Hearts of Oak Podcast

Tera Dahl - Eyewitness: The War in Israel

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Tera Dahl has just returned from 3 weeks in Israel where she was reporting for Real America's Voice and Bannon's WarRoom. Tera returns to Hearts of Oak to share her time travelling throughout the country. She spent time with soldiers from the IDF, with civilians who are regularly having to use their shelters for protection and with those living in Gaza. Tera has seen the war up close and her experiences are fresh and raw.
Tera Dahl served as Senior Advisor in the Conflict, Prevention and Stabilization Bureau (CPS) at USAID as a political appointee during the Trump Administration. She also served as Deputy Chief of Staff at the National Security Council (NSC) working in the White House under the Trump Administration. She has advised members of congress, staff, and policymakers on complex national security and foreign policy issues. She served as a national security senior advisor to Congresswoman and former Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann. She has travelled extensively overseas to areas of conflict and war, raising awareness and reporting from an on-the-ground and frontline perspective, giving a voice to the voiceless. She has helped produce several documentaries going into dangerous situations to uncover the truth and shine a light on darkness. She has spent time camping out on the frontlines embedded with the Peshmerga forces in Northern Iraq during the war against ISIS, on the frontlines with the IDF on the Gaza border, backpacking through the jungles of Burma with fleeing and persecuted Burmese ethnics, and has embedded with U.S. Marines in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. She has travelled to Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria and throughout the Middle East providing humanitarian and medical assistance. She volunteered with the American Red Cross to serve and support U.S. troops overseas during the Global War on Terrorism.
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Interview recorded 11.12.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Tera Dahl, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thanks so much for joining us today.
(Tera Dahl)
Thank you, Peter, for having me. 
Always good to have you.Of course, people can catch you on somewhere where I never delve, which is Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/tera_dahl/That I think is the best place to find you, Tera.
Yes, it is. Yeah. 
Apart from on War Room regularly and Real America's Voice.
Real America's Voice. 
Obviously, all of that.And I know that many of the viewers will have seen your couple of weeks actually long postings from Israel and I'm really delighted that you made the time today to come on and to share some of those experiences because I think you talked to a lot of commentators, military experts, politicians, but actually to talk to someone who's been there on the ground is fairly rare, I think.So, I'm looking forward to finding out, but to tell us how do you get there?I guess you don't just get a, there are lots of flights cancelled.So I guess it's not just a case of going and booking a ticket with any regular airline, is it?
You can get there. I went to Greece and then from Athens, then I flew into Israel, but the airlines are limited now.
Definitely the US airlines are limited, they do not fly out of Israel. There's options to flyThere's a lot of flights still that are coming in and out, but the airport in Tel Aviv was very quiet, but there was more, I think more people and more flights than I anticipated.
Okay, what was the conversation?Cause you're, you're no stranger to going to, to war zones. when I was last over after my WarRoom slot, Steve was regaling me with stories of him talking to you in far flung places.So I guess most people would think, oh, it sounds a bit iffy, but for you, it's part of the job, I guess.Yeah, I was in Israel. I have been.I was in Israel in 2014 to cover the Gaza conflict, the war between Israel and Hamas in 2014 for Breitbart News.And that's when I really saw like I had been traveling around the Middle East during the Arab Spring.I had been to Afghanistan and Iraq, really, you know, on the ground with the war on terrorism, but especially especially during the Arab Spring prior to going to Israel in 2014.And really, I just kind of fell into that because I was on the ground in Egypt during the counter revolution when you had the 30 million Egyptians go to the street to call for Mohammed Morsi's ouster, the Muslim Brotherhood's ouster in Egypt.And I saw the way that the media was portraying that situation and how the media was impacting our policy. And I saw that it was impacting the Pentagon.It was impacting Congress because that's how they viewed it.That was their lens on the situation.And so that's how I started to really understand the need for accurate reporting on the ground.Because unless you're on the ground and you really understand the dynamics, you just read what the headlines are.And then you follow the headlines and then you base your decisions upon the headlines.So when you look at Israel, you look at the headlines, you look at the mainstream media. And it always has been going back to 2014 and going back to the Arab Spring and just the coverage from the mainstream media has been pro-Islamist.And that's what I noticed. I noticed that back in 2012, 2013, they were very much pro-Muslim brotherhood.And so when you look at Israel, you look at the war with Hamas, obviously Hamas is the military arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.That is the mainstream media and the angle of it has been very pro-Hamas and anti-Israel, restraining Israel.And so it was so important when I was there in 2014 because I saw that how the mainstream media and a lot of times they report from Gaza.So you have the mainstream media reporters that are actually in Gaza.Well, if you're reporting from Gaza and you're surrounded by Hamas, you're not going to be very pro-Israel.It's going to impact your reporting because you're afraid for your life for one thing.But you also have, it's just the angle of the mainstream media.And so going on the ground for this war, I knew because I had already covered the Middle East conflicts in the war that it's so important to get that perspective, because of you can't just follow the headlines and you're seeing how tainted it is for an example at the hospitals. You know how Hamas uses hospitals and then when Israel hits back at the hospital. Then it's Israel's fault and they get charged with war crimes. Well, actually Hamas uses hospitals and schools for their military headquarters and they launched their rocket attacks from the hospitals, from the schools, and they used the children.And so, Peter, when I went there, I knew it's so important to be able to get on the ground and to be able to write accurately of what's happening.And that's exactly what I saw.And that definitely was worthwhile because it changes your perspective.Can I just ask you, just before getting on to what it was like there, I'm sure the viewers would be curious in how you prep for that, because you're not going into a normal environment.It's not just a tourist or a journalist going to report on an event.It's into a very dangerous situation.How do you prepare? Was it that you had contacts before? Is it Real America's voice making those contacts?Because obviously you don't want to land on the ground and then begin to spend your time building up those contacts and knowing who to speak to.So how do you kind of go about preparing for that?I think with any time that I've travelled overseas in the Middle East, you know contacts, you reach out to them, you reach out to your mutual friends that have contacts in Israel, and then you just kind of start with who you know, and then you build off of that. And that's exactly what, too, on this trip.You have your contacts that I've had through my friends here, and then you let people know that you're coming over, I've been there before, and then you just build on that.And when you're on the ground, it just opens up opportunities because you just build your contacts, your networking on the ground.And one of the important parts of that was going up into the north.I was able to go up into the northern part of Israel with the Christian community.So I wasn't only, I was able to see, spend time with the Arab Muslims that are joining the IDF. I spoke with them.I spoke with the Christian community that also served in the IDF.And of course, the majority of the Jewish community, but I was able to get all those different perspectives.So when we talk about building those contacts, it's important that you meet with all sides.And I've always done that. Like when I went to Syria, as well, I met with the opposition first, who were trying to overthrow Assad, and then I went into Damascus and saw the other side.So that's kind of just how I've always done it is and I depend on the locals, I mean, for someone, I guess, as a woman, going by myself.I definitely, you know, you just have to have your faith in God, and then you just trust people, and you just build contacts and you just build relationships.
And what were you kind of expecting when you went out?Because this current situation is simply because Israel have not dealt with the problem previously.And this time Netanyahu I think feels and probably has to actually deal with Hamas living on their border.But what were you kind of expecting when you went over?Because I guess every war situation is different.The relationships with the countries around, the population.The sleeper cells they have, there are so many moving parts to the situation.And what kind of were you expecting before you headed out?I think I knew what to anticipate because I had been there to cover it previously, so I knew what to expect.But as far as when we talk about preparing for this, like going into Israel, you would think there's so many people that were traveling there.I think one of the highest tourism times before everything got cancelled, it was just they were packed with tours.And one thing that is always, since I went there before a couple times, and then now this trip, is that Israel is constantly living under siege.So as, you know, like for me going to visit during a war time, this is the normal for them, Peter. This is how they live.They live under siege. They live every single house, every building, since you land in the airport, has a shelter.No matter where you are, every single place you're at, whether it's a restaurant, whether it's a home, if it's a school, if it's a playground, they all have shelters.And just think about how abnormal that is, is that they get hit.Since Hamas launched the attack on October 7th, they've been hit with 10,000 rockets from Hamas. 10,000 rockets.But it is the normal life for them. And the Iron Dome intercepts the majority of them.But when the Iron Dome does not intercept them, the shrapnel kills people.If that rocket hits, that can take out like a huge, that could kill so many people, those rockets, and they take, you know, you take it for granted because of the Iron Dome.But there's multiple times, even like when I was there for my limited time, that if it wasn't for the Iron Dome, you know, you would have probably, you would have been hit by that, you would have been impacted by the shrapnel.But it's that's not normal. So what they consider normal is not normal.So they constantly so like for me to say, you go over there and it looks like, wow, you're going into a war zone. That's how they live.You know, that's how they live every day of their lives.Their children have to play in playgrounds that are actually shelters because they want the kids to make it, you know, they don't want kids to feel like they're constantly under war and to live in fear.So what they do is they build their playgrounds as shelters.So when the kids are playing in the tunnels, it's actually a shelter for the kids.And so they only have a few seconds when they hear those sirens go off to be able to go into their shelters But that's normal for them So that's something that like it never surprises me just to see how they live their normal their daily lives going to school. Going to their synagogues. Just living their lives going to work and but yet they're constantly under rocket attack, constantly.And even the day after that I left, there was a terrorist attack right in Jerusalem.And that's just, that's how they live.
Well, in Israel, there are different parts of the society which engage in this situation differently. You have the military.Maybe you want to just give us some of your thoughts or experiences you were talking to the military, because they are actually on the front line.They're the ones that are trying to remove this, which has been a continual threat against Israel, Hamas.And I saw some of the interviews you had with different individuals in the military.Tell us about those conversations with the military.Well, I think the military is they're very much focused and they're determined and they're resolute on eliminating Hamas. And they're not only on eliminating Hamas, but also Hezbollah.You have to keep in mind too that Hezbollah there's 60 000 Israeli citizens that were evacuated out of the north and another 70 000 that were evacuated out of the south and they're all living in the hotels right now. So you have tens of thousands over, almost 200,000 Israeli citizens that are evacuated right now because of the threat from Hamas and because of the threat from Hezbollah.And so, but their perspective, what they were saying is that they're first focusing on Hamas and they're going to eliminate Hamas because just like in 2014, when they were resolute on eliminating Hamas, and then because of the international pressure, a lot because of the Obama administration.They pulled back and they stopped.Well, look what's happened now, look at what has happened because they didn't finish Hamas back in 2014 or 2021 again and then look at how they use that ceasefire from 2021 basically Hamas was in a ceasefire since 2021 and instead of honouring that ceasefire they used it to rebuild rearm and and plan October 7 and so that's what happens when they say a ceasefire They're rebuilding and rearming and then that's what happened. So you have no option.The military has no option. Israel has no option but to eliminate Hamas and they also have the threat from Hezbollah. So we just to keep in mind to that Hezbollah had, so Hamas used Hezbollah's plan that they have had for over 10 years to invade northern Israel and take hundreds of Israelis hostage, which would put pressure then on the Western countries. That was their plan.And they did drills. They did, planned, like they did the planned training.Previously, back in May 2023, there's video of Hezbollah doing these mock trainings, where it was the same attack that Hamas did on October 7th.And so Hezbollah is a greater threat than Hamas. But the threat right now, the immediate threat, from what my understanding is, is Hamas.They have to eliminate Hamas first, but they will have to deal with Hezbollah.And they'll have to go back to the UN 1701, where Hezbollah is north of Israel.So they're not on the Israeli border and it has to be enforced by the UN but they're gonna have to deal with the threat from Hezbollah because they have the same plan and those, Thousands of Israelis will not move back home until the threat from Hezbollah is completely eliminated as well. So they are getting attacked on all fronts and not to mention the attacks that are coming from the West Bank as well. And that's what I've heard too is that you know, people are asking why how did they miss it the intelligence failure?And it was the biggest intelligence failure. They're saying since 1973. Well, they were focused so much on the West Bank.They were focused so much on the threat from Hezbollah.And they were also allowing thousands and thousands of the Gazan civilians to come in every single day on work visas.And those Gazans that were coming in on work visas turned against Israel.And a lot of them were the ones that were mapping out the exact locations for Hamas's attack on October 7th.So that's what I learned talking to people.Probably one of the most things that I took away was that they realized how wrong they were for this two-state solution, and living in peace side by side because they totally use what they were given to the Gazan civilians because the Gazan civilians, 70% of them support Hamas, and they use that against Israel.And they use that opportunity where they were coming in on work visas, getting money, and they were the ones to turn against Israel and with all of the maps and the locations and commit that atrocious attack.So that is another takeaway, but I have a lot to say on the Gazan civilians too.
Well, let me touch on, there's just one other thing you talked about, the military and the country, I guess, was living in a false sense of security because the borders have been fairly peaceful.You've got economic relationships warming up between countries around.And you haven't actually, it's been a long time since I remember hearing of a suicide bomber in Israel on buses or trains which used to hear of fairly often.That seems to be have been eradicated and with the borders more secure than before.Was it simply just a false sense of security? Israel thinking actually we've got economic benefits. And that's going to trump any in-built religious hatred which exists.Yeah, I think it was a false sense of security. And I think a lot too was that they were allowing those, the Gazans to come in on those work visas.And they just didn't think that they would do something, you know, to turn against them when they were allowing so thousands and thousands of them to come in.And one of the, what really stuck out to me was the kibbutz's that were the most attacks, the worst attack that took place, the majority of them were the kind of thinking they call them the liberal, the leftist, because they were, they were the ones reaching out, you know, to the Gazan civilians, to Hamas.Some of them, one example was a lady who used, not only one lady, but there were other women as well, that would, for years, would bring in the civilians to the hospitals and take care of the children in Gaza, and they murdered her.And they murdered a lot of the people at the kibbutz who were the ones that believed that you could live side by side, the ones that believed that you could have that peace.And that is something that even people that believed for years and years and had been involved in some of the peace agreements.They said that was their biggest eye-opener, is how wrong they were, how wrong they were that you could have that two-state solution, and live side-by-side because they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.And that was a big wake-up call.And that's why I think the perspective is so different.And I heard that there has never been more of a unity within Israel to annihilate and eliminate Hamas than there is now.They said over 99% of Israel is all unified, that you have to eliminate Hamas.So not only Hamas, but Hezbollah in the north as well.Let me come back to you on Israeli failing.You mentioned you've got a lot to say on the actual people living in Gaza.I don't even want to call them Palestinians, but I will not even delve down that rabbit hole.But those living in Gaza, they seem to, well, the world seems to want to blame Israel for the problems happening in Gaza under Hamas and the world doesn't seem to actually have any issues with Hamas being the government and democracy not functioning all of that and and it seems as though the people there certainly the media tell us that all their ire and anger is against Israel for their problems and not against Hamas.Tell us about kind of what the conversations, what you learned about actually those people living in Gaza.That was something that I learned right away when we were at the kibbutz.They were talking about how people aren't mentioning, and they weren't talking about the 3,000 Gazan civilians that broke in and breached the wall after Hamas made the initial breach.There were thousands of Gazan civilians, Palestinians, that came in and they stole trucks from the kibbutz's, and they stole and they looted within.They took TVs and they stole things and those were the civilians.And so you see all these pro-Palestinian protests and they're not pro-Palestinian.If they were pro-Palestinian, why doesn't Jordan take them in?Why doesn't Egypt take them in? Why don't these Arab countries take in these Palestinians that they seem to care so much about? Why? They don't want them.Nobody wants the Palestinians because they're 70% pro-Hamas and they're indoctrinated since they're children, which I'd love to touch on the UNHCR funding too, the UN funding where this indoctrination is happening at the schools and it's being funded by the US, by the EU, by the European countries, right?By the Western world for this indoctrination in these schools that is bringing up these little kids to kill Israelis.So the Arab countries, they don't want them, But yet, in the whole world, everybody, it seems to be pro-Palestinian, but they're not pro-Palestinian.They're pro-Hamas and they're anti-Israel. That's what that is.So I don't even call them pro-Palestinian rallies or protests.That's not what they are.They're not pro-Palestinian. They're anti-Israel and they're pro-Hamas.
