Hearts of Oak Podcast

Miriam Grossman MD - Lost in Trans Nation: The Gender Identity Battle in Your Own Home

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We think Dr Miriam Grossman has just written the most important book for parents today. It is titled "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" and it even comes with a forward from none other than Dr Jordan B Peterson. Dr Miriam joins Hearts of Oak to discuss this timely release which she wrote primarily to help parents navigate the trans narrative, imploring them to reject the advice of gender experts and politicians, to trust their guts, their parental instincts, in the face of an onslaught of ideologically driven misinformation that steers them and their children toward risky decisions which they may end up ruing for the rest of their lives.She tells us why the medical world and most of our institutions have been captured by this new dogma and how whistle-blowers have lifted the lid on this destructive industry.Please share Dr Grossman's message widely.   
Miriam Grossman MD is board certified in psychiatry and in the sub-specialty of child and adolescent psychiatry. Before gender ideology was on anyone’s radar, she warned parents about its falsehoods and dangers in her 2009 book about sexuality education, "You’re Teaching My Child WHAT?"Dr. Grossman’s practice currently focuses on gender-distressed young people and their parents. She believes that every child is born in the right body. Dr Grossman has been vocal about the capture of her profession by ideologues, leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents.The author of five books, Dr. Grossman's work has been translated into eleven languages. She has testified in Congress and lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations.Dr. Grossman is featured in the Daily Wire’s What Is A Woman?, Fox Nation’s The Miseducation of America, and many other documentaries.  Her expert psychiatric opinion is sought for witness testimony and court reports.
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Interview recorded 28.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment, with Dr. Miriam Grossman.You will probably have seen her on Matt Walsh's excellent What is a Woman, Daily Wire documentary.She was interviewed on that and she has written her latest book.Lost in Trans-Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness with foreword by none other than Dr. Jordan Peterson.And she joins us to discuss this book, which is an essential read for parents.If you're a parent you have to get this book. It will help you navigate the trans chaos which we are now all facing. She joined us to talk about the book, why she wrote it for parents, all the information there in the appendix for parents to really understand this issue and then we look at why everyone is pushing the whole trans narrative including all of those in the medical industry and of course her background in psychiatry and then we look at whistleblowing. Tavistock Clinic obviously whistle-blowers there exposing what was happening and the same thing is now happening in America and how important whistle-blowers are. So much packed in to a short interview for this fantastic book. 
Dr. Miriam Grossman it is wonderful to have you with us today thank you so much for your time. 
(Miriam Grossman MD)
Oh you are so welcome Peter thank you for having me. 
Not all I and as I was saying before I should come across you're teaching my child what which is quite a while ago, but people can find @Miriam_Grossman. They can follow you there on Twitter and MiriamGrossmanmd.com is the website. Everything is in the description. Of course your background is psychiatry and you find yourself on one specific topic, but before we get into the topic of the book which is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness', that we'll bring up in a moment. Could I ask you just to introduce yourself to, we have maybe 75% UK audience, 15% US. I'm sure people will have seen you in that wonderful...What is a woman? 
I nearly forgot, goodness, I've watched it a billion times, and what they have done at the Daily Wire is fascinating. But can I ask you to introduce yourself before we get into the book itself?
Oh, sure, of course. Well, I'm a child, adolescent and adult psychiatrist. And, years ago, I was working exclusively with young people as a psychiatrist at the University of, California in Los Angeles. And I became alarmed at the number of kids that I was seeing, students that I was seeing who had a sexually transmitted infection, multiple abortions, worries about having HIV. And so I started to look into sex education at that time, and to study what young people are told about sexuality and about staying healthy.And I was really quite aghast. I discovered that the way that sex education stands at this time, not only in the US, but in the UK as well. In fact, I spoke about this in the House of Lords, 12 years ago. 
I work in the House of Lords, so I may just have started working at that time.Yeah. So I was terribly alarmed and disturbed, as I think any decent person would be, be to discover what kids were being taught at that time.And it was basically not about sexual health. It was about sexual freedom.And so essentially kids are being told at any age, whenever you feel ready for sexual behaviour, only you can decide and so on and so forth. And being introduced to what many people would consider fringe behaviours, but of course now times have changed and what used to be fringe is now just, you know, run-of-the-mill, I guess, you know, vanilla kind of stuff, but it really was quite alarming and it did answer the question for me of why are so many kids suffering at this time from sexually transmitted infections and abortions and, you know, the emotional part of it as well. So while I was doing that research about sex education, I kind of stumbled across gender ideology and what kids were being told about being male or female. I had never seen this stuff before, and this was back in maybe, I don't know, 2006 or 2007. This was a long time ago. And I discovered that students, even younger students, in elementary school, I'm not sure what you would call that in the UK, but that they were being told that there are many, you know, that there's a spectrum of identities in terms of male and female were just like two extreme ends of a spectrum that had many, many points in between.And in fact, that if we limit ourselves to just male and female, that's an oppressive paradigm.I'm sorry, an oppressive paradigm. I'm sorry Peter, I've been talking a lot, so my voice is getting weak.So it was put into the language of a political Marxist kind of language of that it's oppressive, and that it's false, and it's something that has to be brought down.So it was presented to kids in terms of a civil right, in terms of an entire class of people who were being oppressed by this idea of binary, which was a white male European idea.And I just said to myself, oh my goodness, what is this?You know, I'm a doctor, but you don't have to be a doctor to know that there are only two sexes, male and female. We are mammals. Mammals are dimorphic species. That means male and female.Other species may have another situation or they may be fluid. The clownfish apparently can be kind of a fluid situation there. We are not clownfish. We are mammals. And I was extremely alarmed that kids were being presented with these ideas that had no basis in medicine, no basis in science. And what they were was more like a belief system. An irrational belief system that told these kids, instructed these kids that the way that you feel at the moment is what you are. And that your biology, that's really not too important. So, you know, as doctor with tremendous respect for our biology. Again, I was alarmed at what this was going to, what effect this was going to have, especially on kids who were vulnerable, kids who might have other issues going on and might be destabilized by this idea that maybe, you know, they're in the the wrong body.And I wrote about that in my book, 'You're Teaching My Child What?', which came out in 2009.I had a chapter there called Genderland.And I compared what is being taught to kids to Alice in Wonderland, this bizarre, you fall down this hole and you land in a place that is bizarre and doesn't make sense, right?That's where Alice ended up in Wonderland.There were no, all the rules that she was used to didn't make sense and all the characters that she met didn't make sense.And that's how I felt as I was exploring this gender ideology that kids are being told.So I wrote in my chapter there, 2009, and by the way, people can read that chapter on my website.I have it up on merriamgrossmanmd.com.And so I warned parents and I said, these, these are not the idea.You don't want your kids, believing these ideas because this will be a disaster for children to think that they were in the wrong body and that they need to medically alter their bodies and maybe take hormones, medications for what essentially is going to be probably an emotional issue that they're having, and it may just be a temporary distress that they feel about their bodies. So we do not want to be giving these kids a medical interference.Anyway, unfortunately, it's taken this catastrophe that we're in right now to open people's eyes that our kids have been indoctrinated and are being indoctrinated every day with these ideas.And so my newest book is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness'.And it is exclusively about the transgender issue.And what I'm doing in this book is educating parents. This is not a book for professionals, although professionals will learn a lot, but it is written for everyday moms and dads to read and understand what this trans ideology is about and how it is not based in anything scientific or medical. It is an irrational belief system. And it has become a, turbo-charged crusade through our culture targeting our young and vulnerable kids.So the book gives parents what they need to not only to deal with it if they're living through it right now with one of their kids, but perhaps more importantly, to avoid it the future. So if your children are still small, it's a book that you want to have and learn how to reach your child before these gender zealots, I'm going to call them, reach your child because they are waiting to reach your child, they want to reach your child, and they want to instruct your child in this ideology. And part of the ideology parents need to know is that if parents don't agree and they don't, you know, and they're cautious and they, you know, if they if there's a child, let's say a boy, who announces to his parents that, I'm not your son, I'm your daughter, I want you to use this new name and these pronouns. And I want you to take me to a gender affirming therapist. And if parents just want to say, okay, well, one minute, one minute, you know, this is big. This is really big. So let's just, I want to ask questions. I want to do research. I want to find out. I am not going to use your new name at this at this moment. We need to do a lot of research. So the kids are told that a parent like that, who doesn't at once accept the new identity is a bad person.And that their home may not be a safe home. So you see, this drives a wedge between kids and their loving parents.I have been, for the past few years, seeing these families in my office, both the children or the teenagers and young adults who are distressed about their sex, as well as their parents.And this was one of the huge motivating factors that I realized parents need guidance.They have nowhere to turn.It's a little better now compared to when I started writing the book about, I don't know, a year ago, a year and a half ago or so.Now there are a few organizations, but they still might be difficult to locate.And the mainstream organizations, the doctors, the social workers, the school counsellors, principals, the government organizations, they're all going to go with this narrative that says, the child knows best.Let the child decide.Parents take the back seat, the child is driving, the child is driving in the driver's seat.We don't do this in any other field of medicine.This is not the practice of medicine.Can I ask you, let me bring up the website again, and that is the book you were talking about, 'You're teaching my child what?', with that chapter, Physician Exposes the Lies of Sex Education and How They Harm Your Child.This is the 'Lost in Trans Nation', just out by Skyhorse, who do so many good books I've learned over the years.But you start off with Jo Money's Dangerous Idea, chapter one.I will leave that aside because that's where this started.But then chapter two, Psychiatry's Dangerous Idea.How has the medical world and the educational world grasped on to this idea which, as you say, the child is the one making the decisions, it goes against everything we know as a society up until this point and suddenly everything gets thrown in the bin and now a child knows what they're doing.How did everyone kind of become bewitched by it?Okay, well, I'll mention also, now that you have the book up there, that the foreword is written by Dr. Jordan Peterson, and I'm forever grateful to Dr. Peterson for writing a phenomenal, phenomenal foreword.So you asked what happened to the medical and educational professions.I mean, the short answer is that there has been a crusade of believers in this belief system, this ideology, and they have been wildly successful in their march through our institutions.And I'm a medical doctor, so I'm particularly interested in what happened in my profession.And I can tell you that the watershed moment really in psychiatry was about 10 years ago, when the American Psychiatric Association, in their newest edition of the DSM, which is the Manual of Psychiatric Disorders, decided to remove a diagnosis of gender identity disorder.So until 10 years ago, it was considered a psychiatric disorder, for a person to feel so much distress over their sex that it really impacted, you know, their day-to-day function.And, you know, they insisted that they wanted to live life as the opposite sex and so on.So that was a, and also someone who had tremendous distress about their bodies, their genitals, their breasts and other characteristics of being male or female.It had to have been really causing significant distress for quite some time.Now, these cases of people with gender identity disorder were very, very rare.When I went to medical school, which was a while ago, but when I went to medical school and I did my training in psychiatry, and then in child psychiatry, I never saw one instance, one case of someone with gender identity disorder.It was so rare that, you know, we just thought of it as something that's in the textbooks that we're never gonna see even one case in our entire lives.So, you know, fast forward now, or, you know, five, eight years ago, and there's a veritable, tsunami epidemic of kids.And I'm sure your audience is aware that, you know, the Tavistock GIDS Clinic reported that the numbers of referrals that they got, went up by 5,000%.Yeah. 
That's that crazy graph, which just blows every sensible thought out of the water.
Correct.So the question, of course, when you look at that graph, everyone is going to ask what the heck is going on with the number of referrals.But just getting back, I wanna answer your question, Peter, about the American Psychiatric Association.So the decision that they made to remove the diagnosis of gender identity disorder, and replace it with the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was really a very big deal.Because what they did with that is that they said it's no longer a disorder.And instead of focusing on the identity part, that a person's identity did not match their, biology, they focused on the fact that a person has distress over it. So that if a person has that incongru...Well, if you want that mismatch, so to speak, between how they feel and their body, but they don't have significant distress over it.It's not a, there's no diagnosis.And that, I write about that and how that decision was made.And it was based on two things.Number one, it was based on compassion.Because the professionals who were in that group, that committee, who had the responsibility of studying this subject and making a decision, they were concerned about the very rare individuals who have the disorder.And have very difficult lives, and part of the reason that their lives are difficult is because of stigma. And so they wished to remove the stigma, and they felt that, the quality of life of those people would improve if psychiatry did not consider their condition a disorder. Now, there were a lot of people who argued for the entire diagnosis, the whole category just to be removed, completely taken out of the DSM. So why didn't they do that?Well, they didn't do it because, you see, people who have gender identity disorder or or gender dysphoria, whatever we're going to call it now, need treatment.They're going to very often go for mental health and medical and surgical treatment.Now, for that to be reimbursed, you need a code, a diagnosis for the insurance.I mean, I know that you have a national health service that's a little bit different than what we have over here.But I'm sure that you still need some sort of a code, right?I mean, something has to be considered, have a diagnosis in order to be paid for.So, those were the two things that were behind the decision for the American Psychiatric Association to make that change.And that was a huge change.Now, based on that, you know, other organizations, other groups, LGBT groups and human rights groups and all the organizations that are proponents of what's called now gender-affirming care, and transgender rights, and it's a movement.So they were able at that point to say, okay, not a disorder.Now I explain in my book that actually many years before psychiatry changed the DSM, this was already happening.It was already being accepted that it's a part of human diversity to feel this incongruence, between your body and your mind.So it was psychiatry kind of catching up.But once psychiatry, so to speak, caught up, then there was sort of like no end to the fact that kids could then be told, this is completely normal.If a girl is hating their breasts and their periods, and they're not a stereotypical girl, and they, you know, maybe they're a boy and that's just a normal variant.If you think, you know, you're 12 years old, you don't, you're worried about puberty, you feel more comfortable with the boys, you don't, you're not into makeup and you're not into having crushes on boys and you're not into dresses and all the rest of it, you know what?You might be a boy.So, you know, this was all very huge stuff that was going on, but most of the culture and society, didn't pick up on the significance of these developments.And based on the new DSM, the DSM-5 that came out in 2013 that I'm now talking about, you know, it had huge repercussions within medicine and within culture.And starting at around that time, or maybe one or two years after that, is when we started to see the numbers just explode.So you see that those years, you know, 2011 to 2015.Then there was a little dip. that little dip corresponds to COVID.And then it's just going sky high. And the reason for that dashed arrow, is because that is including the waiting list at GIDS Tavistock.There was a very long waiting list, very huge waiting list of kids.So getting back, you know, I'm providing all this material, for parents because I don't want them to be caught ignorant of all these very important facts. What happened in psychiatry?Where did these ideas come from?What's going on in the schools, what's going on in the legal system, what the effect is on parents to have a child who presents like this? How do you talk to your child the first, the very first few conversations? I have a model conversation there between a parent and a child on this subject when the child comes and says, I'm not your daughter, I'm your son. How a parent can handle it. I have a conversation there also between a parent and either a doctor or therapist.And how to discuss their child with the therapist or doctor who is insisting, that you have to affirm that child. Now, what I want parents to understand, is that there is no medical consensus on this issue. I think parents in the UK are better informed, I hope, than parents in the U.S. because you had the whole, Tavistock and the Keira Bell issue and then the Cass report and...
Well, can I, because I was outside the court a number of times filming Keira and an awful story, and that's taken whistle-blowers, and I talked to a number of the whistle-blowers in the UK.It's taken those whistle-blowers to expose, and one of the chapters is whistle-blowers, and I guess it is the same in the U.S. 
Well, we've only had one, I mean, I think there's been a second now. We did have, we have one, I have a chapter on the whistle-blower here, Jamie Reid, unbelievably courageous woman who was working at a gender clinic in St. Louis, Missouri, and she went and blew the whistle and what she described going on there just....I don't know. There's there's just no words for for that, what one doctor who was working in that gender clinic said. Describing what they do there. We are flying the plane while we are building it, So, yeah. The thing is, you know, we because of our medical system it's gonna take a lot of whistle-blowers here in the US. With you, you had Tavistock, and you had that central referral centre for all the kids in the UK.So it was an easier thing. I don't know how it's going to happen here.We are, day by day, there's more lawsuits against the doctors, which is good, but still, its not enough. And parents will find in my book, actually, that I have many, many tools. And in addition to the tools that I present and the information, the history, what I did is I conducted a survey of parents who have a trans, or had, have or had a transgender identifying child. And I asked them, how would you advise families that haven't gone through this yet but may go through it in the future? So I got responses from 500 parents from 17 different countries.And the book is dedicated to those 500 parents and I list their names. I mean, not most of them didn't use their real names for obvious reasons, but I don't know if you have the book there but in the in the beginning of the book the first pages list all those parents that I have devoted the book to and I say to to them that, you know, I spoke to them from their cars and their basements and their bathrooms because speaking to me, consulting with me, it was as if they were doing something criminal. And I say that they're not criminals, they are heroes. And the criminals are the sex educators and the teachers and the therapists and the surgeons that are that are indoctrinating the kids and then performing these procedures on them. Their day will come.Because when you mentioned Jordan Peterson and I remember reading a op-ed that he wrote a couple months ago, maybe six months ago, could it be longer, in the Daily Telegraph for the UK. He was full on in his anger at surgeons who carry this out and he talked about their butchering children and talked about punishment and I thought kind of that would have opened the floodgates in the media but still our media are very reticent on engaging this issue, but with Jordan riding the forward it requires people of that courage to put this out in the media. 
Well Dr. Peterson, you know, he's a warrior and I'm so grateful. He also had me on his podcast a few months ago. I spoke about the history, John Money. I, I also spoke a lot about the parents.My heart is really, I mean, of course, we're worried about the kids.Obviously everyone's worried about the kids, but people don't speak enough about the parents.And the parents, I recently spoke to a parent who grew up in a war-torn country.Where there was a genocide.And in that genocide, she lost her husband, other members of her family, and she lost a limb.And now she's losing her child to the transgender ideology and that is the worst thing she's ever been through.Losing a child to the transgender ideology and watching her child embark on hormones, she described to me as breaking her more than the genocide broke her.So this is a medical scandal of a huge proportion and I just want to protect families.That's what the book is about. It's about protecting families.I hope that it's easy for you there in the UK to get it.I've had some reports that people had a hard time getting it.But I think you should be able to get it on Amazon.
You can get it on Amazon. I think it's maybe 10-day post waiting.But you can get it.I think this is probably one of the most essential books that parents can read.I mean, for me, who does lots of interviews and programs, I'm vocal on everything, but I realized that a lot of parents are fearful.And you go through, one of the appendix dealing with schools, dealing with child protection services.It is all there to help parents with the internet, social media.Everything is there for parents to take up, to go through, and to go through those appendix.So it is absolutely essential. The stories are there, the background is there, what parents can do.Because I think, as you may have mentioned, parents can feel powerless, and they're worried about raising the issue because of child protection, because of school backlash.Well, they're not powerless. They're not powerless at all. The book empowers them.And I also want to mention, Peter, that it's never too early for parents to say to their kids, You know.You're you're a boy. You're a girl. It's wonderful. You've been a boy or a girl since the moment you were created. No one is assigning anything in the delivery room.It's not the doctor. It's not the midwife. That's assigning that, you from the moment. And I'm not saying that it's a it's a sex ed thing. You don't have to get into the birds and the bees I'm talking about just saying how wonderful it is that you're a boy, You've always been a boy. You will always be a boy and there's many different kinds of boys, There's boys who don't like soccer and cars and trains, there's boys that like, fashion and there's boys that like, literature and art and cooking, and there's all kinds of boys, and there's all kinds of girls.So you want to make sure that your child knows that. And so when they first hear this idea of sex being assigned at birth, I want the kid to just say, what?No, that's not right.That's not right. Why are you saying that to me? Instead of sitting there and just being a sponge. Kids are sponges.You have to reach your kid first. 
100% set those guidelines and affirm kids, affirm children for who they are and don't leave that openness.Can I just ask you Dr. Miriam about what you have faced because it's a crazy world when we say that someone who talks about this is brave.That's the mad situation we have entered into.But what has it been like for you calling out absolute, well, it has been common sense until five minutes ago, and suddenly everything is now open to interpretation and discussion.What has been the response to you putting this concise, well, it's not concise, it is a large publication, 500 pages, but everything is there.What has been the response to it?
Well, the response primarily is the book companies making it and the distributors of the book making it difficult for people to get it.So we have in the US Barnes and Noble, do you have that? We did have it and then they pulled out, but we are no Barnes and Noble, yes.Okay, so Barnes and Noble is the biggest book retailer in the world, I believe.And we have 300 stores here in the US.And when the book came out about a week and a half ago, it was simply unavailable in the stores and people were writing me and, you know, messaging me that they went into a Barnes and Noble and they were told the book is out of stock.And then when they would go online to the Barnes and Noble online and try to order it, they were also told the book is out of stock.So I contacted my publisher, as you say, Skyhorse.A just fantastic publisher, Tony Lyons. And he told me that they never ordered them.They just never ordered the book, so they said they were out of stock. Now, there have been complaints, and so about two days ago, they began to make the book available, but only a month from now. So, you know, let's put it this way. They're, you know, they're putting obstacles in front of people who would like to buy my book.And I will also add that Amazon has had many, probably over a dozen, bogus books on there trying to copy my book.And so when people, people that are listening, and I hope that you will get it, the best way to get it, you have to make sure that you're getting the right book. There's no soft cover. There's no guidebook. There's no synopsis. There's no workbook. So what you want to do is go to my website and use the link on my website or go onto my Twitter, which is at Miriam underscore Grossman, and there's a link right there. People have written me that they've ordered the wrong book and you know it's it's it's, they're upset, you know, they have to, they're it's not, it's you don't want to order the wrong book for heaven's sake and and be tricked, you know, and spend your money on it.Well, we have all the links in the description, however people are watching. It is available on hardback on Amazon in the UK at a one-week delivery time or is available on Kindle, which is how I read a lot of US books, because they're easily available. Just to finish off, can I ask you.Where do you think the pendulum is going in this? It has swung so far one direction, and certainly in the UK, it's begun to be a topic of conversation amongst parents. That hasn't filtered down into our education system or political system as yet, but it will happen. Yeah, tell us about, usually things swing too far one way and then they swing back. 
