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The Week According To . . . David Vance

David Vance is back with us as we discuss our way through the big stories this week in the news and across the media.Expect non-politically correct, free thinking, free speech and a touch of sarcasm as we look at...- An Evening with Joey Barton and Laurence Fox- Rishi Sunak doesn’t think D-Day is important- D-Day: 90% of the soldiers on the first boats didn't live to see the end of the day- The UK General Election is already over- Witch Hunt of the WarRoom: Kangaroo court rules Bannon guilty- Operation Stovewood: Seven guilty of abusing teenage girls who were in care- Pride Month: Drag Queen story hour - How things can change in a year! High calorie winner of Miss Alabama 2024- Woke Police: The Pride Progress Flag was raised at Police Scotland HQ - COVID Sex ban: Scientists call for six month pause on making babies- Russia now the 4th largest economy in the world 
An Evening with Joey Barton and Laurence Fox 26th July 2024 in LondonTICKETS                    davidvance.net/an-evening-with-joey-barton-and-laurence-fox-2/
Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.
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Recorded 8.6.24
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Links to talking points...An Evening with Joey Barton and Laurence Fox https://x.com/DVATW/status/1798029135513817476Rishi Sunak https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1799039119974412780D-Dayhttps://x.com/DVATW/status/1798749311229993111Labour will win https://x.com/DVATW/status/1798687613743698313Hunterhttps://x.com/Travis_4_Trump/status/1798395708862599525Bannonhttps://x.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1798765127359140337Operation Stovewoodhttps://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-stovewood-seven-guilty-of-abusing-teenage-girls-who-were-in-careDrag Queen story hour https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1799025839973290434Miss Alabama https://x.com/DVATW/status/1799046031675732474Pride Police Scotland https://x.com/PoliceScotland/status/1798709673249706468Sex banhttps://www.gbnews.com/health/covid-2024-sperm-sex-symptomsRussia  https://x.com/DVATW/status/1798705835373179062

Noor Bin Ladin - Last Minute Push for WHO International Health Regulations to Control Global Health

Show Notes and Transcript
Noor Bin Ladin returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss the World Health Organization's role in advancing globalism and its impact on the United States. She highlights amendments at the 77th World Health Assembly regarding pandemic treaties and national health authorities. Noor delves into WHO's funding sources and expresses worries about the organization's expanded powers in responding to global health emergencies, emphasizing the implications for national sovereignty and individual freedoms. She calls for local activism to challenge health-related laws, repeal unconstitutional measures, and reduce big pharma's influence on global health policies, advocating for awareness, involvement in local politics, and the defence of bodily autonomy and constitutional rights in the face of potential global health governance by the WHO.
*Items of reference mentioned in the podcast...WEBSITE                      wehurtothers.comJAMES ROGUSKI         jamesroguski.substack.com
Noor Bin Ladin was born in Switzerland to a Swiss mother and Saudi father with the most controversial last name of the 21st century, at first glance it isn't obvious that she would be a freedom loving, Americanophile and patriot at heart.Noor's background story and early life were recorded in her mom's bestselling book, "Inside the Kingdom: my life in Saudi Arabia", by Carmen Bin Ladin.In short, her mother realised that she couldn't bring herself to raise her three girls according to Saudi culture, she fought a long, harsh battle in Swiss courts in order to gain their freedom and secure their upbringing in the West with Judeo-Christian values.This clash between her life and how different it would have been in Saudi Arabia had her mother lost, made Noor appreciative of the values and freedoms in the West from early on in her childhood.Travelling to America extensively from the age of three onwards further cemented her love for the American way.Though she has largely kept to herself since the tragic day of 9/11, Noor can no longer stand by and watch as America burns. A supporter of President Trump since his campaigning days of 2015, she felt compelled to speak up ahead of the 2020 elections, the most consequential in America's history.Why? Because the more we are to take a stand in the fight for the Free World, the higher the chance of saving Western Civilization from the brink of collapse.
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Interview recorded 4.6.24
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
I am so happy to have Noor Bin Ladin back with us once again. Noor, thank you so much for joining us again today.
(Noor Bin Ladin)
Thank you for having me, Peter. It's a pleasure to be back on the show with you.
Oh, thank you. It's always good having someone on more than once. I thoroughly enjoyed discussing your background, your life, and where you are now in your activism. And we're going to talk about something completely different today, which is a huge topic, a contentious topic and a confusing topic. So we'll see what happens there. But people can find you @NoorbinLadin on Twitter or X. And of course, your Substack, which is essential reading. And that's just noorbinladin.substack.com And all the notes, all the links are in the description for viewers and listeners. So make sure you go after the end of this. I know you'll want to subscribe to NoorbinLadin.substack.com.
The WHO, World Health Organization, we've heard. Maybe I can just ask you first, Noor, how did you kind of become interested in an entity that probably most of us hadn't actually heard about until the COVID tyranny? But how did you get interested and begin to delve into the WHO and kind of what they were?
Well, Peter, as we discussed last time when I was on the show for the first time, you know, my interest is in the history of globalism and how obviously that intersects with the planned decline of the United States of America, you know, my nation that is very dear to me. And looking at globalism as a whole, especially the last 200 years, but more specifically the 20th century, you understand that the globalists have built one giant superstructure in order to advance their agenda of a one world order, this new world order, this one world government and the who is one of many many vehicles that was set up in order to push forward with this agenda of theirs of you know centralizing all the resources in the world centralizing power into one governing body essentially and they use many different tools many different crises such as you know quote pandemics and for that reason the WHO plays a key role so that's how I became interested in the WHO, but it's very much related to all the work that I've been doing in the sense that the WHO is one piece of the puzzle.
And of course, I know you've been a key reporter on the ground there on this topic and many others for the War Room. And it's always good to connect with the War Room posse and anyone who brings information and news to the number one political podcast in the States. And I've enjoyed many of those.
Thank you.
Let me get into what we want to talk about, which is this decision at the World Health Association. It was the 77th meeting. I know many of us think, where have we been? 77 of these just flew past. But there have been 77 of these. Most of them, many of us were and have been completely unaware. But they adopted what are called the IHR, which are the International Health Regulations Amendments.
Tell us how this meeting, the WHA, what was the intention of it? And again, we'll go into talking about how this was pushed through seemingly at the very end of it without proper assessment or looking at, probably when everyone was just wanting to finish off and go to bed, this was slipped through. But yeah, tell us about the WHA, this 77th meeting of it.
Sure. I'll start by giving a little bit of context. So indeed, all eyes were on Geneva last week, Geneva, Switzerland, my hometown, where the WHO have their headquarters. Every year they meet in the UN building to host the World Health Assembly which is their annual meeting and this is where the member states and you know the executive board and the WHO entity essentially decides on their plans and whatever items are on the agenda and this year's annual meeting the 77th World Health Assembly was of particular interest to a lot of people in the world because everybody was kind of holding their breath to see what was going to happen with the so-called pandemic that was one track that was one legal instrument that was supposed to be presented last week and then the second track were the amendments to the international health regulations which were initially adopted back in 1969, there was a first big set of amendments that were adopted in 2005 and now this is the second, you know, kind of package of amendments that were adopted, as you mentioned, at the 11th hour on the final day of the WHA. And so coming back to the first track so that we get that one out of the way. Everybody was waiting to see what was going to happen with the so-called pandemic treaty.
A lot of propaganda over the past couple of years, you know, post the scamdemic. A lot of our leaders in the world, many different, quote, stakeholders pushing for a pandemic treaty to be reached at this 77th WHA.
Obviously, Big Pharma, manufacturers of, quote, vaccines, different alliances. We can come back into that later because there were a few announcements by CEPI and Gavi following the WHA. But on the Friday prior to the WHA starting on the 27th of May, it was announced by the WHO that it was likely that they weren't going to be able to reach an agreement on the pandemic agreement. I smelled a decoy straight away while others were prematurely celebrating and unfortunately it was unwarranted. This is also something we can get back into a bit later. But essentially the decision what transpired and this was announced as well on the final day of the WHA at the same time as the adoption of the amendments. But the WHO, the member states have decided that they were extending the negotiation period for the pandemic agreement.
Up until next year at the next WHA, WHA 78 in May here in Geneva once more. And with an objective of actually finalizing the agreement before the end of the year. So they're going to put pressure on the different member states to reach an agreement before the end of 2024 but they're giving themselves some extra time until May just in case and also announced in that same statement negotiations will resume in July of this year so we're going to keep looking at what's coming out of these negotiation meetings out of Geneva and, over the next few months, because that's not over at all. It's just delayed, but it's very much still on. So that's the first track. And then the second track, the amendments were adopted very late on the 1st of June, the final day.
I think it was expected that they were going to pass at some point during this week. It wasn't expected that it was going to be so late during the time frame for the WHA. And these amendments are certainly not a victory for the people. And we can get into that in terms of what the amendments actually are during this interview.
Okay, well, you mentioned about we were all given this false sense of security by many people by being told, It's not going to happen. It's been paused, delayed. Don't worry, we've won the battle, but the war may go on.
I think we've talked before about the danger of putting out information which is not necessarily true, maybe wishful thinking, maybe pure misinformation. And we attack governments and mainstream media for misinformation but it does seem as though sometimes it happens on our side and that announcement by many commentators that actually it's been paused, we've won this battle seem to be part of that misinformation.
Yes it was actually quite frustrating and I did my best to push back against it straight out of the gates already on that Friday that I mentioned before the start of the WHA on social media.
Because it's hard enough that we need to fight against the disinformation on quote, the other side from the other side from the mainstream media, like all the propaganda that they wage against us. But then we also need to fight back against disinformation, you know, whether ill intentioned or not, you know, So from our side, it's a little bit disheartening. And because the issue here is that you give people a false sense of hope or a false sense of having a moment of respite. Is that how you pronounce the word?
Yeah, respite, yeah.
Respite when actually this is the time where we really need to be pushing back really strongly and even more so like there's no space for us to let down our guard and I think the other the other side understands that very well which is why you know they make it so convoluted and they have all these different tracks and instruments and they put out the propaganda it's a way of,
I mean, there are many objectives to that, but including demoralization and getting people discouraged. And so when you have that thing on our side where people are celebrating, although it's unwarranted, you kind of like take the wind out of people's sails at a very critical moment in reality.
We obviously we have two main international bodies which we are all concerned, we've got the WEF and that's more in the economic and the WHO is looking at health but how does because we've seen some discussions in the media in the UK over the last maybe two months, three months calling into question the power of the WHO and these regulations. But how is it made up? Is it government representatives that go and they vote? Because the WHO is funded by individuals and entities and governments. But what individual power is it that Switzerland sent a representative, the UK sent a representative, and they come together and vote and they're accountable to their national governments or people? Or how does the setup work?
I'm so glad you asked that question, Peter. Thank you so much.
There is a lot of confusion and many misconceptions as to what is actually going on, especially with this term sovereignty. And this is the reason why I have been doing a podcast series on my podcast, Noor Bin Ladin Calls, with James Roguski, who is the number one researcher on the WHO. A lot of what I know and what I'm learning about the WHO is thanks to my conversations with James and his Substack, which I have subscribed to and read regularly. And that's the reason I really wanted to do regular phone calls with him for myself, but more importantly for the audience to try and make sense of actually what is going on and the key distinctions, because as I said, they make it complicated on purpose. And people need to understand, I'm going to try and make it as simple as possible. We are dealing with tentacles of the same octopus, and they advance in lockstep, all of like all of these stakeholders to use, you know, the globalist terms, they're all advancing together. And so the key point, if I had to boil it down to one thing, is that this has nothing to do with health.
And this is about all of these stakeholders getting together and figuring out how they are going to continue to poison world populations. And I'm going to borrow a brilliant sentence by James, who I just mentioned. You know, this is about our decreased health and their increased wealth. This is what the WHO, Big Pharma and our governments and all these other organizations and institutions are working towards and we can get into as well the the inception of the WHO why it was set up in the first place and the fact that it's been rotten since the very beginning and designed for this purpose but this is especially true or manifests in a very clear way when you look at the the last few years and the pandemic industry that they've essentially created out of thin air to push these, quote, pandemic related products onto the population, whether it be faulty PCR tests that we know are completely useless for the purpose of diagnostics, these so called, you know, medications, these drugs like Remdesivir, and, of course, the genetic modifying jabs.
Experimental jabs.
What they're trying to do with these two instruments, along with many other initiatives and regulations and activities, is to institutionalize this new pandemic industry and push more of this poison onto the population.
And it's not a question of the WHO stealing the sovereignty of our nations. And this is something, again, I understood with James, because in the documentation, it doesn't say that. It's about coordinating the response to these so-called pandemic emergencies between the different stakeholders, allowing them to make a profit while poisoning us. And our governments are in on this. This is the crux of the matter, is that our governments are driving this. They themselves are drafting and enacting legislation that not only supports these international instruments, but actually are even stricter in their application. And it's not the WHO that's going to say, close down your borders. It's our own countries that are going to close down our borders, make foreign travellers either quarantine, get jabs, and have these procedures done to them upon entry of the country if they want to continue to travel, vaccine passports, etc..
We saw with COVID, we got the preview of what our governments did to us. They didn't need the WHO. WHO makes recommendations, has these regulations, and then our nations can point to the WHO, as you know, the health authority, to justify their tyrannical rule over the populations.
And, I think it's very important for these distinctions to be made because when people go around saying certain things, that aren't right, or precise, it leads to a lot of confusion. And then, you know, you have Tedros who goes on stage or whatever in different conferences and says, oh, there's so much disinformation and misinformation and we have to fight against that. Well, he's not entirely wrong when he says that, because on our side, we're not doing the due diligence of communicating accurately about what's actually going on. And, you know, obviously everybody makes mistakes. I make mistakes. I just really do try my best to do a good job in terms of explaining this. And when I don't know what I refer to people who really know their stuff. And in this case, it's James Roguski. You know, we mentioned that the outset of this conversation, the WHO, it's just one piece. And I'm much more of a macro person looking at how all of these pieces fit together and I also love history so you know I'll look more into the history of things and how we got to this point and the different steps that the globalists took in order to get us to where we are, which is, you know, on the brink of the realization of this agenda, 2030 agenda, new world order agenda. But looking at the different individual pieces, we really need to look to people who are doing the most thorough job. And in this case, it's James Roguski. So you really need to have him back on the show, Peter.
I will, I love talking with James. He was thorough. He was open. It was a great conversation. And I know you and James have done many chats, many interviews. I had one.
Yeah on that on that point I encourage people to go to my Substack the latest article is a 15 minute chat I had like, the last episode of the podcast with James is featured in the latest article on my Substack and we do a kind of like briefing or debrief of what happened during the WHA so to understand what transpired I would encourage people to watch that
Oh, absolutely. Can I ask about the, I want to get into the regulation, but another question about the makeup.
You've got a lot of money comes from countries and private organizations into a lot of these entities. And I think the US is maybe the biggest funder of the WHO with probably, I think, $400 million is what I read. But then the Bill and Melinda Gates also gives a lot. Then you've got other UN bodies like Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, that also give a lot of money. Explain a little bit maybe about what that means because you've got the vax, a quasi, organization representing vaccine organizations and it is pumping money into this and that could be seen as very good that the media could portray that as this is wonderful they're actually contributing to world health but there seems to be a darker side and I always worry about when organisations are involved in funding that have no representation, no say with the public, with the government. It's one thing you can lobby your government. But actually with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, we don't have a seat on the table. We can't write a letter to Bill and complain. They are a power and authority onto themselves. So tell us a little bit about the funding.
Great question. I actually built a website with my friend Nick Chirruti called wehurtothers.com. And you'll see there's a whole section on the page dedicated to the WHO on funding. So all this information is available there, but I'll obviously just answer your question.
WHO gets funding via two key ways. The first one is through the membership fees of the member states, that accounts for about 20% of their funding. And the rest, the 80%, is done through voluntary donations, which can be from the member states themselves if they want to give more than what they're obligated to give. And via any other institution, such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, such as the Rockefeller Foundation. I made sure that in that section on wehurtothers.com, I had a special link regarding the relationship between the WHO and the Rockefeller Foundation. The WHO wouldn't have been able to exist in its shape without funding from the Rockefeller Foundation and support from the Rockefeller Foundation, who had already been instrumental in setting up the WHO's predecessor health body in the League of Nations. So we can draw a straight line, you know, from the early 20th century to today with the Rockefeller Foundation. And anyway, we can do that with regards to anything that has to do with, quote, health and medicine, because they really captured all of this.
And to your point what I was describing a bit earlier about you know the WHO being this coordinator or facilitator or quote middleman acting you know for the benefit of big pharma and for them to be able to put more and more and more money into their pockets, this is what this funding is about and this is what you know CEPI's role Gavi's role is about it's about putting in place via the WHO, the structure of this business deal in order for them to continue profiting of off of our ill health caused by them in the first place.
Well, this is how the industry works. They give us something which has side effects, and then there's a solution for that, which is another drug. So it is, yeah.
And one thing that is interesting, and I actually pulled it up for you before we did our interview, but you see both Gavi... And CEPI made announcements relating to the pandemic treaty following the World Health Assembly's decision.
And I mean, I'll put this online on my Twitter just after our call. So in the meantime, it'll be available. They urge the delegates the member states the WHO to reach an agreement with regards to this pandemic treaty because obviously they have an interest there in terms of getting all of this deal structured so that they can continue as I just mentioned pushing their poisonous jabs onto the population.
Let me just mention it was wehurtothers.com we'll put the link in the description of wehurtothers.com for delving into the work that Noor and others have done into the background of the WHO. So make sure and use that and delve in deeper.
Yeah, if I just may say one word about this, it's a great tool that we built with Nick because we aimed to do a sort of repository of WHO information from alternative sources, you know, who are trying to draw attention to the ills of the WHO, but also we have a lot of official documentation in there so that you can see for yourself through the WHO speak, obviously, what it is that they're pushing forward through that vehicle. So I really encourage people to go look at that website. And obviously, I also have all the interviews I've done with James listed there and just documentaries, articles. So whatever medium you prefer, it's a great tool for you to educate yourself on the WHO and the con that is WHO on behalf of big pharma.
Absolutely. Let's go into the amendments that were passed at the 11th hour.
Again, you mentioned this has been there, the International Health Regulations 2005. So they've been there, set in legal stone. However, that actually works. But this has now been a big change to that. And of course, off the back of a supposed pandemic, it's a perfect opportunity to revisit something like this. But maybe let us know some of those amendments and why they are concerning.
Yes, the first thing I'll say in terms of procedure is that these were adopted in a fraudulent way, because according to Article 55 of that very document, this final text needs to be made available a minimum of four months before the World Health Assembly. So that would have been end of January. So that was completely thrown out of the window. And in terms of what happens now that they've been adopted, there wasn't a vote or anything like that. It's more of a tacit acceptance.
Member states now have, I think, between 10 and 18 months to reject these amendments. So this is where we need to be acting and telling our, governments and the representatives, you asked me a question earlier about how it works, our government sent a delegate, there's a delegate that is selected by our government. So the Biden regime has, you know, their who delegate that comes here to Geneva for these meetings etc representing the government the Biden regime I can't call it a government obviously, there are 10 to 18 months now to reject for our you know countries our governments to reject them so we need as you know a people in each of our respective countries to be like banging on about this and asking for our governments to reject this, obviously. But I'm not sure how successful we will be considering that all of our governments are captured, but this is very important and that's why a lot is riding as well on what happens this year in 2024 with so many elections going on in the world, but most importantly in the US.
It's true. And with all the meaning, you've got European parliamentary elections happening more or less now. And I'm intrigued at the change that could bring with so many populist parties on the right raising concerns. Sadly, in the UK, we've also got an election and we're going to get a Labour government. So it's going to be the love of the WHO is going to just be increased massively with a hard left government. But of course, then the election in November could change how funding works for the WHO. But I kind of think even if President Trump is able to regain that position in the White House, probably other entities, I mean, if that's 400 million, that drops off. I can imagine other entities will step up because this project is too important to fail.
Yeah. Before we go into the amendments, as you just asked, to that very point, I wanted to bring up this special character. His name is Lawrence Gostin, and he is currently the director of the WHO's Center on Global Health Law.
