Hearts of Oak Podcast

Bob of Speakers Corner

In this episode of the podcast, the host discusses various aspects of Bob’s work as a Christian evangelist, particularly in relation to Islam. Bob, who is commonly recognized for his presence at Speaker’s Corner in London, shares insights on his experiences and the importance of effectively engaging with Islamic teachings while presenting Christian faith. The conversation delves into the dynamics of Islam in contemporary society, questioning whether it is thriving at the expense of a weakened Christianity or a confused liberalism.At the outset, Bob provides an introduction to his work as an evangelist, inspired by the groundwork laid by Jay Smith. He articulates the necessity of educating Christians about Islam and how to counter the traditional Dawa arguments that many Muslims present. For Bob, the emphasis is not merely on deconstructing Islamic narratives but rather on effectively presenting Christ amidst these discussions. By framing a strong defense of Christianity, he believes Christians can better engage in conversations with Muslims.The dialogue then transitions to the confidence perceived in Islam today. Bob clarifies the distinction between Islam as a doctrine and Muslims as individuals, emphasizing that the current momentum seen within the Muslim community is more reflective of the sociological landscape rather than an inherent strength in Islamic teachings. He discusses how Muslims capitalize on a legalistic and argumentative tradition that is engrained in their culture, contrasting it with the more narrative-driven and less confrontational approach of many Christians.Bob raises important points regarding the differing societal influences that shape Muslim and Christian communities. He comments on how Islamic teachings encourage a strong communal identity which allows Muslims to rally together and assert their presence in public discourse. By juxtaposing this with the current state of Christianity, he observes that many Christians have adopted a more passive stance, often influenced by liberal values that neglect the importance of religious identity and engagement in societal issues.The discussion also underscores the multifaceted perceptions Muslims may have regarding Christians. While some may view Christians as allies due to shared Abrahamic roots, others, especially within more radical circles, may see them as adversaries, particularly when confronted with assertive Christian outreach. Bob points out the importance of understanding these dynamics to effectively engage with Muslims and address misconceptions on both sides.Turning to the church, Bob critiques the liberal tendencies that have crept into many Christian denominations, particularly the Church of England. He notes that many church leaders operate more like social clubs rather than as strong advocates of the Christian faith, often prioritizing comfort over confrontation and truth-telling. This has resulted in a church that appears fearful of engaging with critical issues in society, undermining its ability to present a firm theological stance.Bob further explores the implications of cultural displays of faith, contrasting Islam's public assertion of identity with the often muted expressions of faith among Christians. He highlights that while Muslims do dress and act in a way that openly signals their beliefs, many Christians lack similar cultural manifestations, leading to a dilution of their religious identity in public spaces. This raises questions about the necessity for Christians to reclaim a robust public presence.Towards the conclusion, Bob emphasizes the need for Christians to engage in active evangelism that goes beyond mere tolerance and acceptance. He calls for a resurgence of a confident Christian identity that is unafraid to challenge prevailing cultural narratives and assert the truth of the Gospel in public life. The conversation culminates in a call to action for Christians to develop a vision for a new Christendom, effectively pushing back against cultural and ideological adversities while maintaining love and service for one another.Listeners are ultimately encouraged to explore resources from Bob’s YouTube channel, engage in thoughtful dialogue, and participate in discipleship classes for further education on these critical issues. The episode serves as a potent reminder of the need for a confident, informed, and active Christian presence in a rapidly changing sociopolitical landscape.
Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
Connect with Bob…𝕏 https://x.com/btbsoco YOUTUBE:  https://www.youtube.com/@bobofspeakerscorner1099 WEBSITE: https://www.soldierofchrist.online/ 
Connect with Hearts of Oak...
𝕏 http://x.com/HeartsofOakUK WEBSITE https://heartsofoak.org PODCASTS https://heartsofoak.podbean.com SOCIAL MEDIA https://heartsofoak.org/connect SHOP http://heartsofoak.org/shop DONATE https://givesendgo.com/heartsofoak https://donorbox.org/hearts-of-oak-fundraising
 

The Week According To . . .

n this episode, I sit down with Hermann Kelly, the leader of the Irish Freedom Party, to analyze the outcomes of the recent Irish elections and discuss broader political themes in Ireland and Europe. The conversation begins with an examination of the political shift where Fianna Fáil has emerged as the largest party, highlighting a coalition government that many perceive as having moved away from traditional nationalist values towards a more globalist and secular approach. Kelly discusses how the Irish Freedom Party has been working to steer the political conversation back towards nationalism, particularly in contrast to parties like Sinn Féin, which he argues have strayed from their nationalist origins.
We explore the Irish Freedom Party's electoral gains and its role in diminishing Sinn Féin's voter base, despite facing significant media bias and exclusion from mainstream platforms. Kelly notes the rise of independent candidates and a decline in support for established parties, signaling a transformation in Ireland's political landscape driven by public discontent with "woke" politics.
The dialogue then turns to immigration, with Kelly pointing out a public shift towards viewing current immigration levels as too high, advocating for a more open national discussion on border control and its socio-economic impacts. 
On the topic of criminal justice, Kelly criticizes the perceived leniency towards sexual offenders and calls for judicial reforms to focus more on public safety and victim justice rather than just prison overcrowding concerns.
The discussion broadens to include European political dynamics, particularly the situation in France with Macron's recent challenges, and how these reflect a broader populist surge. Kelly draws parallels with other European nationalist movements, suggesting there are lessons to be learned for the Irish Freedom Party.
Lastly, we address the climate agenda, with Kelly critiquing the current 'net zero' policies for their economic impact. He calls for a more balanced approach to energy policy that considers both environmental and economic viability, suggesting Ireland should explore alternatives like nuclear and tidal power.
This episode provides a deep dive into the complexities of Irish politics, the resurgence of nationalist sentiments, and the implications for European politics, emphasizing the need for a return to pragmatic and community-focused governance.
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
nterview recorded 6th December 2024
 
Connect with Hermann Kelly on X (Twitter)https://x.com/hermannkellyHermann Kelly (@hermannkelly) / X
Connect with Hearts of Oak...𝕏                         x.com/HeartsofOakUKWEBSITE            heartsofoak.org/PODCASTS        heartsofoak.podbean.com/SOCIAL MEDIA  heartsofoak.org/connect/SHOP                  heartsofoak.org/shop/

Sara A Carter: Children at Risk: Trafficking, Drugs and the Open Border Moral Crisis

In this compelling episode of Hearts of Oak, we delve into the critical issues facing America and beyond through the eyes of an experienced investigative journalist. From the perils of drug cartels and human trafficking to the contentious policies at the U.S. border, this discussion uncovers the layers of national security, immigration, and the moral fabric of society. We explore the impact of policy shifts between administrations, the media's role in storytelling, and the global implications of these domestic policies. Join us as we discuss potential pathways to reclaiming order, security, and cultural identity in an era of widespread change.
Connect with Sara:www. linktr.ee/saraacartersaraacarter | Twitter, Instagram, Facebook | Linktree
 
