Hearts of Oak Podcast

Father Calvin Robinson - How the Cancer of Liberalism Has Infected the Church

The Reverend Calvin Robinson is a popular British political advisor, presenter and commentator.Fr Robinson is Minister-in-Charge of Christ Church in London and has been published widely in the media, including GB News, Talk radio, the Guardian, the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, the Spectator, and the Daily Express among others.He is a former assistant principal and has consulted for the Department for Education, supporting school leaders across the South East.Born and bred in the East Midlands, England, Calvin is on a crusade to reclaim our country from the woke using truth and common sense while standing up for family, conservative, Christian and British values.Follow and support Father Calvin....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/calvinrobinsonTwitter: https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson?s=20&t=46rqU2zEtSYZDNs2huAI7ATelegram: https://t.me/calvinrobinsonSubstack: https://calvinrobinson.substack.com/Website: https://www.calvinrobinson.com/
 
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinOriginally broadcast live 9.1.23

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Ben Harnwell, International Editor of 'Bannon’s War Room' and host of 'War Room: Rome' returns to Hearts of Oak to give us his analysis of the past weeks doom and gloom in the news, articles and from his social media, and there is plenty to get stuck into including... - The funeral of Pope Benedict XVI. - Vote for House Majority leader in Congress, McCarthy finally becomes speaker after 15th ballot.- Matt Gaetz voting for President Donald J. Trump is proof 2023 is going to be a year of change and standing up to the left. - Broken Britain: Paramedics told to drop patients at A&E even if no beds are available.- Critics say a new media law signed by Zelensky could restrict press freedom in Ukraine.- Biden administration announces nearly $4B in new military aid for Ukraine.- RFK Jr: "Your chance of dying of a heart attack from that vaccine, according to their own studies, is 500% greater than if you're unvaccinated"- Covid in China: Wave of celebrity deaths sparks doubt over actual toll.- Andrew Tate and his arrest as part of rape and human trafficking probe in Romania.In the two years between December 2006 and December 2008, Benjamin Harnwell was engaged in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity, consulting widely with various experts around the world. This work was drawn to a conclusion on 8 December 2008, when (with Gay Mitchell MEP) he founded the European Parliament’s Working Group on Human Dignity (of which he remains Honorary Secretary); and on the same date, simultaneously established (with Nirj Deva MEP) the Dignitatis Humanae Institute (of which he is Director).The Working Group was publicly launched on 25 March 2009 by European Parliament Speaker Dr. Hans-Gert Pöttering MEP (now a Patron of the Dignitatis Humanae Institute). The DHI has since been engaged in launching parallel parliamentary working groups on human dignity in various legislatures around the world, all based on the principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity.Ben was the Chief of Staff to Nirj Deva MEP until the end of 2010, since which point he is now based permanently in Rome, directing the development of the DHI. When involved in politics, he was an active member of the British Conservative Party for over 15 years. Benjamin identifies himself philosophically as an Austro-libertarian, co-founding (with Vincent de Roeck) the European Parliament’s Mises Circle, which exists to promote greater recognition of the Austrian School of Economics; he also co-founded the international Right Approach Group (with Patrick Barron), to explore free-market solutions to contemporary problems.In 2002 and 2004, Ben was seconded to Colombo as Special Advisor to Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.H.E. Mons. Sánchez Sorondo, Bishop Chancellor of the Pontifical Academies of Science and Social Sciences, appointed Ben External Counsellor in 2016.Since February 2018 Harnwell, as director of the DHI, is also the director of the Abbey of Trisulti, founded in AD 1204 and National Monument of Italy since 1873.From October 2021 to date Ben serves as international editor at “Steve Bannon’s War Room” and host of "War Room: Rome" on the number 1 ranked US political podcast.Join Ben for his daily analysis on “Steve Bannon’s War Room” and on Monday-Thursday hosting 'War Room: Rome' live on GETTR and Rumble https://warroom.org/Follow Ben on.....GETTR https://gettr.com/user/harnwellTWITTER https://twitter.com/ben_harnwell?s=20&t=lyY0pPen6Hs7_y2SxnAX4gOriginally broadcast live 7.1.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms.... https://heartsofoak.org/Please like, subscribe & share!Links to stories discussed.... Funeral of Pope Benedict XVI https://gettr.com/post/p23zxwwbc78Vote for House Majority leader in Congress https://gettr.com/post/p245q0863a12023 is going to be a year of changehttps://twitter.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1611491771044823042?s=20&t=jNVRib7kFukecHFTtjTD4gNHS Paramedics https://archive.ph/2023.01.04-080011/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drop-patients-at-a-e-even-if-no-beds-paramedics-told-3tn0t7wx2Ukrainehttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/world/europe/zelensky-journalism-law-free-speech.htmlBiden Ukrainehttps://thehill.com/policy/international/3802714-biden-administration-announces-nearly-4b-in-new-military-aid-for-ukraine/Covid RFK Jrhttps://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1610179412976193537?s=20&t=nCFT34fgSdvnV1qs5Nwi5gChina Covidhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/china-covid-wave-of-celebrity-deaths-sparks-concern-over-actual-death-tollAndrew Tatehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11585701/Why-self-declared-trillionaire-Andrew-Tate-living-600-000-compound-Romania.html

Matt Le Tissier - From Football Legend to Covid Pundit

Matt Le Tissier is a bona fide football legend, often described as one of the most naturally talented players of his time, the man that south coast residents call ‘Le God’ and one of the most famous soccer stars of the 1990's.Matt joined Southampton FC on the YTS scheme in 1985, signed professional forms with them the following year at 16 years of age and for the next 16 years he put loyalty above riches and remained at the club.A hero to his fans for his creativity, he was the first midfielder to score 100 goals in the Premier League and Matt's penalty taking abilities were renowned, converting 47 out of 48 from the spot. Then for 15 years he was on our TV screens every week on Sky Sports giving his commentary on the Premier League football matches. This all came to a screeching halt when he tweeted his thoughts on the Ukraine/Russia conflict and also retweeted a post that questioned the government line on Covid. These actions were apparently outside the accepted new-speak and for these crimes he was sacked. Matt joins Hearts of Oak to talk about his life as a footballer and as a pundit on TV before we move onto how cancel culture came for him.We discuss how he has embraced his new life as a Covid pundit and as a high profile voice that stands up for freedom of speech, freedom of thought and against creeping government control and increasing tyranny.You can catch Matt on GETTR every Monday at 8pm for 'The Flip Side', bringing fantastic interviews with high profile guests.Follow and support Matt.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/mattletiss7TWITTER: https://twitter.com/mattletiss7?s=20&t=ls0cW_a6pUFdItFZENqmHQInterview recorded 3.1.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more https://heartsofoak.org/connect/

Peter Mcilvenna - Why I Am Optimistic about 2023

We have had three absolutely crazy years, so what is in store for us in 2023? While I don't have a crystal ball to see exactly what we face, I think we all have an idea of the issues that lie ahead. Despite the many uncertainties, my glass remains half full. I am optimistic as I look ahead, so join me this episode for some reasons to be cheerful and find out why I am upbeat as we all take our first tentative steps into the new year.Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords. He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam". He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years. Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives. Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.Originally broadcast live 2.1.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more https://heartsofoak.org/connect/

Remembering Jeff Wyatt - The Boldest and Most Outspoken Grassroots Leader During the Plandemic

Jeffrey Mark Wyatt 1964-2022As we end 2022 it is important to recognise those who have spoken boldly against the Covid Tyranny and a voice that was very loud but is now silent was Jeff Wyatt. I knew Jeff from back in the UKIP days and he was instrumental in the forming of 'Integrity' which was an effort to move UKIP onto a free speech populist agenda and Jeff was there at the beginning of Hearts of Oak. We have put together a selection of Jeff Wyatt clips from the Hearts of Oak Launch, 'All Girls Matter' demonstration on Parliament Square, live interviews and from outside courts etc. Sit back and enjoy and be inspired by Jeff.Clips taken from...Hearts of Oak Launch 28th February 2020All Girls Matter Demo Parliament Square August 2020Livestream 19th October 2020Westminster Magistrates Court 23rd October 2020Westminster Magistrates Court 8th February 2021Hearts of Oak 1st Birthday 25th February 2021Broadcast 31.12.22
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more https://heartsofoak.org/connect/

