Hearts of Oak Podcast

Karen Siegemund - Unpacking CPAC

I had a great time at CPAC and made lots of new acquaintances while catching up with many old friends too, including our guest this episode. Karen Siegemund is the President of American Freedom Alliance and I had the privilege of meeting her at the 'AFA Propaganda conference' in LA last year. Karen has been a regular face at CPAC where this was my first time, so she joins us live to compare notes and to give her thoughts on this years 'Conservative Political Action Conference' which was held in Washington DC. It was a packed 4 days attended by all the nations top conservative faces, featuring special guests such as Senator Marsha Blackburn, Congressman Matt Gaetz, Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lt. Governor Mark Robinson with the memorable event concluding with a 90 minute key note speech by the man himself, President Donald J Trump.As the daughter of a man who grew up in Hitler’s Berlin, Dr Karen Siegemund has always been keenly aware of how precarious freedom is, and how tyranny typically begins not with a revolution, but with a slow erosion of rights and freedoms. For this reason, Karen has dedicated her life to fighting against this erosion on every level.During the Cold War, Dr. Siegemund worked in the field of underwater acoustics, developing new sonar systems and testing them during sea trials around the world.After the defeat of the Soviet Union she turned her sights first to earning a Master’s Degree in International Relations, then a doctorate degree in “Education and American Culture.” Recognizing that only with an educated citizenry could we hope to maintain our freedoms, she became an educator; for over ten years she has taught in a number of areas, from Latin and French to Science and Mathematics, at the middle school, high school and University levels. Along with these specific academic disciplines, of course, she strives to educate her students about the values that make Western Civilization generally, and America specifically, as exceptional as we are.As another result of the recognition that totalitarianism creeps in with baby steps, and that our media has been complicit in its advance rather than the bulwark against it that it us supposed to be, Karen had founded and was president of “Rage Against the Media,” an activist group in Los Angeles which fought against the propagandistic nature of our news media.Since becoming the President of the American Freedom Alliance, she’s been part of the fight against a longer list of encroachments on our freedom, and has been hosting exceptional events ranging from World-Class Conferences to Literary Cafes, Lectures to Movie Premieres, all on topics relating to Freedom, how it’s being attacked and how we can preserve it.She has also paid a price for the position she takes in defense of Western Civilization and for her political activity outside the classroom. Karen became a victim of the very “cancel culture” she warned about when her teaching position at a local private school was not renewed. Among countless articles, the Epoch Times ran a feature article about her, and she was a guest on The Huckabee Show, a frequent speaker at clubs, organizations and events, and is published in a wide range of publications.The American Freedom Alliance is a non-partisan, non-profit organization which promotes, defends and upholds Western values and ideals. AFA sponsors conferences, publishes opinions, distributes information and creates networking groups to identify threats to Western civilization and to motivate, educate and unite citizens in support of that cause.American Freedom Alliance linksWebsite https://americanfreedomalliance.org/YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_mKQpt648ouOD7SuotFhSAGETTR https://gettr.com/user/americanfreedomallianceFacebook https://www.facebook.com/AmericanFreedomAlliance/Twitter https://twitter.com/AFAllianceVimeo https://vimeo.com/afaBroadcast live 13.3.23
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[0:22] Karen Siegemund, thank you so much for coming on slightly earlier today. Thank you.My pleasure. Delighted to be with you, Peter.
 
Karen and I had a good catch up, having only met in June for the first time at the American Freedom Alliance Conference Propaganda over in LA, where she had great speakers like Naomi Wolf, James O'Keefe, and many others, Alex Newman, James Wood, Elizabeth Sabaditsch-Wolf, and it goes on and on. She has so many conferences with some of the greatest guests, So I was absolutely overjoyed to catch up with her over the East Coast this time.East Coast is much closer for me, Karen.
Yes. Yeah, it's funny, either coast. It's always great to see you.And there's always great stuff going on one way or the other.[1:10] Absolutely. Now, we're just want to unpack CPAC. Obviously, we've both been there just a week or so ago.It has been a whole week since we saw each other, Karen. Time flies.
Yeah, I don't know how the time flies, yes.
So the AmericanFreedomAlliance.org is there on the screen. I encourage you to go have a look at it, have a look at the conferences they've had.Everything is available there on the website.Now, CPAC, it was my first time at CPAC. I don't think I dreamt about going, but I dreamed about going many times.Got that bad, which we have a feedback. But Karen has been, what, four times you told me before we went live, Karen.
Yes, this was my fourth.[2:01] So where, this was in DC. Where was it other years you've been or has always been in DC for you?
For me, I've only ever gone to the ones in DC. It's the nation's capital, seems to me that's where it's supposed to be. And of course, during COVID, they moved around as one does and did. You try to find pockets of freedom here and there, Texas, Florida, obviously.I think they had others internationally also, but to me, CPAC isn't CPAC unless you're in the, capital of the United States. Much as it's a swamp and we talk about all of that, but there's still people working very hard in the right direction, in the correct direction towards freedom, towards re-establishing a constitutional republic. So it's nice to be in the nation's capital and give them support and meet with them, there who are living right in the heart of it all and still doing the really awful, disgusting work that needs to be done.So I love it that it's in D.C. and I love the Gaylord.I think it's a tremendous venue.[3:05] It was, it was a wonderful venue and your drinks reception was also a wonderful event in the middle of that.But tell us for, I guess for those watching in the UK, we probably have 60% UK, 30% US, maybe around that split.I mean, tell us what kind of CPAC is about, because people in the UK, they think of political conferences and they're not really the most exciting or intriguing.And they're fairly dull and plodding along. CPAC is a little bit different. So let's start with CPAC, maybe the first time you went, what it was like?
 
Yeah, you know, it's funny when you think about conferences, generally conventions, you think that it's going to be a little bit stodgy and wonky and you know, all the political in the know people. But while there are political in the know people, It really is more like one little rally after another, culminating of course this time and the last time I had gone too with President Trump.But there's just tremendous energy. It's really, it's the who's who of political activism[4:15] and excitement and energy.The first time, maybe it's not the first time I mixed them all up, but I've seen Newt Gingrich, I've seen Sarah Palin.I had seen Donald Trump before. I'd seen Mitt Romney back when we really mourned,we still mourn that he lost, obviously, while we know a little bit more about him than we did at that time.That was a very painful thing. But it's really, if you are involved in the political scene in the U.S. at all, and that includes activism as well as politics, it really is the place to go.Because there's there's I would say three main aspects to the whole thing.One is the main stage in the main ballroom where the speakers are.And sometimes those are panels and sometimes it's more serious than others.But it's always got this high energy rally sense.Then downstairs is[5:09] where if you work in this arena, you can sponsor a booth, a table, you can make people aware of what you do, you can sell books, you can show videos, you can hand out t-shirts and stuff.So you increase your visibility, build up your mailing list, and that was always very exciting too. Then I would add there's media row, which is really where much of the activity actually happens. There's radio stations, there's TV stations, there's networks. And in the past, we had had Fox News, we had had Breitbart, we had had Town Hall as major sponsors of all of this.[5:51] There were more big names and also small names. If you're local and you just have a show you want to promote, you'd be there.This time, I still would contend that Radio Row was the place to be.It's where most of the action was, most of the energy was. There were smaller podcasters and so on as before, but not Breitbart, not Town Hall, not Fox.One of the more interesting ones was the new state of China Republic.I will get the letters all messed up, but the organization that's really trying to restore China to have legitimate rule that's not by the Chinese Communist Party.But then the biggest, the loudest voice at CPAC, the most energizing, engaging, really the hub of all the energy and action was Bannon's War Room that was set up.Luckily at the far end, if he hadn't been at the far end, nobody would have been able to get through.And that's, that honestly, I don't know if you felt the same way, but that to me was the hub of all the energy.[7:02] I agree. Let me just before I get on there, it was the NFSC, New Federal State of China, and they had a fantastic stage set up there in Media Row, interviewing a lot of people, and it's interesting that pushback against the CCP, which obviously Bannon will be doing that regularly as well. But you're right, it was sometimes you couldn't get up and down that that corridor because everyone wanted to see Mr. Stephen K. Bannon.And certainly so much energy, what he brings. And the thing that struck me most about Bannon was that he would do a two hour show, and then he would give maybe an hour and a half of actually talking to people, greeting them. And I think it was that connection which probably made it for a lot of people.They come as just a delegate to sit and listen, and they get to shake hands with Steve Bannon and chat to him, get their picture.[8:03] It was really gigantic. And there were people, because I walked by there, we all walked by there, and you would see the same people day after day after day, and his energy level was consistently high.Their adoration level was also consistently high, and that he gave his all to such an extent.And then as you say, that another hour and a half or two hours, he would shake hands, take photographs and actually have conversations as long as there were people who wanted to.And I heard over and over again, I don't know how I would have gotten through any of this without you.You are my source of optimism, of hope, of truth, of just everything.He's their touchstone.And it's quite remarkable that not only does he do this and of course, not all the information comes from him, but that he gives so many people a platform for their work, truth seeking, freedom seeking, and then that he gives of himself.It was really a startling thing because you expect kind of the energy to be in the ballroom area, the main speakers and so on, and that media row is gonna be media row, but that there was this,[9:23] the real epicenter was at War Room and quite remarkable. I also saw him on the main stage in the ballroom, same thing, tremendous energy there.Nigel Farage, of course, I also saw, just absolutely outstanding, very different.I also saw Kari Lake, a dynamic speaker, tremendous energy and various other speakers.But I think we go to CPAC to hear these great names, to see for our own eyes, instead of having the media sort of in the way, to capture the energy, to get a sense of what the conservative movement is like in the United States.Are we on our last gasp?Are we desperate?Are we despairing?[10:15] And I would have to say the answer to all that is absolutely not.The energy at CPAC was tremendous. Are we united in our thinking?No, so what? Nor should we be, we ought not be monolithic. We are independent thinkers and with independent thinkers, you get diversity of thought and of opinion as it should be.But I think overall, the optimism was high, even while recognizing what our major hurdles are.
Oh, completely. Karen, you're looking like you're enjoying the beautiful sunlight there.It looks like a gorgeous day where you are.Yeah, it's kind of astounding where I am. I am a little bit outside of Las Vegas.AFA, we just had an event in Las Vegas last night, in large part for our Angelenos who fled to Las Vegas.So they had wanted me to do an event there and I did, and it's always interesting seeing how refugees live and they have it pretty good, I must say.[11:27] But before getting the conservative mood, I mean, obviously you are extremely well-connected and it must be interesting to go to these events and of course, connect with many speakers.I mean, I know Bannon spoke in a previous event.I know he'll speak at future events and to see many of those people and you realize you're not to belittle or use a incorrect term,[11:53] but it is kind of family.You're there with people, like-minded people, you're connected with.And what's that like for you, knowing so many of those people, going to so many conferences, coming to an event like CPAC?
Well, it really is. It is like old home week. And I hadn't been in a while.And while I am deep in the conservative community,In Los Angeles, and conservative community and Republican community, I'm also an officer on the executive board of the Los Angeles County Republican Party, going to CPAC, every time I turn around, I'm with someone I know and or and or who knows me. And the warm embrace, I would say, of the of conservatives. That's another, that's certainly another reason to go. I hadn't really considered that when I decided to go. But being there, yes, we are the choir, but the, choir needs to be supported as well, because some of us do return to pretty hostile territory.And to know that we're not alone is such an important thing. And CPAC provides that, but I think also AFA and our conferences, which we'll talk about, that is in large part why we do those as well.We are not alone. And while we feel it's an uphill battle and we feel isolated, and of course, they do their best to isolate us.[13:21] Being among our family, really, and that you coming from the UK and Elizabeth coming from Austria and Nigel also from the UK, and we had others from Austria, others from Germany, from Sweden, from throughout Europe.[13:43] Is it politically expedient for them? I don't know, but I think it must be very warming and heartening for them, for you to see that we haven't rolled over here in the US and we are fighting and we're fighting as best we can.And we wanna reach out to you also and you're reaching out to us.The left is fighting globally.We have to fight globally as well.And I think it's just, you know, we talk about family. I have more love from the family that I met at CPAC than, you know, my literal family. And it's...
Well, I think that's probably true for lots of people.
 
And I'm not alone in that.
Yeah. Could I, obviously, the conservative movement, well, first, can I say, and blame Karen for me going there, it was Elizabeth Sabbaditsch-Wolf who first put the thought in my head, and then it was a 45 minute call with Karen that sealed the deal and persuaded me to come.So can I publicly thank you, Karen, for actually getting me there, because if it wasn't for that phone call, I would have missed it, so thank you.
You're very welcome, and I'm glad to have been part of your coming out, and I hope it's the first of many, because, I mean, you see who we are and what we are and what we do and the passion.There's such passion and such concern,[15:06] such global concern for the state of the world. And I would contend that any leftist such organization would not have, or event, would not have that deep love and caring that we have.I would contend that there would be more, and maybe we should do more of it too, conniving.And I don't know, I don't think they're driven by the same things we're driven by.
Oh, absolutely. Can I, the kind of stepping back while the conference ended with Trump, speaking President Trump and never having had that privilege and it was great to see such a giant in the conservative movement, in the Republican movement, worldwide, really, not just in the US and always good to be with someone who's hated so much by the left, which means he must be doing something right.But that was an hour and a half speech.[16:14] It was, I thought it was kind of two-sided, so it was maybe slightly subdued.And again, I haven't sat in the same room and had a Trump speech, but hit all the notes.And I ended up laughing through lots of it, thinking, oh, only Donald Trump could say that.What were your thoughts on that as an end point to the conference?[16:40] Oh, it was just absolutely spectacular. I have my concerns. I have my issues. I have my scepticisms. I hate to say this, but they all really went out the window. And really, they went out the window because the terrain we're fighting on right now is not normal terrain. It's really vicious.We have Biden, who in how long has just really destroyed the country?Our banking system is imploding, which we knew would happen.We've got we had energy independence. We no longer have it. We have food insecurity.People are just by every metric or this nation is going down the toilet from a very from, unprecedented high that we had under President Trump.And in that I would include strength of minorities, their jobs held and income and so on was tremendous.We had reverted back in large part to law and order.[17:45] Everything was humming along absolutely beautifully. And then it was broken with such deliberate malice and just in every way, the world is less safe.The country is less safe.Ukraine, China, you name it, the world is less safe at the hands ofwhoever's got the puppet strings of Joe Biden, because it's not really him. So the world is a less safe place, but they're playing by extremely ugly rules. And so when I have concerns about Donald Trump, this or that or the other thing, and maybe somebody might be better at reverting to politics as usual, the left is not playing politics as usual. And we can also not play as politics as usual. And there is no one who walks this earth who can say the things that Donald Trump says, who can get the energy that Donald Trump does, who can just stand his ground in the way that Donald Trump does. I had called him this before, not disparagingly at all. He is the alpha of all alphas. And we need an alpha, I believe very strongly in peace through strength, which is why we have war through weakness. We need strength back and nobody, nobody exudes strength like Donald Trump.[19:07] Absolutely. It doesn't matter from where I stand. Although it really didn't matter. None of the rest matters. We need a man like him and he is that man.When I saw him as a teen, he brought down the house. Yes, he was more subdued than at rallies, as he was the other day, more subdued than at rallies.And yet what he radiates is love of country, passion for the people.[19:41] A real horror at what has been done. I think in his first four years, he really didn't get a full handle on the viciousness, even though he was impeached once, he still didn't learn how evil they were.It took the second time for him really to open his eyes.I think coming in his second term, he will hit the ground running doing those things that a lot of us wished he would have done in the first go-around, more draining the swamp, more of being sceptical, of establishment hires and appointments, really bringing in from day one, hour one, minute one, those people who will seek to achieve the agenda that he has voiced, which is, you know, in shorthand, MAGA.It's the MAGA agenda, make America great again, that's it.As you may know, I've been saying over the last few years, we need to make America, America again.We have come so far from our founding principles.[20:45] And I think he willdo that as well. Are there other people who can do the politics better and more sane and maybe in a way that will attract more? I don't care. I just don't care. I don't. We need an alpha. We need a man who doesn't care. It's sort of like Ricky Gervais, you know.He came back for his last go around at the Golden Globes or whatever it was. I don't, care. And I think Donald Trump will be exactly that also. I'm going to do what the people voted for me to do, hired me to do, selected me to do, and the rest, I don't care. And that's exactly what we need right now. Because truly, is Joe Biden acting as if the people as if he cares about the people? And I,[21:32] let me rephrase that Trump not caring about what people, what the other side thinks. He cares deeply about the people. I should have been clear about that. I think Trump cares about the people, our well-being, the state of the nation infinitely more than Joe Biden in the remnants of his brain can do.
I wont even go in to that last point.[22:00] So I mean, yeah, I think Trump goes into this campaign with his eyes wide open and you're You're right. He has learned so much. And one of the things actually, which will stick out with me from his speech was the first five minutes where he didn't say anything.And to actually, it is a level of arrogance, but no showmanship, absolute confidence, knowing you have the room.And just to stand there for five minutes and just observe the crowd as everyone's on their feet cheering.[22:31] You obviously know whenever you go to a podium, you want to go and speak and that's your natural response.But just to take that applause, just, I love that showmanship, that just blew me away.
I do too, I do too. I mean, obviously it's CPAC, obviously it's friendly.He's used to it from rallies, but that really does radiate a kind of confidence.Again, the alpha, I'm here, I know you love me.And I would even go further and say, you love me for the right reasons.And I think that's really important. We do, we believe in make America great again.We believe that the world needs America to be what America has been.We see how people were thriving under his leadership during his four years and how people are suffering.So we knew coming out of Obama that we needed him. And I would contend that[23:31] we know even more so what happens when we walk away from those principles and how,[23:39] really perniciously evil, uncaring the left in this administration has been. East Palestine had just happened. The balloon had just sailed unmolested across our country and others as well.We know the world is a more dangerous place without him. We've learned these lessons.[23:59] And while we imagined that things would get worse, and we knew things would get worse, we have absolute evidence globally of how things have gotten worse.Who can repair it?He's the only guy. And again, it's not politics as usual. And during the course of the hour and a half, he hit on point after point after point after point.We won't allow children to have irreversible surgeries and other kinds of mutilations, I guess, one way or another, chemical or actual mutilations done to them.How can you not think that this is a wonderful thing, the thing that they're doing to children, that he will stop this?Marvellous. We'll get back to actual teaching in schools.[24:47] Energy independence, all of these things that he talked about, peace through strength, keeping our eye on China, not coddling, he was the only president who stood up to China and I think he will make us safer and by making the US safer, one does make the world safer.You need somewhere to turn.
 
I'm curious about people running against him.I heard Ron DeSantis speak at CNP in Miami just a few weeks earlier, absolutely fantastic speech, absolutely brilliant, watch what he's done governor in Florida and very exciting and he does what he says he will do. But he's still[25:33] fairly young and he's still got a lot of time ahead and I'm surprised that he has gone up against Trump and decided to make that a battle. I'm surprised Mike Pompeo is running against Trump and maybe Nikki Haley's different because probably no love lost there. But I'm obviously when was it was it 2016? There were like 17 Republican candidates, I think, initially, and then it got whittled down. And I'm curious to think why anyone would want to put themselves up against Trump, especially if you've got time on your side, and what's the rush?
Yeah, it's a great, it's a great question. It's one of the dividing issues among Republicans and the Republican Party. Does one revert back to politics as usual? Do we get, can we draw in more independence if we're just you know a benign political party as if the left is benign political party. I'm sorry, but that's, you've,[26:31] You're missing something very real if you think the Democrats are some benign political party.Look who they chose to be their minority leader, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.[26:43] I know why some people get in. It's one reason Larry Elder said he was going to run. I don't know if he is or isn't anymore, but because he felt that with that platform of running for that office for President of the United States, he can bring a highlight to issues of black families and so on, so that's great.Mike Pompeo, I don't know, I think he's a great man, not great presidential material.Nikki Haley, anything Nikki Haley did that was good was when she was ambassador to the United Nations, speaking to Donald Trump's policies.So as governor, I didn't particularly like her. Does she have a good story? Yes.Is she an appealing woman candidate? Okay, can we please just move past that?So not a big fan of her.I think she's a big self promoter and has bitten the hand that fed her.Ron DeSantis is really the one candidate and I don't think he's in quite yet.He just spoke here in Las Vegas two nights ago and did two events in Los Angeles.People love him and that's fine and great, I do too.And if you really think that business as usual is the way to go, then he would be your guy.[28:02] But I think if one has been paying, and you and I had this conversation pre CPAC, is he head and shoulders?He's a great speaker, he's very wise, he's very engaged in historical issues and aspects, He's been a fighter for Florida, great governor, great record.[28:24] And I think he's marvellous, marvellous, but I just keep coming back to politics as usual isn't going to cut it. I just don't think it is.As soon as the Democrats back off and do politics as usual, then we can too.But until that point.I don't think so. He is young. One of the issues of Trump, though, is he's in for only four years, right?[28:50] He can't do the full eight. This is his second term.He needs to be very judicious in who he picks as vice president because that person, can then do the eight.Or Ron DeSantis waits the four.I can't think that far ahead. I know I probably should right now.I think 2024 has got to be Trump again.That's all. And Ron DeSantis should stay governor in Florida, be the leader of all governors.He's exactly the example to follow as a Californian.Goodness, what I would trade to have him as our governor.But given 2024, who's the Democrat going to be?And as a Californian, I would contend too that it may well be Gavin Newsom, who's my current governor.So I don't know that pitting two guys, I just don't know. But the guy you need to go against the really evil, vindictive, hateful Democrats is the[29:57] guy who can withstand, I am the storm, I am your retribution, I am your man and I will take the arrows for you.I don't think anybody else can do that.
 
