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The Week According To . . . Liz Phillips

The irrepressible Liz Phillips is back, shooting from the lip while looking at some of the stories that have caught our eye in this weeks news and on social mediaLiz is the former PA to previous UKIP leaders Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten and does not pull any punches so we cant wait to hear her thinking on the topics this week including... - Tories break immigration record for the second year running as new figures released.- Hate not Hope: Monitoring the 'Migrant Hunters'- St George of Sheffield: Local council remembers career criminal, George Floyd, 3 years since his overdose.- Mass purveyors of disinformation, The BBC, unveils 'Verify' to address disinformation and build trust with audiences through transparency. Lol.- Another day and another hotel being proposed to hold hundreds of immigrants, this time in Wales, leaving the council 'extremely concerned'- Irritating TikToker fined for entering homes in 'prank'.- Senior serving UK police officer, Mo Aziz, whose work was recognised in the Queen's Birthday Honours List in court to face multiple rape charges. - Unsustainable: 616K new homes are needed each year just to keep up with the levels of immigration.- Disgrace: Man trying to get to work moves 'Just Stop Oil' activists out the way and the police go after him.- Summer in Dublin: Tent city.- Religion of Peace: We remember Lee Rigby, murdered in 2013 and the Manchester Arena bombing where 22 lost their lives in 2017.Liz Phillips was brought up as a farmer's daughter in rural Kent in South East England. She has led a varied life, working in many industries including animal feed manufacturing, fencing, paper making and security.Liz was on the management team that opened the first ever Argos store, she owned and leased three restaurants in Mid Wales and has even managed a 5000 acre estate in France!! A member of both the Referendum Party and UKIP working latterly for Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten as PA, to help achieve the referendum and Brexit vote.Liz also has fond memories of working with the late Stuart Wheeler to reach the same goal and has been married to an ex serviceman for the last 34 years.Originally broadcast live 27.5.23
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Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstin and Twitter https://twitter.com/TheBoschFawstin?s=20 To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!Links to topics discussed...Lorry https://stevelawsreport.co.uk/illegals-found-in-a-lorry-in-ipswichTorieshttps://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1661661917214126080?s=20Hope not Hate https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1661760191434567683?s=20Studentshttps://twitter.com/aliciakearns/status/1661646914012471296?s=20Saint George https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1661699491253067777?s=20BBC Verify https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1660536033572794369?s=20Asylum seekershttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/stradey-park-hotel-llanelli-proposed-26984539TikToker https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65700125Police in courthttps://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1661389586365292544?s=20New homes https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1660938166902177793?s=20Just Stop Oil https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1660928234463084547?s=20Dublin https://twitter.com/IrishLightPaper/status/1661413321105342469?s=20WE REMEMBER https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1660567408178864128?s=20

Dr Sherri Tenpenny - The Tenpenny Files, RFK Jr, Tucker Carlson and Health Security

Welcome to a special podcast exclusive edition of our latest Dr Sherri Tenpenny interview. A huge thankyou from Peter and the team at Hearts of Oak to all our podcast subscribers for helping us reach the milestone of 200k downloads.To celebrate we are releasing this interview with Dr Sherri as a 'podcast only' exclusive just for you! In this chat we discuss her regular show, 'The Tenpenny Files' and some of her latest guests including David Icke. We then unpack her recent website article, "5 Aspects of Personal Security" and we discuss the cancellation of Tucker Carlson and the presidential bid of Robert F Kennedy Jr. Tucker having been removed by Fox and the truth has yet to come out while RFK Jr has announced his candidacy for the Democrat Presidential Nomination. How will all this change the debate on vaccines? So join us for this special episode as Dr Tenpenny gives her views on all this and more, together we can keep the conversation going. Dr Sherri Tenpenny’s mission is to save lives and more importantly, to save souls.To be the voice for those who are silenced and to educate the uninformed.To shine light, expose the dark and advocate for those who have been harmed by themedical industry.Sherri is an osteopathic medical doctor, board certified in three medical specialties.Widely regarded as the most knowledgeable and outspoken physician on the adverse impact that vaccines can have on health.She has been a guest on hundreds of radio and national television programs.Sherri has lectured at Cleveland State University and Case Western Reserve Medical School, and has been a speaker at conventions, both nationally and internationally, as a recognized expert on a wide range topics within the field of Integrative Medicine.Dr. Tenpenny is the author of several books, including best seller, 'Saying No To Vaccines'.She is contributing author for several other books including 'Textbook of Food and Nutrients in Disease Management'.Her articles for magazines have been published in over 10 languages around the world.From 1986 to 1998, she was a full time Emergency Medicine physician and the director of the Emergency Department in Findlay, Ohio.Dr. Tenpenny’s corporate experience includes serving as the Medical Director at Sanoviv Medical Center, a 40-bed hospital located in Rosarita, Mexico in 2008 and Chief Medical Consultant for Parker Hannifin, a Fortune 250 Company with 60,000 employees in 48 countries, from 2012 to 2014.Currently, she attends to patients two days per week at Tenpenny Integrative Medical Center, located in Cleveland, Ohio, where patients from nearly all 50 states and 17 countries have gotten well using a combination of conventional and holistic therapies.Follow and support Dr Sherri at the following linksSubstack: https://drtenpenny.substack.com/https://tenpennywalkwithgod.substack.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/busydrtGab: https://gab.com/BusyDrTCloutHub: https://clouthub.com/Dr_TenTelegram: https://t.me/BusyDrTInstagram: https://instagram.com/busydrt?utm_medium=copy_linkBitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/QN8kAob1zRJ7/Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-593647Podcast https://tenpennyfiles.podbean.com/Website https://www.drtenpenny.com/Interview recorded 9.5.23*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstin and Twitter https://twitter.com/TheBoschFawstin?s=20 To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak. And this is a special edition interview for you who listen on the go.All of you who download and listen on any of the podcasting apps that we have on Podbean, we want to thank you for downloading 200,000 times. It's exciting to see the numbers on all of the podcasting apps grow and grow month by month. And as a thank you to you for your support and for using all the podcasting apps, we wanted to give you this Dr. Sherri Tenpenny interview.Now, it's the third interview we've done with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. This is not going to be available as a video to anyone else. It is for you who listen on the go as a thank you for your support.Now, we talk about lots of things with Dr. Tenpenny, talk about the Tenpenny Files podcast, she puts out regularly. Her past one, latest one was David Icke, so we discussed that.And then we go into five aspects of personal security, and this was an article she put up on her website, and it looks at health security, food security, financial security, home security, and spiritual security. So we delve into those and what those mean for her personally. And then we finish up on Tucker Carlson and Robert Kennedy Jr., different sides of the political spectrum.One is championing truth using media and Robert Kennedy Jr. is now running for Democratic presidential nominee and I asked Dr. Sherri Tenpenny what were her thoughts on that. A lot packed in as always and you will love listening to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and thank you for downloading, thank you for listening, Thank you for passing on all those podcasts to friends, family.We appreciate it. And we couldn't have done it without you. So thank you.And here is Dr. Tenpenny
And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have Dr. Sherri Tenpenny back with us, I think for the third time. Dr. Tenpenny, thank you for your time today.(Dr Sherri Tenpenny)
Oh, thank you so much for having me.
Not at all. And of course, everyone can find you @BusyDrT, which is on the screen there on Twitter, Gab, Truth Social.There are other social media sites and you can get a full list on drtenpenny.com.You can go there and go to the more section and the social media and get a whole list of everywhere, including Rumble, CloutHub, all the video sections.So everything is there on the website, which makes it so much easier.But Dr. Tenpenny, I saw a number of your recent guests on Tenpenny Files podcast.And David Icke I saw as your most recent, and just before that was Peter McCullough.Do you wanna just tell us a little bit about your guests and how subscribing and actually paying a monthly subscription actually benefits you and helps you to continue doing what you're doing?Well, you know what they say is it takes a village to raise a child.Well, it takes a village to run a big organization.You know, we have lots of podcasts. I do seven podcasts a week.We have lots of other things that we do in terms of our online stores.A lot of the writing that I do, I do two substacks a week. And then I do a lot of travel and speaking at conferences.And there's just a big organization that is behind that. And people frequently say to me, what can we do to support you?I mean, how can we, how can we help? Well, there's two things. I always tell people that that are the best number one please be sure to keep us all in your prayers. I mean, it's really important, you know the work that we do we have to stay healthy. We have to stay safe, We've always got people that are always coming after us whether it's a state medical board or whether it's you know online trolls or whether it's fact-checkers or whoever the heck it is, you know.So praying for our health and welfare and safety is number one and we're greatly appreciative for that, The other is if you just support the things that we do.I mean, if you're gonna buy vitamins anyways, we appreciate you shopping with us.You know, I always love our swag and the things that we have inside of our store.In fact, I always tell people, you know, I buy my own stuff.I buy my own swag, you know? So this is a cup that I use.It says, normal isn't coming back, but Jesus is.And so, you know, I got my own t-shirts and sweatshirts and I literally purchase them.They don't come to me for free.So we do that. And then our podcasts, there's four different levels.If you go to drtenpenny.com and you hover over the podcast tab, there's four different levels of podcasts.And we've done that to sort of respect people's times and people's budgets, because there's lots of podcasts that people want to listen to, and there's lots of things that they want, and maybe they've only got limited time.So there's four different levels that you can do that to support us.You know, if you join the premium podcast members, you get, not only do you get all of the, this week with Dr. T, we do a special podcast every week.It's called The Deep Dive with Dr. T, which I think two of the podcasts that you were referring to with David Icke and Peter McCullough, and it's for every one of our guests that we do the online broadcast on Monday morning at 9 a.m.It's called This Week with Dr. T, which is sort of a what's going on in your life and tell us about your book and what you're kind of doing, what do you think about politics and things like that.And then The Deep Dive is a second one only for our premium podcast members that talks about, we do an interview with people on a much more personal level because a lot of people know us from our stage presence or by our reputation, like they know me talking about vaccines and things like that, but they don't really know who you are. And so I start the first question on the deep dive. Where were you born?Tell us a bit about your childhood. And how did you decide to go to be fill-in-the-blank, an astrophysicist a doctor or whatever?It is and some of those things that come out that you learn about people you just had no idea because you know them as this like David Icke is this big, you know, personality that's been a big writer and been around for a long time, been quite controversial and then when you ask them about what really motivates you what keeps you going in this fight, I mean, what do you see is the biggest problem in the world?And when you're not working, what do you like to do for fun?You know, and those are the kinds of questions that we do on the deep dives.And so those are only for our premium podcast members.And I took some time off in them in April for another project.I was working on and I needed to get some rest quite honestly.And so we played some of the deep dive.We played some of the deep dive interviews that just to kind of show people what they get as part of their premium podcast benefit.They also get 15% discounts on all of the supplements and on the on the swag that we sell and we do lots of four-part courses.That they get lifetime access to for educational benefits.And so we really try to make it a win-win, you know, when they support us financially, we try to provide back to them things that they really want.And on Friday, we have an email that's called Friday Focus, that's usually topically related.So on Friday, say, I think last week was about kids. So we had an article about children, And then there would be a vitamin and maybe a vaccine course.And we're affiliates with MyPillow. And MyPillow has these really cool childhood pillowcases that have Bible stories on them so that when you put your kid to bed at night, you can talk about Noah and the Ark.You can talk about those sorts of things. And so we make it educational, informational, and promotional because we can't do this for free. And we have a lot of people who say, I can't believe you're not doing this for the cause.And I always like to say back to them, well, do you have a job? Yes.Well, then this is what I'd like you to do. I would like you to go to your boss this week and say to your boss, for the next month, I am gonna work for no paycheck.I'm gonna work for free, just for the cause of this company, just to make sure this company's going.And of course, I don't get any takers, that sort of thing. But you know, it kind of puts it in context.You know, this is work, it's the time, it's what we do. It's like the same for you.I mean, people don't understand that when you have an online business, there's a lot of expenses that go along with it.And when you do podcasting, there's a lot of expenses and a lot of work that goes behind that because they're seeing the final product. So we try to make it mutually beneficial that we provide things. We do surveys quite frequently asking people, what do you want? What do you like? What do you not like? What do you wish we'd stop talking about? You know, things like that. So we try to make it beneficial.So if people are interested, they can go to drtenpenny.com and hover over the podcast tab and see what's there. And you can see all the special events that are there and you can pick and choose what you want.
Tell me, because on the front of your website, DrTenpenny.com, you say doctor and voice of reason about vaccines and current events. And it's intriguing watching, as we've all watched the last three years unfold, people bringing their expertise into the vaccine side, into the harms, into all of that development. But then that widening, because realizing what has happened over the last three years actually is that, but also much more. What is it like for you? I'm always intrigued talking to individuals as doctors that actually have widened up past the simple medical side to other events that are happening that feed into that. Can you just kind of talk into that thinking, that understanding, and that widening your approach?
Well, I've been doing this for 23 years, so it was just a natural extension for me to go from talking about the paediatric childhood schedule and the problems with that, and that there's no such thing as safe, there's no such thing as effective, there's no such thing as necessary, and that all shots, no matter which one you're talking about, can all cause harm. And I started into that realm, I would say took a deep dive in that rabbit hole But way back in September of 2000 and I've written several books and I've done hundreds if not thousands of interviews on Podcasts and television and etc on that. So when the COVID shots came out, it was just a natural, extension, lateral move extension to me to go, oh, what's this all about? And you know, I understood from, day one. I mean, I remember in March of 2020 when this all started to roll out, I mean in the very first, you know news conference that had Trump and Birx and you know Fauci and the crew and I remember, you know sitting upstairs in my upstairs office where I'm sitting at the computer like this and the television is like right over there and I'm watching it and I'm thinking whoo, this is really bad. You know, this is really a spiritual warfare that we're about to engage in and, You know, we better roll up our sleeves and get busy and so I prayed about it and I said Lord, what do you want me to do with this?I mean, you know, I've been doing all these things for the last 23 years.Like now what?And I just in my spirit just heard him say back to me, carpet bomb the neighborhood.I was like, what does that mean?So I looked up the word carpet bomb. You know, it's like I always say when, you know, I say this frequently, the thoughts are things, words have power and definitions are important.So when I looked up carpet bomb, what it says is is massively as wide and bright, broad and deep as you possibly can in the shortest period of time, do whatever it is you're going to do.I'm paraphrasing, but that gives you the idea.So I'm like, okay, so that means I need to do a lot of this.So I contacted Michelle, my assistant, and I said, roll up your sleeves, buttercup.You know, and buckle up, we're going to really be flying here. So in 18 months, I did over 600 interviews. And just to put that in context for your listeners, I usually do about 30 a year.So I did over 600, just warning people about the myth of the mask, the nonsense of the social distancing, the fraud and danger of the PCR testing, and what was coming through these experimental shots. And in May of 21, I did a webinar called the 20 Mechanisms of Injury of how the COVID shots can harm you or can make you chronically sick or kill you.Bad planning on my part, that happened. I plugged it in on Mother's Day weekend, and I had all these people who said to me, could you do it again? I really wasn't available for that. So we did it again in July, and by then I came up with 20 more mechanisms of injury, so a total of 40 mechanisms of injury of how the COVID shots can make you chronically sick or kill you. And it was really, really broadly and widely accepted. I had a lot of people that enrolled in that webinar. That was in July of 21. And it was been so interesting to me from July of 21, rolling forward all the rest through 21, 22, and now into 23, seeing just the plethora, like almost like drinking from a fire hose of how many articles and documentation and things like,things that like Ed Dowd is doing with the all-cause mortality and Peter McCullough is coughing out every day on his Substack and all of us that everything that is that has happened since then I saw that all and did it in July of 21. so I've watched this sort of continue to roll out and it's interesting of how many people that knew nothing about this who are are now like the superstars on the stage.And they're kind of new to the game. They're kind of just kind of showing up to the last minute here, but hey, better late than never.And if they can use their notoriety and their CV with their long list of credentials.I mean, Peter McCullough has so many credentials behind his name.It takes up two entire lines on a piece of paper to write all of his initials.And honestly, I don't even know what most of them stand for.And I'm a physician, but it's just, If you can use your level of criteria and your credentials to get mainstream media's attention, even if it's Fox, if it's not really CNN, whoever you can get that to happen.Then that's gonna save lives and that's really what's important.
Dr. Tenpenny, you talked about kind of the political side of it and looking at the huge battle between the Democrats, Republicans over this.And then into the mix steps, Robert Kennedy Jr. and announces as he is standing as a Democrat nominee for presidential candidate.That intrigued me. I've obviously watched him, not much before, but actually over the last three years and been intrigued and inspired by a lot of what he's done. And then he announced his running for this candidacy for president. What are your thoughts on that? Kind of what he brings on the medical understanding?
Well, I've known Bobby personally for a long time. You know, we've had dinner together multiple times. We've shared the stage at various conferences. He's wicked smart.He's really, really smart.And he can rattle off that data and statistics and articles that he's read unlike almost anybody else I know.I know that, I personally think he's being very brave.And now that he's come out in the last couple of days and said, it's the CIA who killed my dad and my uncle.I mean, I know that a lot of people early on said, Well, I hope that he's not the next Kennedy that's shot.And because he's pretty fearless and for him to take such a strong stand, which he has for the last three years, about things that's all wrong about these mandates and these COVID shots.He's been an environmental lawyer most of his career. And I heard him speak just the other day saying that, yes, I believe in the environment, but I do not believe in this green agenda.I mean, it's just one more weaponizing thing against the American public.Yes, do we need to do something about the environment? Yes, but that's not it.You know and and I'm hoping that he'll be able because of he is a Kennedy And he is a democrat that is putting forth more of a conservative message, about the about the green movement about mandates about these shots and about, You know all the things and he wrote this whole book about Fauci, you know, like the real Fauci and I'm exposing that, that he will get air time on some of the mainstream shows you know talking shows and also interviews that and will put this information out in front of people who've just been CNN devotees this entire last three years and have no idea that there's another side to the story. So whether Bobby gets to the place where he's actually a candidate and a serious candidate as far as real politics go, I think between now and then he's going to do an amazing, wonderful job for humanity, for the American people.I think he's being very brave for what he's doing, but he's pretty fearless because he just believes truth is truth and right is right.And I think it's going to be a very, very interesting couple of, you know, few months leading up to this.And I hope that mainstream media will really listen to him speak.I mean, it's sort of like when Trump first came on the scene, nobody would let him speak either, you know?And now we already, excuse me, we already know that one of Bobby's interviews, I mean, they cut out many of the things out of the interview that they didn't like, and they admitted that they cut it out because it went against their policy.I mean, like, if that doesn't start waking more people up that, like I said, have been still claimed that they don't know or whatever, I don't think there's anything that can.But I think that Bobby would, I think if he ever got to the place where he was actually elected as president.I think he would be a very, very, he'd be kind of like Trump in terms that he would be a disruptor.Because even though he's a Democrat, I mean, he's got his blood runs with the word Democrat in it.I mean, literally, his family is the representative of the Democratic Party and always has been.He doesn't tow the Democratic Party line, not even the JFK, his uncle's Democratic Party line.So he's in because he spent so much time with all the rest of us that are kind of Trump conservatives, You know And he's got his own opinions about Trump and how that actually happened remember that Trump had approached him right early on and wanted to have him do this vaccine safety commission and, Bobby's side of that story is that he went back and put together a panel of people and contacted people and every time he went back to the Trump administration to try to move that forward he was stonewalled and sort of tossed underneath the bus.And we've subsequently learned that that was probably Pfizer representatives that were kind of doing that.But it could be very, very interesting as he moves forward into his political career.
Because what you have had so far, I guess, is a debate in the Republican side.And a quite fierce debate moving over to scepticism and concern of the rollout.But on the Democrat side, it's been absolute silence. So to have him dropped into that actual debate, I'm looking forward to having him as one of the candidates because he cannot be ignored.And this issue is put out into that section of society that refuses to accept it.So to me, it's really exciting.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's gonna be very interesting.And when I said earlier about people praying for me, I think we should all be praying for Bobby, seriously for his safety and for his message, and for how he's gonna move forward into this deep state, horrible sort of political system that we find ourselves in these days.It's gonna be interesting.One of the things about getting message out, I guess, is media and obviously watching what's happened with Tucker Carlson, as none of us can see behind the curtain, not yet anyway.Hopefully it'll all be revealed. But one of his recent interviews, I think he gave before he knew he was going to lose his job at Fox.And he said, the media's job was not to inform you.They're working for the small group of people who actually run the world.They are the servants, and we should treat them with maximum contempt because they have earned it. I mean, it,It's the media have a huge role in in the cover-up on the last three years andI mean what are your thoughts about, because Tucker has always been, I thought was full-on wanting to talk the truth, been fully red-pilled, but I guess there were constraints there in a network. Now that he doesn't have those constraints, I'm quite excited about where he goes. I mean how have you viewed that as an individual and then the wider media debate?
I totally agree with you, you know, and I've listened to some of Tucker's offline interviews that he's had with people like yourself or other, you know, alternative media, people with platforms, and I've just listened to him talk about his background and his pursuit in truth, however that lands.And it'll be interesting to see what he does when the chokehold is off, because he was really pushing the envelope.It reminded me an awful lot of back, oh, how long ago was this now?10, 12 years ago, when Glenn Beck was on Fox and how he really pushed the envelope, you know, with his big chalkboards and all the pictures and he was connecting all the dots.He was really pushing the envelope in terms of calling out people in a spade a spade.And I've kind of wondered if Tucker might join, you know, the Glenn Beck network or set up something similar on his own where he can just tout freedom of speech.He can have anybody that he wants on a bit.You know, I think that when he did the interview with Elon Musk and he did that full on interview with Trump. I mean, I think that the powers that be at Fox said that's enough. We just can't do this.Completely. I just want to take a piece you put on, people can obviously find on the Substack, but also directly on the website. And one piece was five aspects of personal security.And I want to pick on some of those that you started off by talking about health security.And you said you can't have maximum security if you can't have good health.And I think that's been brought to the fore over the last three years.And then in that, you talk about your immune system and you talk aboutdifferent supplements that are taken, and I know this is an area that you've taken on, that you have products you promote. Do you want to tell us about that? Because I know some people look at it sceptically on supplements. Some people think, well, they eat enough, and then you realize actually a lot of the food you eat doesn't necessarily work its way right into your immune system, that is wasted. But tell us about your thoughts on that and how, I guess, the benefits of making sure you take supplements to maximize your immune system.We always used to say, let your food be your medicine. And that's when you could get guaranteed good food, you know, that was actually vine-ripened, grown organically, not sprayed with with pesticides or this new stuff that they're calling apeal to make it stay around forever.I mean, with this chemical E-471 in it, that we have no idea, there's no very little research on it even.I mean, the patent itself says, we don't know what happens when you heat it and we don't know how much you can take and how much is dangerous and how much is not, but it doesn't really matter. We'll just spray it on all of our fruits, fruits and vegetables, right?Kind of like the COVID shots. No long-term studies, no experimental trials, even in animal, but not to worry.It's safe and effective, just take it.So we used to be able to say food is our medicine. And when we could eat organic and eat vine ripened things, not things that were picked way prematurely and aged with chemicals, that would be really good.But since our soils are depleted now, our soils are contaminated with things in the air.When I grew up, I grew up on a farm and my father was a chiropractor, but he was what at the time they would call a resident farmer, which means that we had a big farm, but we rented out the land to local farmers to farm them.And I just so remember this, Peter, that the cash crops that you would do is you would do corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, soy.And in the seventh, you'd do corn, wheat, I'm sorry, corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, wheat.And in the seventh year, you would do soy.And what soy was at that point in time was that it was not a product.It wasn't like a food in the health food industry or all these terrible things they've done with this horrible stuff they call soy.It was ploughed it back into the soil.So at the end of the season, when the soybeans would all dry out, the farmers would go in and plow it into the soil because the stuff that's in the beans and the stock and in the leaves, it had high levels of nitrogen in it.And it was so restorative to the soil so that in the next round of corn, wheat, corn, wheat, corn, wheat, they had restored the soil.They don't do that anymore.And it was in about the 1980s when the powers that be, big food looked across the country and said, we've got 80,000 or 800,000 acres of soybeans out there.We could be eating that. Let's do something with that. So we ended up with these crappy things with all this junky soy in it, in terms of our food products. We've got depleted soil because we don't mineralize it and all the stuff, the chemtrails or whatever out of the air.We, and the manufacturing processes, process everything and put all the food additives and things in it.And I've long said, if you're reading a label on a box and you can't pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.And so it's, so with all of those things that we call food in air quotes.How can you possibly be getting the adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals and nutrients out of the stuff that's supposed to be your medicine?You can't.And so you really do need to supplement and take a really good quality multivitamin.There's other types of nutrients. There's a long list of things that you take according to various different conditions that you take.So I really believe in, when you learn when you're in medical school, and you learn in biochemistry, the Krebs cycle, which is how you turn your food into energy, those intermediate steps of that Krebs cycle, there are vitamins and minerals and things like coenzyme Q10 that turn the crank.So to think that it's stupid or that it's not relevant, or it's just a scam for people to make money, That means you don't know anything about nutrition and you know probably even less about biochemistry.The other thing on health security, I think, and we're certainly seeing here in the UK, I assume you are in the US as well, is massive waits to see doctors.And it does seem to be killing people, people on waiting lists for a massive amount of time.I know I phoned up with one of my children and I had phoned on and then was given a survey, had to fill in the survey, and then someone contacted me to go through the survey, and then I was put through to talk to someone who could then maybe make the appointment to see a doctor.It used to be so much simpler. It used to phone up, I'd be able to see someone.But I guess it's the same in the US, and that's putting a huge strain on a health system, which really should be there to look after the individuals, patients, the population.