Yeah, we've seen that here.The people there, because the media can tell us that it's sad that the people in Gaza, and obviously you have many civilians caught up in this, civilians on both sides and no one wants a war situation.It's not good for any country but Israel didn't choose this.But you look at the people in Gaza and on one side it's the poor people there, they're living under a difficult government but you've been to Arab Spring, different demonstrations.I know I've had many conversations with those who had lived behind the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe.You have uprisings, you have people uprising to overthrow those above them. And that may not be easy.And maybe me speaking as a Brit, it's easy for me to say that, but that's how history works.And surely the same thing should work in Gaza.If the people are unhappy with those above them, then they should overthrow them.
Yeah. And I think actually you're seeing more of that right now.You're seeing where these Hamas members are surrendering in the masses.And I think you're seeing more of the people starting to turn against Hamas.But even like when you look at the statistics and the polling, you have 73% of the people that live in Gaza, the Palestinians, they support Hamas.They're Hamas sympathizers. And a lot of that has to do with the indoctrination and the schooling since they're kids.You see the videos of these children who have, you know, machine guns and they're taught and they're raised to just hate Israelis and they're honoured if they murder Israelis and that's their indoctrination.So you've got to break that ideology.You know, you can definitely eliminate Hamas as an organization, but it's an ideology that you really have to come against, which we've done in the past.You know, look at what we did with Germany and Japan. So you can come against an ideology and that's what you have to do.And so that is, yeah, that is a whole different conversation.Looking at how the people live, that is all, as you pointed out, it's all funded by the West.That perpetual hatred, that perpetual tension, when we have politicians talk about they want peace, but at the same time they're funding a terror organisation and keeping that pocket of evil right on the edge ready to kick off.You're right it does seem to be that the West are guilty of what has happened.The UN is funding it. The UN is funding that ideology.The Western world is funding it. The United States is funding it and under the Trump administration they cut that funding to UNRWA.They cut the hundreds of millions of dollars to UNHCR and Biden immediately restarted that funding again.And that funding goes directly to Hamas and it goes directly to funding that ideology and that's taking place in that school.So if you want to start with one thing to cut, which we could do right now, is eliminate UNHCR, completely eliminate UNHCR, and cut that funding that's going to UNHCR.But right now they're launching, UNHCR has literally launched a Hamas campaign.That's what they're doing. They are the spokespeople for Hamas and when you look them up and you look at the campaign that they're doing right now. You will see how they are basically launching a campaign and it's with US funding and it's with UN funding. So just think of that. We're funding Hamas's campaign.UNHCR, tell us what that stands for. 
UN Refugee Program Agency.
Okay, that does explain a lot.You mentioned about the Israeli people and a unity behind the government and the military.That hasn't always been the case, and certainly I've seen a lot of self-hatred, maybe mostly from Israelis and Jews who live abroad and look back.But with that unity, then that possibly does mean the job can be done.May tell us about that, your conversations with people.About the unity that's happening in Israel right now?That is something they said, They're 99% unified and Israel too, they were having, they were so divided pre, and this other people will say, well, because the country was so divided before the Hamas attack over the judicial reforms.That was the big focus in Israel. That was really dividing the country.But after this Hamas attack, everyone has been saying they have never seen more unity. And when you get to Israel, that's what you see.You see the Israeli flags all over the country, every building, all the roads.I mean, every car has an Israeli flag. It's that, like you're unified.It was like, it reminded me of September 11th, you know, after September 11th, every single American flag was sold out.Everybody was unified. They were against terrorism and they were unified as a nation and a world.The whole global community was unified. And that's where I don't understand why you're not seeing that now with Hamas attack. Hamas is ISIS.Hamas is ISIS. It's the same funding, it's the same ideology, it's the same groups, the same kind of the countries that are behind it, the terrorist organization, the tactics, the beliefs, the ideology, all of it's the same. So Hamas is ISIS.And the attacks that they did against the Israeli citizens when they killed babies, when they cut open pregnant women, when they raped women multiple times and then burn their bodies, they beheaded people.I mean, that's ISIS.You can't even fathom having anyone that would even think that they could support Hamas right now or support ISIS.Just think of that if you had ISIS supporters, think of the difference in the perspective that you would see if you had all of these students protesting for ISIS, you wouldn't see that.And if you held ISIS beliefs, you would be prosecuted, right?The FBI is going to be hunting at your door if you showed any kind of sympathy with ISIS.But why are they not doing that with Hamas?Hamas is ISIS. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.They come from the same sources.There's no difference in them, but yet we're allowing this like pro-Hamas.Even in our campuses, sentiment.I mean, you should have the FBI at the door, even having that, just like it was with ISIS. You should have that same mentality towards Hamas.There's no reason in the 21st century to have a terrorist organization that commits those kind of barbaric, inhumane acts.I mean, there's just no, there's no space for that. There should be zero tolerance for that.And the world should be united as we were all united with the United States on 9-11 when we all came together, you know, for the war on global terrorism.That's what we're dealing with. This is a global war on terrorism.That's what we're fighting right now. And there should be no divide in that.And yet you're seeing it all over, especially in the UK.Oh yeah, in the UK. I want to pick up on some of the military in the north and Hezbollah and surrounding, but let me ask you about that world support or pressure, how the media have responded.Europe have always had a very uneasy relationship with Israel.Europe have traditionally sided with Arab nations against Israel.America is quite different and America has generally been a bastion of support for Israel right from the beginning, from the modern day state.But what is that like because you have in campuses, as you see here I guess in the States, a lot of pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian, because people don't know any better.But generally the media, up until, they're still generally holding to be more pro-Israel, although you see that beginning to slip.And with the BBC, it maybe lasted a few days before it slipped, but I think in the US, it's lasted a lot longer.Tell us about that, because not only is there a military war but there's a PR and media war as well.
Yeah, and that was where I think it's starting to shift. I think right away there was all of that pressure and people saw that.I think the social media, China was behind a lot of that on TikTok.They were fomenting a lot of that anti-Israel.I think China was a lot behind that, especially on TikTok social media.But I think you're seeing it start to swing now.And I think because people, when they see the videos and when they see it themselves, I think you can't defend it like it was so barbaric and inhumane what they did. No one can defend it so I think that's the difference that you're seeing and that's why it's starting to shift is because It is ISIS and when you when you see what how just that's why, when Hamas did this like 2014 when they launched the rockets and the war in 2014 it was very different because you just look at what, they targeted civilians, they targeted babies, they targeted women, and then they kidnapped them, they kidnapped babies, they kidnapped young little kids.And so that I think people are seeing that anyone that is a human being, right, that has any kind of understanding or emotion, common sense, you have to condemn it.There's just zero tolerance for that. And I think people are starting to see that.And that's why it's important for the actual videos and the reporting to happen, because Hamas is launching this massive information campaign, massive information war, which they've always done.You know, they've always done. And that's why you're seeing even pushback on the mainstream media.You know, when just for a perfect example, I think several weeks ago when you had, Shiva hospital and it was and they were saying that it was Israel that hit it right and it was Hamas but yet look at the condemnation because of the false reporting and they had to push back and to be able to report the truth and you have members of Congress.Rashid Talib, you know who was still not even believing Israel when all the evidence was there, even when the Biden administration themselves, you know came out and said no it wasn't Israel.It was Hamas you know, you still had a member of Congress who was coming out there and spewing these lies against Israel because she's, you know, she's part of that false campaign against Israel.And so I think you can't dispute the evidence.You just can't. No matter what, you just cannot dispute the evidence.And I think that's the information war that Israel is, they still have to battle it.They absolutely have to battle it. And that's why it was important to go on the ground too, because you have to see it yourself. You've got to report it first-hand.And if people were to see what I saw in the kibbutz's and what I heard, that's what will change your perspective.That's what will make you see.And that's why it is so important for the media to report it accurately.Tera, you touched on the opposition in the left in politics, in the media, and we see that as well in Europe and the UK and our media is dominated by those on the left and politics that are on the left.But we're all seeing another curious, I guess, voice come up and that's the voices that have appeared over the last kind of three, three and a half years on the COVID tyranny, demanding freedoms, angry at the restrictions we faced.And there's a lot of anger amongst that group, certainly against Israel, because of how it locked down more than anyone else before.It only allowed one vaccine to be used, the Pfizer vaccine. You didn't have any right to have anything else.It seemed to be a test bed, an experiment.And I think a lot of that anger against Israel, what's happened the last three, four years under that tyranny, has boiled over into hatred of Israel and Jewish haters.And I've realised a lot of those groups are maybe more in the left and they've traditionally had that hatred of Israel.And you see it popping up time and time again, groups that I would be surprised at.I don't know where, are you having that in the US or is the opposition traditionally from the left on the politics and the media?The left and the politics and the media. I think you have, the United States, you have such strong support for Israel.The evangelical church supports Israel.Democrats, Republicans, it's really dividing the Democratic Party.You've got very staunch pro-Israel Democrats, and the Republican Party has always been very pro-Israel.And so I think you do see it on the left. I think you do see it in that more of the Muslim Brotherhood, I think, influence the college campuses is probably the loudest where it's coming from.But again, that's where you have to look at the sources of that.I don't think it comes from the COVID lockdowns.If you're pro-Israel, you know, you just, for me, it's my faith, you know, God will bless Israel.Those that bless Israel be blessed. Those that curse Israel be cursed.And so you support Israel. And it's not because of who the politicians are, it's not who's in office at the time, it's because God blesses those that bless Israel, and you stand with Israel. And it's a biblical mandate.And I know that's where my position stems from, is I'm going to honour God, and I'm going to stand with Israel.And it's not because of the politicians or who's in power or what their policies are.I agree, that's 100% of where I come from, happily call myself a Christian Zionist because of what the Bible teaches.But then you talk to a non-Christian and you say, well, do you pick Hamas or Israel?Take your choice and don't tell me you want to live in Israel because of freedoms, but really want to hate Israel.And that's, yeah, wanting the freedoms, but yet hating it. It's like wanting a pride parade through Gaza.Well, go for it. You could be the first, and I want to be there to film it and see what happens.You have tolerance and freedom in one country across the board, and yet across the border, not only across the border into Gaza, but in West Bank, in many of the surrounding countries, you have little freedoms.Yeah, yeah, you do, you do. But they're a young country, 75 years old.And so they're still growing and like when you look at Israel, it's a miracle, right?Like it's an absolute miracle everything about Israel is miraculous. It was a desert and it's turned into a green land and is you know rivers and streams and lush and green trees and even just being there and you just see how beautiful Israel is and it's the hand of God and it's miraculous and there's no way that anything that Israel could have existed if it wasn't for God's providence in that country and his hand in doing it.
100%. You touched on, just coming near the end, you touched on the north and obviously the Gaza Strip is southwest.You've got the West Bank to the east and you've got up there in the northern border, Lebanon and Syria.You've got two countries which are failed states in effect and with Hezbollah.I mean for a country and a military to be fighting war on one side, but yet they must be ready and prepared at a moment's notice to open up that on a second front.It's horrendous, horrendous pressure and so far it has held off on the North, but as you say, they will have to deal with that.But the Israeli military have shown time and time again that they are able to fight on many fronts, in 48 and in 73, to attack, to fight on every single front and to be able to push that back.But that kind of, maybe touch on that, that constant state of readiness that has to be there.Everything can't just go to Gaza, it has to be prepared, not only in the North Hezbollah, but also on the West Bank border as well.
And they are, you know, when I was there too, the IDF was, Hezbollah would launch rockets at Israel and Israel would respond.So they're well positioned to be able to respond to Hezbollah, to be able to eliminate the threat from Hezbollah.Just from what, you know, like, what I was told is that they're going to focus on the closest threat, the immediate threat, and that's eliminating Hamas, because, and that's also a quicker operation than Hezbollah.Hezbollah has about 150,000 rockets.They are a much, much stronger, well-equipped, dangerous force than Hamas.Obviously, they're backed by Iran. But the one thing I think that Israel has right now is like the U.S.Warships have been deployed, and they're not doing, actually, they're not doing the deterrence that they should do.Obviously, our troops in the region have been attacked now, over 70 times every day they're adding to the attacks that are going on right now.So the US needs to do much more deterrence to hold Iran at bay and to prevent Hezbollah from joining the war fully.But I think what's the number one thing right now that is preventing Hezbollah is that Lebanon and the civilians in Lebanon do not want Hezbollah to join the war because they're the ones that will be eliminated.And just like Hamas uses the schools and the civilians and the homes as their headquarters, as their military headquarters, and they hold their rockets and that's where they launch all their attacks and use it as their headquarters, that's exactly what Hezbollah does in Lebanon.And they do it as well in the Christian communities in Lebanon.Then they use the schools and they hold the civilians hostage and they use the civilians as their hostages just like they do.You don't hear about it as much, but that's exactly what's going on in Lebanon.And that's what Hezbollah is doing. They're hiding their rockets in these schools, in the hospitals.So, Lebanon does not want Hezbollah to join this war.And the civilians don't, because when the IDF, then Hezbollah will launch an attack from a Christian community, a village, or an area.And that happened when I was there. They launched it from a Christian area, and then the IDF will respond.And then it makes it look like the IDF is hitting a church. Well, no.Hezbollah was using that church as their headquarters at their launching pad to launch these rocket attacks.So of course, the IDF is going to respond to eliminate the threat, they have to.But that's the tactics that they use. And so I think if you put pressure on Lebanon, and obviously, the Hezbollah has, you know, power and control in Lebanon, but I think that's where you could really deter Hezbollah.And the UN could deter Hezbollah as well, like they already passed in 2006, the UN Resolution 1701 to be able to push Hezbollah up past the Latani River, so they're not on the Israeli border, but it's not being enforced.Hezbollah attacks the UN forces because there's not enough, they attack them.I've seen the videos of them attacking their trucks.So Hezbollah dominates in that area, and they're not even supposed to be in that area.So there are things already that exist that just are not being enforced that could really prevent from Israel having, or from that the Northern Front, really being an all-out war?Just finish off on, where Israel goes the future, because Israel has to come out of this stronger.It has to come out of this having defeated Hamas, and whatever that means for Gaza, that will have to be for others to decide.But militarily and security-wise, has to come out the stronger.And then politically, how do you see that happening? Because Israeli politics has always been fractured.And what Benjamin Netanyahu, who's the great survivor, being what PM, differences a third or fourth time now since 96.And obviously that has to pass over at some point, kind of how did you pick up on that political, obviously there's support for him, what he's doing, he needs to come out of this with a strong legacy, and I guess someone else has to also come up and continue his, I guess his boldness and determination to fight for Israel's security.So let me just touch on that, that political side, what did you feel coming away from your trip on that?
I think Israel will come out stronger. I think that you will see something different in Gaza, Hamas will be eliminated and what that is, I didn't get the sense that Israel wants to take over Gaza.I think they don't want to do that. I think you'll have the sovereignty of Israel, you'll have the sovereignty of Israelinvolved but will that include security will that include Arab countries, you know, you hear talks about maybe Saudi Arabia the UAE.One country that that I don't think should have any Impact at all is Qatar. Qatar should have absolutely no influence in Gaza because Qatar is the Muslim Brotherhood.They are the problem and they should be sanctioned, you know the international community should be sanctioning Qatar but if you have like an Arab force, if you have a UN peacekeeping force, some kind of security, but it's Israel's sovereignty.Israel should control, it's their country, and they should have the decisions and it should be in their control to decide.It's their civilians, it's their people, it's their responsibility to keep the civilians of Israel safe and defend their country.And so the US, I mean, the pressure from the Biden administration in any kind of way against Israel to have that sovereignty, you know, that needs to be pushed back on and that you need to allow Israel to be able to have that sovereignty.And also I think the sovereignty as well over Judea and Samaria, you know, the Palestinian Authority, it's not okay for Israel to live under siege.That's not normal. And they shouldn't have to live that way.They should be able to eliminate the attacks.I mean, just think if we were in Texas and someone in Mexico, or not someone, cartels were launching attacks with rockets every day at Texan citizens.And they couldn't eliminate the threat, but instead they just had to build around it to protect themselves, right? They just had to build an Iron Dome or a defence system to be able to protect from the rockets. Instead of taking out the cartels who's launching the rockets.It makes no sense, you know, take out the threat.And so that's something that we need to get behind Israel and allow them to do that and to support them in doing that. But I think you will see a safer Israel, you'll see more sovereignty, and they should.And that's where I think the international community, I don't understand their position in pressuring for a two-state solution, because there is no two-state solution.It just doesn't exist because the Palestinian Authority is not, there is no structure.It doesn't even, it doesn't make any sense. A, it's unbiblical, right? It's against God. You don't divide God's land.Again, those that bless Israel, like America's policy, I think, is directly impacted by our decisions to bless Israel.But there is just no common sense, viable option with the Palestinian Authority.They just don't have the financial structure right now, and they want to eliminate Israel as well.