Yeah, well things have swung very far here in the U.S. where we have our major medical centres, you know, the best medical centres in the country, really, with gender clinics that are putting kids on an assembly line with little or no mental health evaluation, which, of course, is just preposterous because these kids need extensive mental health evaluations and care, and to not give that to them, not provide that, and to go straight to medical, you know, blockers and cross-sex hormones, which, by the way, I mean, you're probably aware, and your audience is probably aware, but in the U.S., people are not aware that there is no good long-term evidence of any benefit from those interventions.And there is evidence of terrible consequences. So there are places in the U.S. that still have on their websites that the blockers are reversible and that blockers are considered, widely considered, safe. That's just simply not true. We even had, about two weeks ago, there was a letter in the Wall Street Journal, a major news publication here.There was a letter signed by 21 experts, clinicians, gender clinicians from nine countries, essentially saying to the doctors here in the US, what are you doing?What are you doing?Yeah, so things are still pretty bad over here. You know, I want to ask you, since you're on the ground there, they decided to not close, Tavistock was going to close this year and then it was extended another year it's open?
So Tavistock was supposed to close. It was given a one year reprieve. It is still operating.Then they have found out that there are other clinics being set up with the same staff under the radar. But the actually good news is that puberty blockers, the government have now ruled them as not safe except for scientific purposes. So my understanding is those cannot be handed out as they were, and the government are doing an investigation. I mean, it's 15 years too late, but at least something is happening and those are no longer freely available.At least the Tavistock Clinic is being looked at with a microscope, but it has been given a one year reprieve and no one seems to know why.Interesting. That is interesting. Okay.
So yeah, lots of confusion here in the UK, but this year puberty blockers being restricted is a, is a massive win.So at least we're seeing movement in the right direction. 
You know, Peter, I want to mention that, um, I'm planning to be in London.Yeah, I'm coming to the, Jordan Peterson, you know, is forming ARC, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.And he invited me to come. I'm very honoured that he invited me to join in on that.And that's the end of October, beginning of November. So I will be in London.And I would love to to meet some of the people there, yourself included.We will talk about that after, we'll pull that together and I'll certainly be around. So I certainly look forward to that. Dr. Miriam, I so appreciate your time today and as I said, as a parent, as someone who commentates on this, this is an absolutely essential book and one that anyone in the UK can get on their Kindle or as hardback and they can just click on the links.So thank you for putting this publication together and thank you for coming on today and sharing your story.
You're welcome. I'm gonna say one more thing. I just got done narrating the entire book.
Oh, so when is that out? 
I did it. It should be pretty soon, the audio book.I did the whole thing. I didn't think I would be able to, but I did it and it was a great experience to read my book out loud.
I actually always love, because I listen  to quite a few audio books, and I love it when the author has done it, because you feel as though you get to know them.You're with them. It's personal.And I love that. So I look forward to that coming out, and we'll certainly do what we can do to promote it. 
Thank you, Peter.

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Much excitement at Hearts of Oak Towers as we welcome back a previous guest, the brilliant Jennifer Arcuri.Jen joins us from across the pond to help us pick through some of the news stories that have caught our eye this week as well as looking at some of her social media posts and digging a little deeper.She is a fountain of knowledge and doesn't mince her words so it will be an entertaining episode as we discuss...- Prosecutors drop campaign finance charge against Sam Bankman-Fried.- The Era of Global Bullshit is upon us as UN Chief declares that the ‘Era of global boiling has arrived'.- "We Own The Science": UN official admits that they partner with Google to control search results.- Meet Bill Gates. Bill is very concerned about climate change. He flies in his private jet to conferences all over the world to ask you to stop driving cars.- America's Left-wing media can't ignore the Hunter Biden scandal any longer as claims of $5M bribes, drugs and prostitutes surround the President's wayward son.- Stop the Pandemic Treaty: The Fight against the WHO.- Sound of Freedom: If CNN is so sure there’s no “powerful paedophile elite” then let’s see the Epstein client list.- 'Only the willingly blind are puzzled at this point': Rise in cancer among younger people worries and puzzles doctors.- Online Safety Bill: Security first. This is surveillance NOT protection.  
California based, American tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri is the founder of the Innotech Network, Hacker House, Pinksheet Database, and Proxsey London.She founded the Infotech Summit to encourage entrepreneurs, policymakers and investors to discuss and shape tech policy.A former film student who started in digital distribution and film production, In 2008, Jennifer produced the short film, "La Valise", which was part of the Short Film Showcase at the Cannes Film Festival.She started her career at the Walt Disney Company as Radio Disney DJ Razzle Dazz, operating under the ABC Company and ESPN Broadcasting, and she has also worked as assistant PA under Bravo's "Inside the Actors Studio" with James Lipton.Jennifer has previously run a video streaming platform and is a cyber security expert, tech geek, producer, adventure seeker, is hot on video content, data visualization and is always looking for game changing technology to rock the world with.She loves to laugh and enjoys anyone with a good story to show and tell.
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Originally broadcast live 29.7.23
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Links to topics discussed...  Sam Bankman-Friedhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/business/sam-bankman-fried-campaign-finance-charge.htmlGlobal Boiling https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/27/scientists-july-world-hottest-month-record-climate-temperaturesThe Sciencehttps://www.zerohedge.com/technology/we-own-science-un-official-admits-they-partner-google-control-search-resultsBill Gateshttps://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1683554712178638848?s=20Hunter Bidenhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350259/The-scandal-engulfing-Hunter-Biden-grave-Americas-Left-wing-media-ignore-longer-claims-5million-bribes-drugs-prostitutes-surround-Presidents-wayward-son-writes-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.htmlPandemic Treaty https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1684663280315281409?s=20CNNhttps://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1682544494430810113?s=20Excess Deathshttps://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1682965287732383744?s=20Surveillance https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Arcuri/status/1682422340968226816?s=20

Dr Clare Craig - EXPIRED: The Untold Story of COVID, Media Attacks and Questioning the Existence of Viruses

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Dr Clare Craig has become known to many of us over the last 3 years for her medical wisdom and common sense shared on her Twitter account. For 15 years she worked in the NHS so her subsequent time in pathology and clinical data puts her in a perfect position to make sense of the Covid data bombarding us all. Clare joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her first book that was recently published titled 'Expired: Covid, the Untold Story'. She goes through 12 beliefs or assumptions we were all told as fact which she debunks in a clear and systematic way before discussing the media attacks which she has faced, including from so called 'friendly' media.We finish by looking at a new train of thought, that maybe viruses don't even exist, and Dr Craig eloquently puts forward the case to dismantle this argument.
Dr Clare Craig BM BCh FRCPath studied medicine at Cambridge University moving to Oxford for her final three years of clinical training. After qualifying she practised in the NHS for 15 years specialising as a diagnostic pathologist and becoming a fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. Subsequently she was the day to day lead for pathology and clinical data in the cancer arm of the 100,000 Genomes Project and worked in A.I. cancer diagnostics.From May 2020, she has worked full time, pro bono, on covid research, distilling the evidence for a lay audience. Since January 2021 she has co-chaired HART with Dr Jonathan Engler. HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team) is a multi-disciplinary body of experts who have provided an independent source of information on covid issues. Despite attempts to smear her (supported by government) she has continued speaking out and remained a consistent voice of reason and calm throughout the covid era.
'Expired: Covid the untold story' available from Amazon in paperback, audio-book and e-bookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C9FNHYTV/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
Connect with Dr Craig...TwitterX:         https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath?s=20HART Group:  https://www.hartgroup.org/
Interview recorded 19.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Clare Craig. 
I had the privilege of meeting Clare at a Workers for England Union conference earlier this year and she has for the last three years spoken boldly truth on COVID and on Twitter.Not one of her impersonators is the tagline and she's obviously got a medical background, studied Oxford, Cambridge, 15 years in the NHS and she joined us to talk about a book she has just had published her first book, Expired, Covid the Untold Story, and she goes through 12 of the lies, the myths that we were given, and systematically takes those apart. Very well written. And then we look at HART, the Health Advisory and Recovery Team that she has co-chaired since the beginning of 2021, why that's needed, the attacks they have had from the mainstream media, but also more surprisingly the attacks from the so-called friendly media, those that supposedly were on side with us, that often are the most vicious. 
Dr. Clare Craig, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for joining us. 
(Dr Clare Craig)
Thanks for having me on Peter.
No, great to have you on and can I just point out that she is not one of her impersonators. Do you know that tagline, that stuck with me and I knew what your tagline was before I knew who you were and I kept saying, what's this not one of her impersonators? Who is this person and then I delve deeper. So I love that little tagline you have on it.
Actually, my daughter persuaded me to remove it this week, so why do you say that, it's so embarrassing.And actually I haven't had an impersonator for a while, so I did take it off this week, so now I'm just me.Just you, all good, all good. And obviously, @ClareCraigPATH on Twitter, the best place to find you and then all the links out from there. And your background, obviously medical, studied medicine at Cambridge University before moving to Oxford. You were in the NHS 15 years, and then you worked a lot on the cancer side. That's possibly for another time. That's an intriguing side, just that, but we'll park that aside. We're going to get on to your book, which has just come out at the end of last month, expired. Get on to heart why, that was started, what that's for and then a couple of the stories that you have been highlighting as you have been doing for the last three years. But Claire if I can ask you first, just give us a little bit of your background and also your medical background because that actually gives you the, legitimacy to write a book which you've written.Okay, so yeah I'm a fully qualified doctor, I qualified in 2000 and you know I was a junior doctor on the hospital wards back in the day, but I went and specialised in diagnostics because it always struck me that that was the most important thing really, you've got to get that bit right and I also never had enormous faith in all that pharmaceutical companies told me about their drugs, and didn't particularly want to be a drug peddler.So I went down the diagnostics route from early on. And also that fascinated me because you get the full breadth of medicine and you get all the kind of scientific backing of it.And so it really felt like the meat to me of the subject.And so when I first started down the kind of COVID path, it was with that diagnostics hat on.So it was in summer of 2020.And as somebody who knows about medical testing, there were issues that were really clearly going on with how we were testing for COVID in that period.And there were clearly testing errors being treated as if they were real disease.And I didn't have time to dig into it at the time. So I had been home-schooling four children.And then it was the summer holidays. And so during the summer holidays, I was like, I can't wait for them to go back to school because I really want to get some data out and have a look at what's going on here.And so it was September when I did. And what I tried to do was check that hypothesis that there was a problem by looking at whether the people who are being diagnosed or in hospital and dying with a COVID label in the summer had the same characteristics as the ones in spring.Because there were certain things about COVID that were quite unique, like it killed 60% men in the spring of 2020.And there were far more Black people in ICU. And there were more diabetics and hypertensive.And there's all sorts of things that tell you that this is COVID without the test.So you can compare those and see how well the test is doing.And so I did that and it didn't look like it was doing very well.And I thought, well, what do I do with this?And I wasn't on social media or anything like that, really not my cup of tea, that kind of thing, nor is being on these sorts of shows, by the way, but I'm doing it anyway.But that, so you've grown your Twitter to a sizable following really on the back of you speaking truth on COVID.Yeah, I've kind of just tried to do that and you know I have just told people what the evidence is showing and there does seem to be an appetite for that because it's not being provided by mainstream sources and yeah that really is all that I have done. It's been a very odd journey really, the whole social media thing, because I remember getting stage fright repeatedly at particular points. The number of followers would go up to a hundred and I'd think, oh god, now that feels like I'm speaking to a lot of people and then it'd be a thousand and I'd have the same thing and I'd just go quiet for a while. I'd hit each of the landmarks and then it got so big that I just couldn't actually visualize it anymore and then just carried on. But yeah, every now and again I do, I'm astonished by how many people are listening to what I'm saying.But it is a huge responsibility and I think all of us who are speaking out, you're speaking out, as a real expert, a true expert, but there are many commentators and we really do, you do others, you have a responsibility in what we put out because there are a lot of people watching that and observing and taking that as fact and that is, that is pressure. 
Yeah, absolutely and, you know I have made mistakes along the way and so I have tried to always acknowledge that but there's this awful thing that happens where, if you make a mistake, especially when it's something that, like the it's more likely to be a mistake if it's something slightly shocking, something surprising.So you'll make a mistake and that will go really far and then you'll try and correct it if it's wrong and then that doesn't get picked up and so there's always that it's really really difficult because you can't go wrong. If you go wrong you can't really pull it back and you know I've learned that lesson the hard way. I think I've touched wood, it's been a while since I made a mistake that I've had to try and pull back on. But I was doing that earlier on and, you know, had to really learn that the hard way around. And the thing is that I'm going to make mistakes, right? That's the problem. And that's the whole problem with the way that free speech is approached at the moment, is that people seem to have this idea that you should be allowed to speak as long as you get everything right.Well, nobody.That means that nobody can speak, because everybody knows they're going to make mistakes at some point about some things.And so as soon as you're told that you're going to be cancelled if you make a single mistake, then you're basically silencing everybody.Yeah, 100%. Before we get on the bit, what point was it? Many of us were looking on at the information coming out.At daily death totals and I'm trying to make make sense of it and I've always found intriguing talking to those in the medical community because I want to hear kind of where they came from, what they were looking at, what they were suspicious about, how they viewed it. What was it for for you? Was there a point where you thought, hmm, this doesn't seem right.
Yeah, so I was really bought into the whole thing in spring 2020, and I think that the Diamond Princess story stopped me worrying about me and my husband and my children, but I was still worried about the system collapsing, and I was still worried about my parents, you know, I was still watching BBC, looking at the counts. I remember that, I really vividly remember actually, the time when it was about to peak and like the amount it had risen each day had slowed and every day you'd kind of say well has it fallen yet, has it fallen yet, and there was about a week before the death toll finally fell. But in that period you know I was completely bought into the whole thing and worried about the staff on the front line, volunteered myself to help but was never contacted and really it wasn't until the summer and that sort of testing issue that I started to properly question what was going on and then having you know put my face and my name online saying there's a problem here, really naively I expected one of two things to happen I thought either they're going to say oh no no no you've got that wrong you've looked into it and it's x y z or they'd say, oh yeah, you're right, we'll see what we can do to fix it. I really thought those were the two scenarios I was facing. But what actually happened was that I got attacked, and people tried to cancel me and then other people got in touch and introduced themselves and said, actually, you know, I've had this concern about my area of expertise. And so I was then kind of thrown into this world of scepticism with a lot of people who sounded genuine but who were clearly minorities in their field, as no one else in their field was saying this, it was just a few of them, or just them. I thought, well I can't just believe all these people because that's not rational.And so I had to sort of go back to first principles and try to figure out what they they were saying each time.And it took ages. And I wasn't working, so I could do it.But I was literally all hours of the day trying to figure out what was going on.And I always said it took about six months to figure out what was really happening.But I mean, that's not really true, because I've continued to learn about it since.I mean, it's been a huge amount of work to try to figure out what's going on.And that was part of the reason for writing the book, actually was, if I've just gone through all this complexity to try to get a handle on it, other people can't be expected to do that, you know, I want a shorter journey for other people.And obviously a lot of people have taken that journey independently and are where we're at, But what I really wanted for the book was to aim for people who are at the beginning and want to, well not necessarily the beginning, hopefully appeals to everyone. I learnt loads writing it and I think there'll be, you know, I think even though you know loads about it Peter, I hope you'd enjoy reading it because there's brilliant stories in there, there are new little bits of information you might not know. But the style I wanted to write it in was to avoid anyone running away, sticking their fingers in their ears, feeling foolish. I didn't want any of that and ultimately there's some brilliant books already out there for our side of the argument.But the titles are very off-putting to say the least to someone who's on the other side.And there's a lot of anger, understandably, in those books. And to be honest, there's a bit of anger in my book, too.But I've tried to keep it towards the end. Because I think if you're going to explain to people what's happened, the problem we had when I started out writing this in 2001 is that when you were speaking to someone about it face-to-face, You might take some little part of the puzzle, and you would explain that to them, and they'd understand it.And then they would be in cognitive dissonance because it didn't fit with all the other parts of the puzzle as they understood it.And so next time you met them, you'd be back at square one. And so I thought the only way to actually teach people about this is to have their attention for a considerable period of time, because you have to explain all the different facets in order to understand the whole.And so that was why I thought I'm going to have to write a book because otherwise people won't get it.So the book isn't really, it's not my Twitter feed. It's not the kind of maths and graphs and science, but that I could have written.And maybe one day I will write because I wanted it to really have a purpose, which was to be able to, you know, get through to people who maybe just now starting to get curious, who just now the fear starting to ebb, they're able to actually think rationally again, I want to talk to them.Well, I'll bring it up. Obviously there have been so many. Some look at the political failure.Ed book looks at the excess deaths that's happening. Others look at the media.Laura Dodsworth book looking at how fear was used in the media. And there are so many aspects of it.Here is, let me bring up, here is Expired, COVID, the untold story.And it's a large book. How, so you spent quite a while, I assume, working on it.What was that like? I've never written a book. I've talked to others who, big things have happened and they said, I have to put pen to paper and I have to put my thoughts down.Did you ever feel you were never going to get it finished because there's so much to cover?What was your kind of, was a narrow focus? Did that become wider?Were you concerned you, you know, you never get to covering everything?What was it like for you as someone writing the first book?So, I mean, all of the things that you just said, really. So, I set out to take each of these beliefs around COVID and start with where people were at and explain to them why they believe what they believed and then sort of show which parts of that story aren't very true.And I kind of came up with quite a few beliefs because there are all sorts of beliefs around COVID that are flawed.And then I thought, actually, that's not going to really be enough.So what I need to do is also explain to people, the psychology of belief, why we believe what we believe, what we take on trust, why we change our mind, how important authority is, how important fear is, because otherwise you haven't really understood why you've believed it all.So I put that bit in. And then it became also a little bit about sort of almost pseudo-religious aspects of it, the way we have these false prophets and the high priests and Puritans with their zero COVID claims.And so there was that theme running through it too.And actually at one point it was, got really too big.And so I pulled out the vaccine. I just thought, right, let's just do a book about the virus and how it spreads.And so the vaccine is gonna be book two and the treatments and the origin.So all the kind of slightly meatier topics. And actually the book two is also more about the witch hunts. And it's just like it's step two of the whole thing. So step one is the mild introduction version.And then it really ramps up. And so having done that, it was a more reasonable size.And then it sort of grew again.And so what was helpful about it taking? It really did take a lot of work.And I read loads of nonfiction.And whenever I read a nonfiction book, I always think, wow, that must have been so much work to do.And it is. It's so much work to do. But what I was hopeful about taking a long time is thatIt didn't change. So, you know, I'd written this story, I've explained everything in this way, and you think, well, over time, other things might be revealed, which would mean that you, might have to rewrite bits, or you might have emphasised things wrongly, and it didn't change.That was really reassuring, that after sitting on it, well, it wasn't sitting on it, but you know, after the editing and the typesetting, all the processes you have to go through, I didn't feel like it needed to be changed. It's the same story it held for that length of time. And, you know, it's also a brilliant reference book. So whilst doing it, it was really helpful to me because I knew where to go for all the different key bits of information because it was all there and referenced in the document I was working.