Well, see, Peter, I have a little different view of that. I think that that's a good thing.I think, you know, unless you've got a broken bone, you're bleeding to death, you have blood in your stool, you have, you know, been vomiting for days and you're dehydrated.I think that people should learn to take better care of themselves and not abdicating some sort of care over to another human being in a white coat.You know I've long said Peter that you know we get you get one body in this lifetime that's it. You know you get how many cars, how many houses, how many different things and we take better care of our cars and our houses than we do of our bodies and we think, oh the doctor should know the anatomy. Well humans could learn a little bit about their body and how to take better care of it and if you took that if you did that and you knew those things and you weren't so afraid because we've been we have the entire health care system, it's really not even a healthcare system, it's a sick care system, all based on fear and all on that that person over there called a doctor should know how to take care of me. Well maybe we should learn a little bit more about how to take care of ourselves.There's lots and lots of books out there, you know, you may have to study a little bit, learn a little bit, there's websites, there's podcasts, there's all kinds of things that you could learn to take better care of this one thing you get for a lifetime called your own body. And unless you are really emergently sick, you know, I don't think that you really need to go to the doctor. So if the doctors become less accessible because there's a long wait for them, then maybe that should be a clue. Well, maybe I need to learn how to take care of these things myself. I mean, if you had to wait six months for a plumber to come to your house and fix your leaky faucet, you'd probably learn how to fix the leaky faucet, right? Or if you had, you know, if you had to wait for six months for an electrician to come and fix a plug, you'd probably learn how to go fix the plug yourself. Well, maybe we should apply that to our own situations, our own body, and our own real health care, instead of just abdicating that to someone else.
Yeah, well, personal responsibility does seem to be in short supply, Definitely.
Well said. But don't you agree with me that that is sort of how people, if you needed to wait for six months for a plumber, you wouldn't. You'd go out to YouTube, you'd go out to, go buy a book, you'd go ask your neighbour, do you know how to fix this? Teach me how to do this so so now I can do it myself.I mean, you know, maybe that long wait.Maybe that's not such a bad thing, at least for some of the lesser types of problems.
No, you're right. It is getting into thinking how our bodies work and not relying on a tablet, a medicine, an injection to fix it. Actually, what is wrong with your body? Think about how you look after yourself, health, food, all of that. And you're right, we've passed it over to to big pharma to fix this with medication.Yeah, for sure. And that there isn't a single one of us that has a condition because we're drug deficient. Not one of us. Now, with the sole exception of maybe insulin dependent diabetes, or, you know that you really do need something, or you've had an organ transplant and you need something to stop the rejection, but you didn't get a sinus infection or a headache or a back pain or a cough because you were drug deficient. You know, you need to think more about health because we've been co-opted to believe that symptom-free in the presence of drugs is health. And that's just not true. It's been one of those, you know, great American and great medical myth number 793, that we believe that that's the way it is when it really shouldn't be.
Let me just pick one, as we finish, one other issue, one other topic on the five aspects of personal security, which was food security.And you touched on this earlier. And I know for your Substack, you wrote about eating bugs and insects and this push from the WEF to this is now going to be future sustainment for the human population.And you actually in your Substack go into it in depth with a breakdown of which are good and which are bad.And what are your thoughts on that? Because it seems to be going against what we have believed as humans, that we have livestock, you have poultry, you have farming, and this is going to something completely different, which it seems to be pushed from the WEF.
The first part of that Substack and people could read it there was part one and part two I mean part for the first half of part one, you know, I talked about what people, what they're all saying about why this is such a good thing, you know that you you know you can have a pound of flour out of four to five thousand crickets and you know and it's more of a sustainability thing and you can have a cricket farm basically in your garage that you don't have to take up land. We don't have to deal with all those dirty farting cows that are contributing to global warming. We don't have to do any of those things, right? And that it's going to be so much better for us. And if you go out and you search for it, and you search for insect flower and edible insects and things like that, I'm going to say that unless you dig deep past the second fold of say a Google search or a DuckDuckGo, your only thing you're going to find is all of the wonders of why it's so wonderful to eat bugs and worms.So the first half of my Substack sort of talks about why they think this is so great.And then the second half of the Substack is, well, wait a minute, not so fast.I mean, bugs have parasites in them. Bugs have insects and viruses.Bugs, depending on what the bugs eat, will bring pesticides and all sorts of bad things to you.And that's one of the things they do talk about insect farming is that, you know, we have to feed the insects good stuff. Well, if insects are out in nature, do they differentiate between good stuff and bad stuff? They just eat. And so we don't know. And now there's this whole thing about insect poop, about cricket poop. And what are we going to do with the poop? And actually you can find cricket poop in jars for sale on Amazon because there's so much cricket poop now.And you can put it into your garden. I mean, we don't know what the long-term ramifications are of eating large quantities of this. And part of what their sustainability thing is that there's about 1,900 edible insects that have been identified globally.And we know that some populations like, say, Southeast Asia and maybe in the African Congo and in the Amazonian basis, where the protein is from the worms and the maggots and the crickets and the bugs that they eat, but they're eating them fresh.It's like eating, picking a tomato off the vine. It's not that they're processing them and chemicalizing them and then putting them on shelf somewhere. We don't know how long the shelf life should be. We don't know how much you should eat of this every day when it's been processed. There's a lot of unknowns that they're just sort of like when I mentioned this stuff appeal, you know, this A471 or E471, they really don't know much about it. They just started using it. So now we're doing this big thing to try to eliminate cattle and sheep and chickens and free range eggs and all the things that we have been used to eating, and they're kind of literally shoving the bugs down our throat. And I really think that people need to be highly cautious of it, and read the package inserts, and choose wisely. I mean there's now restaurants, there's one of the websites that I that I cited in that article, there's now restaurants popping up all over the world that are like insect things, insect everything's, like insect desserts, and insect coffees, and insect, insect alcohol drinks and insect flour that they, I mean, seriously, we need to stop because we have no idea on what that means to our bodies, to our own microbiomes, to what's happening to our gut.What happens when we poop out that stuff? What does that do?You know, and what does it do if you have composting and you're putting, you know, the compost into your garden and you've got crickets, cricket flour.I mean, there's so much we don't know that they just are deciding that this is what's good for us We need to do it.I enjoyed both parts, and the cricket poop was the thing that really stuck in my head.I did click through that link on Amazon. I did see it, but I didn't purchase it.
Isn't that interesting? I mean, seriously, that they've got bottled, encapsulated, cricket poop for sale in a jar somewhere. Crazy. Crazy, crazy.
Someone needs it, maybe. Very final, thought was I'm always intrigued as a Christian myself, people talk to me about what's happening and the confusion and chaos in so many areas, and I tell them, well, my certainty and confidence comes from, as a Christian, my belief in the Bible.And you also bring that out very regularly. Maybe we can just finish off on why that gives you, I guess, confidence and the ability to face everything that you do face.
Well, I got started verbally, really. You know, I made a big, big, big recommitment to the Lord.It was actually 1-1-2020. I was in an airplane coming home from St. Thomas. I'd met some people down there that really inspired me. And, you know, I'd grown up in a Christian home but had not been a practicing Christian at all. And had some things happened in the middle of 2019 that I could just feel God sort of like thunking on my head, hey you, hey you, you know, sort of thing.And I made a big commitment, Lord, I'm all in, a hundred percent in, whatever you want me to do, wherever you want me to be, whatever you want me to talk about, that was 1-1-2020.And then COVID comes March of 2020, so I guess the Lord kind of knew why he'd been thunking me on the head, right, to get busy.And then it was about June of 2020 that I was talking to Michelle, my assistant, and I said, this is so dark, it's just so dark.And she said, well, why don't we do a happy hour?And I think she meant more like, let's get together and have a glass of wine.But my idea of a happy hour was, let's talk about God.Let's talk about the Bible. Let's get together and study. And so we did.And so for five nights a week, and the verse that kept at me, Peter, that kept at me that may be,that just the Lord was just the Holy Spirit was just working on my heart was the verse that said that when Jesus said, if you will not declare me before men, I will not declare you before my Father in heaven. So it's like, well, I guess I, I don't know. Am I qualified to do this God?And then when you read over in, I think it's in, in first Corinthians where they were, or maybe it was an axe where they said, when he said, when you get pulled before people, don't worry about what you're going to say, I will tell you what to say. So when I started writing my Substacks and started doing it. We do Substacks now. It's called Happy Hour with Dr. T.It's two nights a week on Tuesday and Thursday nights. And then my Substack on Sunday is on Walking with God. It's like you just get quiet in your spirit and say, Lord, what do you want me to talk about? And something just comes. And he said in the Bible, it says, when you get called, don't be afraid of what you will say. The Holy Spirit will give you the words of what to say.So you just have to trust that. And you know that right now everything that's happening, everything that's happening is, you know, the Ephesians 6 warfare, right? That we are not fighting human beings. We are fighting powers and principalities of this present darkness.So we've got to fight spiritual with spiritual. You can't fight spiritual with guns and bullets, you know. So I think it's just important to encourage people that are Christians to be brave and bold in your faith. If you're a fence sitter, well, now's the time to get off the fence and get in the game and really be bold and brave for your Lord.You know, I don't think that, you know, when we look around at the satanic stuff that's like at the Super Bowl and there's a new play out on Broadway that's just so disgusting.It's the last, I don't know if you've seen it or seen any of the pictures.It's the Last Supper from a satanic perspective. And they have Jesus dressed up as a transvestite, transgender person.And I mean, those people, I would not want to be in their judgment seat, you know, and the people who are actually going and watching it.And so we are fighting, you know, that was the other thing, Peter, and I'll just conclude by saying this is that in March of 2020, when I looked across at that television, I said, Oh boy, we better get busy.You know, I, in my spirit, it was like, this is Satan's last hurrah.I mean, we're coming down to the final ending here, whether it's a week, a month, five years, ten years, however long it is, because the Lord Himself says, no one knows except the Father when the final days will be, but you will know by the signs. And what signs are we looking for? The signs that, as in the days of Noah, of how bad it was. And we are there. And so the other thing was, we Christians better get busy. We better get busy, because the satanic forces, the evil things on this planet. They are working 24-7.They don't give up for one minute. From everything, from your Bud Light beer can, to your television commercials, to every single thing you pick up, is about evil.And so if we're going to be Christians, then we better step it up and get the church back where it belongs, get His people back where it belongs, and to be brave and bold in what God tells us to do.
I think it's a perfect end to end on a hopeful theme and a call to action for those watching.Dr. Tenpenny, thank you as always for joining us and sharing your thoughts.
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Seth Gruber - The Lefts Love of Abortion, the Churches Silence and the Political Fightback for Life

Seth Gruber is such a powerful winsome pro life speaker and its such a pleasure to have him join Hearts of Oak today. He has been touring the US over the last 3 months speaking to educational institutions, local activists and churches. With the great news of the Supreme Court reversing Roe vs Wade we discuss with Seth how this is affecting the debate in America, why the left so passionate about killing babies and why are churches silent on this great evil. It seems that our media and sections of the population love death more than churches love life. Seth tells us how he is going church by church and pulpit by pulpit to strengthen the church and give its voice back for life, compassion and justice for future generationsSeth Gruber’s clear, concise, and persuading approach has impacted thousands across the United States, providing the tools for an audience to change the mindset of the pro-abortion population. In his later years in college, he challenged the institutions and others for their refusal to take a formal position on abortion, which accelerated the appreciation and understanding of Seth’s work among pro-life advocates, pregnancy facilities, churches, and the political domains across the United States. Seth quickly discovered the ignorant and widely indolent culture surrounding him both in and out of the church, and in the universities, which he responded with coordinated educational campaigns and booth displays, engaging with thousands of students on the topic of abortion. It also became obvious to Seth, the church needs to be awaken on abortion.Seth’s impact is real, changing the hearts and minds of so many on their position on abortion. Joining the Life Training Institute as a pro-life speaker, Seth is now a nationally renowned voice for life, the founder and president of The White Rose Resistance, which has its origins during Nazi holocaust to end the racism infiltrating the world. Pro-Life Ministries is another recent project that Seth is facilitating at churches across the 50 States and abroad. Giving countless speeches to over half a million people so far, and reaching millions through media, Seth Gruber has launched a powerful movement that is moving forward, impacting today’s generation and preparing a future generation on all platforms across the United States.Connect with Seth and The White Rose Resistance...WEBSITES: http://sethgruber.com/                  https://thewhiterose.life/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/sgruber91GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/sethgruberTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@sethgruberPODCAST: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unaborted/id1471076523Interview recorded 17.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Seth Gruber. Seth Gruber is the CEO and founder of the White Rose Resistance, host of Unaborted.And a Turning Point USA ambassador. And I've watched many of his debates, many of his podcasts.I bumped into him at a CNP conference in Miami in February. And he has such a winsome position on this. We've had other speakers and Seth brings something different. So we start with him presenting what the pro-life position is, why we need to remind ourselves the importance of standing up for those with no voice, those with few rights in society, and then we look at why the left are so passionate about abortion, why they're desperate, desperate to fund as much, as many abortions as they can. Where does that come from? So we talk about that craziness, I guess, in the left.A passion for death more than we have a passion for life. And then we go into the institutions. He's just been on a tour. Numerous tours, all sold out. He is based in California, but moving all across the country. Got another set of dates coming up in autumn, in the fall. You can check out that on on his website, sethgruber.com, and be a part of that if you are in the area.And he talks about engaging with the political sphere, engaging with local activism, engaging with the church, and why the church is so sound on this issue.Whether they should be the most vocal about standing up for the rights of those who have no voice. You'll love listening to Seth presenting this in such a winsome way.And hello Hearts of Oak. Today it is an honour to talk to the CEO and founder of the White Rose Resistance, host of Unaborted, a Turning Point USA Ambassador and that is Seth Gruber. Seth, thank you for your time today.
(Seth Gruber)
Yeah Peter, good to be on with you man, thanks for your program and being willing to talk about the issues that so many wont.
Always, as I said to you before we went on there. It's my red line as a Christian. How can you talk about life and not actually defend life? But we'll get into all that. All the links are sethgruber.com, thewhiterose.life and all the other links are in the description @sgruber91 on Twitter. Everything else is there. But just the white rose, that seeks to educate the public about the humanity of the unborn baby, to expose a grotesque immorality of the pro-choice position and inspire the church to accomplish her spiritual duty of ending the greatest injustice of our time. But if I could just, for the viewers and listeners, we have had pro-life speakers on before, including my good friend Scott Klusendorf, and we've had Jannique Stewart on a number of times. While being pro-life is not one of our key aims and organization. I think it's essential that our audience regularly hears a reasoned defence of the importance of life and for those watching who are Christians, they command all Christians, Proverbs 31.8 and many other places, but says speak out on behalf of the voiceless and for the right of all who are vulnerable and who is more voiceless than than the unborn. But that's my prelude. Seth, before we move into the issue and for our UK audience, probably 65% UK, 30% US, but who maybe do not know you, could I ask you to introduce yourself before we move on to the sanctity of life.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Peter. Yeah, I've been a pro-life activist since I was a foetus.So I've been in these waters, I guess, quite literally for a long time. My mother was the executive director of a pregnancy resource centre while pregnant with me in Los Angeles County.So she took over a centre in her late 20s in Azusa, California, which is right where APU is, Azusa Pacific University. And then she married my father and continued directing that centre until she gave birth to me, so she was waddling around the centre as the executive director, and only stepped down once I was born. We have the pamphlet announcing my mother stepping down from directing the Pro-Life Pregnancy Centre to welcome me and to be a stay-at-home mom.Then I did the Walk for Life every year and supported our local pregnancy centre. I was one of the top childhood fundraisers, although I was more incentivized by the free bicycles and Disneyland tickets, but at seven, eight, nine years old.Obviously I was swimming in those waters already and I had an understanding of something's going, something's wrong here, something's evil here.It wasn't until my senior year of high school, now I was home-schooled through eighth grade and then I went to public high school, and this is Whittier High School in Los Angeles County, it's actually Richard Nixon's alma mater, and they told me I couldn't pick the topic of abortion for my senior project.And so I, it's sort of, now I'm only embellishing a little bit here, Peter, okay?I basically said, here's a copy of the constitution. You're making me read a government class.I recommend you read it or you're gonna have a lawsuit on your hands.And so I actually did, I did threaten a lawsuit to Whittier High School at 18 years old, public high school.And, you know, they weren't ready for a classically educated home schooler.And so they backed off real quick.I did my senior project on the issue of abortion and I did my volunteer hours that everyone had to do to graduate.I don't know if they do this anymore, by the way. It used to be a little more difficult to graduate.You actually had to like work hard, but like you had to do a like 10 page research paper.You had to give a speech at the end of the year and you had to do field work hours that aligned with your topic selection.And so I did those at the Centre for Bioethical Reform, CBR, led by Greg and Lois Cunningham, my godparents, because my mother was on the board of directors for CBR when it was founded in 1990, in 1991.So, the first thing they had me do as a senior in high school was to scan 300 images of first trimester mutilated aborted babies on their high-end scanner and categorize the photos in their database for their educational projects.So, for two days straight, about six hour, two six hour shifts, I'm scanning and looking at choice.I'm scanning and looking at reproductive health care and women's rights, allegedly.And that was probably one of the biggest turning points in my life was actually being forced to look at the eyeballs, noses, faces, ears, fingers, hands, arms of slaughtered little children, all at the seven, eight, nine, and ten week stage.I mean, this is what I was told was pregnancy tissue by the culture.And I had never seen those photos before, even as a pro-life student with a mother who had been the director of a pregnancy centre, I had never seen those photos before.And so that we're talking about, of course, when 90% of abortions are performed, the first trimester, and when there's the greatest public support for abortion, the first trimester.And so then I went up to a Christian college in Santa Barbara, started a pro-life club there, learned that I was not so much amongst friends as I thought, I thought, Christian college, right, Peter, like everyone's pro-life, right?I was home-schooled, right? I mean, come on, every Christian's pro-life.How naïve I was. I did not realize that when I enrolled there as a freshman. I learned that there are pro-abortion professors on the payroll, actually, at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California. And some people, they really don't like when I go after my alma mater, and I'm not very popular there. I don't really care. Here are their names.Omidy Oceng, he no longer teaches there, though I took public speaking from him. He's pro-abortion.He once said in an email, he said that the students at Westmont College were best served when our chapel speakers invited us to tarry in the liminal spaces of complexity on the abortion issue.And then there's a Deborah Dunn in the Communication Studies Department who I had an email debate with, who had advertised the Planned Parenthood, no, a internship with the local Planned Parenthood, funded and sponsored representative named Lois Capps.She's only like pro-abortion through point of birth, Peter, like in Santa Barbara, local politician, right?And Planned Parenthood lackey. And my Christian college is advertising internship opportunities with the pro-homosexuality, pro-LGBTQ ally, pro-abortion through point of birth Democrat politician in Santa Barbara and the Christian college in that city whose motto is Christ preeminent in all things is telling their students, Hey, check out this cool internship.With who? The spirit of the age? You know, it reminds me of something Fulton Sheen once said, Peter, if you wed yourself to the spirit of the age, you'll find yourself a widow in the next.But you know, you're not allowed to talk about those kind of things at Westmont College.And so let's see who else was there. There was a married doctor, a Spanish professor, who's pro abortion as well. And then a married couple, Chris and Sherry Heckley, who teach in different departments and they're both pro abortion. So that's like five or six professors on the payroll of a Christian college whose motto is Christ preeminent in all things, who defend abortion through point of birth. And so I started finding the steel in my spine, actually, Peter, at a Christian college, not at a state college, which, you know, might surprise some people. It shouldn't today, by the way. It should not surprise you. Most Christian colleges are just kind of what Bonhoeffer meant when he said cheap grace.And so I did my summer job with the CBR. So that was my summer job.When I would come home from college, I was a paid intern for them.And I helped organize and run probably over 10 or 11 genocide awareness projects on university campuses in Southern California with the big aborted baby photos that compare abortion to historically recognized forms of genocide.So that's my background, Peter. And then when I graduated at Westmont, I joined Life Training Institute under the tutelage of Scott Klusendorf and began speaking in youth groups and Protestant Catholic high schools and the occasional church that had the balls to actually speak out on life and let me have the pulpit.And then at the end of 2020, everything changed. I had had all my speaking cancelled for several months, obviously.And then I met Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy.Rob McCoy became my pastor. We moved our family from South Orange County to Godspeed Calvary Chapel. I started the pro-life ministry there. We built that ministry there It's now saving babies on a monthly basis, it's got sidewalk counsellors mentor families for those who choose life celebrating them throwing their baby showers post-abortion healing and orphan foster care.I ran my show out of Rob studio, Rob, of course with the mayor of Thousand Oaks the the city just north of LA County while the senior pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel.And when he told Governor Gavin Newsom-Leany in California that he wouldn't be shutting his church and he opened it, he had lawsuits. And they actually came to possibly arrest him and the elders.And then a thousand Christians from around California showed up in the parking lot of Godspeak Calvary Chapel that Sunday and said, start with us.So those are my people, that's my church. And that's how God started kind of moving through my ministry to mobilize and awaken pastors and the church to get engaged.And so we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning of Roe versus Wade to rebuild Christian resistance before it's too late to get the church engaged and stop waiting for pro-life ministries and pregnancy centres to do the job that god's called the church to do actually, Which is to be the hands and feet of Jesus to hold back those staggering toward the slaughter to speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves pure and undefiled religion love the orphan and the widow the unborn child is definitely an orphan in god's view, because his parents want him dead and so that's we're building kind of the turning point USA of the pro-life movement, is the goal peter?And to actually get the church mobilized at the local level to end abortion.And so we go on to college campuses, we go into churches, we've had two of those tours this season, we're doing another one in the fall, and we're hiring and we're growing. So if any people in the US are interested, head over to thewhiterose.life, head on over to Red Balloon, and, apply if you think that God's called you to end abortion.Well, let's go on the issue. I mean, I've heard Greg Cunningham twice in the UK, a fascinating, an absolute hero. And I've loved watching Jack Hibbs during the lockdown with someone who's fearless and will stand up to anyone, love it. But on the issue, I mean, at hand, I mean, why should we care what people want to do with their own private lives? I mean, surely it's up to women or now that men can have babies, it's up to men as well to do they want to do with their own body.Yeah, I mean, the culture of death has crept in to the church a lot, Peter, and so we say silly things like that, and I hear Christians say things like that, who sometimes even say that they're pro-life, right?The typical line, like, I wouldn't get an abortion. But I mean, I personally am pro-life.It's like saying, I'm personally against slavery, but if my neighbour Bob wants to purchase black men, I mean, who am I to say, you know?So, I mean, the culture of death, it creeps in, and we begin to parrot the culture.We begin to sound more like the culture of death than we sound like the blood-bought Christ, the blood-bought bride of Christ.And that's a problem. It's a real critique, I think, on the church, that we don't actually take the liturgy of our own faith seriously, that we don't actually catechize our children.And so they do get catechized, that they get catechized by the culture, which has its own kooky religious premises as well, doesn't it?And so, I mean, that's kind of how I always start because it's like the fact that that's even an acceptable statement for some Christians to say is I think a real judgment on the church, you know?Why should we care what they do with their body? I mean, it's like, okay, do we have to do this? Okay, all right.I was a pre-born male. I was a male in the womb.God was knitting me together in the womb. And if you just want to go this purely scientific route, right, if you're talking to an atheist, I was developing myself from within.We know from the science of embryology that the pre-born child develops them self, right?The mother's not like asking baby to grow. It's like the child's directing their own internal growth from within.That's what it means to be a pre-born human being. And so my male genitalia was developing itself in the womb, Peter, which means thatI was not my mother's body. I know that's super sciencey for pro-choicers. I know that's super hard to follow. But pregnant women actually don't have male genitalia. And so if a pre-born male, unborn child, can be a male and have their male genitalia being developed, then they are not their mother's body. There's lots of ways to poke fun at this, obviously.Here's another one. Let's say a pregnant woman had intractable nausea, Peter, and could not stop throwing up due to her pregnancy.She's tried diplegias. She's tried other forms. Nothing stopped the nausea.She's almost on bed rest now. She can't keep any food down.So she goes to her OB, Peter, and she says, you know, I really need some of that thalidomide.Nothing is stopping this nausea.And he goes, well, I'm not going to give you thalidomide, ma'am.It's illegal. Plus, don't you know your baby is likely to be born without any arms?And she ignores him. She finds some illegally anyways and takes it.Four months later, her baby's born without any arms. Did she do anything wrong?Every time I've asked that to a pro-choice or on a college campus, their eyes glaze over, Peter. And most of them say, hell yeah, because I trick them.I get them because, you know, reality always reasserts itself in the end, doesn't it?And when it does, it'll slap you in the face hard.And so I always trick them because I'm just, they're acknowledging a portion of reality, but they're trying to suppress the rest of that in order to maintain their pro-choice delusions.And so every college student I've asked that to, Peter has said, hell yeah, that's effing wrong. That's