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Martin Sellner - Europe Wakes Up: A Call to Defend Freedom

Martin Sellner, co-founder of Generation Identity, joins Hearts of Oak to discuss the patriotic youth movement's formation in Europe.He emphasizes nonviolent activism to counter mass migration and preserve national identity, despite challenges like bans and media demonization. Martin underscores the importance of cultural preservation and combating negative migration effects while advocating for truth and moral superiority in right-wing movements' arguments. His activism includes writing books and organizing demonstrations against multiculturalism and diversity agendas, highlighting the group's goals and challenges in the face of political and media scrutiny.
Martin Sellner is an Austrian patriotic activist and author and fights for the preservation of his homeland. Actions and theory, truth and resistance, determine Martin's life.  
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Interview recorded  15.7.24
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The Week According To . . . Callum Smiles

We are delighted to be joined by Callum Smiles, 'The Unconventional Journalist' to help us pick through the past seven days news, headlines and talking points from across the web.Callum is a rare breed. A journalist who seeks truth and we always find his commentary refreshing, so we look forward to his thoughts on tonight's topics, including...- Bat-Shit Bonkers Britain: Couple fined £1.2K by council for clearing up rubbish in street- Minister of State for Gaza- Swear on The Bible? Our MP’s don’t even speak English anymore- History Erased: Another church in France up in flames- The new Labour government: "There's not a huge amount of money" But "£3 billion a year to Ukraine for as long as it takes."- Moscow issues warning to new Prime Minister Sir Keith Starmer, saying there would be a response if the UK allowed Ukraine to strike Russia with British weapons- Virus with 50% mortality rate takes 'dangerous' step towards spreading in humans simply by breathing- PM Keith Starmer could let out 40,000 inmates early to ease prisons crisis
Callum Smiles Media is an independent media outlet with only one agenda: The Truth.Having started a career in acting, Callum gave acting up during the draconian “COVID” era of ever expanding government and the tightening of the leash on the lives of the general public to focus on more important matters, finding the truth.Callum began to put his head above the parapet by conducting public debates called “Convince Me Otherwise” under Frankly Speaking Politics with Corrie Legge as well as performing comical politiskits to bring people’s attention to important matters through the medium of laughter, for example opening for a live AJ Roberts show with Matt Le Tissier as “Boris Johnson“.This led to being spotted by Rebel News where Callum worked for 9 months as the UK and European reporter, creating unique news packages and documentaries, such as going undercover in migrant hotels and migrants camps as well as the famous walk and talk with Greta Thunberg in Davos 2023.Callum left Rebel News in May 2023 to work independently, creating Callum Smiles Media.
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Recorded 12.7.24
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Links to topics...Couple fined by council https://web.archive.org/web/20240710221731/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/10/couple-fined-stoke-on-trent-council-clearing-up-rubbish/Minister of State for Gazahttps://x.com/LozzaFox/status/1809636477392867523MP’s don’t speak English anymorehttps://x.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1811478381189267513Church in France up in flameshttps://x.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1811361463551856838No money lefthttps://x.com/hector_drummond/status/1811500514472861877Russia vows to retaliate https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13619421/Russia-vows-retaliate-UK-allows-Kyiv-strike-territory-Storm-Shadow-missiles-Starmer-insisted-Ukraine-decide-use-long-range-weapons.htmlVirus with 50% mortality rate https://www.gbnews.com/health/bird-flu-symptoms-pandemic-2024Starmer could let out 40,000 inmates https://web.archive.org/web/20240710233248/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-could-let-out-40000-inmates-early-to-ease-prisons-crisis-r68zq2vfq

Hermann Kelly - Immigration, Sovereignty and Traditional Values with The Irish Freedom Party

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Hermann Kelly, President of the Irish Freedom Party, shares insights on Irish politics and his background. He discusses growing up in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, his journey from theology to journalism to politics, working with Nigel Farage in the European Parliament, and the challenges of the political sphere. Hermann outlines the Irish Freedom Party's principles of national sovereignty, anti-EU influence, pro-life stance, and traditional family values, criticizing mainstream parties on immigration. He emphasizes the importance of controlled borders, work permits, and prioritizing Irish citizens' welfare. Hermann addresses media bias, advocating for social media and grassroots efforts to connect with voters and counter leftist narratives. His vision for the party focuses on restoring national sovereignty, protecting Irish culture, and prioritizing Irish citizens in policy decisions.
Originally from the Bogside in Derry, Hermann’s family have a small farm in Donegal since he was a young. After attending St Columb’s College in Derry, he studied marine biology in Edinburgh before studying theology as a lay student at St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth. First a secondary school teacher he then became a journalist, writing for various national newspapers including the Irish Mail on Sunday and Irish Examiner. He was formerly director of communications for the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group in the European Parliament, and his since come to work with The European Conservatives and Reformists Group. He is a founding member of The Irish Freedom Party and its current president.  
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Interview recorded 10.7.24
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to be joined by someone whose name I have seen a lot back in my time in my UKIP days, and that's Hermann Kelly. Hermann, thank you so much for your time today.
(Hermann Kelly)
Great. Thank you very much for the invite, Peter. Great to be here.
It's good to have you discuss all things Irish politics. You can obviously follow Herman @HermannKelly on Twitter. And Hermann, journalist, former UKIP's European Media Supremo, head of comms at the EFDD group in the European Parliament, Nigel Farage's press secretary, and all the fun that came back in those times, of course, as president of the Irish Freedom Party, launched in 2018 as a common-sense political party in Ireland, because Ireland lacked those, and we'll get into all of that. But, Hermann, you were born in the bog side. Christmas Day, you were born in the bog side in Derry, London Derry, Stroke City, which which is over there in Northern Ireland. It's known as a very rough area, like the Shanklin Falls, maybe in Belfast. What was it like growing up in an area like the Belfast?
Well, it was only rough when I was growing up. It was a very friendly place, a very safe place, incredibly low crime rate. It was only rough if you were a British soldier.
So there's bullet holes at the side of our house, the front of our house, on the wall opposite our house. There was a high banking behind our house. IRA used it as a shooting spot. And as the British Army jeeps went past the army checkpoint, out the road, they would get shot at. I've seen that many times. But if you were a local, it was incredibly safe, very low crime rate. And it had my followers headmaster of a large primary school in Cregan and Derry just up the hill from ourselves. and that had 75% male unemployment, so it was quite financially poor. But it was very friendly, very safe. And I must say, it was also highest per capita, donations per capita of any city or any town in what was politically the UK. So people were very kind, very generous. I didn't find it rough at all.
It's interesting. Me growing up in Carrickfergus, that was absolutely fine because a lot of police lived there. So actually, it was monoculture, completely Protestant. You found it absolutely fine growing up in somewhere completely Catholic with no police or no army. It's interesting. We both grew up actually fairly safe childhoods. Interesting. But at kind of opposite ends of the scale in terms of that sectarian divide.
Yeah. I suppose for where we were, it was a kind of high trust, low friction society. That's the whole thing about not being a multicultural society of a kind of melting pot or a kind of constant friction of people bumping off each other, metaphorically rather than physically. I mean.
I always remembered very safe and certainly with the neighbours, very good people as neighbours, very, very lucky. And it shows the whole, the importance of common belief, nationality, and how it can lead to a very low-friction, high-trust society, which is easy to live in.
What was it you kind of aspired to growing up? Because you went, you studied theology, you've been in media and journalism and politics. Kind of growing up, what were your thoughts of what the future may be?
Well, obviously you can see with my, let's say, circuitous route of career that I didn't really know what I wanted to be when I was 18.
And I remembered the agony of what I was going to fill in in the UCAS form to go to university right up to the last minute. And I started at optometry and then marine biology and then theology.
I had always a great interest, developed a great interest in philosophy and then from that then theology and but I always had an abiding love interest because I grew up in day during the troubles, oh we always we were brought up with great interest in politics, interest in history in culture and also a great respect for language studied Irish studying English and a bit of French as well but the importance of language and all those things melded together my abiding interest in politics and history and culture and faith etc all those things and then also my respect for language and from that I eventually found my way to become a journalist and then a director of communication so in one way it was very circuitous but then it was when you look back it looked like a very straight path but the interest in politics and a respect for language and literature kind of have always remained with me.
Well so how did you end up working with UKIP with the EFDD group in the European Parliament, was it an interest just in politics European Parliament and then later on you connected with the chaos and the fun that was UKIP or did that come first how did that happen?
Well. I was actually, well, I'd previously been a teacher, I was working in Dublin and I think i became a teacher. I liked this idea of influence, influence on society to make the world a better place. And so it became a teacher then I realized that, well, where's the power to change society? Really? It's concentrated in the press, in the media. So it became a journalist. And then I think by that stage I had
maybe four, five children and someone said to me one time if you can say you're a consultant you can charge twice as much, well journalism in Ireland didn't pay very much so I then was working as a press officer for Libertas in the European election 2009 for deacon gamley who were then a Eurosceptic party pat across Europe and I was so I was then recommended on foot of this by Declan Gamley to Nigel Farage.
But previous to this, I had written an article for economic recovery in Ireland. Ireland needs to leave the euro. And I think Nigel Farage had seen this. It went up on UKIP website because it's unusual for people to advocate that in Ireland. And so he heard my name. And after I was recommended by Declan Gamley, he gave my call I said here let's meet up and I worked for Nigel Farage in Ireland it was the Lisbon 2 campaign of 2010 was it and 2010 and I sorry summer 2009 I worked for three months and after that just in Ireland he said come over work for me he was happy with the briefing he got and says here come over work for me full-time over in Brussels so as Ireland was absolutely going down the tubes and all these journalists were losing their jobs and losing their houses I thought well it's a good opportunity to take a well-paid and steady job, you know for the family.
Definitely. I remember applying to work over there and after 10 months, they finally approved it and it was far too late and I had to produce documentation that didn't exist in the UK. It was just chaos. But I always heard your name, Hermann Kelly, always mentioned, just as I kept hearing Gawain Tyler's name mentioned over in the UK. And it seemed to me these two were the ones that understood, had their finger on the pulse, certainly in terms of medium press.
I must say, I had great fun with UKIP MEPs. Like, I was working for the group, so it would have been probably 47 MEPs, seven different nationalities, I think. EFD group initially was about 42 MEPs, seven different nationalities. But the whole thing is you're meeting new people and people from different countries, different cultures, different experiences of life, pretty well-educated, pretty intelligent people, the whole lot. So it was very stimulating. It was good fun. It was important. I was committed to the work I was doing.
I was philosophically committed to it. So I wanted to do a good job. and you know what you develop good relations with the people I was working with, so a number of the MEPs Nigel Farage, Paul Nuttall later guys like Ray Finch that I was very good friends with these people and also a number of staff Jamie Linsworth, Orly Leloup was chief of staff, you know we also became good friends not just colleagues working together in a political party.
I remember going going for an interview with orally uh back in the days but it was all I guess the thing I found whenever I'd met a lot of the MEPs was they were real people and you kind of come across politicians that are too polished and that's all they've wanted to do the UKIP MEPs that actually lived their lives and then were doing this because they wanted to do something for their country, that's kind of rare these days in politics and that's what I love, that real but also sometimes a little bit of chaos, I mean you must have had some sleepless nights.
Well one previous, Mark Kreutzer, a previous press officer said getting all the UKIP MEPs together.
Was like, what was it, like herding cats, like, Yeah, see, to go against the stream, to go against the crowd or the mob, you have to have a quite individualistic contrarian streak to swim against that tide. So you must have that already to be happy to say to the establishment and the vast majority of the easy, instead of taking the easy path, you're taking the harder path and you're going against the tide. So you must have that contrarian and also quite self-confident streak to be able to do that so yeah it's a strength and a weakness, it's a strength in that people actually believe what they say and say what they believe, but it's difficult get them all in one room and get them all going singing off the same hymn sheet as you might say like you know but some great characters. I remember being here out in the front of the European Parliament here in the beer factory and was with a lot of MEPs and staff and turning around to Jamie Leansworth who was Nigel Farage's secretary at the time or advisor and saying, God, we have some characters here, huh?
That's an understatement. You've got guys like Godfrey Bloom, and Mike Hookham and all these different guys and Stuart Agnew and they're all very strong characters strong personalities but it was great fun as well and like you you get to like these people as well it was never a dull, never a dull moment no never a dull moment and some of the carry on in among the foreign MEPs as well I remember, you you had MEPs from like Greece and Latvia sorry Lithuania etc et cetera, and you meet them and hear, but their histories are very different. Their experiences of life were very different. So to hear them talking about the importance of national sovereignty against a kind of federalist EU state, etc. They all have it for their own reasons and find it in their own experience. But I certainly was very committed to the job. I did my very best. And certainly reaching for the referendum in 2015, we strove very, very hard. We worked very hard to get a referendum and we worked hard then to get a result. So it was very pleasing for me personally and not just professionally but also personally to get to achieve a referendum 2015 and get a result in the Brexit referendum of 2016, so I was my wife always used to give off to me you love your job as an accusation, I said yeah what's wrong with that I do
Yeah it's true it's good to love it, I want to get on the Irish politics but just last thing is is what was it like to be up, you're in the belly of the beast, you're up against the system, you're saying that, actually where we are standing here representing the UK, we are against everything that this institution, this parliament really wants, which is ever closer union, ever closer ties, control.
And we want to be free from that. What was that like? Because no other countries have had a breakaway, exit groups, but actually none of them have achieved anywhere near what UKIP achieved, so what was that like as the major grouping there who actually wanted to get out of there, you would have had a lot of commonality I guess with individual MEPs but maybe not with parties, so there must be tension as well
Oh yeah certainly in the second term with the EFDD group we there was a marriage of convenience we had with the five-star party and that wasn't a marriage made in heaven believe me uh so we were very Eurosceptic believed in national sovereign they wanted to leave the European union and we were sold a bit of a pup that they were kind of anti-establishment kind of Eurosceptic well the leaders were pepe grillo a guy david casaleggio certainly were quite rebellious and Eurosceptic But the MEPs who they voted in, where a lot of them had done Rasmus schemes and stuff like that, they're all very university-educated.
They weren't Euro-sceptic at all. And that was a very difficult time, yes. There was quite a few arguments there. But, you know what? Personally, I would always have different relations with various people, across the political spectrum here in Brussels. I would regard it as bad form to be, disliking people because of their political views. But certainly, politically, Yeah, we were treated pretty abysmally by the institutions of the European Parliament here, who certainly after Brexit were incredibly vindictive and actually went on a witch hunt of MEPs. And I know, for example, that Paul Nuttall, his life was made a nightmare with constant meetings by this finance department with false accusations. And basically the refusal, how they treated some people was just unbelievable.
Like one guy broke his arm. I know, for example, that they refused to pay the medical bills of a number of MEPs, which were 100% genuine, just out of malice. And they said, but you have to pay? That's the rules. Take us to court if you want. It's our court. This is the kind of stuff that would happen. and they refused to pay the staff of some MEPs. Asked why, we're not going to do it. If you want to, take it to court if you want. Remember, we control the court as well. So this was the attitude. So it really showed that centralisation of power in the hands of a small number of unaccountable elite is a very dangerous and stupid idea.
No completely. Right, I want to get on to Irish politics. And everything that you've taught about, I guess, has given you a wide grasp of what is happening across, your wide grasp of that political side and added to your journalism skills and background. So you've got the Irish Freedom Party and Ireland is, as I mentioned earlier, I grew up with Gareth Fitzgerald and Charlie Hockey in the 80s in Ireland. Ireland was a very different place, although it still was Irish. So that was the benefit of it.
Well, that bit's changed.
But, and we'll get into Immigrate, but the Irish Freedom Party, tell us kind of where that came from, the idea and what it stands for.
