Hearts of Oak Podcast

Bob McEwen - Is There a Way Back From the Democrat Demolition of America?

We are currently witnessing a huge tension in the Republican party. MAGA, and before that its predecessor, the Tea Party, are challenging the establishment wing of the party. All of this at a time when the next Presidential election should be a shoe in for the Republican candidate against a weak and doddery Biden, but have the Democrats gone too far in their destruction of the American Dream? Is there a way back using policy and the political system? Bob McEwen, who served five terms as a Congressman and is the Executive Director of Council for National Policy shares his insights on all this and more.Bob McEwen is Senior Advisor with the nationally recognized law firm of Greenebaum, Doll & McDonald. As such he maintains offices in Cincinnati and Washington, DC. An Ohio native, Bob McEwen represented Ohio in the United States House of Representatives for six terms. Prior to his Congressional service, he operated a successful Ohio Real Estate and Development firm as well as serving three terms in the Ohio General Assembly as the Senior Republican on the Financial Institutions and Insurance Committee.Rep. McEwen served as Chairman of the Environmental Affairs task force of the United States delegation to the European Parliament. McEwen was selected by the Democratic leadership of the U.S. Congress as the chief spokesman for the United States in discussions with European Green Party and other Environmental Organizations.In 2005, McEwen and two others, Members of Congress, hosted the third conference of Balkan Prime Ministers for the purpose of facilitating dialogue and reconciliation in that troubled region of the world.On August 23, 1989, Congressman McEwen and United States Senator Robert Dole participated as United States observers in Warsaw, Poland to the first ever Parliamentary election of a non-Communist leader of a Soviet bloc country. Hours later, the new Prime Minister, in his first official act, received the Congressman and Senator prior to meeting with the Soviet representatives of the regime that had occupied that nation for fifty years. This action was the spark that encouraged the collapse of Soviet dominated governments throughout Eastern Europe culminating in the destruction of the Berlin Wall ten weeks later. Senator Dole and Rep. McEwen met the following day with the President and U.S. National Security team in Kennebunkport, Maine to fashion the United States response and position in support of Warsaw Pact nations seeking to break away from Soviet domination.Representative McEwen served as an official United States observer in Moscow during both the 1991 Soviet Coup attempt and to the Kremlin in January of 1992 when the Soviet Union was dissolved.Mr. McEwen was elected by his colleagues to the two most coveted positions in the U. S. Congress; the Select Committee on Intelligence which oversees all of our nation’s secrets, and the powerful House Committee on Rules which has jurisdiction over all legislation in the Congress. As one of only four Republicans on the thirteen member Rules Committee, Mr. McEwen managed nearly one-third of all legislation on the House floor for the Republican side of the Congressional aisle.McEwen legislation approved by the Congress included the National Strategy Act that realigned the chain of command during times of hostilities, directly from the Theater Commander to the National Command Authority in Washington. Defense Secretary Dick Cheney and General Norman Schwarzkopf have credited this change with playing a major role in the success of Operation Desert Storm.He was selected by Administration and Congressional leaders to floor manage such critical national security legislation as the B-2 bomber authorization, the nuclear freeze debate, and to give the closing arguments before the vote to authorize military action by the United States in Desert Storm.Mr. McEwen has often been selected as negotiator to bring resolution to Senate/House conference committee impasses on dozens of pieces of legislation, particularly affecting Public Works, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and International Relations.Connect with Bob...WEBSITE: https://bobmcewen.com/TWITTER http://www.twitter.com/bobmcewen/FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-McEwen/211135982248187Council for National Policy...WEBSITE: https://cfnp.org/Interview recorded 15.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Bob McEwen.Bob McEwen is the executive director of Council for National Policy and I had the privilege of meeting him whenever I was over there stateside at their conference in February.He's also was elected five times as member of Congress for Ohio and anyone who has won five elections deserves to be listened to.So we discuss a whole range of issues. his time as congressman, what that was like, what it means to be a conservative and a Republican in the US, those have always been the same thing but seem to be separate in many ways and we discussed that separation.And then looking at the clash between, I guess, the establishment and a more conservative orientated group in the Republican Party, the Tea Party and now Trump, and what that means.With the Democrats being so reckless, is there a way back using policies and legislation?And then we end up, of course, with the upcoming elections. And I ask Bob for his thoughts on that and where we may be 18 months on during that.So I know you'll enjoy listening to Bob as much as I do speaking with him and giving his insight on all these range of policies.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have an individual who was elected to Congress at the age of 30 in 1980, won re-election five times there. And I've seen him described as a textbook Republican, opposed to abortion, gun control, high taxes, and as the Executive Director of Council for National Policy. Bob McEwen, it's wonderful to have you with us.
(Bob McEwen)
Peter, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much.
Not at all. And the website there, Council for National Policy, is on the screen. And Counter for National Policy stands for Limited Government, Traditional Values, and Strong Concerted Defence, which which is conservative values, which we all hold dear to.If I could be ask you about yourself, your time as a congressman, that nonstop, I guess, political campaign.We don't understand that in the UK, because we have every five years, where I know you did every two years.But maybe you can let us know what made you so successful? You won time and time again.Maybe just let us into what made you successful standing for Congress.
Well, you're exactly right. The United States, it's only 240 years ago, but that was a real transition into the idea that individuals would decide, set the course of their policy.We didn't have a template.We set up three tiers. We set up an individually elected leader or president, individually elected members of Congress accountable to no one else but the voters.We had a turnover every 24 months, the House of Representatives, everyone is up for re-election, And then we had an independent judiciary.That morphed into the parliamentary system, where most of the democracies of the world, when they choose a majority in the parliament, that's the person that then chooses the prime minister. So there's a coordination there.So it's really hard for people to fully grasp as to how is currently the situation.We have a Democrat president, independently elected. And yet the majority of the House of Representatives is Republican.We have a Republican speaker, and they're the ones that pass the laws.It creates for a dynamic tension, and it was designed for that purpose.The US Constitution was designed for one reason, one, only one, only one, that was to prevent tyranny, period, end of discussion.It wasn't there to be efficient. It wasn't to have a strong anything.It was there to prevent tyranny, so that even when Franklin Roosevelt could carry all but two states in an overwhelming landslide, and that he wanted to add members to the Supreme Court.He couldn't do it because the Congress stood. There's an independent tension there that prevents tyranny and that allowed freedom, and that's why this little 4% of the population of the world, more books, plays, symphonies, copyrights, inventions, and the rest of the other 96% combined.Not because those people are smarter or because they work harder.But because they're freer and the degree to which freedom accelerates is when prosperity accelerates, when you impose socialism and take away freedom you can make any place when I was young the richest city in the world was a place called Detroit Michigan and they elected some socialists that said we can put a stop to this and so currently Detroit Michigan is the poorest most corrupt city north of the Rio Grande in all of North America so it's the freedom that creates the wealth not the geography, it's the ideas. And our political system was designed for that purpose, that people would constantly have input, that the second a person thought they are entitled to it, they had to stand for re-election. So every January, a member of Congress either files for re-election or gets sworn into office, one or the other.
Well, I want to get more into US politics, but I saw that you're just back from Hungary, CPAC in Hungary. I was trying to go myself, and in the end, it didn't happen. But maybe you want to just touch on that, kind of that sets in the context our European audience before we move over to the US. But what was that like over in Hungary at CPAC?
Well, first of all, Peter, under the free enterprise system, the only way that I can achieve wealth, the only way that people can voluntarily reach in their pocket and hand money to me is if I do something for them that is greater, that is more beneficial than the money they have in their hand.And so we, we stay awake nights, dreaming up ways how to do something good for a person, such that they'll slam on their brakes and pull in and say, you're going to wash my car and clean the carpet and watch the windows and throughout the day. I'd much rather have that than have this $10 bill.I'd much rather have that parachute than $60.And so therefore, the freedom and creation comes from free people.So for the Soviet Union controlled two thirds of all the land mass on the planet, but they couldn't make a hairdryer, they couldn't make an automobile, they couldn't make a washing machine.They had to go steal from the ideas, so they made their airplanes look like the airplanes were created by the free people, and et cetera, et cetera.So in the idea of conservatism, that is to preserve and protect the freedom that allows for abundance. Now I said there are two ways to get money from a person.One of them is that I figure out ways to bless them, so they say, oh that, that, that, that app on my phone. Oh, I'd like to have for 99 cents, I can have that app.Well, the person that dreams that up, doesn't hope that a million people down and become a millionaire.So that's why over virtually all of the apps come from only free countries.The other ones have to steal because socialism does what?Socialism redistributes. Now that's a fancy term for stealing.So when you walk into a store and you grab things off the shelf, put them in your pocket and walk out, you are redistributing them.You redistribute them from the shelf of the owner into your pocket.Now, have you created any wealth?No, no. Have you redistributed? Yes, because the degree to which you benefit is the degree to which the other person is diminished.And under socialism, that's why they're always poor. And the more socialism that you have, the greater the poverty you have because you're stealing from the productive, therefore they're disincentivized to produce because they don't get the reward.And you reward people who didn't produce it, And why should they produce when they get it for free?And so you go into a country like Venezuela or Rhodesia or all these great abundant countries and you turn them into absolute hell holes because of a thing called socialism.Socialism and in the scriptures it was referred to as covetousness.Covetousness is when I wanna take something that someone else has.Stealing is when I actually take it. Covet is when I want to take it.And so the Ten Commandments that were put on the walls of all of our classrooms for all these years, it said we didn't have to have magnetometers because people didn't bring guns to work, because we said we shouldn't kill. And we didn't have to have locks on their bicycles because we said thou shalt not steal. But then we had the prosperity because number 10 is on every wall, thou shalt not covet. I don't want to win. So my wife, when we travel around, people often say, you know, I've been to America, I've been to America. And she would often ask them, What is the thing that startled you or surprised you or was the most surprising about America?The answer that comes back more than anything else is, well, in America, you don't have walls around your property. You don't know where your backyard stops and where the neighbour starts.Well, the reason for that is because we didn't covet. Now, when you go into Latin America, you not only have walls around everybody's property, you have cut glass over top of the property because you covet.In America, when you saw a beautiful home, you didn't say, I want to take that house.You would say, someday I want to have a home like that.Or a nice car. We were in one of the nicest countries in Central America.I was waiting to go to dinner with the attorney general.And we were standing outside, our wives went in to eat, and he just kept talking and talking, not going in the restaurant. I got frustrated. What's going on here, Wanegger?And finally, a person appeared, and he handed him some money, and we went in to eat.Well, what happened was he hired a personto watch his car while we were at the restaurant. Now that is a result of covetousness. Now when Moses was having a hard time, Jethro, his father-in-law, came to him and he said, you know, Moses, God and I've been talking here and we think you've got in over your head and you have to divide these people up into federal, state, and local government. You need to have thousands, hundreds, and tens. And Moses, here's three things you need to look for.Three things. That is, there's only two choices. Either man thinks he's God or he recognizes God. Number one is those that fear God. And I'll just tell you, you don't want to marry a person who thinks they're God. You don't want to go into business with a person who thinks they're God. And you don't want to elect a person who thinks they're God. I said Moses, those that fear God. Number two, lovers of truth. Okay, what does that mean? That means a free enterprise system in which you sign a contract and you keep your word. You look a guy in the eye and you shake your hand you honour it. If you're dishonest, if you're the Middle East, if you're much of Asia, if you're a place you have to have contracts that are six inches thick in order to go to the grocery store because that they're going to lie and cheat at every opportunity. He said therefore you want those people who fear God, lovers of truth, and, Moses, get this straight, haters of socialism.That is, if this guy's going to want what somebody else has, you don't want a person like that in power. He used the term covetousness in Exodus 18, 21. It says, fear God, lovers of truth, hating covetousness. And so the purpose of the conservative political action committee is to support conservative values, which respect private ownership, as opposed to socialism, which promises that, you know, if a thief comes and takes something, we say that that guy's bad, he's a thief. If he runs for office and he gets a mob to come and take it, that's called socialism.And so if you vote for me, you don't have to go in and steal your car insurance. I'll just, we'll just make the car insurance do it, etc. So the political action committee.The opportune conservatives get together periodically and all these folks and all all these various issues, encourage one another.And this most recent one was in Budapest.And that was an opportunity because the prime minister there is fighting the tides of socialism in Europe.And he welcomed us with opened arms. We were pleased and happy to be there.
I love Budapest. I've been there many, many times. It is a beautiful city and a country that strives for freedom looking after its own identity. But you mentioned socialism and I know you have travelled over to Eastern Europe before during the fall of communism and that's something which you've been passionate about, freedom for those in Eastern Europe and Russia. Tell us about those trips, why would an American go all the way over there to speak on freedom?
Well, it's the constant fight. There's a desire to control other people, and under free enterprise, you can be honoured by inventing something, or creating something, or writing something, or building something.That's why in free countries, we honour those people.Under socialist countries, the only way that you get power is that you take it.When you do that, you have to control people. For example, in the Baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, periodically, they would go through and they would just take the largest farmers, people that were successful, and they would ship them off to Siberia, or they would disappear in one way or another.There's this constant lack of freedom. That is that you're at the mercy of what the state decides to do.That's a horrible thing, and that's a fight that is there all the time.We are experiencing right now at this moment, and it ebbs and flows, in the 1930s, it swept almost completely encompassed Europe, as you know, the National Socialist Party went all the way from the Atlantic Ocean, all the way to the Soviet border.It took Americans and Canadians and Brits and Australians landing at Normandy to begin to punch that back.Now we have this competition, always, as Anne Rand says, that you can vote socialism in, but you have to fight, shoot your way out.And so what we see is this constant effort to have, when people get their choice, when they have a freedom, they have the opportunity.They always choose freedom.But that's why totalitarians, and we are sympathetic to them, we have come through a time of the last 40 years of tremendous, tremendous explosion of growth and prosperity.And now we see it trying again. They always have a new idea.Sometimes it was racism. Other times it was religion.And now it's environment. And so the reason that I have to tell you what kind of house to live in, and how far you can travel and what kind of car you can drive and what kind of is is not because I'm a communist and you're not or because I'm a Nazi and you're not it's because I'm an environmentalist and you must do what I say. There's always an excuse for why people want to control other people and that gets back to a concept spiritual as to whether or not people should be allowed to do that and that's why when you abandon God, the God part then it's just a a matter of the most powerful against the weakest. When you do the God part, that is that every person has a unique skill and talent and creation because of Almighty God, that makes it such that you do not have a right as a group to come in and tell people what to do. So that's why Moses was correct when he had God first, then the freedom of the political system, and then the economic system of not coveting.
Absolutely, a relationship with God gives everyone value an equal purpose and merit and gives that responsibility.
And Peter, without God, people will literally tell you that the rocks and stones and the weeds are more important. The bugs take priority. Now, you only do that, if you tell me that, see, if you tell me every, the fork in the road, the fork in the road for every political decision comes from this question. If you believe that man created God.Or you believe that God created man.And when I sit there and listen to you tell me how I should eat bugs because you think I should, because you don't want me to produce the oil, the gas that's there in abundance, then I can also tell you where you stand on God.You think that you're God. You do not believe in God. You believe that you're the supreme and you're going to dictate to other people.So our freedom is dependent upon that. And I love the libertarians, they're wonderful people, but they think that it's innate in people to do what's right.History has shown us that that's not correct, that there is a godly standard that we must abide by. As you do that, there's abundance and peace and prosperity.The degree to which you abandon it is which you have death, destruction, and poverty.
With that clash we are now seeing, what does it mean to be a conservative, and I guess a Republican, in the US?Is it different now than during your time in Congress?Well, I probably, and that's a very good question. I haven't given it that much thought and so as I as I analyse it I tend to think not, There's always this desire for people to control other folks. Yeah, this socialist is national socialism It's this Union of Socialist Republics and the USSR and if see the same thing in China There's always this idea that I'm going to control what you can see and what you and if you don't agree with me then I'll shut you off, I'll burn your books.Only the left burns books.Only the left, you know, we don't fear. And let me just explain why that is, Peter.If you and I are in, if I walk into the room where you are, and I say that room is 25 feet wide, and somebody else says, I think it's 20, I think it's, another guy says, I think it's 30, I think it's 29, we can all sit there and we say, oh, isn't that wonderful?We can all debate it, and we can write white papers, and we can sit around the faculty lounge and talk about it, and everybody's content until someone comes in and measures it. And when they measure it, here's what the measurement does. The measurement is the truth and it reveals error. So a person comes in and measures it and find out it's only 18 feet wide. That means that everybody in the room knows what I said was wrong. And here's the person that said it was 25, the person said it was 30, the person said it was 32. They all hate the person who said it was 18, because that's truth. Error hates truth. Now, conservatives don't fear.We have the truth, so therefore we can let a thousand liberal speakers come and speak. We don't care, but they can't let one. They can't let one conservative get up and speak, because the truth will reveal the error.Let me just hit it again. Let's suppose that you're prosecuting a fellow for stealing an automatic teller machine out of the bank drive-in.And so you're in the court and the defence counsel says, why, he wouldn't do such a thing, why he loves his mother and he was off having dinner with his sister and here's the receipts from the restaurant.You don't care what she says because when you're finished, you're going to show the security camera of him driving his pickup up to the ATM. You see him put the chain around the ATM.You see his face on the camera as you lean over the camera and the fingerprints and the truth will overcome the error such that, here's the point, the only way they can succeed is to prevent the presentation of truth. Your Honour, I object. Your Honour, I object. I object because the truth will overcome the error. That's why they have to shout. That's why they have to burn books. That's why they have to cancel people. That's why they have to deny them access to TikTok.That's why they have to tell that Donald Trump can't speak on television. Because the truth overcomes the error. Therefore, they have to band together. And in the course of this, has that changed? It's always been that way, but I'm increasingly optimistic that people are beginning to see it. And the thing is that truth always wins, because the whack-a-mole, you just can't whack it enough times. And you might succeed for a while. And, you know, Adolf could have his book burning sessions all across Europe, but eventually it comes through.And then he had the Soviet Union, but eventually with technology, people could see the truth.And so now, what the Chinese have done is they've begun to infiltrate the various communication systems so that they can shut off people from Twitter and they can shut off people from Facebook but they constantly have to go down and shut down truth because truth overcomes error. We and conservatives, we do not fear that. You say anything you want to say because when you're finished work, all you have to say is, here's the measurement, it's 18 feet, here it is.And truth eventually wins, and that's why I'm optimistic about the future.But I repeat, there's always and always will be a battle.Well, on truth, it's a question that's been in my mind over the last three years.What is truth? When Pilate asked Jesus.I think traditionally, if you look back in history, generations have been able to understand that and answer that.And we now live in a society where actually people don't know what truth is. Truth is subjective, it's no longer objective. How does it, and we are having the same battle in the UK, in Europe, as I know you're having in the US on that. Where does the conservative movement, the Republican Party, how does it fit into that confusion and chaos, I guess, of what is truth, what is right and wrong.
And that is the question of the age, that absolutely it is, and that's why God told Moses, the first thing is settle that, because there's only two definitions of truth.One is what I think is true, and the other is what God says is true.Those are the only two options.And so those that don't want to do what God says, then they talk about my truth.And my truth says that a man is a woman.And the absurdity of that is naturally overwhelming, such that in the first chapter of Romans, when they folks went after, they set themselves up as God, and they said, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And so Paul said, no, we need to get back to God. We need, there has to be a standard. So I am privileged to be a part of the Turning Point USA, and Charlie Kirk went around to these college campuses where these indoctrination things were going on from all the professors, and he would just set up a card table and share truth.And of course, that's very distressing because truth overcomes error. And so as people began to see the truth, and they began to read and discuss and talk about the fact that socialism has never worked. And if socialism worked, by now it would have found a spot where it did.And so when they can see it doesn't work. The next thing, Peter, here's the interesting thing.When they began to think with truth economically, then they began to think truth politically, and then they began to ask questions spiritually, because it's a value system.It's a God made us and we have rights, and all of those things are anathema to socialism.And so now, all across America, and now starting around the world, in high schools elsewhere, are starting these Turning Point USA faith, because there were so many young people asking about these spiritual, that the woke churches, the woke effort had gotten into the pulpits by saying that we don't want to offend anyone.Well, you know, if Jesus Christ could have gone around without offending a person, he probably would have tried it.The idea that truth offends, it's not the person that offends, truth.And evil will be offended by truth.And so what we've seen is that there is this great uprising of folks that it begins to follow across the board, of a worldview, and it gets back to that first one, Either I'm God.Or he's God. And every one of us face that decision at some time in our lifetime.I love being at Counter for National Policy in February and listening to the conversation, I think with James Lindsay and Charlie Kirk. That was a phenomenal insight. But tell us, because Counter for National Policy is maybe a more traditional conservative group. You've got Turning Point and what they're doing with American Fest, and I watched at their conference in December or targeting or going after the younger vote, the younger group.It's interesting to see those alliances, because it's not either or.It's groups working with certain areas of society, others working with others.Tell us about that kind of connection, because as I said, I was blown away by that conversation with Charlie and James.Well, what happened was that the conservative movement in America was successful once in 1964 in nominating a nominee for president, and then it was overwhelmingly stomped.The Republican leadership said, I cannot support this person, and so Barry Goldwater was tremendously defeated.When Ronald Reagan made another attempt, then they felt that they were going to try to do the same thing.That is, the liberals of both parties would team up to prevent him from restoring, because he was anti-communist. And deep down inside, the communists had penetrated most of these folks, just as you see the Chinese penetrating Africa and elsewhere.And so in the beginning of the first year of the Reagan administration, a handful of folks got together to help get him to get elected and said, what we need to do is you don't have to change what you're doing if you're a national defence group, or if you're an agriculture group, or if you're a pro-life group, or if you're an education group.But periodically we should get together and say what can we agree upon.And they formed a group called the Council for National Policy, and it meets three times a year.I emphasize that one of the things that gets people's attention is that we don't do anything.But it's like the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce doesn't sell shoes, and doesn't sell cars, and doesn't sell houses, but it has people that do. That's what CMP does.It has people that do everything, even though CMP does nothing. What we do is we bring people together to encourage one another and what happens when, for example, the CRT, the critical race theory, there were many people that didn't realize that that was rather significant. I thought that was just a left-wing racist policy in college campuses. And when we began to probe deeper, we found out that they had penetrated the seminaries of most of the major religions and to begin to teach, to supplant the scriptures with race in many of our pulpits, and then the educational books as well, and across the board in the military, until now we have a head of the U.S.Military that says the number one threat to America is not the the Chinese threat and the nuclear threat, the number one threat is white nationalism. Now you would think how in the world, you could ask any kid on the street corner watching the guns shooting, what's the number one threat?Number one. Nevertheless, CMP was able to bring that to the fore to say, see how CRT has aggressed.Now we have the same thing with the government and environment, ESG society, where they're trying to give ratings to corporations who fit their global agenda.Of course, the global agenda is not slavery. They don't say that.That's rather people would be repulsed at that.They say climate, and everybody's in favour of climate. Therefore, if you do these ESG, if you do these certain things, if you spend money with, communist groups in China and oppose freedom folks in Hungary or the US, then you get this higher rate and ostensibly, it's because it had to do with the environment.That's where CMP brings people together for the educational purposes.Why? Because truth overcomes error. We let everybody present, but we see that truth wins and that's what we're up to at the moment and delighted about it.I love bumping into so many of my guests who I'd seen virtually. And then I met in the flesh, in the person. So that was one of my highlights coming away from CNP. But maybe I'll ask you about the kind of tension in the Republican Party with the clash of, I guess, a more establishment grouping and a more conservative-oriented grouping, which is the Tea Party and now Trump.In the UK, we don't really have that. We have the so-called Conservative Party resting on old laurels.We don't really have that agitator making them think of what actually it is to be conservative, but you have that in the US.Maybe let us know a little bit more about that, because it's always good to be reminded, I think, of what you're there for and what your principles are.
Well, this might not be 100% correct, but part of it, I think, has to do with the fact that when people are really concerned about something that doesn't fit in, they can form their own party.If they just suddenly, one day, they're fine, but six months later, Brexit takes over the whole country because policies.Now, in America, we have a thing called the Electoral College, which says this, no one can become president, no one can become the leader of the country if they don't carry half of the country.Now, that provision meant such that you have a two-party system, because the second you have a third party or a fourth party, you're out of the ballgame.That electoral college has kept a two-party system. Now, you say, well, what's the point of bringing that up?Well, that's because then you have the tensions at the edges.When a Brexit comes along in America, it has to fit into one of the two parties, and the party begins to move in one direction or another.That's simply the way it works, quite frankly, I think it's ingenious, it's wonderful.I think it's virtually divine inspired, because the poor folks under the parliamentary system in Israel or in Italy, it was 60 governments in 48 years and things, I don't have the full affection for that.The poor folks in Israel, I've gone for four years was virtually, they finally righted it recently. In America, you have to have a 50%, which means that when you have these tensions, you're always going to have these tensions, that there's always be at the margin, what is the new issue?Those that want to sit on their laurels can sit there, but they will constantly be in competition with the new idea.It seems to have worked well and will continue to, but I repeat, it's because you cannot have, you can sell a party in a parliamentary system that might get only seven or eight votes in the parliament and you can't sell that in America because brother if you can't win, we're not interested in hearing from you.
I love it. Can I ask you about legislation, obviously your time on Capitol Hill in Congress and I kind of look at what the Democrats are doing being so reckless in so many ways. And I wonder, is there a way back using policies and legislation?Oh, yes, there always is. The Democrat Party tends to be more socialist. What is a socialist?A socialist is a person that says, if you vote for me, I will take what that person has and give it to you.That's just all there is to it. Now, when you do that, you destroy things.When they take over New York, they turn it into a mess.Periodically, fortunately, Giuliani and Bloomberg came back and put it back on the rails.Twelve years ago, it was the safest, cleanest, largest city in the world.Of course, they bring in the Democrats and immediately they do, I'm going to tax those people, we're going to steal from the productive, we're going to run them out, and it's back into the hellhole that it was 20 years ago.Socialism only fails every time. The Democrats, well, they run for office trying to do that.You question periodically that they'll destroy the economy and then you have to go back and reproduce and build things.We just hope that they don't do any permanent harm, but as you know, freedom, when Donald Donald Trump became presidentthe the entire nation was energy independent within 18 months see freedom works.Okay, and of course when when when Biden came in we were dependent within five months Because he shut down all the pipelines and increased it and shut down the drilling and things, So it doesn't take long to screw things up. It usually takes longer to try to repair them, But nevertheless they can be repaired. So Margaret Thatcher came in the country was just in a mess It was the IMF had taken over control of the pound sterling, everybody felt that Britain was finished.When she left 11 years later, had the fourth largest economy on the planet.Freedom works every time, socialism fails every day.
Yeah, strong leadership is essential. I'm intrigued watching over in the States, the different US states that actually want freedom and the ones that don't.The transfer going back and forward.I think I'm talking to a friend who lived in Florida, and he said, actually, house prices are off the scale.You can't even rent a car anymore. The huge demand, similar in Texas.There seems to be a migration of people going from states that you're punished for your freedom moving towards those states that actually, they want their freedom.It seems to be a bigger and bigger divide happening in the US from those who actually want freedom and those who want to be subjugated.Well, that's the specialness of the federalist system, that we have individual states and they can do their own policies. I would just take Florida, for example, in that Florida is just bursting at the seams in every area, and surpluses in the budgets in the city councils and people are happy and everything, they're expanding and building.It's just a wonderful place, but the governor only won by 30,000 votes, 30,000.The fellow that he beat was as loony as you wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.He's a thug, literally, he's in jail now, I believe. Had he won instead of DeSantis, then he would have said, socialists always want control.So they're going to tell you that you have to have to take this jab and you have to cover your mouth and you have to cover your paper, toilet paper on your nose is going to keep you safe and put up the plastic and put it and they would have shut down the churches.Now it didn't shut down, shut down the Planned Parenthood headquarters and didn't shut down the gay bars, but shut down the churches and all the things that they, and that's what they do in California. That's what they do in New York.And so what do you see? You see New York and California in a state of collapse, and you see the free states, the Republican states, they're prospering.I just saw today that to rent a U-Haul to go from Los Angeles to Dallas is 10 times what it costs to rent a U-Haul to go from Dallas to Los Angeles.Everybody that they'll pay you to take them to California because everybody there is leaving And then you can't get your hands on one. So it, like I say, freedom works.Will Democrats wake up, because I remember when I was in California for the first time, in April last year, and then I went again in June, I realized why I didn't really want to go to the West Coast. But you had people talking who lived just outside LA, and they said, well, this is why we live outside. But the crime and the destruction of the cities actually moves and spreads. And I wonder, will Democrat voters actually get it sometime?
Well, let's pray that they do. I mean, they do this intentionally.When Giuliani became mayor, there were these people that would come out, they're called squeegee people, and they would come and sprinkle dust on your windshield and sprinkle water on it, and then they'd hold their hand out. If you gave them some money, then they would wash your window, and otherwise, you had dirt on your window, or they key you when you drove off. He said, we're not going to do that. I want those people arrested. The second they step off the sidewalk, they're jaywalking, we're going to arrest them, and we're going to fingerprint and mugshot them, and find out who, here's the principle. Here's the principle that Democrats seem to not grasp.That is a lawbreaker, is a lawbreaker, period. They want to focus on the big law. No, no. It's only a handful of people that do this. And so the very first guy that they took for doing that, he had 25 warrants. He went away forever. Why? Because he's a lawbreaker. He's a thief.And so the next thing that they did was Giuliani said, we're not going to have people, or jumping the turnstile to get on the subway.If you jump the turnstile and you don't pay, then you're going to be arrested.And what do you do when you're arrested? You're going to get a fingerprint and a mugshot.And so they did that. The very first day they saw the first guy they caught, they had fingerprints of five murders. Now they had the five fingerprints were clear.They didn't know who they belonged to.But when they mugshot and fingerprinted this guy, they found that the guy who voted jumping the turnstile was a murderer and they put him away. And so when you look at what happened, that crime didn't diminish, crime collapsed.Because when you take the one to 3% of the troublemakers and you put them behind bars where they can't behave, that the rest of the people can prosper.Now what happened when de Blasio came in, when the new Democrat came in, first Democrat mayor in 16 years?They said, look how clean and nice and everything is, let's just screw it up as fast as possible.So what he said was, we are not going to enforce the law.Get this, we're not going to enforce the law for those jumping the turnstile.That means that every thug can go in there and can sleep on the subway 24 hours a day.He can rob the people when they come on.They don't have to get on. Now people don't want to ride the subway, the places of mess, where you have the fights.They said, we want to do more than that. We want to allow people to urinate on the sidewalk and to defecate in the middle of the street and to sleep. So then we will not arrest them for doing that.And so now you walk up and down the streets, you see it covered with people that are just hanging out doing those. And they said, oh, furthermore, people should be allowed to steal.And so as long as they don't steal more than 1,000 at a whack, as long as they take 950, we'll allow them to do that. And so now when you go into some of the stores, they're all boarded up, or they're empty, or they're behind bars. You have to have someone come to open it up.Now, your question was, will they see it? People voted for that. People voted in New York 4 to 1, 4 to 1, 80% voted to do that. They voted for these incompetent folks. So I'm probably not as good a politician as I should be, because it just doesn't make any sense to me.Could I end off just with asking you about Sleepy Joe and the elections coming up, and I had the privilege of being on the front row at CMP and listening to Governor Ron DeSantis, and I love what he's doing in Florida. I also love what Donald Trump has done as a wrecking ball in tearing up the whole system and doing things differently. But when you look as someone who, has their finger on the pulse, what are your thoughts of how the next, I don't know, is it 18 months will transpire? What are your thoughts as you look into that? We don't have any of those big figures in the UK, so that's why it's intriguing looking over to the US.
Well, Now, the difficulty we face is when you're on the left, you never say, look what a great job I did in education.Didn't we do a wonderful job in cleaning up the streets, and oh, aren't people so nice and safe now? Look at how efficiently we handled the border.And didn't we do a marvellous job in bringing the price of gasoline down to 28% of what it was 10 years ago. They can't point to anything.So what they do is they scream, he's a racist, he's a bigot, he's a murderer, he's a he's a and all they do is just vomit on anyone who wants to get into office. And one of the reasons that I am so strongly in favour of of Donald Trump at this point is because almost anybody else has, does not have the rhinoceros hide to stand against the abuse that they will shovel at anyone because they said McCain was a maverick and he listened to people and he worked across the aisle until he got nominated. Second he got nominated, the New York Times ran articles just like they did against Kavanaugh of these women that claimed that they had affairs with him and when they checked it out they weren't even close. They were just making this stuff up just like they're doing doing with Trump, with this woman that claims she couldn't even tell in the court, she couldn't tell within three years of when this events took place.Within three years.So they're going to do that to people.And Donald Trump has the backbone for the benefit of our country and for freedom to take it.And as we've seen, he can bring peace and prosperity. People don't remember that prior to 2016, this entire world was in the hands of the Chinese.We were doing everything that they asked. We were giving them every privilege.The President of the United States signed waivers so that the chips in our military equipment and in our fighter jets would come from China.They were able to control everything.We were sleepwalking over a cliff.One man.Donald Trump came along and said hey, this isn't the brightest thing in the world, He went to the Mercedes and says you can't build an, you can't build a car without their approval what kind you Germans are stronger than that and in the entire world began to break out of a stupor and those people who had put all of their money New York and Silicon Valley all of their money in China, became furious because those factories began with the withdrawal the stock market in China went down 47 percent, half of its wealth was diminished. In the United States, the stock went up 55 percent. America began to grow and prosper and those that hate freedom in America were furious and they were and they continue to be.But I don't think the world's going to go back to sleep and all we need is a person strong enough to do it and we can go back to peace so the countries aren't overrunning each other as they are in Ukraine, where we go back to peace again where there's stability, and we have a strong surgence of freedom, which I anticipate we're going to have shortly.Well, Bob, it is an honour speaking with you, someone who has their finger on the pulse and is involved in such an influential organization like the CNP, so I appreciate your time today and sharing your thoughts.
Well, it was indeed an honour to be with you as always, and we're honoured to have you whenever you can be with us, Peter. All the best.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