He's been working in the health, public health sector for decades. He even worked with Hillary in the 90s. He was working on health policy since the 70s, but in the 90s, he was working with Hillary when she was the first lady.
He authored the US's Model State Emergency Health Powers Act in 2001. And we know how much legislation came out of that that was detrimental to the people. He authored a book entitled global health security, a blueprint for the future, I posted this on Twitter you just go and read the book's description and you understand exactly what we're talking about in terms of them building out this architecture for global health and how this is going to impact us as people using national institutions like our health services etc, national governments and also international institutions working hand in hand to push this, right? So this is what the book is about. And he put out an interesting tweet.
Saying, Dr. Tedros tells the WHA he's confident the pandemic agreement will be finalized. WHA is likely to extend the mandate for negotiations for five to 24 months. So this was during the week before the official announcement came out. U.S. diplomats wait to find consensus, but think it'll take one to two years. If Biden loses the White House, the US will surely pull out. So he was saying that during the week. So they're aware that it depends on what happens in the US, right? And it's obvious that they're expecting that the US would pull out should President Trump regain, and rightfully so, his place in the White House, because he started the process of exiting, of having the U.S. exit the WHO. Unfortunately, the timeframe wasn't long enough because once you trigger that, you need one year before it comes into effect. And one of the very first executive orders that Biden signed after that sham of an inauguration ceremony was to get the US back into the WHO.
Okay, so take us through some of the amendments that have been made and why they should be of concern to us.
I really encourage people to read the amendments themselves to echo what James says. I know it's really convoluted. So I also encourage people to go to James's Substack because he highlights the key bits. And I'm actually going to read from one of the articles that he made with regards to that, selecting a few of the key amendments that we need to be looking at. And the first one people need to read in full actually is Article 1, because Article 1 is all about definitions. So from the outset of the regulations, they just changed a few of the definitions and added some of them or amended some of them. And so the first one I'd like to read, which is relevant to everything we've been discussing in terms of them wanting to poison us with these products, is the definition of, quote, relevant health products. So, relevant health products means those health products needed to respond to public health emergencies of international concern, including pandemic emergencies, which may include medicines, vaccines, diagnostics, medical devices, vector control products, personal protective equipment.
Decontamination products, assistive products, antidotes, cell and gene-based therapies and other health technologies. So those were added.
And if you paid attention, they used the term pandemic emergency and that definition. So now I want to read the definition for pandemic emergency.
Pandemic emergency means a public health emergency of international concern that is caused by a communicable disease. And one, has or is at high risk of having wide geographical spread to and within multiple states.
[34:42] Two, and is exceeding or is at high risk of exceeding the capacity of health systems to respond in those states. Three, and is causing or is at high risk of causing substantial social and or economic disruption, including disruption of international traffic and trade. Four, and requires rapid equitable and enhanced coordinated international action with whole of government and whole of society approaches. And so the point that needs to be made with this definition it's that it's so vague and so wide-ranging and the person, according to these regulations that gets to determine what is quote a pandemic emergency is the director general of the WHO Dr Tedros Gabriel and so he can wake up tomorrow and say oh this is this pathogen or this you know virus qualifies as a pandemic emergency and then that would trigger certain things and allow states to implement some of some of the regulations that are in this in this document and one of the key new things in the document pertains to the creation of what they have termed a national IHR authority. So each member state within their health system is going to create a national IHR authority and also an IHR focal point that will be tasked with coordinating with the WHO. And I think if I had to choose one term to to make it clear for people is coordination, switch it for sovereignty and the who is going to steal your sovereignty which is not accurate and change it for coordination this is about coordination the who coordinating with our own governments and our own governments being you know the the tyrannical organisms that will be effectively enacting laws on a national level in and as an expression of their national sovereignty, you see this is where this is perverse and James explains this very well, if the United States of America, if the the federal government decides, hey you. You're a Swiss national, if you want to come and visit in the US you need to be jabbed, you need to have digital id with your vax status etc, you need to quarantine upon your arrival regardless of whether you come via air, boat, seas or land, this is a decision by the US government and it's a decision that they already made Peter, during this scamdemic, the first round COVID, I was not allowed to go to the US as a unvaxxed non US citizen.
And we got a preview during that round of what it is our countries, our governments can do as an expression of their national sovereignty with the full backing and complicity of the WHO and these regulations.
So this moves from previously, the WHO gave recommendations and governments fell into line, every single government but in theory I guess a government could have said, this is nonsense, we're going to reject that, but this seems to be legally making that enforceable that states must now comply.
That's a great point you make, because a lot of the confusion is also due to the fact that we had quite different drafts a year ago. And in the initial drafts, it did appear that there was an issue of sovereignty and the WHO having these types of powers over states. It was the reading of those documents with the legally binding, they had the term legally binding in there and other provisions. And I was also following the release of these documents, I was also mentioning the fact that this was a power grab by the WHO. But in the meantime, throughout this year, we've had new information with leaked documents. And now we have this final official document that was released a few days ago.
That is the final version that was adopted, as we mentioned, at the 11th hour. And it's not as, I want to say stringent as the previous versions, there is language you know, the member states shall, the state party that's how it's referred to in the document, the state party shall, you know, may compel the traveller to undergo, so they do kind of like a, it's kind of like a gymnastics exercise where they they manage to circumvent certain things, but the end goal is the same for all of them and so they're playing with the law, they're very good at playing with the law but the result inevitably is the same, loss of freedom for us, the people at it, the loss of sovereignty at the individual level.
Using or abusing power at the state, at the national level, and the international level.
And of course, I mean, James' article is exceptional. We'll put a link in going through those. But it does seem that the ritual of absolute power to quarantine anyone, to demand that happens. But then it's also about international travel. It's not just about the States. They then will make recommendations which are, in effect, demands that actually international travel is subject to whatever. I think one of the that talks about vaccinations but i think in in part of it it says any in article 31 it says additional established health measures that prevent the control, so any extra health measure, it's not, it doesn't say you know, you need to get a jab or wear a mask, it's like anything that may be needed that is dangerous.
Yeah and what is key here, Peter, is that they agree on all this stuff when it comes to the measures and what our own, countries are going to compel people to do. This is not the point of contention. And I understood this very well with James. This is about the business deal.
The negotiations is about figuring out who is going to get a piece of the pie. They've agreed on all the measures and how they're going to deal with us plebs once the next pandemic comes around, which there is a consensus. It's not about if, it's about when the next pandemic comes around. So the point of contention, why these negotiations are taking so long, be it with the IHR or with the pandemic treaty, is about how they're going to structure their deal and how they're going to distribute the spoils. And that's why I wanted to come to Article 44 because this is what it's about, Article 44 and Article 44BIS.
Not BS.
No, it should be BS. It definitely should be BS, but let me read. I'm not going to read the full thing. It's a little bit long, but no, but I should. It's really important. If you bear with me like two minutes, I'll read the full thing. So Article 44.2bis states parties subject to applicable law and available resources shall maintain or increase domestic funding as necessary and collaborate, including through international cooperation and assistance as appropriate to strengthen sustainable financing to support the implementation of these regulations.
Tutor, pursuant to subparagraph C of paragraph 1, state parties shall undertake to collaborate to the extent possible to a. Encourage governance and operating models of existing financing entities and funding mechanisms to be regionally representative and responsive to the needs and national priorities of developing countries in the implementation of these regulations, b. Identify and enable access to financial resources, including through the coordinating financial mechanism established pursuant to Article 44b is, necessary to equitably address the needs and priorities of developing countries, including for developing, strengthening, and maintaining core capacities.
[Which brings me to Article 44bis. 1. A coordinating financial mechanism. The mechanism is hereby established to a. Promote the provision of timely, predictable, and sustainable financing for the implementation of these regulations in order to develop, strengthen, and maintain core capacities as set out in Annex I of these regulations, including those relevant for pandemic emergencies. B. Seek to maximize the availability of financing for the implementation needs and priorities of state parties, in particular of developing countries.
And C. Work to mobilize new and additional financial resources and increase the efficient utilization of existing financing instruments relevant to the effective implementation of these regulations.
This is an important part I'm almost done. 2. In support of the objective set out in paragraph 1 of this article, the mechanism shall enter alia a. User conduct relevant needs and funding gap analysis. B. Promote harmonization, coherence, and coordination of existing financing instruments. C. Identify all sources of financing that are available for implementation support and make this information available to state parties. D. Provide advice and support upon request to state parties in identifying and applying for financial resources for strengthening core capacities, including those relevant for pandemic emergencies. C. Leverage voluntary monetary contributions for organizations and other entities supporting state parties to develop, strengthen, and maintain their core capacities, including those relevant for pandemic emergencies. 3. The mechanism shall function in relation to the implementation of these regulations under the authority and guidance of the health assembly and be accountable to it.
And so I'm not going to read Annex 1, but as it refers to Annex 1, and it's all about creating the structure and the core capabilities for surveillance, on-site investigation.
Laboratory diagnostics, implementation of control measures, etc., determining the risk of communication in terms of the disease. But what it means is that they are essentially setting up the infrastructure so that the poorer nations can also be able to say, hey, the pathogen you've identified, well, that we've identified in our mechanism, like in our, how would you say, with the core capabilities set up that we've put in our countries, the pathogen comes from us. So we want to be able to get a percentage of all the profit that you make off of the products, the health-related products that you create for the so-called pandemic. And this is what happened, you know, with Omicron in Africa, right, where they gave away, you know, Omicron, the genetic resources, the genetic resource, pardon me, of Omicron, and then Big Pharma created all these products off of the back of it, you know, the boosters and stuff. And so they made an agreement where rich countries would give funding so that the poorer nations could set all of this up and have the right to claim the spoils basically of the products that will be created off of the back of these pathogens. And this is the point of contention, by the way, with the pandemic treaty was how they were going to agree on the PABS system, the pathogen access and benefit sharing system, because they need, you know, these quote, pathogen or genetic resources or sequences to base their
poison on and then it's about distribution and it's you know these nations they're not saying what they should be saying, is that we don't want these poisonous products, we don't want to be forced to take these poisonous products which is what our nations should be saying, they're saying, hey we want a piece of that poisonous pie, as James refers to it, we also want to to get money from these criminals that are in charge of our different countries, they also want to get money in their pockets so this is what this whole process has been about. It's about profiteering off of our continued ill health.
Yeah profiteering and control absolutely. Noor it's always difficult to squeeze a huge topic like this into an hour but maybeI will put the links up and people do need to read James's Substack and they can go through the articles and everything is there.
Yeah I'm sorry reading article 44 and article 44bis, it's so dry this language and it's,
James said it on our podcast the other day, he gave out very good medical advice. He said, if you want to fall asleep at night, if you, suffer from insomnia, just read these documents. And it was so true, ahead of recording that very podcast episode with James, you know, we did it 24 hours after all of these announcements were made. And so that following day, I was reading the amendments and it wasn't in the evening, it was in the afternoon and it still managed to make me really drowsy. So listen, bless James for spending so many hours reading every single word in these documents. But, yeah, it's done on purpose, you know, to really not make people want to read these documents and therefore be properly informed. But I'll echo James, you know, read the damn documents if you want to know what it is they're up to. And for sure, listen to other people that are talking about this subject by all means. But if you really want to grasp what's going on, just go and do the research as well and do the reading yourself. Thankfully, you have a few people that you can look up to who can give you pointers. This is what James does. He gives you pointers and he says, hey, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this.
But the time to just consume news from whatever source and just take it at face value, we know that doesn't really work. So don't even listen to me. Just go and read the documents.
I agree. And just for the last few minutes, can I just ask you about people responding?
We talked about 10 to 18 months about being extended, the negotiating period being extended. That's part of the pandemic treaty. But, I mean, how can people be involved? They can obviously raise awareness online, on social media. Is it a case of writing to governments? I mean, what can people do when they're armed with the information? What's kind of their next step?
Listen, you need to be focusing at the local level and regional level. So, for example, in Switzerland, they are preparing a law on epidemics. That's the name of the law. It's currently being redrafted it's to be presented in 2026, I'm involved with local, associations and organizations that are trying to raise awareness in the wider population, we have, we are very fortunate here because we can vote directly on on laws you know through our referendum process we also have the ability to put forward quote initiatives, so for example on the 9th of June, I'm going to go vote. There's an initiative to protect bodily autonomy in terms of vaccine mandates and to have that added specifically in the constitution. We do have an article in the constitution that protects the integrity of a human being, but we want to make it specific so that there's no way to go around it when they introduce the law on epidemics. And in the US, I mean.
You have so many laws that should be repealed because they're completely unconstitutional. Laws, as I mentioned, some of them that derive from this act that Lawrence Gostin authored, the U.S. Model State Emergency Health Powers Act in 2001. This was, when the anthrax thing was going on. He had actually started working on it two years prior in 1999 kind of like the patriot acts you know they had started working on it also in the 90s so they were preparing a few things ahead of different crises, let's put it that way and so that US model state emergency health powers act from that I don't know how much legislation, how many laws were derived that you really need to be looking in your own country what's going on, your health and, what's HHS in the US, oh you're in England sorry, but for the American audience stuff coming out of HHS, how they coordinate with the CDC and all of these corrupt sick and evil institutions.
Listen, just take big pharma down, all of it, and all of these associated institutions. It's been going on for at least 100 years longer. But, for the sake of focus, we can just talk about the 20th century and how basically everything was set up to push poison and to suppress actual remedies.
Not manufactured by big pharma. So this is the root of the problem of what's going on. It's really looking at the entire structure within which the WHO sits.
Well, Noor, I really do appreciate you coming on and giving us that, not only background information, but the call to action. I know people want to delve deeper into your Substack and also James both of the links are in the description so thank you so much for coming on unpacking what you're seeing there and what's going to impact every country in the world, so thank you.
I hope I was able to bring a little bit of of clarity because as I mentioned at the outset of the conversation, it is very convoluted it does take time, people don't have time, people are busy fighting other battles, figuring out how to survive.
And I just hope that, my work, certainly James's work that I know for sure because it does help me, but I hope that what I'm doing can help orient a little bit and provide a little bit of clarity with all this confusion. So thank you everyone for listening up to now and even sticking till the end, despite the reading of Article 44 and 44 BIS, which was so boring, but important.
It is. And, Noor, I've certainly learned a huge lot just listening to you. So I know our audience will feel exactly the same. So, Noor, thanks so much for today.
Thank you.

Jaco Booyens - Combatting the Scourge of Human Trafficking

Show Notes and Transcript
Jaco Booyens joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his journey from South Africa to the U.S, becoming a citizen and focusing on anti-trafficking work. His organisation prioritizes prevention, inspired by his sister's trafficking experience. Jaco highlights the prevalence of human trafficking in the U.S, especially within families, tells us of the destructive impact of the pornography industry on exploitation and criticizes the church for not actively addressing these issues.Despite facing opposition from Big Tech, Big Pharma, and the pornography lobby, Jaco encourages engagement, education, and support for anti-trafficking efforts and tells us how we can all get involved.
With 29 years of fighting trafficking, Jaco Booyens is the leading voice in America addressing the entire ecosystem that feeds human trafficking. His team collaborates with 170+ anti-trafficking organizations nationwide, as well as local and federal law enforcement agencies. JBM is consistently tracking the evolution of this crime in real time. This intel allows us to conduct a global gap analysis to best advocate for the needs of the anti-trafficking community on all fronts (legislation, awareness, training our first responders and government officials). JBM sees early and is able to sound the alarm - warning the American public about what’s happening to their children.
Jaco Booyens Ministries is an anti-trafficking organization led by the Holy Spirit to redeem the lives of children, victims, survivors, and those creating demand for sexual exploitation. They support real-life rescues and save children BEFORE they need to be rescued
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TRANSCRIPT
Hello, Hearts of Oak.
I'm delighted to be joined by a brand new guest that I had the privilege of meeting over in my trip in Texas, and that's Jaco Booyens.
Jaco, thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you.
It was great to meet you in person, and thank you for the kind gesture of having me on your show.
Not at all.
It was wonderful meeting you and then meeting you again later jumping on with you on your show and I had not actually known about the work you're doing.
I've looked into it and and it's a phenomenal work you do and i'm hoping that we can share that with our viewers and listeners, but of course first of all people can obviously find you there's your twitter handle which is on the screen or X and this Jaco Booyans Ministries.org is the website that is on the the twitter handle at the top when you go on to Jaco's profile and also everything is in the description.
And you describe yourself Jaco as as an anti-trafficking organization led by the Holy Spirit which we'll delve into that point in a moment which is alien for UK viewers certainly but to redeem the lives of children victims survivors and those creating demand for sexual exploitation.
We support real life rescues and save children before they need to be rescued. So, we want to delve into the work you do, the vital work you've done for nearly three decades.
But before I start with that, can I ask you about yourself?
How does a South African end up in the US and becoming a US citizen, legally becoming a US citizen?
You know, that's the question today is what's legal and what's not legal, because we still have legal immigration in the US, you know, there's still and as you do in the UK, there are laws on the books, it's whether those laws are actually upheld or not.
That's the question of the day.
You know, Peter, when I was 18 years old as a South African, born and raised in Johannesburg, with a tremendous, you know, love for England because all our sport are the same.
Our school system is built on the British school system.
Our legal system is British law.
I mean, there's such an intertwinement between the UK and South Africa, right?
I was destined to play professional rugby at that time as an 18-year-old.
My sister was 12 years old.
We were on the brink of civil war. This is 1994, South Africa, Nelson Mandela's coming out of prison.
I mean, it is just a melting pot of change, right?
And in that year, 1994, when my sister Ilonka was 12, she was trafficked.
Now, we're from a single-parent home.
Father was not in our lives.
I'm a senior in high school, or a matriculant in high school, as we'll call it. But on my way to the military, because it's last class of military, mandatory military service, I'm also on my way to play professional rugby, which both happened.
But then also my sister is trafficked.
And it was a six-year journey.
Of this 12-year-old girl being trafficked until she was 18, my sister, so for me from just about turning 19 to 26, 25, 26, it was this process of not knowing exactly what has happened, what is happening to our sister.
And by God's grace, I was there the night she was rescued.
And in that process, none of us knew what human trafficking was, but in that six-year process, there was this agreement by the family, my mother, myself, my brother, that when Ilonka was coming home, and we believed that God had her, that she was safe, that we would immigrate to Nashville, Tennessee, because music was our love.
Music is, in fact, the industry she was trafficked through.
We didn't know it at the time. And so once that happened in 2001, we immigrated to the U.S. We came as visitors and started the process of becoming legal U.S. Citizens, came in legally and worked the process.
And for me, it was a 14-year process of becoming a citizen, because I was a visitor and then I became a professional athlete in the U.S., which changed my visa status.
And you start over every time. And then I lived in Canada for two years playing professional football in Canada, football, not British football, American football.
Which changed my legal status again.
And so I had to restart three or four times. And hence the reason it took 14 years before I was sworn in as a U.S. Citizen, you know, and very proudly so.
Where was that?
Which city, which area was that you were sworn in?
Did most of my work with the Memphis Office of Immigration, but I actually was sworn in in Dallas, Texas, because we moved to Dallas 2011 and 2014, sworn in as a U.S. citizen.
So, I've been a citizen now for nine, ten years almost.
It was such a proud moment, Peter.
You know, I love South Africa.
That red dirt never gets out of your system.
I love my people.
I love the country.
But we're called here for the fight.
We're in fighting human trafficking.
We're called here.
And standing in front of an immigration judge, I say this to a lot of U.K. residents would understand this.
When you have migration and immigration into a country, into the U.S., you are asked to assimilate.
You're required.
I had to write a written English exam, verbal exam, understand the branches of government.
An exam, I argue, most American citizens, naturally born, will fail. They'll fail that test.
Same here. Same situation in the U.K.
And so pass that exam, then you go through a bar. Then you go through an immigration federal judge, you get questioned.
You get all your biometrics taken, they check your background, et cetera, et cetera.
And then finally, you stand in front of a judge with your friends and family, and you hear, welcome, newest citizen of the United States.
And you pledge that allegiance for the first time, and you sing that national anthem, the Star-Spangled Banner, for the first time.
And what a moment, you know, what a moment.
Incredible.
