Hearts of Oak Podcast

Tanya Gaw - Action4Canada: The Christian-Canadian Crusade for National Identity and Freedom

Show Notes and Transcript
Our good friend, Tanya Gaw, founder of Action4Canada returns to Hearts of Oak for a discussion on protecting faith, family, and freedom in Canada, highlighting challenges in education and Traitor Trudeau's stance on Israel. She advocates for nationalist movements, scrutinizing globalist influence, and preserving Canadian values. Emphasizing unity and upholding Christian-based culture, this podcast underscores the importance of challenging mainstream narratives for a secure future.
Tanya Gaw is a committed Christian and defender of faith, family, and freedom.She is the founder of Action4Canada which is a grassroots, not for profit organization committed to upholding the Canadian constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.Tanya began her journey in 2015 in response to the government passing legislation that severely impacted Canadian democracy and freedom. Tanya has been working to give the silent majority a voice through letter writing campaigns, petitions and organizing events, to help raise public awareness.Action4Canada not only educates people on what is happening, they effectively equip, encourage and mobilize Canadians to take action.Tanya also retained Rocco Galati, a top constitutional lawyer, and commenced legal action against the BC and Federal government as of August 16, 2021. This action is in response to the government’s COVID-19 emergency measures wherein they have committed egregious crimes against the citizens of Canada in an effort to attain global control.Her greatest mission is to declare that Canada is founded on Judeo Christian biblical principles, forming our laws and our values, and provides a system of governance that sets us apart from totalitarian, extremist and communist regimes. Because of it…we have the freedom to believe…or not to believe…without fear of persecution, oppression, and even death.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
It is wonderful to have Tanya Gaw back with us again. It's been a long time. Tanya, thank you so much for joining us once again today.
(Tanya Gaw)
Thank you, Peter. It's good to be here. I always appreciate the work that you do. So I'm excited about the conversation today.
That's great that we can talk from Europe all the way over there to Canada and connect and have a conversation about the work, certainly you're doing and I think it massively helps our viewers understand and of course the WarRoom Posse will be watching so they will get just north of the border there of what is happening, but obviously if Tanya's been with us twice before, if the viewers or listeners have not followed her then you can follow her, there is her Twitter handle @gawtanya and of course action4canada.com is the website and shows the the great work that Tanya is doing there in Canada of course and you're there just in case our viewers haven't because it's been a while, so you're the founder of Action 4 Canada, protecting faith, family, and freedom, educating, equipping, encouraging, and mobilizing Canadian citizens.
And I always find that when you speak to someone in the country, you learn from what they are doing, irrelevant to whether it's just for that country, you can take away principles and ideas and learn what is happening there. But you put out weekly videos along with your email list, along with everything else on the website. And one of the most recent ones caught my eye. And it was, I think you start looking at education, and then we'll get on to the whole issue of Israel and Hamas, I can't call it Palestine, Israel and Hamas, and what is happening there and how that has affected, we've seen the effect, certainly our media or education system across the board here in the UK, I think it's the same for there. But you begin the video with talking about schooling and education and how the, I guess the state system is indoctrinated. Do you want to just let us know what the situation is. You mentioned home-schooling.
What is the education system like in Canada as you look at it as someone who loves freedom and as a Christian?
It's dire, as it is in our southern friends in America and across the waters to the UK and Europe. I mean, this is a global attack against our kids and against the natural family. And so our education system with Trudeau being fully on board with the UN and the WEF he's just going in lockstep with whatever you know they suggest or demand and so as a signatory state I always say that the UN is an unelected body interfering with our democracy worldwide in western nations we've got to fully pull out of the UN and so with the comprehensive sexual education which I'm sure most of your viewers are very familiar with, it comes by a different name in Canada. It may be SOGI 123 in BC and Alberta.
The Win Sex Ed Plan in Ontario, and by different names in other provinces, Cirque, etc. And so what we did many years ago is, in 2016 is when I became aware about this agenda and the sexualization of our children, the indoctrination, and started to really try to bring attention to it. But Canadians weren't ready to hear it. Oh, people should love who they want to love. And it just needs to be acceptance. And this is an anti-bullying program. And it's like, no, it's much more sinister than that. And so in a way, COVID has been a friend of ours as far as the information war is concerned, because it finally brought to the attention to citizens around the world that were under attack by a globalist, Marxist, communist, whatever you want to call it, agenda and anti-family, anti-Christian, anti-life. agenda.
And so finally, I had about 55,000 members that were signed up with Action 4 Canada when COVID hit, and it pretty much doubled that. And then at some point, I finally stepped out and I started talking to the individuals who hadn't been following me for a while about the LGBTQ sexual activist agenda that had infiltrated our school system. And so when we see, of course, as the other side is starting to lose control. I call it like a tug of war. There's that mud in the middle and the LGBTQ have had a good handle and been pulling us into the mud and our families and our kids. And now that with all of the awareness and all of the work like Action for Canada and organizations and people like yourself, we finally are starting to pull the LGBTQ in the mud and they're losing grip. And so when that's happening though, They want to up their agenda. And they became more aggressive and more transparent. And people in parents, the average parent can't ignore because their children are coming home and saying, I identify as the opposite sex. So what we do as an organization, we're not just there to provide information and scare the bejeebers out of people. We actually want to give them resources and to help them to actively get involved.
So on this subject, we created notices of liability to serve to school boards and trustees and to say that you can't sexualize children and you can't groom them, you can't, you know, extort them, exploit them, etc. And so we have just really been pushing back. And then the other thing we're doing is we have a flyer and I have over 100 chapters nationwide. And so our teams within the communities go to the schools and they actually hand this flyer, this truth bomb into the the hands of parents who are dropping their kids off, you know, going and working two jobs just to put food on the table or pay the rent or the mortgage here in Canada. And so anyways, by that we've created a lot of awareness. And so it's really bad. I'm sure that you've gone and you probably had many special guests on talking about the fact that the programs I did a special in October. It's on my website at the top of political LGBTQ. It's under current issues in our menu. And I proved a whistle-blower had given me a teacher's resource and it was called a teacher's toolkit.
And within that toolkit, it was for ages kindergarten to grade six. And I highlighted in yellow the conversations that they were having with kindergartners, grade one, just dropping that little bit of indoctrination, starting the thought about two genders, how they were nefariously coming in and beginning, starting that allyship. You know, they talk about LGBTQ allies. And in one of them, it even went towards, like, if you're a friend, now this is like grade three, if your friend identifies as the, you know, opposite sex, and their parents don't support them, kind of like, what will you do? And then it says, if your friend identifies as an owl.
How would you respond? And of course, that's the furries. That's the bestiality part of it. You just drop, you know, a little thought like that into a child's brain and it grows. And then they begin to grow with the allyship and turn kids away from their parents and that they're loved and accepted here. year. And then of course, they have the clubs that meet at school, the Gay Straight Alliance clubs. And of course, they're changing those names now because we're on to them. And it has, you know, a bad name. So let's change it to, you know, the Rainbow Club or however it works. So we're finding on mass, it is a 911 crisis in Canada, the amount of kids that are being indoctrinated that are identifying as the opposite sex. I don't believe with one second that there There is one trans child that's a complete and utter lie from the pit of hell.
And so now it's a matter of fighting back. And one of the ways we did that is in Canada is a big country with all the provinces and territories. So I always look at France, right, and the French resistance and, you know, look back at strategies of war and this being an information war. How do you deal with a country with this kind of landmass and get the right information and people mobilized. And so that's where our chapters come in. But one of the things that happened in Saskatchewan, which is a province in the middle of Canada, is that our chapter leader had found out that they were going to put SOGI 123 and implement it last September into the education system. And that's... SOGI is already in BC and Alberta, and it's the ARC Foundation that brought that in, and they want to be in every province across the nation. So we started lobbying the government. We served the notice of liability.
We provided them all kinds of copious information showing the harms that this was causing to children and that they had a duty to prevent harm. And that now that they knew this and had all of this information, they were looking at potential legal actions in the future. Well, by August, they had reversed their decision and they banned SOGI and they banned Planned Parenthood because they had had these sex cards that grade nine kids accidentally got into their hands. And so we lobbied them and said no third parties should have access or teach any sexual health within our schools. And so that's been expanding in New Brunswick. And there's the fight going on in Alberta. We're doing work in the background there as well. And there's a battle going on in Saskatchewan because the LGBTQ.
They are furious that they lost this one. And so as they do, they try to victimize and get in the courts. And I believe we're going to win. And I believe that we're winning this ideological war. I'm very encouraged by what's going on in Europe, in the UK with the Tavistock, what's going on in the United States. 26 states are completely annihilating the LGBTQ, DEI, globalist agenda. So there's lots of progress being made, but it seems to be a ripple effect. Europe and the UK were very much ahead of us on the problems that we're all facing, mass immigration, LGBTQ, DEI, et cetera. Then the United States, it increased when Obama, was sitting president, and then when Trudeau got in is when he started to fast-track these agendas as well. And it's overwhelming what we're being hit with, with the Liberal government and the NDP aligning with them and the Bloc Quebecois. So we're in quite a crisis in Canada, but people are waking up and we've got hope for the future. Things are really turning around.
And that's a massive issue, and I'll leave that to our viewers and listeners to delve deeper. I just want to give a taster because I think that's really essential. But there is another issue that Europe are ahead of the curve, and that's Islamization.
And the EU have traditionally been very anti-Israel. The UK have generally been more supportive of Israel in relation to certainly the rest of Europe. But then we have the current situation sparked off on October the 7th from that horrendous attack into Israel. And you touch on this, and I'd like to maybe expand on this issue, the Canadian response to what has happened there over in Israel.
What's the Canadian government's general response? I'm assuming I kind of know where to pigeonhole Trudeau, but I'll let you tell me. What's the Canadian government's kind of outlook traditionally been on Israel?
Well, under Stephen Harper, Canada was fully in support of Israel. When Trudeau took office, when he was running for office, he was supporting everything and anything that would get him a vote. He's just the most ridiculous man on the face of the earth next to Biden. I think they're competing for that position. And so, yeah, what happened is when that had taken place, I mean, the whole world was shocked and appalled and horrified at the attack and what Islam, well, this is, you know, throughout the Middle East, they've come in, subjugated, overtaken, but through cruelty, every possible country they could. And they're working on the Western nations as well. And it's been no different in Canada. So Trudeau is a traitor.
He is hated by the majority of Canadians. He's a wannabe dictator. And he's made his allegiance to China very clear. He's made his allegiance to Islam very clear. He's made his allegiance to Calestani Sikhs very clear. He is just, you know, he's like he's bipolar. He has multiple personalities. And the whole thing is, you know, it's all falling down on him, because you can't continue to support all these different individuals, because they're all vying for position, and all vying for his attention. And this is a war going on in Canada for our very existence. And so Trudeau turned his back on Israel. When everything came out about UNRWA a few months ago, was it in February?
You know, the United States pulled out their funding right away, Canada, you know, through pressure said they were going to stop funding, they paused, paused funding. But as it turned out, the next payment was in April. And by then he had already lifted it. So as we saw, the tunnels were beneath, underneath UNRWA, no way that they're not involved in these attacks and this war against Israel. We see what they're teaching the children in the school. And so they should be completely defunded. And we're going to be we're working on that. The purpose I'm saying that is Justin Trudeau, prior to this, has funded terrorism. There's a case by Tom Quiggan against him with all the evidence possible to prove that through funding certain Islamic organizations in Canada, those organizations are funding terrorism. No different with UNRWA. So by funding UNRWA, Trudeau is funding terrorism.
And so he's made this. Then he went with voted in favor of the arms embargo, which was a huge turn of events. And that had escalated, I guess, the foundation of where or the legitimacy in the hearts of the Palestinians in Canada. So they feel very much like all this pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist events that are going on in our streets are very similar to, of course, what's going on in Europe and the UK. Hey, we have Naveed Awan. And I mean, he's out there preaching the hate. He hasn't been arrested or locked up. And I think that his time is coming. We've managed to get some of his social media shut down and de-platforming him. And so it is happening.
And so yeah, Trudeau, as far as I'm concerned, he's turned his back on Israel. And as a result, I'm working with a gentleman by the name of Majed El Sheffi from One Free World International, and we started a task force for Israel to change the direction of the support to say, because biblically speaking as a Christian, God says that we're to pray for the peace of Israel, of Jerusalem, and we're to support Israel. That doesn't mean I support Netanyahu. Just like if we had gone at war and America attacked Canada, I would expect the world to be supporting Canadians to say, we support Canada and their right to exist. They don't support a traitor like Justin Trudeau. And so I don't have much, many words about Netanyahu. We don't know the whole story.
But at that point, I 100% believe that Israel has the right to exist. And Israel goes beyond the borders as to what was designated to them.
Israel encompassed so much more land historically than where they are now. So we're very much about proclaiming the truth, countering Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party's position and the NDP. And yeah, so I don't know where you want to go from there as far as Israel is concerned. And as well, I will go a step further that Trudeau is very much, he's going to fail in the next election.
Other than the possibility that they, of course, cheat and do something with the polls. I don't know with this much attention on them how they could do that, but who knows? That's how dictators stay in office, but we've got quite a war. We know that. And so he wants the Muslim vote. He wants the Khalistani Sikh vote. So he is flooding Canada with all of these immigrants, and nobody is expected to integrate and assimilate. And it's it's getting very concerning and so now what he's done is he has promised to bring five to six thousand Palestinians in from Gaza into Canada well back in just..
Let me come down, I just want to, the political side and then I definitely want to get on that because I saw you put up information about that and it's intriguing but what's the, because I know we've had, ages ago, we had Maxime Bernier on, interviewed him, and they have not had the electoral breakthrough we were hoping, maybe the last election. Of course, election cycles come and go, so there's always the future one. But then the Conservatives have changed their leader.
What is the kind of pushback on Trudeau? Are the Conservatives actually, have they decided to be Conservative? Conservative, Maxime Bernier's party, is that going to rise up? Because obviously the NDP have fallen completely in bed with Trudeau. So where is the kind of pushback, the opposition to Trudeau?
We've got a lot of afraid Canadians who are going to vote for the Conservative Party because they so badly want to vote Trudeau out. And we know what that means when you're voting for a party to get somebody out. It doesn't necessarily mean we're going to be in a greater position. Once the Conservative Party gets in, there are good sitting Conservatives, but they've also been infiltrated by globalists, by people from what they refer to as the left, with, you know, an anti
Canadian or anti-Christian viewpoint. And so there are concerns and I'm, actually Maxime's going to be on my show at the end of the month. I was just speaking to him the other day. He's a dear friend. And, I have engaged with Maxime since 2018 is when I first met him personally, met with him in March of 2019, because I wanted to try to help affect the policies of the organization andbe a voice in his ear. So, because I had been working already for four or five years at that point. And I was, it was very clear to me where the Conservative Party had headed, that no matter how many letters we wrote to the Conservative Party, they weren't going to change their view, they weren't going to do the right thing. I mean, they had a majority that, you know, the country was headed in the right direction, but they decided to sign on to some of the, Stephen Harper, he was not actually a friend of Canada's, He was signing on to the Sustainable Development Goals. He had opportunities to appoint judges and senators, and he didn't do that because he was going to appoint some that were LGBTQ friendly, it's reported, and he thought he would lose the election. Well, he ends up losing the election and Justin Trudeau comes in and floods our Senate and the judiciary with activists.
And so even our judicial system here in Canada, as you can imagine, it's hard to get things done. But we have a legal action moving forward with Rocco Galati and we're persisting in that. So anyways, with Maxime Bernier, in supporting Maxime, what we've done is we've changed the trajectory, we've changed the political conversation. Because now Pierre Poilievre, who's the head of the Conservative Party, has had no choice because of the rising grassroots movement in Canada, but to start speaking about the issues that are of concern to us.
Previously, it was the squeaky wheel that gets the attention that was less than 1% of the LGBTQ, less than 1% of the Muslims, but they were working around the clock and very effective. And so it is vital that people get involved. So the political situation is concerning. Pierre Poilievre has come out and he is finally talking about the LGBTQ issue and the concerns with our children. But as an example of where Pierre Poilievre is at, the other day, an MP from Alberta was in a little interview and he was asked, he's pro-life, he's a strong Christian.
And he made it firm that he believes that there should be a law against abortion. And then he was asked if there was a vote regarding same-sex marriage, would you vote against it? And he says, I am, as a Christian, he says, I believe in the traditional family unit. it. Well, not only did the Liberal government, the Liberal Party and the media attack him, but so did Pierre Poilievre. He's such a wimp. I mean, the leaders of the Conservative Party have been so spineless to support what are the traditional values on the Conservative Party's own website. And I've even written to them when Andrew Scheer, I said, you owe, when Andrew Scheer was head of the party, I said, you owe all your members a refund when they voted in same-sex marriage. It says clearly on your website that you support traditional values. This is not a traditional value. And so it is a little concerning still here. But Maxime, he's got so much support. But our problem is that people are afraid to vote for him because they say it'll divide the vote. But it won't. If we get that, I've been having him on and advising. Canadians don't know what the populist movement is. They don't understand nationalism. And so we're educating them on that. And so these big wins in Europe right now are absolutely amazing.
Because I feel it is a look at Canada's future because we're a few years behind you on everything. I feel like we're going to get there. So we're going to continue to support Maxime Bernier and push him into a win. I'm even hoping that some of the conservative MPs will do the right thing and cross the aisle. Step over into the People's Party and help get them ignited so that we can truly take back Canada.
Yeah, I remember having conversations with friends in the media years ago about People's Party of Canada and discussing Maxime Bernier or back when you had barely heard of him. And it was thanks to Valerie Price that she connected me with Maxime as she connected me with you.
So thanks to Val for those connections. But that's the political side. But we touched on the Islamization, and I was at a demo today Well, I didn't mean to be at a demo today. I went to film with Naomi Wolf today outside court. There was a pro-Hamas demonstration, very vocal.
And they were against the LSE, London School of Economics, have got students protesting on this issue. And they want to move them on because they want to get back to education, which is what they're about. And of course, the students have gone to court to fight LSE. And we've seen weekly demonstrations through London. And that's why, as Melanie Phillips calls it, it's Londonistan. But what is it like? Are there demonstrations there? How is it affecting kind of universities and education establishments? Because what I saw today was frightening. Students brainwashed because they couldn't even have a rational conversation. It was just they would shout louder at you and wave their fists in your face. And there's no understanding, no meeting of minds, no conversation. But what is it like in terms of demonstrations, in terms of kind of students being captured by this pro-Hamas ideology?
Right. So it's very similar to what you're facing, America is facing. And I believe these were all sleeper cells that the Muslims had infiltrated Canada, the UK, America, all Western nations for this purpose. And so I believe that October 7th was just not an attack against Israel it was a planned attack as we're seeing unfold real time in front of us and so that these cells were ignited that they were ready to go and that they are being well funded and there are ties that go back of course to George Soros and other philanthropists that hate the world hate life I don't know why with all their desire to lower the world's population, they don't do us all a favor and do themselves. And it's like, put yourself in one of those little euthanasia death pods and let's get her done, right?
Let's make the world a better place. But anyways, yeah, so this is what we're seeing in Canada. This is one of the reasons to go back to education as well. We also have, when we're yelling 911, you know, get your kids out of the education system, home-school them. We have a whole home-schooling page that helps them. We vetted home-school associations across Canada. And we're even advising parents, don't pay to send your kids to university.
You'll never recognize them when they're out. And you already probably need to do a little deprogramming from, you know, how they captured them through their time in public education.
And so this is what we are witnessing here in Canada as well, the protests. And there's, I refer to this fella Naveed, he's a real agitator and a troublemaker here as far as the pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist community. And he had met with a tech college in Ontario. And he ends up posting and celebrating over the fact that they were in the office demanding their financials. This is all part of the diverse. What do they call it?
Boycott BDS boycott. Yeah. Divestment. And so they want to see the financials to see if they're doing any business with any Jewish people in the community, business community or with Israel. And I'm like, how dare you? and and so the there will be teams that will be having conversations to counter that and to go in and say why is it you felt a need to have a conversation with these people and sit down with terrorists you we don't negotiate with terrorists you tell them to get out the door get out the door and then you contact the police and so now we understand what it is that they're doing we're going to be going to these institutions letting them know what their rights are and what they should be doing if terrorists walk in their door, and try to negotiate with them. And I mean, Israel is, it doesn't matter where Trudeau stands on this, Israel is our ally. They're the only democracy in the Middle East. And so we will stand with them, we will support them, and we are working to do whatever we can to counter them and apply a lot of pressure to our police. And to Premier Doug Ford.
He came out and he's a lot of talk. And there's been, of course, a church that just recently burnt down. There has been gunshots at Jewish schools. And so he finally came out and said, you know, this is disgusting. We won't tolerate this. And it's like, what are you going to do, Doug Ford? And, you know, you're a useless talking puppet. Let's see you do some action. And so recently there was last weekend an Israeli march. It takes a march for Israel. It takes place every year. It's annual. And Naveed and his mob, his little mob of terrorists, had decided to try to infiltrate. And the police were very much aware of it. They came out in the masses and they shut it down. And just the fact that we're in this position and living like this in Canada is shocking.