We are so lucky to have our guest join us tonight as the unfounded and almost certainly untrue rumours going round are he was involved in a near catastrophic car chase on the way back from picking up a pint of semi-skimmed from Morrisons last Tuesday evening, so rejoice as we welcome back our good friend, David Vance!This man tells it as it is and has the liberal bed-wetter's running for their safe spaces, so batten down the hatches as Mr Vance unleashes a common sense tirade on our topics this episode, including....- Matt Hancock: What a bell end!- Baby dies and eight others fight for life due to spike in 'usually harmless' virus.- Cancer mystery as cases rise among younger people around the world.- Eddie Izzard says he was 'fought in the streets' after coming out as transgender.- NATO’s strength is its diversity.- Childline is accused of failing teenagers: Girls as young as 14 who believed they were trans advised to bind their breasts in chat rooms hosted by the charity.- Zelensky arrives at G7 summit as US backs fighter jets for Ukraine.- UK Immigration: Behold the uni-party.- Unelected PM Rishi Sunak U-turns on proposed ban on Chinese institutes.- Fatty's take flight! I can’t fit in the plane aisle, it feels like discrimination.- Know the warning signs of white supremacy.- Adidas and the bloke in a women's swimsuit.Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 20.5.23
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Dan Tubb - The Roots of Brokenomics and Seeking a Way Out of the Debt Pit

Brokenomics is a word that describes the mess the world is currently in. Who better to discuss our present economic malaise than the presenter of LotusEaters Brokenomics, Dan Tubb. His background in the city gives him the understanding to unpack this issue. With the US hitting their debt ceiling (which is now over $30tn) as they do each year and most economies around the world running larger and larger deficits, Dan joins us to discuss how we got into this mess in the first place. Governments solution of simply printing more money seems to be be accelerating this global tailspin which the world economy is now in. Is there a way out of this mess and how would any solutions impact the general population. Tune in for Dan's expert analysis.Dan Tubb spent 20 years as a Venture Capitalist & Asset Manager in the City before retiring in 2020 just in time to watch the world go completely mad. He was so enraged he started appearing on podcasts & radio to discuss western governments reckless actions including their economic self-destruction. Dan then joined LotusEaters as podcast host and for his own series Brokonomics which separates economic facts from the torrent of mainstream BS.Follow Dan on...TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Kingbingo_?s=20LOTUSEATERS: https://lotuseaters.com/US DEBT CLOCK: https://www.usdebtclock.org/Interview recorded 11.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dan Tubb.Many of you will know him from Lotuseaters, he's been with them the last six months and does Broken Economics up to the 20th and I'd advise, recommend you all to go on that and watch those, it gives you great understanding. And this is not a topic we've touched on before and I realised it was essential that we do and Dan's experience in the city makes him perfect to unpack the economic mess that we are currently in. So we start looking at debt, we look at the discussions at the moment in the US on the debt ceiling, 31 trillion, and it's not just the US's problem, it's worldwide.So he takes us around some other countries, discusses how we got into this problem, the different understanding and views I think on debt and money management across different generations and then he talks about solutions which could and maybe should be on the table to get us out of this. None of them palatable, none of them really appealing in a democratic system to voters but he talks about nonetheless what could be done to get us out and then we finish just on what he does to look after himself and take a path through the current mess. So taking responsibility and some things you can do personally for that. So a lot packed in. I know you will love listening to Dan as he looks at the mess we're in and also ends up with some of those possible solutions.
And today it is wonderful to have a regular on Lotuseaters podcast and host of Brokenomics on Lotuseaters, which is a word which describes a lot of what we face today.And that is Dan Tubb. Dan, thank you for your time today.
(Dan Tubb)
Oh, no, it's an absolute pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
Not at all. I really enjoyed watching. I think you're up to, what, 20, I think, on Brokenomics universal basic income, I think was the last one.
Yeah, it's been a good series. I wanted a platform to talk about some of this stuff.And I've been working with Lotuseaters about six months now. And yeah, it's a wonderful professional set up and really enjoyed working with those guys.
Carl's done a phenomenal job over the last three years. I've been there a lot. But your background, you obviously spent 20 years venture capitalist in the city before hanging that up and then venturing into the world of media, of interviews and podcasts. And I get that gives you, that background gives you a, right and understanding talk about economics.
Yeah, it wasn't intentional. I basically meant to sort of step back more broadly and just sort of do the, you know, the odd thing here and there.But then, of course, that was in 2019. And then, of course, we hit the pandemic in 2020, and I was just so outraged by this that I could not stay silent. And, of course, back in the early days there were only a few of us who were speaking out against it.And I found that with my background, I was able to contribute something to the discussion, which perhaps some people were not bringing up, the more financial side of it. Although I talked about all of it, of course, it was also outrageous. And that then involved me in more and more interviews, radio, and of course, eventually to Lotuseaters, where I am now.
Well, maybe just we'll start on where we are currently, and I'll let you unpack it. At the moment, I think the current US mess, although it's not just in the US, with the debt ceiling negotiations.And when I was looking back, I realized the debt ceiling was raised last by 2.5 trillion.That was a year and a half ago, to a total of just over 30 trillion. And obviously, they're negotiating with it. And I guess they'll have to add another couple of trillion onto that, which they do each year. How on earth did the world get into such a mess whenever we are told one thing and governments seem to do something completely different.
Yeah, so I mean the debt, the 31 trillion, that's just the amount that they've already borrowed. They are committed to borrowing a significantly larger amount because the US has written into law that they will make certain expenditure on military, on social security, on medicaid, and if you add up all those, that debt that they are obligated to take on, you're well over 200 trillion at this point.It is an extremely, truly extraordinary amount of money. Now, the 31 trillion is significant by itself because that's also about the same size as the US economy. So if you can think of the economy being about 30 trillion and the debt being about 30 trillion, it makes the maths easy for this next bit. The issue is which of those is going to grow faster. So if the economy is growing at say about 2% and it's very difficult to measure these days because the magic money tree has been turned on. So trying to figure out what is real growth and what is not is harder. But let's say the economy is growing at 2%. Well, the debt is now growing at 4%. So you can see that the debt is going to get larger than the economy. What that means is that the US, well it's not just the US, it's basically most of the Western world, they're in a debt spiral. What it means is the debt is going to get larger and larger every year and the servicing of that debt, so the amount that you're paying out just to cover your debt costs is going to go up all of the time. So let's bring this back to the UK, for example. In the UK, the biggest expenditure at the moment is the NHS. But debt expenditure is very close behind now. And it won't be that much longer before basically just servicing the debt. And of course, you're not getting anything for that. That's just paying off the monthly interest cost. That's going to overtake the NHS soon. And then our biggest expenditure is going to be something that we are getting absolutely nothing for.So yeah, it's a complete mess, Peter.
You put up on one of your Twitter posts, which I found mesmerizing, was a website, I'll bring it up, which is US Debt Clock.I find myself just being mesmerized by those figures going up.But that's one side, that is the US.And then, of course, you talked about the world.And that's what's happening across the world.
So let's talk about that quickly while you've got it up.Go for it. People can look at that. They see the US at the top there. And the key thing is you want that third column. So the ratio of the debt to the economy. And it's about 100% across most Western countries, although you get some like Japan, which are at 300%. But like I was saying, that's only the official debt. If you go back to the previous one now, so you can see the page on before, yeah, you can see that the sort of total debt up there in the top left-hand corner, then it breaks it down per citizen, so a total debt of quarter of a million dollars per citizen, and then right down in the bottom right-hand corner is all that other stuff that I was talking about, so the Medicaid and the social security and all the other sort of obligated spending that they've got, you look at that and it's well over half a million per citizen that is the debt obligation they've got to pay. So, you know, basically this has to break.Shall I get into how we got into this? Because...
Please do! Please do!
So, as I start to get into this, I want to be, first of all, very clear that I'm not blaming anyone in particular, but I do have to talk about the generations. This is not to say that the, generation I'm going to talk about has done anything wrong, because I don't believe they they have, it's just that demographics are a key driver of this.Okay, so we start our story back in 1950s, basically, early 1960s.And the boomer generation came along and they were the largest generation the world has ever seen in proportional terms and also in absolute terms, they were also extremely large.Now, they entered a, well, they were a very large generation entering a very small world.And that had a couple of effects. One of the big effects was that they all started contributing to the economy.They started working, they started producing. They all went out and bought a house, a car, a new suit, all those things.And so the economy grew significantly over their time.They also wanted to be generous towards their elders, which is a very understandable thing.They wanted to take the existing provisions for pensions and welfare provisions that were available and the NHS, and they wanted to grow all of those.And it is very easy when you've got a large generation being generous to a smaller population, which is a smaller population above them,that's very easy to do. The problem is, is that now that large generation are on the receiving end of those benefits that were designed basically for a smaller population behind them.And that's why we've got to the point now, whereas if you take the top items of expenditure, which is basically the NHS and pensions, you can see this cost and, you know, it's already extremely significant, but that is starting to grow even more significantly. So that's one factor.And what it has led us to is basically the government, western governments, are now spending as if they are in a total war type situation, because governments have been in this situation before when they've been spending the type of levels that they've been spending now, but it's always been because they're in a total war situation. The thing with war, is that it ends eventually. When is the war on old age, on sickness and all of these other things, when is that ever going to end? It's not. So that's one factor. The other factor is that when the boomer generation came into the workforce, yes there was a lot of them so they grew the economy, but because there was a lot of them they were competing with each other for wages. So for the last 40 years, real wages have not increased. In fact, they never increased again after about the early 70s. So yes, wages went up every year. People are used to seeing their wages go up, but their wages have not gone up by more than the rate of inflation.But assets have. So things like, you know, houses is the obvious example. The supply of new units never kept up, so asset prices have gone up significantly. So even though wages have not gone up, all of the asset prices have. And what's been happening over the last 40 years, as real wages have not been increasing, is people have been taking on additional debt in order to get that growth in lifestyle, or the additional generations have been taking on debt.So you've got that massive expansion of also the private debt that comes along with it as well.And then you've got a couple of other significant factors as well.It wasn't just the boomer generation that were large and expanded.Then, of course, in the 1990s, we brought China and India into the global economy, and that significantly expanded it.We have increasingly, well, to the point where it is just absolute commonplace now, women have been brought into the workplace that perhaps they were, weren't in the earlier 70s or 60s. And now, of course, we've got the robots as well. So there's been that big expansion, of workers contributing. The millennial generation was also quite large.So those wages haven't grown, but asset prices have, debt has and government spending has.So we've now got ourselves into this completely unviable situation where, say the UK, the UK is spending about £1.30 for every £1 it raises in taxes.Then you start to think about, okay, how are we going to get out of this?And that's when you start to discover that actually none of the options for getting out of this work either.
Well, can I, because when you look back, you think of those in charge across the world who are causing these financial issues, the government's in charge there, baby boomers or Gen X, and they lived in a time, just on the edge of Gen X, but lived in a time where you had to use your money wisely.You had to save.You shouldn't have a high debt. So they grew up with that understanding of looking at money in a careful manner of balancing your expenditure and your income.And yet they're the ones who have tried to change the rules, even though they know better.And when I look at it politically, that kind of intrigues me and confuses me.
Yeah, so if you're looking at generational patterns, it was really the generation above that. It was the silent generation, the greatest generation who had that high saving ethos.And they would have passed it on to a number of their children in the boomer generation.But actually the experience of the boomer generation has been that debt is a good thing.You've always wanted to take out debt over your lifetime. If you, in the 1970s, took out the biggest mortgage you possibly could and bought the biggest house you possibly could and then deferred the payment of that loan for as long as you could, you have done very well.Because what's been happening is the value of that debt has been shrinking. Because of course, what governments have been needing to do and central banks have been needing to do is, because the sums don't add up, part of the solution has been to effectively print money.To lower interest rates. Now, lowering interest rates is a significant factor on this. Again, for the last 40 years, interest rates have dwindled down. So, I don't know if anybody's going to remember this, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. There's this charming little advert from late 80s, something like that. And it was this Arthur Daly character, and he's doing the hustle. He's getting out there. I think he's trying to sell barbecues off the back of a lorry or something like that. And in the end, he realizes it's easier just to go to the Halifax and put it in the liquid gold account and get 9.8% on his money.Now we look at that today and think, wow, 9.8%. But you could get that by walking into a bank. And what you've noticed is over the last 40 years is the interest rates have just got lower and lower and lower and lower. So what does that do? Well, what it means is that if you have used debt over your lifetime, and the boomer generations were perfectly set to benefit from this, given the time period that we talked about, if you had a large debt, you could always roll that debt over the following year at a low interest rate than you did before.You add on top of that, the expansion of the money supply and the people who have done the best out of the boomer generations are the ones who have basically abused debt.So naturally, you know, the people who tend to end up in charge are the people who've performed very well in the system and their entire life experience has been, you don't need to worry about debt, debt is a good thing.Let's use this. And then of course you've got the political angle of this as well.It's very difficult to get elected without promising people more. And of course the voters they've gone along with this as well even if they think that they haven't. You know if you go back to say the 80s and you were voting for Reagan or Thatcher thinking that you were voting for the small state option? Well maybe you were voting for the small state option comparatively, but actually both of those politicians grew the size of the state significantly as well.So the state has expanded, the money supply has expanded, when that money has been created it's been done at the nexus between government and central banks and the finance system, so the finance system has got ever larger. And the real value of your money has shrunk significantly every year. So that's why if you wanted to hold the value of any of your excess earnings, you wanted to put it into stocks, you wanted to put it into property. The worst thing you could have done is in 1975, you've done very well and you've saved up a thousand pounds and kept it in cash under the mattress. That would have been an absolute disaster because the real value of that today compared to what it would have been in the 1970s is ridiculous. So we have a system which has for many years rewarded debt creation, additional government spending, additional all, you know, expenditure and debt on all things, in politics, in business and finance.And we've now flipped recently, where that is no longer the economic model, it no longer works. And that's why we're coming into this crisis period.
I, before going to some of the possible ways out of it, I watched a, I don't know if you had it on your Twitter, someone else, an interview Jeff Bezos did, founder of Amazon, and he was getting interviewed and they were talking about how Amazon didn't make any money, famously, didn't make any money until quite recently and Jeff Bezos thought well this was the norm this was this was a bit funny and that's how businesses work that you didn't have to make money for 20 odd years you could just keep putting it back and that understanding is completely alien to previous generations where you made sure you made a profit and you set that over you had a buffer zone now it's just actually you can spend way past your limit because know you can borrow from somewhere and the idea you're talking about in government I guess in countries is the same we see in business.
Yeah so certainly with say the government side of that, it has always been the case that you can go and win election by making promises.Spending basically spending more than you take in on the revenue side on the taxation side and if you didn't do this it was it was kind of a foolish move not to do that because you wouldn't have got elected. And in fact I can't even think of a historical example of somebody who went out and offered to spend within their means and then ended up getting elected. It doesn't work for that.But the thing is it wasn't even a problem because that debt that you added on, because the interest rates were coming down over that last 40 years, the cost of servicing that debt got lower. But also because you were printing so much money over this time period, the real value of that debt also fell.You know, my parents, they bought a house in, I don't know when it was, early 80s maybe, and they took out a mortgage of 30 grand. And actually, the way they did it, they did it right, is they did an interest-only mortgage and they didn't pay it off until the end of the term.But 30 grand in the early 80s was quite a lot of money. And, you know, whenever they came around to paying it off, you know, 2000s or something, because I think they extended it or something, I think the real value of that was significantly decreased.So this has been the experience.But now we've got a situation where global debt is about 400% of GDP.Just the official debt is 100% of GDP for countries like the UK and the US.And the problem is there isn't really a way out of it.And people think, well, there must be a way out of it. And people always give certain solutions that they feel must work.So so let's talk about those. You know, the first one is and this is the one that actually nobody talks about in any official capacity.But you sometimes hear this is a version of the guy in the pub might say this is OK, you just write it off.Well, there's a problem for that in the flip side of this debt is that it's somebody else's asset.So you wipe out all of this debt and you've wiped out pensions.Wiped out the basis of the financial system because that is all their collateral. All the banks, their collateral is this debt that they're holding. And you might think, okay, well, this financial system deserves to be wiped out and I'd agree with that. The problem is if you haven't got something to replace it with and you knock out the financial system, the farmer no longer has an incentive to supply food to the wholesalers, the wholesalers no longer have an incentive to supply the shops, you won't be able to buy energy, the whole thing stops and it would be a horrendous mess if we were to get into that without having something set up on the other side.And the people running this system have no incentive to explore alternatives because they are doing extremely well out of this system.So any alternative system is not even being given any time.This is the reason why so many of us are starting to like Bitcoin, because it could offer that alternative.If you want to, later, I'll come into why I say Bitcoin as opposed to gold.
Yeah, we'll end off on that, look at other options. But when you talk about wiping it out by defaulting, which maybe most people will know that from Argentina crisis, whatever that was, 10, 12 years ago, and what happened there.And that was me the first time in many of our lifetimes that a second world country, I guess, had defaulted. It was normally basket case economies.But what does, because on, I watched the interview that Trump did on CNN, and a lot of it's bravado, but he was asked about the debt ceiling, and he said, well, we just default. It might be bad for a little bit, we'll just default. And that's playing to his base, and that's bravado, and I get all that. But it was interesting that he said, well, either we do it now or we do it later.Who cares? We may as well do it now. What are your thoughts on that?It's difficult to know precisely how it would play out. If it was just that you stopped, if you didn't wipe out the debt, but you stopped paying the interest on top of it, which is more to Trump's comments, it's more the Argentinian situation.But Argentina have got in a different position because whenever the Argentinian financial system collapses, which it does on a semi-regular basis, you know, they know what to do.They go to their top drawer, they pull out their dollars, and they get on with life.It's like, oh, okay, it's collapsed again, let's go and grab the dollars, and they just use dollars for a while.Because what's been happening is whenever they've defaulted, it's been, you know, they have been an island of chaos in a basically a global sea of stability.If the Western financial system collapses, it flips the other way.Now it's gonna be pockets of stability because there are a few countries that have, you know, low debt levels, viable currencies, but not many of them.And it's gonna be most of the world that's going to be in this sort of chaos situation.You know, if the dollar defaults, they're not going to go to the top draw and pull out their Argentinian pesos and start using those.They could attempt to use gold and in time, perhaps Bitcoin will be ready for that.But the but the financial rails to make that work aren't there.So default, that's that's why people never talk about it, especially the people in power, because they don't want to, because the system is set up very well for them.And actually, your audience might think that they want that, but you wouldn't want to be living through that transition when there isn't an alternative already set up ready to go.So that's default.
Yes, as much as I would like to burn to the ground, I get that.They also do say that, what, if I owe you 100 pounds, that's my problem, but if I owe you a million, then that's your problem.And obviously, if the US did not pay, that would cause chaos.But obviously, the institutions that have lent money and keep lending money, then they're the ones that suffer. but I guess that has a ripple effect throughout the whole world.Yeah, I mean, it would, once you got to the other side of it, and I don't know how messy it would be and how disruptive and how damaging it would be, but once you got to the other side of it, it'd be very good for younger people who are supplying their labour, people who are productive in the here and now, but people who have been putting away their excess production for many years, thinking that they've got assets that they can get a yield from later in life, those white guys would end up getting wiped out so you can see why the boomer generation doesn't want it.You can also see why the millennial generation doesn't want it, because they're going to have mum and dad and great-uncle Peter and everybody else coming to live with them.It would be very much a sort of, you know, the sort of Southeast Asian type family situations, getting back to that. And actually, nobody should want it unless you've got something set up on the other side. So default is very difficult to do. Of course, they are doing a slow default, which is they are devaluing the money. So if you own a whole load of government bonds, you're finding that actually the real value of those is shrinking all the time.People sort of know that, but because it's like 5% or 10% a year, they would rather lose 5% where they know they're going to lose 5% rather than potentially getting wiped out on alternative.
Well, that's defaulting, walking away from your debt and not paying it. What are your other thoughts that may be on the table as possible ways out or things that governments could consider?
Yeah. So the next one that a lot of people go to, predominantly people on the left, is, okay, let's just tax the rich more. If only there was enough of them. There isn't. And I've done the sums on this, and to make it real, to make it tangible, I just said, okay, let's take the Times rich list. So the Times produce an annual thousand rich list, and they go into lots of detail on the on the top 250, and I said, let's just take all of it from them.And let's say you did that. You wiped out the top.Now, bear in mind, I don't think you'd actually be able to do it, because very rich people are not keeping all of their money in the local bank account where you can just turn up and say to the bank manager, hand it over.It's widely spread all over the world, and they design it in such a way that it is very difficult to do this.But assuming you could just take all of the money the Times Rich List, you'd be able to run the government for about seven months.It's not actually that much money. And that's assuming that you could get all of it.So if you wanted to try, because the debt is just so large, the governmental debt is so large at this point. So you would end up having to go down to people who you would imagine who don't think of themselves as rich.So basically you, me, everybody else watching this as well, it would be full confiscation of assets all the way down the chain in order to try and pay off this level of debt.So nice idea, but it doesn't work. Plus, of course, as soon as you've done it, you basically wiped out the profit incentive for everybody everywhere, because they know as soon as they generate something, it's going to be taken from them.So you're sort of in a Soviet system.So nice idea, lefties, but it's just not viable when you look at the maths, when you look at the amount of rich people there.Plus, of course, let's say you were a politician who started advocating that.You wouldn't get anywhere near the seat of power. You would be suicided into the sun before you got anywhere near that sort of level of power.So wealth confiscation doesn't work. Okay, let's turn to what the right prefer, which is cutting spending.Okay, let's say you wanted in the UK context, cause I know the numbers better there.Let's say you wanted to clear out this debt over the next 20 years.So a reasonable pace, but you're not gonna go too fast. You're just going to flip it from a deficit every year to a surplus that's sufficient to pay this off over 20 years.What does that look like?You would have to cut all government spending by, I think it's about 37%.But remember that I said before that debt interest is a large element of that.You're not getting anything for that. And actually, if you look at the budgets of the NHS, of pensions, of schools, and all the rest of it, A lot of that is non-cash items depreciation and so on.So actually what we're talking about is a 50% reduction to all government spending, and all of it, not just not one, not the top elements, all of it.So that would mean cutting the NHS in half, cutting the school system in half, pensions in half, military in half, all of it in half.Now, bear in mind that in my lifetime, I have never seen a government get elected that did not go into an election promising a real terms increase in the NHS, what are the prospects of somebody getting themselves elected saying, oh yeah, I'm going to cut the NHS in half and schools and everything else?So even though cutting the spending is actually probably the right solution, it's not going to happen until the government is absolutely forced to do it and the nation is forced to do it. So that doesn't get you there either.So we've knocked out three options. The next option is, okay, well, let's grow the economy then.And this is where I think Liz Truss had it right.It didn't help that she was as smart as a chocolate bar. If she had a little bit more brains and was a little bit more political savvy, you know, maybe she could have made a lot more progress. But her instincts were basically right.Even though her budget didn't actually do that because her budget was increasing spending because she didn't talk about the cuts on the other side.But let's stick with the theme of we're going to grow our way out of this.Okay, we've got a problem. I talked earlier about the growth in the debt.So the debt is growing about 4% or 5% a year at the moment. So if you want to grow yourself out of the situation, it's easy.You just need to grow the economy larger than about 4% or 5% a year.In fact, you sort of want it up at sort of 6%, 7%, 8%. The UK manages normally about 1.5% to 2%.So the level of growth required is well beyond the level that we are capable of.And add on to that, that the growth that we have achieved in our best years before have not been the level of taxation that we need in order to continue to pay out on NHS and pensions and Social Security and all those other big ticket items that we've got.So taxes are higher, taxes keep getting higher and taxes are gonna continue to get a lot higher.In addition to that, regulation, that's gonna be a big factor as well.Politicians, they don't like to sit still, they like to regulate, they like to make additional rules, which in their minds will add consumer protections.but what it's really doing is it's giving jobs for a larger army of bureaucrats and it's slowing down that wealth creation process. Yes, it smooths out some fraud and bad actors on the way, but the bigger effect is it really clamps down on economic growth. So the level of growth that we would need to get out of this situation is nowhere near the level that we can actually do. I do have one proviso on that though.Maybe some of the technologies coming down the track could do that.And it's really early, I think, to say whether that will be the case, but we have got a technology revolution going on at the moment in things like AI and robotics.And, you know, possibly there's a couple of interesting scenarios that come out of that.You know, one is the machines take over and they get rid of us all. That could happen.The other one is that it unleashes a productivity boon that drastically increases the growth rate.So maybe it's possible, but that, it starts to feel a bit like fantasy thinking when I'm talking like that, because I'm sort of saying the only Hail Mary that gets us out of this is a potential future situation, which we can sort of imagine in our minds might come true.And maybe it does, but that seems to be the solution they're going for.They're just hoping that a productivity miracle comes along.And even though we can imagine it, it feels pretty risky to be putting all our eggs in that basket.But that's what we're doing.
Well, at the moment where we are and where the whole economy, world economy, balanced on a knife edge and been hit by headwinds, just in these last 23 years with the crash in 2008 and then with Covid.Those are two massive hits. And of course, debt, the government can take on debt only because of the rates it borrows it at.So when interest rates are low, when the ability to borrow money, when money is cheap, then they can keep doing that.But you talked about parents buying a house in the 80s and whenever interest rates were 15 percent in the 80s, all it takes is a change in the economic circumstances. All it takes is a disaster somewhere.And then the whole thing tips over. Is that a kind of a fair assessment?
Yeah. So, I did allude to this earlier, basically, the economic model has shifted. So for a long time.Well, basically forever until the early 2000s, the economic formula, and if I'm gonna really oversimplify it, I will boil it down to more.Okay, so you want more workers, you want more factories, you want more production lines, you want more shops.Let me give you a pertinent example of the precise inflection point that I'm talking about.Blockbuster videos.So the recipe for success for Blockbuster videos was open another store, get another line of VHS or DVDs, get another employee, more, more, more, more, more.And then what happened is technology changed that, the digitization of information.Because Netflix came along, and they reduced the marginal cost of distribution for a video down to zero. And all of a sudden, Blockbusters went from, What was it, maybe 3,000 stores, 80,000 employees, something like that.All of those stores went from being an asset to being a liability, because all of a sudden you didn't need that anymore.And that's what's been happening in the digitization process that started in, say early 2000s, and has been accelerating every year ever since.Where the economic model is no longer more, it's more for less, it's reducing the costs.And that's what digitization technology does for you.But we've built a financial system that works on more. So this system that I've been describing over the last 40 years or so, and I talk about this financial system and I'm saying it is fundamentally flawed, it would be very sensible for somebody in their 50s or 60s to turn around to me and say, well, look, it worked over my lifetime. I went out and I got a pay rise every year. I work for a company that did more every year. I took on more debt. So why shouldn't it work anymore? And it is because of that technological change is starting to push massive deflation. So what do I mean by massive deflation? Do you remember going to get photos developed?You buy a reel of film, put it in your camera, you take your shots, and you pay for for the reel of a film, you pay for the camera, you pay for the processing, you pay for the picture album that goes behind it.And these days, everybody just uses their phone. The cost of that thing is basically collapsed down to zero for taking pictures because it's just all bundled into your phone.That's gonna be true for apps on your phone. Like when was the last time you bought a calculator?Again, it's just on your phone. There are so many things now that we do not pay for anymore.And from the economic, if you're looking at it as an economist, it looks like the economy's getting smaller.Because nobody's paying for photos anymore. Nobody's buying calculators anymore.All of these things are disappearing from an economic model that was set up assuming that next year there will be a need for more of everything.And actually it's flipped the other way. It's all deflation these days. It's all about getting more for less.So you try and combine an economic system that must always have more and therefore can accommodate monetary expansion.So you can print money and you can basically get away with it under the old economic system.You can't get away with it under the new system.So what happens if you take the old economic model, which is more printing money, and you apply it to the new economy, which is digitization and deflation?But what happens is you get the inflation manifests in a cost of living reduction.So in a quality of living reduction, I should say, sorry. So that's why you're seeing your fuel bill shoot up as much as it is.You're seeing the costs of the shop going up significantly because that expansion of the money supply is manifesting itself as basically your wages shrinking, what you can buy with them.But the value of all those real things are just being re-nominated by the amount of currency units that are out there.So we got us into this situation where the only tools that policy makers are willing to consider, to allow themselves, it's more and more money printing. At the same time, we've got all these different... And you think what's going to happen next with AI and robotics? AI and robotics is already taking over so many things. You may not have noticed it personally, if you're living in in the West, but if you are a Filipino call centre worker, you've noticed the impact of AI already.And now with the advances that we've seen over the course of the last year, say the image creation, if you've seen some of the image creation that AI is capable of doing now, it looks like photos.And I'm hearing this all the time now from small businesses, like game studios, for example, they just don't need as many graphic designers as they do.ChatGPT is fascinating because, you know, there are iterations of that that are coming out.So for example, I dumped a fairly large set of data into it the other day and said, tell me the most interesting trends from this data.And within a few seconds, it did what would have taken me at least a day to pass out of that data.You've got the big accountancy firms, the big consultancy firms, looking at effectively freezing all new hires while they investigate how they can incorporate this.And this is before robotics really becomes a thing. So a lot of people are working on self-driving cars.And some people say, oh, no, it's never going to happen. But we used to say that about some of the AI stuff until recently.But actually, today, it is possible to get into a Tesla and to go from your home to your office without any interventions. Now you do need to be there ready because it's not that technology isn't quite ready yet. You need to be ready to take over but plenty of people do have journeys where they don't need to intervene at all from home to office. It does the entire journey. When that technology is reliable enough it's going to displace drivers. Does that matter? Well yeah because driver is the largest job category for unskilled males across the entire world. So you've got all of these massive deflationary trends coming while governments are panicking and thinking, what do we do? We haven't got enough money, we can't cut spending, because that would mean that we get kicked out of the next election, let's just hit the print button.So, people are going to have to get use to a lot of inflation and a lot of tax over the coming 10 years until something fundamentally breaks and we are forced to adopt a new system.
Well, I want to ask you about the US or what your thoughts are, because obviously the US has been the engine of the world economy as a superpower.Now we're seeing their, I guess, dependence on other countries increase and less self-dependent, certainly as they've abandoned under Biden their energy policy.But then you've got the whole petrodollar with a lot of push for pricing commodities in non-US dollars.You got the BRICS push for currency, and then you've got the supply chain, I guess, in chaos.Where we are now, is it because of the US's fall from that position?Is it a failure of capitalism? Is it globalization failing?I mean, there are a lot of parts, but what are your thoughts on that?
Well, I think I think it's all of those parts. But certainly the the current U.S.regime have have been dealt a set of cards that weren't that great and played them extraordinarily badly.And I am honestly impressed by by what Biden has managed to do over his time.I think if I was given the job of president and I was committed to destroying the U.S.In the shortest possible time period, I really doubt that I could have done a better job than what Joe Biden has done. So the first thing he's done is he made domestic energy far more expensive than it needs to be. You really don't want to mess with energy. Let's talk about an economy very quickly. What is an economy? It is energy and agriculture. And then on top of that, you build whatever goods and services that come on top. Now, goods and services, you can swap them around all day long. If you're producing washing machines and nobody wants to buy washing machines, you can pivot over to hair dryers. If you're doing services, if you're doing accountancy and nobody wants accountancy anymore, you can pivot over to haircuts. You know, whatever it is, that layer is malleable. Energy and agriculture are the foundation tier of an economy and we have a political class these days which is dedicated to, and for example, this is Joe Biden's stated policy, he wants to to make energy expensive. He actually says that. Energy is the whole reason why we're doing this, why your audience do whatever they do as opposed to subsistence farming.It's because we have energy. So it was ludicrous to declare a war on energy, but that is what politicians have decided to do. Now, I'm not necessarily against energy technology long term. Long term, the idea of having energy supplies which have a marginal cost of zero is very attractive.The problem is you could only make that transition at a speed that is naturally possible.I'll very quickly explain what I mean on that. For example, I talked about some of the big interesting technology trends that are coming at the moment. AI and robotics are one. Energy technology is another. 3D printing is another. Let's say that we just decided that we were going to artificially shut down all our factories and replace it with all 3D printing. It would be absurd. You can understand how absurd that would be. Now, long term, the possibilities of large-scale 3D printing is remarkable what it could do, but you have to make that transition at the rate that technology is ready. Whereas we picked another one, we picked energy, and we said we're going to make this transition far faster than the technology allows, before the mineral resources allow. The energy storage simply isn't there. If you did it at a natural pace, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If you've got a factory in southern Italy and you produce mainly during the day and you've got a large roof space, it's a simple return on investment calculation. You think, OK, well, what does it cost me to stick solar panels up there? And what does it knock off my energy bill? And it's there when I need it. Fine. I've got a problem with that. But trying to convert these economies at this sort of breakneck speed, that simply doesn't work. OK. So Biden intact energy, he also undermined the dollar. The dollar has been the global reserve since Bretton Woods, since basically the end of the Second World War. The thing with the war is America ended up with all of the gold, partly because people sent it over there for safekeeping and partly because there was still a functional economy. At the end of the war, they quite liked having all of this gold and they said, I tell you what, instead of giving the gold back, why don't we just makeDollars as good as gold, and you can use dollars instead. They managed that for about 20 years, and then they defaulted on it with Nixon when they broke the link between gold and dollars, but they kind of managed to do it in a way that worked, that people were still happy with the dollars. And they did that through the creation of what you just talked about there, which is a petrodollar. They were a large energy producer, and they went to an even larger energy producer, which is the Saudis, and said, we will give you security guarantees. Basically, we'll make sure that the House of Saud is never overthrown either domestically or by foreign powers, so we will give you military support. In return, you price everything in dollars.All your energy in dollars. And then the invitation to the rest of the world is, would you like to follow suit or would you like to be invaded? And a few of them chose to be invaded, and they got invaded, and their president ended up dying in a rather messy way on a handheld camera somewhere, and the rest of them went along with it.And then you get the Biden government that comes in and they escalate a conflict with Russia.And they did something that we didn't even do during the Second World War, which was seize their foreign reserves. We didn't even do that against the Germans in the Second World War, seize their foreign reserves, but they did it against Russia because they've decided they're going to use the dollar as a weapon. Now that seems very clever to the to the policy wonks in Washington but it sends a signal to the rest of the world and the signal is, what if one day I disagree with the US about something? What if I don't want to go along with whatever their current thing is? And so all of a sudden you've got well basically everybody who who isn't in the, you know who I mean, the, what they call the international community, which is basically Western Europe, the English speaking world, you know, Canada, New Zealand, you know, those countries, those countries that really, that take their political lead from the US.Everybody else is now thinking, we need to find a way off of this.You've got the Chinese agreeing a deal with the Saudis to buy oil in, was it Yuan?You've got India having the same conversations, you've got South American countries having the same conversation. Everybody's thinking, get me out of the dollar because I don't want it to be turned against me as a weapon at some future point.And if I'm entirely reliant on it, that's a real big problem.So he did that as well.Well, I mean, there's so many things with Biden. I mean, I could talk, I'll take up the rest of the time.So I don't wanna do that. But very quickly, I mentioned Afghanistan as well.That whole process that I described with the petrodollar, which is you will use dollars or you will get invaded, only works if there is a credible threat behind it.And when you've got people falling off planes while they're hastily basically getting chased out of Afghanistan by a bunch of guys in sandals, it sends the wrong message.So I won't take up any more time on Biden, But yeah, he has been spectacularly incompetent on every front.
Oh, yeah. I just want to finish just for a few minutes, just to bring us in just the end.And I know what you do and what your thoughts are, actually, you look after yourself.That's a whole topping itself.But just to touch on for a few minutes, I know you've talked about gold, Bitcoin, property.Can we just finish off just why those are positives?
Yeah, well basically because we have now got into a global financial system that can only keep itself running on fumes, it needs to print money. So what you want are assets that can't be printed, and there's a fairly short list of them. It's things like commodities, it's, well, certainly industrial commodities like metals and whatever else.There are agricultural commodities, but they tend to decay over time. And it's not practical to store. You're not going to put all your wealth into copper and have a whole bunch of it delivered to your house, are you, or wheat or whatever. So you tend to want to go for things like property, but property is super easy to tax. And we know that governments are going to be hyper-incentivized to tax everybody as much as they possibly can. Taxes are going to go way higher and property is an easy victim when it comes to that.So then it turns you to the monetary resources, which is going to be gold. Now I like gold, I hold gold. It's very difficult to run a financial system on gold these days. And the reason is because obviously you're not going to be handing over gold coins and silver coins to people when you pay them in the shop. So it is going to have to be a financial system which is based on gold, which means that somebody else somewhere is holding it for you.So the whole logic of gold leads you back to centralization.And typically, the way gold has been done when it's been used as a monetary asset before, is it basically all ends up getting stored in two places, New York and London.And that's because if you take it anywhere else, because gold is so easy to, say, gold bars, it's so easy to drill into them and put tungsten rods inside, that the moment you take it out of the most high trust environments, you basically then need to do an expensive reassay process on it to check where it is. So the whole logic of gold is centralisation, except it's not going to be New York and London that's holding it in the future because everybody's going to want to hold their own. The Chinese aren't going to want to hold theirs somewhere else, they're going to want hold their own. And then you have to trust everybody.So, I mean, if would you trust the Americans when they tell you how much gold they have, or the Chinese or the Russians or Brazil? You know, are you going to trust these places when they tell you how much? So, so gold, I love the idea and I think it's going to benefit and I hold it myself. But when you really get into the nuts and bolts of it, it cannot function in an economy like the one we've got today. And then you start to go down the rabbit hole on Bitcoin. And I was very sceptical at first, and I kept on looking at it, and I kept on realizing more and more that actually this could be the solution. Now, it doesn't mean it will be the solution, because governments are heavily incentivized not to use it, because there is no central control. There's no court office that you can send a cease and and assist notice too. It is a protocol. What do I mean by protocol? Very important distinction between a protocol and service. Email is a protocol. Twitter is a service. You can be booted off Twitter. You can't be booted off email because it's a protocol and you can set up your own server in your house if you want to. You can go to another property. It's very easy, but services are centralised and they can't be.So Bitcoin is now at about 300 million users, and it's growing twice as fast as the previous fastest technological big grow, which was the internet.So Bitcoin now has about as many users as the internet had in 1997.And over the next 10 years, the internet went on to revolutionize everything.And I think Bitcoin has the possibility of doing the same thing.So I don't know that it's going to be the solution.All I'm saying is that I am yet, and I have looked at this a very great deal, I'm yet to see a reason why it can't be the solution other than adoption, which governments will try and stop people.But how successful were the record companies in stopping kids from downloading albums online?Not in the slightest.If Bitcoin was gonna be killed, it should have been killed already.And it's still thriving. So how do you protect yourself? Have stuff that can't be printed.And I like property, I do like gold, but most of all, I probably like Bitcoin as a solution here.
Well, Dan, thank you so much for joining us.Obviously, the viewers can find you on Brokenomics on Lotuseaters, which is probably one of the best reasons people should get a subscription to Lotus Eaters.But thank you so much for coming on.
No, it's been an absolute pleasure, really enjoyed it.
And we'll have you on again. A lot of those things to unpack at the end, We didn't get time, but it'll be great to have you on again to unpack some of those three commodities you ended with.
Yeah, absolutely. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Dr Peter McCullough - Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK Jr, Eco Health Alliance and the latest Myocarditis & Excess Death Data

