Hearts of Oak Podcast

Miranda Devine - Laptop from Hell: Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide

We are delighted to welcome journalist and best selling author, Miranda Devine.Miranda has written the most intriguing, absorbing, funny and comprehensive book on Hunter Biden's laptop in just 200 pages. We have touched on this subject a couple of times with Phelim Mcaleer who directed the movie 'My Son Hunter' and with Garrett Ziegler from MarcoPolo USA, but by writing a bestselling book on this topic, she has brought this sorry tale of addiction, greed and corruption to the wider world. As a journalist she shares what first brought the now infamous laptop to her attention and why she had to write this book. So join us this episode for Mirandas insights as we take a deep dive into why the Biden Crime Family affects us all.Miranda Devine is a New York Post columnist and Fox News contributor. She also works for the Australian media as a Daily Telegraph columnist and a Sky News contributor. Born in Queens, New York, she grew up in Tokyo and Sydney, and attended North-western University in Chicago. A reformed mathematician and mother of two, she lives in New York with her husband.'Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide' available in paperback, e-book or on audiobook https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-President/dp/1637584857/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=miranda+devine+laptop+from+hell&sr=8-1 Follow Miranda on social media...TWITTER https://twitter.com/mirandadevine?s=20GETTR https://gettr.com/user/mirandadevineTRUTH https://truthsocial.com/@mirandadevineInterview recorded 4.4.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Miranda Devine, the journalist who wrote Laptop from Hell, Hunter Biden.And I had the fascinating privilege of hearing Miranda speak at a conference in February.She was the keynote speaker there. And I immediately got hold of the book.I'd followed the work she had done, read it cover to cover, fascinating, short book.And I know we've delved into this topic before. Miranda brings, again, everyone brings something unique, something fresh and I know you will enjoy listening to her. She unpacks not only Hunter Biden's lifestyle, his lifestyle of drugs, alcohol and sex addiction, which is a sorry, sorry tale, although it is quite comical the book at the beginning and I find myself laughing. I don't know whether I should have been.Through the early parts as she writes a tale and tells a tale, a sorry tale, a sad tale of a chaotic lifestyle financed by Joe Biden. And then we go into that corruption side and how Joe Biden is very much part of that and the Biden name is used for corruption for financial deals across the world with multiple companies. So join us as Miranda delves into the dark world of Hunter Biden and the corrupt world of his father Joe Biden.
 
It is an absolute delight to have Miranda Devine with us today. Miranda thank you for your time today.
Thanks for having me, Peter.[1:47] Not at all. I had the pleasure of seeing you in CPAC and also in Miami a month earlier.So it's absolutely wonderful.And we have touched on Hunter Biden before. We have had Phelim McAleer before.And we so we've looked at a little bit before, but I've had great fun reading through the laptop from hell.I will get into that. Your handle @MirandaDivine.There is your Twitter handle and all the links to the book and everything else are in the description.[2:20] Now I think in the intro you say that a month before the 2020 election, I think it was you talked about Rudy Giuliani emailing you with info from the Hunter Biden laptop. Was that your dissent into Hunter Biden's world?
 
Yes it was. It was actually Rudy Giuliani's lawyer at the time, Bob Costello and he texted me some just a few choice grabs from the laptop and he said it was late at night I think a Friday night and he said I'm just sending you this so you know that it's legitimate and let's talk. This is you know he'd spent the past since the end of August this was now, the beginning of October, he'd spent all that time just verifying as best he could that this was real, that the laptop repair shop owner who had sent him the material, sent him the hard drive[3:24] was a legitimate person, and he was satisfied to the extent that he felt that he could approach the New York Post. And so I guess that was the beginning of it and of course, you know, when we published, I mean it was a legitimate story, it's been proven over and over again since then that the emails that we published were real, but we were immediately censored.[3:53] Well, you talk about that as being kind of a moment that made you kind of become curious in the issue because when I guess a story is censored you begin to ask why it's been censored.So was it that that kind of perked up your interest in this, curious to find out why it was being restricted.
Oh no, I mean I knew from the minute that, you know, we got a look at what was on the laptop that this was a bombshell story. So there was no question that the story was huge and, you know, all credit to my editors for having the courage to publish it where no one else would and all credit to my colleagues, particularly Emma Jo Morris, for actually digging down and getting the story out there. So look, there was no question in any of our minds that this was an enormous story that showed corruption at the very highest levels in Joe Biden's campaign. And we're talking about one of the two candidates for president, and we felt that it was important that the American people had[5:03] all the evidence at their disposal about the characters of both men, so that they could form an educated judgment about who to vote for, but unfortunately that wasn't possible because of the heavy-handed intervention of big tech. And so I think what changed for me there was just I knew that we were going to get a lot of pushback and criticism for publishing the story, particularly from the Biden campaign, which refused, remember at the time, to engage on this at all other than than to tell other media organisations that it wasn't true, that Joe Biden had never met with Hunter Biden's business partner from Ukraine in Washington, DC, as we had shown through this email or a couple of emails that he wasn't the big guy who was getting 10% from this Chinese business deal, et cetera.He swore blind that he knew nothing about his son Hunter's business dealings and that our stories were wrong. And of course, you know, with time that's just[6:07] proven to be completely wrong and even the New York Times and the Washington Post had to admit it.But I guess we knew we were going to come in for some stiff opposition. What we didn't anticipate was that Twitter and Facebook would shut us down within hours of the story going live. You know, this was an extraordinary intervention into the free press by these unaccountable oligopolies.And, you know, shortly after they did that to us, they said they threw the sitting president of the United States off their platforms.And that frightened even, you know, Emmanuel Macron in France, because world leaders were looking at this and saying, if these companies have the power to unseat, de-platform the leader of the free world, what else can they do?
Absolutely. Could I ask about your, I mean, your journalistic background is substantial.I mean, Boston Herald, Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Sunday Times, and now with New York Post.Did, I mean, your experience as a journalist, did it not make you question going up against this subject, which is right at the heart of the, I guess, the American establishment?[7:33] What do you mean? Like not wanting to do it? I mean I would have thought that any journalist would want to do this story once that they had confirmed that it was real. I just, I don't see, you know, I wouldn't care if it was about Joe Biden or Donald Trump. I mean it's a really important story that goes to the heart of American national security. Here is a situation where Joe Biden has lied about his involvement in his family's influence peddling scheme that was running throughout his vice presidency and in fact he's run some form of influence peddling via his family for four decades out of Delaware. And so you know I think that's a really important story and it's just the sort of story that journalists are supposed to do without fear or favour. So I mean whether you have a lot of experience or a little experience.[8:30] I think it's just crystal clear that this is a bombshell story and that's why it's even more inexplicable that you know these news organisations like the New York Times with enormous resources, way more resources, way more investigative reporters than we have at the New your post.They really have done very little with this story. They ignored it initially.You can almost forgive them for ignoring it before the election because the stakes were so high.They didn't have the hard drive.They hadn't had the benefit that we had of the early, you know, the head start.But it took them then, I think, 19 months, the New York Times, to even acknowledge that this was a real laptop and that the material on it was legitimate and authentic and that it raised questions for Joe Biden is something that they just wouldn't tackle.[9:24] The New York Times published a story acknowledging that these emails were real, but it buried it in like the 23rd paragraph of the story on page A19, I think.And after that, then that was sort of the green light for the Washington Post and CNN and so on to follow up.But all of them had this boilerplate paragraph in their stories, there is no evidence this has anything to do with Joe Biden.There's so much evidence, ample evidence. That was our entire stories, everything I've ever reported from this laptop has been about Joe Biden.It's not about Hunter Biden, who is a poor, sad soul. You know, he was a crack addict throughout this.[10:08] You know, most of this nine year period that his laptop covers.You know, he had his personal life was in turmoil. Split from his wife, he was undergoing an acrimonious divorce.He had, despite the millions of dollars that was coming into his coffers from China and Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan and elsewhere around the world, he had serious money difficulties.He also seemed to have some sort of a sex addiction, judging from the amount of hookers that he was ordering online and sex cams and you know homemade porn etc. So this was a very troubled person and you know I feel sorry for him. I think that there is room for people to have some sympathy for this very troubled soul and wish him the best. He says now that he's clean and let's hope that that's the case. But where I think there is no sympathy and should be none is with regards to Joe Biden, Hunter Biden's father, who deputised his drug-addicted son to go and be the bag man for the family in these countries carrying the Biden name.[11:22] And reaping millions of dollars from America's adversaries. That is something that he has, it's unequivocal that he's lied about it.So what I think the Republicans in Congress are trying to do is nail down the money trail.They're doing a pretty good job of that now systematically. And also ask the questions about whether or not Joe Biden compromised America's national security and is now tailoring foreign policy because of this influence peddling scheme that was so lucrative for his family.
At the beginning, I find myself actually chuckling, probably laughing a little bit, reading the first few chapters. You've got the interaction, and it is a dark comedy.It's tragic, with, I guess, Hunter playing this hapless villain, I guess, in it.[12:22] I don't know whether you meant to inject some of that dark humour or whether I was just being heartless reading it.I'm not sure, but yeah, let us know how you put that together because I found some of the interactions and the messages, you obviously have taken that from the laptop and put that down, and it was kind of comically sad, I guess.
Yeah, I think that's a good way of describing it. It really is.You know, some of the situations that Hunter gets himself into are, you know, if they were in a movie, you would be laughing out loud. And it is a black comedy.He just is this sort of... He and his uncle Jim just bumble their way around the world and they're, you know, they're in palaces and sumptuous mansions of oligarchs and eating chicken feet in high-flying skyscrapers in private clubs of Chinese military people who are in the inner orbit of Xi Jinping.[13:29] Who end up then disappearing.You know, it seems I feel like with Hunter Biden that he's like one of those characters in a sort of cops and robbers blow him up movie where the main character just, you know, all around him there are cars blowing up and buildings on fire and he just walks through the smoke and emerges unscathed. And all around him everyone was going to jail, getting killed, getting locked up, you know, getting into all sorts of trouble, and he just seemed to emerge unscathed.[14:07] You know, there's a lot of speculation people I've talked to in, who know about, you know, intelligence services and how they operate, who would say to me that there's no way that the son of the Vice President mixing in those circles that he was in the inner sanctum of Xi Jinping in China and Vladimir Putin in Russia, going, you know, to Lake Como to mingle with oligarchs and and Hong Kong and Shanghai, I mean, Monte Carlo.[14:39] This is the most incredible international story of intrigue and mystery and danger.And that there's no way that the US intelligence services would not have been keeping an eye on Hunter.And it did feel like he had a guardian angel. Every time he was in a scrape about to come unstuck, suddenly he's okay, he's back stateside and everything's hunky-dory and he's ordering[15:06] crack from his dealer again and meanwhile off the laptop goes, you know, the super chairman or someone else, you know, that maybe he's been warned off, you know, don't mix with that person that's going to get you into trouble. I don't really know what went on behind the scenes but we also know he had various contacts in the FBI. So that's a whole new story I think that will be unraveled potentially by another committee the Republicans have set up which is the weaponization of the federal government which is looking, among other things, looking at how the FBI covered up the story of the laptop.
 
Yeah, completely. This is the laptop from hell with[15:50] A hunter looking quite rugged there with a cigarette. Many images of him, but some of the stories you put through the book are of him being, as you said, being rescued by Secret Service, I guess. Especially at times where he shouldn't have had protection. There was no reason for him to have that protection, and yet they seem to be there to help him out of different situations he find himself in?
 
Yeah, look, there could be a couple of reasons for that. There are some invoices on the laptop that show that a couple of these former Secret Service people, including a very high-ranking guy who had been the head of the Vice President's Secret Service detail when Joe Biden was in office, and they actually had gone into private practice and Hunter Biden and his brother Jim Biden had hired them to go and do some due diligence on some of,[16:53] for prospective business partners and so there was an invoice for a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars that hadn't been paid. This is why it sort of came to the attention or came to my attention because there were various emails going backwards and forwards between Jim and Hunter about who should pay this money. I mean it was it was months and months overdue which was not uncommon. There are a lot of bills including with Joe Biden that seem just not to get paid or to be very, very late being paid.And I'm told by some people in Wilmington, Delaware, where Joe Biden lives, that a lot of the local tradesmen just don't get paid.There seems to be this sort of expectation from the Bidens that it's such an honour to do work for them that you shouldn't expect to get any money for it.But that's one reason. And then, you know, another reason is, I think, we know that there was one scandal where Hunter Biden's lover at the time, Hallie Biden, who was actually the widow of his late brother, Beau, they were living together off and on.They had a very volatile relationship.And for reasons we still don't know, Hunter decided to buy a gun at a store in Delaware.[18:11] And shortly after he bought it, Hallie seemed to get worried about what he might do with it.And so she drove it to the local shopping centre and threw it in a garbage bin, a trash can.And then she tells Hunter, or Hunter looks for his gun, he can't find it, and she says, oh, I threw it in the trash can. So he says, go back and get it.She goes back, it's gone. A homeless guy's found it.[18:34] So then the cops have to come. And it's not just the local cops, it's the state police, it's the FBI.And what's really quite sinister is that two men who said they were from the Secret Service flashed a Secret Service badge, went to the gun shop and demanded the papers, the background check papers, the paperwork that Hunter had filled out to do with the gun, which of course if he took that away there's no proof that he ever bought the gun and so to his credit the gun shop owner said no I can't do that because he's worried that he's going to lose his license if something terrible happens with that gun. But you know when we ask the secret service why did you do that, Hunter Biden was not under secret service protection, his father was out of office, etc. The secret services, we did have nothing to do with that, that wasn't us. So maybe it was ex-secret service people presenting themselves as secret service. I'm told that the former secret service agents still have a badge, it's a different type, but a smaller badge than the real one but I guess how would you know the layperson and so maybe these are former Secret Service people. We do know one other thing which is that Joe Biden...[19:52] But we know this from the laptop too. Joe Biden really sucked up and curried favour with the Secret Service people around him.He, you know, in his... Before he became a sort of defund the police guy, he...now he's back to his original persona, which was as a, you know, as a working-class Joe who's all for the cops.And so he had support from police unions and so on previously, not in the 2020 election, but he did things, Hunter tells us in various emails, like he would[20:32] get Secret Service agents, kids into elite colleges that they wouldn't be able to get into otherwise, or do other favours that they're not really bribery because it's not really cash, But it's just favour trading, which is what Joe Biden specialises in, using his power to, get things happening for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to avail themselves of that, those kind of perks. So, and then we also know that the guy who was the head of his Secret Service detail, his, one of his parents died, I think it was his father died somewhere in the Midwest.And Joe and Jill Biden flew on Air Force Two to that funeral.And so, you know, that kind of gesture really engenders a lot of loyalty in people, particularly people who are in service jobs.And so I think, you know, it was probably a combination of maybe paying people to look after you, but also just vestigial loyalty to Joe Biden.[21:40] There's another thing that keeps coming up and it's the amount of money.And I had no idea until I was going to it.Eva just at the beginning, the first couple of pages you talk about.[21:54] Talk about one overcast day, Hunter's catching up on porn, he spent $1,000 on his Wells Fargo debit card.Annoyingly, Wells Fargo keeps sending alerts. He's tripping his card limit of $65,000.You then talk about him getting invoices of 82,500 retainers from international business development.Then he says, he talks about his balance shows 1 million, but there's a debit of 2 million.I mean, they're crazy sums of money to any average person reading this.I mean, tell us about that. I guess the greed involved.
Yeah, and the chaotic lifestyle that Hunter had, I mean, there were millions of dollars coming in.[22:41] But, you know, I think his alimony was 30 or 40 thousand dollars a month. He had this heavy crack addict habit. He had various households that, I mean, there was his, Hallie Biden's family that he presumably, I mean I know that they shared a credit card and they were running up $250,000 a year on one Amex and they put everything, you know, all their kind of working, living expenses seemed to go on the Amex. He had very lavish tastes in clothes, like his father, he would go to, you know men's boutiques in midtown Manhattan or on Madison Avenue and think nothing of spending, you know, five grand, ten grand here on a coat, on a jacket or, you know, a tie.[23:33] And so he just spent like he was the big spender, but he always seemed to have money problems.And I think part of that was because the money that was coming in wasn't all for him.And I'll give you a perfect example.And this is just from the very new bank records that were[23:58] put out the other day by James Comer, the head of the Oversight Committee, the Republicans who were looking into the money trail of the Biden's. So he's found, we already knew that there were these two, three million dollar payments from the Chinese energy company that paid the Biden's millions of dollars, but these two, three million dollar wires went to Hunter's business partner in in Arkansas, a guy called Rob Walker.And so we always knew that that money was destined for Hunter, but we never could see how it made its way there.And so what James Comer has found, at least with one of these $3 million wires, he's only been able to find one, that $1 million went to the Biden family, 1,065,000.And it was split up between four Biden's. So there was Hunter Biden, his uncle Jim Biden, who's Joe's younger brother, Hallie Biden, who I told you that sister-in-law turned lover, and then another fourth unnamed Biden.It's just on the wire, it just says Biden.And so, and these payments were made over three months in small dribs and drabs.[25:13] Presumably to keep them away from authorities.Didn't work because the reason we know about them is that the banks, it tripped some suspicion in the banks automatically and so they had to file suspicious activity reports with the Treasury.So we know from that $1 million, Hunter got about a third of it, I think[25:37] From that money, you know, so there's three million and he's getting about 400,000.And so he's told his business partners that $800,000 a year is not enough for him to live.So really he was burning through cash and what would have seemed, you know, to any normal person, a huge amount of money to him was barely enough.And then remember, he, it was supposed to pay tax on this money.And obviously he was not good at paying his taxes because this is one of the issues that the IRS and the US Attorney in Delaware is looking at him for is tax evasion, alleged tax evasion, alleged money laundering and foreign agent violations to do with his foreign businesses.And we know that he's paid back, I'm told $2.8 million to the IRS.So that means, you know, he earned five and a half million to owe that.And, you know, he earned a lot more than that, we know.[26:43] But, and also, I mean, maybe he's having to pay tax for money that he never received that went to other members of the family, you know?So he does feel sorry for himself a lot in the laptop and he talks about giving half his money to his father.Bitterly he complains about that. And he bitterly complains about having carried or supported the rest of the family all the time. And this is a guy that wanted to be an artist or an author.[27:13] And instead he was put to work straight out of Yale, that his father got him into Yale Law School, pulling some strings. So he gets straight out of Yale and goes into this inflated salary job for for one of his father's,you know, donors in Delaware, but boring job. And that's been his life, doing a series of boring jobs and inflated salaries, getting, you know, various sinecures and, you know, like the Ukraine Burisma board appointment for a million dollars a year, a huge amounts of money. But he's got to share that with the rest of the family. So you see him spiral down into addiction and chaos.And he's bitter and angry all the way, and particularly when it comes to that period when he abandoned his laptop in Delaware at that laptop repair shop. He's really in a rage at that time and feels that his family doesn't respect him and doesn't appreciate all he's done for them.
Obviously Joe Biden is the figure that's behind a lot of it and one of the quotes is Don't worry about investors, Jim Biden would say, according to an unnamed executive quoted by Politico.We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden. None of what happened to Hunter, I guess, was because of Hunter's brilliance. It was all to do with his father.[28:42] Oh, absolutely. And, you know, this is influence peddling. I mean, this is a a Washington DC wide disease and it's bipartisan.Both sides do it. How many, you know, look at Nancy Pelosi. I mean, look at so many of these Republican and Democratic politicians who go to Washington and become very rich by the time they leave.It's really unseemly and disgusting. Joe Biden lives an incredibly lavish lifestyle And it would be impossible to sustain that on a senator's salary for 40 years plus.So I think it's been out there in plain sight and it's a terrible thing.Washington is very corrupt and I'm not sure that there's appetite on either side to clean it up.[29:41] What's special about Joe Biden is, for one thing, he's really the master of influence peddling through his family.And secondly, as vice president and now as president, he is crucial to our national security because as vice president, Barack Obama deputized him to be his man in charge of China and Ukraine and various other parts of the world.And Joe Biden was given some very important tasks when it came to China.He was supposed to stop China militarising the South China Sea and threatening America's allies there.And he was supposed to stop China from stealing America's intellectual property.I mean, this was 2013.This was a time when China was really ramping up its aggressive tactics.And it could have been nipped in the bud there and then.[30:45] But Joe Biden did nothing. He got nothing out of it. All that happened was his family was bought off.And when Hunter Biden flew into Beijing on Air Force Two with the vice president, it was crystal clear to the Chinese what that meant. This was a princeling. Hunter Biden was a princeling like the princelings in China who are related to the top CCP officials. And this was American power come to do private business and private business happened. Joe Biden shook the hand of Hunter's now new business partner, and Hunter left and within a few days, he had 10% stake in a Chinese business which had two and a half billion dollars funds under management at one point. I mean it doesn't mean he had 10% of 2.5 billion but he had 10% of whatever the profits were. We still don't know how much that's worth. It's been estimated, I think Peter Schweitzer estimated it at 20 million[31:48] dollars, could be less, could be more. Hunter Biden's lawyers keep vaguely saying he's divested himself of that fund, but there's no actual evidence of that. It's still listed on the Chinese stock exchange websites as being owned, 10% owned, by Hunter Biden's company, and Hunter Biden still owns that company, Skinny Atlas, even though he hasn't, I mean, it's gone dormant, I think, because he probably hasn't paid some bills. So, I think that's the kind of thing you know, it's pretty worrying that the son of the President, if he still owns that 10%, is in business with the Chinese Communist Party. And all we get from the White House and from Joe Biden is lies and stonewalling. So that's why this is an important story. It's not about Hunter Biden. I wish him the best. It's about the President and whether he's compromised. And and that's why the Republicans are going down this path of trying to find where the money went.[32:52] One of the chapters, The Delaware Way, I guess, looks at what Joe Biden has done, how he has built up that influence over, what, 35 years as a senator, and has taken that influence, that peddling, global, I guess, with the Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan.I mean, what do you mean by The Delaware Way?
Well that was a phrase that was coined by a prosecutor actually many moons ago, I can't remember what it was, the 80s or the 90s I think, and they were investigating some irregularities with one of Joe Biden's re-election campaigns and there was a family called Tagani, there were a wealthy beer brewing family from the area, a young guy called Chris Tagani about the age of Joe's sons and he was sort of turned witness for the prosecutors, wore a wire to try and[33:54] see if the Biden's were doing illegal things to do with, you know, funding the Joe's campaign.Well, turned out that he didn't manage to find anything and he went to jail. But during the prosecution, one of the prosecutors described this sort of cosy quid pro quo relationship that goes on in Delaware politics as the Delaware way. It's you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.And there's something really insidious about Delaware. It's a very small state, doesn't have much in the way of an economy apart from the fact that it is the headquarters for practically every corporate in the country, because it's kind of described as the Virgin Islands of America because it has a very opaque, that sort of corporate structure and you can't see who owns companies and so on. So it makes it very easy for the Biden's to sort of hide[34:53] money but more importantly what it did for Joe Biden when he arrived as a 30 year old senator was he was being oppressed by a lot of very powerful, very wealthy people to do favours for them in the Senate and as he became more and more powerful in the Senate he was chairman of two very powerful committees, the Judiciary Committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee for many years, those favours became bigger and bigger and his power grew and he was really king of the castle in Delaware and despite really,the state not amounting to very much, he was in this unique position.And so that was why when his donors, you know, were offering to buy houses from him or sell houses to him, or give his family jobs and inflated salaries, that was all of great benefit to him.And in return, you can see policies that he was pushing that seemed to benefit his donors.But whether or not you can really draw the line and accuse him of a crime is a whole other matter.But certainly that's the Delaware way.[36:08] What about you personally as you delved into this? You come face to face with Hunter Biden, a tragic story, and then Joe Biden, absolute power, corruption. What was your takeaway from going into this? Because I guess when you begin to research something, you don't know where it's going to lead. So what were your kind of takeaway thoughts as you did the research and you put the book together?
 
Well it was just so much bigger than I had ever imagined. I mean I remember there was one night I just pushed myself away from the desk and had to and clear my head because I could not believe what I discovered. And it's not just from the laptop, you have to understand that this is also material from Tony Bobulinski, who's Hunter Biden's former business partner. It's, you know, had the contents of his three devices that he'd given to the FBI.It's also a lot of financial records that came from[37:11] Chuck Graslie and Ron Johnson, the two Republican senators who were very prescient back in mid-2020, they were investigating Hunter Biden's role in Burisma. Their report was, I think, Hunter Biden, Burisma and corruption. And that was the Ukrainian company that was paying him $83,000 a month for, basically nothing. And so they had a lot of treasury records. And also speaking to, to various sources off the record.You piece together this jigsaw puzzle and when I realized just how enormous the China deals were, there's one deal where Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin[37:59] get together and this company, CEFC, that was paying Hunter and Jim Biden millions of dollars, their partner in China was brokering this deal for China to buy a $9 billion chunk of the Russia state-owned oil company, energy company, Rosneft.And this would have shifted the geopolitical tectonic plates in a way that was very detrimental to the United States.I mean, it's along the lines of what's happening now with Russia and China getting into bed over Ukraine, but this is on energy.And really a very damaging thing that Joe Biden's son and brother were part of.They were helping broker it.[38:50] And they would have profited from it. So it's incredible that the whole thing fell apart when the Trump administration now had come into office.And for whatever reason, the FBI arrested one of Hunter Biden's Chinese business partners from this company, CEFC at JFK.And this is a case where we're now told by, this is a whole another weird part of the story that's just happened in the last couple of weeks, but there's a, an Israeli scientist, but also former high ranking officer in the Israeli defence forces, who has just been arrested in Cyprus a few weeks ago, on suspicion of gun running charges and is about to be extradited back to the United States and he's still in jail.But I've talked to his lawyer. His lawyer says that Hunter Biden had a mole, an FBI mole called One Eye, who tipped off his Chinese partners from CFC that the FBI was investigating them.And sure enough, I mean, there's some evidence on the laptop that corroborates part of his story.And part of that is that[40:08] just shortly before Patrick Ho was arrested at JFK by the FBI in 2017, Hunter was invited to the palatial penthouse in Manhattan of the boss of CEFC, a guy called Chairman Yee, and offered $1 million to be his legal counsel in case he got into any trouble.And then Chairman Yee skedaddled it back to Shanghai and according to this Israeli, told Patrick Ho that the coast was clear for him to come back to New York.And as soon as Patrick Ho arrives in New York, he gets arrested on bribery charges.And what the Israeli says is that Patrick Ho was the fall guy.He was sort of the sacrificial lamb to the FBI.[41:00] And so, there again, we come back full circle to what we were first talking about, Hunter Biden having protection from the FBI, the Secret Service. He certainly had connections at the FBI. We do know that because after Patrick Ho was arrested, there's an email showing that he'd contacted his FBI sources about how to help Patrick Ho.
To finish, the book has been out a year. What has been the response?And also the second part, how does that fit into a Republican-controlled Congress? Because you've given them a manuscript, you've said here is the evidence in a 200-page book, you can now run with this. So what was the response coming out a year ago and how can it be used by, I guess, the Republicans now in charge of the House.[41:57] Well, it's been an amazing bestseller. I mean, it just keeps on selling even today.It's still in hardcover and, you know, it was on the list apart from, of course, the New York Times.And so I think, you know, the reviews on Amazon from regular people have been good.I mean, I think it's like 4.6 out of 5 and 10,000 reviews.And the feedback I get is that people appreciate it because it's such a complicated story and this is sort of putting it into narrative form.James Comer has told me, who's the head of the oversight committee, that he loved it, he read it.I think it's just useful in terms of just itemizing what's important on the laptop.There's a lot of extraneous material And I think a mistake that a lot of people have made is to get caught up on the sort of sex and drugs and rock and roll part of it. There's no crimes there. It's sad. It's dysfunctional.But it's irrelevant. It's just gossip. What's important is the financial and international[43:13] schemes that the Biden family was involved in. Excuse me.
No, absolutely. Well, to the viewers and listeners, you can get it. It is available hardback, it is available paperback, it is available audiobook, and also on Kindle. I personally like getting a paper copy so I can make notes.
It's not paperback yet, unfortunately. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.Yeah, but it's still hardcover, ebook, and Kindle.
 