Tera, really appreciate you coming along and sharing your thoughts on your trip there. So thank you so much for joining us and sharing the stories you had from your trip. Thanks.Thank you, Peter. It's so good to be with you. Thank you.

Dwight Schultz - Its Alright to be Dwight: #006

Welcome to 'Its Alright to be Dwight'A podcast with the television, film and voice actor Dwight Schultz, exclusive to Hearts of Oak.This episode Dwight waxes lyrical on alleged plots, assassination, John Bolton, bribery, Joe Biden, critical race theory, Hamas, government inaction, open borders, honour killings, paedophilia, vaccine passports, national debt and the depreciation of money.
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Ben Bergquam - Law & Border: If this Doesn’t Piss You Off, You’re Not American!

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Ben Bergquam is familiar to the WarRoom posse as he has been RAV's border expert for years now. His Law & Border show regularly exposes the continual failure of Capitol Hill to deal with this avalanche of illegal aliens. We welcome him to Hearts of Oak to discuss his experiences. Where is this never ending stream of illegal immigration coming from? Why do Congress refuse to even acknowledge the problem, never mind stop the flow? And when will Americans learn that they cannot get away from the problem by fleeing California and New York? Once these people are within the borders of America, they are free to go anywhere and do what they like. It's time for Americans to become so 'pissed off' at this injustice that they demand action. 
Ben Bergquam is a well-known Texas-born conservative Christian correspondent. He is the host of “Law & Border “ on RAV-TV News. His experience includes working in the state government and the private sector and engaging in political activism in California and America.He travels the country and Mexico, exposing the massive corruption of the left and the never ending crisis at the border. Ben is out there every single day fighting for values and country.Ben also founded Frontline America, a national organization to restore USA identity: "One Nation Under God!" - exposing the left and mobilizing the Christian conservative remnant.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
Ben Bergquam, it is wonderful to have you with us. Thanks so much for giving us your time today.
(Ben Bergquam)
It's great to be with you, sir. 
Great to have you, and obviously seeing you many times on War Room.Obviously, you're doing a lot with Real America Voice.Many of your pieces on the border, people can find you @BenBergquam, is your Twitter handle.You're the host of Law & Border on Real America Voice News, founder of Frontline America, Christian conservative, husband and father, all ticks the right boxes. So great to have you.Maybe, Ben, you can touch on your, how did you fall in, I guess, to being a journalist?And I think most of what I saw, you put out a lot of stuff, but a lot is a focus on the border, on that immigration issue.How did you end up kind of being a journalist and covering that specific area?You know, it's an interesting backstory. I didn't plan on it.In college, I was an undergrad kinesiology exercise science major, so I was a fitness major, ended up getting my MBA.Before that, I was in architecture and art, and so a whole bunch of kind of background.I played football and, you know, I was just a sports guy.But in college, I saw the direction. I went to high school and college in California.Parents were missionaries in Africa when when I was a kid, we ended up in California and I saw the direction the state was going.I saw how evil things were getting and I saw nobody standing up to fight back for the most part, you know, even the Republicans in California, they just seemed comfortable losing.And so I, it was about the same time that Facebook Live had come out.And in college, I'd started a conservative values organization.I kind of, I got burned out in politics and then I got into drugs and alcohol for a while, I was actually a crack addict for a while.And God turned my life back around in 2015 and right into the 2016 campaign.And I was full on. And so I just took my phone out and started filming and going up and confronting the left in Sacramento.And mostly at the beginning, it's really always been God, family, country are the three pillars of what I focus on.And wherever they fall into that, those one of those categories.In California, obviously it's godlessness, it's evil, It's the far left is taken over to the point now where we can't even define what a woman is.I mean who would have thought 10 years ago even that that would be a subject we'd be having.And but this was this was one of the issues in California in college though what what I noticed was I'm struggling to even get through college. I'm paying my own way.My parents weren't wealthy and so they they couldn't pay me or pay my way through college and we made just enough money to where I didn't qualify for any of the the freebies that the government gives out in California but all of a sudden I noticed several of my classes had illegal aliens in them that were getting full scholarships, and I thought what the hell is going on here and then what really turned me on to the border and made me passionate about it was I met an angel mom named Agnes Gibney whose son she was a legal immigrant.My wife's a legal immigrant. My wife's family escaped communism from Laos to come here. Agnes Gibney, she escaped communism her family fled after World War two and they ended up first in Brazil and then in in California, her son was murdered by an illegal alien.And I started getting story after story after story of these families whose family members had been murdered by illegal aliens. And this was about the same time that this whole argument conversation about sanctuary cities and sanctuary states was coming up.And so I just couldn't believe it. I thought, how the hell could we be in a state that would protect illegal aliens, people that have no right to be here in the first place, above American citizens, and in some cases, above American citizens who had come here legally to escape communism, socialism, the despots of the world.And so that, it just pissed me off, honestly, I just thought, there's no way, this just can't be happening.So I got heavily involved with the Fight Sanctuary State movement, and then that kind of led me down the path of illegal immigration, was on, had a show on the Salem Radio Network for a year, and it was everything but a heavy focus on immigration.And then about that same time, Real America's Voice News had started.They saw the work I was doing. They came and said, we need a border guy. Are you interested?And that's been about four, four and a half years, five years now, been on with Real America's Voice. So it's really been a progression.God's plan is not necessarily our timing, but it's been a pretty amazing ride as well.So now I do the show Law & Border, travel all over North America, down into South America, we're even over in Europe this summer, showing the connections between the United Nations, the globalists, the Great Reset, everything that's happening in Europe, and the connections between the invasion we have on our southern border in America.So it's all of that. Even the border is not just the border.The border is the fight of freedom, liberty versus communism, socialism, it's the fight against the new world order, the globalist leftist, the you know the great reset, Klaus Schwab, WEF, all of this.And it you know it all ties together, it's all in some ways it's all one.
I would love to pick up on missionary family in Africa, God turn your life around, trust me I'll come back to you on a full story on that because to me that's extremely exciting.But onto the border which will stay on all today but that there will be a part two definitely if Ben has the time.I think it's the mass of people I mean here's just a a video just put up just for 15 seconds and it shows the amount of people you'd posted from someone else this was probably maybe two weeks ago.Let me just put just 10 seconds of this up for people to see.Yeah, this is actually a video shot by Alden Cabello. He actually lives in Acuna, Mexico.This is in Eagle Pass, Texas, coming across from Piedras Negas.And these are the lines that you see now.Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people, thousands per day, just marching on into America.
Where do you go because it's, people find it hard to believe the amount of individuals and we in the UK have a much smaller level of immigration with 50,000 coming across illegally on boats and the English Channel from France to UK is our southern border in effect.And that's what we see, that pays a significance on what you have.And how do you actually portray to the public the amount, because it's the amount that makes people think, no, this can't be real, it's just, this is a story you're trying to spin, go away.The scale of it, touch on that.Well, all you have to do is look at the federal government's numbers, and these are conservative numbers, so I'll break them into two.It's the known apprehensions, and we're up around 8 million since Joe Biden took office, and then the unknowns, and they admit to around 1.8 million of what they call the got-aways.Just taking the 8 million, if you take that, if you just took away the go-taways and say, okay, we're going to take the federal government at its own numbers, and we're going to say that 8 million people have come into our country, that is the population of more than 35 states in the United States.That's, you know, so you take an entire state, I'm in the state of Arkansas right now. Our population is under 4 million people, right around 4 million people.That's double our state's population. So, you know, if you compare that in quantity, and again, these are conservative numbers.Now you add in the got-aways, and this is the number that actually really pisses me off. And I'm gonna show you, I actually have a couple little illustrations here.That'll help tell the story. Every time I go down to the border, I look for, I call them souvenirs, but they're really more of evidence.I get IDs from all over the world. I get passports from all over the world.I get little booklets. This is a little Chinese Proverbs booklet that was left there.And you would ask, well, why would anybody dump these IDs? Why would you ever, why? Like, if I lost my passport, I would freak out. I travel all over the world.You know, that's one of your big concerns when you're traveling.Don't lose your passport.They're dumping. They're not losing their passports, they're dumping their passports.And we've asked them, I've actually interviewed people, I was on the Mexico side, and I saw this family from Africa.And they were taking all of their documents, I've actually filmed them doing this.And they were burning them on the shore, they were taking out their IDs, they were taking and trying to burn them before they went across.And we've asked multiple people, why would you do that?And they said, they've actually been coached on this, that they have an easier time coming into America if the government doesn't know who they are.So they can make up any back story they want. They can say they are whoever they want.As long as they don't show up on Interpol or one of our terror watch lists, or they haven't been previously deported or have a criminal record with a country that we share information with, we have zero way of vetting them or verifying.So they can make up any story.And the sad reality is, this is one of the parts that the left doesn't want to talk about. There's many parts that the left doesn't want to talk about.The children are actually used simply as pawns. So if you come across as a single adult male.It used to be you had a harder time getting in. Now, we're just letting everybody in. But it used to be you had a harder time getting in.So what they do is in Mexico and in Central America, they have black markets for children.Families will sell their children. People will steal children.And the men will come across, sometimes the women as well. And they'll bring a child with them. They'll say, this is my daughter.We have no way of verifying that. We let you in as a family.And then they will send those children back.Border Patrol calls it recycling. So they actually recycle these kids.And they'll filter them through. And if you came through with a passport and that child had a birth certificate and they were from two different countries and there was no connection, well, it would be a lot harder to spin that story.But if you come across with nothing and you say, this is my child, this is my son, this is my daughter, this is my wife, we have no way of verifying that. So that's part of it.But the big concern that I have, it's both. I mean, the known 8 million people, we can't afford that.We're in a country that's $33 trillion in debt. We are going more in debt every single day.We're paying off other countries. We're paying for their wars.We're paying for them to secure their borders, but we're going bankrupt.And while we're doing that, we're inviting in millions of more people who are all going to end up on our government dole at some point, whether that's through welfare, the asylum process, they're all paid a monthly stipend to be here if they end up being granted asylum, through our education system, through our healthcare networks.So we are literally slitting our own country's throat. with what's going on, just on the ones we're inviting in, then you take the millions more that are coming through, and again, I'll give you a little illustration of that.My last trip down to Luke, there's some areas right now that are being really heavily hit, and most of it, Texas is really bad, Arizona is really bad, California is as well, but it's not talked about as much.But I was down in Arizona, I was filming an area, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, I was down there showing these massive groups, 1,500 people coming across at a time.And just to put that in perspective, imagine you're out in the middle of nowhere, you're three hours from civilization, you're out in the desert, we call it no man's land, and all of a sudden, 1,500 people show up.I mean, it's like they're showing up for a football game.You know, they're gonna just march on in. They've got some of the bags of luggage.You know, they've travelled around the world to get here. And now they're marching through the desert, walking up to you saying, let us in, or just demanding that they be let in. That's happening day after day after day.And that's one point, one point on a 2,000 mile long border.And it's happening at hundreds of points along our southern border.Well, while that's happening, while you have these people that are turning themselves in that want to get caught, that are gaming the system, because the United Nations and Catholic charities and Lutheran social services and Jewish family services, all of these communist NGOs that are getting paid off to do this are inviting them in.A mile up the road, I went to a little place called Sasabe, Arizona.They're turning themselves in there as well. I go a mile past where they're turning themselves in, and I catch a group of cartel members that are running drugs across our border.Literally, I drive up. I'm the only one there.There's no border patrol because border patrol is all being used on processing these fake asylum seekers. And I look across the wall. I'm 20 feet away from the wall.And I see this backpack, so I back up to it, jump out of the car.I'm armed because we're dealing with cartels. They walk around with AK-47s on the Mexico side and on the US side.And so I look down, all of a sudden I'm like, oh man, this is bad.I've got seven guys all in full camouflage about to cross over.They'd actually already been in the US side.They ran back across when I backed up to them. And I start filming.And thank God I was filming because I actually heard in the camera, the coyote, the cartel coyote say, let's go, let's go, let's go back.He's filming in Spanish, he says this.Well, while they ran away, one of the guys actually dropped their hat.So this is an official cartel camouflage hat that was dropped on our Southern border simply because I was there.But as soon as I left, guaranteed that group with their drugs and their full backpacks came across and there was no border patrol for hundreds of miles to stop them. And that's the state of our border right now.We are spending all of our border patrol resources, the vast majority of it on processing fake asylum seekers and the areas in between are completely wide open for drug smugglers, for sex traffickers, and for potential terrorists.So we are, we are destroying our country as we speak by the very people that have sworn an oath to protect our country.I mean it, so you know, where people say well it couldn't be that bad, imagine the worst you can think it could be and it's worse.Can I ask you because in the UK we talk about immigration affecting services, so schools and hospitals and transport.But in the US, when you look at the drugs problem coming across the border, the fentanyl problem you have in the US, and it seems to be that, as much as I would love to say, well this is the Democrats' fault, actually it seems to be that no one wants to deal with this.Surely a drugs problem would make people wake up, especially with many of the politicians having families, having children.How does that not hit home and that to be a reason to shut the border?Yeah, it's a great question. We had over 100,000 young people die of fentanyl overdoses last year.It's the number one killer for people 18 to 45 in America.It is a weapon of mass destruction.The precursors to fentanyl were originally created in China.Most of them still come from China. They're shipped to the cartels in Mexico.And then the Mexican terrorist drug cartels smuggled them across our southern border to kill American citizens.There's no question about it. If we considered this, if this was the Taliban, that had killed 100,000 Americans, we went to war for 20 years over a fraction of that.3000 people dying on 9-11, we spent 20 years in the Middle East, supposedly fighting terrorists.We have 100,000 plus people die every single year and both sides seem to not care at all.I mean, we're having this idiotic discussion in Washington DC right now about the federal government shutting down while our country is bleeding out.We don't even, as you mentioned, the Democrats to me, I mean, in some ways they're terrible, they're evil, they're inviting this, but some ways they're not as bad. At least they're stabbing me in the front.It's the people that claim to be on my side, the people that claim to care about these issues that end up stabbing you in the back.You look at guys like Kevin McCarthy who was in there as speaker, did absolutely nothing to stop this. We look at most politicians in America will talk about issues, but they do absolutely nothing.And I think the message should be very simple.Shut the government down until we can shut this invasion on our southern border down. And if you don't have the balls to do that, then get out of Congress.We need that. And again, as you mentioned, it's been on both sides.Historically, if we back up just a little bit.Up until President Trump, you had Democrats and Republicans.They both loved illegal immigration.Republicans loved it for the cheap labour. The chambers of commerce love cheap labour.They love people working under the table because it makes more money for them.You also had the Democrats that love it because they love holding people under their thumb. They love having easy votes.And ultimately, it's a win for slavery.I mean, you talk about, you know, we ended slavery in the United States.We ended in UK over a hundred years ago, but there are more slaves today in America than there ever have been because of what we have going on our southern border. So all of that.Then President Trump came in and said, wait a second, this isn't good.This isn't good for America.This isn't good for the people that this is happening to. This isn't good for the countries that they're leaving.And ultimately, if this continues, the world will be affected by this.This will be bad for everyone because if America falls, the world falls.And so President Trump was the first one that came in and said, we're actually going to do something to stop this. And he did.We saw the lowest numbers. When President Trump took office, they were some of the highest numbers we'd seen.When President Trump left office when the election was stolen, I don't know if I can say that on your show, but I absolutely believe it.
Oh, you can. We're not on YouTube.Say it's stolen. 100%. 
It was. It was 100% stolen.
