Hearts of Oak Podcast

Dr Steve Turley - The Liberal Meltdown Begins in Earnest

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Dr Steve Turley has been enjoying the liberal meltdown in his recent videos and he joins us to give us an analysis of what is happening. The legal case against President Trump keeps hitting roadblocks making all those with 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' so mad. Whatever they throw at 'The Don' just boosts his poll numbers. And the J6 narrative is unravelling with all the footage being released by the new House Speaker. Even Vivek is openly opposing the liberal consensus. And with Biden's poll ratings tanking and Alex Jones returning to Twitter there is much to be joyful about.
Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University) is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker, and author who is widely considered one of the most exciting voices in today’s growing patriot movement.Dr. Steve’s popular YouTube channel has over 1 million subscribers and daily showcases his expertise in the rise of nationalism, populism, and traditionalism throughout the world. His videos, podcasts and writings on civilization, society, culture, education, and the arts are widely renowned.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Dr. Steve Turley, it's wonderful to have you back. Thanks so much for joining us once again.The honour's all mine, Peter. It's great to be back with you.
Good to have you. And of course, if people are not following you, which I can't imagine, but in case they're not, at @DrTurleyTalks is your Twitter or X, however you want to call it, and @DrSteveTurleyTV on YouTube.And of course, turleytalks.com is the website, turleytalks.com.All those are in the description, whether we have people watching on different media or whether they're listening on the podcasting apps on the go.Everything is in the description. Now, Dr. Steve, one of your titles of your videos caught my eye.Many of them catch my eye and many of the thumbnails catch my eye as well.But it was the, has the liberal media meltdown begun? And there are a lot of things happening, I think, to be hopeful about.And of course, you often bring out a hopeful side where I think sometimes we may be guilty of seeing the doom and gloom and the negative.So yeah, you're challenging the narrative on so many issues.I think I wanted to pick up on some of those, the collapse of the narratives that we've seen.And maybe we can start on the legal case against President Trump.And obviously this is to make sure he does not run because he is the biggest threat to the establishment.And that seems to be unravelling. Do you want to maybe let us know, again, half our audience is US, half is UK, but let us know what's been happening on that legal side?Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating. So, you know, there's been several indictments against President Trump, but the main one, the one that's kind of leading it all is what's known as his J6 indictment, his, an indictment for supposedly criminal behaviour in a deliberate attempt to overthrow a Democrat election on January 6th, where our electors are certified and legitimated by Congress.We go by an electoral college here.You need 270 electoral votes to win. Every state in our 50 states has a certain number of electoral votes.And then you send electors, 270 of them, you win.That's basically, you send them to Washington, D.C., they get confirmed, they get certified, legitimated by Congress, and you win.And there was a debate back a few years when this was happening of whether or not the vice president is the presider over the proceedings could actually reject electors largely because of ongoing controversies in their states or whether or not you could send alternative electors based on those controversies from your state.And then the vice president has leeway. He has some freedom to determine which electors is going to be, is going to recognize.That's all just part of the debate. I think it's relatively settled.We do have it historically. It's been over 100 years, but we do have some precedent where the vice president can come in and exercise some, shall we say, judicial privilege in determining which electors he's going to receive or send back and then have the state work out the issue and then come back at another date, say, you know, January 18th or whatever, just set an arbitrary date for those states to work out whatever, uh, election controversy is issues.They still have that, uh, play out. Well.Trump is being accused of criminal behaviour in promoting alternative electors and promoting the vice president to reject the electors that were sent because of the controversy surrounding the November 3rd election.And Jack Smith is the special counsel who is leading these charges.He has a history of pushing, as I understand it, bogus charges against people.He has a very, very bad overturning rate when it goes through the appellate process, the appeals court, the higher up court.A lot of his convictions actually get overturned because he seems to be a little bit on the seedy side of things.Anyway, what happened is that Trump's lawyers filed for appeals against Judge Chutkan's decision not to grant him or not to recognize his immunity as president.And Chutkan is also a very controversial figure. She's considered very radical, left-wing and the like.And the D.C. court circuit is seen as very radical and left wing and the like.
So what Trump's lawyers have been doing is they filed these appeals to higher up courts, the appellate court process to overturn Chutkan.And now they the the appeal process may reject those appeals and send it back to Chutkan's court.But as long as those appeals are playing themselves out, Chutkan can no longer conduct court.She no longer has jurisdiction over the issue, over Trump and the litigation that he's facing as long as this appeals process goes on.Now, Jack Smith knew that was going to happen.And this appeals process can take months.He knew that was going to happen. So he kind of, we have the expression here.He jumped the shark. It comes from a happy days. The old, if you guys all know the old happy days sitcom with Fonzie and all that, when they, when their ratings were tanking.They had a program devoted to Fonzie getting on some jet skis and jumping over a shark area.And I forget it was in Hawaii or something like that. It was just this absurd attempt to try to get, garner attention or try to get people to take them seriously again. Well, Jack Smith has jumped the shark.He's taking Trump's immunity claim all the way directly to the Supreme Court.He's actually bypassing all appellate courts, going directly to the Supreme Court.And then the Supreme Court said, fine, yeah, we'll take a look at it.But we're not going to tell you when we're going to rule.And that ruling could be this summer. It could be next.It could be the following year. We just don't know. It just depends when they put on the dock.So what happened is Jack Smith demanded, basically, in his appeal to the Supreme Court, You got to settle it.Whatever your decision is, you got to settle it in this session, this Supreme Court session.He never explained why they had to settle it in the Supreme Court.He never explained why such a decision was needed to be hastened and the like.And we all know why, because he needs it before the 2024 election.So he's basically overtly admitting that this whole thing is a political sham, that the court trial is scheduled right now for March 4th.Nobody thinks that's even remotely going to happen, not even remote, even before all of these appeals were being filed.Now that it's in the hands of the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court usually doesn't, you know, they don't publish their decisions until the summer.They'll make a decision now, but they won't publish it till the summer.Nobody's even taking that date seriously. And so it looks like Trump won't even be in trial before the 2024 elections.And so Jack Smith, Chutkan and Biden, they're all, even DeSantis in a sense, because the only way DeSantis could ever possibly have a chance is if Trump was somehow removed because he was convicted, which wouldn't even happen in and of itself.You can vote for anybody you want as president here in the States.I mean, we see it all around the world, Lula in Brazil, or even Netanyahu in Israel.I mean, there's plenty of people have been indicted who get who get elected no problem so anyway the uh right now you just have the weaponized legalist proponents with egg on their face and Trump looks like he's going to he's going to cruise through 2024 as things stand now we'll see what they come up with in terms of trying to take him out. 
Yeah because I always wondered why DeSantis was running I assumed that he was expecting the legal case to move forward and Trump to be stopped.But the more legal issues are thrown at Trump, the more successful he is doing in the polls.And I can imagine some strategists, there must be a few of them somewhere in the Democrat Party, wondering what we're trying is not happening.And the last thing, I guess, the opponents want is Trump in court months before election, because that simply plays to his supporter base over a deep state.You got it. And I don't think they understood this. It's part of, I get, I think we're seeing the same thing in Britain.Our ruling class just occupies such a different cultural space than the rest of the population, the vast majority of the population.They didn't recognize that when they took a mugshot of Trump, they would be moving him from one cultural sphere into another cultural sphere.Prior to the mugshot, he was a New York billionaire president.After the mugshot, he suddenly shared an experience that many people, particularly in our underclass, have experienced or know someone.So if you ask anybody in our inner cities, how many New York billionaire presidents do you know?Zero. But if you ask them, well, how many people do you know who've been unfairly targeted by the man?Who've had mugshots, been arrested? Well, all of a sudden that number goes up exponentially.So Trump in just that one act, in that one picture too, you know, pictures are worth thousands of words, in that one act, the deep state where they recognized him or not moved him from one cultural space where he's actually in many ways very much removed and aloof from your average citizen to another cultural space that has tremendous amount in common with your, you know, your average citizen.So that's where the populism starts to kick in.They don't recognize that we're going through a legitimacy crisis right now.I think it's both Europe, particularly Western Europe and the United States, where every poll shows that virtually all of our public institutions, from our government to our media, to our judicial systems, all are haemorrhaging trust and confidence among the people.If I recall, there was Matthew Goodwin, a good British scholar, I'm sure you know him.He did, in his book on nationalist populism, they did a study back in the 1960s, 70% of Brits saw the government operating for the good of most or all.Today, it's basically 19%. I mean, it's just literally plummeted.And in the United States, it's even worse.In many respects, the United States may be the single most divided country on the planet right now.I mean, that's not an exaggeration. The gap that exists between our ruling elite and the people is growing more and more by the day.And that's precisely why I think every time you see Trump becoming a victim of weaponized legalism his polls go up every single time. And I couldn't agree with you more. I think if he got convicted it might be the biggest landslide we've ever seen.
How does the J6 narrative fit in this because the footage is out, speaker of the house released it all. I thought Tucker had released it but maybe I don't know, the speaker has now released it. And you put a video out, could it actually be your latest video on Vivek Ramaswamy on with CNN and challenging the J6 narrative and taking great joy in the fact that maybe CNN viewers had never come across this before and enjoyed that platform.But how much does the J6 narrative and the videos release that information?How much does that fit in with kind of where Trump is and maybe challenging some of the narrative going against him?
It is. Well, again, J6 was used and we talk a lot about, say, like what happened with Alex Jones.J6 was used against Trump very much like the Sandy Hook shooting was used against Alex Jones.It was an effective tool that the regime uses to isolate and seclude dissent.That's a very, very important technique. We can develop that a bit more.So J6 was for three years, almost three years now, right?It was a very effective weapon against not just Trump, but the whole MAGA movement and America First that we're all in the end insurrectionists. That's what we are.Give us a chance and we'll just overthrow the government and install some authoritarian despotic rule.That is falling apart. That's just collapsing, especially, like you said, with the larger footage that Tucker had released when he was with Fox and just more and more of the footage that's been coming out via the network society where we have instantaneous access to digital information, bypassing the legacy media, the way email bypasses the post office, basically.So I think Vivek did a good job in that.In that CNN slaughter was, I think he articulated the process that a lot of people were going through.If you had asked me three years ago, you know, did the FBI set up a bunch of well-meaning, but perhaps overzealous patriots, I would have, I would never have believed it.But then, of course, we had the whole Russian collusion fraud of 2016, and that cost us $30 million with a special counsel and the like.We had the whole Jussie Smollett race victim hoax.We had the whole Brett Kavanaugh is a racist. We had the whole COVID lab leak theory is nothing but a conspiracy theory.We had the Covenant Catholic school kids were a bunch of racists at a pro-life rally, of course.Racists at a pro-life rally, you just let that hit you.Every life is sacred, but darn it, I'm a racist. Right.You know, the notion that Hunter Biden's laptop was just Russian disinformation.Suddenly people start to say, wait a minute, we we're getting lied to all the time here.Maybe there is something to this J6 setup.And so I think that's in many respects, as I know, just on a personal note, I can't even count the amount of people I've talked to who've told me.They always thought so-and-so was a crackpot who believed in a deep state and conspiracy theories and so forth.And he said, I'm a believer now. After all of this, I'm an absolute believer.And then the polls are proving it. The vast majority of voters here do believe the FBI had some involvement in it.And of course, we have court documents that prove there were FBI agents in informants among the crowd.There's still no confirmation of how many. There's a Louisiana Congressman who believes there's upwards of 200 that were in the crowd.And so the entrapment charge seems to be pretty clear.You know, we have a governor Whitmer, Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan, and there was a whole like conspiracy to kidnap her.We're finding out that was a conspiracy that was actually constructed and concocted by by the FBI to entrap some, I guess, militia members or people part of a patriot movement out there.And they were, I think all of them were exonerated in court and the juries were very apologetic. They even had to go through this.So more and more people recognize, yeah, there is a deep state that does try to entrap its citizens in a manner comparable to a Banana Republic.And now you have a president, former president, who's the chief opposition candidate, who's being literally trumped up with bogus charges.And they're recognizing something's not right here.And the de-legitimation continues to go on.That's the key. I think the division in our nation grows with every passing day.
And you've done a number of videos on Biden's poll ratings.I mean, you've got years worth of footage, basically, if you look at those poll numbers dropping, dropping.Obviously, everyone says, well, it's the economy, stupid. Generally, that's what hits election chances. But then with everything else coming in, along with Biden being,not knowing what day of the week it is, never mind when he is being led off stage.How do all those factors play? Is it simply inflation or is it all those other factors that are playing into those? I mean, horrendous poll numbers.Yeah, no, I think so. I think you set that up well. I think something much deeper is going on. 
Again Matthew Goodwin, I think, caught it very well in his book on national populism.If people haven't read that, yeah...
I went to his book launch. I loved it 
Yeah it's, Matthews... I don't know if you've had him on your program, we got to have him on our our respective programs because he is really, and he and he's, well I should finish my sentence. He's really doing excellent work and he's bearing a lot of criticism from the woke academic world that says you're not allowed to even think in the categories.Eric Kaufman is another one at the University of London, a Canadian expat out there.Yeah, Matthew would call it a realignment, political realignment.I think it's absolutely right.I think you're seeing very same things happening both across the pond, both sides of the pond.Back in 1960, 50% of the British population ascribed very strong loyalty to one of the major parties, either Tories or Labour.Again, that figure today has dropped to like 10%. I think it was like 13%, exactly.Just a huge, huge drop.We're seeing something comparable here. What's happening is that because both parties, in our case, Republicans and Democrats, are just perceived as just occupying just such a different cultural space from their constituents, it's opening up opportunities.I think it was Eric Kaufman who actually refers to them as bootleggers.It's opening up opportunities for bootleggers, right?So a bootlegger, You know, just for just we're all clear, you know, here in the States, we banned alcohol for a while during Prohibition.And bootleggers were the ones that provided alcohol in the black market for people who wanted it.When people want something, but the government isn't providing it, they're going to go and look for bootleggers to get it.What we're seeing all throughout Europe, all throughout Europe, 300% increase in nationalist populist parties just over the last 10 years, and they're winning, right?You guys are no longer in the EU because of a bootlegger. We're seeing bootleggers rise up.We're seeing third, what I like to call third party candidates that is outside of your centre right, centre left parties rising up and giving the people, voicing the concerns of the people.I mean, you just had that amazing election in the Netherlands a couple of weeks back with Geert Wilders.I mean, I honestly believe, there was a time I thought he could pull it off back in 2017.I think it was the last major election. It could have been at the tail end of 2016, where he's really, really close.And then Mark Ruda ended up basically stealing his platform.And they were able to paint him as the extremist and blah, blah, blah.Those days are done. People see the establishment as the extremists because the establishment refuses to represent their values, interests, and concerns and continue to represent the values, interests, and concerns of the elite ruling class.Again, I think it was Matthew Goodwin.I'm going to fudge the data. I don't have it exactly in my head, but there was a Chatham House, the think tank study that found that it was something like 60, 70% of MPs believe that immigration is always good, whereas only about 20% of the voting population believe the same.So the discrepancy between the worldviews is so dramatic.What we have to understand here in the United States, Trump is a third-party candidate that won a major party nomination.He's not a Republican. He's not a George W. Bush. He ran against George W. Bush.He ran, and you're seeing it now with Nikki Haley and Chris, Chris, Christie, sorry, I always say Krispy Kreme. We have a donut shop here called Krispy Kreme.So Krispy, we also call him Taco Bell.You know, I, sorry, we've all been Trump-ized here, you know, but he turns everything into a WWE match, but yeah, he, you know, Trump is running against the establishment, Republican establishment, every bit as much as he's running against the Democrats, he's a third party candidate.Who got a major party nomination. And so you can't, in my opinion, a real assessment of what's going on can't limit the dynamics solely to the economy.You have to see this radical realignment happening as well.And that's what we're seeing. We saw it in 2016 with the white working class who had always voted Democrat in every single presidential election since 1988.Iowa, for example, voted for Mike Dukakis back in 88 when George Herbert Walker Bush got over 400 electoral votes.They were one of the 10 states that voted for Dukakis.Well, today, as of 2016, they're now voting 10, 20% for Trump.We had almost 200 counties in Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, very, very white working class counties that had voted for every Democrat candidate since 1988, suddenly switch en masse and vote for Trump, some with a 40-point swing.We saw, again, very similar dynamics happening during Brexit with the working class vote in Britain, as well as the December 2019 national elections where you had regions voting for the Tories that had never voted for the Tories, ever.And Boris Johnson, of course, destroyed that coalition because he's again, he's part of this aloof cultural class that might play populist, but it fell apart.And again, I think the Republicans are experiencing the same thing. Hence why.And to me, this is very important.When you put in a candidate other than Trump, the polls all re-equalize.Now all the Democrat constituents go back to the Democrats.Ohio is in play if you get rid of Trump. I've seen polls, if you put DeSantis in there, you put Chris Christie.Biden wins Ohio in a landslide.Very, very working class state that goes about 10 points pro-Trump.Would suddenly either be a swing state or would turn blue.So I think it's more than just the economy. I think it's this mass realignment of the working class toward a Trumpist populist paradigm.And now we're seeing the non-white working class join up with that.Obama won the non-white working class with a 70% margin back in 2012. Biden now has the non-white working class.He's winning them by only a 10% margin. So it's a stunning collapse.And they're not swinging to Republicans. They're swinging to Trump.So that's why Trump has got to do what Boris Johnson failed to do.And that is he's going to to have to, if he wins, he's going to have to command the authority to turn the Republican Party into a fully nationalist, populist, traditionalist party.As long as they remain globalist, their fate, I think, is going to be the same as the Tories.