I warn the viewers that actually often I read books for interviewing and sometimes you find them too intriguing and this was one of those that actually I ended up marking far too much in the book that there's so much information. But Miranda, thank you for coming on and sharing about the experience of putting that together and sharing the story. Thank you so much.
Thanks Peter, great to talk to you.
Thank you so much.

The Week According To . . . Gareth Icke

Welcome to our weekend jaunt into the news, headlines and talking points that have caught our eye over the past seven days, and we are delighted to welcome a previous guest and a good friend of Hearts of Oak, Gareth Icke.Gareth's desire to uncover the truth is very refreshing so we look forward to hearing his thoughts on our topics this episode including...- When 'Safe and Effective' becomes 'Neither Safe nor Effective'.- Transgender MMA fighter beats opponent in seconds, fracturing her skull in the process.- Nobody is after your kids?- Canadian "they/them" politician proposes to criminalize "offensive remarks" within 100 meters of a Drag Queen Story Hour.- Dylan Thomas, Bud Light and The Babylon Bee wins again.- Robert F. Kennedy Jr announces he will run against Biden for the Democratic Presidential nomination.- COVID jabs to be given to vulnerable babies aged between 6 months and 4 years old.- Excess deaths doubled in Japan in 2022.- WHO warns one in six infertile worldwide.- Scottish National Party auditors quit amid Nicola Sturgeon's husband's police investigation.Gareth Icke is an activist, a singer/songwriter, an author, a former international beach soccer player, the presenter of ‘Right Now’, an uncensored current affairs show on the Ickonic Network and is also the son of the legendary truth warrior David Icke.He has been attending protests and rallies since he was a small boy and he's worked tirelessly in the movement for truth and continues to do so through docu-series, films, books, podcasts, rallies, speaking engagements and much more.Gareth's weekly show, 'Right Now', goes out every Friday at 7pm on ickonic.com.It gives guests from all over the world a chance to say their bit, covering a huge range of subjects that the mainstream doesn’t want you to hear about.Follow and support Gareth at the following links.....WEBSITEShttp://www.ickonic.com/http://garethicke.com/SOCIAL MEDIA, VIDEO AND MUSICGETTR: https://www.gettr.com/user/garethickeTWITTER: http://www.twitter.com/garethickeGAB: https://gab.com/garethickeTELEGRAM: http://t.me/garethickeMINDS: https://www.minds.com/garethicke/YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/garethicke21SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0NoR3Ss4kvKyZMwv0vAQn3Originally broadcast live 8.4.23
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[0:22] And it is absolutely wonderful to have Gareth Icke back with us once again.Gareth, thank you for your time today.
Oh mate, thanks for having me. I had a wonderful time chatting to you in Gibraltar.So it's nice to be back together again.
We did have good fun in Gibraltar and if people haven't seen that, you need to get a hold.We certainly live streamed, I know Gareth has put out stuff on social media of that packed gathering.[0:47] And it was a great evening. The first time I think Gibraltar had heard some of those stories in a live event.So certainly well worth. And it was also nice and sunny, wasn't it, Gareth?
It was. It's nice to get some sun on your skin.
It was. It feels like the longest winter in the world. It was good.
You can obviously follow Gareth at @GarethIcke, is the Twitter handle, and at Ickonic, and that will take you through to all of those.And maybe if we can start with Ickonic as an introduction, if there are others who do not follow you.This is a interview you did with Lisa Copeland, who's vaccine injured in Gibraltar.And the event in Gibraltar was to publicize what's happening but also to talk to those who have suffered.So maybe you can just touch on this, Gareth, and let people have an idea of what they can find on Ickonic.
Well, yeah, I mean, it was a really interesting interview. Lisa's lovely.She's a young, kind of looking fit, looking active person who suddenly had, I mean, I can't remember how old she is, I think she's early 50s, had three heart attacks after having the jab.[2:01] And she kind of, after one heart attack, didn't put two and two together, as people don't necessarily.And it was actually a nurse that told her, you do realize why this is happening.And then she had another heart attack and it was a consultant cardiologist who said, you do realise why this is happening. So there is knowledge within the medical profession.And she then had a third heart attack and thank goodness she's still with us, you know.[2:29] But she's one of countless, countless, countless. And it's the thing that Gibraltar that was interesting is, you know, there was kind of pelters thrown on social media. Why are you going to Gibraltar?Why Gibraltar? Why Gibraltar?And then I put a picture up of me and Dr. David Cartland sat by the pool because we had one day, there was one day where we didn't have anything.So we just sat by the pool and I saw the comments that were, oh my, that's why you're going to Gibraltar.But it wasn't that, it was because Gibraltar is actually a very important place.It was Gibraltar that was the first place that the vaccine went.The RAF flew in all these doses of the vaccine to into Gibraltar.Matt Hancock stood up and said they have 100% uptake, which is a lie, but it's Matt Hancock.So of course it's a lie.And then what they did is they then showed footage of people out and about in bars in Gibraltar.And it was very much the, here's what you could have won.If you will just go and take this jab these wonderful Gibraltarians have done, then you can get your life back. And you know, countless, people would have gone and got it based on that. But having spoken to people in Gibraltar, that was just nonsense. That's what they were doing anyway. They didn't have these, you know, they had one hard lockdown, I think, and then the others were just kind of, yeah, maybe a little bit, like they weren't anything like what we had. So they conned the British public and they conned the world, because we were the first people to roll these things out. The rest of the world, look, oh, look, Gibraltar's got 100% uptake and they're all fine, they're great.[3:57] But actually they're not and there's lots of vaccine injuries.Lisa is just one of many and there's absolutely no yellow card system in Gibraltar.There's no VAERS system or anything, there's nothing, there's nothing that they can do. And so, when we spoke to, it was very strange because Gibraltar is such a small country, we were just all sat around and this guy came and joined us and I bought him a pint because I was going up to get everyone a drink and I sort of, as you do, if someone's with you, even though I didn't know who he was, I was like, oh do you want a drink? And he went, oh yeah I'll have a pint of lager please, so I got him a beer. Turns out he works for the health minister out in Gibraltar and he acknowledged the fact that there's these vaccine injuries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, yeah, you know, And then he said that basically for any compensation, for people to get any compensation whatsoever, they have to basically jump through hoops, go up, stand on the moon on their head for 20 minutes and come back down. It's just ridiculous, it's just not going to happen. And then went on to say, you know, basically along the lines of, you know, it's above my pay grade. At which point, I think Dr David Cartland just got up and walked off and went, I can't deal with this.[5:04] It's the ridiculousness of it, isn't it? You know.It's worldwide all the same.
No, but well done getting that interview and putting it out because it's important for those in Gibraltar to hear what is happening in the country because we hear often what is happening in the UK, in different parts of Europe, but it's important to hear of a country that's supposedly 100% vaccinated, what could go wrong?And we can chat about what's going wrong because we're not on YouTube.So it is absolutely beautiful.
You know, it wasn't 100%. That was a lie because there were people at the event, people that put on the event that haven't had a single jab so that's nonsense but at the same time if you if you were pushing for a hundred percent and say you got that there's no control group.And that's ridiculous with anything, to not have a control group for an experimental medical treatment. It's just insanity.[5:55] Completely insanity. We will get into some other insanity as well.I just want to say there's Jackie DuBois watching on Facebook. Great to have you Jackie.Let me look on GETTR. Neil Cain was first in, evening guys, watching on GETTR.Living Truth 21 Ireland from Dublin, Gareth 1965, HW Logan, sorry it's moving quite fast now, Paul, who else, Nick Bumble, Charlotte, Baroness of Burnley, hi Charlotte, Yusel, lots of people, thank you so much and I will see if I can pull in a few of those as we go along. But talking about madness, let's go to the transgenderism stuff.This was a video that you put up, and I think you'd retweeted.But I think also it's it's of an older fight and not the most recent one.But Projam, if I can bring it up and you can play that for us.Can you play that?[7:03] Fox. Oh, that's it, fell in, Fox. Holy cow! Game over.Wow. And a quick finish to it.[7:14] Winner's $20,000 championship tournament fight. The winner is, one more time, Alistair Quince. Or, Fox. How you feeling?[7:25] Right, so the Gwyneth Tawd, this was a fight, I think it might have been started a couple of years ago, but transgender MMA fighter, Fallon Fox, beats opponent in 39 seconds, fracturing her skull.And it's what we're seeing in events, which women are participating against someone who is not a woman but is a bloke and huge danger for women in these sports and obviously in a sport like that there's a lot of physical force and aggression and I really am concerned as the transgender movement grows in the sporting arena what could happen to women.
 
It's insanity, there's no other word for it mate, it's absolutely what you've got is you've got a lad and obviously it cut off at the point just before he started speaking. It's a fella with a fella's voice. You know, so, okay, so Stan Collymore then after he gave Urika Johnson a slap and it was all over the papers, he should have just said he was a woman.I'm a woman. And then everyone would have gone, it's fine. Sorry, that's fine. Don't worry about, it. It's just insanity. You know, men are physically stronger than women. That's just, that's how it is. And so you're allowing a man to beat the living hell out of a woman.That is just literally insanity and we're supposed to be going along with it. And anyone that[8:49] disagrees with it is a bigot or a fascist. That gets shouted out a lot. Not sure how they've sort of squared that circle. But at the end of the day it's like any of these things. When insanity is allowed to happen and it's allowed to carry on and it's being affirmed, that's the whole terminology behind this insanity. In the end bad things happen and you know what it did there, she got a fractured skull but what next? What will go further than that? So all of a sudden the next one's dead and then do you draw the line? Probably not. So then how many, how many, how many? It will get to a point unfortunately where such horrific things will happen that that's when people will go oh actually maybe, maybe this is a bad idea. So it was always a bad idea and anyone with a rational thought in their head knew it was a bad idea. You know, men, rapists that commit rape against a woman and then go, actually no, sorry my name's Julie now, and they get put in prison with women.[9:49] I mean, honestly, if you went back 20 years and you said, in 20 years time, this is what's going to happen.They'd put you in a padded cell.They'd be like, no, he's a maniac.He's a maniac. But that's exactly what's happening. And it's normal.And it's this, like I keep saying, you've got to affirm something.But it's insanity. Why would you affirm insanity? If a bulimic person or an anorexic person came in, like three stone wet, gone and just said, I'm fat. What do you do then? Yeah, your massive love, huge. Is that what you're supposed to do?Because that's what we're doing in this sense. We're just affirming, we're agreeing with insanity, which means no one's getting help with any of the mental issues that they're going through.And so it's just going, just going unchecked, unchecked, unchecked. And then what happens?Then you end up with three dead children and three dead teachers. Because someone who's really mentally ill doesn't get the help they need.[10:45] The quote from, I think this was in 2014 when it happened and it could have happened again, but 2014, the quote from the female, who had her skull broken by the male pretending to be a female was, "'I fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength "'that I felt in a fight as I did that night.' "'I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man.'" she was part of my, that'll be a man, or because I'm not a doctor, I can only say I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life.[11:19] And that is when a woman goes up to fight a man who's much more well-built, it is overwhelming force.But as Jackie comments, the female competitors didn't complain or boycott.That's the concerning thing, that they don't stand up I guess a fear of what being cancelled is better than ending up dead, I guess.
Well, there is a fear of being cancelled and if you look at, in America, where they have these track meets and they have these scholarships and things that are based on athletics, they are told to shut their mouths.People have come out and said, if I say anything, I will lose my scholarship.So there's a war on women. I mean, there's a war on kids. That's been going on for a long time.There's an absolute war on women in so many different ways.And this is just one aspect of it.And it's extraordinary to me because you go back just before Rona, during the hashtag Me Too movement, toxic masculinity, men, big, burly, horrible men, too much testosterone, hairy faces and arses, they were the problem.They were pushing women down. They were doing this and they were doing that.Well, now all it is is very feminine men that call themselves she, her in their bio.Now they're doing it to women.It's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing, but no one's saying anything, which is extraordinary.And so, but it never, it doesn't end in a good way.[12:48] This is the problem because not only will someone in the ring in an MMA fight or whatever else, end up getting killed, because that's what will happen if you fight people that are a lot stronger than you.I mean, that's why welterweights don't fight heavyweights, because they would kill them probably, because there's a strength, huge strength difference between the two of them.But on the other end of the spectrum, what's going to happen is when you look at, you know, in New Zealand with Posie Parker and the swimmer that's spoken out against transgender Leah Thomas, obviously, America, she got attacked by transgender activists and all this kind of stuff.There seems to be a lot of toxic masculinity around transgender activists for some reason, but what happens then is, okay, some of those women will feel intimidated. I don't think Posey's one of those women to be fair, but some women will feel intimidated and they won't, they're all right, I'm just going to shut my mouth and stay at home, I won't do it. But most won't, most will go, no.[13:48] I'm going to stand up more. But actually, next time we do an event where we want to speak our[13:53] mind and say our piece and speak up for women's rights, I'll bring my husband, or I'll bring[14:00] my dad, or bring my uncle, or bring a couple of mates. And then all of a sudden what you have is a situation, if you look at Posie when she stood there in New Zealand, imagine if Posie had five or six lads with her, pulling back. It's carnage, absolute carnage. And this is the thing as well, I thought I mentioned this actually when Eddie Izzard, that whole thing at the Labour conference where he just walks into a woman's toilet and then just no one says anything. There's a security guard there, no one says a single word. Well what happens then is if I'm in that situation, so I'm stood by the toilet, my daughter goes into the bathroom to go to the toilet and I'm waiting outside and I'll wait outside. If I see Eddie Izzard walk in, my first thought would be to look for the security. Excuse me, a guy's just gone into the toilet and if the security guy goes yeah that's fine. Well then what happens? Do I go oh it's fine then? No I go in. I go in and sort the lad out and that's what people will do. And so again it's and then like Jackie says maybe there's some style to it because it's another way to divide people because most transgender people don't believe in any of this nonsense at all. They don't. They just want to get on with their life like we all do. And well it's the extreme.
 
No completely. Let's look at this which is the trans movement in children, which is the dangerous part. And I think this is the part which will concern us. Projam, do you want to just play that? Don't enlarge it, just play it as it is.[15:27] Small screen.
 
Anybody can do drag. Drag is for anybody and everybody who wants to put on a fun costume and get up on stage and entertain people. Everybody should try drag at least once.[15:38] It's really fun. Even kids? Yeah, there's actually quite a few kids that are starting to do drag.Do dogs do drag?Do dogs do drag?I mean, they can. You can dress a dog up in a dress and take him on stage with you.Anybody can do drag.
 
It's it's bringing in children, normalizing this.[16:00] I wonder what goes inside someone's head to think that should be normal behaviour, sexualizing kids.
Yeah. Why would you do that? And that is actually the main issue that people have.Like the organization Gays Against Groomers, they were started, they were formed based on the fact that actually this is the sexualization of kids.I saw Blair White was tweeting, that at the end of the day, you wanted equality, you got equality, there was one simple rule, just leave the freaking kids alone.You do what you want. If you wanna, just do what you like.Take bits of you off, stick it in the bin, have surgery, don't have surgery, call yourself whatever.I couldn't care less.You know, I honestly, it's none of my business what you do. But just leave the kids alone. And the problem again that will arise is that there's going to be carnage as a result because parents won't have it. They won't have it. Some will, few liberal parents, or so-called liberals. But when you see these drag queen events, you don't see many men there, but you don't see many other ethnicities there either. It's white liberal women that are taking their kids to drag events. Why is that? Why is that? You know, I don't know why that is. But[17:13] you know, what I think will happen with this constant sexualization of kids, and it's one positive actually, is that it will unite. It will unite people because the whole idea in everything is to split people up, just separate, separate, create little divides, little wars, because if we're arguing with each other, we're not looking up going right, sort that guy out. But then when you attack the kids, all those boundaries that we wouldn't normally agree with, because, you know, sexuality, sex, income bracket, colour, creed, political persuasion, all these things that are used to separate us, they go out the window, because we've all got kids. So Steve.[17:53] Who's a labourer, and Dominguez, who is a bloody, you know, professor of whatever, they're completely different in every single way. They probably have nothing in common. If you stuck them together in a bar, well, they would never be in the same bar. But they both got kids. And so actually, no, I'm not having it. And all of a sudden, they're on the same page. And that is one positive to come out of this madness. But the only the only thing then that you ask is, is where does that lead? When these people unite? How does it? How does it look? Because I spoke to Jamie Mitchell of of gays against groomers a couple of days ago, and she was saying her biggest concern is the fact that The LGBT community, which is an annoying term anyway, community as if they're all the same but it's falling.It's falling for the first time in a long time and it's because of these maniacs, these activists.[18:45] And lunatics. That's what's happening and she's saying look you know we wanted equality, we got equality, it's amazing, oh oh and then and then we have it has to go further and more more insane and so she's speaking out about it. Lots well Gays Against Groomers is a collective of the LGBT including trans people, speaking out against all this madness. And they get called, well their[19:09] Wikipedia says they're a far-right anti-LGBT organization, which I mean that's some mental gymnastics that is. So they're being attacked but they are you know doing their job and standing up and fighting and their real concern is one the kids and two the fact that actually their own community is going to get dragged into this. Because these people, these maniacs are doing it in their name?
 
Well I want to jump on to Canada. Pro Jam is that number five video?Not in the Dylan Thomas. I want to look. This is what is happening in Canada.And maybe it is, let me bring it up.[19:54] Give me a moment, let me bring this up. Yes it is, it is, sorry. Do you want to play that, play the top one, it is Canada, so play that.
 
We will not let fear win. A world without trans people has never existed. A world without drag has never existed and it never will.Queer people have always been here amongst us. They are our co-workers, they are our brothers, our sisters, they're our mothers, our fathers, they're our families. Drag is art, drag is culture, drag is educational, drag is creative, drag is comedy, but drag is not a crime.My name is Scarlett Bobo and thank you so much for your time.[20:37] So the setting to this is in Canada where it's been proposed that within 100 meters of any drag show. You cannot say anything that may be interpreted or taken as rude, offensive, transphobic, phobic, common sense thinking, whatever. Now, when I first saw that talk, it did look like a new Marvel film of new superhero characters that was going to, but no, that is actually what's happening, kind of, and that is regarded as the norm. And of course, you know, Jordan Peterson obviously claim to fame initially was against using language, forcing people to use certain language.And it seems, yeah, you could be 99 meters and if you say something, then actually you could be found guilty. And I don't know what the penalty will be for it. But again, criminalizing speech, it is so, so dangerous.[21:31] Yeah. And the thing is, the whole, you know, these people are just being used. The person there, the drag artist there, whatever they are, that's giving that speech there is just being used because as soon as any legislation like that comes through, well then that just goes blanket, that counts for everything.So I think people within that group need to actually be careful what they're pushing for and wishing for because it will come back and bite them in the backside on another occasion because that's how it works.I couldn't take my eyes off the nodding mask wearing ducks in the background.My eyes were instantly drawn to that, just nodding idiots.Canada is madness.When I was younger I used to want to be out in Canada. I love ice and stuff.I went out there a few times. It seemed like a sensible version of the United States for a bit.And now it's just absolutely insane. You know, Fidel Castro's son's gone in there and absolutely just torn it to shreds.[22:35] It's extraordinary that people go along with it for one, but also the fact that, my question is always this, why do you want to, normal drag shows, do what you like, mate.We have hen-dos and stag-dos in there. Like, do you like, the kids bit is the issue.Why do you want to do it around children?Why do you want to wave your arse, your spotty hairy arse in front of a kid while they put dollar bills in your thong and stuff?Why do you want to do that?But not only why do you want to do that, why is it that the state is so obsessed with protecting your right to do it?Given all the other rights that they take off of all of us all the time, particularly Canada, you know, if you donated some money to the truckers, they froze your bank account, right?So there's no rights in Canada unless you want to have the right to wave your fat hairy arse in a kid's face.And for me, you know, I'd love to sit down with one of them and just say, why do you want to put your arse in a kid's face?A genuine question and I will wait for the answer because I have an assumption that my assumption is the fact that you're a bit of a nonce.That's my assumption.You can feel free to correct me. I'm open to being corrected if you're not that.But in my mind, a grown man that wants to dress up scantily and stick his arse in a kid's face.[24:00] There's a word for those sort of people. And I would love an answer.I mean, I doubt I'll ever get one, to be honest, mate, but I would love one because I can't think of another word apart from I'm getting the word nonsense.
You're expecting some common sense, Gareth, which...[24:15] The problem is, you're right, I don't think many of these people have had a conversation with the sane person to discuss this because so many people fall into line and just accept the badness, but there's no pushback.But yeah, that's what's needed. That's good.
 
Parents need to parent.That's what needs to happen. You know, there's a lot of parents, well not a lot, but there's a few, unfortunately, parents out there that basically, you know, have sex, get pregnant, out it goes, on you go, whatever.You know, you have a job, there's a job here, and it's full-time, mate.And that is to protect that child.Now, part of protecting that child is protecting them from predators.Simple as that, whether that be in the jungle or in a nightclub.Not that there should be a nightclub anyway, but that's your job and you know parents need to start doing their job and if they did their job this stuff wouldn't happen because what would happen is four or five drag queens with a fetish for sticking their arse in kids faces would turn up and twiddle their thumbs in an empty venue for an hour before going home.That's what would happen if parents did the job and they're not.
Let's the continuation of this with advertising.[25:33] This was Dylan Thomas back in a past life. If you wanna play this projam, we can watch this beautiful dance.
It has been the wheel. Yeah, you get to spin the wheel, but guess what?You get a second chance in this game first. No way. Oh my God, oh my God, I'm still in it.So you know two prices already, which is a great thing.$3.99 and $5.99. Which one do you want to keep?I'm going to keep the $5.99. Something else up here is $5.99.You can tell me what it is.You get everything. I'm going to say the soup. Soup! $5.99. It's pretty fancy. It is... Yes!Yes! You got it![26:14] Music.[26:20] Look at that. Right, it goes on, it goes on.But, it is a bit, and I can't even show the video of him, her, it in the bath with the bud because it's just, it's too, it's ingrained on my memory, I don't want to put it on others.But it is this, an individual like this probably would have got help at some point in our society and now we cheer on this person who has issues in their life and really should be helped.And now they're making a ton of money and they've been released onto the world.But yeah, I mean, talk through it and I'll bring up some of the Babylon Bee articles around it, which I thought was quite funny. But yeah.
Dylan's a narcissist. A complete narcissist who is obsessed with self-promotion.[27:16] I would have no doubt that Dylan refers to himself in third person often, he's that sort of character, but I also think it's trolling as well.And when I say trolling, I don't mean the fact that it's fake, because he's gone off and had his face reconstructed, that's not trolling in the sense that it's fake, his face is different now.But by Nike and Bud Light and all these major corporations doing what they're doing, they know what they're doing is going against women and they know they're going to get pelters for it, but they don't care.It all, it feels to me like they're trolling women.[27:54] Why is Dylan now a face for Nike female athletics?[28:03] One, the dude's not an athlete. He's never even seen a track or a weight, right?So he's not an athlete. So, okay, so you're not, it's not even like Leah Thomas, go actually they won blah blah blah blah blah. There's no reason why Dylan is getting athletic apparel whatsoever. He's got a support bra on when he doesn't have boobs because he's a fella.[28:26] I don't know what he's done with the tuck in it. He's done quite well with that to be fair because they're pretty tight pants and you can't see anything so well done actually Dylan on that.In terms of the Bud Light where he's in the bath again it's a parody, it's a mick take of women.They're with the bubbles, oh I can't understand bubbles because I'm a woman so I don't get bubbles, they're confusing for me. It's that again it's just taking the mick and the high pitched and...[28:51] As if that's the way that women are and the way he dresses and he's got the pigtails and all that that sort of stuff. That's not a woman. That's, that's not how women are. That's, that's a clip art version of a woman. It's a parody. And so then when he's saying, you know, there's no men in my DMs. And of course, there isn't. Of course, there isn't.Because because even if men accepted the fact that you were a woman, and they went, Okay, no, no, no, you know, transgender women are women, is a woman, I have no problem with being with a transgender woman, and crop that point, right?Even if they were thinking that they would look at Dylan and go, how annoying a woman is Dylan? Yeah. Dylan's just a dick. Like Dylan's not the woman I want screeching all the time. How long does Dylan take to get ready? Two hours? Like just an absolute narcissistic pain in the arse. And so that's what I honestly think that they're doing now that they're doing on purpose. So you've got people at Nike, you've got people at Bud Light and all these other organizations.I mean, he's making absolute killing, isn't he?That they know what's coming. And they go, yeah, go on, do it, do it.I mean, why would you seek out Dylan and go, this person who gets pelters all over the internet constantly, this is the one that, this is good for our brand.No chance, unless you're trolling.[30:09] Let me show the Babylon Bee, which no longer is making up stories that are no longer true.Actually part of Babylon Bee is just mocking what already is there.Here's beverage pretending to be beer features man pretending to be woman.Love that one. There was another one. Let me just show the other one quickly.[30:31] And literally Babylon Bee, no shortage. And it is this one.Santis and Budweiser attempt to discover how many beers it would take for Dylan Mulvaney to pass as a woman.I mean, Bud Light is not strong, so it's gonna take hell of a lot, but it's great when there are sites like that that are just willing to completely mock.And I think that's what it takes to mock what is happening, to point out this is not reality.Jackie says, should I show Kyle? We'll show the 18 seconds of the night dance, just because you asked nicely. Oh, it was amazing. It was like, it was like river dance, a pissed up river dance.Is it this one? Let me play this one. here's some fun.[31:24] Music.[31:41] I mean it is pure narcissism you're right Gareth, it is complete narcissism.
 
Yeah and he's surrounded by people that won't tell him the truth that's part of the problem I think and that's what Sam Smith fits into that category as well, surrounded by people that just go along with it. if I, did that and I said to my wife or one of my mates can you film me doing this, they would be there going you look a fucking idiot. I'm not good, stop it, stop it. They would tell me, you know, no, no and that's what needs to happen, you know.No Dylan.
 
Gareth, we've only met maybe twice but don't worry if I ever see you putting out a video like that I will happily tell you what the hell has gone wrong, Gareth. You need help.
 
