Hearts of Oak Podcast

Senator Malcolm Roberts - One Nation Australia Have the Guts to Say What You’re Thinking

Show notes and Transcript
We have all witnessed the complete collapse of freedoms under the Covid Tyranny that enforced in Australia. Shockingly only one political party speaks out against this new authoritarian regime and that is the One Nation party, led by the irrepressible Pauline Hanson. Senator Malcolm Roberts, along with party leader Pauline, has been a thorn in the side of the establishment throughout the last 3 years. The media have tried to silence them. The courts have tried to silence them and they have been jeered and mocked each time they speak in the Australian Senate. Yet this attempt to censor them has only emboldened them and increased their stature amongst the public. Senator Roberts joins Hearts of Oak to explain how One Nation have the guts to say what many Aussies are thinking.  
Malcolm Roberts' passion for freedom, responsibility and service are his guiding principles for his work as a Senator for Queensland.  He was first elected as a Senator with One Nation in 2016 and returned to the Senate again in 2019.The early years of Malcolm’s life was spent in India before moving to Central Queensland with his family as his father worked in the coal mines, then later to the Hunter Valley and finally settling in Brisbane.  Malcolm and his wife Christine have two adult children.Malcolm has extensive experience and success from within the corporate sector and as a business owner.   His background in engineering and mining started before graduating with an engineering degree (honours) from University of Queensland. After graduation he worked for three years as an underground coalface miner.  Malcolm rose through management ranks to lead and bring about significant profitability and production improvements at underground coal mines and coal processing plants.A keen interest in business leadership and economics led Malcolm to a Master’s degree in business administration from the University of Chicago’s Graduate School of Business. He led the operational development of Australia’s largest and most complex underground coal project that successfully set many industry firsts.  He then established an executive consultancy specialising in leadership and management services for Australian and international clients.Malcolm brings to the Senate a thorough, practical and analytical approach to examining issues and is deeply committed to listening and thoroughly researching the facts.  He is enthusiastic to work with Queenslanders to understand people’s concerns, connect with people’s needs and work to bring about helpful solutions.Australia’s capacity to embrace its riches and talent has been slowly eroded over time.  Malcolm is committed to optimising our productive capacity by removing excessive government intervention and halting the slow march towards the centralist approach that undermines our ability to take responsibility and have freedom in our lives.
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Interview recorded 10.9.23
 
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(Hearts of Oak)Senator Malcolm Roberts. It is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you for your time.
(Senator Malcolm Roberts)
No, you're welcome and thank you very much for the invitation, Peter.
Not at all. We've had lots of US, European, UK politicians, so we haven't had one from Down Under, so it's great to have you with us, giving us a little bit of an insight into what's happening in your part of the world. People can obviously find you at, there is your handle on Twitter, and they can also find your website which is there at malcolmrobertsqld.com.au it is all there on your Twitter feed. Senator Roberts, you, Senator Queensland with Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party and we have certainly watched what Pauline has done there as a voice of reason in Australia. You've been there since, well really since 2019, But if we could go back a little bit, your background is not politics, it's coal mining.Do you want to just touch on that, because often we see career politicians and your story is quite different.Right, my roots go back to Wales, in the valleys around Wales, the town of Bedlenog.And my grandfather was a coal miner and my father followed him into the mines.And at a young age he got a scholarship to a grammar school, I think it was called, and he did very well and he became a mine manager at a very early age.And then he, to a credit, as a credit to him, at the age of 23 the British coal mines were nationalized, and he knew at the age of 23 that that meant they would be ruined.And so he left and went to India, which took a lot of courage, And he helped set up mines there, he helped manage mines, and then he started selling equipment over there for a very large British company at the time.Then he moved to Australia. So I grew up on mine sites, and I used to go underground with him, with dad sometimes, and I just loved the environment, loved the atmosphere.And so I studied mining engineering and graduated with a Bachelor of Mining Engineering honours degree. And then I decided, Peter, I better go and learn something. So I've worked as a coal faced miner for a few years, and different mines around the country because mining is unlike most other engineering fields. What we're dealing with as an engineer is constantly varying and it and the different approaches to different conditions varies enormously across the sector.And the other thing that's very important in the underground mining sector is the importance of people. Well, it's important in everything, but particularly important in coal mining because workers, very small teams, remote from each other, sometimes kilometres away. And of course, lives depend upon us doing our jobs properly. So I love the underground coal mining and that's where I got my experience and then I worked then briefly, sorry after I left, after I finished working three years as a coal face miner, I went overseas to America and worked for two very large companies and then I came back to Australia, got into management, sorry, got into engineering.I never really wanted to be an engineer. I like the logic of it, but I like working with people.So it was a shortcut for me to get into management. And I moved rapidly through the management ranks and was appointed a mine manager.And then after getting tired of the bean counters telling us what to do, I went to the University of Chicago.And graduate school of business and did a, it's now called the, oh, I've forgotten what it's called now, but it's got a new name.And then I came, I was offered a job in the States and then a large international company headhunting back to Australia to set up a large new underground coal mine where we did a lot of things new in the way of leadership.And that was a lot of fun. And then I formed my own consulting business and I worked overseas and Australia.And I came back from 12 months overseas with my family in New Zealand.And I heard all this rubbish about carbon dioxide causing global climate change, you know?And I thought, this is rubbish.
When was this? 
Sorry?When was this? 
What year? 2005, 2005. When I got back, it was early 2006.And I thought, this is complete crap. And so I did the research, because I won't speak up without knowing the facts.And it was crap, and it is crap. And so I then started holding politicians accountable, journalists accountable, academics accountable, frauds accountable.And Pauline Hanson heard me speak one day and she said, I want you to sit on the ticket with me for getting into the Senate. So that's what happened and I got in.Tell us, because obviously being a climate change denier, that's one of the worst sins, COVID actually is now one of the worst sins, denying that. 
I'm both, I'm both.
I love it, I love it.But how does that, because in Australia you've got a big mining industry.We've seen the US shoot itself in the foot massively by pushing towards net zero, we've seen the UK shutting down their oil fields out in the North Sea, How does it kind of work for Australia in the public? Because that's an industry that employs a lot of people, and yet it's punishing yourselves, punishing your own citizens.
Well, it's insane, Peter. It is absolutely insane, because China produces 4.5 billion tons of coal a year, every year, and it's heading for 5 billion. That is, you know, 20 years ago, it was around about 1 billion, under 1 billion, and then it rapidly moved to 3. And I got caught out by, when I was working with a client in India, and he said, no mate, it's up around 4. So 4.5, now billion, and they're heading for 5, and they're importing our coal. They want more of this stuff because they've got to get steel to make wind turbines to sell to us and to sell to you, and they've got to get coal for making solar panels to sell to us and to sell to you.And they don't put many of them up because they recognize that coal is high energy density, and that's what gives us its remarkable efficiency and its cheapness of electricity.Australia once had the cheapest electricity in the world when we used largely coal.Now we're one of the most expensive, and we've got the highest level of per capita subsidies in the world for solar and wind.And so we are destroying our industry.And get a load of this. We flew over the Gladstone, the port of Gladstone, which is a major port in our state of Queensland. And there I could see, off the port, I could see 38 coal ships ready to be loaded. You know, this thing that's going to be stopped mining.It's complete rubbish. Everyone's wanting our coal. And so, then we flew over the port itself, and there was a coal ship, an overseas vessel, loading coal from Australia to take overseas, probably to China. And there were wind turbine blades stacked up on the wharf.Importing. What we're doing is we're subsidizing the Chinese to make these things.We're subsidizing the Chinese and other foreign companies to install them.Then we're subsidizing to run them because they're so inefficient, they can't work without subsidies.So we are raising the cost of our electricity, which is now the number one cost component in manufacturing. So we're destroying our manufacturing sector, exporting our manufacturing jobs to China.Exporting our coal to China, but we can't burn it in Australia.I mean, it is insane.And, they're so destructive to the environment as well.So, we are killing our industry, killing our future, killing our security, killing our human environment, and killing our environmental environment.It's just nuts what's going on.How did you actually get in to the politics? You talked about, Pauline, seeing you.Politics can be brutal. On one side you can have the recognition, that level of fame.On the other side, I know the media can be absolutely brutal. You're not a career politician.What kind of persuaded you to leave an industry you kind of knew so well to actually enter into the public sphere of politics?
Well, my dad was from Wales, my mother was from North Queensland in the tropics.And they both valued honesty very, very highly.And that was ingrained in me. And I just couldn't turn my back on it.So what I started to do when I first realized it was a scam, this climate change rubbish, I started to write to politicians and journalists and held them accountable.And I just couldn't help myself, but I had to get the data first and do the research.So I did a lot of research, a lot of reading, contacted the most eminent scientists around the world on climate.And I realized that it was complete crap. So, that wouldn't stop me then, you know, it didn't matter.That was far more important because I could see where this was going.The number one protector of the environment.The whale's best friend, the forest's best friend is coal. Because back in your country in the 1850s, people were burning whale oil for lighting, now burning timber for cooking and for heating.And coal came along and changed all of that. And then we didn't have to hunt whales, we didn't have to cut down timber. And we've now got whales back in growing numbers.They're no longer threatened with extinction. And we've got now, I think in the developed continents, the figure I saw was 30% more area in forests than 100 years ago.Why is that? Due to coal. Coal has also been a huge benefit to humanity.Our lives along, you know, I can summarize it this way.A king or queen 200 years ago did not live as well as someone on welfare in our country today, because of the high density energy efficiency of coal, oil, and natural gas, and now nuclear.So that's the stumbling block for wind and solar. They're just so low in energy density.And Peter, we have spent the last 170 years getting away from being dependent on nature for so much.And we finally made it so that we're almost independent.What do they wanna do? Take us back to being dependent on the sun and the wind and the vagaries of nature.It's just insane. 
Tell us about Australian politics, obviously in the One Nation party you're one of two, Pauline being the other, a senator in the Senate there, 76 in the Senate. Tell us about what has been like during that time because COVID tyranny obviously hit soon after you were elected within a year, year and a half. How have you managed to be kind of the voice of reason and how has that gone down in the country?
Initially, it didn't go down to well at all, you know, but as I said, we can't back away from it.And so, if I've got the facts that show a certain position is correct, then I will speak it.It doesn't matter what it is. There's only been one or two things that I've delayed and not on COVID, that was always an urgent thing to get out.But on a couple of other issues, I've delayed to have better timing because we can get savaged.But those things are out.Out in the open now, those things are out in the open too. So it's really simple for me to just tell the truth.And I don't give a damn what people think. And the Greens, who are the most inhuman party there is, anti-human party, they're disgraceful for what they do, what they're doing to children.Families, humanity itself, and to the environment.Their policies are really hurting the environment. The Greens would yell at me and carry on and insult me and interject, but I have never, apart from once, taken an interjection.I just talk my way through it, just keep going. So they know that they won't upset me.And so in the early days, you know, the climate denial business, the COVID denial business, That didn't stop me and it never stops Pauline.They use an even worse tactic with Pauline, they call her racist, but she comes back at them now and just says, criticism is not racism.For me, it was a matter of just telling the truth, having a really strong woman beside me and me being strong beside her, having the facts to back us up, knowing that they're wrong and that I've got duty to protect people's lives.My first speech in the Senate, and every speech that I have over about two minutes, I start with the words, as a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia.When I first uttered those words in my first speech, members of the Labour Party laughed.You know, but that's their job. So I take that very, very seriously. So it doesn't bother me, being slagged by the media. What is more difficult is that the media won't come near me now, because I've embarrassed a few of them, because I have the facts at hand, and they won't touch me.I know that even Sky News, which is the only semi conservative channel in this country, my name is on a list of politicians banned from Sky News, because I was calling them vaccine shills basically and pointing out their errors in what they're doing.We've had the same thing here, all the media on the right have done that and taken the money for pushing the jab. In the UK, I remember my many years in UKIP where we fought for Brexit, it was a single-issue party and therefore we had kind of the support of the media because they were happy to push a single issue which wasn't a wider threat necessarily against the establishment parties, but it ended up being a threat. 
A threat that came to reality. 
I know. 
You guys did really well. Brexit, that was wonderful for the whole world. 
We just wish, others actually, the wish is that we had politicians who knew how to drive this new thing that they have. They've been given a vehicle, they've been given freedom to do whatever they want and our British politicians are looking at each other scratching their heads thinking what do we do with this thing? That's the frustrating thing.If only we had politicians who knew what they were doing with it. But over there.One Nation is a party that has policies on everything and I've watched the attacks of populists, to use a term I guess, across Europe, parties that care about the national interest and put that before the wider interest and they've all suffered hugely. Tell us what that has been like for One Nation, what has been the kind of attacks you've had from the media?Well, as I said, Pauline has been called racist, which is the worst thing you can call an Australian woman. It's very hard to get around that. But she is remarkable. She just does not worry about it.If the truth is there, she goes for it. And as I said, now she comes back and says, criticism is not racism and she's, people know, you know, the first couple of days after I was announced as successful in 2016 and my first stint in the Senate, I was approaching our head office and in Brisbane and three black people from the Northern Territory came to me, Aboriginals, and they said, where's Pauline's office? And I said, follow me, just walk in. And they said they were from the Northern Territory, which has got a large proportion of Aboriginals.And they said they'd come down to Pauline because she's the only one who understood them and the only one who's willing to get off her arse and do something about them.So Pauline has never uttered a racist word, but she has called out racism, and for that she's been labelled a racist.So it's just a matter of.Just being strong in our self, because it doesn't matter what we get called on the media, it doesn't matter what we get called in Parliament. And now, it's very interesting, because when we first started talking about the reality of the COVID mismanagement and deceit, Peter, we were getting called out. But now, starting in about February, another senator walked up to me and said, did you see what happened when you asked your question about the injections? And I said, no, I was too busy focusing on the question and the answer. And he said, well, the Labour Party, who's now in government, at that time in February, they did their usual catcalls and jeers about as soon as I mentioned injection, I don't call them vaccines. Normally, I just call them injections because they're not vaccines. They're an experimental gene therapy based treatment. And he said, after they got over the initial slagging of you, their heads dropped, and they were silent the rest of the time. And now what we're finding is, everyone, all the major parties are now endorsing our call for a royal commission into the mismanagement of COVID. And they're just saying, two of them are just saying, not yet, after the states have finished their inquiries. And so we're getting a big change, the big issue that confronts us now is that we still haven't got recognition of the excess deaths.We've got deaths, 40,000 excess deaths above normal, 40,000.It's more than two Boeing 787 Dreamliner's crashing each week and no one's interested.No one in the government, I mean, if one Boeing crashed and everyone was killed on board, there'd be an inquiry starting straight away.But now we've got two a week on average for a year and no one's really interested.Because they are interested, but they're scared of digging into it.Now we can start seeing, people are starting to talk about it in the communities.Some of the ministers are starting to get defensive about it, because the most important thing I think in this country is we've ceded our sovereignty to the UN policies, to World Economic Forum policies, and probably an even more important thing is the fact that our politicians don't use data.As a business person, I was trained to use data. That's what I did at the University of Chicago.I learned in most statistically sound college in the world, probably, known for its hard use of statistics, and they don't use data, they just use bullshit, basically, make up whatever they want, and we come along with data, and a lot of the issues are coming to us now because we just got the data to start with, and we knew it would eventually work.Well, we have one single MP, that's Andrew Bridgen, and he is simply on the side of of vaccine harm. He actually is further to go I think to getting it but simply on vaccine harm. What is, is that not even being discussed there?Are there politicians who are willing but privately? Obviously Andrew Bridgen was kicked out of the Conservative Party. Is it putting career first before country?Well, my hat's off to Andrew Bridgen, and I've had a talk with him.He seems a very down-to-earth sort of person, no nonsense, so I admire him enormously.We have two parties, your equivalent of Tories who we call Liberals and National Party, and your equivalent of Labour Party who we call Labor Party, without the U in it.We've got the American spelling for some reason. I don't know why.They've both been reluctant to talk about it and the policies right across the whole, the mainstream of politics, they're almost identical.They're not an opposition. They pretend to be opponents, but they're not really.However, there is one enormous difference between the Liberal Party and the Nationals and the Labor Party.The Labor Party, if someone has a different view, they don't dare raise it.They don't raise anything that contradicts their Labor Party hierarchy.In the Liberal Party, most of them, most of the time, are reluctant to speak up or to cross the floor or vote against their party, but there are a few who will, just a few, and no more than three or four, depending on the issue, and it's very, very rare, but they still do it.That's the only difference between the two parties, so it's that ruthless party discipline.It's called discipline. I call it cowardice.And it's also, I call it, betrayal of the people, because they were elected to represent the people, not to put the party first.And so we're starting to see some people in the Liberal Party opening up and talking about the deaths very strongly too. There's no one in the Labor Party, no one.And the Greens, the Greens used to be opponents of Big Pharma.The Greens now are Big Pharma's little play toys and foot soldiers.The Greens are just hideous.
I've seen that. But again, I guess when you look, you thought having Scott Morrison, you thought someone who, kind of, when I look at that, conservative Labor, so the Liberal Party maybe being on the right traditionally at some point, maybe not now, but you kind of thought well he may have actually stood up for something but he was one of the biggest proponents for the tyranny. I mean we in the UK looked down at you guys and really worried, were concerned. I talked to Australian friends and it was heart-breaking that limitation of even travel across state lines, people were being punished. I mean, and then now he's out but he presided over that for for four years. Tell us more about that situation, because it was anapocalyptic situation that you'd see from some dystopian movie. 
Oh yes, you know, to give you one, Morrison lied. He was a notorious liar, control freak. He seemed to change dramatically under COVID, and so many other things in other areas, in climate. He became a climate alarmist. But under COVID, the federal government cannot issue mandates for injections, but it did. So Morrison issued mandates for the Department of Defence, the Australian Electoral Commission, Age Care, and several other agencies.He's the one who bought the injections from Pfizer and Moderna and AstraZeneca initially.He's the one who bought them with federal money, taxpayer money, gave them to the states.He indemnified the states.He shared data from the federal health department with the states, which if he hadn't shared that, there's no way the states could have put the mandates on.So, what was the other thing he did? That's right, the state premiers who put the mandates on in their own states, they injection mandates, forcing people to get injections or lose their jobs.They said that the decision to inject people through the mandates was done at the National Cabinet. Now, National Cabinet was a furphy. It was created by Morrison. It's not constitutional.It's a very closed shop. They don't release anything to the public scrutiny.And National Cabinet is a bogus entity.And Morrison headed the National Cabinet. There was one other thing.He bought the injections.Oh, that's right. He provided them with lots of cash to indemnify them if anything happened.So there's no way the states could have done any injection mandates except for Morrison enabling it to happen.And then Morrison, every day for two weeks early on, said there are no injection mandates in this country.He was driving it, and he knew it was on, he had to know it was on.And there are so many things that Morrison did. And Greg Hunt, you know, Greg Hunt, the federal health minister, said, the world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial.You do not mandate trial, trial drugs that didn't even go on, you're probably aware of it.But we just could not believe what was going on.And so we just called it out. But the press was enthralled and I think their allegiance is to Big Pharma.The public were absolutely terrified.We recently exposed the fact that this goes back to 2008, 2009 with APRA, our Australian Health Prudential Regulatory Agency.Which has been belting doctors, threatening doctors, suppressing doctors, bullying doctors, intimidating doctors, so that they wouldn't report incidences of vaccine deaths and injuries.And we've also found out that the Medical Countermeasures Consortium was the British government, Department of Defence and Health, and the British government, the American government, the Canadian government, the Australian government.That's what drove the injections, the development of the injections, as well as the implementation of the injecting.And so it was, so, you know, we've been calling this out and bit by bit things are coming out.So we'll push every week we give an update on this.
Well, tell us about that, because here in the UK, we've had a COVID inquiry, which probably could be better summed up as a COVID whitewash.It's simply going through the motions. No one really wanted it.We don't have a party in Parliament that's actually pushing it like you have there with One Nation. And the media are slowly beginning to change their tune slightly, although you can go back to the articles and prove they were forcing the COVID jab on everyone, but now they're pulling back from that. What is it like, in Australia with politicians maybe slowly waking up, changing their tune and with the media, is there a slow change happening?
There is a slow change happening in both politics and in the media, Peter.We've had some fairly strong journalists but they've been throttled by News Corp, Rupert Murdoch's outfit, but they're at least a little glimmer.They were a little glimmer all the way through. They'd have little articles about the masks being ineffective and questioning things.They weren't really coming down strongly against things, but they were questioning.The ABC and the other commercial media, Channel 9, Channel 7, and Channel 0, Channel 10 on the commercial TVs, the radio stations, they were horrific.There were people who would call in on talkback radio stations to 2GB and give an alternative view from the mainstream.And they would just be smashed by the announcer. So that was definitely very strong in the media.They were all bought, they were all paid for advertising the injections.They were all part of the hype, which indoctrinated people.But as the injection started getting worse, in terms of their effect, people were starting to wake up.And now, we've got a couple of News Corp journalists from Rupert Murdoch's stable who are doing a good job. Adam Crichton, I singled out, he has done a marvellous job.I don't know if you're aware of him.He's a fairly young economist, very good writer, factually correct all the time.He's their Washington correspondent, Adam Crichton, C-R-E-I-C-H-T-O-N, I think or G-H-T-O-N.He's very, very good.And of course, we've had a lot of people spring up as what I call independent, truth-seeking, truth-spreading, freedom people's media.And the podcasters and Avi Yemini, you know him, Rakshan and others following in the footsteps.Footsteps of Ezra Levant and so on from Canada.They're doing a really good job.And now people do not believe the mainstream media as if they ever did, but now they definitely don't believe it.They question everything. And that's been a wonderful silver lining to the dark clouds of COVID because, well, no, not COVID, the silver lining to the dark clouds of COVID mismanagement.COVID was virtually nothing, really, and it was the mismanagement and the fear and the intimidation, and the wonderful benefit of that, the side effect of it, has been people are waking up and they're questioning things and they're saying, hang on a minute, that COVID, that was a lot of crap in that.They're using the same tactics in climate as they used in COVID.I think the climate change might be crap too, and of course we know it is.So it has been a wonderful awakening, but still we've only got, where we used to have five people awake, five percent, we've probably only got about 15 percent now.So we're badly needing to get to 30 percent. It's growing, but not quickly enough.
We had Avi on six weeks ago, for the second time, and I love watching Avi.He is a firecracker, and I know Ezra, I've met Ezra many times, and I love what he does the Rebel. Without actually probably setting Rebel Australia up you wouldn't have that and I think Avi is absolutely essential, no fear. How does it, with the One Nation Party, how do you put yourself forward because the last three years, I guess any individual or party or media outlet that sees themselves on the side of freedom have had to understand what's happening, understand that actually the government don't want the best for us and that relationship I think has changed. I think in the West we've had a general understanding that government actually want the best for people. I mean talk to people in the ex-communist country and it'd be a very different understanding. So how do you One Nation go out and engage with the public, put yourself forward?We go out into the regions and into the communities a lot more than the other parties. And I think that it's easier for us, Peter, because we can actually go and listen.The others have to pretend to listen, because they've already got their minds made up. They're following instructions. So we can be frank and open with people. And Pauline and I have a reputation for being honest with people. And if someone asks us a question and criticizes us on their policy, we'll listen to them. And we'll do facts. The other thing is we use facts and hard data to back up our policies, but we get a lot of our ideas from the people.So we're in touch and we are able to listen and show that we listen.So that's what we do.I know that I've met Nigel Farage a couple of times, just briefly.He said that he didn't get much media and actually someone told me that's not correct because you actually got a lot of media because of your stances, but they didn't come looking to you, I think looking for you was what Nigel meant, that you weren't readily accessible. But because your policies were so strong at the time, they actually did report them a lot, but he told me that you didn't have a lot of social media back in the early days, not Brexit, but UKIP.It was basically going from one community to another, and just having town hall meetings and getting the word out like that.That's remarkable. I recently did two months or six weeks in the regions of our state, just setting up forums and evenings in pubs, and so it works.We only get, I guess we get more than the mainstream parties actually to turn out, but we might only get a hundred or so people.We know that they talk to other people and they like the fact, people love the fact that we just call it as it is.Some of them say, look, I don't really agree with you, but I like what you're doing.You know, so we use social media, we're very strong on social media, we have the highest engagement of any pages in the country, Pauline and I generally.We're really beaten in terms of engagement and our reach is pretty strong.As James Ashby in our party said, he was the first one to introduce our party to social media, he said, our reach is sometimes far better than the highest circulation paper in the country or far higher than Sky News broadcast reach.So and we've got good equipment for doing live stream and also live crosses to some of the TV channels.But they haven't even got our equipment so, you know, but we make a very important stand and just being honest, data-driven, factual, and telling it like it is.And as Pauline says, her slogan is, I've got the guts to say what you're thinking, and that's correct, and people know that.
Yeah, yeah, they like that honesty. And you mentioned, I mean, Nigel, for 25 years, through UKIP, it was those town hall meetings, it was those one-to-one encounters in the world before social media.But I think today, few people realise the work that is involved on building something up from a grassroots. They expect a tweet to change things overnight.And what you're describing as town hall meetings, that's what it's all about, isn't it?About meeting the public face-to-face and engage with them and understanding those local concerns, which is something that the major parties just don't do.That's correct. As I said, I don't think they can do it because they can't afford to do it because they have to go through the motions of pretending to listen, Peter.They can't listen because to listen, you have to then do something about it and you take it back, and they know they cant.You know, their best senator, without a doubt, their best senator, well, no, that's not true. There's another one in South Australia who's very effective.Certainly one of their top senators has just lost pre-selection.He won't be pre-selected for the next election because he's too damn good.He doesn't cow-tow to the party line, you know. He's more in our mould.They're just afraid and the Labor Party. people know that the party, their party hacks and they just, they just, they're controlled by the party machine in the Labor Party and to some extent in the Liberal Party. So people don't trust politicians, it's just, and yet that's what stuns me, people don't trust politicians and rightly so, but they run to politicians and because the, it must be because we're descended from, most of us descended from convicts because we run to authority, I guess. We need a few more Irishmen over here.
Can I ask you how you kind of build on what you have going forward? When I look at the UK, we were under the control of the EU. As I said, we've got out but don't know what to do with that freedom. What is it like for Australia and Australians? You're far away from many things.You're not under that same kind of economic power base that we had under the EU. Does that mean you're freer to make decisions? How does that kind of fit into that national sovereignty issue?In our early years, we were captive of the British. There's no doubt about that. The British used us to provide food, to provide raw materials, and market for their products. You know, not a big market, but nonetheless a substantial sizeable market.That's been taken over by the Americans because the Americans supposedly defend us.Now I question whether they will or not if push comes to shove and we get into a war, because Britain gave us a lot in terms of our parliamentary representative system, systems of government. The British gave us enormous benefits, but the British only looking after the British. And that's the same with everyone. And the Americans are looking after the American, looking after America when they come to managing us. I recently read a book by Clinton Fernandez, which for anyone interested in Australia, he called it sub-imperial power.Title is sub-imperial power. And he points out that our manufacturing has been suppressed in this country because they don't want us to be a manufacturer.They want us to stay dependent. We've got wonderful resources. We'll be a quarry. Thank you very much.And the Americans control what we do. And we have become their little foot soldiers, a sub-imperial power in Timor and in certain areas of the Pacific.And so we do what the Yanks tell us.And Peter, I've got a huge admiration for America. I worked over there for three to five years.Sorry, worked and studied over there, went to one of their best universities.I then travelled for 15 months. I've been through all 50 states of the United States, and I absolutely admire and love Americans.I detest their government. Their government has become a globalist dictatorship.It's the number one form of terrorist. It's the world's worst terrorist organization.They've killed so many people, destroyed so many governments.So it's the American government that I've got issues with, apart from Trump.He seemed to be a breath of fresh air.But the American government on both Republican and particularly Democrat sides are just tools of the globalist predators.We know that now. So that's our biggest problem, that I think, that we're still, if the Americans wanted to dethrone someone in another regime, we seem to follow them into the war.Just gullible.You know, our foreign minister at the time of 9-11, Alexander Downer, retired a few years later, and he said, when John Howard, our prime minister at the time, came back from the United States, And he was there when the Twin Towers came down.He walked into cabinet when he got back and said, well, we're off to Iraq.No, no, no, no conversation, no, it was just, we're off to Iraq.And I wonder where he got his orders from.They're the kinds of things we've got the guts to ask, but we have to ask it because we're just pawns of the United States. And I love the Yanks.I'm married to one, by the way, and I've got two children who are dual citizens.So don't accuse me of being an American hater. I'm not such an admirer of the United States.I think I've been over there seven times in the last 18 months.So I share your love of the US.Just to finish off.... 
I'm very worried, though. It's declining very quickly.
Oh, it is. It is. 
Terrible.
And I talk to a lot of my US friends, and it is concerning, heart-breaking to see, what is happening over there. So yeah. Just to finish off, can I ask you just what gets you up?Shared about servant, having that servant heart, serving the nation. Obviously the the climate change mantra that's coming is a huge threat to all of our nations.What kind of gets you up in the morning and you kind of, I'm sure there are times when you think, is this worth it? This is just too much of hassle and yet every day. So what kind of drives you personally to keep serving the people in the senate.I love to set people free. I remember when I was a mine manager, when I was a coal face miner I thought, this bloody management is half the problem, the union hierarchy, union bosses with the other half of the problem that many mines. And so when I was a mine manager, even though I was the boss and had supposedly and had five hundred fifty people, working for me in the traditional language. I never said that they were working for me.My job was always to help them get coal out of the ground and get it out safely.I never saw 550 people working for me. I was serving 550 people.That didn't mean that I let them run the show. I was responsible, so that means I ran it.But I would involve them a lot and listen to them a lot because I've recognized from very, very young age, that people are incredibly talented.And the thing that gets to me is how much the globalist predators, the parasitic globalist predators, BlackRock, Vanguards, the United States administration are suppressing people.The anti-human theme, the anti-human, the belief that humans are a pest, the belief that humans have to be controlled.I have never seen that. So wherever I've gone on the mine side, I've gone in there and I've seen people who just don't give a damn because the previous manager lied or the previous manager was incompetent or and you look at them and they won't take responsibility, but you start giving them, because responsibility meant punishment.And so you start giving them authority to do things and say, you know, what would you do about it?Or you put the responsibility back on them. At first they run from it because they've never had responsibility.And they love it, and they're so free.And I can remember walking out of one mine, one late one evening.This is back in 1980s, late 80s, thinking, why am I so happy?What am I feeling good about?And I turned around as I was walking away from the mine, and I saw huge piles of coal.And I thought, well, it's record coal production, but that's not what's making me happy.Safety figures are much, much better.That's not what's making me happy. It's the fact that we're setting people free.And when I arrived at that mine site, the evening shift, who was never in touch with the main mine management, they would always have a stop work meeting, literally every night.Because they're so pissed off with what was going on. What I realized was evening shift, came to work, went underground, came up, went home.We were having record production because the people were free.Now, we also brought discipline in, so it's very important to have that discipline because you can't let everything go to hell.You've got to have discipline for those very, very small minority of people who can't provide their own self-discipline.So it's that sense of freedom. I can see our country had 120 years ago was the number one in terms of income per capita in the world. We had a tiny population of 5 million. We built a lot of the infrastructure we now depend on with those 5 million people. Now we're going backwards, and our people are getting choked. And it wasn't just with COVID, it's before COVID because we're working for the globalist predators. So what I would like to see is Australians set free again, because we're wonderfully talented people, and all we need to do is set these people free. If we got the government out of people's lives, we would have such a marvellous country again.100%. Senator Malcolm Roberts, thank you so much for joining us today and letting us know how you and Pauline are being a thorn in the side in the Senate to the system. I love it. So thank you so much for sharing with us today. 
Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you very much for the invitation. Happy to chat with you, Peter. I've enjoyed it.