And so, yeah, we're at war. And I'm calling for, I have a petition for a moratorium on immigration. We want to shut down all immigration from Islamic nations. And I want to see all manifestations of Islam shut down in Canada. Every mosque, which are mostly all our tax dollars, are paying to have them monitored 24-7 because they're terrorist cells. And you know the hate that is rising in Canada that's completely associated specifically with the Muslim population and I know that's not politically correct to use the term Muslim people want to use Islamist or Islamist extremists or Muslim extremists but it's it's all the core is Islam this is not a religion of peace, it's a dangerous political system and I'm not sure if you're aware of the, what do they call that the explanatory memorandum that was in the United States, it was found in a second basement in the Muslim in somebody that was high up in the Muslim brotherhood and it was used in one of the largest cases on terrorism in the United States and is in the Muslim brotherhood so it was basically a document.
On how on their plan to infiltrate the west and I'm just going to bring it up here it says in the Muslim brotherhood's own words the process of settlement.
Is a civilization jihadist process with all the word means the Ikhwan Muslim brotherhood must understand that their work in America or Canada UK etc is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and God's, Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions and this is exactly verbatim what they're doing the government, has I did a huge report on all of this our intelligence has reviewed it they told me it's accurate and if it's accurate we've had our intelligence come out, I don't know if you've heard about all of it right now it's a huge topic in Canada about foreign interference in our government and so we have many elected officials at all levels of government with dual citizenship, they need to be ousted. They need to be removed. Many of them are Muslim and Calistani Sikhs. How stupid are we? And because we're so nice, Canadians that we feel nobody should be discriminated against and everybody should be able to, you know, worship their own God. It's like that doesn't work.
Multiculturalism is a complete failure when the host values countries aren't being embraced. And then you tell me where in the 56 Islamic majority countries where I, as a white Christian woman, could sit in office. Tell me how that would work in China, Pakistan, North Korea. In any non-Western, non-Christian nation, tell me where I would be accepted to run for office. So why are we in our Western nations, why are we allowing other citizens from other faiths to run for office? It needs to be stopped all around the, I want to say in every Western nation, UK, because they have infiltrated and they are advancing incrementally their own agenda and trying to shut us down from protecting our sovereignty as a nation. And I'm very upset about that. And I'm not going to be silent. I'm not worried about political correctness. We have a right to protect our borders and to protect our country. And we are a Christian nation. And you come here and you respect that. Or I tell you, we'll pay for a flight and send you back to where you came from. And just on that note, when we're talking, we'll probably lead for a minute to the Palestinians, is that in, I don't know if you saw it, but in Istanbul, Turkey, 1.5 million Muslims came out in support of Palestinians. Wow.
It was just this sea, and they all had red flags, or I don't know what they were carrying. It was sort of from this distance. And I'm like, why aren't we shipping all the Palestinians to Istanbul? What is the purpose that Trudeau is so fixated on bringing Palestinians into Canada that pose us a defined, serious threat?
No, 100%. I want to get on. I just want to reiterate your point that whenever someone talks about Islamists or Islamism, I immediately think, okay, I understand where this conversation is going. You have no idea of your history of Islam. There is no political Islam that's separate from Islam. Islam is political. It's economic. It's cultural. It's every part of it. And at the end, it sticks religion onto it to package it also. 100% with you on that, Tanya. We've had Robert Spencer on numerous times, maybe four or five times, discussing this, along with many other experts in the field of understanding Islam. But it does fit in. You made the comment there, and you mentioned at the beginning about the Palestinian refugees. And of course, if you want Palestine, you can go to Jordan, really. They can go there. It's a big country, and not many people there stick them there. But it seems as though the Islamic world want the Palestinian issue because they can use it to hit Israel. But yeah, Trudeau, why is Canada wanting to bring people from the Middle East all the way over to Canada? It seems mad.
Because his party is dying and he wants the Muslim vote. But I still don't understand the logic there because you can't come into Canada being a non-citizen and vote. And so we've got about a year and four months before our next federal election. And so I imagine he's going to do what Biden is trying to do. They've got a mass invasion going on in the United States and Biden is trying to give them voting privileges and you just can't do that.
We're not going to, we can't sit back and allow this to happen. So I'm not sure what's going on with Trudeau. I think it's even bigger than that because back in February we had a huge win. I think he was talking about it after, not long after, it was almost the day after October 7th is when all of a sudden the world and the media propaganda started coming out against Israel.
And started making it out, like, because they were reacting, you know, that, whoa, whoa, you know, like, what are you doing? Like, there's innocent Palestinians there. And it's like, can we reflect on World War II for a minute? And where in America and Canada and everybody, the Brits came in and bombed Germany to stop Hitler. What about the innocent civilians then that got killed? It's a very unfortunate part of war. But in this war, I mean, it's even more complicated because the the majority of the Palestinians are involved with Hamas. They fully support them. They were hiding the hostages. I mean, they've got tunnels leading into their homes and weapons. And so to have all of this sympathy for them is absolutely propaganda.
And I did a show last night that is in support of, it was very much in support of Israel and trying to continue to constantly bring truth. But Trudeau has done something very shifty. So he started talking in, I think, about December about bringing Palestinians in because to unite them with their families in Canada. And I thought, OK, well, that can't happen because look what the Palestinians are doing in our streets. They pose a significant threat to us as citizens. So that doesn't make sense. And so then I started going to work in the background with Majed. We started meeting with high-ranking officials in Israel to say, if you start shipping Palestinians into the West, who are you going to have left as allies?
Look at the mess that Europe and the UK are in because they didn't shut their doors. And I know that, thank God, that Macron is going to be removed and Merkel is still a danger, but she's out and things are really, really changing. But you guys have quite a mess to clean up in deporting those people that illegally invaded your country. Well, we're being invaded in a much more nefarious way. Trudeau is giving them the red carpet. There are plane loads of people coming in. And, you know, it's very under the radar. So the average Canadian doesn't see what's going on. But now, all of a sudden, you're looking around and all these women are wearing hijabs. And I was in, and I don't want to say it by the color of our skin, because my God doesn't care about the color of your skin. He cares about the condition of the heart. But this was a European nation, white, white Christians. And there's nothing wrong with that. If so, then let's start complaining about the fact that, you know, Islam is filled with brown people. Like, how can you berate European nations for having white people? So it's part of a plan. And it's part of to destroy the democracies that we have. But it's all based on Christianity. That's why we were successful.
And so we're seeing it really unfold here in Canada.
It is a white replacement. I'm just going to come out and say it. That is the strategy. And so we ended up, they agreed. And so they said plus it's very hard to truly vet these individuals and uh you know allow them to leave that's something people can't wrap their heads around is that Palestine is not a state it is a district within Israel so they are under the Israeli government officials direction and so anyways we got that shut down headlines literally said by Mark Miller our immigration minister, that he was pissed off for the fact that things weren't moving along. Same title for Justin Trudeau. We never made it public back then. We've only just made this public that this is the work that Action 4 Canada, along with One Free World International, has been working on. So Trudeau was so fixated that there was a news headline last week that said, first Gazans come to Canada. So Majed is in Israel right now. I'm going, okay, what's happened? What's going on here? He's lying. How is this happening? Well, it ends up even in the article that this family, and of course it's a picture perfect family coming out with their small children and an infant.
The poster family from Palestine, not what's potentially coming out of there. And the headline said Gazan's come, but within the article, it said that they had paid to be smuggled into Egypt.
So why is Trudeau, who is he dealing with now and negotiating with? It's not the Israeli government. Is he negotiating with the Egyptian government? Who is he negotiating with and why is he doing this? And that was part of the special investigative report I did last week and last night as well, which will be available today on our Rumble page. But something very concerning is going on. And with this huge announcement in these last weeks, I mean, it was already in 2019, the head of our intelligence committee that provides a very in-depth report saying that Canada is under severe threat of foreign interference to the point that our very sovereignty and our chart of rights is under threat. And that's David McGinty that provided that report and his team. Well, he just came out with a new report. And of course, you can compound that over five years as to how much more grave and serious the matter has become. And so the foreign interference has now said that we've got sitting MPs that have been confirmed, have been dealing with foreign interference, and they're refusing to provide those names. And they might not do it until after the next election. Well, that's wrong.
And that there are countries that they're dealing with other than they name China and Russia and other countries and they won't name the other countries. Well, who are you... Importing, potentially from those nations, that we should have absolutely zero immigration from, because that could pose a further risk. So yeah, we have terrorists walking our streets, our doors are open. And that's why I started this by saying, Trudeau is 100% guilty of treason. And he needs to be charged and put away forever, put away forever, along with Chrystia Freeland and Mark Miller and his team.
Are there actually any Canadians left in Toronto? I don't know. It's been a while since I was there. It's been actually, yeah, it's been a while since I was there. It's terrible. Yeah, it's really scary. I mean, people don't feel safe going out and it's the whole GTA, Greater Toronto area, but it's not there. I mean, I live in Surrey and it's become pretty much the second capital of Calistani Sikhs from around the world. They don't have a real home and so Canada is this easy open door for immigration. So they've decided to set up camp here. We have the second largest Vaisakhi parade in the world here in Surrey.
The Islamists are now being, Muslims are now being flooded into Surrey as well. There's reports that because, you know, they get money, some of them up to $84,000 a year with all of the benefits the government is giving them. Our elderly can't make ends meet. We've got disabled and they're offering them all euthanasia so they don't have to pay their pensions I mean I did a special last night with Angelina Ireland on euthanasia in Canada and how it's expanding and it's incrediblyserious the vaccine injured, a woman is paralyzed from the neck down four times she has been offered to be euthanized, it was directly related to this mRNA gene therapy and then we've got veterans calling the veteran helpline who are being offered to be euthanized and so we're being replaced with in immigration we're being flooded with extremists andthe Trudeau is trying to take awaylaw-abiding gun owners to take away their guns and so we're like we're not giving them up and if anything we need to expand them because I was going to mention that I think it was last year on a bus that goes it's kind of a major route that's a couple of blocks away. And a guy yelled Allah Akbar and slit at a guy's throat on the bus.
So normally we would hear about that happening in London and, you know, in England. And here we are in Canada. And as well, they're trying to cover that up as far as the news reports and the police are concerned, because the government doesn't want Canadians to see that this flood of immigrants is not a good idea because the minority of the population are responsible for a majority of the crime. And we're talking serious crime.
Can I... The term Islamization, can I... How it fits in there? Because...
Canada is large, but it's also you've got a French part and you've got an English part. And most countries don't have that sort of separation. Maybe in Belgium you have it with Flemish and the German speaking. But actually you don't normally see that. And the French have traditionally been very proud of their culture. Is there pushback to mass immigration, Islamization in the French part? Or has it been across the board that Canada has capitulated?
Well, it's interesting you say that because we only have one province that's official French, and that's Quebec.
And the Bloc Quebecois had passed a bill, I can't remember when they did a couple of years ago, against any kind of religious symbols. And so women weren't allowed to wear the hijab. But that also meant that Quebec was strongly Catholic. And so as a Catholic province, all of a sudden, you know, they're saying that crosses also need to be taken down. And I think that they need to very clearly define as a Christian nation we're going to wear all the crosses we want and our education is only going to involve any kind of religious education will be Christian from the Bible and Macron in Quebec I just talked about euthanasia he's very much a globalist and it's very concerning and they have one of the highest euthanasia rates within their province as well.
And so there is pushback against the Muslims in Quebec, but not to the degree that's needed. And so it's questionable, the premier in that province and what they're doing. But I would say the majority of the problem is nationwide.
And it's not like one province is shutting down. Now, what I will tell you is that I was just listening to John Rustad, and we're going to have a provincial election in British Columbia in October. And the NDP and the Liberals are just, even provincially, they're lost. Like, they've lost their minds. They're filled with these ideologies and globalists. It's like mental illness has taken over within our government positions. And David Eby, John Horgan stepped aside. I think it was getting too hot for him. He's named in our legal action against the BC and federal governments regarding the COVID measures. And anyways, so David Eby was our Attorney General and he stepped into the position as Premier.
And, and, any, so the election is coming up and they're losing. So John Rustad is head of a new BC Conservative Party, not tied to the federal Conservatives. And he's in line with removing SOGI 123. But today, he even said, we're going to address immigration. Immigration and I was just sitting there going, doing you know like this little dance it's like wow did I just hear John Rustad say that meanwhile a province over you have Daniel Smith who took over for a globalist Jason Kenney and I think they're doing this good cop bad cop they're removing an elected official taking out the bad cop putting it in with the good cops so that people don't really realize what's going on Daniel Smith is moving forward on parental policies and some good policies, but to get elected, she ended up implementing approving halal banking to get the Muslim vote because the Muslims were lobbying her.
And so, I mean, that's approving Sharia law. And so we're going to be working to overturn that. I mean, we need to clean up our whole government. We need to remove all the Muslims. We need to remove the Sikhs. If you're not fully pro-Canada and that's where your interests are, then I'm sorry, you're in the wrong country. We'll pay that one-way ticket for you to sell your things and leave. I'd be happy to do that. But yeah, that's the kind of mess we're dealing with. But that populist movement, the nationalist movement is really picking up in Canada. And there is very good indication that John Rusted is going to win the election in British Columbia. And that will be massive. I've met with John as well and had dinner with him and discussed some of these things. and there's other good people who are speaking in his ear as well. And so once that takes place, it's going to start to have this, again, a stronger ripple effect for other provinces that will also be having elections in the near future.
Yeah, well, all the things you mentioned, we've got here. It was David Cameron, Conservatives in 2010 brought in same-sex marriage and made London the premier centre for Islamic finance of the West. And that's where we are now. My last thought, you talked about some leaders pushing back because they have an understanding of what it means for the nation state and what it means to be Canada. Is any of that coming from a Christian viewpoint? because I know certainly in the UK we've very few politicians now have any claim to being a Christian and that's certainly a no-no very different from the us where it's still it's still a thing really for many politicians to talk about going to church and and their faith in the UK we don't in Canada is any of the pushback coming from a belief in God, Christian faith or is it just coming from a concern at what's happening, crushing out Canadian culture?
Well, it's moving in that direction. John Rusted, when I spoke with him, he professes to be a Christian, but he's keeping that Christianity sort of under a rock. And part of it is because, you know, the voting, we don't want to, you know, not have the Muslims or the calisthenics, you know, vote for him, even though all of his policies are exactly what those groups of people would want. And but the press the press is there for them to start speaking more on those issues and there's for instance uh the premier of New Brunswick was the first one last year to come out on the rights of parent policies I was shocked and startled and pleased that uh he was doing this his premier Premier Higgs, when I spoke with him last year, I had an opportunity to meet with him in person. I said, could you tell me when exactly it is that you made this decision?
What caused you to say, I need to start making decisions on parental policies and start shutting down the LGBTQ? And he professes as well to be a Christian. And he said to me, it was, oh, yeah, it was around April. Well, what Action 4 Canada was doing is every year, it was our first, it was the first year we did that.
We just finished our second annual seven-week prayer walk for revival. Bible. And all of our chapter leaders and teams across Canada are going to legislatures, to school boards, to municipalities, and we're praying and walking seven times around these buildings, praying for our leaders, praying for our country, and praying for these demonic ideologies to be demolished, all of these strongholds to come down. Well, he had the idea implanted in his heart exactly when we started the prayer walks. So I give the glory to the Lord for much of what is taking place in Canada. I believe that God is being very gracious to us. All of our countries had turned our back on God in the sense that we were not caring enough about who we were putting in office.
What is the heart of this individual? I don't want to hear somebody is a Christian by lip service running for office. What is the fruit in their life? Is there evidence of it in their life? Are they honest? Do they have integrity? Are they fighting the right causes? Does it align with biblical principles? And God has said, anytime throughout history, when you turn your back on God, man, your country is going to come under severe opposition and oppression. So unlimited abortion in Canada, we're one of the only developed countries that doesn't have an abortion law. We are voted in same-sex marriage and sexual depravity. Well, that only takes root and it goes, it doesn't have a limit. And so from there, it went after our kids. And then as well, we didn't respect the top two commandments that you shall have no other gods before me and no idols. And so we've got, we have a right to,
If we're going to honor God, we just say, yes, Lord, and let him do the rest. And we're making that happen. We will shut down all manifestations of Islam in Canada. We will shut down these false teachings. And so more elected officials, as we're having these private conversations with them, are seeing the validity in that.
Maxime Bernier, since I had first met with him in 2018, he would have called himself a libertarian. He's a nationalist, a populist but he's also a Christian now he also gave his life to the Lord and so he is evolving in his understanding of what the spiritual battle is in Canada and he is acting accordingly and you know he's a newer Christian so he may not be out there.
Professing it but I'm seeing it in the works I'm seeing it in what he is doing and so to your viewers, I would just really encourage you, whether you're a Christian or not you can see that even as a non-Christian, living in a Christian nation allowed you more freedoms and democracy than you will have in any of those other non-Christian nations that I've mentioned. They may, some of them, not many of them may be a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there because most of it, these people, these good people living in those nations are living under the thumb of oppression. And we had freedoms when we were caring about who was in office. And so we just need to return to that. We need to return to biblical principles and living a pure and honest life.
A perfect place to end it. And as you have, He is risen. It's about not hiding your light under a bush, as we are told in Matthew, but letting it shine forth. And we are, whoever you are, whether you're watching as someone just private figure or whether you're a public figure, let your light shine. Tanya, thank you so much for joining us. And I know that people can go to actionforcanada.com, sign up to those emails, and also make sure they're following you on Twitter. So thanks so much for joining us and giving us an update, not only what's happening in Canada, but where your work fits in that. So thank you.
And thank you, Peter, for having me on. And I want to join you in a shout out to our good friend Valerie Price. I love her dearly.
There's only one Val. She's awesome. Thank you so much, Tanya.
Thank you. See you again. Bye.

Kevin Sorbo - Hollywood's Rebel: A Candid Journey of Faith and Film from Hercules to Reagan

Show Notes and Transcript
We are honoured to welcome Kevin Sorbo to Hearts of Oak. He is known for his roles in Hollywood, and he joins us to discuss two new, 'must see' Christian based films that are coming in August, Firing Squad and Reagan, and his career, highlighting his faith as a driving force. Kevin shares insights into overcoming challenges with faith and family support, his stance on conservative beliefs and his production company Sorbo Studios for family-friendly films are also discussed. He expresses criticism towards COVID-19 control measures and social media censorship. His dedication to faith-based films, such as 'God's Not Dead,' and advocacy for upholding beliefs in the industry are emphasized. The conversation also touches on societal and political topics like cancel culture, education, and climate change, promoting balanced perspectives. Kevin's future projects, interactions with figures like Donald Trump, and his endeavours in promoting authentic storytelling and historical accuracy are explored. This podcast encourages informed citizen participation in shaping the future and covers various personal anecdotes and societal issues.
REAGAN in theaters nationwide August 30   reaganmovie.comStarringDennis Quaid, Kevin Sorbo, Jon Voight, Penelope Ann Miller, Mena Suvari and Lesley-Anne Down 
THE FIRING SQUAD In theaters nationwide August 2  firingsquadfilm.comStarring James Barrington, Kevin Sorbo and Cuba Gooding, Jr.
Kevin David Sorbo was born in Mound, Minnesota, on September 24, 1958, At the end of 1986, he settled in Los Angeles. Kevin began to make guest appearances on such popular shows as Murder, She Wrote (1984). Kevin was a natural for the title role in what would become his signature series Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (1995). Kevin became internationally famous, and he learned the craft of film-making well enough to direct and co-write some of the episodes. Kevin even studied martial arts in order to do many of his own stunts. In real life, Kevin’s heart is as big as Hercules’– he leads “A World Fit for Kids!” as the chair and spokesperson. Kevin devotes much of his time to “A World Fit For Kids!” which is a successful mentoring model that trains inner-city teens to use school, fitness, sports and positive role models for themselves, and then become the coaches and mentors for younger children. In 1998, Kevin married lovely actress Sam Sorbo, best known for her dual role on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (1995) as Serena/the Golden Hind
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to have Kevin Sorbo with us today. Kevin, thank you so much for your time.
(Kevin Sorbo)
My pleasure.
Good to be here, sir.
Great to have you.
And obviously people can follow you @KSorbs on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it.
And it's always fascinating looking into the background of guests.
And I had no idea you'd starred in over 150 commercials.
I kind of see you as in the movie sector, in Hollywood. but 150 commercials and then over 100 films and TV shows and a voiceover in obviously many video games.
And of course, you first shot the stardom back in the 90s in Hercules.
And more later, you've, I guess, become known as a Christian in Hollywood for your role in God's Not Dead.
And then we'll get on to the latest one, the latest two coming up, actually, Regan film where you play president Regan's pastor and the firing squad which I saw you discussing the firing squad and that intrigued me, but I actually never saw Hercules it wasn't something I actually saw when was younger.
