Hearts of Oak Podcast

Andrew Bridgen MP - First Excess Deaths Debate in UK Parliament

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At long last it has happened. Andrew Bridgen MP (Reclaim Party) secured a debate on excess deaths in the UK Parliament. Nearly twenty requests were turned down but Andrew simply would not give up. His courage and determination to find out the truth won in the end. Andrew gave a 25 minute presentation of all the data and facts which show a shocking rise in excess deaths since the covid jab rollout. The fact that many people have died after receiving an injection appears to be the very reason every government wants total silence on this issue. As you watch Andrew speak, be inspired to speak truth in the circles you find yourself in. Use the information in the speech to arm yourself with the facts. We now await a much longer 3 hour debate on excess deaths which Andrew is requesting.*This episode contains a background of the debate, the full speech by Andrew Bridgen MP, his message afterwards to the supporters gathered outside in Parliament Square and Peter catches a few words with the man himself.
Andrew Bridgen Member of Parliament for North West Leicestershire since 2010https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/andrew-bridgen 
Some Key Points Made During the Speech...- Ambulance calls for life-threatening emergencies ranged from a steady 2,000 calls per day until the vaccine rollout, from then it rose to 2,500 daily and calls have stayed at this level since.  - The surveillance systems designed to spot a safety problem have all flashed red, but no one’s looking.- Payments for Personal Independent Payments (PIP) for people who have developed a disability and cannot work, have rocketed with the vaccine rollout and have continued to rise ever since.- The trial data showed that one in eight hundred injected people had a serious adverse event, meaning the risk of this was twice as high than the chance of preventing a Covid hospitalisation.- There were just over 14,000 excess deaths in the under 65-year-olds, before vaccination, from April 2020 to the end of March 2021. However, since that time there have been over 21,000 excess deaths in this age group alone.- There were nearly two extra deaths a day in the second half of 2021 among 15 – 19-year-old males,  but potentially even more if those referred to the coroner were fully included.
Recorded 20.10.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak. Today we are here with Andrew Bridgen at a debate in Parliament, the first debate in this Parliament, on excess deaths. There's been very little debates, very little discussions on vaccine harms here. Of course, this is the issue that Andrew Bridgen MP was thrown out of the Conservative Party, the Tories, for beginning to raise the issue of vaccine harms and now raising the issue of excess deaths was simply is not discussed in this place. I've seen discussion in other parts of the world, especially Germany, with the AFD. But Andrew Bridgen has made this the hill that he will fight and die on. And he has been thrown out of the Conservative Party. He's lost that position he had for many years. Andrew Bridgen, of course, is one of the original Brexiteers, well known to any of us involved in the Brexit movement, in the UKIP movement.And Andrew has been fearless.He's one of those strange beasts in Westminster.He is led by conviction. He is led by courage and led by a desire to do what is right.And he had no desire to climb up the greasy pole. He's traditionally been a backbencher.So has stood his ground, kept his position as a lowly MP and not wanted to rise to the ministerial level, because that gives him the freedom to discuss what he wants.He's not held, he's not restricted by government restrictions, but he can say what he thinks and do what is right for his constituents, for those who vote for him, and realise that he is the servant of the people and he is not the servant of the government. So today there will be a debate led by Andrew Bridgen, I assume he will be one of maybe very few, one of one, who will actually speak on this. I'm really curious to see. I've seen a couple of Conservative, MPs who have touched on this, who have spoken a little bit about this, sometimes on GB News, but they have not gone as far as Andrew Bridgen. And Andrew Bridgen has gone this far. He has lost his job over it, and he doesn't care, because this is the right thing to do when a jab when an experimental vaccine, so-called vaccine, was rolled out and everyone was coerced and more or less forced to take it. Andrew was in that, he also took it, now regrets that and wants to keep raising the alarm on the ongoing effects of this and of course to challenge this government overreach that wants to force this upon everyone. This of course is a conservative government supposedly that stands up for freedom of speech, personal responsibility, rights, and yet all those traditional understandings of a conservative party have been completely upended and is no longer a party of freedom and liberty but is now a party of coercion and control. A number of MPs I assume will come in and speak after Andrew will present his position on excess deaths and ask the question, why is this? It seems to correlate to the rollout of the jab.You and I know that. We've seen the data. Andrew will be careful in how he puts it forward. He will use parliamentary language. He's skilled enough in this chamber to know what to say, what not to say, what connects with those in the chamber, and to win them over. Because ultimately, politics is about the art of persuasion. It is about winning the public over. And today, it is not necessarily the public is winning over, although you will watch the debate in a few moments, but actually is winning over MPs. And that also is crucial. Whatever you think, we still have 650 individuals and many of us mistrust absolutely, many of us detest. Many of us have had a traditional understanding of politics where there was a level of trust with our institutions and that included those in the building behind me. That is gone. I think for all of us, that is completely gone.And to have an individual who is a champion on the issue of curtailing that government overreach, asking questions, following the money, saying, was this just a push by big pharma for profits?Was this something darker? There are a whole load of areas we can go into, but Andrew has, wisely stayed within the areas he can understand. He has read papers, he has, understood them and he has presented those and I think he has been extremely wise on how far he has gone on this because it is a case of winning people over. That's what we have faced, all of us, over the last three years of winning friends, family, colleagues, connections over to persuade them that this is a dangerous experiment on not only the UK population but on the world population.We have a police car. I hope they don't want to arrest Andrew before his debate.I don't think even our government would do that, would they? Anyway, I will let you watch the debate, watch Andrew speaking, and then after I will try and catch up with a number of the people who have been here to support Andrew. I saw, Mike Yeadon earlier heading into the debate and I saw Matt Le Tissier earlier, I saw Fiona Hines earlier, I saw a big group of people who are here to support Andrew as he speaks truth and to let him know that he is not alone because it must feel very alone in that chamber. No one to back you, no one to support you and you feel as though you are a lonely voice crying out in the wilderness and yet.Many people have come to show Andrew that there are many people behind him who are indebted to him for actually speaking truth in this place and are standing with him shoulder-to-shoulder. So we'll hopefully talk to a few of those people after the debate.
(Andrew Bridgen MP)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. We've experienced more excess deaths since July 2021, than the whole of 2020. Unlike the pandemic, however, these deaths are not disproportionately of the old.In other words, the excessive deaths are striking down people in the prime of life.But no one seems to care. I fear history will not judge this House kindly.Worse still, in a country supposedly committed to free and frank exchange of views, it appears that no one cares that no one cares.Well, I care, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I credit those members here in attendance today who also care.And I'd also like to thank the Honourable Member for Lincoln for his support, and I'm, sorry that he couldn't attend today's debate.It's taken a lot of effort and more than 20 rejections to be allowed to raise this topic, But at last we're here to discuss the number of people dying.Nothing could be more serious. Numerous countries are currently gripped in a period of unexpected mortality, and no one wants to talk about it.It's quite normal for death numbers to fluctuate up and down by chance alone, but what we're seeing here is a pattern, repeated across countries, and the rise has not let up.I'll give way to my Honourable Gentleman. 
(Phillip Davies MP)
I'm very grateful and can I commend him for the tenacious way he's battled on this particular, issue. I certainly admire him for that. I just wonder where he found the media was in all of this, because of course during the Covid pandemic, every day, the media, particularly the BBC, couldn't wait to tell us how many people had died in that particular day without any context of those figures whatsoever. But they seem to have gone strangely quiet over these excess deaths now.
(Andrew Bridgen MP)
I thank the gentleman for his intervention. He's absolutely right. The media have let the British public down badly.There will be a full press pack going out to all media outlets following my speech with all the evidence to back up all the claims I'll make in that speech.But I don't doubt there'll be no mention of it in the mainstream media.You might think that a debate about excess deaths is going to be full of numbers.This speech does not have that many numbers because most of the important numbers have been kept hidden.Other data has been oddly presented in a distorted way, and concerned people seeking to highlight important findings and ask questions have found themselves inexplicably under attack.Before debating excess deaths, it's important to understand how excess death is determined.To understand if there is an excess, by definition you need to estimate how many deaths it would have been expected.The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development used 2015-2019 as a baseline, and the Government's Office of Health Disparities and Improvement used its 2015-2019 baseline modelled to allow for ageing, and I've used that data here.Unforgivably, the Office of National Statistics have included deaths in 2021 as part of their baseline calculation for expected deaths, as if there was anything normal about the deaths in 2021.Exaggerating the number of deaths expected, the number of excess can be minimized. Why would the ONS want to do that? There's just too much that we don't know and it's not good enough Mr. Deputy Speaker. The ONS published promptly each week the number of deaths that were registered and while this is commendable it's not the data point that really matters. There's a total failure to collect, never mind publish, data on deaths that are referred for investigation to the coroner. Why does this matter? A referral means that it can be many months and, given the backlog, many years before a death is formally registered.Needing to investigate the cause of a death is fair enough. Failing to record when the death happened is not. Because of this problem, we actually have no idea how many people actually died in 2021. Even now, the problem is greatest for the younger age groups, where there's, a higher proportion of deaths are investigated. This date of failure is unacceptable. It must change. There's nothing in a coroner's report that can bring anyone back from the dead and those deaths should be reported. The youngest age groups are important not only because they should have their whole lives ahead of them.If there is a new cause of excess mortality across the board, it would not be noticed so much in the older cohorts because the extra deaths would be drowned out amongst the expected deaths.However, in the youngest cohorts, that is not the case. There were nearly two extra deaths a day in the second half of 2021 among 15 to 19 year old males, but potentially even more if those referred to the coroner were fully included. In a judicial review of the decision to vaccinate yet younger children, the ONS refused in court to give anonymised details about these deaths. They, admitted that the data they were withholding was statistically significant and I quote they said, the ONS recognises that more work could be undertaken to examine the mortality rates of young people in 2021 and intends to do so once more reliable data are available.How many more extra deaths in 15 to 19 year olds would it take to trigger such work?Surely the ONS should be desperately keen to investigate deaths in young men.Why else have an independent body charged with examining mortality data?Surely the ONS has a responsibility to collect data from the coroners to produce timely information?Let's move on to old people, because most deaths in the old are registered promptly and we do have a better feel for how many older people are dying.Deaths from dementia and Alzheimer's show what we ought to expect.There was a period of high mortality coinciding with COVID and lockdowns, but ever since there have been fewer deaths than expected.After a period of high mortality, we expect, and historically have seen, a period of low mortality because those who have sadly died cannot die again.Those whose deaths were slightly premature because of COVID and lockdowns, died earlier than they otherwise would have.This principle should hold true for every cause of death and every age group, but that's not what we're seeing.Even for the over 85-year-olds, according to the Office of Health Improvement and Disparities, there were 8,000 excess deaths, 4% above the expected levels, for the 12 months starting in July 2020.That includes all of the autumn 2020 wave of COVID, when we had tiering, the second lockdown, and it includes all of the first COVID winter.However, for the year starting July 2022, there have been over 18,000 excess deaths in this age group, 9% above expected levels, more than twice as many in a period when there should have been a deficit.And when deaths from diseases previously associated with old age were actually fewer than expected.Mr Deputy Speaker, I have raised my concerns around NG163 and the use of midazolam and morphine, which may have caused and may still be causing premature deaths in the vulnerable, but that is sadly a debate for another day. There were just over 14,000 excess deaths in the under 65-year-olds before vaccination from April 2020 to the end of March 2021. However, since that time there have been over 21,000 excess deaths, ignoring the registration delay problem, the majority, 58% of these deaths, were not attributed to Covid. We turned society upside down before vaccination for fear of excess deaths from Covid. Today we have substantially more excess deaths, and in younger people, and there's complete and eerie silence, Mr Deputy, Speaker. The evidence is unequivocal. There was a clear stepwise increase in mortality following the vaccine rollout. There was a reprieve in the winter of 2021-22 because there were fewer than expected respiratory deaths, but otherwise the excess has been incessantly at this high level.Ambulance data for England provides another clue. Ambulance calls for life-threatening emergencies were running at a steady 2,000 calls per day until the vaccine rollout. From then it rose to 2,500 daily and calls have stayed at this level since. The surveillance systems designed to spot a safety problem have all flashed red but no one's looking. Claims for personal independence payments for people who've developed a disability and cannot work rocketed with the vaccine rollout and it's, continued to rise ever since. The same was seen in the USA, also started with the vaccine rollout, not with Covid. A study to determine the vaccination status of a sample of such claimants, would be relatively quick and inexpensive to perform, yet nobody seems interested in ascertaining this vital information. Officials have chosen to turn a blind eye to this disturbing, irrefutable and frightening data, much like Nelson did, but for far less honourable reasons. He would be ashamed of us, Mr Deputy Speaker. Furthermore, data that has been used to sing the praises of the vaccines is deeply flawed. Only one COVID-related death was prevented in each of the initial major trials that led to authorisation of the vaccines and that is taking their data entirely at face value, whereas a growing number of inconsistencies and anomalies suggest we ought not to do this.Extrapolating from that means that between 15,000 and 20,000 people had to be injected to prevent a single death from COVID.To prevent a single COVID hospitalisation, over 1,500 people needed to be injected.The trial data showed that 1 in 800 injected people had a serious adverse event, meaning they were hospitalised or had a life-changing or life-threatening condition.The risk of this was twice as high as the chance of preventing a COVID hospitalisation.We're harming 1 in 800 people to supposedly save 1 in 20,000.This is madness.The strongest claims have too often been based on modelling carried out on the basis of flawed assumptions. Where observational studies have been carried out, researchers will correct, for age and comorbidities to make the vaccines look better. However, they never correct for socio-economic or ethnic differences that would make the vaccines look worse. This matters.For example, claims of high mortality in less vaccinated regions in the United States, took no account of the fact that this was the case before the vaccines were rolled out.That is why studies that claim to show the vaccines prevented Covid deaths also showed a marked effect of them preventing non-Covid deaths.The prevention of non-Covid deaths is always a statistical illusion and claims of preventing Covid deaths should not be assumed when that illusion has not been corrected for.And when it is corrected for, the claims of efficacy for the vaccines vanish with it.COVID disproportionately killed people from ethnic minorities and lower socioeconomic groups.During the 2020, during the pandemic, the deaths among the most deprived were up by 23%, compared to 17% for the least deprived. However, since 2022, the pattern has reversed, with 5% excess mortality amongst the most deprived, compared to 7% among the least deprived. These deaths are being caused by something different. In 2020, the excess was highest in the oldest cohorts and there were fewer than expected deaths amongst the younger age groups. But since 2022, the 50 to 64 year old cohort has had the highest excess mortality.Even the youngest age groups are now seeing substantial excess, with a 9% excess in the under 50s since 2022 compared to 5% now in the over 75 group.Despite London being a younger region, the excess in London is only 3%, whereas it is higher in every more heavily vaccinated region of the UK. It should be noted that London is famously the least vaccinated region in the UK by some margin. Studies comparing regions on a larger scale show the same thing. There are studies from the Netherlands, Germany and the whole world each showing that the highest mortality after vaccination was seen in the most heavily vaccinated regions. So we need to ask, what are people dying of? Since 2022, there has been 11% excess in ischemic heart disease deaths and a 16% excess in heart failure deaths. In meantime, cancer deaths, only 1% above expected levels, which is further evidence that it is not simply, some other factor that affects deaths across the board, such as a failing to account for an aging population or a failing NHS. In fact, the excess itself has a seasonality with a peak in the winter months. The fact it returns to baseline levels in summer is a further indication that this is not due to some statistical error or an ageing population alone. Dr Clare Craig from the Heart Group first highlighted a stepwise increase in cardiac arrest calls after the vaccine rollout in May 2021 and Heart have repeatedly raised concerns about the increase in cardiac deaths and they have every reason to be concerned. Four participants in the vaccine group of the Pfizer trial died from cardiac arrest compared to only one in the placebo group. Overall there were 21 deaths in the vaccine group up to March 2021 compared to 17 in the placebo group.And there are serious anomalies about the reporting of the deaths within this trial, with the deaths in the vaccine group taking much longer to report than those in the placebo group.And that's highly suggestive, Mr Deputy Speaker, of a significant bias in what was supposed to be a blinded trial. An Israeli study clearly showed an increase in cardiac hospital attendances, among 18 to 39 year olds that correlated with vaccination, not with COVID. There have now been several postmortem studies demonstrating a causal link between vaccination and coronary artery disease leading to death up to four months after the last dose. And we need to remember that the safety trial was cut short to only two months. So there's no evidence of any vaccine safety beyond that point. The decision to unblind the trials after two months and vaccinate the placebo group is nothing less than a public health scandal. Everyone involved failed in their duty to the truth. But no one cares, Mr Deputy Speaker. The one place that can help us understand exactly what caused this is Australia. Australia had almost no Covid when vaccines were first introduced, making them the perfect control group. The