I am your retribution, that was an absolutely beautiful line.I'm going, I'm in the chairs, come on.
 
Yeah, but I was out of my chair so often during that and I'm not a jump to your feet kind of person but I was leaping and,because he does speak for us and he speaks for for everyone whether you're following along or not he's speaking for the guy who can't pay for gas. He's speaking for the,[30:38] he's speaking for all of us whether we are aware of it or not He's speaking for Democrats who are suffering because the political mayhem doesn't just, It's we're all suffering. It's not just Republicans, it's we're all suffering,
 
Let me kind of finish off looking at AFA.And I should have actually, my apologies for downgrading Karen from a doctor to just Karen.He has her PhD and that's a whole other side to that.But AFA, tell us what the, how long have you been president, about five years of AFA?[31:17] 2016, January, 2016, I came in as president. So more than six.We're just past past. I don't want to do that math. It makes me feel very old.
But tell us how AFA kind of fits into that conservative fight across the state because CPAC brought in all different media organisations, different speakers, often on the political side, but others as well. And I mean, let us know how AFA fits into that conservative pushback, fight, education.
Yeah, great question. Yes, we are a non-profit. We are not political.We can't endorse whatever I say about any candidate is Karen's, you know, personal opinion.We are much more ideas and policies and thoughts and trends and threats rather than advancing any particular, political agenda.So as you mentioned, we had a conference on propaganda, which is what you came to, which was marvellous.Because propaganda is the only reason that,[32:24] you know, left versus right. It's all great as long as you have a level playing field, but propaganda is how the left gains primacy in absolutely everything. So we had a conference on propaganda, as you said, we had Naomi Wolf, we had Patrick Wood, we had Alex Newman, James Lindsay, and many, many other amazing speakers, Trevor Loudon, and we culminated with James O'Keefe, the master at uncovering the propaganda, right?Project Veritas.He spoke he was our our keynote. Our last one was globalist puppet masters.So we talked about the globalist organizations that are out there in world economic forum, obviously, at the top of the list, but how these are implemented in our daily, how it affects us on a daily basis.We had Steve Bannon keynote. We also had Ed Dowd, just tremendous. James Lindsay again.[33:22] Just absolutely astounding. Mike Rechtenwald, who just finished a book on the Great Reset.So what we seek to do, the left sees absolutely everything as a political opportunity.Everything.What bathrooms you use. Everything. Plastic straws.[33:44] It's all politics. And we tend to leave politics in the political realm.But as many of us know, it's cultural. It's what happens in the culture.Culture, education, knowledge, knowledge is power, forewarned is forearmed, all of those things sort of inform what we do at AFA.And our next conference coming up in April is World War III, the early years, the contention being, obviously, we are in World War III.It's not a Cold War. It's gone hot.[34:13] The spark has been lit in Ukraine. Who's fighting, they've been fighting against us. Who is they?China, the globalists, the left, and various other entities.So we're aiming to inform on all of those. So again, it's not overtly political.The battles that we are engaged in are cultural. They are political, but we need to understand who our foes are, where the threats are, how to focus on them better.And a lot of that fighting is outside of the political arena.Some of course is in the political arena, but not all of it.And if more people are made aware of the threats that we face, they will be able to make better, much better decisions.I sort of liken it to nutrition facts on food, candy bars or whatever.If we give you the information, you can make better decisions or you can make decisions according to your preference.I don't care what it is, but you need the knowledge. and what we aim to do is give that knowledge.[35:19] I'm looking and people can of course still buy tickets for that.That's what you'll get if you go to Americanfreedomalliance.org.I see Ed Dowd just been confirmed and we had Ed as a guest and phenomenal speaker, great mind, love his book looking at, oh we're on YouTube, so I'll just say I love his book.I'll let you find out what it is.Can't even probably say what his book's called if we're on YouTube, but the whole finance side is really an area which I've enjoyed listening and learning from Ed Dowd.[35:54] Yeah, I mean, his contention about COVID before the book, before his book was when he watched what was happening economically with global finance, he was then looking for what the powers that be were going to use as a deflection from the economic mayhem that they had caused. And then low COVID comes along. So he won't be talking to us about COVID, but about really what we're seeing literally right now with the banking collapse. So we have him, big part of this is China. We have Gordon Chang, Frank Gaffney, Steve Coughlin, Joe, we have Joe Allen who's going to talk to us about AI in warfare.We have Mike Rechtenwald again, his new book. We have Patrick Wood.[36:47] I'm sure I'm missing somebody incredible. Oh, we have General Spalding who's written a lot about Chinese warfare.Colonel John Mills. Bradley Thayer, who's just, I'm sitting here reading his book right now, Understanding the China Threat.So it's going to be in large part about China, in large part about globalists, but also how they have infiltrated the American governance and civic institutions generally.Because without that, none of this would take root.And then it does look like we will have Steve Bannon come speak again, but sssh we don't want the bad guys to be causing us too much trouble too early.But it will be astounding, two days, April 22nd, 23rd in Torrance, just South of LAX.[37:38] A hotel that's been terrific to us. So it really is World War III and it sounds hysterical as so much that we've been saying sounds hysterical that there's a war on Western Civ, war on religion.But I think,any of us who's been paying attention knows that that's real.
I'm so jealous .
 
Well, you know, another 45 minute phone call, Peter, and maybe...
 
Too far this time though, East Coast I can cope with, and my wife can as well. Just to finish off and how does FAA have you? Have you been changing your your focus? Have you started one where and had to change to respond to the threats? How has the seven years changed at all?
 
Yeah, that's a great question. Absolutely, we've pivoted. The threats that Avi Davis, my predecessor and the founder of AFA, the threats that he had identified were still in large part radical environmentalism.[38:45] Islamization, not Islam itself, but Islamization of the West, global governance, education that's indoctrination and media that's propagandizing.So in large part, absolutely, they're the same.And we haven't really left them, but we've, During COVID, we had an initiative, Choose Freedom.We were fighting against mandates.So we were working on that a lot because that was really the number one threat to freedom.As soon as they require you to get a vaccine, for example, they can also then ask you for proof of it.And then you're just back, you're starting down a truly nightmarish path.Once they can legally ask you for proof of something in order to engage in civic life, this is just horrific.Obviously they backed up temporarily, but as we know, they never go away.So we had that, we've done a lot more in education.And I think we're focusing much more now on the globalist threat, which again, Avi had, but we're really focusing on that predominantly.[39:53] Because it really is the number one threat. And it's not just the threat to us, it's the threat to all Western civilization and they're very good at it and they've gotten better at it.And during COVID, we've seen how unbelievably effective they are, not just at the, not just sowing the virus globally, but sowing the narrative about the virus, the narrative about the threats, that the United States looked to China for guidance in how to deal with this, that China is in charge of the World Health Organization, essentially.Their reach is terrifying. So when I think about globalists, I think about China, the Chinese Communist Party together with the globalist organizations and how[40:42] deeply pernicious they are, how cunning they are. I had read Unrestricted Warfare some time ago, and this is what General Spalding talks about. It literally has been unrestricted warfare to such an extent we're not even aware of it. So I think war looks different now from how it had.Ghettoizing people looks different from how it had. Silencing people, shunning people looks different from how it once had, but it's no less dangerous and horrifying. And we are losing freedoms to their methods in a way that it's not just that we're losing them in a way, we're giving, we're giving, take, take my freedom, please. You know, it's surreal.They're very good at it and we need to alert people more. So that's been our predominant focus against the globalists and now also working with other anti-globalist organizations.[41:43] Politicians, political parties, alternative media, and we are working to do more things in Europe,as you know, I was just in Austria and Germany and Switzerland and I plan to do an event, hopefully in Germany in the summertime, bringing together freedom fighters throughout Europe, I think as American Freedom Alliance and the daughter of a German man who grew up during the 30s and 40s in Germany, I think it's something that AFA can do, that maybe Europeans can't.We don't, it's not a difficult thing for us to do and we're not a political party, we're just ideas.And that gives us, I think, the ability to do that. And I'm very sensitive to, I don't wanna be a bully of an American.I just want us all to be able to be the best we can be.I'm all for national sovereignty, national self-determination.But I think we do need to work together because they work together.So that's what I'm seeking to do.
 
Karen, thank you for joining us on your lovely road trip from Las Vegas to LA. I know where I would like to be with you, but anyway.There's the pool right there.[43:06] We don't have a pool here stuck in London, so I'm sorry. But yeah, thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts on CPAC.
My pleasure, Peter.
Thank you. And if I could just, not at all, If I could just leave our viewers once again.Go to gun cat. I'll keep telling you this on every live we have because it was great to meet them.And I even got a great look at that great great t-shirt great top great hoodie. There you go.Can you see it there? Wow. Lovely shenanigans enthusiast and they've given us 10% off hearts 10 h-e-a-r-t-s 10. You can get get any of them there obviously in the states you can order them easily. They also ship abroad. But sign up to the mailing list and then if you're there in the States then you can get training on firearms. Sadly they don't offer training here, maybe one day.[44:02] But if you sign up the mailing list you can be kept informed of what they're doing and also, you can get some of the merch. And as I said what we do at Hearts of Oak is all about partnership, connection. It's not about simply having interviews on, but as Karen has been on the privilege I've had of getting to know Karen and discussing all different things with her and only by a connection and network I think will we actually be able to achieve any pushback. So Karen, thank you for coming on.
 
My pleasure.
 
Thank you to our viewers for watching or if you're listening as a podcast after, thank you so much for downloading that. We will look forward to seeing you on Thursday with Calvin Robinson looking at this recent split in the Church of England and what that means. Calvin obviously has his GB News slot every Sunday afternoon and he'll join us to discuss the tensions within the Anglican community worldwide. So tune in on Thursday 8pm UK.[45:01] When is it? 3pm Eastern and 12pm on the Pacific. I think that's it. And on that I wish you a wonderful rest of your evening and I'm off to jump on with Alex Newman. So thank you and good night to you all.

The Week According To . . . Dr Niall McCrae

More straight talking as Dr Niall McCrae returns to Hearts of Oak for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving his unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the papers and on social media. Topics and articles going under the microscope this week are...- Hate not Hope release their most recent report 'Rhetoric, Racism and Resentment' including Hearts of Oak amongst others.- Lineker Tweets: Presenters revolt for overpaid, jug eared BBC propaganda tool.- China Announces lockdown plans for the flu as Washington Post tells Americans to prepare for the same.- Russell Brand and how the left will eat themselves.- Corporate consumerism: Making us more dependent and less resilient while 'verging on extortion.'- The BBC (Biased Broadcasting Caliphate) welcome all the haters and conspiracy theorists back to Twitter.- ULEZ London: Cameras vandalised amid backlash against expansion. - Civil War at the New York Times! Older, liberal veterans Vs the younger, woke staff over the papers coverage of the trans issue. - Silent Prayer: Pro-life advocate arrested again for ‘thoughtcrime’ near abortion clinic.- Matt Hancock, COVID strains and 'frightening the pants' off the public.- Telegraph Misrepresents Ofcom Ruling Against Mark Steyn.Dr Niall McCrae is an officer for ‘Covid coercion in the workplace’ for the Workers of England trade union, the only union standing up for workers' rights and freedoms in the UK during these troubled times.From 2010 to 2021 he was a senior lecturer in mental health at King’s College London, and he continues to write on mental health matters.He was also a senior researcher for David Kurten and Peter Whittle on the London Assembly.His publications include several books including ‘Moralitis: a Cultural Virus’ (with Robert Oulds), ‘The Moon and Madness’, ‘Echoes from the Corridors’ (with Peter Nolan) and ‘The Year of the Bat’ (with MLR Smith).He is a regular contributor to Unity News Network, Gateway Pundit, Lockdown Sceptics, The Salisbury Review and The Light.Follow Niall on Gab @Dr_Niall_McCraehttps://www.workersofengland.co.uk/ 
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[0:22] Dr. Niall McCrae, thank you so much and sorry for keeping you waiting in the green room. You're live now.
it's quite comfortable in here.I'm sorry. There's lots of right-wing books to read in this room.
I'm sorry that I didn't supply you tea and coffee and drinks, but one day we'll have a proper green room to do that. Can I just, there was one comment on the side.Shelley Marlow said, I think she said, oh, Robert Malone. that's just weird, because I've seen people talk about controlled opposition. If that's a controlled opposition was, I wanted. The guy is absolutely genuine. I talked to him and his wife, what they're doing, all the work they've done. They were probably, probably the most genuine people[1:09] that I've met in some of my travels. They were hospitable. They opened up their house to me, they told me to stay as long as I wanted and just a wonderful couple. So don't believe the lies that only some of us are pure and the rest are all. There may be people in this for other reasons, but I think Robert Malone is not one of those. He is absolutely genuine.Anyway, we have enough stories and my sincere apologies for taking so much of Niall's time.You can of course find Niall on gab, that is, and we've taken most of the stories from his Gab account tonight.That said, let's jump in with our first story.It is Hate Not Hope have got a wonderful report. I love Hate Not Hope's annual report on the state of Hate, rhetoric, racism and resentment.It is an absolute honour for us here at Hearts of Oak to be in that.I thank Hate Not Hope so much for mentioning us and for showing us that things were doing well and not doing well and we will get a full page spread next time.That is our goal, a full paid spread in Hate Not Hope.[2:27] But Niall tell us about this because this obviously tries to target those of us sensible ones supposedly on the right.Many people mentioned are absolutely fantastic people. Some of them seem to be some Nazis.It's a whole mix really is.[2:47] Yeah, tell us about Hate Not Hope or this report or kind of what they highlight.
Well, I think you could take two approaches to this Hate Not Hope, sorry, it's the other way around, isn't it? Hope Not Hate report.
 
I always get it mixed up.
Yeah, well, of course, it is all about hate, really. These are the most hateful people, the most intolerant, woke Puritans.And I think that the first approach that you can take is just to find it all very amusing and to see it as a badge of honor.I mean, I saw that in the gallery of far-right extremists, there was a rather fetching picture of yourself, Peter.And there were also some other outlets. In fact, most of the outlets I write for[3:45] were in this Hate Not Hope report, including the conservative woman.I mean, Unity News Network, none of this, of course, is justifiable, but you can understand some of their websites are a bit more forthright, but conservative women are much more careful what they say.But also in amongst them was Richard Tice of the Reform Party.And so just as you said a few moments ago, Peter, there is such a crazy mix of people of all anywhere to the right of the spectrum.And I think what the intention[4:32] is here is to by associating Richard Tice with you know some real kind of far-right extremists because there are far-right extremists in that report. I think the intention is to warn people like Richard Tice, GB News, Nigel Farage, and in fact, anyone who follows Richard Tice, Reform Party, Nigel Farage and so on, that they are dabbling in, they're on a slippery slope, really to far right extremism. But I think the second approach is, and I guess what I would[5:24] recommend is a combination of two. The first is to extract some humour from it and to be quite pleased that you've got this free publicity. But the second approach is that that this is actually a dangerous organization.[5:45] They're well-funded by the establishment. This report will be sitting on every MP's desk, and it will have an impact.Now, obviously people in that report will have been well used to being canceled over the last three years or more on social media and other outlets.But that is just a thin end of the wedge. The disinformation industry is really ramping up, and the hate industry is really ramping up.And we see these bills going through Parliament.There's going to be a lot more clamping down on people who are in that report.
Well, let's go to another hateful figure and that is Mr. Lineker.And here he is. Pro Jam, can you just scroll down so we get the full..[6:49] Yep, so scroll down. Scroll down, down, down. Yes, revolt for Lineker.And I don't know if those of you will be watching the match today.I won't because Liverpool lost 1-0 so I'll certainly not be watching them.But they've all walked out. But it's him comparing what the UK government are doing to the Nazis.And this is on immigration.I guess you've no love lost for Mr. Gary Lineker, Neil.[7:20] Well, if you are a fan of Match of the Day on Saturday evenings, I think you'll be going without tonight. I think they've cancelled it, haven't they?And, you know, this is Lineker and Chums holding the viewing public to ransom with their political ideology.I saw Ian Wright defending Gary Lineker when he actually praised the sacking of some other pundits from Match of the Day.He said nothing about Matt Le Tissier. when Matt Le Tissier was, you know, shown the door because of his comments about, I think, footballers collapsing after having the vaccine. So nothing, this isn't really about free speech. These people have got no principles at all. If they did, they would have been speaking out about all the other people that have been cancelled by the BBC over the years.[8:38] No, this is simply that they are part of the, that they follow the same narrative.[8:44] As Gary Lineker. They think that speaking out in favour of refugees, that that's self-promotion.And I wish Gary Lineker, when he talks about these people coming across the English channel as the most vulnerable people in society, I wish that he would consider the vulnerability, of girls and young women who live in the proximity of these hotels that are putting up these undocumented male migrants who shouldn't be in the country. And isn't it funny how the likes of Gary Lineker were so anti-Brexit, so pro-EU. These people have fled from the EU. You know, that might be, that's not where they've come from originally, but that is a country that they have been so desperate to escape from, France and the European Union. So it doesn't sound like Gary has got much of an opinion of rights and compassion in the European Union, does it?Why don't we send them all back to the EU and send Gary Lineker[10:10] on the same ship, yeah? Because the British public is getting more and more resentful of these[10:20] rich, smug, arrogant celebrities, cocking a snoop at ordinary people whose lives are genuinely, being affected in all kinds of adverse ways by these migrants being dispersed all around the country.People have had weddings cancelled, hotels have sacked their staff, and these migrants are on the streets and we know what's going on in Britain and Ireland at the moment.We know what's been going on with the abuse of young girls, and that's not necessarily refugees that were doing that, but it was, you know, again, perpetrators were the sorts of people that Gary would call the victims, or the vulnerable people.You know, people that actually sexually abuse our daughters, and Gary Lineker calls them vulnerable.[11:24] Oh, exactly. Yeah. Well, now we've paid half a billion to the French to look after it.I'm sure everything will be fixed, but that's a whole other issue which we won't touch on.Projam, can you bring up the next one on China announces, China announces lockdown plans for the flu as Washington Post tells Americans to prepare for the same.And it is this, let me break this story here.That is the, the daily sceptic, which is becoming better and better.And Toby Young seems to be becoming more and more red-pilled, which is interesting.But yeah, they're all seemingly getting ready and Washington Post had the same for Americans.It seems to be their preparedness for something that's incoming Niall.
Well, of course, I mean, COVID-19 was a trial run, I think, for what's coming next.[12:21] I don't fully agree with your comment about daily sceptic becoming,[12:30] You know, there's that podcast that Toby Young does for James Dellingpole called London Calling and people say they're either on Team Toby or Team James. I think Toby is a long, long way from Team James. He still believes in the cock-up theory rather than the conspiracy theory that James believes in. But yes, there is some very good stuff on Daily Sceptic.And it's a brilliant library, if you like, of everything that's gone on over the last three years.If you want to search for any information about COVID, then Daily Sceptic is such a fantastic resource.But this particular piece, Washington Post supporting the idea of future lockdowns, and they're not even saying that this would be for a deadly new pathogen necessarily.It could just be that there's a bad strain of flu. So no lessons have been learned.But of course, this isn't about learning lessons. The Washington Post and the whole[13:52] COVID-19 regime, they knew that lockdowns don't stop an airborne respiratory virus any more than masks are a prevention. They know all this, but it's because lockdowns allow them to take huge strides forward with their project. And if you think back to 2020, just how much was done in that short space of time. For example, 5G aerials was put up all around the country during that time when you weren't really allowed out of your house.
 