Had my daughter there with me, my firstborn and she was witness to that. And so, you know, we honor that process, although it being a very expensive and a 14-year process, I honor it.
Jaco, you touched on your sports background. You're an entrepreneur. You were in the media industry, which you refer to what happened to your family.
That seems a lot on.
Why jump into this issue whatever you've got your hands filled with so many other things.
Yeah, you're right look I was I was born and raised on the stage.
I mean my mom was a theater professor so my first memory we're doing the musical, the student prince I was three years old so I was raised in the entertainment business which ended up being the business that trafficked my sister.
And so at the time, at 18, as I'm going to professional sport, the military, you've got a sister that's under duress.
And so it takes precedent.
Six years in, when Ilanka was rescued, by God's grace, I was there that night.
Peter, I'll just tell you my story.
I heard God's voice say, not another one.
And although I didn't quite know and understand what trafficking was at the time, this is 2001.
2001, I knew that this, this had to end through her eyes in the US after we arrived in Nashville, she called a family meeting and unpacked for us in detail, what men had done to her and how, and you know, you can't, you, your brain disconnects.
You don't want, you don't want to hear it, but you're hearing it because it's your sister.
And so everything I knew in the beginning, I learned from Ilonka.
That led us on this journey of fighting for every child and which led us to 2010 to realize that the United States is the leading nation in the world demanding the exploitation of people.
That's a fact. It's sadly so, but it's a fact.
We're demanding the highest demand on pornographic content, producing pornographic content, the distribution of CSAM, child sexual abuse material.
We lead the world in social media and app development, which has become the platform on which this is prolificated, right?
It's just, it's exploded since the age of social media.
And so since 2010, although we do a lot of work in other countries still, our organization has a hyper focus on the 50 states of the United States. And thank you for the quote early.
We believe we can save a child before they need to be rescued.
And what we mean by that is predators look for vulnerabilities in children.
If there's not a vulnerability, they'll exploit a potential vulnerability like love and belonging, care, shelter, food, community, identity, you know, and they'll explore what sticks and then they'll dig in.
And, you know, remember, it's a crime.
Human trafficking is such a broad term.
There's labor trafficking, debt bondage, sexual exploitation, sex trafficking.
But the crime of human trafficking by definition, which we had a hand in help write, is the exploitation of persons through the mechanism of force, fraud, and coercion.
And so those are the mechanisms predators use.
The bully uses force.
Fraud, coercion is so effective when you combine it with sexual exploitation, so for us we just learned how to use our relationships in media which is still ongoing and active.
Proud member of the blaze network with Glenn Beck.
We produce feature films.
We produce a lot of content and music and television.
We utilize those platforms now as sounding boards and awareness campaigns to drive all attention attention and focus to end the sexual exploitation of children.
That is our main focus, is to end trafficking.
Now, with that being said, our organization has four key pillars, of which one is policy and legislation.
Where we are unbelievably active in policy and legislation.
We've got great leaders of that in our organization, where we write bills for individual U.S. States, U.S. Senate, the House.
We consult.
We are even busy with a bill for the House of Lords to speak into how do we protect children in a community by us identifying the vulnerability, vulnerability securing the vulnerability before a predatory force gets to to exploit.
Tell me about the early days of starting the JBM, Jaco Booyan's Ministries?
Yeah, what were those kind of early days, because this is a huge issue and has got much worse there's so many facets where you can tackle this.
And you talk about media and legislation?
There are so many angles that you can start on.
And it seems as though this is something which actually is just too big to tackle.
And I'm sure a number of people have tried to look at this and walked away by the beast they see in front of them.
But tell us about those early days, how you started and how you grew in those first few years.
Yeah, what a question, man.
This is what makes you such a great interviewer, Peter, and congratulations on all the success of the show and the impact you're making.
It's because of questions like this.
That question is actually also the answer to the big problem.
You know, I came full circle, 30 years is a long time, Peter.
I mean, 30 years in, I now know that where we started is actually the solution to the problem.
We started by focusing on one child in one family, understanding that if the family breaks down, the child is vulnerable.
And so the solution to this multi-headed dragon monster that you're addressing is actually where we started.
We focused on one child, my sister, her story, her voice.
How did this happen?
Learning about where we were vulnerable and we didn't know as a family, because we have a mother that worked three jobs, actively engaged in every aspect of the lifestyle, but yet it's not a sound, stable family.
It's not.
And that's not to frown upon single-parent families.
They're to be celebrated, but they are vulnerable. We have to understand how they're vulnerable.
And so the early days was very tough because when Ilonka, first of all, when she went through trafficking.
The word human trafficking wasn't even socialized.
Law enforcement deemed it a runaway right away, quickly, as is happening today.
There was no policy and legislation.
We didn't have a definition for human trafficking in the US until 2015.
We didn't have laws on the books specific to child sex trafficking in the United States until 2015.
And so the early years from 2001 to 2015 was a desert.
You couldn't raise funds. You couldn't get anybody to repeat the word.
Nobody wanted to even know.
You couldn't talk about sexual exploitation and really child rape.
Rape it was it was just a taboo across the board and and there was these prayers of could we just see a day when people would at least want to talk about it.
Could we not just us but other amazing organizations that have championed this with us the problem was in the U.S. at that time and really still today to be honest on the heels of the Sound of Freedom movie.
Great film, we consulted on it know the guys well, but it still paints a misconception of really what's happening, is it paints this picture to the American population that the problem is elsewhere.
The problem is in Cambodia, it's in the Philippines, it's in Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, in the Congo, and then they tie the problem directly to poverty or displacement, right?
Right.
Sure.
Poverty and displacement plays a big role, but that's, in fact, no longer a driving factor.
You know, the fastest growing form of human trafficking globally and in the U.S. is what's called familial trafficking, where it's family members trafficking their own children, where the child is not homeless, is not a runaway, is not in the foster care system.
So, for years we fought to say, hey, wait a minute. It's not just over there.
It's here. It's in the U.S. And that's still a battle we face today.
So we come full circle because we thought for a time period around 2010 through 15, we started saying to law enforcement, look, you're arresting the wrong people.
You're arresting the victims and the Johns.
The bad guys are walking free.
The pimps and the predators are walking free.
You know, so we said, could we just get laws on the books?
And then we did. And then we thought that we could arrest ourselves out of the problem. And you realize you cannot.
Then we thought we could legislate ourselves out of the problem.
And we realized, as you do in the UK at the moment, just because the laws on the books doesn't mean it's adjudicated as such in the court of law.
And so you're not going to legislate yourself out of the problem, although we need great legislation.
So, how then do we fix this?
We heal the nuclear family.
That's how you fix this.
The fight starts at home.
Each parent, every child, you don't wait until a child is destitute.
Or, I mean, it is a constant bombardment, a barrage of attack on our Gen Z culture of misinformation, lies, deceit, and sexualized content, normalizing absolutely absurd behavior.
And so the law is tossed aside for social norm. So, once we realize that, okay, we started with, bonding one family together around one child, we come full circle and realize the only way to stop child sexual exploitation is to educate one family at a time for them to take ownership.
Over the problem, which means accountability, fortify that family, and do not allow any of the crazy that you fight and I fight into the family.
Don't allow them to radicalize the school system, the education platform, driving the church out of the home, bringing radicalized ideology through different religion, as you are literally living in every day, into the conversation because it disfranchised the strength of a family, which then renders that family completely vulnerable to predatory forces.
I want to get on to the demand you talked about, and there are all different points on the website that people, the viewers, listeners do need to go to and absorb some of that information, to realize the scale of what you face and how you're working towards a solution for this.
But the industry, you talk about kind of, well, people talk about industries, the lobby power of Big Pharma or the war industry or the food industry.
But the sex industry, the pornography industry, and then the people trafficking kind of coming together, that sex industry, that must be a powerful industry with their tentacles in governments, not only in the US, but worldwide.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, it's because of the nature of it, you know, Peter in my in my Ted Talk, I say I open my ted talk I believe with every single human being can be trafficked.
If I know your greatest vulnerability and your greatest need you can be trafficked well.
Finance is a mechanism of vulnerability. Finance.
The desire to be loved and understood and seen as every human being.
So, every human being is a sexual being.
So, when you take sex as a concept and you corrupt it, you're going to devastate and destroy.
Absolutely so, now you're seeing that sex, in fact, a drug in pornography, 100%, right?
It's actually very effective.
So, you'll find that when we work with law enforcement in the U.S. and there's a drug raid.
There's not always sex involved. There's not always guns smuggling involved.
There's not always money laundering or people smuggling involved. It could be drugs.
Where you fight sexual exploitation, all of the above are involved.
Every single human trafficking case has illegal weapons, money laundering, people smuggling, drugs, crime, homicide.
It's the one thing that begets all of it because it's the ultimate moral compromise.
Once you go to that level where you are willing to look the other way or be participant in subjecting a child to exploitation, all the rest is fair game.
So evil will play that card. And so when we talk about the size of that industry, we are in this year going to surpass the illegal drug trade in the U.S. With sexual exploitation.
It will become the number one crime in the U.S. Now, in 2023, it was a $152 billion U.S. crime, sorry, international crime.
$52 billion of the $152 billion was domestic, was U.S. So, a third of the world's human exploitation by dollar value is in the U.S. When you would consider sexual exploitation as a for-profit enterprise, publicly traded, it would be a Fortune 100 company in the US.
This is tax-free, which makes its EBITDA close to probably $5 billion, right?
Because it's all for gain and for profit. But it's not just money, Peter. It's the corruption of power.
I'll give you an example.
Were deep into this conversation and investigation in the Sean Combs P. Diddy case, like we were in 2007 and are currently in the Jeffrey Epstein case, Ghislaine Maxwell, Harvey Weinstein.
Why it's prevalent at those levels is the following. It's not just money. It's not that they're making money through sex.
Yes, they do. It's power and position.
It's compromise, it's throwing a freak out party. P. Diddy's party inviting a bunch of people, positioning activity that's illicit in front of everybody.
Compromising everybody at the party. Filming people. Get a knock on the door going, hey, you were at the party.
You're in a photograph with a minor.
You didn't talk to the minor.
You didn't touch the minor.
You didn't engage in the basement.
None of it.
But you are compromised.
And it's a tool, unbelievably prevalent tool in politics to sway votes, to move people, to move judges, to move.
Look, you've got a member of the royal family implicated in the Jeffrey Epstein case.
There is no level of society as low or high where you cannot use sex to compromise an individual for power, position, or finance.
And that's why it's so prevalent.
It's effective, highly effective, because it speaks to the moral compass of a man or a woman, the fortitude and the spine of saying no, even if it costs you everything.
And so when you take desire for political position, right now, one of our top things we're doing with the United Nations in the UK, and I shared this with you, is looking into premiership soccer, premiership football.
The amount of Premier League players that had been trafficked from Africa, right? It's, again, there's a young talent.
How do you control that talent?
You compromise the talent, take passports, visa, you compromise them sexually, you hold something over your head.
This is an effective tool that's in business and in public and private sector alike.
Is part of the problem under the demand issue, and you touched about a moral compass, you've also got an innate sexual desire compass.
And when that gift of sex is abused by society, by media, then we see the end result. Adult, but you've got men in positions of power and pornography and masculinity, sadly, have become mixed and therefore, and it's also seen as a non-victimless activity.
It's seen as actually, this is fine, this is natural and these women, I'm sure they've made this decision to enter this career.
You kind of come up against that of men in positions and why would any man in a position who enjoys pornography, why would you want to stop this?
It's kind of seen as normal and natural and yet you're giving a different message which hits at it from an angle of truth that people don't want to accept I assume.
Yeah, look.
Taking accountability and personal responsibility for anything, as a father, for you as a father, right?
Staring your faults and your mistakes in the face and say, I own them.
That human nature shies away from that.
Even if it's not sex, just making a mistake, saying, hey, that was me. I own it.
I'm going to fix it. I'm going to do better next time.
By nature, people don't want to do that. When it is sexual compromise now it's secret in my world it's secret it's private.
It is their self-condemnation most of most men if they're honest they'll tell you right after they watch porn they feel guilty, they feel empty, they feel void, it does not fulfill them, and it will not, it cannot, because they've objectified a person where that where there's a dissonance, you know, there's a disassociation with nobody is being harmed.
Let me give you some statistics real quick, okay? Over 80% of what the world deems prostitutes, over 80% of those women have filed rape charges.
And you would say, well, how is a prostitute able to file a rape charge? It's easy.
All she has to do in the moment is say, 'no.' It's not consensual.
Well, you're branded a prostitute, so it must always be consensual.
No, there's no irrevocable consent, right?
Over 80%, get this number, 87% of what the world today classifies as prostitutes, we're talking about adult women now, right, had been sexually exploited as minors.
So are they prostitutes?
They're actually, in fact, not prostitutes.
Because you have to understand the human behavioural science, the mind, the psyche, what happens to sex hormones in the brain, puberty, what actually happens to a human being with sexual encounter and interaction. It's chemical.
It's metaphysical.
It's physical.
It's biological.
It's not just a feeling.
There's real reaction and there's bonding and tearing, bonding and tearing.
This is why divorce is so detrimental.
This is why having multiple sexual partners, there's a tearing because it's a bonding agent.
It's the most vulnerable, most intimate moment a human being will ever be in.
Complete exposure, nudity, nakedness, heart, emotion.
So, it's this constant bonding, tearing, bonding, tearing.
When you normalize that, you decimate culture.
Here's some statistics.
There's not a single civilization recorded in the history of mankind that embraced sexual exploitation that survived three generations, not one.
Rome fell because of this.
The Mayan culture fell.
The Greeks fell.
The Asian culture fell to where the Chinese have outlawed pornography completely.
They'll give the US TikTok with porn and the UK TikTok, but porn is illegal in China.
Why?
They understand that it will kill their culture.
Porn is the most destructive weapon on the face of the earth because it seems normal. It's sex.
Here's another thing.
Do you know that in Nevada, the state of Nevada that has legal brothels, and it's not on the Vegas strip, by the way, there's not a single legal brothel on the Vegas strip.
The areas in Nevada that has legal brothels.
Most of those women have pimps.
Most of those women perform pornography because they're not making enough money to make their quota on general sex trafficking on the Vegas Strip.
Most of those women in organized porn are intoxicated, are manipulated.
What I want men to understand is when you objectify a woman or a man, the violation of privacy.
What if it was your daughter?
For young men, your future wife.
The violation of privacy by observing porn, just observing it, watching it, you are creating demand for another human being to be exploited.
And it is exploitation, whether they understand it or not. Remember, most victims don't self-identify.
So, we are asking for human beings to be exploited, while we are frowning upon racism and all these things.
There's more slaves today, sex slaves, than ever before in human history, ever before.
We are dealing with a cataclysmic problem here in society where now we're looking at it and go, well, if we normalize it, there's Germany two weeks ago legalizing the possession of child.
Pornography.
Okay, I hear you. How did the individual obtain the child pornography?
A child was exploited.
So, you could say it's legal to possess it, but then you're saying it's legal to create it.
So, the child has no defence.
The child is a sitting duck.
That culture, you mark my words, the German culture is going to implode.
It will implode.
It'll be decimated at the core because it's the ultimate moral compromise.
When you have a situation in the UK where you have rape gangs, when you have a situation in the UK where there's no go zones, where you have a situation in the UK where a doctrine that does not frown upon sex with children becomes normalized.
You're going to lose the culture.
You'll be decimated like the Romans.
You will lose it all.
There is no way around this.
If you cannot protect, for me as a Christian, it's a mandate, Peter.
But even if you're not a Christian, let me tell you, if you cannot protect the vulnerable of your culture, the most vulnerable children, you don't have a future.
Forget about them standing up for freedom, for liberty and justice, for our constitution, your constitution, for be kind to your neighbour, be a good citizen.
You are having a Gen Z class.
That is the most self exploitive class in human history.
They sell their own bodies on OnlyFans.
The girls in, and I've been on many UK campuses, go talk to them, ask them what's their body count, what's their sexual partner relations like.
They've lost count.
They've lost hope and they're empty.
So pornography in any form, hentai, animation, porn, pornography is the entry drug into human exploitation and human trafficking.
Speaking, I've never met a single paedophile, child trafficker, convicted trafficker that was not a porn addict that has not told me it started with pornography.
And the drug no longer sustains the dopamine requirement.
So, it has to go to harder core porn than it goes to purchasing sex from an adult.
That doesn't satisfy.
And the ultimate end goal is prepubescent sexual encounter, which is where you see Germany going on a bullet train.
I agree. It's a massive concern watching that legislation.
Jaco, you talked about your faith right at the beginning.
And on the website, you say you're led by the Holy Spirit.
Tell me where the church fits into this, because we've seen the church in the UK shy away from any major issues, and as long as they can have their Bible study on a Wednesday and their service on a Sunday morning, they've ticked those boxes, and we see a church withdrawing from society.
What's it like for you as a high-profile individual on this huge, horrendous, dark issue that needs to be addressed and that no one really, if you talk to anyone in the street, no one would disagree with anything you say.
Then you get down to actually them doing something that's a different issue.
But where is the church in this?
Where are Christians in this, especially over there in the US?
You know, earlier, and I can't be a hypocrite.
And I told you this before, every morning I start my day in the mirror asking myself if I'm part of the problem.
Do I look the other way?
Do I see something and not say something?
Am I in some way, you know, demanding for some human being to be exploited?
And the answer has to be absolutely not.
So as a non-hypocrite, I'm going to tell you, the church has been nowhere in this conversation, because the church has believed the separation of church and state, and the church can't speak into societal issues, and the church is not supposed to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And I'm now speaking to the church, and I'm speaking to all denominations, not just Catholicism that's very prevalent in the UK history.
I'm talking to the Protestants, you know, all of them, right?
The Anglicans, you know, the non-denominationalists.
Our faith is not a faith of gathering, tapping each other on the shoulder and saying, hey, let's have Bible study.
The greatest commandment of our faith to the one we serve, Jesus Christ, is go into all the nations and disciple, which means bring solutions, kingdom solutions to earthly problems.
He tells Peter, pray on earth as in heaven.
Heaven, our Father who art in heaven, on earth as in heaven, meaning bring heavenly, Holy Spirit-led, divine, scriptural, foundational solutions to great earthly problems like foster care and abortion and racism and whatever conversation you want to have.
If the church does not actively engage with solutions in love, not in hate, in love, but with truth, which is the word of God in the public square, the church is in fact abandoning their watch post on the wall.
That is, Peter, Ezekiel 33, 7 says, if the watchman on the wall, which by biblical precedent is the believer, the Christian.
If the watchman on the wall does not warn society of an injustice that it sees, meaning speak into it, speak biblical truth, not a fluid biblical worldview, not a watered down false gospel, the gospel.
If a Christian, each individual, does not actively speak with their mouth into that injustice, then the blood of is on the hands of the watchman.
If that watchman, the Christian engages in culture in these conversations that you're having with Brexit, with the parliamentarians, the house of lords; what's happening.
If they don't engage in election conversation from a biblical worldview, if they don't preach it from the pulpit, right?
They're in fact the watchman with the blood on their hands.
You can't as a Christian stand and say well look at Joe Biden, what is happening to America?
We are, we're having drag shows for kids.
We are losing our culture.
My question immediately is where was the church when they drove you know prayer out of school?
Where is the church when we say: hey we're going to show up at a drag show for kids and say this is not okay.
They don't show up.
So, the role of the church, in fact, the Messiah we follow, Jesus Christ, didn't even have a home, Peter.
Didn't have a building, met under trees and went town to town to do what?
Meet need, feed people, heal people, right?
And spread a different message, a gospel that's a gospel of love, but correction, accountability, take ownership, wait for the British Parliament to save your family.
You've got stewardship over your family, over your community, your child's school, right?
And so Christians have abdicated their social responsibility because we've made the gospel just about me and my salvation.
And now it's private.
And now I'm not even a contributor to society.
I'm just hoarding faith.
But the Great Commission is go and spread this news.
So, the church is complicit, 100%.
When we are told Jesus went around doing good, destroying the works of the enemy, that verse is enough to live by until our dying day.
Jaco, let me finish off just on the opposition you face on this issue.
You talk about legislation.
I'm sure there's opposition there.
I know you're heavily involved in the media and I had the privilege of you showing me around the Blaze studio.