state of South Australia had only a thousand cases of Covid across its whole population by December 2021, before Omicron arrived. What was the impact of vaccination there? For 15 to 44 year olds there was historically 1,300 emergency cardiac presentations a month. With vaccine rollout in the under 50s this rocketed to 2,172 cases in November 2021 in this age group alone, a 67% more than usual. Overall there were 17,900 South Australians who had a cardiac emergency in 2021, compared to only 13,250 in 2018, a 35% increase.It is clearly the vaccine that must be the number one suspect in this and it cannot be dismissed as just a coincidence. Australian mortality overall has increased from early 2021 and the increase is due to cardiac deaths. These excess deaths are not due to an ageing population because there are fewer deaths in the diseases of old age. These deaths are not an effect of COVID because they've happened in places where COVID have not reached and they're not due to low statin prescriptions or under-treated hypertension, as Chris Whitty would suggest, because prescriptions did not change and in any effect would have taken many years and been very small. The prime suspect must be something that was introduced to the population as a whole, something novel. The prime hypothesis must be the experimental COVID-19 vaccines.The ONS published a data set of deaths by vaccinated and unvaccinated. At first glance, it appears to show that the vaccines are safe and effective.However, there were several huge problems with how they presented that data.One was that for the first three-week period after injection, the ONS claimed, there were only a tiny number of deaths.The number the ONS would normally predict to occur in a single week.Where were the deaths from the usual causes? When this was raised, the ONS claimed that the sickest people did not get vaccinated, and therefore people who were taking the vaccination were self-selecting for those least likely to die.Not only is this not the case in the real world, with even hospices heavily vaccinating their residents, but the ONS's own data showed that the proportion of sickest people was equal in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.This inevitably raises serious questions about the ONS's data presentation.There were so many problems with the methodology used by the ONS that the Statistics Regulator agreed that the ONS data could not be used to assess vaccine efficacy or safety.That tells you something about the ONS.Consequently, Hart asked the UK Health Security Agency to provide the data they had on people who had died and therefore needed to be removed from their vaccination dataset.This request has been repeatedly refused, with excuses given, including the false claim that anonymising this data will be equivalent to creating it even though there is case law that, anonymization is not considered creation of new data. Mr Deputy Speaker I believe if this data was released it would be damning.That so many lives have been saved by mass vaccination that any amount of harm, suffering and death caused by the vaccines is a price worth paying.They're delusional, Mr Deputy Speaker. The claim of 20 million lives saved is based on now discredited models which assume that Covid waves do not peak without intervention.There have been numerous waves globally that now demonstrate that is not the case, and it was also based on there having been more than half a million lives saved in the UK.That's more than the worst-case scenario predicted at the beginning of the pandemic.For the claim to have been true, the rate at which Covid killed people would have to have taken off dramatically at the beginning of 2021 in the absence of vaccination.This is ludicrous and it bears no relationship to the truth.In the real world, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea had a mortality rate of 400 deaths per million up to the summer of 2022, after they were first hit with Omicron.So how does that compare with the Wuhan strain? France and Europe as a whole had a mortality rate of under 400 deaths per million up to the summer of 2020.Australia, New Zealand and South Korea were all heavily vaccinated before infection.So tell me, where was the benefit?The UK had just over 800 deaths per million up to the summer of 2020. So twice as much.But we know that Omicron is half as deadly as the Wuhan variant.The death rates per million are the same before and after vaccination.So where was the benefits of vaccination?The regulators have failed in their duty to protect the public.They've allowed these novel products to skip crucial safety testing by letting them be described as vaccines.They've failed to insist on safety testing being done in the years since the first temporary emergency authorisation.Even now, no one can tell you how much spike protein is produced on vaccination and for how long.Yet another example of where there is no data for me to share with the House.And when it comes to properly recording deaths due to vaccination, the system's broken.Not a single doctor registered a death from a rare brain clot before doctors in Scandinavia forced the issue and the MHRA acknowledged the problem.Only then did these deaths start to be certified by doctors in the UK.It turns out that doctors were waiting for permission from the regulator and the regulators were waiting to be alerted by the doctors.This is a lethal circularity.Furthermore, coroners have written Regulation 28 reports highlighting deaths from vaccination to prevent further deaths, yet the MHRA said in a response to an FOI that they had not received any of them.The system we have in place is clearly not functioning to protect the public.The regulators also missed the fact that the Pfizer trial, in the Pfizer trial, the vaccine was made for the trial participants in a highly controlled environment, in stark contrast to the manufacturing process used for the public rollout, which was based on a completely different technology.And just over 200 participants were given the same product that was given to the public.But not only was the data from these people never compared to those in the trial for efficacy and safety, But the MHRA have admitted that they dropped the requirement to provide the data.That means there was never a trial on the Pfizer product that was actually rolled out to the public.And that product has never been compared to the product that was actually trialled.The vaccine mass production processes use vats of Escherichia coli and present a risk of contamination with DNA from the bacteria as well as bacterial cell walls which can, cause dangerous reactions.This is not theoretical, Mr Deputy Speaker, this is now sound evidence that has been replicated by several labs across the world, and the mRNA vaccines were contaminated by DNA which far exceeded the usual permissible levels.Given that this DNA is enclosed in the lipid nanoparticle delivery system, it is arguable that even the permissible levels have been far too high.These lipid nanoparticles are known to enter every organ of the body, as well as this potentially causing some of the acute adverse reactions seen, there is a serious risk that this foreign bacterial DNA is inserting itself into human DNA. Will anybody investigate? No, they won't.I'll give way on that point. 
(Danny Kruger MP)
I am conscious that time is tight. I recognise that the hon. Gentleman is making a very powerful case. Does he agree that the Government should be looking at this properly and should commission of review into the excess deaths, partly so that we can reassure our constituents that the case he's making is not in fact valid and that the vaccines have no cause behind these excess deaths.(Andrew Bridgen MP)
I thank the Honourable Gentleman for his support on this topic and of course that is what exactly any responsible government should do. I wrote to the Prime Minister on the 7th August 2023 with all the evidence of this but sadly Mr Deputy Speaker I still await a response.What will it take to stop these products? Their complete failure to stop infection was not enough and we all know plenty of vaccinated people who have caught and spread Covid. The, mutation of the virus to a weaker variant, Omicron, that wasn't enough. The increasing evidence of the serious harms to those of us that were vaccinated. That's not enough.And now the cardiac deaths and the deaths of young people is apparently not enough either.It's high time these experimental vaccines were suspended and a full investigation into the harms they've caused initiated. History will be a harsh judge if we don't start using evidence-based medicine. We need to return to basic science, basic ethics immediately, which means listening to all voices and investigating all concerns.In conclusion, Mr Deputy Speaker, the experimental Covid-19 vaccines are not safe and they're not effective. Despite there only being limited interest in the chamber from colleagues, and I'm very grateful for those who have attended, we can see from the public gallery there is considerable public interest. I would implore all members of the House, present and those not.Support calls for a three-hour debate on this important issue. And Mr Deputy Speaker, this might be the first debate on excess deaths in our Parliament. Indeed, it might be the first debate on excess deaths in the world, but very sadly I promise you won't be the last.(Parliament Square Speech Andrew Bridgen MP)
But without further ado let's welcome to the stage Mr Andrew Bridgen.Thank you ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming down here to support the debate today, and thank you for supporting me and the cause.More? I just spoke for 25 minutes. Blood. It's been quite a week.Start of the week, get attacked from behind by a blunt instrument.But what an ending to this week. We have made history today. Nine months, more than 20 refused attempts to get a debate on excess deaths, the first debate on excess deaths in the UK, Parliament, the first proper debate on excess deaths in the world and I promise you, I absolutely promise you, it won't be the last. We will get a three hour debate in the next few weeks now on excess deaths.We've got two democracies under challenge all over the world. We're hanging over and using what we've got to make sure we get our message out there. On Tuesday next week I'm, I'm bringing in a bill, a ten minute rule motion, a bill called the Sovereignty and Referendums Bill. I'm going to put it to the House. That would stop, if we could bring that in, that would stop the WHO power grab of the people of the UK.I've been invited to speak as well next week on Zoom to some African political leaders, to try and persuade them to resist the WHO power grab, because it doesn't matter where we break this, we can break it in the UK, we can break it anywhere else in the world.This is a worldwide problem, an absolute assault on humanity, and we've all got to stick together.I've been an MP for nearly 14 years. I've given a lot of speeches in that chamber.That I was a bit nervous today because I knew there was never going to be a more important, speech I've ever given.I've never been in a more important speech than the one I was giving today.Can't you hear at the back?Turn up the PA. So, here we go. There was never going to be a more important speech than the one I was giving today, and, even after 14 years as an MP I was a little bit nervous standing up.But what really got me was, OK, there wasn't as many MPs in the chamber as I'd liked, but, the public gallery was full and the support from there was absolutely incredible.And they always say the politicians, that place over there, is in the Westminster bubble.We are going to burst the bubble in Westminster. Absolutely.Ultimately, my message to send you away with is that your determination, your cheerfulness, your resilience will deliver us victory. Thank you very much for coming today.
(Hearts of Oak)Andrew, we've just been in on the debate on vaccine harms. Tell us about the process, because it's been a long, hard battle, which you talk about in the chamber.
(Andrew Bridgen MP)
Yeah, I've been putting in since January every week for a backbench business debate.That was refused. I've put in for a Westminster Hall debate on a weekly basis and I've put in for an adjournment debate. Eventually, after nine months and more than 20 rejections, we had the first debate on excess deaths in the UK Parliament.I think it's the first one in the world, but I promise you it won't be the last.I think the dozen or so MPs who attended today's debate, I'm hoping I'll be able to get a get them to sign up that we can have a three-hour debate well before Christmas and then it's going to grow from there because ultimately the data that I imparted in the chamber today, it's all backed up with the science. Every MP is going to be getting a copy of my Hansard speech and the full data pack of all the evidence that backs up everything I've said. There's no excuses now. So this goes to law because it's a no-brainer really to have these conversations because we've all seen excess deaths across Europe.Ask yourself in a democracy why don't they want to have a conversation about anything? I mean, I'm aware that in the Australian Senate four or five senators asked for a debate on excess deaths they ended up having a debate on whether you should have a debate on excess deaths and the consensus of the Australian Senate was they didn't want to have a debate on excess deaths.Well, I mean that's a red flag straight away, isn't it?
(Hearts of Oak)
Last question, I assume you believe that there are some MPs that can be won over, that public figures have kept quiet a further reputation, which you don't care about and you've walked away from the party.Tell us about those who you think you can possibly win over and then support you publicly on this.
(Andrew Bridgen MP)
Well certainly some of the ones that were there today, I know of some who weren't there today who will support calling for a much bigger debate on excess deaths.And ultimately it's the pressure of the electorate, the people, and you could see that although the House wasn't very full of members, the public gallery was full and that shows you that public opinion is they want this issue debated, they want to know what's gone on, and it's their right to have it happen.And that will become an irresistible force for politicians. That's how democracy works.(Hearts of Oak)
Well, we've just had the debate in Parliament, a debate that I actually, to be honest, didn't think would happen. I thought that it would be stopped and held off.Only one member of 650 MPs in that place was willing to stand up and have this conversation, on vaccine arms as on excess deaths. He spoke for 24 minutes, presented everything in a measured calm manner, no emotion. One of the many things Andrew is great at, that he just lays it out gently, softly, step by step, that he doesn't raise the hyperball that maybe some others will rise to. And he laid it out in 24 minutes. And of course, the government's response is, Well, excess deaths are other factors, lifestyle factors, like smoking, like cholesterol, even fatty foods.So the government are blaming all the excess deaths over a period of a sudden spike in, smoking and a spike in eating fish and chips.That's what the government. Wow.Like ostriches with their heads in the sand. So Andrew presented his figures. The great thing is that we expect now there to be a much longer debate in Parliament. That was a short motion, a short debate, a 30 minute session. Andrew is hopeful that this can now go to a three hour fuller debate and that will be really interesting to see whether that gets tabled and whether it actually does go ahead and I would like to see other MPs backing Andrew and I think the more he speaks the more courage they will get. Andrew is someone with courage, with conviction, with a backbone, with a determination to speak truth and often, that is a rarity across there, it really is, really people want to, keep their heads down, they want to climb up the greasy pole and attain those higher levels of political achievement. So we obviously will watch this, follow Andrew. He is a hero. There's no one else in that Parliament across the way that's a hero like Andrew. And what else? I mean, it's the hill that he's chosen to die on. It's the hill that he has chosen to fight on. It's the hill that he has lost his career in the Conservative Party. And why? Because people are dying and no one is talking about it. What more important issue is there apart from life and death? And if something has been introduced and it's killing people, you need to look at it, you need to address, you need to understand it, to analyse it and then see what you do with that. So we have won here amongst 650. We will follow this and watch this closely as we see this move towards a fuller debate in Parliament and certainly my hope and prayer is that many other MPs stand up and speak, and that this happens across the world. We've seen a debate happening, I know, in the German Parliament with the AfD. I know we've seen debates happening in the Australian Parliament and the One Nation Party with Pauline and Malcolm are doing a fantastic job there.And here is one individual. Obviously, the Reclaim Party is behind Andrew Bridgen. He's a member of that of Lawrence Fox's party. And Andrew will continue to speak. And as he speaks, I believe that we will see ripple effects across the world because the world watches what happens here.This is called the mother of parliament and I believe that as Andrew continues to speak and continues to speak within this chamber that we will see other parliaments around the world address this issue.But this doesn't affect future debt, I mean, the damage is done, the deaths are happening.But at least you have to hold people to account.And for me, this is about justice. It's about honesty.It's about clarity. It is about truth, which is something that's been in short supply over the last couple of years during the COVID tyranny.So keep an eye on this space for Andrew to continue to push this.And when that longer three hour debate does happen, we will be here reporting on us and reporting on those who have come out to support Andrew today. Matt Le Tissier was here, Le God was in the chamber watching Andrew, Mike Yeadon was here speaking, Fiona Hine has done a great job in pulling people together. There is massive support and I think the parliamentarians in the government want individuals like Andrew Bridgton to feel they are alone, but they are not alone. They are backed by masses of the population and today was a small subset, of that, but Andrew knows he is not alone. Make sure and post this video, let others see what has happened here in the UK Parliament and have hope, because I think often that's also in short supply and I think what has happened today is a day of hope, is a day of reckoning and is a day of moving forward to actually presenting the truth and holding people to account.

The Week According To . . . Dr Niall McCrae

Dr Niall McCrae is back with us for our weekend look through some of the news stories, articles and social media posts we just couldn't ignore! Expect straight talking and free speech in abundance as we discuss...- Excess Deaths Debate, Andrew Bridgen MP and why no one cares.- Matt Le Tissier and Dr Mike Yeadon turn up in Parliament Square in support of Andrew Bridgen.- Amazon trials creepy humanoid robots with glowing eyes to see if they can help staff in  their warehouses.- Grooming Gangs UK: 17 despicable Rotherham nonces jailed as part of Operation Stovewood child abuse probe.- Nearly 70 MPs demand schools be forced to publish details of sex education lessons.- The reach and power of the World Economic Forum.- America’s “justice” system in 2023: 7 years in prison for posting memes vs 180 days for raping kids?- Elon Musk, owner of social media platform X, is considering removing the service from Europe in response to a new internet platform regulation in the region.- Allahu Akbar at Downing Street, the heart of British government.  Dr Niall McCrae is an officer for ‘Covid coercion in the workplace’ for the Workers of England trade union, the only union standing up for workers' rights and freedoms in the UK during these troubled times.From 2010 to 2021 he was a senior lecturer in mental health at King’s College London, and he continues to write on mental health matters.He was also a senior researcher for David Kurten and Peter Whittle on the London Assembly.His publications include several books including ‘Moralitis: a Cultural Virus’ (with Robert Oulds), ‘The Moon and Madness’, ‘Echoes from the Corridors’ (with Peter Nolan) and ‘The Year of the Bat’ (with MLR Smith).He is a regular contributor to Unity News Network, Gateway Pundit, Lockdown Sceptics, The Salisbury Review and The Light.
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Originally broadcast live 21.10.23
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Links to this weeks talking points...No one careshttps://x.com/wolsned/status/1715367362780631313?s=20Le Tissier and Yeadon https://x.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1715397021245247894?s=20Amazon https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/amazon-robot-new-digit-agility-b2432261.htmlGrooming Gangshttps://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/17-sex-offenders-jailed-as-part-of-historic-child-abuse-probe-4379778Sex educationhttps://web.archive.org/web/20231016111732/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/16/tory-mps-demand-schools-publish-sex-ed-lessons-rishi-sunak/ WEF https://x.com/ANTlWEF/status/1715460340530696377?s=20US Justicehttps://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1714927285835383279?s=20Musk https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-considers-removing-x-platform-europe-over-eu-law-insider-2023-10-18/Downing Streethttps://x.com/DVATW/status/1714746119287156906?s=20

Paul McGowan - Controlled Narrative: Has the Art World Been Captured?

