Hearts of Oak Podcast

Joe Allen - DARK ÆON: Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity

Show notes and Transcript
Joe Allen has just written a book that is a warning to humanity. In Dark Aeon he has unpacked the uber complex issue of Transhumanism and shown how this move towards merging human with machine is the biggest threat humankind now faces. Joe returns to Hearts of Oak to show how this is about control and not simply technology. He points to the main actors in this frightening plan who now operate in plain sight. And he ends, as he does in the book, by looking at the spiritual side of this. Not only numerous end time warnings from the bible but also how personal faith and trust in God can guide us through this assault on our very soul.
Joe Allen is a fellow primate who wonders why we ever came down from the trees!He has written for Chronicles, The Federalist, Human Events, The National Pulse, Parabola, Salvo, and Protocol: The Journal of the Entertainment Technology Industry. He holds a master’s degree from Boston University, where he studied cognitive science and human evolution as they pertain to religion. As an arena rigger, he’s toured the world for rock n’ roll, country, rap, classical, and cage-fighting productions. Joe now serves as the transhumanism editor for Bannon’s WarRoom.
Dark Aeon: Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity with foreword by Stephen K Bannon available from Amazon...https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Aeon-Transhumanism-Against-Humanity/dp/1648210104/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
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Interview recorded 11.9.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Joe Allen, it is wonderful to have you with us here at Hearts of Oak. Thanks so much for joining us today. 
(Joe Allen)
Good to be here, Peter. Thank you very much. 
And we're obviously going to go into your, book, which is just out, which is Dark Aeon, Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity.We will delve through that, and I have read most of it. It is a book you can dip in and out of chapter by chapter. We will go through that and it's always good to have a book that's, different than the norm. It doesn't fit into the normal books I think often we come across on the conservative side. It's a completely different subject and subject that most people are probably afraid to even engage with but we'll get into that. Obviously follow Joe @JoeBotXYZ on Twitter, joebot.xyzonline. He is Transhumanism Editor War Room Pandemic. And maybe Joe, we can first jump in. We've had John before to talk about this and this book obviously 400 plus pages goes really into depth on this subject from different angles. But Joe, your background was in the entertainment industry. As a rigger, you worked behind the scenes piecing venues together literally.How did you get from music concerts in the entertainment industry to be a technology journalist?Well, you know, I think journalist might be pushing it. Journalist might be pushing it, but I've been a writer ever since I was a child and I began writing professionally.2007 was my first published article. And so as a writer, the goal has always been just describe reality in as smart-ass of tone as I could possibly muster.As I've gotten older, it's gotten a bit more serious, a little less smart-ass.Not entirely. If you've read the book, you can see that there's plenty of smart-ass left in me.But well, I spent most of my adult life between the arena and academia.So when I did my undergrad, I needed a job. I went down to the arena at my school, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and began working as a stagehand.Quickly noticed the guys climbing both in the rafters in the arena and also on the stages.Thought that might be a preferable gig to lugging boxes around.So very early on, I pushed my way into the climber, the stage climber and then rigger world.And that was where I stayed for about 15 years, give or take.And I would dip back into academia, that lifestyle, that job gives you a lot of time off.And so I would audit courses, I audited courses in Asheville, North Carolina, audited courses in Portland, Oregon, and then eventually took my master's degree at Boston University.So in many ways, the rigging gig was a way to accumulate money that I could waste on a useless education.So that was really my entire life until the pandemic was between those two worlds.And once the pandemic hit, not only could you not just simply walk onto a campus to ask questions of a professor or visit a library, obviously the work of stagecraft was completely destroyed.And even when it came back, it came back with masks and vaccine mandates and all that stuff.But, you know, once the hammer fell in regard to the COVID pandemic, I knew that I would also have to change in order to stay sane.I packed up a survival bunker on wheels.I began traveling cross country.I watched the race riots and I watched the the mask holes versus the naked faces.And spent a lot of time out in nature. And at that time you could spend a lot of time in nature by yourself. There weren't hordes of people everywhere for the most part.So, it was during that time that Bannon discovered my work at The Federalist, and once I went on The War Room, he hired me almost immediately.I've been there for two and a half years.So, for two and a half years, my brain has been completely saturated with transhuman doom.It's quite interesting, because in the book you mention, I think in the introduction, that you weren't really interested in politics that much, and you end up being on one of the most political shows online, one of the most popular political shows online.It's weird how COVID has taken us and dropped you in that environment.
You know, Steve has always had an interest in transhumanism.He's always been a bit freaked out by it, and I think anyone who understands the full implications should be.Even if you're excited about it, you should be freaked out about it.So it was always something that was bracketed from the rest of the show.Now, arguably, conservatism is all about preserving that which was handed down traditionally, and to some extent, that which was handed down familially.And so there's really nothing more conservative than wanting to conserve Homo sapiens.You know, the title of the book has a double meaning in both the title and the subtitle.The title Dark Aeon is a reference to a period of time, but Eon, actually, this has been a war between, this is the real war between me and Steve, is it Eon or Aeon?It looks like he's winning, but Dark Aeon is a reference to a period of time.It's also a reference to Gnostic entities, which we can go into in more depth if you would like, but there is definitely the element of Gnosticism is very, very important in the book.The idea though of transhumanism and the war against humanity, that also has a double meaning.On the one hand, it's the war against what it means to be human.The very identity of human being, that the notion of transhumanism is that the human being is something to be surpassed, something to be ultimately transcended by way of technology.On the other hand, there are strains of transhumanism which predict that the technologies we are developing right now are in fact developing a life of their own.They will eventually, through evolutionary processes, that they will eventually come to dominate and replace us, if not destroy us outright.And so, whether it's the gentle version of transhumanism, which seeks to transform the human being irrevocably, or whether it's the harsh post-human world, which is envisioned as one in which humanity goes extinct or is completely destroyed, just like that, and is celebrated, it is undoubtedly a war against humanity.So the notion of conservatism, to conserve, to preserve what we have, it does really fit with any sort of resistance to, or conflict with the transhumanist worldview.It would be very difficult to do so from a liberal point of view, I think, if you are a true liberal, because a true liberal is all about freedom.And it's all, you know, the true liberal does not want the constraints of tradition.The true liberal does not want the constraints of even the body in many ways, right?You can see it in the trans movement. You can see it in many of the sorts of sexual and transracial and crossracial sorts of culture.So, yet, at the same time, and I know that this is probably going on too long and getting too complicated, at the same time, there are a lot of left-wing arguments against transhumanism, but primarily they revolve around the idea that billionaires are in charge of human evolution at this point, that billionaires are directing the very fate of the species.So it's a complex landscape, and I hope that the book captures that.Well, I just want to take two, one quote which is on the back of the book, but the few lines I think certainly on Amazon says, like a thief in the night, artificial intelligence has inserted itself into our lives. It makes important decisions for us every day, often we barely notice. As Joe Allen writes in his groundbreaking book, Transhuman is the great merger of humankind with the machine. And then there is a Naomi Wolf writing on the back, which is high praise and makes me very jealous. And she says, Joe Allen's Dark Aeon is the first comprehensive critical analysis of the planned post-human future. It will give you great clarity as well as nightmares. Allen has long been our most thoughtful authority on this ill-understood catastrophe and no one who wants humanity to survive should ignore his warnings here. I feel like we should just finish the interview at that point. I mean that's enough. When you're people saying that, you must realize, and you do realize I guess, the importance of this topic and the importance of getting this information into people's hands to ready them for what's coming. 
Yeah a lot of people I think even in the War Room crowd, they see a topic like transhumanism is very abstract.It's very much in the future for them, right? Like it's not something that's relevant for today and therefore it's not worth paying attention to.I think that misses a lot of the ways in which the transhumanist ideology is poking through into our reality already by way of various technologies, not least of which would be say the MRNA vaccine or the chat bots, which have rapidly begun to flood educational systems, corporate environments, and of course the internet itself.People don't necessarily link that to the transhumanist view, either because they're not familiar with it or because those don't seem as dramatic as the predictions and the prescriptions of the transhumanists.But I don't see it as being necessarily the most important issue, it just depends on how these technologies pan out and of course how people accept them and use them.But without a doubt, if you look at the various problems that face the West, as a series of layers, whether it be demographic integrity, whether it be sexual and gender propriety, whether it be the preservation of religious tradition or familial traditions, with clan traditions, for you Irishmen out there.I think all of these, basically what we see in the 20th century is an invasion of every border, just ramping up, ramping up, ramping up, whether they be national borders, whether they be the borders of the body, the borders between genders, the borders between races, the borders between language groups, and of course the borders between religious groups.All of these have been shred in an attempt to create some sort of multi-culti homogeneous, just grade out Borg.Riding on top of all of that is technology.And it would be crazy to say that transhumanism is driving all of this.I don't think so. I think that it's more of the kind of thing that sits at the pinnacle of it.The ultimate border between human beings and machines is being dissolved, first conceptually, and then in actual physical reality. It's very subtle, not unlike what amounted to a very rapid demographic transformation of America and more and more so the UK. It was something that wasn't noticed at first. It wasn't really noticed until it was too late, at least not by enough people.I fear that the same is happening with technology. People are already melded to their smartphones.Their personalities have become, like the most relevant aspects of their personalities are imprinted on the digital field.And so as we move forward into whatever future lies ahead of us, I think that the alarm bells, they tend to go off momentarily.Oh my God, there's nanobots in the vaccine.And then when none of that pans out, the more slow, subtle role into the merger between man and machine takes place without really any sort of resistance or oftentimes without anyone noticing.One thing I came across, transhumanism is, as you so often present it, has been about technology and the robot side.But throughout reading your book and right at the beginning, you also bring out the side of power and control and certain individuals and it seems to be as much as that element of control as it is about that element of technology.
Absolutely. Various modes of control. So at its core, transhumanism is about the individual being able to control themselves by way of technology and technique, about being able to control nature, of course, be that clearing land for a new data centre, or be that controlling the weather itself directly by say seeding ice nuclei into the clouds.It's also about controlling other people.That rarely ends up being something voiced explicitly, but it's implicit, occasionally it is, but it's implicit.The idea that one's will, one's will to power will be expressed through technology, well, that's also going to include the social sphere.Whether or not that is the stated intention, undoubtedly the technological system that we live in right now.If you think of the cyborg as a relationship between the animal or the organism and the machine, and the cyborg is a two-way control system so that the organism has control over the machine and therefore over nature, society, so on and so forth.But the machine also has input into the organism.And the ratio of control, whether or not the organism is the primary mover in the system or whether or not the machine, and that varies.And what I see in the current technological landscape that we live in, there is an illusion that the average person has control over this technological system.But nobody's telling you what to order from Uber Eats.Nobody's telling you where to buy that plane ticket. Nobody's telling you who to friend on social media, nor are they telling you what to say on there.Not necessarily, but what is happening, aside from the barriers, you are not going to do this, is that by and large, propaganda, both subtle and overt, has put the desires into people's minds as to what they want from these systems.And so very often you see that people are chasing their desires within that technological structure, and these are desires that were put into them by the corporations or even the governments that these systems serve.So as far as control goes, these systems, whether we're talking about social media itself, the tight relationship between the human mind and the internet, which has become just insane in the last two and a half decades, it's astonishing how much people just take it for granted that the internet really is a secondary piece of our cognition.But the control system itself, what you see, again, whether it's the internet, whether it is the digital currencies that surveil everything that we do, and eventually will most likely be used to stop us from doing what we are not wanted to do, to the digital ID systems, all of it amounts to a control system in which the participant in the West has the illusion of control over the system, when in fact, it's corporate and government power exerting control over us en masse and individual by individual, then of course in China, it gives you a real good idea of where it could go in the West, where it's just simply overt.You have the city brain data centers that gather all of the surveillance data, and it's just obvious that the entire purpose is for social control, a kind of cultural eugenics, or the smart eye system connected to it, so that everywhere in China there are surveillance systems that the common understanding is if you run afoul of the state, then the state can get you no matter what.That's implicit in America, and I think anybody who's paying attention knows that's also the case.But in America, maybe it's even more dangerous. There is the illusion that you have control over the system, that the system is going to respond to your desire.But I see it very much as top-down.There's more technocracy than transhumanism, but I see those as, as Patrick Wood so aptly said, you know, technocracy and transhumanism are really just two sides of the same coin, one being related to the social structure and the other being related to the worldview. 
At the beginning you gave statements from two world leaders, Klaus Schwab, you say, our life in ten years from now will be completely different and who masters those technologies in some way will be the master of the world. That was a recent one. Then you also give Putin from 2017 and he says whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world. You mentioned China. I'm wondering in the West, have we come to the point where there's just simply too much faith and trust in our leaders?
Uh, yes and no. I think that, um...There is a lot of cynicism in America, both left and right. So it's very interesting to see so many people that really don't believe in the system anymore and yet have become tools of that system, very much so.In fact, I don't know how intentional or not it is, but the sort of dissident movements both left and right in America, and perhaps in Europe, you would perhaps be able to educate me on that.But those dissident movements have, I am very much in awe of and appreciate the energy within them, but I really do wonder where we end up from here with this degree of just rampant cynicism and atomization and social discord.You saw it explicitly during the pandemic.Everybody who was a mask hole, everybody who was a vax maniac, they wanted to see the other side die.Not everyone, okay, everyone's pushing it, but there was a very strong and oftentimes voiced desire that we are the smart ones, we are in line with the science.We can't wait to watch you all rot in the streets like we're in Stephen King's The Stand.Then it was quite interesting When the vaccine rolled out and you started seeing all the cases of myocarditis, you started seeing the heart attacks, the people who died suddenly and all this, and a lot of things that I think are hooey, but undoubtedly the damage done, that cannot be argued against in my mind.You saw the same desire on the side of the anti-vaxxers, the anti-maskers, right?That all of these people, occasionally you would hear people trot theories out that everyone who got the vax would be dead within two years, and now that we're three years in, everyone will be dead of cancer in five years.And then I suppose once we get to that point, those who keep pushing it along, this desire to see the other side disappear.This desire to see the whole thing come down, come crumbling down, I don't know where it goes, but it's obvious that it's very strong.And I fear oftentimes that we're being maneuvered into these psychological states, that perhaps both sides will get their wish. Perhaps both sides will get to see the other side disappear.So, I don't know if that answers your question, but I think that those who cling to the normalcy of the Democratic leaders or any more, those who cling to the cult of personality around Trump in America, they're hanging on to anchors that I don't believe will hold.The Democratic Party, obviously, that's a shit show. And Trump, I just simply, I want to believe that he'll be able to come in and make greater impacts than he did before.I'm not holding my breath. As for all those who are completely disillusioned with those two, you know, very old white men, right?I sense that we're seeing the beginnings of a crack up. And so where does technology sit in all of that?I think one of the real ways in which technology will affect this, aside from being the medium through which these struggles take place, that if you end up in a point where your society is totally balkanized and where many of the people in the society are atomized, they become that much easier to control, especially to kind of craft digital realities around their minds.And with the advent of artificial intelligence as it exists now, we really are facing an era where each individual mind or each sort of in-group can be easily manipulated.They can be easily monitored, their sentiments, their thoughts, their opinions.And then you can craft messages using AI or do it by, you know, in a sense manually, but such as say Obama's rhetoric that was built off of mass data mining.You can, right now, GPT offers the ability that if you can lure people into a relationship with an AI, in the future, I believe, and not too distant future, they won't even know that it is an AI.But at the moment, it's just, it's more of the kind of subtle crafting of rhetoric for any given group or any given person, made much more efficient by these technologies.You can just crank out propaganda without really any limit.And if you have any sort of access to the monitoring systems, if you pay a third-party company in order to monitor certain crowds online, to monitor certain communications, or if you are the corporations such as Google, Facebook, Twitter, or if you are the federal government with back doors into these, You can monitor, and this has been true for two decades now, you can monitor groups, and it's much easier, like if I could sit and watch you in your house day in and day out, it'd be much easier for me to manipulate you.And that is the future that we're facing, and the more balkanized we become, I think the easier it will be to create control systems, even as it looks like opposition.100%. I was intrigued that right at the beginning of the book, I mean you don't hold back, you say early on humanity 2.1, 2.0 will be transnational, transcultural, transgender, transracial, transspecies, and at its extreme edge transhuman, the merger of man and machine, they're ready to create heaven on earth, digital currency will be life's blood. Hard-hitting, I'm wondering, how did you manage looking into this vast subject, which is rapidly changing and advancing, how did you manage to look for the truth and expose what was happening whilst at the same time, I guess, keeping you sane and the reader sane?
I hope the reader stays sane. I'm not sure that I've stayed sane.Really, the two main projects of the book are to look at the ideas of what the future will be and to look at the ideas of what these technologies, how these technologies should be used and of course looking at where these technologies are right now, and imagining the possibilities. All transhumanism is in essence, is it's a response to a rapidly evolving technological society. You have all of these radical technologies and the question of how do you use them. So this has been true from the plough on, right? And if you've looked at comparative agriculture, different societies have done it very, very differently. And with the advent of trains, planes, automobiles, especially automobiles, if you look at the difference in how LA is set up compared to New York City or Mumbai, how these technologies are used are very, very, very different, both because of the quality of the technology and just the organization.That changed everything about the human social structure. What we're facing right now, just as over the last two or three centuries, industrialized Nations have been able to terraform the earth around them to just completely alter the habitat in which human beings live not only within the cities But even without right literally moving mountains without the faith of the mustard seed, What we're facing now is a moment in which you have technologies that can be turned inward that can begin to terraform the human being itself So, the transgender movement is oftentimes pointed to as an example of this.I think that it is one aspect of it, without a doubt, sometimes explicitly declared by various transhumanists, in some ways, maybe even just symbolically, kind of a canary in the coal mine, but you see this radical and oftentimes very disturbing use of technology to completely alter the human.I fear though, Peter, that again, as people focus on these extreme cases, they don't realize that their minds are already being terraformed by the digital environment.Whether it's something good, whether it is Jesus Christ coming to you through your preacher in the screen, or whether it is the devil himself coming through the various sorts of satanic entertainments that have, for decades now, enamoured the youth, it really ultimately boils down to the human being creating a relationship with the machine so that whether you are left or right, whether you are a Christian or atheist, whether you are fascist or communist, I think that the pre-technological way of life, the pre-technological state of mind, say, from let's just pick a random date, the 20s, okay?You've barely got movie theaters at this point. Automobiles are kind of a novelty puttering around. They're not common. The first planes have gotten off the ground. It is very low tech. You're just now starting to understand at that point where these technologies are going to go, but the human being has been left basically intact.Whether you have the kind of proto-fascist or the fierce nationalist movements or whether the communists, yes, the ideologies make a big difference as to the social structure and the direction of the nation, but insofar as the actual quality of the human being, the way in which the human being lives, the type of human being we're talking about, I think that people of that period, just to pick one, you could pick any one of them, people that period have more in common with each other.And we have more in common with each other by virtue of this new technological way of life than we do across, right? So that the fascist of 1930 is really more similar in the ultimate way in which the human being is expressed, more similar to the communist of that era than he is is to the fascist of our era, or whatever.Just pick any ideology, any sort of Christian, Hindu, Muslim, whatever, any mode of being.I think this is really, really important because what we're talking about is a civilizational transformation by way of technology.And conservatives are oftentimes pushing these technologies saying that this is going to empower us, this is going to allow us to win, we'll finally be able to win, we'll use AI, we'll be able to send out messaging and we'll be able to analyze the landscape, we'll be able to create war bots, we'll be able to do all these things.Yeah, that's probably true. But ultimately, when you look at the transhuman vision, the vision that human beings are intended just by virtue of the laws of nature herself are intended to create and merge with and perhaps to give up their own existence to machines that whether it comes from the left, whether it comes from the right, whether it's libertarians, whether it's the communist, capitalist hybrid in China, it really doesn't matter.All of these different facets are just ratcheting it up and ratcheting it up.
