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Bastien Frimas - French Election Special

In this special episode, we explore the nuances of French politics with expert Bastien Frimas, diving into the rise of Marine Le Pen and the challenges faced by right-wing parties like Rassemblement National (National Rally). We discuss the recent French general election, analysing strategic alliances formed to counter right-wing coalitions. We also examined potential coalition scenarios post-election and speculated on leadership changes within the French political landscape. Additionally, insights were shared on European political dynamics, including the formation of new alliances like Viktor Orban's Patriots for Europe and collaboration among right-wing factions on common policy objectives. Throughout this podcast, Bastien offers in-depth analysis on evolving political landscapes, coalition-building, and the impact of shifting ideologies on governance in Europe
Bastien Frimas is French of Norman descent and father of two. He has been active in politics for more than a decade and working for 8 years in the European Parliament, where he currently is assistant of Nicolas Bay, member of the European Conservatives and Reformists group together with Marion Maréchal.
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Interview recorded  8.7.24
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Dr Andy Wakefield - Protocol 7: Four Decades of Vaccine Controversy

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Dr. Andy Wakefield joins Hearts of Oak to discuss his transition from mainstream physician to medical industry whistle-blower, sharing with us his findings on the MMR vaccine's link to autism. He talks about facing backlash, making films like "Vaxxed" and the recently released "Protocol 7" to address vaccine safety and pharmaceutical fraud. Despite challenges like losing his license, Andy stresses the importance of revealing the truth to the public. He highlights the profit-driven pharmaceutical industry's negligence towards patient safety, legal protections shielding companies from vaccine injury liability, and the need for public involvement in spreading awareness and demanding accountability. 
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Andy Wakefield has been likened to the Dreyfus of his generation -- a doctor falsely accused of scientific and medical misconduct, whose discoveries opened up entirely new perceptions of childhood autism, the gut-brain link, and vaccine safety. As an ‘insider,' the price for his discoveries and his refusal to walk away from the issues they raised, was swift and brutal, with loss of job, career, reputation, honours, colleagues, and country. And yet he enjoys a huge and growing support from around the world.Wakefield’s stance made him a trusted place for whistle-blowers -- from government and industry to confess and ‘download.' He has extraordinary stories to share. Wakefield is now an award-winning filmmaker. Despite elaborate attempts at censorship, his documentary VAXXED: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe – the revelations of a vaccine scientist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention- changed the public mindset on the truth about vaccine safety. Wakefield’s is a story that starts with professional trust in the instincts of mothers, choice and consequences, a quest for truth, and perseverance against overwhelming odds.Andy has long pursued the scientific link between childhood vaccines, intestinal inflammation, & neurological injury in children.  Dr. Wakefield is the co-founder of the Autism Media Channel & the founder of 7th Chakra Films.  He is the director of his first major narrative feature, the recently released #Protocol7, co-written with Terry Rossio (Aladdin, Shrek, Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and Furious, Godzilla vs. King Kong).
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Interview recorded  25.6.24
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
I am delighted to have Dr. Andrew Wakefield with us today. Andrew, thank you so much for joining us today.
(Dr Andy Wakefield)
Peter, my pleasure.
Great to be here.
Great to have you. And your name will be well known, certainly to many Brits. And I live through what you faced just as a Brit consuming news. And we'll get into all of that. People can follow you @DrAndyWakefield on Twitter. And we're going to talk about your latest film, Protocol7.Movie. All the links will be in the description. So we will get to that. But I encourage people to not only look at your Twitter feed, but also look at the website for the film, which is literally just out. But you're the award-winning filmmaker of Vaxxed and many other films. And of course, the latest one just came out. Doctor, if I can bring us back a little bit, because you had a certain time where your name was massively out there and that was simply asking questions. I think a lot of us have woken up to maybe big pharma, have woken up to vaccines and their role over the last four years. And you were much earlier than many people in the public. But that Lancet MMR autism, and I think your Wikipedia probably says fraud more than any other Wikipedia I've ever read.
But you talked about that link between MMR, mumps, measles and rubella vaccine and autism. Maybe you could just go back and let us know your background, your medical background, and then what led up to you putting that out and maybe give us an insight into the chaos that ensued?
Certainly, Peter.
I was an entirely mainstream physician.
I graduated at St. Mary's Hospital in London, part of the University of London, one of six generations of doctors in my family to have graduated there.
And I ran a research team in gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital in North London and our principal interests were Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis inflammatory bowel disease, and in 1995 parents started contacting me and saying my child was perfectly fine they had an MMR vaccine in many cases and they regressed rapidly into autism, had seizures, lost speech, and language interaction with their siblings.
And ultimately they were diagnosed with autism, well I know I knew nothing about autism.
It was so rare when I was at medical school we weren't taught about it and I said you must have got the wrong number,.
They said the reason we're contacting you is my child has intractable bowel problems, failure to thrive, they're in pain, I know they're in pain even though they've lost the ability to communicate.
And the doctors and nurses that I've spoken to about this have said that's just part of autism, get over it, put them in a home, move on have another child.
It's an extraordinary situation and so we investigated these children I put together a very eminent team of physicians.
Who investigated these children and confirmed that the parents were right the children had I had an inflammatory bowel disease, and that's now been confirmed in multiple studies worldwide.
When we treated that bowel disease, then not only did the gastrointestinal symptoms improve, but the autism improved.
We didn't cure it, but the children, for example, started using words they hadn't used for five years.
It was quite extraordinary.
And so as academics, we said that didn't happen, and we did it 183 times, and it happened pretty much every time.
So, we then began to believe that there was something really very, very interesting.
So, when the parents said my child regressed after a vaccine, we had a professional and moral obligation to take that very seriously.
But that really flew in the face of government policy and pharmaceutical industry profiteering. And that was really the beginning of the end of my career.
The dean, Harry Zuckerman, took me aside and said, if you continue this vaccine safety research, it will not be good for your career.
In that, at least he was correct. And when you offend government policymaking and the bottom line for the pharmaceutical industry, really, there's no price you will not pay.
And people are now familiar with that. In the context of COVID, it's happened to many, many eminent doctors and scientists.
But at the time, this was was a novelty, the cancel culture was a novelty, the ability of the system to destroy your career if you stepped out of line was something really quite new.
And...
So, I moved to America, set up a centre there for here in Austin, Texas for autism.
They eventually destroyed my career there.
And so I thought, well, how can I continue to help this population?
And I'd been fascinated by filmmaking for a long time, screenwriting for a long time.
And what had happened, Peter, is that over the years, because of the position I'd taken, And people had come to me from the Department of Health in the UK or from regulatory agencies such as the CDC in the US or the industry, the vaccine manufacturers, and said, we've done a terrible thing.
Here is the evidence. We've committed fraud. And so I became a repository, if you like, for whistle-blowers.
And this story, the latest story, Protocol 7, I mean, my films have been made about these whistle-blowers, some of them.
And the latest story, Protocol 7, is one such whistle-blower, who came to me many years ago and presented to me the compelling story that ultimately we've turned into a major narrative feature film.
Well, we'll get into that, but the role of media, I mean, you had BBC Channel 4 with hit pieces against you and I'm sure many others.
What was that like?
Because you said you were kind of mainstream.
I remember that time as well, whenever I was mainstream, probably six years ago.
So, it was a little bit later due.
And you believe these institutions are positive.
They're about actually reporting the news.
And then you realize, actually, they're not.
What was that like whenever you had all these media outlets suddenly make you a target of their reporting?
Well, I think it really, part of it was Rupert Murdoch, his son, James Murdoch, was put onto the board of GlaxoSmithKline, Europe's biggest manufacturer of MMR, with the objective as a non-executive director of protecting that company's interests in the media, certainly the Murdoch media.
And his target was me and they came after me in the biggest way and in the wake of that you know channel 4 as you say and others followed suit.
It was very tricky. It was very difficult, because you didn't get to put the other side of it everything was heavily edited and it was just a relentless attack they were determined utterly determined that I committed fraud never committed scientific fraud in my life.
But you can destroy the career of a physician or scientist in five minutes, literally five minutes.
All you need is the headline and that's it.
And then you spend the rest of your life trying to.
Get back your reputation if ever.
And I abandoned that idea because it was, the issue wasn't about me.
It was about something far more important.
And as soon as I, you know, I stopped worrying about what the media might say about me and simply got on with the job of doing what I could to help these children, then a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders.
I just didn't worry about that anymore.
Say what they like.
I've got a job to do while I still have time on this planet.
And that was to advocate on behalf of these children and try and move the needle on the real pandemic, which is of childhood neurodevelopmental disorders.
I mean, it's in the media in the UK every day.
We're talking about one in just over 20 children in Northern Ireland, in Scotland, in the UK.
And this is an extraordinary level of a permanent serious neurological condition.
When I was at medical school, it was one in 10,000.
So what has happened?
Just to bring your listeners up to date, your viewers up to date. The CDC performed a study at my behest.
I told them, I said, look, I think that age of exposure is a major factor.
The younger you are when you get the MMR, the greater the risk.
It's not simply you get the MMR, you get autism.
That's not it.
There's got to be a co-factor associated with it.
And age of exposure is one, I believe.
Now, everybody is now familiar that the outcome from a viral infection, for example, COVID, is age-related.
The older you are with COVID, the greater the risk.
So everybody gets that now.
And I said this to them.
I said, I think that younger of age, your exposure is a major risk.
Why?
Because with natural measles, if you get it under one, you're at greater risk of a severe outcome than you are if you're over one.
There is an age-related risk.
So, they went away, they tested that hypothesis, and they confirmed that it was absolutely true.
And they spent the next 14 years covering up, destroying the data, destroying the documents and changing the results to say that MMR vaccine was safe.
And it was only when William Thompson, the senior scientist at the CDC who had designed the study, collected the data and analysed the data, had written the paper, came to me, came to a colleague of mine who came to me and said, we have done this terrible thing.
I can no longer live with it.
Here is the truth.
And that was the basis of the film Vaxxed. And it wasn't my opinion.
It wasn't my producer's opinion.
This was the senior scientist from the CDC responsible for the study confessing to this fraud.
What happened?
Nothing. No one was held accountable.
Absolutely appalling.
These people, these five scientists at the CDC and their superiors had. Committed fraud and put millions of children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease and done so wilfully, knowing that there was a risk.
And so I was appalled. And beyond that, I thought my filmmaking is going to expose people.
It's going to actually hold people accountable for what they've done.
Your study was, it was a small study, wasn't it?
I think it was what like a dozen or 16.
You're simply saying there does seem to be a link and it's surprising it could have been surprised, one time it should have been surprising, that actually a doctor who raises a concern that should surely be looked at and checked over instead of attacking but it wasn't a massive.
You were simply saying these this is the pattern that I'm seeing in the small number of patients that I'm looking at in this study.
That's absolutely right.
The way in which human disease syndromes are described is usually in a handful of patients who present with...
It's such a consistent pattern of signs and symptoms of clinical measures that they merit reporting in their own right.
And that's exactly what this was.
It couldn't test any hypothesis.
It couldn't come to any conclusions other than more research was needed.
It actually said this study does not confirm an association between the vaccine.
It doesn't.
It couldn't do.
It is merely reporting the parent's story.
And it was a very sober paper.
But of course, the media blew it up to claim that I had said MMR vaccine causes autism.
No, I didn't.
However, I would say that now in light of the CDC study, I would most certainly.
And it's their behaviour.
It's their need to commit the fraud and hide the data that is the most compelling evidence that there is this clear link.
They know there's a link, and rather than do something responsible about it they have put the children at continued risk.
In fact they've expanded the vaccine program dramatically, so they've put even more children at risk in my opinion.
No, completely and where many of us maybe may not have been anti-vaxxers five years ago we sure as hell are now so it's changed completely, but can I just ask you; you were up against the UK General Medical Council.
They're the ones that allow you to practice.
They're a judge and jury. It was like a few years investigation.
Then in 2010, they decided that you were no longer acceptable.
They struck you off.
Tell us about that, because I've talked to doctors recently during the COVID chaos who have fought for their right to continue to practice as doctors and they've struggled. You were doing this 14 years ago.
What was that experience at the General Medical Council?
It was difficult.
It was really difficult because there needn't have been a hearing.
They'd made up their minds before we even walked through the door.
The General Medical Council were under threat from the government of having their powers taken away and the government dictating policy such as right to practice and medical sort of ethics.
And they therefore were under scrutiny from the government.
They had to deliver on a decision, and they did.
Now, the reason I can say that is that their decision was contrived and indeed made up their minds before they even come to the hearing is that when it came for the first time before a proper judiciary, before the UK's sort of senior courts, if you like.
The judge was appalled by the GMC's behaviour.
He said, and this is in the trial of John Walker Smith, my colleague's appeal against the decision to strike him off, he said, this must never happen again.
It was really a political tool to destroy dissent.
Now, I appealed as well as John Walker Smith, but I was told by my lawyers that it would cost me half a million pounds to pursue that appeal.
I didn't have half a million pounds.
I didn't have anything.
So, the law belongs to those who can afford it.
And that's a fact, whether you live in America or whether you live in the UK.
Justice belongs to those who can pay for it.
And so there was no opportunity for me to have my case heard on its merits it was simply thrown out.
What we did do though when Brian Dear a journalist published in the British medical journal now claiming that I had committed fraud which is absolute nonsense.
We sought to sue him and the British Medical Journal in the state of Texas.
Now, that's where I lived.
That's where my reputation was damaged.
And that's where there was legal precedent that allowed us to sue them.
Because the BMJ is a journal, sells its wares, its journal, to Texas medical schools.
It profits from Texas medical schools.
And there is a long-arm statute in Texas that allows us to sue them for defamation.
Why would you, it costs about $3 million to sue someone for defamation.
Why would you even think of doing that in a situation where all of the evidence is going to be laid bare for the public to scrutinize?
Why would you do that if you committed fraud?
You wouldn't do it.
There was no fraud and therefore we had an extremely strong case and they knew it.
They absolutely knew it and and they did everything they could to get out of it.
Ultimately, the judge, the appeal court judges here ruled that we did not have jurisdiction.
That went in the face of all of the legal precedent.
We did not have jurisdiction. Indeed, the BMJ lawyers invoked Texas law in an attack on us.
I mean, it was extraordinary that we weren't allowed to sue them here in Texas.
This was a political decision from the highest level.
They did not want this case to go forward.
They They knew we were going to prevail, we were going to win, and that would have undermined their entire sort of years and years and years attacking me and others for suggesting that MMR vaccine might not be safe.
And so we were denied the opportunity to have the case heard on its merits, and that's where it remains.
Tell us about Vaxxed in 2016 from cover-up to catastrophe.
And that talks about the CDC and others destroying evidence to show that there could be a link between MMR and autism.
That's something which I think many of us over the last four years would probably accept that sounds plausible, definitely that makes sense, because of what we've seen with big pharma and the collusion with media and governments.
But this, you put this out prior to that happening probably in a world where maybe people may not accept that as much because there was more were trusting institutions.
But tell us about that film and the authorities wanting to destroy any evidence which would show there was a link.
Yes, that was a fascinating film because, as I say, it was an insider from the CDC who was intimately involved in the study that looked at age of exposure to MMR and autism.
And it clearly showed that the younger you were when when you've got the vaccine, the greater the risk of autism.
And that was in...
All children, boys in particular, and black boys above all.
For some reason, black children seem to be highly susceptible to this adverse vaccine reaction.
Now, we don't know the reason for that.
Further follow-up studies should have been done.
Now, when the CDC found this association, they had some clear options that would have been there available to them in the interests of the the American public.
They could have said, right, we can delay.
Let's suggest delaying this vaccine until it's safer.
And we have done a bigger, better study to confirm it or refute it.
That's what they should have done, to give parents the information, to give them the option.
But they didn't.
They trashed all of the documents.
They trashed the data.
They altered the results.
And they, for 14 years deceived the public, doctors, the government, everybody, and so it was a very powerful story and we made the documentary it got into the Tribeca film festival which for us was one of the sort of preeminent film festivals and then it was withdrawn, it was censored.
And I think that occurred because one of the sponsors of the film was involved in money management on Wall Street involving the pharmaceutical companies and also perhaps a sponsor of the Tribeca Film Festival.
And so, you know, this is what I hear, whether it's true or not, that remains to be seen.
But we were censored.
This is the first time this had ever happened at Tribeca Film Festival.
And it was a bad few days.
And then De Niro went on the television on the what's called Good Morning America and the Today Show, the big national shows and said, we should never have done that.
We should have played this film, everybody should have seen it and made up their own minds.
And suddenly there was an explosion of interest in this film that people had been banned from seeing.
And every attempt by the media to cover it up or De Niro's partner, Jane Rosenthal, to shut him down during interviews failed.
He was very angry, very angry. And it had the impact of spreading the news of this film worldwide.
And so what we saw at that point, which should have pre-empted COVID, was a major shift in people's perception.
They came to the movie theatre, they watched the movie, and they said, wow.
There is something, there's a problem here.
And then, of course, we had the COVID experience and the extraordinary mishandling and misconduct and lies and deception, about the disease, its origins, and the vaccines, so-called vaccine.
And public trust in the public health authorities has never been at such a low.
And it will never recover and the point peter is this is that they only have themselves to blame.
That is the truth.
It's no good then coming after me, or after you, or people who bring them the message or come from the clinic and saying this is what I see in these children.
They only have themselves to blame for their arrogance and their stupidity.
Now, 2016 it was about that specific link MMR and autism 2019 you widened it in vax 2and to look at actually side effects, vaccine harms, across a range.
And certainly the issue does not seem to just be one vaccine, there seems to be a range and we've seen that, and I know any parent will have had this conversation thought, any parent that actually is aware of conversations happening, and they will maybe have questioned the rush to jab children.
I will touch on the amount of jabs children now get, which is quite concerning, the rise of jabs.
But 2019, yeah, you widen it away from just MMR and concerns of side effects to this seems to be in many vaccinations.
Was that received differently or do you still have the the same uphill struggle.
Now, that film was not mine.
It was made by Brian Burrows and Polly Tommy.
And I was interviewed for that film, but it wasn't my movie.
But what happened, it was based upon a series of interviews. After Vaxxed, we went off across the country, principally Polly Tommy, interviewing thousands of parents about their experience.
And it emerged that other vaccines were involved as well.
And I'd come to this via a different route.
I came over to America to testify before Congress on the vaccine autism issue.
And there I became aware that the mercury in vaccines was a problem.
I wasn't aware of it before, that aluminium in vaccines was a problem.
And so it became clear that it is very likely that it's the actual toxic load that a child is presented with at a very early stage, rather than just being one vaccine or another.
Now, we'll never be able to discern the truth of that.
We know which vaccines are involved, which are more important or less important.
And this comes to a point you've made, is that they have so many vaccines now that how do you even begin to untangle the complexity, the permutations of how was it this vaccine or this one and this one together or these three or these 15?
We just don't know.
And I think there's almost been a deliberate attempt to expand the program without doing the appropriate safety research in order to make it virtually impossible possible to target any specific vaccine.
So, I think that my sort of current thinking on it, and had we been allowed to conclude our research without it being sabotaged, is that it is related to the toxic load.
And there is a study that has literally just come out from Brian Hooker.
Scientist with an affected child, that shows that there is an exponential increase in severe adverse reactions like autism with increasing load of vaccines.
The more you're given at one time, the greater the risk of an adverse reaction.
This dose response effect is very plausible and is very strong evidence of causation. So, the field is highly complex.
I'm quite certain that the sheer volume of vaccines that are given to children is way in excess of being safe.
I mean, way in excess.
And it has never been subjected to any formal clinical trial.
You know, is it safe to give multiple vaccines at the same time?
Hasn't been done.
Well, yeah let me poke, because the issue is supposedly we have had a vaccine that's tested over a 10-year period or whatever and then it's decided safe, but the amount of vaccines that children are given; there is absolutely no way you could do any long-term study on that number of combinations of vaccines.
So, it's completely into the unknown.
It is.
Now and here's the dilemma lemma is that when you take a pharmaceutical agent in the United States, for example.
Then it goes through years, literally sort of 10, 15 years of clinical trials, randomized control clinical trials using a placebo, an inert placebo, before it's deemed to be safe.
And yet with vaccines, that doesn't apply.
They're classified as biologics, and the bar is set very much lower for safety.
And so for the childhood vaccines, there has never been a proper long-term placebo-controlled randomized trial of safety.
And therefore, it is deceptive, entirely deceptive to say that these vaccines are safe.
They're not because they've never been subjected to the appropriate safety studies. And people need to know that.
People need to realize that.
It just has not been done. And it's now, you know, it's too late to close the gate.
The horse has bolted.
The vaccine safety studies are very difficult to do now, certainly prospectively.
Well, one thing I just, before I get into Protocol 7, one thing I realized traveling the States so much over the last couple of years is that you turn on a TV, so different from Britain, and you see an advert for medication and it tells you how wonderful this medication is.
And then half the advert is telling you the possible side effects and usually ends up with death. And you're thinking, that's the last thing I want to have.
But that's a world away, and that's just kind of pushed through and accepted that actually the side effect could be much worse than the disease or the issue that it's trying to address.
And you think, I sit and watch some of those adverts when I'm over in the States and think, how do we get to this situation where death is seemingly better than a headache?
It is bizarre and this direct consumer advertising that happens in America and the other the only other place it happens is New Zealand.
We don't, you know it doesn't happen in the UK, but it it's it's there's something more insidious about it, and that is the fact that the nightly news networks here way in excess of 70% of their income comes from the pharmaceutical industry advertising.