You go, you break down, you go through different, you call them beliefs.And you say, well, this is one belief and wasn't correct.COVID only spread through close contact or COVID would likely kill me or everyone's susceptible.And you go through each of them and disprove it.You even say, how does Scientists get things wrong? Wow, that's a break with tradition in this day and age where everything we are told from someone who has an educational background must be true because they've learned it in a university somewhere.What, as you were going through, tell us about, yeah, putting all those in and how you, I guess, how you went about refuting it because it is, we've all had these debates with friends, family, colleagues, and sometimes you feel as though you're hitting a brick wall And they're just saying, but the BBC told me.And you're like, no, let's think through. How did you feel just trying to break down these positions and nullify each of them.So, I mean, this was, like, the thinking behind it, I can't say this all 100% mine.You know, I've been talking to people about this stuff for a long, long time, and, you know, the people in HART in particular, and trying to figure out what was going on.And that took us on all sorts of different journeys. So sometimes where we ended up was in the history books 100 years ago, we're thinking, well, where did this come from, this idea?So the idea, say, of asymptomatic transmission.That's been around a long time, and it's never been based on anything more than it was a really good explanation for why some of the other myths don't look right in the real world.So there was this guy called Charles Chapin, who was a public health officer in Providence in Rhode Island.And he wrote a book in 1910, which became the textbook of public health medicine.And sure, he's a perfectly pleasant guy, but it's quite clear from his writing that he's got an issue with germs.He talks about how he has to touch things that people have touched on public transport, and the windowsills are all dirty, and people lick the pages of a book he might touch.So he's got this real issue with it.And he is absolutely passionate about close contact transmission.And he's passionate about it because he's living in an era where there's still a bit of a hangover from miasma theory.So the germ theories won the argument 50 years before him. And the miasma theory was discredited and was over.But people still talked about things being spread through the air.And they talked about, he calls it the sewer gas fogie, this idea that the smells from the sewer have got disease in them and you want to avoid it.And he thought this was completely wrong and that it was only spread through close contact for every disease except TB.He had an exception for TB because people had done this experiment where they put hamsters in cages at the top of a TB ward and the hamsters caught TB.So he thought, well, we'll exclude TB, but he basically grouped every other infectious disease, the same. So TB was different, but everything else must spread the same way.And he talks about mouth spray and how it's coming out in mouth spray.And so you have to be in close contact to somebody for a spread to occur.And he did some good things. Well, probably did some good things.So one of the things that made him so passionate about this was that there was evidence at the time that in infectious disease wards in the hospital, if you separated the beds a bit more, disease spread less in that ward.And so he thought, well, this is proof that it must all be from bodily fluids.And therefore, you know, we've got to really, we've got to make sure people are all doing this.And so that's what he was really evangelical about. And I think probably he was right that spreading out the beds reduced infection in hospitals.But it wasn't because of mouth spray. It was because of a variety of reasons, depending on the disease.And for respiratory diseases, it was largely because aerosols are at a much higher concentration than they are to a person that you are. But they can spread a long, long way.And anyway, so he had this theory. He wrote up his book. And towards the end of the book, he says, well, the real problem with my theory is influenza, because we know that it appears overnight, just rapidly, all across the world.And we get these massive surges that are too fast for it to be spread person to person.So he said, the only way to explain this is a symptomatic transmission.It must be that all of these people that are apparently healthy are the ones giving it to you.And then, at the end of the book, he says, probably wrong on most of this, but you know.So he kind of does this disclaimer where he says, obviously, this is just based on what we know today.There's bound to be more that we find out along the way.And I'm very happy to keep learning and accept that some of this is going to be wrong.And that bit obviously always gets completely ignored. And everyone bought into the close contact spread idea and bought into the asymptomatic transmission idea.And it doesn't really seem to have been questioned properly since.And the close contact transmission story has been questioned a lot by physicists who do work on aerosols.So often they were experienced in air pollutants and how they move.But the physics is the same for aerosols from people. And so they knew all about how aerosols could spread and how they'd go long distances.And we're saying this at the beginning of the pandemic, as it were, inverted commas, and they were shut down and ignored.They were called misinformation spreaders by the WHO. And what's interesting about that particular group though, is that they have always tried to go along with the narrative. So that they would always, in their writing, they'll say, well, we know that it's not droplet spreading it, which masks might be able to stop because a big droplet of saliva would be stopped by a mask.We think it's aerosols, but that means you need to mask more with better masks.So they kind of use that, I think. Well, I don't know if it's deliberate or subconscious, and maybe they do believe it.So that's a way in to the medical literature, is to say what your findings are, and then you sort of recite the scriptures of the public health high priests, and then you get published.It's ridiculous, but if you look at it, you can see that this has happened again and again throughout the last few years, where people will show a result that actually contradicts the scriptures, but in the abstract introduction and the discussion, they'll repeat the scriptures, and then they get published, and then they're through.And so that's what these people were doing as well, but I think they do believe it because they continue to talk about the importance of respiratory masks to reduce aerosol transmission.But do you think, so looking at this, usually with any business you assess what you're doing, you assess your relationship with the customer, you assess how you're growing and you keep looking at that and want to do things better and you get rid of things that aren't working. My huge worry, is that no one in position of authority seems to have learned anything. No one is willing to say actually we really screwed up on this in this area or that area. It's no no no we we did our best and if something happens again we'll probably do something similar. How is it that those in authority, I mean the medical, media, government. They're not learning from mistakes. It's weird.It's very, very weird. So they sort of do these kind of goalpost shifts, don't they?So with the vaccine, the goalpost was, well, it starts off with, we're going to get herd immunity and COVID is going to go away.And I think that was said repeatedly by all sorts of people.That was how it was sold at the beginning.And that was a justification for no one is safe until everyone is safe, which actually that phrase is still being used, still up on the WHO website.And then the evidence came out that actually that was not the case.These vaccines do not stop infections.And so they started saying, well, but they stop hospitalisations and deaths and emphasise that more.But at no point have they said, no, they don't stop infections.And so we still, and even in June, the Department of Health was still pushing adverts, last chance to get your first dose aimed at people like me who haven't had one.Because for good reason, and it's not bad to go and get one, but the reasoning can only be, to stop an infection. And they're still now justifying giving it to children, because the child lives with someone who believes that they are at risk. That's frightening. That's completely unethical and yet that justification is ongoing. But in the meantime, we've had good evidence since that actually it's worse than nothing. It's not that it's not stopping infection, the people who've had the most doses are the ones most likely to be infected.And that message is obviously being massively suppressed, but there's good evidence for it.And where there was sort of public health data sources that were showing this shifting trend that with Delta, the infections did appear to be more in the unvaccinated relatively.Over time that reduced, reduced, reduced, and then it went the wrong way and it became more in the vaccinated.And then that data source got pulled and that happened again and again across the world.And those data sources have not been put back up.And you think, well, what are we meant to think about that, guys?That's just the biggest signal that there's a terrible issue going on here.And so they might suppress this big, cleave-in study with 45,000 health care workers being tested repeatedly.Which clearly shows a dose dependency.But if they're not showing the real-world data either, you're like, well, you're just hiding this problem that you've created now.And we don't know where that problem's going to go. We don't know what that means longer term.And there seems to be a belief that almost everybody holds at the moment, which might well be right, that COVID's basically over now.It's done. But I am not 100% sure that is right. So if you look at wastewater sampling, which is obviously are pretty, that measure isn't affected by how often people are tested and all that kind of thing.It's just a straightforward measure over time. And it's starting to creep back up in the southern states of the USA, which at this time of year start to get COVID again.And it may be that it'll just come and go, but I'm not completely convinced by this story that everyone's had it.We're told repeatedly everyone's had it, based on blood donor samples, looking at antibodies, and they say, well, you know, we've traced it all through, and we've seen it rise and rise and rise, and now everybody's had it.But I'm not very sure that that data is right, because when you ask people, which I've done repeatedly, albeit on Twitter, but you know, samples of 20,000 people, and I've done it over time, every few months, and I'm always getting around the same answers, and it changes over time.But we're still at a point where about 40% of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people say they've not had this thing. You think, well that's a huge chunk if we're, you know, if it's working its way through the population, we've got some way to go yet.Where does that put the public in terms of trust in the health profession, because nowI think actually I really don't want to go and see my doctor.Not that you can anymore, because you have to go through four phone calls and have a full assessment by some person somewhere before you even see a doctor, but that's a separate issue.Simply, I think that if I go and see my doctor, all they're going to do is give me a load of drugs that they're probably making money on. And it's the last place. I mean, anyone who tells me that, oh, yes, you're sick because you don't have any symptoms.So if you have no symptoms, that means you're sick. That's great. Or because you've had a a box that's made in China and therefore that tells you, I mean it's, we used to not trust when I said made in China, now actually we have trusted our lives literally with that. But what from your assessment is, as someone who has worked in the health industry all your professional life, what's the damage this has done to the profession and to doctors and to the public going to see their medical professional. 
So for a long time I was really distraught about the damage this had done to the medical profession and the inability of my peers to see it. They couldn't see the harm that they each individually were causing and that's the thing isn't it, that because they're in the majority, because they're in the group, they sort of think, well I'm I'm doing the right thing.It's not me. It's not on me, any of this.But of course it is, because you didn't speak out. You didn't say the difference.You didn't show. You didn't question it. You didn't speak to your colleagues and say, we can't be doing it like this.Anyway, over time, I've come to not only be reconciled with the loss of trust, but actually, I see it in a completely different way.I think there was too much trust in doctors. There was too much.And I absolutely think that every patient who's properly sick needs a doctor that they can trust, a trusting relationship with their doctor.And that's absolutely what I would want if I was sick.But I think that trust has to be earned. And it shouldn't just be there just because of a white coat.That's not a good place to be. Because when you're acutely ill and anxious, of course, you want to just be able to put all of your faith in medicine.But that isn't probably where faith belongs. And, If it means that people are a little bit more questioning, a little bit more careful, a little bit more cautious about the advice, wanting to check what it really means and understand it for themselves, a little bit more careful about preventing having to ever see a doctor, if you can do all those things to keep yourself healthy so that you're not in front of a doctor.Then actually that's a good thing.I think all of those are good things. And I think as a society we perhaps have become more unhealthy because of this faith in the medical profession, being able to just solve all your ills. And very often in reality, I mean medicine's done some brilliant stuff. I mean I'm a really big fan of some aspects of Western medicine. We have testicular cancer used to kill young men and now almost all young men, if they're diagnosed early enough, they're going to be cured. It's a brutal treatment, but they get to live the rest of their life. And that's a phenomenal thing that is a really exciting achievement of the way that science has developed and taught us things. So I'm not anti-medicine in any way. But on the other hand, I know lots of people who take far too many drugs. And doctors are not very good good at stopping people taking drugs.And my father is one of the people that it brings to mind. But he actually died last year.But in the lead up to his death, it felt like he was consuming more pharmaceuticals than food.It was just the balance was completely wrong. And I'd been fighting for some years to get him off certain drugs that clearly weren't appropriate.And I couldn't get the doctors to stop it. And I didn't want to be the one that stopped it.His relationship was with his doctor, not with me.And I think he was sceptical about some of them, too, but didn't want to rock the boat.And that's not healthy, right? We need to have a medical profession that thinks as often about stopping this into starting them. because...That every medicine has a side effect, you know, they all have side effects and some, you know, if you get the dose right, hopefully it makes not much difference, but over time you might find that a side effect becomes a problem and then you're going back to the doctor and you're getting a drug to treat the side effect and these quickly enter a bit of a vicious cycle that we need to avoid if we want to have a healthy population.Can I, I want to ask you about HART, Health Advisory Recovery Team that you have co-chaired since the beginning of 2021 and I'm sure writing this book will not do your medical career in the UK any good and I'm amazed at people's willingness to speak truth despite the personal cost it is for them and I know to people like you I think wow if only we had more people like yourself in all different fields who would actually stand up and speak what they believe is right as opposed to following the line. But tell us about HART. I've read a lot of the information HART has put out.Is that a collection of those working in the medical profession that are questioning? Just tell us about that and what people can find on the website.So HART is a group of professionals but we're not all medics by any means.We've got other healthcare professionals including lots of psychotherapists who you know obviously they were very, concerned about the fear propaganda and the impact that everything's had on mental health. But we've also got other professionals including economists and ethicists and lawyers and all sorts of skill sets, because really it's not about just medicine.And so a good chunk of those people were speaking out independently and were being dismissed as being outliers or lone wolves and attacked as individuals. And so the person who set it up said, we've got to bring you guys together so that you can't be attacked like that and that you're speaking as one, which is why we did it. And we actually started off authoring different articles. We started off with a big review of the evidence, sort of going through different aspects of the narrative that didn't make sense based on conventional science.So there's something very interesting about how this played out in that if you have something new discovered in science.What happens is that the person with this sort of new hypothesis will say, Look now, I found this thing.And they might have to argue their case against the sort of established authorities who've got their evidence base where that didn't fit.So you've got this sort of new thing, new evidence up against the old guard and this old body of old beliefs.So that's where the battle lies. But with Covid, we had the authorities taking on a new belief system.And so in HART, we had the whole body of established scientific knowledge that we could rely on to say, well, this is actually what's going on.And so that's what was happening. It's we were writing based on decades of knowledge, saying, well, what they're saying there isn't right.And so what the benefit of that was, that a year on, we went back to that evidence review and we said, which of it did we get wrong? Because it's been a year, we've bound to got some of it wrong.Let's go back and review each of those things and update it.And when we did that, there wasn't very much we'd got wrong at all, because it was just common sense and broad understanding of how the world works compared to some really very strange new beliefs that had been introduced but had been bought by the whole population.So from that, we went on to writing weekly bulletins. So we've kind of tried to give an evidence-based review of things that have been happening in the world that mainstream media aren't covering.Largely around COVID, almost entirely around COVID.And so we have now this huge, this website's full of information, which again stacks up over time. You know, it hasn't really, all of it still works. And there was a time, in fact, it was in the summer of 2021, when we were quite badly under attack.And I had already been attacked brutally back in January 21 by Neil O'Brien, who was an MP.And at the time, he was a minister in the Justice Department.And he did this sort of Twitter shaming of me, where he pulled out tweets that I'd said and was essentially saying, oh my god, she said this. Look at this. She said this.And for some of them, I'd got it wrong. And so by all means, tease me, shame me. I made a mistake.But for quite a lot of them, I was just stating facts. I was saying things like the number of A&E attendances in this period was less than the period the year before.And that was something that didn't fit with what you'd expect, because that was during January 2021, when we were in the middle of the COVID wave.We're going to get overwhelmed. And so somebody who was reading the BBC and thinking we're about to be overwhelmed might read that and think, well, that's not true. It can't be true.But it was true. It was true. And I was being shamed by a minister saying, oh, my God, she said this. Can you believe it? What is this person? Call yourself a doctor.She's saying there's fewer attendances.There were fewer attendances. So it's a bit hard. It's really odd to know how to defend yourself.When someone's like calling you out for telling the truth, what's the defence there? Anyway, so that happened. And then in the summer of 2021, HART were using this kind of conversation software. So we were sort of sharing conversations with each other online, and it got hacked.So we were sort of illegally hacked, and the content of those conversations were shared.And within 24 hours of being hacked, a company called Logically AI contacted us and said, we're about to publish all of your chat logs, do you want to, you know, write to respond as if they're, as if they're journalists, right?So you're like, oh my God, what the hell is this? And we did actually give a response and they did print that response.But it turns out this company was a tiny setup that was formed by a 27 year old on his own who's still the only named shareholder director in the company, was given 1 and 1⁄2 million pounds by the government.And this is what they did. And if you go back now, actually, I just wrote an article recently for HART.You can find it on the website, where I went back to reviewing what they said about us in June 2021.And basically, the way they were trying to smear us was saying, these people say lockdowns don't work.These people say masks don't work. So they were literally saying that because our beliefs, well, our knowledge was conflicting with their beliefs, that was enough to be smeared.And so I went through in the Tweets and the article all the things that they were using to discredit us, to show that absolutely those have stood up over the course of time.And the one thing that was slightly more controversial was the last one, where people in the HART chat group we've been having a conversation abouthow certain people after their injections seem to have magnetism in their arm at the injection site and that sounds bonkers but actually there was really good evidence of that and people didKind of Vox Pox type videos where they were out in the street with people, complete strangers, asking them if they've been vaccinated and trying it out and half the time there was nothing there at all. But, you know, like 40% of the time, these magnets were sticking and you could feel the pull and it wasn't just, you know, it was only in that particular point in the arm, it wasn't in the other arm, it wasn't sweat, it was really clearly there was something going on there. But, you know, that is obviously quite an odd thing to be talking about. And we talked about it in the chat log in private saying, what do we do with this? What do you think about this? Because actually, that's how science works. You get to discuss things. And we didn't talk about it in public. But I did in this article that I just wrote just now, because I think this was a real phenomenon.I don't think it was microchipping and all that nonsense that people sort of, you know, but I do think it was a real phenomena. And the fact is that.So some, although we don't know all because it's all secretive, but some of the manufacturers who are making this product use magnetic beads to separate out the nucleic acid.So what happens is you have all sorts of stuff, sort of cellular machinery that's being used to make the product, and you have to go through purification steps along the way, otherwise you're gonna be injecting all sorts of gubbins.And so one of the ways to purify is to use magnetic beads that have antibodies on them that hold on to the bits that you're trying to separate out.And then you wash them clean.And then you use electric forces to get the magnets to release it.And then you've got what you need. But we know now that there were all sorts of contaminants in these vaccines. So we have DNA from the bacterial plasmids of being used that got into the vaccines.There's endotoxin from bacterial cell walls that seem to have got into some of the vaccines.So the idea that these magnetic beads never made it, never got sucked out along with the rest, is just, of course, they would have done sometimes.And so we can't prove how many of the manufacturing lines had magnetic beads.But the idea that some people have magnetic beads in them, having been injected with something that wasn't very pure, Yeah, I completely buy that.Yeah, that whole thing on different batches is a massive area.And just two things I want to ask you, one was the attacks.You've had friendly fire attacks. I mean, that article spiked, I think, that had issue.And the attacks are either calling you out for speaking truth or throwing names at you.Those are the two tactics, the truth. Yeah, that is what I said, or you're anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, whatever it's going to be.Has that surprised you, coming from angles that you think, actually, I thought we were kind of on the same side here.
I've never been called a flat earther. But yeah, I do get called things by people who were supposedly on the same side as me.And probably not as much as some people, because I kind of don't do anything dramatic ever.So I never quite get the same attention that some of them.I mean, I don't know if this is right, right? I'm not criticizing here. I really strongly believe that having a whole range of voices over a spectrum of beliefs is what free speech is about, and it's really, really important that all voices are heard. But my voice is a bit boring.You know, if there's a sort of level of evidence that you've got, you've sort of got a bar, and I will always go a bit below that bar to say, well, this is what we know.
We have some flamboyant characters who engage in this, I know.
Particularly, it's really interesting, the kind of cultural divide with the US.Because the US always, they go a bit above the bar.And I don't think that that's wrong. I think that's just a cultural difference.In the UK, you say, we've got proof of sort of this. And you under-exaggerate, and people believe you.Whereas in the US, if you're not going over the bar, they think you're talking about something else, because they have that, they just that's how they communicate about risk and about harm. And anyway, so there is that difference. But I have these days, the attacks I get it's friendly fire, it's all aroundthe virus not existing. So there's a lot of people who think that there is no such thing, and I'm not one of them and they get upset by that and you know I think they've probably been shut down more than most and I don't think that's helpful. As I said I think it's really important to hear all voices, but I'll just go through the arguments for why I think virus exists, if you like.So, I believe there was a new illness with characteristic symptoms. They're not completely unique symptoms, because there's only so many symptoms a body can have, right, but they're fairly characteristic. So, actually, one of the polls that I did was trying to work out, you know, who's who's had this thing, and I was talking to people who think they'd had it before testing was widely available, and comparing their answers to people who had it when testing was widely available.And basically, you could tell you had it because of how long it lasted, and because even if you didn't have characteristic symptoms, someone else who cohorted around the same time as you did. And, you know, so there were ways of telling without any testing at all whether or not, you'd had it and I've had it and I've had some weird symptoms. I had eye pain, I couldn't look sideways without my eyes really hurting and actually that's other people have reported that as well. So you know I think you can kind of tell if you've had it. So I think there was this disease with characteristic symptoms and I think it would have been noticed regardless but it would have probably been called a nasty flu if we'd had no molecular biology. And we know that there were instances of spread where groups of people caught it at the same time as each other in a particular place.So there was some kind of environmental factor that is responsible for the symptoms, right?And then we know that these people with these symptoms that caught at the same time as each other, are much more likely than other people to have this particular sequence of RNA when you test their orophants, right?And the sequence of, you know, the testing's not perfect, but the chances of these people testing positive compared to random people is massively different. So there was definitely something there and it's a very specific sequence.And then these same people also test positive for the proteins that that sequence produces.So you can say, well, look, you know, this is the sequence that codes for these proteins and that these people also have these proteins in them.And then they develop antibodies to those proteins over time, right?So you've got a whole sequence of things that say there is a virus.All of that to me says there is a virus.Now.The no virus people seem to be in various different camps, so some of them seem to think there's no viruses at all ever, which is ridiculous, because we've got biological systems which work based on replication of nucleic acid, and any system that's working based on, code is going to be susceptible to viruses, because why wouldn't there be a virus that can interact with that code? It's almost that's the harder thing to believe, is that you could have a system like that where there isn't such a thing as a virus. Now where I have some sympathy with the no virus people is that there are bits of evidence that don't completely fit with this narrative of scary virus out to get us, breathe it in, you get sick, you know there's all sorts of aspects of that that are wrong. So part of it's around the fact most of us aren't susceptible to any one variant, and parts of it's around the fact that our immune systems are developed such that they learn from other foreign material what apparently novel things would look like because it's only ever looking at shapes, it's not ticking off nucleic acid sequences on a list.And one of the things that I have sympathy with them over is that if you look at hospital COVID.You could come up with, based on the narrative, you'd come up with this theory.You'd say, OK, so we had this disease in the community.And over time, there'll be, after it's peaked in the community, you'd expect to see a peak of people coming through A&E, which is what happened.Coming through A&E, also testing positive, because they've been sick in the community and they've now got so sick they've got to come to hospital.And then you're going to have, after that, a peak of people in hospital who are breathing out the virus.And so the peak of people catching it in hospital should be after that.You've had a peak of virus, and then you get a peak of people who've caught it in hospital because you've got that sort of incubation period of a few days, and then it would all die away.But when you look at the data, that's not what happens.So what actually happens is that the peak of people testing positive in a hospital setting happens at the same time as it happens in the community.So there's something that's causing people, whether they're in hospital or in the community, to be susceptible in this wave-like manner that peaks and falls.And then some people get really sick following that.And I'm not suggesting the hospitalized population only had as much COVID as the community.They didn't. They had substantially more.But there you've got people who are, their immune systems, you know, are either very busy with something else or really not working very well at all because they're sick people. So of course you have a higher rate of spread among sick people than you do in the community. But the point is that there is something causing waves of susceptibility that we don't understand. And this has been talked about for a long, long time, but never really acknowledged. So there's a GP called Dr. Hope Simpson who worked in the, well, in the 30s, he set up as a GP and shortly afterwards, he turned his cute little Cirencester cottage, this 18th century cottage, into the epidemiological centre for influenza research.Well, I can't remember the exact title, but he gave it this very, very impressive sounding name.And he studied influenza and he studied it in a really holistic way.So he's got all sorts of evidence based on old parish death records going through his local area, what happened over time.And a lot of his work was based on people developing antibodies to influenza.And he showed that only 10% to 15% of people are susceptible to any wave.And he talked about this susceptibility. And he called these surges and what happened after them.He said that they were caused by a seasonal trigger. And I think that's a really useful term because there is a seasonality to it. It doesn't mean it's once a year, but there is definitely a predictable timing of these seasonal triggers.But we don't know what causes them. And actually, one of the things he reports in his book on influenza is that when you're working in a lab with animals on influenza and you're trying to infect the animals, and people have done this with all these careful experiments where they're looking at different temperatures and humidity and other environmental factors.And what they find is that, regardless of those factors that they're controlling carefully in their experiments, it's much easier to infect them in the winter.Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it? There's something going on there that we don't understand.And I think that the way the susceptibility isn't just around how likely you are to catch it.I think it's also how sick it makes people. Because we saw that the hospital fatality ratio, which was hard to measure at the very beginning because there wasn't as much hospital testing.But over time, by the time you get to April, May, there was actually plenty of hospital testing.And you see it fall quite dramatically, and then rise again with the next wave and fall again.You think, well, there's something to that, that there's more than.And it kind of makes sense to have.It makes sense of a lot of things, because we know that we've got variants in the community now.And we've had them every summer and yet it doesn't spread.And so, well, you know, how come this one that was around all summer not spreading.When people suddenly become susceptible to in the autumn and the winter, I think, why were none of them catching it in the summer? You know, it was around. And, you know, I get the idea of the mass of the spread, that it might start off slowly. And then, but actually, when you do the maths, the timing is not like it would be with close contact spread. So the all the modelers at the beginning, when Neil Ferguson et al, when they looked at their models of, you know, this person gives it to this person, gives it to this person, then they were anticipating a peak in July of 2020. That's when it should have peaked. And so that's why they believed lockdown had worked, because it peaked earlier than that. But, you know, it peaked, it peaked at the time of year that these things peak. So it wasn't, and we've seen so many ways subsequently, haven't we, across the world, across years now. And in this country, we see peak deaths in January, in April, in July, and then in sort of end of October, beginning of November. And it's been like that, sometimes it's not every single one of those every time, but those are the times when it might peak.And so people, the fact that people still, after three years, are claiming that the earlier peak was to do with lockdown and the second peak was to do with vaccination. Wow, really? Really? And all the subsequent peaks were natural ones. But those two, those two were different.Yes, it's bonkers. And if I could just leave people with the book, Expired: Covid, The Untold Story, you can get it as a paperback, you can get it as an e-book, you can get it as an audiobook, and Dr. Clare Craig will read that to you. It is her herself, so that is an extra treat. I always love when authors put in the time, and there's a lot of time, talking to many of them, of spending hours and hours recording that. So Dr. Clare Craig, thank you so much for joining us today.It's been great having you with us. 