Transcript:
Hearts of Oak:[0:25] And hello, Hearts of Oak. Thanks so much for joining us once again. And it's great to have a brand new guest all the way across the pond. And that is Sarah A. Carter. Sarah, thank you so much for your time today.
Sara Carter:[0:36] Oh, thank you so much for having me on the show. It's a great show and I'm so happy to be here.
Hearts of Oak:[0:40] Great. And I had the privilege of joining you on your show to discuss everything UK. It's great to have you discussing the excitement over there in the US, which provides excitement for us because we don't have much excitement in politics here in the UK. So thank you. People can follow you at Sarah Carter DC. And of course, on that, you've got the links to all your other platforms that you're on. People can find you on all of those. So make sure and jump on, click on that link just under the handle, and you'll get a list of everywhere that Sarah is on. But Sarah's a national, international award-winning investigative reporter. And I say this for a UK audience because she will be well-known for the war and posse for everyone stateside. But for the UK, I mean, her stories have ranged from national security, terrorism, immigration and frontline coverage of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And she's been to some interesting countries, some that I may would not like to go to. So I'm glad she's done it and reported. And she is currently an investigative reporter and Fox News contributor. Lots to get into. I know I've touched on some of your background. Or maybe you'd like to just introduce yourself, especially to our UK audience, before we jump into all the fun things that are happening over there stateside.
Sara Carter:[1:59] Oh, I know. First of all, Peter, thank you so much for having me on your show. Your show is so incredible. It's a great show. And I'm glad we have this option, right, where we can now speak not only freely, and we have X, of course, which is a monumental platform with Elon Musk, but we're able to talk to each other and communicate through podcasts. It becomes more of a global connection. And especially as individually, we're all fighting for our sovereignty, right? So I've been covering the board for all of you who don't know me out there. I've been a reporter, investigative reporter for more than 20 years. I actually started my career a little bit later than some, but in California, covering the cartels, the drug trafficking gang affiliations in the beautiful state of California, which is a complete mess now because of the leadership there under Gavin Newsom. But for us, for me, I was born there, raised overseas, came back and spent the rest of my youth in California. It was incredible to watch the deterioration of that state. A lot of that had to do with illegal immigration and the rise in gang affiliations and the failure of the government, the local government, to do its job in protecting its citizens.
Sara Carter:[3:22] And it wasn't just about those that were on the outside of, you know, the immigration issue or, you know, those that you would think of as being more wealthy Californians or people that were middle class. It was about the kids, too. It was about our schools being overwhelmed, our public school systems with children that were not being paid attention to, with school boards that were basically turning their backs on them and using taxpayer dollars to do their own thing instead of providing an education for the children. And we had, I mean, and we still do today, sadly, children killing each other in the schools, gangs, shootouts. I remember one time in my own neighborhood, there was a 15-year-old boy that had been laying dead in the front yard of his house for two days before they actually found him because the grass was piled so high.
Sara Carter:[4:16] And it was just, it's a nightmare. It was a nightmare scenario. And I thought, man, it can't get worse than this. And when I started covering
Sara Carter:[4:24] the border, well, covering the gangs led me to the border. Covering the border led me to covering overseas, basically setting a goal to be a Pentagon correspondent and covering the war zones because I'd covered the border and I saw this narco traffic and terror and what we considered a connection between narco terrorism and actual terrorism overseas with the DEA, CIA, Western intelligence agencies that were monitoring what was happening in the United States and along our border and in Central America and Mexico. So I took off, came to Washington, D.C. to make a long story short, got hired by the Washington Times.
Sara Carter:[5:06] They finally accepted that I was going to be a war correspondent. I don't think they were excited about that, having a woman going into the war zones at that time, but they agreed to it. I went to the Pentagon, signed off all of my paperwork, covered the Pentagon a little bit. And as soon as they started shipping people off to the battlefield, I was one of those first reporters in those groups that when I came in to head out there, Lara Logan was another reporter who was on the ground out there at the same time, female reporter.
Sara Carter:[5:39] Anthony Lloyd from Great Britain. I remember him being out there quite often. Kelly Kennedy, Chris Hondros, who was killed in Libya, and Tim Hetherington, and James Cantley, who has also disappeared and was taken prisoner by Islamic State. So I saw the world from many different points of view. And I thought to myself, even when I covered, you know, the cartels, and I mean, I was going into Mexico, Peter, I was going into Nuevo Laredo when there were gun battles, and I was into Tijuana, you know, when Ariano Felix was in charge of the Tijuana cartel there, and they were beheading people and leaving their heads along Highway 1, you know, the police officials that they were usually involved in narcotics as well. So leaving signs, you know, ratones or rats or traitors, they would do that. A very terroristic style type of killing, something we saw very familiar with the Middle East extremist radical groups there. So it was horrifying and mortifying for me to watch as I progressed through my career and covered President Trump in 2016, broke all the stories on the Russia hoax.
Sara Carter:[6:59] So that was another big part of my work with John Solomon in the very beginning. But then to watch as the Biden administration came in and just drop all of the executive orders that had been put in place by President Trump, who was by far the only president under the time I had covered the border and the wars and everything else you can imagine under the sun as an investigative journalist, he was the only president that I'd covered that actually meant what he said. He said, I'm going to shut down that border. I'm going to do everything I can to do it. And he did. He fought Congress on it. He made executive orders. He had the remain in Mexico. Stephen Miller was working with him on it. He really brought a semblance of control and sanity to the chaos that was happening globally with migration, which Great Britain has also faced such horrific problems with this. And then all of a sudden we have Biden.
Sara Carter:[7:58] And it gets worse than anyone can imagine. The border, the flooding.
Hearts of Oak:[8:04] Before you jump into the Biden mess, can I just ask you, because whenever I was last over, people were saying, oh, you need to go to Eagle Pass, Eagle Pass. And everyone has talked about you need to go to the border. And it's been it's been the fashionable thing, rightly so, because of the chaos on the border in the last four years. But it's become the in thing, kind of go to the border. You were doing this long before it was fashionable. How do you why kind of focus on that? There must be much other areas that you could have focused on, which would have been probably less heads along the road type of thing.
Sara Carter:[8:36] That's a great question, and you're absolutely right. I was one of the only women, actually, over 20 years ago that was down at the border. Once in a while, I'd run into this Reuters journalist who I thought was really brilliant. He was very tall. He was British. I used to joke around with him. I'd say, you just stick out like a sore thumb here in Mexico. I'd see him coming down a sidewalk. I wish I could remember his name, but he was a great reporter. There were hardly any of us because it was so dangerous one of the most dangerous places to work in the world and and it still is considered one of the most dangerous when you're thinking of the cartels was mexico and the reason why i chose that and that's an important question was because after september 11 i believed there was a significant lapse in security at that border That despite all the 9-11 commission responses to what happened in September 11th, that there was an extraordinary failure in controlling what was happening at that border. Not only was I talking to sources in the U.S. Intelligence apparatus or DEA or Western intelligence, as people would like to say, but also the local sheriffs and police. And I saw not only the extraordinary amount of narcotics and weapons that were moving back and forth just within our own communities.
Sara Carter:[9:59] But I thought to myself, if they can get all of this in, if there can be this extraordinary organization, you know, back then it was transnational criminal organizations, Sinaloa, Beltran Leyva,
Sara Carter:[10:16] Vincente Carrillo Fuentes, you know, all of these, all of these massive criminal organizations that were running Mexico as a narco state, then what's, what could come in? What could come in? A WMD, terrorists, you know, other types of chemical or biological weapons. So my interest became very focused on that and also on our children. And I thought to myself, what kind of society are we when we are not even protecting ourselves? We're not even protecting our children. We're a nation of immigrants. I'm not taking that away. It's not about immigration. It's about national security and protecting the sovereignty of a nation. And that's what led me there. Over the last four years, it's been extraordinary. It became kind of like a hip thing to do. I think I was breaking ground, right? But all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be a border reporter. And let me tell you this. I'm grateful. I'm grateful for all the people that are down at the border telling stories. I'm grateful that there's a big response to it.
Sara Carter:[11:20] But it's not just about what we're seeing on video coming across the river. I've seen that for over 20 years and never saw it so bad as I've seen it now with 700, a thousand plus coming across. But it's about the border being in every single one of our backyards in our neighborhoods, right across America, because we have narcotics distribution centers across the United States that these cartels have set up. They have set up transit routes that are highly guarded, not just in Mexico and along the border,
Sara Carter:[11:52] Not just in Central America, Mexico and along the border, but throughout the United States where they can move people from point A to point B without even the knowledge of our U.S. Law enforcement. It's very difficult to track these cartels. They've grown to enormous organizations with hundreds of billions of dollars. And our governments allowed us to have that. it almost became very cliche that everybody was just covering the border, right? The people crossing because visually it's stunning. Yes. But what is happening in the dark corners? What is happening in our streets, in our schools, in our neighborhoods while we're just so hyper-focused on the pictures, you know, of what is happening at the border? And that's when I started to expand my work and I started looking at, you know, this is not just about the border. It's also about Western civilization in general. We have enemies that want the destruction of our way of life.
Sara Carter:[12:53] They do not want the, and not just enemies that live in the shadows that I've covered for so many years, like terrorist organizations, like Islamic State or Al-Qaeda or any of these other groups. But what about our adversaries, you know, that look at the border as a way of weaponizing their targeting of our nation, of your nation, of the European countries? I mean, this is this is very serious. It's almost as if, you know, we all fell asleep.
Sara Carter:[13:23] And, you know, we all know the story about the Trojan horse, but the Trojan horse was already inside our countries. I mean, it was like we delivered them into our nation, the weapons, you know, and I think that's why the American people all of a sudden started waking up. They were like, wait a minute. It is in my backyard. Wait a minute. This is happening in our schools. Why did we lose 140,000 plus people to fentanyl poisoning the way that we lost it? And let me tell you, a lot of the people, and I don't know how it is in England right now in Great Britain, but in the United States, we had massive waves, and we still do, of fentanyl tablets coming into the country. And those precursor chemicals came from China.
Sara Carter:[14:11] Those precursor chemicals were basically handed over to the cartels. The cartels used them to make these pills. And also they've, they've spiked cocaine. They've put it in marijuana. So kids are going out and partying and they're dropping like that. They're dying. No child or no college student. And I say child because just several months ago, a gentleman in Rio in the Rio Grande Valley, um, lost his two, his 15 year old daughter and her 15 year old friend. And this happens every day. This story just sticks out in my head. Um, he found him dead in their bedroom, uh, because they had taken what they
Sara Carter:[14:49] thought was an Adderall. Um, and yeah,
Sara Carter:[14:54] They died. It was pure fentanyl. And so drugs issues,
Hearts of Oak:[14:58] Looking at that from a European position or British position, and I had no grasp of it, no concept, because what the U.S. Is facing is on a level 100 times to what Europeans are facing in terms of, I remember it was April and June 2022, I went to LA, the first time I've ever been to California. I think probably the last time I'll go to california and sadly i never got to enjoy what it was like under a rig and before it was destroyed by the democrats but it was the only i remember i did nine cities in 14 days i think um in uh middle of 2022 and la was the only one i it was i felt completely unsafe and with people just wandering around lying on the pavements lying on the roads and it was it was like a war zone and I came way quite pissed off at how is this allowed to happen is is no one angry and it's come to this stage maybe in parts of the US where it's just accepted that's just the norm um but it to me as as a Brit it was utterly shocking seeing that and I've never seen anything like it um and even the tent cities and on and I I've never seen anything like it up to then and I never said anything like it from then. And it really blew my mind.