It's more your faith your Christian faith and how that's engaged with with the whole Hollywood industry but I mean that happened as a break art rule.
You weren't a kid, you were a bit older.
I'm wondering how you were ready for that fame.
What was that like?
Fame with Faith-Based Movies or Hercules?
No, back in Hercules, because that was the breakout. So what was the fame like?
Yeah, you know, initially it was going to be five two-hour movies, and it was part of a thing called the Action Pack Wheel at Universal Studios.
And it was Hercules, it was Tech Wars, which Shatner was producing and directing on. It was Vanishing Sun, which is sort of a Kung Fu thing.
They had BJ and the Bear, which was a big movie or a TV series at one time.
They're going to make movies out of it.
And there was one other thing.
I can't remember what it was.
But anyway, that's what it's going to be, five two-hour movies down in New Zealand.
It was fantastic to be down there.
Anthony Quinn played Zeus.
So, I got a whole year working with, you know, Anthony Quinn from the golden age of Hollywood. You know, the guy was nominated six times for Oscars, won twice.
And then halfway through the third movie, I get a call from my manager and said, Universal Studios loves what they see.
They want to try to make it a TV series.
Well, by season three, we were in 176 countries and became the most watched TV show in the world, which is crazy.
And it ran for seven years.
It's still out there in like 50 countries even to this day. I still get fan mail coming in through Sorbo Studios.
That's always a good place to go, sorbostudios.com.
But after that, I went straight into Andromeda and being a huge fan of the original Star Trek series through reruns.
When Majel Roddenberry, Gene's widow called me up and said, you know, Gene wrote this show back in 1969.
And if he were still around today, I think he'd be honored to have you as the first captain he ever created after Captain Kirk.
So, I had five years on that show, shooting in Vancouver, Canada.
So, I was pretty much out of America from 1993 till 2005, living in either New Zealand or Canada.
And then I just started doing a bunch of independent movies.
And that's kind of how the road sort of brought to where I am today.
But it was sort of forced on me in a way because Hollywood, my manager and agent of decades, both said they couldn't work with me anymore about 10, 11 years ago because of what I was posting on the Internet.
I said, oh, you mean the truth?
was posting the truth on the Internet. God forbid you do that in today's world, apparently.
So, I formed Sorbo Studios and said, I'm going to do movies that Hollywood used to do.
They don't necessarily have to be faith movies, but just family-friendly and movies that have a good message instead of this woke crap that Hollywood wants to keep forcing down our throats.
So, Hollywood booted me out. Apparently being a conservative is a horrible thing, but being a Christian in Hollywood is even worse.
I'd be better off being a paedophile Islamic radical terrorist, and I'd probably get an Oscar for playing that in a movie.
That does tick a few boxes, I understand.
You had a health crisis back whenever you were filming Hercules.
You had multiple strokes.
What was that like?
Because you obviously fought through that.
You've come through stronger than ever.
But what was that like at the time?
Because you don't know what's happening to yourself if that is happening, that health issue.
No, no, look, I'm everything opposite of what stroke victims have.
They're overweight, alcohol, high blood pressure, All kinds of different things everything I was opposite of that.
I was pretty ripped up on her Achilles ears I was in great shape, but I had an aneurysm way up here in my my left sub-clavicle.
I didn't know about I always had weird things sort of feeling in the arm I couldn't figure what's going on, but ultimately that didn't being the problem when it opened up It sent hundreds of clots in tomorrow, but unfortunately a series of four clots from my brain and obviously very lucky I wasn't killed or paralyzed rest of my life, but it took me four months to really learn how to walk and balance again.
I got my speech back fairly quickly, thank God.
I still have a 10% loss of vision in both eyes, in the upper right quadrants of both eyes. So, yeah, it was brutal.
It sucked, you know, because my career was really taken off. I just done my first big-budget movie called Call the Conqueror, which was the prequel to Conan the Barbarian.
And we shot that for like $40 million over in Eastern Europe.
So, yeah, it was a little frustrating. that this was taking place.
And it obviously hurt me within the Hollywood world in terms of doing movies anymore, but they kept the Hercules going.
I went from a 15, 16 hour day to about a three hour day just to try to keep the show going in any kind of way.
But I appreciate that because it was, to me, it motivated me and gave me some light at the end of this really long, dark tunnel.
I wrote a book.
It's called True Strength.
People can pick up a copy.
It did very well in its first printing.
And my wife and I did a follow-up book called True Faith.
And all of a sudden, I got started doing all these speaking events, which I thought I'd never be doing.
I do about 12 to 15 speaking events a year now for the last 12 years.
I've already done five this year.
I've got another seven lined up.
So, it's sort of a sideline job for me that I never thought I'd be doing.
It's been quite interesting.
But the book is very motivational for people to stop blaming the world for your problems.
God never promises an easy life.
We'll always have obstacles.
How do you get past those obstacles?
The book has a lot of humor in it, it's autobiographical, and it's just, I think it's a good ride.
It surprised me how well it went over the people.
Obviously, you had two focals for you that helped you through that.
You had, I think you were just a newly engaged at that time.
I was.
But you had, and I've met Sam numerous times, and she has a strong character.
And obviously, you need that whenever you're going through that.
But then your faith.
I mean, tell us about kind of those two and how they work together to pull you through that difficult situation.
Well, I think I went through what most people go through and they have something like that happen to them, because I think more than the physical aspect of it, the psychological aspect was huge for me because everything was cruising pretty well for me.
And I was starting to break in to be the next big action hero guy for Universal Studios, sort of replacing Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And to have that happen to me, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went through that, you know, God, why me, you know, sort of thing.
But, you know, the faith was there.
I mean, I never stopped believing.
I never stopped, you know, questioning what happened to me.
Sam was tough.
She's a top Pittsburgh, New York, New York gal.
And every time I got down, she said, Kevin, it happened.
What are you going to do about it?
You know, so it was like, yeah, you know, stop blaming the world for your problems.
The reality is look in the mirror.
That's where you got to start.
And I kept saying to myself every day, I'm getting better.
I'm getting stronger every day.
I kept saying to myself and I pushed through it.
The first first two years really did suck.
I'll be honest about it.
I always said I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
And I go, I don't know, I'd give it to the Taliban.
They can have it.
But yeah it's like I just...
The third year sort of started really some good things started happening I started getting some good hope and a lot it just really sort of the, recovery accelerated I still have side effects that I know like I said the blind I have spot and have each I'll be playing ping pong with my kids and sometimes the ball just disappears so that you know quarter of a second.
So, I use that as an excuse so I didn't return the ball, but I still have balance issues that most people wouldn't be able to see because I still work out every day.
I do cardio every day. I lift every day. Not like I did in Hercules, but I still work out every single day.
I've already got my work on this morning before talking to you.
And yeah, so to me, it's like you just got to fight on.
ad things happen.
That's the way life is.
But I looked at it as a positive instead of a negative to push beyond and make myself better.
I think the only other concerted Christian involved in Hollywood.
I've ever sat on and talked to is Dwight Schultz.
And he told me about his struggles as a Christian supporting Reagan, specifically that story and how he was kind of ostracized soon after.
And you've talked about your faith and being cancelled because of that.
Tell us more about that and why you choose God over career.
Career because for some people that could be a difficult choice.
Oh, no question.
Look every movie I've been doing so I do about four or five movies independent movies a year.
I've already shot two this year I got three more lined up and every movie I've been doing like I said about six last six seven years I I'll get another actor maybe, I'll get a director, I'll get a lighting person, I'll get a makeup, whatever they come up to me privately and say hey they look around like we're doing a drug deal.
I say, hey, thanks for being a voice for us.
And I'm going, you know, be a voice for yourself.
People, but fear is an amazing weapon, you know, and every government in every country used it to control their lives during COVID, right?
Every government used fear to control their lives.
And I got taken, I lost 4 million followers on Facebook because I was posting the truth about COVID.
I was posting what doctors in Europe were saying or doctors in other countries, really just saying, look what they're saying.
Why can't we look at both sides of this?
Why is ivermectin bad for you?
Everything that I posted that they called misinformation or conspiracy theories, of course they all came true. And where is that Wussy Zuckerberg and my 4 million followers again?
You know, these guys, they're just, they use it to control our lives.
And there's so many people, I mean, I travel a lot and I still see that 1% still wearing masks. So they wear their liberal banner on their sleeve.
And I want to stop them and not laugh at it, but I want to say, okay, you see 99% of the people around here not wearing masks.
What goes through your brain when you're still covering your face?
I mean, I want to find out that answer.
I really do, because it's just incredible that the fear factor has been controlling so much of everything in the world.
Now, you saw what New Zealand did, their prime minister.
You saw what they did in Australia.
It was bad enough here in America.
We got the heck out of Dodge.
We left we left California about a year and a half before this whole thing even started.
We've been in Florida now for five and a half years and we barely wore masks here.
The only time I really wore a mask in Florida is when I went to the airport and I'd have to be 10 people coming up to me that worked at the airport to say, please put your mask on before I finally did it.
And then when I got on airplanes, I would have a bag of beef jerky and take it down and I'd eat for two hours.
So, I found ways to get around this stupid thing.
And now we realize even Fauci came out and said the six foot thing was made up.
We all knew that. And the masking didn't do anything.
And we all knew that.
But guys like Fauci and Bill Gates should be in prison for what they've done to the world because we're still seeing those shots played out what they're doing to people's lives every single day, what it's doing.
Anyway it's horrific what they did and they don't care they did it on purpose.
Yeah, it's never ending and I find whenever I look at someone wearing a mask as they're walking down the footpath or sidewalk for you my kids say: no, no, no, just move on move on, don't get involved.
You only get involved I get that.
Yeah, I do, I want to say something but I just oh my god you know what let them live in their in let them live in their fear what a horrible way to go through life every single day and ahh.
But the world has changed forever because of it now.
Oh, completely. Let me jump forward to you doing God's Not Dead in 2020, 2014 and literally that newsboy song is just it's fixed in my head I think everyone knows that song god's not dead.
You in that were a professor and this whole with the students standing up for their faith and whether they will stand up or bend over.
And a lot of maybe individuals, especially younger people in the education system, think, actually, it's easier.
I'm here to get an education.
My faith can be sidelined. But that was a hugely successful film on a low budget.
Big turnover coming in what was that kind of seemed to be a turning point for you or give you the I guess the ability to stand up and say actually this has given me the options now of doing more wholesome Christian-based films.
I mean tell us about that the film and then actually being a success and being told actually this won't work and yet it actually turning out very well yeah well.
I'm gonna go back to even a bit earlier with that I've been a Christian my whole life I've been a conservative my whole life first time I could vote, it was 1980.
I was old enough to vote.
I voted for Ronald Reagan, but that's another story.
But I got to say in Hercules, even though it was a mythological show, it wasn't biblical in any way.
The writers, which I had nothing to do with it.
Sure, I made my calls as, hey, can we try this?
Can we do that?
So, yeah, but they even wrote moral messages within Hercules.
Hercules never looked for fights.
I'll try to talk people out of it. We put a lot of humor in it because we needed to, because it'd be a show, otherwise it'd be easy to make fun of it.
So, we really like, wink, wink, let the audience in and have a good time.
But they put a lot of moral messages in there.
I like that.
So, if I go back a couple years before I did God's Not Dead, I did a movie called What If.
I've shot about 90 movies.
And I would put What If in my top three.
And What If was written by the same guys who did God's Not Dead.
In my book, What If is a much better movie.
And God's Not Dead is a very good movie.
But it shows you the independent world and how we got to get lucky.
We need word of mouth.
You know, when you're shooting budgets of two, three million dollar movies, that's catering budget in Pirates of the Caribbean.
They have three hundred million dollar budgets, a hundred million dollar advertising budget. And we got to compete against that.
So, when when I did “What If” and that the reason that even happened, the guy who gave me the script to read is a good friend of mine, Dallas Jenkins.
Well, Dallas now is huge with The Chosen.
And Dallas Jenkins is the son of Jerry Jenkins, who was the co-author with Tim LaHaye for the “Left Behind” books that were huge back in the 90s and my latest movie last year, I had two movies that I directed last year, one was called Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist.
So, I knew that that was the kind of movies I wanted to do when I did What If?
So, that was through Pure Flix, Pure Flix came to me two years later and said: hey we got this other movie and, don't know if you're interested.
You got to play a pretty bad guy.
I always joked I played an atheist college professor, which is redundant.
All you have to do is say college professor and you got that covered already.
But I read the script and I said, yeah, I want to play this.
I know people like this.
But what I liked about that story, even though I was a bit of a jerk, there's redemption.
And I like movies that have redemption at it.
They say, look, no matter how bad your life is, how bad things are going for you, there's still a chance in your life to become a good person.
And that drew me to that story.
And that little $2 million movie, talk about word of mouth. That thing made almost $70 million just in U.S. box office alone.
It made $140 million worldwide with streaming and DVD sales and merchandise and everything.
So, that movie was just crazy. And to me, and from there, I did Let There Be Light that Sam wrote and I directed.
Miracle in East Texas. Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist.
My gosh, Abel's Field.
I mean, I've done a lot of movies in that vein, but they don't all have to be, like I said, faith-based.
I mean, I think every movie is a faith-based movie.
If you're an atheist, pretty strong faith to believe in absolutely nothing.
Kind of sad way to go through life in a way, but I think I just want to do movies that are more of a positive message instead of a negative one, and that's what I've been doing ever since.
No, with my friends who are atheists, I always say I could never have your faith to believe in nothing and look at the complexity of the universe.
It's an impossible end to looking at the world.
So, yes, I agree.
Sorbo Studios, how did that come about?
Because it's probably easier just to be in the industry, to get paid as an actor, to actually set out and start that yourself.
Yourself is is probably it's quite a thing because you're going against you're providing something different and you're going against the grain.
How did that start and tell us a little bit about that?
Well, it really came off when Hollywood gave me the boot, because I still love the industry.
I love the creative process, I love being on the set, I love directing.
I started directing back my hierarchy of these years.
So, Sam and i talked about it I said let's form Sorbo studios.
We're very fortunate that we do get funded every so often, but a lot of the movies that come my way are from other independent producers and movie makers.
They look, I've got this role.
We are funded.
We'd love you to play in this role.
So, in fact, the three movies I'm filming later this year are all coming in from different indie producers.
So, every time I've raised money for my own movies, when I send my own scripts that came to me that people want me to be the production house of it, it's always been a God thing.
And I've got a very important meeting this weekend.
I got a gentleman flying in from Atlanta to meet with me here at my house.
And they've already offered us a three-year picture deal that if it does come true, this will be a godsend.
So, I feel so highly confident about this, because I know the guy's real, because I know a couple of the people behind him.
And if this does happen, we'll know by Saturday night for sure.
And that'll fund three of my movies for the next three years.
So, it's nine movie package.
And so Sam and I are freaking out because we've got amazing scripts that are in that $3 million to $5 million range.
And that to me is, look, I get stopped every day, whether it's at the grocery store, whether it's at the airport, the lobby of a hotel, and people say: "we love what you're doing."
We know that you got kicked out of Hollywood.
We know that you get attacked.
But we know if we see a Kevin Sorbo name on a movie, it's a movie I can bring my family to.
So that to me is high praise.
And, yeah, I could have kissed butt in Hollywood and kept my mouth shut, but I don't care.
I don't like the road they're going down.
I don't like the stuff they're putting out there.
I don't understand this woke agenda, this cancel culture world.
We've created this massive divide here in the world, not only in America, but around the world.
And we got so much anger and hate coming out, especially from the left.
I mean, I don't know how they live their lives like that.
They hate themselves for kind of, you look at Antifa, they cover their faces.
They're like terrorists.
I call them just a bunch of cowards.
They feel brave when they got another hundred of them with them.
But I would love to do a documentary on their lifestyle.
I would love to get them unmasked and talk about their lives and I bet there's a common denominator with each one of them and I got a feeling that that common denominator is not a very happy life growing up and leading into where they are now as adults.
Well, I was just on The Legal Entity today about doing some work on a similar organization we have here, the most art-spoken Antifa-like.
So, it definitely has to be done. But you're, I mean, Chris, you kind of look around, especially when you have kids, and you see what they're watching.
And you think, actually, it wasn't like this in my day.
You know, 12 meant something.
Now, whoa, what's that doing?
And it's the difficulty of parents allowing their children to consume media.
And parents sometimes feel powerless.
I mean, as a Christian parent, then, you want this to happen because you're a parent, because you're a Christian.
But also you want to make a difference in the industry.
Tell us about the options there are for parents who are concerned about what their kids are watching and consuming.
[Well, as you know my wife's a big home-school advocate and I know she told you you should be homeschooling as well.
I know
But you know, it's to us it's I think one of the blessings of Covid is that two million more families are now home-schooling, because they woke up and looked to see my god look at the school boards, look at our education system.
We all knew new American education has been falling down.
It's been falling since the 1960s.
It's just accelerated on itself since then.
We took the Bible out of school in 1964.
Look where we are now.
I think most of the kids, adults 30 years old and younger down to grade school level, have just been indoctrinated by our school system.
We're rewriting history, or they are rewriting history, and we're allowing it. We're tearing down statues of our forefathers.
I mean, I look at this and go, every country has good and bad history.
Every country does.
And to sit there and not, this is where history repeats itself when you forget it, right?
We're not teaching history in school anymore.
We don't teach civics here in America anymore, because we don't want children to learn earlier that it's we the people. And it's not we the people anymore.
Our government thinks they're God.
That's the thing.
They don't believe in God.
They think they're God.
One of the first things they did when COVID hit is what?
Shut down the churches.
Church God is not essential.
But liquor stores and strip clubs they left open they closed down all these little stores that you know, five generations little grocery stores in some corner of some big city close it down, but keep Costco open, keep target open, keep all these other major...
What's going on?
It's all about money, it's all about power, it's all about control.
We got Chinese buying up hundreds of acres of our farmland.
We've got Bill Gates doing the same thing, because they want us all to eat bugs now because occasionally, apparently farting cows are destroying the atmosphere.
I mean, don't get me going on climate change.
Yes, climate does change.
It's called seasons. I
t's called weather.
Don't get me going on this crap.
I can bring in, for every scientist they bring in saying the world's coming in because of climate, I can bring in another scientist and say the totally opposite thing.
But we don't ever let the other side speak up.
I did a documentary called Climate Hustle 2, and they won't even let it show on Amazon anymore.
It's just it's so silly and so petty but it's all about money.
That's why you can't talk about these things on the networks or even on cable, because who owns all that?
Oh, Pfizer does there's a Pfizer commercial and every every cable in television show all the time.
It's just it's it's crazy what we're doing and people are sheep in this country, we need to wake the sheep up somehow.
The lions better wake up to and.
A hundred percent.
And you don't hold back. I mean, I see you don't hold back, but when I follow you on Twitter, you speak your mind.
My Twitter account's funny.
Go to @KSorbs Follow me on Twitter.
I know, but tell me.
You saw my one.
You saw the one I said, you want to get rid of COVID.
Tell the Clintons COVID's got something on them.
It's so good, but you don't, I mean you get people in the in the public eye maybe hold back and decide actually my career and this may affect it, you don't give a damn and you really want to speak your mind.
I mean did you not make a kind of balance a judgment call on actually I've got a career should I speak my mind?
How does that fit together because you speak truth and you don't hold back.
Well, I didn't even think about it to be honest with you.
I remember years ago, I was at I was at a, it was like 2008 or nine.
And I was at a, I was at the Emmy Awards and with the Governor's Ball afterwards, we're heading to the ball.
And Tom Selleck walked up to me, who's a conservative and he's not just as vocal as I am.
And he told me I better tone down my rhetoric.
And I went, this is 2008.
I said, what do you mean tone down my rhetoric?
I didn't think, you know, I didn't think Barbara Walters like 10 feet in front of me, you know.
What am I doing that's so wrong?
I didn't quite get it.
And my wife kept warning me, Sam kept saying, they're gonna blacklist you, Kevin.
I said, but I'm not saying anything horrible.
I'm just saying, hey, isn't this great Ronald Reagan quote, what he said about abortion when he said, I've noticed everyone who's for abortion has already been born.
I think that's an awesome quote for that.
And all of a sudden that was negative stuff. I said, this is so weird.
You know, Peter I want to meet these people.
I need to meet these people that cancel you, cancel me, they need to come talk to us, because obviously they have led perfect sin-free lives and they need to really show us how to be people that are just as forgiving as they are and if people cannot detect the amount of sarcasm dripping out of my mouth right now then, I apologize.
Sarcasm doesn't always come over online, I get that I have to explain.
I want to touch on the two films you have coming up.
You've got Reagan on August the 30th, you've also got firing squad August the 2nd; two very different films, but Reagan is I mean I has there been film really done on Reagan?
I mean, I've looked and I don't see that.
So actually, this really did catch my eye.
Tell me how that came about?
And I think your Reagan's pastor, Dennis Quaid, is in it.
Tell us a bit about the film?
