Hearts of Oak Podcast

Darren Denslow - Local Elections 2023: The Rise of the Independent Candidates

Voting is upon some of us once again in England with Local Elections happening across the country with some 8000 seats up for grabs. Darren Denslow joins us as someone who is vying for one of those seats, many will know him from Twitter as Wolsned or Darren of Plymouth and he is standing for election in his home city of Plymouth. Most candidates stand for one of the main political parties but Darren chose to be an independent.Why did he discount the parties? How has he campaigned as an independent? Is there a way of reversing voter apathy?Tune in this episode to hear Darren's experiences and why he thinks you should get out there and vote.Darren Denslow is a chemist, science teacher, ex military finance/procurement specialist turned political commentator, free speech advocate, radio host and runs two of the best 'Truth Speaking' Twitter accounts to come out of the UK, @DarrenPlymouth and @wolsned. Darren has lived in Plymouth all his life and truly loves his city and that is why he is running as an independent councillor in St. Peters & The Waterfront to represent the wishes of local people on local issues.Follow and support Darren ....WEBSITE: https://www.darrenofplymouth.com/RADIO: https://tntradio.live/PODCAST: https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/category/darren-denslowTWITTER: https://twitter.com/wolsned?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/darrenplymouthInterview recorded 2.5.23Transcript available on our Substack...https://heartsofoak.substack.com/Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Darren Denslow or Darren of Plymouth as most of you will know him from his social media profile.And you can also catch Darren on TNT radio every Sunday afternoon but the reason I asked him on today was local politics. He is standing as an independent candidate in the local elections and as this goes out on Thursday today will be election day so you can make a decision to vote for candidates. So Darren joins us to explain why he's standing as a local candidate, why he discounted the other parties, what pushed him into that role. He stood before, so we talk about his previous experiences, and why local elections is so important. People often think of Westminster, central government as the place where it happens, but actually the importance and many of the issues are sorted out and dealt with at local level. So why is that important? Why should you vote if you're in the UK? And talk about apathy. I mean, there are massive voter apathy across the UK and it's just getting worse and worse. And Darren brings his passion, his energy, his enthusiasm for dealing with local issues. I would really inspire anyone to vote and to get someone in who cares about their local issues. So as you watch this, local elections will be on today in many parts of England. 8,000 seats are up for grabs, so do make a decision on voting if you haven't done already. But over to Darren to explain his experiences and why you should vote.Darren Denslow, or Darren of Plymouth as I would know you. Darren, thank you so much for being with us today.
 
(Darren Denslow)
My pleasure, mate. My pleasure. Glad to be on here. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk to you.
 
Great to have you with us. Now to follow your Twitter profile, and they're @Wolsned. People can follow you there and of course they can watch you on tntradio.live.You're on the Sunday afternoon slot, I believe, 1 to 3 UK time or 8 to 10 am eastern time for our US viewers on the east coast. And I saw, I think the last two weeks, well you've hadDan and Stan, Voice of Wales, who I know well and we've had on numerous times. Also James Harvey, Voice of Wales, Unity News Network, Students Against Tyranny. I think we had him last week hearing about his background as a student.
 
Good lad, he is.
 
Very good.And of course you're the independent candidate for St Peter and the Waterfront Ward in Plymouth, and we'll delve into that a little bit deeper. But first Darren, can I ask you to introduce yourself before we get into elections and all that stuff?
 
Yeah sure, my name's Darren Denslow, I was known as you said as Darren of Plymouth on Twitter. I still actually have that Twitter account, Elon has graciously given it back to me, but they give it back to me in a mangled reck, It doesn't really work very well. So you can find me on Twitter @Wolsned. I am a chemist.A science teacher by training. I spent 15 years working in finance and in the dockyard.Prior to that, I was cancelled as a teacher because of the trans issue. And I now, after speaking out for sort of three years throughout the pandemic and through the Brexit period, I now work as a, someone called me a news anchor the other day, which was, which was quite nice, but I do news reporting during the week on TNT radio. And as you said, I have my own show 1pm to 3pm UK time on a Sunday. But I'm also for my sins, standing in my second local election.I stood in 2021 in a different ward in Beverall in Plymouth. But that was really just me just spending a bit of money to try and poll the local population to find out who would vote independent and who didn't believe in the Covid narrative. This year I'm standing in theSt. Peter and Waterfront ward is probably one of the most historicparts of England, let alone Plymouth. And so I'm quite honoured to have the Barbican and the waterfront as somewhere that I might potentially come Thursday represent. So I'm standing as an independent candidate. The reason I'm standing as an independent candidate in Plymouth.The trigger was the destruction of the trees and the Plymouth tree massacre. No, I'm not a greenie, I'm not a tree hugger or an environmentalist or a climate change activist. I was really unhappy that the public's wishes were not represented by the people in the local council, the Conservatives, Labour and the Green Party all had an opportunity to prevent the cutting down of over 110 mature trees in the centre of Plymouth. They either abstained or voted for, even though a petition of 16,000 said don't do it. And so I decided, you know, there's no democracy here in Plymouth. In fact, there's no democracy left in the UK after the last three years. And so that is why I am standing. And I probably shouldn't say I haven't got a hope in hell, because people go, I ain't going to waste my vote on that geezer then, but you know I'm standing because if I didn't stand I'd be kicking myself for the rest of the year because I'll let those gits in power get away with it without at least doing something and I hope this year not only do people vote for me.But people up and down the country vote for independent candidates. So that's just a little bit about me Peter.
 
Okay I think there are what 8,000 seats is it? Something like that, up for grabs and of course we'll not even get into the complications of UK. I don't have any where I am here in London. All different parts of the country are different, so I'd encourage our viewers. This will go out on Thursday. We're doing this two days before, so it'll go out on Thursday, on election day. So if you're watching this live at eight o'clock on Thursday, you've got, what, two hours to go and go and cast your votes. Exactly, it is important, although I'm moving away towards the more apathy side, but we'll get into some of that. So you've stood before, you're standing again. Standing the first time it didn'tput you off standing. Why did you stand for the first time? Because a lot of people, I'm curious to know why they put their names forward for the first time. And I haven't been involved in local elections. I mean, 2019 was when I was overseeing the campaign with UKIP for European and locals.But I'm always curious to know why someone puts their name forward. If it's as an MP, it's glory, fame, I guess, although I would debate that, but locals is different. So why did you start originally as a local candidate?
 
In 2021, I mean, I sort of work and move, you know, I keep myself to myself generally, but in a sort of my social world, my connections within the city, I sort of loosely operate amongst political people. And my friend Danny Bamping in 2021 said, look, there's a seat, there's no one standing as an independent in Beverall, do you want to stand? This was at the I wouldn't say the height of the pandemic, but we had had 12 months of the pandemic.Everyone was running around in masks. The vaccine campaign had just started, that we were still in some sort of lockdown in my city and right across the UK. People had still lost their minds. I was getting incredibly worried about what was coming down the line in the future. Plus I'm a teacher by training. I saw what was going on in schools, schools have been shut down, kids have been put in masks, they were talking about vaccinating them, or the rumours were that they were going to go back on Matt Hancock's word, and we also have a god-awful, I mean the worst local authority you can imagine at a time it was run by Labour, and we've got like the wokest of the woke in terms of Labour councillors and Labour candidates here, and so I thought I'm going to put my name down because, you know, I've got to do something.And at the time it was all about COVID. I've got to do something. And I really felt that just screaming and shouting on Twitter doesn't achieve anything. So that's why I stood.And I actually caused chaos and Labour diverted almost all of their attention and financial resources to the Pevrel Ward because Darren of Plymouth had a big Twitter account with 40,000 followers and I was making a lot of noise online so it was really good for the lols but the reality is having a big twitter presence doesn't translate into votes and I got five percent of the votes then, I have no idea what's going to happen now but I will say this Peter and I'll try and be careful of my language. People are more pissed off nowthan they were in 2021, when you were locked down in a mask and being jabbed up to your eyeballs, which is quite interesting. And it's 15 minute cities. And it's the nonsense of the Conservative Party that have really, really upset people. And they're not necessarily going, I'm going to vote for red, I'm not going to vote the other way, because they look at the alternative, which is Labour and Keir Starmer. And the goons that we've got as candidates, Labour candidates here, you know, with their green hair and still wearing masks, there is a good opportunity for other parties and independent candidates to come through, even if it's just on a protest vote.So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm going to do better than the 5% I got last time, even though I'm standing in a different ward.Obviously, you've looked at the other parties and made a decision that actually none of them are any good and of course there are alternative views for the other parties, although they're becoming more reduced. But obviously if you're getting involved in politics the first thought is you know I should get involved in one of the political parties and get to know the local community, get to know the local association and then put myself forward. That's kind of the traditional process in the UK. We traditionally have not done independence, well we do more locals but it's still not the norm really. But you've obviously discounted other parties and decided to do it as an independent. How did you assess that when you looked at the other parties?How did you kind of make that assessment that none of them? and give me your thoughts.I really do want to hear them.
I never considered for one second ever being part of the Conservatives or the Labour Party.And since Brexit it's been quite obvious to anyone who's paying even the slightest bit of attention to what's going on in the political environment that neither Labour or the Conservatives represent you. People go and vote, they're going to vote blue, going to vote red, and you know, and that's what people do. But then you're voting for a party to make decisions, not for an individual who might live in your community, care about the place, care about that. So for me, Plymouth is my home. I'm Darren of Plymouth, for God's sake. It's literally in my my little nickname, moniker. I spend most of my time in St. Peter on the waterfront. It's an absolutely beautiful area of the city that's just been trashed because of the the trees that have been cut down and because of their attack on statues you know Sir Francis Drake and Sir John Hawking's name has been taken down as a street name because he's a racist colonialist you know, the parties don't care about that they're following instructions from higher up they're following down here in Plymouth they're taking instructions from London in London they're taking instructions from the World Economic Forum or the UN or the WHO or whoever. Yeah, they don't represent you.But trying to break that cycle of behaviour, voting behaviour in the public is incredibly difficult. And I'll give you a good example. In 2021, I was up on the Ho, which is, you know, very famous part of Plymouth, it's beautiful, sea views and there was some elderly ladies there.And they had just voted in the local election. It was the voting day on Thursday, 2021.You know, two years ago today. And I was explaining to them, with the other independent candidates, how it, exactly what I was saying, if you want change, don't vote for Conservatives, don't vote for Labour, because it's just a continuation of what you've already had.And that's bloody obvious. And they agreed, they agreed with everything I was saying. And I was like, who did you vote for then? Oh, we always vote Conservative. And this literally happened.And I'm just standing there, jaw on the floor that you've just agreed with everything I said about why you should vote for independent candidates or some small parties that are trying to fracture or move away from the mainstream political system and you've just gone and voted blue and red.And the reason people do that is because we've been indoctrinated all our lives. You're conservative.You're Labour, your right, your left, and people just vote in accordance with this behaviour that's sort of been implanted in us right from schooling until adulthood. And it's very, very difficult to break that train of thinking. I'm hopeful this year, but at the same time, I know that when people turn up at the ballot, they might be walking all the way up to the ballot box, I'm going to vote independent, I'm going to vote for this person and when they get there they go wasted vote and vote Conservative or Labour. And if that happens again here, just as it might happen in the general election which is likely to follow on from the locals, then we're just going to be stuck in the same shit show that we have been in for the last 3, 6, 10, 20 years, go back as far as you like. Nothing will change until we get Conservatives and get Labour out of government, especially local government, yeah, because that will then filter up through to London and we might be able to, you know, enact some real changes. Maybe if we did that right across the country, there wouldn't be any more 15-minute city talk.I'm assuming that when you mentioned at the beginning about the, was the trans issue in schools and your vocal on that, so that comes from a more common sense, socially conservative, you look at around and concern of how things are changing for the worse and how things that were truth, that were normality are suddenly turned on their head.But then that would probably make you look at some of the other smaller parties and I'm wondering why you didn't look at them, who maybe have traditionally been more on the right, traditionally been more, well, we need to conserve what we have as our culture.That's been the general understanding and view of them that maybe hasn't necessarily transcribed out.But why did you discount them?Because I would still be taking direction from somebody. I'm an independent person, I'm an individual, I'm a free thinker, and the only interest I have, if I was to be successful in this election, is to represent the wishes of the people who live in that ward.And a lot of them may not be conservative. A lot of them won't necessarily be, you know, left-leaning.I already know a load of them are very, very, very woke and are obviously not going to vote for me, but I need to be my own person and I considered the Heritage Party. I've spoken with Dave Kurten in particular, I've had him on my show on TNT, lovely bloke, also a fellow chemist and we had a lot in common, but I would still be representing not the people, there would be that extra chain, there would be that like um a go between between me and the people of Plymouth. I would have to go through the heritage party or we'd have to go through UKIP or I mean there is a reform candidate, Reform did contact me and I said I'm not representing any party I'm independent and the thing about democracy especially at local levels it should be independent people who are sitting in our chambers here, you know every seat should be somebody from this city, especially you know hopefully they live in that ward as well and that they they have an interest and skin in the game in the city and I think a lot of our councillors either in Plymouth and elsewhere across the country don't have that. They're conservative first, they're Reform first, whatever, then they're the representatives of the people. I'm just going to be a representative of the people if I win.
 
Tell me, you talked about the conversations you have with people, I remember the conversation I had that really hit me, it was ages ago, probably about 15 years ago in the Church I go to in London, big, big black majority Church, and having the conversations with the congregation members as it came up to the election, I would list some policies and they would say, awful, awful, awful.And I said, well, those are Labour policies. They'd say, yeah, but we will probably vote Labour.We always vote Labour.
And it's that, as you said, that weird gulf between people's views and how they've been tribalized and forced into voting all their lives.And people would have told me, well, you know, my parents voted for Labour.Or it could be flip side. My parents voted for Conservative, therefore I do.And I said, well, have you thought about it? Looked at the policies?No, it's just show me the red or show me the blue and I'll tick.Um so yeah it's a similar.
 
They don't even look at the candidate. They don't even look at the candidate. In 2021 I stood against a conservative guy called John Mahoney. Yeah I actually had an argument with him. He said to me, he's a doctor yeah, he said to me I will wait five years to find out if there's any uh adverse events or side effects from the vaccine and I was like, you're a doctor mate yeah he won yeah he didn't campaign he literally for a few days just before the election, just went around and chucked a few leaflets about, people turned up and just went, blue. They don't even know who he is, blue.Yeah? Out all red, you know? That's what people do. And so they don't even look into who they're voting for, they just turn up at the ballot box if they're a voter and vote red or blue. And, you know, the problem with politics is inherent in what I just said there, i.e. our country and, the world is run by the people who turn up. And usually the people who turn up aren't the sort of people who should be running the world. And you know, how do we get people out to vote? Imagine if there was 100% turnout. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Conservative and Labour wouldn't be winning all the time.
 
Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, you look at the vote share and how they get in is bonkers. I think that people misunderstand the power of what happens at the local level.People see Westminster as the place where politics happens, where true decisions are made, but you stand as local candidate, you have seen and you understand the reality that actually decisions are made at the local level. If Westminster doesn't sit for two months, three months, the country carries on. Actually, when a local council doesn't sit for whatever reason, suddenly there are issues with schools, there are issues with bins, there are issues with local services, And that's it's, at the local level that the country actually works.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, you know, I bought at the same in the same breath.You know, we're talking about the trees because that is a look.It's even made the newspaper again today.It was a massive national story and scandal, that tree, the decision to support the felling of those trees, although it didn't directly, to my knowledge, come from London.London did say, here's a pot of money.Do you want that money?Cut down the trees. Yeah. If you don't cut down the trees and begin this project, we take that pot of money away.And that is how the local authorities are influenced. So even though decision-making is made down, made at the local level, it's still in accordance with the wishes of their party at London, and government, doesn't matter who's in power, they're the ones who control the purse strings.And that, you know, that's the cycle of political influence and decision making that needs to be broken.There is a council in the UK, as far as I understand, and I didn't Google or check this before I come on, Frome, that's wholly independent.And if you go to that council, and you go to Frome's, as I say, not to the council, but if you go to the Frome, it's beautiful!And it's great. All the services are provided, there's no in-fighting like we have here in Plymouth where we've had the last four years all they've done is fight against each other and not actually achieve anything because it's just you know if red says that it's left.Then blue goes oh I'm going right. There's no cooperation between the parties in my city at the local level, there's no saying oh this is going to be in the interest of all the people and Plymouth, so let's work together on that, they will just fight each other no matter what the decision is that needs to be made. And so, yeah, all the action happens at local level and I will also say this, the corruption is off the scale at the local level. It isn't until you sort of dip your toes into local politics do you realize the level of corruption and the underhanded dirty tactics that will be employed particularly by the established political parties in order to get rid of any opposition. I am now the most racist person in Plymouth and it's been banded all around social media. I mean I think it's a badge of honour. When I asked why am I the most racist person in Plymouth, they didn't have an answer. They couldn't even tell me. But the mud sticks unfortunately.
 
Well it does. The issue of the trees issue is intriguing. I remember reading about it, I remember reading that the leader of the Conservative Council then stepped down over it.And it's amazing how you do see pockets of this happening, not enough at all, we need to learn from the French, the one thing we need to learn from the French maybe, is that resistance, that pushback, that standing up for what you believe in your area, in your community. And it was heartening to see that pushback from the local community which forced the Conservative leader out.And I guess that's what you want to see more of, you want to see local people standing up for local issues.
 
Yeah of course, you know, and again it should be local people. I mean that tree, the tree massacre, the great Plymouth tree massacre, is a really good sort of distillation to use a chemo chemistry term distillation of the problem yeah, the council were like we need to get rid of these trees so we can begin this project so we can get that pot of money from central government and that money will then be continuous throughout the next 12 months of our budget so that was their thinking, then the public went here 16 000 signatures said don't cut down the trees. And so the leaderunder some influence from the sitting establishment of Plymouth City Council, the people who are there permanently, and that's another issue, you know, the employees or thepublic sector workers, that's a separate issue because they don't get voted in, under pressure from them because they want the money for the business that is Plymouth City Council, wrote an executive decision. I don't know what Richard Bingley was thinking at the time, And a little bit on Richard Bingley, and I'm sorry I'll jump around, he's ex-Labour, ex-UKIP, he started Save Our Statues, yeah, but he wants to rename Sir John Hawking Square, Zelensky Square. Can you believe it? I mean I really am going to f***ing blind in a minute just thinking about it. And then he become Conservative, I think he was also an Independent, he might have even been a Green at some point. So these are the sort of people that put themselves forward to be in positions of power. They're only interested in the position and they're only interested in the power. They're not interested in representing the people. Anyway he wrote an executive order two hours later they cut the trees down under the cover of darkness and yeah the public are super, even now, super, super unhappy about what happened. The trees are still all there.I haven't walked through the city centre today, they're about to be removed but there's some squabbling going on. But we don't live in a democracy, Peter, and nationally we don't live in a democracy. And I find it very, very concerning for the future because I suspect that thatsemblance, the illusion of democracy that we've always lived under, even that is now dead. So I think these local elections, from my perspective, is my last opportunity really to stand up, be counted, see if I can win, make a difference, and with a group of other independent candidates to see if we can get in and have a voting bloc in Plymouth because there won't be any more local elections for another two years because of the GE. And if you're a conspiracy theorist like me, you know, these elections could well sort of run down and be a thing of the past as the globalists get their way and remove sovereignty from countries. And the rumour is, after these local elections, because the Tories are going to get absolutely wiped out, I suspect, in these 8,000 seats that are up, there is going to be a GE announced probably straight after the local elections, and this country is going to go into proper crazy town for for a few months and we're going to end up with a Labour government.So you know it's it's it's, if you're worried about a Labour government then you'll know what I mean when I say it's quite scary the prospect of what can happen to the UK in the next 12 to 18 months.You know it is and I've also seen those stories of that election general election being called soon after and I think that's how it will go. Let me ask, I'll not jump in on the Richard Bingley because I know Richard from my UKIP days but I scratched my head on that decision so I'll leave it at that but can I ask you about apathy, voter apathy, apathy of individuals. You talk to people and we talk about how people were tribal but also you have the apathy involved and just where there's no desire, no engagement. A lot of that is the fault of the system for not engaging with the voter and expecting them to do their juty and tick that box whenever the alarm bell goes, whenever the bell goes immediately you must jump up and you must respond and then shut up and keep quiet for the next four or five years. How do you kind of combat that?You obviously have stood, not as a party machine but independent and you talk to people, you engage with individuals about the political system, encouraging them to cast their vote for you.How is there a way past that apathy?Sorry for the for the dead air but I mean I'm shrugging my shoulders saying is all I know is that it exists. I don't know how to combat it. It's very difficult as an independent because you're on your own, you don't have a party machine behind you. You know, I've got help, I've had, I've been fortunate that I've had quite a few people volunteer to help me to go, around knocking doors and canvas. Every single person that I have spoken to, they've gone, I've got arm, you're interested in the elections, you can see their face, they're like, don't come near me, you're obviously a politician, I don't want nothing to do with you, look at the state the country and it takes me a little while to go, you know, oh I'm an independent candidate, I'm not, I'm financing myself, I'm not, I'm not part of a political party, but to then go, we need you to get out and vote.You can see that these people don't want to vote and the turnout typically on a local election by ward roughly is about 40 percent. So that means the people in Plymouth or wherever you might be in the country, 60 percent is a group of people that doesn't have a representative.They're being ruled over by the 40 percent or the 30 percent and sometimes turn out as low as 20 percent. And so, as I said before, we're ruled over by those that just turn up or those thatPut themselves down as a candidate for Labour or Conservative or whatever. And again, you know, I've got the ballot paper expecting to see quite a few independent candidates this year because people are pissed off. There isn't. Most wards don't even have an independent candidate.And what I'm getting from social media from around the country is that there aren't that many independent candidates standing. And so again we're just going to end up with red or blue and the same old nonsense going on and that just increases voter apathy, it increases disengagement in the political process and so people don't go out and vote because they think what's the point it's going to end up red or blue anyway. So I don't know what the answer is. I'll tell you what the political establishment don't want, 100% voter turnout. Maybe we could do something like Australia and just say it's mandatory. You must, or on pain of a smallish fine, go out and vote.And in Australia, I think it's $30 or $60 or whatever, about 30 pounds, if you don't go out and vote. So they have very, very high turnouts. And as long as somebody isn't ballot stuffing or or rigging the election will probably have very, very different results and we may end up with a lot more independent candidates in positions of power representing the people of their community.I know that voter turnout is going to be particularly low this year. I'm pretty certain.It'll either be extraordinarily high or extraordinarily low. It depends on how people react to how pissed off they are. In Plymouth, super pissed off. Every single person that I've spoke to.
I think people are blown away when you show them the numbers because you can get in as a local candidate for a thousand votes. It can be less than that depending on the makeup. And people are foolish enough and there are many people who are who think actually I voted Conservative, I'm going to change my vote, I'm going to vote Labour. And I think well voting for Sir Keir Stammer, but what's going to be the massive difference for voting for, Rishi Sunak, someone more wealthy than the Sovereign? It's not. You need to think outside that little box, and yet people are fixated on that. So people who choose to go one or the other.It's not going to make any difference. They're just going to get the same.
That it's a mono-party. The reds and the blues of the UK, the reds and the blues of USA. I suspect they use red and blue in Canada and Australia. You see there's a common thread here. And one's conservative and one's not so conservative, apparently, which we should say one's a socialist and ones even more socialist. And so, you know, I think, who gives the goodanalogy. I can't remember who it was, but it's basically the difference between Coke and Pepsi. That's what you've got to vote for. One's a little bit sweeter than the other, but the reality is you're getting the same drink. And if you vote Conservative or Labour, they're owned by the same people, the same lobbyists are going in and dealing with these politicians, whether at local level or national level, and the same decision making is going to be made. If anyone here who's listening right now thinks that voting for Labour in the local elections or in the general election that's coming up is going to make a sea change to the direction this country is coming in. I've got a bridge that you can buy off me. I've got a couple of bridges and one of them is Tamar Bridge. Good bridge that is. Yeah, you can buy that off me if you think that that's going to happen because it's not. In fact, voting in Labour is probably the worst. I would rather people stick with the Conservatives than vote in Labour because, you know, if you look at what happened during the Covid period, what did Labour want to do? They wanted to lock you down harder, jab you up more, stick you in masks more, shut down the schools more. They wanted all of that and it'll be the same in the future. It won't just be 15-minute cities, they're going to make it 10-minute cities or 5-minute cities. So that's what you get if you vote for Pepsi and, if you vote for Coke, you're just going to get the same. But people don't seem to realise that because they are dyed in the wool, red and blue, they can't think any other way.And their behaviour when they go to the ballot box is mechanical. And the other thing is, the other argument I get is, don't vote at all. Everybody should not vote and withdraw their power. And I don't know what to do about that argument either, because it's sort of correct in some ways, but they can't see the other side, i.e. if everybody turned out to vote, you might be able to enact some change.
 
Maybe it's just voting for independent, maybe it's just people going and actually disregarding the other parties and simply saying well I'm just going to put an x beside independent and do something completely different, and see if that changes things.Uh well it would, wouldn't it? It would. However there's another issue of voting independent, I'm making my candidacy sound weaker and weaker as I go along, is I don't have a powerful machine behind me and so let's just say I did get voted in at Plymouth and I've got 15 Labour councillors and 15 Conservative councillors, a couple of Greens who just got in because of the of the tree huggers and then there's me as an independent candidate. They don't care if I'm there or not, I make no difference and I've got no clout, I've got no financial resources, I've got no political influence or power behind me to make any decisions. If there were 15 independent councillors in Plymouth or you know in any local authority then we can really make a difference because they require our vote and as far as I'm concerned I'm lent a vote in the guise of old Ben. You lend me your vote and I do with that as you wish and if I don't then you take that vote away from me. That sort of aspect of democracy is gone with party politics.
 
Completely and I think people, I think the Conservatives' tagline should be vote Conservative slightly better than Labour, absolutely just their margins, it's not going to be any massive change. But obviously if you get voted in it is a position, it's possibly less about the absolute power that you will wield but it is about that platform that you are afforded as an elected official and you can use that platform to speak good. So that I think is the benefit of local independent candidates winning the seats and using that position.Of course it is. I want to be able to speak out. I'm not interested in gaining power.Like you said, a platform. I want that platform so that I can be heard and so that I can speak out on the issues that affect my city and actually affect us nationally and globally.When you think about things like 15-minute cities, which are coming down the line, which is actually really interesting Peter, because a lot of people that I've spoken to and a lot of messages that I've received have all been about 15-minute cities. So for those of you that are listening, if you don't want 15-minute cities and you've got two hours left to go out and vote, go vote for your independent councillor, because he's probably standing for that one of those for that particular reason, he's he's not aware of all the other conspiracies, but he is aware of the 15 minute cities. And it's like a gateway conspiracy. 15 minute cities is a way of getting in. And you can work backwards from the 15 minute cities to some of the other stuff that people have dismissed, because the BBC have told them not to listen to it. So I would be using that platform to speak out on those issues and it's why the trees were cut down.
Yeah and and the gap between conspiracy and reality, actually when you look at 15 Minute Cities that is extremely short and that's I think why it's worried people because it is right here at our doorstep in cities all across the UK.Can I just, the last 10 minutes or so, can I ask you about kind of you getting the, voice out on a range of issues, and obviously one of those is TNT radio, and it intrigues me.It's something that I hadn't come across until maybe a couple of months ago.Fantastic range of individuals on so many programs. I mean, tell us about that and how that gets your message out. And why should people tune in and listen to your wisdom on a Sunday?Oh, definitely. You definitely want to be listening to my wisdom, or should I say my guest's wisdom? I'm not that wise. I just sit there and let them talk and do the heavy lifting.Yeah, TNT is a very interesting setup. I started working with them as a regular guest, just over 12 months ago, beginning of 2022. By the summer, I was doing bit part work for them By September, I was a full-time employee.As I said, I come in and do news segments for 10 minutes throughout the day, and then I have my own show at weekends. There are other great shows.Got Locked and Loaded with Rick Munn, really, really good show.Patrick Henningsen is on at 5 PM, I believe, weekdays for a couple of hours.We've got James Freeman.Katie Hopkins has now joined us, so she's on at nine o'clock every morning.So we have, it has gradually grown and our only brief really is that we must do everything we can to try and tell nothing but the truth regardless of it's how controversial it is, regardless of how opposed it is to mainstream narratives, to what the BBC is saying, to what Sky is saying, CNN and so on. So that's our only brief and just to get put that into some sort of context, I said, um... I said in one of my news reports, at TNT we try to tell what we believe is the truth.I got an email for saying that and I got my ass reamed because it's like, nah, you tell the truth, not what you believe to be the truth, not your truth, you tell the truth. And we have tried to do that on a variety of issues ranging from Ukraine war, which I speak about quite regularly, or the Ukraine conflict, COVID, 15-minute cities as we've already brought up, all the conspiracies, all the stuff that you're being told isn't true, pay no attention, look over here at the nice little pink fluffy bunny rabbit, don't look over here at the 15-minute city stuff.We're trying to get that out and our station is gradually growing. We've had about 4 million, 5 million downloads in the last 12 months, which is pretty good for the first year.There's quite a lot of money being thrown at the station as well to make it successful.And I hope it continues in the same vein. And I manage to stay working for them because I'm overjoyed that after literally studying conspiracies for 20 odd years, I now get to talk about them. And they've all come true, Peter, which is the scary part. They've all actually come true. That wasn't meant to happen. It used to be a fantasy world that I lived in.They do. And I'm glad that we don't have to listen to your truth. I'm glad we can listen to the truth, so which is something more than that could be the same thing. But obviously you don't have the issue, that many of our viewers saw what happened to Mark Steyn on GB News removed because simply he was highlighting those who've been vaccine injured. TNT Radio was different, you have that freedom to talk, is that correct?
 
Yeah, we're not got any oversight by Ofcom in the UK at the moment. We are internet based. We're broadcast out of Brisbane in Australia. We are global. We are a group of people dotted all over the world. I speak to George Eliasson every night.He's in every afternoon. He's in the Donbass there. So we've got some people situated everywhere. We've got people in Japan. We've got people in South America, people in Europe, Australia, USA, so on. And we're just a group of people basically in a room like I am, like you can see in my front room, and we are broadcast over the internet. However, that might change with this online harms bill that's being put through, and they want Ofcom to have oversight of internet-based communications. And if so, TNT may fall underneath that. And if that's the case, then obviously you're you're going to have to fear for the UK broadcast of TNT Radio because Ofcom would slash it within 24 hours if they could, I'm sure.Yeah, well, that is really frightening seeing what's happened in Ireland is also, I think, a precursor to what we are facing. And just to say people can obviously they can call in and they can participate. Is that correct?
 
Yeah, we have call in shows. So nine o'clock and ten o'clock shows with Katie, Rick and Natalie Chill. You are able to call in every morning, have your say, you can call in and discuss, you know, over what they're talking about, or you'd probably be quite happy just to listen to you come in with a new topic and ask for a discussion on just about anything that's in the current news cycle.
 
Oh that's well, I think people would enjoy their morning to give a call in and you can give Katie your wisdom, there's no bigger firecracker than Katie Hopkins, we've had on before and I've got to know over the years. Darren, thank you for your time today. It's great to hear about what you're doing, standing in the locals. Again, we'll leave our viewers and listeners with the encouragement that if they haven't voted, as they'll be listening to this on Thursday evening, do get out and get to your local polling booth and cast your vote. And if you're not sure who to vote, then pick an independent.As Darren said. And thank you, Darren, for sharing what you're doing on TNT Radio. Love listening to it. And what a wide range of individuals that are on there. So thank you.
I have to get you on. I have to get you on my Sunday show, Peter.
So I'm yours whenever.
 
I will send you a message after that. And we'll book a date.
Sounds good. But to our viewers and our listeners, do make sure and go out and vote. Thank you for tuning in. I will be back with you shortly. So thank you and goodbye.
 
Cheers.

Tina Ramirez - The Road to State Senate: CRT, Crime and Election Integrity

Tina Ramirez has championed religious freedom and human rights all over the world for her whole working life. She now brings that experience, knowledge and passion to the US political scene by standing for The State Senate in Virginia. She has extensive political experience from her role as a foreign policy advisor for numerous Members of Congress. Her boldness in speaking up on issues such as Critical Race Theory, even when she was advised that it was too contentious shows desire to speak truth irrespective of the consequences. This is one lady who truly believes what she stands for so join us this episode to be inspired as you listen to Tina as she shares how she will make a difference in the Virginia Senate.Whether crafting legislation, securing the release of imprisoned victims, or engaging foreign dignitaries, Tina Ramirez has worked diligently to bring greater freedom and dignity to people around the world. From her early days as a high school teacher, through recent years in charge of an international non-profit organization, she has committed her entire life to service and to the preservation of human rights for all people.While working for the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, she developed policies to improve religious freedom in several countries. As a Foreign Policy Advisor for numerous members of Congress, she helped start and direct the bi-partisan Congressional International Religious Freedom Caucus.In 2013, she used her experience to create Hardwired Global, an organization that addresses the root causes of religious conflict and works to defend the rights of the oppressed. She has since worked in more than 30 countries and trained hundreds of journalists, lawyers, religious leaders, and teachers. Tina’s work has provided a simple, inexpensive way to counter persecution and build respect for religious freedom globally that is working. She has testified before the U.S. Congress, the United Nations, and the African Union, and has published several articles and books related to her work on human rights and religious freedom.Tina was raised near her mother’s large, extended family in Powhatan County, Virginia where her father founded a medical practice and her mother ran a midwifery practice. Her parents, both second-generation descendants of Mexican and Czech immigrants and both Air Force Veterans, influenced Tina’s passion for service, freedom, and work with people worldwide. For Tina, Chesterfield is more than home: as the birthplace of religious freedom in America, it embodies her life-long work and calling. Tina now lives in Chesterfield with her daughter, Abigail.Follow and Support Tina...WEBSITE: https://tinaramirez.com/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TinaRamirezVA?s=20FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TinaRamirezVA/Hardwired Global...WEBSITE: https://www.hardwiredglobal.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/HardwiredOrg?s=20Interview recorded 26.4.23
 
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Tina Ramirez, who is a candidate for the Virginia Senate, the 12th district. I first met Tina last year when I was over stateside, and I followed her work on foreign policy, on religious engagement, regarding democracy in many other countries. I mean, she's worked all over the world in training individuals up to try and bring peace and stability to many countries.And she's bringing that experience to the U.S political environment, to the Senate there, the state Senate in Virginia.So we talk about a range of issues that she is passionate about.There's no end to that. But we only took four.Talk about CRT, critical race theory, why she's been so vocal on this.Years ago, I remember reading pieces of her discussing this.She's been warned off it. But no, she's this is vital to speak about this.So we talk about that and the impact on children in the education system in America.We talk about the economy, how there are so many issues with the economy and how the Democrats seem to be purposely wanting to destroy it.We talk about crime, homelessness, drugs and the mess that some of the cities are in America.So she talks about her passion on fixing that, on addressing some of those underlying issues.And then we end up with election integrity. and that's one of her issues on her website.You can click that and get the list, securing elections, making sure they're fair and free.And she talks about why this is such a vital area and what needs to be done to make sure that elections are free and fair for every US citizen.I know you'll enjoy listening to Tina. She has inspired me with her foreign policy work and maybe if you're stateside in Virginia, you'll even be able to vote for her.So here's Tina.Tina Ramirez, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
(Tina Ramirez)
Peter, thanks for having me. I'm super excited to be on your show.Oh, it's great, and I had the privilege of meeting you last year. We'll get into that.But for the viewers, you can find Tina @TinaRamirezVA. TinaRamirez.com is the website, the campaign website, and we're going to get into that.But Tina is the founder of Hardwired Global that addresses the root causes of religious conflict trains and equips local leaders around the world and the other part of her many talents that we will focus on today is that she is a senate candidate for Virginia's 12th district. Now Tina I said I had the privilege of spending time with you the end of last year and our US viewers may know you but for the sake of our UK viewers could you just take a moment or two and introduce yourself?
 
