Hearts of Oak Podcast

In Conversation With . . . Robert W Malone MD

While attending CPAC in Washington DC I had the honour of being invited to guest host for the wonderful folks at Lindell TV and on the list of people I was scheduled to talk to is someone who I have interviewed a couple of times before and has since become a friend, Robert W Malone MD.While catching up off camera, Robert was telling me all about his new studio he has built at his home and if I had time I must come and see it.Not one to turn down such a gracious invitation, I jumped at the chance and then spent a couple of wonderful days with Jill and Robert at their home.While checking out the new studio we sat down for an impromptu discussion, starting off with his new book and going onto many subjects, touching on Matt Hancock and the UK WhatsApp files, the chances of future prosecution for those spearheading the COVID pandemic and listen out for some wise words on our mindset and how we move forward when all trust seems to of been eroded. Robert W Malone MD is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines, while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988.His research was continued at Vical in 1989, where the first in-vivo mammalian experiments were designed by him.The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and Vical by Dr. Malone.The initial patent disclosures were written by Robert in 1988-1989.He was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989. This work results in over 10 patents and numerous publications, yielding about 7000 citations for this work.Dr. Malone has extensive research and development experience in the areas of pre-clinical discovery research, clinical trials, vaccines, gene therapy, bio-defense, and immunology. He has over twenty years of management and leadership experience in academia, pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries, as well as in governmental and non-governmental organizations.Robert specializes in clinical research, medical affairs, regulatory affairs, project management, proposal management (large grants and contracts), vaccines and biodefense. This includes writing, developing, reviewing and managing vaccine, bio-threat and biologics clinical trials and clinical development strategies.His proposal development work has yielded clients billions of dollars.He holds numerous fundamental domestic and foreign patents in the fields of gene delivery, delivery formulations, and vaccines.'Lies My Gov't Told Me: And the Better Future Coming' Available from Amazon.....https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lies-My-Govt-Told-Me-ebook/dp/B09R4YD4MP/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=robert+w+malone&sr=8-1Follow and support Dr Malone.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/rwmalonemdTWITTER: https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD?s=20WEBSITE: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/https://maloneinstitute.org/SUBSTACK: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/Interview recorded 7.3.23
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[0:24] Robert Malone, it's wonderful to be back with you.
 
Thanks for being here in the studio and taking the time to travel here to Virginia.
 
Not at all. Is this the first in-studio interview you've done?
Yeah, since the studio's been set up, I've done a bunch of hits, obviously, broadcasting directly, but not having somebody here in the studio. Very early before we had all the infrastructure, there was an interview for Epoch Times, but that'll come out in some future documentary I'm told.
 
Looking forward to it. Before we get on the book, CPAC, we bumped into each other at CPAC and interest in CPAC, but from your involvement, because CPAC obviously is a political event and you're there walking down media row and everyone wanting a piece of you.[1:18] What's that like? Everyone turns their head and everyone recognizes you.Everyone recognizes you.
 
Yeah, it's especially at CPAC, perhaps more than almost any other venue. And this is my third time speaking at CPAC. So the first time was in Orlando and that was a wake up call.I had no idea that I had this level of recognition in the conservative circles.CPAC is a funny place because it's people that are politically active that are very committed to the conservative movement of the United States.And increasingly CPAC has become almost an international hub of conservatism.So it's a biased sample.What happens in CPAC is not what happens in most places. And so it's a special place, but a little bit weird.What is it like?I don't know how to describe it. It's almost surreal, very odd. The[2:35] endorsement, support, encouragement, and particularly the people that come up and say things like, I felt that I was alone, or I felt like I must be crazy and then I heard you and I knew I wasn't.That's really, that gives me a lot of positive feedback to think that I'm actually helping people.The adulation is a little weird and I'm very wary of it.The whole cult of personality thing makes me very uncomfortable because I know how easily that can be perverted.And I also know that just because today this is happening, that has no predictive value of what's gonna be happening a month from now.And it could all go away in a moment. And so I think it's important to maintain perspective.[3:35] In what I try to do is focus on the mission and focus on helping people.If you stay, I think if you stay grounded in a sense of, this term has become very trendy lately, servant leadership.If you're keeping, if you, what I try to do is keep in my head that I'm in this moment because I'm providing value to people and the moment that I lose control of my ego or start imagining that this has something to do with anything other than this moment in time, then I have lost my own integrity and I won't be true to the mission. So I try really hard to not let it get to my head. And of course, Jill does her best to make sure that I maintain perspective.That's one of the lovely things about having a long time stable partner is they can keep you grounded.
Servant leadership is not a term I would expect to come out of something like CPAC. That political.[4:49] The lights are on, it's showbiz and even sitting, listening to some radio interviews and the level of respect and I guess adoration that people have for what you do.
It's a little weird, there's kind of a folk hero aspect to it.The tension for me is that people need role models.And they kind of need heroes. And this all gets wrapped up in the Joseph Campbell hero's journey, a narrative that surrounds all of us. It seems to almost be hardwired into our DNA.And I'm very conscious that there's an aspect here that's recreating the hero's journey, including the trials and tribulations in the time when the hero goes into the unknown and has to come out hopefully with wisdom that they can then share.I mean, this is the hero's journey laid out by Campbell.And I find myself unconsciously recapitulating that.And I see it in many of my colleagues.[6:05] But it is so easy, as I see it again and again, for people to get wrapped up in a sense of self-importance.And the other one that can really compromise people's perspective is all of us have set aside our careers.[6:28] All of us have, all the way down, the labour that has had their income compromised because of lockdown.You know, everybody has had, well, except for the elite, right?We've had this massive upward transfer of wealth.But for most folks, this has been really hard times. And so it's natural to want to make a buck to recover.You know, for instance, if you're a high profile physician and you've lost your practice.And so that siren song of making money and doing things to make money can easily lead you down pathways that you may not be aware you're walking that road until suddenly it's got you.And I've seen that happen also.And I'm really... Jill and I have been very, very conscious of that risk.And this is why in our substack, we don't charge.[7:33] People can voluntarily pay, but we make the information available to everybody.Yeah, it would be really neat to have 300,000 paying subscribers.Number one, that would never happen.And number two, it's contrary to the mission. Yeah, I'm not Joe Rogan.Memo to self, I'm not Joe Rogan![8:00] So I think it's hard but super important to stay focused on this moment in time and this mission of trying to help.[8:11] Hence the servant leader mission space, as if you don't, it is so easy for all of these forces to corrupt you.You have people wanting to touch, wanting to shake your hand, wanting to engage with you, wanting to be your business partner, wanting you to do their podcast, come on their show, you know, and all of this gets monetized. It's a little bit of a weird transactional relationship, not in your case, but with many podcasters. Like there's been an estimate that the net value of my appearance on Rogan, which I was very glad to do, it got information out, it had an impact on the world. But for Spotify and Rogan, it was worth a couple hundred thousands of dollars based on the number of hits. I mean, they have these simple equations. And when you hear those kinds of numbers, I didn't get a couple hundred thousand. I didn't get Zed, right? I paid for my trip down there, right? But there's money at play and there's all kinds of forces that are really easy to get lost in. And I think that that's a challenge. That's the problem I have with[9:34] moving through spaces like that, like we were talking about CPAC, is all of this comes at you in,[9:46] and it's useful if you are seeking, if your objective is to build your brand and to monetize it.It's a window of opportunity if that's what you want to do.But as I'm saying, if you go down that path, you quickly find yourself making decisions that will compromise people's, they'll compromise your objectivity and your genuineness.And I think that's the key thing that I've learned through all of this, is people are just craving genuine.So much is synthetic in their world.And particularly in the media. You know, it's, I have somehow, together with Jill, found ourselves, because of a set of circumstances, a very odd set of circumstances, in this weird position of being able to influence the tide of human events in some way.And that's a gift and a burden.[10:56] Yeah, well, I want to, can I ask you a different question about you that haven't got asked before?It's Lies My Government Told Me, will touch on the better future coming after, and just out, just before Christmas. And I thought it was a very large book. And then I thought, actually, it's probably very small. Lies My Government.
That's the criticism. It should be as big as the Encyclopedia Britannica.It was actually twice that size. And when I turned it into Tony Lyons, his acerbic comment was.[11:31] well, this will sell well for those who need a doorstep, but no one's actually going to read it.And so they went to their credit, Skyhorse and Children's Health Defense, pulled together a team that just went on a marathon editing effort because everybody wanted to get it out before Christmas.And so unfortunately, a number of chapters, particularly chapters from the first section that were sharing personal anecdotes about what it was like to be a frontline physician, for instance, got dropped. And I regret that. But that was out of my hands. And then some of the other chapters got condensed. And then the one that I could never properly rewrite was the one about mRNA because for me it's all so technical and it was, you know, I kept getting this feedback nobody is going to read this and the anybody who does is not going to understand it.[12:33] And so I'd make an attempt to rewrite and then I would get the same feedback. So eventually what happened was that somebody from Skyhorse had to step in and rewrite that chapter and kind of make it easier reading.
Tell me about getting it published. I didn't dare to hold it up.I held it up and it wasn't in.But I mean, there are a couple of questions. One is probably why write it?Because there's a lot of information out there.And you were already doing lots of media work. So you're getting the story out.But you decide to spend, I mean, never done this, but I assume it's a heck of a lot of time.
It's about a year for Jill and I.
Okay.
 
So the genesis of the book...
 
This was pre-substack. so it was fine?
No, actually it was,So that's,This is intimate, This is woven into the sub-stacks.So I'm asked by Tony in Sky Horse and Bobby Kennedy to edit Bobby's book, The Real Anthony Fauci.And that was an earlier draft.[13:49] That was a heavy lift, both time-wise and psychologically. For me, I thought I had known a lot about Tony Fauci.I've looked at him my entire career. I've been younger than him, but he's always been the big kahuna in infectious disease throughout my entire career, starting from the earliest days when the laboratory where I cut my teeth was working on the AIDS vaccine.[14:22] Back in 80, starting in 83.
And that's a whole other conversation.
 
And so, so I thought I had known, you know, cause I sit on these study sections in the office of the study section chair.I spent a ton of time hanging out in NIH and dealing with their stuff.And, and thought I knew a lot of the inside scoop on the way things are.But after the first read on Bobby's book, I was depressed for two weeks.It was just like, oh my God, the burden of just becoming aware of how deeply corrupted everything is.And then they liked my detailed edits that were not just content, but also I'm a reasonably good editor for language.And then they wanted me to edit again with the next version did and then after the you know, the big scrum and rush to get it out the door.[15:30] Tony Lyons asked me to think about writing my own book and, Jill and I talked about it. The problem is there isn't much money in publishing a book these days and so we said well, you know naively well, what would the advance be?And modest is an understatement. Overstatement. Modest is an overstatement. You know, it's a couple thousand bucks and we're like, well, this is going to be a heavy lift and there's no way we can afford to take the time to write this book with this kind of revenue model. It just makes no sense at all. You know, we do try to,[16:12] we had to live on the edge forever and run our small consulting business and we're very attuned to cash flow as probably you are too?Well, yes.
 
People listening to that.
 
Oh, yes. We all are.
Right? And so, Around that time Steve Kirsch, this is before the Rogan hit, and I was still on Twitter.
 
Did you use the black horse interview the three of you?Did you have that interview with you and Brett was that before?
 
Yeah, so so after yeah, it was way before Rogan. Okay Um, so and and I actually looked up my very first podcast was in February of 21.[16:53] With a woman named Dr. Aaron Stair who does a podcast as Dr. Eekes.And my very first podcast, it turns out, was about antibody-dependent enhancement in the vaccines.So that's a kind of historic marker, so we'd already done the Dark Horse thing, which was kind of a breakthrough.[17:19] And Steve calls me up one day. Steve Kirsch can be very effervescent.
I've had him on once, and enjoyed it.
 
Very enthusiastic guy, and he's like, and he knows that we have, I'm destroying my, I've essentially destroyed my consumption.And so, so Steve calls up and says, Hey, there's this thing, Substack, and I've gotten on it.And he says, I've made $30,000 in the last month. And you really got to get on this.And we were like, well, $30,000 a month, that sounds like real money to me.
And this was mid-2021, was it, or?
It was like early fall.And I'd never heard of Substack, but maybe a little bit.It was on the fringes. That's in Substack. That doesn't mean that it's anything real.And then Steve calls up and says, you've got to get on this thing.And so we launched that and that's kind of percolating along.And then I get deplatformed. And in parallel, we started on GETTR,[18:32] knowing that there was this chronic risk, I was busy basically self-censoring on Twitter to try to avoid getting deplatformed.And I posted a link to the World Economic Forum's, the little circular diagram they have of all their different policy positions, and a link to the Canadian COVID Care Alliance video on the Pfizer vaccine trials that had the title Safe and Effective question mark.And I still think it's a fantastic video covering all of the nuances that were known then about Pfizer trials and the misrepresentation, the deleted data and other things.[19:28] And suddenly, about two days before I go on Rogan, I'm deplatformed from both LinkedIn and Twitter.That was the third time I was deplatformed from LinkedIn. Steve Kirsch had Buddy, who is a vice president at LinkedIn, who saved me the prior two times.And I had personal correspondence with him. Yeah, because it's all a Microsoft problem.And so I'm already on GETTR.I get deplatformed on Twitter and LinkedIn just before the Rogan hit.[20:07] Rogan rushes the release, accelerates the timeline. So like two days after we did the hit, he dumps it on New Year's Eve of 2021.All right, is that right? 2021. New Year's. And the substack subscriptions and the GETTR connections just go boom. And I've never seen anything like it and suddenly were launched.And so it was a kind of this cascade of events that there's no way I could reproduce it.It was just, you know, like a lot of things being the right place at the right time and having things put in place.And then we were approached about writing the book and perplexed about how to do it.There was a history, a century or more ago in British literature, a lot of things were serialized in the kind of like local little publication flyers that would be circulating in London.[21:32] And so I thought, well, okay, maybe what we can do is use substack as a way to serialize is the building of the book by a chapter by chapter basis.And so that's what we did of necessity. And one of the consequences is that because we're writing it in the moment, each of these chapters, as a substack essay, Jill and I together, and discussing all the latest news and everything, as you've seen us do in the morning over coffee,It's full of details that there is no way I could recapture. If I had to start writing this book right now, there's no way I would remember all that stuff. And about the same time, Bannon was saying that he was making the point that everything is getting memory holed.And he was making comments on his show, which I was on periodically, that the only surviving artefacts of this period in time are going to be written text. That everything is going to get censored and memory hold and we've seen that happening even with the Wayback Machine.[22:50] And that it's really important to capture these things in the form of the written word.And that his posse that he's assembled, these people, really love written text. And that there was a market for this. And so we just persevered and had a couple of quote vacation trips. We were away from the farm and able to kind of focus. And one of them involved some people that were very seasoned, experienced writers. And so we were able to get coaching and feedback from them and talked about the structure of the book. And that's when it really got going.And pulling these chapters together. And then of course the chapters had to be rewritten because they were written in that moment in time and they have to be restructured.And then trying to figure out how to pull all this, really almost stream of consciousness writing together in a way that made sense.The epiphany was to structure it using the metaphor of how a physician approaches a patient.[23:58] Where when the patient comes to you, the way I've been trained, is the first thing you do is you take history and physicals. So you say, what is your chief complaint? What's your pain point? What are the things that are bothering you? And then you do some tests and you examine the patient. And then you have a period of time where you have to synthesize that and say, what is the diagnosis or the series of diagnoses and what's going on with this patient? What is causing their pain?And then you have to come up with a treatment plan. How are you gonna mitigate their pain?How are you gonna treat them for whatever their ailment and their chief complaint is?And so the epiphany was, oh, why don't we use this as a way to structure the book?So the first third is basically first person accounts of people saying, this is my pain.This is what I've experienced. This is what this has been like to me.Which I think is really cool for people that haven't been at the forefront and on the front battle lines to see kind of what it's like.What is it like through Paul Merrick's eyes to have his career destroyed?[25:03] What is it like for someone who, there's a chapter in there from a Chicago lawyer, who has always been a philanthropist, often a advocate for liberal causes in the city of Chicago that had bought a non-profit paper, and had written a essay about the vaccine and the problems with the vaccination based on, triggered by his own experiences in his family and what he had seen that had kind of, woken him up about this.And then had his own damn paper, refused to publish it and go through and edit it and everything in his kind of outrage about that whole experience.So there's just a bunch of these kind of first person, this is what I experienced, this is what it's like.And then it was this whole chasing down every rabbit hole we could think of about what the heck gave rise to this.What was really behind it? And[26:12] Ernst Wolf was a chapter that got dropped because we couldn't get his permission.He's a German economist who was really way out front in the theories around the role of the central banks and the economics behind all of this.And then Ed Dowd, you know, I brought that to Ed's attention that I had met in Hawaii early on when we did a rally there and brought him into this matrix of...
I'd love to do rallies in Hawaii? It's beautiful.
 
Oh, it was amazing.It was amazing. Yeah, that was a, it's like 10% of the population in Maui came out.It was one of the biggest rallies we've ever done. Early on, and then we went from there to Pearl Harbor and then spoke on Oahu.Not quite as big a rally. There was some key organizers that had done prior rallies in Maui.[27:20] So that's where we met Ed. So I sent Ed the Ernst Wolff essays about Ernst's interpretation of the economics behind this.And Ed was, his response was, you know, this is pretty much the way I've been seeing it, but I haven't been able to verbalize it. And this is so much more clear.And so we ended up with a chapter from Ed in the book. And I was very influenced in parts by things I learned from Steve Bannon.And, you know, as you know, whatever you think of Steve, he has a great grasp of history.And he was able to mention some historic precedents that then triggered me, and I went back and researched those same things like events around Watergate, etc. and the Nixon administration and other historic examples that kind of tie into this whole government weaponization of propaganda against their own citizenry and Operation Paperclip and that kind of Mockingbird and those kinds of things. So that's the middle part. The hardest part to write was the third part.[28:35] Because yeah, the better future coming. The genesis of that part was that Tony Lions had come up with the title,together talking to some others in the network of writers and experienced authors.And everybody loved The Lies My Government Told Me. You know, what's not to like about that?That's red meat, right? But it was so negative. It was so grim. And I just did not want to put out a book that was just dark. And so I insisted that we put a tagline on the back. And that's hence the better future coming. And then I had to write the damn thing. I had to write what is the better future, right? Which was the hardest part of the whole thing. So that third part is the prescription.What can we do about this? And it goes into things that we can do about the administrative state, the corruption that exists within HHS, the revolving door, all of those kinds of details.[29:39] There's some comments in there in terms of the lies that I got from Scott Atlas from a presentation that he made at MIT, which he's now kind of recapitulated in this new Newsweek article that's just come out.And so those are incorporated in there as key lies, these various things that are clearly, you know, I originally thought they were intended as noble lies in the historic Greek philosopher's sense.
 
Can I, because what is it like to be so vindicated? Because you've spent the last year putting this together and this was all happening before the great revealing. We'll touch on that a little bit, over the last couple of months you were already doing the hard work. And then as you're putting this out, you're realizing the media are beginning to admit and catch on.So what is that like for you to put together something like this? And then for the media, who have attacked you continuously to say, you're right, not admit you're right.
No, they don't say you're right. They never say that,
No, no. Yeah. So I wrote an essay about that and our substack it's one of our most popular. I think the top one is about
[31:08] this being the greatest experiment in human history.But another one of the top ones is my open letter to the Canadian truckers.But my essay on what is it like to be vindicated basically makes the point, in many ways, I would prefer I wasn't.It would have been a lot better if I was wrong.And we didn't have this massive human tragedy.And it has been hurtful, because you can't deny that. To be defamed by the fringe conspiracy theorists, some of whom you thought were your allies, as well as by corporate media is not a lot of fun.And there's been times when I've been frankly suicidal. I have if I'm going to be honest.Particularly when people that I thought were with me then started attacking me.That was really hard for me to come to terms with.[32:20] It's been a really steep learning curve to come to terms with the kind of fundamental evil modern media. And the complete lack of integrity and, you know, ethics. That's another one of the chapters is about the New York Times. And my experience with that essay, which appears to have been written by someone that was probably funded by the government as part of those initiatives, and right after their interview and publication with me, they left the New York Times. And all indications are that they did have connections with the intelligence community, because they had intimate detailed understanding of status with the CIA. So, a complete unwillingness to even look at the paths, let alone mention them in the attack art, which has been kind of a consistent theme with the Atlantic Monthly and the other ones.[33:30] Um, it's it was really hard, I think, for Jill and I to come to terms with the ethics and the fundamental evil of modern media and into being in a position, I don't want to say victimized, because I hate taking the role of being a victim. You know, I really counsel people against doing that better to become a warrior than a victim. But that's been kind of my own part of my key journey is maybe we were talking about the hero's journey early on. One of the journeying into the unknown for me has been throwing myself into modern media and alternative media and coming to grips with what I encountered. How do you process that? How do you process a ecosystem that is fundamentally evil and just grinds people up like their input for a sausage and with no accountability, never an apology or acknowledgement of the evil that they do to others and the damage that they do. It's just part of how they do business. That, you know, there was a book that I cited here.[34:58] That a key mentor gave to me that is something like the Journalist and the Murderer, I think is the title. And it's an essay about the legal case that was brought, it was a defamation case, by a convicted murderer against the journalists that had basically taken advantage of him and gained his confidence and then wrote a series of very high-profile but very ugly stories that they got good coverage on.And this then was examined, this case was examined by a New York Times author, you know, who is normally a New York Times writer.[35:47] But then wrote a book about this, about basically the dynamic that gets set up repeatedly between investigative journalists and what are really their targets, the people that they're investigating.And they have a tendency to try to seduce you. And at first, so I would get like this happened with the Atlantic Monthly, oh, I just want to tell your story, right? As soon as I can tell you, If somebody says, I just want to tell your story, the proper response is click, hang up the phone.Okay, there is no other response. There's a cluster of tricks that I've now come to understand journalists use repeatedly in trying to gain your confidence. And I'm now to the point where I'm very wary about who I talk to because even people that you think might be your friends, there's as I've become more high-profile, I'm a, great target. It's a business model to raise outrage and come up with claims about me because you can get many people, you know, people loved gossip.[37:08] And so anything that they can gossip about, they'll latch on and they'll get clicks and views and subscribers and all of that. Very dark. And it's really just a version. It's really the same dynamic from CNN spreading fear porn about monkeypox or outrage about Donald Trump, all the way down to the smallest podcaster that's trying to increase their market share and, their clicks by attacking somebody who is seen as more high profile.It's been an amazing journey.So do I, I don't regret it.I Would Do It Again was the conclusion of my essay and it has been extremely painful.[37:57] And it was worth it.
 
You're probably going to have to do an updated version because the information, is continually coming out and what you've done is a snapshot of the information available.That's contained change and this article in Newsweek by Scott Atlas, I mean he puts down his 10.I mean, for you, as you were going through the lies, I know you said the better future coming was difficult, but the lies are the dark part.When you were going through that, were there one or two that you thought actually that, was the lie at all, was on, or I wasn't expecting that until I really delved deeper or kind of stuck out with you?
So a bunch of them.So the whole thing is a cascade of, what? That doesn't make any sense. I don't get it.I thought that was a conspiracy theory, right?
 
Just gets worse and worse.
Yeah, it does. The deeper you go. And the metaphor is the one from Shrek.You recall ogres are like onions.They have layers, right? That whole storyline, which is profound wisdom.All of this stuff has layers.And the shedding of one's naivete occurs in layers.[39:22] And I'm not sure that I'm down to the stub yet. There are still things that I, you know, you think that the world is supposed to be fair and right and good if you've been brought up a certain way.And then you encounter this stuff. So was there, one of the big ones was early on I hada film crew come here and there were people that had actually travelled, one of them travelled with Trump to Davos. Okay. And they kept talking about the great reset and I was really wary of that.I was like, I don't know anything about this. I don't know Davos.
 
Full on conspiracy.
 
I don't want to comment on this, you know, try to be nice to the film crew and let's just stick to the things that I do know, we talk about the JABs and technology and stuff like that. And then, truth be told, I was kind of brought into the sphere of influence of Children's Health Defense.[40:28] And I think they were a little wary of me. You know, was I the real thing? Was I controlled opposition and all that. And so, Meryl Nass and Mary Holland came down to visit us here at the farm, and spent a couple days up at the house where you are staying right now. And Mary kept talking to Jill and I about this great reset and Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum. And afterwards, after they left, Jill was like, well, I like them, but I don't know, this Mary Hall. And she's, pretty far out there with all that. But at that point, we had enough respect for them. We felt like we had to look into it. And Jill found the book, The Great Reset on Amazon as a paperback and got that and we read through it and it was just the the logic there was squishy at best.[41:35] And, you know, it was real. And then we had to investigate the world economic forum and go down that rabbit hole and understand that.And that led to the Young Leaders Program. This is before the Trudeau truckers event.And we had a colleague here locally that was working with us part time.And we asked, and there'd been another group in Sweden that we were aware of that had done a lot of diligence on the Young Leaders Program and the WEF.[42:11] And so we connected our local person that we hired part-time with them.And then they did this huge deep dive, took a couple of months, collating all of the young leaders.They had to go back into the Wayback Machine and they just searched all kinds of different threads, to create this massive spreadsheet.It's still the most comprehensive spreadsheet of all of the young leaders.And we posted this on our MaloneInstitute.org site as a Excel sheet, everybody can download it.[42:43] And search by industry or nation state or person's name or whatever, and find when they graduated, who the other people were in their class, what industry they're in and all of that.So it's all there.And wrote a series of essays about the wef, which are partially condensed in the book.And came to terms with that. And then once you go there, then you have to look into the Jekyll Island story and the central banks and the Bank of International Settlements.And like I said, Ernst Wolf and the whole economics this and in central bank digital currency and then along comes Justin and Christopher Greenland and their little reveal about what this brave new world of finance is really going to be like under digital currency where the government can just push a button and you no longer have a bank account or if you've donated to a cause, it gets redirected.[43:53] Or not made available for that cause because of political pressure.That was all validating. Then it's like the mask came off and we could see the beast, right?And the whole world suddenly went,Wow. And then they almost crashed the Canadian banking system, right?Do you remember that press conference with Christopher Friedland and Justin Trudeau where they said we're going to drop this?Christopher Friedland looks like she's having a nervous break down.[44:28] It's a fascinating case of watching body language. They, it's like they disclosed to us a financial nuclear weapon and had deployed it, you know, the metaphor using a tank to shoot squirrels.They deployed it prematurely against these peaceful protests that were guilty of the sin of parking their trucks and honking their horns, right?And for that sin, they decided this was the moment to show the whole world that the Canadian banking system was not a secure place to deposit your Chinese money.If you're a Chinese heiress or whatever, right?It was no longer a safe harbor. And then the whole world kind of went, oh, if the Canadian banking system isn't a safe harbor, what is?And I think I've heard people say it was the greatest advertisement for cyber currency in the history of the world, right?For Bitcoin. Yeah, so it's been a long strange trip for sure to quote the greatful dead And um..[45:55] Another book. So we continue to push out the substack. Yeah. Yeah. And Jill and I debate[46:02] almost daily about whether the next book is more personal biography.
 
People love your journey.
 
Yeah, they love this. The personal story of us. You know, we now passed our 44th wedding anniversary the other day. And, you know, we're high school sweethearts and that whole arc of history.
 
That's on your Wikipedia. Goodness, that little bit's left.
 
Is it?
 
Your childhood sweethearts. Yes. Oh, that's been added. Yeah, apparently I haven't looked at Wikipedia. I got so fed up with Wikipedia and Jill's head just explodes whenever she sees it. So we just try not to look at it because it's been so highly edited. And fascinating backstory to that is that it's a lot of that entertainment has been by a person called the sock puppet by the name of Philip Cross, which there's another wiki that some most people don't know about called Wiki Spooks.
Okay. So that's a good tip, always good to check out Wiki Spooks when you're dealing with the 77th Brigade or[47:10] any of these names because it's an archive of the whole intelligence community globally, that people have built instead of Wiki. And they have their opinions about me too, but they, If you look up the Robert Malone page in Wiki Spooks, they go deep into who Philip Cross is.And apparently this person edits, it's one of the top editors for Wikipedia.They edit seven days a week, basically 24 hours a day.And their personal image is literally a sock puppet.[47:47] Okay. That's the clip that they have for their picture as a Wiki editor.And according to Wikispooks, this is an MI5 operation.And it's just a pseudonym for a group of people that have been, you know, they edit.I've now to the point where if your Wikipedia page has not been raped in this way, you're probably not trustworthy.
Completely. I want to ask you about this book which you contributed, Rise of the Fourth Reich, and you're one of the contributors.But this concept of Nuremberg trial, this concept of those who have done this, and we've seen a lot of the leaks, whether they are leaks or not, coming out.Matt Hancock, who was Health Minister in the UK.
 
Yeah, that's the big one.
That's the big one at the moment, but that's the tip of the iceberg.But this whole thing about Nuremberg trial, about those who are guilty of these crimes having to pay for it, be punished.Where do you think that's going to go? Do you think we're ever going to have that?[49:03] So one of the earliest podcast recordings I did was with Reiner Fuellmich.A lot of people aren't aware of that.When he was very early in his investigations this German lawyer who also has a license to practice in the States, I think he can, in California. And there was a whole group around him that were pursuing this idea of an indictment for a Nuremberg 2.[49:34] And when I interviewed with him, the person immediately preceding me, I thought, was a little off the rails because they were citing the US Army and CIA manuals on PsyOps.Of course, now we all know that that's exactly what's going on in the fifth generation warfare.But at the time, I thought this was just a little bit too fringy for me.And it shows how times change.
 
Well, we are all into it now.
And so Fuellmich was the spearhead, really the tip of the spear in pushing this Nuremberg 2 concept, at least in my experience.And it all blew up like about half a year ago with accusations that Reiner Fuellmich was controlled opposition.And on the basis of sketchy evidence and imprints, it's remarkably parallel to[50:42] the recent events with Project Veritas and James O'Keefe. But there was a rejection of of Reiner Fuellmich, Reiner Fuellmich carried forward, that committee carried forward independently, and that whole thing got diffused.I'm completely convinced that there actually are infiltrators that are agents of disruption.And I've written about one of them that was originally identified by Children's Health Defence of things that unfortunately used to work for[51:22] And I don't think he was aware of her prior history of the Nuremberg's.But they're out there. Yeah. And they seek, and there's some very active in Europe, that seek to infiltrate and disrupt and destroy these initiatives. Do I think that a Nuremberg 2 might ever take place? That would require a willingness within the European community in particular to allow a legal case to proceed, right, under an international court.And that's as much a political question as a legal question. And right now I don't see any appetite for it. I don't see any appetite for accountability with the possible, except what was the name of the person that's in the UK that you were just referencing with these WeChat or whatever.
 
So with Matt Hancock, who was the health secretary.
 
Yeah, so Matt Hancock, if there is any accountability being the cynic that I am having spent too many years dealing with DZ, it will be some convenient fall guy that'll be thrown under the bus and Matt Hancock kind of fits the profile.
 
He fits that kind of useful idiot. That's kind of what he's been portrayed as and he went and looked at celebrity status and they sent him on to[52:51] I'm a celebrity get me out of here and he was there and then he came back and it looked as like he was being rehabilitated and suddenly all this information comes out and he's low enough to throw him under the bus and save the government.
 
Yeah and the question is will people be satisfied with the bone?Will the thing that is pending,[53:20] that I'm hearing about is that some of the large NGOs non-governmental organizations that have played a key role in this are now being clearly identified for the, activities that they have engaged in okay that if I'm choosing my words That have contributed to the gross mismanagement, whether it's social distancing, lockdown, mask use, or that thing, the vaccine products, that is so controversial right now. But I think that I don't think there are many who can credibly deny the governmental overreach around the lockdowns and social distancing and mask, agendas, masking agendas, the shutdown of churches here in the United States, those are all clearly government overreach. And the, I argue that the weaponized[54:29] denigration of early treatment is is responsible for at a minimum hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and so if you are one of these large NGOs and you're facing a public relations nightmare what are you going to do and or if you're a American political party and you're facing congressional inquiries about and if there was to build enough momentum that this is where the lovely things for the administration in terms of the logic that for democracy to survive there must be censorship. Right? Is this media control, this massive, profound level of corporate media control. They can shape reality.[55:32] As former CIA directors have identified as a specific objective of being able to shape reality and craft public opinion. So they clearly can do that now for a large fraction of the population and they have been successful in doing it. So if there is sufficient momentum where the natives get restless, then the logical DC strategy would be, as you say, turning somebody in the bus. Who would be large enough to deflect criticism from more senior, currently serving government officials and leaders of large NGOs. And I think that Tony Fauci is the one.[56:24] And he's, you know, getting a huge pension, made a huge salary, his wife is still is in NIH head of bioethics, but his power base of being able to influence as he has done, there's clear smoking gun evidence of paying off virologists with very large grants, $1 million grants to flip their story about the lab leak, for instance, and his intimate involvement in propagating the falsehoods around the natural origin of this virus, the well-documented interactions between him and Jeremy Perard, and the use of burner phones, and all of this franticness around trying to cover up things in the initial phase, It just reeks of complicity at a minimum, and awareness, and an active attempt to obscure truth.So, does, you know, do we get to a point where there's enough of a concern that someone has gotta get thrown under.[57:42] In a more global sense?I don't know. It could be. A lot depends, my sense is there's more anger growing in the EU than there is in the United States.I think it is funny way, United States has become so jaded about their politics that there is a kind of a numbness.Of course they are manipulating things. Of course we can't trust them.Of course they have lied to us. What else would you expect them to do?And everybody just kind of passes it off as, you know, normal business practice in DC, in the kind of normal Kabuki theatre that DC is famous for.But what I'm hearing,In my brief travels that I'm always susceptible to confirmation bias, being around people who are activists or are awake, then it makes you think that everybody is.[58:48] But because in New York, I mean, you had everyone, my worry is that there be a couple of, medium to lower profile figures who, or maybe one person, but being in Europe, I walked around and looked at the museum there, all the top of the trials, and it was to punish those who had committed wrong. It wasn't to punish one person using them as a scapegoat, everyone who did wrong, and I want them all punished. So I don't know if we'll get to that point, I think, except they'll get a pass.
 