Paul McGowan has strong common sense conservative views which are simply not allowed in the art world. His willingness to share his thoughts led to him being cancelled on different occasions. He returns to Hearts of Oak for a wide ranging conversation on topics like climate change and free speech. It all fits under the realisation that art is no longer about free thinking and opinion but about a controlled narrative driven by governments and institutions. 
Paul McGowan studied art at Falmouth, Winchester and Bath school of Art. His work has often created controversy and has been regularly featured in the press all around the world.He established himself as a fashion designer at a young age; when he was 20 he became the youngest designer to ever sell a collection to fashion house Browns, and went on to work for a variety of well-known fashion industry names, including Gianni Versace. During his formative years at Art School, he had his first exhibition in St Ives, and won the Tate Magazine Award. Since this time he has continued to develop a strong career for his distinctive - and often political - artworks, recognised locally in 2008 when he was appointed as artist in residence at the Eden Project.His work is collected across the world and he is a serial collaborator, often producing works released under different identities.Paul's works often provoke strong reactions. Perhaps the most unexpected was when in 2010 police in riot gear were sent to raid a central London gallery after one of the artworks - a fake bomb in the window - caused reports of a 'suspicious' device.His current work has been exhibited extensively in the UK as well as abroad.
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Interview recorded 17.10.23
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Francis O’Neill - The Rise of the Yellow Boards: Waking up the Public One Message at a Time

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Today we delve into grass-roots activism, we have all seen the yellow boards pop up at road junctions across the country, joined with a cacophony of car horns in support. When online censorship tries to curtail the flow of information, it's time to go back to the traditional methods. Billboards. Francis O'Neill has become known to many of us for his high profile involvement with this new/old medium. He joins Hearts of Oak to discuss why he got involved and what the response has been from the public. The concern has moved on from forced jabs to full covid tyranny and the threat of a cashless society, with control through surveillance now the biggest threat we face to our freedom.
Connect with Francis and The Yellow Boards Movement...X:                        https://x.com/FrancisxONeill?s=20                           https://x.com/YellowBoards?s=20SUBSTACK:       https://francisoneill.substack.com/LINKS:                https://heylink.me/yellow_boards/
Interview recorded 26.9.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Francis O'Neill. It is wonderful to have you with us.Thanks so much for giving us your time today.
(Francis O’Neill)
Thank you, Peter. Thanks for having me. 
Great. And obviously, wanted you on, seen many of the videos, pictures, the whole thing with yellow boards, trying to get a different narrative, I guess, to what the mainstream put out.But people can find you.There is your Twitter handle @FrancisXONeill. Also, the sub stack, the links are in the description and they're also on your Twitter page.Francis, maybe before we get into what's been happening, how you've been getting a message out, the response from the public, what are the issues which have become a freedom encompasses a lot and it's become much wider than anti-Covid tyranny.Do you just want to maybe introduce yourselves, because we have probably two-thirds US audience actually now, and they may not be aware of who you are.Do that first and then we'll jump onto the yellow boards.Well, I'm actually a self-employed artist and I was teaching just life drawing and portrait painting.I was living in Oxford and making a living doing that. I was teaching from a studio, which I rented as part of a complex with other artists.And that's how I was getting by. I was doing jobs, sometimes teaching in other locations, but I'd become aware that things weren't as presented in the mainstream media due to 9-11.I had questions on the day, but I wasn't really woken up on the day.I just thought that would be resolved by investigations and so on.But as you know, with the prevalence of the internet, I mean, you start to become aware that there are alternative theories out there.I started to look into that quite deeply. And once I became aware that the official story of 9-11 was not true, I started to question other aspects of our society, our history, the way we were being told things, the way information was being presented to us.And you start to question the sources.And so I became, I underwent the process that a lot of people have gone on since 2020. I underwent it probably around from 2003 onwards. And so when 2020 came, I was already aware that this wasn't going to be true. This was another ruse. This was another means of control. It was part of a larger agenda, which we now know is called Agenda 2030, or it's the World Economic Forum calls it The Great Reset, it is a means of removing our wealth and our, sovereignty to control us.From the very beginning in 2020, I thought something needs to be done about this.I also felt a sense of guilt that the 9-11 truth movement, which I had been a part of, had not done enough.I remember the first day, I was waiting for people to arrive for my class and they did not come.This was before the lockdown, a few days before it was officially announced.I thought, oh my gosh, they are all falling for it, we haven't done enough, I was in a classroom and there was nobody here.I was waiting for people to turn up.I thought this is going to be bad. I had a sense of dread and worry on that day.I was thinking they were really falling for it. I started to be very active very quickly.I emailed everybody I knew on my mailing list for my classes.Everybody, my peers who shared the studios with me.I made my position known, which may have been a mistake professionally and it cost me later because people thought you were spreading the plague, they knew you weren't going to be compliant and so I lost, I was actually forced out of the studio mid-2021 because I wasn't complying with any regulations. But I also got out on the street within about a month. I started making videos, I was making posts routinely anyway about the truth movement. But I'd say it was about April, we started to be, I started to do the first outreach in the streets. I started making videos more to wake up my friends and family and they did actually work, I did get through to my family, they didn't actually, I never like to speak about what they didn't do, but you know what, there was an element of success there, I felt.And so, but in short, I became active.I eventually left Oxford because I'd lost my place of work, which was where I was making my income from I lost that studio because I was forced out in 2021.So I ended up in London in 2022, and I became attached to the Yellow Boards, which is what you were referencing there.And this group, the yellow boards, actually I saw first happening in New Zealand.There was a group of people along a street, a video went round, probably around 2021, late 2021, of people questioning the vaccines and they had yellow boards with slogans on them, like every 50 yards along a stretch of road.And the questions would develop as the driver went past and someone had filmed it from a car.Now this took on in England and also with the rebels, we have a thing called rebels in roundabouts, which started in Stockport.One of the guys there actually said that he'd seen my videos from Oxford and it had helped sort ofinspire or encourage him to get out and do that sort of thing. One of the guys who set up the Rebels and Roundabouts. But Yellow Boards is not my invention, it's something that I've, got involved with that was already ongoing by the time I arrived in London in 2022 and so what's happened is sort of, I'm not really an organiser or a maker of flyers and boards and things like like that. So there are very hardworking people who do this.And I seem to be the one who, like an unofficial spokesperson, I'll speak to the camera and I'll speak to people. If someone comes to ask a couple of questions, they'll say, go and speak to him.They'll talk to you. And so that's my role. I just talk to people and present the information as best I can.
So your name keeps coming up. Francis O'Neill, you know, yellow boards. Oh, yes.So I want to, there are a couple of things I want to pick up on that, But let me just play some of the clips from around London, just to give the viewers and listeners an idea of what happens in case they have not seen it.So let me just, the first one is, the first one, actually, is Shepherds Bush, I think.Let me see. First one, Shepherds Bush, which I know very well, just around the corner in West London.Let me just play this little clip. And then there are two others from London.(cars beeping in support of yellow boards)So that was Shepherd. Let me do just another one up in Harrow. Shepherd Bush is West London.Harrow is kind of North West and it's the same thing and I want to ask you about kind of that response.You obviously hear the horns beeping on the cars, but here is North West London and Harrow.(Music and cars beeping in support of the yellow boards)We could go on, let me, we could show a lot of them. Can I ask you, when you went out, what were you expecting?We are, many people watching, they'll be engaged in trying to change opinion of those around them.You jump out and do something in the wide world with the public.Tell us about kind of the response you've got and obviously we hear the horns beeping.Is that a regular occurrence?When I first started going out in Oxford in 2020, the response was different.We are talking about lockdowns and people were very hostile.Oxford is like an academic town and has a lot of the research facilities like the Jenner Institute.With regard to that, initially it was very hostile but there were people who were very grateful.Thank God there is somebody who is out there on the street.I felt all alone and I didn't realise other people thought like me.You tend to get a range of those emotions.
And we do different subjects obviously, so in London with the yellow boards, the ULEZ , obviously with car drivers, is almost universally unpopular.It is restricting car movement and so on. I think it is also serving to waken people up to the wider problems and agendas I mentioned earlier.With the ULEZ, when we put ULEZ boards up, you tend to get a good response.The good thing about it is, not there are some people who will disagree and they may drive cars because they still think it's in their best interest to have less pollution or whatever the tagline is it seems to vary which I think is very strange as well sometimes it's about an environmental emergency and sometimes it's about children with asthma and obviously it could be about both in theory if it's about clean air, but it's not about clean air because actually if you test the air in London in most places it's very very clean and where they do have hot spots they're not doing anything particular to to solve the pollution in those areas and also on the tube it's up to it's, different studies have said different things like it's 40 times dirtier and people tested maybe have made it higher in terms of the contaminants in the air on the tube so they don't do anything about the air on the tube which is where they're trying to push everybody to go into the public transport but they're concerned about the air where it's actually well within safety standards above ground. And I think people are wise to that. I think people in the cars, they've cottoned on to the fact that this isn't true. So when we go out now, particularly, and it has increased over the time I've been involved, and also obviously since the time it started, but as I say, I can speak from my experience from, 2022, probably mid-2022 in London, even the ULEZ, now it's deafening. You go out there, You get constant car horns.We are not always filming. Sometimes you miss the bits where it is ridiculous, the noise and the cacophony of cars going past.It depends on the location. Sometimes you go to a location that is more muted.And you get more conflicts of opinions where people think that...It is usually people...We are always a bit wary of the cyclists because they sometimes hurl abuse at you.You often get people going past on the bikes as well, tinkling bells going, as in because they don't have a horn obviously on the bicycle so they'll show their support tinkling the bell so so you just can never be sure who's going to say what to you, but the pedestrians...Can be interesting and say things to you. And then you get into dialogue.And sometimes people in the cars will say things like, or like they'll say you're crazy, or I had a guy waving his asthma inhaler at me today. You don't care about me.And I'm saying, well, it's not about air. And I try to explain the things I've just mentioned about how the air is worse on the tube.And when you test the air, it's fine. And it's about control.And I try and make them aware of that.But we all try to be as non-confrontational as possible, but sometimes we get told we're killing children, which is ironic if you actually look at what's going on in the world at the moment.So we're the ones killing children. So yeah, so mixed responses, but overwhelmingly positive about the ULEZ.And I'd actually say we went to the COVID inquiry and we, when Abi Roberts got arrested.And I was surprised given the varied reactions we'd had to COVID lockdown and vaccination outreach that we'd done before, the overwhelming- 
Tell us about it, because obviously it started, all of this has started in a pushback towards restrictions under the COVID tyranny.And I know you were there, I know Abi was arrested. We had her on just after, and her talking about how you were waiting outside, waiting for her.And I think you realize who your friends are in situations like that, when you get arrested.Where's everyone gone?Oh, they've gone home, and you waited outside. And that camaraderie, that connection, that networking, that standing shoulder to shoulder has been something that I've seen turning develop over the last three years.I met Abi at one of the marches in London where they have these worldwide rallies for freedom and Abi is a regular at those and I had a mutual friend and said, Abi is going you need to say hello to her.So I said hello to her and you never know if you're going to hit it off with people or whatever.Abi and I were interviewed by somebody came up and interviewed us and we just had like a sort of rapport and it was funny, we were making a bit of a joke with the interviewer and things like this.And so we hit it off and we had a nice conversation and then stayed in touch and just said, like, I'm going down to the COVID inquiry.And I knew that she'd be interested because Matt Hancock, who was our health secretary during the lockdown, was gonna be there that day. And she said, okay, I'll come down.And so she came down to hold a yellow board and make her presence and her opinions known.And she only lasted half an hour. 
I understand what you mean when you say Abi making her opinions known, it's beautiful.
She wasn't actually that bad, I mean I know that she's very, as in from the police or the establishment perspective, she wasn't that bad, it was just kind of hilarious that she probably lasted about 23 minutes and we had a half-past eight in the morning or something like this in there.And anyway, so she, we walked behind a camera with the yellow board, and we'd been told not to encroach on this space where the camera's filmed.The previous time we'd been at the COVID inquiry, which was about a week before, a few days before.And Abi hadn't been there, so she didn't know, so she just marched in behind and held a board behind one of the reporter's heads. And actually it was a station that she'd previously worked for, the GB News one.So I followed her in and put a board up there and just thought we'll stay here until they move us on.And we did it with Sky TV as well. And then, uh...And she said a few things to the ranks of cameramen and photographers.What have you all been doing? Why are you not reporting anything?And she might have used the F word a couple of times, but nothing too severe, nothing they hadn't heard.And then this guy came out and she's told the story anyway.But yeah, it's on film, you can see. So when she started, when they came to arrest her, I just thought I need to keep my mouth shut because I'll speak over the dialogue and I'll just film it and get a really good footage of it.But then I didn't know whether to put the footage out in case they didn't have any incriminating evidence against her. So I had to sit on the footage until she was released. And then she, there was one moment where I thought the police reacted, I haven't mentioned this before, so in the footage you can see the police, one guy's already told her she's arrested and the others are trying to reason with her, so it didn't really make sense, and they seem to be trying to calm her down and she was saying, do you see this? And she showed one of the badges that she wears for Trudy and whose son committed suicide during lockdown and she was saying, you know, and they, the police, in my first impression of it seemed to recoil at that point.And I thought, oh, wow, that was powerful.Like I was filming it and then, and they seemed to, but when I watched the footage back, I think what actually happened though, he thought was, we can't reason with this woman.They gave up trying to like mollify her and settle it down and stuff.That, cause I thought at first it was the power cause that's what it affected me.And I thought, oh wow, that's got to have an effect.But actually I don't think that's what happened. I just thought that she's, we're going to have to, but they'd already arrested her. So, and then they arrested her and they took her away.And I felt a bit, because I'd invited her down, kind of knowing that she'd provide a bit of fireworks, right?So I felt a bit like, what's the guy? Fagin or something, getting her into trouble.And then she was in the cell. So I felt kind of a responsibility as well.And also thought that if I was in the cell and everyone just went home, I'd come out thinking that's not very nice.So I went down to wait. And also she told me it's only going to be a couple of hours because she'd been given that suggestion.And then as I started to wait and it started to get into the evening, she'd been there 12 hours, the police started to say to me, listen, mate, you're going to have a long wait.And they'd obviously changed the way in which they were going to process her because instead of it just being a basic, you know, you've done a minor misdemeanor, let's get you in and out.They just decided to be awkward and hold her in and charge her in a different way.And they let her out at three in the morning just to be, I think, just to make it unpleasant and uncomfortable for her.So the police became aware of this and rather kindly actually said to me, like, you'll be waiting a long time mate, you should probably go home, she's not going to be let out till the morning. So I had to go and that's what happened.Obviously the whole COVID, well COVID whitewash, not inquiry, but tell us how, because whenever you've been out with boards, it's one thing going with those big demos, where it's that spirit of togetherness and everyone is 100% awake, where you go out on the streets, you kind of expect it to be it to be different. I'm sure going to those demos, I'm sure you've got a lot of pat on the backs and a lot of kind of well done and realizing that people appreciate how you're putting the message out. 
Well on the bigger demos, you're amongst a lot of people so there's the strength in numbers and as you say that you can have a chat with people who think the same as you, you still get some people even on the bigger ones if you're on the edges on the peripheries of a group of people marching down a street where people will pull faces or say get lost or shout some abuse at you. You occasionally get that, not normally though because of the numbers because they're slightly intimidated by the numbers. People tend to keep their opinions to themselves when they see thousands of people marching down.You are a little bit more exposed if you go out with a board but generally speaking it's okay.I mean, one of the, connected with the Yellow Boards, I should say, in Stockport, a thing called Rebels on Roundabouts started up at one of the roundabouts in Stockport near Manchester in the north of England.And I went down there a few times, because that's where I'm originally from.And we had eggs thrown at us from a passing car and things like that.And that occasionally happens.But to be honest, most of the time, I don't feel like I'm under threat.I know that sometimes people say nasty things to you and that might, other people might bother them more.I don't really, it doesn't really faze me, I don't think, I don't think it really fazes the people who do it.If people, a lot of the time people are not very brave when they confront you, for example, people will sit there in the car at the lights and when the lights change they'll shout something just as they're going, or the same with a cyclist, so, or if they're passing at speed, so sometimes it's quite funny when they say something to you and then the lights change and they have to stop and then they they sit there like that, or me, cause you can come and say something back then.So yeah, there's not, I don't know. It's not something that concerns me really.Like I think you are going to get people who disagree with you.And I would say my goal and the goal of people there is not to have a confrontation.So if somebody's, sometimes you get people really angry saying you're killing children, you know, it's disgusting.And because we say with ULEZ, they see that as saving children with asthma.Or that's what they've been primed to think.And we say, well, can you explain that? Like, or just, I just try and, or if someone's so in such a heightened state, I just let them carry on walking, or if I can, I'll try and reason with them and bring them down because I learned very quickly, that in 2020, if you go out there, if I go out there and I'm angry, which I was initially in 2020, and start shouting and raving.It's not gonna get anyone on your side.And that's the goal, really. So for the most part, we're there to have reasoned discussion and to share our views and to make people at the very, even if we can't change their minds, obviously, and sometimes you can't do that instantly, is just to make people think, realize that we're not crazy, that we are coming from a reasoned position.And I think that's very important. So we're not, because obviously, they'll say to you, you're a right wing conspiracy theorist, or Sadiq Khan said it.He said, like, you're COVID deniers, vaccine deniers, Tories, all this stuff, like, all the things could think of to say that might be words to lodge in people's brains but the interesting I think I've got a line that I always think of that people, everybody thinks that it's everybody else who falls for propaganda and that includes me so I'll think like oh someone else has fallen, has been brainwashed by the state propaganda but they'll think of me I've fallen for right wing propaganda it's always everybody else who falls for propaganda.It's never me or you know the person thinking so I think that if you can make people aware that there is a different way of looking at things and at least consider it even if you reject it. I think that's a that's all we can do with the yellow boards is to make that we're trying to circumvent mainstream, no mainstream media has censored our point of view so we're trying to find a route to introduce that other point of view in a respectable way to the public. 