effed up, dude.What the, you know, like they think it's like really effed up and really wrong.And then I say to them, who the hell are you to judge her?It's her body, her choice. The foetus has no right to her body anyways.If she can murder the baby, she can certainly intentionally harm the child in a way that doesn't kill the child.Yeah, are you telling me, ProChoicer, that it's worse to harm someone than to kill someone?Because that's what they're saying, right?When they say she has a right to abortion, but it's wrong and effed up for her to take thalidomide to get rid of her nausea, and her baby will be alive, likely.Her baby will live. those being born without any arms. And they go, that's screwed up, man, because she knew that she was doing something that could harm her child.Do you hear yourself right now? So there's always lots of ways to kind of poke fun at it.But what does that do? It reveals that deep down, they know that the body in her body is not her body.So why do we care about what other people do with their body, Peter?Because sometimes you can use your body in a way that intentionally harms or kills other human beings. That's why. And when you do that, that's wrong and that should be illegal and we should have laws against that, that's why.When I talk to friends on the left, I do have some of them still, and they seem to be, passionate about abortion. In fact, I have some friends who I didn't think they had any interest apart from just their social media themselves, what they watch on TV, and you discuss current affairs, no interest, and then you mention the issue of, well, maybe it's not right to take the life of another human being through abortion and they literally manifest and suddenly they become so passionate about killing babies. This seems to be what they're about. How have we kind of, how have we come to that that there is so much passion for death in part of our society?How have we come to that? I mean like how have we not come to that? I mean that's the history of of humanism, that's the history of most civilizations throughout all of human history.Most civilizations practiced human sacrifice. So like most civilizations practice slavery.In fact, every civilization did. So I'm like, I think the church has to kind of, I think conservatives have grown so comfortable, and cushy with our freedoms in the West and we're watching those freedoms, you know, obviously, deteriorate or disappear entirely really quickly, and especially in America, right?Because we tend to linger a little behind the UK and Canada, you know, culturally and politically, Peter. We're so comfortable and we're like, what is going on?You know, it's like, how did this happen? It's like, what are you talking about?Like, this is the norm, y'all.This is the norm. You've grown so fat on liberty that you've mistaken it for libertinism and licentiousness.This killing human beings, innocent human beings, and sacrificing them to kooky deities with the belief that your life will be improved is actually quite normal.Yeah, it was Christianity, y'all, that kind of brought about this concept of the sanctity of life, the rights of the individual.That human being is have dignity because they're created in the image of God.And so this concept of the Imago Dei kind of really, in a very real way, provided the basis for this idea called human equality and human rights that we've taken for granted.So most people who hate Christianity, Peter, wouldn't want to live in an America without it or in a country without it.You know, it's the same people who say that God doesn't exist, but they also really hate him.You know, it's like wait a second. Um, I'm not sure I think I think you got the math wrong there. Um, you know, I think they like the American humanist association what's exist, what existed for the eradication of God, but they were all atheists, it's like so you want to eradicate someone that doesn't exist, it's like that's a little weird but it's like eternity's written on the heart of man, right?Like we all know there's a god just like we all know we're killing babies We all know this. Um, I just talked to a crazy kooky pro-choicer at San Diego state university.And he was talking about the thing in the womb, the thing in the uterus, and he called it a baby.And then he corrected himself and he said foetus. And I said, ah, shoot.Yeah, you said baby, didn't you? Ah, yeah, Freudian slip, right?And I told him, I was like, it's okay. Pro-choicers do that a lot because reality always reasserts itself.And you know it's a baby, but you've got to try to use dehumanizing terms to justify child sacrifice so you can have orgasms without responsibility, huh?That's why you actually, you slipped up there, huh, brother?And he laughed. He was like, yeah. So I've had that interaction more than once, actually, being around college campuses where they accidentally called a baby.That just happened last year at UC Berkeley, too. The dude was talking about the fetus, and he called it a baby.And then he changed it. He said, foetus.I was like, ah. And so we all know, actually, what we're doing.That's the bottom line andI think that the church in particular has to start treating this issue and really the broader secular moral revolution as a secular regressive revolution.There's nothing progressive or new or modern or advanced about their ideas, right?The left's ideas on human nature, gender, abortion, marriage, sexuality, are not more modern but far more ancient than those of the revolutionary founding fathers that built America and of the Christians that largely built the West.And so as C.S. Lewis once said, we all want progress, right?But if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road. In that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.And when you notice you're on the wrong road, it's only the pessimist who continues to walk off the cliff. The progressive turns around and finds a way to right himself and get onto the wrong road, onto the right road rather. And so child sacrifice and human sacrifice goes back to the first generations immediately following Adam and Eve.Child sacrifice is what incites some of God's most colourful language in scripture.Let's put it this way, God gets pissed.He gets real pissed when the Israelites are killing babies to Moloch and Baal and Asherah and all this craziness, right?Well, we have the same gods of our culture today, the God of sex and the God of human sacrifice and child sacrifice, but they've been, they're described in such clinical language, right?They're described as sort of anti-religious, like there are no Gods, but it's still the same spirit that demands the same things as those ancient deities did. They were really just demons.So we're still sacrificing children to demons. We just call it health care.We call it women's rights. And we call it feminism. And so this cult of feminism and progressivism is just another iteration in a long humanistic experiment that has sought to place man as God.And the problem, right, with replacing God from the culture as we're starting to experience, Peter, is that other kooky religions take its place.So there's actually no such thing as moral neutrality. Replace Christianity, and then you get humanism, you get progressivism, you get evolutionism, you get neo-Malthusianism.And they're very religious worldviews too. They're just way more dangerous and way more kooky.And so the church has to start realizing that there will be a standard and there will be a dominant religion.The question is whose? Whose morality and whose religion? Well, why not the one that built the West and provided the freedoms that everyone takes for granted today and will no longer get comfortable with being uncomfortable in order to defend on behalf of the next generation?And if we can't get the right to life right, we're not going to get any other rights right.That's why the founders in America said we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal they're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are the right to life liberty in the pursuit of happiness they put life first because the right to liberty and pursuit of happiness don't mean much, in fact, they mean nothing at all if you can be murdered.Tell us about your, you've obviously just finished what 15 or 20 dates.Finished last month and you said you're going another one in the fall. Tell us about that and where your focus has been. Is it church groups? Is it political groups? Is it local activist groups?I mean where are you spending your time on those dates, on those events?Yeah, I used to speak everywhere, but now with three kids, and with my 2023 calendar almost full already, praise God, I mean, I never thought that would happen.We only have two or three slots maybe left in the entire year.And so we've had to really focus on high impact events and getting other people mobilized and engaged because I'm not building a Seth Gruber organization, I'm building, I'm rebuilding Christian resistance, which entails stewardship. It entails personal responsibility, right? It entails sacrifice, actually. And, you know, another time, Peter, I can tell the whole story of the White Rose resistance. But, you know, these were 20-somethings Christians who were murdered and had their heads chopped off on February 22, 1943, in Nazi Germany, because they distributed anti-Nazi leaflets all around the country to try to prick the conscience of the culture and get the church wakened up and engaged. And they were murdered for their efforts. So the reason we think that them brave and courageous is because they sacrificed far more with far less freedom.To stand against their Holocaust than we have ever done to stand against ours. That's why we think these figures are so heroic, Peter. They had far less freedom than we in the West do right now. And they sacrificed far more than most of us have ever sacrificed.That's a critique against the church in the West. And so we exist to rebuild that Christian resistance and develop the local leadership to get people engaged at the local level.And so that means finding brave men and women. That means finding courageous men and women who actually want to lay down their lives and their sacred honours to tear down the high places once again and to give God a reason to show America mercy.And so we prioritize churches for that event. And I've been blessed and frankly, blown away, Peter.I don't know how this has happened apart from the hand of God, to have been in more pulpits on Sunday mornings on the issue of life since the end of 2020 than any pro-life speaker in the world that I know of.I don't know of anyone who's been in as many pulpits in a two and a half year period, individual separate churches around the country. And we've started dozens of pro-life ministries at those churches, by the way. I don't just leave and say, hey, thanks for letting me speak.Now, you know, later, like we bring in our leadership and ministries that we partner with to develop and train people to get engaged in sidewalk counselling outside of abortion centres, orphan foster care, mentor families for those who choose life actually, and post-abortion healing as well.And so as we're growing and mobilizing people at the local level, the goal will be getting the church engaged in some of those lanes, including public events that really mock these ideas in the spirit of the age, and raising up new activists that actually take our content to the streets as well.And so we're building all of that infrastructure now because we're a brand new organization.So we got to hire and find the right talent.And God's been blessing our organization immensely. And we're very excited for how God's gonna move this year and in the following year.And so we do the college campuses to provide that last voice of sanity, In an out of control environment and to capture interaction and dialogues, that most people don't ever see and that's the beauty of social media Even though it's harder to get your content out if you're conservative than it was 10 years ago, But you know my conversations with pro-abortion people are often conversations, no one online has ever seen before, Rarely has anyone ever encountered someone and I'm not trying to sound like an ass here peter or speak pridefully but this is my this is the hill I will die on and so very rarely has anyone ever spoken to someone like me. Um, who's who's ready to jump into the cage, um and knows exactly what I believe and how to articulate it And so pro-choice, we see this happening conversations, you know Pro-choicers literally walk away from me sometime at the end of the conversation saying thank you. I had never thought of that before, Uh, and I'm like, you know, like whoa You know, like so there are people who will still be humble enough to admit that they don't know everything, And they did not know what to say to me and we want to capture those interactions to change minds, change hearts, and save lives and get people engaged in our movement.And then we're working on lots of digital media activism resources this year that frankly, you've never seen in the pro-life movement before that you'll see coming out this year and then the the church tours where we spend most of our time so we did nine churches in the fall and we're finishing I think 16 churches between January and May, This month and so we go to Idaho on Sunday.Today's May 17th So we go to Idaho on Sunday, and then we go to Vermont the Sunday after.And then I'm done for the spring, and we take all of June off and go on family vacation.But, so that'll be 16, 20, 25 or 26 churches between August of 2022 and May of 2023.And it's about time, huh? That the church get woken up and actually adopting personal responsibility.So I'll leave you with this line from Bonhoeffer on this question.Dietrich Bonhoeffer once said, if I sit next to a madman as he drives a car into a group of innocent bystanders, I can't as a Christian simply wait for the catastrophe to happen, then comfort the wounded and bury the dead.I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver.Well, the drunk driver in the West is the secular progressive, regressive moral revolution that's driving that bus or truck over the bodies of innocent families, children, babies, and the social fabric.And the church has been sitting in that passenger seat for so long, especially in America, Peter, where we the people are the sovereign.And we've been screaming the gospel out the window at people who are about to be ploughed over.But we won't actually try to wrestle the steering wheel away from the driver to actually save innocent human beings who are about to be destroyed by dangerous ideas, ideologies, or in this case, forceps will tear them limb from limb. We have to start exercising responsibility and stewardship.That's actually the role of the church, Peter. That's not the role of all the 501c3 organizations that we're grateful for that do good work. But we have way too many non-profits, frankly, in America.But the reason is, is because most non-profits are doing the work that the church has advocated, that the church used to do. We've got to get back to our early roots. So that's what we're trying to build.
I, one church I remember having many conversations with and had to walk away and They said, Peter, you need to understand we're pro-life.But we need to be very careful on this issue and then I remember it being another church and they were going to the 10 commandments and the person had spoken do not murder and for five minutes in that said, abortion is murder and the church made a public apology the next Sunday to say we need to be very careful and then another pastor told me, Peter you're probably one of those people who will stand outside the abortion clinics and shout at those poor women going in, And I sat back thinking, our churches are afraid of public opinion and of offending the congregation rather than they are worried about offending God.
That's right, yeah.
I guess it's the same in America, that confusion of actually, fear of your congregation, I guess the tides that come in through your congregation, rather than a fear of God and how God looks at our actions.Yep. So there's a character in scripture named Phineas, and we don't know much about him except it says that Phineas drove a spear through someone who was committing sexual sin.And it says he was zealous for the honour of God.And then it says, so God stayed his judgment. And that's all we know about Phineas, is that he dealt with the sin in the camp.Took initiative and responsibility. God honoured it and he stayed his judgment because of Phineas' actions. We're not zealous for the honour of God in the West, we're not. We're zealous for the tithes, of our congregants whose political sensibilities we won't offend by preaching the full counsel of God from the pulpit. We're zealous for seal claps from our congregants. We're zealous for a little bit more crumbs from the table of the worldly leaders. And if we will not be zealous for the honour of God, I fear what we might hear on Judgment Day when we were wedding ourselves to the spirit of the age, and woke up and found our self a widow in the next.Can I ask you about, moving on to the politics side, some of our viewers on this will be Christians, many will not, and they probably look at a political solution for this. So I'm wondering, maybe just to finish off on that political side, where are we the whole Roe versus Wade issue?It's exciting to see states taking control of that and fighting for that. Let us know what's happening on that?
Well I mean gosh when Roe v. Wade got overturned Peter, what we call the liberal establishment in America started collapsing in on itself like a dying star. I mean like they lost their freaking minds. They were saying things like the Republicans are now coming for interracial marriage. It's like they're like what? Like Clarence Thomas, our most conservative pro-life Supreme Court Justice, who is frankly more conservative than Antonin Scalia actually, he's married to a to a white woman, just like, and he's the main reason why Roe v. Wade got overturned, of course, because he's been the most reliable conservative on the court.It's like, really, do you think he's coming for his own marriage?Like, but you see the kind of things they say when you come for their sacrament of abortion.So, yeah, things have been a little out of control here, really, since this pandemic, but certainly since the overturning of Roe versus Wade.And so, this is really like, it is a new season in the fight life. And it's a moment for the pro-life movement to begin showing how seriously they take this issue. Unfortunately, we do have a lot of pro-life ministries that will say things like, you know, the woman should have no legal punishment, at any time, in any state, for any reason, if she gets an abortion when it's against the law.Now, listen, the pro-life movement chose a strategy a long time ago to go after the abortionists and not the woman, Because if they went after the woman and she was also, being convicted of a crime then she could not testify against the abortionist in court, And so they chose the liberal strategy in the drug wars of going after the provider rather than the user if you will. That's actually a liberal strategy And it was a conservatives that wanted to just shut down, you know, the drugs that actually punished drug users It was liberals who said no, let's go after the providers the drug sellers Well, whether it was right or wrong, the pro-life movement chose the strategy of going after the providers, the abortionists, and not convicting the woman so she could testify against the abortionist in court.But with Roe v. Wade overturned and states being able to ban abortion fully and entirely, if we believe that the pre-born child is a person with equal rights and dignity, then we cannot say, oh, the parents who arranged the death of that child and paid for the death of that child, if it's not the abortion pill, right, because obviously you're doing that yourself.But if you're going to an abortionist, you're paying a hitman to kill your baby.What's wrong with a law that says if you kill innocent human beings, there are legal consequences?I don't see anything wrong with that law. Now, if a mother paid, let's say, a hitman to drown her child in the pond, she might not be charged with first degree murder, but she would be charged as a conspirator, right? As an accomplice to murder.Why would we not say the same thing with abortion? And so there are a lot of pro-life ministries that are intentionally crafting legislation that put in exceptions for rape, right?And that put in exceptions to make sure that the woman can't be charged in any way, shape or form.So I am an incrementalism in the sense that I'd rather have a bill that protects most pre-born children than have a bill that protects no pre-born children, simply because I don't have the votes at the time to get the abortion ban passed. So I'm willing to accept incremental victories because that's how the left has brought us to this moment, incrementally, and they've been very patient.But yes, I think the overturning of Roe versus Wade is kind of showing now in this new season who takes this issue as a true holocaust, who takes this issue as actually genocide of little babies, and who's willing to live like it, legislate like it, pray like it, and sacrifice like it. And so I guess I'm grateful for that in the sense that, you know, we're seeing who is willing to toe the line and who's willing to attack at the front lines. And unfortunately, I think a lot of organizations and some right-to-life groups in different states don't really want a full ban on abortion at the state level.But if we're going to be zealous for the honour of God, that is what we have to pursue. I don't think that an incremental bill is apostasy or means giving your soul over to Satan. I think we take the victories where we can get them, but the goal should be abolishing abortion at the federal level of course. Now that's going to take a lot of states to get the kind of coalition you need for a constitutional amendment.But as we work towards that in America, we need to be, the church needs to be getting engaged politically.They need to be voting with their Bibles open. Pastors need to be preaching the full counsel of God from the pulpit on these issues so that their people go and vote with their Bibles open at the ballot box to get the kind of governors elected and the kind of state legislatures elected that will ban abortion at the state level.Set a new precedent in America. It's going to send a very strong message to the Moloch serviles and the Democrat Party and the liberal establishment that you have not begun to see me fight yet.
And just, can I just as we finish, there is a absolute wonderful podcast that people can find your latest one. I think you can't build a culture of life by funding the culture of death.And that's the economic side by Michael Seifert, Founder and CEO of Public Square.And I would encourage our viewers and listeners to go delve into that.That's a whole area that we don't have time for today.Seth, thank you for coming on. I was so chuffed when I saw your name at the CNP Conference, and I made a beeline for you.So it's an honor having you on. Thank you so much for your time today.
Yeah, good to meet you, Peter. Stay faithful, stand fast, and don't let the commies get you down.

Bob McEwen - Is There a Way Back From the Democrat Demolition of America?

We are currently witnessing a huge tension in the Republican party. MAGA, and before that its predecessor, the Tea Party, are challenging the establishment wing of the party. All of this at a time when the next Presidential election should be a shoe in for the Republican candidate against a weak and doddery Biden, but have the Democrats gone too far in their destruction of the American Dream? Is there a way back using policy and the political system? Bob McEwen, who served five terms as a Congressman and is the Executive Director of Council for National Policy shares his insights on all this and more.Bob McEwen is Senior Advisor with the nationally recognized law firm of Greenebaum, Doll & McDonald. As such he maintains offices in Cincinnati and Washington, DC. An Ohio native, Bob McEwen represented Ohio in the United States House of Representatives for six terms. Prior to his Congressional service, he operated a successful Ohio Real Estate and Development firm as well as serving three terms in the Ohio General Assembly as the Senior Republican on the Financial Institutions and Insurance Committee.Rep. McEwen served as Chairman of the Environmental Affairs task force of the United States delegation to the European Parliament. McEwen was selected by the Democratic leadership of the U.S. Congress as the chief spokesman for the United States in discussions with European Green Party and other Environmental Organizations.In 2005, McEwen and two others, Members of Congress, hosted the third conference of Balkan Prime Ministers for the purpose of facilitating dialogue and reconciliation in that troubled region of the world.On August 23, 1989, Congressman McEwen and United States Senator Robert Dole participated as United States observers in Warsaw, Poland to the first ever Parliamentary election of a non-Communist leader of a Soviet bloc country. Hours later, the new Prime Minister, in his first official act, received the Congressman and Senator prior to meeting with the Soviet representatives of the regime that had occupied that nation for fifty years. This action was the spark that encouraged the collapse of Soviet dominated governments throughout Eastern Europe culminating in the destruction of the Berlin Wall ten weeks later. Senator Dole and Rep. McEwen met the following day with the President and U.S. National Security team in Kennebunkport, Maine to fashion the United States response and position in support of Warsaw Pact nations seeking to break away from Soviet domination.Representative McEwen served as an official United States observer in Moscow during both the 1991 Soviet Coup attempt and to the Kremlin in January of 1992 when the Soviet Union was dissolved.Mr. McEwen was elected by his colleagues to the two most coveted positions in the U. S. Congress; the Select Committee on Intelligence which oversees all of our nation’s secrets, and the powerful House Committee on Rules which has jurisdiction over all legislation in the Congress. As one of only four Republicans on the thirteen member Rules Committee, Mr. McEwen managed nearly one-third of all legislation on the House floor for the Republican side of the Congressional aisle.McEwen legislation approved by the Congress included the National Strategy Act that realigned the chain of command during times of hostilities, directly from the Theater Commander to the National Command Authority in Washington. Defense Secretary Dick Cheney and General Norman Schwarzkopf have credited this change with playing a major role in the success of Operation Desert Storm.He was selected by Administration and Congressional leaders to floor manage such critical national security legislation as the B-2 bomber authorization, the nuclear freeze debate, and to give the closing arguments before the vote to authorize military action by the United States in Desert Storm.Mr. McEwen has often been selected as negotiator to bring resolution to Senate/House conference committee impasses on dozens of pieces of legislation, particularly affecting Public Works, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and International Relations.Connect with Bob...WEBSITE: https://bobmcewen.com/TWITTER http://www.twitter.com/bobmcewen/FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-McEwen/211135982248187Council for National Policy...WEBSITE: https://cfnp.org/Interview recorded 15.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Bob McEwen.Bob McEwen is the executive director of Council for National Policy and I had the privilege of meeting him whenever I was over there stateside at their conference in February.He's also was elected five times as member of Congress for Ohio and anyone who has won five elections deserves to be listened to.So we discuss a whole range of issues. his time as congressman, what that was like, what it means to be a conservative and a Republican in the US, those have always been the same thing but seem to be separate in many ways and we discussed that separation.And then looking at the clash between, I guess, the establishment and a more conservative orientated group in the Republican Party, the Tea Party and now Trump, and what that means.With the Democrats being so reckless, is there a way back using policies and legislation?And then we end up, of course, with the upcoming elections. And I ask Bob for his thoughts on that and where we may be 18 months on during that.So I know you'll enjoy listening to Bob as much as I do speaking with him and giving his insight on all these range of policies.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have an individual who was elected to Congress at the age of 30 in 1980, won re-election five times there. And I've seen him described as a textbook Republican, opposed to abortion, gun control, high taxes, and as the Executive Director of Council for National Policy. Bob McEwen, it's wonderful to have you with us.
(Bob McEwen)
Peter, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much.
Not at all. And the website there, Council for National Policy, is on the screen. And Counter for National Policy stands for Limited Government, Traditional Values, and Strong Concerted Defence, which which is conservative values, which we all hold dear to.If I could be ask you about yourself, your time as a congressman, that nonstop, I guess, political campaign.We don't understand that in the UK, because we have every five years, where I know you did every two years.But maybe you can let us know what made you so successful? You won time and time again.Maybe just let us into what made you successful standing for Congress.
Well, you're exactly right. The United States, it's only 240 years ago, but that was a real transition into the idea that individuals would decide, set the course of their policy.We didn't have a template.We set up three tiers. We set up an individually elected leader or president, individually elected members of Congress accountable to no one else but the voters.We had a turnover every 24 months, the House of Representatives, everyone is up for re-election, And then we had an independent judiciary.That morphed into the parliamentary system, where most of the democracies of the world, when they choose a majority in the parliament, that's the person that then chooses the prime minister. So there's a coordination there.So it's really hard for people to fully grasp as to how is currently the situation.We have a Democrat president, independently elected. And yet the majority of the House of Representatives is Republican.We have a Republican speaker, and they're the ones that pass the laws.It creates for a dynamic tension, and it was designed for that purpose.The US Constitution was designed for one reason, one, only one, only one, that was to prevent tyranny, period, end of discussion.It wasn't there to be efficient. It wasn't to have a strong anything.It was there to prevent tyranny, so that even when Franklin Roosevelt could carry all but two states in an overwhelming landslide, and that he wanted to add members to the Supreme Court.He couldn't do it because the Congress stood. There's an independent tension there that prevents tyranny and that allowed freedom, and that's why this little 4% of the population of the world, more books, plays, symphonies, copyrights, inventions, and the rest of the other 96% combined.Not because those people are smarter or because they work harder.But because they're freer and the degree to which freedom accelerates is when prosperity accelerates, when you impose socialism and take away freedom you can make any place when I was young the richest city in the world was a place called Detroit Michigan and they elected some socialists that said we can put a stop to this and so currently Detroit Michigan is the poorest most corrupt city north of the Rio Grande in all of North America so it's the freedom that creates the wealth not the geography, it's the ideas. And our political system was designed for that purpose, that people would constantly have input, that the second a person thought they are entitled to it, they had to stand for re-election. So every January, a member of Congress either files for re-election or gets sworn into office, one or the other.
Well, I want to get more into US politics, but I saw that you're just back from Hungary, CPAC in Hungary. I was trying to go myself, and in the end, it didn't happen. But maybe you want to just touch on that, kind of that sets in the context our European audience before we move over to the US. But what was that like over in Hungary at CPAC?