And I felt a little bit of envy rising up as you were showing me around the facilities you have.
Where does the opposition come from? Is it the political?
Is it the media?
Or is it lobby groups? Because again, publicly, no one will reject your message.
But privately, there must be opposition to what you're doing or else we will see this situation eradicated.
I agree with you.
You know, the people in general, if we go into what I love, and I'm just going to say this, I love walking from Piccadilly to the West End.
I love that walk all the way to Waterloo Bridge.
I love that city, right?
And when I stop people, I'll never forget, there was a group of kindergartners that were connected with a yellow vest, a bright yellow vest, and their teachers were all around them. And they were protecting them, walking through on a field trip through Piccadilly Circus, right?
And there was an immediate reverence by the people they made way.
In general, the public's gonna agree.
Look, when they look in the eyes of a child, yeah, we've got to protect that child.
The problem comes in when they abdicate their voice to government and they abdicate their voice.
Well, this parliamentarian, this member of the House of Lords will speak on my behalf.
They will not.
They will not.
They've got a different mission.
Their mission is to stay in office.
Their mission is to stay in power.
The Uniparty, the globalists, their mission is to not have their own personal faults exposed to the world, to not lose position.
So, the problem comes with general society agrees, but general society doesn't speak up and general society doesn't hold those who have been elected accountable.
So now by default, we're forfeiting power to organizations.
And so our biggest opposition comes from political parties on both sides of the aisle in every country.
The Republicans, the Democrats, there's as much opposition sometimes in the House of Lords to a subject like age verification for social media websites.
The second I bring that up, they go, wait a minute.
Okay, well, hold on.
Or when you bring up freedom of speech should not protect pornography to children.
That's not a right, right?
And that's what Germany grappled with.
Do I think the German culture on the ground in the countryside want to see pornography children?
Absolutely not. But they lost their voice.
They've given it over. So in the U.S., our top opposition is big tech.
Think how well they're funded.
Big pharma.
Absolutely.
Big pharma as making a radical push for gender modification, puberty blockers, you know, sexual alteration of children, massive push, and they throwing money at politicians to sway votes.
We have now an official pornography lobby, not against porn, for porn on K Street, over a hundred million dollar funded porn lobby that knocks on the doors of politicians every day and coerce them to legalize porn, child porn, to lower the age of consent.
We've got a gigantic opposition in the non-faith community.
We have a massive fight with radicalized Islam. It's just a fact. It's just a fact because societally in that religion, they don't frown upon. Activities we frown upon as an American culture.
I'm reminded in the last Soccer World Cup, I was asked to work with the Qataris on an anti-trafficking campaign.
And I said, I cannot, because you guys don't frown upon having eight-year-old child brides.
That's the trafficking, the selling of little girls.
And their response to me was, well, would you help us to say trafficking of boys is frown upon?
I said, this is asinine.
It's insane.
Which FIFA stepped up and said, hey, we're against trafficking of all sorts.
But culturally, when you abandon your core culture as a nation for a foreign entity to come in, and you're not asking that entity to become British.
And I'm not saying they got to love bangers and mash, you know, but culturally who what what is the fabric and the fibre of of of Great Britain.
What is what is an American what is the we do not consent with the exploitation of children in this country we do not agree with hate or racism we do not agree that that you shouldn't have freedom of speech, a first and second amendment.
You cannot come to this country from a Joseph Kabila regime in the Congo and think that you can come cut people's limbs off.
That's not okay.
And the second culture loses its voice that we don't agree.
You have people speaking on your behalf, but they're not speaking on your behalf.
They're speaking on their own behalf and on their own compromise.
And you lose your culture.
Jaco, I really appreciate your time.
I'm intrigued and excited at the work you're doing and for the viewers and listeners maybe you haven't come across your mister before how do they how do they partner with you how do they support you?
I know you've got a shop on the website. I'm sure you've got a donate button. I mean how do people become part of what you're doing?
Yeah, thank you.
Our number one social platform we use is is Instagram.
We're on X and Twitter but But there's massive censorship of our voice on some of those platforms.
Please go to HelpJBM, Juliet Bravo Mike, Help, Jacobooyens Ministries, Help JBM.org. Number one thing I want your viewers to do is to get educated on our website, how to protect their own families, how to have a conversation with their teenager.
How do predators talk online?
Is your child already engaging with a predator on DMs, on social media?
Secondly, they can help us for a nominal fee save lives period to rescue children from trafficking, fortify them, partner with us in donations but they can also partner with us by by becoming ambassadors in their community; distributing truth and educating families on how to how to protect men, women, and children from sexual exploitation.
Jaco, thank you so much for saying that I know the viewers and listeners will really want to go delve into the website and support you in any way possible.
So, thank you so much for coming along and sharing the work you're doing.
Appreciate you, Peter.
God bless you.

Trump Conviction Special: The Week According To . . . Karli Bonne'

America is now a banana republic.In a sham trial, a jury has convicted Donald Trump on 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels in the run-up to the 2016 election. Ms Daniels says that they had a sexual encounter in 2006, which the former president denies.Does this signal the death of the US legal system? The death of Justice? The death of Democracy? And ultimately the death of America?Karli Bonne' returns to Hearts of Oak to dissect all that has happened.
Karli Bonne' is a retired model, dancer and a Rockstar wanna be.Now she is a full blown MAGA maniac video clipper with three phones running, arguably the biggest Trump, MAGA, America First social media account.She is a proud New Yorker and Patriot, continuously laughing at the establishment because it’s like holy water on a demon, and these demons must be eradicated.
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Recorded  31.5.24
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Alistair Williams - Faith and Laughter: A Journey to Authenticity and Truth in a Challenging Industry

Show Notes and Transcript
We are delighted to welcome comedian Alistair Williams to share his journey of remaining authentic in the comedy industry despite pressure to conform to mainstream narratives. He integrates his Christian faith into his comedy, prioritizing faith over worldly concerns and uses his talents to spread joy and truth. Alistair discusses the impact of satire in conveying truths and highlights the challenges of balancing industry expectations with personal convictions. He emphasizes the importance of upholding moral integrity in a secular world, advocating for spreading Christian values through comedic work. The conversation delves into societal values, the decline of ethical grounding, and the need to discern biblical truths amidst challenges and industry pressures. We end this interview by discussing the struggles content creators face aligning their work with faith and values in the current economic landscape and the significance of staying true to one's beliefs and spreading messages of faith and truth.
Alistair Williams, a self-proclaimed “rambling moron,” emerges as a rising star on the UK comedy scene. He’s soared through the ranks, claiming the Piccadilly Comedy Club’s New Comedian of the Year 2014 award, securing spots in prestigious competitions and recently he was crowned 'British Comedian Of The Year 2023'. A firm believer in Free Speech and a fearless ’Soldier of God’, Alistair is a charismatic observational storyteller, combining high energy with a knack for crafting top-tier material. Whether winning awards or reaching finals, he’s on a rapid ascent to comedic stardom. 
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Interview recorded  27.5.24
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
I am delighted today to be joined by comedian Alistair Williams. Alistair, thank you so much for your time today.
(Alistair Williams)
Anytime. Anytime. Good afternoon.
Great to have you on.
Obviously, people can follow you @awilliamscomedy, which is your Twitter or X handle. And, of course, on Rumble, it's just Alistair Williams.
And on it, you talk about, I think, your two phrases, more or less, on your Twitter is, Real comedian.
Soldier of God and I want to delve into both of those which are separate, but you do mix them like asking whether God wants to cut down ULEZ cameras or remember on comedy only, so you do mix them up the times, but you're some of the some of the the comments I've seen about you online Alistair Williams is quickly making a name for himself with razor sharp content and high what charm unafraid of tackling rough subject matter.
He's a passionate health campaigner combining raw personal antidotes on a jam-packed gag count and slick extroverted style. Another one says he is smart, passionate, impressively quick-witted and bursting with infectious confidence. So there you go.
They're just some of the...
Things I wrote about myself off the internet.
That was off your Twitter page, so I didn't want to say that.
Alistair, before we get on to kind of your life in comedy and what that means for you maybe you could just take a moment to introduce yourself especially to our kind of half U.S audience who may not have come across you, so maybe just introduce yourself give us a bit of your background story.
Sweet okay, well I'm a stand-up comedian.
I would say I'm one of, if not the most censored stand-up comedian in the world.
I had a YouTube channel that was pretty popular that got cancelled.
Most of the comedy clubs in UK, the major ones sort of stopped booking me at the same time after I had this really viral piece piece of comedy go viral about Brexit at the time and the whole internet started sharing.
Just at that time, the exact same time the comedy industry decided I did, or this guy has to never be seen again.
You know, I used to have like an agent I used to, I was on the TV, but, I quickly figured out after my first TV experience that it doesn't really matter how funny you are, unless you are willing to be malleable, unless you are willing to change what you're saying to fit in with the narrative of what the television says.
Like you're never going to be, a stand-up comedian, basically comedies, pretty much one of, if not the most controlled medium there is. And people were surprised about that.
There was, I thought you guys would be the main guys who would be allowed to say whatever they want.
It's like, yeah, that's why we're the most policed.
Because, yeah, we would be the guys to say, you know, or during the pandemic, for example, if something was ridiculous and, hey, this is crazy and stupid and laughable, like we should be the people pointing it out.
But where were those famous comedians during the pandemic?
They were out there saying, if you haven't got vaccinated, punch yourself in the face, you know, or the famous musicians, the rock and roll guys, you know, where were they during the pandemic?
You know, the stick it to the man.
They were like, get vaccinated.
You can't come to the show.
Like, you know so very quickly sort of opened my eyes.
Oh okay.
Being famous, I'm such an idiot I'm so naïve I actually thought like being famous was about like being talented or being good at stuff.
But very quickly I figured out; oh that has got absolutely nothing to do it's got nothing literally nothing to do with it, you know.
So, my one and only T.V recording like most of the comedians on there were bombing like they were getting like no laughs they were dying on their ass out there.
And then when I watched the TV recording back, they were just cutting in laughs and images of everyone next to all this awful stuff that died on its ass in the room.
When was that Comedy Central piece you did? How far back was that?
That was; weesh, maybe I want to say like 2017 or somewhere around there, somewhere around there, but I remember at the time the people that were managing me were trying to get me to change and say this and not say that and and I refused basically.
I thought if I'm funny I'm just gonna make it, and that, that is not the case.
So, they actually, if you find the clip, they actually put another comedian's name on my clip.
That's how much they don't want people to know who I am.
They put my piece of comedy out there on the internet.
And then another comedian's name comes up after it.
Because, I remember thinking this comedy is good.
People are going to want to find me after this. And they were like, oh yeah, we thought of that.
Don't worry.
So yeah, you know, and you never saw me on television again.
And at the television recording, like literally I smoked that recording.
Like it was it was clear like: whoa this guy's really funny you never saw me on TV again, because it's not it's not about that.
It's not about it certainly isn't about being funny, hasn't been for a long time.
Well back, it was your, was it the Edinburgh festival 2016 then which is just obviously before that comedy central and you read that was your first debut solo show.
I mean, maybe what led what led up to that, because people have really no idea what happens in the comedy circuit behind the scenes, it is quite cutthroat.
I assume just like probably music a very cutthroat, but what led you to to getting that gig at the Edinburgh festival and then what followed on from there?
Well, it's a good question and this is how they control comedy in this country right.
They say: if you want to be a famous comedian.
If you want to be good you want to be professional.
You have to go to the Edinburgh comedy festival.
Okay, because they tell you this is the only place comedy industry ever go; it's like one week a year or sorry one month a year in August.
I was like, aren't they going to be in the comedy clubs like watching me do really well?
They're: oh no no they're never going to see that.
That's ridiculous, I'm like what do they do the rest of the year apart from August?
Anyway, they say: you've got to go to Edinburgh, right, and that's where the tv people might see you and you have to get a good review, okay.
Then people that write for the newspapers have to like you and this is how they control it, so all the comedians go to Edinburgh and if you're on narrative, if you're like a rabid left wing.
You know, the time when I was coming up, it was like, men are toxic.
You know, if you did a show about, you know, men being rapists or whatever, it didn't have to have any jokes in it.
You know, the, the lady that won one jokes in an hour, all the guardian journalists and stuff were like: Oh, this is incredible.
It's a future in the comedy. You know, this is amazing.
And your agent or manager at the time would tell you to go to Edinburgh and you had to do an hour and they would tell you, you know, what's the worst thing that ever happened to you.
What's the most traumatic thing like, you know, oh your mom died, I said right that's that's your hour, you know, and they turn comedy into like this half drama, half emotion.
They just sort of get the spine and rip it out of there and you know mix it with acting and they just decimate the up comedy industry from Edinburgh, because they pull everyone into Edinburgh and they get all the journalists to review the show.
And if it's anything, you know, right wing or off narrative they either don't come to review it or if they do they give it two stars, and you know, that so they can control it by this small group of journalists who control who gets to be you know a stand-up comedian in the united kingdom.
It certainly doesn't work.
I used to think well if everyone's laughing in the crowd, I'm you know, I'm gonna make it.
And the more I focused on that the more I realized; hey these people in Edinburgh they literally they hate me.
These journalists and stuff they hate me, because I'm not on their narrative and I quickly realized oh they're using comedy to control the way people think.
But, before I was even a Christian, I never wanted to compromise on what I thought, because at the time it was all feminism and racism and stuff.
And basically what I figured out they were doing, it's like, you're getting men to hate women.
You're getting women to hate men.
You're getting black people to hate white people.
You're getting white people to hate black people.
And I never wanted to contribute to that.
Instead, I wanted to try and bring both both sides together, always.
And that just, you know, made me so unpopular with the comedy industry, essentially. They were always telling me to change the way I think, because the way I think was wrong.
You know, and when I wouldn't change, they just sort of kicked me out of the comedy industry.
And, you know, they made it very clear that, you know, you're never going to get anywhere going it this way.
So then I filmed my own stuff, put it out myself, made it go viral myself.
And that's when they were like, okay, now you can't do comedy.
But now we're going to stop you just getting anywhere near the microphone.
If you're going to record it yourself and put it out now, you're not allowed, you're not allowed to work anymore.
So, then I started live streaming and doing YouTube videos for a couple of years.
Built myself up a big YouTube channel.
Then they're like, right: you're not allowed to do YouTube either.
It's like, okay, you guys really, really are a bunch of losers. You know what I mean? Like they can win.
When did you get taken off YouTube?
What was it for?
They never tell you what it's for.
Never ever tell you what it's for.
But what happened was they gave me two strikes for, you know, nonsense.
I think one of them was like cyber bullying or something.
I think i'm out there cyber bullying, something ridiculous, so at that point I would just read the Bible on my live stream every Sunday.
So, it's kind of like; okay so you've got to give me one more strike here, I'm just going to read the Bible.
It's like your move you want to strike me for reading the bible, you know, that'll be why people are like why did you get kicked off YouTube?
I'm like well I was reading the bible they kicked me off, because no one believes that.
Everyone's like no it can't have been, that it's like that bro that's all I was doing on two strikes.
You know and I would just do that every week and that's turned into one of my favourite things that I do now.
Church on Sunday live stream every week.
And it's and it was sort of born out of that, so yeah.
You tube's the same. I mean you're fully aware.
Your audience is probably fully aware that you know they used to control everything on television and then we were like; oh we're on YouTube we're free.
Now, they just control everything on YouTube, you know.
Like everything out there is is controlled pretty much even the alternatives to YouTube, you know, it's very difficult if you want to give people something new to think about to get it out there.
I know, it is and I want to delve into that Christian aspect, because I remember having James Delingpole on talking about; I mean he does regularly does a video on the Psalms going through it.
You do that Sunday evening just reading through scripture and it's something which stands out as something quite different.
I think the only other person I've seen doing it regularly is is dry Sherry Tenpenny and actually fitting that into not a separate thing not this is my Christian persona, but hey, here's my comedy or here's my journalism or here's my activism
But actually, putting that all together is intriguing.
I think, quite different, but I want to delve into that. But I want to ask you more about, just being a comedian, doing the live shows, it must be...
It looks bloody difficult and nerve-wracking.
I mean you're there, you present yourself, you put yourself out there on a live thing in front of the audience.
If they don't find your set funny that's going to be a very long set for you that's going to last for eternity.
Tell me about that, because you're really you're putting yourself out there to be ridiculed and mocked if not then if not laughed at you're going to be ridiculed.
That's the easiest part of the job.
Me, I don't ever worry about that.
You know, I tell people that's the easy bit.
The hard bit is if you make room for people to laugh, it's surviving the attacks that are going to come to knock you out if you're, you know, trying to tell people the truth in today's day and age, which is what comedy is.
Good comedy is true. It always is. People, oh, that's so true, especially if you're coming up with some observation that was right in front of them and they didn't see it before.
Oh, that's so true. Isn't that true?
Everyone's laughing because they're like, oh, what he's saying is true, and we never realized it.
That's what comedy is.
That's what good comedy is.
And if you're actually out there, so much of what people have in front of them now is deception, right?
And if you're actually out there trying to, you know, open people's eyes and show people how they're lying to you about this and they're lying to you about that, you know, you're going to have, I have so much trouble off, off the mic, on the mic.
And it's actually made me better if anything, because I very quickly realized it doesn't matter how much I make these people laugh, you know.
They're never going to let me do this properly.
They're never going to give me a Netflix special.
They're never going to do it.
So, it doesn't matter.
So, I go on there just like, hey, you know, I literally don't care.
I literally don't care.
It's like even like the comedy clubs, I quickly realized it doesn't matter how good I do.
You know, some of the comedy clubs where I used to do my best work, they just never had me back one day.
You know, they just didn't want me back.
And I never upset a single audience member.
You know, I never did anything.
It was right after the Brexit booking thing.
That obviously, there is a single entity somewhere that controls the whole of the entertainment industry.
And you could tell that during the COVID pandemic.
Where was the one person who was famous, who had a slightly different point of view to what the whole world was told was the case?
There wasn't one.
And if there was one, Matt Le Tissier is a good example.
They're straight out of there, and all of a sudden it's a, this guy's a nutcase and he's now a maniac.
And, you know, there's, and that shows you how controlled this whole thing is.
Music, film, comedy, anything like anyone who is not saying what they want.
You just, you'll never hear of them.
You'll never hear of them.
Like there's probably a couple of exceptions, but I can't think of any during the pandemic who put their neck on the line and said, I disagree with what's being done here.
No, but I think people are quick to rewrite history as well, because now you've got many people who say, I was always against the woke agenda.
I was always against the COVID tyranny. And you're kind of thinking, well, you've come at the 11th hour. I'm really happy you've woken up.
This is great.
But I didn't realize you were there in the trenches with us back in the first couple of months. Have you seen that same thing in comedy?
I mean, in comedy, I mean, there was probably a few more people in comedy is with my circle that were like, Hey, wait a minute, something's up with this, you know, Tanya Edwards, Abi Roberts.
There's more, you know, there was probably a few more in comedy, which I would expect. Cause it's like, hey, you guys are supposed to be.
You're observant for a living.
You know what I mean? You're pointing out absurdity for a living.
It's like, come on, it must be a few more of you, who are, like wait a second this is nonsense.
So, I think there was more there was more in comedy than than anywhere else, but it's still very rare for someone to, because they just take everything away from you, you know, in in any walk of life; whether you're a doctor or a policeman or whether you're in the army or the navy or whatever, you know.
Like I heard this chap who's you know a fighter pilot guy on The Delingpod and he started saying.
You know, basically, hey, wait a minute.
We're not really hiring people on, you know, how good they are at flying planes.
We're just trying to get black lesbians in here.
It's like, you're out.
You know, someone who has a genuine concern for like, wait a second, the security of the country might be at risk here.
It's like, right, get him out of there.
You know, and it's not just, that's what I'm saying.
There's one entity that controls it all because the same thing is happening across every single industry.
It can't be possible that the same guy that runs comedy runs the RAF, can it? You know what I mean?
Why are the same things happening everywhere?
Especially as most people that you meet on the street, they don't agree with any of this crap.
It's not like everyone's like, oh, yeah, I totally agree with that.
You've struggled to find one maniac that agrees with 90% of the stuff that's being done, but yet it's all still being done.