They could not sustain their operation, a news operation, in the absence of that pharmaceutical industry sponsorship.
And so, the industry controls the narrative the industry controls the editorial the headline they're not going to publish something and this happened to me I was interviewing with a girl called Cheryl Ackerson outstanding journalist who was at the the time at CBS.
And she said, Andy, when we have finished editing this sequence about vaccines and autism, I will get a call within, you know, in 15 minutes, I'll get a call from the money men on the top story, a top floor saying, you will not play this segment because our sponsors have said they'll pull their money.
Well, she was wrong.
It was five minutes later. It came five minutes later.
And that's the way they operate, I'm afraid.
So there is, over and above advertising their drugs, there is something far more sinister about the control, the influence that these drug companies have over American mainstream media. Fortunately, in the UK, that direct-to-consumer advertising does not exist.
So I want to jump on, which fits perfectly into Protocol 7, which seems to be about someone, a lawyer, small town, sees issues with Big Pharma, with the industry and wants to challenge.
And it is a David and Goliath, something I guess, as you alluded to, we're all up against with Big Pharma.
But tell us about this film, which is a story about a whistle-blower, but also going up against Big Pharma.
This is based on a true story whistle-blower who came to me many years ago at a meeting in Chicago and revealed this fraud within Merck in respect of its mumps vaccine.
And it's really a story more about the behaviour, how the industry behaves when confronted with a threat to its profiteering and its monopolistic sort of control of a vaccine in a country like America.
And it's against sort of set against the love and devotion the um intuition of a mother who happens to be a lawyer who fights who battles against the power of the industry.
And I'm not going to spoil the end for anyone but I urge people to see this film.
It is it's now won 27 film awards it's only just really come out.
It's got some wonderful reviews.
Very, very high scores on rotten tomatoes and IMDb, so the key to the success of this film is its dissemination is people watching it and we're planning our UK release our European release as well right now So when it comes, please support it.
Please get your friends and family to it.
Merck realized in the 90s that the Mumps vaccine wasn't working and they took, many, many steps to cover that up and to essentially defraud the American public, the medical profession and others.
And that's what the story is about.
And it's based upon documents, actual documents obtained from that company that confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened.
It's important in the context of safety.
And you may say, why is it?
The film really is about, or Merck's fraud, was about the efficacy, the protectiveness of the vaccine.
It wasn't working as well as they said it was working.
And that made it dangerous.
Why?
Because mumps in children is a trivial condition.
That's acknowledged by the CDC.
Mumps in post-pubertal adults is not trivial.
You risk suffering testicular inflammation and sterility or or ovarian inflammation, brain inflammation.
And so a vaccine that doesn't work or only works for a limited amount of time will make you susceptible to mumps again when you're past puberty, when you're in that at-risk period. And so a vaccine that doesn't work makes it a dangerous vaccine.
It makes mumps a more dangerous disease.
And this is a very important thing to understand within the context of mumps.
Merck certainly knew about it and continued to defraud the public despite that.
So yeah, it's a very, very important film over and above the issue of mumps.
It's about how the industry responds to threats that really sort of compromise its ability to earn revenue, make profits, and maintain a monopoly.
Because I think people often forget, and maybe have woken up during the COVID tyranny, that these institutions, they exist to make money for their shareholders.
They don't really exist to make a product which makes you better.
Their primary aim is the share price for shareholders, just like any company.
And if they make a product that actually helps you, then to me, that's a bonus.
Is that too cynical a view of the industry?
No, it's absolutely true.
And they wouldn't deny that.
They would say, we're here as a business to make money.
We're here as a business to serve our shareholders, our stockholders, first and foremost.
That's not ambiguous at all.
They would admit to that.
The problem comes when everything's fine and they're making good drugs and they're benefiting people.
That's fine.
It's how the industry responds when something goes wrong.
And for example, with Merck and Vioxx, the drug that, you know, was notoriously unsafe.
But, you know, they knew at the time of licensing that there were problems. It was causing strokes and heart attacks.
It was estimated, I think, that many hundreds or thousands of people suffered as a consequence of that drug.
In the litigation in Australia, where Merck were, really, their heads were on the block about this.
They uncovered some, in discovery, they uncovered documents which were an exchange between Merck employees about what to do about doctors who criticized their drug.
And they said, we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live.
This is not conspiracy theory.
This is company policy.
There you have these guys saying, we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live.
Okay, so these are the kind of people with whom you're dealing.
Tell us, because we hear that these companies are beyond the legal sphere.
They have protections and safeguards within countries, and it doesn't matter what side effects that the drug causes, they have this legal protection.
I mean, is that the case, or is there a way of actually using the legal system to actually go after these companies?
Or is it a slap on the wrist?
Sometimes they pay out money to different governments and they say: oops
Well there there is and it's interesting the national childhood vaccine injury act in this country in America in 1986 took away liability financial liability from the drug companies for death and injury caused by childhood vaccines on the recommended schedule.
Now, that was a gold mine for the industry because they had mandatory markets.
Kids had effectively to get vaccinated to go to school and no liability.
All they could do was make a profit. But the legal system does work sometimes.
And in the context of COVID and the so-called COVID vaccine.
There's just been a ruling, I think, by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that has said COVID vaccine is not a vaccine.
It doesn't protect against disease and it doesn't stop transmission.
Ergo, it is not a vaccine.
Now, once it's not a vaccine, by ruling of the court, it's not covered by the indemnity.
It's not covered by the government protecting the industry.
Suddenly, they're on their own.
And that really raises some very interesting legal possibilities that is for litigation in this country.
So, we'll see what happens.
But there will be every effort by the government to side with the pharmaceutical industry to prevent them being sued, I'm quite sure, because that's what happened.
But let's hope that the judges see it differently.
I just want to end off on people's response to you because you were maligned, attacked.
The media tried to discredit you.
You then moved to the US. You lost your medical license.
But these films you're putting out, they tell a compelling story.
Tell us about how you feel these films have woken people up, maybe in a way that back whenever this happened to you 25 years ago, the opening was not there for the same ability to win people over.
The opening does seem to be here now, maybe because of COVID, maybe people are more aware, maybe because of alternative media.
But tell us about the message you're putting out in these films and kind of the response you're getting.
Thing well really the films are made in a way that they're entirely up to the protocol seven, these were entirely factual documentary films and so vax for example if there'd been any word of a lie, if we'd got something wrong, we would have we've accused these scientists at the CDC of the worst sort of humanitarian crime.
Their job was to protect these children they did completely the opposite.
The hypocrisy goes way beyond what we've seen before and so if there had been a problem.
We would have been sued to the moon and back again and there wasn't and they why because they know that it's true.
And that's a very powerful thing and the same comes now with protocol 7 even though it's a narrative feature film.
If there was something in that film that was defamatory of Merck, then they would come after us.
They may well do because they're big and rich and powerful, certainly far more powerful than we are.
But that's not a reason. Not to get the story out.
My commitment is, my duty is to the public, not to Merck or to the government or indeed to the whistle-blower, but to the public who are being harmed.
And so never make a decision based in fear.
This is something I've learned over the years.
If the story has merit, if it's honest, if it's true, if it has integrity, then you get it out there and, you know, let the cards fall where they may.
Yeah completely.
I want to ask you about funding, because it's everything costs money.
It is actually, it takes a lot of work not only finance but expertise and research to put anything like this out and you know you're going up against an industry that will attack you in any opening any any chink in your armour.
Was it difficult to actually raise funding to put these films together?
Initially, it was.
You know, this is my fifth film, and initially it was difficult, because people said, well, you're a physician.
You know, what are you doing making films?
Now they say, they're much more inclined to say, you've proven you can do it.
Get on and make the next one.
It's not easy, particularly in the current climate, I mean, Hollywood itself is in the doldrums; filmmaking, but the people still want meaningful films they want films that count films like Sound of Freedom and others that they really mean something that are worth going to the movie theatres to watch.
And so that's the kind of film that we're making and hopefully we'll be able to continue to do it.
I just can ask you about the last last thing about those who want to be part of what's happening, supporting the film as it comes out. I mean, how do they play a part?
They can go, obviously, to the website, protocol7.movie, make sure and follow that, and they can follow your Twitter.
But if they want to say, actually, I believe this message, it's so true, I have friends, family, actually suffering side effects, not only MMR, but across the board, and I want to make sure this message gets out. How can they play a part in doing that?
One thing they can do, I mean, if they're immensely rich, they can fund the next film.
If they're not, then they can help.
People can help by going to the website and clicking on Pay It Forward.
And this is a way of, we saw it with Sound of Freedom.
It was very successful, a way of providing tickets for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a ticket to go and watch the movie, or for people who might not be inclined otherwise to go.
In other words if there if there is an incentive to get a free ticket they may go and then be persuaded.
And so it's a way of helping other people to access the film.
When they might not otherwise be able to or be inclined to do that so pay it forward is a very useful device.
And of course on the website you can pass on the trailer and make sure people watch that and get ready for it.
Please do.
Now, the success of the film comes down to the public.
And that means, you know, your listeners, your viewers.
So, we're very, very grateful for any help in that respect.
And Sound of Freedom did that to a degree we hadn't seen before.
And I encourage the viewers and listeners to do the same for Protocol 7. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, it is an honour to have you on and someone who I read all the stuff. In the late 90s and probably believed a lot of it that uh how times change and it's great to have you on and thank you for what you're doing on getting the message out on the link between the pharmaceutical industry and side effects.
Well thank you so much.
My pleasure thank you for having me on.

The Week According To . . . Betty

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Dr Shea Bradley-Farrell - Last Warning to the West: Hungary’s Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda

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Dr. Shea Bradley-Farrell joins Hearts of Oak to discuss Hungary's triumph over communism and the importance of nationalism in preserving sovereignty.  She draws parallels between Hungary's history and current US events, emphasizing faith's role in preserving societal values. Dr. Shea discusses the conservative gap in foreign policy, her book, "Last Warning to the West," and the significance of faith in upholding principles. She highlights Hungary's resistance against the EU's narrative, praises CPAC Hungary for conservative collaboration, and calls for a revival of faith to counter liberal agendas, stressing unity in upholding fundamental principles. 
'Last Warning to the West: Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda' available in paperback and e-book on Amazon  https://amzn.eu/d/02lNB8Ma
Shea Bradley-Farrell, PhD is President of Counterpoint Institute for Policy, Research, and Education (CIPRE) in Washington, D.C.  Dr. Shea is an expert in foreign policy and aid, national security, international development, and women's issues. She is the author of Last Warning to the West: Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda, published in December 2023. Dr Shea worked directly with the Trump administration, including Sec. Mike Pompeo and Senior Advisor Ivanka Trump, on multiple issues while serving as the VP of International Affairs for Concerned Women for America. Most recently she was professor and subject matter expert for the Defense Security Cooperation University (DSCU) of the U.S. Department of Defense. Dr. Shea possesses an active U.S. security clearance.Dr. Shea publishes Op-eds in outlets such as RealClear Politics, Human Events,  NewsMax,  National Review,   Daily Signal,  The Washington Times, The European Conservative,  Daily Caller, The Hill, Washington Examiner,  the Federalist and many others.  She is a weekly contributor to SiriusXM Patriot Stacy on the Right (Wednesdays 10 p.m.), and a contributor to Victory News TV. She is a regular guest on multiple TV news and radio shows. Dr. Shea presents at conferences all over the world such the Wilson Center for International Scholars, U.S. Department of State, the Foreign Services Institute,  the Heritage Foundation, CPAC Hungary 2022 and 2023, and the Gulf Studies Symposium.Dr. Shea holds a Ph.D. and M.S. from Tulane University, where she was Adjunct Lecturer in the International Development Studies Program in 2015. In 2014, she was Visiting Research Fellow at the Center for Gulf Studies at the American University of Kuwait.  She is a member of the Texas Public Policy Foundation's Border Security Coalition and former Affiliated Faculty and Policy Fellow at George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government. As an international development professional, Dr. Shea has traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America delivering capacity building and training assistance to international partners. She has hands-on experience with project design and management, budgeting, curriculum design and development, recruitment, and grants management. She is well-schooled in USAID programming and policies has worked with a variety of international donors including World Bank, Exxon, FedEx, and Kuwait Foundation for the Advancement of Science.
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(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to have Dr. Shea Bradley-Farrell with us. Shea, thank you so much for your time today.
(Dr Shea Bradley-Farrell)
It's an honor to be with you, Peter. Thanks for having me.
Not at all. Lots to talk about. And of course, your book to start off with. Let me just, actually, let me ask you a little bit about yourself. And then we will bring up the book. And this last warning to the West, all the links are in the description. Hungary's Triumph Over Communism and the Woke Agenda. because you've got some phenomenal recommendations on the back that I read those and thought, actually, I'll just give the recommendations and then that's enough. That's literally enough. With Tucker, with Lou Dobbs, with Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and Congressman Paul Gosser so much. We will get into that in a couple of minutes.
And don't forget, Kari Lake wrote the foreword.
Trust me, we're getting to Kari Lake. She's not on the back, but she's on the front. We're getting to Kari Lake. I read that and thought, wow.
But we'll get into the book. And the warning that is, I think, to the West, and I've been to Hungary many, many times. But, Shea, firstly, with you, you are, I mean, you're an expert in so many areas. In the foreign policy and aid, international development, you work directly with the Trump administration. You're regularly in the media with video appearances and lots of op-eds. And you've been instrumental, I think, in setting up CPAC Hungary, which is so needed. And of course, you head up Counterpoint Institute for Policy Research and Education. We'll get into all of those. The links are there @drshea__dc is your Twitter handle and counterpointinstitute.org is the website for the work you do. And our US audience, Shea, will know who you are from your many media appearances. Our UK side probably don't. So could I ask you to take a moment and introduce yourself, especially to our UK audience?
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I actually, my background is as an international development professional. You mentioned that and a professor, an academic, traveled throughout the Middle East, Africa.
Some in South America, doing development work, mainly focused on helping women better their businesses, whether it was a very small business of maybe harvesting salt, you know, once waters receded in Africa to a very big multi-million dollar companies because economic development is the best, in my opinion, the best form of foreign aid because then people really learn how to take care of themselves.
And it builds great relationships between our country and other countries. So anyway, when I came to D.C., that's what I was doing. But being here just for a very short time is when I finally figured out that if I did not get myself into this real battle for our freedom, that I was going to eventually lose my country and lose my freedom. So the story kind of goes on from there. But yes, I worked with an organization called Concerned Women for America. It's the largest public policy organization run by women in the US. And I built an international affairs department there. And I worked alongside, as you said, the Trump administration in that position, working with Secretary Pompeo and Ivanka Trump on different issues having to do with economic development and human rights. And it was a great learning place for me and continued with policy. And I decided to start my own organization, Counterpoint Institute, because there are so few conservatives in the foreign policy realm. I only know one other development professional who is a conservative, which is very interesting.
But there was a real hole there in our policy, in our country, in the guidance and leadership of our country. And so I have focused on myself on foreign policy and national security as is my background. And we're doing quite well, Peter. So thanks for having me on again.
We want to get on the book. And at the beginning, your image was mirrored. We're not going to stop it because I know your time is short, Shea. You're in very big demand because of all the work you're and especially the book. And you mentioned Kari Lake did the foreword. Let me bring up... And this is an image of the book, Last Warning to the West, Hungary's Triumph over Communism and the Woke Agenda. As I said, you've got Tucker Carlson on the back. You've got Lou Dobbs, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and Congressman Paul Gosser, all household names recommending what you're putting in as a call, as a warning call to the West on what Hungary has been in over its thousand year history. And, of course, you mentioned Kari Lake has written the foreword.
Maybe you begin the book talking about your trip to Hungary. You were there 2019. You talk about the first time and your experiences.
I was actually, because I worked in Bulgaria for two and a half years, and I actually was in Hungary for the first time in 1998 and many times since. And I shared the experiences you mentioned of driving through the suburbs, seen that communism blocks and think, wow, in Bulgaria, I got that 10 times to that degree. But you've traveled extensively. Why has your heart settled on Hungary?
Well, you know, the Hungarians have a real will to survive and I'm a survivalist also, a survivor. And so I take great pride in that, in them. I think that they've, they're amazing. They became a Christian country over a thousand years ago, and since then they've had the Ottoman Turks in, the Mongols, the Habsburgs, you know, the Nazis occupied them, the Soviet Union, and still they retain their very unique Hungarian identity. I mean, that is even reflected in the fact that no other country in the world, no other people in the world speak Hungarian.
But Hungarians, right? It's very interesting. And I think that they're a real example of holding on to their true nationalism. And nationalism in the purest sense of the word means just pride in your own country. It's a collection of people who come together and agree on the same sort of laws and economic systems and the way we're going to do our society. That's what nationalism is. And it's been perverted, of course, by Nazis, for one.
But the sense of nationalistic pride in its purest form is not a bad thing. It's a good thing because it strengthens a country. And that's a real reflection of what Hungary is and the people. And they have fought for their survival for so long. And I'm sure you know, to reference somebody probably that you know well, Peter, is Sir Roger Scruton, who is well-loved in Hungary. Because during the Soviet occupation, you know, he worked in the underground bringing information and books to people in those Soviet satellites. He was arrested, actually, also during that time. He helped bring networks together of communication. And anyway, I quote him in my book, and I can't remember the quote. Maybe I could pull it around and read it to you. But it pointedly says, you know, this is a big paraphrase, Hungary went through occupation, and then the wall came down after 46 years of the Soviet Union being in there telling them what to do, being that authoritarian power, right?
Well, what he says in this quote is, you know, just because the wall came down, it doesn't make it any less true if the EU is doing the same thing to Hungary. This top-down decision-making, telling them that they must accept this radical gender theory nonsense and teach it to their children, telling them that they must accept mass influx of immigration into their country. They must enter, you know, in their way of thinking, giving money to the Ukraine war to weapons is entering the war. And there are many reasons they don't want to do that. And the EU has sanctioned Hungary for all of those, all of those things, keeping money, billions of dollars away from them because of their sovereignty and what they believe is right for their own country. And we can talk about that and explain it. But the point is, is that the EU has become, you know, what it was never meant to be. It wasn't meant to be a decision making body over the sovereignty of other countries in the EU. And Hungary has fought back against that. And I think that they're a real example to the United States. And that's where the book ended up coming from. Oh, last point. This is what kicked it off. I was over there doing research about the national identity and the survival of the Hungarians, not really knowing where the book was going to go.
And people kept saying to me, Shea, you understand that the rhetoric coming out of the United States reminds us of our Soviet era, right? I mean, what a gut punch. No, really.
And walking that back, and I'd love to talk more about this, but I'm going to shut up and pause for a minute, Peter. But walking that back, you know, for the past hundred years, the Marxism coming out after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communism that the U.S. was fighting in the 50s. Everything is very much parallel to what's going on in the United States today. And so that's why the book became a warning, the last warning to the West, and written specifically for Americans, really, and others from Western nations that are dealing with the same things we are.
Right. There are so many threads to pick up from there. Let me start with, I mean, Hungary should be an insignificant country. It's just got 10 million people, and I love your mug. (Shea shows her British Union Flag drinking mug)
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Mine is a spitfire, so I go…
This was actually not on purpose, but I'm hoping it gets me a few points.
Oh, it does. You don't need any more, trust me. But I mean, Hungary should be insignificant. Small country, 10 million people on the edge of the Balkans in Eastern Europe, yet everyone knows who Victor Orban is. It's taken a position which is much larger than it actually should have. I mean, as an American, how do you see that as actually happened?
You know, and I started the book out talking about that, because who, really, Americans are so isolated. Most of them had no idea where Hungary was, right, or anything about them. And all of a sudden, they're on the world stage. Victor Orban is a friend of Trump. Trump is shaking his hand and inviting him to have meetings. And it's really because of, really the bullying of the EU, I believe, is where it started, because there were so many articles and news stories written that maligned Hungary and these sanctions. And Hungary stood up and fought back. I mean, Orban was part of the movement that pushed the Soviets out of Hungary. He started the Fidesz party back then, before the Soviets ever left. He was actually a youth alliance at that time, a youth party, a party of the youth that was anti-communist. So he is a real fighter and he has a lot of people in his administration who are real fighters and they don't want the woke agenda. They feel like, hey, we just got our freedom back in 1991. Stop telling us what to do. So I think it has a lot to do with the press maligning them and then Trump hugging them, embracing Orbán and looking at Hungary as an ally in this fight against Marxist nonsense.
This woke Marxist cultural nonsense.
And that has increased because our own administration now under the Biden administration.
Our ambassador in Hungary is very antagonistic against Hungary. So I just think their will and their will to do what they believe is right for their own people. And on all three of those issues I mentioned earlier, they've done a citizen referendum. Do you want to be involved in the war? Do you want mass immigration? Do you want radical gender theory in your schools? And the overwhelming majority of people voted no.
So in my way of thinking, that is real sovereignty, respecting the sovereignty of your people, of your country, if the EU would stop this. But the Biden administration continues this antagonizing, I call it, because it truly is. And I think that's had a lot to do with it.
We'll touch on your ambassador and it kind of shows where America currently sits. But you mentioned the EU and Orban's stand, I think, against cultural Marxism and the woke agenda has made him an absolute enemy of the EU, like no other figure I've seen within the EU. And I think he's now getting fined so much per day because of the stand against mass migration. And he's a target of the Western media and of all the organs of the deep state. And you see them working across. I mean, tell us how you view that. This is one man, small country, standing up against the EU. 10 million people in Hungary, half a billion in the EU. And everything that Orbán stands for is different than the entity of the European Union. I think that's a lesson for Americans to learn to be very careful who you actually place yourself under.