Thank you very much for having me, Peter.

Abi Roberts - Arrested for Swearing, Police Overreach and the COVID Inquiry Whitewash

Show notes and Transcript
Arrested for swearing? Yes. This is what happened to Abi Roberts as she protested outside the COVID Inquiry in London. Abi returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss exactly what happened. Why did she feel compelled to protest outside the COVID Inquiry and will it reveal anything or is it just another cover up? Under what law did the police officer arrest her? What powers do our police now have in the UK and is this the end of any free speech?Is swearing actually now prohibited or is it just illegal for Welsh comedians?Can we regain our freedom of speech or has this so called 'Conservative' government destroyed it? Tune in for Abi's analysis following her unexpected night in the cells. *Might contain swearing! 
Abi Roberts is a British stand-up comedian, writer and commentator and is proud to be a stone in the shoe of the cowardly bauble-chasers in politics and the media.All lovers of truth, liberty, free speech and the pursuit of justice for the crimes committed over the last three years, are welcome to her party.Abi became a professional stand-up in 2012, and since then has played some of the biggest clubs across the UK, and had several sold-out shows at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. She became a comedian because she wanted to write her own material and have the freedom to express her worldview – and make thousands of people laugh at the absurdity and wonder of life.  Abi’s stand up show Anglichanka, which was about living and studying in Russia, gained her several 5 star rave reviews and the show toured the UK. She was the first comedian to do shows in Moscow in both English and Russian, as Abi explains “My father was a spy… sorry, diplomat, so I went to the Soviet Union as a kid and then in the early 1990s I studied opera at the Moscow Conservatoire"Abi hosts a daily podcast and writes regular articles on her Substack.  
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Interview recorded 21.7.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Abi Roberts, who re-joined us.Been a while since she was last with us.And of course, I know many of you will have seen the video of her being arrested for swearing.So she just tells us what she was there for, the Covid inquiry, which is in effect a whitewash, a little spoiler for you.She discusses what was happening there, why she was there at the whole yellow board, what that's about.And then the police telling her she'd be arrested if she swore again.So she did. And she was arrested. How the police have the right to arrest anyone, we look at the legislation and the overreach they now have.She was held in a cell until the middle of the night, then released.Why on earth that would be done? So join us as Abi shares her story in her unique style.Abi Roberts, it is wonderful to have you back. Thank you so much for joining us today.
(Abi Roberts)
It's my pleasure, Peter, my pleasure. A lot's happened since I last saw you.
Lots. We're going to talk about Abi's campaign to make swearing legal again.So we'll get into all of that. For the viewers @AbiRoberts on social media, on Twitter, everywhere else, and her Substack, abiroberts.substack.com.If you don't get that, actually, just if you never signed up simply just to read her article, I think that's a great article on what happened to her as she swore and was arrested.It's a fantastic article, it lays it all out.So it's well worth signing up Substack for that, and then you'll see everything else.But can we start, Abi?I'm going to play one of the video clips that sets the scene and then we'll discuss why we're there, and how in their swearing is not illegal on the streets of Britain.So let's play this two minute clip.
(Video plays)
Police: 
You are perfectly allowed to protest, you are not allowed to swear in the street.
Abi: 
I'm not allowed to swear in the street? It's OK if our government commits democide, cos' that's what's happened.
So you're saying to me, swearing in the street is worse, is illegal, but it's legal to lock people in their homes, and give them, coerce them, you know I'm telling the truth.
Police: 
Madam, here's your warning.
Abi: 
Have you been coerced? 
Police: 
Swear again you're going to get arrested.
Abi: 
Swear again? Well fuck... fuck you. 
Police: 
You are under arrest for swearing  
Abi: 
You are joking, you are joking, you are joking.You've seen this and you're all complicit.You know and you're going to call me an anti-vaxxer.I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti-democide. You absolute bastards.You're arresting me for swearing, but you're not talking about democide that's been committed against the British people, lockdowns, gene therapies, how dare you.You're getting all this guys, this is Britain, this is United Kingdom.If you're not angry, there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you.Police: 
Can you stop swearing? 
Abi: 
If I stop swearing, am I allowed to talk about democide?Am I allowed to talk about crimes against the British people?Do you agree with the lockdowns?Do you agree that the British people, they knew that thousands, hundreds of thousands of people were going to die.They knew at the very beginning that the lockdowns were going to kill thousands and thousands of people.Are you getting this? Are you recording any of this? 
Police: 
Listen to me.
Abi: 
So you agree the British government...
Police: 
I'm not getting into that.
Abi: 
And all the politicians were against the British people?
Police: 
We can have a conversation.
Abi: 
Can we? 
Police: 
Yeah. All we wanted you to do was stay on that side of the road.
Abi: 
Are you getting this? I'm being arrested for swearing.
Police: 
Just listen to what he's saying. 
Abi: 
I am listening. This is the UK! How dare you!
(video ends)So, that's Abi in full flow. 
Good grief. You know what, Peter? I don't think I've seen that in full.I'm actually, I feel quite, do you know what? I'm going to say it.I feel damn proud of myself.If only there were more people that told it how it is. 
100%.
When, you know what I mean? And it's weird. I feel good. God, I've got kind of goose bumps because obviously it was all just happening kind of in the moment.And, but wow, it's weird, you know, it's almost like a lot of the, like a lot of the stuff I've been doing for two and a half, three years has led to that moment, if that doesn't sound too, like, I have a dream, you know, it's like one of those things where you, you prepare for these things all your life, in little ways, you know, saying, saying what you mean, what you feel, without being afraid, and truth.It's weird, pure truth, when you speak it to power, has a way of cutting through any fear that you may have. I didn't feel, I don't know if you saw in the clip, I didn't feel, looking back at that now, I didn't feel afraid at all of the consequences, you know? 
Well, let's, so there are two issues here. One is the issue itself, which is the the COVID inquiry whitewash, they should have just just given it a full title. And the second issue is police overreach.Maybe let's start at the first one. Why were you there that fateful day, Abi?
That fateful day on the grassy knoll, which I mentioned in my article because it was a little grassy bank where all the the photographers and well, I've got a new collective noun for journalists.It's a shame of journalists.I don't include some people, including yourself. There are some people that stay out of that collective noun, but let's be honest, most journalists are a shame.If you compare them to Woodward and Bernstein, you know, those guys with the Watergate scandal, they dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and got their sources, cross-referenced their sources.You know, you've read, you know the story. What a disgrace the press have been.Anyway, back to the day. So I basically, I went down that Tuesday morning, the 27th of June to meet my good friend Francis O'Neill.Who I believe you know, he was with his Yellow Boards. They do so much great work, they're grassroots activists, so they stand on roads, on roundabouts, and actually they're getting more and more traction, you know, with all sorts of issues, including the COVID-19 vaccines and the ULEZ, all that kind of, basically, yeah, government and overreach. And it's really, they do great work. So I went down to meet him at Dorland House where this COVID UK inquiry, can I just say before I forget, I saw you talk to Steve Bannon about it, it was, this was a, I wasn't really in any place to kind of talk to many people, but I just wanted to say that in answer to Steve's question about is it a whitewash, it's worse than that actually, it's, if you saw Matt Hancock talking on that, he was actually interviewed that day, the day I went down, he said that he thought the next time the lockdowns should be harder, faster, stricter.And that they didn't act quick enough and strict enough.So actually, everything we've said, many of us have said for the last three years, has come true, which is that they're going to, they're trying to corral people into this way of thinking.So I would just like to make that clear that in a weird way, it's worse than the Watergate scandal because so many of the crimes that have been committed as people are off the charts. I mean, I've seen various people I respect very much, including Brett Weinstein on his Dark Horse pod, say that the Nuremberg Code has been violated purely by using coercion and lack of consent, including informed consent. I mean, it's very important that we get these specifics right. And regardless of what is in, this is the point that I make in my article that I made very clear, including to the police, that what's in these gene therapies, these so-called vaccines, is sort of a side issue. The crime is the coercion.And when people say, but I wasn't forced, well, yeah, but you were told if you don't get them, then you lose your job, you can't travel, you lose your friends. Do you see what I mean?If you look up the definition of coercion, it includes blackmail, force, vilification, being told, well, you're a bad person, blah, blah, blah. So it's very important that people understand this. So that's one of the reasons I went down, was because I felt so strongly.Matt Hancock was in there and people, American viewers who may not know and people from around the world of course who watch this, he was the health secretary during the time, during the 2020 and part of 2021 when the vaccine rollout happened. He was cheering for it, he was fake crying going I can't believe it, we've got this miracle cure that we're going to coerce into the arms of the British people, which is a disgrace in itself. So I went down, met my fellow yellow boards, got into a chat with a few people who were kind of lurking by the entranceway. It's in Paddington, by the way, guys, if anyone, again, not from the UK. Paddington is a kind of main part of London, West London. So this building is kind of on a thoroughfare, on a main road. And then there's a little entranceway where it's kind of, it's like an official building where they were doing the inquiry and by the entrance there was a little table with three people and again in my article.My Substack article I mentioned this, there were two, I think two men and a woman and they had this like, I thought well they're on our side, you know because they were standing outside, you know how you just, you assume, they looked like the kind of people who would have been on all the marches that I went on and the woman said, I said I'll presume we're on the same side and the woman pointed over to the road where the yellow boards were and said, the anti-vaxxers are over there. Well, Peter, and viewers who know me, the red mist descended. And I just, and I turned, and I said to them, I thought, well, I'm not going to go into the MRNA. I'm not going to go into the scientific detail about what's in these things, because that's model, it's confused people, including myself by the way, so I thought no I'm going to go for the moral argument, which is that the coercion, the lack of informed or consent, any other consent, meant that it was violating the Nuremberg Code.So serious crimes have been committed against the globe, you know, in 90 countries around the world.So we're talking about millions and millions and millions of people just with this one action by world governments. And I mean, I've made, I said it slightly less, it was a bit shorter than that, just for, I'm just, I'm expanding because we're talking. And then, so I said that to them, and then turn around and I said, and that's not conjecture, that's fact.That's fact. So I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti, you know, as you saw in the video, anti-democide, anti-lies, anti-coercion, you know, all those terrible Free speech, you know, being a free individual, all those kind of terrible things which some people are for. 
But can I ask, because obviously the so-called, media on the right that supposedly stand up for free speech, all of that, who were silent for the vast majority and suddenly come out at the very end to say oh look we overspent a little bit on PPE, oh it's really naughty, or the government official got a contract for this, that's really naughty. I mean after you've gone through the last two and a half years of control. So they have, I don't think any of the mainstream media have even called this art as just a whitewash that will hide over everything, because even if you have government failings of spending or the control of cronyism, but it's much deeper than that.It's collusion with the drug companies. 
Oh, yeah, completely. It's collusion.
Is Hancock, the person who, because it seems so he's been thrown under the bus, kind of, although he'll get a lucrative media career.It's kind of, well, he did some things, but the rest of us, we carry on as normal.That seems to be how this will be the outcome.
Well, this is the crazy thing, is that Matt Hancock is, I mean, it's a bit like, I have compared much to people's disgust, what happened to us, to people around the world to the early 1930s in Germany.I make that comparison with no shame, because it's the truth, or you could compare it to the Soviet Union in the first part of the 20th century, everything that was going on there, or name any other regime where they use force, intimidation, segregation, all those kinds of things.So you're talking about, I mean, the reason that Matt Hancock is the poster boy is because there's always gotta be a poster boy for the, what's the word, I was going to say scapegoat, but he's not, he's just a criminal.He's a criminal that happened to be part of a criminal establishment. And I'm very careful by the way to not just to target the Tories because Labour...In fact, everyone in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and the monarchy, you know, and I'm talking, by the way, if you'd spoken to me in 2019, Peter, I would have been like, oh, well, you know, it's really lovely because we've got the two-party system, you know, we've got the lovely Queen, we've got the whatever, blah, blah, blah. Wow, have my eyes been opened?You know, it's not about believing in every single conspiracy theory that anyone utters. You know, I'm always, I'm very particular about, this is why I'm so focused on this one issue, which is the last three years, the lockdowns, especially the vaccines in inverted commas, because I feel that such a terrible crime has been committed by, and also let's not forget the United States, you know, and again, I had nothing but love for the States. You know, I was going to to live there before I met my late husband.So I was going to, I got my visa. I got my O-1, which is a person of exceptional ability.I got that visa. I was going to go, man. I was going to go in 2008.It breaks my heart when I look at New York, what they did to Broadway, the Broadway actors.They made them, they made them get jabbed to like, well, otherwise you just can't work.So you see these wonder people like guys like Clifton Duncan, who's on, he said, well, I'm out then, I'm out. You, this is my body.This is my, this is, you know, my holy, sort of God-given body, get away with that stuff.So the United States, particularly the Democratic, Democrat states, honestly, I never thought I would see America go down that path, but holy shit, balls, guys.I know many people watching will agree with me, Americans. Canadians did the same thing.It is quite astounding the level, and I think people need to be aware of this, the level, the comparator between the 20th century, the first part of the 20th century, with all the dictators, with all the tyrants that there were around and that political sort of shadow that was cast, the similarities that there are with today.Trudeau, Biden, that his administration, in fact most of Europe, many countries, you know Germany and Austria, they were, I mean Austria went full fascist and so did Germany.They fell back into their, those tropes and maybe it's because there were so many marches and that it didn't go quite as, well I was going to say far as camps, but then Australia did have camps, They had lockdown camps in, is it Hope Springs? Or Hope... Do you remember there's a place in Australia, like a really lovely nature reserve, where people would have just been lovely to hang out and people I'm sure watching maybe have been there. I've seen videos of a woman trying to climb over the wall. She's climbing over a wall like The Great Escape, you know, from the Nazi camp.And then she's got those guards who like tug her back down.And then these people sitting there going, doing their video diaries, going, well, I'm sitting here, it's been my fourth day in isolation or whatever, in my, you know, and I'm like, what the hell, what the hell is this?And the same with a friend of mine, a well-known actor, he had to, well, he got the vaccines to go and work in America and he had to stay in a hotel. This is when he travelled for like...Maybe like a week or something, but like in a hotel room with like just a balcony.And honestly, to watch his videos, I was crying. I thought this is against everything that we, all of us, hold dear, you know, left or right. I mean, obviously the left have gone particularlyAWOL, you know, but I've started to think, Peter, because you know that I was a small c conservative, I suppose libertarian, you know, so all my thought processes were kind of down that. But I'm starting to think that actually, you know, this is something bigger, but that definitely has, it has echoes of that communist, you know, sort of, what's the word, collectivization, I would say. It has, that's why I think we look at the left and go, oh yeah, the similarities are so obvious, you know, but I think party politics is over. I think we're coming into a new era now.Yeah, because obviously the uni-party is the term used over in the state for the Republican Democrats and it seems to be that's across the world and governments combined to control and coerce everyone. I think the worst one in Australia I came across was a family whose child was seriously ill with some condition, the ambulance took them to a specialist hospital, which was over the state border in Australia, and the parents were not allowed to go and see their child as it lay dying. And what level of evilness would make an exception, whatever, but that didn't matter.It was, no, no, we must follow the diktat. 
Yeah, we must follow the, and that's the extraordinary thing, Peter. And actually, very sadly, I mean, I talk about this a lot on my podcast.Abi Daily. Well, I've addressed it so many times, I kind of, it's almost like it's a stock record, where you, the sad fact of the matter is that, and I think Graham Hancock may have said this, he's the guy that made the shows about possibly there being other civilisations that may have been around earlier than us, which is that the human race may suffer from amnesia. So you know how people are always saying, look back at history, don't forget history. You know all these wonderful quotes that float around about the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I don't know who said that, probably an American, but it's true, but the problem is we forget to be vigilant.What's happened now is that because of that, we're seeing the results of people not turning round and saying, enough. Like I said, I don't want to go into so much the party political thing but with the right, there's been a lot of times where I think to myself, is Roger Scruton enough to fight back, even though he's got great ideas about truth and beauty and goodness, which I totally hold dear, but is it enough for political change? Because at the moment we need more than that, as we've seen with Uxbridge last night. I think people are living in a bit of a cloud cuckoo land. And I say this in all seriousness, it's not going to cut it. With the Tories, we're like, oh, we're anti-ULEZ. Guys, this is the least of our problems and they vote in the Tories. Sorry, did you not see what the Tories have presided over the last three years and further back? I mean, like you said, Peter, though, you're right, it's a uni-party, it's Biden, it's this massive blob of sort of communo-fascist ideology, which is masquerading as, look at us, we're for the people, you know, yeah, we're just like introducing these things, these green things, you know, to save the planet and blah, blah. And of course, like you said, all the while it's for control.It's just to, because human beings, this is an anti-human ideology. Human beings are sort of like Stanley Johnson has said in his books, they're sort of an inconvenience, human beings, that's his view, rather than, you know, it's a gift from God, your life is a gift from God, you do with it. I was thinking about my grandpa, my wonderful Welsh gramps, Bob Roberts, his name was, and I was thinking, and he said, you know, your life is a gift, your talents are a gift.Use it. Use them. Use them as fully as you can. I'm not sure what he'd think about me being arrested.Actually, knowing him, he probably would be going, yeah, that's my girl.God love him, God rest him. But I think it's true.I think it's true. We have one life, so we may as well try and make it count.Not just for us, not just for now, but for the people that come after us.
You're 100%. Can I ask you, the inquiry is a tick box exercise, we see through the BS, the mainstream media will play the game and play along. Before we get on to your campaign making swearing legal again, can I ask you about how do you perceive it? Because as you said, three, four years, four or five years ago, you would have thought actually a two-party system, and we have a monarchy, which is kind of good.Now, all that our institutions are good for society. They keep us, all that.And then that's all changed. So we have lost trust in many people, lost trust in the police.There's no longer policing by consent. It is policing by force.Absolute change. Biggest change in what, 200 years in policing.Zero trust in politicians. You see the voting rates so low and across the board.I mean, the even zero trust in our legal system, our courts anyway, have collapsed under so-called Covid.And now it takes you a year.The whole thing has gone to ground. And the Conservatives, what is there to conserve if everything has been burned to the ground?And how do you view that? I mean, we both we both live in the UK and we would like to believe that institutions are positive for society.We're the opposite opinion, as are many others. 