It is an honour to have the world famous cardiologist Dr Peter McCullough join us on Hearts of Oak again. We are getting a taster of the political shockwaves that are coming down the line with presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy recently saying that the public were duped on the COVID Jab and of course we have RFK Jr actively red-pilling the left. And just in the last week we have seen another slew of data on vaccine harms and excess deaths. The truth will be told and Dr McCullough is leading the vanguard as one of the main catalysts of getting this information out to the public.Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, managing the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas, TX, USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection,” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine.McCullough has 51 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in The Hill, America Out Loud, and on FOX NEWS Channel.On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, New Hampshire Senate, and South Carolina Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.Dr. McCullough has two years of dedicated academic and clinical efforts in combating the SARS-CoV-2 virus. In doing so, he has reviewed thousands of reports, participated in scientific congresses, group discussions, press releases, and been considered among the world’s experts on COVID-19.Dr. McCullough is also known for his iconic views on the state of medical truth in America and around the globe.He pierces through the thin veil of mainstream media stories that skirt the major issues and provide no tractable basis for durable insight. McCullough aims to bring critical information and insights to the viewers and listeners in a concise and understandable format.Sit back, take notes if you are so inclined, and you will always come away better informed and more settled in your direction forward regarding personal and family medical navigation, home and health products, diagnostic tests, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and the path forward for you and your loved ones.'The Courage to Face Covid 19' in hardback or paperback....https://couragetofacecovid.com/products/the-courage-to-face-covid-19?variant=41888573685916Follow and support Dr. McCullough at the links belowWebsite: https://www.petermcculloughmd.com/Substack: https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=emailGETTR: https://gettr.com/user/p_mcculloughmdTwitter: https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMDTruth: https://truthsocial.com/@petermcculloughmdTelegram: https://t.me/C19ExpertChannelAmerica Out Loud: https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-mccullough-report/Concerned Doctors: https://concerneddoctors.org/dr-peter-mccullough-videos/Interview recorded 11.5.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Peter McCullough.
He re-joined us, having been with us last year, and we start on the political side.I saw him at CPAC, and Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a US presidential candidate for the Republicans, said on a talk show he was duped, and the American people were duped, on COVID vaccines. He said if he was doing it again, he would do it differently. Wow. So I asked Dr. McCullough his thoughts on that, And then on his thoughts on Robert Kennedy Jr. standing for the Democrats and how that will blow up in the conversation on the left. Then we're going to just a number of reports and studies that have come out. Trida vaccine injury syndromes converges on victims and Dr. McCullough said this is what he's seen more and more regularly. This is the usual syndrome that he is seeing.And long COVID, being vaxxed. So it seems as though there's a correlation with that, talking about mRNA in breast milk and the impact this has on pregnant women and their unborn children.Then the reactivation of funding, federal funding for the Eco Health Alliance, unbelievable, but it is true. Even though they've been discredited, they've now been handed half a million dollars for funding. And then myocarditis, not recovering 80% of six months after vaccination, only 20% of young people are recovering within six months from myocarditis. And Dr. McCullough writes this in his sub stack that you need to go to and delve into this and understand this more deeply. And then we end up with excess deaths. Huge range of topics. And as always, Dr. McCullough brings his expert analysis to all of them.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have back with us once again, the world-renowned cardiologist and chief scientific officer of The Wellness Company.That's Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. McCullough, thank you for your time today.
(Dr Peter McCullough)
Thanks for having me.
Not at all. And I understand that you are one of the most published cardiologists ever in America.I think it was a thousand publications and 660 citations. So you bring a wealth of understanding and knowledge and background to this. So I appreciate your time today.
Thank you. You know, people have always asked, what do all those citations mean?You know, as a general rule in the National Library of Medicine, about 25 citations would qualify somebody to be a professor of medicine. And those who really race up in terms of their academic contributions, it just means they've looked at more data. There's been more scholarship.I focused on heart and kidney disease at interaction, made key discoveries, led key innovative groups, you know, in many areas of medicine. I've led data safety monitoring boards for important drugs, devices, strategies, presented at the European Medicine Agencies, the National Institutes of Health, New York Academy of Sciences. So I was well known in medicine before COVID-19. Now, since the pandemic, I've directed my scholarship entirely to the, pandemic response, have over 60 peer-reviewed publications in this area, including the seminal papers describing the methods of treating COVID-19 to reduce hospitalization and death.
Wow, well I want to delve into the medical side but as I saw you at, as I said before, saw you whenever I was over at CPAC and you were always in many interviews being mobbed, but, if I could ask you some, two political thoughts I had. I saw that Vivek Ramaswamy, who's a candidate for presidential candidate, standing for the Republican side.I think a few days ago, he had said, I think it was the Steve Deace show, that he well, he had had two doses of the jab, but he said that he was duped.And I thought that was quite key. And then he went on to say if he was if he were to do it again, he wouldn't have done it the same way.But that for him to say he was duped, what were your thoughts whenever you heard a presidential candidate saying something like that.You know, we've been looking for some signals from the presidential candidates regarding the vaccines. The COVID-19 vaccine debacle is one of the biggest issues on the minds of Americans, and many of the candidates have been skirting around it. They just haven't addressed where they stood.And congratulations to Steve Deace, a friend of mine who, you know, Ramaswamy is a young man.He doesn't have considerable experience. You know, many think that young candidates, they're largely angling from some experience and maybe a cabinet position. But it was nice when Deace asked him directly about it, where he said he took the two shots, he regretted it. He felt America was duped. That means to be fooled or deceived by the government narrative. Said he would have done things differently. And so he left it open. I think that's journalists like yourself and others will have to ask him, well, what would he have done differently there? A young man like him who's thin and fit, there's no theoretical benefit of the vaccines, just the real harms, the real hard data on fatal and non-fatal vaccine injury syndrome. So he probably felt like he, later on, realized he took a personal risk with his health and regrets it.Now, that's on the Republican side and I'm curious and intrigued to see how that's brought into the debate. But on the Democrat side, you have Robert Kennedy Jr.And whenever he announced he was running, I was fascinated because he would be on the opposite political side as me.But actually, during the last three years, you rub shoulders with people you wouldn't normally. And he has been extremely vocal throughout his whole life on vaccines.And what were your thoughts on that? Because I think that could just blow the whole discussion, because again, you're thinking to the Democrat side, this conversation maybe hasn't been had as fully as maybe on the right.And him stepping into that, to me that changes the whole conversation.It certainly does. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who's the son of the late Bobby Kennedy, our former attorney general, and the nephew of John F. Kennedy, certainly comes from a storied, family history of politics. He's a lifelong Democrat. He's not anti-vaccine. I know him very well. He's simply pushing for safe and effective vaccines. He doesn't want to see any more Americans harmed by vaccine side effects. The benefits of any vaccine are not, compelling enough to have harm done to the population. And we know since 1986, all the vaccine manufacturers have liability protection. So that isn't fair when someone is paralyzed or has a terrible side effect from a vaccine. And I think pretty clearly he believes no one should, receive any pressure, coercion, or threat of reprisal for vaccines. It shouldn't be mandated for school or for employment or military service. And we should have, all the states in the country should have full tripartite vaccine exemptions, meaning philosophical exemption, don't feel like you don't need to take it on philosophical grounds, religious and medical. So there should be freedom. He's pushing for freedom. This is very important. Medical freedom is related to social and economic freedoms. They're all related. And that's what I told America when I gave my Lincoln Memorial address. You know, that was a few minutes before Kennedy was up on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial with me. So I think we're very well aligned on this. You know, what I find interesting is that the COVID Community States Program weighed in from North-eastern University and Harvard, and a huge sample. So they actually figured out who took the vaccine. And the answer is in America, 25% of adult Americans, like me, did not take the vaccine. I didn't take the COVID vaccine. Best decision I ever made. I feel great. I don't have to worry about blood clots or heart damage or any of these lingering effects that we're seeing now. So many people who skipped the vaccine are so grateful they made the right choice. So that 25%, many of them actually suffered reprisal for doing this. They lost their jobs, family strife. There was a lot of unnecessary consequences that happened to people who made the right decision. Now, We only have 60% of the adult Americans who vote, only 60% vote.The 25% who didn't take the vaccine like me are likely to vote.So now we have nearly half of the voting block for the presidency where the vaccine is the issue.And everybody wants to know where do the candidates stand on the failed COVID-19 vaccines.That uptick really intrigued me and it's something that's come out in the UK that we now have a database you can put in your zip code for you over there or postcode and you can find out supposedly the uptake and one of the striking things on that is the booster uptick is around 1 to 2% in many areas and I probably didn't necessarily believe a lot of the data that were getting. But that 25% that didn't, I thought, wow, there's at last some honesty with the figures. And I guess you looking at these figures of the last three years, there's been massive scepticism of the information we're being told.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because as the COVID Community States Program, which was an academic epidemiologic program, as they were reporting 25% unvaccinated, the CDC at that time was reporting 8% unvaccinated.Well, what's the difference? And the answer is the CDC was over counting.If patients forgot their vaccine card, they went to a different pharmacy, they could have had a new card started at the booster stage and been counted again.So we now know that the CDC does not have accurate vaccination data.There tended to be overestimating vaccination.Our CDC is currently reporting 16% booster uptake, and that's almost certainly an overestimate.We need to know booster uptake by time.Because the boosters only last theoretically six months. Clinically, it's about half of that.So no matter who took a booster more than six months ago, they're effectively unvaccinated.
Yeah. If I can just discuss some of the things you've posted, even just the last week on Twitter, and of course, if people go to your Twitter handle, they can get the link to your Substack, the website, everything is there and encourage people to to sign up.Certainly your Substack, which has been a fantastic source of information for many of us.And one of the actually it was America Outloud.com, which I know you write for, had the headline you put up a few days ago was try to vaccine injury syndromes converges on victims.It said amongst the most common and frustrating COVID-19 vaccine injury syndromes are small fibre neuropathy, pleurodynia and POTS, which I can't even pronounce what's there, and you had a lady who came on and acted as if she was going to see her doctor and discussed what, but tell us about some, because we hear all different side effects and we'll maybe touch on myocarditis a little bit, but it was those three coming together and it seems to be every week, every two weeks, there's another issue that comes up.
It's true, but this triad that I pointed out far and away is the most common constellation. I've been seeing patients now with vaccine injuries now for two years, you know, steady flow in the clinic, so I really have a good handle on this.And so the triage is the following. One is pleurodynia, just some nonspecific chest pain.Sometimes it hurts to cough or take a deep breath or laugh. Sometimes when they put pressure on the chest, one can feel pain, which is called pleurodynia. The next one is a small fibre neuropathy, that is feeling numbness and tingling, prickling in the hands and the feet, usually sometimes the back of the legs.And then the third is POTS or Posterior Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome. And patients will recognize this because their heart rate unexpectedly will shoot up when they're doing nothing, then go down. Blood pressure up and down. When they exercise, things seem to be out of proportion to what they need in terms of exercise, and they feel generally unwell. And so I was lucky enough to have a patient reach out to me. She's very sophisticated, and she gave consent, and she told us her story and she had that triad.And I went through the questions I would ask her, the tests I would order to rule out serious problems like myocarditis, like major problems in the central nervous system, et cetera.And then what medicinal empiric approach would I take?And for the pleurodynia, the drug I prescribed the most is called Colchicine.This is a form of an anti-inflammatory. There's about two dozen trials in acute COVID-19 showing that it plays a role. So we know it's helpful there.The largest one of note's called the CO-Corona trial done out of the Montreal Heart Institute, over 4,000 subjects, probably the best and largest outpatient COVID study.So colchicine is also used to treat gout and forms of inflammation.So it seems to be very important for the pleurodinium.For the POTS, the posterior orthostatic tachycardia syndrome.That's actually too much adrenaline being released from the sympathetic chain of ganglia in the neck as well as the adrenal glands.And I found that it was a relatively underutilized beta blocker called Natalo, which has what's called intrinsic sympathomimetic activity.It seems to modulate the alpha and beta receptors just the way we need in order for that nervous system feedback loop to the brain to be corrected.And then the final triage in this entire problem is actually dissolving the spike protein itself, which is loaded up with COVID-19, the illness and serial vaccines.Remember, we get spike protein in our body, we can't get it out for months, if not a year or more, after the infection, as well as the vaccines. Each shot of the vaccine installs large amounts of spike protein.There we're utilizing nattokinase.Nattokinase is a natural enzyme that's derived from the fermentation of soy is discovered by the Japanese.A bacteria that breaks it down is Bacillus subtilis natto.And it creates this fermented product as an enzyme. The Japanese have been using it for over a thousand years.That is eat consuming natto. But we now have a supplement they've used for about two decades.They use it for cardiovascular applications. a form of a blood thinner, so it's a serious supplement to take. The current recommended dose is 2,000 fibrinolytic units or 100 milligrams twice a day, it's well within the range of safety. It's been safety tested up to 80,000 units at a single time, so it's well within the safety limit.The caveats are bleeding, mucosal bleeding from the nose or mouth, and then a soy allergies.Otherwise, it is a safe supplement.It's not immediate that this three-component therapeutic program works, but most patients after two months, they start to come back and they start to feel like they're on the way back.So I wanted to share that. Many of the doctors that are sought out nowadays are with The Wellness Company.I advise that company as a chief scientific officer so they're well aware of that approach.But I have to tell you, that's my most common approach I use in clinic and I'm glad we finally found something that can help people through this.I've tried hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fluvoxamine, prednisone, a whole variety of different drugs and I've really settled on these three. Two prescription drugs and then one over-the-counter supplement.
That's really helpful. And I think many people are concerned that if they did have any of these and they went to see their normal doctor, that actually in the doctor's mind would not be thinking that actually these could be related and therefore their concerns could be dismissed.I agree. The first question a patient should ask a doctor is, did they take the COVID vaccine and did they push it on their patients?And if they did, the patient ought to have a serious conversation with it because that doctor made some grave mistakes with his or her own healthcare and obviously pushed a dangerous vaccine on their patients.And we now know large numbers of people have died after the vaccine, have suffered injuries or disabilities, and those doctors really owe their patients an apology.
There was another tweet, you said, most people with long COVID are vaxxed, so multiple spike protein exposures are making Americans sick.And I know I've talked to UK friends and US friends, they seem to think the solution to long COVID is getting a booster and another booster.And tell me, tell us about that, because people are ill and with long COVID and some people it's quite a dark journey.
It's true. Long COVID, remember this occurred before the vaccine, so the respiratory illness clearly causes it. It almost exclusively occurs in people who are sick enough to be hospitalized, about 50% will have it. They feel generally unwell, weight loss of skeletal muscle, hair loss, skin and nail changes, headache, ear ringing, fatigue, brain fog. It really bothers people.Now, with lesser degrees of severity of COVID, there's less and less long COVID.The best way to prevent it is actually early treatment.If we can snuff out the virus very early and get relatively little exposure to the virus in the body, that's the best way to do it.We again believe what's driving this is the pathogenic spike protein, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.Now, the vaccines install more spike protein.So there's no way the vaccine can make it better. It's going to clearly make it worse.But what we have in many countries, a good example is Australia, I was just there a few months ago.Virtually all of Australia was pre-vaccinated.They were all pre-vaccinated. Because the vaccines don't work, they get COVID anyway.So those who are having long COVID, it's far more severe in Australia because they've been pre-vaccinated and they've been loaded with the spike protein.So then we have to work our way out of it. But I wouldn't want anybody to think we should take a vaccine to reduce the chances of long COVID because the vaccines don't work, people get COVID anyway, and it just makes the long COVID syndromes worse.And so as we sit here today, a paper by Claussen and colleagues from Harvard suggests that 94% of Americans have already had COVID.I've already told you 75% took vaccines. So anybody with long COVID likely has had both exposures.
Yeah, absolutely. There was another study or news piece from Trialsite News and that was on maternal mortality skyrocketing, gestational thrombotic complications up and MRA in the breast milk. And I think the MRA in the breast milk, that should fill a lot of people with big concern. I know that's been talked about before, but I mean, tell us about this because you end that tweet by saying COVID vaccine should never have been allowed in pregnant women.
Early in 2021, Dr. Raphael Stricker in San Francisco, who runs, by the way, the largest fetal loss centre in the United States, he's an expert. He's an allergist, immunologist, but he's an expert on pregnant women and losing their babies. And Dr. Stricker and I published in trial site news that the COVID-19s were vaccine category X, and that's a regulatory category saying that they have a dangerous mechanism of action. They install the lethal spike protein in the body, and we have no experience in pregnant women. They were excluded from randomized trials and no assurances would be safe to the woman or the baby, none whatsoever.So it's pregnancy category X. It's very important. Pregnant women should have never taken the vaccine. Never, never. It doesn't matter what the doctors say. Pregnant women are responsible for themselves, their bodies, and their babies. Now, pregnant women have a lower risk of severe COVID outcomes as shown by Pinellas and colleagues in a paper in Annals of Internal Medicine. So, we weren't worried about pregnant women. If they got severe COVID, they're treatable, you know, and we can treat them with an array of drugs. By the way, hydroxychloroquine, very safe in pregnancy. We've, you know, it's been actually dedicated pregnancy studies with hydroxy. So, so we know for sure it's safe, as is aspirin, prednisone, and the other drugs that we normally use.Now, what's coming out is very, very disturbing. First, last summer in JAMA, a paper by Hannah and colleagues showed that breastfeeding women who take the vaccine, they actually are transmitting the messenger RNA through milk to the babies.And this is a terrible, very worrisome finding. Now genetic material getting into the bodies of recently arrived babies in the world.No idea what this is gonna do to the children. It can't be good.It's definitely not natural.The next piece of information came, first author is Hoyert, a single author paper, analysing data from the National Centre for Health Statistics.And there, it's published on the CDC website, March of 2023, showing record maternal mortality.That is, women dying during pregnancy or 42 days after the pregnancy.That was the definition according to their highest risk group, African Americans, but at all groups. They've erased progress in maternal mortality. Now, in the same sub-stack, I juxtapose the CDC report that indicates 65% of pregnant women have either taken the vaccine, ill-advised, before or during pregnancy. Despite our warnings that it's pregnancy category X, now we have the tragic case that unfolded last week of the death of U.S. Olympic sprinter Tori Bowie. And what we know there is this is just absolutely terrible. She's found dead at home, and she's seven months pregnant. The U.S. Track and Field Association has mandated COVID-19 vaccination, so they've been silent now. USTAF and family have been silent on whether or not she took the vaccine. But the concern is that she took it, and she had a fatal complication, either blood clot, heart damage, or some type of intracranial catastrophe.
Wow, wow. And of course, we have learned, I think just could have been yesterday, about the reactivation of federal funding for Eco Health Alliance. To touch on that, because obviously,your government, our government, they haven't learned anything over these last three years.
I think it's very intentional. Peter Daszak, who's the president of the Eco Health Alliance, they're basically an NIH contractor. They work with academic groups. They take the blueprint for viruses that are basically engineered in the lab by computer modelling by US researchers, and then they shuttle the plans over to the Chinese or other Asian countries where the the work is done in order to create new viruses.Daszak was involved in shuttling over the plans from Ralph Baric to create the chimeric SARS-CoV-2 virus.And Baric published this in 2015 in Nature Communications and proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.They created SARS-CoV-2 and published the methods and how they did it, chimeric parts, of a virus from a bat, parts of a virus from a known coronavirus in order to get it to invade a human respiratory epithelial tract. Peter Daszak, early in 2021, led a group of doctors.After they had met on a conference call with Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and Jeremy Farrar from the Wellcome Trust in the UK, Daszak led a group of authors to publish one of a series of papers. It was a dozen academic papers that were intentionally fraudulent. They were deceiving the public, describing the virus came out of nature when Daszak himself knew it came out of basically his plans that he drew up with Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. This was an intentional cover-up campaign. This came out in the U.S. House Select Committee for the Coronavirus Origins, led by House Representative Comer, and it's shocking that the NIH, and actually the branch that Fauci used to lead, the NationalImmunology Infectious Disease and Allergy Branch, that they actually released his former R01 grant.His R01 grant was distilled to look among different bats to try to find viral strains that could jump into humans. I mean, it's just simply asking for trouble. Daszak is off, and you know, these are small grants, it was only about $500,000. It's not the size of the grant that matters, it's the fact that he's going to be able to now shuttle academic capital to Asia. Daszak says that now he's going to take this to the Duke University branch in Singapore, but the grant describes the bat caves in China going right back to the same work. So you're right. It appears as if the NIH is wilfully blind to this active cover-up.They don't care.They're pursuing this biological threat research. They must have been given orders high up to continue to do this.We have the National Security Administration, the FBI,Department of Energy and NIH, the House and the Senate all agreeing that the origin of SARS-CoV-2 was the lab. It was a US innovation contracted to the Chinese, and it leaked out of the lab in Wuhan, China. But to continue to pursue this, many are saying, and I agree, that it's reckless, it's irresponsible, and it really shows deep complicity that the biopharmaceutical complex is at work creating more biological threats for the world. And Peter Daszak is leading the way.
Well, let's certainly watch what happens on that. On the, back to the specific medical side.You had written a piece on your website, and I think the headline was, myocarditis not recovering 80% at six months after vaccination. Tell us about it, because again, people are expecting that the body can recover quickly, but this says that only 20% of people with that had recovered over six months.
Another disturbing report, this comes from Yale School of Medicine. They had 17 young teenagers in the hospital with myocarditis.Remember, teenagers should be going to high school. They shouldn't be hospitalized with myocarditis. They ill-advised took one of the COVID-19 vaccines and they got in deep trouble.Sky-high troponin levels showing heart damage, probably had chest pain, shortness of breath, arrhythmias, other manifestations, and they undergo serial MRIs. Now, they did rule out any exposure to COVID, so that was very clean. This is purely due to the vaccine.And they found that in 80%, the MRI at 200 days was not getting better. 20% it got better. You know, these small areas of late gadolinium enhancement that we see on MRI, they should resolve. Previous work done years ago by Bruckman and colleagues from Germany showed that the heart can remodel a small area of inflammation. I'm concerned that the genetic material, Pfizer and Moderna, is sufficiently long-lasting, the spike protein long-lasting, the body keeps producing more of it, that the children have ongoing cardiac injury and it's not clearing up on MRI.This could leave some to have a scar, and when they have a scar they could be at increased risk for two things, heart failure later on in life or cardiac arrest, particularly with sports.Wow, and on sports, we've seen a number of sports stars. The papers seem to be regularly full of another sports star having retired early or having complications.I mean, tell us about, because the stories are there, but maybe the dots are not necessarily being joined up.
Well, let's take the issue of death in young people. There's a paper on my substack that I quote from about 15 years ago, and you can find it on the Courageous Discourse sub-stack, but it was basically describing death among college students. It does happen rarely.But the point of the paper was 87% of the time, we know the cause of death.Readily apparent, you know, cancer or suicide or homicide or a drug overdose, motor vehicle accident.What we're seeing now is scores of athletes, scores, sudden death and no explanation, no explanation at all.And it's called died suddenly, Edward Dowd has compiled an entire monograph on this in the life insurance roles of sudden unexplained death skyrocketing, mortality skyrocketing in every system.John Stockton, former Utah Jazz star, is keeping track of the athletes in the United States and there's hundreds now that have died, have died on the court or in practice.It seems to be the adrenaline that precipitates the sudden death with vaccine-induced myocarditis.And we knew actually before the COVID vaccines that we can't let young people with myocarditis exercise because it will trigger a sudden death event. So we knew this ahead of time.And what's happened is the sports teams have mandated the vaccines, but they haven't provided any safety safeguards for the athletes. And so they suffer heart damage. And then during competition, we never know who's going to have a cardiac arrest. Polycritus and myself analysed this issue, using really just a blog, a public blog of European athletes went down. But it's pretty rigorous. There had to be four or more reports, and you could easily identify that the athlete went down. And the data showed this, that before COVID-19, in the stable period of about 10 or 15 years before COVID-19, the number of cardiac arrests in Europe in the professional leagues, mainly soccer and rugby, but you call football.Age 35 and below, pro and semi-pro, number of cardiac arrests 29 per year.Now, fast forward with vaccination and in 2021 forward, that number came out now, you know, comparing apples to apples, 283. So there's about a tenfold increased risk of sudden death with mass-mandated COVID-19 vaccination. We have clear fatal cases of the COVID-19 vaccines causing myocarditis and sudden death with autopsies, so we know it's happening. And now the great concern is so many athletes have taken it, and they want to know what to do. They have great regret. It's been an absolute horror for our athletes unnecessarily to be vaccinated.A story that came out just today, and again we're seeing headlines that we wouldn't have seen a year ago, I think you're probably the same there, but the headline was, I had to reread this four or five times, the headline in the Daily Mirror was, Brits are dying in their tens of thousands and we don't really have any idea why.And they talked about between May and December 2022, that 32,000 excess deaths.And to have a headline that honest, we really have no idea.That's telling. And I'm assuming, I don't know whether it's in the States, whether you are beginning to, the media are beginning to drop little headlines like that in to begin to have the conversation or not yet.No, it's starting to happen. I was on national TV this morning and the morning anchor mentioned death after vaccination, so it's starting to come up.What we know is that every mortality system is reporting skyrocketing mortality, primarily of younger individuals.A paper published by Skidmore in BMC Infectious Diseases estimated in 2021 that 278,000 Americans had died due to the vaccine. And that matches roughly what VAERS was reporting for that year with a multiplier of about 30. It's very consistent with a paper from Columbia, same year, Pentecost and Seligman. So we have multiple sources of data. We think we lost about a quarter million Americans in the first year of the campaign due to the vaccine, a similar number in the next year.We may be over 600,000. Now, that's going to exceed the amount of casualties we had in the civil war. So this is a very, very serious problem. The vaccines were considered a wartime countermeasure. So the government agencies didn't consider it a public health measure.It's not considered like a standard pharmaceutical. It's considered like basically a war initiative, where there's going to be casualties. And boy, have there been casualties with this vaccine. So, before COVID, the general mortality that we had in the United States, or in UK for that matter, is known. And then it's 40% known antecedent heart disease, 40% known cancer, or 20% other causes. But in the vast majority, it's known. Death is not a mystery in our countries. And what we're seeing now is just a large fraction where they've taken a vaccine and they've died, and the official cause of death is unknown.And when autopsies are done, two papers, one by Schwab, one by Chavez, and there's been probably about 100 necropsy studies that we're compiling at this stage, they show that when an autopsy is done, 70 to 80% of the time, they have a clear-cut cause of death that's, related to the vaccine. Fatal myocarditis, fatal intracranial haemorrhage or clotting, blood clots and pulmonary embolism, or one of the fatal immunologic syndromes. These are published in well-described vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenic peria, multi-system inflammatory disease. So we have a huge scientific base that's indicating the vaccines are essentially killing large numbers of people worldwide.And is it possible that we could get to the point where any of these companies are liable for it, or is it irrelevant who's in the White House because they've been given that protection?
People have said that two conditions may ultimately drop liability shields.The broad liability is not only from the 1986 Vaccine Indemnification Act, but also from the 2005 Prep Act, which says, listen, if we have an invasion of SARS-CoV-2, it's like a war. And so the wartime countermeasures are all, you know, have immunity. But the, two conditions are fraud, that if the public was defrauded by the vaccine manufacturers or the government agencies that were advancing them, the employers that were forcing them.And then the other is actually malicious intent, that indeed, if it was intentionally designed to be harmful, maybe documents would, you know, identify intent. But fraud and malicious intent are the two things that lawyers are looking at most closely. Because, you know, some of these cases are very obvious. Some take the vaccine, they die right in the vaccine centre, or they die the next day. Now, in the UK, as well as the United States, our government, by the way, holds both datasets. They have the entire death database, and they have the vaccine administration database. And if they merge them, we can see how many people die in the first day, in the second day, and look at the temporal relationship. Any death within 30 days, according to regulatory practice, should be assigned to the new drug, in this case the COVID-19 vaccine.And what's the, I mean, I had Tom Fitton on a few days ago from Judicial Watch, and they use freedom of information requests, which we have the same system here.They use it at another level than I've seen before. But will that have to be used as a way to get the data?Because obviously some of the data that had been released from Pfizer, there's so much and it's still been gone through.Will it have to be other freedom of information requests to get more of this data to actually put the jigsaw together.
It's true. Well, you point out that the pharmaceutical companies kept their own separate safety data by obligation to the U.S. FDA for 90 days after release. So anything that happens 90 days after they release the product, they have to record everything. Pfizer had recorded 1,223 deaths within a few hours or a few days of taking their vaccine. So it should have been off the market in January of 2021, and Pfizer did not want to release that to the American public. They got a lawyer. The lawyer for the FDA wanted to block it for 55 years. So that was evidence that the US government is colluding with Pfizer to basically hide safety data in the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna still has not released their 90-day data, neither has Janssen or Novavax. So immediately, there should be strong calls for release of the safety data. It should be done under the prosecutorial power of the U.S. Congress, Senate, Department of Justice, Freedom of Information Act, but that's pretty slow and that's citizen-driven. We need our government agencies to step up and have the companies release the data. I mean, I want to know, is Moderna the same or even worse than Pfizer?I suspect it is, because all the studies that directly compared Moderna and Pfizer show greater toxicity with Moderna. There's a paper by Busby and colleagues on myocarditis that showed that.So, you know, our regulatory agencies, FDA, CDC, NIH, MHRA in the UK, and TGA in Australia, they have grossly let us down. They're actually participating in a fraudulent cover-up of a worldwide COVID-19 vaccine safety debacle.Just my final thought about you as a medical professional, and I've talked to UK doctors and they find it extremely difficult.Those who have spoken up, they've been punished. They've been pulled in front of disciplinary committees.And I know you've suffered as well. What is what is that like?And can doctors be vocal about their concerns or really have many had to stay quiet and how has it affected you?Doctors all need to step up. People are dying. They've died with the virus, untreated, and they've died now with the vaccine. This is not a time for doctors to be silent. They need to be bold and relentless, bring the truth forward. I haven't had a single doctor of my medical standing, the chief of medicine or division chief in cardiology or other medical specialty, actually ever look me in the eyes or send me an email or give me a call on the phone.Not a single one. They're absolutely ashamed of themselves. And I've had attacks from anonymous fact checkers making false claims. I've had attacks through certified letter or email, essentially trying to strip me of all my credentials. And every one of these attempts, I just get stronger. I've got a very, very strong voice out there in the world right now, and everybody knows it. I've given more media analysis. I've done more publications, more stage presentations on this issue than all the public health officials combined.And you can't find an area where I've been wrong or where I've been inconsistent.My views have changed as the virus has mutated, but I've been accurate and you know, the world knows it.And because I have so much media exposure, I have more than the public health officials.The world is coming to me and doctors in my circles for the truth.I think these government agencies and the biopharmaceutical complex is in trouble, and they're looking for the exits right now.We've had Francis Collins, head of the NIH, retire prematurely.Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID.We've seen now Rochelle Lewinsky, just two and a half years in the CDC, and a young woman, very junior, now leave the CDC. People are heading for the exits because they know they've committed wrongdoing.Dr. Peter McCullough, thank you so much for your time today. It's an honour to speak with you. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. Be sure to follow me on my website, petermcullochmd.com.Make sure you check in my podcast, McCulloch Report on America Out Loud Talk Radio, 2 p.m.Eastern, Saturday and Sunday on the Apple iHeart Podcast Network starting on Tuesday.My book, Courage to Face COVID-19, and I'm starting a new TV show, full investigative TV show in Dallas on AFN Network with bestselling author John Leake.It's called The Second Opinion. I'll see you there or start in June.Thanks so much for having me on the program.