Well, first of all, Peter, under the free enterprise system, the only way that I can achieve wealth, the only way that people can voluntarily reach in their pocket and hand money to me is if I do something for them that is greater, that is more beneficial than the money they have in their hand.And so we, we stay awake nights, dreaming up ways how to do something good for a person, such that they'll slam on their brakes and pull in and say, you're going to wash my car and clean the carpet and watch the windows and throughout the day. I'd much rather have that than have this $10 bill.I'd much rather have that parachute than $60.And so therefore, the freedom and creation comes from free people.So for the Soviet Union controlled two thirds of all the land mass on the planet, but they couldn't make a hairdryer, they couldn't make an automobile, they couldn't make a washing machine.They had to go steal from the ideas, so they made their airplanes look like the airplanes were created by the free people, and et cetera, et cetera.So in the idea of conservatism, that is to preserve and protect the freedom that allows for abundance. Now I said there are two ways to get money from a person.One of them is that I figure out ways to bless them, so they say, oh that, that, that, that app on my phone. Oh, I'd like to have for 99 cents, I can have that app.Well, the person that dreams that up, doesn't hope that a million people down and become a millionaire.So that's why over virtually all of the apps come from only free countries.The other ones have to steal because socialism does what?Socialism redistributes. Now that's a fancy term for stealing.So when you walk into a store and you grab things off the shelf, put them in your pocket and walk out, you are redistributing them.You redistribute them from the shelf of the owner into your pocket.Now, have you created any wealth?No, no. Have you redistributed? Yes, because the degree to which you benefit is the degree to which the other person is diminished.And under socialism, that's why they're always poor. And the more socialism that you have, the greater the poverty you have because you're stealing from the productive, therefore they're disincentivized to produce because they don't get the reward.And you reward people who didn't produce it, And why should they produce when they get it for free?And so you go into a country like Venezuela or Rhodesia or all these great abundant countries and you turn them into absolute hell holes because of a thing called socialism.Socialism and in the scriptures it was referred to as covetousness.Covetousness is when I wanna take something that someone else has.Stealing is when I actually take it. Covet is when I want to take it.And so the Ten Commandments that were put on the walls of all of our classrooms for all these years, it said we didn't have to have magnetometers because people didn't bring guns to work, because we said we shouldn't kill. And we didn't have to have locks on their bicycles because we said thou shalt not steal. But then we had the prosperity because number 10 is on every wall, thou shalt not covet. I don't want to win. So my wife, when we travel around, people often say, you know, I've been to America, I've been to America. And she would often ask them, What is the thing that startled you or surprised you or was the most surprising about America?The answer that comes back more than anything else is, well, in America, you don't have walls around your property. You don't know where your backyard stops and where the neighbour starts.Well, the reason for that is because we didn't covet. Now, when you go into Latin America, you not only have walls around everybody's property, you have cut glass over top of the property because you covet.In America, when you saw a beautiful home, you didn't say, I want to take that house.You would say, someday I want to have a home like that.Or a nice car. We were in one of the nicest countries in Central America.I was waiting to go to dinner with the attorney general.And we were standing outside, our wives went in to eat, and he just kept talking and talking, not going in the restaurant. I got frustrated. What's going on here, Wanegger?And finally, a person appeared, and he handed him some money, and we went in to eat.Well, what happened was he hired a personto watch his car while we were at the restaurant. Now that is a result of covetousness. Now when Moses was having a hard time, Jethro, his father-in-law, came to him and he said, you know, Moses, God and I've been talking here and we think you've got in over your head and you have to divide these people up into federal, state, and local government. You need to have thousands, hundreds, and tens. And Moses, here's three things you need to look for.Three things. That is, there's only two choices. Either man thinks he's God or he recognizes God. Number one is those that fear God. And I'll just tell you, you don't want to marry a person who thinks they're God. You don't want to go into business with a person who thinks they're God. And you don't want to elect a person who thinks they're God. I said Moses, those that fear God. Number two, lovers of truth. Okay, what does that mean? That means a free enterprise system in which you sign a contract and you keep your word. You look a guy in the eye and you shake your hand you honour it. If you're dishonest, if you're the Middle East, if you're much of Asia, if you're a place you have to have contracts that are six inches thick in order to go to the grocery store because that they're going to lie and cheat at every opportunity. He said therefore you want those people who fear God, lovers of truth, and, Moses, get this straight, haters of socialism.That is, if this guy's going to want what somebody else has, you don't want a person like that in power. He used the term covetousness in Exodus 18, 21. It says, fear God, lovers of truth, hating covetousness. And so the purpose of the conservative political action committee is to support conservative values, which respect private ownership, as opposed to socialism, which promises that, you know, if a thief comes and takes something, we say that that guy's bad, he's a thief. If he runs for office and he gets a mob to come and take it, that's called socialism.And so if you vote for me, you don't have to go in and steal your car insurance. I'll just, we'll just make the car insurance do it, etc. So the political action committee.The opportune conservatives get together periodically and all these folks and all all these various issues, encourage one another.And this most recent one was in Budapest.And that was an opportunity because the prime minister there is fighting the tides of socialism in Europe.And he welcomed us with opened arms. We were pleased and happy to be there.
I love Budapest. I've been there many, many times. It is a beautiful city and a country that strives for freedom looking after its own identity. But you mentioned socialism and I know you have travelled over to Eastern Europe before during the fall of communism and that's something which you've been passionate about, freedom for those in Eastern Europe and Russia. Tell us about those trips, why would an American go all the way over there to speak on freedom?
Well, it's the constant fight. There's a desire to control other people, and under free enterprise, you can be honoured by inventing something, or creating something, or writing something, or building something.That's why in free countries, we honour those people.Under socialist countries, the only way that you get power is that you take it.When you do that, you have to control people. For example, in the Baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, periodically, they would go through and they would just take the largest farmers, people that were successful, and they would ship them off to Siberia, or they would disappear in one way or another.There's this constant lack of freedom. That is that you're at the mercy of what the state decides to do.That's a horrible thing, and that's a fight that is there all the time.We are experiencing right now at this moment, and it ebbs and flows, in the 1930s, it swept almost completely encompassed Europe, as you know, the National Socialist Party went all the way from the Atlantic Ocean, all the way to the Soviet border.It took Americans and Canadians and Brits and Australians landing at Normandy to begin to punch that back.Now we have this competition, always, as Anne Rand says, that you can vote socialism in, but you have to fight, shoot your way out.And so what we see is this constant effort to have, when people get their choice, when they have a freedom, they have the opportunity.They always choose freedom.But that's why totalitarians, and we are sympathetic to them, we have come through a time of the last 40 years of tremendous, tremendous explosion of growth and prosperity.And now we see it trying again. They always have a new idea.Sometimes it was racism. Other times it was religion.And now it's environment. And so the reason that I have to tell you what kind of house to live in, and how far you can travel and what kind of car you can drive and what kind of is is not because I'm a communist and you're not or because I'm a Nazi and you're not it's because I'm an environmentalist and you must do what I say. There's always an excuse for why people want to control other people and that gets back to a concept spiritual as to whether or not people should be allowed to do that and that's why when you abandon God, the God part then it's just a a matter of the most powerful against the weakest. When you do the God part, that is that every person has a unique skill and talent and creation because of Almighty God, that makes it such that you do not have a right as a group to come in and tell people what to do. So that's why Moses was correct when he had God first, then the freedom of the political system, and then the economic system of not coveting.
Absolutely, a relationship with God gives everyone value an equal purpose and merit and gives that responsibility.
And Peter, without God, people will literally tell you that the rocks and stones and the weeds are more important. The bugs take priority. Now, you only do that, if you tell me that, see, if you tell me every, the fork in the road, the fork in the road for every political decision comes from this question. If you believe that man created God.Or you believe that God created man.And when I sit there and listen to you tell me how I should eat bugs because you think I should, because you don't want me to produce the oil, the gas that's there in abundance, then I can also tell you where you stand on God.You think that you're God. You do not believe in God. You believe that you're the supreme and you're going to dictate to other people.So our freedom is dependent upon that. And I love the libertarians, they're wonderful people, but they think that it's innate in people to do what's right.History has shown us that that's not correct, that there is a godly standard that we must abide by. As you do that, there's abundance and peace and prosperity.The degree to which you abandon it is which you have death, destruction, and poverty.
With that clash we are now seeing, what does it mean to be a conservative, and I guess a Republican, in the US?Is it different now than during your time in Congress?Well, I probably, and that's a very good question. I haven't given it that much thought and so as I as I analyse it I tend to think not, There's always this desire for people to control other folks. Yeah, this socialist is national socialism It's this Union of Socialist Republics and the USSR and if see the same thing in China There's always this idea that I'm going to control what you can see and what you and if you don't agree with me then I'll shut you off, I'll burn your books.Only the left burns books.Only the left, you know, we don't fear. And let me just explain why that is, Peter.If you and I are in, if I walk into the room where you are, and I say that room is 25 feet wide, and somebody else says, I think it's 20, I think it's, another guy says, I think it's 30, I think it's 29, we can all sit there and we say, oh, isn't that wonderful?We can all debate it, and we can write white papers, and we can sit around the faculty lounge and talk about it, and everybody's content until someone comes in and measures it. And when they measure it, here's what the measurement does. The measurement is the truth and it reveals error. So a person comes in and measures it and find out it's only 18 feet wide. That means that everybody in the room knows what I said was wrong. And here's the person that said it was 25, the person said it was 30, the person said it was 32. They all hate the person who said it was 18, because that's truth. Error hates truth. Now, conservatives don't fear.We have the truth, so therefore we can let a thousand liberal speakers come and speak. We don't care, but they can't let one. They can't let one conservative get up and speak, because the truth will reveal the error.Let me just hit it again. Let's suppose that you're prosecuting a fellow for stealing an automatic teller machine out of the bank drive-in.And so you're in the court and the defence counsel says, why, he wouldn't do such a thing, why he loves his mother and he was off having dinner with his sister and here's the receipts from the restaurant.You don't care what she says because when you're finished, you're going to show the security camera of him driving his pickup up to the ATM. You see him put the chain around the ATM.You see his face on the camera as you lean over the camera and the fingerprints and the truth will overcome the error such that, here's the point, the only way they can succeed is to prevent the presentation of truth. Your Honour, I object. Your Honour, I object. I object because the truth will overcome the error. That's why they have to shout. That's why they have to burn books. That's why they have to cancel people. That's why they have to deny them access to TikTok.That's why they have to tell that Donald Trump can't speak on television. Because the truth overcomes the error. Therefore, they have to band together. And in the course of this, has that changed? It's always been that way, but I'm increasingly optimistic that people are beginning to see it. And the thing is that truth always wins, because the whack-a-mole, you just can't whack it enough times. And you might succeed for a while. And, you know, Adolf could have his book burning sessions all across Europe, but eventually it comes through.And then he had the Soviet Union, but eventually with technology, people could see the truth.And so now, what the Chinese have done is they've begun to infiltrate the various communication systems so that they can shut off people from Twitter and they can shut off people from Facebook but they constantly have to go down and shut down truth because truth overcomes error. We and conservatives, we do not fear that. You say anything you want to say because when you're finished work, all you have to say is, here's the measurement, it's 18 feet, here it is.And truth eventually wins, and that's why I'm optimistic about the future.But I repeat, there's always and always will be a battle.Well, on truth, it's a question that's been in my mind over the last three years.What is truth? When Pilate asked Jesus.I think traditionally, if you look back in history, generations have been able to understand that and answer that.And we now live in a society where actually people don't know what truth is. Truth is subjective, it's no longer objective. How does it, and we are having the same battle in the UK, in Europe, as I know you're having in the US on that. Where does the conservative movement, the Republican Party, how does it fit into that confusion and chaos, I guess, of what is truth, what is right and wrong.
And that is the question of the age, that absolutely it is, and that's why God told Moses, the first thing is settle that, because there's only two definitions of truth.One is what I think is true, and the other is what God says is true.Those are the only two options.And so those that don't want to do what God says, then they talk about my truth.And my truth says that a man is a woman.And the absurdity of that is naturally overwhelming, such that in the first chapter of Romans, when they folks went after, they set themselves up as God, and they said, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And so Paul said, no, we need to get back to God. We need, there has to be a standard. So I am privileged to be a part of the Turning Point USA, and Charlie Kirk went around to these college campuses where these indoctrination things were going on from all the professors, and he would just set up a card table and share truth.And of course, that's very distressing because truth overcomes error. And so as people began to see the truth, and they began to read and discuss and talk about the fact that socialism has never worked. And if socialism worked, by now it would have found a spot where it did.And so when they can see it doesn't work. The next thing, Peter, here's the interesting thing.When they began to think with truth economically, then they began to think truth politically, and then they began to ask questions spiritually, because it's a value system.It's a God made us and we have rights, and all of those things are anathema to socialism.And so now, all across America, and now starting around the world, in high schools elsewhere, are starting these Turning Point USA faith, because there were so many young people asking about these spiritual, that the woke churches, the woke effort had gotten into the pulpits by saying that we don't want to offend anyone.Well, you know, if Jesus Christ could have gone around without offending a person, he probably would have tried it.The idea that truth offends, it's not the person that offends, truth.And evil will be offended by truth.And so what we've seen is that there is this great uprising of folks that it begins to follow across the board, of a worldview, and it gets back to that first one, Either I'm God.Or he's God. And every one of us face that decision at some time in our lifetime.I love being at Counter for National Policy in February and listening to the conversation, I think with James Lindsay and Charlie Kirk. That was a phenomenal insight. But tell us, because Counter for National Policy is maybe a more traditional conservative group. You've got Turning Point and what they're doing with American Fest, and I watched at their conference in December or targeting or going after the younger vote, the younger group.It's interesting to see those alliances, because it's not either or.It's groups working with certain areas of society, others working with others.Tell us about that kind of connection, because as I said, I was blown away by that conversation with Charlie and James.Well, what happened was that the conservative movement in America was successful once in 1964 in nominating a nominee for president, and then it was overwhelmingly stomped.The Republican leadership said, I cannot support this person, and so Barry Goldwater was tremendously defeated.When Ronald Reagan made another attempt, then they felt that they were going to try to do the same thing.That is, the liberals of both parties would team up to prevent him from restoring, because he was anti-communist. And deep down inside, the communists had penetrated most of these folks, just as you see the Chinese penetrating Africa and elsewhere.And so in the beginning of the first year of the Reagan administration, a handful of folks got together to help get him to get elected and said, what we need to do is you don't have to change what you're doing if you're a national defence group, or if you're an agriculture group, or if you're a pro-life group, or if you're an education group.But periodically we should get together and say what can we agree upon.And they formed a group called the Council for National Policy, and it meets three times a year.I emphasize that one of the things that gets people's attention is that we don't do anything.But it's like the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce doesn't sell shoes, and doesn't sell cars, and doesn't sell houses, but it has people that do. That's what CMP does.It has people that do everything, even though CMP does nothing. What we do is we bring people together to encourage one another and what happens when, for example, the CRT, the critical race theory, there were many people that didn't realize that that was rather significant. I thought that was just a left-wing racist policy in college campuses. And when we began to probe deeper, we found out that they had penetrated the seminaries of most of the major religions and to begin to teach, to supplant the scriptures with race in many of our pulpits, and then the educational books as well, and across the board in the military, until now we have a head of the U.S.Military that says the number one threat to America is not the the Chinese threat and the nuclear threat, the number one threat is white nationalism. Now you would think how in the world, you could ask any kid on the street corner watching the guns shooting, what's the number one threat?Number one. Nevertheless, CMP was able to bring that to the fore to say, see how CRT has aggressed.Now we have the same thing with the government and environment, ESG society, where they're trying to give ratings to corporations who fit their global agenda.Of course, the global agenda is not slavery. They don't say that.That's rather people would be repulsed at that.They say climate, and everybody's in favour of climate. Therefore, if you do these ESG, if you do these certain things, if you spend money with, communist groups in China and oppose freedom folks in Hungary or the US, then you get this higher rate and ostensibly, it's because it had to do with the environment.That's where CMP brings people together for the educational purposes.Why? Because truth overcomes error. We let everybody present, but we see that truth wins and that's what we're up to at the moment and delighted about it.I love bumping into so many of my guests who I'd seen virtually. And then I met in the flesh, in the person. So that was one of my highlights coming away from CNP. But maybe I'll ask you about the kind of tension in the Republican Party with the clash of, I guess, a more establishment grouping and a more conservative-oriented grouping, which is the Tea Party and now Trump.In the UK, we don't really have that. We have the so-called Conservative Party resting on old laurels.We don't really have that agitator making them think of what actually it is to be conservative, but you have that in the US.Maybe let us know a little bit more about that, because it's always good to be reminded, I think, of what you're there for and what your principles are.
Well, this might not be 100% correct, but part of it, I think, has to do with the fact that when people are really concerned about something that doesn't fit in, they can form their own party.If they just suddenly, one day, they're fine, but six months later, Brexit takes over the whole country because policies.Now, in America, we have a thing called the Electoral College, which says this, no one can become president, no one can become the leader of the country if they don't carry half of the country.Now, that provision meant such that you have a two-party system, because the second you have a third party or a fourth party, you're out of the ballgame.That electoral college has kept a two-party system. Now, you say, well, what's the point of bringing that up?Well, that's because then you have the tensions at the edges.When a Brexit comes along in America, it has to fit into one of the two parties, and the party begins to move in one direction or another.That's simply the way it works, quite frankly, I think it's ingenious, it's wonderful.I think it's virtually divine inspired, because the poor folks under the parliamentary system in Israel or in Italy, it was 60 governments in 48 years and things, I don't have the full affection for that.The poor folks in Israel, I've gone for four years was virtually, they finally righted it recently. In America, you have to have a 50%, which means that when you have these tensions, you're always going to have these tensions, that there's always be at the margin, what is the new issue?Those that want to sit on their laurels can sit there, but they will constantly be in competition with the new idea.It seems to have worked well and will continue to, but I repeat, it's because you cannot have, you can sell a party in a parliamentary system that might get only seven or eight votes in the parliament and you can't sell that in America because brother if you can't win, we're not interested in hearing from you.
I love it. Can I ask you about legislation, obviously your time on Capitol Hill in Congress and I kind of look at what the Democrats are doing being so reckless in so many ways. And I wonder, is there a way back using policies and legislation?Oh, yes, there always is. The Democrat Party tends to be more socialist. What is a socialist?A socialist is a person that says, if you vote for me, I will take what that person has and give it to you.That's just all there is to it. Now, when you do that, you destroy things.When they take over New York, they turn it into a mess.Periodically, fortunately, Giuliani and Bloomberg came back and put it back on the rails.Twelve years ago, it was the safest, cleanest, largest city in the world.Of course, they bring in the Democrats and immediately they do, I'm going to tax those people, we're going to steal from the productive, we're going to run them out, and it's back into the hellhole that it was 20 years ago.Socialism only fails every time. The Democrats, well, they run for office trying to do that.You question periodically that they'll destroy the economy and then you have to go back and reproduce and build things.We just hope that they don't do any permanent harm, but as you know, freedom, when Donald Donald Trump became presidentthe the entire nation was energy independent within 18 months see freedom works.Okay, and of course when when when Biden came in we were dependent within five months Because he shut down all the pipelines and increased it and shut down the drilling and things, So it doesn't take long to screw things up. It usually takes longer to try to repair them, But nevertheless they can be repaired. So Margaret Thatcher came in the country was just in a mess It was the IMF had taken over control of the pound sterling, everybody felt that Britain was finished.When she left 11 years later, had the fourth largest economy on the planet.Freedom works every time, socialism fails every day.
Yeah, strong leadership is essential. I'm intrigued watching over in the States, the different US states that actually want freedom and the ones that don't.The transfer going back and forward.I think I'm talking to a friend who lived in Florida, and he said, actually, house prices are off the scale.You can't even rent a car anymore. The huge demand, similar in Texas.There seems to be a migration of people going from states that you're punished for your freedom moving towards those states that actually, they want their freedom.It seems to be a bigger and bigger divide happening in the US from those who actually want freedom and those who want to be subjugated.Well, that's the specialness of the federalist system, that we have individual states and they can do their own policies. I would just take Florida, for example, in that Florida is just bursting at the seams in every area, and surpluses in the budgets in the city councils and people are happy and everything, they're expanding and building.It's just a wonderful place, but the governor only won by 30,000 votes, 30,000.The fellow that he beat was as loony as you wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.He's a thug, literally, he's in jail now, I believe. Had he won instead of DeSantis, then he would have said, socialists always want control.So they're going to tell you that you have to have to take this jab and you have to cover your mouth and you have to cover your paper, toilet paper on your nose is going to keep you safe and put up the plastic and put it and they would have shut down the churches.Now it didn't shut down, shut down the Planned Parenthood headquarters and didn't shut down the gay bars, but shut down the churches and all the things that they, and that's what they do in California. That's what they do in New York.And so what do you see? You see New York and California in a state of collapse, and you see the free states, the Republican states, they're prospering.I just saw today that to rent a U-Haul to go from Los Angeles to Dallas is 10 times what it costs to rent a U-Haul to go from Dallas to Los Angeles.Everybody that they'll pay you to take them to California because everybody there is leaving And then you can't get your hands on one. So it, like I say, freedom works.Will Democrats wake up, because I remember when I was in California for the first time, in April last year, and then I went again in June, I realized why I didn't really want to go to the West Coast. But you had people talking who lived just outside LA, and they said, well, this is why we live outside. But the crime and the destruction of the cities actually moves and spreads. And I wonder, will Democrat voters actually get it sometime?
Well, let's pray that they do. I mean, they do this intentionally.When Giuliani became mayor, there were these people that would come out, they're called squeegee people, and they would come and sprinkle dust on your windshield and sprinkle water on it, and then they'd hold their hand out. If you gave them some money, then they would wash your window, and otherwise, you had dirt on your window, or they key you when you drove off. He said, we're not going to do that. I want those people arrested. The second they step off the sidewalk, they're jaywalking, we're going to arrest them, and we're going to fingerprint and mugshot them, and find out who, here's the principle. Here's the principle that Democrats seem to not grasp.That is a lawbreaker, is a lawbreaker, period. They want to focus on the big law. No, no. It's only a handful of people that do this. And so the very first guy that they took for doing that, he had 25 warrants. He went away forever. Why? Because he's a lawbreaker. He's a thief.And so the next thing that they did was Giuliani said, we're not going to have people, or jumping the turnstile to get on the subway.If you jump the turnstile and you don't pay, then you're going to be arrested.And what do you do when you're arrested? You're going to get a fingerprint and a mugshot.And so they did that. The very first day they saw the first guy they caught, they had fingerprints of five murders. Now they had the five fingerprints were clear.They didn't know who they belonged to.But when they mugshot and fingerprinted this guy, they found that the guy who voted jumping the turnstile was a murderer and they put him away. And so when you look at what happened, that crime didn't diminish, crime collapsed.Because when you take the one to 3% of the troublemakers and you put them behind bars where they can't behave, that the rest of the people can prosper.Now what happened when de Blasio came in, when the new Democrat came in, first Democrat mayor in 16 years?They said, look how clean and nice and everything is, let's just screw it up as fast as possible.So what he said was, we are not going to enforce the law.Get this, we're not going to enforce the law for those jumping the turnstile.That means that every thug can go in there and can sleep on the subway 24 hours a day.He can rob the people when they come on.They don't have to get on. Now people don't want to ride the subway, the places of mess, where you have the fights.They said, we want to do more than that. We want to allow people to urinate on the sidewalk and to defecate in the middle of the street and to sleep. So then we will not arrest them for doing that.And so now you walk up and down the streets, you see it covered with people that are just hanging out doing those. And they said, oh, furthermore, people should be allowed to steal.And so as long as they don't steal more than 1,000 at a whack, as long as they take 950, we'll allow them to do that. And so now when you go into some of the stores, they're all boarded up, or they're empty, or they're behind bars. You have to have someone come to open it up.Now, your question was, will they see it? People voted for that. People voted in New York 4 to 1, 4 to 1, 80% voted to do that. They voted for these incompetent folks. So I'm probably not as good a politician as I should be, because it just doesn't make any sense to me.Could I end off just with asking you about Sleepy Joe and the elections coming up, and I had the privilege of being on the front row at CMP and listening to Governor Ron DeSantis, and I love what he's doing in Florida. I also love what Donald Trump has done as a wrecking ball in tearing up the whole system and doing things differently. But when you look as someone who, has their finger on the pulse, what are your thoughts of how the next, I don't know, is it 18 months will transpire? What are your thoughts as you look into that? We don't have any of those big figures in the UK, so that's why it's intriguing looking over to the US.
Well, Now, the difficulty we face is when you're on the left, you never say, look what a great job I did in education.Didn't we do a wonderful job in cleaning up the streets, and oh, aren't people so nice and safe now? Look at how efficiently we handled the border.And didn't we do a marvellous job in bringing the price of gasoline down to 28% of what it was 10 years ago. They can't point to anything.So what they do is they scream, he's a racist, he's a bigot, he's a murderer, he's a he's a and all they do is just vomit on anyone who wants to get into office. And one of the reasons that I am so strongly in favour of of Donald Trump at this point is because almost anybody else has, does not have the rhinoceros hide to stand against the abuse that they will shovel at anyone because they said McCain was a maverick and he listened to people and he worked across the aisle until he got nominated. Second he got nominated, the New York Times ran articles just like they did against Kavanaugh of these women that claimed that they had affairs with him and when they checked it out they weren't even close. They were just making this stuff up just like they're doing doing with Trump, with this woman that claims she couldn't even tell in the court, she couldn't tell within three years of when this events took place.Within three years.So they're going to do that to people.And Donald Trump has the backbone for the benefit of our country and for freedom to take it.And as we've seen, he can bring peace and prosperity. People don't remember that prior to 2016, this entire world was in the hands of the Chinese.We were doing everything that they asked. We were giving them every privilege.The President of the United States signed waivers so that the chips in our military equipment and in our fighter jets would come from China.They were able to control everything.We were sleepwalking over a cliff.One man.Donald Trump came along and said hey, this isn't the brightest thing in the world, He went to the Mercedes and says you can't build an, you can't build a car without their approval what kind you Germans are stronger than that and in the entire world began to break out of a stupor and those people who had put all of their money New York and Silicon Valley all of their money in China, became furious because those factories began with the withdrawal the stock market in China went down 47 percent, half of its wealth was diminished. In the United States, the stock went up 55 percent. America began to grow and prosper and those that hate freedom in America were furious and they were and they continue to be.But I don't think the world's going to go back to sleep and all we need is a person strong enough to do it and we can go back to peace so the countries aren't overrunning each other as they are in Ukraine, where we go back to peace again where there's stability, and we have a strong surgence of freedom, which I anticipate we're going to have shortly.Well, Bob, it is an honour speaking with you, someone who has their finger on the pulse and is involved in such an influential organization like the CNP, so I appreciate your time today and sharing your thoughts.