And conservatives, oftentimes I think that they have some sort of delusion that we'll be able to go just this far and no further.But that's never happened.And I don't see any reason for it to now. I'm actually, insofar as staying sane, I don't think that, one thing that reassures me, it's you've never seen a global transformation that was equally impactful across the board.So, you have certain centers of power, certain centers of influence, you have certain areas that are gonna be transformed more than others, that have been transformed more than others.Silicon Valley versus a farm in Kansas.So, I don't think, like, when people talk about the future, they oftentimes talk about, like, they talk about it as if every single human being will experience the same thing all at once.I think it'll be very, very different.It'll be very different in rural America than it will be in urban America, just as it is now.It'll be very different in present-day First World nations than it is in Third World nations, just as it is now.But at the same time, at the bleeding edge of that, you are going to see just the same transformation we've seen both socially, psychologically, spiritually, culturally over the last, pick, three decades.That transformation, barring an EMP or barring technical difficulties that no one could have foresaw, we are going to see an even more rapid transformation.The question is, do you belong to that transformation? Do you go along with that?Do you resist it? And if so, what the hell are you going to do?How are you going to live?How do you live outside a system that is completely digitized?If everybody uses digital currency and you say no, how do you buy things?If everyone uses digital IDs and you say no, how do you get the goods of society?How do you be, how are you a person in that society?And of course, you're thinking of the radical technologies such as artificial intelligence, or even the more minor noninvasive brain computer interfaces which undoubtedly do confer certain advantages.If your competitors are making use of these tools and you're saying, no, I'm a Luddite, I'm not going to do it.How do you compete?These are very, very difficult questions. And I can't say that I offer any definite answers, but I hope to at least give some hint that it doesn't have to be the same for everyone all the time.But if you are going to drop out of the system, If you indeed are put off by the notion of merging humankind with machines, you had better figure out some fucking way to live in this world.And as you say, conservative thinking go certain point and no further and this is not about a just about a possible dystopian future, it is about what is happening today and with Amazon and palm payments with Alexa listening to all we say to make our lives easier, with tesla discussing self-driving cars would not have the bother of driving, WorldCoin from open AI.It's all a kind of a vision of the Jetsons, a golden age made possible by technology to make our lives easier.There is a great PR campaign going on that this is all about, we can sit back and just do little and technology will live our lives for us. And many people are happily on that travelator.Yeah, that dream is, again, that's the central thrust of the book is what are these dreams?What do they dream of?And not just the intellectuals, but also people like Elon Musk, people like Larry Page, people like Jeff Bezos, what are their dreams? Because their dreams are going to guide and shape the course of human history.They already have.That's going to continue. Money, wealth, power, political pull, that is always going to shape the world.But you are never going to actually see the full realization of those dreams, right?They're always going to be half of what was dreamt. Material reality will always drag it down to some extent.There's always some sort of glitch.But some version of them are already coming to pass. And as you just mentioned.You've already got the rampant use of digital currency. Most people, most of their purchases are done via digital purchases now.So you don't need a chip in your palm. You don't need a palm scanner.You don't have to be completely plugged into the system biologically in order for all of the desired effects of using digital currency to be realized. They track everything that you're doing, that you're spending, and of course it leaves the option to shut you off, to debank you, and we've seen just a few instances of that.I imagine that since nobody has really stood up and done much of fucking anything to stop it.That will continue. The political enemies will be punished in this way, and I suspect that if our side returns to power in any meaningful way, those same methods will be used on the other end. So when you think about the ultimate trajectory of all these, though, you just mentioned the classic list, it's really like people do not realize where this is going unless they see the mentality behind what kind of person would put in place a system in which you would pay with your palm.Clearly someone who has no respect or caution about the prophecies contained at the end of the Bible, because it's so on the nose. It's crazy. You'd almost think that they're doing it just to mess with the Christian mentality. It is so clearly resonant with the mark of the beast. That includes also the sort of, you'd mentioned world coin, the biometric system that scans the iris and gives you cryptocurrency and allows you to prove that you're human on the internet, and then of course you have Clear, the company that is set up in every airport in America for the most part and across the world I believe, but you've got Clear that you're tying your biometric, your body to your digital identity.It's obvious that it allows for convenience for you. It's also obvious that it allows for total control from the top.One last example that you just mentioned, and it's a really, really critical one.Autonomous vehicles. People have oftentimes said, kind of like with flying cars, which have yet to manifest, well, if AI is so great, why don't they have self-driving cars? Whatever happened to that?A lot of people who aren't paying attention are going to be very, very surprised at how rapidly those will roll out. Already, Tesla and Google and various other self-driving companies, their cars, even though it's a smaller sample size, their cars are actually safer than human beings driving.So that statistically, there are fewer accidents and certainly fewer fatal accidents with these machines.The problem is that when they do happen, like when one of them freaks out and starts running somebody over, or when you hear a story about the car swerving off and hitting a bicyclist or something like that, there is this instinctive reaction to the idea of a machine doing it rather than a human, there's nobody to be responsible for it, there's nobody who could control it, that is really the barrier to these things being rolled out. It's really not a matter of the technology improving, although they will continue to try to improve them, it's really a matter of public acceptance and how do you craft the policy to prove liability in the case of an accident. And once you end up in a system in which you have, let's say you have a dramatic shift in the same way that nobody wore a fucking mask in America until 2020.You you get this dramatic shift in which people suddenly think okay. Well, these autonomous vehicles are much much safer and I don't have to worry some crazy redneck in a truck trying to run me off the road or some ghetto mama, you know, menacing me with her who ride. You just simply turn the entire infrastructure or at least some vast portion of the infrastructure into an autonomous system. And at that point the trucker convoys are a very very good example if you just imagine forward to a world in which everything is autonomous or at least most vehicles are autonomous and the trucks would probably be among the first to convert in that direction.You don't have trucker convoys in that world because it's just a matter of flipping the switch and it's done. There is no individual choice in that if they decide that you no longer have that choice. And it's very, very important going forward that people realize that even if old tech, the rather inconvenient tech, or the older, more traditional arrangements do have their disadvantages competitively, that is really where a lot of our freedom comes from. The organic provides for much more freedom than the digital, at least ultimately, Because the organic cannot be controlled directly, the digital can.I want to just end off on, you mentioned about the biblical side, and that's kind of part three of the book, Reflected Inversion.But just the book itself, it's what, 450, 460 pages, and that might put off people on a topic like this.And yet, I certainly found it that the 13 chapters read like maybe 13 different essays, 13 ways of maybe looking at the problem we face.Is that kind of what you wanted to bring out in the book, that kind of style to present to the viewers so they could dip in and out?
Absolutely. You know, there's an arc from beginning to end. You can see the clear progression, but let's say that you are curious about the origins of this movement, say Ray Kurzweil.There's chapter two for you. Let's say that you want to understand the evolutionary paradigm and how it bleeds over into the technological.That's chapter four.  The people who have, the more astute observers who have noticed the ways in which the great reset or just the entire pandemic phenomena shifted people towards a more digital existence.There's chapter five for you, you know, so on and so forth, the satanic elements.Chapter seven is a comparison of Yuval Noah Harari with Elon Musk.Probably my favorite chapter to write is the eighth chapter, in praise of mad prophets. The real thesis of that is that being insane and being correct are not mutually exclusive. It's pretty astounding how spot on in a symbolic way.People who are schizophrenic or acid casualties, that they were really able to tune into the kind of technological nightmare that was coming towards us, even as far back as the 1700s.So, every chapter is its own little world, but each one bleeds into the other.And for those who are really interested in the religious side of it, the third part is entirely focused on the religious side.The first, the ninth chapter, Images of Jesus is looking at these technological developments in light of what we can glean from the Bible.And virtual gnosis, on the other hand, is looking at that Gnostic element, that Gnosticism being an inversion of the Christian mythos, but then transhumanism being a subsequent inversion of the Gnostic mythos.It's really, I don't think you can understand the deep impulse behind transhumanism, the deep impulse to overcome the body, to transcend the biological by way of technology, without understanding Gnosticism.And I don't think that they're one in the same. I'm not an everything's narcissism kind of person, but the connection is very obvious. It is, in fact, like I say, it's yet another inversion.So my hope is that any reader could pick it up and browse through at their leisure or start from the beginning.I mean, you'd be a better judge than I, but I hope that I used colloquial language and enough fart jokes to keep you moving along.But yeah, and just so that people aren't too intimidated, it's 400 pages minus the meticulous citation.I did, there is a lot of citation at the end, mainly because I don't want anyone to be able to accuse me of making any of this stuff up.Everything in the book is me trying to channel the possible futures that these people are dreaming up.And by the end, I hope that you understand how they connect to the actual technological system that we live in.And I hope that you have the wherewithal to come up with something better, because there's not really any way for me to tell people how to live their lives in the face of this, but I do have hope that plenty of people will be able to chart their own courses through this future.And I have every hope that barring some planet-wide extinction-level event, that human beings, that traditional humanity, that religious humanity will in fact endure, Although I'm fairly certain that we're facing a dark eon, so to speak.
Oh, yeah. Just for the viewer, I read it with one of these, going through and marking it.I often wish that when I have guests on, that the book would be just, you kind of switch your mind off and you can read it.And it usually isn't like that. It's usually wow, wow.And certainly, this is a book, and I think the viewers and listeners will find it when they get hold of it.As it is one that that makes you think. But let me just touch on that last third part before making sure people know where and when they can get it. That third part, I mean as a Christian I found it intriguing, the third part, and you said you start off part three, reflected inversion, the book of humanity has an unshakable herd instinct. Fall on the wrong side of the race debate and you risk being condemned. Fall on the wrong side of the tech debate and you'll be accused of controlled opposition, fall on the wrong side of a religious debate, and you'll be mocked as superstitious. And yet, Joe, you bring not only the Bible and end-time theology into it, into the last part, but you also refer numerous times to your own personal faith and struggles in accepting who Jesus says he is, what the Bible teaches. And I find that intriguing, that you personalized it. Was that a thought at the beginning on how you fit that in to the book, or did that come out as you begun to write the book?It came out fairly early. My main motivation was that I'm writing about all of these different religious ideas, and I thought that I wouldn't want someone to think that I believed those ideas, but I also wouldn't want to convey the impression that I believe exactly what they believe.I sense a lot of times in religious writers, popular religious writers, an attempt to, use the cross as a selling point. They kind of use the cross as a billboard for the value of their work, and so I myself am a Christian, but certainly, one reason I entitled that chapter, Images of Jesus, a Confession, is to give the reader an idea of where I'm coming from on this, whether they find any value in it or reject that perspective entirely, just so that there was, I don't want people tobe under the impression that I'm coming from coming at this from a place that I'm not.And the hardest thing to me in Christianity is the demand for a certain magnanimity, a certain peaceableness, for forgiveness and charity. These things are very easy to put aside when we are amped up in tribal warfare, which we are. But that is in fact, as I see it, the core, not only of Jesus's message, but of many other religious figures across the planet. And it's a mystery to me as to why, but there's one thing I believe, it is that the message of Jesus in the gospel, that you cannot serve two masters, God or mammon, in the message that one must turn the other cheek.I know there's like a million different ways you can wiggle out of that using various linguistic turns, but it's pretty clear as a whole that what Jesus was talking about was a kingdom not of this world and therefore a kingdom whose tactics are not involved with this world.And because that's so difficult, I'm oftentimes averse to calling myself a Christian because I am an asshole.And so the idea of running around waving a cross while continuing to be my manimal self, this is more than I can bear.But yes, the religious element, transhumanism is a techno religion and you can't understand it's religious contours without understanding traditional religion.And so again, my hope is that there is at least enough in there to give you a sense to contrast the two and hopefully, you know, it just either validates or inspires you to explore these things more on your own.I truly do believe that traditional religion, that the spiritual impulse and humanity really is the only thing that will save us.And so it would be impossible for me to leave that out.I think the Apostle Paul, I'm sure one of his verses in some translation was, I am an asshole, but Jesus. I'm sure that is a translation.Let me bring up, for those watching US, probably 25% of our audience, the book is available now.For those in Europe, UK, it's coming out 9th of November. Is that correct, Joe?
Yes. Unfortunately, at least with Amazon, maybe you could get it from Skyhorse Publishing.I'm not sure. Right now, it's available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, bookshop.org and skyhorse.com among other places.So it's possible you could get it from there, but yes, unfortunately the Amazon UK will not have any until November.
I've been blown away by realising the back catalogue that Skyhorse have.I hadn't come across Skyhorse until a year ago.Of course, this is jointly done with Skyhorse and War Room. Just final thought, Joe, what do you want to leave with the viewer when they get the book?What did you thought, did you want to leave with them as they read through it?At the risk of repeating myself, I really think that you have to understand the contours of this transformation that we're under. It's not a conspiracy, or at least as far as I can tell.There are too many parties and there's too much inter-infighting and opposition between them in competition. It's worse than a conspiracy.You just have a tendency in humanity, ambition, the lust for power, the lust for control, that is present across the human race and technology empowers that.When we're talking about transhumanism, the development of artificial intelligence, the development of robotic systems to replace human beings and devalue them, the introduction of brain-computer interfaces or genetic engineering, all of these are about power.If you were to destroy the World Economic Forum today, it would continue in Silicon Valley. If you were to destroy both, it would continue in Shenzhen in China or Beijing.These are mushrooms growing up from mycelium that is pervasive in humanity.In that sense, as this civilizational transformation takes place, I don't think that you're going to do well going forward, if everything is hitting you in the face like a wet fish and you're completely knocked off guard, I think that it offers an opportunity to feel out the future that they are dreaming and that has already been partially realized and hopefully allow you to dream up your own world.What world do you want your children to inhabit and how do you want them to approach the new world that we're facing. That's the key. It is a religious transformation. It is a technological transformation and I think that the only two elements that we have at our disposal are the affirmation of the deepest spiritual qualities that we have access to, and also the, steadfast and just obstinate to insist on saying no.Because more and more these systems of compliance are going to impose themselves on us.You've got a lot of practice during the pandemic and when to say no and how to say no.I think that skill will be very useful going forward because more impositions are on the way.
Joe, thank you so much for joining us. I'll just leave the viewer and listener once again with Dr. Naomi Wolf's recommendation. Joe Allen's Dark Aeon is the first comprehensive critical analysis of the planned post-human future.It will give you great clarity as well as nightmares. Allen has long been our most thoughtful authority on this ill-understood catastrophe, and no one who wants humanity to survive should ignore his warnings here. And people can get it everywhere. The links are on the description. Joe, I appreciate you coming along and sharing the book, which is, congratulations, it is a fantastic book and certainly should be read by everyone. So thanks for coming on and sharing insights from the book.Peter, I really appreciate it, man. Thank you very much.
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The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Lewis Brackpool returns to Hearts of Oak to give us his analysis of the past weeks doom and gloom in the news, articles and we have a look at what he's been up to on his social media. There is plenty to get stuck into including...- No meat, no dairy and three outfits a year: Welcome to Sadiq Khan’s plan for London.- Cash payments in the UK rise for first time in 10 years.- Lewis' recent interview with Matt Le Tissier.- Update on Andrew Bridgen MP's letter to PM Rishi Sunak regarding the Pfizer vaccine.- People injured or bereaved by Covid vaccines ‘speak in code online over censorship fears.- 'A cavity is not a vagina': Trans woman refused healthcare in France.- Police officers and social workers raise fears that more than 500 children from Oldham were being sexually abused last year.- Trans activists try to cancel Richard Ayoade and Jonathan Ross over support for Graham Linehan. Lewis Brackpool is an independent journalist, broadcaster, commentator, reporter and co-founder of GritNews.His writing focus is politics, freedom of speech, news and current affairs.Here he discusses his journey into journalism."I’ve been in the alternative media for a couple of years. I was previously with another company, a Canadian-based company called Rebel News.I started there after being made redundant from my previous job as a flight attendant - or a ‘trolley dolly’ as they say!After that, I thought, ‘Right, I want to get back into politics’. I used to study it for a bit, but my views were completely different to what we were being taught back in the days of 6th Form, with all the programming that they were pushing on people, so I decided to make a YouTube channel.I did that for a year, built up some contacts, networked, really pushed out my viewpoint on various subjects, and then applied for a course to report on Rebel News."Lewis is a rare thing among journalists as he brings uncensored, unbiased and unique information all delivered in his own imitable style.
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Senator Malcolm Roberts - One Nation Australia Have the Guts to Say What You’re Thinking

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We have all witnessed the complete collapse of freedoms under the Covid Tyranny that enforced in Australia. Shockingly only one political party speaks out against this new authoritarian regime and that is the One Nation party, led by the irrepressible Pauline Hanson. Senator Malcolm Roberts, along with party leader Pauline, has been a thorn in the side of the establishment throughout the last 3 years. The media have tried to silence them. The courts have tried to silence them and they have been jeered and mocked each time they speak in the Australian Senate. Yet this attempt to censor them has only emboldened them and increased their stature amongst the public. Senator Roberts joins Hearts of Oak to explain how One Nation have the guts to say what many Aussies are thinking.  
Malcolm Roberts' passion for freedom, responsibility and service are his guiding principles for his work as a Senator for Queensland.  He was first elected as a Senator with One Nation in 2016 and returned to the Senate again in 2019.The early years of Malcolm’s life was spent in India before moving to Central Queensland with his family as his father worked in the coal mines, then later to the Hunter Valley and finally settling in Brisbane.  Malcolm and his wife Christine have two adult children.Malcolm has extensive experience and success from within the corporate sector and as a business owner.   His background in engineering and mining started before graduating with an engineering degree (honours) from University of Queensland. After graduation he worked for three years as an underground coalface miner.  Malcolm rose through management ranks to lead and bring about significant profitability and production improvements at underground coal mines and coal processing plants.A keen interest in business leadership and economics led Malcolm to a Master’s degree in business administration from the University of Chicago’s Graduate School of Business. He led the operational development of Australia’s largest and most complex underground coal project that successfully set many industry firsts.  He then established an executive consultancy specialising in leadership and management services for Australian and international clients.Malcolm brings to the Senate a thorough, practical and analytical approach to examining issues and is deeply committed to listening and thoroughly researching the facts.  He is enthusiastic to work with Queenslanders to understand people’s concerns, connect with people’s needs and work to bring about helpful solutions.Australia’s capacity to embrace its riches and talent has been slowly eroded over time.  Malcolm is committed to optimising our productive capacity by removing excessive government intervention and halting the slow march towards the centralist approach that undermines our ability to take responsibility and have freedom in our lives.
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Interview recorded 10.9.23
 
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(Hearts of Oak)Senator Malcolm Roberts. It is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you for your time.
(Senator Malcolm Roberts)
No, you're welcome and thank you very much for the invitation, Peter.
Not at all. We've had lots of US, European, UK politicians, so we haven't had one from Down Under, so it's great to have you with us, giving us a little bit of an insight into what's happening in your part of the world. People can obviously find you at, there is your handle on Twitter, and they can also find your website which is there at malcolmrobertsqld.com.au it is all there on your Twitter feed. Senator Roberts, you, Senator Queensland with Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party and we have certainly watched what Pauline has done there as a voice of reason in Australia. You've been there since, well really since 2019, But if we could go back a little bit, your background is not politics, it's coal mining.Do you want to just touch on that, because often we see career politicians and your story is quite different.Right, my roots go back to Wales, in the valleys around Wales, the town of Bedlenog.And my grandfather was a coal miner and my father followed him into the mines.And at a young age he got a scholarship to a grammar school, I think it was called, and he did very well and he became a mine manager at a very early age.And then he, to a credit, as a credit to him, at the age of 23 the British coal mines were nationalized, and he knew at the age of 23 that that meant they would be ruined.And so he left and went to India, which took a lot of courage, And he helped set up mines there, he helped manage mines, and then he started selling equipment over there for a very large British company at the time.Then he moved to Australia. So I grew up on mine sites, and I used to go underground with him, with dad sometimes, and I just loved the environment, loved the atmosphere.And so I studied mining engineering and graduated with a Bachelor of Mining Engineering honours degree. And then I decided, Peter, I better go and learn something. So I've worked as a coal faced miner for a few years, and different mines around the country because mining is unlike most other engineering fields. What we're dealing with as an engineer is constantly varying and it and the different approaches to different conditions varies enormously across the sector.And the other thing that's very important in the underground mining sector is the importance of people. Well, it's important in everything, but particularly important in coal mining because workers, very small teams, remote from each other, sometimes kilometres away. And of course, lives depend upon us doing our jobs properly. So I love the underground coal mining and that's where I got my experience and then I worked then briefly, sorry after I left, after I finished working three years as a coal face miner, I went overseas to America and worked for two very large companies and then I came back to Australia, got into management, sorry, got into engineering.I never really wanted to be an engineer. I like the logic of it, but I like working with people.So it was a shortcut for me to get into management. And I moved rapidly through the management ranks and was appointed a mine manager.And then after getting tired of the bean counters telling us what to do, I went to the University of Chicago.And graduate school of business and did a, it's now called the, oh, I've forgotten what it's called now, but it's got a new name.And then I came, I was offered a job in the States and then a large international company headhunting back to Australia to set up a large new underground coal mine where we did a lot of things new in the way of leadership.And that was a lot of fun. And then I formed my own consulting business and I worked overseas and Australia.And I came back from 12 months overseas with my family in New Zealand.And I heard all this rubbish about carbon dioxide causing global climate change, you know?And I thought, this is rubbish.
When was this? 
Sorry?When was this? 
What year? 2005, 2005. When I got back, it was early 2006.And I thought, this is complete crap. And so I did the research, because I won't speak up without knowing the facts.And it was crap, and it is crap. And so I then started holding politicians accountable, journalists accountable, academics accountable, frauds accountable.And Pauline Hanson heard me speak one day and she said, I want you to sit on the ticket with me for getting into the Senate. So that's what happened and I got in.Tell us, because obviously being a climate change denier, that's one of the worst sins, COVID actually is now one of the worst sins, denying that. 
I'm both, I'm both.
I love it, I love it.But how does that, because in Australia you've got a big mining industry.We've seen the US shoot itself in the foot massively by pushing towards net zero, we've seen the UK shutting down their oil fields out in the North Sea, How does it kind of work for Australia in the public? Because that's an industry that employs a lot of people, and yet it's punishing yourselves, punishing your own citizens.
Well, it's insane, Peter. It is absolutely insane, because China produces 4.5 billion tons of coal a year, every year, and it's heading for 5 billion. That is, you know, 20 years ago, it was around about 1 billion, under 1 billion, and then it rapidly moved to 3. And I got caught out by, when I was working with a client in India, and he said, no mate, it's up around 4. So 4.5, now billion, and they're heading for 5, and they're importing our coal. They want more of this stuff because they've got to get steel to make wind turbines to sell to us and to sell to you, and they've got to get coal for making solar panels to sell to us and to sell to you.And they don't put many of them up because they recognize that coal is high energy density, and that's what gives us its remarkable efficiency and its cheapness of electricity.Australia once had the cheapest electricity in the world when we used largely coal.Now we're one of the most expensive, and we've got the highest level of per capita subsidies in the world for solar and wind.And so we are destroying our industry.And get a load of this. We flew over the Gladstone, the port of Gladstone, which is a major port in our state of Queensland. And there I could see, off the port, I could see 38 coal ships ready to be loaded. You know, this thing that's going to be stopped mining.It's complete rubbish. Everyone's wanting our coal. And so, then we flew over the port itself, and there was a coal ship, an overseas vessel, loading coal from Australia to take overseas, probably to China. And there were wind turbine blades stacked up on the wharf.Importing. What we're doing is we're subsidizing the Chinese to make these things.We're subsidizing the Chinese and other foreign companies to install them.Then we're subsidizing to run them because they're so inefficient, they can't work without subsidies.So we are raising the cost of our electricity, which is now the number one cost component in manufacturing. So we're destroying our manufacturing sector, exporting our manufacturing jobs to China.Exporting our coal to China, but we can't burn it in Australia.I mean, it is insane.And, they're so destructive to the environment as well.So, we are killing our industry, killing our future, killing our security, killing our human environment, and killing our environmental environment.It's just nuts what's going on.How did you actually get in to the politics? You talked about, Pauline, seeing you.Politics can be brutal. On one side you can have the recognition, that level of fame.On the other side, I know the media can be absolutely brutal. You're not a career politician.What kind of persuaded you to leave an industry you kind of knew so well to actually enter into the public sphere of politics?
Well, my dad was from Wales, my mother was from North Queensland in the tropics.And they both valued honesty very, very highly.And that was ingrained in me. And I just couldn't turn my back on it.So what I started to do when I first realized it was a scam, this climate change rubbish, I started to write to politicians and journalists and held them accountable.And I just couldn't help myself, but I had to get the data first and do the research.So I did a lot of research, a lot of reading, contacted the most eminent scientists around the world on climate.And I realized that it was complete crap. So, that wouldn't stop me then, you know, it didn't matter.That was far more important because I could see where this was going.The number one protector of the environment.The whale's best friend, the forest's best friend is coal. Because back in your country in the 1850s, people were burning whale oil for lighting, now burning timber for cooking and for heating.And coal came along and changed all of that. And then we didn't have to hunt whales, we didn't have to cut down timber. And we've now got whales back in growing numbers.They're no longer threatened with extinction. And we've got now, I think in the developed continents, the figure I saw was 30% more area in forests than 100 years ago.Why is that? Due to coal. Coal has also been a huge benefit to humanity.Our lives along, you know, I can summarize it this way.A king or queen 200 years ago did not live as well as someone on welfare in our country today, because of the high density energy efficiency of coal, oil, and natural gas, and now nuclear.So that's the stumbling block for wind and solar. They're just so low in energy density.And Peter, we have spent the last 170 years getting away from being dependent on nature for so much.And we finally made it so that we're almost independent.What do they wanna do? Take us back to being dependent on the sun and the wind and the vagaries of nature.It's just insane. 
