Hearts of Oak Podcast

James Harvey - Students Against Tyranny: Stop Discriminating Against Non-Woke Students

Our education system is changing rapidly and the once vital skills of debate and reason have been washed away with a fear of offence and disagreement. James Harvey is our guest today and he is a student who has had to stand his ground. It would have been so much easier to fit into the woke madness and keep his head down, but that's not James. He has bravely stood for common sense, reason and debate in his university so he joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his experiences and also to talk about how and why he set up Students Against Tyranny.James Harvey is a 19 year old who is the founder of Students Against Tyranny, a platform to connect like-minded students so they don’t feel so isolated and alone in their beliefs.He is also a proud journalist for Voice of Wales and the host of the Thursday evening show on Unity News Network.Follow James on social media.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/vowjamesTwitter: https://twitter.com/JamesHarvey2503?s=20Follow and support Students Against Tyranny.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/SATOfficialTwitter: https://twitter.com/SATOfficial_1?s=20Telegram: https://t.me/studentsagainsttyrannyofficialCatch James every Thursday at 8pm on Unity News Networkhttps://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/Originally broadcast live 24.4.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Today, we're going to look at education, which we've looked at in varying degrees, but this time, what it is like for those going through university at the moment.And it is wonderful to have James Harvey with us tonight. James, thank you so much for your time.
 
(James Harvey)I really appreciate you having me on.
Not at all. Watched you, what you're doing with Students Against Tyranny, obviously, seeing you on Voice of Wales, and you're there in the Voice of Wales set, well-known to us all.Obviously on Unity News. When are you on? Is it Tuesday or Thursday evenings?
Thursday evening at 8 p.m. on UNN.
So we'll catch you there. And your handle there at JamesHarvey2503.People can follow you on Twitter and find out what you're up to.Obviously you were at the fifth anniversary Unity News Network, and I saw a number of pictures you put up over those few days.
Yeah, it was absolutely brilliant. So I got to meet some people that I, you know, I've spoken to a lot online, never met them in person, like Siraj for example, correct not political, stuff like that. And it was just, it was an amazing couple of few days really. I mean, on the first day we went outside the Ministry of Defence and unrolled a banner. Straight after that, then we went to Parliament Square where I got to wave a placard around that said not a penny more to the Zelensky regime in front of all the Extinction Rebellion lot. And have a few conversations with them as well, because that's what it's all about, isn't it? Free speech and you know, ability to debate and I found that with groups like Extinction Rebellion, they're a lot more willing to have that conversation with you than say Antifa or stand up to racism. So yeah, I enjoyed it.
No, absolutely. And we're going to talk about your, maybe your background first. I know I followed the issues you've had, I guess being a conservative student, someone who believes right and wrong, common sense.You can't wake up and change your gender over your cornflakes or whatever area that we are being bombarded with.And I kind of watch my kids in school, but obviously at university, which is supposedly a bastion of free speech where your ideas are challenged, where you clash with other people and you come out a better person because you better understand issues.It is becoming very, very different. do you just want to give us a I guess a snapshot of what it has been like for you and the difficulty you have faced?
 
So I've faced a lot with my university but what I will say is that what I found through my research is that the highest ranked universities are often the most restrictive around free speech. If you're going to a university that focuses on your creativity over your academic ability, then usually that university is much better in terms of free speech. So for example, if you go to Cambridge or the Imperial College, where they're very highly ranked in the UK, they are very restrictive around free speech and they're more likely to punish you for wrong think and being outspoken in kind of conservative and liberal viewpoints.My university, which is Trinity St. David's in Swansea, is it focuses on creativity over academic ability.So I found that it's much better in terms of free speech. However, I have faced some issues along the way.So there was two videos, right?So there was one video where I basically talked about one of our teachers who'd made a student drop out by going on a rant about toxic masculinity and all this kind of this anti-man feminism stuff, right?And so I did a video talking about that. That got quite a lot of views on Twitter.And then I also, I remember they brought up a picture in my class of a Hindu woman standing up to a member of the EDL.And I'd taken like a five second video clip. You couldn't see anyone's faces.You couldn't hear anything. I was just showing exactly what was on the screen.And yeah, that got me in a lot of trouble with my university as well.So what they said is that I broke the lecture recording policy and I put student lives in danger.By publicizing it pretty much, right?So I had an email basically telling me they were gonna instigate disciplinary procedures against me which I immediately got in touch with Neil McCrae from the workers of England, who's a brilliant man.And if any students are watching and you are looking for a good union to join, head over to Workers of England.They do a student discount, which is about 48 quid a year. And they're very helpful and very good at dealing with these kinds of situations.Now at first, over email, they were basically telling me that I wasn't allowed legal representation in the meeting.So they wanted it just to be me on my own. I'd fought against this and I said, nope, I'm going to bring someone anyway.Now, the words that we're using, by the way, and Julie, who's watching, I was kind of going back and forth with her about this. The words that we're using was, we don't normally allow legal professionals. We don't advise it.So they're not telling me I can't do it. They're saying, well, we don't suggest it, right?But they're very careful in the words that they use. So I actually attended one of these meetings with my, I managed to, I basically brought in my lawyer anyway, Neil McCrae.I am entitled to legal representation, whether they say I am or not. And so I brought him into the meeting with us andit went much better than I was expecting. They just asked me to remove the videos.Because there was another part of it as well, they said I was causing the university reputational damage. Now that's an interesting point because there's an article in Wales Online called University of Wales Trinity St David's warns that students spreading COVID misinformation could face disciplinary action. So they'd given a statement to Wales Online admitting that I studied there. No one knew I went to that university before they admitted it, so it's their fault thatpeople know I go there. And so if they were so concerned, they wouldn't have given, a statement. They wouldn't have. That's just how it is, right? And so because they'd admitted that I went there, I thought, you know what, it's okay to do videos about my university, right, as you would rightly think. And so, you know, I did these videos not thinking I was getting into trouble. Now, I have removed the videos because unfortunately, otherwise I will be kicked, out. That's what they're saying. So it ended up being no further action, just as long as the the videos were removed.Yeah.
 
I mean, tell me that,because I've talked to others in uni and they basically keep their head down, keep quiet, don't want to rock the boat, think that actually the be-all and end-all of life is a degree.That's not necessarily, no, that is a part of the jigsaw, let's say that. But what do you say to others who just think actually, you know, I can't really speak on these issues, I can be an activist I can engage later on, but I just need to concentrate on these three, four years of my life.
Yeah, well, it's the thing. I mean, a lot of young people, as everyone knows, you know, it's kind of the, um, it's the stereotype of university students right now. Um, that's where it's a very left wing, like you should be left wing. If you're not left wing, there's something wrong with you. That's the kind of dominated belief on a lot of universities. Right, now.The thing is that those who are socialists are those who have read Carl. No. Yeah. Those who are socialists are those who have read Marx and Lenin, right? But those who are anti-socialist are the ones who understand Marx and Lenin, right? Once you read, like for example, with Marx, right, if you read his earlier work, he was a lot more liberal than later on, right? He became far more radicalized during the later periods, right? And so, you know, Marxism is obviously world domination for historical materialism. They attach labels to you like far-right, racist, homophobic, bigots, whatever, in order to shut you up. Yeah, that's that's why they do it. But I think you'll find that there's a quite a silent majority of people who disagree with communism in universities, right? Disagree with the the left's beliefs, right? I found a lot more right wing students than I first thought I would. There's like, for example, there's quite a few Tommy Robinson supporters on my course, right? And that's not something you would expect among university campuses, right?
Love it.
 
It is amazing to see that, right? And they loved my t-shirt as well, because I wore a black and white Unite t-shirt with all the pictures of Tommy and his black mates.So the thing is, the labels only have power if you give them power, right? Like, I couldn't care these days, right? At first, yeah, I cared. Now, I really don't. I mean, we were called far-right extremists the other day in an article from Nation Cymru, and then they used as the face of the Students Against Tyranny far-right was an old lady with a sign that says no to 15-minute cities, right? And this lady, I had a conversation with her, she was a God-fearing woman, right? And so these labels, they shouldn't bother you, right? They're just, at the end of it, at the end of the day, they're just words, right? And I think for me in particular, you know, I'm willing, as long as students, as long as what I'm saying gives students the confidence to speak up, then I'm willing to risk my future employment or whatever and so anyone who's watching who's afraid of the labels don't be don't be they're just words yeah um Marxism only works when you let these labels bother you if if you start speaking up and you you kind of ignore the labels ignore the far right nonsense right then Marxism would never work right would never thrive yeah um so yeah that's that's my advice to anyone watching
 
Okay, sounds good, good advice. Students Against Tyranny, you started Students Against Tyranny as a way of pushing back against the fascism, the censorship, the restrictions that we see.Tell us about what your thoughts were on starting up, because again, people can, be vocal, can speak, it does take time and energy and most people watching don't realise the work it entails building an organization from the ground up. You're not, you weren't dropped into something ready-made. You actually have to build it. So tell us about that idea first of Students Against Tyranny and then about building that up.
 
So it all started with Anna Brees and I know I hate the name as well, right? But she was doing a photo shoot for a website, right?Again, vaccinepassports.com. So I went down there back then, right? She wasn't as bad and as hated as she is now. And I understandably hated as well, but I'd sat down, but after the photo shoot, we were all at the pub and she, you know, I sat down with her and I did an interview in that interview. I said, what was it? If you allow the government to break the law and to violate your rights because of an emergency, what's stopping them from creating an emergency to break the law. And it went viral on Twitter, got a lot of views.I used that then to kind of launch my Twitter and a couple of days later I had the idea to start Students Against Tyranny. The main reason being is that a lot of people had kind of asked me beforehand when are the students going to start standing up, stuff like that, so I basically decided to start Students Against Tyranny. We started with a Crowdfunder which in the beginning raised a lot of money but I don't think people realize how quickly money goes, especially when you're running a campaign group. It's like everything just costs so much money and especially with the cost of living crisis as well. The main thing is the traveling, isn't it? But it started as kind of a way to connect like-minded students so they didn't feel so alone and isolated in their beliefs and opinions, especially around the vaccine as well. We were very concerned that, because a lot of friends, you know, have the belief that you should take the vaccine, if you don't, you're killing other people. And you've got parents as well in the schooling system and you had medical students. The main idea was to kind of, if they had a social group to talk to, it would stop the peer pressure and they would decide not to get the vaccine rather than to get it. So that's the main reason why it started, right? But then I look at these groups like Youth for Freedom and Freedom for Teenagers, which is another two youth groups that exist, they're already for the social aspect of things. And then you look at other groups like Stand in the Park and stuff like that, and I kind of realized there is a lot of social groups out there for anyone. So I wanted to move away from that to activism. And so I slowly made that move into activism. Yeah, we did help the medical students at the time, we managed to get our legal letters to all of them. At the time, I think we had about 400 medical students joined Students Against Tyranny just to get the legal letters, which was absolutely fantastic.So we got out there. Sorry, I've lost my point. Yeah, so we kind of moved in the direction of activism. Then we started doing events. So April 9th, 2022, I believe it was, we did an event outside the Imperial College. Now at the time this was the first liberal student rally that had been done in quite a long time, I believe, in the UK.So we managed to get about 35 students and about 15 adults to support us, which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're dealing with left-wing students and students who are scared to speak out, it's quite a large number in proportion. So we did that event, and for a while, you know, it's pretty much just being me and a small team on our own doing this stuff until Wes came along and Wes started doing outreach.And then we got invited to a rally with Ramis and a few other people, which was a youth outreach march.It was led by the youth, which is obviously, was also led by Nazrin, Jess Felicity, Luca, Wes, you know, Monty, some great, great people.And it kind of, there's a lot of young people came along to that event, which is brilliant because it allowed us to do a lot of outreach with them.And now we've started building up, especially recently, a very large team of young student activists who want to get more involved in the freedom movement, which is exactly what's needed.When the youth start stepping up, it's over for them. It is over for them, right?And it's good as well, right, because I post a lot of pictures with young individuals, you know, Students Against Tyranny, and it gives people a lot of hope as well.When they see the youngs- you know, a lot of people have been doing protests now for the past 20 years. When they see the young start standing up, it gives them hope and it gives them a reason to get involved again, because I don't know if you've seen it as well, a lot more people have become black pilled recently, where they believe there's no point of fighting, there's no point of protesting, and there's no point of doing anything.You know, the youth are standing up and it's, we need your support as well. So, I mean, we're in Manchester recently for a student who was discriminated against for his political beliefs. John Christian, we call him. So, we're at Manchester University. Now, as soon as I got there, because I got there an hour before, which was a bad mistake, because as soon as I got there, there was about 20 people, like our supporters, who were waiting there, and then you had 250 antifa start marching down the road right so they're all shouting fascist scum off our streets um accusing me of being a member of the BNP, now now anyone now anyone who knows anything about, students against tyranny we are, and I hate using this term but we are racially diverse right we're, black and white unite you know it's culture war not a race war that's our belief right um a bit like the EDL you know it's black and white unite the at the end of the day it's it's a culture war not a race war I believe the globalists want a race war so I'll stand with of anyone, doesn't matter what skin colour you are.You know, we all bleed the same blood of patriotism. That's my belief in that.But obviously, I'm very outspoken on other issues like Islamic grooming gangs.Now, 250 Antifa come down.Police are like, right, we're going to have to bring in TSG.They have a different name for them up there.But.
 
And TSG is basically the riot police for those not under not from the UK or from London or wherever the TSG is, as most of us hadn't come across the TSG before Covid.
Yeah, well, that's it. in it. But the Antifa arrived, they started attacking us. So they robbed, they stole one of our flags, which we ended up setting on fire. Police were just standing around biting their nails at this point. And then the TSG arrive and they form them. It took them a while, by the way, after TSG arrives, they need to start planning and everything or whatever. It takes them about 20 minutes after they arrive to actually form a line. So they form a line. And by the way, I've been promised before this that they were going to move Antifa into a different section. So they form a line in front of Antifa and they're like you haven't got enough supporters yet.Now, they formed a line, right? By the way, because obviously we got there at 12. This is only half 12. The event doesn't start until one, right? So you've got a lot of people who won't be there until 1 to 1.30. That's when people start arriving in mass, usually.So police have formed a massive line. They're like, right, you haven't got enough support, so we're going to move them back a meter. And that's it. We're going to keep you in the corner, shoved into a corner, and you've got a meter. So then you've got people, right? Because I had loads of messages about this. We've got people who've travelled all the way down from Scotland who can't get through the police lines because police not letting them, which was just absolutely ridiculous. Now we're like, right, we're just going to have to start the event anyway. We're not scared, you know, we're not scared of Antifa. Now they're like, it's funny because there was a guy who was threatening to stab us and that same guy was like, why are you here? Why are you here?Give your speech, give your speech. And loads of other people will get like, give your speech, give your speech. And then as soon as we start giving our speech, they're booing us really loudly, playing loud music, drumming, which has just proven our point. We're there because of free speech.They're there counter-processing free speech, shutting down free speech, and they still think they're the good people in all of this.It's just absolutely astonishing to me. So I was, by the way, we have, so we have a lot of, alter cants where we watch all of these antifa lot, right? We, we, we very, we keep a very close eye on all of them. And we've seen tweets where they're talking about militant antifascism, because I'm talking about our event, right? And there was a teacher from Manchester university.It was like militant, and I agree with all of you, but I don't think militant antifascism is the way.And they're like, yeah, it is. It is right. There was a massive debate about it. So they're admitting that theirs is a militant organization, right? Now they use threats, violence to intimidate and suppress political opponents. That is the definition of terrorism. Antifa are terrorists.There's no doubt about it. Antifa are a terrorist organization and they need to be shut down. Now we're not scared of Antifa. They can set my flag on fire. They can come after me all they want, right? I will be back in Manchester on the 3rd of June at 1pm, 188 Oxford Road. I'll be there again.I'm not up there to have a massive fight with Antifa, but anyone who's watching, if you can come, please come. We need your support, right? If there's enough of us, Antifa will get moved into a different section, right? And we need enough of us so we can talk to the wider public, we can have our voices heard by the university rather than shut down by the tyrannical Antifa.So, if you can be there, please do, 3rd of June in Manchester, thank you.
Well, let's, so you've got two events, so let's do one by one and kind of why these are important.So, the one coming up, what most, just next month actually, is on 15-Minute Cities, and that's in Swansea.So, tell us about that first.Yes, so I'm really looking forward to this one because last Monday we had 40 people out for outreach on a Monday.Now that's pretty good numbers for a Monday. Just for handing out leaflets.So that was absolutely fantastic. Now that day we'd made the news twice.So there was one article in the morning, far-right extremists plan to gather in Swansea.Yeah. And it was mainly a hit piece on banners and bridges, which I'm very proud of them because it's the first time getting in the news. I do a lot of work with them. It's run by Sasha. You can find them on Telegram if anyone's interested. They run a lot of regional groups across the UK.And then there was a second article which came out after the event actually happened, and it was Police Attend Far-Right Extremist Outreach March, or whatever.And now that was very cleverly worded, right, because police attend all events, doesn't mean there was any fights or anything, or we were violent or whatever.The reason they attended was because Stand Up To Racism will be counter-protesting us on the 7th, right?All be counter-protesting us on the actual protest day. And so they were there to make sure, well to keep the peace or facilitate it, it's their favorite word now, to facilitate a peaceful protest and make sure that Antifa or Stand Up To Racism didn't turn up to counter-protest us. So yeah, it was very cleverly worded and that's exactly where they used the picture of the elderly woman holding a sign that said no to 50-minute cities as the face of the far right, which I found really interesting. Now there's going to be a lot of Students Against Tyranny coming as well, we've got a few Welsh ones who are going to be coming and you've got some traveling all the way down from England to just support us because there's rumours of Swansea Online attending with a film crew which I'm really excited over because you know I'm quite hopeful of this.The thing is with Covid and with vaccine and stuff like that we had a lot of people telling us to f off doing the middle finger, arguing with us constantly. With this, people care more. And the reason people care more is because it hits them directly in their pocket. This is a war on motorists and the majority of the world's a motorist. Well, not the majority of the world, but the majority of the UK and the US and all of that are motorists, right? They'll drive a car. So they'll,It will affect them and they'll care about it. Now stand up to racism have been leafleting about this in Swansea. And they, and in their video, they did it with Stan, right? They didn't recognize which is funny because they're leafleting about Stan as well. So Stan's having a conversation with them and they're like, oh, so 15 minutes a day is a great idea, right? It's everything located within 50 minutes. And Stan's like, well, won't they fine you for leaving your zone? And they're like, no, no, that's a conspiracy theory. But then you look at Oxford and what they've done in Oxford. So what they've done in Oxford, right? It's not just you can't leave your zone. So you can leave your zone for up to a hundred days a year, right? Free of charge. Now, after those 100 days, you will have to pay £25 a day that you're driving. Now, that's if you live in Oxford.If you don't live in Oxford, you have to pay 75 quid a day.Just to drive around. You pay road tax. Why are you having to pay this? Now, I hate this argument that, it's like the smoking ban in pubs. It's not like the smoking ban in pubs. It's like saying, you can't smoke unless you pay me, and then you can smoke. That's exactly what it's like, right?All this ULEZ stuff, but it's not just about money. It's not just about money. They have money.What it's about is it's making driving a luxury for the rich and too expensive for the poor, or hindering your ability to travel.That's what it is about. It's about control, yeah? And so we're going out now with a team within the next couple of weeks to leaflet and leaflet and leaflet and raise awareness of this and get people there.It's gonna be a big, big demonstration. We've got some great guest speakers.We've got Paul Burgess, who's a climate realist. He runs a channel, Climate Realism with Paul Burgess.He worked for Welsh Water for nine years and has been developing a mathematical model of climate change for the past 30 years. We've also got Ben Walker, who's the chairman of UKIP.We've got Debbie Hicks, who's from Keep It Cash. You've got myself, and we've got a few more that we're working on getting. So it's gonna be a big day. I'm looking forward to it.If you are Welsh, come support us. It's gonna be great.
Well, obviously we've watched Oxford and what they're doing there.We obviously, all around London is the, not only the ULEZ, but LTN, so Low Traffic Neighbourhoods Restricted Off. I think Haringey wants to have 90% of their roads cut off.And of course, you're right, it is a war on, it is a war on the working class because I know people who they have a vehicle, if they drive their vehicle to their home, they'll be charged.And yet the price of a new car is out of reach of most people.And then you're looking at second hand, but most people don't have the ability to sell off something that's maybe only worth maybe 2,000, 3,000, and then you're paying three times that at least for any second-hand car.So it is punishment. At least you don't have Sadiq Khan telling you what to do.Well, you're absolutely right, because on the 27th now in Cardiff, the council's actually meeting to discuss a congestion charge, a ULEZ zone, all of this stuff, right?Now, the congestion charge is a rather interesting one because we don't get much traffic in Cardiff other than rush hour. So I don't know what they're on about there, But they've got a meeting on the 27th at 2pm at City Hall, so I'm going to be outside obviously.To discuss bringing this in. It is just a war on motorists. They want us to use public transports, right? But especially in Wales, and I know London's exactly the same, it's not reliable.It's absolutely not reliable. I mean, we have the funding to fix it, but what we spend on rainbows on a bloody road, because that's going to make a difference. It's absolutely ridiculous. And people are buying this as well. The fact people are buying this, I am ashamed to call myself Welsh. We were known for fighting and getting out there. But after COVID, if you saw that, the amount of people who were just brain dead sheep, it's vile. It absolutely is.
And I'm assuming, although it doesn't really matter much difference, because there isn't really much right and left in any of these issues, but I'm assuming, not having looked for a while at that make up of the Welsh Assembly.I'm assuming it's Labour and then Plaid Cymru who have the majority.
 
Yeah, that's right.Wow, so you're not gonna get any sense out of any of them. So, Plaid Cymru for those outside is the Welsh Nationalist Party, who is as dumb and awful as the SNP, the Scottish Nationalist Party.
The best way to describe them is they want independence, but they want us to re-join the EU.So, that's just coming. Sorry, my bad, I got them confused then.
This is stupidity, so tell us, so you've got the event, talk to us about the event in June and then I wanna talk more about, a little bit about discrimination, which people face in university, just having some common sense views, but tell us what was the event in June you talked about?
So it is a really, really long story, this is.I haven't got it all off the top of my head, but I can give you a piece.
We've got all night, James, don't worry.
 
I can definitely give you a brief rundown of what happened. So, if anyone does want to view the full story, it is on urbanscoop.news, how Manchester University conspired against a non-woke student. If you want to give that a read, the full story of exactly what happened is in there, because it is a very, very long story.Now, the best way to describe it, right, is pre-2016, universities were a place of free speech.They were. Now, when Trump, with the Trump presidential election and with Brexit and all of this, something started to happen to university campuses, right? There was a massive shift in the way the administration handled things, right? All of a sudden, it wasn't okay to have voted Brexit. That's the kind of mentality, right? So they kind of clamped down on free speech a whole lot more. Now, John, so John Christie and the student in question here, he'd basically, he was in university pre-2016. After 2016 he got accepted into a PhD program.So yeah, now he'd gone to a seminar event with about 250 research professors, students and faculty.Now in this seminar, a student unbeknownst to John had announced to the class that he'd voted to leave the European Union. Now all of these students then started debating and he was up for it, he loves to debate, that's exactly what universities were pre-2016 and so he was debating a lot of the students on that. Now after this he'd noticed that a lot more people would invite him to the pub and stuff like that and they'd have a debate with him. Now what he didn't realize, and the full story as I said is on UrbanScoop, now what he didn't realize until much later is that that's what they were trying to do, it's trying to find something they could be offended over so they could go to the university and report him for offending them and making them feel uncomfortable.Right? So he'd constantly, by the way, get pulled in to a disciplinary as someone had been offended over what he'd said and he'd get into trouble, whether that be suspended isolation, whatever, right? But he'd constantly have to go through disciplinary meetings and this went on for ages, right? Now, without further explaining that, again, the full story is on UrbanScoop.If anyone remembers the Irish abortion referendum, I think it was 2019, I'm not too sure on that one.Someone had actually come into his office and there was a group of them who came to his office celebrating over the results of the Irish abortion referendum. So what this did is it legalized abortion, right? That's what it did, right? So it legalized abortion in Ireland and he'd asked them to leave because they were making him feel uncomfortable, basically using the tactics that they were using and what he said was is that he wants to debate this topic but he knows if he does then he's going to get pulled into a disciplinary, right? And so what had happened was he'd asked them to leave, they left and then they'd reported him again but this time they, and he was pulled, sorry, he was pulled into a disciplinary and what they said is that even though he'd followed all the rules that he still made students feel uncomfortable by not celebrating with them and so he was in trouble again. Now the story is absolutely mad but eventually what's happened was he was basically, they refused to assess his thesis after five years of studying for it, right, he doesn't get a refund, no sorry he does get a refund, he was on a scholarship program but after five years of studying for his PhD, which is a long time to waste if you're not going to get your qualification, they refused to assess it and it's an absolutely mad story. So the ultimate reason of that was he's actually, if everyone remembers in 2018, It was to do with, no.I can't remember what year exactly it was, but there was a year to do with BLM. BLM was very big in the mainstream news. He'd actually written to his university president and had basically said that they shouldn't be backing BLM because BLM is a Marxist organization and Antifa, they've been causing riots and stuff like that. And so the concern is they could say there were too many books in the library that are written by white people and not enough black people and so they could burn down the library. At the time that was a genuine concern and so then he got pulled into a meeting for threatening to burn down the library which he never did. Listen it's a massive story and I've got to memorize it to talk about it fully but if anyone does want to read it it's on ubanscoop.news so yeah.
 
Yeah make sure and check out and if anyone is not subscribed I'm sure any of our viewers will be, but make sure and subscribe to urbanscoop.news and you can get all of that great content, more and more content going up there regularly, so it is all available there. Just on kind of looking at universities, because my worry is that if students keep quiet until they get through, then they'll be so indoctrinated that they will come out, they may go in with the good intentions of holding on to common sense views and beliefs.But at the end of it they will be fully indoctrinated because they haven't learned how to push back and have absorbed those. You're obviously taking a stand.You're becoming more and more public in all different ways. So I guess what you're doing is laying down a line and saying this is really how you can be a student, hold on to your beliefs, get your education, actually you can have it all, it is possible.
Yeah, this is the thing right, I've got friends who are now in university, now before they went into university they were straight normal people, they've come now, I've seen a massive transformation, they're now got pink hair, identifies as a they-them, you know still trying to figure out their bloody gender, and it's not just my friends, you know, you look at, there's a hundred thousand transgender people in the UK.It's a huge problem. Now, I do a course in my university on film and TV. Do you want to know the stuff I've learned? So, in one lesson, I remember I learned about anti-Trump views, anti-capitalist views. I learned about climate change. Now, when we're given coursework and stuff like that, the topics we are given are very left-wing topics. I don't want to say right-wing, I'll come at them from a very liberal standpoint, but they are very left-wing topics that, yes, do need to be discussed, but the concern is, say in Manchester or Imperial College or Cambridge, if you come, like if you do what I do and come at the coursework from a liberal standpoint, you are going to be punished, and that is evident from the John Christian story.So the thing is, every student who is watching this now, you can have your beliefs, right? They may punish you or whatever, but what's the point in spending four years pretending you're something you're not. I thought that's what the entire trans movement is about in the first place isn't it? It's pretending you're something you're not, which that isn't the case at all. You're pretending to be the opposite sex. But you shouldn't have to worry about what other people think. And we are trying to bring free speech back to universities. I've made some great plans and I do want to give a big shout out to Kate Shimirani who's done some fantastic work and is working with us now on doing some Billboard Chris style videos, you can have your beliefs right, there is a support, there are support groups out there, we are growing every single day.You know, there are more people who want to get involved with Students Against Tyranny and what we're building, so if you are watching, please, please, please get involved and listen, parents out there as well, if your kid wants to go to university, my suggestion is look for the ones that are very highly ranked in regards to free speech and not so much in academic ability right, I mean yeah Cambridge University is considered one of the tops but at the end of the day it's just a piece of paper. It is just a piece of paper. Send them to a university where they're not going to get indoctrinated with all this communist, Marxist, Lenin, Trotsky bullcrap because that's exactly what it is. Send them to university that is much better in terms of free speech and isn't so indoctrinated because it's getting bad. Like you know when... See the thing is with this campus debates campaign we've launched which is our free speech campaign, We've been trying to get into universities to debate students, we've been trying to get university societies to work with us. Now the university societies that do have free speech, no, that do have debate in societies like Edinburgh for example, which got famous for the What is a Woman documentary counter-protest that happened, right?We'd actually reached out to universities like that asking if we can come there to debate students.They were like, no, you're too extreme. That's their view when it comes to us.We're not that extreme, right? About 20 years ago, we would have been marked liberal to moderately left. Do you get what I mean? And now we're far right, but the far left are just normal left, which is something I've never understood. So you've got Edinburgh University and all of of them doing, you know, not allowing us to come there because we're too extreme. And then you look, at universities like Bradford, for example, no right-wing societies at all. No conservative society, no free speech society, no debating society. Do you know what they do have though?They have an Afghanistan society, they have an Islam society, they have an LGBT society, they have all of these very left-wing. But where's the support groups for the right-wing ones?Well, no, you're right. And, I mean, just talk to someone like Andy Ngo and he'll tell you how caring and friendly any Antifa group is.They actually they no longer present. It's weird because these organizations no longer present themselves to be, to be moderate or fair. They are so aggressive.So in your face, they are so overwhelmed, I guess, with hate that there is no, there's no façade anymore. It's all there for everyone to see.Yeah. And this is the thing as well. I mean, a lot of them, because I love, I absolutely love debating a lot of these students.So I do it to a lot of my friends as well.And I don't really have them as friends anymore, but that's not the point. Right.Um, so I remember getting into a debate before about capitalism, right.And they're, they're basically saying that, um, the reason that communism would work well, the reason that communism hasn't worked so far is because it's capitalism, communism, and, um, it needs to be socialist communism in order for it to work.That's their main argument, but every time it starts off as socialism, we're always ends up as capitalist communism, so I've no idea what they're on about. Now they use the UK today as an example that capitalism doesn't work. Now, this is the thing, we don't live in capitalism, right? We don't. We live in corporatism, right? Where companies are more worried about social justice and equality, right? That's corporatism, that's not capitalism.We don't live in a capitalist society. We live in corporatism and we are heading towards a communist dystopia. That's the direction we're going in.Listen, I love debating that topic and there's another big one that I love doing, that's gender.Gender is one of my favorite topics to discuss because it's so sad.We're going to end up with, well, we are ending up with a generation of young, sterile men.Who in seven to 10 years will commit suicide.It's very upsetting to see that happen, especially a lot of the friends I grew up with heading down that direction, mutilating themselves, because they think it's helping them. The thing is, and I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, I don't think the blame is necessarily on transsexuals. I believe the blame is on the people around them. Because we've admitted, as the Gender Recognition Act 2004 says, this is a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that is recognized by the medical community, right? And instead of getting the real help they need, whether that be therapy sessions, whatever, we are instead feeding into their delusions a bit like saying to a schizophrenic, schizophrenic person that yeah everything they believe is happening to them is happening to them right, it's not healthy for them it isn't right and so we need to well that's my main concern is what we're doing to young men and what we're allowing to happen and all of these doctors who are willingly mutilating young men you know carving meat out of their legs to create a prop that doesn't work because it doesn't, it doesn't, it's just a sack of meat. You know, I, I interviewed someone called Richie for Voice of Wales, um, who's de-transitioned, right? 30 years old, he made the decision.He was 30. He was offered it in his first therapy session, majorly regret it, right? Now he's told me he can, he has a very low sex drive. He's depressed. He cannot have, he cannot, let's just, say have fun during sex. It's really messed him up. And that's one of my, I'm very passionate about this topic. So again if any students are watching or if anyone clips this, push this to Twitter. Just find us on Twitter, you see the...Username below and on Telegram Students Against Tyranny Official. Invite me to your university, man. Have a debate with me. I'm willing to debate anyone on any topic. So yeah, see you there.
Completely. And I agree with you, just to finish, I agree with you that my issue is not with the crazy activists, but it's with the government who've let this happen. It's with the Tavistock Clinic. It's with those doctors who mutilated children, sexually abused children, and will get away with it and we'll start working whatever the next clinic the government starts and no one is actually punished for that great evil. I'll just say to the viewers and listeners, if you are a university student and do want James, contact him directly, but by all means feel free to drop us info@heartsofoak.org and we'll certainly pass anything on to James. He has a great knowledge, he is passionate, he knows the issues, so why not bring him along. What could go wrong?What could go wrong? Maybe someone might actually hear some truth for once in a university setting, it'd be great.
 
Well, Antifa has pushed us in the direction now, so we can't even announce where we're going to be. Like with Wes, he was doing the outreach, right? I remember he went to Scotland to do some outreach, and then he was met with Antifa, counter-protesting him there.So it's really difficult to get anything done. So now it's kind of pushed us now in the direction of not announcing where we're going to be or what we're going to do, which ends up working out in in our favour anyway. So listen, if you are a student once it gets there, you can do it.You can do it anonymously like, you know, send us an email. Everything you say stays between us and you can get us into your university without putting the name to it.So, yeah, just let us know. Thank you.
Sounds good, James. Thank you for coming on. Love what you're doing with Students Against Tyranny, love how you're getting out and getting the message out. So thank you for coming on and sharing with us here at Hearts of Oak.I really appreciate it, Peter.
 
Not all. Make sure the viewers and listeners follow the links in the description, or just jump on James' Twitter handle and follow everything there. You can keep an eye on those events coming up. All the information, all the details will be on his Twitter account, so make use of that. And just goodbye to all our viewers. Enjoy the rest of your Monday. We'll be back with you on Thursday, looking at the WHO. Michele Bachmann's back with us again and discussing an issue that she is passionately concerned about, which is WHO and their impact on all of us, and the World Health Assembly meeting coming up in Geneva next month. And she unpacks some of what we will be facing from that. So on that, I have a good night to everyone. And for those listening, Podbean app or any podcasting app, thank you for listening on on the go and we'll be back with you on Thursday.So thank you and good night to you all.

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

Expect straight talking and common sense in abundance as Leilani Dowding joins Hearts of Oak for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving her unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the papers and from her social media.Join us as Leilani and Peter take a look at....- Penny Mordant, leader of the House of Commons, attacking Andrew Bridgen MP for speaking up for the vaccine injured.- 'My daughter’s life has been ruined by the Covid vaccine, and so has mine' A heart-breaking story from a mothers perspective.- VAERS death data and justice for the family of a Doctor who died 10 days after receiving his first dose of AstraZeneca.- Evolution of The Soy Boy: A 20 year old now has the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man.- NATO allies 'agree Ukraine will become member'.- Bud Light's marketing leadership undergoes a huge shake up after 'woman-face' controversy.- Censorship, YouTube and being demonetized for not playing along with delusions.- Mob Rule: Large group loot gas station in LA and the Police couldn't intervene.- In a story that’s been suppressed by the media for years, Elon Musk reveals Mark Zuckerberg gave $400M in the 2020 US election in support of efforts that benefit the Democratic Party.- UK Government Nationwide Alert: Who else is turning their alerts off on Sunday?Leilani Dowding is a regular contributor to The Mark Steyn Show. Half-Filipina, half-English, she is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant. Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers. She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.Follow Leilani on Twitter...https://twitter.com/LeilaniDowding?s=20Catch her Wednesdays on the brilliant Mark Steyn Show...https://www.steynonline.com/Originally broadcast live 22.4.23
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(Hearts of Oak)It is wonderful to have Leilani Dowding with us today. Leilani, thank you so much for joining us today.
(Leilani Dowding)Thanks for having me on. Always a pleasure.
 