Well, it was indeed an honour to be with you as always, and we're honoured to have you whenever you can be with us, Peter. All the best.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

We are so lucky to have our guest join us tonight as the unfounded and almost certainly untrue rumours going round are he was involved in a near catastrophic car chase on the way back from picking up a pint of semi-skimmed from Morrisons last Tuesday evening, so rejoice as we welcome back our good friend, David Vance!This man tells it as it is and has the liberal bed-wetter's running for their safe spaces, so batten down the hatches as Mr Vance unleashes a common sense tirade on our topics this episode, including....- Matt Hancock: What a bell end!- Baby dies and eight others fight for life due to spike in 'usually harmless' virus.- Cancer mystery as cases rise among younger people around the world.- Eddie Izzard says he was 'fought in the streets' after coming out as transgender.- NATO’s strength is its diversity.- Childline is accused of failing teenagers: Girls as young as 14 who believed they were trans advised to bind their breasts in chat rooms hosted by the charity.- Zelensky arrives at G7 summit as US backs fighter jets for Ukraine.- UK Immigration: Behold the uni-party.- Unelected PM Rishi Sunak U-turns on proposed ban on Chinese institutes.- Fatty's take flight! I can’t fit in the plane aisle, it feels like discrimination.- Know the warning signs of white supremacy.- Adidas and the bloke in a women's swimsuit.Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 20.5.23
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Dan Tubb - The Roots of Brokenomics and Seeking a Way Out of the Debt Pit

Brokenomics is a word that describes the mess the world is currently in. Who better to discuss our present economic malaise than the presenter of LotusEaters Brokenomics, Dan Tubb. His background in the city gives him the understanding to unpack this issue. With the US hitting their debt ceiling (which is now over $30tn) as they do each year and most economies around the world running larger and larger deficits, Dan joins us to discuss how we got into this mess in the first place. Governments solution of simply printing more money seems to be be accelerating this global tailspin which the world economy is now in. Is there a way out of this mess and how would any solutions impact the general population. Tune in for Dan's expert analysis.Dan Tubb spent 20 years as a Venture Capitalist & Asset Manager in the City before retiring in 2020 just in time to watch the world go completely mad. He was so enraged he started appearing on podcasts & radio to discuss western governments reckless actions including their economic self-destruction. Dan then joined LotusEaters as podcast host and for his own series Brokonomics which separates economic facts from the torrent of mainstream BS.Follow Dan on...TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Kingbingo_?s=20LOTUSEATERS: https://lotuseaters.com/US DEBT CLOCK: https://www.usdebtclock.org/Interview recorded 11.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dan Tubb.Many of you will know him from Lotuseaters, he's been with them the last six months and does Broken Economics up to the 20th and I'd advise, recommend you all to go on that and watch those, it gives you great understanding. And this is not a topic we've touched on before and I realised it was essential that we do and Dan's experience in the city makes him perfect to unpack the economic mess that we are currently in. So we start looking at debt, we look at the discussions at the moment in the US on the debt ceiling, 31 trillion, and it's not just the US's problem, it's worldwide.So he takes us around some other countries, discusses how we got into this problem, the different understanding and views I think on debt and money management across different generations and then he talks about solutions which could and maybe should be on the table to get us out of this. None of them palatable, none of them really appealing in a democratic system to voters but he talks about nonetheless what could be done to get us out and then we finish just on what he does to look after himself and take a path through the current mess. So taking responsibility and some things you can do personally for that. So a lot packed in. I know you will love listening to Dan as he looks at the mess we're in and also ends up with some of those possible solutions.
And today it is wonderful to have a regular on Lotuseaters podcast and host of Brokenomics on Lotuseaters, which is a word which describes a lot of what we face today.And that is Dan Tubb. Dan, thank you for your time today.
(Dan Tubb)
Oh, no, it's an absolute pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
Not at all. I really enjoyed watching. I think you're up to, what, 20, I think, on Brokenomics universal basic income, I think was the last one.
Yeah, it's been a good series. I wanted a platform to talk about some of this stuff.And I've been working with Lotuseaters about six months now. And yeah, it's a wonderful professional set up and really enjoyed working with those guys.
Carl's done a phenomenal job over the last three years. I've been there a lot. But your background, you obviously spent 20 years venture capitalist in the city before hanging that up and then venturing into the world of media, of interviews and podcasts. And I get that gives you, that background gives you a, right and understanding talk about economics.
Yeah, it wasn't intentional. I basically meant to sort of step back more broadly and just sort of do the, you know, the odd thing here and there.But then, of course, that was in 2019. And then, of course, we hit the pandemic in 2020, and I was just so outraged by this that I could not stay silent. And, of course, back in the early days there were only a few of us who were speaking out against it.And I found that with my background, I was able to contribute something to the discussion, which perhaps some people were not bringing up, the more financial side of it. Although I talked about all of it, of course, it was also outrageous. And that then involved me in more and more interviews, radio, and of course, eventually to Lotuseaters, where I am now.
Well, maybe just we'll start on where we are currently, and I'll let you unpack it. At the moment, I think the current US mess, although it's not just in the US, with the debt ceiling negotiations.And when I was looking back, I realized the debt ceiling was raised last by 2.5 trillion.That was a year and a half ago, to a total of just over 30 trillion. And obviously, they're negotiating with it. And I guess they'll have to add another couple of trillion onto that, which they do each year. How on earth did the world get into such a mess whenever we are told one thing and governments seem to do something completely different.
Yeah, so I mean the debt, the 31 trillion, that's just the amount that they've already borrowed. They are committed to borrowing a significantly larger amount because the US has written into law that they will make certain expenditure on military, on social security, on medicaid, and if you add up all those, that debt that they are obligated to take on, you're well over 200 trillion at this point.It is an extremely, truly extraordinary amount of money. Now, the 31 trillion is significant by itself because that's also about the same size as the US economy. So if you can think of the economy being about 30 trillion and the debt being about 30 trillion, it makes the maths easy for this next bit. The issue is which of those is going to grow faster. So if the economy is growing at say about 2% and it's very difficult to measure these days because the magic money tree has been turned on. So trying to figure out what is real growth and what is not is harder. But let's say the economy is growing at 2%. Well, the debt is now growing at 4%. So you can see that the debt is going to get larger than the economy. What that means is that the US, well it's not just the US, it's basically most of the Western world, they're in a debt spiral. What it means is the debt is going to get larger and larger every year and the servicing of that debt, so the amount that you're paying out just to cover your debt costs is going to go up all of the time. So let's bring this back to the UK, for example. In the UK, the biggest expenditure at the moment is the NHS. But debt expenditure is very close behind now. And it won't be that much longer before basically just servicing the debt. And of course, you're not getting anything for that. That's just paying off the monthly interest cost. That's going to overtake the NHS soon. And then our biggest expenditure is going to be something that we are getting absolutely nothing for.So yeah, it's a complete mess, Peter.
You put up on one of your Twitter posts, which I found mesmerizing, was a website, I'll bring it up, which is US Debt Clock.I find myself just being mesmerized by those figures going up.But that's one side, that is the US.And then, of course, you talked about the world.And that's what's happening across the world.
So let's talk about that quickly while you've got it up.Go for it. People can look at that. They see the US at the top there. And the key thing is you want that third column. So the ratio of the debt to the economy. And it's about 100% across most Western countries, although you get some like Japan, which are at 300%. But like I was saying, that's only the official debt. If you go back to the previous one now, so you can see the page on before, yeah, you can see that the sort of total debt up there in the top left-hand corner, then it breaks it down per citizen, so a total debt of quarter of a million dollars per citizen, and then right down in the bottom right-hand corner is all that other stuff that I was talking about, so the Medicaid and the social security and all the other sort of obligated spending that they've got, you look at that and it's well over half a million per citizen that is the debt obligation they've got to pay. So, you know, basically this has to break.Shall I get into how we got into this? Because...
Please do! Please do!
So, as I start to get into this, I want to be, first of all, very clear that I'm not blaming anyone in particular, but I do have to talk about the generations. This is not to say that the, generation I'm going to talk about has done anything wrong, because I don't believe they they have, it's just that demographics are a key driver of this.Okay, so we start our story back in 1950s, basically, early 1960s.And the boomer generation came along and they were the largest generation the world has ever seen in proportional terms and also in absolute terms, they were also extremely large.Now, they entered a, well, they were a very large generation entering a very small world.And that had a couple of effects. One of the big effects was that they all started contributing to the economy.They started working, they started producing. They all went out and bought a house, a car, a new suit, all those things.And so the economy grew significantly over their time.They also wanted to be generous towards their elders, which is a very understandable thing.They wanted to take the existing provisions for pensions and welfare provisions that were available and the NHS, and they wanted to grow all of those.And it is very easy when you've got a large generation being generous to a smaller population, which is a smaller population above them,that's very easy to do. The problem is, is that now that large generation are on the receiving end of those benefits that were designed basically for a smaller population behind them.And that's why we've got to the point now, whereas if you take the top items of expenditure, which is basically the NHS and pensions, you can see this cost and, you know, it's already extremely significant, but that is starting to grow even more significantly. So that's one factor.And what it has led us to is basically the government, western governments, are now spending as if they are in a total war type situation, because governments have been in this situation before when they've been spending the type of levels that they've been spending now, but it's always been because they're in a total war situation. The thing with war, is that it ends eventually. When is the war on old age, on sickness and all of these other things, when is that ever going to end? It's not. So that's one factor. The other factor is that when the boomer generation came into the workforce, yes there was a lot of them so they grew the economy, but because there was a lot of them they were competing with each other for wages. So for the last 40 years, real wages have not increased. In fact, they never increased again after about the early 70s. So yes, wages went up every year. People are used to seeing their wages go up, but their wages have not gone up by more than the rate of inflation.But assets have. So things like, you know, houses is the obvious example. The supply of new units never kept up, so asset prices have gone up significantly. So even though wages have not gone up, all of the asset prices have. And what's been happening over the last 40 years, as real wages have not been increasing, is people have been taking on additional debt in order to get that growth in lifestyle, or the additional generations have been taking on debt.So you've got that massive expansion of also the private debt that comes along with it as well.And then you've got a couple of other significant factors as well.It wasn't just the boomer generation that were large and expanded.Then, of course, in the 1990s, we brought China and India into the global economy, and that significantly expanded it.We have increasingly, well, to the point where it is just absolute commonplace now, women have been brought into the workplace that perhaps they were, weren't in the earlier 70s or 60s. And now, of course, we've got the robots as well. So there's been that big expansion, of workers contributing. The millennial generation was also quite large.So those wages haven't grown, but asset prices have, debt has and government spending has.So we've now got ourselves into this completely unviable situation where, say the UK, the UK is spending about £1.30 for every £1 it raises in taxes.Then you start to think about, okay, how are we going to get out of this?And that's when you start to discover that actually none of the options for getting out of this work either.
Well, can I, because when you look back, you think of those in charge across the world who are causing these financial issues, the government's in charge there, baby boomers or Gen X, and they lived in a time, just on the edge of Gen X, but lived in a time where you had to use your money wisely.You had to save.You shouldn't have a high debt. So they grew up with that understanding of looking at money in a careful manner of balancing your expenditure and your income.And yet they're the ones who have tried to change the rules, even though they know better.And when I look at it politically, that kind of intrigues me and confuses me.
Yeah, so if you're looking at generational patterns, it was really the generation above that. It was the silent generation, the greatest generation who had that high saving ethos.And they would have passed it on to a number of their children in the boomer generation.But actually the experience of the boomer generation has been that debt is a good thing.You've always wanted to take out debt over your lifetime. If you, in the 1970s, took out the biggest mortgage you possibly could and bought the biggest house you possibly could and then deferred the payment of that loan for as long as you could, you have done very well.Because what's been happening is the value of that debt has been shrinking. Because of course, what governments have been needing to do and central banks have been needing to do is, because the sums don't add up, part of the solution has been to effectively print money.To lower interest rates. Now, lowering interest rates is a significant factor on this. Again, for the last 40 years, interest rates have dwindled down. So, I don't know if anybody's going to remember this, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. There's this charming little advert from late 80s, something like that. And it was this Arthur Daly character, and he's doing the hustle. He's getting out there. I think he's trying to sell barbecues off the back of a lorry or something like that. And in the end, he realizes it's easier just to go to the Halifax and put it in the liquid gold account and get 9.8% on his money.Now we look at that today and think, wow, 9.8%. But you could get that by walking into a bank. And what you've noticed is over the last 40 years is the interest rates have just got lower and lower and lower and lower. So what does that do? Well, what it means is that if you have used debt over your lifetime, and the boomer generations were perfectly set to benefit from this, given the time period that we talked about, if you had a large debt, you could always roll that debt over the following year at a low interest rate than you did before.You add on top of that, the expansion of the money supply and the people who have done the best out of the boomer generations are the ones who have basically abused debt.So naturally, you know, the people who tend to end up in charge are the people who've performed very well in the system and their entire life experience has been, you don't need to worry about debt, debt is a good thing.Let's use this. And then of course you've got the political angle of this as well.It's very difficult to get elected without promising people more. And of course the voters they've gone along with this as well even if they think that they haven't. You know if you go back to say the 80s and you were voting for Reagan or Thatcher thinking that you were voting for the small state option? Well maybe you were voting for the small state option comparatively, but actually both of those politicians grew the size of the state significantly as well.So the state has expanded, the money supply has expanded, when that money has been created it's been done at the nexus between government and central banks and the finance system, so the finance system has got ever larger. And the real value of your money has shrunk significantly every year. So that's why if you wanted to hold the value of any of your excess earnings, you wanted to put it into stocks, you wanted to put it into property. The worst thing you could have done is in 1975, you've done very well and you've saved up a thousand pounds and kept it in cash under the mattress. That would have been an absolute disaster because the real value of that today compared to what it would have been in the 1970s is ridiculous. So we have a system which has for many years rewarded debt creation, additional government spending, additional all, you know, expenditure and debt on all things, in politics, in business and finance.And we've now flipped recently, where that is no longer the economic model, it no longer works. And that's why we're coming into this crisis period.
I, before going to some of the possible ways out of it, I watched a, I don't know if you had it on your Twitter, someone else, an interview Jeff Bezos did, founder of Amazon, and he was getting interviewed and they were talking about how Amazon didn't make any money, famously, didn't make any money until quite recently and Jeff Bezos thought well this was the norm this was this was a bit funny and that's how businesses work that you didn't have to make money for 20 odd years you could just keep putting it back and that understanding is completely alien to previous generations where you made sure you made a profit and you set that over you had a buffer zone now it's just actually you can spend way past your limit because know you can borrow from somewhere and the idea you're talking about in government I guess in countries is the same we see in business.
Yeah so certainly with say the government side of that, it has always been the case that you can go and win election by making promises.Spending basically spending more than you take in on the revenue side on the taxation side and if you didn't do this it was it was kind of a foolish move not to do that because you wouldn't have got elected. And in fact I can't even think of a historical example of somebody who went out and offered to spend within their means and then ended up getting elected. It doesn't work for that.But the thing is it wasn't even a problem because that debt that you added on, because the interest rates were coming down over that last 40 years, the cost of servicing that debt got lower. But also because you were printing so much money over this time period, the real value of that debt also fell.You know, my parents, they bought a house in, I don't know when it was, early 80s maybe, and they took out a mortgage of 30 grand. And actually, the way they did it, they did it right, is they did an interest-only mortgage and they didn't pay it off until the end of the term.But 30 grand in the early 80s was quite a lot of money. And, you know, whenever they came around to paying it off, you know, 2000s or something, because I think they extended it or something, I think the real value of that was significantly decreased.So this has been the experience.But now we've got a situation where global debt is about 400% of GDP.Just the official debt is 100% of GDP for countries like the UK and the US.And the problem is there isn't really a way out of it.And people think, well, there must be a way out of it. And people always give certain solutions that they feel must work.So so let's talk about those. You know, the first one is and this is the one that actually nobody talks about in any official capacity.But you sometimes hear this is a version of the guy in the pub might say this is OK, you just write it off.Well, there's a problem for that in the flip side of this debt is that it's somebody else's asset.So you wipe out all of this debt and you've wiped out pensions.Wiped out the basis of the financial system because that is all their collateral. All the banks, their collateral is this debt that they're holding. And you might think, okay, well, this financial system deserves to be wiped out and I'd agree with that. The problem is if you haven't got something to replace it with and you knock out the financial system, the farmer no longer has an incentive to supply food to the wholesalers, the wholesalers no longer have an incentive to supply the shops, you won't be able to buy energy, the whole thing stops and it would be a horrendous mess if we were to get into that without having something set up on the other side.And the people running this system have no incentive to explore alternatives because they are doing extremely well out of this system.So any alternative system is not even being given any time.This is the reason why so many of us are starting to like Bitcoin, because it could offer that alternative.If you want to, later, I'll come into why I say Bitcoin as opposed to gold.
Yeah, we'll end off on that, look at other options. But when you talk about wiping it out by defaulting, which maybe most people will know that from Argentina crisis, whatever that was, 10, 12 years ago, and what happened there.And that was me the first time in many of our lifetimes that a second world country, I guess, had defaulted. It was normally basket case economies.But what does, because on, I watched the interview that Trump did on CNN, and a lot of it's bravado, but he was asked about the debt ceiling, and he said, well, we just default. It might be bad for a little bit, we'll just default. And that's playing to his base, and that's bravado, and I get all that. But it was interesting that he said, well, either we do it now or we do it later.Who cares? We may as well do it now. What are your thoughts on that?It's difficult to know precisely how it would play out. If it was just that you stopped, if you didn't wipe out the debt, but you stopped paying the interest on top of it, which is more to Trump's comments, it's more the Argentinian situation.But Argentina have got in a different position because whenever the Argentinian financial system collapses, which it does on a semi-regular basis, you know, they know what to do.They go to their top drawer, they pull out their dollars, and they get on with life.It's like, oh, okay, it's collapsed again, let's go and grab the dollars, and they just use dollars for a while.Because what's been happening is whenever they've defaulted, it's been, you know, they have been an island of chaos in a basically a global sea of stability.If the Western financial system collapses, it flips the other way.Now it's gonna be pockets of stability because there are a few countries that have, you know, low debt levels, viable currencies, but not many of them.And it's gonna be most of the world that's going to be in this sort of chaos situation.You know, if the dollar defaults, they're not going to go to the top draw and pull out their Argentinian pesos and start using those.They could attempt to use gold and in time, perhaps Bitcoin will be ready for that.But the but the financial rails to make that work aren't there.So default, that's that's why people never talk about it, especially the people in power, because they don't want to, because the system is set up very well for them.And actually, your audience might think that they want that, but you wouldn't want to be living through that transition when there isn't an alternative already set up ready to go.So that's default.
Yes, as much as I would like to burn to the ground, I get that.They also do say that, what, if I owe you 100 pounds, that's my problem, but if I owe you a million, then that's your problem.And obviously, if the US did not pay, that would cause chaos.But obviously, the institutions that have lent money and keep lending money, then they're the ones that suffer. but I guess that has a ripple effect throughout the whole world.Yeah, I mean, it would, once you got to the other side of it, and I don't know how messy it would be and how disruptive and how damaging it would be, but once you got to the other side of it, it'd be very good for younger people who are supplying their labour, people who are productive in the here and now, but people who have been putting away their excess production for many years, thinking that they've got assets that they can get a yield from later in life, those white guys would end up getting wiped out so you can see why the boomer generation doesn't want it.You can also see why the millennial generation doesn't want it, because they're going to have mum and dad and great-uncle Peter and everybody else coming to live with them.It would be very much a sort of, you know, the sort of Southeast Asian type family situations, getting back to that. And actually, nobody should want it unless you've got something set up on the other side. So default is very difficult to do. Of course, they are doing a slow default, which is they are devaluing the money. So if you own a whole load of government bonds, you're finding that actually the real value of those is shrinking all the time.People sort of know that, but because it's like 5% or 10% a year, they would rather lose 5% where they know they're going to lose 5% rather than potentially getting wiped out on alternative.
Well, that's defaulting, walking away from your debt and not paying it. What are your other thoughts that may be on the table as possible ways out or things that governments could consider?
Yeah. So the next one that a lot of people go to, predominantly people on the left, is, okay, let's just tax the rich more. If only there was enough of them. There isn't. And I've done the sums on this, and to make it real, to make it tangible, I just said, okay, let's take the Times rich list. So the Times produce an annual thousand rich list, and they go into lots of detail on the on the top 250, and I said, let's just take all of it from them.And let's say you did that. You wiped out the top.Now, bear in mind, I don't think you'd actually be able to do it, because very rich people are not keeping all of their money in the local bank account where you can just turn up and say to the bank manager, hand it over.It's widely spread all over the world, and they design it in such a way that it is very difficult to do this.But assuming you could just take all of the money the Times Rich List, you'd be able to run the government for about seven months.It's not actually that much money. And that's assuming that you could get all of it.So if you wanted to try, because the debt is just so large, the governmental debt is so large at this point. So you would end up having to go down to people who you would imagine who don't think of themselves as rich.So basically you, me, everybody else watching this as well, it would be full confiscation of assets all the way down the chain in order to try and pay off this level of debt.So nice idea, but it doesn't work. Plus, of course, as soon as you've done it, you basically wiped out the profit incentive for everybody everywhere, because they know as soon as they generate something, it's going to be taken from them.So you're sort of in a Soviet system.So nice idea, lefties, but it's just not viable when you look at the maths, when you look at the amount of rich people there.Plus, of course, let's say you were a politician who started advocating that.You wouldn't get anywhere near the seat of power. You would be suicided into the sun before you got anywhere near that sort of level of power.So wealth confiscation doesn't work. Okay, let's turn to what the right prefer, which is cutting spending.Okay, let's say you wanted in the UK context, cause I know the numbers better there.Let's say you wanted to clear out this debt over the next 20 years.So a reasonable pace, but you're not gonna go too fast. You're just going to flip it from a deficit every year to a surplus that's sufficient to pay this off over 20 years.What does that look like?You would have to cut all government spending by, I think it's about 37%.But remember that I said before that debt interest is a large element of that.You're not getting anything for that. And actually, if you look at the budgets of the NHS, of pensions, of schools, and all the rest of it, A lot of that is non-cash items depreciation and so on.So actually what we're talking about is a 50% reduction to all government spending, and all of it, not just not one, not the top elements, all of it.So that would mean cutting the NHS in half, cutting the school system in half, pensions in half, military in half, all of it in half.Now, bear in mind that in my lifetime, I have never seen a government get elected that did not go into an election promising a real terms increase in the NHS, what are the prospects of somebody getting themselves elected saying, oh yeah, I'm going to cut the NHS in half and schools and everything else?So even though cutting the spending is actually probably the right solution, it's not going to happen until the government is absolutely forced to do it and the nation is forced to do it. So that doesn't get you there either.So we've knocked out three options. The next option is, okay, well, let's grow the economy then.And this is where I think Liz Truss had it right.It didn't help that she was as smart as a chocolate bar. If she had a little bit more brains and was a little bit more political savvy, you know, maybe she could have made a lot more progress. But her instincts were basically right.Even though her budget didn't actually do that because her budget was increasing spending because she didn't talk about the cuts on the other side.But let's stick with the theme of we're going to grow our way out of this.Okay, we've got a problem. I talked earlier about the growth in the debt.So the debt is growing about 4% or 5% a year at the moment. So if you want to grow yourself out of the situation, it's easy.You just need to grow the economy larger than about 4% or 5% a year.In fact, you sort of want it up at sort of 6%, 7%, 8%. The UK manages normally about 1.5% to 2%.So the level of growth required is well beyond the level that we are capable of.And add on to that, that the growth that we have achieved in our best years before have not been the level of taxation that we need in order to continue to pay out on NHS and pensions and Social Security and all those other big ticket items that we've got.So taxes are higher, taxes keep getting higher and taxes are gonna continue to get a lot higher.In addition to that, regulation, that's gonna be a big factor as well.Politicians, they don't like to sit still, they like to regulate, they like to make additional rules, which in their minds will add consumer protections.but what it's really doing is it's giving jobs for a larger army of bureaucrats and it's slowing down that wealth creation process. Yes, it smooths out some fraud and bad actors on the way, but the bigger effect is it really clamps down on economic growth. So the level of growth that we would need to get out of this situation is nowhere near the level that we can actually do. I do have one proviso on that though.Maybe some of the technologies coming down the track could do that.And it's really early, I think, to say whether that will be the case, but we have got a technology revolution going on at the moment in things like AI and robotics.And, you know, possibly there's a couple of interesting scenarios that come out of that.You know, one is the machines take over and they get rid of us all. That could happen.The other one is that it unleashes a productivity boon that drastically increases the growth rate.So maybe it's possible, but that, it starts to feel a bit like fantasy thinking when I'm talking like that, because I'm sort of saying the only Hail Mary that gets us out of this is a potential future situation, which we can sort of imagine in our minds might come true.And maybe it does, but that seems to be the solution they're going for.They're just hoping that a productivity miracle comes along.And even though we can imagine it, it feels pretty risky to be putting all our eggs in that basket.But that's what we're doing.