The Democrats have perfected election fraud. When that happened, we had some of the lowest numbers we'd seen on the southern border.And it was simply because President Trump prioritized it and said, you will not break into our country, you will not get freebies.And the one big policy that he put into place was the remain in Mexico policy that said, if you're coming here requesting asylum, you're gonna wait on the Mexico side of the border until your case is adjudicated.And then we will let you in if you qualify.Well, the 95% of the people that are coming that are claiming asylum now, don't qualify for asylum.They got the message, we're not gonna get in. So they stayed home.Then you have Joe Biden come in and say, everybody's welcome, come on in, and now the floodgates are open. And you're right.So Democrats have invited this, but the Republicans have done almost nothing to stop it.And that's, you know, the Democrats need to be held.They need to be arrested and charged with treason. Joe Biden, Secretary Marcos, everybody who's inviting this, the NGOs like Catholic Charities need to be defunded immediately.The House has the control over the purse strings. They could do that today.And the United Nations needs to be defunded. And ultimately, when we take back control in 2024, which I pray and I believe we will, we need investigations into every single politician that has supported open borders to find out how many of them are bought off by the cartels.That's what we need in America, but right now we have none of that.Can I ask about the people coming over? I mean you put up a tweet, immigrants from 23 Islamic countries in Europe.It's actually the clash between people coming from Islamic countries and that cultural clash between the traditional Christian freedoms that we've had in Europe and then you come with a push on Islam and that's the almighty clash that we're having here.You haven't got it to quite that level but where is the push coming from?Obviously everyone, you can't blame people in theory if it's economic migrants wanting to be in a richer country.Everyone wants to be richer, everyone wants to have a better life, that's fair enough.But you don't necessarily have that right to just cross over and pick a nation.And where, where is the people groups coming from?And how is that the clash between US culture?
Well, that's the rub in America. It's not one it's we're getting, it's the death by a million cuts.So you have the people coming across that simply want a job and are taking it.You know, it's ironic too. We had four years with president Trump, some of the best job numbers for almost every single demographic, lowest unemployment for black, lowest unemployment for Hispanic, lowest unemployment for women until the China virus, until China unleashed COVID on the world.And then the election theft. Now you have some of the worst job numbers for the black community.Even the Hispanic community in America, the legal Hispanic community in America is being crushed by this.So you have the part of it that are just the economic migrants that are coming over for jobs.And I wish they were all just, I mean, honestly, I wish they were coming for jobs.But now you have this other side of it where you have illegal aliens that have been taught, you have generations now that have been taught that you can game the welfare system.You don't even have to work. And so now you have millions that are coming across simply to game the welfare system and they get it and they take it out of our kids' pockets as we continue to go further and further into debt.They take it from our kids' education. They take it from our healthcare system.Coming from California, used to live there, escaped a couple of years ago.And we had in our local area in the Central Valley, we've had three hospitals shut down in the last five years because of illegal aliens.They come in, they use the services, they don't pay the bills, and then the hospitals end up going bankrupt. And that's an epidemic happening across America.But then you have, as you guys see, and in some ways, it's better, it's worse for Europe, what's going on.By the way, if you haven't read a book, it's called The Sword in the Scimitar by Raymond Ibrahim.It's the thousand years of the war on Islam and Christendom.It is a extremely good book to read, to learn the history behind this from Mohammed up to until the Spain kicked the Moors out for good.You know, there was history to that about the same time as Christopher Columbus.This isn't new for Europe.You know, there's been a war. Muslims have been attacking Europe, trying to take over Europe for hundreds of years ever since Muhammad really, and after his death.Well, Spain actually got to the point right around 1400, end of 1400, where they said no more.They tried, they tried, they tried, and they said no more. And they ended up kicking the Moors all out of Spain, back to Northern Africa.Well, now you have these woke leftists saying, come on in guys, come on in. We've got, no, it's all compassion.We are, you know, and you have these, you have these brain dead, supposedly religious organizations that are saying, well, we want to be compassionate.We don't want to be mean people. So these, you know, we're going to look at people through the best lens possible. We're going to say, they just want a better life. We're going to invite them in.And not knowing that you're committing national suicide. And that's happening all across Europe. As I mentioned, I was in Sweden, I was in Europe this past summer.I started in Sweden, then went down through Denmark, into France.Actually, you mentioned the English Channel. I wish the Rio Grande River was as wide as the English Channel. We'd have a lot more control of it.But in Calais, Oscar Blue, one of my co-workers or compadres on Real America's Voice News, they were down there, and they were showing these houses, derelict houses with these Africans.It's interesting because you have the Christian Africans escaping the Muslims, leaving Africa, and then you have right behind them, the jihadists that are blending in and coming right up with them.And so that's what's happening. So you have Europe that has that, they have that, but in some ways it's better because you can say, okay, this is bad, we can isolate the enemy and we can say, nope, we're not gonna allow this anymore.If you can take back control from the woke, brain dead leftists.In America, now we have those other issues. We have the welfare state being overrun. We have the job takers coming in and then you have the jihadist as well being invited up by Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. And AOC who same way they just want the destruction of our country.So you have we have it on from all fronts.Takes a little bit longer to get here, a little bit harder for somebody to leave the Middle East to come to the United States, a little bit easier to go up into Europe.But in the end, it's the same enemy. So all of that's happening.But the tip of the spear on all of that, whether it's the jihadists coming up to Europe or the jihadists coming up through America, or the job killers or job takers or welfare takers coming up through both sides, it's the United Nations, it's the leftist, it's the World Economic Forum, it's this Klaus Schwab global reset, redistribution of wealth that is driving all of this and all of these fake godless communist non-governmental organizations, charities, that are at the front edge of this that are getting paid off by every government in the world to help enable the invasion of the West.That's what's happening.Can I just pick up on California just for our last five minutes or so because I know you're non-stop media so I do appreciate your time, Ben.But you touched on California. Obviously we've seen the crazy debate between Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom, legitimising Gavin Newsom and obviously many are pushing for him to run because Biden doesn't know what time the day it is, never mind that he's president.But let me just play this clip of you showing the tent cities, which I saw actually in LA April time last year, for the first time ever, was on the West Coast and the last time I ever want to be there.Let me just play this and just talk us through kind of what we're seeing and what you've seen in California, which obviously is the state you know well.
Yeah, this is a tent city on the American River in Sacramento, California, and the capital of Sacramento.This was actually the day before Gavin Newsom did thatpathetic debate with Ron DeSantis.He leaves California. This was actually two weeks after we had Xi Jinping come to town to San Francisco, and they cleaned up the streets of San Francisco.And right now, they've spent billions of dollars in California.They just last year spent hundreds of millions of dollars to supposedly clean up the streets.And if you go to downtown Sacramento, the streets are clean.But if you go to any of the exterior areas, you go to any of the the peripheral neighbourhoods, the suburbs of Sacramento. This is what it looks like.It is absolute filth. It's hell on earth.It's a cesspool, it's drugs, it's crime. And really it's just, it's human misery.I actually interviewed several of the people down there and they don't wanna be there. You know, some of them do. Some of them are addicts that just don't wanna be held accountable. Some of them are criminals.But it's, you know, a lot of these people simply can't afford to live in California anymore because of the economic policies by the left.We have some of the highest cost of living in the country.I say that as a guy who lives in Arkansas now who has gas for under $2 and 50 cents a gallon. In California, when I left there, it was $6 a gallon.In San Francisco, the median single bedroom apartment is $3,500 a month.So you look at, and Sacramento is not much below that. You look at LA is the same.So you have this disparity between the extremely rich who look up, you know, like Gavin Newsom and lives in his multi-million dollar mansion and says, well, it's not so bad.While he's destroying the energy sector, he's destroying every industry that he doesn't like, he's destroying agriculture in the Central Valley, which is, you know, California produces the majority of some staple food products that the world eats, and in particular, the United States eats.They're destroying that at the altar of climate change and radical environmentalism, and they're destroying lives along the way. So the bottom line is very simple.If you like misery, if you like poverty, if you like homelessness, drug addiction, if you like BLM thugs being able of rob at will and not being penalized by leftist DAs, Soros backed DAs, then keep voting for Democrats.But if you're sick of living that way, then you can't vote for these guys.They're not in it for your best interest. They may say all the right things, but they lie.Gavin Newsom is one of the worst liars I know. He's one of the slickest guys I know, but he's an absolute disgusting liar.And it's time that we fire every single person like that.And we start saying, what's in the best interest for Americans. What's in the best interest for my citizens, if you're in the UK,It should be what's in the best interest for the citizens of the UK and every country should take that model and then take it all the way down to your local level to your local community and say if we come from that perspective. Like I'm not a mean-hearted person.I'm a Christian. I give to my church. I give to the needy, in fact I gave, I interviewed one lady there and I gave to her, and I usually don't, I usually don't give to homeless people because usually you're just feeding an addiction. But I did, and I judge it at one person at a time.But the last thing we need to do is keep pumping money into the federal government that then pumps it out to their friendlies that basically are funded by the continuation of homelessness, or they are funded by the continuation of the invasion on our southern border.We have entire industries now based around the destruction of America that we are paying for, the American citizens are paying for.And if you're sick of it, like I'm sick of it, We have to get these people out of office ultimately. I think we have to prosecute the ones that are traitors to our country and take back this country and stop saying we're gonna compromise, stop apologizing for being right and say, you know, if these ideas are better, we're gonna win in the arena of ideas.We're not going to compromise. We're going to defeat the enemy and again come from the perspective. That's why I support President Trump so much.He came from the perspective of winning not compromising, now I didn't agree with him on everything. I think you know, you look now back at the vaccines and all of that I think we need to you know, there's some some things he needs to change. I think one thing he needs to change is who he puts around himself.But ultimately, President Trump was the best thing for America and really for the world.And I pray that he wins in 2024 and really that ultimately will decide the trajectory of not just America, but the rest of the world.If they steal it again in 2024.I have a hard time seeing how we save not just America, but the rest of the planet as well.
Ben, thanks for coming. Obviously, people can find you popping up regularly on War Room and Real America Voice.And your your show, Law & Border, is it on regular times? Just let us know that before we finish.
Yeah, we basically run it as a special. We have 19 episodes.We're in our third season right now.And so it runs on Saturdays and Sundays when the new episodes are out.But if you want to binge watch, they're always available.All 19 episodes are available at americasvoice.news and then you just click on all shows, go down to Law & Border, and you can watch every single episode.We're working on our 20th episode as we speak.
Brilliant. Well, Ben, thanks so much for your time today. 
Thank you, sir. It's great to be with you.
 

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Ben Harnwell, International Editor of 'Bannon’s War Room' returns to Hearts of Oak to give us his analysis of the past weeks doom and gloom in the news, articles and from social media, and there is plenty to get stuck into including...- Rotherham abuse survivor set to sell rapist’s home in £450K court win.- Denmark passes law to ban Quran burnings.- Zelensky turning Ukraine into authoritarian state just like Russia, says Kyiv mayor.- Ukraine war: Soldier tells BBC of front-line 'hell'- Ireland says it has run out of room for refugees.- ‘President’ Newsom has a Problem: Citizens fleeing his reign of terror cause massive plunge in tax revenues.- Garland’s DoJ offered Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal to avoid triggering an impeachment against Joe Biden.- Top border officials say that the release of migrants into nearby communities is an incentive for others to attempt illegal border crossings.
In the two years between December 2006 and December 2008, Benjamin Harnwell was engaged in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity, consulting widely with various experts around the world. This work was drawn to a conclusion on 8 December 2008, when (with Gay Mitchell MEP) he founded the European Parliament’s Working Group on Human Dignity (of which he remains Honorary Secretary); and on the same date, simultaneously established (with Nirj Deva MEP) the Dignitatis Humanae Institute (of which he is Director).The Working Group was publicly launched on 25 March 2009 by European Parliament Speaker Dr. Hans-Gert Pöttering MEP (now a Patron of the Dignitatis Humanae Institute). The DHI has since been engaged in launching parallel parliamentary working groups on human dignity in various legislatures around the world, all based on the principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity.Ben was the Chief of Staff to Nirj Deva MEP until the end of 2010, since which point he is now based permanently in Rome, directing the development of the DHI. When involved in politics, he was an active member of the British Conservative Party for over 15 years. Benjamin identifies himself philosophically as an Austro-libertarian, co-founding (with Vincent de Roeck) the European Parliament’s Mises Circle, which exists to promote greater recognition of the Austrian School of Economics; he also co-founded the international Right Approach Group (with Patrick Barron), to explore free-market solutions to contemporary problems.In 2002 and 2004, Ben was seconded to Colombo as Special Advisor to Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.H.E. Mons. Sánchez Sorondo, Bishop Chancellor of the Pontifical Academies of Science and Social Sciences, appointed Ben External Counsellor in 2016.Since February 2018 Harnwell, as director of the DHI, is also the director of the Abbey of Trisulti, founded in AD 1204 and National Monument of Italy since 1873.From October 2021 to date Ben serves as international editor at “Steve Bannon’s War Room” on the number 1 ranked US political podcast.
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Originally broadcast live  9.12.23
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James Lindsay - SHAME: The Inner School of the Cult

James Lindsay was first with us a few months ago after his great speech on Woke in the European Parliament.He returns to Hearts of Oak to unpack a recent thread of his on X, titled 'How totalitarian cults control people through shame'. We often find that presenting information and facts often fails to sway those trapped in totalitarian ideologies (like Woke, Covid or gender queer). People do not like to admit they were wrong and certainly do not like others knowing they believed shameful things. The battle we face regards social identity, not error. Belonging and not belief. Before it is possible to get people out of such a cult mentality, they must realise they have permission to believe against cult doctrine. Join us as James breaks all of this down in his own imitable and profound style. 
Discussion based on https://x.com/ConceptualJames/status/1731784407688544285?s=20
James Lindsay is a professional troublemaker, mathematician, author, internationally recognized speaker and the founder and president of New Discourses.James is a leading expert on Critical Race Theory and is best known for his relentless criticism of "Woke" ideology, the now-famous Grievance Studies Affair, and his bestselling books including Race Marxism and Cynical Theories, which has been translated into over a dozen languages.In addition to writing and speaking, he is the voice of the New Discourses Podcast and has been a guest on prominent media outlets including The Joe Rogan Experience, Glenn Beck, Fox News, and NPR.
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Tommy Robinson - The Enemy of the State Rises Again

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Tommy Robinson's first autobiography was called Enemy of the State. And everything the legal system, police or media does just seems to reinforce that sentiment. The latest example of two tier policing was just days ago when Tommy was arrested while eating breakfast in a café in London. He returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss why the police issued a section 35 order and detained him. Why was he prevented as a journalist from reporting on a pro Hamas demo? And why do the media hate him so badly?So much to discuss and only Tommy himself can shed light on all these questions.
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Interview recorded 4.12.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Tommy Robinson, enemy of the state, he who cannot be named. It's so good to have you with us. Thanks so much for your time today.
(Tommy Robinson)
I can be named now. I'm being named everywhere.It is crazy. But let's look, there's so much to get into, your arrest for,I don't know whether you were just arrested for a bad breakfast, but anyway, first person arrested for having breakfast. 
It was bad.
We'll get into that social media reach. But actually people can find you obviously @TRobinsonNewEra.The problem is they won't be able to find that. They will if they put the address in.Because I'm still shadow banned on Twitter and profile banned.So if you just go and search Tommy Robinson you can't find me.Which is good that 120,000 extra people have found me in the last three weeks considering you cannot search for me on Twitter.Which I'm frustrated about. If it's a home of citizen journalism, give me back my account, why limit who can see me?Maybe it's already on from before when I was de-platformed before and maybe they had the search ban on there previously.Maybe they haven't realized that, I hope so. I hope that my reach, I'm given the ability to reach the masses.That's what it should be. So there shouldn't be limits on who can find me, which is currently there are.So, but yeah, @TRobinsonNewEra. That's where I'm at. 
