Hearts of Oak Podcast

Alex Newman - From Ballots to Bullets: The Political Scandals Rocking America

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We welcome the return of Alex Newman as he discusses the U.S. political landscape, focusing on Kamala Harris's rise and the media's manufactured perception of her. He highlights public disillusionment with mainstream media and critiques polling reliability as a tool for shaping opinion. Alex warns about electoral vulnerabilities and the influence of the Chinese Communist Party on Western politics. He stresses the importance of reclaiming education to counter ideological indoctrination and discusses the evolving media landscape's role in fostering free speech. The conversation concludes with a call for citizen engagement to preserve democracy and American values.
Alex Newman is an award-winning international journalist, educator, author, speaker, investor, and consultant who seeks to glorify God in everything he does.In addition to serving as president of Liberty Sentinel Media, Inc, he has written for a wide array of publications in the United States and abroad. He currently serves as a contributor to the Epoch Times, a correspondent for the Law Enforcement Intelligence Brief, foreign correspondent and senior editor for The New American magazine, a writer for WND (World Net Daily), an education writer for FreedomProject Media, a columnist for the Illinois Family Institute, and much more.Over his career as a journalist, Alex has interviewed current and former heads of state, members of Congress, royalty, and countless other fascinating people. His work, which has received numerous awards, has been repeatedly highlighted by Drudge, Breitbart, Fox News, and many other outlets. His writing has been published in major newspapers across America, and his PR work has appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters, the Associated Press, and more.In addition, Alex has authored and co-authored several books. One of his major works was an exposé of government schools with internationally renowned Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld called Crimes of the Educators published by WND Books. It was endorsed by conservative leaders ranging from Phyllis Schlafly to Ron Paul.Across multiple platforms and with tens of millions of views on his videos so far, Alex also hosts and co-hosts a number of shows. Alex hosts The Sentinel Report on the Frank Speech network which reaches many millions worldwide. Separately, he hosts Behind The Deep State and Conversations That Matter. Finally, he co-hosts Unravelling the Narrative.Alex is on the Leadership Council of Freedom Force International, one of the premier liberty organizations in the world. He also serves as a director for the organization Bear Witness Central, which works to protect and preserve the U.S. Constitution by educating the public in partnership with other conservative organizations. Alex is a Leadership Fellow at the James Madison Institute, Florida’s premier free-market think tank. And he serves on the advisory board of Citizens for Free Speech.Alex has a B.S. degree in journalism from the University of Florida with an emphasis on economics and international relations, as well as an A.A. degree in foreign languages from Miami-Dade College. He also studied international relations at the Institute Français des Alpes in France.
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(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, Hearts of Oak.
Welcome to another interview.
And I'm delighted to have Alex Newman back with us again. Alex, thank you so much for your time today.
(Alex Newman)
It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much, Peter.
People can follow you @AlexNewman_JOU,
The Liberty Sentinel
on the screen there.
And obviously the links are in the description.
And obviously you can follow and also on Patriot TV.
I know Alex is streaming there, which is a General Flynn's network. Work so many places defined Alex giving his input into what is happening I had the privilege of being on with Alex on his show giving overview of some of the things in the UK, so I wanted him to come on and share the the madness in the US, otherwise we face madness here in the UK.
But Alex it's...
We've had a number of US guests on the last couple of weeks but not on a focus on the current situation in the US.
And in the last few months, we've gone from an assassination attempt on President Trump, we've gone for a coup to remove sleepy Joe or whoever was in charge.
And we're now being told that Kamala Harris is utterly popular despite her pulling, I think, 2% whenever she was running previously for President.
And nothing seems to make sense on all of that. Maybe, where do I start?
Maybe, and of course, into that, we have Monkeypox.
We have a global pandemic has just been announced.
You kind of think some of these things are coming together.
You can join the dots. But maybe, let's maybe look at the political side, Alex.
This media enthusiasm and euphoria for Kamala, who is embarrassing, utterly embarrassing.
How does that kind of come around with going from sleepy Joe to someone who actually no one seemed to want, and now suddenly she's the rising star.
Well, it's an entirely manufactured process, Peter.
There is very little genuine support for Kamala Harris.
Even the handful of neighbours in the little town that I live in that did have support for Joe Biden, either on their bumper sticker or in their sign.
No sign of Kamala Harris bumper stickers or signs.
I think the perception of popularity is entirely manufactured.
It is entirely fraudulent, just like so much of the reality that the fake media is painting for us. Now, we know that Americans don't believe this stuff.
Just a few months ago, there was a poll out showing that I think over 60% of Americans regard the media as enemies of the people.
And that's their phony polls. My guess is it's probably significantly higher than that.
And polling really has become not so much a tool for gauging public opinion, but rather a tool for attempting to shape public opinion.
So, I don't think people are buying this. You may have some people that live in the bubble in New York City, Washington, D.C., San Francisco that still believe this stuff.
But for the most part, I always tell people, go talk to normal people.
Go meet your waitress. Go meet your flight attendant, your plumber, your mechanic, your Uber driver, your taxi driver, the guy serving burgers at the McDonald's.
And what you'll find is that normal people, by and large, see through the lies.
They may not understand all the details.
They may not even see the big picture, but they know they're being lied to.
They don't like it.
And they're not willing to go along with the silly propaganda any longer.
We have seen the exact use of the polling numbers in the UK whenever we had our election, basically telling the public who to vote for, telling them it was a foregone conclusion, and vote for the far left in Labour.
And we've moved away, you're right, from when polling was independent and supposed to inform of the general feeling, not seem to be driven by forces.
What you mentioned is exactly what we've had here in the UK.
Are there independent polling?
I mean, how do you get around that to actually gauge public opinion instead of driving the narrative?
Well, there are some agencies, some polling entities that are better than others. Rasmussen and Gallup historically have done a slightly better job than the so-called mainstream ones.
But even occasionally with the mainstream polling agencies, you'll find a little nugget of truth.
And what they do is they promptly bury it when they accidentally stumble upon it.
But last year, I believe it was the AP Nork Center for Public Affairs, which is public affairs research, which is a very mainstream left wing polling agency.
They did a really interesting survey.
They asked Americans about their opinions on so-called climate change.
So they asked Americans, first of all, do you believe in climate change to which any sensible person would say, well, of course, the climate changes.
It's always changed. Wouldn't it be silly to pretend like it doesn't change?
And then they asked a follow up question, which they probably regret doing now.
Now, do you believe that the climate change is mostly man-made?
And what they found out was that significantly less than half of Americans believe in man-made global warming, man-made climate change.
And so they quickly buried the results of that and pretended like it didn't happen.
So, even occasionally, the mainstream polling agencies will get something right.
But what they've done with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump talked about this just this week, they've even adjusted their formula from three weeks ago to try to make Kamala Harris look more popular.
So, what they're really planning on doing, Peter, and I don't want to get you in trouble with any of the outlets that may carry here, but so I'll try to not use the trigger terms that the AI would pick up on.
They are planning to use fraud, essentially.
One of the mechanisms that they're using, they've got hundreds of thousands of phony voter registrations, especially in all the key swing states.
They've got, you know, a thousand people registered to vote at a Walmart.
They've got 200 people registered to vote at an empty lot.
And what these are, a lot of them are illegal immigrants, dead people, foreigners.
People, felons, people who are not eligible to vote.
And what happens is they go and then they collect all these ballots, they fill them out.
And so we've had a few states now that have said, well, we're going to do paper ballots.
We're going to do hand counting.
We're going to get rid of the machines.
Well, you can count fake ballots till you're blue in the face. You're still going to get the same result if you've got a bunch of fake ballots in there.
And so we've got a real problem on this. There are, of course, very serious efforts to stop this before it happens.
But their strategy is to try to manufacture a perception of support for Kamala Harris, do whatever it takes to win the election using fraudulent means, and then gaslight us all to believe that: hey, the perception of popular support must have been real because look at the final election result.
Anybody who says otherwise is a vicious conspiracy theorist, a homophobe, a sexist, whatever nasty terms you can think of.
And now everybody shut up and maybe we'll have another fake attack on the Capitol to round it all up and persecute and prosecute people who don't agree with this.
So, that's what they're planning to do, whether they'll get away with it or not, is, I think, an open question.
There are a lot of very smart people working to stop these shenanigans.
And what just happened in Virginia, very encouraging.
The governor did an executive order.
We're not going to be using the voting machines.
We're going to do paper ballots.
So these are signs of progress.
But we're going to need a whole lot more to be able to stop what really, I believe, is a criminal operation here, masquerading as a political campaign.
Fill me in on, because you can have the voter goes and votes on a machine, and then you've kind of machines counting it, obviously, if that's done.
But even if you have paper ballots, you can still have machines counting them.
And that's a world away from, I mean, the UK where you watch the counters running in with the boxes and actually you can have your pool agent watching them physically count them.
Everything is counted and you can challenge a lot.
That same, I guess, transparency doesn't seem to be in the US.
And I saw the announcement in Virginia and I also saw a lot of pushback to say, well, this doesn't necessarily solve it.
Do you want to just...
Feed into that, because I don't know if that's the silver bullet that we've seen with the Virginia announcement.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
I don't think what happened in Virginia is nearly enough to protect us. I mentioned the phony voter registration.
You've got huge numbers of people who are not eligible to vote.
In many cases, they're dead, signed up to receive ballots through the mail. And so this is a recipe for rigging.
You could use hand counting paper ballots all day, like I said.
And if you've got hundreds of thousands of of fake ballots from ineligible voters filled out by party hacks for the Democrats, again, you could count all day.
You could recount and recount again, and you're still going to get the same result. It's going to be a flawed election.
So, this is very simple, Peter. I grew up in the third world, mostly Latin America, then Europe, and then down to Africa.
So, I've seen elections in a lot of different countries.
I lived in eight different countries, and I've seen a lot of different election processes play out.
I can say unequivocally, the United States, the various states are the worst systems I've ever seen.
I still remember as a kid in Mexico, people would all be walking around with a black thumb because they'd go in and you'd have to vote in person.
You'd have to show your ID.
Then you'd put your finger in the ink so that you couldn't go back in and vote again.
It seems very low tech, but Americans ran legitimate elections for hundreds of years in this country.
And we did it the same way everybody else has always done legitimate elections.
In-person voting on the day of the election, you show your ID so you can prove who you are.
And then you hand count it with anybody who wants to witness that counting present in the room.
You have a secure chain of custody for the ballots where people from all the different parties and factions can watch those ballots from the time they're put into the box to the time they're counted.
This is a no brainer, right?
If Americans can send somebody to the moon, we can send rockets into space.
We can send submersibles to the bottom of the ocean.
We can certainly run an election.
The problem is there are very powerful people, Peter, who don't want a legitimate election, because they're terrified of what the American people would vote for if they were allowed to express their opinion in a legitimate, lawful election.
Exactly.
And you mentioned you grew up in some third world countries, then you said parts of Europe are third world.
And worse and worse by the moment, right?
We'll not even get into that because there's enough on the U.S. My concern, and I've seen some states talking about cleaning up the system, and some groups are doing very good work.
Regularly, I see individuals, organizations coming on the War Room and discussing the work that they are doing in cleaning up the ballots.
My concern is that, one, is it too little, too late?
And that does not take away from people still being involved, because the more people involved, the better to hold the system to account. on.
But you've got work in red states where blue states seem to actually just perpetuate the problem and make it worse. And you seem to have this massive divide.
Yeah.
And this is all by design, Peter.
Again, it's very simple to run a free, fair, legitimate election that is beyond dispute.
And historically, at least, everybody had an interest in doing that. Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, we all wanted honest elections, even if it didn't go our way.
We wanted to know that there was an honest election, because even if we lost, that meant that next election we could fix the problem.
We would have another chance to turn the disaster around.
But now we have incredibly powerful vested interests. And some of the arguments that they make, Peter, are so unbelievably ludicrous.
You have trouble believing that somebody is making them with a straight face, like the idea that somehow minorities, whatever that means, can't get IDs.
And so it's It's racist to require a voter ID.
I mean, that is the most patronizing, racist, ridiculous argument I've ever heard. How could you say that people with darker skin aren't capable of getting an ID?
Oh, they're capable of getting an ID to buy cigarettes or pay their taxes or play the lotto or buy a bottle of liquor.
But when it comes to voting, it would be racist to ask them to have an ID.
I mean, that's the most patronizing, racist, ridiculous argument that anybody could make.
And yet you have people seriously going on CNN and MSNBC saying that it's racist.
It's racist Republicans who want to demand voter ID. So this tells you that there are very powerful forces promoting this idea.
You know, the concept of a deep state, which that was not a term that was in the popular lexicon even a decade ago, but today it's widely understood to be operational in the United States.
Speaking of polling, the Monmouth University Polling Institute ran a poll back in, I believe it was 2017.
They found that 75% of Americans recognize that we have a deep state in this country defined as a group of unaccountable shadowy elites in the shadows trying to control government policy.
And when you realize that that's happening, right, everything is not as it seems on TV.
There is a powerful group of people who don't want legitimate elections, who do want to surrender the sovereignty of the United States, who do want to undermine the Constitution of the United States.
Then all of it makes sense. Right?
And I don't think you can understand the American political system unless you understand that we do have this.
And, you know, people talk about the entrenched bureaucracy.
Yeah, that's a big part of it.
But even beyond that, you've got groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, the weirdos at the Bohemian Grove.
These are the groups that we need to be talking about because these are the groups that are meeting in secret behind closed doors with no public record.
The CEOs, the political leadership, et cetera.
And we need to be looking at this and we need to be talking about this to find out the source of some of these claims, some of these lies, some of these very, very disingenuous systems like the fraudulent election systems that have now been put into place all across the United States.
And if we want to solve it, we have to call this out.
And I want to get into that globalist theme because I know you spoke a couple of weeks ago at the World War III conference down in Arizona.
And I've been impressed by what Karen has done with putting news around the country.
Very exciting. But for the election, I've watched U.S. media because it's more interesting than U.K. Media.
You and I've, well, I even saw a talk show recently and they talked about CNN providing uh the news that is unbiased and the whole audience laughed and then I made the comment: oh that wasn't a laughing point that wasn't a joke.
I do you think: wow you get kind of those insights that the media don't want you to see and the public are aware of what's happening and little snippets like that make you sit back and think: whoa, yes, the message is getting through.
Yeah.
And that was really telling because Stephen Colbert's audience is leftist, right?
I mean, these are the people who are on the far left fringe of the American political spectrum.
And even they are laughing at the idea that CNN is an unbiased purveyor of news.
So, you know, we all know it. And even the liberals who watch it know that it's not unbiased news.
And I think that's an important and very revealing insight into what's happening here.
It's very muchakin, people think this is strange, but it's very much akin to the Soviet Union, right? Everybody knew that Pravda was fake news.
And the people writing the news and Pravda knew that it was fake news.
And they knew that the people reading it knew that it was fake news.
So, part of it is just to create this perception. Part of it is to demoralize people.
And that is dangerous in and of itself, even though everybody knows that it's baloney, even though everybody knows that it's lies and propaganda and misinformation.
Just the fact that it's out there is actually very beneficial to the cause of tyranny that that these people are advancing.
But I do believe they will try to stop Donald Trump using any means possible to continue on this election theme.
Back in at the end of 2017, Peter, I got a phone call from Roger Stone.
He's been a very close friend of Donald Trump since the 80s.
He was actually the first advisor to ever suggest to him that he run for president.
And so he calls me up. He says, Alex, come to my house, please.
We need to talk about this.
There's less than a year into Donald Trump's presidency.
And he says, look, the deep state was the term he used is going to do anything and everything possible to stop and destroy Donald Trump.
And so he laid out the roadmap. It was to go back and read this. I published an article about it in the New American magazine, January 2nd of 2018.
It's like reading the future before it happened.
It was unbelievable.
So, he says their plan A is going to be to try to destroy him with this Russia collusion hoax. And that's ultimately going to fail because it's so obviously fraudulent.
Now, it did take out General Michael Flynn.
It helped them take down a whole bunch of Trump's closest associates. Later, they went after Paul Manafort, his campaign chair.
They ripped Roger Stone and his wife out of bed at five in the morning with the CNN clown car in tow.
They put, of course, Steve Bannon behind bars.
Now, Peter Navarro just got out.
So, they did manage to take out a lot of his people.
And that Russia collusion hoax was a big part of that.
Then Stone said, plan B, he said, plan A is not going to work, but plan B.
They're going to try to use the 25th Amendment to have him declared mentally incompetent.
And of course, that's exactly what happened.
I even spoke to some of the members of the cabinet.
They said, oh, yeah, there's a real effort to recruit us to declare Donald Trump mentally incompetent.
And Roger Stone said at that time, there are snakes in the cabinet. There are evildoers within his administration at the highest levels who will stab him in the back in a heartbeat.
But that's going to fail, too.
And then he said, this is what I use for the headline.
Deep state plan C, he said, is to just murder him, to do what they did to John F. Kennedy to take him out with a bullet if necessary.
And so when this shot was taken at Donald Trump on July 13th, that was the first thing that came to my mind. Wow. Roger Stone was right again.
That's what this was. And I continue to believe that that's what this was.
I don't believe for a second that some 20 year old punk outsmarted the most sophisticated protective agency on the face of the planet.
That's ludicrous.
Lots of evidence suggests that he was the fall guy.
He may have actually taken some shots. I don't know specifically what happened, but I know the official story we're being told makes no sense.
And so with that in mind, I believe they will go to plan D and plan E and plan F, whatever it takes.
And if that means shooting him, if that means rigging the election, if that means crashing the U.S. Economy.
If that means declaring another public health emergency of international concern or four at the same time, if that means unleashing what the World Economic Forum described last year as a poly crisis, economic crisis, cyber attack, attack, a public health crisis, all at the same time, whatever it takes.
And if they can't stop him.
They actually war-gamed this out in 2020.
They put together the Transition Integrity Project funded by George Soros.
They brought in the Podesta creeps of spirit cooking fame to help lead this.
They looked at what are the most likely scenarios here.
And in this scenario where they could not stop Donald Trump, no matter what, the election was so overwhelming and so obvious they couldn't stop him.
What did they do?
They said, hey, let's have Washington, Oregon and California secede from the union. Let's send out the terror mobs into the cities to start burning down communities and become ungovernable.
They will absolutely do that again if they have to.
So, they are determined to stop him, because they are terrified that he will undo now generations of progress from their perspective that they have made on surrendering our sovereignty, undermining our liberty, and ultimately destroying the United States of America.
So, we've got to be on alert. Election fraud is one mechanism, but it's one tool in a giant toolbox that includes a lot of other options as well.
No, completely.
And if the viewers or listeners The WarRoom Posse are involved in those efforts to make sure and clean up what's happening in your state, please continue because you have a huge part to play.
Amen
Alex, you're involved in the media, very much a media figure, you've got an assessment and every election cycle brings changes in the media; four years ago supposedly you'd Fox kind off or Trump but you'd also Newsmax you'd weigh in and you've got a number of other channels channels that people could watch on TV.
This election cycle seems to be driven by something different, and that's alternative media.
And that's risen to a level that really wasn't even there four years ago. It was certainly there, but it seems to be where people now go to get their news and information.
Do you want to just speak into that?
Because you understand the industry, history and you understand that legacy media, the alternative media, and the importance of the media that is their alternative media to actually get the message out directly to the voters.
Yeah, and that's so important to understand, Peter.
I think 2016 is when the establishment finally realized that all of their fake media combined had lost control of the narrative.
And by that, I very much include, you know, the controlled opposition media, Fox, and every once in a while they invite me on.
But, you know, controlled opposition, as far as I'm I'm concerned.
Rupert Murdoch is not a conservative.
He's not a patriot.
He doesn't love America and love God and all these things that people mistakenly assume when they hear the talking heads on Fox News.
So, 2016 was really a turning point for them.
There was a study that 92 plus percent of the network coverage of Donald Trump was negative.
Out of the top 100 newspapers in the United States, I think only two were openly endorsing Donald Trump.
The vast majority were were endorsing his opponent.
All of the cable broadcasts, including, by the way, Fox News during the primary was anti-Trump.
And yet still he demolished them. And so I did some analysis.
You know, I went to YouTube and I look, for example, at Alex Jones. Alex Jones, a very popular nationally syndicated radio host.
This guy was getting more views on his election coverage than all the fake media on YouTube combined. You could take CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, combine them together.
And Alex Jones's videos covering the election, we're getting more views than them.
And so regardless of what you think about Alex Jones, that is a devastating indictment of how seriously people take the media.
And so what was their solution? Well, demonize.
Yes.
But ultimately it was, well, we just can't have even a semblance of free speech anymore.
We can't just rig the algorithms.
Now, we've just got to go ahead and ban people completely.
So, they're at the point now where they have realized they've totally lost control of the narrative through their fake media.
And so now the alternative media, if you want to call it that, has become a hugely significant force, not just in American politics, but at the international level.
We saw this, too, during the pandemic.
People just don't believe them anymore.
The FDA is now recommending the 10th booster, I believe.
OK, less than 10 percent of Americans actually went and got their booster.
So, nobody believes the government anymore.
Nobody believes the fake media anymore.
Nobody believes the public health system, the education system.
We all know they're lying.
So, we're in a new era.
And I think what we're going to see here is, of course, efforts to increase censorship.
You guys in the UK are, of course, living through this right now.
European Union sending ridiculous letters to Elon Musk, threatening him with more lawfare.
He just doesn't interview with Donald Trump.
We're going to see a lot more of that.
The UN is now working overtime on this at the summit of the future.
They're going to hopefully, in their eyes, enshrine a bunch of these controls on free speech and the Internet into international law or at least soft law.
So, they are now working overtime to try to figure out what do we do here?
Do we just censor everybody?
Do we try to co-opt some of the alternative media?
Do we get more controlled opposition and let them say some things that we don't like?
But then when the time comes to some issue that really matters, we'll let the truth come out that there are minions.
So we've got to recognize this.
And I would encourage people also with all of that in mind, find alternative ways to communicate with neighbours, with people in your community and stop relying on the big tech companies.
Don't go to Google for your news anymore.
Find outlets that you trust like this wonderful program, like the War Room, you know, get a subscription to print magazines.
I write for the epic times of the new American magazine, find outlets that you like, and that you trust so that you don't have to go to Google or Yahoo or Bing to figure out what's going on in the world.
You've got reliable sources that you can trust.
That's going to be more important than ever in the years ahead because things are about to get really confusing.
And as I mentioned at the beginning.
I had the privilege of being on with you on your show and talking about what's happening in the UK and then across Europe with that censorship and the government using what they perceive as a few days of riots to actually clamp down and throw a thousand people in jail and hugely restrict the conversations on social media and your ability even to repost.
And the threat is even if Elon Musk may, actually, they may have an extradition attempt on him to UK. That's how crazy.
But you understand, Alex, that that's just not contained to the UK or Europe.
That same restriction and clamp down on free speech, that can happen in the US as well. And the US is not immune to that.