Well, at the moment where we are and where the whole economy, world economy, balanced on a knife edge and been hit by headwinds, just in these last 23 years with the crash in 2008 and then with Covid.Those are two massive hits. And of course, debt, the government can take on debt only because of the rates it borrows it at.So when interest rates are low, when the ability to borrow money, when money is cheap, then they can keep doing that.But you talked about parents buying a house in the 80s and whenever interest rates were 15 percent in the 80s, all it takes is a change in the economic circumstances. All it takes is a disaster somewhere.And then the whole thing tips over. Is that a kind of a fair assessment?
Yeah. So, I did allude to this earlier, basically, the economic model has shifted. So for a long time.Well, basically forever until the early 2000s, the economic formula, and if I'm gonna really oversimplify it, I will boil it down to more.Okay, so you want more workers, you want more factories, you want more production lines, you want more shops.Let me give you a pertinent example of the precise inflection point that I'm talking about.Blockbuster videos.So the recipe for success for Blockbuster videos was open another store, get another line of VHS or DVDs, get another employee, more, more, more, more, more.And then what happened is technology changed that, the digitization of information.Because Netflix came along, and they reduced the marginal cost of distribution for a video down to zero. And all of a sudden, Blockbusters went from, What was it, maybe 3,000 stores, 80,000 employees, something like that.All of those stores went from being an asset to being a liability, because all of a sudden you didn't need that anymore.And that's what's been happening in the digitization process that started in, say early 2000s, and has been accelerating every year ever since.Where the economic model is no longer more, it's more for less, it's reducing the costs.And that's what digitization technology does for you.But we've built a financial system that works on more. So this system that I've been describing over the last 40 years or so, and I talk about this financial system and I'm saying it is fundamentally flawed, it would be very sensible for somebody in their 50s or 60s to turn around to me and say, well, look, it worked over my lifetime. I went out and I got a pay rise every year. I work for a company that did more every year. I took on more debt. So why shouldn't it work anymore? And it is because of that technological change is starting to push massive deflation. So what do I mean by massive deflation? Do you remember going to get photos developed?You buy a reel of film, put it in your camera, you take your shots, and you pay for for the reel of a film, you pay for the camera, you pay for the processing, you pay for the picture album that goes behind it.And these days, everybody just uses their phone. The cost of that thing is basically collapsed down to zero for taking pictures because it's just all bundled into your phone.That's gonna be true for apps on your phone. Like when was the last time you bought a calculator?Again, it's just on your phone. There are so many things now that we do not pay for anymore.And from the economic, if you're looking at it as an economist, it looks like the economy's getting smaller.Because nobody's paying for photos anymore. Nobody's buying calculators anymore.All of these things are disappearing from an economic model that was set up assuming that next year there will be a need for more of everything.And actually it's flipped the other way. It's all deflation these days. It's all about getting more for less.So you try and combine an economic system that must always have more and therefore can accommodate monetary expansion.So you can print money and you can basically get away with it under the old economic system.You can't get away with it under the new system.So what happens if you take the old economic model, which is more printing money, and you apply it to the new economy, which is digitization and deflation?But what happens is you get the inflation manifests in a cost of living reduction.So in a quality of living reduction, I should say, sorry. So that's why you're seeing your fuel bill shoot up as much as it is.You're seeing the costs of the shop going up significantly because that expansion of the money supply is manifesting itself as basically your wages shrinking, what you can buy with them.But the value of all those real things are just being re-nominated by the amount of currency units that are out there.So we got us into this situation where the only tools that policy makers are willing to consider, to allow themselves, it's more and more money printing. At the same time, we've got all these different... And you think what's going to happen next with AI and robotics? AI and robotics is already taking over so many things. You may not have noticed it personally, if you're living in in the West, but if you are a Filipino call centre worker, you've noticed the impact of AI already.And now with the advances that we've seen over the course of the last year, say the image creation, if you've seen some of the image creation that AI is capable of doing now, it looks like photos.And I'm hearing this all the time now from small businesses, like game studios, for example, they just don't need as many graphic designers as they do.ChatGPT is fascinating because, you know, there are iterations of that that are coming out.So for example, I dumped a fairly large set of data into it the other day and said, tell me the most interesting trends from this data.And within a few seconds, it did what would have taken me at least a day to pass out of that data.You've got the big accountancy firms, the big consultancy firms, looking at effectively freezing all new hires while they investigate how they can incorporate this.And this is before robotics really becomes a thing. So a lot of people are working on self-driving cars.And some people say, oh, no, it's never going to happen. But we used to say that about some of the AI stuff until recently.But actually, today, it is possible to get into a Tesla and to go from your home to your office without any interventions. Now you do need to be there ready because it's not that technology isn't quite ready yet. You need to be ready to take over but plenty of people do have journeys where they don't need to intervene at all from home to office. It does the entire journey. When that technology is reliable enough it's going to displace drivers. Does that matter? Well yeah because driver is the largest job category for unskilled males across the entire world. So you've got all of these massive deflationary trends coming while governments are panicking and thinking, what do we do? We haven't got enough money, we can't cut spending, because that would mean that we get kicked out of the next election, let's just hit the print button.So, people are going to have to get use to a lot of inflation and a lot of tax over the coming 10 years until something fundamentally breaks and we are forced to adopt a new system.
Well, I want to ask you about the US or what your thoughts are, because obviously the US has been the engine of the world economy as a superpower.Now we're seeing their, I guess, dependence on other countries increase and less self-dependent, certainly as they've abandoned under Biden their energy policy.But then you've got the whole petrodollar with a lot of push for pricing commodities in non-US dollars.You got the BRICS push for currency, and then you've got the supply chain, I guess, in chaos.Where we are now, is it because of the US's fall from that position?Is it a failure of capitalism? Is it globalization failing?I mean, there are a lot of parts, but what are your thoughts on that?
Well, I think I think it's all of those parts. But certainly the the current U.S.regime have have been dealt a set of cards that weren't that great and played them extraordinarily badly.And I am honestly impressed by by what Biden has managed to do over his time.I think if I was given the job of president and I was committed to destroying the U.S.In the shortest possible time period, I really doubt that I could have done a better job than what Joe Biden has done. So the first thing he's done is he made domestic energy far more expensive than it needs to be. You really don't want to mess with energy. Let's talk about an economy very quickly. What is an economy? It is energy and agriculture. And then on top of that, you build whatever goods and services that come on top. Now, goods and services, you can swap them around all day long. If you're producing washing machines and nobody wants to buy washing machines, you can pivot over to hair dryers. If you're doing services, if you're doing accountancy and nobody wants accountancy anymore, you can pivot over to haircuts. You know, whatever it is, that layer is malleable. Energy and agriculture are the foundation tier of an economy and we have a political class these days which is dedicated to, and for example, this is Joe Biden's stated policy, he wants to to make energy expensive. He actually says that. Energy is the whole reason why we're doing this, why your audience do whatever they do as opposed to subsistence farming.It's because we have energy. So it was ludicrous to declare a war on energy, but that is what politicians have decided to do. Now, I'm not necessarily against energy technology long term. Long term, the idea of having energy supplies which have a marginal cost of zero is very attractive.The problem is you could only make that transition at a speed that is naturally possible.I'll very quickly explain what I mean on that. For example, I talked about some of the big interesting technology trends that are coming at the moment. AI and robotics are one. Energy technology is another. 3D printing is another. Let's say that we just decided that we were going to artificially shut down all our factories and replace it with all 3D printing. It would be absurd. You can understand how absurd that would be. Now, long term, the possibilities of large-scale 3D printing is remarkable what it could do, but you have to make that transition at the rate that technology is ready. Whereas we picked another one, we picked energy, and we said we're going to make this transition far faster than the technology allows, before the mineral resources allow. The energy storage simply isn't there. If you did it at a natural pace, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If you've got a factory in southern Italy and you produce mainly during the day and you've got a large roof space, it's a simple return on investment calculation. You think, OK, well, what does it cost me to stick solar panels up there? And what does it knock off my energy bill? And it's there when I need it. Fine. I've got a problem with that. But trying to convert these economies at this sort of breakneck speed, that simply doesn't work. OK. So Biden intact energy, he also undermined the dollar. The dollar has been the global reserve since Bretton Woods, since basically the end of the Second World War. The thing with the war is America ended up with all of the gold, partly because people sent it over there for safekeeping and partly because there was still a functional economy. At the end of the war, they quite liked having all of this gold and they said, I tell you what, instead of giving the gold back, why don't we just makeDollars as good as gold, and you can use dollars instead. They managed that for about 20 years, and then they defaulted on it with Nixon when they broke the link between gold and dollars, but they kind of managed to do it in a way that worked, that people were still happy with the dollars. And they did that through the creation of what you just talked about there, which is a petrodollar. They were a large energy producer, and they went to an even larger energy producer, which is the Saudis, and said, we will give you security guarantees. Basically, we'll make sure that the House of Saud is never overthrown either domestically or by foreign powers, so we will give you military support. In return, you price everything in dollars.All your energy in dollars. And then the invitation to the rest of the world is, would you like to follow suit or would you like to be invaded? And a few of them chose to be invaded, and they got invaded, and their president ended up dying in a rather messy way on a handheld camera somewhere, and the rest of them went along with it.And then you get the Biden government that comes in and they escalate a conflict with Russia.And they did something that we didn't even do during the Second World War, which was seize their foreign reserves. We didn't even do that against the Germans in the Second World War, seize their foreign reserves, but they did it against Russia because they've decided they're going to use the dollar as a weapon. Now that seems very clever to the to the policy wonks in Washington but it sends a signal to the rest of the world and the signal is, what if one day I disagree with the US about something? What if I don't want to go along with whatever their current thing is? And so all of a sudden you've got well basically everybody who who isn't in the, you know who I mean, the, what they call the international community, which is basically Western Europe, the English speaking world, you know, Canada, New Zealand, you know, those countries, those countries that really, that take their political lead from the US.Everybody else is now thinking, we need to find a way off of this.You've got the Chinese agreeing a deal with the Saudis to buy oil in, was it Yuan?You've got India having the same conversations, you've got South American countries having the same conversation. Everybody's thinking, get me out of the dollar because I don't want it to be turned against me as a weapon at some future point.And if I'm entirely reliant on it, that's a real big problem.So he did that as well.Well, I mean, there's so many things with Biden. I mean, I could talk, I'll take up the rest of the time.So I don't wanna do that. But very quickly, I mentioned Afghanistan as well.That whole process that I described with the petrodollar, which is you will use dollars or you will get invaded, only works if there is a credible threat behind it.And when you've got people falling off planes while they're hastily basically getting chased out of Afghanistan by a bunch of guys in sandals, it sends the wrong message.So I won't take up any more time on Biden, But yeah, he has been spectacularly incompetent on every front.
Oh, yeah. I just want to finish just for a few minutes, just to bring us in just the end.And I know what you do and what your thoughts are, actually, you look after yourself.That's a whole topping itself.But just to touch on for a few minutes, I know you've talked about gold, Bitcoin, property.Can we just finish off just why those are positives?
Yeah, well basically because we have now got into a global financial system that can only keep itself running on fumes, it needs to print money. So what you want are assets that can't be printed, and there's a fairly short list of them. It's things like commodities, it's, well, certainly industrial commodities like metals and whatever else.There are agricultural commodities, but they tend to decay over time. And it's not practical to store. You're not going to put all your wealth into copper and have a whole bunch of it delivered to your house, are you, or wheat or whatever. So you tend to want to go for things like property, but property is super easy to tax. And we know that governments are going to be hyper-incentivized to tax everybody as much as they possibly can. Taxes are going to go way higher and property is an easy victim when it comes to that.So then it turns you to the monetary resources, which is going to be gold. Now I like gold, I hold gold. It's very difficult to run a financial system on gold these days. And the reason is because obviously you're not going to be handing over gold coins and silver coins to people when you pay them in the shop. So it is going to have to be a financial system which is based on gold, which means that somebody else somewhere is holding it for you.So the whole logic of gold leads you back to centralization.And typically, the way gold has been done when it's been used as a monetary asset before, is it basically all ends up getting stored in two places, New York and London.And that's because if you take it anywhere else, because gold is so easy to, say, gold bars, it's so easy to drill into them and put tungsten rods inside, that the moment you take it out of the most high trust environments, you basically then need to do an expensive reassay process on it to check where it is. So the whole logic of gold is centralisation, except it's not going to be New York and London that's holding it in the future because everybody's going to want to hold their own. The Chinese aren't going to want to hold theirs somewhere else, they're going to want hold their own. And then you have to trust everybody.So, I mean, if would you trust the Americans when they tell you how much gold they have, or the Chinese or the Russians or Brazil? You know, are you going to trust these places when they tell you how much? So, so gold, I love the idea and I think it's going to benefit and I hold it myself. But when you really get into the nuts and bolts of it, it cannot function in an economy like the one we've got today. And then you start to go down the rabbit hole on Bitcoin. And I was very sceptical at first, and I kept on looking at it, and I kept on realizing more and more that actually this could be the solution. Now, it doesn't mean it will be the solution, because governments are heavily incentivized not to use it, because there is no central control. There's no court office that you can send a cease and and assist notice too. It is a protocol. What do I mean by protocol? Very important distinction between a protocol and service. Email is a protocol. Twitter is a service. You can be booted off Twitter. You can't be booted off email because it's a protocol and you can set up your own server in your house if you want to. You can go to another property. It's very easy, but services are centralised and they can't be.So Bitcoin is now at about 300 million users, and it's growing twice as fast as the previous fastest technological big grow, which was the internet.So Bitcoin now has about as many users as the internet had in 1997.And over the next 10 years, the internet went on to revolutionize everything.And I think Bitcoin has the possibility of doing the same thing.So I don't know that it's going to be the solution.All I'm saying is that I am yet, and I have looked at this a very great deal, I'm yet to see a reason why it can't be the solution other than adoption, which governments will try and stop people.But how successful were the record companies in stopping kids from downloading albums online?Not in the slightest.If Bitcoin was gonna be killed, it should have been killed already.And it's still thriving. So how do you protect yourself? Have stuff that can't be printed.And I like property, I do like gold, but most of all, I probably like Bitcoin as a solution here.
Well, Dan, thank you so much for joining us.Obviously, the viewers can find you on Brokenomics on Lotuseaters, which is probably one of the best reasons people should get a subscription to Lotus Eaters.But thank you so much for coming on.
No, it's been an absolute pleasure, really enjoyed it.
And we'll have you on again. A lot of those things to unpack at the end, We didn't get time, but it'll be great to have you on again to unpack some of those three commodities you ended with.
Yeah, absolutely. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Dr Peter McCullough - Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK Jr, Eco Health Alliance and the latest Myocarditis & Excess Death Data

It is an honour to have the world famous cardiologist Dr Peter McCullough join us on Hearts of Oak again. We are getting a taster of the political shockwaves that are coming down the line with presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy recently saying that the public were duped on the COVID Jab and of course we have RFK Jr actively red-pilling the left. And just in the last week we have seen another slew of data on vaccine harms and excess deaths. The truth will be told and Dr McCullough is leading the vanguard as one of the main catalysts of getting this information out to the public.Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, managing the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas, TX, USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection,” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine.McCullough has 51 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in The Hill, America Out Loud, and on FOX NEWS Channel.On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, New Hampshire Senate, and South Carolina Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.Dr. McCullough has two years of dedicated academic and clinical efforts in combating the SARS-CoV-2 virus. In doing so, he has reviewed thousands of reports, participated in scientific congresses, group discussions, press releases, and been considered among the world’s experts on COVID-19.Dr. McCullough is also known for his iconic views on the state of medical truth in America and around the globe.He pierces through the thin veil of mainstream media stories that skirt the major issues and provide no tractable basis for durable insight. McCullough aims to bring critical information and insights to the viewers and listeners in a concise and understandable format.Sit back, take notes if you are so inclined, and you will always come away better informed and more settled in your direction forward regarding personal and family medical navigation, home and health products, diagnostic tests, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and the path forward for you and your loved ones.'The Courage to Face Covid 19' in hardback or paperback....https://couragetofacecovid.com/products/the-courage-to-face-covid-19?variant=41888573685916Follow and support Dr. McCullough at the links belowWebsite: https://www.petermcculloughmd.com/Substack: https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=emailGETTR: https://gettr.com/user/p_mcculloughmdTwitter: https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMDTruth: https://truthsocial.com/@petermcculloughmdTelegram: https://t.me/C19ExpertChannelAmerica Out Loud: https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-mccullough-report/Concerned Doctors: https://concerneddoctors.org/dr-peter-mccullough-videos/Interview recorded 11.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Peter McCullough.
He re-joined us, having been with us last year, and we start on the political side.I saw him at CPAC, and Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a US presidential candidate for the Republicans, said on a talk show he was duped, and the American people were duped, on COVID vaccines. He said if he was doing it again, he would do it differently. Wow. So I asked Dr. McCullough his thoughts on that, And then on his thoughts on Robert Kennedy Jr. standing for the Democrats and how that will blow up in the conversation on the left. Then we're going to just a number of reports and studies that have come out. Trida vaccine injury syndromes converges on victims and Dr. McCullough said this is what he's seen more and more regularly. This is the usual syndrome that he is seeing.And long COVID, being vaxxed. So it seems as though there's a correlation with that, talking about mRNA in breast milk and the impact this has on pregnant women and their unborn children.Then the reactivation of funding, federal funding for the Eco Health Alliance, unbelievable, but it is true. Even though they've been discredited, they've now been handed half a million dollars for funding. And then myocarditis, not recovering 80% of six months after vaccination, only 20% of young people are recovering within six months from myocarditis. And Dr. McCullough writes this in his sub stack that you need to go to and delve into this and understand this more deeply. And then we end up with excess deaths. Huge range of topics. And as always, Dr. McCullough brings his expert analysis to all of them.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have back with us once again, the world-renowned cardiologist and chief scientific officer of The Wellness Company.That's Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. McCullough, thank you for your time today.
(Dr Peter McCullough)
Thanks for having me.
Not at all. And I understand that you are one of the most published cardiologists ever in America.I think it was a thousand publications and 660 citations. So you bring a wealth of understanding and knowledge and background to this. So I appreciate your time today.
Thank you. You know, people have always asked, what do all those citations mean?You know, as a general rule in the National Library of Medicine, about 25 citations would qualify somebody to be a professor of medicine. And those who really race up in terms of their academic contributions, it just means they've looked at more data. There's been more scholarship.I focused on heart and kidney disease at interaction, made key discoveries, led key innovative groups, you know, in many areas of medicine. I've led data safety monitoring boards for important drugs, devices, strategies, presented at the European Medicine Agencies, the National Institutes of Health, New York Academy of Sciences. So I was well known in medicine before COVID-19. Now, since the pandemic, I've directed my scholarship entirely to the, pandemic response, have over 60 peer-reviewed publications in this area, including the seminal papers describing the methods of treating COVID-19 to reduce hospitalization and death.
Wow, well I want to delve into the medical side but as I saw you at, as I said before, saw you whenever I was over at CPAC and you were always in many interviews being mobbed, but, if I could ask you some, two political thoughts I had. I saw that Vivek Ramaswamy, who's a candidate for presidential candidate, standing for the Republican side.I think a few days ago, he had said, I think it was the Steve Deace show, that he well, he had had two doses of the jab, but he said that he was duped.And I thought that was quite key. And then he went on to say if he was if he were to do it again, he wouldn't have done it the same way.But that for him to say he was duped, what were your thoughts whenever you heard a presidential candidate saying something like that.You know, we've been looking for some signals from the presidential candidates regarding the vaccines. The COVID-19 vaccine debacle is one of the biggest issues on the minds of Americans, and many of the candidates have been skirting around it. They just haven't addressed where they stood.And congratulations to Steve Deace, a friend of mine who, you know, Ramaswamy is a young man.He doesn't have considerable experience. You know, many think that young candidates, they're largely angling from some experience and maybe a cabinet position. But it was nice when Deace asked him directly about it, where he said he took the two shots, he regretted it. He felt America was duped. That means to be fooled or deceived by the government narrative. Said he would have done things differently. And so he left it open. I think that's journalists like yourself and others will have to ask him, well, what would he have done differently there? A young man like him who's thin and fit, there's no theoretical benefit of the vaccines, just the real harms, the real hard data on fatal and non-fatal vaccine injury syndrome. So he probably felt like he, later on, realized he took a personal risk with his health and regrets it.Now, that's on the Republican side and I'm curious and intrigued to see how that's brought into the debate. But on the Democrat side, you have Robert Kennedy Jr.And whenever he announced he was running, I was fascinated because he would be on the opposite political side as me.But actually, during the last three years, you rub shoulders with people you wouldn't normally. And he has been extremely vocal throughout his whole life on vaccines.And what were your thoughts on that? Because I think that could just blow the whole discussion, because again, you're thinking to the Democrat side, this conversation maybe hasn't been had as fully as maybe on the right.And him stepping into that, to me that changes the whole conversation.It certainly does. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who's the son of the late Bobby Kennedy, our former attorney general, and the nephew of John F. Kennedy, certainly comes from a storied, family history of politics. He's a lifelong Democrat. He's not anti-vaccine. I know him very well. He's simply pushing for safe and effective vaccines. He doesn't want to see any more Americans harmed by vaccine side effects. The benefits of any vaccine are not, compelling enough to have harm done to the population. And we know since 1986, all the vaccine manufacturers have liability protection. So that isn't fair when someone is paralyzed or has a terrible side effect from a vaccine. And I think pretty clearly he believes no one should, receive any pressure, coercion, or threat of reprisal for vaccines. It shouldn't be mandated for school or for employment or military service. And we should have, all the states in the country should have full tripartite vaccine exemptions, meaning philosophical exemption, don't feel like you don't need to take it on philosophical grounds, religious and medical. So there should be freedom. He's pushing for freedom. This is very important. Medical freedom is related to social and economic freedoms. They're all related. And that's what I told America when I gave my Lincoln Memorial address. You know, that was a few minutes before Kennedy was up on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial with me. So I think we're very well aligned on this. You know, what I find interesting is that the COVID Community States Program weighed in from North-eastern University and Harvard, and a huge sample. So they actually figured out who took the vaccine. And the answer is in America, 25% of adult Americans, like me, did not take the vaccine. I didn't take the COVID vaccine. Best decision I ever made. I feel great. I don't have to worry about blood clots or heart damage or any of these lingering effects that we're seeing now. So many people who skipped the vaccine are so grateful they made the right choice. So that 25%, many of them actually suffered reprisal for doing this. They lost their jobs, family strife. There was a lot of unnecessary consequences that happened to people who made the right decision. Now, We only have 60% of the adult Americans who vote, only 60% vote.The 25% who didn't take the vaccine like me are likely to vote.So now we have nearly half of the voting block for the presidency where the vaccine is the issue.And everybody wants to know where do the candidates stand on the failed COVID-19 vaccines.That uptick really intrigued me and it's something that's come out in the UK that we now have a database you can put in your zip code for you over there or postcode and you can find out supposedly the uptake and one of the striking things on that is the booster uptick is around 1 to 2% in many areas and I probably didn't necessarily believe a lot of the data that were getting. But that 25% that didn't, I thought, wow, there's at last some honesty with the figures. And I guess you looking at these figures of the last three years, there's been massive scepticism of the information we're being told.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because as the COVID Community States Program, which was an academic epidemiologic program, as they were reporting 25% unvaccinated, the CDC at that time was reporting 8% unvaccinated.Well, what's the difference? And the answer is the CDC was over counting.If patients forgot their vaccine card, they went to a different pharmacy, they could have had a new card started at the booster stage and been counted again.So we now know that the CDC does not have accurate vaccination data.There tended to be overestimating vaccination.Our CDC is currently reporting 16% booster uptake, and that's almost certainly an overestimate.We need to know booster uptake by time.Because the boosters only last theoretically six months. Clinically, it's about half of that.So no matter who took a booster more than six months ago, they're effectively unvaccinated.
Yeah. If I can just discuss some of the things you've posted, even just the last week on Twitter, and of course, if people go to your Twitter handle, they can get the link to your Substack, the website, everything is there and encourage people to to sign up.Certainly your Substack, which has been a fantastic source of information for many of us.And one of the actually it was America Outloud.com, which I know you write for, had the headline you put up a few days ago was try to vaccine injury syndromes converges on victims.It said amongst the most common and frustrating COVID-19 vaccine injury syndromes are small fibre neuropathy, pleurodynia and POTS, which I can't even pronounce what's there, and you had a lady who came on and acted as if she was going to see her doctor and discussed what, but tell us about some, because we hear all different side effects and we'll maybe touch on myocarditis a little bit, but it was those three coming together and it seems to be every week, every two weeks, there's another issue that comes up.