Yeah, that's exactly Exactly right. And, you know, it really goes back to something that you mentioned, you know, this guy Daniel Frund, I believe is how you say his last name, in the EU. I mean, he's taken it on himself. It's made...
He's made it his business to post things on his social media that are clearly very discriminatory against Hungary.
And he's made it, he's an example, I think, of the anger that many on the liberal left, the radical left get simply because you don't do what they want you to do, simply because you don't believe what they believe. And Hungary was perfectly fine with not trying to change them, but they're trying to change Hungary. And as I said before, they've had the Ottoman Turks, the Habsburgs, the Nazis, the Soviets. They want to protect their beliefs. Like I said, they respect God. They're a Christian country. They respect the family. They actually put in their constitution a few years ago that the woman is the mother and the father and the man is the father, you know, against this gender nonsense.
And it made the EU extremely angry. And that's been part of the problem. And yeah, so a lot of this comes from anger. But I will touch on something else you said that I worked a lot against, during the Trump administration, trying to unravel the Obama years on this. The United States got way out of line on foreign aid. And what we've ended up doing, I believe it started under Obama. I don't know that it went a lot further back, but we've begun pushing our own progressive social agenda through our foreign aid with things called like being LGBT in Asia, being LGBT and whatever. And so, I wrote an article a couple months ago and it was in Peru, that's where it was, that we are funding transgender ballroom dancing in Peru. I mean, this kind of nonsense instead of real help, real development help, humanitarian help.
We are pushing our social progressiveness, I always do this because it's actually backwardsness, onto other countries. And in my job, you know, for years now, I've had people come from Africa, from the Middle East, from Eastern Europe, from South America, come and say to me, can you help us? Because your country has told us we can't have this money unless we do this, which is against our religion, whether it's something that's promoting abortion, promoting homosexuality. It's not what our people want to do. But your country is pushing this. And it's a real problem. And we're doing it again under the Biden administration. And that's what's going on in Hungary and other countries, for sure, all over the world. And I'm sorry, I apologize.
Well, actually, that fits into what the EU and the UK are doing, that we tie a lot of our aid, especially to abortion being healthcare, and you need to abort as much as you can, and the whole LGBT agenda, especially in the education and media. So we are doing exactly the same. But you mentioned the ambassador, and you talk about him being a big advocate and representative of LGBT community. And that must be a slap in the face to a country that is a conservative Christian country. And the left put that in place, obviously Biden put them in place purposefully, knowing that we are going to push our agenda as America and it's irrelevant to what you think. But we have exactly the same issues in the EU and UK, pushing that agenda on developing countries.
Yeah. And it's stepping out of line. It's stepping over the sovereignty of other countries, over their religious freedom, over their scientific freedom when you get down to the transgender stuff. Our ambassador, David Pressman is his name.
Evidently, there was a small story about it. It was part of Obama's LGBT. Obama promised to spend millions and billions on promoting ideology. And I, can I make this clear? Because this is something I've worked on as well. Obama and Biden are spreading an ideology, teaching children in some of these programs, you know, here's the color purple, we're celebrating transgender stuff. It's ideology they're pushing. What they should be doing is looking and seeing in the countries, if homosexuals, if whatever, are being imprisoned or persecuted for some, you know, in some way. That should be addressed as a human rights issue. You know, ISIS beheading homosexual men. This is where the U.S. should be involved, not in spreading an ideology.
And I was going to tell you something else, Peter, but I've gotten off on that tangent. What was..
It's like the Matt Walsh documentary, What is a woman, talking to people in Africa and they're saying, what do you mean a man can be a woman, it's madness,
It's madness, yes and I had a friend who spoke at the UN from Africa who grew up in this village, you know, where, here was her point at the UN, we need roads so I can get my children to the doctor, we need hospitals. We need water where we live. We don't need abortion. That's not development. Going back to our ambassador. So first of all.
He helped Obama with this. Second of all, in his confirmation hearing, he was already calling Hungary a democratic backsliding country, aligning them with China and Russia. And if you look at his social media, most of this is because of the LGBT thing. And he promotes that agenda far more than anything else on his social media. He's militant about it. He's hung up and obsessed on it. He is married to a man. He has two little boys, I believe, with this man. Now, I've spent lots and lots of time in Hungary, been there many times at this point. I've seen homosexuals walking around. Nobody cares if that's what you want to do. But he was put in there as an antagonizing aspect for his beliefs alone and, you know, his obsessive promotion of it. And the real thing that clinches this is that he uses that to say that Hungary is backsliding in democratic values, that Hungary is a human rights abuser.
There is no put your finger on anything that Hungary has done to abuse human rights. In fact, you know, ironically, I think this was on the Human Rights Council Committee, whatever the name of the organization website, this uprising of LGBT people in Hungary. So, oh, it's terrible because Hungary is oppressing them because here's this uprising. Well, the point, you know, that I was trying to make during this time was these people have the freedom to uprise and say we don't like things. That's a democratic society.
So what's happening is the Biden administration wants everybody to agree with them. You know, that's the real issue. If you don't agree with them, then you're a human rights abuser. And that's wrong. It's deceptive and it's taking the focus off of real needs, you know, around the world that the U.S. could be focused on.
I know, exactly. A key part of, if you go go through Hungary's history from its establishment in the 9th century, so you've got 1,000 years of history, all the way up to the Ottoman Empire, 1800s, you go up to communism in the 1900s and how Hungary was able to overthrow that, along with the rest of Eastern Europe.
And that's 1,000-year history. It's, I mean, four times longer than the US has been there, and they fought for their national identity over that time. It does seem as though Hungary is a kind of roadmap for successfully preserving your national identity. Is that what you've seen in your time looking at Hungary?
Yeah, I believe so, Peter. And, you know, I did interviews for the Bucs, some with senior government officials and some with just regular people out in the country. And there was an older gentleman I talked to in his late 80s that had been there during the Soviet siege of Budapest, where they fought against the Nazis and pushed the Nazis out. He was just a little boy at the time. And he and his family were in one of the basements there where the castle is, now where the castle is in Hungary. And, you know, he recounts some really terrible things like the soldiers raping women just as a matter of method even to keep the people pressed down. But, you know, I asked him, in fact, he had this great attitude and he had lived most of his life up until 1991 under Soviet occupation. And I asked him, how is it that Hungarians are still so positive?
How is it that they hold so fast to their family because the Russians, the communist ideology, was to divide people from family, to divide people from religion, to divide people from their national identity. They took Hungarians' holidays away from them, their national holidays.
They told them they had to take crosses down off the walls and put the communist leader pictures up there. These are are just some small examples, but they tried to recreate Hungarian history and identity according to what the communists wanted it to be. And I said, how are you guys still so Hungarian, so family oriented, so focused on God and your country? And he said it really went back to Christianity and their families, that when he was a little boy, his mother, you know, would teach them in the house about their religion, about their faith, about right and wrong, freedom and liberty.
And then they would go to school and under the eyes of the communists, they would act a different way. But always at home, it was still being imparted to them, you know, the national identity of the Hungarians, their freedom, the importance of their sovereignty. And I had some other gentlemen that were older say pretty much the same thing. So I think it's something, I think it's that, and I think it's this will to survive. They've been through it for centuries, and they keep having to do it. And as somebody said to me, a few people said to me, is that America doesn't remember what it's like not to be free. We've been around like you said a lot less time than Hungarians have and they were dealing with this until recent history in 1991. So there are many people still alive that remember what it was like under the sovereignty of the Soviet Union.
You talked about faith, and I think the position of God is quite central. And of course, the EU have rejected God, and whenever they wrote the Constitution, they specifically and purposely removed any references to Christian history in Europe and any reference to God. And that puts it at odds with Hungary. I mean, there are many nations in Europe that are still very strongly, devoutly Christian. You've got Malta, Finland, Austria, Bulgaria, where I lived, and the Orthodox Church there is very strong. Italy, well known for their strong faith. Slovakia, you go to Greece, and the Orthodox Church is so strong, Greece.
But sadly, I guess none of those countries have an Orban. But how do you look on it as an American where Christianity is still a central part? I know times are changing. How do you look on it in not only Hungary, but many of those countries across Europe where faith, where your relationship with God is quite central in culture, not necessarily in politics? I mean, how did you see that as an American, as a Christian?
In relating it to Hungary, you mean, or in Europe?
Yeah, just generally your time there and how you as a Christian, as a conservative, and your parts of Hungary and Europe that are traditionally Christian, and yet the leadership doesn't necessarily represent that. But Hungary does seem to be different.
You know, they say that they're a Christian nation. I mean, even the government will say that. It's not, you know, it's not like a theocracy or anything like that, but they're very proud of the fact that a thousand years ago, King Istvan made them the easternmost western country of the empire, a Holy Roman Empire, and they took on Christianity. He thought it would be good for the alliances and the economic prosperity of Hungary, and they've continued to hold on to that.
You know, my experience going through Europe is sometimes I'm very surprised at how there are many people there that still have a real relationship as Christians with Jesus Christ. They have a real relationship as Jews with God, and they're really holding fast those principles. In other places that I've been, I think I've been a little bit disappointed that the religion has has turned in sort of this secular kind of religion. Like this is what our morals are based on, yet we're not really practicing any sort of religion where we are saying there is a power that's more important than we are. And while I still think that it's good that some societies are still based on this moral approach, understanding of Christianity or Judaism, I'm concerned that generations will go by if people are not actually practicing that religion, reading their Bibles, praying, that generations will go by and even that moral foundation will slip away. Am I explaining that right?
No, you are. You're right. There is a disconnect between the history and people's personal relationship with Jesus. And you see the church, especially in the Nordic countries, in Germany, and many parts, have become woke and have abandoned that clarion call they should have. But yet many parts of Eastern Europe still hold on to that. And Christianity, whether that's a personal relationship with Christ, part of it is cultural Christianity, but that is still embedded in the culture, where in many other parts of Europe that's been rejected.
That's exactly right. But what I'm concerned about is that in those places where it's still based on Christianity, if people still are not praying and reading their Bibles and learning what their religion is and what it should mean to them in their lives, that eventually that moral fabric will leave. And I think that is what is happening in America, is so few people are going to church now as generations ago. So few people think about praying when they have a problem, you know, before they go off and do whatever it is. And we've gotten to the point where cutting children's body parts off is okay.
That is moral depravity. So that's what I'm concerned about, Peter. I've seen it happen here. And I actually, I was talking to, I think it was an official, a government official, yes, about this. Like, are you concerned that the secular, because this person even said to me, it's more of a secular religion, secular Christianity. It's like a foundation of it. That was just his point of view. There are other people that were practicing. But I said, you know, aren't you concerned that eventually this moral fabric will be broken up? And he didn't seem to be too concerned about it, but I am.
I agree. Whenever the church begins to promote and advocate abortion and sexualization of children, you know that we are in a difficult, dangerous pit. And I get that. We need a huge revival.
Tell me how it's been welcomed in America, this book, because there are many books about, you know, Republicans, Red Wave, MAGA. You've got thousands and thousands of them. This book is quite different. It's looking outside, which maybe is different from the traditional conservative books that are available in the US. Tell me how it's been received and some of the conversations you've had with people as you've gone around and promoted the book.
It's actually been received very well. I've been on tons of media for it. People reaching out to me such as yourself that wanted to hear more about it. I think because they're fascinated by the fact that I'm showing the parallels of Hungary under communist control.
And actually, I want to go go back to that in just a second. But even like C-SPAN, C-SPAN came and recorded my, I had a book launch in New York and a book launch in DC in February. The New York one was December, 2023. But in February at the Hungarian embassy, C-SPAN came and recorded it and put it on, you know, their book TV, their Washington journal, and even on their radio. Because I think that, I'm an academic, I'm a researcher. So some people find the book a little daunting, a little heavy because of all the sources and citations and documentation that I use in it. But that's what I do. There are many people that appeal to a different crowd, I think, in America that just say, they're more like someone who impart a message that people need to hear. But I'm trying to say, look at the history, look at the history, and you know that we're in trouble. I put in the book, Peter, the 11 points of communist psychological warfare, which were written, published by our Department of Defense in 1959, so that our professionals would recognize communist psychological warfare and combat it, 1959. I put these in the book because every point is parallel to the United States today. And I wanted to show that, you know, the fact that the Hungarians were saying that we are, the rhetoric coming out of the U.S. reminds them of the Soviet days. If you even just walk that back to the Bolshevik revolution and the Marxism during that time, even I did not know that they were pushing abortion at that time as health care. This is not anything new, that that was coming out of their division between, parents and their children, was coming out of that, the Marxism at that time, between people and religion. But looking, just let me give you a couple of points from the communist psychological warfare points. Like I said, they're all in my book, and then I put up just a little brief description underneath of how it relates to the United States. One of the points is using a crisis to gain control. And we saw during the COVID pandemic, vaccine mandates where thousands of people lost their jobs because they wouldn't put an unknown substance into their body, their own body.
Vaccine mandates, lockdowns all over the world, actually. The detention camps in Australia were the ones that really freaked me out. But other examples, the government gaining control of propaganda bodies, that was actually one of the first steps of Sovietization that the Soviet Union would do in satellite countries. But it's also one of those points where the government will control the information going out. And certainly in the United States, the mainstream media is led and influenced by our administration. It is so far left. It is so, in my lifetime, it's never been so un-journalistic. But even farther than that, you know, the Biden administration is going through litigation right now because it's been accused of suppressing entire bodies of ideas of Americans on social media, collaborating with with Facebook and X or Twitter at the time, and other platforms to suppress people's views on the 2020 election, COVID-19, on Hunter Biden's laptop.
And we find out just a couple of weeks ago that they're doing it again. So I'll stop there. Those are just two examples of the points.
But it's really concerning.
I find it actually is an easy read. It is 350 pages, but you've got a thousand years of history to touch on. So you go through, I think, marvellously well. And it is available. I read it as an e-book. It is available as a paperback. Let me just... That is Last Warning to the West, Hungary's Triumph over Communism and The Woke Agenda, with a foreword by Kari Lake, as you mentioned. Just very last point on CPAC Hungary, because it's been fascinating your involvement with that, and I think that brings what is, it's a fascinating connection between Hungary and the US, because it's the first time CPAC has launched in Europe. I think Hungary is a fantastic country to start that in. And maybe just to end off, just mentioning that, because that brings up to the current present tense and also shows that bridge between Hungary and America, which I think can be key whenever, whenever Trump regains the White House.
Yeah, I think it's a good point. So CPAC Hungary started three years ago. I spoke the first two years. I wasn't able to go this year. But the organization that started CPAC Hungary is the same organization that published my book, the Center for Fundamental Rights. They're a conservative think tank there in Hungary. And I was a fellow for them for about a year and a half, senior fellow. And it was a great experience. And they have done a fantastic job with CPAC Hungary. Strange that there's no other CPAC in Europe. But they really set out to build collaboration between countries and certain aspects of the countries that were conservative. And they've done a fantastic job with that because, you know, they've also built relationships in Spain, in Italy with different conservative organizations.
And we see that all over the world now. In fact, we go back a couple of weeks ago. It seemed that the EU in the elections for the European Parliament went a bit to the right. So I do believe that things going on like CPAC Hungary help influence that. And, you know, I have conservative friends now down in Argentina and in Italy. And like I said, Spain and Hungary and all these different places. And we collaborate together, help each other, support each other. And I believe, this is my theory, that in many countries, the majority of the people are still wanting to support family, are still respecting their religion, still love their homeland. And I think the liberal left in the form of the European Union and the Biden administration and the media all over the world is announcing to the world that they don't matter. The political and media elites of the left have the power, the control. So it makes it seem like the whole world is that way. And we do have a lot to fight against on legislation and crazy things that are going on in the EU and in my own capital where I am here. But I just believe that people all over the world need to know there are sane people out there working for these foundational principles, because Europe was also founded on Christian principles.
And the United States most certainly was, you know, like you said, the EU is voting this constitution to take that out. But that's not what the original fathers of the EU were doing. So I'm sure you know more about that than I do. And I talk about that some in my book. But it's this real change from, you know, humility before a higher power in your lives, to thinking that you can do it all yourself. You know, you're giving yourself your rights now, these rights that God have given us, he didn't give them to us. In fact, we had a commentator in the United States about a month or so ago say that, that Christian nationalists, Christians who love their country, were crazy because we thought that our rights were God-given, and how silly that was. And we're like, well, lady, it's actually in our founding documents.
So anyway, it's this real reliance on self, Peter, And that's dangerous. And there are those of us that are fighting for the right kind of principles like you, like yourself. And it's good that outlets such as you are getting that word out there. I think it encourages people is what I'm trying to say with a lot of words.
Well, 100%. We'll bring it last warning to the West. Fantastic read and counterpoint institute I encourage your viewers listeners to make sure and click on that and follow and sign up to all you're doing and I just saw that Hungary take over the commission, EU commission and their tagline is Make Europe Great Again so you're going to have MEGA and MAGA together, MEGA MAGA for the second half of this year, but Dr Shea thank you so much for coming on and sharing about your experiences, your work with Counterpoint Institute.
It's fascinating. So thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you, Peter. And if your listeners would like to follow our work, just sign up for our newsletter on counterpoint.institute.org. It only comes out a couple of times a month, but it just gives the basics on all these issues that you and I have talked about in the work we're doing. So thank you so much for having me.
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Thanks Peter.

Jacki Deason - The Great Debate: Biden, Trump and the Path Forward for America

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We are delighted to welcome Jacki Deason, who is the host of The Jacki Daily Show on blaze.com to help Peter delve into the recent presidential debate. They begin by critiquing candidate performances and discussing political strategies before touching on cultural Marxism's impact on institutions, advocating for balanced history education, and prioritizing national interests in industries like energy. The conversation extends to renewable energy challenges, highlighting the need for informed decision-making, stressing the importance of nuanced understanding and thoughtful discourse on complex societal issues.
Jacki Deason hosts The Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show and podcast airing on BlazeMedia, on the dial in Texas, and podcast on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher.Previously, Jacki worked for an engineering firm specializing in energy production, national security, and environmental cleanup.  She served as legal counsel on Capitol Hill to the Chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution and the former Ranking Member of the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee, advising on the oversight of federal agencies.  Prior to her career in Washington, she worked as a corporate litigator, and as an Assistant Vice President for a national bank.Jacki studied Economics, Spanish, and World History at Marshall University (U.S. Society of Yeager Scholars), Oxford University (U.K.), and the University of Zaragoza (Spain).  She is an alum of the Vanderbilt University Law School, where she served as the President of the law school’s Federalist Society chapter.Jacki has an extensive network from which the show draws its guests—including industry leaders representing all parts of the energy sector, government officials, journalists, and political insiders.  Often, Jacki will know the day’s most-wanted guest and be able to secure the guest with a personal call.Jacki is from the Ohio River Valley, where the shale runs deep. She descends from a long line of energy workers, including roughnecks, railroaders, coal miners, and nuclear energy specialists.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
It's wonderful to have a guest on, first time, who I met over when I was stateside last time, Jacki Deason.
Jacki, thank you so much for your time today.
(Jacki Deason)
Thank you so much, Peter, for the opportunity.
I'm looking forward to this.
Not at all.
I know you've got a lot happening in everything, in media world, and everything else, so it is great to have you on.
And, of course, you host the Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show airing on Blaze Media.
And I had the privilege of actually getting a tour of the fantastic Blaze Studios, which made me feel a little bit jealous as a Brit.
But great.
And I know on your tagline, it says, entertains and educates a worldwide audience, dispels fear with facts and all things energy, freedom, happiness and prosperity.
And I love that uplifting message.
And your background you worked in energy and then before that legal counsel on Capitol Hill and then before that you worked as a corporate litigator and assistant at the president for a national bank.
So, a lot in there in your background a lot of experience you bring and I love talking to those in the media who actually have a wealth of background experience they bring to that and it's It's not just another podcast.
So, great to have you with us.
And obviously, people can find you @JackiDailyHost on Twitter or X.
And JackiDaily.com is the website.
And all the links for your Facebook and Instagram are all up there on the website and on Twitter.
Now, the first thing I need to ask you, of course, Jacki, is the presidential debate last night.
And I didn't subject myself to the whole two hours.
I watched snippets of it, maybe snippets more on the Trump side, because you get what feed Twitter gives you.
But what were your thoughts on that?
And I've read a lot of newspaper headlines, but what were your thoughts?
So, I watched it from start to finish and I went and got a massage and took a nap before the debate just to get rested up for it.
Like everyone here was so jacked up, amped up for it.
You know, I mean, we couldn't wait, because we actually thought this moment might never come, either because Biden would just refuse to debate, which is the new thing, or because, you know, Trump could be in jail.
Literally, it's possible.
So, we didn't know what was going to happen.
Out of nowhere came this early debate, which is weird.
I'm telling you, the Democrats are doing that strategically, agreeing to that so that they can show the world why they have no choice but to replace him at the convention.
Probably with Michelle Obama, could be Gavin Newsom.
But it's Michelle Obama who, who, you know, they put these books out for her, book tours all over the place.
She's all over these shows that are, you know, supposedly mainstream culture shows, but they're really run by Democrat loyalists at the top.
She's the one that's being traipsed out all the time, not Gavin Newsom.
They did have a debate with Gavin Newsom and DeSantis earlier in the year.
So, some people thought they were, like, trying him out.
But, I really think that's the whole purpose of this debate.
I think it came from the Democrat side.
They know the problem they have.
I mean, there's no way that Biden can not have major gaps showing that he's cognitively not there anymore.
He wasn't in 2016 either, really, but they could hide it well enough.
