Hearts of Oak Podcast

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

No guest this week as Peter is on his family holidays and is up a mountain, somewhere in South East Europe,but as always, our intrepid leader has a lot to say on some of the news stories, headlines and on social media from the past seven days.Topics up for discussion this episode....- Home Secretary Suella Braverman is under pressure to scrap refugee barge plan after legionella found.- Channel Migrants: The boats are getting bigger.- Hunter Biden: Naming Weiss Special Counsel may not change much.- BBC playing psychological games, as ever. Meet a "typical' NHS junior doctor.- Disney has a 'Dylan Mulvaney' moment as it partners with gender fluid influencer to promote clothing for girls.- Horse-Paste? FDA lawyer declares that doctors can prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19.- More young people are dying – and it's not COVID. Why aren't we searching for answers?- Special "vaccines" for covid employees.- Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's...... Lesbian-Nana!  
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.He is a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Recorded 12.8.23
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Links to articles discussed...Refugee barge https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrivalEnglish Channelhttps://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1689592537407696896?s=20Hunter Bidenhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/11/us/weiss-special-counsel-hunter-biden.htmlNHS junior doctorhttps://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1689916513786937344?s=20Disneyhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12391645/They-learned-Bud-Light-Disney-sparks-outrage-partners-trans-TikTok-influencer-Seann-Altman-seen-dressing-Minnie-Mouse-themed-red-frock-yellow-heels-bow-promote-girls-clothing.htmlIvermectin https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/doctors-can-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid-19-fda-5456584It's not COVIDhttps://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/08/11/more-americans-dying-than-before-pandemic-covid-deaths/70542423007/Special "vaccines" https://rumble.com/v367s7u-20-second-clip-special-vaccines-for-covid-employees.html

Brandon Straka - #WalkAway Campaign and My J6 Story

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Many of you will have seen Brandon Straka in tears after Trump won the Presidential election in 2016. He was a staunch Democrat, distraught at Hillary losing the election and his tears may have amused you then, but fast forward a few years and he is now one of Donald Trump's biggest supporters. Brandon joins Hearts of Oak to discuss why he stepped away from the Democrat Party and started the #WalkAway movement, with a vision to help encourage others just like him to abandon the divisive left. He also got caught up in the J6 madness, on the day Brandon went to Washington DC and moved with the crowd to the steps of the Capitol building, filming on his smartphone. He did not enter the building and left shortly after. Because of this, his house has been raided, his good name dragged through the courts and he has been targeted simply for being there on the day.
Brandon Straka is the founder of the #WalkAway campaign, a former liberal and former democratic party supporter who has very publicly walked away from the political left and created a social movement encouraging others to do the same.     His original YouTube video about his decision to leave the Democratic Party went viral in May of 2018, launching this explosive movement, uniting Americans across all demographics to leave the divisive left.Brandon frequently provides commentary on Fox News as a recurring guest on Justice with Jeanine Pirro, Fox & Friends, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and many more. His hour long, in-depth interview with Mark Levin on Life, Liberty, and that exposed millions to Brandon and the #WalkAway Campaign. President Trump publicly acknowledged his success in organizing the first ever #WalkAway March on Washington DC, with over 5,000 attendees. Brandon’s charismatic leadership and the #WalkAway message of unity and standing up against the left’s attack on American ideals resonates with people around the globe.Born and raised in rural Nebraska and now a resident of New York City, Brandon travels the nation promoting the #WalkAway Campaign message and sharing his desire to bring a new awareness and understanding to the reality of politics in America today and his mission to unify America.
Connect with Brandon and #WalkAway...WEBSITE:      https://www.brandonstraka.com/                     https://walkawaysocial.com/X:                  https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka?s=20                     https://twitter.com/RealWalkAway?s=20GETTR:          https://gettr.com/user/brandonstrakaRUMBLE:       https://rumble.com/user/BrandonStraka
Interview recorded 20.7.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Brandon Straka. He started the walk away movement when he walked away from the Democrat Party and went to the Republican Party, and we discuss why he set that up. Many people are disillusioned, but few start a movement, and the walk away campaign has been championed by everyone.Kari Lake recently, Donald J. Trump supported it and promoted it, and he was on every TV station whenever he launched the campaign. So we talk about that and why he got involved in that.And then on to J6, he's been caught up in January the 6th simply for filming outside on that day.And he talks about the FBI raiding his house, like a SWAT team holding them for days in jail.And what has happened in that? And also the lack of support from the Republicans.They clamoured for his support on the walk away campaign, but don't seem to be as interested in his story on J6. A lot to discuss and you will love listening to Brandon and you'll love his website which is one of the quirkiest websites I have come across in quite a a while.Brandon Straka, it is wonderful to have you with us. Thank you so much for your time today.
(Brandon Straka)
Thanks for having me. 
Not all great to have you and Brandon's links are @BrandonStraka on social media, brandonstraka.com website, and of course he's the founder of the #WalkAway campaign, former liberal, former democratic party supporter who publicly walked away in 2018. We'll get into to all of that and walkawaysocial.com.All the links are in the description. Please do check it out.But Bran, before I go into your background, I just want to bring up your website because I love your website. It stands out.It's that Batman, Robin cartoon nostalgia.I absolutely love it. I looked down and thought, I feel so jealous.So I just love your website.
Thank you. Oh, that's very kind. I, yeah, we, I designed that several years ago. And kind of meticulously worked with a graphic designer to put it all together. And it's, I'm glad to hear you say that because, you know, obviously the last couple of years of my life have been less than fun. And so sometimes, I don't know, sometimes I look at that website now and I'm like, does that really reflect who I am and how I feel and whatever?But ultimately, I'm glad to hear that somebody else loves the way that it looks, so that's good to hear. Thank you.
It just gave me a big smile. Good. I know the content is great, but just that that hit you at the beginning, so thank you for that.But Brandon, maybe go back to maybe give a little bit of your intro to our probably 80 percent, 75% UK audience, 20% US audience.Maybe give a little intro to yourself and then on to what it meant to define yourself as a liberal and part of or follower of the Democratic Party.Sure. Yeah, so basically, I guess my story is, obviously, I'm an American citizen who grew up in the Midwest in a small town in a state called Nebraska. I don't know how familiar people in the UK are with our states, but it's, you know, very kind ofagriculture driven state, lots of corn and cows and things like that. And that's where I grew up. I'm a gay guy who knew early on in life that I was gay. So to me, it was kind of important that I wanted to get out of a very kind of rural environment. And I always, well, and, you know, I don't know if it's to what degree it's because I'm gay or not, but I'm also, I think in my blood, just sort of a city person. So always wanted to move to New York City or somewhere kind of very fast paced and exciting. So after I graduated from high school, I moved to New York City. And, you know, I was a liberal my entire life. A lot of that was very influenced, I think, by the fact that I was gay growing up at a time when gay rights and gay cultural issues were very much wedge issues in politics and culture. And so I naturally found myself a part of the Democratic Party and the ideology of liberalism and all of my friends were liberals.I moved to New York City because I wanted to pursue an artist's life, really.I mean, I act and I sing and I consider myself a creative person.And so I wanted to kind of just go and live that kind of life at that kind of pace and sort of find my way.And so I adhered and I was very much devoted to the Democrat party, my entire adult life up until the year 2017, which would have been, um, you know, immediately after the 2016 election, between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, I voted for Hillary in 2016. I had just come off of voting for Barack Obama twice, in 2000, what eight in 2012. And, I was convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to win because that's what the media kept telling us was going to happen.I mean, they kept saying that Donald Trump was, you know, dangerous and deranged and his followers were dangerous and deranged, but they also kind of kept saying, but don't really worry about it too much because his, he's got no chance of winning.She's going to win in a landslide.It's going to be the most insane upstate, you know, landslide victory in history and actually on election day in 2016 they gave her like a 97 to 99 percent chance of winning. I remember reading polls that day that said he had a three percent or less chance of winning.Obviously, that's not how the election turned out. And so when he got elected in November of 2016, I was shattered and devastated and confused and I was angry and I was scared.Because again, the media that I trusted kept saying that this was a rise in bigotry and white supremacy and homophobia and xenophobia and all of these different things.And so I spent about two weeks after the 2016 election paralyzed with fear and anger and resentment and I mean, to the point of almost feeling somewhat dysfunctional because the media had really brainwashed everybody on the left to believe that anybody who supported Donald Trump was a horrible person who wanted to do harm to minorities and take people's rights away and roll back, you know, our progress and all of these different things.So, you know, even living in New York City, as I did, I spent weeks after the 2016 election walking down the street or being on the subway and kind of just looking around and being like, did you vote for him?Did you vote for him? Did you vote for him? You know, just one, because obviously people did.And so I was just wondering, well, where, who are all these covert bigots that live amongst us and how much danger am I actually in?And so after a few weeks of going through this kind of paralyzing fear and anxiety and all these things, I thought to myself, this is going to be a very long and very miserable four years if I don't try to get some sort of understanding about what happened.And so initially I just kind of went on this journey to understand two things.How did the media get it so wrong?And two, why would anybody vote for Donald Trump? And that started this journey.And I've been talking for a while, so I'll stop. But that's what began the journey of exploration, to try to understand how this happened and how the media got it so wrong. Then there were more specific moments that ultimately led to the switch in me.
Yeah, I've watched your videos you put out and you talk about friends sending you video clips and showing what the media tried to cover up.But I guess probably for me being someone on the right, I would have looked at your videos and enjoyed them, the ones of you crying and mocked. I think those of us on the right tend to mock those on the left, instead of winning them over.But so that's why I love the whole walkaway campaign because you've tried to win people over.So tell us how you went from all the way on the Democrat side to actually realizing that Trump wasn't really as bad as what he was made out, to actually beginning to pull people over because you could have just walked away from the Democrat party and that was it.
Yeah, you're right. Okay, so while I was kind of on this exploratory journey, there was this moment that happened that was completely transformative.And that was in January of 2017, would have been right around the time he was about to take office.I had posted on Facebook that essentially that I would never be able to understand how anyone could vote for a man who was capable of mocking a reporter's disability in front of a cheering crowd.You know, and you know, what the hell is wrong with this guy?What is wrong with all of you that voted for him? You know, what happened to the heart and soul of people in middle America or on the conservative side of the aisle?And that's when a woman named Diane, who used to babysit me when I was a kid, reached out to me privately. She sent me a link to a YouTube video that was entitled debunking that Trump mocked the disabled reporter.And she sent me this video that you know when I first saw the title of the video I was kind of outraged and just sort of like, oh god. This is gonna be more right-wing, propaganda and brainwashing and then I got kind of excited to watch it. So because I was like oh, I can't wait to watch this so I can tell her how stupid she is for falling for it. And so I click play and what I saw was a compilation of footage showing Donald Trump numerous times throughout the years, even back before he ran for president, doing that same voice and that same gesture that he did at his rally that day when he was accused of mocking a reporter's disability.But the commonality in every instance was that he was imitating somebody or making fun of somebody who was caught in a lie.Somebody who was flustered and somebody who was flailing because they had been caught doing something shady or being dishonest.And so it showed very conclusively and compellingly that Donald Trump did not mock that reporter's disability.What he was making fun of was the fact that that reporter who happened to be disabled had been caught in a lie.And so it really opened my eyes for the first time and a light went on sort of going, wait a minute.First of all, he obviously didn't really make fun of that reporter's disability, but second of all, if he didn't do that, why are outlets like CNN and MSNBC and others trying to make me believe that he did.And so that's when this journey that I was going on went into overdrive because I was like, well, how often is this happening?You know, because they very effectively manipulated my emotions and my outrage and my anger to make me believe something happened that didn't happen.And obviously with an intent to elicit some sort of reaction from me, that was very disturbing.So, how often is this happening and why?And so for the next several months, I basically did a deep dive trying to research how often the media is lying and manipulating and what the end game is and how often this is happening. And what I ultimately discovered is that it's constant, it's relentless, it's happening all the time. And they're putting a particular focus on if you're black or brown or LGBT or a minority of some kind, they're manipulating everybody.But if you're a minority, they're specifically targeting you and manipulating and exploiting your fear, your feeling of disenfranchisement, your feeling that you don't, have the same opportunities or the same chance in this country as other people do.And they're exploiting all of that. And they're doubling down and making you, they're never letting you forget that, that feeling inside of you, they're reinforcing it and making you believe that it's true.And then they're also telling you, and the only thing that you can do about this feeling that you have is support the democratic party, is be a part of the ideology of the political left, because these are the only people that care about you. This is, these are the only people that are looking out for your best interests are fighting on your behalf.And the Republicans hate you. The Republican party is out to get you.They want to take your rights away. They want to suppress you.They want to drive you out of the country.They want to cease your existence.And when I discovered that, I became really, really outraged, really outraged as a gay man, particularly.And so I made the decision to walk away from the Democratic Party and the left-wing media that I had been trusting.I felt hugely betrayed and outraged.And then I, it was a while later, I didn't walk away from the Democratic Party and instantly become a Republican or a Trump supporter.Supporter. That actually took the better part of six to eight or nine months of continued research and talking to people and watching videos and reading and understanding and researching.But ultimately, by the end of 2017, I did end up becoming a Trump supporter. I did end up registering as a Republican. And then the next year, 2018, that's over the course of that year and into 2018, I mean, I lost like 90% of my friends, maybe more. I had people turning on me who had known me my entire life. And not just turning on me, you know, creating vicious rumours that I was, that I joined a cult, that I was brainwashed, that I, you know, I'm sober. I quit drugs and alcohol eight and a half years ago at that time, I guess four years. And people were saying that I had relapsed, that I was drinking, that that I was doing drugs, all this different stuff.And I got so fed up with it.Which was really, I mean, like bullying and attacking and anything that they could do to pressure me, to silence me.Because at that point, I mean, I was an unknown person. I was just a regular guy living in New York City who was having this experience, but I was being attacked by my own friends and my own colleagues and family members.And so I just, I got really angry and fed up. And I just said, you know what?I'm gonna sit down and write down all of the reasons why I'm walking away from liberalism and the Democratic Party.And I'm going to shoot a video, put it out on my social media.And then anybody who wants to walk out of my life can do it once and for all.And whoever's left, I guess I'll know those are my real friends and people I can count on.So I wrote the script and I shot the video and I put it together and I showed it to some of my friends and they were like, this is amazing.This is bigger than just putting it on your Facebook page or, you know, whatever for your friends to see there, there's gotta be a lot of people in this country and maybe the whole world who are feeling the same way you're feeling, bullied, pushed away, ready to leave the political left, pushed away from the Democrat party, the ideology of liberalism.But they're also being bullied and basically treated the way people would treat somebody who's leaving a cult, you know, and all of these sort of bully tactics to get them to not leave. And, maybe there's an opportunity here to bring people together.And so I created a Facebook group called #walkaway campaign, and I put the video out and I just said, look, if you're feeling the same way I'm feeling, please join this group and share your own story.And it just exploded. I mean, the video went out and it got millions and millions of views.People started joining #walkaway campaign by the tens of thousands and thousands of videos and written testimonials coming into people telling their stories why they're walking away.And then by the end of 2020, which was two and a half years after I started #WalkAway, it had grown to 511,000 people who had joined, and we had tens of thousands of videos.And then on January 8th of 2021, my team and I woke up and Facebook had taken everything.They banned the group.They banned our personal accounts.All the content was gone. The group was gone. The membership was gone. Everything was gone.Facebook just flipped the switch and took it all away.
Well, let me ask you before we get to end off on J6, but I mean, that's a hell of a journey, how did it feel for you personally, someone who's a private individual supporting the Democrat Party privately to now being a public figure on the right championed by Trump.I mean, Kari Lake, who we're having on in a week, for her to call you out, say how much she loves what you're doing.Must kind of be, that that move from one side to the other, but from private to public, you must sit and think at times, this is just crazy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I'll tell you something.So okay, let's go back and kind of like explore that a little bit.So I released this video, right?I did that on May 26 of 2018. Within about a week, I started getting contacted by like little podcasts and little like AM radio stations, local stations, things like that.And I was so excited, so excited. I was just like, Oh my God, somebody wants to talk to me.Like someone cares what I think about anything like that's cool.So I said yes to everything. And I mean, to a certain degree, I still do, because I just, I think, first of all, I think it's important to always stay humble.And second of all, I think it's important to spread the message wherever, whenever you can.So, you know, every like I was getting calls from little radio stations and little podcasts and stuff.And I was like, yes, yes, yes. And then over the course of the next six weeks, it just grew and grew and grew and grew.And I started getting, you know, national radio interviews and some bigger name podcasts and things like that.But it was six weeks after I launched #walkaway.I got contacted by the Tucker Carlson show and they were like, you know what you're doing is amazing. We'd love to have you come on and talk about #walkaway.And I was like, now I had never done a television interview in my entire life. I had never been on television so my first experience going on television was on the number one cable television news show, in the entire country that was my entrée into the world of going on television.So Tucker had me on that night.And then the next night I was asked to come on the Laura Ingraham show.And then the day after that I was asked to come on the Charles Payne show on Fox.And then the day after that I was asked to come on Fox and Friends.And then the day after that I was asked to come on Judge Janine's Saturday night show on Fox. So I did Fox every single night that week.And then #walkaway was just everywhere. It was just like on everybody's mind, on everybody's lips, and everybody was making #walkaway videos. And they were getting like hundreds of thousands to millions of views.And then, yes, I was just kind of getting asked to go everywhere and, and do all this stuff.But here's the thing, definitely there were like little private moments where I would go, oh my God, this is crazy.You know, this is crazy.But it meant so much to me, and it still does. It means as much to me today as it did five years ago when things were going great, and things are, the last couple of years have been very, very difficult.But it means as much to me today as it did five years ago.I didn't spend much time, at all thinking about like, oh my God, this is amazing. Or what I did is amazing. Or this is crazy. My, I mean, once I felt like I had been given a gift and an opportunity to, I wanted to create a community and a movement that would support people to walk away from the democratic party. To me, it felt like a responsibility. So I didn't spend a lot of time being like, Oh my God, like, isn't it amazing that I'm on TV all the time? I was just like, we just got to keep that. How do we keep it growing? How do we keep it moving? What's the next right step? What's the next right thing to do? What's the, you know, and that's part of the reason why it's really,  I don't even think about this either. But like it, if I sat around and thought about how tragic it is, that Facebook took the group away and took the the community away, because honest to God, of all people in the entire country or the world, I probably got to enjoy it less than anybody. Because I didn't, I didn't have time to watch walkaway videos or read the posts in the community or, you know, I brought on a ton of volunteer, moderators and admins, and they were moderating all the posts and moderating the group and keeping everything going. I was out speaking in colleges and doing media interviews and doing public appearances and traveling the country, talking about walk away, walk away, walk away, doing the #walkaway events, town halls debates. I hardly got to even look at or enjoy the thing that I had created.And my thought was, let's just get through the 2020 election, cause this is like a freight train that's just going and going and going. And after we get through the 2020 election, things are going to calm down a little bit.And then I'm going to take like a month, just like, I'm just going to sit there and just watch walkaway videos and just like deep dive into the group and just enjoy it. And they took it away before I got a chance to do that.I'd love to ask you more but I want to end off on J6 because your story going from one side to the other, you couldn't have gone further over to being caught up in what has happened and I saw a video of you recently once again going for like drugs tests or something. Your story, but also possibly the the lack of support and I've watched this from afar of the Republican Party of those and we've had Jake Lang on who's languishing there in a DC cell, we followed others.And it's quite unbelievable that those who are caught up in the J6 stuff don't have the 100%, 110% support of the Republican Party. But how did you get caught up and kind of tell us about that, lack of support, if that's a fair enough comment? 