Yeah, no, completely, completely. Let's go to Russell Brand. Pro Jam, can you bring up the next one? I once admired Russell Brand. This is weird because I've gone the other way. I once hated Russell Brand. I thought he was just a sex-crazed junkie.I don't know whether he is or not, but this is The Guardian. Obviously they once admired Russell Brand, but his grim trajectory shows us where politics is heading. Interesting how I've got opposite thoughts about it. But yeah, he's obviously gained a lot of popularity. I've got some questions around it but a lot of stuff he puts out is is bang on the money. What are your thoughts?
Well, I would say to all viewers that,[15:22] you know, usually it'd be like extracting your own teeth reading Guardian comment articles.But this one is so bad that it's good. Believe me, it's well worth a read. And there's too much to unpack in the time that we've got. But Russell Brand has really gone a long way in George Monbiot's perspective from where he should be. But actually, I think Russell Brand hasn't changed as much as the Guardian and George Monbiot have changed.I mean, they've moved ever further away from thinking about what ordinary people want, to pushing this totalitarian net zero technocracy.[16:21] And Russell Brand, he speaks to a young audience, people who like freedom, that hasn't changed.I think he was always speaking to a fairly sort of liberal, I mean, okay, in the past, he was probably more woke than he is now. And like you like you say, I can watch Russell Brand now when I couldn't really before. But really, George Monbiot's article is just such good fun to read. I mean, everything that's going on in the world that we know is wrong.The central digital currency, the lockdowns, the COVID vaccines and denial of the injuries, digital surveillance, the Dutch farmers, all these sorts of things.According to George Monbiot, they are conspiracy theories that Russell Brand is dabbling in.So what you see in this article is just one long dribble of denial[17:37] by George Monbiot of what's really going on. And George Monbiot is also saying that he's very worried about the way politics is going. And that's interesting to the likes of you and me, Peter, isn't it? Because, you know, we wouldn't be human if we didn't get pessimistic about things.But it's interesting to hear George Monbiot, the way that he, you know, reading the tea leaves, if you like, he sees things getting a lot worse for his side. And just very recently, three weeks ago, I think, I was at Oxford for a rally against the road closures for net zero by Oxford City Council against the wishes of the local residents. And it was a massive turn up. People came around from all over the country, 10 to 20,000 there. And George Monbiot lives in Oxford and he was seething with rage at what he saw that day. It was terrible for him. This was his home city.[18:42] And it was all these conspiracy theorists had come from near or far. So he's quite a worried man, is George Monbiot.
 
I'm glad you brought some joy to him. It's always good to bring joy to the the Guardianistas help them out in their struggle against reality.Let's move on to a piece you wrote.Let me just mention once again, guncat5.com. Go there.As I said, part of the parallel economy. And they haven't paid me a cent for this.I just enjoyed being with them. Go and you can sign up to their newsletter.And also if you want to get merch, I would encourage you to do that.[19:23] Over here, this is an article that you've put together, Neil, on Country Square magazine.If you can scroll down Pro Jam, it's a really interesting article, See you soon, the showroom's polite warning.It's about sustainability and I guess if the industry actually were green in any way, they would promote cars that last longer than a three-year warranty.That's kind of the overview. about this article Neil?
 
Yeah well I think there's two messages here. One is that you know we are opposing this new normal that the globalists want to impose on us but I think the last three years of Covid has shown, you know, certainly someone like myself who wasn't really very alert to what was going on until Covid.[20:20] It shows us that the old normal wasn't very good either. There were lots of things going wrong, and some of that was things that are creeping towards where we've got now. But this article is more about the corporate consumerism and how products are deliberately made not to last. And and it's been going on for a long time, but it's got steadily worse as, you know.[20:52] Computer tested components are made to last a very precise lifetime.And, you know, this started sort of infamously with planned obsolescence in the American motor industry in the 1950s, where they changed the model every year.And then they started putting on more more ridiculous wings and tail fins on the car. And incidentally, the editor of Country Squire has chosen what often comes up on an internet search. If you search Country Squire, you don't get the magazine top on Google, you get this American car called the Country Squire. And that's in the picture there is a Ford Country Squire from the late 1960s. Perhaps he could have chosen one with with the fins and wings from the late fifties.But anyway, the other point though, which is what you're touched on already, is that we have all these greenies lecturing us, hectoring us about the need for sustainability.Well, why aren't they[22:06] doing something about this corporate scam, because it is a scam, really. They could make products last for a lot longer than they do. And instead, things are lasting less and less time than ever. So we need to keep replacing them. We need to keep getting new stuff, mostly from China. You know, it has shipped all the way from China, made in sweatshops. I mean, this is not sustainability.So why aren't the so-called environmentalists making more of this, rather than trying to police every single aspect of yours and my lives?[22:50] Exactly. Exactly. Let's move on to Twitter. Projam, can you bring up the haters and conspiracy theorists back on Twitter?This is something the BBC had been working on and I'm not sure exactly why they had been working on it.It does seem as though they have a special unit.But this talks about the haters and conspiracy theorists back on Twitter and it's written by the disinformation team.I thought all the BBC was the disinformation team but obviously only part of it is the disinformation team.But they go and they talk all different people complain about Andrew Tate, complain about those who say that, stop the stealing, about saying the election was stolen in 2020.Mike Lindell talk about Robert Malone.And yeah, what were your thoughts? That disinformation, not really struck me.[23:51] It's interesting how the with the Gary Lineker story we mentioned earlier that there are all these people according to social media today who are cancelling their TV license because of Gary Lineker being kind of temporarily suspended from match of the day for his Nazi comments.I think that's just a cover up for the fact that the BBC is losing more and more people all the time.And I think some of those people are cancelling their TV license because of the latest nonsense from Gary Lineker. I was on a train home yesterday, I just heard three ladies who were in their 50s, ordinary sort of women and they were saying[24:46] Why does the BBC have people like him saying such nonsense? They're probably the people that will still carry on paying the license anyway, but hopefully UK based viewers[25:01] on Hearts of Oak, if you haven't cancelled your TV license already, you really need to do it.You don't need the BBC. The BBC hates you.This is the thing. It's got this disinformation TAll these people on good salaries paid for by your TV license.You are paying to be spied on and attacked by these people.And I saw that article a few days ago, Peter, and as you say, it's written by the disinformation team.If you go to the bottom of the article, you'll see there's about 10 or 12 names.And the article itself is really flimsy. I mean, you or I, Peter, could write such a piece in about 10 minutes flat.It's really flimsy. It mentions Andrew Tate, and that's about all.And yet all these people are being paid to produce this guff.So please, anyone that's still paying, just cancel it.You don't need the BBC. And the BBC doesn't need you either, because unfortunately, the money that they're losing, from hundreds of thousands of people leaving the TV license fee.[26:25] The government's quite willing to pay instead, just like they're paying for the newspapers, because authoritarian regimes love media, don't they?That's how they get their message across. So the BBC isn't gonna die, But why should you pay?[26:42] Why should you pay to have this constant barrage of anti-conservative, anti-traditional,They really don't like the ordinary British people much at all.[27:01] Yeah, no completely. We will move on this here, which was from your gab and it's telegraph, which obviously is often difficult to get because it's behind a paywall.This kind of connects with the Oxford thing. Someone said on the chat, HW Logan said, did the protest in Oxford help at all?Well, it's about applying pressure.All these things are applying pressure. It's never just a one off.But this is ULEZ cameras.Is the ultra-low emission zone, vandalized amid backlash against zone expansion. And there's a camera, you can see cut, the cable's cut, and you can see the front, not on that, the fronts are kind of blacked out. And yeah, it's a fight back against this control, isn't it Neil?
Yeah, and obviously I'm not going to incite crime on the show tonight, but I think my only comment on this, Peter, would be to quote from Thomas Jefferson.[28:13] 'When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty'[28:24] Very interesting. It's interesting how technology is used and that control has been used in different ways throughout the centuries, but now it's more insidious and invasive.Let's move on to, let me bring this is, what is our next? Our next is Civil War at the New York Times.A daily sceptic once again, who I think would be worse off without them, but they could be a lot better. I agree completely with your thoughts earlier.[29:01] I was giving some slack to Toby Young who I think deserves criticism and praise in equal measure.But this is civil war at the New York Times. This is the clash they talk about between the older liberal veterans, or how it's termed here, and its younger woke staff over the coverage of the trans issue.[29:28] I wonder whether it's that. I don't think every young person wants to chop off bits of children and sexually abuse them in that way. So I think that's probably over-egging it, that split.But it's I guess good to see the liberal media, the established media, the mainstream media actually up in arms with themselves over these issues.
Well, sometimes people can be quite flabbergasted by this woke momentum that doesn't seem to stop.You know, you get these stories every now and again, oh, they've gone too far this time. But no, they keep going because there isn't any real strong and meaningful resistance to them, either from the ordinary people or from the establishment. And for the latter, that's because the establishment likes what these young woke warriors are doing. They're pushing[30:41] the narrative. Look at the way, not just in Britain, but in other Western countries as well, you get these Antifa protesters coming up to counter freedom rallies, for example.[30:59] Their opponents are always accused of racism and homophobia and all that sort of thing.And the establishment just loves this because here is dissent against the establishment narrative[31:17] being countered by, and often such as when there's a drag queen protest outside a library, for example, that there are more antifa counter protesters and a few brave people who dare to turn up for the protest itself. So what I think you've got going on here, Peter, is a supposedly liberal left newspaper, The New York Times, getting in a generational struggle.The older writers, as you put it, who are more genuinely liberal, okay, they might have got fallen for all the COVID authoritarianism, but they still believe some of their kind of, liberal kind of outlook.Whereas the younger journalists and staff at the New York Times, they are like the Red Guards of Mao's China.You know, they're totally uncompromising and they are extremely shrill advocates of all these[32:39] extreme causes like transgenderism. And it's interesting to see what happens with someone like someone like JK Rowling, who has been completely sort of persona non grata now.And this is what goes on in workplaces as well. This is not just the New York Times, this goes on in universities up and down the country, not just in America, in Britain as well. In Britain,[33:11] universities, older, genuinely academic, enlightenment-infused lecturers and professors are skating on thin ice now because of this Red Guard-like, woke revolution that's going on.And the administrators, the senior administrators of principals and so on, they don't stand up for their staff.They say they want to support these courses. Look what universities did with Black Lives Matter, for example.They just took over the whole university for a couple of weeks back in 2020.And they're fully, completely, totally in support of transgender ideology.So who's going to win that battle in New York Times?I think it's fairly obvious,I think they'll just get, you know, they'll ease out some of their as some of some of their leading journalists have already left.[34:21] But they will be eased out, leaving an ever more woke staff behind.
No, completely.[34:31] I see. Sorry, I can see some of the comments as well from DLive.There's Kryptonite Dude on DLive.You can obviously watch on any of the platforms. If it's Rumble, if it's DLive, if it's Twitch, if it's on Twitter or on GETTR, on Rumble or directly on the website.Great having you with us. Obviously Niall McCrae is not for YouTube.So we keep more. We do do the, I think on Monday we'll do YouTube to discuss on CPAC.So that should be safe. I don't think CPAC has been cancelled by YouTube as yet, but you never know.We'll see. This is about the pro-life issue, well it's the free speech issue really.And Pro Jam if you can just scroll up, a British pro-life advocate again arrested for thought crime of silent prayer near abortion clinic.[35:25] This is the second time she's been arrested and actually the bill, this is under existing legislation, but the bill has passed through parliament, I think it was a couple of days ago and it passed through parliament which will now make it illegal to go within 150 metres of any abortion clinic if you do anything to oppose it, including silent prayer.Some MPs tried to get an amendment through that would remove prayer but no, it was kicked out.So the conservative government, Labour, all of them, they want to make prayer illegal.But the second time this woman, even after being acquitted, what are your thoughts on this Niall?[36:08] Well, you know, I could probably go on for half an hour on this, but I think I would prefer just to say the outstanding point about this incident, and it really is a profound point, is that thought crime literally is a thing now.So this woman's private thoughts in the form of prayer.[36:45] Completely unseen to anyone, but known only to herself, is now criminalized.And what an amazing achievement that is of the authoritarian state, that you can now be arrested for praying.I don't think the large numbers of Muslim men praying in the street in some towns and cities in the UK, I don't think they've got much to worry about. But you see, another just very quick point is that isn't it amazing how much protection abortion is being given?And it's almost become like Holocaust denial. You know, if you deny the right to abortion, and not just, you know, most people, my guess is that most of the ordinary British public would accept abortion within a certain time period, you know, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, which is what we've got at the moment.[38:03] But they wouldn't accept it to right, most people I don't think would want that right up to the point of birth or even beyond as some extreme advocates of abortion are calling for.But again, it's something that people feel very scared to resist such is the outrage[38:27] that you get for saying anything critical.Of course, if you're a man, you're not allowed to say, talk about abortion at all, aren't you?You'd have to do a temporary transition to females, so you could say a few words about it.Yeah, it's just quite stunning how successful that the establishment has been in making abortion totally out of bounds for criticism.
Yeah, I would actually go as far as I like the heartbeat legislation in the States. You feel someone's pulse and you know they're alive. So that's about six weeks. That's what I would roll it back to. So I would be a full-on extremist. But can I just again repeat, this is happening under a so-called Conservative government. This is the Tories that want to make prayer illegal.Let me repeat that. This is the Conservative government that if you go and vote for the the Conservative government, if you vote for Labour, if you vote for Green, if you vote for Libs, they all want to make prayer illegal. So choose how you vote. That's what I would say.
Yes. I'm glad you said that, Peter. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves and others that these things are happening under a Conservative government. And what the Conservatives hope[39:53] is that come the next election, people will think, well, it's bad enough under us.[39:59] But think how bad it's going to be under Labour. That's how they hope people will think, you know, better the devil you know. Now, I've got just a very quick self-promotion here. I've got an article coming out on Unity News Network tomorrow, which is a letter to MPs. So we've got an election that would be next year at latest. So probably it's going to be 2024. And before an election is called, I think people should be writing to their MPs, asking them where they stand on all these issues, which are the big issues of the time, none of which are in manifestos apart from the climate crap. But all this, the COVID stuff, the digital surveillance, you know, the cashless society, the transgender teaching to primary school children, none of these things were voted for. And I think that we deserve to know where our MPs, whether it's Labour, SNP, Tory, whatever they are. We need to be asking them where they stand on the biggest issues of our time, because the biggest issues of our time were not in large, mainly they were not in any party's manifesto.[41:26] Yeah, not completely.
 
So, sorry, just to say that the article, it includes a letter that people can send, and I think it'd be really good if people from, you know, everywhere in the country, if you're living in the UK, if you send this letter to your MP, and the answers will be interesting.It doesn't matter if they just use all kind of obfuscation or avoid the questions.That itself is interesting, but it's also interesting if they send you a splurge of woke justifications for these policies.
Yeah. Will that be available on your GAB Neil?[42:03] Yes, I'll put it out on GAB and it will also be on the Unity News Network website.
Yeah. Okay, wonderful.We will certainly repost that and put it out. Hold our politicians to account as they think they can get away with, well, literally murder, So anything they like.Last two stories will go to this lovely man who should be number one in a Nuremberg trial butI don't think that will ever happen. But Hancock wanted to frighten the pants off the public with new COVID strain leaked messages suggest. I'm really interested Niall with this whole thing.Obviously it was Isabelle Oakeshott, the other half, maybe the more evil half of Richard Tice, I would say. And she got these privately and then released them. That shows how despicable she is. Obviously, you can't trust her with a thing. But I'm just wondering whether they want to make Hancock the fall guy so the rest of them can walk away. What are your thoughts on all this stuff?
I agree with your comment that the fall guy in the UK is Matt Hancock.And the fall guy in America is Anthony Fauci with two different stories.[43:24] But they're both part of the same controlled release valve, the sort of revisionism on the the COVID narrative, because they have to move on.I think the globalists need to move on from COVID now. They can't keep this lingering forever.They've got big plans, and many things are going on behind the scenes.But it seems that they want to move on from it now. And that's happening with two big stories that are going on.In the Britain, we've had these WhatsApp messages, which were privately shown to Isabel Oakeshott, the journalist, but she said it was in the public interest for them to be published.[44:19] I'm very suspicious, I'm afraid, of this whole thing. Listen to Isabel Oakeshott's view on Midazolam because you know many people have been saying okay you're exposing this about Matt Hancock about you know wanting to scare the pants off people but what about what about Midazolam and she says oh that's not story there's nothing in that and and that you know that that makes me very suspicious. I'll be quite frank, I could be totally wrong and I doubt if she, if Isabelle Oakeshott is going to sue me for this, but I would say she's working for the other side. I really do believe that. And the other story which is going on is the lab leak. Now, there's three views about COVID-19 as a virus, right?One is that to believe the official narrative that it came from some bat soup in a wet market in Wuhan.You know, that was the official story, wasn't it? Zoonotic transmission to some, you know, unhygienic food market.The other story,[45:45] the second one is that this must have come from a leak, accidental or deliberate, from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. What a coincidence that this lab is in the same city where this unprecedented, deadly coronavirus arose from. And for a while, I believed that story. I believed that this must have come from the lab. But then I came to the conclusion, and I know that most sceptics are not fully on board on the same boat as me on this, but I came to the conclusion that the whole[46:29] COVID-19 phenomenon is a hoax. And that's why you can't be on YouTube, of course.
Oh yes. I know you too well Niall.
It is a hoax. And I think one of the best people to listen to on this is Patrick Henningsen, of UK Column. And if you look at the show he did yesterday, which you know, you can go back and replay it, and the one he did the Friday before where he lays out very clearly the argument that there never has been an isolated virus. The whole thing is a scam with PCR[47:16] test fraud. Anthony Fauci is a fall guy in America because he was involved in the funding of this laboratory in Wuhan through the National Institutes of Health. Now he's being accused of funding this dangerous gain of function virus.And people want him to be prosecuted, like Fox News and many Republican politicians and right wing commentators in America calling for Fauci to be prosecuted and for the Chinese government to pay reparations.I don't agree with that. I believe that this is a much more serious crime, which is that this whole thing was a hoax.And one day, one day in the future, people will eventually find that out.But at the moment, it's only a very small minority of really deeply cynical people like myself that have come to that conclusion.
I'm on the rabbit hole looking down. I'm trying to work out.I know it's interesting having the conversations with Dr. Malone about this specific thing.[48:32] I'm still above the rabbit hole where I know you're further down.Let's finish off with what happens when you do speak the truth. This is the absolutely legendary Mark Steyn. I say legendary because I remember following him 10 years ago whenever he was discussing Islam and the clash that we have in the West between Islam and our freedoms, and now he's taken on the role of legend and folklore through a completely separate, threat, and that is obviously on Covid. And here are telegraph misrepresenters of ruling against Mark Steyn. Well of course they do, sure they hate him. And they would like us all to be locked away and jammed. That's all the media right and left. But he obviously has had to leave. So, it's good, I guess, that this is coming out. Niall shows us the difficulty, I guess, of being a journalist in a mainstream organization. Even like GB News, it seems to be their massive restrictions under the Ofcom control?[49:45] The Daily Telegraph around about 10 to 15 years ago did this big splash about expenses, MPs claiming expenses and it was kind of epitomized by that rich old Tory grandee that bought a duck house on the lake in his private mansion. Do you remember that?
 
I remember.
 
And so this is a telegraph doing the same thing again where it is apparently doing something anti-establishment government. And so stunning and brave is the Telegraph, publishing those WhatsApp messages of Isabell Oakeshott, showing all of this scandalous activity going on in government.[50:55] And yet, the real story, which is the terrible harm that's been caused to people by these experimental genetic engineering injections, that they were coerced into taking and causing all kinds of problems, including death,[51:19] and the Telegraph has got nothing to say about that at all. And indeed, when this Ofcom ruling[51:27] was made, you know, total hypocritical ruling by Ofcom, but there we go, the Telegraph went out of its way to misreport it. This isn't just a mistake by the Telegraph. This is a message that it wanted people to know that anyone who criticizes the vaccines will be in trouble. And the Telegraph of course, like all the newspapers, they get vast amounts of money from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And, you know, journalists wages are paid by the government these days. So it's a very interesting illustration of just how bought the newspapers are. What should have been, you know, if things were working properly in the media, they should have been, journalists should have been dancing up and down with glee at having this big story of a journalist free speech being suppressed by an organ of the state. But sadly, we don't live in those times, we live in the times where the Telegraph, the Guardian, the Times and the Mail are themselves[52:50] organs of the state.
 
