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Michele Bachmann - Can Higher Education Hold Back the Woke Wave?

I first remember watching Michele Bachmann in the race for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2011. Her strong conservative and Christian values stood out and made her a lightening rod, but education has always been her passion and her role in Regent University brings her vision for learning to higher education. She joins us to look back at her political life in Congress and to discuss how higher education can hold back the woke wave that is engulfing the western world.Michele Bachmann was born in Waterloo, Iowa. She received a B.A. in Political Science and English from Winona State University in 1978. She married Marcus Bachmann, a clinical therapist who holds a master’s degree from Regent University. In 1986, she received a Juris Doctor degree from Oral Roberts University. She was a member of the ORU law school’s final graduating class, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school library to Regent University. Two years later, she completed a Master of Law in taxation at the College of William & Mary. She worked for four years as a lawyer for the Internal Revenue Service’s Office of Chief Counsel in St. Paul, Minnesota.Michele and her husband have five children. They also worked with a private foster care agency to house 23 children in their home during the 1990s. Their children were home schooled and also attended private Christian schools, and her political career stemmed from her interest in education reform.In 2000, Michele defeated a long-time moderate incumbent for a state senate seat in Minnesota. In 2006, she entered the race to represent her suburban Minneapolis congressional district, winning 52 percent of the vote, becoming the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the House of Representatives. She easily won re-election in 2008 and 2010.Michele's extensive career highlights include:She was the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.Michele served as a United States Congresswoman representing Minnesota’s 6th District from 2007 to 2015.She quickly became a national figure in the Republican Party and a founding member of the congressional Tea Party Caucus.In 2011, Michele announced her bid for the Republican presidential nomination and ran for president in 2012 and is a highly respected leader who is deeply committed to conservative values in government.Regent Universityhttps://www.regent.edu/Interview recorded 24.3.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!

The Week According To . . . David Vance

David Vance is back with us to discuss our way through the big stories this week in the news and have a look at what he has been posting on his awesome social media accounts. It's not for snow-flakes, expect free thinking, free speech, freedom of expression and plenty of opinion as David let's us know what he really thinks about the topics this episode including.....- BBC Launch education show for children in Afghanistan.- French protests and the brutality of the police.- Russia assumes UN Security Council presidency despite Ukrainian anger- Donald J Trump indicted.- Biden will not attend King Charles III coronation.- J6 prisoner 'Shaman' Jacob Chansley has been released 14 months early.- Town councillor jailed for Eat Out to Help Out fraud.- Poll suggests Scottish FM Humza Yousaf 'could lose seat' at next Holyrood election.- No Shit Sherlock: World Health Organization says healthy children and teens probably don't need a COVID clot shot.- NOT AN APRIL FOOL JOKE: Study finds flu shots may help prevent heart attacks. Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 1.4.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstin and Twitter https://twitter.com/TheBoschFawstin?s=20 To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video and livestream platforms...https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please like, subscribe and share!Links to stories and articles in this episode: https://rumble.com/v2fss10-the-week-according-to-.-.-.-david-vance.html
Transcript...
And as always, it is wonderful to have Mr. David Vance. David, thank you for joining us.
My pleasure, or Peter, my absolute pleasure to be with you.The four weeks goes by very, very quickly between one of these and the next. That's life.[0:38] It does. This is the fastest live stream I ever do. You blink and it's over, so, and chatting.But actually, David, I was, what a weird, whenever we put out a video, well, actually did a live stream on Monday about the 425,000 that Elizabeth had got, been awarded by the courts.The grooming gangs.But we also put out a video clip of her father speaking, because we recorded him like two years ago, we were up in Rotherham two years ago, and we did a two minute clip of him talking about South Yorkshire police.And I sent it to a couple of friends, US friends, and they came back and said, I'm sorry, but is that English? Is there any way you can get subtitles?So I'm just hoping our US friends don't need subtitles tonight for us.We will see, we're not providing them. So just one thing before we jump in, I had a absolutely great time in for two days, three days, two days in Gibraltar.It was an event done by actually, who was it done by? It was done by Freedom Gibraltar and Workers of England Union.And it was a great event, basically the first time they had had such an event.[1:54] Opposing the Jabs. And they were worried it would get stopped, so it had to be done quietly.But really good to meet Dr. Clare Craig, really great to meet Dr. Aseem Malhotra, good to meet Dr. David Cartland, because I hadn't actually met Dave before.And to catch up with Gareth Icke and the Freds, Matt Hoy, John Bowe, who I hadn't actually met before.It was good to spend time with him. But a really great event.And Jenny Roberts had put it together and it shows what can be done in such a short space of time.We live streamed it.And I learned a lot from live streaming it because I have a load of things I will do better next time. It was good to have Oracle Films, Phil Wiseman correcting me and also Gabriel from Ickonic correcting me.So I learned a lot as we always should do. So the next time we live stream for an event like that, it will be even better.But let's jump in. Our first story, actually is not one that Dave and I talked about, but one I came across.This is of course Trans Visibility Day. So let me play this little clip from, I think Cartoon Network.Give me a moment. And, oh, which, I can't remember which squid I showed. Oh, here he is.[3:17] Music.[3:31] Yeah. Was that? Oh no, no! Oh, that was good. I was going to play longer.Obviously, this is the push on the whole trans agenda for children.And David, I think that's really one of the easiest wins for us on this issue, how children are being targeted.
Yeah. Although, mind you, I wanted to know how Trans Visibility Day went in the Muslim world.I was wanting for an update on that.I can't seem to find any footage of it, Peter, in downtown Saudi.But there you go. Maybe someone can send me that footage.But yeah, the whole targeting of kids is, of course, absolutely an abomination, deplorable, and obvious. It's really, really obvious.[4:22] I'll tell you that one of the worst things I saw this week, I don't know what you thought was, and maybe you've got a thing to bring it up, But following the shooting in the Nashville Covenant School where the three kids were shot dead by a trans shooter, like let's call it for what it was, a trans shooter, and obviously the three adults as well were shot dead.I find it remarkable that we saw in the likes of the Kentucky Capitol building and the Tennessee Capitol building, these occupations, these insurrections by trans activists talking about how trans people were under attack.And in actual fact, it was a trans person who'd done the attack.And I mean, I'll be honest, I put out a podcast on this today, Peter.[5:07] Called, you know, Satanic Inversion, because that's what I, I think that's what it is.That there, and we saw the White House, also Jean-Pierre Lecarde, you know, or is that her name?Some, whatever she's called, Joe Biden's, Joe Biden, I think it's Karen Pierre something or another, but I prefer Jean-Pierre Lecoq, coming out and again saying, I'm sure you saw it, Peter, that the White House was very concerned about trans people being under attack, as this individual one did the attack.And so, you know, about trans kids, we've got to look out for trans kids.Yeah, we got to look out to make sure kids don't become corrupted in this way by this kind of, you know, very...Deranged psychological mindset. You know, I mean, I try to be kind to everyone and I don't want to generalize across any groups because generalization is never great.[6:02] But there's no doubt about it.There are some extraordinarily deranged individuals and they're all over social media, by the way, and they think that, yeah, super duper, trans kids, it's all normal.And, you know, thank you for identifying me by my pronouns as you put in that little cartoon. It's all nonsense.
I think, David, I think in Rihad it was trans invisibility day.I think we need to get that right.
Yeah, maybe that's what we need next year.Trans invisibility bloody year is what we need, because I've seen enough of these people, you know, these individuals, because I am sure there are some trans people who keep themselves to themselves.[6:41] And do what they want to do, hopefully behind the doors.And that's OK by me. I don't have a problem with that.But it's all this. I mean, let's call it again, grooming. It seems to me it's a form of grooming, one could argue.And yeah, I think it possibly is. So we need to protect children from this.
One that Joe Biden is participating directly in himself, but what would surprise us more?Not much. choccy ice cream.
Let's move on. See you soon.[7:10] Several other stories. And this is David, actually we're just going to go through David's Twitter feed generally tonight. So obviously that is the place to go for David's stream of consciousness, which never ends. But this is BBC education show in Afghanistan helps children banned from school. I'm not sure what the BBC are doing trying to educate anyone in Afghanistan, but but maybe that's where TV license money goes.What do you think, David?
Well, yeah, I mean, it's great to see this is what are the draconian license tax funds, but I wanted to know, well, I wonder what kind of education they're providing the Afghanistani kids, or they're providing them insights into the whole LGBTQ plus agenda, perhaps into trans rights, perhaps into the 97 different genders.I mean, Afghanistani kids, boys and girls, are better off without the BBC going near them.In fact, for that matter, our kids, our British kids, would be much better if the BBC weren't propagandizing them through their programs. And actually, I'll tell you, it's interesting.I've got, as you know, I've got a couple of young grandkids.[8:24] And so when they're here, we watch, I think it's, is it BBC, CBeebies, their kids.
 
What CBeebies do.
Yeah, so we watch that. And believe it or not, this is what I do, Peter, when I'm not stream of conscience.[8:41] And it's really quite absorbing because in this, and bearing in mind that my grandkids are like, you know, not even three and just over one. So they're very young and they're watching programs, BBC's pushing out.And in those programs is the propaganda. It's right there.You can see those of us who have eyes can see it, you know.So I mean, frankly, if the choice is the BBC or the Taliban.[9:08] Well,
 
That is a hard choice. That is a really hard choice, but absolutely.Can I just just let me pull in one or two people on the live chat on GETTR on the side.Chris Davis, 33. Good evening, Peter and Dave. You're first on Chris. Villan 82.Claude 1. Doubly deplorable 007. Hello, gentlemen.And Chad from PA, Pennsylvania, PA, US. Nikki Eaddy, Evening Old, Gareth1965, Evening Peter and David, Biotech Babe, Good Evening, and there are Julie, Northern Monkey, as always it goes on. Do drop, if you're watching on GETTR do make sure and drop your comments, always good to know where you're watching in the world and how you're joining in. So thank you for those comments. Let's bring up this story, which is our next story and Projam can you actually play that?[10:13] Can you play the video of that?[10:38] I don't know if it's better in slow motion or not, but I thought it was quite good.Yeah, yeah, Raffy Irvine and Anthony Pena, yeah. It's the cinematic version, David.Yeah, yeah, Hollywood production version, yeah.But this, this is the, I guess, the brutality of the French police on the French protesters not wanting to, well, I was going to say France, not wanting to work. No, I mean, not wanting to work until they die, just having been through a French air traffic control strike. But it's interesting comparing the French response to government oppression in one way and the British response and I kind of like what I see in France.
Well, it's really quite nuanced this because first of all, those people that you saw, those police men, they weren't regular gendarmerie, right?So they weren't.[11:27] So that there are because I'm not sure the regular gendarmerie are on board with all this oppression.But these are kind of specially trained, you know, like the old days in the UK, the SPG or whatever, they're specially trained units of, you know, thugs, lawful thugs.And we've seen all the footage, Paris, Toulouse, wherever you want to name it in France, where these individuals, these legal thugs, absolutely batter the protesters.And we saw this during, Peter, I'm sure you'll remember during the Gillet Jaunes protests, which I also supported. It's the same modus operandi.So it's absolute brutality.It's absolutely police state on the one hand. Now, some people will say to me, and I've had this criticism, yeah, David, but what you don't understand is some of those protesting are professional left wing agitating protesters.Yeah, it's France. What do you expect? Of course they are. You know, ooh la la, that's France.[12:31] But some of them aren't. Some of them are just people who, as you said, Peter, they're not happy about the pension age being increased from 60 to 64.So they're out on the streets.Good for them. What's the Brits doing? They're going down the pub, they're watching EastEnders, they're sitting back complacent, taking it all. I read today, Peter, I didn't put it on my timeline, but I think the plan is, maybe not for even for your age, but the generation below you, I think this government's talking about retirement would be in the 70s.[13:04] You know, the 2070s, I don't know, no, they're in their 70s. And this is, you know, basically, they want to work people to basically the end of their useful lives, and then just let them die, and no pension commitment is required. I used to feel that, you know, I used to, my mindset's changed so much, Peter, as you know, over the last couple of years, I'm way down lots of rabbit holes. And one of the things is, I do believe in fiscal responsibility, because I am I'm naturally conservative, but this is a government that can afford to spend billions and billions on the farcical COVID scam to Ukraine and all this kind of stuff, and net zero money, endless money can be spent on that.Well how about you don't spend the money on that and help fund decent pensions, British, pensions at a reasonable age, rather than keeping, you know, dangling the carrot in front of the worker so that they work to the end of their days.I actually think that maybe something like 65 is a decent age for retirement, but on a decent pension. The French get £1,400 per month, roughly, on the French state pension. The British one is about £800. So that's how lousy our successive governments are. And believe you me, Labour won't do much to improve that at all when they get in. So yeah, I'm with the French in spirit.[14:30] And if the pension age was increased by a year, and that money somehow was ring fenced, then I can understand an argument for that. But of course, we know the problem is that none of these things are ring fenced.
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah.You know, just 1% more, but don't worry, we'll ring fence it for the NHS.I mean, we heard Blair at that back in the in the noughties.Just want to increase the tax burden so they can, this is the politicians, can spend it on their particular projects. But the projects are never about making, for example, I believe that a mark of a civilized society is how it looks after its elderly as well as its young.And if you make your people work to the end of their 70s and then give them a lousy pension, I mean, that's not a civilized society. And that's kind of where we are. So we could well do to learn, dare I say it, from even the French, because even with this Macron tyranny, they're they're still getting out of it at age 64.We're 67 at the moment, moving to 68.But as I say, what do we do? We watch the footy. That's OK then, isn't it?[15:51] Well, of course, one of the reasons why anything, state pension needs to be raised is, of course, to support the the war over in Ukraine.But this is a great story.Russia, once again, another David story on his Twitter timeline.Russia assumes UN Security Council presidency despite Ukraine anger.This is the 15 members take it up for a month at a time.They were called on the US to block it. They said they're not.But it is a ceremonial position, but it is quite beautiful to see the arguments and the confusion. What do we do with this?Russia is president of the UN Security Council for the next month. It's beautiful.[16:37] Yeah, it is beautiful. And as you said, Peter, like it is purely ceremonial. There's not a lot can happen to it. But the BBC, you know, they're having an emotional meltdown. Zelensky and the gang, you know, all those corrupt crooks in Kiev, they're having an emotional breakdown about it.And I think it's glorious. It's just a superb irony. I mean, they're saying, oh, the last time they held this position, they invaded Ukraine. What will they do this time? They'll do what they want to do. And it's as simple as that. I mean, the whole Ukraine thing continues to drag on. You know, we're now beginning, I think, in the West to get the signals that, oh, well, maybe Ukraine mightn't win everything. Maybe, just maybe, there might need to be some kind of of agreement between them and Putin.So basically, I mean, Ukraine are absolutely losing this one, anyone who's following what's going out there.But from day one, I argued against this.[17:38] I think that we should never have had war or conflict. We needed peace.We didn't want to see lives being lost.But having said that, when you've got people like Ben Wallace, or what is it, what's he, the Armed Forces Minister, I mean, he's as hot for war as can be, along with most of the Conservative Party. they, the Conservative government, they want war.And so, yeah, Russia occupying this position, lots of lols in that one.Did enjoy the rich irony of that one.You would need a heart of stone not to laugh.
 
You would.[18:10] Did you, I don't know if you posted or someone else where of the FPO, the party that actually is leading the polls in Austria, the Freedom Party, and Zelensky came in for a video call to Austria and they all got up and walked out.Wow, I mean, don't you wish you could see that in the British Parliament? And there we go, looking across to Austria for some leadership on this.
 
Yeah, that's right. They see Zelensky, for what he is, an absolute grifter at the very best, and maybe worse than that again. And yeah, they all walked out. And yet, if it was in Westminster, Peter, they would all stand up like seals, and they would all applaud, you know, Slave Ukraine and all that there, they would do that.And that tells you more about the decayed state of our political system here in the UK.And even Austria shows more backbone than Britain. You know, so what is it?You know, that's disturbing for me to see the difference. We don't have any opposition to what's going on.We just have a uni party.[19:15] Well, let's move over across the pond over to the States. And this was a beautiful meme you put up, David.Wait a sec, you cannot doubt a former president for paid off women you had sex with to keep it quiet. And poor Bill Clinton must be really, really worried.
 
He's worried.He's worried. I mean, if Hillary doesn't get him, then the legal system might.That's a great Bill Clinton as well.How about that? It's a brilliant meme, actually, you know, and obviously this is relating to the, yeah, the ludicrous Trump indictment.And again, Peter, I turn this on, actually, I look a lot of these things from a UK perspective.[19:58] Probably not surprisingly.And I listened, like, for example, yesterday morning, Thursday morning, when this story broke, to the glee, the glee and the likes of, I listened to the awful talk vaccine radio with my bestie Julia Hartley Brewer. And like they were honestly, they were salivating. Oh, this time he's going down. He's going to go behind bars. He's the worst president ever.And they couldn't, you know, it's so pathetic. This is such a farcical Trump, trumped up nonsense by the Dems and their operatives in New York, obviously. It's a fully Democrat run system against Trump. I don't know about you, Peter, because I know you're closer even to the American scene than me. But I just think this will strengthen Trump. I, you know, it makes me now, I'm 100% in the Trump camp. I used to equivocate a bit between him and DeSantis. But I don't see them wanting to take down DeSantis. I don't see them wanting to stop DeSantis. I see them wanting to stop Donald Trump. And that's because for all his faults, and he, has some faults.You know, he is, I think he's the one that they fear. So he's the one that I'm 100% behind.And this stupid, you know, Stormy, I mean, Stormy Daniels owes Donald Trump 300,000, by the way. Why is she not behind bars?[21:21] Not completely. And here's another poll you put up and I thought Tim Young has hit the big time.He's got Donald Trump reposting. This is a poll now that Trump has been indicted by the New York grand jury. Who will you vote for in the Republican primary? Donald Trump 83%, DeSantos 13%, other candidates 4%. I can't see anyone else running against Trump now this has happened. It is Trump, it is the Americans, the groundswell opinion against the system.[21:59] There's no way I can see DeSantis actually being able to run now.
I totally agree with you, Peter. At one point, I thought there might be a Trump-DeSantis ticket with Trump. I'm not even sure about that anymore. I'm certain it's going to be Donald Trump.
You know, health, as long as everything stays well, it will be Donald Trump versus, you know, whoever the Democrats put up.And so this is another classic own goal by the Democrats, to my mind, and it's going to strengthen Trump's position.Certainly, I mean, it unites the whole MAGA base around Trump.I know the GOP, I know the RINOs and all of that, they'll be delighted about this.You know, the Mitch McConnell's, the Lindsey Graham's, all of those sort of token Republicans.Well I reckon it solidifies things for Donald Trump.And I hope he, I mean I would love him, I think it's Tuesday of next week when the, I think he has to go to, or he's being asked to go to New York to do the perp walk of shame.Good, because that will strengthen him even more.And I see so much support for him, I'm sure you see it as well, swelling around in social media.Some people who have not been 100% in his camp this time around, you know, maybe has he lost it and all of that. People see this and they just go, yeah, they want to take Trump down, we're going to stand with Trump and I am amongst them 100%.[23:27] Dave, I'm just thinking on when people go on your site, there's a buy me a coffee, they can support you and I would encourage the viewers to do that. I'm thinking of buy me a plane ticket and I could go over to see Trump. Do you think that's too much? I don't know.[23:41] Well, you see, I mean, you know, plane tickets, all that, all those carbon emissions, we're trying to save the planet. I'm not sure. But if people do want to buy me a coffee, like this one, go to davidvance.net. Here you go. And you can try and buy me a coffee there.I mean, it's going to get really interesting, as you know, Peter, in the next, you know, in the rest of 2023.This indictment is going to blow up in the faces, I think, of the Democrats.And I think it's going to bring the Republican Party mostly around Trump.[24:11] It makes DeSantis irrelevant. It raises questions about DeSantis a wee bit.But I see he did say that he would not allow Trump to be arrested in Florida, which is good.The indictments in New York City. So yeah, next week is going to be fascinating. You're going to see all the images, you know, but I wish Trump would be, I'd like to see them handcuff him. That would be good because they don't get it. You see, the lefties get this one completely wrong. That doesn't make us feel bad our side Peter. It makes us go, well, if they put the handcuffs around Trump, they're putting it around everybody who stands with Trump and that just energises the support. So the only one thing I do wish Trump would do. I wish he would get back on Twitter. He's missing a huge PR opportunity. GETTR's great and, you know, Truth Social and all that, but honestly, there's like millions of people he could be reaching. He'd be well advised to do that. I don't know if you agree or not, but I wish he would.
 
And not being on Twitter means he does miss your stream of consciousness.[25:15] Yeah, well, I mean, you know, yeah, maybe that's the reason for him to stay off it, I'd say to prefer. Maybe we shouldn't blame him.Let me jump, oh I see there's Charlotte Baroness of Burnley on GETTR. Great to see you Charlotte. Hi Charlotte.Who else is, there are a load of other names. I just saw your name out there Charlotte.So obviously a previous guest with David and myself and who pulled together the wonderful Comcast.But that's a whole other story.
Charlotte and I now do Twitter spaces together.So we in fact, actually, I think we're working on one on drag queen story hour between us. So that'll be an interesting Twitter conversation to tune in.And I'm sure Charlotte will put out more details of that, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.But anyway,
 
something to keep your eyes on.David and Charlotte talking about drag queens. If you want to hear what they have to say make sure you tune in to Twitter spaces on both their Twitter profiles. This is the shocking news,i'll have to change my plans, President Joe Biden or former Vice President Joe Biden will not attend the coronation of King Charles the Third.I mean, that's that weekend, and now the Prime Minister has to attend the coronation of King Charles the Third.And I thought, you know, how can you just stop taking care of yourself when you can take care of the country, and I didn't.And I tell you what, the people of the country, they all have to go to the coronation.The people of the country, I mean, that's that weekend. I had it all planned. And now I've had to change my plans.It's not worth going to.[26:44] I know. I mean, I can understand lots of people will be devastated at this news. I mean, it's actually interesting on several levels. First of all, it sort of underlines my view that I think Biden is instinctively hostile to the United Kingdom generally. I think that what it's worth. There's that aspect to it. So it's a bit of an insult. The second instance, though, I mean, I want to avoid that weekend as well. I have no interest in Charles the woke. I have no interest in what the nonsense they're going to be getting up to. I won't be watching the coronation. I won't be watching the concerts. I won't be. I want nothing to do with it because I feel totally disconnected from this. Different with his mother, Queen Elizabeth.For this guy and what he represents. I mean, this is a World Economic Forum stooge king.And so, you know, and he continues, by the way, to the politicking.[27:45] Did you mean you mentioned just to go back to Ukraine for a second, Charles, after his planned visit to France, had to be put on ice under the fact that issues over there, you know, and kings can lose their heads in France.He went to, well, he went to Germany instead and lots of close connections there, of course.The old Saxe-Gothbergs and all of that stuff.And he gave a speech and he was talking in this speech about the great connections between Germany and the UK with regard to Ukraine.So Peter, this is the point. I don't believe Her Majesty the Queen would have been stupid enough to have said something like that. That's a political statement.You know, we can respect people's countries and say, but once you go into politics, if[28:32] you're a monarch, I think you're playing with fire.So this guy, to my mind, I just, I can't, I have no confidence in him. I don't respect him.Him and Camilla, I don't, to be honest. And that probably get me into trouble with all my unionist brethren who with all their support for the monarchy, but you can respect the institution and not respect some of the people within that institution.I don't respect him and for once Biden's got it right, albeit by accident.
No completely. Staying on the US side, and you'd put this post up from Sebastian Gorka.[29:09] This is quite, there supposedly is a fact check underneath, which must mean Sebastian is absolutely correct. And this is Jacob Chansley. I actually hadn't seen him without his beautiful gear on, at least 14 months early after Speaker McCarthy released January 6 footage that proved he committed no crime. And we, I think, in the UK, forget that there are still hundreds of people who are locked up with no trial. And I thought that would be an anathema, I guess, with everything that the US stands for, which is your freedoms and rights. And you can be locked away without any chance, really, although years away, of any trial.
 
Yeah, political pr- let's be honest, These guys are all political prisoners.The January 6th people are all political prisoners locked away.But I was so pleased that the shaman Jacob Chansley has been released.But if or, you know, or fact check or whatever.The fact is, this guy is 100 percent innocent.And they got the footage that shows that he was 100 percent innocent.[30:21] But get this, they have that footage from day one. And yet, Peter, they've put him away for 18 months in the meantime.And that shows you how vile this Biden regime is, that they will punish people just for the act of actually, in this case, he was escorted.I mean, the laugh on it was, he was escorted through the Capitol by a police officer or or two.[30:43] So it's not crime. There's no crime is committed. And it wasn't an insurrection, as I've said to you previously before.That's just the Democrat myth that they've sought to put in place.But yeah, I mean, it begs big questions into the direction the US has gone.Because as you rightly observe, a country based on freedom and liberty is happily locking up people without any due justice. Any justice has not been done.And now in this case, they're releasing one. What I hope he does, I hope he sues the hell out of the US system that put him there, because he's been denied his liberty for all that time.And with a bit of luck, we get a big payday. And he deserves that, not least for the costume, which, as you observe, I mean, you and I should probably get costumes like that and do a stream in our equivalent shaman gear.Because I think I'd look good in that there.So I'm not sure if you're more hair than me, but it would sort of suit my look, I think.But yeah, good news. I'm glad he's been released. And yeah, listen, all the others need released as well.Some of them, you know, there's some elderly people as well.This is appalling what's going on. And it wasn't for people like us and others in the alternative media, you know, going on about this.Like the mainstream media doesn't give a damn about these people.They're just put away, that's it.[32:08] But I thought the only thing he's guilty of is wearing a stupid costume.To me, that's really...
 