Absolutely. Thank you, Peter. So I, as Peter mentioned, I run an organization called Hardwired Global. We believe that everyone is hardwired to be free and we fight for religious freedom and the freedom of conscience around the world and helping governments and people that want to have freedom secure that freedom through laws and educational policies that promote their fundamental rights. And so I work all over the world, Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, many countries that that are failing their people and where the people need to secure their freedom.But I also work in the United States to help secure freedom here as well.I train teachers across the United States to counter woke indoctrination and Marxist ideas and to ensure that people have really the constitutional freedoms here in America that we understand preserved and protected in future generations through education.The religious freedom is something I've built my life upon and I want it secured not just around the world, but I want it to remain protected here in America, and so I've fought throughout my life for that. I worked at the US Congress building a caucus on religious freedom and travel globally, Defending persecuted people and worked for the Becket fund which defended hobby lobby before the supreme court, 90 protecting the rights of conscience of businesses against being forced to provide abortifacient drugs So I have a long history and background, but right now I'm also running for the state senate in Virginia, And this is a critical election because as many of your viewers know the states are really the determiners of fair election laws and, What's going to happen moving forward in our country? And so I am running for a Senate seat That's pivotal to ensuring that we have the majority here in Virginia for the Republican Party to protect those conservative values.
 
Excellent. Thank you so much for that before we jump in if I can just play your I think your campaign ad, which I saw on your Twitter feed, just came out earlier this month, but let me play this 30-second for our viewers.
(video plays)
Over 100 years ago, my great-grandparents came to this country legally, the right way, to pursue the American dream.My grandfather proudly served during World War II to protect American freedom, and it, was my grandfather's service that inspired me to found an organization that defends religious freedom in America and around the world.Today, do-nothing career politicians are failing to defend our conservative freedoms in Virginia.I'm Tina Ramirez. Like you, I've had enough.As your state senator, I'll be your conservative fighter.Now, there are a whole load of areas we could get into, but I think we'll just aim for maybe three or four issues.One of them is CRT, critical race theory. And I remember looking back and you'd written a piece saying critical race theory divides families and you're a mom with a biracial child.And that, I guess, brings a personal concern to this debate.Maybe you want to tell us why you've been so vocal against CRT.Yeah, thank you, Peter. Well, I'm a single mother as well. And so, you know, many people saw during COVID and the shutdown of our schools, how parents were becoming more and more aware of what was going on in the classroom because our kids were sitting in front of computer screens. And we were seeing first hand through Zoom classroom sessions that children were essentially being indoctrinated in a woke ideology that was rooted in Marxist theory.And this is critical race theory. And I've read all of the articles that they were promoting throughout Virginia in our school system on this, and they were very open about the fact that it was rooted in Marxist theory and Marxist ideology, and that they were set on overturning the white heterosexual male Christian establishment to elevate minority people, regardless of any kind of merit or justification just based on the colour of their skin and to suppress the other group really with justification for any violence needed to overthrow the other category of people.And I just, I saw, I started reading this and seeing it, seeing it in our schools.I had a local junior high school here where they showed a video of a young boy, a white male child apologizing for his whiteness, apologizing to females, apologizing for so many things that this young student had never been responsible for, but this was part of the indoctrination that was taking place in schools across Virginia.And that was just the tip of the iceberg. But I was very vocal about this a few years ago when it erupted.I was one of the first people running for office to expose what was going on and to speak out on the news about it.And I remember even other Republicans saying to me, don't talk about this. Don't touch it.It's, you know, it's not a good thing for you to do politically.And I just thought, are you kidding me? I'm a Hispanic mother of a biracial child.And yet, because of the colour of my skin, you want me to allow the public school system to teach herthat I am somehow oppressive and an oppressor and need to be violently overtaken within our country because of the colour of my skin, which is essentially what they were teaching.And they were dividing my family. And I wasn't going to have anything to do with that.So I did speak out vocally. I think it's a travesty here in Virginia that, this was happening, but it wasn't just happening here. It was happening all across the United States where it really comes out of, I think, a lot of what we saw with the Obama administration where he went on this apology tour around the world saying, I'm so sorry for America being so great, as though we should somehow apologize for our greatness and for the freedom that we've brought millions of people around the world, trillions of people.It's freedoms that I fought for around the world that we've been given the blessing of being able to fight for because of the freedom we have here.So to see those freedoms trampled on and then Marxist theory promoted in our classrooms, which I studied human rights as a conservative.I fought for human rights around the world for people that don't have it. And human rights is based in an idea of inherent human dignity and value. So to see that thrown out the window for Marxism, which we literally fought a world war against, to me, it was just unconscionable. And that's why I've spoken out so much against it.And there's so much more I can talk about, but I'm sure you've seen it too, Peter. And Virginia really was at the precipice of this fight here in America. And so we had to, as parents, as mothers, as citizens, we had to fight against this.Well, no, it's a big issue, obviously. It's not as big a concern here in the UK, and I live in London, which is a very mixed city, and you, friends, colleagues, neighbours from all over the world, every background, ethnicity, and my concern, certainly having two children as well, growing up here, is that this divides, is that this puts them and us and makes people see, makes children see their friends through the colour of their skin and not just as being a friend.
Right. Well, and Martin Luther King taught us to not judge people based on the colour of their skin, to see beyond that, to judge them on the value of their character. And this completely turned that thought out of its head, but it really was just the beginning. So under the Northam administration here in Virginia, a Democrat, the previous governor of Virginia. He started implementing policies where he was promoting this thing called the Critical Inquiry Initiative across Virginia. And so seven different school districts across Virginia or counties adopted critical race theory in the training of their teachers and in their school curriculum.And the small, very rural country town that I grew up in, Powhatan, right next to where I live right now, adopted this training program and was implementing these really racist ideas and Marxist ideas into their classroom.So we began to see children extremely confused, but also beginning to lack the ability to have critical thinking about differences of opinion and belief now I fought for religious freedom and the freedom of conscience around the world so my whole my whole life for the last 20 years of my career has been built upon, teaching people how to have verychallenging diverse opinions brought out into open form of a public debate in this marketplace of ideas and not to be afraid of different ideas but to allow them to flourish because that's where freedom and civil society and and civil discourse and and our freedoms really evolve is within that free public space of ideas, But they wanted to shut that down here in Virginia and then people that disagreed with them were being labelled hateful, racist, oppressors essentially and so, you know, that's not that's not what America is all about that's not what a civil discourse is all about. That's how you shut down freedom. That's how you force people to conform andthat's really the end of any kind of civil freedom in our society and so that's why we had to fight against it. But when we started to see what was happening, parents started speaking out in northern, Virginia I helped a woman who's actually, you know a Democrat not even a Republican but she essentially I think saw the light because she was in, she was an Indian woman whose son was going to one of the top schools here in Virginia it was a science and technology school andthe Northam administration wasn't just teaching critical race theory and, that being problematic in the school and as an Indian American she was then put in the category of an oppressor, which was insane. But because her socioeconomic class was higher than Hispanics and Blacks, they then began to put in place equity policies in the schools. And in her school in particular, which was a very advanced governor's school, like a charter school here in Virginia and we only have seven.The new policies would have promoted Blacks and Hispanics above other categories of, Virginians, so Indian Americans, Caucasian Americans, etc, even if they didn't excel on their on their scores to get into the school as well as the others did so they're basically going to promote people that without merit, Over people that had actually worked so hard to get into these schools like her son so she I helped her and she filed a lawsuit against the state of Virginia for basically a violation of the Civil Rights Code, in title 9 which which goes against any kind of inequalities and racism which is essentially what they were promoting my daughter obviously is black I'm Hispanic and so I don't think that we need them to lower the bar for us to get into a school I find that offensive, I find it offensive for my daughter and I think many people of diverse backgrounds find it offensive and you know Blacks and Hispanics shouldn't be promoted over Indians or Caucasians or vice versa in any way this is racism and that's what the Northam administration was promoting and then as we began to, unpackage not just that but everything else in Virginia we started seeing that they were promoting pornography in the schools and children's books that were promoting paedophilia even as low even into our elementary schools with kindergartners that could have viewed these images, and the democrats in charge here in Virginia were justifying all of this and saying that we as parents didn't have a right to challenge teachers or to challenge what was happening in the classroom and so I fought very hard over the last few years to promote school choice to promote freedom in our education to promote parents rights in our education because I don't think kids and any kids, not just my own, should be taught what to think. They should be taught how to think.They should be taught critical thinking. And it was all rooted back in this woke Marxist ideology that we've seen justrun rampant here in Virginia and cause so much chaos and confusion amongst our children.And so that's what we've been fighting here in Virginia.But I'm sure your viewers have seen this is not just a fight in Virginia.It's gone all across the United States where parents have woken up and seen what's going on in the classroom and they're fighting against it.
You know, I've seen many of those school board meetings and I wish we had those in the UK, but we don't. That's another story. But there's school board meetings of parents standing up and saying this is not acceptable.How does it fit in with elected officials? So the position of the Senate there.Can they then hold those schools to account, those school governors to account? How does it work?Because it has to be a partnership. It's the parents standing up in those school board meetings, but it's also the parents watching, listening, voting well, so that they get elected officials who can actually stop this happening across the schools.
 
Right. Well, so we've been very involved in helping to bring together those parent voices and organize and fight back. And so here in my area in Chesterfield County, we were able to organize a rally with over 200 parents overnight that just showed up and ensure that our board of supervisors then issued a vote to, or we put pressure on them, so they issued a vote to overturn critical race theory in our schools. And so at least here in Chesterfield County, we were somewhat protected, but there's so much more work that needs to be done. And then we helped over the last few years identify and support and get candidates to run for school board and the Board of Supervisors across Virginia to to help overturn these really bad decisions at the local level in our schools. And so that's been a critical area that I've been fighting over the last few years. And now obviously I'm running for state Senate. And in the Senate, a lot of these policies have been pushed at the administrative level from the, um, just by government bureaucrats in the Department of Education and elsewhere. And so our job is to hold them accountable and to reverse those policies.They have policies, for instance, on transgender,transgender policies in the schools that promote essentially that children can be indoctrinated in a lot of ideologies about their sexuality without parents knowing or having any say over what their, what the children are doing or being taught in schools.And so there's, there's so much ambiguity in the rules and the laws that the Northam Democratic administration previously had put in place that we have to reverse.But in Virginia, we won an election in 2021 with Governor Yunkin and the Lieutenant Governor and the Attorney General winning. So we have a Republican administration, we have a Republican House of Delegates, but we do not have a Republican Senate.And so over the last year and a half, they've been working extremely hard within the Republican Party to pass better laws and to reverse a lot of these bad policies in the schools, but they can't do it because everything gets blocked in the Senate.Essentially the democrats in the senate have said that there will be a brick wall against these policies that these conservative policies that governor Younkin and our republican majority want to pass and so, this election the reason it's so critical is that when we win this year and win my seat, which is one seat we have to flip and then another seat will need two seats to flip we will have the majority in the house in the senate we can start reversing, so much craziness that's been going on both in our schools, but also with our election system, and our ability to support the police and in so many other areas.So this election really is critical for that.And to make sure that we get back on track, you probably, some of your viewers probably saw a man whose daughter was raped in school and he protested at a school board meeting and then was dragged out and then labelled a terrorist by the Biden administration and literally had the FBI going after him to be a domestic terrorist because he was somehow disturbing the peace in the school board meeting.Well, he wasn't. What came out later was that his daughter had been raped.The school board tried to cover it up and he was protesting that and, he was, his voice was shut down. And so there's now a lawsuit out over this case I mean this father deserved his right to protect his child and in Virginia schools children aren't being protected and the rights of parents aren't being protected and there are a lot of laws and policies that have put in place under the Democrats that we need to reverse, protecting children from being raped in the schools, it was a transgender person that had gone into the bathroom and had raped his young daughter.These kinds of things have to stop.And so until we have people in office that can fight back against that and change or reverse these policies, our children aren't safe.And we, as parents, we're very concerned.
I think it's vital, again, just to repeat what you said about taking that majority and why exactly it's fallen along party lines so much, similar actually to the UK, across Europe as well, is another conversation.But it's good to know that parents, as they vote, they can actually make a difference.Because sometimes I think the public think possibly their vote isn't worth anything and things just happen as normal.But I think voting correctly and voting for you in the 12th district, And that puts someone in who will stand up for their values.Let me add there a couple of others. One, of course, is the economy, which affects every American, every Brit, every person, and it's the the cost of items.
And that's what really surprises people and affects people. And when you have to make those choices and we have sky high inflation, you have it there.Government spending like there is no tomorrow. How do you approach this issue as a candidate?
Yeah, Peter, every day I talk to people on the phone, at the doors, when I'm door knocking for the campaign, when I'm out about at the grocery store.Every day I meet people who are really struggling to just pay their bills.Yesterday I was at an antique store and a gentleman came in and was selling off two of his older electric guitars and I had a conversation with him and he said, look, before we never, my daughter never heard us talk about how we had to strap the belts up a little bit and and save money and struggling to pay for things.She never heard those conversations, you know, from 2016 to 2020, the economy is great under President Trump.And in the last couple of years, people like this, like this man have been selling things out of their home to just try to make ends meet and put food on the table to pay for gas.It's shocking that in a country where we have so much wealth and prosperity and we have so many opportunities that the average American is literally having to sell goods just to pay to put food on a table.They can't even afford gas to get to work sometimes because gas has gone so high.It's really hurting the American family. The tax policies are hurting the average American family who don't have places to hide it like big corporations or like, or who are not, or they're just, they're being overtaxed.I mean, our tax rate is at least 30% in middle America.And so a third of your income is going out the door, but when prices are twice as high or three times, four times as high as they used to be, you can't afford to live anymore.And I'm meeting people at every socioeconomic level now that are struggling to make ends meet and to do the just the normal things that they did with their families and so it's really heart-breaking to hear and it's even more heart-breaking then to see the not just the federal government but our local government here in Virginia.They had a surplus for several years during COVID, and they spent it.Did they think of saving for the future? Did they think of maybe things wouldn't be as, no, they just spend it.They spend it as though it's just going to be this constant stream that they can take from us and spend without recourse and responsibility. And the problem is Americans are hurting now.Virginians are hurting now.We don't have the resources that we had two to three years ago and our families are hurting and they need a relief.And when the governor tried to put forward a relief in the tax bill on cars and gas, the Democrats said, no, we're not gonna do it.And they voted against it. And so, two Democrats to the majority of Virginians voted against any kind of relief on our tax bill this past year.And this is hurting families. So we see inflation, but every day I'm hearing from people that they really, they can't make their food bills anymore because food is twice as expensive.I talked to farmers today, I talked to a farmer who was, he's in the middle of his wheat harvest, planting season.The cost of equipment just to plant has quadrupled. The cost of fertilizer has quadrupled.I have friends in the tire industry and auto industry. The cost of oil to do oil changes on cars has quadrupled.The cost of every commodity across the country has gone up two, three, four times.And they have to begin putting those costs back on customers.I talked to a restaurateur this week who said, Tina, we're just making ends meet.We can't continue to survive. I mean, restaurants were shut down during COVID.They are just trying to get out of it, but they can't afford to raise their cost four times as much for their customer, because then they'll lose all their customers, but they're bearing the cost and they can only survive for so much longer because reality is food is a lot more expensive now.These are just the everyday things that I'm hearing. And our government seems to have no clue that anyone's hurting and to just keep spending, as you said, like there's no tomorrow.And that's a major problem because it's not just, we're seeing that that's having an effect on the global situation with China and other countries trying to devalue the dollar and take greater control over other countries and resources globally, and put America and Western countries in a very, very difficult situation.And this is really a threat to democracy and human freedom everywhere in the world.And there's so many areas that I was surprised each time of being over the change in fuel costs filling up, but then I was really surprised going to supermarkets and seeing the price of food items. I thought we had it bad in the UK, but it seems to be much higher there.But again, when you look at the debate, I'm kind of confused. The Democrats don't seem to want to address it at all. And it's happening before your eyes. You drive past the fuel pumps and you can see the prices. You fill up your shopping basket, your shopping trolley, and you realize it's gone up by 10% than it was a month ago. Special offers are not there. And then on top of that, you've got the impact on the economy of, I guess, your southern border and what's happening there. But there's so many issues. And to me, and then on top of that, debt relief the different groups. And then when we mentioned CRT about payments to those who may be affected by slavery hundreds and hundreds of years ago, none of it has joined up thinking it seems to be the Democrats simply are just destroying, crashing the economy and Americans are just, basically cannon fodder. They're just in the middle, they're getting hit. And it's really strange when you look at it from the UK and you look at what's happening policy-wise and you think everything that's being done is just seemingly making the situation worse.
I think the thing that's most frustrating to me is I'm a single mother. I run a business. I have to balance my budget I have to make cuts to provide for my family and to ensure that I can take care of my daughter and I, have to make sure that my business has enough money going for the next year or two years, etc.Like I have to do this as an average American every American does but the government doesn't seem to think that they need to and when then when they talk about well we want to pay for the student loans of students that can't afford them, or we want to give out more handouts, or we want to let more people across the border to put a burden on our hospital and police system and everything else.They want to give everything away for free.They don't, and then they want to hurt the people in the middle like myself and most, average Americans that are the ones footing the bill.They have no concern for the average family that is struggling just to survive and take care of their family and do the right thing.I think that's what's so insane. I pay for my student loans.I am a single mother.I pay for my daughter. I take care of our family. I'm not looking for a handout.Why is it that the people that work hard, that pay their taxes, that take care of their families, that are running their businesses and creating wealth and opportunities for others are the ones suffering and struggling so that they can give things out to people that don't want to work, that want to come across the border illegally, that are not willing to go out and get a job, why is it that we're the ones being attacked?I am pro-family, I am pro-worker, I am pro-people, businesses that want to help the economy grow.Unfortunately, the Democratic Party has abandoned people that want to work and have merit.It goes back to the education conversation we just had. Under the Northam administration here in Virginia, we didn't know about this until just this year.It was exposed that for two to three years now.Schools were not allowing students that had been given merit awards for their excellence in education. They were they were, hiding their merit awards. They weren't telling the students about them, So they hid them because they thought that it was maybe racist or inequitable I don't know what their word was to tell students that over performed or that performed highly that they were given these merit awards, so these students who excelled were then entering into colleges and and not getting the scholarships or the advancement that they deserved, that they earned in college and paying for it themselves because the government said, well, it's inequitable.We want to lower the bar for you. We don't wanna give you a merit award.We've become a society where merit is being devalued. And as soon as that happens, you have an economy that's gonna crumble because who's gonna work in a system where hard work isn't valued anymore.The American society was built upon hard work and grit and opportunity.That's what people come here for. And so as soon as we lose that, what do we have as a society? And so I am absolutely fighting against these liberal woke policies that are destroying our country and the idea even that de Tocqueville talked about of the greatness of America.Tina, when you're talking there, it's the American dream that I'm thinking of.And of course that's been impacted massively by the financial hit, the economy hit, the debt burdens we talked about, but also it's crime is another way.I think when I went to LA for the first time back in April, I, it was the one city I felt unsafe in and looking at the homelessness, tent cities everywhere.Just actually on, yeah, in Europe we use trains, using the underground, the metro system, and there was a fight, bottles getting smashed, and it was just quite alien to me.And then seeing the drug issue, people lying on the pavements or the sidewalks and high on drugs.And it's I'm wondering, politicians seem to be oblivious to the the dangerous situation.And I'm wondering kind of how you see that. Virginia did seem to be safer, certainly I'd be there.But every state has their issues. And as that is happening in one area in the US, I guess it then spreads out and will affect other parts.So tell us about your kind of concern about crime and those issues which Americans face.Well, crime is one of my top concerns here in Virginia and across the United States.We see cities taken over by liberal policies to defund our police, really destroying the protection of the rule of law, which is really the most fundamental aspect of our society and what allows us to be free, is having a rule of law legal system, a system that people respect and, and live under, because when you don't have the rule of law, you have these, you know, banana republics, like what I work around in all over the world, you have failed democracies, failed States.When you don't have that rule of law, when you don't have institutions that people respect and protect.And sadly in America, you know, we've seen this for several years now, but especially in the last few years since COVID and the George Floyd riots, we've seen this defund the police movement, attacking our law enforcement professionals.I was endorsed by the Virginia Police Benevolent Association here in my race.And one of the reasons they endorsed me was because of my staunch defence of their right to have the resources that they need to provide a civil defence and the rule of law protection here in our community.We've seen that police have been defunded, that they have removed police resource officers in schools so that our schools are less safe.I mean, I don't know why they, you know, they're concerned about gun violence, but they wanna get rid of the school resource officers that actually protect the schools.It doesn't make any sense.Police are leaving the forces in droves in different cities, like in the city of Richmond, the capital of Virginia, the police are all leaving.They're coming to Chesterfield, where I live, because the police department here actuallywants to ensure that they have fair pay that they are that they have the support that they need and that's something that I want to continue expanding on but we see in cities across across the United States like Seattle, Portland you know, Los Angeles you name it and and even more in recent days. We've seen that these young youth groups are coordinating and are just doing flash mobs on on cities attacking businesses.And in Chicago and in New York, this is happening.And no one's doing anything about it. It's just, they're letting these young people run rampant and just attack the police, attack businesses.It happened even here in the city of Richmond during the George Floyd riots, even African-American businesses were attacked.They were indiscriminately just attacking businesses. There was no moral justification for what they were doing.It was really just violence gone rampant and there's no there's no protection And so if we if we defund the police, we're not gonna have the protection we need in our communities and that's what's happening another big thing that we see here in Virginia is, that Democrats don't only just want to fight the police and strip away their resources which the police have been fighting against and I'm supporting them in that effort but they've also been trying to strip the gun rights of gun owners. And so, Democrats when they were you know controlling all the houses of legislature and the administration tried to pass these red flag laws.And the red flag laws would essentially allow gun owners, just normal citizens like you and I to have their guns taken away if a neighbour feels in some way threatened by them, a feeling.So we based laws based on facts. We don't base laws on feelings.And the justice system is there to protect, did something happen or did it not happen?It addresses facts, it doesn't address feelings.And feelings are subjective. And so under these red flag laws.That in fact one of my opponents actually voted for, supposedly a Republican and the other opponent actually used the red flag laws that she purportedly is against against her own staff.People, average normal law-abiding citizens are having their guns taken away by, law enforcement because of some purported fear and I think that this puts law enforcement in a very precarious situation situation. In Chesterfield, they've said they wouldn't enforce these. But it also puts average Americans at risk of losing their constitutional freedoms. The First Amendment protects their freedom of speech and expression. Second Amendment protects their gun rights. The Fourth Amendment protects their right to be free from unwarranted search and seizure. So no one has a right to come into my home and to take my guns away unless there is a reason, a justifiable cause, an objective cause, not a subjective one.And that's what's happening here in Virginia. So I'm running against two opponents that don't take these things seriously.And obviously I think that's why the Police Benevolent Association has endorsed me because they understand that they need people that have their back to ensure that police have the support they need to enforce the rule of law, to protect citizens and to ensure that law abiding citizens aren't having their constitutional freedoms taken away.And that's, you know, that's something I fought for my entire life, but it's something here in Virginia I want to protect and preserve. Because I understand what happens in countries when the government doesn't allow individuals to protect themselves or doesn't have a legal rule of law system where the police can be trusted to defend you. And so we have got to secureour ability to have police and law enforcement fully supported and respected so that they can operate as they need to.
 
Let me, the one other topic I just wanted to ask you about and it's on your issue, so people go to your website and they click on the issues is securing our elections and I think of kind of election integrity, a lot being discussed of that, massive subject with a wide scale of issues to address. Obviously many people had questions over what happened in 2020, drop boxes, no ID, it goes on and on. But how do you address this issue as someone who's actually standing for public office and going to the electorate?
 
Well, I think that election integrity is really critical here in America. A lot of countries look to us as kind of the pinnacle of what fair pre-elections should look like, and I think that we've called that into question with, with the way things have been going the last few years.We have to restore confidence in our election system. And that's only going to happen when we have better laws in place that protect our elections.And first and foremost, that means that no one should be voting without an ID.Here in Virginia, you can go and you can vote without having an identity card, without having your driver's license or some other form of physical ID, which is crazy.So somebody could go and vote for me as long as they know my name and address in my place, and I would have no recourse.And I think this is a huge threat to free and fair elections I think that every American should be concerned about it. It's not just a republican or democratic issue, so voter id is first and foremost one of the most critical things we also, I mean one thing that I see around the world is you know people go and they vote on one day and they often have a, an ink stamped on their on their finger one person one vote and they'll run they'll walk for miles to go and vote on that day I've been to Iraq and Sudan and so many Nigeria so many countries where I've where I've seen them voting andhaving their one vote counted and unfortunately here in Virginia we have 45 days of early voting and..
 
45 days, wow
 
45 days of early voting and I find it offensive as an Hispanic woman and as I said as my daughter's is black that they think that somehow minorities like myself of my daughter are too stupid to vote on one day or to know how to fill out an absentee ballot to get it in ahead of time with a justified reason.You know, that was always the case that we were able to, but to say that somehow, well, we can't vote without our ID or we need 45 days of early voting and anything else would be unfair or discriminatory is just insane.This is, you know, I work with people all over the world who are minorities from different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, et cetera, who don't have a problem, literally risking their lives to go and vote on one day and get their finger stamped. There is no reason.That the Democrats are pushing these kinds of policies for any other reason than to cheat and to make, to overburden our registrar system here It not just in Virginia, but around the country and so that's what we see and we need to reduce early voting we need to get back to you know, one day of voting and, the absentee ballots that we used or the you know when people have a justified reason of using an absentee ballot of getting back to that but, but this, this free for all that we see is putting a huge burden on our registrars that are trying to work in counties for six weeks of early voting.As somebody that's running for office, my election will be on June 20th, but in reality, it starts May 5th, next Friday, because that's when early voting starts.And so for six weeks, I will be campaigning as though it's election day, which puts also a huge burden on people running for office and getting out the vote.There's no reason for this. I think that it's an unnecessary burden on every part of the electorate from the registrar down to the voter.Americans have been blessed with the right to vote, with the ability to vote.It is our public duty to vote. It is something that we should be grateful for and that we should not think it a burden to go out on that one day and to put aside a little bit of work and to go vote.That is our public duty. It's our civic duty.And so, around the world, I've been not just advocating for religious freedom, but I've been working in countries like South Sudan to restore agency in that part of the world and other parts of the world where people haven't had elections held in years and decades and they need the right to vote.And so I've been training South Sudanese how to prepare for their national election, which hasn't taken place in about 10, 12 years.And so I come home and I think, gosh, you guys need 45 days to vote and it's still not enough.And you have every excuse under the sun why you can't have an ID card and you can't have this and you can't have that.I mean, people die for the kind of freedom that we have. We should be.We, it's it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. I mean, I think that's the only way to say it.And so, yes, in the State Senate, I'm going to be fighting to ensure that we have laws that are that are common sense.
Maybe you need to learn from the motherland here in the UK. We can do all our voting between 7 a.m and 10 p.m and we can have it all counted by 2 a.m the next morning. And there's a I've been at election, many, many, many election counts and there was a rush from all the areas to get them in to be the first to be counted. It's a competition, a rush, and America seems to be the opposite, where actually you win if you're the slowest. Six weeks later, you're still counting.It's a strange concept.
 
It's horrible, but it's not a Republican policy. These are things that have been put in place by Democrats that want to subvert our election integrity and Americans are, you know, over 50% of Americans saw what happened in the last election, and don't feel comfortable with the results.And, you know, when you lose that kind of confidence in your election system, it puts America in a very different position, you know, internationally and globally.And so we're not at the forefront, we're not the leader of democracy in this respect.And we need to get back to a system where our people respect and trust the system, let alone the rest of the world where they're struggling to have free and fair elections.Just, if I can just, a few minutes, I just wanna just finish off, touch on an area that's not, well, it's not necessarily in terms of you standing as a candidate, but you've touched on it, your work abroad, and your work on foreign policy all over.And I know you were over in Iraq for their 20th anniversary.You've talked about teaching others how to vote.I mean, you bring a wealth of experience from working in other countries on seeing how they do things and seeing transitions to a democratic process.Just, can we finish on that and how you bring that expertise and experience and knowledge to the Senate?
Absolutely. I think that we are at a really important juncture here in America and in Virginia.We see so many of our institutions and processes failing and people not understanding the values that our country was founded upon.The value of the First Amendment, freedom of speech, of expression, of religion, of conscience, of association, so many of our fundamental rights, now to the point where they don't want to allow police to associate and fight for their ability to have higher pay and have the resources they need to actually protect our rule of law system, protect our Constitution.We have the Second Amendment under attack.We have the Fourth Amendment and search and seizures under attack.So many of our fundamental freedoms that, freedoms that I've fought for around the world for people in places like Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, I mean, you name it, are now at risk here in America.And I've seen this, I saw this happen, you know, 10 years ago when we fought SupremeCourt on the Hobby Lobby case just to protect the right of businesses to operate according to their conscience.These are things that I expect in other countries. They're not the things that I expect here in America.And so whenever I come back from a country like Iraq or South Sudan where I've been helping them develop an educated public to understand the importance of religious freedom so that a group like ISIS doesn't just re-emerge and brainwash the kids again.We've been training children in Northern Iraq to become resilient against terrorism and extremism.In South Sudan, we've been training members of parliament and citizens across the country in how to have agency and how to understand their rights and freedoms in a democratic system so they can actually have a free and fair election.When I go overseas to do this and I come home, I don't take those kinds of freedoms for granted.But I do see an American public that is increasingly being taught by woke ideologues to abandon those freedoms, to abandon those principles for ideas that have failed around the world, Marxist ideas that have failed.And that is very concerning because America cannot be the beacon light of freedom around the world for people that are desperately searching for it if we abandon the principles that made us great as a nation.And so I, every day as I'm in this race, I'm fighting for the America that I love, the America that I've been blessed to grow up in, the America that has allowed me to fight for freedom people around the world that don't have it.I'm fighting for the future of my daughter who's eight years old who just because of the colour of her skin shouldn't be turned against her mother or be taught to think of people in a category of oppressors and oppressed based on the colour of their skin.I'm fighting for her to grow up and to have optimism and hope and to stand up for the values that I've stood up for and to see people based on their character versus on the colour of their skin.That's the America that I'm fighting for here and the values that I'm fighting for.And because I've seen what happens when you don't have these freedoms in other countries and what, and how people can suffer. I will fight tooth and nail for it because I know how valuable and how worthwhile it is.So I just am grateful to be able to be on your show, Peter, and share what we're doing here in Virginia.There's so much to fight for.And I don't want people to be discouraged by the elections or by what's happening and just to give up, because it's so easy, I think, to give up.But when I'm meeting with people around the world that literally are risking everything, to gain the kind of freedom we have, I feel like it's even more incumbent upon us who have the freedom and haven't completely lost it to fight even harder to preserve it and protect it.So thank you for having me and letting me share. And I look forward to continuing to get to know your viewers and I hope they'll reach out to me on my website and support this campaign however they can so that we can have leaders in office that will stand up for them.Well, thank you, Tina. I've been in, I think I've been in Virginia more than any other place in America. So it does feel, it actually feels like the nice English countryside driving there. So thank you for coming on. I know our viewers can follow you on Twitter, can go to the website, can sign up, can support you financially, your campaign, can sign up to newsletters and follow what's happening. And I know us in the UK will be wishing you the best, praying for your success. And those watching, listening who are stateside in Virginia can actually use their vote to count if they live in that 12th district. So thank you for your time today, Tina.
Thank you, Peter. Well, I look forward to being with you again. Just appreciate all of your viewers reaching out to us at tinaramirez.com.We look forward to having you on as a Senator.

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Welcome to our hebdomadal show that looks back over the past seven days and this episode it's the return of the totally brilliant Ben Harnwell! As the international editor for Steve Bannon's War Room and the host of War Room: Rome, who better to talk us through what has captured his attention, piqued his interest or made his blood boil in the news, media and tabloids, including...- De-dollarization’s moment might finally be here. A BRICS Currency Could Shake the Dollar’s Dominance.- Yuan overtakes dollar to become most-used currency in China's cross-border transactions.- Average rents for properties across Britain have hit a new record high.- MSM is Dead: Tucker Carlson departs Fox News.- Lolz... Vice President Joe Biden launches 2024 re-election campaign.- Cocktails, oysters and air raid sirens, war hasn’t soured Kyiv’s taste for the good life.- Former Tory MP Andrew Bridgen expelled permanently from The Conservative Party.- Safe and Effective? What it’s like to live with vaccine injury? - Conservative Anglicans reject the Church of England and the Archbishop of Wokeness..... sorry, I mean Canterbury!In the two years between December 2006 and December 2008, Benjamin Harnwell was engaged in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity, consulting widely with various experts around the world. This work was drawn to a conclusion on 8 December 2008, when (with Gay Mitchell MEP) he founded the European Parliament’s Working Group on Human Dignity (of which he remains Honorary Secretary); and on the same date, simultaneously established (with Nirj Deva MEP) the Dignitatis Humanae Institute (of which he is Director).The Working Group was publicly launched on 25 March 2009 by European Parliament Speaker Dr. Hans-Gert Pöttering MEP (now a Patron of the Dignitatis Humanae Institute). The DHI has since been engaged in launching parallel parliamentary working groups on human dignity in various legislatures around the world, all based on the principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Dignity.Ben was the Chief of Staff to Nirj Deva MEP until the end of 2010, since which point he is now based permanently in Rome, directing the development of the DHI. When involved in politics, he was an active member of the British Conservative Party for over 15 years. Benjamin identifies himself philosophically as an Austro-libertarian, co-founding (with Vincent de Roeck) the European Parliament’s Mises Circle, which exists to promote greater recognition of the Austrian School of Economics; he also co-founded the international Right Approach Group (with Patrick Barron), to explore free-market solutions to contemporary problems.In 2002 and 2004, Ben was seconded to Colombo as Special Advisor to Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.H.E. Mons. Sánchez Sorondo, Bishop Chancellor of the Pontifical Academies of Science and Social Sciences, appointed Ben External Counsellor in 2016.Since February 2018 Harnwell, as director of the DHI, is also the director of the Abbey of Trisulti, founded in AD 1204 and National Monument of Italy since 1873.From October 2021 to date Ben serves as international editor at “Steve Bannon’s War Room” and host of "War Room: Rome" on the number 1 ranked US political podcast.Join Ben for his daily analysis on “Steve Bannon’s War Room” and on Monday-Thursday hosting 'War Room: Rome' live on GETTR and Rumble https://warroom.org/Follow Ben on.....GETTR https://gettr.com/user/harnwellTWITTER https://twitter.com/ben_harnwell?s=20&t=lyY0pPen6Hs7_y2SxnAX4gOriginally broadcast live 29.4.23Transcript available on our Substack...https://heartsofoak.substack.com/
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(Hearts of Oak)
Today, it is always good to have the international editor of Steve Bannon's War Room and host of War Room Room, and that is Ben Harnwell himself. Ben, thank you for joining us tonight.
(Ben Harnwell)
Thanks, Peter. It's a great pleasure, privilege and honour to be invited back onto the show.
Well, you were so good last time, you have to come on again. So I thoroughly enjoy watching you on War Room. Obviously, you can catch Ben @Harnwell on GETTR, is the best place to find him, and you can see his regular contributions on War Room. Ben, I thought we'd first just play a little clip of the long interview with Steve K. Bannon and President Trump. Let me bring this up and just play a little bit at the beginning, and then we can discuss this.(video plays)
President Trump, thank you very much. Thank you. This book, I think, for people that know and love you is what, what people have been waiting for, because it shows you prior to you being president.And you've got what I call the great and the good of the late 20th century and early 21st century.It's everywhere. It's entertainment, it's media, it's sports, religious figures, and you've got, you know, their letters to you, your correspondent back, the great photography, but then the special is your commentary and observations.How did you come up with the idea? Why did you want to do this?So a group of people got to see in my office, I have stacks and stacks of letters from really famous people. And they say very diverse, okay, very diverse, like actors and crazy people. Probably I shouldn't say this, probably mobsters. And, you know, we had sort of everyone yet boxers, but we had everybody and, and Richard Nixon and politicians, famous politicians and some really good ones and very personal letters. And they saw this and they said, you got to be, and they started looking and Sergio, who you just had on is terrific. Fantastic.Started looking at these letters he said these letters are incredible. I had two women, Norma who passed away but she was with me for many years and she was a fantastic woman and she worked with a young woman named Rona, Rona, Rona Graff And between the two of them, they love to save letters.And every letter was saved and preserved and beautiful and wrapped up.And all of a sudden we saw these boxes full of letters and Sergio and his staff, they went through them. They said, you're not going to believe some of these letters.Like getting a letter from Rosie O'Donnell, who was in love.I don't want to say that in the true sense of the word, but you know, she really liked me a lot.Whoopi Goldberg. By the way, Alec Baldwin, it's the whole, it's all this kind of graciousness, gratitude and class.But not just running for office, because we've got Cuomo, I'll talk to you about that.It's what you stood for when you ran for office. That's what separated it out.I want to go just to some of the, I think some of the ones that are best at the beginning.Talk to me....Now, Ben, we could go through all of that, but that would miss out your input.But that is available on War Room GETTR.It is available on War Room Rumble.But of course, Steve's time in the White House with President Trump, I mean, tell us your perspective of course of that interview as someone who is working with Steve, working with the War Room. Tell us your thoughts about it.
 