People are too cowardly to say, I disagree with that, because they know what happens if they do disagree with that.
Thankfully, being a man of faith, I know that everything I have comes from God's hand and I don't need to worry about what the world wants to scare me we might take away your income or do this.
It's like God gives me that, everything I need comes from him.
So, you know there's nothing you can do to me that he won't allow, so I'm actually just going to do whatever what he wants me to do and, you know, that's why I think you see a lot of people of faith who don't go along with this stuff, because it's it's actually a bit of a paper tiger if you like you know these people.
They're not really as in charge of the world as they pretend hand that they are.
Well, how's that fit? I want to keep until later, but let me just touch on that point, because one of the pastors I really like in the UK, one of his favourite verses is from John, where you seek men who seek the praise of other men, seeking the praise of God.
And everyone wants that public adoration and seems to, as even many Christians seem to forget, that actually you should be looking to God for that praise or that viewpoint, that value. How does that affect you as, again, someone who is out there, who's putting themselves out?
And most comedians, I guess, they live or die on those laughs of an audience or those clicks. But there's a Christian you're enjoying this, but that's not where your value lies.
No, but I've everyone's been given certain talents by god and god is expecting a return on these talents.
I know the talents that god's given me i know which area they're in.
I know what he made me to do and he is expecting a return on this investment.
And one day I will stand before him and all the other work I've done will be burned up apart from the stuff that I did for Jesus.
So, this is one of the reasons I'm so keen on keeping church on Sunday going.
You know what I mean?
I'm keen to use whatever talents I have to let people know about him, basically.
And that's what keeps me going.
Because I've realized it doesn't matter how funny I am or how good I am at this.
They're never going to let me have a career.
That's quite freeing in a way, more than anything else.
It's like, well, then I don't have to worry about it.
I've already burned all those bridges there. You know what I mean?
Like not that they were ever going to let me over those bridges, but you know really sort of on my Brexit Burger King video; I really, I sort of little put little subtitles on there that was like oh the crowd's actually laughing this guy's never going to work at the BBC.
So, I really did sort of just be like, you know, in a slightly sort of childish way I'd give them a bit of a up yours, as you know what I mean? But that's something that I feel quite strongly about, is like that I feel like they're deliberately ruining comedy.
They're deliberately ruining film.
They're deliberately ruining music.
And as someone that believes in God and knows how much God wants joy to be in the world, one of the first things I experienced when I started being a comedian was I was just trying to make people happy.
Literally, that was it.
I was just trying to bring people joy.
And man, they were after me so bad.
And I was like, wait a minute, I'm literally just trying to spread joy.
And I realized how much the world, hates people that are just out there spreading joy.
And that was one of the first things that made me realize, hang on, there's something, something up with this world here.
This is before I even believe in God.
It was like some weirds going on.
Cause I'm just trying to do a nice thing here.
And I'm getting, getting so attacked for this, that there's some evil out here that I haven't really wrapped my head around yet. And then it was a sort of snowball effect from there.
I want to go back and ask you about that. Burger King skit.
And kind of most of public I will think, you know, if you can put forward a good position it's like being part of a debate society.
Maybe in journalism, if you can put forward a rational argument then, you win the day.
We find that not to be the case, but you think then comedy, if you can put forward a position and make it comical make, it humorous, then you should you should really win, because people will laugh and you can put forward any position, whatever it is, as long as you can get people to laugh and you kind of think: well Brexit that skit.
There's no way you can say: oh you're racist for that you're xenophobic for that, you hate this, you hate that.
Actually, it's funny and you're making a point, but that wasn't good enough, I mean tell us about that and why simply putting forward a position no matter what people think.
Even if it's funny it doesn't necessarily hit the mark and doesn't accept it.
Well, the funny thing about that is it's like, people watch that and they go, but you're not even really picking a side here.
You're just, you know, people that voted remain laughed and people who voted to leave for it was funny.
And that's sort of what I was told in the beginning.
I'm always looking for just down.
How can I get everyone in this room?
How can I get two people that should hate each other based on this?
And it's all cooked up, dude.
It's all, oh, I'm a remainer.
I'm a leaver, dude.
They come up with these things to make you hate each other.
I'm pro-vaccine, I'm anti-vaccine, we hate each other.
It's like, I'm white, I'm black, we hate each other.
It's like, they will give you a million things.
You know, Ukraine, Russia, Israel, Palestine, just go on and on and on.
It's the oldest trick in the book, you know, divide and conquer.
So, I was like, let me see if I can come up with something that's going to get the whole room okay.
But the reason it wasn't allowed is because it wasn't on the narrative.
It wasn't, if you voted to leave, you hate black people.
You know that was and that's what every comedian was doing at the time.
On the BBC ad nauseum, you know, just terrible comedy like that, and it's like if comedy, and the reason why I got in so much trouble Brexit isn't working is exposed the whole industry as being a fraud.
You know, it's like you're all you're doing is comedy on Brexit all the time and everyone hates it it's dead.
And then I come along explode a room with Brexit which every comedian there's just mind to death and everyone hates it.
And boom I blow it up.
I should have been everywhere.
They should have been like, oh get him on the BBC get him here this guy can make Brexit funny.
No you never saw me again.
They were like bury this guy.
He's doing comedy properly, because if you put someone like me out there that's doing it properly it makes it even more obvious that the rest of them are just, you know, there's: oh here's another joke about how people are racist.
It's like oh dude everyone hates this is stop, stop, please stop, you know, throw bread rolls at them now they do, stop, you know.
So it's really...
They can't let me anywhere near being a widely known comedian now, because it just, it really does expose how fake the industry is.
Because if you're, if you're really out there looking for funny comedians and you know, you watch that and that's, that's the reason why I lost my career.
That, that joke, it's not even someone who's offended.
I'm pretty special in that I'm cancelled and you can't even, they can't even get me on: well you said this and that was wrong ,you know what mean?
They can't even get me on that, so they just sort of silently cancel you they just remove all your live work slowly and cancel your YouTube channel and when they really want to cancel you you just, bro, you just fade away, and silently.
They don't, you're like Andrew Tate where it's like: "I'm cancelled, and he's everywhere.
You know what I mean?
It's like I'm cancelled I'm going live on Piers Morgan to talk about it.
Dude, if the establishment hated you you would not be on Piers Morgan, you're mad. Like the whole; oh Piers Morgan uncensored.
Bro who is censoring you?
You spend your whole career on like CNN and stuff.
If there's anyone who's more of an establishment toady, it's you.
You know the whole thing of like, oh we're cancelled but everyone knows our name. It's like that's not the thing.
The real cancel people, you never heard of them, that's how it really works.
But I know of the two very high profile comedians that always tell us how they're against the system in every way.
I look at two Netflix specials.
And I wonder how that kind of, just like those who have massive YouTube channels now, I wonder, how is that possible if you're being restricted?
Something doesn't add up.
You know their name, they're in the game.
That's the way it works.
But the enemy is very clever.
There's always going to be a counter-narrative.
There's always going to be people who I don't agree with the official narrative and I want something else.
It's like, oh, cool, we got that for you.
We got someone, we got that for you as well.
You know what I mean?
It's like, they're not dumb, and they're not going to give you any real dangerous opposition, but they will give you some people that, 'hey, we're the opposition,' you know.
But for people with discernment, you know, it's not hard to figure out who those people might be or what's going on.
But also, you know, you look at some incredibly famous comedians, you know, and you think, well, why is this guy allowed?
Like Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes or whatever.
You remember that?
And he was like: hey you guys are all paedophiles you've been having sex with children, and they were all just like.
You know there's all these clips of them being like..
We'll bring you back next year.
Yeah , yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, do you honestly think that they didn't know he was gonna say that, and you know what I mean?
And they're like: you understand how dead you would be if they really didn't want that information getting out there and you just jumped on the mic and just blasted them, you know, but when you look at the, you can always look at like what was the reaction from that? People were like: oh, they got what they deserved.
He roasted them. ]
It's like, bro if what he was saying is true, these people need to be in jail.
It's not like they, got roasted, take that.
It's like, they've sort of normalized it with that move you, know what I mean.
It's like, they were ridiculed, they've served their time. It's like, hang on a minute. Like, do you really stop and think about that: it's like you can't go to this.
This is an industry awards thing right you.
Can't say if I'm booked to do the policemen's thing of the year, whatever all the policemen, and I jump on the mic like, hey you guys we're all having sex with children.
Do you think like that's gonna be allowed, or like you know, I would get shut down, and be like throwing stuff. But that didn't happen there, did it?
Why?
Because everyone knows it's true.
Everyone knows that like, oh yeah, Weinstein and this and that, you know.
Everyone knows it's true, but nothing happens.
So, it's just been sort of normalized in a way.
So, sometimes the things it looks like, hey, this guy's really sticking it to the man. But on closer inspection, what's the results of this sticking it to the man?
In this case, you know, nothing.
Yeah.
No, it's exactly the same as alternative media.
I think we're all seeing that as well.
How do you pick, I mean, you've got so toxic masculinity, Brexit, the food industry, which is a bit different, the whole woke agenda, what I mentioned before, what's God's view in smashing up ULEZ cameras or gender study, it's one way to get screwed.
All those kind of hot-button topics that are in the middle of this, I guess, this gender war and culture debate that we are seeing.
Hardy, do you have a list of go-to topics?
Because, I guess some comedians will just, hey, whatever the hell, if it makes people laugh, I don't give a damn, because I actually don't have any beliefs or guide in life.
You do, but do you have kind of areas you think, I understand that or how does it work?
I just, I just want to tell people the truth.
If you go out there and tell the truth, you'll, you'll find that you're, you know, against all different kinds of things, but down to like, you know, if you want to go out there and tell people there's only men and women in the world, like, you know, it's a controversial figure, you know, like, yes.
Okay. Sure.
You know what I mean?
Like it's not, it's not any sort of deliberate.
I'm going to go after this.
So, I'm going to go after that, but...
I really would just like to use; when you when you make people laugh they'll actually they'll listen to what you're saying, you know.
That's a that's a good opportunity to, you know, let people know like what's really going on in the world which is where my sort of Christian faith comes into it, and you know, that this is the only thing that I see as being important anymore.
Like everything else in the world seems fake and corrupt and controlled.
But this is telling people about Jesus is what one area where it's not.
And what one area where there is hope and one area where there is, you know, success to be had, if you know what I mean.
Whereas, you know, trying to climb up the career pole of the entertainment industry is, is just not, it's not one thing.
It's not possible for me anymore, And it's, it's not exciting either, you know.
But it must cause you…
There are awards in the industry.
And I saw you got an award, I think, last year for being the most popular comedian in the UK.
It was the Comedy Club.
That, obviously, it is good to get recognition.
You realise, actually, I am hitting the mark in some areas.
That's good.
So, I get those things are important. But, I guess there are not many awards like that, that are actually possible for someone like yourself.
Well, the British Comedian of the Year is the award that I won in November.
And the only reason I even entered that is because it's voted for by the audience.
So, there's only one way I'm going to win a competition if it's voted for by the audience.
So, because that one's voted for by the audience, I'm like, let me, let me go and get this one, you know?
And the finals that these sort of big established comedy clubs where I don't, I don't perform anymore.
So, it's quite fun for me to walk in there and be like, Hey, this is what I'm up to.
And then walk back out of there with a great big check, you know?
So, that was, but that was really God's hand in that.
You know, he, I lost my career, you know, they took everything away from me for trying to do the right thing, essentially.
And, you know, God likes to, likes to test your faith, wants to see like, okay, let's see, I'm going to take this away from you.
And this is going to be taken away from you.
And, you know, you like to send you into the wilderness.
And, and then at some point, and in my case, God was like, okay, at that point, when I won that award, God was like, okay, you can have, you can have this back now, you know, You know, you can have, you know, the recognition that....
It's quite hard when you're doing something like comedy and your friends and your family.
You can tell them, like, oh, I'm cancelled.
No one really believes it.
It's like, oh, you must be terrible. You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, I have my YouTube channel. You got taken away.
Oh, yeah, right, I suppose.
You know what I'm saying?
It was nice for me to have, like, okay, are you actually good at this?
Okay, fine.
Most people just thought you were crazy or whatever.
So, yeah, that was good.
But you know that there's no there's only really one award like that that's voted for by the audience and that's it, so you know it's not gonna i'm gonna go any further than that, if you know what I mean.
I've mentioned the the beginning of the show you have Soldier of God.
Unpack that, it's a it's an interesting phrase people describe themselves themselves, their Christian faith in all different ways or none, depending on how they want to do it.
But you put up there, soldier of God.
Why do you describe yourself as a soldier of God?
I'm in the joy division.
Okay.
I'm in the soldier of God.
I'm in the joy division.
God made me with these abilities to make people laugh and cheer people up.
And that's literally what I'm out there doing, you know, and there's more people need to be.
You know, out there trying to do God's work in this world.
And, you know, I think all the problems we have are from a sort of degradation of, of human character.
I don't think there's any sort of political thing going on.
You know, I don't think it's anything like that. It's just human characters sort of eroding, but becoming more sort of selfish.
We're more concerned about the things that we have and now how many followers we have and, you know what I mean, our social how we look to the outside world.
And there's so many problems that we have in the world that they're all as a result of this sort of falling away from a sound position of, you know, a Christian faith.
The people in this country they used to read the Bible all the time and they used to be concerned with loving your neighbour and you know following the ten commandments and treating other people as you want them to be treated.
And we had this great society where you could walk down the street safely and top of the morning, sir.
Good morning, sir.
Good morning, Mr. Chubb.
No, no, no.
You know, we had all that going on.
Right.
But it was based on people talk about all the fall of Western society.
There's no such thing as Western. You know, it's not like we have Western values.
So, give me, you know, what are you talking about?
Western?
What do you mean is Christian countries that began following Christ and trying to imitate what Jesus were like, started doing really well.
Started having really nice countries.
It's almost like treating other people as you would have them treat you as a basic principle results in a really nice place with everyone, you know, enjoying their life isn't it?
And you know this is what's built this country up and made it great, and now no one believes in it anymore, no one reads the bible.
They watch Netflix and Love Island, right?
And we wonder why everything's going to S.H.I.T, you know what I mean?
We wonder why?
It's like, you still read, we used to read the Bible all the time and try to be like Jesus.
And now we've thrown the name of Jesus Christ in the bin, and you want to wonder why the place is falling apart, and you want to try and fix it by voting for someone with a blue tie or a red tie. like, it's insane.
It's no one with a special coloured tie is going to save you, you know.
It's God is the only person can save this country and this world.
That's what the Bible teaches you, and that's what the truth of it is.
And I've got no interest anymore in, you know, really telling anyone about anything else other than that, because it's the only solution.
And because it's the only solution, you know, I can't really get excited about anything else, you know?
You're 100%.
I was trying to explain to someone today where we are in Europe and the UK in regards to the church and Christian belief compared to the States.
And the States are in a mess, but we are much further gone.
And it's quite difficult to explain the situation we find ourselves right on a precipice of chaos and probably oblivion.
Tell me about your faith story.
Was that was a light bulb moment? Was your background connected to church?
Not at all.
How did you come to Christ?
Not at all.
l was walking down the street and somebody sent me a message.
It's actually, I think it was a Muslim guy sent me a message: salaam Alaikum, or something, and I was like I wonder what that means.
And I googled what it meant, and it meant he was greeting me with the peace of God.
And I asked myself for the first time, I was like I wonder what what the peace of god feel like, and it just hit me washed over my soul my first encounter with the holy spirit.
And I was like, whoa!
It was crazy. I was like; whoa God is real.
And that was when god first sort of revealed himself to me, and then I just started reading the Bible.
I'd just been cancelled at the time, I just sort of lost everything so I came to the bible like thinking; wait a minute
When was this like 2018, 2019, when was this?
Yeah, about then.
I think so, about then.
So, I came to the bible trying to understand why the world hated me, because if you've been cancelled you lost everything, you're like: hey, and I know my own heart.
I know I'm trying to do the right thing and I'm trying to bring people together and I've lost everything.
That doesn't seem correct to me so, I started reading the Bible looking for answers for that.
And Jesus said: if the world hates you, remember it hated me first.
And I was like: hey, wait a second, that's that's true, because most people they don't even investigate Jesus.
They don't think that he's a significant person.
And someone like me who's always looking for the truth, I'm like, let me read every word that Jesus said, and let me see if I can find where he's wrong or where he's lying or what I don't agree with.
I'm like, wait a second. Everything this guy says is true.
Everything this guy says is incredible.
You know, I came to the Bible feeling that the world hated me.
I read one line, the world hates you.
Remember, it hated me first.
I'm like, whoa, I'm just on the right path as Jesus.
And immediately I cheered up. I was like, the world hates me.
This is horrible. I'm like, wait a minute.
The world hated Jesus first.
And you think that you've got some sub story like, oh, I'm just trying to be a good person and this bad thing happened to you.
There's no better example of that than Jesus who just walked around healing sick people and performing miracles and just helping everyone.
And then they nailed him to a cross and tortured him to death for three days.
It's like Jesus didn't deserve any of that.
And he's showing you the way the world really works.
Like if you really go out there and show love and the world will hate you.
And that's the exact time we're living in today, dude.
If you really want to go out there and tell people the truth and make a difference, and take a stand, and do the right thing, and live a righteous life; the world will hate you.
But if you want to go out there and have pride and celebrate pride, the world will love you.
You know, everything is inverted from how it used to be.
We used to think that pride is the sin that God hates the most, the Bible says.
And what a coincidence. We spent a whole month celebrating it.
You know, they didn't pick pride, you know, by accident.
They didn't pick the rainbow as a symbol by accident.
There's a biblical symbol, you know, everything.
The more you read the Bible, the more you'll realize all of this stuff in the world is from the Bible.
You know, like all of the things that they're pushing are the exact opposite of what God says to do.
Like the exact opposite.
It you, know having pride being a great example of that you know.
That god made them male and female, you know, that's under attack.
Like anything god says in the bible our modern culture hates, you know, and it's as simple as that.
No, 100 percent.
And the rainbow is a perfect example of God making a promise and man taking that and twisting it and making it as perverse as possible.
And that shows the state we are in.
Whenever you want to take something which is good and godly and twist it and make it as disgusting and perverse as possible.
I mean, I really feel sympathy for the people that are involved in this movement, because they're being deceived in a very...
They're being encouraged to antagonize God.
The rainbow is the symbol that God sent that said, I will never destroy the world again, no matter how much you disobey me.
So, they've got them out there holding that symbol of, God says you won't destroy the world, and at the same time saying, and I'm disobeying you, God.
They're provoking God, whether they know it or not. But that's the point of that movement, if you ask me.
It's leading people to rebel against God, and not only that, to spike the football, if you like, right in the face of the Almighty, you know.
And I don't think the rainbow symbol, I don't think it's an accident that they picked that one.
You know, most people are being misled in these days, but Jesus did say that's what we'll categorize the final days, which is believe where they are, take care that no man deceives you, you know.
I think we're living in the age of deception, but the more people read the Bible, the more you'll understand that this is all in there.
Everything that's happening now is in there, you know, down to cashless society and, you know, all the stuff the Bible says will happen towards the end is happening.
Especially, what I'm talking about a lot, which is the degradation of human character, the falling away from a standing position of Christianity.
You know, so much of what we're told to expect towards the end of this age is happening out there right now.
And it's one of the reasons why God tells you the future in the Bible thousands of years ago is so that you'll read it and go, oh, wow, this really is God chatting here.
Because, everything he said that would happen 2,000 years ago, I can see happening outside of the window if people want to go and examine the Bible.
But, you know, they got people pretty much convinced that they don't want to do that, so people don't.
But if you did, you'd find out what was going on.
Yeah, you can read as many books, watch as many podcasts, but you can short circuit the path to truth and just pick up a Bible.
Yes.
It's a lot quicker and you'll get there much sooner.
Alistair, what was your background?
Was it against God?
Was it against Christianity or was it just indifference?
Just complete, no idea about that at all, you know.
Interestingly when I did my food show, when I started telling people to eat real food, is the first time when I sort of really noticed: hang on a minute.
Because, I was just I was just telling people to eat like normal.
I noticed that all the food that's just on the earth is so good for you, right?