Richard Poe - Are the British Destabilising Africa Through Economics and Intelligence?

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New York Times bestselling author and award winning journalist Richard Poe always gives great context and depth to news stories so he returns to Hearts of Oak for a leftfield conversation concerning Britain and Africa. Last year, Italy's Prime Minister, Georgia Meloni suddenly started denouncing French neo-colonialism, blaming them for keeping Africa poor and forcing the inhabitants to flee to Europe. Richard asks if she is focussing in the right direction, is it not the British who are destabilising Africa through economic levers and intelligence operations? We have seen African governments falling like dominoes with 7 coups in just three years. What lies behind these and are they connected or just purely random?
Richard Poe is a New York Times-bestselling author and award-winning journalist. He has written widely on business, science, history and politics.His books include The Shadow Party, co-written with David Horowitz; The Einstein Factor, co-written with Win Wenger; Perfect Fear: Four Tales of Terror; Black Spark, White Fire; the WAVE series of network marketing books; and many more.Richard was formerly editor of David Horowitz’s FrontPageMag, contributing editor of NewsMax, senior editor of SUCCESS magazine, reporter for the New York Post, and managing editor of the East Village Eye.
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Richard Poe, who re-joined us. He was last with us when we looked at his book, The Shadow Party, looking at George Soros and his control, power, and influence. And today we look at something completely different, and that is a thread that he put up on Twitter titled, Are the British Destabilizing Africa?And this is from a video that Giorgia Meloni, the Italian PM, put up denouncing French neo-colonialism and I often think well the Brits did good in Africa but maybe the French and the Belgians and the Germans and they were a bit naughty. But Richard brings his deep understanding, his delves deep into this subject and, exposes maybe why that thinking is not necessarily correct, how the British have been closely involved, look an economic side of it but also the intelligence services and how they operate and look in some of the recent coups, maybe what lies behind that a little bit.So much to pack into this huge subject.
Richard Poe, it is wonderful to have you back with us again.Thank you so much for joining us again today.(Richard Poe)
Thanks, Peter, it's great to be here. 
Great, and we're going to go through quite a bit.Just before we jump in, I'll just say to the viewers, that Richard is well worth following because his tweets actually bring something quite different.Bring the historical side to a lot of what happens and I think the conservatives movement can often be guilty of kind of in your face what's happened that morning and by the afternoon it's old news and just for our viewers and listeners I think Richard brings context often to stories that are happening but whenever Richard is last on we look through his book The Shadow Party. How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and the 60s radicals seize control of the Democratic Party. That is in the description for you to go back and have a look at and delve deeper into that topic. But he is a bestseller on many other books but that's what we stuck on and of course former editor of Front Page Magazine and we've had David Horowitz on with us before. But Richard there, people can obviously find you @RealRichardPoe, richardpoe.com, the website, and Richard Poe on Substack.Everything is in there for the viewer and listeners to take advantage of.Richard, one tweet that caught my eye, and we will delve a little bit into that, is on Africa and the Brits. And as much as I like blaming the French for everything as a Brit, that is our national pastime, sometimes the British have been at fault over history for a few things. If it hasn't been the French, it's probably been the Brits or the Belgians maybe. But there was a statement I think by Georgia Meloni, the Premier of Italy, and she had started denouncing French neo-colonialism and you had put up about the British destabilizing Africa. Do you want to maybe just begin with that and set out why we can't point the fingers solely at the French?Right. Well, basically, I knew something about, let's call it the neo-colonial infrastructure of Africa, because I was actually hired by a think tank, oh, more than 10 years ago to do a paper on that subject. And for various reasons, it was never published, but it was extremely eye-opening. What I basically discovered, to my astonishment, was that the EU, and in particular Great Britain, France as well, but really Great Britain more than anyone else, had essentially continued their colonial relationship beyond the date when these various African countries supposedly became independent, that what they actually did, they being the various European colonial powers, is they simply set up alternate structures through various kinds of diplomatic channels and the UN system as it was being set up.So that the UN today.Really is a neo-colonial structure. And that's really what I discovered in this research, which again, never saw the light of day.A topic I may write about someday in my memoirs. But so I had studied this in some detail, these NGOs and international treaties and such that had been set up for the very purpose of making sure that those European countries which had formerly owned colonies in Africa continued to maintain that relationship.So specifically the Anglophone colonies that were English speaking, maintained their relationship with Great Britain.The Francophone colonies maintained their relationship with France and so on.And in the 1957 Treaty of Rome, establishing the European Economic Commission, or community.This relationship was actually formalized, whereas the countries which had been former colonies, and I think the way they put it in the treaty, they didn't call them colonies, but they said countries in Africa having a special relationship to members of the EEC, would have a certain kind of membership in the EEC.I think they were called associated members.And they would have a special diplomatic and economic relationship with the EEC, trade privileges and so forth.So maybe because I researched this so deeply, I don't want to bore your viewers with so many details, but the bottom line is, so in the last few weeks on Twitter, we've suddenly seen an uproar from, especially from certain influencers with these coups that have been happening in Africa.In particular, there have been six coups in three years.In a number of countries, most of which are former French colonies.In fact, all of which are former French colonies except Sudan, and the cry has gone out that at last the freedom-loving people of Africa are getting on their feet and overthrowing the yoke of French colonialism. This map has been getting wide circulation and all this enthusiasm from people on Twitter about overthrowing French colonialism. So I thought this was remarkable for a couple of different reasons. First of all, I thought French colonialism was overthrown a long time ago, or at least that's the official story. I remember as a kid, you know, in the 1960s, that was the big thing. The end of colonialism. It's all over. And, you know, these nationalist leaders in Africa who had become, you know, the first presidents of the newly independent countries. These were big pop culture heroes in the 60s. And so now so many decades later to say, finally at last French colonialism is being overthrown. So on the one hand I thought that was interesting because it broke with the pop culture narrative that we were all brought up with that colonialism ended decades ago. All of a sudden it's here, it's now, and it's being overthrown in the year 2023. But the other thing that caught my attention is that they were specifically referring to French colonialism, when in fact there were several colonial powers, in Africa. There was Great Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, the list goes on.And in the case of Italy and Germany, their colonies were taken away because of world wars.But still, there were several colonial powers that remained, which still considered themselves officially, quote unquote, responsible for their former colonies, which meant, especially in the case of France, that they would intervene militarily in those countries when they felt there was some need to do so.And the French in particular have done this probably more than any other quote unquote former colonial power, but the British do it too. They just have a more subtle way of doing it.And so this is what I discovered that think tank research had done more than 10 years ago.So that was the second reason that I was, or the third reason that I was surprised by this sudden enthusiasm for throwing off the yoke of French colonialism, because I knew that in fact there was such a thing as French colonialism, and there was in fact such a thing as EU colonialism.The EU itself as a bureaucratic entity has directly involved itself in the management and admin of the African continent.And so I knew all these things, but most people don't.And it just was surprising to me to suddenly see this acknowledgment of that colonial relationship which in the past had been very controversial and hushed up and denied.Can I ask, because I've been reading a book on tax havens and delving into that world, understanding about money flows, and the book basically starts with the French, takes Gabon as an example of how the French set up the president there, and the coup has supposedly removed his son Ali Bongo and they use this as an example of how the French control large parts of Africa and I read that as a Brit thinking you see France have been really bad we're actually Africa should be thanking the Brits for what we've done for education roads and is is that a very simplistic view of Africa. 
Well, when you say simplistic you mean the view that Africa was actually better off under colonialism? 
Yes, because I know I've seen stuff and I've seen even you retweeted the thought that actually what Africa needs is for those colonial powers to go back and to fix it once again. That obviously would not be a popular view in many parts of Africa with the whole conversation about payments, colonial payments, repatriations, all of that. But my simplistic view is, well, Britain could actually fix that, build a few more roads, a few more hospitals, a few more schools, and life would be good again. Is that view extremely simplistic?Well, I would simply have to confess that I don't know, in answer to that question.The fact is, what I'm learning now, excuse me, the research that I'm doing now about the American Revolution and the economic and financial reasons for, the reasons why our founding fathers wanted independence from England in the first place, I'm really learning a lot about the colonial system and how it works.And you know, there are people in America who say essentially the same thing.We're not quite in as bad of a fix as Africa yet, although we seem to be headed that direction pretty quickly.There are people in America who are monarchists and who are questioning whether we were better off under the British, as strange as that might seem to you.And you're seeing that more and more. I think it's being pushed a little bit on social media in some quarters as a kind of PSYOP, and the fact is, you really have to dig to some extent to try to figure out, you know, why did the founding fathers feel so strongly that they needed to get away from England?And there actually were some really compelling reasons, most of which had to do with an extremely oppressive economic system that was enforced by law, in particular by the so-called Navigation Act, whose effect was basically to keep the colonies by force of law in a situation where we had to produce raw materials, food, crops, tobacco, cotton, things like that, and to sell them very cheaply in England and then to get all of our manufacturers from England, where they were beginning to have their industrial revolution and we had to buy them more expensively. And this is the heart and soul of the colonial relationship. The colony produces raw materials and food and sells them to the, very cheaply.The mother country then sells us, the colony, everything that we need in terms of manufactured goods, but they sell them quite expensively. And so there is a permanently enforced balance of trade, which is wildly disadvantageous to the colonized state.And this system is enforced by local corruption, because in order to make such a system work, you have to get local people to support the colonial relationship, and you make them very, very rich, but at the expense of the majority of people.And the best illustration for that in the United States is the pre-Civil War South, the Antebellum South, where you had a cotton-producing economy, which was almost entirely run for Britain.Almost all the cotton was sold, I think more than 80 percent, was sold to Great Britain, which was, of course, at that time the leading producer of cotton textiles in the world.And so some people, like our little Harris family in Gone with the Wind, got very, very rich selling cotton to England.But the way they did it was by enslaving people and making them work for free as slaves.And it was argued at the time of the American Civil War and in the years leading up to it that this colonial system, that essentially the American South had been recolonized by England and that slavery was the result of that. This was argued by certain economists at the time who were sympathetic to the Northern position. They were saying that the institution of slavery in the South was a direct result of the elite southern planters whose livelihood depended on Great Britain, on trading with them.Always having to try to please their British buyers by keeping the price low because the British did have other places where they could go. They were constantly trying to develop other sources of high-quality cotton in Brazil, in India, in Egypt, in other places.And so the southern planters who were what modern scholars would call a colonial elite, they were a small portion of the population who enforced essentially a British colonial system because it made them rich personally, but it was at the cost of everyone else, where the black slaves and the poor whites as well, essentially there wasn't much left for them at the end.And they weren't allowed to develop an industrial economy because that's not what the British wanted. They wanted the South to remain an agrarian society that devoted itself to selling cotton.So this situation actually led directly to the American Civil War, which was the most terrible episode in our history. And I wrote an article about this called How the British caused the American Civil War.What happened is the North started to, trying to impose tariffs on overseas trade for the specific purpose of discouraging the southern planters from selling to England and the British did what they do when their colonial interests are threatened. They sent in their secret agents and their provocateurs and one in particular named Thomas Cooper, who was a British, apparently, intelligence agent. He had first gotten his start going to France and helping to stir up the French Revolution. Then he moved to South Carolina.He became a very prominent, respected person. He was a judge. And in 1828, he delivered a speech calling for secession of the South. And this speech is widely recognized by historians as having been the beginning of the Southern secession movement. So because of that and various other manoeuvres, including material assistance, which Great Britain gave to the South during the Civil War.It is very clear and in fact undeniable, although it's been scrubbed pretty much from our history books. It is undeniable that Great Britain caused and instigated the American Civil War and did everything in their power to help the South win. And you can see British newspapers and political speeches by British statesmen. There was no question that they were on the side of the South and they wanted the South to win and they tried very hard to intervene, including having the French put a very large army into Mexico, putting a lot of British troops into Canada.So, what I'm saying by this, Peter, is that when you look behind the scenes, when you look at the surface, you might think that colonialism, or British colonialism, is seemingly benign, and that it actually helps people who are in a lower phase of development to develop infrastructure and trade and education and health and all these things, that it brings in money, it brings in expertise, and all of that. But when you look a a little deeper, you realize that the intention of the colonializers or the colonizers, whatever.Is not fundamentally a good intention. That what they want is to set up economic relationships that are actually disadvantageous to the colonized country in the long run. And to maintain those relationships, even if it means tearing apart a country in civil war, and in our case a country of people of European and British and Irish stock, especially at that time.It wasn't even a matter of race, you know. It's just when those economic interests are threatened, the colonizing power becomes very ruthless and the colonial elites become loyal to a foreign country instead of to their own country, which is what happened in our South.So, on the one hand, yes, I would agree that this question of were certain parts of the world under colonialism, I don't want to answer with a knee-jerk response to say, oh, out with the colonizers, it's racist, it's sexist, it's homophobic, it's whatever.Yeah, I just threw in homophobic just for the heck of it. Actually, I don't even say that.But I mean, what I'm saying is I hear what you're saying, I hear your question and I absolutely don't go with the knee jerk.Woke or politically correct, autumn idea that colonialism was totally bad.I don't go with it. I think it's a complicated question.But I also think that my research into the colonial past of my own country, the United States shows that our relationship with England was in fact terribly damaging to our country.Even though there were good aspects to it as well, because our own industrialization of the building of the Great American Railroads, all of that was funded by British capital.So it's two sides of the same coin. But if you have a foreign country meddling in your affairs and doing things like causing secessions and civil wars, that's a very serious matter.So what would, what would Africa really be like? The narrative now is, well, look, it's in a hopeless condition.The dictators, genocides, wars, constant military coups, and so forth.And if the colonizing powers came back, maybe everything would be better and nicer.But it's not always in the interests of the colonizing powers to make everything nicer and better.And I guess that's what I'm saying. And I also would raise the question as to what extent, these troubles that we're having today are actually caused by covert interference, by the West and by the former colonial powers.And, I think in this case that we're talking about now with these former French colonies, there's some kind of psy-op going on where, for reasons, let's say reasons unknown.Whoever controls the political discourse on Twitter is pretending to be all excited about these military coups and pretending that it all has to do with some mass movement from the ground level of people who want to throw off the yoke of French colonialism. But the fact is, first of all, these countries, most of them have had many, many coups. It's not at all unusual. They're showing this map, they're saying, oh my gosh, six coups in three years. That's actually not so unusual, for those countries or others in Africa. And the other thing that's kind of weird about it is, are these really French colonies or former French colonies, or are they just nominally French colonies and actually some other countries among whom is Great Britain are actually calling the shots there. And so it gets into this, and so I guess on one level I'm saying yes it is it is simplistic if we assume that whatever the news tells us is correct that once upon a time there was colonial Africa then the colonial powers all left for some unstated reason, which is never really adequately explained. And then supposedly these African countries were on their own and then supposedly all hell broke loose and they all started killing and massacring each other. I think it probably is a little naïve to accept that narrative at face value. I am not at all convinced that that's exactly what happened.And what instead appears to have happened is that the old colonial system was replaced by a new colonial system, basically run by the United Nations system, and that these disorders were allowed to go on.And in fact, in some cases, encouraged to go on for all kinds of reasons.I'll give you one example. 
Yeah, give me an example and then I'll bring up another piece you had up, so go with your example.
One famous example, of course, was the Rwandan genocide in 1994, where now Rwanda was a French colony and, in fact, while the genocide was happening, there were French troops there who were supposedly trying to stop it, and they were very sharply criticized for being strangely ineffective in not being able to stop it, especially since they were modern troops with modern weaponry and these people who were committing the genocide were supposedly armed with only machetes.So there were questions about the French handling of it. But even beyond that, the result of this genocide was that Rwanda, was subsequently taken into the British Commonwealth.Whereas before it had been in the French sphere of influence.And the normal traditional rule of the Commonwealth is that countries who are admitted to it are supposed to be former British colonies, but Rwanda wasn't.It was taken as a special case because the French had supposedly done such a terrible job of not protecting their people that it passed into the proprietorship of Great Britain.And so, I'm not the only person who has to raise an eyebrow and ask the question, qui bono? I mean, if Rwanda passed from French control to British control, and if the pretext for that passage, was the Rwanda genocide, would it be out of line to ask, what caused the genocide in the first place?And to what extent was it possibly even instigated by some foreign power, as was the American Civil War, as we're now learning more than 150 years after the fact.So that's one example. I could give others, but you said you had a point you wanted to make.
Well, because you obviously, in a lot of the information you put out, you're talking about the intelligence services of the West and how they work behind the scenes.But then also there's the economic side.And this was, this is kind of the article I was touching on, let me bring up, this was a Daily Mail article, Recolonize Africa.And you said that it seems to be saying, and this is an old article, 2005, but it gives historical context once again, says it appears to say that Africa's become so violent and lawless that most African countries will welcome, kind of the West, colonial powers coming back in again. But then you mentioned the kind of colonial economic side, I think, when you look at the EU and how the EU keeps a lot of the countries poor through their tax and tariff systems is, yeah.I'm wondering where does, again, the fault lies at the economic side?Is it still the intelligence services working very much within those countries?Is it a mixture of those two?Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? 
Well, I would go so far as to say that I don't believe that the colonial powers of Europe specifically, ever let go of their colonies, especially France and Britain. I think they simply found a different way to administer them and actually a cheaper and more efficient way where they didn't have to physically occupy these countries anymore and they didn't have to be held responsible for things like mass murders and genocides and coups and so forth, that they could have a more rough and ready kind of environment and they didn't have to worry about looking good in the face of world opinion.So in some ways it's actually a better situation for them than the situation they had before where they really had to make everything look good because their flag was flying over these various countries and if they committed terrible atrocities or allowed atrocities to be committed there would be consequences. Other European countries would criticize them and would take advantage. And we see that, for example, in the ruckus that the British propagandists made at the turn of the century over the Belgian Congo, where terrible atrocities were committed by King Leopold II in thepush to harvest rubber, and he basically enslaved the whole people of the Congo and subjected them to terrible, inhumane practices.And the British, for their own reasons, made a huge, big deal about that.This was back in the turn of the century, of the 20th century, in the 1900s.And they made a huge ruckus about it and said, oh, how terrible, look how badly he's treating these people.The part of that story you never hear about is that the British themselves, British interests were heavily involved in the rubber trade in the Belgian Congo and were taking partin all of it.That part is never mentioned. Likewise, there was a similar ruckus in Peru, again over rubber harvesting.Now Peru was officially never anyone's colony since its independence from Spain, but in fact a lot of people don't know that the British basically exercised an informal control of Peru and some say that they still do to this day.And there was another big public relations ruckus over cruelties related to the rubber trade in Peru, which again British missionaries and human rights activists were leading.And it was somehow effectively concealed that the British themselves were deeply involved in committing these atrocities.So it's really a world of smoke and mirrors, where propaganda and psychological operations have really been part of the wholetoolkit of colonialism really since the very beginning, and I believe that the reason the British became the greatest and most successful colonizers in the world is specifically because they are the best propagandists and the best at psychological operations. They basically invented modern psyops, and they're the very best in that field to this day, and that's really what it's all about.It's all about how to do things in foreign countries without seeming to be doing them, or to blame other people for doing them, such as blaming King Leopold II of Belgium for all these atrocities, and he certainly was guilty of them, but leaving out the part that British financial interests were in there very heavily, helping him to commit them.So this continues to go on today, where we have now a very fluid situation, a neo-colonial situation, as the left, as the Marxists named it decades ago, where the colonial colonizing countries are still there, and they're still probably just as much in control as ever were, but no longer held responsible to keep order in the same way they used to be.So it's really kind of a better situation for them.They can get away with a lot more. Now in these, the interesting thing in that article by Andrew Roberts, the British historian, he wrote that article in 2005.A lot of people in our, as you pointed out, in our social media culture think 2005 was, you know, like the last millennium or something. But actually, it's very important to understand what was happening then because,what actually happened is that the EU was in the process then of setting up an elaborate neo-colonial structure which basically controls Africa to this day.And now I mentioned that in the original treaty of Rome setting up the EEC back in 1957, they already had a formal relationship with past and present colonies in Africa which they recognized in that treaty.They call it a special relationship.And in the 1990s, some strange things started to happen.Which is that as the EU became activated and the Maastricht Treaty and the Eurozone, and it started becoming a reality, this thing that people have been talking about since the 1890s and before, It started becoming a reality in the 90s and immediately the cry went up to form an African union.And there was a strategy developed called the Joint EU Africa Strategy.And the motto of this EU Africa group was one Europe, one Africa.And what they wanted was a United Europe dealing one-on-one with the United Africa.So they wouldn't, that is so the European countries would not have to negotiate separately with each little country in Africa.They would have one authority controlling the entire continent with whom they could make their deals and their treaties, whatever those were.So interestingly, Muammar Gaddafi, the late dictator or president of Libya.He came out in, I forget what year it was.It could have been, it was around 19, in the late 1990s, I think.He made a very controversial speech in Libya where he said that the Arab Maghreb Union was a farce.That now the Maghreb is basically all of North Africa except Egypt.And in 1989, I think they had come together to form a regional economic structure called the Arab Maghreb Union. And Gaddafi had been one of the leading people pushing that.It was actually his brainchild, supposedly. But then, I think it was 15 years later, he gave this speech saying, let me tell you the truth.The reason we formed this Maghreb Union was because the EU forced us to do it.They said, we're not going to do business with you anymore because it's too burdensome dealing with each country unless you, unless all the Maghreb countries of North Africa come together in a union, we're not going to even talk to you. So on that basis, Gaddafi got up in circa 1989, and using the language of third world-ism and the non-aligned movement and Arab nationalism.Said that what we need to do is form this union so we can all be strong, all us Arab-speaking countries in Africa together. But then 15 years later, he openly and publicly confessed actually the EU is the one who wanted us to get together, had nothing to do with Arab nationalism, and they basically forced us to do it. And so then he said, let's dissolve this union, let's get out of it.Oh, it was in 2003, I just remembered. It was in 2003, so this was post 9-1-1, it was after Afghanistan and Iraq had been invaded, so things weren't looking too good for Arab nationalism at that moment. And so Gaddafi, getting with the spirit of the time, said the Arabs are finished, they're a laughingstock, and we want nothing to do with Arabs anymore, even though we're Arab speaking. We are now African. And then he came up with a new idea. Let's have an African union, he said. Now, actually, he had already proposed the African Union. It came into being in the year 2000, and supposedly Gaddafi was the one who thought of it and was the founding father of this African Union. But, you know, in 2003, he confessed that the last time he pulled that manoeuvre with the Arab Maghreb Union, it was the EU forcing him to do it.Should we imagine that on the second go-round with the African, that he suddenly became the third world Nationalist that he always claimed to be or was he simply like Scarlett O'Hara and all those southern planters in the United States in the antebellum South, was he simply, lining his own pockets by doing business with the colonizers and going where he thought the power was.Well, it looks like the latter.And that's how colonial elites work. You know, people are not that idealistic, unfortunately.I wish they were, but let's face it, they're not.You know, people will go where the money is, and that's just how it is.And so they formed this African Union to the cries from the EU of one Europe, one Africa, And they started signing all kinds of treaties and putting forth all kinds of policies that were completely mysterious and unknown to the African people who have enough of a struggle trying to get democratic government as it is.But now all of a sudden, whatever democratic structures had been set up at a national level in the individual countries had suddenly become obsolete because now the EU was talking directly to these officials in charge of this thing called the African Union.And the African Union was empowered to make treaties that could be enforced on all African countries. Imagine that.So, now that we've had the African Union since the year 2000.And one of its rules, supposedly, is that you're supposed to have free elections which are monitored by international authorities and absolutely no military coups.Military coups are strictly not allowed.And yet, since then, we've had the Arab Spring.These colour revolutions and civil wars in the Western powers, and now we're having these, continuing to have these coups, which everybody is cheering about on Twitter.All of this is supposedly, supposed to be impossible and illegal under the African Union and should trigger military interventions by the African Union.I think they call it the African Union Peace and Security, something or other, which basically mobilizes peacekeeping troops and also arranges to have European troops to come in, in order to fix problems, whatever they are.And so the mechanism actually exists in Africa probably better than anywhere else in the world where you have a transnational authority, the African Union, which actually has the real power and the real willingness to bring in heavy military force whenever they like, to stop things like military coups from happening, and yet they're still happening.Why is that? Why is that?I'll pick up on one thing as we finish. Realizing the Gaddafi started African Union changes my whole concept of it. That blows me away. But the fact that when you look at the EU, the EU, European Union, has been hugely successful at control within Europe economically.There are lots of questions that the EU has never been able to rise above and be a economic bloc, I guess, to rival the US, which was always the dream, probably, of the EU and the European Economic Community before that. But it's full control of EU members and if the EU can punish and has done with those in Eastern Europe for many violations on tax, on faith, on immigration.But the African Union, you don't hear of it as having that much say or power.It hasn't brought together those countries.Can we just finish just maybe touching on that, that kind of comparison between one bloc in Europe that has worked certainly for control, the African Union, is that by design or are there other reasons behind that?
Well, I think it's by design that the African Union is weak. Is that what you're saying?That it really doesn't exercise the authority it's supposed to. I think it's by design.I think it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to create a central authority for European powers, especially Great Britain, which really masterminded the whole thing, in my opinion.And if you, I would just like to leave your audience with one point, which, is that article you showed by Andrew Roberts, where he said it's time to to recolonize Africa. That was in 2005.That was right after Tony Blair had done his African, Africa commission and they had mapped out this whole plan for basically re-colonizing Africa through the African Union and through other regional structures.Now in that article, Andrews actually says, he actually states that the French and the Germans will not be allowed to re-colonize Africa, that only English speaking countries.He actually says the United States and Great Britain, and with the support of New Zealand, Canada, and Australia, will be the ones to make this happen.The French, because of their cruelty in the past and their mishandling of all kinds of colonial situations, will not be allowed to have anything to do with it, nor will the Germans, because look what they did when they were colonialists back before World War I.You think 2005 was a long, long time ago, but he, Roberts actually evoked what the Germans did before World War I as a reason why they will not be allowed to take part in this great project of colonizing Africa.So now all of a sudden we're getting all this propaganda from Giorgia Meloni of Italy and from big influencers like Ian Miles Cheong.I don't mean to single him out, but he wrote this extraordinary tweet saying, yes, the people of West Africa are rising up against French colonialism.We're going towards a multipolar world. Hooray. Some words to that effect.He linked it to the whole idea of multi-polarism.And what is that all about? That's about overthrowing the global hegemon, the USA, which is supposedly the cause of all evil in the world.Overthrowing the USA, stripping us of our power, so then power can be decentralized among various countries. And so certain influencers such as Ian Miles Cheong is out there celebrating and saying, yes, out with the French, out with the French. Is it just a coincidence that Andrew Roberts, when he first publicized this recolonization plan, he expressly said the French are out.We will not allow the French to take part in this now, all of a sudden, so many years later we're hearing that cry again that the French are out. And some of these French countries, French colonies, so-called, one of them Guinea, maybe on another, we don't have time to talk about it now, but I have massive evidence that the British are really effectively in control in that country, Guinea, and running things in an extraordinary way, quite openly, including Rio Tinto, the mining company, the Anglo-Australian mining company, and Guinea has more than one half of the world's bauxite deposits, aluminium ore.And Rio Tinto has been trying to get in control of that, working with the Chinese.And it's interesting that, you know, the cry goes out, you know, from all the usual sources, the US State Department and what have you, oh the Chinese are taking over in Africa, that's one of the reasons why we have to go back in there and otherwise the Chinese are going to take over everything. But I notice whenever the British get involved with something, they somehow bring the Chinese with them. I'm not sure why they do that, but it's a little strange, what can I say?
Well, we'll leave it on a cliff-hanger, that, about the British involvement there, and we'll pick up on that. Richard, I really do appreciate coming on. As I said at the beginning, I love reading your tweets and how you expand on so much. So thank you for joining us today and going through that Africa tweet, which is one of your latest ones. Thank you for your time.
Thank you, Peter. Always a pleasure.