Tell us about Australian politics, obviously in the One Nation party you're one of two, Pauline being the other, a senator in the Senate there, 76 in the Senate. Tell us about what has been like during that time because COVID tyranny obviously hit soon after you were elected within a year, year and a half. How have you managed to be kind of the voice of reason and how has that gone down in the country?
Initially, it didn't go down to well at all, you know, but as I said, we can't back away from it.And so, if I've got the facts that show a certain position is correct, then I will speak it.It doesn't matter what it is. There's only been one or two things that I've delayed and not on COVID, that was always an urgent thing to get out.But on a couple of other issues, I've delayed to have better timing because we can get savaged.But those things are out.Out in the open now, those things are out in the open too. So it's really simple for me to just tell the truth.And I don't give a damn what people think. And the Greens, who are the most inhuman party there is, anti-human party, they're disgraceful for what they do, what they're doing to children.Families, humanity itself, and to the environment.Their policies are really hurting the environment. The Greens would yell at me and carry on and insult me and interject, but I have never, apart from once, taken an interjection.I just talk my way through it, just keep going. So they know that they won't upset me.And so in the early days, you know, the climate denial business, the COVID denial business, That didn't stop me and it never stops Pauline.They use an even worse tactic with Pauline, they call her racist, but she comes back at them now and just says, criticism is not racism.For me, it was a matter of just telling the truth, having a really strong woman beside me and me being strong beside her, having the facts to back us up, knowing that they're wrong and that I've got duty to protect people's lives.My first speech in the Senate, and every speech that I have over about two minutes, I start with the words, as a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia.When I first uttered those words in my first speech, members of the Labour Party laughed.You know, but that's their job. So I take that very, very seriously. So it doesn't bother me, being slagged by the media. What is more difficult is that the media won't come near me now, because I've embarrassed a few of them, because I have the facts at hand, and they won't touch me.I know that even Sky News, which is the only semi conservative channel in this country, my name is on a list of politicians banned from Sky News, because I was calling them vaccine shills basically and pointing out their errors in what they're doing.We've had the same thing here, all the media on the right have done that and taken the money for pushing the jab. In the UK, I remember my many years in UKIP where we fought for Brexit, it was a single-issue party and therefore we had kind of the support of the media because they were happy to push a single issue which wasn't a wider threat necessarily against the establishment parties, but it ended up being a threat. 
A threat that came to reality. 
I know. 
You guys did really well. Brexit, that was wonderful for the whole world. 
We just wish, others actually, the wish is that we had politicians who knew how to drive this new thing that they have. They've been given a vehicle, they've been given freedom to do whatever they want and our British politicians are looking at each other scratching their heads thinking what do we do with this thing? That's the frustrating thing.If only we had politicians who knew what they were doing with it. But over there.One Nation is a party that has policies on everything and I've watched the attacks of populists, to use a term I guess, across Europe, parties that care about the national interest and put that before the wider interest and they've all suffered hugely. Tell us what that has been like for One Nation, what has been the kind of attacks you've had from the media?Well, as I said, Pauline has been called racist, which is the worst thing you can call an Australian woman. It's very hard to get around that. But she is remarkable. She just does not worry about it.If the truth is there, she goes for it. And as I said, now she comes back and says, criticism is not racism and she's, people know, you know, the first couple of days after I was announced as successful in 2016 and my first stint in the Senate, I was approaching our head office and in Brisbane and three black people from the Northern Territory came to me, Aboriginals, and they said, where's Pauline's office? And I said, follow me, just walk in. And they said they were from the Northern Territory, which has got a large proportion of Aboriginals.And they said they'd come down to Pauline because she's the only one who understood them and the only one who's willing to get off her arse and do something about them.So Pauline has never uttered a racist word, but she has called out racism, and for that she's been labelled a racist.So it's just a matter of.Just being strong in our self, because it doesn't matter what we get called on the media, it doesn't matter what we get called in Parliament. And now, it's very interesting, because when we first started talking about the reality of the COVID mismanagement and deceit, Peter, we were getting called out. But now, starting in about February, another senator walked up to me and said, did you see what happened when you asked your question about the injections? And I said, no, I was too busy focusing on the question and the answer. And he said, well, the Labour Party, who's now in government, at that time in February, they did their usual catcalls and jeers about as soon as I mentioned injection, I don't call them vaccines. Normally, I just call them injections because they're not vaccines. They're an experimental gene therapy based treatment. And he said, after they got over the initial slagging of you, their heads dropped, and they were silent the rest of the time. And now what we're finding is, everyone, all the major parties are now endorsing our call for a royal commission into the mismanagement of COVID. And they're just saying, two of them are just saying, not yet, after the states have finished their inquiries. And so we're getting a big change, the big issue that confronts us now is that we still haven't got recognition of the excess deaths.We've got deaths, 40,000 excess deaths above normal, 40,000.It's more than two Boeing 787 Dreamliner's crashing each week and no one's interested.No one in the government, I mean, if one Boeing crashed and everyone was killed on board, there'd be an inquiry starting straight away.But now we've got two a week on average for a year and no one's really interested.Because they are interested, but they're scared of digging into it.Now we can start seeing, people are starting to talk about it in the communities.Some of the ministers are starting to get defensive about it, because the most important thing I think in this country is we've ceded our sovereignty to the UN policies, to World Economic Forum policies, and probably an even more important thing is the fact that our politicians don't use data.As a business person, I was trained to use data. That's what I did at the University of Chicago.I learned in most statistically sound college in the world, probably, known for its hard use of statistics, and they don't use data, they just use bullshit, basically, make up whatever they want, and we come along with data, and a lot of the issues are coming to us now because we just got the data to start with, and we knew it would eventually work.Well, we have one single MP, that's Andrew Bridgen, and he is simply on the side of of vaccine harm. He actually is further to go I think to getting it but simply on vaccine harm. What is, is that not even being discussed there?Are there politicians who are willing but privately? Obviously Andrew Bridgen was kicked out of the Conservative Party. Is it putting career first before country?Well, my hat's off to Andrew Bridgen, and I've had a talk with him.He seems a very down-to-earth sort of person, no nonsense, so I admire him enormously.We have two parties, your equivalent of Tories who we call Liberals and National Party, and your equivalent of Labour Party who we call Labor Party, without the U in it.We've got the American spelling for some reason. I don't know why.They've both been reluctant to talk about it and the policies right across the whole, the mainstream of politics, they're almost identical.They're not an opposition. They pretend to be opponents, but they're not really.However, there is one enormous difference between the Liberal Party and the Nationals and the Labor Party.The Labor Party, if someone has a different view, they don't dare raise it.They don't raise anything that contradicts their Labor Party hierarchy.In the Liberal Party, most of them, most of the time, are reluctant to speak up or to cross the floor or vote against their party, but there are a few who will, just a few, and no more than three or four, depending on the issue, and it's very, very rare, but they still do it.That's the only difference between the two parties, so it's that ruthless party discipline.It's called discipline. I call it cowardice.And it's also, I call it, betrayal of the people, because they were elected to represent the people, not to put the party first.And so we're starting to see some people in the Liberal Party opening up and talking about the deaths very strongly too. There's no one in the Labor Party, no one.And the Greens, the Greens used to be opponents of Big Pharma.The Greens now are Big Pharma's little play toys and foot soldiers.The Greens are just hideous.
I've seen that. But again, I guess when you look, you thought having Scott Morrison, you thought someone who, kind of, when I look at that, conservative Labor, so the Liberal Party maybe being on the right traditionally at some point, maybe not now, but you kind of thought well he may have actually stood up for something but he was one of the biggest proponents for the tyranny. I mean we in the UK looked down at you guys and really worried, were concerned. I talked to Australian friends and it was heart-breaking that limitation of even travel across state lines, people were being punished. I mean, and then now he's out but he presided over that for for four years. Tell us more about that situation, because it was anapocalyptic situation that you'd see from some dystopian movie. 
Oh yes, you know, to give you one, Morrison lied. He was a notorious liar, control freak. He seemed to change dramatically under COVID, and so many other things in other areas, in climate. He became a climate alarmist. But under COVID, the federal government cannot issue mandates for injections, but it did. So Morrison issued mandates for the Department of Defence, the Australian Electoral Commission, Age Care, and several other agencies.He's the one who bought the injections from Pfizer and Moderna and AstraZeneca initially.He's the one who bought them with federal money, taxpayer money, gave them to the states.He indemnified the states.He shared data from the federal health department with the states, which if he hadn't shared that, there's no way the states could have put the mandates on.So, what was the other thing he did? That's right, the state premiers who put the mandates on in their own states, they injection mandates, forcing people to get injections or lose their jobs.They said that the decision to inject people through the mandates was done at the National Cabinet. Now, National Cabinet was a furphy. It was created by Morrison. It's not constitutional.It's a very closed shop. They don't release anything to the public scrutiny.And National Cabinet is a bogus entity.And Morrison headed the National Cabinet. There was one other thing.He bought the injections.Oh, that's right. He provided them with lots of cash to indemnify them if anything happened.So there's no way the states could have done any injection mandates except for Morrison enabling it to happen.And then Morrison, every day for two weeks early on, said there are no injection mandates in this country.He was driving it, and he knew it was on, he had to know it was on.And there are so many things that Morrison did. And Greg Hunt, you know, Greg Hunt, the federal health minister, said, the world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial.You do not mandate trial, trial drugs that didn't even go on, you're probably aware of it.But we just could not believe what was going on.And so we just called it out. But the press was enthralled and I think their allegiance is to Big Pharma.The public were absolutely terrified.We recently exposed the fact that this goes back to 2008, 2009 with APRA, our Australian Health Prudential Regulatory Agency.Which has been belting doctors, threatening doctors, suppressing doctors, bullying doctors, intimidating doctors, so that they wouldn't report incidences of vaccine deaths and injuries.And we've also found out that the Medical Countermeasures Consortium was the British government, Department of Defence and Health, and the British government, the American government, the Canadian government, the Australian government.That's what drove the injections, the development of the injections, as well as the implementation of the injecting.And so it was, so, you know, we've been calling this out and bit by bit things are coming out.So we'll push every week we give an update on this.
Well, tell us about that, because here in the UK, we've had a COVID inquiry, which probably could be better summed up as a COVID whitewash.It's simply going through the motions. No one really wanted it.We don't have a party in Parliament that's actually pushing it like you have there with One Nation. And the media are slowly beginning to change their tune slightly, although you can go back to the articles and prove they were forcing the COVID jab on everyone, but now they're pulling back from that. What is it like, in Australia with politicians maybe slowly waking up, changing their tune and with the media, is there a slow change happening?
There is a slow change happening in both politics and in the media, Peter.We've had some fairly strong journalists but they've been throttled by News Corp, Rupert Murdoch's outfit, but they're at least a little glimmer.They were a little glimmer all the way through. They'd have little articles about the masks being ineffective and questioning things.They weren't really coming down strongly against things, but they were questioning.The ABC and the other commercial media, Channel 9, Channel 7, and Channel 0, Channel 10 on the commercial TVs, the radio stations, they were horrific.There were people who would call in on talkback radio stations to 2GB and give an alternative view from the mainstream.And they would just be smashed by the announcer. So that was definitely very strong in the media.They were all bought, they were all paid for advertising the injections.They were all part of the hype, which indoctrinated people.But as the injection started getting worse, in terms of their effect, people were starting to wake up.And now, we've got a couple of News Corp journalists from Rupert Murdoch's stable who are doing a good job. Adam Crichton, I singled out, he has done a marvellous job.I don't know if you're aware of him.He's a fairly young economist, very good writer, factually correct all the time.He's their Washington correspondent, Adam Crichton, C-R-E-I-C-H-T-O-N, I think or G-H-T-O-N.He's very, very good.And of course, we've had a lot of people spring up as what I call independent, truth-seeking, truth-spreading, freedom people's media.And the podcasters and Avi Yemini, you know him, Rakshan and others following in the footsteps.Footsteps of Ezra Levant and so on from Canada.They're doing a really good job.And now people do not believe the mainstream media as if they ever did, but now they definitely don't believe it.They question everything. And that's been a wonderful silver lining to the dark clouds of COVID because, well, no, not COVID, the silver lining to the dark clouds of COVID mismanagement.COVID was virtually nothing, really, and it was the mismanagement and the fear and the intimidation, and the wonderful benefit of that, the side effect of it, has been people are waking up and they're questioning things and they're saying, hang on a minute, that COVID, that was a lot of crap in that.They're using the same tactics in climate as they used in COVID.I think the climate change might be crap too, and of course we know it is.So it has been a wonderful awakening, but still we've only got, where we used to have five people awake, five percent, we've probably only got about 15 percent now.So we're badly needing to get to 30 percent. It's growing, but not quickly enough.
We had Avi on six weeks ago, for the second time, and I love watching Avi.He is a firecracker, and I know Ezra, I've met Ezra many times, and I love what he does the Rebel. Without actually probably setting Rebel Australia up you wouldn't have that and I think Avi is absolutely essential, no fear. How does it, with the One Nation Party, how do you put yourself forward because the last three years, I guess any individual or party or media outlet that sees themselves on the side of freedom have had to understand what's happening, understand that actually the government don't want the best for us and that relationship I think has changed. I think in the West we've had a general understanding that government actually want the best for people. I mean talk to people in the ex-communist country and it'd be a very different understanding. So how do you One Nation go out and engage with the public, put yourself forward?We go out into the regions and into the communities a lot more than the other parties. And I think that it's easier for us, Peter, because we can actually go and listen.The others have to pretend to listen, because they've already got their minds made up. They're following instructions. So we can be frank and open with people. And Pauline and I have a reputation for being honest with people. And if someone asks us a question and criticizes us on their policy, we'll listen to them. And we'll do facts. The other thing is we use facts and hard data to back up our policies, but we get a lot of our ideas from the people.So we're in touch and we are able to listen and show that we listen.So that's what we do.I know that I've met Nigel Farage a couple of times, just briefly.He said that he didn't get much media and actually someone told me that's not correct because you actually got a lot of media because of your stances, but they didn't come looking to you, I think looking for you was what Nigel meant, that you weren't readily accessible. But because your policies were so strong at the time, they actually did report them a lot, but he told me that you didn't have a lot of social media back in the early days, not Brexit, but UKIP.It was basically going from one community to another, and just having town hall meetings and getting the word out like that.That's remarkable. I recently did two months or six weeks in the regions of our state, just setting up forums and evenings in pubs, and so it works.We only get, I guess we get more than the mainstream parties actually to turn out, but we might only get a hundred or so people.We know that they talk to other people and they like the fact, people love the fact that we just call it as it is.Some of them say, look, I don't really agree with you, but I like what you're doing.You know, so we use social media, we're very strong on social media, we have the highest engagement of any pages in the country, Pauline and I generally.We're really beaten in terms of engagement and our reach is pretty strong.As James Ashby in our party said, he was the first one to introduce our party to social media, he said, our reach is sometimes far better than the highest circulation paper in the country or far higher than Sky News broadcast reach.So and we've got good equipment for doing live stream and also live crosses to some of the TV channels.But they haven't even got our equipment so, you know, but we make a very important stand and just being honest, data-driven, factual, and telling it like it is.And as Pauline says, her slogan is, I've got the guts to say what you're thinking, and that's correct, and people know that.
Yeah, yeah, they like that honesty. And you mentioned, I mean, Nigel, for 25 years, through UKIP, it was those town hall meetings, it was those one-to-one encounters in the world before social media.But I think today, few people realise the work that is involved on building something up from a grassroots. They expect a tweet to change things overnight.And what you're describing as town hall meetings, that's what it's all about, isn't it?About meeting the public face-to-face and engage with them and understanding those local concerns, which is something that the major parties just don't do.That's correct. As I said, I don't think they can do it because they can't afford to do it because they have to go through the motions of pretending to listen, Peter.They can't listen because to listen, you have to then do something about it and you take it back, and they know they cant.You know, their best senator, without a doubt, their best senator, well, no, that's not true. There's another one in South Australia who's very effective.Certainly one of their top senators has just lost pre-selection.He won't be pre-selected for the next election because he's too damn good.He doesn't cow-tow to the party line, you know. He's more in our mould.They're just afraid and the Labor Party. people know that the party, their party hacks and they just, they just, they're controlled by the party machine in the Labor Party and to some extent in the Liberal Party. So people don't trust politicians, it's just, and yet that's what stuns me, people don't trust politicians and rightly so, but they run to politicians and because the, it must be because we're descended from, most of us descended from convicts because we run to authority, I guess. We need a few more Irishmen over here.
Can I ask you how you kind of build on what you have going forward? When I look at the UK, we were under the control of the EU. As I said, we've got out but don't know what to do with that freedom. What is it like for Australia and Australians? You're far away from many things.You're not under that same kind of economic power base that we had under the EU. Does that mean you're freer to make decisions? How does that kind of fit into that national sovereignty issue?In our early years, we were captive of the British. There's no doubt about that. The British used us to provide food, to provide raw materials, and market for their products. You know, not a big market, but nonetheless a substantial sizeable market.That's been taken over by the Americans because the Americans supposedly defend us.Now I question whether they will or not if push comes to shove and we get into a war, because Britain gave us a lot in terms of our parliamentary representative system, systems of government. The British gave us enormous benefits, but the British only looking after the British. And that's the same with everyone. And the Americans are looking after the American, looking after America when they come to managing us. I recently read a book by Clinton Fernandez, which for anyone interested in Australia, he called it sub-imperial power.Title is sub-imperial power. And he points out that our manufacturing has been suppressed in this country because they don't want us to be a manufacturer.They want us to stay dependent. We've got wonderful resources. We'll be a quarry. Thank you very much.And the Americans control what we do. And we have become their little foot soldiers, a sub-imperial power in Timor and in certain areas of the Pacific.And so we do what the Yanks tell us.And Peter, I've got a huge admiration for America. I worked over there for three to five years.Sorry, worked and studied over there, went to one of their best universities.I then travelled for 15 months. I've been through all 50 states of the United States, and I absolutely admire and love Americans.I detest their government. Their government has become a globalist dictatorship.It's the number one form of terrorist. It's the world's worst terrorist organization.They've killed so many people, destroyed so many governments.So it's the American government that I've got issues with, apart from Trump.He seemed to be a breath of fresh air.But the American government on both Republican and particularly Democrat sides are just tools of the globalist predators.We know that now. So that's our biggest problem, that I think, that we're still, if the Americans wanted to dethrone someone in another regime, we seem to follow them into the war.Just gullible.You know, our foreign minister at the time of 9-11, Alexander Downer, retired a few years later, and he said, when John Howard, our prime minister at the time, came back from the United States, And he was there when the Twin Towers came down.He walked into cabinet when he got back and said, well, we're off to Iraq.No, no, no, no conversation, no, it was just, we're off to Iraq.And I wonder where he got his orders from.They're the kinds of things we've got the guts to ask, but we have to ask it because we're just pawns of the United States. And I love the Yanks.I'm married to one, by the way, and I've got two children who are dual citizens.So don't accuse me of being an American hater. I'm not such an admirer of the United States.I think I've been over there seven times in the last 18 months.So I share your love of the US.Just to finish off.... 
I'm very worried, though. It's declining very quickly.
Oh, it is. It is. 
Terrible.
And I talk to a lot of my US friends, and it is concerning, heart-breaking to see, what is happening over there. So yeah. Just to finish off, can I ask you just what gets you up?Shared about servant, having that servant heart, serving the nation. Obviously the the climate change mantra that's coming is a huge threat to all of our nations.What kind of gets you up in the morning and you kind of, I'm sure there are times when you think, is this worth it? This is just too much of hassle and yet every day. So what kind of drives you personally to keep serving the people in the senate.I love to set people free. I remember when I was a mine manager, when I was a coal face miner I thought, this bloody management is half the problem, the union hierarchy, union bosses with the other half of the problem that many mines. And so when I was a mine manager, even though I was the boss and had supposedly and had five hundred fifty people, working for me in the traditional language. I never said that they were working for me.My job was always to help them get coal out of the ground and get it out safely.I never saw 550 people working for me. I was serving 550 people.That didn't mean that I let them run the show. I was responsible, so that means I ran it.But I would involve them a lot and listen to them a lot because I've recognized from very, very young age, that people are incredibly talented.And the thing that gets to me is how much the globalist predators, the parasitic globalist predators, BlackRock, Vanguards, the United States administration are suppressing people.The anti-human theme, the anti-human, the belief that humans are a pest, the belief that humans have to be controlled.I have never seen that. So wherever I've gone on the mine side, I've gone in there and I've seen people who just don't give a damn because the previous manager lied or the previous manager was incompetent or and you look at them and they won't take responsibility, but you start giving them, because responsibility meant punishment.And so you start giving them authority to do things and say, you know, what would you do about it?Or you put the responsibility back on them. At first they run from it because they've never had responsibility.And they love it, and they're so free.And I can remember walking out of one mine, one late one evening.This is back in 1980s, late 80s, thinking, why am I so happy?What am I feeling good about?And I turned around as I was walking away from the mine, and I saw huge piles of coal.And I thought, well, it's record coal production, but that's not what's making me happy.Safety figures are much, much better.That's not what's making me happy. It's the fact that we're setting people free.And when I arrived at that mine site, the evening shift, who was never in touch with the main mine management, they would always have a stop work meeting, literally every night.Because they're so pissed off with what was going on. What I realized was evening shift, came to work, went underground, came up, went home.We were having record production because the people were free.Now, we also brought discipline in, so it's very important to have that discipline because you can't let everything go to hell.You've got to have discipline for those very, very small minority of people who can't provide their own self-discipline.So it's that sense of freedom. I can see our country had 120 years ago was the number one in terms of income per capita in the world. We had a tiny population of 5 million. We built a lot of the infrastructure we now depend on with those 5 million people. Now we're going backwards, and our people are getting choked. And it wasn't just with COVID, it's before COVID because we're working for the globalist predators. So what I would like to see is Australians set free again, because we're wonderfully talented people, and all we need to do is set these people free. If we got the government out of people's lives, we would have such a marvellous country again.100%. Senator Malcolm Roberts, thank you so much for joining us today and letting us know how you and Pauline are being a thorn in the side in the Senate to the system. I love it. So thank you so much for sharing with us today. 
Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you very much for the invitation. Happy to chat with you, Peter. I've enjoyed it.

Richard Poe - Are the British Destabilising Africa Through Economics and Intelligence?

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New York Times bestselling author and award winning journalist Richard Poe always gives great context and depth to news stories so he returns to Hearts of Oak for a leftfield conversation concerning Britain and Africa. Last year, Italy's Prime Minister, Georgia Meloni suddenly started denouncing French neo-colonialism, blaming them for keeping Africa poor and forcing the inhabitants to flee to Europe. Richard asks if she is focussing in the right direction, is it not the British who are destabilising Africa through economic levers and intelligence operations? We have seen African governments falling like dominoes with 7 coups in just three years. What lies behind these and are they connected or just purely random?