No, and in fact, people, there's this really pervasive myth out there, even among conservatives who should know better, that the United States is this impenetrable fortress of free speech because we have the First Amendment.
If recent events in the last few months didn't show you that that wasn't true, I don't know what will.
You had the U.S. Supreme Court agreeing that the Biden regime, I mean, they twisted themselves into pretzels to come up with a silly decision to kind of obscure what they were doing.
But they essentially said, yeah, the Biden regime can pressure big tech companies to silence anybody that they don't like on COVID or the election or anything else.
And there's even been more direct assaults on free speech that people haven't connected the dots yet.
I'll give you one example, this proliferation of what they call conversion therapy laws.
These are in place now in numerous States.
They're in place in numerous jurisdictions.
And people think this is something that applies to psychotherapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, and quacks of various shapes and sizes.
A lot of these laws are written to apply specifically to pastors and to parents.
And so they want you to think of somebody torturing a homosexual kid or a transgender kid.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
When you read these statutes, they say that any attempt to tell a person that they may not need to be involved in homosexuality, that they may not need to be involved in transgenderism, that that's conversion therapy and that is punishable under the law, in some cases with prison time.
And so what does that mean, say, for a Christian, right?
Because Christians have this habit of preaching the gospel, that Jesus Christ can save you, he can transform you, he can make you a new creation, he can replace your heart of stone with a heart of flesh.
And that would mean, by extension, that if you're stuck in some sort of sinful activity or some sort of confusing idea, that he can liberate you from that.
Well, that's conversion therapy.
So we are going to see, I believe, in this country, actual attempts to imprison pastors.
Now, before coming back to the the United States, the most recent country I lived in was Sweden.
And Sweden is really like a Petri dish where these elitists try out their crazy ideas before they spread like a cancer through the Western world.
So in 2008.
The Swedish ombudsman for justice did an investigation into the Bible, the Bible, and they posted their report, their findings online.
They said, well, it turns out the Bible is actually a violation of our hate speech laws.
He did say to his credit, it's not practical for us to ban it right now, maybe because people would think we're a fascist dictatorship.
I don't know. But he said, if we would change the words around, you know, if we could get rid of this verse, maybe replace that word, then it wouldn't be a violation of the law.
So this is the direction that things are going in Sweden.
And of course, in the United Kingdom, they throw preachers in jail.
Look up Alke Green, Pentecostal preacher.
They threw him in jail for his comments on homosexuality in a sermon in his church.
And Americans who don't think that will come here are simply not paying attention.
And we saw it during COVID. Well, you can't have church.
Church is not essential.
Abortions are essential. Your marijuana shop, your liquor store, that's essential, but you can't have church. You can just do your sermons online.
Now, suddenly the Biden administration could tell Facebook: hey, don't let anybody preach against the COVID mandates.
Don't let anybody preach against X, Y, Z.
So, free speech is in mortal danger, not just in Europe, not just in China, but even in the United States.
And now would be a real good time to pay attention because when free speech goes, it's all over.
Completely.
You mentioned conversion therapy and you did, Jesus is the king of conversion therapy, be confirmed from wherever they are to what he wants them to be but it's that thought that you mentioned Elon Musk.
And of course California and what they are going through there and Elon Musk said that was the reason that he had moved some of his officers or HQs from California and he said he had actually debated with Gavin Newsom for a year how this would be utterly destructive to families.
Now, Elon Musk, he's not a Christian at all, yet he sees the damage to that.
And I've certainly got, as I know you will, Alex, many questions about Elon, the push to the AI push, the Neuralink.
A lot of that is hugely concerning to us. Yet, when you look at Twitter and how that plays into things, he does seem to be someone who's been put here by God for a purpose.
And at the moment, that seems to be to have free conversation online.
Yeah, I think it's a really important point that you're mentioning, Peter.
I think there's a bad habit among some people on our side to attribute to the deep state characteristics and attributes that belong only to God.
And so you hear this a lot.
Well, he must be working with the evildoers because otherwise he wouldn't be allowed to exist.
And we need to, of course, be suspicious of things.
As Ronald Reagan said, you trust, but you verify, you don't just blindly trust somebody, including somebody like Elon Musk. But we don't want to fall into the trap of believing that.
Every single thing that happens is somehow being orchestrated by the deep state, the Council on Foreign Relations and things like that.
And I, for one, am very thankful that Elon Musk has arisen here and really has put a giant target on his back to defend free speech.
It would be much easier for him to just go along, go with the flow, you know, silence people that the ADL and the European Union and the Soviet Poverty Law Center want silence.
And then the advertisers will come back and you'll make more money and things like this.
It would be much easier for him to do that. And yet he has stood firm.
So yeah, of course, we've got questions. Neuralink, very disturbing.
He's involved in a number of government projects that I think people ought to be concerned about.
But on this, we've got to give credit where credit is due.
I actually stopped using X for a while, because it just became a total wasteland. I could post something and just like on Facebook, nobody would even see it.
So, why would I waste my time going there?
But he has really turned that around.
And I'm grateful because this is a way where you can reach millions of people with the truth that otherwise wouldn't have been available to us if Elon Musk had not bought this and taken it in this direction.
Completely.
Alex, I want to pick up.
I mentioned at the beginning you spoke at the World War III conference down in Arizona a couple of weeks ago, and it was the globalist war on freedom.
And that fits into certainly where the US are on the election cycle and the attack on our freedoms everywhere.
And I do think that election is one of the most important elections that we have.
Not that I believe our hope is in politics, but I believe that that is an essential election.
And it pains me to think what could happen to the US if the US are not successfulin electing President Trump.
But this globalist war, do you want to touch on that? We've seen a little bit of that in the last few days by the WHO.
I think James Roguski called it the World Homicide Organization, which I do like.
But then bringing something in, do you want to maybe talk on that?
Because you are extremely educated and understanding on the entities that are at play.
Maybe touch into that and expand on some of that for the viewers.
Well, thank you, Peter.
And there's so many different ways we could take this.
But what I wanted to do with my talk at the World War Three conference that the American Family or the American Freedom Alliance put on was really show that the CCP is not a threat in and of itself that is operating in isolation.
Really, the main takeaway from my talk was that at the highest levels of politics and business and philanthropy in the United States and across the Western world, these are people and organizations that are aiding and abetting openly the most murderous political regime that has ever existed in the history of humanity. The CCP has murdered over 100 million people.
They're of their own people, right?
What do you think they'll do to you if they take power?
They have now weaselled their way into almost absolute control of huge swaths of the architecture of global governance.
You look at the United Abominations, I mean, the United Nations, sorry, keep calling it the United Abominations.
I don't know why.
And they've got 15 specialized agencies. So I did a deep dive into this some years ago in an article for the Epoch Times and looked at these agencies.
Five out of the 15 were run by card carrying members of the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP card carrying members, Chinese nationals who are members of the CCP.
And the CCP says openly that when you are a Communist Party member, you go work in the international institutions, Interpol, Bank for International Settlements, UN, any of the specialized agencies.
You are still obligated to carry out the commands of the CCP.
In fact, the one guy, Meng Hongwei, who was leading Interpol, the self-styled international law enforcement agency, he was arrested when he went back to China. Despite his diplomatic immunity, he was arrested by the CCP.
And they said in their own propaganda media, one of the reasons why is he wasn't faithfully carrying out the orders of the CCP.
So, we have the self-styled global police led by a member of the Chinese Communist Party who was arrested by the CCP for not following their orders faithfully enough.
So you look at that, you look at this architecture of global governance, you look at the incredible support that the CCP has had from Western elites going back actually to before Chairman Mao even took power, right?
Subversives in our government betrayed our ally Chiang Kai-shek, a man who who lost huge numbers of men fighting alongside people like my grandfather against the Japanese in the Pacific.
We betrayed him. In fact, our Secretary of State and later Secretary of Defence George Marshall bragged publicly that he put an arms embargo on Chiang Kai-shek and disarmed his men with the stroke of a pen.
What did that do?
It brought Chairman Mao to power. And then at every step of the way, we built up the CCP. We, I mean, the United States government, the U.S. business community, the World Economic Forum has partnered with them for over four decades now to build them up.
The Rockefeller dynasty very, very openly has been aiding and abetting the CCP.
George Soros, one of the largest financiers of the American political process, on record in an interview with the Financial Times, said the Communist Party of China should own the New World Order in the same way that the United States owned the previous order.
He says the CCP has a better functioning government than the United States of America. This is crazy.
I mean, David Rockefeller bragged in his autobiography published about 10 years before he went to go meet his maker, which I can't imagine went very well.
But he bragged, and in his words, Peter, that he was part of a secret cabal conspiring against the best interests of his country to build a one-world political and economic structure, one-world order, if you will.
He said he's guilty and he's proud of that. So back in the 70s, he wrote in the New York Times that the social experiment under Chairman Mao in China was one of the most important and successful in human history. So the goal of my talk.
Was to show people that, yes, the CCP is a major threat to humanity.
It's a major threat to liberty.
It is a mortal danger to everything that we hold dear, including our freedom.
But you cannot understand the threat of the CCP without understanding that they have massive help from Republicans, from Democrats, from our business community, from Wall Street, from the city of London, from Berlin.
None of this would be happening if it weren't for this kind of subversive effort.
And then to bring it back to the World War Three thing, I do believe, Peter, and people think I'm crazy.
I do believe that we are potentially on the verge of a third world war.
And I don't think it matters that much to the globalists where or how exactly it materializes.
I mean, in one sense, it is an end in and of itself.
They love to see dead people.
They love children growing up without their dad.
They love this kind of stuff because they're wicked.
But it's even more than that.
Look at what happened after World War One.
We got the League of Nations right now.
The U.S. Senate very wisely said we're not participating.
So, they went back to the drawing board.
World War II brought us the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the European coal and steel community, which eventually usurped more and more power until it became what I call the European Soviet, the European Union. So at every level, war was incredibly beneficial.
It was the catalyst that allowed global governance to advance like it has.
And they put this on paper.
The U.S. State Department back in the 1970s commissioned a report by a CFR member called Lincoln Bloomfield.
It was called A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations.
And what he says in this report, the goal of the report, the State Department commissioned was to figure out how do we get to a world effectively controlled by the U.N.?
In other words, a world where the nation state is no longer the organizing unit, but where global governance has taken over.
And he concluded almost word for word that war, the threat of war and crises are the fastest catalyst to bring that about.
He said it would take hundreds of years for these trends to organically result in a world controlled by the United Nations.
But he said we can accelerate that process dramatically through war and the threat of war. So we are in major danger of another global conflagration.
The United States, the UK, we have been weakened beyond what anybody can understand. Our Navy is a joke.
Our Air Force can't even keep their jets in the sky anymore without parts made in communist China. So, we're in mortal danger as a civilization, what used to be called Christendom, what used to be called the free world. And we're in mortal danger as a country.
And as Donald Trump's National Security Council director of policy and planning, Rich Higgins, said, we now have an international coalition with high ranking friends in the United States that is determined to destroy the United States, not just as a nation, but even as an ideal.
He said, you've got communists, you've got jihadists, you've got socialists, you've got globalists all working together to destroy the United States.
And so all of it comes together. And folks, we've got to wake up. We've got to pay attention.
This is the future of your children and your grandchildren that we're talking about here.
Oh, it is.
And the globalists have kept those wars going in in Ukraine.
And of course, the West have supplied all the armaments they have on our left with zero. What could go wrong?
Pissing off Russia and giving away all your weapons.
But then the West have armed and given all those resources to Hamas. And the Taliban.
Yeah, I know.
And handed over.
We saw that demonstration of all the weaponry that America handed over.
But you've got all of those happening.
You've got a very weak West militarily. And then you've got President Trump, who seems to speak his mind, who seems to understand, who knows what he wants to do.
He has a vision. That's what you want, a leadership, someone who has a vision.
Then you've got Kamala, who just laughs.
That seems all she does. And she must be the individual that any globalist would want, any of these world entities, because she does seem to be someone who can be controlled.
I mean, we talked about the Russiagate with Trump.
I mean, you look at Kamala and you think anyone could control her, just like anyone could control Joe.
And that seems to be the danger, that she is someone who will be at the control of every foreign entity.
Yeah.
And people need to go back into her history a little bit.
I mean, her start in politics was literally sleeping her way up to the top with political leaders, starting with Willie Brown in San Francisco.
So, imagine how many skeletons are in her closet.
Imagine the levers that you have.
Even if she one day grew a conscience and said, you know what, maybe I don't want to destroy the country that gave me so much.
Maybe, I don't want to completely and utterly annihilate the one nation that has spread the gospel to the whole world, that has brought liberty and the ideas of God given rights to every corner of the planet.
Maybe I changed my mind.
All I got to do is say: oh, yeah, you remember that stuff you were doing back in 1980s, 1992, that party?
Yeah, we've got all the pictures.
You probably wouldn't want that on national TV and on the front page of The Washington Post, would you?
So get back in line.
Do what you're told. Kamala Harris is just the latest puppet. But of course, she does come from this ideological background.
She's what's known as a red diaper baby.
Both of her parents were committed Marxists. So her connections, going back to the earliest parts of her political career, just like Barack Obama, just like Joe Biden, you've got actual Marxist and communist connections at every step of the way, actual globalist connections at every step of the way.
And, you know, these people don't decide policy.
These people are puppets.
They are mouthpieces. They read their teleprompter.
That's why they don't like to do unscripted interviews.
They don't know what they're supposed to say.
And so, folks, our country is in great danger.
Ultimately, we know that God is sovereign.
God will ultimately determine how all this shakes out.
But we've got a part to play.
We've got instructions.
We've got an obligation, not just for ourselves, but for future generations, for our families, for our nations, for our churches to do the right thing.
And we'll just trust God with the results. Just to finish off.
Alex, can I ask you what your kind of, you see your central focus, you talk about a wide range of things, talked about all the global powers, those entities.
We haven't even touched on the danger of CBDCs and that control over the money supply.
We touched on the WHO and monkey pox.
You get so many, and of course, wars happening in many different parts of the world and that instability.
Your role as someone who is there informing the public it's especially over the next couple of months up until November which is vital.
How do you assess where you should put your energies when there's so many crisis happened and you could end up trying to firefight and trying to inform the public on many issues. Where kind of do you see your focus leading up to the election?
You know that's one of the best questions that anybody's ever asked me peter, so thank you for that.
No, really, really, that's such a good question, because there are so many things we could be talking about, right?
My motto as a journalist since I came to know the Lord has always been Ephesians 511, no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
And I feel blessed beyond measure that I get to expose the unfruitful works of darkness six days a week, 51 weeks out of the year. Praise the Lord for that.
So, there are a few things that I'm following very closely.
The first is, of course, education, because I believe it's the issue that transcends all the other issues.
So, my latest book, Indoctrinating Our Children to Death, just came out a few months ago. It's endorsed by Kirk Cameron, General Flynn, lots of great Americans, Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North.
So, I go through the history of the public school system. How did we get into this mess?
I do believe, Peter, that this is the most critical issue facing us as individuals, facing us as families, facing us as a church and local church communities, and also facing us as nations and even Western civilization.
This is the one issue where if we fail, everything else is lost.
And I don't mean that to be a doom monger.
I don't mean to exaggerate or to spread fear. It's just the facts.
If we lose 85% of our young children, another generation to this indoctrination happening in the government school system, it doesn't matter who wins the next election. It doesn't matter if we get the border back under control.
It doesn't matter if we rein in the mass killing of children as abortion.
None of those things are going to matter, because they've got the next generation. And we will lose on every one of these fronts going forward.
So, that has been a central focus of mine for over 10 years now.
I do encourage people to, you know, even while we're fighting all these fires, pay attention to the long game.
The other side understood this.
You know, Andrew Breitbart would say that culture is, or that politics is downstream from culture.
And that's absolutely true.
But guess what?
Culture is downstream from education.
So, that's the source of it all.
You know, sometimes Christians say, well, great commission.
Yeah, you're going to disciple the nations while losing your own children.
And explain that one to me.
So, I think that is critical for people to understand the UN is now working on overdrive to take over education around the world.
They've got the world core curriculum. All this is happening now.
And then what's happening at the UN level, Peter, is the other area of focus.
So in September, I'm gonna be going up to New York for the UN Summit of the Future, probably the biggest power grab in UN history since the UN Charter was signed.
This is monumentally important.
Nobody is talking about this.
I actually the first big article I did on this was over a year ago for The Epoch Times.
I called up the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who you'd think would have some good sense of what's going on in Congress since he oversees the budget of everything that's going on with foreign affairs.
Well, without being too critical, they didn't know much about what was going on.
So, they did, you know, they gave me a statement and we're, we don't like this or whatever.
This is hugely significant. It's the biggest power grab.
Think of it like a constitutional convention for the UN where they want to redo everything, usurp all this power. October, I'll be going down to Columbia for the UN convention on biodiversity.
You know, they, they want you to think this is about saving craters and endangered Pandas or whatever.
No, no, no, no, no.
This is about cataloguing all of the genetic code of every organism on the planet, mixing and matching it, giving it to biotech and biopharmaceutical companies to come up with new concoctions, genetically engineering all of your food and even your babies. And all this can be discerned just from reading their documents.
And then of course, in November, I am to be in Azerbaijan for the UN Climate Summit.
The climate fraud is of course the pretext that underpins so much of the tyranny that is coming down on us around the world. And then of course, January, I'll be God willing in Switzerland for the World Economic Forum and then India for a ministry project.
So, a lot of international travel in the months ahead, but I'm really keeping laser focused on what the globalists are doing through the UN and the architecture of global governance and what they're doing to our children through the government schools, because unfortunately not enough people are covering those.
We've got plenty of people covering the election, the politics, not enough people are covering those things.
So, that's what I'm going to focus on, like a laser beam for at least the next six months, Peter.
Well, there's a lot there. And obviously you can follow Alex on Twitter handle and obviously libertysentinel.org.
And that book, Indoctrinating Our Children to Death, Government, Schools, War and Faith, Family Freedom and How to Stop It.
And just on the front, Kirk Franklin says, I must read for everyone who wants to protect children, families, churches and the nation.
So, I put that to you, but Alex as always, I appreciate your time giving us an overview of what is happening worldwide.
And also what you're spending your time and energies on. So, thank you so much for joining us today.
Thanks, It's an honour and a blessing. 
 
 

The Week According To . . . Nick Buckley

Delighted to welcome back a previous guest, Nick Buckley MBE, to help us trawl through what has been happening in Communist Britain and beyond over the past seven days.Nick is a man on a mission, has a great outlook, is full of common sense approaches to societal issues and advocates personal responsibility, so we look forward to hearing his thoughts on this weeks topics...- Clown World: NHS tells staff to ask men if they're pregnant before X-rays as part of 'inclusivity' drive- Laws Of The Stupid- Pakistan Day takes over The UK- Silent prayer in 'safe zones' outside abortion clinics 'could be banned'- Donald Trump security boob sparks Secret Service investigation after agent left to breastfeed her child- When you fightback the whole ideology collapses- MET Police: Serious Concerns uncovered in latest inspection- Chanting about Allah = 18 months in jail / Stealing a £25k watch while here at the taxpayer’s expense = no jail- Indian and Nigerian nationals filled more jobs in Britain between 2019 and 2023 than UK nationals
Nick's story is an example of how anyone can enter politics and try to make a difference as an independent voice.Nick was cancelled in June 2020 from the multi award-winning charity he founded when online activists came for him for criticising Black Lives Matter. The trustees panicked, allowing Nick to be removed from his post. Within five weeks, Nick had forced the trustees to resign en-mass, and took back his role as chief executive.Nick spent two decades preventing crime and antisocial behaviour in the toughest neighbourhoods. He promotes early intervention and personal responsibility. He is also a social campaigner on the issues that keep people in poverty and feeling victimised. Nick has experience in many fields, such as youth crime, rough sleeping, knife crime and community engagement.
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Stefan Tompson - The Rise of Visegrád 24: Challenging Narratives and Shaping Public Opinion

We are delighted to welcome Stefan Thompson, founder of Visegrad 24, as he discusses his journey from public relations to media and the creation of his platform, which focuses on Central and Eastern European geopolitical issues. He critiques mainstream media for its claims of objectivity, arguing that audiences prefer transparent, value-aligned narratives. Stefan highlights key events like the migrant crisis and the Russian invasion of Ukraine that have driven interest in Visegrad 24's unique perspectives. He addresses the challenges posed by social media and clickbait culture while emphasizing the importance of quality reporting and undercover investigations. The conversation covers funding challenges, strategic growth plans for engaging content, and concerns about free speech restrictions in the UK and Europe. Ultimately, Stefan conveys a message of hope, advocating for truth and justice inspired by historical figures who resisted oppression.
Stefan Tompson is a Polish-South African PR strategist who started the Visegrad 24 account with his brother in 2020. Visegrad24 has generated 2 billion impressions on 𝕏 since October 7th.It is the most influential 𝕏 account covering the Israel-Hamas War, according to the University of Washington. Another several hundred million impressions and views across our other social media accounts. Visegrad24 also has founded and launched V24 Investigations - an undercover journalism unit to expose corruption and anti semitism in the academy and astroturf protest movements that have sprung up since Oct 7th. So far investigations have yielded high impact results on nearly a dozen college campuses including Columbia, UCLA, Berkeley, Rutgers, Queens College, and Emory University. Investigations have been cited in congressional hearings and led to firings and forced resignations
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Tommy Robinson - The Battle for Britain: Rallies, Riots and the Fight for Free Speech

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Our latest interview with Tommy Robinson covers the recent events in the UK, where Tommy talks about his interactions with various media outlets and the attacks he's facing from the government and police forces. He discusses the rallies he has organized and how they were managed peacefully despite challenges. Tommy also delves into the manipulation of mainstream media to portray the protests as far-right extremism rather than addressing the concerns of British citizens. He highlights the double standards in how the authorities handle different groups and the bias in labelling demonstrations.Tommy shares his experience of being detained under counterterrorism legislation, where he was interrogated without the right to remain silent and pressured to reveal sensitive information regarding his work as a journalist. He emphasizes the abuse of power and lack of evidence to support the accusations against him. Tommy also addresses the recent riots in Southport and the media's portrayal of him as instigating violence, which has put his life at risk.The conversation shifts to the role of social media, especially platforms like X (Twitter) and the impact of individuals like Elon Musk in supporting free speech. Tommy reflects on the support he has received from various figures and the importance of amplifying voices like his to challenge the narrative created by mainstream media. He acknowledges the danger he faces for exposing truths and the need for open discussions to combat censorship and control of information. Tommy expresses gratitude for the opportunity to tell his story, including his interview with Jordan Peterson, which he believes can contribute to a cultural revolution in Britain.
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Hearts of Oak:
And hello, Hearts of Oak. And it's wonderful to have the enemy of the state, Mr. Silenced, Mr. Tommy Robinson, back with us once again. Tommy, thanks so much for your time today.