I loved that interview. I was watching it was late at night obviously here in Europe when that came out as it was for you. But I was on my seat. But this was I think the old Donald Trump, that we haven't really, relaxed, totally comfortable in his own skin, that we, I don't really know if we've seen it since the 2016 cycle. He was absolutely, it's perfect. A lot of inside details, you know, with his negotiations with Emmanuel Macron.Well there weren't many negotiations, Macron was totally rolled, but sort of inside goss on these one-on-one trade negotiations was just absolutely fascinating. And then of course you heard the, we had the exchange there with Steve and President Trump talking, and about you know how all these A-listers were corresponding with him from the 80s onwards in very warm terms. People like, they've just nominated Rosie O'Donnell and Alec Baldwin and what have you, and you sort of realize it's not, there's an element of course that when Trump declared his, when he came down the escalator and declared he was going to be a candidate, Yeah, fair enough. That is a pivot point between his relationship and all the celebrities who'd been cultivating him, because obviously he's a very rich guy, right, that had been cultivating him. And he's very well known for being a generous benefactor as well. So it's understandable that a lot of people would have been cultivating his friendship. You know, and as Steve mentioned that interview, what comes across is the respect and the warmth that these people had towards him.And that's absolutely true. And it's true that when Trump aligned himself with the America FirstMovement, and in fact takes the banner in his own hand and takes it forward, that a lot of that change.I sort of think though, and as much as that is true, there's something else going on, as well in that story and that's a lot of this opposition, you know, the people like Baldwin and Rosie O'Donnell, they're pivoted from warmth, respectful friendship to absolute Trump derangement syndrome and there's an element of that. But you know, Peter, I also think I think this thing, this book illustrates something else.A lot of that antipathy is just fake.These Hollywood A-listers and the celebrities who start foaming at the mouth, at the name Donald Trump, it's fake.They're all doing it because they believe, because they know nothing about politics.They have no, you know, they really don't understand, you know, they don't see, they don't understand as acute observers of politics should do, international affairs and economics as a relationship between cause and effect.And when you're looking at effect, you need to trace back and find out what that cause is.If you want to deal with it, you can't just stand there at an award ceremony and vote to a certain thing that you've done something about it.So obviously these people know literally zero about politics or current affairs, but they all, there's a lot of peer pressure and these people are very shallow and narcissistic and they fall in line.They take the line that's given to them and they quite happily fall in it.I don't see, Peter, what the explanation is, to go from, as this book is a testament of, from that degree of affection to Trump derangement syndrome. the opposition that we see, and which is very influential.People are, in the social media age, they are enormously influenced by influencers and celebrities.And I don't know, perhaps it's salutary to take a moment and stop and just realize that a lot of this is just absolutely fake, which is why they, why on the very rare occasion, Peter, that these people are held to account and to ask to expand on their opposition, they, you know, they stumble and stammer, they're in the mumble tank because they can't actually explain the reason for the emotional intensity of their supposed opposition. But look, the interview, it was based around this book and the correspondence within it, but it's actually far more than that. It was a real, you know, I don't think, Peter, that Donald Trump has allowed an interview at like basically one and a half hour full-length interview in this way with anyone since, no, not since leaving office, since declaring his candidacy, I certainly can't remember it, and most of the interviews, because you know, unlike President Biden, President Trump is quite happy to submit himself to hostile questioning. This was actually really unique in interviews so many regards because you don't have that superficial mainstream media attempt to virtue signal your opposition to Trump when you're interviewing him in the questions.So that doesn't make a show in. So actually you get it's Donald Trump with his former chief strategist going through and actually intelligently talking about so many things from Ukraine to Biden, to immigration, to the economy, without just the sheer waste of time, this fake antipathy it brings to it.So I would strongly, strongly, strongly, strongly, strongly recommend to anyone watching this weekly review with us now, to go on to either Steve Bannon's GETTR account or the War Room account.We've got a great selection, I'm going to be pushing some out in the next 24 hours on my own account, great selection of highlights from that interview and I can't recommend it more because it really shows you Donald Trump in the most, you know, the most human and approachable light. And we're starved of that, thanks to the mainstream media filter.I don't know what you thought about that interview, but I was just captivated by the whole thing.I agree. And for the sake of time, I'll just say it was great to have, obviously, President Trump knows Steve Bannon, Steve knows Trump.And to have that conversation with two friends is different from a normal interview where the people don't know each other.So that level of familiarity brings a conversation amongst friends.And I think the viewer gets an insight into that connection.But we could talk about that for the rest of the evening. I will leave it to the viewers if they haven't already watched it to make sure they do watch it because it is an interview amongst two friends.And in that connection, you get to see a lot and learn a lot of things from that.
Peter, can I just add to that before we move on?
 
Of course you can.
That's absolutely true. Because of the intimate sort of atmosphere of it between, as you say, two people, two friends, two colleagues who work together, obviously, on the campaign in 2016. Part of, you know, because of that intimacy there, that, you know, it wasn't so much of a formal, hostile interview, but I don't know about you Peter, but I got the impression as if I was sort of eavesdropping at some point on, you know, There are two people who know one another who are having a private chat in the corner of a bar, and you're just listening and eavesdropping in on some of what they were saying.Because there were some unguarded moments, but people need to go and watch it.
I agree. It felt as though you're intruding on a private conversation.I get that 100 percent.I did feel that as well. It felt a bit bad. Well, it's there for all to see.But yeah, that's there for all to see, the viewers and listeners go to war room on GETTR or on rumble and you can watch the whole interview but moving on to other events because uh President Trump that will be over the next 18 months so you're going to get a lot of that don't you worry but moving on to the economics and this is a intriguing story. A BRICS currency could shake the dollar's dominance. De-dollarization movements might finally be here. And the first part of his talk of a de-dollarization is in the air. Last month, the New Delhi, Alexander Babakov, deputy chairman of Russia's State Duma, said that Russia is now spearheading the development of a new currency. It is to be used for cross-border trade by the BRICS nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. And it is intriguing to see this change in, I guess, geopolitical financial control away from the power of the US dollar over to other economies that are actually growing much faster and taking on a bigger market share. And we've heard, I guess, the death kneel of the dollar many times. What are your thoughts on this Ben?
Well, actually, we discussed this on the War Room earlier on in the week.I'll make some different points this evening from what I made before.My first observation is that you're looking at the countries here, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and you've got Saudi Arabia as well sort of sitting in the side-lines.These are countries which have rivalries and mutual distrusts between them and Joe Biden is a pretty bad president.But the formation of BRICS, I think it was actually launched by Lula himself some 10 years ago when he was last in power, What a whole succession of incompetent and hubristic US administrations have succeeded in doing, is giving the glue to these disparate countries to come together and start working now on our trading area come eventual currency union, specifically because they distrust the United States so much.And this isn't a distrust towards the American people. It's a distrust towards the CIA.The meddling in their own international domestic politics, the military industrial complex, the whole of the warmongering, the endless warmongering.It's a persistent distrust of that, that has brought these countries together to overcome their, as I say, their mutual suspicions and distrust, but to work together. And I have to say, even though, you know, you and I were both fans of very, very, very, verystrong allies of the American people, but the damage that its corrupt MIC regime has been doing for decades to the detriment of the American people, the distrust that has generated in these countries is not exactly Peter, out of place. That is, they have good reason and to want to work together because the military industrial complex is out of control.And yeah, so that's really my point here. It will be to the detriment of the American people eventually, the loss of the dollars, the international currency of settlement. And that will, that, you know, because once that evaporates, the demand to hold dollars internationally by central banks will diminish.And then of course, then America will be held by the ordinary laws of economic reality when it comes to printing money as all other countries are.And that will hit the American people very hard. They've been protected to somewhat for the last 70 years from those consequences.So on the one hand, this move isn't to be welcomed from the perspective of the American people, but it is to be understood, and by understood I mean the lessons are to be learned just how bad the US meddling in other countries abroad has been.
Well, that was on the BRICS country, and then this story is specifically on China.This is from Reuters.The UN overtakes dollar to become most-used currency in China's cross-border transactions.And there, the UN became the most widely used currency for cross-border transactions in China in March, overtaking the dollar for the first time, and talks about the difference in payments.And this is, again, interesting. It is the rise of China and their global influence.We've seen it militarily.We've seen it economically. And this is more of the power of their own currency, which then cuts out the ability of the US to have influence.So this kind of builds on the BRICS story, specifically looking at China.Yeah, absolutely it does. It's important to remember, but you know, just weaning back to BRICS for a moment, that when Bolsonaro was president of Brazil, he tacked a very, very different line. He was very hostile to China and very close to the United States.And because Biden is basically a cretin, he believed that it would be better in US interests to have a hard-line pseudo-communist like Lula as president of Brazil, rather than another Trump type of nationalist.You know, and you just, you wonder what is the nature of political calculation going on in those around the leader of the free world to do that because the first thing Lula has done is pivoted straight back to Beijing, to the detriment of the United States and you think basically, the ruling class, that parasitical class that is running the United States into the ground, are they actually being bought off by another country, hostile to the United States' interest. I mean is it possible to be in innocence that incompetent?
Yeah it makes you wonder what is happening and we're all witnessing that change of the guard I think on the economic world stage.I'm on of course why not with Biden completely incompetent and the chaos that he isputting to the US economy and Ben you and I watch from a distance but for all our American viewers they're suffering the consequences of that. But this here's a story about the impact of the economic changes, impact on inflation and many other aspects and I think wherever you are in the world you will read this story with understanding probably similar to what is happening in your part of the world, wherever you're watching.But this is on Sky News. Average UK rents hit record two and a half thousand pounds in London amid property shortage.A report by Rightmove gives some hope of an easing ahead as higher mortgage rates alongside the cost of living crisis all combine to squeeze affordability.And the cost of living crisis simply with going and filling up your shopping basket is crazy, certainly in the UK, with basic food items up 30, 40%.If you think any dairy products, it's certainly 40%. And then I know talking to individuals about renting and they just sign the contract each year because it just goes up by 15, 20%.And of course, private landlords, landlords being punished. So those private homes being taken off.But Ben, I think wherever our viewers are watching, it's something that we are all facing, the impact on inflation, impact on rising living costs, and people have to make very difficult decisions.Yeah, this is a complex issue.And at some elemental level, there is a mismatch as this article suggests that you have in front of us, between supply and demand.I would say that, and you mentioned it, and the Daily Telegraph has been quite strong on this over recent months as well.I would say that looking at the supply part of this problem, it's a target, and it has been, I think, for centuries in the UK, for the middle class to own property in order to let, as you know, there's not the safest houses, but if you need to invest, invest it in a house, put it out to let, and that ought to be relatively secure as a potential source of future income.What the government is doing,in its infinite incompetence, is, you know, because it's trying to be populist, but it's mushing it all up. It's actually making it very difficult for landlords to let properties with any degree of confidence in future returns. I'm not saying the UK is moving back to the era of rent controls, but it's not far from that. You know, tenants have ever more rights.You know, for example, if I've understood this correctly, Peter, when leases are up now, it's not, or the legislative plan is to make it very difficult for landlords to kick tenants out.And that tenants will have a guaranteed right on terms of negotiating rent and all the rest of it.So the consequence of that, obviously, is that if you have a property, you just won't put it out to let until the chaos and the uncertainty has sorted itself out.You know, and that further down the line creates the supply problems that we have now.It's not as if the UK population has expanded exponentially.Obviously, a lot of illegals flooding in every day, that's absolutely true, but they're not coming in looking to rent property.They don't need to, because they're being put up by courtesy of the taxpayer in our best hotels.No, this is a different issue. And I rather guess that if you, as I was talking about cause and effect earlier, if we follow this back far enough, we will find the culprit is being previous intervention and legislation by a pseudo populist government of whatever description, because we have a uni party in the UK as they do in the States.And that will be the fundamentalcause I think of the supply shortage right now.
 
Yes the frustration whenever the government get involved in things then you think oh this can only go one way and that's problematic.Moving on to the probably the big story of the week and that is Tucker Carlson, so going stateside again although Tucker's influence is worldwide literally. This is the Los Angeles Times, one of the developments of it, although there have been many developments since, and this is Tucker Carlson Departs Fox News, pushed out by Rupert Murdoch.And if I can just read this, Tucker Carlson, the provocative, provocative?Conservative prime-time host who sustained Fox News as a ratings juggernaut, has been forced out of the network. Fox News announced the stunning departure of his top-rated host on Monday with no explanation, but people familiar with the situation who are not authorized to comment publicly said the decision to fire Carlson came straight from Fox News chairman Rupert Murdoch with input from board members and other Fox core executives. Ben, this must go down is probably the worst business decision of all time. You do not sack the person who brings in the ratings. And what are your thoughts on watching this car crash that we are seeing at Fox News?
 
Well, the first thing to do here is I think tip one's hat to Steve Bannon's insight on this, which is that this is really part of the Murdoch family trying to tilt the game away from Donald Trump in 2024. And I think there's obviously some truth in that and I think Murdoch's personal contempt for Donald Trump is so great that he is willing to take the hit to his family's fortunes in order to do that, because Fox was in the 2016 cycle a pretty important pillar in Trump's armoury.So that's the first point. The second point that I would make is that this is sort of, It really illustrates to the extent in which Fox Media Corporation is a controlled opposition.And therefore, for people who are angered by that realisation, it ought to be a further push to start checking out the alternative media, Peter, your program, The War Room, and things like that, that are taking place outside of, the cable news networks lock grip on the official narrative, that's a good thing.You know, in a problem, you know, in a certain sense, it's great when you have a dominant monoculture. It's great for, and the worst competition as possible, it's great for, it's a great opportunity for rivals to come up and make a huge splash in terms of influence and audience share in very short time. And I think that's what we're seeing.
Oh really, and it's exciting to see where Tucker will go, today I think that Jim Hoff and Gateway Pundit wrote that Newsmax had offered him a colossal contract. But I've been intrigued to watch. Obviously, the reach the War Room have is huge. There are other programs out there.And it will be, I mean, the world is Tucker's oyster. And I'm thinking, well, he's been fairly honest, but I'm assuming he has been partially constrained by Fox News. So whenever you have an unconstrained Tucker Carlson, this is going to be phenomenal. So I think we're all watching in this space to see what develops from this.Look, Petey, you and I, we're both active in the same media circles.I don't know anybody else on Fox that has any resonance in our circles beyond Tucker Carlson.I'd never, you know, there are some other presenters on there that are more or less, no, they're less, they are just less interesting.But nobody, nobody, you know, and I'm consumed by following the news sort of 18 hours a day.And I have been doing it full-time for 18 months.Nobody, not a single person, you know, half of all, if I were to say all I do is sit down and communicate with other journalists, it's an exaggeration, but there's some truth there.Nobody in 18 months has ever sent me a Sean Hannity text saying, or Cliff, saying, Harnwell, you must see this.You must see what Hannity, it's never happened. No one else on Fox has any resonance whatsoever outside of the Fox ecosystem.Tucker Carlson did. And I, you know, their loss will be, it might be Chris Ruddy's gain, we'll find out. But it will be someone's gain.
Completely. And let's, I see that Paul Lee, just watching on Facebook, says they took Tucker out in a desperate attempt to stop Trump. I think you could be bang on the money with that. And of course, the good news, the strange news, Tucker going actually wasn't necessarily bad news, because he was released by the constraints, I guess, of a massive network. The other gift to us all was that, yes, it is wonderful. It has been announced that President Joe Biden launches his 2024 re-election campaign. This is on the BBC News, obviously everywhere. He announced he'll be running for 2024, setting the stage for a potential rematch with Donald Trump. The good news is that Vice President Kamala Harris will once again be his running mate. I mean, what could be better? And of course, Mr Biden, 80, is already the oldest president in US history, is likely to face questions about his age throughout the campaign. He would be 86 after finishing his second full term in 2029. And I don't think he knows what day of the week it is, where he is, or what is happening to him. But Dr Jill looks after him, I believe, in there in the White House.But, Ben, we expected this to come and I'm intrigued to how the Democrat party respond because surely they can't watch, can't want an increpid, sadly, deficient individual running for president and leading the Democrat party. So what are your thoughts on this?
Well, you know, erm, I tell you, I was rather sorry for that sort of, for that angry old man, angry corrupt old man in the Oval Office when he broke this news, because it was immediately bounced off the press the following day by the Tucker Carlson sacking.It had a lot less residents, because that really sort of, it was the Tucker Carlson thing, that sort of really dominated the following 48 hours of press.And the Biden campaign, it was a bit like, oh, yawn from the world's media.Now you said that the Democrats can't be too happy to see him declaring for 2024. Well you know the Democrats aren't the only ones. I've got something here. This I think was pushed out by Gallup, there's been a fall in the world's approval ratings, considered approval rating of the US president over the last two years.Let me give you the figures. Right now, this is like Gallup spoke to 140 countries over the course of 2022.And they say that the median global approval rating of US leadership has fallen from 49% to 41%.Over the 18 months of Biden's administration. And as a comparison, Donald Trump was at 31%.And Obama, his second year rating was 47%. Well, at the rate Biden is collapsing, he's going to be on Trump's ratings by the start of a potential second term, which will never happen. Anyway, and that makes you think that, you know, we were promised so much difference when the adults were going to return to the room, weren't we, Peter? You know, when we were promised a return of normalcy, we were told repeatedly how the rest of the world was looking aghast, at Donald Trump's administration.And my reflection on this point, Peter, is this, that Biden isn't in free fall.I mean, I personally, half of me says that the country has no need to pay attention to what other countries are thinking of it anyway, right?But he's not in free fall because he's been pushing America first agenda and that's been putting everyone else's nose out of joint. That was the issue with Donald Trump, right? Of course the rest of the world hated him because he was pushing America's interests left, right and centre when it came to NATO subscription membership or trade agreements. Trump was trying to put America first in every single instance and all the other countries had had a free reign for decades to push their countries first and treat United States like a fool. So you can understand why the other countries weren't so happy. People are by Biden's international approval ratings are in free fall because of his incompetence and hubris.And because you won't see this read on the mainstream American media but the rest of the world isn't as nearly gung-ho about this war in Ukraine for example as the media in America likes to push, and this is reflected in these ratings. I just wanted, you know, I just thought that is, I think, if we're going to talk about, as I say, it's almost beer talk, talking about, you know, if we're at a pub having a pint talking about a second Biden administration, it's not going to happen. For a number of reasons it won't happen, but were it to happen,this is the sort of thing that the consequences are. And there are different ways of rating America's standing in the rest of the world.One of them, one, you know, you can be hated but feared, and you could be hated and just treated with irrelevance and contempt.And those are basically the two different approaches between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
Well, moving on to, you mentioned Ukraine, and let's look at this.This was an intriguing, it was from the 15th, but I think you had reposted it more recently, Ben, and it's quite intriguing to bring up the topic of what is happening there.This is the Times, Cocktails, Oysters, and Air Raid Sirens. War hasn't soured Kyiv's taste for the good life.And it says there are now more bars and cafes in Ukraine's capital than before the invasion.It's a very strange story, Ben, because we are told that Russia kind of obviously at war with Ukraine, and we see all the videos of that war, and yet the Times comes out with a story that there are more bars and cafes than ever before.It doesn't sound very much like a dangerous war zone, but what are your thoughts on this, Ben?
 
It's strange.I don't know how this, I mean, the Times for our international audience is Murdoch Press.And it's been a number one Vladimir Zelensky cheerleader right from the beginning.How this article snuck by the census, I have no idea.Are some great lines in here. Here's one line, right, talking about a cook called Somin, age 31, who's returned to Kyiv in late 2021. The Times writes that after a successful career cooking abroad that the guy struggles to find for his restaurant unripe mangoes, adding that ripe mangoes a plentiful. Well, you know.Try shopping for fresh fruit in the UK, local Sainsbury's, it would appear that the supermarkets in Kyiv, which we're led to believe is a war zone, are more bountiful and stocked up.You know, they're making the UK look like communist Russia, pre-cold, pre-Berlin wall fall, here's my favourite line, if I may, from this article.This is brilliant.And I quote, The Kyiv Opera is open, and luxury spas offer gold-leaf facials and teeth whitening.It's no different here, one sales assistant said. It's just the same as it was before.You know, Peter, I don't know about you, right? I don't know about you.When was the last time you went for a gold leaf facial?
 
I don't even know what that is, Ben, but we missed that. We need to go to Kyiv.
 
I swear, I swear to God, I had to Google it. I had no idea what it was either. But that, you know, that's where our taxes in the West are going to because they weren't accounted for. We don't know where I'm going to go when they're handing it over, to Kyiv. But we've been saying on the War Room right from the beginning, right from day one, that it's going to Zelensky's, fundamentally to his oligarchs for spending, whether that's in the military or on services or infrastructure or budgetary support, the money is always bein, funnelled by his oligarchs and you know these oligarchs, you know, they need gold leaf facials. Who doesn't?
 
Who doesn't? Well, moving on to someone who doesn't need a gold leaf facial, and that is Andrew Bridgen in the UK. And I'll read this and then we'll maybe let our international audience have a bit of an idea what that is. This is in The Guardian. And this is the news, the headline there that former Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, that's the Conservative Party for our foreign viewers, expelled permanently from party. Northwest Leicestershire MP has sat as an independent since losing Tory whip after comparing use of Covid jabs to holocaust. And I'm full on down this rabbit hole with Andrew and of course he was vaccine injured and has raised this and spoken about this in Parliament. He has been attacked, demonised by everyone, including Penny Mordaunt, that's probably no bad thing, the leader of the House, the Speaker of the House, and now he's been thrown out of the Conservative Party, seemingly simply for questioning and, discussing the harm that's been caused and how widespread or not, that's a whole other area, but simply for raising this issue. How have you viewed this, Ben, of how Andrew Bridgen has been treated and his expulsion from the Conservative Party?Well, the first thing... Well, okay, so the first, the proper first thing, is that as far as I'm concerned, that inverted... I use sort of air quotes as I say this, the Conservative Party needs to be sued under the Trades Description Act because it's clearly not a conservative party in any way shape or form and it hasn't been for a number of years. It's a hoax calling it a conservative party, it's not remotely. That's the first thing to say and this story just illustrates that to perfection. The second thing I'd like to say is just pointing out the grawny ads and rather lax editorial policy here because they say here that this northwest Leicestershire, which is my area of the country by the way, it's not my constituency but that is my area of the country, that he's sad as an independent since losing the Tory whip after comparing the use of Covid jabs to the Holocaust.That's not what he did, right? What he did, as the article then explains, is that he tweeted an attributing a quote to a consultant cardiologist who had said to him that the Covid vaccines is the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust. So that wasn't actually Bridgen's comparison. It was a cardiologist that had said that to him.Now you might, people might think that's a slight distinction. I don't think it's a slight distinction. I think it's an important distinction. But even if he had compared it to the Holocaust, I don't think that's, the next story we're going to discuss I think brings this out integrated relief. I don't think that would be grounds for permanently expelling him from the party.My first thought, Peter, is that the consultant who said that needs to go on the record.It's up to him, it's up to, you know, it's up to him and his own conscience. Obviously, I guess he might be working within the world's largest communist organization, the NHS, so he might not want, he might not, you know, understandably he might not want to go on the record with that, and yeah, and half of me says, and who can blame him, but, you know, he really, you know, he really, I think he really needs to go on the record with that.The second thing I thought when I was reading this article is the tweet from, the board of deputies of British Jews which said it was pleased with its portion and I quote, right, suggesting that Covid vaccines are the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust is not an opinion which should be countenanced in any serious political party. You know, that kind of thing, I mean, that kind of thing just shows that the Board of Deputies of British Jews has zero credibility about anything. I mean, for one, for one, the consultant cardiologist didn't say that it was a crime against humanity that rivalled the Holocaust. He said since the Holocaust. And these people think that the COVID vaccine injury is a big crime against humanity.So if anything they're underlining the importance of the Holocaust rather than undermining it.But you know these people have always been rather too quick to send out a press release if it gets them some some press coverage and I never want to hear from these people again. I think they've lost every shred of integrity at this point. Third point I hope this guy reaches out to Nigel Farage, or Nigel reaches out to him. That would be a fitting close to this chapter.
It would be and it'd be intriguing to see how it goes and where Andrew ends up.If I just comment on a few, lots of comments on GETTR. I love how we have so many comments on GETTR. Three Day Weekend, HW Logan, Dan2848, who else? Scotland the Brave, Jimbra. There are lots of, I'm scrolling up some of your names are just too long and I can't even it'll take me the whole show to go through some of your handles but thank you so much for your comments I always go and look at them after although me I don't always get the chance to to bring them in but thank youso much for your comments there and following on from the Andrew Bridgen this was an article and again this is it intrigues me because these are articles which we would not have seen any time during the last three years and they're now coming out and it's intriguing how the media are, I guess, rewriting things and saying, actually, there are some issues we need to address, even though if you address these things and that's why we're not on YouTube, because if we read this story out on YouTube, we would have got a strike immediately, even though it's the Metro, the newspaper that's given out every morning on the Tube, on the Underground, on the Metro in London.And the headline is, 'sometimes I don't know if I'm going to wake up in the morning, what it's like to live with vaccine injury.'And the gentleman here, Adam, as a former physiotherapist to professional sports people, Adam Rowland knows the importance of staying well. He used to train six times a week, never smoked, rarely drinks.Now he can't even walk on a treadmill for exercise.The dad of two worked with Warrington Wolves before he had to resign in November due to a raft of complicated health issues.And then the story goes into, it seems to be linked to the vaccine. And I ampleased Ben, that at long last the media are highlighting that there are people who have suffered massively from side effects to the vaccine and I don't think that was portrayed or put forward or announced enough beforehand as people were rushing for this. But what are your thoughts on this story of Adam, vaccine injured?
 
I'm conflicted, Peter, with this story.I mean, obviously I have sympathy for the guy, but I just read this article with a growing sense of wandering disbelief.So he has the first injection, it's the AstraZeneca I think he has in February 2021.This is like well, well into the era of documented stories saying that the vaccine is not safe and it's dangerous, right?This isn't a first wave. So then within a week of having an injection, he's then got sort of heart palpitations, like 20 palpitations a day, panic attacks, drooping eyelids.He can't get up. He's collapsing, being rushed to the A&E, right? And this goes on.I shouldn't laugh, but this goes on for months, getting worse and worse and worse.He's going to the hospital, going to the doctors.And then three months later in May, he goes back and has the second injection.I have sympathy for the plight, but at a certain point you just think, you know, I don't know.I don't want to be harsh. My observation on this article, in order to maintain a certain, sense of charity is never underestimate what people will believe if the government tells them solemnly. Now we knew this, we knew this anyway, right, but if there's a, well there's not asilver lining on the cloud of Covid, but if there were one, it's that every single person with to eyes and a brain that's lived through this so-called pandemic, it now has personal, first-hand empirical experience of just how friends, family, neighbours, loved ones, colleagues can be brainwashed by the BBC and the news and the government and doctors and the professionals and the scientists, with basically half the population, you know, would seem to have zero capacity for introspection and analysis on what they're told from official sources. And that, Peter, is absolutely terrifying. It ought to be terrifying. It is terrifying. You know, we knew this, anyone who's read books on the Second World War and the rise of the Third Reich, even if you've not read it since these things since you were a school kid or what have you, yet everyone always said, you know, the Germans after the war, you know, they were amazed how mass insanity can take hold.And we Peter we've learned nothing we've literally perhaps we learned for a few decades afterwards, but now it's just distant memory we literally have learned absolutely nothing um and having lived through this so-called pandemic um my takeaway has just beenI watched open mouth how people um how easy it is for government to manipulate what people think and to sacrifice their freedoms as well. Terrifying, absolutely terrifying.
Well let's finish off with another institution that told people that was a mouthpiece of the government and I have no love at all anymore for the apostate church, that is the Anglican church.I think I've given my views there in a nutshell. This is GB News, who do do some amazing stories, thin in other ways, but this is concerted Anglicans reject Church of England and Archbishop of Canterbury and I had watched Calvin Robinson who was there at the conference, but the conference brought together more than 1300 delegates from 52 countries. It's the Global Anglican Future Conference, GAFCOM, has pledged to reject the Church of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury and they had gathered in Rwanda and withdrew their recognition of Justin Welby, better known as Wet Welby, as the first amongst equals. And I'm intrigued by this, Ben, because it is positive, I think, to see some pushback on the woke liberal agenda that Justin Welby brings as head of the Anglican Church. What are your thoughts?Yeah, where do I start? This is, I don't want to be harsh to the Anglican communion, to Anglicans or to Protestants generally, having been an Anglican at one point in my life.So I'll try to be respectful in what I say.In, you know, I could just as easily address what I actually want to say, talking about the Catholic Church, because the issues are the same, right? The issue that, the issue is the same, just the Anglian communion is just slightly further, you know, historically, it was like a couple of generations ahead, but the Pope Francis has done his best to, in 10 years, to catch up up the Anglicans in terms of implosion.Where to start on this, Peter?UmFirstly, the fundamental issue that all Christian churches or ecclesial communities, whatever term you want to use, the fundamental question that Christianity faces and has faced since the beginning of the modern era is, what is the basis of our belief as Christians?And can that basis change? And if it changes, and if the substance of the faith changes, are we still Christian because we are in the centre, the median centre of the horizontally, if you will, of Christians in our own period?Or are we also in communion with the church throughout time?Call that vertical, if you will. And if you pick the first one, really the church in it as a pilgrim church through time, that it needs to remain cohesive, keep all the sheep in the truck together and not necessarily be so anchored to what were form of beliefs.Then you are basically, I mean, I don't share that view remotely, but the danger with that is that you then, well, however you decided to do so, you become a make it up as you go along religion.And I don't know about other religions, but I would definitely say Christianity does not work on a make it up as you go along basis, because nobody wants, no one will change their lives to fit into a make it up as you go along religion. And certainly no one will be converted by that, there'll be no witness in terms of conversion and bringing people into the church, into practicing Christianity, into a relationship with Jesus Christ on the basis of that. Because really what we're doing is conforming the church to the times, rather than allowing ourselves to be conformed by Christ.And this is, I think, absolutely the problem that the Anglican communion has, because it hasn't decided that Welby and the Western Anglican practitioners, who are only about 15% of the communion, want to move with the times.Specifically, it's the blessing of homosexual marriages here.85% of the church, I think, is in Africa or the developing world, generally.And the African church doesn't want to follow.And they have this problem, and the Catholic church has a problem as well.Basically, I know we're winging now to the end of the show Peter, of our hour.I close with this point.We should look at the collapse and the implosion of the Anglican communion.And Anglicans can learn from it, Catholics can learn from it, evangelicals can learn from it.I would suggest, sadly I could talk for a whole hour about this, but as far as I'm concerned the only valid form of Christian witness today is to be conformed to the teachings that Jesus Christ, expounded 2,000 years ago and the apostles and the early church and the constant interpretation of the revelation of the church is the constant unchanging interpretation of the revelation of the church and it ought to be our guide for today and that will offend people, it will also bring about martyrdom for some but there's no other offer on the table at leastput there by Christ. That's it, you know. It's sad and tragic, but I think the most tragic thing about it is it being unnecessary.
Yeah, yeah, no, completely, completely. I just want to leave our viewers with two uplifting things. Yeah, no, go on, throw it in, Benny.
I forgot, I forgot, I forgot, I forgot that we had, we had these two things to come.But I'm just gonna let our viewers watch it and at least it leaves them with a smile.I think it's important to use humour and satire when you look at the world or else it could be quite depressing.
Oh hang on, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.This video is not satire, it's truth, Peter.
 
Ha ha ha!Well, let's play this.Babylon Bee, I absolutely love Babylon Bee, and I actually did look at, regularly looked at Babylon Bee, but actually ended up just looking at the headlines, and then someone pulled me up on it, and I started going through the articles, and I thought, this is just better than ever.So this is one of Babylon Bee's videos, and I will let it speak for itself....(video plays)
Being a man is pretty great. It's way better than the alternative.To clearly demonstrate why being a man is so great, the Babylon Bee presents the following list.The world is your urinal. Being well standing up comes in handy when you're in a hurry or going to the bathroom somewhere where you shouldn't be.You have a brain that's three times the size of a woman's.It's science. It's culturally acceptable for you to roll up tobacco leaves into a big cylinder, light it on fire and stick it in your mouth.You can have an entire conversation with your best friend just by saying what's up bro? What's upThat bad, huh?Take one of these. Your facial hair is considered attractive.Forget to shave for a couple of days and suddenly you go from a six to a solid eight.Your extensive knowledge of all subjects allows you to graciously explain things to women.You're welcome. You can wear the same shirt for thirty-eight years.You don't have to be a slave to fashion when you have the perfect T-shirt for every occasion.You make more money than a woman for doing the same job. Being a man comes with an automatic pay raise.Huh.Payday. You are biblically allowed to speak in church. Plus, your wife has to do everything you say all the time.Pretty sure it's in the Bible somewhere.You have a reduced chance of Joe Biden sniffing you. Not zero chance, unfortunately. So be careful.Only men are allowed to be president.No glass ceiling here.If you want, you can be the world's strongest woman.Get it, girl? Yeah, being a man's pretty great. If you can think of any other ways that being a man is awesome, leave them in the comments down below so I can not read them.Because I'm a man. Exercise your God-given right to be a man and get 10 Mui Macho top-rated premium cigars from Oliva for $19.99.We will. Absolutely brilliant. I absolutely love that. Go on, what are your thoughts on it?
Well, it's one word. It's one word to the whole thing, fact.
 
It's so good. It is Babylon Bee, I heard Seth Dillon speak at a conference I went to in Miami in February, and he just blew the whole conference event away.Actually, phenomenal what he's doing, love it. And if I could just leave our viewers with one picture, and this is this, a climatard.You may not have come across it, but a climatard is a person that believes that climate can be changed by paying a CO tax to the government.Don't believe it, it is nonsense.Ben, I appreciate you coming along always. Love chatting with you.Thank you so much for your time this evening.Thanks, Peter. It's a great honour to be invited back. I'm gonna go off now and smoke a cigar.
I feel like doing the same.To our viewers and listeners, thank you so much for tuning in, whether you're watching on any of the platforms or watching later on BitChute Odysee or listening on Podbean around the podcasting apps, listening on the go.Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. And on Monday, we have, I'm just looking at my list, Tina Ramirez, who is standing in the Virginia Senate.I met her last year, absolutely phenomenal individual, what she's done for religious freedom, liberty, all around the world for decades.And she is standing, bringing her wealth of knowledge to the Senate there in Virginia.So tune in on Monday for her thoughts on a range of issues and what she is passionate about and why she is standing there in the State Senate in Virginia.But I wish you all a wonderful rest of your Saturday evening.Have a wonderful Sunday. I will be back with you on Monday.So thank you and good evening to you all.