Richard Poe is a New York Times-bestselling author and award-winning journalist. He has written widely on business, science, history and politics.His books include The Shadow Party, co-written with David Horowitz; The Einstein Factor, co-written with Win Wenger; Perfect Fear: Four Tales of Terror; Black Spark, White Fire; the WAVE series of network marketing books; and many more.Richard was formerly editor of David Horowitz’s FrontPageMag, contributing editor of NewsMax, senior editor of SUCCESS magazine, reporter for the New York Post, and managing editor of the East Village Eye.
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Richard Poe, who re-joined us. He was last with us when we looked at his book, The Shadow Party, looking at George Soros and his control, power, and influence. And today we look at something completely different, and that is a thread that he put up on Twitter titled, Are the British Destabilizing Africa?And this is from a video that Giorgia Meloni, the Italian PM, put up denouncing French neo-colonialism and I often think well the Brits did good in Africa but maybe the French and the Belgians and the Germans and they were a bit naughty. But Richard brings his deep understanding, his delves deep into this subject and, exposes maybe why that thinking is not necessarily correct, how the British have been closely involved, look an economic side of it but also the intelligence services and how they operate and look in some of the recent coups, maybe what lies behind that a little bit.So much to pack into this huge subject.
Richard Poe, it is wonderful to have you back with us again.Thank you so much for joining us again today.(Richard Poe)
Thanks, Peter, it's great to be here. 
Great, and we're going to go through quite a bit.Just before we jump in, I'll just say to the viewers, that Richard is well worth following because his tweets actually bring something quite different.Bring the historical side to a lot of what happens and I think the conservatives movement can often be guilty of kind of in your face what's happened that morning and by the afternoon it's old news and just for our viewers and listeners I think Richard brings context often to stories that are happening but whenever Richard is last on we look through his book The Shadow Party. How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and the 60s radicals seize control of the Democratic Party. That is in the description for you to go back and have a look at and delve deeper into that topic. But he is a bestseller on many other books but that's what we stuck on and of course former editor of Front Page Magazine and we've had David Horowitz on with us before. But Richard there, people can obviously find you @RealRichardPoe, richardpoe.com, the website, and Richard Poe on Substack.Everything is in there for the viewer and listeners to take advantage of.Richard, one tweet that caught my eye, and we will delve a little bit into that, is on Africa and the Brits. And as much as I like blaming the French for everything as a Brit, that is our national pastime, sometimes the British have been at fault over history for a few things. If it hasn't been the French, it's probably been the Brits or the Belgians maybe. But there was a statement I think by Georgia Meloni, the Premier of Italy, and she had started denouncing French neo-colonialism and you had put up about the British destabilizing Africa. Do you want to maybe just begin with that and set out why we can't point the fingers solely at the French?Right. Well, basically, I knew something about, let's call it the neo-colonial infrastructure of Africa, because I was actually hired by a think tank, oh, more than 10 years ago to do a paper on that subject. And for various reasons, it was never published, but it was extremely eye-opening. What I basically discovered, to my astonishment, was that the EU, and in particular Great Britain, France as well, but really Great Britain more than anyone else, had essentially continued their colonial relationship beyond the date when these various African countries supposedly became independent, that what they actually did, they being the various European colonial powers, is they simply set up alternate structures through various kinds of diplomatic channels and the UN system as it was being set up.So that the UN today.Really is a neo-colonial structure. And that's really what I discovered in this research, which again, never saw the light of day.A topic I may write about someday in my memoirs. But so I had studied this in some detail, these NGOs and international treaties and such that had been set up for the very purpose of making sure that those European countries which had formerly owned colonies in Africa continued to maintain that relationship.So specifically the Anglophone colonies that were English speaking, maintained their relationship with Great Britain.The Francophone colonies maintained their relationship with France and so on.And in the 1957 Treaty of Rome, establishing the European Economic Commission, or community.This relationship was actually formalized, whereas the countries which had been former colonies, and I think the way they put it in the treaty, they didn't call them colonies, but they said countries in Africa having a special relationship to members of the EEC, would have a certain kind of membership in the EEC.I think they were called associated members.And they would have a special diplomatic and economic relationship with the EEC, trade privileges and so forth.So maybe because I researched this so deeply, I don't want to bore your viewers with so many details, but the bottom line is, so in the last few weeks on Twitter, we've suddenly seen an uproar from, especially from certain influencers with these coups that have been happening in Africa.In particular, there have been six coups in three years.In a number of countries, most of which are former French colonies.In fact, all of which are former French colonies except Sudan, and the cry has gone out that at last the freedom-loving people of Africa are getting on their feet and overthrowing the yoke of French colonialism. This map has been getting wide circulation and all this enthusiasm from people on Twitter about overthrowing French colonialism. So I thought this was remarkable for a couple of different reasons. First of all, I thought French colonialism was overthrown a long time ago, or at least that's the official story. I remember as a kid, you know, in the 1960s, that was the big thing. The end of colonialism. It's all over. And, you know, these nationalist leaders in Africa who had become, you know, the first presidents of the newly independent countries. These were big pop culture heroes in the 60s. And so now so many decades later to say, finally at last French colonialism is being overthrown. So on the one hand I thought that was interesting because it broke with the pop culture narrative that we were all brought up with that colonialism ended decades ago. All of a sudden it's here, it's now, and it's being overthrown in the year 2023. But the other thing that caught my attention is that they were specifically referring to French colonialism, when in fact there were several colonial powers, in Africa. There was Great Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, the list goes on.And in the case of Italy and Germany, their colonies were taken away because of world wars.But still, there were several colonial powers that remained, which still considered themselves officially, quote unquote, responsible for their former colonies, which meant, especially in the case of France, that they would intervene militarily in those countries when they felt there was some need to do so.And the French in particular have done this probably more than any other quote unquote former colonial power, but the British do it too. They just have a more subtle way of doing it.And so this is what I discovered that think tank research had done more than 10 years ago.So that was the second reason that I was, or the third reason that I was surprised by this sudden enthusiasm for throwing off the yoke of French colonialism, because I knew that in fact there was such a thing as French colonialism, and there was in fact such a thing as EU colonialism.The EU itself as a bureaucratic entity has directly involved itself in the management and admin of the African continent.And so I knew all these things, but most people don't.And it just was surprising to me to suddenly see this acknowledgment of that colonial relationship which in the past had been very controversial and hushed up and denied.Can I ask, because I've been reading a book on tax havens and delving into that world, understanding about money flows, and the book basically starts with the French, takes Gabon as an example of how the French set up the president there, and the coup has supposedly removed his son Ali Bongo and they use this as an example of how the French control large parts of Africa and I read that as a Brit thinking you see France have been really bad we're actually Africa should be thanking the Brits for what we've done for education roads and is is that a very simplistic view of Africa. 
Well, when you say simplistic you mean the view that Africa was actually better off under colonialism? 
Yes, because I know I've seen stuff and I've seen even you retweeted the thought that actually what Africa needs is for those colonial powers to go back and to fix it once again. That obviously would not be a popular view in many parts of Africa with the whole conversation about payments, colonial payments, repatriations, all of that. But my simplistic view is, well, Britain could actually fix that, build a few more roads, a few more hospitals, a few more schools, and life would be good again. Is that view extremely simplistic?Well, I would simply have to confess that I don't know, in answer to that question.The fact is, what I'm learning now, excuse me, the research that I'm doing now about the American Revolution and the economic and financial reasons for, the reasons why our founding fathers wanted independence from England in the first place, I'm really learning a lot about the colonial system and how it works.And you know, there are people in America who say essentially the same thing.We're not quite in as bad of a fix as Africa yet, although we seem to be headed that direction pretty quickly.There are people in America who are monarchists and who are questioning whether we were better off under the British, as strange as that might seem to you.And you're seeing that more and more. I think it's being pushed a little bit on social media in some quarters as a kind of PSYOP, and the fact is, you really have to dig to some extent to try to figure out, you know, why did the founding fathers feel so strongly that they needed to get away from England?And there actually were some really compelling reasons, most of which had to do with an extremely oppressive economic system that was enforced by law, in particular by the so-called Navigation Act, whose effect was basically to keep the colonies by force of law in a situation where we had to produce raw materials, food, crops, tobacco, cotton, things like that, and to sell them very cheaply in England and then to get all of our manufacturers from England, where they were beginning to have their industrial revolution and we had to buy them more expensively. And this is the heart and soul of the colonial relationship. The colony produces raw materials and food and sells them to the, very cheaply.The mother country then sells us, the colony, everything that we need in terms of manufactured goods, but they sell them quite expensively. And so there is a permanently enforced balance of trade, which is wildly disadvantageous to the colonized state.And this system is enforced by local corruption, because in order to make such a system work, you have to get local people to support the colonial relationship, and you make them very, very rich, but at the expense of the majority of people.And the best illustration for that in the United States is the pre-Civil War South, the Antebellum South, where you had a cotton-producing economy, which was almost entirely run for Britain.Almost all the cotton was sold, I think more than 80 percent, was sold to Great Britain, which was, of course, at that time the leading producer of cotton textiles in the world.And so some people, like our little Harris family in Gone with the Wind, got very, very rich selling cotton to England.But the way they did it was by enslaving people and making them work for free as slaves.And it was argued at the time of the American Civil War and in the years leading up to it that this colonial system, that essentially the American South had been recolonized by England and that slavery was the result of that. This was argued by certain economists at the time who were sympathetic to the Northern position. They were saying that the institution of slavery in the South was a direct result of the elite southern planters whose livelihood depended on Great Britain, on trading with them.Always having to try to please their British buyers by keeping the price low because the British did have other places where they could go. They were constantly trying to develop other sources of high-quality cotton in Brazil, in India, in Egypt, in other places.And so the southern planters who were what modern scholars would call a colonial elite, they were a small portion of the population who enforced essentially a British colonial system because it made them rich personally, but it was at the cost of everyone else, where the black slaves and the poor whites as well, essentially there wasn't much left for them at the end.And they weren't allowed to develop an industrial economy because that's not what the British wanted. They wanted the South to remain an agrarian society that devoted itself to selling cotton.So this situation actually led directly to the American Civil War, which was the most terrible episode in our history. And I wrote an article about this called How the British caused the American Civil War.What happened is the North started to, trying to impose tariffs on overseas trade for the specific purpose of discouraging the southern planters from selling to England and the British did what they do when their colonial interests are threatened. They sent in their secret agents and their provocateurs and one in particular named Thomas Cooper, who was a British, apparently, intelligence agent. He had first gotten his start going to France and helping to stir up the French Revolution. Then he moved to South Carolina.He became a very prominent, respected person. He was a judge. And in 1828, he delivered a speech calling for secession of the South. And this speech is widely recognized by historians as having been the beginning of the Southern secession movement. So because of that and various other manoeuvres, including material assistance, which Great Britain gave to the South during the Civil War.It is very clear and in fact undeniable, although it's been scrubbed pretty much from our history books. It is undeniable that Great Britain caused and instigated the American Civil War and did everything in their power to help the South win. And you can see British newspapers and political speeches by British statesmen. There was no question that they were on the side of the South and they wanted the South to win and they tried very hard to intervene, including having the French put a very large army into Mexico, putting a lot of British troops into Canada.So, what I'm saying by this, Peter, is that when you look behind the scenes, when you look at the surface, you might think that colonialism, or British colonialism, is seemingly benign, and that it actually helps people who are in a lower phase of development to develop infrastructure and trade and education and health and all these things, that it brings in money, it brings in expertise, and all of that. But when you look a a little deeper, you realize that the intention of the colonializers or the colonizers, whatever.Is not fundamentally a good intention. That what they want is to set up economic relationships that are actually disadvantageous to the colonized country in the long run. And to maintain those relationships, even if it means tearing apart a country in civil war, and in our case a country of people of European and British and Irish stock, especially at that time.It wasn't even a matter of race, you know. It's just when those economic interests are threatened, the colonizing power becomes very ruthless and the colonial elites become loyal to a foreign country instead of to their own country, which is what happened in our South.So, on the one hand, yes, I would agree that this question of were certain parts of the world under colonialism, I don't want to answer with a knee-jerk response to say, oh, out with the colonizers, it's racist, it's sexist, it's homophobic, it's whatever.Yeah, I just threw in homophobic just for the heck of it. Actually, I don't even say that.But I mean, what I'm saying is I hear what you're saying, I hear your question and I absolutely don't go with the knee jerk.Woke or politically correct, autumn idea that colonialism was totally bad.I don't go with it. I think it's a complicated question.But I also think that my research into the colonial past of my own country, the United States shows that our relationship with England was in fact terribly damaging to our country.Even though there were good aspects to it as well, because our own industrialization of the building of the Great American Railroads, all of that was funded by British capital.So it's two sides of the same coin. But if you have a foreign country meddling in your affairs and doing things like causing secessions and civil wars, that's a very serious matter.So what would, what would Africa really be like? The narrative now is, well, look, it's in a hopeless condition.The dictators, genocides, wars, constant military coups, and so forth.And if the colonizing powers came back, maybe everything would be better and nicer.But it's not always in the interests of the colonizing powers to make everything nicer and better.And I guess that's what I'm saying. And I also would raise the question as to what extent, these troubles that we're having today are actually caused by covert interference, by the West and by the former colonial powers.And, I think in this case that we're talking about now with these former French colonies, there's some kind of psy-op going on where, for reasons, let's say reasons unknown.Whoever controls the political discourse on Twitter is pretending to be all excited about these military coups and pretending that it all has to do with some mass movement from the ground level of people who want to throw off the yoke of French colonialism. But the fact is, first of all, these countries, most of them have had many, many coups. It's not at all unusual. They're showing this map, they're saying, oh my gosh, six coups in three years. That's actually not so unusual, for those countries or others in Africa. And the other thing that's kind of weird about it is, are these really French colonies or former French colonies, or are they just nominally French colonies and actually some other countries among whom is Great Britain are actually calling the shots there. And so it gets into this, and so I guess on one level I'm saying yes it is it is simplistic if we assume that whatever the news tells us is correct that once upon a time there was colonial Africa then the colonial powers all left for some unstated reason, which is never really adequately explained. And then supposedly these African countries were on their own and then supposedly all hell broke loose and they all started killing and massacring each other. I think it probably is a little naïve to accept that narrative at face value. I am not at all convinced that that's exactly what happened.And what instead appears to have happened is that the old colonial system was replaced by a new colonial system, basically run by the United Nations system, and that these disorders were allowed to go on.And in fact, in some cases, encouraged to go on for all kinds of reasons.I'll give you one example. 
Yeah, give me an example and then I'll bring up another piece you had up, so go with your example.
One famous example, of course, was the Rwandan genocide in 1994, where now Rwanda was a French colony and, in fact, while the genocide was happening, there were French troops there who were supposedly trying to stop it, and they were very sharply criticized for being strangely ineffective in not being able to stop it, especially since they were modern troops with modern weaponry and these people who were committing the genocide were supposedly armed with only machetes.So there were questions about the French handling of it. But even beyond that, the result of this genocide was that Rwanda, was subsequently taken into the British Commonwealth.Whereas before it had been in the French sphere of influence.And the normal traditional rule of the Commonwealth is that countries who are admitted to it are supposed to be former British colonies, but Rwanda wasn't.It was taken as a special case because the French had supposedly done such a terrible job of not protecting their people that it passed into the proprietorship of Great Britain.And so, I'm not the only person who has to raise an eyebrow and ask the question, qui bono? I mean, if Rwanda passed from French control to British control, and if the pretext for that passage, was the Rwanda genocide, would it be out of line to ask, what caused the genocide in the first place?And to what extent was it possibly even instigated by some foreign power, as was the American Civil War, as we're now learning more than 150 years after the fact.So that's one example. I could give others, but you said you had a point you wanted to make.
Well, because you obviously, in a lot of the information you put out, you're talking about the intelligence services of the West and how they work behind the scenes.But then also there's the economic side.And this was, this is kind of the article I was touching on, let me bring up, this was a Daily Mail article, Recolonize Africa.And you said that it seems to be saying, and this is an old article, 2005, but it gives historical context once again, says it appears to say that Africa's become so violent and lawless that most African countries will welcome, kind of the West, colonial powers coming back in again. But then you mentioned the kind of colonial economic side, I think, when you look at the EU and how the EU keeps a lot of the countries poor through their tax and tariff systems is, yeah.I'm wondering where does, again, the fault lies at the economic side?Is it still the intelligence services working very much within those countries?Is it a mixture of those two?Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? 
Well, I would go so far as to say that I don't believe that the colonial powers of Europe specifically, ever let go of their colonies, especially France and Britain. I think they simply found a different way to administer them and actually a cheaper and more efficient way where they didn't have to physically occupy these countries anymore and they didn't have to be held responsible for things like mass murders and genocides and coups and so forth, that they could have a more rough and ready kind of environment and they didn't have to worry about looking good in the face of world opinion.So in some ways it's actually a better situation for them than the situation they had before where they really had to make everything look good because their flag was flying over these various countries and if they committed terrible atrocities or allowed atrocities to be committed there would be consequences. Other European countries would criticize them and would take advantage. And we see that, for example, in the ruckus that the British propagandists made at the turn of the century over the Belgian Congo, where terrible atrocities were committed by King Leopold II in thepush to harvest rubber, and he basically enslaved the whole people of the Congo and subjected them to terrible, inhumane practices.And the British, for their own reasons, made a huge, big deal about that.This was back in the turn of the century, of the 20th century, in the 1900s.And they made a huge ruckus about it and said, oh, how terrible, look how badly he's treating these people.The part of that story you never hear about is that the British themselves, British interests were heavily involved in the rubber trade in the Belgian Congo and were taking partin all of it.That part is never mentioned. Likewise, there was a similar ruckus in Peru, again over rubber harvesting.Now Peru was officially never anyone's colony since its independence from Spain, but in fact a lot of people don't know that the British basically exercised an informal control of Peru and some say that they still do to this day.And there was another big public relations ruckus over cruelties related to the rubber trade in Peru, which again British missionaries and human rights activists were leading.And it was somehow effectively concealed that the British themselves were deeply involved in committing these atrocities.So it's really a world of smoke and mirrors, where propaganda and psychological operations have really been part of the wholetoolkit of colonialism really since the very beginning, and I believe that the reason the British became the greatest and most successful colonizers in the world is specifically because they are the best propagandists and the best at psychological operations. They basically invented modern psyops, and they're the very best in that field to this day, and that's really what it's all about.It's all about how to do things in foreign countries without seeming to be doing them, or to blame other people for doing them, such as blaming King Leopold II of Belgium for all these atrocities, and he certainly was guilty of them, but leaving out the part that British financial interests were in there very heavily, helping him to commit them.So this continues to go on today, where we have now a very fluid situation, a neo-colonial situation, as the left, as the Marxists named it decades ago, where the colonial colonizing countries are still there, and they're still probably just as much in control as ever were, but no longer held responsible to keep order in the same way they used to be.So it's really kind of a better situation for them.They can get away with a lot more. Now in these, the interesting thing in that article by Andrew Roberts, the British historian, he wrote that article in 2005.A lot of people in our, as you pointed out, in our social media culture think 2005 was, you know, like the last millennium or something. But actually, it's very important to understand what was happening then because,what actually happened is that the EU was in the process then of setting up an elaborate neo-colonial structure which basically controls Africa to this day.And now I mentioned that in the original treaty of Rome setting up the EEC back in 1957, they already had a formal relationship with past and present colonies in Africa which they recognized in that treaty.They call it a special relationship.And in the 1990s, some strange things started to happen.Which is that as the EU became activated and the Maastricht Treaty and the Eurozone, and it started becoming a reality, this thing that people have been talking about since the 1890s and before, It started becoming a reality in the 90s and immediately the cry went up to form an African union.And there was a strategy developed called the Joint EU Africa Strategy.And the motto of this EU Africa group was one Europe, one Africa.And what they wanted was a United Europe dealing one-on-one with the United Africa.So they wouldn't, that is so the European countries would not have to negotiate separately with each little country in Africa.They would have one authority controlling the entire continent with whom they could make their deals and their treaties, whatever those were.So interestingly, Muammar Gaddafi, the late dictator or president of Libya.He came out in, I forget what year it was.It could have been, it was around 19, in the late 1990s, I think.He made a very controversial speech in Libya where he said that the Arab Maghreb Union was a farce.That now the Maghreb is basically all of North Africa except Egypt.And in 1989, I think they had come together to form a regional economic structure called the Arab Maghreb Union. And Gaddafi had been one of the leading people pushing that.It was actually his brainchild, supposedly. But then, I think it was 15 years later, he gave this speech saying, let me tell you the truth.The reason we formed this Maghreb Union was because the EU forced us to do it.They said, we're not going to do business with you anymore because it's too burdensome dealing with each country unless you, unless all the Maghreb countries of North Africa come together in a union, we're not going to even talk to you. So on that basis, Gaddafi got up in circa 1989, and using the language of third world-ism and the non-aligned movement and Arab nationalism.Said that what we need to do is form this union so we can all be strong, all us Arab-speaking countries in Africa together. But then 15 years later, he openly and publicly confessed actually the EU is the one who wanted us to get together, had nothing to do with Arab nationalism, and they basically forced us to do it. And so then he said, let's dissolve this union, let's get out of it.Oh, it was in 2003, I just remembered. It was in 2003, so this was post 9-1-1, it was after Afghanistan and Iraq had been invaded, so things weren't looking too good for Arab nationalism at that moment. And so Gaddafi, getting with the spirit of the time, said the Arabs are finished, they're a laughingstock, and we want nothing to do with Arabs anymore, even though we're Arab speaking. We are now African. And then he came up with a new idea. Let's have an African union, he said. Now, actually, he had already proposed the African Union. It came into being in the year 2000, and supposedly Gaddafi was the one who thought of it and was the founding father of this African Union. But, you know, in 2003, he confessed that the last time he pulled that manoeuvre with the Arab Maghreb Union, it was the EU forcing him to do it.Should we imagine that on the second go-round with the African, that he suddenly became the third world Nationalist that he always claimed to be or was he simply like Scarlett O'Hara and all those southern planters in the United States in the antebellum South, was he simply, lining his own pockets by doing business with the colonizers and going where he thought the power was.Well, it looks like the latter.And that's how colonial elites work. You know, people are not that idealistic, unfortunately.I wish they were, but let's face it, they're not.You know, people will go where the money is, and that's just how it is.And so they formed this African Union to the cries from the EU of one Europe, one Africa, And they started signing all kinds of treaties and putting forth all kinds of policies that were completely mysterious and unknown to the African people who have enough of a struggle trying to get democratic government as it is.But now all of a sudden, whatever democratic structures had been set up at a national level in the individual countries had suddenly become obsolete because now the EU was talking directly to these officials in charge of this thing called the African Union.And the African Union was empowered to make treaties that could be enforced on all African countries. Imagine that.So, now that we've had the African Union since the year 2000.And one of its rules, supposedly, is that you're supposed to have free elections which are monitored by international authorities and absolutely no military coups.Military coups are strictly not allowed.And yet, since then, we've had the Arab Spring.These colour revolutions and civil wars in the Western powers, and now we're having these, continuing to have these coups, which everybody is cheering about on Twitter.All of this is supposedly, supposed to be impossible and illegal under the African Union and should trigger military interventions by the African Union.I think they call it the African Union Peace and Security, something or other, which basically mobilizes peacekeeping troops and also arranges to have European troops to come in, in order to fix problems, whatever they are.And so the mechanism actually exists in Africa probably better than anywhere else in the world where you have a transnational authority, the African Union, which actually has the real power and the real willingness to bring in heavy military force whenever they like, to stop things like military coups from happening, and yet they're still happening.Why is that? Why is that?I'll pick up on one thing as we finish. Realizing the Gaddafi started African Union changes my whole concept of it. That blows me away. But the fact that when you look at the EU, the EU, European Union, has been hugely successful at control within Europe economically.There are lots of questions that the EU has never been able to rise above and be a economic bloc, I guess, to rival the US, which was always the dream, probably, of the EU and the European Economic Community before that. But it's full control of EU members and if the EU can punish and has done with those in Eastern Europe for many violations on tax, on faith, on immigration.But the African Union, you don't hear of it as having that much say or power.It hasn't brought together those countries.Can we just finish just maybe touching on that, that kind of comparison between one bloc in Europe that has worked certainly for control, the African Union, is that by design or are there other reasons behind that?