Not at all.It was good to bump into you at Comcast and I've been on with you, different times on Ickonic, and people can obviously follow you there is your Twitter handle on the screen, also in all the descriptions, and they can catch you on Mark's Steyn.Tell us about that. You're on regularly on Mark's new show.Yeah, so I'm on Mark's show on a Wednesday night with a couple of other people and we just kind of talk about the news and stuff that's going on.But Mark's got his own channel now on his own website, marksteynonline.com.So all of the shows are on there.Obviously, with everything that happened with Ofcom, he's no longer on GB News and they seem to just keep wanting to employ politicians or ex-politicians.So, you know, Mark had to go do it himself, but just like you, doesn't do it on YouTube either. So, yeah.
It's much safer, but people can get it. Mark can get it on steynonline.com.You can get everything directly on Mark Stein's website.So let's jump in and look at our first story, which is the wonderful Penny Mordant, who could have been Prime Minister, although I'm not sure she'd really be any worse.Pro-Jam, do you wanna just play that clip of Penny?What other colleagues are not doing is promoting false propaganda, which is widely known to originate from the Kremlin, abusing and undermining colleagues and the occupant of the chair, and using the autopsy of a 14-year-old girl as clickbait on their social media feed, all of which the Honourable Member has done in the past week.And he might like to reflect on that.
This is obviously criticism of the wonderful, the one and only Andrew Bridgen MP who's spoken up for the vaccine injured, just like Mark Steyn really has done, and that's why he got clobbered by Ofcom for his honest conversations.So, Leilani, tell us about this, about Andrew Bridgen once again being attacked by others in the Chamber.
I mean, what Penny Mordaunt said was absolutely disgusting and disgraceful, isn't it?I mean, she's completely and utterly gaslighting the whole situation, yet again, like they've all been doing.But worse, worse is that she's saying it's Kremlin propaganda.I mean, it's like, it's laughable at this point.Like, really, are we going to say that everything's Kremlin propaganda and it's Russian affiliated or whatever? You know, what Andrew Bridgenhas said is his experience. He's vaccine injured himself. He's spoken up for the vaccine injured.He's, you know, been on the marches. He's tried time and time again to raise awareness to what's going on. And you have this woman standing there. And it doesn't surprise me, though, because, you know, I've seen her on interviews and she kind of is friends with Bill Gates. She won't have a bad word said about him.
 
It's really because I've been really shocked. I mean, I've worked in the Lords for 12 years and have been shocked at the lack of support that Andrew Bridgen, I think Esther McVey has come out and kind of backed him, but I would have thought there was maybe a dozen MPs kind of I would have thought in my mind would have come out and backed Andrew Bridgen and yet there's been silence and you know at the time he spoke in the chamber on this issue everyone got up and left and he was speaking to an empty chamber.
 
Yeah I saw that it was a disgrace, absolute disgrace. You saw somebody like tap someone on the shoulder then go over and usher everyone out. So there's obviously a big orchestrated effort here to keep it under wraps and keep it silent and not talk about it. Now they're going to keep, it seems, sticking to this official narrative that things are safe and things are effective and the public know it's not true. Now at this point they're learning. A lot of people know other people now that are a vaccine injured.I know a few personally, myself, and that's if they're lucky.That's if they're not dead.So for Penny Mordant to completely and utterly lie like that, and then Andrew Bridgen, I think he posted the autopsy of a 14-year-old girl in Japan.For her to then say that's just clickbait, I actually don't have any words for it, because it's just, It blows my mind that this can happen.No, it does. And it's, when you, you get excited whenever you see one politician stand up, but then whenever they're just attacked by every single other politician.But again, I guess it's fear of the leadership of the Conservative Party, because they realise that when the truth gets out, it'll not just be Dominic Raab just simply resigning, it'll be the rest of them and serious issues.And I guess they're all thinking of their jobs.
 
And that's the thing, isn't it?It's a bit like the Thalidomide.It took, what was it, 10 years for it to come out. And I don't think that these people want to speak about it yet, because these people are the people that were pushing it.They were telling their constituents, they were telling the country, take it, it's safe, it's effective.You're gonna end lockdowns. It's the only way to stop the lockdowns.They put us in these lockdowns.They put all these stupid measures out. They put the fear of God into people that they would never be able to get back to normal unless they took the jabs, then they coerce people into them. So for them to suddenly say, ooh, you know, we made a mistake.It would be the right thing to do, but you know, they're not good, honest, genuine people working there. So you know, it would be the right thing for them to say I made a mistake, but they won't. And it seems like the only person doing that now is Andrew Bridgen.Well in the media it's the same, and here is an article, Leilani, which you had retweeted, and this is Conservative Woman, which seems to be, well it's regularly talking about this issue, and is one of the few doing it and 'this is my daughter's life has been ruined by the COVID vaccine and so has mine' and it goes in the story written by someone who is anonymous again there is a fear of speaking truth on this and it just starts off this is the latest in our series of accounts of injuries caused by COVID-19 vaccines this is a heart-breaking story by Karen from a mother's perspective. And it's heartening, it's harrowing that this story has to be told, it's heartening that you have great publications like Conservative Woman getting this out.But again, they seem to be a voice in the wilderness in regards to other media outlets.That's right. There's very, very few people and media outlets talking about it. We saw it with Charlotte Wright's case, which I'll go into a bit later. There was just no media outside the court when they had the new coroner's review. And so there's very, very, as you said, very few cases, but this is heart-breaking. And you do see who the victim is, you see the daughter in it, because it shows her GoFundMe page, and there's photos of her and what happened and how she turned from this lovely, vibrant, she's only 36, so you know, much younger than me, this vibrant woman with two children and a husband, to somebody that was in a coma from I think it was blood clots and she was in a coma and she was in hospital a long time, she cannot walk properly, she can't, you know, bath herself and what have you, she can't get up her stairs, you know, she's really struggling because her house, you know, is a two-story house, there's no downstairs shower room, so she's, you know, it's an absolute nightmare, and of course, you know, where's the government support? They're not, you know, there's no, there's very few bungalows for her to go in, she can't work anymore, you know, they're struggling to pay the bills, and on top of this, you know, she really needs a carer. So it's, you know, it's another horrific situation.And I think the compensation that is being given out is pitiful. It's pitiful, whether it's for the vaccine bereaved, it's pitiful whether they're injured. And of course, big pharma have the only immunity around, financial immunity, you know, they should be paying out for these poor people to be looked after and taken care of, or the private health care that they need, or alternative kinds of health care.
 
And I guess whenever, and she talks about her daughter being in a coma for six or eight weeks, horrendous, and I guess the fear is that if someone goes to a hospital with a vaccine injury, that that's not a, that's not taken into consideration. So I could imagine they look for everything except that and by the time they come around to accepting that it could be too late for many people that's the scary reality.
 
And I don't even know if you know if they recognized it as a vaccine injury if there's anything that can actually be done to, you know to remedy that because I guess they just have to treat it as a stroke and it's just, oh sorry I accidentally pulled that out, it's just whether or not they canget themselves back into any state of health. And a lot of these poor people can't, Andrew Bridgen can't. He's, you know, I think he's, he's got to be on drugs, I think, for the rest of his life. Luckily, it's only antihistamines, because he gets, you know, these allergic reactions every time he stops now since but, you know, for some people.It's this and it's absolutely horrific.
Well, let's look at some of the data which you had put up, some of the VAERS data.Projam, can you just double click on that graph and bring it up full screen?And this shows the top is, let me bring it up, the top is all US deaths reported to VAERS by year.And as you can see, there's a pattern from 1990 up until 2020.That pattern is there are very, very, very few not even registered on this. And then something happens in 2021 and these are only the ones that are reported through the system. But I mean, tell us about, you put this up, tell us about this graph.
 
So Dr Thomas Binder put this up in response to what I put about Charlotte Wright. So what happened with Charlotte Wright is her husband, Stephen Wright, died 10 days after having the vaccine, and for a long time they wouldn't acknowledge that it was the vaccine that caused it. I think it's taken her about two years and about two days ago she, was it Wednesday, she went to court, she went for a coroner's review and they actually changed the death certificate to say AstraZeneca. So in a way it was a relief, Obviously, it doesn't bring any comfort, her husband's dead now. But the most insane thing is that he was classed as unvaccinated, because it was within two weeks or 14 days of the vaccine, they had natural causes, unvaccinated. So I think Dr. Thomas Binder was trying to demonstrate that, you know, that a lot of the deaths that are supposedly unvaccinated people dying could have been people that had the same reaction as him. And I know there's a lot of people who, wouldn't even think twice about it being a vaccine and just think, you know, oh, you know, it must be something rare that's happened. It's not the vaccine. It's a random blood clot. And it doesn't occur to them.But luckily, you know Charlotte fought so hard and for so long to get this acknowledged and recognised and changed.I hope this can open the door now for other people who have questions about, you know, someone passing away within 14 days of the vaccine and then it just not even being recorded as a vaccine injury or vaccine death.
 
I mean, Charlotte's story is so important because I'm sure there are many people who have tried and simply haven't got anywhere, and now they see actually there is recognition available, then I do hope that gives many courage to actually find out the truth about the deaths of their loved ones.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's really scary to think. I know a couple of people who say they have friends who kind of had heart attacks randomly, previously quite healthy people who didn't, think they had any underlying illnesses, just pass away of a heart attack or stroke. And I, you know, and then I think, I can't say it, I want to ask the question, but I can't say it. And I'm pretty sure, you know, that they had, they had the jab, but you know, and it's not really the right time to ask, is it? But I don't think...
It is a difficult conversation to have. It really is.So yeah, but you know, hopefully now this is opened a couple of doors for people. And the gaslighting has to stop and the censorship and you know what she was, she's been censored a lot she's been shadow banned. There's another lady that appears on Mark Stein's show, Vicky Spitz, her fiancé died the same way. She's been banned off Twitter for talking about it and there are so many people with vaccine injuries or have loved ones who've, you know, died from it, that can't even speak about it on social media.It's like, no, bye, let's, you know, wipe them off. And another one like Gareth Eve, his wife, Lisa Shaw, also died of it. And, and there's just, you know, silence, people aren't talking about it on in the mainstream. It's crazy to me. Well, it's not when you know the agenda, and you know, everyone's covering their back, but it's still, you know what I mean?
Oh and the government blame Russian disinformation, of course, of course. It's an easy way out and an easy way dismiss. It's like calling someone a Nazi or whatever, racist, just call them a Russian spy.
They love that. They love it these days. Any like slur you can come up with, just, you know, for anything that or so what now you're a Putin super sympathiser if you believe there's vaccine injuries or something. They'll come out with anything to cover their backs. It's crazy.
Now they will. Well, let's move on to a completely an interesting graphic that you put up. And it was this.And this is talking about the frightening change of testosterone levels of men and how it is affecting masculinity.And there are many things I guess this has done. But I mean, tell us about this, because it is a worldwide issue that is having an effect on the whole of humanity, really.Well, they're saying now that a 20 year old has the same levels of testosterone as a 70 year old would have had in 2020.Was it 2000? Yeah. In the 2000s. And obviously, there's a huge decrease in testosterone, natural testosterone levels that men are making and producing.And I think it comes down to a lot of chemicals that are around.Now, Alex Jones got called an absolute nutter when he said, look, there's these chemicals that are changing the sex of frogs, but it is, I think it's called atrazine.And it will sterilize a male frog, and in some of them will actually change their sex.So if this is in the water, and water just goes round, it gets recycled and purified, then this is going to be in our water.And we're going to be taking it in. And then there's other chemicals, like the BPAs in the plastic, in your plastic water bottles.And when the heat gets on a water bottle or the cold gets on a water bottle, it can make the BPAs come out, and things we store our food in, and microplastics, and all of this.So there were a whole load of chemicals that disrupt, I think it's the endocrine system, whatever it is that produces hormones.I think it's the endocrine system.But I've been saying this for years, that, you know, they keep talking about carbon being the end of the world, and the toxic thing, and that they're making carbon to be out the enemy. But actually, it's these toxins and poisons and chemicals that are entering our, you know, our air, our food supply and our water, that are really going to cause a, you know, a massive problem and lower sperm counts, lower testosterone levels. And I'm sure it probably has the same effect on women's oestrogen levels or, you know, egg production and what have you?Well, see, the push for fertilizers and also the push for GM foods that I guess food companies are looking for maximum productivity and maximum profit, but not really looking into the long term effect it would have on the population.
 
Now, what's really scary as well is when you see the experiments they're doing, kind of the transhuman experiments or trying to grow, something out of the womb and in a sack or, you know, they'll get two male mice and splice their DNA together to create something. It's like, do they even care that, you know, sperm counts are going down? Do they care that the fertility rates are going down? If they can clone things, if they they can breed things outside the human body completely unnaturally.I don't think, I think the answer is they don't.They don't care.That, you know, they're playing God. They put a white coat on and they think they're God and they can do whatever they want.
And of course, if only we had governments who are interested in the well-being of the population as opposed to, I guess, being in bed with these large companies in varying degrees, whether it's financial or contracts.But you wonder what is behind the scenes that would limit the government's desire to actually investigate some of these.Yeah, and you know what, there's probably so much money going around and backhanders being given to each other, little brown envelopes and cash here and there.And then also think about it, if the only way a human can reproduce is to have it done artificially, the amount of money that's going to be generated.And that seems to be all these people care about. When you look at Big Pharma, they're so motivated by money.They really couldn't give a damn about anybody.It's how much money can they make, their profitability, their first priority is their shareholders, not the patients.And they just want more customers and more customers. And here's another way.You have more customers because people can't even reproduce anymore, because all the chemicals from their other products are now reducing our fertility.
Oh, completely.let's just looking on, get our biotech babe, hello. Pat's Canyon, hello. Scotland the Brave.Let me... Gareth1965... Trevor and Chris who commented on so yeah it's fire in your, let us know how you're watching always good to and if I don't actually go through them now I can always go through them after but to drop your comments in. Let's move on to something completely different. Let's move on talking about that Russian propaganda. Let's look at this story in Sky News. NATO allies agree Ukraine will become a member. Jens Stoltenberg, and there he is, if you can just scroll it down, who's the Secretary General of NATO, has repeatedly promised that Ukraine would join NATO throughout the war. Meanwhile, the Kremlin maintains that preventing this from happening is one of the goals of its war in Ukraine. It does seem madness to do the one thing that Russia is scared about. I mean, what could go wrong?Well, this is what's mad to me. I mean, this is what Russia, this was what it was all about, wasn't it? This was supposed to be why Russia invaded in the first place, because they believed that Ukraine was going to become a NATO member, or they were getting too, you know, NATO was pushing too far east for their liking, and what have you. So, you know what, it doesn't surprise me and what but what drives me mad is you never hear anybody calling for peace. We just from day one we escalated it and anybody that wanted peace or de-escalation or any kind of negotiation was called again, name called a Putin sympathizer, Russian apologist, you know whatever it was.And I was one of them because I immediately said I was like come on you know, we just Biden's just pulled the troops out of Afghanistan in the worst way ever now he wants to go and stick them in Ukraine and send all this money over there. We know the Hunter Biden laptops, there's 10% for the big guy. It's just so much corruption. And again, it's the military industrial complex that win out of this. It's never going to be the innocent people. It's not the innocent people of Ukraine. It's not the innocent people of Russia that win. It's the military industrial complex, the leaders, and the people that gain financially out of it.It's like they don't even care about their people dying. And then also we saw in America, the whistle-blower who came out and showed that, I don't know who it was, the guy stood up in the Senate and lied and said, look, we've got this. We're doing well. We're winning.And it showed that seven Ukrainians were dying for every Russian soldier.So how is that winning? completely lied, but the whistle-blower then gets carted off to jail and there's absolutely, you know, no comeback on the people that were lying and doing this.Well, the leader of NATO, he says, 'let me be clear, Ukraine's rightful place is in the Euro-Atlantic family', he told a press conference. Ukraine's rightful place is in NATO. And then I heard Orban coming out from Hungary and saying, hmm, this may not happen. I guess it's good to have some other voices within it that aren't just simply going along with whatever they're told to do by the major superpowers.
 
And I think we've seen, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I think Macron said something about America's involvement as well.But we've seen this over and over again. And then all the propaganda machines come out.My mom was over at the weekend watching Sky News. And it was, please, turn it off.And obviously, it's all the bad things that have happened in Ukraine, supposedly by the Russians.All right, well, this is war. Where were you lot when we were trying to say, please, de-escalate, because there's going to be so many deaths. Do not prolong this.Try and find resolution. But, you know, you're not allowed to say find resolution.You have to say, come on, bomb them, like send them money and everything else.So it's nuts.They just do not care about innocent Ukrainians or Russians, either of them.
No, Ukraine is just a pawn in the middle of the West's attack on Russia, really.Again, moving on to something completely different. Bud Light. So Bud Light, I actually don't know if you, this could be one that you didn't repost possibly Leilani, but I wanted to cover it anyway. So Bud Light's marketing leadership undergoes shakeup. Wow. After Dylan Mulvaney's controversy, who is the bloke who thinks he is a woman. We can happily say that on, not on YouTube. But I saw some of the comments from her saying how wonderful this was about looking at a younger audience and now suddenly, well, she's now gone and been replaced by the global marketing VP, Todd Allen. So it looks as though the anger and frustration and boycott of Bud Light has worked.Yeah, well, you know what? When you actually see what she said about her own customers, she basically, she was so rude about them.I mean, these are Bud Light customers that have probably been loyal to the brand.She's just saying they're so out of touch and calling them kind of fratty, out of touch people.Like, is that what you tell your customers? Is that how you gain brand loyalty?So it doesn't surprise, I'm glad she's gone and it doesn't surprise me.But what's disgusting is that they even got Dylan Mulvaney on there because he's an insult, a complete insult to women.Like, when I was growing up, it's like the legally blonde stupidity, right?Bimbo-esque that I hated growing up as a little girl that made me actually a tomboy because, you know, I thought the stereotypical girly stuff.He takes it to another level. So to watch him is actually such an insult to women.It's like a complete and utter, it's woman face.And it's trying to emulate us in the most ridiculous, stupid caricature of a way.And it's embarrassing. And like, I would not want to be a friends with any woman that behaved like that.So for a guy to dress up and then expect us all to believe and use these pronouns and affirm that he's a woman when he's, he's obviously clearly got a mental illness. And he's a complete and utter attention seeker. I mean, I've seen him. I've seen him, I think he did 'The Price is Right' as a male.
 
Oh, it's so bad.
 
And I'm like, Oh, cringe, can anything be like, it can't be what and then he's doing same moves that he did when Nike sponsored him. And the whole thing is as well with that Bud Lightaffiliation promotion is that he's sat there talking about March Madness now if If you're getting paid,But please, do a bit of research. Find out what March Madness is and the fact it's basketball.Don't be a dim idiot and pretend like you're a girl and girls don't know what sports are and girls don't know that March Madness is basketball. Even when I moved to America and I heard, I was like, OK, what is this March Madness everybody's going out about?It took me two seconds because I look into things. You have to be a complete and utter imbecile.So the whole thing's insulting. And I'm so glad people boycotted it.Sorry, I've got a lot to say on Dylan Mulvaney, don't I?
I hadn't actually come across it before, and I watched some of the videos, and I thought, I do feel very disturbed.I feel as though someone has abused me in some way by watching some of these, which are, and again, as I've said on this regularly, that these people used to be able to go and seek treatment and get help for the conditions they have.And now they're celebrated. and whenever we celebrate people who have got some mental issues, no wonder the world isn't such a crazy place whenever that's not treated but celebrated.
So you're lucky that you didn't see them. I saw them early on.I saw his videos and it was girl, the worst thing was he was talking about it as like, this is day three of girlhood and he had pigtails, he had a little crop top, like a little netball skirt.Like cheerleader outfit.And I'm like, okay, first of all, you're like, you're sick. Like, are you trying to get an audience of young, like 12, 13 year old girls?Then he gets like some tampon sponsorship as well. So my calling, did he call it my female pouch or something?And I'm just like, my female pocket or my female....And I'm like, wow, I don't want some pervy fetishy dude talking about tampons.It's like, it's just disgusting. So, you know, and I've seen fridges full of Bud Light and all the other beers are gone. So I hope long may it continue.
I saw that in Morrison's the other and I didn't post, I meant to post it, but it was a whole massive, and it was, I have never seen beer as cheap as it was, and yet it was, wasn't moving. So yeah, I did have, Bud Light. No, no, I'm not, but like, no, no, no, I'm not buying that. So many people in the same situation.[30:19] Leaving Dylan far behind, as it's frustrating that we need to even talk about a poor person like that. This is Matt Walsh. Projam can you just double click on the Matt Walsh tweet actually and bring it up. This is obviously what we're talking about you cannot discuss on YouTube and this is Matt saying on the 20th of April. 'As I announced during my speech tonight YouTube have demonetized my show and threatened to ban us if we don't respect the pronouns of trans people. I'd rather take my show off YouTube, then cooperate with all that nonsense. So I'm starting Monday. You can watch my free...' And it's refreshing to see individuals like Matt Walsh, who I think is absolutely brilliant, but not bowing down to this censorship and saying, no, that is a bloke. I'm going to call him a bloke. But yeah, tell us about this Leilani.
 
So it's really good to see, and he's another person, just like Mark Steyn, who's like, you know what, I'm not going to be dictated to by some other people about what I can say when I believe it to be right. So why should he be bullied into saying a man is a woman and a woman is a man and using he and her for a her and her for a he? I mean, I won't do it. I absolutely refuse to do it. But I know also Ofcom have given out guidance on it as well, you know, and I think it came about when that Scottish male rapist, dressed as a woman,just because he had a wig, he had a wig on, the guy had a wig on, in leggings you can see his package, and a bit of lipstick, I think the heel, the boots had some heels on, and that was around the time when Ofcom gave out this guidance saying, you know, respect people's pronouns, then you see Richard Madeley on Breakfast TV apologizing profusely for calling Sam Smith he, not not they.And it's like, God, you're all, you know, you're kowtowing to the woke mob and it's not right.So I, you know, I really admire Matt Walsh for this. And he actually got hacked as well.It was really bad. He got his Twitter got hacked.And luckily he was able to get it back. But you know, what's transpired since then is that he's got to have 24 seven security because the woke mob was so after him.So all these people that say they're liberals are only liberal if you agree with their narrative because Matt Walsh has never actually said anything transphobic.Matt Walsh has simply asked, what is a woman?Matt Walsh has said, you know, if you've got a penis, you're a man, if you have a vagina, you're a woman.And I'm not going to use pronouns that you want me to use and affirm your delusions. You know, if to me, I don't see anything wrong with what you said. If you see, you know, a skinny lady, man, lady, whatever, who's anorexic, who thinks they're fat and wants to go on a diet, you don't affirm that by saying, oh, let me help you. Let me get you on this diet. You get them the help they need. And these men are not women. So...
 
Actually I signed up for Daily Wire for the year, simply because I wanted to watch What is a Woman by Matt Walsh.I love it because he lets others speak their stupidity. He puts a microphone and they just talk nonsense.It's great you don't have to speak over them, you don't have to coax them.People are dumb enough to actually spout this nonsense.
No, I'm the same. I got it. And I just, you know, the professor that's talking of gender studies, talking round in circles.And you're like, wow, you're really digging your own grave. And I saw the poor, the trans man, who's a biological woman, saying, look, I'll always be a biological woman.And they got me, and they coaxed me at this age, they've got to leave children alone.And she shows a scar that she's got on her arm from where they take off the skin and make a fake penis.She describes all of the medical issues she now faces as a trans man.And it actually brought tears to my eyes because you could see that she genuinely needed a different kind of help.And all they did is affirm a mental illness that she had at the time. And I know there's a couple of other, trans people I know, you know, the same way that have just said, look, I was in, I was in a really bad place. And they offered this solution instead of talking through my actual problems. And I thought this would be the solution. And I was in such a bad place. I kind of went along with it.And you know and then they get attacked so it's a horrible situation.
 
The trans lobby are, I've you when you when you talk about a range of stuff as as you do Leilani, you kind of wonder where the attacks the response will will come from and the names you'll get called. The trans lobby are, a level above the vitriol, the utter hatred and obviously what you're watching but, the response from them is, I mean, I think it's just possessed that they seem to have such an utter hatred and I'm sure you've seen that as well.
Absolutely, the real full-on trans activists are completely and utterly nuts.I mean, after that school shooting by the trans, you know, the biological female.People, the trans activists were coming out saying that she was misgendered because they called her a she and she should have been a he and they were dead, they dead named her because they should have used her male name and it's like hold on a minute, this woman, person, whatever has killed six people and this is what you come out with and then they were like um well you know you mess with our kids, will mess with yours, meaning, because I think it was in a state that had passed a bill that would not allow genital mutilation of children in that state, and also for children to go on hormone blockers, that apparently is messing with their children, so they have every right to attack others. So yeah, you know, I think the trans activists are some of the most dangerous. I mean, you look at the death threats J.K. Rowling's had.
I think it was Rachel Johnson, Boris Johnson's sister, that said that if she grew up being a tomboy and she was concerned, maybe she wouldn't say it now, but she was concerned that if she was born a few years later, that she would then be a male because she would be pumped full of hormones. And that's the fear that the madness that prevails today is injecting children and destroying them, sexually abusing them in a way where in asituation where kids grew out of things, they experience life, they explore and now we're taking knives and slicing them instead of just letting them grow up.
 
See I always think that, I always, because I was such a tomboy growing up, I mean I was, I thought everything girly was just so ridiculous. I wanted to play with boys toys. I love Transformers. I thought Barbie was ridiculous.I like Transformers and Action Man and I'd climb trees with the boys and I'd get dirty and I didn't want to put a skirt on.And I really feel like they would have, and I even got my school. It went on for a while because I think I was 17 when I got my school to start a rugby team for girls and Bournemouth actually had a female rugby team and I played rugby in it and like the local paper wrote about it but they would have said that, you know, they would have tried to convince me that I was born in the wrong body and you know maybe I was really a guy and it would have definitely it would have destroyed my life.Because you know I think I might have got to 18, 19. I was like oh actually I really like being a girl I actually don't want to be covered in bruises anymore like no more bruises stick with horses, I'll be a girly girl, um... Life's fun as a girl. You know, I got attention from guys and I was, you know, things went back to how they should have been for me. And some girls might not even grow out the tomboy stage. And that's also fine. For them to be a tomboy. It doesn't mean they should be a male and, and, you know, mutilate their genitals and, you know, cut off their breasts. And it's a social contagion as well.
Oh it is, it is. Let's move, End Wokeness is one of the Twitter handles that I've really enjoyed.ProJam, I'm going to play that, it's just 30 seconds long. This is a large mob looting an LA gas station and the police couldn't intervene.We'll talk about what the Leilani said about that in a moment. Do you want to play that?
 
(Video plays)'A Video into our newsroom shows hundreds of people crowding in ARCO near central and Alondra.After smashing the door, dozens of looters flooded into the store, grabbing anything they could. LA Sheriff's deputies, tell us there were thousands of dollars worth of merchandise stolen and a thousand more in damages, this as deputies deal with numerous street takeovers in the city, deputies say they couldn't intervene because of safety concerns as they were very outnumbered. Only one an arrest was made last night.'So they couldn't intervene out of safety. I thought the police would just get involved and put themselves in harm's way, but obviously not. So yeah, the LA police couldn't intervene.You know, what worries me is that this could be possibly done on purpose.Well, first of all, you know, that guy was in the camera, so we can arrest that guy.Surely, they can arrest the guy whose face was there.But what worries me is they're letting this happen, and then what they will then do is say, look, we need to use facial recognition more, because this is going to happen.Or what we need is we need the barriers that go outside the storefronts that you have to swipe to get into, which I've seen.I think there's one on Kensington High Street. I think it's the Amazon store.You have to show your ID to get in.And I saw on Twitter, there was a couple of Whole Foods somewhere in New York where you have to swipe your thing to get in.So this could end up being the gateway into having cameras everywhere, facial recognition everywhere, under the auspices of safety for ourselves.You swipe in to go in, and then you think, well, I'm not going to be one of these looters, so it doesn't matter.But then, next thing, when it's like, hey, you're not allowed to go within a three mile radius of your house, that's then when they arrest you as well.You know, like we saw with COVID, oh, you can't go into this zone, you can't travel out your zones, because I don't know, there's probably people here from other countries, but in England, you had, what was it?Like red, yellow, or green, or something, where if there was more COVID cases in one area, you were probably red and you couldn't go to the next county or drive across the line. So, that's where,you know, in that totalitarian state, that is what it could then be used for. You know, they put it in to stop these people looting in, you know, in mass. But then next time there's a lockdown. It's like, oh yeah, you know, Leilani's broken it again. She's gone over to Derbyshire from Staffordshire, naughty girl. Let's stick her, you know, slap her with a thousand quid fine.
Yeah, because it doesn't, obviously we've seen this in more Democrat controlled, I mean in California's where you can steal a thousand dollars and it's fine. But if you're a shop owner, for you to face that and the police not to turn up, and you're right, it has to be, it doesn't make sense to allow that to happen, so it has to be to push towards something else. That's the only sensible kind of read of what we're seeing.
Because you would think, wouldn't you, that if someone made a 911 call for that, that they'd send out, you know, a big team of policemen, maybe it's America, they've all got guns.Something would happen that, you know, they could control the situation. So if they're not controlling it, then that kind of it has to be, you know, part of the plan. And it's just in California just turned into a complete and utter mess. Anyway, like you said, you can go in, you can you see it all the time on, you know, on social media, the way people go in, and they just put, you know, goods in a bag because they know they can steal up to 1000 quid and nothing's going to happen. And then they literally walk out.You know, I try to post, not to post them because I don't want people to see how easy it is.And you know, it kind of catch on through, you know through sharing it and posting it.But basically that's what happens all over California.And then so many shops have got to close down It's just no point in them trying to do business with it happening, but I can see that that's going to be the way forward.They'll say, well, you know, we're not going to send the police out, but what you can do is you can have these barriers and we'll have facial recognition everywhere, but then it leads to,leads to other things when they start abusing the powers like, you know, we've seen them do.
I think my advice would be to any shop owner, if that happens, when you phone the police, Do let the police know you've been misgendered. I think that's the only way you'll get the police back. And then they'll come out with an armed support unit.
Oh, million percent! But a SWAT team will be there, I tell you, in a second.
That's the only way round it. This is Elon Musk, who is an interesting character in many ways, but, this was an interview he gave to Tucker Carlson. Of course, he's been discussing all different things. We may not, we'll see if we can watch it all, but talking about Mark Zuckerberg, who, obviously the founder and ex-owner of Twitter, gave 400 million in the last election support off at the Democrat party, ProJam. Can you just play that clip there?(Video plays)
'The goal of new Twitter is to be as fair and even-handed as possible, so not favouring any political ideology, but just being fair at all.Why doesn't Facebook do this? I know that Zuckerberg has said, and I take him at face value, that he... Well, I do actually in this way, that he is a kind of old-fashioned liberal who doesn't like to censor, he has, but he, you know, like, why wouldn't a company like that take the stand that you have taken, which is pretty rooted in American traditional political custom, you know, for free speech?My understanding is that Zuckerberg spent $400 million in the last election, nominally in a get-out-the-vote campaign, but really fundamentally in support of Democrats.Is that accurate or not accurate? That is accurate. Does that sound unbiased to you? No, it doesn't.'We could listen to it more and I'd encourage people to watch the full interview and he's been giving different interviews around and setting aside, I know we will both have issues with a lot of stuff that Musk may stand for, especially the transhuman stuff. I think we are loving what he is doing with Twitter and calling out things like that. And in regards to Twitter, he seems to be straight up, wants to do something positive for that. And I guess we should all be applauding that, even though we may have issues with some other areas of his activities.
 
See, yeah, that's the thing. It's like you don't have to agree 100% with everything that everyone does or everyone says. But, you know, I do applaud him for everything that he's doing and saying about Twitter right now, and he's exposed the corruption that's been going on, the blatant, you know, partnerships with the government and the CIA, or, you know, is it the FBI? And, and the censorship, and literally putting people's names down and saying these people can't speak, and for whatever, whatever reason it was, because they were against the narrative. And, you know, I'm sure they would have done it with climate change next too. I'm sure they would have done it with the Russia-Ukraine situation had he not bought it.To me, I wish, you know, Zuckerberg is just so full of it, because like he says, he gave up so much money. And I know for a fact, whatever's happened with Twitter, for sure has happened with Facebook and Instagram. I know that I've been thrown off Instagram. I cannot put my full name on Instagram anywhere. I can't set up a new account. I've had someone within Instagram say to me, gosh, I've never tried to get my account back for me. So I've actually never seen this before.You know, I didn't have to pay him anything. He's like, you can pay me if I can get your account back. He's like, I cannot get your account back. I don't want anything, but I've tried, but I haven't seen this before. You are properly blacklisted. So I am actually...
What did you say? What was so bad?
Well, I was against, I was talking about vaccine injuries. I was showing how easy it was to walk into shops without a mask. I was, you know, when we couldn't sit on furniture, because in the UK, you were not allowed to sit on outdoor furniture or drink a hot drink outside because that was classed as a picnic. I was posting pictures of myself sitting on park benches with a cup of coffee with my sister laughing at the stupidity and I think I had a rant about the word birthing parent and I think I said I'm sorry but you know there are mothers out there who have adopted children who haven't given birth but they'll be more of a mother than a mentally ill person who thinks they are a male. I think I said, so there was a few things, but anyway, I got properly thrown off. You can actually follow me on Instagram now under my last half, of my first name. So Leilani Dowd, I'm on it as that, but I cannot put my full name in my profile anything. So if you were to type in my name, you wouldn't be able to find me. But yeah, anyway, my point being that whatever censorship has been going on and collusion with the government that happened with Twitter prior to Elon, that has most definitely happened with Facebook and Instagram, in my opinion.And, you know, Zuckerberg isn't repairing any of it like Elon is, he's not letting people back on, he's not letting people have their old accounts back.You know, he's just, yeah, Facebook and Instagram were a joke as far as that's concerned.And you're not ever gonna be able to speak against the narrative on them.
Completely. Let's let's finish off with something that the UK are getting tomorrow, actually Florida already got, but this is that the government are going to send an alarm to you, an alert, a high-pitched alarm at 3 p.m. I believe on Sunday and this is a test so they can warn you if, well I was talking about about this with my older son.And he would say, well, you know, if maybe there's something happening, what?What, in London, is it gonna be an earthquake? Maybe we're on a volcano?Or might there be an alien attack? So what, well, but yeah, the government are gonna alert us all at 3 p.m.Tell us about this and what your advice is to the viewers.Well, I've turned mine off. Look, so I used to live in Los Angeles and there were wildfires, okay?So you might want an alert for a wildfire. The problem is that by the time you hear about the wildfire, they've already knocked out the electricity pylons. It's knocked out your phone anyway.So you're never going to get the alert. You're struggling. You've got no Wi-Fi.The electricity's gone if you live in a remote area.And the lines are down. So to rely on it would be ridiculous anyway.And probably the same if there was a big volcano or something, unless you had a lot of time to prepare, in which case, you know, it would be all over the news or social media or something like that.But what's scary as well is there's people that might have, you know, apparently they say that abused women or abused children might have a secret phone to get help.And obviously these phones are going to be bleeping everywhere at 3pm. So, you know, it's going to be quite distracting. I don't know if my mum even knows, I couldn't be bothered to tell her, she wouldn't switch it off anyway, but she'll have a like heart attack if it starts bleeping while she's driving along in the car. So it's, and I think personally, they want to see what phones are on, what phones are off, what, who's compliant with the government, who's not. And anyway, I'm turning mine off. I don't need it. I've seen a lot of the headlines. I saw a news headline just weeks saying the UK is going to bake in 20 degree weather. I literally saw that. 20 degree weather to people in America or something is 68 degrees. And it's like maybe one degree warmer than I have my heating on at the winter. So it's like, it's a joke. I don't want alerts like that.I don't want those headlines. I don't want an alert saying it's a little bit windy outside because, you know, it's England. I've survived, you know, 46 years.
This is the conversation I was having. Well, I've survived for 46 years.I've never felt the need for the Prime Minister to send me a message at any time. And I think I probably can cope for the next however many years without the Prime Minister alerting me. So, yeah.Yeah, I mean, if Russia's going to send a nuke over because he's sick of the way we've handled everything, where are you going to hide from that anyway?
Three minutes to an impending nuclear attack. Enjoy your last three minutes.
Yeah, exactly. And that's about as much as it's going to say, I'd rather not know, to be quite honest, I'd rather be completely oblivious. But you know, that's not going to happen anyway.So that was another headline that The Telegraph trying to scare people with.
They were. And obviously people can, you put up the screenshot there, people can find that on your Twitter, going through if you've Android or iPhone and how to turn it off, go into notifications and turn that off. I think, did you see the headline I saw in Florida, I think yesterday, they also have a similar system and it went off by mistake at 4.30, 4.35am. So everyone in the whole of Florida got woken up by their phone blasting at them and oh it was a little mistake.
That's what I mean, it's like they're incompetent aren't they, absolutely incompetent.I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't want them on my phone, not the way they were, they're scared, like everybody get in, you're not allowed to, you've got a mask up today, put your mask, full face on you, mouth and nose, you know, who knows what alerts they'll try and send us.Leilani, thank you so much for joining us today. Let me just bring this, obviously this is Mark Steyn's website, steynonline.com and there you are on the Mark Stein Show. What's the time again on Wednesdays?
8pm on Wednesdays.
 