It's not a stupid costume, it's a good costume.It's OK, I'll give you it's a strange costume. But I mean, if you want to see strange costumes, go back to...I put a clip of, again, the insurrectionists in the Kentucky Capitol building.And some of them, these were the trans insurrectionists, seem to be wearing headgear, which to my mind looked kind of a wee bit satanic, but I mean, but oddly enough, the media didn't want to talk about that.
I saw that. If I can just add, I didn't realise I was looking, because I had the story up about Joe Biden not coming, and actually in the Daily Mail article, I thought it was good news he wasn't coming.The bad news is that.Kamala Harris may come. You have to come to London, seriously, you have to come with Kamala, laughing Kamala, crazy Kamala's coming, come on.
 
Oh yeah, cackling, cackling Kamala. That'll be, I mean, it'll be great during the ceremony. Hopefully she'll start cackling during the more sombre bits, but I'll never know because I'll never be watching it. But yeah, Kamala's coming, yeah. I'm not going to go there, yeah, right, okay.
 
I just thought I would try and tempt but okay, I failed.No, I'm not going there with Kamal. I know it's too dangerous.[33:30] Okay, we'll move on. This is an interesting story you'd put up.And we could go all different directions with this. This is former Keighley town councillor.Keighley is that town you know well from the grooming gangs.Probably not related to this story at all, but former town councillor jailed for eat out to help fraud.[33:51] And there he is. He tried to steal more than £430,000 through the government's Feed Out to Help scheme, and he has been jailed. This was over a four-week period. Over four weeks, he was claiming help of nearly half a million pounds. And of course, this half a million was from David, you and me, and all our UK listeners who pay taxes. So well done on paying your taxes. So So Mohammed Ikram could make 19 fraudulent claims of 430,000.But I guess it shows the ludicrously of the system that the government paid us to eat.[34:31] Well, it shows several things. It shows that.It also shows, as you say, I mean, he's been convicted and put away in relatively short order, Peter, relatively short order.But then if we were to change the conversation and talk about the grooming gangs and the horrible crimes that have been committed against young girls in so many of our cities.Well, that didn't happen in short order, did it? Convictions so few as they were.So there's a certain hypocrisy there. I guess the government gets a bitagitated when it sees its own, the money that it thieves from us, it being thieved in due course by people like this.But yeah, I mean, imagine my surprise when I, as I think that's what I said, imagine my shock.Couldn't believe it. I mean, a fine upstanding citizen like Mohammed there, trying to put his hand into the tune of almost half a million.And of course, I reckon this is the other thing, going back to that day, that was the help out, eat out scheme, wasn't it?[35:31] So I reckon what that is, Peter, is that's the tip of a massive iceberg, because the amount of fraud that I believe happened, and I don't have any specific knowledge of this, but just a general sense over that period during the government's coronavirus tyranny time, it's got to run into billions and billions.And again, that's what bothers me. Pensioners don't get a decent pension. But the government found all those billions for this stupid scheme of Rishi Sunak's, which didn't actually even work. It only brought us a short-term economic[36:11] spike and then it dropped down again. But some people were enriching themselves for sure. So, yeah, I'm glad he was convicted. I'd like to see, of course, others convicted, not least those within in the Conservative Party government who ensured that some of their pals were benefiting from all these contracts. We've seen about the PPE and all of that there. I mean, it's not just our dear friend Mohammed and Keighley that we need to be worrying about. There's, a whole raft of people who were absolutely milking it for all that they were worth. And at the time, it was kind of obvious, but after a year or two, at least, it's good to see at least one conviction.
 
I hope there'll be many, many more.I hope so. And reading the story that he claimed for eight businesses, of which six of them were, entirely fictitious, so basically he just put random places down and the government said, okay, well, if you say Mohammed from Bradford will pay you the money.[37:16] Literally no one in government actually processing this scheme. They just trusted people to hand in in blank receipts.
Yeah, I know. I know. Honestly, you couldn't make some. Some of the stuff I put it out, and it's almost like you couldn't make it up.You know what I mean?If you were trying to make a satire account, some of this stuff was right off that.As you said, six totally fictitious accounts, checks being sent off to them.And the government will say, OK, there's another point to be made in this.The government will say, Peter, well, look, it was a time of crisis.No, it was a time of self-inflicted chaos. That's what it was, number one.And I reckon if we expanded this conversation just more generally to how the government lavishes our taxes, I think it's just symptomatic of what just generally happens.I am sure the levels of corruption, the levels of inefficiency are staggering around how the government itself operates and how it spends money.Money. But hey, that's just the nature of statism, I suppose.
We can trust our government to do what's best for us, David.I wouldn't hear anything different. So please put that cynicism away for a moment.[38:31] On to Scotland, and Scotland making, I do really despair.If any of you are up in Scotland, I do despair of what you're doing to your country.So Humza Yousaf could lose seat at next Holyrood election with labour making gains, new poll suggests. Talking about SNP dropped 8 points, labour up 7. And of course, there's a picture of a representation of the Scottish people. There it is, beautiful representation.[39:02] When I was talking to others, my point was that actual Humza Yousaf was not a great member of the Scottish Barm is only 37 being there a short time, incapable and out of his depth. And then, I assume because of the colour of his skin, because of his background, they think we need to tick that box and how dare we have Katie Forbes who's a Christian and they stick this guy in who's, out of his depth and I hope he does lose a seat. I'm assuming you think the same David.
Oh yeah, it would be so sweet if he would, I mean I was looking Peter actually, also just as a I'll come back to Humza in a second, but I was looking at a website which mathematically calculates, sort of numbers what the 2024 election result will be by constituency.And I was amused to see that Boris Johnson in Uxbridge will also lose his seat.So I can't wait for the 2024 elections to see all these individuals fall.But back to Humza, Humza useless.
 
And Richard Tice might be Prime Minister.[40:13] Because he's a solid guy that we can totally trust. Back to Humza, so I'm delighted that he won.I was in his corner all the way through because if there's one way to destroy the SNP, it's Humza Yousaf.Because this guy, as you rightly observed, Peter, every job he's held, he's been absolutely rubbish at it.I mean, catastrophically bad in everything.However, he basically is continuity Nicola Sturgeon. That's what you have to understand.So the party machine got behind him and that's how he got the position.Although isn't it interesting, he won by the golden percentage, 52% for him, 48% against him.Now when that was Brexit, people like him said, oh no, no, no, we need to have a, we, can't possibly go with that, it's too tight to call.When he wins, it's indisputable, nothing to say, move along.So I think he is going to be catastrophically bad. I can't wait.I mean, he's already saying things which are, you know, he's doubling down on the gender realignment act.It's fantastic stuff. But it's fantastic and it's not, on a serious note now.So again, okay, conspiracy theory alert coming up.[41:25] But what's going to happen is that clearly the SNP will lose some seats because this guy is going to be a catastrophe. And that's good.[41:34] Labour's going to pick them up. And that's not so good, because it just further underlines that Labour will come into power in 2024 with an absolute vengeance. And I'm saying to you now, and everyone can come back to me when we have the general election, you're going to see it's going to be 1997 all over again, or as in the Tories are going to be wiped.It might be their biggest defeat actually ever, I believe. And so, so, so this, but In the past, like with Blair, Peter, and you'll know this, student of politics, Labour always relied on the Scottish MPs to get the majority.They always historically did.And then the SNP took that away from them. And that's what essentially removed them as an electoral force.The demise of the, the shrinkage of the SNP will help Labour and, you know, I'm not happy about that, obviously. So, although it is uni-party stuff, like.So we will see.But Humzas, in the meantime, should give us loads and loads of lols.And, you know, I can't wait to get more of his policy. I laughed at his cabinet that he's appointed.Talk about, you know, they talk about we're going to have a cabinet of,[42:46] you know, of all the talents.He's producing one of none of the talents. And that's great.So, you know, and also a final thing in this one, you know, the SNP does not represent Scotland or all the Scottish people.It represents just a very vociferous, you know, kind of hate-driven minority I think.And so.[43:08] You know, I just try to sort of think, well, the SNP bubble is probably going to burst.And maybe you take small pleasures where you can find them.I find a small pleasure in the fact that Humza Yousaf, he's going to give us what, an independence in five years, he said.Five years to be independent. But unfortunately, that's meat for the faithful.The people who vote for the SNP, look, they think that's going to happen.And I well remember Peter during the first Scottish Indy, the way the SNP people, they hate on English people.It's unbelievable. It's a hate-driven party.And in a way, even Labour winning is kind of almost slightly better than the SNP.Because I don't think they can be just as hate-driven.But there we go. Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, the naive, I think we need to look upon it as these days.
 
Anyway, moving on.And actually, you said about hating English. You do, you do.And Stu on Getter has put up white, white, white, white. He also does hate white people.
So he does. Well, that's right.I mean, yeah, I'm sure you've seen it, Peter. We've all seen the clip of Humza Yousaf standing up in the Scottish Parliament And spitting out the word, you know, this was when he was justice minister.[44:33] That 96% of judges were white.But Scotland's a 96% white society.Why the hell? I mean, just basically, broadly speaking, you would expect public representation to be broadly aligned with the demographic.So if that had been a white person saying that speech and using a different ethnicity, they would have been absolutely pilloried on it.He got away with it. And it tells you more about him. I don't think, and I know everyone watching this, I'm sure we're all the same, we shouldn't judge anyone on the colour of their skin.We should believe that people should be given or get the jobs based on their merits and their ability and not on their skin colour.That seems to agitate Humza Yousaf.And maybe it's a good insight into his character as a man.
Completely. I just see on the chat, I see my good friend, balconymuppet23, who says, let's pray they don't Epstein Trump. That's a whole other story. Well, not, sorry, just.[45:39] It's great. People contact me and want to get on, get her, because they want to join in, in the chat. So, that is one way you can jump in that. What else? Yeah, two last, last two stories.Dave and I could do this all night, but we won't because David will get thirsty and everyone else will get bored.So onto this COVID, goodness, we haven't done COVID, and don't worry, here it is.World Health Organization says healthy children and teens probably don't need a COVID vaccination.So healthy children and adolescents were deemed low priority in new guidance.The WHO said traditional routine shots were more important for the age group.Wow, what a change. What have they been doing jabbing all these children if they didn't need to?
Yeah, that's the point. I mean, the World Health Organization, it's almost like a, it's a grotesque organization.As you said, Peter, and we talked about it when we've done this over the last couple of years, you know, they were pushing jabs into kids down to the age of five years old, little tiny kids.And you've got to get the jab even though they were statistically at no risk from a virus which may or may not exist, but still get them the jab anyway.And then of course we see the adverse reactions. And they were even working on could they get a jab into kids as young as six months.So that's what they were saying. And of course.[47:08] A lot of parents went with that, a lot of parents did. So a lot of very young kids.[47:15] And I'm talking like 11 and under, took the jabs, and as well as the ones in their teens and stuff, and this was to give them protection. Now 'the end of the' World Health Organization is sort of saying, well, look, you didn't really, maybe you didn't need to do that, don't worry about it. But everything to worry about, those kids have now got their bodies brimming with mRNA and all the stuff around that and to do with the implications for their health. So yeah, it's kind of shocking that having, you know, I mean, I wonder how people who took their advice, Peter, I wonder, how they feel now when they, if they even see that, you know, if they even see that where the WHO is basically saying, yeah, well, maybe not. And of course, but at the same time, though, to put it in perspective, our great British government is turning around and saying, is it from next week?Heads up, everyone, new jabs for the over 75-year-olds. All those 75-year-olds, because maybe they want to thin, they might want to thin the herd a wee bit, cull the numbers so that the pension, they don't have to be paying pensions to the people 75 plus.So yeah, it's all over. There's no consistency.We've talked about this often enough over the past few years.The bubble has burst on COVID. The dam has burst and it's coming out, and you know this after Richard Walter and all of that, Peter.The information is, we've been pushing it, pushing it, pushing it.[48:40] The facts, the problem is, well, not the problem, it's not a problem.Reality is the facts back up what we've been saying.These things aren't safe, they're not effective, they're potentially lethal, they're very ill-advised, and people should think very, very carefully before they allow that stuff into their body.We have said that from day one, from December of 2020, vilified for it by the likes of Richard Tice, by the likes of Piers Morgan, all the rest of them. And now here we have the World Health organization saying, well, oh, actually, yeah, maybe you don't need them.[49:13] And to me, this should change everything with anyone who has gone with this, that they were doing what they were told to do, jabbing themselves with an experimental substance, and then they're told, actually, you didn't need to get that done in the first place.It's too late. You've already had it. And to me, that should make anyone who's participated in this madness sit up and think, why did I get it?And it's too late. If the WHO, if the government changed their guidance after you've had it, it is too late.And I don't know why people didn't just wait to see what was going to happen.[49:50] Because they were... Now, it's an interesting one. This is, I believe, the kinder part of my mind says people were subject to military grade psyops on a likes Peter we've never seen in our lives, you know, during sort of 2020.
As were we.
You and I, David. Yes, yes, and we resist now, we resisted, why is that? Because I believe and I'm sure a lot of people following you, Peter, are the same. We're the critical thinkers, we're the people that go, whoa, hang on a second, I'm not just going to take somebody's word on this. I want to go and see if I can work it out for myself and find out and get other bits, other views. And so yes, we completely, you're right, we didn't, it didn't work on us. But the military psyops did work on about, you pick your percentage, but 80%, you know, whatever.And, but that's so many of our fellow citizens. And I find on some of my streams I've done[50:49] that even some of them have woken up now, and they've said to me, David, you know, I've taken a couple of these jabs, really wish I hadn't. And I'm going, yeah, you know, look, I understand, You know, we mustn't be hyper, what's the word, you know, we don't want to be sort of condescending and saying, oh, you silly people, if only you were as smart as us. No, no, people like to trust and to believe. I don't. So, and I suspect a lot of the critical thinkers aren't. But the masses do, the government tells them to do it, they think on balance the government's looking after us.But the World Health Organization begs to differ when it comes to this age group as well.But I wonder how much longer before the World Health Organization says, oh actually you see everybody, yeah you don't need to take these jabs.And that means everyone is now going to essentially be fooled.And I suspect that day is coming.[51:43] Yeah, yeah. Well, let's finish off again with a wonderfully good story. Not only have we found that actually all the people who gave a ticket, you didn't need to do it. And this is another wonderful story from the US CBS. Flu shot may help prevent heart attacks. Now, if this is the first that I've heard of such a substance that will stop heart attacks, I don't know if you're more aware of this than I am, but this was news to me.
It's a medical marvel. It's an absolute medical marvel. The flu shot might indeed, as you say, prevent. And now flu shot being for a respiratory disease, right? Alleged respiratory disease.[52:28] If you believe in the flu, I don't. But respiratory disease. So why would that stop a cardiac incident. See, they're not the same folks. Respiratory system, cardiac system, cardiovascular, very, very different. Why would that be? Unless, of course, it's just complete and utter spin and nonsense. I mean, these are the people that are also saying, oh, by the way, you know, climate change, it can actually cause heart attacks. Well, actually, if I listened to the likes of Greta Von Doomberg long enough, I probably would have a heart attack. But other Other than that, climate change isn't causing heart attacks.Laughing too much isn't causing heart attacks.Yeah, I'm afraid. But there might be one thing that's causing heart attacks.But as we discovered when it came to the late Paul O'Grady, we're not allowed to talk about it.[53:23] We're not. But as we're not on YouTube, just to let you know, David may be talking about the mRNA jabs that many people took.Sorry, just a little asterisk in the bottom of that in case some of us didn't get that.
I was being way too subtle. I know. Okay, let's rephrase that.The death jab might be responsible for that.
 
The clot shot as well. Which is another version of it. So I don't want David to hold back.I don't want them telling me, why did you not let me say what the truth was in any way?David, thank you as always for coming on. Let me actually, let me just show four pictures which you've shared just to finish off with. We'll not really discuss them because we have no time, but just good to leave people with some. There's David leaving us with pictures of, I don't know the people he knows or friends. I don't really want to delve into that, but these are people obviously with issues in their lives and they need more help than an mRNA jab.[54:28] This was a lovely meme. They're going to keep creating mass shootings until you give up your guns. Once you give up your guns, they're going to kill you. You know what that's right. Just for our American friends who understand this, we Brits don't have the guns, but you may in America do.Maybe we need you to come and rescue us once again. There was this, was this a video?I think it was a picture, was it?I enjoyed it.
 
It was a picture, yeah.
 
Hate crime. If you're white, drown the violence. If you're one of the rainbow colours, that was really funny.The final one was, let me bring up the final one.This one, I wasn't quick enough on the buzzer.This was on the light newspaper. And, oh, thank you ProJam. You were there ahead of me.Oh, there. And it is this, the problem with natural immunity is that it's free and that is big pharma speaking.I think that explains everything that has happened over the last three years in terms of power, in terms of money and in terms of control.And on that, David, what do you have coming up soon? What can people look forward to apart from you and Charlotte on Twitter space?[55:51] So yeah, so we've got a Monday live stream coming up. I've got a really good guy, Francis O'Neill, coming on with me next Monday.Then following Wednesday, Wednesday week, I've got, just by way of diversion, I've got a guy called Jeff from Jeff Buys Cars.It's a YouTube channel, Jeff Buys Cars. Really, really good guy.He's ended up buying his cars.But he's become more and more, let's say, awakened. And he's very interesting on electric vehicles, the insanity of electric vehicles, 15 minute cities, the insanity and the worst of 15 minute cities.So we got Jeff coming on the stream. So we're trying to mix it up a bit.And I tell you what, it is really important. I mean, I'm very grateful for this opportunity with you Peter on a regular basis.But I think it's also really great to expose our audiences to different voices.As you do as well, so that they get different perspectives, because it is really quite fascinating.You know, there's so many people out there, you know, and have really interesting views and are very knowledgeable on different topics.And sometimes I think the job that we do is still enable them to speak.[57:01] And so that's what's happening. So Monday night, 8 p.m., join me and, or Monday night, say 8 p.m., join me, and, or on replay or whatever.And yeah, we'll see how, and as I said, there'll be more stuff.Don't forget the Daily Podcast as well.Above anything else, the Daily Podcast, the hardest working podcast channel in the UK, Peter, six a day. Who can better that?None.
So, no. It's- The name you gave on next Wednesday, is that a pseudonym for Phillip Schofield, We Buy Any Car? Because that would be a weird program.
 
Well, look, and Phillips taking a break, a much needed break.[57:42] Yeah, and we're not going there as well, yeah.
 
Well, no, I just feel sorry for Gordon the Gopher.He's never been the same since.
 
No, no, I think he's undergoing deep psychological therapy.[57:54] To help him through the difficulties.
We will finish on that without going into anything.
No, we're not going to, exactly. We're finishing on Gordon the Gopher.I mean, who says that Hearts of Oak doesn't go into all the areas that nobody else wants to go to.
All the important issues, but I'll thank our viewers for tuning in.If you're listening later on Podbean or the podcasting apps, thank you very much for being with us.And for us on, what day of the week this is, on Monday, we've got Michele Bachmann.So I did a pre-recorded Michele a few days ago, obviously was candidate for the Republican presidential candidate in 2011, and is now Dean at Regent University down in Virginia Beach.So tune in on Monday for that, as you can watch that and then David later, or vice versa, I'll leave it up to you.The great thing is technology brings it to you post the event, so you don't have to just do live, but we'll leave that with you.And on that, I wish all of you a wonderful rest of your evening, enjoy your Saturday, have an absolutely wonderful weekend, and look forward to seeing you on Monday.So thank you and good evening.

Peter Mcilvenna - Grooming Gang Survivor Awarded £425k Against Her Rapist in Landmark Ruling

Today is a great day, for the first time in British history the courts have ruled that 'Liz', a grooming gang survivor should receive compensation from her perpetrator.We at Hearts of Oak are so glad to have been a part of this process along with Lord Pearson's financing, Robin Tilbrook's legal expertise and Charlie Peters from GB News' journalistic skills and we hope it can open the floodgates to thousands of other survivors.It has truly been an honour to get to know Elizabeth through this long and arduous process, her courage and strength are an inspiration to us all. It is unbelievable that anyone who has gone through such a traumatic experience must find the money to pay for a separate legal bid to force an already convicted rapist to pay compensation. Our government and MP's have accepted this situation and we have not heard of a single MP who has tried to change the law so that survivors are automatically awarded compensation from their attackers. This episode we have a brief talk with Elizabeth and then discuss this landmark ruling and ask why no one up till now has funded and ran a similar case. Why are our MP's silent on child rape. Why has no one been prosecuted in our institutions for facilitating child rape and how does this case open the doors to other survivors to get compensation from their rapists.GB News exclusive by Charlie Peters https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gangs-survivor-secures-landmark-ps425000-legal-win-against-rapistRead or listen to Elizabeth's harrowing story, available in paperback, e-book or on Audible https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snatched-Trapped-Woman-Sold-Men/dp/0008503214/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1679936701&sr=8-1Follow and support Elizabeth on Twitterhttps://twitter.com/snatched1400?s=20Originally broadcast live 27.3.23 (apologies for Elizabeth's sound at the beginning of her chat)
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The Week According To . . . Caroline Farrow

Caroline Farrow is back with us as we discuss our way through the big stories this week in the news and across the media. Expect free thinking, free speech and plenty of opinion as Caroline let's us know what she really thinks about the topics this episode including.....- Migrants could be housed on old ferries as the government ends hotel stays.- Unelected PM Rishi Sunak bans media from Conservatives’ conference.- Hey Waterstones... stop pushing dangerous gender ideology at children!- #LetWomenSpeak: New Zealand tour explodes into violence as hard left men's rights activists show the world exactly who they are.- Violent male paedophile moved to Washington women’s prison.- Uproar as Kent Police is slammed for poster classifying rapes as non-emergency crimes.- Watershed moment in the trans debate, sparked by the landmark decision about female athletes.- Humza Yousaf commits to introducing abortion up to birth and sex-selective abortion in Scotland if he becomes the next First Minister.* CitizenGo Waterstones Petition https://citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/210382-waterstones-stop-pushing-dangerous-gender-ideology-childrenIn 2010, frustrated by many of the media headlines and negative coverage of Catholicism, Caroline began a blog in defence of Catholic teaching and to reflect on UK current affairs and world events through the lens of a Catholic woman. What began as nothing more than personal musings designed to explain and propose controversial ethics and life issues to those who had struggled with them, or to de-bunk misleading narratives and headlines, soon mushroomed and popular posts would receive more than 30,000 unique visitors a day. Between 2011 and 2017, she was a member of the organisation Catholic Voices, set up to promote the defence of Catholic teaching in the public square and made numerous media interventions on their behalf and quickly became the 'go to' voice for media organisations looking to represent a female conservative Catholic point of view. Since 2013 Caroline has writes a weekly column for the Catholic Universe and has written for and featured in a number of other publications such as the Catholic Herald, the National Catholic Register, the Conservative Woman, Mercatornet, Crisis Magazine, LifeSiteNews and Church Militant. She used to write on Catholic culture at the now defunct Spectator Arts blog and has been featured in the Daily Mail, the Observer and the New Statesman. In 2013, Caroline was included as part of the first cohort of the BBC's '100 women' and she regularly features on BBC News, Sky News, ITV's Good Morning Britain, BBC Sunday Morning Live, the Big Questions and has made multiple appearances on Radio 4's flagship Today programme, Woman's Hour, the Moral Maze and the Sunday programme as well as featuring in one-off documentaries. Caroline also presented the coverage for March for Life UK for EWTN and has contributed to News Nightly and Celtic Connections. She also frequently contributes to Talk Radio, LBC and BBC local radio as well as BBC Radio Ulster, discussing matters pertaining to Catholicism, feminism and the challenges of motherhood and family life. Caroline has an eclectic career background. She began her professional life as a student accountant for a big 5 firm before succumbing to a desire for travel and adventure and became a member of cabin crew working both long and short-haul routes for internationally acclaimed airlines. Having got the travel bug out of her system, she returned to work within investment banking and private equity in the City of London until her first child was born. Caroline is currently the campaign director at CitizenGO, has 5 children of school-age, four girls and one boy and is married to a Catholic priest who converted from Anglicanism, a few years after they were married.Follow and support Caroline at the following links...GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/cf_farrowTwitter: https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow?s=20&t=Je-7QgQaAve5NCKtELcYNgWebsite: https://www.carolinefarrow.netCitizenGo: https://citizengo.orgOriginally broadcast live 25.3.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] So without further ado, Caroline, thank you so much for coming back with us tonight.
Always a pleasure, always a pleasure, Peter.
Always good to have you. And we are not short of stories, as always.Let, actually, let me, let me just see if I can pull in.Do let me know where you're watching. I'll have the, certainly the GETTR page open for your comments in there.So do let us know where you're watching we'll get to see the international flavour of fuel jumping on. So let's start with the UK and we'll start with immigration. Very hot subject. The title here from the Telegraph is migrants could be housed on old ferries as Rishi Sunak ends hotel stays. People who arrive illegally on small boats will initially be moved into decent but rudimentary accommodation, government said to announce.[1:22] And there was one figure here, Rishi Sunak expected to declare as early as next week, the beginning of the end of asylum hotels which are currently being used to house more than 50,000 migrants at a cost of nearly seven million pounds a day. What are your thoughts on this story that those who come over illegally could be put on boats?
 