Well, I think it's by design that the African Union is weak. Is that what you're saying?That it really doesn't exercise the authority it's supposed to. I think it's by design.I think it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to create a central authority for European powers, especially Great Britain, which really masterminded the whole thing, in my opinion.And if you, I would just like to leave your audience with one point, which, is that article you showed by Andrew Roberts, where he said it's time to to recolonize Africa. That was in 2005.That was right after Tony Blair had done his African, Africa commission and they had mapped out this whole plan for basically re-colonizing Africa through the African Union and through other regional structures.Now in that article, Andrews actually says, he actually states that the French and the Germans will not be allowed to re-colonize Africa, that only English speaking countries.He actually says the United States and Great Britain, and with the support of New Zealand, Canada, and Australia, will be the ones to make this happen.The French, because of their cruelty in the past and their mishandling of all kinds of colonial situations, will not be allowed to have anything to do with it, nor will the Germans, because look what they did when they were colonialists back before World War I.You think 2005 was a long, long time ago, but he, Roberts actually evoked what the Germans did before World War I as a reason why they will not be allowed to take part in this great project of colonizing Africa.So now all of a sudden we're getting all this propaganda from Giorgia Meloni of Italy and from big influencers like Ian Miles Cheong.I don't mean to single him out, but he wrote this extraordinary tweet saying, yes, the people of West Africa are rising up against French colonialism.We're going towards a multipolar world. Hooray. Some words to that effect.He linked it to the whole idea of multi-polarism.And what is that all about? That's about overthrowing the global hegemon, the USA, which is supposedly the cause of all evil in the world.Overthrowing the USA, stripping us of our power, so then power can be decentralized among various countries. And so certain influencers such as Ian Miles Cheong is out there celebrating and saying, yes, out with the French, out with the French. Is it just a coincidence that Andrew Roberts, when he first publicized this recolonization plan, he expressly said the French are out.We will not allow the French to take part in this now, all of a sudden, so many years later we're hearing that cry again that the French are out. And some of these French countries, French colonies, so-called, one of them Guinea, maybe on another, we don't have time to talk about it now, but I have massive evidence that the British are really effectively in control in that country, Guinea, and running things in an extraordinary way, quite openly, including Rio Tinto, the mining company, the Anglo-Australian mining company, and Guinea has more than one half of the world's bauxite deposits, aluminium ore.And Rio Tinto has been trying to get in control of that, working with the Chinese.And it's interesting that, you know, the cry goes out, you know, from all the usual sources, the US State Department and what have you, oh the Chinese are taking over in Africa, that's one of the reasons why we have to go back in there and otherwise the Chinese are going to take over everything. But I notice whenever the British get involved with something, they somehow bring the Chinese with them. I'm not sure why they do that, but it's a little strange, what can I say?
Well, we'll leave it on a cliff-hanger, that, about the British involvement there, and we'll pick up on that. Richard, I really do appreciate coming on. As I said at the beginning, I love reading your tweets and how you expand on so much. So thank you for joining us today and going through that Africa tweet, which is one of your latest ones. Thank you for your time.
Thank you, Peter. Always a pleasure.

The Week According To . . . Caroline Farrow

Welcome to our weekend edition of free speech and straight talking as Caroline Farrow is back for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving her unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and what has caught her eye on social media.In the cross-hairs this episode......- Extraordinary case of a young woman suffering from Charlie Gard condition who is battling medics' attempts to 'condemn her to death'.- PETITION: ‘Let Me Live’ – stop hospital withdrawing treatment:  https://citizengo.org/en-gb/211802-19-year-old-girl-says-let-me-live-stop-hospital-withdrawing-treatment- Graham Linehan has been stopped from speaking at the Tory Party Conference by The Police because he stands up for women. - Gender neutral school uniforms are not neutral at all.- Woke police are damaging public trust: Home Secretary orders investigation into officers ‘pandering to politically correct causes’. - 'Hate Speech’ laws threaten fundamental rights.- Paedophile changes gender and avoids prison.- AB 957: California has gone full-blown loco! They’ve passed a bill that could snatch your kids right out of your hands if you don’t bow down to their gender-transition agenda.- Why the Online Safety Bill remains a huge threat to London life.- Energy bill authorises “Reasonable Force” to install smart meters that allow authorities to turn customers’ energy on and off.- Lolz: 510 ULEZ camera related crimes in just five months says Met Police.
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Jake Lang - J6 Prisoners Battle for Freedom Heading to the Supreme Court for the First Time

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Jake Lang joins us once again from his DC prison cell. He is being held for his crime of being at Capital Hill on January 6th 2021 and like many of his fellow prisoners he has suffered many months of solitary confinement. In the last few weeks Jake and a group of fellow prisoners have submitted an application for their case to be heard at the Supreme Court. This is a huge breakthrough and could be a gamechanger for the hundreds of individuals held without trial. The system fears the J6 prisoners not because they are violent or have done anything wrong but because they love their country and their President, Donald J Trump. Jake shares how the public can financially support him and the many others through J6legal.org and through prayer. One thing that stands out in this interview is Jakes strong faith and resolve and how that has kept him going.
Political prisoner Jake Lang is serving time in Washington DC for his actions on January 6th.Jake, a Jewish Trump supporter, has been held without trial and abused in the DC Gitmo for over a year and a half.He was trampled when Capitol Police attacked and then without warning pushed Trump supporters down the stairs outside the US Capitol in Washington DC.Jake was buried under several people when the Capitol police continued to push protesters on top of him.He was next to Rosanne Boyland who was trampled as the police pushed Trump protesters on top of her.Jake saw Rosanne die.He also saw Philip Anderson’s limp body that was lying next to Rosanne as the DC Police continued to beat, push and pepper spray the protesters on the ground.That’s when Jake decided to take action.Being a former wrestler, he was able to save himself and then he pulled Philip to safety.His rescue of Mr Anderson was caught on video, The entire time he was pulling him to safety the police continued to strike protesters with sticks and attack them with pepper spray.Jake saved Philip Anderson’s life.Then he went back and confronted the police who were still attacking the Trump supporters.It should be noted that the Trump crowd was entirely peaceful until the Capitol Police decided to fire flash grenades on the men, women, children and seniors who had gathered outside the US Capitol.
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Jake Lang, who rejoins us.He was with us last year and he joined us to discuss an update.He, of course, one of the J6ers incarcerated. He joined us from his cell in D.C.And he shares a big move in the right direction, which is an application that is being submitted at the Supreme Court for them to be involved in this.No one is really wanting to be involved with the J6ers. the hundreds and hundreds of individuals who have been locked away with no access to justice.And Jake joins us to talk about their trials, talk about his faith, which has kept him strong through this.The engagement with the prison officers, with other prisoners and how the Republican Party have really done little to help them and just want the J6ers to be swept under the carpet as a problem.They hope to go away.But he talks about their legal fund, J6legal.org, and also shares how you can remember them if you're a Christian in prayer.
Jake Lang, it is wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for joining Hearts of Oak today.
(Jake Lang)
My brother, thank you for having me on. God bless you guys.God bless you. And I want to actually touch on your faith, which I think gives you strength.And as a Christian, I am encouraged that you are holding fast to God. But let's take slightly back. Can you give us an update? We spoke last year and it seems to be that it's been chaos has suddenly opened up in regards to those who have been held for J6. So what is your current situation, Jake?So, Peter, I have been held as a political prisoner in the United States of America.I'm actually in Washington, D.C. jail right now, about five miles from the United States Capitol.I've been held here for almost 1,000 days now. It's about day 972, I believe, without a trial here in America for my actions, for my patriotic stand that I took on January 6th at the United States Capitol to help protest a stolen election that the Democrats orchestrated against our then sitting President Donald Trump.It was like a communist coup d'état.Joe Biden, a puppet regime leader bought and paid for by China, was installed as our president.And since then, his Department of Justice, his FBI agents have wreaked havoc on America, arresting thousands of other patriots and just hard-working, regular, everyday Americans for their protest on January 6th as well.So it's, I mean, it's one of the most incredible situations.You know, America's always pointed out other countries for, you know, how they arrest their political opponents and keep them in these gulag-like conditions and solitary confinement and torture them.Now here we are in 2021 to 2023, nearly three years now, I've been held as a political prisoner here in America.It's quite disheartening and saddening, but like you mentioned, we know God has a plan.
Amen. Can I ask you, when we spoke, you shared that you were held in solitary confinement for some of that time without access to actual people.What is the current situation like and just can you remind our viewers what that was like.Yeah, so the current situation, right now I'm in Washington, D.C. jail.Before I spoke to you, I was across the Potomac River in Alexandria, Virginia, in a solitary confinement holding area over there.For six months, they had me.So at the last about 33, 34 months, I've been incarcerated. About 20 of those months have been in legitimate solitary confinement conditions where I'm I'm in my cell 22 hours a day, no human contact, rarely get to go outside, just a deprivation of humanity, what human beings' rights are afforded.I know there in Great Britain and in the UK especially, you guys really have a different standard when it comes to incarceration and the rights that are afforded to people who have made mistakes.Unlike me, just being a patriot first of all and second of all pre-trial detainee who has not been convicted of any crime. I was tortured as well as many other Jan Sixers with this 22 hours a day inside your cell only sometimes it was even 23 hours a day or more and even locked in our cell for weeks at a time for refusing to take COVID tests and you know once every three or four days afforded, you know, a 10 minute shower.So I mean, it was definitely, it was definitely a trying time, persecution at the highest degree for political opponents, for Christians and conservatives here in America.This is what the Biden regime, Joe Biden, the death and the progressive ultra liberal Democrats really represent here.They want to torture, you know, red blooded, good hearted, everyday American citizens. and they did just that to me.I am in prison. I'm in the January 6th Patriot Pod right now, Peter, which is about 40 other January 6ers here with me.The conditions are a little bit better. We're still definitely not being treated as humanely as many other prisoners across the country. There's still a huge political bias and the restrictions they have on us.But we're together at least. It's a group, it's a family. all the Jan 6 Patriots, we pray together, we make meals together, and we're in this battle together.So it's definitely a better environment than solitary confinement, but far cry from what's humane.
Jake, you mentioned you're in prison in Alexandria and then over in DC.I was just literally back just days ago from being in DC and Alexandria.And it's amazing, you walk around and you wouldn't know that there are many people like you who are locked away.I think the Democrats, the system has done a great job in trying to hide away what they have done.Yeah, that's a great point. I guess we're like hidden right here in plain sight. We're, you know, just a few miles away from the United States Capitol. Outside my small little cell window, I can see, you know, normal everyday life carry on. For me, it seems like such another reality. I mean, being here for two years and nine months now, and growing accustomed to, you know, the prison lifestyle. I've been moved to 13 different prisons, 13 different locations since I was arrested 10 days after January 6, 2021. And, you know, this new world I've had to adjust to is very different, you know. When I'm not in the Jan 6 Patriot Pod, when I'm in a general population, you know, with other actual criminals and convicted felons and very dangerous people. You have to really adjust and it's a whole different way of lifestyle. You're up, you know, as soon as the doors crack open, you're up at 6 a.m., you got to have your shoes tied on tight, you get out of your cell, you're working out, you're, you know, watching your back, you're taking your shoes with you to the shower, you're not getting caught in your cell alone, you know, and you have to maintain your integrity and maintain your Christian walk of faith and, you know, God has supported and helped keep me safe through all of this, baptizing people in the name of his son Jesus Christ.Baptized eight men so far since I've been locked up, every single one of them awesome guys and leading Bible studies and just trying to walk this this walk of persecution without jeopardizing my moral fibre and my integrity and becoming some kind of, you know, encaged animal like they're trying to make us, you know, prison kind of changes people, but you have to walk with Christ or else you will be totally drowned in the violence and the horrible atmosphere that is prison, and you will be changed.Permanently. 
Your story kind of reminds me a little bit of Paul and Silas whenever they were, imprisoned through no wrong of their own. That was simply for evangelism. You've been imprisoned for something which seems nothing. But again, you touched on your Christian faith. Can I ask you just once again, you mentioned praying with other prisoners, baptisms. Your faith has not been diminished since you've been in jail. That's what I'm hearing from you.No, not, I mean, that is the understatement of the century. My relationship with Jesus Christ, my closeness with God's Holy Spirit, and my just absolute reverence and love of God in all ways, shapes, and forms has grown tremendously.That silent, reflective time that you are forced to have when you're alone in your cell with the Bible and with God and with prayer and with fasting and with worship, that time that you spend getting to know Him and revealing yourself to Him and having Him reveal Himself to you is indescribable.The fellowship and the relationship, closeness and intimacy is the greatest gifts of my entire life.What the devil intended to destroy me and destroy a lot of the other January 6th political prisoners, has in fact lifted us up and increased our faith and made us grow much stronger in the Lord and turned us into men of really resound conviction that does not falter or fade or tremble at all throughout this entire process.I've never had a single bad night, a night where I cried myself to sleep, I've never had any of that. The prosecutors in Washington DC Department of Justice, they want to try to destroy and break men and destroy their families and keep them away from their wives and their kids and you know mortgaged houses and impounded cars, butthrough all this, we know that we're serving a purpose, that God is not a God of random chance, that He is a God of orchestrated, divine purposes, and that we are serving Him, and that being persecuted for righteousness' sake is one of the greatest graces that you could ever, ever have in God's kingdom. And I'm really grateful for God for choosing me for this battle.Praise His name. 
Amen, he has given you strength to endure. Can I ask you, some people may look at you and think, well there's Jake, he was an activist, he was involved politically and he deserves some of it, but when I've talked to many people who were there, they simply were, they went because they wanted to see what was happening, they wanted to take pictures out of curiosity because they were patriots. It wasn't any intention of anything past patriotism.You're just a normal, regular guy. That's kind of what I read about you.Yeah, well, I mean, that's the beauty of January 6th, was it was a million unarmed American civilians simply there to support President Trump and maintain the integrity of our election saying that we do not stand, we do not consent to this stolen election.It was rigged.You know, there's no way possible that Joe Biden got 80 million votes, 10 more million votes than Obama, who is by far like the most superstar politician that the Democrats have ever had.There's 0% chance that Joe Biden got, you know, 10 million more votes than Obama.So we were there just, you know, I was there in a business shirt.I had slacks on I was in New York City the night before where I live at a business meeting at a very important business meeting that I had. I'm an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur people there the guys that I'm locked up with.A majority of them are veterans, Marine Corps, Air Force, Navy, these guys are, I mean, the salt of the earth, they're electricians, plumbers, carpenters, roofers, school bus drivers, teachers, I mean, you name it, these are not, you know, this is not some type of organized, you know, professional lobbyists or politicians or whatever, these are the heart and soul of America that's been locked up and been caught up in this.And that was one of the beautiful things about January 6th, was the diversity and the wholesomeness and the humble, just regular everyday citizens that showed up to defend our country, not with any violent means, but with peacefully protesting.And as the world well knows now and is learning every day, the Capitol Police launched a vicious attack on us. They murdered four unarmed American citizens. None of the Capitol Police died that day. There were very little injuries. They really used all these chemical weapons on us. Rubber bullets, steel batons, riot shields, chemical sprays, and tear gas, and all kinds of stuff on just a peaceful crowd. And they riled it up into what you guys saw.Instead of backing down, we did as, you know, Americans do, 1776, revolutionary. We didn't back down.We held our ground, and we actually made sure that we took them packing and running and hiding.When they tried to come after us and kill us, we sent them running for the hill, which I think was a symbol that the American people and that the world should look at and see that the American people are still strong.We won't back down to tyranny.I don't like to point fingers, but certainly from this side of the Atlantic, from my uninformed position, I feel as though the J6ers have been not necessarily abandoned, but it's not a topic that the Republican Party conservatives want to engage in. They're busy doing other things, and, what you're facing is an anomaly, something difficult that they just want to brush under the carpet. What kind of support have you had from conservatives over there in the US?
Well, the everyday American conservative, I mean, the support of the January Sixers can never be understated. We've received tens of thousands of, personally myself, I've received nearly 10,000 letters since I've been locked up. We, you know, have prayer groups that go on every night at 9pm.We have donations raising fundraising things, happening for us that are just outstanding the way that people show their love and support and if anybody listening actually wants to support all the January Sixers in our legal battles I started a legal fund that's helped out of dozens of Jan Sixers and hundreds of families so you guys want to support that just go to J6legal.org that's the letter J number six legal org and you guys can help out there but more to the point of your question, which was, what about the establishment?What about the mainstream media? What about the congressmen and women, the senators, and the people that actually have power?You're completely right in your assessment, Peter, that they have kind of tried to just brush it underneath the carpet and not talk about it as much.For example, yesterday, Enrique Tarrio, the chairman of the Proud Boys, got sentenced to 22 years in federal prison.That is 22 years, Peter. That is very serious time.That is what rapists and murderers, some of them don't even get that much time at all.And it's absolutely egregious. And if we really had a real conservative, real patriot Republican Party, which has been infected with a lot of half-hearted constitutionalists and people that just are going along to get along to Washington, D.C.If we had a real Republican Party, there would be 100,000 people outside D.C. jail today protesting with senators and congressmen here that represent us and the districts that we're from, all these American citizens.But they really have just fallen so short. It's so pathetic when you think about it.Their stand on this because, you know, I think the everyday American, we have tens of millions of supporters want to see so much more from our congressmen, especially those who have platformed and campaigned underneath Trump.We're Trump supporters. Trump speaks about us often.Where are the people that are currently sitting in power? Where are they helping us out? They're not.Tell us again, at j6legal.org, people can go and fund your fight. Is that, the support you've had from the public, those small donations, is that how you've been able to actually fight against system? Because a legal battle in the UK is expensive and in the US is even more expensive. So tell us more about how people can support you and your fight.
Yes, so the J6legal.org organization that I put together is 100% transparent.I run it here from my prison cell with a handful of volunteers on the outside that are just awesome people.And we do some hard-nosed negotiating with the attorneys here in Washington, D.C.We find some that lean more conservative and are more willing to help us out.And we're retaining attorneys to go to trial to negotiate plea deals in some cases, to do appeal cases because a lot of people have lost or taken pleas and they're not satisfied so we're you know we're helping out people, we've currently pretty much run dry of our funds we've helped out I think about 17 or 18 total January Sixers retain attorneys, fight their legal battles and stuff with the money we've raised and we definitely are in another season right now where we're relying on the people of the world, American people our brothers and sisters across the pond in the UK to help us out.So whatever God puts on your heart to support the brave January 6th patriots who stood up to defend the Constitution of America, to defend freedom worldwide, as America goes, so the world goes, please go to J6Legal.org.
(Prison Phone)
You have one minute remaining.As you said, Peter, it's definitely not a cheap fight, it's expensive, lawyers cost money, things cost money, and we're doing the right things with it.And, you know, it's run by a Jan sixer for the Jan sixer. So definitely the best place you could put your money if you're looking to help the January six Patriots.Thank you for bringing that up.
Jake, you mentioned J6Legal.org, how individuals can help you across the country, and I looked up the GiveSendGo part of the website, and people giving twenty five, fifty, a hundred, two hundred pounds.It's that grassroots support. I'm assuming, and tell me if I'm wrong, that the Republican Party have not given you and the J6ers a blank cheque to fund your campaign? How have they financially supported you as a party?That has been non-existent, it's been disappointing knowing that these are supposed to be our representatives from our home states, people that we voted in, that our communities voted in into power, and to see their abandonment, it's been really sad.There's been very few that have the gall to stand up and to say, why is the FBI and the the Department of Justice and the federal prosecutor has been weaponized in a two-tier justice system.If you're a Republican or you're a conservative or you're a Trump supporter, you get these ridiculous prison sentences, these biased DC jury pools.You get basically railroaded through the court system. And if you're a Democrat and you've been rioting, you know, the Summer of Love, Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots, all 2020, and you've, you know, burned down federal courthouses or attack police officers out in the streets of Seattle, then you get just a community service desk ticket.And if you're a January 6th patriot, you get 10, 14, 18 years in prison.So it's been disappointing. The Republicans have fallen short of our expectations, but I think that this is going to be a huge rallying cry, especially now that President Donald Trump himself has been arrested for his involvement, I guess you could say, with January 6th.And he actually has got the same charge that I got, a 20 year maximum felony charge called obstruction of Congress that,It's very serious and he's facing that charge now. So I actually wanted to update the audience about some Supreme Court action, the highest court of the land that is revolving around me and Donald Trump right now. I filed in the Supreme Court, Peter. 