The Week According To . . . Caroline Farrow

Welcome to our weekend edition of free speech and straight talking as Caroline Farrow is back for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving her unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and what has caught her eye on social media.In the cross-hairs this episode......- Extraordinary case of a young woman suffering from Charlie Gard condition who is battling medics' attempts to 'condemn her to death'.- PETITION: ‘Let Me Live’ – stop hospital withdrawing treatment:  https://citizengo.org/en-gb/211802-19-year-old-girl-says-let-me-live-stop-hospital-withdrawing-treatment- Graham Linehan has been stopped from speaking at the Tory Party Conference by The Police because he stands up for women. - Gender neutral school uniforms are not neutral at all.- Woke police are damaging public trust: Home Secretary orders investigation into officers ‘pandering to politically correct causes’. - 'Hate Speech’ laws threaten fundamental rights.- Paedophile changes gender and avoids prison.- AB 957: California has gone full-blown loco! They’ve passed a bill that could snatch your kids right out of your hands if you don’t bow down to their gender-transition agenda.- Why the Online Safety Bill remains a huge threat to London life.- Energy bill authorises “Reasonable Force” to install smart meters that allow authorities to turn customers’ energy on and off.- Lolz: 510 ULEZ camera related crimes in just five months says Met Police.
In 2010, frustrated by many of the media headlines and negative coverage of Catholicism, Caroline began a blog in defence of Catholic teaching and to reflect on UK current affairs and world events through the lens of a Catholic woman. What began as nothing more than personal musings designed to explain and propose controversial ethics and life issues to those who had struggled with them, or to de-bunk misleading narratives and headlines, soon mushroomed and popular posts would receive more than 30,000 unique visitors a day. Between 2011 and 2017, she was a member of the organisation Catholic Voices, set up to promote the defence of Catholic teaching in the public square and made numerous media interventions on their behalf and quickly became the 'go to' voice for media organisations looking to represent a female conservative Catholic point of view. Caroline has an eclectic career background. She began her professional life as a student accountant for a big 5 firm before succumbing to a desire for travel and adventure and became a member of cabin crew working both long and short-haul routes for internationally acclaimed airlines. Having got the travel bug out of her system, she returned to work within investment banking and private equity in the City of London until her first child was born. Caroline is currently the campaign director at CitizenGO, has 5 children of school-age, four girls and one boy and is married to a Catholic priest who converted from Anglicanism, a few years after they were married.
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Originally broadcast live 9.9.23
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Jake Lang - J6 Prisoners Battle for Freedom Heading to the Supreme Court for the First Time

Show notes and Transcript
Jake Lang joins us once again from his DC prison cell. He is being held for his crime of being at Capital Hill on January 6th 2021 and like many of his fellow prisoners he has suffered many months of solitary confinement. In the last few weeks Jake and a group of fellow prisoners have submitted an application for their case to be heard at the Supreme Court. This is a huge breakthrough and could be a gamechanger for the hundreds of individuals held without trial. The system fears the J6 prisoners not because they are violent or have done anything wrong but because they love their country and their President, Donald J Trump. Jake shares how the public can financially support him and the many others through J6legal.org and through prayer. One thing that stands out in this interview is Jakes strong faith and resolve and how that has kept him going.
Political prisoner Jake Lang is serving time in Washington DC for his actions on January 6th.Jake, a Jewish Trump supporter, has been held without trial and abused in the DC Gitmo for over a year and a half.He was trampled when Capitol Police attacked and then without warning pushed Trump supporters down the stairs outside the US Capitol in Washington DC.Jake was buried under several people when the Capitol police continued to push protesters on top of him.He was next to Rosanne Boyland who was trampled as the police pushed Trump protesters on top of her.Jake saw Rosanne die.He also saw Philip Anderson’s limp body that was lying next to Rosanne as the DC Police continued to beat, push and pepper spray the protesters on the ground.That’s when Jake decided to take action.Being a former wrestler, he was able to save himself and then he pulled Philip to safety.His rescue of Mr Anderson was caught on video, The entire time he was pulling him to safety the police continued to strike protesters with sticks and attack them with pepper spray.Jake saved Philip Anderson’s life.Then he went back and confronted the police who were still attacking the Trump supporters.It should be noted that the Trump crowd was entirely peaceful until the Capitol Police decided to fire flash grenades on the men, women, children and seniors who had gathered outside the US Capitol.
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Interview recorded 6.9.23
 