Yeah, they should all be on that Nuremberg trial. Neil, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate you giving your thoughts and there's Nanny Annie says, Thanks Niall, great show. I agree with everything you've said. So it's always good to have you on. Thank you.[53:10] Thank you, Peter. And goodbye to all the viewers. Thank you.
Let me, actually, let me, sorry, there's one other, I just wanted to leave the viewers with a smile.It's always good. Here was Bob Moran's latest, which I did think was genius as always.Thanks for making us a vaccine. We made you a play swing. Beautiful. Let me, yeah, that's, we made you a play swing, went great. Make sure and share Bob Moran. Make sure and share everything he puts up. Make him known far and wide, everywhere you can. Make sure and share that.[53:52] I just also wanted to just remind the viewers about, I've really got into Babylon Bee recently.I heard Seth Dillon speak at an event I was at a month ago, but I've kind of glanced at it. Here are some of the pieces on the front news if you go on their news thing.Man who's already purchased product just wants the ads to stop.Tucker Carlson obtains 40,000 unseen hours of Biden falling down Air Force One stairs.[54:22] Mario arrested for hate crime after leaving skid marks on Rainbow Road.But it was one I just want to leave you with to go and have a look at and it was page five and it is this. Obviously this is all satire just in case you missed that. This is shocking study shows more kids identifying as members of world's most celebrated popular group and it just says a shocking Gallup poll has revealed that a rapidly increasing number of kids in Gen Z are now identifying as members of the world's most celebrated popular group. We're absolutely stunned by this says sociologist Dr. Veg Bergman. We can't begin to explain why young, impressionable kids who are desperate for popularity and affirmation are suddenly choosing to become members of the most popular and affirmed group in human history. Every single movie, TV show, corporation, TikTok influencer, YouTuber, public school teacher, pop star and Hollywood star in the country openly promote and celebrate this group. Why on earth would teenagers want to be part of it?[55:25] It must be biology. And it goes on. Absolutely phenomenal how they use satire so powerfully[55:33] to mock and ridicule and give you a smile. So make sure and do go to Babylon Bee. I really got into it just a couple of days ago when I was in the States and someone sent me one and I read it, the whole article for the first time, I thought this isn't just good, this is genius. So obviously,
Yeah, and there's also the Pacific, which is a piss take of Atlantic monthly.[56:00] And another Twitter account that some of you might have seen is clownworldtoday.And I've often said to people, if you want to know what's going on in the world over the last three years, look at just go on clownworldtoday Twitter.
 
Yeah, no, I agree. I love it. I love it. I really do. Let me just say, do go, please do go when you finish, go to guncat5.com, go sign up the newsletter.[56:33] They've got a phenomenal team there of true conservatives who are making sure people are protected in the States and something that we can't do here. But anyway, that's a whole other issue. On that, I will say bye. We'll let you all go. We've kept you here for an hour. Let you go and enjoy your favourite beverage or whatever you wish to do for the rest of today. Have a great weekend. Good Sunday. I will see you on Monday with Karen Siegemund, unpacking CPAC. That'll be live at 8. So you can come on and give us your thoughts. We'll pull in comments during the show.I will even risk YouTube. There you go. Can't do better than that.On that, thank you so much and we'll see you Monday. So thank you and goodbye.

In Conversation With . . . Robert W Malone MD

While attending CPAC in Washington DC I had the honour of being invited to guest host for the wonderful folks at Lindell TV and on the list of people I was scheduled to talk to is someone who I have interviewed a couple of times before and has since become a friend, Robert W Malone MD.While catching up off camera, Robert was telling me all about his new studio he has built at his home and if I had time I must come and see it.Not one to turn down such a gracious invitation, I jumped at the chance and then spent a couple of wonderful days with Jill and Robert at their home.While checking out the new studio we sat down for an impromptu discussion, starting off with his new book and going onto many subjects, touching on Matt Hancock and the UK WhatsApp files, the chances of future prosecution for those spearheading the COVID pandemic and listen out for some wise words on our mindset and how we move forward when all trust seems to of been eroded. Robert W Malone MD is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines, while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988.His research was continued at Vical in 1989, where the first in-vivo mammalian experiments were designed by him.The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and Vical by Dr. Malone.The initial patent disclosures were written by Robert in 1988-1989.He was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989. This work results in over 10 patents and numerous publications, yielding about 7000 citations for this work.Dr. Malone has extensive research and development experience in the areas of pre-clinical discovery research, clinical trials, vaccines, gene therapy, bio-defense, and immunology. He has over twenty years of management and leadership experience in academia, pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries, as well as in governmental and non-governmental organizations.Robert specializes in clinical research, medical affairs, regulatory affairs, project management, proposal management (large grants and contracts), vaccines and biodefense. This includes writing, developing, reviewing and managing vaccine, bio-threat and biologics clinical trials and clinical development strategies.His proposal development work has yielded clients billions of dollars.He holds numerous fundamental domestic and foreign patents in the fields of gene delivery, delivery formulations, and vaccines.'Lies My Gov't Told Me: And the Better Future Coming' Available from Amazon.....https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lies-My-Govt-Told-Me-ebook/dp/B09R4YD4MP/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=robert+w+malone&sr=8-1Follow and support Dr Malone.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/rwmalonemdTWITTER: https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD?s=20WEBSITE: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/https://maloneinstitute.org/SUBSTACK: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/Interview recorded 7.3.23
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[0:24] Robert Malone, it's wonderful to be back with you.
 
Thanks for being here in the studio and taking the time to travel here to Virginia.
 
Not at all. Is this the first in-studio interview you've done?
Yeah, since the studio's been set up, I've done a bunch of hits, obviously, broadcasting directly, but not having somebody here in the studio. Very early before we had all the infrastructure, there was an interview for Epoch Times, but that'll come out in some future documentary I'm told.
 
Looking forward to it. Before we get on the book, CPAC, we bumped into each other at CPAC and interest in CPAC, but from your involvement, because CPAC obviously is a political event and you're there walking down media row and everyone wanting a piece of you.[1:18] What's that like? Everyone turns their head and everyone recognizes you.Everyone recognizes you.
 
Yeah, it's especially at CPAC, perhaps more than almost any other venue. And this is my third time speaking at CPAC. So the first time was in Orlando and that was a wake up call.I had no idea that I had this level of recognition in the conservative circles.CPAC is a funny place because it's people that are politically active that are very committed to the conservative movement of the United States.And increasingly CPAC has become almost an international hub of conservatism.So it's a biased sample.What happens in CPAC is not what happens in most places. And so it's a special place, but a little bit weird.What is it like?I don't know how to describe it. It's almost surreal, very odd. The[2:35] endorsement, support, encouragement, and particularly the people that come up and say things like, I felt that I was alone, or I felt like I must be crazy and then I heard you and I knew I wasn't.That's really, that gives me a lot of positive feedback to think that I'm actually helping people.The adulation is a little weird and I'm very wary of it.The whole cult of personality thing makes me very uncomfortable because I know how easily that can be perverted.And I also know that just because today this is happening, that has no predictive value of what's gonna be happening a month from now.And it could all go away in a moment. And so I think it's important to maintain perspective.[3:35] In what I try to do is focus on the mission and focus on helping people.If you stay, I think if you stay grounded in a sense of, this term has become very trendy lately, servant leadership.If you're keeping, if you, what I try to do is keep in my head that I'm in this moment because I'm providing value to people and the moment that I lose control of my ego or start imagining that this has something to do with anything other than this moment in time, then I have lost my own integrity and I won't be true to the mission. So I try really hard to not let it get to my head. And of course, Jill does her best to make sure that I maintain perspective.That's one of the lovely things about having a long time stable partner is they can keep you grounded.
Servant leadership is not a term I would expect to come out of something like CPAC. That political.[4:49] The lights are on, it's showbiz and even sitting, listening to some radio interviews and the level of respect and I guess adoration that people have for what you do.
It's a little weird, there's kind of a folk hero aspect to it.The tension for me is that people need role models.And they kind of need heroes. And this all gets wrapped up in the Joseph Campbell hero's journey, a narrative that surrounds all of us. It seems to almost be hardwired into our DNA.And I'm very conscious that there's an aspect here that's recreating the hero's journey, including the trials and tribulations in the time when the hero goes into the unknown and has to come out hopefully with wisdom that they can then share.I mean, this is the hero's journey laid out by Campbell.And I find myself unconsciously recapitulating that.And I see it in many of my colleagues.[6:05] But it is so easy, as I see it again and again, for people to get wrapped up in a sense of self-importance.And the other one that can really compromise people's perspective is all of us have set aside our careers.[6:28] All of us have, all the way down, the labour that has had their income compromised because of lockdown.You know, everybody has had, well, except for the elite, right?We've had this massive upward transfer of wealth.But for most folks, this has been really hard times. And so it's natural to want to make a buck to recover.You know, for instance, if you're a high profile physician and you've lost your practice.And so that siren song of making money and doing things to make money can easily lead you down pathways that you may not be aware you're walking that road until suddenly it's got you.And I've seen that happen also.And I'm really... Jill and I have been very, very conscious of that risk.And this is why in our substack, we don't charge.[7:33] People can voluntarily pay, but we make the information available to everybody.Yeah, it would be really neat to have 300,000 paying subscribers.Number one, that would never happen.And number two, it's contrary to the mission. Yeah, I'm not Joe Rogan.Memo to self, I'm not Joe Rogan![8:00] So I think it's hard but super important to stay focused on this moment in time and this mission of trying to help.[8:11] Hence the servant leader mission space, as if you don't, it is so easy for all of these forces to corrupt you.You have people wanting to touch, wanting to shake your hand, wanting to engage with you, wanting to be your business partner, wanting you to do their podcast, come on their show, you know, and all of this gets monetized. It's a little bit of a weird transactional relationship, not in your case, but with many podcasters. Like there's been an estimate that the net value of my appearance on Rogan, which I was very glad to do, it got information out, it had an impact on the world. But for Spotify and Rogan, it was worth a couple hundred thousands of dollars based on the number of hits. I mean, they have these simple equations. And when you hear those kinds of numbers, I didn't get a couple hundred thousand. I didn't get Zed, right? I paid for my trip down there, right? But there's money at play and there's all kinds of forces that are really easy to get lost in. And I think that that's a challenge. That's the problem I have with[9:34] moving through spaces like that, like we were talking about CPAC, is all of this comes at you in,[9:46] and it's useful if you are seeking, if your objective is to build your brand and to monetize it.It's a window of opportunity if that's what you want to do.But as I'm saying, if you go down that path, you quickly find yourself making decisions that will compromise people's, they'll compromise your objectivity and your genuineness.And I think that's the key thing that I've learned through all of this, is people are just craving genuine.So much is synthetic in their world.And particularly in the media. You know, it's, I have somehow, together with Jill, found ourselves, because of a set of circumstances, a very odd set of circumstances, in this weird position of being able to influence the tide of human events in some way.And that's a gift and a burden.[10:56] Yeah, well, I want to, can I ask you a different question about you that haven't got asked before?It's Lies My Government Told Me, will touch on the better future coming after, and just out, just before Christmas. And I thought it was a very large book. And then I thought, actually, it's probably very small. Lies My Government.
That's the criticism. It should be as big as the Encyclopedia Britannica.It was actually twice that size. And when I turned it into Tony Lyons, his acerbic comment was.[11:31] well, this will sell well for those who need a doorstep, but no one's actually going to read it.And so they went to their credit, Skyhorse and Children's Health Defense, pulled together a team that just went on a marathon editing effort because everybody wanted to get it out before Christmas.And so unfortunately, a number of chapters, particularly chapters from the first section that were sharing personal anecdotes about what it was like to be a frontline physician, for instance, got dropped. And I regret that. But that was out of my hands. And then some of the other chapters got condensed. And then the one that I could never properly rewrite was the one about mRNA because for me it's all so technical and it was, you know, I kept getting this feedback nobody is going to read this and the anybody who does is not going to understand it.[12:33] And so I'd make an attempt to rewrite and then I would get the same feedback. So eventually what happened was that somebody from Skyhorse had to step in and rewrite that chapter and kind of make it easier reading.
Tell me about getting it published. I didn't dare to hold it up.I held it up and it wasn't in.But I mean, there are a couple of questions. One is probably why write it?Because there's a lot of information out there.And you were already doing lots of media work. So you're getting the story out.But you decide to spend, I mean, never done this, but I assume it's a heck of a lot of time.
It's about a year for Jill and I.
Okay.
 
So the genesis of the book...
 
This was pre-substack. so it was fine?
No, actually it was,So that's,This is intimate, This is woven into the sub-stacks.So I'm asked by Tony in Sky Horse and Bobby Kennedy to edit Bobby's book, The Real Anthony Fauci.And that was an earlier draft.[13:49] That was a heavy lift, both time-wise and psychologically. For me, I thought I had known a lot about Tony Fauci.I've looked at him my entire career. I've been younger than him, but he's always been the big kahuna in infectious disease throughout my entire career, starting from the earliest days when the laboratory where I cut my teeth was working on the AIDS vaccine.[14:22] Back in 80, starting in 83.
And that's a whole other conversation.
 
And so, so I thought I had known, you know, cause I sit on these study sections in the office of the study section chair.I spent a ton of time hanging out in NIH and dealing with their stuff.And, and thought I knew a lot of the inside scoop on the way things are.But after the first read on Bobby's book, I was depressed for two weeks.It was just like, oh my God, the burden of just becoming aware of how deeply corrupted everything is.And then they liked my detailed edits that were not just content, but also I'm a reasonably good editor for language.And then they wanted me to edit again with the next version did and then after the you know, the big scrum and rush to get it out the door.[15:30] Tony Lyons asked me to think about writing my own book and, Jill and I talked about it. The problem is there isn't much money in publishing a book these days and so we said well, you know naively well, what would the advance be?And modest is an understatement. Overstatement. Modest is an overstatement. You know, it's a couple thousand bucks and we're like, well, this is going to be a heavy lift and there's no way we can afford to take the time to write this book with this kind of revenue model. It just makes no sense at all. You know, we do try to,[16:12] we had to live on the edge forever and run our small consulting business and we're very attuned to cash flow as probably you are too?Well, yes.
 
People listening to that.
 
Oh, yes. We all are.
Right? And so, Around that time Steve Kirsch, this is before the Rogan hit, and I was still on Twitter.
 
Did you use the black horse interview the three of you?Did you have that interview with you and Brett was that before?
 
Yeah, so so after yeah, it was way before Rogan. Okay Um, so and and I actually looked up my very first podcast was in February of 21.[16:53] With a woman named Dr. Aaron Stair who does a podcast as Dr. Eekes.And my very first podcast, it turns out, was about antibody-dependent enhancement in the vaccines.So that's a kind of historic marker, so we'd already done the Dark Horse thing, which was kind of a breakthrough.[17:19] And Steve calls me up one day. Steve Kirsch can be very effervescent.
I've had him on once, and enjoyed it.
 
Very enthusiastic guy, and he's like, and he knows that we have, I'm destroying my, I've essentially destroyed my consumption.And so, so Steve calls up and says, Hey, there's this thing, Substack, and I've gotten on it.And he says, I've made $30,000 in the last month. And you really got to get on this.And we were like, well, $30,000 a month, that sounds like real money to me.
And this was mid-2021, was it, or?
It was like early fall.And I'd never heard of Substack, but maybe a little bit.It was on the fringes. That's in Substack. That doesn't mean that it's anything real.And then Steve calls up and says, you've got to get on this thing.And so we launched that and that's kind of percolating along.And then I get deplatformed. And in parallel, we started on GETTR,[18:32] knowing that there was this chronic risk, I was busy basically self-censoring on Twitter to try to avoid getting deplatformed.And I posted a link to the World Economic Forum's, the little circular diagram they have of all their different policy positions, and a link to the Canadian COVID Care Alliance video on the Pfizer vaccine trials that had the title Safe and Effective question mark.And I still think it's a fantastic video covering all of the nuances that were known then about Pfizer trials and the misrepresentation, the deleted data and other things.[19:28] And suddenly, about two days before I go on Rogan, I'm deplatformed from both LinkedIn and Twitter.That was the third time I was deplatformed from LinkedIn. Steve Kirsch had Buddy, who is a vice president at LinkedIn, who saved me the prior two times.And I had personal correspondence with him. Yeah, because it's all a Microsoft problem.And so I'm already on GETTR.I get deplatformed on Twitter and LinkedIn just before the Rogan hit.[20:07] Rogan rushes the release, accelerates the timeline. So like two days after we did the hit, he dumps it on New Year's Eve of 2021.All right, is that right? 2021. New Year's. And the substack subscriptions and the GETTR connections just go boom. And I've never seen anything like it and suddenly were launched.And so it was a kind of this cascade of events that there's no way I could reproduce it.It was just, you know, like a lot of things being the right place at the right time and having things put in place.And then we were approached about writing the book and perplexed about how to do it.There was a history, a century or more ago in British literature, a lot of things were serialized in the kind of like local little publication flyers that would be circulating in London.[21:32] And so I thought, well, okay, maybe what we can do is use substack as a way to serialize is the building of the book by a chapter by chapter basis.And so that's what we did of necessity. And one of the consequences is that because we're writing it in the moment, each of these chapters, as a substack essay, Jill and I together, and discussing all the latest news and everything, as you've seen us do in the morning over coffee,It's full of details that there is no way I could recapture. If I had to start writing this book right now, there's no way I would remember all that stuff. And about the same time, Bannon was saying that he was making the point that everything is getting memory holed.And he was making comments on his show, which I was on periodically, that the only surviving artefacts of this period in time are going to be written text. That everything is going to get censored and memory hold and we've seen that happening even with the Wayback Machine.[22:50] And that it's really important to capture these things in the form of the written word.And that his posse that he's assembled, these people, really love written text. And that there was a market for this. And so we just persevered and had a couple of quote vacation trips. We were away from the farm and able to kind of focus. And one of them involved some people that were very seasoned, experienced writers. And so we were able to get coaching and feedback from them and talked about the structure of the book. And that's when it really got going.And pulling these chapters together. And then of course the chapters had to be rewritten because they were written in that moment in time and they have to be restructured.And then trying to figure out how to pull all this, really almost stream of consciousness writing together in a way that made sense.The epiphany was to structure it using the metaphor of how a physician approaches a patient.[23:58] Where when the patient comes to you, the way I've been trained, is the first thing you do is you take history and physicals. So you say, what is your chief complaint? What's your pain point? What are the things that are bothering you? And then you do some tests and you examine the patient. And then you have a period of time where you have to synthesize that and say, what is the diagnosis or the series of diagnoses and what's going on with this patient? What is causing their pain?And then you have to come up with a treatment plan. How are you gonna mitigate their pain?How are you gonna treat them for whatever their ailment and their chief complaint is?And so the epiphany was, oh, why don't we use this as a way to structure the book?So the first third is basically first person accounts of people saying, this is my pain.This is what I've experienced. This is what this has been like to me.Which I think is really cool for people that haven't been at the forefront and on the front battle lines to see kind of what it's like.What is it like through Paul Merrick's eyes to have his career destroyed?[25:03] What is it like for someone who, there's a chapter in there from a Chicago lawyer, who has always been a philanthropist, often a advocate for liberal causes in the city of Chicago that had bought a non-profit paper, and had written a essay about the vaccine and the problems with the vaccination based on, triggered by his own experiences in his family and what he had seen that had kind of, woken him up about this.And then had his own damn paper, refused to publish it and go through and edit it and everything in his kind of outrage about that whole experience.So there's just a bunch of these kind of first person, this is what I experienced, this is what it's like.And then it was this whole chasing down every rabbit hole we could think of about what the heck gave rise to this.What was really behind it? And[26:12] Ernst Wolf was a chapter that got dropped because we couldn't get his permission.He's a German economist who was really way out front in the theories around the role of the central banks and the economics behind all of this.And then Ed Dowd, you know, I brought that to Ed's attention that I had met in Hawaii early on when we did a rally there and brought him into this matrix of...
I'd love to do rallies in Hawaii? It's beautiful.
 