I sometimes think, crap, what's Tommy on? I'm on my phone and don't have it saved or whatever.Oh, no, of course I can't find it. Let me check his feeds. And at least you're there, certainly in our feeds.The one other thing is trsilenced.com for your books.Maybe mention that before we get on because...I'm on a grift. It's Christmas. I don't care. As I said, I've got three kids and they've got big lists and you can, this is enemy of the state.If you watch what happened recently in my arrest in London, you watched that little clip and you saw I done nothing.Yeah. If you go on my Wikipedia and read my criminal convictions, literally it's a list of the things you just witnessed and I get put before a judge, not a jury.I've never had a jury ever. I won't have a jury this time.I will not have a jury for an upcoming trial where I face two years.It's insane. This details my life story. You get to understand the person I am, not the person they say I am.I bought this out in 2015. I then wrote another book, was to talk about big tech censorship, government interference, the interference in government and influence they put on private businesses in order to silence you, control you.But when they control me, they're controlling what you hear.This talks about that. This was banned.Ironically called silenced. I put it on Amazon.This went to number one, three times, four times on Amazon.This was up to number three in the first five days, it was going to number one, and then they cancelled it totally.So the only place you can get these you can get this now is trsilenced.com.You can buy you can get personalised copies, signed copies.But this was banned, when you think about it like Mein Kampf Hitler's book is not banned on Amazon.You can write about Hitler on Facebook On both of those platforms, if you mention my name, or if I try and bring out a book detailing my story, they're both banned.They want to control and tell the public who I am. They don't want them hearing from me.It's quite a worrying level of censorship and control that we see.But yeah, you can get those books if you want to know any more about my life and the reality behind the headlines, the truth behind the headlines, and I'm actually just putting pen to paper on another.Because I want to get more side of course. 
Well, that is the two books there.Make sure and go to the website, click on the shop tab and you can order them.And by doing that, it's a way of supporting Tommy.And actually I know people who bought two, three of them had one for themselves and passed on to friends and family.So it's a perfect opportunity. Why not?I know many of our friends who won't talk to us about any of this, they'll be desperate for a Tommy Robinson book.So why not make their Christmas, give it to them, but challenge them because Tommy, all this is word of mouth, isn't it?If a friend recommends something, then that person is more likely to have a go and have a look. And I think that's the best way of recommending.
Do you know how many emails I'm receiving daily? Do you know how many notes I'm getting with the orders of these books?Do you know how many people have just turned, just realizing, now they're searching, they're shocked what they're finding.I've gotten so many apologies from people who hated me, people who said they, judged me on what the media were telling them and they can't believe how fooled they've been.What that then does is make people question everything, which is what Covid helped with this.People saw the lies, they saw the pushing of the vaccine, they saw them not telling the truth, they saw all these different things and then it's made them question a lot more.And then when they see little snippets like you saw the other day of my arrest, it opens their eyes.So really it's enlightening for people, it's good for our cause.We want people to question everything, we want them to see that they're being fooled by the media, and lied to by the media.The media are not there to give them the news, they're there to tell them how to think, what to think, and who to think that about. So yeah. Yeah.And I certainly, whenever I've been with you, going around anywhere in a town, the support you get is 95, 98% positive.I just remember on a train in London, this is probably four years ago, sitting on a train and I had messaged you something and you were there, Tommy Robinson, on my phone, probably stupid but hey.And suddenly the guy beside, packed in, the guy beside me said, hey mate, was that the Tommy Robinson you just messaged?And I said, yeah, and he goes, the actual Tommy Robinson.I said, okay, how's this got to go? Yeah, and he goes, no way.And then he shouts over to his mate, who's like six seats along.This guy knows Tommy Robinson. He goes, no way, holy shit. How do you know Tommy?And tell us about, suddenly I'm thinking, oh no, how's this going to go?But it's the norm. It's when you mention your name, the reception by and large hugely is positive. But that's the opposite of what the media try and portray.
I will do one day. I'm just going to get someone to stand back and film me as I walk through places because I obviously am aware of the perception of the reception I receive.So that gives me, does inspire me.It makes me aware that they're not winning.So I get most of the time a hero's reception when I go places. And I understand.Yeah, so that they they have wished to portray this image of we're part of a fringe movement, we're not, we're mainstream.People are thinking what we're thinking, they feel the way we feel, they're seeing what we see.So they want us to be some little fringe movement and they want to portray that I'm the most hated man in Britain, total opposite.So yeah, and I know that, and luckily for me, my children have been able to see that everywhere I go.And it's not, and do you know what, their attempt to portray us as racist, I was walking through the airport yesterday, majority of people come up who shake my hand, ask some photos, weren't white.So it's like, yeah, they're not winning. They haven't won.Their lies have been seen. 
I know.Okay, the arrest. So you went to report as a journalist, which is what you've been doing for years, reporting on news, bringing information to the public on grooming gangs, and of course, people can watch the Rape of Britain episodes.This was something different. This was going to report on the Palestinian pro-Hamas, demonstration and you go for a breakfast and then everything kicks off.What exactly happened and then we'll maybe touch on what exactly the powers the police currently have in the UK?
Do you know what I find it frustrating. I see so many people who for once have actually defended me or defended what happened.News presenters, television presenters, radio hosts, but they still want to put this doubt over the fact I'm a journalist.I have produced in the last 24 months six feature-length films and investigative pieces. It's more than any other journalist or any other documentary has made.I go to events. I put one up yesterday.I went to Poland to cover their Independence Day. Why did I go there?Because the BBC News told you it was 60,000 Nazis marching.So I went there to give a fair appraisal of what was happening on the ground.I put another one up last night when I went to the Football Lads Alliance march.I went there because the BBC decided, because there was no trouble, not to even cover it.And anyone else labelled them as far right. So I went to see who was there.Lo and behold, lots of non-white people, people weren't far right, political persuasions from all different.I go there to give the public, which the public trusts me to do, a fair appraisal and I ask questions that I think should be asked as a journalist, which unfortunately mainstream journalists do not ask.And when I go to these events, I also question the journalists.That's why I went to this anti-Semitism march to do.I have done countless demonstrations like this.I've done pro-EU demonstrations where I've gone and questioned people about the European union, the money, the influence, who's in control of it.I've done this, it's what I do, yeah, it's my full-time job as a journalist and I went there this day, I would have gone and supported because I'm on that side, yeah, but I was there in the capacity as a journalist.When I see people casting doubt over this, I just think you're casting doubt, you're not even a journalist, you don't investigate anything, you just repeat what you're told to repeat and then you've got the audacity, like I had some Sky News presenter when I was at the Anti-Semitist one, questioning me.I think you've just bought Hamas's propaganda. I've watched you.I've watched your news channel. I've actually exposed your news channel, Jason Farrell, through covert recordings.I've exposed that you manipulate the public, you fool them and lie to them and deceive them, where you put voiceovers that weren't to a certain question.You actually change the entire narrative of what was said and fool people.So I went there to give a report.When I arrived, I sat down in a cafe to get breakfast.I was then approached by the police, who told me that my presence could cause alarm and distress.To whom? And then they stood and watched outside waiting.And all they would have seen was me have a great reception from people.Photos, smiley, happy, all normal people, not far right like the usual accusations by them.But they then, when I went to leave the cafe to start my reporting to question people, and I sat and done it in the cafe, I asked people why they're here, why is it important for them to be here, what's your views of the police's response?Because when they're talking about alarm and distress, my presence causing alarm and distress.We have 40,000 Muslims on a terror watch list, yeah?We have Hizbut tahrir, prescribed terrorist organisations in most countries, holding rallies.The day before I was in London, holding a rally, calling for Muslim armies, Muslim armies, they're meant to be on a ceasefire protest but they're calling for Muslim armies, all these different things.We've got people calling from the river to the sea, we've got people calling for the destruction of the only Jewish state, we've got them calling to gas the Jews, we've got all, we're witnessing this, we're seeing mosque after mosque after mosque, preacher after preacher after preacher, spouting the most hatred we've seen and the public have seen.No one's facing arrest, no one's facing prosecution, none of their freedoms are limited, they're not being kicked out of their capital cities.So the exposé of a two-tier policing system, Sadiq Khan's Met Police Force, coming down on me, who was totally law-abiding that day, I was at work.In fact, section 35 of their own legislation says that if someone's at work, paid to be somewhere, they cannot give them a dispersal order.But this comes into the argument where they do not want to recognise I'm a journalist.And that's because they wish to control what journalists they have.The mainstream media never give the true effect. None of their reporting is factual.They do not ask the questions that need to be asked. Whether it be grooming, whether it be the Hamas conflict, none of them go where needs to go, where you need to go and the questions that need to be asked.So they wish to control it.As anyone would have seen, I was calm. I left the cafe. I didn't get a chance to leave. I was surrounded by 30 police officers.I was manhandled, they dragged me the wrong way, realised they dragged me the wrong way, pulled me back the other way.I was trying to explain to them, if you're gonna kick me out of here, he's got my car keys.I need my car keys, my mate, that you've just dragged me away from.So if you just think you're dumping me down the road and saying, leave, I can't. My car's here.So I was trying to explain this and then boom, then they started manhandling me more.They pulled me down, they put my hands behind my back, handcuffed me.During this process, he pulled my head back and CS sprayed me from point blank range.Insane when you watch this. If this had happened to a non-white citizen, in fact, If this has happened in China, Russia or any of these countries, every politician in our country would be up in arms.They'd be screaming about it. They'd be talking about free speech, about the importance of freedom of the press.And I haven't seen one single politician mention the fact that I was manhandled, violently attacked by the police and had my rights and my freedoms taken from me.And right now they're taken from me still, Peter. I'm supposed to be in London in two days.I was supposed to be in London on Thursday to interview the Jordanian opposition leader I was supposed to be interviewing.I was supposed to be doing a sit-down with a Dubai News Channel.My job is now affected, my activism, if I want to do activism is affected. I'm currently banned from going within the m25 or I'm taking straight to prison.I'm not allowed to associate, protest, be involved in a protest.Like, they're my rights. I didn't do anything.It's like you may want to take my rights but I'm not going to surrender it to you. That's why on that day it's like leave. Why would I leave?I haven't done anything.I'm not just going to let you take my freedoms like without...
Well, the whole thing of journalism because there, up to now, thank God, we haven't had an official list like you may get in some countries where the government approve some and don't approve other.It is if you're producing content, if you're interviewing, if you're putting news out, then you are a journalist.There is no, you don't have to have a NUJ card to define you as a journalist.I don't think our politicians or police know that.
Police think you do. It's like, no.I've actually gone through court cases where I've got the transcripts and the judges recognize me as a journalist.I'm recognized as a journalist. It's my full-time job.You don't get to choose who's a journalist, thankfully, yeah, because we know what you do when you control the media.When citizen journalists started rising and challenging your narrative, you then try to control it through big tech.The government's put pressure on private businesses to influence.We've seen it on the Twitter files. You've seen it time and time again.We saw with Russell Brand recently.Exactly what's happening there has happened to all citizen journalists.It's why X, Twitter, is so important, as Elon Musk said, citizen journalism is the future, yeah?No one can sway what I say, or the narrative, or the news I give, no one can do that.So I don't have no big sponsorships or advertisers that can tell me what I can and can't say.So I will go and ask raw questions and give raw detail and raw footage, and challenge them, and challenge what they're saying.And they don't like that. It's not just that they don't like that, I believe there was a total other plan to this.I believe that if you look at, I organised for people to come and defend Armistice Day to make sure that our two-minute silence was not disrupted by Hamas jihadi supporters.Thousands upon thousands of men attended.Within 48 hours of being given back my social media and my voice, I received a letter from the Attorney General warning me that they're looking at prosecuting me for contempt of court because I created a film called Silenced.They gave me an injunction preventing you, the public, from seeing what's in that film. That film is a total expose with covert recordings.It shows that they are corrupt. They spent money to control the truth.They silenced people. The lengths they go to, to make sure they are in control of that narrative, is insane. All documented in the film.They really don't want the world watching that film, so they then give me an injunction saying I get two years in jail if anyone watches the film.The film was leaked seven months ago, but for seven months I heard nothing.I'm giving back my voice on social media. 48 hours later, I'm threatened by the Attorney General.I told the Attorney General politely with my legal team to fuck off.Again, you are not... 
In good Elon Musk style.
You are not taking my freedom of speech. I'm not surrendering to you.I will not give it up to you. You may wish to take it. Well, to take it, you're going to have to put me in jail.I'm not just going to accept that you are limiting my freedom of speech, limiting my freedom of assembly when I've done nothing wrong.If I get before a judge on contempt of court, tell me what's in the film that's incorrect.There's nothing in that's incorrect. It's a school record. It's covert recordings of seven teachers saying that they were paid.You paid them. Who paid them? The leader of the Muslim, the leader of the local Kirklees council who's now resigned for fraud, whose brother is the Islamic radical imam who made sure the Batley school teacher is still in hiding.He's the one who has organized all the protests. Our councils have been infiltrated, our governments have been infiltrated, every institution in our country been infiltrated.I made a documentary that proved it and guess what? The judiciary's infiltrated and all and it all proves it.So as I said within 48 hours I received that letter.I now face two years in jail for that film.It's not a film I put out, it was leaked, I didn't put it out, so I will fight it in court and when I fight it in court they're just going to bring more attention to the film.Like hopefully and especially when people see what just happened last weekend, people are going to realise, shit, they're going for him, this is an establishment attack, they're attempting everything they can and this isn't just, I keep saying it, this is far bigger than Tommy Robinson, you don't have to like me, you don't have to like my history, you don't like my past, you don't have to like what I've said, what I've done, to realise that we should not live in a society where government overreach, police are used, the police are used to attack people and they're not, and then they're used to enforce their laws and actually corrupt their laws and abuse their laws on certain people with certain ideas and then totally stand by with their hands tied behind their back with jihadists and extremists.People have seen it, we just saw the arrest of the Muslim who was kicking off up in Manchester and then the police let him go. They de-arrested him because they faced a mob.So who controls the streets? The mob. The mob. What they're sending out a message is, get violent. Be violent and you'll get what you want.And of course that's going to embolden these Hamas supporters on our streets.But it's also outraging the entire British public who are watching this.And it's something I've spoke about for 15 years I've spoke about from, in fact, if you dig up the article I wrote in 2004 which I used in my Oxford Union speech. I spoke then in my local newspaper about the two-tier policing.Iron fists for us, kid gloves for them. Yeah same with funding.It's funding for their community through the roof. We're ignored, white working class, we're totally ignored by our government and our politicians and our councils but that's something like I think a lot of people have watched what's happened, they don't agree with it. I'm actually going to be in court, Peter.I'm just waiting for a message now. I think I may be in court this Wednesday, if not Monday.So I will be in court to challenge the legalities of my bail conditions.Because if you watched it, I've done nothing wrong. Why am I banned from my capital city?Why are these jihadists not banned from their capital city?Why did you abuse the law to arrest me for doing nothing wrong, yet you pat them on their back when they climb up and desecrate our monuments.Why? It's so blatant what you're doing. It's so blatant to every member of the British public.I don't know if you watched the recent interview I've done with a gentleman up in Leicester, a 70-year-old gentleman, who was also issued a section 35.He was also dragged through his town centre and arrested.So what people need to realise is, if they can do this to me, you may think it's funny that they're doing it to me if you don't like it, but if they can do it to me, they can do it to you.And they're using this to abuse their powers up and down this country against one community.Not against everyone. One community gets off scot-free, the Islamic community.The jihadists, the far-left extremists, if this hasn't been a wake-up call, the unholy alliance of the far-left and the far-right and the Islamists all joining together on this one issue of hating Jews. That's what we're witnessing. So... 
Well, look, that's been a... I will pick up on those who have supported you, pick up on your social media reach, but it is that... it's very weird.I'm scratching my head trying to work out this hatred of Israel, calling everyone Zionist shills is the term.I try to scratch my head because my support for Israel is biblical.As a Christian, it goes back to Jerusalem being 3000 years of the capital of Israel.So for me, it's on that history. And then you've got individuals who say, no, these Palestinians, whoever, whatever Palestinians are, and the hatred against the Jews.I've been really surprised at the veracity, the aggression against Israel.I never expected that to happen. 