It's true, but this triad that I pointed out far and away is the most common constellation. I've been seeing patients now with vaccine injuries now for two years, you know, steady flow in the clinic, so I really have a good handle on this.And so the triage is the following. One is pleurodynia, just some nonspecific chest pain.Sometimes it hurts to cough or take a deep breath or laugh. Sometimes when they put pressure on the chest, one can feel pain, which is called pleurodynia. The next one is a small fibre neuropathy, that is feeling numbness and tingling, prickling in the hands and the feet, usually sometimes the back of the legs.And then the third is POTS or Posterior Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome. And patients will recognize this because their heart rate unexpectedly will shoot up when they're doing nothing, then go down. Blood pressure up and down. When they exercise, things seem to be out of proportion to what they need in terms of exercise, and they feel generally unwell. And so I was lucky enough to have a patient reach out to me. She's very sophisticated, and she gave consent, and she told us her story and she had that triad.And I went through the questions I would ask her, the tests I would order to rule out serious problems like myocarditis, like major problems in the central nervous system, et cetera.And then what medicinal empiric approach would I take?And for the pleurodynia, the drug I prescribed the most is called Colchicine.This is a form of an anti-inflammatory. There's about two dozen trials in acute COVID-19 showing that it plays a role. So we know it's helpful there.The largest one of note's called the CO-Corona trial done out of the Montreal Heart Institute, over 4,000 subjects, probably the best and largest outpatient COVID study.So colchicine is also used to treat gout and forms of inflammation.So it seems to be very important for the pleurodinium.For the POTS, the posterior orthostatic tachycardia syndrome.That's actually too much adrenaline being released from the sympathetic chain of ganglia in the neck as well as the adrenal glands.And I found that it was a relatively underutilized beta blocker called Natalo, which has what's called intrinsic sympathomimetic activity.It seems to modulate the alpha and beta receptors just the way we need in order for that nervous system feedback loop to the brain to be corrected.And then the final triage in this entire problem is actually dissolving the spike protein itself, which is loaded up with COVID-19, the illness and serial vaccines.Remember, we get spike protein in our body, we can't get it out for months, if not a year or more, after the infection, as well as the vaccines. Each shot of the vaccine installs large amounts of spike protein.There we're utilizing nattokinase.Nattokinase is a natural enzyme that's derived from the fermentation of soy is discovered by the Japanese.A bacteria that breaks it down is Bacillus subtilis natto.And it creates this fermented product as an enzyme. The Japanese have been using it for over a thousand years.That is eat consuming natto. But we now have a supplement they've used for about two decades.They use it for cardiovascular applications. a form of a blood thinner, so it's a serious supplement to take. The current recommended dose is 2,000 fibrinolytic units or 100 milligrams twice a day, it's well within the range of safety. It's been safety tested up to 80,000 units at a single time, so it's well within the safety limit.The caveats are bleeding, mucosal bleeding from the nose or mouth, and then a soy allergies.Otherwise, it is a safe supplement.It's not immediate that this three-component therapeutic program works, but most patients after two months, they start to come back and they start to feel like they're on the way back.So I wanted to share that. Many of the doctors that are sought out nowadays are with The Wellness Company.I advise that company as a chief scientific officer so they're well aware of that approach.But I have to tell you, that's my most common approach I use in clinic and I'm glad we finally found something that can help people through this.I've tried hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fluvoxamine, prednisone, a whole variety of different drugs and I've really settled on these three. Two prescription drugs and then one over-the-counter supplement.
That's really helpful. And I think many people are concerned that if they did have any of these and they went to see their normal doctor, that actually in the doctor's mind would not be thinking that actually these could be related and therefore their concerns could be dismissed.I agree. The first question a patient should ask a doctor is, did they take the COVID vaccine and did they push it on their patients?And if they did, the patient ought to have a serious conversation with it because that doctor made some grave mistakes with his or her own healthcare and obviously pushed a dangerous vaccine on their patients.And we now know large numbers of people have died after the vaccine, have suffered injuries or disabilities, and those doctors really owe their patients an apology.
There was another tweet, you said, most people with long COVID are vaxxed, so multiple spike protein exposures are making Americans sick.And I know I've talked to UK friends and US friends, they seem to think the solution to long COVID is getting a booster and another booster.And tell me, tell us about that, because people are ill and with long COVID and some people it's quite a dark journey.
It's true. Long COVID, remember this occurred before the vaccine, so the respiratory illness clearly causes it. It almost exclusively occurs in people who are sick enough to be hospitalized, about 50% will have it. They feel generally unwell, weight loss of skeletal muscle, hair loss, skin and nail changes, headache, ear ringing, fatigue, brain fog. It really bothers people.Now, with lesser degrees of severity of COVID, there's less and less long COVID.The best way to prevent it is actually early treatment.If we can snuff out the virus very early and get relatively little exposure to the virus in the body, that's the best way to do it.We again believe what's driving this is the pathogenic spike protein, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.Now, the vaccines install more spike protein.So there's no way the vaccine can make it better. It's going to clearly make it worse.But what we have in many countries, a good example is Australia, I was just there a few months ago.Virtually all of Australia was pre-vaccinated.They were all pre-vaccinated. Because the vaccines don't work, they get COVID anyway.So those who are having long COVID, it's far more severe in Australia because they've been pre-vaccinated and they've been loaded with the spike protein.So then we have to work our way out of it. But I wouldn't want anybody to think we should take a vaccine to reduce the chances of long COVID because the vaccines don't work, people get COVID anyway, and it just makes the long COVID syndromes worse.And so as we sit here today, a paper by Claussen and colleagues from Harvard suggests that 94% of Americans have already had COVID.I've already told you 75% took vaccines. So anybody with long COVID likely has had both exposures.
Yeah, absolutely. There was another study or news piece from Trialsite News and that was on maternal mortality skyrocketing, gestational thrombotic complications up and MRA in the breast milk. And I think the MRA in the breast milk, that should fill a lot of people with big concern. I know that's been talked about before, but I mean, tell us about this because you end that tweet by saying COVID vaccine should never have been allowed in pregnant women.
Early in 2021, Dr. Raphael Stricker in San Francisco, who runs, by the way, the largest fetal loss centre in the United States, he's an expert. He's an allergist, immunologist, but he's an expert on pregnant women and losing their babies. And Dr. Stricker and I published in trial site news that the COVID-19s were vaccine category X, and that's a regulatory category saying that they have a dangerous mechanism of action. They install the lethal spike protein in the body, and we have no experience in pregnant women. They were excluded from randomized trials and no assurances would be safe to the woman or the baby, none whatsoever.So it's pregnancy category X. It's very important. Pregnant women should have never taken the vaccine. Never, never. It doesn't matter what the doctors say. Pregnant women are responsible for themselves, their bodies, and their babies. Now, pregnant women have a lower risk of severe COVID outcomes as shown by Pinellas and colleagues in a paper in Annals of Internal Medicine. So, we weren't worried about pregnant women. If they got severe COVID, they're treatable, you know, and we can treat them with an array of drugs. By the way, hydroxychloroquine, very safe in pregnancy. We've, you know, it's been actually dedicated pregnancy studies with hydroxy. So, so we know for sure it's safe, as is aspirin, prednisone, and the other drugs that we normally use.Now, what's coming out is very, very disturbing. First, last summer in JAMA, a paper by Hannah and colleagues showed that breastfeeding women who take the vaccine, they actually are transmitting the messenger RNA through milk to the babies.And this is a terrible, very worrisome finding. Now genetic material getting into the bodies of recently arrived babies in the world.No idea what this is gonna do to the children. It can't be good.It's definitely not natural.The next piece of information came, first author is Hoyert, a single author paper, analysing data from the National Centre for Health Statistics.And there, it's published on the CDC website, March of 2023, showing record maternal mortality.That is, women dying during pregnancy or 42 days after the pregnancy.That was the definition according to their highest risk group, African Americans, but at all groups. They've erased progress in maternal mortality. Now, in the same sub-stack, I juxtapose the CDC report that indicates 65% of pregnant women have either taken the vaccine, ill-advised, before or during pregnancy. Despite our warnings that it's pregnancy category X, now we have the tragic case that unfolded last week of the death of U.S. Olympic sprinter Tori Bowie. And what we know there is this is just absolutely terrible. She's found dead at home, and she's seven months pregnant. The U.S. Track and Field Association has mandated COVID-19 vaccination, so they've been silent now. USTAF and family have been silent on whether or not she took the vaccine. But the concern is that she took it, and she had a fatal complication, either blood clot, heart damage, or some type of intracranial catastrophe.
Wow, wow. And of course, we have learned, I think just could have been yesterday, about the reactivation of federal funding for Eco Health Alliance. To touch on that, because obviously,your government, our government, they haven't learned anything over these last three years.
I think it's very intentional. Peter Daszak, who's the president of the Eco Health Alliance, they're basically an NIH contractor. They work with academic groups. They take the blueprint for viruses that are basically engineered in the lab by computer modelling by US researchers, and then they shuttle the plans over to the Chinese or other Asian countries where the the work is done in order to create new viruses.Daszak was involved in shuttling over the plans from Ralph Baric to create the chimeric SARS-CoV-2 virus.And Baric published this in 2015 in Nature Communications and proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.They created SARS-CoV-2 and published the methods and how they did it, chimeric parts, of a virus from a bat, parts of a virus from a known coronavirus in order to get it to invade a human respiratory epithelial tract. Peter Daszak, early in 2021, led a group of doctors.After they had met on a conference call with Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and Jeremy Farrar from the Wellcome Trust in the UK, Daszak led a group of authors to publish one of a series of papers. It was a dozen academic papers that were intentionally fraudulent. They were deceiving the public, describing the virus came out of nature when Daszak himself knew it came out of basically his plans that he drew up with Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. This was an intentional cover-up campaign. This came out in the U.S. House Select Committee for the Coronavirus Origins, led by House Representative Comer, and it's shocking that the NIH, and actually the branch that Fauci used to lead, the NationalImmunology Infectious Disease and Allergy Branch, that they actually released his former R01 grant.His R01 grant was distilled to look among different bats to try to find viral strains that could jump into humans. I mean, it's just simply asking for trouble. Daszak is off, and you know, these are small grants, it was only about $500,000. It's not the size of the grant that matters, it's the fact that he's going to be able to now shuttle academic capital to Asia. Daszak says that now he's going to take this to the Duke University branch in Singapore, but the grant describes the bat caves in China going right back to the same work. So you're right. It appears as if the NIH is wilfully blind to this active cover-up.They don't care.They're pursuing this biological threat research. They must have been given orders high up to continue to do this.We have the National Security Administration, the FBI,Department of Energy and NIH, the House and the Senate all agreeing that the origin of SARS-CoV-2 was the lab. It was a US innovation contracted to the Chinese, and it leaked out of the lab in Wuhan, China. But to continue to pursue this, many are saying, and I agree, that it's reckless, it's irresponsible, and it really shows deep complicity that the biopharmaceutical complex is at work creating more biological threats for the world. And Peter Daszak is leading the way.
Well, let's certainly watch what happens on that. On the, back to the specific medical side.You had written a piece on your website, and I think the headline was, myocarditis not recovering 80% at six months after vaccination. Tell us about it, because again, people are expecting that the body can recover quickly, but this says that only 20% of people with that had recovered over six months.
Another disturbing report, this comes from Yale School of Medicine. They had 17 young teenagers in the hospital with myocarditis.Remember, teenagers should be going to high school. They shouldn't be hospitalized with myocarditis. They ill-advised took one of the COVID-19 vaccines and they got in deep trouble.Sky-high troponin levels showing heart damage, probably had chest pain, shortness of breath, arrhythmias, other manifestations, and they undergo serial MRIs. Now, they did rule out any exposure to COVID, so that was very clean. This is purely due to the vaccine.And they found that in 80%, the MRI at 200 days was not getting better. 20% it got better. You know, these small areas of late gadolinium enhancement that we see on MRI, they should resolve. Previous work done years ago by Bruckman and colleagues from Germany showed that the heart can remodel a small area of inflammation. I'm concerned that the genetic material, Pfizer and Moderna, is sufficiently long-lasting, the spike protein long-lasting, the body keeps producing more of it, that the children have ongoing cardiac injury and it's not clearing up on MRI.This could leave some to have a scar, and when they have a scar they could be at increased risk for two things, heart failure later on in life or cardiac arrest, particularly with sports.Wow, and on sports, we've seen a number of sports stars. The papers seem to be regularly full of another sports star having retired early or having complications.I mean, tell us about, because the stories are there, but maybe the dots are not necessarily being joined up.
Well, let's take the issue of death in young people. There's a paper on my substack that I quote from about 15 years ago, and you can find it on the Courageous Discourse sub-stack, but it was basically describing death among college students. It does happen rarely.But the point of the paper was 87% of the time, we know the cause of death.Readily apparent, you know, cancer or suicide or homicide or a drug overdose, motor vehicle accident.What we're seeing now is scores of athletes, scores, sudden death and no explanation, no explanation at all.And it's called died suddenly, Edward Dowd has compiled an entire monograph on this in the life insurance roles of sudden unexplained death skyrocketing, mortality skyrocketing in every system.John Stockton, former Utah Jazz star, is keeping track of the athletes in the United States and there's hundreds now that have died, have died on the court or in practice.It seems to be the adrenaline that precipitates the sudden death with vaccine-induced myocarditis.And we knew actually before the COVID vaccines that we can't let young people with myocarditis exercise because it will trigger a sudden death event. So we knew this ahead of time.And what's happened is the sports teams have mandated the vaccines, but they haven't provided any safety safeguards for the athletes. And so they suffer heart damage. And then during competition, we never know who's going to have a cardiac arrest. Polycritus and myself analysed this issue, using really just a blog, a public blog of European athletes went down. But it's pretty rigorous. There had to be four or more reports, and you could easily identify that the athlete went down. And the data showed this, that before COVID-19, in the stable period of about 10 or 15 years before COVID-19, the number of cardiac arrests in Europe in the professional leagues, mainly soccer and rugby, but you call football.Age 35 and below, pro and semi-pro, number of cardiac arrests 29 per year.Now, fast forward with vaccination and in 2021 forward, that number came out now, you know, comparing apples to apples, 283. So there's about a tenfold increased risk of sudden death with mass-mandated COVID-19 vaccination. We have clear fatal cases of the COVID-19 vaccines causing myocarditis and sudden death with autopsies, so we know it's happening. And now the great concern is so many athletes have taken it, and they want to know what to do. They have great regret. It's been an absolute horror for our athletes unnecessarily to be vaccinated.A story that came out just today, and again we're seeing headlines that we wouldn't have seen a year ago, I think you're probably the same there, but the headline was, I had to reread this four or five times, the headline in the Daily Mirror was, Brits are dying in their tens of thousands and we don't really have any idea why.And they talked about between May and December 2022, that 32,000 excess deaths.And to have a headline that honest, we really have no idea.That's telling. And I'm assuming, I don't know whether it's in the States, whether you are beginning to, the media are beginning to drop little headlines like that in to begin to have the conversation or not yet.No, it's starting to happen. I was on national TV this morning and the morning anchor mentioned death after vaccination, so it's starting to come up.What we know is that every mortality system is reporting skyrocketing mortality, primarily of younger individuals.A paper published by Skidmore in BMC Infectious Diseases estimated in 2021 that 278,000 Americans had died due to the vaccine. And that matches roughly what VAERS was reporting for that year with a multiplier of about 30. It's very consistent with a paper from Columbia, same year, Pentecost and Seligman. So we have multiple sources of data. We think we lost about a quarter million Americans in the first year of the campaign due to the vaccine, a similar number in the next year.We may be over 600,000. Now, that's going to exceed the amount of casualties we had in the civil war. So this is a very, very serious problem. The vaccines were considered a wartime countermeasure. So the government agencies didn't consider it a public health measure.It's not considered like a standard pharmaceutical. It's considered like basically a war initiative, where there's going to be casualties. And boy, have there been casualties with this vaccine. So, before COVID, the general mortality that we had in the United States, or in UK for that matter, is known. And then it's 40% known antecedent heart disease, 40% known cancer, or 20% other causes. But in the vast majority, it's known. Death is not a mystery in our countries. And what we're seeing now is just a large fraction where they've taken a vaccine and they've died, and the official cause of death is unknown.And when autopsies are done, two papers, one by Schwab, one by Chavez, and there's been probably about 100 necropsy studies that we're compiling at this stage, they show that when an autopsy is done, 70 to 80% of the time, they have a clear-cut cause of death that's, related to the vaccine. Fatal myocarditis, fatal intracranial haemorrhage or clotting, blood clots and pulmonary embolism, or one of the fatal immunologic syndromes. These are published in well-described vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenic peria, multi-system inflammatory disease. So we have a huge scientific base that's indicating the vaccines are essentially killing large numbers of people worldwide.And is it possible that we could get to the point where any of these companies are liable for it, or is it irrelevant who's in the White House because they've been given that protection?
People have said that two conditions may ultimately drop liability shields.The broad liability is not only from the 1986 Vaccine Indemnification Act, but also from the 2005 Prep Act, which says, listen, if we have an invasion of SARS-CoV-2, it's like a war. And so the wartime countermeasures are all, you know, have immunity. But the, two conditions are fraud, that if the public was defrauded by the vaccine manufacturers or the government agencies that were advancing them, the employers that were forcing them.And then the other is actually malicious intent, that indeed, if it was intentionally designed to be harmful, maybe documents would, you know, identify intent. But fraud and malicious intent are the two things that lawyers are looking at most closely. Because, you know, some of these cases are very obvious. Some take the vaccine, they die right in the vaccine centre, or they die the next day. Now, in the UK, as well as the United States, our government, by the way, holds both datasets. They have the entire death database, and they have the vaccine administration database. And if they merge them, we can see how many people die in the first day, in the second day, and look at the temporal relationship. Any death within 30 days, according to regulatory practice, should be assigned to the new drug, in this case the COVID-19 vaccine.And what's the, I mean, I had Tom Fitton on a few days ago from Judicial Watch, and they use freedom of information requests, which we have the same system here.They use it at another level than I've seen before. But will that have to be used as a way to get the data?Because obviously some of the data that had been released from Pfizer, there's so much and it's still been gone through.Will it have to be other freedom of information requests to get more of this data to actually put the jigsaw together.
It's true. Well, you point out that the pharmaceutical companies kept their own separate safety data by obligation to the U.S. FDA for 90 days after release. So anything that happens 90 days after they release the product, they have to record everything. Pfizer had recorded 1,223 deaths within a few hours or a few days of taking their vaccine. So it should have been off the market in January of 2021, and Pfizer did not want to release that to the American public. They got a lawyer. The lawyer for the FDA wanted to block it for 55 years. So that was evidence that the US government is colluding with Pfizer to basically hide safety data in the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna still has not released their 90-day data, neither has Janssen or Novavax. So immediately, there should be strong calls for release of the safety data. It should be done under the prosecutorial power of the U.S. Congress, Senate, Department of Justice, Freedom of Information Act, but that's pretty slow and that's citizen-driven. We need our government agencies to step up and have the companies release the data. I mean, I want to know, is Moderna the same or even worse than Pfizer?I suspect it is, because all the studies that directly compared Moderna and Pfizer show greater toxicity with Moderna. There's a paper by Busby and colleagues on myocarditis that showed that.So, you know, our regulatory agencies, FDA, CDC, NIH, MHRA in the UK, and TGA in Australia, they have grossly let us down. They're actually participating in a fraudulent cover-up of a worldwide COVID-19 vaccine safety debacle.Just my final thought about you as a medical professional, and I've talked to UK doctors and they find it extremely difficult.Those who have spoken up, they've been punished. They've been pulled in front of disciplinary committees.And I know you've suffered as well. What is what is that like?And can doctors be vocal about their concerns or really have many had to stay quiet and how has it affected you?Doctors all need to step up. People are dying. They've died with the virus, untreated, and they've died now with the vaccine. This is not a time for doctors to be silent. They need to be bold and relentless, bring the truth forward. I haven't had a single doctor of my medical standing, the chief of medicine or division chief in cardiology or other medical specialty, actually ever look me in the eyes or send me an email or give me a call on the phone.Not a single one. They're absolutely ashamed of themselves. And I've had attacks from anonymous fact checkers making false claims. I've had attacks through certified letter or email, essentially trying to strip me of all my credentials. And every one of these attempts, I just get stronger. I've got a very, very strong voice out there in the world right now, and everybody knows it. I've given more media analysis. I've done more publications, more stage presentations on this issue than all the public health officials combined.And you can't find an area where I've been wrong or where I've been inconsistent.My views have changed as the virus has mutated, but I've been accurate and you know, the world knows it.And because I have so much media exposure, I have more than the public health officials.The world is coming to me and doctors in my circles for the truth.I think these government agencies and the biopharmaceutical complex is in trouble, and they're looking for the exits right now.We've had Francis Collins, head of the NIH, retire prematurely.Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID.We've seen now Rochelle Lewinsky, just two and a half years in the CDC, and a young woman, very junior, now leave the CDC. People are heading for the exits because they know they've committed wrongdoing.Dr. Peter McCullough, thank you so much for your time today. It's an honour to speak with you. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. Be sure to follow me on my website, petermcullochmd.com.Make sure you check in my podcast, McCulloch Report on America Out Loud Talk Radio, 2 p.m.Eastern, Saturday and Sunday on the Apple iHeart Podcast Network starting on Tuesday.My book, Courage to Face COVID-19, and I'm starting a new TV show, full investigative TV show in Dallas on AFN Network with bestselling author John Leake.It's called The Second Opinion. I'll see you there or start in June.Thanks so much for having me on the program.

The Week According To . . . Dr Niall McCrae

Dr Niall McCrae is back in the hot seat for his regular reviewing spot as we look at a couple of recent articles he has written and he offers his unbridled thoughts on some of the news stories that have caught our attention this week including...- The MPs answers to ten big questions.- Empty polling stations – are we still living in a democracy?- Covid: The destruction of medical ethics .- Andrew Bridgen GB News debate, Spiked and Pfizer.- Brits are dying in their tens of thousands....and we don't really have any idea why.- Justin Welby is 'wrong' to condemn Illegal Migration Bill as 'morally unacceptable'.- Britain’s services exports are booming despite Brexit. Why?- Starbucks sacks trans worker who accused female customer of being transphobic in 'confrontation over being misgendered'- Fears for free speech after journalists’ union refuses to defend gender-critical members
MPs answers to the ten big questions...
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/toeing-the-party-line-mps-answers-to-the-ten-big-questionsDr Niall McCrae is an officer for ‘Covid coercion in the workplace’ for the Workers of England trade union, the only union standing up for workers' rights and freedoms in the UK during these troubled times.From 2010 to 2021 he was a senior lecturer in mental health at King’s College London, and he continues to write on mental health matters.He was also a senior researcher for David Kurten and Peter Whittle on the London Assembly.His publications include several books including ‘Moralitis: a Cultural Virus’ (with Robert Oulds), ‘The Moon and Madness’, ‘Echoes from the Corridors’ (with Peter Nolan) and ‘The Year of the Bat’ (with MLR Smith).He is a regular contributor to Unity News Network, Gateway Pundit, Lockdown Sceptics, The Salisbury Review and The Light.Follow Niall on gab social @Dr_Niall_McCraehttps://www.workersofengland.co.uk/Originally broadcast live 13.5.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Dr. Niall McCrae. Thank you so much for being with us today.
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Always good to be on on a Saturday evening with you, Peter.
What else would you be doing apart from having a one-hour chat with me?Always good fun. So let's play the first one.ChrisDavis33 is first on on GETTR. There you go. No prizes, but good to see you. Anyone else, put your comments and let us know how you're watching, as in where you are in the world.Always good to get an idea. We've got probably a 30%, 30% US, 60% UK and elsewhere. And if you see our nice, do you see the logo? We've just put a half a Stars and Stripes behind our oak and half a Union Jack. So we've tweaked a little bit to represent you, our viewer. But this was a There's a one minute comedy clip that James Wells had put up.I think Steve Kirsch also put it up. So let's play this.
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I regret having gotten the, I really regret having gotten the vaccine.I'm sure it's fine, but I just wish when the state told me to do something, I'd be the sort of person who said no.But it turns out, I'm the sort of person who says, fine, I don't understand, you're telling me it's important, okay, and all they had to do was say, you won't be allowed to go into pubs for like a month, and I was like, put it in me.That's what I'm upset about, is that I had a principle, temporarily.Like, oh, if I was in Nazi Germany, I would have stood up to the regime.I wouldn't stand up to not being able I go to a pub for a month.I would have been like, Anne Frank, she's in that attic.There, I saw her. It doesn't matter what the point of principle was.The point is I would have been a chill.And that, I have to live with that for the rest of my three or four more years before I have a heart attack.Always good to start with a laugh. I think humour is one thing It's probably taken us through the last three years.I don't know about you, but I've certainly enjoyed many of the memes and artists people like Bob Moran, Abi Roberts, I mean tons of people who've helped us all through it.
Oh yes, indeed. And a feature of the anti-lockdown rallies was the positivity and, humour and just humanity, really. They were trying to quash us. They were trying to to oppress us and deprive us of our kind of vitality.And it didn't work. And like you say, humour is one of the most powerful things.