Oh, it was amazing.It was amazing. Yeah, that was a, it's like 10% of the population in Maui came out.It was one of the biggest rallies we've ever done. Early on, and then we went from there to Pearl Harbor and then spoke on Oahu.Not quite as big a rally. There was some key organizers that had done prior rallies in Maui.[27:20] So that's where we met Ed. So I sent Ed the Ernst Wolff essays about Ernst's interpretation of the economics behind this.And Ed was, his response was, you know, this is pretty much the way I've been seeing it, but I haven't been able to verbalize it. And this is so much more clear.And so we ended up with a chapter from Ed in the book. And I was very influenced in parts by things I learned from Steve Bannon.And, you know, as you know, whatever you think of Steve, he has a great grasp of history.And he was able to mention some historic precedents that then triggered me, and I went back and researched those same things like events around Watergate, etc. and the Nixon administration and other historic examples that kind of tie into this whole government weaponization of propaganda against their own citizenry and Operation Paperclip and that kind of Mockingbird and those kinds of things. So that's the middle part. The hardest part to write was the third part.[28:35] Because yeah, the better future coming. The genesis of that part was that Tony Lions had come up with the title,together talking to some others in the network of writers and experienced authors.And everybody loved The Lies My Government Told Me. You know, what's not to like about that?That's red meat, right? But it was so negative. It was so grim. And I just did not want to put out a book that was just dark. And so I insisted that we put a tagline on the back. And that's hence the better future coming. And then I had to write the damn thing. I had to write what is the better future, right? Which was the hardest part of the whole thing. So that third part is the prescription.What can we do about this? And it goes into things that we can do about the administrative state, the corruption that exists within HHS, the revolving door, all of those kinds of details.[29:39] There's some comments in there in terms of the lies that I got from Scott Atlas from a presentation that he made at MIT, which he's now kind of recapitulated in this new Newsweek article that's just come out.And so those are incorporated in there as key lies, these various things that are clearly, you know, I originally thought they were intended as noble lies in the historic Greek philosopher's sense.
 
Can I, because what is it like to be so vindicated? Because you've spent the last year putting this together and this was all happening before the great revealing. We'll touch on that a little bit, over the last couple of months you were already doing the hard work. And then as you're putting this out, you're realizing the media are beginning to admit and catch on.So what is that like for you to put together something like this? And then for the media, who have attacked you continuously to say, you're right, not admit you're right.
No, they don't say you're right. They never say that,
No, no. Yeah. So I wrote an essay about that and our substack it's one of our most popular. I think the top one is about
[31:08] this being the greatest experiment in human history.But another one of the top ones is my open letter to the Canadian truckers.But my essay on what is it like to be vindicated basically makes the point, in many ways, I would prefer I wasn't.It would have been a lot better if I was wrong.And we didn't have this massive human tragedy.And it has been hurtful, because you can't deny that. To be defamed by the fringe conspiracy theorists, some of whom you thought were your allies, as well as by corporate media is not a lot of fun.And there's been times when I've been frankly suicidal. I have if I'm going to be honest.Particularly when people that I thought were with me then started attacking me.That was really hard for me to come to terms with.[32:20] It's been a really steep learning curve to come to terms with the kind of fundamental evil modern media. And the complete lack of integrity and, you know, ethics. That's another one of the chapters is about the New York Times. And my experience with that essay, which appears to have been written by someone that was probably funded by the government as part of those initiatives, and right after their interview and publication with me, they left the New York Times. And all indications are that they did have connections with the intelligence community, because they had intimate detailed understanding of status with the CIA. So, a complete unwillingness to even look at the paths, let alone mention them in the attack art, which has been kind of a consistent theme with the Atlantic Monthly and the other ones.[33:30] Um, it's it was really hard, I think, for Jill and I to come to terms with the ethics and the fundamental evil of modern media and into being in a position, I don't want to say victimized, because I hate taking the role of being a victim. You know, I really counsel people against doing that better to become a warrior than a victim. But that's been kind of my own part of my key journey is maybe we were talking about the hero's journey early on. One of the journeying into the unknown for me has been throwing myself into modern media and alternative media and coming to grips with what I encountered. How do you process that? How do you process a ecosystem that is fundamentally evil and just grinds people up like their input for a sausage and with no accountability, never an apology or acknowledgement of the evil that they do to others and the damage that they do. It's just part of how they do business. That, you know, there was a book that I cited here.[34:58] That a key mentor gave to me that is something like the Journalist and the Murderer, I think is the title. And it's an essay about the legal case that was brought, it was a defamation case, by a convicted murderer against the journalists that had basically taken advantage of him and gained his confidence and then wrote a series of very high-profile but very ugly stories that they got good coverage on.And this then was examined, this case was examined by a New York Times author, you know, who is normally a New York Times writer.[35:47] But then wrote a book about this, about basically the dynamic that gets set up repeatedly between investigative journalists and what are really their targets, the people that they're investigating.And they have a tendency to try to seduce you. And at first, so I would get like this happened with the Atlantic Monthly, oh, I just want to tell your story, right? As soon as I can tell you, If somebody says, I just want to tell your story, the proper response is click, hang up the phone.Okay, there is no other response. There's a cluster of tricks that I've now come to understand journalists use repeatedly in trying to gain your confidence. And I'm now to the point where I'm very wary about who I talk to because even people that you think might be your friends, there's as I've become more high-profile, I'm a, great target. It's a business model to raise outrage and come up with claims about me because you can get many people, you know, people loved gossip.[37:08] And so anything that they can gossip about, they'll latch on and they'll get clicks and views and subscribers and all of that. Very dark. And it's really just a version. It's really the same dynamic from CNN spreading fear porn about monkeypox or outrage about Donald Trump, all the way down to the smallest podcaster that's trying to increase their market share and, their clicks by attacking somebody who is seen as more high profile.It's been an amazing journey.So do I, I don't regret it.I Would Do It Again was the conclusion of my essay and it has been extremely painful.[37:57] And it was worth it.
 
You're probably going to have to do an updated version because the information, is continually coming out and what you've done is a snapshot of the information available.That's contained change and this article in Newsweek by Scott Atlas, I mean he puts down his 10.I mean, for you, as you were going through the lies, I know you said the better future coming was difficult, but the lies are the dark part.When you were going through that, were there one or two that you thought actually that, was the lie at all, was on, or I wasn't expecting that until I really delved deeper or kind of stuck out with you?
So a bunch of them.So the whole thing is a cascade of, what? That doesn't make any sense. I don't get it.I thought that was a conspiracy theory, right?
 
Just gets worse and worse.
Yeah, it does. The deeper you go. And the metaphor is the one from Shrek.You recall ogres are like onions.They have layers, right? That whole storyline, which is profound wisdom.All of this stuff has layers.And the shedding of one's naivete occurs in layers.[39:22] And I'm not sure that I'm down to the stub yet. There are still things that I, you know, you think that the world is supposed to be fair and right and good if you've been brought up a certain way.And then you encounter this stuff. So was there, one of the big ones was early on I hada film crew come here and there were people that had actually travelled, one of them travelled with Trump to Davos. Okay. And they kept talking about the great reset and I was really wary of that.I was like, I don't know anything about this. I don't know Davos.
 
Full on conspiracy.
 
I don't want to comment on this, you know, try to be nice to the film crew and let's just stick to the things that I do know, we talk about the JABs and technology and stuff like that. And then, truth be told, I was kind of brought into the sphere of influence of Children's Health Defense.[40:28] And I think they were a little wary of me. You know, was I the real thing? Was I controlled opposition and all that. And so, Meryl Nass and Mary Holland came down to visit us here at the farm, and spent a couple days up at the house where you are staying right now. And Mary kept talking to Jill and I about this great reset and Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum. And afterwards, after they left, Jill was like, well, I like them, but I don't know, this Mary Hall. And she's, pretty far out there with all that. But at that point, we had enough respect for them. We felt like we had to look into it. And Jill found the book, The Great Reset on Amazon as a paperback and got that and we read through it and it was just the the logic there was squishy at best.[41:35] And, you know, it was real. And then we had to investigate the world economic forum and go down that rabbit hole and understand that.And that led to the Young Leaders Program. This is before the Trudeau truckers event.And we had a colleague here locally that was working with us part time.And we asked, and there'd been another group in Sweden that we were aware of that had done a lot of diligence on the Young Leaders Program and the WEF.[42:11] And so we connected our local person that we hired part-time with them.And then they did this huge deep dive, took a couple of months, collating all of the young leaders.They had to go back into the Wayback Machine and they just searched all kinds of different threads, to create this massive spreadsheet.It's still the most comprehensive spreadsheet of all of the young leaders.And we posted this on our MaloneInstitute.org site as a Excel sheet, everybody can download it.[42:43] And search by industry or nation state or person's name or whatever, and find when they graduated, who the other people were in their class, what industry they're in and all of that.So it's all there.And wrote a series of essays about the wef, which are partially condensed in the book.And came to terms with that. And then once you go there, then you have to look into the Jekyll Island story and the central banks and the Bank of International Settlements.And like I said, Ernst Wolf and the whole economics this and in central bank digital currency and then along comes Justin and Christopher Greenland and their little reveal about what this brave new world of finance is really going to be like under digital currency where the government can just push a button and you no longer have a bank account or if you've donated to a cause, it gets redirected.[43:53] Or not made available for that cause because of political pressure.That was all validating. Then it's like the mask came off and we could see the beast, right?And the whole world suddenly went,Wow. And then they almost crashed the Canadian banking system, right?Do you remember that press conference with Christopher Friedland and Justin Trudeau where they said we're going to drop this?Christopher Friedland looks like she's having a nervous break down.[44:28] It's a fascinating case of watching body language. They, it's like they disclosed to us a financial nuclear weapon and had deployed it, you know, the metaphor using a tank to shoot squirrels.They deployed it prematurely against these peaceful protests that were guilty of the sin of parking their trucks and honking their horns, right?And for that sin, they decided this was the moment to show the whole world that the Canadian banking system was not a secure place to deposit your Chinese money.If you're a Chinese heiress or whatever, right?It was no longer a safe harbor. And then the whole world kind of went, oh, if the Canadian banking system isn't a safe harbor, what is?And I think I've heard people say it was the greatest advertisement for cyber currency in the history of the world, right?For Bitcoin. Yeah, so it's been a long strange trip for sure to quote the greatful dead And um..[45:55] Another book. So we continue to push out the substack. Yeah. Yeah. And Jill and I debate[46:02] almost daily about whether the next book is more personal biography.
 
People love your journey.
 
Yeah, they love this. The personal story of us. You know, we now passed our 44th wedding anniversary the other day. And, you know, we're high school sweethearts and that whole arc of history.
 
That's on your Wikipedia. Goodness, that little bit's left.
 
Is it?
 
Your childhood sweethearts. Yes. Oh, that's been added. Yeah, apparently I haven't looked at Wikipedia. I got so fed up with Wikipedia and Jill's head just explodes whenever she sees it. So we just try not to look at it because it's been so highly edited. And fascinating backstory to that is that it's a lot of that entertainment has been by a person called the sock puppet by the name of Philip Cross, which there's another wiki that some most people don't know about called Wiki Spooks.
Okay. So that's a good tip, always good to check out Wiki Spooks when you're dealing with the 77th Brigade or[47:10] any of these names because it's an archive of the whole intelligence community globally, that people have built instead of Wiki. And they have their opinions about me too, but they, If you look up the Robert Malone page in Wiki Spooks, they go deep into who Philip Cross is.And apparently this person edits, it's one of the top editors for Wikipedia.They edit seven days a week, basically 24 hours a day.And their personal image is literally a sock puppet.[47:47] Okay. That's the clip that they have for their picture as a Wiki editor.And according to Wikispooks, this is an MI5 operation.And it's just a pseudonym for a group of people that have been, you know, they edit.I've now to the point where if your Wikipedia page has not been raped in this way, you're probably not trustworthy.
Completely. I want to ask you about this book which you contributed, Rise of the Fourth Reich, and you're one of the contributors.But this concept of Nuremberg trial, this concept of those who have done this, and we've seen a lot of the leaks, whether they are leaks or not, coming out.Matt Hancock, who was Health Minister in the UK.
 
Yeah, that's the big one.
That's the big one at the moment, but that's the tip of the iceberg.But this whole thing about Nuremberg trial, about those who are guilty of these crimes having to pay for it, be punished.Where do you think that's going to go? Do you think we're ever going to have that?[49:03] So one of the earliest podcast recordings I did was with Reiner Fuellmich.A lot of people aren't aware of that.When he was very early in his investigations this German lawyer who also has a license to practice in the States, I think he can, in California. And there was a whole group around him that were pursuing this idea of an indictment for a Nuremberg 2.[49:34] And when I interviewed with him, the person immediately preceding me, I thought, was a little off the rails because they were citing the US Army and CIA manuals on PsyOps.Of course, now we all know that that's exactly what's going on in the fifth generation warfare.But at the time, I thought this was just a little bit too fringy for me.And it shows how times change.
 
Well, we are all into it now.
And so Fuellmich was the spearhead, really the tip of the spear in pushing this Nuremberg 2 concept, at least in my experience.And it all blew up like about half a year ago with accusations that Reiner Fuellmich was controlled opposition.And on the basis of sketchy evidence and imprints, it's remarkably parallel to[50:42] the recent events with Project Veritas and James O'Keefe. But there was a rejection of of Reiner Fuellmich, Reiner Fuellmich carried forward, that committee carried forward independently, and that whole thing got diffused.I'm completely convinced that there actually are infiltrators that are agents of disruption.And I've written about one of them that was originally identified by Children's Health Defence of things that unfortunately used to work for[51:22] And I don't think he was aware of her prior history of the Nuremberg's.But they're out there. Yeah. And they seek, and there's some very active in Europe, that seek to infiltrate and disrupt and destroy these initiatives. Do I think that a Nuremberg 2 might ever take place? That would require a willingness within the European community in particular to allow a legal case to proceed, right, under an international court.And that's as much a political question as a legal question. And right now I don't see any appetite for it. I don't see any appetite for accountability with the possible, except what was the name of the person that's in the UK that you were just referencing with these WeChat or whatever.
 
So with Matt Hancock, who was the health secretary.
 
Yeah, so Matt Hancock, if there is any accountability being the cynic that I am having spent too many years dealing with DZ, it will be some convenient fall guy that'll be thrown under the bus and Matt Hancock kind of fits the profile.
 
He fits that kind of useful idiot. That's kind of what he's been portrayed as and he went and looked at celebrity status and they sent him on to[52:51] I'm a celebrity get me out of here and he was there and then he came back and it looked as like he was being rehabilitated and suddenly all this information comes out and he's low enough to throw him under the bus and save the government.
 
Yeah and the question is will people be satisfied with the bone?Will the thing that is pending,[53:20] that I'm hearing about is that some of the large NGOs non-governmental organizations that have played a key role in this are now being clearly identified for the, activities that they have engaged in okay that if I'm choosing my words That have contributed to the gross mismanagement, whether it's social distancing, lockdown, mask use, or that thing, the vaccine products, that is so controversial right now. But I think that I don't think there are many who can credibly deny the governmental overreach around the lockdowns and social distancing and mask, agendas, masking agendas, the shutdown of churches here in the United States, those are all clearly government overreach. And the, I argue that the weaponized[54:29] denigration of early treatment is is responsible for at a minimum hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and so if you are one of these large NGOs and you're facing a public relations nightmare what are you going to do and or if you're a American political party and you're facing congressional inquiries about and if there was to build enough momentum that this is where the lovely things for the administration in terms of the logic that for democracy to survive there must be censorship. Right? Is this media control, this massive, profound level of corporate media control. They can shape reality.[55:32] As former CIA directors have identified as a specific objective of being able to shape reality and craft public opinion. So they clearly can do that now for a large fraction of the population and they have been successful in doing it. So if there is sufficient momentum where the natives get restless, then the logical DC strategy would be, as you say, turning somebody in the bus. Who would be large enough to deflect criticism from more senior, currently serving government officials and leaders of large NGOs. And I think that Tony Fauci is the one.[56:24] And he's, you know, getting a huge pension, made a huge salary, his wife is still is in NIH head of bioethics, but his power base of being able to influence as he has done, there's clear smoking gun evidence of paying off virologists with very large grants, $1 million grants to flip their story about the lab leak, for instance, and his intimate involvement in propagating the falsehoods around the natural origin of this virus, the well-documented interactions between him and Jeremy Perard, and the use of burner phones, and all of this franticness around trying to cover up things in the initial phase, It just reeks of complicity at a minimum, and awareness, and an active attempt to obscure truth.So, does, you know, do we get to a point where there's enough of a concern that someone has gotta get thrown under.[57:42] In a more global sense?I don't know. It could be. A lot depends, my sense is there's more anger growing in the EU than there is in the United States.I think it is funny way, United States has become so jaded about their politics that there is a kind of a numbness.Of course they are manipulating things. Of course we can't trust them.Of course they have lied to us. What else would you expect them to do?And everybody just kind of passes it off as, you know, normal business practice in DC, in the kind of normal Kabuki theatre that DC is famous for.But what I'm hearing,In my brief travels that I'm always susceptible to confirmation bias, being around people who are activists or are awake, then it makes you think that everybody is.[58:48] But because in New York, I mean, you had everyone, my worry is that there be a couple of, medium to lower profile figures who, or maybe one person, but being in Europe, I walked around and looked at the museum there, all the top of the trials, and it was to punish those who had committed wrong. It wasn't to punish one person using them as a scapegoat, everyone who did wrong, and I want them all punished. So I don't know if we'll get to that point, I think, except they'll get a pass.
 