Sara Carter:[16:21] It is. It's absolutely mortifying that we don't we don't do anything to stop that, that we've allowed this to happen. You know, and I think the American people were kind of asleep as well, just thinking that this is a normal part. It like crept up on them. It was like mission creep, right? Like people didn't realize it until they woke up one morning and then a man's defecating in their front lawn in Georgetown. Or like I saw with my daughter one time we were driving and it was Georgetown again. And this is a beautiful neighborhood. That's why I bring it up in Washington, DC area. And my daughter says, mommy, why is that man taking a bath in someone's front yard? And he was completely nude. He was scrubbing himself down in the front yard. There were tents everywhere. I was in, yeah, I was in Pennsylvania and Kensington where there's an overwhelming problem with fentanyl and heroin.
Sara Carter:[17:21] And the, for miles and miles, blocks and blocks and blocks, you see people on carfentanil, fentanyl, mix it, mixtures of fentanyl that I can't even begin to understand how the human body can survive it. Some of this is used as tranquilizers or tranks used on, you know, elephants and, and things like this. And they, they dilute them so that they can get even a bigger high. Um, and it's, and you see people like zombies walking across the street. I've covered that story over and over again. And I will tell people I have traveled all through Central America. I have been to San Salvador. I've been to Guatemala. I've been everywhere, everywhere in Mexico. I've never seen this in any other country. And I say to myself,
Sara Carter:[18:09] This is it. This is the Trojan horse, right? We don't need armies and tanks to really be at war. We need an enemy that floods our nation and a people willing to do it, willing to take it. But we need an enemy willing to flood our nation with poison. And not only have we flooded our nation with poison, but we have a government, an established government that did nothing to stop it.
Sara Carter:[18:43] National security failure at epic proportions did not care. And the question that I have, because at least if there was a policy in place, at least if there was some kind of policy, but it failed, I would say, okay, they were terrible at policy. They had a bad policy, but they rethought it and they tried to change it. There was no policy. There was no policy to stop it. The policy was to leave the border wide open. The question has to be why. Why would someone's own government purposefully attempt to destroy their nation? I think in Great Britain, And I wish I can remember, and maybe you can clarify this for me, but there was an incredible speech that was all over X recently where somebody said, you know, this is purposeful. This was a move by globalists to destroy our nations and to really imprison our own people. And I tell this to people all the time. This is not freedom.
Sara Carter:[19:54] What has happened here is an absolute way of controlling the populace. That is what these globalists want. They want to control the populace. And I think, you know, what we've seen with the election with President Trump is a big wake up call where people are like, wait a minute, I just I'm watching what's happening. I don't want this to happen to my child. I don't want this to happen to my country. I refuse to allow this to happen. And now they have become the cavalry, right, that have worked to put other elected officials like President Trump back in office and others with the hope that we can stop this momentum in this horrible direction that we're heading in. Because we're really heading for the destruction of the Western world as we know it.
Hearts of Oak:[20:42] I want to get on to where we're heading. I know you interviewed Tom Homan recently, but there was another interview you did very recently, which was Jakob Boyens. And that's another part of an open border on the sex trade and people trafficking. But for you, as a journalist, looking at this and highlighting this, and yet there is silence, more or less silence amongst the media, maybe some media begun to wake up. But actually, it was the left or the mainstream media attacking parts of the media for highlighting this abject failure of how to run a country for society, of government. And it was a weird situation. How did you see that as a journalist? Whenever you see journalists attacking other journalists for simply highlighting what the truth is and the failures of society? Yeah.
Sara Carter:[21:42] It's unbelievable to me because I remember, and now I'm more of a commentator. I am a journalist still. I do investigative columns. I try to get out there and do the, my podcasts are based on talking to people that are experts in the field and bringing them in and revealing stories that maybe others had not heard of. But I was stunned and mortified. I remember when I first started working as a journalist, I was so excited to be breaking so many stories, incredible stories. And I thought, oh, wow, now the Washington Post is going to jump on this or the New York Times, and I'm never going to get to keep my story because I would be working for a newspaper that maybe had less resources.
Sara Carter:[22:24] They would have all the resources. It was kind of looked up to them. And then I realized, no, they're not doing that. They're not exposing those stories. I remember when I wrote the first stories that exposed the link, the nexus between the drug cartels and terrorist organizations and how our U.S. Apparatus was really hyper concerned with good reason that drug cartels would allow these terrorist organizations to utilize transit routes into the United States or adversarial nation states would utilize those same routes to get into the United States without detectives. And I was called an alarmist. Oh, you're just an alarmist. That will never happen. Why wouldn't it happen? Why wouldn't we have people all the time? So to see journalists turn their back on the least of us.
Sara Carter:[23:19] Our job as journalists is to be a voice for the voiceless. It's to speak up and to call out, to be a watchdog on the governments, to hold them accountable for what they are doing with the populace, right? So it's our job to do that, not to work hand in hand. You know, I remember during the Russia hoax, this was the very last big, big stories that I did for a news organization and with Fox News, as well as with Sinclair News Group. And we broke the stories on Russia hoax, on what was going on with President Trump, how the Obama administration had expanded its spying, what was going on with Carter Page, what happened at Trump Tower, all those stories. And I thought to myself, wow, I really did. This is it. This is the Pulitzer story. The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, all of them are going to jump on this, and they're just going to go crazy with it. Instead, they lapped up the soup or whatever was being served to them or the liquor that John Brennan, the head of the CIA, James Comey, the head of the FBI, James Clapper, you know, who was then head of director of national intelligence gave them
Sara Carter:[24:48] Just handed them on a silver platter without question, and they targeted a sitting U.S. President of these United States that had been duly elected and voted into office, and they turned the whole world, or they attempted to, to turn the whole world against him. They called him a stooge for Russia, and instead of doing their job and doing the right thing and actually exposing the corruption in the government, they became a tool of the government, And they did the same with, look, Yakuboyens is amazing. Tara Rodas is amazing. I want to highlight that in the United States, a nation that is founded upon principles in the Constitution that should never allow slavery or servitude in this nation, that should speak out against the maltreatment of children and the sexual exploitation of people and the raping of children, that we should be the first in line to call that out and that every news agency should back that up. And it has taken, some of them haven't even talked about it at all. Others targeted movies like Sound of Freedom saying, oh, that's an over-exaggeration.
Sara Carter:[26:01] Finally, there was a reporter at the New York Times, and I wish I could remember her name off the top of my head, who did an incredible piece on slavery in the United States, utilizing children. I mean, big corporations, I won't name them here because we don't want to do that right now, but they can read the story in the New York Times. But that, you know, that sell cereal, that sell chicken, that had their factories were filled with underage children in every single state that have been trafficked across our border.
Sara Carter:[26:32] By the Biden administration, these kids were working in these factories in indentured servitude. That's unacceptable to me. It is absolutely stunning. It is unacceptable. And I'm so grateful for Yakuboyens. And I'm so grateful for Tara Rodas, who was the whistleblower at HHS and others who blew the whistle and have come forward because I've been reporting for more than 20 years how these children have been exploited at the border, how kids have been raped, how kids have been brought into this country and lost forever.
Sara Carter:[27:03] And, you know, frankly, very few people, very few people talked about that publicly. And I don't know if it, you know what, Peter, I don't know if it's because it's too difficult to face that reality. I don't know if it's hard for people to accept that reality because once you accept that, you can't just walk away from it. And once you know that children as little as two years old are being raped and abused and lost in the system, you can't just walk away from it anymore. It's a very difficult, difficult pill to swallow. We don't want to believe that that exists. So I don't know if, but I think it is a journalistic failure. I think it is a failure. Our job is to be, again, the voice for the voiceless. Our job is to expose the truth, no matter how difficult that is. Even when you like someone, even when you think they've been the best source ever. Let's say John Brennan was the best guy ever for some of these folks at the
Sara Carter:[28:12] New York Times and the Post. When he came up to them and delivered those lies, it didn't matter whether it was John Brennan, or if it was Michael Hayden, who was his buddy, but was a Republican, it didn't matter who it was. They should have said, wait a minute, show me proof. Give me three sources.
Sara Carter:[28:32] And then I need to find those sources to make sure that that is the truth. But you don't just take the word of a, the head of an agency that is known to lie to then create and to then spread their lies as part of their propaganda machine. That was not our job.
Hearts of Oak:[28:54] When you look at the U.S. and there is still a U.S. Identity, the American dream is still there. It's been chopped off and abused and there have been attempts to destroy that. But there is still a pull for America, very different in Europe. Europe are struggling massively with what it means for identity as you have tried to erase the nation state and what it means for nation sovereignty. So Europe are in a huge struggle, but America still has an understanding of what American means. So it's weird how you look at mass immigration, the impacts on, especially on the sector of the drugs trade. America kind of should be thinking, and this is not this, I'm just trying to work this out, that actually that's not how we do things. We know what our identity is and you'd expect the destruction that's happened in america more to happen in europe than it has but on a lesser level and yet it's europeans who are struggling with with what it means and identity um and even in your i think yesterday there was a headline on in belgium that sex workers have now got maternity and pension benefits in a world first and that europe sees it as like a little college industry uh something that you choose something and that a girl grows up and that's what she would like to be.
Hearts of Oak:[30:18] So I'm wondering how that kind of identities, how that produces the chaos that we have. Because I see the US and it shouldn't be in the situation because Americans have that strong identity. You've got flag, you've got culture, you've got history. Where Europe, that's been wiped out.
Sara Carter:[30:41] I know you brought up so many good points. How do I pull this thread?
Hearts of Oak:[30:45] It's a lot of threads.
Sara Carter:[30:49] But I can do this. Because while you were talking, I think what's happened with America first, I'll start there, is that we've had a lot of infiltration in our university systems. Now we do. You're right. We still do have this very nationalistic, I think a good 50% of us, identity, you know, of we are Americans. We stand for this. This is our history. We are a nation of immigrants. Right. And I want to think and think about it this way. We are a nation of immigrants and I would say legal immigration, but like my mother who came from Cuba in the 1960s on the Johnson freedom flights was so proud to be an American, right. That when people would ask her, they would say, Oh, you're Cuban. She would say, no, I'm American. You know, she would be just like, wait a minute. I'm so offended. You know, that you would call, I left Cuba because I had to, I had to flee in the end, but I have nothing to do with that nation. I'm an American. Um, and because of that, and because we have these kinds of renegades, you know, I call it the X gene renegades, people who have left everything behind, whether they're from Vietnam, Cuba, uh, Ireland,
Sara Carter:[32:04] Great Britain, whether they came hundreds of years ago or just yesterday, Australia, wherever they came from in the world, they came to with the decision that they made that I am going to start a new life and a new chapter for future generations of my family. It's kind of the renegades, right?
Sara Carter:[32:23] Now you have the renegades and you have those that are like ready to be American. And then you have those that have infiltrated the system and want to see that system changed. I call them the Obamas. And they're not Obama-like.
Sara Carter:[32:36] They're Obama heavy, right? They believe that America is not a beacon of light shining on a hill. They see America as a problem. They see America as a colonizer, something that is brutal and bad in some ways and needs to be restructured. They see the constitution as antiquated, that it needs to be revamped and or removed in some way altogether. And you have this clash, kind of like the clash of the titans in America, right? And you have these professors that have been indoctrinating so many people for decades now, you know, I would say even pre, you know, Hillary college days, right? I mean, she was already indoctrinated there into the Saul Alinsky, you know, school of radicals, right? And we saw all of this and they figured out how to kind of manipulate it and use it for their own benefit because they're also very selfish, just like any good communist or socialist. They want to have all the money and put all the money in their pockets and then have all the minions live the way, you know, in poverty and do all the hard work.
Sara Carter:[33:48] So you have that clash, but there was kind of an awakening in America, a big awakening, not just a little awakening. We saw it with Charlie Kirk, right? With Turning Point USA, where I think it was very brilliant. It was probably one of the most significant. I know Charlie, and I don't think I've ever told him this, but personally,