8pm UK time?
 
Yes, yeah UK time. And I'm glad you got the website right because there was me saying it as well. I'm like, oh gosh, I work for him and I haven't even got it right. Yeah, steynonline.com.I get confused because his Twitter's Mark Steyn online.
 
I still could never spell his surname, but no one can ever spell my surname. So that's fine.No issues with that. Thank you so much for coming on and thank you to our viewers for tuning in or if you're listening later on a Podbean or any podcasting apps, you listen on the go.I hope you enjoy the conversation on audio. So I wish our viewers and listeners a wonderful rest of your Saturday.I hope you spare yourself that 3pm siren.But if not, I hope it, I don't know, alerts you to something that may be happening in your area at three o'clock.For me, it won't be an earthquake volcano. It could be an alien attack.It could be a nuclear missile.So we may not be with you on Monday, who knows. But if you're joining us on Monday, we will have, who do we have, James Harvey from Students Against Fascism.He'll be joining us on Monday, talking about what it is to be a conservative student these days, that would be many decades ago for me, and what it is like to have strong non-woke opinions, so tune in on Monday for James. And on that, good night to you all, and we'll see you on Monday.

Dave Walsh - The Change in Energy Geopolitics and the Looming Green Energy Crisis

Energy is not something we have covered before and so it is an honour to have Dave Walsh join us to unpack this huge topic. Dave is known as the 'Energy Guru', with a lifetime in the industry and his status as Steve Bannon's go to man on 'War Room: Pandemic' for energy makes him so well positioned to explain how this will negatively impact our lives. We have seen a three fold increase in the cost of energy which has had a knock on effect on food items, manufacturing and household bills. Dave gives us a better understanding to what lies behind these increases and why we are seeing a geopolitical change in energy control from West to East. We also unpack the dangerous rise of the green push to renewables which simply does not work and will lead to a dystopian collapse in our societies as energy becomes the preserves of the rich and powerful.Dave Walsh was appointed President and Chief Executive Officer of Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems Americas, Inc. (MHPSA) in April 2014, with responsibility for the Western Hemisphere electric power generation business of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Hitachi Ltd. of Japan. Mr. Walsh was the first non-Japanese corporate officer of MHPSA’s parent company, Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems, Ltd., in Japan. He was also the first American Board member of the America’s company, MHPSA. Mr. Walsh retired from Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems in 2016, now serving as an advisor to various clients in the energy industry.Prior to his appointment as President & CEO at MHPSA, Dave had been Executive Vice President of Sales & Marketing, Projects and Services. He joined the company in 2001, and initially established the service and manufacturing business for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in the Western Hemisphere.Previously, Dave had been a senior executive at Westinghouse Electric Corporation in both power generation and industrial service roles as General Manager and Chairman of the Westinghouse global industrial and power generation service subsidiaries, with primary operations located in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Poland, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore, Thailand and Australia. He later became the senior executive and Vice Chairman responsible for the Westinghouse Electric power joint ventures in China, in partnership with the Shanghai Municipal Government and with the Chinese Ministry of Electric Power.Dave received his BS Commerce degree from The University of Virginia, and did Graduate Study in Finance at The University of Pittsburgh and at Northwestern University.He was an Enterprise Florida Board Member, and has previously been a Board Member of the Seminole County Foundation for Public Education, and served on the Seminole State College of Florida Foundation Board. Dave has also been appointed Honorary Consul Japan, Orlando, by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In 2016, Governor Scott appointed Mr. Walsh to the University of Central Florida Board of Trustees with a term ending January 2021.Dave and his wife Terri reside in the Central Florida area.Follow Dave on social media.... GETTR https://gettr.com/user/davewalshenergyTRUTH https://truthsocial.com/@davewalshenergy Interview recorded 17.4.23
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Transcript
(Peter)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Dave Walsh, who, of course, you will know from The War Room, anyone who is Steve Bannon's go-to man on an issue is well worth having. And we delve into energy. He's an energy consultant, former president of Mitsubishi Power Systems, along with many other accolades, and he has lived and breathed energy all his life. And we delve into this, a topic that we haven't actually touched on before, I was quite surprised, but we start by looking at actually the cost of energy. It's now 30% of GDP up from 4% traditionally, originally over the last 100 years. So massive changes in the cost of energy, why that is happening. Look at some of the anomalies in the States of energy costs, and then we go into looking at renewable energy, green energy, net zero, and the push towards having electric vehicles and the impact that will have on the US. I think the call was to raise it from 5% to 67% in 10 years. Is the world able to charge all these new electric vehicles? So Dave goes into that and talks about the impact on infrastructure, on costs, and whether the world.Can cope with that. We also discussed the change in the geopolitical change, I guess, from the West, from the US, from Europe, over to China, India, Turkey, Japan, and they're the ones now buying Russian oil and gas. The West have embargoed and we so freeze Europe just so other countries can buy oil and gas at a lower price. So we talk about that change in, I guess, power and whether that leaves the US and Europe actually toothless in regards to energy productivity and energy policies. So Dave Walsh is the person who can go into this and unpack this and I'm sure you'll enjoy his analysis of all of these areas in terms of energy.
Dave Walsh, thank you so much for joining us today on Hearts of Oak.
 
(Dave Walsh)Good to be with you, Peter.
Good, it was good to bump into you at CPAC. Obviously, the viewers will know you from your many times on War Room as someone who unpacks energy issues and something that we've never gone into before so I'm looking forward to having your wisdom with us unpacking that.Obviously, people can find you @DaveWalshEnergy is your handle.That's on GETTR. Anywhere else you're on?Dave Walsh Energy. Truth Social on the same handle. Same handle on Truth Social.Dave Walsh Energy on Truth Social as well.
Okay, so people can find you on GETTR or on Truth. And obviously, Dave, you're an energy consultant and former president of Mitsubishi Power Systems, along with many other accolades to your name.But if we can jump in and look at, as I said, energy is not something we've touched on before, but I've always enjoyed your many pieces on War Room.And I think I remember reading a headline middle of last year that said global energy spending set to hit 13 trillion in 2022.I think that was 13% of global GDP. I remember reading another thing talking about traditionally energy has been like over the last 100 years, maybe 4% of GDP, which seems to be it's increased in cost and I guess how important it is. But do you want to just let us know why should those figures are probably out of the ballpark for most people. Do you just want to set the scene on why I guess we should be interested and see energy as an important aspect.Well, over a hundred year period, the concentrated use of energy, fossil fuels, nuclear power in the main has been endemic to just monstrous reduction in human labour necessary to get through life.I've got maybe four or five data points in that. You go back already by 1870, the coal burn in Britain replaced caloric intake of nearly nearly 850 million laborers.And also already by then, the use of coal for steam powered engines displaced 6 million horses.So it was up to 1870.But if you look at the global population from the birth of 1750 to 2009.Global population grew by a factor of eight from 1000 AD to 1750, 750 years, by a factor of only three.And that largely related to the lack of fossil fuels, nuclear power, and modern means of doing work, human activity.And in the US, for example, in 1860, half of the population was involved in agricultural endeavours.Today, it's only 3%.Western Europe is the same. Actually, Holland leads the world, and well, led the world until we're in this present crisis.Farming productivity per person, Holland leads the way until we're gonna take farms away from families that were hard at there, unfortunately.But if you go back like here in 1875, 74% of disposable income was spent on food, shelter and clothing, now it's like 13%.So the, and if you want less energy concentration value in 1900, per capita income globally was about $1,500. By 2010, about $8,000 had expanded by 5.3 times.Across the whole time from the birth of Christ to 1900, per capita income grew around the world by a factor of three times.And that was an entire period with basically wood burning and the beginning of the use of coal for energy.So the use of fossil fuels, which has emerged really largely since about 1860, has really, really escalated the global population, global wealth, and global food production extensively. And in another area, if you look at places like Ethiopia, the concentration of labour per acre is still like 30 times more than Holland, the UK, or here, because of the lack of fossil fuels in farming machinery and the lack of advanced fertilizers, ammonia-based and nitrogen fertilizers that come from natural gas. So no, energy utilization has propelled mankind massively, in the last 100 years. Now, there are some unusual things happening with cost in the last 10 or 15 years that we should discuss that really aren't good for productivity, human productivity.And do you want to, because we've seen, I mean, we'll touch on that. And what are my thoughts looking at the US is, having been the US quite a bit in the last year and being on the East Coast and West Coast, and you look at the poor people on the West Coast, California paying probably double what the East Coast are paying over in Florida or Texas. That's an anomaly and that probably feeds into that kind of conversation about maybe some of the issues which are increasing the cost of energy, I guess, more or less exponentially.
Well, yeah, the US a little bit curious. Energy policy here is really a mixed thing. It's more dominated by the states and state policies, state governments, state policies. It's physically a huge place. These states tend to be, most of them, very large physically. So the concentration of electricity generation tends to be a state by state thing, given the size, but given the way the government works, the state public service commission, usually appointed by the governor, maybe approved by the state Senate, mainly directs the energy policy and costs in various states. So, you've pointed out California in extreme, they're typically the fourth or fifth highest, energy cost state in the country when it comes to electricity. Florida's actually about in the middle. But just give you an idea of the disparity that the top 10 cost states in the US have electricity costs of about $0.27 per kilowatt hour. The top 10 cost states, the lowest 10 cost states about 10.5 cents a kilowatt hour. So the top 10 states are 2.6 times more costly, on electricity. And if you look, the two major characteristics of the best 10 or lowest cost are the fact that they tend to be 27% net exporters of electricity to other states.The states with the highest cost tend to be 16% net importers of electricity because over the years, again, places like California, now increasingly New York, Hawaii, and the high cost states have really become high cost because of abandonment of initially nuclear power, and then coal power, and now even in California, increasingly combined cycle natural gas power, which environmentally is very clean and very efficient.They've begun to abandon that as well. So they get, what they wind up doing is there really is no near-term displacement for those sources.So they wind up becoming, Steve Bannon would say, beggars of their neighbours or importers of electricity from neighbouring states.And the state public service commission in a given state doesn't control the cost of what happens in other states.So they become victimized by whatever, specifically California, whatever Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, utilities decide to charge them per year is what they pay.Because that state, for example, a hideous example, 37% of their electricity is imported.As over time, they've stopped building nuclear plants, they've closed down coal plants, now they've stopped building advanced combined cycle plants. California imports 37% of its electricity.So really the state government has virtually no control over the cost of that, nor what it consists of.So that becomes a huge factor in why the costs are so high.New York is headed the same way. They just announced a decree there that within 10 years they're going to be 70% renewable.That's going to cause, by my calculations, they're now about 23% renewable because in the West there, Niagara Falls does produce a fair amount of their electricity.But all this delta from 23% to 70 is going to be wind and solar.That's going to mean a 27% electricity shortage in New York.Because wind and solar only operate respectively, wind about 38% of the time onshore, offshore about 42% of the time that it runs. Solar up there is about a four-hour-a-day thing.It's getting pretty far north, not quite as far north as you are, but up where New York is, solar is about a four-hour-a-day effective resource, 20 hours a day. You have no value from Therefore, if New York makes that shift in 10 years, it's going to have a 27% shortage of electricity.They're already an importer of 13% of their electricity already because of these types of policies.Costs there are already the third highest, fourth highest in the country.They're going to escalate radically with these kinds of policies.So it's very unique. It is kind of unique to each state and the politics of each state and whether they're, run by a more conservative government or run by blue democratic governments.And if I look at the 10 highest cost states, eight of them are consistently run by democratic governments.So-
 
We obviously have the same issue in Europe, where fuel is taxed horrendously high.And at the fuel pump in the UK, it's probably around 75% tax, probably, with VAT and then fuel duty.And I guess that Democrat-controlled states are probably going the same way as Europe.Well, yeah, I mean the Democrat-controlled ones, the first bizarre set of decisions, many of them made, like California, more lately New York, the states of New England, the abandonment of allowing fossil fuel plants in those states to be there at all.California went down this road in the late 80s. Nuclear before that, they abandoned.Now gas-fired plants. New England, New York has been the same. Fracking in this country is basically illegal, New York and North.So while there are tremendous natural gas resources up there, they've elected not to harvest them.And you wind up with massive importation of electricity from Canada, a lot of hydro, and now growingly from Pennsylvania and Ohio that do have heavy, heavy natural gas resources.Well, those states in New England, New York, for example, have elected to not have power plants any longer, excepting for solar and wind, which are very, very low, very low density energy resources.Again, I'll go to the reciprocal.Solar in those markets is not there for you 86% of the time.It doesn't produce electricity. Wind if offshore, 58% of the time, doesn't produce electricity.And also, by the way, the costs of installing that stuff, far from free, are massively expensive.Offshore wind, for example, New York's on a big binge for offshore wind, is 11 times more costly than the capex of building a combined cycle plant.11 times more costly. The cost of the transmission from 20 miles out in the sea to inland, plus the towers, plus the huge wind turbines that are on them now, you're talking 11x the capital cost.Stuff is far from free, it's actually far more expensive.And the life cycle cost of offshore wind is about three and a half times more costly than, the whole life cycle cost with fuel of advanced combined cycle natural gas power plants.So there's a myth that this stuff is free because it's nature based as far from it is far more expensive when you factor in the long time periods that it's not usable it doesn't produce anything.Let me, I want to get in more on the renewable side but for the us as an entity I think you put a recent post saying that all natural gas related products are fifteen percent of all us exports and then of course you have what the country uses itself. So energy is a massive industry, the US is sitting on so much reserves and yet the US energy plan seems to be a mess. I mean, tell us about that because the US should be the, I guess, one of the big producers and suppliers and yet, well of course, I guess with the Democrats, they're trying to punish themselves and stop that.But yeah, explain some of that.
Well, the mess is to the extent the federal government controls energy supply, they do it here.The Democrats have attempted to do it through the Environmental Protection Agency, has been their main weapon to weaponize against fossil fuels and before now against nuclear power.But now aided and abetted by the Securities and Exchange Commission on all this ESG mantra of, investing in renewables is a great thing, investing in carbon fuel sources should be penalized, and by incentive policies that have only the last 15 years incented investments in renewables and not incented any investment or new investment in nuclear power or in fossil fuels.So you've had this tremendous skewing of investment to the extent the federal government can be influential.That's how they've done it, through the EPA, with punitive measures to make emissions of anything fossil fuel enormously punitive, driving the cost way, way up of operating a coal plant or a gas turbine-fired plant.And then the incentive structure they put in place on taxes to make renewables, you, And I give them a huge advantage financially with massive incentives.So that's driven policies. And this administration, all of its executive cabinet-level leadership, from the SEC to the Securities Exchange Commission, the Fed, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, all on the same, the Department of Energy head, Jen Granholm, we're going to eliminate the use of fossil fuels in this country, every single one of them. It's in their mantra consistently given, consistently articulated.So this great energy resource here is, and this, unfortunately, I've got a story about the UK as our model.We're going to follow the same. If you listen to these guys, we're going to follow the same model.We're going to abolish the use and production of fossil fuels.It's a complete disaster.The US has a huge balance of trade negative. We're a net importer of about a trillion of goods and services.China leads the way as the exporter here in the balance trade deficit we have.But it's been helped heavily the last 15 years with the emerged massive growth of natural gas and oil exports from the US. We're now like $315 billion.We're a net exporter of oil and gas at 15% of our exports.To the extent we export about $2 trillion a year of goods and services, 15% of it plus is now gas and oil.So that's a huge, huge thing with respect to the currency being stable and the budget being, it's not being balanced here, but any effort to balance the federal taxation budget.It's largely dependent on the tax receipts coming from oil and gas, and these folks on the left running the government want to abandon that as rapidly as possible.And there's no replacement for it, not even on the near term nor intermediate term.You know, displacing fossil fuels with the nature-based part-time renewables is just, mathematically doesn't work.And solar, even here in Florida, solar does not work 82% of the time.If you take a given 8,700 hour power generation year, the sunshine is effective here.I mean, right now it's noon, it's nearly dark here.From this time of the year through September, very common thing by about 11 o'clock through four, you've got thunderstorms, you've got dark clouds, you've got no solar resource, not to mention the night.Night, really it's effective between about nine and four on a good day.So even here, it's about an 18% of the time thing. In much of the Northeast and up in the Midwest, it's a four-hour a day thing.So it can't be the solution. When you're talking about that kind of energy deficit, wind, even offshore where it's most productive is not there for you to produce electricity 58% of the time.So I know in the North Sea and UK, talking about the massive offshore wind, well, I'm going to say in the vernacular here, good luck the other 58% of the time, especially when you factor in the cost of installing that against the minimal energy supply.You're talking about driving the cost of energy up to human beings by factors of five and six times.I mean, it sounds great, but it's not free. It's far from it, far more costly.
Well, I'll touch on that. Well, actually, when even driving through parts of the English countryside, you see whole fields covered with solar panels now.The UK isn't really the brightest or sunniest or warmest country.And that seems madness, because again, that takes away agricultural land, which is more and more for premium and bigger demand as a population grows. But that's,it's not something which we discuss back and forth, but it's another part of it, you mentioned in Holland, that I guess clash between energy and agriculture, between feeding people and actually turning on the lights. And it's a curious clash that we're having, not only with fields being covered over, but also with farmers being told they need to farm less and feed people less because it's bad for the environment.Well, I'll go back to the UK just quickly. My wife and I were there a couple times the last year or so, and we're up by the Stonehenge. Within eight miles of there, eight kilometres, there's a solar farm. It's, the day we were there, it's the winds howling 30 miles per hour, and it's probably, maybe it was 10 C, but there was no sunshine. And I have to know, having been there many, many times, that this must be a three and a half hour day. And I think that is the typical Germany, UK, the same. Solar is about a three and a half hour a day thing, on average, across the year. It's just, I mean, it's utterly, horrendously misspent money.Now, the Holland thing, this is again, the untold story of fossil fuels. Ammonia fertilizers, nitrogen-based fertilizers in the world have promoted farming productivity across most products, wheat, corn, soybeans, potatoes, by a factor of three to four times per acre over the last 50 to 60 years in the world.And a couple of things have really pushed that productivity forward, and they are nitrogen and ammonia-based fertilizers, which are now deemed to be sinful because their origin is natural gas.So that's being used by the left to consciously diminish food supply and make it far more a challenge.I mean, the other factor has been mechanized farming machinery, which is all diesel and gas powered, has been the second thing, but behind ammonia and nitrogen-based fertilizers.I mean, just to give an example, the farming productivity, again, I think I might have mentioned, this country, Holland, UK, very high on wheat production per acre, is 30 times more productive in human terms than Ethiopia.For example, Ethiopia still has 74% of its population involved in farming.In the UK, in the US, it's about 3%. To give you an idea of the benefit of fossil fuels delivered in fertilizers and in theproduction equipment, heavy machinery, tractors, et cetera, harvesters to make farming cost-effective for allow massive food supply for billions of people.And now we're resisting this through wanting to diminish and end ammonia and nitrogen-based fertilizers.It's, and the use of gas-powered and diesel-powered farming machinery.This is insanity.When you're talking about sustaining 7.2 billion people, This is just not, it is not a sustainable thing, to borrow one of their phrases.It's the opposite, the polar opposite of that.And of course when we talk about those solar panels, actually we're talking about wind farms, the UK building all those wind farms and none of it actually built in the UK, so there's no manufacturing benefit, but then the solar panels, that seems to all be Chinese built and it seems as though the world, I guess on the left, the Democrats over there, many parts of Europe are rushing to award their control of their energy system over to China. And that's not a conversation I don't think the public has really had. I guess the same for the states.Well, our, I'll say collectively, our Western G7 leadership just convened over the weekend in Sapporo, yours and ours, abandoning our shores to have meetings about our sovereign countries in Japan about CO2.And what they've concluded, they collectively have signed up with each other, again, outside of the realm of where our voters are over in Japan.They've reached one of these agreements to develop collectively across the G7 a million thousand gigawatts of additional solar by 2030.This would be $670 billion investment by the G7 nations in added solar resources, of which, based on the current fact that 85% of thin film PV panels come from China, would be about a $580 billion spend in China between now and 2030 by our new G7 government, putting it that way. Having their meetings in, not here at home, nor in the UK, but in other places where these guys fly to convene and make these brilliant decisions.And then another half a million or 500 gigawatts of offshore wind, which is, again, offshore wind is 11 times more costly in capex than building a conventional combined cycle plant of the type my company built in my day at Damhead, Salt End, in I think Raglan Road in Dublin.In Spain, we built seven or eight combined cycle plants. The cost of those is one-eleventh of an offshore wind farm when you factor the 58% of the time that that offshore wind farm isn't going to produce anything for you.And then compounded with the construction cost, which is huge.That even then, the all-in life cycle cost, that the present cost of natural gas, which has now fallen quite a bit, is still four times more than a combined cycle plan, even accounting for the gas use.So we're talking about stuff that is way, way not cheaper, but is far more expensive and creates a lack of access of our citizenry in the UK and here to energy, which is way in the interest of the Chinese.Most of the supply of utility scale batteries, and as I mentioned, the solar panels, comes from there.So we're taking a dependence. We had a marvellous self-dependence in the UK on North Sea oil, which has declined by 70%, not because it's not there, but because of political pressure to go and get it.You know Norway has not participated in ceding to that pressure, doing great financially, a heavy importer to the UK.The oil's still out there, but on our side of that pond, we've decided let's not pursue it.70% down. The US, since the election of Biden has now been about a million two barrels a day deficit of oil production, because of all the restrictions on federal land. So we've shifted over to this ideation of displacing that with dependence on China, solar panels and batteries. I mean, this is lunacy. I meanenergy strategy is at the core of national defence, whether it's Western Europe or here, at the core of a sustainable lifestyle for our people.And we're handing self-sufficiency that we enjoyed over to, programmatically over to China, who are an enemy.They're aligned with Russia on this Ukraine activity that they've been from day one.There's no secret about that, but our media very reluctant to actually acknowledge that, but they are.And then this, the boycott that we've got in Western Europe on buying their oil within six weeks was almost entirely displaced with procurement from Turkey, India, and China, from Russia.So that hasn't worked out well for us. We've actually forced China and Russia together, which strategically is just a horrendous set of decisions pushed by more by this government than the Western European government, but collectively.We've created an energy disaster in the outcomes of this in a very short time.
Well, that's really interesting watching that and the shift with the West, actually Europe wanting to freeze after building a Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 into Russia and then wanting to turn that off and wondering why people are angry that the cost of electricity has soared.And yet, as you said, the other side is China, India, especially and then into Turkey and elsewhere.And Japan, I think as well, actually they're happy to buy Russian oil and gas, and they've filled that gap.So it's strange because that's a power shift, I guess, away from Europe and the US.And it really leaves them toothless in terms of energy control.No, it does. The West's conscious decision to abdicate self-sufficiency and self-reliance, I would complain about the UK.We're on exactly the same page here now by the constant outcries of this government to abandon fossil fuels as rapidly as possible, going down the same path, creates a massive dependence now on China.Years before was the Middle East, before North Sea oil was discovered in abundance and harvested, before the fracking boom here, we were unfortunately heavily dependent on OPEC, which was a disaster.And now we're making them relevant once again in their alliance, first with Russia, when the kingdom sought out Russia right about the moment of the Biden inauguration,January of 21, we had the alliance begin building of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with Russia, on collective decisions on production to drive prices up, very successfully done all through 2021 and early 2022 before the invasion that we've suffered from.Now we've forced China together with Russia based on the boycott and our handling of that situation and to our horrendous detriment, energy costs here are going through the roof, as we attempt to displace, do something that's not, it's mathematically not doable.You can't displace fossil fuel use with four hour a day solar.And if on land, nine hour a day, if on sea, 10 hour a day wind.You mathematically can't do it because also those resources are regionalized in the large area. it's the same time of day that you have them.I mean, like, for example, Florida, you could put, you know, everyone thinks it's so sunny here, you could populate every square inch of Florida with solar panels, and you'd still be at 19.6 hours a day, have nothing, because it's the same moments. It's only the same, night is the same.It's not very big, east to west, night is the same time. So up till nine in the morning, you've got nothing. And after 4.30 in the afternoon, you've got nothing, which is the California issue because their peak in addition to this 38 percent uh importation of energy electricity a lot of what they use is solar even from Arizona, New Mexico, Southern Cal, I think about 35 percent of their power supply imported and made in state is renewable, and it kind of comes to an end at 4.30. Their peak power need begins at 4.30 when everyone gets home, gets off the freeways in LA, San Diego, and turn up the air conditioning, begin to use the appliances, cook, whatever, until 10 at night.That's the peak demand. Well, that's when the solar ends. That's like 30% of their electricity, at least what they have, which they're in shortage of to begin with.So you've got an intractable mathematical issue. And now we're talking about mandating EVs out there by 2035, well, now across the country, which would elevate here national electricity supply by 25%.If you got to 75% EV adoption by 2035, which this government claimed to be the new target just last week, would be about 250,000 megawatt power plantswould need to be built to be running all the time from right now, start building them now, because you'll have them in four to five years.There's no plan to do that. The energy supply scenario of squashing base load, continuous duty fossil power is not connected to this, let's electrify everything.The two things aren't even connected together by this government.It's going to need a huge amount more electricity should these things happen.
That push, because you reposted a story in New York Times and talked about an increase of, I think the current 5% of vehicles sold being electric up to within 10 years, 67%.The figure was mind-blowing. That's not just a case of whenever everyone plugs their car in that the energy goes up.That's a case of there is no energy.
That's right, because all of the electricity production measures, these states that are blue, and this government have taken through its rhetoric for two years now, are all about adopting more and more, excuse my plain speaking, of stuff that doesn't work most of the time, solar and wind. So net, net, you've got no increase of energy resources. And I'm looking at one of the dominant business forecast that I would, in the power generation business, would use here between now and ... Thisis like the commonly accepted forecast.Between now and 2030, we'll have 341 more gigawatts of wind installed and 383 more gigawatts of solar installed in this country by 2030.And also take away another 828 gigawatts of coal, basically make it go away.That's the consensus business forecast, which is a collection of what utilities are telling OEMs that make power generation equipment, T&D equipment.This is the forecast.Well, if this be the case, when you take the deficiency, the time that wind and solar don't work, the net net increase in generation assets, it's about 1% across that time.When you factor down, you take out the fact that coal operates 24 hours a day, and you're displacing it with massive quantities of a five-hour-a-day thing and a nine-hour-a-day thing, the reciprocal, you've got nothing.When you take all that into account, the energy electricity plan for the US is to grow electricity production by about 1% across the next 10 years.And we're going to electrify everything in the meantime.The mathematics don't even work on this. So a frightening thing happened late last week in California, often a sign of what's to come here, the rest of the country.For some reason, the three major utilities who were regulated by the state approached the state, and I'm believing they were gigged by the state to do this, with a new billing practice of using a percentage of income, to pay for electricity instead of a per-use basis.I mean, right now, in most of the, all of the developed world, in the West for sure, your electricity bill is a use-based thing.You use X kilowatts, you pay a certain rate, that's what you pay based on use, which promotes efficient use of it and penalizes those who use the most.It's not a penalty, it's use the most, you pay for the most.California now wants to embrace converting this to an income percentage tax.That if you make X, you pay X dollars a month. If you make Y, you pay Y plus 10%.A scale based on income only, delinking utilization of electricity from the cost of it.They're putting this before the public service commission to get this approved, creating displacing use fees for electricity, which are completely common and make logical common sense with an income tax kind of percentage of income.So independent of what you use, you pay a percentage of your income for electricity.Now, what this will do for them is we'll de-link the massive fact of their shortages, and the massive fact of their very, very high cost electricity, it'll hide that.Because now you can make these comparisons of one state to another, that'll go away.Because now that they'll have, if this gets passed, they'll have an income tax, that the utilities are able to charge, which that's a whole nother, how do they get to look at your income?That's not legal here, but according to what California wants to do, that's what the utilities will begin to charge you a fixed fee based on your income, independent of it.So then you'll have demand go through the roof because efficiency won't matter anymore, but it'll hide the real cost of the electricity. and the fact that once it becomes, incrementally, it becomes free in that sense.The complaining about the lack of it would tend to diminish.You get to then the Russian food model of years ago with the bread lines.Hey, that which is free from the government, don't complain about it when it's not there.That's where they're headed.Acknowledging they have no plan whatsoever to displace the huge shortage of electricity that that state has.They're talking about a way of obfuscating cost to make it seem like incremental use of it is free, Therefore, when the big brownouts and blackouts really kick in, which are going to increase and increase, well, since you're not paying anything for this anyhow, no complaints necessary.This is frightening. This was announced late last week, Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern Cal Edison, looking at an income percentage fee collection instead of a per use for electricity consumption.
How does this, how does it play out as people go and spend their crazy amount of money on EVs, electric vehicles, and then with not being able to power them?Is that just a movement towards, I mean, we've seen a movement towards red states simply because of the higher crime rates, higher tax rates, higher cost of living in the Democrat areas.Will that just continue? Is that just a bigger divide in the US?I mean, how does it play out?
 
It plays out as a massively increased divide between the haves and the have-nots.Because the typical EV over here is still $65,000 to $70,000 to buy one.The typical medium to lower end gas powered vehicles are about $25,000 to $28,000.The business model is in the EV, about 40% of the cost structure of that thing is the battery.Essentially, you're prepaying in that high price, 65 to 70 grand, you're prepaying the, 30 grand or so for the fuel equivalent being the battery, you're prepaying for about 150,000 miles of the fuel, if you will, in the model.Then at 150,000 plus miles, you're also exposed to the liability to replace that again for another prepaid 30, $35,000 for a new battery that can go another 150,000 miles.Paid up front, we're presently liquid fuel, you're paying on a pre-use basis, and it's domestic.So now you're prepaying for Tesla's cars. The cost structure is 40% China.That's where his batteries come from. His lithium ion comes from there.So you're transferring an obligation that was in the days gone by, the Middle East became domestic, a great thing.We want to get off domestic oil and gas production, now let's transfer that to a lithium-ion battery supply from China. But the chasm that this develops between the average citizen making $65,000, $68,000, $70,000, the chasm between that person even being able to afford a vehicle and those who can actually afford them, which is maybe then your 15% of the population can actually afford a vehicle, it grows massively. It just grows massively. It's exactly as you pointed out, it grows the chasm between the haves and the have-nots, as do all of these renewable energy sources when electricity bills go through the roof because of them.
And of course, one of the other factors in it, which isn't discussed whenever the Green Lobby are pushing for this. They're not mentioning the finite resources that go into the batteries.No one mentions cobalt mining in Africa where children are used as slave labour. But that's not a part of the conversation. And that really confused me where a group claim to be environmentally conscious and also concerned of the impact of the individuals in the work market.And yet they're happy to have children going down mines for them for their latest battery car.
It takes us right back to, okay, we are what we criticize others of being colonialists.This was the critique of the UK, the Dutch, our own behaviour here with forced labour.Well, guess what? Total dependence on the developing world for any resources extraction of any kind, be it oil, lithium, cobalt, is another form of colonialism. Or there's another one, yellow cake for uranium supply. This country was 100% self-sufficient on uranium supply as recent as 1992. And now we're 52% dependent on Russia, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan for uranium, which has continued unabated throughout this entire war.We haven't changed that policy one iota, where we are in Wyoming and Utah still full of uranium, easily mineable, but no, we hate resource extraction.We don't want to be around that any longer.We'll throw certain indigenous Native Americans in front of that, who actually like the fact of it happening, but you pay certain groups, they'll step out in front and prevent that, plus various treaties that the Clinton administration made with Russia to arguably stop their conversion of uranium to nuclear weapons.We could do that by buying it from them.Unenforceable, unverifiable. So to this moment, we still do that. But this hatred of resource extraction is thrown out there as a rationale to outsource the Biden administration on oil, as opposed to ramping up domestic production. When this OPEC Plus was formed, began crushing cost here, where did they go? First stop was Iran. The second stop was Iraq. And the third stop was Venezuela, Arabia was in between. We go to OPEC to get oil instead of producing our own. When we, hit a Trump administration peak in November of 2019, 13.6 million barrels a day. We're the top producer in the world. And we abdicated that position within months of this administration taking place. And then all of its rhetoric, communicating to OPEC, oh, we're really on board with your production reductions. We're going to have our own here of a million two barrels, reduction. Basically, going along with their, the way they manage prices is not through raising the price. It's through toggling up and down the production level. We joined that. We basically joined that. We cut our production under the blanket of CO2 reasons rationale by 1.2 million barrels a day. And then who do we go to looking for the excess? We go to them. This is,It's a set of insane policies geared at making the country, as Western Europe has become, totally dependent on others for energy.
 
Well, let me just finish on a piece that just came out in the UK, I think it was The Telegraph, for UK connection with what's happening in the States and it was the UK Chancellor Jeremy Hunt who oversees the Treasury here in the UK has just said that Joe Biden's flagship green energy policy risks plunging the world into the economic dark age. Now that was quite phenomenal because normally Western governments have been falling over themselves to say how wonderful they think Biden is and it was actually the first criticism I've seen of Biden. And this was, I guess, to do with subsidies. That's the concern, I guess, from Europe. But that just intrigued me, that, I guess, change in tone, change in rhetoric from Europe towards America, that Biden is no longer the great one. Actually, there's criticism.And I guess that's on subsidies. But I don't know if that's the beginning of maybe a wedge between how Europe look at energy and how the States does.
Well, I mean the trouble I mean what he said is really, the net result is plunging the West into economic decline.Because I'm gonna suggest about a hundred and sixty countries aren't on board with this.And I'll mention a few that would surprise you Japan, Japan after Fukushima between 2015 and 2019 commissioned 13 count them 13, large coal plants, 10,000 megawatt supercriticals and 300, 400 megawatt coal plants.Why? They need to industrially compete with China.It's in their interest to do that. They did the right thing for the Japanese people.Here we're celebrating this meeting the G7 had in Sapporo.Well, the Japanese talk about, you know, renewables and all this decarbonization.Look at what they're doing.Doing what's necessary to promote their economy. And then their commitment to the renew the Sakhalin Island LNG deal at only 13 bucks a dekatherm that Russians committed prior pricing in this day and time, they had to continue that.That's about 9% of their gas supply. Half of that comes from here, half quantity, double the amount from Russia.They continue that. It's in their interest to do that.So, you're looking at this very weak alliance on this war thing.The entirety of Western Europe and Japan have not really been aligned with the US on that.India has doubled down on its, the Indian Oil Corporation has now doubled its consumption of Russian oil in the last three months.There is no unanimity of actions on this, either one, the CO2 front, which I'm going to suggest 160 countries are not on side with moving in this direction, led by the Chinese, who have double the CO2 emissions of all of the OECD countries combined.They don't believe in this, by their actions. Now, what they're selling, lithium ion cobalt batteries and PV cells, yeah, they're promoting a Macron visit so Xi Jinping takes, oh, yes, Macron, we're working together on sub-Sahara CO2 abatement.That's complete nonsense. That's nonsense to pander to the West.Oh, here, well, yeah, we're going to tell you we agree with you.Look at what they're doing.60% of their power generation is coal-based.He has no plans of changing that. He has a plan to keep his country competitive industrially and have a strong military.That's what his plan is.Such as we had in prior days in this part of the world, but we've abandoned.
Dave, I really appreciate you coming on. It's an honour to have anyone that Bannon goes to as his go-to person.And I've thoroughly enjoyed your many times of War Room over the last two years.So thank you so much for coming on and sharing your thoughts on energy.
Well, Peter, thanks for having me. And one of these days I'll come back and we can go further into it, but deeply appreciate, it.