Well, it came about, there have been Reagan miniseries, documentaries and stuff on him, but they've never done a full-scale movie like Oliver Stone did for JFK back in the day.
And that's what this movie does.
This really covers is his entire life.
And Dennis Quaid and I worked together before.
We did a wonderful movie called Soul Surfer, the life of Bethany Hamilton, the little 13 year old girl who lost her arm in a tiger shark attack.
And Sean McNamara, who directed us in that, directed this movie as well.
And Howie Klosner, who was a good friend of mine, he wrote the Reagan movie as well as writing Soul Surfer.
And he just wrote the script off a book that I'm gonna be directing and starring in, hopefully early next year as well, called Four Seasons.
It's a wonderful, touching, touching true story.
You know, they came to me with it.
I played the pastor when he was younger.
So, it's David Henry, plays the younger Reagan.
o, I'm in like the first part of the movie. Dennis did a great job.
I've only seen bits and pieces of it.
I've been invited to a couple of the screenings of it.
But every time they've invited me, I've been off filming somewhere.
So, the timing's always been bad.
So, I'm looking forward to it.
Coming out August 30th when it comes out in theaters.
I'm going to go see it with everybody else.
I like being in a theater with those kind of movies, those big epic movies.
So, I'm looking forward to that.
It just came about by that reason and that reason only.
They called me up and said, hey, we got this role.
I read it.
And I said, heck, yeah, anything to do with Reagan, I'm going to be part of it. So I'm looking forward to it.
Look, Reagan was a brilliant guy.
Yeah, he was an actor. But he was always a politician.
He was very smart.
He used to be a sports broadcaster back in the day.
He became the SAG president, the Screen Actors Guild president, before he became governor of California.
And I just remember seeing the stuff he says.
I challenge anybody to go online, look at Ronald Reagan's speeches, and tell me if he speaks better than Joe Biden or Joe Biden speaks better than Ronald Reagan.
I mean, where we are right now, it's just, it's a comic book and it's just, but you know, we're coming up with another big election here.
And I just think if you cannot have, you'll, we'll, we'll never have honest.
Voting with mail-in votes.
It's impossible.
And I'm not just saying the left only, both sides can cheat.
Who's going to cheat better?
Because it's insane what we're doing right now.
Now, to me, it's like you vote on the day of the election.
I say make the election day a holiday.
Go and vote.
And you get one vote and show your bloody ID.
There's nothing racist about showing an ID.
It's so immature you say that.
So, you're saying, oh, so a black person is too stupid to be able to get an ID.
So, when they travel, every time I travel, there's any African-Americans in front of me.
They show IDs.
I feel like saying, was it difficult for you to get the ID?
So, it's just silly.
The reasons they come up with.
And Biden, Uncle Joe, has let 15 million people across our border.
You wait.
We've already had all kinds of repercussions of the crime.
You wait and see what happens with the amount of terrorists we've let into America.
You think 9-11 was bad?
It's going to be a massive 9-11 on scale in 30 cities on the same day in the next couple of years unless we do something about it.
And I honestly believe that.
I mean, Trump, I mean, I've had the privilege of seeing Trump speak three times and meeting him. And you watch a Trump rally and it's something to behold.
He's great.
We went to his birthday.
His birthday party.
We had 6,000 people.
The room was packed for his birthday.
And he was born on Flag Day here in America, which I find quite interesting.
It's so good.
But he connects with people like no other.
And when you kind of see him speak, it kind of is that Reagan-esque.
Because Reagan wasn't in politics.
Can I tell you something to make people angry?
That's me golfing with him right there.
That's to give me a few more haters
I love that.
The guy is a really nice guy.
I've known him for almost 20 years now.
We met back in 2005.
And I'll tell you something.
He is so nice to people.
They've spent the last nine years trying to find dirt on him.
You know, they are slowly finding, okay, he had affairs.
So did Clinton.
So did everybody.
There's hush money everywhere around.
I don't advocate that, but to find stuff on his kids, they can't find nothing on his kids.
He's a great father.
We golf together, and we go out there.
He thanks everybody on the course for being there. He walks up, gets out of his golf cart, shakes everybody's hands.
He's very nice.
He's got a sharp, sharp memory.
And the only thing I want them to do when they have these debates coming up is shut the hell up.
Let Biden talk.
Let him just talk.
Don't do what you did last time and cut him off every half a sentence.
Let the guy talk and let America know.
Look, I think there should be a drug test after the debates too, because all they're going to do is jack him up with B12 and whatever.
They're going to put a human growth cell.
I don't know.
They'll do anything to make Biden coherent for about an hour.
They've done that every time.
We've seen enough on the news how he looks.
And it's kind of, to me, it's sad.
To me, it's like elderly abuse at this point.
How does that, because, yeah, they need to sell that stuff, whatever it is they put them with, that actually is gold dust.
It does seem to work for a time and then it malfunctions.
And we see that over here.
But it's the right, because we've seen a rise of opposition towards mass immigration, especially in the whole LGBT agenda across Europe and the European Parliamentary elections.
We are seeing with Nigel Farage, suddenly excitement in the UK general election, 4th of July.
And then you've got in November.
And it does seem to be that people are waking up.
It does seem to be the pendulum has swung too far one way.
Yeah, people are waking up.
It's just, you know, when you get, we get strong names out there.
When you get like a Shaq, the basketball player, O'Neal, you know, Shaq O'Neal.
You get Charles Barkley.
And you know these are very wealthy very powerful African-Americans everybody knows they are, because of the sports world they even coming out and saying look what have the democrats done for us last six years?
How they made our lives better?
How they made poverty go away?
How they how they made education get better?
How they made job opportunities get better?
They have not, so this is like people need to wake up and start going okay you know I'm tired of this voting this way for this reason, because I'll be honest, I voted for Clinton the second time around.
I thought he did a pretty good job.
He was more of a centrist.
He was working with both sides of the aisle. I voted him for the second time around.
So, I'll admit to that.
I mean, I've always been a truly independent guy to look at things.
But I think people just need to be honest about where is your life better?
I mean, when Biden got in office, he took away everything that Trump did.
Trump made us energy independent.
Gas is $1.80 a gallon.
It's still anywhere between $4 and $8 a gallon, depending what part of the country you're in here in America.
He got rid of all that so we could buy oil from countries that hate us in the Middle East.
So, we keep funding our own wars against ourselves.
It's unbelievable. unbelievable and every time we do another 60 billion dollars to Ukraine.
How much of that actually gets to Ukraine?
I swear to god that comes back and they put a lot of that in their own pockets. It's just it's crazy what's going on in our country right now.
It is so evil, it is so diabolical and we got a country here that just goes, oh well what can we?
So apathy is what's ruling in America right now people need to wake the hell up.
I agree, and for UK viewers they need to pray that actually the result in November is the result we want, because everything is indicating that way which makes me concerned.
Can I, just one question on Reagan, how is Reagan viewed in the US, because Reagan and Margaret Thatcher they were kind together.
Margaret Thatcher has been attacked certainly in the UK and maligned and ridiculed and her huge stature has been a topic of ridicule really with our media and our education system.
What about President Reagan?
Does he still have that stature that he had or is that under attack from the establishment?
All I can tell you is that when we lived in California, we lived only eight miles away from the Reagan Library.
So, we were home-schoolers.
We had yearly subscriptions there.
Every three or four months, we would go out there to see what was going on.
Every time we went, that library was packed, was packed.
And I was in Arkansas one time, so I went to see the Clinton Library just out of curiosity. It wasn't that crowded.
I mean, it's interesting to see what these people are doing out there right now.
Kevin, I saw you put a short video out talking about Firing Squad that's coming out on August the 2nd.
Very different film than Reagan.
And you were talking about not only the story itself, but the opportunity for people to respond to a salvation call to actually become Christians.
I thought that's intriguing.
I get the Christian movie but actually allowing people to respond to Christ, that's something different.
mean tell us about the film and why you kind of want to use it to actually point people to Christ?
Well first of all that was Tim Chey, the director, who came up with that he wants to save a million souls through the movie.
So, that was his sort of his tagline is that I want to bring a million souls back to Christ or to find you know have Christ become a part of their lives.
And I thought, it's great when they do it?
Look, they did on God's Not Dead. It was amazing free advertising.
They would Willie Robertson, you know, one of the Duck Dynasty guys at the end of the movie, he had sort of a cameo role in God's Not Dead.
At the end of the movie, he looks at the audience and he says, take out your phones right now, text everyone you know, God's Not Dead.
Brilliant free advertising. So, they just millions of more people said, what is this?
The God's Not Dead thing.
And then, but they were, what a way to get out to people.
I He brought me the script and, you know, we tried to work together in a couple of the moves before.
The timing was never right for either of us where he would, I'd be busy or he'd be busy, whatever.
So, this one finally worked out.
I read the script and I said, this is an amazing story. It's another true story, which I love these true stories.
And it's about an American, I'm sort of one, it's Cuba Gooding Jr. is in the movie as well.
And it's really, a three-way story but the main characters this other character that comes in that he is sort of the last guy that I try to save his soul, because I play a guy that in my 20’surfing in Indonesia.
I saw a guy flirting with my girlfriend and he paddles in there he was angry, got in a fight with the guy, and he killed him.
Whether it was on purpose or accident I don't know the full story behind it, but he got killed during the fight.
He got the life imprisonment he got the death penalty in Indonesia, so during the next decades while I was in there this angry guy in his 20s found God, found Jesus, became a pastor, went through the whole thing, schooling, become a pastor.
And we preach all the time within the prison.
And he saved a lot of souls, the inmates and guards alike.
And near the end of the movie, because it's more of the end of the movie after my ending, because he did get executed in 2015.
He was actually executed by firing squad.
So, they still have that in Indonesia.
He refused to wear the mask because all the guards is a new one now because they became friends in a way.
He wasn't a threat to anybody in the prison. He talked to everybody.
And that was his home.
And he realized that was going to be his home.
And he took the mask off, just put it down.
He smiled at him before they shot him and said, remember that God loves you and I love you too.
And then they shot him.
And it's just an amazing story.
And August 2nd, that comes out.
People go to film.
It's called firingsquadfilm.com.
It's firingsquadfilm.com.
And they can see the trailer for the movie and get information.
I hope it makes it over there across the pond.
I'm hoping it does.
We'll see what happens with it.
I know they have plans for it.
But, you know, it's just a wonderful story.
And I was proud to be part of it.
For the Reagan and Farrant Squad, do you have, like, premieres where you're at, where you show up beforehand?
Because it is a conveyor belt in one way. You're doing so many, but it's not just the film.
Actually, you have to promote it to let people know what's happening.
So, what's your involvement with, I guess, both of those, firing squad beginning of August and then the end of August, Reagan?
Well, firing squad is kind of because it's coming out almost four weeks before Reagan does.
That's the one they've kept me really busy on.
And I've been out, I mean, I think I've already done.
Gosh probably least 150 interviews on it.
Wow
You're 151 so long it's and I've gone to about eight cities to show to talk about the movie and screen the movie.
We've had like you know Seattle, Dallas, Chicago, wherever we go, and we have a screening for the movie.
And I've been to other places where I do my normal speaking events but then we show a trailer for the movie.
So, we're getting exposure out there, which is good.
I think we're going to open here in America on 2,000 screens.
I think that was the game plan.
And, you know, we'll see what happens.
But we need, once again, word of mouth.
You know, we got a budget for promotion.
But, you know, it's mostly guys like me and Cuba Gooding that are out there, you know, doing what they're doing, like interviews like this to try to bring some, you know, word of mouth.
We can't afford to show a commercial at every sporting event or sitcom or soap opera here in America that shows the trailer.
So, once again, we're battling against the behemoth of Hollywood and the divisive, angry, woke culture.
You know, it's weird to me. I mean, I love when they call me homophobic.
I'm going, well, I'm not afraid of people who are gay, so I'm not homophobic.
And I've been in the industry for 40 years, and pretty much every movie I've been on, there's been a gay or a lesbian, somebody on set.
You will not find one of them.
You won't find one that say, oh, my gosh, he was so evil.
He was so mean. Because I treat everybody the same.
I like having a great time on the set.
I like to keep it loose.
I like to have a lot of laughs in between setups.
And you just won't find one.
But, you know, this is the culture we live in now.
We live in a world that if your point of view is different than theirs, boom, they attack you.
And you're guilty now before being proven innocent.
And it's just crazy land right now.
And these are people, I said, these people hate themselves.
They do not like who they are.
They don't like the direction they've taken in life. But they want to drag you, Peter, and me right down the black hole that they live in.
And their attacks on me don't affect me at all.
It doesn't make me think one way or another at all.
I'm doing what I'm doing, because I love what I'm doing.
And I look in the mirror and I like the life that I'm leading.
These are people that hate who they are and they just want to spread their hate to the rest of the world.
And it's a really sad and pathetic way to live every single day like this.
Where because they failed in their life, they've just given up on life.
I'm a 13-year overnight success, okay?
I failed many times, but I never gave up.
I kept plugging along, and that's what you got to do.
Failure is a good thing.
You learn from these things.
But unfortunately, most people just want to blame the world for their problems, and they just give up.
No, it's right you see the Antifa you see the LGBT and lobby and there when you look at it and it shows you good and evil because you see the evil you see it has to be demonic because, the anger the vitriol, the hatred, they have of a different viewpoint has to be demonic there's no other way of explaining it.
Yeah, well pride pride is one of the deadly sins it's the most biggest is deadly sin.
And here in America, we have pride month. Give them pride day.
I don't care about that. But we give our vets one day.
We give pride a month to a population that is, what, 3% of the population in America?
They get a whole freaking month.
Why?
To me, it makes zero sense.
And our vets get one day.
One day. And these are the people, just like they did for the Brits, these are the people that have given people the right to have a free life, to have freedom of expression.
And yet pride gets a whole month.
It's crazy.
Go back.
You were saying that Maggie Thatcher had all these attacks on her.
What did she do for England?
She did amazing stuff for England.
She brought it, I mean, she, yeah, that's socialism, but she brought it into the world of capitalism as well and opened so many doors for people and cleaned up neighborhoods and cleaned up crime.
But that's the left.
They're doing the same thing in America.
They're attacking that.
I remember meeting a guy, Giuliani, he cleaned up New York City. New York City became walkable again.
Look at now.
It's just a dirt hole.
Every city in America, my home state of Minnesota, is just as bad as New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Salem, all these places.
I mean, Seattle. They're all horrible now.
Every single one are run by Democrats.
What does that say to people?
People now look at that and go, here we go. Look at all these things, and they're all run by Democrats.
All right, Detroit, Detroit in the early 1950s was the number one economy in America, mostly because of the car industry.
Number one economy, three million people living there.
They have not had a Republican mayor since 1954.
Look at them now, 600,000 people in that city now.
They lost 2.4 million people, moved the hell out of there.
They said, this city is, hey, forget it, we're out of here.
And it's just sad.
And yet people sit there and still vote the same way.
You know, we got 8 million people have left the state of California in 10 years.
8 million have left the state of California.
They're filling in Nevada.
They're filling in Texas.
They're filling in Tennessee, filling in Florida.
And all the posts, you know, these posters are up saying, don't California our state.
You know, because they leave that state.
There's liberals leaving that state in droves.
They moved to another state, and yet they vote the same way.
And then they see that state start to fall, and they're going, huh, I wonder what the problem is here.
So it's like, wake the hell up.
That's true.
I mean, just on the political side, to finish off with, I remember going to L.A for the first time ever in 2022, going twice and thinking: I wish I was here whenever Reagan was governor.
I wish I was here to actually experience what the state was like, because what it is now is a world away.
Azerson, I think L.A and D.C being the only places in the states that I felt unsafe.
yeah
You go to Florida, you go to Texas, even Virginia, lots of other places Colorado and and it's it's beautiful, it's lovely.
You don't have that fear where actually I remember vividly on the subway in D.C and L.A and thinking: I don't want to do this again this isn't good.
No, it's horrible.
It's horrible what they've done.
There's a, there was a buddy of mine left San Diego; this is like two or three years ago, he got it.
He said, I'm done.
He went to get a U-Haul, a truck to move all his stuff out of his house.
He was moving to Texas.
He took a picture of Employee of the Year, and it was Governor Newsom for the UL company, because so many people left that state.
And he'll probably be the one running for president next go-around.
I mean, it's just like, what, because he's got good hair?
He was horrible at what he's done to that state.
And how are they dealing with homeless people now?
They're walking around giving them shots of vodka.
That's their answer.
Give them clean needles and shots of vodka and everything will just be fantastic.
Oh, I agree it's a disaster and I mean we're praying for a result in November.
Kevin I really appreciate you coming on I'm really looking forward to the Firing Squad and to Reagan the end of August.
I hope they make it over the water over to the UK and Europe.
I hope so too and I appreciate being on there.
Go to sorbostudios.com, a lot of good stuff at sorbostudios.com and follow me on twitter.
You want a good laugh every day follow me on twitter.
I'll 100% agree with that, but all the links are in the description Twitter and sorbostudios.com Kevin thank you so much for your time.
All right thanks Peter appreciate it.

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

Beauty, brains and common sense returns to Hearts of Oak in the form of Leilani Dowding to look back over the past seven days of social media, headlines and talking points.On the agenda this week...- A vote for Nigel Farage and The Reform Party is actually a vote to bring down the entire corrupt political class- The invasion continues: Rishi can't stop the boats but we know a man who can- The Tories are cancer for Britain and Labour are stage 4 turbo cancer for Britain. Vote Reform- Eddie Izzard was cutting a dash in his pink mini coat.... Vote Labour, vote for the end of times- Jeremy Clarkson: I will vote for any party which stops the police from running over cows- The conspiracy theorists wedding of the year and the 'journalist' in a dress- Result!   Laurence Fox 1    Met Police 0- Secret Democrat plot to replace Biden revealed- Viktor Orban issues a warning to Ursula von der Leyen: "There is not enough money in the world to force us to let migrants in"
Half-Filipina, half-English, Leilani Dowding is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant.Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers.She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.
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Todd Bensman - OVERRUN: How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History

Show Notes and Transcript
Todd Bensman, a Senior National Security Fellow, joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his book "OVERRUN" focusing on how Joe Biden's policies have led to the current border crisis. He highlights the role of progressive Democrats in this issue and emphasizes that most immigrants are seeking economic opportunities. Todd talks about the collaboration between the US and Mexico, the use of technology for legal crossings, and challenges posed by individuals from terrorism-prone countries. He suggests immediate deportation measures and disrupting support networks as potential solutions to the crisis, stressing informed decision-making. Todd's insights provide valuable perspectives on immigration policies and their implications.
OVERRUN: How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History Available from Amazon in book e-book and audio-book  https://amzn.eu/d/233iYg9
Todd Bensman is an editorialist and investigative author of the 2023 book OVERRUN, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History and also America’s Covert Border War: The Untold Story of the Nation’s Battle to Prevent Jihadist Infiltration. The two-time National Press Club award winner, a former journalist of 23 years, currently serves as the Texas-based Senior National Security Fellow for the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a Washington, D.C. policy institute for which he writes reporting-based opinion editorials, speaks, and grants media interviews about the nexus between immigration and national security. He frequently reports from the southern border, traveling widely inside Mexico and in Central America. He has testified before Congress as an expert witness and regularly appears on radio and television outlets to discuss illegal immigration and border security matters.He writes columns and editorials about homeland security and terrorism subjects for The New York Post, The Daily Mail Online, The American Mind, Homeland Security Today, Townhall, The Federalist, The Daily Wire, The National Interest, and other publications. He serves as a Writing Fellow for the Middle East Forum and also teaches terrorism, intelligence analysis, and journalism as a university adjunct lecturer.For nearly a decade prior to joining CIS in August 2018, Bensman led counterterrorism intelligence for the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division and its multi-agency fusion center. Before his homeland security service, Bensman worked as a reporter for more than two decades, covering national security after 9/11 as an investigative staff writer for major newspapers
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to have Todd Bensman join me today, just after he was on the WarRoom, actually. Todd, it's great to have you. Thanks so much for giving us your time.
(Todd Bensman)
Happy to do it. Thank you.
No, not at all. Just for, obviously, people can find you @BensmanTodd on Twitter, and ToddBensman.com is the website. We'll get into all of those. You currently serve as Texas-based Senior National Security Fellow for the Center for Immigration Studies. You're the author of Overrun: How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History, published just over a year ago, and America's Covert Border War, the Untold Story of Nations Battle to Prevent Jihadist Infiltration. I would love to talk to you just on that book, but I'm going to keep it wider on immigration. And of course, you've over 20 years in journalism. And you've got an interesting mix, I think, Todd, of kind of policy intelligence and journalism. And when I mentioned to some friends in the States, I was catching up with you over there. They all said, Todd, he's the real deal. He's one of the few journalists that really understand what is happening in terms of the border and the invasion. Now, obviously, the WarRoom, they know you. Maybe they're UK viewers. We have half and half US-UK. So maybe for the UK viewers, could you introduce yourself, Todd?