I agree. And you touch on immigration. I think immigration is a key thing because here, our conservative party have promised tens of thousands of our immigration numbers and we're now up to 700,000.And the same there. I mean, Texas could build a wall and they're still arguing, discussing it. So I think that's a key issue.And I think that's, I mean, we even, I think you put a video up recently, even CNN having to read out those poll numbers and announce Trump ahead in a number of states.And I know we've had we've had Brandon Straka on before, the walk away campaign and Democrats beginning to realize that this is not the party they signed up to.And tell us about that, because it's the left media beginning to admit what the polls are telling them.And that is because Democrats are walking away.
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. That's it.When we'll set it down, the Democrat coalition's unravelling.That's one of the reasons why Biden is is is falling apart.And the only gift we could give them is to put someone other than Trump in.If you want to realign their coalition, that'll do it because voters don't trust Republicans and Republicans are giving them a wonderful opportunities not to trust them.They try. They tend to stab them in the back every chance they get.Yeah, we've had a couple of some sort of really impressive studies of late.There was something called a split ticket analytics study.That was a meta study of national trends going on politically.And then Democracy Corps did more of a micro study of late on just the battleground states.So again, because we're an electoral college, we're all clear because we're an electoral college system.Forget California, they're going to vote blue. Forget Texas, it's going to vote red. Florida's going to vote red.Blue states, and sorry, our blue is liberal, right? And our red is conservative.I know it's the opposite there. Right, exactly.But hopefully everyone could translate, right? Just mirror it.And so for us, it comes down to about seven purple states, right?So that'll work. Seven purple states. They could go either way.And what is so fascinating, particularly in that democracy core study, is they really looked at the battlegrounds. And that's what we try to do in our polls.We try to look at what's going on nationally, some national trends, but then you're going to have to drill down and see if those trends are corroborated and what's going on in the battleground states.Because Biden could be doing great nationally.He might be up two, three points in a poll, but that's only because the poll is skewed more to the population centres in LA and San Francisco and New York and Chicago.They're they're going to vote blue no matter what. The question is, what's going on in those purple states?And when you look at the purple states, it really does look like the Democrat coalition has unravelled.When they divide up their voter demographics and they look at Gen Z and millennial voters, when you break them down by race, so you get really nitty gritty in the demographic breakdown.Gen Z white voters favour Trump by 30 points.It's stunning. Now, these are more or less you're under 30 voters, to make it simple.And millennials, I think, are between 30 and 40, something like that.So Trump is winning the white Gen Z vote. And again, overwhelmingly by 30 votes.The white millennials are voting for Trump by 20 points.Latino voters in the battleground states, Trump is winning them.He's winning them by three points. Nationally, it's Biden by around five points, but that represents a 20 point decline from 2020.When it comes to blacks, this is probably the most astonishing number.Trump right now has black support. Even the New York Times has admitted that no Republican has seen in half a century.He's up around 20 points.It's just we haven't seen this with any Republican candidate. Biden right now nationally.He's winning the black vote with 52% of the vote But that's down 30 points from 2020. He won the black vote far above that 85-90%. So Trump is seeing black support like we've not seen before. Women, I mean the battleground polling shows that Trump actually has a 25 point lead among not just white women, but even unmarried white women.It's the unmarried. We, married women tend to vote Republican in the United States.They tend to be much more traditionalist. It's the unmarried women that tend to be the Republicans women problem.They talk about unmarried white women now are with Trump by 25 by 25 points.We're even finding that he's within the hair's breadth of winning the college vote, those with college degrees.So in the United States, I'm sure it's comparable in Britain, there's a tremendous political difference between those who have college degrees and those who don't, so-called working class.And working class right now are just overwhelmingly voting Trump and are increasingly voting Republican, whereas the college degrees tend to overwhelmingly vote liberal.They kind of got what we say they got woke.You know, that's not going on in 2024.Now, Trump is even leading actually among women with college degrees, white women with college degrees.It's just, so we're seeing, in effect, the Democrat coalition just unravel right before for our very eyes.And now, yeah, you have articles coming out on CNN saying Joe Biden has an electoral math problem.I mean, it's a nice way of saying he can't win as these polls are playing themselves up, because it's not that Trump just has leads in these battleground states.He has leads that are far beyond the margin of fraud, which is around one or two percent.You can play around with the vote up to about 1% or 2%. Beyond that, there's really...You know, you've exhausted all the precincts that you can suck out some extra votes from.So he's winning by four, six, eight, 10 percent in these battleground state polls.And there's just, they're freaking out.They know they can't do 2020 again with the massive mail-in ballot campaign that they had.So they're left to the weaponized legalism to try to take Trump out through through a conviction, but like you said earlier, convict him, as things stand with this process of de-legitimation his poll numbers are even going to go higher. 
Well you, that's the meltdown on the political side and the legal side and a massive part to disseminate information is the media and you've done quite a bit also on the meltdown in the media, specifically the woke media.I think nothing signifies that more than Alex Jones going back on X or Twitter.And Musk said he would put it out to the polls.Here in the UK, we've seen our most probably high-profile controversial figures would be Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson, and they have both also been reinstated to Twitter.Tell us about that, because it is a joy to watch the left freaking out at free speech being allowed to reign.Yeah, and just let that hit you, right?Just so that a free press, a free media is freaking out over free speech.It's, I mean, what's up is down, what's down is up.Yeah, well, I think we all know what they're really freaking out about.And they're finding their mechanisms, their tools of social control being wrenched away from them.They are ultimately upset that Elon Musk is effectively disrupting one of the regime's most important tools of social control, which is the establishment's ability to isolate dissent.Silencing dissent seems to involve two things.When you read scholars of censorship, they focus on these two dynamics quite often.I've found this very, very fascinating because we all focus on one dynamic, and that's the censorship proper, knocking somebody off the platform.We saw that with, obviously, Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson alike.We saw it with Alex Jones.Just, you remove the microphone. That's it. You turn off the microphone, knock them off, problem solved, right?Well, scholars have noticed when you go all around the world and you look at censorship techniques from authoritarian governments.No, they know that the person is popular enough. You could turn off their microphone, but they're still going to have an audience.You can still have public meetups, right? Email lists, direct mail, whatever.There's all kinds of ways you can still drum up social dissent if the person is popular enough.So that's why it can't just be the censorship proper.There's another step to this, and authoritarian regimes use this all the time.It's what leftist dissidents like Noam Chomsky refers to as manufactured consent.And this is largely the role of the Western media. This is the role the Western media has been given, as it were, by the establishment or is carved out for itself by the establishment.What our legacy media does here is they put forward a uniformity of not narrative.It doesn't matter if you're looking at ABC, NBC, CBS, or channel four, BBC, or whatever. It doesn't matter what you're looking at.It is a uniform narrative. Everyone is reading off the same script.That's very important because if everyone is reading off the same script, no one person is saying it.That's very important, right? Our founding fathers had a saying that we need to hang together or else we're going to hang separately.They were going against the crown, as it were. And that's very much the principle.We need to hang together. We need a uniform message.And that way, no one person is saying it. We're all saying it.And that uniform message, Noam Chomsky did a very, very good job in analyzing this.The uniform message plays, it always plays off of pre-existing sentiments, pre-existing loyalties, prejudices, whatever you want to call them.But the key is that the narrative, the uniform narrative, manipulates those pre-existing sentiments in such a way that strengthens the power of the regime.And that's exactly what they did to Alex Jones.The media unilaterally depicted Jones.And again, that's the key. Everybody is saying it. He's a crackpot.He's a crazed conspiracy theorist.He's a threat to democracy. He's a Putin stooge. He wants you to poison yourselves in the midst of a pandemic.And the piece de resistance, he is a cruel harasser of parents mourning over their murdered children.That was the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting, actually, which happened about 15 minutes from where I grew up in Connecticut.So the key here is that the uniformity of the media's message deliberately creates, it aims to try to create a massive us, we the people, versus a very tiny, small them, or in this case, him or her.And the reason why they're doing it, massing that kind of support, ironically, playing off of our sensibilities of poor parents who are mourning their kids and so on.The reason why they're doing that is to silence any and all dissent against the regime.So that's the key. It's not just the censorship.That's bad enough. But again, if the person's popular enough, they'll find other ways of reaching people. No, no, no.Manufactured consent is the means by which you destroy that popularity.The media's unanimous narrative that deliberately seeks to isolate and thereby silence any and all dissent from the regime is its principal tool to increase its power and its manipulation.And so I think that's why it seemed to, for so long, work so well with Alex Jones.He seemed to have been pushed off the stage, and Tommy Robinson seems to have been pushed off that stage. Again, it's not just the microphone that got silenced.People didn't want to be be associated with them anymore because of this uniform narrative that plays on our sensibilities in such a way that exploits them to increase the power of the regime.That's the key. And so what did Elon Musk do?He provided a massive communication network platform that invites these personalities back and thereby disrupts the unanimity of the media's narrative.And destroys their ability to isolate and seclude dissent.That's the key, I think, to the significance of what Elon has done.And notice now what they're doing to Elon.It's the same thing.
It is. And to finish off on this, you've got the schizophrenia of the legacy media.I mean, I saw Piers Morgan in the UK was interviewing Zuby, the rapper, And they were discussing Alex Jones and Piers was saying, well, how dare you? How can you have Alex Jones on Twitter?And they're arguing about whether you could or not.But then I think back, well, Piers Morgan had Alex Jones on his show maybe six months ago, eight months ago.So he's happy to have him on his show because the left realise it's a boost of, I mean, the left must have been, the media must have been so sad whenever Trump didn't turn up at those primaries. because it does boost that rating.And going into election year, they want Trump, but they don't.That's the same thing, the debate on the social media.I mean, Twitter actually being free, that is a game changer.Not that Twitter is where everyone finds, it is part of society, but everything else, you've got TikTok, you've got so many avenues of information.And I think I'm curious to see how those play out in an election year with the mainstream media being desperate to get a glimpse of Trump for their ratings, but the new media, the Twitter is actually opening up and free speech reining.Yeah, you're absolutely right, Peter. We talk about a lot on the channel, this phenomenon known as the network society.We are moving into a very quickly, if not, we're already there, I think in many respects, we're in a whole different social order in many ways.So back in the day, social order was primarily determined by proximity.And so in the 19th century, early 20th century, it's where the great cities, industrialized cities amassed.And then we had a whole media world rise up around them, you know, from the Washington Post to the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the L.A.Times, the Chicago Tribune, the London Times, the Wall Street Journal.They all revolve around these massive population centres, because if you wanted to go anywhere in the world for like, you know, if you want to go up the social ladder, you had to be where the action was happening.If I want to make it in the country music, I had to move to Nashville.Or if I want to make it in finance, I had to move to Wall Street or London.If I want to make it in gambling, I had to move over to Las Vegas.You had to be where the action is happening.We don't have to do that anymore.One of the most famous singers right now is Oliver Anthony.You probably see the rich men north of Richmond.And Oliver Anthony became this massive, massive country music hit, not by making it big in Nashville, not by getting signed by any kind of New York record executive.He made it big because of a camcorder and YouTube singing in his backyard in rural Virginia.
And he ends up on the Joe Rogan show. 
Exactly, exactly.Who again, and you just keep pushing that, who again is an independent content creator, totally independent of any kind of major network and so forth.So what we're living in the midst of now is the recalibration society, not around proximity, but around networks.So all you need is access to the network, namely the internet, just like you and I are doing right now. We're across the pond from each other, and yet I feel like I'm closer to you than somebody just 10 feet away from me over here.We now have access to what's going on, irrespective of proximity.You don't have to be where things are. You just have to tap into what things are, as it were.And what does that mean? That means now we all have access to disestablish, decentralize digital information instantaneously. We don't need a legacy media mediating it for us.They don't have a monopoly over that information anymore.The first pictures of some event around the world don't come to us from satellite trucks with CBS News splashed across the windows. They come from people's smartphones.Everybody with a phone is now a cameraman and everybody with a social media platform is now a commentator.We all have access to the same information, which means now we can fact check the fact checkers.We can fact check the legacy media in real time now.And they don't know how to handle this because they're still living as if the big mass industrial age is the primary mechanism of social order. It's not anymore. It's networks.It's instantaneous, disestablished, decentralized digital information.That's why the independent content creator with Tucker Carlson being probably the king of them right now, the independent content creators, the future of it.It's not big conglomerate media corporations like Fox.They're losing They're losing viewers.CNN is losing viewers. MSNBC is losing viewers. All the major newspapers are losing readers because the independent content creator who has just as much access to the information as anybody in the media is seen as more trustworthy precisely because they're not under the pressures, the professional pressures of pushing that uniformity of message.Absolutely. And that Tucker Carlson network will be one that we are all watching intrigued at what comes out of that.But Steve, thank you so much for coming.I love just picking off some of those videos that you've touched on, on the meltdown on those different sectors.So thanks so much for coming along and sharing your thoughts on those.
Oh, thank you, Peter. It's always an honour to be here.Many of your viewers may know I got my doctorate across the pond at Durham.And I always, always love visiting with my British brothers. So thank you, sir.

Ivor Cummins - Will Ireland Say No to Orwellian Hate Speech Law?

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Ivor Cummins, maybe better known to many of us as The Fat Emperor, has challenged the Covid narrative from the very beginning.  He joins us today to discuss a new tyranny happening not only in Ireland but across the whole of Europe. Compelled speech. Ireland's new "Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences" Bill has been waiting for approval in the Senate since the summer. This biggest curtailment of free speech was set to quickly pass until scrutiny from free speech champions stalled it. Ivor goes through the bill and the expected consequences. 
Ivor Cummins BE(Chem) CEng MIEI  completed a Biochemical Engineering degree in 1990. He has since spent 30 years in corporate technical leadership positions. His career specialty has been leading large worldwide teams in complex problem-solving activity.  Since 2012 Ivor has been intensively researching the root causes of modern chronic disease. A particular focus has been on cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity. He shares his research insights at public speaking engagements around the world, revealing the key nutritional and lifestyle interventions which will deliver excellent health and personal productivity. He has recently presented at the British Association of Cardiovascular Prevention and Rehabilitation (BACPR) and also at the Irish National Institute of Preventative Cardiology (NIPC) annual conferences. Ivor’s 2018 book “Eat Rich, Live Long” (co-authored with preventative medicine expert Jeffry Gerber MD, FAAFP), details the conclusions of their shared research: https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Rich-Live-Long-Mastering/dp/1628602732/
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Today, I'm delighted to have Ivor Cummins with us, The Fat Emperor.Ivor, thanks so much for your time today.