Tommy Robinson:
I've had a bit, yeah. I've had a bit. I know.
I want to get your thoughts on what's happened in the UK over the last 10, 12 days.
And then look at the difference between the mainstream media and the alternative media. And, of course, where we are with Keir Starmer and the UK government clamping down, all of that. but you've been, I mean, I appreciate your time because I know you've been in crazy demand. What have you been, what shows have you been doing recently where people can find you?
I've done Ann Coulter. I've done Alex Stein.
I've done, I've been on Alex Jones. I've been on, I've been on loads, man. I haven't, yesterday I didn't sleep. I went all through the night doing America, America, America. I've done Fresh and Fit.
I've done, I've done so many. Which is a great opportunity because at the minute I've got I'm under a full-on attack where of total lies total lies saying I instigated that I encourage violence all these did from my sun lounger which is I fled the country because of the riots it's all lies there's no evidence to back up any word of what they're saying but they've put a massive target on me huge there's now Somalian's making videos to murder me there's men doing videos of machine guns saying they're going to kill me all of this slander and this these lies are propagated by my government and police force so every video I've put luckily I've still got a platform here on X I've been able to show people here's what they're saying and here's what I said I've called for non-violence people protests I've actually said you're moronic put the bricks down I've told older men to go get hold of the youth take their masks off they're going to go to jail they're angry young men they're angry because their country is being destroyed they're being neglected they've been forgotten they're angry and I understand their anger so I've been saying look you need to show them we had two successful rallies one on the 1st of June one on the 27th of July just before these riots we had 100,000 people there they weren't they weren't.
They weren't peaceful because, they were peaceful because we managed it. We harnessed and directed that anger into a festival of celebration and showed people, let us be your voice. What you're seeing the week after that is a rudderless ship, a total rudderless ship with no leadership and organic. They want to portray this organized far-right network. They weren't an organized far-right network. network there was individuals in towns and cities across the country coming out in the streets.
Outraged at what they've been made to watch not just for a day or a week but decades and anger spilled over so and what they've done what they've successfully done when I look at now by the government rather than have to talk about one or any issue of open border mass migration filling all the hotels not giving winter um not uh taking away from the old age pensioners when they can't can't afford their heating. They haven't had to address any of these issues, immigration, knife crime, terrorism. They've not had to talk about any of it because they've just gone far right, English feds league.
They've resurrected an organisation that's been dead for 10 years and then they've used their propaganda in the media to pump it across the whole nation that there's a hundred far right riots planned when there wasn't one. There was one peaceful demonstration planned that night in Ormshaw and it was totally peaceful. So they created this hysteria and then literally their propaganda machine of the national media run the same front page across every single newspaper in our land run the same front page about defeating the racist extremists so they managed to paint the entire situation as racial and extremism rather than concerned British citizens sick to death of being ignored so their machine and what they've done and then point it all at me so then they can justify whatever imprisonment or whatever they want to throw at me, locking people up for 26 months for shouting aggressively at police, that you can stand in the centre of London and you can stand under the platform of Hizb ut Tahrir, the prescribed terrorist organisation, and you can call for jihad and Muslim armies and the Metropolitan Police Force will put out a statement saying there's plenty of different meanings of jihad. They'll defend your right to do that, but they'll lock you up for 26 months if you shout, if you're angered by the death and murder of three young girls.
I want to get into that and obviously how you've been a target for, certainly not as much, I haven't seen this attack on you for many, many years. So this is a new, and people can obviously read your stories, Enemy of the State, the first book. You need Enemy of the State, new and improved, but that's in silenced, the second book. All the links are in the description. But can I, first of all, before how you fit into this and how you become once again a target of the state, what kind of sparked this all from last Monday for the WarRoom Posse, the US viewers who've got bits of this, your assessment from actually what happened from the beginning of last week? When this goes out on Monday, it'll be two weeks ago. Okay.
What day did the riot start in Southport? What day?
Was it the Tuesday or Wednesday after? I think. I don't know. I need to check.
Was it so I we held a rally 100 000 people the biggest gathering of patriots Britain's ever seen and we we know the infiltrators like January 6th we know that the security services would want to disrupt in fact anyone listening to this google special demonstration squad these are organizations that the British government use and they go into peaceful demonstrations and they provoke violence And they send in agitators to create the scene that they want. So they don't want a 100,000 multi-ethnic, different religions, diverse group of the British public having a voice. They don't want that. What they want is loads of people labelled as hooligans, folks on far right, who are easy to dismiss, which means all of their policy failures, they do not have to have a discussion about. But they've met that they've seen what we've done we have combined men and what our instruction was to the men of England and Britain who were on the streets at both of our demonstrations if anyone turns up with face coverings we will confront them ourselves so we within our own crowd if you get four or five men because they can't do it bare face because people find out who the security service are who they're because they'll get found out now within there so every one of these like Like in America, like here, like Antifa, like all these groups, they dress in total black, all black, and then they go smash things up and they provoke a riot.
But it was impossible to do that on our demonstrations because we put out the instructions to all of our lads from all over the country. Every football club had representations there. We had the tough men from England.
The instruction was if anyone turns up with their face covering, pull their face covering off and pull them up and say, what are you doing? If anyone tries to instigate violence, we'll deal with them.
And we told the police this in the build up to the meeting. So you're not going to be needed because if anyone comes there for violence, we will sort them out because we're not going to allow them to commit violence in our name, our demonstration. And we and that would have sent a message to the establishment that would have scared them they were terrified that they couldn't control how this group were portrayed and the reason they couldn't control it because even though the mainstream media on the day of the 27th and the day of the 1st of June where there was no arrest no trouble no violence even though they pumped headlines saying football hooligans fucked we had nearly a million people watching each one live on X and we invited and gave press passes to every citizen journalist there is every rising star of citizen journalists they were who we focused on we give them the we give them first treatment we told the mainstream go away yeah you're not welcome here okay because you're just gonna lie we know what you're here to do so that day both those days which they can't control very fast across all social medias and everywhere was a real portrayal of our movement which was a beautiful coming together to celebrate British culture and British identity it wasn't far right it wasn't racism wasn't fucked and their weapon of the media wasn't successful in demonizing targeting us so we had these events we went from 30,000 to 100,000 I guarantee the next one will be 250,000 so what do they do at that point what do they do well I probably get to the docks the next day.
So we're talking about Sunday and I'm detained under counterterrorism legislation, so I'm detained.
I think you're a terrorist that was new to me Tommy
New to me mate no no No, in fact, let me tell you their words. The officers who detained me, first thing they done was took my phone and they said, you're not under arrest, but this legislation means you're detained. So I said, am I free to go? No, you're not. They said, but this is what matters. You do not have a right to remain silent. You have no right. So they showed me the legislation paperwork and what it says, as they read it out, is we believe that you may be in the preparation or involved in a preparation investigation of terrorism. And then they said, we don't. We know you're not. Both of them said it. We know you're not. But this legislation gives us the opportunity at airports and borders to put you in for six hours we've got from the start of when we started interviewing you. We have six hours. You do not have a right to remain silent. And they'd already taken my phone. So and to make you aware, you have to give us the the password on your phone so we can download every bit of data from it.
And I said, and I was upset. I was obviously pissed off. I said, you've got genuine terrorists that you're not monitoring. Genuine people flying terrorist organisation flags across our capital since October 7th that you're not prosecuting. But here you've got me, and I'm sat here now under terrorism legislation.
And then they start asking me questions. So then they sit me down. They take me in. They sit me down. And then they start asking me questions. Questions such as, what's the next stage of planning for your movement? I said, so I have to answer this. So what happens if I don't answer this? If you don't answer this, you're guilty of a terrorism offence.
So it's basically a fishing expedition to find out what you're up to.
Total fishing expedition to find out what I'm up to, who's involved, what our plans are. Which I said, one of their questions is, what's your opinion of the UK? I said, honestly, a totalitarian shithole. That's what my opinion is. And they said, well, can you explain that? I said, I'm sat here under counter-terrorism legislation, and you know I'm not a terrorist. Is you've got me in here so you can ask me questions about my legal lawful activity and work as a journalist so you can dig which is not which is not you're you're absolutely abusing your rights here you're abusing your power and you're taking my rights away from me but I went through and I had to answer their questions one of the questions was how do you think you're going to stop the great replacement so is this is this for real yeah is this actually for real and then Another question was, why can't there be a two-state solution in Palestine?
I just said, but I kept asking him the questions. I said, okay, would you give ISIS a statement?
Simple question, would you support a state for ISIS to be in total governance and control of? If the answer's no. And then, so we're going back and forward.
Six hours they groomed me for, six hours, yeah. Then they come in and said, right, we're giving you an opportunity. And by this time, because they'd sat me there for an hour first before the interview, I'd read their paperwork. Now, they weren't allowed to question me on anything that would reveal sources of information for my journalism, because they're not allowed to know your sources. At which point, when they said, give us a pin code for your phone, I said, you know, I'm a journalist. I'm a full time journalist. You know, that's my work phone.
So every bit of information that's on it, you're not having. And I'm explaining to them, I said, let me tell you why you're not having it. Because I have dealt with grooming gang, which is Islamic jihad rape gangs, yeah? I have dealt with the survivors of them to put together a five-part series so far, and I'm working on episode six. Episode six, we expose a politician, one of your Labour politicians, who's involved, yeah? So we have covert recordings. We all set up for my work. Also, these girls don't trust you, but they put their trust in me. So they want to have a voice. The reason why they don't trust you is because we've already exposed your senior ranking police officer in Telford was taking money off the gangs. We've done that in episode two or episode one. We've also, we know from government reports now that your police officers were destroying evidence in Rotherham. We know that they were collapsing cases in Manchester after the death of a 15-year-old girl. We know that your officers have cooperated and operated to conspire to hide these cases and these facts that's a fact that's not my opinion that's a fact so what you're asking have any.
Police been prosecuted for the evidence you produce in those films none they haven't even
Done it no they've ignored it so the mainstream media of course none and then even they said I said now in one of our episodes that we showed you in telford your police gave the gangs the location of the girl. So you want me to give you the pin code for my phone? I'm just saying this out loud so you understand how ridiculous this is. You want me to endanger the sources of information because that's what it's going to do. You're going to put it on your little computer system that every Muslim police officer in the country has access to. I said, I'm sorry, lads. I'm not willing to do that.
And I don't believe you have a right to do that because you know I'm a journalist. So I'm not giving you the pin code for my phone. well now we're going to move from detaining you to arresting you you're arrested under blah blah blah the terrorism act and you will now be transferred to a police station to undergo to to undergo interview under caution and you will then be charged so I said okay so be it then that's that's how I'm not and again if this is meant to be worrying for me you need if you want to prosecute me as a terrorist you prosecute me as a terrorist I'm not going to let these girls down and I'm not going to let any source of information down that's helped me expose your corruption or politicians corruption especially and then there are even they asked me so but and I said information on that phone is legally privileged I'm back and forward you're prosecuting me as you know for contempt of court I have information on there about my case going back and forward with my lawyer and they asked me in the interview in the interview they asked me I had a case um Justice Nicklin where so basically they're doing me for contempt of Court for showing a film. Now, new evidence has come to light since the conviction that Justice Nicklin fell out with his own father, who's a supporter of me.
So they would love access to my phone. Of course they would, yeah? Because they're preparing to send me to jail for a film which has now had 42 million views. So they're pretty upset, yeah? But so I said, this is counterterrorism. So they then transferred me to a police station where I'm waiting for my lawyer. I then underwent an interview where I explained exactly the same again. You are not having access to my privileged information and you're not having access to sources of information. So I'm sorry, you're not going to have access to my phone. At which point, and my solicitor had been told I was being charged. I'd been told I was being charged because it's pretty black and white. If you don't give them your PIN code, you're guilty. So this was.
On the Sunday. They want to charge you after their six hours of terrorism investigation.
And they took me at eight in the morning, half eight in the morning. And by the time I got to interview, so I'd had six hours, and I'm at a police station. They put me back in the cell after interview, and I'm waiting to be charged and get my court date. And they're obviously outside. I don't know what's going on outside of the cells, but this is blowing up. People are outside down the street, I believe. There's 7 million views on the fact I've been arrested on X, which again, remember, if we didn't have X, they'd have total control of the narrative.
So they could tell people what they want. And I saw the interview with Nigel Farage. And this is the problem. When you elect politicians who are supposed to represent the people and supposed to be counter to the establishment, room he just parrots the establishment's message every time every time so his own reform voters would have been contacting his party they've got five five members saying this is an abuse of power yeah which it totally is and when Nigel Farage was interviewed on trigonometry he said well we got told it was due to terrorism but it wasn't it was a passport violation well that's nonsense and he knows that's nonsense because our forms as soon as I got out so I get out at 11 o'clock at 11.
Morning to night.
Morning to night. And they didn't charge me. So my solicitor said, something's gone on here.
We know you were getting charged that why haven't they charged you? And I don't think they charged me because the embarrassment of it. And because actually, because I'm a journalist, it's a very difficult case for them because you can't have access to my work phone. Yeah.
And this is going to go to court if you charge me. The public are going to watch it. You're going to have to admit what you've already said is that you know I'm not a terrorist. You know I'm not involved in terrorism. So you're blatantly abusing the powers that you have. Now, the problem is, it's like the Patriots Act in the United States. They we have mass problems from open border immigration so they bring in ideologies that wish to destroy our nation destroy our people they act in a certain way jihad bombs beheadings stabbings they do all this then the government bring in new law and legislation which they tell us is to tackle them but then they use it to tackle anyone who embarrasses them or challenges their narrative or exposes their own corruption so that's what they're doing and that's what this was and I was bailed unconditional bail so there's been a lot of talk that I fled the country because of the riots so let's just get the timeline in frame here yeah I'm at a demonstration on Saturday I'm meant to have been out of the country on the sun no I'm at a demonstration on Sunday Saturday I should have been leaving the country Saturday morning I had a pre-planned holiday booked 18 months prior to this with my three children yeah so i wasn't fleeing the country because of riots, because they hadn't started yet, yeah? And the police took my phone. So when I left the country on the Sunday, I had no phone.
So then I've left the country. I've gone all the way through France. I was dropping a car off. That was what I was doing. I was getting paid to drop a car off to someone, to my friend, for him, into the south of Spain. So I'm driving. It's not until I even get into Spain that I pick up a phone. I pick up a phone, and then I'm able to take my arrest sheet out, my bail conditions out, my bail forms out.
So Nigel Farage, before he makes this video, and if I'm led to believe that he hasn't researched this before talking about it or he hasn't seen the social media posts he's even mistaken or he's an out and out liar right and what I believe is that he's too much of a coward to have a discussion just like I know he come out in the end and challenged the banks closing people's banks but he didn't do it for nine years we had our I had my bank accounts closed in 2009 they all knew this they knew the treatment we're receiving and it's always it's me today it's you tomorrow so stop me under terrorist legislation let them get away with this abuse of power and you know what I covered, journalistically, a similar case to this on Paul Golding from Britain First. He travelled to Russia. When he landed, they abused the power exactly like this. I went to his case because I said, if they do it to him, they'll do it to us. And I went and listened to his case, and they accepted in that case they knew he wasn't a terrorist. So it's a total abuse, but he still was convicted of terror offenses.
Paul Golding is convicted of terror offenses for refusing to give the government and the police access to his phone and computers, right? It's a total liberty. They know he's not. Now, this legislation was only brought in in case, say, they know there's going to be a terrorist attack. There's been a terrorist attack here. They know other terrorists are in the knowledge of where the next attack is. They detain them. Then they have this legislation that means you can't remain inside them because you've got to tell us because we need to save lives, yeah? That's what it was brought in for. Not this. not to ask people about their lawful political movement or their demonstrations or their organisation or their cultural movement because that's what they asked me for they grilled me for six hours everything to do with this so now I've been released, At the same time as this, then I think the next day or whatever, three little girls have been butchered to death and a dozen have been snapped.
And let me say, six, seven, and nine, three little girls, and that was on the Monday, yes, the day after your... So that obviously...
If it was on the Monday, I didn't even have a phone. I didn't even have a phone. So whenever that attack was, I didn't even own a phone. So I couldn't go on the internet, I couldn't message back if it happened on the Monday. I don't know what day. Let me have a look what day. Can I look now quickly?
I think it was Monday. I think it was Monday the 29th. I think.
I didn't have a phone. I didn't have a phone. It's impossible for me to have a phone because I was driving. I drove for 20 hours. Yeah. I drove the whole way. So I didn't have a phone, man, if that was when it happened. Yeah. But somehow, somehow, the media are saying I'm orchestrated. So these attacks happened in Southport. Now, when you're saying, so your viewers understand, Southport is a close-knit, working-class community. I spoke to one, a few days after the attack, I spoke to one uncle of a girl who was stabbed.
He described that when the man come into the classroom, this girl must have been coming back from the toilet or something. His niece, it was his niece. He grabbed her by the hair, stabbed her straight for her face. So he destroyed her forever. Stabbed her for her face. Stabbed her took her bicep off stabbed her in the body dropped her like a bit of meat yeah gone on to the room started stabbing them all but he thought she's dead then he's gone on so this one man this uncle of this child he said tommy you gotta understand that happened to one side the family on my other side the family it was the god door one of the god doors was murdered seven years old, stabbed seven times. So imagine the anger, the frustration, the boiling over. So the local community have come out for a vigil for these goers. So all the men in this town are at vigil. Now, it's impossible to have been organised by any group. It's a vigil.
So they're at this vigil, and then word spreads because what visibly looks like an Arab has been detained with a balaclava and a knife in the road around the corner. There's a video of the man being arrested. He's got a big knife. So word spreads.
Bearing in mind the tensions that are already there, the frustrations that are already there, the fact I believe that the government or the police come out and said it wasn't a terrorist attack after about an hour. And everyone's like, how can you possibly know that? and bearing in mind so your viewers understand a day or two or three before this a soldier in full military uniform has walked out of his barracks and a migrant who's been in the country about six months gets off a motorbike and runs over and butchers him stabs him and stabs him and stabs him this doesn't really make British news okay the controlled media it doesn't really make the news and as the wife comes out and tries to help her husband and as other people do this migrant doesn't stab anyone.
Only targets the man in military uniform. We've seen exactly this previously with Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo, a Nigerian convert to Islam, someone we previously made videos about and warned about, him and another Nigerian convert stabbed to death Lee Rigby, and they behead him in the street. Again, they don't stab any passers-by, because what they say in their view is he was a fair and legitimate target of war because he was in a British uniform for military. So when we've seen this one we're then told that this mental health episode was it was mental health so that the man who was totally mentally ill only chose the soldier to stab yeah and there was no political or ideological motivation for that attack now I'm sorry we don't buy it I don't buy it the British public don't buy it so and I'll get I'll tell you why we don't buy I'll tell you my reason why I don't believe them and and what they said after the murder of the three girls is when We're managing the situation of what's told. They're managing. Now, in 2016, and I ask anyone listening to this, go on your computer and Google Russell Square attack.
If you're in America, one of your citizens was butchered to death in this attack. You won't see it under the terrorist attack list because they didn't class it as a terrorist attack. So a Muslim went in to his mosque, which was nowhere near Russell Square. He goes into his mosque and he says he wants to kill non-Muslims. Now, rather than bring the security services to the police, his imam said a prayer for him.
They prayed for him, okay? There's a process they're meant to follow if there's extremists within the mosque, and that's called the prevent strategy, which is by our government. They didn't do that. So they should have faced prosecution, but they prayed for him. He then left Brussels Square, mentally ill, didn't establish Muslims, where his area where he lived was all Muslims. He went into the area of tourists and non-Muslims, and he butchers seven people, one of them dying, American tourists, And in between butchering each person, he screams, Allah Akbar. Yeah.
Which we're told means hallelujah in Islam. It couldn't be further from the truth.
Well, guess what? This wasn't a terrorist attack either. This was an episode of mental health. There's another case where a Muslim. How come these Muslims who keep committing murder when they're having mental health, how come they only target non-Muslims in those mental health episodes? sons. There's another case. A grandma had her head cut off in a garden in London. In London, she's 88 years old. She's beheaded. Whilst he was screaming, Allah Akbar. But of course, this wasn't a case of terrorism either. So when, and look, this may have been an episode of mental health. He targeted a Taylor Swift concert. I think we've just had another Taylor Swift concert. Two or three Muslims have been arrested who were planning to blow up and kill and stab have children again at a Taylor Swift concert in Austria within the same two weeks. So the local community around, they're angry, they're upset, they're broken hearted, they're grieving. Another Arab, an identified Arab, looks like an Arab, has been caught with a knife and screwdriver and their frustration boils over into total fury. And then as they riot with the police...
That night, a statement's given by the police saying that it was the English Defence League. Now, as soon as I saw this, I knew. As soon as I saw this, I knew what was coming. I knew. I know what they're doing. I know now what they're doing. I know what's going to happen from this. So I knew. Well, the English Defence League, and so your listeners understand, I started the English Defence League in 2009. And I left it in 2014. By 2015, it was gone. Now, if you want to check out Google searches, yeah, because they're trying to hide all this, Since 2017, it hasn't been mentioned. Do you know why it hasn't been mentioned? Because there is no organisation called the English Defence League. So for the lead police officer to say it was the English Defence League is a total falsehood and a total lie and a total manipulation of the truth. The truth is that the British public are furious of mass open border immigration.
Endangerment of their women, their daughters and their safety.
The rapes have gone on up and down our country. the migrants have been invited in and continually raping and killing from these hotels as well they're in the hotels so this developed into a riot watch my video so they keep saying I've instigated the riots and I've called for violence and attacks against mosques there's that but they don't quote any evidence or show any video footage or any quotes of what I've said in fact what they use is evidence that I've done that is one tweet where I said mass deportations needed now I'm not going to apologize for saying mass deportation is needed because they are needed every one of these migrant men who have come through 16 safe countries into our country who are economic migrants not refugees they're illegally entered our country so they broke the law anyway they're not here for safety because they were safe in France they were safe in every other country they went here they're here for economical reasons yeah many of them many of them and they're not there's not women and children we're not talking about families here and it would be a different conversation if we was we're talking about fighting age military men who we know nothing about criminal records ideologies are they members of ISIS were they members of ISIS how do they we don't know anything but then they're not just born in this country but they're plumped into hotels in every town city and they're done at a time when the British public are suffering they're suffering financially as a country economically can't get a dentist appointment people are pulling their own teeth out can't see a doctor the NHS rate list is ridiculous cancer page after Covid after they after that other manipulation of the truth all of these things have wound up the British public yeah they've been.
Crying out for help and they've been ignored and every time they try to have a voice.
Like that this evening Southport families have come out men have come out they're.
All called far-right racists and that's what the automatic go-to was far-right extremists English feds league and then since then it's been directed at me.