It just shows what a shambolic mess our, immigration system is in. I think it's appalling actually. I mean in some ways I'm sure[1:58] many people would say well it's a deterrent, it will make only those who really have no other choice than to come here, it will make people who are perhaps what they call economic migrants think twice, but it is clearly inhumane, you know, putting people on boats, you know, to live.And it just shows that we really need to have a rethink of our immigration policy, because clearly, the reason that they're going to, well, I say clearly, the reason that this policy has been mooted is because at the moment we're spending £7 million a day housing asylum seekers or refugees. And again, I want to be really careful because when we're talking about these groups of people, we are talking about human beings who do have human rights, who do have human dignity.You know these are these are people wanting to come to Britain to make a better life and I'm not going to slam anybody for wanting to to go to a country to seek a better life for themselves you know that that is you know an inherent an intrinsic human right but equally countries do have the rights to police their borders but we must make sure that we do it justly and fairly. Now if we've got so many people coming to this country that we cannot physically house them, that we have to put them on boats, then we need to have a balanced and grown-up discussion about immigration.[3:27] What our immigration policy should be. We can't clearly just say let's have open borders. It'd be lovely, wouldn't it? It'd be lovely to say everybody who wants to come here can come here and you're guaranteed a welcome and the British people are very tolerant and very hospitable, all of those things are true. It'd be lovely if we could do that, but we are a smallish island, and our infrastructure is already creaking at the seams. So whenever you talk about immigration and whenever you talk about people coming here on boats or people making their way illegally, and you express some concern, you get tarred as a racist or far-right bigot or compared to Hitler's Germany is the latest slur, but there is an issue here. When we have got people that we just don't have, we are spending seven million a day at a time when we are so overstretched economically, when our infrastructure is in chaos, and then we're saying, okay, well, we can't,[4:24] housing people in hotels is not sustainable at seven million a day, just, you know, either in terms of the cost or in terms of how much room we have, so we've got to, you know, put them on boats, then we we need to have some serious policy about numbers, who we can accommodate you know and have and have a procedure for allowing those people who can come here.Who have a legitimate reason to be here, who have ties with this country, and who want to build a new life for themselves and work. We need to facilitate that, but equally[4:58] we can't, much as it would be great to allow every single person to come in, we don't have the infrastructure to do that. And shoving people on boats, I think, is a cruel and inhumane policy. You wouldn't like to live on a boat. We're warned of the dangers of not dehumanising people, but actually when you start putting people on boats or in army barracks, that's exactly what it does. It treats people, not as people, but as a number and a problem. That's not a humane, and I'm a Christian obviously, and that's not a Christian way of dealing with it. So it's a very fraught issue but we need some sensible grown-ups to the table and I think both sides could do with dialling down the rhetoric. So expressing concern about this and saying, you know, okay, what are the numbers we can accommodate? It's not racist.[5:57] Equally, and it's not Nazi Germany either, but equally on the other side of the coin, being really really harsh and firm and calling people names and attacking people isn't the answer either and you know and I do think we we do have to do something to stop people from coming over on these inflatable dinghies and risking their lives you know and it's not good it's not good for political cohesion because it is you know we've seen riots outside hotels which is which is terrible which is not what we want to see and we don't condone you know and And the reason, certainly nobody can condone that, and it must be awful for those people who are inside the hotels when they are subject to those protests, you know, you've got to remember that there are human beings involved.But this is because of the resentment that is building, being built up by these policies, because I think I was reading in the Telegraph, the Red Wall constituencies up north, they are having like 16 times the amount of asylum seekers or refugees that are being housed in the South and the South East.And the other point I want to make, I mean this is a very personal one,[7:14] I'm very open about the fact that my two youngest children have special needs and right now we need to get primary school places for our children and they've been turned down from six local primary schools because there are no places because they're being taken up by Ukrainian children. Now I don't resent Ukrainian children a school place at all and one might argue, well, Caroline, you're middle class, you're educated, you know, it's not as important for your children to have a place as it is the Ukrainian children. And I might agree with you, I might not, but at the end of the day, not everybody's going to have that attitude and be in a position where they think, okay, I'm going to see what I can do to cobble together an education at home.But equally, what it means is you're having to put one child over another, you're having to prioritise children for school places.We've got a crisis in the NHS and there's a crisis in dentistry, so you're having to prioritise one person's need over another.[8:23] So we can't just continue to say, OK, everybody who wants to come here should be able to come here and that's fine, without, you know, some serious thought to the question.
No completely and we'll move on but a simple way of fixing it would actually be to, actually process the people probably within weeks and put them back where they came from if they do if they are able to go back but that would be common sense but that would seem to fix the issue.But anyway moving on let's just touch on this subject quickly because I want to go on some of of the others. But I find this interesting and this is Rishi Sunak bans media from Conservative Spring Conference. Press and public barred from attending with party, claiming it is an internal event closed to media. And I know I've been to many UKIP conferences, Caroline I'm sure you've been as citizen go to different political conferences and it is quite essential I think part of the democratic process to for the meditative access to these political conferences.
Yeah, I don't think we should gloss over this actually. I think this shows we have a need for a new political settlement. This is almost like something out of Putin's Russia.[9:39] You know, the Conservative Party are, you know, years ago, the Conservative Party have always had amongst, I suppose, politics always been tribal, and the Tory Party have always had a reputation of being the elites and very divorced from the working class. They're not helping themselves with this. In the 80s, Thatcher's Tories were all about, oh yeah, you know, Basildon Man, Wolverhampton Man, you know. I mean, we're in touch with the working man and we're in touch with the working people and we want to help people make better lives for themselves. This just screams we are the elite, we are the elite, we are you know this is this is a party who,[10:23] by the looks of things, are not going to win the next general election, or they might, and this is really unfortunate actually, because the Tory party might win the next general election on the issue of gender ideology, and because Tories can say what is a woman, the Tories are also doing the right thing on sex education lessons, they're not doing enough, we need, I might get onto that later, but we need the review of sex education in classes to be independent. We can't have the Department for Education doing the review or the inquiry because they've been captured for so many years and useless for so many years, you know, they've been captured by Stonewall. But so the Tories are doing the right thing on gender ideology and they're doing the right thing on relationships and sex education, well they're kind of on their way to doing the right thing, whereas Keir Starmer can't even make up his mind what a woman is or what his stance is, and he can see what's happened to Nicola Sturgeon.But actually, the Tories don't deserve to get in. They're going to use this gender ideology and what they've done to suck up some Labour votes, but they don't actually deserve to get in.[11:35] Particularly if they're going to have their conference and they're going to shut off, media and the public and it just smacks of we are the elites and we are deciding, we're in government, we don't actually care about whether or not we get in next time or we're just so complacent we think we're going to get in. And the jargon they're using is like real left-wing Marx, you know, this is a training event, I mean for goodness sake, a training event, when has a conference been an internal training event? Yeah, it smacks of elitism, it's quite.It smacks of authoritarianism as well, you know, Soviet era, you know, group of people over there.No, I think it's very worrying and it speaks of a need, I think, for a new political settlement or a new political party to be more transparent and more in touch. You know, we're just, oh, I'm sick of politicians.
 
Oh, so am I. So let's move from this story, Let's move on to the work that you're doing in CitizenGo.[12:42] This is Waterstone Stop Pushing Dangerous Gender Ideology at Children, one of your campaigns.And the viewers can see that Waterstone, so yeah, Waterstone's UK's leading high street book retailer has shortlisted the book entitled My Trans Teen Misadventure by Lewis Hancock, a transgender identified female for its prestigious children's book prize due to be awarded 30th of March and this is aimed at 14 year olds. It's unbelievable that Waterstones would be pushing a book like this for their children's book prize and it's wonderful to see obviously the support to this petition has gained but tell us about this campaign Caroline.
 
Well okay it's not actually the first time Waterstones have done this so just before I started Citizen Go in 2019, they had another book that was about a boy who wanted to be a mermaid, and that was written by an LGBT. I think he might have been a transgender identified man, I'm not entirely sure, but certainly someone who identified as a member of the LGBT community and It was all about this boy who wants to be a mermaid and a drag queen and they nominated that as well.[13:59] And I think clearly the head of children's is obviously fully on board the woke gender train.Now the reason that this book caught my attention is because it actually has an adult advisory, on the back. So it's been nominated for a children's prize but with an adult warning advisory on the back. And I don't know if you've been into Waterstones but they have their book of their weeks, they have their promos. And being nominated for this book is, for this award is a real honour. It's really prestigious, it's going to make your book sales rocket and it's going to make your profile rocket. Now Waterstones are a high, as you know though, the UK's leading bookseller. They're really trusted, you know, sometimes you want something to read and you go[14:50] into Waterstones and you see what they're recommending and you're like, oh right, okay, I'll have a look. Now these books are being placed on tables where there's a high footfall of children and adolescents as well, so but in that kind of child and adolescence area and you'll see on the table, we recommend this book. Now the thing is, as you know I've got many children, I know exactly what they're like and they will be attracted to a book and they won't see, oh, that's for older readers.So this book has a cartoon on the front. Welcome to Hell, My Trans Teen Misadventure.It's the sort of thing that my 8-year-old son might pick up, because it looks like Horrid Henry or something. Do you know what?It appeals to a younger demographic.He would pick it up, and he wouldn't look at the warning on the back.And then he flicks through, and he sees these cartoons. Now, all children love cartoons.My children are no different. They like the Beano.They like Bunny and Monkey and Dogman. And all children like cartoons.And that's fine. And Waterstones sell these nice cartoon books.So he would see that, or my 10-year-old daughter might see this, and they'd flick through it.[15:59] Then you've got that picture, which I've got illustrating the petition, which is basically the author of this book is projecting her own experience as a woman who wanted to be a man when she was an adolescent.And it's just encouraging teenage girls to just self-hate on their bodies.So breasts are two fatty lumps that need to be gone.[16:23] There's stuff about hairy legs, you know, and then it's, you know, it points to her pubic area and it says, don't go there, an imaginary willy.I mean, no, it's just validating every single hitch from hell.Teen girls, almost every teen girl has some neurosis or anxiety about her body, that's entirely and 100% natural. This book is sowing the seeds of self-doubt, of hatred, and it's validating that and it's saying, oh, the female body is disgusting and something not to be liked.[16:57] And, you know, there's no way that just a 14-year-old would read that. Probably actually, many savvy 14-year-olds would go, oh, that's a comic book.I'm well beyond. They might actually turn their noses up at it because it looks maybe a little bit too babyish.So it is clearly designed to appeal to a younger demographic.But even if you were 14 and older, it's validating teen girls' anxieties about their body.But worse still, Waterstones then came out with, oh, this is one page out of context.No, there's another cartoon where it shows a girl being injected with either puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones.And she was going, yeah, yeah, just in time for uni.So it's kind of telling girls, oh, my goodness, you've got to get this done before you go to uni.And then you have the nurse. She's learning something from the experience.And then they mentioned Keira Bell, the detransitioner. And they were saying, oh, yeah, there was this girl.And she really regretted it.And she took them to court and made it much harder for everyone.But fine, it's all been sorted out now. And you can get puberty blockers.[18:08] And this other girl who has a beard and is now allegedly a man says, oh, yeah, this was the best thing I ever did. That's not a balanced discussion at all.That's just pushing gender transition at children. And when we see countries around the world putting the brakes on and saying, actually, there isn't the evidence to show that this is safe.We're quite concerned about the long-term health effects, you know, effects on bone density, on brain development, you know, all those things.As puberty is a time when your body is laying down the foundations for the rest of your life.[18:42] It's a completely natural process and sort of stopping with it has never ever been done before in human history and you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, is the phrase. But certainly there are a lot of concerns, long-term health concerns about puberty blockers. We're seeing young girls now with osteoporosis and arthritis, you know, and you take testosterone as a woman and it's It's very difficult to come back from that.But there's no balanced discussion. It's just propaganda.And what gets me about this, if this was like Asterix, for example, another great cartoon book. So in great literature, it's not cartoons.This is not a book that would be read in a classroom. It wouldn't be studied for GCSE literature.It has absolutely no literary merit whatsoever.Fine, of course, Waterstones are going to sell cartoon books because they sell and they're fine.And we have a phrase in our house, donut books.So certain authors and certain books, they're allowed to, you know, my kids are allowed to read them.Of course they are, but it's like a donut. You know, you don't have too much of it.So David Walliams being one of those, yeah, don't get me started.[19:59] But you know, that's, so the cartoon books are like the donut books.They're not the books that you would study all the time.And certainly, you know, not really about, and yet Waterstones have thought this worthwhile to put on a children's prestigious literature award.[20:20] I suppose Harry Potter came out too late, but you know, everyone would have sneered at Harry Potter, but, and they did, when Harry Potter came out, everybody sneered at it.Oh, it's not great literature, blah, blah, blah. you know, Harry Potter should be on there or, you know, it's not the magician's nephew, is it?[20:37] It's not C.S. Lewis. It's just a very crude cartoon book pushing gender ideology. And actually[20:46]i've been blown away by the success of this petition. This has been the most successful petition I've run, I think, in the past year, you know, and the numbers just exploded. And yeah, I'm going to keep plugging it and we are going to do some offline. What I would like to do is get a decent children's book and see if I can get a decent children's book into schools and libraries because this is a problem. Once this book goes on this list, then schools go, oh yes, it must be very good, mustn't it? Waterstones say, and same with libraries. So actually, I think there's a case for countering their propaganda with some betterpropaganda. And the other thing, actually, sort of, Peter, while I'm on Waterstones, the other thing is that they appear to have been suppressing two books, one by Helen Joyce called Trans and the other by Hannah Barnes called Time to Watch or Time to Wait. And it's an investigation of the Tavistock gender identity clinic. And lots of people have been going into Waterstones and asking for copies of these books and finding that Waterstones staff have basically hid them out back.And that, you know, they can't get them. I went into Waterstones in Godalming and asked for them.[22:12] You know, and yeah, no, I don't have any of those. No, you'll have to order them. And certainly some of the more woke stores in London, there's been reports of staff hiding them away. So yeah, Actually, Waterstones, you are a leading high street retailer and you enjoy a lot of customer trust.[22:38] Let me, the viewers and listeners can go to citizengo.org and go and have a look at those petitions. Sign it, but also put it on your social media profile, send it on to others.Don't only you go and click on sign up, but make others aware of it as well.And then you'll be passing the word and raising the concern of this and also introduce some people to Citizen Go. So go and do that.When you finish watching this, have a click on it and make use of that.Now, let's go and look at Down Under, New Zealand.Can you call New Zealand Down Under? I think you can. I don't know.I don't want to get into that argument between Aussies and the Kiwis, but UK trans critic, Kelly J Keane, there are a whole load of issues I have even just with the headline, but anyway.[23:30] UK trans critic Kelly J Keane or Posie Parker is doused in tomato sauce and evacuated by cops before she can speak during the latest rally in New Zealand as she considers cancelling the rest of her tour. And the little bullet points here are Kelly J. Keen was doused with tomato juice, said she fears for her life, fears for life in inverted commas, meaning that I don't know why they're trying to take away from that, or and then transphobe may cancel the rest of her tour, again inverted commas, the Daily Mail calling someone who stands up for the rights of women to be women a transphobe, and then puts in men in Nazi clothing also join protests, again the Daily Mail linking her with that which is complete nonsense. But obviously people can go on to Posey's Twitter account can see the violence which she has faced.[24:27] Talk to us about this, Caroline, and I know you've, I think I saw a tweet from you back 2020 when you were voicing support of Posie Parker and what she is trying to do, to stand up for women and to say that men have no right in those spaces and a woman is a woman, full stop. But tell us about this.[24:49] Well, I mean, Posie's been, or Kelly, Kelly J, has been working since sort of 2017, 2018, which was when I first met her. But yeah, she did a, so she does these events around the country called Let Women Speak. Now, these events are amazing, they empower other women. So it's an open mic event, it's a bit like some speaker's corner. So she goes and she, it's not her preaching at people, she allows women to go and take the microphone and tell their story. Now, Posey does not discriminate at all. If you're a woman and you want to have the mic, she doesn't pre-screen you, she doesn't say what are your views on this, that and the other. If you want to talk about female emancipation, well it's not even emancipation, but if you want to talk about your story about why you think men shouldn't be allowed in changing rooms or your daughter's been getting changed in Primark and she's had some man come in, she's all about, or you're a victim of of domestic violence and whatever it might be.She's all about empowering women to tell their stories. And she doesn't tell you what story you should tell.This is about helping women to find a voice.[26:04] And now, of course, a lot of people don't like that because let women speak.They don't want women speaking. And they say it's terribly transphobic.Well, I don't actually know.The first time I was called a transphobe.[26:19] I remember it was in 2011 and I just laughed, I thought this is a made-up word.[26:25] What are you talking about, a transphobe? and it is a made-up word and basically anybody who, stands up for the rights of women to have single-sex spaces and to have single-sex associations gets called a transphobe because you know men who identify as women want to be in our spaces and want to be in our groups because it gives them validation. Yeah, I'm a real woman, I'm using your spaces, I'm in your clubs, you know, it gives them the validation that they want and they need and they require, but at a massive cost to women. So it comes at a cost to religious women.[27:04] You know, particularly Jews and Muslims who, you know, aren't allowed to share those spaces, so it drives religious women out of public life. And it comes at a cost to rape victims or domestic abuse victims, people who've had a really bad experience with male violence, with rape, and they just are very, very traumatized by men and they just don't want men in their spaces.Or just normal, I say normal, but just ordinary women and girls who don't have a history of trauma but just feel very, very uncomfortable.And we're just told, no, no, no. You should accept men in your spaces.You should accept men in your sports. I remember a few years ago doing a radio interview.And I was talking about the fact that my, I think she was about 13 then.My 13-year-old daughter had been made to feel very uncomfortable because she was getting fitted for a bra. and there was men milling about.And somebody said to me, well, what have you done, Caroline, to make your daughter hate men.[28:13] It's like, no, I don't. This isn't about hatred. This is about girls' natural boundaries.And you ask any parent of any ordinary, well-adjusted teenager, when they're little, yes, they will toddle around the house with no clothes or very inhibited.And then they hit sort of 10, and the bathroom door shuts.And they start finding their own privacy, their own boundaries.And they're drawing up their boundaries. And you have to respect that.We all have our own boundaries.But actually, what we are being told is, you must be kind.You must be kind. You must be nice. And you must let your guard down.So if you're getting changed in the gym and you're getting naked, and there's a woman in there with a penis, it's your fault if you've got an issue with that.[29:01] So Posie is just, actually, Posie's just a normal wife and a mom.And Posie's been in the very fortunate position that she was a stay-at-home mom.She didn't have to work. And she got very, and she's always counted herself, actually.This is why it's really strange that she gets called right wing.She always countered herself as a lefty. She was always like, yeah, I'm a left wing woman. I'm a lefty atheist.Again, she gets pilloried because she associates with the likes of me, who doesn't agree with abortions.They're like, I mean, these, and you get this as well. even from the left-wing feminists, trying to tell her, trying to police who she should and should not be friends with, who she should and should not associate with.You know, everybody's sort of trying to tell, take Posie's autonomy from her, tell her, you know, oh, if you want to be a good little feminist, this is what you should do. And Posie, you know,[29:58] Is a marketing genius and all power to her. She's gone out there and she's got the message out there and of course, you know when you're on target because you're getting a lot of flack. So Posie has got a load of flack from the left-wing feminists who've been tarring her as a right-wing Nazi bigot and then of course that's been picked up by the trans activists. literally she's She's been in the position of just, because she didn't have to work, and she got drawn into this debate.But she's put her heart and soul into this. And just being able to put, she thought of putting woman, adult, human, female on billboards and on the t-shirts.And she's gone global. And good luck to her. And I'm not convinced, actually.So in Australia, what happened was she went to Australia, a bunch of neo-Nazis turned up and they were doing Hitler salutes.Now, I'm not sure, I don't know, but I almost wonder if this could be an Antifa...[31:09] Because who does that in this day and age? Who does that? I mean, I didn't even know that that was a thing. People going out, goose-stepping. I shouldn't laugh because the Nazi salute is not funny, it's heinous, it's traumatic and what it's associated with. But this is not, and normally, I mean I don't know, I don't associate, contrary to popular belief, I don't know anyone who identifies as hard right or far right. I don't know any neo-nazis or any fascists.But I kind of think, don't these sorts of people stay in the shadows? Because they know that their beliefs aren't mainstream and aren't going to be accepted. I mean, who does that? It goes out like...[31:59] But Caroline, do you not see it out when your local Sainsbury's or Tesco's and suddenly see 20 Nazis all lined up? Oh no, none of us ever see that. So you're right. The only way I can understand is that its staged , that's the only way it makes sense.
It's just so bizarre. And so she got all the flack, you know, for them turning up and she should have, apparently she should have immediately told them to go away.Right, okay, so Posie's five foot one.[32:26] You may have, she's a diminutive. I'm sure she won't mind me saying this.Potted Posie, no, she's a small lady.I'm not tall and she's sort of way below me. You know, so this diminutive little lady has to see a bunch of Nazis doing like a Basil Fawlty salute and tell them to go away. I don't think so. And it wasn't, whoever they were and whatever their motivation, I mean, far right people aren't going to support feminists anyway. They're not aligned with feminists. They have a very misogynistic outlook on life. And I think they were, if they were genuine far-right people, then they were obviously just leveraging, I think what the far-right are trying to do is leverage some of these issues that, you know, conservatives are concerned about, in order to maybe try and legitimize themselves and to try and get conservative support.But, but I'm, yeah, I'm very doubtful that they were genuine because it's,[33:31] As you say, it just doesn't ring true. I mean, who would be saluting to Hitler and why, you know?
It's play acting.
And one thing, if I can say, that I have admired Posie from afar.We were accused, or she was accused of being part of us, I think, because some of our team went to film an event down in Brighton.I think I have bumped into Posie once and talked to her for maybe 40 seconds.This was years ago, she probably had no idea who I was, and we went to film that thing in Brighton, the stand-up for women, and it was a public park, so we filmed, and suddenly the story is, and it's unbelievable, but yeah, I don't know Posie, Posie doesn't know me, good luck to her, we wish her the best from afar, but it's obviously these, the media, both kind of on the left and and then in the far right, they all try and paint a certain picture that isn't true, just to target their...[34:32] Yeah, and I think what's happened is very frightening to her. It must have been really frightening.Some of the pictures, people with their hands sort of on her throat. It turns out, I think it was security trying to get her away.And she said, you know, if I'd fallen over, I didn't think I was going to get up.And just the sheer naked aggression. And what was she doing, right? What was she doing?She was just saying, women can have a voice, women can speak.We don't want men in our changing rooms. We don't want men in our sports.And of course, we've had a good result with Athletics Federation yesterday as well.I think the tide is, I've said this for years, the tide is beginning to turn.But actually, it feels that there is being a significant shift.But it's awful for her, actually. Awful. and awful for the women of New Zealand to live in.
But we'll move on, but just one thing to leave the viewers is the first line, the first sentence, it gives the headlines and then it starts off in the article.This is the Daily Mail. The first word they use in the article is controversial, anti-trans.[35:43] It's controversial standing up for women's rights, women's only spaces?The Daily Mail have lost the plot. If any of you think actually the Daily Mail are on the side of common sense, that is utter nonsense. They're not. They're on the side of whatever is a good story for them and sells papers.
 