Totally fair. Yeah, so I was asked to be a speaker at a permitted event on Capitol grounds on January 6th.And so I travelled to DC with the intent and understanding that I was going to speak at the Capitol after the event at the Ellipse that President Trump spoke at.The event was always called March to Save America. The media cannot stop lying about January 6th.So the media wants you to think it was this event called Stop the Steal and that there was never like a march or that there was never a plan to go to the Capitol, that Trump told everyone to storm the Capitol.Not at all. I mean, everyone knew that we were gonna sit there and watch the president speak, that we were all gonna march to the Capitol and that there was another event at the Capitol.Everyone always knew that.I don't know why people decided to start breaking windows and going inside the Capitol.That started while all the rest of us were listening to President Trump speak.He didn't know it was happening.We didn't know it was happening. No one had any clue. So when he got done speaking and said, Let's go to the Capitol.That was always the plan. So I travelled over to the Capitol to do my speaking engagement, and as I was arriving, I started getting text messages from friends and colleagues, people saying, we're hearing on the news that people are going inside the building. And I thought, that sounds unusual. So I started shooting a video, and I walked up on the east side of the Capitol. That's the side I was coming in from. Now, it was the opposite side, the west side, where people were breaking barriers and fighting with police officers and breaking windows and all that craziness and commotion, which I still didn't know about, was happening on the west side.I was coming in from the east side. So when I arrived, there were zero police officers on the east side grounds. Zero. None. Huge crowd. Thousands of people all over the grounds and thousands of people up on the steps of the Capitol. Now, they weren't trying to get inside the Capitol. They weren't like, you know, they were all facing away from the Capitol, holding signs, singing songs, things like that.But when I got to the crowd of people on the steps, there was a man standing at the top, motioning down and shouting.They've opened the doors. They're letting us in. We're going inside. We're going inside.So I walked up to the top of the stairs. And when I got there, there were two large doors on the east side of the Capitol that were wide open and there was a crowd of hundreds of people.And some of them were trying to push their way in, and the rest of them were just kind of shooting a video, like I was doing.So I shot a video for eight minutes, and then a man came outside of the Capitol and got on a bullhorn and said, "'They've cleared Congress, everyone left the building, "'move out, move out.'" So I immediately, at that point, turned around and left.I never went inside the Capitol on January 6th. I didn't commit any violence, any vandalism, any theft, any destruction, and I left.And then I uploaded the video that I had just shot to Twitter.And then two and a half weeks later, an FBI, a team of FBI agents in tactical gear stormed my apartment, got me out of bed, put me in handcuffs, started stripping my apartment of my phones, my computers, my hard drives, my thumb drives, camera equipment, took me to jail.I spent several days in jail. And when I got out, I learned that I was being charged with multiple felonies and a misdemeanour.And while I was in jail, the news had, the same media that I walked away from, two and a half years before that, had written, is international news that the founder of the #walkaway movement had stormed the Capitol on January 6th and was encouraging violence and encouraging people to attack police officers, and encouraging a civil war.It was so insane. It was so insane. And basically this, I mean, it was just, it was nuts. I ended up within a week or two after getting out of jail, I got permanently banned by PayPal, Venmo, Stripe, Patreon, all my email services, my donor portals, we lost our Facebook group.I mean, it was just a mass annihilation of my life and they wouldn't even treat you like a person.I mean, when you would reach out and be like, why did you cancel my PayPal account?Why did you cancel whatever? The only response you would get was.Our investigation showed that you have engaged in political violence and this decision is permanent.It cannot be appealed.Don't come back. I even had one company tell me, if you come back to us, we're going to, you'll be hearing from our lawyers.Like, don't even try to respond to this or you'll be potentially involved in a legal situation.So there was no conversation. There was no reasoning with people.I got put on a TSA terrorism watch list.So when I tried to get on airplanes, I have a designation, what they call SSSS, where they put you through hours of screening with like nine TSA agents who, like, it's just insane what they put you through.And then when you get through it, they follow you around the airport.Sometimes they have dogs.It's nuts. But in the end, after a year, I ended up taking a plea deal, pleading guilty to a misdemeanour.And on that misdemeanour, I ended up getting jail time, three months of house arrest, three years of federal probation, community service, maximum fine, $5,000.And then I'm also now being sued by Capitol Police officers who I never met, I never saw, I never encountered on January 6th, but they're being funded by a Soros-funded non-profit law firm, and they're suing me and Donald Trump and a number of other people alleging, aiding and abetting assault and battery and all of these.I mean.It's indescribable what is happening in Washington DC, and the ways in which these institutions are weaponized to try to destroy anybody that they possibly can who somehow got involved in the January 6th narrative.And I'm of particular interest to them because I am the founder of the #walkaway movement.I'm trying to encourage people to leave the political left.And yeah, and as I've gone through all of this, which, by the way, has driven at least five people to suicide, five other J6ers who, at minimum, that's just who we know of.There are others we may not even know.But the way that people have been brutalized by these institutions and by the left-wing media has driven numerous people to kill themselves.I didn't make that decision, although it did cross my mind several times.And yeah, barely a word of support from anybody in the conservative movement, whether it's conservative influencers, media.I just got done telling you in this interview, the support that I had from the biggest cable news institutions when I created the #walkway campaign.But suddenly when I got arrested because of January 6th, it's like I was dead. I was a ghost. I didn't exist anymore. No one wants to talk to me.And members of Congress, the former president, I mean, it's just nothing, silence, total silence.And so anybody who's been ensnared into this J6 trap has had to endure all of this on their own with no help and no support. And as I said, I mean, it's been so devastating to people that a number of people have even chosen to take their own lives because of it.Wow. Brandon, I appreciate you coming on and sharing. I mean, two huge subjects, walking away from the left and J6, I know is ongoing, is still a hugely hot topic. So thanks for coming on and sharing what is happening. I know people can follow that on your social media and on the coolest website I've seen for a while. So they can see all of that there. So thanks for your time today. 
You're welcome. Thank you. And if I could just quickly tell people too, because because there was so much to unpack, we couldn't get into all of it.Facebook did take our group away, but one of the ways in which my team and I are fighting back is by launching our own social platform. So we are rebuilding the walkaway movement one person at a time with our own social media app called Walkaway Social.And this people can load this by going to the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store, it's called Walkaway Social.Right now it's for American users only. I am looking to expand that to make it worldwide.But if anybody's watching who is in the United States of America and keep checking back as we expand to global users, go to your app store, load WalkAway Social, join our community, and share your story.Whether you walked away from the political left or you support those who do, we want to hear from all of you.Yep, that's it right there. So people can go to walkawaysocial.com, and there's links there to load the apps.Get on there, watch the videos, share them on Twitter, Facebook, anywhere that you are, and upload your own story and support this movement as we fight our way back, please.Okay, it's there, make use of it. Everyone watching and listening, all the links will be in the description. Brandon, thanks so much for being with us today.
Thank you.

Avi Yemini - A Rebel From the Start: Setting the Record Straight

Show notes and Transcript
Avi Yemini is an Aussie dynamo. He brought his energy and determination to speak truth to the world, first through TR news and now heads up Rebel News Australia as the Chief Oz correspondent. He joins us to discuss his newly published autobiography "A Rebel From The Start: Setting The Record Straight". Working with Tommy Robinson and then with Ezra Levant has made him a target for the legacy media and political authorities, a lot has been written about Avi and the establishment have sought to neutralise him by demonising him. None of this has worked and in this book he tells his story for the first time. This is Avi as you have not seen or heard him before, giving the other side to the media's lies.
Avi Yemini is the Australia Bureau Chief for Rebel News. He's a former Israeli Defence Force marksman turned citizen journalist. Avi's most known for getting amongst the action and asking the tough questions in a way that brings a smile to your face.
A Rebel From The StartAvi Yemini: Setting the Record StraightAvailable in paperback or e-book from... https://www.rebelfromthestart.com/ and Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rebel-Start-Setting-Record-Straight/dp/B0C91KG18N/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=avi+yemeni&sr=8-1 
Connect with Avi...X:                   https://twitter.com/OzraeliAviGETTR:         https://www.gettr.com/user/ozraeliaviTELEGRAM:  https://t.me/AviYeminiOfficialInstagram:    https://www.instagram.com/ozraeliaviyemini/Rebel News: https://www.rebelnews.com/
Interview recorded 20.7.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview with Avi Yemini joining us once again and we're looking at his book A Rebel From the Start. Avi Yemini setting the record straight and there is a lot to set straight. He has been in the target hairs of the media, of the government, of the legal system and we obviously go into his background, big family, troubled difficult background and how he pulled his life together partially through the military and joining the Israeli military and how that really made him. And then on the journalism side, obviously working with Tommy and then working with Rebel, with Ezra, and how he's been a voice of reason during the COVID tyranny. He's been my go-to source certainly for Australian issues and he has been fearless.He has faced punishment for that. We look in the legal battles that he's faced, not only the media attacking his family and how he's had to defend them and fight for his kids.But also how he has gone through the courts and got the Victorian authorities to issue an apology for how they treated him as he was reporting on the news.Lots. I know you love listening to Avi, who is a little Aussie dynamo.Avi Yemini, it is wonderful to have you back with us again. Thanks so much for joining us today.
(Avi Yemini)
Thanks for having me, mate.
Not at all. It's been ages but obviously you have a book out which is telling your story.A rebel from the start, Avi Yemini setting the record straight and a lot's been written about you. You've been the target of many attacks and there's a lot to set straight. It is available in the UK. It is available anywhere on the website but also directly on Amazon.Those are your handles on Twitter and rebelfromthestart.com you can buy directly there or as I said on Amazon or anywhere else. Avi, first of all can I ask you why you put pen to paper. You're busy, you do so much stuff, you seem to be everywhere, filming, finding stories, working hard for Rebel there in Australia. It takes a lot of time and discipline, I guess, to set everything else aside and actually put pen to paper. So what made you actually write the book?Yeah, absolutely. Look, writing is difficult for me especially. I found it really hard, but, it was a project that I set myself to because for so many years now, probably six, seven years, they've been writing about me. And over the last few years, especially the last four or five years, some of those issues I wasn't even able to answer. So you had these people dragging my name through the mud, smearing me and whilst knowing I can't even respond.So finally, when I could respond to those issues, I thought, I'm going to write my entire story from beginning to end or till current to essentially set the record straight.So it's called A Rebel From The Start because that's pretty much as you read from day one, I was pretty much a rebel.The subtitle is setting the record straight because I'm finally, you finally get the chance to actually hear my story from me, somebody who's actually lived the entire story instead of people that want to cherry pick little bits that they've, managed to find that suits their version of me, that they want people, they want to portray.Right back to the beginning, you're obviously the first chapter and it does fit you, a born attention seeker.You're a big character, you enjoy the limelight and your videos show, you kind of use that to your advantage.You play on that and you connect with the audience using that.But I mean, really big family born into, you had issues with many things.Do you want to touch on that? Because your story is a story of actually struggling in areas and then actually changing your life and turning it round.Yeah, it's good. Look, you know what I find interesting about this conversation is I can tell you've actually read it. A lot of people that are talking about my book online especially they obviously haven't read it because they point to parts where they're trying to embarrass me and shame me on issues. Dude, I talk all about it. Yeah, that's how I started. I grew up in an ultra-orthodox family. I was born the night my family moved to Melbourne. I'm the 10th child of 17 children, the need for attention was probably started off as a survival mechanism and into my, you know, adult life. At times it was, it certainly helped me. Other times it got me into a bit of trouble. And I guess probably the same is true within my media career. It's, I do enjoy it. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I don't and enjoy the limelight, I love it.And sometimes it gets me into trouble and at other times that willingness and happiness to be in front of the camera when others may not be works to what I'm doing to my job.
But you, one of the chapters, and I remember when this was happening, one of the chapters, was guilty of wanting my kids. I can vividly remember different parts of your life played publicly, you're getting so much flack for so many things, but part of it was, you kind of personal life and your kids, and when the media bring in family, it is particularly hurtful. Tell us about that? 
Yeah look, those are one of the issues that I'm referring to where the media cherry-picked and that the media sat there through my criminal trial and they knew what was going on.And they decided to pick certain aspects to report in a really outlandish way that made it easy, you know, any rational good person would hate, when you run a headline, Avi Yemini found, or pleads guilty to assaulting ex-wife. It's pretty horrible stuff. Now they left out all the context around it. Some of it you're not allowed to report, but other parts of it you are certainly allowed to report. And I think sometimes when you know the whole story then, and if you're not allowed to report the parts that gives context, then maybe it's the kind of story you should let the private life be the private life, unless somebody is really a bad person.Look, I had to deal with that smear for years, silently, and you know, it's probably one of those things, as they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.Having to shut up is not in my nature, but it taught me to shut up and just cop it and to learn that, you know, no matter what they say about you, if you know the truth and they're not going to get to define you. Now after so many years I get to say, I get to have my say about that specific issue, the truth of that story is, I've never hit a woman in my life, let alone my ex-wife.I'm just not that kind of person.It was a relationship breakdown at the end. In fact, it was when I started a new relationship that this whole thing came up and that there's this kind of formula that women use. And I'm not alone. I know that there are many men, especially here in Australia. And I imagine probably also where you are, where the system, because of historically, the way that the awful way that so many women were treated, that the pendulum has swung all the way the other way, that now a man is guilty until proven innocent. And the problem with that is when you throw children into the mix, suddenly you're left with having to defend yourself, but also trying to get your kids.And so, if my kids weren't involved in all that, then I would happily, I'm not a person that's afraid of court.And you can, there's a lot of things you can say about me, but I ain't scared of a courtroom and I would happily fight to clear my name on things.But as soon as you attach my kids to it, so in short, while you have an open domestic violence case, you ain't getting your kids. So you have two ways of shutting down a domestic violence matter.One is plead guilty to what was essentially a summary offense at the lowest level of offending, the lowest crime that comes with a penalty of a fine. Even if you didn't commit it, plead guilty to it, close that domestic violence matter and get your kids. Or you can spend a couple of years trying to clear your name. And then whether you clear it or not, at the end of it you can fight to see your kids again. To me, it's a no brainer. You know, if I went back in time, I'd plead guilty to the same crime again because my kids matter more than my pride. That's essentially what this became, because I knew it was going to play out in public. It was whether, and I didn't even weigh it up because at the end of the day, it didn't matter to me. All I wanted was my kids and not only for my sake, but for their sake. But if you have to put it between your pride and your children, I think any good parent would pick their children.And I did it then and I would do it again.It is sad that we live in a society that that's where it's become.And I know that some of the intentions behind the way the system was structured was well intended.It was to protect vulnerable women. But unfortunately, I know in Australia that's true, and I imagine where you are as well, is a system that is abused by vindictive ex-partners.And in my case, it was when I started a new relationship, and you can read the full story in my book. Buthere I am today, for the first time, being able to tell people, no, what you hear about me, and that's the thing that I noticed over this period isI had people that have followed me for years and they would get on, you know, when my detractors would attack me with those labels and those smears and call me all sorts of horrible names, the one thing I am not. You'd have supporters who would either defend me by minimizing domestic violence or, you know, saying you haven't heard the other side of the story, which I guess that's probably the most accurate, or saying it didn't happen, whatever. And you also had a lot of people that probably followed my work and thought, oh, he has a nasty past. I think for the first time, now people can actually read my entire story and make up their mind for themselves instead of listening to either reporters who want to see nothing, nothing less than my complete destruction or the other side, my political opponents, people who view me as the enemy.And remember before they had that false domestic violence, I was the Jewish Nazi. So these are people that'll use anything to try bring down the person because they can't argue the message.And you know, to my supporters, I've been grateful to see them fighting for me and even when a lot of people would have taken my silence as an admission of guilt.There were those out there trying to defend me using, without any information, without any information.But now people can know the truth and know that, no, you haven't either been defending a domestic violence abuser, you haven't been defending somebody that has at least, I have a past, and we talk about my past in the book.Are just not like that. And, you know, I wouldn't feel, I know how so many must have felt because I wouldn't have felt comfortable defending or following somebody with potentially, potential domestic violence, you know, offenses and or somebody that's horrible to women.I wouldn't want to be known as that. So this has been for me a big weight off my chest and my shoulders.
Well, the media and I've come to the conclusion they are scum and I didn't actually think I would use terms as strong as that to describe media politicians.But what, because this was even before you were with Rebel, this was yeah, this was before that time.So what, what was it that you had done that so pissed off the media because they went for you and who the hell cares about some guy called Avi in a court and yet they had you in their crosshairs.Yeah look, aligning yourself and working with people, enemies of the state, I think been on your show a number of times, that probably didn't help.And look, anyone that dares to speak out about issues that goes against the grain, against the narrative is going to become a target by those that it threatens.And yeah, I understand I'm a massive threat to the mainstream establishment, the legacy media as just as much as I'm a big threat to the political class.You know, those that have always traditionally held all the power do not want to see the rise of uncontrollable attention seekers like me.
Fair point, yeah. Yeah, I wanna ask you about military because I wanted to join the Air Force, it didn't happen, but I enjoyed kind of my time, University Air Squadron, all that being drilled into, and I have friends who it's been the making of them in the military.And that seemed to be you. How did you end up going all the way to Israel and join the military?Why and how did that kind of set you up for the future?Look, I think I talk about it in the book, but it was, I was always, it was kind of in the back of my mind.I was, I had two older brothers that served and obviously my mom's whole family's there.My uncle died in the, in serving the IDF. So you know, it's deep rooted, but for me at that time in my life, I was actually, I signed up.They didn't know that, but I signed up from rehab. I was just getting off heroin and I was trying to sort my life out.And I knew that I had to kind of make some dramatic change not to fall into the same habit.So I chose the, in fact, I did go to one of the, I forgot what they call them, the Australian Army information sessions or whatever.And I remember at the time they were talking about applying and criminal histories and you know, I spent my whole teenage years in and out of the justice system.So I realized this was going to be a bit, a much harder road to go down.And then on top of that, I, when I thought of the Australian army, I thought, well, if I am deployed, I'm going to be fighting someone else's war.Whereas if I can go and join the Israeli army, at least I'll be fighting to protect my own family, my own people.So I signed up from rehab and the rest is history.And I certainly had an interesting service.
I want to jump onto the media side, because obviously I first came across you when you were working with Tommy, with TR News and then you moved over and started with Rebel.
Im still wearing his t-shirt. 