Everything's been directed at me doesn't matter what I've said you know what it doesn't matter I've said If you go and search my name now on TikTok, you can't find one video. You search my name on Instagram, you can't find one video. Facebook can't find one video. So whilst they delete the truth of what I've been saying, they use the propaganda and their weaponized media to flood every day for the last seven days, every day.
Every talk show, every radio host. And once they started that lie, but Piers Morgan's done a video again saying that I have called for violent attacks against mosques. Now, what does that do when someone lies like that on such a high profile show with Andrew Tate that goes to tens of millions of people? Somalians are now making videos calling for my death and saying they're going to murder me. They've directed so much hate at me. And what it does is to protect their policy failures. People are upset because you, your failure of open border immigration has destroyed the cohesion of our country and our towns and cities people feel like foreigners in their own land you've destroyed it and you wish to continue to shut the public up until it's too late and basically what the labour government have come out since this has said is you will be replaced shut up and sit down and if you don't shut up and sit down we'll put you in jail yeah if you say mean hurty words online we're going to lock you up as well so and they've made I believe direct messages to me talking about people who are abroad who think they can fan, I'm sorry, but give the British public the reality of the situation in their country. He's not fanning the flames.
It's reality. I want to pick up just on two of those because I know time is short. But let me just, two quick things. One, how social media has worked. And watching Elon Musk coming out and actually going head to head with two-tier care and highlighting what's happening. And when he was threatened by the Labour government, he just started just reposting all the videos. On the other side you've got the the lamestream media actually putting something different but what does that mean because your voice is amplified on twitter and it is Elon Musk for all the the other negative side maybe stuff he's done actually he is a free speech advocate absolute free speech and he seems to be the main opposition to the labour government
Would we do without X currently what would it look like about X well what it would look like is Muslims have rioted for seven days they've walked around with machetes swords baseball bats poles they've savagely beaten English people on the floor who are innocent going home from work none of you would even know any of that because no mainstream media have bought it they've totally gone with a totally different narrative yeah they're painting a totally different picture of the reality of what's been going on over the last seven days yeah they're painting a picture of far-right white racists, rather than concerned parents. They've totally manipulated the entire situation, and every mainstream media has been part of that. Now, the reason why they hate us, citizen journalists, is because we're giving the public, here's what's happening. Now, if there wasn't an X and there wasn't an Elon Musk, people, we're already under total communist control. That's the reality. There is no freedom of speech. There's none in Great Britain. For the last five years, remember, I made a video showing, here's what I said, here's what they're saying, I said, on X this week, it's had 7 million views. And those 7 million people can see the total lies they're telling.
But if I didn't have X, people would just believe that I've instigated and I've coordinated and I've sent my foot soldiers to burn the country. Because that's what they've been told. There's no evidence to it. But that is the power of the media. Now, the one sticking thing in their way at the minute is Twitter, X, and Elon Musk. And Elon Musk, I think, will be remembered not for sending things to space, not for Tesla, not for any of these things. I think in history, he's going to be remembered at the forefront of the battle for freedom of speech. If they take our speech, which they've took, they've already took it. We're fighting back to get it through X, but they took it for five years. They control everything you've seen here. And the mass awakening that's happened since their COVID lies is people realize when we were censored, they justified it because we're talking against Islam. We must be extreme racists. But then their censorship spread to doctors, nurses and scientists. So the mass awakening of the public to make people question what they're being told spread as well and that has created a mass mass awakening who do not trust the media in anything they say basically if you read the story and my film, the reason why they're so upset my film that's on 42 million views now totally, 100%, exposes the corruption of the British judiciary and what the American audience and anyone watching this, this film is bigger than my story.
This is what they're doing to Donald Trump. This is the weaponization of the media. So they can't get you one way. They'll use the media to destroy you. If that doesn't work, if the public is still siding with you, then they'll use their corrupt judiciary without a jury, which is what they keep doing to me. No jury. Bring me into court. It doesn't matter what evidence you bring to court. So I'm watching now. And yes, I'm worried. I'm watching now as they tell the world I've instigated riots. And I'm thinking, they're going to lock me up. There's no evidence. But they don't need evidence.
I know that. I've been through their system. I know what this does.
I know what they're doing. I can see it. I Googled my name this morning, Peter, and looked at articles for the last 24 hours and could not believe what I'm reading. I can't believe what I'm reading. Now, this then, so this is their attack, but will it have the adverse effect whilst we've got social media? Because there's now 20 million, 30 million, I think 50 million people a day reading my messaging. Yeah they're people who are seeing the lies they're exposing themselves through this so yeah I'm their target but am i the target you're the target everyone listens to this it's you yet they want to take get rid of me because they want to control what you see they want to tell you how to think and what to think about certain characters and people and ideas they want total and out of control and at the minute Elon Musk is in their way now you saw the attempt on Donald Trump's the assassination attempt. He shouldn't be here. I think that's headed for Elon Musk, because Elon Musk is in the way. The reason why he's in the way is because with free speech, with citizen journalism, we can expose them. We can bring them down. We have the power to awaken the world.
We was, with 100,000 people on the street and a million people watching live on the 27th of July, we're on the verge of a cultural revolution in Great Britain. They have to do this. What you're seeing now, but there's a borderline. There's a borderline between coming down hard on us and creating a martyr. And they're going to go, I believe their stupidity is going to create a martyr in myself. That's what I believe, yeah? Not good for me. Not good at all.
Not good at all.
But for our cause...
I just want to finish off with one thing about the support you've had, because I've been intrigued and you've gone through different phases. And I've had the privilege of knowing you back 17, 18 years ago when I first met you. But actually, you've had times where huge support and times where you've been pushed on and the state has been winning for a while. But actually seeing people like Carl Benjamin, seeing people like Mahar Tousi, seeing people like Lawrence Fox, seeing people like Calvin Robinson. And that was one thing of seeing people standing up and supporting you who maybe are regarded as a little bit more mainstream. And that's not a negative term at all to them. And that's been super. But then actually watching your interview with Jordan Peterson, I watched the whole interview with you and Jordan and Tammy. And the interesting thing was whenever he interviewed Elon Musk, it was Jordan interviewing Jordan. And Elon didn't really get much to say. whenever Jordan was interviewing you you had 90% of the time and that showed he was genuinely Interested in your story and wants to do a part two and whenever you've got people like that amplifying your voice and what you're doing to me that shows that actually we're winning and actually we can win this thing
To me I was so grateful that Jordan Peterson gave me that opportunity to tell my story and I'm very grateful because I believe my life's currently in danger yeah I believe my life is in danger for telling the truth for waking them people for showing the public what they're not showing you yeah and Jordan Peterson sitting down with me I've watched him for years he's a very influential man he he didn't have to do that and Jordan Peterson doesn't have to cover these topics Jordan Peterson is a very successful intelligent man who could go into and lead a very comfortable life so I have massive respect and admiration for anyone who decides to put their face on the forefront, take risk of sitting down with people who they don't. And this isn't to think that Jordan Peterson agrees with me on everything I stand for, because he said to me he doesn't, yeah? And that's the same with everyone. But to sit down and have open discussions is what we need. We need massive open discussions. We need more speech, not less of it. We don't need you to control our speech. The public aren't stupid. If I'm wrong, it's like when this judge tried to hide this film. Well, if it's such a clear-cut case, why don't you let the public see the evidence? Why do you need to hide it?
And 42 million people have watched that film. I guarantee you there's not one. The public now know that I was prosecuted. I was bankrupt. All on a lie. My only crime is telling the truth. That's my crime. And if you want to send me to jail for telling the truth, then you do that. Because that's going to say more about you. And I'm lucky now. Am I lucky? I'm lucky that 42 million people have watched it. So I know, no matter what happens here, Because last time when they convicted me of this case, they just used their weapon, the media, to tell everyone I lied. Well, now, that narrative ain't going to wash. You can't do that this time. You want to send me to jail? Everyone knows the soldier truth. 42 million people, 52 million, 62 million, 100 million people by the time you get me in a prison cell. 100 million people. So for me, success. Success. Well, not for me personally. For my cause. My cause is about, and this is.
Even like Nigel
Farage. I believe Nigel, Nigel, speak up. And like, I think he wants to be part of the establishment.
I want to bring the establishment down. Yeah. I want to bring them down. So I want to bring their fraudulent, corrupt politicians, the sell-outs, sell-outs to the new world order, sell-outs to the World Economic Forum, sell-outs. None of the, they're not working for the interest of the British public. So, but yeah. Anyway, Pete, I think I've got my next one.
 

The Week According To . . . David Kurten

This episode we are joined by the leader of The Heritage Party, David Kurten to discuss what is going on, and what is going wrong in the UK.David is full of common sense and fearless in his use of free speech so we dig a little deeper into some headlines from around the world and what he has been posting on his fantastic X/Twitter account in response to the chaos we have seen since 'Two Tier Keir' and The Labour Party have taken control of the UK government.Topics up for discussion...- If Nick Lowles of Hate Not Hope is not arrested and charged with inaccurate social media posting, it is proof of two-tier policing under the Starmer regime- This is Ridiculous: Women arrested in conjunction with 'inaccurate' media posts- The Starmer Regime is Repugnant: It is deplorable that a man has been jailed for more than 2 years for shouting and gesticulating at police, when paedophiles and rapists often get less time in jail and sometimes only community service- The UK Has Fallen: Authorities will round up and charge citizens who RETWEET any material deemed as "inciting hatred"- The Woke Stasi: Elon Musk joins the UK debate - Russia struggles to repel deep incursion by Ukraine- Tampon Tim: Republicans attack Kamala’s VP pick over his record on trans rights and George Floyd riots- The UK is now seeing Soviet levels of propaganda with fake stories- The Fabian / WEF Young Global Leader that is currently occupying the position of UK Home Secretary is to spend £29,400,000 of British people's money to 'protect mosques' after the murder of three white children in Southport- What nonsense is this? It was not a 'tragic incident' - it was a mass murder.
David Kurten is the leader of the Heritage Party, a political party in the UK which stands for free speech, traditional family values, national sovereignty, and defending our culture and heritage against extreme political correctness and ‘woke’ ideology.He was a London Assembly Member from 2016 to 2021.Before entering politics, David was a Chemistry teacher and taught in high schools in the UK, Botswana, Bosnia-Herzegovina, the USA and Bermuda.
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Recorded  9.8.24
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Fr Calvin Robinson - Beyond Headlines and Protests: A Call for Unity and Understanding

Fr Calvin Robinson returns to Hearts of Oak to reflect on recent events in the UK, emphasising the importance of unity and common sense discussions amidst rising anger and protests. Calvin discusses the role of media in shaping narratives and advocates for accurate reporting. He stresses the need for righteous indignation without violence and raises concerns about the government's response to current issues. Fr Calvin highlights patriotism, British identity, challenges of mass immigration, and the role of churches in addressing spiritual needs. Encouraging critical thinking and spiritual awareness, he urges prayer, reflection, and deeper faith connections in facing societal challenges.
The Rev'd Fr Calvin Robinson is a political adviser, TV anchor, radio presenter, conservative commentator and parish priest.A priest with Old Catholic orders, serving in an Anglican parish.Founding member of the Anglo-Catholic confraternity, Brotherhood of the Holy Trinity.
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Interview recorded  5.8.24
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, hearts of oak.
I am delighted to have a good friend of ours, and that is Father Calvin Robinson.
Calvin, thank you so much for your time today, as always.
(Fr Calvin Robinson)
Peter, it is always a pleasure.
thanks for having me on.
Although, the thing is, we're pre-recording this, so by the time this goes up, the country might not even still be here.
It could be, we could be both in the States by then.
Who knows what happens by Thursday?
Or locked up.
But there's literally so much to discuss.
And you and I both talked prior to recording this about the interest in the US of what is happening here.
And lots of media slots for both of us on the US side as they see what is happening.
Happening but over the last week from last Monday from the individual I will get into that actually stabbing three girls killing them and a number of others being severely I think there was about 11 who were injured in that we have seen since last Tuesday a rise of individuals, very angry at what has been happening and there's lots of point of conversation in this.
But can I ask you just first generally what have your thoughts been um as a brit living here what is happening over the last week in the UK.
That's a big opening question.
I don't feel safe. I just today as we're recording this moved out of Cambridge moved over to Oxford and on the way I was thinking I don't feel safe.
I don't want to go into London. I don't want to go into the city.
I don't want to be around where there are big gatherings of people I don't feel like I'm safe.
Now I shouldn't feel like that in my own country.
Why do I feel like that?
Well, there's a two-pronged approach here.
On the one hand the prime minister seems to be stoking the flames he's doing everything he can to make things worse it's bizarre.
I've never seen anything like it.
Every single press statement he releases or at least has released over the last few days has been: this is all a fault of of the far right and the agitators online, and he's basically pointed fingers at Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, you, me, and people who are pointing out the problem.
But this has been the problem; these are we're problem a lot here, but the problem all along has been that people who point out the problem are perceived as the problem rather than the problem itself.
So, you on the one hand we've got the government saying things like we're going to clamp down on these these far-right thugs.
We are the far-right thugs and their online agitators for all that's us.
And then on the other hand we've got the Muhammadans out there with the machetes and the planks of wood beating Britain's left right and centre, and so I don't know if I'm going to get arrested by the state or beat to death by a Muhammadan.
What, so how do you, because you have a responsibility as someone who is a high profile individual in the media, and I feel I have a responsibility of someone who's less high profile in the media than yourself.
But we have responsibility to discuss what is happening and not to throw petrol on the fire, but to have a conversation of what is happening to bring some common sense, but not to ramp up for the sense of clickbait which I think is a danger in the media. So how do you; you've got a a number of different hats.
Let's stick your media hat on, how do you see it in terms of media?
Well, we do have to report on events, we have to cover the events of course, we don't have to we have to not stoke the events, but my my personal message is be angry.
We should be angry.
We should have righteous indignation, but we should not be violent.
We as brits are not violent we're civilized people and actually we want to protect our country.
The reason we're angry is because we feel the establishment is disconnected from us, working against us, and have imported a hostile force who hates us and want to kill us and replace us.
And so we're angry on two fronts, but we're angry because the other people are violent, not because we're violent.
So, we don't meet violence with violence.
And so my message over this past few days has been, do not resort to violence. Because actually, I think we're being stirred up for a reason.
I honestly believe the government cannot be this incompetent they must be riling people up in order to clamp down on our freedoms we're already seeing, you know, there was a conflict of interest in the media this week.
Where we had former minister Ed Balls on Good Morning Britain interviewing his wife Yvette Cooper who happens to be the home secretary.
Having a very cordial conversation about clamping down on Twitter and clearly Twitter is the only free speech platform we have left, you know, we've got rumble in the video space, but in social media space we've only got Twitter.
So, if they clamp on twitter they control the narrative and all they have to do to clamp down on Twitter is say; well these these riots are being stirred up by by Peter and Calvin and Tommy and Nigel therefore we've got to stop them talking.
The prime minister was lost a question by the media again as we record today should Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate be allowed on social media.
Should they be allowed on social? Should they be allowed to have a voice?
It's absolutely crazy the conversations that are being had right now and so of course the far left who think themselves to be reasonable centrists are saying well no of course they shouldn't we should stop all these people.
These people are the problem, but they will even if they do manage to censor us they will never realize that we are just highlighting the problem.
We are not the problem itself, the problem is still festering. Those people out with the sticks and machetes are not your everyday ordinary common British folk.
So, the problem for our war room posse and our US audience who may not get what's happening is that last Monday, three girls were murdered and many others were injured at, I think, a Taylor Swift kind of concert event in a school. And this individual has now been arrested.
Details put out. And but it's so that's the situation we find ourselves in to this event, which seems to have been the spark that has angered people.
Why have people been angered at that?
Is it the event?
Is it the response? Is the media? How has that been the spark that set off this anger that we've seen across the UK, even to Northern Ireland, which surprises me?
When you have the nationalists and the Republicans, the Protestants and the Catholics, Irish flag and Northern Irish flag together, I don't think I've ever seen that in all my time.
So, it's been something that's unified people.
What has it been about this event that's actually unified people and got them angry?
First of all that unity is great to see.
This is... So, God takes bad things and turns them into good. He takes evil events and works them for good.
That's what we're seeing here; the Catholics and the Protestants marching arm by arm in arm side by side.
I honestly have never thought I'd see the day in Northern Ireland that's amazing, but it's coming from and you're right this this one incident is a spark, but it's almost a catalyst.
It didn't start the whole thing.
You know, we saw riots in Leeds and in Whitechapel before this incident as well.
So, it's been stirring up for a while.
And actually, the three girls, Alice, Elsie, and Bebe, were –, It destroys us.
It breaks our hearts.
As Brits, we take the lives of innocents and the vulnerable seriously, and we believe in the sanctity of life, and we want to protect the vulnerable and the innocent.
So, when three girls are murdered viciously for no reason, it's horrible and it destroys us.
And so, of course, it's going to be a catalyst.
But the problem is that the media and the establishment try to cover it up, as they always do.
So, it's not just saying that this is who the perpetrator was, this is what he believed in, this is why he did it.
They say well let's talk about this, and that instead, let's talk about this, and that it's like distraction projection, distraction projection, and people see through it people aren't stupid.
And when they release pictures of of the perpetrator as a seven-year-old or 11-year-old or something to make him look cutesy and and to make you empathize when...
People don't start to empathize with him.
They don't start to think: okay the perpetrator is actually the victim. What they think is, why?
Why are you peddling this?
This was a fully grown 17-year-old chap who killed these girls.
He does not look like that.
What message are you trying to tell us?
That we should feel sorry for the boy over the girls?
And so people have had enough of the media manipulating them and the establishment manipulating them, and that the police never release the reports, and not just in this stepping, but continually.
We never get the manifestos.
We never get the motivations.
And so people have said enough is enough.
And this is why they're sick and tired of it all.
This is why they got out and started protesting.
But of course, with any protest, there are always false flags.
And there are always people trying to capitalize on these events and try to make it look worse than it is.
And so it's been incredibly disappointing to hear our own government try and paint all these ordinary, upset, frustrated Britons as far-right thugs.
There's no far-right in this country.
We'd know if there was a far-right.
We would have seen them long ago when when we're needed, but the problem is just to paint ordinary people as far right, demonizes them and paints paints the frustrated as the bad guys.
I'm beginning to get at a loss for words, because it's when the establishment is against you to that degree, when the media and the politicians are colluding together.
What outlet do we have other than public civil disorder order and this is why people are out in the streets.
Hearts of Oak:
Well, it is, because Alice - nine-year-old girl, and Bebe was six year old, Elsie - seven, these are children, they do not choose to be involved in some fight, in some war, that we have in the UK and of course eight other children and sustained knife wounds on that and you're right.
The shocking thing was the media putting the picture of Axel, and I can't pronounce his surname, I don't have in front of me, Radha Kubane, his parents from Rwanda.
He was born here in Wales so he's Welsh and that whole conversation of the media seemingly trying to hide to say this was a Welsh child, a Welsh boy, Welsh kid had carried this out, but actually there's a wider picture and it's not just on this individual.
It's a wider conversation, but it seems to be that at every turn the media have tried to fall over themselves to make sure and give a narrative that fits in with the government narrative, similar to what we've seen in Covid tyranny I guess.
For the sake of diversity.
Yeah, a rush to follow that so have you seen that kind of the media falling over themselves as someone in the media, someone who was on GB News, now with Lotus Eaters, wonderful Lotus Eaters.
But as someone in the media, how do you see that as the media rushing, falling over themselves to hide a story instead of expose a wrongdoing?
Well, this is why we started GB News.
This is why we got involved in our project to offer an alternative voice. It hasn't worked out.
It has become as controlled as the rest.
But the problem was we saw everywhere else you looked, there's a controlled narrative.
and people, it's not even always controlled, it's that people subscribe to this narrative. So, lots of people who work at the BBC, for example, or The Guardian or The Telegraph, they are on board with we must protect diversity, everything for the sake of diversity.
And so when they discover that the perp may be of a different ethnicity maybe of a foreign nationality or his parents maybe with foreign nationality they have to cover it up they have to disguise it, because they want people to think it's because of that.
And maybe in this instant it wasn't because of that maybe it wasn't anything to do with his ethnicity or his culture or his parents nationality.
Maybe it had maybe had nothing to do with it whatsoever, but the fact that they tried to hide it makes us suspicious, because quite often it does have something to do with it.
Quite as often the attacks are because there are Muhammadans in this country who hate us. Hate our way of life.
Want would love to have sharia here, would love to have the Islamic law, would love for this to be an Islamic caliphate, and so do want to harm us.
Most of our terrorist incidents in this country are from the Mohammedan ideology.
And so when they cover it up, what they're doing is they're becoming complicit.
We've seen this for years now, decades now, with the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, where we saw Pakistani Muslims, as part of their culture, not seeing white British girls as the same or as equal or as even a person.
In our tradition, we'd see them as made in the image of God.
In their tradition they see them as lesser than.
And so they've been grooming and raping these young girls for years, but have been covered up by the councillors, by the police, by the MPs, by our government.
All for the sake of diversity, and this is exactly this is the same pattern day in day out with anything that involves anyone that may be at least slightly brown.
We've got to move past if we truly want to be a multicultural society and I don't, but if people on the left say we want to become a multicultural society, then we have to get to a stage where actually we can have discussions about ethnicity, about culture, about religion, without being shut down or being accused of being a racist, a bigot, or far-right.
And we're not there.
We are clearly not there. Multiculturalism is not working, and diversity isn't our strength.
Diversity is our Achilles heel.
Diversity is the thing that is causing a lot of these issues and a lot of this polarisation, these riots that we're seeing, these protests that we're seeing, all for the sake of diversity.
And of course, here's the individual who's going to be tried in January.
We'll discuss why they don't have 24-hour courts to actually deal with that trial, because I think justice has to be done swiftly and not held over for months and months.
And we've seen this delay in the grooming gangs, where some of them take a year to actually carry out, and it's irrespective of that the individual is held in custody.
Actually, you need justice to be done, and to be done swiftly.
But I'm glad that Keir Starmer suddenly found out that he can deal with these individuals quickly, but the individual Axel is his parents from Rwanda, Christian country, but 55 percent Christian minority, Muslim, but to me that the issue separately is people fitting into this country.
That's the first thing, but secondly it is and whether or not this individual will find out, whether or not Axel was caught up in Islamic ideology or Muhammadism.
I've talked to many church leaders and they've said they are losing many young people to Islam because it comes across as a strong muscular, confident faith.
Where Christianity comes across as weak, pathetic, and liberal.
So, young people want to have that confidence as an individual and Islam seems to have that.
Christianity doesn't have that, so that's a conversation I want to have with you in a little bit.
But that whole thing of people coming from abroad and just fitting in to the country, and what actually means being part of this country.
And we don't seem to have that conversation of people when they step here.
And that seems to be massively lacking in helping people actually know what it means to be British.
That is the key.
That's what we've been missing for all these years.
At the start of all of this mass immigration, which we have for decades now, that really took off in 1997 under Tony Blair.