Because there was no party in Ireland looking for a sovereign, independent Ireland. You had Sinn Féin, who were basically, they were...
They're implementing British rule in Ireland, but also they were happy to advocate Brussels' rule. So they're opposed to UK influence in Ireland, but they were completely happy that the majority of the laws which run in Ireland actually come originally from Brussels by people who we didn't elect and who we can't get rid of. So I believe in nation and nation-state and democratic self-determination. I believe that Irish people are good enough to make their own laws, to decide their own destiny in this world. I'm opposed to subservience to the European Union. The big problem over here in Brussels with the EU itself is what you call qualified majority voting, where Ireland, we're 1% of the EU population. So that means that the votes are voted on, 99% of the votes are done by people who are not Irish, and these laws can be approved and imposed upon us, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it because we have disqualified majority voting in most of the areas. Many people do not realise that in areas of EU competence, EU law is superior to the Irishlaw, Irish Supreme Court, and the Irish Constitution. And that, for me, certainly is not a constitutional or democratic.
Like a constitutional republic. That is a province of Brussels. It's a subservient province of Brussels, and that's not what the people were promised 100 years ago.
So how did the party launch? It's been there since 2018, and I've looked at the Irish political scene from afar, and there wasn't anything which was common sense and seen.
One Taoiseach after another just destroying Ireland.
Yeah, there's this cultural like, it's funny because I was, we're talking about where we're both from, like, so growing up in the Brandywale, in the Lomar Road in Derry during the Troubles, I was brought up for all intents and purposes was a cultural superiority complex, that we were brought up that Irish poetry, Irish dance, Irish games and language and literature was fantastic. It was the best in the world and the world needed plenty of us. Go forth and procreate. We're wonderful, right? It then come down south and the experience is cultural self-loathing, which is very strong among the media class and the political class. And it's, well, where does this come from?
And it wasn't just but this cultural self-loathing is very deep in south of Ireland at the minute at something to which I'm very implacably opposed and now we're trying to change the ship of state around, you know what, Irish culture is good Irish nation it's important what's the only one one we have, that Irish democracy, we must, seek that we are in democratic control of our destiny in this world, not to have laws dictated to us by someone else who we didn't vote for and we can't get rid of. But it's to do with a lot of things as well. Our catch cry is that we want free people in a free country. So it's not just like we want democratic control in Ireland to leave the European Union. And that the government in Dublin is going to dictate our lives, is that personal freedom, personal responsibility are very important. They're vital.
We're standing up for things like the importance of free speech, for the right to not have the state dictate to you what you most put inside your body as a basic human right.
The right to private property, that the state does not control your life,
Even an Irish state doesn't control your life. So standing up for, I would describe these the basic building blocks of a liberal society. Of, as I said, free people in a free country, free speech, right to bodily autonomy, private property, lower government, less government waste, less government spending, lower taxation, the people be able themselves to make the decisions which control their own lives. So we started the party five years ago. We just now have had our first councillor elected in those last local elections. Glenn Moore and Clon Bakken will be running a large slate of candidates in the general election, which is likely to come about in October or November of this year. And I'm myself I ran as a candidate in the Midlands Northwest for the European election there just passed I ended up I got there was a huge huge number of candidates, 27 candidates in total, there were 13 nationalist candidates after Peter Casey the former presidential candidate I got the the highest is the highest vote of any nationalist I ended up with 21,000 votes and 3% of the vote.
Considering there were 13 nationalist candidates in the field, I did very well. And actually, the person who was presented themselves as kind of a little bit conservative, socially conservative, nationalist.
Eurosceptic, what do you call him, Keir Malooly from the Independent Ireland Party. What did they do? They got elected. And the first thing he did was come over to Brussels and join Renew, which is the Federalist fanatic group, with a complete and utter betrayal by the party of all those voters who voted for him. So I only wish he had told the voters before the election that he was going to join the Federalist group in the European Parliament rather than after, because I think my vote would have increased dramatically.
Well, Ireland are getting some of the policies, but Ireland seems to have been slow to move away from that. You had Fianna Gael, Fianna Fáil, you've always had them with a dose of Labour in there. Then obviously you've had the rise of Sinn Féin.
But Ireland seems to have been slow to move away from that group of parties. And Sinn Féin have been around a long time as well. They're not a new party. Tell me what that's like in moving to new parties and getting the message out. It's a tough sell, actually, putting something new out in the Irish political sphere and getting the message out in the media.
Absolutely, because historically, I was very slow to support new parties. Most of the successful political parties are split off from actually Sinn Féin from 1905 and onwards. We have Sinn Féin then split into Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael and then Plan the Public. I believe all the parties are a break off of Sinn Féin bar the Green Party, if that is correct. And Sinn Féin well for example but even Fianna Fáil used to be Fianna Fáil, the Republican Party, they believed in National Democratic since they pushed to join the Common Market in 1973 and then it was still Sinn Féin policy to leave the Common Market or the European Community, whatever you called it, certainly up until the late 80s so we're basically....
Look, the Proclamation of Independence in 1916 talked about the Irish people having the right, and even says, also in the Irish Constitution of 1937, about the sovereignty and independence of Ireland should be protected for the good of the Irish nation. And that's what we're seeking for. All we're looking to do is to be a normal, self-governing country where we make our own laws for the benefit of the Irish people. That's all. We're not looking for anything new, crazy, or fandangled thing. But Sinn Féin have changed dramatically. They're now a European Unionist party. I call them a Euro-Loyalist party. I'm sure they hate it, but I love it. You know the reasons why. Oh yeah, I call Sinn Féin immigration party. It does make me laugh that they hate it as well. The Sinn Féin immigration party is Brits out everybody else in. Drives them mad.
I saw in your Wikipedia entry you'd used the term abort and import, which I also loved as well.
I say the Sinn Féin immigration policy is Brits out to everybody else, and the Fine Gael immigration policy is abort and import. And it actually works perfectly in all the romance languages, French and Spanish Spanish, et cetera. It all works perfectly in those, because I was telling someone over here at dinner one evening, I said, oh, that's really good in French too. That's fantastic. I always use as few words as possible to pack as much power into as little space as possible. That's my job as a press officer, was always to take complex ideas and crunch them down or boil them down into some in as few words as possible with as much power and impact, both political and emotional impact on people as it can. So that's a typical few examples of Hermanism, so to speak, like to boil down complex ideas. The simple language, because my job as press officer was always to get words or formula words that people understand, they can easily understand, easily remember.
I always scratch my head looking at Ireland originally used to be one of the strongest Catholic countries, most staunchly Christian Catholic countries in Europe. And yet you've had their political representatives have not gone along with any Catholic belief. You look at Sinn Féin, you look at the North SDLP, everything about them has been more the self-hatred woke agenda and nothing about what actually the church would teach. And I often wonder if I was going to mass each Sunday, actually politically, who would I vote for? Where Northern Ireland, the DUP, who generally were socially conservative. And for the Catholic side, there was no one socially conservative ever to vote for.
Absolutely. Well, certainly, yeah, in the last 20 years, you had to, I think a large part of it was self-inflicted by Vatican II about the self-loathing that anything came before 1965 was bad, was supposed to be forgotten, to be rejected. And that the new year zero, so to speak, the second Vatican Council ended, I think, 1968 or 69, that everything after that was okay. And it's all Libby-friendly.
That was great. great, but no, in the Irish context, even up in the North, which was normally more conservative, people were more, let's say, conscious and proud of being Christian and being Catholic, part of their identity, national identity, religious identity. Down south, completely the opposite, where people that, because the power of the media, that you had Sinn Féin, the Workers' Party in the 70s and 80s, a very...
They started off as nationalists that became internationalists and then became very a Marxist party, basically very anti-Christian and I believe that had a very, the leader's effect on the culture of Ireland because there were so many of them got into the media and had a big big impact, but ourselves, we are happy and proud to, when we are not a kind of confessional party, you don't have to be a Catholic to join the Irish Freedom Party. But we've made it very clear from day one that we are a pro-life party and we are pro-family, that we believe we want to protect and augment the foundations of civilisation. So where cultural Marxism wants to destroy the nation state.
National sovereignty, the nation state wants to destroy the family, even down to the distinctions of male and female. We want to counteract that. So we were against this trans ideology. We'll stand up for the distinction and common complementarity of man and a woman. We approve family. We want to encourage people to have children, to educate their children in their culture. It is then with education develops culture and a civilization. And we believe that we also believe in the nation state and in national democracy. So like, but all this stuff about.
It's very hard to have a functioning successful civilization where the family is not at the centre of it and faith is a very important, Christian faith you acknowledge not only acknowledge Christian faith as a historical origin but also as a living thing in Ireland. And I must say that compared to the Libby Dibbies in Ireland, you'll find that a large swathe of nationalists, they're not practicing Catholics and Christians, they're certainly culturally so.
And they're very proud of that. Because when they look around and they see that here we have, They have 10,000 abortions, 10,000 Irish children being killed in the womb last year in Ireland. Our birth rate is now 1.5, just over 1.5 children per woman. A few generations of that, the population of Ireland shrinks to filial.
So we are in favour of liberty and of life. So we would like to encourage people to get married, to have children, to start a family. So we advocate as a pro-natalist, pro-family party, but also advocate policies like we have already. And they've successfully implemented in Hungary to adjust the tax system to help young couples to have kids. And that, for example, if a couple have three or four children, that they don't pay tax and that they don't encourage young couples to have children because no country has a future without children.
And that's a basic fact because demographics is destiny. That is a universal truth all across the world and every time in every culture. So we want to encourage the people to have children and also then provide the basics all of them. So I was talking last night on a space and I was talking about the importance of, we are not looking for we're just looking for the ability for people to grow up in a safe environment, and then when they leave school that they have the ability to get a job.
Find someone who's only got married to be able to buy a house because at the minute, because of mass immigration, high house prices, young people cannot buy a house and they're all emigrating. A massive problem in Ireland isn't just immigration into Ireland, it's also emigration. We are importing a huge number of people into Ireland. We don't know who, in many cases, we don't know who they are, where they're from, do they have a criminal record. That is detrimental to the security of our country because it leads to an increased crime rate, et cetera. At the same time, because our young people cannot, in many cases, find an apartment to rent, certainly not a house to buy, which they cannot afford anyway. So what are they doing? They're emigrating to Australia and Canada. And that's.
Well that's the definition of a failed state isn't it, where you can even provide a job in a house for young people and they're emigrating so that is a failed state, so we as people actually are pretty upset how the country that they love being destroyed before their eyes and, but we will instead of personal darkness we would like to put out a light and do something about it, soI said, we're putting out candidates in the general election. We will keep on standing. Nigel Farage, he just got elected there during the week. It was his eighth time of standing for the Houses of Parliament. And I've only stood twice in the European election. That'd be my first time standing as a TD seat. So we're in the infancy of the Irish Freedom Party. But I am certain that in the years ahead, we will have a large impact. And we're already having an impact. because you saw there in that European election, Sinn Féin did very poorly.
Their vote fell, now last October, their vote in the polls was 35%. It's now 18%. And in the European election, their vote fell by 12.5%. A general nationalist sway was 12.5%. So that vote, I would suspect, or I would argue, went from Sinn Féin to a smog spore of nationalist candidates. It was like a plunder boss into a mattress and that vote went everywhere to so many different national candidates, 3,000 here, 3,500 there, maybe 21,000 people like me, but that the.
That Sinn Féin vote did not go to Fine Gael. It went to generalist nationalist candidates.
So we're having an impact on the narrative, on the discussion of the EU migration pact, on the anti-free speech laws that they're trying to introduce in Ireland, about the whole thing about housing availability, etc. We're having an impact on the political discussion in Ireland already. Ready and I would hope and expect that that increases in the years going forward.
I want to pick an immigration but let me just touch on the family, because when you look at Hungary and their pro-family and pro-life policies and there are parties you look at Italy and Greece and there are it's a pro-family nation still pro-family culture and a pro-life generally. But many parties, I know Reform will maybe talk a bit about pro-family, but pro-life, you know, that's up to the individual. But I can't imagine kids growing up thinking, you know, when I get older, someday I'd love to have an abortion.
It shouldn't be the main option. There has to be a range of options of adoption, of other ideas. And it seems as though especially young girls are pushed down this avenue and this is the only option and I mean I got a lot of respect for you as a party, not only being pro-family but actually pro-life because that's a completely common sense response to what we are facing.
Yeah well I was actually attended the rally for life, on in Dublin there on Saturday there's a very big crowd at it and there was a number of members and candidates for the Irish freedom party were there the Irish freedom party banner and the a number of national flags as well to show that we're proud to stand up for life and so well sure, how can you talk about human rights when you don't If you do not defend the right to life, if you don't defend the right to exist.
How can you talk about the right to free speech, the right to private property, the right to this and that? It's a nonsense. And on the counter to that, if you accept that you can wipe out and destroy and butcher innocent human life, if you accept that principle, well, the next thing you're then on to logical consequence of accepting that principle. Is you're then you extended over time and you're then in favor of euthanasia of old people and then your euthanasia of people who are physically handicapped in some way or then people who are depressed and then you're straight on the 100% healthy people who there's nothing wrong with them and then you're straight on to murder, murder of innocent people who have I've never done anything wrong, and there's nothing wrong with them. So it's philosophically to accept the principle that it's okay to destroy human life. I will never accept it.
Because you're on the slippery slope of a culture which advocates killing. Killing of its young, it's innocent. Then it's then killing old people, then sick people, and then healthy people. And that is that this two cities as Saint Augustine might say and the culture of life and the cultural death are extremely different and the consequences of a slight change in principle, like it's like coming up to a roundabout in a car and you're going around and you take one direction and as you follow out along that road that you've taken you can go in a very you end up in a very different destination if you take another turn off and you follow that path, for a number of miles. So be very careful. So that's why we've been very clear from day one that this is a pro-life party and we're also pro-family and we support a cultural life, not a culture of death.
I want to finish on immigration because it's very strange for Ireland because Ireland have so much influence worldwide and the Irish culture is known throughout, probably because of the potato famine, because of that mass migration that's meant there is Irishness everywhere, certainly in the US and you travel all over Europe and wider and you'll certainly find Irish pubs, people flock to that. That desire and likability and connection and respect for Irish culture and intrigue, all of that, that kind of seemed to be disappearing. I'm surprised the mass immigration, but the change that's brought to Ireland, considering Irishness is known, despite Ireland being a tiny country, its impact culturally is very wide all over the world. But yet successive governments have allowed absolute mass immigration on a scale I don't think anyone else has seen in Europe for such a country that size. How has that affected voters and the public? Because if you keep voting the same way, you're just going to get the same change in Ireland and decimation of Irishness.
All the main parties in Ireland, Fianna Fáil, Fianna Gael, Sinn Féin, Labour Party, all the left are all in favour of what pretty much amounts to open borders, mass immigration. Now the consequences of that at the moment is that the Irish population since 1995 has gone up by over 1.5 million people, gone from 3.5 to 5.3 million people. That's a 42% percent increase in a very short period of time. And Ireland actually is the fastest increasing we see in Europe.
In the Western world, actually, Ireland has the fastest increase of population through immigration of any country in the world, bar none.
So what is happening, I would describe it as the new colonization of Ireland, because the numbers coming in here is so large.
Like when we started off the party five years ago, I believe 12% of the population were non-national. It's now 22%. So there's been a 10% increase in the non-national part of our population within five years. That's immense. And actually, Grip Media did an analysis of the rate of influx of immigration into Ireland. And they worked out that if the current rate continues, what has happened over the last five years, As that continues, Irish people will be a minority in their own country by the year 2050.