Except the people that are guilty are so, it's such a large group. And we don't have, one of the things the dynamics in Nuremberg 1 is, you know, victory is history is written by the victors, right? And so we had the allies doing the prosecuting and the vanquished were the defendants. Here we have the world leaders are the guilty, right? Who is the equivalent of the conquering allies? There's nothing like that. There is these transnational organizations and the capital behind them and their various organs of influence and control.[1:00:12] And they're all still there. They're all still fully empowered.Why you know, they're there,I don't see how we end up with an environment where there is political appetite for accountability.[1:00:30] Unless you know and that's that was my point in the Carlton Club to the conservative MPs was if you don't, release the pressure functionally and acknowledge the harms that have been done and, and seek to provide compensation, restitution and[1:00:54] some pathway to recovery for the harms that have been done economically and physically medically. You risk an upswelling of anger that you cannot control. And the, longer you postpone it, the higher the probability that there is going to be some abrupt event where people's tolerance is exceeded. And there seems to be the belief that we're never going to reach that because we have so much control over information that we don't have to worry about it. We can completely control the narrative and there's no way that we're gonna be able to be held accountable because we'll just find ways to diffuse it or deflect it or whatever and I gotta say that the data suggests they're right.So I don't know, that's why I've been trying so hard to message, and it's a tight wire for me, because of the accusation that I'm of controlled opposition, to try to use, you know, we were talking earlier about the kind of burden of responsibility of having this level of profile and recognition. And my desire to use it for good and to use it for healing.[1:02:22] And our society has been torn asunder. There's no hiding that by the events.And if they, the more that people become aware of what has been done to them, the more likely we are to have social unrest and disruption, and all the consequences of that.Do we want revolution?Is revolution a good way to change?Is revolution an appropriate response? Because a lot of people want it. They are angry, and they want to fight, and they want to punish, and they want to hate. The hate level is just so high, and it's like a monster. That's why I love the Yates, the second coming, The beast slouching towards Bethlehem would be born is this upwelling of hate.And it is slinking along looking for a target.I don't think that gets us to the better future.[1:03:43] If anybody understands how sucky it is to be subjected to the propaganda and the attacks and vilification, it would be me. Not belittling anybody else, but certainly I've experienced that in its full glory. And I don't forgive my persecutors, but I don't hate them.[1:04:13] Somebody early, you know, had so many people counselling me, you know, hate the process, don't hate the individual. Hate the culture maybe, but don't hate the person.
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. Okay. Yeah, a lot of this does come down to people who went through it in a strange way. And all the logic of evil and the many levels of hell and all those metaphors. So I can fully understand people's pain and anger about, having to do with how they've been treated and the you know this logic that was propagated functionally advocating for concentration camp, isolation, isolation in home, the damage to business, you're not being able to worship in church or to congregate the direct targeting, you know, this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated.The unvaccinated are responsible for killing your grandmother.[1:05:38] The children, unmasked children are responsible for killing granny.[1:05:44] Remember, that's one of the things that's in the book is, it's captured, it's one of the Easter eggs for the aficionado's is the Yale University prospective randomized clinical trial that tested in 10 separate randomized groups messaging for what would be most effective. Essentially, they clinically tested the propaganda messaging.
[1:06:06] For before they had a jab, before they ever had a vaccine. They tested the propaganda messaging that would cause you to be most likely to take a vaccine and to convince other people in your social circle to take a vaccine. They tested that through a prospective randomized clinical trial at Yale, which it's not disclosed who funded it. It's like 600 people. That's not a cheap date.Okay. A 600 person randomized clinical trial with a six month follow-up is a minimum of a few million.Okay, could be more than that, but it's not a cheap date to run that study.Somebody dropped a lot of money on Yale to figure out the right propaganda messaging.And it's from that that we get the stuff that you saw deployed on CNN with Sesame Street.That's Big Bird, right? It was all pre-tested.Okay? And what it is, if you unpack it, is it's surreptitious advertising[1:07:16] by the government for a unlicensed experimental medical product to be deployed in children.I mean, if you go 40,000 feet, look down, unpack it, the stuff that's been done is obscene.And it certainly merits anger. To be told that you're responsible for somebody else's parents' death, is grossly irresponsible and it's violent. It's violence against people, and it's totally understandable that they're pissed off and want retaliation.Want that Nuremberg. Want to see people hanging from trees. And the problem is that if you, number one, that kind of anger will just destroy your soul and it will just corrode you.It's like acid. And the other problem is that if you keep that anger inside of you, you can never reach those people that are in that persuadable middle.And those that are awake, like those that we're probably just talking to, I doubt anybody else is going to listen to this. Those that are awake, we're basically preaching to the choir.[1:08:43] Are already convinced. So all we're doing is reinforcing them in many cases. And they may be[1:08:51] 20 to 30 percent of the population. That is not a majority. Right? We don't win elections with 20 to 30 percent of the people. Somehow we've got to get, you know, there's as Huxley, we were just earlier going over that video of Huxley from 62 in an interview in which he was presciently saying 20% of the people are completely resistant to hypnosis, 20% of people can be hypnotized with[1:09:16] a feather basically, and the remaining 60% are in a gradient between those two. And he argues that this is good for society. Society needs some fraction of people that are easily convinced[1:09:29] to go along with whatever the narrative is or the thing or the society wants. And it's useful for society to have a fraction of people who are never able to be convinced that are always basically a bunch of stray cats going their own way. These are the libertarians. And then the rest to be in some spectrum of the heat makes the case is it's adaptive in terms of social organization, which is why it's probably there, innately maintained in adaptive balance. But the point is that those of us that are in the difficult to hypnotize and awake grouparen't going to win if we just hate and hold anger in our souls as we can never convince those that are in the persuadable middle unless we approach them with an open heart. And I've said repeatedly, this is a lesson from years of consulting, no one will trust you if you don't trust them. No client will ever confer trust on you if you approach them from the base of assuming that they may be controlled opposition or whatever the thing is, right? This is the problem with the whole storyline of controlled opposition. I know of a high-profile person that leads a major[1:10:56] bonafide anti-vax group, a very successful one, who makes the case that well at least those that are asserting that others are controlled opposition are thinking, so that's a good thing, and that it's adaptive to always be questioning whether somebody else is controlled opposition.The problem with that is that that drives complete breakdown in society because if nobody can trust anybody, then we cannot exist as a social group. And trust, I think, is the foundational thing. That's why it's so harmful when it gets broken in a marriage or any interpersonal relationship. Once trust is broken, the relationship is gone. The only thing you can have left after that is some sort of transactional thing, right, where you're doing business, but even then that becomes exceedingly hard if you lose trust. So I think this is the problem that we now face is, how can we trust the people that have done this to us? How can we open our hearts? And that gets to this, as we were just saying these fundamental religious and frankly Judeo-Christian ethic-based relationship guidance that we've required over millennia.[1:12:24] Whether it's divinely inspired or just the product of human society, collective wisdom over you know millennia, whatever it is the idea that you you have to forgive in order to heal, And one of the things, because I've had many times in my life where I've been hurt by people, doing stuff, you know, you know my story of the origins here, my nervous breakdown of the soul and all that, you know, there's a lot of things I have to be angry about. And there are times when I have wished for revenge. But with the tincture of time, and you know, wisdom from the, living. I love the saying the person who goes seeking revenge should first dig two graves. If you seek revenge it will destroy you. You may or may not succeed in destroying your home but you will definitely lose your soul.[1:13:33] And I think if we're going to heal as a society, even just to the simple transactional level of, building a political majority so we can hold the bad guys responsible and try to make it so this doesn't happen again, you know, try to put laws in place so that we can't have government overreach like this, try to change the laws so that we make it explicitly illegal to breach, we were just talking about Nuremberg, the Nuremberg court Helsinki agreement, the Belmont report, the common rule, these fundamentals of medical ethics that have just been thrown right down the garbage incinerator as if they mattered not at all, so casually we discarded them. Which was the thing that really people ask what did you, you know, what really red-coated you. One of the key things was this willingness to just throw away the fundamentals of biomedical ethics, that we've seen. It's all justified of course because it was such a public health crisis that we couldn't afford the morality of following well-established biomedical ethics.That's the other thing about this, Jill points out a lot, is[1:14:58] we are paying for these public health officers. We're paying for these leaders that were supposed to guide us and were supposed to be trained and experienced and seasoned to the point that they would not overreact, to the point that they would provide us with a mature appropriate response, to a true threat assessment. And instead they lost their minds. They were consumed apparently by fear, greed, I don't know what, but an appropriate public health response was not what we got. We did not get what we paid for.And I think we have a justifiable cause to complain about this.This is why I just loved being in Mexico last week and testifying in the Senate is[1:15:57] we all have our stereotypes about different nations, like we can all agree, and want to poke at the Italians for their corruption, right? I mean, this is universal.You know, the Germans have certain characteristics, the French have certain characteristics, And there's a whole joke about that and the British cook.Right? But what the Mexicans are not supposed to be by stereotype a mature political organization.That's not the stereotype.[1:16:40] And yet the government in Mexico and the president in particular saw what was happening and recognized that there was a lot of propaganda being pushed.And maybe it's, you know, being a Latin American country that, I don't know if you in the UK, they know this little saying, poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States.Right? There's wisdom in that. Right? And so, you know, Mexico has seen American shenanigans, United States shenanigans, their entire history, right? The truth is we stole California from Mexico. I mean, that's what we did, right? And so, for whatever reason, they were able to provide to their populace a much more mature response.[1:17:39] And to not engage in these egregious breaches of sovereignty and freedom and allowed the, contingent. And it's not that the outcome wasn't that great for Mexico. They're near the top of overall mortality, but they have a population that is quite obese in general, has a lot of, kind of pro-inflammatory diabetes or pre-diabetes, the things that are known to be risk factors.[1:18:18] And they lost a lot of people. It's strange though in Mexico there are sub-populations like people that are more genetically the old Mayan native Indian populations which tend to not be obese.They tend to be shorter, thinner people, had virtually no mortality. So in any case, Mexico is an example that leadership did not have to overreact like they did. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, people don't talk about that. What the heck happened here?[1:18:59] I think this is one of the discussions we have to have is why did the Western governments, particularly the Five Eyes nations, but also Austria overreact on this? And why was it considered acceptable to deploy military grade psy ops on civilian populations by these countries that, you know, those in the, in the, they're really all the British tradition, you know, even in America, we still go back to the common law and Magna Carta were still rooted in British law. And the stereotype was that Great Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United States were all so civilized and freedom-loving and yet they went totally overboard. What the heck happened here?I think that's, the African states didn't fall for that.Not even South Africa kind of gave lip service, but my understanding is in South Africa, vaccine cards, which are really doled out and have no relationship to whether or not what took a jab are the norm.[1:20:27] Yeah, I think we, this, as you point out, this book is a starting point.It's a way to help people along the journey and make their own assessment, which I think any thinking person has an obligation, really, to their children, to society, to try to process what has happened here and think through what is it that we want to do about it, because otherwise they're just going to continue to do it to us. It's power propaganda and fifth generation warfare technology and information control and the logic that it's necessary to preserve democracy.[1:21:11] To have censorship. How perverted is that? All of these Orwellian things and you're here visiting us from the UK, we, I think here in the United States and in the West in general, we owe a huge debt to British culture and British intellectuals. In particular, Huxley and his, and the one, and the person that he mentored Orwell, and their in their prescient awareness of where this thrust towards a centralized global government was going. It's captured in so many of the UN Charter and so many other documents from back in the 40s. And I one of the one of, our followers pointed out to me that I'm very indebted for that, in an early edition of 1984, Orwell wrote a forward, in which he predicted the rise of a pharmaceutical state in which we would all be.Pharmaceutical control to become passive and acceptance. You know, I think a case can be made that we're already doing this with our children, with Ritalin, things like that, they're little boys.[1:22:37] And that in his opinion, the only way to avoid this as the eventual outcome of the totalitarian[1:22:47] state that he was envisioning this totalitarian pharmaceutical state specifically, was to push towards decentralization, which is one of the key components in the last section of the book, is various examples of intentional communities being formed in Italy and the need to grow your own food and become more self-sufficient.And this is what Orwell believed was the only way that we could escape this dark, totalitarian, pharmaceutical future that he envisioned we were being driven towards.What a gift. It's so unfortunate that we haven't paid attention to that. Let's try.And maybe, hopefully, it's not too late.[1:23:40] Well, I appreciate you giving me your time in the middle of slotting into the middle of[1:23:46] a hectic schedule, as I know you have all the time. Lies, my government told me you can get it as a hardback, you can get it as an ebook. And also to those watching, if you, well, of course you will have signed up to Dr. Malone's substack, but do consider clicking that button where you can actually pay for the content. I think it's vital that we all have learned to consume information for free, but there is a cost to actually put that information out. One way, I think probably the easiest way people can support you and what you're doing is simply click on that and to turn your free subscription into a paid subscription. You may not want to say that, but I can happily say that.
I'm really poor at shopping for money. But thanks for saying that.
And it has been fun and thanks for coming and visiting.
Thank you. And I hope you'll be here again.
 
Wife permitting.
I'm positive wife will be here. She, you know, as you know, my wife is a dual citizen, US and UK.And she always likes to have folks visit us or chances to interact with people from the UK just as like her native culture.So thanks for coming and[1:25:10] thanks also for your courage. You've been right at the forefront politically and speaking out in a very challenging environment.I mean, I've come to learn it's even more challenging in the UK than it was here in terms of the censorship and oversight and pressure from the government.
But you do as you say, you do what you do, it's in front of you and you learn from great mentors. Thank you.

Chad Connelly - How Faith Wins is Educating, Activating and Mobilizing Churches Across America

Christianity and politics have a love hate relationship in the US. Despite the separation of church and state, many churches are highly engaged in the political process but they are not always well informed of the issues. Chad Connelly’s work as chairman of his state Replication Party was recognised by the White House and he became the first ever Faith Envoy for the Republican National Committee (RNC). Through this role he built up church engagement to another level and has continued this endeavour through Faith Wins. Chad joins us to discuss the importance of voter registration, providing leaders with resources, identifying church liaisons and connecting with political thought leaders.Founder Chad Connelly was the Republican National Committee’s first-ever National Director of Faith Engagement, a key position that influenced the elections of 2016. Having been elected to two terms as the Chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, Chad set new fundraising records for the party, hosted two nationally televised debates that brought over $50 million in revenue and advertising exposure to the state, and held the largest Presidential Preference Primary at that time in South Carolina’s history with over 607,000 voting in the election. Since 2013, he’s traveled to 43 states and spoke to more than 82,000 pastors and faith leaders about the importance of pastoral leadership in the public arena. His work has led to trusted relationships with a wide variety of denominational and organizational ministry leaders across the nation and resulted in the highest evangelical turnout and vote in modern American political history in the 2016 elections. He has appeared on numerous national television shows and has been a featured commentator on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and others. Chad is well known in political and religious circles around the nation as an effective speaker, relationship builder and prolific fundraiser and is in demand as an inspirational speaker on a variety of topics. Chad is passionate about his home state of South Carolina, America and her true history but is most passionate about his family: his wife Dana and their four children. Chad is a life-long South Carolinian and he and his family live in Prosperity, SC.Faith Wins is dedicated to educating, activating and mobilizing faith leaders, helping them leverage their influence and impact within the governmental and political arena.https://faithwins.org/Interview recorded 24.2.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Chad Connelly. Chad Connelly heads up Faith Wins, an organization in America that engages churches and politics. I met him a couple of weeks ago at a conference in Miami and was intrigued and excited by hearing his background story. So in this interview, we talk about how he got involved in politics and how he became the first national director of faith engagement in the Republican Party, a position which here in the UK we would be desperate for. Over in the US you've had this, and that was during 2016 during Trump's presidency, his first presidency. So we talk about how that happened, how he ruled that across the country, got engaged with churches, got them connected with politics and got them voting, got them inspired and got their congregations understanding what political engagement was about.Now we go into Faith Wins, the organization he started post that.So I know you'll enjoy this conversation with Chad Connelly.[1:34] It is absolutely wonderful to have Chad Connelly with us today. Chad, thank you for your time today.
Honoured to be here with you. I really am, Peter, and I appreciate the opportunity, brother.
Not at all. I had the absolute honour and privilege of meeting Chad over in Miami a few weeks ago, sitting at the table together and also listening to you speak. So I'm looking forward to unpacking a little bit about your story and what you do and to our viewers and listeners, faithwins.org is where you can find more of Chad. We'll get into that a little bit more.The links are in the description. If you're listening on any podcasting apps, Podbean, any podcasting apps, all the links are there so you can keep in touch. But just to our UK viewers, our non-US viewers, Chad served as chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, the first ever national director of faith engagement for the RNC or the Republican National Committee, for those of us not on stateside, and founder and president of Faith Wins. Now before we get into some of that Chad, you were literally born in Prosperity. I've never come across this. A town in South Carolina is called Prosperity. I thought it was a typo, but no, you're born in Prosperity.
Yes, you know prosperity is a really small town, Peter. It's probably, you know, you probably heard me make the joke.There are four or five hundred people counting the dogs and cats.[3:03] So it's a small little town, a great slice of rural America.But I grew up here and actually built a home here.My mom and dad, my mom's passed now, but my mom dad's house is behind me and my grandparents house is behind them.And I never really thought I'd come back to little town, but I travel so much.I really enjoyed the little town feel.[3:25] It's always good to come back home. Always good to come back home.Chad, your background is in business, but maybe you can tell us how you moved from being involved in business to being involved in politics.[3:41] Yeah. You know, Peter, I went to college, got my degree in engineering, got into the corporate world.I was doing design and engineering testing. It wasn't that I didn't enjoy it.I did, but I watched my dad lose a career in downsizing in the late 80s and my career was going up, and his was ending and it just, it changed my life.I decided I wanted to be on my own.And at about that time I had been in the army, I'd served in the army and I think that my military service made me come to grips with what's this thing called freedom?Why do we have it? What's it about?And I think it wasn't that I disrespected the idea of freedom, it was, I didn't really grasp it.You know how it is when you're 16 or 18 or 20, you have all the answers, none of the questions, but you have the answers.And life has a way of making you think through stuff. And so I was in the army and I started thinking, man, people died for this thing called freedom.And it started me really on a journey to examine my freedom, what the gifts we've been given, the blessings of liberty, and then that, It made me deeper in my faith.It made me realize God's had his hand on me[4:55] my whole life and where people can deny that or ignore it or act like it's not true, they can't deny the things going on in their lives and they see around them. And so I was a Christian, I'd give my heart to Christ in my teen years, of course wasn't very serious about it. Married my college sweetheart and I got more serious about my faith. And I think the army was big in that Peter because you know, you start thinking about why would somebody die for something and Jesus died for all of us. And so I started reading biblical worldview books and those books really are what got me in my own business. It got me speaking for a living, got me coaching other people to get in their own business, and it really gave me an appreciation for the whole idea of America and for freedom. That's the short version, but then God just moved me into politics. And I'll give you more of it, but I'll let you talk and ask any other questions on that part.
 