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Jake Lang, who rejoins us.He was with us last year and he joined us to discuss an update.He, of course, one of the J6ers incarcerated. He joined us from his cell in D.C.And he shares a big move in the right direction, which is an application that is being submitted at the Supreme Court for them to be involved in this.No one is really wanting to be involved with the J6ers. the hundreds and hundreds of individuals who have been locked away with no access to justice.And Jake joins us to talk about their trials, talk about his faith, which has kept him strong through this.The engagement with the prison officers, with other prisoners and how the Republican Party have really done little to help them and just want the J6ers to be swept under the carpet as a problem.They hope to go away.But he talks about their legal fund, J6legal.org, and also shares how you can remember them if you're a Christian in prayer.
Jake Lang, it is wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for joining Hearts of Oak today.
(Jake Lang)
My brother, thank you for having me on. God bless you guys.God bless you. And I want to actually touch on your faith, which I think gives you strength.And as a Christian, I am encouraged that you are holding fast to God. But let's take slightly back. Can you give us an update? We spoke last year and it seems to be that it's been chaos has suddenly opened up in regards to those who have been held for J6. So what is your current situation, Jake?So, Peter, I have been held as a political prisoner in the United States of America.I'm actually in Washington, D.C. jail right now, about five miles from the United States Capitol.I've been held here for almost 1,000 days now. It's about day 972, I believe, without a trial here in America for my actions, for my patriotic stand that I took on January 6th at the United States Capitol to help protest a stolen election that the Democrats orchestrated against our then sitting President Donald Trump.It was like a communist coup d'état.Joe Biden, a puppet regime leader bought and paid for by China, was installed as our president.And since then, his Department of Justice, his FBI agents have wreaked havoc on America, arresting thousands of other patriots and just hard-working, regular, everyday Americans for their protest on January 6th as well.So it's, I mean, it's one of the most incredible situations.You know, America's always pointed out other countries for, you know, how they arrest their political opponents and keep them in these gulag-like conditions and solitary confinement and torture them.Now here we are in 2021 to 2023, nearly three years now, I've been held as a political prisoner here in America.It's quite disheartening and saddening, but like you mentioned, we know God has a plan.
Amen. Can I ask you, when we spoke, you shared that you were held in solitary confinement for some of that time without access to actual people.What is the current situation like and just can you remind our viewers what that was like.Yeah, so the current situation, right now I'm in Washington, D.C. jail.Before I spoke to you, I was across the Potomac River in Alexandria, Virginia, in a solitary confinement holding area over there.For six months, they had me.So at the last about 33, 34 months, I've been incarcerated. About 20 of those months have been in legitimate solitary confinement conditions where I'm I'm in my cell 22 hours a day, no human contact, rarely get to go outside, just a deprivation of humanity, what human beings' rights are afforded.I know there in Great Britain and in the UK especially, you guys really have a different standard when it comes to incarceration and the rights that are afforded to people who have made mistakes.Unlike me, just being a patriot first of all and second of all pre-trial detainee who has not been convicted of any crime. I was tortured as well as many other Jan Sixers with this 22 hours a day inside your cell only sometimes it was even 23 hours a day or more and even locked in our cell for weeks at a time for refusing to take COVID tests and you know once every three or four days afforded, you know, a 10 minute shower.So I mean, it was definitely, it was definitely a trying time, persecution at the highest degree for political opponents, for Christians and conservatives here in America.This is what the Biden regime, Joe Biden, the death and the progressive ultra liberal Democrats really represent here.They want to torture, you know, red blooded, good hearted, everyday American citizens. and they did just that to me.I am in prison. I'm in the January 6th Patriot Pod right now, Peter, which is about 40 other January 6ers here with me.The conditions are a little bit better. We're still definitely not being treated as humanely as many other prisoners across the country. There's still a huge political bias and the restrictions they have on us.But we're together at least. It's a group, it's a family. all the Jan 6 Patriots, we pray together, we make meals together, and we're in this battle together.So it's definitely a better environment than solitary confinement, but far cry from what's humane.
Jake, you mentioned you're in prison in Alexandria and then over in DC.I was just literally back just days ago from being in DC and Alexandria.And it's amazing, you walk around and you wouldn't know that there are many people like you who are locked away.I think the Democrats, the system has done a great job in trying to hide away what they have done.Yeah, that's a great point. I guess we're like hidden right here in plain sight. We're, you know, just a few miles away from the United States Capitol. Outside my small little cell window, I can see, you know, normal everyday life carry on. For me, it seems like such another reality. I mean, being here for two years and nine months now, and growing accustomed to, you know, the prison lifestyle. I've been moved to 13 different prisons, 13 different locations since I was arrested 10 days after January 6, 2021. And, you know, this new world I've had to adjust to is very different, you know. When I'm not in the Jan 6 Patriot Pod, when I'm in a general population, you know, with other actual criminals and convicted felons and very dangerous people. You have to really adjust and it's a whole different way of lifestyle. You're up, you know, as soon as the doors crack open, you're up at 6 a.m., you got to have your shoes tied on tight, you get out of your cell, you're working out, you're, you know, watching your back, you're taking your shoes with you to the shower, you're not getting caught in your cell alone, you know, and you have to maintain your integrity and maintain your Christian walk of faith and, you know, God has supported and helped keep me safe through all of this, baptizing people in the name of his son Jesus Christ.Baptized eight men so far since I've been locked up, every single one of them awesome guys and leading Bible studies and just trying to walk this this walk of persecution without jeopardizing my moral fibre and my integrity and becoming some kind of, you know, encaged animal like they're trying to make us, you know, prison kind of changes people, but you have to walk with Christ or else you will be totally drowned in the violence and the horrible atmosphere that is prison, and you will be changed.Permanently. 
Your story kind of reminds me a little bit of Paul and Silas whenever they were, imprisoned through no wrong of their own. That was simply for evangelism. You've been imprisoned for something which seems nothing. But again, you touched on your Christian faith. Can I ask you just once again, you mentioned praying with other prisoners, baptisms. Your faith has not been diminished since you've been in jail. That's what I'm hearing from you.No, not, I mean, that is the understatement of the century. My relationship with Jesus Christ, my closeness with God's Holy Spirit, and my just absolute reverence and love of God in all ways, shapes, and forms has grown tremendously.That silent, reflective time that you are forced to have when you're alone in your cell with the Bible and with God and with prayer and with fasting and with worship, that time that you spend getting to know Him and revealing yourself to Him and having Him reveal Himself to you is indescribable.The fellowship and the relationship, closeness and intimacy is the greatest gifts of my entire life.What the devil intended to destroy me and destroy a lot of the other January 6th political prisoners, has in fact lifted us up and increased our faith and made us grow much stronger in the Lord and turned us into men of really resound conviction that does not falter or fade or tremble at all throughout this entire process.I've never had a single bad night, a night where I cried myself to sleep, I've never had any of that. The prosecutors in Washington DC Department of Justice, they want to try to destroy and break men and destroy their families and keep them away from their wives and their kids and you know mortgaged houses and impounded cars, butthrough all this, we know that we're serving a purpose, that God is not a God of random chance, that He is a God of orchestrated, divine purposes, and that we are serving Him, and that being persecuted for righteousness' sake is one of the greatest graces that you could ever, ever have in God's kingdom. And I'm really grateful for God for choosing me for this battle.Praise His name. 
Amen, he has given you strength to endure. Can I ask you, some people may look at you and think, well there's Jake, he was an activist, he was involved politically and he deserves some of it, but when I've talked to many people who were there, they simply were, they went because they wanted to see what was happening, they wanted to take pictures out of curiosity because they were patriots. It wasn't any intention of anything past patriotism.You're just a normal, regular guy. That's kind of what I read about you.Yeah, well, I mean, that's the beauty of January 6th, was it was a million unarmed American civilians simply there to support President Trump and maintain the integrity of our election saying that we do not stand, we do not consent to this stolen election.It was rigged.You know, there's no way possible that Joe Biden got 80 million votes, 10 more million votes than Obama, who is by far like the most superstar politician that the Democrats have ever had.There's 0% chance that Joe Biden got, you know, 10 million more votes than Obama.So we were there just, you know, I was there in a business shirt.I had slacks on I was in New York City the night before where I live at a business meeting at a very important business meeting that I had. I'm an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur people there the guys that I'm locked up with.A majority of them are veterans, Marine Corps, Air Force, Navy, these guys are, I mean, the salt of the earth, they're electricians, plumbers, carpenters, roofers, school bus drivers, teachers, I mean, you name it, these are not, you know, this is not some type of organized, you know, professional lobbyists or politicians or whatever, these are the heart and soul of America that's been locked up and been caught up in this.And that was one of the beautiful things about January 6th, was the diversity and the wholesomeness and the humble, just regular everyday citizens that showed up to defend our country, not with any violent means, but with peacefully protesting.And as the world well knows now and is learning every day, the Capitol Police launched a vicious attack on us. They murdered four unarmed American citizens. None of the Capitol Police died that day. There were very little injuries. They really used all these chemical weapons on us. Rubber bullets, steel batons, riot shields, chemical sprays, and tear gas, and all kinds of stuff on just a peaceful crowd. And they riled it up into what you guys saw.Instead of backing down, we did as, you know, Americans do, 1776, revolutionary. We didn't back down.We held our ground, and we actually made sure that we took them packing and running and hiding.When they tried to come after us and kill us, we sent them running for the hill, which I think was a symbol that the American people and that the world should look at and see that the American people are still strong.We won't back down to tyranny.I don't like to point fingers, but certainly from this side of the Atlantic, from my uninformed position, I feel as though the J6ers have been not necessarily abandoned, but it's not a topic that the Republican Party conservatives want to engage in. They're busy doing other things, and, what you're facing is an anomaly, something difficult that they just want to brush under the carpet. What kind of support have you had from conservatives over there in the US?
Well, the everyday American conservative, I mean, the support of the January Sixers can never be understated. We've received tens of thousands of, personally myself, I've received nearly 10,000 letters since I've been locked up. We, you know, have prayer groups that go on every night at 9pm.We have donations raising fundraising things, happening for us that are just outstanding the way that people show their love and support and if anybody listening actually wants to support all the January Sixers in our legal battles I started a legal fund that's helped out of dozens of Jan Sixers and hundreds of families so you guys want to support that just go to J6legal.org that's the letter J number six legal org and you guys can help out there but more to the point of your question, which was, what about the establishment?What about the mainstream media? What about the congressmen and women, the senators, and the people that actually have power?You're completely right in your assessment, Peter, that they have kind of tried to just brush it underneath the carpet and not talk about it as much.For example, yesterday, Enrique Tarrio, the chairman of the Proud Boys, got sentenced to 22 years in federal prison.That is 22 years, Peter. That is very serious time.That is what rapists and murderers, some of them don't even get that much time at all.And it's absolutely egregious. And if we really had a real conservative, real patriot Republican Party, which has been infected with a lot of half-hearted constitutionalists and people that just are going along to get along to Washington, D.C.If we had a real Republican Party, there would be 100,000 people outside D.C. jail today protesting with senators and congressmen here that represent us and the districts that we're from, all these American citizens.But they really have just fallen so short. It's so pathetic when you think about it.Their stand on this because, you know, I think the everyday American, we have tens of millions of supporters want to see so much more from our congressmen, especially those who have platformed and campaigned underneath Trump.We're Trump supporters. Trump speaks about us often.Where are the people that are currently sitting in power? Where are they helping us out? They're not.Tell us again, at j6legal.org, people can go and fund your fight. Is that, the support you've had from the public, those small donations, is that how you've been able to actually fight against system? Because a legal battle in the UK is expensive and in the US is even more expensive. So tell us more about how people can support you and your fight.
Yes, so the J6legal.org organization that I put together is 100% transparent.I run it here from my prison cell with a handful of volunteers on the outside that are just awesome people.And we do some hard-nosed negotiating with the attorneys here in Washington, D.C.We find some that lean more conservative and are more willing to help us out.And we're retaining attorneys to go to trial to negotiate plea deals in some cases, to do appeal cases because a lot of people have lost or taken pleas and they're not satisfied so we're you know we're helping out people, we've currently pretty much run dry of our funds we've helped out I think about 17 or 18 total January Sixers retain attorneys, fight their legal battles and stuff with the money we've raised and we definitely are in another season right now where we're relying on the people of the world, American people our brothers and sisters across the pond in the UK to help us out.So whatever God puts on your heart to support the brave January 6th patriots who stood up to defend the Constitution of America, to defend freedom worldwide, as America goes, so the world goes, please go to J6Legal.org.
(Prison Phone)
You have one minute remaining.As you said, Peter, it's definitely not a cheap fight, it's expensive, lawyers cost money, things cost money, and we're doing the right things with it.And, you know, it's run by a Jan sixer for the Jan sixer. So definitely the best place you could put your money if you're looking to help the January six Patriots.Thank you for bringing that up.
Jake, you mentioned J6Legal.org, how individuals can help you across the country, and I looked up the GiveSendGo part of the website, and people giving twenty five, fifty, a hundred, two hundred pounds.It's that grassroots support. I'm assuming, and tell me if I'm wrong, that the Republican Party have not given you and the J6ers a blank cheque to fund your campaign? How have they financially supported you as a party?That has been non-existent, it's been disappointing knowing that these are supposed to be our representatives from our home states, people that we voted in, that our communities voted in into power, and to see their abandonment, it's been really sad.There's been very few that have the gall to stand up and to say, why is the FBI and the the Department of Justice and the federal prosecutor has been weaponized in a two-tier justice system.If you're a Republican or you're a conservative or you're a Trump supporter, you get these ridiculous prison sentences, these biased DC jury pools.You get basically railroaded through the court system. And if you're a Democrat and you've been rioting, you know, the Summer of Love, Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots, all 2020, and you've, you know, burned down federal courthouses or attack police officers out in the streets of Seattle, then you get just a community service desk ticket.And if you're a January 6th patriot, you get 10, 14, 18 years in prison.So it's been disappointing. The Republicans have fallen short of our expectations, but I think that this is going to be a huge rallying cry, especially now that President Donald Trump himself has been arrested for his involvement, I guess you could say, with January 6th.And he actually has got the same charge that I got, a 20 year maximum felony charge called obstruction of Congress that,It's very serious and he's facing that charge now. So I actually wanted to update the audience about some Supreme Court action, the highest court of the land that is revolving around me and Donald Trump right now. I filed in the Supreme Court, Peter. 
Yes, tell us more about that, because we've seen Enrique Tarrio who obviously with his 22 year sentence, we've seen President Trump being indicted time after time again. Tell us about this Supreme Court, because that is a move forward, because I see it that many of you have been stuck in the system.And tell us more about the Supreme Court.So, no problem. Yeah. So basically just about two months ago now, my team, my legal team put together by the J6 legal fund, was able to file a certification letter, it's called, but it's just basically a legal filing to the Supreme Court on this obstruction of Congress charge.And what the filing really focused on is that the law code is being perverted and obfuscated and very widely, broadly used, basically, this particular law code, the 1512, and many others, to persecute the political opponents of the Democrat Party.And basically, you know, they have weaponized the law and used it to try to smash and quell and threaten and coerce and imprison Republicans and Trump supporters.And that is kind of like a hallmark of a third world court system, of a kangaroo court.It doesn't happen in America. When one political party comes into power in, let's say, Lebanon or Sudan or something like that, the first thing they do is they start to imprison and wipe out all of the former political party leaders and supporters.And that's exactly what's happening in America right now, and that's so un-American.We're supposed to have a healthy political system here, that when one party's in power they don't use their power to persecute the other party.And that's what we're seeing happen to our law code. So that's what the Supreme Court filing is really asking our judicial branch to work out here.Like, we need you to step in to basically stop this ridiculous persecution that the Democrats and the executive branch are using to persecute Donald Trump supporters.And Peter, this could be, this is probably the largest Supreme Court filing in recent memory because if we win in Supreme Court. And we get this obstruction of Congress charge dropped, what they've charged hundreds of Americans with that are currently sitting in prison during prison time for, and they charged Donald Trump with, it could be a massive clearinghouse for all the January 6th defendants that are sitting in prison, and also keep Donald Trump himself out of prison by dropping his charge that we win in Supreme Court.So this is huge, the political implications are massive, and it couldn't come at a more, ripe time because the 2024 elections are right around the corner.And you know if Trump is imprisoned while trying to run a campaign that's not going to be good for the Jan Sixers or for this country. We need Trump back in office badly. 
100% and the more they hit him the more popular he becomes and I kind of always thought what you're facing and the rest of you in jail, it would need Trump getting back in to the White House and that is what 18 months away, 16 months, if God allows that to happen if the establishment let happen, but this Supreme Court seems to be a step forward and to me that's why it's exciting because it seems to be there is hope before Trump could get back into the White House. 
Yeah God willing you know we're the first chance 16 to push our case up to Supreme Court. It's no small feat to file your case in Supreme Court. It took a large legal team and it is very complicated, but you know, very blessed by God to have the opportunity to stand and fight for the guys. And you know, what is now a conservative-leaning Supreme Court, which is to our advantage now. They struck down Roe v. Wade, the abortion act...So, you know, we have a big blessing coming our way if God sees fit to grace us with his favour on this. That'll be huge.And, you know, my guys in here, we're very excited for it because it's been mostly just one bad case after another with, you know, going to trial in Washington, D.C.These juries here, you know, 96% of D.C. residents voted Democrat in the last election, in the election before. And they hate January 6ers, they hate Donald Trump, and when they get into a courtroom to try to judge us fairly, it's anything but fair.Everybody's just been found guilty on all charges, and it's just like a Soviet style like show trial. You're guilty before you even walk in the courtroom. So, hopefully we get a win in a real courtroom that's not, you know, been tainted by this, you know, hatred for Trump, the Trump derangement syndrome they call it here in America. 
Oh yeah it's it's alive and well and what you embody not only in the J6 prisoners but in MAGA itself is a patriotism and a love of country that goes against the establishment. But can I ask you about in prison those working there, prison officers and others, even if the prison officers are 100% Democrat and hate Trump, hate you all, yet they get to see you and they realize you're just human beings, that you're not angry, you don't hate.What has that been like actually being there and the connections with those who work there?It's been really spotty, and what I mean by that is I've had some amazing fellowship with some Christian guards, reading them the Bible, praying with them, and even some that are not American nationals either.In Washington, D.C., about 50% or more of our prison guards are from Nigeria and Sierra Leone, and they're foreigners that have come to America for a better way of life, to become something greater, They've ended up working in the Department of Corrections here, and they have a lot of respect for us and they're great people, God bless most of them. They've been fantastic to us, but then you have this other side. You have a lot of the Washington DC residential guard.That they have such a bias against Donald Trump that they actually kind of make it their goal to torture us and you know be just overbearing and relentless in you know, enforcing small bits of the code and you know locking us down and making sure this and that happens and it's definitely, they try to get underneath our skin so we've and and DC jail in general the Washington DC jail we've been at war with them politically speaking we have a protest outside the DC jail that's been going on for over a year, every single night.We've gotten deputy wardens fired. We've gotten the department heads fired here.We've gone absolutely, we've even had congressmen, a few of them, rarely come and visit us here.Marjorie Taylor Greene and former congressman Louie Gohmert.And it's been a battle, but you just, they can't deny our character.We do not have fights in the pod for the most part. I mean, compared to DC jail where multiple people usually die of stabbings per year on the other side of DC jail, our unit itself, there's no drugs, there's no nonsense.Everybody, you know, we have large Bible studies and prayer groups where you can tell that this is, I mean, a much different jail environment than anywhere else in America, by far, it's peaceful.We love one another.We all get along and you know, the normal jailhouse scenario is just non-existent here because we live to a much higher degree, our character, what we represent as conservative, strong family values matter to us and we live out that way every day.
So, Jake, unless there's something else specific you want to share, I just want to finish off obviously with helping you with the finances, j6legal.org, and also prayer.Maybe you'd like to let the viewers and listeners know how they can pray for you and your fellow inmates.100% Yeah, just the last thing. Just been so graced by God to have a voice in this movement and the voice for the over a thousand political prisoners now locked up. If anybody wants to really stay in tuned and in touch with the January 6th movement I currently run a podcast live from prison with the gateway pundit and Jim Hoff. He's been awesome to me and to the Jan 6ers. And we have new episodes out every week if you guys want to go and follow the political prisoner podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify just type in Jake Lang into the search bar there and you can follow and subscribe and listen.It's been a great way to get our voice out. I had on general Flynn who is a former four-star general in America. That's been a huge political leader then that one episode got way over 150,000 views. So my podcast has actually grown to be one of the leading, like, top ten conservative podcasts in the country.So that's been a blessing, and if people really want to get involved and understand the plight of the January 6th political prisoner, definitely that's a great resource to check out. So thank you guys for, you know, checking that out and helping us out financially too.The donations matter so much to these families. People have, basically all these guys are the breadwinners.They all have wives and kids at home.And when they've been ripped out of their homes for years, the wives and the kids have struggled.They can't afford lawyers, they can't afford their mortgages and stuff.So every single little bit really matters to us.And we appreciate you guys for going to j6legal.org and making donations.That's really awesome.And God bless you for that. But more than anything, we need is prayer, right, Peter?I mean, everything that happens on this world, in this world is orchestrated by God and through the heavenly realms, the angels that are fighting for us every day.So we need to lift up each other in prayer to shift the atmosphere and to change it in our faith.
(Prison Phone)
You have one minute remaining.So please pray for us.We are really grateful for the prayers, the families that have been destroyed by this political persecution are appreciative of your spiritual, financial, every single type of support.So love you guys across the pond. Bunch of brothers and sisters over there in the UK that write us letters.Shout out to the UK patriots that love Donald Trump and love freedom and liberty.We love you guys too.Thank you so much, Peter, for having me on, brother. 
Thank you, Jake.Be praying for that Supreme Court to make a proper decision. So we will. I will, and I encourage our viewers to keep you held up in our prayers. So thank you for joining us, Jake.
Amen. God bless.

Lisa Dunnington - The Peoples Health Alliance & My Medical Choice: Restoring Medical Control Back to the Public