Yeah, I see that. I actually caught up with Ezra the other week. He was in London, so we had a good catch up. Rebel has been perfectly placed, I guess, with all the chaos of the last three years, and you've been right in the middle of that in one of the worst countries for the restrictions and controls and mind control of at every level that we've seen the last three years.How has that played out because it was, you weren't expecting a worldwide lockdown but certainly Rebel has grown massively in Canada on the back of being the one free speech news channel that will speak out, and you've been able to do that in Australia. Tell us about how that has panned out over the last three years.Yeah, it's interesting. So I joined Rebel officially, I did a couple of gigs, even while I was working for Tommy as freelance, up until then, but I joined on the 3rd of September of 2020. It was during a lockdown. And the 5th of September 2020, I went to report on a lockdown protest that was, and I was taken down to the ground by police and you know, it was, it was a bizarre time to be doing what we're doing and, but it just set, it was just so perfect.It was my second day at Rebel and I was arrested, surrounded and arrested.I thought that we're actually joking at the time when the commanding officer kind of came up to me. I thought he was bantering and I just couldn't believe what was happening.But it set me up for the rest, you know, the rest of what we were doing or Rebel in Australia.It really put us on the map with regards to being on the front line of citizen journalism in a time where the mainstream media had just lost their way.They were not speaking truth to power. They were actually just regurgitating the government's official lines.And they were happy there, cheering on the lockdowns, cheering on every single crazy totalitarian move that the government was making. And then you had little me and then also at the time you had somebody like Rukhshan who were in his studio.So don't judge Rukshan, Rukshan actually does good work. He just failed in his studio.He's sitting behind the screen laughing at me. So you had the, you know, even Rukshan.Rukshan was nobody before then. He wasn't working for anything.He was a wedding photographer, and I think he was pretty average at that too.And then he's laughing behind you. So for those of you on that side of the world, Rukshan's actually not.You actually can read about Rukshan in the book, but you know, that was my journey through Rebel and I think, Rebel was perfectly placed because they, unlike when I worked for Tommy, Rebel had the ability and the means and the will and the teams to take on these fights.So when I worked with Tommy, it was probably a few months before.Actually it was, it was January, 2020 when I was first arrested and that was while I still working for Tommy. And there was nothing I could really do to fight back, even though I knew it was unlawful, the arrest, there was nothing I could do because Tommy was having his own dramas and he was fighting his own, putting out his own fires. And the cops didn't realize that I'd signed up with Rebel because that was actually my first official day in the field for Rebel. So they thought they'll take me down and get rid of me, give me a move on order and I'll just have to cop it like I did the last time. But little did they know that I had joined Rebel and Rebel's first response was, sue them. We're suing them.And we did end up not only suing them for that one, we sued them for that, we sued them for the one when I worked for Tommy and then one more that they still thought they could get away with it, within that year, I think it was. No, January 2021. So for three arrests.And they ended up having to, you know, issue that grovelling apology.
How is that? I can imagine Ezra jumping up and down with glee when you're arrested.You're thinking, oh, oh crap. And he's thinking, yes, because he's thinking about how the audience see that and making that story.But yeah, I mean, going through. 
I don't think, look, I don't think he gets excited.I think, I think one of the things that I've learned from Ezra is he's always said, look at every situation and make lemonade from lemons. Just turn it into a positive. And that's the truth.When you're taken down like that and authorities standing over you with a boot on your neck and trying to intimidate and scare you, most people would cave.In fact, if I wasn't with Rebel, I'd probably be stuck and would have to.So we look at those situations and we say, hold on, how can we flip this script?How can we turn it on them? And that's exactly what we did.And not only does it, it ended up backfiring so badly for the state because not only did we fight and win, but them acting like that did the one thing they were trying to avoid.And why were they targeting me? Why did they want me to move out of that situation?Because they didn't want the world to see, they didn't want our things to go viral showing what they were doing.That you had militarized police trying to enforce health. Like it sounds crazy now when you go over it, but they didn't want people to see that.They wanted people to see the filtered reports by the mainstream media, which was reporting, you had a handful of crazy conspiracy theorists that were putting us all at risk.They didn't want you to see that police, the state in the name of health, were fully dressed in riot gear with crazy armour in these bulletproof trucks were kettling, like bringing the group of peaceful protesters, forcing them into groups where they one by one picked them off and violently arrested and processed. They didn't want people seeing that. So they arrested me thinking that'll get, and tried to move me on, thinking that that will get rid of the problem. But all that did was it attracted worldwide attention.It gave us the audience that they so desperately didn't want us to have.And it created the basis of our campaigns, which were fight the fines and pushing back.And we started all these campaigns off the back of that because people knew we were willing to stand up and fight. And not only from the safety of our studios, but in fact, on the street in front of everyone.That's why we were successful at what we did because we talked the talk but we also walked the walk.I think watching it because I was looking at what's happening across Europe because the UK were, actually in a much more favourable position. We didn't have the levels of evils with other governments but it was your reporting that actually turned me to what's happening in Australia and I was able to from the UK was able to catch up with Australia because of what you were putting out and you ended up, I think, for many people in Europe, being the go-to person for understanding what was happening down under. What was the other response from media? Were there other alternative media that were putting it out or was it? 
Yes, there was Rukshan at the time.If you ever watched any of the live feed, that was the rogue wedding reporter who they basically stopped him from being able to work.So he started live streaming and really giving his, he was narrating the protest, craziest protest, but Rukshan is this really calm immigrant is the best way to describe him.Is that the best way? Yeah. He says, yes, he's Sri Lankan.He's not, he was really calm when you watched his, if you go back onto Facebook and he would get 20, 30, 40 at points, there was like 60,000 people watching live scenes unfolding here in Melbourne, because the whole world was tuned in to see what was happening. So really, at the time there was the in Melbourne, there was the two of us, there was me that was doing these reports. So we would go out there, capture, talk to people, talk to the police, engage police are, you know, at points stand between the police and the protesters and challenge the police when they were overstepping.And often seeing, you know, certainly after they'd seen us winning in courts and things like that, they, you know, they would, step back and stand down.And then you had Rukshan that was doing these live, full live streams and just giving his commentary on what was unfolding in front of him.Weren't you banned? Was it New Zealand you were banned from? You were so dangerous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, they banned me from New Zealand and they used that rubbish, I don't know what you want to call it, the conviction that didn't meet the threshold.It was an absolute farce. But the funny thing is because it was an anti-government, it was that freedom movement that were running a protest over the weekend and we went down there. Well, we planned to go there. I got to the airport, they stopped me from even boarding the plane. The Qantas staff looked at, you know, they got this alert on my passport. It was the craziest thing. They said to me they'd never seen it.But the funniest thing from that whole story was as it unfolded, as, you know, the next day the prime minister was asked about it, acted like it had nothing to do with their government and, you know, freedom of information. Well, first we got an Interpol leak that proved that they that they were actually targeting us before even knowing why, if we were coming there, they just knew we were coming to report on this protest and they wanted to stop us and they were trying to get information.They were looking for criminal convictions so that they could use it as an excuse to ban us.And then later on Freedom of Information requests showed they were conspiring on the back and everything they were saying was a complete lie.And the real reason they wanted to stop us in their words was my propensity of inciting people with opposing views.Which I've memorized that line because it's so funny to think that a so-called democracy.Who take themselves seriously, really used, that was their basis to block somebody, an Australian, so their closest ally from coming in because I might incite somebody with other views.And through all of that, it was also, it was desire, it all came out first because the media were egging on the government.And I thought at the time, I told people, I go, watch, I'm gonna fight this to the end, but they're not gonna go to court.Cause yet what you have to do is, you have to, to be able to go to court, you've actually got to get, So I got refused at the border with essentially what's called a visa waiver around the world.But to be able to go to court and challenge it, you've got to get refused the actual visa.And I said, when I saw the freedom of information request, I go, there's no way these guys are going to court because I'll have the, now the former prime minister on the stand.And now she can't lie, especially because we have all the evidence.So I knew they were going to approve it.But they dragged their feet for almost a year in the hope that by the time I'm approved,I'm not really going to have something to do there. And if they would have let me in that weekend, I would have done a few reports, interviewed a few people. The protests had ended up being a bit of a fizzle, and I would have been gone in a few days. It would have been whatever.Now, a year later, when they had nothing else they could drag out, they approved it.And I know that they were assuming and hoping that it's all said and done.There's no real reason for me to go back. And if I go back, it's going to be even less of a thing than it was then.Little did they know that I'd just finished writing my book.And I thought there could be nowhere more appropriate for me to launch this book than the censorship capital of the West, if not the world.And so that's why I'm launching it there. And I love it because hook, line and sinker and my detractors in New Zealand, they're so angry that I'm coming after being originally banned.They don't care about all the other reasons. They don't even care that if the tables are turned, if they really want to see people banned because of their political views, they don't realize that the next government that can be conservative will ban their people.They don't care. They're not interested. All they, they're so full of hate.All they wanted to see was me banned.And they're getting so angry about it that they're even saying that my book should be banned.And I absolutely support their, their endeavours.And as long as they keep getting angry about it and talking about it, that's better for me, because I think when you start to tell people they're not allowed, that's what we saw through COVID. If you tell people they're not going to be allowed to read this book, and this is to your entire audience, you guys are not allowed to read this book. Whatever you do, do not go to rebel fromthestart.com and buy this book. When you tell people they're not allowed to do something, they suddenly want to do it. I'll tell you a little secret. Before COVID, I was a massive germaphobe. I'm still a germaphobe, but I was a massive germaphobe. I remember when COVID first started. I fell for the narrative at first. I thought people were crazy who didn't fall for it in the first month or so. I remember when people started washing their hands and using the alcohol thing on their hands. And I was so happy because finally the world was catching up with me. Everybody was clean for once. And then the government said, we've got to start doing this thing. I was like, nah, give me some germs. Give me those germs. I'm not going to wash my hands now because you tell me. It's the same idea. So I encourage myNew Zealand haters to keep telling people that I'm this bad, evil monster and my book should be burned. In fact, I think they should buy many copies to do an official book burning in New Zealand.It went, I think I read on Rebel News that it had gone to the top in Australia and New Zealand in the first day. That's what negative publicity does, I guess.
Absolutely. Yeah, number one, it was for almost a week, number one, Australia, New Zealand. And I'm sure it'll get there again when, close to the date of the launch, which is in August.But to your viewers, watch your space, because I don't mind that part of the world.
Very well. Last, I just want to ask you to finish about how it makes you feel about living in Australia, because I watch it from the UK and it makes me angry.And I'm not living in that totalitarian state. I have friends in Austria and Germany and Europe, and they've struggled with mandatory lockdowns, mandatory jabs, everything, being cut off from families.You probably had it, yeah, literally worse than anyone, maybe short of across the water with, with horsey face over in New Zealand.But how does that make you feel? Because it seems as though you, whatever's thrown at you, it just makes you stronger and more up for the fight.Yeah, look, I don't, I'm not somebody that believes in giving up and running away.So, and it's not, I can't leave. So maybe I'm just justifying it.Talk to me in five years, six years when my kids are old enough that I don't, I'm not bound to one place, but for now, I'm glad that I'm here to fight on because, uh, I think if we let Australia fall, if we let first Victoria and every other state fall, and we, there is no, if there is no opposition, then the rest, there's going to be nowhere safe in the way it's going to be safe where?So it's better to stay and fight for freedom where you are for everyone else. 
Absolutely well let me just bring it up once again the people can see it, there it is, Rebel From The Start Avi Yemini, setting the record straight. Get it on as I said on Amazon or get it directly on the website rebelfromthestart.com. Avi, thank you so much for your time. Always great to talk to you, love what you do. You're a absolute dynamo there. So thanks for coming on and sharing with our viewers about your book.Thanks for having me mate. Till next time.

Miriam Grossman MD - Lost in Trans Nation: The Gender Identity Battle in Your Own Home

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We think Dr Miriam Grossman has just written the most important book for parents today. It is titled "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" and it even comes with a forward from none other than Dr Jordan B Peterson. Dr Miriam joins Hearts of Oak to discuss this timely release which she wrote primarily to help parents navigate the trans narrative, imploring them to reject the advice of gender experts and politicians, to trust their guts, their parental instincts, in the face of an onslaught of ideologically driven misinformation that steers them and their children toward risky decisions which they may end up ruing for the rest of their lives.She tells us why the medical world and most of our institutions have been captured by this new dogma and how whistle-blowers have lifted the lid on this destructive industry.Please share Dr Grossman's message widely.   
Miriam Grossman MD is board certified in psychiatry and in the sub-specialty of child and adolescent psychiatry. Before gender ideology was on anyone’s radar, she warned parents about its falsehoods and dangers in her 2009 book about sexuality education, "You’re Teaching My Child WHAT?"Dr. Grossman’s practice currently focuses on gender-distressed young people and their parents. She believes that every child is born in the right body. Dr Grossman has been vocal about the capture of her profession by ideologues, leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents.The author of five books, Dr. Grossman's work has been translated into eleven languages. She has testified in Congress and lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations.Dr. Grossman is featured in the Daily Wire’s What Is A Woman?, Fox Nation’s The Miseducation of America, and many other documentaries.  Her expert psychiatric opinion is sought for witness testimony and court reports.
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment, with Dr. Miriam Grossman.You will probably have seen her on Matt Walsh's excellent What is a Woman, Daily Wire documentary.She was interviewed on that and she has written her latest book.Lost in Trans-Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness with foreword by none other than Dr. Jordan Peterson.And she joins us to discuss this book, which is an essential read for parents.If you're a parent you have to get this book. It will help you navigate the trans chaos which we are now all facing. She joined us to talk about the book, why she wrote it for parents, all the information there in the appendix for parents to really understand this issue and then we look at why everyone is pushing the whole trans narrative including all of those in the medical industry and of course her background in psychiatry and then we look at whistleblowing. Tavistock Clinic obviously whistle-blowers there exposing what was happening and the same thing is now happening in America and how important whistle-blowers are. So much packed in to a short interview for this fantastic book. 
Dr. Miriam Grossman it is wonderful to have you with us today thank you so much for your time. 
(Miriam Grossman MD)
Oh you are so welcome Peter thank you for having me. 
Not all I and as I was saying before I should come across you're teaching my child what which is quite a while ago, but people can find @Miriam_Grossman. They can follow you there on Twitter and MiriamGrossmanmd.com is the website. Everything is in the description. Of course your background is psychiatry and you find yourself on one specific topic, but before we get into the topic of the book which is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness', that we'll bring up in a moment. Could I ask you just to introduce yourself to, we have maybe 75% UK audience, 15% US. I'm sure people will have seen you in that wonderful...What is a woman? 
I nearly forgot, goodness, I've watched it a billion times, and what they have done at the Daily Wire is fascinating. But can I ask you to introduce yourself before we get into the book itself?
Oh, sure, of course. Well, I'm a child, adolescent and adult psychiatrist. And, years ago, I was working exclusively with young people as a psychiatrist at the University of, California in Los Angeles. And I became alarmed at the number of kids that I was seeing, students that I was seeing who had a sexually transmitted infection, multiple abortions, worries about having HIV. And so I started to look into sex education at that time, and to study what young people are told about sexuality and about staying healthy.And I was really quite aghast. I discovered that the way that sex education stands at this time, not only in the US, but in the UK as well. In fact, I spoke about this in the House of Lords, 12 years ago. 
I work in the House of Lords, so I may just have started working at that time.Yeah. So I was terribly alarmed and disturbed, as I think any decent person would be, be to discover what kids were being taught at that time.And it was basically not about sexual health. It was about sexual freedom.And so essentially kids are being told at any age, whenever you feel ready for sexual behaviour, only you can decide and so on and so forth. And being introduced to what many people would consider fringe behaviours, but of course now times have changed and what used to be fringe is now just, you know, run-of-the-mill, I guess, you know, vanilla kind of stuff, but it really was quite alarming and it did answer the question for me of why are so many kids suffering at this time from sexually transmitted infections and abortions and, you know, the emotional part of it as well. So while I was doing that research about sex education, I kind of stumbled across gender ideology and what kids were being told about being male or female. I had never seen this stuff before, and this was back in maybe, I don't know, 2006 or 2007. This was a long time ago. And I discovered that students, even younger students, in elementary school, I'm not sure what you would call that in the UK, but that they were being told that there are many, you know, that there's a spectrum of identities in terms of male and female were just like two extreme ends of a spectrum that had many, many points in between.And in fact, that if we limit ourselves to just male and female, that's an oppressive paradigm.I'm sorry, an oppressive paradigm. I'm sorry Peter, I've been talking a lot, so my voice is getting weak.So it was put into the language of a political Marxist kind of language of that it's oppressive, and that it's false, and it's something that has to be brought down.So it was presented to kids in terms of a civil right, in terms of an entire class of people who were being oppressed by this idea of binary, which was a white male European idea.And I just said to myself, oh my goodness, what is this?You know, I'm a doctor, but you don't have to be a doctor to know that there are only two sexes, male and female. We are mammals. Mammals are dimorphic species. That means male and female.Other species may have another situation or they may be fluid. The clownfish apparently can be kind of a fluid situation there. We are not clownfish. We are mammals. And I was extremely alarmed that kids were being presented with these ideas that had no basis in medicine, no basis in science. And what they were was more like a belief system. An irrational belief system that told these kids, instructed these kids that the way that you feel at the moment is what you are. And that your biology, that's really not too important. So, you know, as doctor with tremendous respect for our biology. Again, I was alarmed at what this was going to, what effect this was going to have, especially on kids who were vulnerable, kids who might have other issues going on and might be destabilized by this idea that maybe, you know, they're in the the wrong body.And I wrote about that in my book, 'You're Teaching My Child What?', which came out in 2009.I had a chapter there called Genderland.And I compared what is being taught to kids to Alice in Wonderland, this bizarre, you fall down this hole and you land in a place that is bizarre and doesn't make sense, right?That's where Alice ended up in Wonderland.There were no, all the rules that she was used to didn't make sense and all the characters that she met didn't make sense.And that's how I felt as I was exploring this gender ideology that kids are being told.So I wrote in my chapter there, 2009, and by the way, people can read that chapter on my website.I have it up on merriamgrossmanmd.com.And so I warned parents and I said, these, these are not the idea.You don't want your kids, believing these ideas because this will be a disaster for children to think that they were in the wrong body and that they need to medically alter their bodies and maybe take hormones, medications for what essentially is going to be probably an emotional issue that they're having, and it may just be a temporary distress that they feel about their bodies. So we do not want to be giving these kids a medical interference.Anyway, unfortunately, it's taken this catastrophe that we're in right now to open people's eyes that our kids have been indoctrinated and are being indoctrinated every day with these ideas.And so my newest book is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness'.And it is exclusively about the transgender issue.And what I'm doing in this book is educating parents. This is not a book for professionals, although professionals will learn a lot, but it is written for everyday moms and dads to read and understand what this trans ideology is about and how it is not based in anything scientific or medical. It is an irrational belief system. And it has become a, turbo-charged crusade through our culture targeting our young and vulnerable kids.So the book gives parents what they need to not only to deal with it if they're living through it right now with one of their kids, but perhaps more importantly, to avoid it the future. So if your children are still small, it's a book that you want to have and learn how to reach your child before these gender zealots, I'm going to call them, reach your child because they are waiting to reach your child, they want to reach your child, and they want to instruct your child in this ideology. And part of the ideology parents need to know is that if parents don't agree and they don't, you know, and they're cautious and they, you know, if they if there's a child, let's say a boy, who announces to his parents that, I'm not your son, I'm your daughter, I want you to use this new name and these pronouns. And I want you to take me to a gender affirming therapist. And if parents just want to say, okay, well, one minute, one minute, you know, this is big. This is really big. So let's just, I want to ask questions. I want to do research. I want to find out. I am not going to use your new name at this at this moment. We need to do a lot of research. So the kids are told that a parent like that, who doesn't at once accept the new identity is a bad person.And that their home may not be a safe home. So you see, this drives a wedge between kids and their loving parents.I have been, for the past few years, seeing these families in my office, both the children or the teenagers and young adults who are distressed about their sex, as well as their parents.And this was one of the huge motivating factors that I realized parents need guidance.They have nowhere to turn.It's a little better now compared to when I started writing the book about, I don't know, a year ago, a year and a half ago or so.Now there are a few organizations, but they still might be difficult to locate.And the mainstream organizations, the doctors, the social workers, the school counsellors, principals, the government organizations, they're all going to go with this narrative that says, the child knows best.Let the child decide.Parents take the back seat, the child is driving, the child is driving in the driver's seat.We don't do this in any other field of medicine.This is not the practice of medicine.Can I ask you, let me bring up the website again, and that is the book you were talking about, 'You're teaching my child what?', with that chapter, Physician Exposes the Lies of Sex Education and How They Harm Your Child.This is the 'Lost in Trans Nation', just out by Skyhorse, who do so many good books I've learned over the years.But you start off with Jo Money's Dangerous Idea, chapter one.I will leave that aside because that's where this started.But then chapter two, Psychiatry's Dangerous Idea.How has the medical world and the educational world grasped on to this idea which, as you say, the child is the one making the decisions, it goes against everything we know as a society up until this point and suddenly everything gets thrown in the bin and now a child knows what they're doing.How did everyone kind of become bewitched by it?Okay, well, I'll mention also, now that you have the book up there, that the foreword is written by Dr. Jordan Peterson, and I'm forever grateful to Dr. Peterson for writing a phenomenal, phenomenal foreword.So you asked what happened to the medical and educational professions.I mean, the short answer is that there has been a crusade of believers in this belief system, this ideology, and they have been wildly successful in their march through our institutions.And I'm a medical doctor, so I'm particularly interested in what happened in my profession.And I can tell you that the watershed moment really in psychiatry was about 10 years ago, when the American Psychiatric Association, in their newest edition of the DSM, which is the Manual of Psychiatric Disorders, decided to remove a diagnosis of gender identity disorder.So until 10 years ago, it was considered a psychiatric disorder, for a person to feel so much distress over their sex that it really impacted, you know, their day-to-day function.And, you know, they insisted that they wanted to live life as the opposite sex and so on.So that was a, and also someone who had tremendous distress about their bodies, their genitals, their breasts and other characteristics of being male or female.It had to have been really causing significant distress for quite some time.Now, these cases of people with gender identity disorder were very, very rare.When I went to medical school, which was a while ago, but when I went to medical school and I did my training in psychiatry, and then in child psychiatry, I never saw one instance, one case of someone with gender identity disorder.It was so rare that, you know, we just thought of it as something that's in the textbooks that we're never gonna see even one case in our entire lives.So, you know, fast forward now, or, you know, five, eight years ago, and there's a veritable, tsunami epidemic of kids.And I'm sure your audience is aware that, you know, the Tavistock GIDS Clinic reported that the numbers of referrals that they got, went up by 5,000%.Yeah. 