Dr David Cartland - Healthcare for Patients, Not Big Pharma

As we bid adieu to 2022, our final guest interview of the year is with Dr David Cartland. With all that has happened over the past twelve months, we wanted a medical doctor to join us to look back at what we have all faced and what might be in store for us in the new year. Dr Cartland has been disciplined and punished for simply asking questions, the 'scamdemic' seemed to place all power with huge powerful global pharmaceutical companies who suddenly (we were told) placed our wellbeing above their desire to make profits for their shareholders. Many of us saw through this charade but the establishment smeared and punished anyone who questioned this new found sense of public duty that had appeared overnight. Care was replaced by greed. It is vital that we regain healthcare for patients and not for the pockets of Big Pharma.Dr David Cartland (MBChB MRCGP) is a fully qualified doctor and GP.He is also one of the most censored professionals in the UK.Dr Cartland has a 1st class degree in Biomedical science including a year of specialist immunology and microbiology/virology training that included statistical analysis, and it is this area of expertise that has had particular relevance and value in allowing him to professionally assess the mass of government, NHS, MHRA, pharmaceutical and ONS data on Covid-19 and Covid-19 Vaccine Adverse Reactions, which has been published since the declaration of the ‘pandemic’ in UK.
Between his two degrees David worked for a year in the angiogenesis research group at the University of Birmingham and he is a published author in angiogenesis research.At his graduation he recited the Hippocratic oath.Part of this powerful oath is a vow.A vow to ‘Primum non nocere’- first do no harm.After years of training and sacrifice, followed by many happy years in a professional practice as a highly respected doctor, in February 2022 David took the difficult decision to resign as a GP.
Follow and support Dr Cartland at the following links....
WEB: https://drcartland.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/DrCartlandTWITTER: https://twitter.com/dr_cartland?s=20&t=9VpXHxBpeYKd-OXFqx0aiQTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@drdavidcartlandDONATE: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/drcartland
PEOPLES HEALTH ALLIANCE: https://the-pha.org/ WORLD COUNCIL FOR HEALTH: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/ DOCTORS FOR PATIENTS UK: https://doctorsforpatientsuk.com/Dr Cartland’s original testimony titled ‘Breaking the Silence’ can be read here....https://metatron.substack.com/p/breaking-the-silenceOriginally broadcast live 29.12.22To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more https://heartsofoak.org/connect/
 