People scorned me for saying that he was being drugged up in advance of national media appearances.
But you know what?
Like about 95 percent of conservatives believe that.
And now probably 90 percent of liberals would believe that.
I don't know.
But anyway, you heard Biden say that there were a thousand trillionaires in America.
I mean, whoa, that people were being raped by their in-laws and their brothers and sisters, that he beat Medicare, that Democrats are against late-term abortion.
Abortion, I'm sure that disgusted and shocked his base, who think therefore, or at least if they actually correct that, most Democrats are not, but the party apparatus, the people at the highest levels most certainly are.
So anyway, those were all major flaws in his performance, I thought, aside from the obvious the name calling and moodiness and all that.
Trump actually, I thought, performed just like last time, which is that, you know, I watched and he is, he missed a lot of opportunities to lay out.
Well, there were a lot of opportunities, I agree.
I mean, I think it's just that he refuses to prepare, right?
So because, like you said, He said, I saw the quote, he says, I've been preparing for this debate all of my life.
He is off the cuff because he is, in fact, a performer.
He is an entertainer.
And that works to his benefit a lot.
People don't know, if you haven't been to a Trump rally, he's a completely different person.
He is like a stand-up comedian.
He is very relaxed.
He's having a great time.
He's witty and clever.
Last night, he was agitated.
You know, it wasn't, it's a very different Trump.
And so, you know, I heard a lot of repetition in there.
And, you know, John McCain did the same thing.
They're two very different people, two very different people.
But, you know, I thought Trump was passable.
I don't think it changed really anyone's minds.
Campaigns, the only person who changed minds was Biden, because now he did his job, which was to convince the Democrats that they don't want him on the ticket, even though they voted for him in the primary.
That's the issue.
And he has to want to step down.
I mean, I actually thought that maybe going after his son criminally was about coercing him to step down.
They did the same thing to General Flynn on the Republican side, you might remember.
So, that either didn't work or he didn't get it.
He really cognitively might not even understand threats at this point.
So, it's very interesting.
But there's a total meltdown this morning on the Democrat side, which I think is orchestrated, foreseeable.
I try to not get too political on my, X account.
You know, I actually try to avoid the words Democrat or Republican.
It's not a partisan show.
It's a policy show.
So, I don't, but I don't mind when I go into other people's shows.
It's your show.
So, you can ask anything you want.
And the truth is I love talking politics.
I don't get to do it very often on my show.
So, this is a real treat for me.
Good.
Well, I want to ask you everything.
And I've had the privilege of being at three Trump rallies, including my picture with the man himself, so it's it's phenomenal and from someone who's been at steeped in U.K politics nothing beats a trump rally.
So, anyone watching this you have to get out to a trump rally before November, because nothing beats that atmosphere the excitement the the electric environment that is.
But I was kind of thinking, and I agree with your assessment fully.
I'm glad I'm not more down the rabbit hole than you are; Michelle Obama: I agree it ticks those boxes.
I wonder why kind of you the trump team would want to debate Biden, because you don't want him to look too decrepit because then it plays into the hands of those who want to remove him, but the media have portrayed him as mentally unable over the last maybe one, two, three, months and it of seems to be playing up and this seems to be the the culmination in that.
So, maybe the Trump team couldn't actually do anything about it that they had to push for the debate, agree, and then whatever happens-happens.
So, what...
Yeah, what were your I thought why would he want to debate debate Biden, because he seems to be winning on immigration on the border and economy, so why go into that.
You know, I don't communicate with the Trump team, so I don't have any special insight into that decision making process.
But I will tell you, I do believe what they should have done is waited until after the Democratic convention, which is the normal course of things.
I mean, that's the way it normally works.
I mean, the fact that they would agree to this should have tipped off some alarm bells.
So, I do think that was a tactical mistake myself.
I think I think that part of what they must have been thinking is literally it's possible Trump will be in jail between now and the election.
What the debates represent, and few people appreciate this, even in the States, is it is the one event where you have both sides watching, listening, meaning President Trump can get through to even the Democrat supporters of Biden with zero media filter.
And that almost never happens.
It almost doesn't exist.
Everything we get is filtered through our media source of choice.
And so it's really scary that we live in these echo chambers and now you have social media so you can cultivate your own reality and universe and friend set.
So, I love debates because it's the one opportunity we get to really speak directly to the other side.
We have to find all of those opportunities we can.
And even people like you and me, who we might not be running for president, but we do have a platform and a voice.
And I try very hard to find those opportunities to speak directly to people on the other side, especially at the highest levels.
Levels because once you spend time around them, which is so rare these days, unfortunately, you realize something.
Many of them are just human beings.
They really do believe in what they're doing sometimes.
Some of them do.
And so I've spent a lot of time lately trying to hack the filter that they're seeing through and figure out how do we get to them?
Because here's what I come away with every single time.
Every single time I spend time with a high profile liberal, like having drinks or spending social time, you know, just really downtime.
It's that both sides maybe are being deceived.
What the really bad guys, the really bad guys don't want is for us to communicate directly and get around the filters that are put on us.
By both sides of the corporate media.
So...
I just, we have to remain humanized to each other.
We become objectified as some big, horrible, awful other out there.
And they believe the worst things imaginable about us.
And it has to be shocking for them to be around us and find out that we're just normal, decent, caring, respectful human beings.
And so I just come away with this.
I'm not going to give you the names, but it was just a couple of months ago.
I was out in Palo Alto, California with two extremely high profile liberals.
You would know their names right away in the UK too.
And so we were meeting for this kind of side reason.
It's not the core of what I do at all.
I just happened to be there.
In fact, I wasn't really an invitee and clearly they had no idea who I was, because I walk in and spend half an hour talking to one of them before this thing gets started.
And she's like, so what do you do?
And I'm like, well, I do energy and environment research.
And she goes, oh, how lovely.
She has no idea who I am, which is great.
So, we have this amazing conversation.
And here's the bottom line.
At the end of this long event, we then go have drinks.
And it's just a few of us, like less than five.
And these two to say to me, every day, we were on the phone this morning and we said, every day we become more conservative, because they're like, you know what?
Pro-Hamas protests, we're out.
This business of, you know, operating on children, removing their genitals, so they can't reproduce before they're even old enough to know, you know, you're four years old.
Every other day you think you're a dinosaur, much less the opposite sex.
They're like, we're out.
We're having no part of that.
We cannot be a part of that.
It's a violation of our conscience.
And then, you know, men in our transition, men in women's sports, we're out.
We can't be a part of that.
And even one of them was in a gay marriage and said that the other one, the spouse, had just been let go from a job for refusing to identify pronouns, because that person objected.
You know, there are actually people on the other side who are reasonable.
They know what's happening is not the truth.
They know they're being asked to be part of something that cannot be right.
And so, I really just came away with a lot of hope after speaking with them.
Like I said, they'd been drinking.
I feel like they were like loosened up and it was like a truth serum coming out.
And it was really very reassuring.
And then they said to me, they said, you know, people just believe that Republicans don't care about people.
I said, that is just emphatically false.
It is emphatically false.
I feel like most of my day is filled with trying to figure out how to protect people.
And so anyway, what I'm saying to you is that conversation was so valuable.
It was so valuable because that's a humanizing conversation.
I think it's exactly the conversation that the really bad guys don't want us to have.
hey don't want us to figure out that the people on the other side are probably actually decent human beings who just, that what's happened is we, we all have, different information sets, different life experiences, different, friend sets.
And so that's probably the biggest difference between the average liberal and average conservative. It's different. You've been exposed to different information.
And so, but you're not that different.
So, I just want this unifying message.
I had a separate conversation with a guy who was the founder of the Bloods street gang here in Dallas.
There's the Bloods and the Crips in LA, very famous.
There've been films made about it.
There are rap songs about it.
These are very violent criminal gangs, but they are a family to the people who join them, because often they don't have family.
Anyway, I was speaking with him him.
And I could tell you other things about him that make him different from me.
We’re racially different.
We're at this point, socioeconomically different, but I just, we had this amazing conversation and I just thought this is exactly, again, I came away thinking, this is the conversation that the people who work to divide us don't want us to have.
We have to force those conversations in those social settings where it's not a debate.
You're not at a panel, right?
You know, where it's scripted in front of a lot of people.
You're just talking one-on-one.
I want to pick up, because that's a really interesting line, because often we see the other side as the enemy, or we see them as actually as maybe evil in what they push forward and forget that they are probably misinformed.
And that may be a better place to start.
I want to pick up on that, but I wanted to ask you one more question on the debate, because some of the headlines, I mean, even CNN talked about 67% thought that Trump won.
From their viewers and 33% thought the Biden one, I don't know where how those 33% were watching; maybe they were sleeping, I don't know.
You were pulling The White House staff.
They could have been but and then a lot of the headlines.
I mean, New York post: this debate was a blowout for Trump, political Democrats really have no way to spin this.
And New York Times piece: Joe Biden is a good man a good president, but he must buy out of the race.
And then CNN did that fact check and and showed a lot of the stuff was incorrect.
Independent in the U.K: I really didn't know what he said and I think, I don't think he does either, which was a quote from Trump.
That was the headline of the article.
Trump pulls no punches as Biden struggles in debate Sky News an unmitigating disaster for Biden and tv debate with Trump as he faces calls from democrats to step aside which is what you touched on.
Then The Guardian, who will replace Joe Biden, and a lot of other publications beginning to talk about who will replace for the first time ever, actually.
It's been more the conservative side, but actually seeing the left.
And it seemed as though simply on the end with Joe Biden taking him by the hand and leading the poor guy off stage where Trump just walks off.
All of that.
Seem to be put out to say, actually, he's not able to continue.
And I'm firmly of the view, not that I would put money on it, even after our conversation, but actually, Michelle Obama seems to tick all the boxes the Democrats want.
So they think.
I'll tell you what, here's my thought about it.
And maybe I'm totally wrong, not like I had my finger on the pulse of the average Democrat voter.
But she seems to me to check the boxes for the elite Democrat set.
The elites, they're the ones that you the only ones you're allowed to hear from, really, on cable news.
So, Michelle Obama, she is, I think I was saying I grew up beneath the poverty line.
I'm now very much not.
The liberals in the suburbs and the really nice neighbourhoods think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I'll tell you who I don't think thinks that.
Union Democrats, people working with their hands, which historically was a huge voting bloc for Democrats.
And they've already been peeling off a lot long before she came along.
Then Hispanics. I mean, again, Hispanics are very practical people.
There's no cocktail circuit that they're going to care about as much.
These are like, some of them are new Americans, but a lot of them are not.
People forget.
We have a very large Hispanic community that's Cuban in South Florida and Venezuelan from the central and South America.
You've got the Puerto Ricans in New York.
[20:39] You've got Mexicans in Texas.
[20:42] And we we have in this southwestern part of the country, Hispanics who were here long before we were, like literally, they didn't immigrate anywhere in the last probably thousand years.
So, they're a huge demographic that's now flipping Republican.
And people marvelled at this last election.
These were once Native American tribes.
Then they were conquered by the Mexicans, specifically the Spanish government when they were still in control of Mexico.
Then they were Texians because they'd won their independence from Mexico.
Then they joined the United States.
So, the borders just keep running over top of these folks.
That's a huge demographic.
What is it about Michelle Obama that appeals to them at all?
I can't think of really one reason why. What has she accomplished, really?
They don't care about checking boxes and woke politics.
These are people who care about inflation and crime and immigration, obviously, for where they live is going to be the big issue for them.
I'm just not at all sure.
Then how about all of the new immigrants who come from countries?
Where women don't have the status that they have here?
How about countries where, you know, if women testify in court, their testimony is worth half of a man's?
We're importing immigrants from countries where that is the practice.
That is the belief system.
Why are they going to go for Michelle Obama?
I just don't, I don't see it.
Okay, well, we'll watch it and see if her surname carries her forward or whether they choose someone else.
But I 100% agree, that everything was played out to show that Biden is not able to stand us, whether Jill Biden accepts us, maybe that could be the sticking point.
I'm sure she's enjoying that position in the White House.
Jacki, I'm interested in your thoughts on the whole march of cultural Marxism, which you've seen over the past couple of decades, really, through every institution, not only in the US, but here in the UK and across Europe.
And during this election, immigration and the economy are the two big issues, whether it's in the European elections just passed or the French elections just happening, the UK elections coming up in days or the US election in November.
It's actually interesting the same issues which is border control, immigration, and the economy, but the whole issue of cultural Marxism and how it's torn up a lot of our institutions and I'm wondering how that kind of fits in in regards to rewriting American history, and then we'll get on to kind of education, the whole gender debate, but where does that fit into this, presidential election?
So, I mean, we now have reached, the Marxists have now reached a critical mass of young people.
So, let's say people under the age of maybe who genuinely are buying into what they're.
Which is that there's an us versus the oppressor.
So they're permitting the people teaching them to divide us.
That's the first issue.
And it's just a modern application.
And because they don't have enough evidence, I mean, they tried earlier in American history in the last 100 years to divide us, lower income bracket, upper income bracket.
They introduced the words class.
That's why I try so hard to avoid using the words working class, upper middle class.
The word class itself is dividing.
It just means, you know, let's call them upper income, lower income.
It didn't work in America because frankly, I mean, I grew up in a lower income family.
Our lives were not that bad.
You know, I don't recall ever going hungry, ever going homeless.
We were free.
We could say what we wanted, do what we wanted.
It wasn't like Europe where only the elite could hunt.
We could hunt, we could fish and feed ourselves and grow our own crops.
We all had gardens growing up.
Our lives were pretty good.
The socioeconomic Marxism really never caught on here. gear.
So, they shifted gears.
And now it's all about your immutable characteristics, race, sex, or now they'll fluid it with gender.
Race and sex, you inherited those completely beyond any control of your own from the moment of your conception, not the moment of your birth, the moment of your conception.
You were encoded with your DNA as male or female, black, white, whatever.
And so this has been success.
What's amazing is they had to do the bag of checks and go back 400 years to the 1619 Project to be able to find sins big enough to cause people to begin to question whether or not America was good, whether or not they are good, whether or not their parents are any good and their grandparents.
And so what I see happening, and it's the critical theory school, the Frankfurt School and all that, you're seeing them use critical theory, which in my mind is the cheapest theory.
Easiest, lowest bar school.
And all it does is say, all right, let's take whatever it is we want to destroy, zoom in on the worst moments in the history, moments in a person's life, blow them up out of all proportion and pretend they're representative.
And by all means, what you will never want to do is actually show the other side of that person or that country.
Here's the truth, right?
You can destroy any country or people or person with that approach.
There is no people group that didn't practice slavery.
And in fact, Americans were one of the first to abolish it.
I mean, slavery is going on right now all over the world.
There are more people enslaved right now than in any other time in history.
Do people even know that?
They don't, because if they did, the fault wouldn't break down along racial lines that the Marxists need to get what they want politically in this country.
It's just a matter of changing the perspective of the kids they're brainwashing and saying, just a minute, let me ask you one question.
What country would you rather live in, the United States or pick a Marxist country?
Pick one.
Cuba, Russia, some of the middle America countries have hard left governments.
Some of the South American countries, you know, I don't see you rushing their border the way the people from those countries are rushing our border.
Why is that?
Why do they want to be here?
We must be doing something right.
Would you like to talk about what we're doing right?
You know, would Would you like to talk about what's so great about America or the West or Christendom as it was once known?
Countries that have a Christian background?
I mean, one of the things I thank God for is that I was born in this country and I wasn't born an Iraqi Christian in the last 30 years.
Or a Syrian Christian or a Lebanese Christian.
The war on Christians and the genocide that's happened against Christians around the world, not just in the Middle East and North Africa, but all over the place, is an outrage.
And no one seems too concerned about that.
Why?
Why aren't Americans under the age of 40 taught about that?
Why not?
Instead of learning about the genocide that's happening today.
They're learning about something that happened 400 years ago.
They have to reach back 400 years.
And still, if I were born, you know, check their boxes.
If I were a young, black, female, bisexual, I'd far rather live in the United States than live in any other country.
Period.
Period.
And so what are we doing right?
Why is that true?
And why is nobody asking these questions?
So, I guess what I'm saying is it's a critical theory.
[29:50] And you can get people to understand this by applying it to one human being, rather than looking at countries, rather than needing a command of world history, which most people don't have, because the Department of Education scrubbed that out of the curriculum a long time ago to make sure you can't do this analysis I'm asking you to do.
Let's look at one person.
Let's take the Christian view of this, which is you can take any human being and, and take the worst moments of their lives where they behave the worst, they did the worst thing that they're most ashamed of, that they most regret.
You can zoom in on that and put it up on a big, you know, overhead projector.
Let me show you how old I am and overhead projector and, or put it up on your social media and pay for it to go viral and show the world that one worst moment in that human being's life and pretend like that represents their life.
There's nothing else to know, right?
They've never done anything good in their life.
There's no redeeming anything about that person.
This is it.
That's what the Marxists do.
That's what the politics is about today.
And it's about dehumanizing and demonizing that person or that country or that culture or that faith off the very worst moments in history three with the very worst people who ever phony put on the mantra and that, that label.
So, I guess it's just, it's the critical thinking that we have to teach to the younger people so they don't fall victim to this warring against their own people, their own family, you know, people who won't even speak to their parents anymore because they, they believe something different about supply side economics or taxation or something.
It's ridiculous.
And that's brainwashing.
And it's what What brainwashers do, they isolate you from everyone who ever loved you.
So, they can have their way with you in your brain.
And so it's not that the kids are bad, and it's not that they're stupid.
It's none of those things.
And you have to refrain from getting angry about it and calling people names, because it's actually that nobody has ever taught them real history.
No one has ever taught them how to think critically, because that's the last thing that the Marxists want.
I was talking to a lady yesterday in Texas who is doing education reform.
Now, she said, this is in Texas now, they don't even want to give the kindergartners pencils or crayons.
God forbid they might learn how to read and write.
You know, it was illegal in slave-holding countries to teach the slaves how to read.
You know why?
They might actually advance in society.
They're harder to subdue.
And now they're doing the exact same thing in Texas schools or someone's trying to make that the policy.
This is an outrage.
And they do it on the basis of not every kid can read and write.
Not every kid can succeed.
We need to care about the people at the lower end who can't succeed.
And that is a thinly veiled excuse for keeping them down.
We got to call this what it is.
That is victimization.
That's a predator trying to keep those kids down.
It's really disgusting.
And there are very few people who are truly the bad people.
Again, it's only the operatives who want to keep us divided and want to keep people ignorant.
We have to recognize this is so important.
It's a teeny little sliver of the population.
It's not the Democrat party.
Most Democrats don't feel that way.
It's some of the people at the top of the apparatus who are funding things, who run the media.
And we all need to kind of get together against that teeny little sliver of bad people trying.
And why do they do it?
You know, it's about power and money.
It's about separating people from their rights and their money and their autonomy and their self-determination.
Anyway, I could go on for a long time.
As you can see, I'm very passionate about this and reframing the debate so that people aren't having their heritage stripped from them. Americans should be very proud to be Americans.
There's a lot we do right.
And that's why there are millions of people flooding our border to get in here.
And nowhere else in the world do you see that.
Yeah, I agree.
We're seeing British history rewritten where the British Empire is now something awful instead of looking at how William Wilberforce was the forefront of actually freeing, stopping slavery and then looking at the educational side, the health side, transport, all those things that were provided and history is rewritten.
And it kind of fits into in the US where Make America Great Again is an uplifting message of hope, of actually bringing the country to where it should be.
And that's now degraded as evil and hateful.
It's curious where making a country great is regarded as awful.
It's, yeah, a curious mix.
It's a very difficult mantra to try to demonize, but people have certainly tried.
And so, you know, they're like, what he's trying to say, they make this up.
Okay.
They're saying what Trump is trying to say is that somehow we were great when we were less diverse.
It's like, actually, this country has always been diverse.
Always.
There's never been a day, a day since America existed from the 1700s that we didn't have have.
Native Americans, especially all over the frontier, wherever that was, we have, you know, always had, at least since the 1700s, a hefty percentage of Black Americans.
We had, as you know, the Spanish were in Florida, the French were in the North, the Dutch, you know, it used to be Dutch in New York before it was English, before we renamed it York.
Yeah.
But anyway, and of course, as I told you, the people in the Southwest, they were always tribal and they're still there.
They're not on reservations.
They live in Laredo.
They live in El Paso.
So anyway, it's always been a diverse country.
Therefore, the slogan, Make America Great Again, in, does not hearken back to some, this is what they, his enemies want you to believe, like it harkens back to some time when America was all white.
When was that?
But because their sense of history is about as deep as their lifetime, or maybe not even that long, they became politically conscious five years ago.
So, nothing existed before five years ago.
And so anyway, I mean, sometimes I make fun of the the people on the other side just because you have to laugh or cry.
You got to have some fun sometime.
But really, there's a great mission in front of us to educate people about real history and some of it is dark, some of it is bad, and then we have to own it.
When you were in Texas, for example.
My studio, part of the studio is a museum.
It's called the American Journey Experience. And the museum highlights all kinds of things from Hollywood and its history to, you know, to the Geneva Bible, to crime and punishment.
There's an electric chair in there showing you some of the really dark stuff.
And Glenn Beck is, you know, running that project.
And he's like the the lead host at the Blaze Media.
He thought it was important to take all the horrible things in history and showcase them accurately, which sometimes it's actually worse than you think.
Sometimes it's better than you think.
But also there's American greatness in the museum.
You can also see a whole library of burned books that the Nazis burned in World War II.
So, you know, it's just a lot of great stuff that you can't really get anywhere else.