It's always interesting now people get involved in politics. I mean, I love politics. I lived and read politics for years, work in the House of Lords, all of that. But I always loved to find out how anyone made that leap because when we talk to people on the street, people generally seem disengaged with the political process. So what attracted you to begin to get involved in politics?[6:13] Well, you know, it was really reading the biblical worldview books and biblical worldview is we all have a worldview, right? We all have a way, a foundation, how we think, what we believe.And to me, it all boils down to one question, and that is, who says?There are only two answers. Man says, where there's no standard but me and you, which seems very haphazard to me, or God says.And if God says there's a standard, and if our standard is God and the Bible and the Holy Word, then that begins to inform our decision-making.And so when I was studying biblical worldview, I started realizing, oh boy, this,[6:49] here's why people turn from the faith or don't get involved in religion or relationship with Jesus.They don't want accountability. A lot of people, a lot of my friends, and they think, well, I don't want to be accountable to anybody. And I started realizing I am accountable. I am my brother's keeper. I'm responsible for myself and my family, my children, the people around me, my sphere of influence. I've been given this great blessing of being born in this free land.And that started to motivate me to, boy, there ought to be more like-minded people involved in this political thing, not just as a president or a congressman or woman, but school boards, city council.And so the more I read in those areas, I said, boy, I think God's telling me I better be involved in this.If I'm unhappy about something going on politically, it's really not political, Peter.It's spiritual. all our lives in a biblical worldview, my God's big enough to be in everything, everywhere, all the time.And while there's no question that people, I say the media and the left.[7:54] And I think that applies everywhere, have kind of taught us Christians out of being involved.You know, they say, ooh, you Christians shouldn't be involved in it.You're gonna offend somebody. And we're the very ones who don't wanna offend somebody.And so we put on our turn the other cheek Jesus, when really we might oughta find turn the tables over Jesus.And so the first thing I did in politics is, I did door knocking to get people to vote for a friend of mine for Congress in Charlotte, North Carolina, a great lady named Sue Myrick.After that, I actually went to Boston, Massachusetts and helped a guy named Mitt Romney run against Ted Kennedy.I had read about Senator Kennedy and the whole Chappaquiddick thing, and I couldn't believe anybody would vote for the guy.And so here's this little lost Southern boy, Peter, knocking on doors, you ought to vote for Mitt Romney.And of course, I didn't get a great response, but I felt compelled to do it.And I kind of had the bug. My boys came along,[8:51] CJ who's now 25, I was born in 97, Bennett was born in 2000, and we started doing political campaigns. They would sippy cup in a hand, a pacifier to mouth and a vote for somebody signed.That was how they grew up. And I got involved in the school choice movement.I got involved in the pro-life movement.I got on some boards. In 02, I actually wrote my first book called Freedom Time, where I was just explaining to people, you should be involved, get involved in the process.Don't sit over here on the side-lines and complain and whine and fuss and cuss.Get involved, make a difference.And after that, in 05, my wife Michelle, I met in college, her mom died, spun her into a deep depression.In July of 06, she took her own life, committed suicide, left me a single dad with two little boys who saw something nobody should ever see.But God used this too, Peter. It's a deep, raw part of my story and God's been good.I'm remarried, but I had spoken at Chick-fil-A the week before that.I said something I never remembered saying. I probably didn't say this when you saw me speak in Miami.[10:00] I said something I'd never remembered saying all the times I ever spoken.And I so didn't trust how bad Michelle was.I left her at her dad's home nearby and I went to Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta.And I was doing a marriage and family talk, very humbling.Nobody in the audience knew my wife was home with deep depression, much less would put a gun in her mouth a week later. The boys were five and nine,they were sitting in the corner of the room, Peter, and I said, you know, I've messed up, I've made mistakes, but before God, man, I'm not going to be a failure with my wife and my boys. And I remember looking at the boys over there in the corner and going, hey, Lord, that was good. I'm going to I'm going to use that again.The next Sunday, we come in to find her. And I knew she was bad,I didn't I didn't know she had had some blues more than more like not really depression, more like deep blues throughout our marriage, but not that bad.And I knew it was bad, but I never thought she'd do that. Anyway, we get in from church to find her.The boys are on my heels.[11:06] I pick her up to cover, I didn't want them to see, right? And so I go to your room, go to your room, go to your room.I pull her close to me, I lay her back down.And in my spirit, I feel the devil say, ha ha, you failed. Immediately I feel the Lord put his arm around me and say this wasn't my plan but I have a plan for Satan's disruption. And as I'm laying my wife of 18 and a half years back down on the ground on the floor, Romans 8 28, now you probably know the scripture, I wasn't studying it, I wasn't reading it at that point but I had put it in my heart and the scripture says, and we know that all, things work together for good of those who love God and are called according purpose. And I'd read that scripture over and over again, and I don't know if anybody out there reads the Bible, there's times you read it and you're not sure what you read.Other times it leaps up off the pages and punch you and just really grabs you. And so Romans 8 28, I laid her back down and it came to mind. And I said, really Lord, all things?All things? All things? My wife's in a pool of blood. All things, Lord? Really? And he, And he said to me, did you believe it yesterday?Yes, Lord, I did.So I need you to trust me and believe it today. And I told him I would. Now, I was a mess.I had three or four months. I couldn't get off the mat, Peter. The boys, I sobbed.Michelle's my best friend.[12:31] I went back to my pro-life board several months later, and there's a guy in there who's in heaven now.He passed away a few months ago.And he just, three meetings in a row kept coming at me. Chad, you gotta meet this girl.You gotta meet this girl.I'm like, "JD, I love you, leave me alone. Get out my face",[12:47] I don't have time for any girl. I got two little boys that saw their mom come in. I mean, it's awful.It's awful. I don't wish it on anybody." He said, "you ought to meet this girl". And he got in my face at the second meeting. He said, "Chad, you're Mr. Positive. I've been watching you speak for years.This is not going to beat you". He said, "you know that talk you do about counting your blessings?"And I said, "yeah, JD, I wrote it". He said, "read your notes". And you know how a Christian brother, sometimes has to hold us accountable. And literally, I prayed for accountability and responsibility partners. And I went home that day and I read my notes and the Lord gave me three very specific prayers. I wrote down 103 blessings. I go to the next meeting. He says, "you got to meet this girl". And I finally said, "what's her name?" He said, "Dana". And I said, "JD, big question. How did she become single?"And he hung his head and he said, "man, I'm sorry to tell you, but same way you did". Turns out her husband committed suicide, Peter, almost two years to the the day before my wife.And she had two little girls, I had two little boys, and long story made short, six months later we were married, and today the kids are 25, 23, 22, and 21. We're blessed and highly favoured.That's been 15 years ago.It's the most monumental thing in my life though, to watch God work that way.And when people tell me there's no God, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, I just don't.[14:07] It takes a lot of faith to think that we have the answers, that all this came because of an accident, that's beyond common sense.And I've watched God work in my life.And it doesn't mean he works the same way with people and he's got a purpose to fulfil.That scripture, Romans 8.28, if your audience hasn't read it, You ought to go read it.And we know all things work together for good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.Now at the time, I had felt called into politics, Peter. I didn't know how, I didn't know what.I didn't know if it was elected or work behind the scenes.I was very involved in the school choice movement, the pro-life movement, and I thought it was that way.When Dana came along, I got back involved. As you said, I ran for state party chairman, and anybody who's familiar with American politics knows our state of South Carolina, you will be here a lot. You know, it picks presidents.[15:02] Ten out of the last 11 Republican nominees were whoever won in South Carolina. And we have what we call carve out states. There's Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. So I did every political show on television. It was a big bright spotlight on our state. And on one of those shows, a guy named Reince Priebus, and if you're political folks that are watching, have paid attention. He was Trump's, President Trump's first chief of staff. He saw me on television, and I was basically beating up the party for leaving out the faith vote. That was the long and short of my talk that day on that TV show. And Reince, I knew him, I voted for him, but I didn't have any kind of relationship with the guy. And so he texted me. He said, 'hey, I'm a believer too.'I'd like to talk to you. You're right. We should be involved more. Let's talk about it. That's how That's how I got to be the first ever national director of faith engagement.Of course, I helped Trump in 16. I actually went to 43 states and spoke to 80-something thousand pastors just telling them, you got to get involved.How can you have a Matthew 5, salt and light, biblical worldview and not engage?How are you going to be salt and light if you're not engaged?And just imploring them to get involved.And then of course I left the RNC,[16:11] I didn't go work in the White House. I think I was probably Reince Priebus's only senior staffer not to go work in the Trump White House.And that's when I started Faith Wins. But man, we exist to just get Christians involved and let your voices be heard, not just your votes.And that's the short version. Look, I'm so honoured, Peter, I've gotten to watch God work in my life.He didn't always choose to do it that way. And that's where faith comes in.But the fact that a man named Jesus hung on a tree for me and for you is just amazing.[16:42] And what is it? Some 67,000 historical references by non-biblical figures that prove the life, the death, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus Christ.And to get to watch him working life, it's humbling, brother.
Chad, I love when you say that when you talk to atheists, I have the same conversation that I couldn't possibly have their faith to look at the complexity of the universe of the world, to think of simply the human body, never mind the universe, and to come to believe that actually there's no greater designer, figure body out there that actually is luck and chance.I said, well, you've got a lot more faith than I have, so I don't know how you come.So I agree completely. But I, National Director of Faith Engagement, that for a new role, you're the first person in that, that's quite intriguing because you get an opportunity to make that your own.You're not coming in a job description, but actually you get this and you think, wow, how can I take this right across the country?Tell me about those early days with something brand new, how you actually built that out.
Yeah, that's a great question. You know what, nobody ever asked me.I do a bunch of TV and radio and podcasts.[18:06] Very few people ask that. I literally told Priebus, Reince, we got to do this right.Let's don't do a political approach.Let's do a spiritual approach. Let's talk to them about their biblical responsibilities.I told him, I said, Reince, I'm not going to push a candidate.I'm not going to push the party. I'll work for the party, but I really think God let me do something to go to all these different, because you know there are different groups of denominations and all the segments of Christians and churches.I really think working for the party, the blessing was I got to wade through all of that and say, look, I'm not here to split doctrinal hairs.I'm not here to discuss our differences.But if we don't unify over things like the defence of Israel, that's biblical, life, it's biblical.[18:53] Traditional marriage, it's biblical, religious liberty. Man, I can say sovereignty of states and borders.It's biblical. Those are biblical spiritual issues, not political.Now they've been politicized, but that doesn't remove my responsibility as a Christian, a dad, a husband, a Sunday school teacher.I got to tell the truth.And so when Reince and I sat down, that's exactly what I told him.That's the exact conversation I had with him.And I said, I need your assurance. You'll give me the latitude to do this the right way.And I said, Reince, it's no offense, but there are very few people in this political world who've done politics at the level I've done it, been a state party chairman, run a bunch of races, but also are Christian first.It's like they separate, right? It's like you described, and I think it happens everywhere.Some of it's intentional, some of it's fear driven. Some of it's just, I don't wanna deal with it.It's an ugly mess. I can't tell you Peter how many people say well we shouldn't get involved in politics. It's it's a dirty business. I'm like[19:56] if you're been to a meeting, I'm not deep in meetings can be political I know what that's exactly why we as Christians should be involved. It's a dirty mess, We should permeate society in every way and let's face it. This is where we failed So this conversation of you asking me that Reince Priebus and I to his great credit and he's a great friend and mentor.We sat down and had this very talk, fleshing this out. What's it look like?And I said, well, first Reince.You can't contact my pastor buddies. You can't ask them for money. You can't ping them about you must vote this way You cannot irritate them and and I'll tell you the truth when I first built my list I said you can't ping them. You can't hit them up with emails and all that junk. I[20:43] salted the list y'all probably use that term, I put fake names in the email list to make sure that he communicated with his data people. We're not doing this and it was about ten days somebody in the data department, hit up my pastors and one of my fake emails got the email.So I called Reince and said, hey man, we're not doing this. We're not gonna bug these pastors.And again, to his great credit, he made sure there was a firewall.And then I started keeping my own list and I didn't give it to him.I just said, I gotta have my word and integrity.So I quit giving cell phone numbers and emails to the party, which of course was much weeping and gnashing of teeth.But I want it to be authentic relationships, Peter. I think that relationships matter.I think our world right now is going through a time it doesn't value relationships like it, but I think it will again.I think we're gonna get back to a very high touch personal relationship driven society again, in your country and mine.If they value the ideas of liberty and freedom, we're gonna get back to where that person to person relationship matters far more than a digital ad or a television ad or whatever.And so when we started the program, I'm telling you, the people in the RMC building, the political people, it was, it was, they didn't get it.Quite frankly, a lot of them still don't. And they don't want to deal with pastors.They want to be able to say, hey, we control this or we've got the data or we can contact them.[22:12] And I was like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing it that way.
About that because you look at one, first question is how did this position only start at that point?Secondly, how you kind of from over here, maybe in the UK, we look at the Republican Party as as a party that many Christians, we look at America's Christianity is not something to be ashamed or afraid about and people wear it on their sleeves passionately. So how did the RNC not really get it at the beginning.[22:47] Well, it's interesting. Part of this is the denominational differences. Part of it is, they're in political mode first, and you and I are Christians first. I tell people all the time I'm a Christian, that I'm a conservative, I happen to be a Republican because their belief system lines up most closely. And I also tell pastors, you're not going to find perfect. There are no perfect candidates. Only Jesus was perfect. He's the only one.And therefore, since there are no perfect candidates, there are no perfect parties either.And goodness, Peter, I'm married with four kids.We can't get our kids to agree on a Whopper or a Big Mac. That's normal.And Reagan said that, right? Reagan said, if you're 80% of my friend, it doesn't make you 20% of my enemy.And so we try to teach those lessons that you're looking for the person that most closely aligns.And I told them, don't vote on the party, don't vote on the candidate, don't vote on a personality, vote on policies and principles. So when we were building this, it was a complete oddity to the people inside the political structure. No doubt about it.And I think, let's face it, a lot of the political types will check a box.Okay, I'm covering the Hispanics, I'm covering the black vote, I'm covering the faith vote, whatever.And I think what Priebus did that set apart the RNC, and they've not done since to my my knowledge is he had a very specific plan for every segment of that.[24:10] And he had authentic people connecting with people of like mind and talking to them.Even if they didn't agree on issues, he really was intentional about authentic evangelicals talking to evangelicals and Hispanics talking to Hispanics down the line trying to really[24:27] go back to a basic relationship model. And let's face it, it worked.In 2014, we flipped nine US Senate seats, hadn't been done in 150 years.In 2016, a guy named Donald Trump hit a record.You know, and probably not the most evangelical guy to run, right?And again, we didn't tell him who to vote for.Romney, in 2012, had hit 78%. 78% of the self-identified evangelicals voted for the Republican candidate in 2012. And I told Reince at the time, I said, Reince, if you ever hit 80%, the left can't win. I don't care if they're running for dog catcher or president and Trump hit 81%. And I believe it was because we were very intentional about going into areas and running up the score. We found that there were a lot of people sitting in churches who thought, my vote doesn't count. I don't care about this. I don't want to go to go vote. And our deal was, I'm going to get to know the pastor. And hey, Pastor Peter.[25:26] Listen, let's talk about this and I'll tell you to vote for, but can you do two things?Can you make sure they're registered to vote? And can you teach them to vote by the Bible?That's it. You don't have to say Republican. You don't have to say a candidate like a Trump or a particular Senator, but can you register to vote? And can you teach them to vote biblical values and use voter guides and so forth.I tell people, look, I'm not trying to get you to charge the beach at D-Day.Can you register everybody?And can you give them the vote biblical values? Those are our asks.And that's not difficult.And listen, you've read scripture, Matthew five. Jesus says, if you're not salt, I know you're probably familiar with this, then you are good for nothing to be thrown in the street and trodden under the feet of men.Not about you, Peter, or any other believers out there. I don't wanna be standing before the Father because we will all stand before the Father and be told I was good for nothing.That seems like a really bad life to me. And let's face it,[26:27] I think our world's hurting for purpose. You know, suicide's a big deal to me, obviously. We live through it.My wife and her girls lived through it. The girls lived through it.My boys live through it. It's horrible. You don't wish on anybody.When you see suicide rates like our world sees, you realize we're missing purpose.[26:47] They're missing purpose. And some people are retrievable. There are things going on.Michelle's depression was real.I don't doubt that it's real, but it goes back to purpose. and she felt like she lost purpose.And I know that from my experience. And so I think the political world is a great purpose for people.Go out and make a difference. You know, I was a Little League baseball coach because I wanted to make a difference.I'm a Sunday school teacher because I want to make a difference.I'm involved in my local community because I want to make a difference.You know, we had a family friend, his wife's got an incurable disease.My wife and I organized the Sunday school class to take a meal, just to take a little burden off because I want to make a difference.And there's so many unfilled needs out there that government is fulfilling wrongly in my opinion, that people like me and you, because scripture says the church and the individual should take care of people.There's not a jot, tittle or phrase about the government doing it, especially through coercion like we're seeing now.You must, and we're gonna tax you super high. So my whole message is get involved, Christian, get involved, find purpose. God's got a plan in your life, he doesn't make accidents, and so figure out what that is and spend the rest of your life doing it.[27:59] I want to ask you about your church engagement because I for this conversation with my church about abortion and pro-life, there is an absolute fear to engage that no, no, we need to be very careful what we say because we would offend people and there's an inability to come out and say this is what we believe but we will love those who have failed.And that's quite different from, I remember the one time was over in the States, quite a few four years ago in Houston, Second Baptist Church Houston, Reverend Ed Young, at Phenomenal Church and Tucker Carlson happened to be speaking that evening on a Saturday.I just was blown away by the....Intentionality, I think, of bringing your faith into any realm of public life.In the UK there's that mass of separation.I mean, talk to us about that because that is quite exciting, that engagement generally with churches, in not only politics but across the board in public life.[29:12] Yeah, you know, I think as a Christian, the more you read the Word, the closer you get to God, the more, you know, my prayer is, Lord, I need wisdom today, every day, 15 minutes.I want to be more Christ-like.I want to have a better walk.And when you say those prayers, kind of dangerous prayers, if you will, right?Then what do you have for me, Lord?Then there's a response. You know, faith without works is dead.We don't get to heaven by our works, but our works are a response to what He's done for us. He died for our sins. So how do I say thank you?I believe it's by engaging, by activating, by doing my part.And part of that's the justice the Bible talks about. God is justice. God is just.The Bible doesn't talk about fairness, except with the weather and fair ladies, I believe, but justice is God.[30:05] And how do I let the murder of innocent babies go without me speaking up if I'm a Christian?And there are two victims, right? a girl and there's a baby that we take a life and I think they've been lied to.Listen, this is deeply personal to me. I know so many friends who've, and they didn't see a way out.My wife's involved in a local crisis pregnancy centre.[30:30] We've marched, we've counselled, my son and his fiancé started a pro-life group on their college campus at Clemson.It's deeply personal and I don't want to condemn people because, yep, with the grace of God, lie, right? And so we're all sinners saved by grace. We've all fallen short of The Glory[30:47] Of God. None of us is righteous, no, not one. We go right down the Roman road scriptures and we realize, you know, none of us is perfect. And so I don't want to condemn somebody who's made a horrible mistake. But I also want to reach out to them and I want to make sure they don't make that second mistake. And I told my kids, listen, mistakes aren't fatal for you. What you got to do is take them as learning experiences. I don't want you to be scared of making a mistake and I don't want to minimize the death of a baby as a mistake but in a bigger sense you want to think about it was I did something I can't undo. You know Michelle did something we can't undo. It's a horrible thing. I believe she got to heaven and she figured that out. But also understand that people do things every day they're influenced by their people around them or,mass media or whatever else. And we got to reach out to them and love on them and tell them there's a different way and tell them that there's a thing called forgiveness. And you know, he removes your sin as far as the east is from the west. So there's nothing that you or I do or have done that Jesus isn't willing to forgive us for except denying Him and the Holy Spirit, obviously. And so he is about forgiveness. That's why he died.He knew what we were going to do before he hung on the tree.And so my response to that knowledge, the more I read the Bible, the more I understand[32:10] that, is I got to get involved.And part of that is loving on people who've been through stuff relating to them, but also in a political sense, standing up for truth.And truth is, God made every single one of us with His perfect design.We messed it up, but He had a plan. He had a purpose.And Peter, if he had a plan and a purpose through the decision my wife made to commit suicide, then he's got a plan and a purpose. And far be it from me to question that.I don't understand it.It's beyond my capability to understand. But I do know God's got a plan and a purpose for me and for you and for everybody else watching and listening.What's up to for me is to find out when he strikes us with this thing about abortion, You know, our nation alone, we've taken what, some 65 million babies' lives.And who did we kill in the name of choice? Who did we kill in the name of convenience?Who did we snuff out a life far too soon because it didn't fit our plans?And so I've got a friend who was conceived by rape.[33:15] And I have a pastor whose granddaughter was conceived by rape.And I dare you, when somebody says, yeah, but rape, whatever, incest, why don't you tell Ryan, or that, and I won't mention her name, why don't you tell those two people their lives don't matter?And I think people don't think through that sometimes. And let's face it, we're in a society now where emotions and feelings count more than facts and that'll recentre. We'll get back to truth.
Not completely and no one is too far, whatever they've done, whatever has happened is too far from God's ability to reach out as he is all powerful. Can I ask you about[33:59] Faith Wins. Faith Wins is all about engaging Christians and helping them understand that Christians have a responsibility to vote according to their values. Tell us about that journey. Why did you start it? You'd finish your time in the White House with that responsibility. You started Faith Wins. Tell us why and give us that journey.
 