Michele Bachmann - How the World Health Organization is Seeking to Control the Nation State

The World Health Organization have existed for 9 decades since the first World Health Assembly meeting in 1948. For much of this time they have been viewed as an organisation that focused on health and working with national governments for you and your families best interest. Michele Bachmann returns to Hearts of Oak to look at a very different side to the WHO, the one that was exposed to the public over the last 3 years. At the upcoming assembly in Geneva we will witness the biggest WHO power grab ever attempted where national governments and the interests of countries will be urged to submit their sovereignty to the WHO. But have they overplayed their hand? With the Gates Foundation and the CCP being exposed as the 2nd and 3rd biggest funders, will the public see through this power grab. Join us this episode for Michele's expert analysis.Michele Bachmann is the dean of the Robertson School of Government at Regent University and was born in Waterloo, Iowa. She received a B.A. in Political Science and English from Winona State University in 1978. She married Marcus Bachmann, a clinical therapist who holds a master’s degree from Regent University. In 1986, she received a Juris Doctor degree from Oral Roberts University. She was a member of the ORU law school’s final graduating class, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school library to Regent University. Two years later, she completed a Master of Law in taxation at the College of William & Mary. She worked for four years as a lawyer for the Internal Revenue Service’s Office of Chief Counsel in St. Paul, Minnesota.Michele and her husband have five children. They also worked with a private foster care agency to house 23 children in their home during the 1990s. Their children were home schooled and also attended private Christian schools, and her political career stemmed from her interest in education reform.In 2000, Michele defeated a long-time moderate incumbent for a state senate seat in Minnesota. In 2006, she entered the race to represent her suburban Minneapolis congressional district, winning 52 percent of the vote, becoming the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the House of Representatives. She easily won re-election in 2008 and 2010.Michele's extensive career highlights include:She was the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.Michele served as a United States Congresswoman representing Minnesota’s 6th District from 2007 to 2015.She quickly became a national figure in the Republican Party and a founding member of the congressional Tea Party Caucus.In 2011, Michele announced her bid for the Republican presidential nomination and ran for president in 2012 and is a highly respected leader who is deeply committed to conservative values in government.Regent Universityhttps://www.regent.edu/Interview recorded 24.4.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview, coming up with Michele Bachmann, who was with us a couple of weeks ago, and she joins us this time to talk about the WHO, the World Health Organization. It's an organization which she has been concerned about and following for quite a while. Obviously, we have seen it come to prominence during the last three years, but Michelle joins us to look into the workings of it. We look at the finance, Bill and Melinda Gates Organization Foundation are I think the second highest funders of it, the Chinese Communist Party are the third highest. Make of that what you will. So we discussed that and the control and power play behind that and then the clash between national governments and the WHO. The WHO seems to be a massive power play on control of the health services and sector and drugs within all countries and coming up next month in Geneva is the 76th World Health Assembly meeting in Geneva and this happened since 1948. It's the governing group body in effect of the WHO and they'll be meeting to propose a number of issues. One which is for the WHO to take full control of health inany pandemic. We discuss what that means, is this control, and then also we touch on the digital IDs of the WHO, who are very fond off on how that will affect us all. So Michele brings experience from her political background, her educational background, and I know you will be inspired as you listen to her opening the door on this issue and inspiring us to actually respond in an effective away so this does not happen.
 
Michele Bachmann, thank you so much for joining us once again.
(Michele Bachmann)
Peter, it's always great to be with you. I enjoy being on Hearts of Oak.Thank you so much. And last time we obviously discussed education and if the viewers don't know, Michele is a former member of Congress and current Dean of the Robertson School of Government at Regent University down there in Virginia. And the last time we had a conversation was all to do with the education and pushing back that woke wave.But I know that there is an issue that you also feel passionate about, as well as education, and that is a concern on the WHO, on the World Health Organization. And we've heard a lot about that, I think, over the last three years, I guess people maybe before may have been unfamiliar with the WHO. So maybe ask you personally, why is this an area of interest? Was there a particular, time or point or bill or something that happened that made you aware the WHO were maybe not what what they seem to be.Well, just so people know what the WHO is, it's the World Health Organization. It is the health care arm of the United Nations. And so for many people, the United Nations really is not a, big figure in their lives. They hope that they're doing good things to keep peaceful relations between countries. But other than that, people don't think too much about the United Nations.And the World Health Organization, we've always seen them as an organization that can maybe try and do good, especially in poor countries where they don't have money for healthcare so that they could help, for instance, with maternal, positive maternal outcomes for pregnancies, for young babies that are just born, dealing with diseases where the nation doesn't have enough money.Everyone is on board with that. Nations are happy to give money toward that so that other nations have positive outcomes for their people.So when we think of the World Health Organization, those are the kind of hopes you might say that we infuse into the organization, that we hope they are doing.But we saw something very different, Peter, about three years ago or so with the outbreak of the COVID pandemic.And with that, then we saw the World Health Organization in a completely different light.Well, tell us, it is that three years that probably weren't on people's radar.The UN people are aware of, but there are many other organisations that happen really behind the scenes and people are unaware of the effect they have on their everyday life.And I'm looking over the last three years, I'm wondering whether the WHO have overplayed their hand, because I guess they're an organisation that have thrived in the shadows and now they're front and centre and people are aware of them.And I kind of wonder whether they've overplayed their hand.
Well, quite honestly, it's bewildering to me how much power they were infused with. Andthis wasn't actual power. This was imputed power. What do I mean by that?Here in the United States, I can give you our example here. Our government, led by President Joe Biden, looked to the WHO, and whatever recommendation the WHO, the World Health Organization gave regarding COVID, our United States Centers for Disease Control, the director was a woman named Rachel Walensky, the World Health Organization is run by a man, his first name is Tedros, his last name is something like Galbraithius, he's from Ethiopia. He has a very controversial checkered history, he was involved in a lot of collusion cover up, allegedly, in Ethiopia. And so, of course, the way these things work, these peopleoften are plucked out of that position and they fail up, so to speak. So they're put in a position with even more responsibility. That's what happened to Tedros. He was made the director general of the World Health Organization. So, you know, no cry, no foul. Nobody really cared about it until along came COVID. And the United States of America is the number one funder of the World Health Organization. The number two funder of the World Health Organization, interestingly, is a man named Bill Gates. Many people may know the name of the billionaire Bill Gates, one of the richest men in the world. He was the founder of Microsoft. The third funder of World Health Organization is the Communist Party of China.So the interesting thing is that Tedros, who himself is a communist, seems to be controlled by the number three funder at the World Health Organization, not the number one funder, but by the number three, and arguably also by the number two funder, Bill Gates. And so the World Health Organization then, unbelievably, was lifted up to a point where whatever their pronouncements were for the last three years. Here in the United States, our President Joe Biden took the World Health Organization pronouncements, and those recommendations went to our Centers for Disease Control, which is not a regulatory body, which has no power of enforcement, but they took the recommendations of the WHO, and then the CDC made those same recommendations. But weirdly, somewhere in the ether, those recommendations were treated as though they were law, as though our Congress had passed them, and the president had signed them into law. None of that happened.Congress never passed a law regarding COVID. They never passed a law regarding the recommendations of the WHO. And yet, here in the United States, people were forced to stay home for 15 days.They weren't allowed out of their houses. I can't even believe I'm saying that, thinking back three years ago, what we all willingly did, how naive were we?And after that, then businesses were told they were not allowed to open.So what did that mean? That meant for two weeks, people didn't have a pay check. For two weeks, employers didn't have employees. For two weeks, there was no incoming monies for the GDP. That's millions and millions of dollars, billions of dollars that never got made. Well, what was going to happen? Well, in that extraordinary circumstance that had never happened before in the United States saw extraordinary actions. These actions were led by whatever it was that the World Health Organization said. Here we are, arguably the greatest military and economic superpower nation on earth, and we're bowing down and kowtowing to whatever this Tedros, who heads up the World Health Organization is saying, it's kind of an interesting phenomenon that the United States would do something like that. It's almost like you could imagine a scenario where communist China, who seeks domination all across the world, who has their infamous Silk and Road Initiative, where they are trying to dominate the ancient Silk Road pattern, the trade routes that went across.India and the Stans and making their way into Europe.Also it has a Silk and Road initiative trying to go through the Latin American countries and South America but also now through the United States.And it seems that they wanted to do the actions that were being pronounced for ones that would bring about economic ruination to the West, to the United States to the European nations, to Australia, to New Zealand.It was very odd.The COVID, the spread of COVID seemed to hit the West extremely hard. So it was after a while, it seemed inescapable to reach the conclusion that communist China seemed to be benefiting from COVID, while the rest of the world seemed to be hurt by COVID. But the WHO, the World Health Organization, seemed to be the vehicle that was being used to make pronouncements as phony and as detrimental as they were, and then countries in the West magically bowed down and did whatever the World Health Organization said. At least that's what happened here in the United States, including, Peter, social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Google. We saw that here in America, people were thrown off of their social media accounts. They were cancelled if they disagreed with what the World Health Organization said. As a matter of fact, these social media companies, including Google, would put up a notification that their standard for knowledge and information was the World Health Organization. And if anyone disagreed with them, they would be thrown off. And the same was true of the United States government. Their standard was the World Health Organization. There was no legal requirement for this. They didn't have to do this, but they chose, they imputed power to the World Health Organization, even though over and over again, the World Health Organization contradicted the recommendations.The recommendations were found to be faulty afterwards. They were, they pretended.The people who cried the loudest pretended to always say, the science, the science, we're following the science.When as a matter of fact, they chose to silence free inquiry and scientists who were not finding the same results as the World Health Organization.Any opinion that deviated in any way from the World Health Organization was not only silenced, they were also accused of being misinformation and they were blackmailed. They were censored. Here in America, doctors were thrown out of positions in medical schools if they disagreed with the World Health Organization's opinion.I think if you could step back about 50 steps and take a look objectively at what's happened the last three years, people would be aghast. But unfortunately, the media hasn't done that.There hasn't really been allowed, at least in America, an overview of all of the mistakes that have happened in the last three years. I'll give you one example. I just read an article this morning about the incredible damage that mask wearing did to people, whether they were old or whether they were young. And what they found is that within five minutes of wearing a mask, damage already began to individuals.Up to and including the stillborn birth of unborn babies to pregnant women.Little children had cognitive damage from the build-up of CO2 hurting their brain functioning.There are all sorts of issues that have come out and that's just mask wearing, let alone the vaccines, let alone other things like lockdowns that were encouraged by the WHO and were implemented by the WHO.Probably in America, nothing was more damaging than the shutdown of economic activity in our nation. We saw literally trillions of dollars take wings and fly away because they were unearned.And we also printed money that we didn't have. We spent money that we didn't have. We're continuing to do that. And here in the United States, we have a contagion of inflation.That is very difficult.It's a tiger by the tail. It's hurting the poorest in the United States and the middle class, and it's inhibiting the creation of new start-ups and new businesses.So the WHO, an innocuous healthcare arm of the United Nations has a lot to answer for.But unfortunately, in the structure of the United Nations, there doesn't appear to be an accountability structure.And it appears that just like the fellow who's heading the WHO, Tedros, failed up.He was rewarded with failure from Ethiopia.It appears now that the World Health Organization also will be granted benefits and even more empowered after their failures.And so they may also soon fail up as well with even more power, more control over more people across the earth.Oh, well, Tedros has been rewarded with another five years in charge, so things are not going to get any better.There are a whole lot of those things you come to like pick you up on.But one is the social media. We have been amazed that actually it is discussing COVID that affects you on social media.I personally thought having a robust conversation on Islam or have a robust conversation on the gender nonsense would.But actually it was it was COVID and of course you've been on Mark Steyn's show many times and Mark Steyn was removed from GB News through Ofcom, the regulatory body in the UK on communications because he talked to those who were vaccine injured. And I'm wondering, you looking at the States, is there a way through that or are social media companies going to hold that over us all, that if we talk out of line then immediately people will be punished.Where does that leave a free and open conversation?
Well, it's stifled here in the United States. We have what is called the First Amendment protections.We have our Constitution of the United States, and we have what's called is the Bill of Rights.This is in the Constitution. It's equal to the Constitution.And America is built on the fact that our government is supposed to have very limited powers.The people are supposed to have an expansive set of powers, and those powers are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, the first being freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship and religious expression, the right to petition our government, the right to gather together and assemble.Those are all a part of the First Amendment freedoms and including our Second Amendment, which is the right to keep and bear arms, guns, for the right to protect yourself.And when the founders passed the Second Amendment, it was so that the people could protect themselves against the government.That was the intention. So we have 10 of those amendments of rights.And what we've seen is that there's a new cohort of people in the United States, many of whom have obtained positions of power, and those people don't agree with what we have as our constitutional rights.And so we're seeing not only the threat to those rights in law, but in practice.And we've seen it most particularly through social media, where we are no longer allowed to have free speech.And as a matter of fact, it's even worse because people are told if they disagree with the the state line.That they are giving misinformation. In other words, they're harming the public.By giving an opinion that digresses from government. And I think you've had to deal with that in the United Kingdom as well. And it's egregious because it is anti-science.It is anti-freedom. Quite frankly, it is anti-human. Because if you look at the carnage, for instance, the fallout that happened from wearing masks, from being forced to get a vaccine when you didn't want to, but your livelihood depended on it, so you felt you had to. And then, despite everything that we were told, that we would be instantaneously cured of COVID if we take a vaccine. We would never go to a hospital. We wouldn't transmit the virus. We wouldn't die from it. Every one of those claims was proved false. And even more egregious than that, the number of people that we're seeing over and over the excess deaths, if you will, in the United Kingdom, in America, anywhere that these vaccines were pushed, people's lives are continuing to be harmed by what's happened. And there's been no review. There's been no honest, transparent review of what happened during those three years. We're still going through that.Here in the United States, Peter, there are colleges that still mandate that students must get vaccinated before they come into college. And this is after even the CDC director, the Centers for Disease Control director, Rachel Walensky, just this last week admitted, yes, you can still transmit COVID. You can still get COVID even if you take a vaccine. Well, what was this thing worth?What was it worth? Especially when you see the people who are physically harmed after taking this vaccine. So I think we need to move our compassion toward those who are trying, who are we're believing?Just on face value with the government and what the World Health Organization, what the CDC said, they just said, okay, well, they must be looking out for my welfare.Well, we don't wanna impugn motives if the CDC or the WHO was or wasn't looking out for people's welfare, that we don't know.But what we do know is the objective fact of what happened to people's lives.And there's ongoing carnage continually from these lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccines, all of the restrictions that happen, we're continuing to deal with the downstream impacts of it. And it is devastating, probably one of the worst public policy failures in human history.
 
One thing on the damage for going on to say some more more with the WHO. I was with a friend today from, who's over from the States and his business is property. He was talking about the ghost towns are being created across America. I mean generally in Europe we've had a, probably the majority have returned to work, to an office, but still you have some working from home. But he was giving me a picture of how bad it is of people working from home and then the damage that's causing to towns and cities across the country and then I guess the bankruptcy that's going to happen with property spaces not being filled and banks having to, I mean it's it seems to time bomb I mean what is it what is it like in the U.S. have people returned to the workplace or are they still working from home?Well, you're right. It is a huge problem. A lot of people who got used to being able to be at home so they could answer the door, take the dog out, throw the laundry in, throw it in the dryer.People just got used to that, not having to dress up for work, not having to commute.A lot of people like that. So in some ways, the positive is that some businesses saw that they don't have to take on the expense of leasing office space. They can get just as much productivity from employees at home. However, a lot of businesses have seen we don't get as much productivity from our employees who are at home. Plus, what we're really missing is that magic that happens when people come together and they talk to each other and they get ideas and they exchange information that they wouldn't have known otherwise. That just doesn't happen in a Zoom call or a Zoom meeting. And so there's a lot of interactions that no longer happen. I know.You know, in the United States in major metropolitan city after major metropolitan city, you hear of huge downtown office buildings, that no longer are being filled like you had mentioned in the UK and it's happening here as well.If I could just deviate for one second, when you opened your remarks, it reminded me of something else that happened.And that was, it was extraordinary when COVID hit that landlords who own apartment buildings or own smaller units that they leased out.Landlords were prohibited from evicting tenants if they couldn't pay their rent.And so here a landlord was not relieved of the duty to pay taxes or insurance or a mortgage, but they weren't allowed to evict anyone.So this went on for months and months and months and months and months.How do you penalize one business, one portion of the business sector, It's just unbelievable the confusion. So then you look at landlords of huge office buildings.I'll give you one example. Maybe people have heard of the corporation Target.That is from Minneapolis, Minnesota. So this is a huge department store in America and Target Corporation leased all sorts of office space in downtown Minneapolis.Well, there were a lot of riots that happened after George Floyd.That people in the UK heard of the George Floyd situation. And so Minneapolis downtown became very dangerous.People don't, employees don't wanna go downtown plus COVID.So now we see office building after office building.The largest hotel in Minneapolis couldn't make money because you remember hotels were shuttered because of the World Health Organization. And in our case in America, the CDC.So the largest hotel in downtown Minneapolis went up on auction because they couldn't make it anymore.So hotels, office buildings, then you have the guy trying to shine shoes, and then the guy trying to sell coffee, and then the local diners.And so what we're seeing is an absolute implosion in metropolitan areas.And metropolitan areas are like the tent post holding up a tent.And then you've got all the suburban areas.So that impacts real estate, people's abilities to buy homes, sell homes.So this is all continuing to happen. We're three plus years on.And these horrible decisions made by these bureaucrats at the World Health Organization with no accountability, and at the Centers for Disease Control in America with no accountability, and I'm sure for you it's the NIH, the National Institute of Health.These decisions are continuing to go on.Let me give you one more example.And this is one that we're not used to in the United States.We've always had very high quality health care in the United States.But now in the United States, you'd call, you'd make an appointment, you'd probably get in to see your doctor the same day.Now it's not like that. Now we have to wait weeks, in some cases months, to get in to see a doctor.That has never happened before in the United States.Now we're seeing waiting times on being able to get in And we've primarily been a private healthcare system, which has worked beautifully.The more government has gotten involved in our healthcare system, the worst it's gotten, the more expensive it's gotten, the more the times are lengthening.So the World Health Organization, from my perspective, caused a chain reaction of events that we're continuing to be harmed from today.And so that's why, Peter, again, it's so dangerous, the proposals that are on the table, to empower them even more after their failure?One area you talked about was the clash, the power of the WHO.Before we look in the funding in China, but simply that clash between national governments and their responsibility for their population and the WHO.And maybe in Europe, we have had that control above national governments in the European Union.But by and large, you don't really have the World Trade Organization doesn't have that much power in relation to what was in the WHO.So, I mean, it's it is concerning that every country seems to have to, well, fall into line or to bow down to the WHO's latest edict.And I wonder where that leaves nations like the US, like other nations, that independent, that supporting what is best for their populations, that seems to have gone out the window and the WHO seems to be the one that kind of plays the tune and countries have to dance to it.Well, we can blame the WHO, but really what we have to do is blame our own political leaders.I can't blame the WHO today entirely because they are a recommendation and advisory only body.That's it. So they can give advice. And the 194 member nations of the World Health Organization, There's about 200 nations in the world and 194 are members of the World Health Organization.So those nations don't have to follow those dictates if they don't want to, because the WHO only issues recommendations. The problem is our leaders, our leader, President Joe Biden, who took whatever the WHO said as gospel and forced that onto our our healthcare system, our centres for disease control, and then our national health grants, and our Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, the ones who were standing up and telling Americans, you must do this, you must do that, even as silly as Dr. Fauci coming out on stage, wearing not one mask, not two masks, three masks, in some cases, four masks. It's like, this was theatre.This was theatre when he would come out and wear these masks.Especially in light of the evidence that was available before on masks, but even now more profound after COVID, how damaging and worthless these masks are.Not one of those masks could stop the prevention of COVID.So what was the point? Why did people have to sit for eight hours on an airplane flight wearing a mask when all it did is hurt the passenger? It didn't save anyone else on that plane.So this is the kind of nonsense we've had to deal with.And now there's an effort by our political leader. You know, you have your political leaders and what they've imposed on your population.Our political leader, Joe Biden, empowered, he didn't have to, he empowered the World Health Organization.But now last year in 2022, the Biden administration offered 29 amendments, to the World Health Assembly in Geneva, Switzerland.They meet annually once a year to change and radically alter the WHO.I'd like to say before that.During COVID, our president was Donald Trump, and Donald Trump saw the mess that was coming out of the World Health Organization. He saw a lot of the nonsense and a lot of the confusing contradictory pronouncements that they were making. So Donald Trump said, we're getting the United States out of the WHO. We're not going to stay in.So he pulled the funding for the WHO, and he also gave notice to the World Health Organization, to the UN, the United States will no longer be in. Well, the protocol that you have to follow is that it takes one year for a nation to fully pull out of the World Health Organization.As your audience knows, Donald Trump was not returned to the White House in 2020.Joe Biden became president of the United States. So on the very first day that Joe Biden became president, he put the United States back into the World Health Organization, and he restored all of their funding.And from there, he empowered them even more, to the point of offering and he's been the aggressor, he's been the lead, President Biden, to offer these amendments at the World Health Assembly, the World Health Assembly is the governing organization that governs the WHO. So the WHO is the UN organization, but the governing board is the World Health Assembly. And they meet once a week, the last week of May in Geneva, Switzerland. This has been going on since 2005.
But curiously the amendments that were being offered would completely transfer the World Health Organization away from being an advisory only body to becoming an international regulatory body.And in some respects, these amendments are so incredibly strong, it would create a platform in the World Health Organization for a global system of government, so that the World Health Organization would be empowered to declare a public health emergency of international concern.Well, what's that? That means that the WHO would have the power to declare a global emergency.And then they would be empowered to set the standard and to put the orders out for what each nation has to do, whether it's lockdowns, whether it's masking, whether it's vaccinations, whether it's all of the PPP that people had to come up with.They could even order a country to supply PPP, pay for it, supply it to other countries.So this would be a redistribution of wealth. This is an absolutely jaw-dropping increase of power that they would have.This would affect the budgets of various countries, but it would impact the freedom that people have.These amendments are also stating what could be said and what couldn't be said in countries on healthcare.So if we thought that we were restricted on speech during this last pandemic, this would be globally enforced, what we can say and what we couldn't say.Every nation would be expected to toe the exact same line. Because remember, in Sweden, they didn't shut down their schools. Kids went to school in Sweden.Whereas in America, kids had to stay home. So this is an absolutely jaw-dropping level of power that the Biden administration tried to push.Now with those amendments in 2022, a few African nations pushed back.Thank God for these African nations like Botswana.They said, we don't wanna go along with these amendments.So they didn't go through last year.So now behind the scenes, President Joe Biden.And other nations have gotten together, and they're kind of spreading these amendments around with other countries.And I've got a video clip, actually I can send to you, Peter.And it's a video clip of the foreign minister from Indonesia meeting last November, the first week of November in 2022 at the B20.There's the G20 and the B20, the top 20 businesses.And this foreign minister said quite clearly that what they're planning to do is pass the international health rule amendments in Geneva, Switzerland in May of 2023.And that would change the World Health Organization. So they would be empowered to tell all nations on earth and all people on earth what they must do.And one of the first things they want to do is demand that every person on earth get a digital identity that would be on their phone.We'd all have our own digital identity and we would each be assigned a QR code.And what he was saying is this will be so great. Now we all don't have to stay home and be restricted from being able to travel. Those who do what they're told will be allowed to get on a plane.They'll be allowed to buy groceries at the grocery store or go to a hardware store, or they'll be allowed to buy things or get on public transportation.But woe be to those who don't follow with what the World Health Organization says.Their life is basically over. This has never happened before in human history.This has never happened. What country in their right mind would empower the World Health Organization, basically the UN, to become a platform for global governance?The last thing we would give the UN is power and more money or a military or the ability for taxation.You would never do that because here in the United States, as we've seen, our rights infringed by our own government and by corporations. Can you imagine? There are no rights when the UN controls the world. They're the rights. Whatever the elites want, that's what they get. So you're talking essentially global dictatorship.And the president of the United States is pushing this and the leaders of various foreign countries are pushing this.So this is a two track approach, Peter. One is through a global pandemic treaty, which is far more difficult to get adopted, but it is a possibility.The other track approach is changing these amendments at the World Health Assembly in Geneva, Switzerland.That's a far easier proposition because that's basically majority rule and you can get it through.And so that's why we're very concerned. Now, in the rules of the World Health Assembly nations have 18 months to opt out, but I'm telling you, you don't want to get to that point.You don't want something like this to pass. And then you've got to try and figure out how to get out of it.You just don't want it to pass in the first place.And you would know better than anyone, your country has dealt with Brexit and the empowerment of the EU over your decisions in your nations.And so now imagine that breath-taking level of control going to the World Health Organization with the UN.So this is the World Health Alliance next month meeting in in Geneva, and my huge concern, you talked about funding with with the Bill and Melinda Gates organization being number two and then with China being number three.And you wonder what lies behind this push, because the call will be that it will make our lives easier.And convenience is a double-edged sword in many ways.But where, because then when you look at the digital ID, you're looking at the intrusion of AI.And obviously Bill Gates has a lot of experience in the tech world and branching out into all of the vaccines and the farming.And then China, it seems as though You've got some organisations that are, I guess, being forced along.But other organisations or countries are more intentional.China seems to be intentional with what it's doing, as does the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, where other countries seem to be, I guess, useful idiots, kind of caught along. So tell us kind of about that power play that's happening?
 
Well, it's honestly, this isn't very difficult to figure out and see what's going on. It's control.There are some people in this world who are are just control freaks and they they tend to be extremely wealthy.We've got a lot of them in the United States. Mark Zuckerberg, who has Facebook now called Meta.He's one of them. And Bill Gates, who has Microsoft, and he was an early funder in vaccines.And now he's buying up farmland, and he is a very interesting character, Bill Gates, but he's not the only one. There are other people who are interested in being able to increase their level of control and perhaps even their own bottom line. They have their own ideas about how we should be living our lives, and it isn't necessarily in line with our interests.These people really fundamentally hate the idea of democracy. They hate the idea of people being able to choose the leaders to serve them, but then also the way that they live and the laws that they live under. They think they know better. This is a global nanny state that they're looking to create, but it's global control. So this isn't hard to figure out because if you look at the the entire, we have 5,000 years of recorded human history.And if you look at that history, there's a lot of ugly, bloody efforts where people, history is man's attempt to enslave man, to control mankind for their own best interests.And it's the idea of faith and religion in particular, the faith of the Bible where you kind of see that the story play out, where you have another way other than madmen controlling other men.And God, through the Bible, talks about freedom for men, and various governments were created because people were enlightened by that image of men being free.This worldview that we're seeing with trying to lift up and enlarge the power structure of the World Health Organization, primarily the UN is what we're talking about, that is not that structure, looking to empower people or to enhance freedom or have better options for people or better health care for people. That's not what this is.This is about more control for a very small group of people and less control for the rest of us. So it's easy to see what will happen. We all become serfs in a modern morality tale where we're the losers and very few people are the winners.
 
Can I just finish looking at the political response just last question on it because obviously this is the WHO are wanting this global push and control over each and every country and certainly in the US it doesn't matter if you've got one state which is red, one state which is blue, that kind of removes that advantage when when you have a large organization like this overarching countries.So does this, is this a pushback from the Republicans there in the States?And we look to you because we don't have, we have bright sparks of conservative movements breaking out across Europe, we do.Certainly in Sweden, in Hungary, in Italy, possibly in Austria.So there are things happening, but what does it mean for the U.S. politically?Politically, what it means is people, this issue hasn't been a high profile issue by design.The Biden administration has tried to down pedal this. They've really tried to go under the radar so no one knew what was going on. But there are some people who know. And I don't know if your listeners know, I mean, here in America, we are losing more and more rights every day to freedom of speech and expression, which again, from the inception of our nation is unknown. We've always had the rights to freedom of speech and expression, but we're seeing them squelch, particularly through social media companies. But people are finding out. So in America, because we are a constitutional republic where people can contact their representatives and let them know what they think, people are letting their senators and representatives know, we, don't want Joe Biden's plans to succeed. We don't want the World Health Organization to to take over our sovereign choices on healthcare.We wanna keep our choices on healthcare.So people are trying to get that message out. It's tough, it's a tough environment to get that message, but we're always hopeful. The one thing about Americans, they tend to be very optimistic.And just like we saw last year, it was literally a miracle where countries like Botswana and some African nations pushed back and stopped this from passing.They raised real concerns. There's no reason why people can't contact their representatives in the UK, in England, in Scotland, in Wales, in other nations throughout Europe to let your country know you have a vote.Every single country has a vote. There's 194 votes.Every country can register opposition and say, look, we're not giving over sovereignty to the World Health Organization.Because trust me, it won't be just healthcare, it will expand.And for instance, there's some language that I've read in the global pandemic treaty, but also with the healthcare amendments in Geneva, Switzerland, where they're saying that if a country is deemed to be racist, that that would be considered a health problem, or from climate change, if something is deemed to be climate change, the World Health Organization steps in. So it's about two steps away from world government. That's really what this is. So don't delude yourself into thinking this is only about trying to help poor countries during a pandemic. This has nothing to do with that. This is all about empowering a global entity. So this global entity will be able to force all governments to do its bidding.And the number one question I get, Peter, from people is, well, Michele, this would never happen because if the World Health Organization told our country to do something that we didn't want to do, our government wouldn't go along with it. Well, if Joe Biden is the lead instigator of handing over this sovereignty to the World Health Organization, I think he will be the enforcer because we will lose massive rights.And if there's one thing that history teaches us, it's this.Once you give up power, once you lose freedom, it's very difficult to get it back.And when it comes back, if it comes back, it's in a very different form.So a country like the United States was very unique when it was founded.And we've seen our own freedoms and our own rights chipped away to an extent that people in the United States, frankly, don't even recognize our country anymore.And we've been the nation that people have looked to, to help safeguard their rights. If the United States is no longer open and free and able to help safeguard other nations' rights, then where do we go. We all see what's happening, this is no clandestine story.
Communist China has very clear designs on ruling the world. Just a couple of weeks ago, Xi Jinping was in Moscow with Putin, and he said, we will rule the new global order, the new global alliance. He said it three times during his visit. And again, if history teaches us anything, it's when a madman speaks, listen, Xi Jinping is stating the obvious, and he wouldn't state it unless he felt China was at the threshold of being able to accomplish this. They see the United States as past tense. They see themselves not only at the ascendancy, but just about to grab the brass ring of global domination. And part of that domination is having the 194 nations blindly and voluntarily give up their sovereignty on health care to the World Health Organization.Because Communist China knows they control the organization anyway, and then they can project their power to dominate the rest of the globe and be the true hegemon, the true leader globally if we have foolishly given away our power to the World Health Organization.And then just recognize the world will never be in the same place. So this isn't just doom and gloom despair. That's not what I'm saying. The reason why I'm saying this is we're free men, free women. At least that's what the advertising is. We're free men, free women. And so we've got to do what prior generations have done. We have to act. We have to make our voices heard, but we have to let our own governments know.And if a country like Botswana could have tipped the tide last year, why couldn't England this year? Why couldn't Wales this year?Why couldn't Scotland this year?Or Ireland or any other country? Of course we can.And so we're trying to get to every person that we can here in the United States, even though Republicans aren't in charge, it's the Democrats that are in charge, but we still have a voice and we can still pray.I'm a Christian, I believe in the God of the Bible, I pray, he's performed miracles when everything is impossible, there's a miracle.And so I think there's always room for optimism, always room for joy and hope.And we cry out to the God who created us and we ask him to deliver us.
It's a perfect end and I've seen miracles many times in my life, I attest to that, Michele, when God steps in and does what is impossible makes it possible. But thank you for, this is a huge subject and just happening next month in Geneva and the viewers need to be aware of it. So thank you for coming along and sharing what's happening. And I think it is a rallying call for people to act, to engage with their elected officials and encourage them to vote properly at that assembly. So thank you so much for your time, Michele.You're welcome. And Peter, it's not over until it's over. A lot of people that evil designs before and they were foiled. This one could be foiled too.

James Harvey - Students Against Tyranny: Stop Discriminating Against Non-Woke Students

Our education system is changing rapidly and the once vital skills of debate and reason have been washed away with a fear of offence and disagreement. James Harvey is our guest today and he is a student who has had to stand his ground. It would have been so much easier to fit into the woke madness and keep his head down, but that's not James. He has bravely stood for common sense, reason and debate in his university so he joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his experiences and also to talk about how and why he set up Students Against Tyranny.James Harvey is a 19 year old who is the founder of Students Against Tyranny, a platform to connect like-minded students so they don’t feel so isolated and alone in their beliefs.He is also a proud journalist for Voice of Wales and the host of the Thursday evening show on Unity News Network.Follow James on social media.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/vowjamesTwitter: https://twitter.com/JamesHarvey2503?s=20Follow and support Students Against Tyranny.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/SATOfficialTwitter: https://twitter.com/SATOfficial_1?s=20Telegram: https://t.me/studentsagainsttyrannyofficialCatch James every Thursday at 8pm on Unity News Networkhttps://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/Originally broadcast live 24.4.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Today, we're going to look at education, which we've looked at in varying degrees, but this time, what it is like for those going through university at the moment.And it is wonderful to have James Harvey with us tonight. James, thank you so much for your time.
 
(James Harvey)I really appreciate you having me on.
Not at all. Watched you, what you're doing with Students Against Tyranny, obviously, seeing you on Voice of Wales, and you're there in the Voice of Wales set, well-known to us all.Obviously on Unity News. When are you on? Is it Tuesday or Thursday evenings?
Thursday evening at 8 p.m. on UNN.
So we'll catch you there. And your handle there at JamesHarvey2503.People can follow you on Twitter and find out what you're up to.Obviously you were at the fifth anniversary Unity News Network, and I saw a number of pictures you put up over those few days.
Yeah, it was absolutely brilliant. So I got to meet some people that I, you know, I've spoken to a lot online, never met them in person, like Siraj for example, correct not political, stuff like that. And it was just, it was an amazing couple of few days really. I mean, on the first day we went outside the Ministry of Defence and unrolled a banner. Straight after that, then we went to Parliament Square where I got to wave a placard around that said not a penny more to the Zelensky regime in front of all the Extinction Rebellion lot. And have a few conversations with them as well, because that's what it's all about, isn't it? Free speech and you know, ability to debate and I found that with groups like Extinction Rebellion, they're a lot more willing to have that conversation with you than say Antifa or stand up to racism. So yeah, I enjoyed it.
No, absolutely. And we're going to talk about your, maybe your background first. I know I followed the issues you've had, I guess being a conservative student, someone who believes right and wrong, common sense.You can't wake up and change your gender over your cornflakes or whatever area that we are being bombarded with.And I kind of watch my kids in school, but obviously at university, which is supposedly a bastion of free speech where your ideas are challenged, where you clash with other people and you come out a better person because you better understand issues.It is becoming very, very different. do you just want to give us a I guess a snapshot of what it has been like for you and the difficulty you have faced?
 