Except the people that are guilty are so, it's such a large group. And we don't have, one of the things the dynamics in Nuremberg 1 is, you know, victory is history is written by the victors, right? And so we had the allies doing the prosecuting and the vanquished were the defendants. Here we have the world leaders are the guilty, right? Who is the equivalent of the conquering allies? There's nothing like that. There is these transnational organizations and the capital behind them and their various organs of influence and control.[1:00:12] And they're all still there. They're all still fully empowered.Why you know, they're there,I don't see how we end up with an environment where there is political appetite for accountability.[1:00:30] Unless you know and that's that was my point in the Carlton Club to the conservative MPs was if you don't, release the pressure functionally and acknowledge the harms that have been done and, and seek to provide compensation, restitution and[1:00:54] some pathway to recovery for the harms that have been done economically and physically medically. You risk an upswelling of anger that you cannot control. And the, longer you postpone it, the higher the probability that there is going to be some abrupt event where people's tolerance is exceeded. And there seems to be the belief that we're never going to reach that because we have so much control over information that we don't have to worry about it. We can completely control the narrative and there's no way that we're gonna be able to be held accountable because we'll just find ways to diffuse it or deflect it or whatever and I gotta say that the data suggests they're right.So I don't know, that's why I've been trying so hard to message, and it's a tight wire for me, because of the accusation that I'm of controlled opposition, to try to use, you know, we were talking earlier about the kind of burden of responsibility of having this level of profile and recognition. And my desire to use it for good and to use it for healing.[1:02:22] And our society has been torn asunder. There's no hiding that by the events.And if they, the more that people become aware of what has been done to them, the more likely we are to have social unrest and disruption, and all the consequences of that.Do we want revolution?Is revolution a good way to change?Is revolution an appropriate response? Because a lot of people want it. They are angry, and they want to fight, and they want to punish, and they want to hate. The hate level is just so high, and it's like a monster. That's why I love the Yates, the second coming, The beast slouching towards Bethlehem would be born is this upwelling of hate.And it is slinking along looking for a target.I don't think that gets us to the better future.[1:03:43] If anybody understands how sucky it is to be subjected to the propaganda and the attacks and vilification, it would be me. Not belittling anybody else, but certainly I've experienced that in its full glory. And I don't forgive my persecutors, but I don't hate them.[1:04:13] Somebody early, you know, had so many people counselling me, you know, hate the process, don't hate the individual. Hate the culture maybe, but don't hate the person.
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. Okay. Yeah, a lot of this does come down to people who went through it in a strange way. And all the logic of evil and the many levels of hell and all those metaphors. So I can fully understand people's pain and anger about, having to do with how they've been treated and the you know this logic that was propagated functionally advocating for concentration camp, isolation, isolation in home, the damage to business, you're not being able to worship in church or to congregate the direct targeting, you know, this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated.The unvaccinated are responsible for killing your grandmother.[1:05:38] The children, unmasked children are responsible for killing granny.[1:05:44] Remember, that's one of the things that's in the book is, it's captured, it's one of the Easter eggs for the aficionado's is the Yale University prospective randomized clinical trial that tested in 10 separate randomized groups messaging for what would be most effective. Essentially, they clinically tested the propaganda messaging.
[1:06:06] For before they had a jab, before they ever had a vaccine. They tested the propaganda messaging that would cause you to be most likely to take a vaccine and to convince other people in your social circle to take a vaccine. They tested that through a prospective randomized clinical trial at Yale, which it's not disclosed who funded it. It's like 600 people. That's not a cheap date.Okay. A 600 person randomized clinical trial with a six month follow-up is a minimum of a few million.Okay, could be more than that, but it's not a cheap date to run that study.Somebody dropped a lot of money on Yale to figure out the right propaganda messaging.And it's from that that we get the stuff that you saw deployed on CNN with Sesame Street.That's Big Bird, right? It was all pre-tested.Okay? And what it is, if you unpack it, is it's surreptitious advertising[1:07:16] by the government for a unlicensed experimental medical product to be deployed in children.I mean, if you go 40,000 feet, look down, unpack it, the stuff that's been done is obscene.And it certainly merits anger. To be told that you're responsible for somebody else's parents' death, is grossly irresponsible and it's violent. It's violence against people, and it's totally understandable that they're pissed off and want retaliation.Want that Nuremberg. Want to see people hanging from trees. And the problem is that if you, number one, that kind of anger will just destroy your soul and it will just corrode you.It's like acid. And the other problem is that if you keep that anger inside of you, you can never reach those people that are in that persuadable middle.And those that are awake, like those that we're probably just talking to, I doubt anybody else is going to listen to this. Those that are awake, we're basically preaching to the choir.[1:08:43] Are already convinced. So all we're doing is reinforcing them in many cases. And they may be[1:08:51] 20 to 30 percent of the population. That is not a majority. Right? We don't win elections with 20 to 30 percent of the people. Somehow we've got to get, you know, there's as Huxley, we were just earlier going over that video of Huxley from 62 in an interview in which he was presciently saying 20% of the people are completely resistant to hypnosis, 20% of people can be hypnotized with[1:09:16] a feather basically, and the remaining 60% are in a gradient between those two. And he argues that this is good for society. Society needs some fraction of people that are easily convinced[1:09:29] to go along with whatever the narrative is or the thing or the society wants. And it's useful for society to have a fraction of people who are never able to be convinced that are always basically a bunch of stray cats going their own way. These are the libertarians. And then the rest to be in some spectrum of the heat makes the case is it's adaptive in terms of social organization, which is why it's probably there, innately maintained in adaptive balance. But the point is that those of us that are in the difficult to hypnotize and awake grouparen't going to win if we just hate and hold anger in our souls as we can never convince those that are in the persuadable middle unless we approach them with an open heart. And I've said repeatedly, this is a lesson from years of consulting, no one will trust you if you don't trust them. No client will ever confer trust on you if you approach them from the base of assuming that they may be controlled opposition or whatever the thing is, right? This is the problem with the whole storyline of controlled opposition. I know of a high-profile person that leads a major[1:10:56] bonafide anti-vax group, a very successful one, who makes the case that well at least those that are asserting that others are controlled opposition are thinking, so that's a good thing, and that it's adaptive to always be questioning whether somebody else is controlled opposition.The problem with that is that that drives complete breakdown in society because if nobody can trust anybody, then we cannot exist as a social group. And trust, I think, is the foundational thing. That's why it's so harmful when it gets broken in a marriage or any interpersonal relationship. Once trust is broken, the relationship is gone. The only thing you can have left after that is some sort of transactional thing, right, where you're doing business, but even then that becomes exceedingly hard if you lose trust. So I think this is the problem that we now face is, how can we trust the people that have done this to us? How can we open our hearts? And that gets to this, as we were just saying these fundamental religious and frankly Judeo-Christian ethic-based relationship guidance that we've required over millennia.[1:12:24] Whether it's divinely inspired or just the product of human society, collective wisdom over you know millennia, whatever it is the idea that you you have to forgive in order to heal, And one of the things, because I've had many times in my life where I've been hurt by people, doing stuff, you know, you know my story of the origins here, my nervous breakdown of the soul and all that, you know, there's a lot of things I have to be angry about. And there are times when I have wished for revenge. But with the tincture of time, and you know, wisdom from the, living. I love the saying the person who goes seeking revenge should first dig two graves. If you seek revenge it will destroy you. You may or may not succeed in destroying your home but you will definitely lose your soul.[1:13:33] And I think if we're going to heal as a society, even just to the simple transactional level of, building a political majority so we can hold the bad guys responsible and try to make it so this doesn't happen again, you know, try to put laws in place so that we can't have government overreach like this, try to change the laws so that we make it explicitly illegal to breach, we were just talking about Nuremberg, the Nuremberg court Helsinki agreement, the Belmont report, the common rule, these fundamentals of medical ethics that have just been thrown right down the garbage incinerator as if they mattered not at all, so casually we discarded them. Which was the thing that really people ask what did you, you know, what really red-coated you. One of the key things was this willingness to just throw away the fundamentals of biomedical ethics, that we've seen. It's all justified of course because it was such a public health crisis that we couldn't afford the morality of following well-established biomedical ethics.That's the other thing about this, Jill points out a lot, is[1:14:58] we are paying for these public health officers. We're paying for these leaders that were supposed to guide us and were supposed to be trained and experienced and seasoned to the point that they would not overreact, to the point that they would provide us with a mature appropriate response, to a true threat assessment. And instead they lost their minds. They were consumed apparently by fear, greed, I don't know what, but an appropriate public health response was not what we got. We did not get what we paid for.And I think we have a justifiable cause to complain about this.This is why I just loved being in Mexico last week and testifying in the Senate is[1:15:57] we all have our stereotypes about different nations, like we can all agree, and want to poke at the Italians for their corruption, right? I mean, this is universal.You know, the Germans have certain characteristics, the French have certain characteristics, And there's a whole joke about that and the British cook.Right? But what the Mexicans are not supposed to be by stereotype a mature political organization.That's not the stereotype.[1:16:40] And yet the government in Mexico and the president in particular saw what was happening and recognized that there was a lot of propaganda being pushed.And maybe it's, you know, being a Latin American country that, I don't know if you in the UK, they know this little saying, poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States.Right? There's wisdom in that. Right? And so, you know, Mexico has seen American shenanigans, United States shenanigans, their entire history, right? The truth is we stole California from Mexico. I mean, that's what we did, right? And so, for whatever reason, they were able to provide to their populace a much more mature response.[1:17:39] And to not engage in these egregious breaches of sovereignty and freedom and allowed the, contingent. And it's not that the outcome wasn't that great for Mexico. They're near the top of overall mortality, but they have a population that is quite obese in general, has a lot of, kind of pro-inflammatory diabetes or pre-diabetes, the things that are known to be risk factors.[1:18:18] And they lost a lot of people. It's strange though in Mexico there are sub-populations like people that are more genetically the old Mayan native Indian populations which tend to not be obese.They tend to be shorter, thinner people, had virtually no mortality. So in any case, Mexico is an example that leadership did not have to overreact like they did. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, people don't talk about that. What the heck happened here?[1:18:59] I think this is one of the discussions we have to have is why did the Western governments, particularly the Five Eyes nations, but also Austria overreact on this? And why was it considered acceptable to deploy military grade psy ops on civilian populations by these countries that, you know, those in the, in the, they're really all the British tradition, you know, even in America, we still go back to the common law and Magna Carta were still rooted in British law. And the stereotype was that Great Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United States were all so civilized and freedom-loving and yet they went totally overboard. What the heck happened here?I think that's, the African states didn't fall for that.Not even South Africa kind of gave lip service, but my understanding is in South Africa, vaccine cards, which are really doled out and have no relationship to whether or not what took a jab are the norm.[1:20:27] Yeah, I think we, this, as you point out, this book is a starting point.It's a way to help people along the journey and make their own assessment, which I think any thinking person has an obligation, really, to their children, to society, to try to process what has happened here and think through what is it that we want to do about it, because otherwise they're just going to continue to do it to us. It's power propaganda and fifth generation warfare technology and information control and the logic that it's necessary to preserve democracy.[1:21:11] To have censorship. How perverted is that? All of these Orwellian things and you're here visiting us from the UK, we, I think here in the United States and in the West in general, we owe a huge debt to British culture and British intellectuals. In particular, Huxley and his, and the one, and the person that he mentored Orwell, and their in their prescient awareness of where this thrust towards a centralized global government was going. It's captured in so many of the UN Charter and so many other documents from back in the 40s. And I one of the one of, our followers pointed out to me that I'm very indebted for that, in an early edition of 1984, Orwell wrote a forward, in which he predicted the rise of a pharmaceutical state in which we would all be.Pharmaceutical control to become passive and acceptance. You know, I think a case can be made that we're already doing this with our children, with Ritalin, things like that, they're little boys.[1:22:37] And that in his opinion, the only way to avoid this as the eventual outcome of the totalitarian[1:22:47] state that he was envisioning this totalitarian pharmaceutical state specifically, was to push towards decentralization, which is one of the key components in the last section of the book, is various examples of intentional communities being formed in Italy and the need to grow your own food and become more self-sufficient.And this is what Orwell believed was the only way that we could escape this dark, totalitarian, pharmaceutical future that he envisioned we were being driven towards.What a gift. It's so unfortunate that we haven't paid attention to that. Let's try.And maybe, hopefully, it's not too late.[1:23:40] Well, I appreciate you giving me your time in the middle of slotting into the middle of[1:23:46] a hectic schedule, as I know you have all the time. Lies, my government told me you can get it as a hardback, you can get it as an ebook. And also to those watching, if you, well, of course you will have signed up to Dr. Malone's substack, but do consider clicking that button where you can actually pay for the content. I think it's vital that we all have learned to consume information for free, but there is a cost to actually put that information out. One way, I think probably the easiest way people can support you and what you're doing is simply click on that and to turn your free subscription into a paid subscription. You may not want to say that, but I can happily say that.
I'm really poor at shopping for money. But thanks for saying that.
And it has been fun and thanks for coming and visiting.
Thank you. And I hope you'll be here again.
 
Wife permitting.
I'm positive wife will be here. She, you know, as you know, my wife is a dual citizen, US and UK.And she always likes to have folks visit us or chances to interact with people from the UK just as like her native culture.So thanks for coming and[1:25:10] thanks also for your courage. You've been right at the forefront politically and speaking out in a very challenging environment.I mean, I've come to learn it's even more challenging in the UK than it was here in terms of the censorship and oversight and pressure from the government.
But you do as you say, you do what you do, it's in front of you and you learn from great mentors. Thank you.

Chad Connelly - How Faith Wins is Educating, Activating and Mobilizing Churches Across America

Christianity and politics have a love hate relationship in the US. Despite the separation of church and state, many churches are highly engaged in the political process but they are not always well informed of the issues. Chad Connelly’s work as chairman of his state Replication Party was recognised by the White House and he became the first ever Faith Envoy for the Republican National Committee (RNC). Through this role he built up church engagement to another level and has continued this endeavour through Faith Wins. Chad joins us to discuss the importance of voter registration, providing leaders with resources, identifying church liaisons and connecting with political thought leaders.Founder Chad Connelly was the Republican National Committee’s first-ever National Director of Faith Engagement, a key position that influenced the elections of 2016. Having been elected to two terms as the Chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, Chad set new fundraising records for the party, hosted two nationally televised debates that brought over $50 million in revenue and advertising exposure to the state, and held the largest Presidential Preference Primary at that time in South Carolina’s history with over 607,000 voting in the election. Since 2013, he’s traveled to 43 states and spoke to more than 82,000 pastors and faith leaders about the importance of pastoral leadership in the public arena. His work has led to trusted relationships with a wide variety of denominational and organizational ministry leaders across the nation and resulted in the highest evangelical turnout and vote in modern American political history in the 2016 elections. He has appeared on numerous national television shows and has been a featured commentator on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and others. Chad is well known in political and religious circles around the nation as an effective speaker, relationship builder and prolific fundraiser and is in demand as an inspirational speaker on a variety of topics. Chad is passionate about his home state of South Carolina, America and her true history but is most passionate about his family: his wife Dana and their four children. Chad is a life-long South Carolinian and he and his family live in Prosperity, SC.Faith Wins is dedicated to educating, activating and mobilizing faith leaders, helping them leverage their influence and impact within the governmental and political arena.https://faithwins.org/Interview recorded 24.2.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Chad Connelly. Chad Connelly heads up Faith Wins, an organization in America that engages churches and politics. I met him a couple of weeks ago at a conference in Miami and was intrigued and excited by hearing his background story. So in this interview, we talk about how he got involved in politics and how he became the first national director of faith engagement in the Republican Party, a position which here in the UK we would be desperate for. Over in the US you've had this, and that was during 2016 during Trump's presidency, his first presidency. So we talk about how that happened, how he ruled that across the country, got engaged with churches, got them connected with politics and got them voting, got them inspired and got their congregations understanding what political engagement was about.Now we go into Faith Wins, the organization he started post that.So I know you'll enjoy this conversation with Chad Connelly.[1:34] It is absolutely wonderful to have Chad Connelly with us today. Chad, thank you for your time today.
Honoured to be here with you. I really am, Peter, and I appreciate the opportunity, brother.
Not at all. I had the absolute honour and privilege of meeting Chad over in Miami a few weeks ago, sitting at the table together and also listening to you speak. So I'm looking forward to unpacking a little bit about your story and what you do and to our viewers and listeners, faithwins.org is where you can find more of Chad. We'll get into that a little bit more.The links are in the description. If you're listening on any podcasting apps, Podbean, any podcasting apps, all the links are there so you can keep in touch. But just to our UK viewers, our non-US viewers, Chad served as chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, the first ever national director of faith engagement for the RNC or the Republican National Committee, for those of us not on stateside, and founder and president of Faith Wins. Now before we get into some of that Chad, you were literally born in Prosperity. I've never come across this. A town in South Carolina is called Prosperity. I thought it was a typo, but no, you're born in Prosperity.
Yes, you know prosperity is a really small town, Peter. It's probably, you know, you probably heard me make the joke.There are four or five hundred people counting the dogs and cats.[3:03] So it's a small little town, a great slice of rural America.But I grew up here and actually built a home here.My mom and dad, my mom's passed now, but my mom dad's house is behind me and my grandparents house is behind them.And I never really thought I'd come back to little town, but I travel so much.I really enjoyed the little town feel.[3:25] It's always good to come back home. Always good to come back home.Chad, your background is in business, but maybe you can tell us how you moved from being involved in business to being involved in politics.[3:41] Yeah. You know, Peter, I went to college, got my degree in engineering, got into the corporate world.I was doing design and engineering testing. It wasn't that I didn't enjoy it.I did, but I watched my dad lose a career in downsizing in the late 80s and my career was going up, and his was ending and it just, it changed my life.I decided I wanted to be on my own.And at about that time I had been in the army, I'd served in the army and I think that my military service made me come to grips with what's this thing called freedom?Why do we have it? What's it about?And I think it wasn't that I disrespected the idea of freedom, it was, I didn't really grasp it.You know how it is when you're 16 or 18 or 20, you have all the answers, none of the questions, but you have the answers.And life has a way of making you think through stuff. And so I was in the army and I started thinking, man, people died for this thing called freedom.And it started me really on a journey to examine my freedom, what the gifts we've been given, the blessings of liberty, and then that, It made me deeper in my faith.It made me realize God's had his hand on me[4:55] my whole life and where people can deny that or ignore it or act like it's not true, they can't deny the things going on in their lives and they see around them. And so I was a Christian, I'd give my heart to Christ in my teen years, of course wasn't very serious about it. Married my college sweetheart and I got more serious about my faith. And I think the army was big in that Peter because you know, you start thinking about why would somebody die for something and Jesus died for all of us. And so I started reading biblical worldview books and those books really are what got me in my own business. It got me speaking for a living, got me coaching other people to get in their own business, and it really gave me an appreciation for the whole idea of America and for freedom. That's the short version, but then God just moved me into politics. And I'll give you more of it, but I'll let you talk and ask any other questions on that part.
 
It's always interesting now people get involved in politics. I mean, I love politics. I lived and read politics for years, work in the House of Lords, all of that. But I always loved to find out how anyone made that leap because when we talk to people on the street, people generally seem disengaged with the political process. So what attracted you to begin to get involved in politics?[6:13] Well, you know, it was really reading the biblical worldview books and biblical worldview is we all have a worldview, right? We all have a way, a foundation, how we think, what we believe.And to me, it all boils down to one question, and that is, who says?There are only two answers. Man says, where there's no standard but me and you, which seems very haphazard to me, or God says.And if God says there's a standard, and if our standard is God and the Bible and the Holy Word, then that begins to inform our decision-making.And so when I was studying biblical worldview, I started realizing, oh boy, this,[6:49] here's why people turn from the faith or don't get involved in religion or relationship with Jesus.They don't want accountability. A lot of people, a lot of my friends, and they think, well, I don't want to be accountable to anybody. And I started realizing I am accountable. I am my brother's keeper. I'm responsible for myself and my family, my children, the people around me, my sphere of influence. I've been given this great blessing of being born in this free land.And that started to motivate me to, boy, there ought to be more like-minded people involved in this political thing, not just as a president or a congressman or woman, but school boards, city council.And so the more I read in those areas, I said, boy, I think God's telling me I better be involved in this.If I'm unhappy about something going on politically, it's really not political, Peter.It's spiritual. all our lives in a biblical worldview, my God's big enough to be in everything, everywhere, all the time.And while there's no question that people, I say the media and the left.[7:54] And I think that applies everywhere, have kind of taught us Christians out of being involved.You know, they say, ooh, you Christians shouldn't be involved in it.You're gonna offend somebody. And we're the very ones who don't wanna offend somebody.And so we put on our turn the other cheek Jesus, when really we might oughta find turn the tables over Jesus.And so the first thing I did in politics is, I did door knocking to get people to vote for a friend of mine for Congress in Charlotte, North Carolina, a great lady named Sue Myrick.After that, I actually went to Boston, Massachusetts and helped a guy named Mitt Romney run against Ted Kennedy.I had read about Senator Kennedy and the whole Chappaquiddick thing, and I couldn't believe anybody would vote for the guy.And so here's this little lost Southern boy, Peter, knocking on doors, you ought to vote for Mitt Romney.And of course, I didn't get a great response, but I felt compelled to do it.And I kind of had the bug. My boys came along,[8:51] CJ who's now 25, I was born in 97, Bennett was born in 2000, and we started doing political campaigns. They would sippy cup in a hand, a pacifier to mouth and a vote for somebody signed.That was how they grew up. And I got involved in the school choice movement.I got involved in the pro-life movement.I got on some boards. In 02, I actually wrote my first book called Freedom Time, where I was just explaining to people, you should be involved, get involved in the process.Don't sit over here on the side-lines and complain and whine and fuss and cuss.Get involved, make a difference.And after that, in 05, my wife Michelle, I met in college, her mom died, spun her into a deep depression.In July of 06, she took her own life, committed suicide, left me a single dad with two little boys who saw something nobody should ever see.But God used this too, Peter. It's a deep, raw part of my story and God's been good.I'm remarried, but I had spoken at Chick-fil-A the week before that.I said something I never remembered saying. I probably didn't say this when you saw me speak in Miami.[10:00] I said something I'd never remembered saying all the times I ever spoken.And I so didn't trust how bad Michelle was.I left her at her dad's home nearby and I went to Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta.And I was doing a marriage and family talk, very humbling.Nobody in the audience knew my wife was home with deep depression, much less would put a gun in her mouth a week later. The boys were five and nine,they were sitting in the corner of the room, Peter, and I said, you know, I've messed up, I've made mistakes, but before God, man, I'm not going to be a failure with my wife and my boys. And I remember looking at the boys over there in the corner and going, hey, Lord, that was good. I'm going to I'm going to use that again.The next Sunday, we come in to find her. And I knew she was bad,I didn't I didn't know she had had some blues more than more like not really depression, more like deep blues throughout our marriage, but not that bad.And I knew it was bad, but I never thought she'd do that. Anyway, we get in from church to find her.The boys are on my heels.[11:06] I pick her up to cover, I didn't want them to see, right? And so I go to your room, go to your room, go to your room.I pull her close to me, I lay her back down.And in my spirit, I feel the devil say, ha ha, you failed. Immediately I feel the Lord put his arm around me and say this wasn't my plan but I have a plan for Satan's disruption. And as I'm laying my wife of 18 and a half years back down on the ground on the floor, Romans 8 28, now you probably know the scripture, I wasn't studying it, I wasn't reading it at that point but I had put it in my heart and the scripture says, and we know that all, things work together for good of those who love God and are called according purpose. And I'd read that scripture over and over again, and I don't know if anybody out there reads the Bible, there's times you read it and you're not sure what you read.Other times it leaps up off the pages and punch you and just really grabs you. And so Romans 8 28, I laid her back down and it came to mind. And I said, really Lord, all things?All things? All things? My wife's in a pool of blood. All things, Lord? Really? And he, And he said to me, did you believe it yesterday?Yes, Lord, I did.So I need you to trust me and believe it today. And I told him I would. Now, I was a mess.I had three or four months. I couldn't get off the mat, Peter. The boys, I sobbed.Michelle's my best friend.[12:31] I went back to my pro-life board several months later, and there's a guy in there who's in heaven now.He passed away a few months ago.And he just, three meetings in a row kept coming at me. Chad, you gotta meet this girl.You gotta meet this girl.I'm like, "JD, I love you, leave me alone. Get out my face",[12:47] I don't have time for any girl. I got two little boys that saw their mom come in. I mean, it's awful.It's awful. I don't wish it on anybody." He said, "you ought to meet this girl". And he got in my face at the second meeting. He said, "Chad, you're Mr. Positive. I've been watching you speak for years.This is not going to beat you". He said, "you know that talk you do about counting your blessings?"And I said, "yeah, JD, I wrote it". He said, "read your notes". And you know how a Christian brother, sometimes has to hold us accountable. And literally, I prayed for accountability and responsibility partners. And I went home that day and I read my notes and the Lord gave me three very specific prayers. I wrote down 103 blessings. I go to the next meeting. He says, "you got to meet this girl". And I finally said, "what's her name?" He said, "Dana". And I said, "JD, big question. How did she become single?"And he hung his head and he said, "man, I'm sorry to tell you, but same way you did". Turns out her husband committed suicide, Peter, almost two years to the the day before my wife.And she had two little girls, I had two little boys, and long story made short, six months later we were married, and today the kids are 25, 23, 22, and 21. We're blessed and highly favoured.That's been 15 years ago.It's the most monumental thing in my life though, to watch God work that way.And when people tell me there's no God, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, I just don't.[14:07] It takes a lot of faith to think that we have the answers, that all this came because of an accident, that's beyond common sense.And I've watched God work in my life.And it doesn't mean he works the same way with people and he's got a purpose to fulfil.That scripture, Romans 8.28, if your audience hasn't read it, You ought to go read it.And we know all things work together for good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.Now at the time, I had felt called into politics, Peter. I didn't know how, I didn't know what.I didn't know if it was elected or work behind the scenes.I was very involved in the school choice movement, the pro-life movement, and I thought it was that way.When Dana came along, I got back involved. As you said, I ran for state party chairman, and anybody who's familiar with American politics knows our state of South Carolina, you will be here a lot. You know, it picks presidents.[15:02] Ten out of the last 11 Republican nominees were whoever won in South Carolina. And we have what we call carve out states. There's Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. So I did every political show on television. It was a big bright spotlight on our state. And on one of those shows, a guy named Reince Priebus, and if you're political folks that are watching, have paid attention. He was Trump's, President Trump's first chief of staff. He saw me on television, and I was basically beating up the party for leaving out the faith vote. That was the long and short of my talk that day on that TV show. And Reince, I knew him, I voted for him, but I didn't have any kind of relationship with the guy. And so he texted me. He said, 'hey, I'm a believer too.'I'd like to talk to you. You're right. We should be involved more. Let's talk about it. That's how That's how I got to be the first ever national director of faith engagement.Of course, I helped Trump in 16. I actually went to 43 states and spoke to 80-something thousand pastors just telling them, you got to get involved.How can you have a Matthew 5, salt and light, biblical worldview and not engage?How are you going to be salt and light if you're not engaged?And just imploring them to get involved.And then of course I left the RNC,[16:11] I didn't go work in the White House. I think I was probably Reince Priebus's only senior staffer not to go work in the Trump White House.And that's when I started Faith Wins. But man, we exist to just get Christians involved and let your voices be heard, not just your votes.And that's the short version. Look, I'm so honoured, Peter, I've gotten to watch God work in my life.He didn't always choose to do it that way. And that's where faith comes in.But the fact that a man named Jesus hung on a tree for me and for you is just amazing.[16:42] And what is it? Some 67,000 historical references by non-biblical figures that prove the life, the death, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus Christ.And to get to watch him working life, it's humbling, brother.
Chad, I love when you say that when you talk to atheists, I have the same conversation that I couldn't possibly have their faith to look at the complexity of the universe of the world, to think of simply the human body, never mind the universe, and to come to believe that actually there's no greater designer, figure body out there that actually is luck and chance.I said, well, you've got a lot more faith than I have, so I don't know how you come.So I agree completely. But I, National Director of Faith Engagement, that for a new role, you're the first person in that, that's quite intriguing because you get an opportunity to make that your own.You're not coming in a job description, but actually you get this and you think, wow, how can I take this right across the country?Tell me about those early days with something brand new, how you actually built that out.
Yeah, that's a great question. You know what, nobody ever asked me.I do a bunch of TV and radio and podcasts.[18:06] Very few people ask that. I literally told Priebus, Reince, we got to do this right.Let's don't do a political approach.Let's do a spiritual approach. Let's talk to them about their biblical responsibilities.I told him, I said, Reince, I'm not going to push a candidate.I'm not going to push the party. I'll work for the party, but I really think God let me do something to go to all these different, because you know there are different groups of denominations and all the segments of Christians and churches.I really think working for the party, the blessing was I got to wade through all of that and say, look, I'm not here to split doctrinal hairs.I'm not here to discuss our differences.But if we don't unify over things like the defence of Israel, that's biblical, life, it's biblical.[18:53] Traditional marriage, it's biblical, religious liberty. Man, I can say sovereignty of states and borders.It's biblical. Those are biblical spiritual issues, not political.Now they've been politicized, but that doesn't remove my responsibility as a Christian, a dad, a husband, a Sunday school teacher.I got to tell the truth.And so when Reince and I sat down, that's exactly what I told him.That's the exact conversation I had with him.And I said, I need your assurance. You'll give me the latitude to do this the right way.And I said, Reince, it's no offense, but there are very few people in this political world who've done politics at the level I've done it, been a state party chairman, run a bunch of races, but also are Christian first.It's like they separate, right? It's like you described, and I think it happens everywhere.Some of it's intentional, some of it's fear driven. Some of it's just, I don't wanna deal with it.It's an ugly mess. I can't tell you Peter how many people say well we shouldn't get involved in politics. It's it's a dirty business. I'm like[19:56] if you're been to a meeting, I'm not deep in meetings can be political I know what that's exactly why we as Christians should be involved. It's a dirty mess, We should permeate society in every way and let's face it. This is where we failed So this conversation of you asking me that Reince Priebus and I to his great credit and he's a great friend and mentor.We sat down and had this very talk, fleshing this out. What's it look like?And I said, well, first Reince.You can't contact my pastor buddies. You can't ask them for money. You can't ping them about you must vote this way You cannot irritate them and and I'll tell you the truth when I first built my list I said you can't ping them. You can't hit them up with emails and all that junk. I[20:43] salted the list y'all probably use that term, I put fake names in the email list to make sure that he communicated with his data people. We're not doing this and it was about ten days somebody in the data department, hit up my pastors and one of my fake emails got the email.So I called Reince and said, hey man, we're not doing this. We're not gonna bug these pastors.And again, to his great credit, he made sure there was a firewall.And then I started keeping my own list and I didn't give it to him.I just said, I gotta have my word and integrity.So I quit giving cell phone numbers and emails to the party, which of course was much weeping and gnashing of teeth.But I want it to be authentic relationships, Peter. I think that relationships matter.I think our world right now is going through a time it doesn't value relationships like it, but I think it will again.I think we're gonna get back to a very high touch personal relationship driven society again, in your country and mine.If they value the ideas of liberty and freedom, we're gonna get back to where that person to person relationship matters far more than a digital ad or a television ad or whatever.And so when we started the program, I'm telling you, the people in the RMC building, the political people, it was, it was, they didn't get it.Quite frankly, a lot of them still don't. And they don't want to deal with pastors.They want to be able to say, hey, we control this or we've got the data or we can contact them.[22:12] And I was like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing it that way.
About that because you look at one, first question is how did this position only start at that point?Secondly, how you kind of from over here, maybe in the UK, we look at the Republican Party as as a party that many Christians, we look at America's Christianity is not something to be ashamed or afraid about and people wear it on their sleeves passionately. So how did the RNC not really get it at the beginning.[22:47] Well, it's interesting. Part of this is the denominational differences. Part of it is, they're in political mode first, and you and I are Christians first. I tell people all the time I'm a Christian, that I'm a conservative, I happen to be a Republican because their belief system lines up most closely. And I also tell pastors, you're not going to find perfect. There are no perfect candidates. Only Jesus was perfect. He's the only one.And therefore, since there are no perfect candidates, there are no perfect parties either.And goodness, Peter, I'm married with four kids.We can't get our kids to agree on a Whopper or a Big Mac. That's normal.And Reagan said that, right? Reagan said, if you're 80% of my friend, it doesn't make you 20% of my enemy.And so we try to teach those lessons that you're looking for the person that most closely aligns.And I told them, don't vote on the party, don't vote on the candidate, don't vote on a personality, vote on policies and principles. So when we were building this, it was a complete oddity to the people inside the political structure. No doubt about it.And I think, let's face it, a lot of the political types will check a box.Okay, I'm covering the Hispanics, I'm covering the black vote, I'm covering the faith vote, whatever.And I think what Priebus did that set apart the RNC, and they've not done since to my my knowledge is he had a very specific plan for every segment of that.[24:10] And he had authentic people connecting with people of like mind and talking to them.Even if they didn't agree on issues, he really was intentional about authentic evangelicals talking to evangelicals and Hispanics talking to Hispanics down the line trying to really[24:27] go back to a basic relationship model. And let's face it, it worked.In 2014, we flipped nine US Senate seats, hadn't been done in 150 years.In 2016, a guy named Donald Trump hit a record.You know, and probably not the most evangelical guy to run, right?And again, we didn't tell him who to vote for.Romney, in 2012, had hit 78%. 78% of the self-identified evangelicals voted for the Republican candidate in 2012. And I told Reince at the time, I said, Reince, if you ever hit 80%, the left can't win. I don't care if they're running for dog catcher or president and Trump hit 81%. And I believe it was because we were very intentional about going into areas and running up the score. We found that there were a lot of people sitting in churches who thought, my vote doesn't count. I don't care about this. I don't want to go to go vote. And our deal was, I'm going to get to know the pastor. And hey, Pastor Peter.[25:26] Listen, let's talk about this and I'll tell you to vote for, but can you do two things?Can you make sure they're registered to vote? And can you teach them to vote by the Bible?That's it. You don't have to say Republican. You don't have to say a candidate like a Trump or a particular Senator, but can you register to vote? And can you teach them to vote biblical values and use voter guides and so forth.I tell people, look, I'm not trying to get you to charge the beach at D-Day.Can you register everybody?And can you give them the vote biblical values? Those are our asks.And that's not difficult.And listen, you've read scripture, Matthew five. Jesus says, if you're not salt, I know you're probably familiar with this, then you are good for nothing to be thrown in the street and trodden under the feet of men.Not about you, Peter, or any other believers out there. I don't wanna be standing before the Father because we will all stand before the Father and be told I was good for nothing.That seems like a really bad life to me. And let's face it,[26:27] I think our world's hurting for purpose. You know, suicide's a big deal to me, obviously. We live through it.My wife and her girls lived through it. The girls lived through it.My boys live through it. It's horrible. You don't wish on anybody.When you see suicide rates like our world sees, you realize we're missing purpose.[26:47] They're missing purpose. And some people are retrievable. There are things going on.Michelle's depression was real.I don't doubt that it's real, but it goes back to purpose. and she felt like she lost purpose.And I know that from my experience. And so I think the political world is a great purpose for people.Go out and make a difference. You know, I was a Little League baseball coach because I wanted to make a difference.I'm a Sunday school teacher because I want to make a difference.I'm involved in my local community because I want to make a difference.You know, we had a family friend, his wife's got an incurable disease.My wife and I organized the Sunday school class to take a meal, just to take a little burden off because I want to make a difference.And there's so many unfilled needs out there that government is fulfilling wrongly in my opinion, that people like me and you, because scripture says the church and the individual should take care of people.There's not a jot, tittle or phrase about the government doing it, especially through coercion like we're seeing now.You must, and we're gonna tax you super high. So my whole message is get involved, Christian, get involved, find purpose. God's got a plan in your life, he doesn't make accidents, and so figure out what that is and spend the rest of your life doing it.[27:59] I want to ask you about your church engagement because I for this conversation with my church about abortion and pro-life, there is an absolute fear to engage that no, no, we need to be very careful what we say because we would offend people and there's an inability to come out and say this is what we believe but we will love those who have failed.And that's quite different from, I remember the one time was over in the States, quite a few four years ago in Houston, Second Baptist Church Houston, Reverend Ed Young, at Phenomenal Church and Tucker Carlson happened to be speaking that evening on a Saturday.I just was blown away by the....Intentionality, I think, of bringing your faith into any realm of public life.In the UK there's that mass of separation.I mean, talk to us about that because that is quite exciting, that engagement generally with churches, in not only politics but across the board in public life.[29:12] Yeah, you know, I think as a Christian, the more you read the Word, the closer you get to God, the more, you know, my prayer is, Lord, I need wisdom today, every day, 15 minutes.I want to be more Christ-like.I want to have a better walk.And when you say those prayers, kind of dangerous prayers, if you will, right?Then what do you have for me, Lord?Then there's a response. You know, faith without works is dead.We don't get to heaven by our works, but our works are a response to what He's done for us. He died for our sins. So how do I say thank you?I believe it's by engaging, by activating, by doing my part.And part of that's the justice the Bible talks about. God is justice. God is just.The Bible doesn't talk about fairness, except with the weather and fair ladies, I believe, but justice is God.[30:05] And how do I let the murder of innocent babies go without me speaking up if I'm a Christian?And there are two victims, right? a girl and there's a baby that we take a life and I think they've been lied to.Listen, this is deeply personal to me. I know so many friends who've, and they didn't see a way out.My wife's involved in a local crisis pregnancy centre.[30:30] We've marched, we've counselled, my son and his fiancé started a pro-life group on their college campus at Clemson.It's deeply personal and I don't want to condemn people because, yep, with the grace of God, lie, right? And so we're all sinners saved by grace. We've all fallen short of The Glory[30:47] Of God. None of us is righteous, no, not one. We go right down the Roman road scriptures and we realize, you know, none of us is perfect. And so I don't want to condemn somebody who's made a horrible mistake. But I also want to reach out to them and I want to make sure they don't make that second mistake. And I told my kids, listen, mistakes aren't fatal for you. What you got to do is take them as learning experiences. I don't want you to be scared of making a mistake and I don't want to minimize the death of a baby as a mistake but in a bigger sense you want to think about it was I did something I can't undo. You know Michelle did something we can't undo. It's a horrible thing. I believe she got to heaven and she figured that out. But also understand that people do things every day they're influenced by their people around them or,mass media or whatever else. And we got to reach out to them and love on them and tell them there's a different way and tell them that there's a thing called forgiveness. And you know, he removes your sin as far as the east is from the west. So there's nothing that you or I do or have done that Jesus isn't willing to forgive us for except denying Him and the Holy Spirit, obviously. And so he is about forgiveness. That's why he died.He knew what we were going to do before he hung on the tree.And so my response to that knowledge, the more I read the Bible, the more I understand[32:10] that, is I got to get involved.And part of that is loving on people who've been through stuff relating to them, but also in a political sense, standing up for truth.And truth is, God made every single one of us with His perfect design.We messed it up, but He had a plan. He had a purpose.And Peter, if he had a plan and a purpose through the decision my wife made to commit suicide, then he's got a plan and a purpose. And far be it from me to question that.I don't understand it.It's beyond my capability to understand. But I do know God's got a plan and a purpose for me and for you and for everybody else watching and listening.What's up to for me is to find out when he strikes us with this thing about abortion, You know, our nation alone, we've taken what, some 65 million babies' lives.And who did we kill in the name of choice? Who did we kill in the name of convenience?Who did we snuff out a life far too soon because it didn't fit our plans?And so I've got a friend who was conceived by rape.[33:15] And I have a pastor whose granddaughter was conceived by rape.And I dare you, when somebody says, yeah, but rape, whatever, incest, why don't you tell Ryan, or that, and I won't mention her name, why don't you tell those two people their lives don't matter?And I think people don't think through that sometimes. And let's face it, we're in a society now where emotions and feelings count more than facts and that'll recentre. We'll get back to truth.
Not completely and no one is too far, whatever they've done, whatever has happened is too far from God's ability to reach out as he is all powerful. Can I ask you about[33:59] Faith Wins. Faith Wins is all about engaging Christians and helping them understand that Christians have a responsibility to vote according to their values. Tell us about that journey. Why did you start it? You'd finish your time in the White House with that responsibility. You started Faith Wins. Tell us why and give us that journey.
 