We should have said, look, if we're going to have people coming here, we've got to understand who we are and what we're about before we take on board anyone else's values or cultures.
Us and we should have said, look this is this is what it means to be British: the English language the Christian faith.
Faith, hope and love as values and stretched it out from there, but we couldn't even when the Tories got into power they were like, what are British values?
Democracy, the rule of law.
It's like these secular nonsense, that's not who we are as a people.
And so we should have described it and outlined it from the beginning and then said we're going to have assimilation for the people that do come over to Britain.
They assimilate into our culture into our faith, into our way of life.
And that's how we bring people together.
That's how we have unity.
That's how you have true diversity, actually, under unity.
If we all said, look, this is a monarchy, a constitutional monarchy, a democracy.
And so under our flag, under our king or queen at the time, then that's how we unite.
But people who do not like that we are a constitutional monarchy, do not like that we're a democracy, do not like our flag, do not like our values they should not be an allowed entry.
But it's too late for that they've been allowed in, and so now we have these conflicting ideologies these conflicting cultures that do not get on.
And never will get on, because people swear allegiance to to something else or someone else before us, and it's the great test.
It always has been the test, now it's the Muhammadans, and now it's the fact that the Islamic faith comes before everything including Great Britain.
But even before then, even when we had mass Pakistani immigration; even before that when my family came over, we had the mass Caribbean immigration.
It was still, the easy test is when the cricket's on, who do you support?
I mean, you laugh, but it's true.
That you can tell someone's agenda and someone's allegiances by who they'll support.
No, completely.
And I was, I mean, today we've seen, or maybe yesterday, today, I mean, the days blur into one, but we've seen Keir Stammer, who sadly, please pray for us, all the war in Posse, we have Keir Stammer as our PM for the next five years.
But he was giving his well he was giving a statement and what he would do the far right have nowhere to hide.
We will come and find you they'll regret your actions.
I think someone posted a video of Keir stammer when making statements on the BLM rats in 2020 after George Floyd had a drugs overdose and the difference in then it didn't seem to be we will come and find you and target you it's seemingly leniency on one side and aggression on the other.
I don't know if you've seen that or want to speak into that.
Peter, are you suggesting that there's some kind of two tiers to Kier?
I love that he's getting known as two-tier Kier now by the way, because it's really exposing him for who he is.
You're right.
Absolutely, there's a different approach to to different demographics and if anyone brown is involved it's like you know, soft gloves, kiddie gloves.
And then if anyone, white or British is involved or Christian is involved, then it's, we will find you and we will get you.
It's like, whoa, how did it go from Care Bears to Stormtroopers?
Where's the in-between?
Where's the policing without fear or favour that we knew and loved?
This is, I mean, we introduced policing to the rest of the world,
pretty much from our standards.
And that's all gone.
Our police forces have been corrupted with liberalism as well as this diversity above all.
If it's black lives matter, if it's Muhammadansm, if it's something that's seen as approved by the narrative then they get away with it.
If it's the default if it's white British Christians then they're stumped down upon.
So, what is that is that is that meaning that we treat people differently based on their ethnicity and their religion, if so then that's racist discrimination and that's essentially what our police forces and our government is getting up to.
It's racial discrimination and or religious discrimination at the moment.
We have the equalities act for that purpose to make sure that everyone is treated say equally under the law and that's always been our way.
We strive for equal opportunities not equal outcomes.
We profess to live in a meritocracy where anyone can become anything as long as they work hard enough, it doesn't matter your race or your religion in this liberal democracy.
I mean it's not the way I would have it that's the way we've been told it's supposed to be and it's notworking anymore.
How do you bounce up? Because, I come with this from someone born in Northern Ireland and living in London.
So, I've got that Northern Irish mix, which is extremely proud and strong and sectarian, which is good and bad.
And then finding myself in London, which isn't England, as Lozza has told us.
But you also come from that mixed side of having a Caribbean background, English background. How do you see that diverse?
Because I've kind of been in one way perplexed living in England, having a strong identity from Northern Ireland and realizing that English people don't necessarily have that strong identity.
How do you kind of see that in a kind of similar mix?
Yeah, it's been scrubbed out over the years, it's very bizarre.
So, I've always been proud to be British.
My father was born here but his father was born in Jamaica and when they came over from Jamaica during Windrush they were very proud to be British too, because they were part of the British Commonwealth of nations they were like coming to the mother country so essentially.
They still believed in the empire, they thought it was great. Most Jamaicans still do, according to the last poll taken over there. So, it's really weird when the native English don't.
So, I'm only half English, I'm half Caribbean. So I suppose it's my Caribbean half that's more patriotic, that's proud to be British, because the English people have lost some of that.
And I think it's been taken out of them on purpose by design.
Most people are told these days, you can't be proud to be English, because it's nationalistic.
It seems to be something that came out of World War II. It seems to be the lesson we took from World War II too, that to be nationalistic is a bad thing.
It leads to Nazism. Of course, that's nonsense, lot a nonsense.
National socialism was fascism. It was the extreme end of the political spectrum.
Having pride in your nation is something that unites us, not something that divides us.
And actually, if it's done right, patriotism is done right, it's a good thing for all of us.
And so I feel sorry when I see a lot of English people that feel that the Scots have their identity, the Northern Irish have their identity, the Welsh have their identity.
They're like, Like, what are we?
We're told we're just British. Well, the thing that unites all of us is that we're British across the whole of the United Kingdom.
But the English are still English too.
And actually, there is an English, a distinctively English culture that's different to the Welsh culture and the Scottish culture and the Northern Irish culture.
But there are things that we share in common as British.
And so we've got to be able to take the distinction between the two and celebrate the two and say, yes, yes, I'm English.
Yes, I'm British. They are both good things.
And of course, when we do that, we'll get called racists and FOB bigots.
But we've got to accept that.
We've got to take that.
Just dust it off. It doesn't matter.
The far left hate themselves and they hate us because we don't hate ourselves.
So, we've just got to show them love, really, and show them it's okay to love our country.
I've read you being called names along with Tommy, along with Lawrence, and I will not get into the personal stuff, but I've seen Majid Nawaz getting involved in that attack and others, so it's not just on that side.
But I don't understand the attacks, because it seems to be that you, Tommy, Lawrence, many others are concerned at this erosion of British identity and are concerned at how mass immigration changes this and are concerned of how the government understands the left behind that many communities feel.
So, as I've looked online, as I've gone into Twitter, as we all go into that Twitter spiral, and I've been confused at that attack on yourself and others because it doesn't seem to stand up, doesn't seem to have merit.
I'm high of, I know for you it's water off a duck's back.
I get that, but what how are you targeted as someone who simply wants to stand up for British values and understands the anger that many English people feel.
I think it's different from different people.
So, Merchant Noah's is a good example of Muhammadan's always put Muhammad first.
And so you know he wrote this book radical from from extremist Islamist to secular Muslim.
And he's claimed to be a secular Muslim for a while now, but it seems he's reverted back to his extremist ways or he's reverted back to putting Islam above Britain, because the people who are standing up for Britain or at least try to are getting attacked by him.
I mean, he called me a globalist Chill.
I've literally done everything all my life to fight against globalism.
You know, I was in part of vote Leave to fight against the Federalist European Union.
I fight against globalism in terms of Islam along trying to take over Britain.
And try to fight against the one state, the one nation, the one world government, the one world religion, all that stuff but I think he's he's seeing it from an Islamic point of view rather than the British point of view.
That's that's his his downfall.
That's his Achilles heel unfortunately, but it's not just him there is there we're getting divided amongst ourselves.
So, the people who have been traditionally fighting for freedom and traditionally fighting against you know covid, lockdowns, and vaccine mandates and stuff people who were aligned are being separated now, and it's a great shame, but this is part of the design of the enemy.
Whether we're talking about the enemy in terms of the state or in terms of Satan himself, the enemy does not want us working together for good.
But during the COVID, I've seen that divide and conquer.
I've seen individuals attacking each other.
And my line on the COVID tyranny is it doesn't matter if it's taken you a year, two years, three years to catch up.
Hey, that's fine.
It's important that individuals wake up.
And the same on mass immigration, the same on Islam.
The same on however you want to tackle this.
So, I don't understand this attack from within, because surely we should understand the role of the state to divide people up and therefore control individuals.
It seems to me that some of the individuals that attack, surely they should know better. But yeah, maybe they don't.
And it kind of you look at people you think surely you should know better how this works.
[Yeah, and I mean we have to kind of curate our own side as well, because it gets to the point where, you know we were just talking about my mixed heritage for example.
Now, we said certain elements of the right that are edging onto the far right now and saying well we're ethno-nationalists and actually we just think Britain should be entirely white.
So, it's like okay well what about those of of us who were born here, and our parents were born here, and we're not 100%, English, like I am half English, half Afro-Caribbean, then where do we go?
And where do we fit into all of this?
And so, it's become puritanical about all this, because they've been pushed to the extremes.
They've been pushed for so long and so hard that their only defence is to fight back and say, we want none of it, and say, we don't just want rid of Islam, we just want rid of brownness.
And it's like, of course, that's unrealistic.
It does eventually lead to racism, but I can understand where it's coming from.
And this is, because we're being divided further and further.
And we've got to fight against the division.
We've got to come back to unity. And this is why the rallies that we've been holding in London, one on June the 1st and one on July the 27th, were about uniting the kingdom, because we've got to come together.
Tell me about that July the 22nd because frustratingly I was away, because I had a wedding anniversary and I was away.
I couldn't join you in London and I was so sad to watch the huge demonstration.
The tens of thousands, certainly 50,000, some put 100,000, and that coming together and that preceded what we have seen in the outpouring of anger at the stabbings.
But there does seem to be a patriotism that's building up in Britain that I haven't seen for quite a while.
I mean, how did you see that demonstration back in the 1st of June and then in July?
It does seem to be a reinvigorating of what it means to be British and champion that once again, that we haven't seen that patriotism for a while in Britain.
It's amazing to see, actually.
We talked earlier about how English people tend to lack that sense of patriotism or not be able to display it these days without being castigated.
But these rallies have been reuniting people and allowing people, giving people the permission that they feel the need for some reason to be able to be patriotic again.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make it either because the date was set.
And it's not about me, it's not about any individual, so we all just have to...
But this has been the great thing about these rallies, It's the thing that Lawrence often says.
It's amazing how much you can get done if no one wants the credit.
And that's what these rallies have been about.
So, I remember seeing you at the organising committee.
We all come together to help do what we can and contribute how we can.
If we can make it on the day, fantastic.
If we can't, so be it.
We still put our two pence in.
But the people who turn up, they are what it's all about.
British people waving that, whether it's the Union flag or St George's Cross or St Patrick's Cross or the Red Fist or the Red Dragon.
And this is what it's all about.
So it's not a fist, it's a hand.
The red hand.
Red hand of Ulster with a crown in the middle.
That's the howl.
But tell me from your point of view as a Christian leader, and we all are called into positions by God.
We all, maybe because we want to, because we don't, because our choosing, because of simply calling, but we end up in positions of responsibility.
And your position of responsibility is not only a media figure but also a Christian figure a religious figure.
A church figure.
How do you look on what is happening with that hat if I can ask you to put on that hat of Christianity and how do you see what's happening in terms of the rallies, but in terms of what we've seen over the last week?
Over the last week I've felt a darkness come over this country.
Now I've spoken to friends who've visited recently of last few weeks and months and they've said it feels like your country has a malaise over it and that malaise I think has turned into maleficence.
I think in the last few days in particular there's a spiritual heaviness a spiritual darkness on this country that we can only get through if we pray we can.
You know, to get through with him and his help.
Unfortunately, I don't think many of us are at that stage yet.
Thankfully, people are waking up at a political level.
People are getting out and protesting and people are making their voices heard.
But people aren't necessarily waking up at a spiritual level yet.
And so this is why on Sunday just gone, I started my first online prayer session for the nation, where I'm going to do every Sunday at 5 p.m. People can tune in.
We're just going to do evening prayer, just praying together for this country because we need it.
We cannot do anything good on our own without him. He is everything that's good.
And so, yeah, we're dark, but the darkness helps us see the light.
So, we just need to turn to the light and head towards that.
And how do you see churches being involved?
Because we often see churches not understanding the conversation that's happening in public, because of the desire to protect ourselves with a midweek meeting and a Sunday sermon.
And therefore, we are doing our duty as Christians behind our walls. How do you see churches' involvement?
The churches have been disappointing, but we've seen this throughout modern history.
Actually, we saw this through Covid where they closed their doors and instead of saying we are an essential service and the sacraments are vital there's no health in us without them.
And people need to pray together to be to be Christian to come together to worship God and glorify God.
Instead of saying that they closed their doors on people and it's been the same ever since to be honest you know Church attendance dropped by a third across the board in this country.
So, lots of people have not returned because they haven't felt supported spiritually.
Their spiritual well-being hasn't been taken care of.
But even the people that are good, even the church leaders that are good, have their heads buried in the sand. So many of them are worried about image and optics.
And we can't seem to be saying that.
Even if they believe it, they can't seem to be saying it.
And so when I talk to people about the church, I'm not talking about that church anymore.
The hierarchy, the visible church, I'm not interested.
We are the church, and that's what's important.
Me, you, everyone tuned in watching, the professors of their faith in Jesus Christ, through our baptism.
We are the church, the faithful masses.
And so we come together in prayer.
We come together in worship of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And that's what bishops do.
Leave the priests, leave the archbishop, do their wokeness and their liberalism.
because they are important.
He is what's important.
As long as we come together with Him on our hearts, we are doing what we're called to do.
And it's interesting how God raises people up.
And I always want to sit back as a Christian and say and pray,
God, who are you going to raise up?
What are you going to do in this current climate?
What is your will?
And see people like me. I watched Elon Musk's interview with Jordan Peterson, and it was intriguing.
Speaking not only that Jordan Peterson interviewed himself as opposed to Elon Musk, but that's a whole other conversation, but actually learning a little bit about Elon from that conversation obviously someone having the platform of Twitter someone who is not a Christian and said to Jordan how he's not a Christian.
Very different from Jordan Peterson who's someone who seems to be searching for something more.
Elon is not necessarily at that, but he is willing to speak out and he sees what's happening in the UK.
And even today, he talked about Keir Starmer and said, surely you should be concerned about all communities and not just about one community protecting mosques or attacking far right.
Or he sees that as a divide and conquer.
How do you see as a media figure, but probably as a Christian, how God kind of raises individuals up to speak common sense and truth whenever the church is not really doing that.
Yeah, that was an interesting clip where Keir said: you should not feel attacked because of your faith or the colour of your skin.
And he wasn't about white people or Christians.
He was talking about brown Mohammedans.
And this is what Elon rightly pointed out, that we shouldn't be, you know, and Keir said, we're going to put more money.
I think recently they announced £170 million for the protection of mosques, but he said we need more money to protect the mosques.
It's like, why is this one particular demographic being put on a pedestal above all the others?
What's it about that?
But you're writing that God uses people in different ways and calls us to different things, that even when we don't know about it ourselves.
And I think Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson are both being called right now to lead people to Christ.
Elon Musk recently said he appreciates the cultural Christianity of the West and finds it important, similar to what Richard Dawkins, the chief atheist said recently.
But also we know that Jordan Peterson's been on this faith journey for some time now.
When you and I saw him in London recently, he had his blazer on with Mary all over it, which I thought was a bit on the nose.
But it's like, come on, just come here, just come out.
I mean, we all have different barriers in our way when it comes when it comes to faith.
So, all we can do is pray for these people to find Christ and hope that he changes their hearts and converts them.
Yeah, I mean, lots of people are being called, lots of people are being raised up right now, and it's about separating the weak from the chaff, and it's about finding who's true and not jumping to conclusions.
We saw this in America with the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
Clearly a miracle, clearly saved.
But then people are like, oh, he's the anointed one of God, he is the prophet Trump.
It's like, wait a minute, calm down a minute, let's not go too far.
You know my personal take on that is that he was he was he was definitely saved it was definitely a miracle but we don't know why.
We don't know what god's plan is, you know, it could be that if Donald Trump had been assassinated there'd be civil war in America right now because there are a couple of them would have taken up arms against the democrats who clearly would have killed him.
And so maybe in saving his life God has saved the nation it's the nation that's anointed rather than than Donald Trump.
So ,I mean it's just speculation but that's all we can do it's not to to jump on bandwagons of making false idols out of people.
No, it tells that we see things through what a dark glass or darkly and don't always see things clearly.
And we don't know what the mind of God is. And one day we will see that.
But the Jordan, I mean, seeing Michaela, his daughter, talk about her faith and of how a number of things lined up within one day.
And she said the only thing that could be is God and then Jordan's wife, I think Tammy being very open.
I mean it is exciting, because I don't understand why people don't question things.
As a Christian I am confused why people how people can look at the complexity of the world and think actually it's just luck and chance and a big bang and here we are and we all die and that's the end.
And yet some people are in that elk to not actually question things, people who are questioning by nature.
So, it is exciting to see people questioning and questioning.
That's, in effect, that's part of your calling under God to actually, and mine is a Christian, but you have a dog collar, I don't.
But to actually point people towards, is God in this?
What does that mean?
Surely this complexity of the universe and life means something more.
I think we're having that conversation in the UK separate from maybe the established church.
But still, there are those conversations happening one-on-one and online.
Yeah, I think it's just a case of encouraging people to think.
And the enemy would say, well, thinking is the opposite of religion.
You have to not think to be.
No, it's not.
It's clear.
The problem is we live in a world where there's noise constantly, or we're surrounded by distraction 24-7.
So, we don't actually take any time out to think.
And God is working very actively in our lives, in this world, in his creation.
Our living God is a good God who doesn't sit by.
So, there are miracles happening in our lives every day if we're open to seeing them.
But that means we've got to think about it.
You're right, some people will think, oh, it's just a coincidence.
They won't even stop to think about it.
They'll just continue with the noise and the distraction and keep the blinkers on.
But the moment we stop and reflect and pray through what has happened in our day, in fact, it's a good habit to build up in our life to have that at the end of the day to just take time out to things and reflect about what's happened in the day.
To repent of any sins we may have committed, but also to thank God for the beauty that we've experience.
And that's kind of what we're avoiding, because we're avoiding the silence. And we hear God's voice in the silence. That's where he is.
So, that's why we spend all our lives and all our days running away from it.
And so I suppose my job is just to encourage people to stop.
Stop running. Stop being distracted. And just think. Stop and think.
Hearts of Oak:
Oh, and I've talked to many people who said, you know, I'm not religious, Peter, but I have prayed more.
I have thought more. And I think that's something we're seeing more and more.
And certainly I'd encourage our audience, whether you're a watcher listening to, as you see things, to take time and ask God what he means in that.
Because what we see around us is often a pointer to something.
So, do take a moment and do ask God, are you saying something in that?
And he says, call to me and I will answer you. So have a go, have a try, I do ask God.
But Cam, how do you, going forward, what is your message to Brits at the moment, to those living on this island in England and over there, the water in Northern Ireland, who've been involved in a lot of these demonstrations?
Administrations, I am concerned that a lot of people involved will get sucked up and locked away.
The state will try and remove those who are against it.
I'm trying to think how we can be smarter and more effective in combating what we see.
So, I mean, publicly, what's your message to people in this current environment?
My message is to be cautious and to be careful.
We've got to make redundancies, make plans. The state could be coming for us. The Mohammedans could be coming for us.
We don't know if we're going to be locked up or if we're going to be killed.
And so have backup plans, whether that's downloading VPNs, so you've got ways to communicate with people, being in emergency chat groups of people that you can flag that you are safe.
Build redundancies into your life, but also build prayer habits at the start of the day, at the end of the day.
Build a way of life that is centred around prayer, that is centred around Christ, and not just around the politics. We have to do both.
We've got to address the political situation that's going on in this country, and that means not sitting back and just watching.
That means being active, whether that's getting out and standing for election, or if that's just forming a local community group to look out for each other.
But also, on the other side, we've got to look after our spiritual wellbeing, which means going to church every single Sunday without exception.
I mean, starting and ending your day in prayer of thanksgiving for the one true God.
I'll be doing that, going to church on Sunday, starting my day in prayer.
I think it's essential.
Calvin, it's a perfect end to the conversation.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom on what is happening on not only the political understanding, but also the spiritual element which is what we so need to today.
So, thank you for your time today.
Thank you Peter.

Dr David Wood - Islam's Misconceptions and the Importance of Historical Evidence

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Dr. David Wood joins Hearts of Oak to recount his transformative journey from atheism to Christianity. Sparked by profound discussions with Nabeel Qureshi during his time in jail. Focusing on apologetics regarding Islam, he emphasizes the need for Christians to address Islam's global ambitions for dominance and engage with its challenges. The conversation delves into Islam's complexities, including misconceptions, Muhammad's role, and controversial practices, shedding light on control mechanisms within the religion. Highlighting the growing curiosity to critically examine faith, the discussion urges critical engagement with Islam, support for individuals leaving the faith, and challenges foundational beliefs through historical and logical analyses. By comparing Jesus and Muhammad, the dialogue aims to encourage critical thinking and foster open discussions to prompt introspection and reshape perspectives on faith.
Dr David Wood is an American evangelical missionary, Christian apologist and polemicist. He is currently head of the Acts 17 Apologetics Ministry. He is a member of the Society of Christian Philosophers and the Evangelical Philosophical Society.After converting to Christianity, he earned degrees in biology and philosophy, and a PhD in the philosophy of religion.
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Transcript
Hearts of Oak:
I'm delighted to have Dr. David Wood with us today. David, thank you so much for your time.
Dr David Wood:
Hey, how you doing, Peter?
Hearts of Oak:
All good. All the better for seeing you and better for seeing you in London when you're over with the absolutely awesome conference that you and Jay and many others were involved in. So thank you for taking the time and coming over to Blighty.
Dr David Wood:
Yeah, that was fun.
Hearts of Oak:
It was good fun. Obviously, people can find you @Acts17David on Twitter and @ApologeticsRoadshow over on YouTube. Make use of both of those resources. But David, I've followed you for, I mean, quite a number of years on the engagement on Islam. And obviously I've known Jay for back when he was in London. So 17, 18 years ago, I first connected with Jay and was opened up into the world of engaging Islam and polemics and something I didn't understand before. And I've got to slowly understand and marvel at his ability to engage, as is your ability. But can I maybe step back a little bit?
You've put out videos about you being an atheist and becoming a Christian. And I'm curious about that journey before we get on to your engagement on actually deconstructing Islam and taking it apart and destroying it, absolutely. But your conversion, tell us about that.