So I've faced a lot with my university but what I will say is that what I found through my research is that the highest ranked universities are often the most restrictive around free speech. If you're going to a university that focuses on your creativity over your academic ability, then usually that university is much better in terms of free speech. So for example, if you go to Cambridge or the Imperial College, where they're very highly ranked in the UK, they are very restrictive around free speech and they're more likely to punish you for wrong think and being outspoken in kind of conservative and liberal viewpoints.My university, which is Trinity St. David's in Swansea, is it focuses on creativity over academic ability.So I found that it's much better in terms of free speech. However, I have faced some issues along the way.So there was two videos, right?So there was one video where I basically talked about one of our teachers who'd made a student drop out by going on a rant about toxic masculinity and all this kind of this anti-man feminism stuff, right?And so I did a video talking about that. That got quite a lot of views on Twitter.And then I also, I remember they brought up a picture in my class of a Hindu woman standing up to a member of the EDL.And I'd taken like a five second video clip. You couldn't see anyone's faces.You couldn't hear anything. I was just showing exactly what was on the screen.And yeah, that got me in a lot of trouble with my university as well.So what they said is that I broke the lecture recording policy and I put student lives in danger.By publicizing it pretty much, right?So I had an email basically telling me they were gonna instigate disciplinary procedures against me which I immediately got in touch with Neil McCrae from the workers of England, who's a brilliant man.And if any students are watching and you are looking for a good union to join, head over to Workers of England.They do a student discount, which is about 48 quid a year. And they're very helpful and very good at dealing with these kinds of situations.Now at first, over email, they were basically telling me that I wasn't allowed legal representation in the meeting.So they wanted it just to be me on my own. I'd fought against this and I said, nope, I'm going to bring someone anyway.Now, the words that we're using, by the way, and Julie, who's watching, I was kind of going back and forth with her about this. The words that we're using was, we don't normally allow legal professionals. We don't advise it.So they're not telling me I can't do it. They're saying, well, we don't suggest it, right?But they're very careful in the words that they use. So I actually attended one of these meetings with my, I managed to, I basically brought in my lawyer anyway, Neil McCrae.I am entitled to legal representation, whether they say I am or not. And so I brought him into the meeting with us andit went much better than I was expecting. They just asked me to remove the videos.Because there was another part of it as well, they said I was causing the university reputational damage. Now that's an interesting point because there's an article in Wales Online called University of Wales Trinity St David's warns that students spreading COVID misinformation could face disciplinary action. So they'd given a statement to Wales Online admitting that I studied there. No one knew I went to that university before they admitted it, so it's their fault thatpeople know I go there. And so if they were so concerned, they wouldn't have given, a statement. They wouldn't have. That's just how it is, right? And so because they'd admitted that I went there, I thought, you know what, it's okay to do videos about my university, right, as you would rightly think. And so, you know, I did these videos not thinking I was getting into trouble. Now, I have removed the videos because unfortunately, otherwise I will be kicked, out. That's what they're saying. So it ended up being no further action, just as long as the the videos were removed.Yeah.
 
I mean, tell me that,because I've talked to others in uni and they basically keep their head down, keep quiet, don't want to rock the boat, think that actually the be-all and end-all of life is a degree.That's not necessarily, no, that is a part of the jigsaw, let's say that. But what do you say to others who just think actually, you know, I can't really speak on these issues, I can be an activist I can engage later on, but I just need to concentrate on these three, four years of my life.
Yeah, well, it's the thing. I mean, a lot of young people, as everyone knows, you know, it's kind of the, um, it's the stereotype of university students right now. Um, that's where it's a very left wing, like you should be left wing. If you're not left wing, there's something wrong with you. That's the kind of dominated belief on a lot of universities. Right, now.The thing is that those who are socialists are those who have read Carl. No. Yeah. Those who are socialists are those who have read Marx and Lenin, right? But those who are anti-socialist are the ones who understand Marx and Lenin, right? Once you read, like for example, with Marx, right, if you read his earlier work, he was a lot more liberal than later on, right? He became far more radicalized during the later periods, right? And so, you know, Marxism is obviously world domination for historical materialism. They attach labels to you like far-right, racist, homophobic, bigots, whatever, in order to shut you up. Yeah, that's that's why they do it. But I think you'll find that there's a quite a silent majority of people who disagree with communism in universities, right? Disagree with the the left's beliefs, right? I found a lot more right wing students than I first thought I would. There's like, for example, there's quite a few Tommy Robinson supporters on my course, right? And that's not something you would expect among university campuses, right?
Love it.
 
It is amazing to see that, right? And they loved my t-shirt as well, because I wore a black and white Unite t-shirt with all the pictures of Tommy and his black mates.So the thing is, the labels only have power if you give them power, right? Like, I couldn't care these days, right? At first, yeah, I cared. Now, I really don't. I mean, we were called far-right extremists the other day in an article from Nation Cymru, and then they used as the face of the Students Against Tyranny far-right was an old lady with a sign that says no to 15-minute cities, right? And this lady, I had a conversation with her, she was a God-fearing woman, right? And so these labels, they shouldn't bother you, right? They're just, at the end of it, at the end of the day, they're just words, right? And I think for me in particular, you know, I'm willing, as long as students, as long as what I'm saying gives students the confidence to speak up, then I'm willing to risk my future employment or whatever and so anyone who's watching who's afraid of the labels don't be don't be they're just words yeah um Marxism only works when you let these labels bother you if if you start speaking up and you you kind of ignore the labels ignore the far right nonsense right then Marxism would never work right would never thrive yeah um so yeah that's that's my advice to anyone watching
 
Okay, sounds good, good advice. Students Against Tyranny, you started Students Against Tyranny as a way of pushing back against the fascism, the censorship, the restrictions that we see.Tell us about what your thoughts were on starting up, because again, people can, be vocal, can speak, it does take time and energy and most people watching don't realise the work it entails building an organization from the ground up. You're not, you weren't dropped into something ready-made. You actually have to build it. So tell us about that idea first of Students Against Tyranny and then about building that up.
 
So it all started with Anna Brees and I know I hate the name as well, right? But she was doing a photo shoot for a website, right?Again, vaccinepassports.com. So I went down there back then, right? She wasn't as bad and as hated as she is now. And I understandably hated as well, but I'd sat down, but after the photo shoot, we were all at the pub and she, you know, I sat down with her and I did an interview in that interview. I said, what was it? If you allow the government to break the law and to violate your rights because of an emergency, what's stopping them from creating an emergency to break the law. And it went viral on Twitter, got a lot of views.I used that then to kind of launch my Twitter and a couple of days later I had the idea to start Students Against Tyranny. The main reason being is that a lot of people had kind of asked me beforehand when are the students going to start standing up, stuff like that, so I basically decided to start Students Against Tyranny. We started with a Crowdfunder which in the beginning raised a lot of money but I don't think people realize how quickly money goes, especially when you're running a campaign group. It's like everything just costs so much money and especially with the cost of living crisis as well. The main thing is the traveling, isn't it? But it started as kind of a way to connect like-minded students so they didn't feel so alone and isolated in their beliefs and opinions, especially around the vaccine as well. We were very concerned that, because a lot of friends, you know, have the belief that you should take the vaccine, if you don't, you're killing other people. And you've got parents as well in the schooling system and you had medical students. The main idea was to kind of, if they had a social group to talk to, it would stop the peer pressure and they would decide not to get the vaccine rather than to get it. So that's the main reason why it started, right? But then I look at these groups like Youth for Freedom and Freedom for Teenagers, which is another two youth groups that exist, they're already for the social aspect of things. And then you look at other groups like Stand in the Park and stuff like that, and I kind of realized there is a lot of social groups out there for anyone. So I wanted to move away from that to activism. And so I slowly made that move into activism. Yeah, we did help the medical students at the time, we managed to get our legal letters to all of them. At the time, I think we had about 400 medical students joined Students Against Tyranny just to get the legal letters, which was absolutely fantastic.So we got out there. Sorry, I've lost my point. Yeah, so we kind of moved in the direction of activism. Then we started doing events. So April 9th, 2022, I believe it was, we did an event outside the Imperial College. Now at the time this was the first liberal student rally that had been done in quite a long time, I believe, in the UK.So we managed to get about 35 students and about 15 adults to support us, which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're dealing with left-wing students and students who are scared to speak out, it's quite a large number in proportion. So we did that event, and for a while, you know, it's pretty much just being me and a small team on our own doing this stuff until Wes came along and Wes started doing outreach.And then we got invited to a rally with Ramis and a few other people, which was a youth outreach march.It was led by the youth, which is obviously, was also led by Nazrin, Jess Felicity, Luca, Wes, you know, Monty, some great, great people.And it kind of, there's a lot of young people came along to that event, which is brilliant because it allowed us to do a lot of outreach with them.And now we've started building up, especially recently, a very large team of young student activists who want to get more involved in the freedom movement, which is exactly what's needed.When the youth start stepping up, it's over for them. It is over for them, right?And it's good as well, right, because I post a lot of pictures with young individuals, you know, Students Against Tyranny, and it gives people a lot of hope as well.When they see the youngs- you know, a lot of people have been doing protests now for the past 20 years. When they see the young start standing up, it gives them hope and it gives them a reason to get involved again, because I don't know if you've seen it as well, a lot more people have become black pilled recently, where they believe there's no point of fighting, there's no point of protesting, and there's no point of doing anything.You know, the youth are standing up and it's, we need your support as well. So, I mean, we're in Manchester recently for a student who was discriminated against for his political beliefs. John Christian, we call him. So, we're at Manchester University. Now, as soon as I got there, because I got there an hour before, which was a bad mistake, because as soon as I got there, there was about 20 people, like our supporters, who were waiting there, and then you had 250 antifa start marching down the road right so they're all shouting fascist scum off our streets um accusing me of being a member of the BNP, now now anyone now anyone who knows anything about, students against tyranny we are, and I hate using this term but we are racially diverse right we're, black and white unite you know it's culture war not a race war that's our belief right um a bit like the EDL you know it's black and white unite the at the end of the day it's it's a culture war not a race war I believe the globalists want a race war so I'll stand with of anyone, doesn't matter what skin colour you are.You know, we all bleed the same blood of patriotism. That's my belief in that.But obviously, I'm very outspoken on other issues like Islamic grooming gangs.Now, 250 Antifa come down.Police are like, right, we're going to have to bring in TSG.They have a different name for them up there.But.
 
And TSG is basically the riot police for those not under not from the UK or from London or wherever the TSG is, as most of us hadn't come across the TSG before Covid.
Yeah, well, that's it. in it. But the Antifa arrived, they started attacking us. So they robbed, they stole one of our flags, which we ended up setting on fire. Police were just standing around biting their nails at this point. And then the TSG arrive and they form them. It took them a while, by the way, after TSG arrives, they need to start planning and everything or whatever. It takes them about 20 minutes after they arrive to actually form a line. So they form a line. And by the way, I've been promised before this that they were going to move Antifa into a different section. So they form a line in front of Antifa and they're like you haven't got enough supporters yet.Now, they formed a line, right? By the way, because obviously we got there at 12. This is only half 12. The event doesn't start until one, right? So you've got a lot of people who won't be there until 1 to 1.30. That's when people start arriving in mass, usually.So police have formed a massive line. They're like, right, you haven't got enough support, so we're going to move them back a meter. And that's it. We're going to keep you in the corner, shoved into a corner, and you've got a meter. So then you've got people, right? Because I had loads of messages about this. We've got people who've travelled all the way down from Scotland who can't get through the police lines because police not letting them, which was just absolutely ridiculous. Now we're like, right, we're just going to have to start the event anyway. We're not scared, you know, we're not scared of Antifa. Now they're like, it's funny because there was a guy who was threatening to stab us and that same guy was like, why are you here? Why are you here?Give your speech, give your speech. And loads of other people will get like, give your speech, give your speech. And then as soon as we start giving our speech, they're booing us really loudly, playing loud music, drumming, which has just proven our point. We're there because of free speech.They're there counter-processing free speech, shutting down free speech, and they still think they're the good people in all of this.It's just absolutely astonishing to me. So I was, by the way, we have, so we have a lot of, alter cants where we watch all of these antifa lot, right? We, we, we very, we keep a very close eye on all of them. And we've seen tweets where they're talking about militant antifascism, because I'm talking about our event, right? And there was a teacher from Manchester university.It was like militant, and I agree with all of you, but I don't think militant antifascism is the way.And they're like, yeah, it is. It is right. There was a massive debate about it. So they're admitting that theirs is a militant organization, right? Now they use threats, violence to intimidate and suppress political opponents. That is the definition of terrorism. Antifa are terrorists.There's no doubt about it. Antifa are a terrorist organization and they need to be shut down. Now we're not scared of Antifa. They can set my flag on fire. They can come after me all they want, right? I will be back in Manchester on the 3rd of June at 1pm, 188 Oxford Road. I'll be there again.I'm not up there to have a massive fight with Antifa, but anyone who's watching, if you can come, please come. We need your support, right? If there's enough of us, Antifa will get moved into a different section, right? And we need enough of us so we can talk to the wider public, we can have our voices heard by the university rather than shut down by the tyrannical Antifa.So, if you can be there, please do, 3rd of June in Manchester, thank you.
Well, let's, so you've got two events, so let's do one by one and kind of why these are important.So, the one coming up, what most, just next month actually, is on 15-Minute Cities, and that's in Swansea.So, tell us about that first.Yes, so I'm really looking forward to this one because last Monday we had 40 people out for outreach on a Monday.Now that's pretty good numbers for a Monday. Just for handing out leaflets.So that was absolutely fantastic. Now that day we'd made the news twice.So there was one article in the morning, far-right extremists plan to gather in Swansea.Yeah. And it was mainly a hit piece on banners and bridges, which I'm very proud of them because it's the first time getting in the news. I do a lot of work with them. It's run by Sasha. You can find them on Telegram if anyone's interested. They run a lot of regional groups across the UK.And then there was a second article which came out after the event actually happened, and it was Police Attend Far-Right Extremist Outreach March, or whatever.And now that was very cleverly worded, right, because police attend all events, doesn't mean there was any fights or anything, or we were violent or whatever.The reason they attended was because Stand Up To Racism will be counter-protesting us on the 7th, right?All be counter-protesting us on the actual protest day. And so they were there to make sure, well to keep the peace or facilitate it, it's their favorite word now, to facilitate a peaceful protest and make sure that Antifa or Stand Up To Racism didn't turn up to counter-protest us. So yeah, it was very cleverly worded and that's exactly where they used the picture of the elderly woman holding a sign that said no to 50-minute cities as the face of the far right, which I found really interesting. Now there's going to be a lot of Students Against Tyranny coming as well, we've got a few Welsh ones who are going to be coming and you've got some traveling all the way down from England to just support us because there's rumours of Swansea Online attending with a film crew which I'm really excited over because you know I'm quite hopeful of this.The thing is with Covid and with vaccine and stuff like that we had a lot of people telling us to f off doing the middle finger, arguing with us constantly. With this, people care more. And the reason people care more is because it hits them directly in their pocket. This is a war on motorists and the majority of the world's a motorist. Well, not the majority of the world, but the majority of the UK and the US and all of that are motorists, right? They'll drive a car. So they'll,It will affect them and they'll care about it. Now stand up to racism have been leafleting about this in Swansea. And they, and in their video, they did it with Stan, right? They didn't recognize which is funny because they're leafleting about Stan as well. So Stan's having a conversation with them and they're like, oh, so 15 minutes a day is a great idea, right? It's everything located within 50 minutes. And Stan's like, well, won't they fine you for leaving your zone? And they're like, no, no, that's a conspiracy theory. But then you look at Oxford and what they've done in Oxford. So what they've done in Oxford, right? It's not just you can't leave your zone. So you can leave your zone for up to a hundred days a year, right? Free of charge. Now, after those 100 days, you will have to pay £25 a day that you're driving. Now, that's if you live in Oxford.If you don't live in Oxford, you have to pay 75 quid a day.Just to drive around. You pay road tax. Why are you having to pay this? Now, I hate this argument that, it's like the smoking ban in pubs. It's not like the smoking ban in pubs. It's like saying, you can't smoke unless you pay me, and then you can smoke. That's exactly what it's like, right?All this ULEZ stuff, but it's not just about money. It's not just about money. They have money.What it's about is it's making driving a luxury for the rich and too expensive for the poor, or hindering your ability to travel.That's what it is about. It's about control, yeah? And so we're going out now with a team within the next couple of weeks to leaflet and leaflet and leaflet and raise awareness of this and get people there.It's gonna be a big, big demonstration. We've got some great guest speakers.We've got Paul Burgess, who's a climate realist. He runs a channel, Climate Realism with Paul Burgess.He worked for Welsh Water for nine years and has been developing a mathematical model of climate change for the past 30 years. We've also got Ben Walker, who's the chairman of UKIP.We've got Debbie Hicks, who's from Keep It Cash. You've got myself, and we've got a few more that we're working on getting. So it's gonna be a big day. I'm looking forward to it.If you are Welsh, come support us. It's gonna be great.
Well, obviously we've watched Oxford and what they're doing there.We obviously, all around London is the, not only the ULEZ, but LTN, so Low Traffic Neighbourhoods Restricted Off. I think Haringey wants to have 90% of their roads cut off.And of course, you're right, it is a war on, it is a war on the working class because I know people who they have a vehicle, if they drive their vehicle to their home, they'll be charged.And yet the price of a new car is out of reach of most people.And then you're looking at second hand, but most people don't have the ability to sell off something that's maybe only worth maybe 2,000, 3,000, and then you're paying three times that at least for any second-hand car.So it is punishment. At least you don't have Sadiq Khan telling you what to do.Well, you're absolutely right, because on the 27th now in Cardiff, the council's actually meeting to discuss a congestion charge, a ULEZ zone, all of this stuff, right?Now, the congestion charge is a rather interesting one because we don't get much traffic in Cardiff other than rush hour. So I don't know what they're on about there, But they've got a meeting on the 27th at 2pm at City Hall, so I'm going to be outside obviously.To discuss bringing this in. It is just a war on motorists. They want us to use public transports, right? But especially in Wales, and I know London's exactly the same, it's not reliable.It's absolutely not reliable. I mean, we have the funding to fix it, but what we spend on rainbows on a bloody road, because that's going to make a difference. It's absolutely ridiculous. And people are buying this as well. The fact people are buying this, I am ashamed to call myself Welsh. We were known for fighting and getting out there. But after COVID, if you saw that, the amount of people who were just brain dead sheep, it's vile. It absolutely is.
And I'm assuming, although it doesn't really matter much difference, because there isn't really much right and left in any of these issues, but I'm assuming, not having looked for a while at that make up of the Welsh Assembly.I'm assuming it's Labour and then Plaid Cymru who have the majority.
 
Yeah, that's right.Wow, so you're not gonna get any sense out of any of them. So, Plaid Cymru for those outside is the Welsh Nationalist Party, who is as dumb and awful as the SNP, the Scottish Nationalist Party.
The best way to describe them is they want independence, but they want us to re-join the EU.So, that's just coming. Sorry, my bad, I got them confused then.
This is stupidity, so tell us, so you've got the event, talk to us about the event in June and then I wanna talk more about, a little bit about discrimination, which people face in university, just having some common sense views, but tell us what was the event in June you talked about?
So it is a really, really long story, this is.I haven't got it all off the top of my head, but I can give you a piece.
We've got all night, James, don't worry.
 
I can definitely give you a brief rundown of what happened. So, if anyone does want to view the full story, it is on urbanscoop.news, how Manchester University conspired against a non-woke student. If you want to give that a read, the full story of exactly what happened is in there, because it is a very, very long story.Now, the best way to describe it, right, is pre-2016, universities were a place of free speech.They were. Now, when Trump, with the Trump presidential election and with Brexit and all of this, something started to happen to university campuses, right? There was a massive shift in the way the administration handled things, right? All of a sudden, it wasn't okay to have voted Brexit. That's the kind of mentality, right? So they kind of clamped down on free speech a whole lot more. Now, John, so John Christie and the student in question here, he'd basically, he was in university pre-2016. After 2016 he got accepted into a PhD program.So yeah, now he'd gone to a seminar event with about 250 research professors, students and faculty.Now in this seminar, a student unbeknownst to John had announced to the class that he'd voted to leave the European Union. Now all of these students then started debating and he was up for it, he loves to debate, that's exactly what universities were pre-2016 and so he was debating a lot of the students on that. Now after this he'd noticed that a lot more people would invite him to the pub and stuff like that and they'd have a debate with him. Now what he didn't realize, and the full story as I said is on UrbanScoop, now what he didn't realize until much later is that that's what they were trying to do, it's trying to find something they could be offended over so they could go to the university and report him for offending them and making them feel uncomfortable.Right? So he'd constantly, by the way, get pulled in to a disciplinary as someone had been offended over what he'd said and he'd get into trouble, whether that be suspended isolation, whatever, right? But he'd constantly have to go through disciplinary meetings and this went on for ages, right? Now, without further explaining that, again, the full story is on UrbanScoop.If anyone remembers the Irish abortion referendum, I think it was 2019, I'm not too sure on that one.Someone had actually come into his office and there was a group of them who came to his office celebrating over the results of the Irish abortion referendum. So what this did is it legalized abortion, right? That's what it did, right? So it legalized abortion in Ireland and he'd asked them to leave because they were making him feel uncomfortable, basically using the tactics that they were using and what he said was is that he wants to debate this topic but he knows if he does then he's going to get pulled into a disciplinary, right? And so what had happened was he'd asked them to leave, they left and then they'd reported him again but this time they, and he was pulled, sorry, he was pulled into a disciplinary and what they said is that even though he'd followed all the rules that he still made students feel uncomfortable by not celebrating with them and so he was in trouble again. Now the story is absolutely mad but eventually what's happened was he was basically, they refused to assess his thesis after five years of studying for it, right, he doesn't get a refund, no sorry he does get a refund, he was on a scholarship program but after five years of studying for his PhD, which is a long time to waste if you're not going to get your qualification, they refused to assess it and it's an absolutely mad story. So the ultimate reason of that was he's actually, if everyone remembers in 2018, It was to do with, no.I can't remember what year exactly it was, but there was a year to do with BLM. BLM was very big in the mainstream news. He'd actually written to his university president and had basically said that they shouldn't be backing BLM because BLM is a Marxist organization and Antifa, they've been causing riots and stuff like that. And so the concern is they could say there were too many books in the library that are written by white people and not enough black people and so they could burn down the library. At the time that was a genuine concern and so then he got pulled into a meeting for threatening to burn down the library which he never did. Listen it's a massive story and I've got to memorize it to talk about it fully but if anyone does want to read it it's on ubanscoop.news so yeah.
 
Yeah make sure and check out and if anyone is not subscribed I'm sure any of our viewers will be, but make sure and subscribe to urbanscoop.news and you can get all of that great content, more and more content going up there regularly, so it is all available there. Just on kind of looking at universities, because my worry is that if students keep quiet until they get through, then they'll be so indoctrinated that they will come out, they may go in with the good intentions of holding on to common sense views and beliefs.But at the end of it they will be fully indoctrinated because they haven't learned how to push back and have absorbed those. You're obviously taking a stand.You're becoming more and more public in all different ways. So I guess what you're doing is laying down a line and saying this is really how you can be a student, hold on to your beliefs, get your education, actually you can have it all, it is possible.
Yeah, this is the thing right, I've got friends who are now in university, now before they went into university they were straight normal people, they've come now, I've seen a massive transformation, they're now got pink hair, identifies as a they-them, you know still trying to figure out their bloody gender, and it's not just my friends, you know, you look at, there's a hundred thousand transgender people in the UK.It's a huge problem. Now, I do a course in my university on film and TV. Do you want to know the stuff I've learned? So, in one lesson, I remember I learned about anti-Trump views, anti-capitalist views. I learned about climate change. Now, when we're given coursework and stuff like that, the topics we are given are very left-wing topics. I don't want to say right-wing, I'll come at them from a very liberal standpoint, but they are very left-wing topics that, yes, do need to be discussed, but the concern is, say in Manchester or Imperial College or Cambridge, if you come, like if you do what I do and come at the coursework from a liberal standpoint, you are going to be punished, and that is evident from the John Christian story.So the thing is, every student who is watching this now, you can have your beliefs, right? They may punish you or whatever, but what's the point in spending four years pretending you're something you're not. I thought that's what the entire trans movement is about in the first place isn't it? It's pretending you're something you're not, which that isn't the case at all. You're pretending to be the opposite sex. But you shouldn't have to worry about what other people think. And we are trying to bring free speech back to universities. I've made some great plans and I do want to give a big shout out to Kate Shimirani who's done some fantastic work and is working with us now on doing some Billboard Chris style videos, you can have your beliefs right, there is a support, there are support groups out there, we are growing every single day.You know, there are more people who want to get involved with Students Against Tyranny and what we're building, so if you are watching, please, please, please get involved and listen, parents out there as well, if your kid wants to go to university, my suggestion is look for the ones that are very highly ranked in regards to free speech and not so much in academic ability right, I mean yeah Cambridge University is considered one of the tops but at the end of the day it's just a piece of paper. It is just a piece of paper. Send them to a university where they're not going to get indoctrinated with all this communist, Marxist, Lenin, Trotsky bullcrap because that's exactly what it is. Send them to university that is much better in terms of free speech and isn't so indoctrinated because it's getting bad. Like you know when... See the thing is with this campus debates campaign we've launched which is our free speech campaign, We've been trying to get into universities to debate students, we've been trying to get university societies to work with us. Now the university societies that do have free speech, no, that do have debate in societies like Edinburgh for example, which got famous for the What is a Woman documentary counter-protest that happened, right?We'd actually reached out to universities like that asking if we can come there to debate students.They were like, no, you're too extreme. That's their view when it comes to us.We're not that extreme, right? About 20 years ago, we would have been marked liberal to moderately left. Do you get what I mean? And now we're far right, but the far left are just normal left, which is something I've never understood. So you've got Edinburgh University and all of of them doing, you know, not allowing us to come there because we're too extreme. And then you look, at universities like Bradford, for example, no right-wing societies at all. No conservative society, no free speech society, no debating society. Do you know what they do have though?They have an Afghanistan society, they have an Islam society, they have an LGBT society, they have all of these very left-wing. But where's the support groups for the right-wing ones?Well, no, you're right. And, I mean, just talk to someone like Andy Ngo and he'll tell you how caring and friendly any Antifa group is.They actually they no longer present. It's weird because these organizations no longer present themselves to be, to be moderate or fair. They are so aggressive.So in your face, they are so overwhelmed, I guess, with hate that there is no, there's no façade anymore. It's all there for everyone to see.Yeah. And this is the thing as well. I mean, a lot of them, because I love, I absolutely love debating a lot of these students.So I do it to a lot of my friends as well.And I don't really have them as friends anymore, but that's not the point. Right.Um, so I remember getting into a debate before about capitalism, right.And they're, they're basically saying that, um, the reason that communism would work well, the reason that communism hasn't worked so far is because it's capitalism, communism, and, um, it needs to be socialist communism in order for it to work.That's their main argument, but every time it starts off as socialism, we're always ends up as capitalist communism, so I've no idea what they're on about. Now they use the UK today as an example that capitalism doesn't work. Now, this is the thing, we don't live in capitalism, right? We don't. We live in corporatism, right? Where companies are more worried about social justice and equality, right? That's corporatism, that's not capitalism.We don't live in a capitalist society. We live in corporatism and we are heading towards a communist dystopia. That's the direction we're going in.Listen, I love debating that topic and there's another big one that I love doing, that's gender.Gender is one of my favorite topics to discuss because it's so sad.We're going to end up with, well, we are ending up with a generation of young, sterile men.Who in seven to 10 years will commit suicide.It's very upsetting to see that happen, especially a lot of the friends I grew up with heading down that direction, mutilating themselves, because they think it's helping them. The thing is, and I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, I don't think the blame is necessarily on transsexuals. I believe the blame is on the people around them. Because we've admitted, as the Gender Recognition Act 2004 says, this is a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that is recognized by the medical community, right? And instead of getting the real help they need, whether that be therapy sessions, whatever, we are instead feeding into their delusions a bit like saying to a schizophrenic, schizophrenic person that yeah everything they believe is happening to them is happening to them right, it's not healthy for them it isn't right and so we need to well that's my main concern is what we're doing to young men and what we're allowing to happen and all of these doctors who are willingly mutilating young men you know carving meat out of their legs to create a prop that doesn't work because it doesn't, it doesn't, it's just a sack of meat. You know, I, I interviewed someone called Richie for Voice of Wales, um, who's de-transitioned, right? 30 years old, he made the decision.He was 30. He was offered it in his first therapy session, majorly regret it, right? Now he's told me he can, he has a very low sex drive. He's depressed. He cannot have, he cannot, let's just, say have fun during sex. It's really messed him up. And that's one of my, I'm very passionate about this topic. So again if any students are watching or if anyone clips this, push this to Twitter. Just find us on Twitter, you see the...Username below and on Telegram Students Against Tyranny Official. Invite me to your university, man. Have a debate with me. I'm willing to debate anyone on any topic. So yeah, see you there.
Completely. And I agree with you, just to finish, I agree with you that my issue is not with the crazy activists, but it's with the government who've let this happen. It's with the Tavistock Clinic. It's with those doctors who mutilated children, sexually abused children, and will get away with it and we'll start working whatever the next clinic the government starts and no one is actually punished for that great evil. I'll just say to the viewers and listeners, if you are a university student and do want James, contact him directly, but by all means feel free to drop us info@heartsofoak.org and we'll certainly pass anything on to James. He has a great knowledge, he is passionate, he knows the issues, so why not bring him along. What could go wrong?What could go wrong? Maybe someone might actually hear some truth for once in a university setting, it'd be great.
 
Well, Antifa has pushed us in the direction now, so we can't even announce where we're going to be. Like with Wes, he was doing the outreach, right? I remember he went to Scotland to do some outreach, and then he was met with Antifa, counter-protesting him there.So it's really difficult to get anything done. So now it's kind of pushed us now in the direction of not announcing where we're going to be or what we're going to do, which ends up working out in in our favour anyway. So listen, if you are a student once it gets there, you can do it.You can do it anonymously like, you know, send us an email. Everything you say stays between us and you can get us into your university without putting the name to it.So, yeah, just let us know. Thank you.
Sounds good, James. Thank you for coming on. Love what you're doing with Students Against Tyranny, love how you're getting out and getting the message out. So thank you for coming on and sharing with us here at Hearts of Oak.I really appreciate it, Peter.
 
Not all. Make sure the viewers and listeners follow the links in the description, or just jump on James' Twitter handle and follow everything there. You can keep an eye on those events coming up. All the information, all the details will be on his Twitter account, so make use of that. And just goodbye to all our viewers. Enjoy the rest of your Monday. We'll be back with you on Thursday, looking at the WHO. Michele Bachmann's back with us again and discussing an issue that she is passionately concerned about, which is WHO and their impact on all of us, and the World Health Assembly meeting coming up in Geneva next month. And she unpacks some of what we will be facing from that. So on that, I have a good night to everyone. And for those listening, Podbean app or any podcasting app, thank you for listening on on the go and we'll be back with you on Thursday.So thank you and good night to you all.

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

Expect straight talking and common sense in abundance as Leilani Dowding joins Hearts of Oak for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving her unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the papers and from her social media.Join us as Leilani and Peter take a look at....- Penny Mordant, leader of the House of Commons, attacking Andrew Bridgen MP for speaking up for the vaccine injured.- 'My daughter’s life has been ruined by the Covid vaccine, and so has mine' A heart-breaking story from a mothers perspective.- VAERS death data and justice for the family of a Doctor who died 10 days after receiving his first dose of AstraZeneca.- Evolution of The Soy Boy: A 20 year old now has the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man.- NATO allies 'agree Ukraine will become member'.- Bud Light's marketing leadership undergoes a huge shake up after 'woman-face' controversy.- Censorship, YouTube and being demonetized for not playing along with delusions.- Mob Rule: Large group loot gas station in LA and the Police couldn't intervene.- In a story that’s been suppressed by the media for years, Elon Musk reveals Mark Zuckerberg gave $400M in the 2020 US election in support of efforts that benefit the Democratic Party.- UK Government Nationwide Alert: Who else is turning their alerts off on Sunday?Leilani Dowding is a regular contributor to The Mark Steyn Show. Half-Filipina, half-English, she is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant. Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers. She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.Follow Leilani on Twitter...https://twitter.com/LeilaniDowding?s=20Catch her Wednesdays on the brilliant Mark Steyn Show...https://www.steynonline.com/Originally broadcast live 22.4.23
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(Hearts of Oak)It is wonderful to have Leilani Dowding with us today. Leilani, thank you so much for joining us today.
(Leilani Dowding)Thanks for having me on. Always a pleasure.
 
Not at all.It was good to bump into you at Comcast and I've been on with you, different times on Ickonic, and people can obviously follow you there is your Twitter handle on the screen, also in all the descriptions, and they can catch you on Mark's Steyn.Tell us about that. You're on regularly on Mark's new show.Yeah, so I'm on Mark's show on a Wednesday night with a couple of other people and we just kind of talk about the news and stuff that's going on.But Mark's got his own channel now on his own website, marksteynonline.com.So all of the shows are on there.Obviously, with everything that happened with Ofcom, he's no longer on GB News and they seem to just keep wanting to employ politicians or ex-politicians.So, you know, Mark had to go do it himself, but just like you, doesn't do it on YouTube either. So, yeah.
It's much safer, but people can get it. Mark can get it on steynonline.com.You can get everything directly on Mark Stein's website.So let's jump in and look at our first story, which is the wonderful Penny Mordant, who could have been Prime Minister, although I'm not sure she'd really be any worse.Pro-Jam, do you wanna just play that clip of Penny?What other colleagues are not doing is promoting false propaganda, which is widely known to originate from the Kremlin, abusing and undermining colleagues and the occupant of the chair, and using the autopsy of a 14-year-old girl as clickbait on their social media feed, all of which the Honourable Member has done in the past week.And he might like to reflect on that.
This is obviously criticism of the wonderful, the one and only Andrew Bridgen MP who's spoken up for the vaccine injured, just like Mark Steyn really has done, and that's why he got clobbered by Ofcom for his honest conversations.So, Leilani, tell us about this, about Andrew Bridgen once again being attacked by others in the Chamber.
I mean, what Penny Mordaunt said was absolutely disgusting and disgraceful, isn't it?I mean, she's completely and utterly gaslighting the whole situation, yet again, like they've all been doing.But worse, worse is that she's saying it's Kremlin propaganda.I mean, it's like, it's laughable at this point.Like, really, are we going to say that everything's Kremlin propaganda and it's Russian affiliated or whatever? You know, what Andrew Bridgenhas said is his experience. He's vaccine injured himself. He's spoken up for the vaccine injured.He's, you know, been on the marches. He's tried time and time again to raise awareness to what's going on. And you have this woman standing there. And it doesn't surprise me, though, because, you know, I've seen her on interviews and she kind of is friends with Bill Gates. She won't have a bad word said about him.
 
It's really because I've been really shocked. I mean, I've worked in the Lords for 12 years and have been shocked at the lack of support that Andrew Bridgen, I think Esther McVey has come out and kind of backed him, but I would have thought there was maybe a dozen MPs kind of I would have thought in my mind would have come out and backed Andrew Bridgen and yet there's been silence and you know at the time he spoke in the chamber on this issue everyone got up and left and he was speaking to an empty chamber.
 
Yeah I saw that it was a disgrace, absolute disgrace. You saw somebody like tap someone on the shoulder then go over and usher everyone out. So there's obviously a big orchestrated effort here to keep it under wraps and keep it silent and not talk about it. Now they're going to keep, it seems, sticking to this official narrative that things are safe and things are effective and the public know it's not true. Now at this point they're learning. A lot of people know other people now that are a vaccine injured.I know a few personally, myself, and that's if they're lucky.That's if they're not dead.So for Penny Mordant to completely and utterly lie like that, and then Andrew Bridgen, I think he posted the autopsy of a 14-year-old girl in Japan.For her to then say that's just clickbait, I actually don't have any words for it, because it's just, It blows my mind that this can happen.No, it does. And it's, when you, you get excited whenever you see one politician stand up, but then whenever they're just attacked by every single other politician.But again, I guess it's fear of the leadership of the Conservative Party, because they realise that when the truth gets out, it'll not just be Dominic Raab just simply resigning, it'll be the rest of them and serious issues.And I guess they're all thinking of their jobs.
 