The Week According To . . . Dr Niall McCrae

Dr Niall McCrae is back in the hot seat for his regular reviewing spot as we look at a couple of recent articles he has written and he offers his unbridled thoughts on some of the news stories that have caught our attention this week including...- The MPs answers to ten big questions.- Empty polling stations – are we still living in a democracy?- Covid: The destruction of medical ethics .- Andrew Bridgen GB News debate, Spiked and Pfizer.- Brits are dying in their tens of thousands....and we don't really have any idea why.- Justin Welby is 'wrong' to condemn Illegal Migration Bill as 'morally unacceptable'.- Britain’s services exports are booming despite Brexit. Why?- Starbucks sacks trans worker who accused female customer of being transphobic in 'confrontation over being misgendered'- Fears for free speech after journalists’ union refuses to defend gender-critical members
MPs answers to the ten big questions...
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/toeing-the-party-line-mps-answers-to-the-ten-big-questionsDr Niall McCrae is an officer for ‘Covid coercion in the workplace’ for the Workers of England trade union, the only union standing up for workers' rights and freedoms in the UK during these troubled times.From 2010 to 2021 he was a senior lecturer in mental health at King’s College London, and he continues to write on mental health matters.He was also a senior researcher for David Kurten and Peter Whittle on the London Assembly.His publications include several books including ‘Moralitis: a Cultural Virus’ (with Robert Oulds), ‘The Moon and Madness’, ‘Echoes from the Corridors’ (with Peter Nolan) and ‘The Year of the Bat’ (with MLR Smith).He is a regular contributor to Unity News Network, Gateway Pundit, Lockdown Sceptics, The Salisbury Review and The Light.Follow Niall on gab social @Dr_Niall_McCraehttps://www.workersofengland.co.uk/Originally broadcast live 13.5.23
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Transcript
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Dr. Niall McCrae. Thank you so much for being with us today.
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Always good to be on on a Saturday evening with you, Peter.
What else would you be doing apart from having a one-hour chat with me?Always good fun. So let's play the first one.ChrisDavis33 is first on on GETTR. There you go. No prizes, but good to see you. Anyone else, put your comments and let us know how you're watching, as in where you are in the world.Always good to get an idea. We've got probably a 30%, 30% US, 60% UK and elsewhere. And if you see our nice, do you see the logo? We've just put a half a Stars and Stripes behind our oak and half a Union Jack. So we've tweaked a little bit to represent you, our viewer. But this was a There's a one minute comedy clip that James Wells had put up.I think Steve Kirsch also put it up. So let's play this.
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I regret having gotten the, I really regret having gotten the vaccine.I'm sure it's fine, but I just wish when the state told me to do something, I'd be the sort of person who said no.But it turns out, I'm the sort of person who says, fine, I don't understand, you're telling me it's important, okay, and all they had to do was say, you won't be allowed to go into pubs for like a month, and I was like, put it in me.That's what I'm upset about, is that I had a principle, temporarily.Like, oh, if I was in Nazi Germany, I would have stood up to the regime.I wouldn't stand up to not being able I go to a pub for a month.I would have been like, Anne Frank, she's in that attic.There, I saw her. It doesn't matter what the point of principle was.The point is I would have been a chill.And that, I have to live with that for the rest of my three or four more years before I have a heart attack.Always good to start with a laugh. I think humour is one thing It's probably taken us through the last three years.I don't know about you, but I've certainly enjoyed many of the memes and artists people like Bob Moran, Abi Roberts, I mean tons of people who've helped us all through it.
Oh yes, indeed. And a feature of the anti-lockdown rallies was the positivity and, humour and just humanity, really. They were trying to quash us. They were trying to to oppress us and deprive us of our kind of vitality.And it didn't work. And like you say, humour is one of the most powerful things.
Definitely didn't work.Let's go to the next story. We might have a slight delay in sound, but let's bring it up.I'll read it and then we'll take it from there. And this is an article by Niall himself.And this is the Conservative Women who are regularly are the only voice on this issue.And they've blazed a trail and speaking truth on this when many others wouldn't.And this piece is towing the party line, MPs answers to the 10 big questions.And in this, I'll just read the first few lines. What do our parliamentary representatives really think about climate change, COVID-19, migrant channel crossings and transgenderism?Two months ago, I presented 10 questions for readers to send to their MPs.By the time of writing, 14 MPs had responded with 11 sets of answers.So you'd put a range of questions down and members of the public have taken those and sent them on to their MPs.And the answers have come back. And I, again, the link to this, if you're watching on, certainly on Rumble, the link will be there in the description.We will certainly be reposting this, if my mod team can hear me, on our social medias.But of course you can find it on Niall's Gab account.Neil, tell us a little bit about this, because what were you expecting?And tell us the response that you got back.Boris Johnson got that huge majority in December 2019, big mandate, and he could potentially have done everything that was pledged in the manifesto. Then COVID-19 came along and, well, you know, whatever you believe about COVID, let's just say that that was certainly a disruptor to the whatever program that Boris Johnson was going to carry out. But if you look at his behaviour, you know, once the sort of urgency of COVID, you know, that first wave, once that settled down, Boris Johnson went straight into this build back better mode, didn't he?Which is all about focusing on climate change.And he was allowing all this, he did nothing really to stop the Black Lives Matter, woke wave in summer 2020.And now that leads me to why we did this 10 questions for MPs.Because when you think about it, Peter, and I'm sure your viewers will be well aware of this, is that almost everything that's being done by those who are leading us are not things that we asked for.None of us asked for mass uncontrolled immigration. None of us asked for net zero.None of us asked for, well, I mean, obviously there was plenty of people that were in support of the COVID regime, but that wasn't part of the manifesto.None of us asked for our teachers in schools to be telling children that they can be whatever gender they want, and this transgenderism ideology.So there's all these things going on.The most prominent things going on in our society that none of us have asked for.So I put together a series of 10 questions for constituents to send to their MPs.And we got responses from just a few. It's just not a scientific survey.We don't know how many MPs were sent the questions, but we got responses from Rishi Sunak, no less, and some of his ministers, mostly Tory MPs.And we, I had this article published on Conservative Women two days ago.Since then, I've had two more responses. So it's just added to it a little bit.So there's an updated version going up on new Conservative website on Monday.But the thing is, Peter, that the sample size would sound very small.So 16 MPs, of which only 13 have actually provided a full set of answers to 10 questions.But what we found, you know, I used to teach research methods in university.And with qualitative research, something you teach is saturation point.Saturation point is where there's no point in carrying on interviewing people, because you're getting the same answers.And we very, very quickly reached what we might call saturation point with our responses to these questions.They are all following the narrative.There is hardly any. I mean, one of the respondents was John Redwood, and he was only one that gave any sign of scepticism about things that were going on, and even then only limited.Look, they're all following the narrative, it's like they're in a parallel universe and you know if anyone wants to look at the response to those, answers given by MPs go on the Conservative Women website where there's a couple of hundred comments from people, you know, just saying, if this is who's leading us, then we really are in trouble.And let me just, just as we finish, the questions are, do you believe there is a climate change?Do you believe that COVID was a deadly pandemic? Do you believe that lockdown was necessary?Do you believe COVID vaccines are safe and effective? So I have to even laugh whenever safe and effective is used now. Do you support billions of pounds of military supplies going to Ukraine? Do you regard the tens of thousands of people crossing the English Channel as refugees?Do you believe it's safe for dozens of undocumented male migrants to be housed in our towns or boats?Do you support teaching of transgender ideology to our children?If you do not agree with any of the above, what are you doing to oppose such a policy?And finally, what is a woman? I mean, it's a beautiful range of questions, Niall.I'd encourage everyone, the article there, toeing the party line on conservative women.
Yes, and it's not too late for anyone who's watching tonight, if you want to take those questions and send them to your own GP, MP, sorry. And I'm always willing to update and refresh the results. A couple of interesting things about who answered the questions. So got 16 responses but only 13 actually really answered the questions. Only one of them was female. You know, we have all this much better female representation now, at least in numbers, but the reality is this type of woman who's representing us in Parliament has got little interest in the ordinary wishes of women and girls, for example, to have safe spaces.Their own toilets in a theatre, for example, they don't really care. The type of woman who is in Parliament, they don't care. And I reckon that the question in that survey, what is a woman, that made him think, I'm not going to get into this.Too much for the minefield.
Yeah. Well, let's move on to something a little bit different, which is the election. Is this the election, ProJam?No. Let's pull up the election story. Obviously, we've had local elections, and this one was another very good article from Niall McCrae.A pattern here. You have to check out Niall on The Conservative Woman. It just happened these were the first two stories. But on this, empty polling stations, are we still living in a democracy?And Niall, you were pointing out that in many parts of the country the turnout was 30%.Which meant 70%. And I always kind of used, when I was growing up, thinking, well if people don't vote is up to them, it's their problem. But actually, everyone has to participate in the democratic process. If people don't participate, then it's no longer a democratic process. But tell us about your thoughts on this, that people can find on The Conservative Woman.Yes, well, are we living in a democracy when the vast majority of people don't vote? Now, obviously the rebuttal of that is that everyone can vote, you know, it's up to them and if they don't vote that's their own fault.But the trouble is that increasingly, certainly the last three years, people have woken up more and more to the fact that we're run by a uni-party.It doesn't matter whether you've got a Labour government or a Tory government and if we had a Lib Dem government or a Green Party government, we'd still get the same policies.There might be a slightly different flavour and there might be a slightly different presentation, but it would be basically the same thing that's going on.And what we're seeing increasingly, Peter, is that this isn't just something that applies to national government.Up and down the country, you've got councils introducing 15-minute cities and 20-minute neighbourhoods, low traffic schemes, that sort of thing, and they try and make out as if this is just something they've made up themselves, you know, to like make the air healthier and make the, you know, reduce pollution and so on.They're lying to us.This is all Agenda 2030.Right, or Agenda 21, it's basically the same ideas. This is United Nations, this is a globalist, this is a World Economic Forum. It doesn't matter who you've got representing you in your local council, your city chambers, or in Westminster, or in the devolved assemblies in Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, it doesn't matter, they're all following the same agenda, as they are in all other developed countries. And people have woken up to this and unfortunately the response is not to all get behind some new party that's going to, overturn this establishment. It's very, very hard to do that. I mean there are some people working very hard such as David Kurten of the Heritage Party, Robin Tilbrook of the English Democrats, for example, and Andrew Bridgen joined Lawrence Fox's reclaimed party. But it is extremely difficult. I mean, we saw that with UKIP. Very, very, very difficult to get. You saw it with the Brexit party. They did very well in the last European elections, but they were not going to get anywhere, not get a single MP in the general election that followed soon after.So it's very, very difficult. And so people are responding to this situation by simply not voting at all, or going and spoiling their paper, saying none of the above, or more choice language than that. And I don't blame people. I don't blame people for feeling that it's futile voting. I wish there was a good party that we could get behind that would readily change things, but there just isn't that at the moment. But as I say, I do admire the people who are trying to change that situation.
Can I ask just your thoughts for a minute on that, because I'm the same as you on the side-lines regarding political parties, and I couldn't, I would have difficulty voting at the moment for anyone. And I love what David's done with the Heritage Party. The English Democrats are wonderful in what they're doing.But with Andrew Bridgen speaking at that event I was at today, a name joining reclaim, I'm intrigued by that because he could have stayed as an independent but he's joined a party.Obviously reform were not an option because they've jab, jab, jab.I guess English Democrats could have been an option that's because heritage.But I'm wondering will that, not that that will change the whole landscape of British politics, no.But I think that will be a nudge, quite a big change and what are your thoughts on that?
Yes, I've heard people raising this question, why didn't he stay as an independent? What you've got to try and do is put yourself in the shoes of Andrew Bridgen and, you know, David Kurten and I, who, you know, just mentioned a while ago, we've had many chats. David's been a keen student of cultural Marxism for many years. And, you know, one of the books that David and I often talk about is Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals. And, you know, the people that are in charge now are basically the anti-establishment types of the 60s and 70s. And they're now in charge, they've created a new establishment. And one of the rules for radicals is that if there's somebody kicking up some opposition to what you're doing, then you isolate them, you target them, you really freeze your focus on that person, and you make their life utterly intolerable. And that's exactly what was happening with Andrew Bridgen. Has any man been so disproportionately targeted in the last year or so? I mean, we can think of some other examples as well, such as Tommy Robinson or Julian Assange, but at the moment, it's Andrew Bridgen. And so I don't blame him at all for joining a party, a party that stands for free speech, and that he's now a member of a group. He's got people with him to support him. And I think that's important for the establishment to know, that if they do try and isolate people and persecute them, then there are sanctuaries.And that's what I see the Reclaim party as being, you know, Reclaim has got some quite, you know, genuine, really genuine people like Calvin Robinson involved. I've never been quite sure about Lawrence Fox, but he says a lot of the right things. He's doing a lot of the right things, but Martin Daubney was involved as well. So they've got some good people. And I don't blame Andrew Bridgen at all for taking the decision that he did.
We'll see a play out in British politics.Let's stay on the Conservative Woman, but we are leaving the authorship of Dr. McCrae.Dr. Ahmed Malik, someone who is new onto my scene, and probably new into many people's scenes.He has written this piece for Conservative Woman, COVID, the Destruction of Medical Ethics and Trust in the Medical Profession, Part 1.It is a fascinating read from a doctor, someone who has qualified 25 years ago and he gave some of his story in this.And he talks about, just starts, when it comes to the last three years, there's a lot I do not know. What I do know is that I have many questions.Was the pandemic a plandemic?It certainly felt like it. Did the virus skip from a lab? What exactly is a virus?What's the role of the US Department of Defence?And he delves into this. And I am thankful to doctors like this for putting their thoughts down so openly and honestly in this article and it gives us an insight into their experience and how they're seeing things because many of us do not have a medical background and therefore we look at things through a simple lens.But Niall, it's people like Dr. Malik actually writing pieces like this and opening it up that will really help us the public.Yeah it's very necessary and you know there's some controversy about Dr.Asseem Malhotra the cardiologist you know because he'd been shilling for the the vaccines early on, but I think we have to give people...The opportunity, the potential, to change their mind. And I think that's what Dr. Malhotra has done.Andrew Bridgen has done that. Ahmed Malik goes a lot further, I think, than Asseem Malhotra.He's questioning the whole basis of the pandemic or pseudo-pandemic, as I see it.This article that you're bringing up is a really useful read because what we've seen over the last three years is a departure from medical ethics.And people may be aware of the white rose people that do the stickers that people put up on lampposts.Many of these stickers are about, if you wondered why the people of Germany fell for the Third Reich, now you know, because all the doctors and nurses in 1930s Germany were on board, you know.And how did that happen?And, you know, partly this was about them just keeping their heads down, but they also enjoyed the pedestal that they were being put on as officers of the regime.And Ahmed Malik has stepped away from that and he has reminded us what are the true ethics of medicine.And they are autonomy, justice, first do no harm.And beneficence, as in that's all doing good. And the first one of them, autonomy, was the one that was most controversially ditched.People were coerced into taking these experimental injections.But the other three principles as well, were just simply no longer followed.And I found this very difficult, Peter, because I sat on an NHS Research Ethics Committee for many years.And these principles were really important that you always stuck to them.Didn't matter how much you thought this research proposal was interesting.If they were going to be doing something which in any way threatened any of these principles, then you would reject the application. And that was for research. Well, this is for the whole of health care, the whole health care system has been poisoning people with Midazolam.Forcing people to take injections, closing down services, stopping screening and treatment of people with cancer.The mental health impact has been immense. It's really quite dreadful and this is still going on.In fact, in many ways, it's getting worse, where it's getting harder and harder for people to get face-to-face contact with practitioners of a service, national health service, that they've been paying for in their taxes and that they've always lauded and now they find that they're not welcome that um, access is often denied and this is really um quite appalling and so to have doctors like Ahmed Malik stepping out and saying this is not right we we need to get back to proper medical ethics as soon as possible.Yeah. Let's actually touch on that, the Andrew Bridgen as well.I don't know if I sent it over to Projam, we'll not play this, I just want to bring up the tweet.And this is, Andrew, the great vax debate that GB News talked about, and obviously, GB News under Ofcom. This is the regulatory body, communication regulatory body, so they can't say anything which goes against government propaganda. And this was basically Spiked, which is a publication here in the UK, and Andrew Bridgen. It was Fraser Myers from Spiked.And it was, I watched the 13 minutes of it and it's...I would have had respect for Spiked if they had put across a different position in this, but they were simply mocking, smearing, calling Andrew Bridgen anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist.And it was rolling out the terms the government use. And I know an organization has asked if they have received money from Pfizer, and then Andrew Bridgen has said it'd be interesting to see what happens in that. But I mean, what are your thoughts on this, Niall? When we see organizations which generally are there for free speech, full free speech, and yet you're not allowed to talk about this because it's dangerous to question the government line.
Well, Spiked was my favourite website around 2015 to about 2019. It was actually the first website I wrote for.I met Fraser Myers several times and Brendan O'Neill was my favourite writer. I met him once.I thought these were very, very good people. But, you know, others have said to me, well, wait, just be a little bit cautious with how much you like a website that originated in living Marxism, which was a cultural Marxist organization. And people like Claire Fox, who's now sitting in the House of Lords. And Frank Faridi. You know, these are all people that I've really appreciated over the years. But I think what happened with, and their line on Brexit was very, you know, I thought was very, very good. You know, the way that they defended the working class against the sort of metropolitan elites that was trying to impose and, you know, deny them their, you know, the result of the fair election. But COVID showed that they were not quite what what we, people like me naively thought and they seem to take to lockdown and the COVID vaccine regime like a duck to water. I believe this brought out the, a side of them that, you know, they seem to enjoy this statist coup of the COVID regime.And of course, they've been shilling for the vaccines rather too enthusiastically and knocking anyone who, you know, comes, says anything heretical about vaccine injuries like Andrew Bridgen has done. I think they've lost a lot of trust and I think people are wondering what they're really about and I think we do need to look back to how they originated in living Marxism.They are and probably still are at heart cultural Marxists and I think the editor, you know, people call him Tintin, Tom Slater, I think his name is.Yeah, I think that's where they are. And I think for years that they've been fooling us because they've had things that, you know, I'm sure they genuinely believe that, you know, the working class people are being treated badly by the establishment.I'm sure that they really genuinely were writing on that, they were just pretending that they were on our side on that, but COVID has really badly exposed them.And, you know, they chose to write that hit piece on Andrew Bridgen.Andrew Bridgen wasn't coming out looking to attack them.This was a serious own goal. They've lost loads of followers, loads of subscribers and deservedly so, because, you know, if there's one thing that we've had to learn, it's a hard lesson we've had to learn over the last three years, that some of the institutions, some of the people that we liked, that we respected, we've had to think again about some of that and correspondingly people who perhaps we didn't like, organizations we didn't trust.We thought, well, maybe they had something good after all.It's been a steep learning curve for all of us, I think.Yeah. Who thought it would be shoulder to shoulder with Piers Corbyn. It throws out very strange thoughts.But here's the Daily Mirror. This headline really blew my mind.ProJam, if you can just scroll the headline up a little bit.Brits are dying in their tens of thousands.ProJam, can you scroll it up a little bit? So Brits are, no, we're not going to get, yeah, we are.Brits are dying in their tens of thousands, and we don't really have any idea why.And this is looking at excess deaths between May and December 2020 and talks about 32,000 excess deaths. It's this, yeah again the last three years I never thought I would be reading a headline like this that they are seeing the problem still not connecting the dots but it's getting out there that these excess deaths are there and the question is being asked. It's quite unbelievable they refuse to make the connection but it is a headline that will make people think?
Yes, I think so. So the mainstream media are just not going to make that connection, as you say, you know, that you could read numerous articles like this now, all the papers are now covering it, but they simply will not make any link to the vaccine.But, you know, if you think about, you know, there's always been this large number of people, large, you know, maybe 50% of society throughout the COVID years that's been going along with their, you know, believing that the fundamental narrative that there was a deadly virus and they had to wear masks and take the jabs and that sort of thing, but increasingly sort of questioning that over time.And now that it's, you know, no longer in any way an emergency situation, people are asking even more questions from the, you know, because they feel safe to do that now.So when they read an article like this, even though it doesn't mention the vaccine.People will know, they will know from their own friends and family that there are vaccine injuries.And anyone goes on social media now. I mean, Twitter is just ablaze with stuff about the harm being caused by these mRNA injections.So it'd be quite difficult for people not to make that link themselves, even though the mainstream media aren't making it.And one other thing on the deaths, Peter, is I heard today that the NHS stopped reporting, or NHS England, whoever it is, it stopped reporting deaths from blood clots. And I haven't looked into this properly, but that they stopped reporting this back in 2020. Before the vaccine rollout. So they knew this was coming.
Yeah. Well, they knew if they'd written, read what Pfizer, Moderna were holding back. I don't know if they had access to that, but yeah. Let's move on. We'll try and fly through our last, we'll do four stories. This is immigration. This is Wet Welby. I know it's not his speeding ticket, which is a whole other story. I'll leave the viewers to work that out. But this is the debate in Parliament on the immigration bill and this is the telegraph. Justin Welby is wrong to condemn illegal immigration bill as morally unacceptable. The Archbishop was told he was wrong.Speaking in the Lord's, the most reverent Justin Welby warned it risks damaging Britain's reputation at home and abroad and he failed to take a long-term strategic view in immigration challenges and blah blah blah. You expect this from him but the government are trying to deal with the problem and all Welby can do is criticize him because I guess he's an open border, everyone should come to the UK, but what were your thoughts on Welby?
Well I mentioned cultural Marxism a few moments ago and a strategy of cultural Marxism was a long march through the institutions and of course we can see how almost every major institution in society has been well and truly marched through, not least the Church of England. I sometimes want to ask these people, although I'll never get the chance. And even if I did ask it, I probably wouldn't get a straight answer from them. I'd like to ask Welby...Where would you draw the line? What would be your limit? Because right now, there are pictures of tens of thousands of people in the north of France, who are going to be crossing the Channel and thousands of them are going to come over this summer.This is causing despair, anger. It's causing great economic hardship because these people are costing a hell of a lot of money as well.But it's like the government no longer cares for its own people.The first duty of government is to look after the safety of its own people.And that no longer seems to matter. And Justin Welby doesn't seem to give a moment's thought to these people who he classes as refugees crossing the channel without documents. Some of them will be fleeing justice in their own countries. Some of them will be rapists. Some of them will be paedophiles.Some of them will be murderers. Now, somebody might say to me in response to saying that, how do you know? Well, I don't. But how do you know they're not? Because they're not documented.Yeah and so this is what's being done to British society, and it's not just Britain of course, the same is being done to Ireland.Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is a menace to the British people, as are almost all the leaders of our institutions, most of our politicians, as Michael Jackson says, they don't care about us.
Exactly. Well, none of the bishops in the house care about any of us.Moving on to Brexit, and this is great from The Economist, trying to work out why Britain would be successful.Britain's services exports are booming despite Brexit. Why?And they try and look into this to try and understand why Britain is not doing worse.And Projam, can you just scroll down to the two graphs there?No, we're not going to get the graphs. But it's really interesting that obviously the left wing media want to bash Britain, and they can't because the service industry is booming in Britain despite Brexit. Who would have thought it, Niall?
Yes, well, this is The Economist, so you would think that this is economic experts, but what I've found over the years, Peter, is that economics is not the sort of science of finance at all. It's a social kind of studies field which is heavily populated by people of particular ideological bent who use this kind of, you know, quite sort of serious sounding title of economist to give more value to what they say.But really, they rarely get anything right at all about finance, do they?I mean, the Economist and the Financial Times have been wrong on just about everything.If you look at the inflation problem at the moment, did the Economist and the Financial Times warn you, dear viewers, about that?Did the Economist and the Financial Times warn you about the global financial crisis in 2007, 2008? No, they didn't have a clue it was coming.Because they're not scientists, they're pseudoscientists.They are just social studies, kind of ideological narrative pushers.And of course, Brexit is something that really went against the narrative.Let's finish off on two gender stories. Let me see if we can bring this up. This is,so this is Starbucks Saks trans worker who accused customer of being transphobic then knocked a phone out of person's hands in confrontation after being misgendered.Let me bring, let me actually bring and play the video.The video, give me one second and I will hear it.There, let me see if I can play this.
(video plays)
I want to leave that. You're rude. Don't ever call me transphobic. Ever. You do not know me. Never. You do not call me transphobic. Ever. I want to leave that.Hi, get out. You are trespassing now. You are trespassing. Get out.Apparently, we said something that sounds phobic.You actually, actually, you actually.You want some, give me the phone. You want some, give me the phone.Let go of me, give me the phone. I've got plenty of witnesses, give me the phone. I said, let go.And it more or less finishes there. The funny thing is that, obviously, after that went viral, that the individual got sacked for that.But it's this sense of entitlement, Niall, and I guess we have a whole education system where people are going through it and told that they shouldn't be offended.And if they're offended, it's hate.And obviously, whenever you go and buy your coffee, if the person is offended by, I don't know, by a look or a walk or whatever it is.But I guess we'll be seeing more and more of this in our society.Yeah, and my advice to people is, if you get into a situation like that lady got into, don't engage, just walk away.Because that person, however unreasonable they are, they have got the law behind them, the Equality Act, and the whole narrative is in their favour.And so in this case, you know, this person was filmed and found out and the company Starbucks had little option but to sack this person.You know, whatever happened to the customer is always right?But no, it's not worth. And this is why I'd say there's one sort of protest that I would not go to, and that's the drag queen, trans child grooming events, which I think are absolutely abhorrent, but I will not go to a protest because you'll get all these shrill socialist worker types and the police will be on their side and anything you say, potentially you could be apprehended for by the police.So I think just don't engage. You can never be forced to use somebody's pronouns, they try and force you to use their pronouns. No, you can't be forced to use that. Just walk away.Now, it's not every situation, you can just walk away. But just don't get into a confrontation.But also don't feel that you have to accommodate some of this madness because it is madness.I'd say that as a mental health practitioner, what's going on now with this transgenderism is lunacy. But I think that there's a danger in tackling it in a situation like this.Best if possible to just walk away.Yeah, yeah. We'll finish off on the same topic but on freedom of speech, journalistic expression.This is a story in the Telegraph on the National Union of Journalists, who are of course the bastions of free speech and journalism.Fears for free speech after journalist union refuses refuses to defend gender-critical members and it's that Britain's leading journalistic union has rejected calls to defend members who cover trans issues and gender-critical beliefs. The National Union of Journalists was called upon at a meeting to issue a statement supporting members who covered the debate on sex and gender and to condemn abuse that they might receive for discussing gender. A gender-critical viewpoint is just a normal gender, that's just how it is. But they refuse to do it. And I guess it's, we've seen the capitulation of our media anyway over the last three years, but there is an absolute, as you said, I think a fear of the trans lobby. But again, you do expect a union to come and back you. Maybe this is why the Workers' England Union are needed so much. So I'll leave that to you, Niall.
Yes, so certainly journalists if you have any concerns about the various woke agendas that are going on that you may profoundly disagree with, this is a clear message from the National Union of Journalists. They are not going to stand up for you. So yes, come and join the Workers of England. There's nothing to stop you joining an independent union that isn't tied to the establishment and to the official narratives like the NUJ is.Alongside that story, Peter, there's a school teacher who's been dismissed for refusing to use a pupil's transgender pronoun.So we really are getting into sort of Maoist cultural revolution kind of atmosphere now.And I reckon that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.But my hope is that this woke onslaught will eat itself.You know, that they'll cause so many schisms and such conflict with among themselves that they will, that we can just sort of, you know, enjoy the show and get the popcorn, but I think that the heat is going to be turned up quite a lot before we get to the point where we can see it coming to an end.It will come to an end, just like Mao's cultural revolution came to an end in China, but they had something like 12 years of that, and a lot of people died, a lot of people were persecuted during that time and what we've got now is persecution, you know, when people are hounded out of their jobs, prevented from getting any other work, they are, you know, portrayed on the media as being some, you know, diabolical person who everyone has to stay away from.I mean this is like the witch hunt hysteria of the 16th, 17th centuries.Yeah, no, it really is. Well, I think on that, we will finish up.The viewers can obviously, our listeners can find Neil, his handle is there @Dr_Neil_McRae, with two underscores.So it is there on Gab.Do go and make use of Gab, as do we. We post all the videos on Gab.So it is a wonderful social media platform and was free before Musk ever thought of having freedom, supposedly.We'll not even get into that. But Dr. Niall McCrae, thank you as always for joining us.
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be on. And sorry about the glitches earlier, but we got there in the end.
We always get there at the end, so no problem at all. But I wish our viewers and listeners a wonderful rest of your Saturday, rest of your weekend, whatever you're doing. Have a wonderful time on Sunday. Take some time off your normal work schedule. I say that to me as well as I say to you and on Monday we'll be back with you with Dr Peter McCullough will be with us on Monday evening so tune in for that. And on that, have a wonderful evening and we'll see you Monday.