Kamal Fahmi - Time to End Apostasy and Blasphemy Laws to Free Muslims

As we step into 2023, did you know that currently 1.3 billion Muslims do not have the freedom to choose or change their religion? Apostasy forces people to remain in Islam and blasphemy laws punish those who disagree or dare to critique it. Kamal Fahmi is our guest this episode and he founded 'Set My People Free' in 2007, a network of individuals, churches and organizations working for the freedom of converts from Islam to live and practice their new faith, to experience equality and justice in their home countries without fear of reprisals. It is hard to believe that the punishment for leaving Islam is death in 8 countries, so join us as Kamal gives the story of 'Set My People Free' and of the ongoing fight to legalise apostasy and blasphemy.Kamal Fahmi is the founder of 'Set My People Free', this organisation seeks to give Muslim people the freedom to change their faith, to live out and practice their new belief, and to experience freedom, justice and equality in their homeland as non-Muslims.'Set My People Free' is a nonviolent movement seeking freedom, justice and equality for converts, reconciliation – not victory, and is committed to the life and teaching of Jesus Christ.Their goal is freedom for Muslim people to be able.....To change their religion or beliefTo worship and practice their new faithTo raise their children in their new faithTo marry (for women from a Muslim background to marry non-Muslim men)To have freedom, justice and equality. To abolish the crime of apostasy by removal of...Punishment of death for the act of apostasyPunishment of confiscation of the wealth of the convertNullifying his or her marriagePunishment of disqualifying him/her of the right of the custody of his/her childrenPunishment of depriving the apostate from his/her right of their inheritancePunishment of discipline (alta'zir)WEBSITE: https://freedom2worship.org/Interview recorded 15.12.22
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstinTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more https://heartsofoak.org/connect/TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
(Hearts of Oak)And good evening, Hearts of Oak. Thank you so much for tuning in on another interview. And it is anabsolute pleasure to have a gentleman I met, I think in Poland, maybe two months ago at the OSCE, and that's Kamal Fahmi. Kamal, thank you so much for your time today.
(Kamal Fahmi)Yeah, I'm happy really to join you in this interview. It is a beautiful opportunity.
(HoO)Great to have you. And the issues we're going to talk about are not ones that we offer. We discuss Islam indifferent ways, but to focus on apostasy and blasphemy we haven't done.So I'm looking forward to learning from you. And on the screen people can see the website,freedomtoworship.org , our viewers and listeners will find a lot of information about freedoms, looking at theMuslim world, giving stories, news items, articles. There's a whole wealth of information. I'd encourage our viewers and listeners to make use of that.But Kamal, you're the founder of Set My People Free, which is an international NGO focused on theabolition of apostasy and also blasphemy laws around the world. Maybe you can take a few moments and introduce yourself before we get onto the reason you set up Set My People Free, why it's needed. But first, if I can ask you to introduce yourself to our viewers.
(KF)My name is Kamal Fahmi. Originally, I'm from Sudan.And for the last 50 years, I was evolving in missions, mostly in the Middle East.In... I was born in Sudan and then I have lived most of my life in Sudan. Started the ministry mainly toreach out to people and share the gospel with them and then later I worked in the Middle East area all the way from Bahrain to Morocco and around 2008 I was challenged by the problems people who leave Islamface especially converts from Islam to Christianity I met a couple in Yemen and they were three generationChristian but they cannot live as Christian in their own country and of course in Yemen it is death sentence for leaving Islam and so they have to be kind of underground and I was approached by the father and heasked me for help because he wanted to convince his son to to study Islam in school because without that they were getting into trouble and also he will not be able to pass his school. And so he wanted me to talk with him and to see if I can encourage him to do that.And I thought maybe there is no problem, we had people who did that in Sudan.But then when I spoke with him, I saw the Son the next day, I was touched by the Son as he was a teenager,very smart, very handsome. And I thought I would not like my daughter to go through this. To be forced to say the Shahadah, to fast and to pray. And his father is a Christian. He himself is a Christian. And the father hasbecome a Christian when he was 19 and the grandfather was a Christian before the father and they cannot live as Christians in their own country. This kind of hit me, we  are living in 2008 and they have left Islam,became Christians but they cannot live and exist as Christians in Yemen and and they should face a deathsentence by the law.And also on the side of the mother, the mother herself was a believer. Her grandfather had a problemwith his knee. Somebody prayed for him.He was healed. He also became a Christian. So these three generations, they are not able to live as Christians.And somehow I said, how could this be in the 20th century? that people cannot change their belief and facethis kind of challenge. And then in my mind.I started to think of different situations. When I went to Sana'a, the capital, I met somebody who wasalso in prison for about seven months or six months, who was a convert and he was arrested and he was in prison.He was not sentenced to death, but he was under a lot of threats. And then I saw the Mahdi Dibaj in Iran,who was also arrested just after the Islamic Revolution. He was a convert from Islam to Christianity. And he was put in jail for 10 years and he was sentenced to death, but of course they didn't apply the sentence and after a lot of international pressure he was released.And while he was in prison he said 'im not only willing to suffer for Christ, but I am willing to die.'And when he was released after 10 years, the guy who helped him to be released, got killed after two weeks,who was the pastor of the Pentecostal Church.And then later, the people said to Mahdi Dibaj, leave Iran because you will face death.But he said, I want to serve my own people, I want to share with them about my belief.And he was the head of the Bible Society. His only problem was that he was a convert from Islam toChristianity.Six months later, he was kidnapped. And a friend of mine here in Sweden, an Iranian believer said theyfound him cut to pieces in a plastic bag in a park.And so this started to hit me hard as I saw, as I looked at the situation.I realized there is death sentence in 12 countries, Islamic countries. They have death sentence for people wholeave Islam.And then in another 12 countries, you don't have the freedom to really leave Islam. It is a crime if youleave, you face torture, you face imprisonment.And it's not for all these people who converse, but even for atheists, who just leave Islam, they'll considerapostate.So that aged me, I felt the call that these laws should be abolished.Because apostasy is against article 18, who is very clearly say that it's freedom.and belief, which include freedom of religion, freedom to change belief, freedom to practice the beliefyou have as an individual, as a group, and also to be able to share what you believe with others. And apostasy does not give the right for an ex- Muslim to exist. You cannot really exist in an Islamic state. They face, as I said, in 12 countries, death sentence.Because the religion is written in the identity card, you cannot really change. So your children are automatically Muslims. If you are a woman who has a Muslim background, you are automatically also Muslim.And you cannot marry a non-Muslim, but also you face harassment and legally you cannot exist.You don't have the right to exist even in countries like Jordan, Egypt, Syria and also even in Morocco you face difficulty. So that was a problem. And then of course blasphemy is another bigger issue as if you say for example I don't believe inMuhammad as a prophet of God you are considered a blasphemer and this is ridiculous because if I believe in Muhammad then I am a Muslim but I am not to believe in him as a prophet. I don't believe in him as a prophet. So even just questioning the different laws of Sharia, you are considered blasphemer.
And a good example of that is theGovernor of Jakarta, who was, his name was Foke, and he was a governor for four years.When he was going to be elected for a second term, the Islamist in Indonesia said he cannot be elected againbecause a non-Muslim cannot rule over Muslims.There was a Hadith like that. And Hadith is a law in Islam. For example, the prayer, the five prayers, are not actually in the Quran, but it is in the Hadith.And they practice the five prayers. And that Hadith was saying that a non-Muslim cannot rule over aMuslim. and Foke the governor said this is a weak hadith.Saying that it is a weak hadith was considered a blasphemy. And he was sentenced to imprisonment. I don'tremember the exact number of years now but I think it was between two and five years.And he wanted to appeal, and people said to him, better not appeal because they want to execute you for this.They want to punish you by death. So he pulled back, he spent the time in prison and he was released.So from this, after he spent the sentence, and you can check this in the internet, I mean.And so from this, from sentencing this guy to prison, because saying the Hadith is weak,we said that a non-Muslim cannot rule over or rule over a Muslim was condemned for that.You know then that Islam is not really believing in democracy because there is discrimination against non-Muslims. They cannot rule over a Muslim. And the second thing is that it is blasphemy and itcan be punishable to the extent of death, fortunately, because they are a little bit more moderate. You aresentenced to imprisonment.
(HoO)Wow. Tell us more about those laws because people think that maybe in some countries like the Gulf states,you have more freedom. There are lots of those in the West that have gone to Dubai and UAE, obviously the World Cup at the moment is in Qatar, and they've tried to brand themselves as very open for everyone, but yet in Qatar, the death penalty is there for apostasy.Countries are are not free and they are all based on Sharia law, Islamic law. Tell us about, because most people in the West find it difficult to even understand countries that are based simply on religious texts and don't bring any other aspect in. So can you explain that, the way Islamic law is overall everything?
(KF)Right. It is the Islamic law is over the Constitution actually. They have this Kyro Declaration and it speaksabout freedom. They try to put all the articles which is the Universal Declaration of Human Right, but then at the end they say everything has to agree with Sharia. So it actually modifies what he said about freedom and so on but yeah this is a big problem, I have a map, you can actually look at the map in in our website where we put the countries it is in our first homepage and there is a they were about 13 countries which had descended we are thankful that Sudan had to repealthe death sentence two years ago but the problem now with the coup which happened last year there is apossibility that again as the Islamists took over again they go back to the same thing but the constitution was changed and then it was repealed.And that was a great work of our Minister of Justice at that time, who is not anymore, NasreldinAbdelbariBut the rest, there is still a number of countries which have death sentence, in their constitution.I mean, we have for example Mauritania, they have this sentence. And there is a fellow who was accused ofapostasy and blasphemy, mainly because he was against slavery in Mauritania. And he wrote a short article which condemned slavery and said that Sharia condones slavery. So he was accused of apostasy for that article. He was in prison for five years in solitary confinement. He was not allowed to take showers because they said he's akaffir, he's an infidel and they wanted to sentence him to death he said close to 1 million he said this is aquite a large number of people came out.asking his for his death this guy was released after a lot of pressure he is now living in France and his name is Cheikh Ould Mkhaitir. So this is serious. Maybe they don't kill everyone right away.But the person, the convert is under threat the whole time. And the problem is not only the 12 countries wehave in red in the map, people face danger, but actually where the law does not exist, the community does take on and apply the laws.So you have these, we call it honour crimes. They are not in any way honour. And people get killed living inthe white areas, which we say that the laws give freedom for people to change. I mean, you can go and see a list of number of cases or victims who didn't survive.They were killed like the in 2017 there was a Afghani woman killed in Germany because sheleft Islam and the guy who killed her they said he's crazy but it is applying the apostasy law even inthe white areas but then you continue to see the red it is as you said Qatar as Satanfor leaving Islam. I mean, you are free if you are a non-Muslim to become a Muslim, but for a Muslim toleave, then it is a crime.It is in Yemen, it is in Somalia, it is in Iran, and it is in Pakistan for blasphemy, and it is also inMaldive Islands, it is in Brunei.But then you have other countries, It used to be United Arab Emirates, but we have discovered just at thebeginning of this year they have abolished it but we are trying to find out if it is just real or it is just said that it has been done but we have checked with some people as they say they did that just this year the death sentence but we need more confirmation and to see that freedom for people to really exist because many times they don't want them to come out ofof the closet. They want them to be quiet and many times they will prefer if they leave the country.But these are the countries which we still have it, the ones I mentioned now. Even Kuwait has it. This I missed it when I said the other countries and of course as I said North Sudan officially has abolished it two years ago but of course still the community puts a lot of pressure. At this point there was one convert was in jail not so long ago, the last few months,mainly because we have now a coup of Islamists who are ruling the country.But the laws have been changed already two years ago and so I hope they will not go back again to death sentence. Then you have orange countries in the map and and these are places like Egypt, I missed one country which is actually applying the death sentence now is actually Libya because there's a guy by the name of Bia has been in prison now over one month they want him to repent to release him, this is country number 10 here but he he's still in jail.And they want to execute him, he's holding to his faith, he's a convert to Christianity And it is verysad. It is not in international media. If one lady was stopped from wearing a hijab somewhere, the media areso loud and turning the world upside down, and here somebody is sentenced to death. He's still in jail, mainly because he converted from Islam to Christianity. But nobody is talking about it. It is not out in the news. It is not news at all.
(HoO)Well that's why with the World Cup happening in Qatar and I thought it would be the last place I would wantto go to watch any sporting event. But there were discussions on, oh there'sno alcohol and complaints about that. There were discussions on LGBT rights and freedoms there, but zeroconversation on that the law says you can die if you want to leave Islam.And I was frustrated watching some of the media who should know better and should have used theopportunity to talk about that injustice. But as you said, there is silence on it.
