Hearts of Oak Podcast

The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Welcome to our weekend edition of free speech and straight talking as Lewis Brackpool is back with us for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving his unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and on his social media.In the cross-hairs this episode......- Rainbows everywhere! It's Pride month again.- Labour suspends MP over sexual harassment allegations.- The train-wreck interview between Andrew Tate and the BBC.- The Jeffrey Epstein Files: Unprecedented insight into late paedophile's network of power and influence.- Pray for Jamie Foxx.- Twitter, misgendering and What is a Woman?- North Korea has officially been elected to the WHO executive board.- World Health Organisation could gain powers to impose lockdown on UK.- Israeli data shows ZERO young, healthy individuals died of Covid-19.- Government to take legal action against Covid inquiry over Johnson WhatsApps.- Target has lost over $10 billion in market capitalisation after boycotts.- Fat people now officially a protected group in New York City.
Lewis Brackpool is an independent journalist, broadcaster, commentator, reporter and co-founder of GritNews.His writing focus is politics, freedom of speech, news and current affairs.Here he discusses his journey into journalism."I’ve been in the alternative media for a couple of years. I was previously with another company, a Canadian-based company called Rebel News.I started there after being made redundant from my previous job as a flight attendant - or a ‘trolley dolly’ as they say!After that, I thought, ‘Right, I want to get back into politics’. I used to study it for a bit, but my views were completely different to what we were being taught back in the days of 6th Form, with all the programming that they were pushing on people, so I decided to make a YouTube channel.I did that for a year, built up some contacts, networked, really pushed out my viewpoint on various subjects, and then applied for a course to report on Rebel News."Lewis is a rare thing among journalists as he brings uncensored, unbiased and unique information all delivered in his own imitable style.
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Originally broadcast live 3.6.23
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Links to topics discussed this episode.....Pride https://twitter.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1664233346958852096?s=20Labour https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/01/labour-suspends-mp-geraint-davies-sexual-harassment-allegationsAndrew Tate https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1664926795169136641?s=20Epstein https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12136305/Trove-Jeffrey-Epsteins-emails-calendar-entries-reveals-pedophiles-network-power.htmlJamie Foxx https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1664378091341217792?s=20What is a Woman?  https://twitter.com/JeremyDBoreing/status/1664255321630552065?s=20North Korea https://apps.who.int/gb/gov/en/composition-of-the-board_en.htmllockdown https://web.archive.org/web/20230526085438/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/25/who-pandemic-treaty-lockdown-uk-ministers-fearCovid-19.https://twitter.com/Grit_News/status/1663254480492560393?s=20https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/zero-young-healthy-individuals-died-covid-19-israeli-data-showGovernment https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/01/government-to-launch-legal-action-in-attempt-to-retain-johnson-whatsappsTarget https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1663947118170472452?s=20Fathttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12136287/Fat-people-officially-protected-group-NYC-Eric-Adams-signs-discrimination-law.htmlBiden https://twitter.com/HeartsofOakUK/status/1664348279868473345?s=20

Debbie Georgatos - America Can We Talk? What Has Happened to US Exceptionalism

For years former attorney and Fox News radio political analyst, Debbie Georgatos has brought her unique mix of lawyerly logic and patriotic passion into a mix of news and interviews that she broadcasts live every Monday-Thursday on her show 'America Can We Talk?' and this episode she joins Hearts of Oak to look at American Exceptionalism. The US has always stood on its on two feet, The American dream was a beacon that shone throughout the world giving hope of a better future, America exhibited confidence and spoke of freedom from tyranny. But now that has all changed and "America is best" is under attack from the media, politics and an education system that wants to destroy the dream. It is now America AND China, America AND the Middle East, America AND Islam, America AND Globalism, America AND anyone and everyone else through an open border policy. Can American exceptionalism be regained? Should we be concerned about a weakened USA?Join us as Debbie discusses these issues and more.
Debbie Georgatos hosts the conservative talk show America, Can We Talk?. She is a public speaker, author, past Fox News Radio national political analyst, and former California labor/employment litigation attorney. The mission of her book, 'Ladies, Can We Talk?' and her show America, Can We Talk?  is to inspire more Americans to actively embrace American-style liberty, protect America’s exceptional nature, and claim their place in the American political conversation.Debbie speaks and writes about the issues that will shape America’s future, and about the many challenges facing America today, from race relations to border security, and from free markets to national defense, and many other topics.Her first book, Ladies, Can We Talk? America Needs Our Vote! speaks to women, encouraging them to embrace and value our constitutional rights and freedoms, and to vote to preserve the American-style liberty on which our country was founded.  She connects the dots between the “big government will take care of everything” politics, and the crushing of individual opportunity, incentive, achievement, and ultimately, happiness.Debbie brings to America’s political dialogue a unique mix of lawyerly logic, patriotic passion, and a friendly and personal tone.  She encourages all Americans to take part in the American political conversation and the respectful exchange of ideas. She enjoys speaking to groups of all ages and backgrounds.
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Interview recorded 23.5.23
 
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Debbie Georgatos.Debbie, I met back in 2018 in Texas, and we reconnected at the Counter for National Policy Conference in Miami in February.Debbie is the host of America Can We Talk, a talk show, radio and on video.I've loved watching many of her interviews. I asked her on to discuss US exceptionalism.What has happened to American exceptionalism? And we go into obviously introducing her show, the many guests she's had, what she's trying to do with that, and then we move on to, America used to be America alone, but is now America and China, America and globalism, America and the Middle East, that clash between Christianity and Islam. And then we end up looking at the Durham report that she has just done quite a bit of work on. It seems as though the whole Russian collusion was a hoax.Who would have thought? That's just broken, just come out, and those two years of attacks on Trump in his first two years as president were simply a way of smearing and destroying him, and there was no truth in it. That's all come out, and Debbie has covered this in depth, and it was wonderful for her to go into that and explain to us, the viewers and listeners, what exactly has come out.So loved chatting to Debbie, catch her on americacanwetalk.org.I know you'll love hearing from her, unpack these issues of US exceptionalism.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have today with us the host for 'America, Can We Talk?' and founder and moderator of Women for Freedom Summits?And that is Debbie Georgatos. Debbie. Thank you for your time today.
(Debbie Georgatos)
Hi Peter, I'm grateful you invited me to join you and I loved having you on my show last week.
It was good fun being with you last week and it was, goodness, we met each other 2018 and hadn't seen each other since. So it was good bumping into you at CNP in Miami in February and it was great to be on your show. So thank you for joining us and lots to discuss as always.Obviously on the screen americacanwetalk.org and on Twitter @DebbieCanWeTalk. All the links will be in the description for everyone to follow. But before we jump in and look at, I think we want to talk about America Can We Talk, what has happened to U.S. exceptionalism, and it's a massive topic of America, I guess, moving away from its position in the world.But before we get onto that, before we get onto your show, before we get onto all the topics, can I ask you, Debbie, just to take a moment and introduce yourself for our probably 70% UK audience and 20% US.So take a moment and introduce yourself before we go onto your show and then onto the topic.
Thank you for that opportunity, Peter. I would love to. My name is Debbie Georgatos and I'm based now in Dallas, Texas.Our talk shows out of Dallas, Texas. But by way of quick background, I grew up in upstate New York and I'm a lawyer.I went to law school, I did all my schooling back East and used to be a litigator in California, defended businesses and employment disputes. And so I was mostly on the defence in employment related cases.And we came to Texas in the year 2000. My husband and I moved here because of his work and start-up companies.And when I got to Texas, we had three kids at home. I do the stay-at-home mom thing.Pretty early on I got involved in her and just you know, and here it was called Republican Women's Club it's just a bunch of women who got together and talked about political issues and I enjoyed it very much and they were had good speakers, but I might thought always was as I'm listening, you know I love learning but what do you do with it? And how do you be an activist?How do you do more than just learn important things and go home and tell your husband at dinner?Like what do you do about it?So and I also focus a lot on how women vote and you know, I am in America our political parties pretty much we still have two, Republican and Democrat and, Republicans are more of the patriots the people who believe in the Constitution and the ideas the Declaration of Independence. So anyway, I began studying women's voting patterns and realized how women tend to vote for big government. They vote for expansion of government, because they are lulled or lured in by the idea of sympathy for the less fortunate and so the best solution is big government and handout programs and they also vote that way because they are in my opinion duped or tricked into thinking that somehow the leftists in America are going to make life safer and fairer and better for minorities. So I wrote a book, I wrote a book in, 2012, I think it was, called Ladies, Can We Talk?And I just talked to women about how you vote and what's the outcome of that vote.What happens when you vote for expanded government and expanded government control over society.It was a little bit wonky. I'm the first to admit, pretty wonky. Lots and lots of you know, footnotes and details and data and charts and graphs just trying to make the point, you know, don't vote away America, don't vote vote away freedom and really from that book and some media interviews I got after that it just kind of morphed and rolled into having a talk show so I had a talk show on radio called 'Ladies, Can we talk?' on a big network here in America, for four and a half years and then actually the is a Salem radio and then the head of one of the board members of Salem said to me, it was some conference.(microphone drops)You're losing half your audience you should be calling your shots to preserve of America's freedom.
Okay, well, lots of discussion. I've loved watching a number of your most, or I think your most recent interview was Dr. Simone Gold.You had a replay of Frank Gaffney interview, and I've seen you put up the Reawaken America event from Trump Doral Hotel in Miami, where we met again.Maybe you wanna tell us about some of your guests and what you're trying to put out.
I would love to you know part of what happened when my husband and I moved to Texas in the year 2000 It became very politically active. And so we happened to have in the home where our kids grew up, We had a back house, which was large. It was a pool house, but we we turned into a meeting venue So we had many, we would invite conservatives who are activists candidates, elected officials, foundations, organizations.People with a conservative cause tied to saving america. So we hosted Good.I mean hundreds of events in our home and it was just a way to let people It was a private venue and people could come and talk more freely about the serious challenges facing America and and what was really the root of those challenges So we did that for many years and I worked on political campaigns trying to talk about, messaging and how you you know need to collapse down the big arguments that conservatives make into, bullet points and so I worked with Canada's elected officials. The bottom line was we met a lot of people so when I started doing my talk show, I already had a pretty big array of at least contacts and friends, you mentioned Frank Gaffney?He's been on the show many times and and actually he was the founder of Center for security policy, and all he studies and thinks about is the various ways in which America's national security is threatened So he's and he's a really an ideological thinker So he talks not just about some country being a military threat, but the ideologies that come into America and undermine our understanding of America. So it's he knows about China and Russia, etc, I also have had guests in the kind of social issues sphere. I had a woman on my show.Four weeks ago. I think you know, three weeks ago named Riley Gaines and she really I think has made international popularity She is a star swimmer a young woman who won like I think when she was 16 ranked first in the nation, an amazing swimmer went to University of Kentucky and won all sorts of events and her final NCAA which is the end of the college time for her and her swimming competition She was beat out by a guy who got to swim against the women because he said, you know I identify as a woman. I mean just preposterous crazy and that whole transgender craziness has really overtaken America So I try to talk about that how it undermines our culture our family and just undermines this rooting in truth because he's he's a guy in every way and so I have those kind of guests I am gonna be talking I have many a guest talking about the border situation in America we live in Texas a southern border is you know, a few hundred miles away and it's utterly unenforced don't let anyone tell you as well. It's just a few little openings. It's utterly, unenforced we are watching and and enabled legitimized invasion of our southern border enabled by our own government. That's what happened So I anyway, I've known lots of people who are politically active candidates and such but I always I want to avoid slogan slinging because I think too many people get turned off in politics If you just sling slogans or name-call, I have serious substantive discussions rooted in facts and data and try to introduce people to the deeper ideas about what makes America great, unique, extraordinary.
I love watching many of them and if they haven't caught up with them they can on AmericanCanWeTalk.org they're all available there to watch and all the links, rumble links everything else is in the description but there are a whole load I mean I grew up with a two, superpowers America and Russia, USSR and then America seemed to take the supremacy the upper hand and was the single superpower in the world. And we've had that up to probably recently, but then recently, we've seen the ascendancy of China. And it's an interesting clash, this not just America alone, but America and China. I mean, what are your thoughts on that as you see the kind of that competition, that replacement with, I guess, America and its values of freedom, of liberty, of the ability to make the best in your life.Anyone can achieve what they want to if they really believe in it.That's the American dream.And what China brings is something very different. I mean, as an American, what are your thoughts on that clash between two separate, I guess ideologies?Well, first of all Peter, I would say I would love if more Americans saw it as a clash. That would be very helpful, you know, you're exactly right. what has happened in America?Unseen really by many people but exposed by Frank Gaffney and many other people who are national security experts is the idea that China, has committed to itself. In fact, they had at their very large annual party meeting in, 2009 I think it was, promising that they intend to become the world's single superpower. They act, no is 1999 because 50 years later gonna be by 2049, They intend to be the world's single superpower. And so they really have a goal of not just, equalling America in military strength or manufacturing or standard of living. It's nothing like that.It is an agenda to really take to be in charge of the world, to dominate America and all other other countries. And so there's that piece of it is coming out of China. It is the ideology of the Chinese Communist Party itself, believing communism must be spread.And there's also an element in China of an ancient doctrine that the current leader, Xi Jinping, believes in, which is the idea that the Chinese people as a race, as an ethnicity, are really intended to be the rulers of the world. The English version of it is called Mandate from heaven, but they really think this and Xi Jinping says it in his speeches so China has that agenda and in some ways you can see the agenda and what they try to do but in many ways what they're doing to take down America, diminish America's role is more subtle.And it is you have to pay attention to what the experts are teaching you to really understand what they're doing one more little background is back in 1999. There was a, 1998 there was a book published by two Chinese generals high-level military in the Chinese comm in the military in China that, basically said here's our plan. Here's how we will take down America and they spell it out We weren't intended to see it, but they spell it out and a lot of it is is very subtle so the methods they are using they are very much trying to undermine, America the culture and our belief in ourselves.So they're spreading through Confucius Institutes at college campuses as well as many recruited people in America's government in the judiciary in Hollywood in all the places where influencers seem to abide they are trying to culturally bring down America, it's really to convince the American people that your country isn't as great as you think it is and within academia, especially and people are just kind of now waking up to this maybe in the last five years waking up to this the ideology of communism has become the dominant ideology in almost every university in America in the history departments political science departments, So you send your your sweet young child off to college thinking they're gonna get really smart because they're gonna you know, learn great things like universities used to do and what they are producing, America's universities through the influence of China and more broadly the communist ideology, they're producing students who emerge from college and they don't they don't only not only don't like America. They don't love America They don't like America. They think America is bad. They have an impression of America's history.Utterly unconnected to reality and they believe and they will spout how Communism or socialism is so much better and so much more fair and so much more just and capitalism is evil, so we have a generation of people coming out of universities that don't they don't even know who's been, hoodwinking them or brainwashing them they think they went and got educated and then they think their parents who don't agree with what they're saying must be old-school dark ignorant So you have that aspect of the kind of cultural takeover of America you have financial takeover America coming out of China. We have Chinese corporations listed on the stock exchanges in America andfar too complicated for this show, but I've done shows about it how when Chinese companies are in the stock exchanges in America?So and many of the funds in America allow, you know you have collections of people retirement accounts of people's money and they invest in funds, So those that money goes back to strengthen Chinese corporations There were a series of three laws in China passed was like 2017 18 and 19 that basically made it the law in China at every company in China.No matter what they make what they do who they are they're all obligated to give every bit of information about their customers about their company, everything they do to the Chinese Communist Party and they do and so you have as the analogy people the point people try to make you have American military people who serve their whole life who have retirement funds retirement funds into Chinese companies in America stock exchange to go to Chinese companies We're manufacturing the weapons who will kill America's military I mean it is the most extraordinary thing and convincing people China is an enemy, China is America's number one enemy is hard because people were taught for years that the whole idea is kind of a similar to détente, but you know, we're gonna make friends we're gonna expand this relationship and not realizing China really is now America's number one and really the world's number one mortal threat to the future of freedom,
Well, I want to get on that economic threat and that, I guess, credit system, which is controlling people across the West now.But I guess it's that ideology, let me touch on first, because here in Europe, you go to Eastern Europe and you talk to many people, and they remember what communism was like behind the Iron Curtain.America doesn't have that, and America is built on, well, during the Cold War, of course, there was that threat of communism from the USSR, from Russia, and Americans understood that that was against, that was detrimental to the whole American dream.That Cold War has gone to an extent and the worry is, I guess, that young people growing up now, they have no idea of the damage to communism. They have no idea of the threat of socialism.What is it currently like in America? Because that seems to, people don't seem to look on communism, socialism with such suspicion, but it's more out of curiosity now, I guess.
Yeah, you know, I'm in the era where we grew up speaking about, you know, the communist world was Russia and the countries they occupied.And we all spoke of America as the free world. It was just understood without really needing much explanation.We understood communism involved tyranny and involved government control of all of society.And in America, we saw that as an enemy.And it is part of this ideological invasion that we were talking about a minute ago. You do have more people, it isn't that they would I don't think there's a a huge majority of Americans who would say yes I'm in favour of socialism. I think communism is great there's a segment and sadly a growing segment that says they like socialism.But what they don't see are the ideas that are coming out of America's left. They are Marxist. It's Marxist by slow rolling, changing the way America thinks about things, changing the way what we appreciate and think about our sense of freedom in our country.So we are, we are succumbing to socialism, Marxism, communism by a slow rolling attack.And just a couple of quick examples.There is a bill now in our Congress. Now the sponsor of it is Bernie Sanders, who was a presidential candidate, who's an avowed, he's a communist, but he's got a bill that is saying, and he's in the Senate, the House side is sponsored by the member of Congress we often call AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.They're basically saying that the government should pay for breakfast lunch and dinner and a snack so it's three meals a day plus a snack for every student in America, it's not means tested. It's not that you know poor students may be starving, but they sell it as a way. I've been reading their propaganda they sell it as a way as how could a child be expected to learn if they're hungry which of course they can't I mean everyone, you know, you're adults we're we can't focus if we're really hungry. So you make the point? Well, look what we just got to take care of that look we can solve this and we are they always spout off big numbers America is a rich country We have you know X number of millionaires and billionaires and all this money sitting around, well, the fact is that is a massive step toward communist control over society disguised as kindness and charity and this is one of the points even in my book, you know now over ten years ago I was trying to make social programs, intentionally engender dependency. They teach you that it's kindness to provide larger and larger social programs and the result is of course that the average person, especially someone who grew up dependent on all sorts of government programs, doesn't even see that as abnormal. They don't see it as, well, I'm an exception. I really should be self-sufficient have a job, you know take care of myself. They see that's what life is So they are cultivating the culture of dependency still today in America. It's a form of how socialism takes over, It's not a and you know, COVID was a huge other problem. COVID was a time where we, subconsciously, agreed that the government could control a lot of our lives we they could decide whether you can leave your home and whether you have to wear a mask and whether you can open your business and I mean it was just used as a vehicle, a mentalmanipulation or people were calling it mass psychosis of America, fear was instilled, people felt afraid so they just waited to be told what to do and very few said, you know something about this isn't right, climate change is used the same way it instils fear it instils dependency and instils weakness, people are encouraged not to think just wait to be told what to do and then we'll keep you safe, and that's how you lose your freedom.Can I, American chat, but American globalism and that economic power, and I know President Trump attempted to try and bring back some of the manufacturing to the U.S. that had been given away.But it seems as though that globalism reduces America's position in the world economically and makes America reliant on other countries where America was self-sufficient for so long, long, as was Britain many, many years ago.But that move away, that globalization, and that, I guess, selling off America to the highest bidder, which seems to be more and more the Democrat policy, and America can't do it any better.Someone else can, and they can always do it cheaper.And that giving up of that American economic power. I mean, how do you view that?Because that's partially China rising up, I guess, and becoming the engine power of the world.But there are many other countries stepping into that as America seems to withdraw from it.Absolutely. I'm so glad I was making notes while you were talking. I think better if I'm taking notes, I will say I do think that you know, We're talking a minute ago about how these ideas are introduced in society and they're sold to you as a either it's uplifting or it's the new way to think it is its modern way It's not this old-fashioned way that your grandfather used to think these are new ideas and globalization is sold as a next modern step among thinking people.And you know, the word can mean many things.I mean, the concept that America and the entire world, we have global trade, we have products that grow certain places, made certain places.And so shipping and having trade and buying products from each other.Generally speaking or in the abstract, is a great idea. You know, you don't wanna shut yourself off from the world.You have connections if you purchase products from other countries.What happened in America was, and it was very intentional during the Obama years, Obama, and I think your listeners probably know, but Obama, his vice president was Biden, who is now our president.So this is, many people refer to the Biden presidency as Obama's third term, as more Obama ideology.But the short story is, they saw globalization as a way to be more enlightened, and so we're gonna globalize, and they tied it into World Economic Forum.Isn't this wonderful?We're all gonna work together for the betterment of all mankind.And so we're gonna find better ways to solve the world's problems.And lots of people say, well, who could be against that? That sounds good.What has become obvious is the World Economic Forum is part of the agenda to really minimize and eventually eliminate the notion of sovereign states, sovereign states that are self-sufficient.And the idea of World Economic Forum is, and their motive, their MO, their modus operandi is to use dangers or threats or concerns to monopolize power to grow to have countries surrender their power to the World Economic Forum who promises just like every communist since time began promises give us all the power. Give us all your money. We'll fix everything and that's really so the World Economic Forum a lot of headway in America many prominent American leaders and people who are you know in the government now attend and there they would say oh It's just a way to have conversations. But again, it's that creeping an important differentiation. Are they just sharing information and or are they working toward this one global governmentidea, which has been the dream of many leftists for for years and years, It's similar, and in America more people are starting to call that out saying, you know we don't want World Economic Forum dictating anything about our our climate policy or COVID policy And it was both, you know, Klaus Schwab the head of World Economic Forum. He writes about he doesn't even hide it, he talks about the idea. Yeah, we're gonna use climate change and then he had a whole other series we're gonna use COVID to essentially consolidate power in this international body taking to countries that thought they were sovereign and had their own policies and plans, we're not having anything of that, we're just not going to allow that and I don't want you know, Peter I mean my love your time the other one quick one I mentioned was the World Health Organization is another one where they are, you know, first of all controlled by China Number one is not an freestanding really lovely, organization working toward better world health it is run by a guy, who is a former Muslim terrorist and not a doctor. He's not even a medical doctor, he is a you know, he's a bad actor, he runs that organization and countries around the world are signing on to say, will let the World Health Organization take our sovereignty away and let them be the ones that decide when a pandemic should be declared, how we should react what vaccine should be required. We are giving away sovereignty, but I will say I realize I'm sounding negative so I do want to get to the point, there are a lot of Americans wide awake now for the first time in a long time I was thinking driving in all these organizations reach out to me. I'd love to be on your show I want to talk about what we're doing. People are waking up. They're recognizing this creeping loss of freedom, loss of America, loss of America's greatness, it's right around the corner if not already here. And so you need the people who understand what's happening to rise up and stand up for what America is.And people are wakening up to that threat from the WEF and the WHO meeting at the end of this month and the controls they will bring on countries.And I saw they've refused Taiwan again to be observer status, again, the power of China.We all see that in in many ways. But could I touch another area because you've got again American exceptionalism has been taken over by America and the Middle East and this is partially a clash between a weak Christianity in America and a strong Islam in the Middle East and this is a clash that we have seen across Europe and I know that you will see more and more in America and that's connected to immigration. But you see this clash between two powerhouses and Christianity seems to be weak in its ability to hold its ground and to know what it believes in. Islam seems to come in and then you've got the financial side of the Middle East. You've got the oil, you've got everything that backs that up.I mean, what are your thoughts on that clash, not only between Christianity in the West and Islam coming from the Middle East, but that America in the Middle East?Do I have an hour to answer this? On a very serious note.