Yes, tell us more about that, because we've seen Enrique Tarrio who obviously with his 22 year sentence, we've seen President Trump being indicted time after time again. Tell us about this Supreme Court, because that is a move forward, because I see it that many of you have been stuck in the system.And tell us more about the Supreme Court.So, no problem. Yeah. So basically just about two months ago now, my team, my legal team put together by the J6 legal fund, was able to file a certification letter, it's called, but it's just basically a legal filing to the Supreme Court on this obstruction of Congress charge.And what the filing really focused on is that the law code is being perverted and obfuscated and very widely, broadly used, basically, this particular law code, the 1512, and many others, to persecute the political opponents of the Democrat Party.And basically, you know, they have weaponized the law and used it to try to smash and quell and threaten and coerce and imprison Republicans and Trump supporters.And that is kind of like a hallmark of a third world court system, of a kangaroo court.It doesn't happen in America. When one political party comes into power in, let's say, Lebanon or Sudan or something like that, the first thing they do is they start to imprison and wipe out all of the former political party leaders and supporters.And that's exactly what's happening in America right now, and that's so un-American.We're supposed to have a healthy political system here, that when one party's in power they don't use their power to persecute the other party.And that's what we're seeing happen to our law code. So that's what the Supreme Court filing is really asking our judicial branch to work out here.Like, we need you to step in to basically stop this ridiculous persecution that the Democrats and the executive branch are using to persecute Donald Trump supporters.And Peter, this could be, this is probably the largest Supreme Court filing in recent memory because if we win in Supreme Court. And we get this obstruction of Congress charge dropped, what they've charged hundreds of Americans with that are currently sitting in prison during prison time for, and they charged Donald Trump with, it could be a massive clearinghouse for all the January 6th defendants that are sitting in prison, and also keep Donald Trump himself out of prison by dropping his charge that we win in Supreme Court.So this is huge, the political implications are massive, and it couldn't come at a more, ripe time because the 2024 elections are right around the corner.And you know if Trump is imprisoned while trying to run a campaign that's not going to be good for the Jan Sixers or for this country. We need Trump back in office badly. 
100% and the more they hit him the more popular he becomes and I kind of always thought what you're facing and the rest of you in jail, it would need Trump getting back in to the White House and that is what 18 months away, 16 months, if God allows that to happen if the establishment let happen, but this Supreme Court seems to be a step forward and to me that's why it's exciting because it seems to be there is hope before Trump could get back into the White House. 
Yeah God willing you know we're the first chance 16 to push our case up to Supreme Court. It's no small feat to file your case in Supreme Court. It took a large legal team and it is very complicated, but you know, very blessed by God to have the opportunity to stand and fight for the guys. And you know, what is now a conservative-leaning Supreme Court, which is to our advantage now. They struck down Roe v. Wade, the abortion act...So, you know, we have a big blessing coming our way if God sees fit to grace us with his favour on this. That'll be huge.And, you know, my guys in here, we're very excited for it because it's been mostly just one bad case after another with, you know, going to trial in Washington, D.C.These juries here, you know, 96% of D.C. residents voted Democrat in the last election, in the election before. And they hate January 6ers, they hate Donald Trump, and when they get into a courtroom to try to judge us fairly, it's anything but fair.Everybody's just been found guilty on all charges, and it's just like a Soviet style like show trial. You're guilty before you even walk in the courtroom. So, hopefully we get a win in a real courtroom that's not, you know, been tainted by this, you know, hatred for Trump, the Trump derangement syndrome they call it here in America. 
Oh yeah it's it's alive and well and what you embody not only in the J6 prisoners but in MAGA itself is a patriotism and a love of country that goes against the establishment. But can I ask you about in prison those working there, prison officers and others, even if the prison officers are 100% Democrat and hate Trump, hate you all, yet they get to see you and they realize you're just human beings, that you're not angry, you don't hate.What has that been like actually being there and the connections with those who work there?It's been really spotty, and what I mean by that is I've had some amazing fellowship with some Christian guards, reading them the Bible, praying with them, and even some that are not American nationals either.In Washington, D.C., about 50% or more of our prison guards are from Nigeria and Sierra Leone, and they're foreigners that have come to America for a better way of life, to become something greater, They've ended up working in the Department of Corrections here, and they have a lot of respect for us and they're great people, God bless most of them. They've been fantastic to us, but then you have this other side. You have a lot of the Washington DC residential guard.That they have such a bias against Donald Trump that they actually kind of make it their goal to torture us and you know be just overbearing and relentless in you know, enforcing small bits of the code and you know locking us down and making sure this and that happens and it's definitely, they try to get underneath our skin so we've and and DC jail in general the Washington DC jail we've been at war with them politically speaking we have a protest outside the DC jail that's been going on for over a year, every single night.We've gotten deputy wardens fired. We've gotten the department heads fired here.We've gone absolutely, we've even had congressmen, a few of them, rarely come and visit us here.Marjorie Taylor Greene and former congressman Louie Gohmert.And it's been a battle, but you just, they can't deny our character.We do not have fights in the pod for the most part. I mean, compared to DC jail where multiple people usually die of stabbings per year on the other side of DC jail, our unit itself, there's no drugs, there's no nonsense.Everybody, you know, we have large Bible studies and prayer groups where you can tell that this is, I mean, a much different jail environment than anywhere else in America, by far, it's peaceful.We love one another.We all get along and you know, the normal jailhouse scenario is just non-existent here because we live to a much higher degree, our character, what we represent as conservative, strong family values matter to us and we live out that way every day.
So, Jake, unless there's something else specific you want to share, I just want to finish off obviously with helping you with the finances, j6legal.org, and also prayer.Maybe you'd like to let the viewers and listeners know how they can pray for you and your fellow inmates.100% Yeah, just the last thing. Just been so graced by God to have a voice in this movement and the voice for the over a thousand political prisoners now locked up. If anybody wants to really stay in tuned and in touch with the January 6th movement I currently run a podcast live from prison with the gateway pundit and Jim Hoff. He's been awesome to me and to the Jan 6ers. And we have new episodes out every week if you guys want to go and follow the political prisoner podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify just type in Jake Lang into the search bar there and you can follow and subscribe and listen.It's been a great way to get our voice out. I had on general Flynn who is a former four-star general in America. That's been a huge political leader then that one episode got way over 150,000 views. So my podcast has actually grown to be one of the leading, like, top ten conservative podcasts in the country.So that's been a blessing, and if people really want to get involved and understand the plight of the January 6th political prisoner, definitely that's a great resource to check out. So thank you guys for, you know, checking that out and helping us out financially too.The donations matter so much to these families. People have, basically all these guys are the breadwinners.They all have wives and kids at home.And when they've been ripped out of their homes for years, the wives and the kids have struggled.They can't afford lawyers, they can't afford their mortgages and stuff.So every single little bit really matters to us.And we appreciate you guys for going to j6legal.org and making donations.That's really awesome.And God bless you for that. But more than anything, we need is prayer, right, Peter?I mean, everything that happens on this world, in this world is orchestrated by God and through the heavenly realms, the angels that are fighting for us every day.So we need to lift up each other in prayer to shift the atmosphere and to change it in our faith.
(Prison Phone)
You have one minute remaining.So please pray for us.We are really grateful for the prayers, the families that have been destroyed by this political persecution are appreciative of your spiritual, financial, every single type of support.So love you guys across the pond. Bunch of brothers and sisters over there in the UK that write us letters.Shout out to the UK patriots that love Donald Trump and love freedom and liberty.We love you guys too.Thank you so much, Peter, for having me on, brother. 
Thank you, Jake.Be praying for that Supreme Court to make a proper decision. So we will. I will, and I encourage our viewers to keep you held up in our prayers. So thank you for joining us, Jake.
Amen. God bless.

Lisa Dunnington - The Peoples Health Alliance & My Medical Choice: Restoring Medical Control Back to the Public

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We are joined this episode by Lisa Dunnington who is one of the founders of The Peoples Health Alliance and she is here to discuss 'My Medical Choice' which is a new initiative that aims to provide a comprehensive emergency medical alert system and more. Do you have medical conditions, allergies, and/or take drugs that may interfere with emergency treatment or surgery? Do you worry about what would happen if you or a family member were unconscious and unable to discuss treatment options? Do you want to protect you and your family from unwanted medical procedures, including blood transfusions & vaccinations, in case of an emergency or accident? Tune in to understand how 'My Medical Choice' can protect you & your loved ones in these times of medical tyranny & misinformation.The annual membership is £25 but you can receive a 20% discount off your 1st year using the code PHAMMC.
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Interview recorded  17.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Lisa Dunnington. She is co-founder of PHA, People's Health Alliance, and we've had Catherine Macbean on before, who is the other founder. But Lisa joins us to discuss My Medical Choice, and this is something that has been set up to make sure your medical wishes are respected and they are down on file. Many of us no longer trust our health system, our NHS. Many people are afraid to even go and see their doctor because they don't know what will happen there. And this, as Lisa says, provides the ultimate insurance policy. It provides an emergency medical alert system, whereby if you're in an accident, an emergency, your wishes are already down there and they must be followed, and also the safe blood system.It is wonderful to have you with us. Thank you so much for joining us today.
(Lisa Dunnington)
Thank you for having me. I'm honoured to be here.
Not at all. We're doing this probably a few days before, and obviously Lisa, co-founder of PHA, People's Health Alliance, and that's the website there, the-pha.org, and she's a chartered accountant by profession and we're going to get into My Medical Choice.But before we do that, Lisa, could I ask you to take a moment and introduce yourself and then what kind of led you up to the point of deciding that something like PHA was needed?
Oh, that's a good question. It's funny, isn't it? You look back on the last three and a a half years and go, blimey, did that all really happen? And in some respects, it's gone so fast. But then in others, I kind of have to keep going, OK, was that 20 or 21? And, you know, so it's been quite the journey for us all, hasn't it? I am, as you say, by trade, I'm a chartered accountant, I've had a long career, corporate career, which has taken me around the world and seen lots of things and but all very corporate.So quite a contrast to where I'm at now. So the, a little bit of background on my mental health, which was affected after I had my second child, my son, who's now nearly 18, but I was diagnosed with postnatal depression at that point. So I ended up on antidepressants for 13 years. So I know we're going to touch on mental health later, but it, really opened up my eyes when I stumbled across CBD probably about five years ago and managed to understand the benefits that it gave me and I weaned myself off the antidepressants. It's only then that you kind of look back and go, whoa, they just dumbed me down for 13 years. You know, I was trying to get through raising two young children, et cetera, and that was one of the coping mechanisms. I'm the only one that was presented to me by my doctor. So this is the relevance really to how I've ended up where I am, I guess. So that was the start of my awakening, because it really was an awakening from being dumbed down. I think I'd always been, prior to to that quite spiritual, but I kind of lost that and did all the other stuff that raising the children, et cetera.So then woke up again and that just led, as soon as the pandemic hit, day one, no, sorry.I'm not buying any of that. We were actually in Australia in the Christmas, new year of 2019.So it was already over there then, well, we have the crazy forest fires in Sydney that were going on.
I'm glad you got back. 
I know, can you imagine? Oh my God, I can't imagine the worst place in the world to be, but the rumblings had already started over that side of the world and I'm thinking, nah, I'm not having any of that, that's nonsense.Got home and then obviously by March 2020, it had really come to fruition here, but never bought into it from day one. So my focus from that point on was my children.I've got two children still in school and I just knew I had to protect them, and all our children.It's always been about the kids for me. So I was joining different groups.I was helping to send letters out to schools and doctor surgeries and about masks and all that kind of stuff.We went through it all, didn't we? So that was my way of, I guess, coping, which with what I could see was so clearly, something that had been created for a different purpose.So, yeah, I just had to cope with it that way and try and help my children as best as I could.By doing that and doing different, joining different groups, I eventually, probably in, I think it was December 21, came across Amanda and Katherine, and we all shared the same vision.We knew that the NHS was clearly failing and we needed to do something about it, especially as they were now talking about, mandating certain things for NHS staff and they were leaving in their droves and it just became such an issue, didn't it, that we could see what was coming. So a few of us got together, we all had the same vision and we wanted to create that backup to the failing NHS and also to bring it back to community. We need to bring things back to community, decentralise and, just, give people their power back. It was about that. It was about educating people.Giving them the power back and giving them a fully integrated, integrative approach to healthcare. So holistic and allopathic. So that's how we launched and we launched in April 22.So it's coming up to 18 months, I guess, or it's 15, 16 months now.And it's just been incredible. Sorry, I'm going on a bit, aren't I? So that's how I ended up doing, how I ended up being involved in the People's Health Alliance.
Because a lot of people, I guess, and I get you the whole thing with kids, my two boys, and I'm thinking, well, how do they grow up? It's one thing if you're kind of alone doing your own thing but you've got responsibilities and you think how does this affect them but I guess many people certainly when I had conversations say something needs to be done on many areas and, many people thought something should be done, very few people actually do something and what the PHA,It's something that's so needed especially with the absolute mistrust of our government our health system, our food system, our everything, and I kind of was concerned that nothing would happen in the UK, that it would be the Americans that would have the money and the drive to start something and poor us in Blighty would be left behind. But what you've built is essential and important. So, I mean, just, again, we've had Katherine on before and talking about the PHA, but remind people what the PHA is and then we'll jump on to and talk about My Medical Choice.Yeah, so the People's Health Alliance, our vision was to, as I say, bring an integrative healthcare service at community level and empower people to take that responsibility for their healthcare decisions and that's the thing. People have given away their power And My Medical Choice is very similar.It's to educate. So what we do is we educate, we facilitate, and we collaborate with other great grassroots movements that do wonderful things.So it's about empowering the individual to decide, OK, if I go to my doctor, he's going to tell me to take this.And then I'll take something else for the side effects of that.And before you know it, you're on a whole cocktail of pharmaceuticals.So this just gives different options. And we do, in terms of education, we have workshops.We bring together different practitioners who may have a different view on a malady, but we bring everybody together to discuss different options, and then people can choose.And whatever resonates with them, they can then look into in more detail.But, it's making people aware that they do have choices and they do have rights.People don't understand their medical rights, bodily autonomy. So that's why we're so aligned with My Medical Choice. And you know, you're right, there's all different areas to this, because it is all about community. If we don't do it at a community level, we can't make it happen. It needs to decentralize. But we are now becoming the People's Alliance.So six months after the People's Health Alliance, we launched the People's Food and Farming Alliance.Next, we're looking at education. It's the whole package, everything that the community needs.But we need to give it back to people to return the power back to the communities, so that they can address the needs of the people in their community.Because we don't know. We can provide platforms. we can provide blueprints, et cetera, to help people get started.But I think you're right. People have wanted to do this for a long time.And that became so clear when Katherine did the first interview in June 22, I think it was, just three months after we launched with Pam Gregory.That went overnight. PHA just became an international thing.And it was like, it literally just exploded. So we now have PHA in six different continents, you know, and things are really driving forward in Australia, New Zealand.We're really getting going in the US, but what surprised us with the US, and you mentioned that, you thought they'd be driving this.We struggle because I think that the mentality there is to hold on to things. No, that's mine. I came up with that.Whereas what we do is we share everything freely. It's our strapline for the people by the people, and it truly is.But after that Pam Gregory interview, we got so many emails.I mean, hundreds and hundreds of people all around the world saying, this is something I've wanted to do for 20 years.I've seen that this is what we need.Thank you for making it happen. And that's what happens. We've not done anything. We've just started that ball rolling and brought people together and it's working fantastically and people really are taking responsibility now. So yeah, it's exciting.
Let's go on to My Medical Choice. There is the website. I guess for me, it took maybe six weeks or so to waken up, whenever it all first happened.There was a level, and I think most Brits have a level of trust in our institutions.I mean, talk to someone who's been through communism, it's very different, but actually general trust in our institutions, that has disappeared.The last thing any of us want to do is go to your doctor. So tell us why My Medical Choice is needed.Kind of what gap does it fill?Do you know, for me, I actually found My Medical Choice pretty much as soon as they launched.It was around October 21.And for me, it was just the ultimate insurance policy because it gave me so much peace of mind.I mean, I didn't sleep much and I don't think many of us did, that were aware.Because of my children.And oh my gosh, what's gonna happen if something should, you know, we're in an accident or whatever. So when this came along, I just thought, this is it.This is the ultimate insurance policy.And we've now partnered with My Medical Choice and together we've taken it from where it was when it launched to really, it's the all singing, all dancing, best protection, I believe, that you can give to you and your loved ones.So it basically, it enables you to protect your bodily autonomy and it gives you the tools and the education to understand what your rights are, in terms of dealing with the NHS, et cetera.So there's really two parts to it.There's the emergency situation, I'm in a car crash, I can't speak for myself.They're going to take me into the hospital and do God knows what, which is what we all fear, isn't it? So what this does is it gives you a number of tools. First of all, you've got physical tools. You'll see here that we can see each other. I'm wearing this medical alert tag.It gives you a template where you can set up an advanced decision notice, which is like a living will, if you like. And in that, you can say, I don't want any blood transfusions, et cetera.No vaccinations of any kind.You can specify exactly what your choices are and what you do not, what you refuse to accept.So those are, and also we've just, we've just created this card, which goes in your wallet.So it's a no blood card and it has all your details so that first responders, A&E staff can quickly access it.So it's on your medical alert tag.It's on the card in your wallet.You can put a folded down copy of the advanced decision notice in your wallet also.And we've just got a screensaver as well for your phone.So if the worst happens, you can't speak for yourself, then first responders or A&E staff are going to see one of those things because they are trained and directed to always look for these things anyway.So those are the physical tools, if you like. And then,once you join, you can set up your own medical profile. So everything can go in there, what medications you are on, what conditions do you have, if you had any previous surgeries that might impact any treatment you've given, allergies, intolerances, et cetera.All of those things that will be useful to medical staff. The great thing about this, though, is as soon as an A&E or first responder accesses your profile on My Medical Choice, it sends an SMS alert to your emergency contact.So straight away, you're designated and you can have up to two.It may be an ex of kin, it may be an attorney that you've appointed for your lasting power of attorney.They understand your wishes and they can then take over and speak for you because you can't.So, from an emergency point of view, I just think it's absolutely amazing and such huge peace of mind for you.Also, not just in an emergency situation, if you have, if you've got to go and see a consultant and elect to have treatment for whatever reason, there's a really great package which provides you with lots of information to know your rights and also guides you in how to direct that consultation meeting.You know, because it must be quite daunting for people, especially people like us that are aware of the pitfalls, if you like.So it really empowers the individual to go armed with lots of knowledge.There's also, it can help you research alternatives to the procedures that they're gonna be offering you.Knowing your rights, because they like to keep these things quiet, that there are alternatives too.There are bloodless surgeries for example. So it's just empowering you to know what your rights are, go along, take some guidance in terms of how to deal with it and if it goes wrong we also have, can recommend advocacy services to help you along. So that's really that side of it.The other part which I think... 
Can I ask you incase before we went on to the blood system, In regards to an emergency, I think most of, most people living in the UK will think, well, the NHS is automatic and that's where you go and you do whatever happens and you pass yourself over into the hands of some strangers you've never come across before, but because they've done a TikTok dance they must be good. So, I mean, explain that because that kind of legal side, that right that the individual has because I think most of public don't really think they have any choice or rights. 
No, of course, but they do, and that's it isn't it, it's all about knowing your rights. So it does, it provides court-approved documents, your advanced decision notice and you can, it also gives you a letter, a template letter that you can send your ADN to your GP surgery so they know exactly what that is.On top of that, ADN, you've got your lasting power of attorney, again, a court approved document.So this must be adhered to.I'm not saying it always will be, because we know that people do things that they shouldn't do.But for me, that's the best protection you can have because you've got legal protection.You're also very well educated now in your rights because it's all given to you by My Medical Choice.And I think that's the best thing you can do. It's also empowering to be able to talk to a consultant and let them know that you know your rights probably better than they do, to be honest.So it's all about educating yourself, isn't it? because you are protected if you know how to use it.
And it's within the system because I think many of us thought, goodness we're gonna have to build a whole health system, how do we do that? But this is about protecting you, giving you rights within the system. 
Yeah absolutely, it's how to navigate the system safely and to respect yourself. And that like, that leads on very nicely I think to the safe blood system. It's a safe blood protection system. And I think when people first look at my medical choice, they think, Oh, brilliant, we've got an unvaccinated blood bank, and it's all going to be fine. It's nothing to do with that. This is about protecting yourself from unsafe blood. It's not about, you know, the safe blood bank. That's not going to happen. There's too many restrictions in this country. And even if it did, would you trust it? I wouldn't.Best will in the world, I'm telling you. There's no way I would take blood, probably, you know.And in My Medical Choice, one of the options within that safe blood protection system is that there is a database of people, My Medical Choice members, and you can join that. And you can say, well, you know, in the event I need blood, if you can match me to somebody, I personally wouldn't do that anyway, but it's there if people need it. But yeah, this safe blood protection system, it's all about avoiding blood, if you like. And it's for those that choose to reject NHS donated blood or blood related products, such as transfusions. So, you know, it's great.There are videos, there are blogs that educate you in these things and it's giving new options.Tell us about the, because I think some concern that we all have, as we've seen the last three and a half years, families ripped apart by the tyranny that we faced and maybe you would trust automatically someone in your family. But, this gives you, I think it was important to point out, the option of someone else being in charge, someone you trust who is awake and understands, because the last thing you want to is go through this, trust a next of kin, a close one, that as soon as you get wheeled into that hospital will be doing whatever the government think they should be doing or the latest BBC headline. 
Yeah and also you know, it's very true, you've got to be very careful I think with who you share your ADN with, you make sure it's somebody that you trust implicitly to follow your wishes, even if it doesn't go along with their wishes. You know, you may be next of kin and they don't want you to pass, but you've specifically said in that document, I don't want this, I don't want that. And there's a whole heap of things that you can look at. I've got a copy here.You know, you can say, I don't give permission to be on life support.I do not, I will not be given an organ transplant, for example.You know, skin and bone grafts, I won't be given stem cells.You've got all these choices, and this is quite a comprehensive template for you to choose, but it's so important, and it needs to be witnessed, and it has all your My Medical Choice details on there.It needs to be witnessed, but it's important that you make sure that your emergency contact that you're putting on there is fully aware that they're on there, and you don't just put your next of kin, because we've all done that, haven't we?We just go, yeah, next of kin, and then suddenly your husband's going, oh, what's this?What's this that I'm on?So you've got to have those very difficult discussions, but make it very clear that these are my wishes.So under no circumstances must they be overridden.If I cannot speak for myself.And the advanced decision notice and the lasting power of attorney do that.Now, it may be that your next of kin, if they understand, is on the ADN, but you have a different attorney appointed as your lasting power of attorney, for whatever reasons.But you've got to make sure that people know how important it is that they're adhering to your wishes.And they are legal documents, as I say.But it's difficult, isn't it? because that's it, if you're there and your next of kin is heartbroken and thinks that a blood transfusion might be good for you because they're not fully on board, then you've got to pick carefully, choose carefully, educate them at the same time as yourself and actually they'll probably join My Medical Choice as well if they're on the ball. 
I want talk about how people join it.But can I ask you first, for you, we've all had to reassess many of parts of our outlook over the last three, three and a half years. And this is an area, the medical side that, as again, I said before, people trust, people don't really understand. There's so many aspects of society we trust to the experts. You don't come from a medical background, so what was it like for you understanding what was available and what could be done? Because if you're a medical professional, you kind of automatically know it. You are someone who is not, and therefore you've had to walk through and understand what are the pitfalls and what is available or not. So what was that like for you personally? 