That's that crazy graph, which just blows every sensible thought out of the water.
Correct.So the question, of course, when you look at that graph, everyone is going to ask what the heck is going on with the number of referrals.But just getting back, I wanna answer your question, Peter, about the American Psychiatric Association.So the decision that they made to remove the diagnosis of gender identity disorder, and replace it with the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was really a very big deal.Because what they did with that is that they said it's no longer a disorder.And instead of focusing on the identity part, that a person's identity did not match their, biology, they focused on the fact that a person has distress over it. So that if a person has that incongru...Well, if you want that mismatch, so to speak, between how they feel and their body, but they don't have significant distress over it.It's not a, there's no diagnosis.And that, I write about that and how that decision was made.And it was based on two things.Number one, it was based on compassion.Because the professionals who were in that group, that committee, who had the responsibility of studying this subject and making a decision, they were concerned about the very rare individuals who have the disorder.And have very difficult lives, and part of the reason that their lives are difficult is because of stigma. And so they wished to remove the stigma, and they felt that, the quality of life of those people would improve if psychiatry did not consider their condition a disorder. Now, there were a lot of people who argued for the entire diagnosis, the whole category just to be removed, completely taken out of the DSM. So why didn't they do that?Well, they didn't do it because, you see, people who have gender identity disorder or or gender dysphoria, whatever we're going to call it now, need treatment.They're going to very often go for mental health and medical and surgical treatment.Now, for that to be reimbursed, you need a code, a diagnosis for the insurance.I mean, I know that you have a national health service that's a little bit different than what we have over here.But I'm sure that you still need some sort of a code, right?I mean, something has to be considered, have a diagnosis in order to be paid for.So, those were the two things that were behind the decision for the American Psychiatric Association to make that change.And that was a huge change.Now, based on that, you know, other organizations, other groups, LGBT groups and human rights groups and all the organizations that are proponents of what's called now gender-affirming care, and transgender rights, and it's a movement.So they were able at that point to say, okay, not a disorder.Now I explain in my book that actually many years before psychiatry changed the DSM, this was already happening.It was already being accepted that it's a part of human diversity to feel this incongruence, between your body and your mind.So it was psychiatry kind of catching up.But once psychiatry, so to speak, caught up, then there was sort of like no end to the fact that kids could then be told, this is completely normal.If a girl is hating their breasts and their periods, and they're not a stereotypical girl, and they, you know, maybe they're a boy and that's just a normal variant.If you think, you know, you're 12 years old, you don't, you're worried about puberty, you feel more comfortable with the boys, you don't, you're not into makeup and you're not into having crushes on boys and you're not into dresses and all the rest of it, you know what?You might be a boy.So, you know, this was all very huge stuff that was going on, but most of the culture and society, didn't pick up on the significance of these developments.And based on the new DSM, the DSM-5 that came out in 2013 that I'm now talking about, you know, it had huge repercussions within medicine and within culture.And starting at around that time, or maybe one or two years after that, is when we started to see the numbers just explode.So you see that those years, you know, 2011 to 2015.Then there was a little dip. that little dip corresponds to COVID.And then it's just going sky high. And the reason for that dashed arrow, is because that is including the waiting list at GIDS Tavistock.There was a very long waiting list, very huge waiting list of kids.So getting back, you know, I'm providing all this material, for parents because I don't want them to be caught ignorant of all these very important facts. What happened in psychiatry?Where did these ideas come from?What's going on in the schools, what's going on in the legal system, what the effect is on parents to have a child who presents like this? How do you talk to your child the first, the very first few conversations? I have a model conversation there between a parent and a child on this subject when the child comes and says, I'm not your daughter, I'm your son. How a parent can handle it. I have a conversation there also between a parent and either a doctor or therapist.And how to discuss their child with the therapist or doctor who is insisting, that you have to affirm that child. Now, what I want parents to understand, is that there is no medical consensus on this issue. I think parents in the UK are better informed, I hope, than parents in the U.S. because you had the whole, Tavistock and the Keira Bell issue and then the Cass report and...
Well, can I, because I was outside the court a number of times filming Keira and an awful story, and that's taken whistle-blowers, and I talked to a number of the whistle-blowers in the UK.It's taken those whistle-blowers to expose, and one of the chapters is whistle-blowers, and I guess it is the same in the U.S. 
Well, we've only had one, I mean, I think there's been a second now. We did have, we have one, I have a chapter on the whistle-blower here, Jamie Reid, unbelievably courageous woman who was working at a gender clinic in St. Louis, Missouri, and she went and blew the whistle and what she described going on there just....I don't know. There's there's just no words for for that, what one doctor who was working in that gender clinic said. Describing what they do there. We are flying the plane while we are building it, So, yeah. The thing is, you know, we because of our medical system it's gonna take a lot of whistle-blowers here in the US. With you, you had Tavistock, and you had that central referral centre for all the kids in the UK.So it was an easier thing. I don't know how it's going to happen here.We are, day by day, there's more lawsuits against the doctors, which is good, but still, its not enough. And parents will find in my book, actually, that I have many, many tools. And in addition to the tools that I present and the information, the history, what I did is I conducted a survey of parents who have a trans, or had, have or had a transgender identifying child. And I asked them, how would you advise families that haven't gone through this yet but may go through it in the future? So I got responses from 500 parents from 17 different countries.And the book is dedicated to those 500 parents and I list their names. I mean, not most of them didn't use their real names for obvious reasons, but I don't know if you have the book there but in the in the beginning of the book the first pages list all those parents that I have devoted the book to and I say to to them that, you know, I spoke to them from their cars and their basements and their bathrooms because speaking to me, consulting with me, it was as if they were doing something criminal. And I say that they're not criminals, they are heroes. And the criminals are the sex educators and the teachers and the therapists and the surgeons that are that are indoctrinating the kids and then performing these procedures on them. Their day will come.Because when you mentioned Jordan Peterson and I remember reading a op-ed that he wrote a couple months ago, maybe six months ago, could it be longer, in the Daily Telegraph for the UK. He was full on in his anger at surgeons who carry this out and he talked about their butchering children and talked about punishment and I thought kind of that would have opened the floodgates in the media but still our media are very reticent on engaging this issue, but with Jordan riding the forward it requires people of that courage to put this out in the media. 
Well Dr. Peterson, you know, he's a warrior and I'm so grateful. He also had me on his podcast a few months ago. I spoke about the history, John Money. I, I also spoke a lot about the parents.My heart is really, I mean, of course, we're worried about the kids.Obviously everyone's worried about the kids, but people don't speak enough about the parents.And the parents, I recently spoke to a parent who grew up in a war-torn country.Where there was a genocide.And in that genocide, she lost her husband, other members of her family, and she lost a limb.And now she's losing her child to the transgender ideology and that is the worst thing she's ever been through.Losing a child to the transgender ideology and watching her child embark on hormones, she described to me as breaking her more than the genocide broke her.So this is a medical scandal of a huge proportion and I just want to protect families.That's what the book is about. It's about protecting families.I hope that it's easy for you there in the UK to get it.I've had some reports that people had a hard time getting it.But I think you should be able to get it on Amazon.
You can get it on Amazon. I think it's maybe 10-day post waiting.But you can get it.I think this is probably one of the most essential books that parents can read.I mean, for me, who does lots of interviews and programs, I'm vocal on everything, but I realized that a lot of parents are fearful.And you go through, one of the appendix dealing with schools, dealing with child protection services.It is all there to help parents with the internet, social media.Everything is there for parents to take up, to go through, and to go through those appendix.So it is absolutely essential. The stories are there, the background is there, what parents can do.Because I think, as you may have mentioned, parents can feel powerless, and they're worried about raising the issue because of child protection, because of school backlash.Well, they're not powerless. They're not powerless at all. The book empowers them.And I also want to mention, Peter, that it's never too early for parents to say to their kids, You know.You're you're a boy. You're a girl. It's wonderful. You've been a boy or a girl since the moment you were created. No one is assigning anything in the delivery room.It's not the doctor. It's not the midwife. That's assigning that, you from the moment. And I'm not saying that it's a it's a sex ed thing. You don't have to get into the birds and the bees I'm talking about just saying how wonderful it is that you're a boy, You've always been a boy. You will always be a boy and there's many different kinds of boys, There's boys who don't like soccer and cars and trains, there's boys that like, fashion and there's boys that like, literature and art and cooking, and there's all kinds of boys, and there's all kinds of girls.So you want to make sure that your child knows that. And so when they first hear this idea of sex being assigned at birth, I want the kid to just say, what?No, that's not right.That's not right. Why are you saying that to me? Instead of sitting there and just being a sponge. Kids are sponges.You have to reach your kid first. 
100% set those guidelines and affirm kids, affirm children for who they are and don't leave that openness.Can I just ask you Dr. Miriam about what you have faced because it's a crazy world when we say that someone who talks about this is brave.That's the mad situation we have entered into.But what has it been like for you calling out absolute, well, it has been common sense until five minutes ago, and suddenly everything is now open to interpretation and discussion.What has been the response to you putting this concise, well, it's not concise, it is a large publication, 500 pages, but everything is there.What has been the response to it?
Well, the response primarily is the book companies making it and the distributors of the book making it difficult for people to get it.So we have in the US Barnes and Noble, do you have that? We did have it and then they pulled out, but we are no Barnes and Noble, yes.Okay, so Barnes and Noble is the biggest book retailer in the world, I believe.And we have 300 stores here in the US.And when the book came out about a week and a half ago, it was simply unavailable in the stores and people were writing me and, you know, messaging me that they went into a Barnes and Noble and they were told the book is out of stock.And then when they would go online to the Barnes and Noble online and try to order it, they were also told the book is out of stock.So I contacted my publisher, as you say, Skyhorse.A just fantastic publisher, Tony Lyons. And he told me that they never ordered them.They just never ordered the book, so they said they were out of stock. Now, there have been complaints, and so about two days ago, they began to make the book available, but only a month from now. So, you know, let's put it this way. They're, you know, they're putting obstacles in front of people who would like to buy my book.And I will also add that Amazon has had many, probably over a dozen, bogus books on there trying to copy my book.And so when people, people that are listening, and I hope that you will get it, the best way to get it, you have to make sure that you're getting the right book. There's no soft cover. There's no guidebook. There's no synopsis. There's no workbook. So what you want to do is go to my website and use the link on my website or go onto my Twitter, which is at Miriam underscore Grossman, and there's a link right there. People have written me that they've ordered the wrong book and you know it's it's it's, they're upset, you know, they have to, they're it's not, it's you don't want to order the wrong book for heaven's sake and and be tricked, you know, and spend your money on it.Well, we have all the links in the description, however people are watching. It is available on hardback on Amazon in the UK at a one-week delivery time or is available on Kindle, which is how I read a lot of US books, because they're easily available. Just to finish off, can I ask you.Where do you think the pendulum is going in this? It has swung so far one direction, and certainly in the UK, it's begun to be a topic of conversation amongst parents. That hasn't filtered down into our education system or political system as yet, but it will happen. Yeah, tell us about, usually things swing too far one way and then they swing back. 
Yeah, well things have swung very far here in the U.S. where we have our major medical centres, you know, the best medical centres in the country, really, with gender clinics that are putting kids on an assembly line with little or no mental health evaluation, which, of course, is just preposterous because these kids need extensive mental health evaluations and care, and to not give that to them, not provide that, and to go straight to medical, you know, blockers and cross-sex hormones, which, by the way, I mean, you're probably aware, and your audience is probably aware, but in the U.S., people are not aware that there is no good long-term evidence of any benefit from those interventions.And there is evidence of terrible consequences. So there are places in the U.S. that still have on their websites that the blockers are reversible and that blockers are considered, widely considered, safe. That's just simply not true. We even had, about two weeks ago, there was a letter in the Wall Street Journal, a major news publication here.There was a letter signed by 21 experts, clinicians, gender clinicians from nine countries, essentially saying to the doctors here in the US, what are you doing?What are you doing?Yeah, so things are still pretty bad over here. You know, I want to ask you, since you're on the ground there, they decided to not close, Tavistock was going to close this year and then it was extended another year it's open?
So Tavistock was supposed to close. It was given a one year reprieve. It is still operating.Then they have found out that there are other clinics being set up with the same staff under the radar. But the actually good news is that puberty blockers, the government have now ruled them as not safe except for scientific purposes. So my understanding is those cannot be handed out as they were, and the government are doing an investigation. I mean, it's 15 years too late, but at least something is happening and those are no longer freely available.At least the Tavistock Clinic is being looked at with a microscope, but it has been given a one year reprieve and no one seems to know why.Interesting. That is interesting. Okay.
So yeah, lots of confusion here in the UK, but this year puberty blockers being restricted is a, is a massive win.So at least we're seeing movement in the right direction. 
You know, Peter, I want to mention that, um, I'm planning to be in London.Yeah, I'm coming to the, Jordan Peterson, you know, is forming ARC, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.And he invited me to come. I'm very honoured that he invited me to join in on that.And that's the end of October, beginning of November. So I will be in London.And I would love to to meet some of the people there, yourself included.We will talk about that after, we'll pull that together and I'll certainly be around. So I certainly look forward to that. Dr. Miriam, I so appreciate your time today and as I said, as a parent, as someone who commentates on this, this is an absolutely essential book and one that anyone in the UK can get on their Kindle or as hardback and they can just click on the links.So thank you for putting this publication together and thank you for coming on today and sharing your story.
You're welcome. I'm gonna say one more thing. I just got done narrating the entire book.
Oh, so when is that out? 
I did it. It should be pretty soon, the audio book.I did the whole thing. I didn't think I would be able to, but I did it and it was a great experience to read my book out loud.
I actually always love, because I listen  to quite a few audio books, and I love it when the author has done it, because you feel as though you get to know them.You're with them. It's personal.And I love that. So I look forward to that coming out, and we'll certainly do what we can do to promote it. 
Thank you, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Jennifer Arcuri

Much excitement at Hearts of Oak Towers as we welcome back a previous guest, the brilliant Jennifer Arcuri.Jen joins us from across the pond to help us pick through some of the news stories that have caught our eye this week as well as looking at some of her social media posts and digging a little deeper.She is a fountain of knowledge and doesn't mince her words so it will be an entertaining episode as we discuss...- Prosecutors drop campaign finance charge against Sam Bankman-Fried.- The Era of Global Bullshit is upon us as UN Chief declares that the ‘Era of global boiling has arrived'.- "We Own The Science": UN official admits that they partner with Google to control search results.- Meet Bill Gates. Bill is very concerned about climate change. He flies in his private jet to conferences all over the world to ask you to stop driving cars.- America's Left-wing media can't ignore the Hunter Biden scandal any longer as claims of $5M bribes, drugs and prostitutes surround the President's wayward son.- Stop the Pandemic Treaty: The Fight against the WHO.- Sound of Freedom: If CNN is so sure there’s no “powerful paedophile elite” then let’s see the Epstein client list.- 'Only the willingly blind are puzzled at this point': Rise in cancer among younger people worries and puzzles doctors.- Online Safety Bill: Security first. This is surveillance NOT protection.  
California based, American tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri is the founder of the Innotech Network, Hacker House, Pinksheet Database, and Proxsey London.She founded the Infotech Summit to encourage entrepreneurs, policymakers and investors to discuss and shape tech policy.A former film student who started in digital distribution and film production, In 2008, Jennifer produced the short film, "La Valise", which was part of the Short Film Showcase at the Cannes Film Festival.She started her career at the Walt Disney Company as Radio Disney DJ Razzle Dazz, operating under the ABC Company and ESPN Broadcasting, and she has also worked as assistant PA under Bravo's "Inside the Actors Studio" with James Lipton.Jennifer has previously run a video streaming platform and is a cyber security expert, tech geek, producer, adventure seeker, is hot on video content, data visualization and is always looking for game changing technology to rock the world with.She loves to laugh and enjoys anyone with a good story to show and tell.
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Originally broadcast live 29.7.23
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Links to topics discussed...  Sam Bankman-Friedhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/business/sam-bankman-fried-campaign-finance-charge.htmlGlobal Boiling https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/27/scientists-july-world-hottest-month-record-climate-temperaturesThe Sciencehttps://www.zerohedge.com/technology/we-own-science-un-official-admits-they-partner-google-control-search-resultsBill Gateshttps://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1683554712178638848?s=20Hunter Bidenhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350259/The-scandal-engulfing-Hunter-Biden-grave-Americas-Left-wing-media-ignore-longer-claims-5million-bribes-drugs-prostitutes-surround-Presidents-wayward-son-writes-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.htmlPandemic Treaty https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1684663280315281409?s=20CNNhttps://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1682544494430810113?s=20Excess Deathshttps://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1682965287732383744?s=20Surveillance https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1682422340968226816?s=20

Dr Clare Craig - EXPIRED: The Untold Story of COVID, Media Attacks and Questioning the Existence of Viruses

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Dr Clare Craig has become known to many of us over the last 3 years for her medical wisdom and common sense shared on her Twitter account. For 15 years she worked in the NHS so her subsequent time in pathology and clinical data puts her in a perfect position to make sense of the Covid data bombarding us all. Clare joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her first book that was recently published titled 'Expired: Covid, the Untold Story'. She goes through 12 beliefs or assumptions we were all told as fact which she debunks in a clear and systematic way before discussing the media attacks which she has faced, including from so called 'friendly' media.We finish by looking at a new train of thought, that maybe viruses don't even exist, and Dr Craig eloquently puts forward the case to dismantle this argument.