We can do that on part B, the next show.Okay, on a very serious note, you know, every time there's a really bad event in America, there have been jihadist attacks in America.They had the Boston Marathon. We had one right here at Fort Hood, which is a military installation.We've had Islamic attacks in America. We have jihadist attacks, and we've had stories about a dad doing honour killing of his own child.So we've had these, and every time those happen, people kind of wake up again.They say, wow, this Islam, the teachings of Islam, at least those who follow what the Quran actually says.These are ideas are inconsistent with America and freedom and Christianity and but yet, you know when it was quiet.Nothing happens people kind of revert to their well, you know we're in a diverse nation and we want to embrace everyone and we're all about inclusivity blah blah blah very little, sustained attention to that the Islamic Jihadist movement in this world. It never ends it started with the writing of the Quran, it started with Muhammad and it goes on and has gone on since the time the Quran was unleashed on the world and so we have this movement in America that sadly doesn't pay attention until it's really late you're really very late and then related to that many people have been documenting there has been I mean It sounds like strange bedfellows, but there has been a locking of arms between the Marxist movement in America which is definitely on the rampage and the Islamic jihadist movement also on the rampage and the two of them locking arms together and they kind of can bond over their perception that they are victims. They're a minority. They're not treated fairly. They're not honoured But really it's a very dangerous alliance and it is it's front and centre in America today, And people are a little bit afraid to call it out you have to wait till an event happens and then try to remind people, you know this is why these are happening. These aren't just people who deviated from Islamic doctrine, deviated from the Koran. These are people who are following the Koran, who are committing these kind of actions. So yeah, they're, it's a very, and then your related point about Christianity in America. There's a great thinker in America. I think you probably know of him at Trevor Loudon. He's actually a New Zealand native and he's coming back to Texas in a few weeks and be on the show, buthe writes about the the essentially a communist take over the world. That's his whole point is watching his tracking communists and he did a film two or three years ago called enemies within the church and his entire point of the film was that the Marxist movement coming to America, trying to identify all the places of weakness also chose the Christian church of America and how you have Christian churches off on teaching about social justice warrior stuff, left-wing policies on every conceivable issue.Inclusivity which causes them eventually to lose the Gospels to lose the core of Christianity what Christianity means and teaches like their highest idea of Christianity is to say we have no beliefs any we don't really have any beliefs every everything goes anything goes and the church is in America is weakened because of that having said that again this rising love for freedom you see it in America you do see and hear more people speaking about and people put it on social media I want to find a church that is not sucked into social justice and welfare that you know social justice agenda I want a church that teaches the Gospels that holds to the Gospels and you see people actually talking about and I agree with both these points you want to find churches Christian churches that actually understand America's unique identity was born that came out of the scriptures. The idea of man having individual rights from God because you were born, at the very least, to life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness and many other things, the equality of all men, the ideas of America are the ideas of the scriptures, of the Judeo-Christian scriptures, and people want to find churches that will say so.I know we're going on lots of topics, but I do think that I just want to give our viewers and listeners a taster, because there are all these, I guess, from different angles and that destruction of American exceptionalism.And I want to talk about immigration, but I do want, and I know you've covered this recently in your show, and this is on the Durham Report, because this is a clash between, I guess, America and the FBI, America and what's happening internally.The other things we've talked about are external threats, but yet you also have internal threats which are actually probably more concerning because those internal threats are accepted as good and positive for the country. Unpack that again to a non-US audience of what the Durham report has unveiled to the US people. I know it's not possible to do it in a short space of a tie, but I think it's essential for viewers to just scratch a little bit to see what exactly that is unveiling.I'd be so happy to, so everyone in the world I think heard when President Trump came along he ran for presidency in 2015 and 2016 He won in 2016 and early on in his candidacy in his campaign a story emerged out of Washington that somehow Russia was colluding with President Trump to steal the election from Hillary Clinton and she was the Democrat the leftist candidate and this Trump Russia collusion as it turned out to be hoax really took hold in the media in America and so we spent it continued during the campaign after Trump won he's in office the first two and a half plus years while he was in office his investigation was ongoing our American so-called Justice Department the DOJ Department of Justice was investigating the FBI which is a bureau part of the DOJ the FBI's a Federal Bureau of Investigation they spent millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hoursinvestigating supposed Trump Russia collusion finally the Democrats who are orchestrating the whole thing The DOJ announced, you know, actually there's nothing to this at all after thorough investigation. There was no Trump Russia collusion Sorry, our bad didn't happen and so then there was a report there was an investigation ordered by a guy named Durham and he is a he's an attorney with a DOJ and he was appointed to investigate where in the world, since there was no Trump-Russia collusion, nothing to it, where did it come from? How did this get started? And he reported finally last week, he released his report, 306 pages, I'm not through it all, but I will, but I will tell you that one thing he had to say, the top points, which are simply mind-blowing, one was there was no basis at all.That's what he concluded. There was no reason for the DOJ to even think that there was Trump-Russia collusion there was nothing to it. I mentioned to you before we started today. Peter that the British intelligence, when the DOJ shared the information with British intelligence and said look this is what we're looking into we think that Trump colluded with the Russians. It was literally the you know, kind of,It was a massive eye roll and utter dismissal the words were something like this is it that's what you're going to investigate It was absurd. They literally on paper laughed at the DOJ for making this allegation So they figured out early on nothing to it the Durham report realized it points out there was nothing to it It also points out that our president Obama along with Joe Biden our current president along with Hillary Clinton, along with the head of the CIA, John Brennan, and every other major player who orchestrated and continued this push for the Trump-Russia collusion investigation.They all knew as of October 2016 that it was all made up. And if you didn't know who it was made up by, they knew, and the American people have known for a long time, made up by Hilary Clinton herself.Hilary Clinton, the Democrat candidate for president, and her law firm, Perkins Coie, They smear campaign firm. They hired cooked up. It was a complete campaign stunt, that was a Trump Russia collusion was and Hillary Clinton. I have clips of her galore, Blathering on and on complaining about Trump Russia collusion and she made it up, her whole team made it up. So part of what is now occurring in America is the Durham report is you know, Obviously the DOJ is corruption at the highest levels not one, DOJ attorney, not one FBI agent during the entire farce spoke up. No one said, you know, actually there's nothing to this. Actually Hilary made this up. Actually, there's no evidence at all no one did and so there's great concern and I support the idea that when we have sane people again running America meaning Republican controlled House and Senate and White House, There needs to be an actual dismantling of the DOJ and FBI has to be done carefully you can't have no federal law enforcement agencies but they have massive weeding out as needed because this is a culture of corruption. It goes beyond just I mean, This is a not just a culture of corruption It's a culture of thinking their job as the top law enforcement agencies in America, their job is to go after the political opponent that's what they thought their job was and I know this happened this investigation continued even when Donald Trump was president But you have to understand he can appoint the head of the agency. He picked made terrible choices in running those agencies andthose people were of the mindset as they had always been their leftist they are pushing the leftist agenda the Marxist agenda, Trump got in the way their mission from the time he came along was somehow find a way to destroy Trump, they're still doing it now in a variety of other investigations ongoing but this was really for many people an eye-opening time,more people need to wake up and realize the depth of corruption that just permeated DOJ FBI CIA NSA all of these top agencies that we not only pay with our tax dollars but we entrust them with a system of justice in this country and what they're telling us is the system of justice the rule of law is utterly gone. They are a witch-hunt mentality persecuting their political opponents.It's the same thing happening to the January 6th defendants, probably a topic for another day, but same thing they're doing and going after the documents at Mar-a-Lago when Biden had far worse documents and no authority, no even arguable authority to have them, but nothing happens to him.There is a massive double standard.It's worse than double standard.It's a persecution of political opponents and an absolute whitewashing of anyone who is of any wrongdoing, no matter what it is, if that person supports the leftist agenda in America.
I mean, is there a way through it? Because you talk about draining the swamp and that's about the political system in Washington, but you've touched on the FBI and the institutions.Then you look at the media, you look at the court system in Kari Lake's fighting there in Arizona, the whole issue of vote counting not being done properly.I mean, there are a range of issues. And I mean, what are your thoughts on,I guess it all boils down to a hatred and a fear of Trump, that he connects with people on a level that actually maybe America hasn't seen for quite a while and strikes fear into the heart of the Democrats and they will use any tactic to discredit him.Is there a way through using the system whenever seemingly so many parts of the system are set against Trump himself.
I'm sorry, you mean Trump getting back in the White House?
Yes, I mean that clash, because we've discussed some of the FBI adamant on taking Trump down.We've seen the media, we've seen so many, we've seen obviously the Twitter files beginning to come out.There are so many battles, and I wonder what your thoughts are on actually having a successful conclusion to a political vote system against all those different ideologies.Uh Peter that is the famous 64 000 question. In fact, you know, I had um show, people over on my show will stay after and talk and and you mentioned recently the Clay Clark tour the reawaken tour a common conversation, essentially is okay. We're all well informed. We understand, you know, Russian collusion Russian collusion was a hoax the borders unenforced. Covid was a hoax in terms of the way it was imposed on people and the common question people get is, well, who's going to be our leader?Who can be a leader to stand up, expose it all? And I do think the answer is Trump as to our presidential campaign, but really there's no one person. It is, this is a,to my view, this is a groundswell of the American people demanding a return of the rule of law in our country demanding a return to border and sovereignty to individual liberty. There needs to be a massive groundswell, because there is no one person is going to solve all these things. There are literally I will tell you I truly think a majority of Americans agree with most of what I'm saying. I think Americans know Americans know our country is corrupt, Biden did not win in 2020 everyone paying attention knows that he didn't win the election, Trump won the people overwhelmingly chose him but they wouldn't let him govern and so there's a groundswell that knows this and I think you do hear people expressing concern more and more.What are we gonna do to stop them? How can we make this leftist Marxist takedownstop and I don't think I mean and obviously people get a little concerned about whether, you know there would actually emerge within America a second Civil War and I hate that thought and I always say we got to find better ways to do it, but there need to be brave American people deciding that absolutely no matter what it takes I will stand up in my school board and my community about critical race theory and the transgender lunacy I'm going to insist that actual history of America is taught that American patriotism is taught as part of teaching about America. Their battles are at school boards. They are for election integrity We have not just a Donald Trump's election was stolen in 2020.Which is a whole other topic we could talk about sometime if you want. But there is massive election fraud in this country so we have to have just like in a real army where you send, you know One unit has to go fight at this shore and one unit has to fight on you know wherever else it is, at sea and one unit is defending. We have to, as Americans, decide we're going to take back this country. We're going to stand up for it. And you've got to find your lane and fight. It involves pressure on your elected officials. We in Texas, what Texas is often considered, you know, the leader of liberty in America, the most free state, the one that that loves American freedom.We could not get meaningful election integrity legislation passed in our legislature.So it takes massive citizen involvement. It takes elected officials afraid they won't get re-elected, afraid that their money will be cut off.It is a massive, I mean, it took the left, whatever you wanna call it, 80 or 100 years to get us to this point where America is at a tipping point.It's gonna take a while, but I do think, I think the ideas of America are right.I think they are God-given rights from the very founding. And I think the American people do realize that but it takes, we can't sit back and wait for the perfect politician to come along or the perfect leader of the movement. There are many many people speaking up and doing things that matter. Get on board with the thing that you care about the most as the presidential election, by the way I think unless they have massive theft Trump is going to win the primary. We have a primary and I think he's going to win the general as I will ask people I pose this at the close of my show yesterday with uh, Simone Gold was on who's a great American patriot.What happens in 2024?If it's again Trump versus Biden and again it's stolen and then they announced well, look at this as a matter of fact now we got 110 million votes for Biden and everyone knows it isn't true everyone what's going to happen then, What will happen to America then if you don't like that picture get in the fight now?
Debbie, I appreciate you coming on. We don't even have time to talk about immigration or the whole education side on those school boards meetings that we have certainly watched with jealousy, I guess, in the UK because we don't have that sort of thing. But I appreciate you coming on, Monday to Thursday at 3 p.m. I can just remind us where people can find you and what they can find.
Thank you so very much. My website is americacanwetalk.org we do run the show on the website and that is the safest place to go, americacanwetalk.org but we also put the show out on rumble which is out americacanwetalk I think it says America can we talk with Debbie Georgatos We put it out on Twitter and on Twitter I'm @DebbieCanWeTalk it's on every conceivable social media platform that exists includingTrump's truth social also say Trump social truth social. It's not on YouTube because sadly I was permanently banned from YouTube.For putting a doctor on the show who pointed out that ivermectin is really effective to deal with COVID. That was that actually and so I am permanently banning YouTube and until someday that can be rectified I won't be there, but everywhere else you can look and the show is called America Can we talk if you just start even typing in on your search bar America Can we talk?Debbie G because you probably cannot pronounce my last name which is for Georgatos, but Debbie G it will come up I'd love to have you listen like the page come to the page read our blogs I just I love and I say it since I've been doing public speaking for 10 years. I love the American political conversation. It's part of the idea of freedom that you can talk about issues and share facts and listen to other people. That's what that's a robust idea the First Amendment and we need to reclaim that because among many other things happening in America there is a very much censoring your freedom of speech in this country, which is utterly inconsistent with the idea of America
Debbie I appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts on American exceptionalism and sharing what people can find on American we talk So thank you so much
Peter thank you for having me. It's just great to see you great to be on your show. Thank you so much.

Patrick Henningsen - Misinformation, BBC Truth Checkers and how the Media are Stoking up the Ukraine Conflict

Mainstream Media is now the biggest source of misinformation. We have witnessed three years of controlled cooperation by the worlds media to convince and coerce us into accepting a Covid narrative that all seems to of been a lie. Patrick Henningsen joins Hearts of Oak to share his nearly two decades of experience as a journalist to lift the lid on this media machine of manipulation. Why has this level of deceit been accepted and tolerated and for what purpose? How is the BBC now the governments gatekeeper of truth for the UK? And why are the media determined to escalate the Ukraine conflict into what is dangerously approaching a full on European War? Join us this episode as Patrick unpacks all of these questions and shows us why the alternative media is needed now more than ever before.
Patrick Henningsen has helped to inform and educate audiences internationally on some of the most important geopolitical and cultural issues facing the world today. As an effective independent voice and outspoken media critic, he has consistently challenged the mainstream line on western military adventurism and deep state geopolitics, as well as being an vocal advocate for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Patrick has done extensive on-the-ground reporting and research in the US, Europe and the Middle East including work in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Iran. As an independent analyst he's known for his candid commentary and timely predictions on breaking trends and events in global affairs, and as a public speaker he's been recognized for his dynamic but down-to-earth presentation style and media workshops. He is also the founder and managing editor of the successful independent news and media analysis website 21st Century Wire.com and host of popular weekly SUNDAY WIRE radio show which broadcasts live weekly on the Alternate Current Radio Network (ACR), and host of the Patrick Henningsen Show on TNT Radio International, as well as co-host of the UK Column News. Back in November 2016, he also a weekly show 'Patrick Henningsen LIVE' on terrestrial AM radio with Independent Talk 1100 KFNX broadcasting to one of America's top talk radio markets in Greater Phoenix. He has also appeared in a number of international publications including Consortium News, Ron Paul Institute, The Guardian, Global Research, New Dawn Magazine (Australia), and on a number of major global news networks including RT News International, Al Jazeera, ITN (UK), CGTN (China), Indus News (PK), Edge Media (SKY 200 UK) and US syndicated radio show Coast to Coast AM.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview. Come up in a moment with Patrick Henningsen, 21st Century Wire, TNT Radio, UK column.For nearly 20 years, Patrick has brought his journalistic insider analysis into a range of issues.And he joins us to talk about his starting 21st Century Wire back in 2009, and how we are seeing a change in censorship and media.And has that been over the last three years? Have we seen off the edge a cliff edge or has it been over a period of time? So we discussed that. Then we go on to the BBC. The BBC, the arbitrators of truth, they tell us what to think and they've just launched the Verify team. 60 journalists who will tell us what is right and what is not. The BBC obviously being an arm of the state, bringing us state news. Should we be concerned about this and what that means?
And then we move on to what's happening in Ukraine and Russia, the war there and the media desiring more and more conflict, more and more aggression, completely different from 2003, the big demonstrations against the war in Iraq where the media were opposed to war. Now they seem to be marching step by step into more war and aggression. Then we end up talking about politics.Robert Kennedy Jr. standing for the presidential candidacy of the Democratic Party in America, very vocal against the war. What does that mean for the whole debate and will that change the narrative? Lots to discuss. I know you love listening and watching and hearing from Patrick from UK Column and more recently on TNT Radio and I know you'll love our conversation.And hello Hearts of Oak. Today is wonderful to have a writer, a credited journalist, Global Affairs Analyst and Co-Founder and Executive Editor of 21st Century Wire, and that is Patrick Henningsen. Patrick, thank you for your time today.
(Patrick Henningsen)
Great to be with you, Peter. My pleasure.
Good to have you. And of course, you can catch Patrick. It's at 21wire, there is his Twitter handle, 21stCenturyWire.com is the website. You can catch him on the Sunday Wire every Sunday, five to eight UK time, which is probably around midday eastern time, and TNT radio every weekday from five o'clock to seven o'clock. And if you want to see him you can see him on UK column where he is regularly. So I think those are the main places to find you, are they Patrick?
That's right. I've also started a new Twitter space forum series every Wednesday. We usually do big picture geopolitical debates with special invitees for panel speakers.It would be great to have you on that space at some point as well, Peter.
Yeah, definitely. I haven't got into Twitter spaces yet, but that's a whole new area.A lot to discuss and possibly, I know Patrick, you launched 21st Century Wire back 2009.Maybe just want to start with that. What led you to starting that organization?Well, it was really out of necessity, Peter. So like I sort of took the vow of poverty in 2005 and decided I was going to make myself into a useful member of society by becoming a journalist and learning how to write. So I was hustling and doing three or four jobs and then blogging. But I was always blogging on other platforms and that's blogging was sort of coming into its own around 2004, 2005, 2006. So I was kind of jumping on that wave on some other big websites and then submitting articles. I was very lucky to be, you know, invited to a couple of conferences. One on It's the Climate Sceptics Conference in 2007 in New York.Where I met a lot of the top sceptics.I was very interested in that climate change issue and finding out what the real truth was at that time.Plus the anti-war activism, which I was very involved in in 2003, four, five, and six.That was also informing my writing.And I just got tired of having to submit pieces to different editors, and I thought, at some point, I gotta start my own blog. So I just launched a WordPress site, and I had some help with that, obviously, at the time.Because I'm a good tech person, but there's some things I just have a blind spot with.One of them is HTML coding, which now I understand all these years later, and now you don't need it anymore. So there you go.So then when the Copenhagen Climate Summit was coming, I knew this was going to be a major event in Copenhagen, COP 21.And so I booked my ticket. I hired a cameraman to come with me, and then was able to sell some of my reporting to some big alternative media outlets at the time, like InfoWars was one of them, and then be able to actually be there on the ground doing journalism at a big event.And it turned out to be amazing because the whole thing collapsed at the end, because it was exposed to be a complete fraud, and the developing world countries realized they were getting taken to the cleaners by the G7 lords of the galaxy.And then that's when I launched 21st Century Wire. It was for that event.I wanted to make sure I had an outlet to publish in real time because I wouldn't be able to depend on another outlet.So it all kind of converged in late 2009.And I still wrote for other sites and published in other really good websites.I even got published in the Guardian back when they were still allowing some journalism.Amazing actually because they had turned around and did a hit piece on me a couple years ago for our exposing the truth about what was happening in Syria.But they were upset obviously by that as are most of the mainstream media anytime anybody in the alternative media exposes anything or exposes the truth and it undermines the official state narrative.There's this reflexive reaction that they have to go and attack you.And this is what the Huffington Post, UK does routinely.The Times are pretty guilty of this. Local papers do it as well.Owned by Reach, you know, all these sort of conglomerates that own the entire of the local press in the UK.And also NPR, BBC, I don't know, pretty much everybody's had a crack at us and the colleagues that I work with.But the main thing, Peter, is that I just decided that I wanted to own my own website and have my own media and not depend on somebody else.And we've developed it into a good independent media platform, I think, and we've done some great journalism.Our journalists have been recognized with awards and nominations for major awards for the work they've done on our site.We've had stuff republished. We've been linked in mainstream media.Some of our journalists also featured in mainstream media, serious programs as well, a few of them overseas in Europe, in the US.So I think overall, we've done a good job with very little in terms of resources, just a lot of sweat and a lot of hard work anda lot of late nights and reinvesting back into 21st century wire.It's tough with the ad-pocalypse, with being delisted for organic searches on Google, which happened in 2017 after Trump was elected.Us and a few hundred other major alternative websites got basically bumped from Google in terms of organic searches.We were dominating before that. That drove our ad revenue, which was the main business model.That was really tough. It took many years to get back to breaking even after that.And then also kicked off of YouTube periodically, not allowed to monetize anything there.Kicked off of Twitter, let back recently because of the Elon, the merciful, the new monarch in charge in San Francisco.And thank you to Elon Musk, of course, eternal thanks for letting me and others back this past December, but much to the chagrin of the mainstream hatchet people.But that's that. Yeah. And I've been on the ground covering wars in Syria.I've been covering the defeat of ISIS in Iraq in 2017 and also throughout the Middle East as well, doing journalism there for a number of years and working for a number of outlets, just providing live commentary.I did quite a lot of live segments for RT International from the Libyan conflict. I did that remotely.I wasn't on the ground in Libya, but I did commentary and analysis to 200 or 300 live segments for RT, and I wasn't paid for those television segments.So, and I did that because I didn't want to be accused of being a Russian agent, but they accused me anyway, so I should have just done whatever the other journalists did and like, you know, get paid for that.I would have been able to buy a Range Rover if I did, but I didn't, I was too, too, too much of a, um.Trying to retain my independence, even though it wasn't necessary, just because of the anti-Russian rhetoric and all the sort of drive-by attacks in the media that were going on, and politically as well.And it's a serious thing in America, that since Trump got elected, that the whole Russian narrative, Russia-gate, Russian collusion, Russian disinformation, Russian stooge, Russian propaganda, it's just endless in America.It's like the ultimate scapegoat that keeps giving in America. They can blame everything on Russia or some foreign actor rather than the corruption that's actually happening inside the US and Washington. And I dare say probably the same thing is happening in the UK as well and in EU.