(Ivor Cummins)
No worries, Peter. Always good to chat about real truth and accuracy and avoid misinformation, shall we say.
Which is fast and thick and furious and being thrown at us from every angle.I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your different videos.I know recently you've done Dr Pierre Kory, who we had on, you've obviously been on TNT Radio, I saw I think recently with Darren Denslow who's been on with us quite a number of times and I think your title on that was Technical Manager, Biochemical Engineer and Technologist and obviously you've got your background in biochemical engineering and probably over the last couple of years you've been very vocal on pushing back against the COVID tyranny and then it's much wider.I think from 2012 you've been researching the root causes of modern chronic disease, focusing on cardiovascular and I'm sure that over the last three years a lot has been added to that, that you weren't expecting.But maybe you just take a moment and introduce yourself before we get on to what is happening in Ireland and the criminalization of speech.Yeah absolutely, so briefly I did biochemical engineering, I graduated in 1990, I spent five years in medical device and development of dialysis units and all that kind of stuff.So I got a lot of medical exposure there at the time, but then the next 20 years, plus I was on the high volume kind of, uh, electro fluidic devices.And it was great because it's extremely complex when you have around 10 sites around the whole world, making products, uh, billions, ultimately of complex devices, the slightest problem or the most subtle problems, it can become huge, you can lose millions of dollars overnight.So I was the master problem solver. Ultimately, I ran large teams on the most complex problems, multi factor.And I did that for 10 or 15 years, 20 years.And I was also a manager as well of teams of up to 20 engineers, directly people managing them, that was great experience.So, I just got this vast experience in complex problem solving and people management and essentially a form of politics, corporate politics, which was also very useful.And what we're seeing since COVID started, coming ultimately from Rockefeller Brothers Fund in the 50s, right through Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, UN, the EU, I'm beginning to view those as a complex problem solver as almost synonymous.So they're all so interconnected and countless NGOs and corporates and the World Economic Forum that people find it hard to believe.Well, how could this be orchestrated? Who could possibly organize it?And it's actually quite simple.It's a long game plan for a global governance structure.And it's funded by the people at the top and the most powerful political people and the US State Department has an interest.And they're all working for around half century or more since the Second World War towards a very tight, well-controlled global government.And yeah, it's not that hard to orchestrate, because all the right people are doing it.And they're doing it like we did things, corporate style. It's very structured.It's full of lovely language.It's got lovely goals that sound great. It's obviously highly sinister under the hood.But yeah, it's not that complex. But most people don't have the corporate experience to be able to decode something like this, find all the players and just see the whole picture.And that's the problem. Just like people have no knowledge of virology or epidemiology, you know, or immunology.So you can fool the people with ease.And that's the challenge we've been seeing. And that's what I jumped into in March, 2020, because I could see pretty quickly, I have five children, I could see where it was going, it wasn't hard.And I just knew that this is kind of the battle of our generation, there's no question about that.And if we lose, we'll have a China-style society in the West, and that's pretty much the outcome.Yeah, and I respect those views.I think Naomi Wolf actually mentioned that from day one, whenever it was announced shutting down Broadway, then her and her husband left New York immediately.Others has taken a little bit longer to see through.You're hoping for the best in institutions, in society, in media.I think we've realized there is no best there.But what has been then your last three and a half year because that's a world away from a background in the biochemistry, the research.What you're doing now is so different. So I mean let us know that change and what that has been like for you personally.Yes, it's certainly been interesting, but you live in interesting times.So 2012, 13 up to 2020, when COVID hit, I was deeply involved in biomedical and metabolic research, and I was going all over the world speaking.A wealthy Irish entrepreneur was funding me to travel all over the world to conferences, medical and nutritional, and to explain to people how what caused heart disease, Alzheimer's, most of the solid tumour cancers that cause the most death, and all of these modern chronic diseases go back to the devil's triad.So very simple, I named it that.It's sugar, refined grains, refined carbohydrates, and vegetable oils, seed oils.And that's what makes up most processed foods, which is around 60% of everyone's calories.So essentially, were poisoning the population for nearly a century now.So I was lecturing on all of that and on insulin resistance, which is the big thing you measure, because that's the target you have to get down low, and then you're pretty much okay.But then when COVID hit, I had been so involved in the corruption of the statin kind of industry, the cholesterol-lowering nonsense.I'd been involved in a lot of drug corruption, and also back in the 90s, I'd actually been directly involved, not personally doing things, but older engineers were doing things completely against the rules.And it was common practice, you know, in biomedical manufacture.And I'm sure that never changed. So I had all this experience in the corporate corruption.I had all the experience in my own corporate roles in the last 15 years, again, in the corporate politics and corruption.And I had all the medical and biomedical knowledge now and metabolic.So when COVID hit, I was on stage in Denver, big room and giving a talk and then I came down and Trump was shutting down the country and I said what the hell is going on?And my wife had said previously, she had said should we get masks?Now she's a first class honours engineer and she's aware of a lot of my work but she assumed COVID was a big deal and I just smiled and this was early March I think and I said not at all sure.I saw the Diamond Princess data and you could see from who died and who didn't that it was going to be a bad flu equivalent.I mean, there's no question about that. The ship had shared AC.They were crammed together. They got 25% positivity.It was an extreme maximiser of infection. So you see the end result.And a few people in their late 70s and late 80s passed away.That was it. So we knew. But when they shut the airports, I said okay they're gonna pull a swine flu and they're gonna pull a big swine flu, a scam. And got back to Ireland and after that I just started interviewing immunologists, virologists, epidemiologist because when I will call something constantly I check with my massive network and my massive network of specialist in all the medical fields grew rapidly because a lot of people out there who are seeing that this is crazy.And so within a few months, I knew not only everything you needed to know about COVID, the mortality impact, the lockdown ineffectiveness, mask ineffectiveness, seasonality, I cracked the whole lot with the help of my network.And I began to explain it in layperson's terms. And that's when I began to get smashed, put in the newspapers, and censored.Even though I didn't talk any anti-vax, any crazy stuff, everything I said was referenced to government data. I was very careful.But in September, my viral video shot up to millions of views, half an hour, just me with slides, just explaining all the factors in COVID, just what it was.And the New York Times did a half-page article on me. It's like, whoa, a half-page hit piece on an Irish engineer.But at that stage, I knew that this was a total orchestrated scam. There was no question.So it didn't actually surprise me that the New York Times devoted half a page to an Irish engineer because the system and the media particularly were owned.And my video had corporate CEOs.They actually said it in the article.A leader in the COVID scam in the US, I forget his name, said, I have people from major companies, CEOs, coming to me asking, is this Irish guy right?So it shocked them. Just truth. Just truth. That's all it was.Well I think we learned people are hungry for information and that information is becoming, can be more difficult to access.But I want to go, I mean, I'd love to pick you up on that, on the. Fascinating.I know your book, Eat Rich Live Long, is available.Links are in the description and people can get a hold of that.And that health is a hot topic, but I want to talk to you about Ireland and the restrictions on speech.I mean Ireland has had incitement to hatred, hate speech laws for I think it was 89 or 90 was introduced, the UK has had it across Europe, but what is happening in Ireland at the moment with this new piece of legislation has really woken a lot of people up.I mean I saw an article in Newsweek magazine a couple of days ago and they were saying this cannot go ahead, this is Orwellian hate speech.Do you want to just let us know what exactly has been proposed in Ireland?Yeah, well, for sure, you're absolutely right, Peter, to refer to the 1989 Hate Speech Act, because that was actually very good legislation.It is still 100% perfect legislation for what they claim may be a problem, because it is quite powerful.It's been used, I believe, 50 times plus.And if you go out and make hate speech that could cause injury or cause hatred towards people or minorities, yada, yada, yada, they can go after you. No problem.So the law is there. It's perfectly functional. Needs no upgrade.What they brought out, it seems to be, I don't know, a Soros, an NGO coming down from the UN, maybe using Ireland as a test case for the most extreme madness that they're willing to try out in the test bed of Ireland.But what's in it is just lunatic. Now, people listening, they know it's terrible and it's great to hear Newsweek featured it. And it is, of course, Orwellian.But the extent to which it's insane, I can't even believe the bad guys want this or wrote this.So essentially, there's layers of madness. One is that they don't define hate speech really at all.And Michael McDowell, the former Attorney General in Ireland, was fantastic in the Irish Parliament questioning the Justice Minister on this point, it's not defined.And he said, I've heard the reason discussed for not defining hate speech was it could make it more difficult to convict people.And he said, that's the point.It should be difficult to convict in these kinds of matters, so it should be defined, so you get the right guy.So that's one point, It's not defined. There's around 10 groups, arbitrary, that they've listed out, like traveling people, and trans, and sexual, and gender, all this nonsense, none of whom has a problem anymore with hate speech.There is no far right in Ireland worth a toss.None of these groups have any real issue, right? So that's the other layer, not defining.And the other thing is that they've put in that a single guard, based on someone whispering in his ear, can get a local, very low-level court warrant and come into your house and take everything, anything and everything. It's like, wow.It can be diaries, it can be phones, it can be computers. They could take them for weeks, I would guess.And if you don't give a PIN number, that's also listed as an offence.If you say, I don't know the PIN for that, it's an old phone, that's an offence with six months in prison potentially and a big fine.That's another insanity.And when they take it, if they find anything under the undefined hate speech kind of thing, right, they can say, well, okay, that's private.You wrote this down. You could write a diary and you could say, oh, I hate this group and I don't like that group and I think they should be thrown out. Whatever you want, which you're entitled to.Of course, you're entitled to write that stuff. I wouldn't agree with it, but if you believe that, go ahead. Keep it to yourself.It is up to you to prove to a judge that you would never in the future have shared that.So it's guilty until proven innocent has been put in this.It is thought crime. It is 1984. It is minority report.Remember the movie with Tom Cruise? They see that you will commit a crime in the future using futuristic technology and they come and arrest you.It's like that but much worse because your private writings, memes, God knows what's on your computer from stuff you've downloaded or had sent to you.You have to prove you would not in the future share that.I mean, it is just beyond notes, hopefully, you know, well, you know already.It's just insane. I keep using the word insane for this because I'm blown away, even me after three years of COVID.People need to understand that. It is insane. There's no other word.
Has this come in, I mean, the UK have obviously got the online safety bill.That's another issue. And then the EU passed a bill, proposed a bill, which now passed just days later.But this, you're right, it's difficult to understand when legislation exists to tackle a so-called crime or injustice.And that's already there and everyone says that can be used and there's no issue with it being used.And then something else is brought in place, supposedly to correct a problem that isn't addressed and yet it is.And it is this confusion, I guess, and of course, we don't have the media reporting this or asking why.It's simply, well, are you for hate?I'm not for hate, therefore you want this bill.I mean, talk to us about the pushback on this and has it been scrutinized at all?Yeah, there's no scrutiny at all.I mean, basically, we know now, and it's not even controversial, I think, recently a TD or an MEP, an Irish MEP was asked, oh, what do you think of coming back to Ireland, back to Irish politics and the Dáil?And he said, well, no, and he casually let a cat out of the bag.And he said in the interview on record, he said people don't realize that over 70% of legislation comes from Europe, down to Ireland. So he said, to be honest, I'm better off over here, because that's where the control is. He didn't say control, but he said the first piece.And that's it. So essentially, I would say this is the simple way to view it now.Over the last couple of decades, increasingly, and now it's largely complete, when people go into politics, first of all, people got to remember the skill that brings you into politics is the opposite of technical, mathematical, logical.You go in there with so-called people skills. You know the type, right? So they go in there and they're kind of useless technically.Anyone can fool them, even though they're cunning. Anyone can fool them technically.And with legal matters, will fool them. So the people that go into politics now, especially in Ireland, we're like a vassal state of EU, UN, WEF.You know, we're really bad. That's why we had the longest lockdown in Europe.So they go in anyway and they quickly find out, political people find out where the power is. Like a lady said years ago about Washington, when you go into the Senate in Washington, an old guy said to her, you got to lean to the green.And he didn't mean environmentalism, he meant the dollar, you got to lean to the big guys, the money, the lobbyists, if you want to be successful.So in Ireland, they go in, they quickly find out it's all about the EU and keeping the big boys happy, and the UN and the WEF.And if you get invited to Davos, oh my God, that's the pinnacle of Irish political success.So you get the idea. So when it came to the Dáil, this legislation, they all just said, oh yeah, yeah, great. Oh, hate, love.Oh, we're all lovey-dovey. Oh, trans, you know, Ukraine, all this stuff.So all the politicians just signed it off.Didn't even read it. If they read page 10 and 11 and they had a brain, they'd say, oh my god, but they didn't.You know they didn't read it. They were all told it's great and they all signed it.And then when it was coming up to the Senate and then it would go to the President, then people began to get wind of it and began to talk about it.And then it became a problem. And then Elon Musk began to talk about it and said, what the hell's going on in Ireland?And then they started and saying, oh, he's right wing, he's an anti-Semite.There are politicians judging Elon Musk.It's like an ant judging God.It's just crazy.So also, I think it was someone connected to Trump, not Trump himself, made comments on how crazy it was. And then he did a big article, oh, Trump.Trump doesn't want it, because they know people think Trump's bad.It was propaganda to the power of 10, because they wanted it true and the media wanted it true. You know, the media all wanted it true.So luckily the Senate actually, it didn't go past and it got delayed.You know, that's all they could do. They delayed it. And then shockingly based on the stabbings of some poor children, actually migrant children, I believe.They used the anger in the public from the gross, excessive, uncontrolled migration in the last year or two. There's anger.75% of Irish people or more in a Red Sea official poll said immigration has gone way too far, uncontrolled.It needs to be pulled back in control.So the majority in the country believes that.But the anger that's there in the country, smaller percentage of people are very angry. and a bunch of hoodlums caused a riot. They smashed windows, burned buses.They didn't beat anyone up and they didn't go after any migrants.They did a smash and grab spree on the back of public sentiment.And with the children being stabbed, it was an opportunity, it's happened before.Nothing to do with far right, nothing to do with political ideology.It was opportunistic from a bunch of hoodlums in hoodies.And the video showed that. and the government actually used that problem that they caused, right?They then tried to flip truth upside down and use the problem to ram the insane law through.You couldn't make it up unless you knew how loathsome, low-life's our politicians are and how utterly controlled they are from the NGOs and all the other groups up top. It is just shocking, right?
Well, I want to go down the Irish politics side, but you need a catalyst in the UK, the catalyst for the online safety bill was the stabbing and murder of David Amess MP and that immediately everyone came out and said we need this online safety bill.Even with that individual was possibly radicalised in his local mosque but that's a conversation you weren't allowed to have so we'll just focus on.We've seen the issue there in Ireland and the government have not wasted the opportunity to jump on that. I was even looking at that and thinking, is this contrived?I mean, governments need a catalyst to push forward. And if something happens, they can point and say, look, we told you so.This is why it's needed. And everyone comes together.I mean, what were your thoughts on how that happened? And has that been the main catalyst or have other things happened to push it forward?