And so that's the importance of history.
We have to tell it all. The good and the bad.
Concede the bad points.
But make sure the good points are taught.
And you're making me jealous again and I did see some of that.
I thought it's so essential that that story, that history is preserved because there seems to be an onslaught everywhere.
One of the other tidelines is America first.
First and this is something that actually Europe are struggling with actually nations being the priority for the government which should be the first duty of any government putting the country and citizens first and we've ended up a duty of the government seems to be putting the citizens last.
I mean when Trump was in the White House he there were many things that he wanted to do with manufacturing, with energy, and I know your background in energy, and he always talked about being energy independent.
And we've moved away, not only in America, but in Britain, we've got gas in the North Sea, and we were energy independent for decades.
But we've moved away from that to shipping LPG from foreign countries, and that seems better than actually producing it under our own feet.
But that must be another part of Trump's call for November to actually put America first and to use the resources that America has instead of relying on other countries.
Right.
So, you know, COVID should have taught us about strategic commodities.
There were all kinds of things that we needed and we weren't sure that we would have them, whether it's pharmaceuticals like antibiotics or whether it's PPE is what we call it.
But that's basically during COVID, it's all the sterile stuff, the masks, you know, the gloves, the simple stuff, plastic barriers.
America doesn't manufacture anything anymore.
Well, take that problem and put it on steroids when you're talking about oil and gas.
Oil and gas run the world, even now and even for the foreseeable future, at least 20 years from now. Anything to the contrary is just a lie.
It's just a lie.
Imagine this in in the first two world wars the united states supplied about 70 percent of the oil and gas or the fuel to the allies that was needed to win those wars if it weren't for American oil and gas and American steel as well those wars would have gone the other direction, understand it.
So, that's why you know Hitler was trying so hard to get Baku Azerbaijan on.
That's the oldest oil field in the world. It's huge.
And he really needed that to continue the war.
That's a lot of what went wrong for him.
And thank God it went wrong for him.
And so it was us storming the beaches of Europe at this time with oil and natural gas.
And it's one reason why the pipeline that the Russians lost was such a big deal too.
Because everyone knows fossil fuels are still what run the world.
It's the reason why China's building all these coal plants, because they're smart.
They have to somehow take care of 1.3 or more billion people.
You can't do that without fossil fuels.
We are watching this bizarre suicide that our federal government is trying to impose upon us.
Right now, the U.S. is the number one oil producer on Earth.
We're the number one natural gas producer on Earth.
That wasn't true before the fracking revolution.
So first you saw the attack on fracking.
It supposedly is destroying groundwater.
It's destroying the air and all that proved false.
It was debunked.
Then it was methane.
Then it's attack pipelines.
Suddenly pipelines are evil, even though they're obviously the most green way of moving the hydrocarbon because the alternatives are rail and truck.
When you stop the pipeline, all you're doing is moving it to rail and truck, which has like 20 times the carbon footprint of a pipeline.
So anyway, back to what Trump needs to do is make clear to people, number one, face the reality.
With math and with physics, it is not possible to run this country on wind and solar, nor is it green, by the way, but that's a much longer conversation.
But when you watch people make really bad decisions like like RFK Jr. And Governor Cuomo, who banned fracking in New York, an outrage.
New York is rich in shale.
It has one of the most monstrous shale plays in the country.
Pennsylvania chose to develop it.
So, you have like a lot of wealth in Pennsylvania.
These poor farmers up in New York, they can't have any of that money and the New Yorkers can't have any of the gas.
So guess what?
The result is that the Russians are pulling their tankers into the Northeast to give New York its natural gas.
And the New Yorkers are paying the Russians and therefore or have been since over the time when they did the ban, which I think was 2014.
Russians are a little more suppressed at this point.
But for a long, long, long time, that's what happened.
Now you're paying Russia for your fuel.
Congratulations.
You didn't change one thing about the amount of fossil fuels you're burning.
All you're doing is giving Putin money to fuel a war.
And so this is what happens.
But the New Yorkers really believed that if they voted for the fracking ban, they were all going to just magically hop over to wind and solar, which can't even fuel that state.
Apparently, all the battery storage in the country right now could run New York City for an hour.
So, yeah, but they were lied to.
They were lied to.
And so they didn't know that.
hey would never have made that choice if they'd had the real facts that people like Governor Cuomo and RFK Jr.
Miseducated them because they were miseducated themselves.
Yeah, not huge.
I think energy needs to be; without energy actually economy collapses nothing works and energy is is absolutely central and forefront to to anything..
Jacki, I really do appreciate your time covering obviously the debate that we've just had and touching on some of those key issues which I think will be front and foremost in this election campaign.
So, thank you so much for giving us your time today.
Thank you, Peter.
And thank you for the opportunity.
It's really fun to connect across the ocean here, have this conversation.
I really appreciate everything you do.
Oh, thank you.
You keep up the great work.

The Week According To . . . Lois McLatchie Miller

Cultural commentator and senior communications officer at ADF UK, Lois McLatchie Miller returns to Hearts of Oak to give us her analysis of the past weeks doom and gloom in the news, articles and from her social media, and there is plenty to get stuck into including...- Christians in politics are treated terribly - the UK should be utterly ashamed- BBC Debate: One thing is certain. If Labour get into power, your finances are going to get hammered- An elitist white man tells a black woman to "shut up": David Tennant's narcissistic posturing laid bare - Sunak Says: "If you’re calling for women to shut up and wishing they didn’t exist, you are the problem- What is a woman? Labour frontbencher refuses to answer eight times when asked which lavatory a trans woman should use- Dear Celebrities... There is no such thing as a trans child- Abortion is not healthcare- Germany: Woman convicted of “offending” migrant gang rapists receives longer prison sentence than the rapists- Birth rates in the world’s rich economies have more than halved since 1960 to hit a record low- Farage: Second and third Covid lockdowns were UK’s biggest peacetime mistakes
Lois McLatchie serves as a senior legal communications officer for ADF UK . She works with journalists and press representatives to advocate for fundamental freedoms in the “court of public opinion”, both in written pieces and through public speaking.Before beginning her current role, Lois was a legal analyst on ADF International’s UN Advocacy Team at the Human Rights Council in Geneva. There, she provided Member State representatives with key legal resources and amendatory language which promotes the inherent value of every person. She is an alumnus of ADF International’s Veritas Scholarship, under which she she completed training on on international law, communications and argumentation.Lois also holds an LLM Human Rights Law with distinction from the University of Kent, and an MA (Hons) International Relations from the University of St Andrews. During her studies, she participated in Areté Academy and Blackstone Legal Fellowship, where she completed extensive research on bioethical issues, including surrogacy.
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Tanya Gaw - Action4Canada: The Christian-Canadian Crusade for National Identity and Freedom

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Our good friend, Tanya Gaw, founder of Action4Canada returns to Hearts of Oak for a discussion on protecting faith, family, and freedom in Canada, highlighting challenges in education and Traitor Trudeau's stance on Israel. She advocates for nationalist movements, scrutinizing globalist influence, and preserving Canadian values. Emphasizing unity and upholding Christian-based culture, this podcast underscores the importance of challenging mainstream narratives for a secure future.
Tanya Gaw is a committed Christian and defender of faith, family, and freedom.She is the founder of Action4Canada which is a grassroots, not for profit organization committed to upholding the Canadian constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.Tanya began her journey in 2015 in response to the government passing legislation that severely impacted Canadian democracy and freedom. Tanya has been working to give the silent majority a voice through letter writing campaigns, petitions and organizing events, to help raise public awareness.Action4Canada not only educates people on what is happening, they effectively equip, encourage and mobilize Canadians to take action.Tanya also retained Rocco Galati, a top constitutional lawyer, and commenced legal action against the BC and Federal government as of August 16, 2021. This action is in response to the government’s COVID-19 emergency measures wherein they have committed egregious crimes against the citizens of Canada in an effort to attain global control.Her greatest mission is to declare that Canada is founded on Judeo Christian biblical principles, forming our laws and our values, and provides a system of governance that sets us apart from totalitarian, extremist and communist regimes. Because of it…we have the freedom to believe…or not to believe…without fear of persecution, oppression, and even death.
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
It is wonderful to have Tanya Gaw back with us again. It's been a long time. Tanya, thank you so much for joining us once again today.
(Tanya Gaw)
Thank you, Peter. It's good to be here. I always appreciate the work that you do. So I'm excited about the conversation today.
That's great that we can talk from Europe all the way over there to Canada and connect and have a conversation about the work, certainly you're doing and I think it massively helps our viewers understand and of course the WarRoom Posse will be watching so they will get just north of the border there of what is happening, but obviously if Tanya's been with us twice before, if the viewers or listeners have not followed her then you can follow her, there is her Twitter handle @gawtanya and of course action4canada.com is the website and shows the the great work that Tanya is doing there in Canada of course and you're there just in case our viewers haven't because it's been a while, so you're the founder of Action 4 Canada, protecting faith, family, and freedom, educating, equipping, encouraging, and mobilizing Canadian citizens.
And I always find that when you speak to someone in the country, you learn from what they are doing, irrelevant to whether it's just for that country, you can take away principles and ideas and learn what is happening there. But you put out weekly videos along with your email list, along with everything else on the website. And one of the most recent ones caught my eye. And it was, I think you start looking at education, and then we'll get on to the whole issue of Israel and Hamas, I can't call it Palestine, Israel and Hamas, and what is happening there and how that has affected, we've seen the effect, certainly our media or education system across the board here in the UK, I think it's the same for there. But you begin the video with talking about schooling and education and how the, I guess the state system is indoctrinated. Do you want to just let us know what the situation is. You mentioned home-schooling.
What is the education system like in Canada as you look at it as someone who loves freedom and as a Christian?
It's dire, as it is in our southern friends in America and across the waters to the UK and Europe. I mean, this is a global attack against our kids and against the natural family. And so our education system with Trudeau being fully on board with the UN and the WEF he's just going in lockstep with whatever you know they suggest or demand and so as a signatory state I always say that the UN is an unelected body interfering with our democracy worldwide in western nations we've got to fully pull out of the UN and so with the comprehensive sexual education which I'm sure most of your viewers are very familiar with, it comes by a different name in Canada. It may be SOGI 123 in BC and Alberta.
The Win Sex Ed Plan in Ontario, and by different names in other provinces, Cirque, etc. And so what we did many years ago is, in 2016 is when I became aware about this agenda and the sexualization of our children, the indoctrination, and started to really try to bring attention to it. But Canadians weren't ready to hear it. Oh, people should love who they want to love. And it just needs to be acceptance. And this is an anti-bullying program. And it's like, no, it's much more sinister than that. And so in a way, COVID has been a friend of ours as far as the information war is concerned, because it finally brought to the attention to citizens around the world that were under attack by a globalist, Marxist, communist, whatever you want to call it, agenda and anti-family, anti-Christian, anti-life. agenda.
And so finally, I had about 55,000 members that were signed up with Action 4 Canada when COVID hit, and it pretty much doubled that. And then at some point, I finally stepped out and I started talking to the individuals who hadn't been following me for a while about the LGBTQ sexual activist agenda that had infiltrated our school system. And so when we see, of course, as the other side is starting to lose control. I call it like a tug of war. There's that mud in the middle and the LGBTQ have had a good handle and been pulling us into the mud and our families and our kids. And now that with all of the awareness and all of the work like Action for Canada and organizations and people like yourself, we finally are starting to pull the LGBTQ in the mud and they're losing grip. And so when that's happening though, They want to up their agenda. And they became more aggressive and more transparent. And people in parents, the average parent can't ignore because their children are coming home and saying, I identify as the opposite sex. So what we do as an organization, we're not just there to provide information and scare the bejeebers out of people. We actually want to give them resources and to help them to actively get involved.
So on this subject, we created notices of liability to serve to school boards and trustees and to say that you can't sexualize children and you can't groom them, you can't, you know, extort them, exploit them, etc. And so we have just really been pushing back. And then the other thing we're doing is we have a flyer and I have over 100 chapters nationwide. And so our teams within the communities go to the schools and they actually hand this flyer, this truth bomb into the the hands of parents who are dropping their kids off, you know, going and working two jobs just to put food on the table or pay the rent or the mortgage here in Canada. And so anyways, by that we've created a lot of awareness. And so it's really bad. I'm sure that you've gone and you probably had many special guests on talking about the fact that the programs I did a special in October. It's on my website at the top of political LGBTQ. It's under current issues in our menu. And I proved a whistle-blower had given me a teacher's resource and it was called a teacher's toolkit.
And within that toolkit, it was for ages kindergarten to grade six. And I highlighted in yellow the conversations that they were having with kindergartners, grade one, just dropping that little bit of indoctrination, starting the thought about two genders, how they were nefariously coming in and beginning, starting that allyship. You know, they talk about LGBTQ allies. And in one of them, it even went towards, like, if you're a friend, now this is like grade three, if your friend identifies as the, you know, opposite sex, and their parents don't support them, kind of like, what will you do? And then it says, if your friend identifies as an owl.
How would you respond? And of course, that's the furries. That's the bestiality part of it. You just drop, you know, a little thought like that into a child's brain and it grows. And then they begin to grow with the allyship and turn kids away from their parents and that they're loved and accepted here. year. And then of course, they have the clubs that meet at school, the Gay Straight Alliance clubs. And of course, they're changing those names now because we're on to them. And it has, you know, a bad name. So let's change it to, you know, the Rainbow Club or however it works. So we're finding on mass, it is a 911 crisis in Canada, the amount of kids that are being indoctrinated that are identifying as the opposite sex. I don't believe with one second that there There is one trans child that's a complete and utter lie from the pit of hell.
And so now it's a matter of fighting back. And one of the ways we did that is in Canada is a big country with all the provinces and territories. So I always look at France, right, and the French resistance and, you know, look back at strategies of war and this being an information war. How do you deal with a country with this kind of landmass and get the right information and people mobilized. And so that's where our chapters come in. But one of the things that happened in Saskatchewan, which is a province in the middle of Canada, is that our chapter leader had found out that they were going to put SOGI 123 and implement it last September into the education system. And that's... SOGI is already in BC and Alberta, and it's the ARC Foundation that brought that in, and they want to be in every province across the nation. So we started lobbying the government. We served the notice of liability.
We provided them all kinds of copious information showing the harms that this was causing to children and that they had a duty to prevent harm. And that now that they knew this and had all of this information, they were looking at potential legal actions in the future. Well, by August, they had reversed their decision and they banned SOGI and they banned Planned Parenthood because they had had these sex cards that grade nine kids accidentally got into their hands. And so we lobbied them and said no third parties should have access or teach any sexual health within our schools. And so that's been expanding in New Brunswick. And there's the fight going on in Alberta. We're doing work in the background there as well. And there's a battle going on in Saskatchewan because the LGBTQ.
They are furious that they lost this one. And so as they do, they try to victimize and get in the courts. And I believe we're going to win. And I believe that we're winning this ideological war. I'm very encouraged by what's going on in Europe, in the UK with the Tavistock, what's going on in the United States. 26 states are completely annihilating the LGBTQ, DEI, globalist agenda. So there's lots of progress being made, but it seems to be a ripple effect. Europe and the UK were very much ahead of us on the problems that we're all facing, mass immigration, LGBTQ, DEI, et cetera. Then the United States, it increased when Obama, was sitting president, and then when Trudeau got in is when he started to fast-track these agendas as well. And it's overwhelming what we're being hit with, with the Liberal government and the NDP aligning with them and the Bloc Quebecois. So we're in quite a crisis in Canada, but people are waking up and we've got hope for the future. Things are really turning around.
And that's a massive issue, and I'll leave that to our viewers and listeners to delve deeper. I just want to give a taster because I think that's really essential. But there is another issue that Europe are ahead of the curve, and that's Islamization.
And the EU have traditionally been very anti-Israel. The UK have generally been more supportive of Israel in relation to certainly the rest of Europe. But then we have the current situation sparked off on October the 7th from that horrendous attack into Israel. And you touch on this, and I'd like to maybe expand on this issue, the Canadian response to what has happened there over in Israel.
What's the Canadian government's general response? I'm assuming I kind of know where to pigeonhole Trudeau, but I'll let you tell me. What's the Canadian government's kind of outlook traditionally been on Israel?
Well, under Stephen Harper, Canada was fully in support of Israel. When Trudeau took office, when he was running for office, he was supporting everything and anything that would get him a vote. He's just the most ridiculous man on the face of the earth next to Biden. I think they're competing for that position. And so, yeah, what happened is when that had taken place, I mean, the whole world was shocked and appalled and horrified at the attack and what Islam, well, this is, you know, throughout the Middle East, they've come in, subjugated, overtaken, but through cruelty, every possible country they could. And they're working on the Western nations as well. And it's been no different in Canada. So Trudeau is a traitor.
He is hated by the majority of Canadians. He's a wannabe dictator. And he's made his allegiance to China very clear. He's made his allegiance to Islam very clear. He's made his allegiance to Calestani Sikhs very clear. He is just, you know, he's like he's bipolar. He has multiple personalities. And the whole thing is, you know, it's all falling down on him, because you can't continue to support all these different individuals, because they're all vying for position, and all vying for his attention. And this is a war going on in Canada for our very existence. And so Trudeau turned his back on Israel. When everything came out about UNRWA a few months ago, was it in February?
You know, the United States pulled out their funding right away, Canada, you know, through pressure said they were going to stop funding, they paused, paused funding. But as it turned out, the next payment was in April. And by then he had already lifted it. So as we saw, the tunnels were beneath, underneath UNRWA, no way that they're not involved in these attacks and this war against Israel. We see what they're teaching the children in the school. And so they should be completely defunded. And we're going to be we're working on that. The purpose I'm saying that is Justin Trudeau, prior to this, has funded terrorism. There's a case by Tom Quiggan against him with all the evidence possible to prove that through funding certain Islamic organizations in Canada, those organizations are funding terrorism. No different with UNRWA. So by funding UNRWA, Trudeau is funding terrorism.
And so he's made this. Then he went with voted in favor of the arms embargo, which was a huge turn of events. And that had escalated, I guess, the foundation of where or the legitimacy in the hearts of the Palestinians in Canada. So they feel very much like all this pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist events that are going on in our streets are very similar to, of course, what's going on in Europe and the UK. Hey, we have Naveed Awan. And I mean, he's out there preaching the hate. He hasn't been arrested or locked up. And I think that his time is coming. We've managed to get some of his social media shut down and de-platforming him. And so it is happening.
And so yeah, Trudeau, as far as I'm concerned, he's turned his back on Israel. And as a result, I'm working with a gentleman by the name of Majed El Sheffi from One Free World International, and we started a task force for Israel to change the direction of the support to say, because biblically speaking as a Christian, God says that we're to pray for the peace of Israel, of Jerusalem, and we're to support Israel. That doesn't mean I support Netanyahu. Just like if we had gone at war and America attacked Canada, I would expect the world to be supporting Canadians to say, we support Canada and their right to exist. They don't support a traitor like Justin Trudeau. And so I don't have much, many words about Netanyahu. We don't know the whole story.
But at that point, I 100% believe that Israel has the right to exist. And Israel goes beyond the borders as to what was designated to them.
Israel encompassed so much more land historically than where they are now. So we're very much about proclaiming the truth, countering Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party's position and the NDP. And yeah, so I don't know where you want to go from there as far as Israel is concerned. And as well, I will go a step further that Trudeau is very much, he's going to fail in the next election.
Other than the possibility that they, of course, cheat and do something with the polls. I don't know with this much attention on them how they could do that, but who knows? That's how dictators stay in office, but we've got quite a war. We know that. And so he wants the Muslim vote. He wants the Khalistani Sikh vote. So he is flooding Canada with all of these immigrants, and nobody is expected to integrate and assimilate. And it's it's getting very concerning and so now what he's done is he has promised to bring five to six thousand Palestinians in from Gaza into Canada well back in just..
Let me come down, I just want to, the political side and then I definitely want to get on that because I saw you put up information about that and it's intriguing but what's the, because I know we've had, ages ago, we had Maxime Bernier on, interviewed him, and they have not had the electoral breakthrough we were hoping, maybe the last election. Of course, election cycles come and go, so there's always the future one. But then the Conservatives have changed their leader.
What is the kind of pushback on Trudeau? Are the Conservatives actually, have they decided to be Conservative? Conservative, Maxime Bernier's party, is that going to rise up? Because obviously the NDP have fallen completely in bed with Trudeau. So where is the kind of pushback, the opposition to Trudeau?
We've got a lot of afraid Canadians who are going to vote for the Conservative Party because they so badly want to vote Trudeau out. And we know what that means when you're voting for a party to get somebody out. It doesn't necessarily mean we're going to be in a greater position. Once the Conservative Party gets in, there are good sitting Conservatives, but they've also been infiltrated by globalists, by people from what they refer to as the left, with, you know, an anti
Canadian or anti-Christian viewpoint. And so there are concerns and I'm, actually Maxime's going to be on my show at the end of the month. I was just speaking to him the other day. He's a dear friend. And, I have engaged with Maxime since 2018 is when I first met him personally, met with him in March of 2019, because I wanted to try to help affect the policies of the organization andbe a voice in his ear. So, because I had been working already for four or five years at that point. And I was, it was very clear to me where the Conservative Party had headed, that no matter how many letters we wrote to the Conservative Party, they weren't going to change their view, they weren't going to do the right thing. I mean, they had a majority that, you know, the country was headed in the right direction, but they decided to sign on to some of the, Stephen Harper, he was not actually a friend of Canada's, He was signing on to the Sustainable Development Goals. He had opportunities to appoint judges and senators, and he didn't do that because he was going to appoint some that were LGBTQ friendly, it's reported, and he thought he would lose the election. Well, he ends up losing the election and Justin Trudeau comes in and floods our Senate and the judiciary with activists.