Yeah, that's a good point.I've been thinking about this long and hard, actually. I remember having a conversation with Claire Fox.Hmm, how disappointing she is. Amazing, you know, how many communist revolutionaries there are who are far from revolutionary.In fact, if anything, they toe the line, the establishment line.I've met a few of them. I'm like, I actually said to one, I went, you should be ashamed of yourself that I'm one who's doing all the pushing back. So lots of roles have been reversed with this, which many of your viewers will be aware of, this weird inversion of things, as often happens in history. This isn't unusual. Well, it is, but it's not, if you know what I mean, because we have been here. I mean, there are countries that have suffered under tyrants and perverse ideologies, anti-human ideologies. But what was your question again? Oh, that's a two-party system.
But all the institutions, we've lost this completely. 
Oh, that's it.Yeah, you've reminded me about the Clare Fox chat. This was way back when I used to be on GB News.Mm, that's a whole, aren't they doing well, Peter?Oh, who'd have thought it? Anyway, that's a sight. 
And your favourite journalist there calling you an anti-vaxxer on the day, but that's a whole separate issue.Your favourite journalist, Tom, what's his name, 
Tom Harwood, yeah. Yes, exactly, who'd look very at home in a Hugo Boss suit and knee-high boots, and that's only at the weekends.That's from my article. Please read it, it's hilarious and sad at the same time.So in answer to your question, when Claire Fox and I had this chat when I was first on and she said that she thought the institutions could be saved from within.And I pushed back on this, I said, yeah, I don't think so, I don't think so, Claire.Because anyone that knows, this is what's so bizarre, Peter, anyone that knows anything, or claims to have read anything about anything, knows that the long march through the institutions that happened in Mao's China, happened in the Soviet Union, it happened in all these Marxist, let's use this paradigm, seeing as, because I know there will be maybe people watching going, yeah, but you've just said there's no such thing as left and right, but let's use this framework, is that the common purpose, this whole collectivization ideology has been creeping in and it's strangled everything like bindweed.So it's been happening for like maybe 30 years, maybe more than that actually.And the problem is, it's everywhere, it's woodworm in all the institutions, so like you said, everything's kind of collapsed.So I think, this is my personal view, is that no, the institutions should be rebuilt.And I don't mean build back better, I mean in the good sense that after the Enlightenment, you know, like Erasmus, you know, where we look around and say where are the good, where are the thinkers, the critical thinkers, I mean like myself, like yourself, can we have institutions that are the green shoots of, you know, for the next generation. So you have kids who go, oh, thank goodness for people like Abi Roberts and Peter Mcilvenna and various other people, because they saw the corruption, the evil that's in everything. Like you said, the judiciary, good grief. I was in the police cell thinking they could pin anything on me, these guys. That's a scary thought. I actually also thought, shall I fake a panic attack in the police cell. I was in there, by the way, viewers, for 17 hours. And I thought, and I'm claustrophobic as well, which didn't, I mean, I honestly, I've never prayed so hard in my life or sang so much to keep myself occupied. But I genuinely thought maybe I should fake a panic attack so that they'll let me out and I'll be with some medics. And then I thought, actually.Given what the medical profession have done the last three years, I would rather stay in the cell.Now that is, if that isn't a soundbite for 2023, I don't know what is.Abi Roberts would rather have stayed in a police cell with two Nigerians next door going, eh oh eh eh oh, like Nigerian Teletubbies, no comment, no comment bro, and smearing, you know, as I was told, because I smelt bleach and one of them had smeared his own excrement up the walls.I would rather have been in that cell, that damn cell, than be with doctors.So that's where we are, guys. But it's not just the UK, it's everywhere.So I hope that kind of answered your question, which is I've always believed in the, what the Russians did in Stalin's time, which is obviously you had many people who went along with it, the whisperers, they were called, you know, who whispered to, I may even have said this on one of our chats, that in Stalin's time, a lot of people just went along with it and used to grass up their neighbours and they were called the Whisperers.It just became this thing. So a lot of people go along with it and actually sort of get quite used to it.Oh, it's quite nice being locked at home. It's quite nice being forced, coerced into having injections.Oh, it's quite nice not being able to travel further than 15 minutes outside.You know what I mean? All these things, that's what happened under Stalin where everyone went, it's quite nice.Just only being able to have one cow, which the Kulaks, you know what I mean?All these little things people sort of started to think, well, maybe this is just our lot.We should rather than thinking, no, this is not our lot. This is not what life is for, what free life is for.But there were secrets of society. There were secret meetings and the catacombs, the true Christians, so not the Orthodox church that was hand in hand with Stalin.And they all met and they all prayed and they all, so children, educated children.So it was all happening, but sort of in parallel.Do you know what I mean? With the, so my view, and again, I said this to Lawrence Fox on a, God blimey, how the mighty have fallen.I said to him on a Twitter Spaces that I thought that we should start to have a parallel society.And he disagreed with that.Well, look what happened in Uxbridge last night. You know, I may be blonde, I may be a comedian, I may be silly and swear and the rest of it, But you know, a sharper mind you will not find talking about this kind of stuff.So you people can believe in their Labour versus Tory and their new parties and blah blah, but it's going to take a lot more than that.It's going to take a hell of a lot more. I mean, put it this way, Peter, I...Never thought I'd be arrested in this country for saying, fuck off, fuck you, whatever, standing with the police and the press, taking photographs of me outside a building where they were essentially lying about what's happened over the last three years.And that, but you know, like I said, I'm proud that I'm, it's something that, Um, yeah, that all,I didn't think I'd be in this position, but I'm I'm glad that I did it. I'm glad.
OK, so one ask about the police side. It seems that we are now at the stage and part of this, a lot of this is a so-called conservative government.Laws being put in place that give the police absolute right to make up stuff, and it's this whole thing of offens,e of anything which may, possibly might do in the next 100 years to someone reading it in the far-flung galaxy, may find offense, then that is enough.It seemed as though that was, and it means taking, if you're wearing brown shoes and the policeman thinks, no, I don't like brown shoes, that's offensive.They can literally come up with anything, and it seemed to be what he said it to you, And it was so funny looking back at him saying, what, if I swear again?And you're thinking, if I swear again, I should swear.
Well, also, you know, I spoke to an ex-policeman about this, who's on our side, by the way, very much on our side.So he was very high up in the police.And I spoke to a couple of people actually about, and obviously I can't reveal too much to you about things which may or may not happen with the process, but he said that if swearing was illegal, then I would have been arrested the first time.He said that's a point of that. And also, before anyone takes you by the arm, you know, you see the two, I don't know if it's in the clip, but the two policewomen, they really grip hold of me, took my arms.They're meant to say, We're going to now put our hands on you and take you, this is in the old days, the old school, They had to take you through everything.So you're seeing people that have been trained in a police college that is riddled with common purpose.I'm going to go back to that phrase, common purpose, look it up, Peter, you know what I'm talking about.The communitarian, this wonderful idea that everyone, hey, as long as everyone is abiding by this ideology, then it's okay for you to act beyond your authority.That's part of the common purpose thing, which is, by the way, a Marxist organisation.It was set up many years ago by the daughter of a Marxist called Julia Middleton.So look it up. It's all true.Whether that is running in tandem or not with what we're talking about, the global tyranny is kind of another matter.It's almost too coincidental that it's all kind of coming together.This whole offence thing, and in fact, the Public Order Act 1986 should really have been, I mean, it shouldn't even be there. And I'm very worried, Peter, about this online offence, online harms bill. There's a lot of stuff which will be used, stuff maybe we're seeing now in the media being used about people saying certain things, doing certain things, and Oh, in which case, then let's have let's have harsher laws.So I would say. 
But on the online city bill, so we've had Signal boss has said they will have to pull out because they do not give back doors to anyone.Wikipedia have said they will have to shut down their operation in the UK.I know Telegram have talked about, Apple have said it is.I mean, everyone is saying this is overreach to the nth degree.And yet the government don't give a damn. so-called conservative government think this is wonderful, let's shut everyone up.
Yes, exactly. The so-called conservative. I mean, this is what's weird though is I think we have to...We have to stop thinking in terms of, I'm afraid to say, in terms of Conservative and Labour, because whatever's taken over both those parties and everyone else in the House of Commons, let's be honest, all of them, is a dark force, is a dark ideological force.So we're in a historical, we are in a first, in Britain, in the sense that I mean, I again never thought I'd be sitting here saying that the two-party system, it's I mean, our democratic system is broken. It's completely broken. It's completely, it's been trashed, it's been stamped on and the people of this country need to wake up and realise that, you know, if you want to go to I mean, I heard someone the other day say, well, maybe China, a Chinese system wouldn't be that bad.Really? Really? Yeah. Brilliant. How fantastic.I mean, that's the level. People will go, well, even if we have to live in a tiny flat, a tiny room, you know, with our tokens, you know, with our, what's it?Compliance tokens, I call them. Yeah. All those things.And our currency, and have you been well behaved, all that. People, I'm sorry, Peter, but a lot of people, like I've said in history, will go along with it. They'll go, well, what's the worst that can happen?At least I'll get my food and I'll get my, because they don't prize freedom.They don't prize the idea. And when I say freedom, I don't mean freedom, like it's this weird sort of slogan.I mean the free soul, the spirit, The idea that freedom is not just about a word, it's about you and the extension of you around you.So including things that come out of your mouth, your utterances, all that is sacred.And including swearing, by the way. And I know people say, I know there might be some Christians watching saying, how could you be a Christian?Well, I am, I've got my lovely cross on, which by the way, they made me take off in the police station.I said to them, what am I going to do, stab myself in the eye with it?It's a cross for heaven's sake. Even though I did hear people down the other cells say we need to pray so they were let out. Hmm.That's interesting, Peter. 
Look, the thing...And there's so much we could cover, and I won't keep you all day. But I want to, in, you're arrested. I mean, if you are, you've sworn, and that is illegal, and you can be arrested, something like that should be, you would think, well, you get taken down the station, you get like a 50 pound, 100 pound fine, I don't know what. But you were actually kept, probably because they thought you were a danger to society? What is the benefit of keeping you locked in a cell instead of just processing you in 30 minutes and then letting you go?
Yeah, well, good question. And when I went down there, they told me that I, and again, it's in the article, they told me, the solicitor on the phone said, they'd agreed, they'd suggested, they'd said that this is the police, so they'd give me a £90 fine, which I could either pay in 21 days or take it to court.So like, you know, dispute it and take it to court. So that was, I was told by the solicitor, she said, you'll be out in the afternoon.That was the first phone call.Hours later, when I started to get the feeling that something wasn't quite right, because I was getting, being told different things by the police who were opening the little cell door where they put the food and water in, I thought, hang on a minute, they're gonna try and keep me in for 24 hours.And according to Francis, who came down to the station, bless him, and stayed there for hours, Francis O'Neill.And I didn't know that he was there until someone had said, by the way, I think there's a friend of yours out there.He's been waiting, I was like, oh my God.Apparently, a separate team got involved, a kind of protest team.But you know what, when I was in there, one of the coppers, and again, this is in the article, said, we're conflicted about letting you go because we don't know who's gonna replace you.And as I was leaving, one of the other police women who interviewed me said, we've talked to all the staff here, and they say you're by far the nicest criminal that they've ever met.
They probably wanted to keep you in. Because you would lighten up the mood.
They did. Well, I was just there on my plastic mat reading a book.I had, because one of the lovely police, well, I say lovely, he was really, he didn't want to shut the door, the cell door.He didn't want to shut it. And he said, I don't know why you're in here.He said, you know, he whispered. And then he took me out and he, I chose a couple of books to read. So I was reading, I was there with my Bernard Cornwall.Which I only know about because James Delingpole mentioned it on his, mentioned it on London Calling. 
Yeah, it must be good. 
And then another book. And I was just there, you know, with my cups of tea, you know, nibbling on a little biscuit. And I was just like there, you know, do praying, singing, thinking, this too shall pass. You know, I'm thinking, I was thinking to myself, you're not Solzhenitsyn. You're not, you're not Nelson Mandela. You're not, You know, many, you know, Artur Pawlowski, the lovely Polish priest who, by the way, can I just quickly say, he needs our help. His trial in Canada is, the verdict is going to be on August the 9th. So this man, you know, who told, who they, the police interrupted an Easter service and he told them they were Nazis and the Gestapo, quite rightly. He then made a speech at to the truckers rally in 2022.He was then put in prison for 51 days. In prison.So if he gets found guilty, this is the Canada, the wonderful Canada under Trudeau, he'll get 10 years, 10 years.So to round this up, it was 17 hours, but it was not in comparison to many people many people who have come before me, including Artur, Artur Palowski, sorry any Polish people if I'm getting the pronunciation wrong.God love him.He's one of my true heroes of this time, because he was prepared to say, no, no, I'm not gonna live in a country.I'm not going to give away my freedom to you and the freedom of my congregation, my flock.He said, as a shepherd, he said, it's my duty to protect my flock.And I'm like, oh my goodness, you know? Maybe Calvin Robinson could take a few notes.I told you, you weren't going to get, Peter knows me, that I have to slip in the odd, well, it's true, come on, enough of the tweed and the baubles.What about the people?
There are no restrictions, Abi. I don't think we've ever edited, literally, and I say this, start with you.I think the only, we removed one video, but with someone who just went crazy and started just going at us, that was only one.Piers Corbyn we removed because he couldn't use a camera and the internet.So it was just...
Oh bless Piers
It was embarrassing. But I don't think we've ever actually edited or removed anything.So what's the point? You want the guest on, you want them to talk because you want them to speak.
And I am making, I think I'm making, well, you know, I'm making a point.And this is something I've, don't forget, you know, I've, I've had a journey over the last three years.I've contemplate and, and wrestle, struggle with stuff and ideas and, and my faith, and all these kind of things.And all I would say is that, beware the baubles.It's become like my catchphrase in my, on my site with my Abi Daily family, and on Twitter, beware the baubles. And what I mean by that is, the Holy Grail was not a jewel-encrusted chalice.It was a simple wooden cup, and in that cup was the truth. And that's all you need to know. 
100%.Abi, just to finish, just last thought, does this mean that if I go outside now, doing the school run, and I happen to swear, because, I don't know, for whatever reason, a colleague comes to me and I say, holy shit, what was that?Is that now suddenly, I can now be arrested or something over here?Or is it simply that the police now have the power to use and abuse whoever they want to at will?I think it's the latter, you're right. I'm not sure, it's not the, I mean the swear word is part of it, but as Artur Pawlowski says, that when he was living under Soviet, it is in Poland, when the Soviets were around, is that the police could, if they could choose a man, so anyone, and fine something on them.That's what the police motto was in Poland at that time. So, you know, you look around, pick anyone in the street and you'd find they might have a parking fine, they might've had a row with a neighbour a few years ago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.And the point is, they could just go, Right, you're coming down with us.So the swearing was sort of incidental to the bigger picture.So you're right that it is the police powers and because they don't know.I mean, the guys at the police desk, they didn't even know what coercion meant.I had to explain to them. I said, don't tell me this is in the police, you know, in full view of all the, everyone working there. I said, don't tell me that there aren't people in this room who were thinking, maybe something might have gone wrong with the vaccines or I might have been harmed.And then the guy behind the desk said, I wasn't forced, I wanted to go on holiday to Spain.So this is the kind of people, this is the kind of, they need to go back to, the rule, what the principles of law actually.So again, we're back to starting new institutions, Peter. We're sort of back to this idea that...That there needs to be a sort of non-violent, philosophical revolution needs to happen.Like a new enlightenment, actually.
Completely. We'll finish, Abi Daily, it's in the name, it is Abi every day, tell us what people can find. How do they find it, and how can they actually listen?
Yeah, well, so it's abiroberts.substack.com. you've got it under my name there.You just go to that address, you then you can listen for free.You can go on, I don't have any paywall. You can subscribe, you can if you want to donate, chuck in a few quid.I've got people who do that as well. So there's like, you'll see that I did it free for a year, and then there was pledges. So people pledged.Quite a few people went, I want to pledge. So then you switch the toggle on and then it changes to this idea that people can say.So basically, what I'm saying is, everyone's welcome to the Substack family, to Abi Daily family.I've also got some gigs coming up. I wasn't going to because I had a bit of problems with some trolls.So I was a bit like I freaked out, but I thought they're not going to win, you damn bastards, you wankers. So I have got gigs coming up at the next week.I'm doing Newport with Katie Hopkins on Friday the 28th.Then I've got Southampton 29th with a great bill with Alastair Williams.Then I've got various things coming up.Actually, that's the first bit. People will be hearing this on Monday going, we didn't think you were doing any live gigs. Well, fuck you because I am.I don't care if people want to come along and go, you're whatever, I don't know, you're a loon. I am.
Yeah, we did a few days before, but it's going out on Monday, the 24th?On Monday the 24th. So everyone will get it.Make sure, and for the viewers, listeners, make sure and follow Abi on her Twitter or Substack. Everything will be up there. And Abi, you're one of the fun people I've gotten over the last few years.It's been three years of meeting a whole new set of people and losing a whole load of people as well.
Losing a whole load of, yes. 
I know. 
To the baubles.
Oh, but I love what you do and thank you so much for joining us, Abi, and sharing your crazy experiences getting locked up.It's my pleasure. One last thing before we clock off is We the People, the book that I'm, and this goes back to the COVID inquiry, Whitewash. We the People is an e-book that I released at the end of last year with lots of stories that were written to me about lockdowns, about jab injuries, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm redoing that book. So it's going to to be really going to be like a e-pub, no, published book.And there will probably be hard copies. And there'll be a launch and an audio version.So with Bob Moran's cartoons. So it's going to be laid out.And I'm going to give it to any person I meet. I was going to say MP.What good would that do?But basically, so people can understand the true horror of what's gone on.And if that's my contribution along with being arrested, Like I said, that's fine by me, you know, and I'll try and keep people laughing as well.
You always do. I look forward to having that launch. 
Yeah, bless you. Come to the launch for sure.
Oh, I'm coming anyway, so just tell me where it is.Exactly. Just gate crash. 
I'll be there. 
All the best. All the best people gate crash.
I'll be there. Abi, thanks so much for your time today.
Cheers. Not a problem. God bless you all.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

Greetings and welcome! We should of been joined by our dear friend, David Vance, but he is a little under the weather with a frog in his throat.It is possibly the first time ever that David has been lost for words, so that just won't do!But the show must go on so our intrepid leader is flying solo.Coming live from Northern Ireland, This is The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna.After the By-Elections this week, Peter has a look at the polls across the UK then sets his sight further afield and looks at the state of play in The Netherlands, Spain, Germany and Austria.Then he gives us his thoughts on some of the stories on how the migration invasion is being handled on both sides of the pond and finishes with a warning why its not the best idea to glue your hands to things to save the planet!
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.He is a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Originally broadcast live 22.7.23
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Links to discussed topics...UK By-Electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66264317Sunak by-electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66266024UK Pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682394394706563072Netherlands pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElectsSpanish electionhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/spanish-election-offers-opportunity-to-far-right-as-pp-seeks-powerSpain pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1681055492838227968German pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682684286007230464Austrian pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682663771679125504Hotels small boat arrivalshttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/19/hotels-occupied-by-resettled-afghans-being-cleared-for-small-boat-arrivalsUK migrant bargehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66099583NYC mayor Eric Adams https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66259075.amphttps://www.nyc.gov/assets/home/downloads/pdf/press-releases/2023/AsylumSeekersUpdate_EngSp2_Flyer_006.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdeliveryClimate activists https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/climate-activists-glue-their-hands-on-airport-runway-might-need-amputation/articleshow/101751499.cms

Dr Steve Turley - Are We Seeing the Revitalisation of Christian Civilisation? A New Conservative Age is Rising

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For years Dr Steve Turley has been bringing an optimistic and upbeat analysis of current events. His Turley Talks are some of the most popular social commentaries in the Conservative sphere.  He joins Hearts of Oak to ask if we are seeing the revitalization of Christian civilization and a new Conservative age? We look at the political shockwaves happening across Europe with the rise of populist conservative political parties in many countries. And we end off looking at the rise of the parallel economy as a bulwark against the increasing woke economic wave that is sweeping through many large corporations.
Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University) is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker, and author who is widely considered one of the most exciting voices in today’s growing patriot movement.Dr. Steve’s popular YouTube channel has over 1 million subscribers and daily showcases his expertise in the rise of nationalism, populism, and traditionalism throughout the world. His videos, podcasts and writings on civilization, society, culture, education, and the arts are widely renowned.