It's not against Israel.Israel's an excuse. It's against Jews. And essentially, you are looking, what you're witnessing with the far right alignment of them, Iran has as much money given to them by America mainly.But Iran, all of these countries are now influencing, They're influencing social media influencers, are receiving funds and money to promote the Quran, to promote Islam, to convert to Islam, all across the globe.You're seeing TikTokers now pushing it and spreading it. There is a bottomless pit of money coming out of that Middle East and they all make the accusations against us.If you don't hate Jews, you're Zionist, you're Mossad, you're funded by the Jews, etc.There is the total opposite. We're witnessing an Iranian proxy army online and on the streets, funded en masse, yeah? Funded en masse.So, and when they go on about, it's like we talk about Jew hatred or we talk about Israel. As I said, I've said this multiple times recently, people need to understand.Mein Kampf's book, Mein Kampf, Hitler's book, has 7% Jew hatred in it. The Quran has 9%, the Hadith have 12%. If a political organisation set up today, and as part of its manifesto, 9% of it was hatred of Jews.Would it be outlawed? Would it be banned? Yes, it would. Why are we giving a special protection to the ideology, not religion, the ideology of Islam, that promotes violence, that promotes hatred, that promotes intolerance, it promotes Jew hatred, it promotes sexual enslavement of non-Muslims.Why is it given a protection that we're not even allowed to talk about it?You're not even allowed to question it. You're not allowed to criticize it.You've thrown out accusations of hate speech.The only real hate speech is coming out of the mosques and they're getting away with it. You're not using the laws you've created.If anyone hasn't seen now, the hate speech laws are not there to stop hate speech.They're there to stop you criticizing what they're pushing.And Islam is being pushed on all of us.And it's like Mein Kampf is banned?The Quran is pushed and celebrated and the influence and the social media influences that everyone can now see all over the world who are pushing this agenda, in America, across the globe.They're pushing this agenda, they're the ones receiving their funds, they're the ones getting paid for it.I've always stood and said openly, look it's not difficult.Hamas are ISIS. Hamas have already come out and said, first the Jews then the Christians.Their statement, not mine.Listen to what they're saying, they're not talking about, they talk about the kuffar, they talk about the infidels, it's all of us.If you do not think, and I keep saying even to these far-right morons.Say listen, if they've murdered 1500 Jews and they've slaughtered, they've raped, look how emboldened they've become in every Western nation.They're not bothered. This has given them, we will see more jihad.We've just seen an arrest yesterday for a planned attack in Las Vegas, We've seen a French attack.The man who'd done the France attack had already been arrested previously for planning another attack.Yeah, planning. What's he even doing on the street?These people are at war with us. Intern them. Get them off the street.You know they're a risk. Get rid of them.3,000 Muslims are monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week because we know they're planning to attack us. Get rid.If they've got dual nationality passports, fuck them off.They've got to go. The time for sitting anymore is gone. How many more of our people do you want to see killed?Now if Israel was conquered by these jihadists, they've tried it many times before, they made it clear in the seven-day war all the leaders of the surrounding Islamic nations come out and said we're gonna take your women, we're taking them as slaves.Everything is Quranic, everything is scripturally inspired.Stop pretending it's about Israel. And if they've done that, if say for example to these brain-dead morons who keep talking about freeing Palestine and attacking Israel.Do you think if the jihadists conquered Israel and they wipe out and then they're in control of Jerusalem and every Christian holy site, do you think you're going to have the right to go there to all the Christians?What do you think it's going to look like as a nation? What's it going to look like in the Islamic State? And do you think they stop there?Do you not understand jihad? Do you not understand their mindset of Islamic supremacy to rule and dominate the world. Not to rule and dominate Israel.Israel is the first step and it's coming for the rest of us.You don't see them coming through Europe. You don't see what's going to happen.It's just, it's pretty infuriating when you see the alignment of all these people joining together and it has become vocal and it has become loud and that's because they are, I'd say many of them paid, but they are also, they also have their staunch beliefs so they're very loud, isn't it?But if you go out day to day and get out of the bubbles of online, you realise the vast majority of the British public stand on the side of Israel.Maybe not the youngsters, which is why, so you see the American election now, I've been watching what's happening in America, this American election 2024 is the most important in their country's history.You see, if the Republicans do not win this, and the 4 million that have come through the borders now becomes 8 million, 12 million, of dependents who will vote for Democrats.There will never be a Republican government again.And not just there will never be a Republican government again.If you look at the mindset of the elders and the youngers in the United States and in Great Britain, our education systems have been totally infiltrated.They are winning that war.So the 16 to 24 year olds hate Israel.The extremism, look at teachers having to hide because they went to a pro-Israel rally and hundreds of students getting violent.In universities across the United States, you have one chance now, it's 2024, You need to elect a leader who's going to challenge it, stop it, stop the funding to these universities, schools, colleges, stop the sexualisation of the kids, stop the transgender movement and the push for it, stop the Islamisation, stop the anti-Jew hatred.You've got one chance. It's this year. Because after this year, America, I'm surprised how fast it's accelerated.We've been warning about it. I've been trying to warn America and giving speeches back to America since 2009, simply saying, listen, I know, I've had it, I've seen my town change.One mosque in 1982 to 45 now, you're in trouble.And we're seeing now the influence like, you're seeing all the politicians who are resigning from the Labour Party, they're on their stance on the Israel-Palestinian conflict. They're the ones that have large support, they're voters are Muslim, so they're changing their stances based on their base, yeah?Well that Muslim population, the majority of them want homosexuality outlawed.At which point in the future do you not think these politicians are going to be pushing that?The majority of them, 50 percent, said they would not report on a, 50 percent of British Muslims, not report on someone if they knew they were fighting for ISIS.50 percent, 75 percent wouldn't report on someone getting involved in extremism.We've got a massive problem here, a huge problem.Four times as many British Muslims joined ISIS, went to fight for ISIS, never joined the British military.So we have their alignment will be with Islam first, Islam second, Islam third.Not democracy, not our rule of law, not their political parties, Islam.You have to understand Islam. People need to get their heads out of their arse, start researching who Muhammad was, start really understanding what the agenda of Islam will be.What do you think, and I'm going to do this, I'm working on something now, yeah.You go to cities, go to Manchester, look at the Christmas market.It's fortified. It has bollards this big. We'll call them diversity barriers, yeah.It's fortified. You've got armed police with machine guns.Do you know the promotion for the Manchester Christmas market is where you can buy your halal meat at the Christmas market. Your halal meat.Where do you buy your bacon sandwich? At the Eid celebrations.We're totally changing everything. Now you look at Manchester, then look, they've just banned the one in, they've cancelled the most historic Christmas market in the UK has now been cancelled.The Jewish festivals are getting cancelled.Go to Paris, Christmas market was cancelled. Go and look in Germany, we've just had more arrests this week of men who were planning another terrorist attack on a Christmas market.We had the previous Christmas attack. I'm going to Germany in two weeks to show people what their Christmas markets now look like.5% Muslim population, yeah. I'm going to also go to Eastern Europe to show you how beautiful their Christmas markets are, how free and safe they are.What's the difference? It's the Islamic community. Now 5%, what do you think it looks like when you've got 20%?Do you think your children are going to enjoy the same freedoms you've enjoyed?Do you think your Christmas celebrations are going to continue to be the same?No, they're not. More are going to get massacred, more are going to get killed.It's going to become dangerous. say this out loud, it's now dangerous to go to a Christmas market in Great Britain.What do you want for your kids? What point do you say enough's enough?What point do we look and say hold on a minute, we're losing our freedoms, we're losing our culture, we're losing our identity, while you throw diversity down our throat and we're not going to tolerate it anymore.I want my kids to go to a free and safe Christmas market but we don't have them anymore, yeah, but that's at five percent.The increasing demographic of the Islamic community is going to continue to rise yeah because we're allowing it to.We give benefits, stop benefits for more than two, my local imam's got three wives and 14 kids. End it!Stop it! We're paying for it. They've got three houses.Just that one Muslim man has three separate houses with 14 children in it that we pay for.Okay, we are paying for our own demise.We are funding our own takeover. So at some point, and again I'll stress, yes there's some lovely Muslims, but I want freedom for my children, okay, and those lovely Muslims ain't stopping anything.Yeah, they're not stopping it. We need to stop it.Our governments need to stop it. We need to elect leaders like Geert Wilders, Hopefully Le Pen wins, I hope Filip Dewinter, I hope we see the rise of these leaders.I know that overton window is going to shift, what is acceptable to say now, certainly after Geert Wilders' election, after he stormed the election.The mood of Europe has changed, the people are awakening and unfortunately we still have total cowards in our parliament.I can't see one political party in the UK, currently the main ones anyway, that will address these issues or talk about.I've seen many people even on our so-called GB News saying, well, Geert Wilders can't agree with all of his policies. Really? Which one?Because he's putting his people first. He's defending his country first.And that's his job. That's why he's elected to do so now, yeah, is to protect Dutch people.End the immigration now. Stop endangering us now.Stop adding to the problem. When you solve the problem, maybe look at it, but at the minute it needs to stop.
But we're seeing that political hoop across Europe, AFD, they're panicking with their rise and of course Freedom Party in Austria.But I want to ask you about support. I've been pleasantly surprised with some of the voices who've come out to support you and I don't know on the journalism side, I don't know whether, not on the political side, of course not, but on the journalism side, and I don't know whether some journalists are thinking, well, if they come for Tommy because he's simply reporting on an event, they'll come for me.I don't know if it's about themselves, but maybe talk about some of the,when this goes out tonight, you'll have been on TNT with James Freeman.I saw you with Mahyar Tousi. Tell us about some of those positive sides because journalists are wakening up and therefore the message gets out further.
I'll say certain ones of them are legit, Mahyar Tousi's legit.I've watched him for not just recent but before it was acceptable to speak out, he was speaking out.Some of them now I think are turning because they realize it's acceptable to turn. It's like, they realise that the public mood's there. You just have to read the comments on any article that's negative about me. Read the comments.Any journalist that comes out and slates me and says anything negative about me, just read the comments.They realise the public are not on that side, yeah? The public are awake and they're just jumping, like many of them do, like politicians do, when it becomes mainstream.All the people who have said Tommy Robinson's toxic, don't want to stand near him, can't speak about him, they'll all then be wanting to.And I find it frustrating at times, as I see people and I think, mate, since 2009 we've been banging this drum.If you'd have listened back then and you wouldn't have gone with the far-rightracist label, which is total lies, totally unfounded, zero evidence of, in fact all the evidence that any research has done shows the total opposite. We're a moderate voice.You will end up getting real extreme voices if you continue to suppress the public.But I just think I've been encouraged as well that people are, I've been encouraged that mainstream platforms are having these discussions.And unfortunately a lot of people have had to sacrifice a lot of things.I'm not just talking about myself.There's lots of people who are tempted to have these conversations, who would have lost their jobs, who would have been frowned upon, who have been labelled by their families, by their friends, by their community, by politicians, anything.We're seeing it in Ireland now. Ireland's going through the same faze.Anyone who says anything racist, far-right, extremist, that will break.That dam is breaking. It's going to break and people will not care.Influential figures like Conor McGregor help that. The more influential figures that have these discussions, I just watched the Trigonometry podcast recently with a grooming victim and the fact that she's sitting explaining to them that it is religious, it is racial, yeah, it's unthinkable that a mainstream podcast would have been too scared to have that discussion.A truthful, honest discussion on where the hate comes from, which is what we need to do.We need to understand where the hate's come from. Stop, oh it's from, it's because of the Israeli conflict. No, it's not, right.What, take Israel out of the equation, you don't think there's no hate here?What about all the rapes of the entire generation of our daughters?Where do you think that comes from?We're not even allowed to examine it. You're just called an Islamophobe or an ist or an ism, whatever word they use at the minute to beat you down.No, I want to stop the rapes. I want to stop the Islamisation of my nation.I don't want to just stop it, I want to de-Islamise it, because there's so many people here who shouldn't be here.They're guests here. Many of these people, the man who beheaded Samuel Paty, the schoolteacher, who the pupils actually set him up, children set him up to be beheaded.The man who beheaded him was not, he had come to France, he's a guest in France.These are radical jihadists.Get rid of them, right? Send them back. We don't want them here.At that point of just worrying about offending people has gone.The whole European Court of human rights. They're jihadists.We're at war, they want to kill us. Get rid.We're fed up of watching as children or families are blown to pieces and forever have to pick up the pieces for someone who shouldn't even be here.We just need leaders to come out and be strong. I think that Douglas Murray has been incredibly strong on this issue and helping to make people aware.And it's so important that people who have platforms just start speaking the truth.It's not hatred to say you do not want jihadists walking the streets with us.It's not hatred to point out that you have no idea who's coming in.They just admitted they've lost 17,000.In that 17,000 migrants, how many of them have a jihadist mindset?In fact, all you have to do is go through Pew Research of the countries they've come to, to understand that they shouldn't be here anyway.Their values and their mindset and their beliefs don't fit with Western values.Sharia law of the European Court of Human Rights already rules Sharia law, this is coming back to 2007, is incompatible with Western democracy and freedom.So anybody wants Sharia law, see you later, you've got to go, you're not welcome here.And to say that is not extreme, it's not hatred, it's now current, it's needed.We have to have brave, fearless voices in this debate and argument and sensible as well.It's sensible to say we do not want an alien ideology here that wishes to enslave our people, that wishes to overthrow our democracy and replace it and that voice will only get louder as the demographic changes.Tell us, just to finish off with you on, obviously, when actually did you find out you were back on Twitter?
I was in Spain, sitting in a restaurant, and I was just... I saw...It pop up, @TRobinsonNewEra. I was like, what the fuck?And I was like, and so I had to check. And I was like, that's my account.It had 300,000 followers, it had 305,000, but my account had 475. So I was a bit confused.That shows they must've deleted another 170,000 people.They deleted our whole movement. They deleted, the same with Facebook.When Facebook, when Facebook deleted me, I had 1.2 million followers.But what they'd done is, anyone who had shared my stuff positively was also then deleted.So what they'd done was they cleared Facebook of our entire movement.They got rid of the entire movement of truth-tellers, people who were opposed to the Islamisation and open border immigration. They got rid of all of them.And that wasn't, so they made me a person of hate in 2019 or whatever, yeah?They went back to people who had posted three years prior, before I was a person of hate, and started deleting all their accounts.But yeah, I realised and then I looked and then do you know what?I don't remember any passwords.Anyone who knows me knows this, yeah? every time I get locked out of my phone, or every time I get a phone taken off my by the police, I can never get back into my iCloud. I have to start a new iCloud.So what happened, I sat there and I thought, well, that's my account.I don't know the password to the email address. I don't know the password to the account. So I'm looking at it. I want to be straight on there.It was a frustrating 48 hours. I'm thinking, I want a tweet.I'm back. He's giving back my account. but I couldn't so it was a yeah it's frustrating and then, and then thank you to Ian in the United States who managed to get my email address changed for me so then I received an email and then I was thinking is it true, is it real, are they gonna do this and then I received an email from them saying here's access to your account.Then I danced around my room, screamed a lot, shouted a lot, and thought, here we go, we're back, let's awaken the British public.I had to watch as all the hard work we'd done to educate people from 2009, 2015, 2017, was being undone through a highly funded propaganda piece to make Islam fashionable.It was then becoming fashionable. It's like, what?Influencers were all converting, probably under the influence of mass amounts of money, mass amounts of money.I think that what Qatar, what Saudi Arabia, what Dubai realise, do you know if you look at the figures, I've gone through this, of how much they spent to influence Islam in Europe.Look at Qatar and France. Qatar literally funds the entire Islamic community in France to build mosques, to build madrasas.Their goal, like Luton town centre, my hometown, has a shop called Discover Islam. It's funded hugely.It has a shop. Their job, and I'll quote the man who opened it, who when he opened it, my local Luton council opened it with him, his job was to bring Islam into every home in Luton.These are conversion centres funded massively. And that's where the influence used to be, getting them out on the street and converting them.Then they realised the influence is with this.It's with social media influencers. If they can get certain individuals, Andrew Tate, lots of others, Sneako, all over people are converting, boxers are doing it.I'd ask how much are these people receiving? Because what they now realise is, if we can get in, he's got the next generation of youth.If we get him to start putting out Quranic verses, how cool Islam is, telling people that Islam is the only solution to these problems, then they are converting more than they could ever dream of for a fraction of the money, because they spend billions building mosques, building madrassas, pushing it and their goal, all of them, is to influence with Islam on our country, on our people, on your children.So now I'm back.I feel that I can enlighten the public to the true nature of Islam and the dangers of it and that again is not like, look, not every Muslim, but I think most Muslims are naïve to the agenda of Islam.Most Muslims who you say are beautiful people, who I know are beautiful people, do not follow the Quran to the literal interpretation.They're not following it word to word. They pick the good bits and ignore the bad bits.I'm sorry, with the growing influence of Islam on Europe, you cannot ignore the bad news.We cannot continue to have our borders open with all this hatred that spewed against us, with these people who are being brought up from the age of four or five, indoctrinated to believe this is the word of God, to believe Mohammed who beheaded 600 in one day, who raped children, who murdered, who tortured, to believe he was perfect.Far from it. We need a big discussion on it and now's the time.