And I don't know about you, but I certainly wasn't asked about that. I didn't give my consent. So we describe what's happened now as the colonization without consent. And all we're looking for is to be a normal country, which has borders, which controls for the good of its people, the numbers of people and the qualifications of the people who are coming in, that they make sure that one, do we need to and two, if you want to come in you have got to contribute to our society and so for example you've got skills that you can that you can contribute and you're not a kind of tax, like don't be coming in here looking for free housing, free welfare, free medical care, like you come in, you work you support yourself and when
[I very much believe in the work permit system. You come in, you work, you pay tax. And after that, after picking up, working, being paid, getting experience, having a good time, you then go back to your country of origin or go on to the next country, wherever you like. But I believe that because taking in large numbers of unvetted males into the country makes Ireland a less secure place. And like, for example, in 2022, there were 12 women were murdered in Ireland. Five of those were murdered by non-nationals. So there's been a swathe of increase in rapes and sexual assault in Ireland, as has happened all across Europe, be it in Germany, be it in Italy, be it in Sweden and France. So we should stop being naive and thinking that, oh, but it will never happen in Ireland because everybody loves us. They may do, but the consequences of mass unvetted immigration into Ireland are not very positive for Ireland at the minute. So all we're looking for is to be a normal country which controls its borders for the good of its own people. Because we want our young people, as I said earlier, to be able to get a job, be able to find a house and live in a secure area without any fear.
And that's what people see, the destruction of their country, the mass immigration, and of course the destruction of the family. How do you, I mean, someone who understands the media so well, how do you get your message out? You've got a block on the mainstream media. Is it looking for alternative media, going directly to individuals, to the voters? How do you kind of get around that block which exists in Ireland to stop your message of common sense getting out?
Well, you're completely true. The mainstream media, and when I say mainstream, it's funny because in regards, for example, that issue of are people in favour of mass immigration, 75% of people in Ireland are completely opposed to more migration. They believe Ireland has more than had enough. So that is the mainstream position. It's the extreme leftist position of open borders. They are the extremists. They are the minority. But the thing is, these leftists do control the media.
And so we find it very difficult if not impossible to get anything positive out in the Irish media, so we're using social media at the minute and during the European elections was a good boost because the local papers had to talk about us, talk to our candidates, the write-ups of the candidates was almost universally positive on local radio, there were debates, so we got the name and the candidates of the party out there in open debate. We were discussing our policies in a fair environment for the first time, but the national media blocked us completely. So basically, we're pretty much using social media and also boots on the ground to get out meeting people, canvassing is very, very important.
Well, Hermann, I really do appreciate your time. Hermann Kelly, President of the Irish Freedom Party, bringing common sense and an option to the voters that traditionally up to now really have not had any. So Hermann, thank you so much for joining us and giving us an overview, not only of Irish Freedom Party, but the difficulty and issues you're facing there in Ireland.
Thank you very much, Peter.

Bastien Frimas - French Election Special

In this special episode, we explore the nuances of French politics with expert Bastien Frimas, diving into the rise of Marine Le Pen and the challenges faced by right-wing parties like Rassemblement National (National Rally). We discuss the recent French general election, analysing strategic alliances formed to counter right-wing coalitions. We also examined potential coalition scenarios post-election and speculated on leadership changes within the French political landscape. Additionally, insights were shared on European political dynamics, including the formation of new alliances like Viktor Orban's Patriots for Europe and collaboration among right-wing factions on common policy objectives. Throughout this podcast, Bastien offers in-depth analysis on evolving political landscapes, coalition-building, and the impact of shifting ideologies on governance in Europe
Bastien Frimas is French of Norman descent and father of two. He has been active in politics for more than a decade and working for 8 years in the European Parliament, where he currently is assistant of Nicolas Bay, member of the European Conservatives and Reformists group together with Marion Maréchal.
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Interview recorded  8.7.24
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Dr Andy Wakefield - Protocol 7: Four Decades of Vaccine Controversy

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Dr. Andy Wakefield joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his transition from mainstream physician to medical industry whistle-blower, sharing with us his findings on the MMR vaccine's link to autism. He talks about facing backlash, making films like "Vaxxed" and the recently released "Protocol 7" to address vaccine safety and pharmaceutical fraud. Despite challenges like losing his license, Andy stresses the importance of revealing the truth to the public. He highlights the profit-driven pharmaceutical industry's negligence towards patient safety, legal protections shielding companies from vaccine injury liability, and the need for public involvement in spreading awareness and demanding accountability. 
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Andy Wakefield has been likened to the Dreyfus of his generation -- a doctor falsely accused of scientific and medical misconduct, whose discoveries opened up entirely new perceptions of childhood autism, the gut-brain link, and vaccine safety. As an ‘insider,' the price for his discoveries and his refusal to walk away from the issues they raised, was swift and brutal, with loss of job, career, reputation, honours, colleagues, and country. And yet he enjoys a huge and growing support from around the world.Wakefield’s stance made him a trusted place for whistle-blowers -- from government and industry to confess and ‘download.' He has extraordinary stories to share. Wakefield is now an award-winning filmmaker. Despite elaborate attempts at censorship, his documentary VAXXED: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe – the revelations of a vaccine scientist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention- changed the public mindset on the truth about vaccine safety. Wakefield’s is a story that starts with professional trust in the instincts of mothers, choice and consequences, a quest for truth, and perseverance against overwhelming odds.Andy has long pursued the scientific link between childhood vaccines, intestinal inflammation, & neurological injury in children.  Dr. Wakefield is the co-founder of the Autism Media Channel & the founder of 7th Chakra Films.  He is the director of his first major narrative feature, the recently released #Protocol7, co-written with Terry Rossio (Aladdin, Shrek, Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and Furious, Godzilla vs. King Kong).
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(Hearts of Oak)
I am delighted to have Dr. Andrew Wakefield with us today. Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today.
(Dr Andy Wakefield)
Peter, my pleasure.
Great to be here.
Great to have you. And your name will be well known, certainly to many Brits. And I live through what you faced just as a Brit consuming news. And we'll get into all of that. People can follow you @DrAndyWakefield on Twitter. And we're going to talk about your latest film, Protocol7.Movie. All the links will be in the description. So we will get to that. But I encourage people to not only look at your Twitter feed, but also look at the website for the film, which is literally just out. But you're the award-winning filmmaker of Vaxxed and many other films. And of course, the latest one just came out. Doctor, if I can bring us back a little bit, because you had a certain time where your name was massively out there and that was simply asking questions. I think a lot of us have woken up to maybe big pharma, have woken up to vaccines and their role over the last four years. And you were much earlier than many people in the public. But that Lancet MMR autism, and I think your Wikipedia probably says fraud more than any other Wikipedia I've ever read.
But you talked about that link between MMR, mumps, measles and rubella vaccine and autism. Maybe you could just go back and let us know your background, your medical background, and then what led up to you putting that out and maybe give us an insight into the chaos that ensued?
Certainly, Peter.
I was an entirely mainstream physician.
I graduated at St. Mary's Hospital in London, part of the University of London, one of six generations of doctors in my family to have graduated there.
And I ran a research team in gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital in North London and our principal interests were Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis inflammatory bowel disease, and in 1995 parents started contacting me and saying my child was perfectly fine they had an MMR vaccine in many cases and they regressed rapidly into autism, had seizures, lost speech, and language interaction with their siblings.
And ultimately they were diagnosed with autism, well I know I knew nothing about autism.
It was so rare when I was at medical school we weren't taught about it and I said you must have got the wrong number,.
They said the reason we're contacting you is my child has intractable bowel problems, failure to thrive, they're in pain, I know they're in pain even though they've lost the ability to communicate.
And the doctors and nurses that I've spoken to about this have said that's just part of autism, get over it, put them in a home, move on have another child.
It's an extraordinary situation and so we investigated these children I put together a very eminent team of physicians.
Who investigated these children and confirmed that the parents were right the children had I had an inflammatory bowel disease, and that's now been confirmed in multiple studies worldwide.
When we treated that bowel disease, then not only did the gastrointestinal symptoms improve, but the autism improved.
We didn't cure it, but the children, for example, started using words they hadn't used for five years.
It was quite extraordinary.
And so as academics, we said that didn't happen, and we did it 183 times, and it happened pretty much every time.
So, we then began to believe that there was something really very, very interesting.
So, when the parents said my child regressed after a vaccine, we had a professional and moral obligation to take that very seriously.
But that really flew in the face of government policy and pharmaceutical industry profiteering. And that was really the beginning of the end of my career.
The dean, Harry Zuckerman, took me aside and said, if you continue this vaccine safety research, it will not be good for your career.
In that, at least he was correct. And when you offend government policymaking and the bottom line for the pharmaceutical industry, really, there's no price you will not pay.
And people are now familiar with that. In the context of COVID, it's happened to many, many eminent doctors and scientists.
But at the time, this was was a novelty, the cancel culture was a novelty, the ability of the system to destroy your career if you stepped out of line was something really quite new.
And...
So, I moved to America, set up a centre there for here in Austin, Texas for autism.
They eventually destroyed my career there.
And so I thought, well, how can I continue to help this population?
And I'd been fascinated by filmmaking for a long time, screenwriting for a long time.
And what had happened, Peter, is that over the years, because of the position I'd taken, And people had come to me from the Department of Health in the UK or from regulatory agencies such as the CDC in the US or the industry, the vaccine manufacturers, and said, we've done a terrible thing.
Here is the evidence. We've committed fraud. And so I became a repository, if you like, for whistle-blowers.
And this story, the latest story, Protocol 7, I mean, my films have been made about these whistle-blowers, some of them.
And the latest story, Protocol 7, is one such whistle-blower, who came to me many years ago and presented to me the compelling story that ultimately we've turned into a major narrative feature film.
Well, we'll get into that, but the role of media, I mean, you had BBC Channel 4 with hit pieces against you and I'm sure many others.
What was that like?
Because you said you were kind of mainstream.
I remember that time as well, whenever I was mainstream, probably six years ago.
So, it was a little bit later due.
And you believe these institutions are positive.
They're about actually reporting the news.
And then you realize, actually, they're not.
What was that like whenever you had all these media outlets suddenly make you a target of their reporting?
Well, I think it really, part of it was Rupert Murdoch, his son, James Murdoch, was put onto the board of GlaxoSmithKline, Europe's biggest manufacturer of MMR, with the objective as a non-executive director of protecting that company's interests in the media, certainly the Murdoch media.
And his target was me and they came after me in the biggest way and in the wake of that you know channel 4 as you say and others followed suit.
It was very tricky. It was very difficult, because you didn't get to put the other side of it everything was heavily edited and it was just a relentless attack they were determined utterly determined that I committed fraud never committed scientific fraud in my life.
But you can destroy the career of a physician or scientist in five minutes, literally five minutes.
All you need is the headline and that's it.
And then you spend the rest of your life trying to.
Get back your reputation if ever.
And I abandoned that idea because it was, the issue wasn't about me.
It was about something far more important.
And as soon as I, you know, I stopped worrying about what the media might say about me and simply got on with the job of doing what I could to help these children, then a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders.
I just didn't worry about that anymore.
Say what they like.
I've got a job to do while I still have time on this planet.
And that was to advocate on behalf of these children and try and move the needle on the real pandemic, which is of childhood neurodevelopmental disorders.
I mean, it's in the media in the UK every day.
We're talking about one in just over 20 children in Northern Ireland, in Scotland, in the UK.
And this is an extraordinary level of a permanent serious neurological condition.
When I was at medical school, it was one in 10,000.
So what has happened?
Just to bring your listeners up to date, your viewers up to date. The CDC performed a study at my behest.
I told them, I said, look, I think that age of exposure is a major factor.
The younger you are when you get the MMR, the greater the risk.
It's not simply you get the MMR, you get autism.
That's not it.
There's got to be a co-factor associated with it.
And age of exposure is one, I believe.
Now, everybody is now familiar that the outcome from a viral infection, for example, COVID, is age-related.
The older you are with COVID, the greater the risk.
So everybody gets that now.
And I said this to them.
I said, I think that younger of age, your exposure is a major risk.
Why?
Because with natural measles, if you get it under one, you're at greater risk of a severe outcome than you are if you're over one.
There is an age-related risk.
So, they went away, they tested that hypothesis, and they confirmed that it was absolutely true.
And they spent the next 14 years covering up, destroying the data, destroying the documents and changing the results to say that MMR vaccine was safe.
And it was only when William Thompson, the senior scientist at the CDC who had designed the study, collected the data and analysed the data, had written the paper, came to me, came to a colleague of mine who came to me and said, we have done this terrible thing.
I can no longer live with it.
Here is the truth.
And that was the basis of the film Vaxxed. And it wasn't my opinion.
It wasn't my producer's opinion.
This was the senior scientist from the CDC responsible for the study confessing to this fraud.
What happened?
Nothing. No one was held accountable.
Absolutely appalling.
These people, these five scientists at the CDC and their superiors had. Committed fraud and put millions of children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease and done so wilfully, knowing that there was a risk.
And so I was appalled. And beyond that, I thought my filmmaking is going to expose people.
It's going to actually hold people accountable for what they've done.
Your study was, it was a small study, wasn't it?
I think it was what like a dozen or 16.
You're simply saying there does seem to be a link and it's surprising it could have been surprised, one time it should have been surprising, that actually a doctor who raises a concern that should surely be looked at and checked over instead of attacking but it wasn't a massive.
You were simply saying these this is the pattern that I'm seeing in the small number of patients that I'm looking at in this study.
That's absolutely right.
The way in which human disease syndromes are described is usually in a handful of patients who present with...
It's such a consistent pattern of signs and symptoms of clinical measures that they merit reporting in their own right.
And that's exactly what this was.
It couldn't test any hypothesis.
It couldn't come to any conclusions other than more research was needed.
It actually said this study does not confirm an association between the vaccine.
It doesn't.
It couldn't do.
It is merely reporting the parent's story.
And it was a very sober paper.
But of course, the media blew it up to claim that I had said MMR vaccine causes autism.
No, I didn't.
However, I would say that now in light of the CDC study, I would most certainly.
And it's their behaviour.
It's their need to commit the fraud and hide the data that is the most compelling evidence that there is this clear link.
They know there's a link, and rather than do something responsible about it they have put the children at continued risk.
In fact they've expanded the vaccine program dramatically, so they've put even more children at risk in my opinion.
No, completely and where many of us maybe may not have been anti-vaxxers five years ago we sure as hell are now so it's changed completely, but can I just ask you; you were up against the UK General Medical Council.
They're the ones that allow you to practice.
They're a judge and jury. It was like a few years investigation.
Then in 2010, they decided that you were no longer acceptable.
They struck you off.
Tell us about that, because I've talked to doctors recently during the COVID chaos who have fought for their right to continue to practice as doctors and they've struggled. You were doing this 14 years ago.
What was that experience at the General Medical Council?
It was difficult.
It was really difficult because there needn't have been a hearing.
They'd made up their minds before we even walked through the door.
The General Medical Council were under threat from the government of having their powers taken away and the government dictating policy such as right to practice and medical sort of ethics.
And they therefore were under scrutiny from the government.
They had to deliver on a decision, and they did.
Now, the reason I can say that is that their decision was contrived and indeed made up their minds before they even come to the hearing is that when it came for the first time before a proper judiciary, before the UK's sort of senior courts, if you like.
The judge was appalled by the GMC's behaviour.
He said, and this is in the trial of John Walker Smith, my colleague's appeal against the decision to strike him off, he said, this must never happen again.
It was really a political tool to destroy dissent.
Now, I appealed as well as John Walker Smith, but I was told by my lawyers that it would cost me half a million pounds to pursue that appeal.
I didn't have half a million pounds.
I didn't have anything.