Now we'll certainly get on to the war side, the Russia side, but actually as someone who's new to media, we find ourselves doing this just as lockdown hit. And I've seen a big change in the last three years, an increase in censorship, accepted new-speak, collaboration between media, big tech and governments, but, For you, as someone who's been a journalist for a decade prior to the chaos of the last three years, has that change been a cliff edge or has it been more gradual and hidden?Oh, it's been an absolute cliff edge, but the conditions that led to that cliff edge and this total collapse in any sort of morals, ethics, anything that was remaining in the mainstream media, or any independence that the media had away from government, that completely was eviscerated with COVID and lockdown. But it's important to understand, this is a good question you've raised, Peter, because the framework for that, for the absolute Orwellian onslaught of COVID, lockdown, and attacking anti-vaxxers and all this stuff.The framework for that was built on the back of the Russian disinformation hoax.Okay, and all of the collusion with big tech and government on both sides of the Atlantic and in Brussels was really built on the back of that idea that Russia interfered in the 2016 elections. Ergo, you know, our social media platforms were then deemed to be a critical infrastructure, critical election infrastructure by the US agencies like the Department of Homeland Security and all these sub departments that they erected on the back of the Mueller report and all these sort of failed investigations the funding was just still flowing and then you had this backdoor into Twitter Google YouTube LinkedIn Facebook where government agencies have direct control can even read your DMs and Twitter Okay, that was exposed in the Twitter files as well as many other incredible violations of the First Amendment. Same thing happening in Britain, probably, although we don't have all the details for it. It would be great if there was a major inquiry or something like that on this, so certainly the public would, I think, benefit from that.In a democracy, in Brussels too. So there's this direct, complete fusion of government, big tech to censor and to de-platform. And then also the mainstream media plays an important role in this as well because they act as the attack dog to offer additional intimidation to the big tech firms. In other words, there's a designated person at every mainstream media outlet that would call the heads of big tech and say, how can you allow this, this far right or rhetoric or these, these accounts, these anti-vaxxer accounts on your platform?Aren't you realizing the harm that's being done here? And are you going, what are you going to do about it? We're going to run a story on Monday. Can we get a comment? Are, you going to allow those, those accounts on your platform? And of course, what does big tech do every time they cave in and they'll go and, you know, delete these accounts, shadow ban them, delete the tweets, delete the posts.And so this was all, again, exposed in the Twitter files. And so the mainstream media is rolling this as a sort of side-line agitator to make sure this process of censorship is efficient.So they act as a kind of incendiary element in this collusion here.So this is completely Orwellian.And again, the framework of this was exposed during the whole, the Russia scare, the initial, the integrity initiative leaks in the UK are a good example of that.You could see the lists of journalists that were being briefed by government agencies in the UK and Europe, and then creating fake stories, and then planting stories, and all of this sort of thing.It's really about narrative control, and it's definitely a top-down system.There's invisible components to this that the public can't see.In the UK, you have D notices as well. These are off limits topics the mainstream media won't touch.Plus you have Ofcom as a sort of speech regulator.They say their media regulator their press regulator, but really they're becoming or they want to become a full speech regulator of the Internet, so I mean this is really historic in that sense people need to kind of really realize the gravity of this, did the digital world with all of its benefitsto us the public to get more information to get the truth is also being used by the state and its corporate, adjuncts for systematic censorship, so it's a it's a two-sided coin and which way this this equation leans is gonna really be up to us and I always tell people, you know if you have free speech and you have a voice use it, use it because the minute you start, controlling your own thoughts and things like that. That's when you know, we become a self-policing, non free speech society at that point.
Before we get on to BBC, and you mentioned some of those restrictions, and of course we've had the online safety bill coming in in the UK, we've got the EU proposing a very similar one, we've seen what's happened in Ireland with their new restrictions on saying anything which is outside the government narrative.To me, that's the most concerning development of the clampdown, and it's, I guess, progression from YouTube making its own rules now to the government agreeing to those rules.
Yeah, so what they've done is they've introduced various new concepts.One of them is harms.Harmful.Offensive. So, no longer what is criminal in terms of, you know, a violation of the law.Elon Musk made this point really well. He said, you know, any speech on Twitter that is in violation of the law or in terms of a court order can be shown to be actually putting someone in danger. We're talking about death threats. Uh, we're talking about, uh, doxing, sensitive, uh, personal material for somebody who's at risk, et cetera. Child grooming and all these sort sort of legal activities going on, that obviously should be prohibited and policed and would be in the terms and conditions of any of these companies, reasonable terms and conditions.What the government wants to do is extend the terms and conditions in order to make the companies liable.And if the government believes that there's harmful speech online, they will fine that company and into oblivion with millions of into percentage of turnover not just like profit but percentage of turnover like ridiculous fines and the reason they're doing that is they want to, they want these social media companies to come back in line with this self-policing like Twitter used to be but maybe even without the government interference but getting them to build up these huge moderation boiler rooms and using AI to regulate speech so it's all based on this online harm.So much of this insidious legislation will use the issue of harm to children.And no one's downplaying the fact that's a serious issue.However, there's many, many laws in the books. Police have whole departments.They have a great investigative pedigree to look into such cases and then enforce the law in all countries.Most developed countries have those legal facilities.And so, you know, it's already there. The checks and balances are already there.What they want to do, obviously, with the vague arbitrary terms like harms and offensive and potentially dangerous, they want to extend this kind of definition to where it's completely flexible where you can just use a word and it can have multiple interpretations, a bit like the way anti-Semitism has been weaponized in the British political system, where they've used it to remove the Labour leader, the former Labour leader, plus former Labour MPs like Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, and removing Conservative MPs as well as they did with Andrew Bridgen. So then it becomes a meaningless term at that point and it's just bandied about to, you know, as a kind of political weapon and if it's not that word it'll be another word.It'll be, you know, the term far-right. In America they're using white supremacy very loosely.The press and the political machine, the Democrat political machine, the Biden White House using that term, it doesn't mean anything. It's like I was born and raised in America. I've never really met a white supremacist my whole life and I've moved all around the country. And so, yeah, they just want to demonize anything that's basically right of Karl Marx.That's basically where we're heading.
And I think it's the, what, Candice Owens and the Hodge twins, they're probably white supremacy now as well, according to their definitions.
Oh, you can be black and be a white supremacist now. I mean, Larry Elder, who ran for governor in California, he got called a white supremacist. He's obviously an African-American.So, Candace Owens has been called a white supremacist. So, you got all these African American pundits that are white supremacists.So, it just shows how ridiculous it is, but just because it's ridiculous doesn't mean they're going to give up.This machine is really relentless.You know, they'll retool and they reconfigure. The propaganda that we are marinated in right now, is just so thick and vast, like never before.And people will say things that do not adhere to the truth. The biggest source of quote, disinformation, 110%, and actually throughout history, is two sources, mainstream media and government.The lies, mistruths, propaganda, all these things that the BBC use.They don't use, the BBC doesn't like to use the word propaganda, if you notice.They like disinformation, they like misinformation.The new one's mistruths.This is a new word invented by the BBC. They don't use the word propaganda very much, obviously, because as soon as they start saying that, then the camera gets pointed on them at that point.So it's interesting how these new words are very convenient.They've been invented and introduced in order to, and for the moment, they're fashionable, but they'll eventually become redundant and people will laugh at them.Many already are laughing at these words like misinformation, mal-information.It's either true or it's false. It's either a lie.It's either propaganda or it's accurate.And if you don't like accurate facts and you're calling those Russian propaganda, I got called a Russian...I said, I was talking about the issue in Ukraine, maybe we'll talk about that later, but...And I would say, someone said to me on a panel discussion from another country, I forgot what country he's from, he said, oh, that's the Russian narrative.I'm like, no, it's not. I'm reading off of the UN charter and I'm reading international law and that's not the Russian narrative. But that's the environment we're in right now.It's hyper-politicized on so many different domestic and international levels.And the mainstream media are the worst, the worst, by far the worst offender.And when they get it wrong, wars start.When they get it wrong, accidental fighting breaks out between countries.So what they put out, when they get it wrong, it has actual real-world consequences on all of us.When they don't report on the Nord Stream pipeline being blown up and ask the question of who actually did it and meanwhile our gas and electric bills are skyrocketing.People in Europe are being forced into fuel poverty and the mainstream media have no questions at all. They black out the story.The biggest attack on a European infrastructure since World War II and they're silent, they're shtum on this. So they have, I mean.They have so much to answer for and they're not doing, they're not even remotely trying to fill the role of a fourth estate. In fact they piled on Julian Assange who is a award-winning journalist who's in supermax prison, languishing away award-winning journalist and not a word of protest from the BBC or you know, just recently you'll probably find a few pieces on the Guardian, only recently saying oh maybe this is unfair you know they let him waste away in Belmarsh prison for two or three years before they even raised that issue.
Well I want to bring on the BBC because you just had a poll and the BBC is the perfect mix I guess of media and government and it was this poll survey do you consider the BBC to be unbiased objective and a credible media outlet. And there were 5.8% of people said yes, 94% said no, it had over 16,000 votes.It's interesting because we are moving away from that trust in our institutions, across many areas of society, where there's now a growing and growing concern and suspicion and anger, I guess. I think this survey shows us that.
There's 16,000 votes on that, Peter, by the way.So some of the people that voted yes actually messaged me afterwards saying they accidentally hit the wrong button, It might be slightly lower. No. Look I didn't ask anyone to retweet that I asked if you, I did ask a few people to retweet it, but.In in general, I think it's an interesting barometer.The BBC obviously have launched their new Verify service. This is only in the last few days those abroad may not know.We've had fact checking for a long time, but it's a verified team consists of 60 journalists, seems to be pulling together their disinformation units, world service monitoring, their reality check team.And these are going to basically tell us the BBC can be trusted and anything which UK column may put out or others, will be there to critique that. I mean it's, they call it transparency in action.It's interesting the BBC need to have a service to fact-check. I mean it just is really confusing but this is, I guess, the government and the BBC putting their stamp of authority on the mainstream media the public can't trust.BBC Verify, I think this is this new program. Marianna Spring is their disinformation expert.She's very young. I'm not sure if she has a lot of experience in the field doing actual journalism.This is the other point, Peter, there's people who are fact checkers who are basically rating people's work online on these sort of internet guides, like completely fraudulent websites like NewsGuard is one of them.Headed by the former head of the CIA. I mean it's kind of ridiculous if you think about it, but they hire these young people and they've created a new tier of journalism because the mainstream media no longer does actual investigative journalism. They still have to sort of employ people and then somehow validate the top-line propaganda and the top-line propaganda which is directly from government, literally copied and pasted, they're then verified and protected by this new lair called the fact checker or the disinformation expert and these are not real journalists. These are people who if they had a substack blog nobody would read it. Okay, let's be honest. So they have no aspirations other than being on staff as a bureaucrat at the Ministry of Truth because isn't that what this is? This is like chapter and verse out of Orwell's 1984.And so they're saying, oh, we're tracking conspiracy theories online, and they have like these fancy heat maps, and we're tracking disinformation.And look at these accounts that retweet this.We have a cluster of potentially far-right-linked or foreign-linked accounts who are amplifying this disinformation.What they're doing is completely bogus. They raise money, and they tell each other this.This is how the funding gets approved.They have academic departments and universities that study the spread of disinformation, how to counter online hate and all this stuff. What they're doing is tracking online dissenting opinion.That's what they're doing. They're tracking any counter narratives that potentially threaten or undermine what the state and the corporate media narrative is.That's all they're doing. Then they're using that to demonize independent journalists, bloggers, to get them censored, de-platformed, demonetized, all of that, to basically create a sort of pariah, a group of pariahs in society.And they don't care the damage which they do. And I've been libelled by these people multiple times.I can't afford to hire an expensive city solicitor firm to defend myself.I'm not someone like Piers Morgan or these people can attack and smear and do whatever they want.They can also afford the best lawyers in the world, but the people that the mainstream media are attacking and smearing, they can't afford to take everybody to court.So it's not a level playing field.And when the state broadcaster mobilizes its resources to attack bloggers, Twitter users, members of the public, they feel that threatened.This is absolute 100% pure fascism.There's no other way to describe it. I mean, honestly, they have billions in their budget.They could easily be outperforming all of the alternative media in terms of content.They could take all of the audience if their content was actually engaging, interesting, non-biased, objective, and fact-based.But it's not.They're a propaganda arm of the government, of the establishment, of the security services.This is what they become, and they don't do real investigative journalism.The best investigative journalism on the BBC is probably Tony Robinson and Time Team, or these programs, and they're breaking news. Four hundred years ago, we just discovered Watt-Tyler's rebellion or whatever.They're good at those sort of investigations, breaking news 400 years later, but in terms of what's happening today and doing it in an unbiased way, no, they're there to protect the state and whatever the agenda is of NATO, uh, whatever the agenda is of the Anglo-American establishment in Syria, for instance, I mean, look at they, the BBC, I mean, they've never come clean on the fact that they reported building seven on nine 11.They said it was, it was building seven collapsed. They did it live on TV while it was still standing behind them on the screen.I mean, so just on that, that's a, that should be a brand killer at that point.Then the cover-up of Jimmy Savile, I mean that's never been fully explained or no one's ever really come clean on that.And then they did a propaganda piece right before the parliamentary vote in August of 2013.You remember? There was a vote to go to war with Syria. David Cameron was prime minister and Ed Miliband, by the grace of God, but somehow, the vote failed by the slightest of margins.And Cameron put his head down in defeat and walked off. And there were temper tantrums on the floor of Commons.I remember very well watching that. The BBC did a propaganda piece called Saving Syria's Children, which was released on that day and clearly was meant to influence the vote in the public.And it was the worst piece of staged propaganda. It's been thoroughly exposed by multiple independent journalists, media outlets, and it is one of the worst things ever.A fake chemical weapon scene at a stage scenes at this hospital, and it was all done in the edit.Some of it was staged live. We find out that their drivers were Al-Qaeda affiliates.Literally they're working alongside terrorists.They've never come clean on that. I mean, that's just one example, two, three, four examples.I mean, how much do people need? When they come clean on their egregious violations and fake news and weapons of mass destruction and all the lies they've told, saying Jeremy Corbyn was a Russian agent and an al-Qaeda sympathizer, they did all that.And by the way, I'm not a labour supporter.It's not a partisan defence of Corbyn. I'll defend anybody who's being unjustly attacked by this egregious state propaganda arm, you know, in the defamation machine, which they run regularly against any potential threats to the establishment order, okay?Whether it's labour, Lib Dem, conservative, whatever.So you know, they need to come clean on this stuff. And the Corbyn anti-Semitism, the Bridgen anti-Semitism, I mean, these are damaging to politics.This is causing people to lose trust in the democratic system because there's all of this sort of, you know, these malicious politicized attacks were being facilitated by the mainstream media.So, they have no credibility. And this war in Ukraine, they have been reporting absolute lies from the beginning.They've been telling us the exact opposite of what's actually happening and there needs to be some kind of an inquiry over the mainstream media's coverage of this and it's provided the backing for the politicians to carry on with this proxy war, which is really dangerous in the sense that, you know, we're poking against another UN Security Council, a nuclear armed country in a proxy war, Ukraine is getting devastated as a result.And it will never come back to its normal shape. They'll be, the longer that they push this, the less, the smaller Ukraine will be in a year's time and more people will be dead.
Well, can I jump in because part of your journey started with questioning wars back in that March 2003 and it kind of seemed as though the media were united in concern about what was happening, there was not a rush to marching to war, it did seem to be holding the government to account, a lot of suspicion about the dossier that came out and a lot of questioning. Fast forward 20 years and it seems as though the media are desperate for this war to continue, they're desperate for it to escalate. I mean is that how you're seeing it as well?Oh, I honestly, I don't think, I think there's a level of delusionality that has set in.Right right through the establishment I think the problem with people in the mainstream media and government is and in Britain It's even worse because they banned Russian media outlets here. Literally the RT.com URL is banned so if you're, imagine this you're on a committee here on its National Security Committee, you're an MP, you can't even read the statements of Sergei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister. How can you possibly know how to act diplomatically or geo-strategically if you don't even know what the Russian position is? And you're not reading the data from the Russian Ministry of Defence to compare it against your battlefield reports to actually gauge how the actual combat situation is actually going. So our Our people in the West are marinated in just their own mainstream media propaganda.They cannot make informed policy decisions based on potentially skewed propaganda where by, you know, nobody in the defence industry is going to tell the truth to any politician.There might be a few that know the truth, but the rank and file MPs know, mainstream media is not there to do that. They're there to sell the war to us.They're there to sell the war to the public. So the public are still behind this kind of, you know, let's liberate Ukraine from the evil dictator Vladimir Putin, who woke up one day and decided to rekindle the glory of the Soviet Union on February 26th, 2022.Obviously that's a ridiculous narrative because there's a whole chain of events which happened prior to that, which led to Russia's military intervention in Donbass.But even saying that, Peter, in Germany, as we mentioned before the show, I think someone was arrestedrecently for defending Russian aggression.
Yes, I mean, but that is those three years for supporting or publicly supporting or defending Russian aggression. But actually it says, so the Hamburg court indictment revealed that the defendant had used social media to justify Russia's aggressive action against Ukraine, referring to Ukraine as a terrorist state.I didn't know that was wrong. And moreover, the defendant employed the the Russian symbol of military propaganda known as the Z, which is prohibited under German law. And that just blew me away, because Z is now banned in Germany.
It's unbelievable. You know, so if you state the facts, if you state the facts, they'll say, well, Russia has violated the territory integrity of Ukraine.That's an egregious violation of the UN Charter, Article 51.Ukraine can invoke the right to self-defence, OK?So that's the basic narrative. So all of a sudden, the Europeans, Britain, and America are interested in international law when it comes to military interventions, which they've completely ignored for the last 50 years.So now they're interested in it. So if I'd say that no, actually no, according to UN Charter Article 1, the other side to this coin in this argument is the right to self-determination.The republics of Donetsk and Lugansk in eastern Ukraine were basically victims of their own government raising the military, a NATO-backed armed military, against their own people in the east.So they defended their borders, raised a militia. They weren't given representation either in Kiev, in the Rada.So the illustration was the policy of Kiev, backed by Washington, backed by EU, saying don't recognize these people, they get no voice.They cut off utilities, they cut off, They're not paying the civil servant salaries, whatever.At that point, Kiev relinquishes its governance over Eastern Ukraine.So according to the UN Charter of Self-Determination, if you're attacked by your own government on the basis of being discriminated against, for instance, on your language or your ethnicity, or after a coup, and the oblasts in the east of Ukraine don't recognize the US-backed coup putsch, Beer Hall Putsch government, and then they're being attacked by the Ukrainian military, who's being armed and trained by NATO, foreign powers, funded as well, okay, they defend their borders, they raise a militia, they're taking civilian casualties in the Donbass, indiscriminate shelling from the Ukrainian army against civilians, Ukrainian civilians, because you have to remember, the West recognizes Donbass as Ukraine, so that means any civilians being hit by the Ukrainian military indiscriminately, they're killing their own people by definition. So you can't have it both ways, but they want to have it both ways. So they have a right under UN charter article one.Of self-determination, and then you have to declare autonomy, which they did.Then you have to be recognized by one of your neighbours in standing, which they did.And then they were then absorbed, had a referendum, and became part of the Russian Federation.So by international law, I could walk into court as an international lawyer and make a stronger case for the Donbass republics under international law for their independence than can be made for for Kosovo in Yugoslavia, you see.And this is up for argument, and this is what international lawyers do.And I've interviewed many of them, I've taken statements from them, I'm investigating, for instance, the International Criminal Court indictment in The Hague against Vladimir Putin and another Russian official for mass kidnapping Russian children.That's The Hague.And that's partly a British effort to issue that arrest warrant.The first white person ever indicted by the ICC, by the way, normally you just go after African leaders that the U.S. doesn't like.So it turns out this charge of mass kidnapping Ukrainian children and whisk them off to Russia, to camps or whatever, it's a total fraud, total lie.Investigative journalists have exposed this already. We'll probably, I'm going to interview one of them later this week.It's, they took families wanted their kids out of the war zone so they had special facilities almost like summer camps for the children of families who were in sensitive areas of the Donbass I mean, how is that a war crime?But that's how desperate they are so if I argue this in Germany, if I'm a German citizen, I could I could be a prosecuted for what, defending Russian aggression So defending aggression, so not even genocide anymore. It's not war crime. It's not, I don't want to say the H word, but you can't even use genocide.So now it's just aggression. So aggression is like a new, another arbitrary, phony international term for the establishment.You know, so they don't, what they're doing is, and this is what the BBC and everyone do, they frame your reference of any issue or situation, they narrow the framing of it, very, very narrow, and within that they can dominate. As soon as you have an intellectual logical, rational conversation with historical context, and taking cause and effect into account, which the mainstream media do not like doing, then you have a different debate. Then, if things are really open for argument and you can see that actually their case is not very black and white, it's not open and shut. They're using the brute force of media and government to make it an open and shut case, but it's not. And I think the international community in the West are realizing that most of the world's population don't buy it and that's where we're heading into an interesting point in history right now.Can I just end up looking at the political side and as much as I would like to see President Trump back in the Oval Office, I'm intrigued by Robert Kennedy Jr.And he seems to be one of the few, maybe the only presidential candidate who are against this war and want peace. And I guess it's all part to do with the military system.I think the US has spent over 100 billion. No wonder they're hitting their debt ceiling. But it's Robert Kennedy seems to be a voice of reason in this. And I'm kind of wondering what your thoughts are and whether that will actually get out to the people at large.