David Atherton - Forced Marriages, Immigration Madness and the Never Ending Grooming Gang Arrests

David Atherton is a journalist and broadcaster and a prolific tweeter. His regular updates and commentaries on the clash between Islam, our Western freedoms and the impact of uncontrolled immigration have made him a voice of reason. He joins us to discuss the latest grooming gang trial that is simply the latest of regular instalments of an ongoing attempt to punish these Muslim Pakistani rape gangs. And with the BBC now producing documentaries on forced marriages we need to ask what is the cost to our society of uncontrolled immigration. So join us this episode as David covers all of this and much more.David Atherton is a London-based journalist and broadcaster. He writes for 'The European Conservative', and a number of leading publications as well as being a regular on national TV and radio stations, as well as his popular Twitter account on social media.Follow Dave on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20?s=20The European Conservative: https://europeanconservative.com/Interview recorded: 5.5.23To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with David Atherton, who I followed for many years @DaveAtherton20.And I think I started following him because of his exposure of the grooming gangs and willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy for what he is doing.Anyone who does that is a brave individual and seeks truth more than position or fame.So I think that was why, we haven't met before. So first time we met on the interview, always good fun doing it that way.You never know how things will go. We had a great conversation.We look into, obviously, some of the more recent cases of groups of Muslim Pakistani men who have been part of rape gangs going through the legal system and being prosecuted.All historic, but they're also more current. But this is historic the one we looked at from 2000 to 2006, 11 men jailed, or 11 men about to be jailed, being charged. Only three of them with the first name Muhammad. And we also look at the failure of the authorities to deal with this. Turning a blind eye, council leaders, police, politicians, all turning a blind eye. Basically not wanting a race war, a religious war. So we go into that and then we end up looking at immigration and how that is the, part of driver behind this, that clash that we have between Islam and the freedoms we have in the West and those from Islamic nations and that incompatibility that we are finding with the freedoms that we, have had, still have. So I know you'll enjoy David's expert thoughts on this as I have over the last few years.
 
And it's wonderful to have David Atherton with us today. David, thank you so much for your time.
 
(Dave Atherton)
Pleased to be here. Thanks a lot for the invite.
 
Not at all. I enjoyed following your Twitter feed that people can see there @DavidAtherton20 and they can follow that.So I wanted you on for a while, but sometimes things take longer than expected. But thank you for coming on. Before we get on to some of the topics that you have been posting on, could I ask you maybe just take a moment and introduce yourself to our viewers?
Yeah, sure. No problems. I spent most of my life in recruitment. So I've always had a real job, so to speak. And funny enough, it was when the smoking ban came in in 2007 that I becamequite politically active. I always had an opinion, but then I became politically active about trying to get it reversed, or at least amended to a certain extent. That took me into writing about it. I've got a lot of invites for TV and radio to defend smokers' rights. Last night I was on talk TV. That came up in conversation and it's still one of the things I talk about.And from then on, you know, I was asked by Raheem...
Kassam.
 
Yeah,
 
one and only Raheem
 
to write with a commentator, then he took me with him to Breitbart, and here we are today, journalist and broadcaster. So yeah, I can't forget Raheem's name. You picture him in the head there. So that's my background. And one of the things that I've, you know, I think politicians think far too short term. They want an instant fix, you know, to the problem so they can get re-elected. And they completely fail to see the world ahead of them. Where will mass immigration take us into the future? I'm not suggesting that all immigrants are bad, certainly not. The vast majority are perfectly decent people who make a contribution to this country. But unfortunately, there are certain sectors of the community that don't. And this needs to be pointed out, it needs to be discussed. But without being called gammon, racist, bigot all the time.
 
Yeah, that does come up. So, well, let's, I think the focus probably, and was our initial focus whenever we launched and then COVID tyranny all took over.But was on the culture clash that we see, the clash with Islam and our freedoms in the West, and the clash from other cultures that aren't suited to a Western lifestyle through all types of restrictions on freedom, restrictions on women's position, restrictions on right to choose and change religions, all of that. So that was certainly want to be our focus andthen we get thrown a COVID curveball and the focus. But one of your, maybe we'll start on one of the ones recently is this here, 11 men charged in Rochdale grooming investigation.And this is a story we see time and time again. I always have interested that the BBC covered this, but they didn't cover it.It's not a proper story to them. It's a, oh, we'll put it in the Manchester section.So it's not on their main, because they think 11 men getting arrested for rape, basically more or less weekly, isn't an issue.But this is between 2000 and 2006 at Greater Manchester.This is obviously a story that you see regularly and you report on regularly and highlight.Tell us about this.
 
Right, indeed.Right, well, obviously, you know, for 30 years, you know, Pakistani heritage, rape gangs, they were either protected, ignored, or covered up by the establishment, and by the establishment I mean by the Labour Party, social services, and local councils particularly, actually, will cover things up.Yeah, so what I'll do is I'll try and dig out a quote in the wake of the 2015 jailing of 22, Pakistani heritage rapists, where a moderate imam commented that they actually, local imams actually encouraged the girls, sorry, encouraged the men in the congregation to go out and rape white girls because they wore short-sleeved shirts and mini skirts and things like that. No, it actually says they deserve to be treated like filth. This was published in the Telegraph. This was published in the Telegraph. But anyway, moving on from here, one of the Greater Manchester Police.Rochdale's in the Greater Manchester Police Area.And the Greater Manchester people were put in special measures and Maggie Oliver fought valiantly to get these girls justice from the Greater Manchester Police.I think we have now turned a corner in the sense that the councils won't be allowed to get away with this.They're probably the main offenders, because the Labour Party, 90% of Muslims vote Labour.It's their core vote they don't want to lose. For example, Kim Ledbetter, the Batley and Spen MP, she spent her time talking about the Batley grammar school teacher.She was talking about Palestine in Parliament, you know?You know, what's that got to do, you know, what's that got to do?Because all her constituents are Muslims and they are, by and large, most of them are anti-Semitic. So I look upon this as a positive, positive thing.That girls, women now, obviously women now, are feeling bold and brave enough to go to the police.And report their past rapes and full marks to the police for actually following through and arresting these people and investigating the cases. So I look upon that as being quite positive now.And I must say, the people we have to thank for that, for keeping it in the public eye, are people like Tommy Robinson. I had no idea. I remember, I think it was 2007, I think, you know, Nick Griffin is not my cup of tea.He really is a genuine, foul, nasty fascist, you know.But, you know, when he was accused, when he was up in court, he was accused of citing racial hatred because he suggested that there were white girls being raped by Pakistani heritage men.And I thought, well, mate, you've really done it now, haven't you?You deserve every single year you get for that, mate.Oh, but you're right. Again, it was Tommy Robinson.I dismissed what he said at the time, it was 2006, 2007, whatever it was.But when Tommy Robinson formed the EDL and he brought it to our attention, There's a video of him from 2011 on BBC's Newsnight been interviewed by Jeremy Paxman, and he said the same thing in I thought, Tommy mate. You're gonna be in trouble, you know and then we move onto 2013 when the Xerof cell I mean God you're gonna give the guys full credit, practicing Muslim director of public prosecutions in the Northwest, he brought to trial the Rochdale rapists, and they were all jailed.And you've got to pay tribute to the guy. You've got to be fair here.He was the person, I think, who moved the Titanic around, or the ocean liner around.And it was not a figment of our imagination, and it moved on.And there was a Alexis Jay report of 2014, you know, really makes your hair curl.I'm surprised the government appointed a vi that was so blunt, so blunt about what was going on there.And there's an article also in the BBC that one of the local women who voted community leaders said that the whole of the community knew what was going on in Rotherham, but they turned a blind eye.The Imams, the Muslim establishment, the local councils knew exactly what was going on.They turned a blind eye.Yeah, we see that time and time. I will get on that in a bit, but two things pick up.One was, I love when you watch Tommy with someone who, I mean, Tommy is very much like Nigel Farage and that Nigel would be horrified to have the same sentence, but actually they're individuals who are Marmite and yet they are lovable characters.You put Tommy with someone and actually he's such an infectious personality that if you put someone who disagrees verbally, then if they give him 10 minutes after that, they would actually see him quite differently because he is a warm, hospitable, friendly person.And that goes in, and he's not doing it out of hatred, but he's doing it out of concern for country.
Sure. Well, he grew up in Luton, he went to school with other Pakistani heritage children.Some were his mates and some were nasty bullies and pieces of work, you know, who beat you up nicked your wallet and took your lunch money.You know, he saw some of the women who did marry some of the Asian men and they lost contact with their family, you know, they were forced to wear burqas and hijabs and what have you.He saw what cultural devastation that was happening.And it's all too difficult to mention publicly. I think what the government is doing here is, we talked about different cultures here.I think, I always like pointing out on Twitter, you know, I always like to ask the question, why do you think Britain is a relatively rich country and countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and what have you are relatively poor countries?They can never answer the question. The answer is, we went through the enlightenment in the 17th century, whereby logic and facts and truth overrose superstition and religion. And it led us to free speech, free inquiry, and led to scientific and intellectual developments. And from 1215 Magna Carta, we believe in the rule of law. I've seen lots of Asian men turn around and say, If this was reversed, if white men were raping Muslim girls, they wouldn't bother going to the police.They'd go round mob handed and give the geezer a good spanking.You know, we want the rule of law, we want to go to the police, we expect the police to look into it for us, and justice take its course, you know, and that's how you get a civilised society.You know, their culture seems to be based around mob rule, you know, who's got the biggest baseball bat.Yeah, and with those 11 men, another aspect, I'm intrigued to know your specific thoughts on this, but out of the 11, three of them were of course with a lovely name Muhammad. Only three actually this time. But how, because I see it actually as probably even more of the religious influence.Because of Islam historically spreading by the sword, because of Muhammad having sex slaves, because that was the norm. So it very much being rooted in Islam but also the added view of women in a Pakistani culture context, but that is predominantly from an Islamic heritage.So how do you put, because again, I'm intrigued that, who's the home secretary, it wasn't, not Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, that she has talked about Pakistani gangs, Pakistani individuals, but yet is still afraid to use the word Islam.And I think everything should be on the table to have a proper discussion.
Well, indeed. Well, my analysis of the Pakistani-Asian Muslim community is 80% decent, moderate people.They might be a little bit more conservative than us. They might not be pro-LGBT.There was a survey done in 2016 where they found that 52% of Muslims in this country would like to see homosexual acts made criminalized and people jailed, 52 percent.But 80 percent, by and large, rub along, moderate, decent, some are actually quite liberal people.What you got from there on is the 20 percent extremist nutters or whatever you want to call them. And unfortunately, from what I can see of the Islamic community, is the 20 percent tail wags the 80% moderate dog.You know, I was reading about a mosque in Glasgow, there was a battle between the moderates and extremists. And of course, the extremists won. And they won by going around and physically intimidating people and beating them up and things like that, you know. And, you know, you carry on your campaign, we're going to do you sort of attitude. So the problem we have is, is this permeates throughout throughout the whole religion. For example, to give you an example, from the Bible, Leviticus says something along the lines of, man shall not lie down with a woman as he does with a man.It's an abomination.So the Bible is full of quotations about justifying slavery, justifying killing gay people and what have you.We ignore it. We come from the Enlightenment and we believe what goes on in the home, privacy in your own home and club or whatever, is your business, not religions or the states.Now with the Koran, from what I can work out, is, do you know what I mean by abrogated or unabrogated?
 
Yep, yep.The later verses override the earlier verses, the violent verses override the peaceful, which is a real bummer for Muslims.
 
Sure, indeed, yeah.Well, indeed, yeah. From what I can work out, the Koran in its current form will never be abrogated, it will never be changed, it will not have new interpretations or things ignored.It is the final word of God and has to be done to the letter down to the last full stop.You know, it can't be changed.And the Qur'an says that us Kafirs, us infidels, are second-class citizens.It is quite straightforward in saying that you can do what you like to people who are non-Muslims.Because it's written in our book. And that includes rape, slavery, and everything else.And until you convert to Islam, you have no choice but to pay, at the best pay extra taxes.Jizya I think they call it, don't they? And so this is what we're up against. It's a fund, you know, the minority of fundamentalists who rule the public space on Islamic spaces. And, you know.The government knows that. Did you see Robert Jenrick's, Jenrick speaks recently, comments?
No, no.
 
Okay, the immigration minister. He said the far right, oh blimey.The far right is something we should not, we should listen to, some of the far right, excuse any paraphrasing here, should be listened to and not private or made private or marginalised.And he actually said, these people who had different cultures to us.No, he sounded like Tommy Robinson on an average day.
Right, it's amazing how terms are used and never defined and that's where the confusion, but actually just another spot, of course, if we had an issue with Orthodox Jews running around killing and raping on the basis of Leviticus or something then that would be an issue, but you're right that doesn't happen. It is the problem with Islam and the understanding the basis does seem to be historically in Islam. But this is another, and this is an issue I think my frustration and anger is against the Muslim Pakistani community but also is against the English system. And here your story, Rouhan Adil when age 15 filled himself raping a schoolboy, shared photos of paedophiles online and the police found hundreds of pictures, and he got sentenced to 28 months detention in a young offenders institution of which he will serve half because that's what happens to those who rape children. So he will serve just over a year and I'm amazed that the English legal system thinks that raping children is punishable by a one-year sentence. That's where I think we've got, because if the sentences were huge, if people were locked away for life, then actually that would be a deterrent.A year isn't really a deterrent, is it?
No, it's not. No. Um, someone, someone like that should be in jail for what he's like.You probably take his age as mitigation.I would have given him five, six years. personally speaking. If he was 18 at the time I would have given him...10, 15 years if I've been the judge. And also as well, you know, I really, maybe I ought to do some research, maybe some research here as well, but I always get the impression white people get treated more harshly than the Asian people. I just get this impression, you know, when you were abused multiple times, you know, a 13 year old girl, you know, maybe literally hundreds of of times. There was a one about the greater Manchester which I've forgotten her name now.But she had 177 Asian names, I say Asian, it's interchangeable with Pakistani heritage.And she had 177 names on her phone and she went to the police. You know, her mother went to the police to report it. And they did absolutely nothing. You know, when you're being gang raped by 177 people or possibly up to 177 people and you're 13 years of age, that is 20 years in prison, at least. And, you know, if you're coming out in 10 years, I'll probably give you 30 years for that as well. You know, I don't know whether the judge is being culturally sensitive or whether they think the girls were, to a certain extent, culpable for the wrong behaviour? I don't know.It is just completely unacceptable. And also, one thing I noticed as well, a lot of them get let out a lot earlier as well.There's one guy who was given 20, he was a gang rape leader who was given 20 years, he was let out after five.You know, I just don't know how this is going on. And I'll tell you what, you know.When they do come out of jail, they still don't think they've done anything wrong, some of them anyway.Maybe a majority still think we haven't done anything wrong.
Well, that's this. So I wonder, actually, and I'm I'm not someone who is for capital punishment.I believe that life is sacrosanct. So I set that aside.But I do think that actually jail has to be a deterrent, but it has to be rehabilitation.And if someone has not been rehabilitated, then I don't see how they can be let back into society. So I actually think if you cannot, if you do not know whether someone will actually not carry out raping children once again then I think they can be released and that means they need to be held until it can be said that actually they're no longer a danger to society.
 
Although they should go through physical or chemical castration.
 
Yep, yep, yep.I think it has to be looked at and how the conversation to the British public because it's to let someone, we've, the legal case we have been involved in with Liz. I mean, her perpetrator, rapist, was in the open prison after something like three years.Ready to be released. An open prison where you're free to come and go and the individual is raping children. It doesn't connect at all.
 
That is not a punishment. No, that is not a punishment.You know, for example, date rape, for example, you know, assume there's sort of two Europeans, you know, involved in date rape. You know, he said, she said sort of type of thing.Most get five, six years for that. That's two adults. I don't want to be a rape apologist or whatever and minimise the crime.But you know, there's obviously some degree of cooperation, as it were, obviously went back to somebody's place.And, you know, of course the geezer deserves five, six years.But, you know, when you're doing that, you know, you're feeding a 12, 13 year old alcohol and drugs and you're your mates are coming around and, you know, in some dirty little flat above a kebab shop, you know, that's got to be as far worse, worse crime, you know?
Yeah, yeah. I want another video you'd reposted was about Oldham, council leader.So let's play this lovely individual. I've just had local elections, but really if you're a UK viewer, you get what you put in. And if you don't go and vote, don't engage, then actually you get individuals like this who are happy for children to be raped but let's just play this 30 second clip.Let me play it
 
oh bless Emily
 
I know let me play her...
 