Show notes and Transcript
We are joined this episode by Lisa Dunnington who is one of the founders of The Peoples Health Alliance and she is here to discuss 'My Medical Choice' which is a new initiative that aims to provide a comprehensive emergency medical alert system and more. Do you have medical conditions, allergies, and/or take drugs that may interfere with emergency treatment or surgery? Do you worry about what would happen if you or a family member were unconscious and unable to discuss treatment options? Do you want to protect you and your family from unwanted medical procedures, including blood transfusions & vaccinations, in case of an emergency or accident? Tune in to understand how 'My Medical Choice' can protect you & your loved ones in these times of medical tyranny & misinformation.The annual membership is £25 but you can receive a 20% discount off your 1st year using the code PHAMMC.
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Interview recorded  17.8.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Lisa Dunnington. She is co-founder of PHA, People's Health Alliance, and we've had Catherine Macbean on before, who is the other founder. But Lisa joins us to discuss My Medical Choice, and this is something that has been set up to make sure your medical wishes are respected and they are down on file. Many of us no longer trust our health system, our NHS. Many people are afraid to even go and see their doctor because they don't know what will happen there. And this, as Lisa says, provides the ultimate insurance policy. It provides an emergency medical alert system, whereby if you're in an accident, an emergency, your wishes are already down there and they must be followed, and also the safe blood system.It is wonderful to have you with us. Thank you so much for joining us today.
(Lisa Dunnington)
Thank you for having me. I'm honoured to be here.
Not at all. We're doing this probably a few days before, and obviously Lisa, co-founder of PHA, People's Health Alliance, and that's the website there, the-pha.org, and she's a chartered accountant by profession and we're going to get into My Medical Choice.But before we do that, Lisa, could I ask you to take a moment and introduce yourself and then what kind of led you up to the point of deciding that something like PHA was needed?
Oh, that's a good question. It's funny, isn't it? You look back on the last three and a a half years and go, blimey, did that all really happen? And in some respects, it's gone so fast. But then in others, I kind of have to keep going, OK, was that 20 or 21? And, you know, so it's been quite the journey for us all, hasn't it? I am, as you say, by trade, I'm a chartered accountant, I've had a long career, corporate career, which has taken me around the world and seen lots of things and but all very corporate.So quite a contrast to where I'm at now. So the, a little bit of background on my mental health, which was affected after I had my second child, my son, who's now nearly 18, but I was diagnosed with postnatal depression at that point. So I ended up on antidepressants for 13 years. So I know we're going to touch on mental health later, but it, really opened up my eyes when I stumbled across CBD probably about five years ago and managed to understand the benefits that it gave me and I weaned myself off the antidepressants. It's only then that you kind of look back and go, whoa, they just dumbed me down for 13 years. You know, I was trying to get through raising two young children, et cetera, and that was one of the coping mechanisms. I'm the only one that was presented to me by my doctor. So this is the relevance really to how I've ended up where I am, I guess. So that was the start of my awakening, because it really was an awakening from being dumbed down. I think I'd always been, prior to to that quite spiritual, but I kind of lost that and did all the other stuff that raising the children, et cetera.So then woke up again and that just led, as soon as the pandemic hit, day one, no, sorry.I'm not buying any of that. We were actually in Australia in the Christmas, new year of 2019.So it was already over there then, well, we have the crazy forest fires in Sydney that were going on.
I'm glad you got back. 
I know, can you imagine? Oh my God, I can't imagine the worst place in the world to be, but the rumblings had already started over that side of the world and I'm thinking, nah, I'm not having any of that, that's nonsense.Got home and then obviously by March 2020, it had really come to fruition here, but never bought into it from day one. So my focus from that point on was my children.I've got two children still in school and I just knew I had to protect them, and all our children.It's always been about the kids for me. So I was joining different groups.I was helping to send letters out to schools and doctor surgeries and about masks and all that kind of stuff.We went through it all, didn't we? So that was my way of, I guess, coping, which with what I could see was so clearly, something that had been created for a different purpose.So, yeah, I just had to cope with it that way and try and help my children as best as I could.By doing that and doing different, joining different groups, I eventually, probably in, I think it was December 21, came across Amanda and Katherine, and we all shared the same vision.We knew that the NHS was clearly failing and we needed to do something about it, especially as they were now talking about, mandating certain things for NHS staff and they were leaving in their droves and it just became such an issue, didn't it, that we could see what was coming. So a few of us got together, we all had the same vision and we wanted to create that backup to the failing NHS and also to bring it back to community. We need to bring things back to community, decentralise and, just, give people their power back. It was about that. It was about educating people.Giving them the power back and giving them a fully integrated, integrative approach to healthcare. So holistic and allopathic. So that's how we launched and we launched in April 22.So it's coming up to 18 months, I guess, or it's 15, 16 months now.And it's just been incredible. Sorry, I'm going on a bit, aren't I? So that's how I ended up doing, how I ended up being involved in the People's Health Alliance.
Because a lot of people, I guess, and I get you the whole thing with kids, my two boys, and I'm thinking, well, how do they grow up? It's one thing if you're kind of alone doing your own thing but you've got responsibilities and you think how does this affect them but I guess many people certainly when I had conversations say something needs to be done on many areas and, many people thought something should be done, very few people actually do something and what the PHA,It's something that's so needed especially with the absolute mistrust of our government our health system, our food system, our everything, and I kind of was concerned that nothing would happen in the UK, that it would be the Americans that would have the money and the drive to start something and poor us in Blighty would be left behind. But what you've built is essential and important. So, I mean, just, again, we've had Katherine on before and talking about the PHA, but remind people what the PHA is and then we'll jump on to and talk about My Medical Choice.Yeah, so the People's Health Alliance, our vision was to, as I say, bring an integrative healthcare service at community level and empower people to take that responsibility for their healthcare decisions and that's the thing. People have given away their power And My Medical Choice is very similar.It's to educate. So what we do is we educate, we facilitate, and we collaborate with other great grassroots movements that do wonderful things.So it's about empowering the individual to decide, OK, if I go to my doctor, he's going to tell me to take this.And then I'll take something else for the side effects of that.And before you know it, you're on a whole cocktail of pharmaceuticals.So this just gives different options. And we do, in terms of education, we have workshops.We bring together different practitioners who may have a different view on a malady, but we bring everybody together to discuss different options, and then people can choose.And whatever resonates with them, they can then look into in more detail.But, it's making people aware that they do have choices and they do have rights.People don't understand their medical rights, bodily autonomy. So that's why we're so aligned with My Medical Choice. And you know, you're right, there's all different areas to this, because it is all about community. If we don't do it at a community level, we can't make it happen. It needs to decentralize. But we are now becoming the People's Alliance.So six months after the People's Health Alliance, we launched the People's Food and Farming Alliance.Next, we're looking at education. It's the whole package, everything that the community needs.But we need to give it back to people to return the power back to the communities, so that they can address the needs of the people in their community.Because we don't know. We can provide platforms. we can provide blueprints, et cetera, to help people get started.But I think you're right. People have wanted to do this for a long time.And that became so clear when Katherine did the first interview in June 22, I think it was, just three months after we launched with Pam Gregory.That went overnight. PHA just became an international thing.And it was like, it literally just exploded. So we now have PHA in six different continents, you know, and things are really driving forward in Australia, New Zealand.We're really getting going in the US, but what surprised us with the US, and you mentioned that, you thought they'd be driving this.We struggle because I think that the mentality there is to hold on to things. No, that's mine. I came up with that.Whereas what we do is we share everything freely. It's our strapline for the people by the people, and it truly is.But after that Pam Gregory interview, we got so many emails.I mean, hundreds and hundreds of people all around the world saying, this is something I've wanted to do for 20 years.I've seen that this is what we need.Thank you for making it happen. And that's what happens. We've not done anything. We've just started that ball rolling and brought people together and it's working fantastically and people really are taking responsibility now. So yeah, it's exciting.
Let's go on to My Medical Choice. There is the website. I guess for me, it took maybe six weeks or so to waken up, whenever it all first happened.There was a level, and I think most Brits have a level of trust in our institutions.I mean, talk to someone who's been through communism, it's very different, but actually general trust in our institutions, that has disappeared.The last thing any of us want to do is go to your doctor. So tell us why My Medical Choice is needed.Kind of what gap does it fill?Do you know, for me, I actually found My Medical Choice pretty much as soon as they launched.It was around October 21.And for me, it was just the ultimate insurance policy because it gave me so much peace of mind.I mean, I didn't sleep much and I don't think many of us did, that were aware.Because of my children.And oh my gosh, what's gonna happen if something should, you know, we're in an accident or whatever. So when this came along, I just thought, this is it.This is the ultimate insurance policy.And we've now partnered with My Medical Choice and together we've taken it from where it was when it launched to really, it's the all singing, all dancing, best protection, I believe, that you can give to you and your loved ones.So it basically, it enables you to protect your bodily autonomy and it gives you the tools and the education to understand what your rights are, in terms of dealing with the NHS, et cetera.So there's really two parts to it.There's the emergency situation, I'm in a car crash, I can't speak for myself.They're going to take me into the hospital and do God knows what, which is what we all fear, isn't it? So what this does is it gives you a number of tools. First of all, you've got physical tools. You'll see here that we can see each other. I'm wearing this medical alert tag.It gives you a template where you can set up an advanced decision notice, which is like a living will, if you like. And in that, you can say, I don't want any blood transfusions, et cetera.No vaccinations of any kind.You can specify exactly what your choices are and what you do not, what you refuse to accept.So those are, and also we've just, we've just created this card, which goes in your wallet.So it's a no blood card and it has all your details so that first responders, A&E staff can quickly access it.So it's on your medical alert tag.It's on the card in your wallet.You can put a folded down copy of the advanced decision notice in your wallet also.And we've just got a screensaver as well for your phone.So if the worst happens, you can't speak for yourself, then first responders or A&E staff are going to see one of those things because they are trained and directed to always look for these things anyway.So those are the physical tools, if you like. And then,once you join, you can set up your own medical profile. So everything can go in there, what medications you are on, what conditions do you have, if you had any previous surgeries that might impact any treatment you've given, allergies, intolerances, et cetera.All of those things that will be useful to medical staff. The great thing about this, though, is as soon as an A&E or first responder accesses your profile on My Medical Choice, it sends an SMS alert to your emergency contact.So straight away, you're designated and you can have up to two.It may be an ex of kin, it may be an attorney that you've appointed for your lasting power of attorney.They understand your wishes and they can then take over and speak for you because you can't.So, from an emergency point of view, I just think it's absolutely amazing and such huge peace of mind for you.Also, not just in an emergency situation, if you have, if you've got to go and see a consultant and elect to have treatment for whatever reason, there's a really great package which provides you with lots of information to know your rights and also guides you in how to direct that consultation meeting.You know, because it must be quite daunting for people, especially people like us that are aware of the pitfalls, if you like.So it really empowers the individual to go armed with lots of knowledge.There's also, it can help you research alternatives to the procedures that they're gonna be offering you.Knowing your rights, because they like to keep these things quiet, that there are alternatives too.There are bloodless surgeries for example. So it's just empowering you to know what your rights are, go along, take some guidance in terms of how to deal with it and if it goes wrong we also have, can recommend advocacy services to help you along. So that's really that side of it.The other part which I think... 
Can I ask you incase before we went on to the blood system, In regards to an emergency, I think most of, most people living in the UK will think, well, the NHS is automatic and that's where you go and you do whatever happens and you pass yourself over into the hands of some strangers you've never come across before, but because they've done a TikTok dance they must be good. So, I mean, explain that because that kind of legal side, that right that the individual has because I think most of public don't really think they have any choice or rights. 
No, of course, but they do, and that's it isn't it, it's all about knowing your rights. So it does, it provides court-approved documents, your advanced decision notice and you can, it also gives you a letter, a template letter that you can send your ADN to your GP surgery so they know exactly what that is.On top of that, ADN, you've got your lasting power of attorney, again, a court approved document.So this must be adhered to.I'm not saying it always will be, because we know that people do things that they shouldn't do.But for me, that's the best protection you can have because you've got legal protection.You're also very well educated now in your rights because it's all given to you by My Medical Choice.And I think that's the best thing you can do. It's also empowering to be able to talk to a consultant and let them know that you know your rights probably better than they do, to be honest.So it's all about educating yourself, isn't it? because you are protected if you know how to use it.
And it's within the system because I think many of us thought, goodness we're gonna have to build a whole health system, how do we do that? But this is about protecting you, giving you rights within the system. 
Yeah absolutely, it's how to navigate the system safely and to respect yourself. And that like, that leads on very nicely I think to the safe blood system. It's a safe blood protection system. And I think when people first look at my medical choice, they think, Oh, brilliant, we've got an unvaccinated blood bank, and it's all going to be fine. It's nothing to do with that. This is about protecting yourself from unsafe blood. It's not about, you know, the safe blood bank. That's not going to happen. There's too many restrictions in this country. And even if it did, would you trust it? I wouldn't.Best will in the world, I'm telling you. There's no way I would take blood, probably, you know.And in My Medical Choice, one of the options within that safe blood protection system is that there is a database of people, My Medical Choice members, and you can join that. And you can say, well, you know, in the event I need blood, if you can match me to somebody, I personally wouldn't do that anyway, but it's there if people need it. But yeah, this safe blood protection system, it's all about avoiding blood, if you like. And it's for those that choose to reject NHS donated blood or blood related products, such as transfusions. So, you know, it's great.There are videos, there are blogs that educate you in these things and it's giving new options.Tell us about the, because I think some concern that we all have, as we've seen the last three and a half years, families ripped apart by the tyranny that we faced and maybe you would trust automatically someone in your family. But, this gives you, I think it was important to point out, the option of someone else being in charge, someone you trust who is awake and understands, because the last thing you want to is go through this, trust a next of kin, a close one, that as soon as you get wheeled into that hospital will be doing whatever the government think they should be doing or the latest BBC headline. 
Yeah and also you know, it's very true, you've got to be very careful I think with who you share your ADN with, you make sure it's somebody that you trust implicitly to follow your wishes, even if it doesn't go along with their wishes. You know, you may be next of kin and they don't want you to pass, but you've specifically said in that document, I don't want this, I don't want that. And there's a whole heap of things that you can look at. I've got a copy here.You know, you can say, I don't give permission to be on life support.I do not, I will not be given an organ transplant, for example.You know, skin and bone grafts, I won't be given stem cells.You've got all these choices, and this is quite a comprehensive template for you to choose, but it's so important, and it needs to be witnessed, and it has all your My Medical Choice details on there.It needs to be witnessed, but it's important that you make sure that your emergency contact that you're putting on there is fully aware that they're on there, and you don't just put your next of kin, because we've all done that, haven't we?We just go, yeah, next of kin, and then suddenly your husband's going, oh, what's this?What's this that I'm on?So you've got to have those very difficult discussions, but make it very clear that these are my wishes.So under no circumstances must they be overridden.If I cannot speak for myself.And the advanced decision notice and the lasting power of attorney do that.Now, it may be that your next of kin, if they understand, is on the ADN, but you have a different attorney appointed as your lasting power of attorney, for whatever reasons.But you've got to make sure that people know how important it is that they're adhering to your wishes.And they are legal documents, as I say.But it's difficult, isn't it? because that's it, if you're there and your next of kin is heartbroken and thinks that a blood transfusion might be good for you because they're not fully on board, then you've got to pick carefully, choose carefully, educate them at the same time as yourself and actually they'll probably join My Medical Choice as well if they're on the ball. 
I want talk about how people join it.But can I ask you first, for you, we've all had to reassess many of parts of our outlook over the last three, three and a half years. And this is an area, the medical side that, as again, I said before, people trust, people don't really understand. There's so many aspects of society we trust to the experts. You don't come from a medical background, so what was it like for you understanding what was available and what could be done? Because if you're a medical professional, you kind of automatically know it. You are someone who is not, and therefore you've had to walk through and understand what are the pitfalls and what is available or not. So what was that like for you personally? 
I think we've all become a lot more educated, haven't we, over the last three and a half years in medical health, how to keep ourselves healthy, what to avoid, because we are critical thinkers and that's why we could see what was happening. So I'm sure you're the same. I am so much more knowledgeable now and this isn't that complicated once you get your head around it and I think the way that the My Medical Choice team have put this together they have made it as simple as possible. It really is layman's terms. And so I didn't find it that difficult, but you need to invest a bit of time and really go through things. But that's why we've got videos to really cut things down on the website, make it easier to understand key things. But it's all there, but you do have to invest the time. So, and that's one of the reasons I did a public zoom a couple of weeks ago, about this, really just to break it down very simply into the key areas that it covers.And then I also did, I think you were on there, Peter, but I also did a walkthrough of the website. They have an amazing set of frequently asked questions on there. And really, We've all tried to think of absolutely everything, and I think that we've done a pretty good job of that. I think it covers very concisely and clearly everything we could think of. And we did open up to, Q&A at the end of the public Zoom, and I think I had one question, maybe, that was answered very quickly. So it is all there, and it is in layman's terms, it's easy to understand, and it's all set out really nicely for everybody too. But don't think I can just go on there and in 10 minutes I'm done. Like everything, you need to do your research, you need to put that time in and do your homework.And this will be, in my opinion, one of the best things that you can do for yourself and your family. 
Well let me bring up the website. There is, that's what you'll find on My Medical Choice.The FAQ section on the top. You've got join us. Now, what does it mean, join us? How do people become part of it? When they click on that, what information do they give and all that for the, what, bargain price of 25 pounds a year?Tell us about that and how people go through that process.It's really simple. Literally, you click on that, you're joining a private members association, so you're becoming a member of that PMA and all your data is kept absolutely confidential. In fact the My Medical Choice admins don't have access to the information in your profile. So you click on the link you sign up and then you get a welcome email which has.Just a whole host of information, including your ADN template, et cetera.Some great information on how to deal with the NHS gatekeepers, if you like.So lots of really great information. And as I say, once you've signed up, you then have your own back office, I call it.So that's where you can store all your information. You can put in your medical profile.You can put in your emergency contacts. You can fill in your template, ADN, and lasting power of attorney, and then upload and store those documents.So that's where you manage everything.And, the My Medical Choice people don't see that. That's yours.Nobody else can access it.When the first responders access your information, they can't make any changes to it.It's just there for them to see and use accordingly.So it's a really simple process from clicking on the register, and it just takes you through that really nicely with your welcome pack on email, and then your back office to start filling in your details.All the information you wanna put in there.
It's amazing how people ask questions about data, but yet they, we've just seen the Electoral Commission had a massive hack, all our data gone.It's crazy that many of us still trust our institutions to hold our data, but have queries on private companies holding data.It's strange. 
It is, but you know what? I think we're all guilty of it because, the terms and conditions are always that long, aren't they? How many of us just go, agree, agree?So, yeah. 
So, can I ask you what has been, have you had any pushback because, again, many of the things that many of us are doing in these times is pushing back against the government, pushing back against what is available.And that's probably not appreciated in certainly government circles, because we're simply supposed to follow like sheep.What kind of pushback have you had or kind of criticisms from elsewhere?
Do you know what? We haven't. And I'm surprised. I'm surprised to be able to say that, but we haven't because, PHA is for everybody. It doesn't matter what you believe or, you know, what journey you've had. It's for everybody and we've always been very clear about that and we are apolitical.We don't get involved in that side of things.This is about health, it's about empowering people, and it's about community.So that's what we focus on.And we are rightly helping to support a failing system.You know, I'm not interested in taking that system down. I'm interested in building the new for our kids.And making sure that they can have a life that they deserve, you know?And yeah, the current systems are broken.We all know that.And it's great that some people are actually dismantling those and addressing that.For me, my way of coping is going forward, moving forward, not looking behind.So fortunately, and I don't want to jinx us, we've been good so far, not really had any problems.You get the odd crazy on social media that will come and have a go, and that's their job, isn't it? But other than that, I'd say we've been very fortunate so far.Long may it continue. 
Yeah, you need some trolls. Keep our lives more interesting.
Well, you've not made an impact if you don't collect a few trolls along the way. 
Completely. It's 25 pound a year, which is 2 pound a month, which is nothing for what you're providing.
I agree. It's great. And actually, I'm sure you can share this code, PHAMMC.If you put that in when you register, you get five pounds off your first year.So it's actually 20 pounds. I mean, for what it provides, that peace of mind, How much can you put on that? For me it was just literally the best thing it really was, and at such a low cost. And the wonderful thing about it, it's a private members association, so all the income that comes into My Medical Choice is used to help improve the service.First and foremost, but secondly it's also helping other grassroots initiatives.So, we are choosing to fund different initiatives that are doing great work, that need that support.PHA needs the support, we don't have any funding. We have very little and we literally have done all this on a shoestring.I think we started off with £300 and got a website pulled together by the kindness of our volunteers.You know, we're all volunteers.But in order to go to the next level, you can't sustain that.We do have to, people have to earn a living at some point and be able to carry on doing the great work we're doing. So MMC is doing that. It's helping PHA because using our referral code, we also get a contribution from MMC. So really, it's great for everybody. It just means we can carry on improving this. It really is brilliant and working together.And that's all PHA have ever done from the start is collaborate and support those that are doing really great stuff at the grassroots. 
Can I ask you about parents signing up your children also to that, how does, how does that work? This a whole family thing?That the parents can sign up and then have their children sign up, how does it normally work? 
Yeah unfortunately not because, the law in this country prevents anyone under the age of 18 from having a lasting power of attorney, etc.For me, though, what I would say is you've educated yourself, you know everything now that you need to know about the system, how to navigate it, what your rights are, and therefore you can do a better job of protecting your children should they need to go into that system.Once they're 18, yeah, they can be signed up, but unfortunately, the legal stuff doesn't work for them.
But then if the parent is awake, then that provides that. 
No better protection than mama bear, you're coming after my kids.You can have a fight on your hands. So I think most of us are like that, aren't we?So we can protect our children with the knowledge that we have.
Can I just finish by just touching on, I will not do it justice, but I just want to touch on the mental health aspect. With everything that's happened, it's funny that our media and government are a little bit confused at some of the negative effects that it may be having, and that's not even touching on heart attacks, that's just touching on the damage mentally of been cooped up. We had fun with two children, taking them through lockdown, educating them in a flat, in a block in London. And it's not, we don't all have outside space and nice gardens and a swimming pool outside. And that was the few. Many of us did not have that. But yeah, maybe just finish on touching on that kind of mental health issue and the way that people can have help in that.Yeah, I mean this is, this was an issue before the pandemic, let's face it, we've never had an adequate support system for people with mental health issues, and let's face it as well, it affects us all at some point in our life. Nobody's immune. So it was already a broken system there, was not resourced as it should have been, and we don't have enough experts in this field. So for us at PHA, this is a tsunami that's coming. It already existed, then they locked everybody down and created more of an issue and people are now slowly waking up.They've got injuries, they're maimed, they're being told, take these antidepressants, it's all in your mind.You know, it's an absolute, and it's a global issue, obviously.So we are working very, very hard on this. We have to get safety nets in place to catch people as they fall.And that's why community is so important. This has to happen at community level.You have to be able to help people around you. It's not, it can't be done centrally, as we know, because we've already seen that that didn't go down to, that didn't work very well, did it?So it has to be, but for me, I'm very keen on pushing this with our PHA partners around the world and working together with them and their mental health experts and coming together to create global solutions.So it's very much a priority to us now.The thing that holds us back a lot of the time is again funding and being able to get the right people in to do the work that needs to be done. I'm going to do a shameless plug of ourPHA first gala dinner.... 
Oh yes, that's coming up. 
That's coming up. This is why I'm not sleeping currently because I've got six weeks and still got an awful lot to do. But it's going to be a great night and it's on the 29th of September. It's in Leeds at the Queen's Hotel and we've, already got some great speakers. We've got Richard Vobes, the lovely Richard Vobes is our MC for the night. Matt Le Tissier will be speaking as will Kate Shemirani talking about bringing nursing back into the community. So it's going to be a great event but it is a fundraiser because we need some funding to be able to really focus on these key projects, the mental health.The youth, the youth is another great project of ours that we're very passionate about.You know, the kids, they've had, we've all had an awful time.But the impact on the children from mental health to physical is just horrendous.So we're looking at things in that area to focus on. So yes, if anybody would like to come to the gala dinner, I'm sure we can provide you with the links.But even if you can't and you want to pledge some support, we've actually got an auction of promises set up, so people can go on there.We all think, it's like you said, I'm not from the health industry. I'm finance.But we've all got skills that we can offer. We can all do something, whether it's admin or on the auction of promises, if it's mowing someone's lawn, you know, and they give us five pounds for that.And everybody's got something that they can contribute.So it'd be great if we could share those links. And if anyone's listening and they want to get involved, please do get in touch with us. You can do that via our website as well.And it'd be great to see people on the night, really excited about it.
Well, people can go to PHA website there on the screen, and they can click on that.The First Gala Dinner, 29th of September, coming up. So six weeks to go.I really appreciate you coming along, Lisa. It's essential what you're doing, and it's exciting to see initiatives like this springing up, seemingly out of nowhere, because people are awake.So thanks for joining us today and discussing, not only touching on PHA, but also my medical choice.And I'd encourage all the viewers to go read up on it.Most of you will realize it is important. And for those of you living in the UK, click on it.If you like what you see, sign up.Two pound a month, it will cost you and use that code. What was the code again? 
P-H-A-M-M-C.
P-H-A-M-M-C.Put it in and you'll get that five pounds off. Lisa, thank you so much for being with us today.
Thank you for having me, I really appreciate it. And I just want to say you're doing an amazing job just helping to educate people and empower them. So it's great to be here. Thank you.
Thank you.

Dr David Cartland - NHS Silencing Whistleblowers: Is the GMC Fit for Purpose?