And it just falls off the trees and grows out of the ground and, you know, just replicates itself through seeds and animals giving birth to other animals. I'm like, and all that's really good for you, right?
And all the food that men touch that we create kills you, like processed food.
And I very quickly sort of figured out, like, oh, it's almost as if the stuff that's here on the earth has been created and is incredible and everything that we tamper with turns to, you know, death.
And you know, it's interestingly, it's I first saw God in an apple, you know, which is like where original sin comes from.
But that's where I first realized: oh people.
And I was trying to tell people the truth about food.
And they were trying to wipe me out for that, you know.
And that was again: I was just telling people like, eat celery, and they're like get rid of this guy, you know, because most people are dumbed down into, you know, drinking sugar and sweetness and just they're being poisoned to death, most people, with the food.
And I was trying to just let people know, hey, there's an easy way to be healthy. You just eat the food that's lying around.
And it was like, right, make sure he's never seen from again.
And that's when you sort of realize how evil the world actually is.
You're like: well there must be an opposite to this, right?
So, that was, yeah, so lots of my life you can look at and go: oh this is this has led, me to God this has led me to God, but I was never...
My family were never, you know, really religious, or whatever I was never brought up on it or anything like that.
It's just, you know, God chose to reveal himself to me. It's like nothing that I did or you know.
Well, that's the I think the frustrating part; that those of us who are Christians feel that and we've seen actually through the Covid tyranny that people just don't ask. People don't think.
People are sheep and all they all the Bob Moran cartoons are so true that people are sheep and they just follow that pathway and you have a conversation and they look at you blankly, but you're right mention Love Island or something and suddenly they're alive.
And you think there's a disconnect that you've actually been dulled into a place of not questioning anything and just believing what you're told and that's difficult.
That gap is a massive gap to bridge.
Yeah, I mean most people, they watch the television right?
They figure out what's going on from the television, you know, that's what they do.
And you know, you figure out the way my life's gone, I quickly figured out, oh, the television is just one giant deception.
When you just have a little peek behind the curtain at the television, it's like, oh, this is awful.
Even like adverts these days on the television, they're so awful, man.
Everything's so zany.
You know, it's always just like, oh, it's got a real sort of satanic vibe to it.
Even like adverts, it's all sort of close zoomed in on the face and quick cuts everywhere.
Like they don't even, new music's the same.
It's so jarring and it's just, ugh, like everything that is of the world just really stinks to me now.
You know, so entertainment especially, I mean they're not even really trying to hide it in entertainment anymore; like and young people are sort of picking up on this.
You can see some interesting TikTok videos where people are sort of mimicking, like you go to a rap concert and it's just a satanic ritual and the people are looking around; it's like, hey wait a minute what did he say?
It's like, you know, the demons in me, is like what?
Young people are starting to figure out like, hang on a minute, this is a bit sinister like what we're being what we're being fed here.
And don't get me started on children's entertainment and how you know the occult has repackaged itself.
Like you pick up any children's movie and stuff, I bet you it's about magic and spells and and unicorns and you know, and people don't realize like how much you know, the the occult has repackaged itself to children and it's really disgusting when you really sort of look into that.
I mean, the Disney and how that all works.
You know, there's endless rabbit holes that people can go down that I've been down, and they're very eye-opening when you realize the sweet stuff that you thought was so innocent, and you realize how much of it is of the enemy.
And you can find God through this, which sounds crazy, but the Antichrist points the way to Christ because he's the opposite.
So, whenever you see him work and you're like, oh, okay, well, I go to the opposite of that. I'll find Jesus, which is pretty much what happened to me.
Tell me, just finishing off on the on the comedy side, for you, are there like red lines, because you think where does a comedian go; every comedian is different, because we are who we are and we reflect what we what we see around us, but for you are there red lines, are there areas you don't go, how does it work?
I mean I try not to swear very much anymore.
So, you're not Not like I'll be then?
No, no, no, no, no.
And I try, I get convicted of that sort of stuff.
I still do swell.
I try not to, you know what I mean?
I try not to, just because, you know, I'm very big on this sort of, you know, I'm going to be called to account for everything that I've done or not done.
So, you know, I have a responsibility to try and do things the right way.
And I, you know, that's my red lines.
Basically, I try to not talk about anything that I don't think Jesus would talk about or want me to talk about.
And that is very much like swearing loads or another one that's possibly I'm out being sort of unforgiving of people.
It's very sort of easy these days.
But these people have done this and they've done that.
And they're the evilest people in the world.
We need to get them all and blah, blah, blah.
This is not a Christian doctrine, is it?
It's supposed to be the opposite of that.
So, that's somewhere else where I really have to rein myself in.
Like a lot of the times, these people we talked about earlier, these sort of fake content creators that are the opposition, but they're not really the opposition.
You know, I find it quite easy to show the content that they're putting out and sort of ridiculing it or sort of, you know, exposing like, well, hang on a minute. Is this really the opposition?
And just trying to do that in a sort of Christian way, you know,
Without being mean, without being, you know, insulting, but still trying to make it amusing.
Things so they're it's pretty boring red lines.
I'm sure it's not, you know, really what that sort of question was implying but that's that's pretty much where they are, yeah.
Can I just ask you about, actually, how you actually fund yourself.
I mean how do viewers listeners, they're always looking for I guess no only subscribing or supporting on the social media side, but actually just how they financially support.
How does that work for you and how do the public kind of support what you do to make sure you keep going?
Well, that's it, I just put my content out there for free.
I put my live streams out there for free, and I put little links where people can support me on subscribe star or locals and stuff like that and there's a really sort of core group of people that do that.
And they give me the ability, you know, to keep going essentially, you know, I do, I do a lot more live comedy now and, you know, that, that helps. But that's pretty much it.
I got no one, you know, supporting me apart from.
You have no sugar daddy.
No.
So, if people don't want me to keep going, you know, people don't want me to keep going.
And it's hard, because most people are broke these days.
You know, people are being, people are being attacked in, in a lot of ways economically these days, you know.
It's very difficult for people to have excess money to throw at someone like me, you know, but I'm in a sort of really good position where I can literally say whatever I want, because the people that support me; I don't have a I don't have any sponsors or anything like that. So, I can literally just, be a voice out there that's just coming at it from a place that, you know, I will say, you know, exactly what I think. And that's, that's pretty rare these days, you know? So, I mean, yeah, that's, that's pretty much it. I'm just supported by, by the regular people.
Do you do many live shows?
Cause I know you've done some comedy on leash, but I, I don't fall over closely necessarily, but do you do live shows that
people can come along to or other clubs?
I do.
There's clubs, but the the television controls most of the comedy circuit in the UK right, because you can't get past a certain level before it's like: well, we need someone for with T.V credits for this, you know what I mean.
Must have been on the TV, you know, otherwise you're just in this sort of layer below, you know, it doesn't matter how funny you are.
If you haven't been on the TV, or you've not been on TV, so you know, what I'm saying, so that's the the way that the TV companies sort of control even, even who gets to do sort of live comedy, but there is, there's a lot of work out there for someone like me who can do the job well, and you know, I can, scratch a living, you know, from the sort of the gigs in the sort of mid tier.
But you know what you're saying before, like, isn't it difficult to make people laugh?
Like, I shouldn't be at the mid tier anymore, but they've got me in the mid tier.
So, it's like, you know, it's so, I don't want to say it's easy for me, but it is it's.
Like they got me instead of on the mid-tier and it's like: okay, I'll sit here, I'll sit here on the mid-tier.
You know, I'll go on before the last guy who's going to be so incredible, okay.
You know what I mean?
So, it's fine, but it takes you know it takes all the pressure off to be honest, it takes all the pressure off ,you know.
But, it's fine, you know, I'm just, I'm not happy to be happy to be doing the job, bear in mind I'm not doing this for fame or money anymore, I'm doing this for the opportunity to tell people about Jesus so, you know, it's fine just to be able to do it it's fun, you know.
Well, you're doing that, and as your teacher says, God wins in the end, so that's the end of the story. Alistair, really appreciate you coming on.
I've loved your skits, love following you on Twitter, so thanks so much for coming on and sharing your story, not only of comedy, but of faith with our audience.
Thank you.
Hey, any time.
Thanks for having me on.
Really appreciate it.

PeterSweden - A Journey Through Journalism, Politics and Faith in a Changing Sweden

Show Notes and Transcript
PeterSweden, an independent journalist and political commentator joins Hearts of Oak to share his journey into journalism, covering topics like politics, climate change, and the rise of the Swedish Democrats party. He discusses challenges Sweden faces, such as gang violence and high crime rates, highlighting the media's portrayal of these issues and the upcoming European parliamentary elections. Peter delves into socialism's impact on Sweden's societal fabric, emphasizing faith's importance in addressing challenges and farmers' role in challenging climate change policies. He reflects on the changing landscape of Sweden, advocating for individuals to boldly embrace their Christian values in shaping society's dynamics.
Peter Imanuelsen, aka PeterSweden is a journalist and political commentator from Sweden. He specializes in reporting on news that the mainstream media often doesn't talk about.Peter is a traditional conservative that believes in liberty, democracy and human rights. He always seeks do to honest, unbiased news reporting. Peter is a firm believer in free speech, no matter what your opinions are.His work is 100% independent which means that he is not following any corporate agendas unlike the mainstream media. You will only get the truth. That's why Peter's motto is: REAL NEWS - INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM.
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Interview recorded   23.5.24
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*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak. It's wonderful to have you back with us. And I'm delighted to have a guest that I have been intrigued following on Twitter for a number of years. And that is PeterSweden. Peter, thank you so much for joining us today.
(PeterSweden)
Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here.
Great to have you. And obviously, people can find you. All the details are on the screen and underneath in the description @PeterSweden7. petersweden.com and obviously your Substack petersweden.substack.com make sure and sign up to that and get Peter's regular input on what is happening in Sweden and I've had a number of individuals from Sweden I've had Ingrid Carlqvist I've had Kent Ekeroth but I'm really looking forward because you cover so much and just your pinned tweet I was looking at no 15-minute cities, reject cashless agenda, I embrace masculinity, anti-socialist, meat-eater, anti-feminist, unvaccinated, I support the farmers, I will expose the WEF agenda. And I think our viewers and listeners will sign up to all of those. So delighted to have you with us, Peter. Maybe we can start, before we get into the politics in Sweden, some of the issues that you're facing over there. Maybe I can just ask you to just take a moment and introduce yourself to our viewers and listeners before we get into the issues.
Yeah so as you said I go by Peter Sweden, my real name is actually Peter Imanuelsen but a lot of people in the English-speaking world have some trouble pronouncing and remembering that name so I go by Peter Sweden. Yeah I'm an independent journalist political commentator, conservative influencer. I talk about, well I began in really some years years ago now back in 2016, 2017, I began seeing a lot of things happening in Sweden that wasn't being reported on the mainstream media, there was shootings, there was bombings going on, cars being set on fire so I just just a regular guy who started posting about it on social media and people wanted to hear the truth and it just grew from there and now I'm talking about all kinds of things ranging from the things happening in Sweden to the climate agenda to the World Economic Forum to the farmers all of those things.
Yeah there's a lot happening and it's always good to hear from a specific European country of what is happening and how they're being impacted by these issues but maybe we can start politically we in the UK have just had a general election called, which doesn't mean much. I know the European parliamentary elections are coming up.
In Sweden, you've had the rise of the Swedish Democrats, which has been really interesting, looking at that from the UK as a conservative. Maybe do you want to let us know what impact they are having on Sweden in the government?
Yeah, so there's been a lot of positive developments after, because the thing is, they are not actually in government. They are propping up the government. There's a centre-right. Well, in reality, they're pretty far to the left, in my opinion. The government itself, it's the centre-right. They call it the centre-right moderate party, but in reality, they're pretty socialist-influenced still. But however, they're being propped up by the Social Democrats, who are a little bit more conservative. So they've been coming with some pretty good things lately. For example, this year they scrapped climate taxes on fuels, which caused the fuel prices to collapse by some 30% almost.
They have been scrapping the Agenda 2030 goals from government directives. And there's more examples as well of things that they've been... For example, they have scrapped their renewable energy plants and are instead going to be focusing on... They actually just announced recently they are investing millions into the fourth generation nuclear power plants, which is a very good thing.
So, yeah, a lot of good news coming out of Sweden. I mean, still a lot of bad things happening in Sweden, but at least there is some positive news going on here. They also go against the cashless agenda. They're looking at ways to strengthen physical cash. So we're seeing some positive developments, but still far from perfect.
Well, tell us, because I think it upset the established parties, seeing the Swedish Democrats rise and do so well. I mean, what is the popularity? Because obviously, Jimmie Åkesson leading, but he has chosen not to take the position of prime minister. He obviously is politically astute and realises that this is a long game and the Swedish Democrats are just rising, rising. But what is their kind of popularity in Sweden? Not only Jimmie, the leader, but the other figures in the Swedish Democrats?
Well, actually, among young people, the Swedish Democrats are very popular, especially among young men. I believe they are either the largest party among young men in Sweden. However, among young women, they are not. Among young women, you have the Green Party and the far left former Communist Party and the Socialist Party. They are the three largest parties among young women in Sweden.
So we're seeing kind of quite a big divide in Sweden at the moment with young men voting right wing and the young women voting very left. So it kind of depends on the person, really, who they're asking if they have a positive view or a negative view. And it's kind of interesting because Sweden has had a socialist in power for many, many decades when they were in power from 2014 up until, oh, when was it? 2022, I think.
During that time, Sweden saw a massive increase in the number of reported rapes. Sweden is one of the countries in the world with the most reported rapes. It's insane and that has been going on under the socialists and yet the young women are voting for the socialists and the former communists. It's hard to make sense of why that would be but I can get into that a little bit later what the or i can get into it now if you want to how the Swedish system kind of works.
Well yeah I do want to know but I know I want to get into to that because it's a issue of huge concern and we see Malmo being mentioned a lot in terms of in terms of gang violence in terms of rape and it's kind of sadly what Sweden is known for in certain areas and that's a huge shame but I mean the European parliamentary elections coming up beginning of June.
How will the Swedish Democrats perform in that? Talk us through that, because obviously in the UK, we've walked away from the EU. You're still in that. And I know the Swedish Democrats are your sceptic party. But how do you think actually the European parliamentary elections will work out for the Swedish Democrats?
I haven't been following the polls that closely, but it looks like they are polling on either first or second place. I believe they're polling in second place from what I lost. So I cannot quote on that, but they look set to be doing pretty good. I mean, compared to some some 10 years ago. So they're definitely been gaining more and more traction as time has gone on. I did see a poll on the general election, I believe, like the general consensus. And they were in second place with about 20% of the votes in the Swedish Democrats at the moment. So, I mean, they are kind of staying steady at around the 20% mark. The thing is, though, when you look at all the other parties combined, when you look at the Socialist Democrats, look at the far-left former Communist Party and the Green Party combined, they do get somewhere around 50% to kind of like split 50-50 in Sweden with the socialists. And then you have the rest 50% that are getting split between the center, center-right and the Swedish Democrats that are more conservative. So you still have a large portion in Sweden voting for socialists, which really boggles the mind. But when you get into it a little bit closer, you can start to understand why, for example, state media in Sweden are just...
So it wasn't officially state media that did this hit piece, but there was a hit piece against the Swedish Democrats in Sweden recently. It's been a big talking point the last few weeks. So the Swedish Democrats, they were exposed for having a troll factory, they said. So basically what they had, so this TV channel in Sweden called TV4, they employed a journalist to try and infiltrate the Swedish Democrats, seeking employment at the Swedish Democrats and so on and well they didn't get in and they had this so called big revelation that the Swedish Democrats were actually having different accounts on TikTok and YouTube posting like meme content and funny videos, so this was this big so called scandal all the state owned media in Sweden and they've been talking about it how the horrible Swedish Democrats have been doing this troll factory, as I call it. But the interesting thing is, so you have the SVT, which is the public state media in Sweden. By the way, 80% of people, journalists working there vote for the Green Party.
So there you go. But the people who did the so-called expose at TV4, they are officially a private TV channel, but they are owned in quite a large part by a company called Telia in Sweden, which in turn is owned in large part by the state.
So that's the kind of thing with the socialists in Sweden. A lot of the things, you say it's a private market, yes, but the state owns a lot of the companies in the private markets. You have this Telia, which is actually a mobile company, a mobile operator, but they also own tv channels and those kind of things, so you have a lot of private companies but in reality when you look at who owns these companies you see that the state actually owns a large share in many of these companies, so it's kind of like a hidden socialism in a way, they say it's private but in reality it's a lot more state-owned than people know.
Well the media I assume that the Swedish democrats are attacked in the media, I assume they don't get a fair ride. How does that work? And how does, I mean, what you're doing, you're a voice of reason, alternative media using alternative platforms. So tell us about the kind of established media, but also what alternative voices are there bringing truth to the people?
Not a lot. There are a few sites, like smaller sites in Sweden that publish alternative viewpoints. There's one called Samnytt, for example, which I know is Kent Ekeroth, that has been a guest of yours earlier.
He's working closely at that site, Samnytt. So there are a few there's also a channel called ricks on YouTube which is in reality and comes from the Swedish democrats so they're providing a lot of alternative viewpoints and so you have that but I mean anything mainstream, no there's, no you don't really have much.
Peter, at the beginning, you mentioned some of the issues that are happening there and the gang crime. Obviously, there are the no-go areas. We hear about the rape gangs.
Tell us about those issues and how the media report on it. Is this one of the reasons why Swedish Democrats have done so well, a failure to address these issues? I mean, give us an overview of how those issues are being addressed.
Yeah, I definitely think that has contributed to a large part in the rise of the Swedish Democrats because they are the only ones that are talking about it. The last ten years or so, the mainstream media, politicians largely try to ignore it. The problem has got so large that they aren't able to ignore it any longer so you are starting to see media reports on it, we are starting to see some politicians talk about it, but again the Swedish democrats have been talking about it for a long time. I can give an example, an incident that happened quite recently the leader of the liberal party, also integration minister in Sweden, he went on the EU election campaign trail, he went to a place that I would consider a no-go zone in Gothenburg, a place called biskopsgården.
He had to cancel it because the security services in Sweden said that they couldn't guarantee his safety while he was out campaigning, so we are now at the point in Sweden politicians cannot go on the campaign trail in certain areas because security services says that it isn't safe basically, they cannot guarantee his safety, that's how bad the situation is and, When you look into it, you see a lot of criminal gangs forming in these no-go zones, doing all kinds of illegal activities, and so bad that the police are losing control in some areas, people don't feel safe at night, walking outside.
I mean, just look at the statistics. I mean, last year we had 149 bombings in Sweden. That is the most for any country in the world that is not at war, so Sweden is topping the bombing statistics, it's topping the rape statistics, it's even topping the shooting statistics in Europe, for the number of young men that are getting killed in shootings in Sweden it's the highest number in all of Europe, so it's really bad, it's really bad and yeah it's I don't know what to say.
Because people think the Scandinavian way of life is very peaceful and relaxed, high quality of living, high incomes. And then you hear this and we've seen, I guess, the clashes in maybe Brussels and Paris. We haven't seen it in London, kind of a failure of integration.
Are things going from bad to worse? is there any desire to address what is happening because Swedes feel unsafe? That's what I'm hearing and no one wants to address it.
Yeah like I said some politicians have started talking about it now, of the student democrats have been pushing for it for many many years, there was an announcement made last year by the government and which seemed promising. I haven't seen much action yet, but they said that they would even deploy the military to assist police in dealing with the no-go zone gangs. So I haven't seen any action of that yet, but they at least went out and said it last year, so we will see where that leads.
I mean, as things get worse and worse, I think hopefully more and more people at least will kind of see what's going on, even though the mainstream media is doing their best to try and hide it.
I think people will start seeing it because it keeps happening so often. I mean, if you live in a city like Malmö and you hear a bombing every other day or at least once a week happening, I mean, people are going to start noticing that there is a problem in Sweden. I mean, it's difficult to hide. In fact, during Eurovision music contest, I don't think it was reported much in the media, but during Eurovision contest, police found a live bomb in Malmö. So they disarmed it thankfully.