Sara Carter:[34:08] But his movement started to shine light on what was happening throughout our universities and our school systems, it didn't allow the disease to fester, right? It's still there, but it's exposed. So we know it exists.
Sara Carter:[34:27] In Europe, tragically, I don't know, you know, and I don't want to debate European politics that much, but, and I want to talk a little bit about that thread when it comes to, you know, Belgium and, you know, how we look at, you know, the service of women, you know, in prostitution or whatever, and the legalization of that. I had, and because I deal with children so much that have been abused, a lot of children that are trafficked are abused children already. So I want people to understand this. The majority of women that are in that service industry, supposedly in the, in the line of prostitution and that work in these industries are come from abuse. They are women that have been usually abused since they were very young. This, their sexuality is, has been kind of ripped apart, like their spirit. They don't really, and I know this from talking to them, they don't really know how to see themselves. And, you know, even if you sell yourself after the age of 18, if you've been abused since the age of two, five, six, or seven, you know, what you have, what you're purchasing,
Sara Carter:[35:43] Sadly, is somebody whose spirit has been broken, who has been abused, who's damaged goods, who has never had anyone treat her the way she needs to be treated. Even if she thinks or he thinks that this is the future, wow, I'm making money, I'm making my own choices. No, you're really not. You're really selling yourself out and your respect and your body. Now, We can debate that all day long.
Sara Carter:[36:14] And how Europeans see that, you know, side of things. I'm talking from personal experience and meeting children that have actually been tragically abused, horrifically abused, and they have to go to therapy. And it takes a lot to recover to some sense of normalcy for these children. And some of them do recover and some of them don't. Some of them have committed suicide. some of them go into the sex trade because that's just the only thing they're comfortable with it's the only thing they know but losing your identity in Europe is it's it is quite tragic because and I don't know if it had to do with the EU and this idea of we're just gonna you know
Sara Carter:[36:57] We're all one instead of celebrating and cherishing each other's cultural differences and And the beauty in that and protecting the nation's boundaries and borders. I mean, look at what's happening now in Amsterdam. Look at what's happening in Great Britain, you know, in London. I mean, you've talked about this so much, Peter, but you see a transformation of your nation, a transformation where, sadly, there are some situations where the cultural, I mean, it's a collision course because Western society cannot live side by side with some non-Western societies that do not believe women
Sara Carter:[37:47] You know, I mean, have the exact same equal rights as men, where little girls can go to school and just, you know, play sports and, you know, make their own decisions of who they want to date and where they want to go. But that's part of who we are. We have the right to choose, you know, and we have the right. I have lived in the Middle East. I grew up in Saudi Arabia. I mean, my child, my father worked for Lockheed Martin from the time I was about six years old until I was 12, 13 years old when my father got really sick. We had to come back to the United States. But I was in Saudi Arabia. I remember going through the soup and shopping at the marketplace with my mom and understanding that I could not step outside those bounds and neither could my mother. She couldn't drive a car then. She had to go on the bus. We had to be completely covered. My mother, especially I was when I was a little girl not so much I had to be covered but not so much but my mother yes and you had to live by those rules now Saudi Arabia is transforming it's changing a little bit um but we are seeing we saw with the extremism both in the Middle East um and what happened during the last 20 years plus America's longest war in Afghanistan and the terror attacks that we face not only here in the United States, but come on. It's like we have amnesia.
Sara Carter:[39:15] We had the Madrid train bombings, Charlie Hebdo, Baraklan, what happened in Great Britain. I mean, my gosh, stabbings on the streets, a society of people. And look, I'm not saying we shouldn't have immigration from everywhere in the world, but legally people should be vetted. It should be proper. That's what Tom Homan and I were talking about. Should be proper vetting of people coming into your country. Do you want to have someone living next door to you that looks at your child or your daughter and you know, who's a criminal or somebody who has never thought of a woman as anything other than just a piece of property that they could do whatever they want with. I don't think so.
Hearts of Oak:[40:02] I want to end, I'd love to do a whole show with you on Saudi Arabia and that clash, but we'll not even get into that because that would sidetrack us far too much. But it's this look in the future and you and i mentioned at the beginning you mentioned again having tom homin on and he one of many revolutionary picks and i think it is going to be the most revolutionary administration um that really any of us have ever seen in terms of what has to be done and to fix the the problems but me touch on that going forward because america is in a crisis at
Hearts of Oak:[40:42] the moment in terms of many areas. And it seems as though President Trump is willing, I'm sure they'll not all be perfect, but is willing to put the people in place to get a grip off the issues that America faces and fix them. So tell us your thoughts as an American when you see some of those names go forward and how you see that fixing the hole that America is currently in.
Sara Carter:[41:10] I mean, I'm excited. I think this is For the first time, I feel that President Trump, he not only understands how this political game has been through hell for the last, right? I mean, they have targeted this man. He doesn't have to be doing this. Everyone says that. And they're right. He doesn't have to be doing this. He could be just golfing in Scotland and enjoying his time with Melania and his family without all the pain and suffering that he has had to go through. And he endured that for all of us. And by the way, two assassination attempts. One that almost did take his life in Butler, Pennsylvania. But I think about Tom Homan and I know him personally and I work with him at Border 911 Foundation. He loves this country and he loves the people that he is trying to help. By shutting down that border, he is actually going to save lives. He is not gonna allow this perpetual industry of illicit human trafficking and drug trafficking to continue.
Sara Carter:[42:15] And he is going to deport. He is going to deport first incarcerated criminals, get them all out of here, send them back home. And because President Trump is in office, he is going to be able to conduct those negotiations. I think he is the greatest negotiator on planet Earth. I really do. I think he is brilliant. Look, Trudeau was eating in Mar-a-Lago. I mean, you can't beat that. I mean, and not only eating with a smile on his face and saying, you know what, we're going to work out a deal before you put those tariffs on us. We're going to figure this out. And Mexico is starting to do its job because they want leadership.
Sara Carter:[42:55] Look, neither the president of Mexico, she doesn't want it. Neither Trudeau wants it. Nobody wants the mess that we have seen for the last four years, because even Mexico has had to pay a price for it, even if they've opened the border and have allowed, you know, because it was so overwhelming, allowed people in. Remember, there's a lot of people that just stay behind. And these cartels are amassing so much money that the government of Mexico has to contend with that. You know, they have to contend with a narco state. So they don't want this. So they are probably just like, thank you,
Sara Carter:[43:32] God, for bringing President Trump back because he can carry the big stick. Right. And he can say, you better do this or we're going to do that. And they're like, oh, OK, we'll see. We have to do this. So now we're going to shut this down. It kind of gives them all permission to do the right thing. Now, Tom Homan, he's also promised, and this is something he and I have discussed, you know, at nauseam and at length, that the first on top of removing criminals, criminals off the streets, incarcerated criminals, that at the same time, our focus is going to be finding those children. Remember, we had over 500,000 unaccompanied minors that have come into the United States under the Biden administration.
Sara Carter:[44:15] Over 300,000 of those children we do not have records for. We cannot find them. We don't know where they're at. Now, granted, some of them may be with guardians that are taking good care of them, but we think a good portion of them have been taken into other industries. Some of these kids have been lost on the streets. Some of them have been forced into the sex trade. We know that some of them were taken to a strip club. Peter, that's crazy. They were actually released from our custody and taken to a strip club. That was the address that was given to HHS, to Health and Human Services. So with people like Tara Rodas, with Yakov Boyens, Kash Patel as head of the FBI upon confirmation, and others, I think we're going to see a cleanup like we've never seen before. And he's going to put people in that are going to gut these systems, like the FBI, which by the way, has been an utter and complete failure and embarrassment going after God only knows. I want to ask Cash Patel. In fact, I may FOIA my name to see how many times John Solomon and I had been like actually been spied on
Sara Carter:[45:26] Um, so we could, we could look at that from the past, but I think the important thing is, is that we're going to, the American people are like, yes, this is reformation time. We are going to change what needs to be changed. We're going to get back to the basics and we're going to own our country again, because in the United States of America, and I want to remind everybody of this, it's the American people, each individual American citizen, that is the boss of this government. They are not the boss of us. And President Trump understands that. And that's why when he gets out there and when Tom Homan gets out there and speaks to the American people, they keep their promises. That's why when he says things publicly, he actually does them. Because the American people are in charge. They're paying the bill. They pay. Our taxpayer dollars pay for this government.
Sara Carter:[46:22] And, you know, and I think even across the pond, people have to start thinking that way. We all have to start realizing that in our democracies or in our republics like the United States, that we are the voice of reason, that we are the people that matter, and that when they don't do the job that is required of them to run our nations and take care of our families and our national security that we have the right to fire them. And when they have to do something, they need to explain it to us. And it needs to go through a process. They can't just do it to us. They are not the kings and queens in charge. Excuse me. I know you've got kings and queens, but you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. It's symbolic there, But they are not that way. We are in charge of our destiny. It is us. And I think when we come to realize that, we get our countries back, right?
Sara Carter:[47:25] Europe needs to get that back. The European people need to stand up and say, no more. Not another child of mine is going to be attacked on the streets of Amsterdam. No more. Not another day goes by where we're going to put up with what this government is trying to enforce on us, because we have the right and the right lies with us. And when we give up those rights, We have bureaucracies that become emboldened, overpowered, full of power, and they believe that they can do anything. And that's why we've got to take that back now. We've got to knock them down a few notches and let them know that they are not the end-all, be-all, and that they don't own us.
Hearts of Oak:[48:14] That they work for us. It's exciting because I know that President Trump is going to embolden a lot of what's happening in Europe. The Freedom Party came top in a local poll a couple of days ago. Alternative for Deutschland pulling out by 20-odd percent. And what's happening in America is going to spread and give momentum to the rise of populist parties all across Europe. So it's certainly not just constrained to America, but what is happening with you is going to spread very much wider. Sarah, I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for giving us your thoughts. You've done so much work on the border, as I said before, Kim Fashionable. You were there in those extremely dangerous situations and many other places in the world war zone. So I appreciate you coming on and giving us your expert analysis of what is happening over in your country.
Sara Carter:[49:06] It's my pleasure, Peter. Thank you so much. And it's okay to be popular. Don't feel bad. Don't feel bad. Take back the power, right? And take back your countries. There's no greater feeling in the world than what we felt on election day when those numbers rolled in. And we saw that President Trump actually became the president of these United States again, and that we were going to get back to where we needed to be. I can't tell you the celebrations here, how people felt and how great it was so i we're hoping the same for europe for great britain um which i mean we look to you when we as well uh for your leadership and friendship and god bless you peter and your beautiful nation i can't wait to go to london i want fish and chips and just a great time and i want to go to a pub what was your favorite pub again i
Hearts of Oak:[49:59] Have lots of favorite pubs So you can't narrow that down. That's an impossible question. But before London becomes fully Londonistan, do come and enjoy whatever English parts are left of London. We'll go outside London. We'll go to Wingsland and see the castle and the royal family and all that stuff.
Sara Carter:[50:18] That's what I'd like. That's what I'd like. Not Londonistan, but I'd like that. And, okay, I remembered one pub. I walked by it. I never forgot its name, the Handsome Cab. I don't know what it is. So nobody from England come after me on that one. If it's a bad pub, I don't know. But I remember thinking, I want to go to that pub one day. But anyways, yeah, I love Great Britain. I can't wait to come see you. And yes, let's go outside of London. I still haven't seen Stonehenge. So maybe one of these trips, I'll get to see it. And now we're outside London. It's easy.
 
Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.Recorded on 03.12.24
 

AJ Rice - Unpacking 'The White Privilege Album': Satire Meets Cultural Critique

AJ Rice - Unpacking 'The White Privilege Album': Satire Meets Cultural Critique
 
Connect with AJ
𝕏 https://x.com/PubliusPR 
WEBSITE https://publiuspr.com/ 
 
 
Connect with Hearts of Oak...
𝕏 http://x.com/HeartsofOakUK    
WEBSITE https://heartsofoak.org  
PODCASTS https://heartsofoak.podbean.com   
SOCIAL MEDIA https://heartsofoak.org/connect  
SHOP http://heartsofoak.org/shop   
DONATE https://givesendgo.com/heartsofoak  
https://donorbox.org/hearts-of-oak-fundraising
 
 

The Week According to. . . CPT Maureen Bannon

In this episode, Captain Maureen Bannon discuss recent U.S. elections, focusing on the lengthy vote counting in Arizona, and the need for electoral reform. Analysing the incoming Trump administration's potential for accountability, touching on cabinet picks like Kash Patel and Robert Kennedy Jr. The conversation covers grassroots political engagement, an 'America First' economic policy, and critiques on media credibility and corporate accountability.
Connect with Maureen...X/TWITTER      x.com/maureen_bannonGETTR              gettr.com/user/maureen_bannonWARROOM       warroom.org/
Interview recorded   29.1.24
Connect with Hearts of Oak...X/TWITTER        x.com/HeartsofOakUKWEBSITE            heartsofoak.org/PODCASTS        heartsofoak.podbean.com/SOCIAL MEDIA  heartsofoak.org/connect/SHOP                  heartsofoak.org/shop/

Sonia Elijah - Vaccine Safety in the Shadows: The Fight for Transparency in Public Health

Sonia Elijah, an investigative journalist, discusses her research on the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in an interview on "Hearts of Oak." She reveals alarming statistics from FDA-released documents, including over 40,000 adverse event reports and 1,228 deaths shortly after vaccination. Sonia critiques vaccine trial integrity, highlights concerns regarding adverse effects in pregnant women and infants, and calls out regulatory bodies for their lack of transparency and accountability. She emphasizes the need for thorough investigations into vaccine-related deaths and advocates for vigilance regarding the pharmaceutical industry's motives, underscoring challenges faced by independent journalism amid censorship and misinformation.
 
Connect with Sonia…
𝕏 https: https://x.com/sonia_elijah 
SUBSTACK: https://www.soniaelijah.com/ 
 
Connect with Hearts of Oak...
𝕏 http://x.com/HeartsofOakUK 
WEBSITE https://heartsofoak.org 
PODCASTS https://heartsofoak.podbean.com 
SOCIAL MEDIA https://heartsofoak.org/connect 
SHOP http://heartsofoak.org/shop 
DONATE https://givesendgo.com/heartsofoak 
https://donorbox.org/hearts-of-oak-fundraising

Dan Wootton - Media, Musk and the Future of Freedom in the UK

Dan Wootton - Media, Musk and the Future of Freedom in the UK
 
In this compelling episode, we dive into the UK media's evolving landscape with a prominent journalist who has transitioned from the glitz of showbiz to the gravity of political commentary. The conversation begins with an exploration of the guest's career shift, sparked by the divisive Brexit vote, which highlighted the mainstream media's reluctance to embrace democratic outcomes, pushing our guest towards independent platforms.
 
We discuss the inception of GB News, intended as a conservative counterbalance in a left-leaning media environment, and the challenges that ensued, including the guest's personal battle against media constraints, particularly after hosting a controversial figure. This leads into a broader discussion on cancel culture, where our guest recounts facing repercussions for promoting free speech, drawing attention to the media's uneven handling of controversial discussions.
 
The episode also covers a recent petition in the UK, gaining nearly two million signatures rapidly, as a testament to public unrest with the current government and establishment. This is portrayed as not just a call for electoral change but a deeper demand for systemic reform.
 
The conversation touches on Elon Musk's influence on social media freedom, suggesting a hopeful shift towards more open discourse. Finally, we explore the rise of populist movements across continents, advocating for a grassroots approach to political change in the UK, challenging the traditional political duopoly. 
 
This episode is a clarion call for listeners to engage with their political environment, emphasizing the transformative potential of independent media in an era where free expression is under threat. The discussion underscores the importance of diverse voices in media, highlighting how one journalist's journey reflects broader societal shifts towards seeking truth and accountability in governance.
 
Connect with Dan…
Dan Wootton Outspoken airs weekdays at 5PM UK/12PM ET/9AM PT
𝕏 https://x.com/danwootton 
SUBSTACK: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com/ 
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken 
 
Connect with Hearts of Oak...
𝕏 x.com/HeartsofOakUK 
WEBSITE https://heartsofoak.org 
PODCASTS https://heartsofoak.podbean.com 
SOCIAL MEDIA https://heartsofoak.org/connect 
SHOP heartsofoak.org/shop 
DONATE https://www.givesendgo.com/heartsofoak 
https://donorbox.org/hearts-of-oak-fundraising 
 
Hearts of Oak:
[0:24] And hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you so much for joining us once again. And I'm delighted to have someone who our UK viewers will know very well. Maybe the war room posse may not know as well, but you will over the next 45 minutes. And that is Dan Wooden. Dan, thanks very much for your time today.
 
Dan Wootton:
[0:39] So good to be here, Peter.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[0:40] Great to have you and obviously people can follow you at dan wooden is your handle on x on twitter and your outspoken show airs every weekday monday to friday 5 p.m uk time which is noon for you guys on the east coast or for those earlier risers want to watch it maybe in your first hour and work on pacific standard time it's 9 a.m so catch dan monday to friday on that and Now, Dan, there is a lot to discuss about, but I'd love to maybe just start on your background. Your background was kind of in media, but showbiz. It's quite a movement from showbiz, which probably a lot of us now would think is not that important, to now you discussing real issues that affect real people. Tell us about that move from the showbiz background in media all the way now to current affairs.
 
Dan Wootton:
[1:39] Yeah, well, it's interesting, actually, because in the UK newspaper scene, there is this weird transition, actually, where people go from being in tabloids, writing about the entertainment industry, and editing this column called the Bizarre Column at the Sun to then moving into news. Piers Morgan is the most famous example of that. So I guess in some ways that wasn't unusual, but I think for me, it was about why it happened and when it happened. And it happened between 2016 and 2019, when I could see the entire British establishment.
 
Dan Wootton:
[2:21] And the mainstream media, which remember I was a part of trying to overturn the Brexit referendum. So I was associate editor at The Sun and The Sun had campaigned very hard for Brexit.
 
Dan Wootton:
[2:34] And it was over that period that I got my first news show on talk radio, which is now Talk. And over that time, I really did become, I guess you could say, radicalized because I was so horrified and mortified to see the entire mechanism of state work with the media to try and overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history,
 
Dan Wootton:
[3:09] which was the vote to leave the European Union. And then just to give you the very potted history of course we finally get to the point where we're out in january 2020 i decide i'm going all in on this and i take over the drive time show on talk radio in the uk uh from amin holmes so i was on air every afternoon monday to thursday 4 p.m to 7pm UK time and I started the show in February 2020 and we all know what then happened within days so uh by that point I was just utterly furious over the whole course of um.
 
Dan Wootton:
[3:55] Covid and that scandal and sham and that then led me to leaving the mainstream media i guess to to join gb news which i thought was going to be a true alternative.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[4:08] Right that is a whole other story and you ended up again with with emin homes there um but i mean you studied what was it uh politics and media so that was an interest anyway it wasn't doing a an arty course at uni but you kind of were focused on that i came from yeah you did it in new zealand do you see do you see yourself because i sometimes think we have too many u.s guests on i thought oh dan great uk was kind of a bit kiwi as well
 
Dan Wootton:
[4:35] But how.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[4:36] Do you how do you see your identity in terms of
 
Dan Wootton:
[4:38] That it's really interesting actually because lots of people who are by the way always on the left and always everything that they claim that we are so i get lots of people on the left saying to me go back home to new zealand stop talking about british issues what what what do you think you know you new zealander well i actually get pretty offended by that i'm not gonna lie because i'm a british citizen but i'm a dual citizen because you're allowed to be that for americans that's obviously quite a weird thing isn't it because you have to have citizenship of one country but as a new zealander i am absolutely able to be a british citizen but i've been a british citizen since birth, because my father was born on a British Army base in Malta.
 