(KF)Complete silence. They don't bring it up. And it is very sad. And I mean, it is quite serious. I was sitting inwith a group the other day and I said there should be sanction against these countries which apply death sentence for leaving Islam.There should be freedom to believe or not to believe but they said we should not use the hammer. But I meanthis is a lot of lives of people are at stake. There is lack of freedom completely. Freedom of thought and consciousness is trampled on. And the problem it is moving even towards the West, where the basis of  democracy is freedom of expression. And blasphemy, law quench freedom of expression. So you cannot say I don't believe in Muhammad, it is it is considered an insult. Or if you I don't believe in the Sharia which cuts hands off people. So this is ridiculous and I mean people are free. I mean God created us free. He gave us the choice and I mean even Jesus himself said ifyou want to go to hell, go to hell. The road is wide and many people are going but if you want life there isanother way. So it is freedom I feel is very crucial and especially freedom of expression. We need to protectit because it is the basis for democracy and without freedom of expression there is no accountability. So analytical thinking, critical thinking is very important and crucial to talk about things, discuss things and have youropinion. The problem is we are going to a time when there is only one narrative. And this is not really theWest we were thinking about or we admire where there is freedom of thought, conscious and belief and then freedom of expression and opinion. Today you cannot have your own opinion, everyone has an opinion and so that is a problem. Blasphemy law actually strips the individual from the freedom of expression. There is a very good book actually called Silence, written by Paul Marshall and Nina Shay. And they said how apostasy and blasphemy courts are silencing or taking away freedom of expression. And they have any documented cases all over the world, which is happening because of these two laws. And so if we continue, of course it is in Saudi Arabia and you have examples of people who are in prison,journalists like Raif Badawi and Yemen people are being imprisoned and killed. There was a guy who was atthe age of 16 and they chopped his head, they shot him mainly because they accused him of of being an apostate and the young fellow he wrote in his fair book he said to them you accused me of apostasy you see God in the graveyard, I see God in the roses and you can look for this. His name is Omar (Mohammad Bataweel). I cannot remember his second name, but his Facebook is still there and he was at the age of 16 and he was killed in Aden. And you will find him in our booklet, victims of apostasy and blasphemy law. We have a small booklet and we have the link for it in our website. Youcan go there and see some of the victims. And it is sad to see the number of the victims. There was a small kid, also the age of 14, he was selling coffee in Syria during the ISIS attacks and so on. The jihadists came to him, he was selling coffee to help his family, they came to him, they said, give us coffee free.He refused to give them coffee free.And he said, if even the prophet come down, I will not give you coffee free. And this is a saying, which they normally say in Syria.When the jihadists took him and shot him, accusing him of blasphemy.So look at our booklet, victims of apostasy and blasphemy laws, you will see how this law is impacting lives of many individuals. Some lost their lives, some survived, but they went through trauma for this.We need to really stand together to see these laws abolished.
(HoO)I want to bring up the website again, and that's what people will find. That's the bookKamal was talking about, Victims of Apostasy and Blasphemy, Laws and Islam, and then further down that'sthe map we were looking at. So everything is on the front page of freedomtoworship.org.So please do go and make use of it. Kamau, can I ask you about you taking this message out,I obviously met you at the OSCE conference, an intergovernmental conference, looking at humanrights, looking at the political angle.You've been there a number of times. Do you want to let us know what you raise and the response you getevery time you've been there?
(KF)I think we are in a kind of a battle for heart and minds. I think most of the people have, they didn't notice,and it was an eye-opener to many.And I think there is more people today are aware of the problem. The only thing is, and of course therehave been moves to try to stop it.I mean, they agree, most of the people I speak with agree this is a problem.The only thing, we are not doing anything about it.It is not out in the mainstream media. It is not an issue which is people are trying to see change.They are trying to use a carrot instead of putting pressure to see this issue change.I'm thankful that they are putting some, at this point, there is a bigger change towards protecting thefreedom of expression. People realize more and more the problem.But I think they have to take a strong step to see this stopped. I feel we are in a better situation than whenwe started, but I still think we have a long way. When there was a problem of apartheid in South Africa, the whole world stood against that and worked for equality.Now here we have even a worse situation where you are not allowed to even exist as a formerMuslim. You are not allowed to exist. And you have in front of you 12 countries where you have deathsentence.We need to take bold steps to put pressure so Article 18 and 19 in the Universal Declaration of Human Rightsbe applied.Because without taking away these laws, you will still have problem with the issue of jihadists, withthe issue of terrorists, because here they want to enforce the application of these laws.But we need to stand and say enough is enough with this.This has to stop. We have the right to ask for the application of Article 18 and 19.So there has not been strong steps to see this stop. You see it with what happened with Charlie Hebdo andother journalists.I'm very thankful that the fresh government showed what the caricatures and so on. But I think we need more steps to put pressure and say what is right is right, what is wrong is wrong.And really stand behind the freedom of thought and conscious and belief and freedom to live, freedom not tobelieve, freedom of expression and opinion. And I think we need to take more strong steps saying this is wrong. Lately there were 25 countries which have signed a letter condemning apostasy and blasphemy law. And that was through the ministerial for religious freedom and this was done like three years ago.Of Trump when Brownback was the ambassador for the religious freedom. And lately Australia and are heading, spearheading with Holland, a campaign to end killing for religion.And which is mainly working to abolish apostasy and blasphemy law.So there is steps like this, but I think we need to take more steps to sanction the countries which apply it.Because without sanctioning it and condemning it openly, this will continue.And this impact lives of many people. I mean, you see what happened to Salman Rushdie now in New York.And this is again application of blasphemy law. And you cannot kill somebody for the way he thinks or fornot believing. And many ex-Muslims are facing these threatsworldwide. They are under protected by the police. Even here in Sweden, they are protected because of fearof people killing them. And so, but we have to stand together and sayenough, enough with this and this has to be stopped. I mean there is no serious steps which has been taken tocondemn this issue, condemn the issue of apostasy and blasphemy law, but I think people are more aware of it.Trying to do some steps, but as I said before, they want to use more, this using a carrot instead ofsaying this is wrong and this has to be changed and there must be somepressure applied, for the sake of people who suffer under this.
(HoO)But I, I also think it's, you look at the laws and you're talking about the legislation in Muslim countries, butalso you refer to the freedoms in the West and we think people are free to choose and change their religion.But I've talked to a number of converts from Islam to Christianity and they have to be extremely careful.They have been attacked verbally, they've been attacked physically. And I think, well, this is happening inEngland, which supposedly has freedom, but you realize that same understanding, that same belief systemthat restricts freedoms in Islamic Countries still is within Islamic communities here in the UK and it seems to be often the law of Islam is the one that reigns and not always the law of the land in those communities.
(KF)This is very true because we have a friend here who is a convert. that person had to be lucky because thatperson could not have passed, dot their degree in their studies for Islam inside Europe, if they knew their standards, that they are converts.They had to do it really very, very low key. That is in Sweden. And many actually under protection. And so you are right.You are right. They face it even here. But I think we need to condemn it more openly and say enough with it.And that really to work hard to punish any perpetrators or some people who does it. I mean, even likeNigeria, they have death sentence in the North.And now there has been a lot of attack against non-Muslims within Nigeria.And nobody is speaking against what is happening there. It is the main cause of it is again apostasy andblasphemy law and they are putting pressure on non-muslims to Christians especially. I mean blowing churches, attackingtaking their land and all these are initiated by these laws and again there is no international condemnation ofthis. They use other reasons to say this is happening. And I mean, it is a problem.And even just now, this time, even in Sudan, there is a man who has been a convert to Christianity, who is apastor in the church and God has been using him to heal people.He healed some of his family, so other other Muslim flocked to the church to get healing, and God hasbeen healing them. And then this guy was arrested and they accused him of being a witch.And mainly because they said he's a Christian witch, and he was imprisoned. Unfortunately, the laws because now are more free. There was a court case, he was released, but again he's under threats now by some of the Islamist communityfor what he is doing and I mean he has not done anything bad and mainly because he is a convert andbecause somehow lives of people have been changed, people have been flocking there becausethey saw God doing something and that has made these people more open towards Christianity which madethe community upset. And so even as you said before when... so we needwe need to put pressure, these laws to be applied and that to stand together to express the importance offreedom of expression and the right to say I don't believe in Muhammad as a prophet of God. Because I mean there is no force. You should have the freedom to believe or not to believe and which is the Creator has given this us this freedom and we have to have it and I think the freedom of choice is very key in democracy if you don't have the freedomof choice then forget it and if you die because you choose something different That is really awful. SoI think we need to see more people work for this.
(HoO)I just want to ask you about where, this will go just before Christmas. We are here, you said you're in Sweden, I'm in the UK, and we have freedoms here and we've talked a lot about freedoms and freedoms that are not afforded to those who live in the Muslim world.Tell us what that means for someone who is a Christian living in many of those countries. We have the joy ofbeing able to meet with other people, other Christians, many people who are not Christians still celebrate the joyous time of Christmas. And I guess in many Middle Eastern countries, in many Islamic countries, it's very different and you cannotcelebrate this time as you would here in the West.
(KF)Yeah, I mean like Brunei for example, some years, two or three years ago, they just forbid celebrating Christmas in Brunei, completely, for everybody. And of course there is minority of Christians who come who are living there and working there. I mean in Sudan before the fall of this Islamic government, they... people were going around on the streets, we went one Christmas in 2017, I remember, no not 2017, about 2000, maybe I think 2007, and they didn't want people to say Merry Christmas to the Christians, they don't want people to celebrate it.But, I see in many countries for the convert, they cannot openly celebrate.Converts who have come to know Christ, yeah, they cannot openly celebrate Christmas. In these redcountries and also in the countries where it is illegal.There was a Muslim guy who converted to Christianity.Wanted to go into a church in Egypt. He was arrested by the police because they discovered he's aMuslim going to a church. He was Sudanese.They put him in jail. They sent him back to Sudan. And that was like around, it was like 80 years ago.And so they don't have the freedom to celebrate as converts.They have problem to go to churches.But I think in a way, some of these countries, the orange, the red, foreigners are celebrating.But local people who are converts, they cannot really openly celebrate Christmas and go to church ormeet together and worship openly.They mostly meet in secret. But I mean at least some of course they have decorations, Christians arecelebrating where traditionally there were Christians.I mean the Christians from Christian background in Egypt or in Jordan or in Syria, they celebrate Christmasin Iraq.But if they are a convert they have difficulty to do that. But some countries have made it even difficult foreven the minorities or the Christians from other countries who are living in their country to celebrate.But converts, they don't have the chance at all to do that. And so it had been going in a way from one countryto the other.I mean, I passed through Qatar once, flying back during Christmas. They had no decoration forChristmas in the airport, not anywhere.I don't know how it is with the foreign churches.If they had, they can celebrate in the church, maybe in their own meeting or within the church compound,maybe in their homes, it should be possible.But there were no signs of celebrations. other airports in Dubai and so on you find a lot of decorations andChristmas things I think and the local, the minorities who are from other countries also they celebrate but I thinkconverts always will have problems, I know Brunei for sure doesn't allow Christmas celebration because it came out strongly, I think Somalia will be another place which will be very difficult to celebrate Christmas.The same is with Mauritania and of course even in Nigeria they face problems because the churches are attacked many times they are doing this and so it is hard to say Tunisia maybe is more open, we don't have it  here with any of the colours, but still I think they face pressure from the community, but according to the law, now the church has been accepted in Tunisia. But as I think generally, where there is traditional Christians from the beginning, because actually Christianity started in this area and it has died in many of these countries, but where it still exists, they celebrate. But for comfort, it is very difficult. Most of them, they have to be underground in the orange and the red countries in the map. They cannot really have the freedom to openly express their faith in Christ. It is also similar sometimes, of course, even in the West, you find a convert from Christianity or from atheist to Islam, they always have their faces out that theyspeak. But if you have a convert from Islam to Christianity, they don't appear. Because then their life is in danger. And of course, you had the story of the guy who had Merry Christmas in his shop who was killed even in London once. So it is harder for the converts or for the more tolerant people within, but I think in a number of these countries where they were traditionally Christians sometimes of course because we have to separate between somebody, I mean it is likeSomebody saying all the West are Christians of course some aren't, the same are some of the Muslims are notpracticing Muslims, they're more terrorists, but if they are serious is their faith they can bedangerous. So it is not... so you can be nominate and some of these maybe are more open and tolerant withothers and open to have relationship and I mean through my life of course I had a lot of friends who are from a Muslim background but the thing is the ideology we have to think about and the more you are practicing the ideology then you are in more trouble and difficulty, I mean you cause more problems. So we have always to think of that. So apostasy and blasphemy law are part of the Sharia and when they are applied then of course it is a big problem and it is actually applied as we saw here in these 12 countries where you have death sentence for leaving Islam.And other countries where it is a crime to do that. But I think where there is traditional Christians, there ismore freedom because the church existed there for a long time.
(HoO)Kamal, thank you so much for your time. It's a subject that does not get a lot of attention, and that's why Iwas very keen to have you on. To the viewers and to the listeners,please go and make use of the website, freedomdoworship.org. You can sign up to the newsletter, you candonate, you can support the work there, and all the news items information is there. So it is a great resourceto help educate those of us who live in countries that are freeand realize that the world isn't all like that. So Kamal, thank you so much for your time today. It's beenwonderful to have you on.
(KF)I would like just to end with one sentence. What Martin Luther King had said once, he said, "at the end, Iwill not remember the words of my enemies, but the silence of my friend."And my plea for whoever watched this program, to speak up for justice, for these people who are facingdeath threat through their life,just because they refuse to believe.Or because they wanted to change, they wanted to become Athiests, they wanted to becomeChristians, they wanted to leave Islam.And so, please speak out, because injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. And we need to stand forjustice, for freedom, and please stand forthe application of article, universal declaration of human rights article 18 and 19.
(HoO)That's a perfect way to end, to call for people to get involved and to speak up. Thank you so much.