Connect with Dr Steve and join the movement of Courageous Patriots...WEBSITE:         https://turleytalks.com/TWITTER:         https://twitter.com/DrTurleyTalksYOUTUBE:        https://www.youtube.com/@DrSteveTurleyTVPODCASTS:      https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/turley-talks/id1520478046
Interview recorded 17.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr Steve Turley. You'll have seen his Turley Talks, and I've loved watching these over the last few years, bringing an optimistic and hopeful message, looking at world events, looking at the political side, and often quite at odds with a more dour, conservative message, which we sometimes see in the media. But we look at, are we seeing the revitalization of Christian civilization? A new conservative age is rising. And we look at the political winds, the political conservative winds blowing across Europe and how they're changing also in the US. Why is that? We look at a search for spiritual meaning in the midst of the moral vacuum decay collapse of society when there is no right and wrong. People are searching for meaning and often people are looking to faith and to Christianity for that. And then we finish off on parallel economies.This is a pushback on the woke corporation, the woke agenda, the progressive wave that is coming through commerce and we are seeing a new set of companies that don't want to force that upon our throats and want to cater for a more traditional conservative market. 
Dr Steve Turley, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for your time.
(Dr Steve Turley)
It's my honour, Peter. Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here with you.
Oh, thank you. And you can find @DrTurleyTalks on Twitter, @SteveTurleyTV, obviously on YouTube. All the links are in the description, but turleytalks.com and the many podcasts at Turley Talks, but all the links are there in the description. And Dr. Steve Turley is internationally recognized, best-selling author. I didn't actually realize one of the books, touching on C.S. Lewis. Anyone who writes anything on C.S. Lewis is wonderful to have on. So from my home town back in Belfast. 
Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's right.
But you're a scholar, speaker, obviously, Turley Talks. I think you've been putting stuff up since, what, 2016, 2017, something like that? 
That's right. Yeah, we started on November 1st, 2016, just seven days leading up to November 8th, which was what I like to call Brexit Part Two, which was the election of Donald Trump. And so I started there. I made one video per day analysing the current political situation. I made the argument, the extended argument, that Trump was going to win against all odds, as it were. And of course, I spent the next few weeks gloating and we just kept going.Yeah, give us a little bit of your background. Probably 80%, well, 75% of our viewers are UK, 15% US, and then the rest all over. So, Dr. Steve, could you just take a moment and introduce yourself to our UK audience who may not be as familiar with you as others?Yeah, well, I'm Dr. Steve Turley. Technically, I'm an internationally recognized scholar, speaker and author, that's part of the elevator pitch. But I've spent most of my life either in the world of music, my first degree was in classical guitar, or in theology. My other degrees are in theological studies, the last one being a PhD from Durham University in the UK.Which we were just talking about. And as a result, I was in academia for a number of years, both at the university level as well as classical schools. Classical schools are going through a bit of a renaissance here in the States and as well as in Europe where we're going back to the great books tradition, Latin, Greek, the importance of theology as the queen of the sciences and so on.So I spent about 20 years, 18 years in that world and then a friend of mine suggested I start doing some YouTube videos to analyse the political and cultural scene going on back in 2016. It was obviously very exciting. Brexit had just passed in June, which I mean, I didn't think it stood a chance and I was, of course, hoping for it, but when I saw it actually happening, that's when I I realized a lot of the scholarship that I had encountered at Durham University, which we can develop a bit, called post-secular studies.That's when I started to see some of the ramifications of those studies actually in real time. So my friend suggested I do something akin to that kind of analysis for people with the upcoming Trump-Clinton election, which I did. And the channel turned out to be a hit, as it were, over time. And so I ended up leaving academia and going into broadcasting full-time. And I've since written 20 books on various subjects, and we now have over a million subscribers to the YouTube channel. And really in the end, my daily analysis is one of looking at current events in light of, of what I would call very real conservative trends.And so my analysis tends to be very optimistic for the conservative, which is fair, which cuts against the grain and rightly so, fully noted.We've lived for the last 300 years in what's called the modern world and the modern world's inherently leftist, liberal, anti-traditionalists, you know, it's...Keep science and religion worlds apart, they have nothing to do with each other, and on and on and on. So rightly so, we've been rightly frustrated, but that modern age is coming to an end and a new world is rising. And so what I try to do is provide hope for courageous patriots with daily optimistic broadcasting of news and events.
Can I start with your tagline on your YouTube, it's the secular world is at its brink and a new conservative age is rising. Tell us about, because bad news sells better than good news, which you mentioned in the conservative circles. Tell us why you use that, I guess that tagline, that message.
Yeah. Well, I, you know, I have you guys over on the other side of the pond to blame for that, I would say a little bit of it when I was doing my doctoral studies at Durham University.It was while I was there that I came across a field of study that's broadly known as post-secular studies, and it's a huge field of study. I mean, it deals with, philosophy and law and fashion and media and politics, you name it, and involves all kinds of scholars like Jürgen Habermas, a sociologist, he's really the one who kind of coined the phrase decades ago, Peter Berger's another one, Charles Taylor, Talal Asad, they're all united in their assessment that what's known as the secularization thesis is for all practical purposes dead in the social sciences. So secularization thesis is this notion, it was very popular in the early 20th century.It's this notion that the more educated and technological society becomes, the less religious it will be. So sociologists like Max Weber, Emil Durkheim, they all saw secularity and progressivism and so forth, as just basically baked into the cake of this progressive, evolutionary movement of history. And what these post-secular scholars were arguing is that thesis, for all practical purposes, is dead. And they made the argument that very few contemporary sociologists will take the secularization thesis seriously today. And that's because, as it turns out, religion is more prevalent in our world today. It's actually, well, I should say it's just as prevalent in our world today as it's always been. And in fact as Rodney Stark at Baylor University would put it, we're actually going through the single greatest religious renewal the world has ever seen. But the key here is that what all of these different scholars are noticing in their own way, in their own bent, and their own degree of, you know, strength or certitude, is that this return of religion that's going on all over the world, because of this extraordinary religious renewal, the world's political order is changing.So these aren't just personal private sentiments that people are just having new religious experiences of. No, this is changing the balance of power. This is something that's enacting a kind of paradigm shift we haven't seen probably in 300 years.In other words, we're increasingly shifting away from the world order that began in Europe with the Enlightenment in the 18th century, that was founded on the fundamental tenets of scientific rationalism as a one-size-fits-all vision of reality for everyone, that became universalized through colonization and industrialization and globalization and westernization.And what we're seeing here now is more and more populations rejecting that modern world, and embracing what's commonly called a more post-modern or post-secular world.That's ultimately working itself out with populations going back, going back to nation, culture, custom, tradition, most particularly religious traditions, to quite literally, ironically, pre-modern beliefs and practices, while at the same time maintaining modern technology. So this is something akin to what Guillaume Fay argued, or what he called archaeo-futurism.Some have called it techno-primitivism, but it's the notion that the antithesis between science and religion and church and state, you know, technology and tradition, that's at the heart of the modern age, that antithesis has collapsed. And now the two are joining forces, like we're seeing with the rise of neo-Orthodox Russia or neo-Confucian China, Shinto Japan, Hindu nationalist India with the BJP party there, the neo-Ottoman vision of Erdogan in Turkey.Of course, we saw it in 1979 with the rise of theocratic Iran. Now we've got theocratic Afghanistan, now we've got neo-traditionalism absolutely on fire all throughout the African continent and on and on and on and on.And I think it's taken Western powers by surprise. I mean, it doesn't matter if you're dealing with the Dolts in D.C.or the bullies in Brussels or the demons of Davos, my comic book names for them.But Western elites just don't really know what to do with this new, far more traditionalist, conservative world. Or that's how I use the term conservatives, ultimately is a traditionalist.That's what, that's what unites a Texas conservative with a with a Hindu conservative in, you know, in India.Because they don't know what to do with this world order because it doesn't respond to the political and economic manipulative pressures that the West has learned to rely on over the last several decades and sort of closed the loop here to make things even worse for them.The same dynamics are manifesting themselves in the West. But obviously from a different vantage point, because we were really the centre, the epicentre of this industrialism, of this globalism, of this enlightenment, sort of ideology that has morphed into a very bizarre wokeness.But we're seeing comparable nationalist, populist, traditionalist trends on both sides of the Atlantic, with the Brexit and Trump earthquakes happening literally within days of each other, what, 90 days or so, just a few months of each other, more than that. But Trump actually campaign back in 2016. There was a time in the mid-summer when he said, call me Mr. Brexit.I mean, he was a huge supporter of Brexit, a huge supporter of dismantling the liberal world order and the globalist institutions that make up that order. So while there's all kinds of hiccups and and there's all kinds of oppressions and all kinds of roadblocks and frustrations and setbacks.There's really nothing the Dolts in DC or the Bullies in Brussels can do to stop this tectonic shift that's happening underneath their feet. No political paralysis in the palace of Westminster, can stop it because again it's a foundational paradigm shift from secular to post-secular, from modern to post-modern, and so secular modernist sentiments and structures are indeed withering away. 
You talk about kind of religion, spirituality, and certainly it's strange because we have this search for meaning in an age of chaos where there is no order, no right and wrong, no truth, and people are looking at spirituality. Certainly I have seen it here in the UK, people once again opening their Bibles, trying to understand what it is all about.So you have that rise of inquisitiveness, of curiosity, and at the same time, certainly from a Christian point of view, you've got a very weak church that seems to have bought into that lie, the progressive lie. What are your thoughts on that, and how does that work out in the U.S.?Oh yeah, in terms of the mainline churches, we're seeing very much the same thing. I mean, what happened, of course, is in the modern experiment, the church got privatized. I mean, even in the UK in many respects, even though you have a national church there.And we get to see it and we're actually enamoured by it whenever there's a coronation or a royal wedding or a funeral, a monarchical funeral, whatever. 
You can have the Church of England any day, Steve. Please take it. 
I went to school with some of the clergy in Durham and I was shocked by some of the interaction I had with them. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. And again, we're facing it here to the extent that the Episcopal Church manifests our wing of the Anglican Church or the United Methodist Church. Mainline denominations have basically gone the way of modernity, and it's because they got privatized. And we have to just remember that, you know, if you just compare the way, like we were just talking about the beauties of Durham, medieval cities, where the church was in the urban planning of the medieval city, of course, it was right at the very centre. I mean, you've got a map of the Christian image, a Christian cosmos in every medieval city here in the states the New England commonwealth drew from similar frames of reference, the church steeple, the highest building in the commonwealth there with it with a town green and Edenic green in its front and like you look at modern urban planning today, where's the church? if it's even there it's been it's been pushed into the place of consumerism you know, it's right next to pizzerias and dry cleaners and it's and what's happened as a result is the truth has been privatized because public life and private life operate by very different dynamics. Public deals with the obligatory, whereas private is more optional, right? Public is objective, private is subjective, public applies to all, private applies to only some. So when you privatize the church, what you do is you basically wither, you hollow out its truth and its moral claims because truth is public, it's not private.Truth is objective, it's not subjective. Truth applies to all by definition, not to only some.And so when you're pushed into the social equivalent of a Weight Watchers program or the YMCA or like a pizzeria or whatever.If you're pushed into that equivalent, you can know more proclaimed truth than they can.That's what got hollowed out of the gospel. So the gospel no longer weighs on us, like it would have, say, just in the 18th century. So the clergy, I mean, they're more interested in all these gimmicks and church marketing programs and the like. I'm broad brushing, but you know where I'm coming from. In the states, we do, since church and state are so separated here, in one sense, right, the church can be actually pretty vibrant here at local levels. And so many leftists think we live in a default theocracy in all the red states, or even more specifically, sort of the red counties where the church exercises, very conservative church exercises, so much inordinate influence and the like, but there are very, very heavy barriers placed on that, where it's not allowed to rise to more national levels. They do everything they can to quell that.But it does seem to be, for all kinds of reasons, particularly demographic reasons, it does seem to be rising in a way that they just can't clamp down on anymore.
And Christian faith still seems to be something that's seemed positive, certainly in, generally in politics. I mean, when you look at the front bench of, in parliament, of any MP, the last thing they would ever want to say is they'd go to a church or they may be a Christian. That's just not on the radar. In the US, it still seems that that is part of, kind of, the identity, and even Joe Biden claims he's a Christian, and I'll let him take that up with God personally, but how does that, because you still seem to have that as a central tenant, as an anchor, certainly in the political sphere.Yeah, right. Exactly. It's still very, very strong here. It's right. I mean, I guess we would be more akin to the Irish side of the UK, where religion is just a stronger part in the United States. Yeah, it's no coincidence that secularization thesis was actually formulated in Europe because that's what they were seeing. They were seeing these radical secularizing forces as liberalism, and the liberal project began to take over in Europe. And yeah, it just, it took over here in the States to a certain extent, particularly among our elite, but that never really made it into the heartland. We, for whatever reason, we just were able to keep, I guess maybe it's just the frontier sort of culture that we have here, but in our rural and in ex-urban areas, Christianity's just been able to flourish.I think largely also because of the demographic revolution that's happening today, where liberalism more or less destroyed the family, they stopped having kids.And so with all these alternative lifestyles or just with very secularized conceptions of the family, woke liberals, while busying themselves trying to take over every cultural institution in the nation and being very successful in doing so.They forgot to procreate. So for whatever reason they omitted replacing themselves from the cultural takeover plan. So we have a number of studies, Ed Dutton actually has an excellent studies, he's in the UK, Durham fellow as well, on the extraordinary fertility differences between atheists and religionists and liberals and conservatives. And in all kinds of demographic studies all over the world, but particularly in North America and Europe, we're seeing a very clear and direct relationship between, for lack of better term, you know, how right-wing you are, particularly how religiously conservative you are, and how many children you have. And the demographic discrepancy is extraordinary, and that seems with the United States and with its concentrated population, that's having some pretty profound effects. So yeah, it'd be very hard to win an election here nationally and be hostile, overtly hostile to faith in your expressions. Like you said, I think Joe Biden's incredibly hostile to faith. Just ask any Christian baker, for example.But he will never admit to that. He'll always try to say, oh, I'm a good churchgoing, Catholic and blah, blah, blah.Obama did the same thing. Yeah.Clinton, you know, scenes of him singing in his church choir.You just, there's no way around it.You have to, you have to do this. If anything, Trump, Trump may have been probably the least overtly Christian fellow we had, but I mean, his pod, they were, it was so woven into his policies that it just, it didn't matter.
No, absolutely. Can I ask you, obviously the message you bring, a hopeful message, and I've seen you on numerous, I think I saw you on Seb Gorka the other day. The only person kind of I come across with that, kind of more positive outlook possibly is Steve Bannon. But yours, I mean, do you, are you told, come on Steve, it's really, look, we've got this against, we've got that against, just come on, it's and you're living in a fairy world.How do you kind of cope with that pushback that just fit into the this is a fight and it's a dark fight and we may win in the end?How do you kind of cope against that? The choice to tune that positivity down?
Yeah, yeah. They I've been accused of pushing copious copium on. Oh, no, absolutely.And again, well, the irony to it all is when I first came across post-secular scholarship, I didn't believe it. I thought it was applicable to the Middle East, Africa, particularly Sub-Saharan Africa.Maybe I noticed Russia being in the orthodox tradition. I noticed Russia was doing quite well.But outside of that, I mean, I came across this during the Obama era, right after the Obama era started in 2009.And I just, I didn't buy it. I thought the West was shot. The West was done.So I share, ironically, I have shared in that kind of pessimism.But the more I studied, the more I was confronted with the data and the more I'm seeing the political outworking's happening that data just is is playing itself out it's just getting confirmed and I think too one of the ways of thinking about the current climate we're in particularly spiritual climate analytically helpful way of seeing it it is through the prism of post secularism sort of a counter reading of it, we have to recognize how frustrated and disconcerted our secular left is. Remember, secular progressivism lived by the notion that religion was on its way out. Conservatism was on its way out.Traditionalism was on its way out. It was an evolutionary throwback that had no relevance to us today. And so you have the likes of like a Sam Harris who's repeatedly and openly expressed his utter dismay as to the stubbornness of particularly American Christianity but also Islam, not just its persistence but its actual growth and flourishing. And so to these people who've admittedly captured all the cultural levers of power, to these people, we're not supposed to be around, Peter.So a lot of the persecution that we're facing here, political, cultural, economic, the de-banking, the latest trend of de-banking that Nigel Farage has had to deal with, these persecutions are happening precisely because we're not supposed to be here. We're not supposed to persist.So I see a lot of the the obstacles and the frustrations that we face as an ironic confirmation. That the jokes on them. We're winning. We're not going away. They can clamp down as hard as they want on us. We've got all the demographic back winds behind us blowing in our direction. One of the fascinating statistics is that in just three decades, they predict there will be one liberal woman here in the United States for every so-called, for every four far-right women. And it's just because when all is said and done, right-wingers are having families and in many ways, bigger than ever, because you take in consideration child mortality rates having imploded.So we're having more kids than ever, and we have the data on whether or not those kids retain that conservatism into adulthood.And the answer is yes, because the more conservative, the more you tend to rely on parallel structures, like Bible colleges or home-schooling or what have you.And the United States and Britain are number one and number two in terms of home-schooling populations.Populations. Interestingly enough, Russia is number three, which is also fascinating.But so what we're seeing is we're seeing 70%, 80% retention rates among young people.We've studied particularly with the Amish, the Amish population.And the Amish retention rates have actually been going up over the last 30 years. Eric Kaufman, who's a Canadian expat at University of London, has done a lot of writing on this.And back in the 70s and 80s, if I recall, they had about a 70% retention level. About 30% of their kids would go through Rundspringe, this kind of, you get to flirt a little bit with the outside world. About 30% of them said, no, I like this. I'm going to stay in the outside world. And they basically become Mennonite, so they stay close to their families, but they have more freedom with modern technology and so forth.Those numbers have hit upwards of 80% or 90% retention of late.So the more woke and crazy our society gets, ironically, the more traditionals hang on to their kids.So there's just no way around it.They're disappearing. We're growing. And there's nothing they can do to stop that.And so as long as those dynamics are in place, Kauffman says by 2030, the United States culture war should tip dramatically in favour of the right permanently, or at least for the foreseeable future.We're estimated to have upwards of 300 million Mormons in our country just by the end of the century, 300 million Amish by the end of next century.So we're basically evangelicals, Mormons, Amish. I know there's a joke in there somewhere.I haven't quite figured it out yet. It can't be walking into a bar, Mormons don't drink, but three guys walked into a bar.But Europe is the same thing. Now it's slower because you don't have the density of the population and the Bible Belt per se, but you look at what Viktor Orban's doing in Hungary.
Can I ask, because you've written and one of the things that I've enjoyed about, what you put out is that youcover what's happening in Europe and I wouldn't want to criticize the wonderful U.S.commentators and maybe not looking at Europe. We certainly in Europe look to the U.S. for kind of... 
Terrible. No, you could criticize, they completely ignore you and it makes me upset, because at least Eastern Europe particularly they're ahead of us. You know, we're all honouring Viktor Orban but we were talking about Viktor Orban six years ago before anybody knew his name around here. So yes, no, go ahead, beat them up all you want, Peter.He's an absolute rock, but it's not, I mean, two of the, uh, two podcasts you put out recently, France's right-wing party surge and first persons riots. In other words, WEF, Dutch government collapses, and that's going to be phenomenal to watch that with the new farming party.But all across, I mean, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Italy, uh, Austria, Germany, it's, it's happening all over and how, I guess, as an American commentator, do you view what's happening?Because I think a lot of us maybe in Europe had thought, you know, we're post-Christian in Europe and conservatism is very much out of fashion and this liberal way of this, the EU just knitting everyone together, throwing off the nation-state and suddenly you've got a push back on nearly every single country across Europe. How do you see that from the States?Absolutely, yeah. I think again, well, getting my doctorate in the UK helped, no question, to kind of broaden my horizons to what was going on in the world. But also, when I encountered the post-secular studies, a lot of it was on Europe and the trends that were happening, particularly starting in Eastern Europe, going into Central Europe, talking a lot about Hungary and Poland. We were just seeing the rise of the Law and Justice Party Poland back around that time. And I really thought, and again, you have to remember this was during our Obama era. I really saw the so-called far right. They're not far right. They're just, you know, the apostles of common sense, I think you would call it, but I was noticing that we were already seeing the 300% surge in so-called far right parties, these nationalist populist parties. And I really thought, wow, something's going to happen in Europe before we know it. And then again, this is before Brexit sentiments came in. The Cornell sociologistMabel Berezin has written about what she calls post-security politics. And it's very interesting because she argues that the nation state historically promised to provide three things, secure borders, a stable economy, and a space for the celebration and perpetuation of a population's customs, traditions, and religion. And what Berezin argued is that, of course, over the last three, four decades, we've seen all those securities just erode as a result of globalization, so border security eroding as a result of mass unfettered immigration, economic security eroding through what's called a global division of labour, where manufacturing and industrial factory jobs are shipped out to third world nations, while capital and finance are relocated in urban centres, leaving rural populations highly disenfranchised.So that's where you got the Yellow Vest uprising in France, where there were no jobs, where rural folk were living. They had to commute to the big cities to work.But they couldn't work there because the gentrification of those cities through finance had jacked up the real estate prices.So there was no work where they lived, and they couldn't live where there was work.And then they're commuting an hour and a half each way.And then Macron slaps a fuel tax on them to pay for some green initiative.And that just blew up into the Yellow Vest uprising.So we saw that kind of post-security politics there. And then the cultural security has eroded through progressive political correctness, redefining our traditions as racist and bigoted and all kinds of phobic.At the same time, we're seeing this mass influx of migrants coming in with a different culture, different language and so forth.So it goes right back to the border security. So it's a closed loop, as it were, a self-enforcing loop.And so post-security politics was manifesting itself very clearly in the rise of bootleg parties.That's a neat phrase. again, I think goes back to Eric Kaufman, where the centre-right, centre-left were in their political paralysis.They refused to deal with any of those issues, any border security, any economic security, any cultural security.And so you ended up seeing the rise of these so-called, we call them third parties here in the parliamentary system, and they started to win.Nigel being one of the most extraordinary examples of that. I mean, back in 2019, one in three Brits voted for a party for the European Parliament elections before Brexit was finally instituted.And even then, you know, we know we got the issues, but they voted for the Brexit party and it was only what, six weeks old, five or six weeks old.The Tories collapsed.It was absolutely astonishing and the Tories only had their best election ever months later with Nigel basically bowing out and giving his blessing that if you want Brexit, put Boris back in. So you're seeing these, if you've got border security, economic, I'm sorry, yeah, border security, economic security, and cultural security as the new main issues of European populations, then you inevitably see nationalism, populism, and traditionalism emerging as the political forces that are changing politics in the continent.Now again, bullies in Brussels are doing everything they can to stop it. You'll hear them talk that way, as you well know, where you just hear them say, well, we have instruments that we can use to force compliance and things like that. But increasingly, it's just not working. Finland, you mentioned, the Sweden Democrats, the rise of the AFD in Germany. They're doing everything they can to try to prevent the AFD from running in their next national election because it looks like right at this point they're going to come in second only to, formally, Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats. So the Vox party in Spain, keep an eye on that next week. They have their, socialist government collapsed and they're going to probably boot out Sanchez and they're going to probably get into a coalition government with the Podemos party, the centre-right party, so you have something very much like what we're having in Finland, in Sweden, in Greece where the left just collapsed, and on and on and on. I think France is next. I think National Rally is poised to win a very impressive national election. And then if they begin to coalition with the centre-right Republicans and a couple of the others, Eric Zemmour's party and so forth. Now suddenly France is going to be a, the France that was supposed to be the globalist space par excellence forEurope's new emperor, Emmanuel Macron, now they're going to have a government more on par with Viktor Orban. It's incredible.