And actually you have to ask as well, when people say transphobe, like you know, they say, what do you mean? I'm not irrationally scared or whatever. You know,[36:08] what rights do you, does the transgender, transsexual community not have that they want?And I guess their answer is, we want everyone to accept that we are women, that we are the sex that we say we are.Now there is an argument, yeah, okay, I'm sure at work, people can use your new name and they can maybe use your new pronoun and people can treat you with dignity and respect.But there needs to be a balancing exercise in terms of common sense.And when somebody is being made to feel like they can't go to the loo all day at work because they feel very uncomfortable, then there needs to be sensible accommodation made.And it shouldn't be a case of, you know, the woman who's feeling uncomfortable because she's got a man in her changing room or whatever, it shouldn't be her that's made, you know, to feel uncomfortable.There needs to be, and none of the activists, a very sensible solution would be, well, let's have a third space, okay?Let's have men, let's have women, and let's have a third gender neutral.But the activists don't want that.[37:27] No, they will not stop. That is the frightening thing. Let's look, because this is one of the outcomes. We've got five minutes to spare, we'll do another four. We've touched on this, and again, sometimes you end up repeating the same stories, but just with different characters in different locations. And this is the worst one yet. Violent male pedophile moved to Washington Women's Prison, And there were some, yeah, here's the figure.So, Jolene Karisma Starr, born Joel Thomas Nicholas, is the latest male transfer to the Washington Correction Center for Women, which currently has approximately one dozen male inmates being housed in the facility.Just there, I can see the problem. A dozen male inmates in a woman's prison.But, Caroline, we see this regularly, probably every other week, another story of different parts of the world where a man, often who has been charged with rape or sexual assault of a woman, ends up with a group of women.There is no way you can describe[38:43] the suffering that then continues and the position that you put women in, putting a man who's doing that in a woman's prison.
Yeah, and it's not just the other female, I say other female, it's not just the female inmates that that person is terrorizing, it's also the female prison guards because they have to do intimate searches and all sorts.And so you're not just putting, and of course, every woman, regardless of whether or not she's an inmate, deserves dignity, respect and safety, but it's not just the inmates that are being put at risk, it's also the female prison staff.And the other thing you have to remember that is in women's prisons, most women who are in prison are not there for violent crime.[39:31] Female offending has a very different face to it to male offending. Now I know that there are women in prison for violent crime but I think the proportion, I think it's something like 75 percent, there's a very good website, Keep Prisons Single Sex, and I think it's something like over 75 percent of women who are in prison are not there for, it's for non-violent crime.[39:57] So you've got a very vulnerable demographic as well because most women in prison are disproportionately affected by domestic violence or they've had difficult lives, which is why they have ended up in prison.And we did another campaign this month, you may have seen, for Barbie Kardashian, a very violent 21-year-old who I can't repeat the things that he said about what he wants to do with his mother.He's threatened to rape, torture, and murder his mother. He's got a history of violent assault.He tried to kill a female social worker who was looking after him.And of course, Irish media, you're not allowed to talk about him in Irish media.They got an injunction out.And there's an Irish outlet called Gripped, who'd published a very detailed and telling history.And even though Barbie Kardashian, I mean, even the name just shows, tells you what he thinks of women.I can't remember what his real name is, but everyone knows him as Barbie Kardashian.[41:05] I think it's Alexandro something or other. I think it's Alexandro Gentile.But yeah, he's now known as Barbie, And he's this very, very violentprisoner, when he was jailed the guard I said, we're very worried, he still poses a significant threat to public safety and to women's safety and he's been jailed in women's, in Limerick[41:28] Prison. And when you look at his life, he's had a terrible life. He was brought up with abusive parents and his father co-opted him into domestic abuse of his mother and he's clearly very disturbed, very violent, very dangerous.So yes, you can have a slight bit of sympathy for a very disordered mindset.But it's not safe to put a man like that in close proximity with women who've already, you know, if you're a woman in prison, then you've had, most of the time, you've had a very hard life.[42:05] I'm not going to say that women should never be in prison or anything like that.But you have to accept that you're dealing with a very vulnerable demographic and they're being put at risk and so are the female prison guards. It has to stop. And in fact, if you haven't signed a Barbie Kardashian petition on Citizen Go, please do so. Because actually, every single day that goes past and these men are in our prisons, what's going to happen? What's going to have to happen before people realise the folly of this?
Let's just bring up this tweet.We'll see how much you want to admit. This is Graham Linehan.And some good news, at Flying Lawyer 73 has lost another case and owes his latest victim legal fees of £15,000.I believe now he owes between 80 and 100 grand to solicitors from a series of failed cases.Again, why is he allowed to continue doing this?Now you probably have an idea what this is about, but when people can spend this amount of money on nonsense through the legal system.[43:14] It makes you kind of wonder, well, where are our tax money going? Are they paying for it themselves?So, do you want to touch on this before we move on?
Briefly. So, Flying Lawyer 73 is Stephanie Hayden. Stephanie Hayden is the transgender-identified male who was responsible for my arrest in October, and he's also been responsible for the arrest of two other women. Kate Scottow, who was arrested, she was a breastfeeding mother, she was arrested in front of her autistic children, and I was arrested in front of my autistic children, and Bronwyn Dickinson, another woman, he got arrested. What Stephanie Hayden does, so Stephanie Hayden is a transgender identified activist who in 2018 came to prominence.[43:59] Basically trying to do a version of lawfare, so would go around trying to get people cancelled, he got people kicked out of their university positions.He tried to sue Mumsnet. It just made an absolute nuisance of himself.And he said, oh, I'm standing up for transgender rights.Now, anytime anybody says anything about Stephanie Hayden that Stephanie Hayden doesn't like, he reports them to the police and he sues them.And he claims when he reports them to the police, he trumps up the charges.So he told the police that I had posted memes about him on a forum. I hadn't.But the police were stupid enough to go, oh, gosh, that's terrible, isn't it?And came and seized my devices looking for evidence. They still haven't found it because I didn't do it.So he uses his transgender status as leverage with the police and gets the police to act as his personal militia. The police forces aren't joined up. So Surrey policewere quite surprised when I told them, you know he's had two other women arrested for this.Were like, well Caroline, save it for interview. She said, all right, save that for interview.[45:08] So it's not joined up and what Stephanie Hayden does is a two-pronged approach. So he'll try and have you arrested. He had the police called out to Graham Linehan as well and he will then sue you. He's suing me for the third time.And he sues you because he doesn't have a, to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have a job.He calls himself a lawyer, but he's not a regulated or qualified or insured barrister, solicitor or legal executive.So he's eligible for the help with fees scheme, which is for people on low income or on certain benefits.So he will take out a claim against you in the high court and he's exempt from court fees.So if you sue somebody, it's typically about 5% of the claim and he sues for unlimited amounts.So he is about a 5,000 pound court fee. And that's in place to act as a barrier to stop vexatious claims. Stephanie does not have that barrier.And because Stephanie has a law degree, they then act as a litigant in person, which they appear to enjoy very much because they go to court and they start calling Barrister as malignant friend and everyone else just cringes and dies with embarrassment for them, honestly.[46:28] So and prior to suing, he's suing my boss at the moment. My boss said, oh, I've made it.You're not anybody in the UK. You're not doing effective work, unless you're, no, joke.He'll probably be transcribing this and saying, oh, they deliberately.So he's suing me for the third time. and he says, oh, you know, she's forcing me to sue her.[46:51] Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's bringing his claim, you know, she's forced me to do this.And so he forces, you rack up a lot of legal fees defending yourself because most people, you know, can't defend themselves in the high court, and it's all about[47:07] do you know the procedure? Anyone who's been through a court case knows it's not necessarily about evidence or rights and wrongs. It's do you know the procedure? And Stephanie Hayden clearly does. And yeah, and his behaviour in litigation, but before, it's quite bad as well.Oh goodness, it's quite shocking. But before he sued all these gender critical people, he was at Birkbeck University studying for law degrees, a mature student, and he sued, you just don't want this bloke in your orbit, because he sued all his fellow students as well and he sued the Students' Union because there was some argument about internal politics, he sued his landlady, he sued his, you know, and he has a history as well as he, if he doesn't pay his rent, then, you know, they obviously then take him to court for the unpaid rent and he sues them back for harassment. So amongst his former claimants are two landlords.And it's just really frustrating because he can just keep going to the court, filing another claim.[48:17] A master, you know, an admin judge will just briefly look at it and just check that it's procedurally right and they stamp it. And this is then, you know, taxpayers' monies, both in terms of the court fees and in terms of court time that's being wasted on these frivolous pursuits. So he sued an organisation called the Family Education Trust because they had retweeted somebody and made a comment which he thought could be about him and it was to do with vexatious litigants wasting money. So they retweeted something, it was up for less than an hour and he sued them for defamation and the court, the judges dismissed it and said that the the claim was fanciful, was devoid of reality and hopeless and he has to pay their legal costs.But he already owes various other people, including Associated Newspapers, who reported on when he got another woman arrested, they reported on the fact that he'd got another woman arrested, and he said, oh, it's defamation and harassment, sued them, lost that one, and he owes them like 30,000. So he owes, you know, for most people, if you owed that amount of money, you wouldn't sleep.[49:32] So I think there's a real issue here. I mean, this isn't just about my particular issues or my vendetta, but there's a real issue with the system that somebody can exploit the court system[49:47] in this fashion and when you can't get legal aid, you know, people are scrabbling for legal aid, and yet, you know, the system wasn't set up or clearly it never envisaged the help with fee schemes that it could be abused in this way. What it's done about it, I don't know, And presumably Peter, all of this, for somebody who really despises me, so Stephanie Hayden[50:13] every time I'm on any media outlet, every time I've been on GB News, he's made a complaint to Ofcom. For somebody who says he's so harassed by me and he's terrified and me saying things, you know, me just telling the truth that this is...[50:27] a dodgy character, puts him at risk of violence and what have you. For someone who claims that I'm harassing him, he follows my every online and mainstream media move. Yeah, so I know that this will probably be played back in court or to the police and I'm not saying it to cause any alarm or distress. I think this is actually a public interest issue, particularly when it's somebody trying to make themselves a media figure. So, you know, yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's public interest and I think something needs to be done. So, yeah, there we are with that one.
Yeah. Well, let's finish with this story, which is a good story. This is in the Telegraph.The week has turned in the gender war. There's been a watershed moment in the trans debate sparked with a landmark decision about female athletes, which you mentioned earlier, Caroline, and that's the World Athletics Council, which have ruled that only those born as women can compete in[51:36] women's sports, which did seem quite common sense to most of us, but yeah, they have ruled that common sense will prevail. So it is a positive story, and I think the article talks about that this could actually spread into other areas and bring that, I guess, sense of common sense to the debate in other parts of society?
 
Yeah, I hope so. And, you know, I think.[52:04] what's been really, this has been quite a grassroots movement right from the start, you know, like we talked about Posie Parker.[52:14] But we can see there a picture of Sharron Davies. And it's just really gratifying that we've had JK Rowling and Sharron Davies.And some of these really big names speak out because someone like me, someone like Posie, we get called right wing bigots, transphobes.[52:37] But you see someone like Sharron Davies, who she feels really or Sharron Davies, isn't it?Sorry, I called her Davies. She feels very strongly about this because she was cheated out of a gold medal her entire career because of women on testosterone, these German athletes who were doped up.So she feels very strongly about fair play for women in sports.And it's very hard to portray Sharron as being a conservative bigot, for want of a better word, or for being right wing.And I think it's incremental.This was always going to be death by 1,000 cuts, because gender ideology had got so big.And it had got captured into every area of society. We said earlier, we've seen it in education.We've seen it very chillingly, as I know and Harry Miller saw and various other people have experienced.We've seen it embedded into the police service.[53:45] We've seen it embedded into every element of society.[53:52] So as a telegraph sort of op-ed made clear, it was either we kind of go along with this and we say, you know, people like Caroline, people like Posie are, you know, outrageous bigots, or actually, you know, we push back, you know, it didn't even say we pushed back, but we had a choice to be made.And I think, finally, we deviated off down the path of madness.And slowly, I think we're coming back. And I think the pendulum is swinging.And I don't, there's always a danger, isn't it? The pendulum goes.I think what we had was, we had the laws of 1957, when homosexuality was criminalized.And we've swung all the way from there, where being gay would get you locked up, and again,[54:48] that was low-hanging fruit. It was much easier for the police to arrest somebody who was cottaging in the public loo. Now, that is an offence to public decency, but it's much easier to get someone doing that than the serious criminals, whereas these days it's much easier to get someone saying the wrong thing online. So we've gone from a position where people were unjustly repressed. For someone who's often called a homophobe, I feel very strongly about the decriminalisation of homosexuality. I believe that it's a private act of morality and what you do in your bedroom, as long as it's, you know, the usual caveats with consenting adult, and doesn't involve children or animals, that's your affair.What you want to get up to in your bedroom is your affair. And as a tolerant liberal, I have no interest in telling people what they should be doing in their bedrooms.Even as an Orthodox Christian, I don't have care of souls. It's not for me to bring people to Jesus by telling them what they should do in bed.So I feel very strongly that homosexuality shouldn't be criminalized.But we've gone from a position where, because we had a section of society who were unjustly repressed, the pendulum has swung all the way over there,[56:16] to the other side. And people have sort of reacted so strongly to the oppression.It's the same with critical race theory as well, in that we've still been acting in 2022, like we're a deeply homophobic or a deeply racist society.And we're not. I think there has been,[56:36] I would say, at least for the last 20, 30 years, there has been a lot more tolerance.And rightly so, people shouldn't be persecuted.But there's still this feeling, oh, there's this terrible persecution.So we have to flood children with all kinds of propaganda and tell them how to wash after sex.And it's kind of been part and parcel of sexual liberalism as a movement, sexual progressivism, sexual libertinism. So we've gone from repression to libertinism and I think we need to sort of[57:12] move somewhere back near to the middle. And you know, I said this on my Twitter feed and I mean it, I think it's been really hard for, there have been very many sensible lesbians and gays out there that have been calling out their own community and that's been, that's courageous really actually to say, hang on a minute, I didn't sign up for this. I didn't sign up for people claiming to be a different sex. I didn't sign up for the grooming of children. You know, this doesn't help. This isn't, you know, this kind of drag queens into primary schools perpetuates every single negative stereotype that they've been trying to counter for years and years. So I'm hoping that it will, I think we're beginning to see a correction, but nobody can sit on their laurels, you know, and certainly as New Zealand shows, there are still countries,[58:11] New Zealand, Australia, America and parts of America still deeply enthralled to this nonsense and we need to really have a think about, you know, we need this independent investigation into sex ed in schools. So, yeah.
 
Well, let's see if a so-called Conservative government actually get around to doing that, but there's a whole other discussion. Caroline, as always, thank you so much for joining us and giving us your thoughts on those stories.
 
Oh, always a pleasure. Thanks so much for having me, Peter.
 
Not at all, and I encourage our viewers and listeners to go and make use of citizengo.org and do look at those petitions, do sign them and do pass them on to your friends and encourage them to do the same.And I think on that, I wish everyone watching a wonderful rest of your Saturday. Have a great Sunday.And we'll be with you on Monday evening for a special that something that we've been working on for the last two years behind the scenes.And I'm so excited that we can finally discuss it.[59:15] And that is tune in Monday 8 p.m. And we'll talk about it then.So look forward to seeing you then 8pm UK or 3pm Eastern or noontime if you're over in the Pacific on the West Coast. So we'll see you on Monday. Thank you so much and good night to you all.

Laura Sextro - Uniting Efforts and Amplifying Voices to Secure our Medical Freedoms and Parental Rights

Laura Sextro is the CEO of The Unity Project which is one of the great connectors in the US and I had the privilege of meeting her at a conference in the US last month. Although they are based in California, the reach of The Unity Project is nationwide. How they have networked and built partnerships should be a roadmap for any organisation that seeks to promote truth and freedom. Their focus has been on uniting efforts and amplifying voices to secure medical freedoms and parental rights. Laura joins Hearts of Oak to discuss how The Unity Project has grown and how the issues of medical freedom and parental rights overlap in so many ways. Through Laura's regular podcasts with focus on legislation, she seeks to educate the public and empower them to make a difference.Join us this episode and be inspired.Laura Sextro is the Chief Executive Officer of The Unity Project, including senior roles with purpose-driven organisations that include Bennufit Health, Ambry Genetics and more.Her diverse experience in multiple industries including healthcare, bioinformatics, data analytics, non profit, real estate and technology has given her the opportunity to experience many different business models. She has been responsible for managing budgets of varying sizes up to $300 million in organisations ranging from small business to Fortune 500.Laura is an active member of many volunteer organisations, presently working with the American Red Cross amongst others.She has a background in public speaking as a key note speaker and is a former contributor to the Forbes Business Council.Laura earnt her bachelors degree in business management from the University of La Verne.The Unity Project are parents, doctors, first responders, teachers and concerned citizens who have found themselves at a crossroad. They see their freedoms being stripped away, and can no longer stay silent.Standing up for the basic human right to raise their own children, earn a living, and make their own medical decisions without the tyrannical overreach that has been forced upon the people in California, across the US and around the world.The Unity Project amplifies the voices moving the needle, bringing forth truth, and providing education and resources with tangible tools and expert insights.United in a thundering voice with an imperative mission that cannot, and will not, be ignored.Connect with Laura and The Unity Project.....Website: https://www.theunityproject.org/Substack: https://theunityproject.substack.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/unityprojectUSAGETTR: https://gettr.com/user/TheUnityProjectTruth: https://truthsocial.com/@theunityprojectonlineRumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-1310104Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/5ejDMJyCgeVQkOXc3MZ458?si=wpEbCUBbR6GxTaUsxF9-OQ&nd=1Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theunityprojectonlineTelegram: https://t.me/unityprojectofficialInterview recorded 20.3.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview, coming up with Laura Sextro, CEO of the Unity Project. And I had the privilege of meeting Laura back last month at a conference in Miami. It was actually Dr. Robert Malone connected us, and he is on their board on their advisory team, I think their chief medical counsel, and anyone who has any organization that has Dr. Robert Malone involved in them as well, we're speaking to. So we had a great conversation looking at their, I guess, their focus on medical freedoms and parental rights, how they've grown from being California-based to across the whole country, and how they're one of the great networkers that we so need. We need to connect voices, we need to amplify that, we need people to know they're not alone, and for organizations to know there are others standing shoulder to shoulder with them. And the Unity Project specifically has done this so, so successfully. Not only do they have the podcast, not only have the news items, not only are they focused on legislation, but actually it's that connecting which makes them so important and so vital. So we go into all of that and I know you will enjoy listening to Laura as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
Laura Sextro, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
Thank you for having me.[1:45] Absolutely wonderful to have you and theunityproject.org, there is the website.You're the CEO of the Unity Project, which we'll get into in a little bit more detail.And the title for this, which is your tagline, I think, is Uniting Efforts and Amplifying Voices to Secure Our Medical Freedoms and Parental Rights.And there's a lot just in that line that we will unpack. But all the other links are in the description at unityprojectusa on all the social media links will be there in the description.I actually watched your interview with, it was Kim Walker-Smith actually at AmericaFest in December, and I was very jealous.I'd love to have been there, interviewing Kim, but also at the event, I would have loved to have been there.
She's fantastic.[2:35] She really is. And her story is incredible too, her personal story, which we talked about in that interview.
 
Do you want to touch on it? Because people obviously can get that on. But yeah, it was her, not only was she leading worship and she's someone who I follow for many years and I've seen actually playing in our church, She Gave Me Jesus Culture, but actually her story of medical freedom, which I think probably connects with a big issue that you faced there in lovely California.But do you want to just touch on her story?
 
Yeah. So her story, her personal story was really interesting. And to your point, it really aligns with what we're trying to talk about and to uncover and change, not only in California, but also in the country and really even the global community. And so her children, she chose not to vaccinate her child and her child ended up getting sick and she went through kind of a diagnostic process with her, you know, paediatrician and ended up that she had to take her child to the emergency room.[3:35] When she went to the emergency room, there was a battery of questions about the child's vaccine status, which was interesting because, you know, the child had come in for a health ailment, not obviously to discuss the vaccine status.So they got caught in this issue of, is your child vaccinated?And she of course said, look, I've made the personal decision not to vaccinate my child, which by the way, is a very important right that parents should retain.We're losing that right. We're very, very close to losing all those rights here in California and even other areas of the United States.So what ends up happening is she gets put into a room and the nurse and the doctor can hear them talking. And then someone comes in and says to her, you know, we could call child protective services. So they're essentially threatening her because her child is not vaccinated.And it's unbelievably troubling if you think about this. So now she's being held hostage and she goes through the whole, you know, mental scenario of what she went through, even describing, the fact that she called her husband and said, look, I might go to jail. And what I would love is for your viewers to think about this for a moment. Can you imagine making a choice that you believe is the best for your child's health based on your access to information, your access to a conversation with your medical practitioner.[4:59] And then having that medical choice, which by the way, is a natural right.It's not a constitutionally given right here in the United States.It's an actual, it's a natural right.[5:08] It is to parent your children, right? So think about being in a scenario where you've made a personal choice about your child's health and now you're being threatened to have your child taken away by a child protective services.And here in the United States, child protective services has become weaponized against parents that practice medical freedom and that actually are interested in parenting their children without the government interference.And I also should add that here in the United States, the Child Protective Services is not functioning in the way that it was intended to function, meaning it's not functioning going in where children are potentially being harmed and then taking them and putting them into a safe environment.There's a lot of investigation going on here in the United States now about CPS.There have been children that have actually been murdered while under the care of foster parents that children have been placed in through CPS.So now she's being threatened not only to have her rights taken away as a parent, but she has to think about her... I think her daughter was under the age of two at the time, being taken away and put into an environment where her child could actually be in imminent danger.[6:22] It was quite shocking.
 
It was and I watched it and it was shocking.I want to delve into that a little bit deeper, but if I can just take a step back and you personally, Laura, you've got such a diverse background, experience multiple industries.What led you to actually to the Unity project? What was that journey?[6:44] Yeah, so to your point, I definitely do not have a linear background as it relates to my professional career. I started out, I actually was an EMT instructor, which is emergency medical response when I was very young. I engaged in medical missions in South America. And I was an officer in the Marine Corps. I was a pilot. I personally have a heart condition. Actually, I have a couple of different types of heart conditions that I suffer from and I've had a personal journey of how do I get myself back in terms of health.I can no longer fly in any professional capacity. And...
Can I... What did you fly? I'm a pilot. I love aerospace. So can I just...What did you fly? Let me ask you that before we jump back in.Sorry.
 
Yeah. So I was just a private pilot. Okay.Yeah. And in the Marine Corps, I had a guaranteed air contract.And on that journey, you know, I've flown T-34s and several other types of planes.My goal, quite honestly, was to fly F-18s.[7:52] Isn't that always everyone's goal, right? And I do have quite a few friends that are still in the military and actively flying.It seems that the pilot community, it's an interesting comment that you made about the fact that you're a pilot.I always feel like it seems that the pilot community is one that tends to be in this fight, interestingly enough, and I know that we saw what happened in terms of the mandates in the aviation space, but I have to say that there are more pilots that I come across in this journey, in this particular fight, than not.I would say it's like 50-50, surprisingly, when I speak to people, they say that they're also a pilot. What did you fly?[8:33] Oh, well, I wanted to fly, I was looking military or civil, I just fly a PA-28, but 9-11 happened and that was the end of any career in the aerospace industry.So you pivot and you change.But I would have loved to flown an F-18, that would have been beautiful.
Wouldn't that be amazing? I mean, right now I think I would go for the F-35 or the F-22, those look like they're pretty fun as well.
I have got a friend who used to instruct on F-22, but.
 