Joe Allen - A Death March Toward Artificial General Intelligence

Joe Allen has become a mainstay on our War Room screens over the last few years, his understanding of how technology is negatively affecting our lives and his analysis of how we push back is second to none. The rise of AI, nano technology, genetic experimentation, biometric payment systems, digital ID and digital currencies are all new technologies that are creeping into our everyday lives. Who controls them? What is their purpose? Do we have a choice to opt out? How are governments planning on using these to control their citizens? Joe answers all of these questions as he takes us into a new reality that is marching towards artificial general intelligence.Joe Allen is the is Transhumanism editor at War Room: Pandemic.He is a fellow primate who wonders why we ever came down from the trees! Joe studied religion and science at the University of Tennessee and Boston University and writes about ethnic identity, transhuman hubris, and the eternal spiritual quest. His work has appeared in The Federalist, ColdType, The American Thinker, The National Pulse, This View of Life, The American Spectator, IBCSR: Science on Religion, Disinformation, and elsewhere.Follow Joe at....Substack: https://joebot.substack.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/JOEBOTxyzTwitter: https://twitter.com/JOEBOTxyz?s=20War Room: http://warroom.org/Interview recorded 12.4.23
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Transcript
[0:22] Joe Allen, thank you so much for joining us on Hearts of Oak today.
Peter, very glad to be here. Thank you very much.
Not all. I know many of our viewers will have seen you regularly on War Room as a transhuman editor.What does it take to be a transhuman editor? How did that end up? You've being in the War Room. Tell us about that.
You know, well, transhumanist or transhuman, although I would say this, Peter, that I think transhuman editor might be most accurate now.Part of the gig obviously is a 24-7 screen time. So I think that my cyborg status is pretty much solidified at this point.You know, Steve reached out to me just a little over a year ago, just like two years ago, And I'd written an article about the transhumanist quest, to upload for the Federalist. And I'd been writing a series of articles about technology that dipped into transhumanism quite a bit.He got a hold of that article about transhumanists and their desire to upload their souls and liked it.And it was quite odd. I don't wanna get too long into the story, but a friend of mine who had tipped me off to the War Room some year or so prior to that.[1:49] He had tipped me off to the War Room.I watched it. I watched an interview with Steve on PBS.It was this long, uncut interview with Lester Holt. And I was like, man, I've got to get a hold of this guy, Steve Bannon.And, but the way it works, you don't just call up Steve Bannon.And no one I knew had his contact.So I just put it out of my mind.I roamed across the country during the pandemic, ended up in Montana.And that same friend about a year later tells me that Steve gave me a shout out on the war room. And I thought, what?And it wasn't two weeks or three weeks after that that I checked my Twitter DMs, which I never ever did at the time. It was a different handle.[2:34] And there was Cameron, the producer, asking if I would come on the show.And so, but it was already too late.Got back to him, went on the show. Steve asked me if I'd like to join the war room that day.And here I am.
It's always interesting who connects you, to me. It was just Miller giving credit to who connected me with Steve.What Steve does with the War Room is phenomenal and he is a machine in terms of production, in terms of knowledge, in terms of what he pushes out.Yeah, love watching you on that. I think you're on Charlie Kirk recently as well, a few days ago.
I mean, yeah, that's right.
 
Absolutely brilliant. But if we, you can, for the viewers, you can obviously find you at JoeBotXYZ on the GETTR and on Twitter. Obviously, he has his Substack account. All the links are in the description. And that's just JoeBot.Substack.com you can find there and sign up to his regular wisdom. But I probably, Joe, when I think of transhumanism. I think the most powerful men in the world, Sleepy Joe, Supreme Court judges, don't know who women are, Elon Musk. And I'm thinking maybe transhumanism would be an improvement.[3:57] You know, I wouldn't deny that. In many ways, I think that if the world was run by a Satanist cabal, at least they would have a plan. So yeah, it's interesting. Probably the most famous proponent of transhumanism, at least in elite circles, is Klaus Schwab. And I think people just, they really dismiss Schwab oftentimes because he tends to speak, and he and his co-author write in vacant corporate platitudes for the most part. But I do think that he's smart enough to know which way the wind's blowing. And the wind is definitely blowing in the direction of holding up technology as the highest power.And so really, I think his fourth industrial revolution in 2016 was in many ways a kind, of clarion call to the world that this is the way we are going.And some of it is him looking around the scene and evaluating it.Some of it is his own enthusiasm. He has this really strange, naïve enthusiasm for transhumanist technologies.[5:16] That represents a really, really important moment in Western history and perhaps world history because of the open declaration that technology will be the way forward, not political ideology, and in their view, certainly not religious ideology, but technology.[5:38] Well, let's maybe delve into the most relevant transhumanist technologies.You've got a number of things will be on people's radar, nanotechnology, you look at mRNA and that ability, your digital ID, I guess, world governments, institutions tracking us, monitoring us, you could chat, GBT has a lot of headlines recently.And when people talk about kind of most relevant transhumanist technology, how do you kind of start unpacking that?[6:12] It can get complicated, but to break it down as simply as possible, two categories have to be distinguished there, one being technocracy, ruled by expert, and in its more modern form, ruled by expert through science and technology.And then on the other end you have transhumanism itself, which is in some ways separate from that.They overlap a great deal, but it is ultimately two separate, these are two separate movements.That Patrick Wood put it best, I'll paraphrase him, as technocracy is to a society, transhumanism is to the individuals within that society.I think that really does encapsulate the overlap quite a bit.[7:05] So when you talk about something like digital identification or digital currencies, central bank digital currencies, these I would say fall more under the category of technocracy.It's more of a way of organizing a society. It's a social structure based on technological systems of control. And on the other side, you've got transhumanism. And this is much more of, I would say, a kind of spiritual quest on the part of the people who are involved.You could say that it is many decades old. You know, the term transhumanist coined by Julian Huxley, 1956, I've got an essay collection, New Bottles for New Wine, and the opening essay was a lecture in 1956 entitled Transhumanism.He isn't really talking about technology so much in this though.He's more talking about how science will transform human beings.[8:03] He's hinting at technology, but for the most part, he grounds it in science.And of course, technology by and large emerges from the scientific method and mathematical deduction.So it fits, but it really wasn't until the 80s or so that you started seeing a lot of people take on this term transhumanism as a description of using technology to transform the human being.FM 2030 I think was probably the first major figure, but then Max Moore, a philosopher, was probably the one who put the stamp on the term transhumanism in this realm.So relevant technologies.I think the most relevant, especially now, artificial intelligence, creating a digital brain. The belief being that artificial intelligence will have limitless memory.Artificial intelligence will be able to scrape over basically unlimited data, as much data as you can feed into it.[9:08] And of course, it's going to have better pattern recognition than human beings.It's going to be able to pick out patterns in that vast amount of data in a way that no human being would be able to.It's gonna be able to do it at really, really fast speeds, right?So human brain operates on neurochemical processes, artificial intelligence computers in general, that processing moves at the speed of light.So there's a religious idea behind it that artificial intelligence is becoming and will become a sort of God to human beings.How do you merge yourself with that God? How do you reap the benefits and blessings of that God?Descending from there, you've got robotics.Which requires artificial intelligence for sophisticated systems of control.[9:58] You also have brain-computer interfaces, so that could be anything from these screens that we're speaking through, and I think that is a valid interpretation, hence my transhuman editor label. And then you've got the non-invasive brain-computer interfaces, It's kind of skull caps that read the brain in increasingly great detail.They don't require implants. Some of them, they're planning to roll out, different corporations are planning to roll out sort of AirPod-like brain computer interfaces or small bands that fit on the back of your head used for anything from monitoring employees' mental states to controlling actual computer systems.Nita Farahany is probably the leading expert on the non-invasive brain computer interface, if your listeners would like to look into it. But then of course you have the implanted brain computer interface.You got three major corporations working on that.[11:01] Neuralink, which has yet to get FDA approval. You've got a hole cut out of your skull, chip put in, about 1,024 wires or more if they can get them into the brain, those read the brain, and then allow the human being to project thoughts into a computer system.At the moment, there's not really any input. They've been able to do muscular movements and other things, but for the most part right now, the technology is only output.And so any input would have to come in through the traditional method, visual audio.And then two other corporations though, that are right now implanting their brain computer interfaces in human brains.You've got Synchron out of Brooklyn.[11:49] And Synchron is instead of drilling a hole, you send a kind of stent, an electronic stent up the vein into the brain at the jugular.And it sits within the vein and is able to read the neurons around it.I don't know what their count is, probably something like six, seven, eight, less than 10 if I'm not mistaken.But they have implanted them and people who are locked in, who've had strokes, things like that, are basically being experimented on with the intention of Tom Oxley, their CEO, hopes that eventually that technology will be able to be used to throw your emotions to other people.Kind of hive mind-ish idea.And then you've got BlackRock Neurotech invested in by Peter Thiel, and they're based out of Utah.And again, a different sort of technology, the way it works, you get it under the skull on top of the brain. It's a micro electrode array patch that sits on top of the brain.[12:58] I think that they have around 36 patients that are currently implanted with that technology.And again, it allows them to operate robotic arms. It allows them to translate their thoughts into text on screen, things like that.Moving down from there you have the sort of biological, Neurological and biological[13:22] technologies so the the neurological technologies this kind of feeds into the brain-computer interface is just[13:30] transcranial stimulation whether it's magnetic or whether it's kind of a a sonogram of, sorry, What's the word I'm looking for? Using sound waves anyway, sorry, I blanked on the very common term.But you use the stimulation to do various things, change mood, change the ability to concentrate, those sorts of things.And then, of course, you have the implanted version of them.There's like 160,000 of those, and those range from everything from eliminating Parkinson's tremors to eliminating depression, oddly enough.[14:10] And then I think the most famous and the thing that really captures people's imagination, genetic engineering.Genetic engineering has been a thing for quite some time. The first real genetic engineering projects come out of Stanford in the 70s.But with the advent of CRISPR, basically a molecular complex found in E. coli, CRISPR-Cas9, that was really discovered, I would say, 2011. It was kind of a piecemeal discovery process.[14:42] But now CRISPR is used for all sorts of things. And the advantage of CRISPR is that it allows the geneticist to go in and spot edit the genome. So initially it was to cut out nucleotides in a faulty gene to shut the gene down. But now they're able to actually cut out and insert corrective nucleotides to change the gene, to correct the gene, to heal disease. And the goal going forward for a lot of people, not everyone by any means, but for a lot of people, the goal going forward is to use that to enhance human beings, to give us greater intelligence, to give us greater strength, and you know, whatever else may be desired. Beauty.Mood, temperament, all those sorts of things. So that hopefully gives your listeners a roadmap, artificial intelligence, robotics.[15:41] Brain-computer interfacing, neuro-enhancement, and genetic engineering.
Two questions. One, obviously, one argument on this is this is just technological advancement.This is just humans bettering themselves.But then another part of that, when you mentioned some of those things, you realize that it is, much of it is very much about the person.It's not technology at arm's length, but actually people may not have control or the ability to decide yes or no that it will happen because it's on the person as opposed to a phone that you can pick up and set down if you can't actually pick it up and set down because it's part of you.But what are your, one, that this is just technological advancement, but then the flip other side that maybe humans will not be able to decide whether or not they're part of this.
It's a thorny topic for a lot of reasons. One, a lot of transhumanists argue for a morphological freedom, right? So guys like Max Moore, guys like Zoltan Istvan, they talk about it in terms of freedom.It's the freedom to be able to alter one's body or use technologies in any way they see fit, even if it puts off the rest of us in normal human society.[17:03] Then you have the more kind of implicit totalitarianism that you see in the singularity prophecies, right?So Ray Kurzweil being the most famous, it's just the idea that these technologies have always increased in complexity and effectiveness at an exponential rate.Then that exponential curve will continue until it reaches basically vertical, basically infinite advancement.He calls this a singularity at which technology is completely out of human control and the technology is making all the decisions. And he predicts 2045 is the date we'll hit the singularity.[17:43] And so the implicit totalitarianism there is that not that these guys are creating technologies to control everyone, the idea there, and they never own up to it, but this is definitely there.The idea is that you're creating a technological system that is inescapable and a technological system that has ultimately the final say in whatever sort of state that human psychology or human society is in.And so,even if you don't believe in something like that, even if you don't believe something like that's possible, to the extent that ideology is driving the people making the technologies and is also kind of hypnotizing the public with this technophilia, you end up in a situation where whether the singularity comes or not, whether anything like that happens or not, you have a kind of techno-religion that sees, really the rise of artificial intelligence, nano robotics and genetic engineering as this sort of second coming or the realization of God.And I really do fear, Peter, that a lot of people are so enamoured by it that the effectiveness of the technology won't be as important as the social and psychological effects.Now moving over into the more totalitarian, like openly totalitarian end of it.[19:10] In the West, people really don't talk like that.Even Klaus Schwab, if you read his writing or really listen to what he's saying outside of the small snippets, and certainly if you listen to Yuval Noah Harari to any length, neither of them are talking about creating a digital dictatorship.Schwab sounds more like it than Harari. Harari, if you read Harari carefully or even just read him at all, or listen to him carefully or just listen to him at all.You hear him over and over again, warning that these technologies are a recipe for digital dictatorship, right?So this idea of hackable humans, yeah, he's very unsentimental and he's very hostile to religion.He mocks religion a lot, so it's very off-putting.But what he's talking about is the rise of the scientific paradigm in which human beings, don't have free will.It's a scientific paradigm that holds that our decision-making process is nothing more than the bubbling up of neurochemical processes, and that with sufficient surveillance technology, your phone being a big one.[20:19] Sufficient surveillance technology allows governments and corporations to monitor your behaviours and as he would put it, to know you better than you know yourself.Then they're able to manipulate the population en masse, and they're able to target individuals for direct psychological manipulation.And because of this belief that free will is an illusion, people won't even realize that they're being manipulated. They will think they're making their own decisions.Now where you do see a sort of overt application of this, you see it in China.China has you know, they're they're really it's unclear how advanced their artificial intelligence is, it's unclear how advanced their genetic engineering projects are but they have far fewer ethical constraints on, genetic engineering and they have,[21:15] basically, no real ethical constraints that I'm aware of on the development of artificial intelligence up to artificial general intelligence now, Really is officially speaking neither do we in the West?But for China, the real advance they have made in artificial intelligence is in surveillance technology.And so of course in any major city in China, you've got wall to wall surveillance sensors.And those are more and more starting to incorporate biometric sensors, biometric analysis of video footage or other biometric data, including genetic data.And so China, I think, represents kind of an overt expression of what we're talking about when transhumanism meets totalitarianism.And it's very chilling because more and more people at the World Economic Forum, including Klaus Schwab, seem very amenable to the Chinese model.And more and more, I think, people in America implicitly are embracing something like the the Chinese model.[22:21] Obviously one of the, just before we want to move on some of the individuals involved, but one of the headlines I think which you reposted was a zero hedge headline, 1st of April.The headline was unprecedented Chinese genetic experiment may lead to an army of radiation resistant super soldiers.They talk about Frankenstein like experiments with manipulation of human DNA.I guess the danger is that somewhere like China, you say it doesn't have restrictions, but also it doesn't have a sense of the individual, where in the West, the individual makes their choices and they can choose yes or no, where in China you don't have that ability. When you have stories like that out of China, it makes you wonder what else is happening, but in a country that doesn't have those controls and doesn't have those personal individualistic controls, then it's frightening where that can go, I guess.
Yeah, I think that is a great example of two things. One, the sort of distracting over sensationalization of what's going on. It was an experiment.[23:31] It was an experiment on human embryos. Basically, they're fusing, they're injecting or stitching water bear genes into human genes, right?Of water bears and those tiny little microscopic creatures that I guess look like bears.They look more like some kind of monstrous doodle bug to me.But the idea then being that because water bears are resistant to radiation, these resulting humans would also be resistant to radiation.One of the things that I covered and looked into quite a bit was the creation of human monkey chimeras in China.[24:09] This was done in partnership with the Salk Institute in California, but the human monkey chimeras, basically a chimera is taking two different types of stem cells, right, two different species or multiple species stem cells and fusing them together to create a sort of hybrid creature. This has been done a lot in mice, but this was, these were human stem cells blended with, I believe it was macaque monkey stem cells and we're chimpanzee, whatever.And they let them grow until like 30 days, then offed them, right?Mass abortion basically.[24:51] And another great example, Ha-Xiang Hui, the Chinese geneticist, in I believe it was 2018 announced that he had created the world's first, at least known, CRISPR babies, a pair of twins whose father was HIV positive.So he went in and used CRISPR to alter their, it's a gene that is responsible for the enzymes on cellular membranes, a defensive enzyme that would give themimmunity or at least resistance to HIV. He was of course imprisoned by the Chinese Communist Party after all of the global ethical outrage.Many would say and I think it's probably correct that the reason they imprisoned him is mainly because he bragged about it not because he did it. But, anyway, I think that in many ways the, in the same way that killer artificial intelligence is a is a diversion from the real dangers of just minimally powerful artificial intelligence or social control or surveillance.And in the same way that an implanted brain-computer interface kind of distracts attention away from the real human-machine symbiosis that occurs through our relationship with smartphones and other digital devices.In that same way, the focus on this idea of horrific mutants,[26:16] such as a human monkey chimera, or a part human, part water bear nuclear war super soldier, A, it's very unclear whether any of those creatures would ever develop into anything anyway, right?More than likely, they would just die as the genetic monsters that they are.But even if that was done, you're talking about a tiny minority of people We'll take another 10 to 20 years to really see what the realization of that means, What's more important? I think is something like the vast experiments done on the human population with mRNA injections, That alone is enough to give us pause. You know, it is terrified about half of us and[27:02] for very very good reason it has completely hypnotized seemingly the other half of us, which is also extremely alarming.But I really think that it's the extreme ends of these technologies It's very important to look at them because that tells you where they want it to go, but for the immediate, for right now for the present time. I think that the most important thing to look at is these these more mundane experiments being done on the whole on whole populations such as the mRNA injections such as as human smartphone symbiosis, and such as AIs like the chatbots, the chat GPT.
Well, let's get into it. I want to talk about some of the individuals.I was saying actually what are the vision guiding these technologies, but the vision comes with the individuals.And of course, you've got Bezos with Amazon One, Sam Altman, who I actually hadn't come across until you put out the article about the biometric world ID.Someone like Jeff Bezos, us on the right on the conservative side, or we don't like.But then you've got Peter Thiel, you've got Elon Musk, and then there's confusion because they're pushed towards some of these technologies. So, I mean, give us a, you've touched on some of the figures, but maybe touch on some of those who are some of the key individuals pushing some of these technologies?[28:30] You know, since you mentioned them and none of them, none of the ones you've mentioned other than Peter Thiel are open transhumanist and even Peter Thiel now basically says transhumanism is a kind of a past, it's a fad that has passed.And in some sense he's correct because transhumanism was a very localized school of thought that whose ideas influenced a lot of people.And now you wouldn't call it transhumanism. You would call it the fourth industrial revolution, or you would call it the internet or you would call it bio-digital convergence, something like that.So just going across that spectrum and I'll just go from left to right.You would say, and I don't think that left and right really don't apply here because what you're talking about is an orientation towards a higher power technology and it really does cross the political spectrum.There's every reason for people on the right to want to use these technologies as there is for people on the left.So.Bill Gates, though, I think is at least most associated with kind of left-wing thinking, even if he's not really a leftist in any meaningful way.[29:36] He is probably, he's been the most resistant to publicly espousing transhumanist goals, right? He's more and more moving in that direction, especially with the release of the GPT technology.But, you know, for him, it's always this sort of latent thing.He's much more focused on the immediate so far as I can tell and he's also to me the most condemnable of all those individuals because of all the influence that he's wielded to[30:05] force these technologies on people in a technocratic fashion moving over to Jeff Bezos, you know, There are a lot of reasons that Jeff Bezos has gone under the radar because he is, He like gates. He's not been all that outspoken but just look at three different aspects of his career, four different aspects, sorry, four.Number one, the entire Amazon structure is technocracy personified, right?So a fulfillment center is a top-down control structure built off of algorithms and some advanced artificial intelligence that either employs robotics to do the work or it turns humans into kind of human algorithm symbiotes.So people literally sit around all day on their phones taking direction and they're monitored and artificial intelligence scrapes up that data to figure out how to make the system more efficient.It is without a doubt, the most effective digital super organism that exists on the planet, or at least among the maybe military grade super organisms are more powerful.Second, his entire infatuation with going out into outer space and...[31:22] At one point he was speaking at the National Cathedral. He talked about how maybe in one vision of the future, most people would live in outer space and Earth would remain as a sort of national park for them to visit on occasion, which is utterly inhuman and horrific to most normal people.But it just basically went without comment. A few people were like, oh my God, that sounds horrible.This billionaire is talking about putting us on space ghettos and keeping Earth for themselves.Well, I mean, that's our guy right there, right?And so the whole thing with Blue Origin with a penis-shaped rocket and the Amazon smile with a penis-shaped smile, I think it does in many ways represent the kind of masculine underpinning of transhumanism in the entire kind of technological endeavor.But also, he's invested in Altos Labs in conjunction with Yuri Milner.And Yuri Milner is much more openly transhumanist. He wrote a manifesto, I can't remember the name of it, talking about human life, giving away to Silicon Life.But Altos Labs is dedicated to human longevity through genetic engineering.Peter Thiel also involved in this. Obviously Bill Gates involved in this.Most of these, Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Google also involved in this.Very, very, very popular among the billionaires.[32:41] But as you mentioned, Amazon one. Here you're talking about really this kind of pop beast system, wherein Amazon customers, now Panera Bread customers, also Whole Foods customers using their palm biometrics in order to pay for things and identify themselves.I think that that is going to be a much more popular way of implementing what Christians would call a beast system because a lot of people fetishistically implant RFID chips for that purpose. That is really unnerving to a lot of people. Whereas if you take that away entirely and just have a biometric scan, it's much more amenable to the general population.I don't know what the numbers are yet for the customers, but I do know that it's many dozens of stores this is rolled out in so people are using it.Moving over to the right though, you've got Elon Musk who is everything but an open transhumanist, right?He he espouses all of the transhumanist values without ever using the term transhumanism It's very very common ploy, right?So everything from the idea that artificial intelligence will achieve this godlike state to, the only way that human beings will be able to survive in such an environment is to link our brains to it to friendly AIs through an invasive brain computer interface, which he's working on.[34:04] He's also working on artificial general intelligence with Tesla AI and one would imagine that, he has and will be using Twitter data for the same purpose, right?He didn't need to buy Twitter for that, just by the way. Twitter has always offered Firehose API for people who want to data mine Twitter.The only thing that really gives you is 24-7 fire hose access and also access to the DMs other than that a lot of people are training their a eyes on Twitter or have been,[34:36] interestingly musk has cut that off anyway, and then also you know musk and his obsession with going and living in space This is a recurring theme of transhumanist to get off of Earth and become the sort of multi planetary, species and The creation of the robot optimist would be another great example example, the rollout of autonomous vehicles is another great example. I mean, at that point you've got an infrastructure that controls you as much as you control it or maybe more.And so it's really interesting this way in which he's captured the hearts of the right, mainly because he's cool, he's funny, and he at the moment is so anti-PC or anti-woke that there is a certain alignment there. And I appreciate all he's done in that direction, but to me, his long-term vision of the future is more important than the short-term favors he might have to offer. And then moving to the farthest right, Peter Thiel, much more openly involved with these different transhumanist movements.[35:42] What is it called? The Methuselah Foundation, he's invested in heavily. A number of other sort of longevity start-ups he's invested in. He was very interested in Ambrosia, which was, was they've shut down operations now because of threats from the FDA.But Ambrosia is a process.They use the process of parabiosis. They would inject young people's blood into older people to give them more vitality. And of course, Peter Thiel founded Palantir.[36:13] Which even if they're not working on artificial general intelligence, their AI systems are among the most sophisticated in the world.And they're used to, uh, to really apply real world power through the military and through the security state in general. And so on and on, again, as I mentioned, Peter Thiel was an investor in, originally investor, an investor in Neuralink, now a major backer of BlackRock Neurotech brain computer interfaces. So, you know, across the spectrum, one last thing, actually, if I may, One last thing about Peter Thiel that's also really interesting. Of all those people I just mentioned, he is also explicitly religious in his outlook. And so Peter Thiel is oftentimes written about Christianity and the relationship it has with technology. And maybe the most important essay that I'm aware of personally is an essay that was published at First Things, Christian magazine, the title being Against Edenism.[37:21] And in that he argues there's no going back to Eden of Genesis, there's only going forward to the city of God in Revelation.And so Christians need to use these technologies to defend, to bolster and defend their civilizations, to create a sort of kingdom of God on Earth or some approximation of the city of God on earth, and city of heaven on earth.[37:50] To me, I think that it's a kind of gross perversion of what the Christian doctrine is.I mean, not that there's any single Christian doctrine.I know many of your religious listeners might take umbrage with that statement, but the sort of general orientation of Christianity is towards a higher spiritual realm and is at least disinterested in the outcomes of the physical body, this technological obsession is obsessed with physical outcomes. So Thiel is also interested in that way. Aside from funding all these kind of Christian Republican candidates, he also uses Christian mythology in order to push a kind of technocratic or transhumanist point of view.
Can I pick some of the names? The whole chat-GBT thing. I know Peter Thiel and Elon Musk were involved in the beginning and then Microsoft came along and put in billions and seemed to have taken that partially as their own and then the whole letter from 1800 opposing, the move of AI in general. But I mean I'm Gen X so it did take my older son to show me the South Park episode about chatGBT and then I thought I have to get up to get up to speed. But I guess people just see that as[39:20] helping society, making your life easier. It doesn't seem too invasive. It's just[39:27] for lazy people, they can use that. And how does that kind of fit in? Because chat GPT has been very much in the media recently.
ChatGPG set off a social atom bomb. It's just really insane.On the one side you have all these people who have embraced it.On the war room we've really focused on guys like Hans Monk at Epic Times who is very enthusiastic about it as being a way to break the left.And then of course Jordan Peterson.People really got mad at me, but he does sound like a real wiener when he's talking about it being smarter than you are.Are and oh Elon Musk is going to save us. Sorry for your Jordan Peterson fans but I find him to be very off-putting. Anyway, they talk about it as kind of this god-like entity in some sense. And then on the other side, which is really, really interesting, on the other side you've got guys like Eliezer Yudkowsky and Elon Musk and Yuval Harari and Max Tegmark.All of them, transhumanist basically, with the exception of maybe Harari.I know a lot of people would wonder why I would say that, but I don't see him as being a transhumanist in any meaningful way.Anyway, all of these transhumanists are saying that this represents a profound danger to human civilization. So why would they say that? It's a chatbot.It's nothing but a chatbot, right?[40:55] And the real reason, there's two major reasons, right? One, the unexpected capacities that GPT technology, has exhibited, the sort of general knowledge that it's able to put out on the basis of, you know, nothing more than a neural network, right?Like you're just talking about an artificial brain that exists in a virtual system, but because of its size and the scale of the data it was trained on, it surprised everyone. GPT-3 surprised everyone. GPT-3.5 or chat GPT really surprised everyone as they flooded the public with it and people started having these very, personal interactions with an artificial mind and that was really important before they put on the safety layers people oftentimes say oh AI is just woke, Initially it wasn't just woke before they started putting the safety layers on it. It was actually[42:03] unbiased hence the enthusiasm that people like Hans Monk and Jordan Peterson had for it and[42:09] GPT-4 has really stunned people because it's starting to edge towards general intelligence.And just, I've been speaking about it, but just for any listeners who aren't familiar, artificial narrow intelligence is an AI that can do one single task or one kind of narrow range of tasks, such as play chess or go or play video games or control a microchip production system or to spit out words like chat GPT, right?Artificial general intelligence is something more human-like in which you have multiple cognitive modules that thinks across all of these domains and oftentimes simultaneously.Doesn't exist yet, but GPT-4 represented a huge move in that direction.It was able to translate, for instance, vision into text and make reasonable conclusions about it.It was able to solve mazes, right? It's a language model, it was able to solve mazes.And maybe most importantly, it excelled on human testing.[43:18] So the two most impressive were the GRE verbal test, 99th percentile was its score.And then you've got the US Biology Olympiad, again, 99th percentile.And then you had the LSAT and the bar exam, law exams.And that was 90th percentile and 88th percentile, respectively. So[43:46] people saw this as this incredible potential. Where is it going to go next?That's the fear.Now I personally am quite stunned that people are so enamored by this and that they want to embrace it.I think the biggest danger that this technology poses is that people like Bill Gates, right?Because Microsoft backed OpenAI, They're incorporating all of these GPT technologies into their systems.And so Bill Gates is talking about using it for education. A lot of people are talking about using it for education, meaning that education will become more and more, more than it is now, e-learning, digital learning.And these students, the youngest generation is going to develop this human AI relationship that is going to stick with them for life.And transhumanists oftentimes talk about how in an ideal future, you would have your own kind of personal AI as a type of guardian angel that would teach you about the world and would learn you better than you know yourself, right?And give you the advice that you need to get through life. You're talking about the most powerful brainwashing technology ever created.[45:05] And, you know, aside from that, you've got all of these different jobs that are being obliterated, everything from copywriters to editors to lawyers and even doctors and nurses.So that is, again, you're talking about the digital mediation between humans and all these kind of critical services.Maybe most importantly, preachers, rabbis, imams, I assume, using these technologies, specifically chat GPT, to create their sermons or to read, you know, to maybe a more autonomous system, just a simpler system to read liturgy.This is already occurring in like small little points across the planet. It has not yet taken off. But I could definitely foresee a future, especially after all of these children have been brainwashed by this technology, in which as you and I get old and die, literally, we've got a robot standing over us, reading us our last rites, as our, you know, the contents of our consciousness are made manifest through some sort of digital zombie made from all of our data.I mean, it sounds sci-fi, but barring nuclear war or an EMP, something like that is going to happen in certain societies around the world.So the big danger I see are those more immediate dangers, the psychological danger and the sociological and economic dangers.But you've got guys like Eliezer Yudkowsky.[46:33] Who say that, Nick Bostrom is also a major figure, who says that this represents a move towards an artificial general intelligence that is not aligned to human values, and it's not necessarily aligned to human existence.And so if the next iteration in GPT-5, or the next iteration in GPT-6, or any of these other AI companies that are working in competition with them, or any of the militaries around the world who are developing other artificial intelligence systems, if any of these create a digital brain that is large enough and fast enough and astute enough, I guess is a way of putting it, then you end up in a situation where you might get a hard takeoff, right? An intelligence explosion, what Nick Bostrom calls a super intelligence.And if that super intelligence is not aligned to human values or does not regard human existence as being necessary or desirable then it could easily take control of[47:42] critical infrastructure it could take control of weapon systems It could take control of a biolab or a series of biolabs, Or it could take control of individuals within a society to use any of these critical systems in order to destroy some other people or all of humanity. That's the fear that Eliezer Yudkowsky is talking about and it's entirely based on all of these kind of emergent properties from a chatbot that should just be you know some sort of rote memorization sort of regurgitation of all this knowledge but instead is showing this flexibility.The fear is that chatbot or maybe it's a robotic system or maybe it's a military simulation system or maybe it's a military control system. It could be any type of AI But if it reaches a super intelligent state, The fear is from their side that it would obliterate some or all of humankind, again I think it's very very important to listen to just for this for the same reason that all the warnings about the atom bomb were were very, very important to listen to.But in some ways that distracts from the more immediate and certainly attainable goals of rolling out these AIs across the society and using them for social control, for indoctrination and for mass surveillance.[49:06] I just wanna, I'm looking at time, but just wanted to bring in one final post that you had put up.This is on your GETTR and this was a YouGov America. I just want to touch on just for a few minutes, because it's interesting to see what the public rise.It was interesting, actually, YouGov, asking the question, how concerned at all are you about the possibility that AI will not just have a negative effect, but will cause the end of the human race on Earth?So it was a very hyperbolic question. But on this, you had 19% very concerned, 27% somewhat.So you've got 46% are concerned, 13% not knowing. So it seemed very evenly split.Half the people who were asked either were concerned or didn't know what it was about or unconcerned and didn't know.That was not only the type of question asked, that was intriguing, but the response was also intriguing.What were your thoughts when you posted this? I think it was back on 5th of April or so when you posted this.
Well, it's obviously is an expression of that open letterthat was put out by the Future of Life Institute calling for a six-month moratorium[50:19] on any AI above the level of GPT-4. Then, of course, Eliezer Yudkowsky published the now famous, op-ed in Time Magazine saying that's not enough and that all large GPU clusters, all large AI training centres, data centres should be banned.And if intelligence is aware of a training center working on a massive AI system, a potentially super intelligent system, airstrike should be on the table even at the risk of nuclear war.So this has flooded the national consciousness here in America and I presume world consciousness across the globe. I've been very provincial of late, so you'd have to tell me.But I know that just regarding that poll, which is an American poll.[51:15] This is flooding people's consciousness.It's always been there, latent consciousness has always been there in science fiction, everything from the Terminator and things like HAL 9000, all these sorts of motifs have always been there.Now, it represents a distinct possibility in people's minds.But that 50-50 split that you're seeing there, roughly 50-50, half and half, what's interesting is that give or take 10, 15%, either direction, on a score of issues, that's what you see in the American psyche.So you saw during COVID, I would say roughly half of the population became, you know, COVIDians and wanted to mask up obsessively.The other half, even among those who complied, really weren't into it.And on the extreme end, which I would place myself, were fiercely opposed and furious about it.[52:14] Same thing, basically, basically enthusiasm for the Vax. I don't know of any hard statistics.Forgive me if I'm a little wrong, but basically you've got this split, a significant enough split that each side has some potential of taking over the federal government and applying their will on the other half.Well, another really interesting poll that was done by two researchers, led by two researchers from Harvard and I believe Cambridge, if I'm not mistaken, looking at the Americans, and they surveyed asking them, if your child would have a better chance of getting into a top 100 college, Would you be willing to one, editthe embryo's genes to give it higher intelligence, or to use a polygenic risk score, or the pre-implantation testing, genetic testing, to figure out whether or not the IQ was high enough.[53:14] To give your infant a better chance of having a high IQ. And so, about a third, and this is roughly the same roughly the same for uneducated or more educated, skewed towards more educated, skewed towards younger, about a third, almost 40% among educated said they would be willing to edit their embryos genome[53:38] in order to give a higher IQ, just under half, just under 50% for the polygenic risk score.And what that means is that you conceive the child in vitro, right?Right the test tube baby from the 1970s you conceive the child in vitro and then you freeze the embryo and what you really do is you you stimulate the ovaries to produce multiple eggs so you end up with around 10 to 15 eggs and you conceive all of these and then you freeze them after taking a sample of the cells you do a polygenic risk or you do genetic testing on all of them and I've described this as being somewhere between a basketball tournament and a spelling bee basically you, one that is deemed to be most likely to be smartest also tallest and certainly devoid of any major, deformities or genetic diseases that one gets picked that one gets implanted either in the mother or as it's become more popular a surrogate and[54:44] then you have this kind of slow rolling process of eugenics This is already being done.And one of the major companies is Genomic, what is it, I believe it's Genomic Prediction, if I have the name right.And that was a startup funded by our boy Sam Altman from OpenAI, and they offer a sophisticated polygenic risk score test that includes IQ.It doesn't include positive IQ scores, but what it can weed out is the lowest 2% in IQ, or the lowest 2% in height is one of the things they offer, right?And so you've got this sort of soft eugenics, what's called liberal eugenics by the scholar Nicholas Agar.But liberal eugenics is not state enforced, it's choice, it's freedom, right?I have the freedom to eugenicize my child and the next generation.So looking at those statistics, you see the significant portion of the population that has enthusiasm for it.And that tracks with a previous poll that was published, I believe, last year from Pew, which found that people, it was like roughly a third, if I'm not mistaken, roughly a third of people would be willing to use genetic engineering[56:06] to eliminate a disease.And some other, I believe it was also roughly a third, said that they would be willing to implant a digital device into their child's brain in order to give them increased intelligence.I'm a little fuzzy, it's been a minute since I've looked at that, but it's significant enough to push this forward.And you have the possibility of it, right? You have the technological possibility of it.Some of it just over the horizon, some of it right here.So going back to the idea, well, is AI going to kill us all?I think it's you know it represents the the people who are going to want to put a halt to AI and the people who are at least going to want to regulate it or to boycott any corporation working on it those are going to fall into that half that cares right that half is afraid the other half is going to be much more likely to either not care and dismiss it or perhaps be enthusiastic about it with a lot of overlap, but this is kind of I'm not much of a futurist look at any of my track records for girlfriends gambling or elections, but I[57:21] do think that what you do see is enough social momentum enough acceptance on the part of the population at large large that should these technologies actually be effective, you'll have a significant proportion who will want it. And even if they aren't entirely effective, even if it's just some sort of half-baked version of it, they will be willing to accept and adopt it. And so I don't see this going away at all. Again, barring nuclear war or an EMP, I just don't see it going away, there is a growing enthusiasm for the techno cult we call transhumanism and a growing acceptance of the kind of dictatorial social structure we call technocracy. And I sense that it is a fast-growing religion, and it will continue to impact those of us who want nothing to do with it. We have to learn to deal with it. We have to learn how to resist it effectively and and not just this year and next year, but across generations.[58:27] Yeah, no, absolutely. Joe, I appreciate you coming on.I've thoroughly enjoyed watching you on the War Room.I enjoyed meeting up with you at CPAC.And just for the viewers that they can find you, this will be going out Monday the 17th, the American Freedom Alliance Conference.I had the privilege of going to one back in June called Propaganda, and you'll be speaking at the World War III, the early years, 22nd to 23rd of April.So there are tickets available.You can go to the website, americanfreedomalliance.org and get a ticket.If you're over there on the West Coast, then I would really encourage the viewers or listeners to go and make it a trip because you'll thoroughly enjoy it from listening to Steve Bannon, Joe Allen, and everyone else in between. So Joe, thank you for your time today.
Thank you very much, Peter. And just for your listeners, anyone who wants to go, promo code Joe, get a discount.So I would love to meet anyone who's over in that area. Come on down.But yeah, Peter, I really, really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me on.It was absolute, it was fantastic meeting you in DC. Great time, hope to see you again.