Dr David Wood:
I grew up as an atheist. I don't remember ever believing in God when I was a kid, but it wasn't really an issue. I wasn't thinking about it. It just wasn't an issue wherever I was. I was probably, I don't know, 13, 14 when I realized I was an atheist and eventually ended up in jail. And whenever I say that, atheists go, oh, you're saying that all atheists go to jail. No, I'm not. That was me. That was me. Okay. That was me. I'm one of the people who had a jailhouse conversion. So I got to jail and I met a Christian in there. This was a guy who had turned himself in for 21 felonies. So he became a Christian, went, turned himself in for everything he'd ever done. I thought that was the most idiotic thing I'd ever heard about in my life. So I started talking to this guy and he enraged me so much that I was, I started studying Christianity just to, just to argue with this guy. And, uh, uh, anyway, a while later, uh, took a while, but I eventually became a Christian, uh, had to serve some time, uh, got out, went to college. And so, yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's, that's the short version. If people want the law, if people want the long version, they can, they can, uh, check it out on my channel.
Hearts of Oak:
It's on your YouTube channel. Absolutely. What is your, cause you kind of think, I mean, I grew up pastor's kids, so very different background. Uh, you're growing up where you, you never went to church, never went to Sunday school. That just wasn't part of your upbringing.
Dr David Wood:
No, the only time I went to church was if I, and I never went to church when I was like little, uh, eventually we moved and we were closer to my grandmother and my aunt. But if I were visiting my grandmother or my aunt then and it was a Sunday then we'd go to church and I just remember I'd go in there and I'd sit right beside the little clock on the wall and I would just stare at that thing for the entire service and then as soon as it was done I would bolt for the door because they would have like donuts or brownies downstairs and so I'd bolt downstairs and grab a bunch of donuts and stuff.
Hearts of Oak:
But it wasn't on your agenda at all no you you talked about being in prison and I've read Nabil Qureshi's book and you touch on that and that having an impact on you, meeting him. And what was that connection like?
Dr David Wood:
Well, we just, we, we became best friends in college. So we were both on the, uh, speech and debate team at Old Dominion University. And, um, we went on, uh, uh, you go to different competitions and stuff. So this is, this is after I was locked up. So I got, uh, once I got out, I went to, uh, school, met Nabil Qureshi and we ended up sharing a hotel room on a school trip.
And of course, you know, I'd been a Christian for several years now. He'd been a Muslim all his life.
And I'm sitting in the hotel room and I see this guy's a Muslim, but I don't, you don't know if he's like a hardcore Muslim or, you know, liberal Muslim or something like that. So I was wondering, I'm sitting there reading my Bible in a year and I pray, I say, God, if you want me to talk to this guy, let him start it because I don't want people to accuse me of attacking the Muslim or something like that. And anyway, little, little while after that, I'm sitting there reading my Bible and he He goes, he goes, so are you a hardcore Christian? I was like, all right. Come on. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. And so we ended up, we ended up talking a lot that weekend about Islam and Christianity. We just became, we just became best friends. We got along really well. We ended up hanging out all the time together and so on. And yeah, so we spent the next basically four years arguing about Christianity and Islam. he eventually became a Christian. And when he became a Christian, I actually thought, oh, cool. I'm done with Islam right now because the only reason I was studying Islam was because my best friend was a Muslim. If he'd been something else, I'd have been studying that. And so, yeah, he became a, he became a Christian. I thought, ah, cool. I'm done with this stuff. I can get back to stuff I'm more interested in, which is almost anything. But yeah, it was actually part, part of the reason I stayed dealing with Islam was kind of watching the stand that he took for the gospel, and I was just like, wow, Muslims make really cool Christians. And by the way, there's a reason for that.
There's kind of a flip side of what's a negative, and it ends up being a positive. But Islam puts all these psychological barriers in front of people, in front of Muslims, to keep them from leaving Islam. So Muslims are told their entire lives that the worst possible sin you can commit is the sin of shirk, associating a partner with Allah. So if you say Jesus is Lord, you've just associated a partner with Allah. That's the worst possible. That's a one-way ticket to hell. So saying Jesus is Lord is the worst thing you can possibly do. Two, they know they have to give up their families if they convert to Islam, or at the very least that their relationships with their families are going to be very, very, very strained. And three, the penalty for leaving Islam is death. Doesn't happen a lot in the West, but you always have to be kind of looking over your shoulder if you leave Islam. So we're Christians. We preach the good news.
And when a Muslim, what a Muslim hears when we preach the good news is, oh, so you're telling me to believe this thing that's going to have to, that'll cause me to have to give up my family and maybe get my head chopped off and it's a one-way ticket to hell. And you guys call this the good news because it sounds like the worst news ever. So that's kind of a negative. Islam makes it very difficult to leave Islam. But the positive side, the positive side, I said there's There's a reversal here. The positive side is that when a Muslim says, you know what? I may have to give up my family and this may get my head chopped off. And I've been told all my life this will get me sent to hell. But you know what? I want to know Jesus anyway. That's someone who will stand up for Christ. And so, yeah, I just ended up sticking with it.
Hearts of Oak:
What was, what were you, before we get into that, what was your interest before? What kind of pathway may you have followed if someone like Nabeel Quresh had not come into your world and you'd understood the importance of presenting Christ to Muslims?
Dr David Wood:
Well, I was more interested in the objections of atheists because that was my background. So I probably would have done that. And that was the other part of it, why I ended up staying with Islam was that as I was thinking about that, like after Nabeel became a Christian, as I was thinking about what I wanted to focus on, it was just like, almost every Christian apologist out there deals with atheism. And back then there weren't a lot of Christians who were dealing with Islam. So you're talking early 2000s, like, you know, shortly after 9-11. If you went into Christian apologetics back then, you were either dealing with the objections of atheists or you're dealing with cults or or something like that, there were not a lot of people dealing with Islam. It was Jay Smith over there in the UK. There was Tony Costa in Canada. There's Samuel Green down in Australia and a couple of people in the US, but it just wasn't an emphasis. And so there was also that point where, okay, maybe I need to not be doing what I'm most interested in and do what's needed. And so I started focusing on that. Fortunately, it's a different time. Lots of people deal with to Islam now. So these are actually good days.
Hearts of Oak:
Well, of course, the starting point is, why would you engage with Islam? Surely Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all three of the great Abrahamic faiths. So why would you even want to engage on that when someone is following the great Abrahamic faith and therefore is good?
Dr David Wood:
I know you're not serious, but no, it's funny. So you've, we're told, we're told in, we're told in the New Testament what the core of the gospel is. So Jesus spent a few years with his followers. But when you look at the book of Acts, the message they actually went out and were preaching afterwards, this is the takeaway. The main takeaway for them was that Jesus died on the cross for sins. He rose from the dead and he's Lord. So you've got death, resurrection and deity. Those are the points they hit wherever they went. So that was the core of the gospel message for them. And we're also told in the New Testament that false teachers and false prophets are going to come. What are these false teachers and false prophets going to do? They're going to lead people away from that core message. And then you get down to Muhammad, and Muhammad comes along. And Muhammad says, hey, you Christians, you believe in God? So do I. You believe that God sent prophets? So do I. You believe in these revelations, these scriptures? So do I. When it comes to Jesus, you believe that he's born of a virgin? So do I. You believe that he lived the most miraculous life in history? So do I. you believe that he's the word, so do I. You believe that he's the Messiah, so do I. I agree with you on all these things.
But there are just these three things we have to get past. One, he didn't die on the cross for sins. Two, he didn't rise from the dead. And three, he's not Lord. So if we can just get past those things, we'll all be on the same page. And it's like, my goodness, we've been waiting for you, buddy. You are like the perfect, you are the perfect ultimate example of a false prophet. Someone who agrees with us on all these other things and says, yeah, we're this close to being on the same page. Just drop the entire core of the Christian gospel. And so, yeah, we were warned. We were warned about Muhammad and we definitely have to respond to him.
Hearts of Oak:
Now, I want to go into a lot of the issues that you engage with on Islam, and especially the person of Muhammad. But you touched on people focus on atheism and see that as the threat. You obviously see Islam as a threat that's not being focused on. Tell us about that clash, because is it safer to focus on Islam? Is the people are blind to Islam? What is it? Why is the reason why the focus is on one threat and not the other?
Dr David Wood:
Well, it's just it was just atheism was a bigger issue in the West. So in the in the 80s and 90s, when apologetics started becoming more of an issue for people, and it was because you had Christian families and their kids are going off to college and their kids are coming back. Their kids weren't coming back Muslims. Their kids were going off to college and taking some philosophy classes and becoming skeptical. And if your kids had been raised in a church but hadn't really been given any reasons, in other words, they hadn't dealt with apologetics at all, and they didn't know how to respond to issues, and then you were actually challenged on your faith, some of those kids would just leave Christianity and become atheists. So people started focusing on that. And it's the other issue as far as cults where it wasn't Muslims knocking at your door, it was Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons. So people were responding to what was kind of an issue for them and Islam wasn't really an issue in the 70s, 80s and 90s and so on. So that by the time Islam started becoming an issue.
Christian apologetics was just veered towards completely other things. And so, yeah, so yeah, that's why I started focusing on Islam. But no, it's definitely not, it's definitely not, not, not safer by any means. But as far as, as far as the, why it's so relevant, there's nothing in atheism that tells you one way or another how you're supposed to behave. So you could have an atheist who's, you know, a really mean, aggressive guy. You can have an atheist who, I don't care what people believe. Like my friend, I'm friends with the guy, the apostate prophet. His attitude is, look, I don't believe this stuff, but I don't really care what other people believe. It's not an issue for me. Like I'm an atheist. I don't believe anything happens after death. But if you believe something, what do I care? Right. And that makes sense from an atheistic perspective. So it only makes sense from an atheistic perspective to be concerned about something that's actually like causing you harm in your life or something like that. So he focuses on Islam.
There's one religion out there that wants to execute me because he's an ex-Muslim. So he focuses on that. But apart from that, there's nothing in atheism that tells you you have to subjugate the world or anything like that. And you could have all different kinds of atheists. But part of Islam is the goal of ultimately subjugating the world and making all religion for Allah. law. So even with Muslims, you'll have different kinds of Muslims. So you'll have peaceful Muslims, you'll have very aggressive Muslims, but it's not like atheism where the ideology doesn't tell you what to do. The ideology tells you that your ultimate goal is to subjugate the world. And so Islam is, even with a diversity among Muslims, Islam is always going to be a bigger issue because when people take it seriously, then they have to start taking these issues seriously about confronting other people and, yeah, ultimately subjugating the world.
Hearts of Oak:
Well, that's a concept that doesn't really connect with Christians and those in the West. Generally, they think there's a pluralism and your freedom to believe what you think. And then Islam comes along and seems to be to want that dominance, to want to force its opinion that you can accept anything, but you must accept Islam. You don't have that freedom. I don't think that many Christians, certainly in the UK, probably the same for the US, I don't think they understand that desire to dominate that comes from Islam.
Dr David Wood:
Yeah, they don't. And you have lots of Christians who are, who are, you know, they might be ashamed of the history of Christianity. They might say, oh, well, you know, there were times when Christians tried to conquer people and stuff. So who are we to complain about Islam? Not realizing, well, you're not told, you weren't told to conquer the world. It's just a thing that humans do. too. So anyone might do that. You could have various ideologies where just because there are human beings involved, human beings very frequently want to make our way the way for everyone else. But Islam is different in that it actually calls for it. So as a Christian, if Christians start going around killing people, then you as a Christian could say, you're not supposed to be doing that. Here, let me show you why. Look, Jesus says right here, here. My kingdom is not of this world. He breaks it down to here. He's not fighting for an earthly kingdom. You can explain why they're wrong. You can say, look, it says right here, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. You're not supposed to hate everyone and try to kill everyone. So you have a basis within Christianity for saying, no, you shouldn't be doing that. In Islam, it's the reverse, where if you're peaceful and you just want to get along with people and so on, you can actually say, hey, if you're a Muslim, you need to be looking at what you're supposed supposed to be doing here.
And so, yeah, it's just lots of people think, oh, you know, different religions have had their issues. Islam may just have a little bit of an issue now that you have some aggressive guys in it, but it can mellow out after time. But yeah, when one of the main goals of the religion is subjugating the world, that's going to keep popping up, and we keep seeing it pop up for a reason.
Hearts of Oak:
It is a possibly difficult issue to engage on. Okay, so moving on to um and I don't know if jihadi tears is available on your website because I love the mug
Dr David Wood:
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a little online store, because I got this one made for live streams, but people asked where they could get it. So, yeah, they can get it in my little merch store.
Hearts of Oak:
Okay, it's available there. I just want to point that out. all right the so engaging on Islam um many people don't many people are afraid although they don't know they're afraid um where do you start is it then maybe start with the person of Muhammad um that we are told peace be upon him he is a prophet he must be respected and whether or not he exists or not I'm not very sure but how do you let's start with the person of Muhammad because Because I know that my good friend Calvin Robinson here in the UK calls it Muhammadism, those who follow Muhammad. And then you think, actually, is this about him or is it about something else? So how do you begin to tackle that issue of that individual?
Dr David Wood:
Well, yeah, people who call it Muhammadism and point out that it seems to be about Muhammad, absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. Correct. If you look at Islam, I mean, the word, you can learn a lot about a religion by kind of what its name is, like Christianity emphasizes Christ in the name of the religion. Islam, the word Islam means submission, and in its religious context means submission to Allah, refers to submission to Allah.
And so Muslims will use that as sort of a sales pitch. Hey, Christians and Jews, you believe in God. You believe in submitting to God, right? Well, this is just the religion of submission to God. Why would you be opposed to that? Well, Islam doesn't just tell you that you must submit to Allah. It tells you how you submit to Allah. And you submit to Allah by obeying Muhammad in everything. And I'm not making that up. I'm not exaggerating this. Surah 4, verse 65, among other passages, Surah 4, verse 65. Says that Muslims can have no real faith until they make Muhammad judge in all disputes, have no resistance against anything that he decides and submit to him with full submission.
And so here's the religion where you submit to Allah. OK, how do you do that? By mindlessly obeying anything this guy over here says, this guy who's an illiterate 7th century Arabian caravan robber. You have to mindlessly obey everything he says. If you have any doubt about what he says or you question anything, he says, you're not a real Muslim. And so, yeah, the religion is all about Muhammad.
And it would be one thing if he was a really, really great, nice guy. It's something else entirely if he's a guy who calls for the violent subjugation of the world, a guy who says that apostates have to be beheaded, A guy who says that Jews and Christians, because they have true revelations, can accept an inferior status in society and pay tribute money to Muslims in honor in order to not be killed. But everyone else, they either have to be they have to convert or die.
It's just it's just an entirely different category, especially when you look at some of you start getting down to the moral issues with with Muhammad, things like.
A child marriage, he married a girl who was six years old. He consummated the marriage when she was nine years old. And you can look down to today, you have Muslims who are the world champions of defending child marriage. Daniel Hakikachu, you can consummate a marriage with a five-year-old, a six-year-old, a seven-year-old. He argues this, he defends this, he tries to defend it academically. You have Ali Dawa, who said that if his daughter was nine years old and she got her first menstrual, she got her first monthly period, then he said he would tell her she's ready to be married. And keep in mind, the Quran doesn't even require that. Aisha hadn't even reached puberty. So Ali Dawa, as revolting as it is to say, I would tell my nine-year-old daughter she's ready to be married. He's actually better than Muhammad who didn't wait, who didn't wait for a first, uh, didn't wait for a menstrual cycle. And so this is, this is the kind of guy you're dealing with. I mean, Muhammad again, had sex with a nine-year-old girl. He took the wife of his own adopted son after he caused the divorce by seeing her practically naked and started lusting after her and, uh, eventually married her after he caused the divorce when his adopted son's like, Oh, oh, if you want her, then you take her. And so he bought, owned, sold, and traded black African slaves. Those are the guys who institutionalized the African slave trade long before the United States ever existed.
They're just amazing stories about the issues that this guy had. And they're in the Muslim sources. They're right there in the Muslim sources. So I'll just share one story that sort of gives you an idea of what you're dealing with here. Once Muhammad got caught in the bed of his wife, Hafsa, having sex with his slave girl. Now he was allowed to have sex with his slave girls. They understood that they didn't want it happening in their own beds, right? His, his wives didn't want him having sex with his slave girls in their beds. That was the issue. So Hafsa goes out to run some errands. She comes back early. Muhammad is in her bed with his sex slave. She objects to this. She goes and complains to the other wives and then to stop his wives from complaining. Like, what are you, you're rolling around with a slave girl in our bed, the bed that I sleep in. And then I'm about to go to bed there and you were just, you know, in there with your slave girl.
So he, so in order to deal with his wives complaining, he says, fine, look, I'll never, I swear by Allah, I will never have sex with that slave girl again. And so then his wives are, oh, okay, that's fine. And then he gets the revelations in that are the opening verses of Surah 66. Anyone could read these, the opening verses of Surah 66, Allah tells him to break his oath. He said, I didn't tell you, I didn't tell you to break that. I didn't tell you to make that oath. I didn't tell you to swear that to me. And so he says, hey, you break that oath. And so Muhammad went back to having sex with his slave girl. He eventually, that's Mary the cop. That one was Mary the cop. He eventually got her pregnant.
So, but I mean, think about this. This is Muhammad swears an oath to Allah. Allah tells him to break the oath because, well, I didn't tell you to make that oath and therefore you can break it. Well, think about that. Like 99.9999999% of all oaths that anyone ever takes were not commanded to you by God. So that means anyone could just break any oath at any time because God didn't order you to do it. And that's what you actually find in the Muslim sources that Muhammad is constantly being told, here's the justification for this horrible behavior that you're doing. And it comes from God. God is the one who's justifying your behavior right now. And if you look at the justifications, it makes all sorts of really, really terrible behavior completely acceptable.
Hearts of Oak:
So you're telling us that you can come up with voices in your head and then you can announce that is the way according to God to live by. And then you can do whatever you like. I don't know what to make of that.
Dr David Wood:
It is. is if you have enough people following you, if you get enough followers, you can silence anyone who criticizes you. I call this, this is a version of what I call Islam's 99-1 rule. And I usually talk about that in the context of apologetics with, I mean, Islamic apologetics with people like Zakir Naik. Because you sit there and listen to Zakir Naik, if you have any idea what he's talking about, you know, if you understand the issues that he's talking about, you know he's spouting complete nonsense. But the audience he's talking to, they don't know about any of this. They just agree with whatever he's saying And so the rule that has always been part of Islam is, If you're telling a crowd something Even if you're making it up If 99% of the people are just going to go along with what you say and believe you And 1% are going to object and go I'm not sure about that Or no, I know you're wrong about this Or this sounds suspicious to me If only 1% of people are going to object The 99% can silence the 1% So it's always been the way to do things in Islam So if you go out and you convince a bunch of people in Arabia to mindlessly agree with anything you say, and someone objects and says, hey, wait, I think we have a problem here. Well, the 99 can silence the one. And so that's been built into Islam from the beginning. It's the same in Islam now.
Hearts of Oak:
So you approach Islam, and what part of it do you tackle? You've got the Quran itself with its gibberish stories. You've then got the theology and all the books written about it. You've got Muhammad's life story. You've got all the practices that happen. I mean, you look at this range, and it's much more complicated. In Christianity, you have the Bible. You've got Genesis to Revelation. Revelation, you read it. It's fairly simple. You can understand the vast majority, if not the whole of the Bible. Maybe we'll leave a bit of Revelation aside in some of the other books. But I mean, it's simple to understand.
The Islam seems to be much more complicated and convoluted and purposely designed to confuse people. So how do you start with unpacking it?
Dr David Wood:
Islam is extremely confusing. If you just start reading the Quran, you're going to be confused. Like when I see Christians who say, hey, I'm interested in doing Christian apologetics and dealing with Islam and so on. Should I read the Quran? I usually tell them that's going to confuse you at the beginning. Hold off on that. You might want to look up certain, you might want to look up the verses on certain topics that you're interested in. But as far as just sitting down and reading the Quran, you're not going to get anything out of it. You're probably going to give up around midway through surah two you're going to give up and so if you think that's essential to doing apologetics with Islam you're going you're not going to last long because you're going to give up and say this is too confusing uh but yeah the Quran's just it's completely disorganized it jumps around when they arranged it they basically arranged it from longest apart from the opening prayer uh they basically arranged it from longest chapters the shortest chapters so the chapters are completely out of out of like historical order um and so very confusing there You can only figure out.
These passages mean or what the correct order is by going outside the Quran to these massive multi-volume collection of stories called the Hadiths and to the Sira literature and so on. And the impact that that has had on the Muslim community over the centuries is that, keep in mind, when I cited Surah 4, verse 65, that you can't have any resistance against anything Muhammad has said. You can't come up with your own interpretation of things. That's the sin of innovation in Islam. That's a one-way ticket to hell. If you come up with your own interpretation, your own understanding, that's a one-way ticket to hell. So the result of the Quran being very, very confusing and requiring these massive multi-volume collections of other sources and commentaries in order to understand what the Quran is even saying, the impact, the practical impact that it's had on the Muslim community over the centuries is you don't want to just read the Quran for yourself, because if you do, you're going to misunderstand some things and you might fall into some massive sins as far as coming up with your own understanding, misunderstanding passages, and you're actually...
Going against Muhammad's understanding on some of these issues. And so you're actually in a lot of trouble not realizing it. So you don't want to do that. So the impact that this has had is you either need to learn all of it. So you learn the Quran and the commentaries, the Hadith, the Syria, you learn all of that so that you understand the Quran accurately, or sit down, shut up and listen to what your scholar says. The scholar who understands all this stuff, listen to what that guy says. And so your average Muslim, and this is shocking because we think of Muslims as very knowledgeable about their religion because we see them go to the mosque, we see them dressed in a certain way. No, Islam emphasizes that Muslims need to understand these basic practices and they need to do these things. They need to fast during Ramadan. They need to dress a certain way. They need to take the pilgrimage. But as far as understanding their book, it was shocking to me how little Muslims know about their book. In fact, the vast majority of times, the vast majority of times when I'm quoting the Quran to Muslims, they have no clue what I'm talking about because they're just not familiar with it. And that's kind of sad because you're trying to expose Muhammad by quoting these passages and they don't know what you're talking about. But there's a positive side to that as well.
Namely that when you're showing Muslims what the Quran says about all these issues, the question that rises in their mind is, wait a minute, why have I never heard this from my Imam? Why have I never heard this from my Sheikh? Why am I hearing these things from this Christian only? And so there can be a kind of light switch moment eventually like, wait a minute, have they been filtering information from, have they been hiding this stuff from me? Have my leaders been hiding this information about the Quran and Muhammad from me? And why am I getting this stuff from the Christian and so on? So that can actually encourage them to start studying Islam for themselves. And at which point they're going to be on their way out of Islam.
Hearts of Oak:
It doesn't be a perfect setup for a cult because you do something that is only accessible to a few people in a language that only Allah can speak in. That's a bit of a bummer that you have a God that can only speak in one language, but that you've only got one language and the vast majority don't understand it. And therefore, they just do what they're told to do in a robotic fashion. It does seem like a perfect setup for having a worldwide cult.