Dan Wootton:
[5:28] My grandfather fought in World War II. In fact, three of my four grandparents fought in World War II for the Allied forces. And my mom was actually born in Essex, and they were part of this wave of emigration to New Zealand. It was described as the 10-pound Poms, people who were leaving sort of war-torn Britain, the life of rationing to go and set up a new home in New Zealand. But as a result, I had so many British influences growing up, as you can imagine. I ate the Sunday roast and we had our Yorkshire puddings and I watched Coronation Street every night. So it was always my goal to move to the UK.
 
Dan Wootton:
[6:15] Professionally and personally, I guess, I always had such an affinity with this place. And I moved here when I was 21 years old. I'm 41.
 
Dan Wootton:
[6:25] Two now just past 40 yeah that's so disturbing you get to a point where you actually don't know i don't know if i'm 41 or 42 i think i'm 42 and and i've spent my whole adult life here i've chosen to live here but in saying that i have a huge affinity to new zealand i love it but again i find it so fascinating that if you're on the left that's absolutely accepted you know that your heritage can absolutely be part of your identity, but you are accepted in this new place. Whereas with me, it's like, go back to New Zealand.
 
Dan Wootton:
[7:01] But no, I view myself as a British New Zealander. That's a very long answer to your question.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[7:05] You're half and half exactly in terms of time-wise. So from here on in, it's more Brit than New Zealand time-wise. Tell GB News, you were there at the beginning, weren't you? You were one of the first hires. What was that period like because a lot of excitement on gb news it's builders kind of the fox for the uk i guess you could look at it that way um something fresh and exciting to push back on the the legacy media and that's very much to the left and how did that all come about and you've been on gb news right at the beginning yeah
 
Dan Wootton:
[7:41] I was so excited i was the first presenter to be named andrew neil who was the very short-serving chairman had been announced, and then I was the first announcement. So I was all in on this right from the start. I knew that the UK needed a media revolution, and I thought GB News was the vehicle for that to happen. And I actually hosted the first regular show on the station as well, which turned out to be a complete disaster because people who had followed GB News yeah there were loads of technical issues and the channel wasn't really ready to air but while lots of other people moved on i so believed in the mission because it's very odd for american audiences to even wrap their head around this but we had no sort of conservative television whatsoever. Uh, or even by the way, uh, TV news that you could describe as being from the center or the center, right. Everything was liberal. Everything was from the left. And actually a lot of it was from the hard left. Actually the guardian parts of the BBC channel four news, woke eye TV, sly news, as I call it. So.
 
Dan Wootton:
[9:00] I was really a believer, a passionate believer, in the need for there to be a broadcast revolution in the UK. I thought the vehicle was going to be GB News. The unfortunate thing is, again, this is so odd for Americans to even wrap their head around, but we have a government censor. Officially, they're called Ofcom. I call them the Ofcomunists. To begin with, they left GB News alone, really, because we were viewed as a bit of a joke. But what we did was build up an incredibly loyal audience. And all of a sudden, certainly my show, Nigel Farage's show, a couple of other on the channel were number one.
 
Dan Wootton:
[9:39] We were beating the BBC. We were beating Sly News and the ratings. We were doing huge numbers on YouTube. And at that point, there became a mission to silence us, to shut us down. And it's very sad because I say us, I say we, you know, it was like a little family for me and then in ludicrous circumstances i was cancelled because lawrence fox uh who's the former actor turned politician has he been on with you peter yes.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[10:13] We had him on a couple of weeks ago so
 
Dan Wootton:
[10:15] Yes so you guys know lawrence and yes look he's a firebrand he's an absolute firebrand but He came on the show, he was very, very angry about the fact that a woman called Ava Santina, who... There's an awful, hard left, hypocritical woman who is a regular on the Piers Morgan show, Piers Morgan Uncensored from the left, that she had been so dismissive about the need for there to be a minister for men because male suicide in the UK is just out of control. It's one of those national scandals that the MSM just doesn't want to talk about because it doesn't fit their narrative at all, does it? Who gives a damn about white working class men? White working class men in Britain actually are underrepresented in virtually all statistics. So Lawrence was very furious about this, said in quite a tirade during my show that he didn't want to shag this woman. And all of a sudden, you would have thought that I had just gone out on the street and shot an elderly woman. I mean, I was enemy number one. I hadn't even made the comment, but I didn't apologize for it. That seemed to be what my crime was.
 
Dan Wootton:
[11:34] And all hell ensued. And actually, GB News unfortunately gave in to the mob. They gave in to the left-wing mob. They gave in to the off communists. This was ridiculous, Peter. I mean, my show was after nine o'clock at night. So in the UK, there's this thing called the watershed, where basically if you air on TV after nine o'clock, you can do whatever you want. There are honestly, on Channel 4, they have, well, they have people that they would describe as trans women, but they have men with their penises out playing the piano. Naked on television. And that is considered completely acceptable. But Lawrence Fox saying he wouldn't want to shag a woman for political reasons. That was the line that had apparently been crossed. But unfortunately, what happened is GB News gave in to the mob. Their content has massively changed as a result. But for me, I just view it as.
 
Dan Wootton:
[12:37] This incredible sort of opportunity that I wasn't expecting because all of a sudden the US election has proven the MSM, something that I've known for a long time and in fairness have been arguing for years and years and years, just switch it off, turn it off. The MSM is finished. But I mean, the MSM has never been more finished. It's over. It's dead. And here in the UK, we're probably usually about five years behind America. I don't know if you agree, Peter, when it comes to sort of trends, media trends, political trends. And the great thing is I'm now at the start here of what is a true independent media revolution. I'm not the only one. There are other people who are doing it brilliantly, but I'm very excited to be a part of it because what it means is I'm not censored. I don't have the off communists able to take me off air. Or there's this ridiculous thing that america got rid of in the 80s which is sort of like a concept of equal time you know if you have someone on saying uh you know a man is a man and a woman is a woman you have to drag on some absolutely hysterical human being from the far left who tells you that you're wrong so everything becomes a sort of confected performative debate just to please the government censors and i don't have to do that on outspoken at all yeah.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[14:02] I agree and and i i saw you i think lauren i don't think lawrence actually knows what the watershed is but that's a whole other
 
Dan Wootton:
[14:09] Thing look at it oh he doesn't oh he doesn't but but.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[14:12] You seem to be um the wrong
 
Dan Wootton:
[14:14] Party in that because.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[14:15] Lawrence had said something and he said look if i've said something then i should be punished and then calvin got sucked into it just simply for backing you yeah father calvin robinson
 
Dan Wootton:
[14:23] Who's not a regular part of my show outspoken to be honest though this was the direction of travel and that's why i think this is actually a brilliant opportunity for all of us.
 
Dan Wootton:
[14:37] I was very inspired by, over that period, the people in America who had gone through something very similar, I guess. So Megyn Kelly, who was a regular on my show, she came on every week and we became friends over that period of time. She could not have been more supportive. I mean, number one, she quit GB News overnight. She was gone. She had actually been sitting watching the whole Lawrence Fox incident because she was my next guest on that show. And she just couldn't believe it. She just could not believe that this would become a national story and that we would lose our careers from it. So she quit overnight. But not only that, she provided me a huge amount of inspiration in terms of how she came out of her situation with NBC. All of the confidence issues that you go through is anyone going to want to watch me does anyone care should i just retire and just go away gracefully she really got me through all of that so i've based a lot of my show on what she did in america actually with hers but there were other people who were incredibly supportive as well uh like dan bongino and dave rubin have obviously both been a big part of the rumble revolution.
 
Dan Wootton:
[16:02] And so it was a really difficult time because, look, let's just be frank about it, I had not intended to leave GB News when I did.
 
Dan Wootton:
[16:15] However, I absolutely could see the direction of travel. And there's just a complete revolution going on. You don't want to hear from someone who you think could be having their strings pulled. And unfortunately, you know, I've, the thing is I know about the mainstream media, Peter, because I've worked in the mainstream media and the whole reason I've been cancelled from the mainstream media is because I wasn't prepared to
 
Dan Wootton:
[16:40] play by the rules and I wasn't prepared to do whatever my billionaire boss has told me to do. But trust me, there are limitations if you're part of the mainstream media there are things that you know you just can't talk about because rupert murdoch doesn't want you to or one of the billionaire owners of gb news doesn't want you to and for example um.
 
Dan Wootton:
[17:06] There are some shocking stories in the UK at the moment that I have covered massively on my show since we launched in July. So we launched on July 5th, the day after the UK election. And obviously this has turned out to be a seismic election because the UK's effectively been taken over by socialists, which I knew was going to happen. And I always knew that this was going to be a really shocking turn to the hard left and free speech and a whole load of civil rights were going to be under threat in the UK. I'd been talking about it on GB News for four years beforehand. So to be able to come back the day after the election was incredible.
 
Dan Wootton:
[17:47] But I'm talking about lots of issues that GB News simply ignores now. They have banned their presenters, for example, from talking about the cover-up in regards to the Southport Massacre or the truth about Keir Starmer's family, which he's kept hidden from the public. So there's a whole load of issues now where I'm like, oh my goodness, there's no way I could be on GB News being told not to talk about this. No way. Or being forced to describe patriots as far right thugs or pretend that you can't even utter the words Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins. So I got out at the right time. And I think the bigger point is now, and you can see this from the US, trust an individual because an individual is far less likely to have been corrupted than a media organization.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[18:45] 100 i want to pick on one or two of those topics that you dropped in um but let me ask you last thing on on the media side because um you kind of came across as someone like calvin you could say things but you could say them in a way that you rile people with your words but not with how you put across lawrence and maybe even mark stein or or rougher and they will push more but you seem to have the gift that the calvin said to say it with a smile and this is less even more yeah totally
 
Dan Wootton:
[19:18] I mean and that's the thing i look it's ridiculous the way that father calvin and i were painted in the media i mean honestly it does our viewers know that the way that we were portrayed was completely ridiculous and actually even mark and and lawrence sure they might say it with a bit more force, but fundamentally, they have been proven to be right on so many issues, from grooming gangs to mass immigration to, everything connected to COVID and the vaccines. So, In some ways, I'm sad about the fact that it was all shut down at GB News, where we were there doing it as a little family. But probably it was inevitable.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[20:11] Yeah. Tell me, the two pressures are advertising and Ofcom, certainly in the legacy media. And you went up against Ofcom. And, of course, the advertisers would make decisions. I mean, does that mean in the UK you can't have a legacy media or mainstream media that actually tells the truth? Because there'll always be no pressure.
 