And that's the thing, isn't it?It's a bit like the Thalidomide.It took, what was it, 10 years for it to come out. And I don't think that these people want to speak about it yet, because these people are the people that were pushing it.They were telling their constituents, they were telling the country, take it, it's safe, it's effective.You're gonna end lockdowns. It's the only way to stop the lockdowns.They put us in these lockdowns.They put all these stupid measures out. They put the fear of God into people that they would never be able to get back to normal unless they took the jabs, then they coerce people into them. So for them to suddenly say, ooh, you know, we made a mistake.It would be the right thing to do, but you know, they're not good, honest, genuine people working there. So you know, it would be the right thing for them to say I made a mistake, but they won't. And it seems like the only person doing that now is Andrew Bridgen.Well in the media it's the same, and here is an article, Leilani, which you had retweeted, and this is Conservative Woman, which seems to be, well it's regularly talking about this issue, and is one of the few doing it and 'this is my daughter's life has been ruined by the COVID vaccine and so has mine' and it goes in the story written by someone who is anonymous again there is a fear of speaking truth on this and it just starts off this is the latest in our series of accounts of injuries caused by COVID-19 vaccines this is a heart-breaking story by Karen from a mother's perspective. And it's heartening, it's harrowing that this story has to be told, it's heartening that you have great publications like Conservative Woman getting this out.But again, they seem to be a voice in the wilderness in regards to other media outlets.That's right. There's very, very few people and media outlets talking about it. We saw it with Charlotte Wright's case, which I'll go into a bit later. There was just no media outside the court when they had the new coroner's review. And so there's very, very, as you said, very few cases, but this is heart-breaking. And you do see who the victim is, you see the daughter in it, because it shows her GoFundMe page, and there's photos of her and what happened and how she turned from this lovely, vibrant, she's only 36, so you know, much younger than me, this vibrant woman with two children and a husband, to somebody that was in a coma from I think it was blood clots and she was in a coma and she was in hospital a long time, she cannot walk properly, she can't, you know, bath herself and what have you, she can't get up her stairs, you know, she's really struggling because her house, you know, is a two-story house, there's no downstairs shower room, so she's, you know, it's an absolute nightmare, and of course, you know, where's the government support? They're not, you know, there's no, there's very few bungalows for her to go in, she can't work anymore, you know, they're struggling to pay the bills, and on top of this, you know, she really needs a carer. So it's, you know, it's another horrific situation.And I think the compensation that is being given out is pitiful. It's pitiful, whether it's for the vaccine bereaved, it's pitiful whether they're injured. And of course, big pharma have the only immunity around, financial immunity, you know, they should be paying out for these poor people to be looked after and taken care of, or the private health care that they need, or alternative kinds of health care.
 
And I guess whenever, and she talks about her daughter being in a coma for six or eight weeks, horrendous, and I guess the fear is that if someone goes to a hospital with a vaccine injury, that that's not a, that's not taken into consideration. So I could imagine they look for everything except that and by the time they come around to accepting that it could be too late for many people that's the scary reality.
 
And I don't even know if you know if they recognized it as a vaccine injury if there's anything that can actually be done to, you know to remedy that because I guess they just have to treat it as a stroke and it's just, oh sorry I accidentally pulled that out, it's just whether or not they canget themselves back into any state of health. And a lot of these poor people can't, Andrew Bridgen can't. He's, you know, I think he's, he's got to be on drugs, I think, for the rest of his life. Luckily, it's only antihistamines, because he gets, you know, these allergic reactions every time he stops now since but, you know, for some people.It's this and it's absolutely horrific.
Well, let's look at some of the data which you had put up, some of the VAERS data.Projam, can you just double click on that graph and bring it up full screen?And this shows the top is, let me bring it up, the top is all US deaths reported to VAERS by year.And as you can see, there's a pattern from 1990 up until 2020.That pattern is there are very, very, very few not even registered on this. And then something happens in 2021 and these are only the ones that are reported through the system. But I mean, tell us about, you put this up, tell us about this graph.
 
So Dr Thomas Binder put this up in response to what I put about Charlotte Wright. So what happened with Charlotte Wright is her husband, Stephen Wright, died 10 days after having the vaccine, and for a long time they wouldn't acknowledge that it was the vaccine that caused it. I think it's taken her about two years and about two days ago she, was it Wednesday, she went to court, she went for a coroner's review and they actually changed the death certificate to say AstraZeneca. So in a way it was a relief, Obviously, it doesn't bring any comfort, her husband's dead now. But the most insane thing is that he was classed as unvaccinated, because it was within two weeks or 14 days of the vaccine, they had natural causes, unvaccinated. So I think Dr. Thomas Binder was trying to demonstrate that, you know, that a lot of the deaths that are supposedly unvaccinated people dying could have been people that had the same reaction as him. And I know there's a lot of people who, wouldn't even think twice about it being a vaccine and just think, you know, oh, you know, it must be something rare that's happened. It's not the vaccine. It's a random blood clot. And it doesn't occur to them.But luckily, you know Charlotte fought so hard and for so long to get this acknowledged and recognised and changed.I hope this can open the door now for other people who have questions about, you know, someone passing away within 14 days of the vaccine and then it just not even being recorded as a vaccine injury or vaccine death.
 
I mean, Charlotte's story is so important because I'm sure there are many people who have tried and simply haven't got anywhere, and now they see actually there is recognition available, then I do hope that gives many courage to actually find out the truth about the deaths of their loved ones.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's really scary to think. I know a couple of people who say they have friends who kind of had heart attacks randomly, previously quite healthy people who didn't, think they had any underlying illnesses, just pass away of a heart attack or stroke. And I, you know, and then I think, I can't say it, I want to ask the question, but I can't say it. And I'm pretty sure, you know, that they had, they had the jab, but you know, and it's not really the right time to ask, is it? But I don't think...
It is a difficult conversation to have. It really is.So yeah, but you know, hopefully now this is opened a couple of doors for people. And the gaslighting has to stop and the censorship and you know what she was, she's been censored a lot she's been shadow banned. There's another lady that appears on Mark Stein's show, Vicky Spitz, her fiancé died the same way. She's been banned off Twitter for talking about it and there are so many people with vaccine injuries or have loved ones who've, you know, died from it, that can't even speak about it on social media.It's like, no, bye, let's, you know, wipe them off. And another one like Gareth Eve, his wife, Lisa Shaw, also died of it. And, and there's just, you know, silence, people aren't talking about it on in the mainstream. It's crazy to me. Well, it's not when you know the agenda, and you know, everyone's covering their back, but it's still, you know what I mean?
Oh and the government blame Russian disinformation, of course, of course. It's an easy way out and an easy way dismiss. It's like calling someone a Nazi or whatever, racist, just call them a Russian spy.
They love that. They love it these days. Any like slur you can come up with, just, you know, for anything that or so what now you're a Putin super sympathiser if you believe there's vaccine injuries or something. They'll come out with anything to cover their backs. It's crazy.
Now they will. Well, let's move on to a completely an interesting graphic that you put up. And it was this.And this is talking about the frightening change of testosterone levels of men and how it is affecting masculinity.And there are many things I guess this has done. But I mean, tell us about this, because it is a worldwide issue that is having an effect on the whole of humanity, really.Well, they're saying now that a 20 year old has the same levels of testosterone as a 70 year old would have had in 2020.Was it 2000? Yeah. In the 2000s. And obviously, there's a huge decrease in testosterone, natural testosterone levels that men are making and producing.And I think it comes down to a lot of chemicals that are around.Now, Alex Jones got called an absolute nutter when he said, look, there's these chemicals that are changing the sex of frogs, but it is, I think it's called atrazine.And it will sterilize a male frog, and in some of them will actually change their sex.So if this is in the water, and water just goes round, it gets recycled and purified, then this is going to be in our water.And we're going to be taking it in. And then there's other chemicals, like the BPAs in the plastic, in your plastic water bottles.And when the heat gets on a water bottle or the cold gets on a water bottle, it can make the BPAs come out, and things we store our food in, and microplastics, and all of this.So there were a whole load of chemicals that disrupt, I think it's the endocrine system, whatever it is that produces hormones.I think it's the endocrine system.But I've been saying this for years, that, you know, they keep talking about carbon being the end of the world, and the toxic thing, and that they're making carbon to be out the enemy. But actually, it's these toxins and poisons and chemicals that are entering our, you know, our air, our food supply and our water, that are really going to cause a, you know, a massive problem and lower sperm counts, lower testosterone levels. And I'm sure it probably has the same effect on women's oestrogen levels or, you know, egg production and what have you?Well, see, the push for fertilizers and also the push for GM foods that I guess food companies are looking for maximum productivity and maximum profit, but not really looking into the long term effect it would have on the population.
 
Now, what's really scary as well is when you see the experiments they're doing, kind of the transhuman experiments or trying to grow, something out of the womb and in a sack or, you know, they'll get two male mice and splice their DNA together to create something. It's like, do they even care that, you know, sperm counts are going down? Do they care that the fertility rates are going down? If they can clone things, if they they can breed things outside the human body completely unnaturally.I don't think, I think the answer is they don't.They don't care.That, you know, they're playing God. They put a white coat on and they think they're God and they can do whatever they want.
And of course, if only we had governments who are interested in the well-being of the population as opposed to, I guess, being in bed with these large companies in varying degrees, whether it's financial or contracts.But you wonder what is behind the scenes that would limit the government's desire to actually investigate some of these.Yeah, and you know what, there's probably so much money going around and backhanders being given to each other, little brown envelopes and cash here and there.And then also think about it, if the only way a human can reproduce is to have it done artificially, the amount of money that's going to be generated.And that seems to be all these people care about. When you look at Big Pharma, they're so motivated by money.They really couldn't give a damn about anybody.It's how much money can they make, their profitability, their first priority is their shareholders, not the patients.And they just want more customers and more customers. And here's another way.You have more customers because people can't even reproduce anymore, because all the chemicals from their other products are now reducing our fertility.
Oh, completely.let's just looking on, get our biotech babe, hello. Pat's Canyon, hello. Scotland the Brave.Let me... Gareth1965... Trevor and Chris who commented on so yeah it's fire in your, let us know how you're watching always good to and if I don't actually go through them now I can always go through them after but to drop your comments in. Let's move on to something completely different. Let's move on talking about that Russian propaganda. Let's look at this story in Sky News. NATO allies agree Ukraine will become a member. Jens Stoltenberg, and there he is, if you can just scroll it down, who's the Secretary General of NATO, has repeatedly promised that Ukraine would join NATO throughout the war. Meanwhile, the Kremlin maintains that preventing this from happening is one of the goals of its war in Ukraine. It does seem madness to do the one thing that Russia is scared about. I mean, what could go wrong?Well, this is what's mad to me. I mean, this is what Russia, this was what it was all about, wasn't it? This was supposed to be why Russia invaded in the first place, because they believed that Ukraine was going to become a NATO member, or they were getting too, you know, NATO was pushing too far east for their liking, and what have you. So, you know what, it doesn't surprise me and what but what drives me mad is you never hear anybody calling for peace. We just from day one we escalated it and anybody that wanted peace or de-escalation or any kind of negotiation was called again, name called a Putin sympathizer, Russian apologist, you know whatever it was.And I was one of them because I immediately said I was like come on you know, we just Biden's just pulled the troops out of Afghanistan in the worst way ever now he wants to go and stick them in Ukraine and send all this money over there. We know the Hunter Biden laptops, there's 10% for the big guy. It's just so much corruption. And again, it's the military industrial complex that win out of this. It's never going to be the innocent people. It's not the innocent people of Ukraine. It's not the innocent people of Russia that win. It's the military industrial complex, the leaders, and the people that gain financially out of it.It's like they don't even care about their people dying. And then also we saw in America, the whistle-blower who came out and showed that, I don't know who it was, the guy stood up in the Senate and lied and said, look, we've got this. We're doing well. We're winning.And it showed that seven Ukrainians were dying for every Russian soldier.So how is that winning? completely lied, but the whistle-blower then gets carted off to jail and there's absolutely, you know, no comeback on the people that were lying and doing this.Well, the leader of NATO, he says, 'let me be clear, Ukraine's rightful place is in the Euro-Atlantic family', he told a press conference. Ukraine's rightful place is in NATO. And then I heard Orban coming out from Hungary and saying, hmm, this may not happen. I guess it's good to have some other voices within it that aren't just simply going along with whatever they're told to do by the major superpowers.
 
And I think we've seen, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I think Macron said something about America's involvement as well.But we've seen this over and over again. And then all the propaganda machines come out.My mom was over at the weekend watching Sky News. And it was, please, turn it off.And obviously, it's all the bad things that have happened in Ukraine, supposedly by the Russians.All right, well, this is war. Where were you lot when we were trying to say, please, de-escalate, because there's going to be so many deaths. Do not prolong this.Try and find resolution. But, you know, you're not allowed to say find resolution.You have to say, come on, bomb them, like send them money and everything else.So it's nuts.They just do not care about innocent Ukrainians or Russians, either of them.
No, Ukraine is just a pawn in the middle of the West's attack on Russia, really.Again, moving on to something completely different. Bud Light. So Bud Light, I actually don't know if you, this could be one that you didn't repost possibly Leilani, but I wanted to cover it anyway. So Bud Light's marketing leadership undergoes shakeup. Wow. After Dylan Mulvaney's controversy, who is the bloke who thinks he is a woman. We can happily say that on, not on YouTube. But I saw some of the comments from her saying how wonderful this was about looking at a younger audience and now suddenly, well, she's now gone and been replaced by the global marketing VP, Todd Allen. So it looks as though the anger and frustration and boycott of Bud Light has worked.Yeah, well, you know what? When you actually see what she said about her own customers, she basically, she was so rude about them.I mean, these are Bud Light customers that have probably been loyal to the brand.She's just saying they're so out of touch and calling them kind of fratty, out of touch people.Like, is that what you tell your customers? Is that how you gain brand loyalty?So it doesn't surprise, I'm glad she's gone and it doesn't surprise me.But what's disgusting is that they even got Dylan Mulvaney on there because he's an insult, a complete insult to women.Like, when I was growing up, it's like the legally blonde stupidity, right?Bimbo-esque that I hated growing up as a little girl that made me actually a tomboy because, you know, I thought the stereotypical girly stuff.He takes it to another level. So to watch him is actually such an insult to women.It's like a complete and utter, it's woman face.And it's trying to emulate us in the most ridiculous, stupid caricature of a way.And it's embarrassing. And like, I would not want to be a friends with any woman that behaved like that.So for a guy to dress up and then expect us all to believe and use these pronouns and affirm that he's a woman when he's, he's obviously clearly got a mental illness. And he's a complete and utter attention seeker. I mean, I've seen him. I've seen him, I think he did 'The Price is Right' as a male.
 
Oh, it's so bad.
 
And I'm like, Oh, cringe, can anything be like, it can't be what and then he's doing same moves that he did when Nike sponsored him. And the whole thing is as well with that Bud Lightaffiliation promotion is that he's sat there talking about March Madness now if If you're getting paid,But please, do a bit of research. Find out what March Madness is and the fact it's basketball.Don't be a dim idiot and pretend like you're a girl and girls don't know what sports are and girls don't know that March Madness is basketball. Even when I moved to America and I heard, I was like, OK, what is this March Madness everybody's going out about?It took me two seconds because I look into things. You have to be a complete and utter imbecile.So the whole thing's insulting. And I'm so glad people boycotted it.Sorry, I've got a lot to say on Dylan Mulvaney, don't I?
I hadn't actually come across it before, and I watched some of the videos, and I thought, I do feel very disturbed.I feel as though someone has abused me in some way by watching some of these, which are, and again, as I've said on this regularly, that these people used to be able to go and seek treatment and get help for the conditions they have.And now they're celebrated. and whenever we celebrate people who have got some mental issues, no wonder the world isn't such a crazy place whenever that's not treated but celebrated.
So you're lucky that you didn't see them. I saw them early on.I saw his videos and it was girl, the worst thing was he was talking about it as like, this is day three of girlhood and he had pigtails, he had a little crop top, like a little netball skirt.Like cheerleader outfit.And I'm like, okay, first of all, you're like, you're sick. Like, are you trying to get an audience of young, like 12, 13 year old girls?Then he gets like some tampon sponsorship as well. So my calling, did he call it my female pouch or something?And I'm just like, my female pocket or my female....And I'm like, wow, I don't want some pervy fetishy dude talking about tampons.It's like, it's just disgusting. So, you know, and I've seen fridges full of Bud Light and all the other beers are gone. So I hope long may it continue.
I saw that in Morrison's the other and I didn't post, I meant to post it, but it was a whole massive, and it was, I have never seen beer as cheap as it was, and yet it was, wasn't moving. So yeah, I did have, Bud Light. No, no, I'm not, but like, no, no, no, I'm not buying that. So many people in the same situation.[30:19] Leaving Dylan far behind, as it's frustrating that we need to even talk about a poor person like that. This is Matt Walsh. Projam can you just double click on the Matt Walsh tweet actually and bring it up. This is obviously what we're talking about you cannot discuss on YouTube and this is Matt saying on the 20th of April. 'As I announced during my speech tonight YouTube have demonetized my show and threatened to ban us if we don't respect the pronouns of trans people. I'd rather take my show off YouTube, then cooperate with all that nonsense. So I'm starting Monday. You can watch my free...' And it's refreshing to see individuals like Matt Walsh, who I think is absolutely brilliant, but not bowing down to this censorship and saying, no, that is a bloke. I'm going to call him a bloke. But yeah, tell us about this Leilani.
 
So it's really good to see, and he's another person, just like Mark Steyn, who's like, you know what, I'm not going to be dictated to by some other people about what I can say when I believe it to be right. So why should he be bullied into saying a man is a woman and a woman is a man and using he and her for a her and her for a he? I mean, I won't do it. I absolutely refuse to do it. But I know also Ofcom have given out guidance on it as well, you know, and I think it came about when that Scottish male rapist, dressed as a woman,just because he had a wig, he had a wig on, the guy had a wig on, in leggings you can see his package, and a bit of lipstick, I think the heel, the boots had some heels on, and that was around the time when Ofcom gave out this guidance saying, you know, respect people's pronouns, then you see Richard Madeley on Breakfast TV apologizing profusely for calling Sam Smith he, not not they.And it's like, God, you're all, you know, you're kowtowing to the woke mob and it's not right.So I, you know, I really admire Matt Walsh for this. And he actually got hacked as well.It was really bad. He got his Twitter got hacked.And luckily he was able to get it back. But you know, what's transpired since then is that he's got to have 24 seven security because the woke mob was so after him.So all these people that say they're liberals are only liberal if you agree with their narrative because Matt Walsh has never actually said anything transphobic.Matt Walsh has simply asked, what is a woman?Matt Walsh has said, you know, if you've got a penis, you're a man, if you have a vagina, you're a woman.And I'm not going to use pronouns that you want me to use and affirm your delusions. You know, if to me, I don't see anything wrong with what you said. If you see, you know, a skinny lady, man, lady, whatever, who's anorexic, who thinks they're fat and wants to go on a diet, you don't affirm that by saying, oh, let me help you. Let me get you on this diet. You get them the help they need. And these men are not women. So...
 
Actually I signed up for Daily Wire for the year, simply because I wanted to watch What is a Woman by Matt Walsh.I love it because he lets others speak their stupidity. He puts a microphone and they just talk nonsense.It's great you don't have to speak over them, you don't have to coax them.People are dumb enough to actually spout this nonsense.
No, I'm the same. I got it. And I just, you know, the professor that's talking of gender studies, talking round in circles.And you're like, wow, you're really digging your own grave. And I saw the poor, the trans man, who's a biological woman, saying, look, I'll always be a biological woman.And they got me, and they coaxed me at this age, they've got to leave children alone.And she shows a scar that she's got on her arm from where they take off the skin and make a fake penis.She describes all of the medical issues she now faces as a trans man.And it actually brought tears to my eyes because you could see that she genuinely needed a different kind of help.And all they did is affirm a mental illness that she had at the time. And I know there's a couple of other, trans people I know, you know, the same way that have just said, look, I was in, I was in a really bad place. And they offered this solution instead of talking through my actual problems. And I thought this would be the solution. And I was in such a bad place. I kind of went along with it.And you know and then they get attacked so it's a horrible situation.
 
The trans lobby are, I've you when you when you talk about a range of stuff as as you do Leilani, you kind of wonder where the attacks the response will will come from and the names you'll get called. The trans lobby are, a level above the vitriol, the utter hatred and obviously what you're watching but, the response from them is, I mean, I think it's just possessed that they seem to have such an utter hatred and I'm sure you've seen that as well.
Absolutely, the real full-on trans activists are completely and utterly nuts.I mean, after that school shooting by the trans, you know, the biological female.People, the trans activists were coming out saying that she was misgendered because they called her a she and she should have been a he and they were dead, they dead named her because they should have used her male name and it's like hold on a minute, this woman, person, whatever has killed six people and this is what you come out with and then they were like um well you know you mess with our kids, will mess with yours, meaning, because I think it was in a state that had passed a bill that would not allow genital mutilation of children in that state, and also for children to go on hormone blockers, that apparently is messing with their children, so they have every right to attack others. So yeah, you know, I think the trans activists are some of the most dangerous. I mean, you look at the death threats J.K. Rowling's had.
I think it was Rachel Johnson, Boris Johnson's sister, that said that if she grew up being a tomboy and she was concerned, maybe she wouldn't say it now, but she was concerned that if she was born a few years later, that she would then be a male because she would be pumped full of hormones. And that's the fear that the madness that prevails today is injecting children and destroying them, sexually abusing them in a way where in asituation where kids grew out of things, they experience life, they explore and now we're taking knives and slicing them instead of just letting them grow up.
 
See I always think that, I always, because I was such a tomboy growing up, I mean I was, I thought everything girly was just so ridiculous. I wanted to play with boys toys. I love Transformers. I thought Barbie was ridiculous.I like Transformers and Action Man and I'd climb trees with the boys and I'd get dirty and I didn't want to put a skirt on.And I really feel like they would have, and I even got my school. It went on for a while because I think I was 17 when I got my school to start a rugby team for girls and Bournemouth actually had a female rugby team and I played rugby in it and like the local paper wrote about it but they would have said that, you know, they would have tried to convince me that I was born in the wrong body and you know maybe I was really a guy and it would have definitely it would have destroyed my life.Because you know I think I might have got to 18, 19. I was like oh actually I really like being a girl I actually don't want to be covered in bruises anymore like no more bruises stick with horses, I'll be a girly girl, um... Life's fun as a girl. You know, I got attention from guys and I was, you know, things went back to how they should have been for me. And some girls might not even grow out the tomboy stage. And that's also fine. For them to be a tomboy. It doesn't mean they should be a male and, and, you know, mutilate their genitals and, you know, cut off their breasts. And it's a social contagion as well.
Oh it is, it is. Let's move, End Wokeness is one of the Twitter handles that I've really enjoyed.ProJam, I'm going to play that, it's just 30 seconds long. This is a large mob looting an LA gas station and the police couldn't intervene.We'll talk about what the Leilani said about that in a moment. Do you want to play that?
 
(Video plays)'A Video into our newsroom shows hundreds of people crowding in ARCO near central and Alondra.After smashing the door, dozens of looters flooded into the store, grabbing anything they could. LA Sheriff's deputies, tell us there were thousands of dollars worth of merchandise stolen and a thousand more in damages, this as deputies deal with numerous street takeovers in the city, deputies say they couldn't intervene because of safety concerns as they were very outnumbered. Only one an arrest was made last night.'So they couldn't intervene out of safety. I thought the police would just get involved and put themselves in harm's way, but obviously not. So yeah, the LA police couldn't intervene.You know, what worries me is that this could be possibly done on purpose.Well, first of all, you know, that guy was in the camera, so we can arrest that guy.Surely, they can arrest the guy whose face was there.But what worries me is they're letting this happen, and then what they will then do is say, look, we need to use facial recognition more, because this is going to happen.Or what we need is we need the barriers that go outside the storefronts that you have to swipe to get into, which I've seen.I think there's one on Kensington High Street. I think it's the Amazon store.You have to show your ID to get in.And I saw on Twitter, there was a couple of Whole Foods somewhere in New York where you have to swipe your thing to get in.So this could end up being the gateway into having cameras everywhere, facial recognition everywhere, under the auspices of safety for ourselves.You swipe in to go in, and then you think, well, I'm not going to be one of these looters, so it doesn't matter.But then, next thing, when it's like, hey, you're not allowed to go within a three mile radius of your house, that's then when they arrest you as well.You know, like we saw with COVID, oh, you can't go into this zone, you can't travel out your zones, because I don't know, there's probably people here from other countries, but in England, you had, what was it?Like red, yellow, or green, or something, where if there was more COVID cases in one area, you were probably red and you couldn't go to the next county or drive across the line. So, that's where,you know, in that totalitarian state, that is what it could then be used for. You know, they put it in to stop these people looting in, you know, in mass. But then next time there's a lockdown. It's like, oh yeah, you know, Leilani's broken it again. She's gone over to Derbyshire from Staffordshire, naughty girl. Let's stick her, you know, slap her with a thousand quid fine.
Yeah, because it doesn't, obviously we've seen this in more Democrat controlled, I mean in California's where you can steal a thousand dollars and it's fine. But if you're a shop owner, for you to face that and the police not to turn up, and you're right, it has to be, it doesn't make sense to allow that to happen, so it has to be to push towards something else. That's the only sensible kind of read of what we're seeing.
Because you would think, wouldn't you, that if someone made a 911 call for that, that they'd send out, you know, a big team of policemen, maybe it's America, they've all got guns.Something would happen that, you know, they could control the situation. So if they're not controlling it, then that kind of it has to be, you know, part of the plan. And it's just in California just turned into a complete and utter mess. Anyway, like you said, you can go in, you can you see it all the time on, you know, on social media, the way people go in, and they just put, you know, goods in a bag because they know they can steal up to 1000 quid and nothing's going to happen. And then they literally walk out.You know, I try to post, not to post them because I don't want people to see how easy it is.And you know, it kind of catch on through, you know through sharing it and posting it.But basically that's what happens all over California.And then so many shops have got to close down It's just no point in them trying to do business with it happening, but I can see that that's going to be the way forward.They'll say, well, you know, we're not going to send the police out, but what you can do is you can have these barriers and we'll have facial recognition everywhere, but then it leads to,leads to other things when they start abusing the powers like, you know, we've seen them do.
I think my advice would be to any shop owner, if that happens, when you phone the police, Do let the police know you've been misgendered. I think that's the only way you'll get the police back. And then they'll come out with an armed support unit.
Oh, million percent! But a SWAT team will be there, I tell you, in a second.
That's the only way round it. This is Elon Musk, who is an interesting character in many ways, but, this was an interview he gave to Tucker Carlson. Of course, he's been discussing all different things. We may not, we'll see if we can watch it all, but talking about Mark Zuckerberg, who, obviously the founder and ex-owner of Twitter, gave 400 million in the last election support off at the Democrat party, ProJam. Can you just play that clip there?(Video plays)
'The goal of new Twitter is to be as fair and even-handed as possible, so not favouring any political ideology, but just being fair at all.Why doesn't Facebook do this? I know that Zuckerberg has said, and I take him at face value, that he... Well, I do actually in this way, that he is a kind of old-fashioned liberal who doesn't like to censor, he has, but he, you know, like, why wouldn't a company like that take the stand that you have taken, which is pretty rooted in American traditional political custom, you know, for free speech?My understanding is that Zuckerberg spent $400 million in the last election, nominally in a get-out-the-vote campaign, but really fundamentally in support of Democrats.Is that accurate or not accurate? That is accurate. Does that sound unbiased to you? No, it doesn't.'We could listen to it more and I'd encourage people to watch the full interview and he's been giving different interviews around and setting aside, I know we will both have issues with a lot of stuff that Musk may stand for, especially the transhuman stuff. I think we are loving what he is doing with Twitter and calling out things like that. And in regards to Twitter, he seems to be straight up, wants to do something positive for that. And I guess we should all be applauding that, even though we may have issues with some other areas of his activities.
 
See, yeah, that's the thing. It's like you don't have to agree 100% with everything that everyone does or everyone says. But, you know, I do applaud him for everything that he's doing and saying about Twitter right now, and he's exposed the corruption that's been going on, the blatant, you know, partnerships with the government and the CIA, or, you know, is it the FBI? And, and the censorship, and literally putting people's names down and saying these people can't speak, and for whatever, whatever reason it was, because they were against the narrative. And, you know, I'm sure they would have done it with climate change next too. I'm sure they would have done it with the Russia-Ukraine situation had he not bought it.To me, I wish, you know, Zuckerberg is just so full of it, because like he says, he gave up so much money. And I know for a fact, whatever's happened with Twitter, for sure has happened with Facebook and Instagram. I know that I've been thrown off Instagram. I cannot put my full name on Instagram anywhere. I can't set up a new account. I've had someone within Instagram say to me, gosh, I've never tried to get my account back for me. So I've actually never seen this before.You know, I didn't have to pay him anything. He's like, you can pay me if I can get your account back. He's like, I cannot get your account back. I don't want anything, but I've tried, but I haven't seen this before. You are properly blacklisted. So I am actually...
What did you say? What was so bad?
Well, I was against, I was talking about vaccine injuries. I was showing how easy it was to walk into shops without a mask. I was, you know, when we couldn't sit on furniture, because in the UK, you were not allowed to sit on outdoor furniture or drink a hot drink outside because that was classed as a picnic. I was posting pictures of myself sitting on park benches with a cup of coffee with my sister laughing at the stupidity and I think I had a rant about the word birthing parent and I think I said I'm sorry but you know there are mothers out there who have adopted children who haven't given birth but they'll be more of a mother than a mentally ill person who thinks they are a male. I think I said, so there was a few things, but anyway, I got properly thrown off. You can actually follow me on Instagram now under my last half, of my first name. So Leilani Dowd, I'm on it as that, but I cannot put my full name in my profile anything. So if you were to type in my name, you wouldn't be able to find me. But yeah, anyway, my point being that whatever censorship has been going on and collusion with the government that happened with Twitter prior to Elon, that has most definitely happened with Facebook and Instagram, in my opinion.And, you know, Zuckerberg isn't repairing any of it like Elon is, he's not letting people back on, he's not letting people have their old accounts back.You know, he's just, yeah, Facebook and Instagram were a joke as far as that's concerned.And you're not ever gonna be able to speak against the narrative on them.
Completely. Let's let's finish off with something that the UK are getting tomorrow, actually Florida already got, but this is that the government are going to send an alarm to you, an alert, a high-pitched alarm at 3 p.m. I believe on Sunday and this is a test so they can warn you if, well I was talking about about this with my older son.And he would say, well, you know, if maybe there's something happening, what?What, in London, is it gonna be an earthquake? Maybe we're on a volcano?Or might there be an alien attack? So what, well, but yeah, the government are gonna alert us all at 3 p.m.Tell us about this and what your advice is to the viewers.Well, I've turned mine off. Look, so I used to live in Los Angeles and there were wildfires, okay?So you might want an alert for a wildfire. The problem is that by the time you hear about the wildfire, they've already knocked out the electricity pylons. It's knocked out your phone anyway.So you're never going to get the alert. You're struggling. You've got no Wi-Fi.The electricity's gone if you live in a remote area.And the lines are down. So to rely on it would be ridiculous anyway.And probably the same if there was a big volcano or something, unless you had a lot of time to prepare, in which case, you know, it would be all over the news or social media or something like that.But what's scary as well is there's people that might have, you know, apparently they say that abused women or abused children might have a secret phone to get help.And obviously these phones are going to be bleeping everywhere at 3pm. So, you know, it's going to be quite distracting. I don't know if my mum even knows, I couldn't be bothered to tell her, she wouldn't switch it off anyway, but she'll have a like heart attack if it starts bleeping while she's driving along in the car. So it's, and I think personally, they want to see what phones are on, what phones are off, what, who's compliant with the government, who's not. And anyway, I'm turning mine off. I don't need it. I've seen a lot of the headlines. I saw a news headline just weeks saying the UK is going to bake in 20 degree weather. I literally saw that. 20 degree weather to people in America or something is 68 degrees. And it's like maybe one degree warmer than I have my heating on at the winter. So it's like, it's a joke. I don't want alerts like that.I don't want those headlines. I don't want an alert saying it's a little bit windy outside because, you know, it's England. I've survived, you know, 46 years.
This is the conversation I was having. Well, I've survived for 46 years.I've never felt the need for the Prime Minister to send me a message at any time. And I think I probably can cope for the next however many years without the Prime Minister alerting me. So, yeah.Yeah, I mean, if Russia's going to send a nuke over because he's sick of the way we've handled everything, where are you going to hide from that anyway?
Three minutes to an impending nuclear attack. Enjoy your last three minutes.
Yeah, exactly. And that's about as much as it's going to say, I'd rather not know, to be quite honest, I'd rather be completely oblivious. But you know, that's not going to happen anyway.So that was another headline that The Telegraph trying to scare people with.
They were. And obviously people can, you put up the screenshot there, people can find that on your Twitter, going through if you've Android or iPhone and how to turn it off, go into notifications and turn that off. I think, did you see the headline I saw in Florida, I think yesterday, they also have a similar system and it went off by mistake at 4.30, 4.35am. So everyone in the whole of Florida got woken up by their phone blasting at them and oh it was a little mistake.
That's what I mean, it's like they're incompetent aren't they, absolutely incompetent.I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't want them on my phone, not the way they were, they're scared, like everybody get in, you're not allowed to, you've got a mask up today, put your mask, full face on you, mouth and nose, you know, who knows what alerts they'll try and send us.Leilani, thank you so much for joining us today. Let me just bring this, obviously this is Mark Steyn's website, steynonline.com and there you are on the Mark Stein Show. What's the time again on Wednesdays?
8pm on Wednesdays.
 
8pm UK time?
 
Yes, yeah UK time. And I'm glad you got the website right because there was me saying it as well. I'm like, oh gosh, I work for him and I haven't even got it right. Yeah, steynonline.com.I get confused because his Twitter's Mark Steyn online.
 
I still could never spell his surname, but no one can ever spell my surname. So that's fine.No issues with that. Thank you so much for coming on and thank you to our viewers for tuning in or if you're listening later on a Podbean or any podcasting apps, you listen on the go.I hope you enjoy the conversation on audio. So I wish our viewers and listeners a wonderful rest of your Saturday.I hope you spare yourself that 3pm siren.But if not, I hope it, I don't know, alerts you to something that may be happening in your area at three o'clock.For me, it won't be an earthquake volcano. It could be an alien attack.It could be a nuclear missile.So we may not be with you on Monday, who knows. But if you're joining us on Monday, we will have, who do we have, James Harvey from Students Against Fascism.He'll be joining us on Monday, talking about what it is to be a conservative student these days, that would be many decades ago for me, and what it is like to have strong non-woke opinions, so tune in on Monday for James. And on that, good night to you all, and we'll see you on Monday.