And so even our judicial system here in Canada, as you can imagine, it's hard to get things done. But we have a legal action moving forward with Rocco Galati and we're persisting in that. So anyways, with Maxime Bernier, in supporting Maxime, what we've done is we've changed the trajectory, we've changed the political conversation. Because now Pierre Poilievre, who's the head of the Conservative Party, has had no choice because of the rising grassroots movement in Canada, but to start speaking about the issues that are of concern to us.
Previously, it was the squeaky wheel that gets the attention that was less than 1% of the LGBTQ, less than 1% of the Muslims, but they were working around the clock and very effective. And so it is vital that people get involved. So the political situation is concerning. Pierre Poilievre has come out and he is finally talking about the LGBTQ issue and the concerns with our children. But as an example of where Pierre Poilievre is at, the other day, an MP from Alberta was in a little interview and he was asked, he's pro-life, he's a strong Christian.
And he made it firm that he believes that there should be a law against abortion. And then he was asked if there was a vote regarding same-sex marriage, would you vote against it? And he says, I am, as a Christian, he says, I believe in the traditional family unit. it. Well, not only did the Liberal government, the Liberal Party and the media attack him, but so did Pierre Poilievre. He's such a wimp. I mean, the leaders of the Conservative Party have been so spineless to support what are the traditional values on the Conservative Party's own website. And I've even written to them when Andrew Scheer, I said, you owe, when Andrew Scheer was head of the party, I said, you owe all your members a refund when they voted in same-sex marriage. It says clearly on your website that you support traditional values. This is not a traditional value. And so it is a little concerning still here. But Maxime, he's got so much support. But our problem is that people are afraid to vote for him because they say it'll divide the vote. But it won't. If we get that, I've been having him on and advising. Canadians don't know what the populist movement is. They don't understand nationalism. And so we're educating them on that. And so these big wins in Europe right now are absolutely amazing.
Because I feel it is a look at Canada's future because we're a few years behind you on everything. I feel like we're going to get there. So we're going to continue to support Maxime Bernier and push him into a win. I'm even hoping that some of the conservative MPs will do the right thing and cross the aisle. Step over into the People's Party and help get them ignited so that we can truly take back Canada.
Yeah, I remember having conversations with friends in the media years ago about People's Party of Canada and discussing Maxime Bernier or back when you had barely heard of him. And it was thanks to Valerie Price that she connected me with Maxime as she connected me with you.
So thanks to Val for those connections. But that's the political side. But we touched on the Islamization, and I was at a demo today Well, I didn't mean to be at a demo today. I went to film with Naomi Wolf today outside court. There was a pro-Hamas demonstration, very vocal.
And they were against the LSE, London School of Economics, have got students protesting on this issue. And they want to move them on because they want to get back to education, which is what they're about. And of course, the students have gone to court to fight LSE. And we've seen weekly demonstrations through London. And that's why, as Melanie Phillips calls it, it's Londonistan. But what is it like? Are there demonstrations there? How is it affecting kind of universities and education establishments? Because what I saw today was frightening. Students brainwashed because they couldn't even have a rational conversation. It was just they would shout louder at you and wave their fists in your face. And there's no understanding, no meeting of minds, no conversation. But what is it like in terms of demonstrations, in terms of kind of students being captured by this pro-Hamas ideology?
Right. So it's very similar to what you're facing, America is facing. And I believe these were all sleeper cells that the Muslims had infiltrated Canada, the UK, America, all Western nations for this purpose. And so I believe that October 7th was just not an attack against Israel it was a planned attack as we're seeing unfold real time in front of us and so that these cells were ignited that they were ready to go and that they are being well funded and there are ties that go back of course to George Soros and other philanthropists that hate the world hate life I don't know why with all their desire to lower the world's population, they don't do us all a favor and do themselves. And it's like, put yourself in one of those little euthanasia death pods and let's get her done, right?
Let's make the world a better place. But anyways, yeah, so this is what we're seeing in Canada. This is one of the reasons to go back to education as well. We also have, when we're yelling 911, you know, get your kids out of the education system, home-school them. We have a whole home-schooling page that helps them. We vetted home-school associations across Canada. And we're even advising parents, don't pay to send your kids to university.
You'll never recognize them when they're out. And you already probably need to do a little deprogramming from, you know, how they captured them through their time in public education.
And so this is what we are witnessing here in Canada as well, the protests. And there's, I refer to this fella Naveed, he's a real agitator and a troublemaker here as far as the pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist community. And he had met with a tech college in Ontario. And he ends up posting and celebrating over the fact that they were in the office demanding their financials. This is all part of the diverse. What do they call it?
Boycott BDS boycott. Yeah. Divestment. And so they want to see the financials to see if they're doing any business with any Jewish people in the community, business community or with Israel. And I'm like, how dare you? and and so the there will be teams that will be having conversations to counter that and to go in and say why is it you felt a need to have a conversation with these people and sit down with terrorists you we don't negotiate with terrorists you tell them to get out the door get out the door and then you contact the police and so now we understand what it is that they're doing we're going to be going to these institutions letting them know what their rights are and what they should be doing if terrorists walk in their door, and try to negotiate with them. And I mean, Israel is, it doesn't matter where Trudeau stands on this, Israel is our ally. They're the only democracy in the Middle East. And so we will stand with them, we will support them, and we are working to do whatever we can to counter them and apply a lot of pressure to our police. And to Premier Doug Ford.
He came out and he's a lot of talk. And there's been, of course, a church that just recently burnt down. There has been gunshots at Jewish schools. And so he finally came out and said, you know, this is disgusting. We won't tolerate this. And it's like, what are you going to do, Doug Ford? And, you know, you're a useless talking puppet. Let's see you do some action. And so recently there was last weekend an Israeli march. It takes a march for Israel. It takes place every year. It's annual. And Naveed and his mob, his little mob of terrorists, had decided to try to infiltrate. And the police were very much aware of it. They came out in the masses and they shut it down. And just the fact that we're in this position and living like this in Canada is shocking.
And so, yeah, we're at war. And I'm calling for, I have a petition for a moratorium on immigration. We want to shut down all immigration from Islamic nations. And I want to see all manifestations of Islam shut down in Canada. Every mosque, which are mostly all our tax dollars, are paying to have them monitored 24-7 because they're terrorist cells. And you know the hate that is rising in Canada that's completely associated specifically with the Muslim population and I know that's not politically correct to use the term Muslim people want to use Islamist or Islamist extremists or Muslim extremists but it's it's all the core is Islam this is not a religion of peace, it's a dangerous political system and I'm not sure if you're aware of the, what do they call that the explanatory memorandum that was in the United States, it was found in a second basement in the Muslim in somebody that was high up in the Muslim brotherhood and it was used in one of the largest cases on terrorism in the United States and is in the Muslim brotherhood so it was basically a document.
On how on their plan to infiltrate the west and I'm just going to bring it up here it says in the Muslim brotherhood's own words the process of settlement.
Is a civilization jihadist process with all the word means the Ikhwan Muslim brotherhood must understand that their work in America or Canada UK etc is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and God's, Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions and this is exactly verbatim what they're doing the government, has I did a huge report on all of this our intelligence has reviewed it they told me it's accurate and if it's accurate we've had our intelligence come out, I don't know if you've heard about all of it right now it's a huge topic in Canada about foreign interference in our government and so we have many elected officials at all levels of government with dual citizenship, they need to be ousted. They need to be removed. Many of them are Muslim and Calistani Sikhs. How stupid are we? And because we're so nice, Canadians that we feel nobody should be discriminated against and everybody should be able to, you know, worship their own God. It's like that doesn't work.
Multiculturalism is a complete failure when the host values countries aren't being embraced. And then you tell me where in the 56 Islamic majority countries where I, as a white Christian woman, could sit in office. Tell me how that would work in China, Pakistan, North Korea. In any non-Western, non-Christian nation, tell me where I would be accepted to run for office. So why are we in our Western nations, why are we allowing other citizens from other faiths to run for office? It needs to be stopped all around the, I want to say in every Western nation, UK, because they have infiltrated and they are advancing incrementally their own agenda and trying to shut us down from protecting our sovereignty as a nation. And I'm very upset about that. And I'm not going to be silent. I'm not worried about political correctness. We have a right to protect our borders and to protect our country. And we are a Christian nation. And you come here and you respect that. Or I tell you, we'll pay for a flight and send you back to where you came from. And just on that note, when we're talking, we'll probably lead for a minute to the Palestinians, is that in, I don't know if you saw it, but in Istanbul, Turkey, 1.5 million Muslims came out in support of Palestinians. Wow.
It was just this sea, and they all had red flags, or I don't know what they were carrying. It was sort of from this distance. And I'm like, why aren't we shipping all the Palestinians to Istanbul? What is the purpose that Trudeau is so fixated on bringing Palestinians into Canada that pose us a defined, serious threat?
No, 100%. I want to get on. I just want to reiterate your point that whenever someone talks about Islamists or Islamism, I immediately think, okay, I understand where this conversation is going. You have no idea of your history of Islam. There is no political Islam that's separate from Islam. Islam is political. It's economic. It's cultural. It's every part of it. And at the end, it sticks religion onto it to package it also. 100% with you on that, Tanya. We've had Robert Spencer on numerous times, maybe four or five times, discussing this, along with many other experts in the field of understanding Islam. But it does fit in. You made the comment there, and you mentioned at the beginning about the Palestinian refugees. And of course, if you want Palestine, you can go to Jordan, really. They can go there. It's a big country, and not many people there stick them there. But it seems as though the Islamic world want the Palestinian issue because they can use it to hit Israel. But yeah, Trudeau, why is Canada wanting to bring people from the Middle East all the way over to Canada? It seems mad.
Because his party is dying and he wants the Muslim vote. But I still don't understand the logic there because you can't come into Canada being a non-citizen and vote. And so we've got about a year and four months before our next federal election. And so I imagine he's going to do what Biden is trying to do. They've got a mass invasion going on in the United States and Biden is trying to give them voting privileges and you just can't do that.
We're not going to, we can't sit back and allow this to happen. So I'm not sure what's going on with Trudeau. I think it's even bigger than that because back in February we had a huge win. I think he was talking about it after, not long after, it was almost the day after October 7th is when all of a sudden the world and the media propaganda started coming out against Israel.
And started making it out, like, because they were reacting, you know, that, whoa, whoa, you know, like, what are you doing? Like, there's innocent Palestinians there. And it's like, can we reflect on World War II for a minute? And where in America and Canada and everybody, the Brits came in and bombed Germany to stop Hitler. What about the innocent civilians then that got killed? It's a very unfortunate part of war. But in this war, I mean, it's even more complicated because the the majority of the Palestinians are involved with Hamas. They fully support them. They were hiding the hostages. I mean, they've got tunnels leading into their homes and weapons. And so to have all of this sympathy for them is absolutely propaganda.
And I did a show last night that is in support of, it was very much in support of Israel and trying to continue to constantly bring truth. But Trudeau has done something very shifty. So he started talking in, I think, about December about bringing Palestinians in because to unite them with their families in Canada. And I thought, OK, well, that can't happen because look what the Palestinians are doing in our streets. They pose a significant threat to us as citizens. So that doesn't make sense. And so then I started going to work in the background with Majed. We started meeting with high-ranking officials in Israel to say, if you start shipping Palestinians into the West, who are you going to have left as allies?
Look at the mess that Europe and the UK are in because they didn't shut their doors. And I know that, thank God, that Macron is going to be removed and Merkel is still a danger, but she's out and things are really, really changing. But you guys have quite a mess to clean up in deporting those people that illegally invaded your country. Well, we're being invaded in a much more nefarious way. Trudeau is giving them the red carpet. There are plane loads of people coming in. And, you know, it's very under the radar. So the average Canadian doesn't see what's going on. But now, all of a sudden, you're looking around and all these women are wearing hijabs. And I was in, and I don't want to say it by the color of our skin, because my God doesn't care about the color of your skin. He cares about the condition of the heart. But this was a European nation, white, white Christians. And there's nothing wrong with that. If so, then let's start complaining about the fact that, you know, Islam is filled with brown people. Like, how can you berate European nations for having white people? So it's part of a plan. And it's part of to destroy the democracies that we have. But it's all based on Christianity. That's why we were successful.
And so we're seeing it really unfold here in Canada.
It is a white replacement. I'm just going to come out and say it. That is the strategy. And so we ended up, they agreed. And so they said plus it's very hard to truly vet these individuals and uh you know allow them to leave that's something people can't wrap their heads around is that Palestine is not a state it is a district within Israel so they are under the Israeli government officials direction and so anyways we got that shut down headlines literally said by Mark Miller our immigration minister, that he was pissed off for the fact that things weren't moving along. Same title for Justin Trudeau. We never made it public back then. We've only just made this public that this is the work that Action 4 Canada, along with One Free World International, has been working on. So Trudeau was so fixated that there was a news headline last week that said, first Gazans come to Canada. So Majed is in Israel right now. I'm going, okay, what's happened? What's going on here? He's lying. How is this happening? Well, it ends up even in the article that this family, and of course it's a picture perfect family coming out with their small children and an infant.
The poster family from Palestine, not what's potentially coming out of there. And the headline said Gazan's come, but within the article, it said that they had paid to be smuggled into Egypt.
So why is Trudeau, who is he dealing with now and negotiating with? It's not the Israeli government. Is he negotiating with the Egyptian government? Who is he negotiating with and why is he doing this? And that was part of the special investigative report I did last week and last night as well, which will be available today on our Rumble page. But something very concerning is going on. And with this huge announcement in these last weeks, I mean, it was already in 2019, the head of our intelligence committee that provides a very in-depth report saying that Canada is under severe threat of foreign interference to the point that our very sovereignty and our chart of rights is under threat. And that's David McGinty that provided that report and his team. Well, he just came out with a new report. And of course, you can compound that over five years as to how much more grave and serious the matter has become. And so the foreign interference has now said that we've got sitting MPs that have been confirmed, have been dealing with foreign interference, and they're refusing to provide those names. And they might not do it until after the next election. Well, that's wrong.
And that there are countries that they're dealing with other than they name China and Russia and other countries and they won't name the other countries. Well, who are you... Importing, potentially from those nations, that we should have absolutely zero immigration from, because that could pose a further risk. So yeah, we have terrorists walking our streets, our doors are open. And that's why I started this by saying, Trudeau is 100% guilty of treason. And he needs to be charged and put away forever, put away forever, along with Chrystia Freeland and Mark Miller and his team.
Are there actually any Canadians left in Toronto? I don't know. It's been a while since I was there. It's been actually, yeah, it's been a while since I was there. It's terrible. Yeah, it's really scary. I mean, people don't feel safe going out and it's the whole GTA, Greater Toronto area, but it's not there. I mean, I live in Surrey and it's become pretty much the second capital of Calistani Sikhs from around the world. They don't have a real home and so Canada is this easy open door for immigration. So they've decided to set up camp here. We have the second largest Vaisakhi parade in the world here in Surrey.
The Islamists are now being, Muslims are now being flooded into Surrey as well. There's reports that because, you know, they get money, some of them up to $84,000 a year with all of the benefits the government is giving them. Our elderly can't make ends meet. We've got disabled and they're offering them all euthanasia so they don't have to pay their pensions I mean I did a special last night with Angelina Ireland on euthanasia in Canada and how it's expanding and it's incrediblyserious the vaccine injured, a woman is paralyzed from the neck down four times she has been offered to be euthanized, it was directly related to this mRNA gene therapy and then we've got veterans calling the veteran helpline who are being offered to be euthanized and so we're being replaced with in immigration we're being flooded with extremists andthe Trudeau is trying to take awaylaw-abiding gun owners to take away their guns and so we're like we're not giving them up and if anything we need to expand them because I was going to mention that I think it was last year on a bus that goes it's kind of a major route that's a couple of blocks away. And a guy yelled Allah Akbar and slit at a guy's throat on the bus.
So normally we would hear about that happening in London and, you know, in England. And here we are in Canada. And as well, they're trying to cover that up as far as the news reports and the police are concerned, because the government doesn't want Canadians to see that this flood of immigrants is not a good idea because the minority of the population are responsible for a majority of the crime. And we're talking serious crime.
Can I... The term Islamization, can I... How it fits in there? Because...
Canada is large, but it's also you've got a French part and you've got an English part. And most countries don't have that sort of separation. Maybe in Belgium you have it with Flemish and the German speaking. But actually you don't normally see that. And the French have traditionally been very proud of their culture. Is there pushback to mass immigration, Islamization in the French part? Or has it been across the board that Canada has capitulated?
Well, it's interesting you say that because we only have one province that's official French, and that's Quebec.
And the Bloc Quebecois had passed a bill, I can't remember when they did a couple of years ago, against any kind of religious symbols. And so women weren't allowed to wear the hijab. But that also meant that Quebec was strongly Catholic. And so as a Catholic province, all of a sudden, you know, they're saying that crosses also need to be taken down. And I think that they need to very clearly define as a Christian nation we're going to wear all the crosses we want and our education is only going to involve any kind of religious education will be Christian from the Bible and Macron in Quebec I just talked about euthanasia he's very much a globalist and it's very concerning and they have one of the highest euthanasia rates within their province as well.
And so there is pushback against the Muslims in Quebec, but not to the degree that's needed. And so it's questionable, the premier in that province and what they're doing. But I would say the majority of the problem is nationwide.
And it's not like one province is shutting down. Now, what I will tell you is that I was just listening to John Rustad, and we're going to have a provincial election in British Columbia in October. And the NDP and the Liberals are just, even provincially, they're lost. Like, they've lost their minds. They're filled with these ideologies and globalists. It's like mental illness has taken over within our government positions. And David Eby, John Horgan stepped aside. I think it was getting too hot for him. He's named in our legal action against the BC and federal governments regarding the COVID measures. And anyways, so David Eby was our Attorney General and he stepped into the position as Premier.
And, and, any, so the election is coming up and they're losing. So John Rustad is head of a new BC Conservative Party, not tied to the federal Conservatives. And he's in line with removing SOGI 123. But today, he even said, we're going to address immigration. Immigration and I was just sitting there going, doing you know like this little dance it's like wow did I just hear John Rustad say that meanwhile a province over you have Daniel Smith who took over for a globalist Jason Kenney and I think they're doing this good cop bad cop they're removing an elected official taking out the bad cop putting it in with the good cops so that people don't really realize what's going on Daniel Smith is moving forward on parental policies and some good policies, but to get elected, she ended up implementing approving halal banking to get the Muslim vote because the Muslims were lobbying her.
And so, I mean, that's approving Sharia law. And so we're going to be working to overturn that. I mean, we need to clean up our whole government. We need to remove all the Muslims. We need to remove the Sikhs. If you're not fully pro-Canada and that's where your interests are, then I'm sorry, you're in the wrong country. We'll pay that one-way ticket for you to sell your things and leave. I'd be happy to do that. But yeah, that's the kind of mess we're dealing with. But that populist movement, the nationalist movement is really picking up in Canada. And there is very good indication that John Rusted is going to win the election in British Columbia. And that will be massive. I've met with John as well and had dinner with him and discussed some of these things. and there's other good people who are speaking in his ear as well. And so once that takes place, it's going to start to have this, again, a stronger ripple effect for other provinces that will also be having elections in the near future.
Yeah, well, all the things you mentioned, we've got here. It was David Cameron, Conservatives in 2010 brought in same-sex marriage and made London the premier centre for Islamic finance of the West. And that's where we are now. My last thought, you talked about some leaders pushing back because they have an understanding of what it means for the nation state and what it means to be Canada. Is any of that coming from a Christian viewpoint? because I know certainly in the UK we've very few politicians now have any claim to being a Christian and that's certainly a no-no very different from the us where it's still it's still a thing really for many politicians to talk about going to church and and their faith in the UK we don't in Canada is any of the pushback coming from a belief in God, Christian faith or is it just coming from a concern at what's happening, crushing out Canadian culture?
Well, it's moving in that direction. John Rusted, when I spoke with him, he professes to be a Christian, but he's keeping that Christianity sort of under a rock. And part of it is because, you know, the voting, we don't want to, you know, not have the Muslims or the calisthenics, you know, vote for him, even though all of his policies are exactly what those groups of people would want. And but the press the press is there for them to start speaking more on those issues and there's for instance uh the premier of New Brunswick was the first one last year to come out on the rights of parent policies I was shocked and startled and pleased that uh he was doing this his premier Premier Higgs, when I spoke with him last year, I had an opportunity to meet with him in person. I said, could you tell me when exactly it is that you made this decision?
What caused you to say, I need to start making decisions on parental policies and start shutting down the LGBTQ? And he professes as well to be a Christian. And he said to me, it was, oh, yeah, it was around April. Well, what Action 4 Canada was doing is every year, it was our first, it was the first year we did that.
We just finished our second annual seven-week prayer walk for revival. Bible. And all of our chapter leaders and teams across Canada are going to legislatures, to school boards, to municipalities, and we're praying and walking seven times around these buildings, praying for our leaders, praying for our country, and praying for these demonic ideologies to be demolished, all of these strongholds to come down. Well, he had the idea implanted in his heart exactly when we started the prayer walks. So I give the glory to the Lord for much of what is taking place in Canada. I believe that God is being very gracious to us. All of our countries had turned our back on God in the sense that we were not caring enough about who we were putting in office.