Show notes and Transcript...
Dr David Cartland joins Hearts of Oak once again to discuss his ongoing battles as a wide awake doctor. For over 2 years he has had to fight, not only for his credibility in the NHS but for his continued employment. He shares his ongoing battle with the GMC (General Medical Council) who seek to destroy GP's on the basis of random complaints about their social media posts. In the middle of this skirmish, David finds himself 'persona non grata' and struggles to find locum jobs as a doctor in a country that is in desperate need for medical professionals. We end with Dr Cartland sharing the many stories he hears each day of horrific vaccine injuries.
Dr David Cartland (MBChB MRCGP) is a fully qualified doctor and GP.He is also one of the most censored professionals in the UK.Dr Cartland has a 1st class degree in Biomedical science including a year of specialist immunology and microbiology/virology training that included statistical analysis, and it is this area of expertise that has had particular relevance and value in allowing him to professionally assess the mass of government, NHS, MHRA, pharmaceutical and ONS data on Covid-19 and Covid-19 Vaccine Adverse Reactions, which has been published since the declaration of the ‘pandemic’ in UK.Between his two degrees David worked for a year in the angiogenesis research group at the University of Birmingham and he is a published author in angiogenesis research.At his graduation he recited the Hippocratic oath.Part of this powerful oath is a vow.A vow to ‘Primum non nocere’- first do no harm.After years of training and sacrifice, followed by many happy years in a professional practice as a highly respected doctor, in February 2022 David took the difficult decision to resign as a GP.
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Interview recorded 19.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.David Cartland, who's back with us again. And David joins us to discuss his experiences of being investigated over two years now by the General Medical Council, the GMC.It is the regulatory body that investigates doctors' malpractice or failures. And because of initially anonymous reports complaining about a social media profile, he has been investigated.He discusses that process and the GMC have absolute power, they can remove a doctor's ability to practice medicine in the UK. So it is, they are judge and jury, court martial. We also go into how the NHS silences whistle-blowers. He shares some of the stories of his patients that he has seen vaccine injuries and we also discuss his difficulty of simply getting a job as a locum in surgeries. 
Dr. David Cartland, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for your time today. 
(Dr David Cartland)
No, thanks for having me, Peter. It's always a pleasure to chat. 
Good to chat. I think last time you were with me is probably our last video at the end of last year. Time flies past, but it's good to have you back. Lots to cover, not only about you but what you see professionally. But if I can @CartlandDavid on Twitter, that's where you can follow David's many pieces of information put out regularly. So if you're not already following him, do. Although,David, you've become quite high profile. Maybe just touch on that and then before we get onto of the GMC stuff and some of the cases you see.But what is it like to be kind of the voice of reason? Because I guess when you go into profession, you're there as part of the system. You put your head down, you do the good that you've been trained to do.It's quite different for you because a lot of doctors now in the media, in the public sphere, are talking about. What has it been like over the last three years? 
It's really strange because I get a lot of feedback that I've kind of stuck my head above the parapet and I'm brave and I've got balls of steel or whatever they say, but you know I see it as simply my duty to do what I've done.You know I've said this many times, you know, I've stuck my neck on the line but really not because I've spoke out about ethical principles of consent, bodily autonomy, not coercing patients to take medical treatments that they aren't being fully informed about number one, but you know, that we haven't got any safety data for, you know, defending children and pregnant moms, you know, there was never any roll out data for both cohorts. And so that's the two easy wins, I thought I picked, you know, the ethical issues and the pregnancy safety, lack of safety data and the children and vaccine injuries and speaking out about lockdowns and masks and for doing so, you know, the NHS supposedly supports whistle blowing, they call it a learning culture, a no-blame culture, let's talk about these things without any blame until you whistle blow.And then, like I found out, to my detriment in a couple of arenas, really, as soon as you whistle blow about concerns that you've got. Concerns that still to this day remain unanswered.That's the other thing. You could easily shut me off with some data. Very easy to do.Correct my blasphemous views on all of this, just sit me down and show me the error of my ways and hasn't happened for two and a half days. It's been a full two and a half years, should I say.It's been a cancel culture as other people in the arena have found, you know, you look at Andrew Bridgen, all he did was ask questions and asked to take a closer look at the data. You look at footballers, Matt Le Tissier, you know, speaking out and saying, look, we need to look at this, footballers are collapsing left, right and centre, let's stop, let's investigate this. Similar to me, I'm just saying like this isn't ethically right, this isn't safe, we're not following evidence-based practice here, but yeah to somehow out of all of this become, I googled myself the other day because I said a third's really let me go because they said they'd googled me, so I thought let's.Have five minutes and see what you can come up with when you google Dave Cartland.One thing that comes up is internet personality, so that's the surrealness of where we are at the moment in that for somehow doing the job, following my Hippocratic oath, following principles of safety evidence based practice and ethics and these are all GMC guidance's as well you know I keep reminding on Twitter my fellow colleagues of the guides the guidelines that we have you know about the duty of candour whistleblowing ethics you know making sure you know we're gaining informed consent these are all enshrined in the GMC and as we'll talk about later on in the discussion the GMC they've got some slightly double standards when it comes to who to go after. 
I guess there was some point where it went from criticism within the profession, so disagreements with fellow doctors, fellow professionals, to a, more bigger investigation and checking up. I mean how did that step change come?
Yeah, where to start with that? So yeah, I mean, it has been kind of, it started off as kind of anonymous reporting. So the first I ever heard of the GMC, being involved in me was, I found it in my junk email box from my NHS mail account, saying that there'd been some sort of hearing about me about spreading COVID misinformation, and that a decision had been made that there was no case to answer for. This was in April, I think, 2021, it goes all the way back to that.That was without your input, you just... 
So that was without my knowledge, my input, but even though they found there was no case to answer, they escalated it to NHS Performance Advisory Committee.And so you'll see on Twitter, I posted a reflective piece they asked me to do at that point to explain how I got to my position. I actually got to present to the GMC at the time as well, not the GMC, NHS PAG committee and their six doctors.I had the floor for about an hour, went through data, my concerns, and with specific reference to the reflective piece that I posted.And, you know, at the very end, I just said to them, any comment, any information on what, you know, any rebuttal to what I presented?And they just said, look, we're not here to discuss the content of your views on COVID.We're here to discuss, and it was a really strange comment they made.They said, we're here to discuss your mental health, your fitness to practice, and your fitness for purpose.I always remember that comment, fitness for purpose. And it kind of all fizzled out after that.They closed the case, and then pretty much, you know, every month or two, I'd get a dumping from the GMC saying we've had these 15, mostly anonymous complaints from various characters, either from Twitter or ex-colleagues I used to work with saying, we've had these 15, 20 complaints just to let you know, FYI, this is the content that's sending you the redacted complaints.And you'd just been told that you were getting this flurry of complaints about COVID misinformation, conspiracy theories, and all the rest of it. And some of them are quite comical.I was called a dangerous individual, I've been called Harold Shipman 2023.And all the rest of it and so you know they were throwing them out which is good but then it kind of got a little bit more nefarious in that you know, firstly the council culture in my own community, so I've been you know, I've been I moved down to Cornwall for the work life balance, I didn't wake up one morning and say I tell you what I'm going to be a crazy anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist and commit career suicide. I said what I saw I had genuinely held and still unrebutted concerns as previously mentioned on safety ethics and an evidence-based medicine and not being followed.And for that, I've received a cancellation, blacklisting. I've applied recently for, in Cornwall, we've got a lack of doctors. We've got a massive issue with GPs in particular.I'm an ED-trained GP, so I'm kind of dual-trained, and I teach medical students.I've got background in science.I'm a published scientist, did a degree with quite heavy weighting in immunology.And we've got somewhere around 25 jobs out there all the time, consistently. Whenever you look at the website advertising for GP jobs, there's always 25 jobs.So I applied for 25 jobs about six, seven months ago, and I got three responses.The rest just ignored me.Their jobs are still being advertised, by the way. And the three letters that I got back were essentially we don't employ anti-vaxxers or your views on vaccines don't align with the ethos of our vaccine centre, for example.So it started off like that.And even now, I mean, I've been let go from locum surgeries now because I retweeted an Andrew Tate video six months ago.That's a genuine example of why I've just been let go from three weeks worth of work, you know, and I didn't really know who Andrew Tate was. If I'm honest, I must've just seen something on Twitter, retweeted it without doing a full, you know, biography check on the person.And then that was enough cause for the GP surgery to let me go.And that was actually a surgery that had massively positive feedback from the work that I'd done.And then the other surgeries then, you know, putting the phone down on agencies they mentioned the name Dr Cartland, literally putting the phone down on them saying and then the agency would get back to them and say was that technically correct.Was that a technical issue with the line? I said, no, no, no.You mean Dr. David Cartland from Cornwall? Oh, no, no, we don't employ anti-vaxxers at our surgery.We'd rather not employ a doctor.We would rather have no doctor than have him.And there's been several examples across the last six months where surgeries have gone without a medic for a whole day than have me, who's offered my services to them.And I've got email confirmation of that. So it started off a little bit like that, cancellation in my locality.I mean, cancellation by the village that I live in, the town I live in.Literally bizarre because as you mentioned earlier you know outside of Cornwall, I'm quite, there's a profile there you know people know who I am people recognize me but not in my home village they think I'm a leper and they treat me like a leper so very odd and then the GMC stuff started a bit more insidiously then with with the usual suspects on Twitter.. 
So okay tell us what the GMC the General Medical Council there'll be many watching not in the UK so what exactly is that body what does it do?
So the GMC are there, General Medical Council are there to kind of oversee doctors conduct, doctors you know any issues around their abilities practice safely, you know so clinical negligence etc so they've got kind of lots of overreach into into what doctors do but I mean the way you complain about a doctor is you can literally go on to an online page completely you can say anything you want and I've seen this in action, like literally you can say, Dr. Cartland tweeted this.And this was what a lot of the complaints were that I was getting.It was about social media activity.But I did come across, you know, I had the devil in me at some point in the past, about seven or eight months ago.And I decided to do a sort of feature on Twitter where I went into some of the TV doctors.And I thought, I'm going to out some of the outrageous statements that Van Tam, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock.I did a week of going after the politicians and just quoted what they said in their own press conferences and, you know, the next slide, please, conferences that they were doing. And then I moved on to the TV doctors. And I went to Dr. Ranj, Dr. Amir Khan, Dr. Sarah Kayat, Dr.Hilary Jones, and I basically published the biggest whoppers that they'd ever told, you know, like, Dr. Ranj said, you know, take one COVID-19 vaccine, and you're 100%, 100%, it's always 100% safe and effective of avoiding hospital or going, becoming unwell, or dying of COVID-19. That's what he said, or worse. And I just posted it. And that's been taken now by the GMC to be examples of my bullying.The charges against me at the moment are bullying, incitement of hatred to fellow professionals, and online harassment.So they've tried the misinformation, they've tried the mental health, they've tried the conspiracy theories on professional behaviour, social media guidance, and now they've moved on to what can only be described as a coordinated complaint.I've got evidence of all the complainants collaborating together in chat rooms, and making this an effort to get me struck off.So as we stand today, you know, I've been all of the complainants, for example, have been given the chance to give an oral statement against me. You know, Dr. Ranj gave a 110 page victim statement in inverted commas. And it was like reading a fantasy novel. Honestly, I've read it, it's an embarrassment really to the GMC, but they've took it seriously on the lines of bullying and harassment. And what have I done? I've posted 'This Morning' interview where he made outrageous claims that misled a lot of people, you know, nothing's 100% RSA, you know, this cup of tea, it's not 100% safe, I could choke on it, I could drop the cup on my foot, I could drop, you know, the hot liquid on my crotch, you know, and it's not, it's not 100% safe, is it? So all of these doctors made the claim of 100% safety. One particular complainant said it was 100% safe tovaccinate pregnant women, and then went on to say that the vaccine reduced miscarriage rates, and then went on to equally tell a whopper around what technology was used in the vaccine, saying it was identical to the influenza vaccine, without naming names for this particular doctor.But, you know, they've been able to formulate that my retweet of, you know, their false claims has been labelled as, what did they say in the one complaint, I've set my anti-vax mob upon them, and, you know, they're all playing the mental health card now, saying that because of Dr Cartland, they're suffering with their mental health and anxiety and all the rest of it playing the victim beautifully.Very strange goings on and to me I mean it's a big overreach really GMC are they there to comment on my twitter feed? you know that's what it seems to have come down to.
But well, what is the the process do you get an email or letter through to say you need to appear in front of somewhere, just being told you're under investigation and you said you were before them so what input do you have with that?
That's a really good question, so in all in all of this you get kind of, you get I'm infamous at GMC now so I've got my own complaints member of staff so I've been allocated my own member of staff for the inundation that they've had.But essentially that person will then update me on the process.And the process has been the three complainants have been given the oral witness statements.And they've gone to town on me really and dug back into my timeline.There's clear collaboration between them. Meaning one particular complaint, the GMC have actually helped the complainant go through my Twitter feed and look at interviews to look for examples of alleged transphobia.So there was a period about three months ago where I went in heavy on the strange things that we're seeing in the sexualization of children, sex trafficking.There's the drag queen story hour that we've had in Cornwall.Some of the videos I'm seeing online about inappropriate things going on in front of children.People clad in gimp suits with kids stroking them.You've probably seen the images. Men clad with sex toys all over them, multi-coloured sex toys, making a complete fool of themselves really in front of children.And calling that out, and again, charge number eight on the GMC charge list is I've showed hostility towards the LGBTQ community.I've had lots of input from LGBTQ people, show me a lot of support, actually, because they're fed up of it.They're fed up of this kind of leaning into the agenda and the overreach of it, this minor attracted persons, the, we need to start having sympathy for paedophilia, we need to start looking deep into the psychology, normalizing it and then going off on things like, you know, in schools now we've got kids in our locality identifying as cats. I mean, how on earth have we ended up with that? You know, when we've got people being referred off a puberty blockade at the age of 12 and genital mutilation, that to the GMC there is evidence of my hostility towards LGBTQ and they're jumping on anything at the moment. Clearly I've got a target on my head.So none of it has to do necessarily with your medical understanding or ability or giving someone the wrong drugs. It's simply your views, what's in your head.And it's strange how a tweet can affect how you actually carry out, listen to a patient diagnosing them. It's, their opposites.
They're saying it just affects confidence in the profession, so another colleague, I won't mention the name at the moment, is having a case reopened for bringing the profession into disrepute.Affecting public confidence with their conspiracy theories in inverted commas. But I mean, I'll tell you what's happened, just to finish off what I meant to say just about the GMC proceedings. So all three complainants got the chance of an oral statement. They've been either to the building in GMC HQ or they've given a Zoom, you know, face-to-face. I've not been afforded that privilege so basically what they've done is clumped all three complaints together into about 600 pages of evidence and I mean the evidence is pathetic, simple as that it's not it wouldn't you know if it was a murder case it would be thrown out, you know it's absolutely embarrassing but all the way through this I've got a clear evidence of all three complainants colluding, inciting against me, getting people to and they've done it for other doctors like Aseem Malhotra, please report this doctor to the GMC, well that's incitement isn't it. And I've got evidence of this.In fact, one of the complainants has been, is a very notorious chap on Twitter.Again, I can't name his name, but a notorious bully, troll, spreader of misinformation.And this guy has been bullying me for two years and has had the audacity to accuse me of bullying.I said to the GMC, I've got pages and pages of information where he's called me Harold Shipman or he's had me arrested or I've been struck off.I'm dangerous, I'm dodgy, I'm unsafe to practice, I'm a liar.I've got all of these screenshots. He's even questioned my mental health, publicly saying I should be sectioned, I'm mentally unstable.He's been speaking to my family and they're all increasingly concerned about my mental health. I've got all this, but can you show it to the GMC? Do they want to see it?No, they don't. not letting me give, you know, get beyond the administrative system to speak to a decision maker. So it's been very much guilty till proven innocent and they backed that up by, about a month ago, they demanded of me my full, you know, who I work for as a locum, what surgeries, which hospitals I work in and they wanted me to go back six months to name what surgeries I work at and the reason for that was they wanted to send out a letter before I've even had a chance to give evidence to say Dr. Cartland has been accused by some high profile TV doctors of bullying, harassment and online incitement and that's gone out to every surgery that I've either worked for or currently worked for and I absolutely begged them not to do that. I said look, this is clearly a guilty till proven innocent approach to the situation, please let me at least give my chance of defending myself. I mean to be fair to them, they've been clear in the letter that, you know there is no fitness to practice hearing here and it's not, you know, they haven't even made a decision on that they're just collating so what's the point of sending the letter. I said to them this is only going to give me financial and reputational damage, they still sent it and since then the three surgeries have not offered me a single locum shift, so as predicted they want to wait till the investigation's over and that's natural of course, why would you want to employ a doctor by choice that, you know, it's hard enough for me to get a surgery to take me for half a day when they're absolutely desperate, you know, it's it's such a waste but can't explain that. Guilty to all, even innocent. 
How long has the process with the GMC, how long has that been going on for and how long does it, is there a fixed time period, can they keep it open for indefinitely, what's the process?
Yeah that's a great question as well, I don't know, I've not been very transparent through the whole time, it's been, I've been dangled by a piece of string since like I say April two years ago, with various different, you know, aspects, like I say I first found out about investigation from a junk email. It's just the communication has been terrible as well. They've not kept me up to date really. They keep telling me they dropped a lot of the charges against me without informing me that they dropped a lot of charges against me. What GMC like to do as well is they send you emails that are quite anxiety inducing about five to five in the evening, and they're all knocking off at five o'clock. So even in that approach it's like well.There's method in that, they're doing that on purpose, you know, to send an email at 10 to 5 with, you know, this is the witness statement for Dr. X and then you're going into the weekend and you can't fight your corner and, you know, all they've done along in terms of pastoral care, you know, at the end of the day this is very stressful, you know, I'm going into the next month not knowing if I'm going to be in front of a fitness to practice hearing for the crimes of promoting evidence-based practice ethics and safety.And I don't know where my next pay check's coming from. It's just, it's bizarre.And all they've done is they've given me a Samaritan's number and to contact the BMA 24-hour helpline, completely separate to them. There's been no pastoral support.In fact, there's been no pastoral support at all. I've tried all through the last year to reach out.It's hard enough to do that as a doctor, reaching out to other doctors, and I've ended up passed from pillar to post. No one can offer me any support, any help.I even went to my own GP at a time when I was having a lot of stress, I wasn't sleeping.GP essentially, in a nutshell, signed me off work for six months with stress and depression.Sent me bucket loads of antidepressants, sleeping tablets and anxiolytics and then zero point during that, I've still got the boxes by the way, I never used them, but the point I was trying to make is not one single doctor or nurse spoke to me in that six months and assessed me and gave me copious amounts of drugs during that time and signed me up and made a diagnosis actually based upon e-consults, which is what doctors are doing now. They're not even seeing patients to this day. They're still doing telephone consults, you know, triaging everything out, you know, only seeing on the day emergencies and this is what's contributing in a way to some, only a small amount of the excess mortality that we see and they're just not seeing patients hence, not diagnosing or processing and doing their job, still hiding behind the COVID. I worked at a surgery a few weeks ago and the doctors are all still masked up. They've got two, three masks on some of them, gloves on, aprons on, visors, they change between every patient and they've had five or six jabs at each of these doctors. So we've created this bizarre kind of germ OCD phobia kind of mentality. I can't explain it. 
It is. Maybe four months ago, five months ago, I went to the hospital with one of my kids and I went in and the doctor said, I'm sorry, you'll obviously need to wear a mask. I said, I'm exempt. He goes, no, no, no, you can't be exempt. I said, yes, I'm exempt, I can show you, the government. And he goes, oh well, it's too dangerous.If you refuse to wear a mask, we'll have to have the consultation in the corridor.So we moved out of his room and we were in the corridor of a busy hospital and he carried out the consultation in the corridor, because the corridor was safe, but his room was not. And I thought, you don't even argue when you're with children, you just... 
And this is in 2023, Peter, isn't it? The insanity continues and now we've got the old... Eris, is it? Eris, the variant, and they're trying to stoking up the fear porn.The goddess of destruction, they've named this one after all, chaos or something like that.So they're really working on getting the anxiety levels up and people will fall for it.The doctors have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.Absolutely easy meat it's been to con the doctors. I mean, how to explain what happens to you there?You know, you've been taken out to a corridor. It's just insane.You know, if you see a doctor in a mask, I would go and ask to see another doctor.I'd go so far as to say that, you know, It's an instant IQ assessment for me.The data's out there about damage. Not only is it pointless, I keep trying to explain, you've got eyes as well.If you sneeze into somebody's eyes, you still can contract. So unless you've got goggles on.Doesn't matter what you wear on your face. There are studies that show it's dangerous to your blood gas.You can become hypercapnic, hypoxic.Quite swiftly, I have to put in one arm. Spoke to a lady at my son's optician appointment last week, and you could see she was struggling to breathe.You're speaking and she's and you can see it bellowing out and just like you don't need to put that on, it doesn't work, but her excuse to me was it just makes the older patients feel safer, but it's fraud isn't it, it doesn't it doesn't do what it says on the tin but that's just a small cog in this deception isn't it. 
One last question on the GMC and then maybe touching some of the cases you have seen what powers do the GMC have? 
They've got the power to end your career, literally, so that's where we are with my particular cases, that they're going to, two people get to decide, one's a lay person and I don't get to speak to these people. I've got the opportunity to write a written rebuttal and they turn the sand timer off 14 days ago so I've left it for a few days and I've got 14 more days to respond and then that goes to a decision maker which is a doctor, a lay person to decide is it fitness to practice or not and that's where the fun begins if it is a fitness to practice and in a kind of dark way. I hope they do because I hope to air my facts and figures to them in public and I think this is the reason they haven't taken some of the higher profile doctors to fitness to practice because it goes on public record. We come out with all of our data, we talk about excess mortality, we talk about our clinical experiences and it all comes out in the open and I don't think they want that. That's why they go for things like bullying and online harassment and breaking the social media guidance or there's a new guidance come out on LGBTQ+ now, all you need to do is offend, that's the measure now you have to leave your faith for example at the door and if the level of being able to report the doctor to the GMC is just merely offending somebody with your view and again at that fitness to practice that literally is what it says on the tin, are you fit to practice or not and we see it now in some of the cases of people being struck off, it's very nefarious, people are, and it's not based on safety, it doesn't seem to be harming patients that brings about the charges are being struck off anymore it can be what you're offending somebody or you know your twitter feed or retweeting an Andrew Tate video for example, it's just bizarre I mean what what jurisdiction should the GMC have over my private, where's that private, public social media. I've got freedom of speech, you know, I'm a lot of these views and they're quite you know within their rights to debate me but I'm two and a half years in now, not a single doctor, no one from the LMC, no one from the GMC, no one from the NHS, the chief medical officer runs away from me down here, the MP runs away from me down here.No one wants to have the conversation and so we all know what that is.But it's just so dark, isn't it, that, you know, a good doctor here is not able to work in one of the most under doctored areas of the NHS.And, you know, it's only patients that suffer. It's not me. I'm doing okay with my private work, you know, so, you know, it's one of those.Well, actually, let's touch on that, the private work side on your website.Let people know what they can find because this is, I think, a way forward and what you're offering is essential and exciting that's happening, it's sad to see it has to happen.But tell us what people, is it people in the local area that they can basically connect with you and have a diagnosis?
Yeah, so the service has been set up with a deliberate eye on what the GMC have been up to.So I've kind of called it a kind of off-grid, off-matrix kind of medical experience.So I don't know anyone else who's doing it, really. So it's kind of novel in its approach.So I've had to be careful what I call it. Obviously, I am a GP, I'm a doctor, so I'm allowed to use those titles.But I've had to kind of draw a line as to what needs to be regulated and what I can do in an unregulated fashion.So for example, if I prescribe a drug, that needs to be regulated.You need a GMC license to practice, CQC registration.Now, if I keep patient notes, I need GDPR regulation. So I've had to pitch it, the model, at where I can be unregulated, like a life coach, for example.So I call what I do health coaching.I call it clinical navigation, clinical signposting. I call it health advocacy.And that's what I do. I'm a voice of reason. I'm a medically trained person, ex-scientist, that is there for patients to come to and listen.One of the key things I get is as to why people book in with me is, A, that they trust me for standing up against all of this this nonsense, so it's a trust issue and that trust has been lost. These people you're never gonna trust doctors ever again.And they come to me because they value my opinion and I listen.It's a simple case of having an hour, you know, I charge in a very ethical price, you know, it's far below what, you know, the standards for a private GP appointment would be.It's a quarter of that. And I sit with the patient for an hour and I listen and I take the history.And even this very morning, I had three cases of vaccine injured patients that just, they were quite emotional, really, both the two younger girls, because they just got heard.They were listened to and acknowledged instead of being gas lit and told it was all in their head and there was absolutely no chance of that.But going back to the service, it's growing month on month.It's going really well. I work from this office.I work every morning seven days a week, 363 days a year.So accessibility is there. You get the same doctor twice.You actually get a doctor, which is a bonus.In general practice, if you actually get a doctor, you've struck gold, haven't you?So they're the USPs really, and you'll get an honest opinion.Sometimes I do have to direct people back into the NHS to take our blood tests, for example.But that's what I'm there for. I'm a health advocate.And so like one of the patients this morning, I've written what I call a kick the doctor up the backside letter to get the doctor to do some basic investigations with a girl that's been having chest pain and palpitations within a week of the vaccine.And they haven't even done an ECG.They've done their blood tests. a referral for 24-hour ECG monitoring. They've not done a referral for an echocardiogram. Just basics. You know, we're seeing a lot of clinical and criminal negligence now in the patients that I see, particularly from the vaccine injury community. So that's what you get in a nutshell.So yeah, go to drcartland.com and have a peek.Tell us more about what you're seeing because I'm assuming that you may see people that have gone to their doctor, nothing's happening, the doctor refuses to even consider this could be vaccine injury and therefore they come across you and speak to you. But tell us kind of how that's worked and what are some of the stories that you've heard from patients? 
Yeah so the stories are quite classic actually. So what I would say from the outset is I've not spoke to a vaccine injured patient that has got the same story. So there's different kind of severities of symptoms, there's different timelines, there's some are immediate, some are sort of medium term, some are slightly longer term. But the one thing that's really consistent with these patients is that temporal relationship to the vaccine. They're in good health, the two patients this morning.In good health, fit and healthy. One was an 18 year old and within two days of having the vaccine and the second patient was within two weeks having some heart pain, chest discomfort.They then venture off to their doctor and every case is the same.The doctor will immediately, as soon as the patient mentions the vaccine word, that's it.It's almost like crucifix comes out at that point. The room changes, the mood changes, the aggression levels of the doctor change and they dismiss the patient with immediate effect and just say, look, this is absolutely 100% nothing to do with the vaccine whatsoever.But these are the same doctors, if you remember, that had, you know, they were putting down COVID-19 for every death. You know, you can have a positive test and get struck by lightning the day after. And they put COVID-19 as a death certificate, they'll put in COVID-19 as 1A when people have died of cancer.And it was quite extraordinary. But what they're telling these people is, either it's in their head, the amount of people who've got bizarre symptoms, and some people have got some really eclectic, strange, medically unexplainable symptoms.So they come and they've got a bit of this and a bit of that, and it doesn't fit into a conventional diagnosis or criteria to diagnose things like MS, for example.They get brain fog with numb left arm with weakness of the right calf and incontinence of urine, for example.That doesn't fit into any conventional neurological diagnosis. I'm hearing of cases where neurologists are seeing the patients.Telling them it's absolutely not 100% nothing to do with the vaccine. They're not even touching the patient with a tendon hammer. They're not examining them and just dismissing them as functional neurological disorder, aka they're making it up. It's in their head, despite you know, coming on two days after the vaccine. The latest thing I'm hearing is they're telling vaccine injury patients that it's from long COVID, everything's long COVID. So these doctors who deny a day after the vaccine, somebody, you know, going into fits, is anything to do with the vaccine, are the same doctors who were saying, oh, actually, the latest one is even more dark, asymptomatic long COVID. So I'll give you a real life example of a 31 year old who I saw about a month ago at surgery, who had two AstraZeneca's. After each AstraZeneca, she had a blood clot on her leg, one on each leg. Then they went on to booster with a Moderna in December this year, just gone. And this was a 31 year old girl. She had a mini stroke a week later and then she had a full-blown stroke.And when she had to have surgery, a bilateral stroke, blood clots on the brain.And she was told, and I saw this in the neurological letters, that she'd been, this was from an asymptomatic COVID-19, long COVID infection, that had caused a stroke and this was all within a month of a Moderna booster. Absolutely incredible and then, you know, I tell patients, you know, it's highly likely but the issue we've got here is really that we can't ever prove it.There isn't really a way of absolutely proving it. We're looking at ways of really nailing this correlation, causation thing now.So there is a way of finding out antibodies, if you've got antibodies, for example, to nucleocapsid protein and the S-protein, and if you've got both, then there's an equal argument that it could have been the COVID infection.But what we have got now is patients that are just measuring for antibodies for the S-protein, which is a spike protein, and not the nucleocapsid protein.So that completely knocks out the possibility that it can be long COVID-related, because there's no evidence of the nucleocapsid protein.So we need to find that test that really is that eureka moment in helping these patients.And a lot of work I do is around spike protein detox.And we're all, whether you believe in shedding or not, that's up for discussion, but we really need to get detoxifying our bodies and I've really turned myself around in the last eight or nine weeks because I've been vaccinated as you know, and it's really messed with me, it's messing my cognition, my memory, lots of brain fogs, lots of mental fatigue, obviously there's a lot of confounders here about all the stress going on, but at the same time, I felt like I was going into dementia at 41 years of age and really turned it around. So anyone who's got any concerns about spike protein, obviously not just me, don't just contact me. I'm not just selling my service.There are lots of protocols out there now from World Council for Health, People's Health Alliance.You've got the FLCCC, I Recover Protocol.My protocol is publicly available on Twitter for free. It's all about detoxification of the spike protein.That's the pathology here.And that's common across the board. It really was a flawed thing to do, get the body to produce this non-human spike protein through the mRNA.Surprise, surprise, it's causing autoimmunity, it's causing cancers, it's causing inflammation in the body, it's causing immune system destruction, it's causing micro-plotting, endothelial dysfunction.It really is poisonous stuff. So yeah, anyone who's had a jab needs to look at, for themselves and for their relatives and loved ones, what we can to get rid of the spike protein.Lots of literature out there.Yeah, PHA, certainly World Health Alliance, fantastic work.So what you're basically pointing out is they are providing solutions.
Absolutely, yeah. And these are grassroots organizations picking up momentum with each passing month.Both of the aforementioned, they're grassroots, they're run by people that give a lot of time for free to help set up an alternative to the NHS.And, you know, honesty is at the centre of it all, you know, being open, being honest, and not for profit.None of these people are here to make money. They're here to provide a service.And if you go, for example, to the PHA website, you'll see that there's a whole directory of people that can help.It's not just the NHS. It's not, you don't have to go with the Stockholm syndrome, of going through the primary care system and being gaslit, you know, go contact people.There's directories of people that are, Naturopathic is the best way to put it.It doesn't have to be drugs. My own protocol's got one medicine on there, the rest is all plant-based. Anti-inflammatories, supplements, things like that.Things like keto diets, paleo-ketogenic diet, carnivore diets, that can really help get your body detoxed from anything from spike protein to heavy metals and all the crap that's in our food.We're toxic people now because it's everywhere. It's in the food chain, it's in the water, it's in the sky.So we're getting, you need to detox.
100%. Can I just ask you about doctors, whenever a patient goes to a doctor, are doctors kind of given information they go by, or is it purely in their head? Because obviously when someone comes in they refuse to accept it's vaccine harm. Is that simply because they're in, I guess, in some ways the pocket of the pharma industry, or because they just are too busy, they haven't looked, or because they're following guidance from elsewhere?
A bit of everything, really. I think when I do get to chat to it, and I do all the time, I get told not to talk about COVID in surgeries. I make it my business to enlighten the staff that are vaccinating people. So I worked in a room last week with a lady who was jabbing pregnant moms and kids with the COVID vaccine, so she was enlightened by me. So what I would say is the combination of doctors have got egos, number one, egos and God complexity, thinking they are the powers that be.Number two, they're complicit.They've been putting these jabs into people's arms.What's more concerning is people who've been jabbing through the last two and a half years don't even know that it's a novel technology.You completely lose them when you talk about gene therapy and immunomodulatory therapy.MRNA, a paramedic last week said, what's MRNA?And she'd been jabbing it into people's arms for the last two and a half years.And really that's not acceptable. The only defence I do have, and again, I've been dabbling a little bit back into the NHS the last few months, is that your just run ragged.You start your day at eight o'clock, you finish at six.Your halftime break's a home visit, where you're driving around, particularly in Cornwall, like there's quite distance the homes are from the surgery.And so you're driving with your sandwich in your mouth and your crisps while you're driving around, and you get back and you start again.It's like eat, sleep, repeat, and you don't have time.That's my only slight defence is that you run ragged and I think deliberately so.So doctors just haven't got the energy.You know, those days I did a few weeks ago, I haven't got time to get up and read the Lancet Journal or the evidence data for excess mortality. And it's not a good enough excuse, but you know, it's a factor in the equation that needs to be considered, that people are run ragged.And hence they don't know the Pfizer data, you know, the Pfizer documents that I've read cover to cover.These people haven't even heard of the Pfizer documents because they're that frazzled at the end of the day.And then the money, you know, it's been a big money maker for the whole of primary care hospitals.You know, they've cleared their debts from all of this. So I'll never understand why doctors aren't putting two and two together when you've got somebody that in a very short timeframe after a novel gene therapy, you know, has developed X, Y, and Z symptoms and how it can't be in the differential diagnosis at the least, that's just clinical negligence.You know, it's, this whole denial of the timeframe, you know, these well healthy young people. I've had some harrowing stories in the last few months of people that have lost legs, lost the use of the legs, you know, becoming incontinent, transverse myelitis, MS cases, turbo cancers, blood clots at the age of 18, all in proximity to the vaccine. All of them have one thing in common, it's absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine, according to their medical professional. It's just not good enough because we have to start helping these people. One thing's for sure, I've never jabbed a single individual. I've not given an mRNA jab to a single human, but I'm the only one seeming, along with a small pocket of UK doctors, trying to find answers and solutions. And we work day and night, and we're the bad boys of the profession, working day and night, often for nothing, to try and find solutions to what will be looked back on as the biggest crime against humanity. Of that, I'm certain. 
100% agree with you. Dr David Cartland, I really appreciate you coming on, giving us an update on what's happening with you and what you're seeing as a professional. I'm assuming the best place is on your Twitter. They can follow what's happening with the GMC and whenever you're coming, as you're going through that process, you'll keep your followers up to date on @CartlandDavid. 
That's the one. There are a few imposters, nice to be popular, but if you type in David Cartland into Twitter, you'll see there's about 25 versions of me, but that, you've got the twitter tag right there on the screen, so look out for the imposters because they are asking people for money personal details and you try to report to twitter to stop them but no, if they put parody in their profile they're allowed to say what they want, it's incredible, the amount of bullying I've had Peter is just, it's incredible, and yet I'm in the dock for being a bully, it's so bittersweet really to accept. 
Hmm, no completely. Well yeah, @CartlandDavid, make sure and get it right.Nowhere else but there. 
David, thank you so much for your time today.
No, thanks for having me. It's always good to share what I'm seeing.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