Yeah, there was talk of, you know, there's always talk of kind of false flag and don't get me wrong, there's a ton of false flag and there's a ton of Hegelian kind of mechanisms that have been used since all of human history, problem, reaction, solution.You create a problem, essentially, you then use propaganda to get a big reaction to it.And then you come in with your pre ordained solution and everyone goes, yeah, we'll take it. So COVID's a classic example of that.A lab created gain-of-function virus.It comes out. They see that it's got a little bit of pathology to it or pathological effect. It's going to kill older people mainly.And they big it up. And then they say they have a solution, the vaccine.So there's a lot of that. This one here, I really think, because I'm a logic and data guy and I go on probabilities. That's the centre of my universe.The overwhelming probability, I would say, that guy has not worked, I believe, in 20 years since he came here, the person who did the stabbing, and probably has all kinds of issues.And I think they've even referred in some articles to some of that indirectly.They don't want to identify him.I think that was just a happening. And we saw it earlier, a girl was stabbed by, again, a migrant who had issues.And even locally in my area, a similar thing occurred a few years ago, a very tragic case with a family.So these things happen, you know, when migrants come to places, sometimes they're under pressure, they don't have the language, they develop issues.So I think that just did kind of happen.But the exploiting of it, well, like I said, is just criminal.And the reason it blew up, if that was a very rare occurrence and it just happened, and it wasn't after a year or two of increasing public discomfort, like the poll said, they know that the towns around Ireland, little towns, are getting stuffed with migrants.And they can see they're young males mainly.They're not women and children from Ukraine, come on. I mean, down in South East Wexford, there was a nursing home being built for a community of 1,200.And a couple of weeks ago, it transpired that suddenly it's not being built.It's being built in a different direction for 170 young male migrants, young male migrants, unmarried.And they're looking at bringing it up to 400 over time. Now, a thousand people marched and of course the media all sniffed and sneered at them like they're far right.It's their community. It's insane.I mean, the numbers that came in in the last six or 12 months is like 100k and the graph of the numbers coming in went through the roof.And O'Gorman, I think the minister last year, he did this, it's on the record, sent out a tweet, not in Ukrainian.In Ukrainian, Georgian, and African languages.And he basically said, Ireland's open. You'll have a house within four months.We get you a phone. We get you loads of money. Whatever. I don't know what was in it.But it was translated into all African languages and everything. So he's on the record.They want to flood the zone. And the reasons for that go back to the Pan-European Union in the 30s and speeches in 2009, I think, by, who was that CEO of Goldman Sachs who became a big UN guy, not Robinson, forget his name, an Irish guy originally.He gave a huge speech and he said it outright.We have to destroy nationalism. We have to destroy sovereignty in the EU countries.We have to break it down. And the mechanism, the best mechanism for that, besides pouring US junk television in, right?And phones, you know, the best thing is flood in very different people, ideally young males, and blend the country into a blob so we can get a big blob in Europe without any national identities.So they're actually destroying diversity because we had all these countries that you could freely travel to and see their culture. and then you come back home and you talk about it, that's actually diversity.They're all peaceful, all lovely, but they want to end diversity.They just want to make a blob because a blob can easily be translated into a super state or a China-style society.Very hard to do it when you've got identifiable nationalities in Europe.It's so simple, isn't it? This is a hundred-year-old brainstorm strategy that's clearly being deployed recently.Big scale. That's it, no racism. In fact, last thing I'll say, sorry I'm on a rant here, it's morning time, but Peter, the last thing I'd say, and this is so important for people to know and understand, The people who are using minorities from other countries as cattle, literally using them as pawns in their chess game to get their globalist Europe and globalist West, they are the ultimate racists because they have absolute scorn and contempt for poor people from all over the world that they're forcing into countries and creating difficult situations where there may be, you know, certain amounts of racism stoked and provoked, you know, like a hornet's nest, keep shoving in people, they don't have accommodation, our homeless can't get accommodation, they've ignored them for decades, and now they're shoving in hundreds of thousands with, we already have an accommodation problem, what's going to happen?But the people driving this, they are the racists.I am the opposite of racist, my record is clear, they'd love to call me one, but they can't because I have a full record on social media and forever.Absolutely the opposite. In fact, I've often shared anti-racial movies and films on my Twitter, like Kenneth Branagh, 2001 conspiracy, it's called, about Wannsee in Germany in 1942 or three.I'm clearly an anti-racist. They hate that.But that said, I know racists when I see them and the people driving the policy are racists.
And of course there's nothing you can say or push back if you're called names which is this legislation about offending and finding offense and if someone has been offended you cannot prove that in a court that, you cannot prove your feelings in court and of course when someone calls you whatever, racist, xenophobe, Islamophobe, the list goes on, you can argue and you can push back but it's already been decided by whatever individual has said.They have decided and therefore you are because they have spoken.And that declaration of speech, you know, truth goes out the window.It's the issue on pronouns. If someone wants to use a pronoun then they define that person who is a man, is a woman and that must be true.And that kind of removal of truth, not only in this legislation but I guess across Europe for all the hate speech which is simply if someone finds offense then it is decided that a crime has been committed.It's beyond absurdity but also it's very malign and clever.So the people I refer to are driving this as a geopolitical crucial strategy this is not small stuff, that's why it's getting so much funding and backing. it's very important for broader globalist.Kind of government desires and to make ultimately, we won't get into detail, the intention is to translate the UN into the world government or for the West.The UN is being built and built and built and we can see the insanity coming from Guterres, the head of the UN.We're now global boiling. We're no longer warming, all nonsense.The UN is being teed up.So there's a lot put into this thing and hate speech because it is important because free speech increasingly could cause a real problem for basically plans that have been grown beautifully for 70 or 80 years since post-World War II.So, you know, too big to fail.They can't let all of the plans of geopolitical, you know, structure and infrastructure that have been built for a half century, they can't let it fail because people all start becoming aware of it and talking about it, that's why there's this extreme kind of insane zeal to get in the laws, because they're important, and people need to realize that.And you say you can call. Yeah, once you call someone a racist, the judge is going to roll over.That's the sick thing. We saw in COVID, several people brought very good cases, and they assigned a lower-level judge to check if the cases were appropriate to bring forward in the system.I didn't realize they could do this. They did.So there were mask challenges and other challenges.This judge, she went in and looked at everyone. No, I don't think that's, no, that's not required.One judge threw them all out before they even got in the system.So you know what will happen. If the government don't like someone, they'll try to nail them on this law, and the judge will be in the pocket.The judges now are no longer really independent. We saw that in COVID.They know where the wind's blowing, and they do their job. A lot of them are appointed.So that's institutional corruption gone crazy. And another one I just thought when you were talking, Peter, there was a communist activist, a very significant person.I can't remember his name, but back in America before the McCarthy era, when America was big, there were a lot of activists who wanted America to go communisto or fascististo.And one of them was caught with, not emails at that time, but circulars to all their activists.And he said to them, and he was right, very clever. he said always call our detractors, our opponents, always call them a fascist.Now he said be careful, don't call someone a fascist if it can blow back on you.In other words, don't always do it, but whenever you can, call them a fascist.And he said if we keep repeating this on an individual, after a while the people will largely just come to believe it's true.And he said, it's the most dirty word and the dirty label you can put in someone right now.So use it. And you can see now that that advice was excellent, but it turned out it all failed in America until recently.Now they've got Biden and all the rest. They're getting, they're getting to communism.But yeah, exactly that. They know that racism is powerful. if you can make it even stick a bit and get your media to keep repeating it, people will assume, well that's the racist guy.I mean, it's shocking, it's criminal, but this is the game they play.
Yeah, you talked about the 70 year.I mean, I'm still blown away having grown up in Dublin, Limerick, first like nine years of my life.It was rough, but actually it was conservative as a country.You had Fianna Gael, Fianna Fáil, polar opposites in theory.Now they're all together, the union party.Has this been sped up simply with the bailout after the financial crash, with Europe then calling the shots?Because if you look at Italy and Greece, they've kind of held on to their identity.And Ireland has always been known for a strong identity. That seems to have gone out the window.Obviously, COVID has sped things up, and that's part of it. But is it the crash? Is it that Ireland is now beholden to Europe because of that or talk to us about that because the collapse in Irish society has been unbelievable.
Yeah, I think it's not so much the bailout more as the symptom of the problem.I mean the fact that Ireland kowtowed and the EU, the EU flooded the zone with money.They told Ireland flood the zone and the little Irish went off and they flooded the zone for the EU overlords and it suited them because there's money everywhere and everyone was happy.And then the piper came to be paid, and they went with cap in hand, and they gave away all our money to the bondholders.So I think Ireland back then was just a biatch, really.It wasn't that they got them then, they'd already got them.So I think it's been many decades, Ireland, maybe partially because of the history of the British rule, the Irish became culturally doff the cap to the big man.They might grumble, but they doff the cap. So Ireland, over the last 30 or 40 years, we saw it with all the referendums.They were rammed through or run several times to get through.The Irish intelligentsia, politicos, Europe was the big boy.And they dropped to their knees for Europe all the way.And then they took in the corporations, did the double dutch, the tax thing. They're allowing them to get away with 1% effective tax rate.So they played the kind of beggar to the American corporations.And I think over 50% of our GDP now is biotech and pharma.So we're just kind of biatches for the pharma sector. So you can see Ireland has made itself into a kind of a rent boy on the global market.Let's be honest. It's sad, but that's the way it is.But people are waking up to that and begin to realize, my God, our whole echelon of politicians are actually, by definition, essentially traitors.Because we're voting for them and they're immediately giving their allegiance straight up the chain to forces outside the country. So they're actually technically traitors.So I think that's kind of what happened to Ireland and it showed in the longest lockdown in Europe, it shows in the hate speech laws, a test bed for this craziness.It shows in every interview when you see these goons we have up the top.It's just disgusting, like, right?And was that the total question about why Ireland?Did I miss something there? 
No, it's just, I find it curious, having grown up there, first nine, ten years of my life, and just seeing that collapse, and you kind of think, that's not the Ireland that I knew growing up, and then you realise it's not.It's changed beyond all recognition, with no media pushback, no political pushback, And then if you don't have Fine Gael or Fianna fail, you've got Sinn Féin, you're thinking, hmm, could this thing get worse?
Okay, I'll tell you something about Sinn Féin. I mean, Sinn Féin during COVID, the government did the most insane, crazy-ass, unscientific, damaging, nonsensical measures, the worst in Europe almost.And Sinn Féin were screaming at them to do more. I mean, I'm not joking.They were literally screaming at the government, saying, you're not keeping us safe.And it was the same in all the issues. So Sinn Féin are an unmitigated disaster.They're the opposite of opposition.So they play this pantomime. And I think there's a hashtag, politics is panto.And it's so true nowadays.It's a fricking pantomime. And Sinn Féin go up and argue with the government, and the government argue back with Sinn Féin. It's all a joke. It's all a club.At the end of the day, they are all aligned with each other, really, at the Dáil bar and behind the scenes.And the reason that they're all aligned, this is the important thing, I've said it already, they all understand there's big power structures in the world, and we kow tow to them.Therefore, there's no point arguing amongst each other except as a pantomime for our voters.That's it. I mean, it sounds kind of conspiracy theory. It's basic geopolitics.Now that we have a world structure of World Economic Forum, UN, EU, and I mean, recently Professor Werner, who invented quantitative easing in 95, I interviewed him.He's an expert in central banking and all the political. He worked for the Japanese government during their financial challenges as a direct advisor, chief advisor.Learned Japanese, fluent German, fluent English, master's, PhDs from Oxford.Brilliant man. But he told me something that I actually didn't realize.He said, you know the European Parliament has no real power. It's a talk shop.The European Commission decides the laws, the Commission. And the Commission are essentially not elected.And he said, you know what other region in the last 100 years had that exact structure, and they've almost taken it from them?Soviet Union. They have a parliament, people aren't too aware, and they have a Politburo, a commission, and it's the same structure.The parliament, you let them all talk and pretend that they've got some control, but the party decides.He said, essentially, and he said, one or two or a couple of Russian historians, have noted this in the early 2000s, academically, that fascinatingly, Europe is recreating the Soviet model.And people don't know that. And of course, under that model, the EU Commission, who are diplomatic immunity, no army or police can enter their grounds under any condition, a bit like central banks, they decide, the parliament then, And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, everyone, blah, blah, gets very high salaries, tax-free.All the people from the countries go over there and suck on the teat of Europe.They have a great time, meals for everyone, best of steaks. And they go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.And that's that. And then the countries, of course, they just doff the cap increasingly.You look at Hungary, they say, we don't want to do this.And if you go against Europe, they take the whole European media, and they feckin' bury you.They bury you in accusations of far-right, nationalistic.They take away all the EU money. They cause you pain.So this is what we have. We have a new Soviet structure that wants to become a Chinese social credit-style full totalitarian structure.It's just what it wants. The organism of the geopolitical top strata in Europe, they want the full power.It's just natural, it's in the DNA now of the whole structure, it's not any one individual or one bad guy.Yeah, it's driven primarily from the late 50s by Rockefeller Brothers Fund and all the other bad guys and NGOs and CFR and all these groups and the Club of Rome, they're all pushing one way and that's it, it's simple guys, it's not a big conspiracy theory, it's just geopolitics has gone the wrong way for us.And a lot of bad guys have ended at the top.That's all. Happened in Rome.Jesus! 
Yeah, and you see pushback across Europe with the rise of populist parties.Ireland and the UK sadly are sitting on their backsides with now, but that's a whole lot.I just want to just finish off on where you think this, the bill will go.It's been, what my understanding was, been in the Senate since maybe July, so and it was passed up.It's been sitting there now with more scrutiny.Where does it go? Because the police obviously will have to be sent out to police all these tweets which I thought they could do under the legislation but this is darker.Is there a way of turning it around so we just accuse everyone on the left of hurtful comments and the police must investigate?I mean is there requirement for an investigation. I'm just thinking of how you push back because this is going to pass through. I can't see any way it stopped.Yeah, I'm not entirely sure, Peter.Yes, they say we need a true by Christmas and all this talk, but they're not divulging what's actually happening.So I'm not sure what's actually happening on the ground mind you a very senior politician secretly met with me and a team of doctors, surgeons and businessmen back in September 2020.Very senior I obviously won't name in private and pretty much told us that most the politicians knew most of what I was sharing about COVID but he said, no everyone knows you don't talk about it and you support the narrative. So there's that level of institutional corruption, and I'm sure now there's similar stuff going on.A lot of the senators will have found out from their bloody daughters from social media how insane this is, but they'll know, shit, this is important.It comes from the big boys up top. We can't let them down.So I don't know exactly what's going on. I'm still hoping absolutely that with the focus on it, that they'll have to hold back their nonsense about these riots being a reason to bring in this insane law.I presume they're thinking, hmm, that's not washing.So I hope it's not inevitable. If it does happen, we got a massive problem.There's no question about that, because once it's in, it is a tool for tyranny waiting there like a nuclear weapon. sitting there on the statute of books with no place there, a criminal law, criminal in its very drafting.Criminal in its drafting, that's how bad it is. It's bad, but I guess, yeah, possibly be able to use it against itself.But you know, the judiciary and all of these bent politicians will be striving to throw out any cases involving it for leftists or nut jobs.And they'll be hyper trying to influence judges and police to use it on the people the government doesn't like.God, it's very sinister, isn't it? It's literally a tool of government to suppress people who don't agree with the government, which is treason in my mind.I mean, it might not be the exact definition. I don't care. It's treason.
Well, we're all following this closely and praying and hoping that actually it is stopped.Ivor, great to have you on. Obviously, people can find you @FatEmperor on Twitter and thefatemperor.com.They can see all the videos, interviews up there on the website.Really appreciate your time today. Thanks so much for joining us.Thanks so much, Peter. And if people are wondering, I'm down south in an undisclosed location, but that's me fox there.I picked it up. It's from an old country estate in Wexford that was stripped.Guy had it for 10 years, got it for 200 euro.Beautiful case, probably 100 years old plus.So anyway, bit of trivia. 
That's probably a hate crime against foxes.But anyway, we'll leave it there. Thanks, Ivor.
Good luck, Peter. Bye now.

The Week According To . . . Elizabeth Barker

We roll out the red carpet for a new guest tonight and we know you will love her!Elizabeth is a free thinking, freedom loving Californian girl living here in the UK.A rebel for humanity and allergic to corruption, we look forward to Elizabeth's thoughts on the topics tonight including...- Father Christmas got his flu and COVID-19 vaccines.- White men recruited for jobs at insurance company Aviva have to be vetted first by the firm's first female chief executive.- Boston Mayor Michelle Wu proudly shares photo from her no whites holiday party.- Sharia for UK: Radical Islamists chant on the streets of England.- BladeRunners: The winds of change are blowing strong! ULEZ poles tumble in the wake of rebellion.- Whitewash: How the Covid Inquiry is spending £750K a day on barristers and solicitors.- Hundreds more middle-aged adults dying since Covid 'pandemic'.- Jug eared leftie Gary Lineker ignites yet another impartiality row.- Tory deputy chair Rachel Maclean accused of transphobic remarks after calling out a man in a wig.