Yeah it is about making people think and not having that argument because that doesn't actually benefit you. But what about you because I mean it's like a political campaign, I mean I remember back in the days of UKIP, knocking doors, flyers, non-stop and it's about getting the message out and you'd see billboards about different political parties and what you're doing, it's kind of getting the message out, it's PR but it's kind of that field. I mean, how did you, are you, have you been involved politically? Are you a massively outgoing person?Because people think I wouldn't want to stand on a road junction with a huge sign. I mean, people want to keep their thoughts to themselves, not to display it to the world. What was that like. Did you have anything politically background that you had engaged a lot with people on different issues?Not all and I as I say, I started online with the 9-11 truth movement and I used to feel like an imperative. So once you become aware that that say for example, there's a great injustice going on like the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. The removal of our freedoms as well, even if you want to be selfish about it with the in the United States it was the Patriot Act and here we had the terrorism act and you could see the trajectory of of the state machinations then you think well if I do nothing that's going to continue and this isn't going to end well even from a selfish point it's not going to end well for me but I also felt like if I was in Iraq or Afghanistan or any of the other countries affected by the 9-11 wars which have been raging for 20 years so it's like northern Pakistan there's places in Africa and every that being bombed and so and also you've got Syria, Libya, Yemen all these places that have been affected I thought well I'd want someone to at least make a few memes on my behalf in the country.So that's what I used to do. I used to try and make posts and raise awareness and use the internet as many of us are now doing since 2020.So that's what I saw as something that I could contribute. And also I saw myself as being someone who could translate some of the dense material into the language or into the format, like a meme that people would engage with.So I'm not like an academic or a scientist or anything like that.I can read that stuff and think what is the kernel of truth we need to pass on and put that into that format.That is what I thought I could contribute to that movement.In 2020 I tried to do the same thing. That would be the role that I was trying to fulfil.So in terms of getting in the street and presenting that thing, I also think I have done a bit of teaching with the art I was talking about.So you get used to presenting information in front of people and being questioned and you know I've taught in front of kids, I've on in front of pensioners and so I'm not that uncomfortable speaking if I feel like I'm informed, in front of people.So there's that side of it. So maybe I was prepared to do a bit of that.But even if we're just holding a board, I think that was, I read, I think, around 2020 about if you're doing a revolutionary movement, you have to have something that other people can do.So like when we were doing the gazebo, one of the mistakes we probably made is that we would speak to and challenge the police and argue with the police and argue with the public.But not everybody feels that they want to do that. Nobody wants a confrontation really in their life.If you can go through your morning without arguing with the police, you'll probably take that, right? So that's not something that everybody can do and engage what wants to do.But if you do it much simpler, it's more passive. It's just like, you can use a yellow board.Everybody can pretend to be a signpost for a couple of hours, right?Everyone can just be like, oh yeah, I'm just holding this in the street.And it's a more passive way. And the cars are going past. Usually you can stand in a place where the cars aren't gonna stop and they're just whizzed by you and they'll just read your placard.And then you don't actually have to have an argument or a fight, you can just say, there's my board.So it's something that everybody can do is hold a board.You don't have to have read the scientific papers. You don't have to have, you know, you're not like you're arguing with Dr. Fauci or Matt Hancock or something.You can just hold the board and say, where's my freedom going or something.So there's that side of it. And that's something that everyone can do.It's easily replicable. And so you can do that. So the yellow boards have been sprouting up.And I think that's the key. got to give something that everybody can do. So it's that kind of thing. It's just making sure that we get the message out, that's the key thing. And it's not about really presenting to an audience, like in the sense of verbally.
And something I've certainly seen is nothing is from the top. I think that's why the police, government, the media are so concerned about free thinking because it's a grassroots thing. You see the yellow boards popping up everywhere, some are organized and some are not and you see the change but I'm intrigued with how people came together on the issue of, against COVID here and the issue of freedom but then you realize that encompasses so much and let me actually, let me play one of the videos of you speaking on, is this the use cash one or is this ULEZ? Let me play it and then we can touch on kind of those other issues which have come up and I think as people have thought more about issues over the last three years they're more open to this but let me play this first one. 
(Video of Francis plays)
Okay we're here today at Harrow Road and if we take things in reverse and just look at things slightly differently and wonder if there was, in the hypothetical situation, that there was a plan or an agenda to deprive us of our freedoms and to change the way we live.What would it look like and how would they encourage us to consent to it? So, if they can't do it by force because maybe there's a smaller number, they would have to get us to believe that it was for our own good and in our best interest. So, they might then tell us, I don't know, like the end of the world's coming unless you all do what we say, like, you know, like the sky is going to fall on your head or something along those lines.And then they might start to say, what we need for you to do is to use less resources and maybe, Maybe not have a car, maybe lock yourself in your home, maybe we'll bring about some measures so that all independent traders lose their small businesses, so that then you're in the sort of grasp of the state, whether it's because you're on the dole, on a universal credit or whether you're working for corporations which seem to have a lot of control in our country at the moment.So, with that in mind then, people often ask me what it is that they should do, like when, we talk to them about the ULEZ, they say, what should we do about it?Now, what guys say to me with their vans, they say, I'm losing my van, I'm going to have to give up my van and because I've not got my van, I won't be able to work, in which, case I'd be in that situation I've just described.So that's a real problem. So, if you then think about it, there's a guy called Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who ended up in a labour camp in Russia, and old Alexander said, I wish we'd have got out there quicker when they first came to us with iron bars and pots and pans and done something about it.Now, I'm not suggesting you do that, but if you're going to lose your van anyway, and you're going to lose your job anyway, and be in state control, what other options have you got?Some people are using the options of taking down the cameras, and some people are not paying the fines. In fact, millions of pounds apparently are unpaid.Now, if everybody who beeps the horn, as you hear there, did not pay and refused to pay, this scheme would not work and we have to consider that if we're all going to lose everything anyway.I think that's a good point, how people respond. That is on ULEZ, which is obviously the ultra low emission zone, which is in London and attacking the motorist. I think I saw a meme somewhere that someone said, we're told that cars, your older vehicle is going to kill children, but if you pay $12.50 it's okay, the child is saved. It's not about money. But tell us about, because there's been massive support for, against the ULEZ with people cutting down cameras. I didn't think I would see that in Britain, that level of opposition and anger and law breaking.I thought, wow, something's broken in the spirit. It's not just the British shrugging their shoulders, which we think we saw in lockdown, but actually people are doing something. I mean, tell us about that in the response and how you see that push back on the attack on the motorists.Okay, so I want to just say something that I should have said in response to your last question, but I forgot, but you're asking me about the yellow boards and what we're doing that is that what we're trying to do with the yellow boards is do what the government did to us from 2020 onwards. So they put signs everywhere, they put arrows on the floor, they put everywhere you went.So we're trying to make it, they made it ubiquitous. It was just everywhere, like the lockdown was everywhere, you were on a bus, it was on the radio, it was on a screen, it was on a post, everything, public transport, shops, everywhere. You couldn't escape it. If you engaged in life outside your house or even inside your house through the screen, you were made aware that it was this virus and this lockdown and all this stuff and that's what you were supposed to believe.So we have to use that sort of tactic against them and make it feel like, and also what they did is they made everybody feel like everybody believed the same thing. So with the yellow boards, what we're doing is we're presenting a constant stream of, like if you're driving past, you'll see not just one, you'll see 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 yellow boards with these messages and repetitive messages and you'll hear the horns which make you think if you don't agree with us why do all these other people agree? Why are all these horns going off? So it makes you feel like you're the minority which is the reverse of what happened in 2020 when you thought you were the minority if you if you didn't believe the government. So we're using the same sort of tactics there. And so there's that side of it. And also, I think what I'm suggesting in that video is that if you can get someone to blow their horn, then that's an act of defiance, like it's just a little act of defiance. But that's how they got you. First of all, it was like, just three weeks to flatten the curve.Just three weeks, okay, or two weeks in the States. And then it's like, okay, just another three weeks, just a mask. So we're starting off with, just blow your horn.Right? And then if you can hear everyone blowing the horn, then you can think, okay, what's the next step then? Okay, maybe everyone agrees with me, everyone else is blowing the horn, so like, then maybe, maybe, then they take the next act of defiance. Now, we can't volunteer that and suggest that people do that because on video or anything else like that, because it's illegal to encourage people to break the law. All we can do is point to the options, right?And so the response there that you're seeing about the defiance in London, people cutting down the cameras. There are some of us who know, some people say we think we know, but we have read the agenda and it is documented, what this plan is.As you said, it is not about money, they print the money anyway, they can print all the money they want.These people are not short of money, they are not short of control in a way.They are trying to change the nature of humanity, they are trying to control us to, the point where they make us into drones that service the elite class who still fly about, use private planes and cars and whatever else they want and have the dominion over the countryside while we live in smart cities and are boxed in like little rabbit hutches.So if you know that, then as I pointed out there, then you take the Solzhenitsyn idea of grabbing your iron poker or your pots and pans and beating them off in whatever way possible.So if you're still in a system where there is a police force and you can get locked in jail, so what are the small acts of defiance you can do? you can not pay your fine and you can spread crazy foam, you can spray crazy foam over the ULEZ camera.So if you actually know that you're going to lose everything, then spraying foam over a camera is not that big a rebellion.And I think the people who know are taking down the cameras.You know, they realize this is a pivotal moment. This is a bridge that we cannot cross.And so that is why you're seeing that. And whilst it's unusual for the British be so rebellious. We don't really have a history of revolution.If you understand what is happening, this is the time to stand up if there's ever been a time. So that is why the cameras are coming down. Now, not everybody is at that level, and which the people who are know something is not right, they know they can't afford it. And the people in the vans are saying I'm being crushed. And I can't, there's people just drive and say, I won't be able to visit my mom, like I need to get them in the car, or she needs a lift or whatever it is.And there's people who are losing their businesses, because they rely on their van for the business to take all their tools to work and so on. So they know they're losing something. So if we can just nudge them along to, you know, a nudge as in the nudge unit, if we can use that same psychological nudging, you're not alone. Loads of people agree with you. You can be defiant. You can stand up. There's solidarity and it's quite fun to blow your horn and hear the mad noise and it's like it's a kind of, it's a little act of freedom. It's kind of weird because most of the time you you drive your car, you have to obey the code of the road, and you have to be, there's speed restrictions which are coming down all the time to lower and lower speeds.And you are, you know, you don't get this, most people are not in a position where they can just rant and rave at work or at home and support, just you can whack your horn, it's a little moment of freedom, and that feels good.Okay, well, maybe I'll try, and there's loads of it. So we're just trying to get people to recognise the numbers and the strengths, and they have the power.And it might not be as, maybe I'm talking that up a little bit, but I think that somebody has to take some steps somewhere and the more rebellious are taking down the cameras and the less rebellious are blowing the horns and we're hoping they can meet in the middle and just throw the whole thing out.
I love that a one-pound thing of silly string or shaving foam can shut down a network of cameras that cost billions.It's beautiful to see that.I think, obviously, whenever you've got a system set up there for taking pictures of cars, automatic number plate recognition, and then that's fed in, that then is a whole surveillance system that is set up.And I think that some people realize that can be used and repurposed for anything but many people don't and you're told oh it just takes a picture and then it disappears and no it's part of a gathering of information on all of us. Do you think people realize that and are wakening up to that? 
Yeah I think the harder they push and the more extreme and illogical the measures seem to people, more people look for the reasons behind them.More and more often now, if there is a line of cars and you speak to someone and they say it is madness, he is an idiot, Khan, the mayor of London, they will say he is an idiot. It is not just him though, they're like, yeah I know. Its a bigger thing.They know it is a bigger picture.They have to look at the motive for why it is happening. It doesn't make sense to people.Why would they be crushing us in this way?People tend to understand it is not just about money. and they can also see it.I mean, the surveillance is everywhere. In Britain, we have in the supermarkets, they film your face.So it's, and if you ask, you say, oh, it's about shoplifting, but they're not filming your bag or your hands, they're filming your face.And there's, you know, there's, and to do, interact with, you know, buying tickets or anything like that, you have to give your details and, or to get into your bank account, you need a phone and a laptop or two devices, one to verify the other.So people can see the surveillance state coming in and people can see cash being phased out.So I think people have an awareness that there's something bigger than just they're trying to clean the air for kids with asthma, these guys who don't care about the excess deaths or that nobody makes a peep about wars that kill and displace millions, but they really care about your granny and they really care about the kids with asthma down the street. And also I think to some extent, obviously I don't know enough people to know, but my experience at the COVID inquiry when people responded very positively to our questioning of the COVID vaccines and made me think that the vaccines have woken people up because I think some people will, many people know people who have not had the same health since they took the vaccine. So there's a whole variety of things that are coming together where people think maybe that wasn't quite right that lockdown business and maybe those vaccines weren't quite right and maybe this ULEZ isn't quite right and maybe the phasing out of cash is not quite right and maybe there's a link between them all. So I think that people are coming around to that idea for sure. 
Let me just finish off on that cash issue, because here's another clip.We'll play a two minute clip and just finish off just touching on that and the response from people.Because I think a lot of these issues, people maybe can feel that it's too big, it's beyond them.But what you're showing, I think, is each individual can play a part and it's that individuals come together as a mass movement, actually changing things. But let me just play this two minute clip and then we'll finish off just chatting over that.(Video of Francis plays)
Okay, today we're here in Hampstead and we've just been giving out a few flyers and raising awareness about the dangers of a cashless economy. I had one woman come up to me and she was asking me about how, what's the point, what's the big deal about it, what's the problem with it, because you know carrying cash is a pain and using card is very convenient.And there is like a Benjamin Franklin quote about foregoing a little bit of liberty for safety, but in our generation we seem to be foregoing liberty for convenience almost. The other daywhen I was out doing, we were talking about ULEZ, people were saying to me about surveillance.They were saying, oh yeah, well, there's already surveillance everywhere. What difference does it make? And I would make the point to them that the surveillance that I have now, although in Britain we have more cameras per head of population than anywhere except China, is a lot. We have a lot of surveillance. But for the most part, the expense they were talking about was like your mobile phone, reading your emails, tracking you everywhere you go.You can put your mobile phone in the bin, but if you start to have like a smart TV monitor your house, you've got smart car which monitors how you travel and then when you step outside you have surveillance at every zone that they put in for the ULEZ and you then they can control whether or not you spend your money and already in this country you've had people's finances stopped for them saying the wrong things that starts to be a problem and I'm starting to realise a little bit I think that people don't actually know what freedom is or how to defend it I mean they're, talking like for example when we had the vaccines people say no you're still free to get the job but you just have to get the vaccine and they're saying you're still free to go where you want but you just have to you know pay a fine or change your car. These are erosions of freedoms, essential freedoms that we've had for a long time that people don't seem to even understand that what is happening while it's happening around them and there's almost like a complacency. You certainly feel it in some areas where people like maybe smirk at you for carrying a board like this or for talking to them about these kind of subjects that they just don't see the trajectory or the[40:54] fact that once these measures are in place it will be too late to contest them.If they don't go the way they want them to, if suddenly it's their money that's getting stopped, it's only their movements that's getting curtailed. And I think that's something very important that people should consider. But in this country, and I think in the West in general, people feel that their freedom is guaranteed for some reason.I think the thing is that, yeah, most people living in the West haven't lived under a communist system and therefore don't understand freedom as being straight. But that looked like a sunnier day in London. But on that, let's just finish off with this because a lot of these things are an act of change of thinking. We're lulled into something often because it is easier, it is simpler, it makes your life easier. So why you have to go and get cash when you can just touch your phone, soon touch your palm, soon you just walk in and it scans you. But it is people thinking actually intentionally how to push back but how kind of what has been the response from people as you've talked to them and highlighted actually maybe something that people have forgotten that actually it's just easier to have a card or a phone actually you really do need to use cash because as you said if you don't use it it'll be gone. 