Dr Naomi Wolf - DailyClout: Exposing mRNA & the Battle With Yale

DailyClout have done phenomenal work over the last year, they have somehow managed to pull together a volunteer team of thousands to sift through the Pfizer dump and make sense of that mountain of data. What Pfizer have tried to hide, DailyClout have exposed. Dr Naomi Wolf returns to Hearts of Oak to look back at the success of this work and to talk about the recent battle with Yale about mandatory jabs.Dr. Naomi Wolf is a bestselling author, columnist, and professor; she is a graduate of Yale University and received a doctorate from Oxford.She is cofounder and CEO of DailyClout.io, a successful civic tech company.Since the publication of her landmark international bestseller, The Beauty Myth, which The New York Times called “one of the most important books of the 20th century," Dr Wolf’s other seven bestsellers have been translated worldwide.The End of America and Give Me Liberty: A Handbook For American Revolutionaries, predicted the current crisis in authoritarianism and presented effective tools for citizens to promote civic engagement.Dr Wolf trains thought leaders of tomorrow, teaching public presentation to Rhodes Scholars and co-leading a Stony Brook University that gave professors skills to become public intellectuals.She was a Rhodes scholar herself, and was an advisor to the Clinton re-election campaign and to Vice President Al Gore. Dr Wolf has written for every major news outlet in the US and many globally; she had four opinion columns, including in The Guardian and the Sunday Times of London.She lives with her husband, veteran and private detective Brian, in the Hudson Valley.Dr Wolf's latest book 'The Bodies of Others: The New Authoritarians, COVID-19 and the War Against the Human' available on Amazonhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Bodies-Others-Authoritarians-COVID-19-Against-ebook/dp/B09YNZ2GXV/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1662632232&sr=8-2Interview recorded 19.12.22Follow Dr Wolf and Daily CloutWebsite: https://www.dailyclout.io/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/drnaomirwolfhttps://gettr.com/user/dailycloutTwitter: https://twitter.com/naomirwolf?s=20&t=C3Z2HzsjHsBtvAirPK3YoAhttps://twitter.com/DailyClout?s=20&t=C3Z2HzsjHsBtvAirPK3YoAYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU-FMBZNtCdSiYBgJdvJmXwTo sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more go to https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please like, subscribe & share!
TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)And hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you once again for joining us. It's absolutely wonderful to have Naomi Wolf, Dr Naomi Wolf back with us once again. Naomi, thank you for your time today.
(Dr Naomi Wolf)Thank you so much for having me on again. I really appreciate it.
(HoO)
No, it's wonderful having you.
And if people don't know already how to follow you, at Naomi R Wolf down at the bottom on GETTR, dailyclout.io. And Twitter actually, I saw you've been let back and you're still looking at, but no apology for the restriction of information and the harm it's done. So yeah, what are your thoughts on that?
(NW)Yeah, well, I haven't tweeted yet because I'm waiting to be advised by my lawyer because we have initiated a gigantic lawsuit against Twitter and these other wrongdoers who have.Colluded illegally to suppress my constitutional First Amendment rights. A private company is free to censor whom they want, but in the United States, they're not free to get togetherwith the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security and the White House, all of whom have been confirmed to have colluded with Twitter. So I'm waiting, but as you noted.I did post on GETTR that I don't think it's cute at all. I don't understand people's kind of, you know, oh, hooray, welcome back. It's so exciting. These people, you know, we shouldn'thave ever let them become our town square. We shouldn't have ever given up the way human beings communicate with each other. We should not have let, you know, local newspapers diefor lack of subscribers because people got seduced by free news and the free news got scooped up by Facebook and Twitter. This is on us and we should never again let ourselves be kind of grateful for having our rights given to us. We've seen how that works. So they destroyed my life. I mean.In many ways, I took a six figure hit for my company. Investors pull out when Twitter castigated mearound the world as a crazy person at the behest of my government for whom I had voted.So I don't think it's cute. I don't think it's funny. And I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to go without a fight. They're going to pay for what they did. And it's not just about me. It's about every single voice that was silenced. It's about the principle of private companies, you know, engaging in literally the definition of fascism by coordinating with governments to suppress freedom of speech and dissent.
(HoO)Yeah, not completely. The other way people can follow you, of course, is Substack.So naomiwolf.substack.com and you get those directly in your inbox. And that's also a way ofsupporting you because what you're doing doesn't come cheap.We'll talk about the volunteer team, but I guess Substack is one way that people can sign up for free, but also they can go for a paid service and that helps you do what you're doing.
(NW)I appreciate you mentioning that. Thank you. to be super clear that my sub stack is my personal kind of platform on which I share all of my writerly thoughts as a writer and it doesn't go to daily clout. I just want people to know that if they want to support daily clout, would please that it, you know, that is super important, especially because we have five legal teams, demanding justice of the evil doers of the last two and a half years, which is very, very expensive.So people can get all my substack on daily clout, but they can also get the work of the 3,500 experts that the amazing project director and our COO now, Amy Kelly has organized into a research fighting force that's breaking headline after headline about what's in the Pfizer documents. And we've got a number of really important initiatives to support in 2023. One of them is clean voting, clean,you know, we're going to pass clean voting bills in 50 states and federally. And of course.We're aiming, as I may have told you last time, at launching a daily clout UK as soon as we can get the funding. But yes, thank you for mentioning that Peter right out of the gate, because we are in this crazy time in which they're like, I don't know, maybe under 50 reallycommitted freedom fighters with national or global platforms. And so many people are grateful to all of us, but not as many people actually realize we have to pay the bills, we have to pay hosting, we have to pay for equipment, production costs, editors, videographers, and all that support counts.
And to your organization as well, I hope everyone's sending Christmas gifts and Hanukkah gifts to Hearts of Oak because that's really important to you.
(HoO)Thank you. Thank you. And of course, this time of year, Christmas time is time for gifts. And we, I think the first time you're on, we looked at your book, The Body of Others, and that isavailable. If it's too late to get a hardback, I know it's available on e-book and downloadable as an audiobook.What's the deal with that being available? Obviously I'm here in the UK,it's probably not a book which you would find in your local bookshop. What's the deal over in the US? Has that been restricted at all? Is it simply available online from your website and from Amazon?What's the situation?
(NW)
Yeah, well Amazon, thanks for asking. Amazon did play a lot of silly games in trying torestrict access. Amazon is one of the bad guys in the bodies of others. So that wasn'tsurprising. That seems to have calmed down, but you're quite right that all of my books,I've been doing this for 35 years, right? I've written seven bestsellers and most of them have been bestsellers in Britain. And I've longstanding ties with the UK. I lived in the UK for many years.I lived in Scotland for many years, Oxford. Literally everybody in Britain who says they go into Waterstones or they go into even Blackwell's or any bookstore asking for my book, it's not out.The Body of Others is not out. And there's a kind of grudging willingness to order it. And the same is true in the United States. I mean, it was bizarre. We sold more copies for a number of weeks than the copies that were on the New York Times bestseller list of other books.Like thousands and thousands more copies. The New York Times just would not put me on its best seller list.So, you know, the body of others has had a journey, but it's getting into the hands of readers.You can get it on Amazon, I believe. You can get it, sometimes Amazon will say, we don't ship there, which is something Amazon never says about anything else anywhere.And you can get it at allseasonspress.com, but I do want to tell people, very exciting.There's a gift boxed set that's just been made available of my book and Robert Kennedy Jr's The Real Anthony Fauci together.And I really do think that's so exciting, quite historic because I do feel like those books should be read side by side.R.F.K Jr's book really tells the inside story of the crimes of Dr. Fauci, not just now, but leading up to now. He's not new at crime. And my book kind of gives the social and cultural and economic background for how Dr. Fauci exploited, and probably helped to launch the illnesses and promoted these injections of the last two and a half years. To the detriment of all of us.So I'm really excited to tell people that that's out there. Encourage them to gift it to your loved ones, especially those who don't believe any of it.It is a perfect Christmas present. It is a perfect gift to people.And that box says available on dailyclout.io. It's just there on the left-hand side. People can click on it and order it.
(HoO)Now, Naomi, you've founded Daily Clout back in 2016. And this year, 2022, you've done an overview of what it's been like in the three areas, you kind of focused on in it were what legal webinars to help citizens fight back against officials and employers. Five freedoms, draft legislation to protect freedoms. Pfizer vaccine trial research. Now, certainly for me personally, it's the Pfizer vaccine trial research that I know much more about. Tell us about the legal webinars because many people have found themselves in problems, certainly at the workplace and in different areas with officials with the tyranny we've all faced. So tell us about those webinars. And how they can assist the public.