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Originally broadcast live 16.12.23
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Tera Dahl - Eyewitness: The War in Israel

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Tera Dahl has just returned from 3 weeks in Israel where she was reporting for Real America's Voice and Bannon's WarRoom. Tera returns to Hearts of Oak to share her time travelling throughout the country. She spent time with soldiers from the IDF, with civilians who are regularly having to use their shelters for protection and with those living in Gaza. Tera has seen the war up close and her experiences are fresh and raw.
Tera Dahl served as Senior Advisor in the Conflict, Prevention and Stabilization Bureau (CPS) at USAID as a political appointee during the Trump Administration. She also served as Deputy Chief of Staff at the National Security Council (NSC) working in the White House under the Trump Administration. She has advised members of congress, staff, and policymakers on complex national security and foreign policy issues. She served as a national security senior advisor to Congresswoman and former Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann. She has travelled extensively overseas to areas of conflict and war, raising awareness and reporting from an on-the-ground and frontline perspective, giving a voice to the voiceless. She has helped produce several documentaries going into dangerous situations to uncover the truth and shine a light on darkness. She has spent time camping out on the frontlines embedded with the Peshmerga forces in Northern Iraq during the war against ISIS, on the frontlines with the IDF on the Gaza border, backpacking through the jungles of Burma with fleeing and persecuted Burmese ethnics, and has embedded with U.S. Marines in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. She has travelled to Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria and throughout the Middle East providing humanitarian and medical assistance. She volunteered with the American Red Cross to serve and support U.S. troops overseas during the Global War on Terrorism.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Tera Dahl, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thanks so much for joining us today.
(Tera Dahl)
Thank you, Peter, for having me. 
Always good to have you.Of course, people can catch you on somewhere where I never delve, which is Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/tera_dahl/That I think is the best place to find you, Tera.
Yes, it is. Yeah. 
Apart from on War Room regularly and Real America's Voice.
Real America's Voice. 
Obviously, all of that.And I know that many of the viewers will have seen your couple of weeks actually long postings from Israel and I'm really delighted that you made the time today to come on and to share some of those experiences because I think you talked to a lot of commentators, military experts, politicians, but actually to talk to someone who's been there on the ground is fairly rare, I think.So, I'm looking forward to finding out, but to tell us how do you get there?I guess you don't just get a, there are lots of flights cancelled.So I guess it's not just a case of going and booking a ticket with any regular airline, is it?
You can get there. I went to Greece and then from Athens, then I flew into Israel, but the airlines are limited now.
Definitely the US airlines are limited, they do not fly out of Israel. There's options to flyThere's a lot of flights still that are coming in and out, but the airport in Tel Aviv was very quiet, but there was more, I think more people and more flights than I anticipated.
Okay, what was the conversation?Cause you're, you're no stranger to going to, to war zones. when I was last over after my WarRoom slot, Steve was regaling me with stories of him talking to you in far flung places.So I guess most people would think, oh, it sounds a bit iffy, but for you, it's part of the job, I guess.Yeah, I was in Israel. I have been.I was in Israel in 2014 to cover the Gaza conflict, the war between Israel and Hamas in 2014 for Breitbart News.And that's when I really saw like I had been traveling around the Middle East during the Arab Spring.I had been to Afghanistan and Iraq, really, you know, on the ground with the war on terrorism, but especially especially during the Arab Spring prior to going to Israel in 2014.And really, I just kind of fell into that because I was on the ground in Egypt during the counter revolution when you had the 30 million Egyptians go to the street to call for Mohammed Morsi's ouster, the Muslim Brotherhood's ouster in Egypt.And I saw the way that the media was portraying that situation and how the media was impacting our policy. And I saw that it was impacting the Pentagon.It was impacting Congress because that's how they viewed it.That was their lens on the situation.And so that's how I started to really understand the need for accurate reporting on the ground.Because unless you're on the ground and you really understand the dynamics, you just read what the headlines are.And then you follow the headlines and then you base your decisions upon the headlines.So when you look at Israel, you look at the headlines, you look at the mainstream media. And it always has been going back to 2014 and going back to the Arab Spring and just the coverage from the mainstream media has been pro-Islamist.And that's what I noticed. I noticed that back in 2012, 2013, they were very much pro-Muslim brotherhood.And so when you look at Israel, you look at the war with Hamas, obviously Hamas is the military arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.That is the mainstream media and the angle of it has been very pro-Hamas and anti-Israel, restraining Israel.And so it was so important when I was there in 2014 because I saw that how the mainstream media and a lot of times they report from Gaza.So you have the mainstream media reporters that are actually in Gaza.Well, if you're reporting from Gaza and you're surrounded by Hamas, you're not going to be very pro-Israel.It's going to impact your reporting because you're afraid for your life for one thing.But you also have, it's just the angle of the mainstream media.And so going on the ground for this war, I knew because I had already covered the Middle East conflicts in the war that it's so important to get that perspective, because of you can't just follow the headlines and you're seeing how tainted it is for an example at the hospitals. You know how Hamas uses hospitals and then when Israel hits back at the hospital. Then it's Israel's fault and they get charged with war crimes. Well, actually Hamas uses hospitals and schools for their military headquarters and they launched their rocket attacks from the hospitals, from the schools, and they used the children.And so, Peter, when I went there, I knew it's so important to be able to get on the ground and to be able to write accurately of what's happening.And that's exactly what I saw.And that definitely was worthwhile because it changes your perspective.Can I just ask you, just before getting on to what it was like there, I'm sure the viewers would be curious in how you prep for that, because you're not going into a normal environment.It's not just a tourist or a journalist going to report on an event.It's into a very dangerous situation.How do you prepare? Was it that you had contacts before? Is it Real America's voice making those contacts?Because obviously you don't want to land on the ground and then begin to spend your time building up those contacts and knowing who to speak to.So how do you kind of go about preparing for that?I think with any time that I've travelled overseas in the Middle East, you know contacts, you reach out to them, you reach out to your mutual friends that have contacts in Israel, and then you just kind of start with who you know, and then you build off of that. And that's exactly what, too, on this trip.You have your contacts that I've had through my friends here, and then you let people know that you're coming over, I've been there before, and then you just build on that.And when you're on the ground, it just opens up opportunities because you just build your contacts, your networking on the ground.And one of the important parts of that was going up into the north.I was able to go up into the northern part of Israel with the Christian community.So I wasn't only, I was able to see, spend time with the Arab Muslims that are joining the IDF. I spoke with them.I spoke with the Christian community that also served in the IDF.And of course, the majority of the Jewish community, but I was able to get all those different perspectives.So when we talk about building those contacts, it's important that you meet with all sides.And I've always done that. Like when I went to Syria, as well, I met with the opposition first, who were trying to overthrow Assad, and then I went into Damascus and saw the other side.So that's kind of just how I've always done it is and I depend on the locals, I mean, for someone, I guess, as a woman, going by myself.I definitely, you know, you just have to have your faith in God, and then you just trust people, and you just build contacts and you just build relationships.
And what were you kind of expecting when you went out?Because this current situation is simply because Israel have not dealt with the problem previously.And this time Netanyahu I think feels and probably has to actually deal with Hamas living on their border.But what were you kind of expecting when you went over?Because I guess every war situation is different.The relationships with the countries around, the population.The sleeper cells they have, there are so many moving parts to the situation.And what kind of were you expecting before you headed out?I think I knew what to anticipate because I had been there to cover it previously, so I knew what to expect.But as far as when we talk about preparing for this, like going into Israel, you would think there's so many people that were traveling there.I think one of the highest tourism times before everything got cancelled, it was just they were packed with tours.And one thing that is always, since I went there before a couple times, and then now this trip, is that Israel is constantly living under siege.So as, you know, like for me going to visit during a war time, this is the normal for them, Peter. This is how they live.They live under siege. They live every single house, every building, since you land in the airport, has a shelter.No matter where you are, every single place you're at, whether it's a restaurant, whether it's a home, if it's a school, if it's a playground, they all have shelters.And just think about how abnormal that is, is that they get hit.Since Hamas launched the attack on October 7th, they've been hit with 10,000 rockets from Hamas. 10,000 rockets.But it is the normal life for them. And the Iron Dome intercepts the majority of them.But when the Iron Dome does not intercept them, the shrapnel kills people.If that rocket hits, that can take out like a huge, that could kill so many people, those rockets, and they take, you know, you take it for granted because of the Iron Dome.But there's multiple times, even like when I was there for my limited time, that if it wasn't for the Iron Dome, you know, you would have probably, you would have been hit by that, you would have been impacted by the shrapnel.But it's that's not normal. So what they consider normal is not normal.So they constantly so like for me to say, you go over there and it looks like, wow, you're going into a war zone. That's how they live.You know, that's how they live every day of their lives.Their children have to play in playgrounds that are actually shelters because they want the kids to make it, you know, they don't want kids to feel like they're constantly under war and to live in fear.So what they do is they build their playgrounds as shelters.So when the kids are playing in the tunnels, it's actually a shelter for the kids.And so they only have a few seconds when they hear those sirens go off to be able to go into their shelters But that's normal for them So that's something that like it never surprises me just to see how they live their normal their daily lives going to school. Going to their synagogues. Just living their lives going to work and but yet they're constantly under rocket attack, constantly.And even the day after that I left, there was a terrorist attack right in Jerusalem.And that's just, that's how they live.
Well, in Israel, there are different parts of the society which engage in this situation differently. You have the military.Maybe you want to just give us some of your thoughts or experiences you were talking to the military, because they are actually on the front line.They're the ones that are trying to remove this, which has been a continual threat against Israel, Hamas.And I saw some of the interviews you had with different individuals in the military.Tell us about those conversations with the military.Well, I think the military is they're very much focused and they're determined and they're resolute on eliminating Hamas. And they're not only on eliminating Hamas, but also Hezbollah.You have to keep in mind too that Hezbollah there's 60 000 Israeli citizens that were evacuated out of the north and another 70 000 that were evacuated out of the south and they're all living in the hotels right now. So you have tens of thousands over, almost 200,000 Israeli citizens that are evacuated right now because of the threat from Hamas and because of the threat from Hezbollah.And so, but their perspective, what they were saying is that they're first focusing on Hamas and they're going to eliminate Hamas because just like in 2014, when they were resolute on eliminating Hamas, and then because of the international pressure, a lot because of the Obama administration.They pulled back and they stopped.Well, look what's happened now, look at what has happened because they didn't finish Hamas back in 2014 or 2021 again and then look at how they use that ceasefire from 2021 basically Hamas was in a ceasefire since 2021 and instead of honouring that ceasefire they used it to rebuild rearm and and plan October 7 and so that's what happens when they say a ceasefire They're rebuilding and rearming and then that's what happened. So you have no option.The military has no option. Israel has no option but to eliminate Hamas and they also have the threat from Hezbollah. So we just to keep in mind to that Hezbollah had, so Hamas used Hezbollah's plan that they have had for over 10 years to invade northern Israel and take hundreds of Israelis hostage, which would put pressure then on the Western countries. That was their plan.And they did drills. They did, planned, like they did the planned training.Previously, back in May 2023, there's video of Hezbollah doing these mock trainings, where it was the same attack that Hamas did on October 7th.And so Hezbollah is a greater threat than Hamas. But the threat right now, the immediate threat, from what my understanding is, is Hamas.They have to eliminate Hamas first, but they will have to deal with Hezbollah.And they'll have to go back to the UN 1701, where Hezbollah is north of Israel.So they're not on the Israeli border and it has to be enforced by the UN but they're gonna have to deal with the threat from Hezbollah because they have the same plan and those, Thousands of Israelis will not move back home until the threat from Hezbollah is completely eliminated as well. So they are getting attacked on all fronts and not to mention the attacks that are coming from the West Bank as well. And that's what I've heard too is that you know, people are asking why how did they miss it the intelligence failure?And it was the biggest intelligence failure. They're saying since 1973. Well, they were focused so much on the West Bank.They were focused so much on the threat from Hezbollah.And they were also allowing thousands and thousands of the Gazan civilians to come in every single day on work visas.And those Gazans that were coming in on work visas turned against Israel.And a lot of them were the ones that were mapping out the exact locations for Hamas's attack on October 7th.So that's what I learned talking to people.Probably one of the most things that I took away was that they realized how wrong they were for this two-state solution, and living in peace side by side because they totally use what they were given to the Gazan civilians because the Gazan civilians, 70% of them support Hamas, and they use that against Israel.And they use that opportunity where they were coming in on work visas, getting money, and they were the ones to turn against Israel and with all of the maps and the locations and commit that atrocious attack.So that is another takeaway, but I have a lot to say on the Gazan civilians too.
Well, let me touch on, there's just one other thing you talked about, the military and the country, I guess, was living in a false sense of security because the borders have been fairly peaceful.You've got economic relationships warming up between countries around.And you haven't actually, it's been a long time since I remember hearing of a suicide bomber in Israel on buses or trains which used to hear of fairly often.That seems to be have been eradicated and with the borders more secure than before.Was it simply just a false sense of security? Israel thinking actually we've got economic benefits. And that's going to trump any in-built religious hatred which exists.Yeah, I think it was a false sense of security. And I think a lot too was that they were allowing those, the Gazans to come in on those work visas.And they just didn't think that they would do something, you know, to turn against them when they were allowing so thousands and thousands of them to come in.And one of the, what really stuck out to me was the kibbutz's that were the most attacks, the worst attack that took place, the majority of them were the kind of thinking they call them the liberal, the leftist, because they were, they were the ones reaching out, you know, to the Gazan civilians, to Hamas.Some of them, one example was a lady who used, not only one lady, but there were other women as well, that would, for years, would bring in the civilians to the hospitals and take care of the children in Gaza, and they murdered her.And they murdered a lot of the people at the kibbutz who were the ones that believed that you could live side by side, the ones that believed that you could have that peace.And that is something that even people that believed for years and years and had been involved in some of the peace agreements.They said that was their biggest eye-opener, is how wrong they were, how wrong they were that you could have that two-state solution, and live side-by-side because they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.And that was a big wake-up call.And that's why I think the perspective is so different.And I heard that there has never been more of a unity within Israel to annihilate and eliminate Hamas than there is now.They said over 99% of Israel is all unified, that you have to eliminate Hamas.So not only Hamas, but Hezbollah in the north as well.Let me come back to you on Israeli failing.You mentioned you've got a lot to say on the actual people living in Gaza.I don't even want to call them Palestinians, but I will not even delve down that rabbit hole.But those living in Gaza, they seem to, well, the world seems to want to blame Israel for the problems happening in Gaza under Hamas and the world doesn't seem to actually have any issues with Hamas being the government and democracy not functioning all of that and and it seems as though the people there certainly the media tell us that all their ire and anger is against Israel for their problems and not against Hamas.Tell us about kind of what the conversations, what you learned about actually those people living in Gaza.That was something that I learned right away when we were at the kibbutz.They were talking about how people aren't mentioning, and they weren't talking about the 3,000 Gazan civilians that broke in and breached the wall after Hamas made the initial breach.There were thousands of Gazan civilians, Palestinians, that came in and they stole trucks from the kibbutz's, and they stole and they looted within.They took TVs and they stole things and those were the civilians.And so you see all these pro-Palestinian protests and they're not pro-Palestinian.If they were pro-Palestinian, why doesn't Jordan take them in?Why doesn't Egypt take them in? Why don't these Arab countries take in these Palestinians that they seem to care so much about? Why? They don't want them.Nobody wants the Palestinians because they're 70% pro-Hamas and they're indoctrinated since they're children, which I'd love to touch on the UNHCR funding too, the UN funding where this indoctrination is happening at the schools and it's being funded by the US, by the EU, by the European countries, right?By the Western world for this indoctrination in these schools that is bringing up these little kids to kill Israelis.So the Arab countries, they don't want them, But yet, in the whole world, everybody, it seems to be pro-Palestinian, but they're not pro-Palestinian.They're pro-Hamas and they're anti-Israel. That's what that is.So I don't even call them pro-Palestinian rallies or protests.That's not what they are.They're not pro-Palestinian. They're anti-Israel and they're pro-Hamas.