I've got good people around me, haven't I Peter? That's the point.He doesn't have good people around him. But then at the same time, I look at Dylan, and then I look at the other guy that's famous in a similar-ish way, the one who's got lipstick on all the time, a creepy smile, and has always got stubble, and is trying to get kids to private message him away from their parent.He's a predator. He's a proper predator, that one. He's dark as hell.There's something really sinister about that guy.Dylan is just a narcissistic Wally.[33:01] And what he wore when he was doing the Price is Right or whatever that show is called, he dressed up like Wally, didn't he? So it's almost like he knows that he's a Wally.But the other one is far more sinister in my view, if anyone's ever seen him.And any guy that's there on social media doing the real smarmy smile, it's just, oh God, he gives me the creeps.If I was walking through a park at night and I saw him, I'd leg it.[33:23] Trying to tell, telling kids to, join this private message thing and talk to me privately, that red flags everywhere.
Yeah. Well, let's leave the trans stuff in the rear view mirror and move on to something much more positive.And it is this, this is Robert Kennedy Jr.'s statement.[33:46] And he has submitted his paper where he says, I filled with the EEC and will announce my candidacy presidency on April the 19th in Boston. I'm grateful for the outpouring of support. Now,[34:00] I get Robert Kennedy Jr. would be someone on the opposite side politically as me, but I've been blown away by his bravery and stand on COVID and calling it out for what it actually is, calling the jabs out. But yeah, what are your thoughts on Robert Kennedy Jr. putting his name in the ring to stand as the democratic candidate.[34:27] Well to be honest I'm not one for politics really. I just think it's all a bit of a sham and all a bit of a show and all just basically give people the illusion of choice because you get to vote every four years for someone that is essentially not going to do anything that you want them to do and then four years later you'll try and replace them with the other guy and then the same again and so it goes on and it just gives people this illusion of choice. I'm not a fan of politics But for me, one, the Democratic Party will never pick him as the candidate for presidency, ever.That's never going to happen. And even if he got close, they would Bernie Sanders him, like they did with Hillary. They just never let it happen. But at the same time, if he can get there and he can get on the campaign trail and can get on debates and can say things and get some truth bombs drop in left, right and centre, then that's only a good thing. I'm the same as you, politically, I'm not so much with Robert in the sense of the whole climate change, human caused climate change stuff, he's really big on that and always has been.[35:36] But in terms of vaccines, he's great. I'm pretty sure actually his vocal injury was actually that was caused by a vaccine I think, which I think set him on the journey.That seems to be the case, you know, it's the same, like people that would, he would probably have not really given it time of day, the fact that actually these things that you can't possibly talk about long before COVID, you know, you can't talk about the measles ones or MMR and autism, all these things, these conversations that had people cancelled and their lives and livelihoods destroyed.But then it's happened to him, so now he's on it. And he's, like you say, he's brave and he goes for it.Same, I guess, with Malhotra, the fact that he would have poo-pooed anything against vaccines and then one, in the COVID jab, kills his father, and now he's on the trail with it.But yeah, for me, not a big fan of politics, but if he can get some truth out there and get some stuff out onto mainstream media, That's amazing.
Completely. Let me move on to this on COVID and this was an article in the Daily Mail.[36:52] And this was COVID jabs will be given to vulnerable babies for first time. Health Chiefs recommend two Pfizer doses for 60,000 at-risk infants aged six months to four years.And it actually says those with poorly controlled asthma and chronic heart conditions are included.Like giving them an experimental jab is going to fix heart conditions.I thought the evidence is there to say, actually it does cause heart conditions.It is infuriating that they haven't got it.[37:29] Well, if you ever needed evidence that people in positions of power are complete psychopaths, with absolute contempt for humanity.Look no further than a headline like that.You, at the end of the day, you go back two years when it was 100% safe and effective and it was gonna save the day and give everyone their lives back.Amazing, just look at Gibraltar.They didn't give it to six month old babies then.So now you fast forward two years and you go, right, okay, it's useless, it's admitted that it's completely freaking useless and it kills people and it gives people heart disease, and it causes God knows how many percentage rise in excess deaths.Right, so we know that now.So now's the time to stick it in a six month old. Obviously, of course it is.What are you doing?[38:23] You know, it's so hard to get beyond the fact that there's clearly some form depopulation agenda happening.And because the thing is with the vulnerable, Peter, is they've got a ready-made excuse.It's the same with giving this stuff to people in care homes and giving it to vulnerable elderly people and whatever.When they die, they were vulnerable, weren't they? Yeah, that's sad, isn't it, that they were vulnerable.
But all the, I mean, with all the Pfizer dumps, and we've talked to Amy Kelly, who pulled together all those Pfizer dumps and had Naomi on before, but they go through and what, 167 or 172 is it, people actually went through the trial, but of those, I think only six of the rest were placebos.You've got no evidence for any testing on children, no data that actually this is deadly to children at all.[39:24] There's absolutely nothing available that would persuade any sane person that actually it's children that now need jabbed.And any children with a health issue, that's probably 10 times reason not to jab them with that.But I don't know whether it's Pfizer demanding it. I don't know whether it's contracts, but it is pure evil happening in front of our eyes.
And it comes down, like everything is connected.It connects into drag queen story hour in the sense that this is on the parents.The parents need to not let this happen.100% just need to put their foot down. No, doctor, that's not happening.And you like to think that doctors wouldn't do this either. No, I'm not doing that.I mean, I might be being so bloody naïve with that, but that's what I hope.I hope that the uptake is none, that the parents say, no, not doing it, not a chance.Because that's what needs to happen. Because at the moment, as Jackie says, it's not mandated.It's not even like you've got some kind of battle on your hands.But the problem is that you'll find is children in care.Children in a vulnerable care system will end up having it. I know people that have adopted[40:46] children that are kind of a similar mindset to myself when it comes to vaccines, and they[40:53] weren't allowed to complete the adoption until the child had the childhood immunisations. That that was part of the deal. They wouldn't have done it, but they wouldn't get the child, it was done before the child was given over to them. So I would imagine it would be exactly the same for any child in care. And it's just so evil. It's so beyond evil. It's unfathomable to me.
It is, but the dead are in Japan and you mentioned depopulation and this is something which I I am still trying to get my head around.I haven't gone down that rabbit hole as yet. I remember having James Delingpole, he's well done.I'm looking down at the hole, but this is the deep population, this is Japan times.Excess deaths doubled in Japan 2022.COVID-19 may be to blame, I really think, no way.But again, it's not looking at the impact of the jabs.We've seen this across many countries, Germany, we talked to a German politician about this, it's now coming out in Japan, a lot of data coming out of Japan. But I wonder what time, my worry is that people will not wake up because they'll not be getting the information and everything will be blamed on COVID, but you can only blame COVID for so long until the truth comes out. So what are your thoughts on this and then maybe even on the depopulation side?[42:21] I think people are starting to wise up.I think they're starting to wise up to it. I think, you know, your kind of, you know, your pronouns in bio, Ukraine flag in bio, blue heart in bio types will never,[42:36] like they'll never get it. Like that. For me, they're an NPC that is just it's done. Don't just forget them. Don't worry about them. The nodding mass mass covered ducks in the background on that video. They're the same forget about them. But most people that have rational thought or, well, I say they will, they are getting it.I have conversations with people all the time and they won't buy that stuff, that's nonsense.[43:02] You know, I mean, the local gym that I was going to, they started a course of, well, a way to try and make some money to train people with long COVID and it just got laughed at because it's ridiculous.It's just ridiculous.[43:15] And so that whole kind of trying to push COVID on stuff, it's just dying, it's dying.All over the world it's dying out because people have had enough and people's life experience, as was always gonna happen, people's life experience has now outweighed the fear porn that they were getting from the media.You know, when people were locked in their houses and they were being told, you know, this is happening here, this is happening here, happening here. Oh my god, it's terrifying isn't it?Because they couldn't see. And now they're out and they've had conversations for two years or more of people going, do you know anyone? No, I don't know. Do you know anyone that knows? No, that's weird, isn't it? That is weird, isn't it? That started to wake people up. And then the jab rollout. Oh, no, it's safe and effective. Yeah. Bloody tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxers, dangerous, far right, you know, all the usual. That was then balanced out with, well, my aunt June.Oh, well, a couple of lads I used to play football with. Oh, well, the landlady at the local pub, she was only 45.All of a sudden, that reality, Lisa Copeland, pro-vax, took the vax, three heart attacks.She's now going, well, that's ridiculous. This thing is dangerous.It's killing people. It's nearly killed me three times. And so that's what's happening.And so I think they're going to really struggle with pushing these nonsense headlines.People won't have it.[44:38] Well, this, it's this, so infertility, and this has made me.[44:46] Naturally, no, oh, sorry, I'll bring it, sorry. Let me bring up this.
Yeah, World Health Organization, one in six, isn't it?
Yep, it's one in six. Let me pull up the story. But I mean, how does, because this is something that.[45:02] It's slowly, slowly coming out, And it seems to be that, actually, let me just bring this up.When the WHO are coming out with this, that's the thing I can't get my head around, to one in six infertile worldwide.And it says, despite high rates, fertility treatment is inadequate and expensive across the globe, pushing many hopeful patients into poverty trap.But it's 17.5%, one in six. And that is a level that's rising and rising.[45:36] I don't know why the WHO are putting it out. What are your thoughts on this?
Well, it reads like when you see the headline, it reads like complete gaslighting. But then, when you actually read the article, the studies was up to 2020. So it's actually nothing to do with you know, these these COVID jabs. Yeah. But sperm counts, particularly in the West have been absolutely plummeting for decades. So it doesn't surprise me that infertility is infertility is so high. What what I find interesting about it is no one seems to want to get to the bottom of why it it is. And it's the same. It's not vaccines. That's the answer.And it's the same with with autism. You know, when that whole thing was out there of, you know, autism, but it's not vaccines. Okay, right. All right, fine, whatever. Let's just put that on the on the on the side for a minute, then.What is it then? And then people go, you know, are this, you know, processed food? Okay, well, let's have a chat about processed food, then no one seems to want to have that conversation. The other element of it is, you know, we live in in a world with something like 18 to the power of 10 zeros,[46:43] whatever it is, it's something insane,times more radiation in our lives than there was just 150 years ago.Is that doing something? People sat with their laptops on their lap, radiating their bollocks and their ovaries, sat with mobile phones in the pockets, you know, but no one seems to care.No one seems to care. All it seems to me, it's not vaccines.Oh, okay. And then, right, you know, do you want to watch Bargain Hunt?No one seems to have any kind of concern as to, all right, okay, well, even if it isn't that, what is it then?Because, you know, we hear about climate change, oh God, you know, all the polar bears and stuff, and Greta's not going to school again, and all that sort of nonsense, and pretending to get arrested when she's not actually being arrested at all.Because we are facing an extinction level event.We're not, we're not, which is why all the politicians that are peddling it, your Obamas and your Al Gores and people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are all still buying multi-million pound waterfront properties.You wouldn't be doing that if you think the sea's rising, but there you go.So we've got to focus on that.[47:48] This infertility and dropping sperm counts, that is literally an extinction event.Because if you can't procreate, you cease to exist. And then maybe that's part of it.Maybe that's part of it. You bring the population right down, a smaller population is easier to control. Just look at the nations where the draconian COVID measures were brought in harder.So New Zealand, tiny population. Australia, tiny population for the size of the country.Canada, tiny population for the size of the country.[48:20] And then you, you, you even, even down to the UK, you've got England, pretty heavily populated, fought back, Scotland, tiny population, was it five and a half million?Far more draconian, Wales, far more draconian, cause it's easier to control a smaller group of people.So that will play a part in, in why you would want population reduction.And the other part, you know, the conspiracy theorist in me, people focused a lot on, on 1984 through all this, terms of the parallels between Orwell's 1984. But Orwell was being taught by Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World. Take a look at Brave New World, you know, and what that was, you know, that's a comparison as well, in terms of the world that's being created for us and around us.And in that, there is no procreation. There's state hatcheries, where the state grows, you know, and then you look at Israel, they've already got fake wombs in Israel.Like this whole thing is all happening at the same time.You know, you've got smart cars and smart meters and smart this and smart that.How long till you got smart people?[49:26] Yeah. But my big thing is on this, I'm trying AI to the piece on AI with Lotus Eaters during the week, and it's frightening on where that is going.Everyone who's causing for a pause for those who are actually involved in doing AI, but that's a whole other.
But that's why the same is in Silicon Valley. The people that make the iPads and all these things, They don't let their kids have them.
But on this, you're right that people read these stories and then they go on to watch Bargain Hut, whatever.But it's these stories, this infertility, it's a entertainment piece.You read it over your coffee, and then you go on and get on.You don't think, well, what have I just read?What does that mean? And people aren't processing the information.They're just reading it glibly and seeing it as a piece of entertainment for a few minutes and moving on.That's the frightening thing that the penny is not dropping in any way of some of these big issues.
No, because that story won't be on page one or page two or page three of any newspaper.It won't have made any BBC or Sky News bulletin, won't have made any of those things.But they will focus on climate change and all this sort of nonsense, but they won't talk about that kind of stuff.[50:52] So it's, you know, most, we're talking about it and people that are listening to this are processing it and have probably read that story.If I walked out into the cul-de-sac I live in and knocked on people's doors, they'd probably think I was a bit weird, but if I knocked on people's doors and asked if they knew that one in six was infertile, they wouldn't know.They'd be like, really? Seems a bit high. Door slams. They wouldn't know that.Most people wouldn't know that.You know, even people that have gone through those problems themselves, they would think that they were in an absolute minority. They wouldn't realise just how prevalent this is and how huge that is as a story. It should be front page news, it's massive.[51:33] Yeah, let's just do two or three minutes, our last story north of the border and something completely different and people were all quite surprised whenever Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland stepped down and now we have SNP auditors quit, Scottish National Party that is, quit amid Peter Murrell police investigation, who was the chairman who was married to Nicola Sturgeon, and it seems all to do with finance and when Sturgeon resigned it was well she was a bit too stressed and social media were taking pot-shots at her and now this police investigation seemingly been going on for for two years but I was intrigued because it seemed it's quite a very public way the police I guess could have gone in it could have done but no they set up a huge tent outside it was massively public and it's maybe this answers the stories of why Sturgeon actually did stand down.[52:33] Almost certainly it looked like Fred West's house didn't it with the tents outside what was funny is I went out walking yesterday with a mate of mine and he's Scottish guy and he was, you know, SNP and he, you know, probably about three or four years ago now was like, nah, she's a demon.But he, you know, supported her because he supported independence, which is the Trojan horse that got the SNP in. It is. Because that's the only thing. Without that, they've got nothing.And what they've done is they've stitched themselves with this self-identity bill, because even the most ardent, you know...[53:08] Yes, voters have actually gone, okay, this is a bit weird now.We've gone too far now. It's getting dark. What I thought when I saw the...Anyway, so I told my mate David, sorry, cut my own story off then, about the whole thing. And I said, you know, they had these tents outside.He's like, what do you mean? Well, like digging for bodies.I was like, no, but it does look like that, to be fair.And maybe skeletons. I think there's a hell of a lot of skeletons.[53:31] But my first thought when I saw it is, for me, all politicians are the same.They're just left and right, different cheeks on the same arse, right? And actually I'm not a fan of the Tories, can't stand them, can't stand any of them. The one bit of credit I will give the Tories is that they don't try and pretend they're not bastards. They don't try and hide it. Whereas you've got Labour, which are a bunch of bastards, but they try and pretend that they're not. They put an LGBTQ flag and a Black Lives Matter thing on it and they try and pretend that actually, Oh, no, no, we're the good guys.You're not. The SNP are the same.And so I look at Sturgeon and the rest of them, and it's the same with Jacinda, because she stood down for other reasons as well, is they're always what they accuse you of.Always.The amount of times, if I went and searched it, the amount of times that Nicola Sturgeon has called out the Tories for being private landlords or having investments in private healthcare companies, which are all legitimate things to call out.If you've got a politician who is a private landlord who then votes on legislation to protect landlords, there's a conflict of interest. So yeah, that's a legitimate thing.Same with the NHS and all that sort of stuff.So they've got a point, but they're doing the same thing.[54:45] They're always doing the same thing. They're just pretending they're not.And the SNP are the same. The SNP are just the Tories with a pride flag.[54:54] To this point, I don't understand why people still vote. I have to say, I don't understand it.And if you want to vote, that's fine, but I don't.And then people go, people died for the right to vote. Nah, nah, they died for a legitimate choice between two things that weren't exactly the same.That's not what voting is. Do you want this World Economic Forum puppet or do you want that one?Do you want AIDS or do you want cancer? It's not really a choice, actually.I don't think people fought for the right to choose between AIDS and cancer.Not what they vote, that's what they fought for. So actually that argument that if you don't vote, you don't have a right to to argue anything or say anything is just complete rubbish.I have the exact right to argue it because I knew they were both bastards so I didn't vote for either of them. So when the one you elected gets in and acts like a bastard I'm allowed to stand there actually and say, told you, told you, you know. So I don't know what the answer is in terms of politics and I don't claim to. What I think would be a start would be the none of the above.[55:56] I do believe just putting that on a ballot, even if it's just a protest, it would start a conversation and there would have to be some kind of change. If you had Labour, 10% Tories, 8% you know and then like 70 odd percent, none of the above. All right so 70% of the country literally want none of these people. That would start something, that would start a ball rolling. The other thing that I believe Peter is what I said in Gibraltar is to have a contract, a binding contract between the people, then I'd vote actually, between the people and the political party or the politician that are elected.So if I say to you, right, Peter, what I'm gonna do is if I get into power, I'm gonna bring taxes down, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna provide more for education, for this, all this big long list of stuff.And you look at that list and you go, mate, that's pretty good, I'm gonna vote for this guy.And I get in, I don't have any, I don't have to do any of the things that got me elected.I literally don't have to do a single one and I can still be in power for four years[57:05] without having done any of that. In fact, I can do the opposite of every single one.So what should happen is there's a contract and I have a certain period of time where I have to implement those policies. And if I refuse to implement those policies, I'm gone.And there's a snap election, bang, to be replaced.That again, that would be a start. I mean, that's not necessarily the end goal and the perfect scenario, but it would be a start, that actually people would have to do what they promise rather than just say, bring down taxes, everyone gets a free Lamborghini, cheers.When they have absolutely no intention of ever doing that.
Yeah, completely.[57:43] Gareth, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for coming in and sharing your thoughts on all those different stories, thank you.
I know, well, we did about 40% or 45% on transgender stuff. And you know, people say, and they say it to me and Rich, why do you talk about this subject so much? Because it's so important to protect kids and protect women's rights and stuff and to protect the gay community as well because as we were talking about earlier, they're becoming targets now. It's that pendulum swing that will come back And actually, you know, it needs calling out.
No, completely. Well, let me just finish on, let me just show just two or three funnies just to finish with. And we'll not give any comments, we'll just leave people with a smile. Sometimes there's so many issues happening that we don't leave them with a smile.This was, let me do this. This is when you're on your first date and she orders a Bud Light, You know, it's not going to go well.There was just, we didn't even have time to show Bob Moran's cartoon, my goodness.You need to look at that, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Piers Morgan.You need to look at that, absolutely wonderful. And here was one of Dr. Robert Malone's jokes, which I thought was, they're all very funny.[59:10] Rapes, robberies, assaults are all up last year. Manhattan DA, what do you plan to do about it? Indict Donald Trump. This is the AG, Attorney General Bragg, who is indicting Trump. There are so many articles, but we will not because we have run out of time. Make sure and check out Gareth Icke on Twitter, Ickonic on Twitter, and follow all of the content they are putting out. And if you want to make full use of the content, you can can pay for that content because I think we're used to getting content for free, aren't we, Gareth? It's important for people to realize if something is worthwhile, then they should pay for it. But just, I'll give you a minute to plug Ickonic just as we end.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, it's as cheap as we can make it. So that obviously, you know, all the staff can live and stuff can get made and all the streaming costs and the website costs and the developers, you know, they've got four full-time developers and stuff.So it's as cheap as it can be.[1:00:15] Which I think is about $7.99 a month. There's five weekly new shows and then some comedy in there, lots of films, original films and licensed films, documentaries, self-help, yoga, nutrition, pretty much everything that you need really there.And you can start a free seven-day trial whenever you want. So if you go to ickonic.com, start a free seven-day trial, check out all the content, see what you think.And also leave us some feedback, you know, because the fear is that you become a bit of an echo chamber and you end up making content that you enjoy, which is great, but that's not necessarily, you know, what people want.So feedback is always, always welcome.[1:01:00] Okay, sounds good. We'll leave it on that. I'll wish our viewers a wonderful rest of your Saturday evening.Happy Easter Sunday for you tomorrow. Hope you have a wonderful time, however you're spending it with friends and family, or just chillaxing by yourself, have a wonderful time.And we'll be back with you on Monday with Miranda Devine, laptop from hell, New York Post journalist.We did a prerecord with her a few days ago. So she's with us on Monday discussing that bestseller.So on that, have a good evening and we'll see you on Monday.So thank you and good evening.

Diana West - Is the Indictment of President Trump the End of America?

We have all been watching the events in the US unfold over the last week regarding the indictment of President Trump. It is an honour to have award-winning journalist and author Diana West join us again to take a clear look at the madness. We all know the the left hate Trump and everything he stands for with a passion but what has transpired over the last few days really takes this fear and loathing of him up several notches, the charges the Democrat led legal system have brought against him seem flimsy and weak.There does not seem to be any smoking gun or legal failure that will take Trump down, yet the Democrats continue this legal charade which seems to only unite the Republican party and Trumps core base even more, join us for Diana's expert analysis.Diana West is an award-winning journalist and the author of The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy, American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character and The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization. Diana is also one of 19 co-authors of Shariah:The Threat to America (a Center for Security Policy publication).Diana’s work has appeared in many publications and news sites including The American Spectator, Breitbart News, The Daily Caller, Dispatch International, The Epoch Times, Family Security Matters, Gates of Vienna, Manhattan, Inc., M, Inc., National Wildlife Magazine, The New Criterion, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, The Washington Post Magazine and The Weekly Standard. She has made numerous television, documentary and radio appearances, and addressed audiences including at the American Legion, the Danish Parliament, the Heritage Foundation, the Hudson Foundation, ICON, Institute for the Study of Strategy and Politics, Judicial Watch, the National Vietnam Veteran and Gulf War Coalition, the Naval War College, the Union League Club, and Yale.Follow and support Diana at the following links...Website: https://dianawest.net/gab social: https://gab.com/realDianaWestPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/DianaWest​Diana's books are available on Amazon in print, ebook or spoken word on Audible...https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diana-West/e/B001JRU95Y?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1660565570&sr=8-2Interview recorded 5.4.23
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TRANSCRIPT
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak, and thank you for joining us for another interview.Coming up with Diana West.Obviously, we're looking at what is happening in the States with President Trump being indicted, being in New York and then coming back to Mar-a-Lago for that speech, which I watched.And Diana West, obviously as a US citizen, having her finger on the pulse is the perfect person to try and explain some of the madness of what is happening stateside.So we just go through and she shares her thoughts on what she has seen, the judicial system.[0:55] The politicization of that, the media, the lack of response, how the Democrats' hatred of Trump, which we know all too well, and how this will play and how it's galvanized, I think, Trump's support amongst the Republican base. Because there is a distinction between Republican support for Trump and all those rinos and it's been intriguing watching the rinos come out in support of Trump.The Romneys, the John Bolton's, so many have come out in support of Trump. So I know you will enjoy listening to Diana as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
And hello Hearts of Oak and it's absolutely wonderful to have Diana West back with us again. Diana thank you so much for joining us.
Well it's wonderful to be back with you Peter.
 
Great to be back and your country is seen crazy times at the moment. I will get into that looking at the indictment of President Trump is at the end for America and everything is happening around that. Obviously the viewers can follow you on Gab @RealDianaWest and dianawest.net is your website. They can follow everything you are doing there.Now I think the first, I watched the Wednesday morning when I watched the Trump speech, watched the plane flying to New York.[2:20] I think probably that was Tuesday evening. But I mean, my thoughts were, if you're gonna take the former president or current president out, your case needs to be shocking.It needs to be absolutely overwhelming.And watching it, it kind of seems to be quite underwhelming.In what's been put forward. But can I ask you, what are your thoughts as an American watching what has been unfolding?
 
Well first of all this is it's a black day for America because this is[2:55] not any sort of a legitimate prosecution. This is a political persecution and prosecution of the opposition leader at a time when, and you and I have talked about this before, America is in a post-coup period.We had a coup d'état between November 3rd, 2020 and January 6th, 2021.And so right now, the government that governs us, frankly, we don't know who's governing us because we have a puppet in the White House, and we have effectively some kind of a, what we might think of now as some sort of a junta, that has gone out to arrest the opposition leader.And I think that one of the most striking comments on these events comes from the president of El Salvador, El Salvador in Central America, who said, imagine if this happened to a leading opposition presidential candidate here in El Salvador.There would be all manner of cries of banana republic, junta power, strongman politics, and all the rest of it.That's the American position, the state of America today.[4:10] There don't seem to be any new facts on the table. And I know President Trump talked about others looking at this case.If you look at some of the issues on the table taking aside the, this is taking out the opposition candidate, putting that aside.And what they brought, it doesn't seem to be anything ground-breaking, there's no smoking gun. It just seems to be the same old stuff.[4:37] Right. That is true. I mean, in terms of a legal case, it is, I'm not a lawyer, but legal experts are looking at this as a junk case, which is the point. But I think also interesting to your viewers would be the notion that campaign violations, campaign finance violations happen periodically to all manner of politicians and they generally are treated as a fine.Witness Hillary Clinton, who had a similar kind of discrepancy in her campaign finance forms related to her payment for the Steele dossier, which was a disguised payment.And she was fined, I think it was $8,000. That's kind of the level that we're operating at.Obviously, this has been exploited and exploded and exaggerated in order to make this kind of a political display which ties right into the next presidential campaign cycle.Believe me, if Donald Trump were enjoying retirement and simply, he's 76 years old, I mean, remember that.If he were simply playing golf and playing with his grandchildren, I tend to think this would not be happening, but he has not taken himself out of the ring.[5:53] And I think that this is what he gets. This is what he's had to deal with in different forms since he first emerged as the presidential candidate going back to 2016 or 2015 even.This is the treatment that he has received because I think if we step back and we look at this first from the vantage point of Central America as what happens in dictatorships, But then stepping back to even farther, when we look at where Trump 2016[6:26] actually stands in terms of the whole globalist project, the project toward world governance, the project away from democracy, away from individual freedom and so on.He was the great interrupter. And I saw such an interesting clip from George Soros circa 2009 today.I'd never seen it before. You know, we used to look at some of these experts, if you wanna call Soros an expert, but people, leading figures in finance or politics, least I did, and sort of think they were giving you their assessment of things, as if they were thinking independently or didn't have already a plan.And as I watched Soros in 2009 explain that, well, the American economy is going to stay weakened, the American dollar, we have to see that the American dollar is weakened, China will be the driver of that, and will emerge as the leading economy.This was kind of his spiel back in 2009. And you realize all throughout Barack Obama's two terms, this was certainly happening.[7:29] It was going to continue happening under Hillary Clinton, and then you have this great interrupter.And so he's not only a great interrupter of American politics, he is a great interrupter of the globalist project.And I think that it's good to remember that in terms of trying to understand why, as you say, you know, warmed over charges are things that have already been looked at and dismissed political machinations, why we're getting this now.And it's, he remains an interrupter, even after everything that's happened, he remains this very potent force and they just can't let it go.And the other thing to remember for your British and European viewers is also, this repudiation of Trump was a repudiation of the American people, because the American people voted for him in 2020.And so when it's not simply targeting Trump the person, it's targeting the entire American political process.We are disenfranchised officially, and now we're actually seeing the man I consider to be president in exile, now president possibly in incarceration going forward.So it's a terrible time in America.[8:45] Explain to us how, for those of us across the pond, over the UK and Europe.Is it simply that any attorney general of any state can simply bring charges against Trump?Is it because some of the businesses are based in New York?I mean, is it simply that the attorney general here, Alvin Bragg, just has utter hatred of Trump and he's the one who's willing to do this?
Well, that's a good question. And I don't wanna be ignorant about what attorneys general can do in different states againstnational figures, figures that have connections to the state, residency in the state at a time when charges could be brought. I think that's true.I think that's true.It's the kind of thing that certainly doesn't happen. This is unprecedented in American history to see criminal charges pressed against a president.It's this particular case is something that is kind of a hybrid case because there are federal aspects of it knit into these state charges.But the important thing to remember is that someone like Alvin Bragg is an elected official.He's an elected Democrat official.[10:00] And for example, when you see Congress now talking about, oh, we're going to investigate Alvin Bragg, that is actually a way for them to do absolutely nothing because what jurisdiction could Congress, our federal representatives in Washington, have over a state elected official in New York,what they are really doing, in my view, is avoiding exercising the powers that they do have in this same political legal process.And that is specifically related to what we may be seeing happen to Trump.[10:33] And that will be in the area of federal charges. We're not out of the woods.He's not out of the woods in terms of perhaps getting charged by the Justice Department related to various cases that are open against him.And the Justice Department is under the jurisdiction of the Congress.There's oversight of the Justice Department, oversight responsibilities that our elected representatives are supposed to be actually carrying out, specifically the prosecutions and also the judges.We have federal judges now who may be sitting over Trump in the future, in the near future even, who have been using their judgeships to strip away due process and create new precedents, all related to the January 6th prosecutions, which have been ongoing.And the dragnet is increasing. They're vowing to bring in a thousand more of these nonviolent, often generally misdemeanour charges against Americans who were there to protest the election steal on January 6, 2021.In that bench, this federal bench of DC, you have judges that have created this new precedent for incarcerating pretrial defendants, defendants who have[12:01] not come to have now been incarcerated for over two years in absolutely gulag-like conditions, in DC and elsewhere in this country, in penal institutions, experiencing torture, literally experiencing beatings, abuse, deprivation, and these are non-violent defendants, these are non-violent charges, these are often just misdemeanour charges. And what the reason I'm bringing this up is that this is a place Congress has jurisdiction and is punting, just absolutely not doing anything about it. And this is also a place where all these presidents have been created, I fear, to execute against[12:45] President Trump. And if he, this is something that we have, this is the other crazy thing that I'd like you to know, Peter, is that this whole story in many, many ways is considered an alternative media story.And I don't mean the President Trump arraignment, which was a media circus, but in terms of[13:05] what has come out about the federal involvement in January 6th, the assets, provocateurs, informants from the federal and other governmental agencies, including DC Metro Police, that were involved in either getting, worming their way into the confidence of certain defendants and their defence team circles, or actually inciting and leading violent and lawless abuse of the law on January 6th.There's video, new video of Metro police actually exhorting people to break through police lines, climb scaffolding, things like that.This was very much a frame up in so many ways as we're learning.Judges have been making this kind of information, which is part of the discovery process, not available to defendants.They've been, again, leaving them to rot in these gulag-like conditions.And Congress has done nothing about this. So when I hear them now ranting and railing about Alvin Bragg, to me that is a complete act of misdirection.Where are they in terms of calling out this political persecution out for what it is? Nowhere.[14:19] And so, you know, this is sort of why we are in such a compounded, dark place and have been.You know, this is not something to look at as a discrete news event.This is a consolidation of the seizure of power that took place going back to the last presidential election.
Yeah, we've had Jake Lang on and I was shocked. I had no idea the situation with so many people being held without trial and everyone should have the right to due process.And it seems those individuals have not, simply because the Democrats have decided that. So I was blown away by the situation.
 