It was great to see you back and when you and Katie were put back on the same day. 
I messaged Katie and she didn't know.I said, your account's back, our account's back. She was like, what? She didn't know, she looked the fuck out.But she didn't know, yeah, I messaged her. And then she put a tweet out and I was thinking, I can't even put a tweet out.It was so good. And of course, the other two that were persona non grata are Bannon and Alex Jones in the States. And I'm intrigued why they...
Gavin McInnes got his back recently.Gavin McGuinness got his back. 
Okay, yes, I saw Gavin get his yes, yes.
I have hope. And everyone who hasn't broke the law, these are Elon Musk's words.If you haven't committed a crime, if you haven't used your platform to commit a crime, I've never been arrested for anything, hate crime, racial, I've never even been arrested for any of it.Everything I put out is factual and backed up by scripture or evidence.And unfortunately, we went through five or six years where the truth and facts were deemed as hate speech.Elon Musk has given us back our ability to have discussions, free and open discussions, which is the way, which is what's needed, even with Muslims and with their imams and with their leaders.Let's talk, let's debate and let the public make their own mind up.They're going to be on our side.
100%. Let me just leave people with the books again.Trsilenced.com, trsilenced.com.Get a hold of them by buying the books you support, Tommy, and if you've had them before, or get another copy and pass it on to a friend, wrap it up as a Christmas gift.Tommy, thanks so much for coming on. Always good to have you and thanks for coming.
If I'm successful in having my conditions removed, I'll see you on the 12th.
Sounds good, I will see you then. Thanks so much, Tommy. 
See you later, bruv.

The Week According To . . . Tim Young

We are delighted to be joined by our funny friend from Texas, Tim Young !The snowflakes will be running for cover as Tim talks us through the headlines and happenings from the past seven days.We will be expanding on some of the posts Tim has made on his mega X account and articles from across the web including...- Chicago's migrant crisis deepens as temperatures plummet. - U.S. taxpayers are on the hook for as much as $451 Billion per year in housing and care for illegal immigrants. - Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics.- Now that the House GOP expelled George Santos... - No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss who warns they may have even had opposite effect.- Attorney General Ken Paxton suing Pfizer for misrepresenting Covid-19 vaccine efficacy and conspiring to censor public discourse.- Republican Senators ask Biden admin to "immediately restrict travel" between the U.S. and China over "mysterious illness."- Four women cops unable to subdue one male offender in Chicago.- Sandy Hook families offer to settle with Alex Jones.
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Sam Faddis - Terror Threats inside the US

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Retired CIA officer Sam Faddis is a regular security expert on War Room and he joins Hearts of Oak to look at the terror threat within the US. His Substack goes in depth on the many hazards that we face externally and we pick up on some of his recent articles. We start by looking at open borders and why the establishment won't cut off illegal immigration. The US have endured an onslaught of unknown individuals, when a country is not able to know who is within its borders then it has no idea what perils it faces internally. It is a dangerous situation that America finds itself in. Sam shows us why and how the FBI has spent its time focusing on groups like Moms for Liberty which seems like political targeting and is quite simply illegal. Then we move onto looking at how the situation in Israel could affect the US before finishing on how China has imbedded itself into the establishment and throughout the system.
Sam Faddis is a Retired CIA Operations Officer. Served in Near East and South Asia. Author, commentator. Senior Editor AND Magazine. Public Speaker. Host of Ground Truth.
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(Hearts of Oak)
It's wonderful to have you with us. Thank you so much for your time today.
(Sam Faddis)
Thank you for having me, appreciate it. 
Not all, I've enjoyed your many times on War Room and maybe we'll touch on that before we get on to everything else.But obviously people can find you @RealSamFaddis on Twitter, @ANDMagazine also.
And I think Substack certainly, what I enjoy is andmagazine.substack.com.Everything is in the description. And I think that's where you put a lot of your longer pieces.So if people enjoy the Twitter, they can jump on and look at the Substack.And of course, Sam, you're a retired CIA officer, served in Near East and South Asia, author, commentator, and of course, senior editor of AND Magazine.And certainly for me, as maybe for many others, what often happens, people coming on Steve Bannon's War Room, it opens a window.Maybe we can just touch on that. It's always fun to ask people how they ended up being on War Room and they will jump on, I think, a lot of the threats, the terror threats currently inside the US.So, what about yourself? How did you end up being on War Room?Yeah, I don't... I think my contact with Steve goes back to when he and Jack Maxey were still working together.And we got particularly deeply involved regarding the Hunter Biden laptop story, because when they got a hold of a copy of the hard drive, one of the first things they wanted to do was make sure that they weren't being played, that this was in fact, something real, they weren't going to run with it.And, you know, they were more than happy to run with it if it was real and authentic, which it is, but they wanted to do their homework first.So they called me in as an old, CIA operator to take a look at this thing and say, Hey, do you think this thing's real?Or is there anything to this accusation that it's Russian disinformation?And after about, I mean, I spent the whole night down, I showed up in DC one night and spent the whole night down in a townhouse in Capitol Hill with those guys going through it.But I can tell you that it took me about five minutes to be able to tell them.It is impossible for somebody to have faked this thing.That's completely ludicrous. If you came to me when I was operating and said, do this to somebody else, I would have said.No can do, man. I mean, can I make up a fake laptop?Yeah. Will it stand more than about five minutes scrutiny from an adversary who knows what they're doing?No, it will not. It will be obvious for a million reasons.
And we've obviously delved into that with Miranda Devine, laptop from hell, Garrett Ziegler on a number of times and and as a huge and you wonder why the media don't wake up to that fact.But that and many, many others.But of course your background, CIA background, that intelligence side, and on your Substack lots of really interesting articles and I think for me it's the concern about the terror threat within the U.S.We talk a lot about what's happening externally. But really the big concern I have looking across the water and we have in the UK, having open borders is the terror threat within here in the UK, as you're concerned over there in the States.And maybe look at the border, because one of your recent Substack posts was the trade in asylum seekers, why the establishment won't cut off illegal immigration.And the issue of open border means the opposite of a purpose of government, isn't it?A government should be closing the borders, protecting its citizens, and this administration seems to want the opposite.So, what are your thoughts as you look on that open border policy?Well, as you well know, given your trade, you know, language can either be used to illuminate or obfuscate.We spend a lot of time listening to this administration use language to obfuscate, to dance around, to pretend, let's just be clear.This administration's policy is open borders.That's the Biden administration's policy is we don't have a border.So nobody in Congress changed the law.Nobody legislated that. The American people didn't decide that.These guys just basically decided, without ever admitting so, that they will not enforce the existing law.If you show up at the border, you're processed, you're handed a notice to appear for a hearing, which may be five to 10 years in the future, and you're cut loose.Actually, you're probably transported onto your onward destination like Chicago or New York.Once you have that hearing notice in hand, by the way, if anybody stops you, you just tell them you're waiting for your hearing.It in fact functions as a permit. In fact, the illegals refer to it as a permit.So that's our policy and we don't, there's no magic database to check these people.We have no idea who they are. We have no idea if the documents they're carrying, if any, are real.So anybody and everybody can walk into the United States.So why? Well, I mean, ideologically, a lot of these people frankly don't believe we have a right to control our borders.But there's also just a lot of money here, right?I mean, there's a huge garment industry as an example in Southern, California around Los Angeles, actually a large number of clothes a large amount of clothing that's made in the United States. It's all made by illegals. I mean if you walked into a shop and there's 300 people in the room and you found one of them who actually had legal documentation to be in the United States.You'd probably die of shock. Everybody knows that. You go to Alabama chicken processing plants for folks to stand on their feet for 10 or 12 hours a day and they gut and pluck chickens not exactly pleasant work. I've done a little bit of it once upon a time.Okay Who does that?Again, if there's 600 people in the plant and you found one that actually has permission to be in the United States and be working. You'd be stunned. So what we have I could go on obviously, I mean you get the point, there's a lot of folks here who are pretending like somehow they're welcoming the poor of the planet and doing something philanthropic.That's not what's happening. They're making a boatload of money.In the article that you referenced, we talked about how, for instance, in New York State, they actually run a state website where employers can go on the website and advertise jobs and that's specifically marketed to illegals.Now, they don't use that terminology, illegals, but that's what it is.It is a state-run website to match up employers with folks who will, again, when it's all said and done, they will work off the books for less than minimum wage.And none of these guys are gonna complain about workplace safety.I mean, if you think about it, it's kind of sick. Here's the Democratic Party pushes this, supposedly the party of the working man.This is a war on American working men and women.It's none of these pesky unions, man. We're gonna deal with folks that are about one step above slaves.
Yeah and I get that and that was a conversation I had in the Brexit debate in the UK talking to voters and you talk to small businesses and they wanted cheap labour, they want a free movement of people and I get the economic argument on that but then you move over on to the security issue and just because you let someone in for, they can cheap labour, if you're not checking who that person is, then you have no idea who is in the country.And it surprises me why, you're on a scale well above what the UK is on, but it surprises me why the media and politicians don't really call this out for what it is, which is a massive security risk for the US.Without question. I mean, first of all, people talk in terms of checking names against databases.Okay, so first of all, let's just assume that happens.What database? I mean, a database consists is only as good as the data that goes into it.What's the premise there? We have a magic database with the names of all the members of Al Qaeda and Hezbollah and Hamas in it. There is no such database.The guy's name is the name of John Smith, something generic.Born in some village nobody ever heard of in Pakistan, okay?You know what you're gonna find? You're gonna find there's no data in your laptop.Does that mean that he's good? It doesn't mean anything. That's, by the way, assuming he's actually telling you his real name.Hezbollah is an example. Hezbollah has a longstanding relationship with Venezuela.They are very serious boys. I've worked against them all over the planet.They plan years and years in advance, they're very meticulous.They don't show up one day and say, let's blow something up.They flip a switch on and off that they've been working for five years.Pre-positioned explosives, case targets, all this.They have a relationship with Venezuela. Venezuela gives them full sets of false identity documents, passport, driver's license, etc., backstopped by the Venezuelan government.Meaning if you ask the Venezuelans, is this guy Jose one of yours?They'll say yes because they gave him the docks as part of their deal. Number one group of people coming out of Central and South America into the United States right now Venezuelans.That is not me saying obviously that every Venezuelan walking into the United States is a terrorist, I'm just saying when you have a flood of people like that and you know you have this capability. It's the simplest thing in the world to insert into that stream guys who are operatives and we have no capacity for detecting them and we have caught them on U.S.soil before. Where they have been here for years and years and years working targets, New York City, Washington DC, Chicago. So yeah, there's a clock ticking out there someplace.Isn't there? It's just you know I mean, when stuff starts to blow up, is there really anybody with a straight face is going to turn around and say, wow, that was unforeseeable, I'm shocked.We're just waiting for it now. 
Well, I mean, your time working abroad with the CIA and you're dealing with, countries and individuals and situations which you wouldn't expect to find at home, and I've talked to other people working in the field at different ops.And I think the assumption was, and I assume the assumption is that the intelligence services abroad for the US that, you know, there is trust in what happens back home.There is trust in the borders, in the systems, and you're doing what you do abroad because you know you've got the backing of the US, but also, you know, there's protection there in the US and that's not even touching on the military.Is just touching on the institutions and the border.And if that's no longer there, then kind of you wonder, what is the point of intelligence abroad whenever there's no kind of backstop there back in the US?Yeah, there is no point. I mean, again, this is what I think people need to understand, and they don't, and maybe on some level, they don't want to, right?Because the enormity, first of all, it's staggering and hard to get your head around.But also, you kind of just don't want to face this reality because it's very unpleasant.We don't have a border in the United States functionally.I mean, we have guys that process illegals and then put them on buses and send them to Chicago.We've turned border patrol into welcome wagon, but we don't, we don't, our defences are down.I mean, you're living in a house in a bad neighbourhood and the doors are unlocked and the windows are open and nobody's paying attention.So is it hard to predict what will happen? It will not right now, look at what's happening in the middle East.I mean, you could send intelligence message after intelligence message out of the Middle East from a CIA station, saying everybody and his brother is planning on blowing stuff up all across the United States.Nobody's gonna react to it, nobody's gonna do anything about it.They have politically decided to ignore it.And God willing, somehow miraculously, this will not happen, but I don't see how we will avoid it. People are going to die.We are going to get hit again. And people should keep in mind that when 9-11 happened.Al-Qaeda, just as an example, they never conceived of that as the end of anything, nor did they conceive of that as the worst they could do.So they have never, and many of the other groups, never given up their ambitions for biological, chemical, nuclear, radiological attacks.So as horrible as 9-11 was, what you could see would potentially be much, much worse than that.What do you think as someone who is working abroad on the field, seeing obviously what's happened with not only Afghanistan, but then you mentioned the threat of Iran not being neutralised and that being left to fester and grow and continue to be a threat.And I guess, and it's not, it is one way pointing the finger at the Democrats because of what has happened, but maybe other administrations haven't maybe dealt with that threat either.Does that make any sense or is that on the ball?No, it makes no sense at all. And again, yeah, I'm not going to try to lay all of the issues here squarely and purely at the foot of the Biden administration. Not that they don't.Not that they are working overtime to mess things up.But yeah, we've made mistakes in regard to Iran as an example for a really long time.I mean, look, I've worked with a lot of Iranians, Iranian patriots over the years who are fighting for freedom in their country.I got nothing but respect for the Iranian people, Persian culture, Persian history.But the boys that are in charge in Tehran the IRGC and the ayatollahs are psychos. I mean they they they have an expressly apocalyptic view of history. They believe these are the end times literally in the way, somebody who's a true believer in the literal word of the Bible might believe these are the end times.That's a reality. That's not, that's not a metaphor.These are the end times. The Mahdi, who they regard as an Islamic superman prophet, is about to come back.And there's going to be a giant, fiery end to the world, and they emerge as the winners, and you're all either with them or you're gone.So that's the way they look at the world.Now, these guys have been on a course to acquire nuclear weapons for decades now.Their nuclear program exists for one purpose, for nuclear weapons.Everything else is garbage, just dispense with the nonsense.We keep reading things like, you know, the latest I read was an assessment that's now seven months old that said we think the Iranians are 12 days from having a nuke.Okay, so I'm not a math genius, but I'm pretty sure that if it's been seven months and you told me they were 12 days away. That by this point you should assume they have a nuclear weapon and anybody who thinks that our intelligence collection is so good, that we will know for sure in advance. That they're about to acquire it is living in dreamland.Not true but nobody will know that.Even the Israelis who have a really robust, they basically, you live in a world right now where you could wake up tomorrow and realize not just that they just got the bomb, but they have had the bomb for some period of time.So, I mean, a nuclear Iran that can actually vaporize Tel Aviv, that's the end of peace in the Middle East.You just set that whole region on fire. The Israelis will not live with that.What are we doing? We're shipping billions of dollars to the Ayatollahs.That's what we've been doing under this administration.We've been ransoming hostages.Look at the situation in Afghanistan. I mean, Biden wants everybody to forget about it because politically it's a disaster.All right, let's get down to the real implications. It's a terrorist super state.It's a safe haven for Al Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is at least as strong as they've ever been, and now they have a much more powerful, secure foundation.The Taliban is waging war to topple the government in Islamabad next door.Maybe you don't care about the Pakistanis.They happen to have about 200 functional nuclear weapons, plus the means to deliver them.So if Islamabad falls, that means all of a sudden Al-Qaeda and Taliban are one of the top nuclear powers on the planet.That's kind of a big deal. Somebody ought to be paying attention to that.We can't let that happen, yet we are doing nothing to stop it.