Dan Wootton:
[20:33] A hundred percent. A hundred percent. No, no, no. I mean, there's not even any question about this. You cannot tell the truth on the mainstream legacy media in the UK and you are censored. That is just a fact. Everything that happened with Mark Stein, myself, Lawrence Fox, Father Calvin proves that. But I can just say that from having worked in it. Now, yes, I pushed the boundaries more than virtually anyone. And I would do it with a smile, absolutely. And I'd always want to do it as respectfully and carefully as I could. But as I say, GB News, which is meant to be the Fox News of the UK, has not spoken at all about the cover-up connected to the Southport Massacre. That's all you need to know. That is all you need to know.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[21:27] Tell me, we've just had on some of the issues, you mentioned Southport, I'll touch on that. We've had a petition going around, which, as we record, I think is about 1.9 million.
 
Dan Wootton:
[21:41] By the time this is on, we're going to be well over 2 million.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[21:43] But that's in 24 hours. And I watched Jess Phillips, sadly, I know. Forgive me, but you have to watch it. I know. She was on LBC, and she was asked about, what do you think about this petition, having 1.5 million signatures? She goes, well, you'd have to ask those who signed it. that level of arrogance and just refusing
 
Dan Wootton:
[22:02] To understand totally dismissive.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[22:04] To tell us about this petition what that means because when i initially saw it i was like oh it's not going to do anything actually it is a vehicle for people to express their frustration
 
Dan Wootton:
[22:13] Yeah i i was the same as you to be honest so i was watching this initially and i thought oh another petition, why not but actually it's not going to make any difference however this is not a petition this is a people's revolt and they are very different things i mean when you're talking about getting two million signatures in less than three days in a country of 67 million people i mean this is phenomenal and the issue is is that we have a government that is effectively illegitimate because they lied about virtually every major policy issue, point blank lied.
 
Dan Wootton:
[22:59] And actually, they didn't just lie. They lied and then they spat in our faces with the glee in which they immediately instituted their lies,
 
Dan Wootton:
[23:11] treating us all as fools. And then the second thing is the UK has this, I now believe, ridiculous and antiquated electoral system first past the post, Which means a government that actually didn't get that many votes, was voted for by less than one in five of the population, can have such a massive majority in the House of Commons at Westminster that they are able to effectively tear the heart out of this country over the next five years. So this petition will clearly not lead to a general election. It's not about that. It's about saying, the British people, we have had enough. We are sick of this. We are sick of the Uniparty. We are sick of the establishment.
 
Dan Wootton:
[24:03] And we're turning to heroes, free speech heroes like Elon Musk, who is pointing things out going on in the UK in a way that unfortunately very few people are. And he predicted just a couple of days ago that the establishment parties in the uk so that's labor and the conservatives who let's be honest have had a stranglehold on power in the uk since before the world wars he predicted that they will be crushed at the next election now the westminster elite what they do is they laugh and they mock because that's what they do even when you're talking about the richest, most successful man in the world, right? They laugh and they mock. What does he know? What does he know about our electoral system? Our electoral system is designed to stop a revolution, is designed to stop a democratic process actually saying we've had enough of politicians who lie to us.
 
Dan Wootton:
[25:05] But I disagree with them. I predicted before the last election that Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, will be prime minister in 2029. Now, Nigel was a colleague of mine at GB News. I would count him as a friend. I also would say I don't think Nigel is perfect. There's lots of issues that I disagree with him on. But the point is, he's the only politician in this country who is promising true reform, smashing up this absolute shower that we've had to put up with now for decades, where we're promised that immigration, for example, will come down to the tens or net immigration will come down to the tens of thousands a year. And it's a million. It's had a million.
 
Dan Wootton:
[25:56] And that's just the people we know about. There is an actual invasion of our southern border via the English Channel happening on a daily basis, and they will not even stop that. So I agree with Elon Musk on this. This petition is not going to lead to a general election, but what it is going to show to the world is that you cannot lie to us anymore. You cannot treat us as fools. And we are, as Donald Trump famously said,
 
Dan Wootton:
[26:30] going to fight, fight, fight. And if it's five years, we'll fight for five years. Now, for me, as you know, Peter, I believe that we need to find ways to fight within the system and do it in a way that isn't violent. But I have had people on my show from David Starkey to Father Calvin and many others, Douglas Murray, who predict civil war coming to the UK.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[27:01] I think that's where we're going and i think that the frustration people can sign a petition and they feel trapped because politically at the moment there is no solution we're stuck with this awful government and it's this weird position you mentioned elon musk where elon musk is actually the opposition to the government that's a strange position we'll be in and it's an exciting position where someone of that size and importance is focused on the dangers that we face in the uk can in terms of free speech.
 
Dan Wootton:
[27:32] Well, I just think, thank God Elon Musk bought X because that is what has shifted the Overton window. That's what allows us to feel a little bit more free. I don't know if you agree, Peter, but a little bit more free on some of the mainstream big tech platforms like YouTube, where I broadcast, for example, which was awful during COVID, booting people off willy-nilly for... Stating facts. I think Dan Bongino was booted off YouTube for revealing that masks were a complete sham. I mean, imagine that now. So I think Elon Musk has changed that, has changed that discussion, has hopefully shifted the Overton window. He is allowing us to present the truth about what's going on in the UK. And what he's doing is he is exposing the corrupt and crooked mainstream media. Now, this is something that I've been doing, obviously, within the UK for the last six years. But to have someone like Elon Musk doing it on his platform, it's just a game changer. It's just a complete game changer. So over the weekend, for example.
 
Dan Wootton:
[28:52] Elon Musk asked, why has Tommy Robinson been jailed for 18 months? Why? Now, that is a question that no one in the mainstream media in the UK has the balls to ask because Tommy Robinson is discussed and treated as if he's Hitler. But actually, even worse than Hitler, because Hitler, you're allowed to discuss. You're allowed to talk about his manifesto. With Tommy Robinson, you're not even allowed to discuss if you're part of the mainstream media he is non-personed and that's what has happened to katie hopkins that's what then happened to mark stein that happened to me that happened to honest fox that happened to father calvin you are thrust out of the mainstream media now in the past being thrust out of the mainstream media used to mean to an extent you were finished right, Katie is a force again, because who cares whether you're on the mainstream media? I'd never accept an invite from the mainstream media now. Absolutely not. What's the point? I don't need to go on the BBC to be berated for me to spread what I'm trying to say. And I think so much of that change is down to Elon and what he's done with the ex. No, I agree.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[30:07] And anywhere, and I've known Tommy for a decade and a half. I'm probably known Katie for a decade. But you go with him anywhere, and everyone wants a selfie. There's no anger. And we are given a narrative that these people are hated figures. You spend 10 minutes with them walking down any high street, and they're bombarded for pictures. And it points out that, actually, we are fed lies. We see the danger is that normies, or however we call it, some people, see the world through the prism of the mainstream media, and they're seeing things completely wrong. And I think your show, Outspoken, and many others, gives an opportunity to show, actually, this is the real side. This is what is really happening.
 
Dan Wootton:
[30:54] Yeah, and just include them as part of the conversation. I mean, to try and pretend that Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson do not have a role in the UK political ecosystem is lunacy. They do. And even if you disagree with them, you can't just wish them away anymore. And that's what used to happen. And I mean, the lawfare, for example, that Katie had to deal with, the complete, I mean, they de-personed her. it was more than just debanking.
 
Dan Wootton:
[31:30] Katie is very bold about the fact now that she owns nothing, so nothing can be taken away from her. And they tried that with me a lot over the past year as well. They've tried it with Lawrence, but the differences, and this is the change now, it doesn't matter because who cares anymore? I mean, and remember, I work for these newspapers. I devoted my life to them, but I don't give a damn if someone is in the sun or the Daily Mail anymore or appears on gb news that's irrelevant i don't need those platforms to be able to choose who i can hear from because i'm going to choose myself whether i want to watch katie's video on x or uh tommy's interview on you know rebel news or wherever he or maya to see or whichever platform he happens to be uh speaking on so basically the game is up for the mainstream media, and that will help lead to that change. But it's not over. I mean, this is still...
 
Dan Wootton:
[32:32] An ongoing fight in the UK. We are nowhere near as developed in the US when it comes to this independent media ecosystem, which drives the agenda. I mean, it was just fascinating and really inspiring, actually, looking at the Republican conference and seeing who's alongside Trump. And it's Dan Bongino and Tucker Carlson, and who's broadcasting there, Megyn Kelly and Russell Brand and the other people who are important Republicans want to speak to. We're not at that point yet. Politicians here still think that to spread your message, you've got to go on LBC or the BBC. But I have a really strong belief that that is going to change over the next five years.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[33:17] I agree 100 percent. And we are following the US and taking their lead and learning from them.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[33:23] I will be much better for that. And some of the issues you touched on, immigration issue, I think the Tories basically went to the same economic school as Rachel Reeves in terms of working out the numbers coming in. And then you've got the hate speech, criminalization of memes. And this is one thing that Elon Musk has got involved at the utter shock of people posting things online. And yet sex offenders seem to get off with community service. Do you want to just touch on that to give our US viewers a kind of highlighter window to understand what we face in the UK?
 
Dan Wootton:
[33:59] Well, I mean, again, US viewers will not understand this because with the First Amendment, none of this would be allowed to go on. It is utterly appalling and disturbing what is happening here. So Alison Pearson, who's a good friend of mine, she was on my show last week. She is, I believe, Britain's best mainstream newspaper columnist. She writes for the Daily Telegraph, but she's one of the few people in the legacy media who challenges the agenda time and again. And as a result, she finds herself pilloried by the establishment. But a couple of weeks ago on Remembrance Sunday, and I remember she texted me on the day saying, I can't believe what has just happened. Two police officers turned up at her house because of a post on X from a year ago where she had described some Jew haters as Jew haters. I mean, these were people who were members of Imran Khan's political party in Pakistan who have a long history of anti-Semitism and Alison had slightly confused
 
Dan Wootton:
[35:04] which political grouping they were a part of. She thought to begin with, they were part of the pro Hamas demonstrations, which were going on a lot at the time.
 