The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Great to have Lewis Brackpool join us again to give us his honest appraisals on the talking points, news and from his social media this past week.Under the microscope this episode.....- ASOS has lost the plot.- Health officials admit to no evidence that face masks protected vulnerable from Covid.- mRNA vaccines delivered through food?- 'We're not antivaxxers... we have lost loved ones'- London Mayor Khan to face the High Court over ULEZ expansion as it is deemed 'unlawful'.- Biden Family European Vacation.- National Public Radio Denies Being National Or Public!- Elon Musk: 'Any parent or doctor who sterilizes a child before they are a consenting adult should go to prison for life'.- Albanian gangster granted anonymity after claiming asylum in the UK...... to protect his security!- Figures show just 215 of the 45,728 Channel migrants who arrived by small boat last year were deported from UK.Lewis Brackpool is an independent journalist, broadcaster, commentator and a reporter. His writing focus is politics, freedom of speech, news and current affairs.Here he discusses his journey into journalism."I’ve been in the alternative media for a couple of years. I was previously with another company, a Canadian-based company called Rebel News.I started there after being made redundant from my previous job as a flight attendant - or a ‘trolley dolly’ as they say!After that, I thought, ‘Right, I want to get back into politics’. I used to study it for a bit, but my views were completely different to what we were being taught back in the days of 6th Form, with all the programming that they were pushing on people, so I decided to make a YouTube channel.I did that for a year, built up some contacts, networked, really pushed out my viewpoint on various subjects, and then applied for a course to report on Rebel News."Lewis is a rare thing among journalists as he brings uncensored, unbiased and unique information all delivered in his own imitable style.Connect and support Lewis.....Substack: https://lewisbrackpool.substack.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/lewis_brackpoolTWITTER: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool?s=20&t=ugH3aHz8n6Su4agPZJouqQTELEGRAM: https://t.me/lewisbrackpoolOriginally broadcast live 15.4.23
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[0:22] Tonight is absolutely wonderful to have Lewis Brackpool back with us again.Lewis, thank you so much.
 
Thank you, Peter. It's great to be back on.
Good to have you. And of course, there is Lewis's handle on Twitter.Make sure and follow him. And I believe you've launched recently a sub stack.Tell us what people can find on that and why they should subscribe to your sub stack, Lewis.
This is my little pitch.Basically, I love news. I love news, current affairs, very anti-globalist, NWO, all of that stuff.So I like to keep up to date with what's going on and if I see something, I'll probably write about it.So if you subscribe, I'm very new to it. I've only been doing it for two days so I've only got two articles but I try and keep it all up to date.And on Monday, I think we've got a couple of articles coming out or say we, just me and put in your email and you get it straight to your inbox and I'll try and be as out there with the news as possible. So yeah.[1:19] You know what it's like once you start in the treadmill, Lewis, you can't stop.You get that, don't you?
 
It's addictive. I love it. It's great.Make sure and subscribe to that. I catch Lewis's wisdom and hassle him if he doesn't give you one a day.We'll leave it at that, add to his stress levels. So much, most of them we've pulled from Lewis's Twitter account.Some of them we put up, but it's a good mixture. So let's start off with the first one, which is not as disturbing as Sam Smith, but still is, I think that's the level of disturbing we want.This is ASOS.[1:58] And I told you, do you want to, do you want to say on this, because it is quite a disturbing picture to start with, Lewis.[2:06] Well, this is ASOS. This is a clothing company that of course sells lots and lots of different products from Adidas to Fred Perry to other things.I used to shop at ASOS but they've gone in a quite different direction as you can see.
Is this not your usual attire?
 
This is not my usual attire, no.Absolutely not. I'm not on the weekends either.So this is not a bit of me personally. So yeah, I don't know what this market is for now or what this site ASOS or who it's for now.So I don't know. It's very, very odd. I saw that I keep getting sent now ASOS clothings and saying, have you seen that? Have you seen that?After I posted that one and I'm like, right, well, I don't want this all filled up my timeline now, but I think I sort of dug my own grave there with that one.[3:03] But yeah, I don't know what sort of direction ASOS is going in, but they have clearly lost the plot, like I said.
Obviously there are Sam Smith videos, obviously the Bud Light stuff.I mean, there seems to be no end.And you think when you go, I mean, I find it difficult now when some of the sites don't actually have male or female.I just want to click on the male section. You reduce it down by 90%. And it's simple.I want something for my top half, my bottom half to put on my feet.I just want it simple. now you have to navigate some weird, and this now just adds to it, because if that's not in the men's clothing section, I am gonna be really confused.[3:42] Yeah, absolutely. I think they're confused where they're pushing that product out.I mean, I don't know.I don't know. It's sort of all a bit topsy-turvy at the minute with that sort of stuff.Fashion has gone like a sort of a weird direction. It used to be punk, you know, used to be like this anti-establishment sort of thing to wear something really quirky.I mean, you look back at like the Sex Pistols, people like that, and they used to dress really outlandishly.But now it's come to a point where...That's not anti-establishment. Anti-establishment is dressing like a Christian or like a traditionalist. So yeah, it's strange how things have changed over the years.
Maybe I'm thinking this could be your premium bit on your sub stack.You could actually, weekly, you could dress up in something different.Just a thought, Lewis, I don't know. I don't know, just helping you out.[4:36] Yeah, I had to get a good subscription model for that one.
 
Moving swiftly on, we will move on to COVID.Thankfully, we're not streaming on YouTube. This is fascinating from The Telegraph.No evidence face masks protected vulnerable from COVID, health officials say.This is a report, they did all these studies, and The Telegraph reported on children and the impact on them.And now they've just done wider and critics, critics, well, the Telegraph was not a critic sadly, it was applauding what the government did, but critics say authorities are failing to prepare for any future pandemic by not examining the effectiveness of masks.It's an interesting mix that are talking about future pandemics, talking about this.[5:35] But yeah, what are your thoughts? there seems to be drip drip the truth slowly coming out.
Well this is exactly it. This is exactly what I was saying the other day. I was speaking to friends about this particular article and I actually reposted it and it's typical. We know that this wasn't going to come out very very early on because you know what would have happened if it did come out very very early on. People would just not comply and this is what the government, this is what the state or the establishment want to do if they implement something they want you to follow it, they want you to obey it, they want you to be obedient to it and if you continue to push out conflicting, messages to the establishment then of course people aren't gonna buy it and it's so funny how this is slowly starting to unravel.[6:29] I don't want to get into the whole, oh, we told you so, because that's not going to, that's not going to change. Go on, go on. I want to say it.I know I want to say that I told you so line. It's so easy to say.But it's now at a point where you have to question everything. You have to absolutely question what the mainstream media are putting out.Even the Telegraph. I mean, that, for example, is so conflicting.You've got the heading just basically saying it outright.No evidence that masks work and then under underneath it's like, oh, but they're failing for to, look at the evidence of masks for future pandemics doesn't make sense. So I don't know if there's a ghost writer there. I don't know if someone higher up to this writer is over the shoulder and saying, right, make sure you put that. So all the conspiracy theorists don't jump on quote unquote. It's typical. It's absolutely typical and weirdly not surprising at the same time.
There, just want to touch, there was, let me, let me look, do I, yes I do have it on my screen.It says here, however, this is a review, UK Health Security Agency.They said, the report was unable to find a single piece of scientific research which had usable data.And I guess if us minions mentioned that on YouTube, we'd get a strike immediately.[7:55] The Rapid Review looked at 4,371 studies specifically about COVID, but there was none that examined the effectiveness of N95 or equivalent masks.[8:10] It beggars belief that after destroying people's lives, telling them this would work, that there actually is zero evidence.4,000 surveys are, and there is no evidence that it worked.Then it kind of.Does make you angry doesn't it?
 
Of course, absolutely and it makes you, it makes people like us angrier I think because we were shouting from the rooftops about this and we were telling people don't do it.[8:40] And then people would give you almost evils on public transport if you use public transport a lot and you didn't wear a mask and you refused to comply and I still got a good friend of mine Nazarin Veronica has been standing up to when she goes to the NHS or use the NHS in hospitals and, doctors appointments, even not just for herself, but for moral support for friends. She's always been approached by people saying you must wear a mask, you must wear a mask. Yet the evidence is so contradictory and has been since the beginning. And all these altercations that you look back you just think what was what was the point what was the point of it all and it is frustrating it's very very frustrating I just, I don't expect to see that on the BBC put it that way and I don't expect that they will put stories out like that because they're so worried that the truth will start to unravel even more, that people[9:44] are just gonna turn around and say well, what else have you lied about and then the rabbit hole begins You know and that's what happened to a lot of us that certainly happened to me, You know when you look back Trump being one for many other things and lots of different media smears and things like that, That's another example Brexit, Lots and lots of different subjects. So I don't know. I don't know. It's it's I don't know It's a very, very odd one, but I understand the frustration.Just got to stay focused and keep shouting from the rooftop still.
Yeah. Well, let's on the Covid, actually, let me just pull in.There is Gareth 1965, Ian Peter Lewis, Charlotte, Baroness of Burnley.Great to have you with us, Charlotte, from little Airbnb cottage in the middle of nowhere. How lovely.[10:35] So do there is Julie X. Do drop your comments in.I will try and pull them in, but not get pulled away.This, ProJam, can you play? Can you play that video, actually?Don't do it full screen. Just don't do it full screen.
(plays video audio)
Medicago's manufacturing facility looks like a nursery, but inside these plants, they're growing a new kind of vaccine.The technology is called a virus-like particle.At Medicago, we use a careful step-by-step process to develop vaccines, using our plants as mini bioreactors.We start with the gene sequence, or code, of a virus.We then use our technology to synthesize the virus code into a real biological product.The code contains genetic instructions that our plants can read, and we insert it into bacteria called agrobacterium tunfaciens.We submerge the plants in a bath with the bacteria that carries the information into the plant cells. And using a vacuum, we suck out the air between the plant cells and replace it with the liquid.The plants absorb it like a sponge.[11:48] At the end of their bacterial bath, we return our plants to a carefully controlled greenhouse to let them get on with their natural growing business for at least four days.Now the plants will start producing the most important ingredient of our vaccines, virus-like particles.[12:05] So that was Darren of Plymouth. And it's obviously we've been encouraged, coaxed, forced in some countries to to get an experimental jab.It's I guess it is. I remember seeing a story about mosquitoes being used to deliver genetic modified mosquitoes.And I guess another step is in the food. and there you see it because you've got GM food, I guess.So it does seem to be the next step. And then it's wonderful that we can all get fighters, drugs directly into our food supply. What could be better?
Well, exactly. And I read as well that China have managed to get it in cow's milk, I believe.So that was extraordinary to read.I mean, is it any wonder that the Dutch farmers are going through such a struggle at the minute with their government?Because whoever controls the food supply can control the people really considering that they are the second largest[13:07] agricultural exporter of foods and goods, so, Is it any wonder that this sort of stuff is really beingaccelerated in in this time and do you know what since 2020 and possibly even before 2020, we're seeing now this acceleration of all of this, whether it be GMOs, whether it be mRNA, whether it be all of these types of, pushes from whether it be the World Economic Forum or all of these different UN based, partnerships that are really pushing out ways in which[13:44] our lives are going to change, our lifestyles are going to change in different ways from food to societal to economics it's all just completely changing so it's scary it's really actually scary, if someone was to ask me how do you push back against this I mean the most I can think of is read read the labels and what you're, what you're eating and consuming and drinking that's that's kind of the only sort of sensible thing, same with the bug narrative that we're seeing as well, where insects, I think the European Union secretly, or I say secretly, they said it very quietly.They put a bill through that they can put insect products within food, within certain European countries.I need to fact check myself on that one. But I believe the bill was passed through not so long ago and that's all fine now apparently and everyone's forgotten about it.So I think people need to really[14:48] just be aware of what you're eating and drinking now and yeah, just be mindful, I think is the only sensible answer to that is.
I think we have moved away from a trust in our authorities to actually questioning and that does go into food, which is another step.But yeah, completely. This was a fascinating story.This is about the, obviously the anti-vaxxer line is one that is used against us all.And this is from the Daily Mail, we're not anti-vaxxers, we have lost loved ones.Widower of BBC presenter who died from COVID-19 vaccine complications launches legal action against AstraZeneca on 75 people whose relatives passed away or suffered jab related injuries. Now to me it's intriguing that someone who has died and that link to the BBC, that's what's kind of intriguing on this and I'm thinking that will get a little bit more traction. But of course these are similar stories we see regularly with people dying sudden adult death syndrome, whatever it's called.[16:09] But this seems to be directly linked to the jab AstraZeneca. But what are your, thoughts on this? I mean, the massive difficulty of anyone getting justice, I guess, in this area.
Well, absolutely. And this is unfortunately going to be, well, to put it politely, very very politely. It's a rude awakening almost to the damage and the misery that this this MRNA shot has actually caused to millions and millions of people.[16:46] It's, we're seeing this all the time now and that's I here's the thing Peter like when when people were sceptical to start with, this wasn't out of points or trying to be right if this was out of no, there's genuine concern here. And, now it's to the point where you know when you're called a conspiracy theorist. I wish I was, I wish it was a conspiracy theory, I'm going to put that out there. I wish it was a conspiracy theory and that it's not actually happening and you can't attribute. But it is. It is. It's real. It's happening to ordinary people. And hearing stories of widowers, of people who have lost sons, daughters, family, friends, whether it be vaccine injured or even worse.[17:42] I mean, you just, you think how long until people start to recognize what is going on.And it makes me sick that like the athletes just suddenly collapsing and anything but is the quote, is anything but, but we need to start opening up investigations.We need to start having some accountability and having some justice for these people.It's not about point scoring politically. It's not about left or right or anything of the sort.It's about people's lives.So people need justice. People deserve justice.And we need answers as well. We need them now. We don't need them tomorrow. We need them now.[18:28] No, exactly. And this is, let me bring up the picture. So there's, Gareth Eve says he has no alternative but to pursue legal action against AstraZeneca after his wife, BBC Radio Newcastle presenter, Lisa Shaw, died from coronavirus vaccine complications.I guess if only the Daily Mail, the Telegraph and others were actually giving a word of caution at the beginning because it's strange, they publish this story, but the Daily Mail are complicit in the deaths of many people in the side effects and harms of many people because they told people get this or else you'll kill your granny.They were pushing the government narrative.
Exactly, exactly. And you know, there's so many, there are so many people that, I'm gonna say it, there's so many people that have blood on their hands because of this.There really is. And like I just said, I'm gonna echo what I just said.There needs to be accountability.There needs to be justice. Because if you are complicit in covering up this horrific crime is what it is. It's a crime.[19:44] You have so much blood on your hands if you are complicit within this.Telling people the truth shouldn't be a difficulty when it comes to this because it's people's lives.So I hope he receives justice for his wife. I really, really do.And I'll be praying for that.
Yeah. Well, move on. But just I saw someone actually had a business card and they gave it to me and said conspiracy without the theory.Just a flight back, conspiracy, just looked it up, a secret agreement made between two or more people or groups to do something bad or illegal that will harm someone else. And that seems to be what has happened with the drug companies in a rush for profit and power and control of that market, to gain a foothold that they were willing to push a product that was not tested in any shape or form.Remember, most vaccines go through a 10, 12 year testing period and doesn't matter what miracle you do, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, you don't get a vaccine in six to nine months, which is what happened. It is impossible. But yeah, that's anyway, we'll[20:55] move on to your Substack article. Sadiq Khan, for those of us, sadly, who live in London and are forced to endure this madman as our mayor, I worked in City Hall for years, sadly, didn't really see him. I guess he's actually he's so short you probably would miss him. I missed the Boris days which at least would have been good fun. But this is Sadiq Khan to face a high court over ULEZ expansion deemed unlawful. The Mayor of London is facing a high court challenge after his expansion of the ultra low emission zones. So tell us about this and this obviously gives the viewers a flavour of what they'll get in your sub stack Lewis.
 
Absolutely, sofinally some good news for a start, which is great someone being held accountable for something at least but I believe some, conservative councils and Peers have gotten together and said actually this is deemed unlawful and a judge has actually come out and said in a high court that this[22:03] expansion of you les is of course is deemed completely unlawful and they're actually going to be taking legal challenge against Sadiq Khan, which is great news. ULEZ being ultra low emission zones, we know a little bit about that, introduced by Boris Johnson and then expanded by Sadiq Khan.So we must remember that Boris Johnson is also held accountable for ULEZ or the concept of ULEZ in itself.That being that you have to register with the DVLA your vehicle under certain standards, weirdly European standards, even though we've left the EU, quote unquote, weird.[22:46] But this expansion zone is hurting low income Londoners, it's hurting people who want to drive and have been driving for years, it's hurting a vast majority of Londoners because of this charge. I believe it's £12.50 a day or can be up to £180 per day if you haven't met your DVLA standards or your low emission standards, I think is what they call it.So finally, some accountability. It's deemed unlawful. We've been seeing the protests recently.There was one today as well in London and stop the ULEZ expansion because it's it's set to be done in August I believe this year, please fact-check me on that.[23:35] So this is great so obviously more more to follow but at least there is a there's a start in some accountability
 
Yep, and of course this is a tax on, I mean we've, we just had to get a new car, I said new car, there's no way[23:56] many people can buy a new car. So we got a car a couple of years old and even it's difficult getting second hand, but it's that punishment on individuals because they can't afford a brand new car, they cannot afford an electric car, they can't afford the latest Tesla, and simply to get a new car is 15,000 plus, generally 20,000 plus, and cars have gone up, because simply just us looking at it, gone up by what 40% in the last three years.And it is, of course, Sadiq Khan looking down at those who actually are lower middle class and not in that upper class bracket and can't just splash the cash on 25,000 for a new car.
Yeah, absolutely. and all these people that claim to be for the working class or for the lower income Londoners, it's all baloney. It's all smokescreen. Climate change, this climate change agenda is all going to hurt the people with low incomes the most.Net zero and of course Agenda 2030, that's all going to hurt people with lower incomes the most.I mean, remember as well, Boris Johnson, when he was in power, he turned around and introduced by 2030, diesel and petrol engine vehicles are to be banned.[25:17] And I believe that still stands, if I'm correct. And this is all part, I hate to say it, but it's all part of a bigger agenda here.It's the idea of you shouldn't be able to own a vehicle or a petrol and diesel vehicle, it's something that's electric that can be controlled in the long term.[25:41] It will be put up onto this type of grid almost that can be switched on and off.I mean, we're now getting cars that you don't even have to drive yourself.You can have it drive for you. So it would drive you straight to the police station if you've made a hate crime.So, you know, how convenient.
 
No, exactly. Paul Lee on Facebook says it's not the, says the tax on the poor, it is.But it's also, it's funny whenever you comment to the people with their new electric car and you say, oh, so you're racist, are you? You must hate African children working as slaves to mine products for your battery. They accept that. They love their children in Africa, in those mines, killing themselves so they can drive their latest electric car.And it's pathetic, but yet some like ULEZ or some like me, we would be the ones with the hate crime, not them for killing these children in Africa.[26:46] Well, it's sad really. I've looked into the cobalt mining in I believe, I want to say the Congo, I believe it's in the Congo. Yeah, and there are some images coming out there that's absolutely shocking of children as young as six and seven, because they've got small hands, they can easily go into the to the mining sort of hole of where they're digging and they can bring out all the minerals. I mean, it's sad. It's very, very sad. And this is this. Well, this is it. You've got people now who love to virtue signal, love to go out and say on[27:31] their high horse that I'm doing the bit for the climate. I'm getting my electric car.I'm not participating in petrol or diesel.I'm not watching Formula One. I'm boycotting Formula One.I'm in Formula Two because of course it's all electric and I'm doing my bit for the environment.But they haven't worked out the concept of human life that's actually sacrificed themselves to bring that mineral to them.And listen, I'm not going around saying that I'm self-righteous and that I'm virtue, virtue signalling with the idea of the climate agenda.You know, I have a phone here that's probably got minerals that have done all sorts, I've got clothes,maybe that's I don't know.There's so many brands out there that have have their ways of getting their clothes here.[28:30] I'm not going around saying that I'm doing this for a greater cause and I'm this self-righteous person, but the fact that they're turning around saying they are and it's your fault, Peter, and it's my fault, Lewis, and everyone else who's watching the stream, it's your fault for not adapting to this electric car Tesla stuff, then you're of course a bad person.You're an awful person for not doing that.It's sad. It's sad to watch. It's sad to watch the circle come back round.
It really is. And just leave you the picture. I quickly did a Google check and this is from the Financial Times. So maybe they need to put a picture like that up at every dealership that does electric cars. So we all make our choices. And if we want that choice, then we make it. But at least people should make it with open eyes.Moving on to[29:32] Biden, the former Vice President Joe Biden, who masquerades as the President of the United States.And this is from the Daily Mail, shamelessly parading his disgraced son, taking selfies with accused terrorists and insulting America's allies. It's all in a day's work for our declining President on his corrupt Biden family European vacation. Of course, this is his trip to Northern Ireland and then the Republic of Ireland along with Hunter Biden, who the book is behind me there. We had Miranda Devine on with us on Monday I think it was, unpacking the laptop from hell.And it's, I mean it's interesting seeing because obviously the media did everything to attack Trump and Biden was supposedly the one that the media and the people wanted and now they're turning on because they realise he's sadly a decrepit individual who'd be much better in a nursing home. But what were your thoughts Lewis from watching Biden arrive in Northern Ireland, seeing I think he saw Sunak for like an hour over a coffee and then went on in the Republic?[30:46] Yeah I've heard that Biden's lineage to Ireland stems back as far back as the 1800s.So he's as much Irish as I am German, basically.So the idea that he's parading around saying he's Irish, I mean, we saw, you've seen that clip of him when he was interviewed by the BBC and he said, oh, BBC, well, I'm Irish.Yeah. The way, you saw that? He's as much Irish as I am German.Like, it's just not, it's so far beyond, like you can't say that he is pretty much.But his lineage stems back so far there. I saw, of course, the the selfie with Gerry Adams in Ireland.And I mean, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible.I think you're, I would say, Peter, you're more equipped to talk about this sort of subject, I would say.[31:47] But for me, seeing it, I mean, we know that Biden's pretty anti-British.We've seen that over the years, we've seen the clips, the little jibes he does.The relationship between America and the UK still stays strong between people who respect the constitution, respect Britain equally.But in terms of, well, in terms of relation or foreign relations between governments, I mean, that's going to put a spanner in the works, a massive, massive spanner in the works.So I don't know what he was thinking by that
 
Sadly I don't think he was thinking much.Even his aides weren't thinking, you know, the people that have been basically taking care of him for the his entire presidency. I don't know what they were thinking.I don't know if they'd done a Wikipedia search on, Jerry Adams and only saw that his only controversy was a 2016 tweet, nothing else mentioned, but you know, we know what Wikipedia is all about and who's funding that.So yeah, it's absolutely shocking. But...What are your thoughts Peter actually, because I've yet to have a chat with you about this whole[33:08] Biden visit as well.
 
Well, I mean I'm still fixated more on Hunter Biden and everything on that side. And again, just because I've just read the book, but obviously going down every, being over the States so much in the last year and everyone tells you how Irish they are, or how English they are, and they know their history better than anyone in Ireland knows theirs.And I'll, you know, give it to you, there's always been a good relationship between Ireland and the US and traditionally between the UK and across there. So if Biden wants to come over, stand in front of an Irish flag, lick an ice cream from some Irish ice cream parlor, then fair enough.And I guess this is all about electioneering. I mean, you never stop campaigning. And he needs a hell of a miracle or Dominion voting machines to help him win in the next election. So I guess that's a tick because he has no intention of visiting the rest of the UK, the mainland, coming over to England, coming over to London. You'd think he would actually take a trip over and visit the UK.[34:16] The fifth most important country in the world economically, but he sticks with Ireland simply because of electioneering. And a picture with Gerry Adams, I guess, helps him in that Democrat[34:27] supporter base. Who cares how many people you blow up and shoot dead? And that's irrelevant.It's about getting votes to him. And he probably doesn't have any clue. He probably doesn't know where he is, dear love. That's the sad part of it, that it's those around him. It's his wife, Dr. Jill, who actually is tormenting her husband simply because she wants to be in that position a first lady. To me, that's the whole sad part of it.
Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree with you. And it's more sad now, I think. I think because at first it was quite funny, you know, hearing all the gaffes and, you know, the silly takes, but it's actually sad. I watched Trump's interview with Carlson and they speak a little bit about that and the fact that he turns around says it's actually really sad and he's correct it is sad because you're watching, you're watching a man I believe he's in his 80s there are 90 year olds that are sharper than that very very sharp and you've got this guy who's going through I don't know if they're episodes I don't know what they are but it's it's some form of, dementia or deliriousness within Biden's cognitive ability to string sentences and think fast and think on his feet.[35:53] So I don't know, it's sad to go back to the point, it's really really sad to watch.
And then look at Trump, someone who's actually the most active someone of his age you'll come across, has that fight in him but no completely. Let's move over to Twitter. This was a great piece in the Babylon Bee, which I'm getting to love more and more.[36:23] And their story was, "'National Public Radio' denies being nationalist or public."'National Public Radio,' NPR, a government-supported news organization, is vehemently denying slanderous accusations that they are national and public.This false, libelous, scandalous, sickening, spurious claim that NPR is a shameful misrepresentation the facts spread by Nazi white supremacists like Elon Musk's at NPR.And obviously this is the issue of Twitter tagging a government or news organizations run by as a state media of tagging them as government media organizations and I think there was, let me, it was the BBC actually, they complained and actually that has now changed. Let me just show you this, just to show how Twitter have actually backed[37:20] down, which I hadn't realized until I delved into this. Let me just show you the BBC's Twitter account at the moment. And there you go. It is now a publicly funded media, no longer government funded media. So yeah, this I guess Elon Musk will argue he just wants to make it more transparent and I guess the BBC and government media don't necessarily want to be transparent because it won't sound like they're the media of the people.But what were your thoughts on this[37:54] Twitter spat.
 
Well, what's funny is changing it to publicly funded media. It's like, yeah, without a choice.You know what I mean? It's not a charity, you know. So really, it should go back to state media.So that's more accurate because of course, for Americans that watch us, I mean, explaining about the television license fee is baffling to an American or a Canadian or whoever that's watching that's not from the UK. The idea that we have to pay each month and that covers the BBC and our tax to actually watch television. It's insane. So yeah, the spat was extremely funny to watch. It was very amusing, especially with the interview between Musk and the reporter. It was great. It was a great bit of entertainment, better than anything the BBC have done in years. So you know, fair play to that. Of course, you know my view, I'm still a bit weary of Musk personally.I'm still, I don't really trust him, if I'm totally honest, because the idea of someone putting chips in people's brains, I mean, that's not a normal thing to want to sort of pursue. And we know about AI and how that's sort of encroaching into everyday life and he wants to accelerate that. So I'm not sure about that. But in this particular context.[39:19] This particular story, I mean, fair play. That was quality entertainment. And I think he was right to go and make sure that other platforms such as the BBC and stuff are made as state-affiliated media and things like that, because they've done it to the Russian, RT.[39:39] They've done that for a while. I mean, they even made George Galloway, a Russian sort of affiliated person just because of what he was doing with Sputnik at one point.It's unbelievable. So for him to do that and then for them to complain and have a meltdown over it was extremely entertaining. So good work is what I would say.
It was. And on the sidebar, we've got Joe Allen on a Monday, who's War Room's humanist editor, technology editor, transhuman.[40:12] And so he joins us on Monday and we delve deeper into that, looking at some of the people behind it.And you're right, I appreciate what Musk has done, but I'm extremely wary.And this, actually let me break, this is another story on Musk.And it really, obviously he's a complex character. I get that.He's a businessman that's massively successful, But this was looking at what's happening in Florida with DeSantis obviously coming down or restricting the right for children to have bits chopped off them and to be injected with hormones and to start that crazy idea that actually you can be a different gender today.And Musk's comment was, any parent or doctor who sterilizes a child before they are a consenting adult should go to prison for life. I just thought it was a[41:06] fast, and I'm intrigued by his engagement in the culture wars, although 100% with you, I, the whole AI stuff frightens me to the nth degree, but it's interesting him jumping in on the whole trans debate.
Yeah, absolutely. And when was it that a common sense sort of point became controversial?I mean, you can already see someone there, the top comment, why?What do you mean why?I know. I mean, what, you like the idea of sterilizing children?I mean, are you nuts?Yeah, it's unbelievable that a common sense sort of argument like calling for peace in between Ukraine and Russia is considered an awful view.That's considered controversial. What is going on? So it's fascinating to watch.I mean, yeah, I mean, that's pretty common sense to me.I mean, I don't see a problem with that at all. I mean, that's a normal view to have.
Yeah, it really is. And I hope that he and the weird thing is that he's one of his children has[42:08] come out as or transitioned or whatever BS happens for you to decide over your cornflakes.You want to be a different gender that week.But so he's obviously had that with his family, and yet he's willing to to speak up.So I guess kudos to him for doing that.Just before he turns us all into machines, I guess. So why not?
Yeah, at least it's some compromise or something.
It is, yes. You can be transhuman but not transgender. I could be a...I think Musk was saying he was going on, obviously he was on the BBC, and he was saying, I'm going on all the channels, I'm going on Tucker Carlson in a week, he's on the right, and then he's going on a mixture. I would love to ask him, why does he have an issue with transgender but not transhumanism?
Yeah, there you go. That would be quite a funny answer as well, I can imagine.
It would be. Well, if he agrees to an interview with us, then that'll come. So who knows?Fingers crossed.
 
Who knows?
 
On to the,[43:09] probably look at, well actually this is the only one on immigration really, but more on our failures of our court.So, outrageous decision, The Sun, Albanian gangster granted anonymity after claiming asylum in the UK to protect his security.And this, I think this is an issue with our court system.So a judge banned The Sun specifically from identifying the man who's guilty of appalling crimes including murder. So I'm not sure why.[43:45] But it shows our government, well our government and our courts are more concerned about the rights of those who perpetrate crimes than the rights of, God forbid, a British citizen to have rights to not have someone like this living next door to them.
 
Absolutely, I mean I don't know when when this has happened, when the jurisdiction favours people who have come here illegally, whether he has come here illegally, I'm not 100% sure.I mean, he's claimed asylum. So I'm assuming here, I can't of course, you know, back this up.
But yeah, because they say he arrived by boat in Britain. I assume that wasn't by a P&O ferry from France.
It would be illegally then.Right.Okay. jurisdiction is is favouring people who have come here illegally to be granted things such as anonymity when they've committed extremely horrific crimes.I don't understand. I don't understand how, what's the logic in that?[44:50] We need, I believe we need to leave the ECHR in order to get some sort of, some sort of wane into deportation and to actually start pushing back a bit more, the cruel to be kind approach because more of this is happening and if you would like to claim asylum you do it through the proper channels just not the English one and I think that's a sensible reasonable attitude to have and that's the sensible, I think, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that's the most sensible take to have. If you want to claim asylum you do it through the proper channels, you do it legally, you do it properly. France is not a war-torn country. So...
 
Well it is descending into one slowly.
 
Paris is a a war-torn city. Yes, correct. But yes, and Marseille is a war-torn city. Yes, definitely.[45:52] Monaco isn't or anything like that, but that doesn't count, does it? But yeah, so the proper way is the proper way. And I think seeing stories like that actually really does show the two-tier judicial system that we have in the UK. We hear about it a lot in the US, but the UK is just as guilty, ironically, or you know, pardon the pun.
It really is. Well, let's finish off with the final one, looking at the government and the immigration side. This again is from the Mail. Just 215 of the 45,728 Channel migrants who arrived by small boat last year were deported from the UK.Now I'm not quick enough to do my maths but that's definitely well under 1%.I'll let anyone else give me a better stat than that. And it,[46:51] it just amazes me how a so-called conservative government don't want to do anything. We've had, Home Secretaries who supposedly have been tough on law and order and yet nothing happens. But I, guess this figure doesn't really surprise you Lewis.
 
No, absolutely not. I mean we've had 13 years, I believe it's 13 years now, I've almost lost count of a Tory government and they've done absolutely nothing in terms of trying to sort this mess out.Granted, I can understand the struggles of trying to leave the EU with Europhiles trying to actually leave the EU properly and of course you're in this mess where the ECHR is of course your biggest enemy and of course these lawyers that are of course part of the European Union are of course blocking all of this. But this is what happens, this is what happens when you let pro-EU officials try and take over and try to leave the European Union, something that they love. So of course they're going to have a foot in the door still. So of course it's going to make a lot of problems in terms of sorting this issue out. Does it[48:15] surprise me? Absolutely not. No it doesn't. The reason being is because we've just seen it time and time again. We've seen the same government say the same things over and over and over again and it's just political points. It's political point scoring and Labour aren't saying anything else or anything new.So, they're two cheeks of the same arse, is how the saying goes, and neither party is not going to get anything done.So really, the person who loses in all of this is us.
 
Yeah, no completely.Let me just show the viewers some of the pictures from that, the leads, and that's obviously one of the small boats coming over.That's the RNLI, which basically act as a taxi service, really.The RNLI, Royal National Lifeboat Institute, are supposedly there to stop someone if they end up drowning because their render blew up bed on the beach somewhere on one of the beaches in the UK, but now they act as a ferry service for bringing them in.And that shows you the figures of how it is increased. that 45,000 is from last year, the 28,000 is from 2021.[49:33] And it's around 8,000 2020.So it is a steep increase year on year.But I guess, again, Lewis, the issue is our government, because I guess if you don't get turned away, then this gets encouraged.And why shouldn't you come to the UK whenever we can give you money, give you somewhere to live, and you'll never be kicked out.It's a win-win.
Exactly. Absolutely. And it's gotten to the point where it's asylum shopping, essentially.I think I've seen videos of them actually calling it that, essentially, where we give the best benefits.We give the best, we give free mobile phone, we give credit, we've give migrants, even business grants I've seen.And it's gotten to the point now where the public have just had enough.That's why you've seen lots of protests around.[50:33] And once again, it hurts the lower income, the working class and the lower classes.It always hurts with mass immigration.People are so pro the idea of minimum wage and increasing the minimum wage.Well you're not going to do that and you're not going to be able to survive if you keep, having an influx of mass immigration.It's just not going to work. So it's very counterintuitive having both of those. So[51:02] you now have to pick one now. And the NHS, you have to pick now. Do you want the NHS?[51:07] Or do you want mass immigration? Take your pick. Because you can't have both. You really cannot have both. So it's gotten to that point now where the public have had enough and the public want to see some action. Are we going to see it? I don't think so, personally. I mean, it's been empty promises since the beginning. And like I said, it's only going to hurt people with lower incomes, the working class and the lot. So....
 
Exactly. Let me, I saw someone was giving me, there's mega maga in a national political, a national political and something, sorry, I can't get your full tag because it doesn't come up. And they're telling me it's 0.004%, 4.7 hundreds of 1%.Percent. So 215 isn't much. I think that's basically what we're saying. Lewis, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts on the stories. So thank you.
 
Thank you very much Peter for having me on. It's been a pleasure.
 