Yeah, I thought you did a pretty good job there. But yeah, I work for a think tank out of DC that that deals with immigration.
Prior to that, had a career, full career as a newspaper reporter for 23 years. That's my main background. I got a undergraduate and graduate degree in journalism. And then when I finished my journalism career, I was recruited to join the Texas Department of Public Safety, which is the big state police agency here in Texas to to work in their intelligence division which I did for another ten years after that so I definitely and then I have another master's degree in homeland defense and security from the Naval Postgraduate School, So I have that kind of a hybridized background and now I'm working for a think tank. So I'm kind of bringing it all together in one place, you know, reporting down on the border all the time, down in Central America, all over Mexico, all over our border to kind of get, you know, a bird's eye view of what's actually happening on the ground. And probably interviewed thousands of immigrants down there over the last few years.
Well, maybe I can just start, touch on the book Overrun: How Joe Biden unleashed the greatest border crisis in U.S. history. I've had it as an audio book and I've been listening to it. I know it's available hardback and paperback. And on the back, it says the time has come to acknowledge and comprehend that America is weathering the worst mass border migration event in the nation's history. Millions of foreign nationals have overrun the border starting on Inauguration Day 2021, and millions will flow over until the end of President Joe Biden's term in 2024. Maybe you can tell me why you wanted to put it together, because it is a comprehensive overview of the Biden administration, actually what they have done in terms of mass immigration. So maybe what led you up to beginning to put pen to paper and actually bringing this book together?
[4:12] Sure. Well, remember, I live in Texas. I've been doing journalism in Texas and Intel. So I'm very familiar with the numbers in any average year. And I saw that what was happening that started on Inauguration Day was something really large, unusually large. It was a really mammoth event. I could tell within six months, the numbers had broken every record in the U.S. history books of people coming over. And when you have an event, and then it just kept going, I mean, it was just like, it never stopped. The numbers just were absolutely in the millions and millions a year that we know about, that we just caught, with millions more going through uncaught. And I recognize that we're in the middle of a historic event in American history, history and maybe even world history and to me, maybe it's the old journalist in me it seems like when history is in the making and you're in position to see it somebody should write a book, you should write a book about that, that warrants a book at least, a first brush at recording this history and I hope others will follow in my footsteps and keep going, right now I'm the only one, though.
Yeah, that's what it seems. I mean, what was the there must have been pushback because there have been quite a number of journalists who go to the border. It seems to be for a trip for footage and go away. And you seem to have really understood more of what is happening. I'm sure there must have been some pushback from different sources because the story you tell is a harrowing tale of the destruction and dismantling of American borders.
Well, I mean, it's the book and the story of what happened here today falls right evenly, squarely on the partisan divide. The American left completely ignores my book, will not acknowledge it or even take it on or try to challenge it, which they probably view as providing oxygen to the ideas in it. Or not the ideas, but the actual reporting on the ground of what happened there. And on the conservative right, there's immediate acceptance of all of this information. There's no problem at all. My hope is that 25 years from now or 50 years from now, we won't be in this weird partisan divide. And historians will use my book and find value in it for some future time, really. I mean, I think that's the best I can hope for.
But I mean, there really hasn't been much pushback from the left, except in terms of just sort of indifference, because you can't tackle it or challenge it without creating oxygen flow into the ideas.
So I think the idea is that they've just decided that it's not really happening. This isn't true, that sort of thing, that it's just sort of a blip. And the Biden administration took that position officially for two years straight before they finally acknowledged that something kind of unusual was happening down there. They would deny that there was anything wrong routinely, that anything was up at all. And whenever they did that, the American media would just comply. They would just agree and swallow that and move along.
So, you know, on the one hand, I think that's sort of official denialism and indifference is bad for America. At least this generation of Americans. But for me, as a former reporter and journalist, it's like wheee, this is the best thing. I own this thing. I'm all alone down there with this incredible historic event. And for that, I'm very grateful that they that they did leave off. But I also know it's bad for America. I know.
I mean, it does seem so. Biden has systematically neutralized all immigration enforcement laws.
And obviously, it's not just him, if anything, it's him. But that's a whole other conversation. But there has to be a group within the White House who have planned this because that collapse of immigration does not just happen naturally. There are systems in place. So that had to be dismantled. Does that mean there is a grouping that have come together to actually systematically deconstruct those immigration policies?
Yes, that's exactly what happened. I lay that out in very granular detail in the book, Chapter 4, The New Theologians in particular.
I think it's helpful to understand first that the U.S. Democratic Party historically has not been very far apart policy-wise from the Republicans on border security. Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have always enforced the law to the best that they could and most definitely did not want mass migration. When mass migration influxes would happen, they were right on it to try to wrestle it to the ground and they would pass laws. And, they understood that the U.S. Legal system is very well equipped and written to prevent mass migration crises. So it's not the traditional Democratic Party, but it's what happened in 2020 was that a liberal progressive faction that is on the far fringes of the traditionalists in the Democratic Party who rode the coattails in with Biden for various reasons, partly because he hurried them. He needed their vote. He needed their vote to get the nomination first.
And then he needed his vote to defeat Donald Trump, needed their vote to defeat Donald Trump. And he owed them. And what they wanted was the immigration portfolio.
Those people come from a whole other cut of cloth. They have an ideology. I call them the new theologians because it's like a religion, this ideology, and they took it from Europe. It's the European neoliberal progressives that they took it from, which holds that border enforcement and borders themselves are immoral and cruel and must be abolished in the same way that slavery was abolished once upon a time or in the U.S. Jim Crow laws were wrong and cruel. And they got into all of the positions of authority over the immigration portfolio. And they're smart. And a lot of them are lawyers and they systematically dismantled all of the instrumentality of enforcement at the border and put policies in place that absolutely guaranteed to, like an 80 plus percent chance that if you showed up at our southern border on foot, you were going to get in forever.
I mean, it seems as though some states, some Democrats have woken up as I've read about immigrants getting bussed or flown around. Certainly Texas has tried to make a point on that. And you've got Democrat mayors saying, oh, suddenly they don't like it. They get angry and how dare you do this. Has that woken up? I mean, specifically in New York, when Adam started pushing back on that, has that opened up a rift in the Democrat Party or is that just quietened down again?
Well, the liberal progressive wing of the party, I think, understood that most Americans don't live anywhere near the border, don't see it. It's see no evil, hear no evil, etc.
And I think they were relying on that unique circumstance to get away with what they were doing. And as long as they had a compliant traditional media and the president of the United States and all of his chief lieutenants saying it's not happening, there's nothing happening down there, then they could get away with it. And they did for a couple of years because most Americans aren't down there. They don't understand. It's like, oh, the right wing media is down there.
Let's just, they're lying, you know, disinformation. and eventually the pipeline backed up. To the point with people in all of these cities, because millions of people were just pouring over in massive torrents, unbelievable torrents of humanity all day, every day, just pouring in with no media coverage. But eventually, they had to go somewhere and live. So the pipeline backed up and it burst in all these cities, Chicago, New York, Denver, Boston, Washington, San Francisco, LA, every city in the United States, all over Florida. You couldn't get away with it. You couldn't get away. You could not avert your eyes from it. Now it was in people's backyards and they were mad about it. Did not like what they were seeing, the massive amounts of resources, municipal budgets that were being diverted to illegal immigrants over native born or residents in their cities who needed the money and needed the programs.
Created a lot of anger. And it's in everybody's face. You can go into any American airport and they're all over the place. They're in every terminal, flying still going from here to there. So well
We'll get into flying a little bit another point in the book you talked about kind of the relationship between Mexico and the U.S I think you said within like 48 hours legislation was passed in Mexico and it seemed to be that they were ready in conjunction with Biden with people ready to just push over the border as soon as as Biden came in, tell us more about kind of how that works, that kind of relationship between Mexico and what part they've had to play in this.
Sure. Well, first of all, you have to remember that, you know, when Trump was still in office, he had a mass migration too, but he wrestled it down like Democrats and Republicans always do, until now. He wrestled it down and he put policies in place that were pushback policies. Remain in Mexico, and then after that for COVID. And these were very, very effective. And they resulted in, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of immigrants being captured by Border Patrol, and instead of admitted into the United States were pushed back to Mexico. And that was going on for the full year of the last the last year of Trump in office.
The Mexicans, of course, hated this because they got stuck with the hot potato, right? You know, that game. And it was expensive and they were filling up all of the Mexican detention centers. They were immigrants still pouring into Mexico and being pushed from the United States. And it was this terrible situation for them. And so the Mexicans were listening to the Biden campaign saying, we're going to let everybody in. We're going to be nice and kind and gentle, and we're going to get rid of the COVID pushbacks, we're going to get rid of the remain in Mexico pushbacks, etc. And they waited until the election. 48 hours after the election, the Mexican parliament passed a law that got no coverage, either on the Mexican side or on the US side, that forced, quote unquote, Mexico to empty all all of its detention centers of family units within 60 days or after 60 days. So that by the time Biden was going to enter office, they would be waiting at the border for the transition.
That's what happened. They released tens of thousands to the border. They rushed up there and they knew that on the transition day, Biden was going to let them all in. And even though there was COVID restrictions, he was saying, we're going to get rid of those. We're going to end Title 42, which was the COVID pushbacks.
And in the end, he couldn't do it for legal reasons, but he still opened vast exemptions in the COVID pushback rule so that all of those people could come in. And so at noon, January 21, you could see them just pouring in. It began hundreds of thousands on that day at that hour when the clock struck noon on Inauguration Day. They were on the march and it never ended.
Wow. I thought actually just, I know there's a little pushback on it. Whenever I was over in Texas, I talked to some people and they said, you know, it's not really as bad because if it was, we would be drowning in people. We go about our lives normally in Fort Worth or in Dallas or down in Austin and it seems fine. How do you respond to that? If people don't see it, then they don't necessarily believe it's happening.
Well, I think that there are still places where people can, if they choose, can choose not to see it. But it's in every community. I mean, there's six, eight million people in 36 months across that border. Now, we're a nation of 350 million.
So there's still room to fan out. But if you're talking about Fort Worth, I would just point you to their school district, which is absolutely completely smashed and overwhelmed with migrant kids. And there's no space for them. And Fort Worth is having to pass bond elections that increase taxes to pay for more classroom space and temporary buildings and teachers and all the rest of that. And they can't even close to come up, keep up with it. And, I mean, really any school district in the country is facing something that looks just like that. So Fort Worth is definitely, if you want to see it, you can see it.
What's that movie, Don't Look Up, you know, where the big meteor is coming? There are plenty of people that got away for a long time without looking up and said there's no meteor coming. No meteor coming but they're here and they're here by the millions and all you got to do is look up.
I get that maybe if you go down to California, that a Californian government doesn't really care unhappily for its state to be even more destroyed, where you look at Texas you expect there to be pushback and yes there maybe isn't the wall that was expected but you'd expect the National Guard troops to be there pushing back. But that doesn't seem to have happened in a way that maybe I naively would have expected as a Brit thinking, don't worry, Texas have got this. It doesn't seem to be the case. Is that a fair assessment?
Yes. I mean, Texas has done more than any other state in the country to get some sort of a control handle on what's happening at the border. But ultimately, as a state, they have no authority whatsoever to actually put policies in place that deter the immigrants from coming through Texas. And what I mean by that is, if you're an immigrant and you cross our border and we let you in, you have to be deported in order to have a deterrent. Like if you spend $10,000 on smuggling fees and you get deported afterwards, and that's a loss, a massive loss, you're in debt, you lost $10,000, you're going to stay home. You're going to stay home. But Texas hasn't been able to do that because behind them is the Federal Border Patrol, who are under orders to usher everybody that they can get their hands on into the country forever.
So, if Texas can't deport them and the federal government won't, the federals are going to win out there. I don't mean to diminish what Texas is doing. They're doing a lot of good in other ways. They're catching drug smugglers, lots and lots of them, drug loads, arresting a lot of people smugglers, and breaking up stash houses and patrolling areas where border patrol is not there. So, and with helicopters. And so they're, I think, countering a lot of kind of basic criminality from the border crisis. But ultimately they can't really return immigrants or deport them back to their home countries that's a too big of a of a federal job
Tell us about, because there are two aspects, there's the aspect of governments and how they cooperate and the economic pull and push but it's also the individuals and you mentioned the beginning, you had interviewed many of those coming over but did any of those stand out to surprise you? What were, as you got down the nitty gritty and heard the personal stories, how did that impact you and what did you take away from that?
I mean, in broad brushstrokes, my big takeaway from interviewing literally thousands of immigrants is on their way in before they get lawyered up or before they're in US control or in custody, that they all are coming because we're letting them in. That's like the big take. I know it sounds simple, but you'd be surprised at how many regular Americans can't really get their head around that or just won't believe it, that they're not fleeing something terrible. They're not fleeing criminality. They're not fleeing government persecution.
They almost never talk about that. They're coming for jobs and to earn more money and to enhance their lifestyles. They want to adopt the very famous indulgent American lifestyle. They want to live here. We have a lot of space. We have a lot of money. We're giving a lot of money away. You can earn if you want, or if you don't want to earn, you can get on the public welfare system and live very well. So it's very, I guess, universal, that, that a they're not really fleeing terrible harms at all. They are coming to something much like a good corollary to this would be maybe the California gold rush, where they found a couple of nuggets in the hills in California. And the second word got back east. We had wagon trains and of people rushing to the California gold rushes, not, they weren't fleeing something terrible in Pennsylvania, or they were just kind of poor. And maybe they figured they could do better with this big grand adventure. That I just liken this to that. And people don't really understand that. They're like, oh, these poor immigrants, we must give them sanctuary.
That's not what this is. That's, They're like gold prospectors from 1840, more than they are Vietnamese boat people or Jews fleeing the Holocaust.
And on that, I just want to pick up one or two stories that you put up recently on the website and on Centre for Immigration Studies. And I think last month, the story was a secret finally revealed, Americans can know the US cities, receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants flying from abroad. That was May last month. And you'd said a House committee data release confirms a Centre for Immigration Studies report that you had done. But tell us about that information, because you'd expect you expect information to be public. And then after a while, you realize when you delve deeper, actually, it's set up.
So the public aren't supposed to really be aware of what's happening. But you're able to list those cities. Tell us a little bit about that.
Well, one thing that the Biden administration felt like it needed to do was remove the appearance of mass chaos of thousands of people. Moving between the ports of entry over the border. Once it got to a certain point, there would be some media would go down there and it just looked awful. And it got in the way of them being able to deny that anything unusual was happening when you would have these huge, you know, surging people. So they came up with programs that would let would-be planning aspiring border crossers to stay in Mexico for a little while longer and apply on a cell phone app.
To cross quote unquote legally. They could schedule their illegal crossings at a land bridge or they could schedule on a phone or on a computer in their home countries to fly directly into the United States from their foreign airports and therefore remove themselves and their numbers from the total coming through illegally so that they wouldn't draw as much attention. Those are called parole programs. There's a flight one where they're flying directly and there's a land one where you can walk across at the invitation of CBP, U.S. Border and Customs and Border Protection over the land ports. To date, we've got almost 900,000 people have entered the United States through these kind of created admissions programs. But then as soon as they announced them, the administration just shut up about them and nobody asked what was happening with them until I came along and I put in Freedom of Information Act requests. I wanted to know how many, which nationalities were crossing at the land, how many were flying in, which airports were they flying into, which ones were they flying from. So the story that's out right now, the most recent one is about the airports that they're flying from.
These are four nationalities for this program, Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans. And the idea is we're going to bring them, let them fly in because they're under dire humanitarian stress. We need to rescue them. That's the purpose of the program. We're rescuing people. But when I got my hands on the country of departure list, I found that they were authorizing these flights from all over Europe. Europe, Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain, Iceland, Israel, all of the Gulf states, Australia, from places that could not even remotely be called dangerous or where anybody living there could ever claim a humanitarian need to obtain American protection and sanctuary. So this just kind of gives lie to all of the way that they are justifying this thing, this huge admissions program by air that you need to escape from Japan.
You're a Cuban and living in Japan and you have to escape from Barbados and Aruba and the Virgin Islands, all these kind of vacation spots, these beautiful jewels of vacation wonderlands is just absurd, nobody who knows this information could possibly now accept what the administration is saying about that program or even about the one where they're crossing the land bridges too.
Well we had the same issue in Europe where everyone wanted to to get to the UK despite being in safe country after safe country after safe country in Europe, so we had the same issues.
Right the whole thing, asylum there and here is just a complete bogus lie, all of it is just there is no practical use nobody coming to these countries is really looking for asylum. They're using the asylum system to just get in. And then it's like, deport me. I dare you. Track me down and deport me. And of course, there's no will to do deportations in liberal governments like the Biden administration. There's none at all. And they all know it.
Or the UK. We don't deport either. We just bring people in.
What's the, you talked about the phone app and you talked about disagreement. This isn't agreement with NGO. Is this agreements with countries on how to actually bring illegals back and forward?
Can you rephrase the question?
So you talked about the phone app that people can actually go on and then they can organize it ahead. And you talked about coming from safe countries. Is this movement, is this organized by governments, you seem to say, or is it NGOs?
Right. Well, I mean, most of it is self, I would say, is self-propelled, but it's informed self-propulsion. So, the United Nations has established networks of support all along way stations, all along the illegal immigrant trails in Latin America and also in Europe. They're everywhere. Food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical, whatever you need along the route, these organizations, the United Nations, UNHCR, IOM, and many other UN agencies, as well as, you know, hundreds of NGOs have gotten in on the action too. Almost all of it is in the U.S. is funded by the U.S. State Department and taxpayers. I think most Americans don't really understand that the facilitation is that they're funding the facilitation of all of this. And I believe that there are a great many immigrants that would have just stayed home out of uncertainty about the ardour of the trail.
Were it not for all of these NGOs, all along the way, they're getting legal support and coaching and assistance of every possible kind so that nobody ever really want for anything. And that's got to play on the decision-making process to leave home. Of course it does.
It's also the mass economic hit, but it's also the terrorist side. And again, you've put a post up about the recent arrests of the Tajikistani border crossers for terrorism and commented that you had actually testified before Congress on this last year about terrorist entry through the southwest border. Tell us about that wasn't on my radar at all. Do you want to fill us in a little bit on that?
Sure. Well, I mean, this is when I was in the intelligence business and in my last few years as a journalist, I reported and worked extravagantly on the issue of immigrants coming from terror harboring countries over our southern border. And I wrote an entire book about this. I still to this day am the author of the only book about terrorist infiltration and what we do about it here in the United States over our southern border. It's called America's Covert Border War. It's all about this. And I've been warning about this for years. Well, now what we're seeing in the crush of humanity that has overwhelmed all of our counterterrorism programs and protocols down there, we're now starting to see terror attacks, terror plots in very recent times. One of them is the Tajikistanis that you mentioned. That's only the most recent one.
Eight Tajikistanis arrested earlier in June, the first week of June, in three American cities. They all came over the border. One of them used the phone app that I mentioned earlier. The other ones we're not sure. They could have used the phone app or just crossed illegally. And the FBI got a sting operation going and just arrested all of them. And we don't have a whole lot more information about that case. They're sandbagging. But just a month ago, we had two Jordanians illegally present in the U.S. Conduct a vehicle ramming attack with a big box truck on Quantico Marine Corps base. One of them had just the month before in April of this year crossed the southern border from Mexico. He ends up over in the Washington, D.C. area, northern Virginia, doing some sort of a truck attack on a major military installation that also happens to be a big FBI training academy, very, you know, rich in targeting symbology, right? So.
We also have had a Russian cross the border and get caught up. He's from Chechnya area, get caught up in a major terrorism sting. He's sending thousands of dollars to an Al Qaeda group in Syria. The FBI said that they believe that he had they not arrested him in January of this year. I'm sorry. I think it was in 2022.
They arrested him that he would have gone kinetic or they thought he may go violent himself, operational, not just sending money. So we've seen 360 people from the Middle East who were already on the FBI's terrorism watch list cross our border. Biggest record by far that we've ever seen in numbers like that. In the book, America's Covert Border War, I point out in the entire first chapter that Europe suffered a series, an unending series of terror attacks from one end of the continent to the other, including in the UK, from immigrants that came in on the 2014-2015 mass migration wave. And I used that in my entire first chapter to warn that this could happen to the United States, were we to have a similar mass migration event. That book published in January, February 2021.
So it was a little early, just as this thing was getting started. But here we are.
Todd just to finish off can I ask you the solution to this mess and does aTrump administration coming in, does that fix it? Is this too big? has this are there too many people actually in the country and no knowledge of who they are, I mean what kind of is possibly the solution to the mass U.S. finds herself in?
I mean, I believe that the incoming humanity can be shut off in about 30 minutes. That's like as fast as they started it, they could end that by just simply pushing everybody back to Mexico. 100%. Everybody goes back to Mexico. That's what Trump was doing. That's why the numbers were so low at the end of the Trump term. So there's Remain in Mexico, there's policies where you can push people back and not let them apply for asylum. They can apply in Mexico. Mexico is a safe country or somewhere else.