I mean tell, because one of the other articles was standby for another intelligence failure. I think it's the most recent one.Joe does not in his terror threat here at home escalates.And on that you touch on what's happening in Israel and you touch on Iran.I mean, how does that affect? Because America has never been weaker militarily and from a completely civilian point of view seems to never have been at a weaker place in regards to intelligence.Where does that leave America with what is currently happening in the Middle East?Well, it leaves us functionally blind, and I think there are probably two sides to that coin.One is the part where you give warning to the policy makers, to the politicians, and it doesn't happen to fit with their agenda, so they ignore you.We did a lot of this in the run-up to 9-11, which is not to say we had specific information on that plot, but it wasn't exactly a secret to anybody working the target that they're serious and they're coming for us.By the way, they already blew up two of our embassies, tried to take down the World Trade Center once before, and almost sank the USS Cole in Yemen.So for real, guys, they're coming.That didn't fit with Bill Clinton's peace dividend agenda.And we're now at the end of times, and it's every kinder, gentler planet.And the Bush administration didn't seem particularly focused on it before 9-11.So I did a lot of that. I was involved with a lot of that, and as was my wife, who's also a retired agency officer, as were any number of our friends. It's not just me.A whole bunch of guys over a whole bunch of years saying, we better go take care of this Bin Laden guy before something really catastrophic happens and it's ignored.And the second part is just a decrease in collection capability.And we absolutely do not have the collection capability we need.Anybody, Afghanistan is under the control of the Taliban and they got billions of dollars worth of our gear and the international community, including the United States keeps sending them money, calling it humanitarian funding.Anybody who thinks they're using that to buy baby formula is on drugs.So, and you've got every group in the world, including Al-Qaeda back there with, training camps and a completely safe platform from which to plan, train, and launch attack.What if, I don't under anybody who thinks we have any collection capability on the ground in Afghanistan at this point that's worth anything. Again is in dreamland.I mean you can take pictures of it from space and you can listen to, you can surf the internet and intercept email messages. You know, it took us ten years to find Bin Laden because he didn't use the internet and he didn't use a cell phone He recognized the capacity.He ran an entire worldwide outfit for 10 years after we took Afghanistan.Took us 10 years to find him. Why? Because he understood our technical capability, and he knew we didn't have the sources we needed to find him.So we don't have robust, we have essentially no capability in Afghanistan.We have no idea what they're plotting, what they're planning, how many attacks are being hatched over there. 
And when I've talked to friends, background intelligence, it's all about assets and having people on the ground and that information.Is it simply with the move, the technological move?Is it that the focus is we can now do everything with technology and the hard work on the ground is simply ignored?Is that maybe the focus of politicians?The focus of politicians is also, unfortunately, the focus of too many people inside the intelligence community, right?I mean, one of the things the United States, just to stick with us as an example, that we do pretty well is allocate money, buy stuff, build buildings, fill them with people looking at flat screen computer monitors, doing PowerPoint presentations, generate a lot of this stuff, build a machine that flies around in space and sucks up signals.Okay, now espionage is not at all like that.Espionage is weird, arcane, old art, really realistically probably hasn't changed for thousands of years, meaningfully, because it's all about human nature.So as long as people are people, it's going to be the same thing.You need this very eclectic group of individuals, often drawn from a whole bunch of very disparate backgrounds, kind of people who in another lifetime would be stealing the crown jewels, who aren't very comfortable colouring within the lines all the time, but they have enough self-control to not go totally off the reservation, if you will.In other words, they'll do it for a good cause.And then you got to train them really well, and then you got to season them really well.Like you got, I mean, when I showed up at my first field station, it was more or less an attitude like, yeah, you go make like 500 asset meetings, and then we might let you talk in the morning meeting when we all get together.Because right now, you know so little, you don't even know what you don't know.And then you got to trust instincts. It's got to be a very flat, nimble organization.If I'm talking to a source in Turkey, and I got an opportunity to do something inside Iran, we need to exploit that opportunity really fast.I don't mean like I should have carte blanche to just do whatever the hell I want, but I just, we got to move.We got a window of opportunity. We got, let's go.I can't send that message back to headquarters and wait six months while they go through 27 levels of review and committees of people who've never been overseas discuss whether or not this is a good idea, right?The really good organizations in history. Have had that capacity, I mean, one, I've done a lot of study over the years of the American OSS in the Second World War, but also SOE, the Special Operations Executive, the British equivalent that was, predates OSS and obviously was the template for OSS.Read the history of that, man, it's a, you know, a bunch of guys like Patrick Leigh Fairmoor that walked across Europe sleeping in barns before the war and, spoke classical Greek and, just this weird combination of things who the next thing you know, they're on Crete and they're dreaming up operations to kidnap Nazi generals. And they actually pull it off like two guys and a handful of Greeks do this. Good lord, if you sent that proposal to Langley these days. You know, you would have no chance on earth of that thing ever being approved. They would come back with nine million reasons why that won't work, and you'd get tired of trying to explain it to them.You'd just be, okay, whatever, too much trouble, leave it alone.Now, I want to ask you about to the domestic side.It seems, again, as someone looking from the outside in, it seems the role of the FBI is now no longer about catching real threats within the US and is more focused on, I mean, whenever Moms for Liberty was declared an extremist organization and those who want to stand up for common sense and basically values of life and liberty and freedom, those are now the ones in the crosshairs.I mean, how has that change happened? Is that just because it's easier to focus on those type of people because they don't push back, they're not a threat.Has there been an active decision to see those people standing up for American values as a threat as opposed to others, maybe the Islamist type?Tell us how that change has happened and what that means for the fabric of the U.S.
Well, first of all, it's catastrophic for the United States, right? I mean, intelligence agencies. Intelligence agencies shouldn't be within 10 miles of American domestic politics.It's illegal, it's unconstitutional, it's immoral, and they should never be, even when they've got to deal with domestic things like the FBI, they should never, never should be partisan.Again, that's illegal and unconstitutional and so forth.I think you have you have like two problems that are affecting both the FBI the CIA and a bunch of other agencies one is bureaucratization which kind of bureaucratic hardening of the arteries the organizations go soft. You stop having guys at the top who made their bones running operations, whether we're talking about the Bureau or CIA now, you got guys who have played political games.And then we have politicization in the sense of American domestic politics.We have outfits that should not have come anywhere near this, that at least at the senior levels have become very politicized.I mean, the Moms with Liberty thing is a great example.I have a, where I live in the state of Pennsylvania, I have a lot of contact with Moms of Liberty because of other things that we do, my wife and I.You know, you're talking about an organization, the centre of gravity is a 55 to 60 year old grandmother.And Moms for Liberty's primary focus is things like, why is this book filled with sexually explicit drawings in an elementary school library accessible to my eight-year-old?I'm not trying to ban the book, burn the book, demonize the person who wrote it. It's just age-inappropriate.It shouldn't be available to kids. It's not exactly incendiary.It's certainly not domestic violent extremism. So, it's insane that the Bureau would label these guys as an organization like that, as being a danger to anything. Not a danger.They're people involved in a political process expressing actually what are really common sense things.So, hugely dangerous.You know, and I think the problem is primarily at the senior levels, but I'm honest enough to say, and I've had this discussion with many old colleagues, you know, I'm still waiting for the day when somebody comes to an FBI SWAT team leader and says, I want you to go at five o'clock in the morning with 25 guys, all gunned up and arrest this 75-year-old guy for praying silently outside an abortion clinic. I think it would be nice to see the day where the guy would say, that's a really interesting idea, man, but I'm not doing that.I'm not the Gestapo, I'm not your secret police.It's not happening, my guys aren't going, you want my badge?Take my badge, but I'm not doing that.When they went to arrest Roger Stone, okay?On what, if you believe there was a crime, would have been at most a white collar crime. So what's the procedure in the United States, you contact the guy's lawyer and you ask him to come down to the courthouse?He shows up you charge him and then typically he's released and he walks out the door, happens all day every day all over America.That's the m.o. Nobody sends a gunboat and an armoured car and a squad of guys, with machine guns to arrest a man who's what 80 years old and by the way stands about 5'3 and, at that towers over his wife who has heart trouble and you're gonna go show up at his doorstep at 4.35 o'clock in the morning I mean come, on that's you are utilizing the law enforcement power of the United States government to intimidate political opponents.Straight up. Not okay.
And I guess that infiltration, that change of thinking, that doesn't change just with administration.Something is deeper than that and there is no necessary quick fix for it.Well, I mean, let me let me focus on the CIA, but we could be talking about several organizations in addition to the FBI.Is it fixable? Yeah, I think it's fixable. I mean, first you have, but you need somebody who understands the outfit, because if you send somebody from the outside to CIA, they will be led around by the nose and played by the guys inside, and they will have no idea what's going on.But the key factor is really you have to have a president of the United States who says, go there, break as much China as you have to, fire as many people as you have to, get it back on track and get it back to work.Now, I've said this many times.I believe if you did that, and you went to CIA as an example, and tossed out folks who have clearly crossed the line on political considerations as an example, and just said, we're going back to work, We're going back to business, we're doing the people's business.I think you'd actually honestly have people standing in the halls cheering.I think the rank and file would be, thank God.Like, you don't go to CIA for the pay check. I mean, you don't starve, but you don't get rich.And you make a tremendous number of sacrifices, and you do a lot of interesting stuff, but you also live some places that are hard.And you certainly put your family through a lot of hell along the way.So really people come there for a reason and because they, as hokey as it may sound, they believe in the mission and they can see when they're not being allowed to do the job.They can see when a guy's getting promoted that has never done anything, but he laughs at the boss's jokes. They're not stupid.And tell me, some of the threat we talked about earlier, the Middle East, you've got that Islamic threat, you've got a completely different way of life and a different viewpoint on how things should end.But another article you wrote recently in the Substack, was looking at China and that threat, Biden meets Xi for talking's sake.And we've certainly had massive concerns here in the UK of that Chinese influence in our education system and much wider.You've probably had similar in education in the political system.That's another threat which is there internally and no one seems to want to deal with it.We've just had David Cameron coming back in the UK as the Foreign Secretary, one of the most pro-China political leaders in a generation.You probably have the same. So tell us about that.That article of Xi coming over and Biden being his lapdog, basically, being summoned to San Francisco.What's your concern of the Chinese influence and where that can take America?Yeah, well, let me state up front, you know, I was a case officer for the Central Intelligence Agency, which is what any normal person would refer to as a spy or a spook. CIA doesn't.Those terms are used differently at CIA. Anyway, what was my job?Well, my job is to do a whole bunch of stuff, but the guts of what you get paid to do as an ops officer, as a case officer, is recruit sources inside target organizations.So in other words, my job to do to the enemy what they're trying to do to us.It is my job to get the Chinese intelligence officer to work for us, the Russian SVR guy to work for us, to get a guy inside Al Qaeda to work for us.So when I say that, not like a hooray for me speech, but as a, when I'm talking about people being recruited and how this works, it's not because I read a book about it one time, it's because this is what I did for a very, very long time, with I think some significant effect.What the Chinese do on an industrial scale is they engage in what's called elite capture, their term.That means they come in and they recruit, they gain control of, they buy, whatever verbiage resonates with you.Influential people in target countries. So that's politicians, could be military officers, corporate leaders, whoever they think has power in that country and can further their interest, they buy them and they gain control over them.They don't do them a favour and then hope later they'll do them a favour.That's what diplomats do.They gain control over them. They stick their, they, you know, they push the buttons in your head, whatever it takes, man.They stroke your ego, feed you money, produce attractive young female agents.Whatever floats your boat, whatever is the key that unlocks you, that's what they do. That's how spies work.Okay, we know that. There's no controversy about this, not a conspiracy theory.It's done worldwide on industrial scale.Not surprisingly, target number one for the Chinese Communist Party Intel guys would be the United States of America. They do this all over the United States.God knows how many guys in Congress they have turned. God knows how many corporate leaders.Look at Joe Biden, right?I mean, again, let's stop beating around the bush and playing games.This is a guy who's taken, I think Miranda Devine's best estimate is at least $31 million flowed to the Biden's from China, from individuals who are directly connected to Chinese intelligence.So let's just take the ambiguity out.Chinese spies funnelled at least $31 million to the Biden's.They didn't give it to Hunter for his good looks, or because of his cocaine user.I mean, there's only one product that Biden's had to sell and that was Joe.The Chinese communists are a lot of things, they're not idiots and they just don't throw money away.So we know all that money flowed to him and we know it came from folks directly connected Chinese Communist Party and Chinese Intel.There's only one question left to ask, what did they get and are they getting in return?You might hand a chunk of change to Hunter one time because he claimed he could do something and then it turned out he couldn't produce and you think okay, nothing ventured nothing gained. We lost the bucks move on, you would not continue to hand millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to these guys unless something was coming back the other way.So when you put Xi and Joe in a room together and people seriously talk as if Joe is representing the interests of the United States of America.I'm just shaking my head. I'm like, really?Because he's sitting in a room with a guy that, as far as I can tell, bought him years ago. He owns the man.And if you really internalize that, the implications for American national security and the entire free world are terrifying, because it doesn't matter how many carrier battle groups you have, or nuclear weapons.Look, I'm kind of a history nerd. Once upon a time, the British East India Company took over India.They fought a battle at Plessy, I believe, and they defeated a vastly superior Indian army.Now, taking nothing away from the British army, who did a superb job.Number one reason they won the battle, because they bought off the commander of the Indian army, who sat on the side-lines with something like 80%, of the Indian forces and watched while his master and the rest of them were destroyed.Like they just, simple solution, we'll buy this guy off and they'll sit on their hands and watch.So I mean, if the Chinese move on Taiwan tomorrow and you're counting on Joe Biden to be the guy that gives the order to the 7th Fleet to save the day.Good luck, man.What's your, just so we finish off, what is your big concern with the life you've led, with your experience, seen so much and how foreign agencies work, foreign governments work, that ongoing battle, to fight for, I guess, the freedom in the US.What are your kind of big concerns when you look at the US and what has happened?Because obviously a lot of what's happened has been enabled politically, but it's also been enabled in the media, in many, economically, that's been a way in for China.But what to you is probably your major concern of where America currently is?See, here's the way I would sum it up. I think since 1945, the American people have taken for granted the fact that the United States is the preeminent political, military, and economic power on the planet.That's just sort of bedrock, and it's almost like a law of nature now.So things are good sometimes and less good other times, and occasionally we get dragged into a war, and then after a while, we get tired of the war and we go home.Well, we don't think we actually lost our status as the number one power.And even when we leave Afghanistan, we don't think we don't really think of it as we got beat.We think of it as maybe we shouldn't have been there and we got tired of it and we went home.Nobody's dictating articles of surrender on a battleship like we did to the Japanese in 1945. And we sort of assume that, again, that that's, you know, U.S.Military's the most powerful, our economy's the biggest, yada yada.There are no, of course, laws of physics that says that is true.And we've touched on some of the reasons, but we could go on probably all day talking about there's a lot of really catastrophic stuff happening around the planet.Between the Chinese, the possibility the Iranians are going to get nuclear weapons, Pakistan falls and all of a sudden the Taliban has 200 nuclear weapons.Terror attacks inside the United States.I hate this word because it gets overused, but you're actually beginning to talk about things that are existential when it comes to the United States.You're actually, I've said this to numerous people, you could realize that the Chinese could move on Taiwan and a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier could go to the bottom of the Pacific and you realize you don't have one west of San Diego.And all of a sudden right there the status quo that has existed since 1945 where the Pacific is an American Lake ceased to exist guys but the Chinese aren't in San Francisco yet, but, you are no longer everybody in the entire all of East Asia now lives with a new reality, Nope, the South Koreans the Japanese.What are they going to do just fend for themselves? That kind of stuff is already starting to happen all over the planet, and we're either facilitating it or just blissfully ignorant to it, but we're not doing anything to stop it.What happens if the Iranians wake up? What happens if the Iranians detonate a nuclear weapon in the desert and say, we have 12 more?And guess what? But we already moved half of them to places like Lebanon, under the control of Hezbollah, to locations you don't know about and where you can't stop us from launching them.So you Israelis knock yourselves out bombing sites in Iran. We didn't tell you this until we had already taken steps.Now you live in a world where the Iranians can wink the state of Israel out of existence, literally, because Israel's a tiny place, right?Two or three nuclear weapons and Israel doesn't exist anymore.It is that danger. It's that like we're teetering on the edge of a cliff and yet we're not, don't seem to actually be doing anything about it.Well Sam I appreciate you coming on. I think it is so important for the public to understand the perilous situation which we do face and I've thoroughly enjoyed your many times on War Room.So thank you so much for giving us your time today in sharing some of those insights.
Thank you. Appreciate it.