Hearts of Oak's head honcho is flying solo again this episode, so join Peter as he has a word or two to say about what has stood out to him on social media, in the news and across the globe this past seven days.In the spot-light today......- Trending: Far Right - Canadian Conservative Pierre Poilievre slams a reporter for saying "experts" are accusing him of "dog-whistling to the far right" by criticising the WEF's globalist policies.- #FJB: Biden regime to reinstate COVID-19 restrictions beginning with mask mandate as “COVID Cases Rise”?- Leave the Kids Alone: The far right’s fixation on paedophilia is dangerous?- Moms for Liberty poised to clash with teachers unions over school board races across the US.- UK Grooming Gangs: Five men found guilty of plying two schoolgirls (12/13 years of age) with drink and drugs before sexually abusing them in Rochdale.- Died Suddenly...- Refugee accuses the Government of having policies of “hostility and deterrence” after six died when a boat carrying migrants sank off the coast of France.- Woke at War: Transgender journalist becomes spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defence Forces to inform US and European citizens about events at the front line.
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.Described as an 'all round good egg' and 'so laid back he is almost horizontal', Peter is also a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Originally broadcast live 19.8.23
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Links to articles discussed...Trending Far Right  https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1692066948614435215?s=20Pierre Poilievre https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1691877924977475732?s=20Biden Regimehttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/just-time-election-biden-regime-reinstate-covid-19/The far right’s fixation https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-far-rights-fixation-on-pedophilia-is-dangerousMoms for Libertyhttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/moms-for-liberty-poised-to-clash-with-teachers-unions-over-school-board-races-nationwideGrooming Gangshttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12418211/Five-men-guilty-sexually-abusing-schoolchildren-rochdale.htmlDied suddenly https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12412043/Parents-Olympic-swimmer-Helen-Smart-comprehend-death-43.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubuttonRefugee https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-government-english-channel-afghanistan-kettering-b1100398.htmlTransgender https://spzh.news/en/news/75232-us-transgender-becomes-the-face-of-uaf-media-project-for-western-countries

Dr Sebastian Gorka - Election Integrity, Indictments Strengthening Trump and the Lunacy of the Left