Dave Walsh - The Change in Energy Geopolitics and the Looming Green Energy Crisis

Energy is not something we have covered before and so it is an honour to have Dave Walsh join us to unpack this huge topic. Dave is known as the 'Energy Guru', with a lifetime in the industry and his status as Steve Bannon's go to man on 'War Room: Pandemic' for energy makes him so well positioned to explain how this will negatively impact our lives. We have seen a three fold increase in the cost of energy which has had a knock on effect on food items, manufacturing and household bills. Dave gives us a better understanding to what lies behind these increases and why we are seeing a geopolitical change in energy control from West to East. We also unpack the dangerous rise of the green push to renewables which simply does not work and will lead to a dystopian collapse in our societies as energy becomes the preserves of the rich and powerful.Dave Walsh was appointed President and Chief Executive Officer of Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems Americas, Inc. (MHPSA) in April 2014, with responsibility for the Western Hemisphere electric power generation business of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Hitachi Ltd. of Japan. Mr. Walsh was the first non-Japanese corporate officer of MHPSA’s parent company, Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems, Ltd., in Japan. He was also the first American Board member of the America’s company, MHPSA. Mr. Walsh retired from Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems in 2016, now serving as an advisor to various clients in the energy industry.Prior to his appointment as President & CEO at MHPSA, Dave had been Executive Vice President of Sales & Marketing, Projects and Services. He joined the company in 2001, and initially established the service and manufacturing business for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in the Western Hemisphere.Previously, Dave had been a senior executive at Westinghouse Electric Corporation in both power generation and industrial service roles as General Manager and Chairman of the Westinghouse global industrial and power generation service subsidiaries, with primary operations located in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Poland, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore, Thailand and Australia. He later became the senior executive and Vice Chairman responsible for the Westinghouse Electric power joint ventures in China, in partnership with the Shanghai Municipal Government and with the Chinese Ministry of Electric Power.Dave received his BS Commerce degree from The University of Virginia, and did Graduate Study in Finance at The University of Pittsburgh and at Northwestern University.He was an Enterprise Florida Board Member, and has previously been a Board Member of the Seminole County Foundation for Public Education, and served on the Seminole State College of Florida Foundation Board. Dave has also been appointed Honorary Consul Japan, Orlando, by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In 2016, Governor Scott appointed Mr. Walsh to the University of Central Florida Board of Trustees with a term ending January 2021.Dave and his wife Terri reside in the Central Florida area.Follow Dave on social media.... GETTR https://gettr.com/user/davewalshenergyTRUTH https://truthsocial.com/@davewalshenergy Interview recorded 17.4.23
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(Peter)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Dave Walsh, who, of course, you will know from The War Room, anyone who is Steve Bannon's go-to man on an issue is well worth having. And we delve into energy. He's an energy consultant, former president of Mitsubishi Power Systems, along with many other accolades, and he has lived and breathed energy all his life. And we delve into this, a topic that we haven't actually touched on before, I was quite surprised, but we start by looking at actually the cost of energy. It's now 30% of GDP up from 4% traditionally, originally over the last 100 years. So massive changes in the cost of energy, why that is happening. Look at some of the anomalies in the States of energy costs, and then we go into looking at renewable energy, green energy, net zero, and the push towards having electric vehicles and the impact that will have on the US. I think the call was to raise it from 5% to 67% in 10 years. Is the world able to charge all these new electric vehicles? So Dave goes into that and talks about the impact on infrastructure, on costs, and whether the world.Can cope with that. We also discussed the change in the geopolitical change, I guess, from the West, from the US, from Europe, over to China, India, Turkey, Japan, and they're the ones now buying Russian oil and gas. The West have embargoed and we so freeze Europe just so other countries can buy oil and gas at a lower price. So we talk about that change in, I guess, power and whether that leaves the US and Europe actually toothless in regards to energy productivity and energy policies. So Dave Walsh is the person who can go into this and unpack this and I'm sure you'll enjoy his analysis of all of these areas in terms of energy.
Dave Walsh, thank you so much for joining us today on Hearts of Oak.
 
(Dave Walsh)Good to be with you, Peter.
Good, it was good to bump into you at CPAC. Obviously, the viewers will know you from your many times on War Room as someone who unpacks energy issues and something that we've never gone into before so I'm looking forward to having your wisdom with us unpacking that.Obviously, people can find you @DaveWalshEnergy is your handle.That's on GETTR. Anywhere else you're on?Dave Walsh Energy. Truth Social on the same handle. Same handle on Truth Social.Dave Walsh Energy on Truth Social as well.
Okay, so people can find you on GETTR or on Truth. And obviously, Dave, you're an energy consultant and former president of Mitsubishi Power Systems, along with many other accolades to your name.But if we can jump in and look at, as I said, energy is not something we've touched on before, but I've always enjoyed your many pieces on War Room.And I think I remember reading a headline middle of last year that said global energy spending set to hit 13 trillion in 2022.I think that was 13% of global GDP. I remember reading another thing talking about traditionally energy has been like over the last 100 years, maybe 4% of GDP, which seems to be it's increased in cost and I guess how important it is. But do you want to just let us know why should those figures are probably out of the ballpark for most people. Do you just want to set the scene on why I guess we should be interested and see energy as an important aspect.Well, over a hundred year period, the concentrated use of energy, fossil fuels, nuclear power in the main has been endemic to just monstrous reduction in human labour necessary to get through life.I've got maybe four or five data points in that. You go back already by 1870, the coal burn in Britain replaced caloric intake of nearly nearly 850 million laborers.And also already by then, the use of coal for steam powered engines displaced 6 million horses.So it was up to 1870.But if you look at the global population from the birth of 1750 to 2009.Global population grew by a factor of eight from 1000 AD to 1750, 750 years, by a factor of only three.And that largely related to the lack of fossil fuels, nuclear power, and modern means of doing work, human activity.And in the US, for example, in 1860, half of the population was involved in agricultural endeavours.Today, it's only 3%.Western Europe is the same. Actually, Holland leads the world, and well, led the world until we're in this present crisis.Farming productivity per person, Holland leads the way until we're gonna take farms away from families that were hard at there, unfortunately.But if you go back like here in 1875, 74% of disposable income was spent on food, shelter and clothing, now it's like 13%.So the, and if you want less energy concentration value in 1900, per capita income globally was about $1,500. By 2010, about $8,000 had expanded by 5.3 times.Across the whole time from the birth of Christ to 1900, per capita income grew around the world by a factor of three times.And that was an entire period with basically wood burning and the beginning of the use of coal for energy.So the use of fossil fuels, which has emerged really largely since about 1860, has really, really escalated the global population, global wealth, and global food production extensively. And in another area, if you look at places like Ethiopia, the concentration of labour per acre is still like 30 times more than Holland, the UK, or here, because of the lack of fossil fuels in farming machinery and the lack of advanced fertilizers, ammonia-based and nitrogen fertilizers that come from natural gas. So no, energy utilization has propelled mankind massively, in the last 100 years. Now, there are some unusual things happening with cost in the last 10 or 15 years that we should discuss that really aren't good for productivity, human productivity.And do you want to, because we've seen, I mean, we'll touch on that. And what are my thoughts looking at the US is, having been the US quite a bit in the last year and being on the East Coast and West Coast, and you look at the poor people on the West Coast, California paying probably double what the East Coast are paying over in Florida or Texas. That's an anomaly and that probably feeds into that kind of conversation about maybe some of the issues which are increasing the cost of energy, I guess, more or less exponentially.
Well, yeah, the US a little bit curious. Energy policy here is really a mixed thing. It's more dominated by the states and state policies, state governments, state policies. It's physically a huge place. These states tend to be, most of them, very large physically. So the concentration of electricity generation tends to be a state by state thing, given the size, but given the way the government works, the state public service commission, usually appointed by the governor, maybe approved by the state Senate, mainly directs the energy policy and costs in various states. So, you've pointed out California in extreme, they're typically the fourth or fifth highest, energy cost state in the country when it comes to electricity. Florida's actually about in the middle. But just give you an idea of the disparity that the top 10 cost states in the US have electricity costs of about $0.27 per kilowatt hour. The top 10 cost states, the lowest 10 cost states about 10.5 cents a kilowatt hour. So the top 10 states are 2.6 times more costly, on electricity. And if you look, the two major characteristics of the best 10 or lowest cost are the fact that they tend to be 27% net exporters of electricity to other states.The states with the highest cost tend to be 16% net importers of electricity because over the years, again, places like California, now increasingly New York, Hawaii, and the high cost states have really become high cost because of abandonment of initially nuclear power, and then coal power, and now even in California, increasingly combined cycle natural gas power, which environmentally is very clean and very efficient.They've begun to abandon that as well. So they get, what they wind up doing is there really is no near-term displacement for those sources.So they wind up becoming, Steve Bannon would say, beggars of their neighbours or importers of electricity from neighbouring states.And the state public service commission in a given state doesn't control the cost of what happens in other states.So they become victimized by whatever, specifically California, whatever Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, utilities decide to charge them per year is what they pay.Because that state, for example, a hideous example, 37% of their electricity is imported.As over time, they've stopped building nuclear plants, they've closed down coal plants, now they've stopped building advanced combined cycle plants. California imports 37% of its electricity.So really the state government has virtually no control over the cost of that, nor what it consists of.So that becomes a huge factor in why the costs are so high.New York is headed the same way. They just announced a decree there that within 10 years they're going to be 70% renewable.That's going to cause, by my calculations, they're now about 23% renewable because in the West there, Niagara Falls does produce a fair amount of their electricity.But all this delta from 23% to 70 is going to be wind and solar.That's going to mean a 27% electricity shortage in New York.Because wind and solar only operate respectively, wind about 38% of the time onshore, offshore about 42% of the time that it runs. Solar up there is about a four-hour-a-day thing.It's getting pretty far north, not quite as far north as you are, but up where New York is, solar is about a four-hour-a-day effective resource, 20 hours a day. You have no value from Therefore, if New York makes that shift in 10 years, it's going to have a 27% shortage of electricity.They're already an importer of 13% of their electricity already because of these types of policies.Costs there are already the third highest, fourth highest in the country.They're going to escalate radically with these kinds of policies.So it's very unique. It is kind of unique to each state and the politics of each state and whether they're, run by a more conservative government or run by blue democratic governments.And if I look at the 10 highest cost states, eight of them are consistently run by democratic governments.So-
 
We obviously have the same issue in Europe, where fuel is taxed horrendously high.And at the fuel pump in the UK, it's probably around 75% tax, probably, with VAT and then fuel duty.And I guess that Democrat-controlled states are probably going the same way as Europe.Well, yeah, I mean the Democrat-controlled ones, the first bizarre set of decisions, many of them made, like California, more lately New York, the states of New England, the abandonment of allowing fossil fuel plants in those states to be there at all.California went down this road in the late 80s. Nuclear before that, they abandoned.Now gas-fired plants. New England, New York has been the same. Fracking in this country is basically illegal, New York and North.So while there are tremendous natural gas resources up there, they've elected not to harvest them.And you wind up with massive importation of electricity from Canada, a lot of hydro, and now growingly from Pennsylvania and Ohio that do have heavy, heavy natural gas resources.Well, those states in New England, New York, for example, have elected to not have power plants any longer, excepting for solar and wind, which are very, very low, very low density energy resources.Again, I'll go to the reciprocal.Solar in those markets is not there for you 86% of the time.It doesn't produce electricity. Wind if offshore, 58% of the time, doesn't produce electricity.And also, by the way, the costs of installing that stuff, far from free, are massively expensive.Offshore wind, for example, New York's on a big binge for offshore wind, is 11 times more costly than the capex of building a combined cycle plant.11 times more costly. The cost of the transmission from 20 miles out in the sea to inland, plus the towers, plus the huge wind turbines that are on them now, you're talking 11x the capital cost.Stuff is far from free, it's actually far more expensive.And the life cycle cost of offshore wind is about three and a half times more costly than, the whole life cycle cost with fuel of advanced combined cycle natural gas power plants.So there's a myth that this stuff is free because it's nature based as far from it is far more expensive when you factor in the long time periods that it's not usable it doesn't produce anything.Let me, I want to get in more on the renewable side but for the us as an entity I think you put a recent post saying that all natural gas related products are fifteen percent of all us exports and then of course you have what the country uses itself. So energy is a massive industry, the US is sitting on so much reserves and yet the US energy plan seems to be a mess. I mean, tell us about that because the US should be the, I guess, one of the big producers and suppliers and yet, well of course, I guess with the Democrats, they're trying to punish themselves and stop that.But yeah, explain some of that.
Well, the mess is to the extent the federal government controls energy supply, they do it here.The Democrats have attempted to do it through the Environmental Protection Agency, has been their main weapon to weaponize against fossil fuels and before now against nuclear power.But now aided and abetted by the Securities and Exchange Commission on all this ESG mantra of, investing in renewables is a great thing, investing in carbon fuel sources should be penalized, and by incentive policies that have only the last 15 years incented investments in renewables and not incented any investment or new investment in nuclear power or in fossil fuels.So you've had this tremendous skewing of investment to the extent the federal government can be influential.That's how they've done it, through the EPA, with punitive measures to make emissions of anything fossil fuel enormously punitive, driving the cost way, way up of operating a coal plant or a gas turbine-fired plant.And then the incentive structure they put in place on taxes to make renewables, you, And I give them a huge advantage financially with massive incentives.So that's driven policies. And this administration, all of its executive cabinet-level leadership, from the SEC to the Securities Exchange Commission, the Fed, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, all on the same, the Department of Energy head, Jen Granholm, we're going to eliminate the use of fossil fuels in this country, every single one of them. It's in their mantra consistently given, consistently articulated.So this great energy resource here is, and this, unfortunately, I've got a story about the UK as our model.We're going to follow the same. If you listen to these guys, we're going to follow the same model.We're going to abolish the use and production of fossil fuels.It's a complete disaster.The US has a huge balance of trade negative. We're a net importer of about a trillion of goods and services.China leads the way as the exporter here in the balance trade deficit we have.But it's been helped heavily the last 15 years with the emerged massive growth of natural gas and oil exports from the US. We're now like $315 billion.We're a net exporter of oil and gas at 15% of our exports.To the extent we export about $2 trillion a year of goods and services, 15% of it plus is now gas and oil.So that's a huge, huge thing with respect to the currency being stable and the budget being, it's not being balanced here, but any effort to balance the federal taxation budget.It's largely dependent on the tax receipts coming from oil and gas, and these folks on the left running the government want to abandon that as rapidly as possible.And there's no replacement for it, not even on the near term nor intermediate term.You know, displacing fossil fuels with the nature-based part-time renewables is just, mathematically doesn't work.And solar, even here in Florida, solar does not work 82% of the time.If you take a given 8,700 hour power generation year, the sunshine is effective here.I mean, right now it's noon, it's nearly dark here.From this time of the year through September, very common thing by about 11 o'clock through four, you've got thunderstorms, you've got dark clouds, you've got no solar resource, not to mention the night.Night, really it's effective between about nine and four on a good day.So even here, it's about an 18% of the time thing. In much of the Northeast and up in the Midwest, it's a four-hour a day thing.So it can't be the solution. When you're talking about that kind of energy deficit, wind, even offshore where it's most productive is not there for you to produce electricity 58% of the time.So I know in the North Sea and UK, talking about the massive offshore wind, well, I'm going to say in the vernacular here, good luck the other 58% of the time, especially when you factor in the cost of installing that against the minimal energy supply.You're talking about driving the cost of energy up to human beings by factors of five and six times.I mean, it sounds great, but it's not free. It's far from it, far more costly.
Well, I'll touch on that. Well, actually, when even driving through parts of the English countryside, you see whole fields covered with solar panels now.The UK isn't really the brightest or sunniest or warmest country.And that seems madness, because again, that takes away agricultural land, which is more and more for premium and bigger demand as a population grows. But that's,it's not something which we discuss back and forth, but it's another part of it, you mentioned in Holland, that I guess clash between energy and agriculture, between feeding people and actually turning on the lights. And it's a curious clash that we're having, not only with fields being covered over, but also with farmers being told they need to farm less and feed people less because it's bad for the environment.Well, I'll go back to the UK just quickly. My wife and I were there a couple times the last year or so, and we're up by the Stonehenge. Within eight miles of there, eight kilometres, there's a solar farm. It's, the day we were there, it's the winds howling 30 miles per hour, and it's probably, maybe it was 10 C, but there was no sunshine. And I have to know, having been there many, many times, that this must be a three and a half hour day. And I think that is the typical Germany, UK, the same. Solar is about a three and a half hour a day thing, on average, across the year. It's just, I mean, it's utterly, horrendously misspent money.Now, the Holland thing, this is again, the untold story of fossil fuels. Ammonia fertilizers, nitrogen-based fertilizers in the world have promoted farming productivity across most products, wheat, corn, soybeans, potatoes, by a factor of three to four times per acre over the last 50 to 60 years in the world.And a couple of things have really pushed that productivity forward, and they are nitrogen and ammonia-based fertilizers, which are now deemed to be sinful because their origin is natural gas.So that's being used by the left to consciously diminish food supply and make it far more a challenge.I mean, the other factor has been mechanized farming machinery, which is all diesel and gas powered, has been the second thing, but behind ammonia and nitrogen-based fertilizers.I mean, just to give an example, the farming productivity, again, I think I might have mentioned, this country, Holland, UK, very high on wheat production per acre, is 30 times more productive in human terms than Ethiopia.For example, Ethiopia still has 74% of its population involved in farming.In the UK, in the US, it's about 3%. To give you an idea of the benefit of fossil fuels delivered in fertilizers and in theproduction equipment, heavy machinery, tractors, et cetera, harvesters to make farming cost-effective for allow massive food supply for billions of people.And now we're resisting this through wanting to diminish and end ammonia and nitrogen-based fertilizers.It's, and the use of gas-powered and diesel-powered farming machinery.This is insanity.When you're talking about sustaining 7.2 billion people, This is just not, it is not a sustainable thing, to borrow one of their phrases.It's the opposite, the polar opposite of that.And of course when we talk about those solar panels, actually we're talking about wind farms, the UK building all those wind farms and none of it actually built in the UK, so there's no manufacturing benefit, but then the solar panels, that seems to all be Chinese built and it seems as though the world, I guess on the left, the Democrats over there, many parts of Europe are rushing to award their control of their energy system over to China. And that's not a conversation I don't think the public has really had. I guess the same for the states.Well, our, I'll say collectively, our Western G7 leadership just convened over the weekend in Sapporo, yours and ours, abandoning our shores to have meetings about our sovereign countries in Japan about CO2.And what they've concluded, they collectively have signed up with each other, again, outside of the realm of where our voters are over in Japan.They've reached one of these agreements to develop collectively across the G7 a million thousand gigawatts of additional solar by 2030.This would be $670 billion investment by the G7 nations in added solar resources, of which, based on the current fact that 85% of thin film PV panels come from China, would be about a $580 billion spend in China between now and 2030 by our new G7 government, putting it that way. Having their meetings in, not here at home, nor in the UK, but in other places where these guys fly to convene and make these brilliant decisions.And then another half a million or 500 gigawatts of offshore wind, which is, again, offshore wind is 11 times more costly in capex than building a conventional combined cycle plant of the type my company built in my day at Damhead, Salt End, in I think Raglan Road in Dublin.In Spain, we built seven or eight combined cycle plants. The cost of those is one-eleventh of an offshore wind farm when you factor the 58% of the time that that offshore wind farm isn't going to produce anything for you.And then compounded with the construction cost, which is huge.That even then, the all-in life cycle cost, that the present cost of natural gas, which has now fallen quite a bit, is still four times more than a combined cycle plan, even accounting for the gas use.So we're talking about stuff that is way, way not cheaper, but is far more expensive and creates a lack of access of our citizenry in the UK and here to energy, which is way in the interest of the Chinese.Most of the supply of utility scale batteries, and as I mentioned, the solar panels, comes from there.So we're taking a dependence. We had a marvellous self-dependence in the UK on North Sea oil, which has declined by 70%, not because it's not there, but because of political pressure to go and get it.You know Norway has not participated in ceding to that pressure, doing great financially, a heavy importer to the UK.The oil's still out there, but on our side of that pond, we've decided let's not pursue it.70% down. The US, since the election of Biden has now been about a million two barrels a day deficit of oil production, because of all the restrictions on federal land. So we've shifted over to this ideation of displacing that with dependence on China, solar panels and batteries. I mean, this is lunacy. I meanenergy strategy is at the core of national defence, whether it's Western Europe or here, at the core of a sustainable lifestyle for our people.And we're handing self-sufficiency that we enjoyed over to, programmatically over to China, who are an enemy.They're aligned with Russia on this Ukraine activity that they've been from day one.There's no secret about that, but our media very reluctant to actually acknowledge that, but they are.And then this, the boycott that we've got in Western Europe on buying their oil within six weeks was almost entirely displaced with procurement from Turkey, India, and China, from Russia.So that hasn't worked out well for us. We've actually forced China and Russia together, which strategically is just a horrendous set of decisions pushed by more by this government than the Western European government, but collectively.We've created an energy disaster in the outcomes of this in a very short time.
Well, that's really interesting watching that and the shift with the West, actually Europe wanting to freeze after building a Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 into Russia and then wanting to turn that off and wondering why people are angry that the cost of electricity has soared.And yet, as you said, the other side is China, India, especially and then into Turkey and elsewhere.And Japan, I think as well, actually they're happy to buy Russian oil and gas, and they've filled that gap.So it's strange because that's a power shift, I guess, away from Europe and the US.And it really leaves them toothless in terms of energy control.No, it does. The West's conscious decision to abdicate self-sufficiency and self-reliance, I would complain about the UK.We're on exactly the same page here now by the constant outcries of this government to abandon fossil fuels as rapidly as possible, going down the same path, creates a massive dependence now on China.Years before was the Middle East, before North Sea oil was discovered in abundance and harvested, before the fracking boom here, we were unfortunately heavily dependent on OPEC, which was a disaster.And now we're making them relevant once again in their alliance, first with Russia, when the kingdom sought out Russia right about the moment of the Biden inauguration,January of 21, we had the alliance begin building of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with Russia, on collective decisions on production to drive prices up, very successfully done all through 2021 and early 2022 before the invasion that we've suffered from.Now we've forced China together with Russia based on the boycott and our handling of that situation and to our horrendous detriment, energy costs here are going through the roof, as we attempt to displace, do something that's not, it's mathematically not doable.You can't displace fossil fuel use with four hour a day solar.And if on land, nine hour a day, if on sea, 10 hour a day wind.You mathematically can't do it because also those resources are regionalized in the large area. it's the same time of day that you have them.I mean, like, for example, Florida, you could put, you know, everyone thinks it's so sunny here, you could populate every square inch of Florida with solar panels, and you'd still be at 19.6 hours a day, have nothing, because it's the same moments. It's only the same, night is the same.It's not very big, east to west, night is the same time. So up till nine in the morning, you've got nothing. And after 4.30 in the afternoon, you've got nothing, which is the California issue because their peak in addition to this 38 percent uh importation of energy electricity a lot of what they use is solar even from Arizona, New Mexico, Southern Cal, I think about 35 percent of their power supply imported and made in state is renewable, and it kind of comes to an end at 4.30. Their peak power need begins at 4.30 when everyone gets home, gets off the freeways in LA, San Diego, and turn up the air conditioning, begin to use the appliances, cook, whatever, until 10 at night.That's the peak demand. Well, that's when the solar ends. That's like 30% of their electricity, at least what they have, which they're in shortage of to begin with.So you've got an intractable mathematical issue. And now we're talking about mandating EVs out there by 2035, well, now across the country, which would elevate here national electricity supply by 25%.If you got to 75% EV adoption by 2035, which this government claimed to be the new target just last week, would be about 250,000 megawatt power plantswould need to be built to be running all the time from right now, start building them now, because you'll have them in four to five years.There's no plan to do that. The energy supply scenario of squashing base load, continuous duty fossil power is not connected to this, let's electrify everything.The two things aren't even connected together by this government.It's going to need a huge amount more electricity should these things happen.
That push, because you reposted a story in New York Times and talked about an increase of, I think the current 5% of vehicles sold being electric up to within 10 years, 67%.The figure was mind-blowing. That's not just a case of whenever everyone plugs their car in that the energy goes up.That's a case of there is no energy.
That's right, because all of the electricity production measures, these states that are blue, and this government have taken through its rhetoric for two years now, are all about adopting more and more, excuse my plain speaking, of stuff that doesn't work most of the time, solar and wind. So net, net, you've got no increase of energy resources. And I'm looking at one of the dominant business forecast that I would, in the power generation business, would use here between now and ... Thisis like the commonly accepted forecast.Between now and 2030, we'll have 341 more gigawatts of wind installed and 383 more gigawatts of solar installed in this country by 2030.And also take away another 828 gigawatts of coal, basically make it go away.That's the consensus business forecast, which is a collection of what utilities are telling OEMs that make power generation equipment, T&D equipment.This is the forecast.Well, if this be the case, when you take the deficiency, the time that wind and solar don't work, the net net increase in generation assets, it's about 1% across that time.When you factor down, you take out the fact that coal operates 24 hours a day, and you're displacing it with massive quantities of a five-hour-a-day thing and a nine-hour-a-day thing, the reciprocal, you've got nothing.When you take all that into account, the energy electricity plan for the US is to grow electricity production by about 1% across the next 10 years.And we're going to electrify everything in the meantime.The mathematics don't even work on this. So a frightening thing happened late last week in California, often a sign of what's to come here, the rest of the country.For some reason, the three major utilities who were regulated by the state approached the state, and I'm believing they were gigged by the state to do this, with a new billing practice of using a percentage of income, to pay for electricity instead of a per-use basis.I mean, right now, in most of the, all of the developed world, in the West for sure, your electricity bill is a use-based thing.You use X kilowatts, you pay a certain rate, that's what you pay based on use, which promotes efficient use of it and penalizes those who use the most.It's not a penalty, it's use the most, you pay for the most.California now wants to embrace converting this to an income percentage tax.That if you make X, you pay X dollars a month. If you make Y, you pay Y plus 10%.A scale based on income only, delinking utilization of electricity from the cost of it.They're putting this before the public service commission to get this approved, creating displacing use fees for electricity, which are completely common and make logical common sense with an income tax kind of percentage of income.So independent of what you use, you pay a percentage of your income for electricity.Now, what this will do for them is we'll de-link the massive fact of their shortages, and the massive fact of their very, very high cost electricity, it'll hide that.Because now you can make these comparisons of one state to another, that'll go away.Because now that they'll have, if this gets passed, they'll have an income tax, that the utilities are able to charge, which that's a whole nother, how do they get to look at your income?That's not legal here, but according to what California wants to do, that's what the utilities will begin to charge you a fixed fee based on your income, independent of it.So then you'll have demand go through the roof because efficiency won't matter anymore, but it'll hide the real cost of the electricity. and the fact that once it becomes, incrementally, it becomes free in that sense.The complaining about the lack of it would tend to diminish.You get to then the Russian food model of years ago with the bread lines.Hey, that which is free from the government, don't complain about it when it's not there.That's where they're headed.Acknowledging they have no plan whatsoever to displace the huge shortage of electricity that that state has.They're talking about a way of obfuscating cost to make it seem like incremental use of it is free, Therefore, when the big brownouts and blackouts really kick in, which are going to increase and increase, well, since you're not paying anything for this anyhow, no complaints necessary.This is frightening. This was announced late last week, Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern Cal Edison, looking at an income percentage fee collection instead of a per use for electricity consumption.
How does this, how does it play out as people go and spend their crazy amount of money on EVs, electric vehicles, and then with not being able to power them?Is that just a movement towards, I mean, we've seen a movement towards red states simply because of the higher crime rates, higher tax rates, higher cost of living in the Democrat areas.Will that just continue? Is that just a bigger divide in the US?I mean, how does it play out?
 
It plays out as a massively increased divide between the haves and the have-nots.Because the typical EV over here is still $65,000 to $70,000 to buy one.The typical medium to lower end gas powered vehicles are about $25,000 to $28,000.The business model is in the EV, about 40% of the cost structure of that thing is the battery.Essentially, you're prepaying in that high price, 65 to 70 grand, you're prepaying the, 30 grand or so for the fuel equivalent being the battery, you're prepaying for about 150,000 miles of the fuel, if you will, in the model.Then at 150,000 plus miles, you're also exposed to the liability to replace that again for another prepaid 30, $35,000 for a new battery that can go another 150,000 miles.Paid up front, we're presently liquid fuel, you're paying on a pre-use basis, and it's domestic.So now you're prepaying for Tesla's cars. The cost structure is 40% China.That's where his batteries come from. His lithium ion comes from there.So you're transferring an obligation that was in the days gone by, the Middle East became domestic, a great thing.We want to get off domestic oil and gas production, now let's transfer that to a lithium-ion battery supply from China. But the chasm that this develops between the average citizen making $65,000, $68,000, $70,000, the chasm between that person even being able to afford a vehicle and those who can actually afford them, which is maybe then your 15% of the population can actually afford a vehicle, it grows massively. It just grows massively. It's exactly as you pointed out, it grows the chasm between the haves and the have-nots, as do all of these renewable energy sources when electricity bills go through the roof because of them.
And of course, one of the other factors in it, which isn't discussed whenever the Green Lobby are pushing for this. They're not mentioning the finite resources that go into the batteries.No one mentions cobalt mining in Africa where children are used as slave labour. But that's not a part of the conversation. And that really confused me where a group claim to be environmentally conscious and also concerned of the impact of the individuals in the work market.And yet they're happy to have children going down mines for them for their latest battery car.
It takes us right back to, okay, we are what we criticize others of being colonialists.This was the critique of the UK, the Dutch, our own behaviour here with forced labour.Well, guess what? Total dependence on the developing world for any resources extraction of any kind, be it oil, lithium, cobalt, is another form of colonialism. Or there's another one, yellow cake for uranium supply. This country was 100% self-sufficient on uranium supply as recent as 1992. And now we're 52% dependent on Russia, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan for uranium, which has continued unabated throughout this entire war.We haven't changed that policy one iota, where we are in Wyoming and Utah still full of uranium, easily mineable, but no, we hate resource extraction.We don't want to be around that any longer.We'll throw certain indigenous Native Americans in front of that, who actually like the fact of it happening, but you pay certain groups, they'll step out in front and prevent that, plus various treaties that the Clinton administration made with Russia to arguably stop their conversion of uranium to nuclear weapons.We could do that by buying it from them.Unenforceable, unverifiable. So to this moment, we still do that. But this hatred of resource extraction is thrown out there as a rationale to outsource the Biden administration on oil, as opposed to ramping up domestic production. When this OPEC Plus was formed, began crushing cost here, where did they go? First stop was Iran. The second stop was Iraq. And the third stop was Venezuela, Arabia was in between. We go to OPEC to get oil instead of producing our own. When we, hit a Trump administration peak in November of 2019, 13.6 million barrels a day. We're the top producer in the world. And we abdicated that position within months of this administration taking place. And then all of its rhetoric, communicating to OPEC, oh, we're really on board with your production reductions. We're going to have our own here of a million two barrels, reduction. Basically, going along with their, the way they manage prices is not through raising the price. It's through toggling up and down the production level. We joined that. We basically joined that. We cut our production under the blanket of CO2 reasons rationale by 1.2 million barrels a day. And then who do we go to looking for the excess? We go to them. This is,It's a set of insane policies geared at making the country, as Western Europe has become, totally dependent on others for energy.
 
Well, let me just finish on a piece that just came out in the UK, I think it was The Telegraph, for UK connection with what's happening in the States and it was the UK Chancellor Jeremy Hunt who oversees the Treasury here in the UK has just said that Joe Biden's flagship green energy policy risks plunging the world into the economic dark age. Now that was quite phenomenal because normally Western governments have been falling over themselves to say how wonderful they think Biden is and it was actually the first criticism I've seen of Biden. And this was, I guess, to do with subsidies. That's the concern, I guess, from Europe. But that just intrigued me, that, I guess, change in tone, change in rhetoric from Europe towards America, that Biden is no longer the great one. Actually, there's criticism.And I guess that's on subsidies. But I don't know if that's the beginning of maybe a wedge between how Europe look at energy and how the States does.
Well, I mean the trouble I mean what he said is really, the net result is plunging the West into economic decline.Because I'm gonna suggest about a hundred and sixty countries aren't on board with this.And I'll mention a few that would surprise you Japan, Japan after Fukushima between 2015 and 2019 commissioned 13 count them 13, large coal plants, 10,000 megawatt supercriticals and 300, 400 megawatt coal plants.Why? They need to industrially compete with China.It's in their interest to do that. They did the right thing for the Japanese people.Here we're celebrating this meeting the G7 had in Sapporo.Well, the Japanese talk about, you know, renewables and all this decarbonization.Look at what they're doing.Doing what's necessary to promote their economy. And then their commitment to the renew the Sakhalin Island LNG deal at only 13 bucks a dekatherm that Russians committed prior pricing in this day and time, they had to continue that.That's about 9% of their gas supply. Half of that comes from here, half quantity, double the amount from Russia.They continue that. It's in their interest to do that.So, you're looking at this very weak alliance on this war thing.The entirety of Western Europe and Japan have not really been aligned with the US on that.India has doubled down on its, the Indian Oil Corporation has now doubled its consumption of Russian oil in the last three months.There is no unanimity of actions on this, either one, the CO2 front, which I'm going to suggest 160 countries are not on side with moving in this direction, led by the Chinese, who have double the CO2 emissions of all of the OECD countries combined.They don't believe in this, by their actions. Now, what they're selling, lithium ion cobalt batteries and PV cells, yeah, they're promoting a Macron visit so Xi Jinping takes, oh, yes, Macron, we're working together on sub-Sahara CO2 abatement.That's complete nonsense. That's nonsense to pander to the West.Oh, here, well, yeah, we're going to tell you we agree with you.Look at what they're doing.60% of their power generation is coal-based.He has no plans of changing that. He has a plan to keep his country competitive industrially and have a strong military.That's what his plan is.Such as we had in prior days in this part of the world, but we've abandoned.
Dave, I really appreciate you coming on. It's an honour to have anyone that Bannon goes to as his go-to person.And I've thoroughly enjoyed your many times of War Room over the last two years.So thank you so much for coming on and sharing your thoughts on energy.
Well, Peter, thanks for having me. And one of these days I'll come back and we can go further into it, but deeply appreciate, it.

Joe Allen - A Death March Toward Artificial General Intelligence

Joe Allen has become a mainstay on our War Room screens over the last few years, his understanding of how technology is negatively affecting our lives and his analysis of how we push back is second to none. The rise of AI, nano technology, genetic experimentation, biometric payment systems, digital ID and digital currencies are all new technologies that are creeping into our everyday lives. Who controls them? What is their purpose? Do we have a choice to opt out? How are governments planning on using these to control their citizens? Joe answers all of these questions as he takes us into a new reality that is marching towards artificial general intelligence.Joe Allen is the is Transhumanism editor at War Room: Pandemic.He is a fellow primate who wonders why we ever came down from the trees! Joe studied religion and science at the University of Tennessee and Boston University and writes about ethnic identity, transhuman hubris, and the eternal spiritual quest. His work has appeared in The Federalist, ColdType, The American Thinker, The National Pulse, This View of Life, The American Spectator, IBCSR: Science on Religion, Disinformation, and elsewhere.Follow Joe at....Substack: https://joebot.substack.com/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/JOEBOTxyzTwitter: https://twitter.com/JOEBOTxyz?s=20War Room: http://warroom.org/Interview recorded 12.4.23
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Transcript
[0:22] Joe Allen, thank you so much for joining us on Hearts of Oak today.
Peter, very glad to be here. Thank you very much.
Not all. I know many of our viewers will have seen you regularly on War Room as a transhuman editor.What does it take to be a transhuman editor? How did that end up? You've being in the War Room. Tell us about that.
You know, well, transhumanist or transhuman, although I would say this, Peter, that I think transhuman editor might be most accurate now.Part of the gig obviously is a 24-7 screen time. So I think that my cyborg status is pretty much solidified at this point.You know, Steve reached out to me just a little over a year ago, just like two years ago, And I'd written an article about the transhumanist quest, to upload for the Federalist. And I'd been writing a series of articles about technology that dipped into transhumanism quite a bit.He got a hold of that article about transhumanists and their desire to upload their souls and liked it.And it was quite odd. I don't wanna get too long into the story, but a friend of mine who had tipped me off to the War Room some year or so prior to that.[1:49] He had tipped me off to the War Room.I watched it. I watched an interview with Steve on PBS.It was this long, uncut interview with Lester Holt. And I was like, man, I've got to get a hold of this guy, Steve Bannon.And, but the way it works, you don't just call up Steve Bannon.And no one I knew had his contact.So I just put it out of my mind.I roamed across the country during the pandemic, ended up in Montana.And that same friend about a year later tells me that Steve gave me a shout out on the war room. And I thought, what?And it wasn't two weeks or three weeks after that that I checked my Twitter DMs, which I never ever did at the time. It was a different handle.[2:34] And there was Cameron, the producer, asking if I would come on the show.And so, but it was already too late.Got back to him, went on the show. Steve asked me if I'd like to join the war room that day.And here I am.
It's always interesting who connects you, to me. It was just Miller giving credit to who connected me with Steve.What Steve does with the War Room is phenomenal and he is a machine in terms of production, in terms of knowledge, in terms of what he pushes out.Yeah, love watching you on that. I think you're on Charlie Kirk recently as well, a few days ago.
I mean, yeah, that's right.
 