(video plays)
Our publication of that report two weeks ago, I spoke to a number of victims and they came forward and rang me that week the victims that were referenced in the report but also other victims of CSE and Oldham and speaking to those people and how it has affected their lives. You can't say it's destroyed their lives because the people I spoke to, it hasn't, but it has had an impact into adult life.
Oh, well, that's rape apologist.
 
It hasn't, it hasn't destroyed their life?And the thing I can't get around is, if you are men, women will obviously were built differently, I will not even to get into the gender conversation.But I thought as a woman that she, when she saw the stories, when she met with these girls that she would be horrified because, and yet she seemed to say, being raped as a child does not destroy your life.Where do you go with that? Whenever that's what our politicians believe.
You know, it's an overused cliché, mic drop time, you know, but, I'm sorry, that is just so offensive and revolting and disgusting.You know, it really renders me speechless on this one. You just, you know, what the hell are you saying, darling? You know, you know.To my mind, you know, if I was Keir Starmer, I'd suspend her for that.And make her come out with a full apology. I've got an idea for a letter. Thank you very much for that one, Peter.You know, you cannot say that. I believe she has slightly retracted that.One of one of her fiercest critics on Twitter, Roger, I think his name is.She has backtracked on that to a certain extent, but really, she should be banished from polite society for the rest of her career for that.She should not be holding any positions of power or authority.She should retire. She should be suspended. should be fired and disappear into the distance and never heard of again.If only, I think probably Sir Keir Starmer will get down on his knee instead to the to the rapist and that's what his response seems to be to crime. This was interesting, you'd put this post up and it's looking at the crime index for cities in Europe and you said does anyone see a correlation?Now, I do see a correlation, and actually number 20 doesn't come in there, which is number 20 is Brussels, which is, of course, 30, is it 30% or 35% is Islamic.And then we've got the beautiful city of Bradford there in the UK at the top and all in between.But to me, actually, it connects the dots of mass immigration, changing cities, and also very high Islamic populations, and our politicians are wondering, why is crime going up?
 
Sure, absolutely. You know, we're back to cultural differences here, whereby we, one of the reasons I believe Europe has, and America has advanced so much, is we've learned to cooperate at a non-family level.The reason, you know, the Middle East and parts of Asia, that the reason they employ a family because they're the only people they can trust. I'm sure we all nick pens and elastic bands from work, but we'd never think of defrauding the company of a substantial amount of money.Most employees in this country want to do the best for their company because they get a pay rise and things like that. We've amongst ourselves at a business level and it's worth to a certain political level as well have learned to engage with each other and just trust each other. Now it's one of the reasons why in Scandinavia that the government spend so much of their money because the people actually trust their government and the civil servants to spend their money properly.But we've learned cooperation. That's the reason why places like Somalia and Afghanistan and Pakistan and places like that, they're always fighting each other. It's clan warfare. They haven't learned to cooperate as a society.
Obviously this is a conversation that politicians don't want to have and you see snippets of it, certainly with the grooming gangs, with the rape gangs you see papers putting it out, as a story I remember the Daily Mirror I think did a massive like 18-month investigation in Telford, they put out a story and it seems to be more entertainment than actually solving an issue, it's simply they get an exclusive story, they're happy to talk about rape on their front page and a couple of pages inside, it maybe does it for a day or two, and then it moves on to whatever.Coronation or the weather or something else. And I'm wondering, I mean, are you more positive that actually we will address this as a society? Because these cases, they're still happening more or less every other week.
 
I believe we are actually in the present sense, we are addressing it to a certain extent. I had a guy from LBC in touch with me a couple of weeks ago, and he wanted to do a piece on grooming gangs. And put me in touch with a couple of people and did a five-minute segment for the Nick Ferrari show. So I was able to point him in the right direction. You mentioned the Daily Mirror there and the BBC are covering it to a certain extent. I think they have no choice.This is where social media, particularly Twitter and Facebook, have done such a good job, and GETTR, that you can actually go out there and report on it and let people know.And so I look upon that as a positive sign here. But the thing about the BBC, and what I noticed about the LBC report, and probably Sky as well.
 
And GB News have touched on it as well, I know Charlie Peters has.
GB News is quite different. I'll leave GB News to one side if I can.But if you look at the Sky News articles and the LBC article and Daily Mirror article, they talk about grooming gangs, but they don't talk about the ethnicity.You notice that?They don't say, oh, well, you know, well, this needs to be disproportionately, you know, Asian or whatever.They don't mention it. Let's go to the story of how they were raped and what have you.GB News is quite, and Talk TV to a certain extent, are really quite different.When I was on Talk TV last night, I mentioned I got into broadcasting from Defending Smokers' Rights. We had somebody from Ash actually not smoking a health one last night, and it was the first time she's had three people who were against her and disagreed with her. You get on the BBC and ITV like I've done, you know, even the cameraman hates you know, you know, and this is, you know, I've been in touch with Charlie on a couple of matters. And I get the impression he's a genuine guy who wants to do good. And it's really the fact he will go out and call spades, spade shovels and things like that, and tell it how it is. I think it's great news to GB News' credit, and to him personally. You know, and Talk TV, you listen to some of the phone-ins, some of the phone-ins on Talk TV. And so, you know, they know that if you want the screen to light up with phone calls, we're going to talk about immigration today, you know.I don't know if you've seen it, but Talk TV, they've got this screen and there's a room for about 100 phone calls or something like that. And when there's somebody waiting to come on hold, you know, it lights up. And I imagine it'll be great if the whole screen goes white, you know. And I can't believe, you know, some of the language that some of the callers use that go on unchallenged. I'm really, really quite impressed, actually.We've been invaded. They're changing our culture. They don't fit in. I don't think their religion is what we're looking for in this country. I can't believe how much free speech is allowed these days. I think that has changed in that narrative as well. And where I think these people got their ideas was from social media. For example, I was chatting to a producer last night, a presenter of Talk TV, and he said, well, I've never heard of Dave Atherton, how come he's got 58,000 followers? He's not a celebrity, which is true. It's true, isn't it? I got it simply because I've covered immigration on Twitter. That's the reason I've got so many followers.I've been nobbled by Twitter. I posted a Halal slaughter. I put a sensitive marker over it.I didn't go out as it was. Some lefty reported me and now I'm completely nobbled. My impressions are down 80% now. I'm trying to get that reversed. I've tried and I've tried. Anyway, that's by the by. If I had been nobbled, I'd probably have 70,000, 80,000 followers by now. I can just about maintain it at 58,000. The point I'm making here is I think social media and particularly Twitter was crucial in getting the message out and you know that people could see for themselves what was going on.
 
No completely and you have those numbers because people want news and they find you're putting it out so where else do they go? I want to end on one or two of the immigration stories but when you talk about people phoning in and being angry at what immigration has done and the change. And this is one of them. This is Yasmin Mohammed. Very good in what she does. And this is a video of her. I think it's her talking about forced wedding when she was at her forced wedding, she was so disassociated. She didn't really know what was happening and crying and talk about the trauma, the millions of women. And then Emily talks here about the BBC touching on, I think BBC do it for entertainment, but anyway, the forced marriage unit nowadays is over a thousand cases a year. And I would actually love the government to actually go and focus where this is, because I remember just one, I remember my older son in his class, they had a special class, none of the parents were told, and it was about FGM. So I've got my child, my boy being told about it, what has that got to do with him absolutely zero one it should be the girls and two should be the girls from Islamic backgrounds or Asian backgrounds where it happens, like Somalia where it's what 90% or whatever but the,It seems as though our government is wasting resources because they're so scared to be called racist or Islamophobic.
Well, they could have stopped FGM in one fell swoop by prosecuting both parents and sending them to jail.You know, it's a case of, you know, you can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs.You know, I'm sorry, if there's got to be five or six parents who've got to go to jail for allowing their daughters to be FGMed. So be it. If they've got to go to care while they're in jail, so be it. Because that would stop at one fell swoop, FGM in this country. And another thing we need to do is, we've got to stop chain migration.Get the mother-in-law in as well, that kind of thing. Also, I think we should, it was Saeed, the Times journalist, Matthew Saeed. He's of Pakistani heritage. He's suggesting that cousin-cousin marriages should be made illegal. And you have to stop, you know, arranged marriages from Pakistan. That has to stop.
And you wonder why it's not illegal already. That's the scary thing.Yeah, I think when it comes to genetic births, genetic deformities from birth, 38% come from the Pakistani heritage community. It should be stopped. I'm sorry, arranged marriages are now finished. You can't have any more. I'm pretty sure this needs to be fact-checked. But I still think even in arranged marriage that there are basic requirements for the English language. If there are not, you can't speak English, you can't have a conversation in English, you're not allowed to come into this country.You know, basically, you know, I think something like 59% of marriages in Bradford are with cousins. And it's basically to keep the wealth into the family. That's the reason they do it.And actually, one of the Islamic sects, Tablighi Jamaat, 80 million, I think, out of New Delhi.And actually, in those marriages, actually, the woman does not even attend her own wedding, because she's a woman. So her father attends the wedding on her behalf. She has zero right.And that is the same in the UK for typically up in Dewsbury.That's typically the amount and the government could stop that in an instant.
Sure. I know. But you know what will happen, won't you? You know, if we clamp down on in any shape or form, they know they will be out on the streets, you know, vandalizing stuff and being violent. They're going to have to send the riot police in, possibly even the army.No Home Secretary wants to do that, so they appease them. I'm pretty sure you saw the Wakefield 14-year-old boy who's scuffed at Koran. By the way, the people from the mosque, went knocked on her door and threatened her.You know, and, you know, and they obviously the boy, the autistic boy had death threats.And she thought the only way to get out of this is go to the mosque, put a silly veil over her head and, you know, prostrate herself.And did you see the audience?
No, no, I missed that. I didn't see no.It was packed to the rafters of middle age and elderly Asian men sitting sitting cross-legged on the floor. Talk about intimidating, intimidating environment, you know, and she had a grovel and apologize and things like that. The thing that really, really stuck in my craw was the chief inspector for the West Yorkshire Police there condoning everything that had happened, you know, because he knows if he'd gone after the people who threatened the autistic boy, you know, the whole of the community will be after him. Whole of the community will be be after West Yorkshire police. This is violence and intimidation, which one day we will pay the price. We've got two ways of going here. We're going to have to go through a period of civil unrest, or we're all going to have to bend the knee to Sharia law. There is no middle ground here. There's no compromise. There's a guy, his surname is Salih, and he heads up the Five Pillars Fundamentalist media site.And people on Twitter were saying, oh, isn't it wonderful that these Muslims are going into Christian churches and preaching and things like that.And someone asked him, well, can you ever see a Christian priest, a vicar or priest being allowed to go to a mosque? And he put one word. Never.It's always one way, it's always one way. But no, you're, I just, one, I think on the FGM and then we'll finish on immigration, but the FGM, I actually think that it's not just actually children should be in care for a while while the parents are in jail.Actually, the children should be taken away. It is better for the children not to be cut up with knives and blades.So whatever the alternative is, is better than child abuse.So I think they should be completely removed. And if that means thousands of children removed from families. But you're right, it will be riots, religious race riots, everything will get burned down. They'll accuse the Home Secretary of, I don't know, folding the page of a Quran, and therefore they can kill her. We see what happens across the world. So yeah.
Well, absolutely. This is one of the reasons the government is so pathetic and weak, is they fear the civil unrest repercussions.
Well, let's end up on immigration. There are a load of different stories, but this, I thought this was Noah's Ark, but no, it's not Noah's Ark, it's the immigrant ark.Barge to house 500 male migrants off Dorset Coast, says government, and this was last month.But it gives you an idea of what we're facing, because when the government said they were going to house migrants on boats, I thought they were just taking the mick, but no, this thing has come on.They'll need maybe a hundred of these, but 500 male migrants will be housed in this barge, poor people in Dorset that will see this. And it's coming in the coming months.And the vessel, which is currently in Italy, to break from Italy, there must be only one vessel in the world that can host them, but it will be significantly cheaper than hotels.Obviously, if we need to bring boats from Italy to put people in who are illegally coming in the country, we have a problem. And yet, the government don't seem to want to address the problem. They're just going to get barges. And I guess we'll have hundreds of these off the coast.
 
Sure. It's sticking plasters rather than cures, isn't it? And until, well, the long-term solution for this is, we need to go to maybe an American style of public administration, whereby the top civil servants are appointed by the government.That doesn't seem to work that badly, in a sense.So what happened was, six migrants had had enough of Britain, and they got back on the ferry to go back to France. And they were dragged back by the police and brought back to Britain.Because the permanent second, yeah, this is the reason why, the permanent secretary, Matthew Rycroft, or one of his officials, they have a gentleman's agreement with France.They won't return people.And so when Suella Braverman was told by a civil service, we can't send them back.To my mind, Rycroft should have been fired on the spot. But any civil servant, if he doesn't have the authority, primary legislation should be done in a day for that to be done.Three line whip, 80 majority, whatever it is. We have the right to hire and fire anybody in the civil service.And anybody who was in the way should be fired on the spot, over you go.And I'm sorry, Macron, I'm sorry, this might sound a little bit over the top, but if we're returning migrants back to France and they didn't need a Royal Navy escort, so be it.You know, I'm sorry, to my mind what Macron is doing, this is a punishment beating for leaving the EU. And quite frankly, Macron can learn how to behave like a civilised human being, or he needs to be taught. And I'm sorry, I think longer term, there is an existentialist threat to this country from terrorism and other social ills, which in five years' time we'll be bitterly regretting what we did.And this needs to be addressed immediately and with robust matters.And quite frankly, if the whole of the Home Office needs to be fired and we've got to start from the beginning again, so be it.It has to be done. And if we've got to find volunteers to man the border force boats.And also as well, one of the first things I would do if I was Home Secretary, the RNLI, the Royal National Lifeboat Institute, have... what's the word I'm looking for? If due to their actions somebody dies, they can't be accused of corporate manslaughter.They have no legal immunity from what they do. And the first thing I would do is I'd take that legal immunity away.And so if you do make a mess of things, you're going to jail for corporate manslaughter.And that would stop the RNLI boats a split second. Also, these are practical short-term solutions.And so you look, the people in the Border Force, you're staying in port. I'm sorry.We can go out to France, you go to the camps, you hand out leaflets saying, we're not going to pick you up anymore.And that's the end of the thing. And I'm sorry, Macron doesn't like that, too bad mate.
Well, let's end just on a picture, which kind of connects with the RNLI, although I don't think Macron can behave like a grown up.I think that's impossible, but I'll let you keep your fingers crossed, David.This was a lovely, lovely poster. 80 years ago, we stopped an entire German army crossing the English Channel.Now we can't stop an effing dinghy. Love it. That is through the RNLI, which have become basically a...Do you want to, for our non-UK viewers, for US viewers, do you want to just let them know what the RNLI is and what it's become?
Right. Yeah. The Royal National Lifeboat Institute is a civilian fleet of boats, which is entirely paid out of charitable organizations, and the people are volunteers, but the chief executive earns 180,000 pounds a year, whilst the people who are risk their lives on the sea barely get their expenses covered.They have to give up work, they live self-employed, they lose money.And if they get a 999 call equivalent to a 911 call, they're expected to drop what they're doing, jump in the boats, and rescue the people concerned.In fact, there was actually one guy who was getting married and he got a bleep, but just as he was about to put the ring on her finger, but he had to go.So I believe also there are quite a few RNLI people who actually resigned in protest, over being sent out to pick up migrants in the middle of the sea. It might be 10%, but it is.But the whole point is, like in America, we have this woke culture, the ESG woke type culture, whereby Professor Matthew Goodwin reckons about 16% of the population, the sort of the degree-educated people, you know, the bon passant thinking people, you know, who believe in ultra-liberal policies.And there's nothing at the moment us plebs can do about it, despite the fact that 85% of people oppose it. In Britain, something like 60-70% of people are opposed to immigration still, at the numbers and what have we. You know, the vast majority of people don't mind genuine refugees, you know, fleeing. We don't mind that. The Ukrainians is a good example. They are genuine refugees. But we really do object to all the people who are coming over here freeloading economic migrants. Oh, by the way, let me quote, I don't think I mentioned it, but in Sweden, A research company interviewed refugees who had been given asylum in Sweden because they were fleeing persecution, oppression, wars and what have you.They've asked the question, have you returned home at all?79% have returned home, gone back to their home country on vacation. 79%.You know, if that's not the biggest sign that, you know, the government are mugs, aided and abetted by the liberal and woke classes, and these people are pathological liars.I've just got, you know, chances, and what have we. I know you have to be stupid, naïve or a complete idiot.
Yeah. Well, on that, I think we'll finish up.
 
Before we go, Peter, can I just quote to you very briefly?I managed to find it as we've been talking.Here we are, yeah. I'll just quote you the attitudes that some Muslims have in this country.In 2018, seven men were jailed for raping and pimping out girls from the ages of 11 to 15.Dr Taj Hargey, the imam of Oxford Islamic Congregation, said it was, quote, "bound up with religion and race", adding, quotes, "In mosques around the country a different doctrine is teached" One that denigrates are women who treat whites with particular contempt."Men are taught that women are second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority." "Their dress code from mini skirts to sleeveless tops is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook.""According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded." End of quote.
 
I've seen some things that Tariq has put out and he does seem to be trying to highlight some of that, but it's wonderful.Well, it isn't wonderful, but it's good when you hear the community discussing the problem and hopefully others will wake up to that.Well, David, it's been good to meet you at long last. It happens regularly, but thanks for coming on.I know that if people are not following you they certainly can do, @DaveAtherton20 go and follow David on Twitter.

Tom Fitton - Judicial Watch: Exposing Government Corruption and Coverups

For nearly 30 years Judicial Watch has been holding successive governments and administrations to account. Tom Fitton has been at the helm as President since 1998 and is known as one of the most fearless conservative activists whose desire to seek truth makes him one of the biggest enemies to governments who cover up facts for their own benefit. No other organisation in America uses the Freedom of Information law in such a logical joined up way and is never afraid to use the courts to force the disclosure of hidden documents. Time and time again the veil is lifted and the public see the truth and often Judicial Watch are behind this reveal. It was an absolute honour to speak with Tom, so join us as he unpacks some of the requests they have made and how they often have to fight to see the truth exposed.Tom Fitton is the President of Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption. Founded in 1994, Judicial Watch seeks to ensure government and judicial officials act ethically and do not abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American public. With 20 years of experience in conservative public policy, Tom Fitton has helped lead Judicial Watch since 1998 and overseen its tremendous growth and success in recent years. Under Fitton’s leadership, Judicial Watch was named one of Washington’s top ten most effective government watchdog organizations by The Hill newspaper.Mr. Fitton provides Judicial Watch with strategic guidance and leadership on Judicial Watch’s comprehensive efforts to fight government corruption. He is a nationally recognized expert on government corruption, immigration enforcement, congressional and judicial ethics, and open government.A former talk radio and television host and analyst, Tom is well known across the country as a national spokesperson for the conservative cause. He has been quoted in TIME, Vanity Fair, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Associated Press, The Los Angeles Times, The New York Post, and most every other major newspaper in the country. He has also appeared on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX News Channel, C-SPAN and MSNBC.Mr. Fitton has authored numerous articles such as “Judicial Activism Hurts our Courts,” “What Bill Clinton Knew About bin Laden,” “Following Terrorism’s Money Trail,” “Senate Abandons Judicial Nominees,” “Every Town is a Border Town,” “Obama’s Records Problem” and “Jesse Jackson Exposed.” Judicial Watch also publishes the monthly 375,000+ circulation Verdict newsletter and runs the cutting-edge Internet site JudicialWatch.org, which includes the oft-cited Corruption Chronicles blog. Mr. Fitton gained national attention as a political analyst, previously working for America’s Voice and National Empowerment Television. He is a former employee of the International Policy Forum, the Leadership Institute, and Accuracy in Media.Mr. Fitton holds a B.A. in English from George Washington University.A Republic Under Assault: The Left's Ongoing Attack on American Freedom (Judicial Watch) available from Amazon in hardcover, e-book and in audiobook...https://www.amazon.co.uk/Republic-Under-Assault-American-Judicial/dp/1982163658/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=tom+fitton&sr=8-3Follow Tom and Judicial Watch...WEBSITE: https://www.judicialwatch.org/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/JudicialWatchhttps://twitter.com/TomFitton?s=20GETTR: https://www.gettr.com/user/JudicialWatchhttps://gettr.com/user/tomfittonTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@JudicialWatchhttps://truthsocial.com/@TomFittonTELEGRAM: https://t.me/JudicialWatchInterview recorded 4.5.23*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch. I had the privilege of meeting Tom over in CPAC six weeks ago and we talk about many things. What Judicial Watch do is use freedom of information and I haven't seen it used so effectively as Judicial Watch do and Tom has been the president for 25 years and we go into a whole range of issues that, without Judicial Watch, the public would not be aware of the truth.So we go into Biden targeting Christians and an FOI that Judicial Watch have just put in on the FBI and they're targeting of Roman Catholic churches. Universities control from abroad. This is a story about a university receiving half a billion from Qatar. Is that good? Is that bad?And how does it influence the education sector. The growing power of the CCP, we look at CCP police stations in New York and you saw maybe six weeks ago there was an arrest of two people.Actually it was Judicial Watch that initially put in that FOI. Without their work you wouldn't have seen the arrest and the exposure of that. Election integrity, they put in many different FOIs in regards to states, and states have been forced to clean up their electoral rolls.They've just put an FOI on Trump raid records to reveal all of those. I think 8,000 records need to be revealed. Judicial Watch have put that in. Gain of function. Again, a lot of stuff has been exposed. Hunter Biden. There are so many issues which they address, and without them, these would not be exposed to the public. So Tom shares many of those stories and talks about how actually what they do can be used abroad and replicated because many countries around the world have an FOI system, certainly in the UK and Europe. And I think we need to be aware of what we can do as citizens and actually use the institution, the legal system that we have to force the government to account.So tune in, listen to Tom share his 25 years worth of experience heading up as President of Judicial Watch.And hello, Hearts of Oak. Today it is an honour to talk to the President of Judicial Watch, Tom Fitton. Tom, thank you for your time today.
 
(Tom Fitton)
You're welcome, Peter. Thank you for having me.
Not at all. And you can follow Tom on Twitter. All the handles are there on the screen, @TomFitton and judicialwatch.org, at @JudicialWatch on Twitter. And his latest book, just to give you an idea, published in 2020 is A Republic Under Assault, the left's ongoing attack on American freedom, which really addresses the deep state voter fraud, illegal immigration.And there's a lot packed into that. So I'd encourage our viewers after this, if they want todelve a little bit more deeply into some of the things that Tom has discussed, the book is available everywhere. Now, Tom, for our non-US viewers, could you maybe take a moment and introduce yourself before we get into the work of Judicial Watch?
 
Well, thank you, Peter, and I won't presume our fellow Americans here in the United States know who we are. So, we're a non-profit educational foundation. We're essentially a government watchdog group. We use often a law here in the United States, it's the bulk of our litigation, called the Freedom of Information Act, which is an open records law that allows federal level access to records. And of course, states do it as well. They have similar laws, so we sue there. So we've been able to uncover all sorts of records about corruption issues that the media isn't terribly interested in pursuing, the Congress is arguably incapable of pursuing, but the American people desperately want to know about.And one of the things we do is we represent whistle-blowers, those who've been victimized by the government for daring to blow the whistle on government misconduct, meaning government officials, and then of course the victims of government misconduct as well.And so in doing so, we not only advance the rule of law, but we educate Americans and and other concerned citizens across the world, frankly, about the importance of clean government, honest government, and transparent government.Well, I think just on you, one thing I read on your Wikipedia, which is always good fun to read, and that in 2022, researchers found that Fitton was the third most prolific purveyor of election misinformation on Twitter during the late months of 2020.That's quite a badge of honour, isn't it?
I was hoping for at least a silver medal. Well, the left is obsessed with depicting anything they dispute or hateas quote disinformation and of course, the communist left, which is on the rise here in the United States.They really like compiling lists. So I'm all sorts of lists that I'm sure they'll go to if they advance the revolution far enough along, to put me in jail or worse, but these are serious times and I'm half joking, but I, that book title is prescient, isn't it? Republic Under Assault. I often confuse it because I can, it sounds like a Star Wars movie title to me, but our Republic is under assault. And we have this constitutional system here in the United States that the left has decided is not convenient to them anymore. And so they've let folks who don't follow the rule of law and don't care about protecting the institutions that protect our Liberty, they're running the show for, in my view, an entire political party with the acquiescence, if not too often the allegiance of the other political party, the Republicans.On your website, and I've worked with FOIs here, we have a similar system in the UK, but how you have used them is on another level. I think on the, on your website the document archive section there are 27,000 documents. I mean that is a huge resource of information and it really is a window on government corruption that you've just made available to the public to use as they see fit.
Yeah, I don't, it would be difficult to overstate the nature of our work in terms of the scope in what we've been able to uncover. We have thousands of Freedom of Information Act requests, I could come up with a number which may or may not be correct, but it's thousands and it would be shocking if the actual number was certified for you. And I know it's hundreds of Freedom of Information Act lawsuits, so there's no one more, there's no one who does more litigation to uncover what the government's up to, not only here in the United States, but worldwide. And you know, I know it's this is more of an international audience is that, you know, we're kind of unusual here in the United States, given our work. Now, I'm pleased to say, because of our aggressive heavy lifting on FOIA, others now know about it as a way to get access to information. But it's relatively unique here in the United States to just have a group focused on uncovering and battling government corruption. And to me, it's a great testament. I know there there are a lot of issues here in America, but it's a great testament to the American way and our rule of law that allows a little Judicial Watchto go into court and the IRS or the State Department or the Treasury, FBI, DOJ, they need to go into court and answer to the court as to why they're not giving us documents and what they're withholding and justify it.And so that's a rarity here in the United States and I know worldwide, we just don't have that sort of accountability in a regular way. First of all, if you're doing it in most other countries, you face financial ruin, imprisonment, injury, death to you and your family potentially. And that's just in France.
 
Yeah. So true.
You know, the point is, even in Western Europe, they don't like civic society. That's the term I use. They call it the non-governmental sector, which to me is just so communist in approach.It's the government, everything else, the government has to justify its role as a sector.The NGOs don't need their own little sector.We should be running the show, non-government entities. But as you, and I don't need to tell you in the United Kingdom, there are just few independent civic groups.Usually they're either creatures of the government or of the parties.And so it's hard for them to get the traction we're able to get here in the United States.And you see when a few of them do get traction or when there's more of a populist movement, how vociferous the reaction is by the state there in Europe and frankly in Canada and elsewhere. So thank God for America but you know this is this is a more than just a third world problem government corruption it's a first world problem.
 
Yeah no completely and what you're doing shines a light on that and expose the things the government obviously don't want people to see.But maybe I could just go through some of the freedom of information that you have done that gives people an idea of your work and an idea what's possible and shows the failures of government and institutions. I think one of the most recent ones just a few days ago was Biden's targeting of Christians and Judicial Watch have just filed a Freedom of Information Act along with Catholic vote civil action against the FBI and the Department of Justice. Why on earth are the government spying on Christians.Well, if you're a leftist, it makes sense, right? The church is an enemy of the state, unnecessarily.Certainly the left's cultural agenda here in the United States, whether it be abortion or radical transgender extremism.And so the FBI, they know who butters their bread, and they follow or they come up with things that they think will appeal, to their political masters, who are the left.And one thing this agency did in Richmond, Virginia, so the FBI, for those of you not here in the United States, and those of you here in the United States may not know this, you've got the FBI headquarters, but the offices of the FBI, the Richmond office and the New York office, they're kind of their own fiefdoms as well.And so they're substantial in terms of their power and influence.And Richmond's and the Richmond office decided that, you know, traditionalist Catholics could, be attractive to the terrorists they want to monitor domestically.And I mean, it's really laughable, Peter. It's worth reading.Everyone should read it.It just shows you how out of control the government is and how stupid it is.They do an analysis under the guise of this intelligence threat assessment of Vatican II and the debates in the church about Vatican II.So do you want the FBI analysing those who support the Latin mass versus those who think we should have a mass in the everyday tongue of the country?It's just incredible.But what's frightening is the document also makes it clear that they want to get sources in the Church.So what they were planning was spying onto the Catholic Church, using them as, using these sources as tripwires, right, to get the bad guys who are too pro-life or too extreme in terms of defending children from mutilation and such. So, you know, you shouldn't have to go to your, go to mass or go to church. In this case, obviously, the Catholic Church was being specifically targeted, but every Christian should worry and wonder if your pastor or or your priest is spying on you and watching what you're saying, or whether your fellow parishioner that you shared a sign of the peace with is, is it informant for the FBI?And now, of course, the FBI and the Justice Department run from that document once it became disclosed as a result of a whistle-blower disclosure to a former FBI agent.But I'm not confident that they've stopped this type of approach and, indeed the fact that they haven't given us documents about this scandal suggests there's more to, hide. That's why we're in court.
Well, how does that spying on its own citizens and the understanding that being a conservative is somehow dangerous to society?Does that just happen as the FBI under a Democrat regime, or is it so ingrained, that hatred of conservatism, that actually that prevails whoever is in the White House?Oh, well, you know, the history of the FBI is one of an agency that is often used to either protect or target the enemies of the sitting president, and they don't need to be told to do it.They kind of, as I said, they instinctively know who butters their bread.But I think things changed a bit with Donald Trump.He came in, was seemingly hostile to virtually every institution in the country, the drain the swamp approach.And so they decided that he needed to be taken out. And so you had these mandarins in the FBI decide that they were going to be, and I think actually, I forget who mentioned it, referenced the Praetorian Guard of old.They started off as quote, defenders of the Republic, right?And instead they became their own power centre. And I think we're seeing that with the FBI and the Justice Department.I was looking at their budget documents the other day, 30, I think it's 35, 37,000 staff, 13,000, which includes 13,000 FBI special agents, you know, $10-11 billion budget, and, I suspect that's about the size of most countries' militaries.And they're not just checking out, you know, and when you've got a bureaucracy that big, they're not just looking for bank robbers.No, I can bet. One of the other recent, people can go up on the website, obviously, and see all the press releases and the many regular FOIs, but universities being controlled from abroad, and this was a document showing the Texas A&M, which is a university there, it appeared to to receive $500 million, that's half a billion dollars, in grants from Qatar regime.And that's something massively concerning. We've had concerns here in the UK about Chinese influence on our universities especially, but also there is money and influence coming from the Middle East that probably is opposed to anything you would want freedom-wise in your country.So tell us about that.Well, when you give someone $500 million, you usually want something.You either want recognition or something in the least, the most charitable interpretation is, you know, at the university level, major donors usually seek recognition or to advance a specific academic goal.And so the question is, what was the goal here? I think, again, what, you know, it's one thing to say, oh, look at this money, it's terrible.You know, you just can't draw a conclusion. Well, someone gave money a gift, therefore it's terrible.You have to see what the circumstances are.And here the circumstances are, it looks like there was underreporting of the amount that was given.And it also is only being disclosed after hard-fought litigation in state courts that went up and down the Texas courts against the Qatar Foundation, which is a front for the terrorist-linked regime there.And so, if everything was on the up and up, this would have been a straightforward request for information. Indeed, Texas A&M I don't think had any initial objection.We had to fight the government, the Qatar government in lawfare here in the United States.It was really quite incredible.And, to me, it's like an easy, it's easy pickings if you're a foreign government seeking the influence, you just give money to universities and such.And in the case of China, there's a kind of almost an inherent, there's a special interest group because forget about giving money directly through Confucius Institutes or whatever the latest version of their academic fronts are, but you have a half, let's say a half a million Chinese residents here in the United States going to school, most of whom are paying full tuition.So the universities all of a sudden become advocates for this, just potentially dangerous relationships that we develop with these foreign countries through our higher education system.
 