It's shocking. It's shocking. And again, it's an alternative media story or if you talk to individual defendants, it's absolutely suppressed.But meanwhile, they've been creating this new set of rules that could very well, maybe they were created in the first place knowing that someday the dragnet would include President Trump. I wouldn't put it past any of them.But it's also important to know that a lot of these same people are very much part and parcel of the democratic machine, including, for example, the U.S. attorney of the District of Columbia, a man named Matthew Graves, who in 2020 was on the domestic policy committee of the Biden-Harris campaign.[15:40] So this is the kind of people sitting, It's not against the rules or the lot for this to be the case, of course, but it's just showing where these people are coming from.[15:53] There's no recusal when there are tremendous political affinities that are part of a background, including, for example, the judge who will be sitting in judgment of President Trump.His own daughter is deeply embedded in democratic politics to the point of working for Kamala Harris and Adam Schiff as well, who was the congressional representative who led the impeachments against President Trump.Nobody sits and says, oh, well, maybe I'm a little, you know, there might be the appearance of impropriety. If I were to sit in judgment, I should recuse myself for someone who has less partisan ties, for example.It doesn't happen. It's, it's, that doesn't happen in political persecutions.And you know, where do you, where do you go for historical precedent?I mean, I go from everywhere from the French Revolution to certainly show trials that took place in the Soviet Union for this kind of[16:53] punishment of opposition. It's not merely making sure people obey the law. It's about punishing people for the way they think and for having the temerity of exercising their First Amendment rights in so many of these cases. So that is kind of where we are. We are, you know, post-constitutional. We are post-democratic. It's just a terrible thing to wake up to, but there also seems to be very little realization of just how these different events knit together. And it's really important to see them, I think, in a continuum.
 
With the legal system so politicized, certainly I from a student of politics from very far away from the US have never seen such a level of politicization in the judicial system, in the legal system. And that absolute division, I mean,[17:57] Trump divides people like no other. You either love him or you hate him and we see that absolute hate in the Democrats that they're not interested in right or wrong, they're simply interested in the hatred of Trump. Where does that leave, I guess that begins to become apparent to the American people despite the failure of the media to report fairly. But I mean, yeah, talk to us, through that politicization of the legal system.
 
Well, it's a very interesting subject you raise, this politicization. And I think that to really understand it, we have to go back, gosh, it's probably about 100 years, to Pavlov's dog. Pavlov was the very important Soviet, well, Russian to Soviet scientist who did all the experimentation on conditioned response.[18:55] And he very famously, you know, most people think of his dog who was conditioned to salivate, first for a piece of nice meat, but then you could take the meat away and you could create the salivation with, I think he used a red light to create the same thing. And what a lot of people don't know is he did experiments on people as well and the learned response is something that has unfortunately, tragically, entered into our world of politics and media. And certainly beginning with, in the most dangerous ways, going via totalitarian states.And certainly we get to, for example, the Chinese revolution that brought Mao to power, we get the term brainwashing.Brainwashing, when I was growing up, I thought brainwashing was sort of a cartoon term that it was not a real thing, but it actually was this washing of the brain, this creating these responses, these conditioned responses.[20:01] And in China, this was done by repetition, by these groups and communes that would preach over and over again the same messaging.And you would face ostracism and so on if you did not adhere.And then now the reason I'm going through this is it's not at all, I'm not exaggerating.I'm talking about what has come into our politics in all the democracies really, but in the Trump example,[20:29] this has been, the divisiveness is part of this learned response.And in terms of the acceptance of our current regime, I will never forget on election night in 2020, watching the coverage and seeing as things were, or maybe the next day, as things were starting to look very murky in terms of the outcome and what had happened and the various accounts of different kinds, many, many different kinds of fraud that were becoming quite clear.You started hearing the exact same phrase in every written and spoken news story.And it was the phrase was something like unfounded claims of election fraud, unfounded claims of election fraud.This started before anyone had even finished counting anything.And so I bring that up just because we are all victimized, I do believe, by this conditioned reflex regime that just became so commonly used to manipulate[21:31] people.So in terms of the divisiveness of Trump, I think that that was another one of the conditioned response operations, if you will. Certainly it's used all across politics in many different ways.But if your question was, where do we go from there? Or, I'm sorry, I lost your actual question as I was trying to lay the groundwork for something.
 
Yeah, just with that massive division, you've got a problem in society.If you have institutions siding with one side, it takes away the whole pretence of democracy, I guess.[22:08] Well, yes, but I would take it a step further because we are not in a normal time.And I would say that it's not a matter of the institution siding with one side or another.I think our institutions have been seized from within. I mean, I think we're looking at a very, you know,[22:26] a different kind of long march through the institutions than the kind that we would look at again, you know, in China, for example, where you see a revolution, you see it take shape, you know, you watch it and you know what's going on and they have red stars on their shoulders, right, so you know what's going on.The revolution that took place in America is one that is that is at least we can we can certainly date it a hundred years, or date it 90 years for sure since the Franklin Roosevelt administration, but it has been a revolution from within. It has been a Frankfurt school revolution.It has involved the seizure of all these institutions. Everything had to be in a line to get to 2020. Everything had to work. The courts had to be gone. Both political parties had to be subverted. The education, on and on through all of this. So this is a very long, a long war that is now in this particular, perhaps, end stage.So it's not so much that the institutions are to one side, it's that the institutions were seized. I mean that's how I look at it. It's just not politics as usual, I guess is what I'm trying to say.[23:39] 100%. I mean watching the man himself, Donald Trump, watched his speech, confidence, bravado.And I had the absolute privilege to see him speak at CPAC, being at the front there and being in a pre-event beforehand with a smaller group with him. And I was blown away by the show.You see the showmanship on TV, but that absolute confidence.And it is, I guess, also arrogant.But that leadership, that's what you need to actually lead people, to stand for what you believe with, to portray those values and take a country with you and he has all of that and I'm kind of wondering what the Democrats, want to do with this. They know who they're up against and they know his strength of character and they know the widespread support that he has and I'm wondering whether they've kind of overplayed their hand because I can only see this emboldening Trump.[24:47] Yeah, it does. I think you're right about that. I think that It's hard to imagine that they wouldn't know, the reaction this would have and you know It's sort of another level of nefariousness if that's the case because it may be that what they're really trying to do is embolden all of us to a point where they can bring a hammer down on you know in different ways, It's a really strange thing to be in the country and have this feeling of occupation.[25:25] Is that the right word? Of alienation from the institutions, alienation from these law enforcement agencies, fear of them.It's a very strange thing. You look back at history and we see takeovers.We see tanks rolling. We see, this has been such a different process.So yes, he's emboldened.He is, I think, certainly one of the most remarkable men of destiny that we've seen in our lifetime.And he stacks up against many others in history, love him or hate him.He is this remarkable, irrepressible man.[26:06] He is a man, people forget. He's a man, he's a human being, he's 76 years old.It's an amazing thing what he was subjected to for running for president, for being elected, for actually trying to govern.I mean, I think a lot of other people would have withered away at this point and gone happily into a retirement situation.So yes, it is, you're correct that the impact is what you would think would be backfiring, And yet, do we have a system at this point where the people's will can even be translated into political power?And my cynical, I don't even think it's cynical, but just having experienced the last few years, I don't have that confidence to say the least.I don't think we have any expectation that voting in 2024 is going to mean something if our candidate is not the chosen candidate.And that is kind of really how bad things are in America at this point.We have a 2020 election that was never, never addressed. We did not have the audit that was required, for anyone to have any confidence in the American political system.[27:30] So 2024 is going to be better? It doesn't make any sense. But look what happened in 2020.Every institution on the right walked away from it. Everyone, every foundation, every party, everything, they walked away and said, oh, we're going to take care of election integrity going forward.It's kind of ridiculous. But it's not ridiculous. It's sinister.[27:56] Obviously you expect Trump's core base within the Republican Party, but watching Mitt Romney.[28:05] Watching John Bolton, watching a whole plethora of rinos actually come out and speak up, watching Pence come out, I find that intriguing.Tell me what your thoughts were on this galvanization of the Republican Party.
Oh, it's just, it's excruciating. They are such, they are such losers.And they're, you know, I don't know what the best historical parallel, I'll have to think about it for a minute, but they are about as inspiring, you know, as a soggy piece of Wonder Bread.I mean, it's ridiculous, but they are what is, it's kind of like, I often think of politics and media, to be honest, and historians and so on.There are certain ones who operate inside the circus ring, and they can play with certain balls and certain dancing bears, and that's all very much fun.But actually, everything that's important is outside the circus ring.And if you go outside the circus ring, that's when you get zapped by this deep, dark state of whatever you want to call the powers that be.And certainly all those men you just mentioned are all exactly circus ring dancing bears.And so they can do whatever they want, but it's meaningless.They're impotent and they're embarrassing.[29:27] But yet they're putting their public support, now privately it may be hugely different, but that galvanization of the Republican Party makes, obviously the Democrats have thought through this.That's what I can't quite work out. have thought through the scenarios, And yet it's coming back to hit them so quickly.
In terms of Trump's resurging support?
 
Yes, within the Republican Party, that there is anger at what's been happening at a former president being indicted.And those who traditionally were not for Trump suddenly are saying, actually, this is wrong, at least publicly.It's interesting that kind of coalition that is coming together only because of the stupidity of the Democrats?
Well, if Trump is so enmeshed in this legal fiasco.[30:27] Which again can also include other charges in other jurisdictions like the federal jurisdiction, it could be that they just are banking on the fact that Trump will not be around for whatever reason.I mean, they will somehow take him out.And so then they become the brand. And frankly, it's also, I think, nobody wants Trump supporters in the Republican Party.That part of the Republican Party wants nothing to do with Trump supporters, nothing to do with MAGA.And in fact, historically speaking, the Trump supporters, the MAGA people of today, have been previously purged from Republican polite society in the past.This is not a new development in American politics.The sort of traditional right, the American first type, very sort of heart of oak and heart, you know, the yeoman type American has long been unwelcome[31:34] in Republican party circles that could be represented by a Mike Pence or a Romney.And so in some ways, maybe that's also what this is about.The branding continues and the uni-party, because they do represent what we could also call, not just rinos, but the uni-party, the party in charge of things, is just perfectly happy to be in the minority, or not be in power, but part of the process.And so I think maybe that's kind of what drives them. I mean, it's certainly a conundrum, But I think those sorts of factors do play into some of what we're watching.
It's again, looking from the UK, this seems to be all about hush money and hush money NDAs.They're fairly common in business across the board. So once again, I'm scratching my head thinking, is this your smoking gun?Is this it? And they seem, the AG seem to say that, well, there could be other charges, but if the charges are not there, then you can't really defend yourself.And there seems to be utter confusion from their side.[32:50] Right, right. But in terms of the political accomplishment, the media accomplishment, it doesn't really matter, does it?I mean, you could, again, go back to the January 6th cases. The charges are ridiculous.[33:03] The charges are exaggerations. There have been people who've been literally had on their indictment the crime of going like this to a police, I mean, like raising your finger to a policeman or putting on a Trump hat on a statue, this becomes a crime that ruins your life and makes your business close and your wife divorce you.I mean, literally, that's what's going on. These are all pretexts.If you're looking for legal gravity or legal answers, you're not going to find them because, again, that's what a political prosecution is.Back to Stalin's show trials or some of these other exercises in simply eradicating the opposition. That's what this is. And it's Trump, it's the people who would support him.At this point, I mean, think of the chilling effect that these prosecutions, all of them have had on just free speech in America, people being afraid.I mean, how can you not be afraid if you're going to get in legal jeopardy and perhaps clapped in irons because of one of these ridiculous, not, you know, parading in the Capitol or some such thing that's usually, and we can go back to the Kavanaugh hearings of 20, what[34:28] year was that? 2018.The Kavanaugh hearings are the perfect case for people to refresh on because they, the anti-Kavanaugh protesters occupied Senate office building.They did all the things and more in terms of interrupting the vote, the actual vote on the floor in Congress, all of these things. And they got nothing more than a ticket. They got a ticket that I believe at maximum was a $50 fine. No arrest went into their record. I was watching this report from 2018 and the reporter was explaining that these people who were occupying the building. They had to be taken out. You know, basically, the policeman would tap on their shoulder and they weren't even put in handcuffs or zip ties. They were given a color-coded bracelet. That's how the left treats protesters. That's how the state treats the protesters.When you get to the Trump situation, the January 6th situation, they slam every possible thing and it becomes essentially domestic terrorism. So, you know, again, these are Trump, no pun intended, these are Trumped up charges. So the harder you look at what Alvin Bragg has to say about Trump, I think you're just going to keep scratching your head and just say[35:45] well, it's not in the legal code. There's something else going on here.
What about the money? I think Donald Trump Jr. talked about 20 million being spent, whether or not that's correct, but it'll be a lot of money. And when people are living in cities, including New York, where the police are being wound down, not giving the powers, and you've got rising crime, across the country. And you wonder, is this actually a good use of resources to spend money on someone who paid someone else to keep a secret? Again, will that make people angry?That actually this is not the bread and butter issue that we care about.[36:29] Well, that's a good question. It's also the case, and I think it was the Daily Mail, thank you, that reported this, that Alvin Bragg had released something like 10 extremely violent felons back into the New York population and chose instead to drag President Trump in for this completely nonviolent and as you say, perfectly legal non-disclosure agreement between these parties.Yeah, I mean, I think it would make people angry, but what, you know, New York City, what is New York City?President Trump was saying he really should be tried in a different jurisdiction because it's something like 1% Republican, which is another problem for the January 6th defendants because they're being tried in Washington, DC, which is roughly similar in terms of political feelings.So it's, again, it's by any means necessary. Political prosecutions don't have to make the city run better, right?I mean, it's not about him trying to protect New Yorkers. It's a show trial and it shouldn't happen in America.[37:39] It shouldn't happen anywhere. But it's usually the kind of thing we would expect to see, we would expect to read about from North Korea or Albania or Castro's Cuba or something like that.And that's why it is such a shock. And I guess it's also maybe why you are looking to see the grain of reality there or the cause.There must be a cause. This can't be happening in America, but it is.And that's why I keep, it's not a popular message, but we are in a post-democratic period.Our government was seized in 2021. And the rightful president lives in exile at a beautiful place in Florida when he's not being arranged in New York City.So it's kind of we're in a, it's a head spinning moment, but it is a crisis. It's a real crisis.
What's the deal, because I am assuming this has been put in play simply to tie Trump up with legal issues and therefore slow down or stop his ability from putting his name forward for 2024.So they don't have to actually rule anything. They just have to tie him up and slow him down.[38:55] Right. Of course, we know that won't happen. If he is simply dealing with legal problems, he will use them.I mean, as I understand it, he wanted a mugshot because I think they had a plan to get it right out.And in fact, there is a T-shirt, which I really want to buy.I don't know if it says free Trump or not guilty, but they sort of created a mugshot for their T-shirt.Clearly, I mean, that kind of attitude is really where he gets so much of his support and affection.Because believe it or not, I mean, and I have to have a big exception here.I've been very estranged from Donald Trump ever since he started to push the vaccine.He's not taken a step back from pushing that thing, no matter how many people have died and been injured.And I just kind of said, well, I'm done. I'm through with him.I can't even look at him anymore.And then this thing comes along and you realize that once again, he's on a front line alone and you just have to kind of, you know, accept him for what he is and where we are and what who else is there.And then you kind of, you know, you kind of find your, your feeling for him again, but it's it's, it's, it won't stop him obviously.And he, he has such an irrepressible spirit, this life force that he has is something that will turn this kind of thing to his advantage, which I know makes them crazy.[40:20] You can go back to watching any kind of, we'll go back to the Clintons and watch the way they handled, I mean, they're real crimes.That's probably one of the main reasons these people committed real crimes.I mean, think about, not even that he was even in trouble for this, but think about Bill Clinton.Bill Clinton declassified something like 11 million pages of military data that experts believe allowed the Chinese military to totally modernize and revamp itself. He also permitted, American military secrets to go to China in exchange for campaign finance contributions.[40:58] I mean, that's not just a national security, that's treason. And yet nothing happened. You couldn't even get it into an article of impeachment because they wouldn't give the committee time enough to draw everything up and go forward with different, I mean, and there probably wasn't enough will to be honest as well, but think about that kind of a transgression compared to paying Stormy Daniels $130,000 in a non-disclosure agreement, which as I understand it, was mainly so Melania, his wife, would not find out.I mean, you know, what hurts the country, right? And who, you know, so it's not really, it's not hypocrisy, it's much worse. It's one kind of crime against the people is fine with the elites. One kind of crime against who? Who's the crime against? It just becomes a pretext to destroy this man.
 
Maybe the judicial system would be a better place to find Epstein's victims rather than worried about someone who's paid a hundred thou, but that's a whole other area.[42:14] But just to finish off, I mean I agree 100% with your thoughts on the vaccine side and that's why I really do like what DeSantis has done, but also there's no one like Trump and if Trump is in the ring then why would anyone else be in the ring with him? And I'm wondering what your... it's probably never been in this situation before, obviously never having a president, former president indicted. How do you see this playing out? How do you kind of think we will be watching it?
 
Well I think a lot depends on how far they will go to use their, I think Nancy Pelosi called it quiver of arrows, against him. If they they actually go to federal charges and actually try to incarcerate him and you know do these absolutely Bolshevik things it becomes it probably becomes really difficult for him to run for office. I think short of that, I think he probably will continue to run and he will probably raise more money than he's ever raised before. So,[43:29] you know, after that my crystal ball kind of goes black because, you know, there are just so many other problems, you know, that obstacles that are ahead. But that does seem to be my at least short-term view.
 
Well I'm sure we'll have you back on. Diana, thank you so much for joining us and giving us your thoughts as it's sometimes difficult to assess things from thousands of miles away and you're living that as a US citizen. So thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts.
Oh well thank you, I'm just thrilled to be able to speak with you about it because it's a lot.You want people to to get a different perspective now that will come out through the media. So thank you, Peter.
 
Thank you for coming on.

Michele Bachmann - Can Higher Education Hold Back the Woke Wave?

I first remember watching Michele Bachmann in the race for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2011. Her strong conservative and Christian values stood out and made her a lightening rod, but education has always been her passion and her role in Regent University brings her vision for learning to higher education. She joins us to look back at her political life in Congress and to discuss how higher education can hold back the woke wave that is engulfing the western world.Michele Bachmann was born in Waterloo, Iowa. She received a B.A. in Political Science and English from Winona State University in 1978. She married Marcus Bachmann, a clinical therapist who holds a master’s degree from Regent University. In 1986, she received a Juris Doctor degree from Oral Roberts University. She was a member of the ORU law school’s final graduating class, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school library to Regent University. Two years later, she completed a Master of Law in taxation at the College of William & Mary. She worked for four years as a lawyer for the Internal Revenue Service’s Office of Chief Counsel in St. Paul, Minnesota.Michele and her husband have five children. They also worked with a private foster care agency to house 23 children in their home during the 1990s. Their children were home schooled and also attended private Christian schools, and her political career stemmed from her interest in education reform.In 2000, Michele defeated a long-time moderate incumbent for a state senate seat in Minnesota. In 2006, she entered the race to represent her suburban Minneapolis congressional district, winning 52 percent of the vote, becoming the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the House of Representatives. She easily won re-election in 2008 and 2010.Michele's extensive career highlights include:She was the first Republican woman from Minnesota elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.Michele served as a United States Congresswoman representing Minnesota’s 6th District from 2007 to 2015.She quickly became a national figure in the Republican Party and a founding member of the congressional Tea Party Caucus.In 2011, Michele announced her bid for the Republican presidential nomination and ran for president in 2012 and is a highly respected leader who is deeply committed to conservative values in government.Regent Universityhttps://www.regent.edu/Interview recorded 24.3.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!

The Week According To . . . David Vance

David Vance is back with us to discuss our way through the big stories this week in the news and have a look at what he has been posting on his awesome social media accounts. It's not for snow-flakes, expect free thinking, free speech, freedom of expression and plenty of opinion as David let's us know what he really thinks about the topics this episode including.....- BBC Launch education show for children in Afghanistan.- French protests and the brutality of the police.- Russia assumes UN Security Council presidency despite Ukrainian anger- Donald J Trump indicted.- Biden will not attend King Charles III coronation.- J6 prisoner 'Shaman' Jacob Chansley has been released 14 months early.- Town councillor jailed for Eat Out to Help Out fraud.- Poll suggests Scottish FM Humza Yousaf 'could lose seat' at next Holyrood election.- No Shit Sherlock: World Health Organization says healthy children and teens probably don't need a COVID clot shot.- NOT AN APRIL FOOL JOKE: Study finds flu shots may help prevent heart attacks. Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 1.4.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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Transcript...
And as always, it is wonderful to have Mr. David Vance. David, thank you for joining us.
My pleasure, or Peter, my absolute pleasure to be with you.The four weeks goes by very, very quickly between one of these and the next. That's life.[0:38] It does. This is the fastest live stream I ever do. You blink and it's over, so, and chatting.But actually, David, I was, what a weird, whenever we put out a video, well, actually did a live stream on Monday about the 425,000 that Elizabeth had got, been awarded by the courts.The grooming gangs.But we also put out a video clip of her father speaking, because we recorded him like two years ago, we were up in Rotherham two years ago, and we did a two minute clip of him talking about South Yorkshire police.And I sent it to a couple of friends, US friends, and they came back and said, I'm sorry, but is that English? Is there any way you can get subtitles?So I'm just hoping our US friends don't need subtitles tonight for us.We will see, we're not providing them. So just one thing before we jump in, I had a absolutely great time in for two days, three days, two days in Gibraltar.It was an event done by actually, who was it done by? It was done by Freedom Gibraltar and Workers of England Union.And it was a great event, basically the first time they had had such an event.[1:54] Opposing the Jabs. And they were worried it would get stopped, so it had to be done quietly.But really good to meet Dr. Clare Craig, really great to meet Dr. Aseem Malhotra, good to meet Dr. David Cartland, because I hadn't actually met Dave before.And to catch up with Gareth Icke and the Freds, Matt Hoy, John Bowe, who I hadn't actually met before.It was good to spend time with him. But a really great event.And Jenny Roberts had put it together and it shows what can be done in such a short space of time.We live streamed it.And I learned a lot from live streaming it because I have a load of things I will do better next time. It was good to have Oracle Films, Phil Wiseman correcting me and also Gabriel from Ickonic correcting me.So I learned a lot as we always should do. So the next time we live stream for an event like that, it will be even better.But let's jump in. Our first story, actually is not one that Dave and I talked about, but one I came across.This is of course Trans Visibility Day. So let me play this little clip from, I think Cartoon Network.Give me a moment. And, oh, which, I can't remember which squid I showed. Oh, here he is.[3:17] Music.[3:31] Yeah. Was that? Oh no, no! Oh, that was good. I was going to play longer.Obviously, this is the push on the whole trans agenda for children.And David, I think that's really one of the easiest wins for us on this issue, how children are being targeted.
Yeah. Although, mind you, I wanted to know how Trans Visibility Day went in the Muslim world.I was wanting for an update on that.I can't seem to find any footage of it, Peter, in downtown Saudi.But there you go. Maybe someone can send me that footage.But yeah, the whole targeting of kids is, of course, absolutely an abomination, deplorable, and obvious. It's really, really obvious.[4:22] I'll tell you that one of the worst things I saw this week, I don't know what you thought was, and maybe you've got a thing to bring it up, But following the shooting in the Nashville Covenant School where the three kids were shot dead by a trans shooter, like let's call it for what it was, a trans shooter, and obviously the three adults as well were shot dead.I find it remarkable that we saw in the likes of the Kentucky Capitol building and the Tennessee Capitol building, these occupations, these insurrections by trans activists talking about how trans people were under attack.And in actual fact, it was a trans person who'd done the attack.And I mean, I'll be honest, I put out a podcast on this today, Peter.[5:07] Called, you know, Satanic Inversion, because that's what I, I think that's what it is.That there, and we saw the White House, also Jean-Pierre Lecarde, you know, or is that her name?Some, whatever she's called, Joe Biden's, Joe Biden, I think it's Karen Pierre something or another, but I prefer Jean-Pierre Lecoq, coming out and again saying, I'm sure you saw it, Peter, that the White House was very concerned about trans people being under attack, as this individual one did the attack.And so, you know, about trans kids, we've got to look out for trans kids.Yeah, we got to look out to make sure kids don't become corrupted in this way by this kind of, you know, very...Deranged psychological mindset. You know, I mean, I try to be kind to everyone and I don't want to generalize across any groups because generalization is never great.[6:02] But there's no doubt about it.There are some extraordinarily deranged individuals and they're all over social media, by the way, and they think that, yeah, super duper, trans kids, it's all normal.And, you know, thank you for identifying me by my pronouns as you put in that little cartoon. It's all nonsense.
I think, David, I think in Rihad it was trans invisibility day.I think we need to get that right.
Yeah, maybe that's what we need next year.Trans invisibility bloody year is what we need, because I've seen enough of these people, you know, these individuals, because I am sure there are some trans people who keep themselves to themselves.[6:41] And do what they want to do, hopefully behind the doors.And that's OK by me. I don't have a problem with that.But it's all this. I mean, let's call it again, grooming. It seems to me it's a form of grooming, one could argue.And yeah, I think it possibly is. So we need to protect children from this.
One that Joe Biden is participating directly in himself, but what would surprise us more?Not much. choccy ice cream.
Let's move on. See you soon.[7:10] Several other stories. And this is David, actually we're just going to go through David's Twitter feed generally tonight. So obviously that is the place to go for David's stream of consciousness, which never ends. But this is BBC education show in Afghanistan helps children banned from school. I'm not sure what the BBC are doing trying to educate anyone in Afghanistan, but but maybe that's where TV license money goes.What do you think, David?
Well, yeah, I mean, it's great to see this is what are the draconian license tax funds, but I wanted to know, well, I wonder what kind of education they're providing the Afghanistani kids, or they're providing them insights into the whole LGBTQ plus agenda, perhaps into trans rights, perhaps into the 97 different genders.I mean, Afghanistani kids, boys and girls, are better off without the BBC going near them.In fact, for that matter, our kids, our British kids, would be much better if the BBC weren't propagandizing them through their programs. And actually, I'll tell you, it's interesting.I've got, as you know, I've got a couple of young grandkids.[8:24] And so when they're here, we watch, I think it's, is it BBC, CBeebies, their kids.
 