So, the law belongs to those who can afford it.
And that's a fact, whether you live in America or whether you live in the UK.
Justice belongs to those who can pay for it.
And so there was no opportunity for me to have my case heard on its merits it was simply thrown out.
What we did do though when Brian Dear a journalist published in the British medical journal now claiming that I had committed fraud which is absolute nonsense.
We sought to sue him and the British Medical Journal in the state of Texas.
Now, that's where I lived.
That's where my reputation was damaged.
And that's where there was legal precedent that allowed us to sue them.
Because the BMJ is a journal, sells its wares, its journal, to Texas medical schools.
It profits from Texas medical schools.
And there is a long-arm statute in Texas that allows us to sue them for defamation.
Why would you, it costs about $3 million to sue someone for defamation.
Why would you even think of doing that in a situation where all of the evidence is going to be laid bare for the public to scrutinize?
Why would you do that if you committed fraud?
You wouldn't do it.
There was no fraud and therefore we had an extremely strong case and they knew it.
They absolutely knew it and and they did everything they could to get out of it.
Ultimately, the judge, the appeal court judges here ruled that we did not have jurisdiction.
That went in the face of all of the legal precedent.
We did not have jurisdiction. Indeed, the BMJ lawyers invoked Texas law in an attack on us.
I mean, it was extraordinary that we weren't allowed to sue them here in Texas.
This was a political decision from the highest level.
They did not want this case to go forward.
They They knew we were going to prevail, we were going to win, and that would have undermined their entire sort of years and years and years attacking me and others for suggesting that MMR vaccine might not be safe.
And so we were denied the opportunity to have the case heard on its merits, and that's where it remains.
Tell us about Vaxxed in 2016 from cover-up to catastrophe.
And that talks about the CDC and others destroying evidence to show that there could be a link between MMR and autism.
That's something which I think many of us over the last four years would probably accept that sounds plausible, definitely that makes sense, because of what we've seen with big pharma and the collusion with media and governments.
But this, you put this out prior to that happening probably in a world where maybe people may not accept that as much because there was more were trusting institutions.
But tell us about that film and the authorities wanting to destroy any evidence which would show there was a link.
Yes, that was a fascinating film because, as I say, it was an insider from the CDC who was intimately involved in the study that looked at age of exposure to MMR and autism.
And it clearly showed that the younger you were when when you've got the vaccine, the greater the risk of autism.
And that was in...
All children, boys in particular, and black boys above all.
For some reason, black children seem to be highly susceptible to this adverse vaccine reaction.
Now, we don't know the reason for that.
Further follow-up studies should have been done.
Now, when the CDC found this association, they had some clear options that would have been there available to them in the interests of the the American public.
They could have said, right, we can delay.
Let's suggest delaying this vaccine until it's safer.
And we have done a bigger, better study to confirm it or refute it.
That's what they should have done, to give parents the information, to give them the option.
But they didn't.
They trashed all of the documents.
They trashed the data.
They altered the results.
And they, for 14 years deceived the public, doctors, the government, everybody, and so it was a very powerful story and we made the documentary it got into the Tribeca film festival which for us was one of the sort of preeminent film festivals and then it was withdrawn, it was censored.
And I think that occurred because one of the sponsors of the film was involved in money management on Wall Street involving the pharmaceutical companies and also perhaps a sponsor of the Tribeca Film Festival.
And so, you know, this is what I hear, whether it's true or not, that remains to be seen.
But we were censored.
This is the first time this had ever happened at Tribeca Film Festival.
And it was a bad few days.
And then De Niro went on the television on the what's called Good Morning America and the Today Show, the big national shows and said, we should never have done that.
We should have played this film, everybody should have seen it and made up their own minds.
And suddenly there was an explosion of interest in this film that people had been banned from seeing.
And every attempt by the media to cover it up or De Niro's partner, Jane Rosenthal, to shut him down during interviews failed.
He was very angry, very angry. And it had the impact of spreading the news of this film worldwide.
And so what we saw at that point, which should have pre-empted COVID, was a major shift in people's perception.
They came to the movie theatre, they watched the movie, and they said, wow.
There is something, there's a problem here.
And then, of course, we had the COVID experience and the extraordinary mishandling and misconduct and lies and deception, about the disease, its origins, and the vaccines, so-called vaccine.
And public trust in the public health authorities has never been at such a low.
And it will never recover and the point peter is this is that they only have themselves to blame.
That is the truth.
It's no good then coming after me, or after you, or people who bring them the message or come from the clinic and saying this is what I see in these children.
They only have themselves to blame for their arrogance and their stupidity.
Now, 2016 it was about that specific link MMR and autism 2019 you widened it in vax 2and to look at actually side effects, vaccine harms, across a range.
And certainly the issue does not seem to just be one vaccine, there seems to be a range and we've seen that, and I know any parent will have had this conversation thought, any parent that actually is aware of conversations happening, and they will maybe have questioned the rush to jab children.
I will touch on the amount of jabs children now get, which is quite concerning, the rise of jabs.
But 2019, yeah, you widen it away from just MMR and concerns of side effects to this seems to be in many vaccinations.
Was that received differently or do you still have the the same uphill struggle.
Now, that film was not mine.
It was made by Brian Burrows and Polly Tommy.
And I was interviewed for that film, but it wasn't my movie.
But what happened, it was based upon a series of interviews. After Vaxxed, we went off across the country, principally Polly Tommy, interviewing thousands of parents about their experience.
And it emerged that other vaccines were involved as well.
And I'd come to this via a different route.
I came over to America to testify before Congress on the vaccine autism issue.
And there I became aware that the mercury in vaccines was a problem.
I wasn't aware of it before, that aluminium in vaccines was a problem.
And so it became clear that it is very likely that it's the actual toxic load that a child is presented with at a very early stage, rather than just being one vaccine or another.
Now, we'll never be able to discern the truth of that.
We know which vaccines are involved, which are more important or less important.
And this comes to a point you've made, is that they have so many vaccines now that how do you even begin to untangle the complexity, the permutations of how was it this vaccine or this one and this one together or these three or these 15?
We just don't know.
And I think there's almost been a deliberate attempt to expand the program without doing the appropriate safety research in order to make it virtually impossible possible to target any specific vaccine.
So, I think that my sort of current thinking on it, and had we been allowed to conclude our research without it being sabotaged, is that it is related to the toxic load.
And there is a study that has literally just come out from Brian Hooker.
Scientist with an affected child, that shows that there is an exponential increase in severe adverse reactions like autism with increasing load of vaccines.
The more you're given at one time, the greater the risk of an adverse reaction.
This dose response effect is very plausible and is very strong evidence of causation. So, the field is highly complex.
I'm quite certain that the sheer volume of vaccines that are given to children is way in excess of being safe.
I mean, way in excess.
And it has never been subjected to any formal clinical trial.
You know, is it safe to give multiple vaccines at the same time?
Hasn't been done.
Well, yeah let me poke, because the issue is supposedly we have had a vaccine that's tested over a 10-year period or whatever and then it's decided safe, but the amount of vaccines that children are given; there is absolutely no way you could do any long-term study on that number of combinations of vaccines.
So, it's completely into the unknown.
It is.
Now and here's the dilemma lemma is that when you take a pharmaceutical agent in the United States, for example.
Then it goes through years, literally sort of 10, 15 years of clinical trials, randomized control clinical trials using a placebo, an inert placebo, before it's deemed to be safe.
And yet with vaccines, that doesn't apply.
They're classified as biologics, and the bar is set very much lower for safety.
And so for the childhood vaccines, there has never been a proper long-term placebo-controlled randomized trial of safety.
And therefore, it is deceptive, entirely deceptive to say that these vaccines are safe.
They're not because they've never been subjected to the appropriate safety studies. And people need to know that.
People need to realize that.
It just has not been done. And it's now, you know, it's too late to close the gate.
The horse has bolted.
The vaccine safety studies are very difficult to do now, certainly prospectively.
Well, one thing I just, before I get into Protocol 7, one thing I realized traveling the States so much over the last couple of years is that you turn on a TV, so different from Britain, and you see an advert for medication and it tells you how wonderful this medication is.
And then half the advert is telling you the possible side effects and usually ends up with death. And you're thinking, that's the last thing I want to have.
But that's a world away, and that's just kind of pushed through and accepted that actually the side effect could be much worse than the disease or the issue that it's trying to address.
And you think, I sit and watch some of those adverts when I'm over in the States and think, how do we get to this situation where death is seemingly better than a headache?
It is bizarre and this direct consumer advertising that happens in America and the other the only other place it happens is New Zealand.
We don't, you know it doesn't happen in the UK, but it it's it's there's something more insidious about it, and that is the fact that the nightly news networks here way in excess of 70% of their income comes from the pharmaceutical industry advertising.
They could not sustain their operation, a news operation, in the absence of that pharmaceutical industry sponsorship.
And so, the industry controls the narrative the industry controls the editorial the headline they're not going to publish something and this happened to me I was interviewing with a girl called Cheryl Ackerson outstanding journalist who was at the the time at CBS.
And she said, Andy, when we have finished editing this sequence about vaccines and autism, I will get a call within, you know, in 15 minutes, I'll get a call from the money men on the top story, a top floor saying, you will not play this segment because our sponsors have said they'll pull their money.
Well, she was wrong.
It was five minutes later. It came five minutes later.
And that's the way they operate, I'm afraid.
So there is, over and above advertising their drugs, there is something far more sinister about the control, the influence that these drug companies have over American mainstream media. Fortunately, in the UK, that direct-to-consumer advertising does not exist.
So I want to jump on, which fits perfectly into Protocol 7, which seems to be about someone, a lawyer, small town, sees issues with Big Pharma, with the industry and wants to challenge.
And it is a David and Goliath, something I guess, as you alluded to, we're all up against with Big Pharma.
But tell us about this film, which is a story about a whistle-blower, but also going up against Big Pharma.
This is based on a true story whistle-blower who came to me many years ago at a meeting in Chicago and revealed this fraud within Merck in respect of its mumps vaccine.
And it's really a story more about the behaviour, how the industry behaves when confronted with a threat to its profiteering and its monopolistic sort of control of a vaccine in a country like America.
And it's against sort of set against the love and devotion the um intuition of a mother who happens to be a lawyer who fights who battles against the power of the industry.
And I'm not going to spoil the end for anyone but I urge people to see this film.
It is it's now won 27 film awards it's only just really come out.
It's got some wonderful reviews.
Very, very high scores on rotten tomatoes and IMDb, so the key to the success of this film is its dissemination is people watching it and we're planning our UK release our European release as well right now So when it comes, please support it.
Please get your friends and family to it.
Merck realized in the 90s that the Mumps vaccine wasn't working and they took, many, many steps to cover that up and to essentially defraud the American public, the medical profession and others.
And that's what the story is about.
And it's based upon documents, actual documents obtained from that company that confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened.
It's important in the context of safety.
And you may say, why is it?
The film really is about, or Merck's fraud, was about the efficacy, the protectiveness of the vaccine.
It wasn't working as well as they said it was working.
And that made it dangerous.
Why?
Because mumps in children is a trivial condition.
That's acknowledged by the CDC.
Mumps in post-pubertal adults is not trivial.
You risk suffering testicular inflammation and sterility or or ovarian inflammation, brain inflammation.
And so a vaccine that doesn't work or only works for a limited amount of time will make you susceptible to mumps again when you're past puberty, when you're in that at-risk period. And so a vaccine that doesn't work makes it a dangerous vaccine.
It makes mumps a more dangerous disease.
And this is a very important thing to understand within the context of mumps.
Merck certainly knew about it and continued to defraud the public despite that.
So yeah, it's a very, very important film over and above the issue of mumps.
It's about how the industry responds to threats that really sort of compromise its ability to earn revenue, make profits, and maintain a monopoly.
Because I think people often forget, and maybe have woken up during the COVID tyranny, that these institutions, they exist to make money for their shareholders.
They don't really exist to make a product which makes you better.
Their primary aim is the share price for shareholders, just like any company.
And if they make a product that actually helps you, then to me, that's a bonus.
Is that too cynical a view of the industry?
No, it's absolutely true.
And they wouldn't deny that.
They would say, we're here as a business to make money.
We're here as a business to serve our shareholders, our stockholders, first and foremost.
That's not ambiguous at all.
They would admit to that.
The problem comes when everything's fine and they're making good drugs and they're benefiting people.
That's fine.
It's how the industry responds when something goes wrong.
And for example, with Merck and Vioxx, the drug that, you know, was notoriously unsafe.
But, you know, they knew at the time of licensing that there were problems. It was causing strokes and heart attacks.
It was estimated, I think, that many hundreds or thousands of people suffered as a consequence of that drug.
In the litigation in Australia, where Merck were, really, their heads were on the block about this.
They uncovered some, in discovery, they uncovered documents which were an exchange between Merck employees about what to do about doctors who criticized their drug.
And they said, we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live.
This is not conspiracy theory.
This is company policy.
There you have these guys saying, we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live.
Okay, so these are the kind of people with whom you're dealing.
Tell us, because we hear that these companies are beyond the legal sphere.
They have protections and safeguards within countries, and it doesn't matter what side effects that the drug causes, they have this legal protection.
I mean, is that the case, or is there a way of actually using the legal system to actually go after these companies?
Or is it a slap on the wrist?
Sometimes they pay out money to different governments and they say: oops
Well there there is and it's interesting the national childhood vaccine injury act in this country in America in 1986 took away liability financial liability from the drug companies for death and injury caused by childhood vaccines on the recommended schedule.
Now, that was a gold mine for the industry because they had mandatory markets.
Kids had effectively to get vaccinated to go to school and no liability.
All they could do was make a profit. But the legal system does work sometimes.
And in the context of COVID and the so-called COVID vaccine.
There's just been a ruling, I think, by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that has said COVID vaccine is not a vaccine.
It doesn't protect against disease and it doesn't stop transmission.
Ergo, it is not a vaccine.
Now, once it's not a vaccine, by ruling of the court, it's not covered by the indemnity.
It's not covered by the government protecting the industry.
Suddenly, they're on their own.
And that really raises some very interesting legal possibilities that is for litigation in this country.
So, we'll see what happens.
But there will be every effort by the government to side with the pharmaceutical industry to prevent them being sued, I'm quite sure, because that's what happened.
But let's hope that the judges see it differently.
I just want to end off on people's response to you because you were maligned, attacked.
The media tried to discredit you.
You then moved to the US. You lost your medical license.
But these films you're putting out, they tell a compelling story.
Tell us about how you feel these films have woken people up, maybe in a way that back whenever this happened to you 25 years ago, the opening was not there for the same ability to win people over.
The opening does seem to be here now, maybe because of COVID, maybe people are more aware, maybe because of alternative media.
But tell us about the message you're putting out in these films and kind of the response you're getting.
Thing well really the films are made in a way that they're entirely up to the protocol seven, these were entirely factual documentary films and so vax for example if there'd been any word of a lie, if we'd got something wrong, we would have we've accused these scientists at the CDC of the worst sort of humanitarian crime.
Their job was to protect these children they did completely the opposite.
The hypocrisy goes way beyond what we've seen before and so if there had been a problem.
We would have been sued to the moon and back again and there wasn't and they why because they know that it's true.
And that's a very powerful thing and the same comes now with protocol 7 even though it's a narrative feature film.
If there was something in that film that was defamatory of Merck, then they would come after us.
They may well do because they're big and rich and powerful, certainly far more powerful than we are.
But that's not a reason. Not to get the story out.
My commitment is, my duty is to the public, not to Merck or to the government or indeed to the whistle-blower, but to the public who are being harmed.
And so never make a decision based in fear.
This is something I've learned over the years.