Yes, and look, I wouldn't generally vote Democrat, but I would consider voting for RFK in this election. I would because he is competent and has a grasp of the big issues.And that's really important. And we're at a very critical time in American history and in world history as well.What's happening in Ukraine and what NATO is attempting to do, which is to drop a new Iron Curtain right along the Polish border, right down to Romania, to the Black Sea, and then militarizing that Iron Curtain in a way that we haven't seen since the post-World War II period.This is serious. So any president who doesn't have a grip on this, so RFK is incredibly adept, intelligent, and I like what he's saying.Donald Trump cuts right through everything and basically says, I'm going to end the war in 24 hours, typical Trump style.And do I doubt him? Absolutely not.Can he do that? You bet he can. Donald Trump can do it.Any political leader that has got the balls and doesn't care what the press are going to say or the foreign policy blob.And all the intelligence Machiavellian agents that are working to extend the war, to extend the profits for all these military contractors, and extend the killing, okay?All of these people, Donald Trump will, he's one of the only people as a populist who could achieve that.And I would say, therefore, and I think you brought up a good point, Peter, you know, a left-wing populist or a right-wing populist, you know, when it comes to those big existential issues, you know, I'm willing to sacrifice on some domestic issues for the greater of humanity, knowing that the leader that we have is going to make sure that this does not happen.There's not going to be a nuclear war or a thermonuclear exchange, and that we are not going to be permanently at war with a major UN Security Council member. Like, that means something to me, enough that I would back Robert F. Kennedy or Donald Trump. So, like, I don't see that from any other candidate, not that definitive clarity.This brings us to the other important question, Peter.Is Donald Trump working in the interests of the people of the United States, the national interest, the national security interest, or is he working for the globalists or the other sort of international transnational establishment?Clearly he's acting and speaking in the interests of the people, the national interest.Okay, what about Vladimir Putin? Is he acting in his national interest?Or is he acting in the interest of some amorphous Russian elite?It looks like an existential threat to the Russian Federation.So whatever, you might not like how things are playing out, but he's absolutely acting in his national interest.And Donald Trump would probably do the same if there was a Chinese expeditionary force in Baja, Mexico, that were persecuting and shelling American English speaking citizens in Northern Mexico.And then threatening to position nuclear missiles along the Texas border.The US would act and it would be done. It would be done in 24 hours. They'd bomb Mexico City.I'm telling you, the thing would be over. So Russia is taking it very slowly. Donald Trump recognized this. He knows that he could probably stop it. Jeremy Corbyn or Robert F. Kennedy, they would probably make the same pledge, although they don't have the strength.RFK would have the strength and the fortitude.Corbyn, maybe not.Um, but, uh, but so, so that's, that's my position on that.Yeah. And, uh, what about the British prime minister? I don't know.I don't even know who's in charge.
Uh, who does? We do change quite a bit of this musical roundabouts or pass the parcel.Um, but of course, uh, you saw the, the big hug that Rishi Sunak gave to, uh, to Zelensky whenever he landed, best buddies, beautiful bro-mance. So I think it's just more and more money for Zelensky from there.
Yeah, I feel bad. He's the bigger they are, the harder they fall and they've built this guy up to be this international saint stroke war hero stroke.And I'm afraid, is it going to be a martyr as well to the cause?I don't know, but it's, um, yeah, uh, clearly a propaganda construct, the whole, the outfit, the green t-shirt showing up at the Arab league, wearing the green outfit, I mean, disrespectful to the leaders there.Uh, that didn't go well again to the G7, again, the green outfit is like constantly at war.It's like Manuel Noriega all over again.You know, it's just, it's, it's, it's ridiculous at this point.And anybody who thinks that Vladimir Zelensky is in charge of anything in Ukraine, there's nobody in Ukraine that's in charge of anything.On the global sovereignty index, they're at the very bottom.We're paying, the United States is subsidizing in Europe, the civil service salaries, they're paying soldiers salaries, they're paying their utilities, they're paying for their army, they're subsidizing their economy, what's left of it.They handpicked their government, the United States did, that's proven.So, they're dictating to them what their foreign policy is going to be, et cetera.Whether they can or can't negotiate a peace settlement, they have zero sovereignty.So whoever's at the moment who's in charge in Kiev, they have no real decision making.The US could end it in a minute.Just one phone call saying, it's over, Monday, get ready for peace negotiations. And it's over.We're not giving you any more weapons, so you're on your own.And if they say they're on their own, they're like, well, this isn't going to work out with Russia.So we better call for, sue for peace at this point.That's not happening. That's very disturbing.And what's more disturbing is the craven attitude of European politicians that believe this is a cost-effective arms length war, that somehow it's economical.We're going to wear the Russians down and you know, we're going to, we're going to break the Russian economy.I think the European economy has suffered more arguably than the Russian economy has as a result of this historic embargo of a major global power.It's backfired badly.And it's leading to all sorts of, it's cascading in all sorts of bad outcomes for the US dollar as a world reserve currency, the energy markets as well, all sorts of negative outcomes. And the worst would be a military exchange between NATO and Russia. I mean, we don't know where that's going to end. But we do know in history, you know, it's, when you look back, you know, when we we studied World War I and World War II, especially World War I, the lesson at the end was always with the teacher, I remember saying, this was just madness and we've never seen anything like this and hopefully we'll never see it again.We've hopefully learned our lessons and warfare isn't done like this anymore, et cetera.And we're all scratching our heads thinking as students, how could the people, leaders of Europe have been that stupid to allow this carnage.That could have been totally avoidable.But there was this idea that it was inevitable, that war was inevitable.And you're hearing this from politicians on both sides of the Atlantic that war is inevitable and war with China as well is inevitable.Okay, so from that I realized now I finally, after all these years, I figured it out that yes, we are stupid enough to do it again.Our leaders are dumb enough and naïve and short-sighted and corrupt.Yes, history can repeat itself, even in the modern technological age.And that's the big realization that we need to start taking home and stop taking for granted that these things can't happen.Yes, they can happen, and they will happen, and they are happening as well.And so people, I think, need to get a lot more engaged in Europe, especially, and in the UK as well, and in America.They really need to get more engaged on this issue because we don't know how,everything, Bilderberg's a good example. At the Bilderberg, the whole agenda predicated on crisis. So one crisis to the next and which companies and which transnational powers intelligence agencies, how they're going to marshal the crisis in order to implement new policies and more control and a new agenda. So if that's the underlying motivation, what could be a bigger crisis than, you know, an escalation of a major war in Europe? So what does that mean? What does the post-war society in order look like? More surveillance, less freedoms, less civil liberties, less travel, closed borders.A lot of the things that we saw during COVID, Peter, and lockdown, that was the war without the war. And we got a taste of it.That's nothing. In some ways, that's nothing compared to what a post-war order will look like in the West.Not in the East, but in the West.So people need to think long and hard about some of these issues.
Patrick, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your two decades of journalism and experience and analysing some of those. So thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you, Peter. I appreciate it.
And just remind people where they can find you on TNT Radio.Oh yeah, yeah. So you can see our work at 21stcenturywire.com, as you mentioned.TNT Radio, five till seven UK time, Monday to Friday, UK column, and we're usually on Fridays, 1pm, ukcolumn.org, amazing media outlet, great news program, of course. And also Twitter, on Twitter live, Twitter spaces Wednesday evenings usually we do a major roundtable discussion, we just did one last night a recent on the on the Bilderberg, G7 and the WEF, like where is the power lie with these globalist institutions, we had a great panel assembled for that including Tony Gosling is a great independent journalist out of Bristol who covers Bilderberg as well so we're getting some of these great guests on to handle these big topics and then we invite, is free to join and you just jump into the room on Twitter and we do audience Q&A's, so that's the other, the new live show that we've added to the mix.
Okay, well that's all available for all our viewers and listeners, but thank you Patrick and thank you to our viewers for listening or if you're downloaded on any of the podcasting apps on Podbean or elsewhere, thank you for joining us and thank you for, we just had 200,000 downloads, so thank you for helping us hit that and on to the next milestone, but I wish our viewers and listeners a wonderful rest of your day. I will be back with you very soon. So thank you and goodbye.

The Week According To . . . Liz Phillips

The irrepressible Liz Phillips is back, shooting from the lip while looking at some of the stories that have caught our eye in this weeks news and on social mediaLiz is the former PA to previous UKIP leaders Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten and does not pull any punches so we cant wait to hear her thinking on the topics this week including... - Tories break immigration record for the second year running as new figures released.- Hate not Hope: Monitoring the 'Migrant Hunters'- St George of Sheffield: Local council remembers career criminal, George Floyd, 3 years since his overdose.- Mass purveyors of disinformation, The BBC, unveils 'Verify' to address disinformation and build trust with audiences through transparency. Lol.- Another day and another hotel being proposed to hold hundreds of immigrants, this time in Wales, leaving the council 'extremely concerned'- Irritating TikToker fined for entering homes in 'prank'.- Senior serving UK police officer, Mo Aziz, whose work was recognised in the Queen's Birthday Honours List in court to face multiple rape charges. - Unsustainable: 616K new homes are needed each year just to keep up with the levels of immigration.- Disgrace: Man trying to get to work moves 'Just Stop Oil' activists out the way and the police go after him.- Summer in Dublin: Tent city.- Religion of Peace: We remember Lee Rigby, murdered in 2013 and the Manchester Arena bombing where 22 lost their lives in 2017.Liz Phillips was brought up as a farmer's daughter in rural Kent in South East England. She has led a varied life, working in many industries including animal feed manufacturing, fencing, paper making and security.Liz was on the management team that opened the first ever Argos store, she owned and leased three restaurants in Mid Wales and has even managed a 5000 acre estate in France!! A member of both the Referendum Party and UKIP working latterly for Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten as PA, to help achieve the referendum and Brexit vote.Liz also has fond memories of working with the late Stuart Wheeler to reach the same goal and has been married to an ex serviceman for the last 34 years.Originally broadcast live 27.5.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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Dr Sherri Tenpenny - The Tenpenny Files, RFK Jr, Tucker Carlson and Health Security

Welcome to a special podcast exclusive edition of our latest Dr Sherri Tenpenny interview. A huge thankyou from Peter and the team at Hearts of Oak to all our podcast subscribers for helping us reach the milestone of 200k downloads.To celebrate we are releasing this interview with Dr Sherri as a 'podcast only' exclusive just for you! In this chat we discuss her regular show, 'The Tenpenny Files' and some of her latest guests including David Icke. We then unpack her recent website article, "5 Aspects of Personal Security" and we discuss the cancellation of Tucker Carlson and the presidential bid of Robert F Kennedy Jr. Tucker having been removed by Fox and the truth has yet to come out while RFK Jr has announced his candidacy for the Democrat Presidential Nomination. How will all this change the debate on vaccines? So join us for this special episode as Dr Tenpenny gives her views on all this and more, together we can keep the conversation going. Dr Sherri Tenpenny’s mission is to save lives and more importantly, to save souls.To be the voice for those who are silenced and to educate the uninformed.To shine light, expose the dark and advocate for those who have been harmed by themedical industry.Sherri is an osteopathic medical doctor, board certified in three medical specialties.Widely regarded as the most knowledgeable and outspoken physician on the adverse impact that vaccines can have on health.She has been a guest on hundreds of radio and national television programs.Sherri has lectured at Cleveland State University and Case Western Reserve Medical School, and has been a speaker at conventions, both nationally and internationally, as a recognized expert on a wide range topics within the field of Integrative Medicine.Dr. Tenpenny is the author of several books, including best seller, 'Saying No To Vaccines'.She is contributing author for several other books including 'Textbook of Food and Nutrients in Disease Management'.Her articles for magazines have been published in over 10 languages around the world.From 1986 to 1998, she was a full time Emergency Medicine physician and the director of the Emergency Department in Findlay, Ohio.Dr. Tenpenny’s corporate experience includes serving as the Medical Director at Sanoviv Medical Center, a 40-bed hospital located in Rosarita, Mexico in 2008 and Chief Medical Consultant for Parker Hannifin, a Fortune 250 Company with 60,000 employees in 48 countries, from 2012 to 2014.Currently, she attends to patients two days per week at Tenpenny Integrative Medical Center, located in Cleveland, Ohio, where patients from nearly all 50 states and 17 countries have gotten well using a combination of conventional and holistic therapies.Follow and support Dr Sherri at the following linksSubstack: https://drtenpenny.substack.com/https://tenpennywalkwithgod.substack.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/busydrtGab: https://gab.com/BusyDrTCloutHub: https://clouthub.com/Dr_TenTelegram: https://t.me/BusyDrTInstagram: https://instagram.com/busydrt?utm_medium=copy_linkBitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/QN8kAob1zRJ7/Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-593647Podcast https://tenpennyfiles.podbean.com/Website https://www.drtenpenny.com/Interview recorded 9.5.23*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstin and Twitter https://twitter.com/TheBoschFawstin?s=20 To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
Transcript
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Hello, Hearts of Oak. And this is a special edition interview for you who listen on the go.All of you who download and listen on any of the podcasting apps that we have on Podbean, we want to thank you for downloading 200,000 times. It's exciting to see the numbers on all of the podcasting apps grow and grow month by month. And as a thank you to you for your support and for using all the podcasting apps, we wanted to give you this Dr. Sherri Tenpenny interview.Now, it's the third interview we've done with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. This is not going to be available as a video to anyone else. It is for you who listen on the go as a thank you for your support.Now, we talk about lots of things with Dr. Tenpenny, talk about the Tenpenny Files podcast, she puts out regularly. Her past one, latest one was David Icke, so we discussed that.And then we go into five aspects of personal security, and this was an article she put up on her website, and it looks at health security, food security, financial security, home security, and spiritual security. So we delve into those and what those mean for her personally. And then we finish up on Tucker Carlson and Robert Kennedy Jr., different sides of the political spectrum.One is championing truth using media and Robert Kennedy Jr. is now running for Democratic presidential nominee and I asked Dr. Sherri Tenpenny what were her thoughts on that. A lot packed in as always and you will love listening to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and thank you for downloading, thank you for listening, Thank you for passing on all those podcasts to friends, family.We appreciate it. And we couldn't have done it without you. So thank you.And here is Dr. Tenpenny
And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have Dr. Sherri Tenpenny back with us, I think for the third time. Dr. Tenpenny, thank you for your time today.(Dr Sherri Tenpenny)
Oh, thank you so much for having me.
Not at all. And of course, everyone can find you @BusyDrT, which is on the screen there on Twitter, Gab, Truth Social.There are other social media sites and you can get a full list on drtenpenny.com.You can go there and go to the more section and the social media and get a whole list of everywhere, including Rumble, CloutHub, all the video sections.So everything is there on the website, which makes it so much easier.But Dr. Tenpenny, I saw a number of your recent guests on Tenpenny Files podcast.And David Icke I saw as your most recent, and just before that was Peter McCullough.Do you wanna just tell us a little bit about your guests and how subscribing and actually paying a monthly subscription actually benefits you and helps you to continue doing what you're doing?Well, you know what they say is it takes a village to raise a child.Well, it takes a village to run a big organization.You know, we have lots of podcasts. I do seven podcasts a week.We have lots of other things that we do in terms of our online stores.A lot of the writing that I do, I do two substacks a week. And then I do a lot of travel and speaking at conferences.And there's just a big organization that is behind that. And people frequently say to me, what can we do to support you?I mean, how can we, how can we help? Well, there's two things. I always tell people that that are the best number one please be sure to keep us all in your prayers. I mean, it's really important, you know the work that we do we have to stay healthy. We have to stay safe, We've always got people that are always coming after us whether it's a state medical board or whether it's you know online trolls or whether it's fact-checkers or whoever the heck it is, you know.So praying for our health and welfare and safety is number one and we're greatly appreciative for that, The other is if you just support the things that we do.I mean, if you're gonna buy vitamins anyways, we appreciate you shopping with us.You know, I always love our swag and the things that we have inside of our store.In fact, I always tell people, you know, I buy my own stuff.I buy my own swag, you know? So this is a cup that I use.It says, normal isn't coming back, but Jesus is.And so, you know, I got my own t-shirts and sweatshirts and I literally purchase them.They don't come to me for free.So we do that. And then our podcasts, there's four different levels.If you go to drtenpenny.com and you hover over the podcast tab, there's four different levels of podcasts.And we've done that to sort of respect people's times and people's budgets, because there's lots of podcasts that people want to listen to, and there's lots of things that they want, and maybe they've only got limited time.So there's four different levels that you can do that to support us.You know, if you join the premium podcast members, you get, not only do you get all of the, this week with Dr. T, we do a special podcast every week.It's called The Deep Dive with Dr. T, which I think two of the podcasts that you were referring to with David Icke and Peter McCullough, and it's for every one of our guests that we do the online broadcast on Monday morning at 9 a.m.It's called This Week with Dr. T, which is sort of a what's going on in your life and tell us about your book and what you're kind of doing, what do you think about politics and things like that.And then The Deep Dive is a second one only for our premium podcast members that talks about, we do an interview with people on a much more personal level because a lot of people know us from our stage presence or by our reputation, like they know me talking about vaccines and things like that, but they don't really know who you are. And so I start the first question on the deep dive. Where were you born?Tell us a bit about your childhood. And how did you decide to go to be fill-in-the-blank, an astrophysicist a doctor or whatever?It is and some of those things that come out that you learn about people you just had no idea because you know them as this like David Icke is this big, you know, personality that's been a big writer and been around for a long time, been quite controversial and then when you ask them about what really motivates you what keeps you going in this fight, I mean, what do you see is the biggest problem in the world?And when you're not working, what do you like to do for fun?You know, and those are the kinds of questions that we do on the deep dives.And so those are only for our premium podcast members.And I took some time off in them in April for another project.I was working on and I needed to get some rest quite honestly.And so we played some of the deep dive.We played some of the deep dive interviews that just to kind of show people what they get as part of their premium podcast benefit.They also get 15% discounts on all of the supplements and on the on the swag that we sell and we do lots of four-part courses.That they get lifetime access to for educational benefits.And so we really try to make it a win-win, you know, when they support us financially, we try to provide back to them things that they really want.And on Friday, we have an email that's called Friday Focus, that's usually topically related.So on Friday, say, I think last week was about kids. So we had an article about children, And then there would be a vitamin and maybe a vaccine course.And we're affiliates with MyPillow. And MyPillow has these really cool childhood pillowcases that have Bible stories on them so that when you put your kid to bed at night, you can talk about Noah and the Ark.You can talk about those sorts of things. And so we make it educational, informational, and promotional because we can't do this for free. And we have a lot of people who say, I can't believe you're not doing this for the cause.And I always like to say back to them, well, do you have a job? Yes.Well, then this is what I'd like you to do. I would like you to go to your boss this week and say to your boss, for the next month, I am gonna work for no paycheck.I'm gonna work for free, just for the cause of this company, just to make sure this company's going.And of course, I don't get any takers, that sort of thing. But you know, it kind of puts it in context.You know, this is work, it's the time, it's what we do. It's like the same for you.I mean, people don't understand that when you have an online business, there's a lot of expenses that go along with it.And when you do podcasting, there's a lot of expenses and a lot of work that goes behind that because they're seeing the final product. So we try to make it mutually beneficial that we provide things. We do surveys quite frequently asking people, what do you want? What do you like? What do you not like? What do you wish we'd stop talking about? You know, things like that. So we try to make it beneficial.So if people are interested, they can go to drtenpenny.com and hover over the podcast tab and see what's there. And you can see all the special events that are there and you can pick and choose what you want.
Tell me, because on the front of your website, DrTenpenny.com, you say doctor and voice of reason about vaccines and current events. And it's intriguing watching, as we've all watched the last three years unfold, people bringing their expertise into the vaccine side, into the harms, into all of that development. But then that widening, because realizing what has happened over the last three years actually is that, but also much more. What is it like for you? I'm always intrigued talking to individuals as doctors that actually have widened up past the simple medical side to other events that are happening that feed into that. Can you just kind of talk into that thinking, that understanding, and that widening your approach?