You know, I really, I think that when I left the the RNC and I just thought I should do this through a ministry side as opposed to through a political side.I think that pastors do respond better to the ministry angle than they do to a political angle and it just, it was a God thing.It really was a God thing. I was driving along one night and Faith Wins came in my mind.It was a prayer result. I believe God answered prayer.You know, what do you call this? If I do this on my own? Of course, now the responsibility is mine.Go raise money. Go tell people about what we're doing.But our laser focus is building relationships with pastors to get them to engage the culture.[35:06] I mean, Peter, we're living in a time when, I don't know if it's like this in your country, this whole, if a boy feels like a girl, he should swim or race or wrestle or whatever else against a biological girl. And that's pure insanity.And it defies common sense. How about those girls that have been working their whole lives?And I'll tell you what it tells me. I told a pastor yesterday and I with this.[35:31] The first time somebody said, if a boy feels like a girl, he should go to a girl's bathroom. Here's what I know.There wasn't a Christian in the room with a backbone.[35:39] Because if my mama, who's in heaven now, had been in the room when somebody said something that stupid, she would have picked up a chair and whopped somebody upside the head.It defies common sense. And so we're told, oh, you can't talk like that.And that's offensive. Listen, let's get people like that help.You know, that's not healthy for them. And this whole sexualization of children and genital mutilate, I mean, that's,[36:05] that's evil. That's demonic. That's not doing them a favour. But, you know, I live with somebody who had mental illness.I get it. Let's get them help. And some people you can't help.I'm the first to say it. We did everything we knew to do with her.But when you look at all the things going on around that movement and the the apologists who are pushing for it, it shows me that there are not enough Christians around. And all that's a big reason I started Faith Wins. Just go get involved, Christian.Don't sit on the side-lines. You will be held accountable for what you do and don't do.
Part of Faith Wins is about providing leaders with resources.Tell us how you do that.
Yeah, you know what we do is we teach them how to do voter registration.We hand out voter guides. We distribute them digitally and printed.We make sure they know about who's running. We get involved in judges races.We get involved on anti gambling, pro life, pro traditional marriage.We'd get involved in all sorts of things like that and we just educate them.We provide them the tools. Most states that means voter guides.It means how to conduct voter registration. It probably means having a pastor come in to train their people.It kind of runs the full slate of whatever it takes.We make an assessment of what do they need in that area and we go at it.
When you engage with churches, what are the conversations? I guess you meet some people who are engaged politically.[37:32] But I guess, as I've known for many of my conversations, you meet many people who are completely disengaged.Tell us about that and how those conversations go.[37:44] I remember the first time I got a pushback from a pastor. I was in a town in Colorado in 2013.And I knew it was coming, but I'd never really heard it framed.And I already felt like some people hide behind the pulpit, some people just don't want to deal with it.Some people, they think I'm gonna make somebody mad. So this pastor said, "Chad, we just, you know, I appreciate what you're doing. I just, we don't get political."And I didn't know what to say.And it kind of, you know, took me aback. And so when I don't know what to say, I always whisper a quick prayer. "Okay, Lord, you better give me something."And then I ask a question, what do you mean? And it gives me a chance to think.And he said, "well, you know, we don't talk about controversial stuff."And here's what the Lord gave me."Well, do y'all talk about the Bible? He preached the whole council of God, as scripture says."He said, "what do you mean?" I said, "well, I don't believe life is a political issue.It's a spiritual issue.Traditional marriage, religious liberty, defensive visual, I can go down the line.Those are biblical issues.And yes, pastor, they've been politicized, but how does that remove our responsibility to be salt and light?" He said, "nobody's ever told me that." And then last fall, I had a pastor, I was in the state of Wisconsin.[38:53] This pastor got saved late in life, tattooed, full-arm tattoos.Pretty big church in a medium-sized town in Wisconsin.He came up to me and he hosted our meeting because my pastor that works on my team had asked him to be the host. He said, "Chad, I wanted to host because your pastor's a long-time buddy. He's been a mentor.But I just gotta tell you, I'm pretty sceptical."I said, "pastor, what are you sceptical about?" He said, "well, I just guessed the whole political thing."I said, "do you think I want you to be political?"He said, "yeah, I thought so." I said, "no, no, I want you to be biblical."[39:28] He said, "I don't think I understand". I said, "you should stick around for my talk."So I did, he said, "I can't, I'm too busy."I looked out, I did my 15 minute talk.He was out there.David Barton did his 40 minute talk. He was out there. When we got done, our conversation and our avenue, our approach to explaining it, he comes over, he grabs you by the arm firmly.And he said, "Chad, I've never heard anybody explain it this way.And I got to tell you, I want to be ground zero for everything you're doing in our state."And Peter, I can tell a story like that from virtually every state, because we're going out into the nooks and crannies.Faith Wins had 132 meetings in 24 states between February and November last year, so if someone has got a better pulse on Christian America in the nooks and crannies, I'd love to meet them.Save me some time. I'd like to meet them and ask them their experiences, but we had 24 different denominations host our meetings.We have over 40 different denominations attend our meetings.We had 27,000 people in those meetings in very specific areas, and we had over 4,100 pastors in those 132 meetings.And so we got a pretty good take on what people are thinking and feeling.And you're seeing what's happening in Asbury. I think God's moving.I think God's moving in our nation and the world.I think that he's tapping us on the shoulder. Hey, hey, who shall I send?Here I am, send me, said the prophet. So I think the onus is upon us.[40:52] Or perhaps I was reading about Asprey today and feeling that excitement within me, reading about what was happening and wanting God to continue doing that and to spread out.My prayer was, well, as I'm going to CPAC, maybe a little bit of Asprey and CPAC would be wonderful.Just mess up the agenda. But can I say, obviously connecting with churches is about connecting, I guess, with political thought leaders.And many, I assume you come across pastors, I come across many people and they say, well, you know, I just need to stay in my lane and to what I've been called to do.And I'm thinking, well, your lane is the world, your lane is everything.Why live yourself? How do you kind of encourage, I guess, encourage those maybe within churches that feel, well, I need to constrain myself to what God's given me and their worldview is quite small and you're trying to enlarge that worldview?[41:53] I think the way that works is, and you're exactly right, because I don't ever wanna disrupt what a pastor's main thing is, right?I believe it is preaching the gospel to tell the truth. And so, I'll give you this analogy that our friend Bob McKeown uses.If you and I walk in your office there, and you say, well, it's 40 feet wide.And I say, well, Peter, I think it's 35 feet wide.And those are just opinions. until we pull a tape measure out and we have the truth.[42:23] And truth reveals error and error hates truth. And that's why you see so much truth being confronted these days.Well, that's not my truth. No, no, no. You get to have your experience.You don't get to create truth.Truth is his, not ours.You know, we can have an experience and that's our experience.But we got the bugs view of the windshield. God's got the helicopter.And so we don't get to decide what truth is. And when truth reveals error, that's why you see all this error going absolutely nuts.If they ask you to go down to the local university and say a prayer, they're going to say, Peter, what are you going to pray about? You're going to say, well, I'm going to pray in the wind or goat's breath or eagle's feathers.Ooh, that's wonderful.But if you say you're going to pray in the name of Jesus, all hell breaks loose because truth reveals error.And so I think that when they think I got to stay in my lane and just preach the gospel, we are. And every time you tell the truth, that is preaching the gospel. You know, I've got a buddy named Bill Feddory says two things. He says, number one, we got to get everybody to heaven we can, and number two, make sure it keeps it legal. And I think that part of what a lot of these pastors that won't engage, they think they're going to lose a tether in the church, or they think they're going to lose, you know, respect. And the truth is, the churches that preach the truth, the unfettered,[43:45] unfiltered, absolute Word of God. They don't change it for their own needs or wants or feelings. They're growing. The mainline churches in America, they're hurting. Some of them are dying. And the reason they're dying, I've got five new couples in my Sunday school class in my little town. And every one of them came from a mainline denomination that's capitulated on the truth.They've watered it down. They've apologized for it. They won't jump into into the culture wars and tell the truth.And our pastor's preaching truth, and I'm sure trying to in my Sunday school class every Sunday.[44:19] I want to end on the truth, let me ask you one question before we end on that. It seems to be what you're doing has gone past the party limitations. I mean, it's what you're talking about has taken on a life of its own, you're engaging churches irrespective of whether the RNC is happy or not, irrespective of who is running or not. Actually, what you're doing[44:44] has passed that point of, I guess, control and ownership.Tell us about that because it's then irrelevant what the ideas or policy or campaign is of any particular party. What you're doing is now separate and much bigger than that.
Yeah we think so and we think it's been a God thing. Thank you for for saying that. That's awful nice and it's certainly been a prayer and a heartfelt desire that Christians not just give votes but voices.And, you know, there's too many candidates, too many staffs that don't acknowledge a biblical worldview. They don't understand it. They see it from their own worldview, which is, as I said, who says only one question, only two answers, man or God.Man's always going to have a standard that moves all over the place, different based on the different people, and God's going to have a standard that doesn't move, whether it's inconvenient or not.I think it's gotten bigger because we've been able to tell candidates and party people, Love you, proud of you, but no, you're not gonna hire us. I've had presidential candidates already.We wanna hire your network. That is not how we work.[45:49] And we're gonna get pastors out to maximize the Christian vote.But if you're not talking their issues and you're not standing for truth, they're probably not gonna be with you, just quite frankly.And so I raise money through donors who believe in this. And I talked to them, you met some of them, probably in Miami, who just have bought into what we're doing and they realized we gotta get our nation and the world back to a foundational truth that doesn't move with the changing winds.And we gotta be able to identify liberty as, true freedom is freedom in Christ.That's true freedom. Bondage, releasing the bondage and the chains of sin.That's true freedom.And we gotta get people back to understanding truth instead of all this haphazard, all over the map, ricochet rabbit stuff that we see today. So we think it has, we just thank the Lord for it, and we're humbled, we're excited where we're at and where we're going.[46:40] Can I end off on a paradox that I see? America's traditional culture of Christians being engaged in politics, even though you have a separation of church and state, you have huge Christian engagement.Well, we in the UK, we have an established church, we have that connection and yet we are seeing traditionally that has been very much one with our education system, with our health service, all of that came from faith, came from the church.But now we have a huge disconnect and it's curious that over in the States where you have that separation, you seem to have churches being engaged where over here in the UK we have that connection in theory in our constitution, but we have a separation.I mean, speaking to that on the end and how kind of that works.[47:39] Well, in America, that whole idea of separation of church and state has been mislabelled.That was in a private letter by Thomas Jefferson in 1802.Thomas Jefferson wasn't there when the US Constitution was written. It was just hearsay.But it was taken out of context over 150 years later in a Supreme Court case.It was used by the up-and-coming modern progressive left to say, oh, you can't be involved.And see, our First Amendment assures freedom of speech just because you're a Christian or you're behind a pulpit.You don't lose that. And I think the more you see judges that are committed to our constitutional, they're constitutional conservatives, they're not trying to rewrite laws.You're seeing a rebalancing of that in America right now. You know, you probably watched, you are probably familiar with that coach out in the state of Washington, Peter, who was fired for doing a silent prayer at a football game.He had done it for years, never promoted it, never made people do it, but people came out of the stands after the game. The kids on the teams came out and it became a big deal.The school district punished him, they fired him, the guy was mocked and lied about, he lost his job. I think he lost his house.[48:50] And a Christian attorney that was at that meeting, Kelly Shackelford at First Liberty Institute took it up and they finally won last June, the right to pray in public like that.And that's a big reversal for America. So coach Kennedy, they had to pay him back pay, they hired him.And I'm sure you remember when that football player on Monday night football about six weeks ago, when he went down, do you know what those football players did and everybody in the stand?They took a knee. There was not a Supreme Court ruling.There was not a school district punishing them. There wasn't a newspaper reporter saying, no, you can't do that. So when people are in dire straits, you know what they do?They pray. They may not know to God. They may not know how. They may not know why.And so this whole idea of separation of church and state has been a misnomer, it's been mislabelled, it's been misapplied.And in America, when you read America's founding documents, those words don't appear in any American founding document.It's been so misinformed to people people are miseducated about it. We've been trying to re-educate them and teach them about the truth and going back to America's original history.
 
Just to end, Faith Wins for probably a quarter of our viewers or state side, a quarter of our listeners or state side, how can they get involved? Can they register? Can they donate? How can they get involved on the website?[50:13] Absolutely. That's faithwins.org .org you've got on your screen. We'd love to have you involved.We'd love to know where you are. We'd love to invite you to our meetings. We were in Iowa yesterday We got meetings in South Carolina this week coming up. We were in 24 states last year. I know we're gonna add Oregon, Washington,[50:31] Minnesota Maine, I know we're adding those four states this year, but if you go on that website You'll see where our meetings are. We'd love to have you come they're free. They're open to people, We want to help educate people we want to have those dialogues and conversation And so faith wins, F-A-I-T-H-W-I-N-S, faithwins.org.We'd love to have you involved.
 
Chad, thank you for coming on.The story of what you're doing with Faith Wins and your story with RNC is exciting and inspiring.So thank you for joining us and sharing your story with us.
Thank you, brother. God bless you. Thanks for what you're doing.I hate to won't see you at CPAC, but I know I'll see you soon.
 
I'll see you soon.Thank you so much, Chad. And thank you to our viewers, listeners for watching, for tuning in, for being part of the conversation and look forward to seeing you on our next interview.So thank you so much and good evening to you all.

Katherine Macbean - How the People’s Health Alliance is Providing an Integrative Approach to Wellness

A warm welcome to our guest this episode, the founder of The People's Health Alliance, Katherine Macbean.Trust in our institutions are at an all time low. The police, courts and government are viewed with suspicion or even seen as the enemy of the people. With the enforced jabbing of an experimental 'vaccine', many are now even apprehensive of visiting their doctor or hospital. People are seeking to find advice from doctors and health care staff that they can trust so it is this need that The Peoples Health Alliance is attempting to fix. Katherine started The PHA as a way to connect the public to trusted doctors and to promote a holistic approach that does not simply rely on more and more drugs to fix health issues. Big Pharma has such a strong hold on our health industry and The PHA is seeking to break this stranglehold.The People's Health Alliance is an integrative approach to health that is an organic, people-led initiative, working at a community level to educate about true health and preventative approaches all without interference from government or big pharma.The PHA was established in April 2022 and has spread across 30+ counties in the UK with over one hundred individual community groups wanting to create a health hub in their area, all unique and serving their community in different ways. PHA have moved internationally with hubs currently being created in NZ, Australia, Canada, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain and the USA.Connect with Katherine and The People's Health Alliance...WEBSITE: https://the-pha.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TPHA_UK?s=20https://twitter.com/Win11We?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/PeoplesHealthAllianceFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/470135028119956/TELEGRAM: https://t.me/ThePeoplesHealthAlliance/RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/user/ThePeoplesPodcastPODCAST: https://open.spotify.com/show/3J5i3EiTquLpgBzYJYIkRz?si=bb51fab718c846d3People’s Food & Farming Alliance....WEBSITE: https://the-pffa.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/PFFA_UK?s=20TELEGRAM: https://t.me/PFFAGrowYourOwnVote Freedom Project....WEBSITE: https://vote-freedom.org/Interview recorded 25.2.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview just coming up with Katherine Macbean.She is the founder of the People's Health Alliance.[0:31] And this is something that's come up, I think, talking to Dr. David Cartland, he mentioned originally, and I was asking him about what system there is in place to provide access to healthcare if we do not want to use or can't use the NHS.And what Katherine has done in setting up this is phenomenal.We talk about why she set it up, what drove her to set this up.Quite a number of ambassadors they have on it, Dr. David Cartland and Dolores Cahill, along with many others, and many organizations linked with them.How it's set up, talking about this integrative approach to health, this joined up thinking where it's not just big pharma, here's a pill.Talk about mental health and the impact of the last couple of years on that, and the important of community action and community hubs, which I think we've got away from, but we need to return back to those and look at some projects she has coming up. So great website and you simply put in your details and it will show you a doctor, a health practitioner who lives close by and you can sort it by where you live, but also what you're looking for. All the links are in the description. I know you'll enjoy listening to Catherine as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
Katherine Macbean, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:52] Thank you for having me.
 
Not all. Katherine is the founder of the People's Health Alliance. We'll get into all of that soon. And there's the website underneath on your screen and in the description.And I encourage you all to go and have a look at it. But maybe Katherine, we could start with you given just a little bit of your background before you got to the point of actually setting up the organization. So give us a little bit of your background.[2:21] Yeah, so I woke up about 25 years ago. I was working in the grocery sector and a number of my clients would have the supermarkets come in, your Tesco's and Safeway and Asda and so forth.And I was watching the control that these supermarkets had at audit times and how these small businesses effectively were having to invest really heavily to keep up with the requirements of the supermarket and the supermarkets were making it very very difficult for these suppliers through contracts to deliver directly to people and I was watching this happen over a period of a year or two and the monopolization started to become really quite frightening to me. I could see where this would head, I could see where this would go and farmers were almost handing over and producers were handing over there, their sort of sovereignty as a business, if you like, over to the likes of the supermarkets. And so I started researching and going down these holes. And that's when you start finding the likes of Monsanto's of this world and various other organizations. And for those that have done it, they know where it heads and you go off in a lot of different directions. It was a lot slower process for me to sort of wake up and be fully aware, I think, than people nowadays, because I didn't have the internet at home back then. And you know, you really had to do proper research if you like. And as time went on I realized that there was going to come a point They were going to do something to mess up.[3:48] And there had to be solutions that were found as to how do you move forward from a situation like that?So for me personally, I'd lie awake for hours at night trying to find solutions.[3:58] And it was always for me about decentralization. It was about taking power back to the people, back to communities, not this centralized control that we see now.And you could see it was going in that direction even back then.So I started to create models in my head of what that could look like.And when, during that time, I went and worked in big bag, big chem, big feed, big seed. I worked for smaller organizations. I got myself into a position where I could go and deal directly with farmers and growers and producers and really understand what was happening. And then later on down the line, I went and worked in community projects. So again, I could understand how you work with volunteers, because I knew this was going to take people power. And when you're asking people to dedicate a big chunk of their lives to doing something outside of paid work, you have to know what you're dealing with and how that needs handling and how you can work with people to achieve your goals. So yeah, I spent a lot of time doing that and then when COVID hit within a month or two, for me it was the shoving the test up the nose thing for this prolific virus that was going around something, I thought yeah this is it, this is the time. And prior to that obviously we had Trump come in and upset the apple cart somewhat. So we could see there was the light at the end of the tunnel that was coming at that point. So for me, I started off just trying to get a feel within the movement, if you like, as it started growing as to who's authentic, who's not, how can we work.And I'm a single parent of three kids.[5:24] So, and I was working full time at the time. So for me to start something, I'm not gonna lie, I sat back and thought someone will do it in a minute.Someone will do something in a minute. Yeah, just waiting. And it became apparent that no one was actually going to take the bull by the horns and do some things that needed to happen.So I decided to do it. And PHA just organically started to be developed. And from there, it's just we launched last April and it's gone bonkers. It's been insane.[5:53] Well, tell us, I understand your thinking when you sit back and you wait for something to happen and you realize nothing happens.That's why it's fun jumping in and actually doing something.And I think we both probably end up talking to people and they tell us about their dreams.And we guys say, well, we've been doing X and Y, so why don't you do Z?And it's too much bother.But you've, I mean, it's fascinating, the simply before we get into people's health and self, just the people on the website.So let me bring up the website and let people see what they will see when they go on.That's just what you will see when you go on the website.But you've got a great number of ambassadors and anyone who has Dr. David Cartland or Dolores Cahill certainly been with us before and many others.Tell us about that kind of networking and pulling those like-minded people into the plans and the projects you had.[6:55] Yeah, so it wasn't difficult actually. It was just natural connections that were made because I'm a networker, I'm a connector, I love speaking with other people who are genuine and authentic.And there was certain like Sam White was the first guy I connected with and I went and met with Sam.You know, what he's been put through is just revolting. It's disgusting that any individual who's trying to help other people should go through what he's been through.And Dave Cartland, as such, has had similar issues afterwards.So once we kind of got established, I felt it was important that these guys felt not only were they supported by the people across the UK who knew what was going on, but they have much to offer.And we're, as a core group of volunteers who started PHA, none of us are medically trained.And we wanted to ensure that we could bring across supporters and ambassadors for PHA who come from a variety of different backgrounds, because what we do is integrative. It isn't just medical, it isn't just allopathic. We do believe there's space for both. And in fact, it's essential.We adopt both methods moving forward. So I got to connect with Sam and Dave, and we've all become really good friends, genuinely, you know, really good mates now. You know, we message each other regularly. They're real people. They're real people with feelings, and real people with skills and the real people who've got drive to make a difference and that's what we found with the ambassadors we work with, they all are so driven.[8:20] To bring real change to how we look at health as well as supporting accountability for what's taken place. And so just one-to-one I connected with them. One thing I think that's really important is we just remain human and we just remain really genuine and authentic in who we are and I think people like that about what we're doing. There's no egos involved with PHA, there's no agendas involved with PHA, it is about producing for the people and every single one of the ambassadors we've got including Dr Kat Linley who's been profoundly supportive on the medical side.[8:53] We need these people to help you know get message out there and the trouble we've got Peter is the same old adage across the board within the movement too few do very much for so many and we'd love to get more ambassadors on board to help and as time allows we'll get to it.
 
I love that that networking side as you pointed out the last three years one of the massive plus points in the midst of the chaos has been meeting people, connecting with people, making those new relationships of people maybe wouldn't traditionally have crossed. But looking at the, on the website you talk about a future where Big Pharma no longer has control over us and I think a lot of us have questioned that power that is over us and controls every area of our lives and not just big pharma but you have their big everything there's so many institutions and organizations but maybe want to tell us what the need is for the People's Health Alliance in the midst of that.[9:57] And yeah so tell us kind of how PHA fits into what need it addresses.
Yeah one of the main reasons I wanted to get started was it was the when the government announced that the NHS staff might be mandated for vaccines. And so for me, I could see there are a lot of doctors and nurses who would eventually become uncomfortable with this and want to leave.Now we don't want to lose that skill set, that expertise, that knowledge. You know, people still need healthcare across the UK. But we knew there were going to be far less medical practitioners available initially, because so many have swallowed what they were told. So, and there's such a place for natural approaches to health, more holistic approaches to health. And these guys, these homeopathic doctors and nutritionists and so forth, the knowledge they have is absolutely profound but they've always been pushed into the shadows because Big Pharma can't make money, a huge amount of money off the back of more natural approaches to health and preventative approaches to health. So whilst you look at Big Pharma and it just seems overwhelming, It's like, how do we stop this?How do we stop them? They are so big.[11:03] Actually, we have the power to do it. But we can start small. If you go into your community as a practitioner and start working with the more holistic and natural approaches and certainly in a preventative way, over time, you're going to eradicate the need for big pharma quite a lot more.Also what we want to support is if there are local producers in the UK who do manufacture and produce pharmaceuticals, essential pharmaceuticals, that's great.But by bringing it back to smaller businesses, bringing it back to a more community based way of living, you eradicate the need for the big control mechanisms that are there.And with everything we do under the People's Alliance, it is about eradicating that central power source and bringing the power back to the people, back to communities.So whilst Big Pharma, it seems like they're massive and they have a hold on everything.What you do in your community on the daily will eradicate the need for these big conglomerates that currently have the control in place.But we don't need them.We don't need them. And the sooner people realize that and step into their power, we're going to see change start to happen.
Yeah, I think we've all seen the Big Pharma are not there to help us help our health.They're there to make profits for their shareholders.That's why they exist. But we see the NHS system collapsing, whether by chance or by design, and I'm still trying to work that out personally.But yeah, the NHS completely collapsed.[12:29] Is what you're doing trying to set up another NHS? How does it kind of, when people see that as the model they understand, how does PHA fit into that understanding?
So we're not trying to replace the NHS. Predominantly what we're doing is creating safety nets and a way to start moving forward.So, you know, I've always been a huge proponent of the NHS. My mum's an NHS nurse for over 30 years. They've saved my life twice.You know, I've been on rallies in the past many years ago to support the NHS. It isn't a crack at the NHS per se, but the NHS are not performing.People cannot access health care. And so whilst we're not in a position right now as PHA to address things like secondary and acute care, We can certainly support at that primary care level and create safety nets.Another thing I foresaw coming was the fact that people might lose faith in the NHS.[13:19] And actually might say, no, I'm not going to go and see my doctor.I'm not going to go and see anyone about this or refuse to see it.They've lost confidence. So actually, it's really essential we still all take care of ourselves.And there's incredible practitioners out there who certainly at that primary care level can support people within the community.And it's giving them an affordable way to access that. But the beauty of what we do here is no health hubs will look the same from each other.It isn't about us at core who are providing resources and the information and so forth.It's about what you need in your community. So every single health hub looks unique, it looks a bit different. And what we want to encourage is more of that old school.[13:59] For the GPs to come in and create a relationship with the people within their community. At the the moment it's cattle fodder, you're in and out, five minutes, job done. The amount of GPs I've spoken to who really don't like working that way.So PHA want to bring back the opportunity for practitioners to connect with their patients on a one to one level, get to know them and understand them and people genuinely receiving solid support and advice on what they can do and how they can take care of themselves at home.Without the need as Dave Cartland put it, GP's just going there's a pill for every year or crack on, you know, we want to move away from that.
 
Yeah and I completely understand, I've got friends who are, don't want to go to their doctor because they are concerned if you're maybe older or weaker, they're worried about being forced to have jabs, they're worried about being forced to have medication that they don't want to have, so I completely get that concern about actually going and that trust is completely gone. But how is it set up practically? How does it work? Is it purely education? Is it actually people setting up a system where people can get treatment? Explain kind of how it does work and what your vision is for moving forward.[15:12] Yeah, so like I said, every hub is unique. So for example, we've got 10 physical hubs open in the UK in 10 months, which actually is profound. And it isn't us at core. This is the people doing it and doing it with very, very little money.So each one looks different.So some have what they call drop-ins, whereby their practitioners dedicate a morning a week, for example, to being able to see patients within their community and it's free of charge or donation is asked for.Some hubs are set up whereby they've got practitioners available all day, every day, where you can make an appointment, but we've asked every hub to ensure that there are schemes available for those in the community who may be on a low income or poverty situation. So we don't have people missing out.[15:54] Each hub looks different. And there's a really, really good reason for that.And that is because it's about empowering people.It's not about us at Central controlling things. It's about empowering and supplying resources for each community to create what it wants.So each one will look different, but there'll be a plethora of different practitioners available in every hub.It could be nutritionists, a homeopath, a chiropractor, and so on and so forth.And they refer to each other, different patients, depending on what they are analysing within that, you know, what they're finding with that patient.And then they can refer it over to a colleague who might be more expert in that field.And quite often, GPs, as it stands, and you know, you can speak to Dave Cartland about this, the amount of training they get in nutrition, for example, is actually pathetic.Whereas we know gut health and good nutrition is such an integral part of our health overall.So these hubs work differently. You don't see GPs often referring to anyone who will take a common sense, natural approach, if I'm honest, whereas these practitioners are encouraged to do so and they do.We've even got some groups who are creating, buying buses.and they're going to go around their local community and stop certain days each week for a few hours so people can access them, particularly those in a rural environment.That is one of the beauties of this. It is about empowering people to make decisions for what their community needs and doing it together.[17:21] And it's happening. We've got 30 counties now involved. We've got 30 hubs set up that serve in the community.Even if they haven't got a physical hub, there's virtual hubs. There are, like I say, the bus option.Some people are going and hiring a village hall for two mornings a week and just having a drop-in[17:36] situation where people can come by. So each one looks different and actually we love that, because this really is for people to create what they need for their community. Not be dictated to by somebody who doesn't go to their community and doesn't understand what's there or what the issues are. This is about the people identifying what they need and stepping into their power and creating it for others within their area.
 
It's a very different, it's an approach, a holistic approach I guess. We've come to reassess a lot of things, but I think for me it dawned whenever you were told, go and get your jab and you can get a doughnut. Okay, so how is that going to improve? And there is absolutely no focus or emphasis on healthcare, on nutritional value, on exercise, on physically looking. It was all get a jab, off a substance, and will make you all better. But I mean, tell us about that integrative approach, that whole approach, that connecting so many things, because that is maybe it's going back to what it was traditionally.[18:41] Or maybe it's reassessing and a new model going forward. But yeah, I mean, tell us that kind of connect approach, because that again, it's a departure from our traditional understanding of the NHS or healthcare.[18:56] Yeah, no, absolutely. Common sense, common sense is something that's brought back in. You know, back a number of years ago, decades ago, you know, your nan and your mum that have a kitchen cupboard full of natural herbs and teas and things that you could use tinctures to support your health.And we know the preventative way is the ideal way forward, let's be honest.So we do a huge amount in terms of education. It's available on the website on kitchen cupboard type[19:25] medical healing things you can do and so on and so forth.But what, for example, our health optimization program, which is on our website, I mean, anyone can take it up with stages one and two, but what it is, it's to help deal with the injured.And we take a very natural approach. but actually we look at things like gut health, stress, sleep, all of these different areas that actually anyone can go and look at the health optimization program and take something from it that will help build your immunity, but it's based on a natural common sense approach.And everything in our bodies is interconnected. We know that. So we also supply non-medical options for dealing with injuries that have been proven to replicate what you can do with certain pharmaceutical items. So we very much try and take a natural approach across the board. But we also don't deny the fact that there are situations whereby people do need to have an allopathic approach to their health and we absolutely welcome that.[20:28] But in terms of that preventative approach, we all have a responsibility to do something for ourselves. We've been led down this road based on fear over a number of decades about our health.The government across the world and the pharmaceutical companies have done an excellent job in letting us know how brittle we are, how likely we are to break, you know, and actually[20:50] that isn't the case. If we change the way we live and this is why it has to be an all-round the clock approach to how we move forward as societies because you know you've got the economic side, of things that makes a difference to how people's health looks, the societal differences across the board depending on where you live, on what you can do with your health and actually no we need to get, I hate to use the word equity, equality if you like, across society to deal with this because you've got mental health, you've not just got your physical health, we've got masses we need to do.And we have to see societal changes and that starts in your community, that starts with you people out there. So yeah, that's the kind of approach we take, but we're not here to dictate, we're here to guide and educate.
 