Oh, no kidding.That's a whole nother story. But look, I could talk to you about this all day.Let me bring you back to what led you to the UNI project.
So here I am, I'm going along in my corporate career. I'm no longer in the military.I'm now an executive at First American CoreLogic.And from there, I start this kind of journey where how do I pair my medical experience with my professional experience.I had a passion for the medical field. I had a passion for helping people.[9:33] And I ended up landing at a company called Ambry Genetics. Interestingly enough, Ambry Genetics was doing a lot of the testing early on for COVID.Ended up leaving Ambry and I went to another genetic research company.So at the time that COVID was happening, I actually was pretty heavy in the genetic research space operating in a, you know, executive role in corporate operations and business operations and COVID hits and going along and I'm starting to see, you know, I think it was about a week after COVID hit, you know, we get locked down here in the United States and everyone's glued to their TV. And I start realizing that if, if reality is as mainstream media here in the United States is reporting, I should open my front door and see dead bodies lying all over the street. I mean, it was that dramatic. So it was pretty quick, quickly, you know, in, in the beginning of COVID that I realized something was, was a miss. There was something wasn't reconciling with what was being reported and what reality seemed to be.And so I had to sit down and really make a decision, how do we want to approach this as a family, personally? And I made the decision early on, it's just always been who I am, to ask a lot of questions.[11:01] And we started seeing schools, of course, are locking down, our communities are locked down, and then the vaccine happens.And then we're faced with the choice of, do we inject our self with something that is experimental?And I wanna be very clear, these vaccines here in the United States are still experimental.They're still under an emergency use authorization. They are not FDA approved.Although at this point, I don't necessarily know that FDA approval[11:27] carries much weight, and we can, I'm sure, dissect that.So my husband and I said, what are we going to do? Because we're going to get to a point where neither one of us can actually engage in mainstream society.Our child cannot engage in mainstream society. I knew very early on I was not going to vaccinate my children for this, not until I had a deeper understanding of what this was.And so the decision was made. Look, we've got to get into this fight.And so I ended up meeting a group of women that were also very passionate about this.And because of my corporate background, one of the first things that I said was, listen, we've got to approach this almost like a business development role, where we're looking for and seeking out other organizations that are in this fight, that are doing this type of work, and they're doing it effectively.And our goal was to become a conduit of communication and collaboration.So we launched with about 60 groups that were already in this fight.They were primarily based in California.At the time, we were pretty myopically focused on the K through 12.That's really the elementary school through graduation in high school here in the U.S. community, right?Because we were very concerned about what they were doing to children.[12:44] And that grew, right? So now we're focused on all parental rights and medical freedom.We have over 200 organizations across the globe that are partnered with the Unity Project.And as I said, working together in a collaborative way.And they range from parents groups to more organized groups.We work with vaccine injured, we work with firefighters, we work with medical professionals.So we really run the gamut of people that are concerned about what's happening in this country and in the global community as it relates to parental rights and medical freedom.And I should say that, you know, parental rights and medical freedom, there's an intersection[13:24] point there that a lot of people don't realize.And so we've branched out now and we're talking about everything from radical gender ideology and what's happening to, you know, critical race theory.One of our newest board members is Curtis Hill. Curtis is a former attorney general for the state of Indiana, and he's a black man, and he is particularly passionate about stopping critical race theory in the schools and in corporate America.
Well, let me pick up on that networking, because I think Unity Project not only unites organizations and initiatives, but shines spotlight on bills, legislations, let me touch on that.But with the networking, I think over the last three years, we've seen a collapse of any norms left and right.And it's very different collaborations that have appeared and we've needed new connectors.I think Unity Project is one of those key connectors. I mean, tell us about that because often organizations will be busy doing what they're doing, but I'm always intrigued with organizations that focus so heavily on that networking and collaboration which is essential.[14:33] It's critical. I mean, I always say you can't be a party of one in this and move the needle forward.We have to come together as a movement, as a people, as various organizations, and make sure that we are working in lockstep.It's certainly not without challenges. And to your point, everyone has their particular passion, right?Whether it's, I'll say REACT 19, I don't know if you know Brie Dressen. She runs REACT 19.I'd be happy to connect you. She's phenomenal.And she sadly is someone who is severely vaccine injured. She is one of the first people that engaged in the AstraZeneca trial.She runs REACT 19, which is a group of thousands of people that are vaccine injured that have come together.They're doing incredible work.And it's very important that their message get out there, and that we are able to connect them with other organizations.We work with attorneys groups that are doing incredible work.They're at the tip of the spear here in the United States from a legal standpoint.[15:42] Litigating cases that have to do with parental rights and medical freedom.And so it's been a very interesting journey, but what we found is that, whether you're focused on the legal aspect or you're focused on the vaccine injury aspect or you're focused maybe on the mandates as it relates to children, there's always an intersection point.And it's actually been a really inspiring journey that we've had over the last year and a half as we work with these groups and connect them.It's been exciting to watch how if we make a connection point with another group, then all of a sudden a strategy starts to form and we're working then with multiple organizations putting together joint calls to action.[16:29] Tell me about the vaccine injured. What's that like? Because we have a number of events, actually we've got an event coming up this Saturday, which gives a platform to those who have been vaccinated, vaccinated to speak. And we have only one member of our parliament who actually speaks up, Andrew Bridgen. What is the situation like in the States regarding those people being able to have a voice and a platform?
 
Yeah, it's probably much like what you're experiencing, you know, unfortunately there's a very vested interest from the pharmaceutical companies as well as the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, even the presidential administration, to silence these individuals. Because obviously if you start talking about the folks that are vaccine injured, then it calls, it sheds light on the concerns that we've all been speaking about with regard to these particular vaccines. And so they have a very vested interest to be silenced.It's quite awful what they're suffering from. Not only are they suffering physically and emotionally, but they're now, they're subject to people that are persecuting them on social media.[17:38] Even in the media. We have some mainstream media over here that will publicly call out and and ostracize and make fun of people that are vaccine injured.It's quite repulsive. The other unfortunate consequence to this, and again, this is probably something that the folks where you are also suffering from that are vaccine injured[18:02] is when we do not acknowledge that people are vaccine injured, that also creates an environment, where they're denied access to care.So can you imagine people that are vaccine injured, maybe they have a neurological disorder, maybe they have a cardiac disorder, and they're going to their mainstream doctor, whether it's their general practitioner, or they end up going to a cardiologist, and they're being told things like, you know, this might be depression if you have a neurological disorder, or, you know, myocarditis is totally normal.We're just going to give you a pill and we'll send you on your way.So what's happening is they're being dismissed and they're not able to access care.So if you think about the crime that's been committed, there's this crime against humanity that's been committed, and it's continuing to be perpetrated, especially for the people that are vaccine injured, because they're suffering and now they're not even being given access to some type of medical intervention to help them with that vaccine injury.
What is that, the response from your politicians, we've seen some high-profile politicians speak up about it.Is there any kind of help or assistance for those people? What is it like in terms of politicians stepping in and actually beginning to provide help and assistance.[19:24] We're starting to see some. We've got some that are, you know, Ron Paul, excuse me, Rand Paul.We've also got Ron Johnson, Jim Jordan, Ted Cruz.So we've got quite a few on the conservative side. And I want to be clear too, the Unity Project, we are a non-political organization.I always say it really doesn't matter where you fall on the political spectrum, unless you're so extreme that you believe children should be genitally mutilated when they're infants.Outside of that, and by the way, I should add that I believe that that group of people represents less than 10% of the overall population here in the U.S., and I would even venture to say globally.It's just that they have a very loud voice, and they've created a lot of fear, so people feel as though they can't speak out.So even though we're not a political organization, unfortunately, the media and the political establishment has very much made this a political issue.I mean, I always say, look, here in California, there was a bill that was being pushed that said children as young as 12 years old can make their own medical decisions without the knowledge or consent of their parents.[20:44] So think about that, you send your kid to school and at 12 years old, they can go in and make their own medical decisions aboutanything sexual, they can make their own medical decisions about vaccines, any number of topics that should be resting with the parents, not the government, not the school.And so I always say, you know, it really doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum.I think we can all agree that a 12 year old probably doesn't have the mental faculty and understanding to make and engage in their own medical decisions that could be life ending, certainly irreparable damage to them. You're obviously you mentioned you're in California there and that's really the part of the the front line or the epicentre of some of the the madness and I mean tell us about that because obviously we know in the UK it is state by state and it isn't across the country but that certainly shows exemplifies the real battle line.[21:50] It does, you know a lot of times people will say I'm frustrated with California Californians. It's just crazy there We're gonna move and we've actually seen a mass exodus from the state of California. This is historic, exodus from California, but what I always say is look California is the tip of the spear when it comes to bad legislation here in the United States and And what happens in California tends to trickle across the US.So it's really for the rest of the country to look at and dissect and understand what's happening here.[22:22] And stop what's happening here in this state.I mean, we have a battery of legislation like never before. I mean, COVID was used as a tool behind closed doors to author terrible legislation and then push it through virtually uncontested.So we had bills that ranged fromthings like kids can't go to school unless they're all vaccinated.We had bills that said kids obviously can make their own medical decisions.We just discussed that one.We had bills that say, and this bill passed, I think it was SB207.It passed. It says that we're now a sanctuary state for genital mutilation.So that essentially means that anyone can come into the state of California, they can have their child receive what's called gender affirming care.And I have a problem with that terminology in general because there is no such thing as gender affirming.There's no such thing as transgender. Transgender is an actual made up word.You can't trans, infers that you're in transition of something.There's something called a transvestite, which is where a person from one gender dresses and acts in another way, or another, excuse me, dresses and acts like another gender, right?[23:41] And so this particular bill has implications outside of just the act of physically harming a child.It actually says, so let's say I'm in the state of Texas and someone takes my child, let's say it's an aunt or an uncle or a friend, and takes my child into the state of California.We've crossed state lines.[24:05] I could potentially lose custody of my child, right, in addition to going through the process of having my child genitally mutilated.So there's huge implications. And the scary part about this is that particular author, Scott Weiner, who's a state senator here in California, and he also happens to be the author of a majority of these terrible bills.He has said that he is so proud of this bill that he is working with 19 other states to author similar legislation.And we're seeing it in places like Vermont and New York and other areas, and even in states that tend to be more conservative.We still are seeing bad legislation. So one of the things that we've done on our website, we're in the process of developing this, is a nationwide campaign to call attention to bad legislation and also good legislation because we are seeing some states really push back on this and develop laws that fight against people's ability to harm children.And so we're going through and we're dissecting that and people can, will be able to go on our website, pull up whatever state they're in, and get a list of both bad and good legislation.[25:18] Let me come back to that. But can I ask you, you mentioned about not being political, and that must be difficult because obviously it's become a Republican-Democrat issue. In the UK, we don't have that divide. It's just all bad. So we don't have that pushback. Supposedly, conservatives are conserving, but they're not conserving anything, over the last 13 years.So how is it to kind of be in this space and not be political when the political ideologies are there for all to see?
 
Yeah, I mean we tend to be invited to a lot of conservative events. We are still waiting for our invite to some of the more left-leaning events. But what I will share, and it's been interesting and I think educational for me is that,[26:10] you know, politically, I have always leaned more conservative, and that's a public point that it's not hidden, that's no surprise to people.That being said, a lot of our biggest supporters, especially donors, are people that are on the left, and they've come to us and they've said, listen, we feel politically marooned.We don't know what our political party is. We're the party of, you know, John F. Kennedy.We're the party where we want to help the American people.We are not the party of telling children that they can be 17 different genders.We are not the party of telling children that are white that they must repent for the sins of their ancestors.We are not the party of saying we're going to tax the American people an exorbitant amount and give reparations to the black community, a community that a lot of these individuals, some of them can't even tie their ancestry back to slavery here in the United States.And I think there's some high profile people that are going through that right now.[27:26] And so interestingly enough, we have people, believe it or not, that are aligned with the the left or the traditionally the left that have now sought us out and are very interested in supporting this mission because, you know, one of the things that I'm starting to believe here in the U.S., we do have our traditional political systems, right?We've got the conservative party, we've got the liberal party, we've got libertarians, we've got, you know, but the primary dominant political aspects are the conservative and the left-leaning parties, the Republicans and the Democrats.[28:00] Unfortunately, the Democrat Party has been mutated, and I don't think that it's intact anymore in the sense that, let's say, someone who is traditionally a Democrat can identify with, can align with.And so those people really are looking for another party to associate with.And we're seeing more and more people come over that were traditionally Democrat coming over to the Republican or the Conservative party. So it'll be an interesting journey and evolution of the political parties here in the United States once I think we come to the other end of this, what we're experiencing.
Yeah, we're having exactly the same thing here, where the traditional values of the left have been completely wiped away by a lunacy of progressivism and wokeism and voters now no longer know where they stand when they traditionally vote and they're still in that mindset traditionally we vote for this side therefore we continue even though what is happening appals us but then they've got nowhere else to go here in the UK and the US has been the same as generally being a two-party system and that's I guess where individuals like that will struggle.
That's correct yeah we're seeing it here in the US for sure.[29:25] Unity Project, if you go back to that, brings a whole wide range of, I mean looking at the website, you've got podcasts, you've got news, you've got different events, you've got the press, you've got the whole partnership and networking we've talked about, you've got the legislation side. I mean tell me how kind of all those different aspects fit into what you're attempting to do.
So, I've always been a believer that you approach this probably in a holistic way, right?There's no way you can win this or move the needle forward by just saying, look, we're going to educate people, or we're going to approach from a legal standpoint, or we're just going to focus on the political aspect.If a country goes into battle, you very rarely would ever, I don't think ever, have a military assault where you say, we're just going to have a land assault, or we're just going to have an air assault.There's multiple aspects to this campaign, if you will.And so for us, it's really important that we address to the extent that we can, every one of those aspects.We want to educate the American people and the global community about the dangers of the vaccines about the importance of parental rights and medical freedom.We want to engage in a media campaign.[30:53] We're working, as I said, with several attorneys that are doing incredible work legally[30:59] to fight what's happening with people that are vaccine injured.They're also fighting the bad legislation.We had a bill here in California called AB2098. I don't know if you've heard of this bill.[31:11] But it was, I say it's probably the single piece legislation that is the most destructive to the medical system.And what it did was it said any doctor that goes against the COVID narrative could potentially lose their medical license.So let me make sure that I explain that because this is a really important point.So let's say that you're an endocrinologist and you're treating a patient for a known autoimmune disorder. And let's say you've been treating that person for years for this autoimmune disorder.If that patient comes to you and says, how do you feel about the vaccines?And you say to them, based on your medical history of an autoimmune disorder, I believe that you may end up having an adverse reaction to this vaccine, and I have to recommend against taking it, that doctor could lose their medical license.So it's the total destruction of informed consent. It's the government and the pharmaceutical companies inserting themselves in the doctor-patient relationship. It's a First Amendment violation.So it was just a terrible piece of legislation. The governor in California actually signed it into law as of January 1st, 2023.Dr. Aaron Carioti, who is our chief of medical ethics, and several other doctors filed suit, and we were able to get a preliminary injunction.And so that's an example of some of the legal work. And that's really, really important because can you imagine going to your doctor[32:41] and having this idea that you're not having an open conversation with your doctor about, your medical ailment. That conversation is being guided and restricted by the pharmaceutical companies and the government. So there's legal, going back to your question about kind of, everything that we have going on, there's legal. And then of course, there is some political.We're a 501c3 and that's a nonprofit. And here in the United States, if you're a 501c3, you can only do 20 percent political work. So we don't do a lot of political work. We also don't do a lot of political work because obviously we're not a political organization and we want people across the political spectrum to work with us. So we wouldn't align ourselves regardless with one political affiliation or not. But it is important for us to call attention to the legislation that's happening. That's critical. One of the ways that here in the U.S. a lot of of this has happened is that people are unaware.You know, there's been this incredible censorship campaign, which I know you guys are experiencing as well in the UK.And so I spoke at an event and there was about 600 people.And I said, you know, just by show of hands, how many people in the room are aware of[34:00] SB 866, which is the bill that said kids as young as 12 could make their own medical decisions without the knowledge or consent of their parents. Less than four people out of 500 raised their hand. So it was quite telling to me that, you know, if the American people were truly aware of what was happening legislatively, I don't think that they would be able to get much through uncontested. You know, one of the things that happened to us was we took an excerpt out of the california.gov website of one of the bills. It was literally a cut and paste.[34:35] Put it on our social media of one of the bills that was being proposed. And we were told that we were going to be shut down for mis or disinformation. We fought it and we won.But that is an example, I think, of how aggressively these political parties and these authors of these terrible legislative actions are fighting, right?So that's a big aspect for us as well, is making sure that people understand what is happening legislatively so they know where they can get involved.
Yeah, the same here. It's that threat of punishment if you speak up and therefore people remain silent out of fear of losing their job, their children, anything like that. But then part, of that pushback, I guess, is the podcast highlighting some of those issues. Tell us about those.
Yeah. Well, we've had many issues. Actually, the podcast is where I get to have a lot of, fun and interview a lot of amazing guests. And we don't keep it just tied to the vaccines.We've spoken to everyone from doctors and scientists to activists and everyone in between.I actually did an interview the other day with Jennifer Say.She was the former president, And[35:57] was on her way to being the CEO of Levi's Strauss. Have you heard of Levi's?It's not a small company, and she talks about her journey of how she was cancelled for speaking out about the school closures.I did an interview with Tim Kennedy. Are you familiar with Tim Kennedy?Tim is an interesting guy. I would recommend following him. Tim is probably, I would say, the number one special operator here in the United States.If you remember in Afghanistan, there was a group of people that kind of clandestine organization that went in and rescued about 12,000 people from behind enemy lines.That was, really Tim had a lot to do with that.He's in a documentary called Send Me and it's on Amazon. It's a phenomenal documentary.And Tim was a former champion UFC fighter. He's an MMA fighter.So he's got this really incredible background.And we had a long conversation with him and Matt Boudreau. Matt's his business partner.They've started an organization called Apogee Strong.[37:07] And it's all about mentoring men. And so we had a long conversation about the war on masculinity and how this is one step in destroying the nuclear family and parental rights.And so that was a real fun conversation.We work with James Lindsay. I don't know if you know who James Lindsay is, but he's fantastic. We just had him on and we talked all about, you know, the education system and the Marxification of the education system here in the U.S.And tomorrow we'll be doing a Twitter spaces event[37:41] with Matt and Jennifer Say, and we're going to be talking about how the education system here in the U.S. is actually not broken. A lot of people talk about how the system is broken.It's actually not broken. It's working exactly how it's been intended to work.And we are now a century into this type of education, and we're seeing the impact that it has had.And again, it has been very, very effective. So it's been, the podcast is fun, the Twitter space events are fun.We get to really hear from a whole host of people. We hope to have Dennis Prager on shortly to talk about freedom of speech and how that's been impacted here in this country.And in the US, we are very passionate about our constitution.We are very passionate about our first amendment, our second amendment.And that's, interestingly enough, that's not something that we talk about a lot here at the Unity Project, but it is something that I think is critically important.The Second Amendment really guarantees all of our other amendments, and so including our ability to parent our children in the way that we see fit, because we believe that, there is no greater right than your right to parent your children, free of the government intervention.[39:07] If only we in the UK had that, we have nothing like that, but that before I get too depressed, I'll hold off on that. You mentioned some of the great names you've had on the podcast and you've also got great names on your team. Obviously, Dr. Robert Malone connected us when we were there in Miami, tell us how you've kind of pulled together such a great network off, I guess, a team as an advisory role.
Sure. Yeah, that was something that I cannot take credit for. Jeff Hansen, who is our chairman[39:43] was really responsible for helping to launch FLCCC, which is the Frontline Critical COVID Care Alliance, run by Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Paul Merrick. And so, because he was so intimately involved from the very beginning, he had a pretty good relationship with a lot of these doctors.And so Jeff reached out to Dr. Robert Malone, who's our chief medical officer, Dr. Aaron Carioti, who's our chief of medical ethics, Dr. Peter McCullough, who's on our strategic advisory council, Dr. Harvey Reisch.I mean, the list goes on.We're quite grateful to have this powerhouse team of doctors and scientists.And, you know, early on we explained, look, this is critically important.Obviously the work that they're doing is vital, bringing attention to the medical and scientific aspects of what's happened once it relates to COVID.But there's this, again, this whole concept of how do we get this information in the hands of the groups that are actually doing the work and tie these groups together so that we can work in lockstep?And that's really how it came together with those doctors and scientists.And they're fantastic. I mean, we're talking about[41:02] individuals that have been publicly persecuted, have lost their ability to function in their previous careers, have been socially ostracized, have been the target of media campaigns.I mean, it's really been a tremendous journey for them.
Tell me all about, your focus initially was California, and you've grown past that, although California needs more help than most.But tell us about that growth, because what you're doing, obviously in California, is that networking, highlighting, that's needed across the country.So tell us how you've grown.[41:42] How we've grown outside of California or how we've grown in California?
I mean, as you've consulted in California, then realize what you're doing is needed across the country.
You know, it's been a couple of ways. We've done it somewhat organically.So when we started, we started hosting these calls. We were hosting calls once a week within our network.And then we were inviting doctors to speak.We were having webinars where we were asking our, we call them strategic partners, to promote the work that they're doing and to connect with the scientific community.And then we started having organizations outside of California that, in the global community, it actually started reaching out to us.As an example, we had a group in Australia, Voices for Choices, they've reached out to us.They're very active in Australia. We have groups actually in the UK, the World Council for Health was one of our strategic partners doing a lot of work.And so the growth interestingly enough has happened organically.And there's an aspect to this that is through that organic growth that is somewhat concerning, in that it seems like a very small, I guess, movement, right?[43:07] Everyone kind of knows everyone. And I say concerning because my goal is to have this movement be so vast that we're not so intimately familiar with one another, right?We have that many people in that many organizations that are doing the work.
Yeah, not completely. I think that's all our goals to take it past those limitations and restrictions and make it much wider.Can I ask just as we finish, individuals watching maybe have an organization they'd like to connect or just individuals wanting to[43:44] be more of a part of what Unity Project is doing, tell them how they can get more involved whether they're organization level or just an individual.
So they can go to the unityproject.org and there's all kinds of resources from an individual standpoint.We've got recent like scientific and medical data that's on the website.We've got a podcast and reading books, a whole segment on recommended reading.We've got resources on how to speak to your school boards.I know in the UK, it's probably different, but I would imagine that in some sense, you've got parents that are there that are just as passionate as the parents here in the United States, maybe more so, right?[44:31] And in the sense that you alluded to the fact that you guys don't have as many parental rights as we do here in the US.So maybe people in the UK are galvanized and ready to stand up and say, look, we are going to raise our children in the way that we believe is the best way.So there's resources on there. There's also the ability to reach out and connect with other groups.So we have every one of our strategic partners linked on our strategic partner page, and they can go through and see the work that's being done.And if there's someone or some organization that they're particularly passionate or aligned with, they can connect with those organizations. They can also connect with the Unity Project, and become part of our database.And we put together joint calls to action all the time where we reach out to everyone in our database and say, look, we need your help getting out information in this area.So if they go to the unityproject.org, whether you're an individual or an organization, there's ways to connect with the work that we're doing.[45:35] Okay, Laura, thank you for your time. I have obviously seen the Unity Project and then it was great meeting you there in Miami, but what you're doing is fantastic. That networking, that connecting, and also the educational side is absolutely fundamental. So thank you for coming on and sharing what you are doing.
 
Thank you for having me. This has been fun. I would love at some point to have you on our podcast so we can talk about what's happening in the UK. We had Katie Hobbs?
Katie Hopkins.
 
Hopkins.
 
Thank you.
 
She's a force of nature. She's phenomenal.
She really is. It was one of my more fun podcasts, I will say. She's quite energetic, but it's inspiring, right? And so I would love to hear about what's happening in your communities and how you guys are fighting back and the tools that you're using, because this is not just a United States issue. This is a global issue. And I think that the more collaboration we can do globally, the more we're going to be able to fight back against this.[46:44] Oh, completely. Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing. All the links are in the description for all our viewers or for listening on any podcasting apps, Podbean then. It is also there. So thank you so much, Laura.
Thank you so much.

Alex Newman - The Deep State: Fact or Fiction?

Alex Newman returns to Hearts of Oak to help us to unpack The Deep State. Alex has his finger on the pulse like few others, his daily show and regular pieces in publications like Epoch Times cover so many current issues but four years ago he wrote a book on our topic this episode.What is the Deep State and why is there such a backlash against those who seek to expose it? Join us as Alex answers these questions and illuminates this clear and very present danger.Alex Newman is an award-winning international journalist, educator, author, speaker, investor, and consultant who seeks to glorify God in everything he does.In addition to serving as president of Liberty Sentinel Media, Inc, he has written for a wide array of publications in the United States and abroad. He currently serves as a contributor to the Epoch Times, a correspondent for the Law Enforcement Intelligence Brief, foreign correspondent and senior editor for The New American magazine, a writer for WND (World Net Daily), an education writer for FreedomProject Media, a columnist for the Illinois Family Institute, and much more.Over his career as a journalist, Alex has interviewed current and former heads of state, members of Congress, royalty, and countless other fascinating people. His work, which has received numerous awards, has been repeatedly highlighted by Drudge, Breitbart, Fox News, and many other outlets. His writing has been published in major newspapers across America, and his PR work has appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters, the Associated Press, and more.In addition, Alex has authored and co-authored several books. One of his major works was an exposé of government schools with internationally renowned Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld called Crimes of the Educators published by WND Books. It was endorsed by conservative leaders ranging from Phyllis Schlafly to Ron Paul.Across multiple platforms and with tens of millions of views on his videos so far, Alex also hosts and co-hosts a number of shows. Alex hosts The Sentinel Report on the Frank Speech network which reaches many millions worldwide. Separately, he hosts Behind The Deep State and Conversations That Matter. Finally, he co-hosts Unravelling the Narrative.Alex is on the Leadership Council of Freedom Force International, one of the premier liberty organizations in the world. He also serves as a director for the organization Bear Witness Central, which works to protect and preserve the U.S. Constitution by educating the public in partnership with other conservative organizations. Alex is a Leadership Fellow at the James Madison Institute, Florida’s premier free-market think tank. And he serves on the advisory board of Citizens for Free Speech.Alex has a B.S. degree in journalism from the University of Florida with an emphasis on economics and international relations, as well as an A.A. degree in foreign languages from Miami-Dade College. He also studied international relations at the Institute Français des Alpes in France.Follow and support Alex at the links below...The Sentinel Report TV show:https://frankspeech.com/shows/sentinel-report-tv-show-alex-newmanLiberty Sentinel:https://libertysentinel.org/GETTR:https://gettr.com/user/AlexNewmanTwitter:https://twitter.com/ALEXNEWMAN_JOU?s=20&t=evt_r4vYv-FbhWUa2yqkxAFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/alexjnewman86LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-newman-9109845/'Deep State: The Invisible Government Behind the Scenes' and 'The Deep State: Pulling Strings From Behind the Scenes' available on e-book from Amazon...https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deep-State-Government-Constitutional-Principles-ebook/dp/B08LHH4HGZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=alex+newman+the+deep+state&sr=8-1https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deep-State-Pulling-Strings-American-ebook/dp/B079QFPM9H/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=alex+newman+the+deep+state&sr=8-2Interview recorded 14.3.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak, and thank you for joining us for another interview with Alex Newman, just coming up. Alex was with us back in July, and he's joined us to talk about the Deep State, Fact or Fiction. He has written a book five years ago on the Deep State, and it's a massive term, one that's misunderstood, one that there's a lot of pushback when you address, which always makes me curious. So we delve deeper into it, and Alex was able to share his input, his knowledge on what the Deep State is and look at some of those organizations and institutions that are using, how the media engage with it. Alex of course writes everywhere, he is on so many channels, he is the founder and president of Liberty Sentinel Media Inc, he writes for Epoch Times along with many other organizations, appears on many programs and is on Lindell TV every Monday to Friday at 4.30 Eastern Time which would be 9.30 p.m. UK time. You can catch him there. I know you'll enjoy listening to Alex as much as I did speaking with him. Here he is.
 