It is. It's considered a big religion just because of the size of it. If it were smaller, you would consider it a cult. But yeah, cult tactics are at the core of Islam. If you look at the tactics of any cult, that's exactly what Muhammad was doing the entire time.
When you engage with people when they begin to see through the nonsense that is in front of them um and realizing that they are born you're born a Muslim as a Christian you you make a choice later in life but Islam you're supposedly born into it and you're stuck with that when they begin to realize what they're born into doesn't really make sense um it's it's difficult for an individual to walk away because Islam is not just a religious belief, but it's tied to many cultures. And there's a huge difficulty to walk away from that which defines you as a person, I guess.
Dr David Wood:
Yeah this ties into what I was saying earlier about Islam placing these psychological barriers, in the way of Muslims so if Muslim leaves in the west the main issue he has to deal with is okay I might be shunned by my family and when I say family I don't just mean mom and dad I mean aunts uncles cousins your entire community if you are in an area let's say of London where the, you've got the Muslim community and your family is part of the Muslim community and so on you say I don't really believe this. Your life gets very, very difficult. So the inclination would be lots of times to just, okay, I'll just keep going with the flow. I'll deal with this at some point later in life.
That's in the West. If it's in a Muslim country and you're leaving Islam, that's a different story entirely because now you might have to deal with legal authorities. You can have to deal with your family just doing something to you and so on. But yeah, Islam makes it very very, very difficult, regardless of where it happens. Islam always makes it very difficult to leave Islam. And as far as how Christians should respond to this, keep in mind, Muslims are in a position very similar to the first century. If a Jewish teenager heard the preaching of Jesus and wanted to go follow Jesus, well, that might lead to problems with his family if his family rejected Jesus and so on. And so it's kind of a similar situation, but it's interesting because some of the same principles would apply where Jesus tells people that they may have to give up various things, but you're actually getting more. So you may have to give up, you may lose your family, but you're getting a much bigger family. And so Christians actually need to make this common knowledge among Muslims that, hey, if you guys have to give up your family, if you are shunned by your family because you leave Islam, guess what? We're going to take care of you. You have a much bigger family out here waiting for you.
Hearts of Oak:
Tell me about how you engage it. What for you is the big thing? I saw you having a celebration with Jay on the holes in the Qur'an and how that's come out, the different Qur'ans. Then you have the history that Islam teaches, and you find out that that begins to unravel as well. Which part of it do you see as being the main focus maybe at the moment or over the last few years, certainly for your work personally?
Dr David Wood:
Well, I've always been pretty much the same in that you have the arguments that Muslims are using to show that Muhammad is a true prophet. So we want to respond to those kinds of arguments. But also, what are the arguments that are most effective in dealing with Islam? So what are the arguments you use to expose Islam? What are the arguments that are most effective at exposing Muhammad and the Quran? and then how do you respond to the arguments that Muslims use to show that Islam is true. So those are the kind of issues that I've always focused on. And if you look at the arguments that Muslims used over the past several decades, the reason the holes in the narrative.
Talking about the holes in the narrative about the preservation of the Quran, the reason that was such a big issue was that was one of their main arguments, if not their main argument for a couple of decades, was this argument from perfect preservation.
They argued that the Quran has been miraculously preserved, dot for dot, letter for letter, and so on, from the time of Muhammad. I have Muslim apologetics books that say that there has not been one single letter changed in any single Quran manuscript, any single copy of the Quran from the time of Muhammad to the day. It's complete nonsense.
It was a lie. This goes back to what I was calling the 99-1 rule. If If you're going to tell a group of people, hey, the Quran's been perfectly preserved, it's a miracle. Because you might wonder, if you're not familiar with this, you might be wondering, wait, why would a book being perfectly preserved be a miracle? I mean, if I take a copy of some book on my shelf and I find out this book is just, it's never changed or something like that, why would that mean that it's from God? But the reasoning is that if every time someone sits down to copy the Quran, they are miraculously preserved from making any sort of like scribal error or something like that, then this seems like it's god preserving it so that's the idea problem is it was it was just complete nonsense I mean if you if you go to the Muslim sources about the compilation of the Quran you find entire chapters came up missing because uh Muslims didn't recite those enough and they forgot them because early on they were trying to preserve it through memory um you find large passages of the Quran came up missing over 200 verses were lost just from surah 33 because the only people who had those passages memorized died in battle and they actually had a copy but Aisha's sheep He ate the only copy.
So, I mean, you go to the Muslim sources and Allah can't even protect the Quran from a sheep. And you're talking about this perfect, miraculous preservation. So verses are lost.
So that's what you find when you look at the Muslim sources. Then you can examine manuscripts. You can put manuscripts side by side. You find all kinds of differences, tens of thousands of differences when you examine Quran manuscripts. scripts. And then you get to the issue of different kirat in the world today. So there are actually different versions of the Quran that are used in different parts. Since the Ottoman Empire was the main empire of Islam, since that was the caliphate for centuries, their version, the version of the Quran that was popular with them, the Haftz Quran, that became most popular. And that was eventually what was used in compiling the 1924 Cairo edition of the Quran, the Haas version. So for most, for lots of Muslims, they're reading, they're reading that version of the Quran, but they're, that's not universal. You can go to, you can go to other parts of the Muslim world and they use different, different versions of the Quran. And so it was just a, it was just complete nonsense. It was a lie. It was at some point, some Muslim leaders just made this up and they spread the lie. And then people's confidence in Islam is based on this lie. It's the same thing with the scientific miracles arguments where they said the Quran is filled with all these scientific miracles.
It's the same thing with arguing that because of Muhammad's amazing character, he must be a true prophet. No one could be this awesome and amazing if he weren't a prophet. These arguments only work in an atmosphere of ignorance. They only work in an atmosphere where no one knows about any of this. And guess what? That was the situation in the West when Muslim Da'is, their version of evangelists, these are people who invite people to Islam, when their preachers came to an area and started saying, oh, our book's been perfectly preserved, dot for dot, letter for letter. There are all these scientific miracles.
Muhammad's the greatest man ever. No one was in any position to respond to any of this. And so they were able to actually convince people and win converts based on complete total deception. And so one of the main goals of me and many others over the years has been just to respond to these. And fortunately, over time, they collapse. You don't find lots of Muslims using the perfect preservation argument anymore. You won't find any other dawah guys using this anymore, unless they know they're talking to someone who is completely clueless. They wouldn't dare try that with Bob from Speaker's Corner or Chris. They wouldn't dare try that with anyone nowadays, because they know it's a lie and they know it's been exposed. Same thing with the scientific miracles argument. They wouldn't dare use that with any knowledgeable Christian. They would only use that if they walk up to someone, hey, do you know anything about Islam? Oh, you don't know anything about Islam? Oh, let me tell you about Islam. They'll use it there. And so if you know that their arguments only work in an atmosphere of ignorance, because they're based on complete deception, the way to respond to that is to just.
Make an informed population. Make sure that there's always someone around who knows about this stuff. And the dawah, the dawah will never work. So that's one side of it. And the other, the other side is actually challenging Islam, exposing the Quran, giving arguments that Muhammad is a false prophet. And there's just, just plenty of that out there.
Hearts of Oak:
Because again, you grew up in the West and you have criticism of Christianity. If you, I grew up pastor's kid and massive criticism at school and debate and argument. and you have that, Islam seems to be a protected characteristic where you don't have. So your experience with Nabel, talking to him and beginning to expose, most Muslims do not get that. Most kids at school, when they learn about Islam, they learn it's perfect. With Christianity, they may be told, actually, there may be concerns of this or this historical document, and they have criticism early on. Islam doesn't have that. So it is difficult, I'm assuming, for a Muslim to walk away from something that they believe is perfect and their whole world is based on.
Dr David Wood:
And that's why actually responding to the arguments and using arguments to expose Muhammad is so absolutely essential. And fortunately, Christians are catching on to this because back when I was starting, the main response I got from Christians was, look, if you want to preach the gospel to Muslims, just preach the gospel. Don't ever criticize Muhammad or the Quran. That's just going to drive them away. And they had no idea how dangerous that idea was. So I'll just give an example. You mentioned Nabil. Nabil told me after he became a Christian, after he became a Christian, he said, we spent years examining the evidence for the death of Jesus, for his resurrection, for the reliability of the New Testament, for belief in his divine nature. We spent years going over all this. And he said, I was actually thinking, when we would go through the evidence, when we would watch lectures and debates, when we would read books on these issues, he said, I would be thinking.
Wow, Christians have a much better case than I thought they did. They actually have good reasons for everything they believe here. He said he was realizing that as a Muslim, but he said what kept him being a Muslim at that time was he was thinking, but even if they can show me with 99% certainty that Christianity is true, that all these claims are true, even if they show me with 99% certainty that all these claims are true, I'm still 100% sure that Islam is true because of the the scientific miracles, because of the perfect preservation of the Quran, because of the character of Muhammad, because of all these things that were just based on lies. So think about this. You have Christians in the West saying, don't criticize Islam. Don't criticize Islam because that's just going to drive Muslims away when their heads have been filled with lies and they think that they have an airtight case. And so you're saying, hey, don't respond to what they think is an airtight case and is nothing but lies. Don't respond to that. And so what? You're just going to leave them with this 100% confidence in Islam that is based on lies and you don't want to deal with that. So I have to say, by experience, just my experience over the years, I would estimate that probably 95 to 97% of Muslims who leave Islam, it only happened after their confidence in Muhammad was shaken. That's when they were able to take an alternative seriously. So it's really, really important to expose those lies and that deception to show these problems with Islam.
And again, fortunately, fortunately, Christians have woken up to this over the years because back, this is actually kind of funny. When I was starting, so years ago, and I would hear this, don't ever criticize Muhammad or the Quran. That's something you never do. That'll never work. And I'm thinking, wait a minute. I know from experience that works. I know from experience that works. And so I actually tried to figure out where are Christians getting this idea? Is it just because Christians in the West have become obsessed with being super nice? Where's this idea coming from? And I was able to trace it to two sources where they were getting this idea. One, there were Christian missionaries in Muslim countries who would come back to the US because churches back here are supporting their work. And there were Christians who are missionaries in the Muslim world, Saudi Arabia and so on. And they would come back to the the U.S. and you'd say, oh, wow, we've got a missionary to the Muslim world here. Hey, come tell us about witnessing the Muslims. And the Christian missionary would say, yeah, and don't ever criticize Muhammad or the Koran.
Well, that makes sense in Saudi Arabia, right? You have to be careful in Saudi Arabia. That makes sense. It doesn't make sense over here. What are you talking about? In fact, you could say, okay, if it's really difficult to criticize Muhammad and the Quran over there, fine, we can do it over here and we'll put it online. We'll get the message out for you. But the takeaway for people was, okay, just don't ever criticize Muhammad or the Quran. That's just going to lead to problems. So they're hearing that from Christian missionaries. But then the other source was they were hearing it from Muslim speakers at interfaith meetings, right? So they're actually going in there to an interfaith meeting where you have Christians and Jews and Muslims all gathered together. And the Muslim speaker would say, hey, it's great that we're building these bridges here. It's great that we're all getting along. Isn't this great? And as a Christian, you're saying, yeah, it's great. It's great being in a room with Muslims and everyone else. It's great. And so you say, hey, if you want to keep this going, just remember one thing.
Never criticize Muhammad or the Quran because that would just destroy all these great bridges we're building. It would just destroy it all. So remember, never, ever criticize Muhammad to the Quran. That's just going to drive Muslims away. And then you'll never get along with Muslims ever again. And Christians go, oh, okay. And then they tell me this stuff and I'm sitting there thinking, are you serious? You think that the Muslim speaker is giving you accurate information about how to lead Muslims out of Islam? Are you serious? Are you joking? You believe that? You believe that this guy is trying to give you a good methodology for leading Muslims to, are you serious? Are you joking? And so, but that was so common back then that it was just, look, you just, I'm just going to have to show them. And so the, what's happened over the past two decades is basically the, the people who are blasting away at Muhammad and the Quran, that's where everyone sees Muslims leaving Islam. And all the people who say, don't do that, they don't see anyone leaving Islam. And so Christians have just realized over the past couple of decades, wait a minute, this is just, this is very effective. It's actually very effective criticizing Muhammad and the Quran.
Hearts of Oak:
On because of it just to finish off um I mean jay talks always I'm sure you do about the book and the man the book of the man and you look at you compare as a Christian as Christians we want to present Christ because we believe that Jesus actually is a solution actually he is the way the truth and the life and you compare him to Muhammad and you think well you've got this This violent, bloodthirsty warlord that just wants to get his own way and makes up theology because he hears stuff in his head. That's not really the person I would like to follow. So when you compare them side by side, there does seem to be only one option. But yet in many Muslim countries, I guess people have not seen who Jesus is and therefore do not have the option of following him.
Dr David Wood:
Yeah, that's correct. If you listen to, because Muslims have their information filtered for them, they think of Muhammad as this really, really great, wonderful guy who, if you were to put him side by side with Jesus, you'd say, wow, these are both really, really wonderful guys. But that's just because their information has been filtered from them. Lots of Muslims, I mean, lots of Muslim leaders understand that there are all these issues. And so they hide this from Muslims. And so they're not going to hear it from anywhere else. They have to hear it from us. They have to hear this. They have to hear this information from us. What's amazing is there's a radical difference between Jesus and Muhammad, even in the Muslim sources.
Like you could just completely ignore the Bible if you just look at Jesus in the Muslim sources. So he's called the word of Allah. No one else is called the word of Allah. And Muhammad didn't even know what that meant, which we know what that means. In the beginning was the word. The word is with God. God, the word was God. The word became flesh. We know why Jesus is called the word. This has to do with his deity. Muhammad didn't know that. He just thought this was a name for Jesus. But in the Quran, Jesus is the word of Allah and he's called a spirit from Allah. And Muslims haven't thought through the theology of this. But when Allah creates something, he says, be, and the thing pops into existence, right? So a book, be, and something, a book will pop into existence. Chair, be, and the chair can pop into existence. That's how Allah creates. But when you're talking about Jesus, Jesus is the word of Allah That's something spoken out by Allah That's like something that originates from within Allah And Allah's speech is eternal So what? Jesus is the eternal word? What's going on? Are you not thinking about this? And then the spirit, a spirit is something that Allah breathes out Allah breathes out the spirit.
And so here it sounds like Jesus is from within Allah, which makes him different from all the rest of all the rest of creation. So Jesus is the word of Allah. He's a spirit from Allah. He's sinless in Islam. He's called faultless in the Koran. And in the Hadith, you find out that Satan touches every child that's born into the world, including Muhammad. But he couldn't touch Jesus. He was he was prevented from touching Jesus. So Jesus ends up sinless even in Islam. Jesus lives the most miraculous life in history in Islam. Jesus does things like he creates in the same way that Allah creates. This is in the Quran. I'm not talking about Christianity. I'm talking about in the Quran.
Allah creates Adam by fashioning Adam out of clay, and then he breathes the spirit into it, and then Adam comes alive. life. Jesus says, hey, look at this. He does it with a clay bird. He makes a bird out of clay, breathes the spirit into it, and then the bird comes alive. He creates in exactly the same way Allah creates in the Quran. So he's performing all these miracles. He's the Messiah. All these things are unique about Jesus, make him completely different. And you look at Muhammad, even in the Muslim sources, he's awful. He's terrible. So you can actually compare Jesus and Muhammad even in the Muslim sources and making a pretty airtight case that Jesus is superior to Muhammad. When you actually really, really go into the history of Muhammad and you look at the Jesus of the Bible, it's night and day. But Muslims don't know that, and they're not going to ow that until we show it to them.

Barbie Rivera - Enough Is Enough: Exposing the Education System's Failures

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Delighted to have Barbie Rivera join us as she discusses her book "Enough is Enough," sharing her personal experience with her son being labelled as 'mentally handicapped' by the school system, despite no signs of it at home. She criticizes the pressure to medicate children in schools and highlights the education system's failure in supporting her son, leading to low self-esteem. Barbie advocates for home-schooling as a solution, sharing success stories of her own children thriving in a personalized environment. She calls for an individualized approach to education and envisions a future where home-schooling is a common option. Barbie aims to raise awareness about education system flaws, promote home-schooling, and revolutionize children's education for a brighter future
Barbie Rivera is an artist and mother of four. Painting her way to “fame and fortune” was her dream; however, in 1991 after a teacher told her that her six-year-old was “mentally handicapped” and in need of psychotropic medication, Barbie put her paintbrushes aside and began to start a school from her home. She found teaching to be just as creative, if not more so, than fine art. Within the first week of home-schooling, Barbie had seven additional students who were the children of friends, all learning to read, write and do math. No stress. No homework. No state-required tests. The word of mouth spread, creating such a demand that Barbie established a small private school, H.E.L.P. Miami.Over the last 30-plus years, Barbie has encountered hundreds of children who, like her son, were told they could not learn. Many had been placed on multiple mind-altering medications before their baby teeth had fallen out. Barbie found that in addition to the medications being pushed, the textbooks and lesson plans were overly complicated and deliberately confusing, thus ruining a child’s natural love of learning.Her new book Enough Is Enough! fully documents the destructive agendas and psychological manipulation that American children are subjected to in mainstream public, private and charter schools, which aims to “keep them drugged and keep them dumb.”
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Hearts of Oak:
I'm delighted to be joined by a brand new guest. Thanks to the wonderful Sam Sorbo for connecting us. And that's Barbie Rivera. Barbie, thank you so much for your time today.
Barbie Rivera:
Thank you for having me.
Not at all. Whenever I hadn't come across your book and whenever Sam had sent it over, it was intriguing, fascinating subject on education and the battle and the fight that many of us are learning that we're having. And there is the picture there, Enough is Enough, exposing the education system after their failed attempt to label and drug my son. And we're going to get into your personal story, which is what the book, the personal story, and then looking at the education system. And then you end up on what you had to do, your actions on it. But you're the founder and principal of Help Miami, a K-12 private school, author of Enough is Enough. And we're going to go in there. And I saw the Red Epoch Times article, and they did a 16-page article about this in 2022. And the links will be in the description, whether people are watching or they're listening on any of the podcasting apps later on. But tell us right back to 1991.
You were brought into the school and your six-year-old was labeled as mentally handicapped by the school. So, yeah, tell us about that situation as a parent.
Barbie Rivera:
Okay, so I never let him get officially labeled, but that's what I was told he suffered from. And we're talking the second Friday of the school year. Like, the second Friday. And to be completely honest about my son, and I'm not one of these parents of my child does no wrong. He never tells a lie. I have eyes in the back of my head. I know my kids, right? But Damon was bilingual when he was six. I don't speak two languages. His grandfather is Cuban and they were bonded, you know, from birth, first grandson, very well behaved, like really easy going. He would, you know, very creative, like after dinner, put a blanket over the dining room table, make a tent would always draw was would play was would ask questions that were normal, like I understand these questions. So in school, I'm thinking they're going to love this boy. They're going to love him. And he's going to love school based on my experience in first grade. Anyway.
It was a disaster from the get-go. That Friday, I'm called in and I'm told my son is mentally handicapped and will need pharmaceuticals most likely for the rest of his life. And I'm like, what is even happening? How can, first of all, a teacher has no qualifications to tell me that. I'm not going to the teacher about cavities or about a skin rash. I'm not going to go to the teacher for mental health. So I'm like, what is happening here? And the teacher said he confuses the B and the D. And I'm like, well, they look alike. They factually look alike. And I think with practice, going back to my first grade, where first grade was really one full school year of learning your numbers to 20, to 20, and your alphabet. Like we didn't get into long vowel sounds until the end of first grade because you really needed to work on the basic sounds of the letters, right?
Anyway, he only had, they gave him two weeks and that was it. And I'm like, well, he doesn't confuse a cow and a refrigerator. So he knows differences. And then to further make their point, he also confuses the six and the nine.
And I'm like, they look alike. But the seriousness of how grave a situation it was that my six-year-old did not know the difference two weeks into the year, 10 days, 10 days into first grade, he could not determine. He made the mistake of swapping B and D on his handwriting. And he made the mistake of identifying six and nine. And I told the teacher, I'm like, okay, I'll take him off of all family financial responsibilities. He will no longer write checks or balance the check book. And I thought I was being funny. They didn't like that at all. They thought that I was for, I was degrading or demeaning them. I go, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Well, don't you care about his future? I go, yeah, but I'm also not panicking about what dress I'm going to wear to his wedding. He's six.
Again, my argument, over their head, I was very pregnant with my fourth child. So I did something, you know, it's like you have life regrets. This is a life regret that does not go away. I kept my son in school for the entirety of first grade because I didn't think I could home-school him. I was pregnant. I had my, I had a toddler that wasn't quite one. My daughter was three. And I'm like, I'm going to make a disaster out of my six-year-old. And I should have, I feel like I left my son in a burning building for my comfort. You know, because I, and I get it. I was pregnant. But anyway, by the end of first grade, my son thought he was stupid. That's what school gave him. He was convinced he was unwanted and convinced he could not learn. And I'm like there's no six-year-old on this planet who has the right to feel that way mentally handicapped or not. That's how I got started.
I mean look you know I'll pick up a number of those points but now as you look all the way back and have conversations with many other parents often you find you're in a situation and you're alone this is only you no one else understand or are struggling with this. And then you begin to realize actually the story is maybe replicated elsewhere. And we'll get into kind of failings in the education system and all of that. But as you just look back, how have you begun to understand that what happened with you was not just a single issue, that there are those cases happening across the country?
No, totally. And the scary thing is, it's like.
Shortly after I started home-schooling, I became a single parent, but even as a single parent, my kids, we had dinner every day. We had clean up time. The kids had chores. I'm talking when the baby was one. Now he's not going to be breaking rocks on the train line or anything like that, but he can help put things away. So they had responsibilities. I read stories to them every day. I'm talking years. So my son was well cared for. Like he was given ample attention. And he showed it. His manners were, he behaved very well, very respectful, spoke two languages, clearly this boy's loved. And if he is targeted, we're in trouble as a society. Like that was my, I was, I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. Cause I never thought that, you know, I always had this viewpoint of, oh, ADHD. Those are those crazy kids that run around a restaurant or a screen in a grocery store. And you know now I'm my kids are all grown and I think most of that is just bad parenting' sorry parents but I really do.
At the beginning the the rush to medicate is something that we are all now used to and we look around probably even more in the U.S. than the U.K. And there's a drug that will fix everything in your life and then you get another drug to fix whatever the first drug has caused. But for teachers to talk about giving drugs to children, that's not... Was this teacher medically trained? Has she been a nurse or a doctor or anything?
How does a teacher who is there to teach children how to read, to write, to learn, to do maths, how do they then decide, actually, this pharmaceutical company will give you a drug and that's what your child needs after two weeks?