I guess ideally you'd want a system where people financially put in. I mean, when you think of the American model, in theory, that should work where you have an insurance scheme where you have something you pay in because what we pay in in our taxes doesn't seem to get anything out for the NHS and that's no longer free at the point of service anyway.So ideally you want something where you have more and more people becoming, I guess, paid up members who you pay. We pay subscriptions for many services so I don't see why we shouldn't pay it for access to health and healthcare we can trust. I mean, is that where because everything needs funding to make it happen. So tell us about that side.[22:20] Yeah, so that's the more difficult side of it, if you like, but it doesn't need to be hugely difficult, but it's a mindset shift. That's the biggest challenge is the mindset shift. So, for example, I was interviewing Dr. Kat Lindley this week, that'll be out soon. And we were talking about different models that doctors who leave the NHS can take in opening up their own practice within their community.And one of the model that Kat works with is[22:43] her patients pay a it's a sliding scale depending on what age you are and you pay a certain amounts each month. Now what that does is give the doctors the security of the financial income but she just makes herself available 24 seven.She doesn't just give a pill for I mean she takes a very holistic approach to how she deals with her patients and you would put Kat in the GP category I suppose in the UK.But she will, like if they've got the sniffles, are you taking your vitamins? Have you created this soup? What about doing this? You know, very holistic approach. At hub level, the way it works for a lot of the hubs is they're doing it again as a memberships thing. So you pay x amount each month and each hub will work that out, but you pay x amounts each month and you then can access all of the practitioners, for example, or some work on an independent level and they will give discounts to people who are, you know, financially not in a strong position. But what we've got to wrap our heads around in the UK is we do pay for the NHS. We pay quite heavily for the NHS. And what you see within the NHS is a massive amount of waste, huge amount of waste. And on the salaries for middle management, it's just unreal. I mean, we've looked at it. And actually, we could probably provide healthcare across the board, primary, secondary and acute care, for probably about one tenth of what the NHS is costing us right now. It's astounding and so much is wasted.[24:08] But that's because of the centralisation. It's about central bodies dictating to hospitals what they can spend, where they can spend it, who they can buy from and so forth. And actually they have no idea what that community looks like and what it needs. They have no idea what the requirements are on a local level. And as such, you've seen a one size fits all across the board. And that doesn't work. It's proven it doesn't work. If each hospital had control over its own budgets, its own finances, its own way forwards, who they bring in, the employment and so forth. I think we see a very, very different situation, but we don't have it. And until the government lets go of that and takes the power back to the hospitals or the local regions to take care of themselves, you're going to carry on seeing wastage. So don't think you don't pay for the NHS, you do pay for the NHS.I'm not saying the NHS should go, but what I am saying is I would love to see a situation whereby our tax money was allocated to us as people to spend on healthcare as we see fit, rather than us being dictated to and where our money should go.[25:03] Yeah, and we've certainly seen over the last three years, not just destruction on the NHS, on our health service, but also on health, people's health.When you're told stay at home, don't get any exercise, you don't really want to visit your daughter, it has a massive negative effect and then get jab with experimental jabs, another impact on health.So what this is, is needed, I guess, more than ever that nothing is working.The health service system is not functioning and people's health is in a much worse place than it was.And then you've got crazy, crazy waiting lists. And then you've got a supposed phone call with a doctor who will then someone somewhere will tell you without actually seeing anyone.The whole system is broken. tell us that impact on I guess healthcare since COVID and then the response to that.[26:03] Yeah, I mean, it's been dire. It's been absolutely dire. And we're seeing obviously with injuries, increasing issues across the board. It's a very difficult time for people. And I understand why people are frightened, people are worried. But actually raising your hand and saying, I need help right now is the best thing you can do. But I think we also need to bear in mind, It's not just been the physical health impact, a massive issue is the mental wellbeing. I mean, I cannot[26:31] express heavily enough just how much of an impact has taken place, even on those that are awake and aware and have seen it of what it is. You know, it's added a massive mental strain. And one thing that we're doing is working with partners across the UK. One in particular, our mental wellbeing ambassador, a lady called Helen Gibson, is currently beta testing, train of trainers on mental health first aid. So we're going to deliver that across the UK and train people like secondary level practitioners and so forth in how to deliver mental wellbeing first aid. It's going to be profound. And as people wake up, which they will, as people wake up across the UK, what we want to do is avoid any risk of kind of societal collapse because people just don't know how to cope. They don't know how to move forward. And this has affected our young people as well. This is not just us adults, our young people have been affected. It's incredibly important that we put a huge amount of onus and focus on how we can heal people on the mental side of things, how we can work with them to support them through that.And we need people across every single community getting trained in mental wellbeing first aid so we can catch them when they fall. Because this is about us, don't let the division come into this.That we've all got to help each other. We know who the bad guys are. They're the ones who should be getting our[27:44] anger, I suppose we want a better word, but no, we've got to put some onus here, not just on the physical wellbeing, which needs a lot of work, but on the mental wellbeing as well.But again, it's about education, it's about taking it back to basics, it's about good nutrition, good sleep, good gut health, you know, really start to take care of yourself, taking the good vitamins that you need.All of that's on our website and it's going to keep building and keep building those resources and education.But there are specialists out there, there are experts out there in this field.Go and find your local practitioners on our directory, on our website, and reach out to them.And if money is an issue, the amount we speak to who say, just put a little donation of what you can or let's just work something out moving forward.I've got one lady who happily will see her patients with a dozen eggs or something else in return.So don't be put off by the fact that they are private practitioners.Reach out because I tell you what the ones I'm speaking to are incredibly generous and kind.We are all here to help each other and we mustn't lose sight of that.[28:49] Let me focus on that a little bit more because I remember talking to David the first time I interviewed him and realizing, I think it could have been actually after the interview, realizing that we need a separate system that actually offers healthcare for individuals.And I remember earlier on David mentioning the People's Health Alliance and I've seen a number of initiatives in the US, which are of course always well funded and they can make things happen.We are always working seemingly on a shoestring in the UK where you have the individuals, but not necessarily the finance. America sometimes did the finance before the individuals.But here in the UK, looking on the website, it's not just that you have a dozen or so, GPs or health professionals around the country, but actually you have pages and pages and pages.So, I mean, tell us more about it because what you're building isn't actually on the education side, isn't actually saying, well, if you follow this, you'll be better and we need that. But it actually is about giving that access.And that's something that is desperately needed. And I have been concerned that that maybe wasn't happening, but that is literally what you're doing on the ground.[30:13] Absolutely. One of the most overwhelming things that happened when we, well, prior to us actually launching, was we connected with literally hundreds of holistic practitioners. It could be people from a background in homeopathy, it could be reflexology, it could be nutrition, chiropractor, osteoporosis.So many actually cried with joy that we were doing this genuinely cried with joy because they have been forced into the shadows.They haven't been taken seriously. And these guys, there's doctors out there, naturopathic doctors who are immense.They trained in both allopathic and holistic approaches.You know, the knowledge base out there is phenomenal. And we wanted to give a platform to these guys who want to shine a light on it.They have so much to offer. And because of Big Pharma and, you know, the NHS approach and so forth, they haven't been given the opportunity. I think you can still get homeopathic treatments paid for through the NHS in Scotland, but you can't in the UK and yet you used to be able to. But that's been taken away now. And these guys are incredible, absolutely incredible. They have so much to give, they are so excited to be able to have a light shining on them now so they can show what they can do. You know, we've got some homeopathic doctors who are having incredible success with some vaccine injured, for example. You know, people underestimate what is available out there and the amount of doctors we're seeing like your Sam Whites and others that are coming out of the NHS and actually training[31:38] in a different holistic sphere. So we are now connecting with different colleges and education providers across the UK to get discounts for people through PHAs. So if you're a doctor you want to leave the NHS, maybe you want to take a more holistic approach to how you treat your patients.You've still got the allopathic knowledge there, you're still able to access that, but maybe you want to understand more.[32:00] On the holistic side. So we're keen to get doctors and nurses trained up should they want it in different holistic practices. So it gives them a broader spectrum and knowledge as well as what other practitioners they can do when they refer. You know we want to give as many doctors the options as we can and nurses to get involved with it. But yeah it's been, it's not easy on the financial front because we ask for donations from the public. Great people are very kindly donating, we've got the power of the pound campaign where we ask people to donate one pound a month ongoing, you know, we're very realistic as to what's going on out there and what people are up against. But yeah, we haven't, in all honesty, we haven't sourced big funding, we haven't gone after big donors at this stage, we do need to do that. But as with everything, it's still relatively speaking, a small skeleton crew that are driving PHA forward. And there's so many hours, only so many hours in the day. But we're not here about big conferences, big marketing budgets, this sort of stuff, we could have ploughed money into that, but we're not, we're ploughing it back into functionality. And we want to plough more back into getting hub doors open. We've got so many hub groups this far away from opening their doors. And it might just be that financial thing, it could be just five grand they need to just flick the switch and be able to get live. So if anyone out there is in a position to donate, please kindly do. We are very transparent with where money is spent.[33:22] We are very frugal. And that's probably down to me. I've been a single mum for 25 years. You watch where every single penny goes and you use it in the most optimum way to have the biggest impact. So yeah, finances are difficult but we're not going out there getting money from Big Pharma. Integrity is key and we tend to lead by example.
Let me just show people where, because I didn't actually believe it until I was looking through your website. Many people talk about what's possible and give you a great spiel, then you realise the substance doesn't actually back it up. But if people go on to the website and click on the practitioners, you can get a map, you can put in your details. And as you can see, it is a lot of... We could go one by one, we could take maybe a few hours, literally, you can scroll down and people are there. So people could just go, they can put in their postcode and I looked and there are a number near me actually, just did a search while we've been speaking. But people can go, they can put in their postcode, they can put in their area and they can see and they can contact someone directly. Is that how it works?[34:40] Yep, absolutely. So we are just updating the hub list, which will be live hopefully by the end of the weekend. We're actually updating the whole website at the moment as we've worked out better ways for us to work. So and bear in mind, the majority of everything done through PHA is done by volunteers. And so that's why this is such a phenomenal success People aren't here making bundles of money. This has been done by the will of the people. But yes, you can go onto the map, go and look up a practitioner, you might have a particular modality that you're looking for, for example, you know, you might want to find a nutritionist. So you can go and find who is in your area, we make no promises, we make no, you know, anything outside of that. Because one thing that's happened as well, we want to encourage is people to figure things out for themselves. For so long, we've been spoon fed intentionally, we've been spoon fed on how we need to work our lives, who we need to go and see how things should be. And we're breaking the mould here, we're saying no, think for yourself, Find out what works for you.So we're doing lots and lots of Zooms and round tables with various members from different modalities.So people can start to learn, well, what's the difference between this and that type of modality?What works for me? It's about choice. It's about option. It's about you deciding what you need, not being told what you need, but you deciding what works for you.And we want to encourage that. And the practitioner directory is a great place to start.These guys, they've been checked.[36:03] We know they're legitimate, but it's over to you. It's over to you to take control of your health, be responsible for your health and use these practitioners to support you on your health journey.And, you know, one day we might have to come into secondary and acute care, but hey, we can start with primary care now because it's not costing us bundles of money that we don't have.But yeah, there's bigger plans. But unfortunately, we're going to need money for that and that time will come.
And what you're doing is needed. It's not just a one off thing, supposedly in the last few years of chaos and then it goes back.There is no going back to normal. This is the normal where we have seen actually some of the institutions as being against us, as being the enemy. And it's quite weird when you think that of the government, of the police, of the legal system, of the health system, not actually for you or working with you, but they're there for others. But so what you're doing is, is long term. It's not just, you know, over the last few years with COVID, well, we needed something, but now we're getting back to normal so we can just go back to the systems that we once trusted.They're gone. They're not there anymore. So what you're doing is for the long term.[37:18] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We have to all understand that we are going to need to create new ways forward, be that health, be that food production, be that education, be it local politics, alternative media. There are so many ways people can be empowered and helping to create the new. And as we're watching the old crumble, it's very important we start putting those safety nets into place because what we don't want to see is people full of fear, people full of worry that actually what now, the NHS is crumbling? What do I do? What do I do? Don't worry.All right, you've got the NHS still, it is still there, but it isn't necessarily a sustainable model right now.We're building for the future, not just us, other groups across the world.There's incredible authentic grassroots groups across the world doing fantastic work.And a lot of those will be highlighted on my new podcast. But, you know, there are community groups out there already doing it.[38:09] PHA has had such an impact that we've got hubs open in Australia, New Zealand.I mean, those two countries have been absolutely flying along.They're already open.They're working in less than six months. It's astounding. We've got groups opening up now in Portugal, Spain.Canada's not far away. It's really taken hold. And I think the reason it works so well is because we are not dictating what you should do.We're supplying you with bundles of information, resources, ideas, blueprints, all the rest of it, for you to go and create what you need.We've got a few very simple principles. We ask people to buy buy, like do no harm, for example.Very, very simple, but key ones.And it's over to you. You can do this. Don't think for a minute.You're only being told you can't do it by either your own mind or the government.Don't listen. You are more than capable of doing it and we need to build the future.And PHA is a solid part of that.[39:02] And the community action, the community hubs, it's going back to what it traditionally was and not just during COVID where we were told, stay away from each other, that people are bad.And therefore put that massive divide and destroyed any interaction and connections that people have.I mean, that kind of moving away, that losing connections with your neighbour or family or friends, that's been happening anyway, but COVID certainly has sped that up.So I guess it is essential and important that these community hubs go in place because they will provide that.I mean, when you go to your GP, you go there, you feel as though you're going to get more sick because the people you look around you and you just want to get out of there. So it's in and out.Again, what you're talking about with community hubs, with those networks is somewhere where you go for just more than actually to fix your health issue.It's about those connections and networking.
Yeah, I mean, we're connected to groups like the pharmacy cooperative.So on the PFA side, they're one of our partners.We are connected with some community assemblies. We've connected with a lot of groups across the UK.[40:13] And some of these guys are creating community hubs whereby there's an education element.They've got a PHA hub in there.They've got a PFA side to it or cooperative side to it, where the food's concerned for local food production.I mean, these hubs are becoming quite serious now, you know, and they are going to become the heart of communities and you're absolutely right, we're just producing a blueprint now actually[40:35] with our teams to create youth hubs across the UK and some of these will be adopted by the community hubs. Now our kids have had a tough time, you know, really I can't express enough how much we need to start doing for our young people to support them through it from the mental, physical and spiritual side of their own well-being and these youth hubs are going to be absolute lifesavers for some kids. You know, we've got a lot of young carers out there as it is. I think with the injuries, we're going to see more young carers coming to the fore. We need to take care of our children.And so these youth hubs will be educational. There'll be an escape, a safe escape for kids to go to. At the moment, you go to the park, young kids. What else is there? What really else is there?Screens. Screens. And we've seen the damage that can be caused by a number of social media apps and and so on and so forth. So we want to create environments for the communities to grow, to heal, to benefit on all levels and that includes our young people and these community hubs are going to become an essential part of building the new and moving forward together. Like you say, we've been ostracized from our neighbours and encouraged to have that distance intentionally. I don't believe for a second this is accidental, this is intentional. So you either let them win that or.[41:46] You say no, I'm actually going to go out there and connect with my neighbours, I'm going to go and and see my elderly neighbour who gets no visitors and have a cup of tea.I'm gonna go and look after the garden of my elderly neighbour who can't do it for herself.And hey, what, we'll grow some food for her and ourselves.There are a million different ways you can support the people in the community.Don't think for a second government to come into the rescue.They are not, certainly not the current government we've got.So we either sit back and wait for some sort of white horse that doesn't seem to be arriving, or we get off our butts and we do it for ourselves.And that's what we do. That's what other community groups do.That's it, our partners and affiliates that we work with encouraging people within their community to take back their power, step into it and support each other.[42:24] Yeah there's no one coming to help, it's us or no one. As we finish you dropped in some other things and maybe you can finish letting the people know what they are. You mentioned your podcast, you've mentioned PFFA which is the People's Food and Farming Alliance. I know we've talked before about the Vote Freedom Project, do you want to just touch on those to give us a flavour of what they are and what people should expect.
 
Yeah, absolutely. So because my heart[42:56] ultimately, historically has been in agriculture and farming, that's where I started my awakening and it's still an issue now. In fact, it's a more of an issue than it's ever been before. So we formed the People's Food and Farming Alliance last September. There's three strands to that of where we support through resources, education, that's grow your own, community growing groups and then farmers and producers. Now the grow your own is self-explanatory through community growing groups. We're connecting with groups out there, groups out there doing it.They are absolutely flying along and we've shown blueprints and models and we continue to do so, how you form a community growing group, why it's important and we connect with partners like the Pharmacy Cooperative and others in order to deliver logistical support in making that happen.We also have a partner like the Open Food Network which can be found on our website where they plot every single producer shop individual who produces food or food products for people across the UK, across the world actually. So you can go and find, similar to our directory, you can go and find who's local to you and you can start sourcing directly. And then the other side of it is supporting farmers and producers in very practical common sense ways through new accreditation systems, on-site butcheries, on-site feed mixes and so forth, because what we need to do is we need to take out the big controlling mechanisms which are the conglomerates and do it for ourselves.So, PFFA is about finding common sense solutions and getting them out there again into the communities.[44:19] We've also now got my podcast All Hands on Deck. That's now just starting off. And what that is, is to give a platform to those community groups and those individuals across the UK who are already making a difference. But they haven't got a big marketing budget. They haven't got a big way of communicating with the world. But that people need to know and be inspired by what is actually already going on. These are the heroes of the grassroots. These are the guys out there, not doing a song and dance about it, they're getting their heads down and getting it done.So if you're that's all just starting off now we've got a few episodes already up that's all hands on deck.[44:50] And the final thing that I'm working on is I've connected with a few people we've produced, we've just started the Vote Freedom project. Now what this is, is actually for me personally very essential. I don't have any faith in any party politics anymore. We've got MPs and would-be MPs across the country who are dictated to by their political party. They have to abide by certain rules, they could be influenced by donors, they could be influenced by the whip. What we want to to see is 650 freedom-loving MPs standing up in the Houses of Parliament in come 2024, who are there to just represent their constituents. A lot of reasons potential candidates go to the parties is because they need the support in terms of standing, the bureaucracy, the paperwork, dotting the i's, crossing the t's, the campaigning and so forth. The Vote Freedom Project will help do that with you.If you are genuinely, authentically looking to stand and support freedom for people across the UK, we'll support you through that so you can stand as an independent and that's what the Vote Freedom Project is all about.
 
Okay so it's all hands on deck and looking at the PFFA and that's just you put FF there instead of the H and Vote Freedom Project. All the links will be in the description whether you're watching or listening to the podcasting apps. Katherine thank you so much for coming on it's really exciting what's happened as I said I first heard it from David Cartland and it's exciting to see when something moves from an idea to actually rolling it out and it's happening.So thank you for coming on today and sharing what's happening.[46:20] Thank you so much for having me, Peter. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Not at all. Thank you and thank you to our viewers and listeners for tuning in.Do make use of all the links in the descriptions and we will see you very soon for our next interview.So thank you and goodbye.

Tina Descovich - How Moms for Liberty is Empowering Parents to Reclaim Education

Moms for Liberty have really put themselves on the map in two short years. Parents have been crying out for an organisation that helps them mobilise a common sense opposition to an increasingly woke education establishment and to connect like minded concerned families. Moms for Liberty founder, Tina Descovich joins us to discuss how it started and how they have grown all over the US to become the most visible group that stands up for parental rights at all levels of government and how this could be replicated in the UK and elsewhere.Join us this episode to be inspired and please share with all the moms, dads, grands, aunts, uncles and friends out there! Tina Descovich has a long record of fighting for students and parental rights in Florida and at the national level. She was elected to the Brevard County, FL school board in 2016. She was selected by her peers in 2017 to serve as Vice Chairman and Chairman in 2018. While on the school board she was a member of The Florida Coalition of School Board Members and served as the organization’s president in 2018. Tina currently serves on several non-profit boards in her community that are aimed at helping children. She and her husband Derek have five children. She is passionate about America and is dedicated to protecting liberty and freedom for the future of all children.Moms for Liberty are Moms, Dads, Grands, Aunts, Uncles and Friends.They welcome all that have a desire to stand up for parental rights at all levels of government.The founders are Tiffany and Tina, moms on a mission to stoke the fires of liberty. As former school board members, they witnessed how short-sighted and destructive policies directly hurt children and families. Now they are using their first-hand knowledge and experience to unite parents who are ready to fight those that stand in the way of liberty. Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government. Their vision is to see Americans empowered and thriving in a culture of Liberty.Moms for Liberty are joyful warriors who stand for truth, build relationships and empower others.Connect with Tina...TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TinaDescovich?s=20Connect with Moms for Liberty...WEBSITE: https://www.momsforliberty.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Moms4LibertyFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/Moms4LibertyYOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2H19eKURyI364Q3Rv-o_5gInterview recorded 22.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up, this time with Tina Descovich from Moms for Liberty. We followed Moms for Liberty for quite a while. I bumped into her at an event over stateside a few weeks ago and it is really exciting what has been happening there.In two years they have grown all across the US, over 100,000 members with 270 chapters, groups all across America engaging with school boards, with schools and getting 270 or something people elected onto school boards. Really exciting. We talk about why they're there, why they're needed, their engagement with political figures. Obviously they started in Florida and you've got Governor Ron DeSantis who's a governor who understands that children must be protected from these ideologies and cannot be sexualised. So talk about how working in a state which understands that to working in states that maybe don't get that and where it's more uphill battle, mention the church and churches engagement with this issue and whether they need to become international. They've done so much in two years and it's an example to us in other countries at what can be done here where we are. So I know you'll enjoy listening to Tina as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
Tina Descovich, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:51] Glad to be here. Thanks for having me, Peter.
 
Not at all. Tina is co-founder of Mums For Liberty.All the links are in the description. MumsForLiberty.org and you can find her on her Twitter handle @TinaDescovich.And were going to talk about Mums For Liberty and I think I look back and you were first selected to a school board 2016. So you've been kind of involved in that whole area of engagement with our children, which we'll discuss why many parents don't. But tell us how you first got involved in that school board back in 2016.
Easy enough. I have two kids at home at the time in public schools. You know, I first got engaged, like most people do, volunteering in the classroom, things of that nature. As my oldest reached middle school, I started paying more attention to what was being brought home in the curriculum and being taught and started seeing some concerning things about American history.[2:50] Started asking more questions. And then here in Florida, in the United States, they passed some law that expanded testing for children. And it was just some absurd law. It was like it was being interpreted wrong locally also. And so school districts were creating these standardized tests, that all students were going to have to take for every grade level in every class. So it was like a massive stressful standardized test for kindergartners to take gym and art. And it was really ridiculous.And so I went down and I thought, you know, I talked to the school board and they're like, And it's not us. We didn't do it. It's the state's fault. And so I called my local representative, and he agreed to meet with me.And I went down there, and he said, we didn't do that. And I said, yes, you did.Let me show you the testing schedule from our district. And he was surprised.And to make a really long story short, the whole law, the policy, the way it was out on the road was changed within 30 days.And it really empowered me, just as an average mom that had a concern, it showed me that I could make a difference.A little bit of action, a few phone calls, and taking time to explain to people what's going on, I could really make a difference in education, in government, in all kinds of ways.So when the seat came open in 2016 in my area to run for school board, by then I had all kinds of issues I was concerned about in the school district.I decided to throw my hat in the ring and run for school board and won my election in 2016.[4:19] Tell us, two years ago you co-founded Moms for Liberty and you've grown rapidly in numbers and in recognition of what you're doing.[4:31] It seems as though looking from far away here in the UK at what you're doing there that many parents were just waiting for an organisation like what you've set up for them to belong to and be part of. Is that a fair assessment?[4:47] I would say 100%. We were watching parents as COVID was happening and schools were staying closed, and parents were trying to go to school board meetings to speak out, to ask for schools to be open, to change how the classes were being streamed into their homes or to talk about forced quarantining of healthy children. You know, most everyone saw they would get their mics shut off. School boards were closing doors and not allowing them in to speak. They were changing their speaking times from three minutes to one minute or 30 seconds or not allowing them to speak at all. And it was really a problem for a lot of parents in this country. And so, you know, we kind of looked, I say we, Tiffany Justice is the other co-founder of Moms for Liberty, and she also served on a school board in Florida from 2016 to 2020. And we have the same experiences. And so when we came off of our terms in 2020, and we kind of were having some conversations and looking at what was was going on, we thought, we know how to help these people really advocate, how to articulate what their concerns are and how to really make change.And so we launched Mom's for Liberty here in Florida. Our goal, we launched January 1, 2021.And our goal was just to kind of be in Florida, help parents in Florida advocate.That's what we knew. In two weeks, we got a call from Long Island, New York.[6:04] Mom said, I really want to start a chapter. I need one here.And I called Tiffany, and I'm like, I don't know anything about education in New York.In the United States. It's very different from state to state, the laws and how education is run and who has authority and control. And so I just said, I don't know anything about it. And she said, Tina, this really isn't about me and you. This is a movement and parents need this tool to be able to organize to make change. And so we said, okay, sure, we can do New York. And now here we are a little over two years and we have 270 chapters in 44 states and 115,000 moms that are actively[6:37] fighting on the ground.
 
How do you connect with that? Is it mainly through the website? You provide resources? I mean tell us how you actually pull that together and make sure those members have, I guess, the tools they need to actually stand up and engage with their school.
We started with no money. We started with $500 that I put forward and I bought some t-shirts that said Moms for Liberty and sold them for a 50% or 60% profit so that I could then build up enough to buy a new computer. I was thinking about it this morning actually, you know, the back bedroom $500 box of t-shirts and a 10-year-old Mac computer is what I designed our logo on and what I built our website on and it would just spin and spin and it was so painful and I remember being so excited when we finally had enough money to buy me a new computer so that I could make some of our graphics.Anyway, I digress a little bit. We worked on our website and social media. We used as a tool to[7:37] connect and recruit people. We have private Facebook groups that we would kind of meet in by chapter. But really, as we've grown, we are very well structured. We're organized by county.We have a chapter chair in each county. They register as a legal entity of Moms for Liberty.They meet in monthly chapter meetings, live meetings they're required to if they launch a chapter to actually have physical meetings where people show up.And they have an agenda to follow. They put together an agenda and it always includes reviewing what the school board is doing in your local community.And so we make sure you get eyes on that. And honestly, the minute anybody looks at a school board agenda, there's all kinds of things to stand up for and fight.So there's plenty, there's plenty there to do. We have monthly meetings via Zoom nationally where all the leaders of each organization get on and that's where we do a lot of our training.We've been traveling to states and doing state leadership trainings now that we've grown so much. And then annually we have our National Summit, which is just a, I can't even explain what our National Summit is like.We have 30 breakout sessions of training from everything, how to run from school board, how to run a campaign to issues like gender ideology, critical race theory that are facing us. We bring in experts. It's just, it's an amazing time. So that's going to be the summer in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And we're really looking forward to that.[8:58] What, what was it that kind of started you on this road? Was there a particular issue? Because now we're seeing a whole mass of issues which are impinging on, I guess, parents' right to parent and the state is pushing a lot of things that many, many parents are massively concerned about. But for you, was it a certain topic that you'd seen or a paper you'd seen that sparked off, you need to get involved?
 
So I, when I ran first for school board, one of the four key things I ran on was parental rights because I saw then that there were real concerns about school districts and higher levels of government making decisions that parents should be making about their children.[9:43] And it was the trend was not was not in parents favour of how that was going.Once I served on school board, I learned so many other things.And I can speak for Tiffany, my co-founder, because we have the same story when we say this.Once we served on school board, we saw not only the entities like school districts and state and local governments making decisions on behalf of children that parents should be making.We saw how much power teachers unions have in making decisions on behalf of children and families.And it was, it wasn't a pretty sight. Neither one of us liked it. We had to try to, and when you're serving on a school board, you can't push back against the teachers union. It's your job to be impartial. It's your job to bring everybody to the table for negotiations.There's it's really a complicated situation and you are ultimately the judge if there if the whole process goes to impasse And the district is fighting over salary with the union.[10:35] You're you have to be an impartial judge and act at that capacity So you're really cut your hands are tied on the work you can do in that area, So, you know once I was no longer on the school board I was able to I guess sing like a bird about about how government entities are stepping on parental rights and how unions are are really have way too much power in public education for a very long time.And so those are the things we focus on. Our mission, I'm not sure if I've stated that yet with you, but our mission at Moms for Liberty is to save America by unifying, educating, and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.It's a very specific mission. We stay laser focused, and I think that's why we are so successful.We have a very clear understanding that once you lose your right to raise your children, how you see fit, once someone else is able to make decisions on your behalf that you are just adamantly against, all is lost.Like your family's lost, your community's lost, and for us, America will be lost.
I think one of the strap lines used a lot is we do not co-parent with the government.I love that, because that...Makes you step back as a parent and think, well, that's true.Well, what right of the government?Because I think we have, in many countries in the West, we have entrusted our government too much and trust that they will do the right thing because you think the best of others.But I love that strap line. Would you not co-parent with the government?[12:04] Yeah, Tiffany first, I think, said that before Mom's Liberty was even born.She said it on her school board in a school board meeting one time.And so she brought that to the organization.We picked up on it. Our best-selling shirt for the first year was, we don't co-parent with the government shirt.We still have signs, and we use that, because it really defines what we're trying to say.And when we speak about it, we say, I will partner with my kids' teachers, 100%.We want to partner to help my child to be educated and be a better person.But we do not co-parent. You are not the parent. You're not the final say.I'll partner with you to make things better, but the final say is me.
And I think all it does, we talk about the culture wars. There are a lot of conversation about that.And it does boil down to actually the next generation. It boils down to children, it boils down to education.And I think what you're doing is getting to the root of that where often you will see different organizations trying to fight the fires.And it's interesting what you're doing because you are trying to get to the roots of where the issue is, which is educating our children, as only when that can be solved, then we can actually begin to win this.So yeah, I think what you're doing is central in regards to that.[13:22] In America, our NAEP scores, which are global test scores, came out last year.And America's scores were dismal at best.We have the worst reading scores that we've had since the 1980s and the worst math scores that we've ever had in the United States of America.Something is terribly wrong with our education system. People have known it instinctively for a while.Nobody's been able to really articulate the problem or, you know, hasn't just just haven't done a good job at articulating the problem.And then what we saw in 2020 with a lot of riots in our cities, a lot of racial tensions happening, it became even more clear, like, something is really, what is happening?People just couldn't quite figure out, how do we get here? How do we get to Antifa rioting in our streets?And how did this happen?And Tiff and I were like, we know how this happened. And so again, how do you stay silent?How do you go home and just take your kids and make dinner when you know you have the answer?And it's unfortunate.It's unfortunate. Our schools in America are so focused on social justice.They're so focused on all these issues that have nothing to do with reading and writing and arithmetic.And it's showing, it's showing in the test scores. It's showing in the riots in the streets.And what our chapters have found when they've really dug into curriculum, and assignments that have come home.[14:51] Is that there's a lot of anti-American rhetoric in our curriculum that we're teaching children.So why are there riots in the streets? Well, for the last 20 years or so, there's been anti-American curriculum.And so the students are getting these messages in public schools for 12 years that America is systemically bad, that our systems are broken, and the only way to fix them is to break them down completely and rebuild them.Parents don't believe that. That's not what I was taught in school.It's not what I believe now.And yet I send my child off and they're being taught that for 12 straight years.And so that's why there's riots in the streets.[15:27] We have exactly the same where children are taught to hate British life, British culture, British history, British empire, that's all bad and there's a rush to rewrite it. And that focus is really strange. I guess back in the day, if you look back other generations, people got involved in teaching. People wanted to be teachers because they wanted to make sure schools were doing well in arithmetic and writing and reading and there was a focus on that.[15:58] You sit back and look at it, how has that changed from you say it is now a focus on social justice and away from the basic building blocks which it's always been, teachers wouldn't really have brought their opinions in necessarily, it was simply to make sure the children could do the best at those, the three R's we call them, reading, writing, arithmetic.How has it changed so massively from that focus?
 
There's a couple answers I think here.One is the teaching colleges have, I don't think a lot of our teachers recognize that these are opinions that they're teaching.This is what they've been taught. That's why I say this has been going on for decades for us to get where we are.[16:44] It's what they were taught in school now. We're a generation behind.And then it's in the textbooks and curriculum that's handed to them.And why would they think any different?And so I can really see a glaring difference between older, really well-seasoned teachers right now and the new teachers that are coming in.And the new teachers, they're the ones coming straight into the classroom and saying, and they think they're being open-minded.They think they're being more inclusive and more accepting. But the new teachers that are coming out say, please tell me which pronoun you would like to be known by, you know, and the older teachers were like, it's a boy or a girl, I'm not doing this game. And unfortunately, the older teachers are starting to retire and all of our teachers are being replaced with the ones that just came out of teaching college that were taught the right thing to do on day one, the fair and the just thing to do is really ask their pronouns, not only on the day one, but every morning because know, they can change from day to day.[17:44] We've had a massive push on that. We've had a situation which has exploded, which is the biggest gender reassignment clinic for children here in the UK, which has now been shut down.Tavistock has now been shut down. In March, there are up to a thousand parents who are taking the government to court over it.But again, I'm thinking, when I look at it kind of politically, that's all happened under, in the UK, a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years. And it's curious because you used to think a conservative government used to conserve, used to keep those traditions, and yet, a lot of this confusion has happened under them. And as much as I think I would like to lay it at the feet of the left, of Biden, of the left of the UK. It seems to be that a lot on the[18:44] supposed right have also become confused and afraid to stand up for what is right. Is that kind of what you've seen as well?
 
Yeah, they're not confused. They are afraid. So, and I do lay this at the feet of the left. Absolutely. That's been their agenda. They are the the ones pushing it and they are the ones that have had a plan for decades to change and reform society into this. And it is working. What you can blame the conservatives for and the average American or British citizen that just wants to get up in the morning, go to work, come home, have dinner with your family, just average normal people is they don't want to be called a bigot. They don't want to be called a homophobe. They don't want to be a hateful person. And who does? Nobody wants to be that. And most conservatives, at least in America are just like, nice, mind to themselves, maybe go to church on Sundays, just want to spend time with their family. They don't want to be attacked on social media as a bigot.And so they think, well, I'll just be quiet, let them do them, and I'll do me and it'll be fine. But they have pushed so far, so far now that we can't just let them do them. It's not even happy. It's like they're not even happy. Let them do them. They're infiltrated our classrooms, whole states here in the United States, comprehensive sex ed, I don't want to make a leap on you, but it includes gender ideology.Whole states here, state of New Jersey, has adopted that for all the students in the state of New Jersey.So that means pre-K through third, by the end of second grade, I think.[20:09] Which here is like, what, five, six, seven year olds, they have to understand the gender identities and that it can be fluid.[20:16] That's not you do you and I do me. That's you pushing what you believe in your ideologies on me and my family and my kids. And that's why the final line in the sand for us, we're here, we're at it, we're moms.And boy do our moms take the heat and the criticism. I mean, just go on our social media right now and look at the comments.I delete the ones that have profanity or are really obscene, but I leave most of them up.And they just call you all hateful, hate monger, bigot. I leave those up.And it doesn't feel good, especially and it's your local community, it's your neighbours calling you that, but it's time to stand.[20:51] I think it was, I looked at your Wikipedia page, which isn't always the wisest thing, but I did have to laugh. It said, many have described Moms for Liberty to be an extremist group and they've been designated as a hate group. And I'm wondering, what is hateful or extremist about wanting the best for your children?
 
You know, it's actually been upgraded. It used to to say Moms for Liberty is an extremist hate group.And now somebody invested it to say many have called them as.I'm like, oh, well, at least they know. It's getting better.The Wikipedia page used to be really, really bad. The first time I read it, I was like, oh, my heck.But I don't know how all that works. They have people that keep submitting, and I don't have time to deal with it.So it's just, I'm thankful that it's a little better than it was.But yeah, do I look like an extremist?Am I a hate group? Do I hate anybody? No.It's not even how I function in life. And most of our moms are that way.We call ourselves, I was looking for my joyful warrior hat.We call ourselves joyful warriors at Moms for Liberty. We're gonna fight like that, but we're gonna do it with a smile on our face because this is serious business, but we don't want our kids seeing us angry and miserable and hateful.
Oh, that's a good way to look at it.[22:03] You looked at, tell us about kind of how states work. Cause here in the UK, our model is really, you've got within the whole of England, it's generally the same.You've got local education authorities, which would be smaller kind of areas, and they decide, and they're quite difficult to actually get into and find out what they're putting it out.In the US, you've got a clear demarcation, I guess, and more visible, which is state by state.Tell us how, kind of how much it does differ by states.[22:37] I have a question for you really fast. Are your school leaders in an area, are they elected or appointed?
So we have again, completely different and I have watched the school board meetings with jealousy, a lot of jealousy and envy because we don't have that. We have a small school board of governors and small, you may have maybe half a dozen, But it's not really talked about or publicized.And I know the school one of my children are at. They say, well, there's a five-year waiting list.And it's kind of more cloak and daggers. And it's not really out there where what you do is open.And people can see it. They can engage with it. So here the parents vote.But it's not that well known or publicized.[23:25] Sounds like you need some Moms for Liberty chapters in the UK to liven this up. So here, this is a hard topic for me to talk to you in another country about because I am so passionate about America's form of government. I think it's the best there is, and so I don't want to come off as arrogant or offensive to the British form of government, but I don't know exactly how it works.
Doing what you've done in two years, go for it. Say what you like.
I love our form of government. So first of all, our federal constitution, it basically says that if it's not written in this document, the authority belongs to the states. And so the federal constitution doesn't talk about education. So from day one when America was born, when we broke away from you all, education belonged to the state or even more local, actually. But in[24:23] in modern America, the states have really taken a priority on that.And it looks different from state to state, which is also fascinating to watch how it's set up, how it's structured.But the one thing that's the same and it's truly American is that school boards are elected except for one state, Hawaii.Hawaii appoints their school board for the whole state.And we're working on that because that is a problem for me. That is not American. And so you elect your school board members and the laws and policies that states have put in place.It's just beautiful. I mean, here where I live,all of the curriculum, when you adopt a textbook, you have to put it out publicly for two public school board meetings. You have to notify in your local paper that there's a book that's about to be adopted for your district. You have to stop the meeting, hit the gavel and say, because I was chair of our school board, is there anyone here tonight that wants to speak about this book we're about to adopt? You know, there's much more formal language than that. And you have to pause and then, you have to ask again. By law, you have to ask twice, is there anyone here? And you have to open up the microphone and let them complain all they want or support all they want the books you're about to adopt into a school district. And it's like that all across the country. So our form of government is set up for parents to be 100% involved and drive education in your local community.[25:38] However, I served on a school board. Parents did not take advantage of that, not the four years I was there. And so, you know, I would put out, we're about to adopt a textbook and I will tell you the room would be empty. And, you know, I would put it out on social. I would shout from the rooftops, We're about to adopt a history textbook.I'm just a school board member. I don't have time to review 12 years of history textbooks for every grade level before I adopt them. I need the community to be involved.I need parents to be doing this. And so it's one of the reasons we created Moms for Liberty the way we did.Now we have 115,000 moms and parents around the country that are taking the time to review these things.And they can give the feedback to their school board members.At a very minimum, they're being good citizens. They're participating in the process.And so yes, when you say you're jealous watching the school board meetings, I understand because I love it.It is, that's my like theatre. That's my Hollywood, watching school board meetings.
And you're obviously in a state, Florida, that has taken this seriously. We heard De Santis, I heard him speak the first time the other week over there in Miami talking about what he is doing, his track record, and you sit back and you think, wow, it's impressive he gets it. Tell us about that political engagement, because as you say, some states get it and some states don't.[27:00] Governor DeSantis has gotten it pretty much from the beginning, at least from Moms for Liberty. So when we first launched in 2021, a lot of the districts in Florida were still force masking children. And we were looking at some other countries that weren't doing that and, you know, just our own gut instincts. And my son, who was struggling with mental health issues, and it's just, it wasn't a good fit for him. And so we just, we had, we knew a lot of moms were just really frustrated with this, that they didn't get to decide if their child was going to wear a mask or not.And so our moms, you know, they bought their first Mom's Liberty t-shirt and they would make homemade posters and they would kind of like stalk Governor DeSantis.They would show up, if he was speaking about the economy, they would show up across the street in their shirts and their signs and it would say, get these masks off our kids, Governor DeSantis.And we had political operative type people tell us that is not the way to engage with the governor.It's not the way to engage politically. You guys are never going to be successful, but you try telling a mom that she can't do that, and so everywhere he travelled around the state, our moms were showing up with these signs.And it wasn't because we told them to, It's just because[28:04] they needed to tell the governor that he needed to help them because their school districts were not listening. And, you know, Governor DeSantis took that in. He would look, see the signs, and then lo and behold, there was some press conference where he was like, uh-uh, no more of this. Parents don't want this. And so he does that time and time again. He listens. He listens to the people on the ground and what they're saying, and then he takes action.And for me, I haven't seen that in the political world happen very often. And so we in Florida are very blessed and at Moms for Liberty we have been so thankful for all he has done to fight for parents.[28:37] And can school boards push back? So they're pushing back maybe what's happening in different states and in Florida it will be easier because you have a administration or government within the state that is more understanding of that and will be just as shocked I guess. But what happens happens if it's a state that, God forbid, anyone is living on the West Coast in California, and it's more difficult there. Do the school boards still have the authority if the parents are there involved to push back on it, or is it much more of an uphill battle depending on the state?
It is definitely much more of an uphill battle depending on the state, because state laws oftentimes direct what's going on at the school district level. In New York, for example, our chapters are really struggling. I mean, they're looking at forced vaccinations, you know, adding new vaccinations that they don't want their children to have. And the state[29:36] would make that law. And once they do, the school districts have to comply. In Florida, school districts derive their power from our state constitution. And so the state kind of trumps authority on most education issues. You know, they don't have the time, the energy or the patience to carry out all the laws and such that they vote in and enact. That's the job of the school board. So when you're elected to the school board position, you actually swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution, which outlines a lot of the education laws, statutes, and policies.[30:10] But it's different from state to state. In other states, school districts have more authority than they do in Florida. They derive their power sometimes from the city or the county. It's very interesting how it's set up. And so we help our chapters navigate through that in their area.[30:25] As we've grown, there's more chapters in each state. They actually form like state coalitions and then work on these things together with resources and tools to understand what's going on and fight it.
 