Those are all doable. And nobody wants to spend $5,000 or $10,000 crossing if you know you're going to get pushed back. You're going to lose your money. It's that simple. It's literally that simple.
When I interview immigrants, that's what they tell me. Yeah, we waited until Trump was gone because we would have lost all our money. It's that simple. So it's a cost benefit ratio calculation that every smart immigrant makes, so that the numbers can go down. Now, it's a much steeper hill or mountain to climb to deport eight million people. That is something that the Trump campaign is promising to do. I believe that they will definitely get some kind of a monumental deportation program underway. They're going to take heat for that. There'll be political, there'll be lawsuits, there'll be all kinds of blowback. And so, but the important thing is that when people at home in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, see that the administration is rounding up and wants to round up all Hondurans, they're going to stay home. Just the messaging of some of that is going to deter a lot.
And I also think that the administration probably will punish the NGOs and disrupt their flow of cash and remove the network of support that is so alluring for them. So it's, he may not be able to deport that many people in four years but he may not need to.
Todd I really appreciate you coming on, immigration is certainly the big topic, even here in the UK, and our election three weeks away as it is over with you for November, I think the best place is obviously the books, all the links in the description, people can follow you on Twitter, but I think certainly go to the website, toddbensman.com, and people can sign up to your newsletter. I think that's probably the best way of keeping in contact with the information you're putting out.
Yes, that's right.
Awesome.
Well, Todd, thank you so much for coming on today and sharing your experiences on this huge issue.
Thank you, and good luck over there in Europe, a couple of years ago, they arrested five Tajikistanis there plotting to blow up US military installations in Germany.
Yeah, it's the same struggle we face all across the West, but thank you certainly for highlighting this.

Rob Roos MEP - Dutch Courage: A Maverick's Path in European Politics

Show Notes and Transcript
Rob Roos, a Dutch politician and member of the European Parliament joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his non-traditional journey into politics and his focus of representing the people over personal gain. He advocates for free speech, energy security, and national sovereignty while addressing issues like immigration and digital identity. Rob highlights the complexity of politics, emphasizing compromise and unity among diverse political groups. He stresses the importance of collaboration to tackle challenges like immigration and the changing European political landscape. Rob also shares his views on international relations, promoting peaceful resolutions and maintaining dialogue. As we look ahead, Rob remains dedicated to serving his country and advocating for critical issues, cementing his position as a notable voice in European politics.
Rob Roos (1966) has been a Member of the European Parliament since 2 July 2019, until December 2020 this was on behalf of the Forum for Democracy (FVD) and then until August 2023 on behalf of JA21. Mr Roos was a member of the Provincial Council of South Holland for several months in 2019 and chairman of the political group until July 2019. He is an entrepreneur in the ICT sector and worked in business and is the Vice President of the group of European Conservatives and Reformists.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to be joined by Rob Roos today, a Dutch politician, was a member of the European Parliament for five years.
Rob, it's wonderful to have you with us.
Thank you for giving us your time today.
(Rob Roos MEP)
Yeah, it's wonderful to be here and I try to explain the things that are happening in the European Parliament and in the Netherlands.
And I'm honoured to have me in the show. Thank you.
Great to have an eye of, as have many, I think, English speakers certainly enjoyed your fantastic short videos on a range of issues and it is, I guess, to see a member of the European Parliament speak sense and speak specifically, I just say what they think, love it. But you obviously were a member of the European Parliament for five years.
I'm still am.
Still am, yeah.
Yes, yes, till July 16.
Okay, till July 16 and you were vice chairman of the the ECR group, and we'll get into the groupings, the European Conservatives and Reformist Party.
But your background, you were in telecoms, and it made me smile because I know I worked with Gerard Batten, who was MEP for UKIP, UKIP leader, and his background was telecoms as well before he got into politics.
Maybe I can ask you just how you ended up being involved in politics.
It was an accident.
It always is.
No, I was never a member of a political party.
My background is I'm actually an electrical engineer.
But I'm an entrepreneur.
I have my own businesses.
I had an engineering company in energy.
That's what I'm doing for 32 years now.
But after a while I started to invest in my own fibre optic networks across the country so, I founded my own telecom company.
It started with the infrastructure but after a while I also had I had my own ISP and we did everything, but in 2016 I sold my engineering company.
And because I wanted to move on with my telecom company, it was a huge success. But then there was a private equity from London who wanted to buy my shares.
And so I did the negotiations for two years in 2018.
They bought my shares also of that company.
I still have one telecom company.
I still own a fantastic gym.
I'm also a boxing trainer.
But then in 2016, we had a new movement in the Netherlands.
It was called Forum for Democracy.
Thierry Baudet was very good at that time.
And, well, I funded his political movement so he can run for our national parliament. But I didn't become a member at the time.
But after a while, they called me. Rob, can you please help us?
You live close to Rotterdam.
Can you do the campaign over there?
I was never involved in politics.
I was always interested in politics since I was a child.
So I said, okay, let's do it.
I'm an entrepreneur.
Let's roll up the sleeves and just do it.
But it was a success.
And from one thing came another.
And, well, before I knew it, I was in the office in Amsterdam.
To them and yeah, building this organization because that is my background I founded nine companies, our board companies, our merged companies, and so I know how to build organizations.
Yeah, from there they said well can you record a video about entrepreneurship and it was so difficult because I was never in front of the cameras really it was maybe 50 takes or something like that it was terrible, but okay, I didn't have that experience, but finally this video was successful and then Rob you should also be on the list and I said absolutely not.
I want to help but I'm not going to be on this, but in the end to make a long story short, in the end I was on the list and I was elected as a member of of the European Parliament.
And, well, yeah, I did it with love and passion, and I loved what I did. I'm not really a politician.
I'm a representative of the people. I think that's a big difference.
Most people who go into politics have very good intentions, but once chosen, they make a career of it.
And, yeah, I didn't do that.
I'm really there for the people.
It's sometimes tough, you know.
They call you names.
But I don't care, you know, it's the right for people to call me names.
That's freedom of speech.
I don't block anyone on social media.
But yeah, I did it with love and passion.
And to be honest, I think I'm going to miss it.
But there will probably be something else in the future.
I keep on fighting for my country, absolutely.
And also for Europe.
Well I want to get on to what kind of your passions and what you wanted to to bring to that role but let me for our UK and half of our viewers are American and I don't know if we'll be able to explain all of the intricacies and little details in in the politics but obviously I watched Thierry Baudet start his movement and you've got all different letters in Dutch politics. So, that's the Forum for Democratie, the FVD.
And then there was, I think, a disagreement.
So things were said, as happens, and then you had broken away with some others and started a new group, the J21.
And then you had represented that and then as an independent.
And I guess there are always difficulties with a new movement or a new group or new party that starts, because it doesn't have the history of what it actually believes and it's evolving and that can lead to clashes I guess.
Yeah, that's true you know, but it's always in politics.
I was in Bangkok two weeks ago.
I was speaking there about food security.
I spoke with the the audience that were all kinds of ministers and and members of parliament of all kinds of Asian countries from Kazakhstan to South Korea, Japan, China, everywhere.
And it's everywhere the same.
You know, politics is just a dirty game.
But the point is for new political parties, if someone is, let's say, difficult to handle, there is no job somewhere else.
The establishment, if someone is not very favourable anymore in the party, they give them a decent job as a mayor or something else.
And this is not possible with a new political party.
So, yeah, that is the problem. But there are more problems.
Politics also attracts strange people.
I agree.
It's incredible.
And I'm just a simple human being.
The only thing that counts for me, I want results. I'm a businessman. man you know and I my my job is to solve problems and to to go straight to the result and I don't want to play all these games, and I don't do it, so it's, I stay, I stick to my principles and then that's why I fight for and if people said you should not speak about this, you shouldn't speak about that, and I said sorry I'm here to represent the people that's why they have chosen me and I will fight for them.
For me the party, a political party is just a tool.
It cannot be the goal and that is often the thing that they make the political party more important than our country and the people and yeah for me the people and the country is that that's the most important thing that's the highest goal there is.
Tell us about you as an MEP you as vice chair of the ECR one of the kind of three groupings on the right and people obviously will know Georgia Maloney her party part of that I think the Law and Justice Party and also I think the Czech Civic Democratic Party are part of that.
Tell us what that was, because obviously you were there for five years.
So you don't have a track record of being in the European Parliament.
That's not your life.
Your life, as you say, is service and serving the people.
Vice-Chairman of the ECR, that is a key position.
How did that come about?
And how did you find your time, I guess, working with the groupings in the European Parliament?
Oh, I love that.
I love to do that.
I can be tough on subjects, but I think I'm a very reasonable person and I can bring people together.
Even I cooperate a lot of times with, for example, the Greens.
I disagree.
On 100% on their climate policy, but I was a member of the industry and energy committee and we were responsible, for example, for the digital identity, etc.
And in the greens you have these pirates, you know, they are very hard on privacy.
So, I made my coalitions with them to create a majority on things.
So, there was also a very left liberal lady in the Renew, and she said, Rob, you are such a nice person, but you have such strange people around you.
And then I said, you have exactly the same.
So you can disagree on subjects, but you can respect each other as human beings.
And this is how I work.
And that is also that I did it in the ECR.
I think, yeah, it's so strange because in my political party, they said, they told me, you should not speak about this and you should not speak about that.
And they really disagree with me on the things.
And they made my life very tough to survive in that party.
But the strange thing is that I can go along with all the people in the group.
Even we have, of course, you have a bandwidth and you have the people.
We are the conservative, but you have people who are on the left side of this conservative movement and also the hardliners.
But I can get along with them very well. And I try to bring people together, because in the end, we have to do it together.
Together, you are strong.
And of course, you can disagree with each other, but you have to find a compromise on things so that you can show your strength.
And being united is very important to achieve the goals.
I was in Bucharest, I think it's now four or five weeks ago, I was the keynote speaker there at Make Europe Great Again.
Oh, yes.
And that was exactly the speech that I gave.
We have the elections coming up and we should be united on the right.
And I hope there are now negotiations going on to create this.
Conservative supergroup.
They try it every time we have new elections.
But this time I really hope it will work because.
We are bigger, if we are united, we are bigger than the socialists in the European Parliament.
And then we are the second largest group right after the European People's Party.
And then we are strong. We have the best positions.
You have the best, yeah, as a rapporteur, you can change things.
You have the chairman of all the committees, et cetera.
And so, yeah, I think we should respect each other as a human being and be tough on the subject, but we should find compromises and work together.
The elections have thrown up some interesting and exciting results.
Obviously, Marine Le Pen doing well. I remember meeting Marine 12 years ago in London, the only time I've met her.
But Gerrit Fielder is obviously doing very well in Holland, and I've met him a number of times.
And you've got two high-profile individuals that really make the left extremely angry.
And to me, that's kind of the part that I like, but also you need to come together.
But then you've got all these, obviously, where Giorgio Maloney fits in.
And then you've got all the conversation about the AFD and the FPO.
And it's an interesting mix.
And you said politics brings together estranged people.
It also brings together people who are extremely ambitious.
And sometimes that doesn't work with groupings.
But what are your thoughts looking across the landscape at what this election has produced?
And how do you see it moving forward with some of those conversations?
If we look at the numbers, then EPP is still the biggest group in the European Parliament.
But let's say the conservatives, if you count the numbers, then we almost have the same numbers. If I count the numbers, EPP can be around 190.
But also the conservatives, the right-wing conservatives, they have also 190 seats if we can merge.
And Renew lost a lot, especially in France. It's a chaos over there.
But also the Greens in Germany, the Socialists in Germany, they did a terrible job.
It was the worst elections for them ever on the European Parliament level.
So, this is a very strong signal from the people in Europe that they are fed up with all this climate communist nonsense. All this gender nonsense, because this is what it is.
It was so horrible the last five years.
Every legislation that we passed was full of gender ideology, climate ideology, and it was absurd, you know.
I was in energy for 32 years.
I really know what energy is about and how to do it.
You cannot do this energy transition with wind turbines and solar panels.
So, there is an alternative, and that is nuclear energy.
And I was advocating for that for a very long time.
I'm not against phasing out Fossil.
Partly, you cannot do it completely, but partly you can phase out fossil fuel.
But then you need something stable.
And nuclear energy is such a wonderful form of energy.
It's really a gift from the stars.
If you have this uranium, but also the new...
New reactors.
New reactors, the fourth generation reactors with thorium and other things.
There is so much energy in this tiny particle form.
And this is really a solution.
But this is the problem.
They don't want that.
So, to come back to the question, the Greens they lost, the Liberals they lost.
And, well, it's time to have a real democracy.
These people are upset.
It was also in the Netherlands, exactly the same when Wilders won the election.
These people are upset, but it's their democracy, it's not the democracy, it's their democracy.
They have a view of how the world should look like, and this is how everyone should behave.
But if it's real democracy, they should start listening to the people.
The people gave a very clear signal.
We don't want this anymore. We want change.
We want a normal life.
Of course, we want to take care of the planet, but we don't want to have this absurd laws where we are losing our freedom, where we are paying so much for just normal energy while it's not necessary.
Our food security is in danger because of the policy on the farmers.
And people start seeing it.
And now they want to go back to normal.
Well, of course, the farm demonstration, they started in your part of the world, in the Netherlands, and then really, really spread out.
But this idea of wanting your own industries, not necessarily relying on the global, of not wanting to, not seeing renewables as the full-on solution may be a part of it, but it can't be. This is where we put everything into.
And the gender ideology debate, the mass immigration that Europe has faced. I mean, but which one has it just been those coming together to give the push to to Gerd Willers, to Marine Le Pen, to Maloney, the Swedish Democrats, the FPO coming top and then even the Vox and Chega doing well in Portugal and Spain.
I mean, it's across the board where all these parties have come first or second or one or two end up third.
But it does seem a change of the guard.
I'm wondering which issue is it that actually is concerning Europeans the most?
I think it's immigration.
You know, we are flooded with people from the Middle East and Africa.
And even in my small village here, very close to Rotterdam, it's changing.
Our children don't have houses anymore the culture is changing.
Well I've seen the videos from London this is not Europe anymore and if these people want the Sharia, if they like to live by the Sharia there are lots of places in the world where you can do that. We should not allow that they are changing our society.
I didn't ask for it.
Most of the people didn't ask for it.
So why is this happening?
You know, it's not the will of the people.
So, I think immigration is something that is the most important issue at the moment.
But the rest, the Green Deal, all this climate policy, the gender policy, changing our identities, taking away our freedom, Yeah, I think we are heading, when I was in Warsaw, I said we are heading to a new kind of communism.
And I really think that is the case.
You know, if you look at communism, it's all central plant economy. Now, that is exactly what the Green Deal is.
As an entrepreneur, I want to make my own decisions.
And if we have new legislation and say, OK, we have to improve the environment, etc. Etc. Okay, make your goals.
And let me, let the market find out what the best solution is.
But they are not only telling you what to do, they are also telling you how to do it.
Like the civil servants in Brussels, sitting on the chair of the entrepreneurs and of the chair of the businesses, if they really think they can do a better job, it's so stupid, you know, that's not the case.
So, immigration is the most important thing.
We feel that everywhere.
We see the bomb attacks, we see the violence.
You should not speak about it, then you are a racist, of course, they call your names again, but also the women in our cities are not safe anymore.
It's just happening.
It started, this started in Sweden, but now we have the same problem here in Rotterdam.
And that doesn't mean that all the people who coming in are are evil, but it is changing our society and if you have too much of it and you cannot integrate in the society there are people here that live really 30 years in the Netherlands and they don't speak our language that is absurd, you know, that you then you are not a part of the society.
I don't believe in a multicultural cultural society, we should have a monocultural society with maybe multicultural people from other countries but multicultural society really means a parallel society you have so but yeah, I think this is this is something that we have to solve and I think the key is now, With Giorgio Maloney.
Fratelli d'Italia.
I really understand their position.
They are my colleagues.
They are very good colleagues.
I love them very much.
But Italy has problems, you know, with their debt.
So, they depend on what is happening in the financial market.
The financial market can break or they can break the government within months, I think. But also the Commission, because they have this money where they can bribe the member states.
They did it with Poland, they do it with Hungary, but they can also bribe Italy, because Italy, I think they still have to receive 85 billion Euros from this next generation EU.
EU, so that is serious money.
But it should not be the case that the government of Italy, of Giorgio Meloni, that they can hostage our whole group.
We in Europe, we have to move on.
So, I understand their position, but still I hope there will be a solution also for this big group, including... Fratelli d'Italia. I really hope that.
We're talking about Giorgio Maloni and you've seen, I guess, Orban with Fidets in Hungary and the Law and Justice Party in Poland really taking a very hard line against the EU and you posted, I think, on Twitter a day ago or so, Hungary getting fined every day.
Giorgio Maloney has taken a softer approach.
I think people have seen that as weakness but maybe she just realizes this is a game you need to play and you don't win everything on day one is that a fair assessment because, I would be talking to some people about my frustration with Giorgio Meloni not going all the way and they said patience this this takes time.
Is that a kind of a fair assessment that she knows how the game has to be played and to get to your goal It takes a number of steps.
Yes, absolutely.
If you are in government, you have to take responsibility.
You have to make compromises.
As long as you have no 51% of the seats, then you have to make compromises.
But also, she has to deal with the European Commission.
She has to deal with the financial markets.
So that is the case.
And even we have these elections in France at the end of the month.
And I really hope there will be, let's say, a common sense politics, because that is what it is, with conservatives, political parties.
But even then, they will lower down the vote.
It's always easier to be in the opposition and to raise your voice.
But if you have the responsibility and you have to solve the problems, yeah, you have to deal with many problems at the same time.
And of course, you have to make compromises, but it is possible.
Yeah, but I hope it's not too much and that there will be a solution to create this supergroup.
It is really necessary to change things.
I'm so happy that we have more and more prime ministers with a conservative background in the European Council, because that's probably the most important thing.
To have this blocking minority over there, maybe even if we look further in time, there will be a majority and we can really change things.
But I hope Maloney and Orban and Le Pen, they can find a solution because they are the most important, yeah, these are the biggest countries, you know, Italy, France, and Hungary.
So, you know, well, I think Orban is at this moment the only Western prime minister with a long-term strategy of the West.
No matter what people are saying of him, I agree on a lot of things with him.
And I hope he can achieve this super group.
Because Orban's sitting, I think, as an independent with Fidets at the moment in the European Parliament.
So to me, if he moved one way, if he said, no, I'm going to join Giorgio Maloney and encourage Marine to do the same, him or I'm going to join ID and encourage or if there's coming together he seems to be the figure that is so well respected and because he has led Hungary forever it seems like for me but you've kind of got individuals like that and is he kind of the the kingmaker the one that can bring them together or does it depend on Marine whether she wins the French elections end of this month.
And is there enough commonality, because obviously the issue with Russian Ukraine is a split with some people there, but there does seem to be enough commonality between everything else that is happening to actually come together.
Yeah, I think if you read the media let's say the mainstream media they blame Orban like Kiefer Hofstad is every day doing of supporting Russia, but that's absolutely not the case.
Orban, he wants peace, and I also agree with him on that, because Ukraine cannot win this war.
It's just as simple as that.
If you look at the numbers, Russia has all the resources to go on with this war, and they have also much more people than Ukraine.
That's just facts.
Should we reward Russia for the invasion in a sovereign country?
Of course not.
There are ways to punish him.
And I think that's right.
So, I'm not saying that we should reward Putin.
Absolutely not.
It's disgustful what happened.
But we have to find a solution.
You know, we cannot escalating more and more and more weapons fighting yet.
OK, you can use them across the border.
It's going on and on and on.
And last week I spoke someone from NATO.
Then I stay a little bit at this one and I come back to your question.
I spoke someone from NATO and they are also becoming very nervous of some politicians who are, for example, Macron.
Let me put it this way.
Macron, of course, he knows he is, before the election, he knew he was very unpopular.
And then he tried to make himself bigger as he was at that moment by saying all these crazy things about the war.
We should bring boots on the ground over there.
Really incredible, you know.
This guy is, he has no roots, you know.
He has no children.
And then I think my son is 22.
He is not going to fight, because Macron wants to set himself in a position as a big leader.
Let Macron put on his own boots and go there and fight.
Pick up a gun and do your job, you know.
But this is, we should, well, this is Ukraine and people are divided. But I think Orban is right.
The rest is, of course, supporting Ukraine.
I'm also supporting Ukraine.
Let there be no misunderstandings about that.
But I think also the people in Ukraine want peace.
You're never going to get back to Donbass.
You're never going to get back to the Crimea.
That is now what it is.
And I hope that the rest of Ukraine can be part of NATO and that we put sanctions on Russia as long as these parts of the Ukraine is in Russian hands.
But let's let's work on peace let's get people to the negotiation table because a war never ended on the battlefield it always ended on the negotiation table and I think the other conservatives also in it like this and they support Ukraine, but I think there can be a solution for that.
I think the kingmaker, that's your question, is Orbán the kingmaker.