If the story has merit, if it's honest, if it's true, if it has integrity, then you get it out there and, you know, let the cards fall where they may.
Yeah completely.
I want to ask you about funding, because it's everything costs money.
It is actually, it takes a lot of work not only finance but expertise and research to put anything like this out and you know you're going up against an industry that will attack you in any opening any any chink in your armour.
Was it difficult to actually raise funding to put these films together?
Initially, it was.
You know, this is my fifth film, and initially it was difficult, because people said, well, you're a physician.
You know, what are you doing making films?
Now they say, they're much more inclined to say, you've proven you can do it.
Get on and make the next one.
It's not easy, particularly in the current climate, I mean, Hollywood itself is in the doldrums; filmmaking, but the people still want meaningful films they want films that count films like Sound of Freedom and others that they really mean something that are worth going to the movie theatres to watch.
And so that's the kind of film that we're making and hopefully we'll be able to continue to do it.
I just can ask you about the last last thing about those who want to be part of what's happening, supporting the film as it comes out. I mean, how do they play a part?
They can go, obviously, to the website, protocol7.movie, make sure and follow that, and they can follow your Twitter.
But if they want to say, actually, I believe this message, it's so true, I have friends, family, actually suffering side effects, not only MMR, but across the board, and I want to make sure this message gets out. How can they play a part in doing that?
One thing they can do, I mean, if they're immensely rich, they can fund the next film.
If they're not, then they can help.
People can help by going to the website and clicking on Pay It Forward.
And this is a way of, we saw it with Sound of Freedom.
It was very successful, a way of providing tickets for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a ticket to go and watch the movie, or for people who might not be inclined otherwise to go.
In other words if there if there is an incentive to get a free ticket they may go and then be persuaded.
And so it's a way of helping other people to access the film.
When they might not otherwise be able to or be inclined to do that so pay it forward is a very useful device.
And of course on the website you can pass on the trailer and make sure people watch that and get ready for it.
Please do.
Now, the success of the film comes down to the public.
And that means, you know, your listeners, your viewers.
So, we're very, very grateful for any help in that respect.
And Sound of Freedom did that to a degree we hadn't seen before.
And I encourage the viewers and listeners to do the same for Protocol 7. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, it is an honour to have you on and someone who I read all the stuff. In the late 90s and probably believed a lot of it that uh how times change and it's great to have you on and thank you for what you're doing on getting the message out on the link between the pharmaceutical industry and side effects.
Well thank you so much.
My pleasure thank you for having me on.

The Week According To . . . Betty

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Dr Shea Bradley-Farrell - Last Warning to the West: Hungary’s Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda

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Dr. Shea Bradley-Farrell joins Hearts of Oak to discuss Hungary's triumph over communism and the importance of nationalism in preserving sovereignty.  She draws parallels between Hungary's history and current US events, emphasizing faith's role in preserving societal values. Dr. Shea discusses the conservative gap in foreign policy, her book, "Last Warning to the West," and the significance of faith in upholding principles. She highlights Hungary's resistance against the EU's narrative, praises CPAC Hungary for conservative collaboration, and calls for a revival of faith to counter liberal agendas, stressing unity in upholding fundamental principles. 
'Last Warning to the West: Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda' available in paperback and e-book on Amazon  https://amzn.eu/d/02lNB8Ma
Shea Bradley-Farrell, PhD is President of Counterpoint Institute for Policy, Research, and Education (CIPRE) in Washington, D.C.  Dr. Shea is an expert in foreign policy and aid, national security, international development, and women's issues. She is the author of Last Warning to the West: Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda, published in December 2023. Dr Shea worked directly with the Trump administration, including Sec. Mike Pompeo and Senior Advisor Ivanka Trump, on multiple issues while serving as the VP of International Affairs for Concerned Women for America. Most recently she was professor and subject matter expert for the Defense Security Cooperation University (DSCU) of the U.S. Department of Defense. Dr. Shea possesses an active U.S. security clearance.Dr. Shea publishes Op-eds in outlets such as RealClear Politics, Human Events,  NewsMax,  National Review,   Daily Signal,  The Washington Times, The European Conservative,  Daily Caller, The Hill, Washington Examiner,  the Federalist and many others.  She is a weekly contributor to SiriusXM Patriot Stacy on the Right (Wednesdays 10 p.m.), and a contributor to Victory News TV. She is a regular guest on multiple TV news and radio shows. Dr. Shea presents at conferences all over the world such the Wilson Center for International Scholars, U.S. Department of State, the Foreign Services Institute,  the Heritage Foundation, CPAC Hungary 2022 and 2023, and the Gulf Studies Symposium.Dr. Shea holds a Ph.D. and M.S. from Tulane University, where she was Adjunct Lecturer in the International Development Studies Program in 2015. In 2014, she was Visiting Research Fellow at the Center for Gulf Studies at the American University of Kuwait.  She is a member of the Texas Public Policy Foundation's Border Security Coalition and former Affiliated Faculty and Policy Fellow at George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government. As an international development professional, Dr. Shea has traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America delivering capacity building and training assistance to international partners. She has hands-on experience with project design and management, budgeting, curriculum design and development, recruitment, and grants management. She is well-schooled in USAID programming and policies has worked with a variety of international donors including World Bank, Exxon, FedEx, and Kuwait Foundation for the Advancement of Science.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to have Dr. Shea Bradley-Farrell with us. Shea, thank you so much for your time today.
(Dr Shea Bradley-Farrell)
It's an honor to be with you, Peter. Thanks for having me.
Not at all. Lots to talk about. And of course, your book to start off with. Let me just, actually, let me ask you a little bit about yourself. And then we will bring up the book. And this last warning to the West, all the links are in the description. Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda. because you've got some phenomenal recommendations on the back that I read those and thought, actually, I'll just give the recommendations and then that's enough. That's literally enough. With Tucker, with Lou Dobbs, with Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and Congressman Paul Gosser so much. We will get into that in a couple of minutes.
And don't forget, Kari Lake wrote the foreword.
Trust me, we're getting to Kari Lake. She's not on the back, but she's on the front. We're getting to Kari Lake. I read that and thought, wow.
But we'll get into the book. And the warning that is, I think, to the West, and I've been to Hungary many, many times. But, Shea, firstly, with you, you are, I mean, you're an expert in so many areas. In the foreign policy and aid, international development, you work directly with the Trump administration. You're regularly in the media with video appearances and lots of op-eds. And you've been instrumental, I think, in setting up CPAC Hungary, which is so needed. And of course, you head up Counterpoint Institute for Policy Research and Education. We'll get into all of those. The links are there @drshea__dc is your Twitter handle and counterpointinstitute.org is the website for the work you do. And our US audience, Shea, will know who you are from your many media appearances. Our UK side probably don't. So could I ask you to take a moment and introduce yourself, especially to our UK audience?
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I actually, my background is as an international development professional. You mentioned that and a professor, an academic, traveled throughout the Middle East, Africa.
Some in South America, doing development work, mainly focused on helping women better their businesses, whether it was a very small business of maybe harvesting salt, you know, once waters receded in Africa to a very big multi-million dollar companies because economic development is the best, in my opinion, the best form of foreign aid because then people really learn how to take care of themselves.
And it builds great relationships between our country and other countries. So anyway, when I came to D.C., that's what I was doing. But being here just for a very short time is when I finally figured out that if I did not get myself into this real battle for our freedom, that I was going to eventually lose my country and lose my freedom. So the story kind of goes on from there. But yes, I worked with an organization called Concerned Women for America. It's the largest public policy organization run by women in the US. And I built an international affairs department there. And I worked alongside, as you said, the Trump administration in that position, working with Secretary Pompeo and Ivanka Trump on different issues having to do with economic development and human rights. And it was a great learning place for me and continued with policy. And I decided to start my own organization, Counterpoint Institute, because there are so few conservatives in the foreign policy realm. I only know one other development professional who is a conservative, which is very interesting.
But there was a real hole there in our policy, in our country, in the guidance and leadership of our country. And so I have focused on myself on foreign policy and national security as is my background. And we're doing quite well, Peter. So thanks for having me on again.
We want to get on the book. And at the beginning, your image was mirrored. We're not going to stop it because I know your time is short, Shea. You're in very big demand because of all the work you're and especially the book. And you mentioned Kari Lake did the foreword. Let me bring up... And this is an image of the book, Last Warning to the West, Hungary's Triumph over Communism and the Woke Agenda. As I said, you've got Tucker Carlson on the back. You've got Lou Dobbs, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and Congressman Paul Gosser, all household names recommending what you're putting in as a call, as a warning call to the West on what Hungary has been in over its thousand year history. And, of course, you mentioned Kari Lake has written the foreword.
Maybe you begin the book talking about your trip to Hungary. You were there 2019. You talk about the first time and your experiences.
I was actually, because I worked in Bulgaria for two and a half years, and I actually was in Hungary for the first time in 1998 and many times since. And I shared the experiences you mentioned of driving through the suburbs, seen that communism blocks and think, wow, in Bulgaria, I got that 10 times to that degree. But you've traveled extensively. Why has your heart settled on Hungary?
Well, you know, the Hungarians have a real will to survive and I'm a survivalist also, a survivor. And so I take great pride in that, in them. I think that they've, they're amazing. They became a Christian country over a thousand years ago, and since then they've had the Ottoman Turks in, the Mongols, the Habsburgs, you know, the Nazis occupied them, the Soviet Union, and still they retain their very unique Hungarian identity. I mean, that is even reflected in the fact that no other country in the world, no other people in the world speak Hungarian.
But Hungarians, right? It's very interesting. And I think that they're a real example of holding on to their true nationalism. And nationalism in the purest sense of the word means just pride in your own country. It's a collection of people who come together and agree on the same sort of laws and economic systems and the way we're going to do our society. That's what nationalism is. And it's been perverted, of course, by Nazis, for one.
But the sense of nationalistic pride in its purest form is not a bad thing. It's a good thing because it strengthens a country. And that's a real reflection of what Hungary is and the people. And they have fought for their survival for so long. And I'm sure you know, to reference somebody probably that you know well, Peter, is Sir Roger Scruton, who is well-loved in Hungary. Because during the Soviet occupation, you know, he worked in the underground bringing information and books to people in those Soviet satellites. He was arrested, actually, also during that time. He helped bring networks together of communication. And anyway, I quote him in my book, and I can't remember the quote. Maybe I could pull it around and read it to you. But it pointedly says, you know, this is a big paraphrase, Hungary went through occupation, and then the wall came down after 46 years of the Soviet Union being in there telling them what to do, being that authoritarian power, right?
Well, what he says in this quote is, you know, just because the wall came down, it doesn't make it any less true if the EU is doing the same thing to Hungary. This top-down decision-making, telling them that they must accept this radical gender theory nonsense and teach it to their children, telling them that they must accept mass influx of immigration into their country. They must enter, you know, in their way of thinking, giving money to the Ukraine war to weapons is entering the war. And there are many reasons they don't want to do that. And the EU has sanctioned Hungary for all of those, all of those things, keeping money, billions of dollars away from them because of their sovereignty and what they believe is right for their own country. And we can talk about that and explain it. But the point is, is that the EU has become, you know, what it was never meant to be. It wasn't meant to be a decision making body over the sovereignty of other countries in the EU. And Hungary has fought back against that. And I think that they're a real example to the United States. And that's where the book ended up coming from. Oh, last point. This is what kicked it off. I was over there doing research about the national identity and the survival of the Hungarians, not really knowing where the book was going to go.
And people kept saying to me, Shea, you understand that the rhetoric coming out of the United States reminds us of our Soviet era, right? I mean, what a gut punch. No, really.
And walking that back, and I'd love to talk more about this, but I'm going to shut up and pause for a minute, Peter. But walking that back, you know, for the past hundred years, the Marxism coming out after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communism that the U.S. was fighting in the 50s. Everything is very much parallel to what's going on in the United States today. And so that's why the book became a warning, the last warning to the West, and written specifically for Americans, really, and others from Western nations that are dealing with the same things we are.
Right. There are so many threads to pick up from there. Let me start with, I mean, Hungary should be an insignificant country. It's just got 10 million people, and I love your mug. (Shea shows her British Union Flag drinking mug)
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Mine is a spitfire, so I go…
This was actually not on purpose, but I'm hoping it gets me a few points.
Oh, it does. You don't need any more, trust me. But I mean, Hungary should be insignificant. Small country, 10 million people on the edge of the Balkans in Eastern Europe, yet everyone knows who Victor Orban is. It's taken a position which is much larger than it actually should have. I mean, as an American, how do you see that as actually happened?
You know, and I started the book out talking about that, because who, really, Americans are so isolated. Most of them had no idea where Hungary was, right, or anything about them. And all of a sudden, they're on the world stage. Victor Orban is a friend of Trump. Trump is shaking his hand and inviting him to have meetings. And it's really because of, really the bullying of the EU, I believe, is where it started, because there were so many articles and news stories written that maligned Hungary and these sanctions. And Hungary stood up and fought back. I mean, Orban was part of the movement that pushed the Soviets out of Hungary. He started the Fidesz party back then, before the Soviets ever left. He was actually a youth alliance at that time, a youth party, a party of the youth that was anti-communist. So he is a real fighter and he has a lot of people in his administration who are real fighters and they don't want the woke agenda. They feel like, hey, we just got our freedom back in 1991. Stop telling us what to do. So I think it has a lot to do with the press maligning them and then Trump hugging them, embracing Orbán and looking at Hungary as an ally in this fight against Marxist nonsense.
This woke Marxist cultural nonsense.
And that has increased because our own administration now under the Biden administration.
Our ambassador in Hungary is very antagonistic against Hungary. So I just think their will and their will to do what they believe is right for their own people. And on all three of those issues I mentioned earlier, they've done a citizen referendum. Do you want to be involved in the war? Do you want mass immigration? Do you want radical gender theory in your schools? And the overwhelming majority of people voted no.
So in my way of thinking, that is real sovereignty, respecting the sovereignty of your people, of your country, if the EU would stop this. But the Biden administration continues this antagonizing, I call it, because it truly is. And I think that's had a lot to do with it.
We'll touch on your ambassador and it kind of shows where America currently sits. But you mentioned the EU and Orban's stand, I think, against cultural Marxism and the woke agenda has made him an absolute enemy of the EU, like no other figure I've seen within the EU. And I think he's now getting fined so much per day because of the stand against mass migration. And he's a target of the Western media and of all the organs of the deep state. And you see them working across. I mean, tell us how you view that. This is one man, small country, standing up against the EU. 10 million people in Hungary, half a billion in the EU. And everything that Orbán stands for is different than the entity of the European Union. I think that's a lesson for Americans to learn to be very careful who you actually place yourself under.
Yeah, that's exactly Exactly right. And, you know, it really goes back to something that you mentioned, you know, this guy Daniel Frund, I believe is how you say his last name, in the EU. I mean, he's taken it on himself. It's made...
He's made it his business to post things on his social media that are clearly very discriminatory against Hungary.
And he's made it, he's an example, I think, of the anger that many on the liberal left, the radical left get simply because you don't do what they want you to do, simply because you don't believe what they believe. And Hungary was perfectly fine with not trying to change them, but they're trying to change Hungary. And as I said before, they've had the Ottoman Turks, the Habsburgs, the Nazis, the Soviets. They want to protect their beliefs. Like I said, they respect God. They're a Christian country. They respect the family. They actually put in their constitution a few years ago that the woman is the mother and the father and the man is the father, you know, against this gender nonsense.