I think we've all become a lot more educated, haven't we, over the last three and a half years in medical health, how to keep ourselves healthy, what to avoid, because we are critical thinkers and that's why we could see what was happening. So I'm sure you're the same. I am so much more knowledgeable now and this isn't that complicated once you get your head around it and I think the way that the My Medical Choice team have put this together they have made it as simple as possible. It really is layman's terms. And so I didn't find it that difficult, but you need to invest a bit of time and really go through things. But that's why we've got videos to really cut things down on the website, make it easier to understand key things. But it's all there, but you do have to invest the time. So, and that's one of the reasons I did a public zoom a couple of weeks ago, about this, really just to break it down very simply into the key areas that it covers.And then I also did, I think you were on there, Peter, but I also did a walkthrough of the website. They have an amazing set of frequently asked questions on there. And really, We've all tried to think of absolutely everything, and I think that we've done a pretty good job of that. I think it covers very concisely and clearly everything we could think of. And we did open up to, Q&A at the end of the public Zoom, and I think I had one question, maybe, that was answered very quickly. So it is all there, and it is in layman's terms, it's easy to understand, and it's all set out really nicely for everybody too. But don't think I can just go on there and in 10 minutes I'm done. Like everything, you need to do your research, you need to put that time in and do your homework.And this will be, in my opinion, one of the best things that you can do for yourself and your family. 
Well let me bring up the website. There is, that's what you'll find on My Medical Choice.The FAQ section on the top. You've got join us. Now, what does it mean, join us? How do people become part of it? When they click on that, what information do they give and all that for the, what, bargain price of 25 pounds a year?Tell us about that and how people go through that process.It's really simple. Literally, you click on that, you're joining a private members association, so you're becoming a member of that PMA and all your data is kept absolutely confidential. In fact the My Medical Choice admins don't have access to the information in your profile. So you click on the link you sign up and then you get a welcome email which has.Just a whole host of information, including your ADN template, et cetera.Some great information on how to deal with the NHS gatekeepers, if you like.So lots of really great information. And as I say, once you've signed up, you then have your own back office, I call it.So that's where you can store all your information. You can put in your medical profile.You can put in your emergency contacts. You can fill in your template, ADN, and lasting power of attorney, and then upload and store those documents.So that's where you manage everything.And, the My Medical Choice people don't see that. That's yours.Nobody else can access it.When the first responders access your information, they can't make any changes to it.It's just there for them to see and use accordingly.So it's a really simple process from clicking on the register, and it just takes you through that really nicely with your welcome pack on email, and then your back office to start filling in your details.All the information you wanna put in there.
It's amazing how people ask questions about data, but yet they, we've just seen the Electoral Commission had a massive hack, all our data gone.It's crazy that many of us still trust our institutions to hold our data, but have queries on private companies holding data.It's strange. 
It is, but you know what? I think we're all guilty of it because, the terms and conditions are always that long, aren't they? How many of us just go, agree, agree?So, yeah. 
So, can I ask you what has been, have you had any pushback because, again, many of the things that many of us are doing in these times is pushing back against the government, pushing back against what is available.And that's probably not appreciated in certainly government circles, because we're simply supposed to follow like sheep.What kind of pushback have you had or kind of criticisms from elsewhere?
Do you know what? We haven't. And I'm surprised. I'm surprised to be able to say that, but we haven't because, PHA is for everybody. It doesn't matter what you believe or, you know, what journey you've had. It's for everybody and we've always been very clear about that and we are apolitical.We don't get involved in that side of things.This is about health, it's about empowering people, and it's about community.So that's what we focus on.And we are rightly helping to support a failing system.You know, I'm not interested in taking that system down. I'm interested in building the new for our kids.And making sure that they can have a life that they deserve, you know?And yeah, the current systems are broken.We all know that.And it's great that some people are actually dismantling those and addressing that.For me, my way of coping is going forward, moving forward, not looking behind.So fortunately, and I don't want to jinx us, we've been good so far, not really had any problems.You get the odd crazy on social media that will come and have a go, and that's their job, isn't it? But other than that, I'd say we've been very fortunate so far.Long may it continue. 
Yeah, you need some trolls. Keep our lives more interesting.
Well, you've not made an impact if you don't collect a few trolls along the way. 
Completely. It's 25 pound a year, which is 2 pound a month, which is nothing for what you're providing.
I agree. It's great. And actually, I'm sure you can share this code, PHAMMC.If you put that in when you register, you get five pounds off your first year.So it's actually 20 pounds. I mean, for what it provides, that peace of mind, How much can you put on that? For me it was just literally the best thing it really was, and at such a low cost. And the wonderful thing about it, it's a private members association, so all the income that comes into My Medical Choice is used to help improve the service.First and foremost, but secondly it's also helping other grassroots initiatives.So, we are choosing to fund different initiatives that are doing great work, that need that support.PHA needs the support, we don't have any funding. We have very little and we literally have done all this on a shoestring.I think we started off with £300 and got a website pulled together by the kindness of our volunteers.You know, we're all volunteers.But in order to go to the next level, you can't sustain that.We do have to, people have to earn a living at some point and be able to carry on doing the great work we're doing. So MMC is doing that. It's helping PHA because using our referral code, we also get a contribution from MMC. So really, it's great for everybody. It just means we can carry on improving this. It really is brilliant and working together.And that's all PHA have ever done from the start is collaborate and support those that are doing really great stuff at the grassroots. 
Can I ask you about parents signing up your children also to that, how does, how does that work? This a whole family thing?That the parents can sign up and then have their children sign up, how does it normally work? 
Yeah unfortunately not because, the law in this country prevents anyone under the age of 18 from having a lasting power of attorney, etc.For me, though, what I would say is you've educated yourself, you know everything now that you need to know about the system, how to navigate it, what your rights are, and therefore you can do a better job of protecting your children should they need to go into that system.Once they're 18, yeah, they can be signed up, but unfortunately, the legal stuff doesn't work for them.
But then if the parent is awake, then that provides that. 
No better protection than mama bear, you're coming after my kids.You can have a fight on your hands. So I think most of us are like that, aren't we?So we can protect our children with the knowledge that we have.
Can I just finish by just touching on, I will not do it justice, but I just want to touch on the mental health aspect. With everything that's happened, it's funny that our media and government are a little bit confused at some of the negative effects that it may be having, and that's not even touching on heart attacks, that's just touching on the damage mentally of been cooped up. We had fun with two children, taking them through lockdown, educating them in a flat, in a block in London. And it's not, we don't all have outside space and nice gardens and a swimming pool outside. And that was the few. Many of us did not have that. But yeah, maybe just finish on touching on that kind of mental health issue and the way that people can have help in that.Yeah, I mean this is, this was an issue before the pandemic, let's face it, we've never had an adequate support system for people with mental health issues, and let's face it as well, it affects us all at some point in our life. Nobody's immune. So it was already a broken system there, was not resourced as it should have been, and we don't have enough experts in this field. So for us at PHA, this is a tsunami that's coming. It already existed, then they locked everybody down and created more of an issue and people are now slowly waking up.They've got injuries, they're maimed, they're being told, take these antidepressants, it's all in your mind.You know, it's an absolute, and it's a global issue, obviously.So we are working very, very hard on this. We have to get safety nets in place to catch people as they fall.And that's why community is so important. This has to happen at community level.You have to be able to help people around you. It's not, it can't be done centrally, as we know, because we've already seen that that didn't go down to, that didn't work very well, did it?So it has to be, but for me, I'm very keen on pushing this with our PHA partners around the world and working together with them and their mental health experts and coming together to create global solutions.So it's very much a priority to us now.The thing that holds us back a lot of the time is again funding and being able to get the right people in to do the work that needs to be done. I'm going to do a shameless plug of ourPHA first gala dinner.... 
Oh yes, that's coming up. 
That's coming up. This is why I'm not sleeping currently because I've got six weeks and still got an awful lot to do. But it's going to be a great night and it's on the 29th of September. It's in Leeds at the Queen's Hotel and we've, already got some great speakers. We've got Richard Vobes, the lovely Richard Vobes is our MC for the night. Matt Le Tissier will be speaking as will Kate Shemirani talking about bringing nursing back into the community. So it's going to be a great event but it is a fundraiser because we need some funding to be able to really focus on these key projects, the mental health.The youth, the youth is another great project of ours that we're very passionate about.You know, the kids, they've had, we've all had an awful time.But the impact on the children from mental health to physical is just horrendous.So we're looking at things in that area to focus on. So yes, if anybody would like to come to the gala dinner, I'm sure we can provide you with the links.But even if you can't and you want to pledge some support, we've actually got an auction of promises set up, so people can go on there.We all think, it's like you said, I'm not from the health industry. I'm finance.But we've all got skills that we can offer. We can all do something, whether it's admin or on the auction of promises, if it's mowing someone's lawn, you know, and they give us five pounds for that.And everybody's got something that they can contribute.So it'd be great if we could share those links. And if anyone's listening and they want to get involved, please do get in touch with us. You can do that via our website as well.And it'd be great to see people on the night, really excited about it.
Well, people can go to PHA website there on the screen, and they can click on that.The First Gala Dinner, 29th of September, coming up. So six weeks to go.I really appreciate you coming along, Lisa. It's essential what you're doing, and it's exciting to see initiatives like this springing up, seemingly out of nowhere, because people are awake.So thanks for joining us today and discussing, not only touching on PHA, but also my medical choice.And I'd encourage all the viewers to go read up on it.Most of you will realize it is important. And for those of you living in the UK, click on it.If you like what you see, sign up.Two pound a month, it will cost you and use that code. What was the code again? 
P-H-A-M-M-C.
P-H-A-M-M-C.Put it in and you'll get that five pounds off. Lisa, thank you so much for being with us today.
Thank you for having me, I really appreciate it. And I just want to say you're doing an amazing job just helping to educate people and empower them. So it's great to be here. Thank you.
Thank you.

Dr David Cartland - NHS Silencing Whistleblowers: Is the GMC Fit for Purpose?

Show notes and Transcript...
Dr David Cartland joins Hearts of Oak once again to discuss his ongoing battles as a wide awake doctor. For over 2 years he has had to fight, not only for his credibility in the NHS but for his continued employment. He shares his ongoing battle with the GMC (General Medical Council) who seek to destroy GP's on the basis of random complaints about their social media posts. In the middle of this skirmish, David finds himself 'persona non grata' and struggles to find locum jobs as a doctor in a country that is in desperate need for medical professionals. We end with Dr Cartland sharing the many stories he hears each day of horrific vaccine injuries.
Dr David Cartland (MBChB MRCGP) is a fully qualified doctor and GP.He is also one of the most censored professionals in the UK.Dr Cartland has a 1st class degree in Biomedical science including a year of specialist immunology and microbiology/virology training that included statistical analysis, and it is this area of expertise that has had particular relevance and value in allowing him to professionally assess the mass of government, NHS, MHRA, pharmaceutical and ONS data on Covid-19 and Covid-19 Vaccine Adverse Reactions, which has been published since the declaration of the ‘pandemic’ in UK.Between his two degrees David worked for a year in the angiogenesis research group at the University of Birmingham and he is a published author in angiogenesis research.At his graduation he recited the Hippocratic oath.Part of this powerful oath is a vow.A vow to ‘Primum non nocere’- first do no harm.After years of training and sacrifice, followed by many happy years in a professional practice as a highly respected doctor, in February 2022 David took the difficult decision to resign as a GP.
Follow and support Dr Cartland at the following links....WEB: https://drcartland.com/X: https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/DrCartlandTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@drdavidcartlandDONATE: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/drcartland
PEOPLES HEALTH ALLIANCE: https://the-pha.org/ WORLD COUNCIL FOR HEALTH: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/ DOCTORS FOR PATIENTS UK: https://doctorsforpatientsuk.com/
Dr Cartland’s original testimony titled ‘Breaking the Silence’ can be read here....https://metatron.substack.com/p/breaking-the-silence 
Interview recorded 19.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.David Cartland, who's back with us again. And David joins us to discuss his experiences of being investigated over two years now by the General Medical Council, the GMC.It is the regulatory body that investigates doctors' malpractice or failures. And because of initially anonymous reports complaining about a social media profile, he has been investigated.He discusses that process and the GMC have absolute power, they can remove a doctor's ability to practice medicine in the UK. So it is, they are judge and jury, court martial. We also go into how the NHS silences whistle-blowers. He shares some of the stories of his patients that he has seen vaccine injuries and we also discuss his difficulty of simply getting a job as a locum in surgeries. 
Dr. David Cartland, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for your time today. 
(Dr David Cartland)
No, thanks for having me, Peter. It's always a pleasure to chat. 
Good to chat. I think last time you were with me is probably our last video at the end of last year. Time flies past, but it's good to have you back. Lots to cover, not only about you but what you see professionally. But if I can @CartlandDavid on Twitter, that's where you can follow David's many pieces of information put out regularly. So if you're not already following him, do. Although,David, you've become quite high profile. Maybe just touch on that and then before we get onto of the GMC stuff and some of the cases you see.But what is it like to be kind of the voice of reason? Because I guess when you go into profession, you're there as part of the system. You put your head down, you do the good that you've been trained to do.It's quite different for you because a lot of doctors now in the media, in the public sphere, are talking about. What has it been like over the last three years? 
It's really strange because I get a lot of feedback that I've kind of stuck my head above the parapet and I'm brave and I've got balls of steel or whatever they say, but you know I see it as simply my duty to do what I've done.You know I've said this many times, you know, I've stuck my neck on the line but really not because I've spoke out about ethical principles of consent, bodily autonomy, not coercing patients to take medical treatments that they aren't being fully informed about number one, but you know, that we haven't got any safety data for, you know, defending children and pregnant moms, you know, there was never any roll out data for both cohorts. And so that's the two easy wins, I thought I picked, you know, the ethical issues and the pregnancy safety, lack of safety data and the children and vaccine injuries and speaking out about lockdowns and masks and for doing so, you know, the NHS supposedly supports whistle blowing, they call it a learning culture, a no-blame culture, let's talk about these things without any blame until you whistle blow.And then, like I found out, to my detriment in a couple of arenas, really, as soon as you whistle blow about concerns that you've got. Concerns that still to this day remain unanswered.That's the other thing. You could easily shut me off with some data. Very easy to do.Correct my blasphemous views on all of this, just sit me down and show me the error of my ways and hasn't happened for two and a half days. It's been a full two and a half years, should I say.It's been a cancel culture as other people in the arena have found, you know, you look at Andrew Bridgen, all he did was ask questions and asked to take a closer look at the data. You look at footballers, Matt Le Tissier, you know, speaking out and saying, look, we need to look at this, footballers are collapsing left, right and centre, let's stop, let's investigate this. Similar to me, I'm just saying like this isn't ethically right, this isn't safe, we're not following evidence-based practice here, but yeah to somehow out of all of this become, I googled myself the other day because I said a third's really let me go because they said they'd googled me, so I thought let's.Have five minutes and see what you can come up with when you google Dave Cartland.One thing that comes up is internet personality, so that's the surrealness of where we are at the moment in that for somehow doing the job, following my Hippocratic oath, following principles of safety evidence based practice and ethics and these are all GMC guidance's as well you know I keep reminding on Twitter my fellow colleagues of the guides the guidelines that we have you know about the duty of candour whistleblowing ethics you know making sure you know we're gaining informed consent these are all enshrined in the GMC and as we'll talk about later on in the discussion the GMC they've got some slightly double standards when it comes to who to go after. 
I guess there was some point where it went from criticism within the profession, so disagreements with fellow doctors, fellow professionals, to a, more bigger investigation and checking up. I mean how did that step change come?
Yeah, where to start with that? So yeah, I mean, it has been kind of, it started off as kind of anonymous reporting. So the first I ever heard of the GMC, being involved in me was, I found it in my junk email box from my NHS mail account, saying that there'd been some sort of hearing about me about spreading COVID misinformation, and that a decision had been made that there was no case to answer for. This was in April, I think, 2021, it goes all the way back to that.That was without your input, you just... 
So that was without my knowledge, my input, but even though they found there was no case to answer, they escalated it to NHS Performance Advisory Committee.And so you'll see on Twitter, I posted a reflective piece they asked me to do at that point to explain how I got to my position. I actually got to present to the GMC at the time as well, not the GMC, NHS PAG committee and their six doctors.I had the floor for about an hour, went through data, my concerns, and with specific reference to the reflective piece that I posted.And, you know, at the very end, I just said to them, any comment, any information on what, you know, any rebuttal to what I presented?And they just said, look, we're not here to discuss the content of your views on COVID.We're here to discuss, and it was a really strange comment they made.They said, we're here to discuss your mental health, your fitness to practice, and your fitness for purpose.I always remember that comment, fitness for purpose. And it kind of all fizzled out after that.They closed the case, and then pretty much, you know, every month or two, I'd get a dumping from the GMC saying we've had these 15, mostly anonymous complaints from various characters, either from Twitter or ex-colleagues I used to work with saying, we've had these 15, 20 complaints just to let you know, FYI, this is the content that's sending you the redacted complaints.And you'd just been told that you were getting this flurry of complaints about COVID misinformation, conspiracy theories, and all the rest of it. And some of them are quite comical.I was called a dangerous individual, I've been called Harold Shipman 2023.And all the rest of it and so you know they were throwing them out which is good but then it kind of got a little bit more nefarious in that you know, firstly the council culture in my own community, so I've been you know, I've been I moved down to Cornwall for the work life balance, I didn't wake up one morning and say I tell you what I'm going to be a crazy anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist and commit career suicide. I said what I saw I had genuinely held and still unrebutted concerns as previously mentioned on safety ethics and an evidence-based medicine and not being followed.And for that, I've received a cancellation, blacklisting. I've applied recently for, in Cornwall, we've got a lack of doctors. We've got a massive issue with GPs in particular.I'm an ED-trained GP, so I'm kind of dual-trained, and I teach medical students.I've got background in science.I'm a published scientist, did a degree with quite heavy weighting in immunology.And we've got somewhere around 25 jobs out there all the time, consistently. Whenever you look at the website advertising for GP jobs, there's always 25 jobs.So I applied for 25 jobs about six, seven months ago, and I got three responses.The rest just ignored me.Their jobs are still being advertised, by the way. And the three letters that I got back were essentially we don't employ anti-vaxxers or your views on vaccines don't align with the ethos of our vaccine centre, for example.So it started off like that.And even now, I mean, I've been let go from locum surgeries now because I retweeted an Andrew Tate video six months ago.That's a genuine example of why I've just been let go from three weeks worth of work, you know, and I didn't really know who Andrew Tate was. If I'm honest, I must've just seen something on Twitter, retweeted it without doing a full, you know, biography check on the person.And then that was enough cause for the GP surgery to let me go.And that was actually a surgery that had massively positive feedback from the work that I'd done.And then the other surgeries then, you know, putting the phone down on agencies they mentioned the name Dr Cartland, literally putting the phone down on them saying and then the agency would get back to them and say was that technically correct.Was that a technical issue with the line? I said, no, no, no.You mean Dr. David Cartland from Cornwall? Oh, no, no, we don't employ anti-vaxxers at our surgery.We'd rather not employ a doctor.We would rather have no doctor than have him.And there's been several examples across the last six months where surgeries have gone without a medic for a whole day than have me, who's offered my services to them.And I've got email confirmation of that. So it started off a little bit like that, cancellation in my locality.I mean, cancellation by the village that I live in, the town I live in.Literally bizarre because as you mentioned earlier you know outside of Cornwall, I'm quite, there's a profile there you know people know who I am people recognize me but not in my home village they think I'm a leper and they treat me like a leper so very odd and then the GMC stuff started a bit more insidiously then with with the usual suspects on Twitter.. 
So okay tell us what the GMC the General Medical Council there'll be many watching not in the UK so what exactly is that body what does it do?
So the GMC are there, General Medical Council are there to kind of oversee doctors conduct, doctors you know any issues around their abilities practice safely, you know so clinical negligence etc so they've got kind of lots of overreach into into what doctors do but I mean the way you complain about a doctor is you can literally go on to an online page completely you can say anything you want and I've seen this in action, like literally you can say, Dr. Cartland tweeted this.And this was what a lot of the complaints were that I was getting.It was about social media activity.But I did come across, you know, I had the devil in me at some point in the past, about seven or eight months ago.And I decided to do a sort of feature on Twitter where I went into some of the TV doctors.And I thought, I'm going to out some of the outrageous statements that Van Tam, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock.I did a week of going after the politicians and just quoted what they said in their own press conferences and, you know, the next slide, please, conferences that they were doing. And then I moved on to the TV doctors. And I went to Dr. Ranj, Dr. Amir Khan, Dr. Sarah Kayat, Dr.Hilary Jones, and I basically published the biggest whoppers that they'd ever told, you know, like, Dr. Ranj said, you know, take one COVID-19 vaccine, and you're 100%, 100%, it's always 100% safe and effective of avoiding hospital or going, becoming unwell, or dying of COVID-19. That's what he said, or worse. And I just posted it. And that's been taken now by the GMC to be examples of my bullying.The charges against me at the moment are bullying, incitement of hatred to fellow professionals, and online harassment.So they've tried the misinformation, they've tried the mental health, they've tried the conspiracy theories on professional behaviour, social media guidance, and now they've moved on to what can only be described as a coordinated complaint.I've got evidence of all the complainants collaborating together in chat rooms, and making this an effort to get me struck off.So as we stand today, you know, I've been all of the complainants, for example, have been given the chance to give an oral statement against me. You know, Dr. Ranj gave a 110 page victim statement in inverted commas. And it was like reading a fantasy novel. Honestly, I've read it, it's an embarrassment really to the GMC, but they've took it seriously on the lines of bullying and harassment. And what have I done? I've posted 'This Morning' interview where he made outrageous claims that misled a lot of people, you know, nothing's 100% RSA, you know, this cup of tea, it's not 100% safe, I could choke on it, I could drop the cup on my foot, I could drop, you know, the hot liquid on my crotch, you know, and it's not, it's not 100% safe, is it? So all of these doctors made the claim of 100% safety. One particular complainant said it was 100% safe tovaccinate pregnant women, and then went on to say that the vaccine reduced miscarriage rates, and then went on to equally tell a whopper around what technology was used in the vaccine, saying it was identical to the influenza vaccine, without naming names for this particular doctor.But, you know, they've been able to formulate that my retweet of, you know, their false claims has been labelled as, what did they say in the one complaint, I've set my anti-vax mob upon them, and, you know, they're all playing the mental health card now, saying that because of Dr Cartland, they're suffering with their mental health and anxiety and all the rest of it playing the victim beautifully.Very strange goings on and to me I mean it's a big overreach really GMC are they there to comment on my twitter feed? you know that's what it seems to have come down to.
But well, what is the the process do you get an email or letter through to say you need to appear in front of somewhere, just being told you're under investigation and you said you were before them so what input do you have with that?