Dr Clare Craig BM BCh FRCPath studied medicine at Cambridge University moving to Oxford for her final three years of clinical training. After qualifying she practised in the NHS for 15 years specialising as a diagnostic pathologist and becoming a fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. Subsequently she was the day to day lead for pathology and clinical data in the cancer arm of the 100,000 Genomes Project and worked in A.I. cancer diagnostics.From May 2020, she has worked full time, pro bono, on covid research, distilling the evidence for a lay audience. Since January 2021 she has co-chaired HART with Dr Jonathan Engler. HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team) is a multi-disciplinary body of experts who have provided an independent source of information on covid issues. Despite attempts to smear her (supported by government) she has continued speaking out and remained a consistent voice of reason and calm throughout the covid era.
'Expired: Covid the untold story' available from Amazon in paperback, audio-book and e-bookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C9FNHYTV/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
Connect with Dr Craig...TwitterX:         https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath?s=20HART Group:  https://www.hartgroup.org/
Interview recorded 19.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Clare Craig. 
I had the privilege of meeting Clare at a Workers for England Union conference earlier this year and she has for the last three years spoken boldly truth on COVID and on Twitter.Not one of her impersonators is the tagline and she's obviously got a medical background, studied Oxford, Cambridge, 15 years in the NHS and she joined us to talk about a book she has just had published her first book, Expired, Covid the Untold Story, and she goes through 12 of the lies, the myths that we were given, and systematically takes those apart. Very well written. And then we look at HART, the Health Advisory and Recovery Team that she has co-chaired since the beginning of 2021, why that's needed, the attacks they have had from the mainstream media, but also more surprisingly the attacks from the so-called friendly media, those that supposedly were on side with us, that often are the most vicious. 
Dr. Clare Craig, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for joining us. 
(Dr Clare Craig)
Thanks for having me on Peter.
No, great to have you on and can I just point out that she is not one of her impersonators. Do you know that tagline, that stuck with me and I knew what your tagline was before I knew who you were and I kept saying, what's this not one of her impersonators? Who is this person and then I delve deeper. So I love that little tagline you have on it.
Actually, my daughter persuaded me to remove it this week, so why do you say that, it's so embarrassing.And actually I haven't had an impersonator for a while, so I did take it off this week, so now I'm just me.Just you, all good, all good. And obviously, @ClareCraigPATH on Twitter, the best place to find you and then all the links out from there. And your background, obviously medical, studied medicine at Cambridge University before moving to Oxford. You were in the NHS 15 years, and then you worked a lot on the cancer side. That's possibly for another time. That's an intriguing side, just that, but we'll park that aside. We're going to get on to your book, which has just come out at the end of last month, expired. Get on to heart why, that was started, what that's for and then a couple of the stories that you have been highlighting as you have been doing for the last three years. But Claire if I can ask you first, just give us a little bit of your background and also your medical background because that actually gives you the, legitimacy to write a book which you've written.Okay, so yeah I'm a fully qualified doctor, I qualified in 2000 and you know I was a junior doctor on the hospital wards back in the day, but I went and specialised in diagnostics because it always struck me that that was the most important thing really, you've got to get that bit right and I also never had enormous faith in all that pharmaceutical companies told me about their drugs, and didn't particularly want to be a drug peddler.So I went down the diagnostics route from early on. And also that fascinated me because you get the full breadth of medicine and you get all the kind of scientific backing of it.And so it really felt like the meat to me of the subject.And so when I first started down the kind of COVID path, it was with that diagnostics hat on.So it was in summer of 2020.And as somebody who knows about medical testing, there were issues that were really clearly going on with how we were testing for COVID in that period.And there were clearly testing errors being treated as if they were real disease.And I didn't have time to dig into it at the time. So I had been home-schooling four children.And then it was the summer holidays. And so during the summer holidays, I was like, I can't wait for them to go back to school because I really want to get some data out and have a look at what's going on here.And so it was September when I did. And what I tried to do was check that hypothesis that there was a problem by looking at whether the people who are being diagnosed or in hospital and dying with a COVID label in the summer had the same characteristics as the ones in spring.Because there were certain things about COVID that were quite unique, like it killed 60% men in the spring of 2020.And there were far more Black people in ICU. And there were more diabetics and hypertensive.And there's all sorts of things that tell you that this is COVID without the test.So you can compare those and see how well the test is doing.And so I did that and it didn't look like it was doing very well.And I thought, well, what do I do with this?And I wasn't on social media or anything like that, really not my cup of tea, that kind of thing, nor is being on these sorts of shows, by the way, but I'm doing it anyway.But that, so you've grown your Twitter to a sizable following really on the back of you speaking truth on COVID.Yeah, I've kind of just tried to do that and you know I have just told people what the evidence is showing and there does seem to be an appetite for that because it's not being provided by mainstream sources and yeah that really is all that I have done. It's been a very odd journey really, the whole social media thing, because I remember getting stage fright repeatedly at particular points. The number of followers would go up to a hundred and I'd think, oh god, now that feels like I'm speaking to a lot of people and then it'd be a thousand and I'd have the same thing and I'd just go quiet for a while. I'd hit each of the landmarks and then it got so big that I just couldn't actually visualize it anymore and then just carried on. But yeah, every now and again I do, I'm astonished by how many people are listening to what I'm saying.But it is a huge responsibility and I think all of us who are speaking out, you're speaking out, as a real expert, a true expert, but there are many commentators and we really do, you do others, you have a responsibility in what we put out because there are a lot of people watching that and observing and taking that as fact and that is, that is pressure. 
Yeah, absolutely and, you know I have made mistakes along the way and so I have tried to always acknowledge that but there's this awful thing that happens where, if you make a mistake, especially when it's something that, like the it's more likely to be a mistake if it's something slightly shocking, something surprising.So you'll make a mistake and that will go really far and then you'll try and correct it if it's wrong and then that doesn't get picked up and so there's always that it's really really difficult because you can't go wrong. If you go wrong you can't really pull it back and you know I've learned that lesson the hard way. I think I've touched wood, it's been a while since I made a mistake that I've had to try and pull back on. But I was doing that earlier on and, you know, had to really learn that the hard way around. And the thing is that I'm going to make mistakes, right? That's the problem. And that's the whole problem with the way that free speech is approached at the moment, is that people seem to have this idea that you should be allowed to speak as long as you get everything right.Well, nobody.That means that nobody can speak, because everybody knows they're going to make mistakes at some point about some things.And so as soon as you're told that you're going to be cancelled if you make a single mistake, then you're basically silencing everybody.Yeah, 100%. Before we get on the bit, what point was it? Many of us were looking on at the information coming out.At daily death totals and I'm trying to make make sense of it and I've always found intriguing talking to those in the medical community because I want to hear kind of where they came from, what they were looking at, what they were suspicious about, how they viewed it. What was it for for you? Was there a point where you thought, hmm, this doesn't seem right.
Yeah, so I was really bought into the whole thing in spring 2020, and I think that the Diamond Princess story stopped me worrying about me and my husband and my children, but I was still worried about the system collapsing, and I was still worried about my parents, you know, I was still watching BBC, looking at the counts. I remember that, I really vividly remember actually, the time when it was about to peak and like the amount it had risen each day had slowed and every day you'd kind of say well has it fallen yet, has it fallen yet, and there was about a week before the death toll finally fell. But in that period you know I was completely bought into the whole thing and worried about the staff on the front line, volunteered myself to help but was never contacted and really it wasn't until the summer and that sort of testing issue that I started to properly question what was going on and then having you know put my face and my name online saying there's a problem here, really naively I expected one of two things to happen I thought either they're going to say oh no no no you've got that wrong you've looked into it and it's x y z or they'd say, oh yeah, you're right, we'll see what we can do to fix it. I really thought those were the two scenarios I was facing. But what actually happened was that I got attacked, and people tried to cancel me and then other people got in touch and introduced themselves and said, actually, you know, I've had this concern about my area of expertise. And so I was then kind of thrown into this world of scepticism with a lot of people who sounded genuine but who were clearly minorities in their field, as no one else in their field was saying this, it was just a few of them, or just them. I thought, well I can't just believe all these people because that's not rational.And so I had to sort of go back to first principles and try to figure out what they they were saying each time.And it took ages. And I wasn't working, so I could do it.But I was literally all hours of the day trying to figure out what was going on.And I always said it took about six months to figure out what was really happening.But I mean, that's not really true, because I've continued to learn about it since.I mean, it's been a huge amount of work to try to figure out what's going on.And that was part of the reason for writing the book, actually was, if I've just gone through all this complexity to try to get a handle on it, other people can't be expected to do that, you know, I want a shorter journey for other people.And obviously a lot of people have taken that journey independently and are where we're at, But what I really wanted for the book was to aim for people who are at the beginning and want to, well not necessarily the beginning, hopefully appeals to everyone. I learnt loads writing it and I think there'll be, you know, I think even though you know loads about it Peter, I hope you'd enjoy reading it because there's brilliant stories in there, there are new little bits of information you might not know. But the style I wanted to write it in was to avoid anyone running away, sticking their fingers in their ears, feeling foolish. I didn't want any of that and ultimately there's some brilliant books already out there for our side of the argument.But the titles are very off-putting to say the least to someone who's on the other side.And there's a lot of anger, understandably, in those books. And to be honest, there's a bit of anger in my book, too.But I've tried to keep it towards the end. Because I think if you're going to explain to people what's happened, the problem we had when I started out writing this in 2001 is that when you were speaking to someone about it face-to-face, You might take some little part of the puzzle, and you would explain that to them, and they'd understand it.And then they would be in cognitive dissonance because it didn't fit with all the other parts of the puzzle as they understood it.And so next time you met them, you'd be back at square one. And so I thought the only way to actually teach people about this is to have their attention for a considerable period of time, because you have to explain all the different facets in order to understand the whole.And so that was why I thought I'm going to have to write a book because otherwise people won't get it.So the book isn't really, it's not my Twitter feed. It's not the kind of maths and graphs and science, but that I could have written.And maybe one day I will write because I wanted it to really have a purpose, which was to be able to, you know, get through to people who maybe just now starting to get curious, who just now the fear starting to ebb, they're able to actually think rationally again, I want to talk to them.Well, I'll bring it up. Obviously there have been so many. Some look at the political failure.Ed book looks at the excess deaths that's happening. Others look at the media.Laura Dodsworth book looking at how fear was used in the media. And there are so many aspects of it.Here is, let me bring up, here is Expired, COVID, the untold story.And it's a large book. How, so you spent quite a while, I assume, working on it.What was that like? I've never written a book. I've talked to others who, big things have happened and they said, I have to put pen to paper and I have to put my thoughts down.Did you ever feel you were never going to get it finished because there's so much to cover?What was your kind of, was a narrow focus? Did that become wider?Were you concerned you, you know, you never get to covering everything?What was it like for you as someone writing the first book?So, I mean, all of the things that you just said, really. So, I set out to take each of these beliefs around COVID and start with where people were at and explain to them why they believe what they believed and then sort of show which parts of that story aren't very true.And I kind of came up with quite a few beliefs because there are all sorts of beliefs around COVID that are flawed.And then I thought, actually, that's not going to really be enough.So what I need to do is also explain to people, the psychology of belief, why we believe what we believe, what we take on trust, why we change our mind, how important authority is, how important fear is, because otherwise you haven't really understood why you've believed it all.So I put that bit in. And then it became also a little bit about sort of almost pseudo-religious aspects of it, the way we have these false prophets and the high priests and Puritans with their zero COVID claims.And so there was that theme running through it too.And actually at one point it was, got really too big.And so I pulled out the vaccine. I just thought, right, let's just do a book about the virus and how it spreads.And so the vaccine is gonna be book two and the treatments and the origin.So all the kind of slightly meatier topics. And actually the book two is also more about the witch hunts. And it's just like it's step two of the whole thing. So step one is the mild introduction version.And then it really ramps up. And so having done that, it was a more reasonable size.And then it sort of grew again.And so what was helpful about it taking? It really did take a lot of work.And I read loads of nonfiction.And whenever I read a nonfiction book, I always think, wow, that must have been so much work to do.And it is. It's so much work to do. But what I was hopeful about taking a long time is thatIt didn't change. So, you know, I'd written this story, I've explained everything in this way, and you think, well, over time, other things might be revealed, which would mean that you, might have to rewrite bits, or you might have emphasised things wrongly, and it didn't change.That was really reassuring, that after sitting on it, well, it wasn't sitting on it, but you know, after the editing and the typesetting, all the processes you have to go through, I didn't feel like it needed to be changed. It's the same story it held for that length of time. And, you know, it's also a brilliant reference book. So whilst doing it, it was really helpful to me because I knew where to go for all the different key bits of information because it was all there and referenced in the document I was working.
You go, you break down, you go through different, you call them beliefs.And you say, well, this is one belief and wasn't correct.COVID only spread through close contact or COVID would likely kill me or everyone's susceptible.And you go through each of them and disprove it.You even say, how does Scientists get things wrong? Wow, that's a break with tradition in this day and age where everything we are told from someone who has an educational background must be true because they've learned it in a university somewhere.What, as you were going through, tell us about, yeah, putting all those in and how you, I guess, how you went about refuting it because it is, we've all had these debates with friends, family, colleagues, and sometimes you feel as though you're hitting a brick wall And they're just saying, but the BBC told me.And you're like, no, let's think through. How did you feel just trying to break down these positions and nullify each of them.So, I mean, this was, like, the thinking behind it, I can't say this all 100% mine.You know, I've been talking to people about this stuff for a long, long time, and, you know, the people in HART in particular, and trying to figure out what was going on.And that took us on all sorts of different journeys. So sometimes where we ended up was in the history books 100 years ago, we're thinking, well, where did this come from, this idea?So the idea, say, of asymptomatic transmission.That's been around a long time, and it's never been based on anything more than it was a really good explanation for why some of the other myths don't look right in the real world.So there was this guy called Charles Chapin, who was a public health officer in Providence in Rhode Island.And he wrote a book in 1910, which became the textbook of public health medicine.And sure, he's a perfectly pleasant guy, but it's quite clear from his writing that he's got an issue with germs.He talks about how he has to touch things that people have touched on public transport, and the windowsills are all dirty, and people lick the pages of a book he might touch.So he's got this real issue with it.And he is absolutely passionate about close contact transmission.And he's passionate about it because he's living in an era where there's still a bit of a hangover from miasma theory.So the germ theories won the argument 50 years before him. And the miasma theory was discredited and was over.But people still talked about things being spread through the air.And they talked about, he calls it the sewer gas fogie, this idea that the smells from the sewer have got disease in them and you want to avoid it.And he thought this was completely wrong and that it was only spread through close contact for every disease except TB.He had an exception for TB because people had done this experiment where they put hamsters in cages at the top of a TB ward and the hamsters caught TB.So he thought, well, we'll exclude TB, but he basically grouped every other infectious disease, the same. So TB was different, but everything else must spread the same way.And he talks about mouth spray and how it's coming out in mouth spray.And so you have to be in close contact to somebody for a spread to occur.And he did some good things. Well, probably did some good things.So one of the things that made him so passionate about this was that there was evidence at the time that in infectious disease wards in the hospital, if you separated the beds a bit more, disease spread less in that ward.And so he thought, well, this is proof that it must all be from bodily fluids.And therefore, you know, we've got to really, we've got to make sure people are all doing this.And so that's what he was really evangelical about. And I think probably he was right that spreading out the beds reduced infection in hospitals.But it wasn't because of mouth spray. It was because of a variety of reasons, depending on the disease.And for respiratory diseases, it was largely because aerosols are at a much higher concentration than they are to a person that you are. But they can spread a long, long way.And anyway, so he had this theory. He wrote up his book. And towards the end of the book, he says, well, the real problem with my theory is influenza, because we know that it appears overnight, just rapidly, all across the world.And we get these massive surges that are too fast for it to be spread person to person.So he said, the only way to explain this is a symptomatic transmission.It must be that all of these people that are apparently healthy are the ones giving it to you.And then, at the end of the book, he says, probably wrong on most of this, but you know.So he kind of does this disclaimer where he says, obviously, this is just based on what we know today.There's bound to be more that we find out along the way.And I'm very happy to keep learning and accept that some of this is going to be wrong.And that bit obviously always gets completely ignored. And everyone bought into the close contact spread idea and bought into the asymptomatic transmission idea.And it doesn't really seem to have been questioned properly since.And the close contact transmission story has been questioned a lot by physicists who do work on aerosols.So often they were experienced in air pollutants and how they move.But the physics is the same for aerosols from people. And so they knew all about how aerosols could spread and how they'd go long distances.And we're saying this at the beginning of the pandemic, as it were, inverted commas, and they were shut down and ignored.They were called misinformation spreaders by the WHO. And what's interesting about that particular group though, is that they have always tried to go along with the narrative. So that they would always, in their writing, they'll say, well, we know that it's not droplet spreading it, which masks might be able to stop because a big droplet of saliva would be stopped by a mask.We think it's aerosols, but that means you need to mask more with better masks.So they kind of use that, I think. Well, I don't know if it's deliberate or subconscious, and maybe they do believe it.So that's a way in to the medical literature, is to say what your findings are, and then you sort of recite the scriptures of the public health high priests, and then you get published.It's ridiculous, but if you look at it, you can see that this has happened again and again throughout the last few years, where people will show a result that actually contradicts the scriptures, but in the abstract introduction and the discussion, they'll repeat the scriptures, and then they get published, and then they're through.And so that's what these people were doing as well, but I think they do believe it because they continue to talk about the importance of respiratory masks to reduce aerosol transmission.But do you think, so looking at this, usually with any business you assess what you're doing, you assess your relationship with the customer, you assess how you're growing and you keep looking at that and want to do things better and you get rid of things that aren't working. My huge worry, is that no one in position of authority seems to have learned anything. No one is willing to say actually we really screwed up on this in this area or that area. It's no no no we we did our best and if something happens again we'll probably do something similar. How is it that those in authority, I mean the medical, media, government. They're not learning from mistakes. It's weird.It's very, very weird. So they sort of do these kind of goalpost shifts, don't they?So with the vaccine, the goalpost was, well, it starts off with, we're going to get herd immunity and COVID is going to go away.And I think that was said repeatedly by all sorts of people.That was how it was sold at the beginning.And that was a justification for no one is safe until everyone is safe, which actually that phrase is still being used, still up on the WHO website.And then the evidence came out that actually that was not the case.These vaccines do not stop infections.And so they started saying, well, but they stop hospitalisations and deaths and emphasise that more.But at no point have they said, no, they don't stop infections.And so we still, and even in June, the Department of Health was still pushing adverts, last chance to get your first dose aimed at people like me who haven't had one.Because for good reason, and it's not bad to go and get one, but the reasoning can only be, to stop an infection. And they're still now justifying giving it to children, because the child lives with someone who believes that they are at risk. That's frightening. That's completely unethical and yet that justification is ongoing. But in the meantime, we've had good evidence since that actually it's worse than nothing. It's not that it's not stopping infection, the people who've had the most doses are the ones most likely to be infected.And that message is obviously being massively suppressed, but there's good evidence for it.And where there was sort of public health data sources that were showing this shifting trend that with Delta, the infections did appear to be more in the unvaccinated relatively.Over time that reduced, reduced, reduced, and then it went the wrong way and it became more in the vaccinated.And then that data source got pulled and that happened again and again across the world.And those data sources have not been put back up.And you think, well, what are we meant to think about that, guys?That's just the biggest signal that there's a terrible issue going on here.And so they might suppress this big, cleave-in study with 45,000 health care workers being tested repeatedly.Which clearly shows a dose dependency.But if they're not showing the real-world data either, you're like, well, you're just hiding this problem that you've created now.And we don't know where that problem's going to go. We don't know what that means longer term.And there seems to be a belief that almost everybody holds at the moment, which might well be right, that COVID's basically over now.It's done. But I am not 100% sure that is right. So if you look at wastewater sampling, which is obviously are pretty, that measure isn't affected by how often people are tested and all that kind of thing.It's just a straightforward measure over time. And it's starting to creep back up in the southern states of the USA, which at this time of year start to get COVID again.And it may be that it'll just come and go, but I'm not completely convinced by this story that everyone's had it.We're told repeatedly everyone's had it, based on blood donor samples, looking at antibodies, and they say, well, you know, we've traced it all through, and we've seen it rise and rise and rise, and now everybody's had it.But I'm not very sure that that data is right, because when you ask people, which I've done repeatedly, albeit on Twitter, but you know, samples of 20,000 people, and I've done it over time, every few months, and I'm always getting around the same answers, and it changes over time.But we're still at a point where about 40% of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people say they've not had this thing. You think, well that's a huge chunk if we're, you know, if it's working its way through the population, we've got some way to go yet.Where does that put the public in terms of trust in the health profession, because nowI think actually I really don't want to go and see my doctor.Not that you can anymore, because you have to go through four phone calls and have a full assessment by some person somewhere before you even see a doctor, but that's a separate issue.Simply, I think that if I go and see my doctor, all they're going to do is give me a load of drugs that they're probably making money on. And it's the last place. I mean, anyone who tells me that, oh, yes, you're sick because you don't have any symptoms.So if you have no symptoms, that means you're sick. That's great. Or because you've had a a box that's made in China and therefore that tells you, I mean it's, we used to not trust when I said made in China, now actually we have trusted our lives literally with that. But what from your assessment is, as someone who has worked in the health industry all your professional life, what's the damage this has done to the profession and to doctors and to the public going to see their medical professional. 