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We all do.
 
Yeah. So we'll figure it out at some point.[52:52] We'll figure it out. But in the meantime, the viewers and listeners can make sure and follow Lewis. So to everyone watching, thank you for tuning in. As I said, we are with you on Monday with Joe Allen looking at the rise of AI, AGI, Advanced General Intelligence, and where that is taking us. So for a darkish episode, tune in to Joe Allen on Monday. But everyone else, wish you wonderful rest of your weekend. Enjoy your rest of your Saturday, enjoy your Sunday, however you're watching, wherever you're watching, great to have you with us and we'll see you back on Monday.So thank you and good night to you all.

Dwight Schultz - Being a Conservative in Hollywood

I dreamt of being a pilot as a child and grew up watching The A-Team and my favourite character was 'Howling Mad Murdock' played by Dwight Schultz. I was obsessed with aircraft so he was the one I wanted to be as his character could fly any plane or helicopter that he had to. Years later I saw him with Jamie Glazov and Anni Cyrus on 'The Glazov Gang' and was intrigued at his strong Conservative Christian stance while delivering common sense commentary. This is the first interview he has done for many years so it truly is an honour to have Dwight join Hearts of Oak on this audio only discussion. (he is the voice king) We talk about those early days treading the boards in the theatre and as a star in Hollywood, working on the biggest TV programme in the world and Dwight shares some stories of how his strong conservative stance got him into much hot water. He truly is a breath of fresh air in an increasingly demonic industry that opposes truth at every turn and mocks all who have a Christian Faith or Conservative Values.(*Peter takes to the skies regularly and has held a pilots licence for many years)A respected performer on Broadway, Dwight Schultz found everlasting fame by playing the certifiable "Howling Mad" Murdock on the action series "The A-Team" (1983-86). A living, breathing cartoon with a seemingly endless selection of voices and accents at his command, Murdock provided the air power for the A-Team's clandestine adventures, provided that his compatriots could break him out of the mental hospital where he resided. One of the show's most popular and memorable figures, Murdock ensured Schultz steady work on television and on the big screen playing Reginald Barclay in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" An accomplished voice actor, Dwight can be heard in numerous hit computer games and in countless animated shows.Interview recorded 21.3.23
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TRANSCRIPT
[0:22] Hello Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Dwight Schultz, Howling Mad Murdock from the A-Team.He came in on a audio. Dwight hasn't done interviews for years.I was absolutely delighted to have him on when you talk to one of your childhood heroes who you grew up watching him in A-Team.And he was my favourite simply because he was a pilot. And I always wanted to grow up and that's what I wanted to grow up to be.But I'm talking to him about being a conservative, being a Christian in the industry, in Hollywood, in the movie industry. And actually we delve more deeply into his Christian faith, Roman Catholic background, and what it means for him to be a Christian in that industry where you're pulled every way and where your faith is ridiculed, mocked, and everything stands against that. So great conversation about some of his experiences and what it is to be a Christian and to be a conservative in the industry. We talk about his voiceovers, I mean his voice is legendary. Talk about that and why he stepped away from doing kind of in front of a camera in 2001, why that was, and all the voiceover and then I think 100 video games, his voice is in a whole other world, a whole other industry. So, I know you will enjoy listening to Dwight as much as I enjoyed speaking with him.[1:48] It is wonderful to have Dwight Schultz with us today. Dwight, thank you so much for joining us.[1:54] Oh, it's my pleasure, Peter, for my reintroduction to the world of podcasting, radio, television.
 
Well, this is something I've only been doing three years, So I know you have much more experience back in the day, but we'll get into some of that.And obviously I...Remember you fondly growing up. I think I was six when The A Team first came out, which is now 40 years ago.I'm sure I didn't want it when I was six. But your role obviously is as Howling Mad Murdock.So we can take just a little bit memory lane before we go into and talk about actually being a conservative in the industry and what that is like.But I mean, it ran for five seasons, 83 to think 87.Do you just want to let us know how you actually ended up in that role?
Well, actually, it actually only went four seasons, real seasons, so it's not technically considered a success. That's true. I ended up in that role because I made a comedy tape at the Williamstown Theatre Festival around 1979, 1980.[3:18] Somewhere in there. And the comedy tape, and for two years, I didn't hear anything.And then suddenly I started getting calls from my agent to audition and to go to Los Angeles to audition.and it was because of this comedy tape.And I found out it had been making the rounds for two years and eventually Steve Cannell and Frank Lupo, his co-writer saw it and requested me to come.Joel Thurm, who was the vice president of NBC at the time, however, he had different ideas about this character.And anyway, I went in and they flew me out to Los Angeles.[4:03] And my wife was out here. She wasn't my wife at the time, but I had been dating her since 79.And she was out here living in Los Angeles, which was difficult.I mean, I was glad to come out here for any reason. And I had never.It was a joy, but I came in and I auditioned and it was a total flop. It was a bomb.I mean, you walk into a small room with 25 people, 30 people, and there was not a single laugh.There was nothing. There was no... And then they sent me out and they sent the director, Rod Holcomb, out with me to talk to me. I came back in, I did the same audition, And everybody was laughing and I had no idea why they were laughing now.And they weren't laughing before, unless someone said laugh when he comes back.You know, that's the way it was. It was just an astonishing thing.And they said, you got the part.[5:02] And then, uh, and this is the, really, this is the nub, right?So, uh, I, they shoot in Mexico and I went down to Mexico.And when we were down there, I was fired.I was fired. I was fired. Rod Holcomb came into my little room and he said, I'm afraid it's not going to work out.And I said, oh, what? He said, it's not Steven. It's not Frank.It's the would-be's at NBC. They just don't think you're quite right for it.And so they took me out of my little room and they put me in with a stuntman who I loved.I just loved him. I mean, it was incredible to work with these guys.And so there I was with the stuntmen for the rest of the shoot down in Mexico.And when we came back to the States, they were editing it and putting it together as we were shooting it, right?[5:58] I got a call from my agent said your dials were great. I said, what are you talking about?I had no idea what they were talking about.This is 82, right?This is 1980. I don't know what you're talking about. He said the dials, the dials, the testing.The audience loved you. You're the best dials that anybody had.So I was written back in.I was rehired before I was fired. And so you can't make this stuff up in life. You can't.So it just turns out that they had a different view of what this character should be like.And I had another view.And Stephen Cannell and Frank Lupo were in my camp.And so they had to write me back into the first five episodes, which they had kind of written me out of. And that's the way it started. And I was,[7:04] as anybody would be, you know, I got to work with some of the finest old actors[7:12] that I had grown up with in the 50s and 60s. And it was a thrill. The four years were a thrill.I mean, it was an absolute thrill. And I got along beautifully with everybody. And Stephen J. Cannell[7:24] was a conservative. I mean, I'm lucky. I'm fortunate there. I was fortunate because some of my other experiences were not so fortunate, working with people who knew I was a conservative and weren't going to have a conservative on their show. That was the way it started back then.But anyway, so it was four years of, we didn't really have a studio.We were working on locations and I got along famously with everybody.And it was a joy. It was four, believe me, it changed my life completely and totally.I never thought I would end up in Los Angeles and never leave.
Well, what was I mean, it's intense, I guess, that you're living and breathing it.And most people, I have no idea what that's like. Most people go to a job and they go home, but you're there nonstop.What's that kind of intensity, especially for years with it's the same people?
It's the same people. But listen, as an actor, I mean, I've been working I've been working professionally since nineteen sixty nine.This gig, it's over 50 years. Right. So I had, I have before the 18, I never knewwhat my next job was ever. I never knew what I was doing next. And after the 18, I never have known[8:50] what I'm going to do next. I've never had a consistent job other than those four years.And I thank God for them every night. I hoped it would go longer, but this was not the intention, nor the background of Stephen J Cannell. His shows were two years, three years. And then they name of every single writer that we had in the first year moved on to their own series.They all became producers. And this is not the way you have a successful series for an, actor, which is selfish, right? You want to go at least five years, seven years. But they all, you have to have somebody there who is consistently behind it, pushing it, making sure everything is the way it's supposed to be. But that was not the way it was. But I did everything that you can possibly imagine, I think, on that show.And as the 14-hour days, 15-hour day, I loved it because I knew that there was going to be an ending.I knew the day I started that there was going to be a last day.And so and I think that's the way life is, actually.[10:02] And so take advantage of what you have and enjoy it and hope for the best.But I savour it every minute and I look back very fondly.
When you say it wasn't a success, I remember thinking this is the biggest thing ever.This is phenomenal. I watched it as a kid growing up. So it did seem to be the kind of TV show that you would watch. I mean, the only other one I remember at the same time was I think Knight Rider at the same time, but they were the shows to watch.
 
Yes, they were. But you see, we were on NBC, Grant Tinker and Brandon Tartikoff, and their moniker was quality programming. And Grant Tinker, and well, Tartikoff gave an interview for the New York Times, right? This is not an example of our quality program, right? Really, this is it. That's what he said. You know, their ideas was Hill Street Blues, which they had on.This was their idea of quality programming, not this schlock that's number one.[11:12] This is not it. And I sent Grant Tinker a telegram and George Peppard said, don't do it, pal.Don't do it. Don't do it, Peppard said to me.I sent it to him and I said, this is third rate executive ship.I said, we do the best work we can and we're number one, why are you doing this to us?And then he sent me a telegram back, which I have kept, saying, well, you're assuming that that was true, what you read.And I said, well, I checked with the writer, the journalist, quote unquote, who he said, he talked to you and this is what you said. And indeed he did.And this is a tag to all of this.He, after the show was over, it was cancelled, several years afterwards, I have received a phone call from his assistant saying[12:13] Brandon wants to talk to you. And I said, sure, I'll talk to him.And I met with him in this basement office, 20th Century Fox.And I walked in and there was nobody there but Brandon Tartikoff sitting at a table and he apologized to me.[12:31] His daughter had been in a very serious accident and it changed his life.It was one of these things. And he apologized to me.I'll never forget it. And this does not happen in show business. It does not happen.And I said, thank you. Thank you so much for that.I said, and then I went into my spiel about being an actor. And that I, you know, you do the best job you can, whether you're doing Shakespeare, whether you're doing a show, or whether you're doing The A-Team.You do the best job you can. It is the same job if you're good and you love your work.It doesn't matter. You do the best thing, the best you put. You're not walking through it.I said, that's what we were doing. And we happened to be number one.And why did you rain on the parade? You know, I asked him and he gave me some explanations as to the the exigencies at the top of a TV network.And I, so at any rate, that that that's the experience. That's the beginning and end of that experience, really.[13:43] And I carry with me.
 
How did you cope with that fame? And you were what, 30, 32, so you weren't young, young.But still, when you're thrust into that level of publicity, how did that affect you personally and how did you cope with that?
Well, you know, I was fortunate that I was working since I had been working since 69.I spent 13 years in regional theatre.I spent years in New York, three Broadway plays.I had a lot of experience.[14:17] Really, they walk in the boards, doing all the grunt work, getting there.And I, fame was not a, I was known and all my interests in theatre were to be, this is a joke actually, but never the same actor twice.I mean, that's it. You didn't want to do the same thing.And here I was, and I forced the idea that this actor, this character would be different in each episode, which the vice president of NBC said, that's the way you comb your hair differently.You should be the same. We want you to be polite on this.And I said, no, no, no, no, no, I don't wanna do that.I wanna be different in every show. And so I maintained, I think, because of the work that I had had.When you do the classics, when you're in, and I don't mean this, when you have the great opportunity to play a Shakespearean role.[15:22] You understand something about talent, about what goes into writing, brilliant writing, and then schlock writing.I mean, you see it all. And when you've been given that opportunity, There's a humility that hits you.So fame was never something that I wanted.I wanted to be able to – and I've had this ability. I've been able to go to a department store or take my daughter to a mall and not be recognized, which is – I'm telling you, I have worked with – I mean, I worked with Paul Newman and Paul Newman was, it was not a, he, he told me he couldn't go anywhere.He was a prisoner of his fame.[16:12] George Peppard was a prisoner of his fame. I mean, the closest I think I've ever gotten was somebody said, your voice sounds familiar, do you know my brother?I'll say, no, I don't know your brother.Then every once in a while, somebody recognizes you, but it's a curse.[16:33] It is a curse, really. If you have a family, if you want a family life, if you want privacy, which I think is necessary for survival in this business.I mean, I've seen a lot of actors drop to their knees and open cardboard tubes and pull drugs out.You know, and that's fame. And you ask them, that's it, it's driven.You know, you gotta have that fame, you gotta have that fame, you gotta.And it's not what I wanted. I really am a repertory actor, that's it.I'm a repertory actor. I spent one year in Houston, at the Alley Theatre in Houston, and it was one of the greatest years I've ever had.And I never wanted to leave. And someone told me, that's why you have to leave.I would have stayed there.I could have stayed there. But my agents all told me, you have to leave.You can't stay here, or your career will be over.And I said, but I love this. And they said, you won't love it when it dries up there.You know, you have to go to a bigger, a bigger yard in essence.But I'm really a repertory actor. That's it.[17:47] Your last I think your last TV role was 2001.I will get into the voice side later, but your last 2001. Why did, why did it end there?Was a personal experience? Was it just choice?
Oh, yeah. No, it was a really a personal experience.It was CIA. 2001 was...[18:17] I went in for wardrobe fitting, and we were at the Memorial Cemetery, Veterans Cemetery down in Wilshire Boulevard, and that's where it was being shot. And I walked in, and this is nothing, I won't mention the name, I shouldn't have even said what the show was. Just someone in the wardrobe room.We were talking about 9-11. We were talking about what had happened in New York. I had a lot of friends in New York, of course, obviously. And she said, I don't have any connection to that. I don't know why everybody – I just don't have any connection to it, you know? She still connects? And she rubbed it off, you know? And I said, I mean, life was – rules were at that point not easy to come by, actually. And I said I can't do this, you know, I can't work.This to me was a sign, a sign from God.I'm not joking. You look for these things. This was a sign that this was the wave of the future.There was going to be a lot of denial and there was going to be, and it's complicated. I mean, I'm not judging anybody.[19:43] But for me, I had an opportunity to move into another direction, and I decided to do the other direction because I could be anybody, anything in voiceover work. Video games were just becoming big at the time, and the whole business was very big. And voice work was something that, as an actor in the theatre, I always did.If I couldn't find the voice of the character, I couldn't find the character. And so that was it.I mean, the fates came together at that time.And I was doing radio at the time on a fairly regular basis with a friend named Don Ecker.And I just moved in that direction.[20:36] I mean, there were opportunities there, but I knew things had changed at that point.
Yeah, well, we'll get into that. I want to pick on being a conservative in the, the movie and TV industry, and that seems to be opposites.We've seen more and more, and I think it probably gets worse.And you're Roman Catholic, you're conservative. And what has been your experiences having a faith and also having a conservative belief?How does that fit into the showbiz industry? What has it been like for you?
Well, going back, if you look at,[21:23] if you look at the world that we're in today, the Judeo-Christian world, which is, and I have to say if I have one criticism of modern Christianity prior to today, and I mean going back, because there's a lot of things I could say about today, which we will, I'm sure.But one of the things which always struck me me was about Christians, was their antipathy for the Old Testament, the Torah. It is Judeo-Christianity, and if a Christian doesn't understand that the Old Testament is their testament, there's, a problem. And they don't, indeed. In Bible study, the number of times that I heard Christians say oh, that's not my God. I want to get out of this. I want to get to my God. Well, that's two gods.[22:24] I mean, there is the Trinity, which is three gods in one, right? I mean, we do have that mystery, but we are monotheistic. And Christ's Old Testament was his Old Testament. He was here to fulfil the Old Testament. This is what he said, that it is the Father. You're speaking of your father. This is Christ's father and the Torah, the law as it was laid down is your law.It went on to the New Testament.[22:58] You know, and Catholics, I mean, I was raised a Catholic, and when I found out that it wasn't, thou shalt not kill, but thou shalt not murder, you know, the wheels begin to turn, and you try to think as best you can about these things. But there was a disconnect between the Old Testament in the New Testament. But that has to do with my criticism of my own faith. In motion pictures in the film industry, it was under attack, as it is today.Christianity is—and Judeo-Christian ethic, the West, everything that has been built through the Judeo-Christian ethic is under attack and they want to destroy it.[23:55] And basically at the very front of that is the communist wagon, and it always has been. And you can go back to 1918 or whatever and read about it, and they tried every which way from Sunday to do it, and they always failed, and now they've found another way of doing it. And they have succeeded by going after our children when we didn't know they were going after our children.But as Christians, we're pretending that it wasn't important to be mothers and fathers and the nuclear family really wasn't that important.Well, then why were they trying to destroy it? And why has it been number one?[24:35] Because and I'm going to say something else here in a second, which I'm pointing to, there's a quote.This is the technique that they have used, and you didn't know it, but you felt it all along.You felt this, but you didn't know it.[24:57] A quote by, it's attributed to Oscar Wilde. And I think it is his, I don't think, I don't think, I think it is his quote.And it is pithy and accurate and brilliant and beyond belief descriptive of everything.Everything in the world is about sex, except sex.Sex is about power. And boy, when I read that, I said, is this, did he really say this?Is it? And it hit me from every direction.The entertainment business in every which way is about sex. Novels, books, television, commercials, life itself, clothes, it's all about sex.And it goes back to God's edict to humanity.[25:56] Go forth and multiply. This is the power of procreation, is sharing in the power of creation.That power was given to all of us.We don't know, I mean, people have talked about it, but you don't, we don't know where that came from, except from God.And it is something to, what do we do with these gifts? Do we throw them away?Or do we say these are precious?[26:30] And you see by the people that you meet, those who recognize the gift and those who don't recognize the gift. And you are asked not to recognize it on a daily basis.And as a child, if you think back to your childhood when sexual urges, whether you're—and of course, I can't tell you what a woman goes through, but I can only tell you what a kid goes through—boy, when you're going through puberty, the whistles and gongs are going off, and you're you're having dreams at night and you can't stop it.[27:03] Everything is at the wrong moment and you're not purposefully thinking about it, but it's a force to be reckoned with.And you understand it as you grow older that this force is to bring you to someone else, to love, to have a family and to create the next generation and then everything changes after that.If you can contemplate that greatness, that extraordinary thing, and realize that the world seems to want to distort it, well, you realize the powers that are set up against Judeo-Christianity.And who say, we don't want the Ten Commandments, we don't want that Old Testament rag, we want freedom, free, and of course I went through that in the 60s and 70s in school, and I saw it.I mean, I was part of it in that it bounced off of me at every moment.And being a Christian, you stay in it.[28:10] I stayed in my Christianity. This is another tale.When I got to school, to college, I mean, I had 12 years of Christian education, right?I wanted to be an actor and I went to Towson University, which had a great theatre program.And it was the first time that I was in a purely secular environment.The thing that killed me was that everybody hated their parents.Everybody hated their parents. I mean, nobody wanted to, nobody had a good thing, I loved my parents.And I used to say, I used to have a long bus ride home and I used to sit in the bus looking out the window saying, why do I love my parents and I can't find somebody who loves their parents? What is that?Well, I can't say that I answered the question, but the answer was in the destruction of the family.[29:10] It was in the destruction, and it had started then. Not my mother and father.And then here's the next aspect, and I think that this plays a very big part in all the trouble we're having today.I never wanted to do something that shamed my parents, that they would be ashamed of. I felt shame. I still do. I feel shame. It was given to me by my mother and my father. Now, none of us are perfect. I know my mother wasn't perfect, my father wasn't perfect. I'm not perfect, but I feel shame and shame is rare.Now, look, I was listening to your podcast[29:58] with Father Calvin Robinson. Right.
 
Goodness, you make me blush.
No, no. And no, but he said something.He said he said something aboutdrag queens in the sanctuary.[30:19] I mean, we're talking about there's no shame if you do that.Before, shortly after, I guess we communicated, I went to here in Los Angeles, I went to the Church of the Nazarene in Pasadena, and I saw two, I don't know if you know these individuals, Dennis Prager, do you know Dennis Prager? Dennis is a Jewish scholar. I've been following him since since 1982, when I came to Los Angeles.He had a program called Religion on the Line, one of the great minds and thinkers of all time.In fact, many times after listening to him, I would say to myself, I'm a Jew.That's what I am, I'm a Jew.[31:05] And then there's Eric Metaxas, who is a Christian writer, thinker, and these two were in a program, an evening called ask a Gentile, Ask a Jew. And it was a great evening, two hours of just two brilliant people talking about the state of religion. What was the final outcome, sad outcome of the evening? Metaxas and Prager both came to the conclusion that we, organized religion, has failed us. It has failed us. The churches and the synagogues have failed us. They have not stepped up to defend their own dogma, their own beliefs. And we are left flailing, individuals almost.And we are struggling to connect, which is what you and I are doing right now.[32:08] I was dumbfounded by that, but at the same time, that's what I'm thinking.That's what I've been thinking for quite some time.And all of these things, you know, we are under attack from every direction.And in your own mind, what do you do? Do you throw it away? Do you say, well maybe I'm thinking the wrong thing.No, no, no, that is not the case.Because when you think about why our children,[32:47] and if you've seen this now, why our children are being told that they don't know what their sex is, Metaxas brought this up in the evening that this is one of those key cardinal points. You can see.This is a perversion of reality, because you know what the truth is.If you have a Supreme Court justice, as we do in the United States, who says, I can't define a woman, and that children, 10 year old children, 11 and 12 year old children, secretly, don't tell your parents the hallmark of a lie.Keep it secret.Don't tell anybody. Don't even tell yourself.[33:26] You know the hallmark of concealment, consciousness of guilt, everything that you know is, they are trying to tell you you know nothing and everything you know is not to be believed, but they are to be believed.That children, there are not boys and girls, that men can give birth, that there are, you know, these things that we, it's incomprehensible what's going on and it's all to destroy right from wrong.
Well, that's because it's kind of, I look at it a different way.One is the difficulty of living in a society where evil is slightly different, where it's a slippery slope and it may be difficult to distinguish what you believe with something that's slightly different.But we see such a chasm now between what is true, what is right, and the collapse and degradation of society.So in theory, that means it is easier to be a Christian because it's easy to be distinct, because what you face is the opposite of what you believe.And and that's why it's curious and interesting to see churches going down this line whenever there's,[34:38] there's no question of what we see is the opposite of what is written in scripture.
Oh, there's no question.You know what you're saying?You can be crushed. You know, you can be crushed at the same time.You have to deny so many things to accept what's going on.And yet you say to yourself, how do I stop it?The war that's going on in Europe at this moment. And this is why I love Bannon.I mean, I just, I adore him. I never got to, I would not, and I'll say this, Andrew Breitbart brought me out of the closet politically, really politically.I was doing a lot of things, but saying a lot of things that were in the basket, but he truly brought me out.
 
When was this?
When was this? .This is a through also through Gary Sinise and friends of Abe.[35:48] Boy, this is this is in the, I have to say nine. I'd say 2000 to 2005,2006.By 2008, yeah, I have to say around 2005, 2006.[36:09] I was like a Jew wandering in the desert alone and wondering where God was.And a friend of mine who I worked with on Fat Man and Little Boy, a film about making the atomic bomb, called me up, his wife was a casting director, and he said, you know there are conservatives just like yourself who get together on a regular basis.I said, no, I did not know that. He said, would you like to go to a meeting?I said, I would love to go to a meeting of other people.I went and it was Gary Sinise and Andrew Breitbart, and a lot of other extraordinary people who were all, and this is it, seeking, trying to make connections.And so Andrew said, you have to become public.He had big Hollywood and big, you know, all of, he had all of these big websites.And he asked me to write an article.[37:09] He heard me in private describe a situation that I was in, in which I was at the Williamstown Theatre Festival.I had just come back from working with Charlton Heston and I had a long discussion, which was just a wonderful discussion in the hallway at the Amundsen Theatre about Ronald Reagan becoming president, right? And this individual who was a big producer in Hollywood overheard me talking about Ronald Reagan, and he said, Oh, so you're a Reagan a-hole, you know?[37:58] And yeah, that's right. That's right. And I was, I got to tell you, I mean, this was a big guy at the theatre too, that I was working,and I went cold.I went cold. I said, yes. I said, you know, not as a, you know, and I pulled back.I was, you know, he was attacking me, obviously, with his language.And I was shocked. I was totally numbed.And I didn't want to continue with this discussion, because otherwise there would have been a blowout.But that was how in 78, 80, I understood that there was this chasm there.And[38:51] it only got worse as time went on. As I said, fortunate, it is not a zero-sum game.Fortunate there was for me, and I did have an audition for this producer.There was a writer there and a brilliant writer. We had a fallout, but he's just an extraordinary writer.His name is Tom Fontana. He wrote some very, it was St. Elsewhere, producer, writer for St. Elsewhere, The Wire, many wonderful programs.And he did not know about this problem that I had and invited me to read for a part called Fiscus in St. Elsewhere. And I walked in and there was this producer[39:37] who has passed away since now. And Breitbart wanted me to write about him.And I did, and I regretted it, but I don't regret it.But anyway, so I walked in and he was there and he said, oh, what are you doing here?And to this audition, and I said, I'm here to read for the part of Fiskars.He said, it's not gonna be a Reagan blank hole on my show.So you know what that audition was like, right? You know, I mean, and I walked out and I just, I said, God, is this going to be it?You know, is this the way it's gonna be?And at any rate, so, but I finally did write this article about him and I lost a lot of friends for writing it.And then at the same time, and I was one of the first actors for Breitbart to use my name.This was what he wanted because a lot of pseudonyms, writing for Big Hollywood, And which I understand, please, I did not do this, I did this[40:40] for personal reasons, but not because I'm brave or anything of that nature.I just was at the point where I was going to tell the truth.This is the way it's done. And you are excluded on a cocktail napkin.And that cocktail napkin is sent around to other producers and you're excluded.It is not a zero sum game because there was Stephen J Cannell and he hired me.[41:03] But the majority of people will not, unless, of course, you bring in 30 or 40 million dollars over a weekend.And then they'll hire you. But the attack on Judeo-Christianity, the attack on conservatism, which is a hallmark of Judeo-Christianity, is now at its height. It's never been greater than it is today.
Well can I, you're obviously being a Christian, being a conservative within an industry within the workplace, but then you had your podcast, then you're doing, you mentioned Breitbart on the Glazov Gang, that's something different. You're stepping outside and actually you're much more public. I mean was that a conscious decision to actually begin to use radio, use the internet, use TV and speak of these issues as a Christian and conservative.
Yes, absolutely. And the reason for that was I, you know, if you're,[42:13] make a point, like I would not, as Murdock from The A-Team, go out and evangelize.I wouldn't go out as Murdock from The A-Team, vote for.Right?[42:34] You're taking something that is not related and you're trying to use it to get somewhere.Where it's not as, to me, as honest as separating yourself out, creating a podcast, creating another world.This is where I talk politics. This is where I talk my personal life, my personal beliefs. This is where I do it.And so you come to me and then we go out from there. And I associate with people who talk about religion, and I associate with people who talk about politics, and I talk it there in that realm.[43:19] There's obviously a mixture. You can't divorce yourself from who you are and what you've done, and I don't.But I've never hidden my religion. I've never hidden my Christianity, as some people do.That's not the way to do it either.Yes, I am a Christian. I'm a Judeo-Christian.I believe in the Old Testament and the New Testament. And it's, for me, not a contradiction in terms.And so I express it that way. I express it here on my own podcast when I had it.And if ever anybody wanted to talk about it, I was willing to do it.And I attended every event, and with Jamie and[44:10] the lovely Anni Cyrus, that was just wonderful. That was absolutely wonderful.I went to a David Horowitz retreat, where I met Jamie.I had the great fortune, an opportunity to speak at a Freedom Concert event.Many of my public heroes were there from various political websites.And I got to meet them. And that's where I met Jamie. And he invited me on to engage with him on his program, the Glazov Gang. It's so funny. But, you know, and I met just so many fabulous people. And there are so many things right now, which I see things now and can talk about things that I couldn't prior to coming out with Andrew. And that, of course, is Bannon's big thing, Andrew.Andrew, I mean, he's – and Andrew changed – just brought the world together. I mean, his vision, his understanding of what was really going on was unique.And he was right into – he was dead on about everything. And I still don't agree with most of his friends.[45:38] I have very dark feelings about what happened to Andrew, even though I know he had a heart problem.But when the, I mean, you know what I'm talking about. I don't want to get into that aside, but I know the darkness that's out there and a voice like his had to be stopped.And they don't stop at anything. They don't. And we have now been witness to it in the United States for five or six years. Nothing stops them. Nothing. And they will lie to your face.They do not care because they are the voice of something that is dark.
[46:20] That's not a knife you feel in your back. That's me scratching it. Oh, but I feel blood. No, that's not blood. You know, that's it. That's it.
Can I finish off with your voice? Now, it is always wonderful to have a guest coming on and the sound is absolutely beautiful, crystal clear.You're coming through. Obviously, your voice is your how you make your your living now.And you've you've moved away from being kind of front of the camera to doing voice. Tell us what that is like, because it means you talked about fame and that means you're not recognized. It is your voice. And I remember watching, you were the one who, again, using your voice in all different ways, even back as in The A Team. But tell us about, how that works in the industry.
 
Well, in the industry, it doesn't. You have to be very fortunate. One of the first casting directors I ever met was Sylvia Gold, was her name.And she met with me, my first agent introduced me to her, and she said.[47:36] Oh, darling, she said, you don't understand. No one wants to hear that stuff.That's in the theatre. They want to hear you. They want to hear your voice.It's your voice that's important. And I said, no, it's not. I said, that's not what it's not.You know, I'm a vampire. I'm a thief. I listen to other people. I'm a mathematical idiot.And God gave me this ability to hear people's voices. And I said, I remember being seven years old.I was about seven years old, and I remember the first impression I ever did, which was, James Mason in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, he had a line, it was, I am dying now, and the Nautilus is dying with me, present as him. And I said this out loud to myself, I am dying now, and the Nautilus is dying with me. And the more I did it, the closer I got.And I would spend time, and I became an Anglophile, and I started listening to Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole, and I found that if I put headphones on, their voice came from the middle of my head, and I could steal from them.I could do impressions of their voice, and even if it wasn't perfect.[48:52] It became another voice, another character.And I began to identify with my relatives that way. I started doing impressions of my relatives and they did not like it.And I started doing impressions of my teachers at school and the kids liked it, but the teachers didn't like it if they heard it.And that's how it started. And I just had an ear for people's voices and dialects in the United States.And that's it. And in terms of, well, if I'm coming across crystal clear, That's because somebody recommended this microphone, the Heil PR-40, which is a dynamic microphone.Most people are wedded to very expensive condenser mics. But this is a rejection, it's a cardioid.People can open the door and come into the room and you won't hear it, you'll just hear me.Art Bell used this mic and he was always extolling the virtues of this mic, and I listened to him.And so, you know, and it's inexpensive, comparatively speaking, so it's available.[50:04] And so I, but I have spent years studying and recording people's voices and listening to them and trying to reproduce them.And one of the great thrills in my life was, I was, I knew somebody who was intimately involved with Laurence Olivier.[50:29] Peter Shaffer, and he wrote Amadeus, right? And he was just an absolutely spectacular man.And he gave me the play Amadeus to read before it was on Broadway and in Great Britain.And he was just a sweetheart of all sweethearts anyway. So I went into a bathroom and I did my impression of Olivier doing the Othello chamber scene.And I gave it to someone who was with Peter and asked them to listen to it to see if I caught any of it.And he said, this friend said, Shaffer listened to it and said, well, he said if Larry was very, very sick.But it was, you know, it was one of those, I, God, to have, you know, I, I, I think I listened, I don't know, I can't, I can't repeat anything that I've ever done myself, but I, I think I listened to the chamber scene from Othello, Olivier's Othelloa thousand times. And that's how you learn when you're a young kid. That's how you learn.And you say, oh, my God, every comma. I followed it along, and he followed the text.[51:49] Amazingly, he followed the text and was dead on. And those are the kinds of things that I became very attuned to people's voices, and recorded them.And I have a lot of recordings and sometimes I still listen to Burton's Hamlet.And Gielgud, of course, directed it.[52:21] And it was considered a disaster on Broadway, but there's some great, there's just to capture, it is a miracle that I can sit here and listen to people who have passed away as if they're in my room.It is, it is a miracle, a technical miracle, but a miracle, or listening to the great choruses, motion picture choruses from 1958 and 60, and I listen to these grand voices, and I say, most of these people are not here now, But I'm listening to them and I get emotional about it.So anyway...
 
You've also embraced just finally about. I think I looked through and you've done the voice for like 100 video games.Well, yeah, I guess that's just if you're you're good at something, then that can be used across different, different industries.
Oh, exactly. and video games are bigger than motion pictures now.And the hardest thing I was ever asked to do, and we were asked to do this periodically, you know, these great actors, right?[53:31] Sir Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, right? Those two individuals.Do impressions of both of them, to do them in the same thing.They were in X-Men, right?So I can't do them because they're so close. And you just do.You're asked to do it. They can't make it to do a pickup, right?So they ask an actor to come in and do a line, half a line.That's it.I can't do Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart at the same time.But I can't. I can't do it because they're too close. And yet they're different. But I have not been able to.I mean, you know, you in Ian McKellen with Bilbo Baggins, you know, he's called the essence.[54:19] Patrick is done it. Patrick is down there, too. But I can't do them together. I cannot do them together.I have to do them separately.And Patrick is he was a delight, by the way.Very liberal, very liberal. But one of the great things about Star Trek is my greatest experience that I've had in Hollywood, because there was little to no politics on that set, and everybody was a delight to work with.Everyone, absolutely everyone. And walking around on the great Paramount lot was a thrill.Anyway, sorry, I'm getting side-lined.I loved all those people. I did. I really did.
Dwight, I so appreciate you coming on. It's absolutely wonderful to speak with you and hear about your experiences in the industry.So we really do appreciate your time today.
 
Well, it's my pleasure and I am very grateful.It's been a long time since I've done anything like this.
 
Oh, maybe it'll become more regular.
Well, thank you, Peter.
 
Thank you so much, Dwight. Thank you.
 
Bye-bye.

Miranda Devine - Laptop from Hell: Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide

We are delighted to welcome journalist and best selling author, Miranda Devine.Miranda has written the most intriguing, absorbing, funny and comprehensive book on Hunter Biden's laptop in just 200 pages. We have touched on this subject a couple of times with Phelim Mcaleer who directed the movie 'My Son Hunter' and with Garrett Ziegler from MarcoPolo USA, but by writing a bestselling book on this topic, she has brought this sorry tale of addiction, greed and corruption to the wider world. As a journalist she shares what first brought the now infamous laptop to her attention and why she had to write this book. So join us this episode for Mirandas insights as we take a deep dive into why the Biden Crime Family affects us all.Miranda Devine is a New York Post columnist and Fox News contributor. She also works for the Australian media as a Daily Telegraph columnist and a Sky News contributor. Born in Queens, New York, she grew up in Tokyo and Sydney, and attended North-western University in Chicago. A reformed mathematician and mother of two, she lives in New York with her husband.'Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide' available in paperback, e-book or on audiobook https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-President/dp/1637584857/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=miranda+devine+laptop+from+hell&sr=8-1 Follow Miranda on social media...TWITTER https://twitter.com/mirandadevine?s=20GETTR https://gettr.com/user/mirandadevineTRUTH https://truthsocial.com/@mirandadevineInterview recorded 4.4.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Miranda Devine, the journalist who wrote Laptop from Hell, Hunter Biden.And I had the fascinating privilege of hearing Miranda speak at a conference in February.She was the keynote speaker there. And I immediately got hold of the book.I'd followed the work she had done, read it cover to cover, fascinating, short book.And I know we've delved into this topic before. Miranda brings, again, everyone brings something unique, something fresh and I know you will enjoy listening to her. She unpacks not only Hunter Biden's lifestyle, his lifestyle of drugs, alcohol and sex addiction, which is a sorry, sorry tale, although it is quite comical the book at the beginning and I find myself laughing. I don't know whether I should have been.Through the early parts as she writes a tale and tells a tale, a sorry tale, a sad tale of a chaotic lifestyle financed by Joe Biden. And then we go into that corruption side and how Joe Biden is very much part of that and the Biden name is used for corruption for financial deals across the world with multiple companies. So join us as Miranda delves into the dark world of Hunter Biden and the corrupt world of his father Joe Biden.
 