What is the response of the public? I mean, and is it a, I know in the UK, we have a massive identity crisis. We don't know what it means to be English or British. The Scots know what it means to be Scottish or Welsh or Irish, but the English seem to have this identity crisis. And into that void, you've got basically chaos. What is it in Sweden? Is part of the problem a lack of understanding what it means to be Swedish? Because Sweden's got a very long history.
Sweden does have a very long history, yes. It used to be a superpower back in the day. I mean, you mentioned the Scandinavian way of life earlier, and... Yeah, it used to be very peaceful. It used to be very nice. I mean, it still is in the neighboring Scandinavian countries like Norway and in large part Denmark. I mean, it's such a big difference if you go from Sweden to Norway. Things have started going a little bit downhill in Norway when it comes to the gun crimes recently, but it's not nearly as bad as Sweden.
When it comes to Swedish history and so on, I mean, Swedes aren't very patriotic, I would say. In comparison to Norwegians who are extremely patriotic, it will be hard to find any country in the world that is more patriotic than the Norwegians, there was recently the 17th of may constitution day and everyone dresses up in the natural traditional natural dress, everyone is out marching with the Norwegian flag, like literally the whole city, entire, like literally every single person in Norway is out marching thousands, tens of thousands, like millions of people are out marching with the flags on the 17th of May. And that's normal in Norway, like that's a normal thing, everyone does it, you're expected to do it. It's not far right, it's not left-wing or anything, it's just normal in Norway. So you have that in Norway, but you don't have the same kind of patriotism in Sweden. Sweden is kind of going very global, I would say.
Instead of having that old Swedish history, Sweden is kind of trying to become more of a global country. Similar to what you perhaps can see in... I went to the Netherlands, and that seemed like a very globalist country. You saw the skyscrapers everywhere. It was horrible.
And you kind of see the same thing in Sweden as well. So, yeah. Yeah, I think the socialists have done a very good job in changing Sweden over the decades. It kind of all began maybe, really began maybe back in the 70s in Sweden. The socialists have been working for decades through the schools and through the media to change the way people in Sweden think. In Sweden, we have something called school duty. Which means that all children have to go to school. You're not allowed to homeschool. You have to go to school. And more or less it's a state school. Like there are a few free schools. But more or less people. Most people put their kids in the state schools. So they get brainwashed there. And then you have the media. Like I said earlier. The state media. The media also owning so-called private media as well. In large parts. So people get continuing the brainwashing in the media. So they have over the decades shaped the Swedish mind to be very conforming, following everything that they're being told.
Yeah, that's kind of what has happened over the decades in Sweden, I would say.
I've always seen Sweden and probably Norway, I mean, probably all Scandinavia, as a high tax, high spend that the state basically looks after you. They take all your money and they will look after you. And is that quasi-socialism even going further than that? I mean is that is that a fair assessment of Sweden over the last few decades?
Kind of, it's a high tax, but do you get a lot out of it?
I've seen a lot of stories about elderly people at elderly care homes they're getting served slop for dinner and so they pay all these high taxes their whole life and they get treated not very good in the care homes. Yeah you get a lot of taxes, Sweden has a very very high tax, Norway doesn't have nearly as high tax actually as we've done, but yeah high tax but in my opinion you'll get a lot out of it like the roads if you go to Sweden, the roads in Sweden are not nearly as good as as other countries in Europe that have lower taxes, I mean you would think with all of the high taxes you will get fantastic roads, you will get fantastic elderly care but you don't really get that as much as you would have hoped for for the spend, for the taxes that you have to pay
Wow I want to pick up on one of the other issues that you've been very vocal on and you mentioned the Netherlands and of course watching the the farmers revolting against the extreme controls and being told that farming, producing food for human beings is now a negative thing and how does it fit in in Sweden is farming a part of the Swedish economy have you seen farmers rise up or tell us what that situation is in Sweden.
Yeah there was actually some farmers protests happening in Sweden as well. Did you not see that on the news, but there were some farmers that were protesting in fact it's been all over Europe there's been farmers protests in Norway, there's been in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy.
England as well and many other countries, there's so many I forget now there's so many of them all over Europe basically, but yes they they spread to Sweden as well. I did not get a chance to go to any of those protests in Sweden, I've been talking to farmers in Norway. I've been talking to farmers in Germany, we talked to farmers in the Netherlands and they're protesting for different reasons in different countries. In Norway, they're protesting for better wages. In the Netherlands and in Germany, they're protesting against the climate agenda that are always climate taxes that are going to decimate their business if they go through. Yeah, so the farmers protests and all of these things that are happening as the farmers, I like to call it climate communism. And the reason for that is, you know, Stalin, he called the farmers the enemies of the people. He seized the farmers' lands. Millions of people starved. Now we're seeing farmers getting called enemies of the climate. And in the Netherlands, they actually talked about essentially seizing thousands of farms from the farmers in the name of climate change. Now, thankfully, it seems like that is not happening because Geert Wilders just managed to lead a new government and they are expressing support for the farmers. So you kind of see the result there. They threatened to take the farmers' lands. The farmers were not happy. They protested and the people voted for a new government and the new government listened to the farmers. So it looks like the farmers have some wins there in the Netherlands, for sure.
But back to the climate communism thing, it's all about control. That's what happened in the Soviet Union. Stalin wanted control of the economy.
He wanted a state to be this all-controlling, authoritative state. And we're seeing the same thing happening now with climate change. they're using it as an excuse to be able to introduce authoritarian measures, like for example that with the farmers, carbon tax, I predict that in the future we will see, I mean in Sweden we already had digital id for a long time it will not surprise me if we soon see digital id pad with some kind of carbon fracking eventually ending up in some kind of social credit score system that would not surprise me at all because again it all got back to the control. They want to transfer their wealth and freedom from the people over to themselves. So it's a lot of parallels with communism that we are seeing.
What is the pushback? Because the government is a center-right government, with the Swedish Democrats kind of with them or propping them up, you would expect that they want to give people control, want to have a small state and give people individual responsibility. Are you seeing pushback on some of these issues, especially on the climate nonsense? Are you seeing the Swedish government pushing back on this and saying, actually, we don't want this?
Yes and no. There are... Yes, they are doing things like scrapping the renewable energy plans, focusing on nuclear power, cutting the climate taxes on fuels, but they still have the same talking points, if you will. They still talk about, oh, we need to save the climate, and so on. So they're still talking about it, but their actions are going a little bit the other way, like, yeah going in in a positive direction and but still doing it like under the guise of oh we need nuclear powers because it's going to be good for the climate, that kind of thing, so the narrative is the same but we're seeing some positive development.
I want to finish off talking about faith and I'm always intrigued with guests coming on who are outspoken about their Christian faith, in the UK, we're told you must keep that private. Don't be public about your faith. But looking at some of the census figures in Sweden, 52% say they are part of the Church of Sweden. Of course, that's been falling year by year. How does Christianity fit into Swedish society? And then probably separately, how does your personal faith fit as a journalist who is high profile.
So yeah, that general, how does Christianity fit into Swedish society?
It doesn't fit in a lot, unfortunately.
You mentioned a figure of 50% in the Church of Sweden. Well, it's actually a lot worse than that, because I saw some statistics showing that only 20% of Swedish people believe in God. So you have some 80% that are atheists. And I think this is a very big part as well of the problem in Sweden. And again, it kind of goes back to socialism part, because Sweden used to be a very Christian country. Back in the 70s, on the radio, like the top songs on the radio would be Christian songs. It used to be a very Christian country. But decades of socialism, you know, as you might know, under communism and socialism, they are atheists. Atheism is the religion of communism. You're supposed to worship the state instead of God under communism. I mean, just look at North Korea. They have these massive statues of their leaders that are bowing before. I mean, and that's kind of what we're seeing as well in Sweden with the socialism, over the decades have tried to get rid of God, get rid of Christianity in Sweden.
That has been a big part, I think, of the problems that we're seeing in Sweden, because if you let the state become God, then, I mean, all morality goes out the window.
You need God to have morality. And yeah, we're not seeing a lot of that.
You're vocal about your faith on Twitter or on X or whatever anyone wants to call it. And what does that mean? What is your personal faith? You talk about your wife and her faith, and a lot of, I think, Christian figures hide their faith online, and they do their whatever in the public sphere, but their faith they keep private. But you're eager and willing to talk about your faith, and then that connects with what you do. So tell us a little bit about that, and I guess why you do that.
Yeah. Oh where should I start, well I think a lot of people who see themselves as Christians today they kind of try to hide it, ashamed of it, especially in Sweden, you know, it's very it's controversial in a way.
I feel like it's my duty to speak the truth. It's my duty to tell people what is going on. And I think coming from my faith plays a big part in that, in being able to not be afraid and tell the truth as I see it. And 'not be afraid' comes a large part from my faith. I mean, Jesus is awesome, he has helped me in my life many many times and helped, I mean there's so many things that happen in my life that can only be described as coming from Jesus and yeah it's helped me a lot in my life and the work that I do being able to stand up and, not be afraid because ultimately, what it comes down to is good and evil, you have the good side and you have the evil side and, Jesus is on the good side and you don't want to be on the evil side so, yeah I think if more people would have come and...
You see a lot of the evil things happening in the world, all this Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, all of this stuff happening. I think a lot of the problems in the world would have been solved if people actually came to know God. All of the hatred, all of the fighting, all of those kinds of things, all of the division would disappear if people found God. Because I'm a firm believer in that.
I agree. When Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, that those people want to know the way, people want to know what truth is, which is under assault, and people want to know what life is all about. So all those are answered in Jesus.
Just to finish off, how does the church connect with society? Because we've seen a massive disconnect in the UK with the church, afraid, either collapsing under the woke agenda or just afraid to speak truth. And, you know, they will talk about it within a church service, but you don't want to actually go outside your four walls of a church and speak truth. And that's kind of the story I've seen across Europe. I'm guessing that it's similar in Sweden with churches afraid to engage on all these issues.
Yeah I think that is one of the big problems that we have at the moment, kind of I've been thinking a lot about that, I think one of the reasons, Christians we are the light of the world We're kind of a light in darkness. We're the salt of the earth. Well, it's supposed to be. But when Christians have lost their salt, they have lost all the light that's gone away, the darkness has come in and taken over.
And I think that is, in large part, kind of what has happened in Sweden as well. As the people in Sweden became more and more atheist, The darkness came in and managed to get more and more hold of Sweden and things have developed more and more in a bad way.
I know in Sweden there was some periods in Sweden where the church was kind of quite outspoken, and there was a lot of good Christians out there that were really not afraid to speak out, and that was in the 90s in fact. And you kind of saw a little bit of positive development, it kind of translated into the culture, into the politics.
Some people say that politics is downstream from culture. Well, I think that culture is downstream from Christianity or from religion and then culture and then politics is again downstream from culture. So you have God at the top downstream to culture downstream to politics. So if there is no God, you take away God the culture becomes really bad then the politics becomes really bad. But you have God at the top influencing the culture influencing the politics. And that is a big problem, I think, we have seen with Christianity as of late. There is a lot of lukewarm Christians, unfortunately, going around, lukewarm churches, even false prophets. I have, in fact, noticed in the work that I do, I have met a lot of resistance from people that are religious, that call themselves Christians, unfortunately. Which is very sad but yeah I think that is a big problem with the lukewarm Christians that we have seen today people need to get back to Jesus, need to be unashamed of being Christian and saying it loudly to the world without any shame whatsoever.
Being unashamed with Jesus and getting back to that is a perfect end to chatting with you, Peter. Really appreciate that. Obviously, to the viewers and listeners, make sure and follow Peter @PeterSweden7 on Twitter and sign up to his Substack, petersweden.substack.com for all those updates. Peter, I really appreciate your time and expanding on some of the issues that you're facing in Sweden. So thanks for joining us today.
Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure.

The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Lewis Brackpool is back with us for our weekend look through some of the news stories, articles and social media posts we just couldn't ignore!Expect straight talking and free speech in abundance as we discuss...- UK PM Rishi Sunak calls surprise July election as his party seeks to defy dire polls- World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab to step back from executive role- “Pro-Paedophile” activist group celebrates as Germany decriminalizes child porn possession- Vaccine Fallout: It's not been a good month for our "impartial" TV doctors...- China holds military drills around Taiwan as 'strong punishment'- Assassination attempt on Trump: The Democrats declared war on and weaponized the full power of the justice system- Brighton council elects first Muslim mayor- UK Geoengineering: FOI request leads to multiple projects, massive funding and global ties
Lewis Brackpool is an independent journalist, reporter, broadcaster, commentator, and writer in politics, culture, news and current affairs.Lewis is also the host of the Podcast - The State Of It
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Recorded  24.5.24
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Links to topics...UK July election https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/22/uk/uk-early-elections-sunak-conservatives-intl/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recircKlaus Schwab https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/21/world-economic-forum-davos-founder-klaus-schwab-to-step-back-from-executive-role.htmlGermany https://reduxx.info/pro-pedophile-activist-group-celebrates-as-germany-decriminalizes-child-porn-possession TV doctorshttps://x.com/StarkNakedBrief/status/1792636547461726392China https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvv29gpqn1oTrumphttps://gettr.com/post/p35r256bf5cBrighton Muslim mayorhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72p807kr9moUK Geoengineering https://bit.ly/3V8Wl5Xhttps://x.com/efenigson/status/1792201565236863015https://x.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1792575495415935020

Cambel McLaughlin - Jam for Freedom: Standing for Mental Health, Peace and Choice

Show Notes and Transcript
Founder, Cambel McLaughlin joins Hearts of Oak to discuss the upcoming, and second Jam for Freedom Festival and he shares his journey as a musician and English teacher. We examine the roots of the movement that was created in response to COVID tyranny and lockdowns and despite challenges and arrests, Cambel remains dedicated to spreading positivity through music and has received high praise and help from the legends Eric Clapton and Van Morrison.We explore the festival's organisation and artists, featuring the likes of our good friends Right Said Fred and the awesome Five Times August and the many workshops and talks highlighting community spirit and underlining music's role in promoting freedom and unity.
In the midst of lockdowns in June 2020, Cambel McLaughlin took his portable drum kit and speaker out to local parks to bring cheer and smiles to Londoners. This then developed into weekly outdoor free gigs named 'The Outside Jam' until the winter cold stopped them. In December of that year further COVID tyranny and draconian measures increased against musicians and the general population with another lockdown. Cambel then changed the name of his project to 'Jam for Freedom', his aim being to bring the world’s musicians together in a day of solidarity, called the ‘Jam for Freedom Day’. It was the first of many.After several months of tireless touring around the UK and Ireland with pro-freedom musicians, the project received international recognition from rock and roll great Eric Clapton. Van Morrison’s Rhythm and Blues Foundation also supported their cause, giving funds to upgrade their modest busking rig, but what propelled the project to international awareness was Eric Clapton featuring JFF in his music video for ‘This Has Gotta Stop’. Cambel instantly received emails from across the world from people wanting to join in, going from having two chapters in Ireland and the UK, to having 15 and growing.
Jam for Freedom Festival 2024August 8th- 11th | St Albans, Hertfordshire
See Right Said Fred, Joseph Arthur, Five Times August, Sons of Cream and enjoy 4 days and nights of 150+ liberating performances, workshops, panels, comedy and pantomime plus all-day children's entertainment and activities!
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Interview recorded  22.5.24
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak.
I am delighted to have a brand new guest with us today of a musical flavour, which we'll get into that, and that's Cambel McLaughlin.
Cambel, thanks so much for your time today.
Thank you so much for having me, Peter.
Great to have you on, and I've seen, obviously, the second Jam for Freedom Festival is coming up, and obviously people can find it there, jamforfreedom.com, and @JamForFreedom is the Twitter or X handle and that is from the 8th to the 11th of August in St Albans.
We'll get into all of that, but I just wanted to make sure the viewers and listeners were aware that all the links are in the description.
But if you are around and want to have a great time at three, four days with a great lineup, musical lineup, then go check out the website, have a look and be part of, It looks like an amazing three, four days.
And it was Fred Fairbrass actually messaged me and said, hey, you need to have Cambel on.
I said, oh, yes, Cambel.
I've seen the event last year, Jam for Freedom.
So, it's great to have you on, Cambel.
But before we get into that, before we get into your arrest in 2021, which is a mark that quite a number of people now carry of standing up against the authoritarian regime.
Before that do you want to just give us a little bit of your background introduce yourself before we get on to Jam for Freedom.
Yeah, thank you I'm 29 years old I was 25 years old when I started, what then became the Jam for Freedom in 2020.
I traveled for a few years playing as a musician working as an English teacher in Australia Japan and on a cruise ship; lived in London.
You know, I've kind of been around, really proud of my country, really proud of, you know, what this country means and the freedoms we have and our heritage and just traveling abroad really cemented that as a young man, and so coming back and moving to London in 2018, I think I was about maybe 23, 24, at that time.
You know, as I said really, really, proud to be from here and just was like right I'm going to work really hard.
I'm going to start focusing on music as well on the side and so I started busking in London and I was doing really well.
I was, you know, making a really good bit of change and, you know, it's really rewarding, you know, when you're jumping on the streets busking; it's kind of like the harder you work the better you work, the more money you make, and the crowds were were getting big in Leicester Square in Trafalgar Square which is where I was performing around Christmas time and other times.
So, it's really fun, and I saved all my money, and then I put all my savings savings into starting like a weddings band.
We filmed everything, you know.
I auditioned everybody, we had a really good lineup, you know, loads of different singers and sax players and, you know, it was like a nine-piece band or something like that.
And then it was march 2020 and it was just, you know, I was just about to launch it all and then all of a sudden there's this this flu apparently and everything must stop and so that that kind of confused me because I thought this is just a flu right.
It's just going to be a couple months, okay, I'll just, you know, work from home or whatever for a bit.
Can I throw in, exactly where...exactly t he same issue, we started 20th of February 2020, exactly the same.
All these great plans that get burned and you have to start over, so I understand exactly your feeling at that time
Yeah, and I just still kept that hunger, you know, I was still like I'm not gonna let this stop me, and so, I started this project called the Outside Jam around June time and it was just basically me going around with all my busking gear in a park in in East London where I lived, and just bringing a party and people would come from from the area and just just party in the park and just, you know, families;it's family friendly.
We were just trying to just raise people's spirits we weren't really...
I just believed it was just going to be a few months of, you know, people just getting over this little flu and then you know obviously the governments were planning to do a lot more than on that.
But then it evolved and we kept doing that every week, and I got musicians from all over London would come in and perform and jam and, you know, people would share the microphones and no one was really getting sick, which was funny.
And then as the lockdowns intensified in December 2020, then I changed the name of it to Outside Jam to Jam for Freedom.
And then on the day of the so-called lockdowns on December 20th, which was when the whole of the UK was locked down.
I was like, no, we're going to, we're going to do jam for freedom.
And then I did the first one in a park, same concept, you know, busking musicians coming out, although less musicians wanted to join in at that point, it was just a handful, it was really just one other drummer.
So, then I had to learn how to kind of sing a bit.
So, it was just me.
I was, you know, I was normally the drummer.
I was forced into all these different roles that I had never done before.
And then I thought, you know what, let's, let's take this a step further.
Let's travel across our beautiful country and go wherever we want on the streets in the parks and let's Jam for Freedom there and let's get musicians from all over and let's try and make it international, let's try and make all the countries of the world go out on the streets and Jam for Freedom; let's do it all together on the same day, the same week, let's make a movement.
And I just kept pushing for that idea and eventually we did go on a UK tour.
We fundraised a little bit of money to get a motor home that a few of us could could sleep in and shower in, because at that point there was no...
You couldn't even go to a hotel, right, to even, you know, you couldn't book in hotels anywhere.
So, we did that and from December, then it's the tour kicked off in January, and then it's just been going on for like three years or three and a half years I suppose and then we have got international chapters now and people are Jamming for Freedom on in different countries and 15 international chapters.
And it's just kind of developed into this festival where we really want to celebrate musicians that are free-thinking individuals and creatives and positive change makers and thinkers and workshop hosts and comedians.
And that's what we have at our festival this year so it's a massive lineup.
Sounds a world away from busking. Do you ever miss the simplicity of just going out busking and just doing that yourself?
Yeah, it was funny.