Another story that broke and I didn't realize that you had been involved in putting the FOI.
 
We're involved in everything.
 
Yeah, I get it. So we talked about the power of the CCP but actually the story broke I think a month ago and the headline was the Federal Bureau investigation misled and stonewalled Judicial Watch on legitimate public record requests involving illegal Chinese police station opening in New York. And then your FOI, actually the people who you had put that in about, they suddenly get arrested. That is really concerning that a foreign government would have a police presence in the US and it makes you wonder kind of what else else is happening. But that was, again, your FOI that you'd put in.Yeah, I mean, we, you know, the idea that there are police fronts operating in the United States is not a new issue. You know, the folks have noted it and it took forever and a day, it looks like, for the FBI to get on it. And, you know, we asked for the documents and we got the run-around or they pretended there was no issue and didn't have anything to give to us. But sometimes even a non-answer is, indicates government scandal and corruption, but think about having the goal to run a police agency, practically speaking, that not only targets Chinese residents who are foreign nationals here in the United States, but American Chinese citizens, American citizens of Chinese origin.What chutzpah? And but on the other hand, you have a regime that thinks low enough of the United States and has Biden evidently deep enough in its back pocket that they can send in a spy craft to attack our sovereignty and do figure eights with no repercussions, practically speaking, above our secure military installations in the heartland of our country.In the heartland of our country. You have to wonder, obviously, what the Chinese are concluding from our lack of seeming outrage, I wonder what all of our friends must think, too.They won't defend themselves. Well, how can we rely on them to defend us or to help us, if push comes to shove?
Completely, and that one you'd put in, again in the UK, we put in FOI and they come back and say the information is too difficult to obtain and then you can put another FOI, but you then go down the legal route. That's intriguing. You're not without teeth that you're using the legal system, you're not simply requesting according to what your statutory allowed to receive, you're actually then going to the court. So you have that threat and it's often that threat or actually you in the courtroom forces the government to release the information.Yeah that's true, it's actually going to court that often gets a response and you can imagine it's the United States government, it spends more money than mine is, so and the bureaucracy is huge so that their resting state is incompetence or refusal to comply with the law since, there's little accountability on that and the only way to get their attention is through a federal court case often. But that also has, you know, thankfully thanks to Judicial Watch's well-known record for going to court, other FOIAs sometimes do get responded to that otherwise wouldn't. For instance, we've done a ton of FOIAs on and lawsuits on on COVID, its origins, the vaccine, et cetera.And it was just a separate FOIA that wasn't a lawsuit, but they knew we were sniffing around and had similar lawsuits on the same issue, that just disclosed recently that the Fauci Agency was funding in China through EcoHealth Alliance, which is a third party, a front or a pass-through for grants, the creation of literal mutant coronaviruses, And that's a quote. Mutants.To see how or if they could infect humanized mice.I never thought to call gain of function viruses mutants, but it's a rather obvious point.And of course, our government's figured out that's what they are too.And they've been lying to us about what they've been doing for years.And the conclusion from that, which to me is, to me, this is some of the biggest, the most important material, Peter, at least on this issue we've uncovered, it helps explain why there was this fanatic desperation to discount the lab leak theory.Because if it was, quote, a leak from a lab, and I don't know why we presume it was a leak if it came from a lab, it was either a natural virus in the lab that got out somehow, or it was an engineered virus.And what was the technique for engineering it, And what was the set of viruses that were engineered?Well, the answers to those two latter questions are it was the United States.And the gain-of-function technique was a US biological approach that we shared and exported to China.So, this COVID origin story isn't just about what the Chinese were doing, in my view.And that shows, because many conservatives have had big concerns at the government's role, institutions' role within that.But it's one thing to have concerns and suspicions, it's another thing to have the documentary evidence.Going through your FOI seems time and time again that you're providing the evidence to back up what the suspicions that have been there over time, but most other people are not doing that. It's you that are going in and actually delivering on the hard facts for the issues.Yeah, I know a lot of folks who have conspiracy theories, what is derided as, what are derided as conspiracy theories, and my view is actually the truth is usually worse than the conspiracy theory. It's worse once you know what they actually did, and it's usually folks with the conspiracy theories, they're usually in the right ballpark, but they've got the specifics and the mechanisms and the people involved wrong, and sometimes the motivation's wrong, but their suspicions generally are correct. Something went wrong with the way the vaccines were manufactured. That process was politicized and is untrustworthy, and how it was pushed out and information about the issues related to the vaccine were handled. Something went wrong about the vaccine, excuse me, the coronavirus and its origins. There was reason to suspect that what we were being told wasn't true. Or we should at least examine all sorts of possibilities, as opposed to just pretending some questions are you're not allowed to ask. I mean, this is the craziness of these days, Peter. It's not even saying this happened, or I believe this happened. You're not even allowed to ask the question.And I tell you, the wonderful thing about FOIA is we get to ask those questions.
Well, we find, yeah, that's an area you don't touch on. And another area you don't touch on, which you've talked about, another, we're told, is a conspiracy, is election integrity.And that's also because we've seen some lawsuits going in favour of actually cleaning up the system within states.But one of the FOIs you'd put in was in Colorado. And it's, the statement was, Judicial Watch announced that Colorado's Secretary of State agreed to settle a lawsuit alleging that Colorado had failed to remove ineligible voters from its rules. As part of a settlement, Colorado, I love this, will report to Judicial Watch on its yearly progress in cleaning up its rules for the next six years.I love that they have to answer to you, but that's a state-by-state issue that needs to be addressed, and that's one state that you then had a victory on, and I guess that has to happen state-by-state.
Yeah. Well, and we've been successful state by state. And that's not the FOIA. That's not Freedom of Information Act. That's a law that allows, under federal law, aggrieved parties to sue states and localities that aren't taking reasonable steps to clean up the voter rolls.And I think this translates internationally. If you have a list of people who are eligible to vote, you should make sure that list is as accurate and up-to-date as you reasonably can, because it invites fraud, right, if oh so-and-so moved and died or died I'm still getting their ballot or I know their their name is on the list I'm gonna vote in their name or do something other than something else nefarious which is why the law requires the list to be cleaned up it's not just Tom Fitton being worried that's the reason the laws there otherwise why would you have it, and of course at the federal level the leftist running the Justice Department have little interest in cleaning up voter rolls because I believe certainly here in the United Statesand I'm not naïve that both political sides, both sides of the aisle are often tempted to mess with election results.But they don't want cleaner elections here in the United States.And I think it's because, because I can't think of any other reason.They oppose voter ID, they oppose cleaning up the rolls. They want to expand the idea of voting from one day, through entire months.They want unsupervised voting, which is the way to think about mail-in balloting.And that's something that no one else does.And I don't like the point to say, oh, no other country does this, because usually most every other country does things wrong.But I don't think any sensible person thinks that having millions of ballots be mailed out, and people filling those ballots out And just mailing them back is any way to run an honest election.No completely, and I know we-
 
And necessarily undermines confidence in the election system.Even if people participate in it, they realize, boy, how do they make sure no one is being intimidated when they vote?How do they make sure no one is, that the actual voter who sends the ballot in is who the person says they are?Oh, if they collect ballots, how do we know those ballots are collected properly and there's certifications about their origin?there was no intimidation in the collection process. None of that is, practically speaking, checkable under the new systems that were set up under the pretext of the COVID pandemic.
Completely. Well, I know we often look to the States for hope here in Europe, but we just had an election and maybe one thing the US can learn from the motherland is that we actually do paper ballots. It's all counted on the one day and we don't use any voting dominion systems and it's it's all done and dusted and by 3 a.m. the next day you've got a result.
 
Yeah I mean and there's no excuse for the United States not to be able to do that. You know people say well the United States a bigger country. Well we don't run elections nationally, it's state by state. So there's no reason any major state in this nation can't figure out who won on election day.And we've also had another breakthrough where they now require voter ID so the left have realized it's not actually racist to ask someone for ID so we've had another breakthrough.
 
Well it's funny you know the left used to not like vote by mail because it used to be used by elderly republicans to vote.And then they decided they liked it. And everyone used to understand vote by mail was a kind of a recipe and invited voter fraud until it became politically, until they realized well we kind of like that so let's do more of it.
 
One of the other big things has been that the Trump raid records and I know you put down FOI and I think last month you'd said that you'd, they had released, the National Archives had released 1,200 pages of 8,000 records about that unprecedented raid. Tell us about that because it's vital that the American public know what was behind that, the reasons, the conversations, and I guess that will be another case of you then going to court to force those release off the other what six and a half thousand documents.
Well, let's take a step back here, Peter. Back in, it was like 10, 12 years ago, we found out that Bill Clinton had tapes of recordation's of his conversations with foreign leaders and members of Congress that he kept after he left office.Right? And we thought, well, isn't that a presidential record?You know, I don't need to explain, practically speaking, what that might mean.Talking to foreign leaders typically are, you know, those talks are almost always classified inherently.And we went to court and the Justice Department and the National Archives, which is the federal bureaucracy that handles presidential records, their preservation and such, they came to us and said, no, we can't, you can't force us to get these records.And the court said, you have to defer to the president.He gets to decide what's personal and what's not.And the Justice Department in a court hearing said, you know what, if he has records after he leaves the Oval Office, they're presumptively personal.So compare and contrast that with their new position, 180 degree difference, with President Trump.And so the same archives that went out of its way to protect Bill Clinton's right to keep whatever records he wanted, conspired against President Trump to try to nail him on this records dispute criminally.And, you know, it's basically a civil matter, even if it is a dispute and there's a basis for it.And now they don't want to tell us that, because to get the records, it's all about transparency, right? We got to know what the president was doing.Well, now we don't, they won't tell us what they were doing to go after the president.And to take a step further back, I'm kind of getting a little bit in the weeds there.But and in America here, the political media class, they like to talk about this as if it's serious and important. No one buys it.I mean, I tell you.There isn't a foreign leader who doesn't look at what America is doing and say, okay, the current president, his agencies are trying to jail the former president, and his number one opponent in the presidential campaign. They don't need the details.They don't need the, oh, oh, but this is why it's important. This is, this is the terrible crime.They see through it and they see America that's no better than anyone else internationally in the way they are supposed to follow the rule of law. And I think it's a terrible national security and international embarrassment to the United States because now our moral, you know, the moral weight we could throw when we talk about the concerns about having fair elections and accountable government and consent to the government. Well, all that's out the window.They're trying to jail Trump simply because he opposed the wrong people here in Washington, not because of any personal misconduct. And Putin and Xi and, you know, frankly, Macron and whoever the current office holder is in Downing Street, that changes, I know, every three months.
 
It does. It's Rishi Sunak today, but who knows who it will be tomorrow.
You know, they see what's happening in the United States, and they also recognize that attitude is there in their home countries. I mean, there isn't a major politician in any Western country that doesn't sit there because of the lack of rule, because of this contempt for consent of the government that doesn't sit there at the the sufferance of the deep state.
Which is, in my view, transnational in nature in terms of their attitude.It doesn't mean they're conspiring saying we got to put this person on this piece in this place on the chessboard. No, it's an approach and it's a shared approach.
One other area, and we had Miranda Devine on a few weeks ago and the Laptop from Hell and looking at Hunter Biden and you'd filed an FOI for a gun owned by him and I thought someone who had such a drug issue, an alcohol issue, wouldn't be eligible to get a gun but somehow. So tell us about that because obviously Hunter Biden's background, all the the business dealings that leads directly to Joe Biden himself.Well there are a few things there and so he was dating the widow of his brother and they got into a fight or dispute and she allegedly took his gun and threw it in a dumpster across the street from a school. Law enforcement got involved and the political reporting, the reporting on it was that the Secret Service and the FBI came and went to the store from which he purchased the gun and vacuumed up documents.So, to me, that shows improper involvement by federal agencies to take care of a political problem for the son of a major political figure.But when you think about the petty nature of what he kind of had to come in and sweep up for, and of course, we've been suing about those records, right?It helps explain, well, if they're doing that for little stuff, can you imagine what they're doing for big stuff?And certainly they've had the so-called Hunter laptop for at least since 19, excuse me, 2019.It's like a Hamlet-style agony about whether to prosecute Hunter since then, even though they have him dead to rights in a series of crimes.But there's new information now that just came out here from senior members of Congress that the FBI had evidence that Joe Biden had specifically been involved in a bribery scheme with a foreign nationals vice president, and all the evidence that's out there from the laptop and other witnesses suggest and show that Joe Biden was a beneficiary of Hunter's business dealings.So he got a cut of the action, you know, the infamous 10% for the big guy approach.So Hunter, I mean, Biden, Joe was a ran his operation like a Rico operation, a racketeering operation, a mob operation.And I think the challenge for his Justice Department, which is first and foremost moving to protect him, is they can't get at Hunter without getting and raising issues about Joe.So that's why you have this stalling and this hemming and hawing about, what you're going to go, if you go after Hunter for failing to disclose money on his tax returns, what about all the money he was giving his father?Is it he's subject to the same type of scrutiny? And if he hasn't, why not?We're in a crisis here. And you know, and some of that money came from the mayor of Moscow's wife. So you've got the Putin connection, Burisma. At least that was a company. So.Burisma was a Russian leading company. And then of course, you have the Chinese who were who had Hunter in their back pocket as well, obviously, because of his name and the influence. And it wasn't like the vice president was involved in all of this as vice president.So when Putin's making decisions and Xi is making decisions, how is it that they're not calculating Biden's corruption in their decision-making?You know, they're compromised, right? He's obviously has cognitive difficulties.He's compromised by the very public figures the public figures or political figures in China and Russia making these dangerous decisions.And so, you know, maybe, oh, does it mean we invade Ukraine because Biden's in our back pocket?No, but I would suggest it's a factor. Does it mean we are more aggressive around Taiwan or generally in China because Biden's in our back pocket?No, it's not the only reason, but certainly it's a factor. Too me it's a national security issue and it would be for any other country worth it's salt.All the issues you kind of talk about seem to be the Democrat party behind institutions, and I'm wondering will it come to the point where organizations like Judicial Watch and others need to actually go after either those on Capitol Hill or those in the institutions, AGs, I mean will it have to be actually going after those within the party itself?Well, we don't go after them under law because they are Democrats.We don't go after someone because they're Republicans. We try to apply the law.Or, you know, apply our focus without regard to political party.Though generally speaking, big government usually means big corruption.So we have all that money being spent. There's usually a lot of money sloshing up over the sides, right? Or it's usually being directed to political supporters as opposed to those in the public interest. And so ideologically, if you support bigger government, you tend to be more involved in corruption. I mean, it's just kind of, to me, it just goes with the just, it's part of the package. Now, Republicans, they abuse government to target us. They refuse to take action against corruption too often because they think politically it's not feasible or won't work for them, which to me is also a form of corruption.And so this temptation is great among both Republican and Democrats to kind of abuse these powers entrusted to them, especially if they think no one's watching.And I think the problem's not insurmountable. there's always going to be, you spend $4 trillion, there's going to be corruption, okay?But let's avoid having a Justice Department that is just thrown out all semblance of being dispassionate.Let's maybe have an FBI that is significantly curtailed, or if not, radically repurposed, to focus more on traditional law enforcement than political targeting of individuals.Let's ensure that our elections are as clean as we reasonably can.You know, the temptation is great. I mean, North Carolina, they had the stay here in the United States.They had to redo a congressional election because a Republican, essentially was engaged in a massive fraud.So we just have to be constantly vigilant. That's the price of freedom.To finish off with, Tom, for 25 years you've been president of Judicial Watch.And I guess there are many stories that if Judicial Watch hadn't been there, then the truth would never be told.And I think what you're doing is a model for other countries.And I know your focus is on the US, but there are other countries across Europe that have a similar freedom of information system, but it hasn't been used as well as you have used what you have there.
 
Go ahead, I'm sorry.
 
You obviously raise money from the public, you've got a big team, and tell us about that because ideally what you've built there is something that actually could be rolled out and used in other countries.
 
Well, we're able to fundraise directly and the fundraising laws here in the United States are very friendly to grassroots groups and the non-governmental organizations, a phrase I hate, to be able to raise public support and that's much harder, my understanding is, in other countries. It's just more difficult to raise money directly from the public, as I said, outside the, you know, they usually rely on the government or the creatures of the party. But there's a growing conservative movement internationally to address this transnational left-wing threat. Our folks are there in Europe this week now for CPAC Hungary, right, and there are conservatives from all over Europe there hanging out, figuring out ways to oppose Lothiathan.
 
Yeah, and I know I'm watching CPAC Hungary. So, Tom, thank you for your time. It's fascinating. I've followed Judicial Watch for quite a while and it's exciting to see what you're doing. So thank you for coming along and sharing insights on what is happening there with Judicial Watch.
 
Well, best of luck to you, Peter, thanks for having me on.
 
Thank you.

The Week According To . . . Karli Bonne’

Much excitement this episode as we head across the pond to welcome a new guest to Hearts of Oak, Karli Bonne'.Karli runs arguably the No 1 Conservative and current affairs social media account on the web, so this is a lady with her finger firmly on the pulse of what's happening now.So who better than 'The Cackling Conservative' to talk through what has piqued our interest in the news, in articles and from her social media posts over the past seven days.Buckle up 'Midnight Riders' as Karli and Peter take a close look at....- The crowning of King Charles III.- Sleepy Joe Biden misses the coronation of King Charles because he has a 'lot going on' !!- New York City shelters 'maxed out' with migrants.- Laptop From Hell: Biden says son Hunter 'has done nothing wrong'.- TikTok workers 'compiled list of users who browsed gay content'.- Boston holds 'Satan-Con' 2023.- EU displays Satanic Anti-Christian artwork by godless lesbian in Parliament.- 2024 National Republican Primary Polls.- The Don visits Scotland. Trump on top form as he lands North of the border.- Tucker Carlson makes first public appearance since Fox News committed Hari-Kari. - Military Bud Light moment? Drag performer is Navy's new 'digital ambassador' in bid to boost recruitment.Karli Bonne' is a retired model, dancer and a Rockstar wanna be.Now she is a full blown MAGA maniac video clipper with three phones, continuously laughing at the establishment because it’s like holy water on a demon. And these demons must be eradicated.You must follow her here....Telegram: https://t.me/realKarliBonne (Midnight Rider Channel)Truth: https://truthsocial.com/@KarliBonneGETTR: https://gettr.com/user/karlibonneTwitter: https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita?s=20Originally broadcast live 6.5.23Transcript available on our Substack...https://heartsofoak.substack.com/
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(Hearts of Oak)And it is always good to have a new guest on, and it's good to have Karli Bonne' with us today.Karli', thank you so much for joining us.
 
(Karli Bonne')Wonderful to be here. I was saying to you before we started to be speaking with someone with that beautiful British accent on Coronation Day, and I took the liberty to ask you for apologies in advance for any memes or anything that I might have posted.That you would find offensive, but it's all good. We discussed it and we understand each other perfectly. It's all in jest, but congratulations. This is a historic day.
It is. It is. And certainly, I know that you always speak your mind. Any jest and good humour and mocking is always welcome. So people can find you @KaliBonne on Getter and Truth and @KarliBonnita on Twitter and @RealKarliBonne on Telegram, nearly forgot there, find you on Telegram.And you, I just feel bad bringing you on because I think you're just up day and night posting.So I feel bad cutting into your proper job.
I well, I've been doing this a long time. This is a new Twitter account. I've had like eight in the past.Elon Musk or his team reinstated one of my accounts midnight rider, But I no longer possess the phone does that I did it on doesn't work. I don't have the email or the, password so I just stare at it I look at it I go on Twitter said oh there's my old account and I waved to it I can't do anything with it and a dear friend from the Keystone Channel when I got finally got kicked off Twitter for the last time started my telegram account for me and now recently she started this Twitter account and they can't get me because she lives in Mexico now where she used to live in Europe.So, you know, I'm biding my time. I haven't even been on like a full week, you know?And it's like, you're on Twitter when you've been kicked off so many times, you're like, you're constantly looking over your shoulder. When are they gonna take me down?You know, I already got an 11 hour timeout.I got smacked on the hand because I called Brian Killmeade on Fox News a whore.But you know, it I didn't you know, it was a lovingly.You know, he does like a hundred different shows He does radio and anytime there's an open slot they stick his his head in and he took I mean, Tuckers seat wasn't even cold, and they popped him in there and you know, we were, I don't think it was just me. I think all of America was just livid over this and to put him in there. I guess, you know, and then, you know, he's had a few words about Steve Bannon and that really set me off. So the timeout was worth it and they didn't make me take down the tweet. So Brian Killmeade is still a whore.
Give us give us a minute of your background. We were chatting before, obviously, you said what you're doing is, is fairly recent, although you're a master of editing those videos.But what was your, what was your life leading up to that?
Well, as I told you, I was a wannabe rock star.My whole life I wanted to do acting or singing or modelling. I've tried it all.A lot of extra work. I sang in a Russian restaurant for almost 30 years of my life, every weekend, every holiday, every New Year's.And so, that was something I would imitate Marilyn Monroe. I had different characters I would do. And in between that, rock bands. We discussed how I lived in London for a couple of years trying to make it in music. And that was back in the day when we had People's Express Airlines and it was only $99 to fly to London. And the dollar was almost equal with the pound.So I had the most glorious wardrobe shopping in Kensington. And I lived in Camden Town.I worked at the Dingwalls restaurant in Camden Town and the big place you wanted to see was the Camden Lock, which was this little waterway with a little bridge and little canoes going through. That was the tourist attraction in Camden Town.
Still is.When all of that failed and I kept trying, I started, because I was posting my music, I started with MySpace and Facebook and then all of a sudden this whole thing with politics started and I was like, who is this Trump guy?I mean, I loved him on TV, always made me laugh. And then I was like, they keep attacking this guy.There's something up with that. And I've been a Trumper ever since.And I have three phones.I just post and post and post and get the videos out there Telegram is a great, App because I can edit the videos right on telegram Which saves a lot of timeand this this just what I do now. I try to make people laugh. I keep them informed I use the telegram is like almost like an aggregator, I post everything on there. A lot of people say well, why do you post clips from Fox and I'm like, Because it's basically the only app that lets me rip the video.Where I tried it with CNN MSNBC. You can't do it. They have it blocked. You can't screen record and I do everything from an iPhone I have like three little mini computers on my bed and I work, you know, like this I put the big glasses on and this is what I do. But I enjoy it. There's a lot of wonderful people that support me and use the videos. It's all good.
I love having that telegram and getting all those clips that you put out, but let's jump in to the news. And as I said, today was was a huge day in British history. And I also get all the huge issues and push back on all the WEF stuff, everything else and I get that.But I do love the pageantry which is in the UK. So ProJam, can we play the first video? (video plays)God save the King!(music)And it goes on. That's a little, but what were your thoughts as someone across the pond, kind of, we obviously, Queen Elizabeth after such a long time, passed away, but kind of, how do you view those type of events? Is it with curiosity? Is it mocking even? Tell us Karli.
Well, I mock everything. I have no mercy. I mock everything. But, you know, I've always, you know, the pageantry is beautiful, you know, and you like the intrigue. I'm not a big, crown fan. I don't watch the series or anything like that. I do love period pieces, because I love the costumes. I love the clothing. You know, you love all the gold and the diamonds, you know. You'd be a liar if you didn't like all that. And, you know, wanted to see what what Harry was going to do.And you know, I had it on the TV, but I was too busy making memes about it. I'm so sorry.But no, it was beautiful. You know, I woke up just in time to see Charles crowned, and there it is, it's done.And now tonight, which I find pretty amazing, they're gonna have the big concert, and all the people in this concert are American performers.What does that say? Here you have, here's your new king, who's very big with the W E F and the climate and all the stuff you would think Labour and all the lefties would appreciate where the queen was just like, you know, kept it on the down low.You know, she wasn't vocal. I mean, if you hear Trump's story about her, she said, oh, I like everyone.Everyone is wonderful. You know, she was just neutral and just kept the ship sailing.You know, this guy, Charles has come out and has said things like, we're all gonna die.We gotta do something about the climate. And you know, I don't know, is he gonna still do this?But the fact that you don't have, you know, where's Adele? Where's Elton John?I mean, why aren't they performing? I mean, this is a real slap in the face by your own people.That we got, we got Katy Perry over there and Lionel Richie. I mean, they had to take the stars from our Idol TV show. Seriously. There's one video out where there was a view of the chapel, and you can see like this figure that looks like he's the Grim Reaper walking across.And I put up, I said, is Gandalf Katy Perry's plus one today?Because they made a big thing. She had a whole article that she was making fun.She couldn't find her seat. We had, well, they had Jill Biden, the professor, Dr.Jill, the professor, all the way in the back row behind Slavonia.And, you know, she's all the way in the back. Joe Biden couldn't even be bothered to go. He said last night on his Fluff Piece, interview that he's very busy. You know, he's getting, you know, he wants to finish the job.He's very busy.
 
Can I bring what actually you, the president, actually the president did come, Dr. Jill did come. I think she probably knows what's happening much more than Joe. But this is, I did find this Funny, Professor Curtains.Tell us about this, because she does seem to blur in. And there she is with her, was her granddaughter.And it does look like the Ukrainian flag in many parts, as she did.
And their carpeting was Ukrainian flag colours. Did you see that?
I saw that. Saw that.
I was like, what is that all about? You know, I am friends with a lot of, people that look into things like this and see it as messages, you know, is there a conspiracy there?
It's yeah,
 
It's it's not that you're putting up the lookout on.Ronda, Ronda Nell, Iowa. I inspired her because it seems like everything that Jill Biden wears looks like a piece of furniture or curtains or something. And she did a whole thread over on Twitter with all the different looks like Jill Biden is a couch.Today, they put up she actually looked a little bit like if they melted them both together, it would have been Snow White's outfit, even with the little bow in the hair.It's just crazy. And she did shower curtains. See, I joke when I put it in a tweet that's like, there's what is Alice wearing today? The joke is she looks like Alice Cooper. Yeah.And we say, you know, and I'll put up an outfit that she has on at the time and I'll say, okay, everybody, what the hell is Alice Cooper wearing today?Everyone goes nuts and they do the side by side pictures and it's just become this running gag and some people have done whole threads.[14:24] They have found actual tablecloths and curtains and throw rugs and couches and vinyl shower curtains that have matched all her outfits. It's very disturbing. This is the First Lady.It's very disturbing. Yesterday she met with Kate. And I believe it was the Zelensky's wife. And they both had solid colours on they look very nice. And she came in with this flower dress. I said all I got to do is tip her over and put the tea on top of her and use her as a table.Cause she looked like she was wearing the tablecloth.
It's true, I saw that.
 
It's so embarrassing.Well, yeah, you've got many things in your political worlds are embarrassing.Actually, we also are the same, but let me, this was a clip, I think it was from Fox News.You'd posted talking about Biden being rude and anti-British. Let's bring this up.Pro Jam. Can you play that little clip?
 
(video plays)
Here in London. Also missing, of course, along with Meghan Markle, is Joe Biden.Biden is absent from the coronation. I do think this is a very rude signal that Biden is sending to the British people. A lot of unhappiness, certainly on the ground in the UK, with regard to Biden not bothering to attend. And Biden is seen by many Brits as very anti-British.Really? You know, Hilary,
 
You see the woman, she said yes, because you realize it was just a week ago he was in Ireland. And he had the crowds all swooning and you know he can't get crowds like that in his own country. They all sit in little circles.
 
They actually believe he's the president there, so they do come out. But you're right, he was over in Ireland and the whole thing was he was in Northern Ireland and the car, I think someone had posted, didn't even have a Union Jack on the car but he went to the Republic of Ireland and again all the tricolour flags and it seemed to be two fingers up to Britain. So yeah.
 
That question, because you would know this better than I do, the part of Ireland he supposedly is part of or his, you know, lineage or whatever, is this the part of Ireland that doesn't want Brexit? Are they part of Brexit?
So it was part of the Republic of Ireland. So the Republic being a separate country for just over 100 years. So you've got Northern Ireland as part of the UK, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And you've got the issue with Brexit in Northern Ireland.But the issue is Republic of Ireland rely on the United Kingdom, Northern Ireland for trade.So anything that happens to us hits them.But it's a yeah, it's it's a very.
 
We did one of these.
 