It is an absolute delight to have Miranda Devine with us today. Miranda thank you for your time today.
Thanks for having me, Peter.[1:47] Not at all. I had the pleasure of seeing you in CPAC and also in Miami a month earlier.So it's absolutely wonderful.And we have touched on Hunter Biden before. We have had Phelim McAleer before.And we so we've looked at a little bit before, but I've had great fun reading through the laptop from hell.I will get into that. Your handle @MirandaDivine.There is your Twitter handle and all the links to the book and everything else are in the description.[2:20] Now I think in the intro you say that a month before the 2020 election, I think it was you talked about Rudy Giuliani emailing you with info from the Hunter Biden laptop. Was that your dissent into Hunter Biden's world?
 
Yes it was. It was actually Rudy Giuliani's lawyer at the time, Bob Costello and he texted me some just a few choice grabs from the laptop and he said it was late at night I think a Friday night and he said I'm just sending you this so you know that it's legitimate and let's talk. This is you know he'd spent the past since the end of August this was now, the beginning of October, he'd spent all that time just verifying as best he could that this was real, that the laptop repair shop owner who had sent him the material, sent him the hard drive[3:24] was a legitimate person, and he was satisfied to the extent that he felt that he could approach the New York Post. And so I guess that was the beginning of it and of course, you know, when we published, I mean it was a legitimate story, it's been proven over and over again since then that the emails that we published were real, but we were immediately censored.[3:53] Well, you talk about that as being kind of a moment that made you kind of become curious in the issue because when I guess a story is censored you begin to ask why it's been censored.So was it that that kind of perked up your interest in this, curious to find out why it was being restricted.
Oh no, I mean I knew from the minute that, you know, we got a look at what was on the laptop that this was a bombshell story. So there was no question that the story was huge and, you know, all credit to my editors for having the courage to publish it where no one else would and all credit to my colleagues, particularly Emma Jo Morris, for actually digging down and getting the story out there. So look, there was no question in any of our minds that this was an enormous story that showed corruption at the very highest levels in Joe Biden's campaign. And we're talking about one of the two candidates for president, and we felt that it was important that the American people had[5:03] all the evidence at their disposal about the characters of both men, so that they could form an educated judgment about who to vote for, but unfortunately that wasn't possible because of the heavy-handed intervention of big tech. And so I think what changed for me there was just I knew that we were going to get a lot of pushback and criticism for publishing the story, particularly from the Biden campaign, which refused, remember at the time, to engage on this at all other than than to tell other media organisations that it wasn't true, that Joe Biden had never met with Hunter Biden's business partner from Ukraine in Washington, DC, as we had shown through this email or a couple of emails that he wasn't the big guy who was getting 10% from this Chinese business deal, et cetera.He swore blind that he knew nothing about his son Hunter's business dealings and that our stories were wrong. And of course, you know, with time that's just[6:07] proven to be completely wrong and even the New York Times and the Washington Post had to admit it.But I guess we knew we were going to come in for some stiff opposition. What we didn't anticipate was that Twitter and Facebook would shut us down within hours of the story going live. You know, this was an extraordinary intervention into the free press by these unaccountable oligopolies.And, you know, shortly after they did that to us, they said they threw the sitting president of the United States off their platforms.And that frightened even, you know, Emmanuel Macron in France, because world leaders were looking at this and saying, if these companies have the power to unseat, de-platform the leader of the free world, what else can they do?
Absolutely. Could I ask about your, I mean, your journalistic background is substantial.I mean, Boston Herald, Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Sunday Times, and now with New York Post.Did, I mean, your experience as a journalist, did it not make you question going up against this subject, which is right at the heart of the, I guess, the American establishment?[7:33] What do you mean? Like not wanting to do it? I mean I would have thought that any journalist would want to do this story once that they had confirmed that it was real. I just, I don't see, you know, I wouldn't care if it was about Joe Biden or Donald Trump. I mean it's a really important story that goes to the heart of American national security. Here is a situation where Joe Biden has lied about his involvement in his family's influence peddling scheme that was running throughout his vice presidency and in fact he's run some form of influence peddling via his family for four decades out of Delaware. And so you know I think that's a really important story and it's just the sort of story that journalists are supposed to do without fear or favour. So I mean whether you have a lot of experience or a little experience.[8:30] I think it's just crystal clear that this is a bombshell story and that's why it's even more inexplicable that you know these news organisations like the New York Times with enormous resources, way more resources, way more investigative reporters than we have at the New your post.They really have done very little with this story. They ignored it initially.You can almost forgive them for ignoring it before the election because the stakes were so high.They didn't have the hard drive.They hadn't had the benefit that we had of the early, you know, the head start.But it took them then, I think, 19 months, the New York Times, to even acknowledge that this was a real laptop and that the material on it was legitimate and authentic and that it raised questions for Joe Biden is something that they just wouldn't tackle.[9:24] The New York Times published a story acknowledging that these emails were real, but it buried it in like the 23rd paragraph of the story on page A19, I think.And after that, then that was sort of the green light for the Washington Post and CNN and so on to follow up.But all of them had this boilerplate paragraph in their stories, there is no evidence this has anything to do with Joe Biden.There's so much evidence, ample evidence. That was our entire stories, everything I've ever reported from this laptop has been about Joe Biden.It's not about Hunter Biden, who is a poor, sad soul. You know, he was a crack addict throughout this.[10:08] You know, most of this nine year period that his laptop covers.You know, he had his personal life was in turmoil. Split from his wife, he was undergoing an acrimonious divorce.He had, despite the millions of dollars that was coming into his coffers from China and Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan and elsewhere around the world, he had serious money difficulties.He also seemed to have some sort of a sex addiction, judging from the amount of hookers that he was ordering online and sex cams and you know homemade porn etc. So this was a very troubled person and you know I feel sorry for him. I think that there is room for people to have some sympathy for this very troubled soul and wish him the best. He says now that he's clean and let's hope that that's the case. But where I think there is no sympathy and should be none is with regards to Joe Biden, Hunter Biden's father, who deputised his drug-addicted son to go and be the bag man for the family in these countries carrying the Biden name.[11:22] And reaping millions of dollars from America's adversaries. That is something that he has, it's unequivocal that he's lied about it.So what I think the Republicans in Congress are trying to do is nail down the money trail.They're doing a pretty good job of that now systematically. And also ask the questions about whether or not Joe Biden compromised America's national security and is now tailoring foreign policy because of this influence peddling scheme that was so lucrative for his family.
At the beginning, I find myself actually chuckling, probably laughing a little bit, reading the first few chapters. You've got the interaction, and it is a dark comedy.It's tragic, with, I guess, Hunter playing this hapless villain, I guess, in it.[12:22] I don't know whether you meant to inject some of that dark humour or whether I was just being heartless reading it.I'm not sure, but yeah, let us know how you put that together because I found some of the interactions and the messages, you obviously have taken that from the laptop and put that down, and it was kind of comically sad, I guess.
Yeah, I think that's a good way of describing it. It really is.You know, some of the situations that Hunter gets himself into are, you know, if they were in a movie, you would be laughing out loud. And it is a black comedy.He just is this sort of... He and his uncle Jim just bumble their way around the world and they're, you know, they're in palaces and sumptuous mansions of oligarchs and eating chicken feet in high-flying skyscrapers in private clubs of Chinese military people who are in the inner orbit of Xi Jinping.[13:29] Who end up then disappearing.You know, it seems I feel like with Hunter Biden that he's like one of those characters in a sort of cops and robbers blow him up movie where the main character just, you know, all around him there are cars blowing up and buildings on fire and he just walks through the smoke and emerges unscathed. And all around him everyone was going to jail, getting killed, getting locked up, you know, getting into all sorts of trouble, and he just seemed to emerge unscathed.[14:07] You know, there's a lot of speculation people I've talked to in, who know about, you know, intelligence services and how they operate, who would say to me that there's no way that the son of the Vice President mixing in those circles that he was in the inner sanctum of Xi Jinping in China and Vladimir Putin in Russia, going, you know, to Lake Como to mingle with oligarchs and and Hong Kong and Shanghai, I mean, Monte Carlo.[14:39] This is the most incredible international story of intrigue and mystery and danger.And that there's no way that the US intelligence services would not have been keeping an eye on Hunter.And it did feel like he had a guardian angel. Every time he was in a scrape about to come unstuck, suddenly he's okay, he's back stateside and everything's hunky-dory and he's ordering[15:06] crack from his dealer again and meanwhile off the laptop goes, you know, the super chairman or someone else, you know, that maybe he's been warned off, you know, don't mix with that person that's going to get you into trouble. I don't really know what went on behind the scenes but we also know he had various contacts in the FBI. So that's a whole new story I think that will be unraveled potentially by another committee the Republicans have set up which is the weaponization of the federal government which is looking, among other things, looking at how the FBI covered up the story of the laptop.
 
Yeah, completely. This is the laptop from hell with[15:50] A hunter looking quite rugged there with a cigarette. Many images of him, but some of the stories you put through the book are of him being, as you said, being rescued by Secret Service, I guess. Especially at times where he shouldn't have had protection. There was no reason for him to have that protection, and yet they seem to be there to help him out of different situations he find himself in?
 
Yeah, look, there could be a couple of reasons for that. There are some invoices on the laptop that show that a couple of these former Secret Service people, including a very high-ranking guy who had been the head of the Vice President's Secret Service detail when Joe Biden was in office, and they actually had gone into private practice and Hunter Biden and his brother Jim Biden had hired them to go and do some due diligence on some of,[16:53] for prospective business partners and so there was an invoice for a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars that hadn't been paid. This is why it sort of came to the attention or came to my attention because there were various emails going backwards and forwards between Jim and Hunter about who should pay this money. I mean it was it was months and months overdue which was not uncommon. There are a lot of bills including with Joe Biden that seem just not to get paid or to be very, very late being paid.And I'm told by some people in Wilmington, Delaware, where Joe Biden lives, that a lot of the local tradesmen just don't get paid.There seems to be this sort of expectation from the Bidens that it's such an honour to do work for them that you shouldn't expect to get any money for it.But that's one reason. And then, you know, another reason is, I think, we know that there was one scandal where Hunter Biden's lover at the time, Hallie Biden, who was actually the widow of his late brother, Beau, they were living together off and on.They had a very volatile relationship.And for reasons we still don't know, Hunter decided to buy a gun at a store in Delaware.[18:11] And shortly after he bought it, Hallie seemed to get worried about what he might do with it.And so she drove it to the local shopping centre and threw it in a garbage bin, a trash can.And then she tells Hunter, or Hunter looks for his gun, he can't find it, and she says, oh, I threw it in the trash can. So he says, go back and get it.She goes back, it's gone. A homeless guy's found it.[18:34] So then the cops have to come. And it's not just the local cops, it's the state police, it's the FBI.And what's really quite sinister is that two men who said they were from the Secret Service flashed a Secret Service badge, went to the gun shop and demanded the papers, the background check papers, the paperwork that Hunter had filled out to do with the gun, which of course if he took that away there's no proof that he ever bought the gun and so to his credit the gun shop owner said no I can't do that because he's worried that he's going to lose his license if something terrible happens with that gun. But you know when we ask the secret service why did you do that, Hunter Biden was not under secret service protection, his father was out of office, etc. The secret services, we did have nothing to do with that, that wasn't us. So maybe it was ex-secret service people presenting themselves as secret service. I'm told that the former secret service agents still have a badge, it's a different type, but a smaller badge than the real one but I guess how would you know the layperson and so maybe these are former Secret Service people. We do know one other thing which is that Joe Biden...[19:52] But we know this from the laptop too. Joe Biden really sucked up and curried favour with the Secret Service people around him.He, you know, in his... Before he became a sort of defund the police guy, he...now he's back to his original persona, which was as a, you know, as a working-class Joe who's all for the cops.And so he had support from police unions and so on previously, not in the 2020 election, but he did things, Hunter tells us in various emails, like he would[20:32] get Secret Service agents, kids into elite colleges that they wouldn't be able to get into otherwise, or do other favours that they're not really bribery because it's not really cash, But it's just favour trading, which is what Joe Biden specialises in, using his power to, get things happening for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to avail themselves of that, those kind of perks. So, and then we also know that the guy who was the head of his Secret Service detail, his, one of his parents died, I think it was his father died somewhere in the Midwest.And Joe and Jill Biden flew on Air Force Two to that funeral.And so, you know, that kind of gesture really engenders a lot of loyalty in people, particularly people who are in service jobs.And so I think, you know, it was probably a combination of maybe paying people to look after you, but also just vestigial loyalty to Joe Biden.[21:40] There's another thing that keeps coming up and it's the amount of money.And I had no idea until I was going to it.Eva just at the beginning, the first couple of pages you talk about.[21:54] Talk about one overcast day, Hunter's catching up on porn, he spent $1,000 on his Wells Fargo debit card.Annoyingly, Wells Fargo keeps sending alerts. He's tripping his card limit of $65,000.You then talk about him getting invoices of 82,500 retainers from international business development.Then he says, he talks about his balance shows 1 million, but there's a debit of 2 million.I mean, they're crazy sums of money to any average person reading this.I mean, tell us about that. I guess the greed involved.
Yeah, and the chaotic lifestyle that Hunter had, I mean, there were millions of dollars coming in.[22:41] But, you know, I think his alimony was 30 or 40 thousand dollars a month. He had this heavy crack addict habit. He had various households that, I mean, there was his, Hallie Biden's family that he presumably, I mean I know that they shared a credit card and they were running up $250,000 a year on one Amex and they put everything, you know, all their kind of working, living expenses seemed to go on the Amex. He had very lavish tastes in clothes, like his father, he would go to, you know men's boutiques in midtown Manhattan or on Madison Avenue and think nothing of spending, you know, five grand, ten grand here on a coat, on a jacket or, you know, a tie.[23:33] And so he just spent like he was the big spender, but he always seemed to have money problems.And I think part of that was because the money that was coming in wasn't all for him.And I'll give you a perfect example.And this is just from the very new bank records that were[23:58] put out the other day by James Comer, the head of the Oversight Committee, the Republicans who were looking into the money trail of the Biden's. So he's found, we already knew that there were these two, three million dollar payments from the Chinese energy company that paid the Biden's millions of dollars, but these two, three million dollar wires went to Hunter's business partner in in Arkansas, a guy called Rob Walker.And so we always knew that that money was destined for Hunter, but we never could see how it made its way there.And so what James Comer has found, at least with one of these $3 million wires, he's only been able to find one, that $1 million went to the Biden family, 1,065,000.And it was split up between four Biden's. So there was Hunter Biden, his uncle Jim Biden, who's Joe's younger brother, Hallie Biden, who I told you that sister-in-law turned lover, and then another fourth unnamed Biden.It's just on the wire, it just says Biden.And so, and these payments were made over three months in small dribs and drabs.[25:13] Presumably to keep them away from authorities.Didn't work because the reason we know about them is that the banks, it tripped some suspicion in the banks automatically and so they had to file suspicious activity reports with the Treasury.So we know from that $1 million, Hunter got about a third of it, I think[25:37] From that money, you know, so there's three million and he's getting about 400,000.And so he's told his business partners that $800,000 a year is not enough for him to live.So really he was burning through cash and what would have seemed, you know, to any normal person, a huge amount of money to him was barely enough.And then remember, he, it was supposed to pay tax on this money.And obviously he was not good at paying his taxes because this is one of the issues that the IRS and the US Attorney in Delaware is looking at him for is tax evasion, alleged tax evasion, alleged money laundering and foreign agent violations to do with his foreign businesses.And we know that he's paid back, I'm told $2.8 million to the IRS.So that means, you know, he earned five and a half million to owe that.And, you know, he earned a lot more than that, we know.[26:43] But, and also, I mean, maybe he's having to pay tax for money that he never received that went to other members of the family, you know?So he does feel sorry for himself a lot in the laptop and he talks about giving half his money to his father.Bitterly he complains about that. And he bitterly complains about having carried or supported the rest of the family all the time. And this is a guy that wanted to be an artist or an author.[27:13] And instead he was put to work straight out of Yale, that his father got him into Yale Law School, pulling some strings. So he gets straight out of Yale and goes into this inflated salary job for for one of his father's,you know, donors in Delaware, but boring job. And that's been his life, doing a series of boring jobs and inflated salaries, getting, you know, various sinecures and, you know, like the Ukraine Burisma board appointment for a million dollars a year, a huge amounts of money. But he's got to share that with the rest of the family. So you see him spiral down into addiction and chaos.And he's bitter and angry all the way, and particularly when it comes to that period when he abandoned his laptop in Delaware at that laptop repair shop. He's really in a rage at that time and feels that his family doesn't respect him and doesn't appreciate all he's done for them.
Obviously Joe Biden is the figure that's behind a lot of it and one of the quotes is Don't worry about investors, Jim Biden would say, according to an unnamed executive quoted by Politico.We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden. None of what happened to Hunter, I guess, was because of Hunter's brilliance. It was all to do with his father.[28:42] Oh, absolutely. And, you know, this is influence peddling. I mean, this is a a Washington DC wide disease and it's bipartisan.Both sides do it. How many, you know, look at Nancy Pelosi. I mean, look at so many of these Republican and Democratic politicians who go to Washington and become very rich by the time they leave.It's really unseemly and disgusting. Joe Biden lives an incredibly lavish lifestyle And it would be impossible to sustain that on a senator's salary for 40 years plus.So I think it's been out there in plain sight and it's a terrible thing.Washington is very corrupt and I'm not sure that there's appetite on either side to clean it up.[29:41] What's special about Joe Biden is, for one thing, he's really the master of influence peddling through his family.And secondly, as vice president and now as president, he is crucial to our national security because as vice president, Barack Obama deputized him to be his man in charge of China and Ukraine and various other parts of the world.And Joe Biden was given some very important tasks when it came to China.He was supposed to stop China militarising the South China Sea and threatening America's allies there.And he was supposed to stop China from stealing America's intellectual property.I mean, this was 2013.This was a time when China was really ramping up its aggressive tactics.And it could have been nipped in the bud there and then.[30:45] But Joe Biden did nothing. He got nothing out of it. All that happened was his family was bought off.And when Hunter Biden flew into Beijing on Air Force Two with the vice president, it was crystal clear to the Chinese what that meant. This was a princeling. Hunter Biden was a princeling like the princelings in China who are related to the top CCP officials. And this was American power come to do private business and private business happened. Joe Biden shook the hand of Hunter's now new business partner, and Hunter left and within a few days, he had 10% stake in a Chinese business which had two and a half billion dollars funds under management at one point. I mean it doesn't mean he had 10% of 2.5 billion but he had 10% of whatever the profits were. We still don't know how much that's worth. It's been estimated, I think Peter Schweitzer estimated it at 20 million[31:48] dollars, could be less, could be more. Hunter Biden's lawyers keep vaguely saying he's divested himself of that fund, but there's no actual evidence of that. It's still listed on the Chinese stock exchange websites as being owned, 10% owned, by Hunter Biden's company, and Hunter Biden still owns that company, Skinny Atlas, even though he hasn't, I mean, it's gone dormant, I think, because he probably hasn't paid some bills. So, I think that's the kind of thing you know, it's pretty worrying that the son of the President, if he still owns that 10%, is in business with the Chinese Communist Party. And all we get from the White House and from Joe Biden is lies and stonewalling. So that's why this is an important story. It's not about Hunter Biden. I wish him the best. It's about the President and whether he's compromised. And and that's why the Republicans are going down this path of trying to find where the money went.[32:52] One of the chapters, The Delaware Way, I guess, looks at what Joe Biden has done, how he has built up that influence over, what, 35 years as a senator, and has taken that influence, that peddling, global, I guess, with the Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan.I mean, what do you mean by The Delaware Way?
Well that was a phrase that was coined by a prosecutor actually many moons ago, I can't remember what it was, the 80s or the 90s I think, and they were investigating some irregularities with one of Joe Biden's re-election campaigns and there was a family called Tagani, there were a wealthy beer brewing family from the area, a young guy called Chris Tagani about the age of Joe's sons and he was sort of turned witness for the prosecutors, wore a wire to try and[33:54] see if the Biden's were doing illegal things to do with, you know, funding the Joe's campaign.Well, turned out that he didn't manage to find anything and he went to jail. But during the prosecution, one of the prosecutors described this sort of cosy quid pro quo relationship that goes on in Delaware politics as the Delaware way. It's you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.And there's something really insidious about Delaware. It's a very small state, doesn't have much in the way of an economy apart from the fact that it is the headquarters for practically every corporate in the country, because it's kind of described as the Virgin Islands of America because it has a very opaque, that sort of corporate structure and you can't see who owns companies and so on. So it makes it very easy for the Biden's to sort of hide[34:53] money but more importantly what it did for Joe Biden when he arrived as a 30 year old senator was he was being oppressed by a lot of very powerful, very wealthy people to do favours for them in the Senate and as he became more and more powerful in the Senate he was chairman of two very powerful committees, the Judiciary Committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee for many years, those favours became bigger and bigger and his power grew and he was really king of the castle in Delaware and despite really,the state not amounting to very much, he was in this unique position.And so that was why when his donors, you know, were offering to buy houses from him or sell houses to him, or give his family jobs and inflated salaries, that was all of great benefit to him.And in return, you can see policies that he was pushing that seemed to benefit his donors.But whether or not you can really draw the line and accuse him of a crime is a whole other matter.But certainly that's the Delaware way.[36:08] What about you personally as you delved into this? You come face to face with Hunter Biden, a tragic story, and then Joe Biden, absolute power, corruption. What was your takeaway from going into this? Because I guess when you begin to research something, you don't know where it's going to lead. So what were your kind of takeaway thoughts as you did the research and you put the book together?
 
Well it was just so much bigger than I had ever imagined. I mean I remember there was one night I just pushed myself away from the desk and had to and clear my head because I could not believe what I discovered. And it's not just from the laptop, you have to understand that this is also material from Tony Bobulinski, who's Hunter Biden's former business partner. It's, you know, had the contents of his three devices that he'd given to the FBI.It's also a lot of financial records that came from[37:11] Chuck Graslie and Ron Johnson, the two Republican senators who were very prescient back in mid-2020, they were investigating Hunter Biden's role in Burisma. Their report was, I think, Hunter Biden, Burisma and corruption. And that was the Ukrainian company that was paying him $83,000 a month for, basically nothing. And so they had a lot of treasury records. And also speaking to, to various sources off the record.You piece together this jigsaw puzzle and when I realized just how enormous the China deals were, there's one deal where Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin[37:59] get together and this company, CEFC, that was paying Hunter and Jim Biden millions of dollars, their partner in China was brokering this deal for China to buy a $9 billion chunk of the Russia state-owned oil company, energy company, Rosneft.And this would have shifted the geopolitical tectonic plates in a way that was very detrimental to the United States.I mean, it's along the lines of what's happening now with Russia and China getting into bed over Ukraine, but this is on energy.And really a very damaging thing that Joe Biden's son and brother were part of.They were helping broker it.[38:50] And they would have profited from it. So it's incredible that the whole thing fell apart when the Trump administration now had come into office.And for whatever reason, the FBI arrested one of Hunter Biden's Chinese business partners from this company, CEFC at JFK.And this is a case where we're now told by, this is a whole another weird part of the story that's just happened in the last couple of weeks, but there's a, an Israeli scientist, but also former high ranking officer in the Israeli defence forces, who has just been arrested in Cyprus a few weeks ago, on suspicion of gun running charges and is about to be extradited back to the United States and he's still in jail.But I've talked to his lawyer. His lawyer says that Hunter Biden had a mole, an FBI mole called One Eye, who tipped off his Chinese partners from CFC that the FBI was investigating them.And sure enough, I mean, there's some evidence on the laptop that corroborates part of his story.And part of that is that[40:08] just shortly before Patrick Ho was arrested at JFK by the FBI in 2017, Hunter was invited to the palatial penthouse in Manhattan of the boss of CEFC, a guy called Chairman Yee, and offered $1 million to be his legal counsel in case he got into any trouble.And then Chairman Yee skedaddled it back to Shanghai and according to this Israeli, told Patrick Ho that the coast was clear for him to come back to New York.And as soon as Patrick Ho arrives in New York, he gets arrested on bribery charges.And what the Israeli says is that Patrick Ho was the fall guy.He was sort of the sacrificial lamb to the FBI.[41:00] And so, there again, we come back full circle to what we were first talking about, Hunter Biden having protection from the FBI, the Secret Service. He certainly had connections at the FBI. We do know that because after Patrick Ho was arrested, there's an email showing that he'd contacted his FBI sources about how to help Patrick Ho.
To finish, the book has been out a year. What has been the response?And also the second part, how does that fit into a Republican-controlled Congress? Because you've given them a manuscript, you've said here is the evidence in a 200-page book, you can now run with this. So what was the response coming out a year ago and how can it be used by, I guess, the Republicans now in charge of the House.[41:57] Well, it's been an amazing bestseller. I mean, it just keeps on selling even today.It's still in hardcover and, you know, it was on the list apart from, of course, the New York Times.And so I think, you know, the reviews on Amazon from regular people have been good.I mean, I think it's like 4.6 out of 5 and 10,000 reviews.And the feedback I get is that people appreciate it because it's such a complicated story and this is sort of putting it into narrative form.James Comer has told me, who's the head of the oversight committee, that he loved it, he read it.I think it's just useful in terms of just itemizing what's important on the laptop.There's a lot of extraneous material And I think a mistake that a lot of people have made is to get caught up on the sort of sex and drugs and rock and roll part of it. There's no crimes there. It's sad. It's dysfunctional.But it's irrelevant. It's just gossip. What's important is the financial and international[43:13] schemes that the Biden family was involved in. Excuse me.
No, absolutely. Well, to the viewers and listeners, you can get it. It is available hardback, it is available paperback, it is available audiobook, and also on Kindle. I personally like getting a paper copy so I can make notes.
It's not paperback yet, unfortunately. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.Yeah, but it's still hardcover, ebook, and Kindle.
 
I warn the viewers that actually often I read books for interviewing and sometimes you find them too intriguing and this was one of those that actually I ended up marking far too much in the book that there's so much information. But Miranda, thank you for coming on and sharing about the experience of putting that together and sharing the story. Thank you so much.
Thanks Peter, great to talk to you.
Thank you so much.

The Week According To . . . Gareth Icke

Welcome to our weekend jaunt into the news, headlines and talking points that have caught our eye over the past seven days, and we are delighted to welcome a previous guest and a good friend of Hearts of Oak, Gareth Icke.Gareth's desire to uncover the truth is very refreshing so we look forward to hearing his thoughts on our topics this episode including...- When 'Safe and Effective' becomes 'Neither Safe nor Effective'.- Transgender MMA fighter beats opponent in seconds, fracturing her skull in the process.- Nobody is after your kids?- Canadian "they/them" politician proposes to criminalize "offensive remarks" within 100 meters of a Drag Queen Story Hour.- Dylan Thomas, Bud Light and The Babylon Bee wins again.- Robert F. Kennedy Jr announces he will run against Biden for the Democratic Presidential nomination.- COVID jabs to be given to vulnerable babies aged between 6 months and 4 years old.- Excess deaths doubled in Japan in 2022.- WHO warns one in six infertile worldwide.- Scottish National Party auditors quit amid Nicola Sturgeon's husband's police investigation.Gareth Icke is an activist, a singer/songwriter, an author, a former international beach soccer player, the presenter of ‘Right Now’, an uncensored current affairs show on the Ickonic Network and is also the son of the legendary truth warrior David Icke.He has been attending protests and rallies since he was a small boy and he's worked tirelessly in the movement for truth and continues to do so through docu-series, films, books, podcasts, rallies, speaking engagements and much more.Gareth's weekly show, 'Right Now', goes out every Friday at 7pm on ickonic.com.It gives guests from all over the world a chance to say their bit, covering a huge range of subjects that the mainstream doesn’t want you to hear about.Follow and support Gareth at the following links.....WEBSITEShttp://www.ickonic.com/http://garethicke.com/SOCIAL MEDIA, VIDEO AND MUSICGETTR: https://www.gettr.com/user/garethickeTWITTER: http://www.twitter.com/garethickeGAB: https://gab.com/garethickeTELEGRAM: http://t.me/garethickeMINDS: https://www.minds.com/garethicke/YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/garethicke21SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0NoR3Ss4kvKyZMwv0vAQn3Originally broadcast live 8.4.23
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[0:22] And it is absolutely wonderful to have Gareth Icke back with us once again.Gareth, thank you for your time today.
Oh mate, thanks for having me. I had a wonderful time chatting to you in Gibraltar.So it's nice to be back together again.
We did have good fun in Gibraltar and if people haven't seen that, you need to get a hold.We certainly live streamed, I know Gareth has put out stuff on social media of that packed gathering.[0:47] And it was a great evening. The first time I think Gibraltar had heard some of those stories in a live event.So certainly well worth. And it was also nice and sunny, wasn't it, Gareth?
It was. It's nice to get some sun on your skin.
It was. It feels like the longest winter in the world. It was good.
You can obviously follow Gareth at @GarethIcke, is the Twitter handle, and at Ickonic, and that will take you through to all of those.And maybe if we can start with Ickonic as an introduction, if there are others who do not follow you.This is a interview you did with Lisa Copeland, who's vaccine injured in Gibraltar.And the event in Gibraltar was to publicize what's happening but also to talk to those who have suffered.So maybe you can just touch on this, Gareth, and let people have an idea of what they can find on Ickonic.
Well, yeah, I mean, it was a really interesting interview. Lisa's lovely.She's a young, kind of looking fit, looking active person who suddenly had, I mean, I can't remember how old she is, I think she's early 50s, had three heart attacks after having the jab.[2:01] And she kind of, after one heart attack, didn't put two and two together, as people don't necessarily.And it was actually a nurse that told her, you do realize why this is happening.And then she had another heart attack and it was a consultant cardiologist who said, you do realise why this is happening. So there is knowledge within the medical profession.And she then had a third heart attack and thank goodness she's still with us, you know.[2:29] But she's one of countless, countless, countless. And it's the thing that Gibraltar that was interesting is, you know, there was kind of pelters thrown on social media. Why are you going to Gibraltar?Why Gibraltar? Why Gibraltar?And then I put a picture up of me and Dr. David Cartland sat by the pool because we had one day, there was one day where we didn't have anything.So we just sat by the pool and I saw the comments that were, oh my, that's why you're going to Gibraltar.But it wasn't that, it was because Gibraltar is actually a very important place.It was Gibraltar that was the first place that the vaccine went.The RAF flew in all these doses of the vaccine to into Gibraltar.Matt Hancock stood up and said they have 100% uptake, which is a lie, but it's Matt Hancock.So of course it's a lie.And then what they did is they then showed footage of people out and about in bars in Gibraltar.And it was very much the, here's what you could have won.If you will just go and take this jab these wonderful Gibraltarians have done, then you can get your life back. And you know, countless, people would have gone and got it based on that. But having spoken to people in Gibraltar, that was just nonsense. That's what they were doing anyway. They didn't have these, you know, they had one hard lockdown, I think, and then the others were just kind of, yeah, maybe a little bit, like they weren't anything like what we had. So they conned the British public and they conned the world, because we were the first people to roll these things out. The rest of the world, look, oh, look, Gibraltar's got 100% uptake and they're all fine, they're great.[3:57] But actually they're not and there's lots of vaccine injuries.Lisa is just one of many and there's absolutely no yellow card system in Gibraltar.There's no VAERS system or anything, there's nothing, there's nothing that they can do. And so, when we spoke to, it was very strange because Gibraltar is such a small country, we were just all sat around and this guy came and joined us and I bought him a pint because I was going up to get everyone a drink and I sort of, as you do, if someone's with you, even though I didn't know who he was, I was like, oh do you want a drink? And he went, oh yeah I'll have a pint of lager please, so I got him a beer. Turns out he works for the health minister out in Gibraltar and he acknowledged the fact that there's these vaccine injuries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, yeah, you know, And then he said that basically for any compensation, for people to get any compensation whatsoever, they have to basically jump through hoops, go up, stand on the moon on their head for 20 minutes and come back down. It's just ridiculous, it's just not going to happen. And then went on to say, you know, basically along the lines of, you know, it's above my pay grade. At which point, I think Dr David Cartland just got up and walked off and went, I can't deal with this.[5:04] It's the ridiculousness of it, isn't it? You know.It's worldwide all the same.
No, but well done getting that interview and putting it out because it's important for those in Gibraltar to hear what is happening in the country because we hear often what is happening in the UK, in different parts of Europe, but it's important to hear of a country that's supposedly 100% vaccinated, what could go wrong?And we can chat about what's going wrong because we're not on YouTube.So it is absolutely beautiful.
You know, it wasn't 100%. That was a lie because there were people at the event, people that put on the event that haven't had a single jab so that's nonsense but at the same time if you if you were pushing for a hundred percent and say you got that there's no control group.And that's ridiculous with anything, to not have a control group for an experimental medical treatment. It's just insanity.[5:55] Completely insanity. We will get into some other insanity as well.I just want to say there's Jackie DuBois watching on Facebook. Great to have you Jackie.Let me look on GETTR. Neil Cain was first in, evening guys, watching on GETTR.Living Truth 21 Ireland from Dublin, Gareth 1965, HW Logan, sorry it's moving quite fast now, Paul, who else, Nick Bumble, Charlotte, Baroness of Burnley, hi Charlotte, Yusel, lots of people, thank you so much and I will see if I can pull in a few of those as we go along. But talking about madness, let's go to the transgenderism stuff.This was a video that you put up, and I think you'd retweeted.But I think also it's it's of an older fight and not the most recent one.But Projam, if I can bring it up and you can play that for us.Can you play that?[7:03] Fox. Oh, that's it, fell in, Fox. Holy cow! Game over.Wow. And a quick finish to it.[7:14] Winner's $20,000 championship tournament fight. The winner is, one more time, Alistair Quince. Or, Fox. How you feeling?[7:25] Right, so the Gwyneth Tawd, this was a fight, I think it might have been started a couple of years ago, but transgender MMA fighter, Fallon Fox, beats opponent in 39 seconds, fracturing her skull.And it's what we're seeing in events, which women are participating against someone who is not a woman but is a bloke and huge danger for women in these sports and obviously in a sport like that there's a lot of physical force and aggression and I really am concerned as the transgender movement grows in the sporting arena what could happen to women.
 