What CBeebies do.
Yeah, so we watch that. And believe it or not, this is what I do, Peter, when I'm not stream of conscience.[8:41] And it's really quite absorbing because in this, and bearing in mind that my grandkids are like, you know, not even three and just over one. So they're very young and they're watching programs, BBC's pushing out.And in those programs is the propaganda. It's right there.You can see those of us who have eyes can see it, you know.So I mean, frankly, if the choice is the BBC or the Taliban.[9:08] Well,
 
That is a hard choice. That is a really hard choice, but absolutely.Can I just just let me pull in one or two people on the live chat on GETTR on the side.Chris Davis, 33. Good evening, Peter and Dave. You're first on Chris. Villan 82.Claude 1. Doubly deplorable 007. Hello, gentlemen.And Chad from PA, Pennsylvania, PA, US. Nikki Eaddy, Evening Old, Gareth1965, Evening Peter and David, Biotech Babe, Good Evening, and there are Julie, Northern Monkey, as always it goes on. Do drop, if you're watching on GETTR do make sure and drop your comments, always good to know where you're watching in the world and how you're joining in. So thank you for those comments. Let's bring up this story, which is our next story and Projam can you actually play that?[10:13] Can you play the video of that?[10:38] I don't know if it's better in slow motion or not, but I thought it was quite good.Yeah, yeah, Raffy Irvine and Anthony Pena, yeah. It's the cinematic version, David.Yeah, yeah, Hollywood production version, yeah.But this, this is the, I guess, the brutality of the French police on the French protesters not wanting to, well, I was going to say France, not wanting to work. No, I mean, not wanting to work until they die, just having been through a French air traffic control strike. But it's interesting comparing the French response to government oppression in one way and the British response and I kind of like what I see in France.
Well, it's really quite nuanced this because first of all, those people that you saw, those police men, they weren't regular gendarmerie, right?So they weren't.[11:27] So that there are because I'm not sure the regular gendarmerie are on board with all this oppression.But these are kind of specially trained, you know, like the old days in the UK, the SPG or whatever, they're specially trained units of, you know, thugs, lawful thugs.And we've seen all the footage, Paris, Toulouse, wherever you want to name it in France, where these individuals, these legal thugs, absolutely batter the protesters.And we saw this during, Peter, I'm sure you'll remember during the Gillet Jaunes protests, which I also supported. It's the same modus operandi.So it's absolute brutality.It's absolutely police state on the one hand. Now, some people will say to me, and I've had this criticism, yeah, David, but what you don't understand is some of those protesting are professional left wing agitating protesters.Yeah, it's France. What do you expect? Of course they are. You know, ooh la la, that's France.[12:31] But some of them aren't. Some of them are just people who, as you said, Peter, they're not happy about the pension age being increased from 60 to 64.So they're out on the streets.Good for them. What's the Brits doing? They're going down the pub, they're watching EastEnders, they're sitting back complacent, taking it all. I read today, Peter, I didn't put it on my timeline, but I think the plan is, maybe not for even for your age, but the generation below you, I think this government's talking about retirement would be in the 70s.[13:04] You know, the 2070s, I don't know, no, they're in their 70s. And this is, you know, basically, they want to work people to basically the end of their useful lives, and then just let them die, and no pension commitment is required. I used to feel that, you know, I used to, my mindset's changed so much, Peter, as you know, over the last couple of years, I'm way down lots of rabbit holes. And one of the things is, I do believe in fiscal responsibility, because I am I'm naturally conservative, but this is a government that can afford to spend billions and billions on the farcical COVID scam to Ukraine and all this kind of stuff, and net zero money, endless money can be spent on that.Well how about you don't spend the money on that and help fund decent pensions, British, pensions at a reasonable age, rather than keeping, you know, dangling the carrot in front of the worker so that they work to the end of their days.I actually think that maybe something like 65 is a decent age for retirement, but on a decent pension. The French get £1,400 per month, roughly, on the French state pension. The British one is about £800. So that's how lousy our successive governments are. And believe you me, Labour won't do much to improve that at all when they get in. So yeah, I'm with the French in spirit.[14:30] And if the pension age was increased by a year, and that money somehow was ring fenced, then I can understand an argument for that. But of course, we know the problem is that none of these things are ring fenced.
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah.You know, just 1% more, but don't worry, we'll ring fence it for the NHS.I mean, we heard Blair at that back in the in the noughties.Just want to increase the tax burden so they can, this is the politicians, can spend it on their particular projects. But the projects are never about making, for example, I believe that a mark of a civilized society is how it looks after its elderly as well as its young.And if you make your people work to the end of their 70s and then give them a lousy pension, I mean, that's not a civilized society. And that's kind of where we are. So we could well do to learn, dare I say it, from even the French, because even with this Macron tyranny, they're they're still getting out of it at age 64.We're 67 at the moment, moving to 68.But as I say, what do we do? We watch the footy. That's OK then, isn't it?[15:51] Well, of course, one of the reasons why anything, state pension needs to be raised is, of course, to support the the war over in Ukraine.But this is a great story.Russia, once again, another David story on his Twitter timeline.Russia assumes UN Security Council presidency despite Ukraine anger.This is the 15 members take it up for a month at a time.They were called on the US to block it. They said they're not.But it is a ceremonial position, but it is quite beautiful to see the arguments and the confusion. What do we do with this?Russia is president of the UN Security Council for the next month. It's beautiful.[16:37] Yeah, it is beautiful. And as you said, Peter, like it is purely ceremonial. There's not a lot can happen to it. But the BBC, you know, they're having an emotional meltdown. Zelensky and the gang, you know, all those corrupt crooks in Kiev, they're having an emotional breakdown about it.And I think it's glorious. It's just a superb irony. I mean, they're saying, oh, the last time they held this position, they invaded Ukraine. What will they do this time? They'll do what they want to do. And it's as simple as that. I mean, the whole Ukraine thing continues to drag on. You know, we're now beginning, I think, in the West to get the signals that, oh, well, maybe Ukraine mightn't win everything. Maybe, just maybe, there might need to be some kind of of agreement between them and Putin.So basically, I mean, Ukraine are absolutely losing this one, anyone who's following what's going out there.But from day one, I argued against this.[17:38] I think that we should never have had war or conflict. We needed peace.We didn't want to see lives being lost.But having said that, when you've got people like Ben Wallace, or what is it, what's he, the Armed Forces Minister, I mean, he's as hot for war as can be, along with most of the Conservative Party. they, the Conservative government, they want war.And so, yeah, Russia occupying this position, lots of lols in that one.Did enjoy the rich irony of that one.You would need a heart of stone not to laugh.
 
You would.[18:10] Did you, I don't know if you posted or someone else where of the FPO, the party that actually is leading the polls in Austria, the Freedom Party, and Zelensky came in for a video call to Austria and they all got up and walked out.Wow, I mean, don't you wish you could see that in the British Parliament? And there we go, looking across to Austria for some leadership on this.
 
Yeah, that's right. They see Zelensky, for what he is, an absolute grifter at the very best, and maybe worse than that again. And yeah, they all walked out. And yet, if it was in Westminster, Peter, they would all stand up like seals, and they would all applaud, you know, Slave Ukraine and all that there, they would do that.And that tells you more about the decayed state of our political system here in the UK.And even Austria shows more backbone than Britain. You know, so what is it?You know, that's disturbing for me to see the difference. We don't have any opposition to what's going on.We just have a uni party.[19:15] Well, let's move over across the pond over to the States. And this was a beautiful meme you put up, David.Wait a sec, you cannot doubt a former president for paid off women you had sex with to keep it quiet. And poor Bill Clinton must be really, really worried.
 
He's worried.He's worried. I mean, if Hillary doesn't get him, then the legal system might.That's a great Bill Clinton as well.How about that? It's a brilliant meme, actually, you know, and obviously this is relating to the, yeah, the ludicrous Trump indictment.And again, Peter, I turn this on, actually, I look a lot of these things from a UK perspective.[19:58] Probably not surprisingly.And I listened, like, for example, yesterday morning, Thursday morning, when this story broke, to the glee, the glee and the likes of, I listened to the awful talk vaccine radio with my bestie Julia Hartley Brewer. And like they were honestly, they were salivating. Oh, this time he's going down. He's going to go behind bars. He's the worst president ever.And they couldn't, you know, it's so pathetic. This is such a farcical Trump, trumped up nonsense by the Dems and their operatives in New York, obviously. It's a fully Democrat run system against Trump. I don't know about you, Peter, because I know you're closer even to the American scene than me. But I just think this will strengthen Trump. I, you know, it makes me now, I'm 100% in the Trump camp. I used to equivocate a bit between him and DeSantis. But I don't see them wanting to take down DeSantis. I don't see them wanting to stop DeSantis. I see them wanting to stop Donald Trump. And that's because for all his faults, and he, has some faults.You know, he is, I think he's the one that they fear. So he's the one that I'm 100% behind.And this stupid, you know, Stormy, I mean, Stormy Daniels owes Donald Trump 300,000, by the way. Why is she not behind bars?[21:21] Not completely. And here's another poll you put up and I thought Tim Young has hit the big time.He's got Donald Trump reposting. This is a poll now that Trump has been indicted by the New York grand jury. Who will you vote for in the Republican primary? Donald Trump 83%, DeSantos 13%, other candidates 4%. I can't see anyone else running against Trump now this has happened. It is Trump, it is the Americans, the groundswell opinion against the system.[21:59] There's no way I can see DeSantis actually being able to run now.
I totally agree with you, Peter. At one point, I thought there might be a Trump-DeSantis ticket with Trump. I'm not even sure about that anymore. I'm certain it's going to be Donald Trump.
You know, health, as long as everything stays well, it will be Donald Trump versus, you know, whoever the Democrats put up.And so this is another classic own goal by the Democrats, to my mind, and it's going to strengthen Trump's position.Certainly, I mean, it unites the whole MAGA base around Trump.I know the GOP, I know the RINOs and all of that, they'll be delighted about this.You know, the Mitch McConnell's, the Lindsey Graham's, all of those sort of token Republicans.Well I reckon it solidifies things for Donald Trump.And I hope he, I mean I would love him, I think it's Tuesday of next week when the, I think he has to go to, or he's being asked to go to New York to do the perp walk of shame.Good, because that will strengthen him even more.And I see so much support for him, I'm sure you see it as well, swelling around in social media.Some people who have not been 100% in his camp this time around, you know, maybe has he lost it and all of that. People see this and they just go, yeah, they want to take Trump down, we're going to stand with Trump and I am amongst them 100%.[23:27] Dave, I'm just thinking on when people go on your site, there's a buy me a coffee, they can support you and I would encourage the viewers to do that. I'm thinking of buy me a plane ticket and I could go over to see Trump. Do you think that's too much? I don't know.[23:41] Well, you see, I mean, you know, plane tickets, all that, all those carbon emissions, we're trying to save the planet. I'm not sure. But if people do want to buy me a coffee, like this one, go to davidvance.net. Here you go. And you can try and buy me a coffee there.I mean, it's going to get really interesting, as you know, Peter, in the next, you know, in the rest of 2023.This indictment is going to blow up in the faces, I think, of the Democrats.And I think it's going to bring the Republican Party mostly around Trump.[24:11] It makes DeSantis irrelevant. It raises questions about DeSantis a wee bit.But I see he did say that he would not allow Trump to be arrested in Florida, which is good.The indictments in New York City. So yeah, next week is going to be fascinating. You're going to see all the images, you know, but I wish Trump would be, I'd like to see them handcuff him. That would be good because they don't get it. You see, the lefties get this one completely wrong. That doesn't make us feel bad our side Peter. It makes us go, well, if they put the handcuffs around Trump, they're putting it around everybody who stands with Trump and that just energises the support. So the only one thing I do wish Trump would do. I wish he would get back on Twitter. He's missing a huge PR opportunity. GETTR's great and, you know, Truth Social and all that, but honestly, there's like millions of people he could be reaching. He'd be well advised to do that. I don't know if you agree or not, but I wish he would.
 
And not being on Twitter means he does miss your stream of consciousness.[25:15] Yeah, well, I mean, you know, yeah, maybe that's the reason for him to stay off it, I'd say to prefer. Maybe we shouldn't blame him.Let me jump, oh I see there's Charlotte Baroness of Burnley on GETTR. Great to see you Charlotte. Hi Charlotte.Who else is, there are a load of other names. I just saw your name out there Charlotte.So obviously a previous guest with David and myself and who pulled together the wonderful Comcast.But that's a whole other story.
Charlotte and I now do Twitter spaces together.So we in fact, actually, I think we're working on one on drag queen story hour between us. So that'll be an interesting Twitter conversation to tune in.And I'm sure Charlotte will put out more details of that, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.But anyway,
 
something to keep your eyes on.David and Charlotte talking about drag queens. If you want to hear what they have to say make sure you tune in to Twitter spaces on both their Twitter profiles. This is the shocking news,i'll have to change my plans, President Joe Biden or former Vice President Joe Biden will not attend the coronation of King Charles the Third.I mean, that's that weekend, and now the Prime Minister has to attend the coronation of King Charles the Third.And I thought, you know, how can you just stop taking care of yourself when you can take care of the country, and I didn't.And I tell you what, the people of the country, they all have to go to the coronation.The people of the country, I mean, that's that weekend. I had it all planned. And now I've had to change my plans.It's not worth going to.[26:44] I know. I mean, I can understand lots of people will be devastated at this news. I mean, it's actually interesting on several levels. First of all, it sort of underlines my view that I think Biden is instinctively hostile to the United Kingdom generally. I think that what it's worth. There's that aspect to it. So it's a bit of an insult. The second instance, though, I mean, I want to avoid that weekend as well. I have no interest in Charles the woke. I have no interest in what the nonsense they're going to be getting up to. I won't be watching the coronation. I won't be watching the concerts. I won't be. I want nothing to do with it because I feel totally disconnected from this. Different with his mother, Queen Elizabeth.For this guy and what he represents. I mean, this is a World Economic Forum stooge king.And so, you know, and he continues, by the way, to the politicking.[27:45] Did you mean you mentioned just to go back to Ukraine for a second, Charles, after his planned visit to France, had to be put on ice under the fact that issues over there, you know, and kings can lose their heads in France.He went to, well, he went to Germany instead and lots of close connections there, of course.The old Saxe-Gothbergs and all of that stuff.And he gave a speech and he was talking in this speech about the great connections between Germany and the UK with regard to Ukraine.So Peter, this is the point. I don't believe Her Majesty the Queen would have been stupid enough to have said something like that. That's a political statement.You know, we can respect people's countries and say, but once you go into politics, if[28:32] you're a monarch, I think you're playing with fire.So this guy, to my mind, I just, I can't, I have no confidence in him. I don't respect him.Him and Camilla, I don't, to be honest. And that probably get me into trouble with all my unionist brethren who with all their support for the monarchy, but you can respect the institution and not respect some of the people within that institution.I don't respect him and for once Biden's got it right, albeit by accident.
No completely. Staying on the US side, and you'd put this post up from Sebastian Gorka.[29:09] This is quite, there supposedly is a fact check underneath, which must mean Sebastian is absolutely correct. And this is Jacob Chansley. I actually hadn't seen him without his beautiful gear on, at least 14 months early after Speaker McCarthy released January 6 footage that proved he committed no crime. And we, I think, in the UK, forget that there are still hundreds of people who are locked up with no trial. And I thought that would be an anathema, I guess, with everything that the US stands for, which is your freedoms and rights. And you can be locked away without any chance, really, although years away, of any trial.
 
Yeah, political pr- let's be honest, These guys are all political prisoners.The January 6th people are all political prisoners locked away.But I was so pleased that the shaman Jacob Chansley has been released.But if or, you know, or fact check or whatever.The fact is, this guy is 100 percent innocent.And they got the footage that shows that he was 100 percent innocent.[30:21] But get this, they have that footage from day one. And yet, Peter, they've put him away for 18 months in the meantime.And that shows you how vile this Biden regime is, that they will punish people just for the act of actually, in this case, he was escorted.I mean, the laugh on it was, he was escorted through the Capitol by a police officer or or two.[30:43] So it's not crime. There's no crime is committed. And it wasn't an insurrection, as I've said to you previously before.That's just the Democrat myth that they've sought to put in place.But yeah, I mean, it begs big questions into the direction the US has gone.Because as you rightly observe, a country based on freedom and liberty is happily locking up people without any due justice. Any justice has not been done.And now in this case, they're releasing one. What I hope he does, I hope he sues the hell out of the US system that put him there, because he's been denied his liberty for all that time.And with a bit of luck, we get a big payday. And he deserves that, not least for the costume, which, as you observe, I mean, you and I should probably get costumes like that and do a stream in our equivalent shaman gear.Because I think I'd look good in that there.So I'm not sure if you're more hair than me, but it would sort of suit my look, I think.But yeah, good news. I'm glad he's been released. And yeah, listen, all the others need released as well.Some of them, you know, there's some elderly people as well.This is appalling what's going on. And it wasn't for people like us and others in the alternative media, you know, going on about this.Like the mainstream media doesn't give a damn about these people.They're just put away, that's it.[32:08] But I thought the only thing he's guilty of is wearing a stupid costume.To me, that's really...
 
It's not a stupid costume, it's a good costume.It's OK, I'll give you it's a strange costume. But I mean, if you want to see strange costumes, go back to...I put a clip of, again, the insurrectionists in the Kentucky Capitol building.And some of them, these were the trans insurrectionists, seem to be wearing headgear, which to my mind looked kind of a wee bit satanic, but I mean, but oddly enough, the media didn't want to talk about that.
I saw that. If I can just add, I didn't realise I was looking, because I had the story up about Joe Biden not coming, and actually in the Daily Mail article, I thought it was good news he wasn't coming.The bad news is that.Kamala Harris may come. You have to come to London, seriously, you have to come with Kamala, laughing Kamala, crazy Kamala's coming, come on.
 
Oh yeah, cackling, cackling Kamala. That'll be, I mean, it'll be great during the ceremony. Hopefully she'll start cackling during the more sombre bits, but I'll never know because I'll never be watching it. But yeah, Kamala's coming, yeah. I'm not going to go there, yeah, right, okay.
 
I just thought I would try and tempt but okay, I failed.No, I'm not going there with Kamal. I know it's too dangerous.[33:30] Okay, we'll move on. This is an interesting story you'd put up.And we could go all different directions with this. This is former Keighley town councillor.Keighley is that town you know well from the grooming gangs.Probably not related to this story at all, but former town councillor jailed for eat out to help fraud.[33:51] And there he is. He tried to steal more than £430,000 through the government's Feed Out to Help scheme, and he has been jailed. This was over a four-week period. Over four weeks, he was claiming help of nearly half a million pounds. And of course, this half a million was from David, you and me, and all our UK listeners who pay taxes. So well done on paying your taxes. So So Mohammed Ikram could make 19 fraudulent claims of 430,000.But I guess it shows the ludicrously of the system that the government paid us to eat.[34:31] Well, it shows several things. It shows that.It also shows, as you say, I mean, he's been convicted and put away in relatively short order, Peter, relatively short order.But then if we were to change the conversation and talk about the grooming gangs and the horrible crimes that have been committed against young girls in so many of our cities.Well, that didn't happen in short order, did it? Convictions so few as they were.So there's a certain hypocrisy there. I guess the government gets a bitagitated when it sees its own, the money that it thieves from us, it being thieved in due course by people like this.But yeah, I mean, imagine my surprise when I, as I think that's what I said, imagine my shock.Couldn't believe it. I mean, a fine upstanding citizen like Mohammed there, trying to put his hand into the tune of almost half a million.And of course, I reckon this is the other thing, going back to that day, that was the help out, eat out scheme, wasn't it?[35:31] So I reckon what that is, Peter, is that's the tip of a massive iceberg, because the amount of fraud that I believe happened, and I don't have any specific knowledge of this, but just a general sense over that period during the government's coronavirus tyranny time, it's got to run into billions and billions.And again, that's what bothers me. Pensioners don't get a decent pension. But the government found all those billions for this stupid scheme of Rishi Sunak's, which didn't actually even work. It only brought us a short-term economic[36:11] spike and then it dropped down again. But some people were enriching themselves for sure. So, yeah, I'm glad he was convicted. I'd like to see, of course, others convicted, not least those within in the Conservative Party government who ensured that some of their pals were benefiting from all these contracts. We've seen about the PPE and all of that there. I mean, it's not just our dear friend Mohammed and Keighley that we need to be worrying about. There's, a whole raft of people who were absolutely milking it for all that they were worth. And at the time, it was kind of obvious, but after a year or two, at least, it's good to see at least one conviction.
 
I hope there'll be many, many more.I hope so. And reading the story that he claimed for eight businesses, of which six of them were, entirely fictitious, so basically he just put random places down and the government said, okay, well, if you say Mohammed from Bradford will pay you the money.[37:16] Literally no one in government actually processing this scheme. They just trusted people to hand in in blank receipts.
Yeah, I know. I know. Honestly, you couldn't make some. Some of the stuff I put it out, and it's almost like you couldn't make it up.You know what I mean?If you were trying to make a satire account, some of this stuff was right off that.As you said, six totally fictitious accounts, checks being sent off to them.And the government will say, OK, there's another point to be made in this.The government will say, Peter, well, look, it was a time of crisis.No, it was a time of self-inflicted chaos. That's what it was, number one.And I reckon if we expanded this conversation just more generally to how the government lavishes our taxes, I think it's just symptomatic of what just generally happens.I am sure the levels of corruption, the levels of inefficiency are staggering around how the government itself operates and how it spends money.Money. But hey, that's just the nature of statism, I suppose.
We can trust our government to do what's best for us, David.I wouldn't hear anything different. So please put that cynicism away for a moment.[38:31] On to Scotland, and Scotland making, I do really despair.If any of you are up in Scotland, I do despair of what you're doing to your country.So Humza Yousaf could lose seat at next Holyrood election with labour making gains, new poll suggests. Talking about SNP dropped 8 points, labour up 7. And of course, there's a picture of a representation of the Scottish people. There it is, beautiful representation.[39:02] When I was talking to others, my point was that actual Humza Yousaf was not a great member of the Scottish Barm is only 37 being there a short time, incapable and out of his depth. And then, I assume because of the colour of his skin, because of his background, they think we need to tick that box and how dare we have Katie Forbes who's a Christian and they stick this guy in who's, out of his depth and I hope he does lose a seat. I'm assuming you think the same David.
Oh yeah, it would be so sweet if he would, I mean I was looking Peter actually, also just as a I'll come back to Humza in a second, but I was looking at a website which mathematically calculates, sort of numbers what the 2024 election result will be by constituency.And I was amused to see that Boris Johnson in Uxbridge will also lose his seat.So I can't wait for the 2024 elections to see all these individuals fall.But back to Humza, Humza useless.
 
And Richard Tice might be Prime Minister.[40:13] Because he's a solid guy that we can totally trust. Back to Humza, so I'm delighted that he won.I was in his corner all the way through because if there's one way to destroy the SNP, it's Humza Yousaf.Because this guy, as you rightly observed, Peter, every job he's held, he's been absolutely rubbish at it.I mean, catastrophically bad in everything.However, he basically is continuity Nicola Sturgeon. That's what you have to understand.So the party machine got behind him and that's how he got the position.Although isn't it interesting, he won by the golden percentage, 52% for him, 48% against him.Now when that was Brexit, people like him said, oh no, no, no, we need to have a, we, can't possibly go with that, it's too tight to call.When he wins, it's indisputable, nothing to say, move along.So I think he is going to be catastrophically bad. I can't wait.I mean, he's already saying things which are, you know, he's doubling down on the gender realignment act.It's fantastic stuff. But it's fantastic and it's not, on a serious note now.So again, okay, conspiracy theory alert coming up.[41:25] But what's going to happen is that clearly the SNP will lose some seats because this guy is going to be a catastrophe. And that's good.[41:34] Labour's going to pick them up. And that's not so good, because it just further underlines that Labour will come into power in 2024 with an absolute vengeance. And I'm saying to you now, and everyone can come back to me when we have the general election, you're going to see it's going to be 1997 all over again, or as in the Tories are going to be wiped.It might be their biggest defeat actually ever, I believe. And so, so, so this, but In the past, like with Blair, Peter, and you'll know this, student of politics, Labour always relied on the Scottish MPs to get the majority.They always historically did.And then the SNP took that away from them. And that's what essentially removed them as an electoral force.The demise of the, the shrinkage of the SNP will help Labour and, you know, I'm not happy about that, obviously. So, although it is uni-party stuff, like.So we will see.But Humzas, in the meantime, should give us loads and loads of lols.And, you know, I can't wait to get more of his policy. I laughed at his cabinet that he's appointed.Talk about, you know, they talk about we're going to have a cabinet of,[42:46] you know, of all the talents.He's producing one of none of the talents. And that's great.So, you know, and also a final thing in this one, you know, the SNP does not represent Scotland or all the Scottish people.It represents just a very vociferous, you know, kind of hate-driven minority I think.And so.[43:08] You know, I just try to sort of think, well, the SNP bubble is probably going to burst.And maybe you take small pleasures where you can find them.I find a small pleasure in the fact that Humza Yousaf, he's going to give us what, an independence in five years, he said.Five years to be independent. But unfortunately, that's meat for the faithful.The people who vote for the SNP, look, they think that's going to happen.And I well remember Peter during the first Scottish Indy, the way the SNP people, they hate on English people.It's unbelievable. It's a hate-driven party.And in a way, even Labour winning is kind of almost slightly better than the SNP.Because I don't think they can be just as hate-driven.But there we go. Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, the naive, I think we need to look upon it as these days.
 