Can I ask you a question about another political engagement? But there's another side, I guess, which is church engagement. As Christians, we would like to see the church involved. But we've certainly seen here that maybe a fifth of our schools are church schools, part of the Church of England. So it is part of, we don't have any separation church and state.Anyway, that's a whole other issue. But those, the church schools are even worse than the others.And they've jumped into all this diversity and inclusion nonsense. They want all the whole pride displays on different floors of primary school and they're pushing all of that. What's it like there? What's kind of your engagement with the churches or where do the churches fit in to actually encouraging schools or speaking truth within that environment.[31:32] So, are you saying that church schools are also state schools in England?
Yeah, we have a weird mix where, I mean, traditionally schools were set up by the church, if you go back in history, and that has remained.We have a quasi-strained situation where they're set up by churches but still follow the state curriculum.So, it's a very strange mix we have in the UK, but you'd expect a church school set by the state church would actually be strong on biblical values of freedom, but actually often that is not the case and they've been as captured by the left and the diversity agenda as any other schools.
 
Yeah, you know, I'm going to go back to my Americanism here. It's one of the reasons we broke away from you guys was to get separated, you know, but here's the thing, we are returning back to that in a different, almost in a reverse way, because, you know, the woke nonsense is kind of a religion and it's capturing all the public schools. It's seeping over into our private schools. So for us, the religious schools are private schools. And so they can do what they want and how they want and parents pay for to attend those. And so parents[32:44] have a lot more control technically because they would say, I'm not going to give you $20,000 this year for my student to go if you keep that garbage in. And so it's a, it's a much more, you know, you can make it change quickly. But as far as the churches go here in America, you know, I think the consensus is it's been very disappointing. They, many of them, I'm not going to say all of them, but many of them are captured and have bought into this and they're scared and don't want to stand up. They hide behind churches saying that churches can't get involved in politics, they'll lose their non-profit status. So they hide, you know, we left you guys to separate church and and state, and then now they're hiding behind it to be weak, in my opinion.So that's a little bit different than the scope of Moms for Liberty.That's just kind of my personal opinion on what I'm watching here in the US.[33:35] No, no, of course. We've also found that when parents have raised these issues, actually friends of mine have told me that the response from the school has been, if you continue to oppose the gender ideology being taught in a primary school, so for five to 11-year-olds, then we will report you to social services.Those are church schools. So I guess in one way, parents will be concerned and afraid to engage with a school unless there is a backlash.Because you talk about the difference between paying for the education and not here.Generally, it's free.Paid for education is a small minority.But you don't want your child to be thrown out of a good school.And you think, well, maybe I can't get them in to good school.So I can see as a fallacy that maybe some parents just want to keep their heads down and think, kind of cross their fingers and hope it's okay.That's not really a way of dealing with it.[34:32] It's really not. And for even in the UK, like people have to organize. Your voice is always stronger together. One parent honestly can't make, I don't want to say that because I don't want to discourage people from getting involved. You should always stand up because the minute you stand up and are brave, more than likely someone will be brave with you. And then those two will be brave and then that should multiply to four and then to eight, etc. That's what we've seen in Moms for Liberty. But once you get those numbers, even if you don't vote in your school board members, but if you have a school, for example, and half of the parents are saying, this is not going to fly, people start to listen.And so the only way we're going to make change around the world is for parents to pull together and stand up and just say no.[35:17] And it seems to be a really dirty fight that we seem to have a group that are intent on how to go as far as sexually abusing children with teaching them, pushing something at them, which is not right.Whether or not you agree they're not certainly for young children, it's not right. And then you can take a conversation with older children. But that sexualized content shouldn't have any place in with young children. But then the flip side, I remember when it was over last in the US talking to a taxi driver and he was saying, you know, he was talking about the De Santis, and saying, well, you know, I think, you know, children get exposed to a lot the internet and also we need to help them understand. And I said, but do you know what they're being taught? And there's that, I guess, confusion with parents, how they deal with the onslaught of technology. And maybe they do need to learn something and I guess there's a lot of confusion when parents look at and think it wasn't like this in my day.[36:23] I think a lot of parents still don't know and they don't believe it. It's shocking.You know, even when we get called names, when we are concerned about some of these books that have pornography, they say, Oh, you just want to ban books, you guys are book burners. I'm like, Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Actually, like, look, oh, let me show you. Here you go. And so I carry it with me now. And I'm like, Oh, we don't want to ban a book. But let me show you should this be in an elementary school? And I won't do it. Because I don't know if you have any I don't know who who watches your show, but the stuff in here is pornography.It's been found in schools all across our country.It's literally children performing sex acts on each other. And it was on display at a middle school.So for 12 year olds in my community, and it's unacceptable.It is just plain unacceptable. And so call me a book burner, make a meme about me burning books and a fire in my living room.I don't care. I have no desire to ban any book. I think every book should be printed, published, sold, put it in our public libraries in the United States. You can even put it there.[37:21] But don't put it in our schools, especially when only one third of American children are reading on grade level.There is no need for this trash to be in there if kids can't even read.This literally has like, oh gosh, I can't even show you. It's cartoony drawings.You know, it's ridiculous.
And yet I've seen some school board meetings of parents reading out some of this and them being told stop it because it's not acceptable to read that out with adults.Yet it is acceptable for children. I don't know how we've got to that level of confusion where adults say that's wrong with adults, but it's fine with children.
 
Truth is under attack. You know that.[38:01] I know that. There is no truth anymore. I mean, there is truth, but people are so confused about everything. They don't know what to believe anymore. You know, when you don't even, when the Supreme Court justice on the United States Supreme Court can't articulate what a woman is, we are in a deficit of truth. And so everything is meant to be confusing and what we need are people to stand up and say, I know what's right. I know what's wrong. I know what truth is and say it loud and clear and boldly.
Look in the future and how you're growing Moms for Liberty. You mentioned about having international groups, UK groups. I mean, as you grow, you've gone much past Florida. So why stop on the US? Are you looking forward to take the model you have? Obviously with different education systems, different countries, there are different ways of tackling it, but what you've done is a model for how to take it elsewhere. Is that something you've thought about?[38:59] It is we've had a lot of requests from other countries Canada, we get like a ton of requests to start trying to need help. Yeah, Canada's in really bad shape for sure. I think we've had a couple from the UK. We've had them from all over Europe. And here's the thing, if you've got a listener that could help us figure out how to do that legally, I am open to it. I say that, but I haven't talked to Tiffany, the co founder yet. I mean, I've mentioned it to her her once, and she was like, oh, I don't even know how to do that.And so everything we've done so far, we have not known how to do, but we figured it out.Again, like Tiffany said to me when we expanded to New York and throughout the country, this is not ours to keep. This is a movement.This is not my business or my organization. It belongs to moms and parents and to truth and to reason.And so if you've got a listener that knows how to do it, please connect me to them if they reach out to you because I would gladly, slowly expand into other places if people wanted to start.I don't know if it'd be a chapter legally. I don't even know what the legal terminology would be, but I don't wanna keep the movement just to myself.[40:05] Well, certainly to our viewers and listeners, if that's something you're interested in, I would encourage you to certainly email us directly, info at heartsofoak.org or drop us a DM on any of the, you can contact Moms for Liberty directly, but certainly if you're UK based and wanna contact us, we will happily look through those and see what we can do because we've always wanted to facilitate.What are the six states or seven states you're still missing?[40:33] Alaska, no one in Alaska, apparently, is a mom's city yet. And Idaho, which is surprising.It's a pretty conservative state that has a lot of issues, but we don't have a chapter in Idaho yet.[40:47] Maine is a tough state. I know that that one is there. That's three. I'm not sure, honestly.There's some other smaller states. I don't know off the top of my head.
And as you grow, you mentioned the teacher training colleges and how I guess you're engaging with the parents. But then as that grows, then you will naturally have some look at there are other areas, the education that we can bring this understanding to. And teacher training colleges, Can you see a way of how you can raise people up to begin to get more involved there or how would that work?
I think that's somebody else's job. You know, we have a lot that we do and we are so overwhelmed and underfunded at this point that we try to stay within our scope.There's a lot of work we want to do, especially, you know, we have the knowledge and experience to train school board members once we work to get elected.We got 275 school board members elected last year, but we have no ability to support them once they're elected.[41:49] So different organizations like Leadership Institute have launched a training program.So luckily we were partnering with them. So once our people get elected, we're like, hey, go there and get trained.And then honestly, they need an organization because we have school board member organizations in the United States that then support school board members.But they're woke, they're completely captured. They're radicalized.And so we also need someone to build that. I mean, all these things we could do, but I just don't have the capacity, the bandwidth.I need other people to step up and really each level of this, including working with the teachers. I mean, we started here for a number of reasons.[42:28] If we can get the kids, get the stuff out of the schools at a young age, and then they get to the teachers college, if it's still woke when they get there, at least hopefully they'll be able to think critically enough to think past some of the stuff they're being taught.
Okay. To finish off, probably a quarter of our listeners are US based and maybe a third of our viewers.If someone is sitting in the US and watching or listening to this and think I wanna get involved, what is the best way for that?
Go to momsforliberty.org and hit join the fight. It's very easy.
Okay, that is simple and straightforward. We will leave it at that.. Tina, I appreciate your time.Thank you so much for coming along and sharing with our viewers and listeners what you're doing with Moms for Liberty. Thank you.
Thank you, Peter. I appreciate the conversation. Thank you so much.

The Week According To . . . Dominique Samuels

Welcome to our regular look back at the news, media and talking points from the past seven days as we roll out the red carpet for our guest this episode, a true free speech crusader, Dominique Samuels.Dominique is one of the top young UK political commentators so we look forward to her informed analysis on some of the stories and issues that have caught our attention this week including.....Protect the Kids: Drag Queen Story Hour in the UK.New Zealand: Records biggest rate of excess deaths in 100 years.Vaccine Injuries: Has the dam now broken? UK Immigration: Are the authorities taking the piss? Laughable questionnaire being handed out to channel migrants/Invaders.Conservative Chaos: 'Assassins' who knifed Boris now feeling the heat themselves.Low Traffic Neighbourhoods: Traders being sacrificed on the 'great green altar'.Roald Dahl: Original books to be kept in print following criticism.Central Bank Digital Currency: CBDC and the digital pound, A new form of money for households and businesses?Dominique Samuels is 23, born and bred in Manchester but living in London.She is a conservative political commentator, who draws on her knowledge from her degree in Politics with International Relations to inform her analysis and opinions.She has appeared on every mainstream media news channel including the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News, with regular appearances on GB News and Good Morning Britain.Dominique has also participated in long-form documentaries and reality TV programmes, having previously appeared on Channel 4's The Bridge and BBC documentary series Black and British which was awarded a Grierson Award for Best Constructed Documentary Series.Dominique also does her own broadcasting in the form of live-streaming on social media platform GETTR's 6.5 million users, regularly gaining an audience of up to 11 thousand on her streams.Connect with Dominique.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/dominiquetaegonTWITTER: https://twitter.com/Dominiquetaegon/TIK-TOK: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYAoMGB5/INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/dominiquetsamuels/YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DominiqueTaegon?sub_confirmation=1WEBSITE: https://www.dominiquetaegon.com/Originally broadcast live 25.2.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] Dominique Samuels, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
Thank you for having me this evening.
Not all, and I know you're feeling a little bit under the weather, so we're gonna do half an hour. I appreciate you coming.I know it is like whenever you have an interview scheduled and you don't feel up for it, so I appreciate you coming along.We'll do half an hour and then I will let you go and I'll finish off with some of the other stories.So thank you so much for jumping on.
Thanks for being understanding. It's just one of those, I don't know what it is.It started on Friday, actually, just feeling absolutely knackered.I've been sleeping most of today, to be honest.
Well, that's fine. As long as you don't pass it on to me, because I'm away to CPAC on Monday.
So thankfully, you know. Oh really? Wow. I'm so jealous.
Look, I'll send you the pictures. Don't worry.[1:08] Thanks. Whereabouts in the US do they do it?
 
In DC.
Oh, right. Oh, cool. I remember I went there for a Turning Point USA event in DC.It was the first time that I went there.Absolutely loved it. We went to the White House and we saw Donald Trump and Mike Pence speak in person. It was like this black leadership thing that TPUSA did. It was such a brilliant experience. Unforgettable.
Wow. Well, I'm looking forward to meeting the man himself, President Trump over there and all the speakers. So it will be good fun. But I'll send you pictures and next time you, can come over.
Yeah, no, one of these one of these days I'm going to CPAC definitely.[1:54] Not that I'm the one that invites people. So it's my first time. So anyway, we'll jump in. You can follow Dominique. There's her handle. Of course, you know her from GB News regularly from Mark Steyn show from Iconic from so many things. And of course, her own podcast, her own live stream on Twitter on Getter on
 
Now on YouTube.On YouTube. Now on YouTube. I think the handle is the same on YouTube, but I am sort of in the process of building it up.I recently did a interview with Andrew Bridgen MP, and they did particularly well.Let me just see if, do you mind if I share my screen? Of course you can.Just to promote my little thing here.
On YouTube.
 
Yeah.
So that...[2:46] Could you bring it up? I think I need to bring it up. There you go.Yeah. Right. Okay. So that is my YouTube. It's at DominiqueTaegon. So the handle is the same. And if you want to watch the Andrew Bridgen interview, it's there. Thank you for letting me do my little promo there.
I didn't actually know that a guest could share a screen to thank you've taught me something. Thank you, Dominique.[3:06] Well, I'm quite the seasoned restream user.
 
You are, I know, I know. But yeah, I love that interview with Andrew Bridgen, really worthwhile watching. If anyone hasn't seen it, I don't know where you've been, but if you haven't seen it, then do make sure and watch that. It is absolutely worthwhile. Let's jump in with the news. We've lots of stories to cover and we'll cover these four major ones. And the first one, I know you you posted this Dominique, if it's going to come up, which is about low traffic neighbourhoods.So the link is in the description on most of them. And this is obviously about low traffic neighbourhoods being promoted as supporting neighbourhood businesses and entrepreneurs.Nothing could be further from the truth. But tell us why the whole issue of 15 minute cities has really caught your eye.[4:02] Well, the whole issue of 15-minute cities for me was quite alarming because when you actually do your research and you look on the people that promote these 15-minute cities, you know, slash low traffic neighborhoods, number one, they have a real issue with the private use of cars.So really, there are various studies done by what I call these psychopaths that do look to limit private car use.How do they do that? By making everyone swap out for electric vehicles, taxing people out of driving, that sort of thing. I mean, we've seen that with the Youles controversy with Sadiq Khan, basically just making it costlier and more difficult for drivers to actually navigate. So that's the number one thing that was quite suspicious. But the biggest thing for me was actually they mentioned COVID as this sort of convenient conduit for people to realize that, you know, actually it's so much more convenient for us to be within 15 minutes of each other. And when you actually look at that outside of their romanticized and falsified version, there are thousands, millions of people that really, really suffered during those unscientific authoritarian psychopathic lockdowns. There are people that lost their businesses, people that committed suicide, people that died at home because they couldn't[5:25] access NHS treatment. So this romanticized idea that it made us realize all of these things, maybe it did for the people that are privileged enough to have been able to enjoy that, who were celebrating working from home, but for the people whose businesses relied on[5:42] society operating normally, that's not quite a rosy picture, is it? So it's no surprise with that article that you referenced, that various studies showed that in terms of customers returning to these businesses.It dropped extremely low. I can't remember specifically, but I think particularly in Oxford, because of all of the basically hoops that these drivers have to get through, and Oxford's a touristy area, so people come from outside of Oxford to come and see it because it's a beautiful place, they're just not doing it anymore. Because what is the point? It's too expensive, there's nowhere to park, and it's basically just hostile towards the revenue that many businesses rely on.And that's the real difficulty. Small businesses do not benefit from 15 minute cities.
And I mean the whole thing, congestion charge in London being rolled out, I think it's seven days a week.And that is a massive impact. And where I might think maybe jump in my car and go somewhere,Actually, I don't do that. But Projam, could you bring up the demo that there was a demo, obviously Oxford has been the one that has been pushed.And I just want to bring up this because it's the European Conservative and this is it.[7:00] Thousands protesting in a 50 minute city in Oxford. If you just scroll that down and there were massive, I watched some of the videos and huge groups of people and I was a bit jealous I wasn't able to get there. But it shows there is opposition because sometimes we'll be told don't worry, this is a conspiracy, this is just a small group of those on the right who are angry about this, but actually people are galvanised and opposing this and I saw many of those videos and I thought, wow, this is good, the fight is on, bring it on.
Yeah, about 2000 people, probably more, were there, they turned out, they protested, they demonstrated, Antifa turned up calling them fascists, which is just really odd.I mean, Antifa sort of make themselves out to be these like anti-establishment radicals, but really they're just establishment boot lickers in my opinion.And I mean, who are they funded by as well? Because they've been dotted around quite a few demonstrations, you know.So there was the drag queen story hour demonstration at Tate Modern,[8:16] recently they were there and things got heated because of them.But also most interestingly, the protest in Knowsley, you know, about the refugees in the hotels.So Antifa were allegedly there as well. And apparently they actually showed up and that's when things got violent actually.And it's not an uncommon thing in America. They turn up at protests and those protests seemingly always get violent.So interesting. I'd love to know who's dotting them around in the UK because I think it's weird.
Yeah, I mean, it could be hope not hate, obviously been one of the organizations who may be linked to that, but you're right, they do pop up and the violence ensues. And I,[8:59] I would love to try and understand what goes on in their, their heads with this low traffic neighbourhood. I mean, the destruction it does to businesses. If you're a local business, if you're a shop that needs people to come in, but no one can actually drive in and park outside for 20 minutes or in the car park for half an hour and pop in. I mean, it destroys your business.A local business, an independent business cannot operate online and they rely on those people and you see the empty streets and it's heart-breaking, especially post-COVID that they can't recover.
Yeah. And it's like, I mean, what do these, you know, what do the proponents of these 15-minute cities want? Do they want us all to be just completely reliant on corporations? Do they, they want us to just be completely reliant on these massive chains?Do they want us to all shop at Amazon groceries?Because Amazon has grocery stores around the UK now.That's a really interesting question because all of the lefties that claim to be all anti-capitalism, oh, you know, let's be organic and independent.A lot of the things that they are screaming and shouting for destroy small businesses.[10:09] Yeah. Well, they haven't thought this through. I think that's working out Dominique. There was another story which I know you had posted on this roll down. This is a BBC story today actually saying that seems as though they're backed down.This is original books to be kept in print following criticism. So scroll down Pro Jam, and there was an attempt by the publishers to rewrite many of the books. They had issues with a whole range of the phrases. What they didn't like, female and they didn't like fat, they didn't like ugly, they had a whole list of words. But it looks like common sense has prevailed in this at least.
Yeah, you know, that is the wonderful thing because common sense seems to be quite scarce in Britain today, but[11:07] I mean, let's just be honest, there shouldn't even need to be two additions in the first place, in my view, although this is a positive thing. You know, it just makes you think if you are offended by male cloud men and male non gender neutral umpah lumpahs, because these are some of the changes, by the way, guys. So cloud men in James and the Giant Peach are cloud people.Umpa Lumpas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are gender neutral.In Matilda, Miss Trunchbull isn't a female, she's a woman.Now I have my suspicions about that because of the new definition of what a woman is.Being a woman can be anyone that puts on a skirt and decides that they are one.But female is a very distinct thing, which is obviously why they've chosen to take it out.Boys and girls aren't allowed in, I think it's the hungry crocodile.Crocodile, it's instead just children.Now the publishers said that they have a duty to protect children from offensive content. What is offensive about a cloud man?What is offensive about male oompa-lumpa? It literally makes no sense.And if you're offended by that, I would suggest, you know, you should probably, take a long hard look in the mirror or alternatively get a grip.But I'm glad that now we can actually vote with our feet and choose what we want to read instead of it being dictated to us by this insular group of people that are clearly very disconnected from reality.[12:37] Yeah, because you can have the the woke section where people who are offended by everything they can shop and then we can have the normal one for the rest of us.[12:45] Normal people to read.
 
Yeah, the normal section. But I was interested to see the people responding. So, you know, Ricky Gervais, who you'd expect to jump into something and cause some heat. And he jumped in on this.And then Camilla is being kind of lauded as the one who stepped in and told authors to think remain true to your calling. I thought that was a curious intervention by the Royal Family.
Yeah, it was a curious thing, positive nonetheless, but I'm not going to be sitting here and being like, oh, yay, you know, all of a sudden we've got an anti-Woke Queen consort and King, because all they do is churn out Wokeism. And perhaps it's because of their offices, you know, their PR offices, they think that if they subscribe to all these mainstream sort of left-wing causes, for example, the King's coronation is apparently all, it's all going to be about refugees and NHS workers and LGBTQ.These, you know, these groups[13:52] on the large part think the monarchy represents something really pernicious and nasty and backward about Britain. So the idea that, you know, he should be pandering so strongly to these groups, I think, is counterintuitive. But nonetheless, it was good to see the Queen consort actually saying something good, rather than something woke. My suspicions, my, I suppose, little theory would be that this intervention was to get people, I think, back on their side that feel a bit alienated by the monarchy as of recent because King Charles, I mean, they obviously know what's being said on Twitter online. They know that King Charles is sort of being looked at as the woke king. So it's a helpful intervention.[14:37] I'd love to know if conversations were had before and already the publishers had agreed and then Camilla comes out and she's treated as a savior. You don't believe anything these days. So I wonder what happened behind the scenes.
Yeah. I mean, the press were briefed. I know that. The press were briefed that it was about the Roald Dahl saga. Like it was specifically about that. Although she purposely didn't mention it because obviously they're supposed to be neutral. They did make a point of briefing the press. So make of that what you will.
Exactly. Lets.... Drag Queen Story Hour for children,There have been a lot around this issue and it keeps happening.I don't know, can you play that video, Pro Jam, as we have it in the background?But this, again, another one of these...[15:29][15:37] Okay, well, let's go enough with that. I don't even want to watch that. But this in South East London, it's the whole issue of children engaged in this. I mean, you've spoken about this a number of times, Dominique. Tell us your thoughts on this whole issue, which seems to be springing up more and more.[15:57] Well, you know, drag queens Story Hour imported from the US as a most really bad woke ideas.Been imported from the US, it's spreading like wildfire across the UK. As I mentioned previously, there was that protest outside Tate Modern against the drag queen Ida HD. She was hired to read to kids. Even with this particular drag queen, Ida HD has quite a checkered past when it comes to certain friends that Ida has supported online. For example, there's one called Darren Moore, who died recently, who was a convicted child rapist. He was convicted in 1999 of raping a boy under 16, four counts, and was then convicted in 2011 for breaching his sex offenders order, because he was found to be working with kids as a coach, as a gymnastics coach, I think it was, or a dance coach and Ida very publicly was like my friend, donate to this go fund me so your friend's a sex offender and you're wanting to read to kids that's concerning and anyone that's concerned about that is a far right bigot apparently but in this particular case I was messaged on Twitter[17:17] by a concerned parent basically saying I mean look what's going on in Lewisham it's the at the Honour Oak Pub in Lewisham where that video is from, where you can see a grown man scantily clad, doing the splits in really inappropriate clothing.And when people say, oh, you know, you're just paranoid that this is sexualized.If you go on to the Instagram account, it's been deleted, but there's a video that I did on Instagram actually showing the original post. This drag queen is called Copper Top Queen.[17:51] And in the caption of the Instagram post, it said, wear a mini skirt, they said.It'll be sexy, they said.And as you can see in the video, the drag queen is like hinching up the skirt to do the splits.Why would you need to look sexy at an event involving children?That's red flag number one. It's inappropriate. And the drag queen featured in that video commented on my Instagram post saying, nothing physically harmful happened to the children, you and your far right views.He's been extremely threatening towards other concerned parents with really misogynistic undertones actually, because most people that are talking about this are women, concerned parents with children.And the thing is, is that I think the UK government needs to ban drag queen events involving children.I mean, as far as I'm aware, it's been done in Florida. It needs to be done here.They're inappropriate. And I'm genuinely concerned about the safety of children where these events are concerned.If you look at the picture and the video, the only people laughing and guffawing and having a good time are the parents.The children look utterly confused because they don't know what's going on.[19:02] And they're probably terrified as well, actually. There was another person that commented on my Instagram post, a childhood survivor of sexual assault, that said, this makes me really uncomfortable.It reminded her of grooming.And it is grooming, because what you're trying to do is you're trying to desensitize children to this sort of overtly sexual and suggestive behavior so that they think it's normal.And what happens, because children's brains are literally like sponges.They absorb information and things that they see, and they mimic them and copy them.What happens when you see children acting like that with each other in the playground?It's disgusting. And I think any parent taking their kids to see things like that should be investigated, to be honest, because how on earth you could think that that is appropriate is completely beyond me.There's another baby cabaret group that I've been directed to.It's called Kababarave. So for anyone that's interested.[20:00] I'm gonna be doing a video about this soon called Kebab-a-Rave.That is a baby cabaret, so it's for babies. It's aimed at babies.And some of the images and the videos I've seen have been absolutely disgusting.Stripper gear, half naked women, men with barely any clothes on doing the splits with all of their legs spread, a Santa strippingwhile babies are there. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm genuinely concerned. I think the government needs to get involved, as do child services, 100%.
 
You've talked a lot about this and tried to highlight this. You've engaged with commentators, but when you look at politicians and how they respond to me, it's a win-win for any so-called conservative.Any parent will be on their side if they say, look, this is not appropriate. Just come up with that statement. And I don't understand. It's not a difficult issue. It's not something they need to work through or put out a group to find out what parents think. I mean, it's normal. Why do you, I mean, how is it that our politicians don't say, look, there's a line and this is not right for children, maybe right for adults and you can do what you like, children. It's quite easy to win-win.
It's easy as pie. And for the so-called conservative party to not be saying something about this.[21:27] And not actually be putting forward legislation, because that's what I want to see. I want to see legislation. If they would have any chance of winning the next election, they need to start talking about things like this, because this isn't just a culture war issue. It's not.This is about a child's safety and a child's sexualization issue by people that think that children need to be exposed to heavily sexualized and suggestive themes and you need to ask the question of why? Why do they want children to be exposed to that? Now I'm not saying all of these people are paedophiles or whatever, although you know it factually has been found that sexual predators have found their way in those organizations 100%. I'm not saying, but the people supporting them, I think a lot of them genuinely do think that this is about acceptance and kindness and inclusion. And it's just not. It's really, really inappropriate. And people like that though, they need to be ignored because they don't know what they're talking about, genuinely. And I'm sick to death of trying to reason with people. Even the people that say, Oh, I mean, pantomime dames.Like, are you thick? How can you compare a pantomime dame fully clothed by the way?[22:44] To a drag queen in literal strip heels and a mini skirt with big fake boobs, gyrating themselves in front of kids. How could you even make that comparison?
I know. I know. You're right. I've seen some of the comments and some of the posts you put up and when you try and engage and you can't get anywhere because these people seem to be intent on sexualizing children.[23:06] Yeah, I know. You've got to ask why? Why is that okay with you? There's something not right there.[23:12] Yeah, completely. Let's go on to, we'll do our final story together and this is on the Central Bank digital currency. This is a consultation paper. It was out the 7th of February, but you put it up and I think it's quite important because we certainly haven't referred to this specific paper. Bank of England, the digital pound, a new form of money for households and business? And this is consultation, the Bank of England. I didn't know the Bank of England did their own consultations. I thought that's a whole other area. But it says the Bank of England and HM Treasury publication, and they talk about the way we use money is changing and talking about using a digital pound. I know you've done a number of things on central bank digital currencies.Tell us kind of why you're concerned. Is this not just the way we're moving forward? Tell us why you're concerned on this.
 
Well, again, I think that argument is interesting about, oh, this is the way things are going now. Because look, the argument has been made. Most of us don't really use cash that much in our day to day lives or transactions. I don't. I use Apple Pay. It's just convenient. But you've also got to ask the question of what is the problem that CBDCs are seeking to be the solution to because we already have the infrastructure in the UK for contactless payments.[24:39] For card payments. That infrastructure has been there. We probably have one of the best infrastructures for these types of payments in the world. So a need for a CBDC is completely different. And the difference is, is that it will be government regulated. So that's, what it is. It's a central bank, central bank digital currency. So banks and by extension our government. I know we say, oh, but you know, the Bank of England is separate. You know, it's separate, but it's not, it's not really. This is like a government controlled currency where they can track all of your transactions. So effectively like sort of the track and trace we saw during the pandemic, they can track all your transactions, see what you're spending money on. And it makes you extremely vulnerable to financial discrimination.So say for example, you've got these psychos talking about, you know, we need to have carbon points. Everyone needs to be attributed a specific number of carbon points.Use too many of your carbon points one day, blocks from making certain transactions.Or if you have participated in a protest that's inconvenient for the government, they can block you from your own money. We saw as much in Canada. You know, remember during the trucker protests.[25:56] And we've sort of seen what the future of CBDC is in places in Asia and Africa.So in Nigeria, there have been riots recently because of a deliberate cash shortage that the Nigerian central bank has triggered. So they've actually had a digital currency since 2021.It's called the eNira. And with this eNira, do you know it's been rejected by about 99% of Nigeria, they've got about 225 million people there and cash is still favored for most transactions. I'm going to have to wipe my nose. One second...
She'll be back.[26:54] But this is a, this is a huge issue and, um, from the purpose of...
Woo.Oh my gosh.[27:12] Sorry about that. I could just see like shining under my nose.
But just to finish off Dominique, because it's the whole issue with digital currency, the whole point of them was about privacy, was about taking control back to the individual, owning your money and not having government control.And this kind of is a perverse way of looking at it. It takes that and throws it on its head and says by the government, we're not going to let you take control of your money.We're going to pull back control. So it's, even when they talk about digital currency, digital currency is about freedom and control for the individual.But this puts it all the way back.
Yeah, exactly.the thing you were right with cryptocurrency, is that specifically Bitcoin, is that it can't be tracked and traced in the same way.But our governments have obviously seen that and want to capture it and again, want it to be for some element of control. So in Nigeria, most of them have rejected the CBDC in informal transactions.So do you know what the central bank did?It created a deliberate cash shortage by announcing that all the old Naira notes were invalid and they had like probably a month to cash in all the old notes to receive new ones. So what you found were people queuing all outside of the ATMs, couldn't[28:35] get access to their money, riots. And then recently the bank announced that they were going to be using a new technology to save this eNaira that's basically failed. And I'm worried that that sort of stuff will happen here. But also I think lastly, the most important point with this is that you can't have a CBDC without a digital ID and you can't have a digital ID without a CBDC because it all comes hand in hand. It makes transactions a lot easier, but it also allows the government to track you a lot easier. And that's why we should also be talking about and speaking out against digital ID as well. Because with this sort of thing, you will have no privacy.And for people that say, oh, if you don't commit crime, then it's no problem.That's not the point.What about people that are domestic abuse victims that need cash, for example, to escape.[29:28] Their partners? What about old people who actually don't understand all of this technology?There are some real issues here that really do disadvantage the most vulnerable in our society. And also..with regards to even the 50 minute cities. What about disabled people as well that actually need to drive and need to use cars to get around? That was something that I meant to say actually as well.
Yeah, it takes away all that privacy, puts full control and your right digital ID is very much part of that. Dominique, I've got to let you go. I appreciate you coming along. Thank you so much. Even though you're feeling under the weather, thank you for jumping along and joining us today.
Oh, my pleasure. I really enjoyed it.
Not at all. I'll carry on and I'll let you go and we'll speak soon.
All right. I'd love to be back.
 
Thanks Dominique.
 