Alex Newman, it's wonderful to have you back. Thank you so much.
 
It's wonderful to be here. Thank you so much for having me Peter.
 
Thank you for having me yesterday on your show. The first time on your show it's great to be on it and I've watched it. I've watched it on on Lindell TV and obviously the website.So it was great to join you. Thank you for that.
I was an honour to have you. Thank you very much. It's great to have a British perspective sometimes.[1:50] I think Americans are very inward focused.We just focus on America, but it's really great to hear from somebody who is in another place, who's dealing with the same kind of things, only a little bit further advanced.It's a good warning, I think, that Americans need to hear more often.
No, absolutely.[2:07] Well, Alex was with us back in July after I met him at the AFA conference over in LA.He is the founder and president of Liberty Sentinel Media Inc.And there the link is underneath there, libertysentinel.org.And I think today we're gonna look at the deep state.I put it, fact or fiction, a lot is written about it. And I know Alex, you have written about this and people can get that on the website. We'll put the link in the description, the deep state exposed. We'll touch on that a little bit.And so of course I need to let the viewers know if they're not watching Lindell TV, they can catch you on Monday evenings. Is it once a week you're on?
No, it's actually a daily, every weekday.Yep, every weekday from 4.30 to 5 New York time.So.
 
Liberty Sentinel, they can get you on that. Maybe just go back, what was your vision?[3:08] You set up Liberty Sentinel what was your vision for it? What did you want that to actually achieve?What was your idea behind this?
Actually, we set it up as a college newspaper, believe it or not.I was in college, this was 2007. And I got together with a group of, we got liberty minded people, liberty minded guys. And we decided, you know, all the newspapers are fake.It's all propaganda.We need something for this community and for the surrounding area to have good information.So we created that. It started off just a once a month print publication with an online component and very rapidly grew.And pretty soon we were distributing, you know, 15,000 copies a month throughout, what was it, eight or nine counties. After college, we didn't really prepare successors.So we kind of shut down the paper.I kept the company. And the thinking was, you know, I don't know what I'll need this company for in the future, but today it's a lot of different things.We produce content for a lot of the biggest and greatest media outlets out there.I write a lot for the Epoch Times. I serve as senior editor for the New American.I do five or six other shows.We work with all kinds of different people.[4:20] Just trying to get reliable, accurate, truthful information out there from a biblical perspective, from in our country, we have our constitution, from a constitutional perspective, for the purpose of informing, educating, and activating, especially Americans, but also people around the world on these issues.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, if I can bring up where people can get, or when they go on the website, That's what you'll get.It's packed full of articles with the videos there as well. So make sure and make use of it that that's not on your list of places you have a look at each day.It is well worthwhile.[4:58] Now, the book, it was five years ago, actually, you were at the Deep State Exposed.And that I think has become a term that encompasses a lot of the control, the agenda, the attack on truth, reduction of value of the individual.And it's a term that's actually not used that much in the UK.[5:19] So maybe we can go back to that point and you wrote a book on the deep state.Do you wanna just unpack the meaning of that? Because two thirds of our viewers will be UK, a third will be US. And it may be a term which isn't deep inside people's minds in the UK.
Yeah, thank you, Peter. And so I actually chose the term because it was starting to become part of the popular lexicon in America.There had been a poll commissioned by one of the universities, the Monmouth University Polling Institute early on during Donald Trump's presidency.And they found that 75% of Americans, and this was pretty evenly distributed across both parties, believed in what the pollsters described as a deep state.Now, they defined the deep state in the poll as a group of unelected military government and other individuals who were seeking to control the national policy of the United States outside of democratic means.It was some, you know, don't quote me on that, but it's a rough paraphrase of how they define the deep state.And I think that is actually a decent definition. And so we were at the point already in America, actually the, I first did a special report in the New American Magazine on the deep state.That was about five years ago.And then about two and a half years ago, we turned it into a book.Deep State, the invisible government behind the scenes. I probably have a copy here.[6:39] I do. And I went all over the country doing talks on this subject as well, on the Deep State because it was really coming out of the closet, right? And this was something I had been exposing my entire career as a journalist, this unelected secretive network.I go a little bit deeper. You know, yeah, there are the forces in Washington, DC, the permanent bureaucracy, you know, some of the forces within the intelligence community, things like that that have been caught over and over again, doing things they shouldn't do.But there's also another layer behind that. And in the book, I define it as the deep state behind the deep state.And these are the organizations that are less known. Some of them are technically secret.Others actually have a website. They publish membership lists, like the Council on Foreign Relations.The counterpart in the United Kingdom would be the Royal Institute for International Affairs.These are very, very powerful organizations.That don't necessarily operate in the shadows, but people don't really understand what they do.Of course, you have the Bilderberg group, you know, 120 plus weirdos and their minions come together.And I actually snuck into one one time, that was fun.[7:42] You've got genuine secret societies like Skull and Bones, we have at Yale University here.We've got the Bohemian Grove out in Northern California. I'm sure you guys have your own in the United Kingdom.And, you know, I started noticing a pattern as I started investigating these things.I started noticing that they were all moving us generally in the same direction, all moving us away, from the concept of nation states toward first regional and then global governance, moving us away from individual liberty, God-given rights protected by the constitution toward this more utilitarian technocratic view of government that the individual is more of a cog in the machine.[8:20] So, that was very disturbing to me. And I actually related directly into the Bible.In this book, I actually outline that what I think is going on here is we're dealing with a struggle against evil. The Apostle Paul describes it in Ephesians chapter 6 as a battle against powers, principalities, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places. And so, is every member of the Council on Foreign Relations working for Satan?No. Well, maybe, but not consciously necessarily. I was brainwashed with this stuff too. I was taught in school that countries are bad and that's why we have wars and if we want to get rid of wars we got to get rid of religion we got to get rid of nations and just move to this one world kumbaya United Nations so I think that really is ultimately my understanding of the deep state I used the term because it was already in the popular lexicon but I take it a step further than say your average person walking down the street might understand
 
And of course there is a[9:16] backlash, which always intrigues me whenever when you speak in something you suddenly find there is this backlash, not a backlash of engagement or discussion, but of ridicule, of smearing.Do you want to kind of touch on that? And certainly we've seen it the last three years on COVID, but it goes back further than that. Whenever you touch on certain things, you find you're told you're not supposed to discuss that.
 
Yeah, and what we're seeing here is actually just a more advanced form of what Pavlov did with the dogs.And actually, they start training the children for this very early on in their so-called education, which is really a fraud. There's very little education actually happening in public schools in the United States.But this is a conditioned response. It's a conditioned behaviour.So just like the dogs start drooling, you know, when they hear the little bell ringing.And so the people start drooling when they hear the term conspiracy, right?And they actually don't even know what the word means. They just, conspiracy, that just means something stupid that's not true. No, get a dictionary, conspiracy means two or more people working together in secret for immoral, illegal or wicked intent.[10:22] And so there are conspiracies everywhere. Your average person understands this very well.Businessmen conspire, right? If you ask an average person walking down the street, do you think businessmen might conspire to extort you out of money or raise their price?Well, of course they would, right? We all understand that.Might politicians also, oh no, that's a conspiracy theory, right?And they start drooling. So this is not actually a result of logic or reason.It's not that they're processing evidence.It's that they have been conditioned, first in the schools and then later through the media, to just start drooling.And of course, I'm using drooling as a proverbial, right? But, well, that's silly or whatever buzzword of the day.That's racist or that's homophobic.Or that, you know, just pick your buzzword that they've been trained to spout when they're exposed to the stimuli.[11:06] And that's what you get. That's a conspiracy.And so you end up with a large segment of the population that is actually impervious to reason, logic, or evidence.And I think that's how the deep state likes it. You know, more and more, this is falling by the wayside.I think more and more Americans, especially, and I think it's probably true in Britain as well and in other parts of Europe.I spent a big part of my life in Europe, but Latin America, Africa, you know, I have people that I speak with regularly all around the world.I think people all across the planet are starting to realize that, you know, they may not know all the details, but they're starting to realize that, wow, there really are people who want to undermine our nation states and undermine our individual freedoms and move us toward a system that at the very least we never consented to, and at the very least we haven't voted on, right?And so I'm encouraged by that. But yeah, there has been a very deliberate process of trying to ridicule and marginalize people who point this out, which of course is exactly what you would do if you were trying to secretly undermine institutions and values that people cherish.
No, I think whenever watching Trump from afar running and winning in 2016,[12:13] The vitriol against him was one thing, but it seemed to be something more than that. And certainly I hadn't, from being a student of politics, had not seen anything on that scale before. I mean, what were your thoughts around that time? Because it seemed as if there was something bigger against this individual who was standing than we'd seen ever before.
There absolutely was. And that's because the deep state, to borrow the term, to continue at this term, understood that Trump was not necessarily part of them. He was not controllable by them. And you know, you don't have to agree with everything that Trump ever did or said to recognize that he was kind of like a human wrecking ball, right? He had his own ideas. He was going to go in there and do those things. And he didn't care what the fake media or anybody else thought.And you know, for many years in his life, he was actually close to some of this machinery.But he also came from a background that I think deeply disturbed them, right? Early on in Trump's presidency. In fact, it might have even been before he was elected. I went to Roger Stone's house and to Roger Stone's office and we filmed some interviews. And this was for public, right?This was not a one-on-one conversation. This was for the public. And Roger Stone tells me, yeah, Donald Trump, he comes from an amazing background. His dad was a good friend of Robert Welch, the founder of the John Birch Society. His dad was one of the major funders of the John Birch Society.[13:32] John Birch Society is like kryptonite for the deep state. They start freaking out.It's like throwing water on the wicked witch of the West.Because the John Birch Society has been trying to fight this for 60 plus years.And so when you have Roger Stone, a very close aide and advisor to Donald Trump, saying that Trump's dad was John Birch Society.Trump, of course, was mentored and worked very closely for decades with Roy Cohn, who was on the board of the Western Goals Foundation, which was founded by Congressman Larry McDonald, who, in addition to being the chairman of the John Birch Society, was the most conservative, the most anti-communist, the most anti-deep state member of the US Congress.So much so that the Soviets ended up shooting down his airplane in 1983.You know, he really made a lot of people mad. And so Roy Cohn was on the board with Congressman Larry McDonald. Congressman Larry McDonald was kind of like a Donald Trump, you know, just a human wrecking ball when it came to stopping the machinations and the plans of the establishment.And so Donald Trump came from this background.[14:28] It was very obvious that he wasn't going to be a conventional politician.It was very obvious that he wasn't going to be taking marching orders from the Council on Foreign Relations.Or he actually was the only Republican president in the last hundred years who hadn't gone to go visit these clowns at the Bohemian Grove with their weirdo rituals that they do.And actually, apparently they had talked about him there. Some emails were leaked from Stephen Harper, who was the Prime Minister of Canada and Colin Powell.And Colin Powell had written to Stephen Harper, no, sorry, to the former Defense Minister of Canada.He said, I got to sit next to Stephen Harper And, you know, we had some nice chats and we all agreed Donald Trump is terrible.You know, we got to stop Donald Trump.So within the kind of organizations and networks that we kind of broadly classify as the deep state, Donald Trump was viewed as very dangerous.And even after he was elected, they continued to come out of the woodwork and say this.I've got a video that I used in my presentations across the country on the deep state of the former head of the CIA, John McLaughlin.Saying he was asked on a panel discussion. So Donald Trump is whining that there's a deep state out to get him and that they want to remove him.Is that true?And I think she was expecting the guy to say like, what an idiot, what a conspiracy theorist.And he actually says, thank God for the deep state.[15:41] Wait, what? You're thanking God for a deep state trying to take out the elected president of the United States?Did we just hear that?You had Senator Chuckie Schumer, the leader of the Democrats in the US Senate, said on Rachel Maddow, this weird guy who's got a TV show on MSLSD, Asked him, you know, about Donald Trump.And Chuckie Schumer says, yeah, you know, the intelligence community has six ways from Sunday to get back at you. So Donald Trump better be really careful.Who says that? What's that supposed to mean? Are you going to shoot the guy?Are you going to, you know, put fake news about him in the media?What tools, what six ways from Sunday does the intelligence community have to get back at the elected president of the United States?And so I think it was very obvious.Again, you don't have to agree with everything Donald Trump said or did during his presidency or before to realize that there was a very powerful network, not just American, but global, that absolutely hated the guy.And even though every once in a while he'd throw him a bone, you know, he'd meet with Henry Kissinger, he'd pursue some policy that they were pleased with, ultimately he was a human wrecking ball to their agenda.He got us out of the UNESCO. He got us out of the World Health Organization.He got us out of the Paris Agreement. I mean, these are all critical policies that the deep state has been working on for a long time. And here comes this guy, and in just a period of a few years is destroying the whole architecture that they'd spent all these decades building.So they'll never forgive him for that. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw, you know, another SWAT raid on Mar-a-Lago and they bring the CNNs and stuff to drag them out in chains.[17:10] But yeah, they hate him. And I think the reason why is obvious.
Because I think every president really up to that point kind of fitted in the jigsaw. They fit it neatly in. They were in one of two parties that stayed in their lane. And then you have someone coming, an enigma that blows out of the water. And it was interesting to see the, I guess, the split in the Republican Party of a fear that someone was coming in that was maybe uncontrollable and they were losing that control of their own party.[17:44] Yeah and you know there's always been this struggle within the conservative movement and the Republican Party. It's been going on for many many decades. You had kind of the establishment faction and the grassroots faction and the establishment faction really has been primarily represented by I would say National Review and William Buckley. You know if you actually go back and read William Buckley's position, I mean the guy has a lot of troubling connections. He was a member of the Secret Society. I mentioned Skull and Bones at Yale.He was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He worked for years for the Central Intelligence Agency in Mexico City. He was okay with abortions. He was okay with what he described as a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores to supposedly deal with the Soviet Union. So, you know, on a traditional political spectrum of where Americans are at, William Buckley didn't really fit very well in the conservative side of the spectrum. And yet, the New York Times and the and the Washington Compost and PBS, they all trotted him out as the conservative.He was the representative of responsible conservatism and anyone who didn't line up behind William Buckley was somehow irresponsible or extreme.And so we saw this in the 2016 election, right? National Review did a whole issue about stopping Trump and they brought all their clown car out and everybody wrote the article about why Donald Trump is so scary and so dangerous.And the conservative movement and the Republican Party laughed at them.They said, you guys are clowns, right? We don't care what you think.You're not the leaders of the conservative movement.[19:07] And so at that point, I think the establishment wing of the Republican Party really was destroyed.I mean, a lot of them are still there, but they've had to camouflage themselves.They've had to pretend to be conservative. They've had to pretend to be MAGA, if you will, to borrow a term from the modern lexicon.[19:22] But a lot of them were just pushed clear out, right? Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, another leading figure within what was the establishment Republican.I mean, there's no genuine grassroots Republican conservative today in America who seriously cares what Bill Kristol thinks.I mean, the guy's a joke to the extent that anybody knows him, he's a joke.Same thing now today with National Review.National Review hasn't been to CPAC since Trump won the presidency, because they realize they're not really part of any actual movement anymore.They're kind of this fringe, you know, they don't quite fit in with the Democrats, because they like more war than I think the Democrats are comfortable with. But they certainly don't fit in with the Republicans.So they're kind of out in the wilderness.And that was all a result of Trump's presidency. He was the first one that was able to really.[20:07] communicate this to the American people in a way that they would understand, in a way where the media couldn't suppress it,[20:13] Because it happened very rapidly, the discrediting of the media completely among conservatives.Because it used to be, you know, the media could come in and play air support and kind of do damage control whenever the truth started leaking out.But with Trump, Americans, and this became very clear after the election, Americans who supported him were inclined to believe almost the opposite of what the fake media said.So if the media said, well, National Review said Trump is bad, and National review is the standard bearer of the conservative movement, conservative Americans would say, okay, I guess the conservative movement is actually not led by National Review, National Review must be a joke.And so you saw this really big rift in conservatism that was there for decades and decades.There was always this power struggle within the party.Do we want constitutional, Christian, limited government, God-given rights, or do we want this kind of establishment brand of neoconservatism, right?Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol's father was kind of one of the founders of neoconservatism.And he actually admitted once that it was kind of Trotskyite in orientation.[21:10] So this struggle existed for decades and decades. And then Trump's presidency kind of finally blew up that struggle.You know, and I think the final contest there was Liz Cheney running for office in Wyoming.I guess really somebody that was a political newcomer. I mean, I knew Harriet Hageman.She's been in some of my talks.I've known her for years. You know, nice lady.But National America Republican Party had not heard of Harriet Hageman and yet she crushed Liz Cheney like a bug.I mean, it wasn't even a contest. And I think at that point it was clear to everybody, all the analysts, everybody that the what was used to be the establishment wing of the Republican Party was basically not just impotent, but ground into dust.[21:50] Yeah, well, I'm just back from CPAC, which was a, I don't know if I dreamed about CPAC, certainly daydreamed about it. And you compare it to what we have in the UK, and it's got that energy, that razzmatazz, that showbiz, that, and it was great to be there and to the energy there.Obviously, Trump spoke at the end for, I think, an hour and a half, and really good speech, although didn't raise it to high decibels as such, but bang on so many of the topics.But I kind of look when you look, you're wondering whether, I mean when he got in in 2016, whether actually people know him much better, they are even more afraid of him, in many parts of the country, and whether that fight for this time will be even worse, even harder, even more brutal than it was before.[22:48] I think it will be. And it's very interesting now. The establishment has realized that they're not gonna be able to run one of the regular milk toast fake Republicans.I mean, the idea of Jeb Bush seriously running in a Republican Party, nobody can take that seriously.It's a laughing matter.Nobody would seriously consider running an establishment Republican.And so what's happening is the establishment Republicans now coalescing behind Ron DeSantis.And, um, you know, I, I spent hours and hours in Ron DeSantis's office.He used to be my Congressman, always, you know, pestering him about the votes that were less than ideal.[23:22] He's my governor. Of course, you know, he was at the meeting we were at just a few weeks ago, had a chance to speak with him briefly there. And so, you know, I really don't have a personal problem with Ron DeSantis. He's been a great governor. He's my governor.He's certainly the best in the whole country. But I think the reason the establishment wing of the Republican Party is coalescing behind Ron DeSantis, and this is a really good sign to me, is because they realize there's nobody else who doesn't have credentials as a hardcore conservative willing to punch these clowns in the nose that has any chance of winning against Donald Trump.And I think that they're more terrified of Donald Trump than they are of Ron DeSantis, because Ron DeSantis is still, you know, something more of a conventional politician.He doesn't throw out like insults that are gonna embarrass these people for the rest of their lives, right?And so I think they're like, you know what? Maybe Ron DeSantis isn't the policy guy that we like, but at least he's not Trump, and he has a chance of beating Trump.And so, you know, let's marshal our forces behind him. So it's gonna be really interesting.But I think just the fact that this is where the Republican Party at is a really good sign.[24:21] You know, Ron DeSantis has been a standard bearer for the freedom movement, actually.And he could have done better. Of course, he's a human being like anybody, but he did, early on he succumbed to some of the hysteria and did a few of the little mandates, but very rapidly he turned that around.And he actually protected the people of Florida from the craziness that was affecting most of the rest of the country.And I know, cause I live here, you know, we really didn't have mandates from the local, from the county or from the state level where I live.Life just pretty much continued as normal. Never did anyone here tell me to put on a face diaper, never did anyone tell me I couldn't do something if I wouldn't take the thing. And so, and I thank Ron DeSantis for that, you know, he really led the way. And so I'm frankly pleased that I know a lot of conservatives are very worried about the possibility of Trump and Ron DeSantis kind of of destroying each other and dividing the conservative movement.And I think that's a fair concern.[25:11] And I share it, but I also think there's a silver lining here.And this shows you that the American people are breaking free of the fake, you know, uni-party, the fake two-party system where they really all agree.And they're demanding somebody who's going to actually be bold and courageous and standing up for the rights of Americans against the tyranny that has really run almost unchecked for so many decades now.So I think that's encouraging. And actually, at the meeting we were at just a few weeks ago in Miami, I spent a little time with Anthony Sabatini, a lot of time with Anthony Sabatini.I would say he was our best legislator here in the state of Florida by far, took on all the crazy COVID stuff.And he planted a seed in my mind that I haven't been able to stop thinking about.He said, you know what? This is really gonna be good to have Ron DeSantis and Trump running because they're gonna both have to run to the right.They're both gonna have to run as real conservatives. That's gonna change the Overton window in this country.The fake media is no longer gonna be able to keep the debate confined within this dumb little box.They're gonna smash it wide open.And yeah, it's gonna be interesting.But yeah, the media is gonna do everything they can to attack Trump like they did last time, the deep state will as well. I think potentially even including criminal charges that we may see soon.[26:22] But it's a fascinating time to be alive.
 
Well, it is. And you talk about the media and it's interesting to see how, with Trump, the media coalesced against him, but generally how they've come together against many of the values.And I don't know whether that means the media just a useful idiom, a pawn used by others, or whether they're more part and parcel of the evil we're seeing?
 