Well, I've been doing this for 23 years, so it was just a natural extension for me to go from talking about the paediatric childhood schedule and the problems with that, and that there's no such thing as safe, there's no such thing as effective, there's no such thing as necessary, and that all shots, no matter which one you're talking about, can all cause harm. And I started into that realm, I would say took a deep dive in that rabbit hole But way back in September of 2000 and I've written several books and I've done hundreds if not thousands of interviews on Podcasts and television and etc on that. So when the COVID shots came out, it was just a natural, extension, lateral move extension to me to go, oh, what's this all about? And you know, I understood from, day one. I mean, I remember in March of 2020 when this all started to roll out, I mean in the very first, you know news conference that had Trump and Birx and you know Fauci and the crew and I remember, you know sitting upstairs in my upstairs office where I'm sitting at the computer like this and the television is like right over there and I'm watching it and I'm thinking whoo, this is really bad. You know, this is really a spiritual warfare that we're about to engage in and, You know, we better roll up our sleeves and get busy and so I prayed about it and I said Lord, what do you want me to do with this?I mean, you know, I've been doing all these things for the last 23 years.Like now what?And I just in my spirit just heard him say back to me, carpet bomb the neighborhood.I was like, what does that mean?So I looked up the word carpet bomb. You know, it's like I always say when, you know, I say this frequently, the thoughts are things, words have power and definitions are important.So when I looked up carpet bomb, what it says is is massively as wide and bright, broad and deep as you possibly can in the shortest period of time, do whatever it is you're going to do.I'm paraphrasing, but that gives you the idea.So I'm like, okay, so that means I need to do a lot of this.So I contacted Michelle, my assistant, and I said, roll up your sleeves, buttercup.You know, and buckle up, we're going to really be flying here. So in 18 months, I did over 600 interviews. And just to put that in context for your listeners, I usually do about 30 a year.So I did over 600, just warning people about the myth of the mask, the nonsense of the social distancing, the fraud and danger of the PCR testing, and what was coming through these experimental shots. And in May of 21, I did a webinar called the 20 Mechanisms of Injury of how the COVID shots can harm you or can make you chronically sick or kill you.Bad planning on my part, that happened. I plugged it in on Mother's Day weekend, and I had all these people who said to me, could you do it again? I really wasn't available for that. So we did it again in July, and by then I came up with 20 more mechanisms of injury, so a total of 40 mechanisms of injury of how the COVID shots can make you chronically sick or kill you. And it was really, really broadly and widely accepted. I had a lot of people that enrolled in that webinar. That was in July of 21. And it was been so interesting to me from July of 21, rolling forward all the rest through 21, 22, and now into 23, seeing just the plethora, like almost like drinking from a fire hose of how many articles and documentation and things like,things that like Ed Dowd is doing with the all-cause mortality and Peter McCullough is coughing out every day on his Substack and all of us that everything that is that has happened since then I saw that all and did it in July of 21. so I've watched this sort of continue to roll out and it's interesting of how many people that knew nothing about this who are are now like the superstars on the stage.And they're kind of new to the game. They're kind of just kind of showing up to the last minute here, but hey, better late than never.And if they can use their notoriety and their CV with their long list of credentials.I mean, Peter McCullough has so many credentials behind his name.It takes up two entire lines on a piece of paper to write all of his initials.And honestly, I don't even know what most of them stand for.And I'm a physician, but it's just, If you can use your level of criteria and your credentials to get mainstream media's attention, even if it's Fox, if it's not really CNN, whoever you can get that to happen.Then that's gonna save lives and that's really what's important.
Dr. Tenpenny, you talked about kind of the political side of it and looking at the huge battle between the Democrats, Republicans over this.And then into the mix steps, Robert Kennedy Jr. and announces as he is standing as a Democrat nominee for presidential candidate.That intrigued me. I've obviously watched him, not much before, but actually over the last three years and been intrigued and inspired by a lot of what he's done. And then he announced his running for this candidacy for president. What are your thoughts on that? Kind of what he brings on the medical understanding?
Well, I've known Bobby personally for a long time. You know, we've had dinner together multiple times. We've shared the stage at various conferences. He's wicked smart.He's really, really smart.And he can rattle off that data and statistics and articles that he's read unlike almost anybody else I know.I know that, I personally think he's being very brave.And now that he's come out in the last couple of days and said, it's the CIA who killed my dad and my uncle.I mean, I know that a lot of people early on said, Well, I hope that he's not the next Kennedy that's shot.And because he's pretty fearless and for him to take such a strong stand, which he has for the last three years, about things that's all wrong about these mandates and these COVID shots.He's been an environmental lawyer most of his career. And I heard him speak just the other day saying that, yes, I believe in the environment, but I do not believe in this green agenda.I mean, it's just one more weaponizing thing against the American public.Yes, do we need to do something about the environment? Yes, but that's not it.You know and and I'm hoping that he'll be able because of he is a Kennedy And he is a democrat that is putting forth more of a conservative message, about the about the green movement about mandates about these shots and about, You know all the things and he wrote this whole book about Fauci, you know, like the real Fauci and I'm exposing that, that he will get air time on some of the mainstream shows you know talking shows and also interviews that and will put this information out in front of people who've just been CNN devotees this entire last three years and have no idea that there's another side to the story. So whether Bobby gets to the place where he's actually a candidate and a serious candidate as far as real politics go, I think between now and then he's going to do an amazing, wonderful job for humanity, for the American people.I think he's being very brave for what he's doing, but he's pretty fearless because he just believes truth is truth and right is right.And I think it's going to be a very, very interesting couple of, you know, few months leading up to this.And I hope that mainstream media will really listen to him speak.I mean, it's sort of like when Trump first came on the scene, nobody would let him speak either, you know?And now we already, excuse me, we already know that one of Bobby's interviews, I mean, they cut out many of the things out of the interview that they didn't like, and they admitted that they cut it out because it went against their policy.I mean, like, if that doesn't start waking more people up that, like I said, have been still claimed that they don't know or whatever, I don't think there's anything that can.But I think that Bobby would, I think if he ever got to the place where he was actually elected as president.I think he would be a very, very, he'd be kind of like Trump in terms that he would be a disruptor.Because even though he's a Democrat, I mean, he's got his blood runs with the word Democrat in it.I mean, literally, his family is the representative of the Democratic Party and always has been.He doesn't tow the Democratic Party line, not even the JFK, his uncle's Democratic Party line.So he's in because he spent so much time with all the rest of us that are kind of Trump conservatives, You know And he's got his own opinions about Trump and how that actually happened remember that Trump had approached him right early on and wanted to have him do this vaccine safety commission and, Bobby's side of that story is that he went back and put together a panel of people and contacted people and every time he went back to the Trump administration to try to move that forward he was stonewalled and sort of tossed underneath the bus.And we've subsequently learned that that was probably Pfizer representatives that were kind of doing that.But it could be very, very interesting as he moves forward into his political career.
Because what you have had so far, I guess, is a debate in the Republican side.And a quite fierce debate moving over to scepticism and concern of the rollout.But on the Democrat side, it's been absolute silence. So to have him dropped into that actual debate, I'm looking forward to having him as one of the candidates because he cannot be ignored.And this issue is put out into that section of society that refuses to accept it.So to me, it's really exciting.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's gonna be very interesting.And when I said earlier about people praying for me, I think we should all be praying for Bobby, seriously for his safety and for his message, and for how he's gonna move forward into this deep state, horrible sort of political system that we find ourselves in these days.It's gonna be interesting.One of the things about getting message out, I guess, is media and obviously watching what's happened with Tucker Carlson, as none of us can see behind the curtain, not yet anyway.Hopefully it'll all be revealed. But one of his recent interviews, I think he gave before he knew he was going to lose his job at Fox.And he said, the media's job was not to inform you.They're working for the small group of people who actually run the world.They are the servants, and we should treat them with maximum contempt because they have earned it. I mean, it,It's the media have a huge role in in the cover-up on the last three years andI mean what are your thoughts about, because Tucker has always been, I thought was full-on wanting to talk the truth, been fully red-pilled, but I guess there were constraints there in a network. Now that he doesn't have those constraints, I'm quite excited about where he goes. I mean how have you viewed that as an individual and then the wider media debate?
I totally agree with you, you know, and I've listened to some of Tucker's offline interviews that he's had with people like yourself or other, you know, alternative media, people with platforms, and I've just listened to him talk about his background and his pursuit in truth, however that lands.And it'll be interesting to see what he does when the chokehold is off, because he was really pushing the envelope.It reminded me an awful lot of back, oh, how long ago was this now?10, 12 years ago, when Glenn Beck was on Fox and how he really pushed the envelope, you know, with his big chalkboards and all the pictures and he was connecting all the dots.He was really pushing the envelope in terms of calling out people in a spade a spade.And I've kind of wondered if Tucker might join, you know, the Glenn Beck network or set up something similar on his own where he can just tout freedom of speech.He can have anybody that he wants on a bit.You know, I think that when he did the interview with Elon Musk and he did that full on interview with Trump. I mean, I think that the powers that be at Fox said that's enough. We just can't do this.Completely. I just want to take a piece you put on, people can obviously find on the Substack, but also directly on the website. And one piece was five aspects of personal security.And I want to pick on some of those that you started off by talking about health security.And you said you can't have maximum security if you can't have good health.And I think that's been brought to the fore over the last three years.And then in that, you talk about your immune system and you talk aboutdifferent supplements that are taken, and I know this is an area that you've taken on, that you have products you promote. Do you want to tell us about that? Because I know some people look at it sceptically on supplements. Some people think, well, they eat enough, and then you realize actually a lot of the food you eat doesn't necessarily work its way right into your immune system, that is wasted. But tell us about your thoughts on that and how, I guess, the benefits of making sure you take supplements to maximize your immune system.We always used to say, let your food be your medicine. And that's when you could get guaranteed good food, you know, that was actually vine-ripened, grown organically, not sprayed with with pesticides or this new stuff that they're calling apeal to make it stay around forever.I mean, with this chemical E-471 in it, that we have no idea, there's no very little research on it even.I mean, the patent itself says, we don't know what happens when you heat it and we don't know how much you can take and how much is dangerous and how much is not, but it doesn't really matter. We'll just spray it on all of our fruits, fruits and vegetables, right?Kind of like the COVID shots. No long-term studies, no experimental trials, even in animal, but not to worry.It's safe and effective, just take it.So we used to be able to say food is our medicine. And when we could eat organic and eat vine ripened things, not things that were picked way prematurely and aged with chemicals, that would be really good.But since our soils are depleted now, our soils are contaminated with things in the air.When I grew up, I grew up on a farm and my father was a chiropractor, but he was what at the time they would call a resident farmer, which means that we had a big farm, but we rented out the land to local farmers to farm them.And I just so remember this, Peter, that the cash crops that you would do is you would do corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, soy.And in the seventh, you'd do corn, wheat, I'm sorry, corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, wheat.And in the seventh year, you would do soy.And what soy was at that point in time was that it was not a product.It wasn't like a food in the health food industry or all these terrible things they've done with this horrible stuff they call soy.It was ploughed it back into the soil.So at the end of the season, when the soybeans would all dry out, the farmers would go in and plow it into the soil because the stuff that's in the beans and the stock and in the leaves, it had high levels of nitrogen in it.And it was so restorative to the soil so that in the next round of corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, wheat, they had restored the soil.They don't do that anymore.And it was in about the 1980s when the powers that be, big food looked across the country and said, we've got 80,000 or 800,000 acres of soybeans out there.We could be eating that. Let's do something with that. So we ended up with these crappy things with all this junky soy in it, in terms of our food products. We've got depleted soil because we don't mineralize it and all the stuff, the chemtrails or whatever out of the air.We, and the manufacturing processes, process everything and put all the food additives and things in it.And I've long said, if you're reading a label on a box and you can't pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.And so it's, so with all of those things that we call food in air quotes.How can you possibly be getting the adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals and nutrients out of the stuff that's supposed to be your medicine?You can't.And so you really do need to supplement and take a really good quality multivitamin.There's other types of nutrients. There's a long list of things that you take according to various different conditions that you take.So I really believe in, when you learn when you're in medical school, and you learn in biochemistry, the Krebs cycle, which is how you turn your food into energy, those intermediate steps of that Krebs cycle, there are vitamins and minerals and things like coenzyme Q10 that turn the crank.So to think that it's stupid or that it's not relevant, or it's just a scam for people to make money, That means you don't know anything about nutrition and you know probably even less about biochemistry.The other thing on health security, I think, and we're certainly seeing here in the UK, I assume you are in the US as well, is massive waits to see doctors.And it does seem to be killing people, people on waiting lists for a massive amount of time.I know I phoned up with one of my children and I had phoned on and then was given a survey, had to fill in the survey, and then someone contacted me to go through the survey, and then I was put through to talk to someone who could then maybe make the appointment to see a doctor.It used to be so much simpler. It used to phone up, I'd be able to see someone.But I guess it's the same in the US, and that's putting a huge strain on a health system, which really should be there to look after the individuals, patients, the population.
Well, see, Peter, I have a little different view of that. I think that that's a good thing.I think, you know, unless you've got a broken bone, you're bleeding to death, you have blood in your stool, you have, you know, been vomiting for days and you're dehydrated.I think that people should learn to take better care of themselves and not abdicating some sort of care over to another human being in a white coat.You know I've long said Peter that you know we get you get one body in this lifetime that's it. You know you get how many cars, how many houses, how many different things and we take better care of our cars and our houses than we do of our bodies and we think, oh the doctor should know the anatomy. Well humans could learn a little bit about their body and how to take better care of it and if you took that if you did that and you knew those things and you weren't so afraid because we've been we have the entire health care system, it's really not even a healthcare system, it's a sick care system, all based on fear and all on that that person over there called a doctor should know how to take care of me. Well maybe we should learn a little bit more about how to take care of ourselves.There's lots and lots of books out there, you know, you may have to study a little bit, learn a little bit, there's websites, there's podcasts, there's all kinds of things that you could learn to take better care of this one thing you get for a lifetime called your own body. And unless you are really emergently sick, you know, I don't think that you really need to go to the doctor. So if the doctors become less accessible because there's a long wait for them, then maybe that should be a clue. Well, maybe I need to learn how to take care of these things myself. I mean, if you had to wait six months for a plumber to come to your house and fix your leaky faucet, you'd probably learn how to fix the leaky faucet, right? Or if you had, you know, if you had to wait for six months for an electrician to come and fix a plug, you'd probably learn how to go fix the plug yourself. Well, maybe we should apply that to our own situations, our own body, and our own real health care, instead of just abdicating that to someone else.
Yeah, well, personal responsibility does seem to be in short supply, Definitely.
Well said. But don't you agree with me that that is sort of how people, if you needed to wait for six months for a plumber, you wouldn't. You'd go out to YouTube, you'd go out to, go buy a book, you'd go ask your neighbour, do you know how to fix this? Teach me how to do this so so now I can do it myself.I mean, you know, maybe that long wait.Maybe that's not such a bad thing, at least for some of the lesser types of problems.
No, you're right. It is getting into thinking how our bodies work and not relying on a tablet, a medicine, an injection to fix it. Actually, what is wrong with your body? Think about how you look after yourself, health, food, all of that. And you're right, we've passed it over to to big pharma to fix this with medication.Yeah, for sure. And that there isn't a single one of us that has a condition because we're drug deficient. Not one of us. Now, with the sole exception of maybe insulin dependent diabetes, or, you know that you really do need something, or you've had an organ transplant and you need something to stop the rejection, but you didn't get a sinus infection or a headache or a back pain or a cough because you were drug deficient. You know, you need to think more about health because we've been co-opted to believe that symptom-free in the presence of drugs is health. And that's just not true. It's been one of those, you know, great American and great medical myth number 793, that we believe that that's the way it is when it really shouldn't be.
Let me just pick one, as we finish, one other issue, one other topic on the five aspects of personal security, which was food security.And you touched on this earlier. And I know for your Substack, you wrote about eating bugs and insects and this push from the WEF to this is now going to be future sustainment for the human population.And you actually in your Substack go into it in depth with a breakdown of which are good and which are bad.And what are your thoughts on that? Because it seems to be going against what we have believed as humans, that we have livestock, you have poultry, you have farming, and this is going to something completely different, which it seems to be pushed from the WEF.
The first part of that Substack and people could read it there was part one and part two I mean part for the first half of part one, you know, I talked about what people, what they're all saying about why this is such a good thing, you know that you you know you can have a pound of flour out of four to five thousand crickets and you know and it's more of a sustainability thing and you can have a cricket farm basically in your garage that you don't have to take up land. We don't have to deal with all those dirty farting cows that are contributing to global warming. We don't have to do any of those things, right? And that it's going to be so much better for us. And if you go out and you search for it, and you search for insect flower and edible insects and things like that, I'm going to say that unless you dig deep past the second fold of say a Google search or a DuckDuckGo, your only thing you're going to find is all of the wonders of why it's so wonderful to eat bugs and worms.So the first half of my Substack sort of talks about why they think this is so great.And then the second half of the Substack is, well, wait a minute, not so fast.I mean, bugs have parasites in them. Bugs have insects and viruses.Bugs, depending on what the bugs eat, will bring pesticides and all sorts of bad things to you.And that's one of the things they do talk about insect farming is that, you know, we have to feed the insects good stuff. Well, if insects are out in nature, do they differentiate between good stuff and bad stuff? They just eat. And so we don't know. And now there's this whole thing about insect poop, about cricket poop. And what are we going to do with the poop? And actually you can find cricket poop in jars for sale on Amazon because there's so much cricket poop now.And you can put it into your garden. I mean, we don't know what the long-term ramifications are of eating large quantities of this. And part of what their sustainability thing is that there's about 1,900 edible insects that have been identified globally.And we know that some populations like, say, Southeast Asia and maybe in the African Congo and in the Amazonian basis, where the protein is from the worms and the maggots and the crickets and the bugs that they eat, but they're eating them fresh.It's like eating, picking a tomato off the vine. It's not that they're processing them and chemicalizing them and then putting them on shelf somewhere. We don't know how long the shelf life should be. We don't know how much you should eat of this every day when it's been processed. There's a lot of unknowns that they're just sort of like when I mentioned this stuff appeal, you know, this A471 or E471, they really don't know much about it. They just started using it. So now we're doing this big thing to try to eliminate cattle and sheep and chickens and free range eggs and all the things that we have been used to eating, and they're kind of literally shoving the bugs down our throat. And I really think that people need to be highly cautious of it, and read the package inserts, and choose wisely. I mean there's now restaurants, there's one of the websites that I that I cited in that article, there's now restaurants popping up all over the world that are like insect things, insect everything's, like insect desserts, and insect coffees, and insect, insect alcohol drinks and insect flour that they, I mean, seriously, we need to stop because we have no idea on what that means to our bodies, to our own microbiomes, to what's happening to our gut.What happens when we poop out that stuff? What does that do?You know, and what does it do if you have composting and you're putting, you know, the compost into your garden and you've got crickets, cricket flour.I mean, there's so much we don't know that they just are deciding that this is what's good for us We need to do it.I enjoyed both parts, and the cricket poop was the thing that really stuck in my head.I did click through that link on Amazon. I did see it, but I didn't purchase it.
Isn't that interesting? I mean, seriously, that they've got bottled, encapsulated, cricket poop for sale in a jar somewhere. Crazy. Crazy, crazy.
Someone needs it, maybe. Very final, thought was I'm always intrigued as a Christian myself, people talk to me about what's happening and the confusion and chaos in so many areas, and I tell them, well, my certainty and confidence comes from, as a Christian, my belief in the Bible.And you also bring that out very regularly. Maybe we can just finish off on why that gives you, I guess, confidence and the ability to face everything that you do face.
Well, I got started verbally, really. You know, I made a big, big, big recommitment to the Lord.It was actually 1-1-2020. I was in an airplane coming home from St. Thomas. I'd met some people down there that really inspired me. And, you know, I'd grown up in a Christian home but had not been a practicing Christian at all. And had some things happened in the middle of 2019 that I could just feel God sort of like thunking on my head, hey you, hey you, you know, sort of thing.And I made a big commitment, Lord, I'm all in, a hundred percent in, whatever you want me to do, wherever you want me to be, whatever you want me to talk about, that was 1-1-2020.And then COVID comes March of 2020, so I guess the Lord kind of knew why he'd been thunking me on the head, right, to get busy.And then it was about June of 2020 that I was talking to Michelle, my assistant, and I said, this is so dark, it's just so dark.And she said, well, why don't we do a happy hour?And I think she meant more like, let's get together and have a glass of wine.But my idea of a happy hour was, let's talk about God.Let's talk about the Bible. Let's get together and study. And so we did.And so for five nights a week, and the verse that kept at me, Peter, that kept at me that may be,that just the Lord was just the Holy Spirit was just working on my heart was the verse that said that when Jesus said, if you will not declare me before men, I will not declare you before my Father in heaven. So it's like, well, I guess I, I don't know. Am I qualified to do this God?And then when you read over in, I think it's in, in first Corinthians where they were, or maybe it was an axe where they said, when he said, when you get pulled before people, don't worry about what you're going to say, I will tell you what to say. So when I started writing my Substacks and started doing it. We do Substacks now. It's called Happy Hour with Dr. T.It's two nights a week on Tuesday and Thursday nights. And then my Substack on Sunday is on Walking with God. It's like you just get quiet in your spirit and say, Lord, what do you want me to talk about? And something just comes. And he said in the Bible, it says, when you get called, don't be afraid of what you will say. The Holy Spirit will give you the words of what to say.So you just have to trust that. And you know that right now everything that's happening, everything that's happening is, you know, the Ephesians 6 warfare, right? That we are not fighting human beings. We are fighting powers and principalities of this present darkness.So we've got to fight spiritual with spiritual. You can't fight spiritual with guns and bullets, you know. So I think it's just important to encourage people that are Christians to be brave and bold in your faith. If you're a fence sitter, well, now's the time to get off the fence and get in the game and really be bold and brave for your Lord.You know, I don't think that, you know, when we look around at the satanic stuff that's like at the Super Bowl and there's a new play out on Broadway that's just so disgusting.It's the last, I don't know if you've seen it or seen any of the pictures.It's the Last Supper from a satanic perspective. And they have Jesus dressed up as a transvestite, transgender person.And I mean, those people, I would not want to be in their judgment seat, you know, and the people who are actually going and watching it.And so we are fighting, you know, that was the other thing, Peter, and I'll just conclude by saying this is that in March of 2020, when I looked across at that television, I said, Oh boy, we better get busy.You know, I, in my spirit, it was like, this is Satan's last hurrah.I mean, we're coming down to the final ending here, whether it's a week, a month, five years, ten years, however long it is, because the Lord Himself says, no one knows except the Father when the final days will be, but you will know by the signs. And what signs are we looking for? The signs that, as in the days of Noah, of how bad it was. And we are there. And so the other thing was, we Christians better get busy. We better get busy, because the satanic forces, the evil things on this planet. They are working 24-7.They don't give up for one minute. From everything, from your Bud Light beer can, to your television commercials, to every single thing you pick up, is about evil.And so if we're going to be Christians, then we better step it up and get the church back where it belongs, get His people back where it belongs, and to be brave and bold in what God tells us to do.
I think it's a perfect end to end on a hopeful theme and a call to action for those watching.Dr. Tenpenny, thank you as always for joining us and sharing your thoughts.