Absolutely brilliant. But if we, you can, for the viewers, you can obviously find you at JoeBotXYZ on the GETTR and on Twitter. Obviously, he has his Substack account. All the links are in the description. And that's just JoeBot.Substack.com you can find there and sign up to his regular wisdom. But I probably, Joe, when I think of transhumanism. I think the most powerful men in the world, Sleepy Joe, Supreme Court judges, don't know who women are, Elon Musk. And I'm thinking maybe transhumanism would be an improvement.[3:57] You know, I wouldn't deny that. In many ways, I think that if the world was run by a Satanist cabal, at least they would have a plan. So yeah, it's interesting. Probably the most famous proponent of transhumanism, at least in elite circles, is Klaus Schwab. And I think people just, they really dismiss Schwab oftentimes because he tends to speak, and he and his co-author write in vacant corporate platitudes for the most part. But I do think that he's smart enough to know which way the wind's blowing. And the wind is definitely blowing in the direction of holding up technology as the highest power.And so really, I think his fourth industrial revolution in 2016 was in many ways a kind, of clarion call to the world that this is the way we are going.And some of it is him looking around the scene and evaluating it.Some of it is his own enthusiasm. He has this really strange, naïve enthusiasm for transhumanist technologies.[5:16] That represents a really, really important moment in Western history and perhaps world history because of the open declaration that technology will be the way forward, not political ideology, and in their view, certainly not religious ideology, but technology.[5:38] Well, let's maybe delve into the most relevant transhumanist technologies.You've got a number of things will be on people's radar, nanotechnology, you look at mRNA and that ability, your digital ID, I guess, world governments, institutions tracking us, monitoring us, you could chat, GBT has a lot of headlines recently.And when people talk about kind of most relevant transhumanist technology, how do you kind of start unpacking that?[6:12] It can get complicated, but to break it down as simply as possible, two categories have to be distinguished there, one being technocracy, ruled by expert, and in its more modern form, ruled by expert through science and technology.And then on the other end you have transhumanism itself, which is in some ways separate from that.They overlap a great deal, but it is ultimately two separate, these are two separate movements.That Patrick Wood put it best, I'll paraphrase him, as technocracy is to a society, transhumanism is to the individuals within that society.I think that really does encapsulate the overlap quite a bit.[7:05] So when you talk about something like digital identification or digital currencies, central bank digital currencies, these I would say fall more under the category of technocracy.It's more of a way of organizing a society. It's a social structure based on technological systems of control. And on the other side, you've got transhumanism. And this is much more of, I would say, a kind of spiritual quest on the part of the people who are involved.You could say that it is many decades old. You know, the term transhumanist coined by Julian Huxley, 1956, I've got an essay collection, New Bottles for New Wine, and the opening essay was a lecture in 1956 entitled Transhumanism.He isn't really talking about technology so much in this though.He's more talking about how science will transform human beings.[8:03] He's hinting at technology, but for the most part, he grounds it in science.And of course, technology by and large emerges from the scientific method and mathematical deduction.So it fits, but it really wasn't until the 80s or so that you started seeing a lot of people take on this term transhumanism as a description of using technology to transform the human being.FM 2030 I think was probably the first major figure, but then Max Moore, a philosopher, was probably the one who put the stamp on the term transhumanism in this realm.So relevant technologies.I think the most relevant, especially now, artificial intelligence, creating a digital brain. The belief being that artificial intelligence will have limitless memory.Artificial intelligence will be able to scrape over basically unlimited data, as much data as you can feed into it.[9:08] And of course, it's going to have better pattern recognition than human beings.It's going to be able to pick out patterns in that vast amount of data in a way that no human being would be able to.It's gonna be able to do it at really, really fast speeds, right?So human brain operates on neurochemical processes, artificial intelligence computers in general, that processing moves at the speed of light.So there's a religious idea behind it that artificial intelligence is becoming and will become a sort of God to human beings.How do you merge yourself with that God? How do you reap the benefits and blessings of that God?Descending from there, you've got robotics.Which requires artificial intelligence for sophisticated systems of control.[9:58] You also have brain-computer interfaces, so that could be anything from these screens that we're speaking through, and I think that is a valid interpretation, hence my transhuman editor label. And then you've got the non-invasive brain-computer interfaces, It's kind of skull caps that read the brain in increasingly great detail.They don't require implants. Some of them, they're planning to roll out, different corporations are planning to roll out sort of AirPod-like brain computer interfaces or small bands that fit on the back of your head used for anything from monitoring employees' mental states to controlling actual computer systems.Nita Farahany is probably the leading expert on the non-invasive brain computer interface, if your listeners would like to look into it. But then of course you have the implanted brain computer interface.You got three major corporations working on that.[11:01] Neuralink, which has yet to get FDA approval. You've got a hole cut out of your skull, chip put in, about 1,024 wires or more if they can get them into the brain, those read the brain, and then allow the human being to project thoughts into a computer system.At the moment, there's not really any input. They've been able to do muscular movements and other things, but for the most part right now, the technology is only output.And so any input would have to come in through the traditional method, visual audio.And then two other corporations though, that are right now implanting their brain computer interfaces in human brains.You've got Synchron out of Brooklyn.[11:49] And Synchron is instead of drilling a hole, you send a kind of stent, an electronic stent up the vein into the brain at the jugular.And it sits within the vein and is able to read the neurons around it.I don't know what their count is, probably something like six, seven, eight, less than 10 if I'm not mistaken.But they have implanted them and people who are locked in, who've had strokes, things like that, are basically being experimented on with the intention of Tom Oxley, their CEO, hopes that eventually that technology will be able to be used to throw your emotions to other people.Kind of hive mind-ish idea.And then you've got BlackRock Neurotech invested in by Peter Thiel, and they're based out of Utah.And again, a different sort of technology, the way it works, you get it under the skull on top of the brain. It's a micro electrode array patch that sits on top of the brain.[12:58] I think that they have around 36 patients that are currently implanted with that technology.And again, it allows them to operate robotic arms. It allows them to translate their thoughts into text on screen, things like that.Moving down from there you have the sort of biological, Neurological and biological[13:22] technologies so the the neurological technologies this kind of feeds into the brain-computer interface is just[13:30] transcranial stimulation whether it's magnetic or whether it's kind of a a sonogram of, sorry, What's the word I'm looking for? Using sound waves anyway, sorry, I blanked on the very common term.But you use the stimulation to do various things, change mood, change the ability to concentrate, those sorts of things.And then, of course, you have the implanted version of them.There's like 160,000 of those, and those range from everything from eliminating Parkinson's tremors to eliminating depression, oddly enough.[14:10] And then I think the most famous and the thing that really captures people's imagination, genetic engineering.Genetic engineering has been a thing for quite some time. The first real genetic engineering projects come out of Stanford in the 70s.But with the advent of CRISPR, basically a molecular complex found in E. coli, CRISPR-Cas9, that was really discovered, I would say, 2011. It was kind of a piecemeal discovery process.[14:42] But now CRISPR is used for all sorts of things. And the advantage of CRISPR is that it allows the geneticist to go in and spot edit the genome. So initially it was to cut out nucleotides in a faulty gene to shut the gene down. But now they're able to actually cut out and insert corrective nucleotides to change the gene, to correct the gene, to heal disease. And the goal going forward for a lot of people, not everyone by any means, but for a lot of people, the goal going forward is to use that to enhance human beings, to give us greater intelligence, to give us greater strength, and you know, whatever else may be desired. Beauty.Mood, temperament, all those sorts of things. So that hopefully gives your listeners a roadmap, artificial intelligence, robotics.[15:41] Brain-computer interfacing, neuro-enhancement, and genetic engineering.
Two questions. One, obviously, one argument on this is this is just technological advancement.This is just humans bettering themselves.But then another part of that, when you mentioned some of those things, you realize that it is, much of it is very much about the person.It's not technology at arm's length, but actually people may not have control or the ability to decide yes or no that it will happen because it's on the person as opposed to a phone that you can pick up and set down if you can't actually pick it up and set down because it's part of you.But what are your, one, that this is just technological advancement, but then the flip other side that maybe humans will not be able to decide whether or not they're part of this.
It's a thorny topic for a lot of reasons. One, a lot of transhumanists argue for a morphological freedom, right? So guys like Max Moore, guys like Zoltan Istvan, they talk about it in terms of freedom.It's the freedom to be able to alter one's body or use technologies in any way they see fit, even if it puts off the rest of us in normal human society.[17:03] Then you have the more kind of implicit totalitarianism that you see in the singularity prophecies, right?So Ray Kurzweil being the most famous, it's just the idea that these technologies have always increased in complexity and effectiveness at an exponential rate.Then that exponential curve will continue until it reaches basically vertical, basically infinite advancement.He calls this a singularity at which technology is completely out of human control and the technology is making all the decisions. And he predicts 2045 is the date we'll hit the singularity.[17:43] And so the implicit totalitarianism there is that not that these guys are creating technologies to control everyone, the idea there, and they never own up to it, but this is definitely there.The idea is that you're creating a technological system that is inescapable and a technological system that has ultimately the final say in whatever sort of state that human psychology or human society is in.And so,even if you don't believe in something like that, even if you don't believe something like that's possible, to the extent that ideology is driving the people making the technologies and is also kind of hypnotizing the public with this technophilia, you end up in a situation where whether the singularity comes or not, whether anything like that happens or not, you have a kind of techno-religion that sees, really the rise of artificial intelligence, nano robotics and genetic engineering as this sort of second coming or the realization of God.And I really do fear, Peter, that a lot of people are so enamoured by it that the effectiveness of the technology won't be as important as the social and psychological effects.Now moving over into the more totalitarian, like openly totalitarian end of it.[19:10] In the West, people really don't talk like that.Even Klaus Schwab, if you read his writing or really listen to what he's saying outside of the small snippets, and certainly if you listen to Yuval Noah Harari to any length, neither of them are talking about creating a digital dictatorship.Schwab sounds more like it than Harari. Harari, if you read Harari carefully or even just read him at all, or listen to him carefully or just listen to him at all.You hear him over and over again, warning that these technologies are a recipe for digital dictatorship, right?So this idea of hackable humans, yeah, he's very unsentimental and he's very hostile to religion.He mocks religion a lot, so it's very off-putting.But what he's talking about is the rise of the scientific paradigm in which human beings, don't have free will.It's a scientific paradigm that holds that our decision-making process is nothing more than the bubbling up of neurochemical processes, and that with sufficient surveillance technology, your phone being a big one.[20:19] Sufficient surveillance technology allows governments and corporations to monitor your behaviours and as he would put it, to know you better than you know yourself.Then they're able to manipulate the population en masse, and they're able to target individuals for direct psychological manipulation.And because of this belief that free will is an illusion, people won't even realize that they're being manipulated. They will think they're making their own decisions.Now where you do see a sort of overt application of this, you see it in China.China has you know, they're they're really it's unclear how advanced their artificial intelligence is, it's unclear how advanced their genetic engineering projects are but they have far fewer ethical constraints on, genetic engineering and they have,[21:15] basically, no real ethical constraints that I'm aware of on the development of artificial intelligence up to artificial general intelligence now, Really is officially speaking neither do we in the West?But for China, the real advance they have made in artificial intelligence is in surveillance technology.And so of course in any major city in China, you've got wall to wall surveillance sensors.And those are more and more starting to incorporate biometric sensors, biometric analysis of video footage or other biometric data, including genetic data.And so China, I think, represents kind of an overt expression of what we're talking about when transhumanism meets totalitarianism.And it's very chilling because more and more people at the World Economic Forum, including Klaus Schwab, seem very amenable to the Chinese model.And more and more, I think, people in America implicitly are embracing something like the the Chinese model.[22:21] Obviously one of the, just before we want to move on some of the individuals involved, but one of the headlines I think which you reposted was a zero hedge headline, 1st of April.The headline was unprecedented Chinese genetic experiment may lead to an army of radiation resistant super soldiers.They talk about Frankenstein like experiments with manipulation of human DNA.I guess the danger is that somewhere like China, you say it doesn't have restrictions, but also it doesn't have a sense of the individual, where in the West, the individual makes their choices and they can choose yes or no, where in China you don't have that ability. When you have stories like that out of China, it makes you wonder what else is happening, but in a country that doesn't have those controls and doesn't have those personal individualistic controls, then it's frightening where that can go, I guess.
Yeah, I think that is a great example of two things. One, the sort of distracting over sensationalization of what's going on. It was an experiment.[23:31] It was an experiment on human embryos. Basically, they're fusing, they're injecting or stitching water bear genes into human genes, right?Of water bears and those tiny little microscopic creatures that I guess look like bears.They look more like some kind of monstrous doodle bug to me.But the idea then being that because water bears are resistant to radiation, these resulting humans would also be resistant to radiation.One of the things that I covered and looked into quite a bit was the creation of human monkey chimeras in China.[24:09] This was done in partnership with the Salk Institute in California, but the human monkey chimeras, basically a chimera is taking two different types of stem cells, right, two different species or multiple species stem cells and fusing them together to create a sort of hybrid creature. This has been done a lot in mice, but this was, these were human stem cells blended with, I believe it was macaque monkey stem cells and we're chimpanzee, whatever.And they let them grow until like 30 days, then offed them, right?Mass abortion basically.[24:51] And another great example, Ha-Xiang Hui, the Chinese geneticist, in I believe it was 2018 announced that he had created the world's first, at least known, CRISPR babies, a pair of twins whose father was HIV positive.So he went in and used CRISPR to alter their, it's a gene that is responsible for the enzymes on cellular membranes, a defensive enzyme that would give themimmunity or at least resistance to HIV. He was of course imprisoned by the Chinese Communist Party after all of the global ethical outrage.Many would say and I think it's probably correct that the reason they imprisoned him is mainly because he bragged about it not because he did it. But, anyway, I think that in many ways the, in the same way that killer artificial intelligence is a is a diversion from the real dangers of just minimally powerful artificial intelligence or social control or surveillance.And in the same way that an implanted brain-computer interface kind of distracts attention away from the real human-machine symbiosis that occurs through our relationship with smartphones and other digital devices.In that same way, the focus on this idea of horrific mutants,[26:16] such as a human monkey chimera, or a part human, part water bear nuclear war super soldier, A, it's very unclear whether any of those creatures would ever develop into anything anyway, right?More than likely, they would just die as the genetic monsters that they are.But even if that was done, you're talking about a tiny minority of people We'll take another 10 to 20 years to really see what the realization of that means, What's more important? I think is something like the vast experiments done on the human population with mRNA injections, That alone is enough to give us pause. You know, it is terrified about half of us and[27:02] for very very good reason it has completely hypnotized seemingly the other half of us, which is also extremely alarming.But I really think that it's the extreme ends of these technologies It's very important to look at them because that tells you where they want it to go, but for the immediate, for right now for the present time. I think that the most important thing to look at is these these more mundane experiments being done on the whole on whole populations such as the mRNA injections such as as human smartphone symbiosis, and such as AIs like the chatbots, the chat GPT.
Well, let's get into it. I want to talk about some of the individuals.I was saying actually what are the vision guiding these technologies, but the vision comes with the individuals.And of course, you've got Bezos with Amazon One, Sam Altman, who I actually hadn't come across until you put out the article about the biometric world ID.Someone like Jeff Bezos, us on the right on the conservative side, or we don't like.But then you've got Peter Thiel, you've got Elon Musk, and then there's confusion because they're pushed towards some of these technologies. So, I mean, give us a, you've touched on some of the figures, but maybe touch on some of those who are some of the key individuals pushing some of these technologies?[28:30] You know, since you mentioned them and none of them, none of the ones you've mentioned other than Peter Thiel are open transhumanist and even Peter Thiel now basically says transhumanism is a kind of a past, it's a fad that has passed.And in some sense he's correct because transhumanism was a very localized school of thought that whose ideas influenced a lot of people.And now you wouldn't call it transhumanism. You would call it the fourth industrial revolution, or you would call it the internet or you would call it bio-digital convergence, something like that.So just going across that spectrum and I'll just go from left to right.You would say, and I don't think that left and right really don't apply here because what you're talking about is an orientation towards a higher power technology and it really does cross the political spectrum.There's every reason for people on the right to want to use these technologies as there is for people on the left.So.Bill Gates, though, I think is at least most associated with kind of left-wing thinking, even if he's not really a leftist in any meaningful way.[29:36] He is probably, he's been the most resistant to publicly espousing transhumanist goals, right? He's more and more moving in that direction, especially with the release of the GPT technology.But, you know, for him, it's always this sort of latent thing.He's much more focused on the immediate so far as I can tell and he's also to me the most condemnable of all those individuals because of all the influence that he's wielded to[30:05] force these technologies on people in a technocratic fashion moving over to Jeff Bezos, you know, There are a lot of reasons that Jeff Bezos has gone under the radar because he is, He like gates. He's not been all that outspoken but just look at three different aspects of his career, four different aspects, sorry, four.Number one, the entire Amazon structure is technocracy personified, right?So a fulfillment center is a top-down control structure built off of algorithms and some advanced artificial intelligence that either employs robotics to do the work or it turns humans into kind of human algorithm symbiotes.So people literally sit around all day on their phones taking direction and they're monitored and artificial intelligence scrapes up that data to figure out how to make the system more efficient.It is without a doubt, the most effective digital super organism that exists on the planet, or at least among the maybe military grade super organisms are more powerful.Second, his entire infatuation with going out into outer space and...[31:22] At one point he was speaking at the National Cathedral. He talked about how maybe in one vision of the future, most people would live in outer space and Earth would remain as a sort of national park for them to visit on occasion, which is utterly inhuman and horrific to most normal people.But it just basically went without comment. A few people were like, oh my God, that sounds horrible.This billionaire is talking about putting us on space ghettos and keeping Earth for themselves.Well, I mean, that's our guy right there, right?And so the whole thing with Blue Origin with a penis-shaped rocket and the Amazon smile with a penis-shaped smile, I think it does in many ways represent the kind of masculine underpinning of transhumanism in the entire kind of technological endeavor.But also, he's invested in Altos Labs in conjunction with Yuri Milner.And Yuri Milner is much more openly transhumanist. He wrote a manifesto, I can't remember the name of it, talking about human life, giving away to Silicon Life.But Altos Labs is dedicated to human longevity through genetic engineering.Peter Thiel also involved in this. Obviously Bill Gates involved in this.Most of these, Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Google also involved in this.Very, very, very popular among the billionaires.[32:41] But as you mentioned, Amazon one. Here you're talking about really this kind of pop beast system, wherein Amazon customers, now Panera Bread customers, also Whole Foods customers using their palm biometrics in order to pay for things and identify themselves.I think that that is going to be a much more popular way of implementing what Christians would call a beast system because a lot of people fetishistically implant RFID chips for that purpose. That is really unnerving to a lot of people. Whereas if you take that away entirely and just have a biometric scan, it's much more amenable to the general population.I don't know what the numbers are yet for the customers, but I do know that it's many dozens of stores this is rolled out in so people are using it.Moving over to the right though, you've got Elon Musk who is everything but an open transhumanist, right?He he espouses all of the transhumanist values without ever using the term transhumanism It's very very common ploy, right?So everything from the idea that artificial intelligence will achieve this godlike state to, the only way that human beings will be able to survive in such an environment is to link our brains to it to friendly AIs through an invasive brain computer interface, which he's working on.[34:04] He's also working on artificial general intelligence with Tesla AI and one would imagine that, he has and will be using Twitter data for the same purpose, right?He didn't need to buy Twitter for that, just by the way. Twitter has always offered Firehose API for people who want to data mine Twitter.The only thing that really gives you is 24-7 fire hose access and also access to the DMs other than that a lot of people are training their a eyes on Twitter or have been,[34:36] interestingly musk has cut that off anyway, and then also you know musk and his obsession with going and living in space This is a recurring theme of transhumanist to get off of Earth and become the sort of multi planetary, species and The creation of the robot optimist would be another great example example, the rollout of autonomous vehicles is another great example. I mean, at that point you've got an infrastructure that controls you as much as you control it or maybe more.And so it's really interesting this way in which he's captured the hearts of the right, mainly because he's cool, he's funny, and he at the moment is so anti-PC or anti-woke that there is a certain alignment there. And I appreciate all he's done in that direction, but to me, his long-term vision of the future is more important than the short-term favors he might have to offer. And then moving to the farthest right, Peter Thiel, much more openly involved with these different transhumanist movements.[35:42] What is it called? The Methuselah Foundation, he's invested in heavily. A number of other sort of longevity start-ups he's invested in. He was very interested in Ambrosia, which was, was they've shut down operations now because of threats from the FDA.But Ambrosia is a process.They use the process of parabiosis. They would inject young people's blood into older people to give them more vitality. And of course, Peter Thiel founded Palantir.[36:13] Which even if they're not working on artificial general intelligence, their AI systems are among the most sophisticated in the world.And they're used to, uh, to really apply real world power through the military and through the security state in general. And so on and on, again, as I mentioned, Peter Thiel was an investor in, originally investor, an investor in Neuralink, now a major backer of BlackRock Neurotech brain computer interfaces. So, you know, across the spectrum, one last thing, actually, if I may, One last thing about Peter Thiel that's also really interesting. Of all those people I just mentioned, he is also explicitly religious in his outlook. And so Peter Thiel is oftentimes written about Christianity and the relationship it has with technology. And maybe the most important essay that I'm aware of personally is an essay that was published at First Things, Christian magazine, the title being Against Edenism.[37:21] And in that he argues there's no going back to Eden of Genesis, there's only going forward to the city of God in Revelation.And so Christians need to use these technologies to defend, to bolster and defend their civilizations, to create a sort of kingdom of God on Earth or some approximation of the city of God on earth, and city of heaven on earth.[37:50] To me, I think that it's a kind of gross perversion of what the Christian doctrine is.I mean, not that there's any single Christian doctrine.I know many of your religious listeners might take umbrage with that statement, but the sort of general orientation of Christianity is towards a higher spiritual realm and is at least disinterested in the outcomes of the physical body, this technological obsession is obsessed with physical outcomes. So Thiel is also interested in that way. Aside from funding all these kind of Christian Republican candidates, he also uses Christian mythology in order to push a kind of technocratic or transhumanist point of view.
Can I pick some of the names? The whole chat-GBT thing. I know Peter Thiel and Elon Musk were involved in the beginning and then Microsoft came along and put in billions and seemed to have taken that partially as their own and then the whole letter from 1800 opposing, the move of AI in general. But I mean I'm Gen X so it did take my older son to show me the South Park episode about chatGBT and then I thought I have to get up to get up to speed. But I guess people just see that as[39:20] helping society, making your life easier. It doesn't seem too invasive. It's just[39:27] for lazy people, they can use that. And how does that kind of fit in? Because chat GPT has been very much in the media recently.
ChatGPG set off a social atom bomb. It's just really insane.On the one side you have all these people who have embraced it.On the war room we've really focused on guys like Hans Monk at Epic Times who is very enthusiastic about it as being a way to break the left.And then of course Jordan Peterson.People really got mad at me, but he does sound like a real wiener when he's talking about it being smarter than you are.Are and oh Elon Musk is going to save us. Sorry for your Jordan Peterson fans but I find him to be very off-putting. Anyway, they talk about it as kind of this god-like entity in some sense. And then on the other side, which is really, really interesting, on the other side you've got guys like Eliezer Yudkowsky and Elon Musk and Yuval Harari and Max Tegmark.All of them, transhumanist basically, with the exception of maybe Harari.I know a lot of people would wonder why I would say that, but I don't see him as being a transhumanist in any meaningful way.Anyway, all of these transhumanists are saying that this represents a profound danger to human civilization. So why would they say that? It's a chatbot.It's nothing but a chatbot, right?[40:55] And the real reason, there's two major reasons, right? One, the unexpected capacities that GPT technology, has exhibited, the sort of general knowledge that it's able to put out on the basis of, you know, nothing more than a neural network, right?Like you're just talking about an artificial brain that exists in a virtual system, but because of its size and the scale of the data it was trained on, it surprised everyone. GPT-3 surprised everyone. GPT-3.5 or chat GPT really surprised everyone as they flooded the public with it and people started having these very, personal interactions with an artificial mind and that was really important before they put on the safety layers people oftentimes say oh AI is just woke, Initially it wasn't just woke before they started putting the safety layers on it. It was actually[42:03] unbiased hence the enthusiasm that people like Hans Monk and Jordan Peterson had for it and[42:09] GPT-4 has really stunned people because it's starting to edge towards general intelligence.And just, I've been speaking about it, but just for any listeners who aren't familiar, artificial narrow intelligence is an AI that can do one single task or one kind of narrow range of tasks, such as play chess or go or play video games or control a microchip production system or to spit out words like chat GPT, right?Artificial general intelligence is something more human-like in which you have multiple cognitive modules that thinks across all of these domains and oftentimes simultaneously.Doesn't exist yet, but GPT-4 represented a huge move in that direction.It was able to translate, for instance, vision into text and make reasonable conclusions about it.It was able to solve mazes, right? It's a language model, it was able to solve mazes.And maybe most importantly, it excelled on human testing.[43:18] So the two most impressive were the GRE verbal test, 99th percentile was its score.And then you've got the US Biology Olympiad, again, 99th percentile.And then you had the LSAT and the bar exam, law exams.And that was 90th percentile and 88th percentile, respectively. So[43:46] people saw this as this incredible potential. Where is it going to go next?That's the fear.Now I personally am quite stunned that people are so enamored by this and that they want to embrace it.I think the biggest danger that this technology poses is that people like Bill Gates, right?Because Microsoft backed OpenAI, They're incorporating all of these GPT technologies into their systems.And so Bill Gates is talking about using it for education. A lot of people are talking about using it for education, meaning that education will become more and more, more than it is now, e-learning, digital learning.And these students, the youngest generation is going to develop this human AI relationship that is going to stick with them for life.And transhumanists oftentimes talk about how in an ideal future, you would have your own kind of personal AI as a type of guardian angel that would teach you about the world and would learn you better than you know yourself, right?And give you the advice that you need to get through life. You're talking about the most powerful brainwashing technology ever created.[45:05] And, you know, aside from that, you've got all of these different jobs that are being obliterated, everything from copywriters to editors to lawyers and even doctors and nurses.So that is, again, you're talking about the digital mediation between humans and all these kind of critical services.Maybe most importantly, preachers, rabbis, imams, I assume, using these technologies, specifically chat GPT, to create their sermons or to read, you know, to maybe a more autonomous system, just a simpler system to read liturgy.This is already occurring in like small little points across the planet. It has not yet taken off. But I could definitely foresee a future, especially after all of these children have been brainwashed by this technology, in which as you and I get old and die, literally, we've got a robot standing over us, reading us our last rites, as our, you know, the contents of our consciousness are made manifest through some sort of digital zombie made from all of our data.I mean, it sounds sci-fi, but barring nuclear war or an EMP, something like that is going to happen in certain societies around the world.So the big danger I see are those more immediate dangers, the psychological danger and the sociological and economic dangers.But you've got guys like Eliezer Yudkowsky.[46:33] Who say that, Nick Bostrom is also a major figure, who says that this represents a move towards an artificial general intelligence that is not aligned to human values, and it's not necessarily aligned to human existence.And so if the next iteration in GPT-5, or the next iteration in GPT-6, or any of these other AI companies that are working in competition with them, or any of the militaries around the world who are developing other artificial intelligence systems, if any of these create a digital brain that is large enough and fast enough and astute enough, I guess is a way of putting it, then you end up in a situation where you might get a hard takeoff, right? An intelligence explosion, what Nick Bostrom calls a super intelligence.And if that super intelligence is not aligned to human values or does not regard human existence as being necessary or desirable then it could easily take control of[47:42] critical infrastructure it could take control of weapon systems It could take control of a biolab or a series of biolabs, Or it could take control of individuals within a society to use any of these critical systems in order to destroy some other people or all of humanity. That's the fear that Eliezer Yudkowsky is talking about and it's entirely based on all of these kind of emergent properties from a chatbot that should just be you know some sort of rote memorization sort of regurgitation of all this knowledge but instead is showing this flexibility.The fear is that chatbot or maybe it's a robotic system or maybe it's a military simulation system or maybe it's a military control system. It could be any type of AI But if it reaches a super intelligent state, The fear is from their side that it would obliterate some or all of humankind, again I think it's very very important to listen to just for this for the same reason that all the warnings about the atom bomb were were very, very important to listen to.But in some ways that distracts from the more immediate and certainly attainable goals of rolling out these AIs across the society and using them for social control, for indoctrination and for mass surveillance.[49:06] I just wanna, I'm looking at time, but just wanted to bring in one final post that you had put up.This is on your GETTR and this was a YouGov America. I just want to touch on just for a few minutes, because it's interesting to see what the public rise.It was interesting, actually, YouGov, asking the question, how concerned at all are you about the possibility that AI will not just have a negative effect, but will cause the end of the human race on Earth?So it was a very hyperbolic question. But on this, you had 19% very concerned, 27% somewhat.So you've got 46% are concerned, 13% not knowing. So it seemed very evenly split.Half the people who were asked either were concerned or didn't know what it was about or unconcerned and didn't know.That was not only the type of question asked, that was intriguing, but the response was also intriguing.What were your thoughts when you posted this? I think it was back on 5th of April or so when you posted this.
Well, it's obviously is an expression of that open letterthat was put out by the Future of Life Institute calling for a six-month moratorium[50:19] on any AI above the level of GPT-4. Then, of course, Eliezer Yudkowsky published the now famous, op-ed in Time Magazine saying that's not enough and that all large GPU clusters, all large AI training centres, data centres should be banned.And if intelligence is aware of a training center working on a massive AI system, a potentially super intelligent system, airstrike should be on the table even at the risk of nuclear war.So this has flooded the national consciousness here in America and I presume world consciousness across the globe. I've been very provincial of late, so you'd have to tell me.But I know that just regarding that poll, which is an American poll.[51:15] This is flooding people's consciousness.It's always been there, latent consciousness has always been there in science fiction, everything from the Terminator and things like HAL 9000, all these sorts of motifs have always been there.Now, it represents a distinct possibility in people's minds.But that 50-50 split that you're seeing there, roughly 50-50, half and half, what's interesting is that give or take 10, 15%, either direction, on a score of issues, that's what you see in the American psyche.So you saw during COVID, I would say roughly half of the population became, you know, COVIDians and wanted to mask up obsessively.The other half, even among those who complied, really weren't into it.And on the extreme end, which I would place myself, were fiercely opposed and furious about it.[52:14] Same thing, basically, basically enthusiasm for the Vax. I don't know of any hard statistics.Forgive me if I'm a little wrong, but basically you've got this split, a significant enough split that each side has some potential of taking over the federal government and applying their will on the other half.Well, another really interesting poll that was done by two researchers, led by two researchers from Harvard and I believe Cambridge, if I'm not mistaken, looking at the Americans, and they surveyed asking them, if your child would have a better chance of getting into a top 100 college, Would you be willing to one, editthe embryo's genes to give it higher intelligence, or to use a polygenic risk score, or the pre-implantation testing, genetic testing, to figure out whether or not the IQ was high enough.[53:14] To give your infant a better chance of having a high IQ. And so, about a third, and this is roughly the same roughly the same for uneducated or more educated, skewed towards more educated, skewed towards younger, about a third, almost 40% among educated said they would be willing to edit their embryos genome[53:38] in order to give a higher IQ, just under half, just under 50% for the polygenic risk score.And what that means is that you conceive the child in vitro, right?Right the test tube baby from the 1970s you conceive the child in vitro and then you freeze the embryo and what you really do is you you stimulate the ovaries to produce multiple eggs so you end up with around 10 to 15 eggs and you conceive all of these and then you freeze them after taking a sample of the cells you do a polygenic risk or you do genetic testing on all of them and I've described this as being somewhere between a basketball tournament and a spelling bee basically you, one that is deemed to be most likely to be smartest also tallest and certainly devoid of any major, deformities or genetic diseases that one gets picked that one gets implanted either in the mother or as it's become more popular a surrogate and[54:44] then you have this kind of slow rolling process of eugenics This is already being done.And one of the major companies is Genomic, what is it, I believe it's Genomic Prediction, if I have the name right.And that was a startup funded by our boy Sam Altman from OpenAI, and they offer a sophisticated polygenic risk score test that includes IQ.It doesn't include positive IQ scores, but what it can weed out is the lowest 2% in IQ, or the lowest 2% in height is one of the things they offer, right?And so you've got this sort of soft eugenics, what's called liberal eugenics by the scholar Nicholas Agar.But liberal eugenics is not state enforced, it's choice, it's freedom, right?I have the freedom to eugenicize my child and the next generation.So looking at those statistics, you see the significant portion of the population that has enthusiasm for it.And that tracks with a previous poll that was published, I believe, last year from Pew, which found that people, it was like roughly a third, if I'm not mistaken, roughly a third of people would be willing to use genetic engineering[56:06] to eliminate a disease.And some other, I believe it was also roughly a third, said that they would be willing to implant a digital device into their child's brain in order to give them increased intelligence.I'm a little fuzzy, it's been a minute since I've looked at that, but it's significant enough to push this forward.And you have the possibility of it, right? You have the technological possibility of it.Some of it just over the horizon, some of it right here.So going back to the idea, well, is AI going to kill us all?I think it's you know it represents the the people who are going to want to put a halt to AI and the people who are at least going to want to regulate it or to boycott any corporation working on it those are going to fall into that half that cares right that half is afraid the other half is going to be much more likely to either not care and dismiss it or perhaps be enthusiastic about it with a lot of overlap, but this is kind of I'm not much of a futurist look at any of my track records for girlfriends gambling or elections, but I[57:21] do think that what you do see is enough social momentum enough acceptance on the part of the population at large large that should these technologies actually be effective, you'll have a significant proportion who will want it. And even if they aren't entirely effective, even if it's just some sort of half-baked version of it, they will be willing to accept and adopt it. And so I don't see this going away at all. Again, barring nuclear war or an EMP, I just don't see it going away, there is a growing enthusiasm for the techno cult we call transhumanism and a growing acceptance of the kind of dictatorial social structure we call technocracy. And I sense that it is a fast-growing religion, and it will continue to impact those of us who want nothing to do with it. We have to learn to deal with it. We have to learn how to resist it effectively and and not just this year and next year, but across generations.[58:27] Yeah, no, absolutely. Joe, I appreciate you coming on.I've thoroughly enjoyed watching you on the War Room.I enjoyed meeting up with you at CPAC.And just for the viewers that they can find you, this will be going out Monday the 17th, the American Freedom Alliance Conference.I had the privilege of going to one back in June called Propaganda, and you'll be speaking at the World War III, the early years, 22nd to 23rd of April.So there are tickets available.You can go to the website, americanfreedomalliance.org and get a ticket.If you're over there on the West Coast, then I would really encourage the viewers or listeners to go and make it a trip because you'll thoroughly enjoy it from listening to Steve Bannon, Joe Allen, and everyone else in between. So Joe, thank you for your time today.
Thank you very much, Peter. And just for your listeners, anyone who wants to go, promo code Joe, get a discount.So I would love to meet anyone who's over in that area. Come on down.But yeah, Peter, I really, really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me on.It was absolute, it was fantastic meeting you in DC. Great time, hope to see you again.