All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye.[30:17] That was Dominique. Let me, I know what it's like whenever you get called in for interviews and you're just not feeling great and feeling under the weather.And I appreciate her coming along. It's easier to sometimes say, no, I'll give it a miss.But I appreciate her giving her time. But there were some other stories I wanted to touch on.This is one that actually I hadn't put on the list with Dominique, but I think is really important.How's my sound Pro Jam? Is that okay? Give me a thumbs up. He was telling me, yeah, my sound wasn't great. Let me try and pull in some comments on, there are a lot of things, a story today that appeared. But let me try and pull in some comments.Something fell in my room. I don't know what that was.[31:09] Robert McKair, one or two Central American countries have adopted Bitcoin as their currency.Yep. Agra Shed. Who else do we have? Pemshed. Tiffengirl. Who I can pull up. Bockels42 noted NWO and WEF. I couldn't agree more. Do drop your comment. Let me know how you're watching, where you're watching with Dominique on if I can pull in some of those. That would be absolutely wonderful. Yes, let me know Bob Moran you cant fix anything if you keep asking for more government regulation. Yep, completely agree. DTaylor7, Evening All on the beginning, Villan 82, Frankie Boyes, great to have you all on. Thank you so much for being with us. This is the story that came up today and I want to touch on. And I'll spin through the other stories.[32:06] This was a story that had Lord Pearson, who is, I have the privilege of working with Lord Pearson in the House of Lords for the last 12 years. And I've also had the privilege of working with Baroness Cox, who's absolutely wonderful, actually was the Conservative Deputy Speaker in the House of Lords back in the day, now sits as an independent.And this is a secret House of Lords circle showed to have worked with the far right.Email blunder, Sparks inquiry a new issues group collaboration with Islamophobes.That could have been my email blunder, could have been Lord Pearson's, I don't know.But if we scroll down this Pro Jam, I want to pull this because it is a story that is done by, well this is The Guardian, but it's basically been done, yep, it's been done by hope not hate or hate not hope.[32:55] So, a secretive organisation, Accused of Collaborating, it's not really secretive, I've been there for many years, has been operating under the House of Lords for more than a decade.It is more than a decade.The organisation called New Issues Group, it's not an organisation, it's simply groups of people coming together under a name, so it could be easily tagged and identified, includes the former UKIP leader Malcolm Pearson and the Tory former Deputy Speaker of the House of Lords, Baroness Cox. The cache of documents, I don't think there's a cache of documents.[33:29] Acquired by anti-fascist group, pro-fascist group, hate not hope, even suggests that a figure who would become one of the UK's most notorious anti-Muslim activists drafted a question to be asked in the House of Lords by group members. I think they're referring to, who are they referring to? I actually lose track. Maybe Anne Marie Waters are referring to. But it talks about this group, which is supposedly a shadowy group, there's Anne Marie's picture. It's not a shadowy group. It's simply in effect a talking house. It's a group that comes together to discuss some of the issues, especially around Baroness Cox's bill to give Muslim women the protections they don't currently enjoy because if they're married, they're not married under UK law, they're married under Islamic law and they don't get the protections they desperately need and require. That has to change to make sure that a Muslim woman is treated exactly the same[34:29] as any other married woman and her husband does not have the right to divorce you, say that three times and she's divorced with no recompense to anything because she's not married under British law. It's absolute travesty that we have hundreds of thousands of Muslim women have zero rights under British law because their marriage is not recognised under British law and the Baroness has been trying to introduce a bill for over a decade and the government refused to put it in because they don't give a damn about Muslim women who have no rights under British law.[35:04] Let's call it as it is. This was the Sky News one.Westminster accounts. Baroness Cox forced to declare financial interest after a leak revealed links to anti-Islam activists. Baroness Cox has taken funding from an American organization run by evangelical, so by Christians.Sky News have got a problem that Christians have donated money to the Baroness to help and all the great humanitarian work that she does all across the world. Wonderful work the Baroness does and she's one of the most active members of the House of Lords I have seen in my over a decade of having the privilege of working there. So Christian groups, absolutely fine. Anti-gay marriage campaigns, well, you've got every right to stand against marriages, not between one man and one woman, no problem. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.[36:04] She holds regular meetings with prominent critics of Islam. I have had the honour of being in many of those meetings and it is wonderful to spend time with great individuals who served this country so well and continue to serve it well into their 80s and they could put their feet up and they could be sipping cocktails around the pool sometime, but no, they choose to come in and meet with others, work with others and do what is right. And yet, hate not hope are angry at these people who want to give back to Britain.
Moving on, I think I'll do a whole piece on that because I was shocked, hate not hope had emailed myself or had emailed Alan. They emailed Lord Pearson, Baroness Cox, many others, finding out what the shadowy group was about, which is simply a collection of individuals, like-minded individuals that want to discuss the issues with radical Islam and the freedoms we have in the West. And when that clash comes together, what happens? And we need to discuss as Lord Pearson has always said, can we talk about Islam? He just simply wants to talk about it.And for wanting to talk about it you get attacked with every label under the sun. Let's move on.[37:32] This story is, this is why I didn't want Dominique to come on YouTube, even though she's got a YouTube channel. I saw actually the YouTube video with John Waters has gone really well. We have to be very careful with videos we put on YouTube. We have to see how we use YouTube properly because it's not a bastion of free speech like GETTR, like rumble on the website, like Twitter is at at the moment. Many others, Truth Social, gab that we use, but not for video stuff.There's so many great platforms available there and we need to know how to use them.But at the moment, we are holding off on YouTube. We need to see how we use that effectively because it is a huge platform, but it's a huge platform that you can't talk about this...New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.[38:28] Let me read that to you again. You can see it. Let that sink in.New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.This should be the biggest story.Biggest in 100 years? Not COVID.[38:47] Not COVID. Something else is happening. Is it the more or less enforced vaccination of an experimental substance that didn't even go through trials with the vaccine group on Diny and Rachel a couple of weeks ago and they talked about the vaccine control group that is there because we have no data on the unvaxxed.We don't actually have any data because it's not divided up.In fact, Pfizer initially started the trial.So they would monitor those who were un-vaxxed, un-jabbed, un-jabbed, that's not even vaxxer, vaccination, let's set that aside, who were un-jabbed with this experimental chemical, whatever went in their arm, and those who were.So those who received the jab, those who didn't.And after I think it was four months, I can be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.If I remember after four months, they scrapped that and they just jabbed all those who were unjabbed as a control.The opposite of what a control group should be. You can monitor those.They scrapped that and people still think this is safe because it's been through a control group and tested.[40:05] Utter bull shit. It is not. And people need to wake up and see this for what it is.Okay, we'll blast through these. The next one, Projam, even Fox News is now covering vaccine injuries.I think we'll...[40:29] Let's play this. Do you wanna? I've got Dominique still up. Apologies.Pro Jam, do you wanna just play this? Can we play this?
As we told angle viewers in February of 2020, and by the way, at the time when he came on the show to the protestations of Anthony Fauci, we could never, ever trust China on this.We turn now to a COVID controversy of a different kind. My next guest, a physician from Roseville, California says that he's treated more than 4,000 COVID patients.And of those, he says hundreds experience vaccine related injuries, including chest pain, cancer, and in women, menstrual irregularity and even pregnancy loss.[41:12] Dr. Michael Huang joins me now. Dr. Huang, thanks for being with us tonight.....[41:17] Right. Well, not you can get the idea.And it's wonderful that, sorry, messing up with graphics, that Fox News are actually covering this at long last.Someone who said they treated 4,000 patients for COVID and hundreds, they're seeing vaccine injuries.Let's take that as 10%, hundreds, let's say 400, 4,000 for sake of a, or let's say 200, 5%.If 5% of people are having injuries due to vaccine, this needs to be stopped immediately and to be analysed and tested and find out what is happening. That would be the right thing to do. That would be the correct thing to do. That would be the safe thing to do.But it's not the financially prudent thing to do for these vaccine companies. Why should they stop it if they're making so much money? And it's a printing press for them. Health, safety, that's not the main issue. Stopping the spread of COVID, that's not the main issue.The main issue is making money and taking a medical emergency and printing as much money as you can for your shareholders as a limited company. That's what it's all about.I know you know that.I know that. Many of us know that. It's up to us to try and get the word out, especially as these companies push to move away from emergency use authorization to full authorization.I saw an application yesterday with could have been Pfizer for one of their updated.[42:47] Jabs and they're moving to get full approval for it.Nothing could be more dangerous although my concern is the damage has already been done through these mRNA jabs fully untested and trialled on children.[43:04] Can't get much more evil than that.
 
On to the next story. This is looking at terrorism. This is a little survey that those who arrive in the country illegally are asked to do. Now the government have failed to get a grip on our immigration out of control but they're going to do a survey, an English survey, and this is going to fix our problem. So have you ever been involved in crime or terrorism? Yes or no. The fast track questionnaire handed the channel migrants seeking asylum. If we scroll down, so this will attempt to streamline the process, migrants will be granted refugee status on the basis of 10 page questionnaire. Can you believe it? Well, it is true. So let me, I'll read some of this. So this seems to get rid of the massive backlog. The questionnaire asks more than 50 questions in total, such as how they reached the UK. If we scroll down and we have, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. The questions, no, no, keep picking it up. Yep. Have you ever been involved in war crimes.[44:17] Crimes against humanity or genocide? No, that's only the British government, I think. Maybe Matt Hancock could answer yes for that. Have you ever been involved in terrorist activities? No, I think that was just Tony Blair wasn't it? Have you ever expressed views at justified terrorist violence?Do you have any documents or other evidence to confirm who you are? No, because they got rid of it because that's how they're told to do it. Have you ever been employed by the military?[44:44] How did you get to the UK? They're asking that. Were you subject to human trafficking?How much did the journey to the UK cost?What question now? Please reply your receipts and we'll refund you.I think that's where we're going. Send us your bills and we'll give it all back to you.Don't you worry. Would you like a new house while you're at it?This is a concerted government. Please, any of you who haven't woken up to this who believe a Tory government are the saviours, they are not. They are the enemy. They are the problem and they are not going to fix this mess. This has happened under their watch, under 13 years of supposedly conservative government, conservative in name only. I don't see any political party actually wanting to, actually do anything about this because you need to be polling. Back in my UKIP days, had to be pulling 15% plus to get anywhere and really about 18% to get a slew of seats in the House of Commons. And even if that happens, you're a small party on the back benches, so there's not much you can do.
 
This last story, I'm not sure if we can bring up, purging of the assassins. A story on the end there, looking at the Conservative Party and how they choose those who will stand.[46:11] And this story goes one way, but I want to take it a slightly different way.And I think we'll finish off on this.Purging of the assassins as local conservative parties pick their next candidates for the next election, many of the 60 or so MPs who knifed Boris are feeling the heat themselves.This is the process that for the next general election, an MP needs to get the vote, the permission to stand as a candidate for their local conservative constituency, local conservative grouping. They can't just do it themselves and just because they're an MP doesn't get them right to stand as a conservative MP in the next election. Strange quirk of British politics. And they have to go with cap in hand and say, please, Conservative Association, please allow us to stand again. And more often than not, of course, the answer is yes. But It can be a way that the local association can punish the MP.And I guess a way of making, keeping that connection between MPs and their constituents, their local party, those on the ground and not just the, the high up part of the concerted party.[47:24] So in theory it's a good idea, but all this is about poor Boris.And it's interesting how some of these people will fare because I am assuming that many conservative associations are angry at how the conservative party have run roughshod over freedoms and civil liberties.They may be angry at how vaccinations were forced on many, the NHS, the health system, many others.It was enforced upon them and they would lose their jobs if they didn't get it.A lot of anger and little Rishi Sunak.Richie, Rishi, Sunak, rich, worth more than the queen or the king, we are on to the king, right? Worth more than the monarchy.First time ever in history that the prime minister has had greater wealth than the sovereign. He doesn't get it.He doesn't get it. And I think a lot of conservative MPs will be punished.I think a lot of them will jump ship before because there's no way they're going to win as a conservative MP when they have destroyed this country in every way imaginable.[48:35] They are the biggest bunch of crooks. Many of them are quite evil, especially with forcing a jab upon people that was never ever ever fully tested, never ever ever tested on children, never went through its trials, But the trials were cancelled after months and yet it was given to people and they were told it was fine.And now all the stories come back and injuries. So many issues and of course people like Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative Party, number 10, they didn't want people like that to stand.Independent minded MPs that will speak up for what they believe is right and not necessarily just fall under what the government say.We'll watch and see what happens. really interesting.[49:25] And I am watching this closely because of course we're all interested in what happens.I think that will be enough for tonight.Let me pull up some of your comments on GETTR if you're watching GETTR.I can't pull the other comments up.My apologies for not being able to pull them all up.Let's go from the bottom up. Okay.[49:54] Bookles, 42, know the WHO, independent candidate of the future, yep, but I don't know what they can achieve with our current electoral system.Pem's head, Tory's aren't Tory. The name Tory goes back a long time actually as a derogatory term, but anyway, we'll knock it into that history.Pem's head, Tory HQ, partially a candidate into my mum's constituency, they've just deselected her. I love it.I love it. The fight back between the grassroots part of the party and the machine at the top.Agshed, not conservative anymore.Nope. Buccos 42, unfortunately, Reform UK or ProJab genocide.That is a big concern.I'll not go deeply into that because we're not about attacking or picking off others, any party who is pro-JAB and criticises Novak Djokovic who wanted to get in Australia and did the right thing to get in and then was attacked by the leader of any political party and mocked and ridiculed.I have no time for....But that's a whole other issue.James Simmons, there are lots of others, I'll not go into them.[51:10] James Simmons says sexualized children should be a criminal offence, a punishment by the British people.Yep, should be a criminal offence. Anyone who's involved in that should be on the sex offence register and should be jailed up until it can be proved they're no longer a danger to children, no longer want to sexualize children.I think that is about it.[51:30] So thank you for joining. Thank you for watching. Great to have you with us always.It was great fun having Dominique for the first time and hopefully we'll have her back soon.Fit and sound and well and healthy. Next week I'm off to CPAC.We've got some great interviews that we've done in the bag.We'll post those when they come out, Monday, Thursday. And I'll be reporting over there from CPAC.A message from Steve Bannon to say make sure and come to the war room. We'll have you on live. Many others will be there. I'll report there, give you an update as much as I can.Never been there before so first time. I know Nigel is going there. It'll be good to see him. I don't know if any other British folks going over, but I'll try and make a beeline for any others I can find. I'll report as much as I can, take as many interviews and clips with people over there. And I'll be back after CPAC. So thank you for being with us.Thank you for watching on whichever platform you're on and have a good rest of your weekend.We will see you back on Monday with an interview that will tell you about[52:47] closer to the time. So thank you and good night to you all.

Clay Clark - The Great ReAwakening Vs The Great Reset

Give us a Woo! Clay Clark returns to Hearts of Oak to talk on the topic of the latest ReAwaken America Tour event. "The Great ReAwakening vs The Great Reset". On one side we have powerful international organisations that are seeking to control every area of our lives. Digital ID's. Central Bank Digital Currencies. Vaccine passports. Control of countries health responses to any crisis. The list goes on. On the other side people like Clay through the tour are opening peoples eyes to this new evil and helping them rediscover a passion for freedom and nationalism, truth and faith.Clay Clark is a father of five kids, the organizer, emcee and host of the General Flynn ReAwaken America Tour, the former “U.S. SBA Entrepreneur of the Year” for the State of Oklahoma, a member of the Forbes Business Coach Council, an Amazon best-selling author, the founder of several multi-million dollar companies and the host of the Thrivetime Show podcast which has been number one overall on the iTunes business podcast charts 6 times!The 'ReAwaken America Tour' and 'Time To Free America' aims to expose “The COVID-19 / Great Reset” agenda being pushed by Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, China, and other elite globalists that hate God and America.The ReAwaken America Tour exists to expose the election fraud, medical fraud, religious fraud, monetary fraud and mainstream media fraud that has been used to push the “COVID-19 Great Reset Agenda.”Their call to action is to get people back to God because they believe that true repentance and salvation is needed to save America.Find Clay at.....Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheClayClark?s=20&t=V6OoZyY3dO0ek1Wm8ghDAATruth: https://truthsocial.com/@ClayClarkWebsite: https://timetofreeamerica.com/Podcast: https://www.thrivetimeshow.com/reawaken-america-tour/Links mentioned during interview...https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/central-banks-and-digital-currency/overview/
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview coming up with Clay Clark. Clay Clark, of course, is overseeing the Reawaken America Tour. He's been with us before. And actually, as this goes out, it'll be the 27th event over the two years in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And we talk about a lot of things. We talk about the tour, we talk about who's connected with and what the core issues are, which is about control, control from the WEF, vaccine passports, digital ID, central bank digital currencies, end of cash, all of that. So we talk about that control basically is at the heart of what the WEF are, trying to do. And then we end up talking about his input with Donald J. Trump, President Trump, and how he is helping him understand some of these things and the people around him, which is essential because we can educate the masses, but our leaders also need to be educated.And then in the beginning we went a little funny direction talking about, I asked him about the church and doing the role of the church and we went on some Bible exegesis.So I love interviews, you never know where they'll go.I thoroughly enjoyed that.And then we moved back on to the tour. So I think there's something for all of you.I know you'll enjoy it as much as I did.[1:38] Clay Clark, thank you so much for joining us once again.
 
Hey, thank you for allowing me to be here and thank you for not changing your accent.
It's great. It's great to have you.You can follow the Clay Clark there, the hashtag or the handle on Twitter and at Clay Clark on truth, which we've been using more and more actually using truth social.Of course, the Thrive Time Show.com.All the links are in the description and Clay, I believe we're doing this two days before, This is going to go out on Thursday the 23rd. And I believe you will be in Tulsa, Oklahoma on the 27th evening of your tour.Tell us about that.[2:18] Well, OK, this is what's happening here, Peter. I'm trying to help save freedom.I know that's what you're doing as well.And so I've met some great people on this on this journey. I've met, you know, Jim Breuer, Mel Kay, General Flynn, Cash Patel, Devin Nunes, I mean, just Eric Trump, whatever. They're great, great people.And what I'm trying to do with this tour is to create a platform for these voices to be heard, so that the patriots who want freedom can know what's going on and they can know what to do.And so we have an event coming up in May at a Trump Doral, that's in May, that's in Miami, Florida, for anybody that doesn't know that's Trump Doral in May.And then we have August in Las Vegas, Nevada.Well, the event in May, it's not gonna be, you know, until May, so there's a little bit of time in between now and then.And people are buying tickets for the May event in Las Vegas, and there's a great energy and momentum to it.I talked to the hotel there in Miami, and they said the Trump resort is saying they're selling more rooms than they've ever sold ever related to one specific event.And the event's not until May. The Las Vegas event, they said they're selling tickets at a record rate.So there's all sorts of great things. They're selling rooms at a record rate.But Jim Breuer and I got to talking, and Greg Locke, and we decided that what we needed to do[3:34] is an event on March 23rd and kind of a reverse Davos, if you will.Davos, they get together and they have their events where the self-proclaimed elites get together, and lecture you and I about decreasing our carbon footprint after they arrive there in a gas guzzling jet.And we thought, you know what, let's have one night where we just have a blasty blast, where we share the truth, we stream live to a million people.And so we're gonna do it March 23rd in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Right now, the actual attendance in my building will be about 500 people, but the actual streaming attendance will be, at least a half million or more, and it's gonna be a wonderful night.So if you love Jim Breuer, the comedian, you're gonna have a great time, you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be phenomenal. If you love the preaching and teaching of the word of God, Pastor Greg Locke will be here, Dr. Stella Emanuel, Pastor Leon Benjamin.Looking at the names here. We have just a great line-up of Simone Gold, the doctor, she'll be here.[4:28] You've got Mel K, the legendary investigative journalist. So it's really going to be a wonderful time, but it's going to be kind of in a trimmed down format. Amanda Grace, the prophet, will be here. Dr. Mark Sherwood, Pastor Jackson Laumeier. So it's going to be a little bit of a variety pack, and it's going to be like a Reawaken America Tour light, kind of a smaller event, but But it will be packed and the energy will be there.
Sounds awesome. I wish I was in Tulsa. I'm just back from Trump Hotel in Doral.I was there last week. So wrong week. Wrong month.
 
How was it? How was it?
One day, the man himself, he called in for a five, six minute phone call.Great, and I met someone cool there. I grit two, three days. Good fun.
But did you stay on the resort or did you stay off the resort?
I just stayed about a mile away.So it was full. So we just paid just out. But beautiful venue, beautiful atmosphere, really exciting.But I want to ask you, because the great reset, I am wondering whether the WEF, the globalist that we've all, seen, really have overplayed their hand.And they've come out of the shadows, certainly during the last three years, and have exposed themselves. And I'm just curious whether you think they may have maybe overplayed their hand and being too confident?[5:50] Well, I think I'm a fact guy, you know, so my niche is I'm a fact man. That's what I do. I think it's healthy for everybody out there. If you're listening, find your niche and scratch it.Okay, so like I'm very good at growing companies. And I'm very good at facts when it gets into like opinion of what could happen. My natural bias, we have a bias, my natural bias, people say, how can you possibly have this bias if you're successful?My natural bias is I'm very sceptical of everything. And I'm very somewhat call it pessimistic. But I don't believe, in the best in humanity. I don't believe that most ideas are a good business idea. I don't believe that most employees are actually doing their job during the workday. I don't believe that the government is here to help. And because of those things, I've had a lot of success because I plan for that which I can control.Now there's other people out there that are naturally optimistic and they're going, woo, the Patriots are in control, baby, woo.And I say, well, I have met now, I mean, Cash Patel, General Flynn, Eric Trump, Tenpenny, so many great speakers, you can see them at timetofreeamerica.com.And I can tell you, these people are better than advertised in person, just great people. You think they're great, but when you're around them, you go, these are great people. However..[7:12] they don't have a secret overarching plan that allows them as white hats to somehow be in control. And I think that is a punch in the gut that some people just don't want to hear.I think people are just give me something positive. You know, I don't have that for you.But what I can say is that the gospel, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21, that is real stuff. It's real. It's going to happen.The Bible is not fake, so it's going to happen. It's going to happen.And I don't think the Bible is somehow fake or not accurate or negative or bad because it doesn't say what I want it to say sometimes.So I would just say we are living through the fulfilment of that which was prophesied and bring about there who's new to the Bible.The Bible is about 73, 74% historical and 25 to 27% prophetic, depending upon who tells you this. So the prophetic parts are coming to pass.[8:12] So if you were an optimist, you would go, this is exciting. Woo, this is the most exciting time to live to quote Ric Flair.Woo. You know, and, but to, uh, for anybody that doesn't know Ric Flair was a professional wrestler, which is fake wrestling to quote Ric Flair.Woo. And so that's what he would do all the time. Woo. Or in my case, I go, uh, it's a little bit terrifying.Uh, a little bit terrifying here. I'm a researcher, so I'm always finding this stuff before most people. And so I find this to be an epic period of time.[8:44] And people say epic, what does that mean? An epic story or movie is where somebody tries to overcome evil in route to the good triumphing over evil.And I believe we're seeing evil and I believe we're seeing good.And I believe it's, I would describe this time as epic.[9:03] And what you're doing on the Reawaken America Tour, it really is, when you talk about the Bible, it really is what the church's role should be.And I find this really interesting that you have organizations that aren't the church, aren't necessarily, their purpose is not the role of church, but they've stepped into the gap and they are speaking of it.
Well, now we're going to get into a little theological debate here today.So I believe that when Jesus was instructing his disciples, his apostles, his people, he began to discuss that the church was his body.The body was his church. The church was his body.Now, some of you might disagree, but you know, so you read the Bible.I encourage you to look these verses up here.I've got many of them to my right here. You can read Romans 12 verse 4-5 says, for we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office.1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 27-31, now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular.I mean, I could sit there and read these all day. Ephesians chapter three verse six says, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of his promise in the Christ of the gospel.[10:24] So the body, what is the body? is the body? What? What is the body? I would argue that you are the body. If you believe in Christ, you're the body of Christ. That's what you are. And so we are the church. We are the church, you know, or two or more gathered. So I think, somehow, somewhere, I don't know when I don't I don't I'm not a big I went to Oral Roberts University. I really don't like, seminary. I went to Oral Roberts University. Probably a lot of people have been launched into ministry. And it's been great.But I've discovered that a lot of people, they go to Bible college or seminary and they start to have these weird, beliefs they have. So I'm just gonna give you a few Peter, like there's one denomination in America that believes if you play musical instruments, you are going to hell. And they[11:08] will just, I'm serious, they do. There's another group of there's another denomination in America, they believe that you are not, worthy to pray to God yourself, you need to have a person you pray to. So you pray to that person, you confess to that, person, then they pray to God for you because you're not worthy. There's another denomination I know, I'm thinking, just think of three right now, that actually right now is trying to bring in as many gay pastors as possible.[11:35] So, there's this thing in the Bible that says it'll be the great falling away, okay?And this would be 1 Timothy for anybody out there who's wanting to get into the Word of God today.I'll try to cite all my sources so that way you know that I'm not just making up random things as is par for the course in many churches today. Okay, so you want to open up your Bible to Timothy, all right, Timothy, and I'm just going to read the Bible refers to this great falling away.Okay, so 1 Timothy chapter 4, okay, says here, the Spirit speaketh expressly," kind of important, underline it, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.[12:17] Pastors. Ladies and gentlemen, we're celebrating our first gay pastor.What? Speaking lies and hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron. Andy Stanley, the pastor in America, mega church, he actually said you have to go, to get groceries, but you don't have to go to church. That's why he was doing the lockdown.It says, forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to receive with blessings of them, which believe and know the truth. You know, the pope is pushing this idea of limiting your meat intake. I mean, this is first Timothy chapter four, right there. What?I mean, TD Jakes, mega church pastor, he's pushing the shots with Tony Fauci. These are real, things Rick Warren is pushing the world economic forum. So I would say[13:02] I am doing my job as a struggling evangelist. I am going out there and reading the gospel, not claiming to have some knowledge. I'm not a charlatan. I don't have some super knowledge of the Bible that other people don't have. I'm just opening up the Bible and I'm saying, hey, everybody, open the Bible because the Bible talks about mixing the miry clay with iron. Daniel chapter two verse 43 and Daniel had a vision that God gave him of how it would all end and it says, And there it says, and whereas thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.What? He saw it as the fourth kingdom and Klaus Schwab is calling it the fourth industrial revolution. Schwab is wanting to mix miry clay with iron, transhumanism, man with machine.What? Revelation chapter 13 verse 16 through 18. Unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works if you look up W02020 060606 and you look at the Microsoft patent with a publication number W02020 060606 unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works you will see that that exactly fulfils mechanically the mark of the beast and someone says I don't I don't like that.[14:20] I don't like what you're doing there because what you're doing is you're trying to mix in the Bible, with practical life and the practical life that I live cannot possibly relate to the Bible because then it would cause me to change things. Oh no, I don't want to change things. I just want to go to church because it's something fun to do. Here's the exciting thing for you folks. I'm going to send you a patent here. I'm going to send you a patent in this private chat. This will freak you out. I mean if this is not the mark of the beast patent, look at this one. Everybody's got to see see this one. It's good old US patent 2021 0082583. I mean, you have a sound mind. You look at that patent. What does that thing look like to you.[15:01] We will include that in the description for viewers. I'll not put it on screen, but we'll certainly include that. So I encourage everyone to go and have a look at that.Can I ask you, moving, I could ask you a lot of other church analogies, but I want to move slightly off and talk about what we're seeing in the Great Reset really is all about control, isn't it?We've seen the vaccine passports, seen digital IDs, end of cash, central bank digital currency. It's all about a new level of controlling and telling people what they can or cannot do.[15:34] Correct. And I want people to understand this. If you haven't looked it up, folks, just go to Google or DuckDuckGo and type in MIT CBDCs. MIT CBDCs. I wrote you a motivational song, folks. But I'm not gonna sing it to you.I'm just listening folks, I'm serious.Everybody, some people say, I don't have the time to do it. I'm not motivated.Not your listeners, but some people say, Clay, you're telling me to type in MIT CBDC.I just, I have carpal tunnel.Can you sing me a song? Could you motivate me? I don't wanna, but if you look it up, not your listeners are motivated, but some people aren't. And you go there and you look it up, you're going to see that MIT has created the central bank digital currencies.Now, not to alarm you, but the MIT also, the same MIT, has funded the creation of the Quantum Dot.[16:24] The Quantum Dot, look it up folks. Now the Quantum Dot is what?The Quantum Dot is a technology that allows you to store your financial or medical records under your skin.That's what the Quantum Dot is. And guess what the name of the new central bank digital currency system is, they're rolling out. the name of the new company that's throwing out the central bank digital currencies.Their CEO, his name is Gilbert Verdean.It's called Quant. Quant. Yes, that is what they want.It is Quant. And now think about this, the name of the Google supercomputer that powers CERN.You know, CERN has a 666 logo. By the way, CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo, Revelation 9-11.[17:07] Wow.
 
CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911. Look at folks, Revelation 911 and CERN's logo is 666 and it's powered by the Google Chrome Google Chrome, what it's powered by Google and the Google Chrome logo is 666 CERN is powered by the Google Chrome what CERN with the 666 logo is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911 the computer that powers CERN is called the Google quantum computer has a 666 logo and Elon Musk refers to the AI technology they're using as summoning the demon. So I just I don't know if people are quite aware of the dystopian nightmare that awaits us if we don't stop the great reset. So Peter, what I do is I do I try to do about five to 10 shows a day with great people like yourself. And I try to cite, all my sources. I try to never give people hyperbolic things that could be true. I focus on facts. And I try to do that because the world doesn't need my opinion, they need facts. And most people just don't know these things.And so if you want to find all this information out, you can also go to time2freeamerica.com.And when you go there, everything I've cited on today's show or have said on today's show, it's all cited there at time2freeamerica.com.[18:19] I'm just looking at actually what you'd given MIT, I did, but it actually says on the Bank of England first, where is a concept of a CBDC in its 2015.I just want to put that to our UK viewers. And of course, Prince Charles and King Charles was at the 2020 WF conference when his initiative, his institute launched that public great reset along with the WEF.So Britain are certainly very much intertwined in this. So for those of you who are not in the States don't think this is a U.S. problem, it's worldwide, isn't that correct?
You are correct. And I think it's very important that we all begin to understand what is happening.We dial in, we begin to wake up to what is happening. I have a little audio clip I want to play for you.Should play just fine. This is the first person you're going to hear is Yuval Noah Harari for a reverse good time.If you have a bad time, someone says, I want to have a bad time. That sounds great.Go to Rumble and type in Yuval Noah Harari. Someone says, who's the guy that will guarantee me a bad time?Oh, yeah, this guy right here. He'll kill the joy. Yuval Noah Harari.He's the top advisor for this guy, Klaus Schwab.[19:30] And he's going to be speaking here. I want you to listen to what he says.Let's do this, here we go, folks.
 
Ideally, the response to COVID should be the establishment of a global healthcare system.[19:42] A basic healthcare system for the entire human race.
The Biden administration has negotiated deals to give the world health organisation authority over US pandemic policies.
New international health accords avoids necessary senate approval. The Biden administration is preparing to sign up the United States to a legally binding accord with the world health organisation that would give the Geneva based UN subsidiary the authority to dictate Americas policies during a pandemic, written under the banner of
[20:12] the world together equitably, the zero draft grants the World Health Organization the power to declare and manage a global pandemic emergency. Once a health emergency is declared, all signatories, including the United States, would submit to the authority of the World Health Organization regarding treatments, government regulations such as lockdowns and vaccine mandates, global supply chains, and monitoring and surveillance of populations.
You've written extensively on the topic that you've asked me to speak to, mastering the fourth industrial revolution.The Internet of bodies will for the first time mean that software will start causing physical harm to human bodies with some regularity.Could there be a connection between those two? COVID makes it, it accelerates the process of digitalization and automatization.It legitimizes the deployment of mass surveillance and it makes surveillance go under your skin.
It makes surveillance go under your skin.[21:15] What?[21:18] Isn't that crazy?
 
And that just came out just days ago. That is brand new information.And again, this is being exposed and showing even if we had the government in charge and many of us don't, they actually are extremely weak and they're handing the authority over to these, multinational faceless organizations.
 
Correct and they have no problem with giving away, our sovereignty to the World Health Organization, the World Health Organization that by the way promoted locked, they're basically a puppet organization of China, I'll say it that way.So China, they welded people into their homes, locked people into their homes.They're still taking people to these bizarre quarantine facilities.I mean, they have a zero COVID policy. I mean, this is worse.You talk about the surveillance state.They want to put surveillance under your skin.And that's going to be in charge of the World Health Organization.That's going to be in charge of every country.That's what's happening right there. But again, if you read the Bible, all this stuff is was prophesied.It was prophesied. That's what's happening right now.So we're in a spot right now where we're seeing the fulfilment of the Bible in front of us. Luke 21, Matthew chapter 24, And some people go, woo, this is exciting, the most exciting time I've ever seen. I love it. Yes![22:37] Other people like me say, I'm not really excited about this, but here we are.So I choose the decision that I made that I make every day is I choose to come on shows like yours, and to share the truth about what is happening. And then I get sued. So the former head of security and strategy for Dominion, Eric Coomer, sued me for defamation, sued the TOUR. So if you go to time to freeamerica.com and you click on the button, you can learn about the lawsuit, and it's expensive. And I do these events where I operated a loss because I let people name their price. I wish that every patriot was sitting around with $500 or $1,000 of discretionary income that they could spend at one of my events, but this is not the reality. So I tell people they can name their price. And the only event I've ever set a floor on or the lowest price you can pay, is the event we're doing in Doral in Miami because you were there, but you can only fit about 3,000 people in there. And because my legal costs have gone up, as well as the security costs, the security costs are a huge thing because Trump is now running for president. So the security costs went up. It didn't make the seating capacity go up. So we have to charge 175 minimum for that one.Now in Las Vegas, we have a little more run room because it'll be a bigger venue. In that event, in August, we can let people name their price and pay whatever price they want to pay. But again, And it's time to free America.com.People can learn more about that. They're time to free America.com.[24:04] There it is on the screen. Um, to other, you talk to them, the reawakened tour is all about education and you're presenting truth.It is a lot of truth to take, but tell us about, as you travel the country, if you find a, a willingness, uh, an acceptance of what is happening, a desire to do something about it, tell us kind of the response that you've got as you meet the public across the last two years.
Well, I mean, these are encouraging, it's factual. Usually I find a group of people that are very decent, they love America, they love of God and they are hearing most of this for the first time.[24:39] I know this because I asked them, I say, by show of hands, I do this halfway through day one, usually day two, I say, how many of you are learning about what's in the shots for the first time and every hand goes up? Woo.Okay, how many of you are discovering right now for the first time the mechanics of mRNA modified nanotechnology? Hands go up.I mean, it's amazing. People show up to see Jim Breuer or Eric Trump or Michael Lindell, or maybe names that are more known than my mind.You know, I'm pretty confident no one comes to see me, but when they show up, they learn all this stuff, and their lives are changed.And so I feel like my job right now is to help reawaken the world and to share the truth about what's going on.And I feel like it is something I'm called to do. It's not something that I wanted to do. I view it as a duty.And I just encourage everybody out there, you know, I still have five kids.I don't have, still five kids. I still own businesses. That hasn't changed.So now I get up every day at 3 a.m.[25:41] And I work until nine. This is my schedule right now is 3 a.m. to six every day.And then some days till nine. And it just depends on what the obligations are.Because there's not, if we do not get this information out now, we're not gonna be able to go back and go, well, I wish I would have said that.So right now I have a speaking engagement on Saturday that I'm preparing for.And so I've carved out a wonderful time at 3 a.m. tomorrow to make my outline for the presentation because there's very few things happening at 3 a.m.And so we all have to sacrifice. And I just encourage everybody out there, get involved in whatever capacity you can in helping wake up your family and friends.And if you are stateside and you can join us at the Reawaken America Tour, I encourage you to get those tickets at timetofreeamerica.com.Again, timetofreeamerica.com. Trump Doral in May and then Las Vegas, Nevada at Trump International in August.[26:37] Can I finish off just by looking at slightly separately, talking about education and educating the masses, the public, but I watched an interview you did with Mary Grace maybe a week ago, and you talked about educating Trump's team, educating leadership.Do you wanna just let us know a little bit about that? Cause that's exciting because we need government as well as the public to be educated.
I can say, my role is to meet with everybody who is around President Trump and to share with them the truth about a lot of things, but specifically the models that said 2.2 million people would die are false.So the whole fear for the very beginning was falsely created because the models that said that 2.2 million people would die from COVID are false.Two, the polymerase chain reaction tests continue to be falsely calibrated to inflate cases.Three, COVID continues to be treatable with budesonide, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.Four, the system and method for testing for COVID-19. The system and method for testing for COVID-19 was patented in 2015.[27:35] And the technology that goes under your skin allows them to win.It's called surveillance under the skin. You can see all the patents at, time2freeamerica.com forward slash revelation.Then if that part goes well, I explained to them, hey, I say, did you know that 1971 Klaus Schwab started the World Economic Forum for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 America got off the gold standard for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that America started trading with China for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 the Pope completed the creation of a building with a snakehead theme called his audience hall. What did you know that in 1971, America began sacrificing babies to bail abortion? Did you know that in 1971, the book Rules for Radicals was written and dedicated to Lucifer? And they go, what? And so when you go over all that, if you haven't heard it, you got to get all that whole presentation down into about five minutes. And if it goes well, it's like a game show, you earn five more minutes. Yeah. And so I've been meeting with people and I try not to ask for anything. I don't know, don't say, and now sign my face or now speak at my event or I don't do that. I just try to educate and that's what I'm doing and we'll see what happens.
 
It's interesting because obviously Trump has got some criticism.[28:46] For being involved with Warp Speed, all of that, but I kind of give him the benefit of the doubt, I assume that you've got a team of advisors that you don't necessarily get to pick or put in there.[28:58] You're saying he has it, Trump has a team of, had a team of advisors?
Yeah, I'm trying to because obviously Trump was involved in Warp Speed, a worldwide effort, and he certainly faces, has faced criticism for that.
Yeah, let me walk you through this real quick. And this is something that Eric Trump had said on one of our shows before so I can vouch, for it.But basically, Eric said that when President Trump got into the White House, they were were told that since the time of Reagan, you're supposed to hire 4,000 employees, in your first 70 days.And that's been since Reagan, you know, so you're supposed to fill the roster with 4,000, new employees in 60 days. So, and that's something they've been doing since Reagan, you know, so it's like the RNC is just putting people everywhere. And you know, Trump didn't know who Mike Pence was, and that he would certify a fraudulent election. I mean, he didn't know.[29:50] Deborah Birx. I mean, she'd been there for 20 years, didn't know who Fauci was. And, you know, these people had been there for years, all plotting this plan. And he just happened to be the president that I might, I think that Trump received many more votes than people thought he would get on the first go around. So I don't think that there was ever that was that I don't think that was part of the great reset plan was to have Trump there. And so I think because Trump was there, it created a situation where they're kind of thinking, what do we do? Because he went to Trump went to the World Economic Forum and told him he's going to put America first and not going to yield to the the globalist agenda. So I mean, President Trump, to his credit[30:29] tried to get that wall built, fought back, kept us out of wars, made the economy take off, got inflation way down. And then you know, the pandemic that was planned for years, showed up.And you know, I, Trump didn't know that was gonna happen. So I if I was President Trump, I'd like to think that I would have quickly discovered that Fauci was a Fauci was a pathological liar and that Deborah Birx was, you know, as well, but I but I, He did not, right? And so hindsight is 2020, but I can just say my prayers and thoughts are with President Trump and may he lead our country back to greatness and may he help liberate the free world.[31:05] And I think on that, Clay, I will thank you for your time. Really appreciate you coming along and sharing and all the links for our viewers. So thank you for joining us today.
Thanks for carving me and my crazy schedule. Thanks for carving me into your, along me, my crazy schedule to fit into your schedule. Thank you so much.
Always welcome. Thank you very much. Bye.