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Dr Sebastian Gorka joins Hearts of Oak to discuss the latest bout of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr Gorka is a unique figure in the US media and political scene as he is originally a Londoner with Hungarian background which gives him a deep understanding of European culture and politics. And as someone who served in the Trump White House he has seen many attacks from the left and from The GOP on DJT. The most recent indictment (No 3) is just the latest attack from the establishment who fear President Trump more than anyone else. There is no end to their hate and fear of MAGA. Dr Gorka also discusses election integrity and the lack of action to protect this process before moving onto the latest sorry saga in the Hunter soap opera (an appointed special counsel) and we finish up by looking at Dr Gorka's 2016 book "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War" and why this topic is no longer part of the conversation.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka was named as the newest Talk Show Host on the Salem Radio Network Platform, and began his show AMERICA FIRST on New Years Day, 2019. His ascent to this role could not have been more unusual, or more of a true “American Story.”To find out how it began, you have to go back to the 1950s, to Communist controlled Hungary.Hoping for freedom after the utter devastation of the Second War, the proud nation of Hungary was instead taken over by a Stalinist dictatorship subordinate to Moscow. One young man, who had suffered under the Nazis, decided to resist and so Paul Gorka created a secret Christian student organization to subvert the Communist stranglehold of his homeland. Paul was eventually betrayed by the British double-agent Kim Philby, arrested by the Secret Police, tortured and then given a life sentence for fighting for democracy and liberty.After two years in solitary confinement, two years down a prison coal mine, and two years in the central political prison in Budapest, Paul was eventually liberated by the brave freedom fighters of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. With the 17-year old daughter of a fellow political prisoner, Paul escaped across the minefields along the border of Western Hungary to a life of liberty in the UK, where Paul and Susan would be married and their son, Sebastian, was born.With parents who had lived as children under fascism and then escaped Communist Hungary, Sebastian was raised to love freedom. And his love of talk-radio developed early. As a child he would listen late into the night to the shows of the London Broadcasting Company with a small transistor radio under his pillow. It was with this special family background, and growing up under the influence of the Conservative warrior Margaret Thatcher, that Sebastian learned how to fight totalitarian ideologies, be they Fascism, Communism, or Global Jihadism.He would end up serving in the British Army reserve in a Military Intelligence unit, then after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in the first freely-elected Conservative administration in Hungary. The after the 9/11 attacks he became a professor on a Pentagon-funded counter-terrorism program run out of Germany.In 2008 he moved to America with his family where he continued to work for the Defense Department and become a proud American citizen in 2012. He obtained his doctorate in Political Science from Corvinus University in Budapest and was a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. In Washington, he served as Associate Dean for Congressional Affairs and Relations to the Special Operations Community at National Defense University and has also taught on the Masters program at Georgetown University.In 2020, President Donald Trump named Gorka to the National Security Education Board. This board provides strategic consultation and was established by congressional act in 1991.Dr. Gorka has briefed the CIA, the DIA, the US Navy Seals, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, served as an expert for the DoJ during the Boston Bombing trial, and testified before Congress on the threat of Global Jihadism. He remains a guest instructor at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, at Fort Bragg, the home of the Green Berets.
Connect with Dr Gorka....X:  https://twitter.com/SebGorka?s=20GETTR:  https://gettr.com/user/sebgorkaTRUTH:  https://truthsocial.com/@SebGorkaSUBSTACK:  https://substack.com/@sebastiangorkaWEBSITE:  https://www.sebgorka.com/
Interview recorded 16.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.Sebastian Gorka. You will, of course, know him from his media time, but also his time in the White House. But we start this conversation looking at his background. He was born in the UK, grew up in London, also lived in Budapest for 16 years. Hungarian is his first language, and he brings a unique perspective, I think, to the US, understanding UK and US culture and politics more than most others. But then we of course get on to President Trump and his latest indictment. Number three, he will need a trophy cabinet to collect these. We discuss what exactly is happening. We discuss election integrity. We discuss David Wise being the special counsel, on the Hunter Biden case. And then we end up with something completely different, looking at Islam or Islamism or Jihad. The first book I read of Sebastian was Defeating Jihad, The Winnable War.A lot to pack in, in 45 minutes. 
Dr. Sebastian Gorka, it is wonderful to have you with us today.Thank you for your time. 
(Dr Sebastian Gorka)
Thank you for inviting me today. 
Not all. And obviously, @SebGorka on Twitter, GETTR, Substack is there, Sebastian Gorka, America first, what, every day, Monday to Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Time. There's a lot. And of course your latest book, The War for America's Soul, is out and available. Lots to discuss, but if I can mention your website on your merchandise.I loved it. sebastiangorkastore.com. First of all, your FBI, Fascist Bureau of Intimidation, but then your LGBTQ, which I thought was lovely.You looked well in LGBTQ, let's get Biden to quit. I loved it.
Yeah, it's sad. The FBI t-shirt, Fascist Bureau of Intimidation is now our second hottest selling item on the website, SebGorkaStore.com.And even before that, I designed a mug.With a photograph of the Gestapo and an FBI agent in his raid jacket with the big letters FBI.And this was six months ago, or maybe it was after the raid on President Trump's home.And I said, you know, 80 years from Germany to the United States, the FBI, Biden's Gestapo.And my producer, who's a pretty forward-leaning guy, pretty hardcore conservative, he said, that's a little bit too much, Seb.Yeah, that's a little bit.That is like the number one item, because sadly, and this kind of, I don't wanna go into too much detail here, but before I joined the White House, I did a lot of work with the FBI. I trained them.I trained literally thousands of agents and intelligence analysts on the ideology of Jihad.That was my job with my wife.We had the only external contract providing that kind of training to the Bureau.And I was proud to do that. Now, after what the FBI has become, raiding the homes of pro-life ministers, raiding President Trump's home on a trumped up garbage documents charge.If the FBI knocked on my door right now, Peter, I'd tell them, go talk to my lawyers, sod off.I mean, this is what has happened to America under the radical leftist neo-Marxist cabal that is today's Democrat Party.Its bonkers and I want to end with that touch on the Islam on the jihad because Defeating Jihad was at the first time I came across a book by you and I remember, it is this book here Defeating Jihad, fantastic book but we'll we will end off on that but if I can maybe start with, I mean you don't you don't need an introduction even for a UK audience, it's your, but you're not the typical, U.S. media or political personality. Your military, national security and political background is British and European. Do you want to touch on that because that sets you apart from many others?
Yeah, I appreciate it. So yeah, I've had a pretty crazy whirlwind of a career. My parents escaped communist Hungary during the revolution in 56. My father created a secret Catholic student's organization in college to undermine the communist takeover.He was betrayed by Kim Philby, one of the Cambridge Apostles, one of the worst traitors of the Cold War.He was arrested at the age of 20, tortured and given a life sentence in a political prison.After six years, he was liberated literally by the revolutionaries who captured a Soviet tank in 56.And with the 17-year-old daughter of a fellow prisoner, he escaped to the West over a minefield, They made it to the UK.A few years later, they were married and those are my parents.I grew up in the UK, speaking Hungarian. My first language was Hungarian.I learned English in preschool and kindergarten.
Hungarian is a difficult language.It is, yeah. According to the State Department, it is the hardest non-pictographic language.So if you leave out Chinese and Korean, it's the hardest non-pictographic because it's not related to anything.You can learn the Romance languages, the Indo-European languages.It's irrelevant. it is this kind of Martian language in the middle of Europe.I think it wires your brain differently. It's good for cognitive capacity if you can speak that language and other ones.Then in college, so I went to London University. In college, a buddy of ours used to disappear every two weeks and wouldn't come out drinking with us.One Friday, I said to him, dude, you're coming out with us this weekend.He said, no, I can't.Where are you going? And he refused to tell me. And I said, well, I'm not going to let you go unless you tell me where you're going. And he said, I can't tell you, but why don't you come with me?And I was this long-haired philosophy and theology student. I had hair down to my chin and kind of like on a bet, on a dare, I said, oh, okay.So I followed my buddy to this unmarked building in downtown London, this red brick building.And it turned out to be the headquarters of the Military Intelligence Reserve.So the intelligence cause TA element in London, and it was selection weekend.And I was given a pair of overalls with about 30 other people.And I'd driven in a lorry to the middle of nowhere.And I did selection for this weird iconoclastic bunch of eccentrics in the intelligence core.And I loved it. I mean, linguists, interrogators, photographic interpreters.So I joined the territorial army intelligence core in college, loved it.Then the whole communist system collapses.And because I spoke Hungarian, French, German, and English and had served in a British military unit.That parlayed itself into a job working for the first conservative, freely elected government in Hungary.So I ended up working as an assistant to the deputy minister of defense, helping the former Warsaw Pact Hungary get into NATO.So, that was milestone number two. And then just to cut it short, 9-11 hits, I had a bit of background in counterterrorism.And I'm invited to teach on a Pentagon-funded counterterrorism training course out of Germany.There's this beautiful base the Americans never gave back to the Germans after World War II.It's called Garmisch-Partenkirchen in the Marshall Center.And for four years, I would commute between Budapest and Bavaria.And I teach counterterrorism to a group of international officers.And eventually that translated to me and my American wife and our kids moving to America.I became a U.S. citizen, a professor of irregular warfare at National Defense University, at the Marine Corps University.And the last kind of milestone is the book you held up. The book, Defeating Jihad, got onto people's radar screens and helped me to get a job in the White House working for President Trump.I was deputy assistant to the president for strategy based upon all the work I'd done in counter-terrorism.And now I have a national radio show, And God's been very good to me, Peter.Funny, from Ealing to Budapest to D.C, it's quite a journey. Can I, because in the US, I think probably from my point of view, there's only maybe Steve Hilton and Raheem Kassam who have an understanding of what happens over in Europe, both in being heavily involved in politics in the UK.So you're kind of a fish out of water there, and see things quite differently.I mean, the whole election integrity stuff, I know watching the votes coming in in London many times, it is a paper ballot.We would never consider an electronic voting machine. So you see things quite differently that way.Well, I do. And I'm kind of galled by the fact that, look, there's only one flag on the moon, and it's America's flag.And there's six of them. So we managed, out of all the nations on God's green earth, to send men to the moon half a dozen times.And we can't have modern elections run in ways that are fitting for a superpower.I mean, think about it.We don't have voter ID. In many states of the union, you don't have to prove who you are when you go and vote.You say who you are.They look up your name and your address. And if you can confirm the address in the big record in front of the poll worker, you're given a ballot and you vote, which is asinine.Democrats say showing an ID at the polling station is voter suppression of minorities, which of course is the most bigoted thing you can say because you're saying black people and brown people are too stupid to get a driver's license is really what the Democrats are saying.And not only that, thanks to COVID and many other things, we don't have an election day.Here in Virginia, I live just outside Washington, D.C. in Virginia, which is now run by a conservative governor, but even he has failed to change the fact that in the Commonwealth of Virginia, this probably shock your listeners, and if you don't believe anything I say, please do look it up.We have 45 days of voting.We vote for a month and a half before the election, which is just asinine.I mean, Mexico, which is in the midst of a drug-fueled insurgency, has voter ID.India, with a billion people, has voter ID. And the fact that we can't count our votes on election day and it's one day, and we don't have voter ID, it tells you why things like 2020 can happen.Okay, let's talk about President Trump. We've just seen another indictment.I'm kind of thinking he's gonna have to have a trophy cabinet of all these indictments because they're building up.What on earth is going on?
Well, yeah, he posted on his social media site, Truth Social, last week after the third indictment here in Washington, DC.He, you know, tongue-in-cheek, he said, well, one more indictment and I've got this election sewn up.It's insane, I mean, utterly insane.And he's right. I mean, every time, you know, they drop another, you know, facetious, false indictment, his popularity actually increases.What's going on? I'll tell you what's going on. President Trump is a force of nature.In 2016, he got 64 million votes.Four years later, after being called a racist, a misogynist, an Islamophobe, a Nazi, and a white supremacist for four years by the mainstream media, he got 10 million more votes, which is unheard of. He got 74 million votes, the most of any incumbent president in history, despite the fact that the Democrats mailed out 81 million ballots to be not voted on on election day, but to be filled in by somebody somewhere and then posted back or dropped into collective ballot harvesting boxes. So despite all of the shenanigans, he gets more votes than any incumbent president. Now they don't have COVID, to have that cover of mailing out ballots, and they're very worried. The Uni-party, and look, I said this when I was in the White House.I said it when I left the White House, Donald Trump won despite the Republican Party and not thanks to the Republican Party.He is a deadly threat to the vested interests of the Uni-party, as Steve Bannon calls it.Why? Because he's not owned by any of their special interests.He's not owned by the Chamber of Commerce that owns the GOP.He's not owned by Big Oil or Big Pharma.He's not owned by the unions like the Democrats are. He is a clear and present dangerto the quote-unquote political elite that just wants to control the lives of 330 million people, irrespective of what those people want. So, you know, the Democrats have to put him in prison.He's now, depending on which poll you look at, Peter, he's 20 to 40 points ahead of his nearest rival, the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis. I mean, he is the de facto Republican nominee, and in the latest polling, he's beating Biden as well. So they're just desperate. They are throwing everything at him. This latest indictment, I know your listeners probably won't watch it or read it.
This latest indictment is so Kafka-esque. It's so KGB tactics.They have indicted Mayor Giuliani, one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, who put five Mafia dons in prison when he was a prosecutor in New York prior to becoming the mayor of New York. They have indicted him for conspiracy because he retweeted a tweet saying, please call your state representatives and senators to request a special session so we can verify the results of the election. That tweet is deemed to be a felony by this woman, this prosecutor in Fulton County, who by the way, a little bit of a delicious tidbit, is the daughter of a former Black Panther extremist. I mean, you cannot make this stuff up. They have to stop him because he's not controlled by them. 
And I mean what happened to Rudy was intriguing living through 9-11 watching America's mayor as he became and absolutely loved and yet because of his support for Trump the establishment just turns on him. I mean apart from Trump that he is the biggest example of the lunacy of the establishment. Yeah I mean look at you know go back and just Google 9-11 and Rudy Giuliani, and you'll see the cover of Newsweek, the cover of Time.He's standing there at ground zero on the pile of rubble.He's getting the New Yorkers back on their feet after 3,000 Americans and others were murdered by jihadi terrorists.And now he's some kind of traitor who should be given 200 years in prison.But look, it's not about Rudy. I mean, it happens to everybody.It happens to me or anybody else who works for the president or supports the president.But look at what happened to him. Remember Donald Trump five years ago.No, no, let's go six years ago. Let's go 10 years ago.Donald Trump was loved by everybody. I mean, rap singers rapped about being the Donald.You know, he would have lauded cameo appearances in, you know, Home Alone 2, the movie.He had, for 14 years, the most popular reality TV show in America.The Apprentice was the most popular reality TV show in America.He was loved. Everybody wanted to be the Donald. Everybody.The second he comes down the escalator, The second, he says, I'm a conservative and I want to be your president, he's the devil incarnate.This tells you what you're dealing with. This is who the left have become. This isn't your grandfather or even your father's Democrat party. Strong national security, pro-life, Catholics.The likes of JFK or Scoop Jackson, they would not be allowed into today's Democrat party.Today's left is open borders, if you're white, you're an oppressor, America is bad.This is what we're dealing with.So I've long said on my radio show, forget political labels, forget little r or little d, it's not conservative or liberal, it's not Republican or Democrat.The dividing line today in America and for much of our civilization is whether you love the country or not. If you love America, then you're in one tribe.If you hate America, then you're going to vote Democrat. Think about Obama, and it all starts with Obama.Obama said what during the election campaign?He said, I am going to fundamentally change this nation.Now, I don't know if you're married, Peter, but imagine if you said to your wife, I'm going to fundamentally change you, right? I don't think your wife would be too happy.You don't fundamentally change anything you love. You fundamentally change things you don't like or you hate. This is the perverse situation our civilization is in. We are being lorded over by people who hate the countries they come from and the civilizations they live in.I mean, translate it into another sector. Imagine you're a businessman and you utterly detest Coca-Cola.Why would you want to become the CEO of Coca-Cola, right? I mean, I don't know how these – it's perverse.Why would you wish to be in charge of that which you detest, unless, of course, you want to destroy it?
Well, we're seeing that self-hatred across Europe, all on the left, where the left has abandoned its working class roots and become part of this woke agenda.But then the whole MAGA is a pushback on that and it's something different.It's not just the normal Republicans wanting states to be read. It's actually winning back the country and as someone in the UK it's fascinating watching the rise of the MAGA movement that puts your own country first which should be the norm.Yeah, I mean, think about it. You are lambasted. People are literally cancelled if they're public figures and they put on a red hat with the, letters M A G A.And what does that hat say? Is it a swastika?Is it the hammer and sickle, which would be fine, of course, for the left?No, it means make America great again.So you must be excoriated. You must be completely isolated and shunned from polite society if you want to make your country great again.I mean, it's truly beggar's belief, and again, it's not politics.I don't read autobiographies. I don't have the patience for autobiographies, but there's two.If you want to understand what's happened to America, there's two that I can't recommend more, and they're really life-changing, especially Andrew Breitbart's Righteous Indignation.His book on how as a drunk, mindless student at Tulane University, he suddenly became a conservative because he saw what they were doing to a black judge because he dared to be a nominee to the Supreme Court, and a conservative.This is the Clarence Thomas hearings.And chapter six of his book, Righteous Indignation, if you want to understand what the left has become, he paints it all from Antonio Gramsci in an Italian prison cell all the way through the Frankfurt School to Alinsky to Clinton to Obama.It is a masterpiece. So his book, Read Righteous Indignation.If you want to know what happened to conservative politics and to America, I was in the White House and it was Thanksgiving weekend and my boss Steve Bannon said, hey, you've got to read this book by J.D. Vance called Hillbilly Elegy.And I'm like, not interested. My wife had a copy of it.And it was Thanksgiving weekend. Went away for the long weekend.And I read the whole book that weekend. And the interesting about J.D. is, he's from a hillbilly family. He's from a real country, working class family.And he was no Trump supporter. When he wrote this, he was not a fan of Trump.Now he's a very Trumpian senator in DC.He's one of only two senators out of a hundred that I'll let on my show because he's a citizen politician, not a career politician.And in his book, which you can read in two days, three days.He just chronicles what happened to the working class in America through the eyes of his family.So how the people who literally built America, who travelled from Tennessee, from Kentucky to Ohio, became the factory workers, facilitated this incredible blossoming of prosperity and freedom after World War II, how basically the Republican Party took a massive dump on them 50 years ago and said, we can make stuff cheaper in China, we can make stuff cheaper in Mexico, we don't need factories in America, and consciously destroyed these families and said, yeah, fentanyl, who cares about fentanyl? Who cares about working class overdoses? We need to get the next shareholder meeting to demonstrate double digit growth for our companies.So this is why MAGA, this is why Brexit, this is why Maloney, this is why Modi.Because it's not party politics, it's people saying, you know what, my nation matters, and the people who built that nation matter, and we don't want to have career politicians who don't give a crap about the will of the people who say, I will represent you, become elected, and then do the polar opposite of what they were elected to do.So it's not about President Trump. It's about a global phenomenon, of the recrudescence of national sovereignty.And it's so fascinating that, you know, the word populism is a dirty word, which is, you have to stop for a second.Populism? You mean policies that are popular with the majority of the people, that's bad.If that's bad, you're either a communist or a fascist.And by the way, let's be clear, fascism is a left-wing policy. If you look at who Mussolini was, who invented fascism, it wasn't Hitler. The fasces is an ancient Roman symbol. If you look at the fact that he was an ardent communist before he invented fascism in the 1920s, you have to understand what these people are, whether they're AOC, whether they're Bernie Sanders, or whether they're Obama, whether they're you know, Klaus Schwab.These are fascists.No completely. We're seeing, actually it's exciting, the rise in populism, with many populist parties doing extremely well in Europe, until the poll, until the election, often in Spain, once we're going to have a majority with the party on the right, and suddenly they don't get that. Now the AFD, they're discussing banning the AFD because they're polling second in Germany. It's kind of the same tactics that we're seeing in America, more brazen, but we're seeing those same tactics to silence populism in Europe as well.Yeah, there's, this isn't well understood, so how we got here and what happened in 15 and 16, I strongly recommend to your viewers, there's a genius level guy who's been on my show several times, he was the head of cyber for the State Department in the Trump administration, His name is Mike Benz, B-E-N-Z, and you should get him on your show.I'm happy to connect you. And Mike Benz kind of, he made the light bulb go off for me because he explains, and he has a website called the Foundation for Freedom Online, where he has all the receipts, all the documents, all the inside video conferences from, you know, the global elitists admitting what they're doing.And Mike Benz, his huge contribution is the following. The foreign policy elite, which is totally Uniparty, right?I mean, let's be clear. The Republicans, the Democrats, when it comes to being a global police and blah, blah, blah, there's been a unanimity on that since the 1990s.And the foreign policy elite, quote unquote, built a complete superstructure to target and undermine populism abroad, whether it's Orbán in Hungary, whether it's Brexit with Obama coming and telling the British, you better not vote for independence because you'll be at the back of the queue, giggle, giggle, right?So for 30 years, they've created a system to undermine populist movements in other countries saying, oh, that's not good for us.So let's have a system where we're funding these NGOs, undermining conservatives because they're scary and fascist.And then what happened after 30 years of building this infrastructure to target the likes of Orbán or Brexiteers, when Trump comes along, what do they do?It's like the gun turrets of the ship turn from facing outwards to facing inwards.And the quote-unquote disinformation tools, the censorship tools, were targeted against populists at home. Again, do not take my word for it.Go and look at the unclassified documentation of how the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security were meeting with Twitter executives in Palo Alto on a weekly basis to have individual accounts deleted.How the story of Hunter Biden's laptop, which is, you know, all of the crimes of the Biden family, was suppressed by Palo Alto.And when that story broke, when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke four weeks before the election in 2020, you know, I tried to retweet it on my account.You couldn't, if you cut and paste the link onto your Twitter and you try to press post, it would refuse to post.Now that, you know, that's okay, I guess, I guess if you're trying to undermine an election in Cuba, but if you're doing it at home in front of your own citizens, that's when the light bulb goes off and you realize, yeah, these are fascists using fascist tools to control information to what end?Not to protect us from some boogeyman, but to maintain their grasp on power.Well, let me ask you on that issue, because I think a few days ago, program was sweetheart deal, David Wise is now special counsel. And I was trying to scratch my head trying to understand this because it seemed to be good, but then why is this happening now?For what reason? What is Biden playing at in putting this in play now? And then it was really David Wise was good, then not. So what is happening on that? But we've had Miranda Devine, Garrett Ziegler. We've discussed the stuff on Hunter, but suddenly this appears out of nowhere.Well, it's very easy to explain why, because they have to protect the Biden's for the next 15 months.I mean, remember, David Weiss is the Wilmington, Delaware, U.S. attorney who investigated Hunter Biden for four years, waited until last month to give him a sweetheart deal with universal immunity that he didn't disclose to the judge, and the judge exploded in Wilmington, Delaware, to give him a universal immunity deal on the felonious handgun purchase, the non-payment of taxes.He waited for all the other crimes to expire past their five-year statute of limitations.So he's the guy who's protected the Biden's for five years.And now, because of the pressure on the Biden's, his boss at the Department of Justice, the Attorney General, makes him, quote-unquote, special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden even further.Why? Well, very simply, if he's still under investigation, you can't ask questions about him in Congress.That's the buried lead.If an individual is under quote-unquote active investigation, when the attorney general is next testifying in front of Congress, and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee says, We want to talk about the $20 million that was sent to Hunter Biden from China and then split up amongst the family, including Joe.The attorney general says, excuse me, Mr. Chairman, this is an ongoing case I cannot comment.So it's just blatant political top cover from an existing biased individual.And by the way, it's also fascinating, if you read the statute, the statute in black and white says a special counsel is appointed when there is conflict of interest.The reigning regime, because of their implied connections, cannot fairly investigate a case.You hire somebody from outside of government.You find a lawyer, an attorney, a judge who's not part of the federal government to be the ombudsman, to be the fair investigator. You can't hire your flunky deputy from Wilmington.So the whole thing is in contravention of statute itself. But why?Because they have to protect Biden for the next 15 months.On to, at CPAC, I heard many of the candidates speak, except DeSantis, and I heard him speak in Florida a month before at CNP. And as much as I love what DeSantis has done in Florida, but my thinking is if Trump is in the ring, you don't get in the ring. You can't win. And like some of the other candidates, they're maybe looking for a position in the White House.DeSantis thinks he can beat Trump or, I mean, explain that because Trump has an unassailable lead. Why would you be crazy enough to step into the ring and try and beat him?
Well, look, ego. I mean, why are people like that fat embarrassment, Chris Christie, or losers like Asha Hutchinson that nobody's heard of? Why are they running? Or Mike Pence.Mike Pence's political career after January 6th is dead. I mean, it is forever dead.The guy who said 48 hours, I played the video on my show multiple times last week, the guy who says two days before January 6th.Yes, there were serious problems with the election, and we're going to find out, and I'm going to do my duty as president of the Senate.And then he caves, the yellow belly completely collapses. That guy, nobody's, anybody who supported President Trump, or 74 million of them, none of them are going to vote for him, who ran and hid. So why the heck is he running? So there's a saying in Hungary that these are the people who if they jumped off their ego onto their IQ, they'd be committing suicide.So a lot of these people, it's just totally out of touch ego. For Vivek, who's been very deferential to President Trump, but has said, look, there are people who will vote for me who won't vote for Trump, which is fine. You can say that. But he's the guy who went to Miami the day of the president's arraignment, said, if I'm elected, I'm going to pardon President Trump.And he's sitting there with a truth social hat on, President Trump's media app. This guy is playing it very smart. I had him on my show multiple times and said, Vivek, you're not going to win, But I'd love to see you as the Jared Kushner of a second Trump term.You're an incredibly successful private business entrepreneur.You should be the innovation guy in the next Trump cabinet. So he's playing a very canny game.When it comes to DeSantis, I said on my radio show maybe two years ago, or at least a year and a half ago, if he's smart.He comes in as the vice president. He supports President Trump, he runs with him, and then in 2028, he just slides into the top slot. If he knows what he's doing, that's what he does.And he has just, it's like, you know, during the Vietnam War, it's like there's peace protesters that poured gasoline on themselves, poured petrol on themselves, and then, you know, self-immolated.This campaign has self-immolated for a couple of very clear reasons.Number one, and even off the record, his fans will tell you this, he's a charismatic black hole.I mean, he has no charisma. I think he's on the scale. I think he's a little bit on the scale and he doesn't have, he has a little bit of that autistic incapacity to socialize.That's why his wife is essential. His wife is this beautiful, charming, erudite woman.She kind of makes up for his complete lack of charm.So number one, you gotta charm voters. Number two, his, I call it his honour deficit.I mean, what he said on the Monday after the brag, the New York indictments were leaked against President Trump was appalling.I mean, just utterly appalling. He made two quips about, I don't know about hush money for porn stars, giggle, giggle, right, as the governor of Florida. And then he says, I'm not gonna get involved because I've got business in Florida.Hey, dickhead, President Trump lives in Florida. Look at the map.Mar-a-Lago is in Florida. He is a citizen of the state over which you preside, and you're not gonna get involved.And lastly, if you know his backstory, the most galling of all, he's a former JAG.He's a former member of the Judge Advocate Corps, which means what?He's a former military prosecutor.Of all people, the probity of the judiciary should be of importance to him.And he says, I'm not gonna get involved.When a prosecutor in Manhattan deletes the statute of limitations.Expunges it so he can charge President Trump with something that happened years ago that didn't happen, and you don't have an opinion?I mean, utter, utter honesty and integrity deficit. And you know, the dumbest thing of all?All he needed to say, just one sentence, this is an outrage and it should outrage all conservatives and I will not stand for it as governor of the Florida, of the state in which President Trump lives. One sentence and he would have looked like a leader. And then one additional thing, I'm not sure percentage wise, but for a lot of people who care about foreign policy, his utter U-turn on Ukraine was a disaster. When he says on, I think it was Tucker's show, So, we don't care about this, it's not relevant, he gets a lot of crap, and then 72 hours later he says, oh yes, Ukraine is important, dude.This is the only thing you had to prove something on, okay? You've been running Florida, you've got a little bit of domestic credentials, the one thing you have to convince people of is your foreign affairs national security credentials.When you do a 180 on war in Europe, not a good look, not a good look.
What are your thoughts on how we've seen three indictments, as I said, the more they do, the more Trump's support goes up.And I guess every MAGA wants that mugshot of Trump because what they're trying is not working.His support going up and they thought they could I guess embarrass conservative voters to make them think he was too toxic. It's not working and yet they keep trying. Do they keep on that tactic? Do they try something else? Because at the moment it's not working. 
Well look you're trying you're trying to get me to, channel lunatics. What they're doing isn't rational. What they're doing is. When you believe, I mean, let's just say one example.This individual has been labelled by the left, by Democrats, and by the mainstream media, the mainstream media, as a Nazi and a white supremacist, as an anti-Semite.This is the man who, after 23 years of broken promises from Clinton to Bush to Obama, 23 years of presidents saying, yeah, yeah, we're going to move the embassy, broken promises for 23 years, President Trump comes in and says, yeah, we're going to move the embassy and we're going to recognize Jerusalem.That guy whose daughter converted to Judaism, whose grandchildren are Jewish, he's the anti-Semite?I mean, it is a cult. I mean, TDS used to be a joke.Trump derangement syndrome, we threw that around as a joke.It's not a joke. It's a clinical condition. When you accuse a man of being a dictator.Who did nothing dictatorial, in fact, had the most open administration ever, was giving impromptu press conferences for 40 minutes as he's getting on Marine One, the helicopter, That guy's a dictator?, but the people you voted for are literally sending teams of armed FBI agents to bust down the door of a pro-life preacher in Philadelphia in front of his seven screaming kids.But that administration, they're the good guys. So I can't, look, my job, my whole life has been strategy.That's the thing I do. That was my title in the White House.That's based upon reality, empirical evidence, on logic. I can't tell you what their strategy is because it's based upon rank hatred, recuperation, and just irrationality. I mean think about this every indictment, every indictment has made him more popular and raised him more money. I had Lord Black on my show yesterday, Lord Conrad Black, and he said, he made this point that kind of like, boom, you know, kind of obvious, but yeah.Nothing they've done, nothing they've done has hurt him. Zero.So why are they doing it?Because they're insane, and because they think that if they can actually put him in prison, they can get Biden re-elected.And the joy of it all, and this is what I say with some, you know, frequency on my show, is the other side, they're evil bastards.I mean, really, if you are okay with having a 14-year-old girl, healthy girls, breasts removed in the name of transgenderism or chemically castrating a 12-year-old boy because he thinks he's a girl. If you're okay with that, you're actually demonic. I mean, you are pure evil in league with the dark one. So no doubt, evil, cunning evil bastards.But they're also stupid. This is the nice thing about... It's also dangerous because stupid people can be dangerous, but they're really dumb. They don't have a Newt Gingrich. They don't have a Victor Davis Hanson on their side. Thank the good Lord, all right? I mean, they're really dumb because they haven't even read the Constitution, Peter. The Constitution of the United States is pretty clear about who can be president. You have to be in your 30s. You have to be 35 or older.You have to be a natural born citizen, born to Americans. You don't have to be born in America.That's not correct. You have to be born to American citizens and you have to be a permanent resident in America for at least the last 14 years before the election. That's it. You can be a felon.You can have been charged and convicted of crimes that would lead to 400 years in prison.It doesn't matter. You can still be the president. That's how stupid they are.I just want to finish off on the book I mentioned, obviously your latest book, The War for America's Soul, I think that was 2019, and that is available. But I said at the beginning, defeating jihad, the winnable war. Just to finish, just on a completely different subject, the issue of, and for years I've studied Islam, for 10, 12, 13 years, and it's that cultural clash between the freedoms that Islam has and the freedoms the West have and then jihad, Islamism coming out of that. And it's not a topic that seems to be on the table for discussion a lot. And I was intrigued going to CPAC and it wasn't even mentioned and yet that is a threat just as China is a threat, just like many other issues are a threat. And I wanted just to finish on kind of your thoughts on that and why it is not part of the mainstream discussion.
Well, it's not part of the mainstream discussion here in America, and for a very good reason.I mean, think about it.ISIS was on the front pages for years and years and years. I mean, American citizens being beheaded on video, the Yazidi Christian hostage-taking, Jordanian fighter pilots being burnt alive in cages.People forget ISIS was a thing. This was the biggest jihadi insurgency in history.I mean, they controlled multiple countries in the Middle East.And when we came in, we said no. President Trump said, unleash Special Operations Command, unleash Fort Bragg, unleash Delta, and get the stinking lawyers out of the way.I mean, like Shakespeare said, kill the lawyers first.We got the lawyers out of the way, and what happened?We have been told by Obama that ISIS is a generational issue.You're just going to have to suck it up and live with it. He actually said a generational issue.President Trump said, no, kill them all.Within five months of us coming into the administration, the caliphate, the caliphate of ISIS had ceased to be.People forget that. I mean, who talks about ISIS now? Nobody because we let our boys give them all a dirt nap.That's why it's not on the radar screen. Does it mean it's over? No, absolutely not.Does it mean that there won't be jihadi attacks in America because this administration is letting 6,000 illegal immigrants across the border every single day?You think you got it bad with a couple of rubber dinghies in the channel?Try 6,000 a day. We've had at least 40 people on the terrorist watch list come across the border that we know of, that we know of. So I'm not saying it won't come back.Why it's not on the radar screen? Because of the bloody good job our guys did back in 2016 and 2017 and 2018.But no, if you want to understand the threat of jihad, you have to understand that...The biggest lie since 9-11 is that they're not Muslims, right?That Al-Qaeda and ISIS are not Muslims. Well, no, that's actually a lie.Read the Quran. Read chapter 9, verse 29. Hunt down the infidel after the holy month and kill them all unless they surrender.That's not Seb Gorka speaking.That's not Bin Laden. that's actually the word of God as quote-unquote dictated to the illiterate merchant Muhammad you know in Medina in Mecca 1400 years ago. The idea that these are perversions of Islam.Yeah you're an apologist for those who are living a very pure form of Islam because who was Muhammad?He wasn't quote-unquote the last prophet. Muhammad was, if he existed at all, he was what? He was a warrior. He is a man who went to Medina and literally wiped out a whole Jewish tribe, literally wiped out whole Arab polytheistic tribes. To the last man jackal, he killed them.That's who Muhammad was. The idea that it's the religion of peace. Well, then learn Arabic.Islam doesn't mean peace. It means submission. Submission to what? To the will of Allah.And what kind of God is that? It's a very different God from the Jewish God.It's a very, very different God from the Christian God.It is a God of zero relationship to the believer and a man, not a man, a deity who can be utterly capricious.If Allah says murder is good tomorrow, it's good. And he can change his mind the day after and say it's bad.He's not truth. God for Christians is the good. There's no such conceptualization of the good.You're not allowed to describe God, right? You're not allowed to talk about his essence. That is blasphemy.To say that you know God, or you are in relationship with God is totally haram.It is total blasphemy in the Islamic faith.But these are the ground truths that you're not allowed to talk about.But people need to read the Quran, read the Quran, read the reliance of the traveller, read the actual Muslim texts about Muhammad, and then understand why...Here's the last example. Why? There's no such thing as an Arab motorcar.Not only is there no such thing as an Arab motorcar, Peter, there isn't an Arab bicycle.Think about that. That tells you about what this deformed theology has done, to knowledge, truth, and science. The best book on all of this, and it's a short read, it's about 250 pages, is my friend Robert Riley's The Closing of the Muslim Mind.His discussion on the deformed theology that explains why Al-Qaeda, why no Muslim bicycles, Why 9-11? It is mandatory. It was one of the texts I made mandatory for the officers that I trained when I was still a professor. 
Dr. Sebastian Gorka, I appreciate your time today. Thank you so much.
God bless all of you, all of your viewers. Thank you, Peter. Keep doing what you do.