And it made the EU extremely angry. And that's been part of the problem. And yeah, so a lot of this comes from anger. But I will touch on something else you said that I worked a lot against, during the Trump administration, trying to unravel the Obama years on this. The United States got way out of line on foreign aid. And what we've ended up doing, I believe it started under Obama. I don't know that it went a lot further back, but we've begun pushing our own progressive social agenda through our foreign aid with things called like being LGBT in Asia, being LGBT and whatever. And so, I wrote an article a couple months ago and it was in Peru, that's where it was, that we are funding transgender ballroom dancing in Peru. I mean, this kind of nonsense instead of real help, real development help, humanitarian help.
We are pushing our social progressiveness, I always do this because it's actually backwardsness, onto other countries. And in my job, you know, for years now, I've had people come from Africa, from the Middle East, from Eastern Europe, from South America, come and say to me, can you help us? Because your country has told us we can't have this money unless we do this, which is against our religion, whether it's something that's promoting abortion, promoting homosexuality. It's not what our people want to do. But your country is pushing this. And it's a real problem. And we're doing it again under the Biden administration. And that's what's going on in Hungary and other countries, for sure, all over the world. And I'm sorry, I apologize.
Well, actually, that fits into what the EU and the UK are doing, that we tie a lot of our aid, especially to abortion being healthcare, and you need to abort as much as you can, and the whole LGBT agenda, especially in the education and media. So we are doing exactly the same. But you mentioned the ambassador, and you talk about him being a big advocate and representative of LGBT community. And that must be a slap in the face to a country that is a conservative Christian country. And the left put that in place, obviously Biden put them in place purposefully, knowing that we are going to push our agenda as America and it's irrelevant to what you think. But we have exactly the same issues in the EU and UK, pushing that agenda on developing countries.
Yeah. And it's stepping out of line. It's stepping over the sovereignty of other countries, over their religious freedom, over their scientific freedom when you get down to the transgender stuff. Our ambassador, David Pressman is his name.
Evidently, there was a small story about it. It was part of Obama's LGBT. Obama promised to spend millions and billions on promoting ideology. And I, can I make this clear? Because this is something I've worked on as well. Obama and Biden are spreading an ideology, teaching children in some of these programs, you know, here's the color purple, we're celebrating transgender stuff. It's ideology they're pushing. What they should be doing is looking and seeing in the countries, if homosexuals, if whatever, are being imprisoned or persecuted for some, you know, in some way. That should be addressed as a human rights issue. You know, ISIS beheading homosexual men. This is where the U.S. should be involved, not in spreading an ideology.
And I was going to tell you something else, Peter, but I've gotten off on that tangent. What was..
It's like the Matt Walsh documentary, What is a woman, talking to people in Africa and they're saying, what do you mean a man can be a woman, it's madness,
It's madness, yes and I had a friend who spoke at the UN from Africa who grew up in this village, you know, where, here was her point at the UN, we need roads so I can get my children to the doctor, we need hospitals. We need water where we live. We don't need abortion. That's not development. Going back to our ambassador. So first of all.
He helped Obama with this. Second of all, in his confirmation hearing, he was already calling Hungary a democratic backsliding country, aligning them with China and Russia. And if you look at his social media, most of this is because of the LGBT thing. And he promotes that agenda far more than anything else on his social media. He's militant about it. He's hung up and obsessed on it. He is married to a man. He has two little boys, I believe, with this man. Now, I've spent lots and lots of time in Hungary, been there many times at this point. I've seen homosexuals walking around. Nobody cares if that's what you want to do. But he was put in there as an antagonizing aspect for his beliefs alone and, you know, his obsessive promotion of it. And the real thing that clinches this is that he uses that to say that Hungary is backsliding in democratic values, that Hungary is a human rights abuser.
There is no put your finger on anything that Hungary has done to abuse human rights. In fact, you know, ironically, I think this was on the Human Rights Council Committee, whatever the name of the organization website, this uprising of LGBT people in Hungary. So, oh, it's terrible because Hungary is oppressing them because here's this uprising. Well, the point, you know, that I was trying to make during this time was these people have the freedom to uprise and say we don't like things. That's a democratic society.
So what's happening is the Biden administration wants everybody to agree with them. You know, that's the real issue. If you don't agree with them, then you're a human rights abuser. And that's wrong. It's deceptive and it's taking the focus off of real needs, you know, around the world that the U.S. could be focused on.
I know, exactly. A key part of, if you go go through Hungary's history from its establishment in the 9th century, so you've got 1,000 years of history, all the way up to the Ottoman Empire, 1800s, you go up to communism in the 1900s and how Hungary was able to overthrow that, along with the rest of Eastern Europe.
And that's 1,000-year history. It's, I mean, four times longer than the US has been there, and they fought for their national identity over that time. It does seem as though Hungary is a kind of roadmap for successfully preserving your national identity. Is that what you've seen in your time looking at Hungary?
Yeah, I believe so, Peter. And, you know, I did interviews for the Bucs, some with senior government officials and some with just regular people out in the country. And there was an older gentleman I talked to in his late 80s that had been there during the Soviet siege of Budapest, where they fought against the Nazis and pushed the Nazis out. He was just a little boy at the time. And he and his family were in one of the basements there where the castle is, now where the castle is in Hungary. And, you know, he recounts some really terrible things like the soldiers raping women just as a matter of method even to keep the people pressed down. But, you know, I asked him, in fact, he had this great attitude and he had lived most of his life up until 1991 under Soviet occupation. And I asked him, how is it that Hungarians are still so positive?
How is it that they hold so fast to their family because the Russians, the communist ideology, was to divide people from family, to divide people from religion, to divide people from their national identity. They took Hungarians' holidays away from them, their national holidays.
They told them they had to take crosses down off the walls and put the communist leader pictures up there. These are are just some small examples, but they tried to recreate Hungarian history and identity according to what the communists wanted it to be. And I said, how are you guys still so Hungarian, so family oriented, so focused on God and your country? And he said it really went back to Christianity and their families, that when he was a little boy, his mother, you know, would teach them in the house about their religion, about their faith, about right and wrong, freedom and liberty.
And then they would go to school and under the eyes of the communists, they would act a different way. But always at home, it was still being imparted to them, you know, the national identity of the Hungarians, their freedom, the importance of their sovereignty. And I had some other gentlemen that were older say pretty much the same thing. So I think it's something, I think it's that, and I think it's this will to survive. They've been through it for centuries, and they keep having to do it. And as somebody said to me, a few people said to me, is that America doesn't remember what it's like not to be free. We've been around like you said a lot less time than Hungarians have and they were dealing with this until recent history in 1991. So there are many people still alive that remember what it was like under the sovereignty of the Soviet Union.
You talked about faith, and I think the position of God is quite central. And of course, the EU have rejected God, and whenever they wrote the Constitution, they specifically and purposely removed any references to Christian history in Europe and any reference to God. And that puts it at odds with Hungary. I mean, there are many nations in Europe that are still very strongly, devoutly Christian. You've got Malta, Finland, Austria, Bulgaria, where I lived, and the Orthodox Church there is very strong. Italy, well known for their strong faith. Slovakia, you go to Greece, and the Orthodox Church is so strong, Greece.
But sadly, I guess none of those countries have an Orban. But how do you look on it as an American where Christianity is still a central part? I know times are changing. How do you look on it in not only Hungary, but many of those countries across Europe where faith, where your relationship with God is quite central in culture, not necessarily in politics? I mean, how did you see that as an American, as a Christian?
In relating it to Hungary, you mean, or in Europe?
Yeah, just generally your time there and how you as a Christian, as a conservative, and your parts of Hungary and Europe that are traditionally Christian, and yet the leadership doesn't necessarily represent that. But Hungary does seem to be different.
You know, they say that they're a Christian nation. I mean, even the government will say that. It's not, you know, it's not like a theocracy or anything like that, but they're very proud of the fact that a thousand years ago, King Istvan made them the easternmost western country of the empire, a Holy Roman Empire, and they took on Christianity. He thought it would be good for the alliances and the economic prosperity of Hungary, and they've continued to hold on to that.
You know, my experience going through Europe is sometimes I'm very surprised at how there are many people there that still have a real relationship as Christians with Jesus Christ. They have a real relationship as Jews with God, and they're really holding fast those principles. In other places that I've been, I think I've been a little bit disappointed that the religion has has turned in sort of this secular kind of religion. Like this is what our morals are based on, yet we're not really practicing any sort of religion where we are saying there is a power that's more important than we are. And while I still think that it's good that some societies are still based on this moral approach, understanding of Christianity or Judaism, I'm concerned that generations will go by if people are not actually practicing that religion, reading their Bibles, praying, that generations will go by and even that moral foundation will slip away. Am I explaining that right?
No, you are. You're right. There is a disconnect between the history and people's personal relationship with Jesus. And you see the church, especially in the Nordic countries, in Germany, and many parts, have become woke and have abandoned that clarion call they should have. But yet many parts of Eastern Europe still hold on to that. And Christianity, whether that's a personal relationship with Christ, part of it is cultural Christianity, but that is still embedded in the culture, where in many other parts of Europe that's been rejected.
That's exactly right. But what I'm concerned about is that in those places where it's still based on Christianity, if people still are not praying and reading their Bibles and learning what their religion is and what it should mean to them in their lives, that eventually that moral fabric will leave. And I think that is what is happening in America, is so few people are going to church now as generations ago. So few people think about praying when they have a problem, you know, before they go off and do whatever it is. And we've gotten to the point where cutting children's body parts off is okay.
That is moral depravity. So that's what I'm concerned about, Peter. I've seen it happen here. And I actually, I was talking to, I think it was an official, a government official, yes, about this. Like, are you concerned that the secular, because this person even said to me, it's more of a secular religion, secular Christianity. It's like a foundation of it. That was just his point of view. There are other people that were practicing. But I said, you know, aren't you concerned that eventually this moral fabric will be broken up? And he didn't seem to be too concerned about it, but I am.
I agree. Whenever the church begins to promote and advocate abortion and sexualization of children, you know that we are in a difficult, dangerous pit. And I get that. We need a huge revival.
Tell me how it's been welcomed in America, this book, because there are many books about, you know, Republicans, Red Wave, MAGA. You've got thousands and thousands of them. This book is quite different. It's looking outside, which maybe is different from the traditional conservative books that are available in the US. Tell me how it's been received and some of the conversations you've had with people as you've gone around and promoted the book.
It's actually been received very well. I've been on tons of media for it. People reaching out to me such as yourself that wanted to hear more about it. I think because they're fascinated by the fact that I'm showing the parallels of Hungary under communist control.
And actually, I want to go go back to that in just a second. But even like C-SPAN, C-SPAN came and recorded my, I had a book launch in New York and a book launch in DC in February. The New York one was December, 2023. But in February at the Hungarian embassy, C-SPAN came and recorded it and put it on, you know, their book TV, their Washington journal, and even on their radio. Because I think that, I'm an academic, I'm a researcher. So some people find the book a little daunting, a little heavy because of all the sources and citations and documentation that I use in it. But that's what I do. There are many people that appeal to a different crowd, I think, in America that just say, they're more like someone who impart a message that people need to hear. But I'm trying to say, look at the history, look at the history, and you know that we're in trouble. I put in the book, Peter, the 11 points of communist psychological warfare, which were written, published by our Department of Defense in 1959, so that our professionals would recognize communist psychological warfare and combat it, 1959. I put these in the book because every point is parallel to the United States today. And I wanted to show that, you know, the fact that the Hungarians were saying that we are, the rhetoric coming out of the U.S. reminds them of the Soviet days. If you even just walk that back to the Bolshevik revolution and the Marxism during that time, even I did not know that they were pushing abortion at that time as health care. This is not anything new, that that was coming out of their division between, parents and their children, was coming out of that, the Marxism at that time, between people and religion. But looking, just let me give you a couple of points from the communist psychological warfare points. Like I said, they're all in my book, and then I put up just a little brief description underneath of how it relates to the United States. One of the points is using a crisis to gain control. And we saw during the COVID pandemic, vaccine mandates where thousands of people lost their jobs because they wouldn't put an unknown substance into their body, their own body.
Vaccine mandates, lockdowns all over the world, actually. The detention camps in Australia were the ones that really freaked me out. But other examples, the government gaining control of propaganda bodies, that was actually one of the first steps of Sovietization that the Soviet Union would do in satellite countries. But it's also one of those points where the government will control the information going out. And certainly in the United States, the mainstream media is led and influenced by our administration. It is so far left. It is so, in my lifetime, it's never been so un-journalistic. But even farther than that, you know, the Biden administration is going through litigation right now because it's been accused of suppressing entire bodies of ideas of Americans on social media, collaborating with with Facebook and X or Twitter at the time, and other platforms to suppress people's views on the 2020 election, COVID-19, on Hunter Biden's laptop.
And we find out just a couple of weeks ago that they're doing it again. So I'll stop there. Those are just two examples of the points.
But it's really concerning.
I find it actually is an easy read. It is 350 pages, but you've got a thousand years of history to touch on. So you go through, I think, marvellously well. And it is available. I read it as an e-book. It is available as a paperback. Let me just... That is Last Warning to the West, Hungary's Triumph over Communism and The Woke Agenda, with a foreword by Kari Lake, as you mentioned. Just very last point on CPAC Hungary, because it's been fascinating your involvement with that, and I think that brings what is, it's a fascinating connection between Hungary and the US, because it's the first time CPAC has launched in Europe. I think Hungary is a fantastic country to start that in. And maybe just to end off, just mentioning that, because that brings up to the current present tense and also shows that bridge between Hungary and America, which I think can be key whenever, whenever Trump regains the White House.
Yeah, I think it's a good point. So CPAC Hungary started three years ago. I spoke the first two years. I wasn't able to go this year. But the organization that started CPAC Hungary is the same organization that published my book, the Center for Fundamental Rights. They're a conservative think tank there in Hungary. And I was a fellow for them for about a year and a half, senior fellow. And it was a great experience. And they have done a fantastic job with CPAC Hungary. Strange that there's no other CPAC in Europe. But they really set out to build collaboration between countries and certain aspects of the countries that were conservative. And they've done a fantastic job with that because, you know, they've also built relationships in Spain, in Italy with different conservative organizations.
And we see that all over the world now. In fact, we go back a couple of weeks ago. It seemed that the EU in the elections for the European Parliament went a bit to the right. So I do believe that things going on like CPAC Hungary help influence that. And, you know, I have conservative friends now down in Argentina and in Italy. And like I said, Spain and Hungary and all these different places. And we collaborate together, help each other, support each other. And I believe, this is my theory, that in many countries, the majority of the people are still wanting to support family, are still respecting their religion, still love their homeland. And I think the liberal left in the form of the European Union and the Biden administration and the media all over the world is announcing to the world that they don't matter. The political and media elites of the left have the power, the control. So it makes it seem like the whole world is that way. And we do have a lot to fight against on legislation and crazy things that are going on in the EU and in my own capital where I am here. But I just believe that people all over the world need to know there are sane people out there working for these foundational principles, because Europe was also founded on Christian principles.
And the United States most certainly was, you know, like you said, the EU is voting this constitution to take that out. But that's not what the original fathers of the EU were doing. So I'm sure you know more about that than I do. And I talk about that some in my book. But it's this real change from, you know, humility before a higher power in your lives, to thinking that you can do it all yourself. You know, you're giving yourself your rights now, these rights that God have given us, he didn't give them to us. In fact, we had a commentator in the United States about a month or so ago say that, that Christian nationalists, Christians who love their country, were crazy because we thought that our rights were God-given, and how silly that was. And we're like, well, lady, it's actually in our founding documents.
So anyway, it's this real reliance on self, Peter, And that's dangerous. And there are those of us that are fighting for the right kind of principles like you, like yourself. And it's good that outlets such as you are getting that word out there. I think it encourages people is what I'm trying to say with a lot of words.