Well cash is a much more neutral issue for people than say what we talk about lockdown vaccines or ULEZ because the climate agenda and the vaccine or lockdown agendas are firmly lodged.People tend to have a preconceived idea before you reach them.But the cash idea, they're just going to think, well, I've not heard much about that.And then, or they'll say, why do you think that? Or the people who've already onto it, who find it difficult to make their transactions through life using online processes.So yeah, the cash is more neutral and people seem to be more willing to listen to you about that because they're curious or because they hadn't really thought about it.Because it is convenient not to have coins. And if we had a benevolent system and a benevolent government, you know, maybe I'd have no problem with it if you could trust the system. But the fact is that we live in a world where every potential misuse has to be factored in and the government will misuse it to the or somebody at some point will misuse it to the extent to which it's it's possible to misuse it and and that will be to our detriment if we don't have the freedom to spend our cash but I also wanted to say in terms of you mentioned the cameras before on on the ULEZ, introducing the surveillance.That that monitoring that is being brought in. I see a potential threat because you said that we've not had an experience of communism or totalitarianism in this country, but we had it the past three years. I mean, in the Derbyshire Hills, they had drones following people around who were going for a walk on their own, and ordering them home or giving them some kind of police notice for walking in the hills in the countryside. So if you bring in cameras that that can surveil your movement, that those can be, again, misused to the extent to which the state has the potential to misuse them.So if you link all, as I said before, if these things are all linked together, and World Health Organization has a treaty coming in, in which it can override national governments and say if there's the potential for a health emergency, they can impose measures like we've had before, like the quarantines, lockdowns, testing, tracking, tracing, the potential, not the reality of it, just a potential for a health crisis, then you have these zones that are surveilled.If we saw the technology that they had with drones that they use for people in the countryside, if they've got the technology to shut down zones, we already know in this country that they shut down what they call tiers.No, they shut down areas into what they call tiers.Then what would stop them from shutting down an area where they said, oh, this area's had an outbreak because the PCR test, which is not fit for purpose, said that one person, two people had a nosebleed already had a, you know, a cold, they could use the surveillance to shut that down.So I think that the experience of totalitarianism over the past three years has made people more alive, to the fact that these powers can be misused.So when we go out and sort of speak about these things like ULEZ or cash, and you say to them, you might need your freedom sometime, you know, you might need to be able to get into that shopping centre.I mean, in some of the shops, they started to use the one-way arrows on the floor, and some of them had doors with traffic lights on them. So you could go in this door and not this door.It's only one step away from locking you out if they see you as a plague carrying vermin, which is kind of the way they characterize you anyway, because both these schemes, the COVID scheme and the ULEZ scheme, characterized, first of all, they make the air out to be poisoned, as in it's dangerous for you to breathe the air, whether it's ULEZ with cars, and both of them, the people, The agent poisoning the air is the human being.So you are the vermin that is the blight upon the earth and essentially when they say they need to stop the spread, they're talking about people, they need to stop the spread of people, we need to stop them driving around, we need to stay in their homes, we need to stay in the smart cities and all these things. Now people might not have it crystallized in that way in their head but they're aware that something happened over the past three years that was a bit weird and they're aware that they would, that they will remember that it wasn't nice to be locked in their homes or, or prevented from going to shops and supermarkets and nightclubs and pubs and clubs and doing all the normal pleasures of life.So if you start to say to them, the cash could be used in a way, or sorry, the absence of cash could be used in a way to control your purchases or your movements.And would you, I say to them a simple question as well, would you like it if I had control over how you spent your money?Or any other person, like an abusive husband or a wife or a father or whatever, just some third party could say whether or not you spend your money or where and when you spend your money.They can connect with that. They don't want a third party involved with their money.Some people think you're mad, obviously there's still always that range of opinions, but I think that's something that people can very easily identify with.And it's not laden with the same belief system that like belief in the global warming is or in the magic cold that didn't exist for some protests.And did for others or that kind of thing. So it's not laden with that kind of propaganda onslaught.You can just say to them, there's something, cash is your freedom, you need to have control over how you spend your money and they'll go, all right, I hadn't thought of that.
Francis, I appreciate you coming on and it's a whole range of issues which have sprung up, COVID tyranny, cash, ULEZ, net zero surveillance, huge issues but love what you do with the yellow boards and I've be looking forward to getting you on. I love having people on who I don't know, I don't never met before and have them on chat so thanks so much for coming on today and sharing what you're doing with the yellow boards.
Thank you for having me, Peter. It's been a pleasure.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

How’s the craic?It's another Irish night at Hearts of Oak as David Vance returns afresh to give us his honest and often scathing appraisals on the talking points, from the news and from his social media this past week.So join us as David and Peter get stuck into this weeks topics, including...- Trans Madness: Man wins woman of the year.- "Free Palestine” demos across Europe and beyond.- Have Hezbollah have joined Hamas?- Muslim immigrants take to the streets to support Hamas across Europe. What have we imported? - Grooming Gangs: The never ending Rape of Britain continues.- Outrage over order to NOT jail rapists as our prisons are full. If we can’t jail them, what can we do with them?- Captain Toms Legacy: Was it a completely manufactured psyop?- Day of Global Jihad.
Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.
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Recorded 13.10.23
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Godfrey Bloom - Elite Financial Institutions: Controlling Our Lives from the Shadows

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Godfrey Bloom is well known for his time as a UKIP MEP in the European Parliament where he served 3 terms, but he joins Hearts of Oak today to discuss all things finance. Godfrey's career was in the military, financial economics and he spent many years as an investment banker. He has written many books including 'The Magic Of Banking: The Coming Collapse'. Godfrey discusses how he has managed to fuse together a life in the army, in politics and in finance. He then then delves into the shadowy financial institutions which control all our lives and have pushed every government into a spiral of debt that will sooner or later collapse the global financial system. We finish by looking at gold and why Godfrey believes it is the perfect store of wealth.
Godfrey Bloom is a libertarian author with six books published on both military history & Austrian School Economics.He worked in the City of London where he won an international prize for fund management (fixed interest) with Mercury Asset Management. Bloom finished his city career as General Manager of a life assurance company.He represented Yorkshire & Lincolnshire in the European Parliament & was a staunch campaigner for Brexit for twenty five years.During his term of office he attracted over sixty million views on his chamber speeches exposing State bank & tax malpractice on Facebook & You Tube. Thought to be an all time record. He brought experience if not influence to the mainly lay EU Parliamentary Monetary & Economic Affairs Committee, putting both members & European Central Bank President under unaccustomed pressure.Godfrey Bloom passed out of Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in 1976 & served as logistics liaison officer to 4th Armed Division in Germany. He is an Associate Member of the Royal College of Defence Studies & has presented papers & lectures to The RCDS, Joint Services Staff College, National Defence University Washington & too many universities to list. His speciality is procurement & geo political military strategy.Godfrey Bloom is holder of the Territorial Decoration & bar, Sovereign’s Medal, Armed Forces Parliamentary Medal & European Parliamentary silver medal. 
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Interview recorded 19.9.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Godfrey Bloom, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for your time.
(Godfrey Bloom)
A pleasure to be here. 
Great to have you and people can follow you @GoddersBloom on Twitter. Godfreybloom.uk is the website and godfreybloom.substack.com. On the website you can get about gold and your wealth, the great reset, climate and green energy, COVID, military, all topics that I know our viewers and listeners will be interested in. But for our viewers who may not have come across Godfrey Bloom, he has a long and varied career encompassing financial services, army, politics. It was the politics where I first came across you serving two terms, I think for UKIP in the European Parliament. And one of Godfrey's books, all available on the website, but is The Magic of Banking, the coming collapse paperback. Now Godfrey, how did you manage to fuse together finance, military and politics? It's an interesting mix.Well, of course, it's the only advantage of being very old is that you get lots of opportunities to do lots of stuff. So it's not because I'm particularly clever, it's because I'm particularly old. So just to bear in mind my background in the 1960s, I went into the city with a very prestigious Broking House in the 1960s, about 1966-67, in those days.Now, in those days, if you were going to get anywhere in the city, it was, first of all, you had to wear a bowler hat. You had to have a bowler hat, and it seems a long time ago now, but you didn't have to wear it, you just had to make sure you had it on the hat stand. I still got it. And the other thing, a couple of things, all the senior directors were wartime officers. All the middle management were National Service officers. So you had to have some kind of military connection.Shore Service Commission, Territorial Army Commission, perhaps with a prestigious regiment.And so on and so forth, and you had to play rugger, as we called it in those days.I ticked every box in a fairly modest kind of way.That all fused together. As you go through life, something pops up.My main life was an investment fund manager, a pension investment fund manager, specializing in fixed interest with a view to pension investment.Dull, very un-prestigious. The equity boys were the glamour boys. It was a bit like the difference between a fighter pilot in the war and coastal command. I was more coastal command. So that's what you had to do. And then I was in a territorial regiment and I was then attached, I did a short service with regular back to the territorial army, so on and so forth.Started in life armoured reconnaissance with 4th Armoured Division in Germany.Where we had the sort of stuff that you see now in old black-and-white movies was actually state-of-the-art stuff when I was soldiering. It was all a very long time ago.Then, when I worked for a very prestigious investment house in the city, I was asked to investigate the implications of becoming the common currency, as it was called then in the late 80s and early 90s, what did it entail, so on and so forth.I had a very good team of statisticians and people. I looked at that and I saw the implications.I dug deeper into the implications of our membership of the European Union.And the deeper I dug, the smellier the whole thing got.And that drew me into politics in 2004, where I resigned from the board of financial service companies and went into politics, which was an eye-opening experience.So that's why I came to do all these things. You couldn't do that now, I don't think, because the world has changed and everything is really too focused on micromanagement and micro career patterns and so on and so forth.So I was very lucky to be born when I was, you could have a really holistic kind of career pattern, which gave me my army and politics and business.So I had all three. I don't think you could do that now. 
Very true. And I think that connection with the military and our politics public service has gone as well.And I think that's a shame for our country.But let me talk to you. Many people think they are free to vote for what they want.They're free to go where they want.They're free to use their money as they want.But it's that financial freedom or maybe lack of it. I want to talk to you about.There are financial institutions that can operate in the shadows that control our lives.And I know you've written about this, you've done videos about this.Do you want to kind of touch on that and maybe pull the veil slightly back on that?Well, I think it was Jacob Rothschild who actually got it dead right, for better or for worse, and I would suggest worse.And that was, he said, it doesn't matter who you vote for, it's who controls the money.And of course it's been the Rothschilds being part of the cabal that controls money.Since I don't know, probably 120, 130 years at least, not just in this country, in Europe as well.So he who controls the money. And of course, as we become a more secular society, money becomes the primary goal. It is the religion.It is the religion of Western Europe, it's the religion of North America. It's how much money.In a secular society, of course, you lose any form of moral compass.If indeed, perhaps there was any moral compass, I don't know, but I'm sure there was more moral compass in yesteryear than there is now.So the deal is, and which means you can buy any journalist and you can buy any politician.And almost every single journalist and every single politician is bought.There are very few exceptions. It isn't always overt, but you've only got to look at certain responses from journalists.And I'll give you one very easy example of that. In Syria, for example, when the CIA and the Washington neo-cons are trying to destabilize Syria in order to get their pipeline coming from Qatar, it's all about money, it's all about money and influence, and this is what was happening.Then of course you would find the CIA would put out a press release saying Assad has dropped poison gas on his own people and he's a very bad guy.That would be a CIA press release. Now, people like Andrew Neil on BBC TV would read that out within hours of it being circulated.There was no possible question of us checking whether it was true or not.And Andrew Neil, who was a sort of dwyan of supposedly independent broadcasting, joke, joke, would read that out with a straight face, which meant everybody watching BBC would believe that to be true.And of course, subsequently, we find out that it wasn't true at all.It was CIA propaganda. Or indeed, I have to say, sadly, MI6 or MI5 propaganda.So you're getting a constant stream of lies from legacy broadcasting, and people believe that it was the same in the fake pandemic.80% of people in this country will believe it if it's on the BBC, and psychologically, I did a course with the Smithsonian Institute on trying to get to the bottom of this psychologically.80% of the people, I don't think it's just true of Britain, I think it's 80% of most of the Western industrialized countries, will believe anything they're told, and people do. The people who push back against it are kicked out or de-platformed. I mean I'm de-platformed. I used to be a regular speaker at Cambridge University and various other universities.I can't get on now. I haven't been interviewed by the BBC now for years. Dissent is verboten.So there's no concept of dissent. But if you do an audit trail of all of it and you if you go right back and find out why is this. You will find it's about money or political power.There are no exceptions and there are no good guys left in politics.Well obviously in finance we've seen, I mean Nigel Farage just talked about his issues with banking, it's happened to many many others and it seems as though banks can punish people for whatever reason and I think that's a world away from the traditional view of the bank being someone who kind of looks after your money, it's safe, it's cared for, it's maybe invested well, and I think what we've seen in the last few months has been a completely different side from the banks.Yes, but of course the banks have been politicized as well, have they not?You're looking at concepts of ESG, so your ratings for stock holdings by BlackRock and Vanguard, who are the biggest investors in the world, together they own the world, basically.They actually own each other, but that's another long story.So you have Larry Fink and people of this Vanguard, of course, and people you don't even know who voted, because it's not publicly quoted, so you don't even quite know who really owns it. So, it's highly politicized.And, of course, the situation with Nigel Farage was interesting, because NatWest and Coutts are 38% owned by the government.So, you couldn't get more to be more of a political bank than NatWest.It is a government bank.And the chief executive was put there because she was a government appointee.She has no knowledge of anything, finance, whatever. I mean, laughable. I mean, when I was the director of a main investment bank years ago, I wouldn't have employed her to clean the cars. She's utterly hopeless. She's a political agitator with a clean, squeaky-clean record, common purpose, WEF, the whole tutti-frutti. Of course.Expertise went out, and so did discretion and confidentiality. She had to go because she broke confidentiality, which is at the basis of banking, and Coutts in particular, where I also used to be a client when I had enough money to be a client of Coutts Bank. So you have all these problems.Of course, it's interesting enough, she's gone. She went with £2.3 million payoff.And I bet you anything you like, in two or three months, she'll pop up somewhere else in a very senior, very highly paid appointment. That's how the game plan works, all right?So, it's all about money and so on and so forth, but of course, I have to say...This has been going for some time. They did the same thing to Tommy Robinson, they did the same thing to Britain First, they did the same thing with the political platform of For Britain.They were debanked, which means it's very difficult to function in modern society if you have no form of bank. You can't collect subscriptions, you can't do anything.Interesting though, I have to say, this has been going on for some time.But when it happened to Nigel? That's a different game, is it? Oh, that's a much different game. It happened to Nigel. Nigel wasn't bothered about this until it happened to him. It's the old theory, isn't it, of Winston Churchill.You placate the crocodile on the basis that you hope he will eat you last.