What is the heart of this individual? I don't want to hear somebody is a Christian by lip service running for office. What is the fruit in their life? Is there evidence of it in their life? Are they honest? Do they have integrity? Are they fighting the right causes? Does it align with biblical principles? And God has said, anytime throughout history, when you turn your back on God, man, your country is going to come under severe opposition and oppression. So unlimited abortion in Canada, we're one of the only developed countries that doesn't have an abortion law. We are voted in same-sex marriage and sexual depravity. Well, that only takes root and it goes, it doesn't have a limit. And so from there, it went after our kids. And then as well, we didn't respect the top two commandments that you shall have no other gods before me and no idols. And so we've got, we have a right to,
If we're going to honor God, we just say, yes, Lord, and let him do the rest. And we're making that happen. We will shut down all manifestations of Islam in Canada. We will shut down these false teachings. And so more elected officials, as we're having these private conversations with them, are seeing the validity in that.
Maxime Bernier, since I had first met with him in 2018, he would have called himself a libertarian. He's a nationalist, a populist but he's also a Christian now he also gave his life to the Lord and so he is evolving in his understanding of what the spiritual battle is in Canada and he is acting accordingly and you know he's a newer Christian so he may not be out there.
Professing it but I'm seeing it in the works I'm seeing it in what he is doing and so to your viewers, I would just really encourage you, whether you're a Christian or not you can see that even as a non-Christian, living in a Christian nation allowed you more freedoms and democracy than you will have in any of those other non-Christian nations that I've mentioned. They may, some of them, not many of them may be a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there because most of it, these people, these good people living in those nations are living under the thumb of oppression. And we had freedoms when we were caring about who was in office. And so we just need to return to that. We need to return to biblical principles and living a pure and honest life.
A perfect place to end it. And as you have, He is risen. It's about not hiding your light under a bush, as we are told in Matthew, but letting it shine forth. And we are, whoever you are, whether you're watching as someone just private figure or whether you're a public figure, let your light shine. Tanya, thank you so much for joining us. And I know that people can go to actionforcanada.com, sign up to those emails, and also make sure they're following you on Twitter. So thanks so much for joining us and giving us an update, not only what's happening in Canada, but where your work fits in that. So thank you.
And thank you, Peter, for having me on. And I want to join you in a shout out to our good friend Valerie Price. I love her dearly.
There's only one Val. She's awesome. Thank you so much, Tanya.
Thank you. See you again. Bye.

Kevin Sorbo - Hollywood's Rebel: A Candid Journey of Faith and Film from Hercules to Reagan

Show Notes and Transcript
We are honoured to welcome Kevin Sorbo to Hearts of Oak. He is known for his roles in Hollywood, and he joins us to discuss two new, 'must see' Christian based films that are coming in August, Firing Squad and Reagan, and his career, highlighting his faith as a driving force. Kevin shares insights into overcoming challenges with faith and family support, his stance on conservative beliefs and his production company Sorbo Studios for family-friendly films are also discussed. He expresses criticism towards COVID-19 control measures and social media censorship. His dedication to faith-based films, such as 'God's Not Dead,' and advocacy for upholding beliefs in the industry are emphasized. The conversation also touches on societal and political topics like cancel culture, education, and climate change, promoting balanced perspectives. Kevin's future projects, interactions with figures like Donald Trump, and his endeavours in promoting authentic storytelling and historical accuracy are explored. This podcast encourages informed citizen participation in shaping the future and covers various personal anecdotes and societal issues.
REAGAN in theaters nationwide August 30   reaganmovie.comStarringDennis Quaid, Kevin Sorbo, Jon Voight, Penelope Ann Miller, Mena Suvari and Lesley-Anne Down 
THE FIRING SQUAD In theaters nationwide August 2  firingsquadfilm.comStarring James Barrington, Kevin Sorbo and Cuba Gooding, Jr.
Kevin David Sorbo was born in Mound, Minnesota, on September 24, 1958, At the end of 1986, he settled in Los Angeles. Kevin began to make guest appearances on such popular shows as Murder, She Wrote (1984). Kevin was a natural for the title role in what would become his signature series Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (1995). Kevin became internationally famous, and he learned the craft of film-making well enough to direct and co-write some of the episodes. Kevin even studied martial arts in order to do many of his own stunts. In real life, Kevin’s heart is as big as Hercules’– he leads “A World Fit for Kids!” as the chair and spokesperson. Kevin devotes much of his time to “A World Fit For Kids!” which is a successful mentoring model that trains inner-city teens to use school, fitness, sports and positive role models for themselves, and then become the coaches and mentors for younger children. In 1998, Kevin married lovely actress Sam Sorbo, best known for her dual role on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (1995) as Serena/the Golden Hind
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TRANSCRIPT
(Hearts of Oak)
I'm delighted to have Kevin Sorbo with us today. Kevin, thank you so much for your time.
(Kevin Sorbo)
My pleasure.
Good to be here, sir.
Great to have you.
And obviously people can follow you @KSorbs on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it.
And it's always fascinating looking into the background of guests.
And I had no idea you'd starred in over 150 commercials.
I kind of see you as in the movie sector, in Hollywood. but 150 commercials and then over 100 films and TV shows and a voiceover in obviously many video games.
And of course, you first shot the stardom back in the 90s in Hercules.
And more later, you've, I guess, become known as a Christian in Hollywood for your role in God's Not Dead.
And then we'll get on to the latest one, the latest two coming up, actually, Regan film where you play president Regan's pastor and the firing squad which I saw you discussing the firing squad and that intrigued me, but I actually never saw Hercules it wasn't something I actually saw when was younger.
It's more your faith your Christian faith and how that's engaged with with the whole Hollywood industry but I mean that happened as a break art rule.
You weren't a kid, you were a bit older.
I'm wondering how you were ready for that fame.
What was that like?
Fame with Faith-Based Movies or Hercules?
No, back in Hercules, because that was the breakout. So what was the fame like?
Yeah, you know, initially it was going to be five two-hour movies, and it was part of a thing called the Action Pack Wheel at Universal Studios.
And it was Hercules, it was Tech Wars, which Shatner was producing and directing on. It was Vanishing Sun, which is sort of a Kung Fu thing.
They had BJ and the Bear, which was a big movie or a TV series at one time.
They're going to make movies out of it.
And there was one other thing.
I can't remember what it was.
But anyway, that's what it's going to be, five two-hour movies down in New Zealand.
It was fantastic to be down there.
Anthony Quinn played Zeus.
So, I got a whole year working with, you know, Anthony Quinn from the golden age of Hollywood. You know, the guy was nominated six times for Oscars, won twice.
And then halfway through the third movie, I get a call from my manager and said, Universal Studios loves what they see.
They want to try to make it a TV series.
Well, by season three, we were in 176 countries and became the most watched TV show in the world, which is crazy.
And it ran for seven years.
It's still out there in like 50 countries even to this day. I still get fan mail coming in through Sorbo Studios.
That's always a good place to go, sorbostudios.com.
But after that, I went straight into Andromeda and being a huge fan of the original Star Trek series through reruns.
When Majel Roddenberry, Gene's widow called me up and said, you know, Gene wrote this show back in 1969.
And if he were still around today, I think he'd be honored to have you as the first captain he ever created after Captain Kirk.
So, I had five years on that show, shooting in Vancouver, Canada.
So, I was pretty much out of America from 1993 till 2005, living in either New Zealand or Canada.
And then I just started doing a bunch of independent movies.
And that's kind of how the road sort of brought to where I am today.
But it was sort of forced on me in a way because Hollywood, my manager and agent of decades, both said they couldn't work with me anymore about 10, 11 years ago because of what I was posting on the Internet.
I said, oh, you mean the truth?
was posting the truth on the Internet. God forbid you do that in today's world, apparently.
So, I formed Sorbo Studios and said, I'm going to do movies that Hollywood used to do.
They don't necessarily have to be faith movies, but just family-friendly and movies that have a good message instead of this woke crap that Hollywood wants to keep forcing down our throats.
So, Hollywood booted me out. Apparently being a conservative is a horrible thing, but being a Christian in Hollywood is even worse.
I'd be better off being a paedophile Islamic radical terrorist, and I'd probably get an Oscar for playing that in a movie.
That does tick a few boxes, I understand.
You had a health crisis back whenever you were filming Hercules.
You had multiple strokes.
What was that like?
Because you obviously fought through that.
You've come through stronger than ever.
But what was that like at the time?
Because you don't know what's happening to yourself if that is happening, that health issue.
No, no, look, I'm everything opposite of what stroke victims have.
They're overweight, alcohol, high blood pressure, All kinds of different things everything I was opposite of that.
I was pretty ripped up on her Achilles ears I was in great shape, but I had an aneurysm way up here in my my left sub-clavicle.
I didn't know about I always had weird things sort of feeling in the arm I couldn't figure what's going on, but ultimately that didn't being the problem when it opened up It sent hundreds of clots in tomorrow, but unfortunately a series of four clots from my brain and obviously very lucky I wasn't killed or paralyzed rest of my life, but it took me four months to really learn how to walk and balance again.
I got my speech back fairly quickly, thank God.
I still have a 10% loss of vision in both eyes, in the upper right quadrants of both eyes. So, yeah, it was brutal.
It sucked, you know, because my career was really taken off. I just done my first big-budget movie called Call the Conqueror, which was the prequel to Conan the Barbarian.
And we shot that for like $40 million over in Eastern Europe.
So, yeah, it was a little frustrating. that this was taking place.
And it obviously hurt me within the Hollywood world in terms of doing movies anymore, but they kept the Hercules going.
I went from a 15, 16 hour day to about a three hour day just to try to keep the show going in any kind of way.
But I appreciate that because it was, to me, it motivated me and gave me some light at the end of this really long, dark tunnel.
I wrote a book.
It's called True Strength.
People can pick up a copy.
It did very well in its first printing.
And my wife and I did a follow-up book called True Faith.
And all of a sudden, I got started doing all these speaking events, which I thought I'd never be doing.
I do about 12 to 15 speaking events a year now for the last 12 years.
I've already done five this year.
I've got another seven lined up.
So, it's sort of a sideline job for me that I never thought I'd be doing.
It's been quite interesting.
But the book is very motivational for people to stop blaming the world for your problems.
God never promises an easy life.
We'll always have obstacles.
How do you get past those obstacles?
The book has a lot of humor in it, it's autobiographical, and it's just, I think it's a good ride.
It surprised me how well it went over the people.
Obviously, you had two focals for you that helped you through that.
You had, I think you were just a newly engaged at that time.
I was.
But you had, and I've met Sam numerous times, and she has a strong character.
And obviously, you need that whenever you're going through that.
But then your faith.
I mean, tell us about kind of those two and how they work together to pull you through that difficult situation.
Well, I think I went through what most people go through and they have something like that happen to them, because I think more than the physical aspect of it, the psychological aspect was huge for me because everything was cruising pretty well for me.
And I was starting to break in to be the next big action hero guy for Universal Studios, sort of replacing Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And to have that happen to me, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went through that, you know, God, why me, you know, sort of thing.
But, you know, the faith was there.
I mean, I never stopped believing.
I never stopped, you know, questioning what happened to me.
Sam was tough.
She's a top Pittsburgh, New York, New York gal.
And every time I got down, she said, Kevin, it happened.
What are you going to do about it?
You know, so it was like, yeah, you know, stop blaming the world for your problems.
The reality is look in the mirror.
That's where you got to start.
And I kept saying to myself every day, I'm getting better.
I'm getting stronger every day.
I kept saying to myself and I pushed through it.
The first first two years really did suck.
I'll be honest about it.
I always said I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
And I go, I don't know, I'd give it to the Taliban.
They can have it.
But yeah it's like I just...
The third year sort of started really some good things started happening I started getting some good hope and a lot it just really sort of the, recovery accelerated I still have side effects that I know like I said the blind I have spot and have each I'll be playing ping pong with my kids and sometimes the ball just disappears so that you know quarter of a second.
So, I use that as an excuse so I didn't return the ball, but I still have balance issues that most people wouldn't be able to see because I still work out every day.
I do cardio every day. I lift every day. Not like I did in Hercules, but I still work out every single day.
I've already got my work on this morning before talking to you.
And yeah, so to me, it's like you just got to fight on.
ad things happen.
That's the way life is.
But I looked at it as a positive instead of a negative to push beyond and make myself better.
I think the only other concerted Christian involved in Hollywood.
I've ever sat on and talked to is Dwight Schultz.
And he told me about his struggles as a Christian supporting Reagan, specifically that story and how he was kind of ostracized soon after.
And you've talked about your faith and being cancelled because of that.
Tell us more about that and why you choose God over career.
Career because for some people that could be a difficult choice.
Oh, no question.
Look every movie I've been doing so I do about four or five movies independent movies a year.
I've already shot two this year I got three more lined up and every movie I've been doing like I said about six last six seven years I I'll get another actor maybe, I'll get a director, I'll get a lighting person, I'll get a makeup, whatever they come up to me privately and say hey they look around like we're doing a drug deal.
I say, hey, thanks for being a voice for us.
And I'm going, you know, be a voice for yourself.
People, but fear is an amazing weapon, you know, and every government in every country used it to control their lives during COVID, right?
Every government used fear to control their lives.
And I got taken, I lost 4 million followers on Facebook because I was posting the truth about COVID.
I was posting what doctors in Europe were saying or doctors in other countries, really just saying, look what they're saying.
Why can't we look at both sides of this?
Why is ivermectin bad for you?
Everything that I posted that they called misinformation or conspiracy theories, of course they all came true. And where is that Wussy Zuckerberg and my 4 million followers again?
You know, these guys, they're just, they use it to control our lives.
And there's so many people, I mean, I travel a lot and I still see that 1% still wearing masks. So they wear their liberal banner on their sleeve.
And I want to stop them and not laugh at it, but I want to say, okay, you see 99% of the people around here not wearing masks.
What goes through your brain when you're still covering your face?
I mean, I want to find out that answer.
I really do, because it's just incredible that the fear factor has been controlling so much of everything in the world.
Now, you saw what New Zealand did, their prime minister.
You saw what they did in Australia.
It was bad enough here in America.
We got the heck out of Dodge.
We left we left California about a year and a half before this whole thing even started.
We've been in Florida now for five and a half years and we barely wore masks here.
The only time I really wore a mask in Florida is when I went to the airport and I'd have to be 10 people coming up to me that worked at the airport to say, please put your mask on before I finally did it.
And then when I got on airplanes, I would have a bag of beef jerky and take it down and I'd eat for two hours.
So, I found ways to get around this stupid thing.
And now we realize even Fauci came out and said the six foot thing was made up.
We all knew that. And the masking didn't do anything.
And we all knew that.
But guys like Fauci and Bill Gates should be in prison for what they've done to the world because we're still seeing those shots played out what they're doing to people's lives every single day, what it's doing.
Anyway it's horrific what they did and they don't care they did it on purpose.
Yeah, it's never ending and I find whenever I look at someone wearing a mask as they're walking down the footpath or sidewalk for you my kids say: no, no, no, just move on move on, don't get involved.
You only get involved I get that.
Yeah, I do, I want to say something but I just oh my god you know what let them live in their in let them live in their fear what a horrible way to go through life every single day and ahh.
But the world has changed forever because of it now.
Oh, completely. Let me jump forward to you doing God's Not Dead in 2020, 2014 and literally that newsboy song is just it's fixed in my head I think everyone knows that song god's not dead.
You in that were a professor and this whole with the students standing up for their faith and whether they will stand up or bend over.
And a lot of maybe individuals, especially younger people in the education system, think, actually, it's easier.
I'm here to get an education.
My faith can be sidelined. But that was a hugely successful film on a low budget.
Big turnover coming in what was that kind of seemed to be a turning point for you or give you the I guess the ability to stand up and say actually this has given me the options now of doing more wholesome Christian-based films.
I mean tell us about that the film and then actually being a success and being told actually this won't work and yet it actually turning out very well yeah well.
I'm gonna go back to even a bit earlier with that I've been a Christian my whole life I've been a conservative my whole life first time I could vote, it was 1980.
I was old enough to vote.
I voted for Ronald Reagan, but that's another story.
But I got to say in Hercules, even though it was a mythological show, it wasn't biblical in any way.
The writers, which I had nothing to do with it.
Sure, I made my calls as, hey, can we try this?
Can we do that?
So, yeah, but they even wrote moral messages within Hercules.
Hercules never looked for fights.
I'll try to talk people out of it. We put a lot of humor in it because we needed to, because it'd be a show, otherwise it'd be easy to make fun of it.
So, we really like, wink, wink, let the audience in and have a good time.
But they put a lot of moral messages in there.
I like that.
So, if I go back a couple years before I did God's Not Dead, I did a movie called What If.
I've shot about 90 movies.
And I would put What If in my top three.
And What If was written by the same guys who did God's Not Dead.
In my book, What If is a much better movie.
And God's Not Dead is a very good movie.
But it shows you the independent world and how we got to get lucky.
We need word of mouth.
You know, when you're shooting budgets of two, three million dollar movies, that's catering budget in Pirates of the Caribbean.
They have three hundred million dollar budgets, a hundred million dollar advertising budget. And we got to compete against that.
So, when when I did “What If” and that the reason that even happened, the guy who gave me the script to read is a good friend of mine, Dallas Jenkins.
Well, Dallas now is huge with The Chosen.
And Dallas Jenkins is the son of Jerry Jenkins, who was the co-author with Tim LaHaye for the “Left Behind” books that were huge back in the 90s and my latest movie last year, I had two movies that I directed last year, one was called Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist.
So, I knew that that was the kind of movies I wanted to do when I did What If?
So, that was through Pure Flix, Pure Flix came to me two years later and said: hey we got this other movie and, don't know if you're interested.
You got to play a pretty bad guy.
I always joked I played an atheist college professor, which is redundant.
All you have to do is say college professor and you got that covered already.
But I read the script and I said, yeah, I want to play this.
I know people like this.
But what I liked about that story, even though I was a bit of a jerk, there's redemption.
And I like movies that have redemption at it.
They say, look, no matter how bad your life is, how bad things are going for you, there's still a chance in your life to become a good person.
And that drew me to that story.
And that little $2 million movie, talk about word of mouth. That thing made almost $70 million just in U.S. box office alone.
It made $140 million worldwide with streaming and DVD sales and merchandise and everything.
So, that movie was just crazy. And to me, and from there, I did Let There Be Light that Sam wrote and I directed.
Miracle in East Texas. Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist.
My gosh, Abel's Field.
I mean, I've done a lot of movies in that vein, but they don't all have to be, like I said, faith-based.
I mean, I think every movie is a faith-based movie.
If you're an atheist, pretty strong faith to believe in absolutely nothing.
Kind of sad way to go through life in a way, but I think I just want to do movies that are more of a positive message instead of a negative one, and that's what I've been doing ever since.
No, with my friends who are atheists, I always say I could never have your faith to believe in nothing and look at the complexity of the universe.
It's an impossible end to looking at the world.
So, yes, I agree.
Sorbo Studios, how did that come about?
Because it's probably easier just to be in the industry, to get paid as an actor, to actually set out and start that yourself.
Yourself is is probably it's quite a thing because you're going against you're providing something different and you're going against the grain.
How did that start and tell us a little bit about that?
Well, it really came off when Hollywood gave me the boot, because I still love the industry.
I love the creative process, I love being on the set, I love directing.
I started directing back my hierarchy of these years.
So, Sam and i talked about it I said let's form Sorbo studios.
We're very fortunate that we do get funded every so often, but a lot of the movies that come my way are from other independent producers and movie makers.
They look, I've got this role.
We are funded.
We'd love you to play in this role.
So, in fact, the three movies I'm filming later this year are all coming in from different indie producers.
So, every time I've raised money for my own movies, when I send my own scripts that came to me that people want me to be the production house of it, it's always been a God thing.
And I've got a very important meeting this weekend.
I got a gentleman flying in from Atlanta to meet with me here at my house.
And they've already offered us a three-year picture deal that if it does come true, this will be a godsend.
So, I feel so highly confident about this, because I know the guy's real, because I know a couple of the people behind him.
And if this does happen, we'll know by Saturday night for sure.
And that'll fund three of my movies for the next three years.
So, it's nine movie package.
And so Sam and I are freaking out because we've got amazing scripts that are in that $3 million to $5 million range.
And that to me is, look, I get stopped every day, whether it's at the grocery store, whether it's at the airport, the lobby of a hotel, and people say: "we love what you're doing."
We know that you got kicked out of Hollywood.
We know that you get attacked.
But we know if we see a Kevin Sorbo name on a movie, it's a movie I can bring my family to.
So that to me is high praise.
And, yeah, I could have kissed butt in Hollywood and kept my mouth shut, but I don't care.
I don't like the road they're going down.
I don't like the stuff they're putting out there.
I don't understand this woke agenda, this cancel culture world.
We've created this massive divide here in the world, not only in America, but around the world.
And we got so much anger and hate coming out, especially from the left.
I mean, I don't know how they live their lives like that.
They hate themselves for kind of, you look at Antifa, they cover their faces.
They're like terrorists.
I call them just a bunch of cowards.
They feel brave when they got another hundred of them with them.
But I would love to do a documentary on their lifestyle.
I would love to get them unmasked and talk about their lives and I bet there's a common denominator with each one of them and I got a feeling that that common denominator is not a very happy life growing up and leading into where they are now as adults.
Well, I was just on The Legal Entity today about doing some work on a similar organization we have here, the most art-spoken Antifa-like.
So, it definitely has to be done. But you're, I mean, Chris, you kind of look around, especially when you have kids, and you see what they're watching.