Yeah, we've seen that here.The people there, because the media can tell us that it's sad that the people in Gaza, and obviously you have many civilians caught up in this, civilians on both sides and no one wants a war situation.It's not good for any country but Israel didn't choose this.But you look at the people in Gaza and on one side it's the poor people there, they're living under a difficult government but you've been to Arab Spring, different demonstrations.I know I've had many conversations with those who had lived behind the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe.You have uprisings, you have people uprising to overthrow those above them. And that may not be easy.And maybe me speaking as a Brit, it's easy for me to say that, but that's how history works.And surely the same thing should work in Gaza.If the people are unhappy with those above them, then they should overthrow them.
Yeah. And I think actually you're seeing more of that right now.You're seeing where these Hamas members are surrendering in the masses.And I think you're seeing more of the people starting to turn against Hamas.But even like when you look at the statistics and the polling, you have 73% of the people that live in Gaza, the Palestinians, they support Hamas.They're Hamas sympathizers. And a lot of that has to do with the indoctrination and the schooling since they're kids.You see the videos of these children who have, you know, machine guns and they're taught and they're raised to just hate Israelis and they're honoured if they murder Israelis and that's their indoctrination.So you've got to break that ideology.You know, you can definitely eliminate Hamas as an organization, but it's an ideology that you really have to come against, which we've done in the past.You know, look at what we did with Germany and Japan. So you can come against an ideology and that's what you have to do.And so that is, yeah, that is a whole different conversation.Looking at how the people live, that is all, as you pointed out, it's all funded by the West.That perpetual hatred, that perpetual tension, when we have politicians talk about they want peace, but at the same time they're funding a terror organisation and keeping that pocket of evil right on the edge ready to kick off.You're right it does seem to be that the West are guilty of what has happened.The UN is funding it. The UN is funding that ideology.The Western world is funding it. The United States is funding it and under the Trump administration they cut that funding to UNRWA.They cut the hundreds of millions of dollars to UNHCR and Biden immediately restarted that funding again.And that funding goes directly to Hamas and it goes directly to funding that ideology and that's taking place in that school.So if you want to start with one thing to cut, which we could do right now, is eliminate UNHCR, completely eliminate UNHCR, and cut that funding that's going to UNHCR.But right now they're launching, UNHCR has literally launched a Hamas campaign.That's what they're doing. They are the spokespeople for Hamas and when you look them up and you look at the campaign that they're doing right now. You will see how they are basically launching a campaign and it's with US funding and it's with UN funding. So just think of that. We're funding Hamas's campaign.UNHCR, tell us what that stands for. 
UN Refugee Program Agency.
Okay, that does explain a lot.You mentioned about the Israeli people and a unity behind the government and the military.That hasn't always been the case, and certainly I've seen a lot of self-hatred, maybe mostly from Israelis and Jews who live abroad and look back.But with that unity, then that possibly does mean the job can be done.May tell us about that, your conversations with people.About the unity that's happening in Israel right now?That is something they said, They're 99% unified and Israel too, they were having, they were so divided pre, and this other people will say, well, because the country was so divided before the Hamas attack over the judicial reforms.That was the big focus in Israel. That was really dividing the country.But after this Hamas attack, everyone has been saying they have never seen more unity. And when you get to Israel, that's what you see.You see the Israeli flags all over the country, every building, all the roads.I mean, every car has an Israeli flag. It's that, like you're unified.It was like, it reminded me of September 11th, you know, after September 11th, every single American flag was sold out.Everybody was unified. They were against terrorism and they were unified as a nation and a world.The whole global community was unified. And that's where I don't understand why you're not seeing that now with Hamas attack. Hamas is ISIS.Hamas is ISIS. It's the same funding, it's the same ideology, it's the same groups, the same kind of the countries that are behind it, the terrorist organization, the tactics, the beliefs, the ideology, all of it's the same. So Hamas is ISIS.And the attacks that they did against the Israeli citizens when they killed babies, when they cut open pregnant women, when they raped women multiple times and then burn their bodies, they beheaded people.I mean, that's ISIS.You can't even fathom having anyone that would even think that they could support Hamas right now or support ISIS.Just think of that if you had ISIS supporters, think of the difference in the perspective that you would see if you had all of these students protesting for ISIS, you wouldn't see that.And if you held ISIS beliefs, you would be prosecuted, right?The FBI is going to be hunting at your door if you showed any kind of sympathy with ISIS.But why are they not doing that with Hamas?Hamas is ISIS. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.They come from the same sources.There's no difference in them, but yet we're allowing this like pro-Hamas.Even in our campuses, sentiment.I mean, you should have the FBI at the door, even having that, just like it was with ISIS. You should have that same mentality towards Hamas.There's no reason in the 21st century to have a terrorist organization that commits those kind of barbaric, inhumane acts.I mean, there's just no, there's no space for that. There should be zero tolerance for that.And the world should be united as we were all united with the United States on 9-11 when we all came together, you know, for the war on global terrorism.That's what we're dealing with. This is a global war on terrorism.That's what we're fighting right now. And there should be no divide in that.And yet you're seeing it all over, especially in the UK.Oh yeah, in the UK. I want to pick up on some of the military in the north and Hezbollah and surrounding, but let me ask you about that world support or pressure, how the media have responded.Europe have always had a very uneasy relationship with Israel.Europe have traditionally sided with Arab nations against Israel.America is quite different and America has generally been a bastion of support for Israel right from the beginning, from the modern day state.But what is that like because you have in campuses, as you see here I guess in the States, a lot of pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian, because people don't know any better.But generally the media, up until, they're still generally holding to be more pro-Israel, although you see that beginning to slip.And with the BBC, it maybe lasted a few days before it slipped, but I think in the US, it's lasted a lot longer.Tell us about that, because not only is there a military war but there's a PR and media war as well.
Yeah, and that was where I think it's starting to shift. I think right away there was all of that pressure and people saw that.I think the social media, China was behind a lot of that on TikTok.They were fomenting a lot of that anti-Israel.I think China was a lot behind that, especially on TikTok social media.But I think you're seeing it start to swing now.And I think because people, when they see the videos and when they see it themselves, I think you can't defend it like it was so barbaric and inhumane what they did. No one can defend it so I think that's the difference that you're seeing and that's why it's starting to shift is because It is ISIS and when you when you see what how just that's why, when Hamas did this like 2014 when they launched the rockets and the war in 2014 it was very different because you just look at what, they targeted civilians, they targeted babies, they targeted women, and then they kidnapped them, they kidnapped babies, they kidnapped young little kids.And so that I think people are seeing that anyone that is a human being, right, that has any kind of understanding or emotion, common sense, you have to condemn it.There's just zero tolerance for that. And I think people are starting to see that.And that's why it's important for the actual videos and the reporting to happen, because Hamas is launching this massive information campaign, massive information war, which they've always done.You know, they've always done. And that's why you're seeing even pushback on the mainstream media.You know, when just for a perfect example, I think several weeks ago when you had, Shiva hospital and it was and they were saying that it was Israel that hit it right and it was Hamas but yet look at the condemnation because of the false reporting and they had to push back and to be able to report the truth and you have members of Congress.Rashid Talib, you know who was still not even believing Israel when all the evidence was there, even when the Biden administration themselves, you know came out and said no it wasn't Israel.It was Hamas you know, you still had a member of Congress who was coming out there and spewing these lies against Israel because she's, you know, she's part of that false campaign against Israel.And so I think you can't dispute the evidence.You just can't. No matter what, you just cannot dispute the evidence.And I think that's the information war that Israel is, they still have to battle it.They absolutely have to battle it. And that's why it was important to go on the ground too, because you have to see it yourself. You've got to report it first-hand.And if people were to see what I saw in the kibbutz's and what I heard, that's what will change your perspective.That's what will make you see.And that's why it is so important for the media to report it accurately.Tera, you touched on the opposition in the left in politics, in the media, and we see that as well in Europe and the UK and our media is dominated by those on the left and politics that are on the left.But we're all seeing another curious, I guess, voice come up and that's the voices that have appeared over the last kind of three, three and a half years on the COVID tyranny, demanding freedoms, angry at the restrictions we faced.And there's a lot of anger amongst that group, certainly against Israel, because of how it locked down more than anyone else before.It only allowed one vaccine to be used, the Pfizer vaccine. You didn't have any right to have anything else.It seemed to be a test bed, an experiment.And I think a lot of that anger against Israel, what's happened the last three, four years under that tyranny, has boiled over into hatred of Israel and Jewish haters.And I've realised a lot of those groups are maybe more in the left and they've traditionally had that hatred of Israel.And you see it popping up time and time again, groups that I would be surprised at.I don't know where, are you having that in the US or is the opposition traditionally from the left on the politics and the media?The left and the politics and the media. I think you have, the United States, you have such strong support for Israel.The evangelical church supports Israel.Democrats, Republicans, it's really dividing the Democratic Party.You've got very staunch pro-Israel Democrats, and the Republican Party has always been very pro-Israel.And so I think you do see it on the left. I think you do see it in that more of the Muslim Brotherhood, I think, influence the college campuses is probably the loudest where it's coming from.But again, that's where you have to look at the sources of that.I don't think it comes from the COVID lockdowns.If you're pro-Israel, you know, you just, for me, it's my faith, you know, God will bless Israel.Those that bless Israel be blessed. Those that curse Israel be cursed.And so you support Israel. And it's not because of who the politicians are, it's not who's in office at the time, it's because God blesses those that bless Israel, and you stand with Israel. And it's a biblical mandate.And I know that's where my position stems from, is I'm going to honour God, and I'm going to stand with Israel.And it's not because of the politicians or who's in power or what their policies are.I agree, that's 100% of where I come from, happily call myself a Christian Zionist because of what the Bible teaches.But then you talk to a non-Christian and you say, well, do you pick Hamas or Israel?Take your choice and don't tell me you want to live in Israel because of freedoms, but really want to hate Israel.And that's, yeah, wanting the freedoms, but yet hating it. It's like wanting a pride parade through Gaza.Well, go for it. You could be the first, and I want to be there to film it and see what happens.You have tolerance and freedom in one country across the board, and yet across the border, not only across the border into Gaza, but in West Bank, in many of the surrounding countries, you have little freedoms.Yeah, yeah, you do, you do. But they're a young country, 75 years old.And so they're still growing and like when you look at Israel, it's a miracle, right?Like it's an absolute miracle everything about Israel is miraculous. It was a desert and it's turned into a green land and is you know rivers and streams and lush and green trees and even just being there and you just see how beautiful Israel is and it's the hand of God and it's miraculous and there's no way that anything that Israel could have existed if it wasn't for God's providence in that country and his hand in doing it.
100%. You touched on, just coming near the end, you touched on the north and obviously the Gaza Strip is southwest.You've got the West Bank to the east and you've got up there in the northern border, Lebanon and Syria.You've got two countries which are failed states in effect and with Hezbollah.I mean for a country and a military to be fighting war on one side, but yet they must be ready and prepared at a moment's notice to open up that on a second front.It's horrendous, horrendous pressure and so far it has held off on the North, but as you say, they will have to deal with that.But the Israeli military have shown time and time again that they are able to fight on many fronts, in 48 and in 73, to attack, to fight on every single front and to be able to push that back.But that kind of, maybe touch on that, that constant state of readiness that has to be there.Everything can't just go to Gaza, it has to be prepared, not only in the North Hezbollah, but also on the West Bank border as well.
And they are, you know, when I was there too, the IDF was, Hezbollah would launch rockets at Israel and Israel would respond.So they're well positioned to be able to respond to Hezbollah, to be able to eliminate the threat from Hezbollah.Just from what, you know, like, what I was told is that they're going to focus on the closest threat, the immediate threat, and that's eliminating Hamas, because, and that's also a quicker operation than Hezbollah.Hezbollah has about 150,000 rockets.They are a much, much stronger, well-equipped, dangerous force than Hamas.Obviously, they're backed by Iran. But the one thing I think that Israel has right now is like the U.S.Warships have been deployed, and they're not doing, actually, they're not doing the deterrence that they should do.Obviously, our troops in the region have been attacked now, over 70 times every day they're adding to the attacks that are going on right now.So the US needs to do much more deterrence to hold Iran at bay and to prevent Hezbollah from joining the war fully.But I think what's the number one thing right now that is preventing Hezbollah is that Lebanon and the civilians in Lebanon do not want Hezbollah to join the war because they're the ones that will be eliminated.And just like Hamas uses the schools and the civilians and the homes as their headquarters, as their military headquarters, and they hold their rockets and that's where they launch all their attacks and use it as their headquarters, that's exactly what Hezbollah does in Lebanon.And they do it as well in the Christian communities in Lebanon.Then they use the schools and they hold the civilians hostage and they use the civilians as their hostages just like they do.You don't hear about it as much, but that's exactly what's going on in Lebanon.And that's what Hezbollah is doing. They're hiding their rockets in these schools, in the hospitals.So, Lebanon does not want Hezbollah to join this war.And the civilians don't, because when the IDF, then Hezbollah will launch an attack from a Christian community, a village, or an area.And that happened when I was there. They launched it from a Christian area, and then the IDF will respond.And then it makes it look like the IDF is hitting a church. Well, no.Hezbollah was using that church as their headquarters at their launching pad to launch these rocket attacks.So of course, the IDF is going to respond to eliminate the threat, they have to.But that's the tactics that they use. And so I think if you put pressure on Lebanon, and obviously, the Hezbollah has, you know, power and control in Lebanon, but I think that's where you could really deter Hezbollah.And the UN could deter Hezbollah as well, like they already passed in 2006, the UN Resolution 1701 to be able to push Hezbollah up past the Latani River, so they're not on the Israeli border, but it's not being enforced.Hezbollah attacks the UN forces because there's not enough, they attack them.I've seen the videos of them attacking their trucks.So Hezbollah dominates in that area, and they're not even supposed to be in that area.So there are things already that exist that just are not being enforced that could really prevent from Israel having, or from that the Northern Front, really being an all-out war?Just finish off on, where Israel goes the future, because Israel has to come out of this stronger.It has to come out of this having defeated Hamas, and whatever that means for Gaza, that will have to be for others to decide.But militarily and security-wise, has to come out the stronger.And then politically, how do you see that happening? Because Israeli politics has always been fractured.And what Benjamin Netanyahu, who's the great survivor, being what PM, differences a third or fourth time now since 96.And obviously that has to pass over at some point, kind of how did you pick up on that political, obviously there's support for him, what he's doing, he needs to come out of this with a strong legacy, and I guess someone else has to also come up and continue his, I guess his boldness and determination to fight for Israel's security.So let me just touch on that, that political side, what did you feel coming away from your trip on that?