No, it's true. I thought exactly the same, although I was thankful for a high-profile figure to highlight the injustice. But you're right, it's happened to most individuals don't have the ability to have a nationally out program or a newspaper column to talk about this injustice.So at least it is being aired. But as you pointed out, the madness of a bank being partially government owned and the government said, it's not our fault.And you wonder, well, whose fault is this? And they were blaming past regulation.You mentioned some of those companies, BlackRock and Vanguard, and these are shadowy companies.They own parts of many companies. They're very large shareholders of many institutions.Kind of how has it got to that? Should that worry people? Is this just how financing capitalism works or is there a darker side to this?No, one has to just remind everybody, certainly the younger generation, the difference between mercantilism and capitalism.Capitalism is laissez-faire. It means that you invest, you pretty well do what you damn well like, and the only demonstration of true capitalism post-war, of course, was Hong Kong under John Cooperthwaite, where his view was, it's my job to make sure the drains work and the police aren't corrupt, nothing else is my business. That's capitalism and of course that produced one of the most successful territories on the face of the planet in a very short period of time with no natural resources. Hong Kong has no natural resources. What we have now is mercantilism, which is sometimes referred to as crony capitalism, but it's got nothing to do with capitalism.Now, in a nutshell, how these sort of things work, I used to work for a company called Mercury Asset Management, which was part of the Warburg Empire.It was the biggest pension fund manager in Europe.I was the representative of the National Association of Pension Funds, the institution there, as well as being a fund manager.I wasn't on the main board, incidentally. I was on a junior board, but believe me, I knew how the game worked.Now, when you're doing that, Merck Asset Management then owned 4% of the European stock market.That's a very significant number. It doesn't sound like much, but 4% of the stock market is big.Then they were acquired by Merrill Lynch, a big American investment house, and then Merrill Lynch were acquired by BlackRock, and so it goes on, and so it gets bigger and bigger, almost like a sort of an astrophysicist would talk to you about a black hole.It becomes bigger and bigger, and the gravity pull is beyond human imagination.And then of course the oligarchs are part of that, and they're rich beyond most of our dreams. I mean the George Soros's of this world, the Bill Gates of this world, the Mark Zuckerberg's of this world, all these people are wealthy beyond imagination. And so you'd have to go back to the Rockefellers, to find people who were that rich in comparison.And what is interesting then, they would produce organizations, institutions, like the Bill and Melinda Gates and so on and so forth, and the Rockefeller Foundation.And these also get hijacked politically, and you can go back to the Quaker side in this country, to Roundtrees, for example.Quaker, and they were very good to their employees, and they had an ethos, a Quaker ethos.And now there's a very wealthy Roundtree Foundation, which is hijacked, politically, completely.It's woke.The National Trust is woke. Everything has become woke. And woke is really just part of the World Economic Forum's game plan. And this grows and grows in power.So you end up now with a prime minister who is World Economic Forum, no shame about it. No conspiracy theory yet. You know, somebody's always conspiring. That's absolute nonsense. Look at their website. It's perfectly up front. They boast about this.The Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the opposition, Starmer, when asked, do you think Parliament or Davos, which was the most important, he said, Davos. The King who gives royal assent to our laws now is World Economic Forum agent.In fact, as far as I understand, he could be the top man. I'm never quite sure whether Klaus Schwab reports to him or vice versa but the principle is the same.So now, of course, they control everything, and Bill Gates is the biggest farmer in the United States.He owns more land in the United States than anybody else.It's very difficult for ordinary people to fight against this, and they certainly can't fight against it with a vote.Vote is totally meaningless, and so you have these huge power blocs, and our elected politicians, are simply stooges. Penny Mordaunt, for example, is a stooge to Bill Gates. He wrote a forward for her book. She's an advocate of Bill Gates. All these people are paid, and we have a CIA, who, with a huge budget, an unaudited budget, they could pay you to interview certain people or not interview certain people in a Swiss bank account. Very significant amount of money.And most people have a price.Most people can be bought.And those who can't be bought are people like Neil Oliver, on a much smaller scale, me.You can't buy me, but I'm few. I'm one of the very few, and you can't buy me because money is not my God.I don't know whether you could buy me with other things. I can't imagine what they would be.So some people are incorruptible, but that's a tiny minority, and that certainly doesn't work in politics.How have you seen, looking back at the industry, how finance works, kind of, how have you seen a change?Has part of it been more scrutiny? Has part of it been the internet opens up the ability to question, with the public going direct?I mean, Neil Oliver, obviously on GB News, but having a huge reach on social media.Kind of, how have you seen a change? and how has social media affected the people's awareness of maybe what is happening?Well, social media is a wonderful thing. You know, it's a wonderful thing that you can get a significant footprint on that. But again, most people, it's still sadly legacy TV. It's still the BBC or ITV or whatever it happens to be that calls the shots. People who follow social media of course are the most informed but then if you look at my whole, just let's take me, my whole footprint is probably, I probably in total have overall something like 160,000 subscribers.That really isn't very many. Obviously, Neil Oliver is much bigger, and I'm glad of that because he's, in my view, a great man, a great historian, and a great leader of thought.So I'm a huge supporter of his. But there's still most people, most people go with the flow, they half watch BBC, they half watch ITV, doing something else, putting a shelf up, doing the ironing, whatever it is.So most people accept what they're told.Most people, of course, when it comes to things like pandemics or so-called pandemics, listen to their doctor. People have this divine faith in the National Health Service, which is, of course, ludicrous if you dig down into it, but most people do. Again, it's a legacy thing, and it goes back to people being brought up on Doctor in the House, black and white, Ealing movies, funny enough, where you are now. Wonderful things when it worked and when it was incorrupt.Now, of course, that's all gone.The Bank of England, central banks are now political appointees.You have your head of your central bank, Carney is a classic example, brought in as a Canadian, ex-Goldman Sachs, most of them are ex-Goldman Sachs, which is known as the vampire squid in the city.Even hard-nosed investment bankers like mine used to regard them as beyond the pale.These are the sort of Vlad the Impaler of the investment banking world, but they're all political appointees, so Carney was a political appointee.So that this nonsense of the Bank of England being independent.So it doesn't work like that and they go on to other political appointments with the UN or the International Monetary Fund or the Bank of International Settlements which of course nobody ever told us about, which is the most powerful institution in the world.So all these things come together to thwart the ordinary guy.In my experience in Britain, and I don't know what your experience is Peter, but my experience is the true guy who questions anything of this nature is what we used to call the artisan class.You're sparky, you're bricky, you're joiner. People who actually do real stuff for a living, they actually put kitchens in, shelves in, drive a cab.People who actually do a real job for a living are very much more highly critical and much better informed.So for example, my window cleaner is simply miles more informed than my friends who read history or law at Oxford.You know, the dinner party set, your English middle class are so gullible and naive.It's unbelievable. A working man having a pint in the pub who's a sparky or a chippy, he's not so gullible because he does a real job and sees stuff every day.So the divide, you have this divide. And people make a big mistake if they think, and people do, that the divide is somehow between class, particularly, or skin colour, or wealth.Well, it isn't. I can tell you. And 10 years in politics showed me this campaigning for Brexit, for example.The people who really understood these matters were the artisan class, but your divide in society is between those in the wealth-creating sector and those in the public sector.Your public sector, your civil servant, your man at the town hall, anybody who works for the government is protected.They have index-linked pension funds, which have long since gone from the private sector.These people are virtually unsackable, the Quangos.All these people are entitled and have the arrogance of office.There's your divide. It's not old or young or black and white.It's who works for the government in some form and who doesn't.There's your divide.Of course, in the last five years, we've seen over 100,000 new civil servants.One might imagine that they won't be happy until everyone is a civil servant and therefore everybody can be controlled.If only we had a conservative government, but I see the same difference in conversations with friends, with colleagues, and I echo what you said.Everything we knew about finance seems to have gone out the window, gone out of fashion. I mean, saving money, don't spend more than you earn, invest wisely, make sure your repayments are manageable, have cash in hand for a rainy day.Now every government worldwide seems to be in a rush to see who can run the biggest deficit, who can get the biggest debt. And governments, maybe at one time, would have been common sense.It's this rush to spend much more than any other government. What are your thoughts on kind of how we have got to that state of financial madness?Well, the problem we've had is Keynesianism. That's from the 1930s, where personal savings were regarded as a bad thing.Public spending and private spending and consumption was regarded as a good thing, and debt doesn't matter. This is your Keynesian theory which has been taught now to generations of people in universities and schools and they don't teach alternatives, they don't teach Austrian school economics, they don't mention some of the great names of yesteryear like you know some of the great French economic philosophers.So they don't talk about this. Debt doesn't matter.They can print money. Of course, in 1971 when America came off the gold standard, the dollar came off the gold standard, which was the reserve currency in 1971, Nixon closed the gold window, which was the technicality of the problem.You see the spending power of the United States dollar from 1971.That 1971dollar now would buy you six cents worth of services and goods, a complete collapse of paper currency.And of course, sterling's worse, and so on and so forth. So it's the degradation of money and it's the unseen tax inflation.So who does inflation hurt?It holds people on fixed income, old-age pensioners. Mainstream society suffers from inflation, but not your public sector.For example, if you're in the public sector, and certainly if you're a pensioner, I have a small pension for the Ministry of Justice, because I worked for them for a while.I won't go into the details there.It's very small.But last year I got an 8.5 percent increase, and I'll get another 8.5 percent, so I'm protected.I live in a small village, but we have retired civil servants in the village, totally protected.Always got new cars, expensive holidays, and extensions to their cottages or houses.Money is no object to them because they're protected. But if you're on fixed income, you're stuck.And it gets back to what I say, there's this divide in society, some people who are affected by inflation and some who are not.So when you consider debt doesn't matter, and of course, to keep up, try and give a modern veneer to it, they've taken away the term Keynesianism by calling it modern monetary theory.There's nothing modern about it. And that somehow, and this is the great key, and I tried to explain this to undergraduates when I was allowed to speak at universities.And the faculties who don't understand it, believe me, the faculties at universities have absolutely no more idea about the economic supply to the moon.So they have these thoughts that debt doesn't matter, that somehow an individual like you or me or a small businessman.Debt doesn't matter.Debt matters. You can't get into debt because debt will catch up with you and your business will go out or you'll go bankrupt.They'll come and take away your furniture, etc.That's for us.Somehow a government doesn't have this problem. Apparently, governments go on spending and spending more money, and borrowing and printing more money with no great effect. It really doesn't matter.Of course, it does matter as we're beginning to see because actually now in the United States, servicing the national debt is exactly the same amount of money as their military budget, which is $1 trillion a year.They're spending $2 trillion in the United States a year, to no purpose, $2 trillion.And then mainstream media, which of course is bought and paid for by the state, the BBC in particular, if you don't pay the BBC you go to prison and that's a government-sponsored idea.Nobody challenges it. For example, you get to the chancellor of the exchequer interviewed.We now have the highest tax regime that we've had basically since the war.Nobody ever suggests, in either political party or in mainstream media, nobody ever suggests that they cut government spending.It never happens. Nobody stands on the platform of cutting government spending.So you have high-speed rail, 100 billion.You have OECD, which incidentally is unaudited, 1 billion pounds a month.Five billion pounds to the Ukraine.God alone knows where that goes.And so on and so forth. So we spend quangos, probably 600 or 700 billion pounds a year in all these things.They could halve income tax. They could standardize income tax.They could halve VAT if they stopped spending.But stopping spending doesn't happen. It doesn't occur to them to stop spending.So when they say, oh, more money for the national health, we need more money for the national health because it's crumbling and breaking down. They don't need any more money. The national health system is rolling in money. Their problem is that out of the 1.2 million employees that they have, half of those aren't medics of any sort. They're not radiographers, physiotherapists, nurses, doctors, surgeons. Goodness knows what they all do. Yes, you need some administrators, you need some sparkies, you need bits and pieces, but do you need 600,000? Procurement.Procurement. My sister used to work for the Norwich Infirmary.She said, I can buy mattresses online, exactly the same, for a third of the price that we spend on them, because nobody's in charge of procurement.Nobody cares about public money, because it's not their money.We have waste on an unprecedented scale.The concept has gone of the public purse. If you went back to before the Great War, if you were a councillor, first of all, you'd be unpaid, there'd be no expenses, and there was a very serious concern about the public purse, taken very seriously from a moral dynamic.Nobody cares about the public purse now. Nobody cares.Does debt matter? Well, yes, it does matter, and we are going to see in the next few years, we're going to see a collapse of the banking system, and we're going to see a collapse of fiat currency. It's paper. It's intrinsically worthless. Then the people who survive that will be the people who have the foresight to buy gold, gold coins. 
Well, I want to finish off on gold, but let me just pick up on the move away from fiat, the restrictions on using cash, often in shops and businesses. It's coming more and more, closing of ATMs, closing of bank branches, and this move towards central bank digital currencies, this move towards a new government control. I mean, how have you viewed this? Give us a little bit more of your thoughts on where it's going.Well, the key, of course, to central bank digitalization, which we have to an extent already, of course, nobody, De La Rue do not print notes anymore. It's created electronically. And, of course, I explain this in my book. If you go in and want to borrow £60,000 for an extension, or you want to buy 20,000 pounds of gold, the bank clerk, if you're a good customer, and they know you, they will simply create that electronically by tapping it out and crediting your account. That's digital money. That's electronic money. It doesn't really exist.Of course, then you send it to somewhere else, the person who's sending you a car, so on and so forth. If you look at the international regulation Basel III, for example, and you have to keep 10% reserves.If you put your money, if you put 100,000 pounds into the bank, they only have to keep.
10,000 pounds of that back as a reserve. They can lend it on.Of course, it doesn't matter to whom they lend it. This is one of the problems that we have.It isn't good lending.It's not sound lending. For example, the Euro bond buying process, when I was there and I was trying to look at what they were actually buying, oh, well, it's Asset Bank.Sell them. No, Mr. Bloom, these are asset-backed bonds.Well, they're not. You get BMW or VW Finance, for example. What you're actually buying is a bond and the asset is an aging BMW or Volkswagen.It's not asset-backed at all.We found this out in 2007, did we not, where people thought they were buying a mortgage from a doctor in Washington with a nice big house at Springpool in Arlington.They weren't, they're buying trailer trash in South Chicago.I didn't fall for it.I was in the game at the time, but I knew what I was doing, because I'm an old man.The children that run the city and run pension funds in some of these councils, they fell for it because they simply didn't do their homework.You can't avoid homework.You have all this degradation of everything, bonds, stocks, deposits, not backed, not guaranteed.You have all these problems. The only way it can go is to destroy itself, to collapse.We saw this in 2007 and 2008, but did we change anything?We didn't change anything. Nothing changed.It's the same thing. They've just printed more and more money and borrowed and spent more and more money.Now we're in a situation where it simply must collapse. They want digital currencies so they can control it.They can program it, and for those of subscribers who aren't familiar with the concept, I'm sure they are, otherwise they wouldn't be watching this program, but let's just take it from there.It's programmable. The World Economic Forum, in line with the International Monetary Fund and the Bank of International Settlement will not want you to spend money on travel or petrol or meat.Are all these things that they think are bad under the cover of saving the planet, which of course we all know is absolute nonsense, its fake, its fake science. But they've got to frighten people to comply with it. The planet will boil if you don't do this. And of course most people don't have the benefit of traditional education. So they're being conned by people because a, they can't be bothered to do the homework, and b, they've probably in the main gone to a state school, this generation or the generation before, where they haven't really had an education at all. They're not educated at all. I mean, I speak at universities. Nice kids.Like a beer, play rugby, play cricket. I love going there. Educated? They're not educated at all. They don't even pretend to be. So these are the problems. You have an uneducated workforce.Programmable. So when you go in and it's programmable and the state can control it, the bank can control it, they will say you've had your ration of petrol this month. Just like the war, you've had your ration of meat this month. You've had your holiday, Mr. Bloom. You've had your holiday. You can't go on another holiday. Think of the planet, you nasty man. Of course, you look around and you see the King flying around in his private jet, the Royal Air, and all of them, Candy, all these people, Soros, Bill Gates... 
Sadiq Khan, who's just done a transatlantic flight with his entourage to talk about climate change. 
Exactly, so, everybody sees this, the question is what can you do? Now in London they reap what they sow.I have very little sympathy for Londoners. It's the second time this man's been elected.So whose fault is it? Well, did you vote against him? The answer is, you clearly didn't.That's why he's there, it's the same as Mark Drakeford, isn't it?In Wales, beautiful country, just got back there, hosted walking. I love Wales.Wales is a wonderful, wonderful country and they've got an idiot running.Well, why is he there?Who put him there? Well, the Welsh voted for him, didn't they?So it's as simple as that. And they've got a Muppet in Scotland.And who voted for him? The Scots voted for him. So stop whinging.Voting doesn't do much good, but it might because you can make more of an effort for whom you vote.And so it's programmable and we know it's going to be programmable, don't we?Because that's the whole point of it. And if you look at the World Economic Forum's spokesman on banking, they say it will be programmable. We'll know exactly how you spend it and what you can and cannot spend it on and they'll cancel it so you can't save because they are modern monetary theorists they will want for you to consume they will want you to consume so if you've got a hundred thousand pounds worth of savings or fifty thousand they say if you don't spend it by the end of the year it will disappear so that will encourage spending which they think is a good thing not saving but if you look at countries with the most successful systems over the years and over generations. It's savings. We built the biggest empire the world's ever seen and led the industrial revolution from about 1815 to 1913. The British led it, but it was based on sound money.And savings and interest rates, which outpaced inflation, although there wasn't hardly any inflation in those days. Savings made a point. Saving money made a point. There's no point in you saving money now. There's no point in you saving money in the traditional sense of saving money because you know if you were saving money for a car, which costs £30,000 today, it'll be £40,000 next year. You might as well buy it now. That, of course, degrades your entire financial system. 