I think Giorgia Maloni is the kingmaker in this.
It's her decision and I really know that she has a difficult position because of the financial problems and the market with Italy, but she She has to make the decision.
I think the rest will this.
Orban, Le Pen, Moranjewski, Kaczynski.
They are really ready to create a supergroup.
Because it's, I mean, Europe seems to be marching towards greater and greater confrontation with Russia.
And I think part of that's Boris Johnson's fault, because he was involved in rejecting the original peace deal.
But Europe seemed to have no money left, and yet they're sending it all to Ukraine.
And then the talk about conscription, which you mentioned.
In Britain, we're talking about conscription.
In Britain, it's rumoured that we will be at war with Russia by the end of the year, and that's why the election was called, and Macron calling for conscription.
And it is a very frightening situation for Europe.
Whenever the battle is not ours, it is to other countries that are neighboring countries.
But Europe and partly the US, actually Biden pushing us, we seem to be being sucked further and further into this, which could be a war.
Is these elections, are they enough to kind of break away and change that conversation?
Because the outcome could be extremely destructive for Europe, for all of us.
Yes, I think this is also what the leaders of this country should realize now, that we should unite.
We have the problems we discussed already with the migration, with the Green Deal, with the gender policy, etc.
But the war in Ukraine is also a big issue.
And that's why I hope President Trump will win the election.
I think he will choose a different approach than Biden.
Of course, we should help Ukraine, but we should not make the weapon industry that should not.
Booming weapon industry should not be the goal.
And I think this is what's going on right now.
It's all about money.
And there are people making a lot of money.
No, yeah, it can make a difference.
And even if we have this big group, and it's so strange, the left, and they were always the one who wanted peace, you know, the symbol, and they wanted to make peace, not war, make love, not war.
And now those are the ones who are the warmongers.
And the world has changed so much.
I really, I really, that's maybe also they try to, yeah, how do I say that?
No, let's hope Trump will win the election.
I think they make people very afraid of Trump winning the election because they tell the people he's crazy.
He is maybe a little bit rude in his conversation, but I think he's done a wonderful job in the time he was the president.
He was the only one who didn't start a war.
I even recommended him for the Nobel Peace Prize in the European Parliament.
Of course, it was rejected.
I made a resolution to give him, because of this Abraham Accords.
It was a wonderful job and what did the media said?
Oh, this is a very bad thing for the Palestinians.
No, it was peace. It was peace.
It was very good.
But yeah, let's hope that
How does that, because I've had the privilege of seeing him speak it at three different rallies actually over in the states and there's nothing like a trump rally and for my all my years in UKIP.
I've never seen anything like that, but how does it change because in most of your time in the European parliament it's been Biden in charge and with the rise of common sense parties more in the right it could be a different relationship with Europe and Trump.
I'm wondering how you see that because you want bloc countries to actually have commonality and work together and not have disagreements.
And the Trump derangement syndrome, the hatred of Trump, we've seen in many European governments. That could change now with these elections.
How do you see that kind of, is there a better relationship that can be had with the Trump administration and with European Union groupings more on the right?
Yeah, I think that relation is very good.
Of course, Trump is always saying America first, and that is his job.
You know, if he is the president of that country, he should put his country on the first place.
That is also what every leader of a country should do.
But for example, Orban and Trump, they can work very close.
Trump Jr. was yesterday in Hungary also.
But Trump was also speaking on the rally of Fratelli d'Italia.
So, this relationship is also good.
I think, let's say the Republicans and the conservatives here in Europe, they have a very good relation.
I have very good relations also in the United States, we can get along very well and it should be something that it is a global fight.
You know, this this this globalism is a left wing socialist agenda and we should fight it together. Not we see the problems everywhere in the UK, in Australia, New Zealand. South America and Europe, Canada.
We have all this woke ism and there's more warmongers.
And so we should unite and and also fight back together and I think this is something, that is happened that happened in the last uh years with for example CPAC and it started in the United States we have CPAC Hungary, we have CPAC in Mexico, in Brazil, in Israel, so yeah.
We have a movement and we know how to find each other.
And if Trump will be elected, I think there will be a very good relationship with Europe and the United States.
Can I just end with you personally, because you will not be an MP soon, but you've used your position as a member of the European Parliament to speak truth and connect with the public.
And you touched on energy as being something that you were intrigued about.
And I always was confused why Germany would rely through the Nord Stream pipeline on one country.
It doesn't matter who the country is to rely on one country.
But what are the other issues that you've tried to champion?
We've touched a number of them, but your kind of areas of passion and what issues did you want to bring during your five years in the European Parliament?
Well, I think most of all is defending free speech.
I think this is the most important thing and it's also, I was, I did the negotiations on the digital services act to.
To bring some common sense over there also the digital services act is something to control, the the big big tech companies but but actually now the European commission has so much power, because they can fight disinformation and misinformation and then I try to have a definition of that.
I try to also have a definition of hate speech and harmful speech.
But of course, they didn't make it because you cannot, it's impossible to say this is harmful speech, so this is disinformation.
These people who are advocating for this, they say to us that men can have babies and for me that is disinformation, for them, it's the truth.
So it's a very dangerous development.
We've seen the law in Scotland when you cannot discuss anymore the gender thing about the difference between men and women it's a hate crime.
In Canada, we have the same and Europe, the European Union is moving in that same direction.
Von der Leyen, two weeks ago, said we have to not debunk misinformation, we have to pre-bank this information.
This is really the synonym of censorship and that is what's going on.
So free Free speech is also a main topic for me.
I think it's the cornerstone of having a healthy democracy, that we can disagree with each other in a decent way.
And, yeah, of course, people have different opinions, but that is what politics is about.
And this is also the beautiful thing that we have, and it's very precious.
It's not in most parts of the world.
We don't have this luxury to speak out.
But they are taking it away, and that's why I called it also a new kind of communism. Because... Yeah, if you cannot speak out anymore, then we have a real problem.
We have seen that during COVID, it was real censorship.
It was a horrible time.
People were locked up.
If you disagreed, then you... So this should never happen again.
Digital identity is also a very difficult thing for me.
I did the negotiations on that too. I was able to delay that for two years, but finally it was adopted.
It's not as bad as it was at the beginning, but still it is there.
Central bank, digital currency, all kinds of tools to control people. You know, no one asked for this.
No one.
It's a top-down approach and it has nothing to do with democracy.
There is no problem.
Everyone can pay with their debit card or their credit card.
It's not an added value.
It's a dangerous development because you can control people.
These are also very important topics to me. Freedom, freedom of speech, having reliable and affordable energy.
Our food security, and, of course, stopping this illegal immigration and the sovereignty of our nations.
This is very important.
And just to end off, the future for you, when you finish as an MEP, I hope you're not going to disappear and become quiet. What does the future hold for you?
I have no idea.
Not yet.
Not yet.
But, you know, when I was an entrepreneur, I started to sell my first cluster of companies in 2016, and I sold a cluster of companies in 2018.
It sounds strange, but I really had the idea.
I've played that game.
I've seen it all and I've done it all.
That game is over.
I thought I have enough money.
That's also very strange if I see Bezos, you know, buying another super yacht.
Does that make you happy?
I don't think so.
I have enough money, so I don't need to do, I don't need to work anymore, so I can use my time to, service my country, to fight for the future of my children, and they're the generation.
So, this is what I wanted to do, but I don't have any idea what I'm going to do.
But I keep on fighting.
My wife, she hates politics.
So, I have to convince her.
But still, she also recognized that it's very necessary.
There are not many voices like me who really speak the truth. Because politicians make a career of it.
And yeah, let's see what's going to happen, what the universe wants to do with me. Not many speak to it, but also not many who can do it in English.
And I often have struggles talking to the French groupings and saying, could I have someone not speak English?
And it's like, no.
Rob, I really appreciate you coming on.
John, I thoroughly enjoyed your many videos going out and speaking truth in the European Parliament and looking forward to seeing what is the next step for you.
But thank you so much for joining us today.
Yeah, it was a pleasure.
And if I have news, when I know what I'm going to do, Id love to come back.
You're welcome anytime.
I keep on speaking, I promise.
Thank you, Rob.
Thank you.

The Week According To . . . Fr Calvin Robinson

Rejoice! It's the return of our good friend Fr Calvin Robinson to have a look at his latest posts from his social media and expand on some of the issues that are raised, as well as covering some of the talking points from the tabloids and across the web.Up for discussion this episode...- Reclaim the Media: Fox and Father - The cheek of it! Father Calvin expelled from the Conservative Party for “associating with and openly supporting Tommy Robinson"- The Farage Effect: Reform overtakes Tories in poll for first time- Europe Turns Right: Panic ensues as The EU sees a Populist Breakthrough- Diversity is our Strength: In France a Sudanese refugee won’t be deported despite burning down 16 Apartments, multiple cars, part of a Church...- The Original Freedom Fighter: Mark Steyn receives great support as he takes on OFCOM in court- High Calorie YouTuber ‘dies of heart attack’ after finding fame online doing food reviews- South Dakota seems nice! LGBTQ+ ranking for personal safety in US states released- Calling all Sheep: Get ready for 2-in-1 Covid and flu jabs after new combined Moderna vaccine trial shows its better than single shots!! - Air Pride: Boeing is not just safe, it's Trans-Safe! 
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Mark Steyn and Naomi Wolf - In the UK High Court Fighting Against Media Censorship

Mark Steyn and Naomi Wolf flew over to the UK to go to court against OFCOM. The Office of Communications, commonly known as Ofcom, is the government-approved regulatory and competition authority for the broadcasting, telecommunications and postal industries of the United Kingdom. Mark Steyn got into hot water with the government media approval body for his interview with Naomi Wolf on GBNews back in October 2022. Mark was soon sacked after this interview. This intrusion of the state into what the media is allowed to say is a dangerous development in the State’s increasing control of speech both online and offline. *Thankyou to Leilani Dowding for the footage of Prof Norman Fenton and Elizabeth Barker
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Recorded 11th and 13th June 2024
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Christina Bobb - Trump 2024: The Battle for Election Integrity and Media Freedom

Show Notes and Transcript
Christina Bobb joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her military background, transition to media and involvement in the RNC's campaign for election integrity.We kick off with some exploration into her book "Stealing Your Vote" for insights into the 2020 election and Christina shares challenges she faced at OAN for calling out failings in the 2020 election while emphasizing the importance of election integrity. The conversation covers alternative media platforms, social media influencers, and the impact of platforms like Twitter under Elon Musk in countering censorship. Christina reflects on the Trump campaign's fundraising success, his connection with the audience, and addressing key issues. We conclude with a focus on upcoming elections, serving the American people, and restoring power to citizens.
Christina Bobb is an investigative reporter, attorney, and former television show host and correspondent with One America News Network, where she reported almost exclusively on election integrity. Christina began her legal career in the United States Marine Corps, serving as a defense counsel representing marines and sailors in court-martial and administrative separation hearings. She served in multiple overseas tours including Helmand Province, Afghanistan, and Stuttgart, Germany. After her military service, Ms. Bobb transitioned to private practice at Higgs, Fletcher, & Mack LLP in San Diego, and then to Washington, DC, where she held executive level positions within the Department of Homeland Security. Christina currently serves as attorney for President Donald J. Trump at the Republican National Committee.
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'Stealing Your Vote: The Inside Story of the 2020 Election and What It Means for 2024'  Available in hardback, audio-book and e-book   amzn.eu/d/6cPQjOv
Interview recorded 12.6.24
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
I am delighted to be joined by a brand new guest, one I've seen on a number of podcasts recently. I'm delighted she can join us, and that's Christina Bobb. Christina, thank you so much for your time today.
(Christina Bobb)
Thanks so much for having me, Peter.
Good to have you on, and lots to talk about. I know you're centrally involved in the campaign there at the RNC, but people obviously can follow you. @Christina_Bobb is on Twitter. That's the main place, and you can get everything from there. But just to our viewers, to our half-and-half US, UK, to our UK viewers who maybe haven't come across, you're former US Marine, former OAN host, and since March you've been attorney at the RNC Republican National Committee, leading election integrity programs, and we'll get into all of that. And your Wikipedia describes you as mega-maga. That's quite cool. You're not just maga. And, of course, you're the author of Stealing Your Vote, the inside story of the 2020 election and what it means for 2024.
And any book published by Skyhorse, we've had Tony Lyons on before, or have an introduction by Stephen K. Bannon, is absolutely wonderful. So a shout-out to the War Room posse that will be joining us and watching this interview. But, Christina, I read on your Wikipedia, it could be true, it may not be, but you played football at university, like proper football, like British football, not just American.
Right, I played British football, right? I was a soccer player.
Yeah. So tell us, because obviously uni and then you were involved in media. Just tell us a little bit about that before we get on to the campaign. And, of course, you bring your legal understanding to that. But you were hired by OAN back in 2020. And I remember I was there maybe a year ago, 18 months ago, getting a tour of the offices in D.C. And it's a phenomenal setup. But I know you were there as an anchor in 2020. I mean, how did that happen? How did it end up you moving into media?
Yeah. So I had been in the military. Prior to that, I'd been in the military. And then once I got out, I was an attorney. I worked as a lawyer in San Diego. I was a litigator and didn't really plan on getting into media.
I missed my government work. I liked doing national security work. I have a, an LLM and national security law, and it's harder to do that. At least from San Diego, certainly you can do it at firms here in DC. So, I came back to DC and joined the Trump administration of the department of homeland security. And right before the 2020 election, a few months before, well, maybe like February, so nine months before, I kind of got a wild hair and was like, Hey, I might be able to make a bigger impact in media. So I transitioned to One America News, who had a good presence here in D.C. So I left the administration and joined One America News to cover the administration.
And I definitely had a bigger impact in media than I did working in the administration. So it's kind of been flying by the seat of my pants, hang on and just do what you can to make a difference. and it's been kind of a wild ride.
Of course, at OAN, you were one of the people, and we'll maybe touch on how that has impacted you, but you were one of the people to call out failings you saw in the election in many aspects. And you were, I guess, had a position with OAN. You were calling out what you were seeing. And what was that like? Because I remember looking at it from this side of the pond, from far away and seeing the massive debate over that with individuals happy to speak up on what they saw and others saying, no, no, no, no, we can't really do that because of X, Y, and Z. What kind of gave you the, I guess, the boldness to just call out what you saw?
I didn't think it was bold at the time, to be honest. I thought it was just obvious. And to be honest, I think maybe in the UK and overseas, y'all might have a better perspective than we do here in the United States, because you can kind of see it from a distance. When you're in the middle of it, it can be a lot harder to see and discern what's happening. I didn't feel bold. I just thought, I didn't understand what was happening. And I figured if I didn't understand what was happening, the viewers didn't understand what was happening. And so I was trying to just walk people through my own thought process and my own investigation of what I was looking into. On November 3rd, 2020 election night, I was reporting from the White House, the North Lawn of the White House.
And I was just honest with the viewers. And I was like, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know why they're calling Arizona a West Coast state, minutes after they called Florida probably one of the furthest East states, if not the furthest East state. So that doesn't make a lot of sense. We basically skipped the country.
So I didn't feel bold. I was just trying to be honest in my reporting. And immediately I started getting attacked. I mean, I had been a reporter for a couple months at that point. I think I started at One America News June 1st or right around the beginning of June. So it had been less than six months that I had been a reporter. And I was getting, YouTube was coming after me, CNBC. A lot of the bigger networks were trying to shut me down, which I thought was so bizarre. I was like, I'm barely a reporter. Like, why are you coming after me? And then it was almost like the more they came after me, the more people started paying attention. And, I ended up sticking with the story for years. I thought I was just covering it, from election night until when we actually got a result. But I got attacked so much that it just made me go, oh, okay, well, I need to keep covering this. This is a thing. And so I kept digging into it and ended up writing a book about it. But it really was the voracious attacks that I received that caused me to go, oh, okay, there's something here.
Because there's a difference, I guess, between someone who's been a host maybe 10, 15, 20 years and they can say what they like because they're kind of bulletproof in one way and they've got a track record or a reputation with someone just into the media fairly new. You kind of think, well, maybe I should just play this safe. I mean, what was that, I guess, OAN gave you, the freedom that maybe other networks would not have?
Well, they did. And I'll counter your summary just a little bit. I think the people that have been in the business for 10, 20, 30 years have been in the business that long because they don't say whatever they want to say. They're parroting what the networks are telling them to say, and they're parroting what the narrative is supposed to be, not what's actually happening. And OAN didn't do that. I give them a lot of credit. They said, go report. And so I did, I took it quite literally. And I think, I think the left, is not just the left, it was really the political establishment, because we see now that it's both Republicans and Democrats in the United States that have been causing these problems and have really kind of bound our election system the way that they want it. But OAN grew, grew in popularity a lot in the the years prior to me joining, I think largely because of their coverage of Donald Trump, people wanted to see it. And so OAN had a really large following.
For a while, they were the fourth ranked cable news network. Of course, now they've been de-platformed in many areas and they've had a lot of attacks come themselves. But because OAN actually had a bigger following than people want to pretend, our message was getting out, right? Not just mine, but there were other reporters in the network as a whole that were just standing behind the idea that, hey, we're not sure that this election was real. We think there were problems in a variety of areas. Let's dig into it. Let's investigate and see what we find. And I'm grateful. I'm grateful that that's the stance they took. And I think because they took that stance, the story is still alive today. You know, there's still Americans today that think there's problems with the 2020 election. A lot. I would say a majority of Americans believe that. And now the whole January 6th narrative is unraveling. And I think that's largely because of OAN and those of us that were willing to speak out and tell the truth.
Well, I want to come back to you on media. And we had Maureen Bannon on just on Monday discussing this. But obviously in the war room and what they feel. But I want to come back, but I want to get on to your role now, because we've just had elections here in Europe. We have UK elections coming up.
We're able to count our ballots within 24 hours and have ourselves. I know you guys like to take a few months over it. But election integrity is a massive issue.
And I know that others have told me, you know, it's the border, it's the economy. But actually, election integrity, what's the point of voting if your vote doesn't matter?
I mean, tell us about that and your work, because you have each state to actually cope with, where in the UK it's one system. So it is a much more difficult, arduous process you face. But what is, election integrity and what does that mean to most of the voters in the U.S.?
Well, I can speak for conservatives because I think it's different. You know, Democrats, I think, are very good at changing language and trying to make things mean things that they don't. So what election integrity actually is from a conservative perspective, and of course, I think it's the right perspective, is that everybody gets the every legal voter gets the opportunity to vote and that vote is counted and that we are not diluting votes with illegal voters and that people don't get to put their thumb on the scale by changing locations or the way that votes are processed. but everybody who is lawfully allowed to vote has the opportunity to vote. Only those votes are counted, but they're all counted and we live with those results. So the way it's processed in the United States, the way it's supposed to be processed is every state and every county are supposed to run their elections independently with their own processes. That's part of the security of it, right? To have a decentralized system. But we've seen over the years, there's been a lot of creep and a lot of the same companies are running, a lot of the counties are bringing in the same companies who run, half the country's elections. And a lot of the kind of inherent security that our founders built into our constitution and into the way we run our elections has really been degraded basically through corporate structure, by bringing in outside groups and not keeping things to the original intent of every county running everything separately.
To your point, I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe that every ballot can be counted by election night, even in 2020. I mean, if you look at Arizona, just looking at Maricopa County, they had 2.1 million votes that were counted on by election night but then they took another three days three or four days to count what 200 or 300 000 more ballot like why did it, why were they able to do 2.1 million in one day and then it took three days to count another 100 000 doesn't make sense
Tell what because when you when you look at it you have individuals involved in overseeing and I think there's been a big call for those who care about democracy to register to be an observer and to watch it. And then you've got the fight in the individual states, how they process it. I mean, tell us about that kind of call to action for those who care about their country to be involved, to make sure that they see irregularities.
Yeah, well, for all your American viewers, get involved, right? Right. If you're if you're a legal American voter and registered to vote somewhere, get involved. You can go to protect the vote dot com. That's the RNC's election integrity program.
There's a lot of great grassroots organizations around the country that you can get involved in. But this is an all hands on deck moment. This is the election. We either save our country or it's lost forever and it will never resemble what it was intended to be.
And I truly believe Donald Trump will be back in the White House, but it's going to be a dogfight for sure. And so we need good, honest people who are willing to follow the law and want the law followed in their areas to volunteer, to work at your counties, get, you know, your counties are now in the process of hiring effectively seasonal workers for the purpose of the election. You can get paid to work your elections, work your election, and just make sure that the law is followed and that there's not, the midnight ballot drops with no chain of custody and nobody knows where they came from. But let's probably assume they're all legitimate and just count them anyway. You know, we need to make sure that that kind of negligence isn't taking place in the elections this time around.
And what is it like? Because we've seen the ballot drops.
For you to have drop boxes, that's just so strange for us over across the pond.
It's strange for us too. Like, it's not a thing, right?
But it hasn't always been like that, has it?