So for a long time I was really distraught about the damage this had done to the medical profession and the inability of my peers to see it. They couldn't see the harm that they each individually were causing and that's the thing isn't it, that because they're in the majority, because they're in the group, they sort of think, well I'm I'm doing the right thing.It's not me. It's not on me, any of this.But of course it is, because you didn't speak out. You didn't say the difference.You didn't show. You didn't question it. You didn't speak to your colleagues and say, we can't be doing it like this.Anyway, over time, I've come to not only be reconciled with the loss of trust, but actually, I see it in a completely different way.I think there was too much trust in doctors. There was too much.And I absolutely think that every patient who's properly sick needs a doctor that they can trust, a trusting relationship with their doctor.And that's absolutely what I would want if I was sick.But I think that trust has to be earned. And it shouldn't just be there just because of a white coat.That's not a good place to be. Because when you're acutely ill and anxious, of course, you want to just be able to put all of your faith in medicine.But that isn't probably where faith belongs. And, If it means that people are a little bit more questioning, a little bit more careful, a little bit more cautious about the advice, wanting to check what it really means and understand it for themselves, a little bit more careful about preventing having to ever see a doctor, if you can do all those things to keep yourself healthy so that you're not in front of a doctor.Then actually that's a good thing.I think all of those are good things. And I think as a society we perhaps have become more unhealthy because of this faith in the medical profession, being able to just solve all your ills. And very often in reality, I mean medicine's done some brilliant stuff. I mean I'm a really big fan of some aspects of Western medicine. We have testicular cancer used to kill young men and now almost all young men, if they're diagnosed early enough, they're going to be cured. It's a brutal treatment, but they get to live the rest of their life. And that's a phenomenal thing that is a really exciting achievement of the way that science has developed and taught us things. So I'm not anti-medicine in any way. But on the other hand, I know lots of people who take far too many drugs. And doctors are not very good good at stopping people taking drugs.And my father is one of the people that it brings to mind. But he actually died last year.But in the lead up to his death, it felt like he was consuming more pharmaceuticals than food.It was just the balance was completely wrong. And I'd been fighting for some years to get him off certain drugs that clearly weren't appropriate.And I couldn't get the doctors to stop it. And I didn't want to be the one that stopped it.His relationship was with his doctor, not with me.And I think he was sceptical about some of them, too, but didn't want to rock the boat.And that's not healthy, right? We need to have a medical profession that thinks as often about stopping this into starting them. because...That every medicine has a side effect, you know, they all have side effects and some, you know, if you get the dose right, hopefully it makes not much difference, but over time you might find that a side effect becomes a problem and then you're going back to the doctor and you're getting a drug to treat the side effect and these quickly enter a bit of a vicious cycle that we need to avoid if we want to have a healthy population.Can I, I want to ask you about HART, Health Advisory Recovery Team that you have co-chaired since the beginning of 2021 and I'm sure writing this book will not do your medical career in the UK any good and I'm amazed at people's willingness to speak truth despite the personal cost it is for them and I know to people like you I think wow if only we had more people like yourself in all different fields who would actually stand up and speak what they believe is right as opposed to following the line. But tell us about HART. I've read a lot of the information HART has put out.Is that a collection of those working in the medical profession that are questioning? Just tell us about that and what people can find on the website.So HART is a group of professionals but we're not all medics by any means.We've got other healthcare professionals including lots of psychotherapists who you know obviously they were very, concerned about the fear propaganda and the impact that everything's had on mental health. But we've also got other professionals including economists and ethicists and lawyers and all sorts of skill sets, because really it's not about just medicine.And so a good chunk of those people were speaking out independently and were being dismissed as being outliers or lone wolves and attacked as individuals. And so the person who set it up said, we've got to bring you guys together so that you can't be attacked like that and that you're speaking as one, which is why we did it. And we actually started off authoring different articles. We started off with a big review of the evidence, sort of going through different aspects of the narrative that didn't make sense based on conventional science.So there's something very interesting about how this played out in that if you have something new discovered in science.What happens is that the person with this sort of new hypothesis will say, Look now, I found this thing.And they might have to argue their case against the sort of established authorities who've got their evidence base where that didn't fit.So you've got this sort of new thing, new evidence up against the old guard and this old body of old beliefs.So that's where the battle lies. But with Covid, we had the authorities taking on a new belief system.And so in HART, we had the whole body of established scientific knowledge that we could rely on to say, well, this is actually what's going on.And so that's what was happening. It's we were writing based on decades of knowledge, saying, well, what they're saying there isn't right.And so what the benefit of that was, that a year on, we went back to that evidence review and we said, which of it did we get wrong? Because it's been a year, we've bound to got some of it wrong.Let's go back and review each of those things and update it.And when we did that, there wasn't very much we'd got wrong at all, because it was just common sense and broad understanding of how the world works compared to some really very strange new beliefs that had been introduced but had been bought by the whole population.So from that, we went on to writing weekly bulletins. So we've kind of tried to give an evidence-based review of things that have been happening in the world that mainstream media aren't covering.Largely around COVID, almost entirely around COVID.And so we have now this huge, this website's full of information, which again stacks up over time. You know, it hasn't really, all of it still works. And there was a time, in fact, it was in the summer of 2021, when we were quite badly under attack.And I had already been attacked brutally back in January 21 by Neil O'Brien, who was an MP.And at the time, he was a minister in the Justice Department.And he did this sort of Twitter shaming of me, where he pulled out tweets that I'd said and was essentially saying, oh my god, she said this. Look at this. She said this.And for some of them, I'd got it wrong. And so by all means, tease me, shame me. I made a mistake.But for quite a lot of them, I was just stating facts. I was saying things like the number of A&E attendances in this period was less than the period the year before.And that was something that didn't fit with what you'd expect, because that was during January 2021, when we were in the middle of the COVID wave.We're going to get overwhelmed. And so somebody who was reading the BBC and thinking we're about to be overwhelmed might read that and think, well, that's not true. It can't be true.But it was true. It was true. And I was being shamed by a minister saying, oh, my God, she said this. Can you believe it? What is this person? Call yourself a doctor.She's saying there's fewer attendances.There were fewer attendances. So it's a bit hard. It's really odd to know how to defend yourself.When someone's like calling you out for telling the truth, what's the defence there? Anyway, so that happened. And then in the summer of 2021, HART were using this kind of conversation software. So we were sort of sharing conversations with each other online, and it got hacked.So we were sort of illegally hacked, and the content of those conversations were shared.And within 24 hours of being hacked, a company called Logically AI contacted us and said, we're about to publish all of your chat logs, do you want to, you know, write to respond as if they're, as if they're journalists, right?So you're like, oh my God, what the hell is this? And we did actually give a response and they did print that response.But it turns out this company was a tiny setup that was formed by a 27 year old on his own who's still the only named shareholder director in the company, was given 1 and 1⁄2 million pounds by the government.And this is what they did. And if you go back now, actually, I just wrote an article recently for HART.You can find it on the website, where I went back to reviewing what they said about us in June 2021.And basically, the way they were trying to smear us was saying, these people say lockdowns don't work.These people say masks don't work. So they were literally saying that because our beliefs, well, our knowledge was conflicting with their beliefs, that was enough to be smeared.And so I went through in the Tweets and the article all the things that they were using to discredit us, to show that absolutely those have stood up over the course of time.And the one thing that was slightly more controversial was the last one, where people in the HART chat group we've been having a conversation abouthow certain people after their injections seem to have magnetism in their arm at the injection site and that sounds bonkers but actually there was really good evidence of that and people didKind of Vox Pox type videos where they were out in the street with people, complete strangers, asking them if they've been vaccinated and trying it out and half the time there was nothing there at all. But, you know, like 40% of the time, these magnets were sticking and you could feel the pull and it wasn't just, you know, it was only in that particular point in the arm, it wasn't in the other arm, it wasn't sweat, it was really clearly there was something going on there. But, you know, that is obviously quite an odd thing to be talking about. And we talked about it in the chat log in private saying, what do we do with this? What do you think about this? Because actually, that's how science works. You get to discuss things. And we didn't talk about it in public. But I did in this article that I just wrote just now, because I think this was a real phenomenon.I don't think it was microchipping and all that nonsense that people sort of, you know, but I do think it was a real phenomena. And the fact is that.So some, although we don't know all because it's all secretive, but some of the manufacturers who are making this product use magnetic beads to separate out the nucleic acid.So what happens is you have all sorts of stuff, sort of cellular machinery that's being used to make the product, and you have to go through purification steps along the way, otherwise you're gonna be injecting all sorts of gubbins.And so one of the ways to purify is to use magnetic beads that have antibodies on them that hold on to the bits that you're trying to separate out.And then you wash them clean.And then you use electric forces to get the magnets to release it.And then you've got what you need. But we know now that there were all sorts of contaminants in these vaccines. So we have DNA from the bacterial plasmids of being used that got into the vaccines.There's endotoxin from bacterial cell walls that seem to have got into some of the vaccines.So the idea that these magnetic beads never made it, never got sucked out along with the rest, is just, of course, they would have done sometimes.And so we can't prove how many of the manufacturing lines had magnetic beads.But the idea that some people have magnetic beads in them, having been injected with something that wasn't very pure, Yeah, I completely buy that.Yeah, that whole thing on different batches is a massive area.And just two things I want to ask you, one was the attacks.You've had friendly fire attacks. I mean, that article spiked, I think, that had issue.And the attacks are either calling you out for speaking truth or throwing names at you.Those are the two tactics, the truth. Yeah, that is what I said, or you're anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, whatever it's going to be.Has that surprised you, coming from angles that you think, actually, I thought we were kind of on the same side here.
I've never been called a flat earther. But yeah, I do get called things by people who were supposedly on the same side as me.And probably not as much as some people, because I kind of don't do anything dramatic ever.So I never quite get the same attention that some of them.I mean, I don't know if this is right, right? I'm not criticizing here. I really strongly believe that having a whole range of voices over a spectrum of beliefs is what free speech is about, and it's really, really important that all voices are heard. But my voice is a bit boring.You know, if there's a sort of level of evidence that you've got, you've sort of got a bar, and I will always go a bit below that bar to say, well, this is what we know.
We have some flamboyant characters who engage in this, I know.
Particularly, it's really interesting, the kind of cultural divide with the US.Because the US always, they go a bit above the bar.And I don't think that that's wrong. I think that's just a cultural difference.In the UK, you say, we've got proof of sort of this. And you under-exaggerate, and people believe you.Whereas in the US, if you're not going over the bar, they think you're talking about something else, because they have that, they just that's how they communicate about risk and about harm. And anyway, so there is that difference. But I have these days, the attacks I get it's friendly fire, it's all aroundthe virus not existing. So there's a lot of people who think that there is no such thing, and I'm not one of them and they get upset by that and you know I think they've probably been shut down more than most and I don't think that's helpful. As I said I think it's really important to hear all voices, but I'll just go through the arguments for why I think virus exists, if you like.So, I believe there was a new illness with characteristic symptoms. They're not completely unique symptoms, because there's only so many symptoms a body can have, right, but they're fairly characteristic. So, actually, one of the polls that I did was trying to work out, you know, who's who's had this thing, and I was talking to people who think they'd had it before testing was widely available, and comparing their answers to people who had it when testing was widely available.And basically, you could tell you had it because of how long it lasted, and because even if you didn't have characteristic symptoms, someone else who cohorted around the same time as you did. And, you know, so there were ways of telling without any testing at all whether or not, you'd had it and I've had it and I've had some weird symptoms. I had eye pain, I couldn't look sideways without my eyes really hurting and actually that's other people have reported that as well. So you know I think you can kind of tell if you've had it. So I think there was this disease with characteristic symptoms and I think it would have been noticed regardless but it would have probably been called a nasty flu if we'd had no molecular biology. And we know that there were instances of spread where groups of people caught it at the same time as each other in a particular place.So there was some kind of environmental factor that is responsible for the symptoms, right?And then we know that these people with these symptoms that caught at the same time as each other, are much more likely than other people to have this particular sequence of RNA when you test their orophants, right?And the sequence of, you know, the testing's not perfect, but the chances of these people testing positive compared to random people is massively different. So there was definitely something there and it's a very specific sequence.And then these same people also test positive for the proteins that that sequence produces.So you can say, well, look, you know, this is the sequence that codes for these proteins and that these people also have these proteins in them.And then they develop antibodies to those proteins over time, right?So you've got a whole sequence of things that say there is a virus.All of that to me says there is a virus.Now.The no virus people seem to be in various different camps, so some of them seem to think there's no viruses at all ever, which is ridiculous, because we've got biological systems which work based on replication of nucleic acid, and any system that's working based on, code is going to be susceptible to viruses, because why wouldn't there be a virus that can interact with that code? It's almost that's the harder thing to believe, is that you could have a system like that where there isn't such a thing as a virus. Now where I have some sympathy with the no virus people is that there are bits of evidence that don't completely fit with this narrative of scary virus out to get us, breathe it in, you get sick, you know there's all sorts of aspects of that that are wrong. So part of it's around the fact most of us aren't susceptible to any one variant, and parts of it's around the fact that our immune systems are developed such that they learn from other foreign material what apparently novel things would look like because it's only ever looking at shapes, it's not ticking off nucleic acid sequences on a list.And one of the things that I have sympathy with them over is that if you look at hospital COVID.You could come up with, based on the narrative, you'd come up with this theory.You'd say, OK, so we had this disease in the community.And over time, there'll be, after it's peaked in the community, you'd expect to see a peak of people coming through A&E, which is what happened.Coming through A&E, also testing positive, because they've been sick in the community and they've now got so sick they've got to come to hospital.And then you're going to have, after that, a peak of people in hospital who are breathing out the virus.And so the peak of people catching it in hospital should be after that.You've had a peak of virus, and then you get a peak of people who've caught it in hospital because you've got that sort of incubation period of a few days, and then it would all die away.But when you look at the data, that's not what happens.So what actually happens is that the peak of people testing positive in a hospital setting happens at the same time as it happens in the community.So there's something that's causing people, whether they're in hospital or in the community, to be susceptible in this wave-like manner that peaks and falls.And then some people get really sick following that.And I'm not suggesting the hospitalized population only had as much COVID as the community.They didn't. They had substantially more.But there you've got people who are, their immune systems, you know, are either very busy with something else or really not working very well at all because they're sick people. So of course you have a higher rate of spread among sick people than you do in the community. But the point is that there is something causing waves of susceptibility that we don't understand. And this has been talked about for a long, long time, but never really acknowledged. So there's a GP called Dr. Hope Simpson who worked in the, well, in the 30s, he set up as a GP and shortly afterwards, he turned his cute little Cirencester cottage, this 18th century cottage, into the epidemiological centre for influenza research.Well, I can't remember the exact title, but he gave it this very, very impressive sounding name.And he studied influenza and he studied it in a really holistic way.So he's got all sorts of evidence based on old parish death records going through his local area, what happened over time.And a lot of his work was based on people developing antibodies to influenza.And he showed that only 10% to 15% of people are susceptible to any wave.And he talked about this susceptibility. And he called these surges and what happened after them.He said that they were caused by a seasonal trigger. And I think that's a really useful term because there is a seasonality to it. It doesn't mean it's once a year, but there is definitely a predictable timing of these seasonal triggers.But we don't know what causes them. And actually, one of the things he reports in his book on influenza is that when you're working in a lab with animals on influenza and you're trying to infect the animals, and people have done this with all these careful experiments where they're looking at different temperatures and humidity and other environmental factors.And what they find is that, regardless of those factors that they're controlling carefully in their experiments, it's much easier to infect them in the winter.Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it? There's something going on there that we don't understand.And I think that the way the susceptibility isn't just around how likely you are to catch it.I think it's also how sick it makes people. Because we saw that the hospital fatality ratio, which was hard to measure at the very beginning because there wasn't as much hospital testing.But over time, by the time you get to April, May, there was actually plenty of hospital testing.And you see it fall quite dramatically, and then rise again with the next wave and fall again.You think, well, there's something to that, that there's more than.And it kind of makes sense to have.It makes sense of a lot of things, because we know that we've got variants in the community now.And we've had them every summer and yet it doesn't spread.And so, well, you know, how come this one that was around all summer not spreading.When people suddenly become susceptible to in the autumn and the winter, I think, why were none of them catching it in the summer? You know, it was around. And, you know, I get the idea of the mass of the spread, that it might start off slowly. And then, but actually, when you do the maths, the timing is not like it would be with close contact spread. So the all the modelers at the beginning, when Neil Ferguson et al, when they looked at their models of, you know, this person gives it to this person, gives it to this person, then they were anticipating a peak in July of 2020. That's when it should have peaked. And so that's why they believed lockdown had worked, because it peaked earlier than that. But, you know, it peaked, it peaked at the time of year that these things peak. So it wasn't, and we've seen so many ways subsequently, haven't we, across the world, across years now. And in this country, we see peak deaths in January, in April, in July, and then in sort of end of October, beginning of November. And it's been like that, sometimes it's not every single one of those every time, but those are the times when it might peak.And so people, the fact that people still, after three years, are claiming that the earlier peak was to do with lockdown and the second peak was to do with vaccination. Wow, really? Really? And all the subsequent peaks were natural ones. But those two, those two were different.Yes, it's bonkers. And if I could just leave people with the book, Expired: Covid, The Untold Story, you can get it as a paperback, you can get it as an e-book, you can get it as an audiobook, and Dr. Clare Craig will read that to you. It is her herself, so that is an extra treat. I always love when authors put in the time, and there's a lot of time, talking to many of them, of spending hours and hours recording that. So Dr. Clare Craig, thank you so much for joining us today.It's been great having you with us. 