Anyway, moving on.And actually, you said about hating English. You do, you do.And Stu on Getter has put up white, white, white, white. He also does hate white people.
So he does. Well, that's right.I mean, yeah, I'm sure you've seen it, Peter. We've all seen the clip of Humza Yousaf standing up in the Scottish Parliament And spitting out the word, you know, this was when he was justice minister.[44:33] That 96% of judges were white.But Scotland's a 96% white society.Why the hell? I mean, just basically, broadly speaking, you would expect public representation to be broadly aligned with the demographic.So if that had been a white person saying that speech and using a different ethnicity, they would have been absolutely pilloried on it.He got away with it. And it tells you more about him. I don't think, and I know everyone watching this, I'm sure we're all the same, we shouldn't judge anyone on the colour of their skin.We should believe that people should be given or get the jobs based on their merits and their ability and not on their skin colour.That seems to agitate Humza Yousaf.And maybe it's a good insight into his character as a man.
Completely. I just see on the chat, I see my good friend, balconymuppet23, who says, let's pray they don't Epstein Trump. That's a whole other story. Well, not, sorry, just.[45:39] It's great. People contact me and want to get on, get her, because they want to join in, in the chat. So, that is one way you can jump in that. What else? Yeah, two last, last two stories.Dave and I could do this all night, but we won't because David will get thirsty and everyone else will get bored.So onto this COVID, goodness, we haven't done COVID, and don't worry, here it is.World Health Organization says healthy children and teens probably don't need a COVID vaccination.So healthy children and adolescents were deemed low priority in new guidance.The WHO said traditional routine shots were more important for the age group.Wow, what a change. What have they been doing jabbing all these children if they didn't need to?
Yeah, that's the point. I mean, the World Health Organization, it's almost like a, it's a grotesque organization.As you said, Peter, and we talked about it when we've done this over the last couple of years, you know, they were pushing jabs into kids down to the age of five years old, little tiny kids.And you've got to get the jab even though they were statistically at no risk from a virus which may or may not exist, but still get them the jab anyway.And then of course we see the adverse reactions. And they were even working on could they get a jab into kids as young as six months.So that's what they were saying. And of course.[47:08] A lot of parents went with that, a lot of parents did. So a lot of very young kids.[47:15] And I'm talking like 11 and under, took the jabs, and as well as the ones in their teens and stuff, and this was to give them protection. Now 'the end of the' World Health Organization is sort of saying, well, look, you didn't really, maybe you didn't need to do that, don't worry about it. But everything to worry about, those kids have now got their bodies brimming with mRNA and all the stuff around that and to do with the implications for their health. So yeah, it's kind of shocking that having, you know, I mean, I wonder how people who took their advice, Peter, I wonder, how they feel now when they, if they even see that, you know, if they even see that where the WHO is basically saying, yeah, well, maybe not. And of course, but at the same time, though, to put it in perspective, our great British government is turning around and saying, is it from next week?Heads up, everyone, new jabs for the over 75-year-olds. All those 75-year-olds, because maybe they want to thin, they might want to thin the herd a wee bit, cull the numbers so that the pension, they don't have to be paying pensions to the people 75 plus.So yeah, it's all over. There's no consistency.We've talked about this often enough over the past few years.The bubble has burst on COVID. The dam has burst and it's coming out, and you know this after Richard Walter and all of that, Peter.The information is, we've been pushing it, pushing it, pushing it.[48:40] The facts, the problem is, well, not the problem, it's not a problem.Reality is the facts back up what we've been saying.These things aren't safe, they're not effective, they're potentially lethal, they're very ill-advised, and people should think very, very carefully before they allow that stuff into their body.We have said that from day one, from December of 2020, vilified for it by the likes of Richard Tice, by the likes of Piers Morgan, all the rest of them. And now here we have the World Health organization saying, well, oh, actually, yeah, maybe you don't need them.[49:13] And to me, this should change everything with anyone who has gone with this, that they were doing what they were told to do, jabbing themselves with an experimental substance, and then they're told, actually, you didn't need to get that done in the first place.It's too late. You've already had it. And to me, that should make anyone who's participated in this madness sit up and think, why did I get it?And it's too late. If the WHO, if the government changed their guidance after you've had it, it is too late.And I don't know why people didn't just wait to see what was going to happen.[49:50] Because they were... Now, it's an interesting one. This is, I believe, the kinder part of my mind says people were subject to military grade psyops on a likes Peter we've never seen in our lives, you know, during sort of 2020.
As were we.
You and I, David. Yes, yes, and we resist now, we resisted, why is that? Because I believe and I'm sure a lot of people following you, Peter, are the same. We're the critical thinkers, we're the people that go, whoa, hang on a second, I'm not just going to take somebody's word on this. I want to go and see if I can work it out for myself and find out and get other bits, other views. And so yes, we completely, you're right, we didn't, it didn't work on us. But the military psyops did work on about, you pick your percentage, but 80%, you know, whatever.And, but that's so many of our fellow citizens. And I find on some of my streams I've done[50:49] that even some of them have woken up now, and they've said to me, David, you know, I've taken a couple of these jabs, really wish I hadn't. And I'm going, yeah, you know, look, I understand, You know, we mustn't be hyper, what's the word, you know, we don't want to be sort of condescending and saying, oh, you silly people, if only you were as smart as us. No, no, people like to trust and to believe. I don't. So, and I suspect a lot of the critical thinkers aren't. But the masses do, the government tells them to do it, they think on balance the government's looking after us.But the World Health Organization begs to differ when it comes to this age group as well.But I wonder how much longer before the World Health Organization says, oh actually you see everybody, yeah you don't need to take these jabs.And that means everyone is now going to essentially be fooled.And I suspect that day is coming.[51:43] Yeah, yeah. Well, let's finish off again with a wonderfully good story. Not only have we found that actually all the people who gave a ticket, you didn't need to do it. And this is another wonderful story from the US CBS. Flu shot may help prevent heart attacks. Now, if this is the first that I've heard of such a substance that will stop heart attacks, I don't know if you're more aware of this than I am, but this was news to me.
It's a medical marvel. It's an absolute medical marvel. The flu shot might indeed, as you say, prevent. And now flu shot being for a respiratory disease, right? Alleged respiratory disease.[52:28] If you believe in the flu, I don't. But respiratory disease. So why would that stop a cardiac incident. See, they're not the same folks. Respiratory system, cardiac system, cardiovascular, very, very different. Why would that be? Unless, of course, it's just complete and utter spin and nonsense. I mean, these are the people that are also saying, oh, by the way, you know, climate change, it can actually cause heart attacks. Well, actually, if I listened to the likes of Greta Von Doomberg long enough, I probably would have a heart attack. But other Other than that, climate change isn't causing heart attacks.Laughing too much isn't causing heart attacks.Yeah, I'm afraid. But there might be one thing that's causing heart attacks.But as we discovered when it came to the late Paul O'Grady, we're not allowed to talk about it.[53:23] We're not. But as we're not on YouTube, just to let you know, David may be talking about the mRNA jabs that many people took.Sorry, just a little asterisk in the bottom of that in case some of us didn't get that.
I was being way too subtle. I know. Okay, let's rephrase that.The death jab might be responsible for that.
 
The clot shot as well. Which is another version of it. So I don't want David to hold back.I don't want them telling me, why did you not let me say what the truth was in any way?David, thank you as always for coming on. Let me actually, let me just show four pictures which you've shared just to finish off with. We'll not really discuss them because we have no time, but just good to leave people with some. There's David leaving us with pictures of, I don't know the people he knows or friends. I don't really want to delve into that, but these are people obviously with issues in their lives and they need more help than an mRNA jab.[54:28] This was a lovely meme. They're going to keep creating mass shootings until you give up your guns. Once you give up your guns, they're going to kill you. You know what that's right. Just for our American friends who understand this, we Brits don't have the guns, but you may in America do.Maybe we need you to come and rescue us once again. There was this, was this a video?I think it was a picture, was it?I enjoyed it.
 
It was a picture, yeah.
 
Hate crime. If you're white, drown the violence. If you're one of the rainbow colours, that was really funny.The final one was, let me bring up the final one.This one, I wasn't quick enough on the buzzer.This was on the light newspaper. And, oh, thank you ProJam. You were there ahead of me.Oh, there. And it is this, the problem with natural immunity is that it's free and that is big pharma speaking.I think that explains everything that has happened over the last three years in terms of power, in terms of money and in terms of control.And on that, David, what do you have coming up soon? What can people look forward to apart from you and Charlotte on Twitter space?[55:51] So yeah, so we've got a Monday live stream coming up. I've got a really good guy, Francis O'Neill, coming on with me next Monday.Then following Wednesday, Wednesday week, I've got, just by way of diversion, I've got a guy called Jeff from Jeff Buys Cars.It's a YouTube channel, Jeff Buys Cars. Really, really good guy.He's ended up buying his cars.But he's become more and more, let's say, awakened. And he's very interesting on electric vehicles, the insanity of electric vehicles, 15 minute cities, the insanity and the worst of 15 minute cities.So we got Jeff coming on the stream. So we're trying to mix it up a bit.And I tell you what, it is really important. I mean, I'm very grateful for this opportunity with you Peter on a regular basis.But I think it's also really great to expose our audiences to different voices.As you do as well, so that they get different perspectives, because it is really quite fascinating.You know, there's so many people out there, you know, and have really interesting views and are very knowledgeable on different topics.And sometimes I think the job that we do is still enable them to speak.[57:01] And so that's what's happening. So Monday night, 8 p.m., join me and, or Monday night, say 8 p.m., join me, and, or on replay or whatever.And yeah, we'll see how, and as I said, there'll be more stuff.Don't forget the Daily Podcast as well.Above anything else, the Daily Podcast, the hardest working podcast channel in the UK, Peter, six a day. Who can better that?None.
So, no. It's- The name you gave on next Wednesday, is that a pseudonym for Phillip Schofield, We Buy Any Car? Because that would be a weird program.
 
Well, look, and Phillips taking a break, a much needed break.[57:42] Yeah, and we're not going there as well, yeah.
 
Well, no, I just feel sorry for Gordon the Gopher.He's never been the same since.
 
No, no, I think he's undergoing deep psychological therapy.[57:54] To help him through the difficulties.
We will finish on that without going into anything.
No, we're not going to, exactly. We're finishing on Gordon the Gopher.I mean, who says that Hearts of Oak doesn't go into all the areas that nobody else wants to go to.
All the important issues, but I'll thank our viewers for tuning in.If you're listening later on Podbean or the podcasting apps, thank you very much for being with us.And for us on, what day of the week this is, on Monday, we've got Michele Bachmann.So I did a pre-recorded Michele a few days ago, obviously was candidate for the Republican presidential candidate in 2011, and is now Dean at Regent University down in Virginia Beach.So tune in on Monday for that, as you can watch that and then David later, or vice versa, I'll leave it up to you.The great thing is technology brings it to you post the event, so you don't have to just do live, but we'll leave that with you.And on that, I wish all of you a wonderful rest of your evening, enjoy your Saturday, have an absolutely wonderful weekend, and look forward to seeing you on Monday.So thank you and good evening.

Peter Mcilvenna - Grooming Gang Survivor Awarded £425k Against Her Rapist in Landmark Ruling

Today is a great day, for the first time in British history the courts have ruled that 'Liz', a grooming gang survivor should receive compensation from her perpetrator.We at Hearts of Oak are so glad to have been a part of this process along with Lord Pearson's financing, Robin Tilbrook's legal expertise and Charlie Peters from GB News' journalistic skills and we hope it can open the floodgates to thousands of other survivors.It has truly been an honour to get to know Elizabeth through this long and arduous process, her courage and strength are an inspiration to us all. It is unbelievable that anyone who has gone through such a traumatic experience must find the money to pay for a separate legal bid to force an already convicted rapist to pay compensation. Our government and MP's have accepted this situation and we have not heard of a single MP who has tried to change the law so that survivors are automatically awarded compensation from their attackers. This episode we have a brief talk with Elizabeth and then discuss this landmark ruling and ask why no one up till now has funded and ran a similar case. Why are our MP's silent on child rape. Why has no one been prosecuted in our institutions for facilitating child rape and how does this case open the doors to other survivors to get compensation from their rapists.GB News exclusive by Charlie Peters https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gangs-survivor-secures-landmark-ps425000-legal-win-against-rapistRead or listen to Elizabeth's harrowing story, available in paperback, e-book or on Audible https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snatched-Trapped-Woman-Sold-Men/dp/0008503214/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1679936701&sr=8-1Follow and support Elizabeth on Twitterhttps://twitter.com/snatched1400?s=20Originally broadcast live 27.3.23 (apologies for Elizabeth's sound at the beginning of her chat)
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The Week According To . . . Caroline Farrow

Caroline Farrow is back with us as we discuss our way through the big stories this week in the news and across the media. Expect free thinking, free speech and plenty of opinion as Caroline let's us know what she really thinks about the topics this episode including.....- Migrants could be housed on old ferries as the government ends hotel stays.- Unelected PM Rishi Sunak bans media from Conservatives’ conference.- Hey Waterstones... stop pushing dangerous gender ideology at children!- #LetWomenSpeak: New Zealand tour explodes into violence as hard left men's rights activists show the world exactly who they are.- Violent male paedophile moved to Washington women’s prison.- Uproar as Kent Police is slammed for poster classifying rapes as non-emergency crimes.- Watershed moment in the trans debate, sparked by the landmark decision about female athletes.- Humza Yousaf commits to introducing abortion up to birth and sex-selective abortion in Scotland if he becomes the next First Minister.* CitizenGo Waterstones Petition https://citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/210382-waterstones-stop-pushing-dangerous-gender-ideology-childrenIn 2010, frustrated by many of the media headlines and negative coverage of Catholicism, Caroline began a blog in defence of Catholic teaching and to reflect on UK current affairs and world events through the lens of a Catholic woman. What began as nothing more than personal musings designed to explain and propose controversial ethics and life issues to those who had struggled with them, or to de-bunk misleading narratives and headlines, soon mushroomed and popular posts would receive more than 30,000 unique visitors a day. Between 2011 and 2017, she was a member of the organisation Catholic Voices, set up to promote the defence of Catholic teaching in the public square and made numerous media interventions on their behalf and quickly became the 'go to' voice for media organisations looking to represent a female conservative Catholic point of view. Since 2013 Caroline has writes a weekly column for the Catholic Universe and has written for and featured in a number of other publications such as the Catholic Herald, the National Catholic Register, the Conservative Woman, Mercatornet, Crisis Magazine, LifeSiteNews and Church Militant. She used to write on Catholic culture at the now defunct Spectator Arts blog and has been featured in the Daily Mail, the Observer and the New Statesman. In 2013, Caroline was included as part of the first cohort of the BBC's '100 women' and she regularly features on BBC News, Sky News, ITV's Good Morning Britain, BBC Sunday Morning Live, the Big Questions and has made multiple appearances on Radio 4's flagship Today programme, Woman's Hour, the Moral Maze and the Sunday programme as well as featuring in one-off documentaries. Caroline also presented the coverage for March for Life UK for EWTN and has contributed to News Nightly and Celtic Connections. She also frequently contributes to Talk Radio, LBC and BBC local radio as well as BBC Radio Ulster, discussing matters pertaining to Catholicism, feminism and the challenges of motherhood and family life. Caroline has an eclectic career background. She began her professional life as a student accountant for a big 5 firm before succumbing to a desire for travel and adventure and became a member of cabin crew working both long and short-haul routes for internationally acclaimed airlines. Having got the travel bug out of her system, she returned to work within investment banking and private equity in the City of London until her first child was born. Caroline is currently the campaign director at CitizenGO, has 5 children of school-age, four girls and one boy and is married to a Catholic priest who converted from Anglicanism, a few years after they were married.Follow and support Caroline at the following links...GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/cf_farrowTwitter: https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow?s=20&t=Je-7QgQaAve5NCKtELcYNgWebsite: https://www.carolinefarrow.netCitizenGo: https://citizengo.orgOriginally broadcast live 25.3.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] So without further ado, Caroline, thank you so much for coming back with us tonight.
Always a pleasure, always a pleasure, Peter.
Always good to have you. And we are not short of stories, as always.Let, actually, let me, let me just see if I can pull in.Do let me know where you're watching. I'll have the, certainly the GETTR page open for your comments in there.So do let us know where you're watching we'll get to see the international flavour of fuel jumping on. So let's start with the UK and we'll start with immigration. Very hot subject. The title here from the Telegraph is migrants could be housed on old ferries as Rishi Sunak ends hotel stays. People who arrive illegally on small boats will initially be moved into decent but rudimentary accommodation, government said to announce.[1:22] And there was one figure here, Rishi Sunak expected to declare as early as next week, the beginning of the end of asylum hotels which are currently being used to house more than 50,000 migrants at a cost of nearly seven million pounds a day. What are your thoughts on this story that those who come over illegally could be put on boats?
 
It just shows what a shambolic mess our, immigration system is in. I think it's appalling actually. I mean in some ways I'm sure[1:58] many people would say well it's a deterrent, it will make only those who really have no other choice than to come here, it will make people who are perhaps what they call economic migrants think twice, but it is clearly inhumane, you know, putting people on boats, you know, to live.And it just shows that we really need to have a rethink of our immigration policy, because clearly, the reason that they're going to, well, I say clearly, the reason that this policy has been mooted is because at the moment we're spending £7 million a day housing asylum seekers or refugees. And again, I want to be really careful because when we're talking about these groups of people, we are talking about human beings who do have human rights, who do have human dignity.You know these are these are people wanting to come to Britain to make a better life and I'm not going to slam anybody for wanting to to go to a country to seek a better life for themselves you know that that is you know an inherent an intrinsic human right but equally countries do have the rights to police their borders but we must make sure that we do it justly and fairly. Now if we've got so many people coming to this country that we cannot physically house them, that we have to put them on boats, then we need to have a balanced and grown-up discussion about immigration.[3:27] What our immigration policy should be. We can't clearly just say let's have open borders. It'd be lovely, wouldn't it? It'd be lovely to say everybody who wants to come here can come here and you're guaranteed a welcome and the British people are very tolerant and very hospitable, all of those things are true. It'd be lovely if we could do that, but we are a smallish island, and our infrastructure is already creaking at the seams. So whenever you talk about immigration and whenever you talk about people coming here on boats or people making their way illegally, and you express some concern, you get tarred as a racist or far-right bigot or compared to Hitler's Germany is the latest slur, but there is an issue here. When we have got people that we just don't have, we are spending seven million a day at a time when we are so overstretched economically, when our infrastructure is in chaos, and then we're saying, okay, well, we can't,[4:24] housing people in hotels is not sustainable at seven million a day, just, you know, either in terms of the cost or in terms of how much room we have, so we've got to, you know, put them on boats, then we we need to have some serious policy about numbers, who we can accommodate you know and have and have a procedure for allowing those people who can come here.Who have a legitimate reason to be here, who have ties with this country, and who want to build a new life for themselves and work. We need to facilitate that, but equally[4:58] we can't, much as it would be great to allow every single person to come in, we don't have the infrastructure to do that. And shoving people on boats, I think, is a cruel and inhumane policy. You wouldn't like to live on a boat. We're warned of the dangers of not dehumanising people, but actually when you start putting people on boats or in army barracks, that's exactly what it does. It treats people, not as people, but as a number and a problem. That's not a humane, and I'm a Christian obviously, and that's not a Christian way of dealing with it. So it's a very fraught issue but we need some sensible grown-ups to the table and I think both sides could do with dialling down the rhetoric. So expressing concern about this and saying, you know, okay, what are the numbers we can accommodate? It's not racist.[5:57] Equally, and it's not Nazi Germany either, but equally on the other side of the coin, being really really harsh and firm and calling people names and attacking people isn't the answer either and you know and I do think we we do have to do something to stop people from coming over on these inflatable dinghies and risking their lives you know and it's not good it's not good for political cohesion because it is you know we've seen riots outside hotels which is which is terrible which is not what we want to see and we don't condone you know and And the reason, certainly nobody can condone that, and it must be awful for those people who are inside the hotels when they are subject to those protests, you know, you've got to remember that there are human beings involved.But this is because of the resentment that is building, being built up by these policies, because I think I was reading in the Telegraph, the Red Wall constituencies up north, they are having like 16 times the amount of asylum seekers or refugees that are being housed in the South and the South East.And the other point I want to make, I mean this is a very personal one,[7:14] I'm very open about the fact that my two youngest children have special needs and right now we need to get primary school places for our children and they've been turned down from six local primary schools because there are no places because they're being taken up by Ukrainian children. Now I don't resent Ukrainian children a school place at all and one might argue, well, Caroline, you're middle class, you're educated, you know, it's not as important for your children to have a place as it is the Ukrainian children. And I might agree with you, I might not, but at the end of the day, not everybody's going to have that attitude and be in a position where they think, okay, I'm going to see what I can do to cobble together an education at home.But equally, what it means is you're having to put one child over another, you're having to prioritise children for school places.We've got a crisis in the NHS and there's a crisis in dentistry, so you're having to prioritise one person's need over another.[8:23] So we can't just continue to say, OK, everybody who wants to come here should be able to come here and that's fine, without, you know, some serious thought to the question.
No completely and we'll move on but a simple way of fixing it would actually be to, actually process the people probably within weeks and put them back where they came from if they do if they are able to go back but that would be common sense but that would seem to fix the issue.But anyway moving on let's just touch on this subject quickly because I want to go on some of of the others. But I find this interesting and this is Rishi Sunak bans media from Conservative Spring Conference. Press and public barred from attending with party, claiming it is an internal event closed to media. And I know I've been to many UKIP conferences, Caroline I'm sure you've been as citizen go to different political conferences and it is quite essential I think part of the democratic process to for the meditative access to these political conferences.
Yeah, I don't think we should gloss over this actually. I think this shows we have a need for a new political settlement. This is almost like something out of Putin's Russia.[9:39] You know, the Conservative Party are, you know, years ago, the Conservative Party have always had amongst, I suppose, politics always been tribal, and the Tory Party have always had a reputation of being the elites and very divorced from the working class. They're not helping themselves with this. In the 80s, Thatcher's Tories were all about, oh yeah, you know, Basildon Man, Wolverhampton Man, you know. I mean, we're in touch with the working man and we're in touch with the working people and we want to help people make better lives for themselves. This just screams we are the elite, we are the elite, we are you know this is this is a party who,[10:23] by the looks of things, are not going to win the next general election, or they might, and this is really unfortunate actually, because the Tory party might win the next general election on the issue of gender ideology, and because Tories can say what is a woman, the Tories are also doing the right thing on sex education lessons, they're not doing enough, we need, I might get onto that later, but we need the review of sex education in classes to be independent. We can't have the Department for Education doing the review or the inquiry because they've been captured for so many years and useless for so many years, you know, they've been captured by Stonewall. But so the Tories are doing the right thing on gender ideology and they're doing the right thing on relationships and sex education, well they're kind of on their way to doing the right thing, whereas Keir Starmer can't even make up his mind what a woman is or what his stance is, and he can see what's happened to Nicola Sturgeon.But actually, the Tories don't deserve to get in. They're going to use this gender ideology and what they've done to suck up some Labour votes, but they don't actually deserve to get in.[11:35] Particularly if they're going to have their conference and they're going to shut off, media and the public and it just smacks of we are the elites and we are deciding, we're in government, we don't actually care about whether or not we get in next time or we're just so complacent we think we're going to get in. And the jargon they're using is like real left-wing Marx, you know, this is a training event, I mean for goodness sake, a training event, when has a conference been an internal training event? Yeah, it smacks of elitism, it's quite.It smacks of authoritarianism as well, you know, Soviet era, you know, group of people over there.No, I think it's very worrying and it speaks of a need, I think, for a new political settlement or a new political party to be more transparent and more in touch. You know, we're just, oh, I'm sick of politicians.
 
Oh, so am I. So let's move from this story, Let's move on to the work that you're doing in CitizenGo.[12:42] This is Waterstone Stop Pushing Dangerous Gender Ideology at Children, one of your campaigns.And the viewers can see that Waterstone, so yeah, Waterstone's UK's leading high street book retailer has shortlisted the book entitled My Trans Teen Misadventure by Lewis Hancock, a transgender identified female for its prestigious children's book prize due to be awarded 30th of March and this is aimed at 14 year olds. It's unbelievable that Waterstones would be pushing a book like this for their children's book prize and it's wonderful to see obviously the support to this petition has gained but tell us about this campaign Caroline.
 