I want to finish off on gold. On your website, one of your tabs is gold. People can find it forward slash gold on godfreybloom.uk. It's intriguing, the more control that is being pushed upon us, the more people have talked about gold, also about crypto looking forward, but gold looking at that traditional store of wealth. Tell us why you believe that gold is an important store of wealth and why people should be taking advantage of that personally.Well, gold is a store of wealth. It's not an investment and it's not get rich quick.And as I always say to my undergraduates at universities, I always hold up a sovereign coin. The date on it is 1905. The date isn't really relevant, but it happens to be 1905.I explained that a gold sovereign in 1905 would buy you bed and breakfast in quite a good hotel in Paris, London, New York, or Berlin. It will today, because a sovereign is worth just under 400 pounds, so it will today, and it will in 100 years' time.Then we went back on to the gold standard after the Napoleonic Wars in 1860 and 1817. The Gold Sovereign became money. That was money. That was a preservation of wealth. That was a medium of exchange, which is what money is. I say, I try to explain money in the book. Most people don't know what money really is. They think they do, but they don't.Now let's just take your staple commodity in the 19th century. Let's go from 1816 or 1817 to 1913, a loaf of bread was the same price in 1817 as it was in 1913.You can't have inflation because if politicians and bankers can't print money, you can't print gold.That's the beauty of gold, but it's not an investment, it's not get-rich-quick.It's where you protect your wealth and you have to squirrel it away to protect your family because nobody can bugger it for you. They can't degrade it. Cryptocurrency like Bitcoin has some of the same attributes. It's significantly more volatile and there are all sorts of, situations where that might not do what you want it to do. But I'm not going to go down that route because there are bigger experts than me on Bitcoin, but gold, it's free of VAT.There's no capital gains tax on it because it's coin of the realm.If, let's say, for example, you are 60 years old, you're retired, you're coming up to retirement, something like that, you've worked hard all your life. Let's say you've got about £100,000 worth of saving or £50,000 worth of saving. It doesn't quite matter what it is.You don't need it at the moment. You've got a bit of a pension. You've got a bit of this, you've got a bit of that. You're perfectly okay. What you're worried about is what happens when you get to my age and you're dribbling down your cardigan and you can't recognize your in-laws and you're deaf as a post and all the rest of it, you've got all these things, then you're going to need care, you're going to need private medical care, you can't drive anymore so you're going to need a cab if you're going to go anywhere, so on and so forth. What you want with that £100,000 or £50,000 when you're 60 is the same purchasing power when you're 75. Only gold will do that for you. Only gold, and it's been proven to do that for you, for 5,000 years. If you dig up a Roman gold coin today, or a Saxon gold coin today, it'll buy you just what it bought when it was buried in the ground or sank in the boat. That's your key. And that's where gold comes in, as it has done for 5,000. There really isn't anything else, to be brutally frank. Some people argue for silver, but it's an industrial metal, some for Bitcoin if you can cope with the volatility, so on and so forth. But that's why I'm a gold bug and I've been a gold bug since Gordon Brown sold our gold at something like 270 pounds an ounce to buy Euros. He's still sometimes brought on TV as an elder statement. The man is a buffoon. He's a buffoon. It's £1,600 an ounce now. And he got rid of our reserves. That's your reserves and my reserves. And anybody watching this clip who's British.That was our gold.So, he got rid of it and, of course, now if you look across the world, BRICS nations, Russia and China, are beginning to view perhaps gold as being the medium of exchange for countries and trade.Not buying a newspaper, not buying a pound of sausages, you'll use whatever the currency of the day is for that, of course, that will continue.For us in smaller gauge, it used to be coppers, copper pennies, silver pennies, all that.Yeah, that won't change.But for big deals, for big deals, for individuals, an exchange of trade and goods, it will be done in gold because that's the way it's been done for 5,000 years and nothing's going to change that.Certainly not Muppets like Jeremy Hunt.
There's no bigger Muppet than Hunt. We will end on that.Godfrey, I appreciate you coming on and people can follow you on Twitter godfreybloom.uk on the website and godfreybloom.substack.com Are those the best places to find you?Yeah, absolutely. Yes, you can find me and I just, if I may just put a word in quickly here.It is a not-for-profit website. Everything I do is not-for-profit.I do not turn a buck on anything that I do recommending.Even my books are virtually at cost because I don't need to make any money.Now another advantage perhaps of being an old knacker is that I've got nothing to spend my money on except beer at the rugby club.Well thank you, I've looked at the website and your Twitter and thoroughly enjoy them both for the information they provide. So thanks so much for coming on and sharing your thoughts on finance.Great, Peter. Thank you for inviting me.

James Delingpole - On a Mission From God: My Rekindled Faith

Show notes and Transcript
James Delingpole is a well known podcaster and social commentator who never minces his words, but he is also a man of deep faith and he returns to Hearts of Oak to tell us the story of how he rediscovered his Christian beliefs. In the UK, faith is a private matter that seems taboo and must never be discussed with others yet James is determined to go against this protocol as he knows the importance of faith and belief. He had a very traditional English childhood where the Church of England was a constant through his education, but once free from those schooling constraints he went his own way. But he has now gone full circle and re-embraced Christianity and found a whole new purpose in life. He shares with us how he now feels called to encourage others to find a meaning for their lives, James' boldness, clarity and certainty is an inspiration in an age of confusion and chaos.
James Delingpole is a writer, journalist, broadcaster, podcaster and columnist who has written for a number of publications, including the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, and The Spectator. He writes regularly for Breitbart London and has also published several novels and political books.James has published articles rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change and he has not been silent in these current crazy times, a fountain of knowledge and common sense when it comes to COVID, The Great Reset, conspiracies and tyrannical political control.And not forgetting, he is the host of the brilliant, popular and ever entertaining podcast, The Delingpod..... which can be found on all good podcast apps.
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(Hearts of Oak)
It is wonderful to have Mr Delingpod back with us again, James Delingpole. James, thank you so much for your time today. 
(James Delingpole)
It's a pleasure, Peter. 
Great to have you, and obviously you can follow James there is his Twitter handle, and Delingpod will bring up, everywhere and anywhere where the Delingpod is, whether it's audio you listen on the go, or whether you watch. I certainly enjoy it on Rumble, but I'll let the viewers and listeners choose their preferred platform to watch your many interviews.Now, James, I wanted to have you on. Actually, as I mentioned to you before we went on, it was chatting to Dick at the Comcast event at the beginning of the year.And the issue of faith came up in one after one of the sessions over a few drinks.So I was curious and wanted you to come on. I know there's something you've talked about, but maybe if I can step back a little bit and ask you what was your background kind of growing up in terms of faith and church?I have probably the classic background for a certain kind of Englishman, let's say. So I went to a prep school where we had chapel seven days a week, twice on Sundays, and then I went to a public school where there was a fairly similar arrangement.And I went to church at Christmas and possibly Easter.I think at the time I didn't really know it, but I was what I would probably call now a culturalChristian. I believed in the Church of England as a kind of institution, as part of the fabric of our heritage, you know, you had all thebeautiful churches run about the country. You had the vicar judging the marrows in the village fete and more tea vicar. And the church was there for when you got married and when you got buried, when you got christened. And this was part of the sort of the ritual formality that binds our country. I still respect that element, although I think it's greatly diminished in our culture.But in what you might call my normie days, I would have made a very good case, for the cultural importance of Christianity and of the Church of England, and just sort of giving a degree of shape and meaning to our lives.But what I didn't really, I didn't, I wouldn't say I was an atheist.I know I wasn't an atheist, because when I was at my prep school, I remember arriving at my prep school, I would have been about eight.And you get dropped off by your parents.And then the headmaster and headmistress pretend to be all friendly, like they do in front of your parents. And then your parents go. And then suddenly, you are.It's like being in prison. It really is like being in prison.You are shown to your dormitory.And your bed is not the comfy bed you had at home, where mommy kind of tucked you in and read you a story.It's this grim prison bed with this lumpy mattress and these scratchy blankets.And you're in a dormitory with these boys who, some of them, are crying in their pillows and stuff.And I remember that first night. And what do you do? I remember saying my prayers.Because I'd seen my dad, when I was very, very young, one of my earliest memories is going into my parents' bedroom and seeing my father kneeling down by his bed every night. He said his prayers.And so for me, it was something that you did. So I said my prayers.And I wonder now, looking back, whether a bit like,I think that I did myself a lot of good later on in life by being a cross-country runner at school.When you develop your lung capacity and your stamina at that age, it stands you in good stead for later life. And in a way, I wonder whether my prayers put me on the right footing, with God. And I suppose, did I say my prayers when I was at my public school at Morven? Probably I did. But as you know, there is a massive, there is a sort of cultural cringe towards Christianity, which I now understand is the work of the devil. You know, if you are the devil and the devil does exist. If you are the devil and you've got this institution, Christianity. How are you going to undermine it? Well, I think if you attack it head-on, what you're probably going to find is that people are going to resist and they're going to defend it. It's a bit like when big government pushes too hard.I just done a podcast with somebody who's, sorry, excuse my digressions here, but I quite like a digression. I just done a podcast with Monica Smit and Monica Smit, got, did 23 days in solitary confinement in an Australian prison cell because this punishment for resisting all the kind of vaccine mandates. And she was describing what it was like in the the state of Victoria, which, of all the places in the West, had about the most draconian COVID regulations anywhere in the world.And she said that there was a protest outside the state parliament in Victoria, in Melbourne.Which attracted 600,000 people, 600,000 people.The population, I think, of Victoria is 6 million. So when you discount all the people who were too young to attend or too old to attend, she reckoned it was probably about half of the state was up in arms against it.Because Dan Andrews, their wicked premier, pushed too hard.And I think it's the same where the devil knows this. The devil's a clever fellow.So he knows that if you want to undermine Christianity, you don't attack it head on.What you do is you make it this slightly embarrassing, uncool thing.And you infiltrate the church by making sure that you get priests, clerics, who don't really, they think that Christianity needs updating. You know, that Bible stuff, it's so old-fashioned. It's just like, they're not really.They're not very progressive on issues like homosexuality. And really, you need kind of gay marriage to, because the Bible was, happened a long time ago, and we've moved on since then.And also, you need, instead of psalms and robust hymns written by Charles Wesley with Jolly Tunes, what you need is people strumming guitars. And you need to rewrite the service book. So instead of having the old liturgy with its robust, sonorous, and beautiful language.You replace it with this touchy-feely, limp, toe rag, limp dishcloth stuff that's designed to make you feel awkward and embarrassed and to take you away from the numinous, from the spiritual side of things, which is the only side that really eats.In fact, what you do is you keep the religion, but you remove God.You remove the key element. And one of the things that's really excited me about my sort of discovery or rediscovery of Christianity is to realize that the supernatural element, the element which has largely been written out of Christianity in our secular culture, is the stuff that really matters.Because God is real.God created the Earth. I mean, despite what we're taught at schools, we're taught evolutionary theory is evolutionary fact. And it just doesn't stand up when you look into it.So my journey of faith has been rediscovering that God is real, that angels are real.Two of my followers, whatever we want to call them, have seen angels.I know demons are real. There's a friend of mine who can actually see the demons feeding off people.They harvest our emotional energy. Once you understand that this earthly world, the materium, is merely a kind of Earth-bound reflection of what is happening above in the spiritual realm, Only then do you really understand the nature of reality.Can I, I agree on that? When I talk to atheists, I say, I wish I had your faith to believe in nothing.When you see the complexity of the world. 
Yeah, that's a good one.
But can you, I'm assuming that when you left school, you kind of left that behind.I'm hearing kind of your faith as in prayer, that ritual was part of the education, but when you finish education, you left that behind, or did you keep some of that?
More or less, more or less. I had an interesting period where, when I had children.And every parent goes through this, how do you get your child into a school that is not totally shit, that is not going to break the bank. So in the early days, most of us, can't afford private education for our children. I mean, I did go private later on, but by various means, you know, sort of bursaries and helpful relatives and things like that. But you think, okay, well, got to get them into it, ideally a church. I can't do a Catholic school, because I'm not a Catholic, but Church of England Primary. And quite a lot of Church of England Primary schools know they've got you by the balls. They know that this is a way of enforcing church attendance among parents. So then it came down to what?Most churches are really grim places. And I mean, talking back then, the modern equivalent of talking about Zelensky and climate change, that they've got all these values which have nothing to do with Christianity.So you think, well, and some of them have really long services as well, really, really boring services.Luckily, we had family connections, traditions with a fantastic church called Chelsea Old Church on the embankment.It was Thomas Moore's church, I think.So lots of people have worshipped there. And it had a really good vicar called Peter Elvey.And Peter Elvey and his marvellous assistant, Susan Gaskell, who was this, she liked to sort of have a glass of champagne at 11 in the morning and with a few cigarettes.She was proper old school.And the congregation was really quite pucker. And this appealed to my snobbery apart from anything else.And I like the fact this is an old church. And I think it used the Book of Common Prayer, I think.But they had this great children's service.And in the middle of the service, they had a really good dressing up box.And if you were lucky, your children would be selected to act out whatever the day's scripture, what the day's reading was.And I started taking part in organizing this. And sometimes I would do some of the quizzes where you'd quiz the children on what been said in the story, and testing them, and throwing mini Mars bars to the child who got it.So I quite liked this. I didn't become a God-botherer. 
So this was your first, what, this may be 15 years ago, whatever. This is your first step back into the church, is it? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. But it reminded me of some of the things that are good about the church. But more, Do you know what, at the time I justified this to myself more on, I remember going back to my school, back to Malvern, and talking to one of the few staff that remained from my period there. He was a history teacher, and he was describing to me how children would come up, would start at, 13 year olds would arrive at the school, and none of them would know basic things like the biblical stories, which I think are one of the bedrocks of our culture. And this really matters to me. I mean, regardless of what you think about the spiritual element, we are a Christian country. Our literature, for example, which is possibly our greatest artistic speciality, if you like. Our literature is steeped in religious learning. I mean, I studied The Dream of the Rude. Anglo-Saxon poetry is all about Christ and the cross and stuff. And then you go through to Chaucer and Shakespeare and so on. Milton, obviously.They all have an understanding, they all write on the assumption that their audience knows things like the water into wine and all the stories.And I found it shocking that I was living in a world where this stuff had been written out of our history.Probably the generation after mine is the first generation in a thousand or more years that doesn't understand the basics of the Bible. And that was shocking. So I saw it as a cultural thing. I thought it was part of my children's education, number one. And probably also at the time, I believed something which I do not believe now. I thought that the great clash of, the great war, if you like, was between Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. I didn't realize that almost all alleged Muslim attacks are actually false flag operations masterminded by the dark side. So I thought, it's Lord of the Rings time. There is evil out there, and we can see what the evil looks like. And we've got to know what side we're on. We're on the side of Judeo-Christian culture, as I would have called it at the time.So I saw it as a cultural thing rather than as a spiritual thing.
So there came a point, I want to pick up on that, cultural Christianity near the end, because it's something I've been pondering about a lot, listening to a lot of commentators.But for you, you talked about going back to church. Then was there a wake-up point, or is it gradually, when you begun to realize, actually the Bible is true, God is real, and that then requires a response from me. 