Thank you very much for having me, Peter.

Abi Roberts - Arrested for Swearing, Police Overreach and the COVID Inquiry Whitewash

Show notes and Transcript
Arrested for swearing? Yes. This is what happened to Abi Roberts as she protested outside the COVID Inquiry in London. Abi returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss exactly what happened. Why did she feel compelled to protest outside the COVID Inquiry and will it reveal anything or is it just another cover up? Under what law did the police officer arrest her? What powers do our police now have in the UK and is this the end of any free speech?Is swearing actually now prohibited or is it just illegal for Welsh comedians?Can we regain our freedom of speech or has this so called 'Conservative' government destroyed it? Tune in for Abi's analysis following her unexpected night in the cells. *Might contain swearing! 
Abi Roberts is a British stand-up comedian, writer and commentator and is proud to be a stone in the shoe of the cowardly bauble-chasers in politics and the media.All lovers of truth, liberty, free speech and the pursuit of justice for the crimes committed over the last three years, are welcome to her party.Abi became a professional stand-up in 2012, and since then has played some of the biggest clubs across the UK, and had several sold-out shows at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. She became a comedian because she wanted to write her own material and have the freedom to express her worldview – and make thousands of people laugh at the absurdity and wonder of life.  Abi’s stand up show Anglichanka, which was about living and studying in Russia, gained her several 5 star rave reviews and the show toured the UK. She was the first comedian to do shows in Moscow in both English and Russian, as Abi explains “My father was a spy… sorry, diplomat, so I went to the Soviet Union as a kid and then in the early 1990s I studied opera at the Moscow Conservatoire"Abi hosts a daily podcast and writes regular articles on her Substack.  
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Interview recorded 21.7.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Abi Roberts, who re-joined us.Been a while since she was last with us.And of course, I know many of you will have seen the video of her being arrested for swearing.So she just tells us what she was there for, the Covid inquiry, which is in effect a whitewash, a little spoiler for you.She discusses what was happening there, why she was there at the whole yellow board, what that's about.And then the police telling her she'd be arrested if she swore again.So she did. And she was arrested. How the police have the right to arrest anyone, we look at the legislation and the overreach they now have.She was held in a cell until the middle of the night, then released.Why on earth that would be done? So join us as Abi shares her story in her unique style.Abi Roberts, it is wonderful to have you back. Thank you so much for joining us today.
(Abi Roberts)
It's my pleasure, Peter, my pleasure. A lot's happened since I last saw you.
Lots. We're going to talk about Abi's campaign to make swearing legal again.So we'll get into all of that. For the viewers @AbiRoberts on social media, on Twitter, everywhere else, and her Substack, abiroberts.substack.com.If you don't get that, actually, just if you never signed up simply just to read her article, I think that's a great article on what happened to her as she swore and was arrested.It's a fantastic article, it lays it all out.So it's well worth signing up Substack for that, and then you'll see everything else.But can we start, Abi?I'm going to play one of the video clips that sets the scene and then we'll discuss why we're there, and how in their swearing is not illegal on the streets of Britain.So let's play this two minute clip.
(Video plays)
Police: 
You are perfectly allowed to protest, you are not allowed to swear in the street.
Abi: 
I'm not allowed to swear in the street? It's OK if our government commits democide, cos' that's what's happened.
So you're saying to me, swearing in the street is worse, is illegal, but it's legal to lock people in their homes, and give them, coerce them, you know I'm telling the truth.
Police: 
Madam, here's your warning.
Abi: 
Have you been coerced? 
Police: 
Swear again you're going to get arrested.
Abi: 
Swear again? Well fuck... fuck you. 
Police: 
You are under arrest for swearing  
Abi: 
You are joking, you are joking, you are joking.You've seen this and you're all complicit.You know and you're going to call me an anti-vaxxer.I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti-democide. You absolute bastards.You're arresting me for swearing, but you're not talking about democide that's been committed against the British people, lockdowns, gene therapies, how dare you.You're getting all this guys, this is Britain, this is United Kingdom.If you're not angry, there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you.Police: 
Can you stop swearing? 
Abi: 
If I stop swearing, am I allowed to talk about democide?Am I allowed to talk about crimes against the British people?Do you agree with the lockdowns?Do you agree that the British people, they knew that thousands, hundreds of thousands of people were going to die.They knew at the very beginning that the lockdowns were going to kill thousands and thousands of people.Are you getting this? Are you recording any of this? 
Police: 
Listen to me.
Abi: 
So you agree the British government...
Police: 
I'm not getting into that.
Abi: 
And all the politicians were against the British people?
Police: 
We can have a conversation.
Abi: 
Can we? 
Police: 
Yeah. All we wanted you to do was stay on that side of the road.
Abi: 
Are you getting this? I'm being arrested for swearing.
Police: 
Just listen to what he's saying. 
Abi: 
I am listening. This is the UK! How dare you!
(video ends)So, that's Abi in full flow. 
Good grief. You know what, Peter? I don't think I've seen that in full.I'm actually, I feel quite, do you know what? I'm going to say it.I feel damn proud of myself.If only there were more people that told it how it is. 
100%.
When, you know what I mean? And it's weird. I feel good. God, I've got kind of goose bumps because obviously it was all just happening kind of in the moment.And, but wow, it's weird, you know, it's almost like a lot of the, like a lot of the stuff I've been doing for two and a half, three years has led to that moment, if that doesn't sound too, like, I have a dream, you know, it's like one of those things where you, you prepare for these things all your life, in little ways, you know, saying, saying what you mean, what you feel, without being afraid, and truth.It's weird, pure truth, when you speak it to power, has a way of cutting through any fear that you may have. I didn't feel, I don't know if you saw in the clip, I didn't feel, looking back at that now, I didn't feel afraid at all of the consequences, you know? 
Well, let's, so there are two issues here. One is the issue itself, which is the the COVID inquiry whitewash, they should have just just given it a full title. And the second issue is police overreach.Maybe let's start at the first one. Why were you there that fateful day, Abi?
That fateful day on the grassy knoll, which I mentioned in my article because it was a little grassy bank where all the the photographers and well, I've got a new collective noun for journalists.It's a shame of journalists.I don't include some people, including yourself. There are some people that stay out of that collective noun, but let's be honest, most journalists are a shame.If you compare them to Woodward and Bernstein, you know, those guys with the Watergate scandal, they dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and got their sources, cross-referenced their sources.You know, you've read, you know the story. What a disgrace the press have been.Anyway, back to the day. So I basically, I went down that Tuesday morning, the 27th of June to meet my good friend Francis O'Neill.Who I believe you know, he was with his Yellow Boards. They do so much great work, they're grassroots activists, so they stand on roads, on roundabouts, and actually they're getting more and more traction, you know, with all sorts of issues, including the COVID-19 vaccines and the ULEZ, all that kind of, basically, yeah, government and overreach. And it's really, they do great work. So I went down to meet him at Dorland House where this COVID UK inquiry, can I just say before I forget, I saw you talk to Steve Bannon about it, it was, this was a, I wasn't really in any place to kind of talk to many people, but I just wanted to say that in answer to Steve's question about is it a whitewash, it's worse than that actually, it's, if you saw Matt Hancock talking on that, he was actually interviewed that day, the day I went down, he said that he thought the next time the lockdowns should be harder, faster, stricter.And that they didn't act quick enough and strict enough.So actually, everything we've said, many of us have said for the last three years, has come true, which is that they're going to, they're trying to corral people into this way of thinking.So I would just like to make that clear that in a weird way, it's worse than the Watergate scandal because so many of the crimes that have been committed as people are off the charts. I mean, I've seen various people I respect very much, including Brett Weinstein on his Dark Horse pod, say that the Nuremberg Code has been violated purely by using coercion and lack of consent, including informed consent. I mean, it's very important that we get these specifics right. And regardless of what is in, this is the point that I make in my article that I made very clear, including to the police, that what's in these gene therapies, these so-called vaccines, is sort of a side issue. The crime is the coercion.And when people say, but I wasn't forced, well, yeah, but you were told if you don't get them, then you lose your job, you can't travel, you lose your friends. Do you see what I mean?If you look up the definition of coercion, it includes blackmail, force, vilification, being told, well, you're a bad person, blah, blah, blah. So it's very important that people understand this. So that's one of the reasons I went down, was because I felt so strongly.Matt Hancock was in there and people, American viewers who may not know and people from around the world of course who watch this, he was the health secretary during the time, during the 2020 and part of 2021 when the vaccine rollout happened. He was cheering for it, he was fake crying going I can't believe it, we've got this miracle cure that we're going to coerce into the arms of the British people, which is a disgrace in itself. So I went down, met my fellow yellow boards, got into a chat with a few people who were kind of lurking by the entranceway. It's in Paddington, by the way, guys, if anyone, again, not from the UK. Paddington is a kind of main part of London, West London. So this building is kind of on a thoroughfare, on a main road. And then there's a little entranceway where it's kind of, it's like an official building where they were doing the inquiry and by the entrance there was a little table with three people and again in my article.My Substack article I mentioned this, there were two, I think two men and a woman and they had this like, I thought well they're on our side, you know because they were standing outside, you know how you just, you assume, they looked like the kind of people who would have been on all the marches that I went on and the woman said, I said I'll presume we're on the same side and the woman pointed over to the road where the yellow boards were and said, the anti-vaxxers are over there. Well, Peter, and viewers who know me, the red mist descended. And I just, and I turned, and I said to them, I thought, well, I'm not going to go into the MRNA. I'm not going to go into the scientific detail about what's in these things, because that's model, it's confused people, including myself by the way, so I thought no I'm going to go for the moral argument, which is that the coercion, the lack of informed or consent, any other consent, meant that it was violating the Nuremberg Code.So serious crimes have been committed against the globe, you know, in 90 countries around the world.So we're talking about millions and millions and millions of people just with this one action by world governments. And I mean, I've made, I said it slightly less, it was a bit shorter than that, just for, I'm just, I'm expanding because we're talking. And then, so I said that to them, and then turn around and I said, and that's not conjecture, that's fact.That's fact. So I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti, you know, as you saw in the video, anti-democide, anti-lies, anti-coercion, you know, all those terrible Free speech, you know, being a free individual, all those kind of terrible things which some people are for. 
But can I ask, because obviously the so-called, media on the right that supposedly stand up for free speech, all of that, who were silent for the vast majority and suddenly come out at the very end to say oh look we overspent a little bit on PPE, oh it's really naughty, or the government official got a contract for this, that's really naughty. I mean after you've gone through the last two and a half years of control. So they have, I don't think any of the mainstream media have even called this art as just a whitewash that will hide over everything, because even if you have government failings of spending or the control of cronyism, but it's much deeper than that.It's collusion with the drug companies. 
Oh, yeah, completely. It's collusion.
Is Hancock, the person who, because it seems so he's been thrown under the bus, kind of, although he'll get a lucrative media career.It's kind of, well, he did some things, but the rest of us, we carry on as normal.That seems to be how this will be the outcome.
Well, this is the crazy thing, is that Matt Hancock is, I mean, it's a bit like, I have compared much to people's disgust, what happened to us, to people around the world to the early 1930s in Germany.I make that comparison with no shame, because it's the truth, or you could compare it to the Soviet Union in the first part of the 20th century, everything that was going on there, or name any other regime where they use force, intimidation, segregation, all those kinds of things.So you're talking about, I mean, the reason that Matt Hancock is the poster boy is because there's always gotta be a poster boy for the, what's the word, I was going to say scapegoat, but he's not, he's just a criminal.He's a criminal that happened to be part of a criminal establishment. And I'm very careful by the way to not just to target the Tories because Labour...In fact, everyone in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and the monarchy, you know, and I'm talking, by the way, if you'd spoken to me in 2019, Peter, I would have been like, oh, well, you know, it's really lovely because we've got the two-party system, you know, we've got the lovely Queen, we've got the whatever, blah, blah, blah. Wow, have my eyes been opened?You know, it's not about believing in every single conspiracy theory that anyone utters. You know, I'm always, I'm very particular about, this is why I'm so focused on this one issue, which is the last three years, the lockdowns, especially the vaccines in inverted commas, because I feel that such a terrible crime has been committed by, and also let's not forget the United States, you know, and again, I had nothing but love for the States. You know, I was going to to live there before I met my late husband.So I was going to, I got my visa. I got my O-1, which is a person of exceptional ability.I got that visa. I was going to go, man. I was going to go in 2008.It breaks my heart when I look at New York, what they did to Broadway, the Broadway actors.They made them, they made them get jabbed to like, well, otherwise you just can't work.So you see these wonder people like guys like Clifton Duncan, who's on, he said, well, I'm out then, I'm out. You, this is my body.This is my, this is, you know, my holy, sort of God-given body, get away with that stuff.So the United States, particularly the Democratic, Democrat states, honestly, I never thought I would see America go down that path, but holy shit, balls, guys.I know many people watching will agree with me, Americans. Canadians did the same thing.It is quite astounding the level, and I think people need to be aware of this, the level, the comparator between the 20th century, the first part of the 20th century, with all the dictators, with all the tyrants that there were around and that political sort of shadow that was cast, the similarities that there are with today.Trudeau, Biden, that his administration, in fact most of Europe, many countries, you know Germany and Austria, they were, I mean Austria went full fascist and so did Germany.They fell back into their, those tropes and maybe it's because there were so many marches and that it didn't go quite as, well I was going to say far as camps, but then Australia did have camps, They had lockdown camps in, is it Hope Springs? Or Hope... Do you remember there's a place in Australia, like a really lovely nature reserve, where people would have just been lovely to hang out and people I'm sure watching maybe have been there. I've seen videos of a woman trying to climb over the wall. She's climbing over a wall like The Great Escape, you know, from the Nazi camp.And then she's got those guards who like tug her back down.And then these people sitting there going, doing their video diaries, going, well, I'm sitting here, it's been my fourth day in isolation or whatever, in my, you know, and I'm like, what the hell, what the hell is this?And the same with a friend of mine, a well-known actor, he had to, well, he got the vaccines to go and work in America and he had to stay in a hotel. This is when he travelled for like...Maybe like a week or something, but like in a hotel room with like just a balcony.And honestly, to watch his videos, I was crying. I thought this is against everything that we, all of us, hold dear, you know, left or right. I mean, obviously the left have gone particularlyAWOL, you know, but I've started to think, Peter, because you know that I was a small c conservative, I suppose libertarian, you know, so all my thought processes were kind of down that. But I'm starting to think that actually, you know, this is something bigger, but that definitely has, it has echoes of that communist, you know, sort of, what's the word, collectivization, I would say. It has, that's why I think we look at the left and go, oh yeah, the similarities are so obvious, you know, but I think party politics is over. I think we're coming into a new era now.Yeah, because obviously the uni-party is the term used over in the state for the Republican Democrats and it seems to be that's across the world and governments combined to control and coerce everyone. I think the worst one in Australia I came across was a family whose child was seriously ill with some condition, the ambulance took them to a specialist hospital, which was over the state border in Australia, and the parents were not allowed to go and see their child as it lay dying. And what level of evilness would make an exception, whatever, but that didn't matter.It was, no, no, we must follow the diktat. 
Yeah, we must follow the, and that's the extraordinary thing, Peter. And actually, very sadly, I mean, I talk about this a lot on my podcast.Abi Daily. Well, I've addressed it so many times, I kind of, it's almost like it's a stock record, where you, the sad fact of the matter is that, and I think Graham Hancock may have said this, he's the guy that made the shows about possibly there being other civilisations that may have been around earlier than us, which is that the human race may suffer from amnesia. So you know how people are always saying, look back at history, don't forget history. You know all these wonderful quotes that float around about the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I don't know who said that, probably an American, but it's true, but the problem is we forget to be vigilant.What's happened now is that because of that, we're seeing the results of people not turning round and saying, enough. Like I said, I don't want to go into so much the party political thing but with the right, there's been a lot of times where I think to myself, is Roger Scruton enough to fight back, even though he's got great ideas about truth and beauty and goodness, which I totally hold dear, but is it enough for political change? Because at the moment we need more than that, as we've seen with Uxbridge last night. I think people are living in a bit of a cloud cuckoo land. And I say this in all seriousness, it's not going to cut it. With the Tories, we're like, oh, we're anti-ULEZ. Guys, this is the least of our problems and they vote in the Tories. Sorry, did you not see what the Tories have presided over the last three years and further back? I mean, like you said, Peter, though, you're right, it's a uni-party, it's Biden, it's this massive blob of sort of communo-fascist ideology, which is masquerading as, look at us, we're for the people, you know, yeah, we're just like introducing these things, these green things, you know, to save the planet and blah, blah. And of course, like you said, all the while it's for control.It's just to, because human beings, this is an anti-human ideology. Human beings are sort of like Stanley Johnson has said in his books, they're sort of an inconvenience, human beings, that's his view, rather than, you know, it's a gift from God, your life is a gift from God, you do with it. I was thinking about my grandpa, my wonderful Welsh gramps, Bob Roberts, his name was, and I was thinking, and he said, you know, your life is a gift, your talents are a gift.Use it. Use them. Use them as fully as you can. I'm not sure what he'd think about me being arrested.Actually, knowing him, he probably would be going, yeah, that's my girl.God love him, God rest him. But I think it's true.I think it's true. We have one life, so we may as well try and make it count.Not just for us, not just for now, but for the people that come after us.
You're 100%. Can I ask you, the inquiry is a tick box exercise, we see through the BS, the mainstream media will play the game and play along. Before we get on to your campaign making swearing legal again, can I ask you about how do you perceive it? Because as you said, three, four years, four or five years ago, you would have thought actually a two-party system, and we have a monarchy, which is kind of good.Now, all that our institutions are good for society. They keep us, all that.And then that's all changed. So we have lost trust in many people, lost trust in the police.There's no longer policing by consent. It is policing by force.Absolute change. Biggest change in what, 200 years in policing.Zero trust in politicians. You see the voting rates so low and across the board.I mean, the even zero trust in our legal system, our courts anyway, have collapsed under so-called Covid.And now it takes you a year.The whole thing has gone to ground. And the Conservatives, what is there to conserve if everything has been burned to the ground?And how do you view that? I mean, we both we both live in the UK and we would like to believe that institutions are positive for society.We're the opposite opinion, as are many others. 