(NW)Sure. Oh, just to note, I co founded it with a co founder named Lisa Thomas. But I am the CEO and president. And so thank you for that summary of our huge, you know, milestones in 2022. Again, with everyone's support, we could not have done it without the support of your audience and, and others.So the legal webinars are really an incredible model. Most of them have been with this lawyer in Buffalo, New York, named James Ostrowski, and he is a fierce freedom fighter, but he's also very, very good at explaining legal processes to people.A huge part of our mission in our kind of core deliverable is that we aim to demystify legislation.We aim to make democracy more usable by absolutely anyone, to disintermediate the experts who are trying to shut people out of the process.And so it's definitely on mission for us on brand to have a wonderful lawyer explaining to people, saving them thousands of dollars, how they can file their own lawsuits, civil suits, and also file criminal charges.So he did two really powerful webinars, one in which he explained to people who were very upset about, at that point, masking children in schools and injecting children,and teens with mRNA injections in schools without parental consent.In the United States, he taught people how to file civil charges themselves basically against any elected official from the school board all the way up to the governor you know all the way up to on a federal level which I love like why not right these people are absolute criminals and they need to be personally accountable because so much of what wesaw in the last two and a half years came from a clear sense of impunity you know these people thought they would never be held accountable personally and the other thing he taught people is how to file criminal charges with, for instance, your local sheriff's office.For instance, if they're masking your child, you notify the authorities that they're engaging in child abuse. And that's not a slam dunk. You still have to have enforcement.But it did, I know that all of these citizens filing all of these actions across the country, whether they were gestural or not, whether the authorities followed up or not, did createsecond thoughts and it changed the atmosphere.And as a former political consultant, and the same with the Five Freedoms campaign, where we met with legislators in five states to pass bills ending the state of emergency,mask mandates, ending vaccine mandates, allowing freedom of assembly, and opening schools because at that time schools were closed. We may not have passed all those bills in every state, but legislators have told us that the scrutiny and the empowerment of citizens really created a leverage point to break that kind of mass of tyranny and impunity state by state. So I know that that's powerful because people think twice when they get a lawyer's letter or when their criminal charges filed against them. They may not go right to jail, but they don't forge ahead in quite the same way.
(HoO)Tell us when you look back because I think one of the main focuses of Daily Clout when I started was looking at legislation and BILLCAM is there and it's quite a unique featureshowing what is happening, who's proposed amendments and everything is there. I know from working in parliament here in the UK it's sometimes extremely difficult to findout what is happening to make any sense of it. But that was your focus and what's happened over the last 18 months or so is probably a move away from that, although it is looks to look at legislation, but many other attacks. As you kind of finish the year, what are yourthoughts as you look back on what actually Daily Clout have achieved in a changing environment, I guess? (NW)I love your questions. Thank you. Well, just, you know, you're right to notice that Daily Clout the editorial side has really, I wouldn't say split away from legislation, the legislativefocus but you know expanded because of the the urgent civil rights threat posedby mandated vaccines. Like we're not, we weren't founded for health freedom. A lot of thepeople we work with, a lot of our allies, you know, were founded for health freedom.But right now in history in the West, certainly and globally, the way that human liberties are being restricted and human life is being threatened,and crimes are being committed is through the weaponization of medicine or medical discourse medical interventions, medical interventions. So that we have devoted a ton ofeditorial focus to that. But the, the kind of product side is, is still robust and we're kind of increasingly separating these into kind of two, not two companies, but two brands really, because we are just launching our business to business product, which I'm so, so excited about where you can, you know, if you're an advocacy organization, can get just ifyou do you know health care you can get just health care legislation in your ownportal if you're in finance you can get just banking legislation in your own portal and so on so that'll empower everyone you know but it'll it'll also be you know specifically focused onpresenting legislation in a way that is specific to your own whatever it is you're interested inspecifically. And I want to say that 125,000 people have used,BILLCAM a month. So it's really successful. So we're going to keep growing but in parallel tracks. And as you mentioned, Daily Clout itself, the big project that really was the hallmark of 2022 was this amazing assortment 3,500 experts going through the Pfizer documents. And I'm so proud of them and of Amy Kelly.
(HoO)But tell us about that because I know we've touched on it before, but that was a mammoth effort. And I guess the data was released in a way that didn't make sense and wasn't possible, to analyse it. Most people then would have put on social media and complained about that. But.Actually it's a different thing to complaining the situation and doing something about it.And you pull together that team and if it wasn't for the efforts of those volunteers connected with Daily Clout, with War Room, then the public wouldn't actually have been aware of all of the failings through that process.
(NW)Yeah, that was honestly, I just can't even explain the success of that project without feeling like we had some kind of metaphysical wind at our backs, because you can imagine,And I really cannot take credit for it.I mean, when I tried to say, okay, we're going to put a call out for experts to read these documents, because I really do believe in and I've had good experience like crowdsourcing expertise, that's part of the idea behind BILLCAM, right?Like people can comment on these dense pieces of legislation and illuminate them kind of collectively.But when I went before the great Amy Kelly, I, and even my colleagues, we werehurting cats.I mean, it was like literally beyond anyone's managerial ability or, or even like, how do you even digitally manage 3,500 experts reading through 55,000 documents?But Amy Kelly has supernatural powers of management and organization.I literally don't understand how she does it, but she came in and, you know, the only credit I can take is that I recognize incredible leadership skills when I see them. And she did us the honour of becoming our project manager and now our COO, as well as our project manager.And she just magically organized these 3500 experts in medicine and science, biostatisticians, medical fraud investigators, data analysts, lab clinicians, physicians,nurses into six teams.And then there's kind of an expert group reviewing the work of each of the six teams. And then it goes through a checking process with a meta team.And then it goes through editorials so that we take, and this is again, This is the only other little piece I can take credit for.It's very hard to turn even the most accessible medical writing into journalism that everyone can understand.But it's so important for everyone to understand it. So there's a robust kind of back and forth to get those reports readable.And then we launch them. But I've just got to credit her. And these 3,500 people who are literally around the world working for free, drawing on their expertise, many of them can't even be named because they're kind of doing it surreptitiously because they would get fired, you know, if they use their expertise publicly to help their fellow human beings and to stop the greatest medical fraud in human history and not just greatest medical fraud, but to stop what is clearly turning into a mass murder event.So I just like, it's so beautiful that these 3,500 nameless souls, you know, labour and serve humanity in this way.And we also have these 250 volunteer lawyers, many of whom have now started to write letters, to attorneys general across the United States, warning them of reckless endangerment, of fraud, of misleading advertising, various crimes that Pfizer is committing specifically.
(HoO)Well, there are many things which you've helped expose. I know just this week, I think it was a few days ago, you were talking about hypertension. And whenever the layperson hears terms, I think, well, it doesn't sound good. But on the article you put this, known as elevated blood pressure, a serious medical condition that significantly increases the risk of heart, brain, kidney, and other diseases.And you were talking about this of what you've pulled out from the Pfizer, but also from VAERS data, which just adds to everything else that is coming out. Do you want to let us know what you've found on that?
(NW)Sure. It's very important. I mean, this team has foundso many headlines that really have saved lives, and this is another one. So someone very close to me, whom I cannot name, perfectly healthy 84-year-old woman, perfectly healthy before she got three, injections, Moderna.Was taken to the hospital over the past weekend because of tightness in her chest and they diagnosed hypertension, which literally this is a woman who has eaten right her entire life, exercised her entire life.She's the right weight for her height. She's just everything right. You know, hypertension in our family, nothing, right? And suddenly this manifests.So of course her doctors are like, as they always are, with all of these side effects with everyone I know who's being injured by the vaccines, the doctors like, we have no idea.And then it's literally right there in the Pfizer documents, like whatever it is these people aresuffering from that they didn't suffer from before.You know, we do a search with this tool. One of our volunteers created called abstractor and there it is. So I asked Amy Kelly to search for hypertension or high blood pressure in Pfizer documents.And she found 242 different iterations. And then she searched the VAERS database and what the results she got were 108,000 rows of data.So, and the system said, we can't even print this out for you, you have to resubmit under 10,000 rows each.So it was like a signal so massive, it broke the pipeline essentially. And for your audience in the UK, excuse me, and even in the US and around the world, The VAERS database is supposed to be the thing that... of harm that the CDC, our Center for Disease Control, our big kind of medical safety agency is supposed to be monitoring.Like that's Rochelle Walensky's job. That's literally her main job.And here is the signal so massive that it kind of overwhelmed her own system.And yet it was Amy Kelly in a guest bedroom in Denver, Colorado, who found it, and me in a guest bedroom in Salem, Massachusetts, who's announcing it to the world, instead of the multi-billion dollar CDC, funded with our tax dollars.And then Dr. Ely did a recheck. He verified her results.And he also, he's a VAERS CDC expert because of his own work with senators, Linthicum andSenator Thatcher in Oregon, with a grand jury investigation demand of the CDC,for data mishandling.And he found tens of thousands of results of high blood pressure in the VAERS database and 1500 people died, 1500 people died.And again, the variations on high blood pressure are so massive and we now have Vigilant Fox who's joined us, which I'm proud to say.He's a wonderful kind of commentator who boils down stories and creates videos.And he's a former nurse.And he explained, I'm like, why is hypertension a big deal? Why do we care about it? It doesn't sound that serious, right? And he explained, you know, that it can be very dangerous.He explained it in his piece about what we found. And Dr. Ely elaborated on why hypertension is so serious.You can die of it. People are dying of it. So, you know, we have to add these 1500 people minimum because the VAERS under reports by one, I'm sorry, the VAERS is estimated to report only one to 10% of the true number of adverse events. So we've got,you know, scores, what would it be if you've got 1500, we could have 15,000 people dead of hypertension who would not have been dead of hypertension prior to receivingthe mRNA vaccines. And also the last thing I'll say about this is that all of these horrible pieces are starting to fit together, Peter, medically. I've talked about lipid nanoparticles.They're an industrial fat. Well, they're in your blood now, you know, if you've been vaccinated. So there are all these clotting effects, these lung clots, blood clots, the Pfizer documents are full of clots.