No, it wasn't that way until 2020. It was like in 2020, the suspicious activity of COVID occurred and everyone was like, hey, let's completely change the laws outside of the legal process. The 2020 election was conducted illegally. No question about it. Whether you want to say the illegalities changed the outcome of the election or not, okay, we can debate that till hell freezes over. But the way the election was conducted was illegal. This massive influx of drop boxes was not authorized by the legislature of any of the states, yet they were dropped off everywhere. And we're like, hey, we're going to count anything that comes into these drop boxes. And I don't know if you've read some of the stories, but Americans didn't, like, this was not a way we vote. And a lot of people in the communities didn't necessarily know what they were. So people were putting mail, they thought they were mailboxes or Amazon return boxes. There was a lot of stuff that was deposited into these boxes that weren't ballots because nobody knew what they were.
And so, no, the use of drop boxes was a bit novel to 2020. And I think they needed to do it in order to have this mass influx of mail ballots with no chain of custody. The entire chain of custody in all of these states that were questioned, that changed the outcome of the election, none of them had the chain of custody to know where any of these ballots came from or who cast them. So, yeah, it's kind of weird, huh?
Very weird. That's not just me. I'm glad you get as well. But I've seen different legal cases with different states.
Maybe you want to let us know, have there been wins have there been losses, have there been changes, because election integrity really is key for actually getting people out
Yeah, we currently have open, I want to say 87, we being the RNC have 87 open cases litigation, pre-election litigation, most the vast majority if not all of them are for the purpose of ensuring that the the election is conducted securely in accordance with the law. And we've certainly had several victories. I would say we've had more victories than losses. There's some where I'd say it's kind of a draw and then there's some where you don't win them all. But in addition to the litigation that the RNC is conducting, several of the state legislatures have passed new laws. Voter ID laws have been strengthened in a lot of states. They put restrictions on the use of drop boxes.
Several cases, and most notably in Wisconsin, which they're fighting to overturn it now. But the use of drop boxes in illegal was deemed, I'm sorry, the use of drop boxes in Wisconsin was deemed illegal. Now Democrats are working to overturn that because they flipped the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. So there's a lot of jockeying. There's good, there's neutral, there's some losses. But overall, I think we're in a better position than we were in 2020, if for no other reason, people are aware of the games, right? They're aware of what's going on. Americans want to remain in control of their elections. As you mentioned earlier in the show, if we don't, if we, the people don't control the outcome of our elections, we're never going to have a chance to control the border. We're never going to have a chance to control inflation. We're never going to have a chance to control the economy and gas prices. We're never going to have a chance to have a say in education. The way we speak is through our vote. And so we have to to protect that. And I think we're in a better place, but we need people involved. We absolutely need volunteers. We need workers to work at their counties. We need people involved.
Back in, I grew up in Northern Ireland, which was very sectarian. We had our own issues in Northern Ireland, but one of the phrases used was vote early, vote often.
And I don't know, if you obviously have where people can vote long before, for us postal ballots is quite unusual. You kind of get it if you need, but it's not the norm. Where in America, it seems to be more the norm. How does that work? And I think you need to actually use the systems in place and take advantage of it. And that's been, I think, a call on those on the right saying, actually, if this is the system, then we need to use it instead of complaining about it.
Yeah, no, you're exactly right. I mean, I don't want to say that it's normal here. I think what happened is the left pushed mail-in voting in a few states that conservatives really weren't paying attention to. The Pacific Northwest is one area, California, New York, some of the really blue states, they pushed mail-in voting in those states. Colorado is another one. And conservatives just weren't paying attention. And then they pushed, then they started pushing it in conservative states and they really went for it in 2020. And now conservatives are going, wait, wait, wait, we don't like mail-in ballots. And so we got caught on our heels because we didn't fight the fight back in the 80s and 90s when they first started this push for mail-in ballots in some of these other states that we weren't paying attention to. And if you look at those states, like if you look at Oregon, for example.
Oregon was a red state. Oregon was absolutely a conservative state up until, I want to say, 89. It was either 1989 or 1987. I don't remember which one. It's in my book, though. But prior to them making Oregon a mail-in ballot state, Oregon had voted for the Republican presidential candidate in every single election except for four presidents, all the way back until when Abraham Lincoln was in office. There were nine elections, Four of them were for FDR, and then the other three were for three other Democrat candidates, all the way back until Abraham Lincoln. The rest of the presidential candidates from Abraham Lincoln, minus those four, Oregon voted for the Republican candidate. When they instituted mail-in balloting in 1989 or 87, the Republican candidate has never won the state of Oregon. So I think mail-in ballots are a problem and probably not an accurate reflection of the way voters actually feel. So yeah, I think there needs to be some real serious reform on mail-in voting, but that can't come until after the election because it's the process that we have to use right now. So we have to win within this system.
100%. Maybe you want to give us a bit of an You've been there since March, so you're three months into it.
What has that been like? Because it's a different RNC than it was whenever Trump has run before. Completely changed. It's now actually a MAGA RNC. America First.
Right. No, it has MAGA-fied.
Mega MAGA.
Mega MAGA. Which is so funny. every time they create those terms to try to offend us, it's just like, okay, well, we'll own it. I'm mega mega, I'm ultra mega, I'm whatever. They want to make it sound extreme or crazy and none of it's working anymore because they are, they are outing themselves as the extremists. But no, the RNC really is in lockstep with the Trump campaign on the political operations and getting out the vote and volunteering and just ensuring that the RNC policies and procedures are aligned with the Trump campaign. I mean, the RNC is committed to getting Donald Trump reelected back to take the White House. And I think the voters know that. I think the conservative voters recognize that this is a different RNC. The RNC leadership today is not the RNC of leadership of 2020. And I think they've got a lot more confidence in our leadership now, as they should.
Tell us what role the RNC, because again, looking at it from a UK perspective, they're kind of separate entities, the party, but the individual running and people vote for the individual much more than in the UK, where it's certainly very much for the party. I mean, how does the Trump campaign, sorry if it's a dumb question, but I'm a Brit. So how does the actual presidential campaign work connecting with the party? Because they are two separate entities, but they're working together for victory in November.
Yeah, they are two separate entities. And, you know, this is my first presidential campaign. It's the first time I've I've worked at the RNC, so I can't speak prior from inside, but, I will, I'll say that Donald Trump's campaign is like any other, it's unlike any other, there's not another presidential campaign. I would say probably in, in the history of the country, at least, you know, in my lifetime, maybe Reagan, maybe, but I would be willing to bet that I think DonaldTrump is surpassing Reagan's popularity.
So the RNC is in a position where we either support this mega MAGA candidate that we have in Donald Trump, who really is unlike any other candidate that our nation has seen and is, is really pushing conservative values, conservative Christian values through this corruption. He's kind of like breaking through the corruption that we otherwise wouldn't be able to break through. And the RNC really is there, is really there to ensure that he, as the, I mean, technically he'll be nominated in July, but we all know he's the presumptive nominee. As the nominee, he has what he needs to make his campaign successful. And so the goal is to ensure that the Trump campaign and Donald Trump as the candidate has, like, we kind of clear the way and have what they need to be successful in their efforts.
And I was certainly, I said to you before, we went live, been at three Trump rallies the last year in Pennsylvania and South Carolina. And for someone who has been years in politics in the UK, I've never seen anything like that, that this is not just, here are my 10 bullet points. And I remember I heard Ron DeSantis speak a year ago, and it was a great speech. Yep, I agree with all those bullet points. Then you go and watch President Trump speak, and you think, wow, I mean, this is taking it to another level where you connect not just with a head, but actually connect with the heart. And that seems to be how his whole way of campaigning to connect with people at a deeper level than politics normally does.
A hundred percent. And that's why they're trying to take him off the campaign trail. Because what you see in the media, and you know this, you've been to the Trump rallies and you've met him. You know how he is and what it's like being in that environment. It is really powerful. And people recognize it as different. It's not the same as every other candidate that we've ever seen. It's very different. You connect to him. You instantly feel like, oh, he's speaking to me. I understand what he's saying. And the left hates that. They want the cookie cutter candidate that they can control behind the scenes and somebody just gets to be the face of the party or whatever movement they want to pretend like they have.
You can't do that with Donald Trump. And in the media, the liberal media is trying really hard to take away from that they're trying to say, he doesn't have the popularity or they're trying to minimize the amount of popularity that he has, but you cannot hide it. You can hide behind poll numbers. You can fudge polls with, who you contact and, the sample that you use. But you cannot lie about the massive seas of people who are coming to hear Donald Trump and coming out to support Donald Trump. And that's why it's so powerful, because Donald Trump has pictures. I mean, you can see that 100,000 people in New Jersey, and then you've got, I think, 40,000 people in the Bronx. You see these massive seas of people.
That's not a fudged poll. Those people actually showed up, and Biden's not getting anything close to that. I mean, I went and spoke at an event in Detroit a week or two ago, and it was Trump surrogates. It was an event for several Trump surrogates that people, notable conservatives that support Donald Trump and speaking on MAGA values. President Trump wasn't there. And we had a huge crowd. There was a big crowd that there were probably five or 600 people there. I would, I would think maybe close to a thousand and Donald Trump wasn't even there. Joe Biden's not getting crowd sizes that big. And my point is people who support Donald Trump are getting bigger crowds than Joe Biden himself, then their candidates. And so they don't want people to know that. So please, check it out for yourself. If you have not been to a Trump rally, come to a Trump rally. They're unlike anything you've ever been to.
I would agree. And for UK viewers, just go over to the States just to be in one. It is excitement. And I think you downplay Biden. I'm sure he could fill up his basement with people. I'm sure he could.
Staffers. Yeah, maybe.
But what it's been.
Trump's ability to fundraise is another, and I've seen it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but with some of the more establishment fundraisers who have connected with the Republican Party holding off, but it's then the public who have stepped in, and it seems to have, those establishment funders have kind of realized that actually this is the man. And if it's not him, it's four more years of decrepit Biden. So it certainly in funding, every time he goes through a court case, it just goes up and up. But it seems to be those traditional donors are also coming behind him. Is that a fair assessment?
I think some of them are. I think some of them are not. You know, and that goes to show that this is not a Republican versus Democrat election in the United States. This is establishment versus the rest of America. And the rest of America is stepping up with their dollars. And the rest of America is funding Donald Trump to make sure that he gets across the finish line because the rest of America is sick of the establishment. We don't care if you're Republican or Democrat. If you've been part of the system that has oppressed Americans, made our cost of living go through the roof, made our wages go down, basically ruined one of, if not the best countries ever to exist in the history of the world, get out of the way. And they're getting basically mauled over by this massive sea of small dollar donors who are putting up a hundred bucks at a time, but it's causing the president to raise $400 million. I mean, that's a lot of people.
And Joe Biden can go to these fancy celebrity dinners where you have celebrities that might donate a million dollars at a time. Fantastic, good for him. I hope they all spend all of their money. I think they should all donate all of their money to Joe Biden and waste it all because he's gonna lose.
But he can get, you know, a few people to give him several million dollars. Okay. Donald Trump is raising $400 million off of a hundred bucks at a time. Who, who do the people support?
Oh, completely. Is it the border and the economy? Are they still the key issues for the voters?
Yeah, the voters are really concerned about the border. They don't like the fact that, you know, words coming out that illegal aliens are being bussed into all 50 states and they're all getting registered to vote, some against their will, at least some of the reports that I'd seen. They don't like, they, they don't like the toll that this invasion is taking on our cities and that we're paying for it. In New York, they're giving away, how many 500 bucks, a thousand dollars a month to these illegal aliens when Americans are struggling to survive. And now they have to fund this invasion. It's ridiculous. So they're real upset about the border. They're very upset about education. Parents are still being targeted who are trying to protect their kids.
It's a very weird position. And I don't know to the extent that you guys are seeing, I think it's somewhat similar in the UK, but this push for transgender ideology, and allowing teachers to groom children into sexual behavior, parents don't like that. Shocking. But that's another issue. And then this whole idea that somehow the education system has more rights over your children than you do as a parent. And these states are becoming sanctuary states for kids to go get transgender surgery without parental consent. I mean, it's just bizarre what they're doing.
So I mean, pick an issue, Democrats will lose on it. There is not a single issue on the debate stage today that Democrats it's like, oh, they've got a good point. None, because they're all completely woke. They're all so far from anything, not just immoral, but just a basic sense of responsibility as a human to be a good human and care about other people. They're off the rails on that. And so I can't wait for this debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, because not only is Joe Biden completely incapable of debating Donald Trump, they legitimately do not win on the issues. And so I'm sure they're going to try to pull something out to create some distraction. And I look forward to seeing what it is. But in a free and fair debate, Donald Trump is absolutely going to crush Joe Biden.
He will. And I don't know if they can give Joe Biden enough of that, whatever liquid they give him to actually keep him going. But I think they could use it all up. He won't last an hour and a half. There's no way. And Trump's energy, I mean, for someone of his age, but actually an hour and a half. And in those speeches, he's enjoying himself. He's actually connecting back and forward with the audience. And it is fun and the audience are having fun and Trump is not there to go and deliver my top 10 points.
He's there to engage with the audience and gee them up and have fun. And that kind of enthusiasm and honesty is really special.
It's fun and people love it. And he's gone to the point, he's done so many of these rallies and he's given so many of these speeches that, you can tell when he goes off script a little bit, but he's even started, dropping some swear words in there every once in a while, just to emphasize a point. And people love it. They're just like, Oh, thank God someone who's not like so perfectly polished that we can't relate to him now, in 2020 or in 2016, everybody hated his mean tweets. And we're like, Oh, he's mean. I don't, whatever, people love it now. They're like, Oh, thank God God, he's real. He's genuine. He's authentic. And I do give him a lot of credit too. He has learned to kind of meet people where they are. And he's, I think softened his edges a little bit, become a little bit more, I don't want to say polished. He's always been exceptionally polished, but a little, a little bit more political. I feel like I'm offending him saying that, but he's, he's learned to, to play the game a little bit. He's elevated his political game, I should say.
And now it's great, now it's just a great mixture of he's got that raw humor, but he's got he's politically refined now and it's just, he it's like he's hitting his sweet spot right at the perfect time.
Really is and of course he's we kind of forget that he's not a politician, that that's not his background his background is in business to step into this and I think that was part of his undoing in in 2016 and 2020 where his maybe wasn't aware of how the system works, of the deep state working underneath and this election I think this is why he is so dangerous to the left because now he is aware of what is happening and that actually the RNC and others are putting people ready, so they're ready to step in place and so it's not just trusting actually it's been more purposeful and organized and planned than maybe it was before.
For sure. For sure. I mean, this campaign is way, way above where it was in 2020. And quite honestly, even the president himself says it's better than the 2016 campaign. I mean, the enthusiasm, the support, the huge crowds, it's unlike any other campaign Donald Trump has run. He, I mean, I don't know what kind of records you can set, but he's setting them and he's setting all of them. And I think the left is helping him with these crazy indictments and convictions and trials and the abuses of government and the fact that the left is using the government to try to retain power and attack their political opponents. It's clear as day in the United States that that's what's happening. And Americans don't like it. They really don't like it. And Americans want to retain control of their government. And so the longer this goes on, the more people are switching sides. And I fully expect Donald Trump to be back in the White House in 2025.
It certainly is a more sophisticated campaign, 100%. Can I, in the words of that wonderful press secretary, circle back to finish off on the issue on media? Because this, again, is different, even though it wasn't 2020. I don't think the alternative media was so well-developed. You kind of had Fox moving away and maybe OAN and Newsmax fit into that. But now you've got a plethora of alternatives, of Turning Point USA.
InfoWars, you have WarRoom. You've got, I mean, it's masses of small, medium and large companies, individuals actually championing the causes that Trump is believing in to put America first. How does that, as someone who kind of has experienced the media and are now involved in the campaign itself, how do you see the media play out? And I mean, how much longer can the media on the left actually cheer Biden on?
Well, they're running at a runway. I think they're hoping to hang on through the election, but I don't think they're going to make it. You're exactly right. I think the uprising of podcasts and radio stations and social media influencers. Conservatives are available to voters in a way that they weren't even in 2016 and probably not even in 2020.
And it has really decentralized media, right? It used to be you had to watch Fox, CNN, or MSNBC, and that's where you got your information. That's where everybody got their information. Well, nobody believes those networks anymore. And so a lot of people have transitioned and are watching Newsmax, OAN, Real America's Voice.
There's a number of other conservative news outlets that are available to people. But then you also have folks watching shows like your show where they want to tune in to a person that they like. And so it can kind of be personality centric. But however people want to get their news, people are able to receive the information in ways that they couldn't before. And I think I'll credit Elon Musk with taking over Twitter, which is now X, because I mean, we were all silenced, absolutely silenced on what used to be Twitter. Andour posts were suppressed. Our followers were haemorrhaged. You know, we, every, everybody probably remembers what it was like to be silenced on Twitter. And with the emergence of X, it, I do think it has changed the game for the better. You obviously, there's still things about it that I'd love to, to see a little bit different, but I give Elon Musk a lot of credit for kind of taking the gag off of the individual people who needed a platform and social media with the platform. And he basically freed it so that those people now have a voice too.
Apologies to RAV not mention it was on with Tara Dahl and Kaelan Dorr last week, so sorry RAV definitely you're there, but there's also a a push by I mean OAN have faced that with getting removed off some of the networks obviously the system wants to to put Steve Bannon in jail for four months, the last four months the last four months of the number one political podcast America like, let's join the dots there. And of course, what's happening to Alex Jones and InfoWars is huge. And you've got others, but you've still got other networks with Blaze and Daily Wire. It's a whole plethora, but there is a cost, I guess, for speaking truth. You've seen that personally, but also these media outlets are seeing that. And yet those voices we've talked about, those channels, they don't care. They just want to fight. There's nothing you can do to Steve Bannon. He just, well, we need to fight harder. And that's the response we need, I think, in the media.
Well, yeah, and I think it is. Back in 2020, there were a handful of us that were talking about the election, but there weren't many. And they tried very hard to silence us. And I'm so grateful that I've had the support that I've had at the time from OAN and now at the RNC and with the Trump campaign and that they have supported what I want to say and what I want to speak about it.
We have to fight for our rights. I mean, our constitution, our bill of rights is only as good as if we use it. It's only good if we use it and we have to use it. And I think right now we're being put to the test of, do you believe that your constitutional rights are actually valid and stronger than anybody who's trying to manipulate them or destroy them? And I say, yes. I say, I think at the end of this, it's painful. I certainly will come out with a few bumps and bruises, but I do believe that the Constitution is stronger than those that are trying to manipulate it, lie about it, break it, destroy it, and solidify power among a select few. That is the antithesis of what the United States of America is. We are a decentralized nation in theory by design.
Power is decentralized among the 50 states. And it's the voters that control power in the United States, American voters. And we have to restore that. We're getting there, but we have to restore that.
You've got, what, five months more of this. You'll certainly want a break at the end, I'm sure. But you've got, and I've never, looking at politics across the world, you see campaigns kind of moving and then hitting roadblocks and reassessing or changing. With the Trump campaign, it just seems to kind of just keep doing what you're doing, keep ramping it up. You're hitting on all the points. And that's fairly rare as well, that there aren't the mistakes. Trump is a known quantity. He's got people around him he knows and trusts.
But yeah, it's just, it seems to be just keep doing what you're doing. And that'skind of quite rare, I think, in elections to have, I guess, that confidence at the front where it's not opinion polling and talking to different groups. What should we talk about?
Trump knows what to talk about. I think that's also refreshing, that honesty and, I guess, knowing where the vision is at the top.
Yeah, and that really comes from him. I mean, I think he intuitively understands the everyday American, which is really fascinating how that happens. But he does. He gets it. He understands what they want as parents. He understands what they want as voters. He understands what they want as far as the borders concerned, as education is concerned, as the economy, every issue. He gets it. And it's a very and he jokes about this in his speeches. He would say it's common sense, but it turns out it's not that common anymore. Like, you know, it's just common sense of how the government needs to be run. And I think the difference is because he truly is in this for the American people and he truly is trying to make our way of life the best that it possibly can be. Whereas when you have other politicians that need to do opinion polling and figure out what people want to hear about, it's because they're not actually in it for the people. They're in it to try to win their own races.
And so they're trying to figure out how do I win my race rather than how do I best serve the people? And Donald Trump is 100 percent aimed at serving the American people and making sure that the power of the American government is restored to the American people. And people are getting it. They get it. And you don't have to do big surveys. He just understands what they need because he's in it for their best interest. And it's unique because most politicians are in it for their own best interest and he's not clearly, clearly he's not in it for his own best interest
It's true as I said I've heard him speeches, why am I doing this, life will be easier but I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. You don't usually hear those words from politicians. Christina I really appreciate you coming on, I know you're exceptionally busy with the RNC campaign. I really appreciate you coming on and really encourage, the the links will be in the description for your book 'stealing your vote' and if the viewers, listeners want to delve into and remind themselves what happened in 2020 that is a perfect place to go so thank you so much for joining us Christina.
Thank you so much for having me.