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Seth Gruber - The Lefts Love of Abortion, the Churches Silence and the Political Fightback for Life

Seth Gruber is such a powerful winsome pro life speaker and its such a pleasure to have him join Hearts of Oak today. He has been touring the US over the last 3 months speaking to educational institutions, local activists and churches. With the great news of the Supreme Court reversing Roe vs Wade we discuss with Seth how this is affecting the debate in America, why the left so passionate about killing babies and why are churches silent on this great evil. It seems that our media and sections of the population love death more than churches love life. Seth tells us how he is going church by church and pulpit by pulpit to strengthen the church and give its voice back for life, compassion and justice for future generationsSeth Gruber’s clear, concise, and persuading approach has impacted thousands across the United States, providing the tools for an audience to change the mindset of the pro-abortion population. In his later years in college, he challenged the institutions and others for their refusal to take a formal position on abortion, which accelerated the appreciation and understanding of Seth’s work among pro-life advocates, pregnancy facilities, churches, and the political domains across the United States. Seth quickly discovered the ignorant and widely indolent culture surrounding him both in and out of the church, and in the universities, which he responded with coordinated educational campaigns and booth displays, engaging with thousands of students on the topic of abortion. It also became obvious to Seth, the church needs to be awaken on abortion.Seth’s impact is real, changing the hearts and minds of so many on their position on abortion. Joining the Life Training Institute as a pro-life speaker, Seth is now a nationally renowned voice for life, the founder and president of The White Rose Resistance, which has its origins during Nazi holocaust to end the racism infiltrating the world. Pro-Life Ministries is another recent project that Seth is facilitating at churches across the 50 States and abroad. Giving countless speeches to over half a million people so far, and reaching millions through media, Seth Gruber has launched a powerful movement that is moving forward, impacting today’s generation and preparing a future generation on all platforms across the United States.Connect with Seth and The White Rose Resistance...WEBSITES: http://sethgruber.com/                  https://thewhiterose.life/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/sgruber91GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/sethgruberTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@sethgruberPODCAST: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unaborted/id1471076523Interview recorded 17.5.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Seth Gruber. Seth Gruber is the CEO and founder of the White Rose Resistance, host of Unaborted.And a Turning Point USA ambassador. And I've watched many of his debates, many of his podcasts.I bumped into him at a CNP conference in Miami in February. And he has such a winsome position on this. We've had other speakers and Seth brings something different. So we start with him presenting what the pro-life position is, why we need to remind ourselves the importance of standing up for those with no voice, those with few rights in society, and then we look at why the left are so passionate about abortion, why they're desperate, desperate to fund as much, as many abortions as they can. Where does that come from? So we talk about that craziness, I guess, in the left.A passion for death more than we have a passion for life. And then we go into the institutions. He's just been on a tour. Numerous tours, all sold out. He is based in California, but moving all across the country. Got another set of dates coming up in autumn, in the fall. You can check out that on on his website, sethgruber.com, and be a part of that if you are in the area.And he talks about engaging with the political sphere, engaging with local activism, engaging with the church, and why the church is so sound on this issue.Whether they should be the most vocal about standing up for the rights of those who have no voice. You'll love listening to Seth presenting this in such a winsome way.And hello Hearts of Oak. Today it is an honour to talk to the CEO and founder of the White Rose Resistance, host of Unaborted, a Turning Point USA Ambassador and that is Seth Gruber. Seth, thank you for your time today.
(Seth Gruber)
Yeah Peter, good to be on with you man, thanks for your program and being willing to talk about the issues that so many wont.
Always, as I said to you before we went on there. It's my red line as a Christian. How can you talk about life and not actually defend life? But we'll get into all that. All the links are sethgruber.com, thewhiterose.life and all the other links are in the description @sgruber91 on Twitter. Everything else is there. But just the white rose, that seeks to educate the public about the humanity of the unborn baby, to expose a grotesque immorality of the pro-choice position and inspire the church to accomplish her spiritual duty of ending the greatest injustice of our time. But if I could just, for the viewers and listeners, we have had pro-life speakers on before, including my good friend Scott Klusendorf, and we've had Jannique Stewart on a number of times. While being pro-life is not one of our key aims and organization. I think it's essential that our audience regularly hears a reasoned defence of the importance of life and for those watching who are Christians, they command all Christians, Proverbs 31.8 and many other places, but says speak out on behalf of the voiceless and for the right of all who are vulnerable and who is more voiceless than than the unborn. But that's my prelude. Seth, before we move into the issue and for our UK audience, probably 65% UK, 30% US, but who maybe do not know you, could I ask you to introduce yourself before we move on to the sanctity of life.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Peter. Yeah, I've been a pro-life activist since I was a foetus.So I've been in these waters, I guess, quite literally for a long time. My mother was the executive director of a pregnancy resource centre while pregnant with me in Los Angeles County.So she took over a centre in her late 20s in Azusa, California, which is right where APU is, Azusa Pacific University. And then she married my father and continued directing that centre until she gave birth to me, so she was waddling around the centre as the executive director, and only stepped down once I was born. We have the pamphlet announcing my mother stepping down from directing the Pro-Life Pregnancy Centre to welcome me and to be a stay-at-home mom.Then I did the Walk for Life every year and supported our local pregnancy centre. I was one of the top childhood fundraisers, although I was more incentivized by the free bicycles and Disneyland tickets, but at seven, eight, nine years old.Obviously I was swimming in those waters already and I had an understanding of something's going, something's wrong here, something's evil here.It wasn't until my senior year of high school, now I was home-schooled through eighth grade and then I went to public high school, and this is Whittier High School in Los Angeles County, it's actually Richard Nixon's alma mater, and they told me I couldn't pick the topic of abortion for my senior project.And so I, it's sort of, now I'm only embellishing a little bit here, Peter, okay?I basically said, here's a copy of the constitution. You're making me read a government class.I recommend you read it or you're gonna have a lawsuit on your hands.And so I actually did, I did threaten a lawsuit to Whittier High School at 18 years old, public high school.And, you know, they weren't ready for a classically educated home schooler.And so they backed off real quick.I did my senior project on the issue of abortion and I did my volunteer hours that everyone had to do to graduate.I don't know if they do this anymore, by the way. It used to be a little more difficult to graduate.You actually had to like work hard, but like you had to do a like 10 page research paper.You had to give a speech at the end of the year and you had to do field work hours that aligned with your topic selection.And so I did those at the Centre for Bioethical Reform, CBR, led by Greg and Lois Cunningham, my godparents, because my mother was on the board of directors for CBR when it was founded in 1990, in 1991.So, the first thing they had me do as a senior in high school was to scan 300 images of first trimester mutilated aborted babies on their high-end scanner and categorize the photos in their database for their educational projects.So, for two days straight, about six hour, two six hour shifts, I'm scanning and looking at choice.I'm scanning and looking at reproductive health care and women's rights, allegedly.And that was probably one of the biggest turning points in my life was actually being forced to look at the eyeballs, noses, faces, ears, fingers, hands, arms of slaughtered little children, all at the seven, eight, nine, and ten week stage.I mean, this is what I was told was pregnancy tissue by the culture.And I had never seen those photos before, even as a pro-life student with a mother who had been the director of a pregnancy centre, I had never seen those photos before.And so that we're talking about, of course, when 90% of abortions are performed, the first trimester, and when there's the greatest public support for abortion, the first trimester.And so then I went up to a Christian college in Santa Barbara, started a pro-life club there, learned that I was not so much amongst friends as I thought, I thought, Christian college, right, Peter, like everyone's pro-life, right?I was home-schooled, right? I mean, come on, every Christian's pro-life.How naïve I was. I did not realize that when I enrolled there as a freshman. I learned that there are pro-abortion professors on the payroll, actually, at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California. And some people, they really don't like when I go after my alma mater, and I'm not very popular there. I don't really care. Here are their names.Omidy Oceng, he no longer teaches there, though I took public speaking from him. He's pro-abortion.He once said in an email, he said that the students at Westmont College were best served when our chapel speakers invited us to tarry in the liminal spaces of complexity on the abortion issue.And then there's a Deborah Dunn in the Communication Studies Department who I had an email debate with, who had advertised the Planned Parenthood, no, a internship with the local Planned Parenthood, funded and sponsored representative named Lois Capps.She's only like pro-abortion through point of birth, Peter, like in Santa Barbara, local politician, right?And Planned Parenthood lackey. And my Christian college is advertising internship opportunities with the pro-homosexuality, pro-LGBTQ ally, pro-abortion through point of birth Democrat politician in Santa Barbara and the Christian college in that city whose motto is Christ preeminent in all things is telling their students, Hey, check out this cool internship.With who? The spirit of the age? You know, it reminds me of something Fulton Sheen once said, Peter, if you wed yourself to the spirit of the age, you'll find yourself a widow in the next.But you know, you're not allowed to talk about those kind of things at Westmont College.And so let's see who else was there. There was a married doctor, a Spanish professor, who's pro abortion as well. And then a married couple, Chris and Sherry Heckley, who teach in different departments and they're both pro abortion. So that's like five or six professors on the payroll of a Christian college whose motto is Christ preeminent in all things, who defend abortion through point of birth. And so I started finding the steel in my spine, actually, Peter, at a Christian college, not at a state college, which, you know, might surprise some people. It shouldn't today, by the way. It should not surprise you. Most Christian colleges are just kind of what Bonhoeffer meant when he said cheap grace.And so I did my summer job with the CBR. So that was my summer job.When I would come home from college, I was a paid intern for them.And I helped organize and run probably over 10 or 11 genocide awareness projects on university campuses in Southern California with the big aborted baby photos that compare abortion to historically recognized forms of genocide.So that's my background, Peter. And then when I graduated at Westmont, I joined Life Training Institute under the tutelage of Scott Klusendorf and began speaking in youth groups and Protestant Catholic high schools and the occasional church that had the balls to actually speak out on life and let me have the pulpit.And then at the end of 2020, everything changed. I had had all my speaking cancelled for several months, obviously.And then I met Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy.Rob McCoy became my pastor. We moved our family from South Orange County to Godspeed Calvary Chapel. I started the pro-life ministry there. We built that ministry there It's now saving babies on a monthly basis, it's got sidewalk counsellors mentor families for those who choose life celebrating them throwing their baby showers post-abortion healing and orphan foster care.I ran my show out of Rob studio, Rob, of course with the mayor of Thousand Oaks the the city just north of LA County while the senior pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel.And when he told Governor Gavin Newsom-Leany in California that he wouldn't be shutting his church and he opened it, he had lawsuits. And they actually came to possibly arrest him and the elders.And then a thousand Christians from around California showed up in the parking lot of Godspeak Calvary Chapel that Sunday and said, start with us.So those are my people, that's my church. And that's how God started kind of moving through my ministry to mobilize and awaken pastors and the church to get engaged.And so we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning of Roe versus Wade to rebuild Christian resistance before it's too late to get the church engaged and stop waiting for pro-life ministries and pregnancy centres to do the job that god's called the church to do actually, Which is to be the hands and feet of Jesus to hold back those staggering toward the slaughter to speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves pure and undefiled religion love the orphan and the widow the unborn child is definitely an orphan in god's view, because his parents want him dead and so that's we're building kind of the turning point USA of the pro-life movement, is the goal peter?And to actually get the church mobilized at the local level to end abortion.And so we go on to college campuses, we go into churches, we've had two of those tours this season, we're doing another one in the fall, and we're hiring and we're growing. So if any people in the US are interested, head over to thewhiterose.life, head on over to Red Balloon, and, apply if you think that God's called you to end abortion.Well, let's go on the issue. I mean, I've heard Greg Cunningham twice in the UK, a fascinating, an absolute hero. And I've loved watching Jack Hibbs during the lockdown with someone who's fearless and will stand up to anyone, love it. But on the issue, I mean, at hand, I mean, why should we care what people want to do with their own private lives? I mean, surely it's up to women or now that men can have babies, it's up to men as well to do they want to do with their own body.Yeah, I mean, the culture of death has crept in to the church a lot, Peter, and so we say silly things like that, and I hear Christians say things like that, who sometimes even say that they're pro-life, right?The typical line, like, I wouldn't get an abortion. But I mean, I personally am pro-life.It's like saying, I'm personally against slavery, but if my neighbour Bob wants to purchase black men, I mean, who am I to say, you know?So, I mean, the culture of death, it creeps in, and we begin to parrot the culture.We begin to sound more like the culture of death than we sound like the blood-bought Christ, the blood-bought bride of Christ.And that's a problem. It's a real critique, I think, on the church, that we don't actually take the liturgy of our own faith seriously, that we don't actually catechize our children.And so they do get catechized, that they get catechized by the culture, which has its own kooky religious premises as well, doesn't it?And so, I mean, that's kind of how I always start because it's like the fact that that's even an acceptable statement for some Christians to say is I think a real judgment on the church, you know?Why should we care what they do with their body? I mean, it's like, okay, do we have to do this? Okay, all right.I was a pre-born male. I was a male in the womb.God was knitting me together in the womb. And if you just want to go this purely scientific route, right, if you're talking to an atheist, I was developing myself from within.We know from the science of embryology that the pre-born child develops them self, right?The mother's not like asking baby to grow. It's like the child's directing their own internal growth from within.That's what it means to be a pre-born human being. And so my male genitalia was developing itself in the womb, Peter, which means thatI was not my mother's body. I know that's super sciencey for pro-choicers. I know that's super hard to follow. But pregnant women actually don't have male genitalia. And so if a pre-born male, unborn child, can be a male and have their male genitalia being developed, then they are not their mother's body. There's lots of ways to poke fun at this, obviously.Here's another one. Let's say a pregnant woman had intractable nausea, Peter, and could not stop throwing up due to her pregnancy.She's tried diplegias. She's tried other forms. Nothing stopped the nausea.She's almost on bed rest now. She can't keep any food down.So she goes to her OB, Peter, and she says, you know, I really need some of that thalidomide.Nothing is stopping this nausea.And he goes, well, I'm not going to give you thalidomide, ma'am.It's illegal. Plus, don't you know your baby is likely to be born without any arms?And she ignores him. She finds some illegally anyways and takes it.Four months later, her baby's born without any arms. Did she do anything wrong?Every time I've asked that to a pro-choice or on a college campus, their eyes glaze over, Peter. And most of them say, hell yeah, because I trick them.I get them because, you know, reality always reasserts itself in the end, doesn't it?And when it does, it'll slap you in the face hard.And so I always trick them because I'm just, they're acknowledging a portion of reality, but they're trying to suppress the rest of that in order to maintain their pro-choice delusions.And so every college student I've asked that to, Peter has said, hell yeah, that's effing wrong. That's effed up, dude.What the, you know, like they think it's like really effed up and really wrong.And then I say to them, who the hell are you to judge her?It's her body, her choice. The foetus has no right to her body anyways.If she can murder the baby, she can certainly intentionally harm the child in a way that doesn't kill the child.Yeah, are you telling me, ProChoicer, that it's worse to harm someone than to kill someone?Because that's what they're saying, right?When they say she has a right to abortion, but it's wrong and effed up for her to take thalidomide to get rid of her nausea, and her baby will be alive, likely.Her baby will live. those being born without any arms. And they go, that's screwed up, man, because she knew that she was doing something that could harm her child.Do you hear yourself right now? So there's always lots of ways to kind of poke fun at it.But what does that do? It reveals that deep down, they know that the body in her body is not her body.So why do we care about what other people do with their body, Peter?Because sometimes you can use your body in a way that intentionally harms or kills other human beings. That's why. And when you do that, that's wrong and that should be illegal and we should have laws against that, that's why.When I talk to friends on the left, I do have some of them still, and they seem to be, passionate about abortion. In fact, I have some friends who I didn't think they had any interest apart from just their social media themselves, what they watch on TV, and you discuss current affairs, no interest, and then you mention the issue of, well, maybe it's not right to take the life of another human being through abortion and they literally manifest and suddenly they become so passionate about killing babies. This seems to be what they're about. How have we kind of, how have we come to that that there is so much passion for death in part of our society?How have we come to that? I mean like how have we not come to that? I mean that's the history of of humanism, that's the history of most civilizations throughout all of human history.Most civilizations practiced human sacrifice. So like most civilizations practice slavery.In fact, every civilization did. So I'm like, I think the church has to kind of, I think conservatives have grown so comfortable, and cushy with our freedoms in the West and we're watching those freedoms, you know, obviously, deteriorate or disappear entirely really quickly, and especially in America, right?Because we tend to linger a little behind the UK and Canada, you know, culturally and politically, Peter. We're so comfortable and we're like, what is going on?You know, it's like, how did this happen? It's like, what are you talking about?Like, this is the norm, y'all.This is the norm. You've grown so fat on liberty that you've mistaken it for libertinism and licentiousness.This killing human beings, innocent human beings, and sacrificing them to kooky deities with the belief that your life will be improved is actually quite normal.Yeah, it was Christianity, y'all, that kind of brought about this concept of the sanctity of life, the rights of the individual.That human being is have dignity because they're created in the image of God.And so this concept of the Imago Dei kind of really, in a very real way, provided the basis for this idea called human equality and human rights that we've taken for granted.So most people who hate Christianity, Peter, wouldn't want to live in an America without it or in a country without it.You know, it's the same people who say that God doesn't exist, but they also really hate him.You know, it's like wait a second. Um, I'm not sure I think I think you got the math wrong there. Um, you know, I think they like the American humanist association what's exist, what existed for the eradication of God, but they were all atheists, it's like so you want to eradicate someone that doesn't exist, it's like that's a little weird but it's like eternity's written on the heart of man, right?Like we all know there's a god just like we all know we're killing babies We all know this. Um, I just talked to a crazy kooky pro-choicer at San Diego state university.And he was talking about the thing in the womb, the thing in the uterus, and he called it a baby.And then he corrected himself and he said foetus. And I said, ah, shoot.Yeah, you said baby, didn't you? Ah, yeah, Freudian slip, right?And I told him, I was like, it's okay. Pro-choicers do that a lot because reality always reasserts itself.And you know it's a baby, but you've got to try to use dehumanizing terms to justify child sacrifice so you can have orgasms without responsibility, huh?That's why you actually, you slipped up there, huh, brother?And he laughed. He was like, yeah. So I've had that interaction more than once, actually, being around college campuses where they accidentally called a baby.That just happened last year at UC Berkeley, too. The dude was talking about the fetus, and he called it a baby.And then he changed it. He said, foetus.I was like, ah. And so we all know, actually, what we're doing.That's the bottom line andI think that the church in particular has to start treating this issue and really the broader secular moral revolution as a secular regressive revolution.There's nothing progressive or new or modern or advanced about their ideas, right?The left's ideas on human nature, gender, abortion, marriage, sexuality, are not more modern but far more ancient than those of the revolutionary founding fathers that built America and of the Christians that largely built the West.And so as C.S. Lewis once said, we all want progress, right?But if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road. In that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.And when you notice you're on the wrong road, it's only the pessimist who continues to walk off the cliff. The progressive turns around and finds a way to right himself and get onto the wrong road, onto the right road rather. And so child sacrifice and human sacrifice goes back to the first generations immediately following Adam and Eve.Child sacrifice is what incites some of God's most colourful language in scripture.Let's put it this way, God gets pissed.He gets real pissed when the Israelites are killing babies to Moloch and Baal and Asherah and all this craziness, right?Well, we have the same gods of our culture today, the God of sex and the God of human sacrifice and child sacrifice, but they've been, they're described in such clinical language, right?They're described as sort of anti-religious, like there are no Gods, but it's still the same spirit that demands the same things as those ancient deities did. They were really just demons.So we're still sacrificing children to demons. We just call it health care.We call it women's rights. And we call it feminism. And so this cult of feminism and progressivism is just another iteration in a long humanistic experiment that has sought to place man as God.And the problem, right, with replacing God from the culture as we're starting to experience, Peter, is that other kooky religions take its place.So there's actually no such thing as moral neutrality. Replace Christianity, and then you get humanism, you get progressivism, you get evolutionism, you get neo-Malthusianism.And they're very religious worldviews too. They're just way more dangerous and way more kooky.And so the church has to start realizing that there will be a standard and there will be a dominant religion.The question is whose? Whose morality and whose religion? Well, why not the one that built the West and provided the freedoms that everyone takes for granted today and will no longer get comfortable with being uncomfortable in order to defend on behalf of the next generation?And if we can't get the right to life right, we're not going to get any other rights right.That's why the founders in America said we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal they're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are the right to life liberty in the pursuit of happiness they put life first because the right to liberty and pursuit of happiness don't mean much, in fact, they mean nothing at all if you can be murdered.Tell us about your, you've obviously just finished what 15 or 20 dates.Finished last month and you said you're going another one in the fall. Tell us about that and where your focus has been. Is it church groups? Is it political groups? Is it local activist groups?I mean where are you spending your time on those dates, on those events?Yeah, I used to speak everywhere, but now with three kids, and with my 2023 calendar almost full already, praise God, I mean, I never thought that would happen.We only have two or three slots maybe left in the entire year.And so we've had to really focus on high impact events and getting other people mobilized and engaged because I'm not building a Seth Gruber organization, I'm building, I'm rebuilding Christian resistance, which entails stewardship. It entails personal responsibility, right? It entails sacrifice, actually. And, you know, another time, Peter, I can tell the whole story of the White Rose resistance. But, you know, these were 20-somethings Christians who were murdered and had their heads chopped off on February 22, 1943, in Nazi Germany, because they distributed anti-Nazi leaflets all around the country to try to prick the conscience of the culture and get the church wakened up and engaged. And they were murdered for their efforts. So the reason we think that them brave and courageous is because they sacrificed far more with far less freedom.To stand against their Holocaust than we have ever done to stand against ours. That's why we think these figures are so heroic, Peter. They had far less freedom than we in the West do right now. And they sacrificed far more than most of us have ever sacrificed.That's a critique against the church in the West. And so we exist to rebuild that Christian resistance and develop the local leadership to get people engaged at the local level.And so that means finding brave men and women. That means finding courageous men and women who actually want to lay down their lives and their sacred honours to tear down the high places once again and to give God a reason to show America mercy.And so we prioritize churches for that event. And I've been blessed and frankly, blown away, Peter.I don't know how this has happened apart from the hand of God, to have been in more pulpits on Sunday mornings on the issue of life since the end of 2020 than any pro-life speaker in the world that I know of.I don't know of anyone who's been in as many pulpits in a two and a half year period, individual separate churches around the country. And we've started dozens of pro-life ministries at those churches, by the way. I don't just leave and say, hey, thanks for letting me speak.Now, you know, later, like we bring in our leadership and ministries that we partner with to develop and train people to get engaged in sidewalk counselling outside of abortion centres, orphan foster care, mentor families for those who choose life actually, and post-abortion healing as well.And so as we're growing and mobilizing people at the local level, the goal will be getting the church engaged in some of those lanes, including public events that really mock these ideas in the spirit of the age, and raising up new activists that actually take our content to the streets as well.And so we're building all of that infrastructure now because we're a brand new organization.So we got to hire and find the right talent.And God's been blessing our organization immensely. And we're very excited for how God's gonna move this year and in the following year.And so we do the college campuses to provide that last voice of sanity, In an out of control environment and to capture interaction and dialogues, that most people don't ever see and that's the beauty of social media Even though it's harder to get your content out if you're conservative than it was 10 years ago, But you know my conversations with pro-abortion people are often conversations, no one online has ever seen before, Rarely has anyone ever encountered someone and I'm not trying to sound like an ass here peter or speak pridefully but this is my this is the hill I will die on and so very rarely has anyone ever spoken to someone like me. Um, who's who's ready to jump into the cage, um and knows exactly what I believe and how to articulate it And so pro-choice, we see this happening conversations, you know Pro-choicers literally walk away from me sometime at the end of the conversation saying thank you. I had never thought of that before, Uh, and I'm like, you know, like whoa You know, like so there are people who will still be humble enough to admit that they don't know everything, And they did not know what to say to me and we want to capture those interactions to change minds, change hearts, and save lives and get people engaged in our movement.And then we're working on lots of digital media activism resources this year that frankly, you've never seen in the pro-life movement before that you'll see coming out this year and then the the church tours where we spend most of our time so we did nine churches in the fall and we're finishing I think 16 churches between January and May, This month and so we go to Idaho on Sunday.Today's May 17th So we go to Idaho on Sunday, and then we go to Vermont the Sunday after.And then I'm done for the spring, and we take all of June off and go on family vacation.But, so that'll be 16, 20, 25 or 26 churches between August of 2022 and May of 2023.And it's about time, huh? That the church get woken up and actually adopting personal responsibility.So I'll leave you with this line from Bonhoeffer on this question.Dietrich Bonhoeffer once said, if I sit next to a madman as he drives a car into a group of innocent bystanders, I can't as a Christian simply wait for the catastrophe to happen, then comfort the wounded and bury the dead.I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver.Well, the drunk driver in the West is the secular progressive, regressive moral revolution that's driving that bus or truck over the bodies of innocent families, children, babies, and the social fabric.And the church has been sitting in that passenger seat for so long, especially in America, Peter, where we the people are the sovereign.And we've been screaming the gospel out the window at people who are about to be ploughed over.But we won't actually try to wrestle the steering wheel away from the driver to actually save innocent human beings who are about to be destroyed by dangerous ideas, ideologies, or in this case, forceps will tear them limb from limb. We have to start exercising responsibility and stewardship.That's actually the role of the church, Peter. That's not the role of all the 501c3 organizations that we're grateful for that do good work. But we have way too many non-profits, frankly, in America.But the reason is, is because most non-profits are doing the work that the church has advocated, that the church used to do. We've got to get back to our early roots. So that's what we're trying to build.