Yeah, that's a good point.I've been thinking about this long and hard, actually. I remember having a conversation with Claire Fox.Hmm, how disappointing she is. Amazing, you know, how many communist revolutionaries there are who are far from revolutionary.In fact, if anything, they toe the line, the establishment line.I've met a few of them. I'm like, I actually said to one, I went, you should be ashamed of yourself that I'm one who's doing all the pushing back. So lots of roles have been reversed with this, which many of your viewers will be aware of, this weird inversion of things, as often happens in history. This isn't unusual. Well, it is, but it's not, if you know what I mean, because we have been here. I mean, there are countries that have suffered under tyrants and perverse ideologies, anti-human ideologies. But what was your question again? Oh, that's a two-party system.
But all the institutions, we've lost this completely. 
Oh, that's it.Yeah, you've reminded me about the Clare Fox chat. This was way back when I used to be on GB News.Mm, that's a whole, aren't they doing well, Peter?Oh, who'd have thought it? Anyway, that's a sight. 
And your favourite journalist there calling you an anti-vaxxer on the day, but that's a whole separate issue.Your favourite journalist, Tom, what's his name, 
Tom Harwood, yeah. Yes, exactly, who'd look very at home in a Hugo Boss suit and knee-high boots, and that's only at the weekends.That's from my article. Please read it, it's hilarious and sad at the same time.So in answer to your question, when Claire Fox and I had this chat when I was first on and she said that she thought the institutions could be saved from within.And I pushed back on this, I said, yeah, I don't think so, I don't think so, Claire.Because anyone that knows, this is what's so bizarre, Peter, anyone that knows anything, or claims to have read anything about anything, knows that the long march through the institutions that happened in Mao's China, happened in the Soviet Union, it happened in all these Marxist, let's use this paradigm, seeing as, because I know there will be maybe people watching going, yeah, but you've just said there's no such thing as left and right, but let's use this framework, is that the common purpose, this whole collectivization ideology has been creeping in and it's strangled everything like bindweed.So it's been happening for like maybe 30 years, maybe more than that actually.And the problem is, it's everywhere, it's woodworm in all the institutions, so like you said, everything's kind of collapsed.So I think, this is my personal view, is that no, the institutions should be rebuilt.And I don't mean build back better, I mean in the good sense that after the Enlightenment, you know, like Erasmus, you know, where we look around and say where are the good, where are the thinkers, the critical thinkers, I mean like myself, like yourself, can we have institutions that are the green shoots of, you know, for the next generation. So you have kids who go, oh, thank goodness for people like Abi Roberts and Peter Mcilvenna and various other people, because they saw the corruption, the evil that's in everything. Like you said, the judiciary, good grief. I was in the police cell thinking they could pin anything on me, these guys. That's a scary thought. I actually also thought, shall I fake a panic attack in the police cell. I was in there, by the way, viewers, for 17 hours. And I thought, and I'm claustrophobic as well, which didn't, I mean, I honestly, I've never prayed so hard in my life or sang so much to keep myself occupied. But I genuinely thought maybe I should fake a panic attack so that they'll let me out and I'll be with some medics. And then I thought, actually.Given what the medical profession have done the last three years, I would rather stay in the cell.Now that is, if that isn't a soundbite for 2023, I don't know what is.Abi Roberts would rather have stayed in a police cell with two Nigerians next door going, eh oh eh eh oh, like Nigerian Teletubbies, no comment, no comment bro, and smearing, you know, as I was told, because I smelt bleach and one of them had smeared his own excrement up the walls.I would rather have been in that cell, that damn cell, than be with doctors.So that's where we are, guys. But it's not just the UK, it's everywhere.So I hope that kind of answered your question, which is I've always believed in the, what the Russians did in Stalin's time, which is obviously you had many people who went along with it, the whisperers, they were called, you know, who whispered to, I may even have said this on one of our chats, that in Stalin's time, a lot of people just went along with it and used to grass up their neighbours and they were called the Whisperers.It just became this thing. So a lot of people go along with it and actually sort of get quite used to it.Oh, it's quite nice being locked at home. It's quite nice being forced, coerced into having injections.Oh, it's quite nice not being able to travel further than 15 minutes outside.You know what I mean? All these things, that's what happened under Stalin where everyone went, it's quite nice.Just only being able to have one cow, which the Kulaks, you know what I mean?All these little things people sort of started to think, well, maybe this is just our lot.We should rather than thinking, no, this is not our lot. This is not what life is for, what free life is for.But there were secrets of society. There were secret meetings and the catacombs, the true Christians, so not the Orthodox church that was hand in hand with Stalin.And they all met and they all prayed and they all, so children, educated children.So it was all happening, but sort of in parallel.Do you know what I mean? With the, so my view, and again, I said this to Lawrence Fox on a, God blimey, how the mighty have fallen.I said to him on a Twitter Spaces that I thought that we should start to have a parallel society.And he disagreed with that.Well, look what happened in Uxbridge last night. You know, I may be blonde, I may be a comedian, I may be silly and swear and the rest of it, But you know, a sharper mind you will not find talking about this kind of stuff.So you people can believe in their Labour versus Tory and their new parties and blah blah, but it's going to take a lot more than that.It's going to take a hell of a lot more. I mean, put it this way, Peter, I...Never thought I'd be arrested in this country for saying, fuck off, fuck you, whatever, standing with the police and the press, taking photographs of me outside a building where they were essentially lying about what's happened over the last three years.And that, but you know, like I said, I'm proud that I'm, it's something that, Um, yeah, that all,I didn't think I'd be in this position, but I'm I'm glad that I did it. I'm glad.
OK, so one ask about the police side. It seems that we are now at the stage and part of this, a lot of this is a so-called conservative government.Laws being put in place that give the police absolute right to make up stuff, and it's this whole thing of offens,e of anything which may, possibly might do in the next 100 years to someone reading it in the far-flung galaxy, may find offense, then that is enough.It seemed as though that was, and it means taking, if you're wearing brown shoes and the policeman thinks, no, I don't like brown shoes, that's offensive.They can literally come up with anything, and it seemed to be what he said it to you, And it was so funny looking back at him saying, what, if I swear again?And you're thinking, if I swear again, I should swear.
Well, also, you know, I spoke to an ex-policeman about this, who's on our side, by the way, very much on our side.So he was very high up in the police.And I spoke to a couple of people actually about, and obviously I can't reveal too much to you about things which may or may not happen with the process, but he said that if swearing was illegal, then I would have been arrested the first time.He said that's a point of that. And also, before anyone takes you by the arm, you know, you see the two, I don't know if it's in the clip, but the two policewomen, they really grip hold of me, took my arms.They're meant to say, We're going to now put our hands on you and take you, this is in the old days, the old school, They had to take you through everything.So you're seeing people that have been trained in a police college that is riddled with common purpose.I'm going to go back to that phrase, common purpose, look it up, Peter, you know what I'm talking about.The communitarian, this wonderful idea that everyone, hey, as long as everyone is abiding by this ideology, then it's okay for you to act beyond your authority.That's part of the common purpose thing, which is, by the way, a Marxist organisation.It was set up many years ago by the daughter of a Marxist called Julia Middleton.So look it up. It's all true.Whether that is running in tandem or not with what we're talking about, the global tyranny is kind of another matter.It's almost too coincidental that it's all kind of coming together.This whole offence thing, and in fact, the Public Order Act 1986 should really have been, I mean, it shouldn't even be there. And I'm very worried, Peter, about this online offence, online harms bill. There's a lot of stuff which will be used, stuff maybe we're seeing now in the media being used about people saying certain things, doing certain things, and Oh, in which case, then let's have let's have harsher laws.So I would say. 
But on the online city bill, so we've had Signal boss has said they will have to pull out because they do not give back doors to anyone.Wikipedia have said they will have to shut down their operation in the UK.I know Telegram have talked about, Apple have said it is.I mean, everyone is saying this is overreach to the nth degree.And yet the government don't give a damn. so-called conservative government think this is wonderful, let's shut everyone up.
Yes, exactly. The so-called conservative. I mean, this is what's weird though is I think we have to...We have to stop thinking in terms of, I'm afraid to say, in terms of Conservative and Labour, because whatever's taken over both those parties and everyone else in the House of Commons, let's be honest, all of them, is a dark force, is a dark ideological force.So we're in a historical, we are in a first, in Britain, in the sense that I mean, I again never thought I'd be sitting here saying that the two-party system, it's I mean, our democratic system is broken. It's completely broken. It's completely, it's been trashed, it's been stamped on and the people of this country need to wake up and realise that, you know, if you want to go to I mean, I heard someone the other day say, well, maybe China, a Chinese system wouldn't be that bad.Really? Really? Yeah. Brilliant. How fantastic.I mean, that's the level. People will go, well, even if we have to live in a tiny flat, a tiny room, you know, with our tokens, you know, with our, what's it?Compliance tokens, I call them. Yeah. All those things.And our currency, and have you been well behaved, all that. People, I'm sorry, Peter, but a lot of people, like I've said in history, will go along with it. They'll go, well, what's the worst that can happen?At least I'll get my food and I'll get my, because they don't prize freedom.They don't prize the idea. And when I say freedom, I don't mean freedom, like it's this weird sort of slogan.I mean the free soul, the spirit, The idea that freedom is not just about a word, it's about you and the extension of you around you.So including things that come out of your mouth, your utterances, all that is sacred.And including swearing, by the way. And I know people say, I know there might be some Christians watching saying, how could you be a Christian?Well, I am, I've got my lovely cross on, which by the way, they made me take off in the police station.I said to them, what am I going to do, stab myself in the eye with it?It's a cross for heaven's sake. Even though I did hear people down the other cells say we need to pray so they were let out. Hmm.That's interesting, Peter. 
Look, the thing...And there's so much we could cover, and I won't keep you all day. But I want to, in, you're arrested. I mean, if you are, you've sworn, and that is illegal, and you can be arrested, something like that should be, you would think, well, you get taken down the station, you get like a 50 pound, 100 pound fine, I don't know what. But you were actually kept, probably because they thought you were a danger to society? What is the benefit of keeping you locked in a cell instead of just processing you in 30 minutes and then letting you go?
Yeah, well, good question. And when I went down there, they told me that I, and again, it's in the article, they told me, the solicitor on the phone said, they'd agreed, they'd suggested, they'd said that this is the police, so they'd give me a £90 fine, which I could either pay in 21 days or take it to court.So like, you know, dispute it and take it to court. So that was, I was told by the solicitor, she said, you'll be out in the afternoon.That was the first phone call.Hours later, when I started to get the feeling that something wasn't quite right, because I was getting, being told different things by the police who were opening the little cell door where they put the food and water in, I thought, hang on a minute, they're gonna try and keep me in for 24 hours.And according to Francis, who came down to the station, bless him, and stayed there for hours, Francis O'Neill.And I didn't know that he was there until someone had said, by the way, I think there's a friend of yours out there.He's been waiting, I was like, oh my God.Apparently, a separate team got involved, a kind of protest team.But you know what, when I was in there, one of the coppers, and again, this is in the article, said, we're conflicted about letting you go because we don't know who's gonna replace you.And as I was leaving, one of the other police women who interviewed me said, we've talked to all the staff here, and they say you're by far the nicest criminal that they've ever met.
They probably wanted to keep you in. Because you would lighten up the mood.
They did. Well, I was just there on my plastic mat reading a book.I had, because one of the lovely police, well, I say lovely, he was really, he didn't want to shut the door, the cell door.He didn't want to shut it. And he said, I don't know why you're in here.He said, you know, he whispered. And then he took me out and he, I chose a couple of books to read. So I was reading, I was there with my Bernard Cornwall.Which I only know about because James Delingpole mentioned it on his, mentioned it on London Calling. 
Yeah, it must be good. 
And then another book. And I was just there, you know, with my cups of tea, you know, nibbling on a little biscuit. And I was just like there, you know, do praying, singing, thinking, this too shall pass. You know, I'm thinking, I was thinking to myself, you're not Solzhenitsyn. You're not, you're not Nelson Mandela. You're not, You know, many, you know, Artur Pawlowski, the lovely Polish priest who, by the way, can I just quickly say, he needs our help. His trial in Canada is, the verdict is going to be on August the 9th. So this man, you know, who told, who they, the police interrupted an Easter service and he told them they were Nazis and the Gestapo, quite rightly. He then made a speech at to the truckers rally in 2022.He was then put in prison for 51 days. In prison.So if he gets found guilty, this is the Canada, the wonderful Canada under Trudeau, he'll get 10 years, 10 years.So to round this up, it was 17 hours, but it was not in comparison to many people many people who have come before me, including Artur, Artur Palowski, sorry any Polish people if I'm getting the pronunciation wrong.God love him.He's one of my true heroes of this time, because he was prepared to say, no, no, I'm not gonna live in a country.I'm not going to give away my freedom to you and the freedom of my congregation, my flock.He said, as a shepherd, he said, it's my duty to protect my flock.And I'm like, oh my goodness, you know? Maybe Calvin Robinson could take a few notes.I told you, you weren't going to get, Peter knows me, that I have to slip in the odd, well, it's true, come on, enough of the tweed and the baubles.What about the people?
There are no restrictions, Abi. I don't think we've ever edited, literally, and I say this, start with you.I think the only, we removed one video, but with someone who just went crazy and started just going at us, that was only one.Piers Corbyn we removed because he couldn't use a camera and the internet.So it was just...
Oh bless Piers
It was embarrassing. But I don't think we've ever actually edited or removed anything.So what's the point? You want the guest on, you want them to talk because you want them to speak.
And I am making, I think I'm making, well, you know, I'm making a point.And this is something I've, don't forget, you know, I've, I've had a journey over the last three years.I've contemplate and, and wrestle, struggle with stuff and ideas and, and my faith, and all these kind of things.And all I would say is that, beware the baubles.It's become like my catchphrase in my, on my site with my Abi Daily family, and on Twitter, beware the baubles. And what I mean by that is, the Holy Grail was not a jewel-encrusted chalice.It was a simple wooden cup, and in that cup was the truth. And that's all you need to know. 
100%.Abi, just to finish, just last thought, does this mean that if I go outside now, doing the school run, and I happen to swear, because, I don't know, for whatever reason, a colleague comes to me and I say, holy shit, what was that?Is that now suddenly, I can now be arrested or something over here?Or is it simply that the police now have the power to use and abuse whoever they want to at will?I think it's the latter, you're right. I'm not sure, it's not the, I mean the swear word is part of it, but as Artur Pawlowski says, that when he was living under Soviet, it is in Poland, when the Soviets were around, is that the police could, if they could choose a man, so anyone, and fine something on them.That's what the police motto was in Poland at that time. So, you know, you look around, pick anyone in the street and you'd find they might have a parking fine, they might've had a row with a neighbour a few years ago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.And the point is, they could just go, Right, you're coming down with us.So the swearing was sort of incidental to the bigger picture.So you're right that it is the police powers and because they don't know.I mean, the guys at the police desk, they didn't even know what coercion meant.I had to explain to them. I said, don't tell me this is in the police, you know, in full view of all the, everyone working there. I said, don't tell me that there aren't people in this room who were thinking, maybe something might have gone wrong with the vaccines or I might have been harmed.And then the guy behind the desk said, I wasn't forced, I wanted to go on holiday to Spain.So this is the kind of people, this is the kind of, they need to go back to, the rule, what the principles of law actually.So again, we're back to starting new institutions, Peter. We're sort of back to this idea that...That there needs to be a sort of non-violent, philosophical revolution needs to happen.Like a new enlightenment, actually.
Completely. We'll finish, Abi Daily, it's in the name, it is Abi every day, tell us what people can find. How do they find it, and how can they actually listen?
Yeah, well, so it's abiroberts.substack.com. you've got it under my name there.You just go to that address, you then you can listen for free.You can go on, I don't have any paywall. You can subscribe, you can if you want to donate, chuck in a few quid.I've got people who do that as well. So there's like, you'll see that I did it free for a year, and then there was pledges. So people pledged.Quite a few people went, I want to pledge. So then you switch the toggle on and then it changes to this idea that people can say.So basically, what I'm saying is, everyone's welcome to the Substack family, to Abi Daily family.I've also got some gigs coming up. I wasn't going to because I had a bit of problems with some trolls.So I was a bit like I freaked out, but I thought they're not going to win, you damn bastards, you wankers. So I have got gigs coming up at the next week.I'm doing Newport with Katie Hopkins on Friday the 28th.Then I've got Southampton 29th with a great bill with Alastair Williams.Then I've got various things coming up.Actually, that's the first bit. People will be hearing this on Monday going, we didn't think you were doing any live gigs. Well, fuck you because I am.I don't care if people want to come along and go, you're whatever, I don't know, you're a loon. I am.
Yeah, we did a few days before, but it's going out on Monday, the 24th?On Monday the 24th. So everyone will get it.Make sure, and for the viewers, listeners, make sure and follow Abi on her Twitter or Substack. Everything will be up there. And Abi, you're one of the fun people I've gotten over the last few years.It's been three years of meeting a whole new set of people and losing a whole load of people as well.
Losing a whole load of, yes. 
I know. 
To the baubles.
Oh, but I love what you do and thank you so much for joining us, Abi, and sharing your crazy experiences getting locked up.It's my pleasure. One last thing before we clock off is We the People, the book that I'm, and this goes back to the COVID inquiry, Whitewash. We the People is an e-book that I released at the end of last year with lots of stories that were written to me about lockdowns, about jab injuries, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm redoing that book. So it's going to to be really going to be like a e-pub, no, published book.And there will probably be hard copies. And there'll be a launch and an audio version.So with Bob Moran's cartoons. So it's going to be laid out.And I'm going to give it to any person I meet. I was going to say MP.What good would that do?But basically, so people can understand the true horror of what's gone on.And if that's my contribution along with being arrested, Like I said, that's fine by me, you know, and I'll try and keep people laughing as well.
You always do. I look forward to having that launch. 
Yeah, bless you. Come to the launch for sure.
Oh, I'm coming anyway, so just tell me where it is.Exactly. Just gate crash. 
I'll be there. 
All the best. All the best people gate crash.
I'll be there. Abi, thanks so much for your time today.
Cheers. Not a problem. God bless you all.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

Greetings and welcome! We should of been joined by our dear friend, David Vance, but he is a little under the weather with a frog in his throat.It is possibly the first time ever that David has been lost for words, so that just won't do!But the show must go on so our intrepid leader is flying solo.Coming live from Northern Ireland, This is The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna.After the By-Elections this week, Peter has a look at the polls across the UK then sets his sight further afield and looks at the state of play in The Netherlands, Spain, Germany and Austria.Then he gives us his thoughts on some of the stories on how the migration invasion is being handled on both sides of the pond and finishes with a warning why its not the best idea to glue your hands to things to save the planet!
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.He is a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Originally broadcast live 22.7.23
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Links to discussed topics...UK By-Electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66264317Sunak by-electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66266024UK Pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682394394706563072Netherlands pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElectsSpanish electionhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/spanish-election-offers-opportunity-to-far-right-as-pp-seeks-powerSpain pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1681055492838227968German pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682684286007230464Austrian pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682663771679125504Hotels small boat arrivalshttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/19/hotels-occupied-by-resettled-afghans-being-cleared-for-small-boat-arrivalsUK migrant bargehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66099583NYC mayor Eric Adams https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66259075.amphttps://www.nyc.gov/assets/home/downloads/pdf/press-releases/2023/AsylumSeekersUpdate_EngSp2_Flyer_006.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdeliveryClimate activists https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/climate-activists-glue-their-hands-on-airport-runway-might-need-amputation/articleshow/101751499.cms