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Yeah, I know how to curse in British.But was that was that reported on at all? His trip over by a Biden trip over to the UK?
Oh yes, they made a very big deal of it, you know.They're saying, oh, look how they welcomed him. And meanwhile, he was having his usual brain farts.He's there with Hunter, now supposedly Hunter, the broke son who wants to give less money to his daughter.OK? He supposedly slept on a cot while he was in Ireland.I'm like, give me a break.A lot of stuff is hitting the fan. I don't know if that was like their last hurrah trip.And then Jill going to England without Joe, like Joe is playing it low key, or they're basically, he's announced that he's running.So now there's no debates and they're gonna run the basement campaign they did during COVID.He did a little puff interview last night. Even with the editing, it was terrible.
What, 10 p.m.?Was it late at night, 10 p.m. I saw.
 
Well, I don't know that it might've been taped.I don't think it was live.Okay, so I think it was definitely after tapioca and close to bedtime.So I think, you know, they got him. He was still a lunch bag. It's embarrassing.But he has the media covering for him.He has newspapers covering for him. And now, I noticed that I'm on Twitter now.I would always check. They never tweeted for him much. I know he doesn't tweet.The man does not tweet.Okay, he just learned how to take selfies this past year. Because I remember when he started his campaign, he didn't even know how to open the phone.He was looking to see if it flips open.Okay, but he doesn't tweet, but it seems his staff, they think they're going to get him out there through social media.So today it's been like a tweet storm. I've lowered these costs and I've added these jobs.And it's like every 20 minutes or so, it's a new tweet with some lying stats.And what's great now that Elon purchased Twitter, he's getting community noted to death.He's getting fact-checked by the community.Not by Politico, not by all those phony fact-checkers that used to fact-check all of us.No, it's the community, because this is the town square. This is where we all go.We're all independent.We think independently, and we see that this is a lie.So it's a beautiful thing. Now, this is why they didn't get rid of TikTok.Because if you go over to tick-tock and I'm on my fourth or fifth or sixth account over there because they kept taking me down. They hate Steve Bannon on TikTok, Hate him. I've lost so many accounts He's the guy, gotta stop putting up the Steve Bannon videos, you know, and I'm like, I'm never gonna stop doing that, But it's all these young, with 1 million 2 million followers young lefty kids and and they've invited them to the White House.This is, you know, they're going to run their campaign the way they think Donald Trump did in 2016, where it was social media, minus the rallies, because this man can hardly speak and doesn't know when to get on or off the stage or what direction he's going.I'm just so glad he's announced he's running. It's one of the greatest gifts, I think, to your country.And the world. But you mentioned about in the interview, this is the Daily Mail article, Joe Biden claims he couldn't attend King Charles' coronation because he's got a lot going on. And also the interesting thing, and this was the editorial piece in the Daily Mail, it says, the president dispatched his wife Jill to attend the ceremony's place. I know that was a beautiful dispatched, it seemed to be quite disparaging, quite mocking. I thought this is great, the, media are getting it and they're willing to mock him and I've seen that fairly regularly, where in the first year or so he could do no wrong, he had slayed Trump and suddenly they seem to be turning on him and realising he's an utter disaster.Well, you know, the Daily Mail, that's a British paper, isn't it?So this is very insulting. I mean, they'll do different articles and stuff that are very good, but they cover the monarchy and everything that has to do with the queen or the king now and this, this does not rub them the right way. This is a total two fingers up that he didn't go, that he's too busy. Now I'm sure that the White House didn't use the word dispatched. I'm sure the Daily Mail is taking that a little that's that's their wording. You know, I don't think the White House would say that. And the fact that oh, he's very busy.Well, he's not busy with AI because Kamala is doing that now. He's not busy with the border because he sent my York is down there. What else is he not busy with?I can't think. And also, he's not busy with press conferences. He doesn't do those.What is he busy with? His team is arguing with Hunter Biden's lawyers.Hunter Biden wants to start his own GoFundMe for the lawyers.And Biden's team is like, you can't do that. I mean, we covered for you with the paintings.We couldn't be transparent, you know, you're solo artist, you're out there, you know, who buys your paintings, that's your business, that's separate from the White House.But now you want to start a GoFundMe for your baby mama problems?And now we're finding out, you know, Brennan, that the same cast of evil characters with the Russia Russia Russia hoax. Here we go again. They're the ones that we're talking to Blinken and do we got an IRS whistle-blower? We got other whistle-blowers and it's all bubbling up and you know what's going to happen? They're going to bring in Michelle Obama.How can they really run this guy? They won't let him debate.Yeah. They won't let him go out for too long and speak.They're going to win by tweeting and TikTok? A bunch of kids screaming on TikTok?Think about it. I think, you know, are they gonna have a new kind of COVID?
Don't give them ideas.
 
They're gonna have to pull something because you can see with the polling and with that, even with that softball interview last night, it's utterly embarrassing. And this coronation thing, him not being there, and they're keeping Jill very low profile. They stuck her all the way in the back of the church. Okay. We have no American media taking, you know, oh, she's so glamorous and look at this, you know, because she's not. She walks like she's been on a tractor for six hours. You know, this is not an attractive woman. And see Simpadwey, what kind of stupid thing? She's going to talk like this, like, you know, Jersey girl.Oh, it's such a mess. And, you know, for the life of me, because it's so embarrassing, I can't think like a Democrat and see how the hell do we get out of this mess?
Well, let me bring up, this was the New York Post headline you put up, and this is another thing that Biden is not doing, sorting out the border.Beautiful headline, maxed out with New York City shelters full, Adams buses migrants to Rockland County. Furious officials say this is absurd, we will not stand for it.I love it the way these Democrat cities and states are actually beginning to feel the heat, whenever Texas and Florida and others say, well, enough is enough. How do you view this? Will this force things to happen? Will some of the Democrat voters waken up and realize actually what is happening on the border?
 
Well, it can't be ignored anymore. And this is maxed out now, and this is before title 42 is lifted. Meanwhile, they never were really enforcing it. And they're trying to pass a bill to have title 42 for another two years, because even if it's, It was used for COVID.There's other diseases coming.They have these tent cities and stuff. They got scabies. We could get an outbreak of smallpox, measles. There's all other diseases. It's not just COVID. And they say, well, it was used for COVID.Well, it should be used for the next two years for a lot of things. I've watched videos where they're actually washing lice out of the migrants' hair. This should have been addressed when the first baby. First little baby was thrown over the wall. Not Trump's wall, another piece of wall, someone climbed up there and threw a baby over and left it sitting there. That's when this should have been addressed. When they had they weren't in cages, they were in plastic tents. And Ted Cruz went down there. That's when it should have been addressed. And they're saying, oh, we have a six point plan, eight point plan, my orcas should be thrown out.Actually, the way our country has been so overrun, I consider it treason.And I think Biden should be sent out on a rail.Because this is treasonous. This is invasion of our country.And this has been going on for two years. And they're saying Congress has to do something.We didn't have this problem when Trump was president.And they all had AOC down there crying next to a fence in a parking lot.And she said, oh, they're drinking out of toilets. Meanwhile, it's in those facilities, the sink is on top.And the toilet, it's one fixture. And she's drinking out of toilet, where is she now?Where is she now?They found a young girl was raped so many times, They found 47 or something different kinds of DNA inside of her.They have lost 87,000 children. Joe Biden is a child sex trafficker and a child sex trader, slave trader.They're talking about reparations in California. Look at your president, people.You voted for this man!And he is flesh trading your precious migrants that you're all so concerned about.And now you're saying if the men down there, which is a lot of men, Chinese men, all different countries coming in, if they dress up in drag, they'll be let in immediately. This is the signals they're sending out. We have warriors that are down there at the Darien Gap and at the, border since day one of this nonsense reporting on this. So don't say that this is all new news. We all know about it. America knows about it. A lot of Democrat senators, governors, mayors, congressmen that are on those border states, they don't wanna lose their job. They're speaking up now too.So the fact that they waited until the last minute.It's shameful, it's shameful. I don't want to see anybody in pain.
Well, another thing that's shameful, and you talk about treason, you mentioned it earlier on, this was the headline from Fox News, Biden says Hunter has done nothing wrong ahead of possible indictment. I did listen to him saying that because I thought, no, surely he couldn't have said it.I trust him. I had faith in him and it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him, Biden says of son Hunter Biden. I mean, it's all out there, all the evidence. Again, will the American people get it?Because obviously the last election, this was suppressed and that's all come out.All the information is now out there.What's going to happen? Because it seems as though the net is tightening closer and closer on Hunter.Well, the fact that he went on there, he's gonna stick to it because he's a stubborn, nasty old coot, okay?A lot of people say, oh, he's got the dementia and stuff. I watch him in different settings where he starts drifting off, but then someone will shout a question at him and he'll turn around and snap and you see the nasty old man.All right? So I take the dementia with a grain of salt. I think a lot of it's acting and he's playing the grandpa love me Joe, but he's nasty.Yeah, this is a nasty white trash family. They're white trash. They're trash. And remember the video when Tucker Carlson interviewed Tony Bobulinski and Tony Bobulinski, Tucker asked him, he goes, how are they getting away with this? How did they think they were going to get away with this? And Tucker was being honest. He's like, you know, bewildered. You're telling me all these horrible things and you got proof and you got emails. How are they getting away with it. And Bobulinski just looked at him and said, plausible deniability.Because they're actors. This man, he said last night, I have the best resume, I've been doing this forever.I know better than anyone.Yeah, knows how to play the system, skated through it, kept getting put back in office.You know, you got friends at the unions that are gonna pay for the politics and pay to play.And then you bring in other countries.It's, I just hope this whole thing with Comer doesn't turn out to be like, uh, Trey Gowdy and Benghazi.Because here we all thought, oh, we're going to get some, every time we all thinking we got the popcorn ready and we're going to get some accountability and then it just disappears and we have nothing.And the left laughs. And we're left like just all that energy drained.So I don't get my hopes up. I post what's coming out.I keep everybody up to date with what's happening.And I keep myself up to date.But you know, I take every, I don't get excited anymore.They broke in my spirit. I want to see justice.There's a lot of things we still haven't seen justice for.What happened with Durham? Where is Durham?We made all the memes with, you know, the Punisher shirt and we're, yeah, Durham's coming.He lost two cases and then he disappeared.And they were such low bar cases to nobodies.And there's so many, in the hierarchy of the, as Cash Patel would say, the government gangsters, there's so many at higher levels of power that we have dirt on, that the country, the whole world has seen.And no one cares. It's business as usual. And that drives me crazy.Just when I think I can quit and say, Oh, everything's good in the world.I can't let it go because it's not been settled and these people are getting away with things.And every time, this is a funny bit, every time there's new news on some rotten stuff that these people have done, there's a new accusation against Trump.You know, don't look here, look here. but Trump did this, so don't even worry about that.That's, you know, that's Russian propaganda. Look at what Trump did.And then they put out videos of Trump and his deposition. And he's a beast.He's a beast. You know, I've never been one of those women that was like, oh, he said, grab him by the, oh, oh, that's terrible. Oh, you're such a liar.You're all lying. You women love it.Everyone wants a man's man.Nobody wants a Bud Light drinker these days. We want real men, especially if the zombie apocalypse comes, you want a real man.You know? So none of that bothers me. And all the phony, they're so phony.All of them, they act prissy and like, oh, it's so horrible. Oh, he's a rapist.Oh, he's this. Oh, he's that. And they're all, you know?Oh, you're so phony. I see right through you. You're a piece of...I have to mock you and meme you to oblivion because you're ridiculous. Ridiculous people.
I love watching some of the depositions. I haven't seen it all, but they're so good. There's so many outtakes of it
 
He's such a beast. Oh god, just when you think you cannot love this man more. Oh god, I love it. Wonderful.
Let's go to something completely different. This is TikTok and I'm curious to get your thoughts, not specifically on this, but on TikTok in general and all the debate. I had to laugh at this. TikTok workers compiled lists of users who browse gay content, which sparked complaints from some employees who were concerned it could be used to blackmail people. Surely not. There's a massive debate at the moment in the US on TikTok and the influence it has. And of course, that leads back to China and whether individuals are in control of China. And this kind of connects with that, that TikTok gathering information to be used for blackmail, that kind of does connect at all the dots, doesn't it? But what's been happening TikTok-wise in the US?Well, I told you, I'm like on my seventh account, they keep taking me down because they don't like Jesse Waters, they don't like Steve Bannon, they don't like Fox News. Now you will get taken down for supposedly disinformation about the climate and it's basically an lbg ptq playground.And it's sad because you know it is a great platform for making videos and things it really, is a it's great I love using it a lot of people say oh it's china in my phone I said you're worried about China in your phone. Can we be completely honest here folks? You're worried about China in your phone.The overlords of our own government are in your phone. You have Google on your phone, you have Facebook on your phone. We just found out from the Twitter files that the CIA and the FBI were in your private messages. Okay? And you're worried about China? What's China going to do to me that hasn't already been done? Where they released a catastrophic virus and you're worried about TikTok? This is how I knew they were never going to get rid of TikTok. They went through the motions, oh, federal employees can't use TikTok. They could go home and use it, but when you're on the job or if you have a federal employee's special phone or something, you can't use TikTok.And it was all the big rage. They had the CEO of TikTok up there. None of these people knew what they were talking about. They know nothing. And another thing, if you've ever been on Discord, or any of these other platforms like that, gaming platforms, the CIA's in there, China's in there.I would say MI6 is probably in there. So this is nothing new. Spy versus spy, this is nothing new.So this new thing that they, you know, had a bunch of information, didn't we just get through a whole bunch of employees from banks that they got hacked and all their information was put out?You're going to see this a lot more, especially now we're getting closer to maybe China invading Taiwan, or right now there's a stalemate with the Russian-Ukraine war.We're going to see a lot more cyber stuff go down, a lot more.So, who knows, someone might just take TikTok down all on their own.So I just, I don't worry about it. I just use any outlet I can, whether it's to make videos, post videos, or share videos from.You know, because I got 50 followers now on TikTok when I used to have 20K.You know, it's hard to build up again when they don't like you.They're not gonna let people see you.So who does that, the Chinese overlords, or is this now the Democrat party that's in charge?Because if you look, all the people that say to get off TikTok are not on TikTok, but now AOC, what was it, Watermelon Head Schiff, the minute he got kicked off the intel committee, he opened up a TikTok account.Was crying over there, you know what I'm saying? These people don't care what you think.They don't care. They don't listen to their own advice because a lot of them know it's nonsense.So I feel bad that people's information is being put out there, but that's it.Look, your bank information could fall into the wrong hands.Look what's happening with the banks collapsing.All right. You know, you're one hack away. All of this reminds me, they took the show off, Westworld.Have you watched Westworld?
 
Yeah, I've watched some of the early ones off it. Yeah, yeah.
The last season, it was incredible. They were able to do with sound waves, like they would infect you with a fly, like a fly would fly into you, I guess with nanobots and stuff.And they had a building that you couldn't even see.And it would let off a sound, and it was able to control you.But the season before, the robots or fembots or whatever they were, were able to hack into the system and show everybody what everybody really thinks of them.Everyone was exposed. There was just one day everyone's looking at their phone. The system was hacked. The AI was hacked and everyone saw the truth and it became complete Anarchy. People were just killing each other left and right blow countries blowing each other up when everyone finally saw the truth It was anarchy now, what if we all finally got the truth and we weren't all just conspiracy theorists anymore, What if we finally were told the truth?Have they been hiding the truth from us because they're afraid of this kind of anarchy?Or do they just want to keep us dumb cows, tell us what to eat, what stove to buy, what car to buy, pay the taxes so we can have other people tell us what to do?Is that the point of our existence? or is our existence to ask questions, worship God, have a family, enjoy life, feel the grass under our feet, one with our beautiful world.Like Elon wants to go to other planets. Let's deal with this one because we got some evil people on this planet.I told you, I laugh at them. I get kicked off of platforms because I laugh at them.And I record myself laughing at them. It goes viral.And I laugh at them because it's like holy water on a demon.When you make jokes, like the memes are so important that everyone does because that laughter, it's not only good for the soul, but it exposes the truth.That's why they try to shut down so many comedians.And now the comedians are shut down because we got a strike.
I saw that. No, but memes are so powerful. So powerful.And President Trump put up this latest poll, 2024 National Republican primary, Trump 58%, DeSantis 22%, Pence, is Pence still running?5%. Ramaswamy 5%, Haley 4%, Christie.And what are your, because he obviously is streets ahead, and what's kind of the process?When did the kind of primaries start and when?I really can't believe anyone would run against him.As much as I really do like DeSantis and like what he's done in Florida, I don't understand the logic for running against Donald Trump.
Well, from what I've seen in the past, a lot of people get in primaries because they're looking for cabinet jobs. They don't expect to be president like Ed Buttigieg and Kamala and all those people that lined up at the last election. Buttigieg is now in charge of airplanes. Look how good that's working out. You got Kamala, she quit. She was less than 1%. She quit before they even had a primary, and now she's vice president.So sometimes people run, like you saw President Trump put out a truth social giving some kudos to Varuswamy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
You know, so saying, you know, you're doing a good job, you know.He never puts down Nikki Haley.But he goes right after Ron because everyone says oh because you know, he's closer to him in the polls No If you know anything about our President Trump, He's been saying it his whole life. If you ever read any of his books or seen old videos of him, you know one thing, he values loyalty. He is a businessman if you're not loyal and I do something for you stay loyal to me. We'll make things work out. He could have made him, in DeSantis in 2028, the biggest thing anyone's ever seen.Or even think about vice president, but because he's doing this, now you got people fighting on Twitter.Oh, the DeSantis people or the never Trumper people and now DeSantis people and that Chris Christie and his fat ass wants to get in.Give me a break, you know?I guess nothing happened when Mike Pence went to give his deposition because I'm sure if there was one iota of damning things that he said, it would be in the news right now.
It's true, yeah.Because they love to leak. They love to leak.So when you don't hear anything, that's a good thing.It's a very good thing when you don't hear anything. But Mike Pence, I don't know, is he gonna run?Who knows? A lot of these people. I mean, who is it that in California? It's this people running that have no chance in hell. It's a Hutchinson. Are you kidding me? A race ahead.Get out of here. All right. What does he want to do? Is he running so he could just collect as much money as possible? Then once he doesn't even make it to a primary, he can go and write a book and then do a tour. I ran for president a lot of see this is a whole, money-making scheme Beta O'Rourke has run for everything with his arms flailing in the air looking like he's on the parking lot of a used car lot.And that's how he makes his money. He's disappeared Where is he now? They got a new guy that did pumping up, to run against Ted Cruz in texas, I never heard of the guy, but he looks like one of these bodybuilders and there's already dirt coming out of the sky.You know? So bring it, people, because you know what? We do our homework and we will find the dirt on you and not be quiet about it.
Let's move on to, there are lots of comments down on GETTR, I won't be able to pull them.This for just the first minute or so but we'll play it anyway.
(video plays)Welcome back. Welcome back.President Trump, a quick word to the Irish friends.What's it like being back at Ireland for the first time since the election?This has become a big success. We love it.Special place. You see what happened out there with the kids and yeah.We help them and they help them. It's really a very special place.Great course, great hotel.You're here very shortly after President Biden's visit. What did you make of President Biden's visit?What did you make of the crowds? I mean, I didn't see too much of his visit.I don't know what he did here, but this is special.And we're here to pay homage to this great property. This property has revitalized a big part of Ireland and the people are happy.And we have incredible people working here. A lot of them, too. You see some of them, a lot of them.And so it's been great, it's been really great. There's a lot of yous in Ireland, a lot of them paying an awful lot of corporate tax here. Do you think some of that corporate tax, or at least most of that corporate tax should be paid in America?Well, that's an interesting question, but I won't answer that question in your country.But a lot of people would say yes, but Ireland's done a great job.You've lured a lot of companies in, and they love it here, they really love it here.They've been treated well, just like I've been treated well.This has been a great success, and we bought this, it was a great property, but it had to be finished.And we have really completed it, and it's beautiful. And now we'll do some additions.And the course is one of the best courses in the world, actually, one of the best courses, with some of the most beautiful dunes in the world.So we've had a good time. You've had some planning difficulties, though.What do you think of the Irish planning system and the recent refusal of planning commission?Well, I think we've had very good luck. You know, most of this is built because of planning commission.But what we've wanted to do, I think they've pretty much led us to the important things.There's been a lot of attention on the Northern Ireland post-Brexit trading agreements.How do you think those negotiations are going? Well, we're going to see.They're negotiating and we're going to see.But there are a lot of negotiations going on in Ireland and other places right now.But that's going to be a tough one. It's not an easy one. We're gonna have to work it out.Will cut short, uh, President Trump, but it was, it was Ireland. So he did do Scotland and then went to, uh, Ireland, but it's
 
Right before that he was outside with a hat on and all the kids saying to him. Yeah. So I felt bad because he knew his hair was messed up. He knew it. He knew he had that little puff right there and he wanted so badly to fix it, but he was just like, he's so stoic.You know, he takes the questions, he knows, you know, sometimes they're going to be hard, but let's say, yeah, but and he knows how to direct to something else and say, yeah, but we're doing this and this is good for Ireland. And he's very good. He's, you know, Joe can't do that. Joe can't do that.
 
But Trump, he always is so good. He, he, he takes all the questions. He, he doesn't but anyway, and he, he's that personal touch because he knows his stuff and poor Joe doesn't know what day of the week it is, never mind knowing about policies, talking to the press.
 
Well, supposedly Joe was picked by Obama, for his, he was good with foreign affairs, and we all see what has happened with the foreign affairs.
Since Joe became president, okay. If anything, he was good at foreign affairs because he was able to send his son the bag man and make some bank for the family. That's why he knew the foreign affairs. He knew who to talk to and where to send the poor kid, you know, who turned out to to be pretty rotten, you know, it's just, oh.But Trump, he's a businessman, you know, I love you get a morning Mika and and that whole rotten crowd over there on MSNBC and they're like, Oh, he's just a game show host.He's been a businessman. He's been in real estate. He's worked with the boxing, the casinos.He's not, just because he had a great show.All right, because of his status from all the other things that he did.Best selling books. I mean, come on, you know, they try to really cheapen him. Because they're so damn jealous. And they all loved him when he was a Democrat. Chuck Schumer was like, come back, come back, you know, when he was running against Hillary at that dinner. And then what did Chuck do? He came out with as many knives and Uzis and whatever else, landmines, anything he could throw at this man to ruin his presidency.Well from a political heavyweight to a media heavyweight, and then we'll just finish off with looking at your US military gone fully woke.But this is Tucker Carlson. This is just short, 30 seconds, I think.Pro Jam, play this and listen to Tucker and his speech.If you can.Or not.This is, well Tucker's line is, I didn't realise how much free time I would have when I accepted this speech. This is his first public appearance since his removal from Fox News. But what are, your, everyone is speculating, everyone is thinking what on earth is he going to do next. He obviously wasn't expecting it because he said he was going to be on on the Monday and then wasn't.And I mean, Tucker could do anything he wanted. So how are you watching this individual who is bigger than really anyone else in the in the media space?
I'm what you know, when he posted that video at 801 on the first night that the whore Brian Kilmeade was in his slot and he posted on Twitter and that tweet of him, you know, just being him and putting out a message to everybody got more views than anything.It was just, it was insane.
 
Like 25 or 40 million or something or some,
 
It's like I don't even know where it's at now. It's just Ridonculous. All right, and uh, he could go anywhere the question I have is I would like him to do an interview or put out another video to let us unless he's, they might have him, Under a contract where he can't speak, like, you can go and do these speeches at these private venues, like, that video is somebody holding up a phone, that's uncivilized.He could probably, he could do things like that, but if he was to go on somebody's show, I mean, Fox could have him silenced.I would like to know these things. I want to know how much freedom does he actually have.Are they keeping a boot on him till after the election? How long is this gonna last?Are they paying him out? Is he fired? Was it mutual? You know what I'm saying? They did him dirty. They did him dirty. But is he and he can go anywhere. He could just start his own podcast.It would just be insane. It would be the biggest thing ever. Is he taking time now to enjoy his family. He'll talk here and there. I think he sent a message to CPAC in Ukraine, not in Ukraine, in Hungary, didn't he?
He did. He sent a 30, 40, short message to them. But I think he did that before he was removed.
 
Because it was on his set.
Yeah. But he said, if I'm ever sacked, then I will be with you. And then he was sacked.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Anything that he was to do now. He could get sued by Fox because he's under contract. You know that they get you. They get you.You thought you sign your life away. Or you read renegotiate but they could have him on hold for for six or nine more months. I mean, he it's not like he's he's gonna starve to death, but you gotta think of politically where we are.He was a huge voice that we needed and nobody on Fox is gonna fill that hole.So that's why we go the independent route and we all support each other, and just keep supporting each other like what you do.Me with my kooky videos and my memes and stuff, everybody, keep the pressure on, keep laughing at them, keep throwing that holy water, exposing these demons that need to be eradicated from our world.Because they will not stop. They will never stop. They will never give up.They're dug in. Now are we gonna be like all the RINOS of the past and the ones that want to move in now because there's a void there and we're going to roll over and show our bellies and say, oh give me a little scratchy it's okay, let it be like that no we've been fighting for too long to to give up now, way too long, please.Giving up, it shouldn't even be a thought.Can I just finish, just two or three minutes just on this. I just want to throw it in on the US military.And Steve had posted this, which Daily Mail story, but the Navy is 8,000 recruits short because red blooded Americans don't want to join a freak show, I'm not sure this Navy is ready to defeat the CCP fleet in a gun battle in the South China Seas.I mean, the last thing you need for your recruitment campaign for the military is a bloke dressing up as a woman and somehow, someone, somewhere has decided this is the way to fix your military shortfall.Um, yeah, uh, Steve calls it I perfectly. It is a freak show.Well, there's someone that is friends with that Dylan Mulvaney. Because they used to work together on the Book of Mormon. They were like theatre kids together or something. And they just put out a TikTok video showing this old movie.And it also had Ronald Reagan and where all the men dressed up like women and this was to raise money, for the for the military and, because of this old movie that this guy found he says What Dylan's doing and what the navy is doing is all right because look there's even a child in the audience and I'm like, No, no, no, no, no That was different because all those men that put on a woman's dress.And did some camp Okay They all went home to their wives, if they didn't get blown up in the war.Okay, it's a big difference. Okay, everyone knew it was just a play acting. Remember, you want to go back even further? Shakespeare, plays that were performed way, way back in the day, all the performers had to be male. And the men played the women's roles.Okay, so there's a talk this drag thing that you're doing the hyper sexualized. Yes. Oh, oh, all right. That's not what that old movie did. It was a bunch of men dressed up in these hokey lady, old lady dresses. Okay, and Milton Berle, that was part of his his shtick was, dressing up as an ugly old woman, okay? There's the comedy part and then there's this over-sexualized nonsense that's being pushed.So don't show me an old movie with Ronald Reagan of a bunch of our military guys dressed up as women and compare it to the nonsense that's being portrayed now, this hyper sexualization these guys you know, doing splits and big rubber boobies with nipples in the kids faces, Yeah, okay the heavy makeup.You know these drag is an art drag is a nightclub thing It's just like going to see a stripper in a pole dancing thing.That was drag.And now you got these really low budget drag performers going to kids' schools.And a lot of them have been arrested for kiddie porn.They've got their junk hanging out, their costumes are low, low budget.You got professional drag performers saying, stop this nonsense.It's embarrassing. We don't stand for this. We don't go to kids. I will. Who is it? Jesse Waters had a drag performer on his show and said that this is horrible. I don't stand for this. When I go out to the club. I don't want kids crying in the background. I want to have my mimosa and see a show. And that's my thing. But now the I don't know what is it with the kids. And you know, there's something really, and I don't want to say evil, because, you know, I hate to think that everyone's evil. But there's an evil agenda going on with this, a very evil agenda and it's towards the kids.And they started off, you know how you start with soft porn and then you get addicted and it has to get harder and harder to get more clicks or get more outrage.They're using it as a tool to get an outrage mob going on both sides, for and against.We still haven't seen the manifesto of the trans murderer.None of those family members were invited to the White House but the three insurrectionists were.And I thought it was also very funny. One of the insurrectionists, the guy with the bullhorn was out in front of the correspondence dinner, in a tuxedo with the bullhorn yelling at the people coming in, the reporters for climate change and get rid of big oil. Here's all the people that stuck up for this little maggot, and he's yelling with the bull horn in their face.
Wow. Wow. Karli, I'll bring us into a close. As I said at the beginning, I feel bad taking out of your time on posting non-stop.Great having you on. Thank you so much for giving us your time.Well, this afternoon with you, this evening with us.
 
Oh, this is wonderful.I was just, I couldn't believe you invited me because I'm such a goofball.And I always see, I always watch your videos and you have very serious people on.I'm like, what the hell does he want me on for? I am like goofy and you know, my eyes are wacky.And you know, I just make memes and stuff.This was wonderful. I hope everyone enjoyed my goofiness and listen, enjoy the rest of your celebration over there. I pray for you and I pray for your country just as hard as I pray for mine right now.
 
They both need prayer. They really do. They really do. No, but I love your memes. Absolutely love them. And that's where we win this battle using the power of media and memes using humour. That's how you get people and that's how you connect to people. So thank you for what you do. And Midnight Rider channel, love it on Telegram. So thank you.Let me finish off with our viewers. Thank you for tuning in wherever you are, however you're watching. Great to have you with us. Obviously, if you didn't know Karli before, all the links are on the screen there, on GETTR, on Truth, on Twitter, and @RealKarliBonne on Telegram, so make sure and follow her. Or if you're listening on the go after, thank you for joining us. So I wish you all a wonderful rest of your weekend, and we'll be back with you on Monday with Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch.
 
Oh he's my favourite!
 
He's so good, I met him when I was over a couple, well, just CPAC and them before. And I love what Judicial Watch do, just the power of using those freedom of information on the government. So he'll be with us on Monday.
 
He's another patriot that he doesn't stop. He doesn't stop. Like, I don't know when he finds the time to lift weights and keep up that Superman bod with all the work that he does. You know, I get the newsletter.25 years, 25 years he's been president of Judicial Watch and it's a phenomenal organization.So yeah, he'll be with us on Monday.So on that, I wish our viewers a wonderful rest of your weekend and we'll be with you on Monday.Thank you for joining us and goodbye.