And nurses have even described the difference between vaccinated being very viscous,and unvaccinated blood being a different color and not not so thick.These industrial fats exist, they're like a like the opposite of an emulsifier. They exist to thicken things. Right. and as I reported earlier and I'm surprised no one's really paying attention to this, but it's more of a kind of industrial product discussion than a medical product discussion, which may be why the doctors are not wading into it. But lipid nanoparticles, they solidify at room temperature. They get thicker as you warm them. And I warned everyone, remember all that weird chilling, that it has to be so cold, it has to be so cold. And I did a piece on the variability. I think we talked about this of instructionsthat how cold to keep the vaccines. Well, what good does it do to keep this material super freezing chilled in a freezer if you inject it into a human body, which is 98.6 degreesFahrenheit, you know, some Celsius, you know, it's going to change. And so if you thinkabout what hypertension does to the heart, right, it makes the heart work harder, it pushes the blood against the arteries, you know, more than it should be pushed against the arteries.That's an effect you would get if your blood is sticky, as Dr. Ely said. And he actually has a different mechanism for what causes the sticky blood and explained that in more detail. But,you know, there could be multiple factors, you know, ruining people's blood, basically, in circulation. And I'm just heartsick about this. And I hope, I hope millions ofpeople watch this interview, because right now, pretty much nobody knows outside of you, me, and and the War Room posse and whoever's reading our sub stacks about this, that this is happening. That's a side effect.
(HoO)
Well, one of the things that really has worried me is the whole issue of blood transfusion. And I know there has been one case in New Zealand with parents losing access to their child because they wanted the child to have a transfusion with unvaccinated blood. And I know, I think on Daily clout, there's an interview there with an organization that looks at this. And that's a whole other area because many of us no longer trust our health system. And therefore what happens if you're in need of blood? And that's a huge step because very few of us have any idea of how to even set up a system whereby that's available. Because you obviously don't want to receive blood if it is infected with something that can cause damage to your body.
(NW)Absolutely. And this is, it's such a heart-breaking, unbelievable story, but it's also so predictable. I mean, I say unbelievable and predictable at the same time. Those are the times we're living in.Months and months ago, I warned on War Room that the last step of this train we were on would be that people's children would be removed from them. That is the ultimate leverage. And that's what that we're seeing in formerly free, formerly enlightened New Zealand and subsequently around the world.Like if we don't fight this fight in every country, that's gonna be everywhere.The whole world is gonna be like China and now like New Zealand and like Australia in horrible ways and on and on.And I'm hearing terrible things about Britain about restricting assembly. I need to find out more about that or restricting travel.But back to your question about blood, it is true that I don't believe anything these peoplesay anymore either.I mean, my loved one said with relief that this bracelet she'd been assigned to wear, someone had told her returns unreliably high numbers.different kinds of medical bracelet. And my first thought was, well, of course it does, because that's how you guarantee the endless consumption of the hypertension medications,which are made by guess who, Pfizer.So yeah, I don't trust any of them. The blood supply is a bad question, but predictably, unvaccinated semen, unvaccinated eggs. Unvaccinated surrogate moms and unvaccinated blood are gonna be the black market or the gold of the near future if they aren't already.And I do think we have to create an alternative medical system as well as an alternative scientific system, alternative economic system.But I know that some doctors have started to do this. I know that Dr. Alexander and Dr. McCullough and other dissident doctors have united in something I think is called the Wellness Project.And I just would refer people to them and to FLCCC and to Dr. Ely because I don't know that they have access to unvaccinated blood, but I think we're gonna start to have like networks of donors, informally, people saying like, I'll step in for your baby, I'm type O or I'm unvaccinated.I mean, it's going to be like an underground railroad, medically.
(HoO)Well, I don't know whether it will be that people just have a small freezer at home and they stick their blood in. It's a strange way. Again, we have to look for solutions to the madness that we face and the solutions can be very different from what's been done before.But then over in, it seems to be that there is actually more voices, certainly in the political realm.Here we've had Andrew Bridgen MP who stood up and called for mRNA vaccines to be immediately suspended certainly with children. And I know I watched the whole day of meetings with Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Rand Paul has been very vocal as has Ron De Santos.
Are you seeing a change because you're putting the information out, and others are putting the information out. It is all there to read and to make an informed decision that this is not good. We must immediately suspend until further notice. Are we seeing a change with some of our politicians actually wakening up to it? (NW)I mean, yes, yes and no. I think it's huge that you had a parliamentarian call for this. And culturally, when a taboo is broken, that has a big impact, even if you don't get immediate colleagues rushing to stand next to him or immediate positive press coverage.Things are changing, not fast enough, not comprehensively enough.
I'm a lifelong Democrat, I'm now an independent, but the change in the makeup of the House in the United States starting in January, that Republicans will be in charge.That is having a ripple effect around the world or certainly around the Westbecause different people will be able to hold investigations, have subpoena power.And so if there have been alliances, for instance, between Britain and the US, which there often are around these issues, those will be disclosed. And I guess I just don't get thathappy about it, but I'm also very annoyed because what you're gonna start to see is rats jumping ship, or people, and I'm seeing this with the, you know, literati and the intelligentsia.Oh, I never believed that. I was always there with you, you know, I, you know, with that things were crazy, right?I mean, you know, and so people are trying to get ahead of indictments and they're trying to lay down paper trails in the event of investigation.And in some cases, and I think we'll see this with people Rochelle Walensky, Dr. Walensky, Dr. Fauci, and my husband Brian O'Shea, an investigator many years in the intelligence community, points this out.
The first person to get to turning on their peers gets a reduced sentence or other kinds of immunity. So I think we're going to see a rush to throw others under the bus once the Republicans take power. 
But it's not enough. I mean there are still ads every day, people tell me in states across my country telling people to inject their children.The CDC still lies every single day. I can't believe what I saw just this morning. The CDC is telling people on its website that teenagers and minors have a right to choose vaccination of any kind in spite of their parents' wishes. It's not true. It's a lie. But they just lie and lie andlie. Dr. Ely broke this story yesterday when I interviewed him or the day before, I beg your pardon, that is shocking. He found that the CDC has removed 32,000 cases. I may have the number slightly..... I'll say tens of thousands till I can check the number, but cases of myocarditis from the VAERS database between September and December, just removed them, which is illegal and probably has to do with, you mentioned DeSantis. Governor DeSantis and Dr. Lattapos' plans for a grand jury investigation, that's Dr. Walensky covering up evidence of a crime, right, or trying to. So yes, things are changing, but as a journalist, I guess I'm especially angry as a journalist because the Guardian isn't joining you in saying, here's investigative reporting we've done, this has to stop.They took the money. The BBC took all the money.They're not joining you in actually investigating the spike, the doubling of baby deaths.They call it a spike, to hide the number in Scotland. 
I mean, so many things are not happening with the news media because of the pipeline of money and because of their own complicity.They committed crimes too, they took the money and they have blood on their hands and people died. And I don't know how that will play out,in terms of litigation, but I know that when this worm actually turns and the bodies have been duly counted, that the diabilities, and every country now is showing a signal of dramatic 13% rise in Australia above the norm for deaths, unexplained deaths, 20% I believe in Germany, and the unborn babies, the drop in babies that Igor Chudin documented, an average of 20% I believe worldwide in the, databases he's looked at.Media are going to be hauled into court for participating in fraud and reckless endangerment. And I'm a free speech absolutist, but they deserve to because it is illegal to endanger people and kill them by covering things up and forcing them basically to make choices they wouldn't make otherwise. So it's going to be a bloodbath.
(HoO)How do you think that, because one of the headlines from Senator Ron Johnson's hearings was, and I think you covered in Daily Clout, analysis shows 26% worse mortality amongst mRNA vaccinated.So the information is out there, at some point people have to be held to account. And often in the UK being held to account means actually promoted or given a better job somewhere. That's what you're held to a coin. Heads do not roll. I'm guessing at some point those in charge in the CDC, in the pharm industry need to be penalized, be punished for what's happened. Is that private prosecutions? Is that state by state? Is the whole De Santos being vocal? Is that a breakthrough in that area?