That came later. So, about just before the fake pandemic craziness, I got very invested in Donald Trump. I thought that Donald Trump was was going to save us.I don't think that anymore. I don't believe there are any white hats.I think they're all compromised. But at the time, I sensed that something was very, very, very wrong with the world.And I think a lot of people who go down the rabbit hole have this traumatic experience in some way, whether it's somebody who's had all their money taken away by the banks, that they thought banks were respectable, or whatever.My own trauma was seeing the leadership of the free world, as I believed it was then, stolen in real time by skulduggery of such breath-taking overtness.It was so blatant.And I saw the entirety of the media, which I'd thought of as a journalist of 30 years, I thought, well, the media's job is to speak truth to power and all the things that Toby Young still believes in.I thought, well, the media will never allow this to happen. They're going to point out all this blatant stuff, ballot papers being discovered by the lorry load, filled in and stuff, and footage from the various counting stations and so on.Anyway, it didn't happen. I saw that the mainstream media, which I trusted to tell the truth, was gaslighting everyone, into believing that actually this was normal and that this senile, incontinent crook in the pay of communist China and stuff, who'd never even gone on the road because his handlers couldn't bear to let such a liability anywhere near the electorate, that somehow this guy Joe Biden had won and worst of all was all the people I'd thought of as my comrades in arms, the people who I thought of as the band of brothers who were going to fight with me in the foxholes alongside me, and I could trust them to guard my flanks because we were all in this one together, that great battle for freedom, for truth, they were participating in this lie.And it was a real, real, OK. I mean, I was desperately naïve.I think most of us are, though.I think because we're subject to this brainwashing process from the earliest stage.Our parents, who know no better, tell us. And then our schools brainwash us.And then the media brainwashes.And the entertainment industry brainwashes us. So it was really, and I went through this period of about three months where, I mean, I almost had a breakdown, actually.And then you start looking into various other things, trying to make sense of the world.And you realize that the whole world is a lie and an illusion, and that there are really, really bad people in charge.And that is the stage where you go from red-pilled to black-pilled.You think, we are totally stuffed. But then, parallel to this, there were various awakening moments. So I started noticing in my podcast that I was starting to talk about that I was, I started mentioning God more, and I was starting to talk about being on a mission from God. And I said it half flippantly.But I began to realize that actually, no, I wasn't saying this flippantly at all.I remember doing a podcast with Jamie Franklin from a Irreverend Pod.Yeah. And Jamie said to me, you know, I've noticed that some of the language you've started using is really quite, you know, religious, Christian in its overtones.And I thought, yeah, you're right, Jamie. What's going on here?There were a few other things, because it didn't... there wasn't a...A saw line moment of sort of blinding realization. It wasn't as simple as that.I remember I did a podcast with Jerry Marzynski, the psychiatrist from Arizona who'd worked a lot with paranoid schizophrenic in high security hospitals and prisons. And it's worth listening to the two podcasts I did with him, but Jerry, unlike most psychiatrists or prison shrinks, who'd prefer to dose their patients with chemical cosh's and just like, you know, turn them into zombies. He actually took the trouble to listen to what they were saying about the voices in their heads. And he discovered there was remarkable consistency in what the voices in the heads were saying was the sort of thing that demons would say, because these things are demons. And he found that the most effective treatment of these demons was the 23rd Psalm. So I thought that's interesting. I get kind of voices in my head, not demonic voices. Well, I mean, I think they are demonic voices. But I think when you say to yourself things like, God, you're such an idiot. I bloody hate you, you bastard, you stupid. I hate you. You really you'd be better off dead. You should die. I hate you. I used to get that all the time, especially after nights drinking, whatever, and stuff. So I started learning the 23rd Psalm, and then I learned Psalm 91. And then I thought, I quite like these Psalms. And what I found was that the Psalms made me based, for want of a better word, the Psalms are a great solace.And it's not without reason, I think, that novice monks, the first job when they joined the monastery was to learn the Psalter.They learned the whole lot, all 150 of the Psalms.The enemy, the forces of darkness, the Russell Brands of this world, they use words.They use words like spells, and the dark side uses spells.Christians too have spells, but we don't call them spells, because that's what they are. They are a form of magic, but they're holy magic. And when you say the Psalms, it gives you... you put on the whole armour of God. They protect you. They protect you from the dark forces. And I mean, There were other moments too. I found that I would have moments where...I didn't have a voice saying, I am God, and thou art my chosen one to go.But I do very much feel, really, really feel, that I've been given a mission, a purpose. And my purpose is twofold. It's one to red pill people, and one to white pill people.And I feel really, really comfortable about that. I don't feel at all embarrassed about talking about Christianity.When I go out into the world, when I'm hunting, for example, and the fact that I go hunting pisses some people off.And I say to them, OK, I wrote a piece about this on Substack once.I say, the world is controlled by Satanists who sacrifice children to the devil, and you're worried about fox hunting. Get real. I think anyone who's against fox hunting is not actually fit to be properly awake, so they don't get it.They don't get that the war on hunting is part of the forces of darkness's war on humanitygenerally, on us ordinary people. If you saw how communities are bound by rural communities, economically they're bound, socially they're bound, the qualities that they instil in the people who do it, you know, courage, camaraderie, a love of the countryside, you know, we even love the fox for goodness sake, I mean, because the fox is a key part of the deal and we respect the fox, we like the fox, the fox is our quarry, okay, he's our enemy in the sense that he trashes chickens and stuff, and if you've seen the hen house after a fox has been in there, it's carnage.Everything that's going on in the world right now is a war on humanity, and we are created in God's image. And that is why they do it. That is why they divide us in all sorts of ways, whether it's through religious schisms, whether it's through things like animal rights, a division between artificial entirely, I think, created by propaganda, between meat-eaters and non-meat-eaters.Almost every division in society is created by the forces of darkness to divide.I think, left to our own devices, we'd all get on really quite well.We wouldn't have wars.We definitely would not have wars. Wars are all engineered by a tiny, tiny, tiny satanic, class. Where am I going with this? I can't remember what the question was.
Actually, on the Psalms, you talk about the Psalms, reading the 23rd Plasms, 91st and others.You've just started a series on the Psalms. Gavin Ashenden, I think, was the second one I watched that.That's intriguing because the only other person, I think I've seen Alistair Williams do, kind of looking at different parts of the Bible. It's something that's frowned upon, as you said, frowned upon in the UK. It's not the American right that where people are fairly open about faith, whether it's real or not. So what led you to actually going through the Psalms and talking about it? Because that's quite a step change. It puts you out there, makes you vulnerable.It's outside your lane, all of that stuff. 
Yeah. They came about me like bees, which are extinct, even as the fire among the thorns.How could you not respond to language like that? I mean, the language of the liturgy is up there with Shakespeare. It was written about the same period. I mean, I just quoted, I hope accurately, the psalm I'm just learning, which is Psalm 118. The one I've been using is, I started out using the King James versions of the version of Psalm 23, and then just KJV.But then a lot of the psalm translations in KJV borrow quite heavily from Myles Coverdale, who was translating them about 50 or 60 years earlier. And I think there's a greater charm in his translations. And so those are the ones used in the Book of Common Prayer, which were were the psalms I learned at prep school, or the psalms we sang at prep school.And I remember at school.And I was thinking, why?Why are we singing these dirgy, I mean, OK, some of the hymns are bad enough.But the psalms, you didn't really know what the point of them was.They were just, but looking back, I'm glad that I've got these phrases lodged in my head, which I was, it was like having a kind of Proust-Madeleine moment where I came back to learning these psalms and recognizing these familiar phrases which I'd resented singing at school or sort of croaking at school, you know, the fowls of the air and the fishes of the sea, and whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea, so Lord our governor, Herakles, which is my name, in all the world.There was a point, and I doubt even the head of music, who was also one of the school's benders, who used to molest us, I'm sure was the case in most prep schools.Everyone had a kind of molesty master.I doubt he was much of a Christian, not least because he introduced with relish the alternative service book of the 1970s, that horrible yellow band thing with the horrible modern liturgy. So he was probably part of Satan's mission. But anyway, unwittingly, he inculcated us with the language of Miles Coverdale, which has stayed with me since. The Psalms are as,I mean, I'd love to be able to speak Hebrew and read them in the original Hebrew. But certainly in their translation by Coverdale and the team that put together the King James version.They work as literature. They also work as a form of solace, because what they do is tell you that however bad things may get, God is there for you. They're kind of like an instruction manual.It is better to trust in the Lord than put any confidence in man.It is better to trust in the Lord than put any confidence in princes.I mean, if you learn those two lines, in fact, one of them would do, it'd be a very good manual for living out your life, because you wouldn't be putting your trust in Russell Brand.You wouldn't be putting your trust in Donald Trump. you wouldn't be trusting, you just remind yourself that the most important thing is God.And the better your relationship with God, the better life you have. Because God works his holy magic. I mean, all Christians can testify this. All real Christians know that this stuff is not imaginary, that there are ways that God helps you, that the supernatural, the crazy stuff works. And the Psalms were a daily reminder of this. And so if you can ideally learn them, because you inhabit them more thoroughly than you do when you're reading them.I mean, I have a treasury of poetry in my head as well. I learned a representative poem by pretty much all our great poets. I mean, I don't practice them as much now because I'm too busy reciting the psalms in my head.But when you learn poetry, with your stumbling process by which you memorize these poems and you get it wrong, you actually go through the process the poet went through when he was writing this poem. And in the same way, I think when you learn the psalms, you, well, you inhabit them, and they inhabit you, and that is a lovely thing to have running through you every day.
Yeah, because there are numerous times in the Psalms where it says, tell my soul, speak to my soul, and it is a framework.It changes your focus, not only the Psalms, but Proverbs, a guide for living, and whatever you're going through personally, that is what gives you hope, and you're right.If you soak in that, you're infused with that, then that affects what you do.
They have direct practical uses as well. For example, Psalm 91, which is a warrior's psalm.Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, nor for the arrow that flyeth by day, nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.A thousand shall fall at thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee.".This, I understand, is the prayer recited by the US Marine Corps when they go into action, and probably many other soldiers as well. And it protects you. It protects you. So that's a good psalm to have up your sleeve. 
You talk about confidence in what the Bible teaches about taking that on and that becomes who you are. I'm curious because when I look at the Church of England and doubt and how that fits, I mean I grew up a pastor's kid, Baptist church, it was certainty, it was absolute, you knew what you believed. Then you look at the Church of England and kind of there's a lot of fear of offending, and I guess doubt becomes a virtue. I'm intrigued with that, where I like the absolute uncertainty that parts of the church bring to the Bible, it is the Word of God, it is true, where The Church of England  seems to struggle with that sense of truth.
Well, I don't think it's just the Church of England. I think that all the, well certainly, the Roman Catholic Church, certainly the Church of England, probably most churches, have been infiltrated by the forces of darkness. Obviously, as you would. I mean, if you were devil, it would be your key target. The Pope is the anti-Pope. The Pope is definitely batting for the wrong team. So is Welby. And yet, I quite like, I'm quite enjoying the fact at the moment that I am a sort of floating voter in that notionally I'm C of E. But I find much that is good in the Calvinists I speak to and in the Catholics, particularly the Latin mass.And it enables me, I think, to speak to all Christians rather than... I mean, I love the Orthodox Church. You're like, wow, I'd quite like to be an Orthodox monk on Mount Athos.But- 
We could do that together. That'd be good fun. 
It'd be fun. It saddens me that there are these- you see it on my telegram channels, that the Baptists and so on, and the Calvinists and whatever, they think that Catholicism isn't really Christianity because they accuse them of worshipping Mary and saying prayers to saints and stuff. And it's a throwback to the emperor Constantine. He never really converted to Christianity. That was just fake. And what he did was he borrowed all the kind of pagan goddesses and you know all this and I'm thinking...God. I don't want to speak for God. But I have a feeling that God is looking at these schisms and going, guys, lighten up, will you? You're all doing pretty much the right thing. I don't believe that he is so picky, that he is saying, well, the Catholics, they are pagans. Look at at the Asherah pole they've got standing in the middle of St. Peter's Square. How can they not?The other thing I've noticed about becoming a Christian, is that the upside is the church, the broad church, the joy you get talking to Christians about Christianity. So the other day I went riding and you're going to be on a horse talking to people for the next couple of hours if you're out on the hack. And some of them are boring, some of them are not. So met these people and two women up from London and I said to one of them.And what's your name and she said I'm called Mariam I said Mariam oh that's an interesting name. It sounds a bit...Ethiopian.  She said, I'm not Ethiopian. I'm originally from a Muslim background. I said, all right. Yeah, well, Mariam, yeah, I've heard it a lot. It's sort of the Copts. I kind of like the Coptic church. It's really old. And I didn't mention that they've got the Ark of the Covenant somewhere hidden in Ethiopia. But I said, yeah, I'm really interested in Christianity. It's just, I think, endlessly fascinating. She said, are you? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't get enough of it. And she said, I was baptized three months ago. And I said, oh, wow. So the whole of the rest of the ride, we had this great talk about God. So that's what I love about Christianity, the fellowship.[The downside is that you get lots of really annoying Christians who do things like telling you, hinting that you're not really Christian enough, or correcting you on sort of doctrinal inaccuracies. I've got views that I know are heretical. I'm not going to talk about them here, because I don't want to get stick from... But look, I think that you listen to the the words of Jesus. You follow the Psalms. You've got the creed to keep you on the straight and narrow. Go to church if you can. Take communion if you can. We're all on the same team, I think.Can I pick up, just to finish on that cultural Christianity, which has been in my head for a couple of years watching different commentators, politicians, probably more stateside, they kind of, they yearn for those days whenever Christianity gave a moral framework, I guess, and they seem to want the idea that Christianity brings without having the person of Christ.And I enjoy watching conservative commentators struggle with that, that they want this but they don't. And it's like something is so attractive, it looks good, but yet that relationship with Jesus, that actually calls them back.Yeah, I mean, didn't Tony Blair claim to be a Catholic once?I have my suspicions about other conservative MPs who go big on their Catholicism.In fact, I have my severe doubts about any of the MPs who play the Christian card, because I think they're all basically working for the other side.I think what we saw during... I hate to use the word COVID like it was real.But what we saw was the puppets of Satan just doing the devil's work to the people, trusting people who thought these were their elected representatives.I don't think that I, it's not for me to judge, but I don't think there are many MPs, any politicians anywhere in the world who are not going to burn in hell.
But what does that, because I know, I think Thierry Baudet was with you a while ago, and he talked about the Natcon conference.And he was fairly dismissive of that actually being conservative and not only the big issues, but actually what I took away looking at some of those was that Christianity no longer plays a part in those circles, apart from lip service.Is that a fair enough assessment or disagree with that? 
Totally. Yeah, I mean, Natcon is definitely another example of the devil at work. Yeah, yeah.I mean, name me an MP, a politician of any hue, who talks about real Christianity, as opposed to Erzat's Christianity. Yeah, they might like the values.None of those values involve actually believing in God. I mean, can you imagine if you asked any of them about how the world was made?All they'd be doing is thinking of the headline that X believes that, lol, the world was made by God.Come on, everyone knows that evolution is how. was Big Bang and then there was this apparently Charles Darwin tells us, you know, one of the greatest Britons as named by the BBC, so it must be true, They wouldn't go there, they just couldn't cope with it.Oh a hundred percent. I had Eric Metaxas on once talking about the death of atheism and it's a phenomenal book going into the none of this can be luck and chance, none of it, the complexity of, the world. Just a quick question, what about push back on you because you're not supposed to have a series on the Psalms on your channel, that's just not done here. Kind of what pushback, have people say, James, get back to discussing COVID the last three years.
Oh, it's no, no, do you know what? I don't get much of that. I get more, I get the occasional commentator, who has clearly been following me for a very long time in my, in my normie phase where I believed in things like the war on terror stuff.And they're looking at me now and thinking this guy has lost the plot.He thinks it's a conspiracy and what's more, he thinks the devil's kind of running the show.He needs to, you know, hasn't he read any history books? Surely he knows that it was the North Vietnamese that started the Vietnam War, you know, with their...Torpedo boat attack on the U.S. fleet. So their reference points are reference points of those trapped in the beast system. All the history books are written for the devil's party. All the politicians work for the devil's party. It's everywhere. Look, it says in 2 Corinthians, doesn't it? That Satan is the god of this world. And unless and until you understand that.You are missing the biggest piece in the jigsaw. You're never going to get it. You can be right about vaccines, that they're bad for you, and you can be right about the importance of bodily autonomy and stuff. You stand up all these principal things, but until you understand that this is a war between good and evil, which has taken place since the beginning of our time on this earth, you really don't get it at all, frankly. 
100 percent. That is the piece of the jigsaw people have to get to understand everything else. James, I appreciate you coming on. As I said at the beginning, I've been wanting to have this conversation with you and unpacking, so thanks so much for coming along and sharing your story with us. 
Well thank you very much, I really enjoyed talking about it, part of my holy mission from God. 
Thank you, I think the last guest you had on the Delingpod, just for the viewers and listeners that haven't seen, I think was Abi Roberts.And we had her on after she got arrested for swearing, and Abi is a force of nature, so if people want to catch the latest one, it is Abi Roberts on the Delingpod, everywhere and anywhere. So, James, thanks so much for your time today. 
Thanks, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Welcome to our weekly show that looks back over the past seven days and this episode it's the return of the totally brilliant Ben Harnwell!As the international editor for Steve Bannon's War Room and the host of War Room: Rome, who better to talk us through what has captured his attention, piqued his interest or made his blood boil in the news, on social media and in the tabloids.Topics up for discussion...- Israel at War.- Laurence Fox hits out at GB News after learning of his dismissal while being detained on suspicion of conspiring to commit criminal damage to ULEZ cameras.- From a Capitol Hill basement, Bannon stokes The Republican Party meltdown.- American Voters Trust Trump.- Donald Trump followers targeted by the FBI as 2024 election nears.- Out of the 8K troops discharged over Biden’s COVID vaccine mandate, only 43 have re-joined.- Average credit card interest rate reaches its highest level in 30 years.- British university offers master’s degree in a course exploring the impact of magic and witchcraft on society.
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Links to stories...Israelhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/07/hamas-launches-attack-on-israel-with-5000-rockets-liveLaurence Fox https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-fox-arrested-after-video-showing-police-in-his-home-shared-on-social-media-12976589Bannon https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/politics/bannon-republicans-gaetz-mace.html?unlocked_article_code=nKib4hCg4u08suEva1AfWAcYLcVc6pgYSxJc7tDrWUEI1NqNBZeNMF87o-NOb-88TkLQjTOMY7hrLxU77IiA_AFRzrUnJvp9wwH7BGRNYIKNGHs_Q-uy1VcHWTBzFnAVGdkQeBvun4tT45yONrWjAcKgzbOWiO2TIqe-wMqUv9l2IBQ3ENJ7HJKYnkqPOHEyr7SduRe1p4pODgfRbkUv-YxhgCosg0qQRcsO9QxrbZDNtOfKYm1qC8wzlb66ZbRucx0e4kaTKCLaS6VrPhcYfcGkkdnhqmSFpjFl7qt5VfTlAG8z4q4mzAAJ7pZBSlv1LrK8YzIPJERxrxhMpSyynIof_VCUnLEq-OhP&smid=url-shareTrump Followers https://gettr.com/post/p2rzjw54b28Trust Trumphttps://gettr.com/post/p2rznl90addTroops Discharged https://leoterrell.com/out-of-the-8000-troops-discharged-over-bidens-vaccine-mandate-only-43-have-rejoined/?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=gtCredit Card https://themessenger.com/news/average-credit-card-interest-rate-reaches-its-highest-level-in-30-years-reportMaster’s degree in magic https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/oct/04/exeter-university-masters-degree-magic-occult