I, one church I remember having many conversations with and had to walk away and They said, Peter, you need to understand we're pro-life.But we need to be very careful on this issue and then I remember it being another church and they were going to the 10 commandments and the person had spoken do not murder and for five minutes in that said, abortion is murder and the church made a public apology the next Sunday to say we need to be very careful and then another pastor told me, Peter you're probably one of those people who will stand outside the abortion clinics and shout at those poor women going in, And I sat back thinking, our churches are afraid of public opinion and of offending the congregation rather than they are worried about offending God.
That's right, yeah.
I guess it's the same in America, that confusion of actually, fear of your congregation, I guess the tides that come in through your congregation, rather than a fear of God and how God looks at our actions.Yep. So there's a character in scripture named Phineas, and we don't know much about him except it says that Phineas drove a spear through someone who was committing sexual sin.And it says he was zealous for the honour of God.And then it says, so God stayed his judgment. And that's all we know about Phineas, is that he dealt with the sin in the camp.Took initiative and responsibility. God honoured it and he stayed his judgment because of Phineas' actions. We're not zealous for the honour of God in the West, we're not. We're zealous for the tithes, of our congregants whose political sensibilities we won't offend by preaching the full counsel of God from the pulpit. We're zealous for seal claps from our congregants. We're zealous for a little bit more crumbs from the table of the worldly leaders. And if we will not be zealous for the honour of God, I fear what we might hear on Judgment Day when we were wedding ourselves to the spirit of the age, and woke up and found our self a widow in the next.Can I ask you about, moving on to the politics side, some of our viewers on this will be Christians, many will not, and they probably look at a political solution for this. So I'm wondering, maybe just to finish off on that political side, where are we the whole Roe versus Wade issue?It's exciting to see states taking control of that and fighting for that. Let us know what's happening on that?
Well I mean gosh when Roe v. Wade got overturned Peter, what we call the liberal establishment in America started collapsing in on itself like a dying star. I mean like they lost their freaking minds. They were saying things like the Republicans are now coming for interracial marriage. It's like they're like what? Like Clarence Thomas, our most conservative pro-life Supreme Court Justice, who is frankly more conservative than Antonin Scalia actually, he's married to a to a white woman, just like, and he's the main reason why Roe v. Wade got overturned, of course, because he's been the most reliable conservative on the court.It's like, really, do you think he's coming for his own marriage?Like, but you see the kind of things they say when you come for their sacrament of abortion.So, yeah, things have been a little out of control here, really, since this pandemic, but certainly since the overturning of Roe versus Wade.And so, this is really like, it is a new season in the fight life. And it's a moment for the pro-life movement to begin showing how seriously they take this issue. Unfortunately, we do have a lot of pro-life ministries that will say things like, you know, the woman should have no legal punishment, at any time, in any state, for any reason, if she gets an abortion when it's against the law.Now, listen, the pro-life movement chose a strategy a long time ago to go after the abortionists and not the woman, Because if they went after the woman and she was also, being convicted of a crime then she could not testify against the abortionist in court, And so they chose the liberal strategy in the drug wars of going after the provider rather than the user if you will. That's actually a liberal strategy And it was a conservatives that wanted to just shut down, you know, the drugs that actually punished drug users It was liberals who said no, let's go after the providers the drug sellers Well, whether it was right or wrong, the pro-life movement chose the strategy of going after the providers, the abortionists, and not convicting the woman so she could testify against the abortionist in court.But with Roe v. Wade overturned and states being able to ban abortion fully and entirely, if we believe that the pre-born child is a person with equal rights and dignity, then we cannot say, oh, the parents who arranged the death of that child and paid for the death of that child, if it's not the abortion pill, right, because obviously you're doing that yourself.But if you're going to an abortionist, you're paying a hitman to kill your baby.What's wrong with a law that says if you kill innocent human beings, there are legal consequences?I don't see anything wrong with that law. Now, if a mother paid, let's say, a hitman to drown her child in the pond, she might not be charged with first degree murder, but she would be charged as a conspirator, right? As an accomplice to murder.Why would we not say the same thing with abortion? And so there are a lot of pro-life ministries that are intentionally crafting legislation that put in exceptions for rape, right?And that put in exceptions to make sure that the woman can't be charged in any way, shape or form.So I am an incrementalism in the sense that I'd rather have a bill that protects most pre-born children than have a bill that protects no pre-born children, simply because I don't have the votes at the time to get the abortion ban passed. So I'm willing to accept incremental victories because that's how the left has brought us to this moment, incrementally, and they've been very patient.But yes, I think the overturning of Roe versus Wade is kind of showing now in this new season who takes this issue as a true holocaust, who takes this issue as actually genocide of little babies, and who's willing to live like it, legislate like it, pray like it, and sacrifice like it. And so I guess I'm grateful for that in the sense that, you know, we're seeing who is willing to toe the line and who's willing to attack at the front lines. And unfortunately, I think a lot of organizations and some right-to-life groups in different states don't really want a full ban on abortion at the state level.But if we're going to be zealous for the honour of God, that is what we have to pursue. I don't think that an incremental bill is apostasy or means giving your soul over to Satan. I think we take the victories where we can get them, but the goal should be abolishing abortion at the federal level of course. Now that's going to take a lot of states to get the kind of coalition you need for a constitutional amendment.But as we work towards that in America, we need to be, the church needs to be getting engaged politically.They need to be voting with their Bibles open. Pastors need to be preaching the full counsel of God from the pulpit on these issues so that their people go and vote with their Bibles open at the ballot box to get the kind of governors elected and the kind of state legislatures elected that will ban abortion at the state level.Set a new precedent in America. It's going to send a very strong message to the Moloch serviles and the Democrat Party and the liberal establishment that you have not begun to see me fight yet.
And just, can I just as we finish, there is a absolute wonderful podcast that people can find your latest one. I think you can't build a culture of life by funding the culture of death.And that's the economic side by Michael Seifert, Founder and CEO of Public Square.And I would encourage our viewers and listeners to go delve into that.That's a whole area that we don't have time for today.Seth, thank you for coming on. I was so chuffed when I saw your name at the CNP Conference, and I made a beeline for you.So it's an honor having you on. Thank you so much for your time today.
Yeah, good to meet you, Peter. Stay faithful, stand fast, and don't let the commies get you down.

Bob McEwen - Is There a Way Back From the Democrat Demolition of America?

We are currently witnessing a huge tension in the Republican party. MAGA, and before that its predecessor, the Tea Party, are challenging the establishment wing of the party. All of this at a time when the next Presidential election should be a shoe in for the Republican candidate against a weak and doddery Biden, but have the Democrats gone too far in their destruction of the American Dream? Is there a way back using policy and the political system? Bob McEwen, who served five terms as a Congressman and is the Executive Director of Council for National Policy shares his insights on all this and more.Bob McEwen is Senior Advisor with the nationally recognized law firm of Greenebaum, Doll & McDonald. As such he maintains offices in Cincinnati and Washington, DC. An Ohio native, Bob McEwen represented Ohio in the United States House of Representatives for six terms. Prior to his Congressional service, he operated a successful Ohio Real Estate and Development firm as well as serving three terms in the Ohio General Assembly as the Senior Republican on the Financial Institutions and Insurance Committee.Rep. McEwen served as Chairman of the Environmental Affairs task force of the United States delegation to the European Parliament. McEwen was selected by the Democratic leadership of the U.S. Congress as the chief spokesman for the United States in discussions with European Green Party and other Environmental Organizations.In 2005, McEwen and two others, Members of Congress, hosted the third conference of Balkan Prime Ministers for the purpose of facilitating dialogue and reconciliation in that troubled region of the world.On August 23, 1989, Congressman McEwen and United States Senator Robert Dole participated as United States observers in Warsaw, Poland to the first ever Parliamentary election of a non-Communist leader of a Soviet bloc country. Hours later, the new Prime Minister, in his first official act, received the Congressman and Senator prior to meeting with the Soviet representatives of the regime that had occupied that nation for fifty years. This action was the spark that encouraged the collapse of Soviet dominated governments throughout Eastern Europe culminating in the destruction of the Berlin Wall ten weeks later. Senator Dole and Rep. McEwen met the following day with the President and U.S. National Security team in Kennebunkport, Maine to fashion the United States response and position in support of Warsaw Pact nations seeking to break away from Soviet domination.Representative McEwen served as an official United States observer in Moscow during both the 1991 Soviet Coup attempt and to the Kremlin in January of 1992 when the Soviet Union was dissolved.Mr. McEwen was elected by his colleagues to the two most coveted positions in the U. S. Congress; the Select Committee on Intelligence which oversees all of our nation’s secrets, and the powerful House Committee on Rules which has jurisdiction over all legislation in the Congress. As one of only four Republicans on the thirteen member Rules Committee, Mr. McEwen managed nearly one-third of all legislation on the House floor for the Republican side of the Congressional aisle.McEwen legislation approved by the Congress included the National Strategy Act that realigned the chain of command during times of hostilities, directly from the Theater Commander to the National Command Authority in Washington. Defense Secretary Dick Cheney and General Norman Schwarzkopf have credited this change with playing a major role in the success of Operation Desert Storm.He was selected by Administration and Congressional leaders to floor manage such critical national security legislation as the B-2 bomber authorization, the nuclear freeze debate, and to give the closing arguments before the vote to authorize military action by the United States in Desert Storm.Mr. McEwen has often been selected as negotiator to bring resolution to Senate/House conference committee impasses on dozens of pieces of legislation, particularly affecting Public Works, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and International Relations.Connect with Bob...WEBSITE: https://bobmcewen.com/TWITTER http://www.twitter.com/bobmcewen/FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-McEwen/211135982248187Council for National Policy...WEBSITE: https://cfnp.org/Interview recorded 15.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Bob McEwen.Bob McEwen is the executive director of Council for National Policy and I had the privilege of meeting him whenever I was over there stateside at their conference in February.He's also was elected five times as member of Congress for Ohio and anyone who has won five elections deserves to be listened to.So we discuss a whole range of issues. his time as congressman, what that was like, what it means to be a conservative and a Republican in the US, those have always been the same thing but seem to be separate in many ways and we discussed that separation.And then looking at the clash between, I guess, the establishment and a more conservative orientated group in the Republican Party, the Tea Party and now Trump, and what that means.With the Democrats being so reckless, is there a way back using policies and legislation?And then we end up, of course, with the upcoming elections. And I ask Bob for his thoughts on that and where we may be 18 months on during that.So I know you'll enjoy listening to Bob as much as I do speaking with him and giving his insight on all these range of policies.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have an individual who was elected to Congress at the age of 30 in 1980, won re-election five times there. And I've seen him described as a textbook Republican, opposed to abortion, gun control, high taxes, and as the Executive Director of Council for National Policy. Bob McEwen, it's wonderful to have you with us.
(Bob McEwen)
Peter, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much.
Not at all. And the website there, Council for National Policy, is on the screen. And Counter for National Policy stands for Limited Government, Traditional Values, and Strong Concerted Defence, which which is conservative values, which we all hold dear to.If I could be ask you about yourself, your time as a congressman, that nonstop, I guess, political campaign.We don't understand that in the UK, because we have every five years, where I know you did every two years.But maybe you can let us know what made you so successful? You won time and time again.Maybe just let us into what made you successful standing for Congress.
Well, you're exactly right. The United States, it's only 240 years ago, but that was a real transition into the idea that individuals would decide, set the course of their policy.We didn't have a template.We set up three tiers. We set up an individually elected leader or president, individually elected members of Congress accountable to no one else but the voters.We had a turnover every 24 months, the House of Representatives, everyone is up for re-election, And then we had an independent judiciary.That morphed into the parliamentary system, where most of the democracies of the world, when they choose a majority in the parliament, that's the person that then chooses the prime minister. So there's a coordination there.So it's really hard for people to fully grasp as to how is currently the situation.We have a Democrat president, independently elected. And yet the majority of the House of Representatives is Republican.We have a Republican speaker, and they're the ones that pass the laws.It creates for a dynamic tension, and it was designed for that purpose.The US Constitution was designed for one reason, one, only one, only one, that was to prevent tyranny, period, end of discussion.It wasn't there to be efficient. It wasn't to have a strong anything.It was there to prevent tyranny, so that even when Franklin Roosevelt could carry all but two states in an overwhelming landslide, and that he wanted to add members to the Supreme Court.He couldn't do it because the Congress stood. There's an independent tension there that prevents tyranny and that allowed freedom, and that's why this little 4% of the population of the world, more books, plays, symphonies, copyrights, inventions, and the rest of the other 96% combined.Not because those people are smarter or because they work harder.But because they're freer and the degree to which freedom accelerates is when prosperity accelerates, when you impose socialism and take away freedom you can make any place when I was young the richest city in the world was a place called Detroit Michigan and they elected some socialists that said we can put a stop to this and so currently Detroit Michigan is the poorest most corrupt city north of the Rio Grande in all of North America so it's the freedom that creates the wealth not the geography, it's the ideas. And our political system was designed for that purpose, that people would constantly have input, that the second a person thought they are entitled to it, they had to stand for re-election. So every January, a member of Congress either files for re-election or gets sworn into office, one or the other.
Well, I want to get more into US politics, but I saw that you're just back from Hungary, CPAC in Hungary. I was trying to go myself, and in the end, it didn't happen. But maybe you want to just touch on that, kind of that sets in the context our European audience before we move over to the US. But what was that like over in Hungary at CPAC?
Well, first of all, Peter, under the free enterprise system, the only way that I can achieve wealth, the only way that people can voluntarily reach in their pocket and hand money to me is if I do something for them that is greater, that is more beneficial than the money they have in their hand.And so we, we stay awake nights, dreaming up ways how to do something good for a person, such that they'll slam on their brakes and pull in and say, you're going to wash my car and clean the carpet and watch the windows and throughout the day. I'd much rather have that than have this $10 bill.I'd much rather have that parachute than $60.And so therefore, the freedom and creation comes from free people.So for the Soviet Union controlled two thirds of all the land mass on the planet, but they couldn't make a hairdryer, they couldn't make an automobile, they couldn't make a washing machine.They had to go steal from the ideas, so they made their airplanes look like the airplanes were created by the free people, and et cetera, et cetera.So in the idea of conservatism, that is to preserve and protect the freedom that allows for abundance. Now I said there are two ways to get money from a person.One of them is that I figure out ways to bless them, so they say, oh that, that, that, that app on my phone. Oh, I'd like to have for 99 cents, I can have that app.Well, the person that dreams that up, doesn't hope that a million people down and become a millionaire.So that's why over virtually all of the apps come from only free countries.The other ones have to steal because socialism does what?Socialism redistributes. Now that's a fancy term for stealing.So when you walk into a store and you grab things off the shelf, put them in your pocket and walk out, you are redistributing them.You redistribute them from the shelf of the owner into your pocket.Now, have you created any wealth?No, no. Have you redistributed? Yes, because the degree to which you benefit is the degree to which the other person is diminished.And under socialism, that's why they're always poor. And the more socialism that you have, the greater the poverty you have because you're stealing from the productive, therefore they're disincentivized to produce because they don't get the reward.And you reward people who didn't produce it, And why should they produce when they get it for free?And so you go into a country like Venezuela or Rhodesia or all these great abundant countries and you turn them into absolute hell holes because of a thing called socialism.Socialism and in the scriptures it was referred to as covetousness.Covetousness is when I wanna take something that someone else has.Stealing is when I actually take it. Covet is when I want to take it.And so the Ten Commandments that were put on the walls of all of our classrooms for all these years, it said we didn't have to have magnetometers because people didn't bring guns to work, because we said we shouldn't kill. And we didn't have to have locks on their bicycles because we said thou shalt not steal. But then we had the prosperity because number 10 is on every wall, thou shalt not covet. I don't want to win. So my wife, when we travel around, people often say, you know, I've been to America, I've been to America. And she would often ask them, What is the thing that startled you or surprised you or was the most surprising about America?The answer that comes back more than anything else is, well, in America, you don't have walls around your property. You don't know where your backyard stops and where the neighbour starts.Well, the reason for that is because we didn't covet. Now, when you go into Latin America, you not only have walls around everybody's property, you have cut glass over top of the property because you covet.In America, when you saw a beautiful home, you didn't say, I want to take that house.You would say, someday I want to have a home like that.Or a nice car. We were in one of the nicest countries in Central America.I was waiting to go to dinner with the attorney general.And we were standing outside, our wives went in to eat, and he just kept talking and talking, not going in the restaurant. I got frustrated. What's going on here, Wanegger?And finally, a person appeared, and he handed him some money, and we went in to eat.Well, what happened was he hired a personto watch his car while we were at the restaurant. Now that is a result of covetousness. Now when Moses was having a hard time, Jethro, his father-in-law, came to him and he said, you know, Moses, God and I've been talking here and we think you've got in over your head and you have to divide these people up into federal, state, and local government. You need to have thousands, hundreds, and tens. And Moses, here's three things you need to look for.Three things. That is, there's only two choices. Either man thinks he's God or he recognizes God. Number one is those that fear God. And I'll just tell you, you don't want to marry a person who thinks they're God. You don't want to go into business with a person who thinks they're God. And you don't want to elect a person who thinks they're God. I said Moses, those that fear God. Number two, lovers of truth. Okay, what does that mean? That means a free enterprise system in which you sign a contract and you keep your word. You look a guy in the eye and you shake your hand you honour it. If you're dishonest, if you're the Middle East, if you're much of Asia, if you're a place you have to have contracts that are six inches thick in order to go to the grocery store because that they're going to lie and cheat at every opportunity. He said therefore you want those people who fear God, lovers of truth, and, Moses, get this straight, haters of socialism.That is, if this guy's going to want what somebody else has, you don't want a person like that in power. He used the term covetousness in Exodus 18, 21. It says, fear God, lovers of truth, hating covetousness. And so the purpose of the conservative political action committee is to support conservative values, which respect private ownership, as opposed to socialism, which promises that, you know, if a thief comes and takes something, we say that that guy's bad, he's a thief. If he runs for office and he gets a mob to come and take it, that's called socialism.And so if you vote for me, you don't have to go in and steal your car insurance. I'll just, we'll just make the car insurance do it, etc. So the political action committee.The opportune conservatives get together periodically and all these folks and all all these various issues, encourage one another.And this most recent one was in Budapest.And that was an opportunity because the prime minister there is fighting the tides of socialism in Europe.And he welcomed us with opened arms. We were pleased and happy to be there.
I love Budapest. I've been there many, many times. It is a beautiful city and a country that strives for freedom looking after its own identity. But you mentioned socialism and I know you have travelled over to Eastern Europe before during the fall of communism and that's something which you've been passionate about, freedom for those in Eastern Europe and Russia. Tell us about those trips, why would an American go all the way over there to speak on freedom?