(NW)Well, De Santos is being more than vocal, he's calling for a grand jury investigation. And that's serious. And he's the first governor to do that.And I know that his popularity is off the charts. So punishment for COVID crimes is going to play very, very well in many parts of our country and probably in yours as well.Because the truth has a way of coming out.In spite of Britain being in a more opaque information bubble than the US, from what I can see, there are people like you and people like Mark Steyn and a few other truth tellers.People just aren't stupid. They look around and look at the symptoms that their loved ones experience and they put pieces together over time.So yes, DeSantis' approach is important, again, culturally, by breaking that seal, not just saying, well, because what the evildoers want to do now is, that Emily Osterpiece, we didn't know, the science was evolving, it's time for amnesty, let's make s'mores andsing kumbaya, crazy, crazy times.And that's..... there's a reason there was an Nuremberg trial after World War Two.There's a reason that the Nazi doctors were hanged, you know, in a long, a long.People in journalism who promoted Nazi policies were also punished cruelly. And that has to happen, right? If that hadn't happened, Nazism would have reared its ugly head much earlier.But how can I put it? I think that there's a risk that the move on forces will prevail unless we are very assertive and strategic and organized. And here's one reason why.Even though the Republicans are in power in the U.S., Bill and Melinda Gates are still out there pouring money into every news outlet, filling the coffers of left and right. And the same pharma money goes to your country, and the same big tech money goes, to distort your media and your social discourse. And the other thing is that I just have to be honest, wefought really hard in the United States to get some of our democracy back, like really hard grassroots, moms organizing, people doing audits, people kind of educatingthemselves through entities like BILLCAM, what does the law really say? How do I talk to my, showing up in Albany, showing up at their state houses, in Britain? I'm sorry to say this,I love Britain dearly. You're in a post-democratic situation now. I created BILLCAM partly because I did an informal poll of people around me in Oxford in a pub like five years ago and said, do you know how to lobby your member of parliament?And do you know how to, and this was when Britain was still part of the European Union, do you know how to lobby your MEP?And nobody knew. And there's no disrespect to the British. Your system has deliberately been made. One of the greatest democracies, the original democracy in the world, the process of, as you know, from having worked in parliament.The lobbying of your representative process is so opaque and mysterious that people have been completely disempowered.And the last thing I'll say, and then I will really stop, is part of why we're so eager to launch Daily Clout andBILLCAM is that part of the reason I designed it the way I did is from having looked at parliament.uk. and your legislative database.Is it literally impossible to find out what the laws are? I mean, my book was smeared, a book I wrote about 19th century British laws about sodomy was smeared and attacked based on a law that no one could find, right?A legislative database that was completely opaque. And when you try to follow parliament.gov.uk, it often sends you in a circle and it ends in a dead link or it says things like, well, these laws are in scrolls and you have to be a lawyer to access that.Like scrolls, like that is not a thing in the digital era. And so it's very disturbing that digitaltechnology is used to put forward a face of accessibility, especially in Britain, but actually used to hide and conceal legislation and legislative processes from the citizens.Sorry to be so nerdy, but I care a lot about this.
(HoO)No, our laws are opaque and also can be read in so many different ways and that's the problem. And then the courts spend their time trying to make sense of bad legislation, which keeps getting different amendments put on it. But I want to finish off just by, you said about Bill and Melinda Gates are still around, talked about the money going into institutions and.One of those institutions is Yale University. And you put up a number of things, obviously you were at Yale, which I think says the third oldest university in the States, then look back, in Oxford was there 300 years before. So, but we'll not even get into that.You've spoken about this and highlighted the money going into Yale and I guess that control.Tell us about that because that shows the hold that these large institutions have on our education system.
(NW)Yeah, that was a shocker. So I was invited to speak at a rally outside of Yale against thishellish policy the university has mandated that even if students, undergraduates, healthyundergraduates have both the initial injections and booster, they have to take the bivalent booster before they can even come back to campus after winter break and resume their studies.
And, this is, I mean you can imagine how insane this is as more and more and more evidence mounts up that particularly young adults are at greater, I mean the British Medical journal just ran a piece just in time for Yale to save face if it repeals its mandate by the waybut you know whatever works you know pointing out that young adults it's unethical to have university mandates because young adults are at more risk from the injection and myocarditis and they don't you know not to mention the menstrual problems that womenare suffering then and they are from the virus itself.And so I gave a speech, you know, I am a mom and if parents don't speak up about, and I'm an alumna, you know, and if parents and alumni don't speak up to protect these undergraduates, and the faculty and staff are not mandated, meaning the administration isn't mandated.It's just the kids, it's just the students, right? Makes no sense at all, no sense at all.And so I thought, well, what, you know, usually there's money driving insane policies. And again, my, got to credit, Brian O'Shea. The world's best investigator, he quickly fell on the money trail by looking at a database of government funding called TAGGS and as well as Yale's own internal records.And Yale makes 200 million more every year year from HHS grants, then from then from tuition. So that's $600 million a year from HHS, about 400 plus fromtuition. And so they need HHS more than they need their students. So they're basically at in my argument, trafficking their students. Yale has received $6 billion from HHS since 1998, 1.7 billion since COVID began.And I broke out individual grants and there's so much nonsensical bribery, like, you know, over a million dollars to go to Karachi to look at burial grounds to assess the impact of COVID, to look at burial grounds, you don't know how they died, right?They're dead, they're buried. You know, not looking at medical records, not looking at, you know, like, look, physically look at burial grounds or 3.4 million for student emergency COVID care.And it takes you to a dead link. What did they use that for? forced injections? distance learning? who knows?But the point is they're literally trafficking the kids. And I looked at the Connecticut and federal law against human trafficking, and it literally applies to what Yale is doing because you don't have to be sexually trafficked or transported to be trafficked.You have to be forced or coerced to provide labour or services that you have a legal right to refuse. And that's literally what's happening to the bodies of students at Yale.And for sure, as I said in my speech, going to be young men whose hearts are damaged, who could drop dead, young women who will be permanently injured menstrually with, I mean, in Pfizer documents, the horrors around menstruation.Either 20 different names in Pfizer documents for horrible things that happen to your bodymenstrually, like menstruating always, right? Or two periods, like, can you imagine being afemale student menstruating every single day of your life, or two periods a month, or horrible haemorrhages, agonizing cramps. So in addition to trafficking, in my view, it's also a violation of Title IX because they're certainly going to be inflicting on some of those undergraduate women infertility and agonizing disability. So that was what I had to say there. And I hope and believe they're hearing from alumni and parents but sadly from what I heard from at least one parent Yale is tasking this horrible woman named Stephanie Spengler, Dr. Spengler, with managing the calls from distraught parents.Stephanie Spengler was the woman tasked with managing my trying to file a grievance against an active sexual predator on campus.She's the managing of injustices and she literally is sending parents in circles. not saving the kids yet. The kids are still at risk. And I don't know the situation in the UK. I mean, are they mandating Oxford and Cambridge students?
(HoO)I think it depends on someone. I talked to a friend of mine and sadly they were going to University for Medicine and sadly they made the choice to get injected to be able to go. It seems to be that there are quite a number of universities. It's not across the board and of course they make their own decisions each time. And after someone's beenaccepted, everything's ready and then suddenly they say, oh, of course you're vaccinated.You know, at some point, the closer you get to actually attending it, it's too late. You can't just go and change your mind and go elsewhere.So yeah, that's exactly,
(NW)
I'm sorry to jump in there, Peter, but this is super painful what you'redescribing, this young woman Phoebe Liu is a University of Connecticut student, she's like 19 or 20, she said that they dangle just what you said, they're on campus, they've chosen their classes, they paid their money and that the university dangles their future like a lure on a string and withholds it, for these constantly escalating physical requirements. And as I put it in my speech, it's not just the harm to these young people's bodies. What it's doing tothem psychologically is going to scar them for life. And they're being groomed to accept a terrorizing reality in which authorities can do anything at any time to you.
(HoO)And again, in the UK, you don't get to choose. So you turn up and you get injected into whatever they have that day. So I've talked to doctors who have gone for the jabs and they have no idea what they're going to get. They just, well, whatever they put in me and that level of absolute belief and confidence in your government is frightening. But that's where we are.
(NW)They don't know what brand or what dose? (HoO)When they arrive, if they ask, they can be told, but whenever you make an appointment.You can't say, I would prefer to have the Johnson & Johnson because not an mRNA as opposed to Pfizer.You don't get to choose that. You turn up and you get whatever they give you on the day. No choice.
(NW)I just want to tell people that the Pfizer documents show that Moderna is three times more lethal than Pfizer and of course Pfizer is more lethal than J&J.
(HoO)Wow. On that happy note, we will finish off. Thank you Dr. Naomi Wolf for joining us. It's absolutelywonderful to have you on and thank you for coming on, sharing what Daily Clout have been doing over the last year and what you've been doing. So thank you so much for,your time.
(NW)Thank you, Peter. And I should end by saying, you know, it has been a year of great progress when all of us have been fighting together. So let's hope that 2023 will be sane and healthyand back to a post-enlightenment discourse in liberty for all. And thank you so much for your support for our work as well.
(HoO)No, not at all. And just to our viewers and listeners, if you haven't already got Bodies of Evidence, it is a wonderful Christmas present to give to someone to help open their eyes a little bit. So I'd encourage you to get a copy, if you can't get a hard copy of this set it's available certainly on ebook and audiobook.