John Waters - How Uncontrolled Immigration Is Destroying Ireland

This episode, making a return to Hearts of Oak is the veteran Irish journalist, playwright, author, campaigner and political activist, John Waters.We have all seen the pictures coming from 'The Emerald Isle' of the protests against uncontrolled immigration. These demonstrations are very similar to what has been happening in the UK and John joins us to discuss the impact that mass immigration is having on Ireland. The damage to community cohesion and the blatant disregard for what is best for the citizens of Ireland is producing a pressure cooker atmosphere, those who raise concerns are branded as racists, bigots and being far right. Loving ones country is no longer accepted or tolerated by our politicians and media, have the government overplayed their hand and can the people of Ireland reclaim their country? Join us for John's expert analysis on this situation.John Waters is an Irish Thinker, Talker, and Writer. From the life of the spirit of society to the infinite reach of rock ‘n’ roll; from the puzzle of the human ‘I’ to the true nature of money; from the attempted murder of fatherhood to the slow death of the novel, he speaks and writes about the meaning of life in the modern world.He began part-time work as a journalist in 1981, with Hot Press, Ireland’s leading rock ‘n’ roll magazine and went full-time in 1984, when he moved from the Wild West to the capital, Dublin. As a journalist, magazine editor and columnist, he specialised from the start in raising unpopular issues of public importance, including the psychic cost of colonialism and the denial of rights to fathers under what is called family 'law'. He was a columnist with The Irish Times for 24 years when being Ireland's premier newspaper still meant something. He left in 2014 when this had come to mean diddly-squat, and drew the blinds fully on Irish journalism a year later. Since then, his articles have appeared in publications such as First Things, frontpagemag.com, The Spectator, and The Spectator USA. He has published ten books, the latest, Give Us Back the Bad Roads (2018), being a reflection on the cultural disintegration of Ireland since 1990, in the form of a letter to his late father. Connect with and support John...SUBSTACK: https://johnwaters.substack.com/WEBSITE: https://anti-corruptionireland.com/Interview recorded 20.2.23
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[0:22] John Waters, it is wonderful to have you with us and thank you for joining us once again.
It's a pleasure to be on with you again, Peter. Thank you very much.
Not at all. It's been, goodness, two years. I look back and it's January 2021, so please, accept my apologies for not having you on. More often we will do. And for the viewers and listeners, you can follow John on his substack, johnwaters.substack.com. I get it into my inbox and it will give you John's perspective and thoughts on a whole range of events.So, I do encourage you to go sign up for that and you can even sign up for the paid version, if you so wish and support John in that way.John, you're probably looking at the substack and I was reading through it today looking at your description.I noticed that you call yourself an Irish thinker, writer, and as Irish thinker, talker, and writer. That's the one.[1:23]I would have just put you on as a journalist, but that word is connotations.But yet you're the first guest I've ever had on who defines himself by being a thinker and a talker.
Yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. You've put your finger on there.I use, I come up with, try and come up with words of self-description that are not journalists, even though as a child I couldn't, the idea of being a journalist and having that name appended, that word appended to my name was like beyond a dream, you know, and now you know just connotations of just lying and scumry and just speaking on behalf of the power, attacking the vulnerable, you know, and so on and so on and so on. So yeah, it's really just an alternative to being regarded as describing myself really as a lying scum-bag, which you know, actually, I will try a little harder and I must come up with some more words for that because I think I'm going to need them for a little longer.[2:14] I think I could say this, someone born on the island of Ireland, born in the north and live in the south, it's so Irish. People think of the Irish as talkers, as thinkers.So it kind of fits into that little stereotype.
It does, yeah.It's a little bit pretentious, I have to say, a little bit affected, but it needs most.I kind of toy with the idea of reporter, but it doesn't really get me.I am, but it's a particular kind of writing, I guess. So journalist is a word, which, as I say, once treasured and hopeful, I hope will be treasured once again in our culture and our civilization. But at the moment it's the, it's the byword of a scumbag, you know?[2:58] Well, one issue that journalists have been silent on, we could have a range of issues, but the one we'll look at today is immigration and what's been happening in Ireland. Looking at it from over here on the mainland, as I would have called GB when I was back living in Ireland, Northern Ireland. But it seems to be an immigration level that's much higher than we've seen before. And the Irish have traditionally been a people of hospitality, of generosity, of open arms. But do you want to just give us your thoughts, your assessment on what exactly has been happening regarding immigration at the moment?[3:35] Well, as you say, Ireland always had a steady stream of people coming here to live and work and stay and be welcomed.And we didn't ever have an issue of rejecting any such people.But what's happening now and what has been happening for over 20 years is actually quite different, but increasingly so, acceleratingly so in the past three years since the so-called pandemic, which was used as a cover to bring in huge numbers, by night in planes. You would see them in the morning in Dublin with their cases dragging behind them, like 10 or 12 of them having come in from the airport. At the same time that the Irish people were locked down, and forbidden to go any more than 2 kilometres from their own homes. Half the world was coming to join us without any consultation with the Irish people. And this was a kind of an acceleration of a trend that had been with us with us for maybe 20 years going back to 2004 and the opening of the European borders, which you know.[4:33] The Irish people voted for. I didn't vote for it. I didn't agree with it. Not necessarily for that reason, although you know for reasons that I had fears that what was what is happening now would indeed happen. But so people did vote for the expansion of the European community and so on, the union and I didn't quibble with that. But it was clear from very early on, from maybe about 2005, 2007, that there were a lot of people coming into Ireland who were not Europeans and who didn't originate in Europe, that they were using Europe as a stepping stone to get into Ireland. Again, that was kind of something that had no context or no explanation in the context of what we had voted for. It wasn't being elaborated upon by politicians and so on.[5:24] And I remember at that time, around that time when I began to become aware of that, I started asking questions about it, but you weren't permitted to ask questions. To ask questions was racist. So if you wanted to know, I mean Ireland was at the time a population of under 4 million. And if you wanted to say, well, okay, well, like, you know, to somebody who wanted to open up our borders, well, like to what extent, you know, like, what is Ireland? You know, Is Ireland, as Thomas Davis prophesied, just a sand bank on which we walk about and indifferently and it doesn't really matter who's here, it doesn't matter why they're here, it doesn't matter, where they come from, it doesn't matter what their agendas are, or can we actually fix a number?That was the question that seemed to me to be the most germane, to say to these people, okay.[6:07] Fine, you want to bring in people, okay, but can you tell us who you're bringing in and can you tell us what your end game is? How many do you want to bring in? A population of less than 4 million?What? Another million? Oh, don't be ridiculous. Okay, fine. So you're saying that's too many.Okay, that's the start. Okay. Well, then let's say at the other end, the hypothesis maybe will say a dozen people.[6:34] Oh you play games, no no I'm not playing games, so it's not what is not a dozen, is not twelve, that's too few, fair enough I probably agree with you.[6:45] Now somewhere between twelve and a million is a figure that we need to fix on so can we work on that a little bit and maybe we end up with a figure that say four hundred and fiftythousand and twenty five. Right. OK. So on Monday morning after that, the four hundred, and fifty thousand and twenty sixth person arrives at Dublin airport and walks up the plane and says, here I am. And we say, sorry, you're very sorry. You're in hard luck. You know.[7:16] We're full up now. We've taken our quota. We said we would. And that says, I'm very sorry, but you're going to have to go back on the next plane. Is that racist? Is that racist? Well, of course, we know the answer to that it is racist, because there was never any question in these minds other than that. They would have free access, free free reign to bring as many people as they wanted into Ireland, which is an unlimited number. They have no limits. And they say this now, by the way, they say there is no upward seeding, there's no cap on migrants. We've already taken in nearly 100,000 Ukrainians, for example, in the last 10 months. And they're saying that we could expect the same again within a year. I mean, you know, and moreover, there's a concept which has been in use here in general, which we again is subterranean, of family reunification, whereby once one person comes in, they're entitled to bring in their extended family. And there's actually no upward limit on that either it appears but the average that we have found per person.[8:21] It's quite a shocking number is 20. So you think about say a hundred thousand Ukrainians coming into Ireland and having the right to bring in 20 people a piece say, and it's more if they want.[8:37] Well, what's that? You know, like, like, like that's 2 million people like that, without a single conversation with the Irish people about what they wish for their country, what they fear from this tendency.
But Ireland has had a massive change. The Ireland I grew up in in the 80s is a world away from the Ireland today.And that massive change, I mean, depending how you look at it, I look at it as someone who's, maybe a Christian or a conservative and see that massive change with the church being quite strong, with a cohesion in Ireland, understanding what it meant to be Irish. But that has been upended and Ireland has turned for me one of the most conservative countries, one of the most liberal countries. And a lot of those changes, I think, have happened again without the public necessarily being engaged with and asked and discussed, what are the consequences of these actions? Are they good or bad for the country? Is that a kind of fair assessment?
 
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean.[9:57] Basically we were told. I mean, this is essentially what we're talking about here, Peter, is, totalitarianism, as defined by Václav Havel, you know, where he was talking about, you know, that the future is prepared for you and you were told you must live in it and there are no options, there is no menu. This is it, you move in. You're no longer a sovereign person in your country.You are just simply a passenger and you're the same. You have the same rights if you have[10:24] as anybody who comes in. In fact, in practice, what we're finding is that the Indigenous population no longer have rights in this context at all. And the reason for that is very interesting, because what it actually is, it relates back to the United Nations and the United Nations taking up of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in the United States, which kind of gave a legal oomph to a, lot of the ideologies that were beginning to float around at that point. And in effect, what it means is that when a migrant comes to Ireland or any other country in Europe.[10:57] They are in effect a floating piece of UN jurisdiction. They bring with them all those kind of entitlements and rights which the UN will now provide them with but it is the Irish people who must pay for them.With their communities, with their homes, with their safety, with their security, with whatever is necessary in order to fulfil the contract with the UN has extended to this individual migrant.And the Irish people have no right to speak back to this. It is quite clear. They're, you know, they're just being bullied.I mean by so-called entertainers, by celebrities, so-called by NGOs, by government civil servants, all paid out of the Irish taxpayers' pocket.Now abusing the Irish taxpayer for asking simple questions about the future direction of his country and the chances of his or her children having a home to live in.[11:55] And the Irish people are saying no in increasing numbers. And thank God, because it has taken a long time for them to overcome their fear of being demonised, of being called names by these people.But now they realise that the price of silence is too great.It is the complete destruction of their metaphysical home and the loss of the birth right of their children.[12:18] How is this, I mean, Ireland is a country that you know what Irish means and probably a country with one of the strongest identities around the world has been, but that kind of identity, that heart and soul seems to be ripped out of the country.How is that, how has that happened? Or how has that been allowed to happen?I mean, we see it in the UK, self-hatred of the country, but you kind of thought being[12:54] Irish is something different, is something to really be proud about and the fabric of the society and culture.How has it changed completely?
Well, you see, Ireland's been under assault for 800 years, you know, I mean, first of all by Britain, but more recently for the past 100 years by its own people, you know, who have basically stepped into the role of colonizers within, native settlers, as it were.And that has now, you see this whole thing of demonization. The demonization, you talked about this kind of conservative liberal axis.I mean, I don't necessarily think the words are hugely useful anymore, any more than left and right are useful, but they do describe something in a sense.And certainly they divide the field and we can see more clearly.So it's useful enough to use them, they're not necessarily words that have a precise meaning. And you know we've now had, as you say, these culture wars for particularly in the last decade where we had a series of referendums which attacked the fundamental rights section of the Irish constitution on the basis of marriage, on the basis of abortion, on the basis of so-called rights of children, which are now, by the way. I oppose all these at referendum.[14:07] And interestingly the one in 2012 about so-called children's rights was the most baffling for people, as to why I would do that. They say are you opposed to children having rights? And I say absolutely not, but their rights must be vested in their parents, has always been the case. Now after this, and it was narrowly passed, what happened was that the state took on the role of, super-parent and now you see the fruits of it where a government minister stands up on her hind legs and tells people that she is going to allow children of 16 years of age to transition, to change genders without their parents' knowledge or consent. Now that's the culmination of what happened in 2012. So to answer your question, this is the conditions you see. You see, I believe, Peter, that actually Ireland was, I forget the word, but there is a word in Spanish for what they call a self coup. I think we had one such of those in Ireland in 2011, which precedes this period, just a little more over a decade ago. And what it was, was really that the American government[15:14] under Obama seemed to take Ireland under its wing and send all kinds of secretive forces into our midst, nor to manipulate and so on, and teach us the expertise of scumry. And we learned well. Our leaders learned well. They are complete scumbags now. And so one of the things they did, and particularly so in the 2015 referendum on marriage, was they launched these LGBT goons.[15:43] As almost like Rottweilers, you know, packs of Rottweilers into the culture, telling people what they could and could not say, therefore what they could and could not think. And they terrified the lives out of people because people at the time, this was new and they'd never seen anything.People, Irish people are gentle and you don't want to offend people and so on mostly.[16:03] They need to get over that by the way. What you actually ended up with was what I call a culture of mutism or lock job where people became afraid to open their mouth for fear of saying the wrong thing in the wrong company and that they would be pulled up and reprimanded and chastised by somebody And that's therefore what you actually found in the last decade.And I found this in places like up in the west of Ireland, where people never stop talking and saying the most outrageous things to each other, all my life. And not being afraid of that, or not even being offended by it, but enjoying the possibility that you could have these entangled, but now, when you would mention some slightly risqué subject, there was look around......[16:55] And then they would say, but you can't open your mouth.
 
Exactly the same here.When people will say to you, well said, completely agree with you.I also share that concerns, but I really can't speak up because it's X, Y, Z. And people, seem to have lost the courage. They still have that inside belief, but they've lost the courage to speak.
Yeah. There was a great novel published there about five years ago by Anna Burns called Milkman, which was about that culture in operation in Northern Ireland.And that really resonated with me when I read it more recently in the last couple of years.It's a powerful book in that sense because it really gets at the undertones of what happens in a consciousness, collective and individual, when that kind of pressure for Omerta, is actually bearing down upon that culture.And that, I think, has been the singular most effective instrument.And that's why people ask, why is it that the LGBT movement are always drifting around the immigration issue. Well, that's why.They're paid to silence people. That's their skill.[18:10] LGB Rottweilers, that image sticks with me. It's a perfect description. What about in the UK, our politicians have talked about immigration, our immigration, which is out of control, has happened under a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years.They keep telling us, don't worry, we're going to fix it. We're going to put the brakes on it, we're going to deal with it, but they never do. So there is talk. In Ireland, are they even talking about trying to do something or is there just ignoring the situation?
No, no. You see, what happens is, yes, exactly that, exactly what you've described there, Peter, that there is talk. Occasionally, intermittently, there is talk. But that talk is purely to to damp down the resistance and people to go back to their work, their everyday activities and forget about marching and chanting and so on.And you get that now they've been muttering about the government now, mutter about, oh, they're now revealing, for example, that 60% of the migrants coming into Ireland have no papers.[19:20] Now that's a shocking, none of us in our wildest nightmares would have dared make such an assertion that even say half or even a quarter of these people have no, we would have regarded a quarter of people of those people having no documents when they arrive here as an absolutely shocking statistic.They're saying 60%. The government is saying 60%. They're admitting culpability and they're implying by that that they're going to do something to stop it.But of course they're not. They're saying that to give the impression that everything is fine now.The government suddenly has realized that maybe they've gone too far or it's gone too far or there's too many people coming here. We didn't intend this to happen.They put out advertising all over the world, telling people that if they came to Ireland, they will get their front door key within four months.[20:05] Wow. Wow. That 60%. That is basically a green light because you're publicizing that there's no stopping. You and I going traveling, you don't have your passport, you're not going anywhere.[20:23] And yet that 60%, I saw that figure. That's just a big green light saying, you can come here, don't worry about any legality issues.
That's right. That's right. And you see the point is, here's the important point. The people doing this, whether they be politicians or civil servants or NGOs or whatever, they are people who can claim to be virtuous on the basis of forcing other people to accept all of these newcomers.While never actually, because they live in basically sheltered areas that are not affected.[20:58] And they parade in the streets and accuse other people of being racist, smug in the knowledge that they live in an area where the houses are too expensive for these people to go or for these people to be placed. The government can't afford that or wouldn't seek to do it.It has targeted working class community. It strikes me a little bit,[21:18] they look for families that are lacking in some problem, maybe marital difficulties or, alcoholism or something like that. So there's a weakness.And this is the condescension of these people that they imagine their working class communities, have a weak solidarity or that they don't really care about each other or whatever.They couldn't be further from the truth. It just shows how little they know about the people that actually they expect to vote for them.And what you're finding therefore is that people are actually, the very people, they would have been better off targeting. In fact, they should start to target now the people that were marching in Dublin yesterday, or on Saturday.I would suggest to them that[21:54] they would take their video, get the video from the guards who were obviously filming the march, as they always do, and just find out where all these people live and then move the migrants in there. And that they will deal with the problem like that, no problem. Let's see how that goes for them. We know it won't go because as soon as this begins to encroach on these people's own doorsteps, their compassion dissolves and evaporates. It's only when it's being imposed upon others, that they're feeding the capacity to be, as they put it, tolerant.
Well, exactly the same thing happened in the UK. They're putting these people, not in the affluent areas, that would affect those in charge, but in other areas, and there have been big demos up in Liverpool, I guess mirroring what has happened over there. But tell us about those demonstrations because you kind of stand up and you think, okay, the people are beginning to push back. The worry is that people just accept, but there seems to be pushback. So tell us about those kind of demonstrations.[23:04] Well, particularly, I think since the turn of the year in the working class era before actually in East Wall in Dublin, there was a community there being encroached upon and they rose up and very successfully and very momentously and a lot of people around the world started to pay attention to this. And then there have been other places in Mullingar for more, different towns around the countryside. And what you see there is not, you see the slimy lying media tried to present this as a far right and radicalized by these shadowy figures from abroad and so on.So the utter nonsense drivel, lies.[23:42] And what it's actually the communities themselves, it's women with prams marching.And of course, then what happens is that Antifa and these people that LGBT thugs, who want to just wade in with their hammers, etc. can't do that.And they're rather annoyed by this. and they accused the marchers of putting their children at risk.Well, there would be no risk if these scumbags didn't come near them.[24:09] You know, so, you know, like we need to get, I think, really, you might think my language is a little strong, but that's what I think is most important about this, that the Irish people learn to ramp up their outrage, and trust their repugnance of these people and speak the words that describe them.[24:30] Because when you are dealing with something profane, you have to use profane language.[24:36] Or you do not communicate its true nature. And that's why I use those words. And I think that's beginning to happen now. The two things are happening. One is that people are realizing that the cost of saying nothing, of being quiet, quiescent and mute is too great.
We need the same back when Ireland was founded, their uprising and then fighting to gain their independence and that's exactly what you need, fighting for the right to reclaim your culture, what it is to be Irish and to not let politicians decide for you. So it is exciting to see that.[25:17] Yes it is and it's interesting that it's come from the working class and there's a very interesting parallel here to be drawn with the COVID episode, because again in that episode we saw, the quiescence of the so-called intellectual classes, the educated classes, the artist classes, you know, the the journalists classes, you know, so on. And it, but when you actually went into a working class community, people were common sense to get above what was happening, and saw right through it. And so now, you know, this is the extraordinary thing that, you know, that a culture, and this is very important, that considering that the impact this has made in a short time, without any recourse to reasonable coverage in the national media, all antagonistic, all lying, all mendacious and so on.[26:08] Without artists, poets, singers, so-called, you know, singing songs at their rallies and so on.These are just ordinary people saying, no, no, enough, enough now. This is our country.We were born here. Our children have been born here. We want to preserve this country for them and for their children. And you will not destroy it. Because remember, there's another factor here, which is somewhat obviously opaque because the police force refused to police migrants by and large. But there have been countless stories of rapes, of all kinds of intimidation, of thefts.[26:48] And so on, which the authorities refuse to even speak about. And indeed in which they will be gladly twist the facts in order to make it look like it is the indigenous population that are responsible. And we've had several incidents of that in the past year. Going back this time last year, a woman called Ashley Murphy was murdered by a migrant. And immediately, again, under the influence of the American experience of street theatre and so on, the street, suddenly, almost like as soon as it happened, the street was flooded with people with placards protesting against Irish misogyny.You had the similar thing in Sligo then in April last, where two men, two gay men were, basically executed by a Muslim. They were decapitated and castrated.And the president and other people and the LGBT scumbags went out and attacked the Irish for being homophobic.[27:50] You couldn't make it up, really couldn't.
 
This is what you're dealing with.I mean, you're dealing with a country that is so corrupt that, you know, the word is completely inadequate.We need new words. You know, the word, the nearest word that I can come up with or that I've discovered, that kind of gives a resonance of where we are, Peter, in Ireland now is the word that describes the nature of our government.And that word is Kakistocracy. Kakistocracy. Government by the worst. Yeah.That's what we have in Ireland.[28:23] Kakistocracy.
 
Tell us about, because in the UK we are having people, obviously the boats coming over, the little boats coming over the English Channel from France into Dover, into Kent, that's what's visible.And that's I think 50,000 last year, talking about 80,000 plus this year.But you've also got, that's only part of the issue. I think we've had a million people come into the country last year, that's legal and illegal.But it is often the visible route or those little boats coming over, that's the immediacy.But there are many other ways.What is the situation with Ireland? Is it the boats coming in with goods and services and people on?Where is, where are the routes coming into Ireland?
These people are being bussed in, they're being brought in by the government now.Essentially they're being flown in, they're flying in on planes like by an ARC.There was a period when there were boats arriving and so on, but we've kind of moved on from that.There's no necessity for them to go surreptitiously. They can get a flight to Ireland, the government will pay for it.They're told by the NGOs not to display their papers. Whether they hold onto them or not, we don't know.On some instances they don't.They throw them in the bin on the way off the plane, whatever.And so on. And to put a kind of a quantifier on what's happening, I mean[29:51] It's very hard because you cannot trust a single word that the authorities tell you about anything.[29:57] But I do know certain things about this because, I mean, first of all, there is the anecdotal[30:05] facility that we have. And I know that many times, if I've been in the middle of Dublin, I don't want to go in there now because it's a terrible place. But you would walk maybe from a place like the Four Courts to the pier station, which is about a mile and a half. And I would, as an exercise to myself, listen to accents and say, well, what proportion of these are Irish?And generally the Irish proportion would come out as somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of those.[30:33] So that's kind of a snapshot. But the statistics, of course, don't bear any resemblance to that.Now, I don't say necessarily that that percentage in the middle of Dublin is accurate as to the entirety of the country, but it is an indicator of something. Now another indicator is if we look at some statistics that I've seen for the decade from up to 2019, which is just before the period I've been talking about, the Covid period, when it is clear that on average in that period 120,000, immigrants came into Ireland each year in that period. But interestingly as well, 105,000 Irish people left. Now you just think about that. So we still have emigration, which is a historical problem we've had in Ireland, going into the mid-19th century, they're called the famines, to great famines, as it were.[31:32] That amounts to like, you know, very interesting when you go into that, because when you take away, you see the government strategy is to cancel one out against the other, more or less. That isn't, this is actually a replacement of one by the other. And more than replacement. So that means that you have well over a million from that decade alone, you know, and that's their official figures.[31:54] Now, I don't believe these people are telling us anything like half the truth. So, you know, You have to say there are words now that we have 25% of our population is non-national.And that would have happened within, that would have gone from pretty much a very low base, in 20 years, and particularly acceleratingly as I say, so in the last two years.[32:16] Now, when you factor in then another element, which is the fertility rates, respective fertility rates of the indigenous population, the Irish population, which has been now in recent years subject by these politicians to an abortion referendum which legalized it and in fact is, funded by the public purse, right? We, even though we object to the murder of children, have to pay for it when our taxes, you know, it's obscene beyond description. But, you know, if you just compare it to the fertility rate, as people will know, you know, replacement rate for the population, the current population of a country is it needs 2.1 children per adult female. Now, the figure for Ireland given is 1.8 but when you zoom in on that you realize that actually that figure includes the incoming population. So it's not representative because in many instances the fertility rate among those populations like for example in Somalia is something like five.[33:15] And so on. So therefore what you're looking at a situation where Ireland has I would say an an estimate of 1.3, which is about as low as it has gone so far in Europe.[33:25] And that's way below the replacement rate. In fact, it's way beyond the level that at which the population falls off a cliff, which is said to be 1.6 in a generation you've gone.You've lost your population. You've lost your you were a mere lump within the society.And that's where we're headed.[33:45] And they seem intent and then when you say that to you, you know, this is where it gets completely laughable to actually, you know, even though the UN uses the term replacement in relation to, to, you know, elderly demographics and so on.If I or anybody on our side of the argument uses the word replacement, that's regarded as a racist concept.And they just will say that I'm just repeating it. And because they control the entirety of the media, that's what other people, the ordinary people who are affected by this, pick up and then throw it out without thinking.[34:17] Unless it until it comes to knock on their doors. That is what that they would if you say, if I start saying, oh, yeah, that's for replacement theory.That's a racist concept.You know, this sort of stuff. And another concept that is supposed to be racist is a cultural Marxism, which is the opinion ideology of all of this, which is the ideology of the use of a victim, as a battering ram to destroy Western civilization. And that's what's going on.
Tell us, because Ireland is a small country, 4 million, the UK is well, we're told as me...
We're five now Peter, sorry.
Oh you're five, sorry. But for a small country, And that's massively affected.With the UK, you go up to the Midlands, you go up to Bradford and areas like that, and there used to be a church in every street corner. It's literally now a mosque in every street corner.I've walked around seeing it.But the change really in the country, with a large country, the change has been a little bit more gradual.With Ireland, the change has been very rapid.I mean, because that is an utterly destructive effect on a country which is so small.
Oh yeah, well you can see that already. You can see it on the roads in the traffic, you know, and you can see it on the M50 which circles Dublin. It's just a gridlock in the evening time.You can see it in the hospitals which are overrun.[35:42] There's lots of ways you can measure it. And then they tell us that there's loads of capacity, Ireland's a big country, and a lot of landmass.And I find this particularly interesting because I've been around a long time, and I remember being involved in arguments trying to suggest that we need a better, more evenly distributed[36:05] distribution of resources throughout the country in order to make sure that the West and the the South grew in a proper way.And of course I was told there's nothing down there only bog, but now it seems they've forgotten about the bog and it seems we can now take tens of millions of foreigners in our country.So this is the thing, you see, okay, well look, Peter you have to really then stop because it's quite clear, and we go back to that word, kakistocracy.It's quite clear that the people doing this have no conscious or thoughts whatsoever for the effects it's going to have in so far as that they[36:46] don't care if they damage Ireland, they don't care if they destroy Ireland, they don't care what happens to the people of Ireland. That's quite clear. There's no doubt about it now. They're more or less saying that the Irish people are not entitled to get houses before migrants. That's policy now in effect. Even no matter how long they've been on the list, they're not entitled to to continue, they're taken off the list or they're pushed back and the migrants are ushered ahead.Now, you know, I, and this is all being used with a kind of a blackmail tactic of, you know, are you a Christian or are you not a Christian? All this nonsense. People who haven't a Christian hair on their heads. You know, like, so you then have to look at these people and ask, well, what is going on? Why are they doing this? Are these the same people who asked for our votes?[37:36] Not that long ago? Are these the people who promised that they would look after our country.[37:41] And that they would take care of it better than the others? Well, now one of the things we notice is that they're all saying the same thing. So that this isn't just that it's one party or the government, it's the government and the opposition and the fringe leftists or whatever they are parties down to maybe you'll get two or three independents who are dissenting in a certain kind of sort of a kind of way. And you have to say then that essentially what it means is that Ireland is completely captured and is captured by an ideology that is intent upon destroying it, and that the leadership and the political class know about this.And that they're working it through on behalf of the interest, whether they're being paid, whether they've been blackmailed, whether they've been threatened with hurt or damage, I don't know.[38:32] But they're doing it willingly. And they're doing it in such a barefaced way that no sensible person, could do other than gasp at what they're saying and what they're responsible for doing. So[38:45] the question then is how much longer it will take for the people fully to awaken.And see not just this issue but all the others as well. And then the next question is well, what could we possibly do about it? Well, you know, I've said it before, Peter, I think the only hope for Ireland really now is complete collapse. The complete collapse of the Irish economy for many years, maybe a decade, might actually have the consequence of readiness of all of these problems, readiness of the political establishment has been responsible. We thought we done that before, by the way, in 2010, 11. But they came back, the same people, which is a long story, but an interesting one. We might talk about it some other day. And, you know, so I think that, you know, if the Irish economy could collapse, and I think it might in the coming year or two.[39:40] I think, and Europe, of course, with it. I think that we would have a hope of basically our country going back[39:49] 30, 40 years and building again from the ground up.
 
Well, you're right, because Ireland has grown really and had spectacular growth.[40:01] We're told the tiger economy with a lot of foreign investment because of the tax, low taxes, having an educated population, English speaking population right on the edge of Europe.And it's grown on the back of that and made Ireland a desirable despite all the different crashes.But if Ireland is no longer desirable, then people obviously move from Mogadishu to Dublin, because there's an attraction.But if the society collapses, that attraction goes. So that does make sense then that reverses that immigration.
Well, first of all, I want to clarify a little bit about the economic story because that is a mythology which is broadcast by political interests. The reality is that Irish economy[40:53] is dying, has been dying for decades. What you're talking about there, what they talk about, what they promote and trumpet around the world is a cuckoo in the nest economy which comprises entirely multinational corporations who benefit Ireland almost only to the extent that there's a little trickle which falls at their feet and that we lick up off the ground. The economy of Ireland, if they came into Ireland those people promising to create jobs and the assumption was that there would be jobs for Irish people. Google, take one example, would you like to guess how many of the the Irish population, what proportion of it is Irish, of the staff of Google?
You'd expect like maybe 50%?[41:37] 5%. And that draws the picture for you. This is a complete con. The Celtic Tiger was a con, of course it was. It was just simply a bicycle pumping up a bubble and then burst. And we ended up with a debt of something like 50 odd billion, which includes the debts of half of Europe as well well as our own. And now we are in this situation where we have all these, like for example, we have data processing plants in all over Ireland, hundreds of them, which are using up more electricity than the entire population put together. They're also using water to cool down these things, which means that this summer we're going to have a dramatic drought, in Ireland. Already the signs that the reservoirs are very low and we're still in February, the months that historically we were told fills the dikes, not only nowhere, the dikes are now empty or very near to us. And this is all part of the same pattern, you know. So the Irish economy has been struggling and of course it was delivered a series of absolutely lethal hammer blows during the COVID episode where many people were put out of business, small businesses, you know, all over the country. And that is still to work its way through.[43:00] So this is all happening at this time. Now you'd have to conclude Peter that this is clearly no plan, for the development of Ireland in any way what's happening. It is the plan for mysteriously and opaquely and so on and so on and so on. Who can possibly see into this? Who could predict it? Who could have predicted it? It is a plan for the destruction of Ireland, the permanent obliteration of the Irish people from their own country and their attestation by people who presumably by, by virtue of having no attachment to the sand bank, as it will be, as Thomas Davis warned us against, that they will be people that will simply just do whatever work they have to do, spend their money and not cause any trouble, that there will be no talking about patriotism or any of that nonsense in the future, and that the authorities and the secret unknowns who run the world will have no headaches emanating from the island of Ireland.[43:59] Well, just finally, looking at what's happened in the UK, actually a commentator I heard yesterday, on the radio was talking about the cohesion of a culture collapsing and people pushing back. AndI think that's just as we're seeing in Liverpool and in touched before. And I think that's what I see that hope that it's no longer shrugging your shoulders and accepting it, but it is a pushback, from the people.
 
I think it's, you see, it's so desperate now. We're now at the point where desperate measures are necessary. And you can't predict what will happen in that situation because you[44:39] can't judge people by their responses in peacetime. And you might have got the impression that the Irish people in the last three years were very docile and compliant and so on and so on. And some of them are undoubtedly, but I don't think they all are by any means. There's a spirit there.That burns, that has guttered a little bit in the last three years, but is now beginning to sort of liven up a little bit. And I think I wouldn't like to be a politician in the coming couple of years.[45:04] Exactly. Well, John, I appreciate you coming on and sharing what exactly has been happening over in Ireland. So thank you for being with us today.
Thank you, Peter. Great pleasure.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

How’s the craic?It's another Irish night at Hearts of Oak as David Vance joins us afresh to give us his honest and often scathing appraisals on the talking points, from the news and his social media this past week. Under the microscope this episode.....- The Invasion: Illegal channel migration expanding.- Tribunal due to rule on Shamima Begum’s citizenship case.- Florida issues new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer a heart attack after taking experimental Covid jab.- Better late than never: Past COVID infection 'as good as vaccines' at preventing severe illness.- Brexit: The betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons?- Trump statement on Sturgeon's resignation in Scotland.- Those prosecuted for silently praying outside an abortion clinic are cleared after arrest by police sparked fury.- Lolz. ‘Chinese spy balloon’ shot down over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.- Net Zero Bollocks: Log burner rule change in England could land users with £300 fines.- LGBT-BS 24/7: Trans NHS- Food inflation skyrockets in the UK. Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 18.2.23
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[0:22] Thank you for joining us. David Vance, thank you for coming on this evening to share your wisdom.[0:27] My pleasure. And don't forget, you're also streaming on Twitter as well.[0:33] We're on my Twitter and your Twitter, our Twitter. Two Twitters become one.[0:42] The wonders of technology. We'll pull in comments as they appear on the side. And as always, lots happening. I don't know if we will get through the stories. David, I noticed you had a[0:59] great guest. I'm sure all your guests are great. But Christina Bobb you had on recently. Do you want to just mention that just to give people a flavour of what they may have missed?
Well, very, very simple. It's kind of ironic. A lovely guest, a really good person. Christina, as you know, is an attorney to the Donald Trump 2024 campaign. She was involved back in 2020 as well. She'd written a book, Peter, about essentially the shenanigans concerning 2020 and the lessons to be drawn from that so that 2024 isn't a repeat of 2020. So we had a great conversation. She made a lot of good points. I mean, she's very much on the, ball and then I got an email the next day from our good friends at YouTube saying you're not allowed to discuss the 2020 election. How dare you? We're taking this video off our site and, and we're giving you a seven day strike.Take that Christina Bobb, take that David Vance, take that Donald Trump. This is the cancer that is[2:01] Google slash YouTube. So yeah, what can you say, Peter? You're having a civilized conversation.Christina is a very, I mean, she's an attorney, so she knows how to speak in non-inflammatory terms and kind of fact-based questioning, but that's not allowed, which tells me that the scandal of 2020, Is so great that over in YouTube and Google, they're just not prepared to countenance, you know, so[2:29] maybe with our friend, Wachiki, having left the building, maybe Google, I don't know if it's, going to write itself or not, but anyway, Trump won.
 
Exactly. Yeah, you should know better, David, than streaming it. Come on.
 