It is and we could have the AFD arrive second in Germany, could have a freedom party first in Austria next year and Le Pen leading France. I mean that would just be the most beautiful scenario... 
And it's happening, that's the thing, what we try to do, every day on my channel and what you're doing is we're tapping into the trends that are moving, in this direction. So a lot of people are late to the party. A lot of people are like, what's going on in Europe? This is amazing stuff. Well, it's Nigel Farage first came on the scene in the 1990s. This is stuff that's been happening. I mean, remember the European union sanctioned Austria when the when the freedom party first got a certain amount of the vote. And if I recall, that was back in the 1990s as well, well before the 2008 global financial crisis. These are seeds that have been germinating for a while, and they've already been sown, and now we're just going to witness how big the harvest is.Another part of the jigsaw, and we'll finish up on this area, but is the economic side. And one of your phrases from your website is, now is the time to build a parallel economy, to live out our God-given freedoms and leave a legacy of faith, family and freedom for our children and grandchildren.And that idea of a parallel economy intrigues me, especially when you see corporations bound to wokeness and being severely damaged because of it, happily. Tell us more about that parallel economy because we've talked about kind of the spiritual and the political side but, you also need to have a juggernaut, an economic juggernaut, taking that on and people need an alternative and this is what a lot of the conversation has been about a parallel economy.Absolutely, and again it's a term or it's a concept that's also European as well. I mean just in terms of the way it was formalized and written about, I'm thinking in particular of Václav Havel, Václav Benda, and the Soviet-dominated Czechoslovakia in the 1970s and 80s.They wrote a lot about what they called a parallel polis, and they actually pointed to churches and the concept of the churches in Jerusalem as this notion of being able to create an alternative society where citizens can live out truth in the midst of a society dominated by lies, like in the Soviet period, and the more we live out truth, the more we reveal those lies to be what they actually are, fabrications and the like. So, obviously, Václav Havel was a brilliant fellow, ended up becoming president of Czechoslovakia and then the Czech Republic.And the Berlin Wall fell within just a decade or so of those writings.So we're taking a lot of inspiration from that as we live in a kind of, well, what scholars actually call a refeudalization. I've heard the term refeudalization for the United States, and I've heard the term neo-medievalism when applied to Europe because of the EU functioning very similarly to, say, the Holy Roman Emperor or something, or the Roman Catholic Church,working in that way, having sort of ultimate control over districts and emerging sovereign nations and the like. But refeudalization refers, it's a very helpful model to see what's going on today, because it refers to ways in which the structure of society is increasingly reflecting the, this kind of caste system. So for example, today, like say in the medieval period, you have an astonishing concentration of wealth and power in the hands of very, very few. So five years ago, 400 billionaires owned half the world's assets. Today, that number's dropped to a hundred. Now, thank God one of them is on our side. Elon Musk is, and that, and he's just, he's been one of the biggest boosts to this parallel economy that's trying to provide a different kind of space from this neo-feudalism or refeudalization.But it's not just the billionaires and the bureaucrats that are that are teaming up.There's also a new kind of radicalized fundamentalism involving all things woke, the environment, gender and race. And again, that's where bureaucrats and billionaires, you can really see them teaming up where you have corporations now enforcing ESG and DEI.And this is where the demons and Davos come in. They're enforcing stuff that none of us would ever vote for, right, from our politicians, but because bureaucrats and billionaires are hooking up here with this bizarre kind of ideological fundamentalism.Where there's no room for dissent whatsoever, dissenters are heretics, but instead of a clerical class, now it's a clerisy class, a class of pseudo-intellectuals from the universities, the professional class, the credential class that are imposing an ideological inquisition on the whole of the population. But again, the good news is what we're seeing is something akin to a Protestant revolt that we saw coming out of that feudalized period, and the Protestant revolt in many ways was a populist revolt where the people had the right to the scriptures and so on and so forth and to pray and to have a direct relationship to God, And so what we're seeing, I think, is we're seeing a new kind of Protestant revolt in the form of a parallel economy where more and more people are with money and investment opportunities and seeing extraordinary business opportunities are starting to pump lots and lots of money into an economy that is the only requirement of being a part of it is you must disown all things woke. Anything woke is not allowed.Anything else, you're come on in. You're going to love it. So we're seeing the Sound of Freedom movie.It's number one at the box office. It's about to hit a hundred million dollars in revenue.This is all as the Disney's new Indiana Jones has just bombed and as a matter of fact, Disney. I just came across a stat the other day, Disney has lost nearly 1 billion dollars in its last eight releases. Nobody's going to see it anymore, So they're going to alternative movies. Um, they're going to alternative stores. They're boycotting, well, I would say they're going to alternative beer, but I don't think bud light is beer quite frankly. I'm partial to British beer myself, but you see Bud Light's sales on the tank, Target, you know, they had their pride section for children in their clothing store.Target is a department store here in the States.They're falling apart because of a boy, actually Boycott Target was a song and it hit number one on iTunes.It's just amazing stuff going on. And it's happening at the same time, even within the Democratic Party.There are constituencies like Muslims who are pushing back against the LGBT agenda.So in Hamtramck, Michigan, which is a Detroit district, it votes 70% Democrat, but they have the first all Muslim city council there.They were the first city council to vote unanimously to officially ban the rainbow LGBT pride flag from flying on any and all city public property.And these were all Democrats. And Democrats and the woke just don't know what to do with this, because they're seeing all of their cultural products basically going bankrupt.And now they're even seeing what was up until now very loyal voting constituents rebelling against them as well.It does really look like it's starting to implode. And this parallel economy may indeed be the mainstream economy within the next five to 10 years.Dr. Steve Turley, I appreciate you coming on and sharing that optimism and upbeat message, which I think is often missing in commentary. So thank you so much for joining us today.
Thank you, Peter. It's been my honour.

Tera Dahl - Time for Republicans to Champion Legal Law-Abiding Immigration and Stop the Green Card Jabs

Show notes and Transcript
Tera Dahl joins Hearts of Oak, bringing her deep understanding of policy and her many years experience in the media. She has worked on Capital Hill in Michele Bachmann's office in Congress, in the Trump administration in the White House and most recently at USAID. Her Media expertise started with Breitbart and she now works with Real America Voice. Immigration and foreign policy are two of her areas of unbridled knowledge and she shares with us her concerns that Green Card law-abiding immigrants are being faced with a choice. Either they take the COVID shot or their application will not be processed. Green Card or your life. But a different story for those entering illegally, they are not forced to take the jab.The Republicans need to be championing this issue and standing up for law and order and the right to choose what toxins go into your body. Tera also shares her concerns at the out of control Fentanyl problem seen in many urban areas in the US. We finish by asking why the US have abandoned their role of intervention abroad and retreated from everywhere....except Ukraine.
Article in Gateway Pundit...'It’s Time for Republicans to Champion the Rights of Legal Law-Abiding immigrants and Stop the Green Card Jab Mandates' by Peter Mcilvennahttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/its-time-republicans-champion-rights-legal-law-abiding/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=its-time-republicans-champion-rights-legal-law-abiding
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Tera Dahl, who I've got to know over the last few months. She served with Michelle Bachmann as her Chief of Staff. She was also in the Trump administration, National Security Council, and she brings to us a wealth of knowledge of policy, but also from her media background, Breitbart and Real America Voice, and she joins us today to talk about immigration.
This issue that legal immigrants must get a COVID jab. If you want your green card status to be finalised, you must go for medical check and have a COVID jab, despite the mandates all being lifted, despite illegals flooding over the border. And we talk about this issue, why it needs to be a key issue for MAGA and Trump. We talk about immigration being so politicised. Then we talk about other things like fentanyl, the drug issue that's happening in America, how it has blighted American society. And then we end up talking to Tera about her great expertise and understanding of geopolitical events. She's travelled to Afghanistan, Iraq, to many war-torn countries by herself with Michelle Bachmann, but also with USAID and she shares that understanding of geopolitical issues. 
Tera Dahl, it is wonderful to have you with us today.Thank you so much for your time. 
(Tera Dahl)
Well, thank you so much for having me, Peter.It is great to be with you. 
Not at all.For the viewers, Tera and I, I met Tera back when I was over at CNP, actually, on the East Coast.We had a nice catch up over lunch, connected by a mutual friend, but Tera, former Chief of Staff for Congresswoman, Michelle Bachmann, and she put us in touch with Michelle.We've had Michelle on twice, talking about education and about the WHO, and Tera is former Deputy Chief of Staff, National Security Council.I'm going to stop there because Tera, your brief is large and your background is vast.Could I, before we get into the topic on immigration and wider, can I ask you just to take a moment and introduce yourself.
Yeah, absolutely. So I got into politics when I was in college. I started volunteering with Michelle Bachmann, who was a state senator at the time in Minnesota. She was my representative.I was at St. Cloud State University, and I heard her speak, and I just had tears rolled down my eyes. I didn't know if I was a Democrat. I didn't know if I was a Republican at that time, but I knew when I heard Michelle Bachmann speak that it resonated in my heart, and I wanted to support her candidacy for U.S. Congress.So I signed up as a volunteer and just started, you know, calling people, doing phone calls, doing door knocking, doing mailing.And then I eventually moved to D.C. when Michelle got elected and became, started very, just staff assistant, and worked my way up to senior advisor for Congressman Bachmann and really focusing on terrorism.She sat on the House Intel Committee, and so I did mostly the national security and the foreign policy for her.And that's really when I started getting involved with what was going on with the war on terrorism.I spent time over in Afghanistan.I spent time in Iraq with the American Red Cross serving our American troops during that period.Michelle was so amazing. She would let me leave for six months to go volunteer with the American Red Cross in Iraq, come back, work for her.Then I would go to Afghanistan and come back, and she would bring me back in again.So I just had opportunities to really, to see first-hand what was going on, on the ground over in the wars.In the war zones. And I also then, after leaving Michelle's office, I spent time during the Arab Spring under President Obama. And that's where I really, my eyes were very much open to just the false narratives that were coming out of the mainstream media. That's how I got involved with journalism. I never planned on writing. I happened to be overseas in Egypt during the counter revolution, when you had 30 million Egyptians go to the street and ask for new elections against the Muslim Brotherhood government, and so I happened to be on the ground during that time, and I saw how CNN was handling it, New York Times, Washington Post, and I said, this is not what, the reality on the ground is not what is being written by our mainstream media, and that was impacting policy. They were using the articles and the media coverage to be able to impact policy, and so that's how I got involved in journalism. I ended up going back to Northern Iraq during the in the war against ISIS.I spent time with the Libyans who were in exile in Egypt.I went to Syria, had gone to Nigeria. So I've just done a lot on the ground, which has really impacted how I have really pushed back then against really trying to write the truth, and countering that false narrative from the mainstream media.But then I went into the 2016 Trump campaign and National Security Council transition team.I went into the White House as General Kellogg's Deputy Chief of staff for the National Security Council.And eventually at the last year of the Trump administration, I was over at USAID as senior advisor in the Conflict Prevention and Stabilization Bureau and working on the women's security issues and the conflict prevention over at USAID.
Tell us about USAID. That's fascinating and something I know very little about as a Brit.Tell us about that. 
Well USAID I think has really started out as a good organization, a good concept, but I think what's really happened right now over at USAID, especially after working there, I've seen just a lot of the issues, a lot of the, way that we spend money is being misspent and it's not really in the national security or American interests. And so I could really go down USAID and foreign funding in general, and I think the big question to ask, and I think I would argue, is foreign funding constitutional?I think that's changed a lot. I think we're spending a lot of money on foreign funding that we should not be spending. And I think a big contrast is President Trump. President Trump has been very outspoken on that and very much using economic leverage for diplomacy, whereas I think right now we're giving a lot of money at USAID and it's going through USAID topeople and areas that it's not being well spent for the betterment of America and I think what really happens with USAID is it's almost like you create a problem and then we give USAID more money to solve that problem that we've already created. So I think you could really get into the funds and how it's spent and there needs to be a lot of oversight at USAID and I guess if I could give an opinion on the foreign funding, I think we really need to dismantle USAID in general and put it under another agency and another department because the money isn't being well spent.And you're not really seeing the return on investment. If you give money, even a taxpayer dollar, that's taxpayer dollars, what's your return on that investment? I don't think you're seeing that.Well, we'll maybe touch on that in a little bit, but if I want to maybe start on immigration, I'd put a piece together basically with a number of mutual friends behind the scenes helping that, and it was this time for Republicans to champion the rights of legal law-abiding immigrants and stop the green card jab mandates. Maybe I can ask you what is the, we've had Jaeson Jones and you were amazing on connecting us with Jaeson and he was great talking about the southern border and the issues there. But immigration, I guess, how has immigration become so politicised and what is the situation at the moment?I think it really has become politicised and it's sad because what's happening is that you're actually under this Biden administration, they're weaponizing the, immigration system. And when I say that, I mean, they're using, they're bringing in all the illegal immigrants, and I believe they're doing it for their purposes, for votes. And instead of supporting legal immigration, this isn't about immigration. This is about legal immigration versus illegal immigration. And you wrote an excellent piece, Peter, on this. And the debate needs to be, especially with the Republicans, has to be on the illegal immigration versus legal immigration.I think we're not against immigration. No one's against immigration, but you have to go through the ports of entry and you have to do it the legal way. And I think that's what you're seeing right now under this administration is they're allowing hundreds of thousands, millions of illegal immigrants into the United States right now, which is look at the fentanyl that's causing over 100,000 deaths every single year.You're looking at the crime rate that has gone up. I feel like every community in the United States, I think is seeing and feeling the impact of the illegal immigration that is coming under the Biden administration.You're feeling it in neighbourhoods that you would never suspect you would see it in.You're seeing more crime, more people that are on drugs.I see it in my neighbourhood. I see it everywhere I go, the impact of the Biden administration's illegal immigration policies.And I think it's impacting, Not only are we losing thousands of Americans because of fentanyl, but our hospitals are being overrun, which is going to increase our health insurance and our access to healthcare.Our education system is being overrun.We're having to pay as American taxpayers for these illegal immigrants who are coming in illegally.And I think that's the big debate. And like you said, Peter, in your article, just to touch on that is, what's going on too is the vaccination requirements with the illegal immigrants that are coming in, there's no requirement for them to be vaccinated with the COVID-19 vaccine.They don't have to be.So you're having hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in that are not vaccinated, and the Biden administration seems to be completely okay with that.Not only are they illegally entering the United States, but they're not being required to get a COVID-19 vaccine.But now compare that to what is happening with the legal immigrants who are trying to go through the process legally, who want to contribute to the United States, who want to better our society.And go through the process, and get the green card, and say the pledge, and assimilate into our nation. Not integrate, assimilate into America. And they're being required to get the COVID vaccine. They have to choose between health, as you greatly said in your piece, Peter, they have to choose between health and freedom. And they shouldn't have to do that. And I think that people are not realizing that. I don't think the Republicans, I don't think Congress, I don't think the American people realize, they think that the Biden administration removed that COVID-19 vaccine requirement, but they didn't. They lifted it almost everywhere else, but these, illegal immigrants who are coming into the United States, and you could say, well, why would they do that? What benefit would that be for the Biden administration to not allow illegal immigrants to be required to have the vaccine, but they're mandating it on the legal immigrants who are coming here and going through the process that no one else is doing. They could just run through the southern border and get in like all the other illegal immigrants, but they're going through it the right way.And they're being required to do the vaccine. Well, what benefit is that?Well, I would say because those legal immigrants go through a process where they have to know the constitution, they have to know American history, they have to know the Pledge of Allegiance.They want to be here. They understand what freedom is. They understand what America means.And they're doing this and it takes years and years in a very long process to get through, and they go through it and they appreciate America, probably will vote Republican.So you have legal immigrants who probably will be voting Republican, and they're required to get the vaccine, where the illegal immigrants, probably majority will vote Democrat. And I think that is ultimately why you're seeing this administration completely do treasonous acts and policy. I would say completely treasonous not obeying the law not abiding by the Constitution with their immigration policies, so it's an issue. That's not being highlighted I'm very grateful that you wrote that article Peter and I think a lot of people are not aware of that and it's an issue That we really need to drive to the forefront especially heading into the 2024 elections I think Republicans really need to take on the issue and really say this is about illegal immigration and legal immigration.
Legal immigration and illegal immigration. That's what it is.And there's legal ways to come into the United States. You can go through the ports of entry and you can go through the process and get your green card.And that's the way that we need to be doing it. And we need to shut down any illegal ways to come into the United States.
It's weird looking at it as a European, as a Brit.And we have absolutely failed in our integration via immigration across Europe.And we've seen the riots in France, which show that we have segregation and not any integration.And America's kind of prided itself on that integration of people coming from all over, under one flag, under one constitution, under one belief system, and then coming together as Americans.And we have never really had that in Europe.We have allowed separate communities to exist side by side as ghettos.It just goes against the whole American dream, really.Yeah, absolutely it does. And I know, like, let's look at France right now, what has just recently happened in France, and look at their immigration policies and what it's done to that country.You know, like, we have to have legal means to come into the United States, but we also have to protect our borders. And I think Europe is a perfect example. I did, when I was doing my master's degree at Regent University, I spent time over at Oxford University, and one of our classes was really studying the European immigration models and looking down each country and the different countries and their different policies. And the concept that we were really looking into is, are the immigrants assimilating into European cultures or are they integrating? And that's the key question. Are they assimilating? Are they adapting to the culture, the constitution? Are they abiding by the constitution? Are they becoming American? That's what, when you used to to come to the United States, it was you become American, right?You become that culture. You have to abide by that constitution.And we're not seeing that.And it was really interesting back in 2007 when I spent that time at Oxford University studying the integration versus assimilation of immigrants in Europe and seeing now where that trajectory has gone and the problems that you have in England, the problems that France is facing.Look at all the immigrants that are coming over in Italy just recently as well.And a lot of them, I think, are not Italian-looking people, if you've seen the videos.They're chanting Allah Akbar when they're coming off those boats, and if you've seen the videos.So it's a threat that we need to do.It's for your own countries. They have to be able to have a system, an immigration system, where you are assimilating into that country. And that's why, like, when you have legal immigration in the United States, you have to study the constitution.You have to pledge allegiance to the United States of America.You understand the country that you're coming into and you're saying, I am going to live under this constitution, right?You're gonna contribute to American society. And it's a vast difference between the illegal immigrants who are crossing on the Southern border into the United States and in Europe as well.
So it's a huge issue for 2024. And I think you're seeing the candidates right now in the United States, like President Trump in 2016, that is what he ran on.He ran on the wall. He ran on building a wall.And at that time, a lot of people weren't even focusing on immigration.They were looking at the border as immigration and immigration only, and not through the lens of national security.And I would argue that we need to be looking at the immigration issue, not through legal and illegal immigration, but also it's a national security issue right now.We could have met up 15 years ago then, as you were around the corner in Oxford, but anyway, it's taken 15 more years.The issue of, because this should be a perfect issue for MAGA and Trump, but I separate that from the Republicans, because the Republicans are generally far away from MAGA as an institution, And we've had guests on before talking about Trump, I guess, redefining the Republican Party in his image of putting America first.But that America first policy, I guess is key. And it fits in perfectly with the immigration issue.And I think Trump last time talked a lot about the border, talked a lot about building the wall.But this issue of actually those who go through legally, because those who try and break into your country, those are the last people you want involved.Yet those who go through the process, who do things legally, who study what has to be done as a law-abiding citizen and go through those steps, those are exactly the people you want because you know they will fit into society, they will do what has to be done, they will care for their communities, they will actually care for their neighbours.Those are the people that actually kind of want to fit into that American dream.So this issue of legal immigrants getting a fair treatment is like a red meat issue really to MAGA and Trump. 