That's a really good question, so in all in all of this you get kind of, you get I'm infamous at GMC now so I've got my own complaints member of staff so I've been allocated my own member of staff for the inundation that they've had.But essentially that person will then update me on the process.And the process has been the three complainants have been given the oral witness statements.And they've gone to town on me really and dug back into my timeline.There's clear collaboration between them. Meaning one particular complaint, the GMC have actually helped the complainant go through my Twitter feed and look at interviews to look for examples of alleged transphobia.So there was a period about three months ago where I went in heavy on the strange things that we're seeing in the sexualization of children, sex trafficking.There's the drag queen story hour that we've had in Cornwall.Some of the videos I'm seeing online about inappropriate things going on in front of children.People clad in gimp suits with kids stroking them.You've probably seen the images. Men clad with sex toys all over them, multi-coloured sex toys, making a complete fool of themselves really in front of children.And calling that out, and again, charge number eight on the GMC charge list is I've showed hostility towards the LGBTQ community.I've had lots of input from LGBTQ people, show me a lot of support, actually, because they're fed up of it.They're fed up of this kind of leaning into the agenda and the overreach of it, this minor attracted persons, the, we need to start having sympathy for paedophilia, we need to start looking deep into the psychology, normalizing it and then going off on things like, you know, in schools now we've got kids in our locality identifying as cats. I mean, how on earth have we ended up with that? You know, when we've got people being referred off a puberty blockade at the age of 12 and genital mutilation, that to the GMC there is evidence of my hostility towards LGBTQ and they're jumping on anything at the moment. Clearly I've got a target on my head.So none of it has to do necessarily with your medical understanding or ability or giving someone the wrong drugs. It's simply your views, what's in your head.And it's strange how a tweet can affect how you actually carry out, listen to a patient diagnosing them. It's, their opposites.
They're saying it just affects confidence in the profession, so another colleague, I won't mention the name at the moment, is having a case reopened for bringing the profession into disrepute.Affecting public confidence with their conspiracy theories in inverted commas. But I mean, I'll tell you what's happened, just to finish off what I meant to say just about the GMC proceedings. So all three complainants got the chance of an oral statement. They've been either to the building in GMC HQ or they've given a Zoom, you know, face-to-face. I've not been afforded that privilege so basically what they've done is clumped all three complaints together into about 600 pages of evidence and I mean the evidence is pathetic, simple as that it's not it wouldn't you know if it was a murder case it would be thrown out, you know it's absolutely embarrassing but all the way through this I've got a clear evidence of all three complainants colluding, inciting against me, getting people to and they've done it for other doctors like Aseem Malhotra, please report this doctor to the GMC, well that's incitement isn't it. And I've got evidence of this.In fact, one of the complainants has been, is a very notorious chap on Twitter.Again, I can't name his name, but a notorious bully, troll, spreader of misinformation.And this guy has been bullying me for two years and has had the audacity to accuse me of bullying.I said to the GMC, I've got pages and pages of information where he's called me Harold Shipman or he's had me arrested or I've been struck off.I'm dangerous, I'm dodgy, I'm unsafe to practice, I'm a liar.I've got all of these screenshots. He's even questioned my mental health, publicly saying I should be sectioned, I'm mentally unstable.He's been speaking to my family and they're all increasingly concerned about my mental health. I've got all this, but can you show it to the GMC? Do they want to see it?No, they don't. not letting me give, you know, get beyond the administrative system to speak to a decision maker. So it's been very much guilty till proven innocent and they backed that up by, about a month ago, they demanded of me my full, you know, who I work for as a locum, what surgeries, which hospitals I work in and they wanted me to go back six months to name what surgeries I work at and the reason for that was they wanted to send out a letter before I've even had a chance to give evidence to say Dr. Cartland has been accused by some high profile TV doctors of bullying, harassment and online incitement and that's gone out to every surgery that I've either worked for or currently worked for and I absolutely begged them not to do that. I said look, this is clearly a guilty till proven innocent approach to the situation, please let me at least give my chance of defending myself. I mean to be fair to them, they've been clear in the letter that, you know there is no fitness to practice hearing here and it's not, you know, they haven't even made a decision on that they're just collating so what's the point of sending the letter. I said to them this is only going to give me financial and reputational damage, they still sent it and since then the three surgeries have not offered me a single locum shift, so as predicted they want to wait till the investigation's over and that's natural of course, why would you want to employ a doctor by choice that, you know, it's hard enough for me to get a surgery to take me for half a day when they're absolutely desperate, you know, it's it's such a waste but can't explain that. Guilty to all, even innocent. 
How long has the process with the GMC, how long has that been going on for and how long does it, is there a fixed time period, can they keep it open for indefinitely, what's the process?
Yeah that's a great question as well, I don't know, I've not been very transparent through the whole time, it's been, I've been dangled by a piece of string since like I say April two years ago, with various different, you know, aspects, like I say I first found out about investigation from a junk email. It's just the communication has been terrible as well. They've not kept me up to date really. They keep telling me they dropped a lot of the charges against me without informing me that they dropped a lot of charges against me. What GMC like to do as well is they send you emails that are quite anxiety inducing about five to five in the evening, and they're all knocking off at five o'clock. So even in that approach it's like well.There's method in that, they're doing that on purpose, you know, to send an email at 10 to 5 with, you know, this is the witness statement for Dr. X and then you're going into the weekend and you can't fight your corner and, you know, all they've done along in terms of pastoral care, you know, at the end of the day this is very stressful, you know, I'm going into the next month not knowing if I'm going to be in front of a fitness to practice hearing for the crimes of promoting evidence-based practice ethics and safety.And I don't know where my next pay check's coming from. It's just, it's bizarre.And all they've done is they've given me a Samaritan's number and to contact the BMA 24-hour helpline, completely separate to them. There's been no pastoral support.In fact, there's been no pastoral support at all. I've tried all through the last year to reach out.It's hard enough to do that as a doctor, reaching out to other doctors, and I've ended up passed from pillar to post. No one can offer me any support, any help.I even went to my own GP at a time when I was having a lot of stress, I wasn't sleeping.GP essentially, in a nutshell, signed me off work for six months with stress and depression.Sent me bucket loads of antidepressants, sleeping tablets and anxiolytics and then zero point during that, I've still got the boxes by the way, I never used them, but the point I was trying to make is not one single doctor or nurse spoke to me in that six months and assessed me and gave me copious amounts of drugs during that time and signed me up and made a diagnosis actually based upon e-consults, which is what doctors are doing now. They're not even seeing patients to this day. They're still doing telephone consults, you know, triaging everything out, you know, only seeing on the day emergencies and this is what's contributing in a way to some, only a small amount of the excess mortality that we see and they're just not seeing patients hence, not diagnosing or processing and doing their job, still hiding behind the COVID. I worked at a surgery a few weeks ago and the doctors are all still masked up. They've got two, three masks on some of them, gloves on, aprons on, visors, they change between every patient and they've had five or six jabs at each of these doctors. So we've created this bizarre kind of germ OCD phobia kind of mentality. I can't explain it. 
It is. Maybe four months ago, five months ago, I went to the hospital with one of my kids and I went in and the doctor said, I'm sorry, you'll obviously need to wear a mask. I said, I'm exempt. He goes, no, no, no, you can't be exempt. I said, yes, I'm exempt, I can show you, the government. And he goes, oh well, it's too dangerous.If you refuse to wear a mask, we'll have to have the consultation in the corridor.So we moved out of his room and we were in the corridor of a busy hospital and he carried out the consultation in the corridor, because the corridor was safe, but his room was not. And I thought, you don't even argue when you're with children, you just... 
And this is in 2023, Peter, isn't it? The insanity continues and now we've got the old... Eris, is it? Eris, the variant, and they're trying to stoking up the fear porn.The goddess of destruction, they've named this one after all, chaos or something like that.So they're really working on getting the anxiety levels up and people will fall for it.The doctors have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.Absolutely easy meat it's been to con the doctors. I mean, how to explain what happens to you there?You know, you've been taken out to a corridor. It's just insane.You know, if you see a doctor in a mask, I would go and ask to see another doctor.I'd go so far as to say that, you know, It's an instant IQ assessment for me.The data's out there about damage. Not only is it pointless, I keep trying to explain, you've got eyes as well.If you sneeze into somebody's eyes, you still can contract. So unless you've got goggles on.Doesn't matter what you wear on your face. There are studies that show it's dangerous to your blood gas.You can become hypercapnic, hypoxic.Quite swiftly, I have to put in one arm. Spoke to a lady at my son's optician appointment last week, and you could see she was struggling to breathe.You're speaking and she's and you can see it bellowing out and just like you don't need to put that on, it doesn't work, but her excuse to me was it just makes the older patients feel safer, but it's fraud isn't it, it doesn't it doesn't do what it says on the tin but that's just a small cog in this deception isn't it. 
One last question on the GMC and then maybe touching some of the cases you have seen what powers do the GMC have? 
They've got the power to end your career, literally, so that's where we are with my particular cases, that they're going to, two people get to decide, one's a lay person and I don't get to speak to these people. I've got the opportunity to write a written rebuttal and they turn the sand timer off 14 days ago so I've left it for a few days and I've got 14 more days to respond and then that goes to a decision maker which is a doctor, a lay person to decide is it fitness to practice or not and that's where the fun begins if it is a fitness to practice and in a kind of dark way. I hope they do because I hope to air my facts and figures to them in public and I think this is the reason they haven't taken some of the higher profile doctors to fitness to practice because it goes on public record. We come out with all of our data, we talk about excess mortality, we talk about our clinical experiences and it all comes out in the open and I don't think they want that. That's why they go for things like bullying and online harassment and breaking the social media guidance or there's a new guidance come out on LGBTQ+ now, all you need to do is offend, that's the measure now you have to leave your faith for example at the door and if the level of being able to report the doctor to the GMC is just merely offending somebody with your view and again at that fitness to practice that literally is what it says on the tin, are you fit to practice or not and we see it now in some of the cases of people being struck off, it's very nefarious, people are, and it's not based on safety, it doesn't seem to be harming patients that brings about the charges are being struck off anymore it can be what you're offending somebody or you know your twitter feed or retweeting an Andrew Tate video for example, it's just bizarre I mean what what jurisdiction should the GMC have over my private, where's that private, public social media. I've got freedom of speech, you know, I'm a lot of these views and they're quite you know within their rights to debate me but I'm two and a half years in now, not a single doctor, no one from the LMC, no one from the GMC, no one from the NHS, the chief medical officer runs away from me down here, the MP runs away from me down here.No one wants to have the conversation and so we all know what that is.But it's just so dark, isn't it, that, you know, a good doctor here is not able to work in one of the most under doctored areas of the NHS.And, you know, it's only patients that suffer. It's not me. I'm doing okay with my private work, you know, so, you know, it's one of those.Well, actually, let's touch on that, the private work side on your website.Let people know what they can find because this is, I think, a way forward and what you're offering is essential and exciting that's happening, it's sad to see it has to happen.But tell us what people, is it people in the local area that they can basically connect with you and have a diagnosis?
Yeah, so the service has been set up with a deliberate eye on what the GMC have been up to.So I've kind of called it a kind of off-grid, off-matrix kind of medical experience.So I don't know anyone else who's doing it, really. So it's kind of novel in its approach.So I've had to be careful what I call it. Obviously, I am a GP, I'm a doctor, so I'm allowed to use those titles.But I've had to kind of draw a line as to what needs to be regulated and what I can do in an unregulated fashion.So for example, if I prescribe a drug, that needs to be regulated.You need a GMC license to practice, CQC registration.Now, if I keep patient notes, I need GDPR regulation. So I've had to pitch it, the model, at where I can be unregulated, like a life coach, for example.So I call what I do health coaching.I call it clinical navigation, clinical signposting. I call it health advocacy.And that's what I do. I'm a voice of reason. I'm a medically trained person, ex-scientist, that is there for patients to come to and listen.One of the key things I get is as to why people book in with me is, A, that they trust me for standing up against all of this this nonsense, so it's a trust issue and that trust has been lost. These people you're never gonna trust doctors ever again.And they come to me because they value my opinion and I listen.It's a simple case of having an hour, you know, I charge in a very ethical price, you know, it's far below what, you know, the standards for a private GP appointment would be.It's a quarter of that. And I sit with the patient for an hour and I listen and I take the history.And even this very morning, I had three cases of vaccine injured patients that just, they were quite emotional, really, both the two younger girls, because they just got heard.They were listened to and acknowledged instead of being gas lit and told it was all in their head and there was absolutely no chance of that.But going back to the service, it's growing month on month.It's going really well. I work from this office.I work every morning seven days a week, 363 days a year.So accessibility is there. You get the same doctor twice.You actually get a doctor, which is a bonus.In general practice, if you actually get a doctor, you've struck gold, haven't you?So they're the USPs really, and you'll get an honest opinion.Sometimes I do have to direct people back into the NHS to take our blood tests, for example.But that's what I'm there for. I'm a health advocate.And so like one of the patients this morning, I've written what I call a kick the doctor up the backside letter to get the doctor to do some basic investigations with a girl that's been having chest pain and palpitations within a week of the vaccine.And they haven't even done an ECG.They've done their blood tests. a referral for 24-hour ECG monitoring. They've not done a referral for an echocardiogram. Just basics. You know, we're seeing a lot of clinical and criminal negligence now in the patients that I see, particularly from the vaccine injury community. So that's what you get in a nutshell.So yeah, go to drcartland.com and have a peek.Tell us more about what you're seeing because I'm assuming that you may see people that have gone to their doctor, nothing's happening, the doctor refuses to even consider this could be vaccine injury and therefore they come across you and speak to you. But tell us kind of how that's worked and what are some of the stories that you've heard from patients? 
Yeah so the stories are quite classic actually. So what I would say from the outset is I've not spoke to a vaccine injured patient that has got the same story. So there's different kind of severities of symptoms, there's different timelines, there's some are immediate, some are sort of medium term, some are slightly longer term. But the one thing that's really consistent with these patients is that temporal relationship to the vaccine. They're in good health, the two patients this morning.In good health, fit and healthy. One was an 18 year old and within two days of having the vaccine and the second patient was within two weeks having some heart pain, chest discomfort.They then venture off to their doctor and every case is the same.The doctor will immediately, as soon as the patient mentions the vaccine word, that's it.It's almost like crucifix comes out at that point. The room changes, the mood changes, the aggression levels of the doctor change and they dismiss the patient with immediate effect and just say, look, this is absolutely 100% nothing to do with the vaccine whatsoever.But these are the same doctors, if you remember, that had, you know, they were putting down COVID-19 for every death. You know, you can have a positive test and get struck by lightning the day after. And they put COVID-19 as a death certificate, they'll put in COVID-19 as 1A when people have died of cancer.And it was quite extraordinary. But what they're telling these people is, either it's in their head, the amount of people who've got bizarre symptoms, and some people have got some really eclectic, strange, medically unexplainable symptoms.So they come and they've got a bit of this and a bit of that, and it doesn't fit into a conventional diagnosis or criteria to diagnose things like MS, for example.They get brain fog with numb left arm with weakness of the right calf and incontinence of urine, for example.That doesn't fit into any conventional neurological diagnosis. I'm hearing of cases where neurologists are seeing the patients.Telling them it's absolutely not 100% nothing to do with the vaccine. They're not even touching the patient with a tendon hammer. They're not examining them and just dismissing them as functional neurological disorder, aka they're making it up. It's in their head, despite you know, coming on two days after the vaccine. The latest thing I'm hearing is they're telling vaccine injury patients that it's from long COVID, everything's long COVID. So these doctors who deny a day after the vaccine, somebody, you know, going into fits, is anything to do with the vaccine, are the same doctors who were saying, oh, actually, the latest one is even more dark, asymptomatic long COVID. So I'll give you a real life example of a 31 year old who I saw about a month ago at surgery, who had two AstraZeneca's. After each AstraZeneca, she had a blood clot on her leg, one on each leg. Then they went on to booster with a Moderna in December this year, just gone. And this was a 31 year old girl. She had a mini stroke a week later and then she had a full-blown stroke.And when she had to have surgery, a bilateral stroke, blood clots on the brain.And she was told, and I saw this in the neurological letters, that she'd been, this was from an asymptomatic COVID-19, long COVID infection, that had caused a stroke and this was all within a month of a Moderna booster. Absolutely incredible and then, you know, I tell patients, you know, it's highly likely but the issue we've got here is really that we can't ever prove it.There isn't really a way of absolutely proving it. We're looking at ways of really nailing this correlation, causation thing now.So there is a way of finding out antibodies, if you've got antibodies, for example, to nucleocapsid protein and the S-protein, and if you've got both, then there's an equal argument that it could have been the COVID infection.But what we have got now is patients that are just measuring for antibodies for the S-protein, which is a spike protein, and not the nucleocapsid protein.So that completely knocks out the possibility that it can be long COVID-related, because there's no evidence of the nucleocapsid protein.So we need to find that test that really is that eureka moment in helping these patients.And a lot of work I do is around spike protein detox.And we're all, whether you believe in shedding or not, that's up for discussion, but we really need to get detoxifying our bodies and I've really turned myself around in the last eight or nine weeks because I've been vaccinated as you know, and it's really messed with me, it's messing my cognition, my memory, lots of brain fogs, lots of mental fatigue, obviously there's a lot of confounders here about all the stress going on, but at the same time, I felt like I was going into dementia at 41 years of age and really turned it around. So anyone who's got any concerns about spike protein, obviously not just me, don't just contact me. I'm not just selling my service.There are lots of protocols out there now from World Council for Health, People's Health Alliance.You've got the FLCCC, I Recover Protocol.My protocol is publicly available on Twitter for free. It's all about detoxification of the spike protein.That's the pathology here.And that's common across the board. It really was a flawed thing to do, get the body to produce this non-human spike protein through the mRNA.Surprise, surprise, it's causing autoimmunity, it's causing cancers, it's causing inflammation in the body, it's causing immune system destruction, it's causing micro-plotting, endothelial dysfunction.It really is poisonous stuff. So yeah, anyone who's had a jab needs to look at, for themselves and for their relatives and loved ones, what we can to get rid of the spike protein.Lots of literature out there.Yeah, PHA, certainly World Health Alliance, fantastic work.So what you're basically pointing out is they are providing solutions.
Absolutely, yeah. And these are grassroots organizations picking up momentum with each passing month.Both of the aforementioned, they're grassroots, they're run by people that give a lot of time for free to help set up an alternative to the NHS.And, you know, honesty is at the centre of it all, you know, being open, being honest, and not for profit.None of these people are here to make money. They're here to provide a service.And if you go, for example, to the PHA website, you'll see that there's a whole directory of people that can help.It's not just the NHS. It's not, you don't have to go with the Stockholm syndrome, of going through the primary care system and being gaslit, you know, go contact people.There's directories of people that are, Naturopathic is the best way to put it.It doesn't have to be drugs. My own protocol's got one medicine on there, the rest is all plant-based. Anti-inflammatories, supplements, things like that.Things like keto diets, paleo-ketogenic diet, carnivore diets, that can really help get your body detoxed from anything from spike protein to heavy metals and all the crap that's in our food.We're toxic people now because it's everywhere. It's in the food chain, it's in the water, it's in the sky.So we're getting, you need to detox.
100%. Can I just ask you about doctors, whenever a patient goes to a doctor, are doctors kind of given information they go by, or is it purely in their head? Because obviously when someone comes in they refuse to accept it's vaccine harm. Is that simply because they're in, I guess, in some ways the pocket of the pharma industry, or because they just are too busy, they haven't looked, or because they're following guidance from elsewhere?
A bit of everything, really. I think when I do get to chat to it, and I do all the time, I get told not to talk about COVID in surgeries. I make it my business to enlighten the staff that are vaccinating people. So I worked in a room last week with a lady who was jabbing pregnant moms and kids with the COVID vaccine, so she was enlightened by me. So what I would say is the combination of doctors have got egos, number one, egos and God complexity, thinking they are the powers that be.Number two, they're complicit.They've been putting these jabs into people's arms.What's more concerning is people who've been jabbing through the last two and a half years don't even know that it's a novel technology.You completely lose them when you talk about gene therapy and immunomodulatory therapy.MRNA, a paramedic last week said, what's MRNA?And she'd been jabbing it into people's arms for the last two and a half years.And really that's not acceptable. The only defence I do have, and again, I've been dabbling a little bit back into the NHS the last few months, is that your just run ragged.You start your day at eight o'clock, you finish at six.Your halftime break's a home visit, where you're driving around, particularly in Cornwall, like there's quite distance the homes are from the surgery.And so you're driving with your sandwich in your mouth and your crisps while you're driving around, and you get back and you start again.It's like eat, sleep, repeat, and you don't have time.That's my only slight defence is that you run ragged and I think deliberately so.So doctors just haven't got the energy.You know, those days I did a few weeks ago, I haven't got time to get up and read the Lancet Journal or the evidence data for excess mortality. And it's not a good enough excuse, but you know, it's a factor in the equation that needs to be considered, that people are run ragged.And hence they don't know the Pfizer data, you know, the Pfizer documents that I've read cover to cover.These people haven't even heard of the Pfizer documents because they're that frazzled at the end of the day.And then the money, you know, it's been a big money maker for the whole of primary care hospitals.You know, they've cleared their debts from all of this. So I'll never understand why doctors aren't putting two and two together when you've got somebody that in a very short timeframe after a novel gene therapy, you know, has developed X, Y, and Z symptoms and how it can't be in the differential diagnosis at the least, that's just clinical negligence.You know, it's, this whole denial of the timeframe, you know, these well healthy young people. I've had some harrowing stories in the last few months of people that have lost legs, lost the use of the legs, you know, becoming incontinent, transverse myelitis, MS cases, turbo cancers, blood clots at the age of 18, all in proximity to the vaccine. All of them have one thing in common, it's absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine, according to their medical professional. It's just not good enough because we have to start helping these people. One thing's for sure, I've never jabbed a single individual. I've not given an mRNA jab to a single human, but I'm the only one seeming, along with a small pocket of UK doctors, trying to find answers and solutions. And we work day and night, and we're the bad boys of the profession, working day and night, often for nothing, to try and find solutions to what will be looked back on as the biggest crime against humanity. Of that, I'm certain. 
100% agree with you. Dr David Cartland, I really appreciate you coming on, giving us an update on what's happening with you and what you're seeing as a professional. I'm assuming the best place is on your Twitter. They can follow what's happening with the GMC and whenever you're coming, as you're going through that process, you'll keep your followers up to date on @CartlandDavid. 
That's the one. There are a few imposters, nice to be popular, but if you type in David Cartland into Twitter, you'll see there's about 25 versions of me, but that, you've got the twitter tag right there on the screen, so look out for the imposters because they are asking people for money personal details and you try to report to twitter to stop them but no, if they put parody in their profile they're allowed to say what they want, it's incredible, the amount of bullying I've had Peter is just, it's incredible, and yet I'm in the dock for being a bully, it's so bittersweet really to accept. 
Hmm, no completely. Well yeah, @CartlandDavid, make sure and get it right.Nowhere else but there. 
David, thank you so much for your time today.
No, thanks for having me. It's always good to share what I'm seeing.