Dan Wootton:
[35:13] So she deleted the tweet, but that was on a factual basis. She had made a very small error. She hadn't said anything in any way that could be considered incitement to racial hatred. Yet that's what the police, three police forces in the UK, spent a year investigating. Now they have, after an international outcry, including lots of coverage from Elon Musk on X, dropped that, but it took a long time for this to become public. And remember, this is going on every single day in the UK. 60 people every single day in the UK are hounded because of something that they have said online, which is legal. Now, then you look at the rest of the justice system, and absolutely your point stands. And there are some horrifying examples of it, which again, the mainstream media wants to overlook. So a Muslim man called Muhammad Hassan, I would describe him as an extremist, was at a petrol station in Bradford, and he was caught doing this on CCTV. So there was no question about whether he was guilty or not. He spotted three fellow Asian women at the petrol station who were in Western dress, who had assimilated into English society.
 
Dan Wootton:
[36:36] He physically destroyed them. He beat them up on this petrol station forecourt. One of the Asian women, he put her head into the car and he smashed it for 45 seconds. This was all captured on CCTV. He is a woman beater. He beat up three women.
 
Dan Wootton:
[36:59] Muhammad Hassan did not spend one day in prison he was let off then you have Hugh Edwards the face of the BBC the guy who announced the death of Queen Elizabeth II, guilty of making child sex abuse images.
 
Dan Wootton:
[37:24] And being in possession of hundreds of these things He did not spend a day in prison. So you have pedophiles and women beaters being released. Well, not just being released, actually, never spending a day behind bars. Then to make room for people in prison who literally posted on Facebook and X after what happened in Southport where...
 
Dan Wootton:
[37:53] Three young, beautiful girls were butchered to death at a Taylor Swift dance class, a crime which horrified the whole country, and which we still don't know the truth about for a whole load of reasons.
 
Dan Wootton:
[38:07] People who posted something maybe a bit unartful maybe a bit inelegant in some cases probably they even went too far but who made a post on x or facebook over that time are in jail peter in some cases for well over two years so take the case of julie sweeney she's a grandmother and a carer for her husband. She has lived a completely faultless, quiet life in the north of England. After seeing what happened on the Southport massacre, she made one post to a Facebook group of 5,000 people. She soon regretted it. She realized she had overstepped the mark, but she certainly didn't, in my opinion, incite any specific violence against anyone. She has been locked up for over two years for a facebook post lucy connolly a housewife who is married to a conservative party local counselor also in jail for over two years for a post on x after the southport massacre meanwhile and this is actually true and elon musk sometimes points out these stories and people say this can't be true it is true people have been released on the street who are hardened criminals in some cases murderers to make room.
 
Dan Wootton:
[39:34] For these criminals in prison. And it's all part of, I believe, a campaign by this Labour government against the white working classes of the UK. They want to terrify the white working classes into silence.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[39:48] And that's why I'm struggling to understand how you change this from within,
 
Hearts of Oak:
[39:53] because that makes people extremely angry. And we saw the Southport, the demonstrations, whatever you call them, people expressing anger and feeling trapped in a system the police don't seem to be there to help you and i grew up i'm sure you did dan trusting the police trusting the courts that was part of the system that kept us safe now in many ways they seem to be the enemy in how you see them prosecuting how you see people who have been arrested yeah and then you look politically and you have silence from the conservative government um and you've got five or four mps so where we are at the moment so it's understandable that we don't have a first and second amendments we don't have freedom of speech or the right to bear arms. Therefore, oh, what do we do? We can't even meme. So I kind of, you understand where that frustration comes and boils over people thinking, actually, I don't know if the system will work, but you still want to hold within that. And you still believe that actually it is possible to get to where we want to get using the system.
 
Dan Wootton:
[40:55] Well, I think it's the only choice that we have, But I do think there will be a shifting of the Overton window over the next five years, and Nigel Farage and Reform UK are going to have to fill that space, because if they don't, someone else will.
 
Dan Wootton:
[41:13] So I would like, and I do support Reform UK, not as a member or anything like that. I'm completely independent. I'm not a member of any political party, but in terms of my personal vote, I switched my allegiance from the Conservative Party to Reform UK at the last election. So I've given them my vote and I want them to be the force to do it. But if they can't provide that, then another force will come along.
 
Dan Wootton:
[41:42] And right now, I would say they're dipping their toe in the water. They're doing some brilliant things, but they're not going far enough. So, for example, Nigel Farage has said, we'll get rid of all of these hate crime laws that saw Alison Pearson targeted by police. Great, you're dipping your toe in the water, but that's not enough. That's not enough. There has to be a First Amendment free speech, our equivalent. It obviously wouldn't be called the First Amendment because we don't have a constitution in the first place, but there has to be the equivalent of that. It's not enough just to say, oh, you're going to get rid of these hate crime laws. No, no, no. You have to enshrine free speech in British law. So there's a whole load of areas where I think Reform UK are dipping their toe in the water. But remember, we're entering a changed world now. And I do think Donald Trump will send out a lot of inspiration about what is politically acceptable. And we've seen that change from Nigel Farage, even in the past few weeks. He received quite a lot of criticism a couple of months ago for ruling out the concept of mass deportations altogether. And I can already sense that after Trump's election, now he's changing his rhetoric on that issue. So.
 
Dan Wootton:
[42:52] I mean, we knew that Trump's victory was essential for saving the Western world. And I guess, look, there's not much hope at the moment in the UK. So there are a couple of people that we can put a lot of hope in. One is Trump and his administration, because it's going to have to change some of the dark forces and the globalist forces that are doing some terrible things. To the uk and then of course the other is musk so you know we've got to find hope from somewhere at the moment because otherwise this is going to be a very bleak five years do i think it can change within the system yes i do actually but it's going to need a true people's revolt and that's going to be one of the messages on my show today look two million of us have signed this petition imagine if two million of us joined a political force you know we'd be the biggest political force in,
 
Dan Wootton:
[43:50] british history so there's hope i think and.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[43:56] And just to finish off on that point as well i think that hope comes from and i would certainly feel very much like calvin well let's just let's just burn this thing down let's call for revolution but that doesn't always end very well and you're left
 
Dan Wootton:
[44:09] With no how's it gonna work that's the problem how is how is that going to work i think, I think we have to try and make this work through democratic processes, but that doesn't mean working through the system, if that makes sense. The system has to be smashed.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[44:34] No, I agree. And looking at what's happened in the US with Trump, the most important election, I think, in most of our lifetimes because of what we faced, and not only for a country, but for the world. And then looking at what's happening, I mean, you've got the Freedom Party just came top in the Luka election last night in Austria. Of course, they're not allowed to form a government, even though they're the winning party. You've got the election coming up in Germany. Then you've got Orban and Maloney, and you've got...
 
Dan Wootton:
[45:03] Or Le Pen in France. I know. Who they're trying to, you know, again, ban from running through lawfare, which won't work.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[45:13] It won't work, but as they're trying to do in Germany on the AFD. But I think those two pressures for, because I haven't been very hopeful for a while, but actually I think those two pressures could lead to something in the UK. The UK will have to up its act and pressure like that from both sides, I think, will produce good leadership that we can move forward. And to me, actually, the electoral success of Trump and the electoral success of populist parties across Europe, I think, shows that there is hope for the UK.
 
Dan Wootton:
[45:48] Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, look, there are certain things in terms of our setup that does make it very difficult, but these are extraordinary times. No one believed that Donald Trump would get through the Republican primary process.
 
Dan Wootton:
[46:05] No one believes that a Le Pen will ever be able to be president of France. Well, let's see, because I think as things look at the moment she probably will be so to smash the two-party system in the uk would be a massive ask but these do feel like historic times yeah.
 
Hearts of Oak:
[46:27] I i agree dan i appreciate your time people can obviously follow um outspoken every monday to friday at 5 p.m uk time or midday eastern uh find look at his twitter account or x shows how old i am uh to find it there or even go directly to his website dan wouldn't on outspoken.com dan wouldn't outspoken.com sign up to that and find out everything that happens um and i guess dan wouldn't outspoken or dan wouldn't i guess is the handle for your youtube channel also
 
Dan Wootton:
[46:59] Yeah dan wouldn't outspoken and outspoken is also on now because um i have been looking for a free speech platform and i think sub stack is the best of those outside of x obviously i i'm on it it's very very strong on x but i post a lot of my long form things and we do an uncancelled.
 

The Week According to. . . Rick Munn

In the most recent episode of Hearts of Oak's news review, hosts Peter and Rick Munn delve into several pressing issues facing the UK. They open by addressing the UK government's decision to provide £536 million in aid to foreign farmers, contrasting this with the increasing tax burdens on domestic farmers.
Rick Munn highlights the economic paradox where UK farmers, despite owning valuable land, often lack the cash liquidity needed to manage inheritance taxes, potentially leading to the sale of family farms.
The conversation then shifts to Prime Minister Keir Starmer's economic policies, particularly his partnership with corporations like BlackRock for economic growth. Rick expresses skepticism over whether such alliances will truly benefit the average British citizen, suggesting a shift towards right-leaning economic strategies within Starmer's Labour government. They also discuss the implications of a possible ICC arrest warrant for Israeli PM Netanyahu, questioning the UK's potential response to such international legal actions.
The episode further includes a cultural critique, with Rick commenting on the concept of 'self-partnering' popularized by pop star Sam Smith, viewing it as a reflection of bizarre modern cultural trends. Finally, they touch on national defense, examining the UK's preparedness for conflict with Russia, and how domestic and social issues might be impacting military spending. Throughout the discussion, there is an underlying theme of accountability, questioning the alignment of government actions with the actual needs and values of UK citizens, and a call for a more equitable distribution of benefits from policy decisions.
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.