I think Israel will come out stronger. I think that you will see something different in Gaza, Hamas will be eliminated and what that is, I didn't get the sense that Israel wants to take over Gaza.I think they don't want to do that. I think you'll have the sovereignty of Israel, you'll have the sovereignty of Israelinvolved but will that include security will that include Arab countries, you know, you hear talks about maybe Saudi Arabia the UAE.One country that that I don't think should have any Impact at all is Qatar. Qatar should have absolutely no influence in Gaza because Qatar is the Muslim Brotherhood.They are the problem and they should be sanctioned, you know the international community should be sanctioning Qatar but if you have like an Arab force, if you have a UN peacekeeping force, some kind of security, but it's Israel's sovereignty.Israel should control, it's their country, and they should have the decisions and it should be in their control to decide.It's their civilians, it's their people, it's their responsibility to keep the civilians of Israel safe and defend their country.And so the US, I mean, the pressure from the Biden administration in any kind of way against Israel to have that sovereignty, you know, that needs to be pushed back on and that you need to allow Israel to be able to have that sovereignty.And also I think the sovereignty as well over Judea and Samaria, you know, the Palestinian Authority, it's not okay for Israel to live under siege.That's not normal. And they shouldn't have to live that way.They should be able to eliminate the attacks.I mean, just think if we were in Texas and someone in Mexico, or not someone, cartels were launching attacks with rockets every day at Texan citizens.And they couldn't eliminate the threat, but instead they just had to build around it to protect themselves, right? They just had to build an Iron Dome or a defence system to be able to protect from the rockets. Instead of taking out the cartels who's launching the rockets.It makes no sense, you know, take out the threat.And so that's something that we need to get behind Israel and allow them to do that and to support them in doing that. But I think you will see a safer Israel, you'll see more sovereignty, and they should.And that's where I think the international community, I don't understand their position in pressuring for a two-state solution, because there is no two-state solution.It just doesn't exist because the Palestinian Authority is not, there is no structure.It doesn't even, it doesn't make any sense. A, it's unbiblical, right? It's against God. You don't divide God's land.Again, those that bless Israel, like America's policy, I think, is directly impacted by our decisions to bless Israel.But there is just no common sense, viable option with the Palestinian Authority.They just don't have the financial structure right now, and they want to eliminate Israel as well.
Tera, really appreciate you coming along and sharing your thoughts on your trip there. So thank you so much for joining us and sharing the stories you had from your trip. Thanks.Thank you, Peter. It's so good to be with you. Thank you.

Dwight Schultz - Its Alright to be Dwight: #006

Welcome to 'Its Alright to be Dwight'A podcast with the television, film and voice actor Dwight Schultz, exclusive to Hearts of Oak.This episode Dwight waxes lyrical on alleged plots, assassination, John Bolton, bribery, Joe Biden, critical race theory, Hamas, government inaction, open borders, honour killings, paedophilia, vaccine passports, national debt and the depreciation of money.
A respected performer on Broadway, Dwight Schultz found everlasting fame by playing the certifiable "Howling Mad" Murdock on the action series "The A-Team" (1983-86).A living, breathing cartoon with a seemingly endless selection of voices and accents at his command, Murdock provided the air power for the A-Team's clandestine adventures, provided that his compatriots could break him out of the mental hospital where he resided.One of the show's most popular and memorable figures, Murdock ensured Schultz steady work on television and on the big screen playing Reginald Barclay in "Star Trek: The Next Generation"An accomplished voice actor, Dwight can be heard in numerous hit computer games and in countless animated shows. To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/
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Ben Bergquam - Law & Border: If this Doesn’t Piss You Off, You’re Not American!

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Ben Bergquam is familiar to the WarRoom posse as he has been RAV's border expert for years now. His Law & Border show regularly exposes the continual failure of Capitol Hill to deal with this avalanche of illegal aliens. We welcome him to Hearts of Oak to discuss his experiences. Where is this never ending stream of illegal immigration coming from? Why do Congress refuse to even acknowledge the problem, never mind stop the flow? And when will Americans learn that they cannot get away from the problem by fleeing California and New York? Once these people are within the borders of America, they are free to go anywhere and do what they like. It's time for Americans to become so 'pissed off' at this injustice that they demand action. 
Ben Bergquam is a well-known Texas-born conservative Christian correspondent. He is the host of “Law & Border “ on RAV-TV News. His experience includes working in the state government and the private sector and engaging in political activism in California and America.He travels the country and Mexico, exposing the massive corruption of the left and the never ending crisis at the border. Ben is out there every single day fighting for values and country.Ben also founded Frontline America, a national organization to restore USA identity: "One Nation Under God!" - exposing the left and mobilizing the Christian conservative remnant.
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Interview recorded  6.12.23
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
Ben Bergquam, it is wonderful to have you with us. Thanks so much for giving us your time today.
(Ben Bergquam)
It's great to be with you, sir. 
Great to have you, and obviously seeing you many times on War Room.Obviously, you're doing a lot with Real America Voice.Many of your pieces on the border, people can find you @BenBergquam, is your Twitter handle.You're the host of Law & Border on Real America Voice News, founder of Frontline America, Christian conservative, husband and father, all ticks the right boxes. So great to have you.Maybe, Ben, you can touch on your, how did you fall in, I guess, to being a journalist?And I think most of what I saw, you put out a lot of stuff, but a lot is a focus on the border, on that immigration issue.How did you end up kind of being a journalist and covering that specific area?You know, it's an interesting backstory. I didn't plan on it.In college, I was an undergrad kinesiology exercise science major, so I was a fitness major, ended up getting my MBA.Before that, I was in architecture and art, and so a whole bunch of kind of background.I played football and, you know, I was just a sports guy.But in college, I saw the direction. I went to high school and college in California.Parents were missionaries in Africa when when I was a kid, we ended up in California and I saw the direction the state was going.I saw how evil things were getting and I saw nobody standing up to fight back for the most part, you know, even the Republicans in California, they just seemed comfortable losing.And so I, it was about the same time that Facebook Live had come out.And in college, I'd started a conservative values organization.I kind of, I got burned out in politics and then I got into drugs and alcohol for a while, I was actually a crack addict for a while.And God turned my life back around in 2015 and right into the 2016 campaign.And I was full on. And so I just took my phone out and started filming and going up and confronting the left in Sacramento.And mostly at the beginning, it's really always been God, family, country are the three pillars of what I focus on.And wherever they fall into that, those one of those categories.In California, obviously it's godlessness, it's evil, It's the far left is taken over to the point now where we can't even define what a woman is.I mean who would have thought 10 years ago even that that would be a subject we'd be having.And but this was this was one of the issues in California in college though what what I noticed was I'm struggling to even get through college. I'm paying my own way.My parents weren't wealthy and so they they couldn't pay me or pay my way through college and we made just enough money to where I didn't qualify for any of the the freebies that the government gives out in California but all of a sudden I noticed several of my classes had illegal aliens in them that were getting full scholarships, and I thought what the hell is going on here and then what really turned me on to the border and made me passionate about it was I met an angel mom named Agnes Gibney whose son she was a legal immigrant.My wife's a legal immigrant. My wife's family escaped communism from Laos to come here. Agnes Gibney, she escaped communism her family fled after World War two and they ended up first in Brazil and then in in California, her son was murdered by an illegal alien.And I started getting story after story after story of these families whose family members had been murdered by illegal aliens. And this was about the same time that this whole argument conversation about sanctuary cities and sanctuary states was coming up.And so I just couldn't believe it. I thought, how the hell could we be in a state that would protect illegal aliens, people that have no right to be here in the first place, above American citizens, and in some cases, above American citizens who had come here legally to escape communism, socialism, the despots of the world.And so that, it just pissed me off, honestly, I just thought, there's no way, this just can't be happening.So I got heavily involved with the Fight Sanctuary State movement, and then that kind of led me down the path of illegal immigration, was on, had a show on the Salem Radio Network for a year, and it was everything but a heavy focus on immigration.And then about that same time, Real America's Voice News had started.They saw the work I was doing. They came and said, we need a border guy. Are you interested?And that's been about four, four and a half years, five years now, been on with Real America's Voice. So it's really been a progression.God's plan is not necessarily our timing, but it's been a pretty amazing ride as well.So now I do the show Law & Border, travel all over North America, down into South America, we're even over in Europe this summer, showing the connections between the United Nations, the globalists, the Great Reset, everything that's happening in Europe, and the connections between the invasion we have on our southern border in America.So it's all of that. Even the border is not just the border.The border is the fight of freedom, liberty versus communism, socialism, it's the fight against the new world order, the globalist leftist, the you know the great reset, Klaus Schwab, WEF, all of this.And it you know it all ties together, it's all in some ways it's all one.
I would love to pick up on missionary family in Africa, God turn your life around, trust me I'll come back to you on a full story on that because to me that's extremely exciting.But onto the border which will stay on all today but that there will be a part two definitely if Ben has the time.I think it's the mass of people I mean here's just a a video just put up just for 15 seconds and it shows the amount of people you'd posted from someone else this was probably maybe two weeks ago.Let me just put just 10 seconds of this up for people to see.Yeah, this is actually a video shot by Alden Cabello. He actually lives in Acuna, Mexico.This is in Eagle Pass, Texas, coming across from Piedras Negas.And these are the lines that you see now.Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people, thousands per day, just marching on into America.
Where do you go because it's, people find it hard to believe the amount of individuals and we in the UK have a much smaller level of immigration with 50,000 coming across illegally on boats and the English Channel from France to UK is our southern border in effect.And that's what we see, that pays a significance on what you have.And how do you actually portray to the public the amount, because it's the amount that makes people think, no, this can't be real, it's just, this is a story you're trying to spin, go away.The scale of it, touch on that.Well, all you have to do is look at the federal government's numbers, and these are conservative numbers, so I'll break them into two.It's the known apprehensions, and we're up around 8 million since Joe Biden took office, and then the unknowns, and they admit to around 1.8 million of what they call the got-aways.Just taking the 8 million, if you take that, if you just took away the go-taways and say, okay, we're going to take the federal government at its own numbers, and we're going to say that 8 million people have come into our country, that is the population of more than 35 states in the United States.That's, you know, so you take an entire state, I'm in the state of Arkansas right now. Our population is under 4 million people, right around 4 million people.That's double our state's population. So, you know, if you compare that in quantity, and again, these are conservative numbers.Now you add in the got-aways, and this is the number that actually really pisses me off. And I'm gonna show you, I actually have a couple little illustrations here.That'll help tell the story. Every time I go down to the border, I look for, I call them souvenirs, but they're really more of evidence.I get IDs from all over the world. I get passports from all over the world.I get little booklets. This is a little Chinese Proverbs booklet that was left there.And you would ask, well, why would anybody dump these IDs? Why would you ever, why? Like, if I lost my passport, I would freak out. I travel all over the world.You know, that's one of your big concerns when you're traveling.Don't lose your passport.They're dumping. They're not losing their passports, they're dumping their passports.And we've asked them, I've actually interviewed people, I was on the Mexico side, and I saw this family from Africa.And they were taking all of their documents, I've actually filmed them doing this.And they were burning them on the shore, they were taking out their IDs, they were taking and trying to burn them before they went across.And we've asked multiple people, why would you do that?And they said, they've actually been coached on this, that they have an easier time coming into America if the government doesn't know who they are.So they can make up any back story they want. They can say they are whoever they want.As long as they don't show up on Interpol or one of our terror watch lists, or they haven't been previously deported or have a criminal record with a country that we share information with, we have zero way of vetting them or verifying.So they can make up any story.And the sad reality is, this is one of the parts that the left doesn't want to talk about. There's many parts that the left doesn't want to talk about.The children are actually used simply as pawns. So if you come across as a single adult male.It used to be you had a harder time getting in. Now, we're just letting everybody in. But it used to be you had a harder time getting in.So what they do is in Mexico and in Central America, they have black markets for children.Families will sell their children. People will steal children.And the men will come across, sometimes the women as well. And they'll bring a child with them. They'll say, this is my daughter.We have no way of verifying that. We let you in as a family.And then they will send those children back.Border Patrol calls it recycling. So they actually recycle these kids.And they'll filter them through. And if you came through with a passport and that child had a birth certificate and they were from two different countries and there was no connection, well, it would be a lot harder to spin that story.But if you come across with nothing and you say, this is my child, this is my son, this is my daughter, this is my wife, we have no way of verifying that. So that's part of it.But the big concern that I have, it's both. I mean, the known 8 million people, we can't afford that.We're in a country that's $33 trillion in debt. We are going more in debt every single day.We're paying off other countries. We're paying for their wars.We're paying for them to secure their borders, but we're going bankrupt.And while we're doing that, we're inviting in millions of more people who are all going to end up on our government dole at some point, whether that's through welfare, the asylum process, they're all paid a monthly stipend to be here if they end up being granted asylum, through our education system, through our healthcare networks.So we are literally slitting our own country's throat. with what's going on, just on the ones we're inviting in, then you take the millions more that are coming through, and again, I'll give you a little illustration of that.My last trip down to Luke, there's some areas right now that are being really heavily hit, and most of it, Texas is really bad, Arizona is really bad, California is as well, but it's not talked about as much.But I was down in Arizona, I was filming an area, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, I was down there showing these massive groups, 1,500 people coming across at a time.And just to put that in perspective, imagine you're out in the middle of nowhere, you're three hours from civilization, you're out in the desert, we call it no man's land, and all of a sudden, 1,500 people show up.I mean, it's like they're showing up for a football game.You know, they're gonna just march on in. They've got some of the bags of luggage.You know, they've travelled around the world to get here. And now they're marching through the desert, walking up to you saying, let us in, or just demanding that they be let in. That's happening day after day after day.And that's one point, one point on a 2,000 mile long border.And it's happening at hundreds of points along our southern border.Well, while that's happening, while you have these people that are turning themselves in that want to get caught, that are gaming the system, because the United Nations and Catholic charities and Lutheran social services and Jewish family services, all of these communist NGOs that are getting paid off to do this are inviting them in.A mile up the road, I went to a little place called Sasabe, Arizona.They're turning themselves in there as well. I go a mile past where they're turning themselves in, and I catch a group of cartel members that are running drugs across our border.Literally, I drive up. I'm the only one there.There's no border patrol because border patrol is all being used on processing these fake asylum seekers. And I look across the wall. I'm 20 feet away from the wall.And I see this backpack, so I back up to it, jump out of the car.I'm armed because we're dealing with cartels. They walk around with AK-47s on the Mexico side and on the US side.And so I look down, all of a sudden I'm like, oh man, this is bad.I've got seven guys all in full camouflage about to cross over.They'd actually already been in the US side.They ran back across when I backed up to them. And I start filming.And thank God I was filming because I actually heard in the camera, the coyote, the cartel coyote say, let's go, let's go, let's go back.He's filming in Spanish, he says this.Well, while they ran away, one of the guys actually dropped their hat.So this is an official cartel camouflage hat that was dropped on our Southern border simply because I was there.But as soon as I left, guaranteed that group with their drugs and their full backpacks came across and there was no border patrol for hundreds of miles to stop them. And that's the state of our border right now.We are spending all of our border patrol resources, the vast majority of it on processing fake asylum seekers and the areas in between are completely wide open for drug smugglers, for sex traffickers, and for potential terrorists.So we are, we are destroying our country as we speak by the very people that have sworn an oath to protect our country.I mean it, so you know, where people say well it couldn't be that bad, imagine the worst you can think it could be and it's worse.Can I ask you because in the UK we talk about immigration affecting services, so schools and hospitals and transport.But in the US, when you look at the drugs problem coming across the border, the fentanyl problem you have in the US, and it seems to be that, as much as I would love to say, well this is the Democrats' fault, actually it seems to be that no one wants to deal with this.Surely a drugs problem would make people wake up, especially with many of the politicians having families, having children.How does that not hit home and that to be a reason to shut the border?Yeah, it's a great question. We had over 100,000 young people die of fentanyl overdoses last year.It's the number one killer for people 18 to 45 in America.It is a weapon of mass destruction.The precursors to fentanyl were originally created in China.Most of them still come from China. They're shipped to the cartels in Mexico.And then the Mexican terrorist drug cartels smuggled them across our southern border to kill American citizens.There's no question about it. If we considered this, if this was the Taliban, that had killed 100,000 Americans, we went to war for 20 years over a fraction of that.3000 people dying on 9-11, we spent 20 years in the Middle East, supposedly fighting terrorists.We have 100,000 plus people die every single year and both sides seem to not care at all.I mean, we're having this idiotic discussion in Washington DC right now about the federal government shutting down while our country is bleeding out.We don't even, as you mentioned, the Democrats to me, I mean, in some ways they're terrible, they're evil, they're inviting this, but some ways they're not as bad. At least they're stabbing me in the front.It's the people that claim to be on my side, the people that claim to care about these issues that end up stabbing you in the back.You look at guys like Kevin McCarthy who was in there as speaker, did absolutely nothing to stop this. We look at most politicians in America will talk about issues, but they do absolutely nothing.And I think the message should be very simple.Shut the government down until we can shut this invasion on our southern border down. And if you don't have the balls to do that, then get out of Congress.We need that. And again, as you mentioned, it's been on both sides.Historically, if we back up just a little bit.Up until President Trump, you had Democrats and Republicans.They both loved illegal immigration.Republicans loved it for the cheap labour. The chambers of commerce love cheap labour.They love people working under the table because it makes more money for them.You also had the Democrats that love it because they love holding people under their thumb. They love having easy votes.And ultimately, it's a win for slavery.I mean, you talk about, you know, we ended slavery in the United States.We ended in UK over a hundred years ago, but there are more slaves today in America than there ever have been because of what we have going on our southern border. So all of that.Then President Trump came in and said, wait a second, this isn't good.This isn't good for America.This isn't good for the people that this is happening to. This isn't good for the countries that they're leaving.And ultimately, if this continues, the world will be affected by this.This will be bad for everyone because if America falls, the world falls.And so President Trump was the first one that came in and said, we're actually going to do something to stop this. And he did.We saw the lowest numbers. When President Trump took office, they were some of the highest numbers we'd seen.When President Trump left office when the election was stolen, I don't know if I can say that on your show, but I absolutely believe it.