Well okay it's not actually the first time Waterstones have done this so just before I started Citizen Go in 2019, they had another book that was about a boy who wanted to be a mermaid, and that was written by an LGBT. I think he might have been a transgender identified man, I'm not entirely sure, but certainly someone who identified as a member of the LGBT community and It was all about this boy who wants to be a mermaid and a drag queen and they nominated that as well.[13:59] And I think clearly the head of children's is obviously fully on board the woke gender train.Now the reason that this book caught my attention is because it actually has an adult advisory, on the back. So it's been nominated for a children's prize but with an adult warning advisory on the back. And I don't know if you've been into Waterstones but they have their book of their weeks, they have their promos. And being nominated for this book is, for this award is a real honour. It's really prestigious, it's going to make your book sales rocket and it's going to make your profile rocket. Now Waterstones are a high, as you know though, the UK's leading bookseller. They're really trusted, you know, sometimes you want something to read and you go[14:50] into Waterstones and you see what they're recommending and you're like, oh right, okay, I'll have a look. Now these books are being placed on tables where there's a high footfall of children and adolescents as well, so but in that kind of child and adolescence area and you'll see on the table, we recommend this book. Now the thing is, as you know I've got many children, I know exactly what they're like and they will be attracted to a book and they won't see, oh, that's for older readers.So this book has a cartoon on the front. Welcome to Hell, My Trans Teen Misadventure.It's the sort of thing that my 8-year-old son might pick up, because it looks like Horrid Henry or something. Do you know what?It appeals to a younger demographic.He would pick it up, and he wouldn't look at the warning on the back.And then he flicks through, and he sees these cartoons. Now, all children love cartoons.My children are no different. They like the Beano.They like Bunny and Monkey and Dogman. And all children like cartoons.And that's fine. And Waterstones sell these nice cartoon books.So he would see that, or my 10-year-old daughter might see this, and they'd flick through it.[15:59] Then you've got that picture, which I've got illustrating the petition, which is basically the author of this book is projecting her own experience as a woman who wanted to be a man when she was an adolescent.And it's just encouraging teenage girls to just self-hate on their bodies.So breasts are two fatty lumps that need to be gone.[16:23] There's stuff about hairy legs, you know, and then it's, you know, it points to her pubic area and it says, don't go there, an imaginary willy.I mean, no, it's just validating every single hitch from hell.Teen girls, almost every teen girl has some neurosis or anxiety about her body, that's entirely and 100% natural. This book is sowing the seeds of self-doubt, of hatred, and it's validating that and it's saying, oh, the female body is disgusting and something not to be liked.[16:57] And, you know, there's no way that just a 14-year-old would read that. Probably actually, many savvy 14-year-olds would go, oh, that's a comic book.I'm well beyond. They might actually turn their noses up at it because it looks maybe a little bit too babyish.So it is clearly designed to appeal to a younger demographic.But even if you were 14 and older, it's validating teen girls' anxieties about their body.But worse still, Waterstones then came out with, oh, this is one page out of context.No, there's another cartoon where it shows a girl being injected with either puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones.And she was going, yeah, yeah, just in time for uni.So it's kind of telling girls, oh, my goodness, you've got to get this done before you go to uni.And then you have the nurse. She's learning something from the experience.And then they mentioned Keira Bell, the detransitioner. And they were saying, oh, yeah, there was this girl.And she really regretted it.And she took them to court and made it much harder for everyone.But fine, it's all been sorted out now. And you can get puberty blockers.[18:08] And this other girl who has a beard and is now allegedly a man says, oh, yeah, this was the best thing I ever did. That's not a balanced discussion at all.That's just pushing gender transition at children. And when we see countries around the world putting the brakes on and saying, actually, there isn't the evidence to show that this is safe.We're quite concerned about the long-term health effects, you know, effects on bone density, on brain development, you know, all those things.As puberty is a time when your body is laying down the foundations for the rest of your life.[18:42] It's a completely natural process and sort of stopping with it has never ever been done before in human history and you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, is the phrase. But certainly there are a lot of concerns, long-term health concerns about puberty blockers. We're seeing young girls now with osteoporosis and arthritis, you know, and you take testosterone as a woman and it's It's very difficult to come back from that.But there's no balanced discussion. It's just propaganda.And what gets me about this, if this was like Asterix, for example, another great cartoon book. So in great literature, it's not cartoons.This is not a book that would be read in a classroom. It wouldn't be studied for GCSE literature.It has absolutely no literary merit whatsoever.Fine, of course, Waterstones are going to sell cartoon books because they sell and they're fine.And we have a phrase in our house, donut books.So certain authors and certain books, they're allowed to, you know, my kids are allowed to read them.Of course they are, but it's like a donut. You know, you don't have too much of it.So David Walliams being one of those, yeah, don't get me started.[19:59] But you know, that's, so the cartoon books are like the donut books.They're not the books that you would study all the time.And certainly, you know, not really about, and yet Waterstones have thought this worthwhile to put on a children's prestigious literature award.[20:20] I suppose Harry Potter came out too late, but you know, everyone would have sneered at Harry Potter, but, and they did, when Harry Potter came out, everybody sneered at it.Oh, it's not great literature, blah, blah, blah. you know, Harry Potter should be on there or, you know, it's not the magician's nephew, is it?[20:37] It's not C.S. Lewis. It's just a very crude cartoon book pushing gender ideology. And actually[20:46]i've been blown away by the success of this petition. This has been the most successful petition I've run, I think, in the past year, you know, and the numbers just exploded. And yeah, I'm going to keep plugging it and we are going to do some offline. What I would like to do is get a decent children's book and see if I can get a decent children's book into schools and libraries because this is a problem. Once this book goes on this list, then schools go, oh yes, it must be very good, mustn't it? Waterstones say, and same with libraries. So actually, I think there's a case for countering their propaganda with some betterpropaganda. And the other thing, actually, sort of, Peter, while I'm on Waterstones, the other thing is that they appear to have been suppressing two books, one by Helen Joyce called Trans and the other by Hannah Barnes called Time to Watch or Time to Wait. And it's an investigation of the Tavistock gender identity clinic. And lots of people have been going into Waterstones and asking for copies of these books and finding that Waterstones staff have basically hid them out back.And that, you know, they can't get them. I went into Waterstones in Godalming and asked for them.[22:12] You know, and yeah, no, I don't have any of those. No, you'll have to order them. And certainly some of the more woke stores in London, there's been reports of staff hiding them away. So yeah, Actually, Waterstones, you are a leading high street retailer and you enjoy a lot of customer trust.[22:38] Let me, the viewers and listeners can go to citizengo.org and go and have a look at those petitions. Sign it, but also put it on your social media profile, send it on to others.Don't only you go and click on sign up, but make others aware of it as well.And then you'll be passing the word and raising the concern of this and also introduce some people to Citizen Go. So go and do that.When you finish watching this, have a click on it and make use of that.Now, let's go and look at Down Under, New Zealand.Can you call New Zealand Down Under? I think you can. I don't know.I don't want to get into that argument between Aussies and the Kiwis, but UK trans critic, Kelly J Keane, there are a whole load of issues I have even just with the headline, but anyway.[23:30] UK trans critic Kelly J Keane or Posie Parker is doused in tomato sauce and evacuated by cops before she can speak during the latest rally in New Zealand as she considers cancelling the rest of her tour. And the little bullet points here are Kelly J. Keen was doused with tomato juice, said she fears for her life, fears for life in inverted commas, meaning that I don't know why they're trying to take away from that, or and then transphobe may cancel the rest of her tour, again inverted commas, the Daily Mail calling someone who stands up for the rights of women to be women a transphobe, and then puts in men in Nazi clothing also join protests, again the Daily Mail linking her with that which is complete nonsense. But obviously people can go on to Posey's Twitter account can see the violence which she has faced.[24:27] Talk to us about this, Caroline, and I know you've, I think I saw a tweet from you back 2020 when you were voicing support of Posie Parker and what she is trying to do, to stand up for women and to say that men have no right in those spaces and a woman is a woman, full stop. But tell us about this.[24:49] Well, I mean, Posie's been, or Kelly, Kelly J, has been working since sort of 2017, 2018, which was when I first met her. But yeah, she did a, so she does these events around the country called Let Women Speak. Now, these events are amazing, they empower other women. So it's an open mic event, it's a bit like some speaker's corner. So she goes and she, it's not her preaching at people, she allows women to go and take the microphone and tell their story. Now, Posey does not discriminate at all. If you're a woman and you want to have the mic, she doesn't pre-screen you, she doesn't say what are your views on this, that and the other. If you want to talk about female emancipation, well it's not even emancipation, but if you want to talk about your story about why you think men shouldn't be allowed in changing rooms or your daughter's been getting changed in Primark and she's had some man come in, she's all about, or you're a victim of of domestic violence and whatever it might be.She's all about empowering women to tell their stories. And she doesn't tell you what story you should tell.This is about helping women to find a voice.[26:04] And now, of course, a lot of people don't like that because let women speak.They don't want women speaking. And they say it's terribly transphobic.Well, I don't actually know.The first time I was called a transphobe.[26:19] I remember it was in 2011 and I just laughed, I thought this is a made-up word.[26:25] What are you talking about, a transphobe? and it is a made-up word and basically anybody who, stands up for the rights of women to have single-sex spaces and to have single-sex associations gets called a transphobe because you know men who identify as women want to be in our spaces and want to be in our groups because it gives them validation. Yeah, I'm a real woman, I'm using your spaces, I'm in your clubs, you know, it gives them the validation that they want and they need and they require, but at a massive cost to women. So it comes at a cost to religious women.[27:04] You know, particularly Jews and Muslims who, you know, aren't allowed to share those spaces, so it drives religious women out of public life. And it comes at a cost to rape victims or domestic abuse victims, people who've had a really bad experience with male violence, with rape, and they just are very, very traumatized by men and they just don't want men in their spaces.Or just normal, I say normal, but just ordinary women and girls who don't have a history of trauma but just feel very, very uncomfortable.And we're just told, no, no, no. You should accept men in your spaces.You should accept men in your sports. I remember a few years ago doing a radio interview.And I was talking about the fact that my, I think she was about 13 then.My 13-year-old daughter had been made to feel very uncomfortable because she was getting fitted for a bra. and there was men milling about.And somebody said to me, well, what have you done, Caroline, to make your daughter hate men.[28:13] It's like, no, I don't. This isn't about hatred. This is about girls' natural boundaries.And you ask any parent of any ordinary, well-adjusted teenager, when they're little, yes, they will toddle around the house with no clothes or very inhibited.And then they hit sort of 10, and the bathroom door shuts.And they start finding their own privacy, their own boundaries.And they're drawing up their boundaries. And you have to respect that.We all have our own boundaries.But actually, what we are being told is, you must be kind.You must be kind. You must be nice. And you must let your guard down.So if you're getting changed in the gym and you're getting naked, and there's a woman in there with a penis, it's your fault if you've got an issue with that.[29:01] So Posie is just, actually, Posie's just a normal wife and a mom.And Posie's been in the very fortunate position that she was a stay-at-home mom.She didn't have to work. And she got very, and she's always counted herself, actually.This is why it's really strange that she gets called right wing.She always countered herself as a lefty. She was always like, yeah, I'm a left wing woman. I'm a lefty atheist.Again, she gets pilloried because she associates with the likes of me, who doesn't agree with abortions.They're like, I mean, these, and you get this as well. even from the left-wing feminists, trying to tell her, trying to police who she should and should not be friends with, who she should and should not associate with.You know, everybody's sort of trying to tell, take Posie's autonomy from her, tell her, you know, oh, if you want to be a good little feminist, this is what you should do. And Posie, you know,[29:58] Is a marketing genius and all power to her. She's gone out there and she's got the message out there and of course, you know when you're on target because you're getting a lot of flack. So Posie has got a load of flack from the left-wing feminists who've been tarring her as a right-wing Nazi bigot and then of course that's been picked up by the trans activists. literally she's She's been in the position of just, because she didn't have to work, and she got drawn into this debate.But she's put her heart and soul into this. And just being able to put, she thought of putting woman, adult, human, female on billboards and on the t-shirts.And she's gone global. And good luck to her. And I'm not convinced, actually.So in Australia, what happened was she went to Australia, a bunch of neo-Nazis turned up and they were doing Hitler salutes.Now, I'm not sure, I don't know, but I almost wonder if this could be an Antifa...[31:09] Because who does that in this day and age? Who does that? I mean, I didn't even know that that was a thing. People going out, goose-stepping. I shouldn't laugh because the Nazi salute is not funny, it's heinous, it's traumatic and what it's associated with. But this is not, and normally, I mean I don't know, I don't associate, contrary to popular belief, I don't know anyone who identifies as hard right or far right. I don't know any neo-nazis or any fascists.But I kind of think, don't these sorts of people stay in the shadows? Because they know that their beliefs aren't mainstream and aren't going to be accepted. I mean, who does that? It goes out like...[31:59] But Caroline, do you not see it out when your local Sainsbury's or Tesco's and suddenly see 20 Nazis all lined up? Oh no, none of us ever see that. So you're right. The only way I can understand is that its staged , that's the only way it makes sense.
It's just so bizarre. And so she got all the flack, you know, for them turning up and she should have, apparently she should have immediately told them to go away.Right, okay, so Posie's five foot one.[32:26] You may have, she's a diminutive. I'm sure she won't mind me saying this.Potted Posie, no, she's a small lady.I'm not tall and she's sort of way below me. You know, so this diminutive little lady has to see a bunch of Nazis doing like a Basil Fawlty salute and tell them to go away. I don't think so. And it wasn't, whoever they were and whatever their motivation, I mean, far right people aren't going to support feminists anyway. They're not aligned with feminists. They have a very misogynistic outlook on life. And I think they were, if they were genuine far-right people, then they were obviously just leveraging, I think what the far-right are trying to do is leverage some of these issues that, you know, conservatives are concerned about, in order to maybe try and legitimize themselves and to try and get conservative support.But, but I'm, yeah, I'm very doubtful that they were genuine because it's,[33:31] As you say, it just doesn't ring true. I mean, who would be saluting to Hitler and why, you know?
It's play acting.
And one thing, if I can say, that I have admired Posie from afar.We were accused, or she was accused of being part of us, I think, because some of our team went to film an event down in Brighton.I think I have bumped into Posie once and talked to her for maybe 40 seconds.This was years ago, she probably had no idea who I was, and we went to film that thing in Brighton, the stand-up for women, and it was a public park, so we filmed, and suddenly the story is, and it's unbelievable, but yeah, I don't know Posie, Posie doesn't know me, good luck to her, we wish her the best from afar, but it's obviously these, the media, both kind of on the left and and then in the far right, they all try and paint a certain picture that isn't true, just to target their...[34:32] Yeah, and I think what's happened is very frightening to her. It must have been really frightening.Some of the pictures, people with their hands sort of on her throat. It turns out, I think it was security trying to get her away.And she said, you know, if I'd fallen over, I didn't think I was going to get up.And just the sheer naked aggression. And what was she doing, right? What was she doing?She was just saying, women can have a voice, women can speak.We don't want men in our changing rooms. We don't want men in our sports.And of course, we've had a good result with Athletics Federation yesterday as well.I think the tide is, I've said this for years, the tide is beginning to turn.But actually, it feels that there is being a significant shift.But it's awful for her, actually. Awful. and awful for the women of New Zealand to live in.
But we'll move on, but just one thing to leave the viewers is the first line, the first sentence, it gives the headlines and then it starts off in the article.This is the Daily Mail. The first word they use in the article is controversial, anti-trans.[35:43] It's controversial standing up for women's rights, women's only spaces?The Daily Mail have lost the plot. If any of you think actually the Daily Mail are on the side of common sense, that is utter nonsense. They're not. They're on the side of whatever is a good story for them and sells papers.
 
And actually you have to ask as well, when people say transphobe, like you know, they say, what do you mean? I'm not irrationally scared or whatever. You know,[36:08] what rights do you, does the transgender, transsexual community not have that they want?And I guess their answer is, we want everyone to accept that we are women, that we are the sex that we say we are.Now there is an argument, yeah, okay, I'm sure at work, people can use your new name and they can maybe use your new pronoun and people can treat you with dignity and respect.But there needs to be a balancing exercise in terms of common sense.And when somebody is being made to feel like they can't go to the loo all day at work because they feel very uncomfortable, then there needs to be sensible accommodation made.And it shouldn't be a case of, you know, the woman who's feeling uncomfortable because she's got a man in her changing room or whatever, it shouldn't be her that's made, you know, to feel uncomfortable.There needs to be, and none of the activists, a very sensible solution would be, well, let's have a third space, okay?Let's have men, let's have women, and let's have a third gender neutral.But the activists don't want that.[37:27] No, they will not stop. That is the frightening thing. Let's look, because this is one of the outcomes. We've got five minutes to spare, we'll do another four. We've touched on this, and again, sometimes you end up repeating the same stories, but just with different characters in different locations. And this is the worst one yet. Violent male pedophile moved to Washington Women's Prison, And there were some, yeah, here's the figure.So, Jolene Karisma Starr, born Joel Thomas Nicholas, is the latest male transfer to the Washington Correction Center for Women, which currently has approximately one dozen male inmates being housed in the facility.Just there, I can see the problem. A dozen male inmates in a woman's prison.But, Caroline, we see this regularly, probably every other week, another story of different parts of the world where a man, often who has been charged with rape or sexual assault of a woman, ends up with a group of women.There is no way you can describe[38:43] the suffering that then continues and the position that you put women in, putting a man who's doing that in a woman's prison.
Yeah, and it's not just the other female, I say other female, it's not just the female inmates that that person is terrorizing, it's also the female prison guards because they have to do intimate searches and all sorts.And so you're not just putting, and of course, every woman, regardless of whether or not she's an inmate, deserves dignity, respect and safety, but it's not just the inmates that are being put at risk, it's also the female prison staff.And the other thing you have to remember that is in women's prisons, most women who are in prison are not there for violent crime.[39:31] Female offending has a very different face to it to male offending. Now I know that there are women in prison for violent crime but I think the proportion, I think it's something like 75 percent, there's a very good website, Keep Prisons Single Sex, and I think it's something like over 75 percent of women who are in prison are not there for, it's for non-violent crime.[39:57] So you've got a very vulnerable demographic as well because most women in prison are disproportionately affected by domestic violence or they've had difficult lives, which is why they have ended up in prison.And we did another campaign this month, you may have seen, for Barbie Kardashian, a very violent 21-year-old who I can't repeat the things that he said about what he wants to do with his mother.He's threatened to rape, torture, and murder his mother. He's got a history of violent assault.He tried to kill a female social worker who was looking after him.And of course, Irish media, you're not allowed to talk about him in Irish media.They got an injunction out.And there's an Irish outlet called Gripped, who'd published a very detailed and telling history.And even though Barbie Kardashian, I mean, even the name just shows, tells you what he thinks of women.I can't remember what his real name is, but everyone knows him as Barbie Kardashian.[41:05] I think it's Alexandro something or other. I think it's Alexandro Gentile.But yeah, he's now known as Barbie, And he's this very, very violentprisoner, when he was jailed the guard I said, we're very worried, he still poses a significant threat to public safety and to women's safety and he's been jailed in women's, in Limerick[41:28] Prison. And when you look at his life, he's had a terrible life. He was brought up with abusive parents and his father co-opted him into domestic abuse of his mother and he's clearly very disturbed, very violent, very dangerous.So yes, you can have a slight bit of sympathy for a very disordered mindset.But it's not safe to put a man like that in close proximity with women who've already, you know, if you're a woman in prison, then you've had, most of the time, you've had a very hard life.[42:05] I'm not going to say that women should never be in prison or anything like that.But you have to accept that you're dealing with a very vulnerable demographic and they're being put at risk and so are the female prison guards. It has to stop. And in fact, if you haven't signed a Barbie Kardashian petition on Citizen Go, please do so. Because actually, every single day that goes past and these men are in our prisons, what's going to happen? What's going to have to happen before people realise the folly of this?
Let's just bring up this tweet.We'll see how much you want to admit. This is Graham Linehan.And some good news, at Flying Lawyer 73 has lost another case and owes his latest victim legal fees of £15,000.I believe now he owes between 80 and 100 grand to solicitors from a series of failed cases.Again, why is he allowed to continue doing this?Now you probably have an idea what this is about, but when people can spend this amount of money on nonsense through the legal system.[43:14] It makes you kind of wonder, well, where are our tax money going? Are they paying for it themselves?So, do you want to touch on this before we move on?
Briefly. So, Flying Lawyer 73 is Stephanie Hayden. Stephanie Hayden is the transgender-identified male who was responsible for my arrest in October, and he's also been responsible for the arrest of two other women. Kate Scottow, who was arrested, she was a breastfeeding mother, she was arrested in front of her autistic children, and I was arrested in front of my autistic children, and Bronwyn Dickinson, another woman, he got arrested. What Stephanie Hayden does, so Stephanie Hayden is a transgender identified activist who in 2018 came to prominence.[43:59] Basically trying to do a version of lawfare, so would go around trying to get people cancelled, he got people kicked out of their university positions.He tried to sue Mumsnet. It just made an absolute nuisance of himself.And he said, oh, I'm standing up for transgender rights.Now, anytime anybody says anything about Stephanie Hayden that Stephanie Hayden doesn't like, he reports them to the police and he sues them.And he claims when he reports them to the police, he trumps up the charges.So he told the police that I had posted memes about him on a forum. I hadn't.But the police were stupid enough to go, oh, gosh, that's terrible, isn't it?And came and seized my devices looking for evidence. They still haven't found it because I didn't do it.So he uses his transgender status as leverage with the police and gets the police to act as his personal militia. The police forces aren't joined up. So Surrey policewere quite surprised when I told them, you know he's had two other women arrested for this.Were like, well Caroline, save it for interview. She said, all right, save that for interview.[45:08] So it's not joined up and what Stephanie Hayden does is a two-pronged approach. So he'll try and have you arrested. He had the police called out to Graham Linehan as well and he will then sue you. He's suing me for the third time.And he sues you because he doesn't have a, to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have a job.He calls himself a lawyer, but he's not a regulated or qualified or insured barrister, solicitor or legal executive.So he's eligible for the help with fees scheme, which is for people on low income or on certain benefits.So he will take out a claim against you in the high court and he's exempt from court fees.So if you sue somebody, it's typically about 5% of the claim and he sues for unlimited amounts.So he is about a 5,000 pound court fee. And that's in place to act as a barrier to stop vexatious claims. Stephanie does not have that barrier.And because Stephanie has a law degree, they then act as a litigant in person, which they appear to enjoy very much because they go to court and they start calling Barrister as malignant friend and everyone else just cringes and dies with embarrassment for them, honestly.[46:28] So and prior to suing, he's suing my boss at the moment. My boss said, oh, I've made it.You're not anybody in the UK. You're not doing effective work, unless you're, no, joke.He'll probably be transcribing this and saying, oh, they deliberately.So he's suing me for the third time. and he says, oh, you know, she's forcing me to sue her.[46:51] Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's bringing his claim, you know, she's forced me to do this.And so he forces, you rack up a lot of legal fees defending yourself because most people, you know, can't defend themselves in the high court, and it's all about[47:07] do you know the procedure? Anyone who's been through a court case knows it's not necessarily about evidence or rights and wrongs. It's do you know the procedure? And Stephanie Hayden clearly does. And yeah, and his behaviour in litigation, but before, it's quite bad as well.Oh goodness, it's quite shocking. But before he sued all these gender critical people, he was at Birkbeck University studying for law degrees, a mature student, and he sued, you just don't want this bloke in your orbit, because he sued all his fellow students as well and he sued the Students' Union because there was some argument about internal politics, he sued his landlady, he sued his, you know, and he has a history as well as he, if he doesn't pay his rent, then, you know, they obviously then take him to court for the unpaid rent and he sues them back for harassment. So amongst his former claimants are two landlords.And it's just really frustrating because he can just keep going to the court, filing another claim.[48:17] A master, you know, an admin judge will just briefly look at it and just check that it's procedurally right and they stamp it. And this is then, you know, taxpayers' monies, both in terms of the court fees and in terms of court time that's being wasted on these frivolous pursuits. So he sued an organisation called the Family Education Trust because they had retweeted somebody and made a comment which he thought could be about him and it was to do with vexatious litigants wasting money. So they retweeted something, it was up for less than an hour and he sued them for defamation and the court, the judges dismissed it and said that the the claim was fanciful, was devoid of reality and hopeless and he has to pay their legal costs.But he already owes various other people, including Associated Newspapers, who reported on when he got another woman arrested, they reported on the fact that he'd got another woman arrested, and he said, oh, it's defamation and harassment, sued them, lost that one, and he owes them like 30,000. So he owes, you know, for most people, if you owed that amount of money, you wouldn't sleep.[49:32] So I think there's a real issue here. I mean, this isn't just about my particular issues or my vendetta, but there's a real issue with the system that somebody can exploit the court system[49:47] in this fashion and when you can't get legal aid, you know, people are scrabbling for legal aid, and yet, you know, the system wasn't set up or clearly it never envisaged the help with fee schemes that it could be abused in this way. What it's done about it, I don't know, And presumably Peter, all of this, for somebody who really despises me, so Stephanie Hayden[50:13] every time I'm on any media outlet, every time I've been on GB News, he's made a complaint to Ofcom. For somebody who says he's so harassed by me and he's terrified and me saying things, you know, me just telling the truth that this is...[50:27] a dodgy character, puts him at risk of violence and what have you. For someone who claims that I'm harassing him, he follows my every online and mainstream media move. Yeah, so I know that this will probably be played back in court or to the police and I'm not saying it to cause any alarm or distress. I think this is actually a public interest issue, particularly when it's somebody trying to make themselves a media figure. So, you know, yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's public interest and I think something needs to be done. So, yeah, there we are with that one.
Yeah. Well, let's finish with this story, which is a good story. This is in the Telegraph.The week has turned in the gender war. There's been a watershed moment in the trans debate sparked with a landmark decision about female athletes, which you mentioned earlier, Caroline, and that's the World Athletics Council, which have ruled that only those born as women can compete in[51:36] women's sports, which did seem quite common sense to most of us, but yeah, they have ruled that common sense will prevail. So it is a positive story, and I think the article talks about that this could actually spread into other areas and bring that, I guess, sense of common sense to the debate in other parts of society?
 
Yeah, I hope so. And, you know, I think.[52:04] what's been really, this has been quite a grassroots movement right from the start, you know, like we talked about Posie Parker.[52:14] But we can see there a picture of Sharron Davies. And it's just really gratifying that we've had JK Rowling and Sharron Davies.And some of these really big names speak out because someone like me, someone like Posie, we get called right wing bigots, transphobes.[52:37] But you see someone like Sharron Davies, who she feels really or Sharron Davies, isn't it?Sorry, I called her Davies. She feels very strongly about this because she was cheated out of a gold medal her entire career because of women on testosterone, these German athletes who were doped up.So she feels very strongly about fair play for women in sports.And it's very hard to portray Sharron as being a conservative bigot, for want of a better word, or for being right wing.And I think it's incremental.This was always going to be death by 1,000 cuts, because gender ideology had got so big.And it had got captured into every area of society. We said earlier, we've seen it in education.We've seen it very chillingly, as I know and Harry Miller saw and various other people have experienced.We've seen it embedded into the police service.[53:45] We've seen it embedded into every element of society.[53:52] So as a telegraph sort of op-ed made clear, it was either we kind of go along with this and we say, you know, people like Caroline, people like Posie are, you know, outrageous bigots, or actually, you know, we push back, you know, it didn't even say we pushed back, but we had a choice to be made.And I think, finally, we deviated off down the path of madness.And slowly, I think we're coming back. And I think the pendulum is swinging.And I don't, there's always a danger, isn't it? The pendulum goes.I think what we had was, we had the laws of 1957, when homosexuality was criminalized.And we've swung all the way from there, where being gay would get you locked up, and again,[54:48] that was low-hanging fruit. It was much easier for the police to arrest somebody who was cottaging in the public loo. Now, that is an offence to public decency, but it's much easier to get someone doing that than the serious criminals, whereas these days it's much easier to get someone saying the wrong thing online. So we've gone from a position where people were unjustly repressed. For someone who's often called a homophobe, I feel very strongly about the decriminalisation of homosexuality. I believe that it's a private act of morality and what you do in your bedroom, as long as it's, you know, the usual caveats with consenting adult, and doesn't involve children or animals, that's your affair.What you want to get up to in your bedroom is your affair. And as a tolerant liberal, I have no interest in telling people what they should be doing in their bedrooms.Even as an Orthodox Christian, I don't have care of souls. It's not for me to bring people to Jesus by telling them what they should do in bed.So I feel very strongly that homosexuality shouldn't be criminalized.But we've gone from a position where, because we had a section of society who were unjustly repressed, the pendulum has swung all the way over there,[56:16] to the other side. And people have sort of reacted so strongly to the oppression.It's the same with critical race theory as well, in that we've still been acting in 2022, like we're a deeply homophobic or a deeply racist society.And we're not. I think there has been,[56:36] I would say, at least for the last 20, 30 years, there has been a lot more tolerance.And rightly so, people shouldn't be persecuted.But there's still this feeling, oh, there's this terrible persecution.So we have to flood children with all kinds of propaganda and tell them how to wash after sex.And it's kind of been part and parcel of sexual liberalism as a movement, sexual progressivism, sexual libertinism. So we've gone from repression to libertinism and I think we need to sort of[57:12] move somewhere back near to the middle. And you know, I said this on my Twitter feed and I mean it, I think it's been really hard for, there have been very many sensible lesbians and gays out there that have been calling out their own community and that's been, that's courageous really actually to say, hang on a minute, I didn't sign up for this. I didn't sign up for people claiming to be a different sex. I didn't sign up for the grooming of children. You know, this doesn't help. This isn't, you know, this kind of drag queens into primary schools perpetuates every single negative stereotype that they've been trying to counter for years and years. So I'm hoping that it will, I think we're beginning to see a correction, but nobody can sit on their laurels, you know, and certainly as New Zealand shows, there are still countries,[58:11] New Zealand, Australia, America and parts of America still deeply enthralled to this nonsense and we need to really have a think about, you know, we need this independent investigation into sex ed in schools. So, yeah.
 
Well, let's see if a so-called Conservative government actually get around to doing that, but there's a whole other discussion. Caroline, as always, thank you so much for joining us and giving us your thoughts on those stories.
 
Oh, always a pleasure. Thanks so much for having me, Peter.
 
Not at all, and I encourage our viewers and listeners to go and make use of citizengo.org and do look at those petitions, do sign them and do pass them on to your friends and encourage them to do the same.And I think on that, I wish everyone watching a wonderful rest of your Saturday. Have a great Sunday.And we'll be with you on Monday evening for a special that something that we've been working on for the last two years behind the scenes.And I'm so excited that we can finally discuss it.[59:15] And that is tune in Monday 8 p.m. And we'll talk about it then.So look forward to seeing you then 8pm UK or 3pm Eastern or noontime if you're over in the Pacific on the West Coast. So we'll see you on Monday. Thank you so much and good night to you all.

Laura Sextro - Uniting Efforts and Amplifying Voices to Secure our Medical Freedoms and Parental Rights

Laura Sextro is the CEO of The Unity Project which is one of the great connectors in the US and I had the privilege of meeting her at a conference in the US last month. Although they are based in California, the reach of The Unity Project is nationwide. How they have networked and built partnerships should be a roadmap for any organisation that seeks to promote truth and freedom. Their focus has been on uniting efforts and amplifying voices to secure medical freedoms and parental rights. Laura joins Hearts of Oak to discuss how The Unity Project has grown and how the issues of medical freedom and parental rights overlap in so many ways. Through Laura's regular podcasts with focus on legislation, she seeks to educate the public and empower them to make a difference.Join us this episode and be inspired.Laura Sextro is the Chief Executive Officer of The Unity Project, including senior roles with purpose-driven organisations that include Bennufit Health, Ambry Genetics and more.Her diverse experience in multiple industries including healthcare, bioinformatics, data analytics, non profit, real estate and technology has given her the opportunity to experience many different business models. She has been responsible for managing budgets of varying sizes up to $300 million in organisations ranging from small business to Fortune 500.Laura is an active member of many volunteer organisations, presently working with the American Red Cross amongst others.She has a background in public speaking as a key note speaker and is a former contributor to the Forbes Business Council.Laura earnt her bachelors degree in business management from the University of La Verne.The Unity Project are parents, doctors, first responders, teachers and concerned citizens who have found themselves at a crossroad. They see their freedoms being stripped away, and can no longer stay silent.Standing up for the basic human right to raise their own children, earn a living, and make their own medical decisions without the tyrannical overreach that has been forced upon the people in California, across the US and around the world.The Unity Project amplifies the voices moving the needle, bringing forth truth, and providing education and resources with tangible tools and expert insights.United in a thundering voice with an imperative mission that cannot, and will not, be ignored.Connect with Laura and The Unity Project.....Website: https://www.theunityproject.org/Substack: https://theunityproject.substack.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/unityprojectUSAGETTR: https://gettr.com/user/TheUnityProjectTruth: https://truthsocial.com/@theunityprojectonlineRumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-1310104Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/5ejDMJyCgeVQkOXc3MZ458?si=wpEbCUBbR6GxTaUsxF9-OQ&nd=1Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theunityprojectonlineTelegram: https://t.me/unityprojectofficialInterview recorded 20.3.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview, coming up with Laura Sextro, CEO of the Unity Project. And I had the privilege of meeting Laura back last month at a conference in Miami. It was actually Dr. Robert Malone connected us, and he is on their board on their advisory team, I think their chief medical counsel, and anyone who has any organization that has Dr. Robert Malone involved in them as well, we're speaking to. So we had a great conversation looking at their, I guess, their focus on medical freedoms and parental rights, how they've grown from being California-based to across the whole country, and how they're one of the great networkers that we so need. We need to connect voices, we need to amplify that, we need people to know they're not alone, and for organizations to know there are others standing shoulder to shoulder with them. And the Unity Project specifically has done this so, so successfully. Not only do they have the podcast, not only have the news items, not only are they focused on legislation, but actually it's that connecting which makes them so important and so vital. So we go into all of that and I know you will enjoy listening to Laura as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
Laura Sextro, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
Thank you for having me.[1:45] Absolutely wonderful to have you and theunityproject.org, there is the website.You're the CEO of the Unity Project, which we'll get into in a little bit more detail.And the title for this, which is your tagline, I think, is Uniting Efforts and Amplifying Voices to Secure Our Medical Freedoms and Parental Rights.And there's a lot just in that line that we will unpack. But all the other links are in the description at unityprojectusa on all the social media links will be there in the description.I actually watched your interview with, it was Kim Walker-Smith actually at AmericaFest in December, and I was very jealous.I'd love to have been there, interviewing Kim, but also at the event, I would have loved to have been there.
She's fantastic.[2:35] She really is. And her story is incredible too, her personal story, which we talked about in that interview.
 
Do you want to touch on it? Because people obviously can get that on. But yeah, it was her, not only was she leading worship and she's someone who I follow for many years and I've seen actually playing in our church, She Gave Me Jesus Culture, but actually her story of medical freedom, which I think probably connects with a big issue that you faced there in lovely California.But do you want to just touch on her story?
 