It's insanity, there's no other word for it mate, it's absolutely what you've got is you've got a lad and obviously it cut off at the point just before he started speaking. It's a fella with a fella's voice. You know, so, okay, so Stan Collymore then after he gave Urika Johnson a slap and it was all over the papers, he should have just said he was a woman.I'm a woman. And then everyone would have gone, it's fine. Sorry, that's fine. Don't worry about, it. It's just insanity. You know, men are physically stronger than women. That's just, that's how it is. And so you're allowing a man to beat the living hell out of a woman.That is just literally insanity and we're supposed to be going along with it. And anyone that[8:49] disagrees with it is a bigot or a fascist. That gets shouted out a lot. Not sure how they've sort of squared that circle. But at the end of the day it's like any of these things. When insanity is allowed to happen and it's allowed to carry on and it's being affirmed, that's the whole terminology behind this insanity. In the end bad things happen and you know what it did there, she got a fractured skull but what next? What will go further than that? So all of a sudden the next one's dead and then do you draw the line? Probably not. So then how many, how many, how many? It will get to a point unfortunately where such horrific things will happen that that's when people will go oh actually maybe, maybe this is a bad idea. So it was always a bad idea and anyone with a rational thought in their head knew it was a bad idea. You know, men, rapists that commit rape against a woman and then go, actually no, sorry my name's Julie now, and they get put in prison with women.[9:49] I mean, honestly, if you went back 20 years and you said, in 20 years time, this is what's going to happen.They'd put you in a padded cell.They'd be like, no, he's a maniac.He's a maniac. But that's exactly what's happening. And it's normal.And it's this, like I keep saying, you've got to affirm something.But it's insanity. Why would you affirm insanity? If a bulimic person or an anorexic person came in, like three stone wet, gone and just said, I'm fat. What do you do then? Yeah, your massive love, huge. Is that what you're supposed to do?Because that's what we're doing in this sense. We're just affirming, we're agreeing with insanity, which means no one's getting help with any of the mental issues that they're going through.And so it's just going, just going unchecked, unchecked, unchecked. And then what happens?Then you end up with three dead children and three dead teachers. Because someone who's really mentally ill doesn't get the help they need.[10:45] The quote from, I think this was in 2014 when it happened and it could have happened again, but 2014, the quote from the female, who had her skull broken by the male pretending to be a female was, "'I fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength "'that I felt in a fight as I did that night.' "'I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man.'" she was part of my, that'll be a man, or because I'm not a doctor, I can only say I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life.[11:19] And that is when a woman goes up to fight a man who's much more well-built, it is overwhelming force.But as Jackie comments, the female competitors didn't complain or boycott.That's the concerning thing, that they don't stand up I guess a fear of what being cancelled is better than ending up dead, I guess.
Well, there is a fear of being cancelled and if you look at, in America, where they have these track meets and they have these scholarships and things that are based on athletics, they are told to shut their mouths.People have come out and said, if I say anything, I will lose my scholarship.So there's a war on women. I mean, there's a war on kids. That's been going on for a long time.There's an absolute war on women in so many different ways.And this is just one aspect of it.And it's extraordinary to me because you go back just before Rona, during the hashtag Me Too movement, toxic masculinity, men, big, burly, horrible men, too much testosterone, hairy faces and arses, they were the problem.They were pushing women down. They were doing this and they were doing that.Well, now all it is is very feminine men that call themselves she, her in their bio.Now they're doing it to women.It's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing, but no one's saying anything, which is extraordinary.And so, but it never, it doesn't end in a good way.[12:48] This is the problem because not only will someone in the ring in an MMA fight or whatever else, end up getting killed, because that's what will happen if you fight people that are a lot stronger than you.I mean, that's why welterweights don't fight heavyweights, because they would kill them probably, because there's a strength, huge strength difference between the two of them.But on the other end of the spectrum, what's going to happen is when you look at, you know, in New Zealand with Posie Parker and the swimmer that's spoken out against transgender Leah Thomas, obviously, America, she got attacked by transgender activists and all this kind of stuff.There seems to be a lot of toxic masculinity around transgender activists for some reason, but what happens then is, okay, some of those women will feel intimidated. I don't think Posey's one of those women to be fair, but some women will feel intimidated and they won't, they're all right, I'm just going to shut my mouth and stay at home, I won't do it. But most won't, most will go, no.[13:48] I'm going to stand up more. But actually, next time we do an event where we want to speak our[13:53] mind and say our piece and speak up for women's rights, I'll bring my husband, or I'll bring[14:00] my dad, or bring my uncle, or bring a couple of mates. And then all of a sudden what you have is a situation, if you look at Posie when she stood there in New Zealand, imagine if Posie had five or six lads with her, pulling back. It's carnage, absolute carnage. And this is the thing as well, I thought I mentioned this actually when Eddie Izzard, that whole thing at the Labour conference where he just walks into a woman's toilet and then just no one says anything. There's a security guard there, no one says a single word. Well what happens then is if I'm in that situation, so I'm stood by the toilet, my daughter goes into the bathroom to go to the toilet and I'm waiting outside and I'll wait outside. If I see Eddie Izzard walk in, my first thought would be to look for the security. Excuse me, a guy's just gone into the toilet and if the security guy goes yeah that's fine. Well then what happens? Do I go oh it's fine then? No I go in. I go in and sort the lad out and that's what people will do. And so again it's and then like Jackie says maybe there's some style to it because it's another way to divide people because most transgender people don't believe in any of this nonsense at all. They don't. They just want to get on with their life like we all do. And well it's the extreme.
 
No completely. Let's look at this which is the trans movement in children, which is the dangerous part. And I think this is the part which will concern us. Projam, do you want to just play that? Don't enlarge it, just play it as it is.[15:27] Small screen.
 
Anybody can do drag. Drag is for anybody and everybody who wants to put on a fun costume and get up on stage and entertain people. Everybody should try drag at least once.[15:38] It's really fun. Even kids? Yeah, there's actually quite a few kids that are starting to do drag.Do dogs do drag?Do dogs do drag?I mean, they can. You can dress a dog up in a dress and take him on stage with you.Anybody can do drag.
 
It's it's bringing in children, normalizing this.[16:00] I wonder what goes inside someone's head to think that should be normal behaviour, sexualizing kids.
Yeah. Why would you do that? And that is actually the main issue that people have.Like the organization Gays Against Groomers, they were started, they were formed based on the fact that actually this is the sexualization of kids.I saw Blair White was tweeting, that at the end of the day, you wanted equality, you got equality, there was one simple rule, just leave the freaking kids alone.You do what you want. If you wanna, just do what you like.Take bits of you off, stick it in the bin, have surgery, don't have surgery, call yourself whatever.I couldn't care less.You know, I honestly, it's none of my business what you do. But just leave the kids alone. And the problem again that will arise is that there's going to be carnage as a result because parents won't have it. They won't have it. Some will, few liberal parents, or so-called liberals. But when you see these drag queen events, you don't see many men there, but you don't see many other ethnicities there either. It's white liberal women that are taking their kids to drag events. Why is that? Why is that? You know, I don't know why that is. But[17:13] you know, what I think will happen with this constant sexualization of kids, and it's one positive actually, is that it will unite. It will unite people because the whole idea in everything is to split people up, just separate, separate, create little divides, little wars, because if we're arguing with each other, we're not looking up going right, sort that guy out. But then when you attack the kids, all those boundaries that we wouldn't normally agree with, because, you know, sexuality, sex, income bracket, colour, creed, political persuasion, all these things that are used to separate us, they go out the window, because we've all got kids. So Steve.[17:53] Who's a labourer, and Dominguez, who is a bloody, you know, professor of whatever, they're completely different in every single way. They probably have nothing in common. If you stuck them together in a bar, well, they would never be in the same bar. But they both got kids. And so actually, no, I'm not having it. And all of a sudden, they're on the same page. And that is one positive to come out of this madness. But the only the only thing then that you ask is, is where does that lead? When these people unite? How does it? How does it look? Because I spoke to Jamie Mitchell of of gays against groomers a couple of days ago, and she was saying her biggest concern is the fact that The LGBT community, which is an annoying term anyway, community as if they're all the same but it's falling.It's falling for the first time in a long time and it's because of these maniacs, these activists.[18:45] And lunatics. That's what's happening and she's saying look you know we wanted equality, we got equality, it's amazing, oh oh and then and then we have it has to go further and more more insane and so she's speaking out about it. Lots well Gays Against Groomers is a collective of the LGBT including trans people, speaking out against all this madness. And they get called, well their[19:09] Wikipedia says they're a far-right anti-LGBT organization, which I mean that's some mental gymnastics that is. So they're being attacked but they are you know doing their job and standing up and fighting and their real concern is one the kids and two the fact that actually their own community is going to get dragged into this. Because these people, these maniacs are doing it in their name?
 
Well I want to jump on to Canada. Pro Jam is that number five video?Not in the Dylan Thomas. I want to look. This is what is happening in Canada.And maybe it is, let me bring it up.[19:54] Give me a moment, let me bring this up. Yes it is, it is, sorry. Do you want to play that, play the top one, it is Canada, so play that.
 
We will not let fear win. A world without trans people has never existed. A world without drag has never existed and it never will.Queer people have always been here amongst us. They are our co-workers, they are our brothers, our sisters, they're our mothers, our fathers, they're our families. Drag is art, drag is culture, drag is educational, drag is creative, drag is comedy, but drag is not a crime.My name is Scarlett Bobo and thank you so much for your time.[20:37] So the setting to this is in Canada where it's been proposed that within 100 meters of any drag show. You cannot say anything that may be interpreted or taken as rude, offensive, transphobic, phobic, common sense thinking, whatever. Now, when I first saw that talk, it did look like a new Marvel film of new superhero characters that was going to, but no, that is actually what's happening, kind of, and that is regarded as the norm. And of course, you know, Jordan Peterson obviously claim to fame initially was against using language, forcing people to use certain language.And it seems, yeah, you could be 99 meters and if you say something, then actually you could be found guilty. And I don't know what the penalty will be for it. But again, criminalizing speech, it is so, so dangerous.[21:31] Yeah. And the thing is, the whole, you know, these people are just being used. The person there, the drag artist there, whatever they are, that's giving that speech there is just being used because as soon as any legislation like that comes through, well then that just goes blanket, that counts for everything.So I think people within that group need to actually be careful what they're pushing for and wishing for because it will come back and bite them in the backside on another occasion because that's how it works.I couldn't take my eyes off the nodding mask wearing ducks in the background.My eyes were instantly drawn to that, just nodding idiots.Canada is madness.When I was younger I used to want to be out in Canada. I love ice and stuff.I went out there a few times. It seemed like a sensible version of the United States for a bit.And now it's just absolutely insane. You know, Fidel Castro's son's gone in there and absolutely just torn it to shreds.[22:35] It's extraordinary that people go along with it for one, but also the fact that, my question is always this, why do you want to, normal drag shows, do what you like, mate.We have hen-dos and stag-dos in there. Like, do you like, the kids bit is the issue.Why do you want to do it around children?Why do you want to wave your arse, your spotty hairy arse in front of a kid while they put dollar bills in your thong and stuff?Why do you want to do that?But not only why do you want to do that, why is it that the state is so obsessed with protecting your right to do it?Given all the other rights that they take off of all of us all the time, particularly Canada, you know, if you donated some money to the truckers, they froze your bank account, right?So there's no rights in Canada unless you want to have the right to wave your fat hairy arse in a kid's face.And for me, you know, I'd love to sit down with one of them and just say, why do you want to put your arse in a kid's face?A genuine question and I will wait for the answer because I have an assumption that my assumption is the fact that you're a bit of a nonce.That's my assumption.You can feel free to correct me. I'm open to being corrected if you're not that.But in my mind, a grown man that wants to dress up scantily and stick his arse in a kid's face.[24:00] There's a word for those sort of people. And I would love an answer.I mean, I doubt I'll ever get one, to be honest, mate, but I would love one because I can't think of another word apart from I'm getting the word nonsense.
You're expecting some common sense, Gareth, which...[24:15] The problem is, you're right, I don't think many of these people have had a conversation with the sane person to discuss this because so many people fall into line and just accept the badness, but there's no pushback.But yeah, that's what's needed. That's good.
 
Parents need to parent.That's what needs to happen. You know, there's a lot of parents, well not a lot, but there's a few, unfortunately, parents out there that basically, you know, have sex, get pregnant, out it goes, on you go, whatever.You know, you have a job, there's a job here, and it's full-time, mate.And that is to protect that child.Now, part of protecting that child is protecting them from predators.Simple as that, whether that be in the jungle or in a nightclub.Not that there should be a nightclub anyway, but that's your job and you know parents need to start doing their job and if they did their job this stuff wouldn't happen because what would happen is four or five drag queens with a fetish for sticking their arse in kids faces would turn up and twiddle their thumbs in an empty venue for an hour before going home.That's what would happen if parents did the job and they're not.
Let's the continuation of this with advertising.[25:33] This was Dylan Thomas back in a past life. If you wanna play this projam, we can watch this beautiful dance.
It has been the wheel. Yeah, you get to spin the wheel, but guess what?You get a second chance in this game first. No way. Oh my God, oh my God, I'm still in it.So you know two prices already, which is a great thing.$3.99 and $5.99. Which one do you want to keep?I'm going to keep the $5.99. Something else up here is $5.99.You can tell me what it is.You get everything. I'm going to say the soup. Soup! $5.99. It's pretty fancy. It is... Yes!Yes! You got it![26:14] Music.[26:20] Look at that. Right, it goes on, it goes on.But, it is a bit, and I can't even show the video of him, her, it in the bath with the bud because it's just, it's too, it's ingrained on my memory, I don't want to put it on others.But it is this, an individual like this probably would have got help at some point in our society and now we cheer on this person who has issues in their life and really should be helped.And now they're making a ton of money and they've been released onto the world.But yeah, I mean, talk through it and I'll bring up some of the Babylon Bee articles around it, which I thought was quite funny. But yeah.
Dylan's a narcissist. A complete narcissist who is obsessed with self-promotion.[27:16] I would have no doubt that Dylan refers to himself in third person often, he's that sort of character, but I also think it's trolling as well.And when I say trolling, I don't mean the fact that it's fake, because he's gone off and had his face reconstructed, that's not trolling in the sense that it's fake, his face is different now.But by Nike and Bud Light and all these major corporations doing what they're doing, they know what they're doing is going against women and they know they're going to get pelters for it, but they don't care.It all, it feels to me like they're trolling women.[27:54] Why is Dylan now a face for Nike female athletics?[28:03] One, the dude's not an athlete. He's never even seen a track or a weight, right?So he's not an athlete. So, okay, so you're not, it's not even like Leah Thomas, go actually they won blah blah blah blah blah. There's no reason why Dylan is getting athletic apparel whatsoever. He's got a support bra on when he doesn't have boobs because he's a fella.[28:26] I don't know what he's done with the tuck in it. He's done quite well with that to be fair because they're pretty tight pants and you can't see anything so well done actually Dylan on that.In terms of the Bud Light where he's in the bath again it's a parody, it's a mick take of women.They're with the bubbles, oh I can't understand bubbles because I'm a woman so I don't get bubbles, they're confusing for me. It's that again it's just taking the mick and the high pitched and...[28:51] As if that's the way that women are and the way he dresses and he's got the pigtails and all that that sort of stuff. That's not a woman. That's, that's not how women are. That's, that's a clip art version of a woman. It's a parody. And so then when he's saying, you know, there's no men in my DMs. And of course, there isn't. Of course, there isn't.Because because even if men accepted the fact that you were a woman, and they went, Okay, no, no, no, you know, transgender women are women, is a woman, I have no problem with being with a transgender woman, and crop that point, right?Even if they were thinking that they would look at Dylan and go, how annoying a woman is Dylan? Yeah. Dylan's just a dick. Like Dylan's not the woman I want screeching all the time. How long does Dylan take to get ready? Two hours? Like just an absolute narcissistic pain in the arse. And so that's what I honestly think that they're doing now that they're doing on purpose. So you've got people at Nike, you've got people at Bud Light and all these other organizations.I mean, he's making absolute killing, isn't he?That they know what's coming. And they go, yeah, go on, do it, do it.I mean, why would you seek out Dylan and go, this person who gets pelters all over the internet constantly, this is the one that, this is good for our brand.No chance, unless you're trolling.[30:09] Let me show the Babylon Bee, which no longer is making up stories that are no longer true.Actually part of Babylon Bee is just mocking what already is there.Here's beverage pretending to be beer features man pretending to be woman.Love that one. There was another one. Let me just show the other one quickly.[30:31] And literally Babylon Bee, no shortage. And it is this one.Santis and Budweiser attempt to discover how many beers it would take for Dylan Mulvaney to pass as a woman.I mean, Bud Light is not strong, so it's gonna take hell of a lot, but it's great when there are sites like that that are just willing to completely mock.And I think that's what it takes to mock what is happening, to point out this is not reality.Jackie says, should I show Kyle? We'll show the 18 seconds of the night dance, just because you asked nicely. Oh, it was amazing. It was like, it was like river dance, a pissed up river dance.Is it this one? Let me play this one. here's some fun.[31:24] Music.[31:41] I mean it is pure narcissism you're right Gareth, it is complete narcissism.
 
Yeah and he's surrounded by people that won't tell him the truth that's part of the problem I think and that's what Sam Smith fits into that category as well, surrounded by people that just go along with it. if I, did that and I said to my wife or one of my mates can you film me doing this, they would be there going you look a fucking idiot. I'm not good, stop it, stop it. They would tell me, you know, no, no and that's what needs to happen, you know.No Dylan.
 
Gareth, we've only met maybe twice but don't worry if I ever see you putting out a video like that I will happily tell you what the hell has gone wrong, Gareth. You need help.
 
I've got good people around me, haven't I Peter? That's the point.He doesn't have good people around him. But then at the same time, I look at Dylan, and then I look at the other guy that's famous in a similar-ish way, the one who's got lipstick on all the time, a creepy smile, and has always got stubble, and is trying to get kids to private message him away from their parent.He's a predator. He's a proper predator, that one. He's dark as hell.There's something really sinister about that guy.Dylan is just a narcissistic Wally.[33:01] And what he wore when he was doing the Price is Right or whatever that show is called, he dressed up like Wally, didn't he? So it's almost like he knows that he's a Wally.But the other one is far more sinister in my view, if anyone's ever seen him.And any guy that's there on social media doing the real smarmy smile, it's just, oh God, he gives me the creeps.If I was walking through a park at night and I saw him, I'd leg it.[33:23] Trying to tell, telling kids to, join this private message thing and talk to me privately, that red flags everywhere.
Yeah. Well, let's leave the trans stuff in the rear view mirror and move on to something much more positive.And it is this, this is Robert Kennedy Jr.'s statement.[33:46] And he has submitted his paper where he says, I filled with the EEC and will announce my candidacy presidency on April the 19th in Boston. I'm grateful for the outpouring of support. Now,[34:00] I get Robert Kennedy Jr. would be someone on the opposite side politically as me, but I've been blown away by his bravery and stand on COVID and calling it out for what it actually is, calling the jabs out. But yeah, what are your thoughts on Robert Kennedy Jr. putting his name in the ring to stand as the democratic candidate.[34:27] Well to be honest I'm not one for politics really. I just think it's all a bit of a sham and all a bit of a show and all just basically give people the illusion of choice because you get to vote every four years for someone that is essentially not going to do anything that you want them to do and then four years later you'll try and replace them with the other guy and then the same again and so it goes on and it just gives people this illusion of choice. I'm not a fan of politics But for me, one, the Democratic Party will never pick him as the candidate for presidency, ever.That's never going to happen. And even if he got close, they would Bernie Sanders him, like they did with Hillary. They just never let it happen. But at the same time, if he can get there and he can get on the campaign trail and can get on debates and can say things and get some truth bombs drop in left, right and centre, then that's only a good thing. I'm the same as you, politically, I'm not so much with Robert in the sense of the whole climate change, human caused climate change stuff, he's really big on that and always has been.[35:36] But in terms of vaccines, he's great. I'm pretty sure actually his vocal injury was actually that was caused by a vaccine I think, which I think set him on the journey.That seems to be the case, you know, it's the same, like people that would, he would probably have not really given it time of day, the fact that actually these things that you can't possibly talk about long before COVID, you know, you can't talk about the measles ones or MMR and autism, all these things, these conversations that had people cancelled and their lives and livelihoods destroyed.But then it's happened to him, so now he's on it. And he's, like you say, he's brave and he goes for it.Same, I guess, with Malhotra, the fact that he would have poo-pooed anything against vaccines and then one, in the COVID jab, kills his father, and now he's on the trail with it.But yeah, for me, not a big fan of politics, but if he can get some truth out there and get some stuff out onto mainstream media, That's amazing.
Completely. Let me move on to this on COVID and this was an article in the Daily Mail.[36:52] And this was COVID jabs will be given to vulnerable babies for first time. Health Chiefs recommend two Pfizer doses for 60,000 at-risk infants aged six months to four years.And it actually says those with poorly controlled asthma and chronic heart conditions are included.Like giving them an experimental jab is going to fix heart conditions.I thought the evidence is there to say, actually it does cause heart conditions.It is infuriating that they haven't got it.[37:29] Well, if you ever needed evidence that people in positions of power are complete psychopaths, with absolute contempt for humanity.Look no further than a headline like that.You, at the end of the day, you go back two years when it was 100% safe and effective and it was gonna save the day and give everyone their lives back.Amazing, just look at Gibraltar.They didn't give it to six month old babies then.So now you fast forward two years and you go, right, okay, it's useless, it's admitted that it's completely freaking useless and it kills people and it gives people heart disease, and it causes God knows how many percentage rise in excess deaths.Right, so we know that now.So now's the time to stick it in a six month old. Obviously, of course it is.What are you doing?[38:23] You know, it's so hard to get beyond the fact that there's clearly some form depopulation agenda happening.And because the thing is with the vulnerable, Peter, is they've got a ready-made excuse.It's the same with giving this stuff to people in care homes and giving it to vulnerable elderly people and whatever.When they die, they were vulnerable, weren't they? Yeah, that's sad, isn't it, that they were vulnerable.
But all the, I mean, with all the Pfizer dumps, and we've talked to Amy Kelly, who pulled together all those Pfizer dumps and had Naomi on before, but they go through and what, 167 or 172 is it, people actually went through the trial, but of those, I think only six of the rest were placebos.You've got no evidence for any testing on children, no data that actually this is deadly to children at all.[39:24] There's absolutely nothing available that would persuade any sane person that actually it's children that now need jabbed.And any children with a health issue, that's probably 10 times reason not to jab them with that.But I don't know whether it's Pfizer demanding it. I don't know whether it's contracts, but it is pure evil happening in front of our eyes.
And it comes down, like everything is connected.It connects into drag queen story hour in the sense that this is on the parents.The parents need to not let this happen.100% just need to put their foot down. No, doctor, that's not happening.And you like to think that doctors wouldn't do this either. No, I'm not doing that.I mean, I might be being so bloody naïve with that, but that's what I hope.I hope that the uptake is none, that the parents say, no, not doing it, not a chance.Because that's what needs to happen. Because at the moment, as Jackie says, it's not mandated.It's not even like you've got some kind of battle on your hands.But the problem is that you'll find is children in care.Children in a vulnerable care system will end up having it. I know people that have adopted[40:46] children that are kind of a similar mindset to myself when it comes to vaccines, and they[40:53] weren't allowed to complete the adoption until the child had the childhood immunisations. That that was part of the deal. They wouldn't have done it, but they wouldn't get the child, it was done before the child was given over to them. So I would imagine it would be exactly the same for any child in care. And it's just so evil. It's so beyond evil. It's unfathomable to me.
It is, but the dead are in Japan and you mentioned depopulation and this is something which I I am still trying to get my head around.I haven't gone down that rabbit hole as yet. I remember having James Delingpole, he's well done.I'm looking down at the hole, but this is the deep population, this is Japan times.Excess deaths doubled in Japan 2022.COVID-19 may be to blame, I really think, no way.But again, it's not looking at the impact of the jabs.We've seen this across many countries, Germany, we talked to a German politician about this, it's now coming out in Japan, a lot of data coming out of Japan. But I wonder what time, my worry is that people will not wake up because they'll not be getting the information and everything will be blamed on COVID, but you can only blame COVID for so long until the truth comes out. So what are your thoughts on this and then maybe even on the depopulation side?[42:21] I think people are starting to wise up.I think they're starting to wise up to it. I think, you know, your kind of, you know, your pronouns in bio, Ukraine flag in bio, blue heart in bio types will never,[42:36] like they'll never get it. Like that. For me, they're an NPC that is just it's done. Don't just forget them. Don't worry about them. The nodding mass mass covered ducks in the background on that video. They're the same forget about them. But most people that have rational thought or, well, I say they will, they are getting it.I have conversations with people all the time and they won't buy that stuff, that's nonsense.[43:02] You know, I mean, the local gym that I was going to, they started a course of, well, a way to try and make some money to train people with long COVID and it just got laughed at because it's ridiculous.It's just ridiculous.[43:15] And so that whole kind of trying to push COVID on stuff, it's just dying, it's dying.All over the world it's dying out because people have had enough and people's life experience, as was always gonna happen, people's life experience has now outweighed the fear porn that they were getting from the media.You know, when people were locked in their houses and they were being told, you know, this is happening here, this is happening here, happening here. Oh my god, it's terrifying isn't it?Because they couldn't see. And now they're out and they've had conversations for two years or more of people going, do you know anyone? No, I don't know. Do you know anyone that knows? No, that's weird, isn't it? That is weird, isn't it? That started to wake people up. And then the jab rollout. Oh, no, it's safe and effective. Yeah. Bloody tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxers, dangerous, far right, you know, all the usual. That was then balanced out with, well, my aunt June.Oh, well, a couple of lads I used to play football with. Oh, well, the landlady at the local pub, she was only 45.All of a sudden, that reality, Lisa Copeland, pro-vax, took the vax, three heart attacks.She's now going, well, that's ridiculous. This thing is dangerous.It's killing people. It's nearly killed me three times. And so that's what's happening.And so I think they're going to really struggle with pushing these nonsense headlines.People won't have it.[44:38] Well, this, it's this, so infertility, and this has made me.[44:46] Naturally, no, oh, sorry, I'll bring it, sorry. Let me bring up this.
Yeah, World Health Organization, one in six, isn't it?
Yep, it's one in six. Let me pull up the story. But I mean, how does, because this is something that.[45:02] It's slowly, slowly coming out, And it seems to be that, actually, let me just bring this up.When the WHO are coming out with this, that's the thing I can't get my head around, to one in six infertile worldwide.And it says, despite high rates, fertility treatment is inadequate and expensive across the globe, pushing many hopeful patients into poverty trap.But it's 17.5%, one in six. And that is a level that's rising and rising.[45:36] I don't know why the WHO are putting it out. What are your thoughts on this?
Well, it reads like when you see the headline, it reads like complete gaslighting. But then, when you actually read the article, the studies was up to 2020. So it's actually nothing to do with you know, these these COVID jabs. Yeah. But sperm counts, particularly in the West have been absolutely plummeting for decades. So it doesn't surprise me that infertility is infertility is so high. What what I find interesting about it is no one seems to want to get to the bottom of why it it is. And it's the same. It's not vaccines. That's the answer.And it's the same with with autism. You know, when that whole thing was out there of, you know, autism, but it's not vaccines. Okay, right. All right, fine, whatever. Let's just put that on the on the on the side for a minute, then.What is it then? And then people go, you know, are this, you know, processed food? Okay, well, let's have a chat about processed food, then no one seems to want to have that conversation. The other element of it is, you know, we live in in a world with something like 18 to the power of 10 zeros,[46:43] whatever it is, it's something insane,times more radiation in our lives than there was just 150 years ago.Is that doing something? People sat with their laptops on their lap, radiating their bollocks and their ovaries, sat with mobile phones in the pockets, you know, but no one seems to care.No one seems to care. All it seems to me, it's not vaccines.Oh, okay. And then, right, you know, do you want to watch Bargain Hunt?No one seems to have any kind of concern as to, all right, okay, well, even if it isn't that, what is it then?Because, you know, we hear about climate change, oh God, you know, all the polar bears and stuff, and Greta's not going to school again, and all that sort of nonsense, and pretending to get arrested when she's not actually being arrested at all.Because we are facing an extinction level event.We're not, we're not, which is why all the politicians that are peddling it, your Obamas and your Al Gores and people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are all still buying multi-million pound waterfront properties.You wouldn't be doing that if you think the sea's rising, but there you go.So we've got to focus on that.[47:48] This infertility and dropping sperm counts, that is literally an extinction event.Because if you can't procreate, you cease to exist. And then maybe that's part of it.Maybe that's part of it. You bring the population right down, a smaller population is easier to control. Just look at the nations where the draconian COVID measures were brought in harder.So New Zealand, tiny population. Australia, tiny population for the size of the country.Canada, tiny population for the size of the country.[48:20] And then you, you, you even, even down to the UK, you've got England, pretty heavily populated, fought back, Scotland, tiny population, was it five and a half million?Far more draconian, Wales, far more draconian, cause it's easier to control a smaller group of people.So that will play a part in, in why you would want population reduction.And the other part, you know, the conspiracy theorist in me, people focused a lot on, on 1984 through all this, terms of the parallels between Orwell's 1984. But Orwell was being taught by Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World. Take a look at Brave New World, you know, and what that was, you know, that's a comparison as well, in terms of the world that's being created for us and around us.And in that, there is no procreation. There's state hatcheries, where the state grows, you know, and then you look at Israel, they've already got fake wombs in Israel.Like this whole thing is all happening at the same time.You know, you've got smart cars and smart meters and smart this and smart that.How long till you got smart people?[49:26] Yeah. But my big thing is on this, I'm trying AI to the piece on AI with Lotus Eaters during the week, and it's frightening on where that is going.Everyone who's causing for a pause for those who are actually involved in doing AI, but that's a whole other.
But that's why the same is in Silicon Valley. The people that make the iPads and all these things, They don't let their kids have them.
But on this, you're right that people read these stories and then they go on to watch Bargain Hut, whatever.But it's these stories, this infertility, it's a entertainment piece.You read it over your coffee, and then you go on and get on.You don't think, well, what have I just read?What does that mean? And people aren't processing the information.They're just reading it glibly and seeing it as a piece of entertainment for a few minutes and moving on.That's the frightening thing that the penny is not dropping in any way of some of these big issues.
No, because that story won't be on page one or page two or page three of any newspaper.It won't have made any BBC or Sky News bulletin, won't have made any of those things.But they will focus on climate change and all this sort of nonsense, but they won't talk about that kind of stuff.[50:52] So it's, you know, most, we're talking about it and people that are listening to this are processing it and have probably read that story.If I walked out into the cul-de-sac I live in and knocked on people's doors, they'd probably think I was a bit weird, but if I knocked on people's doors and asked if they knew that one in six was infertile, they wouldn't know.They'd be like, really? Seems a bit high. Door slams. They wouldn't know that.Most people wouldn't know that.You know, even people that have gone through those problems themselves, they would think that they were in an absolute minority. They wouldn't realise just how prevalent this is and how huge that is as a story. It should be front page news, it's massive.[51:33] Yeah, let's just do two or three minutes, our last story north of the border and something completely different and people were all quite surprised whenever Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland stepped down and now we have SNP auditors quit, Scottish National Party that is, quit amid Peter Murrell police investigation, who was the chairman who was married to Nicola Sturgeon, and it seems all to do with finance and when Sturgeon resigned it was well she was a bit too stressed and social media were taking pot-shots at her and now this police investigation seemingly been going on for for two years but I was intrigued because it seemed it's quite a very public way the police I guess could have gone in it could have done but no they set up a huge tent outside it was massively public and it's maybe this answers the stories of why Sturgeon actually did stand down.[52:33] Almost certainly it looked like Fred West's house didn't it with the tents outside what was funny is I went out walking yesterday with a mate of mine and he's Scottish guy and he was, you know, SNP and he, you know, probably about three or four years ago now was like, nah, she's a demon.But he, you know, supported her because he supported independence, which is the Trojan horse that got the SNP in. It is. Because that's the only thing. Without that, they've got nothing.And what they've done is they've stitched themselves with this self-identity bill, because even the most ardent, you know...[53:08] Yes, voters have actually gone, okay, this is a bit weird now.We've gone too far now. It's getting dark. What I thought when I saw the...Anyway, so I told my mate David, sorry, cut my own story off then, about the whole thing. And I said, you know, they had these tents outside.He's like, what do you mean? Well, like digging for bodies.I was like, no, but it does look like that, to be fair.And maybe skeletons. I think there's a hell of a lot of skeletons.[53:31] But my first thought when I saw it is, for me, all politicians are the same.They're just left and right, different cheeks on the same arse, right? And actually I'm not a fan of the Tories, can't stand them, can't stand any of them. The one bit of credit I will give the Tories is that they don't try and pretend they're not bastards. They don't try and hide it. Whereas you've got Labour, which are a bunch of bastards, but they try and pretend that they're not. They put an LGBTQ flag and a Black Lives Matter thing on it and they try and pretend that actually, Oh, no, no, we're the good guys.You're not. The SNP are the same.And so I look at Sturgeon and the rest of them, and it's the same with Jacinda, because she stood down for other reasons as well, is they're always what they accuse you of.Always.The amount of times, if I went and searched it, the amount of times that Nicola Sturgeon has called out the Tories for being private landlords or having investments in private healthcare companies, which are all legitimate things to call out.If you've got a politician who is a private landlord who then votes on legislation to protect landlords, there's a conflict of interest. So yeah, that's a legitimate thing.Same with the NHS and all that sort of stuff.So they've got a point, but they're doing the same thing.[54:45] They're always doing the same thing. They're just pretending they're not.And the SNP are the same. The SNP are just the Tories with a pride flag.[54:54] To this point, I don't understand why people still vote. I have to say, I don't understand it.And if you want to vote, that's fine, but I don't.And then people go, people died for the right to vote. Nah, nah, they died for a legitimate choice between two things that weren't exactly the same.That's not what voting is. Do you want this World Economic Forum puppet or do you want that one?Do you want AIDS or do you want cancer? It's not really a choice, actually.I don't think people fought for the right to choose between AIDS and cancer.Not what they vote, that's what they fought for. So actually that argument that if you don't vote, you don't have a right to to argue anything or say anything is just complete rubbish.I have the exact right to argue it because I knew they were both bastards so I didn't vote for either of them. So when the one you elected gets in and acts like a bastard I'm allowed to stand there actually and say, told you, told you, you know. So I don't know what the answer is in terms of politics and I don't claim to. What I think would be a start would be the none of the above.[55:56] I do believe just putting that on a ballot, even if it's just a protest, it would start a conversation and there would have to be some kind of change. If you had Labour, 10% Tories, 8% you know and then like 70 odd percent, none of the above. All right so 70% of the country literally want none of these people. That would start something, that would start a ball rolling. The other thing that I believe Peter is what I said in Gibraltar is to have a contract, a binding contract between the people, then I'd vote actually, between the people and the political party or the politician that are elected.So if I say to you, right, Peter, what I'm gonna do is if I get into power, I'm gonna bring taxes down, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna provide more for education, for this, all this big long list of stuff.And you look at that list and you go, mate, that's pretty good, I'm gonna vote for this guy.And I get in, I don't have any, I don't have to do any of the things that got me elected.I literally don't have to do a single one and I can still be in power for four years[57:05] without having done any of that. In fact, I can do the opposite of every single one.So what should happen is there's a contract and I have a certain period of time where I have to implement those policies. And if I refuse to implement those policies, I'm gone.And there's a snap election, bang, to be replaced.That again, that would be a start. I mean, that's not necessarily the end goal and the perfect scenario, but it would be a start, that actually people would have to do what they promise rather than just say, bring down taxes, everyone gets a free Lamborghini, cheers.When they have absolutely no intention of ever doing that.
Yeah, completely.[57:43] Gareth, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for coming in and sharing your thoughts on all those different stories, thank you.
I know, well, we did about 40% or 45% on transgender stuff. And you know, people say, and they say it to me and Rich, why do you talk about this subject so much? Because it's so important to protect kids and protect women's rights and stuff and to protect the gay community as well because as we were talking about earlier, they're becoming targets now. It's that pendulum swing that will come back And actually, you know, it needs calling out.
No, completely. Well, let me just finish on, let me just show just two or three funnies just to finish with. And we'll not give any comments, we'll just leave people with a smile. Sometimes there's so many issues happening that we don't leave them with a smile.This was, let me do this. This is when you're on your first date and she orders a Bud Light, You know, it's not going to go well.There was just, we didn't even have time to show Bob Moran's cartoon, my goodness.You need to look at that, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Piers Morgan.You need to look at that, absolutely wonderful. And here was one of Dr. Robert Malone's jokes, which I thought was, they're all very funny.[59:10] Rapes, robberies, assaults are all up last year. Manhattan DA, what do you plan to do about it? Indict Donald Trump. This is the AG, Attorney General Bragg, who is indicting Trump. There are so many articles, but we will not because we have run out of time. Make sure and check out Gareth Icke on Twitter, Ickonic on Twitter, and follow all of the content they are putting out. And if you want to make full use of the content, you can can pay for that content because I think we're used to getting content for free, aren't we, Gareth? It's important for people to realize if something is worthwhile, then they should pay for it. But just, I'll give you a minute to plug Ickonic just as we end.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, it's as cheap as we can make it. So that obviously, you know, all the staff can live and stuff can get made and all the streaming costs and the website costs and the developers, you know, they've got four full-time developers and stuff.So it's as cheap as it can be.[1:00:15] Which I think is about $7.99 a month. There's five weekly new shows and then some comedy in there, lots of films, original films and licensed films, documentaries, self-help, yoga, nutrition, pretty much everything that you need really there.And you can start a free seven-day trial whenever you want. So if you go to ickonic.com, start a free seven-day trial, check out all the content, see what you think.And also leave us some feedback, you know, because the fear is that you become a bit of an echo chamber and you end up making content that you enjoy, which is great, but that's not necessarily, you know, what people want.So feedback is always, always welcome.[1:01:00] Okay, sounds good. We'll leave it on that. I'll wish our viewers a wonderful rest of your Saturday evening.Happy Easter Sunday for you tomorrow. Hope you have a wonderful time, however you're spending it with friends and family, or just chillaxing by yourself, have a wonderful time.And we'll be back with you on Monday with Miranda Devine, laptop from hell, New York Post journalist.We did a prerecord with her a few days ago. So she's with us on Monday discussing that bestseller.So on that, have a good evening and we'll see you on Monday.So thank you and good evening.