Well, it's the constant fight. There's a desire to control other people, and under free enterprise, you can be honoured by inventing something, or creating something, or writing something, or building something.That's why in free countries, we honour those people.Under socialist countries, the only way that you get power is that you take it.When you do that, you have to control people. For example, in the Baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, periodically, they would go through and they would just take the largest farmers, people that were successful, and they would ship them off to Siberia, or they would disappear in one way or another.There's this constant lack of freedom. That is that you're at the mercy of what the state decides to do.That's a horrible thing, and that's a fight that is there all the time.We are experiencing right now at this moment, and it ebbs and flows, in the 1930s, it swept almost completely encompassed Europe, as you know, the National Socialist Party went all the way from the Atlantic Ocean, all the way to the Soviet border.It took Americans and Canadians and Brits and Australians landing at Normandy to begin to punch that back.Now we have this competition, always, as Anne Rand says, that you can vote socialism in, but you have to fight, shoot your way out.And so what we see is this constant effort to have, when people get their choice, when they have a freedom, they have the opportunity.They always choose freedom.But that's why totalitarians, and we are sympathetic to them, we have come through a time of the last 40 years of tremendous, tremendous explosion of growth and prosperity.And now we see it trying again. They always have a new idea.Sometimes it was racism. Other times it was religion.And now it's environment. And so the reason that I have to tell you what kind of house to live in, and how far you can travel and what kind of car you can drive and what kind of is is not because I'm a communist and you're not or because I'm a Nazi and you're not it's because I'm an environmentalist and you must do what I say. There's always an excuse for why people want to control other people and that gets back to a concept spiritual as to whether or not people should be allowed to do that and that's why when you abandon God, the God part then it's just a a matter of the most powerful against the weakest. When you do the God part, that is that every person has a unique skill and talent and creation because of Almighty God, that makes it such that you do not have a right as a group to come in and tell people what to do. So that's why Moses was correct when he had God first, then the freedom of the political system, and then the economic system of not coveting.
Absolutely, a relationship with God gives everyone value an equal purpose and merit and gives that responsibility.
And Peter, without God, people will literally tell you that the rocks and stones and the weeds are more important. The bugs take priority. Now, you only do that, if you tell me that, see, if you tell me every, the fork in the road, the fork in the road for every political decision comes from this question. If you believe that man created God.Or you believe that God created man.And when I sit there and listen to you tell me how I should eat bugs because you think I should, because you don't want me to produce the oil, the gas that's there in abundance, then I can also tell you where you stand on God.You think that you're God. You do not believe in God. You believe that you're the supreme and you're going to dictate to other people.So our freedom is dependent upon that. And I love the libertarians, they're wonderful people, but they think that it's innate in people to do what's right.History has shown us that that's not correct, that there is a godly standard that we must abide by. As you do that, there's abundance and peace and prosperity.The degree to which you abandon it is which you have death, destruction, and poverty.
With that clash we are now seeing, what does it mean to be a conservative, and I guess a Republican, in the US?Is it different now than during your time in Congress?Well, I probably, and that's a very good question. I haven't given it that much thought and so as I as I analyse it I tend to think not, There's always this desire for people to control other folks. Yeah, this socialist is national socialism It's this Union of Socialist Republics and the USSR and if see the same thing in China There's always this idea that I'm going to control what you can see and what you and if you don't agree with me then I'll shut you off, I'll burn your books.Only the left burns books.Only the left, you know, we don't fear. And let me just explain why that is, Peter.If you and I are in, if I walk into the room where you are, and I say that room is 25 feet wide, and somebody else says, I think it's 20, I think it's, another guy says, I think it's 30, I think it's 29, we can all sit there and we say, oh, isn't that wonderful?We can all debate it, and we can write white papers, and we can sit around the faculty lounge and talk about it, and everybody's content until someone comes in and measures it. And when they measure it, here's what the measurement does. The measurement is the truth and it reveals error. So a person comes in and measures it and find out it's only 18 feet wide. That means that everybody in the room knows what I said was wrong. And here's the person that said it was 25, the person said it was 30, the person said it was 32. They all hate the person who said it was 18, because that's truth. Error hates truth. Now, conservatives don't fear.We have the truth, so therefore we can let a thousand liberal speakers come and speak. We don't care, but they can't let one. They can't let one conservative get up and speak, because the truth will reveal the error.Let me just hit it again. Let's suppose that you're prosecuting a fellow for stealing an automatic teller machine out of the bank drive-in.And so you're in the court and the defence counsel says, why, he wouldn't do such a thing, why he loves his mother and he was off having dinner with his sister and here's the receipts from the restaurant.You don't care what she says because when you're finished, you're going to show the security camera of him driving his pickup up to the ATM. You see him put the chain around the ATM.You see his face on the camera as you lean over the camera and the fingerprints and the truth will overcome the error such that, here's the point, the only way they can succeed is to prevent the presentation of truth. Your Honour, I object. Your Honour, I object. I object because the truth will overcome the error. That's why they have to shout. That's why they have to burn books. That's why they have to cancel people. That's why they have to deny them access to TikTok.That's why they have to tell that Donald Trump can't speak on television. Because the truth overcomes the error. Therefore, they have to band together. And in the course of this, has that changed? It's always been that way, but I'm increasingly optimistic that people are beginning to see it. And the thing is that truth always wins, because the whack-a-mole, you just can't whack it enough times. And you might succeed for a while. And, you know, Adolf could have his book burning sessions all across Europe, but eventually it comes through.And then he had the Soviet Union, but eventually with technology, people could see the truth.And so now, what the Chinese have done is they've begun to infiltrate the various communication systems so that they can shut off people from Twitter and they can shut off people from Facebook but they constantly have to go down and shut down truth because truth overcomes error. We and conservatives, we do not fear that. You say anything you want to say because when you're finished work, all you have to say is, here's the measurement, it's 18 feet, here it is.And truth eventually wins, and that's why I'm optimistic about the future.But I repeat, there's always and always will be a battle.Well, on truth, it's a question that's been in my mind over the last three years.What is truth? When Pilate asked Jesus.I think traditionally, if you look back in history, generations have been able to understand that and answer that.And we now live in a society where actually people don't know what truth is. Truth is subjective, it's no longer objective. How does it, and we are having the same battle in the UK, in Europe, as I know you're having in the US on that. Where does the conservative movement, the Republican Party, how does it fit into that confusion and chaos, I guess, of what is truth, what is right and wrong.
And that is the question of the age, that absolutely it is, and that's why God told Moses, the first thing is settle that, because there's only two definitions of truth.One is what I think is true, and the other is what God says is true.Those are the only two options.And so those that don't want to do what God says, then they talk about my truth.And my truth says that a man is a woman.And the absurdity of that is naturally overwhelming, such that in the first chapter of Romans, when they folks went after, they set themselves up as God, and they said, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And so Paul said, no, we need to get back to God. We need, there has to be a standard. So I am privileged to be a part of the Turning Point USA, and Charlie Kirk went around to these college campuses where these indoctrination things were going on from all the professors, and he would just set up a card table and share truth.And of course, that's very distressing because truth overcomes error. And so as people began to see the truth, and they began to read and discuss and talk about the fact that socialism has never worked. And if socialism worked, by now it would have found a spot where it did.And so when they can see it doesn't work. The next thing, Peter, here's the interesting thing.When they began to think with truth economically, then they began to think truth politically, and then they began to ask questions spiritually, because it's a value system.It's a God made us and we have rights, and all of those things are anathema to socialism.And so now, all across America, and now starting around the world, in high schools elsewhere, are starting these Turning Point USA faith, because there were so many young people asking about these spiritual, that the woke churches, the woke effort had gotten into the pulpits by saying that we don't want to offend anyone.Well, you know, if Jesus Christ could have gone around without offending a person, he probably would have tried it.The idea that truth offends, it's not the person that offends, truth.And evil will be offended by truth.And so what we've seen is that there is this great uprising of folks that it begins to follow across the board, of a worldview, and it gets back to that first one, Either I'm God.Or he's God. And every one of us face that decision at some time in our lifetime.I love being at Counter for National Policy in February and listening to the conversation, I think with James Lindsay and Charlie Kirk. That was a phenomenal insight. But tell us, because Counter for National Policy is maybe a more traditional conservative group. You've got Turning Point and what they're doing with American Fest, and I watched at their conference in December or targeting or going after the younger vote, the younger group.It's interesting to see those alliances, because it's not either or.It's groups working with certain areas of society, others working with others.Tell us about that kind of connection, because as I said, I was blown away by that conversation with Charlie and James.Well, what happened was that the conservative movement in America was successful once in 1964 in nominating a nominee for president, and then it was overwhelmingly stomped.The Republican leadership said, I cannot support this person, and so Barry Goldwater was tremendously defeated.When Ronald Reagan made another attempt, then they felt that they were going to try to do the same thing.That is, the liberals of both parties would team up to prevent him from restoring, because he was anti-communist. And deep down inside, the communists had penetrated most of these folks, just as you see the Chinese penetrating Africa and elsewhere.And so in the beginning of the first year of the Reagan administration, a handful of folks got together to help get him to get elected and said, what we need to do is you don't have to change what you're doing if you're a national defence group, or if you're an agriculture group, or if you're a pro-life group, or if you're an education group.But periodically we should get together and say what can we agree upon.And they formed a group called the Council for National Policy, and it meets three times a year.I emphasize that one of the things that gets people's attention is that we don't do anything.But it's like the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce doesn't sell shoes, and doesn't sell cars, and doesn't sell houses, but it has people that do. That's what CMP does.It has people that do everything, even though CMP does nothing. What we do is we bring people together to encourage one another and what happens when, for example, the CRT, the critical race theory, there were many people that didn't realize that that was rather significant. I thought that was just a left-wing racist policy in college campuses. And when we began to probe deeper, we found out that they had penetrated the seminaries of most of the major religions and to begin to teach, to supplant the scriptures with race in many of our pulpits, and then the educational books as well, and across the board in the military, until now we have a head of the U.S.Military that says the number one threat to America is not the the Chinese threat and the nuclear threat, the number one threat is white nationalism. Now you would think how in the world, you could ask any kid on the street corner watching the guns shooting, what's the number one threat?Number one. Nevertheless, CMP was able to bring that to the fore to say, see how CRT has aggressed.Now we have the same thing with the government and environment, ESG society, where they're trying to give ratings to corporations who fit their global agenda.Of course, the global agenda is not slavery. They don't say that.That's rather people would be repulsed at that.They say climate, and everybody's in favour of climate. Therefore, if you do these ESG, if you do these certain things, if you spend money with, communist groups in China and oppose freedom folks in Hungary or the US, then you get this higher rate and ostensibly, it's because it had to do with the environment.That's where CMP brings people together for the educational purposes.Why? Because truth overcomes error. We let everybody present, but we see that truth wins and that's what we're up to at the moment and delighted about it.I love bumping into so many of my guests who I'd seen virtually. And then I met in the flesh, in the person. So that was one of my highlights coming away from CNP. But maybe I'll ask you about the kind of tension in the Republican Party with the clash of, I guess, a more establishment grouping and a more conservative-oriented grouping, which is the Tea Party and now Trump.In the UK, we don't really have that. We have the so-called Conservative Party resting on old laurels.We don't really have that agitator making them think of what actually it is to be conservative, but you have that in the US.Maybe let us know a little bit more about that, because it's always good to be reminded, I think, of what you're there for and what your principles are.
Well, this might not be 100% correct, but part of it, I think, has to do with the fact that when people are really concerned about something that doesn't fit in, they can form their own party.If they just suddenly, one day, they're fine, but six months later, Brexit takes over the whole country because policies.Now, in America, we have a thing called the Electoral College, which says this, no one can become president, no one can become the leader of the country if they don't carry half of the country.Now, that provision meant such that you have a two-party system, because the second you have a third party or a fourth party, you're out of the ballgame.That electoral college has kept a two-party system. Now, you say, well, what's the point of bringing that up?Well, that's because then you have the tensions at the edges.When a Brexit comes along in America, it has to fit into one of the two parties, and the party begins to move in one direction or another.That's simply the way it works, quite frankly, I think it's ingenious, it's wonderful.I think it's virtually divine inspired, because the poor folks under the parliamentary system in Israel or in Italy, it was 60 governments in 48 years and things, I don't have the full affection for that.The poor folks in Israel, I've gone for four years was virtually, they finally righted it recently. In America, you have to have a 50%, which means that when you have these tensions, you're always going to have these tensions, that there's always be at the margin, what is the new issue?Those that want to sit on their laurels can sit there, but they will constantly be in competition with the new idea.It seems to have worked well and will continue to, but I repeat, it's because you cannot have, you can sell a party in a parliamentary system that might get only seven or eight votes in the parliament and you can't sell that in America because brother if you can't win, we're not interested in hearing from you.
I love it. Can I ask you about legislation, obviously your time on Capitol Hill in Congress and I kind of look at what the Democrats are doing being so reckless in so many ways. And I wonder, is there a way back using policies and legislation?Oh, yes, there always is. The Democrat Party tends to be more socialist. What is a socialist?A socialist is a person that says, if you vote for me, I will take what that person has and give it to you.That's just all there is to it. Now, when you do that, you destroy things.When they take over New York, they turn it into a mess.Periodically, fortunately, Giuliani and Bloomberg came back and put it back on the rails.Twelve years ago, it was the safest, cleanest, largest city in the world.Of course, they bring in the Democrats and immediately they do, I'm going to tax those people, we're going to steal from the productive, we're going to run them out, and it's back into the hellhole that it was 20 years ago.Socialism only fails every time. The Democrats, well, they run for office trying to do that.You question periodically that they'll destroy the economy and then you have to go back and reproduce and build things.We just hope that they don't do any permanent harm, but as you know, freedom, when Donald Donald Trump became presidentthe the entire nation was energy independent within 18 months see freedom works.Okay, and of course when when when Biden came in we were dependent within five months Because he shut down all the pipelines and increased it and shut down the drilling and things, So it doesn't take long to screw things up. It usually takes longer to try to repair them, But nevertheless they can be repaired. So Margaret Thatcher came in the country was just in a mess It was the IMF had taken over control of the pound sterling, everybody felt that Britain was finished.When she left 11 years later, had the fourth largest economy on the planet.Freedom works every time, socialism fails every day.
Yeah, strong leadership is essential. I'm intrigued watching over in the States, the different US states that actually want freedom and the ones that don't.The transfer going back and forward.I think I'm talking to a friend who lived in Florida, and he said, actually, house prices are off the scale.You can't even rent a car anymore. The huge demand, similar in Texas.There seems to be a migration of people going from states that you're punished for your freedom moving towards those states that actually, they want their freedom.It seems to be a bigger and bigger divide happening in the US from those who actually want freedom and those who want to be subjugated.Well, that's the specialness of the federalist system, that we have individual states and they can do their own policies. I would just take Florida, for example, in that Florida is just bursting at the seams in every area, and surpluses in the budgets in the city councils and people are happy and everything, they're expanding and building.It's just a wonderful place, but the governor only won by 30,000 votes, 30,000.The fellow that he beat was as loony as you wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.He's a thug, literally, he's in jail now, I believe. Had he won instead of DeSantis, then he would have said, socialists always want control.So they're going to tell you that you have to have to take this jab and you have to cover your mouth and you have to cover your paper, toilet paper on your nose is going to keep you safe and put up the plastic and put it and they would have shut down the churches.Now it didn't shut down, shut down the Planned Parenthood headquarters and didn't shut down the gay bars, but shut down the churches and all the things that they, and that's what they do in California. That's what they do in New York.And so what do you see? You see New York and California in a state of collapse, and you see the free states, the Republican states, they're prospering.I just saw today that to rent a U-Haul to go from Los Angeles to Dallas is 10 times what it costs to rent a U-Haul to go from Dallas to Los Angeles.Everybody that they'll pay you to take them to California because everybody there is leaving And then you can't get your hands on one. So it, like I say, freedom works.Will Democrats wake up, because I remember when I was in California for the first time, in April last year, and then I went again in June, I realized why I didn't really want to go to the West Coast. But you had people talking who lived just outside LA, and they said, well, this is why we live outside. But the crime and the destruction of the cities actually moves and spreads. And I wonder, will Democrat voters actually get it sometime?
Well, let's pray that they do. I mean, they do this intentionally.When Giuliani became mayor, there were these people that would come out, they're called squeegee people, and they would come and sprinkle dust on your windshield and sprinkle water on it, and then they'd hold their hand out. If you gave them some money, then they would wash your window, and otherwise, you had dirt on your window, or they key you when you drove off. He said, we're not going to do that. I want those people arrested. The second they step off the sidewalk, they're jaywalking, we're going to arrest them, and we're going to fingerprint and mugshot them, and find out who, here's the principle. Here's the principle that Democrats seem to not grasp.That is a lawbreaker, is a lawbreaker, period. They want to focus on the big law. No, no. It's only a handful of people that do this. And so the very first guy that they took for doing that, he had 25 warrants. He went away forever. Why? Because he's a lawbreaker. He's a thief.And so the next thing that they did was Giuliani said, we're not going to have people, or jumping the turnstile to get on the subway.If you jump the turnstile and you don't pay, then you're going to be arrested.And what do you do when you're arrested? You're going to get a fingerprint and a mugshot.And so they did that. The very first day they saw the first guy they caught, they had fingerprints of five murders. Now they had the five fingerprints were clear.They didn't know who they belonged to.But when they mugshot and fingerprinted this guy, they found that the guy who voted jumping the turnstile was a murderer and they put him away. And so when you look at what happened, that crime didn't diminish, crime collapsed.Because when you take the one to 3% of the troublemakers and you put them behind bars where they can't behave, that the rest of the people can prosper.Now what happened when de Blasio came in, when the new Democrat came in, first Democrat mayor in 16 years?They said, look how clean and nice and everything is, let's just screw it up as fast as possible.So what he said was, we are not going to enforce the law.Get this, we're not going to enforce the law for those jumping the turnstile.That means that every thug can go in there and can sleep on the subway 24 hours a day.He can rob the people when they come on.They don't have to get on. Now people don't want to ride the subway, the places of mess, where you have the fights.They said, we want to do more than that. We want to allow people to urinate on the sidewalk and to defecate in the middle of the street and to sleep. So then we will not arrest them for doing that.And so now you walk up and down the streets, you see it covered with people that are just hanging out doing those. And they said, oh, furthermore, people should be allowed to steal.And so as long as they don't steal more than 1,000 at a whack, as long as they take 950, we'll allow them to do that. And so now when you go into some of the stores, they're all boarded up, or they're empty, or they're behind bars. You have to have someone come to open it up.Now, your question was, will they see it? People voted for that. People voted in New York 4 to 1, 4 to 1, 80% voted to do that. They voted for these incompetent folks. So I'm probably not as good a politician as I should be, because it just doesn't make any sense to me.Could I end off just with asking you about Sleepy Joe and the elections coming up, and I had the privilege of being on the front row at CMP and listening to Governor Ron DeSantis, and I love what he's doing in Florida. I also love what Donald Trump has done as a wrecking ball in tearing up the whole system and doing things differently. But when you look as someone who, has their finger on the pulse, what are your thoughts of how the next, I don't know, is it 18 months will transpire? What are your thoughts as you look into that? We don't have any of those big figures in the UK, so that's why it's intriguing looking over to the US.
Well, Now, the difficulty we face is when you're on the left, you never say, look what a great job I did in education.Didn't we do a wonderful job in cleaning up the streets, and oh, aren't people so nice and safe now? Look at how efficiently we handled the border.And didn't we do a marvellous job in bringing the price of gasoline down to 28% of what it was 10 years ago. They can't point to anything.So what they do is they scream, he's a racist, he's a bigot, he's a murderer, he's a he's a and all they do is just vomit on anyone who wants to get into office. And one of the reasons that I am so strongly in favour of of Donald Trump at this point is because almost anybody else has, does not have the rhinoceros hide to stand against the abuse that they will shovel at anyone because they said McCain was a maverick and he listened to people and he worked across the aisle until he got nominated. Second he got nominated, the New York Times ran articles just like they did against Kavanaugh of these women that claimed that they had affairs with him and when they checked it out they weren't even close. They were just making this stuff up just like they're doing doing with Trump, with this woman that claims she couldn't even tell in the court, she couldn't tell within three years of when this events took place.Within three years.So they're going to do that to people.And Donald Trump has the backbone for the benefit of our country and for freedom to take it.And as we've seen, he can bring peace and prosperity. People don't remember that prior to 2016, this entire world was in the hands of the Chinese.We were doing everything that they asked. We were giving them every privilege.The President of the United States signed waivers so that the chips in our military equipment and in our fighter jets would come from China.They were able to control everything.We were sleepwalking over a cliff.One man.Donald Trump came along and said hey, this isn't the brightest thing in the world, He went to the Mercedes and says you can't build an, you can't build a car without their approval what kind you Germans are stronger than that and in the entire world began to break out of a stupor and those people who had put all of their money New York and Silicon Valley all of their money in China, became furious because those factories began with the withdrawal the stock market in China went down 47 percent, half of its wealth was diminished. In the United States, the stock went up 55 percent. America began to grow and prosper and those that hate freedom in America were furious and they were and they continue to be.But I don't think the world's going to go back to sleep and all we need is a person strong enough to do it and we can go back to peace so the countries aren't overrunning each other as they are in Ukraine, where we go back to peace again where there's stability, and we have a strong surgence of freedom, which I anticipate we're going to have shortly.Well, Bob, it is an honour speaking with you, someone who has their finger on the pulse and is involved in such an influential organization like the CNP, so I appreciate your time today and sharing your thoughts.
Well, it was indeed an honour to be with you as always, and we're honoured to have you whenever you can be with us, Peter. All the best.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

We are so lucky to have our guest join us tonight as the unfounded and almost certainly untrue rumours going round are he was involved in a near catastrophic car chase on the way back from picking up a pint of semi-skimmed from Morrisons last Tuesday evening, so rejoice as we welcome back our good friend, David Vance!This man tells it as it is and has the liberal bed-wetter's running for their safe spaces, so batten down the hatches as Mr Vance unleashes a common sense tirade on our topics this episode, including....- Matt Hancock: What a bell end!- Baby dies and eight others fight for life due to spike in 'usually harmless' virus.- Cancer mystery as cases rise among younger people around the world.- Eddie Izzard says he was 'fought in the streets' after coming out as transgender.- NATO’s strength is its diversity.- Childline is accused of failing teenagers: Girls as young as 14 who believed they were trans advised to bind their breasts in chat rooms hosted by the charity.- Zelensky arrives at G7 summit as US backs fighter jets for Ukraine.- UK Immigration: Behold the uni-party.- Unelected PM Rishi Sunak U-turns on proposed ban on Chinese institutes.- Fatty's take flight! I can’t fit in the plane aisle, it feels like discrimination.- Know the warning signs of white supremacy.- Adidas and the bloke in a women's swimsuit.Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 20.5.23
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