I'm reckless. Well, the thing is, Facebook, I streamed it there, It was fine. But YouTube, oh no, you can't do that one. So yeah, I think I'll be very[2:57] selective what I bothered streaming. In fact, actually, Peter, I might not even stream. I might, just do shorts over in YouTube because it's such a, it's such a censorious assess, but there's not a good content on it. Don't get me wrong. But for people like me that want to get out more, that's challenging stuff. But it's the first strike I've had in quite a while. So there you go.[3:23] Well let's jump into some of the stories and let's have a look at immigration and let's see if I can play this. My producer is away at the moment so it'll just be me. Let me see if I can pull this up.
[3:39] For the people smugglers, increased police activity around Dunkirk and Calais has made, their regular launch points more difficult to operate from. French authorities are also busy erecting miles of extra security fencing around those beaches and that's driving the small boats further south. For years the criminal gangs have predominantly used the shortest route, to the UK, pushing off first from the beaches around Calais, then expanding to include areas near Dunkirk. While occasional boats have been launched farther south, in the past six months this route using beaches near Boulogne has seen a significant spike in activity.And for maritime...
David, well, this is obviously immigration. This was GB News covering it, talking about the difficulties of these poor individuals not being able to go the shortest route. And we've been really selfish in telling them they have to go slightly further. But yeah, you'd posted at this. Tell us your, your thoughts. Because GP news is really the only one that highlight this issue.[4:49] Yeah, it's only a matter of time to off come declare that any conversation on this is off limits, Peter. But yeah, I mean, it's seen that and the thing that struck me is number one, oh, how awful that they're being forced around the French coast a bit. I mean, the right place to, push them would be right round and down to Spain so that they then have to head back across the Mediterranean to Northern African shores where many of them come from. But yeah, I mean, the way the way the media would have you believe, you know, the sheer inhumanity of it, why, don't we build a bridge so they, you know, or a slide so they can just slide across the English Channel. It's all farcical anyway. I couldn't care less where their, you know, their start-off point is. It should never, ever end with them landing on British shores is what I think. I think our obligation is to stop every boat from wherever it comes, with these criminal gangs, Peter, driving it, and then these, frankly, criminals who are on it.[5:53] Because if you partake in a criminal act, I'm afraid that makes you a criminal.It doesn't have any other walk of life, but apparently not to these poor, disadvantaged, vulnerable men of military age coming across the channel in the dinghies.So yeah, it's interesting what's happening. Also by the way, in that video, did you see the fence that the French are putting up?.It's a bit two foot tall. I mean, you could step over it. That's stopping nobody unless they are very vertically challenged. So most people are going right over that fence or right through that fence. And this is what we're paying millions and millions to the French. Better pay the French nothing, have a strong naval presence that actually stops the boats and stops them coming here.Because once they get here, it's all over for us. you know it's straight to hotels in Knowsley or wherever else they can be found.
But David, I thought the short fences were really quite racist because they're claiming that anyone who's a foreigner is very short and us Brits are very tall.[6:57] That's right. Yes. It's more racism. I'm glad you can see the racism here because it's important, we keep our eyes spotted for this. Yeah. It's kind of like it's such a shell operation from the French.I mean, they're doing the bare minimum. And I mean, ultimately, whether it's, you know, whether it's Calais or whether it's a bit further along, what does it matter? If they come here, they're in, so we have to stop them coming here. And of course, this is a serious point, as you know, and I'm sure those watching this understand, there's absolutely no desire on, the part of British political class to stop any of them. I mean, I've seen Nigel Farage talk about this and he's right about this. There's just no desire. They don't want to know. And as you also know, the only way we can really stop it anyway is if we leave the ECHR, if we invoke our own sovereignty, and as I say, if we actually do something, but we're too scared, to do it. Our politicians are too scared to do it. So yeah, it's going to be a slightly more southern sort of starting point for them, but the finishing point is always the same, the UK.
Yeah.[8:05] Well, let's look on to actually not people coming here, but people leaving and then not being able to get back.And if only they were all like Shamima Begum in that we would strip them off the right to stay.But this is, I think, shocking to most people, tribunal to rule on Shamima Begum's citizenship case next week.So she's in this legal battle with the government demanding, no, I know I'm a terrorist and I went off with ISIS but hey, I'm actually just a nice girl now, if they're right.But it's such a waste of time and money, it's madness.
 
It is Peter, it's all of that and worse.So I think there's a fair chance that Islamic bride Shamima Begum will be permitted back into the UK.You've seen, I'm sure people may have seen over the past couple of weeks.[8:58] Stories going out about her almost treating her like she's a model, a kind of a fashion icon.[9:05] This is the same lady who did say that she felt that the Manchester Arena bombing, that terrible event that happened back in 2017 was justified. She said that.Same lady who said, I mean, when you think of, I mean, I put a podcast out on this today, because I was contrasting.So Shamima Beggum being treated by the parts of the media as a fashion icon is kind of shocking.And yet she sympathized with the bomber, the Jihadi, who killed all those kids and their, moms and dads. So awful stuff.And at the same time, and this is where I draw the contrast, and this is why, yes, I I do hate the British establishment.Morrissey, the singer Morrissey, then releases an album or tries to release an album, the title track of which, is specifically about the rage he felt over the bombing at that Manchester Arena.And well, what's happened to him? Well, it's not being released.That's what's happened to him.[10:11] So he's taken a view, which I think many people will feel, looking back at events like that, we shouldn't look back.They say, don't look back in anger.Morrissey says, we should look back in anger. And I say that as well.But he's non-persona, he's cancelled.Meanwhile, I reckon there's a fair chance that Shamima Begum will come back to the UK, and be hailed as some kind of new woman, strong, empowered woman coming back to bring much needed diversity, which no doubt she picked up in the Islamic State camps to the UK.Oh, what joy.[10:48] Diversity, that's what we're missing. Before I jump on to some of our COVID stories, let me just pull up some of the comments here.I've got the Gettr tab open. So Tiger Boy 1985, first on Evening Peter and David.Then Canadian Mom 1997, Evening Peter and David. Biotech Babe, Chris Davis 33, Melismac.We have, I'm trying to, there are lots, yep, there are lots of you there.So I'm scrolling, scrolling. Thank you for, few picture comments there.Thank you for joining us.And I hope we'll provide some entertainment for you as the evening progresses.So let's stay on, let's jump on to COVID, from immigration to COVID.And is this really quite an unusual story?A story of course David that we thought should have been there right at the beginning, but anti-lockdown Florida, I don't know if the Daily Mail are saying that's good or bad, anyway, issues controversial new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer heart attack after COVID shot.So the Florida Health have put out a release telling doctors to issue these warnings.[12:07] It's quite an unusual story, quite an unusual thing happening now. What do you, this obviously caught your eye.
Well it did because I mean again the rank hypocrisy of the plagiarists in the Daily Mail.[12:21] I use the word plagiarist advisedly because it plagiarized me during the week.[12:26] So yeah, anti-lockdown Florida. Well, so is that pejorative? Can they not just say Florida? Do they have to put that in? There's the first point. The second point, it made me laugh this actually, you know, the issue of controversial new guidance. What's controversial about it? It's fact-based, no doubt about it, that we know empirically, no argument that the COVID jabs can cause[12:51] cardiovascular events such as heart attacks. So we know that. So, you know, I don't understand where the Daily Mail is coming from that, you know, they could cause heart attacks. Of course, they do cause heart attacks. We know that. But maybe Peter, I like the broader picture is perhaps, beyond the remit of the awful Daily Mail, is that this dam that is breaking, I've been going on about this now, I think the last time we talked as well, I think more and more as the weeks go by, the months go by they can't hold back.They just can't hold back the truth coming out about the jabs, about the adverse reactions, about all the horrors, the stuff that we were talking about, we were shouting about, back at the end of 2020 before they even started the jabs. We warned. And now, yeah, the Daily Mail, and I think this is, see, this is the function of organizations like the Daily Mail. They go ahead of the game a little bit to start maybe, you know, preparing people for the awful reality that, that the jabs do cause heart attacks and the jabs do everything but give you that which you were told.So I thought it was an interesting headline. So maybe the Daily Mail is just softening people up for whenever we get more and more stories, more and more information and we can see exactly what has been going on for two years.So I thought it was a significant headline, although I do dispute much of what the Daily Mail actually says.[14:21] Oh yeah, let me just bring up one of the graphs they also included, which again, this shows the adverse reactions and they actually say this is a 1700% increase.Now, it would be good if they had actually led with that instead of including that away at the beginning.Because they've given the reason and yeah, you're right, they're seemingly attacking, the officials in Florida.But yet they include the data that shows the reasons why.Again, it doesn't make sense. The story, the headline doesn't really connect with the truth they give.
That's right.Exactly, Peter. And all the way through this, we've argued from a position of facts and data, because, I think that's the only basis for argument really, because if it's just opinion, one, man's opinion is another man's poison.But when you look at the data, like that chart you just put up, I mean...You know, and there's more and more of this coming out. I mean, if you look at excess deaths.[15:24] which we've all been talking about, it's unstoppable now. I think Germany, I put up a thing today, Germany sitting at 50 percent excess deaths. Do you know? And I mean, and I take, there's no pleasure at all in being proven right. But by the same token, there's no pleasure about, being ignored when you're trying to do the right thing and warn people. So yeah, I mean, you know, it looks, wow, it looks like something happened in 2021. In fact, actually, if you look at Germany, which is even worse, you can actually see the big spikes in excess deaths and all these events, coincide with the first jab, the second jab and the booster jab. It's clear as day. And, you know, know, I think that they're at the point now where they know this just absolute deluge of information is going to overwhelm the defences they have stuck up for the past couple of years. So at least Peter, we've been on the right side throughout this. And I just feel sorry for people who, you know, who went along, who believed the authorities. And we have to be careful not to be, you know, too sort of patronising to them. I feel bad for them, because a lot of them have woken up themselves and said, whoa, no more of this for us.Mind you, if you're in Canada and you say that, you're not getting an organ transplant.[16:44] I saw that, pure evil from Trudeau.[16:48] So that was the Daily Mail wakening up, and this is Sky News wakening up.Past COVID infection, as good as vaccines at preventing severe illness.While the research suggests that natural immunity could be just as good as vaccines are preventing serious illness from COVID-19 infection, the study's authors encourage people to still get vaccinated to avoid any complications from the initial infection.David, unpack this.
 
Yeah, well, you see, yeah, this is interesting, this one, Peter, because, what they're trying to say is that natural immunity is as good as anything that the vaccines give.That's what they're trying to say. But at the same time, still encourage people to take the vaccines because sky like the BBC, like all mainstream media are 100% in the pocket of the government one way or another. So that's why they're saying that. But you see, I've got an issue with, I've always got issues with these things. I've got an issue with this because I dispute the fact that natural immunity is the important thing. That's what we all have.[18:02] And it's a really good defence mechanism. But they're trying to suggest that, yeah, it's as good as anything the vaccines give you. No, it's much better because the vaccines don't give you any immunity. The vaccines weaken your immune system. They call all these adverse reactions we've just been chatting about. So even in a way, Peter, I can't accept this bit of it, where they're saying, oh, the two jabs isn't any better than having natural immunity.It's way worse. It's way worse because natural immunity, what you've got, what I've got, which a lot of people watching this will have, it's not going to give us myocarditis or Bell's palsy or cripple us or give us infertility issues. None of those things from natural immunity. But, if you take an experimental mRNA jab, then there's a very good chance you might get potentially some of those things. So, you know, yeah, again, I think it's all softness up. So natural immunity.I remember the conversations. Don't you, way back with Fauci and this one and the likes of Chris Whitty, when people did bring up the, you know, the whole thing about, well, you know, natural immunity is very strong and I remember them looking straight into the camera[19:15] and lying and say, no, no, no, no, no, the vaccines, the super duper vaccines are much better.They're, you know, and you look back in it now, and sometimes it's like we've lived through a complete nightmare. And we lived through it. And we were awake and throughout it, you know, and you look back at what they were those guys were saying, and now they're confounded by the very story you put up and that's sky running it, by the way, who were big shells for the jab.So yeah, ultimately it's just interesting to watch this, isn't it?
They are big shills. The weird thing is that it talks about the studies, their 65 surveys, but they said it was partially funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
I thought that was a weird comment to include in the story.[20:05] Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, is that Sky covering their backsides?Uncle Bill phones them up and says, what's this? What are you trying to put out?I don't know. It was strange.But I mean, again, it's just ultimately as we both believe and many people watching believe, truth will out and the truth is emerging all the time.And so, you know, all of a sudden, yeah, natural immunity. Oh, it's really quite good.And these vaccines, well, maybe they're not what we told you they were. Maybe they're not.And you give it six months and give it a year. And I just think this is just going to, you know, that's why they have to distract us, Peter.That's why I think with these kind of stories breaking, that's why you've got UFOs over the United States.That's where I, that's why I also think, you know, we have disappearing women near the riverbank in the United Kingdom. I think it's distraction politics.Don't look there, look over there.So they're losing, you know, Zelensky and Ukraine, they're absolutely losing to Russia.So let's not talk about that. And then the COVID truth is emerging, let's not talk about that.Well, no, let's do talk about that. And I'm not, you know, and forget their silly youthful stories, their silly spy balloons and also bizarre stories about missing women.
Right. They're not again the myths that just utterly bonkers that story and being the main story and it's random. It just, yeah.[21:33] But anyway, we're enough down the rabbit hole, so let's continue.
Yeah, yeah, we can go a lot further than that.
We'll go there. Northern Ireland.[21:46] That we are told that it's all going to come good here. GB News reporting Rishi Sunak is saying don't worry, that major announcement coming up.But you don't really buy this. Your comment was the betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons.
Yeah, of course it does.I don't believe any of that. No, no.So this is obviously with regard to the Northern Ireland protocol and the fact that the DUP, won't go back into government until essentially the border of the Irish sea is removed. And, we have Sunak and the EU in cahoots with each other. And I think he came over here, Peter, on Friday, Sunak, for a flying visit. And I think that was to try, I mean, all the pro-EU parties seem really happy about it. They're real happy about it. DUP, I think, with good[22:40] reason or asking a lot of sort of we'll have to wait to see all the details. I think what the, see my theory about all of this is that the British government and Boris Johnson, they left Northern Ireland in the single market and subject to the ECJ for a good reason and that was that by leaving, a part of the UK in those areas that that created friction. How do you solve that friction? Well, if the rest of the UK was to be closer linked to the single market and closer linked to the ECJ, then there wouldn't be a problem at all. And I do think that's the end game. I don't know, they're not going to get to it, but that's where they want to get this one. So I reckon I've been here before so often in matters Northern Ireland, they play this game, you know, will there be a deal? Won't there be a deal? Oh, it's one minute to midnight. Oh, you know, all this stuff, all it's all theatre, it's all sort of media hype. And they'll come out with something and they'll try and bounce the DUP in it if they can. And I would hope, and I've spoken to DUP friends and said to them, you know, I think you should stick to what you've said all along. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. We shouldn't be treated any differently, no better, but no worse. We shouldn't have borders between us and the rest of our, you know, our fellow British citizens. And so if Sunak[24:06] can't respect that, then we should with all due respect tell the Prime Minister to go and do one because we're not interested. And it looks like there is some Brexiteer resistance within the, Conservative Party still that is similarly inclined to that mindset. So in other words, you know, Prime Minister, treat this part of the UK like everywhere else. Don't try and do[24:28] You know, sort of dodgy deals with the European Union. But yet I think he will try and do a dodgy deal with the European Union.[24:36] Well, what are your thoughts, because obviously following Northern Ireland politics, being, Northern Irish, but watching it from afar over here in London, Jeffrey Donaldson seems to be someone who is invisible. I mean, Arlene Foster was always out there on the media. And my perception is the DUP are completely silent, that they may be very vocal in Northern Ireland, but actually the message doesn't seem to be getting out there. Is that a fair assessment?[25:11] Well, they've got no media friends, you see, that's the problem. So if you take to the local media, the Northern Irish media, I mean, the only time the DUP has come on is to be beaten up.I have sympathies for the DUP. Like for example, like last, I mean here's a small example of the, utter cynicism of the media and the politicians towards the DUP. So they tried to push through a law called Dáithí's Law last week, Dáithí's Law, named after a little six-year-old boy who needed organ transplant. And this law would basically, if it was enabled in Northern Ireland, mean that[25:52] just like the rest of the UK, you would be automatically, the government would have first dabs to your body if you die. At the moment, we've got the much better position where we're naturally opted out, we have to opt in. So that's how it should be. Because there's no way the government should be able to claim that, which it does in England, Scotland and Wales. So that's a position. And what this law would do is bring us in line with the rest of the UK. And of course, it plays on the heartstrings, little boys, you know, they're going to die if they don't get the organ transplant. And the only way that can happen is if the DUP go back into the assembly, appoint a speaker and then enact the law. So to be fair to the DUP, they stood against that bit of emotional blackmail this week. So although Peter they're silent in media terms,[26:46] there's a relative strength still there. And I think electorally, they don't fear an election, unlike the conservatives. So there's good reason for them, hopefully not to cave. But like all political parties, you know this from yourself, there's a spectrum of opinion within each party.So there'll be some people in the DUP saying, well, maybe if it's not too bad a deal, we should go that way. But I think the fear of them then being seen to have compromised and sold out would mean that they'd be punished in the May council elections.So I think the DUP will probably dismiss whatever it is Rishi Sunak and the European Union have, plans. But it does tell you plenty that Sunak's in league with the EU.What more can I say?
 
You mentioned the story and I read that story and how it came across to me over here was that because an agreement has not been reached, obviously no one can get any transplants anymore, so the whole health system must have stopped. And that's how you get all these people dying because they can't get any transplants. So now you've explained, actually I completely understand.[28:00] What the truth is, but it shows how the media spin it.
Well, it absolutely does. I mean, this is the same media that was spinning because of the energy hikes and the government brought out £600 payments to help alleviate.People were saying, oh, unless the assemblies, Northern Ireland Stormont Assembly is put, back in place, no one's going to get anything. We got it all before anyone else in the UK.This is why I'm a great advocate for not having government. I've learned that by not having a functioning government here, things get done better and faster and without the same sort of political grandstanding and all the rest of it. So my sincere hope is that the the assembly is not restored and we continue in Limbo.It's great.[28:44] Now one politician you do like, we all like and miss is this man here, Mr. Donald Trump.This was a, I hadn't actually seen the statement until I saw it on your Twitter page and it, is beautiful.Let me just read this is the statement on, I was going to say the death of Nicola Sturgeon, resignation of Nicola Sturgeon. And Trump says, good riddance to failed, woke, extremist, Nicola Sturgeon of Scotland. This crazed leftist symbol. Oh, it is absolutely beautiful. And this is what we are missing. Trump actually causing chaos in the White House.
It's superb. It was the best bet. The whole thing about her resignation. This was the best. But this is the language, this is what makes people love Trump, I think. It certainly makes us love Trump because he absolutely didn't hold back at all. And he mentions, I mean, he's aware of the gender recognition reform, but he's aware of all of that stuff.I thought it was brilliant, Peter. Beautiful, as you say. Absolutely fantastic. And you compare that actually how Trump responded to her resignation to how Rishi Sunak responded saying, Oh, we would like to thank her for her service, blah, blah, blah.[30:09] I thought, you know, there was Trump. I mean, the only thing is he did bring up his golf course.I mean, he can't help these things, can he?Leave your golf, leave your golf course out of it.[30:19] I appreciate probably the SNP weren't helpful to him, but please.There's a difference. But it was otherwise 100 percent brilliant.And that's what we we missed. Those mean tweets. It's about time Donald Trump got himself onto Twitter, because if he's going to get elected, he needs that audience.
I agree. He needs to be everywhere as you and I are. So moving on to continuing the politics line, a piece of good news.And I think last week when I had Lewis Brackpool on, I think we just touched on this, mentioned this because it had just come out, but it's all come out now.And this is, you've interviewed her before David. Catholic woman prosecuted for silently praying outside abortion clinic is cleared after arrest by police sparked fury among supporters who condemned thought crime.It's also very good news, but it doesn't really clear up what actually are people's rights or not.But tell us about this because you've spoken to her, you've had Victoria or Isabel on.
 
Isabel, yeah, yeah.I had Isabel on for a chat there. The thing is, the background is pretty obvious.Was arrested for praying in the vicinity of an abortion clinic, silently.[31:40] And the very fact that that can happen in the UK should cause everyone great concern, you know.And when I spoke with Isabel, I mean, she knew that she was going to be taken to court this month, and they've dropped the case.Because they obviously decided on the balance of evidence that they probably couldn't get her on it.But I'm relieved about that because although having said that, as I did say to her at the time, When she was interviewed by the police and the policeman said to her, are you praying?Do you remember that? And she said, I might be.I might be. And on the basis of her saying, I might be, that's when the arrest was made.Now that's probably illegitimate.Had she said, yes, I was praying, then on the basis of the restriction order, because restriction order does actually say you're not allowed to do anything that could be perceived.So listen, it's a good news story. Let's not take it. I'm so happy for Isabel. I'm sure it's a lot of relief from her. But these kind of orders that they are definitely experimenting with, and maybe this one, they didn't get this one away, but there'll be somebody else and it'll be someone, innocuous, someone like Isabel who's a really decent person, a prayerful person, someone who,[33:04] you know, you couldn't fault the thing that she said. When I did the stream with her, I mean, the response from my viewers, Peter, was universally, this is such a courageous, brave, lady, but why is she being, why is she being, why was she arrested and why is she being prosecuted?And a lot of people outside the UK can't believe that it could happen, but it did. And we need to make sure that, you know, things like this don't reoccur. But ultimately, I'm happy that it's a good result for Isabel. But I hope other people could do it. Like if someone wanted to go and do pray outside an abortion clinic tomorrow, what would happen? And I guess, you know, I don't know.[33:43] It all points back to the politicization of her place and how the police operate in the country.And I think that's a big problem still.
 
No, it is, it is. And of course all this happening under conservative government, as I do always like to point out, so much for that. And this is, again, this isn't a story about, pro-life or pro-choice, it's a story about freedom of speech and the right to stand on a corner and to pray. So it is about those fundamental freedoms and it's not necessarily about the whole abortion debate.[34:17] It's really exactly, it's not about the abortion debate at all really. I mean if people want to have a silent prayer in the vicinity of, and we talked about this at the time, it's such an, incredibly stupid law. I can't believe that they conceived of this and that councils and whatnot are using it to create these situations around different places, you know. But yeah, it's just and saying, I mean, you mentioned the fact that it's happening under a conservative, government. No, it's not because this isn't a conservative government. These bunch of imposters in the conservative party, almost unilaterally, not maybe all of them, but almost unilaterally, are fake conservatives. I mean, they haven't conservative bone in their body.They don't care about free speech. They don't care about all the things which I reckon that all the patriotic people who would have in times gone by, sort of, were the Conservative Party, believing. They don't care about any of those things. It's all about power, it's all about[35:20] control, it's all about stamping down on free speech. And, you know, so, yeah, so they're not, I just wanted to correct you, they're not really conservatives, they're imposter conservatives.
Conservative in name only.
 
In name only. Cheetos, yeah. Cheetos Peter, yeah.
So let's go, you touched on the balloon UFOs, let's touch because there have been new revelations David.And the new revelation is, according to The Sun, that the Chinese spy balloon shot over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.I mean this just changes the whole story.
 
I know, it's clown world.It's absolute clown world. I think with the release of the Epstein papers, which we've now seen all the details on, I, think having narratives like this, which did dominate the media, I mean, it was amazing.And then here we go, Peter, as you say, you've got it up on the screen there.It may have belonged to the US amateur ballooning group. So you know, what he sent up, what was it?[36:24] I can't remember what the aircraft was.
 
It was an F-22 they sent up,a very expensive trip, a very expensive trip actually.To shoot down a 32-inch balloon.So just a small balloon.[36:40] Yeah, as I pointed out, the real balloon problem is in the White House.It's not up in the 40,000 feet or whatever these balloons were.But yeah, you had all this madness going on in the past week or so, and all these objects being shot down, as you say, at extreme expense.And the White House even initially saying, well, we don't know about the balloons.We don't know where these objects, where they come from.ET phone home. And so they were almost going with the, it could be extra-terrestrial story.And then because that was so ludicrous, then they started to back away from that.And then it was China, China, China. But actually, Peter, what's interesting is back in 2017, 2018, the US was boasting about the fact that it was trialling,[37:30] I don't understand this balloons. I mean, are we going back in time?I mean, do you know what I mean? We got satellites. What do we want balloons for?They were doing balloons as well. So, I mean, it doesn't surprise me that this could be a US balloon.[37:46] I don't know why the Chinese would be wanting to use that kind of tech. But then other people have said, oh, the one that was shot down over the Atlantic, you know, when it got the one that was spotted over Montana by a farmer, how come Norad or how come no US intelligence services were able to tell us about it, but a farmer was able to spot it and make its way all across the, states before being shot down. Some people have said, well, it actually had anti-gravity.I mean, what do you believe? It could go to Mach 5 and have anti-gravity. And I'm thinking, well, if it could do that, how come they shot it down? So I don't know. Look, anything coming out, of the white house, your best advice is just don't believe it.[38:35] I mean, Mach 5, that would be what, three and a half thousand miles an hour. That's the fastest balloon. I don't know if balloons can travel three and a half thousand miles an hour.[38:46] Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you that Phileas Fogg would be envious. He'd be around the world in 80 minutes, never mind 80 days if he was doing that kind of speed. But we still don't really know exactly what went on other than its distraction politics and that's honestly what I really think this whole story was about. It was so bizarre the media all jumped on it Peter as you know over here Rishi Sunak declared that oh yeah there's any of those balloons over the UK I'll not hesitate to send up the, well whatever we've got left of the RAF to shoot them down so I mean your guess is as good as mine what it actually was. But it definitely was a distraction.[39:33] It was. If this was a 32 inch balloon, hobbyist balloon, then it was not the massive thing.But I'll just give you a... So an F-22 being a plane buff, the F-22 Rapture, it actually is around $85,000 per hour to fly it. So that's all it costs. It's a very expensive trip to shut down a hobbyist balloon.That's the first.But I saw a CNN story and the CNN story was they had secretly got into China and secretly gone to somewhere 300 miles away from Beijing to a secret air base and it was making these, balloons and there were all these big...This was a massive investigation by CNN.What? Yeah, it doesn't add up.
 
Yeah, listen, that's why nobody watches CNN.CNN is a stealth news channel.It doesn't actually have any viewers.It puts out this garbage, probably again to try and prop up the White House fantasy about this here.[40:46] Honestly, I would have thought that China has the technology if it wants to spy.I mean, look, for goodness sake, how many Americans have got TikTok on their phone?If you want to spy, if that's your thing, and I'm sure the Chinese do it, but I'm sure the Americans do it too.If they want to spy, you can do it through a mobile phone. You don't need to put balloons, but I do find the balloon just on the tech side of things.So we're going back. I mean, what next? Pigeons, are we gonna have spy pigeons, that have little cameras attached to them and they've been trained to fly over US military bases, shoot down the pigeons, spot the pigeon, those of a certain age will remember that.Wonderful cartoons, spot the pigeon. So yeah, it's all mad, it's insanity.Again, that's the times in which we live.
 
Don't give Biden any ideas. He'll be releasing the pigeons.[41:37] This is a story which actually is about two and a half weeks old, but you read posts and I think it's, I don't know if I covered it, so it's good to highlight what is happening. And there's a bit and I didn't realize. And this is log burner rule change in England, could land users with £300 fine. And actually you scroll down and it says that households in England, you're safe over there in Northern Ireland, you can emit your five grams of smoke per hour. But households in England could face fines up to £300 and even criminal records. So, a criminal record. So you've got all these illegal immigrants coming in, you've got all the grooming gangs, and yet the focus from the government is that you can't emit more than three grams of smoke per hour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how much hot air does the government emit per hour? This is ridiculous.English people have been burning wood, Peter, since time immemorial. I mean, and these wooden, these burners like that in the picture there that you've got above there in the story.I mean, lots of people have got these. My sister has these in, one of these in her house. And[42:59] people, if anything, were actually encouraged to get these. And now, as you say, you could end up, with a criminal record because you're burning logs in your home to keep warm. And of course, I wonder is this because they want to squeeze us in energy so you can't afford your gas if you're using gas or if you're using oil, you can't afford your oil. So what we're going to do is we're going to just corner off the wood. Don't think you'll go into the forest and forage wood and then use that no no no because we're going to be tracking your smoke emissions and if, they're above X amount as you say then that's a fine. We'll empower the local council to you know to have a never mind a traffic warden, a smoke warden, someone who will go around checking for you know tell-tale signs, coming from your chimney or whatever and yeah slap you with a fine and maybe you could end up with a criminal record because you want to stay warm?[44:01] Are you kidding me?But anyway, yeah, I thought that was, you know, it's another one of these ones, it's England, so it's not here for me.But undoubtedly, you know, when these lunatics get these ideas, they spread out like 15 minute cities.Same idea.
Yeah, there was another one on Net Zero and I didn't include although I meant to, which was a post you put up about the cost of breakfasts and talked about a cost of 22% and anyone who goes to buy butter or eggs or milk knows the crazy cost.And I guess we're told that's how we're winning this war. how we're beating Russia by actually meaning we can no longer afford to buy food,butter literally has doubled in the last year as of eggs.And it just, again, I don't think it's us that are winning.Talking to Callum on Thursday and he's just back from his Russia trip.So it seems a Russia winning and not us.Yeah, take that Putin. doubling our inflation, we're going to make it impossible to have, as you say, eggs and[45:11] butter and milk and all these staple foods. And this is why you see that my argument in this as well is that the inflation figures that they play around with are so deceptive. Ordinary people know that[45:26] If they go to, yeah, look, you go to the supermarket, you do your grocery shop, that's when you know what real inflation is.And there you have Peter, you've put it up on the screen, I can see, you know, all these things.Look at the double digit inflation way, way up, 20 plus percent and above.And that's all inflicted on British families by the government's insane sanctions against Putin, which have had this kind of blowback. And we're paying it. And Callum's right. I just put out Russian exports have gone up. Russian imports have gone down. Their economy is much more balanced.[46:11] Specifically Europe, Western Europe, it's committing economic hari-kari to, well, not really to teach Putin a lesson because Putin's happy, I would have thought he sees the state that we're all in. But I feel bad for people who, you know, on fixed income, say pensioners, who have to go to the supermarket. And you mentioned butter there. Like, where are they going to find all that extra money from? Not from their pensions. So where?Well, they don't. So what they do is they scrape and save and they try and make do with less. And that's where my anger against the government comes from. I think of the people, disadvantaged people, the people on fixed incomes, the elderly people, and they live in the real world. You go to the supermarket, Peter, like you have to get your food. And at the same time, they're being hit by huge heating bills. And this is all to teach Putin a lesson. I mean, the only lesson is we should never have gone along with sanctions against Russia. Absolute stupidity but then there's a globalist agenda in place there as we all know.[47:18] But we're all suffering, but of course I'm so glad that Rishi Sunak doesn't have to suffer because I'm sure he doesn't worry if bread's gone up from 80p to £1.50.I'm sure it doesn't really take a dent in his budget.
Well if you're married to a billionairess, it probably is something you're going to be able to cope with, you know. But yeah, exactly. I mean, this shows you the detachment of[47:41] a lot of the politicians from ordinary working families, or indeed retired families, either which way. It shows you that they cannot appreciate what must be going through many ordinary people's, household budgets. Like how the hell do we cope with this? How do I feed my kids? How do I do this, that and the other? Because as you showed there, Peter, those are real price increases. So whenever, the BBC tells us, oh, good news, the ONS said inflation is down to 10.1%. Do me a favour.No, we're not buying that. That's another thing we're not buying. We know that on things that really matter to people like food, it's double digit all the way up 20, 30%. And that's not likely to go down anytime soon. Because remember, energy costs and food manufacturing is a big, element of the final bill. So that's why businesses reflect a lot of this in the end price. They have to or they go bust. And they're not being given the level of subsidy, by the way, that they need.So I just think this will stay here for a good bit of, you know, maybe the rest of this year.[48:48] Well, it's good that there wasn't a fixed income. Maybe pensioners will be helping the war by dying of hunger or will die by freezing. That all helps Rishi Sunak. Yeah. The rest of them.
It's very noble of them. Yeah. A sacrifice which Rishi wants them to do.
 
So, onto the NHS.A friend of mine actually didn't, we talked and he was going to go and see the doctor and didn't go because of his concern that he would be forced to have a jab.And if you're maybe older or less mobile, that is a concern.But this is the other concern that you go and this thing appears in front of you.Now that is some mug shot.Oh, that is some mugshot. And this is John Harrell Trans NHS.Just wanted to say how lovely all my colleagues have been in treating me just as one of the, girls. These people used to get help.[49:47] They did and they still need help, but they're not getting it. Instead they're being indulged.I mean, look at this. Just read the rest of that out for everyone there, Peter.
So in treating me just one of the girls in my new NHS post, interesting time with one young female patient who wanted to be treated by a female and I felt I need to explain I was a trans female. She's just said, that is fine. You're female. And he wanted a female nurse to treat me.
Yeah, things that never happened. Does anyone actually believe that? If I was in an NHS bed and something like that came towards me, honestly, I would be right out of that bed, out of that ward and away down the road. There's no way. But yeah, I mean, NHS trans nurse.And by the way, she says to that, she's got a new NHS post. So this is our wonderful NHS in action, putting people who I would say have got some form of, at least I'll be polite, cognitive dissonance, to put it politely, or mental issues in some regards, it shouldn't be[50:59] treating people, Peter. They should be being treated, I think. But hey, what can you say?That's the NHS. It's good to know what the NHS priorities are, trans nurses. Well worth your taxes.
 
But David, it is good that you obviously commented if that...thing came along then suddenly it feels much better. Actually it does help with the healing process.
It does, it picks it up. Honestly if I was a death door and I seen that angel of death coming towards me I would be gone. So as you say, maybe it's a miracle cure they're going to introduce one of those in every NHS ward and watch those bed occupancy rates go down through the floor as, As everyone legs it.[51:45] David, let's just want to face off for the clip you put up. And the weird thing, this is this is the really weird thing.[51:54] I was looking at this this afternoon and I thought, did I look at this because David tweeted it?I know because you tweeted three hours ago.So I was looking at it completely differently, having a little chuckle.And that is a Monty Python sketch. Oh, yeah. I just thought I would play it as we finish because it is good to end on humour.I'm a little bit confused why I was looking at that as you were as well separately.[52:24] So let's just play this. I think there's a longer for this is just one minute.I'll play this in 60 seconds. But I'll play this.[52:36] Give me a moment.[52:39] I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.
What?[52:46] It's my right as a man.
Well, why'd you want to be Loretta, Stan?[52:53] I want to have babies.
You want to have babies?It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.But you can't have babies.
Don't you oppress me.I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb.[53:07] Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?[53:14] Here, I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans.[53:23] But that he can have the right to have babies.[53:26] Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.Sister, sorry.
What's the point?[53:34] What?
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?[53:41] It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality. Great line.
Yeah, yeah. We're not going to top that one, Peter. That is the first line.[53:58] No. Yeah, but yeah, that came up on my TikTok, actually. That's where I saw that one.Because I like comedy stuff too, you know.And wasn't that prophetic though? the Pythons did that. So that's from obviously the life of Brian, which came out in 1981, or maybe 79.79, yeah. Yeah, 79. And I remember going to see that movie way back then, you know, as a child.And it was really, you know, it was really funny and people thought, well, you would never actually have conversations like that. And then 2023, you talked about the trans nurse, you know, and you realize that we are living in a post-Monty Python world whereby the surreal is now being made. We have to believe that it's real. But the payoff from John Cleese is excellent. It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
 
Let me put just some comment at the end on GETTR, Tommy AU, you, Canadian mom 1997, Huckle3229 Hisalways Vicky and more. Thank you for tuning in David.Thank you for joining us as always.
No, my absolute pleasure. I was having a good laugh. I do think Peter in times of darkness,[55:19] and you know, pressures in all kinds of ways, it's healthy for us to all to laugh, to laugh at the oppressors, to laugh at the tyrants, to laugh at all of this madness. I think it keeps us sane. So I think this has been good for my mental health as well. So thank you for the opportunity and thanks for all the viewers. I recognise a lot of those names. Thank you folks for being here with, Peter as well. I make sure you support Peter by and also make sure you see me on Monday night in in my study at 8 p.m.When we're gonna be talking actually, Peter, with a lovely lady that you and I both met three weeks ago, Charlotte.
 
Ah, Charlotte, yes.
 
Because in Countess of Burnley she...[56:05] Baroness of Burnley.
 
Baroness of Burnley, yeah. Yeah, Charlotte's coming on for an hour of giggles on Monday night, so we'll keep the humour motif going I think for as long as we can.
 
She's good fun.The viewers will enjoy it. So you can watch either, you can watch that live and then flick over to Hearts of Oak or vice versa, whichever you so wish.So everything is there. But David, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Peter.
 
And thank you to all our viewers.Or if you're downloading this listening on the go as a podcast on Podbean or any of the podcasting apps.Thank you so much for listening. And we'll be back with you on Monday with John Waters looking at what's happening in Ireland with the immigration invasion, which one in four hotels are now booked up by immigrants.So it's lovely hospitality has now gone out of control and destroying the country.So tune in for that on Monday.
Do you know Peter, Peter, just popping in. I was down in Dublin myself just about a week ago.
And did you get a free hotel as well?
Well, I was going to say, I was trying, there's a couple of what I would call business hotels where people meet up for coffees and have a chat.[57:22] They're all closed. They are closed and they're only open. They're, they're, they're for essentially, um, well, yeah, the, uh, the immigrants.So it's amazing what's happening. So that should be a great chat with John on Monday night.Look forward to that.
And then Charlotte with David also on Monday. So I wish you, our viewers, listeners, wonderful rest of your Saturday.Good weekend. And we'll see you on Monday.