Oh, you can. We're not on YouTube.Say it's stolen. 100%. 
It was. It was 100% stolen.
The Democrats have perfected election fraud. When that happened, we had some of the lowest numbers we'd seen on the southern border.And it was simply because President Trump prioritized it and said, you will not break into our country, you will not get freebies.And the one big policy that he put into place was the remain in Mexico policy that said, if you're coming here requesting asylum, you're gonna wait on the Mexico side of the border until your case is adjudicated.And then we will let you in if you qualify.Well, the 95% of the people that are coming that are claiming asylum now, don't qualify for asylum.They got the message, we're not gonna get in. So they stayed home.Then you have Joe Biden come in and say, everybody's welcome, come on in, and now the floodgates are open. And you're right.So Democrats have invited this, but the Republicans have done almost nothing to stop it.And that's, you know, the Democrats need to be held.They need to be arrested and charged with treason. Joe Biden, Secretary Marcos, everybody who's inviting this, the NGOs like Catholic Charities need to be defunded immediately.The House has the control over the purse strings. They could do that today.And the United Nations needs to be defunded. And ultimately, when we take back control in 2024, which I pray and I believe we will, we need investigations into every single politician that has supported open borders to find out how many of them are bought off by the cartels.That's what we need in America, but right now we have none of that.Can I ask about the people coming over? I mean you put up a tweet, immigrants from 23 Islamic countries in Europe.It's actually the clash between people coming from Islamic countries and that cultural clash between the traditional Christian freedoms that we've had in Europe and then you come with a push on Islam and that's the almighty clash that we're having here.You haven't got it to quite that level but where is the push coming from?Obviously everyone, you can't blame people in theory if it's economic migrants wanting to be in a richer country.Everyone wants to be richer, everyone wants to have a better life, that's fair enough.But you don't necessarily have that right to just cross over and pick a nation.And where, where is the people groups coming from?And how is that the clash between US culture?
Well, that's the rub in America. It's not one it's we're getting, it's the death by a million cuts.So you have the people coming across that simply want a job and are taking it.You know, it's ironic too. We had four years with president Trump, some of the best job numbers for almost every single demographic, lowest unemployment for black, lowest unemployment for Hispanic, lowest unemployment for women until the China virus, until China unleashed COVID on the world.And then the election theft. Now you have some of the worst job numbers for the black community.Even the Hispanic community in America, the legal Hispanic community in America is being crushed by this.So you have the part of it that are just the economic migrants that are coming over for jobs.And I wish they were all just, I mean, honestly, I wish they were coming for jobs.But now you have this other side of it where you have illegal aliens that have been taught, you have generations now that have been taught that you can game the welfare system.You don't even have to work. And so now you have millions that are coming across simply to game the welfare system and they get it and they take it out of our kids' pockets as we continue to go further and further into debt.They take it from our kids' education. They take it from our healthcare system.Coming from California, used to live there, escaped a couple of years ago.And we had in our local area in the Central Valley, we've had three hospitals shut down in the last five years because of illegal aliens.They come in, they use the services, they don't pay the bills, and then the hospitals end up going bankrupt. And that's an epidemic happening across America.But then you have, as you guys see, and in some ways, it's better, it's worse for Europe, what's going on.By the way, if you haven't read a book, it's called The Sword in the Scimitar by Raymond Ibrahim.It's the thousand years of the war on Islam and Christendom.It is a extremely good book to read, to learn the history behind this from Mohammed up to until the Spain kicked the Moors out for good.You know, there was history to that about the same time as Christopher Columbus.This isn't new for Europe.You know, there's been a war. Muslims have been attacking Europe, trying to take over Europe for hundreds of years ever since Muhammad really, and after his death.Well, Spain actually got to the point right around 1400, end of 1400, where they said no more.They tried, they tried, they tried, and they said no more. And they ended up kicking the Moors all out of Spain, back to Northern Africa.Well, now you have these woke leftists saying, come on in guys, come on in. We've got, no, it's all compassion.We are, you know, and you have these, you have these brain dead, supposedly religious organizations that are saying, well, we want to be compassionate.We don't want to be mean people. So these, you know, we're going to look at people through the best lens possible. We're going to say, they just want a better life. We're going to invite them in.And not knowing that you're committing national suicide. And that's happening all across Europe. As I mentioned, I was in Sweden, I was in Europe this past summer.I started in Sweden, then went down through Denmark, into France.Actually, you mentioned the English Channel. I wish the Rio Grande River was as wide as the English Channel. We'd have a lot more control of it.But in Calais, Oscar Blue, one of my co-workers or compadres on Real America's Voice News, they were down there, and they were showing these houses, derelict houses with these Africans.It's interesting because you have the Christian Africans escaping the Muslims, leaving Africa, and then you have right behind them, the jihadists that are blending in and coming right up with them.And so that's what's happening. So you have Europe that has that, they have that, but in some ways it's better because you can say, okay, this is bad, we can isolate the enemy and we can say, nope, we're not gonna allow this anymore.If you can take back control from the woke, brain dead leftists.In America, now we have those other issues. We have the welfare state being overrun. We have the job takers coming in and then you have the jihadist as well being invited up by Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. And AOC who same way they just want the destruction of our country.So you have we have it on from all fronts.Takes a little bit longer to get here, a little bit harder for somebody to leave the Middle East to come to the United States, a little bit easier to go up into Europe.But in the end, it's the same enemy. So all of that's happening.But the tip of the spear on all of that, whether it's the jihadists coming up to Europe or the jihadists coming up through America, or the job killers or job takers or welfare takers coming up through both sides, it's the United Nations, it's the leftist, it's the World Economic Forum, it's this Klaus Schwab global reset, redistribution of wealth that is driving all of this and all of these fake godless communist non-governmental organizations, charities, that are at the front edge of this that are getting paid off by every government in the world to help enable the invasion of the West.That's what's happening.Can I just pick up on California just for our last five minutes or so because I know you're non-stop media so I do appreciate your time, Ben.But you touched on California. Obviously we've seen the crazy debate between Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom, legitimising Gavin Newsom and obviously many are pushing for him to run because Biden doesn't know what time the day it is, never mind that he's president.But let me just play this clip of you showing the tent cities, which I saw actually in LA April time last year, for the first time ever, was on the West Coast and the last time I ever want to be there.Let me just play this and just talk us through kind of what we're seeing and what you've seen in California, which obviously is the state you know well.
Yeah, this is a tent city on the American River in Sacramento, California, and the capital of Sacramento.This was actually the day before Gavin Newsom did thatpathetic debate with Ron DeSantis.He leaves California. This was actually two weeks after we had Xi Jinping come to town to San Francisco, and they cleaned up the streets of San Francisco.And right now, they've spent billions of dollars in California.They just last year spent hundreds of millions of dollars to supposedly clean up the streets.And if you go to downtown Sacramento, the streets are clean.But if you go to any of the exterior areas, you go to any of the the peripheral neighbourhoods, the suburbs of Sacramento. This is what it looks like.It is absolute filth. It's hell on earth.It's a cesspool, it's drugs, it's crime. And really it's just, it's human misery.I actually interviewed several of the people down there and they don't wanna be there. You know, some of them do. Some of them are addicts that just don't wanna be held accountable. Some of them are criminals.But it's, you know, a lot of these people simply can't afford to live in California anymore because of the economic policies by the left.We have some of the highest cost of living in the country.I say that as a guy who lives in Arkansas now who has gas for under $2 and 50 cents a gallon. In California, when I left there, it was $6 a gallon.In San Francisco, the median single bedroom apartment is $3,500 a month.So you look at, and Sacramento is not much below that. You look at LA is the same.So you have this disparity between the extremely rich who look up, you know, like Gavin Newsom and lives in his multi-million dollar mansion and says, well, it's not so bad.While he's destroying the energy sector, he's destroying every industry that he doesn't like, he's destroying agriculture in the Central Valley, which is, you know, California produces the majority of some staple food products that the world eats, and in particular, the United States eats.They're destroying that at the altar of climate change and radical environmentalism, and they're destroying lives along the way. So the bottom line is very simple.If you like misery, if you like poverty, if you like homelessness, drug addiction, if you like BLM thugs being able of rob at will and not being penalized by leftist DAs, Soros backed DAs, then keep voting for Democrats.But if you're sick of living that way, then you can't vote for these guys.They're not in it for your best interest. They may say all the right things, but they lie.Gavin Newsom is one of the worst liars I know. He's one of the slickest guys I know, but he's an absolute disgusting liar.And it's time that we fire every single person like that.And we start saying, what's in the best interest for Americans. What's in the best interest for my citizens, if you're in the UK,It should be what's in the best interest for the citizens of the UK and every country should take that model and then take it all the way down to your local level to your local community and say if we come from that perspective. Like I'm not a mean-hearted person.I'm a Christian. I give to my church. I give to the needy, in fact I gave, I interviewed one lady there and I gave to her, and I usually don't, I usually don't give to homeless people because usually you're just feeding an addiction. But I did, and I judge it at one person at a time.But the last thing we need to do is keep pumping money into the federal government that then pumps it out to their friendlies that basically are funded by the continuation of homelessness, or they are funded by the continuation of the invasion on our southern border.We have entire industries now based around the destruction of America that we are paying for, the American citizens are paying for.And if you're sick of it, like I'm sick of it, We have to get these people out of office ultimately. I think we have to prosecute the ones that are traitors to our country and take back this country and stop saying we're gonna compromise, stop apologizing for being right and say, you know, if these ideas are better, we're gonna win in the arena of ideas.We're not going to compromise. We're going to defeat the enemy and again come from the perspective. That's why I support President Trump so much.He came from the perspective of winning not compromising, now I didn't agree with him on everything. I think you know, you look now back at the vaccines and all of that I think we need to you know, there's some some things he needs to change. I think one thing he needs to change is who he puts around himself.But ultimately, President Trump was the best thing for America and really for the world.And I pray that he wins in 2024 and really that ultimately will decide the trajectory of not just America, but the rest of the world.If they steal it again in 2024.I have a hard time seeing how we save not just America, but the rest of the planet as well.
Ben, thanks for coming. Obviously, people can find you popping up regularly on War Room and Real America Voice.And your your show, Law & Border, is it on regular times? Just let us know that before we finish.
Yeah, we basically run it as a special. We have 19 episodes.We're in our third season right now.And so it runs on Saturdays and Sundays when the new episodes are out.But if you want to binge watch, they're always available.All 19 episodes are available at americasvoice.news and then you just click on all shows, go down to Law & Border, and you can watch every single episode.We're working on our 20th episode as we speak.
Brilliant. Well, Ben, thanks so much for your time today. 
Thank you, sir. It's great to be with you.
 

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Ben Harnwell, International Editor of 'Bannon’s War Room' returns to Hearts of Oak to give us his analysis of the past weeks doom and gloom in the news, articles and from social media, and there is plenty to get stuck into including...- Rotherham abuse survivor set to sell rapist’s home in £450K court win.- Denmark passes law to ban Quran burnings.- Zelensky turning Ukraine into authoritarian state just like Russia, says Kyiv mayor.- Ukraine war: Soldier tells BBC of front-line 'hell'- Ireland says it has run out of room for refugees.- ‘President’ Newsom has a Problem: Citizens fleeing his reign of terror cause massive plunge in tax revenues.- Garland’s DoJ offered Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal to avoid triggering an impeachment against Joe Biden.- Top border officials say that the release of migrants into nearby communities is an incentive for others to attempt illegal border crossings.
In the two years between December 2006 and December 2008, Benjamin Harnwell was engaged in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity, consulting widely with various experts around the world. This work was drawn to a conclusion on 8 December 2008, when (with Gay Mitchell MEP) he founded the European Parliament’s Working Group on Human Dignity (of which he remains Honorary Secretary); and on the same date, simultaneously established (with Nirj Deva MEP) the Dignitatis Humanae Institute (of which he is Director).The Working Group was publicly launched on 25 March 2009 by European Parliament Speaker Dr. Hans-Gert Pöttering MEP (now a Patron of the Dignitatis Humanae Institute). The DHI has since been engaged in launching parallel parliamentary working groups on human dignity in various legislatures around the world, all based on the principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity.Ben was the Chief of Staff to Nirj Deva MEP until the end of 2010, since which point he is now based permanently in Rome, directing the development of the DHI. When involved in politics, he was an active member of the British Conservative Party for over 15 years. Benjamin identifies himself philosophically as an Austro-libertarian, co-founding (with Vincent de Roeck) the European Parliament’s Mises Circle, which exists to promote greater recognition of the Austrian School of Economics; he also co-founded the international Right Approach Group (with Patrick Barron), to explore free-market solutions to contemporary problems.In 2002 and 2004, Ben was seconded to Colombo as Special Advisor to Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.H.E. Mons. Sánchez Sorondo, Bishop Chancellor of the Pontifical Academies of Science and Social Sciences, appointed Ben External Counsellor in 2016.Since February 2018 Harnwell, as director of the DHI, is also the director of the Abbey of Trisulti, founded in AD 1204 and National Monument of Italy since 1873.From October 2021 to date Ben serves as international editor at “Steve Bannon’s War Room” on the number 1 ranked US political podcast.
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Originally broadcast live  9.12.23
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James Lindsay - SHAME: The Inner School of the Cult

James Lindsay was first with us a few months ago after his great speech on Woke in the European Parliament.He returns to Hearts of Oak to unpack a recent thread of his on X, titled 'How totalitarian cults control people through shame'. We often find that presenting information and facts often fails to sway those trapped in totalitarian ideologies (like Woke, Covid or gender queer). People do not like to admit they were wrong and certainly do not like others knowing they believed shameful things. The battle we face regards social identity, not error. Belonging and not belief. Before it is possible to get people out of such a cult mentality, they must realise they have permission to believe against cult doctrine. Join us as James breaks all of this down in his own imitable and profound style. 
Discussion based on https://x.com/ConceptualJames/status/1731784407688544285?s=20
James Lindsay is a professional troublemaker, mathematician, author, internationally recognized speaker and the founder and president of New Discourses.James is a leading expert on Critical Race Theory and is best known for his relentless criticism of "Woke" ideology, the now-famous Grievance Studies Affair, and his bestselling books including Race Marxism and Cynical Theories, which has been translated into over a dozen languages.In addition to writing and speaking, he is the voice of the New Discourses Podcast and has been a guest on prominent media outlets including The Joe Rogan Experience, Glenn Beck, Fox News, and NPR.
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Interview recorded 5.12.23
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