I mean, when I was always busking, I did feel a bit like, because, you know, you're playing the popular songs, you're playing, you know, the Hollywood trendy stuff.
It always felt a bit like, I don't want to play this forever.
I want to write my own music.
I want to make, you know, make something different. And so...
I couldn't really go back to it now, because it doesn't feel right to me.
But I mean, yesterday, no, it wasn't yesterday, two days ago, we did a gig in support of Press Freedoms and Julian Assange.
So, we played outside the courtroom there and we kind of just freestyle.
So, we might play like another Brick on the Wall by Roger Waters and then we might just adjust the lyrics, you know, about certain things.
So yeah, I mean we kind of, we might, use old songs and then freestyle it, so we kind of have that element of what busking was and the simplicity, but we just kind of bring it and adjust it, I suppose.
mean it it sounds like a very natural thing for a musician to want to share their music but obviously uh 2021I've I followed it and you got arrested.
What was your crime?
Yeah, so that was part of the UK tour um and that was in February 2021, that was our first UK tour with the motor home, and I got arrested and accused.
I mean there was there was a few hundred people of us in a park having a good time and I think it was it was organized.
It wasn't organized by me, but it was organized, I don't know, maybe a few days before: everyone let's go to this park in East London and West London.
And so I turned up there with some amps and my drum kit and an Irish guitarist called Alan and some other musicians jumped on, and it was just me and a few other people that I had personally invited, but I got arrested and accused of organizing the whole thing, which I didn't, and then I went to court and I was like: "I didn't do it all I just, I just posted about it the night before, hey, let's jam for freedom here."
And then it got stamped on me.
So yeah, that was really sad because, well it was a bit eye opening because, you know, the reason, one of the reasons I started Jam for Freedom is because of my scepticism of, you know, governments and their, corruption and what they're doing to Europe and what they've done to the world and what what they're still doing.
It was kind of like: oh, yeah, I was right, you know, because the judge was interrupting me.
He wouldn't let me finish.
He was saying, oh did you write your speech?
Did you write your, I can't remember what it's called, your testimonial, you know, my defence or something.
Yeah, your statement your defence.
My statement, you know, did you write that?
Oh, because I was quoting as well, previous, like law suits or litigation which proved that it wasn't a crime which was all valid and he was interrupting me and telling me: oh that's not relevant.
And even even quoting like the English constitution and talking about the right to petition which is in the commonwealth countries.
You know, you have a right to protest and that supersedes, you know, all the other laws to a degree, right?
As long as you're not disturbing peace, which I wasn't, you know, we, I just, I didn't organize it.
At the end of the day, whatever they were accusing me of, it wasn't true, but they just slapped cut on me and I got fined.
They tried to fine me for 10 grand, but we got it reduced down to about 700 odd quid.
You know, I still got a criminal conviction for jamming in a park with like five other people for about half an hour.
You know, and but, you know, it just just happened that a few hundred people had already organized and planned to go there before even the the music was was on the schedule.
It's bonkers, that court appearance it's bonkers, because uh it's what we've seen certainly over the last four years, it's the establishment looking down.
And I mean, how dare you, or able to put something together in your defence?
You're just a pleb and you're speaking to someone in the system, in the criminal system, who is of a higher echelon in society.
I think we've seen that attitude across the board in the last four years.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's just kind of ingrained in...
You know, that kind of culture and, you know, the imperialist ideas.
You know, you have to, squash the rebellions, but I don't really, you know, I don't really care about what they think and how they view me and what their views are because, you know, I believe that what we do is, is far more powerful, far more beautiful, you know, and, and it's a celebration, and you know you can't you can't stop it.
You can't stop us celebrating and having a good time and connecting and spreading the truth.
Yeah.
It's just it's never going to stop me and you know they can be whatever they want to be.
It doesn't matter.
We're going to keep going.
Well, let me bring up, this is the, there we go.
That is the poster with a lot happening, and you've packed a heck of a lot in.
And you can just see that, obviously, August 8th to the 11th.
Let me repeat that, in St Albans.
And all the, if you go onto your Twitter page or the website, everything is there.
But I mean tell us about the event, tell us about what you want to happen, maybe your experiences from the first event, what you've learned.
Tell us about the the first one, what was that like and what were your takeaways from it
I mean our schedule this year is incredible.
You can jump on our website and we've got the whole schedules there, four pages of four different days, you know, there's over 150 different artists and performances and pantomime, comedians, panellists, workshops, every morning and much more, so jump on there and you can see that poster in detail.
Yeah, it was all, I mean I did festivals in my garden growing up.
I don't have a big garden, it's just like the council house garden, but my mum was really, really kind and let us all get together.
So, I've always done festivals since I was a teenager, and I just love that energy of just people getting together that maybe wouldn't have like hung out before.
But they're just kind of like, you know, meshing and they're kind of just getting on sharing a beer.
I just I like seeing unity and peace in the world.
I think we all do, really.
And so yeah, it's been on my mind to to put on a festival for years and then with Jam for Freedom happening it was part of my my plan; okay I'm going to put on festival as soon as I can to celebrate what we're doing.
And last year we did it for the first time.
It sold out, it was it was amazing.
It was very challenging, we worked for many months to kind of get everything sorted in time and, you know, fly in a guests and organize their travel and organize accommodation and organize, you know, there's so many things that are going on.
It could have been a lot better.
We did hire...
We hired a production team and they put a main stage together, which didn't work essentially.
And we were like, you know, you're going to come and fix this.
And they were like: yeah, and then they were like, oh, actually we're going to refund you.
And then I took them to court, because they didn't give me a refund.
I mean, they had really good testimonials and clients.
I don't know what the hell happened.
Took him to court twice and I won on both hearings and they were then, they were then hit with two county court judgments, but they didn't pay me any refund or any compensation and it was a lot of money that they owed me.
So, I had to kind of shoulder all of that responsibility and that difficulty.
But we had an amazing volunteer team an amazing team that we kind of put together like in the moment like right okay we're going to make a new stage in this in this marquee and we you know we basically adapted to the whole situation but obviously when stuff like that happens we had delays but uh this year we've got Right Said Fred's chosen production team who they've worked with on tours, and they've worked with massive artists like number one chart and topping artists.
And they're called Absolute Audio Hire.
So, they're managing the whole production this year of the main stage, which is where all the big stuff happens.
And then we've got an amazing production team that's going to help run the second stage.
So, that was really challenging, but, you know, what could I do?
You know, I hired a company, paid them a lot of money, and they scanned me and I took them to court.
Then they folded their company and went into administration.
So, you know, it's just all these things.
The site we used as well, they didn't, take care of the site.
We tried to take them to court, but they had already closed their company and they were scamming people.
And it was just, yeah, it was just a shame.
But our new site has, it's got, it's got tons of space, it's, it's got enough for 5000 people, but we're keeping it nice and intimate about 500 people.
And it's gorgeous.
It's got like a river running through it.
It's a stone's throw from London and like Luton and Heathrow Airport.
So, it's super accessible for guests from all over.
So, yeah, but it was an amazing time.
Overall, it was, you know, I've got so many emails like this was amazing.
Best festival ever.
I can't wait to come back.
You know, most people have come back from last year and we're just getting through our last tickets now.
But test that organizational side, because I've been an events coordinator back donkeys ago and organized fairly sizable events, but when you look at the number of individuals you have participated; it's one thing to organize a conference with maybe six or eight speakers during the day.
You've got a whole page full and and that's a world away from simply doing the music,now you've got all the organizational side you have to arrange, and I think that most people when they come to that they have no idea really of the work that goes on behind the scenes.
So, I'm sure whenever it was finished you were; it's happened, it's done, I can put my feet up now.
Yeah, I was proud of it, you know, you have that stress, but you have the the pride that you've done it I mean.
I guess from playing on, it kind of what, I'm a bit seasoned for the pressures and the stress from from playing on.
The streets and having police follow you and trying to arrest you, and you know, to stay calm and deal with that pressure.
I mean we had gigs when there was like 24, 27, riot police vans just encircling us, and you know, it becomes a bit of a military operation, because you have to kind of work out; right okay how long can we play for before we think they're going to come and come at us.
"Okay, let's keep let's do one more song, and you know, okay, you've got that drum, you've got that speaker, you know, you're ready to go if we need to beeline out of here, and we've we've done that stuff, so it becomes like, you know, it became kind of like second nature to deal with that pressure.
Also, these these musicians that we work with.
I mean, I know most of them, like I've played with them.
I toured with them, you know, I know them all like and I have an amazing volunteer team and, like amazing stuff that have worked with me and talk with me and toured with these artists.
So, there's loads of cross-pollination with all these musicians from across the world, Of course, England and the UK that we all kind of know each other.
And we all kind of  have got used to that pressure of of the Jam for Freedom gigs, and kind of everything goes on with it, but but yeah; as well as well with the speakers.
You know, I mean, we've done like almost 500 well over 500 shows across the world and that's led to all these different people that I've met and slept at their houses and on their sofas and their spare rooms and, and they're all part of the festival.
Like amazing staff who worked with me, tour with me,
So, it's a real massive community of people from America, Ireland, Europe, etc.
I we've got some Australians coming that are just happening to be in England this year that have done Jam for Freedom shows.
Yeah, it's intense, but at the end of the day it's a beautiful experience and it's a beautiful community, and yeah, I just hope that hope you guys can all come.
We've got really limited tickets now, so jump on, and get the last shoe.
Yeah, 100 percent, we're doing this just a day before it goes out, but certainly I'll repeat: everyone one go and and get tickets and make sure you're you're part of that.
Tells about the people you've met, I mean I've, to me, actually the last four years learning experience for me, media, you're obviously doing these massive events, and it's all about the people you meet, and they're phenomenal people who maybe wouldn't have crossed before, because you're doing one area and they're moving a different area, traditionally, you may not have crossed paths, but because of what we've faced the last four years, it's kind of standing shoulder to shoulder people who you may not agree with everything, but actually there's a lot you can work together on.
And that issue of freedom, free speech, freedom to assembly, all of that.
I mean, yeah, let us know some of those some people like I, you've obviously got the Fred’s there, and I remember thinking this is surreal on the phone chatting to Fred or Richard; on and on.
I think this is just the strangest experience.
But this is what I think the last four years have opened up.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, I was busking on the streets in central London.
So, you know, I was getting a lot of people following me on social media and I think I had like Pixie Lott, who's an English singer.
She like been tweeting my video or something, but yeah, it wasn't any, you know, I'm just I'm a lad from a council house, and I don't have any famous family or anything, so I mean, having tea with Eric Clapton at his house, that was pretty, that was pretty wild, because I'm kind of nervous, you know mean; like I'm just like this is just; his wife and in meeting his family, and because he, put us...
So, Eric Clapton if people don't know, he used to we well we used to do loads of live streams, so our shows we'd live stream across the world in the lockdowns and people would tune in and, you know, give them a bit of hope and something to enjoy and sometimes they'd pop down, and you you know, be part of the live stream.
Eric was following our live streams and when he saw what happened to us in Hyde park one time when the police ambushed us and damaged some of our equipment and pushed people over and it was I think it was in march maybe it was April 2021, so he was watching that, he donated to help us repair some equipment and then we had a car that was donated; a little people carrier a little cheap cheapo vehicle.
There was a problem with that, it got written off, then I said: Eric can we borrow a van or something and yeah he lent us a tour bus basically um so I went and met him got the tour bus um you know he was just he's just a big fan of us and he was writing music whilst watching our live streams he wrote like the guitar solo to wherever all the rebels gone which he did with van Morrison.
Yeah, I mean that was that was pretty cool to have like Clapton be a fan of what we do and you know.
Hang out with him and go to a studio.
Completely unexpected, you know, because I'm a drummer, and his drummers, and the drummers that he played with are like people I based all my playing on.
So yeah, I mean there's others as well I mean just when we when we go when we go on tour and and i remember state when we went into Edinburgh and we do our gig and then we go halfway through: by the way we don't have any work to stay tonight could someone put us up, you know.
And it just always worked, and so I just never thought, I know, I don't need to plan, where I know I know someone's got a spare room or sofa, and this couple put us up and the woman; beautiful house, they, you know, so we got the proper like Scott's hospitality, it was just, we were so blessed.
You know, the wife was a an ex-head teacher still teaching and then the husband was like an oil rig engineer kind of supervisor type role, you know, he would I don't know, you know, they were smart, really, you know really smart people, and that was the thing is, we'd meet all kinds of people, you know, from all walks of life that, you know.
Perhaps I wouldn't have really kind of got on with or maybe had much common ground with, but all of a sudden we had this common ground because we were all in it together to spread that message out there on the streets and in the parks and have a good time when the police would come up to me and go: excuse, you know, in my ear, when I'm playing in Edinburgh, there's a video of it.
And the police policeman comes up and he goes: can you, I need you to ask people to social distance.
And I go, that's not my job, mate.
Freedom!
Just keep going.
You know, we're all in it together.
We're all just, just having a good time.
So yeah, it's been fascinating and you know, you do meet tons of people on the road and and you know the Assange show a couple days ago, you know, I saw people I hadn't seen in a couple of years.
It's a really nice community, so yeah, good on us all for for getting out there and meeting people when we were supposed to just stay in and as one of my friends, well I was not a friend anymore, he said: I should just sit inside and just eat some biscuits.
I'm like no, I'm going outside, I'm gonna go on a tour mate.
Yeah screw that idea.
I think we've seen a lot of information coming out about the totalitarian regime that we all live under and so you watch individuals giving giving speeches, I mean, I know you've got Tess Lawrie coming in.
I've watched her many times and had her on, but then it's kind of a departure into then looking at comedians and how comedy is used to engage and then looking at how music is used to engage and maybe, I'm kind of thinking more information, so this is about a speech or a presentation that's kind of my background in politics and all of that, but this is something very different.
Give us an insight of how music then, I guess, captures people in a in a completely different way than standing up and maybe doing a presentation which we think well, that's where you get a message across.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it can all be part of the same, you know, it's all part of the same like kind of sphere I suppose.
I mean, I guess when I've, you know, being really proud of my country and being a patriot and, you know, and spending time listening to videos and history and hours and hours of reading, you know, that kind of gives me that foundation of going, you know what, Jam for Freedom is a good idea and I'm going to do it, you know, back in 2020.
So, having that foundation of of that kind of knowledge, and you know, I'm always learning you know, you never know enough do you, but I think that the festival itself is it's kind of a celebration of what how, you know, that that is how Jam for Freedom started.
It started from knowing what; knowing good knowledge, wanting to know more, wanting to do the right thing, wanting to stay healthy, through watching speeches and reading panels and reading books and presentations and stuff.
And then the music is really that kind of icing on the cake, just, you know, so to speak, the cherry on top ,and so yeah we need the whole thing.
The really good thing about our festival program is it's curated in a way so that in the mornings you have the workshops; which is yoga, Falun gong, which you might know about is censored in in communist china.
So, we have all these kind of like...
We're trying to bring like indigenous ideas and and kind of really will help people relax and get healthy so you've got that in the morning um and then it goes into the panels, and then kind of in between the panels there's a break and then some of the music start so you can see all the panels you can do all the workshops and then you can still have like six seven eight eight, nine hours of live music and partying, you know, approximately, it might be a little bit, you know, around that timeframe. So you can have all of it, you know, and if you don't want to watch maybe one of the panels, well, there's an act on, there's an opera singer on, or there's, you know, you don't want to watch one of the live acts, you know, that's a different flavour. You can just watch some comedy.
You know, we've kind of curated it in a way so that you can fit in as much as possible, that you could basically see 90% of it.
And not miss not miss any of it.
Yeah so, that's my view on it and that's what we're bringing this year.
I want to finish off on on the issue of finance, because we live in a world where people are used to getting things for free whether it's media, news, interviews music, people now expect everything free and it's interesting in having that conversation with people to point out that actually everything has a cost.
And obviously putting on a festival like this, it doesn't come free unless someone owns a huge castle and wants to put it on on their ground to pay for it, that there are a lot of costs to put it on.
Just finish on that, because I think it's important that we, who believe, in actually freedom buy into it.
And that does mean buying into it with the money we have available, as well as our time and publicizing these events.
Yeah absolutely.
Yeah, know, where you put your money is where you put your vote in in effect, to the society that you want to build, and you know, in your children's future.
So yeah, support Hearts of Oak and support you know all the great causes that that that are close to your heart because it helps build a better world, and yeah, it is expensive to do what we do you know and to do what you do Peter, you know, with your studio and, you know um you know all the costs attached to it same with the festival it's a huge expense.
But you know we keep costs as low as possible and, you know, the food and drinks affordable, and whatever you know, the ticket the tickets support the musicians: pay for their pay for their travel, pay for their costs, pay for the, you know, comedians pay for the panellists, pay for the workshops, and in the morning and and everything, you know.
So you know you're you're in effect supporting people that support you that support a better world, um and we need to strengthen that and we need we need to be unafraid of creating an alternative economy that um can can rival the mainstream economy um and I've always championed that I've never been afraid to think that and you know even before I was doing jam for freedom
One Christmas, I think it was 20 the Christmas 2019, I challenged myself and I said: right, every gift I buy for my family members is going to be made in the UK and I don't know how much spent, 300, 400 pounds or something, you know, on all these gifts for my family, and I found it all.
The sheepskin shoes made in Devon, you know, the soaps made in in England, the socks made in Yorkshire etc etc.
So I've always been a champion of like. kind of, that you know that we can build our own economies that we can put our money where our mouth is.
With Jam for Freedom, this is a British institution I suppose, it's a British idea, it started here, support it, it's grown across the world, and you know, we're in talks to-do other festivals in in other countries, but yeah, support it, help us grow, and yeah, put your money where your mouth is guys.
It will come back to bless us all and bless the future.
Yeah, I'm sorry one more question, but last one about; so people are thinking of turning up, they're thinking actually, I have kids, I don't know if they can come, I don't know if I can just come for the day, or if I can stay there, camp there, kind of what's the deal with some of those practical questions that people may have?
Yeah, we have day tickets.
We have camping tickets.
We have tickets for people that live local and want to just pop in each day. We have spaces for camper vans, motorhomes.
There's a massive campsite for tents.
We have glamping options.
So, if you just want to come and have a tent all built for you with a proper bed and, you know, it's kind of like a hotel.
It's like a hotel, they're beautiful, that's all there.
We do free tickets for children under 12, um and if you're a carer um of someone that's disabled then you can come for free you just need to send us an email and then we'll just confirm it all so we do loads of free discounted tickets and we have a discount code as well for the last 100 tickets which are on sale now and that code is FINAL100, I believe. FINAL100, yeah.
You can find that on our social media.
And join our mailing list as well, because we do loads of shows.
And we did a really fun show a couple of days ago for Assange in London.
And we do a lot of fun, free shows as well.
Although, I've got a baby now, and I don't live in London anymore.
So, it's kind of like I live up north.
So, it's kind of logistically not as easy to put on all the free shows that we used to, the last couple of years, but yeah, we're trying to do more.
We do other stuff, look we're sponsoring The Better Way fair which is run by world council for health, and we're putting on some bands there we're running a stage, and we've got another gig in Ipswich as well at an organic pub.
So, get on our mailing list and you can see more, but yeah please do support the festival, come along, come and get the final tickets, support Peter and Hearts of Oak. and if you've got any questions just drop us an email drop us a message, because we'd love to have you part of the festival.
Wonderful.
I hope to see people there.
Make sure the viewers and listeners go jamfreedom.com.
Put your details down there so you can be kept up to date with what is happening, not just the festival, but everything else.
And do come and be a part of that in St. Albans, just north of London.
Easy to get to, as Cambel said.
And it's the 8th to the 11th. 8th to 12th or 8th to 11th?
What is it?
8th to the 11th?
Yeah,
8th to the 11th.
Yeah, 8 to 11.
Wonderful, Cambel thank you so much for coming on and sharing love what you're doing.
It's exciting bringing people together, like-minded people, and being able to I guess connect together which is what we've been told is bad and you cannot do over the last four years and it's great to see something so against what we were told to do and something so natural and normal for all of us.
Cambel, thanks so much for your time today.
Thank you Peter
Yeah, jamforfreedom.com, check out all the artists, you can listen to their music as well and see the full schedule, so we'll see you soon.
Thank you so much Peter.