And you think, actually, it wasn't like this in my day.
You know, 12 meant something.
Now, whoa, what's that doing?
And it's the difficulty of parents allowing their children to consume media.
And parents sometimes feel powerless.
I mean, as a Christian parent, then, you want this to happen because you're a parent, because you're a Christian.
But also you want to make a difference in the industry.
Tell us about the options there are for parents who are concerned about what their kids are watching and consuming.
[Well, as you know my wife's a big home-school advocate and I know she told you you should be homeschooling as well.
I know
But you know, it's to us it's I think one of the blessings of Covid is that two million more families are now home-schooling, because they woke up and looked to see my god look at the school boards, look at our education system.
We all knew new American education has been falling down.
It's been falling since the 1960s.
It's just accelerated on itself since then.
We took the Bible out of school in 1964.
Look where we are now.
I think most of the kids, adults 30 years old and younger down to grade school level, have just been indoctrinated by our school system.
We're rewriting history, or they are rewriting history, and we're allowing it. We're tearing down statues of our forefathers.
I mean, I look at this and go, every country has good and bad history.
Every country does.
And to sit there and not, this is where history repeats itself when you forget it, right?
We're not teaching history in school anymore.
We don't teach civics here in America anymore, because we don't want children to learn earlier that it's we the people. And it's not we the people anymore.
Our government thinks they're God.
That's the thing.
They don't believe in God.
They think they're God.
One of the first things they did when COVID hit is what?
Shut down the churches.
Church God is not essential.
But liquor stores and strip clubs they left open they closed down all these little stores that you know, five generations little grocery stores in some corner of some big city close it down, but keep Costco open, keep target open, keep all these other major...
What's going on?
It's all about money, it's all about power, it's all about control.
We got Chinese buying up hundreds of acres of our farmland.
We've got Bill Gates doing the same thing, because they want us all to eat bugs now because occasionally, apparently farting cows are destroying the atmosphere.
I mean, don't get me going on climate change.
Yes, climate does change.
It's called seasons. I
t's called weather.
Don't get me going on this crap.
I can bring in, for every scientist they bring in saying the world's coming in because of climate, I can bring in another scientist and say the totally opposite thing.
But we don't ever let the other side speak up.
I did a documentary called Climate Hustle 2, and they won't even let it show on Amazon anymore.
It's just it's so silly and so petty but it's all about money.
That's why you can't talk about these things on the networks or even on cable, because who owns all that?
Oh, Pfizer does there's a Pfizer commercial and every every cable in television show all the time.
It's just it's it's crazy what we're doing and people are sheep in this country, we need to wake the sheep up somehow.
The lions better wake up to and.
A hundred percent.
And you don't hold back. I mean, I see you don't hold back, but when I follow you on Twitter, you speak your mind.
My Twitter account's funny.
Go to @KSorbs Follow me on Twitter.
I know, but tell me.
You saw my one.
You saw the one I said, you want to get rid of COVID.
Tell the Clintons COVID's got something on them.
It's so good, but you don't, I mean you get people in the in the public eye maybe hold back and decide actually my career and this may affect it, you don't give a damn and you really want to speak your mind.
I mean did you not make a kind of balance a judgment call on actually I've got a career should I speak my mind?
How does that fit together because you speak truth and you don't hold back.
Well, I didn't even think about it to be honest with you.
I remember years ago, I was at I was at a, it was like 2008 or nine.
And I was at a, I was at the Emmy Awards and with the Governor's Ball afterwards, we're heading to the ball.
And Tom Selleck walked up to me, who's a conservative and he's not just as vocal as I am.
And he told me I better tone down my rhetoric.
And I went, this is 2008.
I said, what do you mean tone down my rhetoric?
I didn't think, you know, I didn't think Barbara Walters like 10 feet in front of me, you know.
What am I doing that's so wrong?
I didn't quite get it.
And my wife kept warning me, Sam kept saying, they're gonna blacklist you, Kevin.
I said, but I'm not saying anything horrible.
I'm just saying, hey, isn't this great Ronald Reagan quote, what he said about abortion when he said, I've noticed everyone who's for abortion has already been born.
I think that's an awesome quote for that.
And all of a sudden that was negative stuff. I said, this is so weird.
You know, Peter I want to meet these people.
I need to meet these people that cancel you, cancel me, they need to come talk to us, because obviously they have led perfect sin-free lives and they need to really show us how to be people that are just as forgiving as they are and if people cannot detect the amount of sarcasm dripping out of my mouth right now then, I apologize.
Sarcasm doesn't always come over online, I get that I have to explain.
I want to touch on the two films you have coming up.
You've got Reagan on August the 30th, you've also got firing squad August the 2nd; two very different films, but Reagan is I mean I has there been film really done on Reagan?
I mean, I've looked and I don't see that.
So actually, this really did catch my eye.
Tell me how that came about?
And I think your Reagan's pastor, Dennis Quaid, is in it.
Tell us a bit about the film?
Well, it came about, there have been Reagan miniseries, documentaries and stuff on him, but they've never done a full-scale movie like Oliver Stone did for JFK back in the day.
And that's what this movie does.
This really covers is his entire life.
And Dennis Quaid and I worked together before.
We did a wonderful movie called Soul Surfer, the life of Bethany Hamilton, the little 13 year old girl who lost her arm in a tiger shark attack.
And Sean McNamara, who directed us in that, directed this movie as well.
And Howie Klosner, who was a good friend of mine, he wrote the Reagan movie as well as writing Soul Surfer.
And he just wrote the script off a book that I'm gonna be directing and starring in, hopefully early next year as well, called Four Seasons.
It's a wonderful, touching, touching true story.
You know, they came to me with it.
I played the pastor when he was younger.
So, it's David Henry, plays the younger Reagan.
o, I'm in like the first part of the movie. Dennis did a great job.
I've only seen bits and pieces of it.
I've been invited to a couple of the screenings of it.
But every time they've invited me, I've been off filming somewhere.
So, the timing's always been bad.
So, I'm looking forward to it.
Coming out August 30th when it comes out in theaters.
I'm going to go see it with everybody else.
I like being in a theater with those kind of movies, those big epic movies.
So, I'm looking forward to that.
It just came about by that reason and that reason only.
They called me up and said, hey, we got this role.
I read it.
And I said, heck, yeah, anything to do with Reagan, I'm going to be part of it. So I'm looking forward to it.
Look, Reagan was a brilliant guy.
Yeah, he was an actor. But he was always a politician.
He was very smart.
He used to be a sports broadcaster back in the day.
He became the SAG president, the Screen Actors Guild president, before he became governor of California.
And I just remember seeing the stuff he says.
I challenge anybody to go online, look at Ronald Reagan's speeches, and tell me if he speaks better than Joe Biden or Joe Biden speaks better than Ronald Reagan.
I mean, where we are right now, it's just, it's a comic book and it's just, but you know, we're coming up with another big election here.
And I just think if you cannot have, you'll, we'll, we'll never have honest.
Voting with mail-in votes.
It's impossible.
And I'm not just saying the left only, both sides can cheat.
Who's going to cheat better?
Because it's insane what we're doing right now.
Now, to me, it's like you vote on the day of the election.
I say make the election day a holiday.
Go and vote.
And you get one vote and show your bloody ID.
There's nothing racist about showing an ID.
It's so immature you say that.
So, you're saying, oh, so a black person is too stupid to be able to get an ID.
So, when they travel, every time I travel, there's any African-Americans in front of me.
They show IDs.
I feel like saying, was it difficult for you to get the ID?
So, it's just silly.
The reasons they come up with.
And Biden, Uncle Joe, has let 15 million people across our border.
You wait.
We've already had all kinds of repercussions of the crime.
You wait and see what happens with the amount of terrorists we've let into America.
You think 9-11 was bad?
It's going to be a massive 9-11 on scale in 30 cities on the same day in the next couple of years unless we do something about it.
And I honestly believe that.
I mean, Trump, I mean, I've had the privilege of seeing Trump speak three times and meeting him. And you watch a Trump rally and it's something to behold.
He's great.
We went to his birthday.
His birthday party.
We had 6,000 people.
The room was packed for his birthday.
And he was born on Flag Day here in America, which I find quite interesting.
It's so good.
But he connects with people like no other.
And when you kind of see him speak, it kind of is that Reagan-esque.
Because Reagan wasn't in politics.
Can I tell you something to make people angry?
That's me golfing with him right there.
That's to give me a few more haters
I love that.
The guy is a really nice guy.
I've known him for almost 20 years now.
We met back in 2005.
And I'll tell you something.
He is so nice to people.
They've spent the last nine years trying to find dirt on him.
You know, they are slowly finding, okay, he had affairs.
So did Clinton.
So did everybody.
There's hush money everywhere around.
I don't advocate that, but to find stuff on his kids, they can't find nothing on his kids.
He's a great father.
We golf together, and we go out there.
He thanks everybody on the course for being there. He walks up, gets out of his golf cart, shakes everybody's hands.
He's very nice.
He's got a sharp, sharp memory.
And the only thing I want them to do when they have these debates coming up is shut the hell up.
Let Biden talk.
Let him just talk.
Don't do what you did last time and cut him off every half a sentence.
Let the guy talk and let America know.
Look, I think there should be a drug test after the debates too, because all they're going to do is jack him up with B12 and whatever.
They're going to put a human growth cell.
I don't know.
They'll do anything to make Biden coherent for about an hour.
They've done that every time.
We've seen enough on the news how he looks.
And it's kind of, to me, it's sad.
To me, it's like elderly abuse at this point.
How does that, because, yeah, they need to sell that stuff, whatever it is they put them with, that actually is gold dust.
It does seem to work for a time and then it malfunctions.
And we see that over here.
But it's the right, because we've seen a rise of opposition towards mass immigration, especially in the whole LGBT agenda across Europe and the European Parliamentary elections.
We are seeing with Nigel Farage, suddenly excitement in the UK general election, 4th of July.
And then you've got in November.
And it does seem to be that people are waking up.
It does seem to be the pendulum has swung too far one way.
Yeah, people are waking up.
It's just, you know, when you get, we get strong names out there.
When you get like a Shaq, the basketball player, O'Neal, you know, Shaq O'Neal.
You get Charles Barkley.
And you know these are very wealthy very powerful African-Americans everybody knows they are, because of the sports world they even coming out and saying look what have the democrats done for us last six years?
How they made our lives better?
How they made poverty go away?
How they how they made education get better?
How they made job opportunities get better?
They have not, so this is like people need to wake up and start going okay you know I'm tired of this voting this way for this reason, because I'll be honest, I voted for Clinton the second time around.
I thought he did a pretty good job.
He was more of a centrist.
He was working with both sides of the aisle. I voted him for the second time around.
So, I'll admit to that.
I mean, I've always been a truly independent guy to look at things.
But I think people just need to be honest about where is your life better?
I mean, when Biden got in office, he took away everything that Trump did.
Trump made us energy independent.
Gas is $1.80 a gallon.
It's still anywhere between $4 and $8 a gallon, depending what part of the country you're in here in America.
He got rid of all that so we could buy oil from countries that hate us in the Middle East.
So, we keep funding our own wars against ourselves.
It's unbelievable. unbelievable and every time we do another 60 billion dollars to Ukraine.
How much of that actually gets to Ukraine?
I swear to god that comes back and they put a lot of that in their own pockets. It's just it's crazy what's going on in our country right now.
It is so evil, it is so diabolical and we got a country here that just goes, oh well what can we?
So apathy is what's ruling in America right now people need to wake the hell up.
I agree, and for UK viewers they need to pray that actually the result in November is the result we want, because everything is indicating that way which makes me concerned.
Can I, just one question on Reagan, how is Reagan viewed in the US, because Reagan and Margaret Thatcher they were kind together.
Margaret Thatcher has been attacked certainly in the UK and maligned and ridiculed and her huge stature has been a topic of ridicule really with our media and our education system.
What about President Reagan?
Does he still have that stature that he had or is that under attack from the establishment?
All I can tell you is that when we lived in California, we lived only eight miles away from the Reagan Library.
So, we were home-schoolers.
We had yearly subscriptions there.
Every three or four months, we would go out there to see what was going on.
Every time we went, that library was packed, was packed.
And I was in Arkansas one time, so I went to see the Clinton Library just out of curiosity. It wasn't that crowded.
I mean, it's interesting to see what these people are doing out there right now.
Kevin, I saw you put a short video out talking about Firing Squad that's coming out on August the 2nd.
Very different film than Reagan.
And you were talking about not only the story itself, but the opportunity for people to respond to a salvation call to actually become Christians.
I thought that's intriguing.
I get the Christian movie but actually allowing people to respond to Christ, that's something different.
mean tell us about the film and why you kind of want to use it to actually point people to Christ?
Well first of all that was Tim Chey, the director, who came up with that he wants to save a million souls through the movie.
So, that was his sort of his tagline is that I want to bring a million souls back to Christ or to find you know have Christ become a part of their lives.
And I thought, it's great when they do it?
Look, they did on God's Not Dead. It was amazing free advertising.
They would Willie Robertson, you know, one of the Duck Dynasty guys at the end of the movie, he had sort of a cameo role in God's Not Dead.
At the end of the movie, he looks at the audience and he says, take out your phones right now, text everyone you know, God's Not Dead.
Brilliant free advertising. So, they just millions of more people said, what is this?
The God's Not Dead thing.
And then, but they were, what a way to get out to people.
I He brought me the script and, you know, we tried to work together in a couple of the moves before.
The timing was never right for either of us where he would, I'd be busy or he'd be busy, whatever.
So, this one finally worked out.
I read the script and I said, this is an amazing story. It's another true story, which I love these true stories.
And it's about an American, I'm sort of one, it's Cuba Gooding Jr. is in the movie as well.
And it's really, a three-way story but the main characters this other character that comes in that he is sort of the last guy that I try to save his soul, because I play a guy that in my 20’surfing in Indonesia.
I saw a guy flirting with my girlfriend and he paddles in there he was angry, got in a fight with the guy, and he killed him.
Whether it was on purpose or accident I don't know the full story behind it, but he got killed during the fight.
He got the life imprisonment he got the death penalty in Indonesia, so during the next decades while I was in there this angry guy in his 20s found God, found Jesus, became a pastor, went through the whole thing, schooling, become a pastor.
And we preach all the time within the prison.
And he saved a lot of souls, the inmates and guards alike.
And near the end of the movie, because it's more of the end of the movie after my ending, because he did get executed in 2015.
He was actually executed by firing squad.
So, they still have that in Indonesia.
He refused to wear the mask because all the guards is a new one now because they became friends in a way.
He wasn't a threat to anybody in the prison. He talked to everybody.
And that was his home.
And he realized that was going to be his home.
And he took the mask off, just put it down.
He smiled at him before they shot him and said, remember that God loves you and I love you too.
And then they shot him.
And it's just an amazing story.
And August 2nd, that comes out.
People go to film.
It's called firingsquadfilm.com.
It's firingsquadfilm.com.
And they can see the trailer for the movie and get information.
I hope it makes it over there across the pond.
I'm hoping it does.
We'll see what happens with it.
I know they have plans for it.
But, you know, it's just a wonderful story.
And I was proud to be part of it.
For the Reagan and Farrant Squad, do you have, like, premieres where you're at, where you show up beforehand?
Because it is a conveyor belt in one way. You're doing so many, but it's not just the film.
Actually, you have to promote it to let people know what's happening.
So, what's your involvement with, I guess, both of those, firing squad beginning of August and then the end of August, Reagan?
Well, firing squad is kind of because it's coming out almost four weeks before Reagan does.
That's the one they've kept me really busy on.
And I've been out, I mean, I think I've already done.
Gosh probably least 150 interviews on it.
Wow
You're 151 so long it's and I've gone to about eight cities to show to talk about the movie and screen the movie.
We've had like you know Seattle, Dallas, Chicago, wherever we go, and we have a screening for the movie.
And I've been to other places where I do my normal speaking events but then we show a trailer for the movie.
So, we're getting exposure out there, which is good.
I think we're going to open here in America on 2,000 screens.
I think that was the game plan.
And, you know, we'll see what happens.
But we need, once again, word of mouth.
You know, we got a budget for promotion.
But, you know, it's mostly guys like me and Cuba Gooding that are out there, you know, doing what they're doing, like interviews like this to try to bring some, you know, word of mouth.
We can't afford to show a commercial at every sporting event or sitcom or soap opera here in America that shows the trailer.
So, once again, we're battling against the behemoth of Hollywood and the divisive, angry, woke culture.
You know, it's weird to me. I mean, I love when they call me homophobic.
I'm going, well, I'm not afraid of people who are gay, so I'm not homophobic.
And I've been in the industry for 40 years, and pretty much every movie I've been on, there's been a gay or a lesbian, somebody on set.
You will not find one of them.
You won't find one that say, oh, my gosh, he was so evil.
He was so mean. Because I treat everybody the same.
I like having a great time on the set.
I like to keep it loose.
I like to have a lot of laughs in between setups.
And you just won't find one.
But, you know, this is the culture we live in now.
We live in a world that if your point of view is different than theirs, boom, they attack you.
And you're guilty now before being proven innocent.
And it's just crazy land right now.
And these are people, I said, these people hate themselves.
They do not like who they are.
They don't like the direction they've taken in life. But they want to drag you, Peter, and me right down the black hole that they live in.
And their attacks on me don't affect me at all.
It doesn't make me think one way or another at all.
I'm doing what I'm doing, because I love what I'm doing.
And I look in the mirror and I like the life that I'm leading.
These are people that hate who they are and they just want to spread their hate to the rest of the world.
And it's a really sad and pathetic way to live every single day like this.
Where because they failed in their life, they've just given up on life.
I'm a 13-year overnight success, okay?
I failed many times, but I never gave up.
I kept plugging along, and that's what you got to do.
Failure is a good thing.
You learn from these things.
But unfortunately, most people just want to blame the world for their problems, and they just give up.
No, it's right you see the Antifa you see the LGBT and lobby and there when you look at it and it shows you good and evil because you see the evil you see it has to be demonic because, the anger the vitriol, the hatred, they have of a different viewpoint has to be demonic there's no other way of explaining it.
Yeah, well pride pride is one of the deadly sins it's the most biggest is deadly sin.
And here in America, we have pride month. Give them pride day.
I don't care about that. But we give our vets one day.
We give pride a month to a population that is, what, 3% of the population in America?
They get a whole freaking month.
Why?
To me, it makes zero sense.
And our vets get one day.
One day. And these are the people, just like they did for the Brits, these are the people that have given people the right to have a free life, to have freedom of expression.
And yet pride gets a whole month.
It's crazy.
Go back.
You were saying that Maggie Thatcher had all these attacks on her.
What did she do for England?
She did amazing stuff for England.
She brought it, I mean, she, yeah, that's socialism, but she brought it into the world of capitalism as well and opened so many doors for people and cleaned up neighborhoods and cleaned up crime.
But that's the left.
They're doing the same thing in America.
They're attacking that.
I remember meeting a guy, Giuliani, he cleaned up New York City. New York City became walkable again.
Look at now.
It's just a dirt hole.
Every city in America, my home state of Minnesota, is just as bad as New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Salem, all these places.
I mean, Seattle. They're all horrible now.
Every single one are run by Democrats.
What does that say to people?
People now look at that and go, here we go. Look at all these things, and they're all run by Democrats.
All right, Detroit, Detroit in the early 1950s was the number one economy in America, mostly because of the car industry.
Number one economy, three million people living there.
They have not had a Republican mayor since 1954.
Look at them now, 600,000 people in that city now.
They lost 2.4 million people, moved the hell out of there.
They said, this city is, hey, forget it, we're out of here.
And it's just sad.
And yet people sit there and still vote the same way.
You know, we got 8 million people have left the state of California in 10 years.
8 million have left the state of California.
They're filling in Nevada.
They're filling in Texas.
They're filling in Tennessee, filling in Florida.
And all the posts, you know, these posters are up saying, don't California our state.
You know, because they leave that state.
There's liberals leaving that state in droves.
They moved to another state, and yet they vote the same way.
And then they see that state start to fall, and they're going, huh, I wonder what the problem is here.
So it's like, wake the hell up.
That's true.
I mean, just on the political side, to finish off with, I remember going to L.A for the first time ever in 2022, going twice and thinking: I wish I was here whenever Reagan was governor.
I wish I was here to actually experience what the state was like, because what it is now is a world away.
Azerson, I think L.A and D.C being the only places in the states that I felt unsafe.
yeah
You go to Florida, you go to Texas, even Virginia, lots of other places Colorado and and it's it's beautiful, it's lovely.
You don't have that fear where actually I remember vividly on the subway in D.C and L.A and thinking: I don't want to do this again this isn't good.
No, it's horrible.
It's horrible what they've done.
There's a, there was a buddy of mine left San Diego; this is like two or three years ago, he got it.
He said, I'm done.
He went to get a U-Haul, a truck to move all his stuff out of his house.
He was moving to Texas.
He took a picture of Employee of the Year, and it was Governor Newsom for the UL company, because so many people left that state.
And he'll probably be the one running for president next go-around.
I mean, it's just like, what, because he's got good hair?
He was horrible at what he's done to that state.
And how are they dealing with homeless people now?
They're walking around giving them shots of vodka.
That's their answer.
Give them clean needles and shots of vodka and everything will just be fantastic.
Oh, I agree it's a disaster and I mean we're praying for a result in November.
Kevin I really appreciate you coming on I'm really looking forward to the Firing Squad and to Reagan the end of August.
I hope they make it over the water over to the UK and Europe.
I hope so too and I appreciate being on there.
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All right thanks Peter appreciate it.