Yeah absolutely and I don't think you're seeing the Republicans take hold of that narrative as they should be.That's why your article is very good because you're laying it out.And to be honest, this was a new issue to me too.I just took it for granted that when the Biden administration lifted all of the requirements on the COVID-19 vaccination, I assumed that would include all legal immigrants.And this was something that reading your article, it was new to me to be able to, that I didn't know that that was, that they were withholding green cards for those people that have probably taken years and years to be able to finally get that green card. It takes a lot of work, it takes a lot of time, and the process is not easy to get that green card. And when they finally can get it, now they're saying, the Biden administration is now saying you either have to get that COVID-19 vaccination or you don't get your green card.So, that's a big issue. It's a big issue for Republicans to take hold of that and to say that we should have to make these legal immigrants who have done the right thing by going through the legal process, it makes them a very small number, percentage of those who are coming illegally into the United States, you know, when they had the chance to come illegally with everybody else, but they're doing it the right way and they should be honoured and they should be to be able to get that green card 100% without any requirement to get that COVID-19 vaccine, especially when we're seeing all of the negative effects from the COVID-19 vaccine.I've seen people in my family, my loved ones, my relatives, who after the COVID vaccine, we lost them.And so if that was a situation where I had a loved one that had to choose between getting a green card and getting the vaccine, you can't make that decision.There's no way that you could force me, myself, to get that COVID-19 vaccine, just because of the health risk of that.So that is something I don't think Republicans understand. I don't think people realize that that is going on.So your piece was really good, Peter, to really highlight it because I think a lot of times just bringing things into transparency, when you shine a light on issues, it does so much more because then people understand what is going on.And I think this is an issue they were trying to just hide under the rug because they made it look like that it was lifted and it's not. 
Well I pay credit to my ghost-writer but if I can ask how does that fit in with the with the Republicans, possibly RINO, you can touch on that, but having partial control of Capitol Hill. I'm assuming that immigration issues lie solidly with the White House.But please correct me. So what is the situation, how much noise and, well less noise, but how much movement can actual Republicans on Capitol Hill make on this issue of a fair treatment for legals as opposed to illegals? 
I think Congress, you know, we have the three different branches of government, but our legislative branch is the most powerful branch because it's closest to the people, right? And it holds the power of the purse. And our founding fathers created a legislative branch that way to be the most influential and powerful because it is closest to the people. And that's why it does hold the power of the purse. And when you have the power of the purse, you can leverage that, and you can do a lot of, you have a lot of influence. For a perfect example, even when I was over at USAID, when we wanted to be able to cut some of the programs that were not benefiting any kind of American interest in any way.You know, we had to go, we got calls from the Senate, we got calls from the Congress, even though it was under a Republican Trump administration, Congress still had leverage, the Senate still had leverage, so I think even with immigration, even though it would be, we have Biden in the White House, there's a lot that Congress can do, I think for one thing, bring transparency to the issue, hold a hearing on it, hold a congressional hearing it, look into it, Look at all the identify all the cases right now where green cards for legal immigrants are being held up because of the vaccine requirement. That's something that Congress can definitely do. You can, have a subcommittee look into it immediately starting today to start making phone calls and start tracking all of the legal immigrants who are coming into the United States who are being required to get vaccines if they're being held up from their green cards. That is something they can do right now. That's a debate that's going on right now with the defence authorization bill.Congress is saying that you can't do a lot of the things that the Pentagon wants to do, but they're holding it up. So they have a lot of leverage right now. There's a lot of that's what's going on with the Pentagon too, with the vaccine requirements where the Pentagon had fired thousands of servicemen because they didn't get the vaccine. And now they're at a point where where they're pushing back and they're filing lawsuits saying that they were illegally, unconstitutionally let go from the military and they want to serve again.So that debate right now with their vaccine requirements is going on right now.So this is a great, just another example of the Biden administration overstepping their boundaries and overstepping what they can constitutionally do, which you've seen them do over and over.Every single day they're breaking the constitution, every single day they're breaking the law, but hold them accountable and push back and say, no, you can't do that.You don't have, you cannot require the COVID-19 vaccine for the legal immigrants.I think that is something they definitely can do.You mentioned fentanyl. Let me, I want to ask you about the the drug issue, a little bit off topic, but I was, I've never seen drug abuse as visible until I went to the U.S. last year, and that was predominantly in L.A., where sadly I don't think I'd ever want to go again on the west coast.And just people out of it, wandering through the streets, zombie-like status, people lying all over the pavements, needles everywhere.I've literally never seen anything like that in all my travels on nearly every European country many times.Tell us about this fentanyl issue because it does seem to be completely out of control. And we've had, maybe in the last year, we've had UK media doing large reports, large stories, not only in newspapers but on TV, actually reporting the literally out of control situation of drug abuse in the US.Is that a fair assessment, kind of, what are your thoughts as an American to the current situation.Yeah, I think you're seeing the impact, and you're seeing it every single area.You're hearing it from people who have lost loved ones.It's becoming way too common where somebody's son, daughter, mother, father, brother, sister was killed by fentanyl, from fentanyl, and it's happening too often, and it's too close to home for most Americans.And you see it, even like I was saying. You're seeing the crime and the impact of the illegal immigration policies under the Biden administration in your local community.But a lot of that, like I've seen a change in my area where I live in Florida.I've seen a change just from last summer.We're seeing a lot of people on the streets that are on, you know, there are on drugs, they are hunched over and you can tell that and they are, you know, they're homeless, they're on drugs. You're seeing that and it's impacting people no matter where you live.
Doesn't matter if you live in the most elite neighbourhood your area will be impacted by the increase of fentanyl in the United States and it's the largest number of death, more people die from fentanyl than any other thing between 18, and 34 years old in the United States I think it's around 34, 40 years and younger but that's the largest the cause of death for Americans in the United States. So it has to get, we have to be able to address it and I think there's a lot more that can be done, Ultimately, I know you had Jaeson Jones on here. He's the number one expert on the cartels on the southern border.You can't get anyone better than Jaeson Jones. But he talks a lot about the cartels and that's where you have to really be able to go after the cartels. Designate them as a foreign terrorist organization and get to the core underlining cause of what is allowing all this fentanyl to come into the United States and go after it and basically you know cut the snake's head off and that's where you're gonna see, be able to really address the fentanyl issue, but it has to be addressed.You never know who's going to be impacted, your closest friends.I know people close to me who lost a loved one because of fentanyl, and it is a big issue.And I'm surprised to hear that you saw that the most when you came to the United States.And that says a lot.And why is that? Is that a mixture of, you've got open borders, completely open borders, even in so-called Republican states. You have, I guess, lax punishments, and you have a number of states legalising drugs higher and higher level. I guess you've got lack of church involvement, and both of us are strong Christians, and the church really should be taking a role in some of these issues which damage society and they're not. Or is it just simply politicians engaged in other things, busy with more pressing issues for them than this? How has it slipped in to American society?Well, I think, number one, open borders. I mean, our borders are completely open. We have no operational control at the borders. It's basically run by the cartels. Operational control is by the cartels. So we definitely have to get control of our borders. That is number one.But number two, I'm glad you hit on, Peter, the role of the church, especially in American society, right? We have basically self-rule government, where we want a limited government that stays within their jurisdictions. And I'm always, as the American way, government's not going to solve your problems. Government needs to get out of the way. Government needs to be able to create kind of like a sidewalk. They need to be able to create space so that people can live freely and just protect that space. And so that's where like the role of the church comes in.You can never change. Government can't change people's hearts. Government is not going to be the solution for America. God is going to be the solution for America because only God can change the hearts of the American people. And that's what the founders believed.And that's why they created our system of government that way, is that the government is meant to protect the church, right? So that we can have that freedom of religion, and government will protect our freedom of worship. Wherever religion we choose, government is to protect that. That is a right that Americans have in the United States, and that government cannot interfere in that. And so that's where the role of the church does need to step in. Government can't fix it. Yes, we do need to secure our borders, absolutely. But on the other hand, exactly what you said, the church needs to step in, absolutely needs to step in, and we need to be able to have, if you look at our statistics for those that go to church and believe in God, it's sad, and we're seeing a decline in the United States of that.But I also believe that we're on the greatest verge of a revival as well.I really do think that as well, and that's what ultimately is going to solve the fentanyl problem.We can only do what we can do policy-wise, but ultimately God has to change our hearts too.Government is meant to create the situation so that we have the ability to be able to make those changes, the ability to be able to do what we can do and not interfere in that. So we do definitely need to have the Church step up into helping with programs for fentanyl and just getting to know God, getting to know the Lord, having a personal relationship with Him that's gonna transform your heart. 
100% nothing beats a personal relationship with Jesus.That changes a lot. 
No, absolutely. 
Tera, can I just ask you personally, you've had, we've touched on, immigration, we've touched on the drugs issue and you, I guess, as someone who has been in Congress, served with a Congressman, your time in the White House, then you've also had in media with, certainly in the Breitbart days and more recently with Real America Voice. So you've got a perspective from the policy side but also from the media side. How do you with those two hats, how do you look at what's happening and what are the issues which you, as an American personally are most concerned about.
I think that's really key points because those are the two key, It's policy and the media drives policy, And I really saw that as I mentioned earlier in the show Peter, the reason I even got into journalism was because I was on the ground in Egypt, during the counter revolution in 2013 when you had 30 million Egyptians go to the streets.to remove the Muslim Brotherhood from government and CNN covered the Muslim Brotherhood, the terrorists who were tied to Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations who were committing violence on the street.It was very similar to what happened with BLM here in the United States back in 2020 when you had CNN and you had mainstream media standing in front of burning buildings saying, You know, here's a BLM, you know, protest, but it's mostly peaceful when you had the building burning behind you.Well, that's what I saw when I was on the ground over in the Middle East during the Arab Spring.The mainstream media was completely lying and driving a false narrative.And that false narrative was impacting our policy.That's what the Pentagon watched. That's what members of Congress watched.That's what impacted the Obama administration. Then when they came out and they were going to cut aid to Egypt for removing a terrorist organization who was in power, who was terrorizing and destroying Egypt.And so I saw the impact that media has on our policy. So when I was coming from a policy field heading, you know, I had worked in Congress, I had been on the presidential campaign with Michelle Bachmann during the 2012 presidential election, and coming from that field I saw how much media matters. When you give a false narrative, that is what they use to make their policy. And another perfect example that I went through that same way where they use the media to impact their policy was the Mueller investigation. I worked in the White House. I came in the first day of day one. I worked at the National Security Council. And I remember watching, I was in my office and I remember watching CNN and they said they were launching the special counsel, the Mueller investigation, the special counsel on President Trump and his ties to Russia.And I remember thinking, you know, that Russia, like, you know, obviously that's not gonna have anything to do with me. There's no impact there." Well, I was wrong because the Mueller investigation actually, it really impacted anyone who served on the campaign, anyone who went into the transition team. And when we look back at that, how did the Mueller investigation start? The Mueller investigation started because they were leaking false narratives, false articles in the media.And then what happened? Well, the FBI was the one leaking those articles and then they launched an investigation using those articles. So what's happened today in our culture and Europe and England, all over CNN International, all mainstream media, and you have it just as bad as we have it.And thank you for doing what you do because you're a voice of truth against the mainstream media who's just projecting a false narrative, but that false narrative is actually a political arm of the Democratic Party.That's what's happening. The media has turned into the political arm of the Democratic Party.So they create a narrative, or they follow with a narrative.And so I really was able to see the impact that the mainstream media has on our policy.
When I went overseas during the Arab Spring under the Obama administration, I was on the ground in Egypt when you had 30 million Egyptians come out to the streets to call for early elections against the Muslim Brotherhood regime and the Morsi regime, who were tied to Al-Qaeda, who were committing terrorist acts, who were persecuting Christians, who were making women wear the hijab and cut their hair and the Egyptians said we've had enough and well what I saw was CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, all reported completely on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood and they ignored the 30 million Egyptians who were in a line, who stood with American values, like they wanted to have freedom, they wanted to remove a terrorist organizations who we were still at war with, America was still at war with in Afghanistan and Iraq, we were still losing American troops to Al Qaeda-linked terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet the media was portraying it that it was a military coup, that was not the truth, and that impacted our policy, where then the Biden administration wanted to cut aid to Egypt.That was what was happening, and I saw it on the ground, and I thought that's when I started writing. That's when I started speaking out because I saw the impact that the media has and nobody else was on the ground. No journalists were there. I was the only journalist basically pushing back that was on the ground with real footage with the truth to say this isn't what's happening, this isn't the truth and that's going to impact our policy. And that's what really began my journey where I went from all these different Arab Spring countries to be able to really get on the ground and to be able to really see first-hand what was happening because I saw how important it was because I came from the policy field and I saw that they were watching CNN at the Pentagon, they were watching Al Jazeera at the Pentagon, and that was impacting their policy. And so what I did then after that, because I saw how much it matters for people to see first-hand and get the truth, we had delegations. We sponsored delegation after delegation after delegation that included members of the mainstream media, that included former generals, people that had a voice that they could see for themselves.You see it yourself, and then you go back and you say what you saw.But don't listen to The New York Times, don't listen to The Washington Post.You see it first-hand, because this is going to impact America's national security for, a very long time. And that was prior to the ISIS taking over in the ISIS caliphate that was prior to that the Islamic caliphate that happened in Iraq and Syria. So just imagine if what had happened, if people didn't push back from the Arab Spring. You would have had Egypt fall to the Islamist. You would have had Libya fall. You would have had Syria fall. Tunisia would have fallen So just think of how different that policy would have been had the mainstream media had their way, had the Obama administration had their way. But the point is, is that I've seen it first-hand, the impact, and when I worked for President Trump on the Trump campaign, then following that, my time on the ground with the Arab Spring, I saw the same actors coming against President Trump, and that was before fake news was fake news. So I was calling out fake news before any, before other people were labelling it fake news, and I saw how the New York Times would write about Trump.And I saw how Washington Post would write about Trump and CNN, and that was all new. Like at that time, people didn't quite realize how the media had really turned in to a political arm of the Democratic Party, right? It was, we didn't really tie that together, that it was so strong, because that really happened, I think, under the Obama administration, is when you just had this complete turnover to the Democratic Party. They just used the Democratic Party's talking points. You know, there's really no freedom or liberty within the mainstream media anymore. They basically just go off their political talking points. I think the DNC might just email them their talking points of the day and that's what they use because they all have the same points on every single show. And so that's where I saw like when when the same people were coming after Trump I thought yes he's the right guy, he's the right candidate, and this is the person that I want to support. And then we saw just how fake news completely into the Trump administration, I dealt with it over and over again, the fake news and just how they are, they're so, they're so manipulating the American public.But thank you for doing what you do because you are a voice of truth.And I'm sure that's a similar story with the need for having real, true media. It matters.
Oh, it does, and we lack it. The US, I think over there, stateside, you've got much more established alternative media sources. We are still playing catch-up massively.But just to finish off, can I just ask you again on that international side, on that. You've got a grasp of geopolitics of the international side, and we may in the UK mock the Americans for never venturing beyond the borders of the US, not having passports, all of that. And yet, being the world's policeman, although we may mock it, I think in Europe, Europe relies on America being a strong voice of reason because the EU don't have the ability, don't have the capability, don't have the money, don't have the organizational ability, everything. They just don't have it. So the EU, Europe as a whole and the UK look to America for buying that stability and God forbid we have China take that role which looks like what is going to happen and watching the Afghanistan debacle, you kind of shake your head. Where does it leave the U.S. at the moment for being that voice of reason, that moral framework, that world's policeman in effect throughout the world?
Well I think Afghanistan is a perfect example right now. I spent time in Afghanistan, I spent time out with the Marines in Helmand province. I've seen, I've have been at the bedside of our troops that have come back into the hospitals.So I've been there, I've seen it. And to see what happened in Afghanistan under this administration is completely treasonous.There was no reason that we needed to abruptly depart Afghanistan the way that we did.No, we should have kept Bagram. I think we basically gave Bagram over an airfield right to China.And it was a very strategic location, Bagram. It's by China.By Iran, it's by Afghanistan. It was a very strategic location for us to have that airfield.And that is something I know that under a Trump administration, that's the difference that you see between these administrations. So the Biden administration completely, that was, it was it was treasonous in my opinion to leave it after all the investment that the United States has done over 20 years and we basically handed it over to China, Russia and Iran. That's where we're seeing it and I think what's happening though is you really have a continuation of the Obama presidency right now in the Biden presidency. So they're continuing and this is according to Obama's own words when President Biden took office in a New York Times article, President Obama said that 90% of the people working for Biden are from his staff, are from his administration, and they're just continuing the policies from the Obama administration.And what you saw under the Obama administration was really a policy of leading from behind.We were showing weakness. We were emboldening our enemies and alienating our allies.And it was like that was the foreign policy that we saw under the Obama administration.And it's the same policies that are being under the Biden administration.And it's not a good time for America when we look at, I mean, it's a hopeful time because I think we're looking at 2024, we have the Republicans in Congress.I think we're seeing, there's a lot of hope. I think we have more religious freedom than we've ever had with some of these Supreme Court cases.Like we have a lot of amazing things happening in our country, but we have a lot of dangerous things as well, especially that's coming in from our southern border.And when you have a weak administration and you're portraying a sense of weakness, look at what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine.That happened immediately when the Biden administration took power.That never would have happened if the Biden administration didn't pull out of Afghanistan and portray a sense of weakness. That's what happened.
They showed weakness. Russia took advantage of it and went into Ukraine.And now what are we looking at? We're probably looking at China invading Taiwan.And the next threat that we're going to look at, I believe, is China going to invade Taiwan.And that's going to critically impact the United States at home, it's gonna impact Europe, it's gonna impact the world.But I think that's the threat that we're facing right now, and we're looking at the threat coming in from the southern border.We've seen a 900% increase in Chinese nationals coming through the southern border.That's almost 10,000 Chinese nationals, and a majority of those, out of those almost 10,000, 8,200 of them are Chinese military-aged men.Coming through our southern border just in the last fiscal year.So that's about the last seven months where we used to see very low numbers.We used to be like around, I think, believe years prior, 100, 200, and now we're seeing almost 10,000 in this fiscal year already.And so the threat from China at our southern border is as a big... Cuba, let's look at Cuba, they're building a spy base right now in Cuba, 80 miles away from Florida, where I live right now.So we're seeing this emboldening China right now, and I just don't think that if you don't have a strong defence like Ronald Reagan, right, peace through strength, build a strong military so that you deter your adversaries.And that's not what we're doing, that's not what we're prioritizing.And so when I think when we look at Ukraine right now, you really have China wanting us to be involved in Ukraine because they're going through our supplies or using our resources so that when they can take our eye off the ball of them and focus on Ukraine, and then they'll have an opportunity to invade Taiwan.But it's all because the administration is portraying this sense of weakness.And you can't do that. America is the number one strongest nation in the world, and we cannot portray weakness because when we do, it impacts everybody.And that's where I think you're seeing these other allies, especially our Arab allies, are starting to look under the Obama administration, when we really abandoned them, we abandoned them and they're looking at China and they're looking at Russia.And so we're pushing our allies towards our enemies and that policy is just a trajectory in the wrong direction.And so I'm just really hoping for 2024 and really hoping that we have a new administration to steer us in the right direction.100% and I got my Trump hat behind me so I've nailed my colours to the mast.Not that it matters, I'm not an American, so I don't have a right to vote.Tera, it's been wonderful having you on. I really appreciate your insights on all of these issues.And I've enjoyed watching you on Frank Gaffney, on War Room with Steve Bannon.Are you going to be on our screens more often then?
Well, let's see, I'm not sure. 
I hope so. Tera, thank you so much for being with us today.
Thank you, Peter. God bless you.
 

The Week According To . . . Karli Bonne’

Saturday Night Live and this episode we head back across the pond to welcome back, by public demand, the totally awesome Karli Bonne'.Karli runs arguably the No 1 MAGA and current affairs social media account on the web, so this is a lady with her finger firmly on the pulse of what's happening now.So who better than 'The Cackling Conservative' to talk through what has piqued our interest in the news, in articles and from her social media posts over the past seven days?So buckle up 'Midnight Riders' as Karli is sure to have the snowflakes scurrying to their safe spaces.Topics in the cross-hairs this episode...- Stop the green card jab mandates: It’s time for Republicans to champion the rights of legal law-abiding immigrants.- Zelensky mocks request for gratitude towards Western taxpayers.- Leftist Judge rules that citizens are not allowed to examine voting machine tabulators without a court order, – opening the door for lawsuits against Pro-Trump researchers.- MAGA 2024: Trump holds 37 point lead for the Republican nomination. - 'I'm not a number 2 guy': Ron DeSantis says he won't be Donald Trump's running mate if he doesn't win GOP nomination.- The power of Tucker Carlson.- Pence: America is not his concern.- US military runs low on ammunition and plans on sending cluster bombs to Ukraine.... which are banned in 120 countries.- ‘Sound of Freedom’ movie flying high to rave reviews.
Karli Bonne' is a retired model, dancer and a Rockstar wanna be.Now she is a full blown MAGA maniac video clipper with three phones, continuously laughing at the establishment because it’s like holy water on a demon, and these demons must be eradicated.
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Originally broadcast live 15.7.23
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