Well, because of drug studies that are run in the school and the checklist that the teachers do, like I'm jumping ahead. But when I decided to home-school my son, instantly I had four or five friends that are like, I don't want to send my child to school. And when I started home-schooling Damon, now I was no longer pregnant, but now I had a 10-month-old, a one-year-old, a four-year-old, and Damon had just turned seven. So all that I home-schooled was second grade and kindergarten. I wouldn't take anybody else. So friends of mine who had children, you know, you kind of have family, you hang out with people your own age, and everybody has kids the same age. And the kids that were over at my house for sleepovers, the parents wanted me to home-school them. And I got so full that that's when I became a private school. Cause as soon as you move a home-school from a home into a commercial location, now you clap your classed as a private school. The point to that is as, as soon as I became a private school, now I'm on private school mailing list. I get flyers about cheerleading uniforms about football. You know, none of that applies to me. I'm still small, but I'm on that list. So I'm on also on the list for drug studies.
And again, I'm like, I'm shocked at what I'm about to tell you. And I actually write about this in the book because it's horrific.
Two pharmaceutical reps, they were actually PR students from a local university, came in with a drug study that they wanted my participation in. Red flags instantly up. I'm like, what is this? But tell me what it is. There were three levels of participation. The first level for every name, address, and phone number that I submitted to the the drug study, I get a hundred dollars. So Peter, I was told I could use my Christmas card mailing list of my great aunt Gladys, who is in her eighties. I'd get a hundred dollars for her. There's no way she's going to participate in an ADH. You know, it's, it's even their fraud is fraud. So the second level of participation, I was given a sample mental health checklist for me to fill out. It had 30 items on it. I did not have to sit face to face with the student. This was my opinion by observation.
And things on the checklist were student has bad handwriting. That's a signal for ADHD. But guess what? They don't teach proper handwriting anymore in school. So the kid develops his bad habits. You can't read what he writes. It's not corrected anywhere along the line because heaven forbid we correct the student. We don't want to, you know, hurt them in any way. Like that's ridiculous anyway. So if I submit the mental health checklist with name, address, and phone number, I get $500 per checklist submitted.
Now, Peter, if I sit with you and your wife and I get you to participate in the drug that they were doing the drug study on, which was at that time, it was a form of called Intuniv, which Intuniv has been on the market, but this was like a timed release. It was some variant of this drug. If I get you to put your child on it and enter the drug study, I get $5,000 per child.
And I'm told by these drug reps, the money could go to me personally because I own the school or it could go to the school. Cause let's face it, Barbara, your school is really small and ugly. And it's in the shopping center, that was supposed to inspire like, Oh, it is, you know? And I'm like, well, I'm going to be nasty now. I'm like, well, let's face it. I'm in Miami, the cocaine capital of the world. If I want to use drug money, I'll just put an ad on Craigslist. Hey, cocaine dealers, I need some of your funding. Like, but because the cocaine dealers aren't looking for the five-year-olds to get on drugs or the middle schoolers, it's ridiculous. And then I was told that they couldn't believe that I refused the money could not believe it and I was told I was the only educator in all of south Florida day-care private school uh Christian schools catholic schools charter schools public schools I was the only one to say no.
I remember looking at doing drug studies uh as a as a grown up thinking actually that could be a way to make money but it sounds as though the the big, the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry is allowed to use children as as lab rats in effect
That's right
And that's how you have the teachers because the teachers will get offered kickbacks. Now you don't call it that, but hey, fill out this mental health checklist on a student who's on three different pharmaceuticals. Could you fill this out once a month? We'll give you $25 in gift cards. Like what is this?
I want to get on the education, but just that thing. I remember in, oh, I mean, I've travelled probably eight different times to the U.S. in the last two years. And one thing that really strikes me is the adverts for different medical procedures, different drugs on TV. And I realize that actually Americans are bombarded with them much more than we. I don't think we really have any adverts for medication on TV. And yet in the States, it's the norm. So it is a whole culture that actually is bombarded and soaked in actually, drugs are the way to fix things. And whenever it happens from, whenever that message is given in regards to children, I mean, you start early, I guess, and then you've got a clientele that is hooked on your products.
Yes. No. And I, from my experience, now this is my experience. I've never gone to college. I've done what I've done out of passion to save my kids. Right. And then I can't be blind to what's around me. That's why I'm still doing what I'm doing. The longer these kids are on these medications, the harder they are to teach. But to me, that makes sense because some of the drugs are in the same class as cocaine. And let's say that we give a low level dose of cocaine to a five-year-old when their brain is developing before their baby teeth have even fallen out. And we keep that dose going. It's going to have an effect and it's not going to be, Oh, 30 years of this. No, it's going to have an effect in about three months, if not instantly. And then I have parents that are like, well, I don't give it to them on the weekend or at summer break. I'm like, it doesn't even make sense.
So you've got two sides. You've got the financial incentive, and that's how you get people on, and kickback is the only term I can think of using for it. But then the other side is the, I mean, my younger one is certainly much more hyper than my older one, and doesn't sometimes seem to have an off switch. And in some circles you could say actually that's ADHD and we need to actually give drugs, is this a way for teachers to just have an easier life if they've got a large classroom if a child is a little bit more agitated or hyper than others they can just drug them and quietens it down and the class is easier. Is it that kind of financial gain, but also an easier life within the classroom?
Yeah, because I mean, there's a couple of approaches to that. Yes. And even the term hyper, like when the psychiatric community started labeling children for being children, that's a problem. Oh, he's hyperactive. Damn right. He's hyperactive. He's five. What do we want, that's like labeling my basset hound hyper bitey, he's three months old, yeah dogs go through the puppy stage, you know and it's like, I use my book to compare, my upbringing and what the modern is, so that you come to a conclusion I'm actually not even even trying to lead somebody. I'm not saying, Hey, you should not do this. Like make up your own mind. But factual, I was born in 1964. I'm number four of five for my parents. My parents didn't get matching furniture until all five of us were out of the house.
Why? Because when they went to the grocery store, we got our wiffle ball bats out. We had an Olympic stadium in the living room. They knew it.
We would be running. If it was snowing outside, we took the play inside and would be playing tag and flicking people, flicking each other with the dish towels. It was a noisy, rambunctious house. And my parents, they never said, hey, my dad would say, keep it to a dull roar. But it was never shut up, never sit down and watch TV all day or, wow, can I put a device in my children's hands? It was never that. We were never expected to be quiet. And in school, again, making the comparison to my son's first grade experience, which was nine o'clock to three o'clock with a lunch break. And most of that time was seat work. And then he got two to three hours of homework every night. That is to me, that's mind control because a six-year-old is not equipped to handle that. Adults won't do homework unless they're being paid. So what's the payoff for my six-year-old? Just drudgery. He hated school and that happened. He started school in August. He hated it by the end of September. Like he's a quick boy. So his mind was made up.
My first grade was, we had a break in the morning, recess, 30 minutes, and it wasn't wild playtime. It was 30 minutes with the teacher on the playground, us holding hands, singing songs, whatever. Then we had lunch. Then we had a break in the afternoon. I did not get homework until I think the fourth grade because it just was not allowed. And I remember in my kindergarten, which was non-academic kindergarten, a police officer would come in and tell you how be nice to old people. You know, it was all very hands-on. You'd make things. You were always making things. There was a daily arts and crafts. There was singing. There was book time. You had the line-up to go to the bathroom. You were learning social skills.
In kindergarten, I told the teacher, I complained, I'm like, I want to read. I want to learn to read. She goes, Barbara, what's your hurry? That's for first graders. And that was for first graders. Now for me as a home schooler, if I had a five-year-old that wanted to read, I would teach them to read, but that's me with five kids in my house. But my son was expected to write book reports before he could read. He was expected to know the difference between the D and the B before he practiced the difference between the D and the B. Maybe it would take him two weeks. Maybe it'd take him two months. Maybe it would take him 10 months. But it really doesn't matter.
And again, the whole education system, like you say, we're bombarded with the drugs. The parents pick up on the lingo. Oh, he's hyperactive. I'm like, really? That's hilarious. Of course he is. They have more energy. They're growing.
And is that danger of being labelled? And you talked about not wanting your child to be labelled. And a label on a child can be very harmful. It can put unnecessary expectations on them or doubts and fears on them whenever that's stabbed and we've certainly experienced that in or understand the education system you need to weave a line because no you don't wantcertain labels whatever they think, but it's this rush to label things that is a fairly newer phenomenon, it certainly didn't happen when I was growing up. But when we were in school, it was just kids are kids. Now there's a rush to label. And I guess label gives them the ability to medicate or bring other action or to bring individuals in. And no, no, just let them enjoy school. But yeah, this labeling issue is huge.
Exactly. And when I, like similar to you, I think I'm older than you by much. But when I went to school, there was no one labeled. I don't recall anyone in my class taking Medicaid, having to leave the class to take medication, but now there's a label for everything. If you are doing well in school in the United States, you are labeled gifted and you're put on an accelerated program because they're going to make sure they shut you down. You're competent. You know this. Well, we're going to load it on to make you sorry you ever raised that hand. And if you can't take it, then you have anxiety and there's a drug for that.
Anyway, to me, the United States, and again, my opinion, has surrendered any rights of education to the psychologists and to the psychiatrists who have taken over. And then you find that the kids, their papers aren't even being graded anymore because they don't want to do, I forget what it's called. They don't want to lower the self-esteem. I'm like, you're going to kill their self-esteem if you don't tell them that two plus two actually has an answer. Well, we let them do six because we want him to develop the critical thinking. I'm like, that's not critical thinking. The mind actually does that on its own. If you let it grow the way it's supposed to.
No completely. The second part of the book, the middle part, gives a great overview of the education system. And you go through all different dates. There was one quote that stuck out with me, and it was Rockefeller Sr. Saying, I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers. And such a mindset, surely, you kind of think of the American dream, innovation, freedom to actually be who you want to be and be successful. And that's what the world has certainly seen on the US. But this movement, I think, from the West to formalize everything and remove any concept of imagination or innovation will be the other end of any nation, whether it's the US, the UK, wherever it is. But it was fascinating, the middle part of the book, going through that and talking about Rockefeller and the money he put in and making the education system official and regimented and controlled and taking away a lot of the freedom.
Yes. But people don't see it that way. You know, they want that A. And now like I gotta, I'll tell you about a student that I worked with, who I don't speak about in the book, he was 16 years old failed eighth grade three times, his aunt from Texas called me, it's like, hey, he just won't go to school, like bring him, send him to me and it was right, excuse me, it was right before Christmas and this boy comes in very respectful and I'm like, okay, I'm going to need to tutor you over Christmas break because your academics need like the electrodes for the heart. We need to, we have no time. But he was in second grade in math. And he was allowed to stay in second grade because he was learning disabled. So that label, not only does it destroy the child, but it justifies not teaching him because he can't learn anyway. And so I tutored him over Christmas, an hour a day, 10 hours.
First thing I'm like, okay a hundred take away 81 he goes I never learned how to do it I am learning disabled, I am ADHD, there's something wrong with my mind and I go, okay so first thing we're cancelling all of it because it's not true, second thing here is a hundred dollar bill, you need to give me $81. Turn this $100 bill into 10 $10 bills. How much money do you have? Oh, $100. We didn't change anything. Now turn one of those tens into ones. And in about 25 seconds, he learned how to do that type of math for the rest of his life. So we went from a hundred takeaway 81. We were going into the millions and the billions because I'm like, Tony, you are not going to be able to succeed in life with a second grade level of mathematics. You will never run your own business. You will never be your own boss.
And in 10 hours, I got him to eighth grade mathematics, 10 hours. It took me to graduate him with the standard diploma he had to stay till he was 19 because like I say it was a disaster but he did the algebra 1, the geometry, the algebra 2 and he did it so well he could tutor it because that is the standard is that you know it and can use it but on all the mental health forms which I go into in my book, you have, in the United States, they're called different things, but like once the child gets labeled, they're given what's called an IEP, an Individual Educational Plan. This is supposed to be individual to the child. Sounds great. They're all the same. Basically, they just change the name and the date, you know.
So anyway, on that, you flip through and it's just a bunch of, to me, psychobabble, which it takes months to get these things. And I'm like, in what, with, in 10 seconds, I determined exactly where Tony was at in math. I did not need a checklist. I did not need a PhD. I did not need anything. I could have done it with notebook paper. I didn't need, I didn't even need an assessment. I just need to know what I'm, what I know and give him certain problems and I can determine where he's at anyway. So on this IEP, then it gets into what you're going to do with the students subject by subject, like how, I'll use Tony as an example, though, the example I'm going to give if it's not his IEP, but it would be similar. Tony is ADHD. Our goal, our measurable goal is that when Tony is given a grammar or language arts problems, he can solve the definition of the word with a 70% accuracy. When given grade level math or geometry, he can solve with 70% accuracy and they go through all of the subjects that Tony's taking.
And the goal, the measurable goal in writing is 70% accuracy. And here it's a parent showing me this proud. They went through all of the, this, and I'm like, okay, have you ever had a kitchen remodel? Oh yeah, we did one last year. I'm like, were you satisfied with 70% accuracy? Mom, do you ever get your nails done? Are you you ever satisfied with the 70% accuracy? And they look at me like I, a light bulb just went off. I'm like your son or your daughter deserves more than a 70% accuracy. The only standard there is, is a hundred percent. And if your child truly is special needs, he's going to need, he or she's is going to need care for the rest of their life because it's impossible for them to get a hundred percent accuracy on certain intellectual material, but not all, like they can, they, they should be able to feed themselves. Like those are called life skills. And when they're learning to use a stove, I'm not satisfied teaching somebody with special needs, how to use a stove and Oh, 70% is good enough.
It's crazy. And that's the standard of the United States. So they take like my son, if we took my son and he never got an IEP because he was never labeled, they're having a fit because he's 70% accurate on his B's and D's. But yet after they do all the prodding and probing and testing and this, that, and the other and drugging, their standard is that it's okay that he has 70% accuracy. And I'm like, what are, what was the point in all of that, what was the point.
I want to hear how home-schooling fits in and I think the only person I've had on talking about home-schooling was Sam, but which is a concept that's maybe a bit different to us in Europe because in some countries it's illegal to home-school, but that's the whole that will not even get into that, but tell us because I talked to some people and it's actually the education system needs improving, talk to others, and actually say, well, actually, home-schooling has to be a major option. You've moved into seeing home-schooling as a perfect option for you, but also believe it can be a perfect option for others. Tell us how that fits in, why that is a solution to the mess, I guess, that you have seen in the state system.
Well, home-schooling gives the parent a hundred percent control, right? Done right. It gives the child a challenge and a win. I have, as I mentioned, I have four children. All four of my children are vastly different. They have different responses. One can't stand scary movies. One is all about spiders, you know, like three boys and a girl, completely different. They could have come from different mothers. That's how different they are. So to try to put them, let's say they were all born on the same day. I have quadruplets. They're still vastly different. So you have to address them educationally different. Now you and I know they need to be able to read. They need to have grammar. They need to have some life skills that, you know, we know what they need to have, but we need to take that, what we know and cater it to what they need and want.
One of my children, Adam. Twice before he was five years old, birds in the sky flew and landed on his shoulder. And I'm like, well, that's intense. And he's like, he named them instantly. Like if it was plant, it's like, Hey Jake, how's it going? And I'm like, and Jake was this huge crow that in my mind, I'm going to, he's going to peck my son's eyes out, you know, and here he is. And Adam isn't fearful at all. And I don't want to put my fear into it, but to me, that's a gift. I can't teach that. And my son was only interested in animals. He was not interested in history. He was like for his reading material, he was interested in animals. So I call up his aunts and uncles, his grandparents from both sides of the family. I'm like, Hey, Adam needs books on animals.
He's learning to read. So let's, you know, keep it simple. By the time he was 10 on his own, he had read 250 books on his own on animals. And he once asked me like, he's like, where's the lemonade pitcher? I should have had red flags all over the place on that question because what 10 year old boy is going to want a lemonade pitcher? I'm like, oh, it's in the pantry behind blah, blah, blah.
Half an hour later, he comes in. The lemonade pitcher has 71 egg sacks of a black widow spider and four black widow spiders in it with the lid on. I'm like, I'm like, Adam, what are we doing? He goes, well, I read that they are very quiet. They're not aggressive. But we had a place in the yard where I thought it would be best to move them because the yard guy is going to come and cut that down. And I'm like, well, I'm glad you were thinking of the survival of the Black Widow spiders, but they're now in my house. So anyway, I call up Miami Museum of Science and we go. And he donated the spiders to their exhibit. But this is him. He was once playing, I don't know, playing football in the front yard in a Florida, they're called egrets. They look like storks. Came, its wing was at a weird angle and it landed right on him. And he told his friends, go get my mom I need a rubber band and a dish towel and he knew exactly he put the dish towel over the head secured it with a loose rubber band and he had me call some wildlife preserve, but a 10 year old boy knew exactly what to do because his home schooling was around, his love of animals.
He was allowed to solve problems in mathematics concerning animals. Hey, it's not been raining for four or five days. What are you going to do about the lizards? Well, I'm going to, you know, and he would go out and do a project. He wasn't on a device. He wasn't hooked to a TV. He wasn't bombarded with homework. He was using what he was learning in real life and solving problems. And it really served him well when he was a teenager, then he was all about history and war and uniforms. And he would write these amazing essays as if he was, he did something about World War II, that he was a teenager hitting that beach, seeing his friends die. And it was a great essay, but he is captivated with learning because he was home-schooled. That would never have happened in a regular school.
He would not have been given the freedom. If anything, he would have been labeled as being difficult because he didn't want to read whatever they were pushing. And again, I know that reading, reading is the top skill. You have to read words and understand what they, what they mean to survive. Math comes next, then language and expressing yourself. My opinion. Anyway, that to me is the result of home-schooling. So for me, my next book, once I get this one up and running, is how to make a living home-schooling. Because since the pandemic, like what I did, the word micro school did not exist. Because that's basically what I did when I took my son out of school is I had in my house 11 kids, including my four. But there's a way to do it to where you can make money. It might not be Lamborghini money. I mean, unless you have Lamborghini friends.
But I believe that right now people are fed up with the school system and they don't know the extent of why the kid is cited with, oh, he's a troublemaker, doesn't like to do homework. He's lazy. I'm like, well, have you taken a look at what he's been given? It's no longer math. Math has been abandoned as a subject when my son was in school. So we're 40 years or 30 something years past that point. It's not improved. It's gotten 10 times worse. And now with the pandemic, all matter of justifications are on in the United States on why we're graduating so many kids who cannot read and write. And they don't know that they don't know. That's the dangerous thing. If you tell me, hey, I need you to do anything with a computer, basically, I'm going to tell you, Peter, I don't know how to do that. I have no lost pride. But right now, I have a whole generation, the United States has a whole generation of kids that don't know that they don't know. And they have no skills to survive. And that's frightening.
The last point on on the book, you, it takes time to write a book. I've never done it. I don't think I ever want to. But it takes time to sit down, discipline, bring everything together. You want to tell, give a piece of information to the public through that. You want to give your story, but it's not just your story. It all connects into the education system, which is wider, and it's not just an American story. It could be a story here in the UK. It could be a story across Europe. That doesn't matter where you're geographically based, because we're all kind of having a similar battle. But what was your, when you sat down to put pen and paper, if I can use that term on the book, what was your desire for the book? What did you see the purpose of the book? What did you want to accomplish with it?
Well, there's a couple of things. There's one, I want people to know what they're up against. Because we have, like in the United States now, the pharmaceutical companies are no longer being looked at as the authorities, right? So there's a little bit of a shift in the reality.
There needs to be a bigger shift in that reality. The school system. People are like, oh, well, I did great in school. I'm like, yeah, school's not the same. My kindergarten is nowhere close to the kindergarten. The kindergartners that I'm getting in my school who are six years old, who were placed on Prozac when they were three in a day-care. I'm like, who puts a three-year-old on Prozac? How much attention or how much anxiety society or how much mental health problems can a three-year-old possibly have? And I know it's a lot if the parents aren't on board. But to me, we're labeling bad parenting as mental health issues and we're drugging the kid. It's the wrong target. So I want people to know that our children, not only are they being indoctrinated politically, and I don't touch the gender thing. I really haven't had any experience with that. But even that, that confusion, that basic confusion, it's school. And I could get the best dictionary and take a modern math textbook, and I will be frustrated within three minutes because a modern math textbook is not trying to get that child to master math.
It was written by somebody trained in psychology who thinks that they're using critical thinking skills instead of just simply the definition of the word sum is the answer to an addition problem. Write the sums here. Boom. Even multiple choice, that entered in after psychology came in. Can you imagine going to a heart surgeon and he's like multiple choicing your surgery? No, I don't want that. I don't want that. But yet that's the standard. Oh, 70% accuracy. Totally fine. As long as he's got that 70%. I'm like, well, what about the 30?
Multiple choice. He can guess it as long as he does well on a test. I'm like, no, our kids are being indoctrinated one to know that they don't matter and that they can't learn and that there's a drug for everything and the authorities come first. Don't question the authority. If you do, you're going to be labeled with some label.
So that was one of the reasons for writing the book. The other reason, I don't want to say this as like a self flattery because it really isn't, but my kids are all grown. I just turned 60 and I have this small private school. It has 50 kids in it. In my school, I have eight staff. I love my staff. they're parents like me or people really interested who've not been taught. They're not certified teachers, right? And we get great, we do great things. But this school was put there because I had my back up against the wall and it had to happen.
So I'm on the last part of my life and I don't want my work to die when I die. So I wrote a book because I feel, and I don't, I don't have the money to even fund the dream, if you want to call it that. That sounds kind of lame, but to fund the next step. Because the next step is, is I get a school, like a campus. I want 100 to 125 kids where I can bring, I want to develop a teacher training. I don't want the college. I don't want what the college says is acceptable. I want to do it myself. And I realize that anyone who's in their 20s, 30s, or 40s, their education, if they were educated in the United States, is subpar. So we're going to have to fix that, which is not a hard fix if you have somebody willing.
So develop teacher training. And then I want to create, I talk about a project it's called restore American literacy. And I want to create a curriculum company that is very simple, that I wish I would have had when I started home schooling of, this is what a kindergarten, this is the perfect kindergarten day. Here are the games you need to get from Amazon. Here's the teacher guide. So even if you didn't get it growing up, you're going to get it here. And it's going to tell you definitions of words, very simply put, it's going to give you the discussion points, but it's also going to allow the teacher to put their personality in it. Because like, if you're, if you're doing a lesson on dinosaurs, there's a hundred ways you can, you can take toilet paper tubes and make a giant a dinosaur. I don't care. There's a hundred ways to do that. And that's the creativity of the teacher because I don't want to shut the teacher down. But right now to do what I do, not bragging, you have to have a high IQ and you have to be motivated. And the school system is not graduating that anymore.
I 100% agree. I really enjoy going through and I think the book is for anyone giving them a window into the education system and what should be possible. It's called Enough is Enough, Exposing the Education System After Their Failed… available in the USA, all the links are in the description, but Barbie I really appreciate your time, coming on and sharing your story and telling us a little bit more about the book, so thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.