Well, 100%. We'll bring it last warning to the West. Fantastic read and counterpoint institute I encourage your viewers listeners to make sure and click on that and follow and sign up to all you're doing and I just saw that Hungary take over the commission, EU commission and their tagline is Make Europe Great Again so you're going to have MEGA and MAGA together, MEGA MAGA for the second half of this year, but Dr Shea thank you so much for coming on and sharing about your experiences, your work with Counterpoint Institute.
It's fascinating. So thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you, Peter. And if your listeners would like to follow our work, just sign up for our newsletter on counterpoint.institute.org. It only comes out a couple of times a month, but it just gives the basics on all these issues that you and I have talked about in the work we're doing. So thank you so much for having me.
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Thanks Peter.

Jacki Deason - The Great Debate: Biden, Trump and the Path Forward for America

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We are delighted to welcome Jacki Deason, who is the host of The Jacki Daily Show on blaze.com to help Peter delve into the recent presidential debate. They begin by critiquing candidate performances and discussing political strategies before touching on cultural Marxism's impact on institutions, advocating for balanced history education, and prioritizing national interests in industries like energy. The conversation extends to renewable energy challenges, highlighting the need for informed decision-making, stressing the importance of nuanced understanding and thoughtful discourse on complex societal issues.
Jacki Deason hosts The Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show and podcast airing on BlazeMedia, on the dial in Texas, and podcast on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher.Previously, Jacki worked for an engineering firm specializing in energy production, national security, and environmental cleanup.  She served as legal counsel on Capitol Hill to the Chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution and the former Ranking Member of the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee, advising on the oversight of federal agencies.  Prior to her career in Washington, she worked as a corporate litigator, and as an Assistant Vice President for a national bank.Jacki studied Economics, Spanish, and World History at Marshall University (U.S. Society of Yeager Scholars), Oxford University (U.K.), and the University of Zaragoza (Spain).  She is an alum of the Vanderbilt University Law School, where she served as the President of the law school’s Federalist Society chapter.Jacki has an extensive network from which the show draws its guests—including industry leaders representing all parts of the energy sector, government officials, journalists, and political insiders.  Often, Jacki will know the day’s most-wanted guest and be able to secure the guest with a personal call.Jacki is from the Ohio River Valley, where the shale runs deep. She descends from a long line of energy workers, including roughnecks, railroaders, coal miners, and nuclear energy specialists.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
It's wonderful to have a guest on, first time, who I met over when I was stateside last time, Jacki Deason.
Jacki, thank you so much for your time today.
(Jacki Deason)
Thank you so much, Peter, for the opportunity.
I'm looking forward to this.
Not at all.
I know you've got a lot happening in everything, in media world, and everything else, so it is great to have you on.
And, of course, you host the Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show airing on Blaze Media.
And I had the privilege of actually getting a tour of the fantastic Blaze Studios, which made me feel a little bit jealous as a Brit.
But great.
And I know on your tagline, it says, entertains and educates a worldwide audience, dispels fear with facts and all things energy, freedom, happiness and prosperity.
And I love that uplifting message.
And your background you worked in energy and then before that legal counsel on Capitol Hill and then before that you worked as a corporate litigator and assistant at the president for a national bank.
So, a lot in there in your background a lot of experience you bring and I love talking to those in the media who actually have a wealth of background experience they bring to that and it's It's not just another podcast.
So, great to have you with us.
And obviously, people can find you @JackiDailyHost on Twitter or X.
And JackiDaily.com is the website.
And all the links for your Facebook and Instagram are all up there on the website and on Twitter.
Now, the first thing I need to ask you, of course, Jacki, is the presidential debate last night.
And I didn't subject myself to the whole two hours.
I watched snippets of it, maybe snippets more on the Trump side, because you get what feed Twitter gives you.
But what were your thoughts on that?
And I've read a lot of newspaper headlines, but what were your thoughts?
So, I watched it from start to finish and I went and got a massage and took a nap before the debate just to get rested up for it.
Like everyone here was so jacked up, amped up for it.
You know, I mean, we couldn't wait, because we actually thought this moment might never come, either because Biden would just refuse to debate, which is the new thing, or because, you know, Trump could be in jail.
Literally, it's possible.
So, we didn't know what was going to happen.
Out of nowhere came this early debate, which is weird.
I'm telling you, the Democrats are doing that strategically, agreeing to that so that they can show the world why they have no choice but to replace him at the convention.
Probably with Michelle Obama, could be Gavin Newsom.
But it's Michelle Obama who, who, you know, they put these books out for her, book tours all over the place.
She's all over these shows that are, you know, supposedly mainstream culture shows, but they're really run by Democrat loyalists at the top.
She's the one that's being traipsed out all the time, not Gavin Newsom.
They did have a debate with Gavin Newsom and DeSantis earlier in the year.
So, some people thought they were, like, trying him out.
But, I really think that's the whole purpose of this debate.
I think it came from the Democrat side.
They know the problem they have.
I mean, there's no way that Biden can not have major gaps showing that he's cognitively not there anymore.
He wasn't in 2016 either, really, but they could hide it well enough.
People scorned me for saying that he was being drugged up in advance of national media appearances.
But you know what?
Like about 95 percent of conservatives believe that.
And now probably 90 percent of liberals would believe that.
I don't know.
But anyway, you heard Biden say that there were a thousand trillionaires in America.
I mean, whoa, that people were being raped by their in-laws and their brothers and sisters, that he beat Medicare, that Democrats are against late-term abortion.
Abortion, I'm sure that disgusted and shocked his base, who think therefore, or at least if they actually correct that, most Democrats are not, but the party apparatus, the people at the highest levels most certainly are.
So anyway, those were all major flaws in his performance, I thought, aside from the obvious the name calling and moodiness and all that.
Trump actually, I thought, performed just like last time, which is that, you know, I watched and he is, he missed a lot of opportunities to lay out.
Well, there were a lot of opportunities, I agree.
I mean, I think it's just that he refuses to prepare, right?
So because, like you said, He said, I saw the quote, he says, I've been preparing for this debate all of my life.
He is off the cuff because he is, in fact, a performer.
He is an entertainer.
And that works to his benefit a lot.
People don't know, if you haven't been to a Trump rally, he's a completely different person.
He is like a stand-up comedian.
He is very relaxed.
He's having a great time.
He's witty and clever.
Last night, he was agitated.
You know, it wasn't, it's a very different Trump.
And so, you know, I heard a lot of repetition in there.
And, you know, John McCain did the same thing.
They're two very different people, two very different people.
But, you know, I thought Trump was passable.
I don't think it changed really anyone's minds.
Campaigns, the only person who changed minds was Biden, because now he did his job, which was to convince the Democrats that they don't want him on the ticket, even though they voted for him in the primary.
That's the issue.
And he has to want to step down.
I mean, I actually thought that maybe going after his son criminally was about coercing him to step down.
They did the same thing to General Flynn on the Republican side, you might remember.
So, that either didn't work or he didn't get it.
He really cognitively might not even understand threats at this point.
So, it's very interesting.
But there's a total meltdown this morning on the Democrat side, which I think is orchestrated, foreseeable.
I try to not get too political on my, X account.
You know, I actually try to avoid the words Democrat or Republican.
It's not a partisan show.
It's a policy show.
So, I don't, but I don't mind when I go into other people's shows.
It's your show.
So, you can ask anything you want.
And the truth is I love talking politics.
I don't get to do it very often on my show.
So, this is a real treat for me.
Good.
Well, I want to ask you everything.
And I've had the privilege of being at three Trump rallies, including my picture with the man himself, so it's it's phenomenal and from someone who's been at steeped in U.K politics nothing beats a trump rally.
So, anyone watching this you have to get out to a trump rally before November, because nothing beats that atmosphere the excitement the the electric environment that is.
But I was kind of thinking, and I agree with your assessment fully.
I'm glad I'm not more down the rabbit hole than you are; Michelle Obama: I agree it ticks those boxes.
I wonder why kind of you the trump team would want to debate Biden, because you don't want him to look too decrepit because then it plays into the hands of those who want to remove him, but the media have portrayed him as mentally unable over the last maybe one, two, three, months and it of seems to be playing up and this seems to be the the culmination in that.
So, maybe the Trump team couldn't actually do anything about it that they had to push for the debate, agree, and then whatever happens-happens.
So, what...
Yeah, what were your I thought why would he want to debate debate Biden, because he seems to be winning on immigration on the border and economy, so why go into that.
You know, I don't communicate with the Trump team, so I don't have any special insight into that decision making process.
But I will tell you, I do believe what they should have done is waited until after the Democratic convention, which is the normal course of things.
I mean, that's the way it normally works.
I mean, the fact that they would agree to this should have tipped off some alarm bells.
So, I do think that was a tactical mistake myself.
I think I think that part of what they must have been thinking is literally it's possible Trump will be in jail between now and the election.
What the debates represent, and few people appreciate this, even in the States, is it is the one event where you have both sides watching, listening, meaning President Trump can get through to even the Democrat supporters of Biden with zero media filter.
And that almost never happens.
It almost doesn't exist.
Everything we get is filtered through our media source of choice.
And so it's really scary that we live in these echo chambers and now you have social media so you can cultivate your own reality and universe and friend set.
So, I love debates because it's the one opportunity we get to really speak directly to the other side.
We have to find all of those opportunities we can.
And even people like you and me, who we might not be running for president, but we do have a platform and a voice.
And I try very hard to find those opportunities to speak directly to people on the other side, especially at the highest levels.
Levels because once you spend time around them, which is so rare these days, unfortunately, you realize something.
Many of them are just human beings.
They really do believe in what they're doing sometimes.
Some of them do.
And so I've spent a lot of time lately trying to hack the filter that they're seeing through and figure out how do we get to them?
Because here's what I come away with every single time.
Every single time I spend time with a high profile liberal, like having drinks or spending social time, you know, just really downtime.
It's that both sides maybe are being deceived.
What the really bad guys, the really bad guys don't want is for us to communicate directly and get around the filters that are put on us.
By both sides of the corporate media.
So...
I just, we have to remain humanized to each other.
We become objectified as some big, horrible, awful other out there.
And they believe the worst things imaginable about us.
And it has to be shocking for them to be around us and find out that we're just normal, decent, caring, respectful human beings.
And so I just come away with this.
I'm not going to give you the names, but it was just a couple of months ago.
I was out in Palo Alto, California with two extremely high profile liberals.
You would know their names right away in the UK too.
And so we were meeting for this kind of side reason.
It's not the core of what I do at all.
I just happened to be there.
In fact, I wasn't really an invitee and clearly they had no idea who I was, because I walk in and spend half an hour talking to one of them before this thing gets started.
And she's like, so what do you do?
And I'm like, well, I do energy and environment research.
And she goes, oh, how lovely.
She has no idea who I am, which is great.
So, we have this amazing conversation.
And here's the bottom line.
At the end of this long event, we then go have drinks.
And it's just a few of us, like less than five.
And these two to say to me, every day, we were on the phone this morning and we said, every day we become more conservative, because they're like, you know what?
Pro-Hamas protests, we're out.
This business of, you know, operating on children, removing their genitals, so they can't reproduce before they're even old enough to know, you know, you're four years old.
Every other day you think you're a dinosaur, much less the opposite sex.
They're like, we're out.
We're having no part of that.
We cannot be a part of that.
It's a violation of our conscience.
And then, you know, men in our transition, men in women's sports, we're out.
We can't be a part of that.
And even one of them was in a gay marriage and said that the other one, the spouse, had just been let go from a job for refusing to identify pronouns, because that person objected.
You know, there are actually people on the other side who are reasonable.
They know what's happening is not the truth.
They know they're being asked to be part of something that cannot be right.
And so, I really just came away with a lot of hope after speaking with them.
Like I said, they'd been drinking.
I feel like they were like loosened up and it was like a truth serum coming out.
And it was really very reassuring.
And then they said to me, they said, you know, people just believe that Republicans don't care about people.
I said, that is just emphatically false.
It is emphatically false.
I feel like most of my day is filled with trying to figure out how to protect people.
And so anyway, what I'm saying to you is that conversation was so valuable.
It was so valuable because that's a humanizing conversation.
I think it's exactly the conversation that the really bad guys don't want us to have.
hey don't want us to figure out that the people on the other side are probably actually decent human beings who just, that what's happened is we, we all have, different information sets, different life experiences, different, friend sets.
And so that's probably the biggest difference between the average liberal and average conservative. It's different. You've been exposed to different information.
And so, but you're not that different.
So, I just want this unifying message.
I had a separate conversation with a guy who was the founder of the Bloods street gang here in Dallas.
There's the Bloods and the Crips in LA, very famous.
There've been films made about it.
There are rap songs about it.
These are very violent criminal gangs, but they are a family to the people who join them, because often they don't have family.
Anyway, I was speaking with him him.
And I could tell you other things about him that make him different from me.
We’re racially different.
We're at this point, socioeconomically different, but I just, we had this amazing conversation and I just thought this is exactly, again, I came away thinking, this is the conversation that the people who work to divide us don't want us to have.
We have to force those conversations in those social settings where it's not a debate.
You're not at a panel, right?
You know, where it's scripted in front of a lot of people.
You're just talking one-on-one.
I want to pick up, because that's a really interesting line, because often we see the other side as the enemy, or we see them as actually as maybe evil in what they push forward and forget that they are probably misinformed.
And that may be a better place to start.
I want to pick up on that, but I wanted to ask you one more question on the debate, because some of the headlines, I mean, even CNN talked about 67% thought that Trump won.
From their viewers and 33% thought the Biden one, I don't know where how those 33% were watching; maybe they were sleeping, I don't know.
You were pulling The White House staff.
They could have been but and then a lot of the headlines.
I mean, New York post: this debate was a blowout for Trump, political Democrats really have no way to spin this.
And New York Times piece: Joe Biden is a good man a good president, but he must buy out of the race.
And then CNN did that fact check and and showed a lot of the stuff was incorrect.
Independent in the U.K: I really didn't know what he said and I think, I don't think he does either, which was a quote from Trump.
That was the headline of the article.
Trump pulls no punches as Biden struggles in debate Sky News an unmitigating disaster for Biden and tv debate with Trump as he faces calls from democrats to step aside which is what you touched on.
Then The Guardian, who will replace Joe Biden, and a lot of other publications beginning to talk about who will replace for the first time ever, actually.
It's been more the conservative side, but actually seeing the left.
And it seemed as though simply on the end with Joe Biden taking him by the hand and leading the poor guy off stage where Trump just walks off.
All of that.
Seem to be put out to say, actually, he's not able to continue.
And I'm firmly of the view, not that I would put money on it, even after our conversation, but actually, Michelle Obama seems to tick all the boxes the Democrats want.
So they think.
I'll tell you what, here's my thought about it.
And maybe I'm totally wrong, not like I had my finger on the pulse of the average Democrat voter.
But she seems to me to check the boxes for the elite Democrat set.
The elites, they're the ones that you the only ones you're allowed to hear from, really, on cable news.
So, Michelle Obama, she is, I think I was saying I grew up beneath the poverty line.
I'm now very much not.
The liberals in the suburbs and the really nice neighbourhoods think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I'll tell you who I don't think thinks that.
Union Democrats, people working with their hands, which historically was a huge voting bloc for Democrats.
And they've already been peeling off a lot long before she came along.
Then Hispanics. I mean, again, Hispanics are very practical people.
There's no cocktail circuit that they're going to care about as much.
These are like, some of them are new Americans, but a lot of them are not.
People forget.
We have a very large Hispanic community that's Cuban in South Florida and Venezuelan from the central and South America.
You've got the Puerto Ricans in New York.
[20:39] You've got Mexicans in Texas.