Well, I think at the highest levels they are absolutely part and parcel of what we're seeing. In fact, I mentioned the Council on Foreign Relations several times. That's the sister organization of your Royal Institute for International Affairs. Actually, Cecil Rhodes set up this huge global network, and it's described in a book I have behind me. It's called Tragedy and Hope, Cecil Rhodes, of course, the mining magnate who made his fortune in South African mining.And when he died, he left a will and he created this whole global network.And he really was interested in globalism. He kind of talked about we want to spread English civilization around the world, but I think that was really not his primary objective.But in this book, the historian who writes it explains that actually in the United States, the chief outpost of this international operation is the Council on Foreign Relations.[27:39] So you have the CFR. Now, CFR has corporate members, right, which is interesting. And what you'll find is that a lot of the major media organizations in this country, the conglomerates that own, you know, massive media holdings, in addition to other things, right, not just media, they're corporate members of the Council on Foreign Relations. In fact, until not too long ago, News Corporation, which owns Fox News and the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post, was a corporate member. Some of the Murdochs have been members. In fact, I think some of some of the Murdoch children still are members.And so, yes, the media is absolutely a part of that. Now that doesn't mean that your average bozo who's reading a script on the television is consciously participating in the subversion of American values, but at the highest levels of these companies, absolutely they are.[28:24] And I think the American people have started to see through this.They might not know all the details, but we've been getting poll after poll after poll now that shows the overwhelming majority of Americans realize that the media is not just biased, right?Bias was one thing, everybody's biased. I think even the concept of unbiased media is rather unrealistic. You can be fair, but everybody's got a bias and it shows up in who you're gonna interview, what stories you're gonna choose to write. I mean, we just need to be honest and say that.[28:48] But this is not bias. This is an issue of dishonesty. And the latest poll that I saw, I think this came out within a month or so, was that the overwhelming majority of Americans now recognize that the media is consciously deceiving us.They're lying to us. And that's way beyond bias.And I think, again, the 2016 election showed that pretty clearly.You had the mainstream media absolutely united in lockstep.There was no major media outlet in this country that came out in favour of Donald Trump.Of the big networks, the Media Research Centre did an analysis.It was 92 or 93% negative coverage of Donald Trump.When he was mentioned, it was in some negative context. Of the top 100 newspapers in this country, I think two endorsed Donald Trump. So with all the media united against Donald Trump, What happened?[29:34] He won in a landslide. And so, you know, obviously Americans are not paying as much attention to this nonsense as they used to.And I think in many cases, and I think a lot of the people who control the media realize this, in many cases, when the media says something, Americans are just automatically inclined to disagree with it.Like with Ukraine is a good example. A lot of Americans could have been brought to bear to support Ukraine, but when they see the media supporting and when they see Joe Biden supporting, they're like, no, I don't want anything to do with that. And that's where we are now as a nation.I think the majority of Americans now completely reject the media.Many of them, even to borrow a term from Donald Trump, as enemies of the people, which I think that's a dangerous term, that's a communist term when you start calling people enemies of the people.But I think a lot of Americans are there now. They say, CNN, CBS, ABC, they are enemies of the people, and they might not be wrong.[30:24] One thing that excites me, and if it was all up to,the hope of America being in Fox media wise on the right. That would be depressing, especially as we've seen what's happened to it.But the proliferation of other alternative media outlets, you're obviously very much part of that in the US.And it was great going to CPAC, walking along media row and seeing so many different podcasts, different TV shows.And of course, in the corner, you've got, you couldn't even get past because Real America Voice, Steve Bannon was there, Lindell TV next door.There's so much, and that seems to be more difficult, I guess, to control when it's all independent.And I think for me, that's one thing that it excites me looking ahead.[31:17] Yeah, and I think this trend has been emerging for a long time.The internet really broke it.You know, when I was in journalism school, I was at the University of Florida, which is considered one of the top journalism schools, and they were always telling us, I mean, in class, you know, these professors who had been executive editors of major, you know, left-wing propaganda machines called newspapers in the big cities, they'd always tell us, I mean, just drill it into your head, you all are the gatekeepers.You're gonna control what people are gonna say. And I would just laugh, like, I guess these guys haven't figured out that the internet exists now, right?Because, I mean, already YouTube was out there back before it was owned by the totalitarians at Google, the fascists at Google. You could find anything you wanted, right?And so I think these people were still living like decades earlier, where the media actually was the gatekeepers that had already ended.They just hadn't realized it.And it's taken a while for this to develop. But I do think we're at the point now where probably the politically dominant forces in this country are now largely informed by alternative media.And if you go from state to state, right? You turn off CNN, you turn off Fox and you go just to different state capitals.What you'll find is that the state legislators, the people who are making the decisions that impact our lives, our County commissioners, our mayor,[32:26] they're getting their information from these sources that used to be alternative media or conservative media.Now they're just the media. That's just where people go to get their information.CNN is a joke. CNN has less viewers at prime time than ancient freaking aliens, right?I mean, CNN is a joke. They really, they've lost their viewership.At prime time, they often get less than a million people watching.And most of these people that are watching are not really politically active.It's like people in a nursing home that are forced to watch a CNN or people that are trapped in an airport that have no interest in watching what's on the screens up there.[33:00] You know, these are not the people that are going out and working their hineys off for candidates.These are not the people that are donating to political parties, right?And so I'm really encouraged by this. The media monopoly has been broken.And you saw it so clearly in 2016. I think this is why the fascists at YouTube freaked out.And again, you know, you don't have to agree with everything Alex Jones has ever said. I like Alex Jones. I go on his program sometimes. But, you know, what we saw in the 2016 election, he was absolutely mopping the floor with the fake media. His YouTube channel was getting more views than ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, New York Slimes, Washington Compost combined just on his YouTube channel.And so they saw this and they're freaking out.[33:39] They're like, wow, the people who actually vote, the people who actually determine elections, they're not getting their news from us.We have billions of dollars, but they're getting their news from this guy in Texas, Alex Jones has got a radio show in a TV studio and they panic.And so, you know, the YouTube, it wasn't enough to just shadow ban him, right?Because in a free marketplace of ideas, that the new media was absolutely crushing these people.So they couldn't have a marketplace of ideas, even in a rigged marketplace of ideas.Because first they tried the shadow banning, you know, they tried to break their algorithms so you couldn't find what you were looking for.And still the new media, the alternative media was crushing the legacy fake media.And so they finally said, well, we just can't do this anymore.We just have to delete these people from the internet so that no matter how hard you look, you can't find them.And that still didn't work.And it's not going to work. There's a hunger for truth out there among Americans that no matter how hard the fascists in Silicon Valley[34:32] try to suppress this information. It's not gonna be suppressed and we're seeing that we're gonna continue to see that There are too many millions of Americans who are awake to this now They're gonna have to do something much more drastic than shadow ban us or kick us off of Twitter to stop this information from coming, Out.
 
I do love how Alex Jones triggers there everyone and it is a joy to behold and how they've gone after him makes you think actually there is something there if they're going after him with such verocity and aggression and beyond anything we've seen before.But you're on, people can watch show on Lindell TV and that's another platform by Mike Lindell who also is vilified by the media at large by the left.And I mean, I love the way someone who in effect is kind of the American dream, where he's come from a back road of addiction.And then now has pulled himself up, has built a business in my pillow, and then also has a TV station. And that kind of the American dream, that's what is needed across the US, across Europe, really.[35:38] It is, it is. And yeah, the media has demonized him like crazy. And guess what?Just recently they did polling to see who was gonna be the most popular candidate to lead the Republican party, to serve as chairman of the RNC.And Mike Lindell was far and away the biggest one, the most popular candidate.So, you know, we're at the point now in America where if the media demonizes you, people like you.If the media says you're bad or you're a conspiracy theorist or you're extreme or whatever, people automatically say, well, that guy must be good.And so this is a good spot to be in, you know? And I don't want people to get the impression that I think everything is just rainbows and unicorns and we're just a clear path to freedom now.I'm not saying that, but we are at a point now where the media has been totally discredited, totally defanged, and now new voices are rising to the top and that's as it should be.And you are one in the United Kingdom and even here in the United States.And there are just this whole new ecosystem of voices and platforms and shows and blogs and websites and magazines.The Epoch Times is another good example.I mean, this was completely unknown two decades ago. Today, it's one of the biggest newspapers in America.It's a number four, if I'm not mistaken, in subscriptions behind the New York Slimes, the Washington Compost and the Wall Street Journal. Last I checked, they're at like 1.7 million subscribers.[36:54] And that happened very, very rapidly. And I write for the Epoch Times.I love the Epoch Times, but how did that happen?It's because they're telling the truth. People are hungry for the truth.And so, you get a newspaper that tells the truth, guess what, people will flock toward it. So this is extremely encouraging in my opinion, Peter.
And I think one of the things, obviously, you writing the book on the deep state and discussing it and bringing it out in the open, but then I think over the last three years that's been sped up with many people beginning to question what is happening, question organizations and organizations which were maybe in the shadows have been brought into the light. I mean, I mean, what are your thoughts then on the last three years on how it has exposed what is happening under the deep state?[37:43] I'll tell you what, Peter, everywhere I go in America, and I'm constantly on the road, everywhere I go, I'm meeting people who are like, you know what, before COVID, I was just a mom.I was just, you know, I was worried about getting my kids fed and clothed, you know, had none of this stuff on my radar.And then COVID hit, and they said my kid had to wear a diaper on his face.And they said I couldn't go eat at a restaurant unless I would take this experimental thing.And they woke up.And not only did they wake up, not only did they start saying, what's going on here?Who's behind this? What is really happening?Not only did they do that, After they got educated, they said.[38:17] I'm going to work on stopping this. And so they're forming groups and they're getting together with other moms, they're getting together with other patriots, they're getting together with other Republicans and they're getting involved politically. They're joining Republican executive committees.They're running for office. They're lobbying their state legislators.They're running for Congress.And so we're in a really unique moment, I think, in American history.A lot of people are starting to call it a great awakening and that has very strong Christian overtones.So, you know, I don't know that I'm ready to say that we're quite there yet, but something is happening.You know, a lot of people who just a few years ago were not paying any attention, they really didn't care.They've suddenly realized that they're now in a battle for the heart and soul of their nation, in an existential battle for the very future of their family, for the future of their country, for the future of their church, for the future of their liberties.And you know, once people realize that, once people realize that like, there's been a war declared on you, and if you don't do something, it's gonna end really badly, people get activated.And I would submit to you, and I don't have any numbers on this, but I would submit to you that there are many millions, millions of Americans who within the last three years, they were completely out of the fight before and they are now very active participants.[39:29] And they're gonna grow and they're gonna develop and they're gonna move up the ranks and they're gonna get higher and higher in elected office.And so, my big concern now is that, and the deep state recognizes this, they've got wonderful forecasting models, they've got people like Peter Schwab or Peter Schwartz, excuse me, over at the World Economic Forum, that do a future scenario planning.I mean, they've charted this all out. They realize that we're on a trajectory now where if people keep waking up at this rate, they're gonna be in big trouble.And so my concern is we may see something wild, something dramatic to try to put a stop to this.Something like, you know, the World Economic Forum not too long ago did the cyber polygon exercises that were the communications and the grid would go down.You know, so I think the deep state recognizes that they're in a very vulnerable position right now.They've completely lost the support of the public.And you saw this on YouTube. I think that's why YouTube had to get rid of the thumbs down.Every time World Economic Forum would put up one of their dumb propaganda videos, it'd get like two thumbs up, right? It's the guys on stage. And then a million thumbs down.So, oh, wow, people woke up. So they're in a very dangerous place.And just like a dangerous animal.Once you get them in the corner, you know, they're liable to lash out and behave all crazy.[40:37] That's where we are right now. Too many people are waking up too quickly, thanks to what happened with COVID, thanks to what happened with the 2016 election, thanks to what happened with the 2020 election. And, you know, they're going to need something a lot bigger than a January 6th PSYOP to try to put this toothpaste back into the tube.
Yeah. You mentioned the Great Awakening in that biblical context. And when I was with you yesterday you had mentioned that you'd been preaching a church on Sunday. And that link, I mean, growing up as a pastor's kid, very involved in my local church, and that is the most important thing to us as Christians, that Jesus is the most important thing. It's intriguing that mix in the States, and especially with this pushback, that there are churches, not necessarily across the board, but maybe who were more passively involved, there is that spark. What is that like for you, kind of in two different camps, a media camp, a church camp? Tell us about that mix.[41:41] Yeah, what I'm seeing is just, it's really encouraging. It's wonderful. And in fact, I think COVID had a profound effect on the churches. You know, what the enemy meant for evil, God absolutely is using for good, right? The enemy wanted to shut down all the schools so that all the kids could be forced online so they could gather all the data. Well, what actually happened? Parents started of seeing what was happening in their kids' schools and they're yanked their kids out of public schools.Millions of families have fled the government's indoctrination systems.And something similar happened with churches. The enemy thought, hey, this is gonna be a great way to attack the church.We're gonna force these Christians to stop meeting and stop praying and stop singing.And what actually happened?A lot of pastors grew a backbone. A lot of pastors that were basically out of the fight, you know, just, you know, preaching 18,000 different versions of a John 3, 16 sermon, largely out of context.[42:24] They were like, wait a minute here, what's going on? This is like, wow, this is serious.And so a lot of the fake churches actually crumbled. I read somewhere that one in five churches shuttered and didn't open again.And you know, that sounds terrible. It makes you want to cry.And then you realize that the overwhelming majority of those churches were not Bible believing churches. They were not.Truly preaching the word of God. The people in that congregation did not truly have a relationship with Jesus Christ.And what happened? The people who did actually went to the good churches.This church that I just preached at, I preached all four morning services at this wonderful church in Idaho.[42:58] The Christian Candlelight Fellowship in Coeur d'Alene.It's now the biggest church in the region. And what happened during COVID is they just absolutely exploded.They became huge. People were coming from everywhere to the point where they've massively outgrown their church.They're having to do four different, I've never been to a church with four services in one morning.That's how rapidly that church grew. And this is happening, I mean, I just mentioned that one because it was last weekend, but this was happening all over the country, Peter.[43:22] The churches that remained faithful to the word of God, the churches that said, like John MacArthur in California, you know, just brilliant.The guy had always been, you know, Romans 13 means you must submit to the government and everything, don't ever ask any questions, don't even be involved politically, right?And then this comes along and he says, wait a minute, Sorry, Governor Newsom, but you're not the head of the church.You can't order us to shut down. Jesus Christ is the head of the church and we're gonna have to stay open.You know, we respect you, we honour you as the government authority, but you don't have that authority.We're gonna have to stay open. And so now this pastor who, you know, influences tens of thousands of other pastors across this country is preaching sermons on how governments are making themselves illegitimate by doing the opposite of what government was instituted by God to do.Instead of punishing evil and protecting good, They're punishing good and protecting evil.So you have this huge awakening happening in the church and it's extraordinary to see, it's amazing.I think God is doing something hugely significant in this country.Yeah, I think one of the big reasons that we're in this mess, Peter, is because churches and pastors have not been preaching the whole counsel of God.[44:30] I've been working in, we've been doing pastors summits all across the country.They're called the Liberty Pastors Summits and we're doing them all over the country.We're bringing hundreds of pastors. We've done thousands of pastors now all over the country, bringing them together and teaching them a series of different things just straight out of the Bible.So I've been teaching on globalism and education.Pastor Paul Blair, who's kind of leading and Dan Fisher, who are kind of organizing, leading this, are pastors out of Oklahoma.They're teaching, you know, what does the Bible say on government?What does the Bible say on all these critical issues? And I love what Pastor Paul Blair always says.Jesus cannot just be the Lord of your Sunday morning.Jesus needs to be the Lord of every single area of your life.That includes your family, that includes your business, that includes your politics, that includes your government.Every area of your life needs to be in submission to Christ.And that has profound implications. And that's something that's been largely lost in our country. the reason our country was born.Is because the pastors were preaching the truth from the pulpit.[45:26] And this has been largely forgotten, but we had the Black Robe Regiment.Without the Black Robe Regiment, we probably, and I know this is a sensitive subject for Brits, so I won't rub it in, but we never would have actually declared independence.It was because the pastors were saying, this king is acting out of line.He doesn't have the authority to do these things. This is ungodly.We are not going to be okay with that.And that's why our country was born. It was because the pastors were preaching in their pulpits.And that's the history of our nation.And this was, you know, shortly after the great awakening when John Edwards and others were preaching these fiery sermons and just the spirit of God was moving across this country.Our founding fathers were kids listening in the pulpits to this.Of course, they were inspired by the great Christians of Britain, right?Oliver Cromwell, of course, you know, our founding fathers had him in mind where he said, you know, Lex Rex, the law is king and who ultimately establishes the law, that's God.And even the king has to submit to the laws of God, right? The king cannot ignore the laws and the commands of God.The king must be in submission to them as well.So all of the ideas that are at the centre of our country, that are at the centre of our constitution, that are at the centre of our civilization, have been lost now through multiple generations of indoctrination in the public schools, through multiple generations of pastors being too scared to preach the truth.[46:39] Because the IRS threatens they're gonna go after anybody who says anything that they don't like for their tax exemption.And now that's all crumbling. Now we're seeing pastors and congregations and Christians realizing that no, this all, the Bible is the answer to these things.And that's how our country was born. That's how Western civilization was born.If there's gonna be any hope of reclaiming it, it's gonna have to be through reacquainting ourselves with the word of God and through courage in our pulpits, in our churches and among the body of Christ.[47:09] I think we'll end on that. That's absolutely perfect. Alex, I really appreciate you coming along.Thank you for joining us today.
Thank you so much, Peter. It's an honour and a pleasure. Really appreciate all that you're doing.Hopefully we'll meet again very soon. I hope you get back to the United States or maybe I'll be on the other side of the pond this summer. So let's keep in touch.
Either or. And can I just finish here, obviously on gab GETTR truth and I know libertycentral.org.Just remind the viewers kind of what is the best place to find you and what can they find on the website?
Well, thank you so much. So my personal website is libertysentinel.org.I put up a really eclectic mix of things there, everything from some of my shows, podcasts, articles that I and others write. I'm the volunteer executive director of a ministry called Public School Exit.We're actually helping churches and families, not just across the United States, but around the world, figure out how to get God's people out of the government schools and into the safe sanctuary of home schools, Christian schools, private schools, et cetera.You can find that at publicschoolexit.com. I'm senior editor of the New American Magazine.You can find us at thenewamerican.com. Even if you don't subscribe to the print magazine, you can get the daily headlines for free in your inbox by email.[48:15] I write for the Epoch Times. And yeah, I do a lot of other things.I write for the Law Enforcement Intelligence Brief.It goes out to every police chief and sheriff in the country, but people are welcome to get that as well if they want. So a lot of different things, but you can find me on Twitter or post a big mix of stuff there, at Alex Newman underscore J-O-U. And of course, Gab GETTR.I'm still on Fascist Book, although I don't use it all that much.But thanks again, Peter. Really, it's an honour to be here with you.Thank you for all that you're doing and God bless you, sir.
God bless. joining us today, Alex.

The Week According To . . . Voice of Wales

Welcome to your regular dose of news-based chat, opinion and an honest appraisal of the past seven days with free-thinking guests from all walks of life and this episode is the welcome return of our good friend, Dan from Voice of Wales.Buckle up as Dan let's rip on the topics this week including...- Judges issue arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes.- Tommy is back with a new documentary 'Plantation 2: Rise of the Celts'.- Fears two refugee hostels will swamp North Wales community and ignite public 'unrest'.- Lord Ahmed of Rotherham: Nonce's prison sentence cut by appeal court.- Minority teachers to receive £5K bonus from Welsh government.- 13 year old girl 'attacked' by boy in a gender-neutral school toilet says she dreads returning to lessons.- Nursery tells parents to not tell their daughters that they are 'pretty' or to call them 'princess'.- Funeral for paedophile drag queen's cortege that was led by horse-drawn carriage stops outside city's oldest gay bar.- Statues of ‘old white men’ may need to be destroyed, Welsh government advises.- Match of the Day without Gary Lineker was watched by 500,000 more people than usual.Voice of Wales are the only common-sense media outfit in Wales.Labelled as a 'threat to modern day Wales', these lads are nothing of the sort, they are in fact 'The True Voice of Welsh Journalism'.They will tackle any issue whether it be the lockdown madness, ignoring immigration, self-hatred of Britain, destruction of free speech, refusal to speak out against grooming gangs, giving a knee to BLM or destroying our children's education by rewriting our history.Dan and Stan have an opinion and they are the only voice that Wales needs to hear.Follow and support the lads at …Website: https://www.voiceofwales.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/VoWalesOfficialTwitter: https://twitter.com/VoWalesOfficial?s=20https://twitter.com/DanVoWMedia?s=20Telegram: https://t.me/VoiceOfWalesOriginally broadcast as a live discussion 18.3.23
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Father Calvin Robinson - The 21st Century Church in a Woke Society

Here in the UK we have had the Church of England announce they will bless same-sex unions while over in the US the so called 'Asbury Revival' has been making headlines. To understand these two diametric concepts of revival and woke-ism we asked Fr Calvin Robinson to join us. Calvin speaks out strongly on how the Church is England is losing its message of Christ as it embraces 'new' values and concepts of the world. He has also been keeping a keen eye on the unusual events at the church in Asbury University in Kentucky, where a service of worship just went on and on. Can the Church of England return to truth and is what is happening in Asbury the beginning of a renewal in Christendom?The Reverend Calvin Robinson is a popular British political advisor, presenter and commentator.Fr Robinson is Minister-in-Charge of Christ Church in London and has been published widely in the media, including GB News, Talk radio, the Guardian, the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, the Spectator, and the Daily Express among others.He is a former assistant principal and has consulted for the Department for Education, supporting school leaders across the South East.Born and bred in the East Midlands, England, Calvin is on a crusade to reclaim our country from the woke using truth and common sense while standing up for family, conservative, Christian and British values.Catch Calvin every Sunday at 3pm for the 'Common Sense Crusade' on GB News.Follow and support Calvin....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/calvinrobinsonTwitter: https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson?s=20&t=46rqU2zEtSYZDNs2huAI7ATelegram: https://t.me/calvinrobinsonSubstack: https://calvinrobinson.substack.com/Website: https://www.calvinrobinson.com/Interview recorded 13.3.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview coming up with Calvin Robinson.We've had on numerous times before, and we're looking at the state of the church, where the church fit into a 21st century society. We go through a number of the issues which Calvin has spoken about regularly on GB News and on his social media platforms. The whole issue of marriage and the Church of England recognizing LGBT unions, whatever alphabet mix you want, it is now recognized and blessed, although they don't actually carry out a ceremony, so it seems to be a fudge on the issue. So we discuss that and some of the other issues. I know Calvin has talked a lot about the buffer zones and the prayer being illegal outside abortion centres. And then we look at, actually looking ahead, why a revived church, a church which is on fire, a church which is speaking truth, why that is important for, if you're not a Christian, actually for all society, not just Christians, because that has a positive effect on society, speaking truth and bringing,[1:31] looking at issues of right and wrong, I guess, in a time where there's a lot of confusion about what actually is right, what actually is wrong. And the church, I think, can be a moral guidance, a framework once again for our society. And I think many of us would see that there is a place to be had, even if we are not regular churchgoers or don't call ourselves Christians. There is a positive impact and element to our society from that. So I know you'll enjoy Calvin, as much as I enjoyed chatting with them.[2:05] Calvin Robinson, Father Calvin Robinson. It is wonderful to have you back with us.Thank you so much for your time once again.
 
Anytime Peter, how are you?
Absolutely wonderful. All the better for seeing you and hopefully you'll shed some light on a lot of the chaos has been happening, but we'll get into that.@CalvinRobinson, obviously, is your handle across all platforms.People can also sign up to your sub-stack and get your regular e-mails giving your thoughts.Of course, Calvin can be found every Sunday on GB News at 3pm.Or you can see him in the flesh at his church in the morning.So you can get him twice in the day. Your church isn't live streamed as yet, Calvin, no?
No, it's rooted in place. People have got to be there.
 
I do like that. Personal contact is good.Don't go down that, because then people just stay at home. So stick with the one-on-one contact.Calvin, initially when we had talked a couple weeks ago, we wanted to look at what was happening, I guess, termed as the Asbury Revival over in the States and talk about, I guess, renewal in general.[3:15] But maybe before that we could go back and start with maybe where the Church is at in the UK.And one thing which certainly has struck out with me was what happened back in February.The Guardian's headline. We'll use the Guardian because that's, I think, what the Church of England like to support and promote, and are more worried about column inches in the Guardian. But anyway, it's the Church of England votes in favour of blessing for same-sex unions. Passing of motion at General Synod represents profound shift in Church's stance on homosexuality. Do you want to give us your thoughts on, kind of, that event and that quite a large departure from traditional Church of England Anglican teaching.
 
Yeah, well, the Church is saying it's not a departure in teaching.They've said they're not changing doctrine, which is fluffy to say the least because we in the[4:13] Church of England tend to believe lex horrende, lex credendi, like you are what you believe, you practice what you believe and you believe what you practice. And so if the Church of England is essentially saying that you can bless same-sex unions, some of which will be sexual in nature, the Church of England is now saying you can bless sin, which is an oxymoron, you can't ask God to bless something he has said is sinful. But at Synod it was voted in favour with a majority, that the Church of England can now, priests within the Church of England can now bless couples that come to them that may be in a civil partnership or may be in a secular gay marriage and those individuals within that relationship can now be blessed. So basically people will go to the registry office, they'll get their same-sex marriage under law and then they'll go to church and have that marriage blessed. That is wrong. It is not in line with Christian teaching. It's[5:10] causing the Church of England to enter apostasy essentially because these bishops are heretics, and it's a problem for even the very good sound priests in the Church of England who do want to remain orthodox because we are, as Anglicans, we're an apostolic faith so we believe that each congregation serves a bishop and each, well the bishop serves each congregation, so you can't separate one from the other. You can't say well I'll be a good priest in my little parish because that's congregationalism. That means you're not respecting obedience to your bishop and not seeing him as your servant leader. So if the bishop is a heretic, it makes you a heretic. That's the problem people are facing. So many parishes are going to have to consider now do they want to leave the Church of England because the Church of England has already left them.
 
And we'll get into that schism in a little bit but I mean marriage has...always been, traditionally, been a lifelong union between one man and one woman.And it does seem, I know, I know, Calvin I'm only following you, so that's bad.[6:19] I've seen your show, Calvin, much worse. But how can they say that's not a change? Because if the church is saying basically we're not actually carrying out a ceremony between two men or two women but we will still bless it. There isn't much, it seems to be just semantics really.
It is semantics. That is exactly the right word for it. They think they're being clever because they're trying to please everybody. You know you can't please everybody because what you end up doing is upsetting everybody. But worse than that you can't compromise on the truth.And the truth sometimes is black and white. Most things in life are quite nuanced but the truth, isn't always, because we believe as Christians that the truth is universal and Jesus Christ is the truth himself, right? It's not this case of what we see in modernity where everyone has their own perspective and everyone owns their individual truth. That doesn't play out in Christianity. So what the Church is doing is saying, well societal norms have changed, they've adjusted over time and the world around us has become liberal progressive and the faith is rooted in time and place and is very static and traditionalist and[7:33] old-fashioned, how do we marry the two? Well, we can't institute gay marriages because that's an oxymoron, but what about if we bless same-sex marriages that have been done elsewhere? That's good compromise, right? And of course it's all misguided. It might be well-intentioned, might not be, but it's just impossible. It's an impossibility.
 
Because up to this point, Church's teaching would would have been that there are areas of sin.You can read your Bible and you can make whole lists of them.[8:05] I've just been sitting in a series with Jay John going through the 10 commandments and those are a list of rules which are for our own good really for society.But the church seems to have kind of completely abandoned that.And I know internally the church has had this the hierarchy, I guess, this struggle of where they go on this issue, and I guess that maybe Justin Welby and others would have liked to kick this even further into the long grass. So I'm wondering what kind of pushed them to actually make a decision, because often the church of England are very good at not actually making decisions.
 