Definitely didn't work.Let's go to the next story. We might have a slight delay in sound, but let's bring it up.I'll read it and then we'll take it from there. And this is an article by Niall himself.And this is the Conservative Women who are regularly are the only voice on this issue.And they've blazed a trail and speaking truth on this when many others wouldn't.And this piece is towing the party line, MPs answers to the 10 big questions.And in this, I'll just read the first few lines. What do our parliamentary representatives really think about climate change, COVID-19, migrant channel crossings and transgenderism?Two months ago, I presented 10 questions for readers to send to their MPs.By the time of writing, 14 MPs had responded with 11 sets of answers.So you'd put a range of questions down and members of the public have taken those and sent them on to their MPs.And the answers have come back. And I, again, the link to this, if you're watching on, certainly on Rumble, the link will be there in the description.We will certainly be reposting this, if my mod team can hear me, on our social medias.But of course you can find it on Niall's Gab account.Neil, tell us a little bit about this, because what were you expecting?And tell us the response that you got back.Boris Johnson got that huge majority in December 2019, big mandate, and he could potentially have done everything that was pledged in the manifesto. Then COVID-19 came along and, well, you know, whatever you believe about COVID, let's just say that that was certainly a disruptor to the whatever program that Boris Johnson was going to carry out. But if you look at his behaviour, you know, once the sort of urgency of COVID, you know, that first wave, once that settled down, Boris Johnson went straight into this build back better mode, didn't he?Which is all about focusing on climate change.And he was allowing all this, he did nothing really to stop the Black Lives Matter, woke wave in summer 2020.And now that leads me to why we did this 10 questions for MPs.Because when you think about it, Peter, and I'm sure your viewers will be well aware of this, is that almost everything that's being done by those who are leading us are not things that we asked for.None of us asked for mass uncontrolled immigration. None of us asked for net zero.None of us asked for, well, I mean, obviously there was plenty of people that were in support of the COVID regime, but that wasn't part of the manifesto.None of us asked for our teachers in schools to be telling children that they can be whatever gender they want, and this transgenderism ideology.So there's all these things going on.The most prominent things going on in our society that none of us have asked for.So I put together a series of 10 questions for constituents to send to their MPs.And we got responses from just a few. It's just not a scientific survey.We don't know how many MPs were sent the questions, but we got responses from Rishi Sunak, no less, and some of his ministers, mostly Tory MPs.And we, I had this article published on Conservative Women two days ago.Since then, I've had two more responses. So it's just added to it a little bit.So there's an updated version going up on new Conservative website on Monday.But the thing is, Peter, that the sample size would sound very small.So 16 MPs, of which only 13 have actually provided a full set of answers to 10 questions.But what we found, you know, I used to teach research methods in university.And with qualitative research, something you teach is saturation point.Saturation point is where there's no point in carrying on interviewing people, because you're getting the same answers.And we very, very quickly reached what we might call saturation point with our responses to these questions.They are all following the narrative.There is hardly any. I mean, one of the respondents was John Redwood, and he was only one that gave any sign of scepticism about things that were going on, and even then only limited.Look, they're all following the narrative, it's like they're in a parallel universe and you know if anyone wants to look at the response to those, answers given by MPs go on the Conservative Women website where there's a couple of hundred comments from people, you know, just saying, if this is who's leading us, then we really are in trouble.And let me just, just as we finish, the questions are, do you believe there is a climate change?Do you believe that COVID was a deadly pandemic? Do you believe that lockdown was necessary?Do you believe COVID vaccines are safe and effective? So I have to even laugh whenever safe and effective is used now. Do you support billions of pounds of military supplies going to Ukraine? Do you regard the tens of thousands of people crossing the English Channel as refugees?Do you believe it's safe for dozens of undocumented male migrants to be housed in our towns or boats?Do you support teaching of transgender ideology to our children?If you do not agree with any of the above, what are you doing to oppose such a policy?And finally, what is a woman? I mean, it's a beautiful range of questions, Niall.I'd encourage everyone, the article there, toeing the party line on conservative women.
Yes, and it's not too late for anyone who's watching tonight, if you want to take those questions and send them to your own GP, MP, sorry. And I'm always willing to update and refresh the results. A couple of interesting things about who answered the questions. So got 16 responses but only 13 actually really answered the questions. Only one of them was female. You know, we have all this much better female representation now, at least in numbers, but the reality is this type of woman who's representing us in Parliament has got little interest in the ordinary wishes of women and girls, for example, to have safe spaces.Their own toilets in a theatre, for example, they don't really care. The type of woman who is in Parliament, they don't care. And I reckon that the question in that survey, what is a woman, that made him think, I'm not going to get into this.Too much for the minefield.
Yeah. Well, let's move on to something a little bit different, which is the election. Is this the election, ProJam?No. Let's pull up the election story. Obviously, we've had local elections, and this one was another very good article from Niall McCrae.A pattern here. You have to check out Niall on The Conservative Woman. It just happened these were the first two stories. But on this, empty polling stations, are we still living in a democracy?And Niall, you were pointing out that in many parts of the country the turnout was 30%.Which meant 70%. And I always kind of used, when I was growing up, thinking, well if people don't vote is up to them, it's their problem. But actually, everyone has to participate in the democratic process. If people don't participate, then it's no longer a democratic process. But tell us about your thoughts on this, that people can find on The Conservative Woman.Yes, well, are we living in a democracy when the vast majority of people don't vote? Now, obviously the rebuttal of that is that everyone can vote, you know, it's up to them and if they don't vote that's their own fault.But the trouble is that increasingly, certainly the last three years, people have woken up more and more to the fact that we're run by a uni-party.It doesn't matter whether you've got a Labour government or a Tory government and if we had a Lib Dem government or a Green Party government, we'd still get the same policies.There might be a slightly different flavour and there might be a slightly different presentation, but it would be basically the same thing that's going on.And what we're seeing increasingly, Peter, is that this isn't just something that applies to national government.Up and down the country, you've got councils introducing 15-minute cities and 20-minute neighbourhoods, low traffic schemes, that sort of thing, and they try and make out as if this is just something they've made up themselves, you know, to like make the air healthier and make the, you know, reduce pollution and so on.They're lying to us.This is all Agenda 2030.Right, or Agenda 21, it's basically the same ideas. This is United Nations, this is a globalist, this is a World Economic Forum. It doesn't matter who you've got representing you in your local council, your city chambers, or in Westminster, or in the devolved assemblies in Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, it doesn't matter, they're all following the same agenda, as they are in all other developed countries. And people have woken up to this and unfortunately the response is not to all get behind some new party that's going to, overturn this establishment. It's very, very hard to do that. I mean there are some people working very hard such as David Kurten of the Heritage Party, Robin Tilbrook of the English Democrats, for example, and Andrew Bridgen joined Lawrence Fox's reclaimed party. But it is extremely difficult. I mean, we saw that with UKIP. Very, very, very difficult to get. You saw it with the Brexit party. They did very well in the last European elections, but they were not going to get anywhere, not get a single MP in the general election that followed soon after.So it's very, very difficult. And so people are responding to this situation by simply not voting at all, or going and spoiling their paper, saying none of the above, or more choice language than that. And I don't blame people. I don't blame people for feeling that it's futile voting. I wish there was a good party that we could get behind that would readily change things, but there just isn't that at the moment. But as I say, I do admire the people who are trying to change that situation.
Can I ask just your thoughts for a minute on that, because I'm the same as you on the side-lines regarding political parties, and I couldn't, I would have difficulty voting at the moment for anyone. And I love what David's done with the Heritage Party. The English Democrats are wonderful in what they're doing.But with Andrew Bridgen speaking at that event I was at today, a name joining reclaim, I'm intrigued by that because he could have stayed as an independent but he's joined a party.Obviously reform were not an option because they've jab, jab, jab.I guess English Democrats could have been an option that's because heritage.But I'm wondering will that, not that that will change the whole landscape of British politics, no.But I think that will be a nudge, quite a big change and what are your thoughts on that?
Yes, I've heard people raising this question, why didn't he stay as an independent? What you've got to try and do is put yourself in the shoes of Andrew Bridgen and, you know, David Kurten and I, who, you know, just mentioned a while ago, we've had many chats. David's been a keen student of cultural Marxism for many years. And, you know, one of the books that David and I often talk about is Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals. And, you know, the people that are in charge now are basically the anti-establishment types of the 60s and 70s. And they're now in charge, they've created a new establishment. And one of the rules for radicals is that if there's somebody kicking up some opposition to what you're doing, then you isolate them, you target them, you really freeze your focus on that person, and you make their life utterly intolerable. And that's exactly what was happening with Andrew Bridgen. Has any man been so disproportionately targeted in the last year or so? I mean, we can think of some other examples as well, such as Tommy Robinson or Julian Assange, but at the moment, it's Andrew Bridgen. And so I don't blame him at all for joining a party, a party that stands for free speech, and that he's now a member of a group. He's got people with him to support him. And I think that's important for the establishment to know, that if they do try and isolate people and persecute them, then there are sanctuaries.And that's what I see the Reclaim party as being, you know, Reclaim has got some quite, you know, genuine, really genuine people like Calvin Robinson involved. I've never been quite sure about Lawrence Fox, but he says a lot of the right things. He's doing a lot of the right things, but Martin Daubney was involved as well. So they've got some good people. And I don't blame Andrew Bridgen at all for taking the decision that he did.
We'll see a play out in British politics.Let's stay on the Conservative Woman, but we are leaving the authorship of Dr. McCrae.Dr. Ahmed Malik, someone who is new onto my scene, and probably new into many people's scenes.He has written this piece for Conservative Woman, COVID, the Destruction of Medical Ethics and Trust in the Medical Profession, Part 1.It is a fascinating read from a doctor, someone who has qualified 25 years ago and he gave some of his story in this.And he talks about, just starts, when it comes to the last three years, there's a lot I do not know. What I do know is that I have many questions.Was the pandemic a plandemic?It certainly felt like it. Did the virus skip from a lab? What exactly is a virus?What's the role of the US Department of Defence?And he delves into this. And I am thankful to doctors like this for putting their thoughts down so openly and honestly in this article and it gives us an insight into their experience and how they're seeing things because many of us do not have a medical background and therefore we look at things through a simple lens.But Niall, it's people like Dr. Malik actually writing pieces like this and opening it up that will really help us the public.Yeah it's very necessary and you know there's some controversy about Dr.Asseem Malhotra the cardiologist you know because he'd been shilling for the the vaccines early on, but I think we have to give people...The opportunity, the potential, to change their mind. And I think that's what Dr. Malhotra has done.Andrew Bridgen has done that. Ahmed Malik goes a lot further, I think, than Asseem Malhotra.He's questioning the whole basis of the pandemic or pseudo-pandemic, as I see it.This article that you're bringing up is a really useful read because what we've seen over the last three years is a departure from medical ethics.And people may be aware of the white rose people that do the stickers that people put up on lampposts.Many of these stickers are about, if you wondered why the people of Germany fell for the Third Reich, now you know, because all the doctors and nurses in 1930s Germany were on board, you know.And how did that happen?And, you know, partly this was about them just keeping their heads down, but they also enjoyed the pedestal that they were being put on as officers of the regime.And Ahmed Malik has stepped away from that and he has reminded us what are the true ethics of medicine.And they are autonomy, justice, first do no harm.And beneficence, as in that's all doing good. And the first one of them, autonomy, was the one that was most controversially ditched.People were coerced into taking these experimental injections.But the other three principles as well, were just simply no longer followed.And I found this very difficult, Peter, because I sat on an NHS Research Ethics Committee for many years.And these principles were really important that you always stuck to them.Didn't matter how much you thought this research proposal was interesting.If they were going to be doing something which in any way threatened any of these principles, then you would reject the application. And that was for research. Well, this is for the whole of health care, the whole health care system has been poisoning people with Midazolam.Forcing people to take injections, closing down services, stopping screening and treatment of people with cancer.The mental health impact has been immense. It's really quite dreadful and this is still going on.In fact, in many ways, it's getting worse, where it's getting harder and harder for people to get face-to-face contact with practitioners of a service, national health service, that they've been paying for in their taxes and that they've always lauded and now they find that they're not welcome that um, access is often denied and this is really um quite appalling and so to have doctors like Ahmed Malik stepping out and saying this is not right we we need to get back to proper medical ethics as soon as possible.Yeah. Let's actually touch on that, the Andrew Bridgen as well.I don't know if I sent it over to Projam, we'll not play this, I just want to bring up the tweet.And this is, Andrew, the great vax debate that GB News talked about, and obviously, GB News under Ofcom. This is the regulatory body, communication regulatory body, so they can't say anything which goes against government propaganda. And this was basically Spiked, which is a publication here in the UK, and Andrew Bridgen. It was Fraser Myers from Spiked.And it was, I watched the 13 minutes of it and it's...I would have had respect for Spiked if they had put across a different position in this, but they were simply mocking, smearing, calling Andrew Bridgen anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist.And it was rolling out the terms the government use. And I know an organization has asked if they have received money from Pfizer, and then Andrew Bridgen has said it'd be interesting to see what happens in that. But I mean, what are your thoughts on this, Niall? When we see organizations which generally are there for free speech, full free speech, and yet you're not allowed to talk about this because it's dangerous to question the government line.
Well, Spiked was my favourite website around 2015 to about 2019. It was actually the first website I wrote for.I met Fraser Myers several times and Brendan O'Neill was my favourite writer. I met him once.I thought these were very, very good people. But, you know, others have said to me, well, wait, just be a little bit cautious with how much you like a website that originated in living Marxism, which was a cultural Marxist organization. And people like Claire Fox, who's now sitting in the House of Lords. And Frank Faridi. You know, these are all people that I've really appreciated over the years. But I think what happened with, and their line on Brexit was very, you know, I thought was very, very good. You know, the way that they defended the working class against the sort of metropolitan elites that was trying to impose and, you know, deny them their, you know, the result of the fair election. But COVID showed that they were not quite what what we, people like me naively thought and they seem to take to lockdown and the COVID vaccine regime like a duck to water. I believe this brought out the, a side of them that, you know, they seem to enjoy this statist coup of the COVID regime.And of course, they've been shilling for the vaccines rather too enthusiastically and knocking anyone who, you know, comes, says anything heretical about vaccine injuries like Andrew Bridgen has done. I think they've lost a lot of trust and I think people are wondering what they're really about and I think we do need to look back to how they originated in living Marxism.They are and probably still are at heart cultural Marxists and I think the editor, you know, people call him Tintin, Tom Slater, I think his name is.Yeah, I think that's where they are. And I think for years that they've been fooling us because they've had things that, you know, I'm sure they genuinely believe that, you know, the working class people are being treated badly by the establishment.I'm sure that they really genuinely were writing on that, they were just pretending that they were on our side on that, but COVID has really badly exposed them.And, you know, they chose to write that hit piece on Andrew Bridgen.Andrew Bridgen wasn't coming out looking to attack them.This was a serious own goal. They've lost loads of followers, loads of subscribers and deservedly so, because, you know, if there's one thing that we've had to learn, it's a hard lesson we've had to learn over the last three years, that some of the institutions, some of the people that we liked, that we respected, we've had to think again about some of that and correspondingly people who perhaps we didn't like, organizations we didn't trust.We thought, well, maybe they had something good after all.It's been a steep learning curve for all of us, I think.Yeah. Who thought it would be shoulder to shoulder with Piers Corbyn. It throws out very strange thoughts.But here's the Daily Mirror. This headline really blew my mind.ProJam, if you can just scroll the headline up a little bit.Brits are dying in their tens of thousands.ProJam, can you scroll it up a little bit? So Brits are, no, we're not going to get, yeah, we are.Brits are dying in their tens of thousands, and we don't really have any idea why.And this is looking at excess deaths between May and December 2020 and talks about 32,000 excess deaths. It's this, yeah again the last three years I never thought I would be reading a headline like this that they are seeing the problem still not connecting the dots but it's getting out there that these excess deaths are there and the question is being asked. It's quite unbelievable they refuse to make the connection but it is a headline that will make people think?
Yes, I think so. So the mainstream media are just not going to make that connection, as you say, you know, that you could read numerous articles like this now, all the papers are now covering it, but they simply will not make any link to the vaccine.But, you know, if you think about, you know, there's always been this large number of people, large, you know, maybe 50% of society throughout the COVID years that's been going along with their, you know, believing that the fundamental narrative that there was a deadly virus and they had to wear masks and take the jabs and that sort of thing, but increasingly sort of questioning that over time.And now that it's, you know, no longer in any way an emergency situation, people are asking even more questions from the, you know, because they feel safe to do that now.So when they read an article like this, even though it doesn't mention the vaccine.People will know, they will know from their own friends and family that there are vaccine injuries.And anyone goes on social media now. I mean, Twitter is just ablaze with stuff about the harm being caused by these mRNA injections.So it'd be quite difficult for people not to make that link themselves, even though the mainstream media aren't making it.And one other thing on the deaths, Peter, is I heard today that the NHS stopped reporting, or NHS England, whoever it is, it stopped reporting deaths from blood clots. And I haven't looked into this properly, but that they stopped reporting this back in 2020. Before the vaccine rollout. So they knew this was coming.
Yeah. Well, they knew if they'd written, read what Pfizer, Moderna were holding back. I don't know if they had access to that, but yeah. Let's move on. We'll try and fly through our last, we'll do four stories. This is immigration. This is Wet Welby. I know it's not his speeding ticket, which is a whole other story. I'll leave the viewers to work that out. But this is the debate in Parliament on the immigration bill and this is the telegraph. Justin Welby is wrong to condemn illegal immigration bill as morally unacceptable. The Archbishop was told he was wrong.Speaking in the Lord's, the most reverent Justin Welby warned it risks damaging Britain's reputation at home and abroad and he failed to take a long-term strategic view in immigration challenges and blah blah blah. You expect this from him but the government are trying to deal with the problem and all Welby can do is criticize him because I guess he's an open border, everyone should come to the UK, but what were your thoughts on Welby?
Well I mentioned cultural Marxism a few moments ago and a strategy of cultural Marxism was a long march through the institutions and of course we can see how almost every major institution in society has been well and truly marched through, not least the Church of England. I sometimes want to ask these people, although I'll never get the chance. And even if I did ask it, I probably wouldn't get a straight answer from them. I'd like to ask Welby...Where would you draw the line? What would be your limit? Because right now, there are pictures of tens of thousands of people in the north of France, who are going to be crossing the Channel and thousands of them are going to come over this summer.This is causing despair, anger. It's causing great economic hardship because these people are costing a hell of a lot of money as well.But it's like the government no longer cares for its own people.The first duty of government is to look after the safety of its own people.And that no longer seems to matter. And Justin Welby doesn't seem to give a moment's thought to these people who he classes as refugees crossing the channel without documents. Some of them will be fleeing justice in their own countries. Some of them will be rapists. Some of them will be paedophiles.Some of them will be murderers. Now, somebody might say to me in response to saying that, how do you know? Well, I don't. But how do you know they're not? Because they're not documented.Yeah and so this is what's being done to British society, and it's not just Britain of course, the same is being done to Ireland.Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is a menace to the British people, as are almost all the leaders of our institutions, most of our politicians, as Michael Jackson says, they don't care about us.
Exactly. Well, none of the bishops in the house care about any of us.Moving on to Brexit, and this is great from The Economist, trying to work out why Britain would be successful.Britain's services exports are booming despite Brexit. Why?And they try and look into this to try and understand why Britain is not doing worse.And Projam, can you just scroll down to the two graphs there?No, we're not going to get the graphs. But it's really interesting that obviously the left wing media want to bash Britain, and they can't because the service industry is booming in Britain despite Brexit. Who would have thought it, Niall?
Yes, well, this is The Economist, so you would think that this is economic experts, but what I've found over the years, Peter, is that economics is not the sort of science of finance at all. It's a social kind of studies field which is heavily populated by people of particular ideological bent who use this kind of, you know, quite sort of serious sounding title of economist to give more value to what they say.But really, they rarely get anything right at all about finance, do they?I mean, the Economist and the Financial Times have been wrong on just about everything.If you look at the inflation problem at the moment, did the Economist and the Financial Times warn you, dear viewers, about that?Did the Economist and the Financial Times warn you about the global financial crisis in 2007, 2008? No, they didn't have a clue it was coming.Because they're not scientists, they're pseudoscientists.They are just social studies, kind of ideological narrative pushers.And of course, Brexit is something that really went against the narrative.Let's finish off on two gender stories. Let me see if we can bring this up. This is,so this is Starbucks Saks trans worker who accused customer of being transphobic then knocked a phone out of person's hands in confrontation after being misgendered.Let me bring, let me actually bring and play the video.The video, give me one second and I will hear it.There, let me see if I can play this.
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I want to leave that. You're rude. Don't ever call me transphobic. Ever. You do not know me. Never. You do not call me transphobic. Ever. I want to leave that.Hi, get out. You are trespassing now. You are trespassing. Get out.Apparently, we said something that sounds phobic.You actually, actually, you actually.You want some, give me the phone. You want some, give me the phone.Let go of me, give me the phone. I've got plenty of witnesses, give me the phone. I said, let go.And it more or less finishes there. The funny thing is that, obviously, after that went viral, that the individual got sacked for that.But it's this sense of entitlement, Niall, and I guess we have a whole education system where people are going through it and told that they shouldn't be offended.And if they're offended, it's hate.And obviously, whenever you go and buy your coffee, if the person is offended by, I don't know, by a look or a walk or whatever it is.But I guess we'll be seeing more and more of this in our society.Yeah, and my advice to people is, if you get into a situation like that lady got into, don't engage, just walk away.Because that person, however unreasonable they are, they have got the law behind them, the Equality Act, and the whole narrative is in their favour.And so in this case, you know, this person was filmed and found out and the company Starbucks had little option but to sack this person.You know, whatever happened to the customer is always right?But no, it's not worth. And this is why I'd say there's one sort of protest that I would not go to, and that's the drag queen, trans child grooming events, which I think are absolutely abhorrent, but I will not go to a protest because you'll get all these shrill socialist worker types and the police will be on their side and anything you say, potentially you could be apprehended for by the police.So I think just don't engage. You can never be forced to use somebody's pronouns, they try and force you to use their pronouns. No, you can't be forced to use that. Just walk away.Now, it's not every situation, you can just walk away. But just don't get into a confrontation.But also don't feel that you have to accommodate some of this madness because it is madness.I'd say that as a mental health practitioner, what's going on now with this transgenderism is lunacy. But I think that there's a danger in tackling it in a situation like this.Best if possible to just walk away.Yeah, yeah. We'll finish off on the same topic but on freedom of speech, journalistic expression.This is a story in the Telegraph on the National Union of Journalists, who are of course the bastions of free speech and journalism.Fears for free speech after journalist union refuses refuses to defend gender-critical members and it's that Britain's leading journalistic union has rejected calls to defend members who cover trans issues and gender-critical beliefs. The National Union of Journalists was called upon at a meeting to issue a statement supporting members who covered the debate on sex and gender and to condemn abuse that they might receive for discussing gender. A gender-critical viewpoint is just a normal gender, that's just how it is. But they refuse to do it. And I guess it's, we've seen the capitulation of our media anyway over the last three years, but there is an absolute, as you said, I think a fear of the trans lobby. But again, you do expect a union to come and back you. Maybe this is why the Workers' England Union are needed so much. So I'll leave that to you, Niall.
Yes, so certainly journalists if you have any concerns about the various woke agendas that are going on that you may profoundly disagree with, this is a clear message from the National Union of Journalists. They are not going to stand up for you. So yes, come and join the Workers of England. There's nothing to stop you joining an independent union that isn't tied to the establishment and to the official narratives like the NUJ is.Alongside that story, Peter, there's a school teacher who's been dismissed for refusing to use a pupil's transgender pronoun.So we really are getting into sort of Maoist cultural revolution kind of atmosphere now.And I reckon that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.But my hope is that this woke onslaught will eat itself.You know, that they'll cause so many schisms and such conflict with among themselves that they will, that we can just sort of, you know, enjoy the show and get the popcorn, but I think that the heat is going to be turned up quite a lot before we get to the point where we can see it coming to an end.It will come to an end, just like Mao's cultural revolution came to an end in China, but they had something like 12 years of that, and a lot of people died, a lot of people were persecuted during that time and what we've got now is persecution, you know, when people are hounded out of their jobs, prevented from getting any other work, they are, you know, portrayed on the media as being some, you know, diabolical person who everyone has to stay away from.I mean this is like the witch hunt hysteria of the 16th, 17th centuries.Yeah, no, it really is. Well, I think on that, we will finish up.The viewers can obviously, our listeners can find Neil, his handle is there @Dr_Neil_McRae, with two underscores.So it is there on Gab.Do go and make use of Gab, as do we. We post all the videos on Gab.So it is a wonderful social media platform and was free before Musk ever thought of having freedom, supposedly.We'll not even get into that. But Dr. Niall McCrae, thank you as always for joining us.
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be on. And sorry about the glitches earlier, but we got there in the end.
We always get there at the end, so no problem at all. But I wish our viewers and listeners a wonderful rest of your Saturday, rest of your weekend, whatever you're doing. Have a wonderful time on Sunday. Take some time off your normal work schedule. I say that to me as well as I say to you and on Monday we'll be back with you with Dr Peter McCullough will be with us on Monday evening so tune in for that. And on that, have a wonderful evening and we'll see you Monday.