[20:42] And we we have in this southwestern part of the country, Hispanics who were here long before we were, like literally, they didn't immigrate anywhere in the last probably thousand years.
So, they're a huge demographic that's now flipping Republican.
And people marvelled at this last election.
These were once Native American tribes.
Then they were conquered by the Mexicans, specifically the Spanish government when they were still in control of Mexico.
Then they were Texians because they'd won their independence from Mexico.
Then they joined the United States.
So, the borders just keep running over top of these folks.
That's a huge demographic.
What is it about Michelle Obama that appeals to them at all?
I can't think of really one reason why. What has she accomplished, really?
They don't care about checking boxes and woke politics.
These are people who care about inflation and crime and immigration, obviously, for where they live is going to be the big issue for them.
I'm just not at all sure.
Then how about all of the new immigrants who come from countries?
Where women don't have the status that they have here?
How about countries where, you know, if women testify in court, their testimony is worth half of a man's?
We're importing immigrants from countries where that is the practice.
That is the belief system.
Why are they going to go for Michelle Obama?
I just don't, I don't see it.
Okay, well, we'll watch it and see if her surname carries her forward or whether they choose someone else.
But I 100% agree, that everything was played out to show that Biden is not able to stand us, whether Jill Biden accepts us, maybe that could be the sticking point.
I'm sure she's enjoying that position in the White House.
Jacki, I'm interested in your thoughts on the whole march of cultural Marxism, which you've seen over the past couple of decades, really, through every institution, not only in the US, but here in the UK and across Europe.
And during this election, immigration and the economy are the two big issues, whether it's in the European elections just passed or the French elections just happening, the UK elections coming up in days or the US election in November.
It's actually interesting the same issues which is border control, immigration, and the economy, but the whole issue of cultural Marxism and how it's torn up a lot of our institutions and I'm wondering how that kind of fits in in regards to rewriting American history, and then we'll get on to kind of education, the whole gender debate, but where does that fit into this, presidential election?
So, I mean, we now have reached, the Marxists have now reached a critical mass of young people.
So, let's say people under the age of maybe who genuinely are buying into what they're.
Which is that there's an us versus the oppressor.
So they're permitting the people teaching them to divide us.
That's the first issue.
And it's just a modern application.
And because they don't have enough evidence, I mean, they tried earlier in American history in the last 100 years to divide us, lower income bracket, upper income bracket.
They introduced the words class.
That's why I try so hard to avoid using the words working class, upper middle class.
The word class itself is dividing.
It just means, you know, let's call them upper income, lower income.
It didn't work in America because frankly, I mean, I grew up in a lower income family.
Our lives were not that bad.
You know, I don't recall ever going hungry, ever going homeless.
We were free.
We could say what we wanted, do what we wanted.
It wasn't like Europe where only the elite could hunt.
We could hunt, we could fish and feed ourselves and grow our own crops.
We all had gardens growing up.
Our lives were pretty good.
The socioeconomic Marxism really never caught on here. gear.
So, they shifted gears.
And now it's all about your immutable characteristics, race, sex, or now they'll fluid it with gender.
Race and sex, you inherited those completely beyond any control of your own from the moment of your conception, not the moment of your birth, the moment of your conception.
You were encoded with your DNA as male or female, black, white, whatever.
And so this has been success.
What's amazing is they had to do the bag of checks and go back 400 years to the 1619 Project to be able to find sins big enough to cause people to begin to question whether or not America was good, whether or not they are good, whether or not their parents are any good and their grandparents.
And so what I see happening, and it's the critical theory school, the Frankfurt School and all that, you're seeing them use critical theory, which in my mind is the cheapest theory.
Easiest, lowest bar school.
And all it does is say, all right, let's take whatever it is we want to destroy, zoom in on the worst moments in the history, moments in a person's life, blow them up out of all proportion and pretend they're representative.
And by all means, what you will never want to do is actually show the other side of that person or that country.
Here's the truth, right?
You can destroy any country or people or person with that approach.
There is no people group that didn't practice slavery.
And in fact, Americans were one of the first to abolish it.
I mean, slavery is going on right now all over the world.
There are more people enslaved right now than in any other time in history.
Do people even know that?
They don't, because if they did, the fault wouldn't break down along racial lines that the Marxists need to get what they want politically in this country.
It's just a matter of changing the perspective of the kids they're brainwashing and saying, just a minute, let me ask you one question.
What country would you rather live in, the United States or pick a Marxist country?
Pick one.
Cuba, Russia, some of the middle America countries have hard left governments.
Some of the South American countries, you know, I don't see you rushing their border the way the people from those countries are rushing our border.
Why is that?
Why do they want to be here?
We must be doing something right.
Would you like to talk about what we're doing right?
You know, would Would you like to talk about what's so great about America or the West or Christendom as it was once known?
Countries that have a Christian background?
I mean, one of the things I thank God for is that I was born in this country and I wasn't born an Iraqi Christian in the last 30 years.
Or a Syrian Christian or a Lebanese Christian.
The war on Christians and the genocide that's happened against Christians around the world, not just in the Middle East and North Africa, but all over the place, is an outrage.
And no one seems too concerned about that.
Why?
Why aren't Americans under the age of 40 taught about that?
Why not?
Instead of learning about the genocide that's happening today.
They're learning about something that happened 400 years ago.
They have to reach back 400 years.
And still, if I were born, you know, check their boxes.
If I were a young, black, female, bisexual, I'd far rather live in the United States than live in any other country.
Period.
Period.
And so what are we doing right?
Why is that true?
And why is nobody asking these questions?
So, I guess what I'm saying is it's a critical theory.
[29:50] And you can get people to understand this by applying it to one human being, rather than looking at countries, rather than needing a command of world history, which most people don't have, because the Department of Education scrubbed that out of the curriculum a long time ago to make sure you can't do this analysis I'm asking you to do.
Let's look at one person.
Let's take the Christian view of this, which is you can take any human being and, and take the worst moments of their lives where they behave the worst, they did the worst thing that they're most ashamed of, that they most regret.
You can zoom in on that and put it up on a big, you know, overhead projector.
Let me show you how old I am and overhead projector and, or put it up on your social media and pay for it to go viral and show the world that one worst moment in that human being's life and pretend like that represents their life.
There's nothing else to know, right?
They've never done anything good in their life.
There's no redeeming anything about that person.
This is it.
That's what the Marxists do.
That's what the politics is about today.
And it's about dehumanizing and demonizing that person or that country or that culture or that faith off the very worst moments in history three with the very worst people who ever phony put on the mantra and that, that label.
So, I guess it's just, it's the critical thinking that we have to teach to the younger people so they don't fall victim to this warring against their own people, their own family, you know, people who won't even speak to their parents anymore because they, they believe something different about supply side economics or taxation or something.
It's ridiculous.
And that's brainwashing.
And it's what What brainwashers do, they isolate you from everyone who ever loved you.
So, they can have their way with you in your brain.
And so it's not that the kids are bad, and it's not that they're stupid.
It's none of those things.
And you have to refrain from getting angry about it and calling people names, because it's actually that nobody has ever taught them real history.
No one has ever taught them how to think critically, because that's the last thing that the Marxists want.
I was talking to a lady yesterday in Texas who is doing education reform.
Now, she said, this is in Texas now, they don't even want to give the kindergartners pencils or crayons.
God forbid they might learn how to read and write.
You know, it was illegal in slave-holding countries to teach the slaves how to read.
You know why?
They might actually advance in society.
They're harder to subdue.
And now they're doing the exact same thing in Texas schools or someone's trying to make that the policy.
This is an outrage.
And they do it on the basis of not every kid can read and write.
Not every kid can succeed.
We need to care about the people at the lower end who can't succeed.
And that is a thinly veiled excuse for keeping them down.
We got to call this what it is.
That is victimization.
That's a predator trying to keep those kids down.
It's really disgusting.
And there are very few people who are truly the bad people.
Again, it's only the operatives who want to keep us divided and want to keep people ignorant.
We have to recognize this is so important.
It's a teeny little sliver of the population.
It's not the Democrat party.
Most Democrats don't feel that way.
It's some of the people at the top of the apparatus who are funding things, who run the media.
And we all need to kind of get together against that teeny little sliver of bad people trying.
And why do they do it?
You know, it's about power and money.
It's about separating people from their rights and their money and their autonomy and their self-determination.
Anyway, I could go on for a long time.
As you can see, I'm very passionate about this and reframing the debate so that people aren't having their heritage stripped from them. Americans should be very proud to be Americans.
There's a lot we do right.
And that's why there are millions of people flooding our border to get in here.
And nowhere else in the world do you see that.
Yeah, I agree.
We're seeing British history rewritten where the British Empire is now something awful instead of looking at how William Wilberforce was the forefront of actually freeing, stopping slavery and then looking at the educational side, the health side, transport, all those things that were provided and history is rewritten.
And it kind of fits into in the US where Make America Great Again is an uplifting message of hope, of actually bringing the country to where it should be.
And that's now degraded as evil and hateful.
It's curious where making a country great is regarded as awful.
It's, yeah, a curious mix.
It's a very difficult mantra to try to demonize, but people have certainly tried.
And so, you know, they're like, what he's trying to say, they make this up.
Okay.
They're saying what Trump is trying to say is that somehow we were great when we were less diverse.
It's like, actually, this country has always been diverse.
Always.
There's never been a day, a day since America existed from the 1700s that we didn't have have.
Native Americans, especially all over the frontier, wherever that was, we have, you know, always had, at least since the 1700s, a hefty percentage of Black Americans.
We had, as you know, the Spanish were in Florida, the French were in the North, the Dutch, you know, it used to be Dutch in New York before it was English, before we renamed it York.
Yeah.
But anyway, and of course, as I told you, the people in the Southwest, they were always tribal and they're still there.
They're not on reservations.
They live in Laredo.
They live in El Paso.
So anyway, it's always been a diverse country.
Therefore, the slogan, Make America Great Again, in, does not hearken back to some, this is what they, his enemies want you to believe, like it harkens back to some time when America was all white.
When was that?
But because their sense of history is about as deep as their lifetime, or maybe not even that long, they became politically conscious five years ago.
So, nothing existed before five years ago.
And so anyway, I mean, sometimes I make fun of the the people on the other side just because you have to laugh or cry.
You got to have some fun sometime.
But really, there's a great mission in front of us to educate people about real history and some of it is dark, some of it is bad, and then we have to own it.
When you were in Texas, for example.
My studio, part of the studio is a museum.
It's called the American Journey Experience. And the museum highlights all kinds of things from Hollywood and its history to, you know, to the Geneva Bible, to crime and punishment.
There's an electric chair in there showing you some of the really dark stuff.
And Glenn Beck is, you know, running that project.
And he's like the the lead host at the Blaze Media.
He thought it was important to take all the horrible things in history and showcase them accurately, which sometimes it's actually worse than you think.
Sometimes it's better than you think.
But also there's American greatness in the museum.
You can also see a whole library of burned books that the Nazis burned in World War II.
So, you know, it's just a lot of great stuff that you can't really get anywhere else.
And so that's the importance of history.
We have to tell it all. The good and the bad.
Concede the bad points.
But make sure the good points are taught.
And you're making me jealous again and I did see some of that.
I thought it's so essential that that story, that history is preserved because there seems to be an onslaught everywhere.
One of the other tidelines is America first.
First and this is something that actually Europe are struggling with actually nations being the priority for the government which should be the first duty of any government putting the country and citizens first and we've ended up a duty of the government seems to be putting the citizens last.
I mean when Trump was in the White House he there were many things that he wanted to do with manufacturing, with energy, and I know your background in energy, and he always talked about being energy independent.
And we've moved away, not only in America, but in Britain, we've got gas in the North Sea, and we were energy independent for decades.
But we've moved away from that to shipping LPG from foreign countries, and that seems better than actually producing it under our own feet.
But that must be another part of Trump's call for November to actually put America first and to use the resources that America has instead of relying on other countries.
Right.
So, you know, COVID should have taught us about strategic commodities.
There were all kinds of things that we needed and we weren't sure that we would have them, whether it's pharmaceuticals like antibiotics or whether it's PPE is what we call it.
But that's basically during COVID, it's all the sterile stuff, the masks, you know, the gloves, the simple stuff, plastic barriers.
America doesn't manufacture anything anymore.
Well, take that problem and put it on steroids when you're talking about oil and gas.
Oil and gas run the world, even now and even for the foreseeable future, at least 20 years from now. Anything to the contrary is just a lie.
It's just a lie.
Imagine this in in the first two world wars the united states supplied about 70 percent of the oil and gas or the fuel to the allies that was needed to win those wars if it weren't for American oil and gas and American steel as well those wars would have gone the other direction, understand it.
So, that's why you know Hitler was trying so hard to get Baku Azerbaijan on.
That's the oldest oil field in the world. It's huge.
And he really needed that to continue the war.
That's a lot of what went wrong for him.
And thank God it went wrong for him.
And so it was us storming the beaches of Europe at this time with oil and natural gas.
And it's one reason why the pipeline that the Russians lost was such a big deal too.
Because everyone knows fossil fuels are still what run the world.
It's the reason why China's building all these coal plants, because they're smart.
They have to somehow take care of 1.3 or more billion people.
You can't do that without fossil fuels.
We are watching this bizarre suicide that our federal government is trying to impose upon us.
Right now, the U.S. is the number one oil producer on Earth.
We're the number one natural gas producer on Earth.
That wasn't true before the fracking revolution.
So first you saw the attack on fracking.
It supposedly is destroying groundwater.
It's destroying the air and all that proved false.
It was debunked.
Then it was methane.
Then it's attack pipelines.
Suddenly pipelines are evil, even though they're obviously the most green way of moving the hydrocarbon because the alternatives are rail and truck.
When you stop the pipeline, all you're doing is moving it to rail and truck, which has like 20 times the carbon footprint of a pipeline.
So anyway, back to what Trump needs to do is make clear to people, number one, face the reality.
With math and with physics, it is not possible to run this country on wind and solar, nor is it green, by the way, but that's a much longer conversation.
But when you watch people make really bad decisions like like RFK Jr. And Governor Cuomo, who banned fracking in New York, an outrage.
New York is rich in shale.
It has one of the most monstrous shale plays in the country.
Pennsylvania chose to develop it.
So, you have like a lot of wealth in Pennsylvania.
These poor farmers up in New York, they can't have any of that money and the New Yorkers can't have any of the gas.
So guess what?
The result is that the Russians are pulling their tankers into the Northeast to give New York its natural gas.
And the New Yorkers are paying the Russians and therefore or have been since over the time when they did the ban, which I think was 2014.
Russians are a little more suppressed at this point.
But for a long, long, long time, that's what happened.
Now you're paying Russia for your fuel.
Congratulations.
You didn't change one thing about the amount of fossil fuels you're burning.
All you're doing is giving Putin money to fuel a war.
And so this is what happens.
But the New Yorkers really believed that if they voted for the fracking ban, they were all going to just magically hop over to wind and solar, which can't even fuel that state.
Apparently, all the battery storage in the country right now could run New York City for an hour.
So, yeah, but they were lied to.
They were lied to.
And so they didn't know that.
hey would never have made that choice if they'd had the real facts that people like Governor Cuomo and RFK Jr.
Miseducated them because they were miseducated themselves.
Yeah, not huge.
I think energy needs to be; without energy actually economy collapses nothing works and energy is is absolutely central and forefront to to anything..
Jacki, I really do appreciate your time covering obviously the debate that we've just had and touching on some of those key issues which I think will be front and foremost in this election campaign.
So, thank you so much for giving us your time today.
Thank you, Peter.
And thank you for the opportunity.
It's really fun to connect across the ocean here, have this conversation.
I really appreciate everything you do.
Oh, thank you.
You keep up the great work.