Yeah, they're really good at fluff, you know, Anglican fudge they call it, but this had to happen because the living in love and faith process is what they called it over the last six or seven years they've been discussing how to be more inclusive to the LGBTQ plus IAA plus plus plus community and just that just that sentence alone is problematic because the church of course is inclusive it's you know the church is welcoming to everyone because we are all sinners and they keep forgetting this that well how can we be more welcoming to this particular community and it doesn't make sense like that it's a false premise. They need to focus on talking about sin more and you're right the commandments are rules by which we should be living our lives. The[9:32] Commandments are set down by God as any father would to his children to say this is how, these are the boundaries, you may play within these boundaries, if you leave these boundaries you will get hurt. That is what sin is, it's separation of us from God, and that's hurtful for us as well as for God right? So we, should be trying not to do that, we should be trying not to sin. But we don't talk about sin because it's seen as derogatory. Every time I bring it up on my own, well I won't talk about specifics, but whenever we talk about sin people say silly things like,you can't call that sin. It's legal. It's like, what? That sentence again doesn't make any sense.By saying it's a sin isn't me saying it should be illegal or it shouldn't be legal. It's me saying that it's something that is harmful for us and we should avoid it if possible. But we are all sinners because we are fallen individuals and we should acknowledge that we all do sin. And that is that's not okay but we can repent and we can change our ways. But people these days don't want to repent and they don't want to change their ways, they want to live in sin.
It is interesting that people pick and choose how sin or legality work because you look back at things which are, were illegal, you look back at slavery and we see that as abhorrent and yet it was accepted legally. So it's interesting how often people pick and choose what is accepted or not accepted.[10:56] That's a very good point. I'm going to use that one in the future, actually.That's a very good point. Because it's so annoying when people say, you can't say that homosexual marriage is a sin, or that homosexual sex is a sin.First of all, I'm not saying anything about homosexuals in particular.Usually I'm talking about fornication. I'm labelling the sin.I'm using the name of the sin. It's sex outside of marriage, which is sinful.[11:15] And that is the same for heterosexuals as it is for homosexuals.But they really get hung up on that word sin.So we need to talk about it more so that people understand it and realise that it's not us judging other people, it's not us pointing a finger that way, it's us doing this and saying yes we are sinners too, we're all sinners, let's help each other sin less.
I guess a conversation the church doesn't really have is the whole issue of the stability that a lifelong marriage between a man and woman brings to not only to small areas of culture but to society in general.To me it would be, if they're looking for popularity I guess, it is an open goal to talk about the benefits that a male and female bring to that lifelong and then in regards to raising children and that structure and the benefit to society if not, to me that would be a open goal if the church wants to kind of be more political I guess with the public and engage with them and that would be a good policy.
Well it's right there, so it doesn't matter which church we're talking about.If we're talking about the Church of England it's in the Book of Common Prayer, if we're talking about the Catholic faith it's in the Catechism of the Catholic faith, in that marriage is between one man and one woman, it's heterosexual and monogamous for the reasons of procreation, for the begetting of children, so that God can bless you with offspring.[12:44] That is a good thing. For the purposes of fornication without sin, so that you can have sex without it being sinful, so that you receive that grace.[12:55] And for the betterment of the community, for society as a whole, like we all benefit when people raise families because that's how our society is built upon.First community we all belong to is the family and then we have the wider community and then we have our nationhood and these things are all good things, good things in the eyes of God, like objectively good. And so you know marriage is for a reason. God hasn't said it must be one man and one woman because I'm bigoted and I want human beings to be bigoted. He said this is good, this is ordered, this is a way for you to live your lives for the benefit of yourselves, the people around you and me.
You mentioned inclusivity a bit earlier and that term, it seems to be that we are misunderstanding terms.I hear inclusivity a lot. You hear love being put out as well.Love is love and God is love and we can all love each other as seemingly a green light to whatever you want.Is there a way that we can kind of reclaim some of these terms, so to understand once again what they truly mean?
Yeah, of course, because this is what the left does, isn't it? They twist language.They never actually outright lie. They use half-truths to make a lie seem real. And so[14:12] when they talk about love, quite often, they're talking about lust. And it's the Hollywood version of love, right? That you're getting into a relationship with someone, and then have sex and that's it, that's the epitome of love and that's the pinnacle right there that we're all striving towards. Actually no, love doesn't mean that in a Christian context. Agape is the term used quite often but there are[14:32] actually multiple terms for love in the Bible and it means it's something that's sacrificial, it's self-giving, it's willing the good of the other. It's not about you and people forget that quite often in this individualistic societies.But I love him or I love her therefore I should be able to, I have a right to. No you're putting yourself first and foremost that's not love that's something else that's your own desire and desires often lead us to sin and love is completely the opposite of sin and when we say love is love it's a free for all isn't it because well if love is love it doesn't matter what the terms are there are no boundaries but of course there are boundaries on everything in life including love. And for me love should be in terms of marriage at least between a man and a woman. But that's not to say there aren't different types of love.I love you as a brother, I love you know my friends in a different way to how I would expect to love my wife right. And likewise you love your children in a different way to how you love your spouse. So there are lots of different levels of love but even then there are boundaries on those different relationships and what I really struggle with at the moment in the LGBTQ plus III community is that they want to say that a sexual love, a desire, a lustful[15:53] relationship is appropriate for anyone without boundaries and we all know where that heads if it's fine for two men or three men or four men or two men and eight women, whatever.[16:04] Why is it not fine for a man and a child? And that's where it's all heading. That's where liberalism ends up. That's where the devil is pushing from. It's paedophilia is what they're aiming for. And people say, that's homophobic. You're saying you're conflating homosexuality with paedophilia. I'm not at all. I'm not in any way, shape, or form conflating the two.I'm saying this liberal progressive movement, this work movement of love is love, of boundaryless, borderless love, results in paedophilia. And that's very different.
Well, picking up on that term and what we've seen with the drag shows, and you were highlighting one of them recently, but that whole, I mean I'm surprised, although I maybe shouldn't be, but I still try and be surprised at the lack of response from churches, that was Turning Point UK, so it is a secular organization. You've got you and Lozza and others[17:01] actually standing up and opposing this, getting a report on GB News. It's kind of, you're looking around thinking, well, I'm just waiting for the local church to come in and actually get involved, but that's not happening. What has that been like as you've kind of campaigned on some of these issues without, probably with silence from the church. Tell us about that.
Even worse than silence, the church is getting involved, but on the other end.St James's Piccadilly hosted a drag queen in their sanctuary, like a sacred space, and they're putting a scantily dressed bloke, dressed as a woman, which is an affront to women in the first place, but they're putting them there where Christ should be, by the altar essentially. And it's just, I don't want to use hyperbole, but it's demonic is what's happening here.And the church is on the wrong side of this argument. And even this week, over the last couple of days, my Easter special got cancelled, right?And I do Easter specials and Christmas specials every year. I think it's a time when I'm able to use the platform that I've been gifted to proclaim the gospel, to promote the message of salvation and redemption and to talk about Jesus Christ explicitly without having to talk about other political issues that I have to do on my normal show.It's just a show entirely about Christ.[18:19] And it got cancelled by a church because a gay member of the secular choir in the church said to the priest, we can no longer sing here if Calvin Robinson is coming here, he's a homophobe.Now, rather than the priest using that as a teaching opportunity to say, no, Calvin's not a homophobe, the things he says there, you're misunderstanding.He's a Christian.He adheres to the Christian values on sex and sexuality. And let me talk to you about them." Instead of doing that, he said, "'Oh, let me talk to my bishop or his ordinary.'" He spoke to his ordinary.Between them, they decided it would be too much hassle to have our Easter special film there.So essentially they said, "'Look, you cannot proclaim the gospel this Easter because a gay member of a secular choir got upset.'" And that's how the woke mob works, isn't it?[19:02] I think, was it one of the Christmases you were in there? Was it the Oratory and, where is it, South Kent, isn't it?But tell me about those experiences, because you're bringing something quite different and quite fresh to the TV screens, to a news organization that wouldn't traditionally, or may have, songs of praise, which kind of ticks that religious box.But what you're doing with those kind of specials seems to be more intentional.And tell us about you personally, why you want to do that and[19:39] maybe some of the positive and negative responses you've had.
Yeah, I mean, this is what I'm called to do, right? So the whole reason I'm on television is because I see it as a platform for public ministry. And the reason I'm not on TV full time is because it's not a career for me, it's not an ambition. However, I do feel like I've been gifted the platform of television and social media and all these things where I have a following is so that I can proclaim the truth. I can talk about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for his benefit and for theirs, right? And so for me these specials are well they're special, they are the reason I do the rest of the stuff that I do on TV because it gives me the opportunity to do these things and the response is, mostly positive. It really is. People are happy to see Jesus in the mainstream again and to see the Christian faith normalized and for someone to be unashamedly Christian and not embarrassed about their faith, that helps people in their faith and it also brings people to the faith. So we're evangelizing as well as encouraging. That is, you know, that's why I'm here, that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Of course there are a minority of negative responses and they tend to be the ones that stick in my head because as human beings, as flawed human beings, that's what happens isn't it? You can have a hundred positive responses that one negative is what you remember but, You know, the[21:01] Catholics, for my last special, the one you mentioned at the oratory, the most beautiful, I think it's one of the most beautiful churches in the country, the Catholics were saying, why have you let this Protestant in your sanctuary? Firstly, I'm an Anglican, not a Protestant[21:13] And then the Protestants were saying, how dare he pray to a saint that he's invoking the saints?This is not scriptural. And so the Protestants on one side, the Catholics on the other side, and I'm like, look, I'm here using a national platform to try and proclaim the gospel and and spread the message of Jesus Christ.And you guys, the Christians, call it demon-pleased. How do you think we're going to get this message out to the rest of the world? It's like we fight and bicker amongst ourselves endlessly.It's tiresome. We should be united in Christ.[21:45] There's another issue that you've touched on on GB News as well, which is the sanctity of life and the buffer zones around, which probably is more a free speech issue than a pro-life issue.And I know you've interviewed the lady who was arrested and arrested once again.And that's just gone through parliament last week where they rejected any thought that prayer should be legal.No, no way, we'll defeat that amendment, kick it out.I mean, how, again, you're bringing that and it's interesting where maybe if you look at the States, the debate is a lively public debate where in the UK it seems to be a very lacklustre, extremely private debate.And I'm wondering why it's been so, I guess, marginalizing conversation.[22:39] I think because people are conflating those two issues, free speech and abortion, right?So I can address this from a free speech perspective and say that no thought should ever be a crime.And that Isabel Vaughan Spruce, who is a fantastic lady, who I've had on my show a couple of times, She's been arrested twice for praying silently within the vicinity of one of theseabortion centres when it was closed, when there were no other people around. So people can't say well she's harassing people or she's intimidating people because that's a lie. She's literally stood there silently minding her own business, praying in her head because she thoroughly believes in the power of prayer and she believes what's going on in the centres is evil and should be stopped and therefore she's praying to God for support for these women who think it's their only option. Of course it isn't. Now she could be actively protesting, she could be stood outside the abortion centre with a placard saying don't go in. She could be preventing people, she could be intimidating people. She's not doing any of that. She could even be there handing out literature offering these women alternative options. We know that's been successful in the past.[23:42] And that women have been so grateful for the opportunity to discover another option that hasn't been presented to them up until that point, and they've gone on to raise children that they're very happy to have in their lives. She's not doing any of that, she's just silently praying in her I had. So I can address it saying look this is an issue of freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, even freedom of association. But then the naysayers on the other side will say no, this is about intimidation, harassment, this is about her impeding on someone else's right to abortion. And it always comes down to what they're actually protecting is the killing of unborn children. They don't care about the other freedoms and they want to balance that one. And it's not a balance, there's no balance there because, no one's preventing these women from abortion. As abhorrent as it is, it's[24:29] about their feelings as they go to initiate this abortion.That's what this is all about. It's about someone's freedom of religion versus someone's taking offense to someone's religion. And religion is losing.
 
I mean I had this conversation with a church leader and I should have just walked away quickly, but I wanted to delve a bit deeper and at the end of the conversation, a very pleasant conversation, but he said you're probably would be like one of those right-wing American Christians who would be shouting and abusing the women going in. And that made me think kind of how far do you go in doing what's right? If you see something wrong happening then do you actually intervene and with the case talked about it was just silent prayer, which is again free speech, thought's been legal. But actually I thought well as a Christian how kind of how far do you go in making a stand against what's wrong? I don't know what I'm not calling for aggression or violence, absolutely not, I'm just trying to work that out as we change in society and move further and further away from what is true. How do you see the response of those of us who are Christians?
Well the fact that that[25:58] minister said that to you, that you'd probably be one of those right-wing Americans. It just shows, how far the faith has shifted, doesn't it? Like he should be, as a minister of the faith, he should be doing anything he can to save human life because all human life is sacred. And that's the message of the gospel. I despair at these people. I lost my train of thought on the question because I'm so annoyed at these so-called ministers. But I mean, it's not even happening in this country.In the UK we've never had harassment outside abortion centres. I have seen it in America, granted, but we're not American and harassment in this country is already illegal. Therefore, what is this legislation for? You rightly pointed out that the amendment to remove prayer, to remove silent prayer from this bill, was rejected. So they explicitly want outlaw prayer.Is it because these dark forces are playing and they understand the power of prayer and they don't, don't want Christians praying. Because it is about Christians as well. We see that, Muslims in this country are supported in a way that Christians are not. You can just scuff the corner of a page on a Quran and your child is receiving death threats, the mother is apologizing in front of the imams, backed up by the police, and the child is suspended from school. Yet a Christian cannot silently pray. This is a direct attack on God, is what this is. And our parliamentarians are a part of the problem.[27:20] It's curious that you have a platform on a news channel, just like BBC or Sky, and then you've got GB News, and it's not a Christian channel in any shape or form, and yet GB News seems to have a greater understanding of right and wrong than many of our churches. I mean, how have you found, because you're given license to speak, I'm sure GB News is not perfect, nothing is, but you're given leeway and freedom to address these issues where probably the church maybe down the road would ban even any conversation about it. What does that feel like, that platform that you have?
That's an interesting way to put it, because I'm a pessimist, so I tend to think I'm held back, I'm restricted all the time.I'm constantly fighting to talk about things that people don't want me to talk about, and to get guests on that people don't want me to have on.It's a battle every single day. So I think it's nice of you to put it that way in that it is important for me to recognize that I do get a lot of conversations out there that wouldn't be had elsewhere and wouldn't be had otherwise.[28:37] I try to at least be on the side of God, right? I wouldn't say it the other way around, I would say God's on my side.I think that's arrogant. I try to be on the side of God. And if we're on God's side, it's the old adage, isn't it?If God is with us, who can be against us? So as long as we are doing what we're doing for the greater glory of God, then we can't go wrong.[28:56] Exactly, but no, I think you maybe see things differently when you're in the mix and you realize the difficulties possibly in putting something out, the public get to see what goes out and they see that positive message where you're maybe thinking actually that could have been more in that or we could have an extra but I mean God takes what goes out and uses for his purpose, doesn't affect people and if that's the only place they're seeing it then that's extremely positive.
Yeah, I think you're right there. Thank you for that. I needed to hear that.
Going on to just we, I started on mentioning Asbury and I was blown away actually by watching Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, programs that are not Christian actually having whole pieces on it. And I think War Room had like a four minute beginning intro of just Asbury Church service, I thought this is really curious watching the secular media promoting what is happening in churches. And I mean what were your thoughts as a Christian and as a journalist looking at,[30:07] I guess that phenomenon, and many of our viewers will not be Christian and they may have different thoughts on it, but it was something new, refreshing, seeing the church packed, seeing the, miles long of traffic of people wanting to get there, because something special was happening there. Yeah, what were your thoughts looking at it?
 
It did look special, that's a good word for it.It looked important, it looked significant somehow. They were all very young and it wasn't liturgical in any way, shape or form and it wasn't organized, it was just organic. It felt to me like the Holy Spirit was present, I'm sure it was. And I think, I hope that's the start of something bigger, a bigger movement in the States because we need a revival, especially Generation Z which is a generation, and I'm generalizing here, that is wrapped up in itself, an entitled generation of individualists. They need a reminder of something transcendental that is bigger than themselves, they need to be reconnected with God and whatever shape that takes I don't think it really matters.[31:16] There's also a growing traditionalist movement, especially amongst Catholics, so that's entirely on the opposite end of the spectrum to Asbury, but if what's going on in Asbury, that charismatic movement, if that does something and connects people to Christ, then great!
Because I guess renewals throughout history never, are always different from previous and I guess if we were sitting planning one, it could be so different.But it's interesting to see that, how they can often be so different when you read through church history and see how God has moved at different times in special ways.They always seem to meet a hunger for something above, something greater than us and to give hope.[32:06] But yeah, I've just been interested and I've gone back and been reading some of the great revivalist evangelists I guess and been excited by what God has done in past generations and how it changes society.
 
Absolutely and society needs changing right now. I talked quite a bit about how the Christian faith thrives under persecution. I think in the West now we're seeing intolerance verging on persecution but once it reaches there something will happen.At the same time we're seeing the churches in the West crumbling. The big C church will never fall because Christ won't let it but the institutions can. That's the Church of England, that's the Episcopal Church in America, these churches are fallen because they're made up of fallen individuals who seem to be at the moment trying to appease the liberal progressive secular norms around them.And so as these western churches die and as we become secularized and then persecuted.[33:11] We will start to see more of these revival movements because there is a god-shaped hole in people's hearts that needs to be filled and people are latching on wherever they can to things that just don't fill, can't fill that hole. The only thing that can fill it is God. So eventually it all comes back round to him.
What are your thoughts there? Probably people have seen what's happened over there and thought, well, I'm not a Christian, I don't go to church, it's absolutely nothing to do with me, I don't care what happens.How does a revival or renewal, a church being vibrant on fire, speaking truth, how does that affect or fit into society?
Well, I mean, this is it, this is it, right? right? People talk about the cultural wars but this is a spiritual war. I don't think people can truly understand what's going on unless they have the faith and there's no way to describe, there's no way to talk about it. It's like the matrix, right? You take the blue pill or the red pill and people who take the blue pill just they're ignorant and they cannot get it and I'm not saying that as an insult, it's just there's a wall there whereas people who take the red pill, people who have faith in Christ can see what's going on and it is it's wicked, it's evil, it's demonic and we need to fight against it. And it's not just about diversity, inclusion, equality, it's about[34:27] replacing what's good, what's beautiful, what's true, replacing God with falsehoods, with a false narrative, with the devil, essentially.And so, to the non-Christians who are watching, I suppose I'm praying for you, is the message I would say.And I don't mean that in a patronizing way, I mean that in a way that I hope your eyes are opened and your ears are opened to Christ, just as people who watch your show, who consider themselves awake to what's going on around them and have problems, struggle talking to normies or NPCs, about COVID or Brexit or lockdowns or vaccines, whatever.[35:08] Or the Ukraine.It's difficult to have conversations with people whose eyes and ears are closed.And that's how I feel at the moment about people who are not Christian, because this is the biggest spiritual war of a long, long time, and we're all in the middle of it.[35:25] And I guess when you were saying you're a pessimist, I get that, but then from my point of view as a Christian, that's when it gets quite exciting because there isn't a step-by-step plan because it's so bad.And you're thinking, where do we go from here as a society? And I think that's why something, what happened in Asbury was exciting because you kind of look at our politicians and I remember growing up and seeing so many Christian politicians, strong leaders, and we don't have that anymore.So you look at wet Welby, you're thinking, well, that's not gonna provide much direction and guidance. So you're thinking, well, actually, the only way this can happen is God. And I think that's why being in a difficult, dark situation is exciting.
Yeah, and there's two sides to this. So on the one side, people want to defend Western culture, and rightly so, because it's a great thing, because it was built on Christianity.However, it isn't Christianity. It is separate, and Western society can, and probably will fall, but that's okay, because another society will rise in its wake.[36:37] But the thing we have to fight for isn't Western society, it's the Christian faith.We have to fight for our Christian values, Because when society does fall, they are what will sustain us.Christ in the mass will sustain us, and our faith in him will sustain us.So we have to get past the idea of clinging onto the worldly goods that we see around us.[36:59] What, it's, it's, it's sorry, I've lost my train of thought...When you look at-
 
Sorry, just to add to that before we move on.Because the great thing about that is, because even if we do lose this battle, We might not, we could still turn it around and woke could become a thing of the past and Western society could become strong again and the British empire could be revived.You know, we can dream, but even if it doesn't, even if all this stuff crumbles like Rome fell.[37:26] We're only losing the battle. The war has already been won. Christ defeated the devil. Christ conquered evil for us and he died for our sins and was resurrected for our salvation. So that is the good news, that it doesn't really matter.
 
Yeah, my God said I will build my church and the gates that will not prevail. So that's what happens in the end, irrelevant to the efforts of the enemy.I've talked to many people in, I guess, the conservative movement, and many of them would talk about, well, they're a Christian, they're a cultural Christian, and they believe certain truths. Obviously, as a commentator, that's probably something you've come across a lot. Do you want to compare that, a cultural Christian, whether that's a Christian at all, and actually a personal faith and what that means.
Yeah, I don't really think there is such a thing as a cultural Christian, it's just a Brit, right, because British values are built on Christian values and they are aligned but they're not identical, just as Western society was built on Christianity.[38:36] You're either a Christian or you're not, right, so you either believe that Jesus Christ was truly man and truly God and died on the cross for us. Or you don't. You either believe in the resurrection and we'll have eternal life in him or you don't. There is no cultural element to it.[38:52] I mean you can turn up to church and enjoy the hymns as much as you like but if you don't believe what the songs are about it doesn't really matter.
 
Can I ask you about the split you touched on at the beginning, maybe it's something to end on, the split we have seen within the church where parts of the worldwide Anglican community have basically said, oh this is not biblical, enough is enough, and have drawn the line. There is a tension there between, I guess, the liberal, progressive, woke, Western church and the more traditional church of Africa, of Latin America, Asia. Tell us about that tension because I think often we can see what's happening in the Synod or the Church of England and think, well, it's all going to pot, but there are those bright sparks of tension desiring truth.
Oh yeah, absolutely. The majority of people in the Church are faithful and the majority of churches are orthodox. It's just this minority in the West, England, Wales, Scotland, America, Canada, and Australia that are falling more rapidly because they've left behind their orthodoxy.[40:09] So in Anglicanism for example, the Church of England has entered apostasy now, it is promoting heresy as acceptable. So the Church of England has left the wider Anglican communion and we see this manifesting itself in several ways, but GAFCON, which represents 80% of Anglicans around the world, has said, well you guys have left us, therefore we now renounce you. So we don't see the Archbishop of Canterbury as the first among equals, he's no longer our leader. So now we're entering a period where conversations are being had with primates, bishops and church leaders around the world, saying do we need to elect a new leader? Do we need a leader at all? How is this all going to work?And there's a meeting next month, the next GAFCON, which is the fourth global meeting in Rwanda. I'm going to head out there and see what's what and see what they decide. But it's going to be very interesting and very exciting. Though it's not just the Anglican Church, you know, the German Catholic bishops are trying to copy with their same-sex blessings and heretical views and the the Pope needs to have a strong firm hand and say, no, this is, This is you're excommunicated, be gone with you.[41:16] Because there is an outcome of punishment that does come on. I mean even when it talks about the Lord's Supper, communion, remembering Jesus' death, and it talks about judgment upon the church, judgment upon yourself, if you enter into that without reverence and without recognizing your sin.So I guess at some point there is that punishment.[41:48] And not that I want you to end on full fire and brimstone, but I'm curious kind of how that plans out because as British living here, this is our country.We've grown up with churches and seen them slide into, I guess, depravity often.But I guess there is a line where God says, enough is enough.
 
Yeah absolutely and false teachers and false prophets will be punished more than everyone else because they're leading people astray and that's the issue there. Our shepherds were supposed to lead our sheep right and if you lead people the wrong way that's gonna upset God because he wants everyone to love him and he wants to love everyone. So I mean I'm trying not to put a negative spin on it but I'm trying to see what's the positive of that in that we are called to be good Christians and good shepherds and good sheep and we all have a responsibility. So if we see that our deacons, priests and bishops are leading people astray, we can hold them to account because they are servant leaders and we can remind them to be rooted in the scriptures and rooted in the tradition and the doctrines of the church and not to be chasing societal norms. And you know, none of us can do this on our own.
Calvin, thank you for your time. It's always good to talk to you.[43:13] Im sure you get, was it GB views or GB news? That you get responses from viewers and I'd encourage the viewers to certainly tune in and give their responses because I'm sure part of you being on GB news, part of the enjoyment of it is having that interaction with the viewers.
I do love the engagement with the viewers. It's fantastic. One thing I miss about radio actually, being able to have them live on the show, that kind of thing is brilliant.But yes, thank you. It's always a pleasure talking to you.
Not all. Thank you, Calvin.