Yeah. So her story, her personal story was really interesting. And to your point, it really aligns with what we're trying to talk about and to uncover and change, not only in California, but also in the country and really even the global community. And so her children, she chose not to vaccinate her child and her child ended up getting sick and she went through kind of a diagnostic process with her, you know, paediatrician and ended up that she had to take her child to the emergency room.[3:35] When she went to the emergency room, there was a battery of questions about the child's vaccine status, which was interesting because, you know, the child had come in for a health ailment, not obviously to discuss the vaccine status.So they got caught in this issue of, is your child vaccinated?And she of course said, look, I've made the personal decision not to vaccinate my child, which by the way, is a very important right that parents should retain.We're losing that right. We're very, very close to losing all those rights here in California and even other areas of the United States.So what ends up happening is she gets put into a room and the nurse and the doctor can hear them talking. And then someone comes in and says to her, you know, we could call child protective services. So they're essentially threatening her because her child is not vaccinated.And it's unbelievably troubling if you think about this. So now she's being held hostage and she goes through the whole, you know, mental scenario of what she went through, even describing, the fact that she called her husband and said, look, I might go to jail. And what I would love is for your viewers to think about this for a moment. Can you imagine making a choice that you believe is the best for your child's health based on your access to information, your access to a conversation with your medical practitioner.[4:59] And then having that medical choice, which by the way, is a natural right.It's not a constitutionally given right here in the United States.It's an actual, it's a natural right.[5:08] It is to parent your children, right? So think about being in a scenario where you've made a personal choice about your child's health and now you're being threatened to have your child taken away by a child protective services.And here in the United States, child protective services has become weaponized against parents that practice medical freedom and that actually are interested in parenting their children without the government interference.And I also should add that here in the United States, the Child Protective Services is not functioning in the way that it was intended to function, meaning it's not functioning going in where children are potentially being harmed and then taking them and putting them into a safe environment.There's a lot of investigation going on here in the United States now about CPS.There have been children that have actually been murdered while under the care of foster parents that children have been placed in through CPS.So now she's being threatened not only to have her rights taken away as a parent, but she has to think about her... I think her daughter was under the age of two at the time, being taken away and put into an environment where her child could actually be in imminent danger.[6:22] It was quite shocking.
 
It was and I watched it and it was shocking.I want to delve into that a little bit deeper, but if I can just take a step back and you personally, Laura, you've got such a diverse background, experience multiple industries.What led you to actually to the Unity project? What was that journey?[6:44] Yeah, so to your point, I definitely do not have a linear background as it relates to my professional career. I started out, I actually was an EMT instructor, which is emergency medical response when I was very young. I engaged in medical missions in South America. And I was an officer in the Marine Corps. I was a pilot. I personally have a heart condition. Actually, I have a couple of different types of heart conditions that I suffer from and I've had a personal journey of how do I get myself back in terms of health.I can no longer fly in any professional capacity. And...
Can I... What did you fly? I'm a pilot. I love aerospace. So can I just...What did you fly? Let me ask you that before we jump back in.Sorry.
 
Yeah. So I was just a private pilot. Okay.Yeah. And in the Marine Corps, I had a guaranteed air contract.And on that journey, you know, I've flown T-34s and several other types of planes.My goal, quite honestly, was to fly F-18s.[7:52] Isn't that always everyone's goal, right? And I do have quite a few friends that are still in the military and actively flying.It seems that the pilot community, it's an interesting comment that you made about the fact that you're a pilot.I always feel like it seems that the pilot community is one that tends to be in this fight, interestingly enough, and I know that we saw what happened in terms of the mandates in the aviation space, but I have to say that there are more pilots that I come across in this journey, in this particular fight, than not.I would say it's like 50-50, surprisingly, when I speak to people, they say that they're also a pilot. What did you fly?[8:33] Oh, well, I wanted to fly, I was looking military or civil, I just fly a PA-28, but 9-11 happened and that was the end of any career in the aerospace industry.So you pivot and you change.But I would have loved to flown an F-18, that would have been beautiful.
Wouldn't that be amazing? I mean, right now I think I would go for the F-35 or the F-22, those look like they're pretty fun as well.
I have got a friend who used to instruct on F-22, but.
 
Oh, no kidding.That's a whole nother story. But look, I could talk to you about this all day.Let me bring you back to what led you to the UNI project.
So here I am, I'm going along in my corporate career. I'm no longer in the military.I'm now an executive at First American CoreLogic.And from there, I start this kind of journey where how do I pair my medical experience with my professional experience.I had a passion for the medical field. I had a passion for helping people.[9:33] And I ended up landing at a company called Ambry Genetics. Interestingly enough, Ambry Genetics was doing a lot of the testing early on for COVID.Ended up leaving Ambry and I went to another genetic research company.So at the time that COVID was happening, I actually was pretty heavy in the genetic research space operating in a, you know, executive role in corporate operations and business operations and COVID hits and going along and I'm starting to see, you know, I think it was about a week after COVID hit, you know, we get locked down here in the United States and everyone's glued to their TV. And I start realizing that if, if reality is as mainstream media here in the United States is reporting, I should open my front door and see dead bodies lying all over the street. I mean, it was that dramatic. So it was pretty quick, quickly, you know, in, in the beginning of COVID that I realized something was, was a miss. There was something wasn't reconciling with what was being reported and what reality seemed to be.And so I had to sit down and really make a decision, how do we want to approach this as a family, personally? And I made the decision early on, it's just always been who I am, to ask a lot of questions.[11:01] And we started seeing schools, of course, are locking down, our communities are locked down, and then the vaccine happens.And then we're faced with the choice of, do we inject our self with something that is experimental?And I wanna be very clear, these vaccines here in the United States are still experimental.They're still under an emergency use authorization. They are not FDA approved.Although at this point, I don't necessarily know that FDA approval[11:27] carries much weight, and we can, I'm sure, dissect that.So my husband and I said, what are we going to do? Because we're going to get to a point where neither one of us can actually engage in mainstream society.Our child cannot engage in mainstream society. I knew very early on I was not going to vaccinate my children for this, not until I had a deeper understanding of what this was.And so the decision was made. Look, we've got to get into this fight.And so I ended up meeting a group of women that were also very passionate about this.And because of my corporate background, one of the first things that I said was, listen, we've got to approach this almost like a business development role, where we're looking for and seeking out other organizations that are in this fight, that are doing this type of work, and they're doing it effectively.And our goal was to become a conduit of communication and collaboration.So we launched with about 60 groups that were already in this fight.They were primarily based in California.At the time, we were pretty myopically focused on the K through 12.That's really the elementary school through graduation in high school here in the U.S. community, right?Because we were very concerned about what they were doing to children.[12:44] And that grew, right? So now we're focused on all parental rights and medical freedom.We have over 200 organizations across the globe that are partnered with the Unity Project.And as I said, working together in a collaborative way.And they range from parents groups to more organized groups.We work with vaccine injured, we work with firefighters, we work with medical professionals.So we really run the gamut of people that are concerned about what's happening in this country and in the global community as it relates to parental rights and medical freedom.And I should say that, you know, parental rights and medical freedom, there's an intersection[13:24] point there that a lot of people don't realize.And so we've branched out now and we're talking about everything from radical gender ideology and what's happening to, you know, critical race theory.One of our newest board members is Curtis Hill. Curtis is a former attorney general for the state of Indiana, and he's a black man, and he is particularly passionate about stopping critical race theory in the schools and in corporate America.
Well, let me pick up on that networking, because I think Unity Project not only unites organizations and initiatives, but shines spotlight on bills, legislations, let me touch on that.But with the networking, I think over the last three years, we've seen a collapse of any norms left and right.And it's very different collaborations that have appeared and we've needed new connectors.I think Unity Project is one of those key connectors. I mean, tell us about that because often organizations will be busy doing what they're doing, but I'm always intrigued with organizations that focus so heavily on that networking and collaboration which is essential.[14:33] It's critical. I mean, I always say you can't be a party of one in this and move the needle forward.We have to come together as a movement, as a people, as various organizations, and make sure that we are working in lockstep.It's certainly not without challenges. And to your point, everyone has their particular passion, right?Whether it's, I'll say REACT 19, I don't know if you know Brie Dressen. She runs REACT 19.I'd be happy to connect you. She's phenomenal.And she sadly is someone who is severely vaccine injured. She is one of the first people that engaged in the AstraZeneca trial.She runs REACT 19, which is a group of thousands of people that are vaccine injured that have come together.They're doing incredible work.And it's very important that their message get out there, and that we are able to connect them with other organizations.We work with attorneys groups that are doing incredible work.They're at the tip of the spear here in the United States from a legal standpoint.[15:42] Litigating cases that have to do with parental rights and medical freedom.And so it's been a very interesting journey, but what we found is that, whether you're focused on the legal aspect or you're focused on the vaccine injury aspect or you're focused maybe on the mandates as it relates to children, there's always an intersection point.And it's actually been a really inspiring journey that we've had over the last year and a half as we work with these groups and connect them.It's been exciting to watch how if we make a connection point with another group, then all of a sudden a strategy starts to form and we're working then with multiple organizations putting together joint calls to action.[16:29] Tell me about the vaccine injured. What's that like? Because we have a number of events, actually we've got an event coming up this Saturday, which gives a platform to those who have been vaccinated, vaccinated to speak. And we have only one member of our parliament who actually speaks up, Andrew Bridgen. What is the situation like in the States regarding those people being able to have a voice and a platform?
 
Yeah, it's probably much like what you're experiencing, you know, unfortunately there's a very vested interest from the pharmaceutical companies as well as the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, even the presidential administration, to silence these individuals. Because obviously if you start talking about the folks that are vaccine injured, then it calls, it sheds light on the concerns that we've all been speaking about with regard to these particular vaccines. And so they have a very vested interest to be silenced.It's quite awful what they're suffering from. Not only are they suffering physically and emotionally, but they're now, they're subject to people that are persecuting them on social media.[17:38] Even in the media. We have some mainstream media over here that will publicly call out and and ostracize and make fun of people that are vaccine injured.It's quite repulsive. The other unfortunate consequence to this, and again, this is probably something that the folks where you are also suffering from that are vaccine injured[18:02] is when we do not acknowledge that people are vaccine injured, that also creates an environment, where they're denied access to care.So can you imagine people that are vaccine injured, maybe they have a neurological disorder, maybe they have a cardiac disorder, and they're going to their mainstream doctor, whether it's their general practitioner, or they end up going to a cardiologist, and they're being told things like, you know, this might be depression if you have a neurological disorder, or, you know, myocarditis is totally normal.We're just going to give you a pill and we'll send you on your way.So what's happening is they're being dismissed and they're not able to access care.So if you think about the crime that's been committed, there's this crime against humanity that's been committed, and it's continuing to be perpetrated, especially for the people that are vaccine injured, because they're suffering and now they're not even being given access to some type of medical intervention to help them with that vaccine injury.
What is that, the response from your politicians, we've seen some high-profile politicians speak up about it.Is there any kind of help or assistance for those people? What is it like in terms of politicians stepping in and actually beginning to provide help and assistance.[19:24] We're starting to see some. We've got some that are, you know, Ron Paul, excuse me, Rand Paul.We've also got Ron Johnson, Jim Jordan, Ted Cruz.So we've got quite a few on the conservative side. And I want to be clear too, the Unity Project, we are a non-political organization.I always say it really doesn't matter where you fall on the political spectrum, unless you're so extreme that you believe children should be genitally mutilated when they're infants.Outside of that, and by the way, I should add that I believe that that group of people represents less than 10% of the overall population here in the U.S., and I would even venture to say globally.It's just that they have a very loud voice, and they've created a lot of fear, so people feel as though they can't speak out.So even though we're not a political organization, unfortunately, the media and the political establishment has very much made this a political issue.I mean, I always say, look, here in California, there was a bill that was being pushed that said children as young as 12 years old can make their own medical decisions without the knowledge or consent of their parents.[20:44] So think about that, you send your kid to school and at 12 years old, they can go in and make their own medical decisions aboutanything sexual, they can make their own medical decisions about vaccines, any number of topics that should be resting with the parents, not the government, not the school.And so I always say, you know, it really doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum.I think we can all agree that a 12 year old probably doesn't have the mental faculty and understanding to make and engage in their own medical decisions that could be life ending, certainly irreparable damage to them. You're obviously you mentioned you're in California there and that's really the part of the the front line or the epicentre of some of the the madness and I mean tell us about that because obviously we know in the UK it is state by state and it isn't across the country but that certainly shows exemplifies the real battle line.[21:50] It does, you know a lot of times people will say I'm frustrated with California Californians. It's just crazy there We're gonna move and we've actually seen a mass exodus from the state of California. This is historic, exodus from California, but what I always say is look California is the tip of the spear when it comes to bad legislation here in the United States and And what happens in California tends to trickle across the US.So it's really for the rest of the country to look at and dissect and understand what's happening here.[22:22] And stop what's happening here in this state.I mean, we have a battery of legislation like never before. I mean, COVID was used as a tool behind closed doors to author terrible legislation and then push it through virtually uncontested.So we had bills that ranged fromthings like kids can't go to school unless they're all vaccinated.We had bills that said kids obviously can make their own medical decisions.We just discussed that one.We had bills that say, and this bill passed, I think it was SB207.It passed. It says that we're now a sanctuary state for genital mutilation.So that essentially means that anyone can come into the state of California, they can have their child receive what's called gender affirming care.And I have a problem with that terminology in general because there is no such thing as gender affirming.There's no such thing as transgender. Transgender is an actual made up word.You can't trans, infers that you're in transition of something.There's something called a transvestite, which is where a person from one gender dresses and acts in another way, or another, excuse me, dresses and acts like another gender, right?[23:41] And so this particular bill has implications outside of just the act of physically harming a child.It actually says, so let's say I'm in the state of Texas and someone takes my child, let's say it's an aunt or an uncle or a friend, and takes my child into the state of California.We've crossed state lines.[24:05] I could potentially lose custody of my child, right, in addition to going through the process of having my child genitally mutilated.So there's huge implications. And the scary part about this is that particular author, Scott Weiner, who's a state senator here in California, and he also happens to be the author of a majority of these terrible bills.He has said that he is so proud of this bill that he is working with 19 other states to author similar legislation.And we're seeing it in places like Vermont and New York and other areas, and even in states that tend to be more conservative.We still are seeing bad legislation. So one of the things that we've done on our website, we're in the process of developing this, is a nationwide campaign to call attention to bad legislation and also good legislation because we are seeing some states really push back on this and develop laws that fight against people's ability to harm children.And so we're going through and we're dissecting that and people can, will be able to go on our website, pull up whatever state they're in, and get a list of both bad and good legislation.[25:18] Let me come back to that. But can I ask you, you mentioned about not being political, and that must be difficult because obviously it's become a Republican-Democrat issue. In the UK, we don't have that divide. It's just all bad. So we don't have that pushback. Supposedly, conservatives are conserving, but they're not conserving anything, over the last 13 years.So how is it to kind of be in this space and not be political when the political ideologies are there for all to see?
 
Yeah, I mean we tend to be invited to a lot of conservative events. We are still waiting for our invite to some of the more left-leaning events. But what I will share, and it's been interesting and I think educational for me is that,[26:10] you know, politically, I have always leaned more conservative, and that's a public point that it's not hidden, that's no surprise to people.That being said, a lot of our biggest supporters, especially donors, are people that are on the left, and they've come to us and they've said, listen, we feel politically marooned.We don't know what our political party is. We're the party of, you know, John F. Kennedy.We're the party where we want to help the American people.We are not the party of telling children that they can be 17 different genders.We are not the party of telling children that are white that they must repent for the sins of their ancestors.We are not the party of saying we're going to tax the American people an exorbitant amount and give reparations to the black community, a community that a lot of these individuals, some of them can't even tie their ancestry back to slavery here in the United States.And I think there's some high profile people that are going through that right now.[27:26] And so interestingly enough, we have people, believe it or not, that are aligned with the the left or the traditionally the left that have now sought us out and are very interested in supporting this mission because, you know, one of the things that I'm starting to believe here in the U.S., we do have our traditional political systems, right?We've got the conservative party, we've got the liberal party, we've got libertarians, we've got, you know, but the primary dominant political aspects are the conservative and the left-leaning parties, the Republicans and the Democrats.[28:00] Unfortunately, the Democrat Party has been mutated, and I don't think that it's intact anymore in the sense that, let's say, someone who is traditionally a Democrat can identify with, can align with.And so those people really are looking for another party to associate with.And we're seeing more and more people come over that were traditionally Democrat coming over to the Republican or the Conservative party. So it'll be an interesting journey and evolution of the political parties here in the United States once I think we come to the other end of this, what we're experiencing.
Yeah, we're having exactly the same thing here, where the traditional values of the left have been completely wiped away by a lunacy of progressivism and wokeism and voters now no longer know where they stand when they traditionally vote and they're still in that mindset traditionally we vote for this side therefore we continue even though what is happening appals us but then they've got nowhere else to go here in the UK and the US has been the same as generally being a two-party system and that's I guess where individuals like that will struggle.
That's correct yeah we're seeing it here in the US for sure.[29:25] Unity Project, if you go back to that, brings a whole wide range of, I mean looking at the website, you've got podcasts, you've got news, you've got different events, you've got the press, you've got the whole partnership and networking we've talked about, you've got the legislation side. I mean tell me how kind of all those different aspects fit into what you're attempting to do.
So, I've always been a believer that you approach this probably in a holistic way, right?There's no way you can win this or move the needle forward by just saying, look, we're going to educate people, or we're going to approach from a legal standpoint, or we're just going to focus on the political aspect.If a country goes into battle, you very rarely would ever, I don't think ever, have a military assault where you say, we're just going to have a land assault, or we're just going to have an air assault.There's multiple aspects to this campaign, if you will.And so for us, it's really important that we address to the extent that we can, every one of those aspects.We want to educate the American people and the global community about the dangers of the vaccines about the importance of parental rights and medical freedom.We want to engage in a media campaign.[30:53] We're working, as I said, with several attorneys that are doing incredible work legally[30:59] to fight what's happening with people that are vaccine injured.They're also fighting the bad legislation.We had a bill here in California called AB2098. I don't know if you've heard of this bill.[31:11] But it was, I say it's probably the single piece legislation that is the most destructive to the medical system.And what it did was it said any doctor that goes against the COVID narrative could potentially lose their medical license.So let me make sure that I explain that because this is a really important point.So let's say that you're an endocrinologist and you're treating a patient for a known autoimmune disorder. And let's say you've been treating that person for years for this autoimmune disorder.If that patient comes to you and says, how do you feel about the vaccines?And you say to them, based on your medical history of an autoimmune disorder, I believe that you may end up having an adverse reaction to this vaccine, and I have to recommend against taking it, that doctor could lose their medical license.So it's the total destruction of informed consent. It's the government and the pharmaceutical companies inserting themselves in the doctor-patient relationship. It's a First Amendment violation.So it was just a terrible piece of legislation. The governor in California actually signed it into law as of January 1st, 2023.Dr. Aaron Carioti, who is our chief of medical ethics, and several other doctors filed suit, and we were able to get a preliminary injunction.And so that's an example of some of the legal work. And that's really, really important because can you imagine going to your doctor[32:41] and having this idea that you're not having an open conversation with your doctor about, your medical ailment. That conversation is being guided and restricted by the pharmaceutical companies and the government. So there's legal, going back to your question about kind of, everything that we have going on, there's legal. And then of course, there is some political.We're a 501c3 and that's a nonprofit. And here in the United States, if you're a 501c3, you can only do 20 percent political work. So we don't do a lot of political work. We also don't do a lot of political work because obviously we're not a political organization and we want people across the political spectrum to work with us. So we wouldn't align ourselves regardless with one political affiliation or not. But it is important for us to call attention to the legislation that's happening. That's critical. One of the ways that here in the U.S. a lot of of this has happened is that people are unaware.You know, there's been this incredible censorship campaign, which I know you guys are experiencing as well in the UK.And so I spoke at an event and there was about 600 people.And I said, you know, just by show of hands, how many people in the room are aware of[34:00] SB 866, which is the bill that said kids as young as 12 could make their own medical decisions without the knowledge or consent of their parents. Less than four people out of 500 raised their hand. So it was quite telling to me that, you know, if the American people were truly aware of what was happening legislatively, I don't think that they would be able to get much through uncontested. You know, one of the things that happened to us was we took an excerpt out of the california.gov website of one of the bills. It was literally a cut and paste.[34:35] Put it on our social media of one of the bills that was being proposed. And we were told that we were going to be shut down for mis or disinformation. We fought it and we won.But that is an example, I think, of how aggressively these political parties and these authors of these terrible legislative actions are fighting, right?So that's a big aspect for us as well, is making sure that people understand what is happening legislatively so they know where they can get involved.
Yeah, the same here. It's that threat of punishment if you speak up and therefore people remain silent out of fear of losing their job, their children, anything like that. But then part, of that pushback, I guess, is the podcast highlighting some of those issues. Tell us about those.
Yeah. Well, we've had many issues. Actually, the podcast is where I get to have a lot of, fun and interview a lot of amazing guests. And we don't keep it just tied to the vaccines.We've spoken to everyone from doctors and scientists to activists and everyone in between.I actually did an interview the other day with Jennifer Say.She was the former president, And[35:57] was on her way to being the CEO of Levi's Strauss. Have you heard of Levi's?It's not a small company, and she talks about her journey of how she was cancelled for speaking out about the school closures.I did an interview with Tim Kennedy. Are you familiar with Tim Kennedy?Tim is an interesting guy. I would recommend following him. Tim is probably, I would say, the number one special operator here in the United States.If you remember in Afghanistan, there was a group of people that kind of clandestine organization that went in and rescued about 12,000 people from behind enemy lines.That was, really Tim had a lot to do with that.He's in a documentary called Send Me and it's on Amazon. It's a phenomenal documentary.And Tim was a former champion UFC fighter. He's an MMA fighter.So he's got this really incredible background.And we had a long conversation with him and Matt Boudreau. Matt's his business partner.They've started an organization called Apogee Strong.[37:07] And it's all about mentoring men. And so we had a long conversation about the war on masculinity and how this is one step in destroying the nuclear family and parental rights.And so that was a real fun conversation.We work with James Lindsay. I don't know if you know who James Lindsay is, but he's fantastic. We just had him on and we talked all about, you know, the education system and the Marxification of the education system here in the U.S.And tomorrow we'll be doing a Twitter spaces event[37:41] with Matt and Jennifer Say, and we're going to be talking about how the education system here in the U.S. is actually not broken. A lot of people talk about how the system is broken.It's actually not broken. It's working exactly how it's been intended to work.And we are now a century into this type of education, and we're seeing the impact that it has had.And again, it has been very, very effective. So it's been, the podcast is fun, the Twitter space events are fun.We get to really hear from a whole host of people. We hope to have Dennis Prager on shortly to talk about freedom of speech and how that's been impacted here in this country.And in the US, we are very passionate about our constitution.We are very passionate about our first amendment, our second amendment.And that's, interestingly enough, that's not something that we talk about a lot here at the Unity Project, but it is something that I think is critically important.The Second Amendment really guarantees all of our other amendments, and so including our ability to parent our children in the way that we see fit, because we believe that, there is no greater right than your right to parent your children, free of the government intervention.[39:07] If only we in the UK had that, we have nothing like that, but that before I get too depressed, I'll hold off on that. You mentioned some of the great names you've had on the podcast and you've also got great names on your team. Obviously, Dr. Robert Malone connected us when we were there in Miami, tell us how you've kind of pulled together such a great network off, I guess, a team as an advisory role.
Sure. Yeah, that was something that I cannot take credit for. Jeff Hansen, who is our chairman[39:43] was really responsible for helping to launch FLCCC, which is the Frontline Critical COVID Care Alliance, run by Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Paul Merrick. And so, because he was so intimately involved from the very beginning, he had a pretty good relationship with a lot of these doctors.And so Jeff reached out to Dr. Robert Malone, who's our chief medical officer, Dr. Aaron Carioti, who's our chief of medical ethics, Dr. Peter McCullough, who's on our strategic advisory council, Dr. Harvey Reisch.I mean, the list goes on.We're quite grateful to have this powerhouse team of doctors and scientists.And, you know, early on we explained, look, this is critically important.Obviously the work that they're doing is vital, bringing attention to the medical and scientific aspects of what's happened once it relates to COVID.But there's this, again, this whole concept of how do we get this information in the hands of the groups that are actually doing the work and tie these groups together so that we can work in lockstep?And that's really how it came together with those doctors and scientists.And they're fantastic. I mean, we're talking about[41:02] individuals that have been publicly persecuted, have lost their ability to function in their previous careers, have been socially ostracized, have been the target of media campaigns.I mean, it's really been a tremendous journey for them.
Tell me all about, your focus initially was California, and you've grown past that, although California needs more help than most.But tell us about that growth, because what you're doing, obviously in California, is that networking, highlighting, that's needed across the country.So tell us how you've grown.[41:42] How we've grown outside of California or how we've grown in California?
I mean, as you've consulted in California, then realize what you're doing is needed across the country.
You know, it's been a couple of ways. We've done it somewhat organically.So when we started, we started hosting these calls. We were hosting calls once a week within our network.And then we were inviting doctors to speak.We were having webinars where we were asking our, we call them strategic partners, to promote the work that they're doing and to connect with the scientific community.And then we started having organizations outside of California that, in the global community, it actually started reaching out to us.As an example, we had a group in Australia, Voices for Choices, they've reached out to us.They're very active in Australia. We have groups actually in the UK, the World Council for Health was one of our strategic partners doing a lot of work.And so the growth interestingly enough has happened organically.And there's an aspect to this that is through that organic growth that is somewhat concerning, in that it seems like a very small, I guess, movement, right?[43:07] Everyone kind of knows everyone. And I say concerning because my goal is to have this movement be so vast that we're not so intimately familiar with one another, right?We have that many people in that many organizations that are doing the work.
Yeah, not completely. I think that's all our goals to take it past those limitations and restrictions and make it much wider.Can I ask just as we finish, individuals watching maybe have an organization they'd like to connect or just individuals wanting to[43:44] be more of a part of what Unity Project is doing, tell them how they can get more involved whether they're organization level or just an individual.
So they can go to the unityproject.org and there's all kinds of resources from an individual standpoint.We've got recent like scientific and medical data that's on the website.We've got a podcast and reading books, a whole segment on recommended reading.We've got resources on how to speak to your school boards.I know in the UK, it's probably different, but I would imagine that in some sense, you've got parents that are there that are just as passionate as the parents here in the United States, maybe more so, right?[44:31] And in the sense that you alluded to the fact that you guys don't have as many parental rights as we do here in the US.So maybe people in the UK are galvanized and ready to stand up and say, look, we are going to raise our children in the way that we believe is the best way.So there's resources on there. There's also the ability to reach out and connect with other groups.So we have every one of our strategic partners linked on our strategic partner page, and they can go through and see the work that's being done.And if there's someone or some organization that they're particularly passionate or aligned with, they can connect with those organizations. They can also connect with the Unity Project, and become part of our database.And we put together joint calls to action all the time where we reach out to everyone in our database and say, look, we need your help getting out information in this area.So if they go to the unityproject.org, whether you're an individual or an organization, there's ways to connect with the work that we're doing.[45:35] Okay, Laura, thank you for your time. I have obviously seen the Unity Project and then it was great meeting you there in Miami, but what you're doing is fantastic. That networking, that connecting, and also the educational side is absolutely fundamental. So thank you for coming on and sharing what you are doing.
 
Thank you for having me. This has been fun. I would love at some point to have you on our podcast so we can talk about what's happening in the UK. We had Katie Hobbs?
Katie Hopkins.
 
Hopkins.
 
Thank you.
 
She's a force of nature. She's phenomenal.
She really is. It was one of my more fun podcasts, I will say. She's quite energetic, but it's inspiring, right? And so I would love to hear about what's happening in your communities and how you guys are fighting back and the tools that you're using, because this is not just a United States issue. This is a global issue. And I think that the more collaboration we can do globally, the more we're going to be able to fight back against this.[46:44] Oh, completely. Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing. All the links are in the description for all our viewers or for listening on any podcasting apps, Podbean then. It is also there. So thank you so much, Laura.
Thank you so much.