You know, I really, I think that when I left the the RNC and I just thought I should do this through a ministry side as opposed to through a political side.I think that pastors do respond better to the ministry angle than they do to a political angle and it just, it was a God thing.It really was a God thing. I was driving along one night and Faith Wins came in my mind.It was a prayer result. I believe God answered prayer.You know, what do you call this? If I do this on my own? Of course, now the responsibility is mine.Go raise money. Go tell people about what we're doing.But our laser focus is building relationships with pastors to get them to engage the culture.[35:06] I mean, Peter, we're living in a time when, I don't know if it's like this in your country, this whole, if a boy feels like a girl, he should swim or race or wrestle or whatever else against a biological girl. And that's pure insanity.And it defies common sense. How about those girls that have been working their whole lives?And I'll tell you what it tells me. I told a pastor yesterday and I with this.[35:31] The first time somebody said, if a boy feels like a girl, he should go to a girl's bathroom. Here's what I know.There wasn't a Christian in the room with a backbone.[35:39] Because if my mama, who's in heaven now, had been in the room when somebody said something that stupid, she would have picked up a chair and whopped somebody upside the head.It defies common sense. And so we're told, oh, you can't talk like that.And that's offensive. Listen, let's get people like that help.You know, that's not healthy for them. And this whole sexualization of children and genital mutilate, I mean, that's,[36:05] that's evil. That's demonic. That's not doing them a favour. But, you know, I live with somebody who had mental illness.I get it. Let's get them help. And some people you can't help.I'm the first to say it. We did everything we knew to do with her.But when you look at all the things going on around that movement and the the apologists who are pushing for it, it shows me that there are not enough Christians around. And all that's a big reason I started Faith Wins. Just go get involved, Christian.Don't sit on the side-lines. You will be held accountable for what you do and don't do.
Part of Faith Wins is about providing leaders with resources.Tell us how you do that.
Yeah, you know what we do is we teach them how to do voter registration.We hand out voter guides. We distribute them digitally and printed.We make sure they know about who's running. We get involved in judges races.We get involved on anti gambling, pro life, pro traditional marriage.We'd get involved in all sorts of things like that and we just educate them.We provide them the tools. Most states that means voter guides.It means how to conduct voter registration. It probably means having a pastor come in to train their people.It kind of runs the full slate of whatever it takes.We make an assessment of what do they need in that area and we go at it.
When you engage with churches, what are the conversations? I guess you meet some people who are engaged politically.[37:32] But I guess, as I've known for many of my conversations, you meet many people who are completely disengaged.Tell us about that and how those conversations go.[37:44] I remember the first time I got a pushback from a pastor. I was in a town in Colorado in 2013.And I knew it was coming, but I'd never really heard it framed.And I already felt like some people hide behind the pulpit, some people just don't want to deal with it.Some people, they think I'm gonna make somebody mad. So this pastor said, "Chad, we just, you know, I appreciate what you're doing. I just, we don't get political."And I didn't know what to say.And it kind of, you know, took me aback. And so when I don't know what to say, I always whisper a quick prayer. "Okay, Lord, you better give me something."And then I ask a question, what do you mean? And it gives me a chance to think.And he said, "well, you know, we don't talk about controversial stuff."And here's what the Lord gave me."Well, do y'all talk about the Bible? He preached the whole council of God, as scripture says."He said, "what do you mean?" I said, "well, I don't believe life is a political issue.It's a spiritual issue.Traditional marriage, religious liberty, defensive visual, I can go down the line.Those are biblical issues.And yes, pastor, they've been politicized, but how does that remove our responsibility to be salt and light?" He said, "nobody's ever told me that." And then last fall, I had a pastor, I was in the state of Wisconsin.[38:53] This pastor got saved late in life, tattooed, full-arm tattoos.Pretty big church in a medium-sized town in Wisconsin.He came up to me and he hosted our meeting because my pastor that works on my team had asked him to be the host. He said, "Chad, I wanted to host because your pastor's a long-time buddy. He's been a mentor.But I just gotta tell you, I'm pretty sceptical."I said, "pastor, what are you sceptical about?" He said, "well, I just guessed the whole political thing."I said, "do you think I want you to be political?"He said, "yeah, I thought so." I said, "no, no, I want you to be biblical."[39:28] He said, "I don't think I understand". I said, "you should stick around for my talk."So I did, he said, "I can't, I'm too busy."I looked out, I did my 15 minute talk.He was out there.David Barton did his 40 minute talk. He was out there. When we got done, our conversation and our avenue, our approach to explaining it, he comes over, he grabs you by the arm firmly.And he said, "Chad, I've never heard anybody explain it this way.And I got to tell you, I want to be ground zero for everything you're doing in our state."And Peter, I can tell a story like that from virtually every state, because we're going out into the nooks and crannies.Faith Wins had 132 meetings in 24 states between February and November last year, so if someone has got a better pulse on Christian America in the nooks and crannies, I'd love to meet them.Save me some time. I'd like to meet them and ask them their experiences, but we had 24 different denominations host our meetings.We have over 40 different denominations attend our meetings.We had 27,000 people in those meetings in very specific areas, and we had over 4,100 pastors in those 132 meetings.And so we got a pretty good take on what people are thinking and feeling.And you're seeing what's happening in Asbury. I think God's moving.I think God's moving in our nation and the world.I think that he's tapping us on the shoulder. Hey, hey, who shall I send?Here I am, send me, said the prophet. So I think the onus is upon us.[40:52] Or perhaps I was reading about Asprey today and feeling that excitement within me, reading about what was happening and wanting God to continue doing that and to spread out.My prayer was, well, as I'm going to CPAC, maybe a little bit of Asprey and CPAC would be wonderful.Just mess up the agenda. But can I say, obviously connecting with churches is about connecting, I guess, with political thought leaders.And many, I assume you come across pastors, I come across many people and they say, well, you know, I just need to stay in my lane and to what I've been called to do.And I'm thinking, well, your lane is the world, your lane is everything.Why live yourself? How do you kind of encourage, I guess, encourage those maybe within churches that feel, well, I need to constrain myself to what God's given me and their worldview is quite small and you're trying to enlarge that worldview?[41:53] I think the way that works is, and you're exactly right, because I don't ever wanna disrupt what a pastor's main thing is, right?I believe it is preaching the gospel to tell the truth. And so, I'll give you this analogy that our friend Bob McKeown uses.If you and I walk in your office there, and you say, well, it's 40 feet wide.And I say, well, Peter, I think it's 35 feet wide.And those are just opinions. until we pull a tape measure out and we have the truth.[42:23] And truth reveals error and error hates truth. And that's why you see so much truth being confronted these days.Well, that's not my truth. No, no, no. You get to have your experience.You don't get to create truth.Truth is his, not ours.You know, we can have an experience and that's our experience.But we got the bugs view of the windshield. God's got the helicopter.And so we don't get to decide what truth is. And when truth reveals error, that's why you see all this error going absolutely nuts.If they ask you to go down to the local university and say a prayer, they're going to say, Peter, what are you going to pray about? You're going to say, well, I'm going to pray in the wind or goat's breath or eagle's feathers.Ooh, that's wonderful.But if you say you're going to pray in the name of Jesus, all hell breaks loose because truth reveals error.And so I think that when they think I got to stay in my lane and just preach the gospel, we are. And every time you tell the truth, that is preaching the gospel. You know, I've got a buddy named Bill Feddory says two things. He says, number one, we got to get everybody to heaven we can, and number two, make sure it keeps it legal. And I think that part of what a lot of these pastors that won't engage, they think they're going to lose a tether in the church, or they think they're going to lose, you know, respect. And the truth is, the churches that preach the truth, the unfettered,[43:45] unfiltered, absolute Word of God. They don't change it for their own needs or wants or feelings. They're growing. The mainline churches in America, they're hurting. Some of them are dying. And the reason they're dying, I've got five new couples in my Sunday school class in my little town. And every one of them came from a mainline denomination that's capitulated on the truth.They've watered it down. They've apologized for it. They won't jump into into the culture wars and tell the truth.And our pastor's preaching truth, and I'm sure trying to in my Sunday school class every Sunday.[44:19] I want to end on the truth, let me ask you one question before we end on that. It seems to be what you're doing has gone past the party limitations. I mean, it's what you're talking about has taken on a life of its own, you're engaging churches irrespective of whether the RNC is happy or not, irrespective of who is running or not. Actually, what you're doing[44:44] has passed that point of, I guess, control and ownership.Tell us about that because it's then irrelevant what the ideas or policy or campaign is of any particular party. What you're doing is now separate and much bigger than that.
Yeah we think so and we think it's been a God thing. Thank you for for saying that. That's awful nice and it's certainly been a prayer and a heartfelt desire that Christians not just give votes but voices.And, you know, there's too many candidates, too many staffs that don't acknowledge a biblical worldview. They don't understand it. They see it from their own worldview, which is, as I said, who says only one question, only two answers, man or God.Man's always going to have a standard that moves all over the place, different based on the different people, and God's going to have a standard that doesn't move, whether it's inconvenient or not.I think it's gotten bigger because we've been able to tell candidates and party people, Love you, proud of you, but no, you're not gonna hire us. I've had presidential candidates already.We wanna hire your network. That is not how we work.[45:49] And we're gonna get pastors out to maximize the Christian vote.But if you're not talking their issues and you're not standing for truth, they're probably not gonna be with you, just quite frankly.And so I raise money through donors who believe in this. And I talked to them, you met some of them, probably in Miami, who just have bought into what we're doing and they realized we gotta get our nation and the world back to a foundational truth that doesn't move with the changing winds.And we gotta be able to identify liberty as, true freedom is freedom in Christ.That's true freedom. Bondage, releasing the bondage and the chains of sin.That's true freedom.And we gotta get people back to understanding truth instead of all this haphazard, all over the map, ricochet rabbit stuff that we see today. So we think it has, we just thank the Lord for it, and we're humbled, we're excited where we're at and where we're going.[46:40] Can I end off on a paradox that I see? America's traditional culture of Christians being engaged in politics, even though you have a separation of church and state, you have huge Christian engagement.Well, we in the UK, we have an established church, we have that connection and yet we are seeing traditionally that has been very much one with our education system, with our health service, all of that came from faith, came from the church.But now we have a huge disconnect and it's curious that over in the States where you have that separation, you seem to have churches being engaged where over here in the UK we have that connection in theory in our constitution, but we have a separation.I mean, speaking to that on the end and how kind of that works.[47:39] Well, in America, that whole idea of separation of church and state has been mislabelled.That was in a private letter by Thomas Jefferson in 1802.Thomas Jefferson wasn't there when the US Constitution was written. It was just hearsay.But it was taken out of context over 150 years later in a Supreme Court case.It was used by the up-and-coming modern progressive left to say, oh, you can't be involved.And see, our First Amendment assures freedom of speech just because you're a Christian or you're behind a pulpit.You don't lose that. And I think the more you see judges that are committed to our constitutional, they're constitutional conservatives, they're not trying to rewrite laws.You're seeing a rebalancing of that in America right now. You know, you probably watched, you are probably familiar with that coach out in the state of Washington, Peter, who was fired for doing a silent prayer at a football game.He had done it for years, never promoted it, never made people do it, but people came out of the stands after the game. The kids on the teams came out and it became a big deal.The school district punished him, they fired him, the guy was mocked and lied about, he lost his job. I think he lost his house.[48:50] And a Christian attorney that was at that meeting, Kelly Shackelford at First Liberty Institute took it up and they finally won last June, the right to pray in public like that.And that's a big reversal for America. So coach Kennedy, they had to pay him back pay, they hired him.And I'm sure you remember when that football player on Monday night football about six weeks ago, when he went down, do you know what those football players did and everybody in the stand?They took a knee. There was not a Supreme Court ruling.There was not a school district punishing them. There wasn't a newspaper reporter saying, no, you can't do that. So when people are in dire straits, you know what they do?They pray. They may not know to God. They may not know how. They may not know why.And so this whole idea of separation of church and state has been a misnomer, it's been mislabelled, it's been misapplied.And in America, when you read America's founding documents, those words don't appear in any American founding document.It's been so misinformed to people people are miseducated about it. We've been trying to re-educate them and teach them about the truth and going back to America's original history.
 
Just to end, Faith Wins for probably a quarter of our viewers or state side, a quarter of our listeners or state side, how can they get involved? Can they register? Can they donate? How can they get involved on the website?[50:13] Absolutely. That's faithwins.org .org you've got on your screen. We'd love to have you involved.We'd love to know where you are. We'd love to invite you to our meetings. We were in Iowa yesterday We got meetings in South Carolina this week coming up. We were in 24 states last year. I know we're gonna add Oregon, Washington,[50:31] Minnesota Maine, I know we're adding those four states this year, but if you go on that website You'll see where our meetings are. We'd love to have you come they're free. They're open to people, We want to help educate people we want to have those dialogues and conversation And so faith wins, F-A-I-T-H-W-I-N-S, faithwins.org.We'd love to have you involved.
 
Chad, thank you for coming on.The story of what you're doing with Faith Wins and your story with RNC is exciting and inspiring.So thank you for joining us and sharing your story with us.
Thank you, brother. God bless you. Thanks for what you're doing.I hate to won't see you at CPAC, but I know I'll see you soon.
 
I'll see you soon.Thank you so much, Chad. And thank you to our viewers, listeners for watching, for tuning in, for being part of the conversation and look forward to seeing you on our next interview.So thank you so much and good evening to you all.

Katherine Macbean - How the People’s Health Alliance is Providing an Integrative Approach to Wellness

A warm welcome to our guest this episode, the founder of The People's Health Alliance, Katherine Macbean.Trust in our institutions are at an all time low. The police, courts and government are viewed with suspicion or even seen as the enemy of the people. With the enforced jabbing of an experimental 'vaccine', many are now even apprehensive of visiting their doctor or hospital. People are seeking to find advice from doctors and health care staff that they can trust so it is this need that The Peoples Health Alliance is attempting to fix. Katherine started The PHA as a way to connect the public to trusted doctors and to promote a holistic approach that does not simply rely on more and more drugs to fix health issues. Big Pharma has such a strong hold on our health industry and The PHA is seeking to break this stranglehold.The People's Health Alliance is an integrative approach to health that is an organic, people-led initiative, working at a community level to educate about true health and preventative approaches all without interference from government or big pharma.The PHA was established in April 2022 and has spread across 30+ counties in the UK with over one hundred individual community groups wanting to create a health hub in their area, all unique and serving their community in different ways. PHA have moved internationally with hubs currently being created in NZ, Australia, Canada, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain and the USA.Connect with Katherine and The People's Health Alliance...WEBSITE: https://the-pha.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TPHA_UK?s=20https://twitter.com/Win11We?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/PeoplesHealthAllianceFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/470135028119956/TELEGRAM: https://t.me/ThePeoplesHealthAlliance/RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/user/ThePeoplesPodcastPODCAST: https://open.spotify.com/show/3J5i3EiTquLpgBzYJYIkRz?si=bb51fab718c846d3People’s Food & Farming Alliance....WEBSITE: https://the-pffa.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/PFFA_UK?s=20TELEGRAM: https://t.me/PFFAGrowYourOwnVote Freedom Project....WEBSITE: https://vote-freedom.org/Interview recorded 25.2.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview just coming up with Katherine Macbean.She is the founder of the People's Health Alliance.[0:31] And this is something that's come up, I think, talking to Dr. David Cartland, he mentioned originally, and I was asking him about what system there is in place to provide access to healthcare if we do not want to use or can't use the NHS.And what Katherine has done in setting up this is phenomenal.We talk about why she set it up, what drove her to set this up.Quite a number of ambassadors they have on it, Dr. David Cartland and Dolores Cahill, along with many others, and many organizations linked with them.How it's set up, talking about this integrative approach to health, this joined up thinking where it's not just big pharma, here's a pill.Talk about mental health and the impact of the last couple of years on that, and the important of community action and community hubs, which I think we've got away from, but we need to return back to those and look at some projects she has coming up. So great website and you simply put in your details and it will show you a doctor, a health practitioner who lives close by and you can sort it by where you live, but also what you're looking for. All the links are in the description. I know you'll enjoy listening to Catherine as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
Katherine Macbean, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:52] Thank you for having me.
 
Not all. Katherine is the founder of the People's Health Alliance. We'll get into all of that soon. And there's the website underneath on your screen and in the description.And I encourage you all to go and have a look at it. But maybe Katherine, we could start with you given just a little bit of your background before you got to the point of actually setting up the organization. So give us a little bit of your background.[2:21] Yeah, so I woke up about 25 years ago. I was working in the grocery sector and a number of my clients would have the supermarkets come in, your Tesco's and Safeway and Asda and so forth.And I was watching the control that these supermarkets had at audit times and how these small businesses effectively were having to invest really heavily to keep up with the requirements of the supermarket and the supermarkets were making it very very difficult for these suppliers through contracts to deliver directly to people and I was watching this happen over a period of a year or two and the monopolization started to become really quite frightening to me. I could see where this would head, I could see where this would go and farmers were almost handing over and producers were handing over there, their sort of sovereignty as a business, if you like, over to the likes of the supermarkets. And so I started researching and going down these holes. And that's when you start finding the likes of Monsanto's of this world and various other organizations. And for those that have done it, they know where it heads and you go off in a lot of different directions. It was a lot slower process for me to sort of wake up and be fully aware, I think, than people nowadays, because I didn't have the internet at home back then. And you know, you really had to do proper research if you like. And as time went on I realized that there was going to come a point They were going to do something to mess up.[3:48] And there had to be solutions that were found as to how do you move forward from a situation like that?So for me personally, I'd lie awake for hours at night trying to find solutions.[3:58] And it was always for me about decentralization. It was about taking power back to the people, back to communities, not this centralized control that we see now.And you could see it was going in that direction even back then.So I started to create models in my head of what that could look like.And when, during that time, I went and worked in big bag, big chem, big feed, big seed. I worked for smaller organizations. I got myself into a position where I could go and deal directly with farmers and growers and producers and really understand what was happening. And then later on down the line, I went and worked in community projects. So again, I could understand how you work with volunteers, because I knew this was going to take people power. And when you're asking people to dedicate a big chunk of their lives to doing something outside of paid work, you have to know what you're dealing with and how that needs handling and how you can work with people to achieve your goals. So yeah, I spent a lot of time doing that and then when COVID hit within a month or two, for me it was the shoving the test up the nose thing for this prolific virus that was going around something, I thought yeah this is it, this is the time. And prior to that obviously we had Trump come in and upset the apple cart somewhat. So we could see there was the light at the end of the tunnel that was coming at that point. So for me, I started off just trying to get a feel within the movement, if you like, as it started growing as to who's authentic, who's not, how can we work.And I'm a single parent of three kids.[5:24] So, and I was working full time at the time. So for me to start something, I'm not gonna lie, I sat back and thought someone will do it in a minute.Someone will do something in a minute. Yeah, just waiting. And it became apparent that no one was actually going to take the bull by the horns and do some things that needed to happen.So I decided to do it. And PHA just organically started to be developed. And from there, it's just we launched last April and it's gone bonkers. It's been insane.[5:53] Well, tell us, I understand your thinking when you sit back and you wait for something to happen and you realize nothing happens.That's why it's fun jumping in and actually doing something.And I think we both probably end up talking to people and they tell us about their dreams.And we guys say, well, we've been doing X and Y, so why don't you do Z?And it's too much bother.But you've, I mean, it's fascinating, the simply before we get into people's health and self, just the people on the website.So let me bring up the website and let people see what they will see when they go on.That's just what you will see when you go on the website.But you've got a great number of ambassadors and anyone who has Dr. David Cartland or Dolores Cahill certainly been with us before and many others.Tell us about that kind of networking and pulling those like-minded people into the plans and the projects you had.[6:55] Yeah, so it wasn't difficult actually. It was just natural connections that were made because I'm a networker, I'm a connector, I love speaking with other people who are genuine and authentic.And there was certain like Sam White was the first guy I connected with and I went and met with Sam.You know, what he's been put through is just revolting. It's disgusting that any individual who's trying to help other people should go through what he's been through.And Dave Cartland, as such, has had similar issues afterwards.So once we kind of got established, I felt it was important that these guys felt not only were they supported by the people across the UK who knew what was going on, but they have much to offer.And we're, as a core group of volunteers who started PHA, none of us are medically trained.And we wanted to ensure that we could bring across supporters and ambassadors for PHA who come from a variety of different backgrounds, because what we do is integrative. It isn't just medical, it isn't just allopathic. We do believe there's space for both. And in fact, it's essential.We adopt both methods moving forward. So I got to connect with Sam and Dave, and we've all become really good friends, genuinely, you know, really good mates now. You know, we message each other regularly. They're real people. They're real people with feelings, and real people with skills and the real people who've got drive to make a difference and that's what we found with the ambassadors we work with, they all are so driven.[8:20] To bring real change to how we look at health as well as supporting accountability for what's taken place. And so just one-to-one I connected with them. One thing I think that's really important is we just remain human and we just remain really genuine and authentic in who we are and I think people like that about what we're doing. There's no egos involved with PHA, there's no agendas involved with PHA, it is about producing for the people and every single one of the ambassadors we've got including Dr Kat Linley who's been profoundly supportive on the medical side.[8:53] We need these people to help you know get message out there and the trouble we've got Peter is the same old adage across the board within the movement too few do very much for so many and we'd love to get more ambassadors on board to help and as time allows we'll get to it.
 
I love that that networking side as you pointed out the last three years one of the massive plus points in the midst of the chaos has been meeting people, connecting with people, making those new relationships of people maybe wouldn't traditionally have crossed. But looking at the, on the website you talk about a future where Big Pharma no longer has control over us and I think a lot of us have questioned that power that is over us and controls every area of our lives and not just big pharma but you have their big everything there's so many institutions and organizations but maybe want to tell us what the need is for the People's Health Alliance in the midst of that.[9:57] And yeah so tell us kind of how PHA fits into what need it addresses.
Yeah one of the main reasons I wanted to get started was it was the when the government announced that the NHS staff might be mandated for vaccines. And so for me, I could see there are a lot of doctors and nurses who would eventually become uncomfortable with this and want to leave.Now we don't want to lose that skill set, that expertise, that knowledge. You know, people still need healthcare across the UK. But we knew there were going to be far less medical practitioners available initially, because so many have swallowed what they were told. So, and there's such a place for natural approaches to health, more holistic approaches to health. And these guys, these homeopathic doctors and nutritionists and so forth, the knowledge they have is absolutely profound but they've always been pushed into the shadows because Big Pharma can't make money, a huge amount of money off the back of more natural approaches to health and preventative approaches to health. So whilst you look at Big Pharma and it just seems overwhelming, It's like, how do we stop this?How do we stop them? They are so big.[11:03] Actually, we have the power to do it. But we can start small. If you go into your community as a practitioner and start working with the more holistic and natural approaches and certainly in a preventative way, over time, you're going to eradicate the need for big pharma quite a lot more.Also what we want to support is if there are local producers in the UK who do manufacture and produce pharmaceuticals, essential pharmaceuticals, that's great.But by bringing it back to smaller businesses, bringing it back to a more community based way of living, you eradicate the need for the big control mechanisms that are there.And with everything we do under the People's Alliance, it is about eradicating that central power source and bringing the power back to the people, back to communities.So whilst Big Pharma, it seems like they're massive and they have a hold on everything.What you do in your community on the daily will eradicate the need for these big conglomerates that currently have the control in place.But we don't need them.We don't need them. And the sooner people realize that and step into their power, we're going to see change start to happen.
Yeah, I think we've all seen the Big Pharma are not there to help us help our health.They're there to make profits for their shareholders.That's why they exist. But we see the NHS system collapsing, whether by chance or by design, and I'm still trying to work that out personally.But yeah, the NHS completely collapsed.[12:29] Is what you're doing trying to set up another NHS? How does it kind of, when people see that as the model they understand, how does PHA fit into that understanding?
So we're not trying to replace the NHS. Predominantly what we're doing is creating safety nets and a way to start moving forward.So, you know, I've always been a huge proponent of the NHS. My mum's an NHS nurse for over 30 years. They've saved my life twice.You know, I've been on rallies in the past many years ago to support the NHS. It isn't a crack at the NHS per se, but the NHS are not performing.People cannot access health care. And so whilst we're not in a position right now as PHA to address things like secondary and acute care, We can certainly support at that primary care level and create safety nets.Another thing I foresaw coming was the fact that people might lose faith in the NHS.[13:19] And actually might say, no, I'm not going to go and see my doctor.I'm not going to go and see anyone about this or refuse to see it.They've lost confidence. So actually, it's really essential we still all take care of ourselves.And there's incredible practitioners out there who certainly at that primary care level can support people within the community.And it's giving them an affordable way to access that. But the beauty of what we do here is no health hubs will look the same from each other.It isn't about us at core who are providing resources and the information and so forth.It's about what you need in your community. So every single health hub looks unique, it looks a bit different. And what we want to encourage is more of that old school.[13:59] For the GPs to come in and create a relationship with the people within their community. At the the moment it's cattle fodder, you're in and out, five minutes, job done. The amount of GPs I've spoken to who really don't like working that way.So PHA want to bring back the opportunity for practitioners to connect with their patients on a one to one level, get to know them and understand them and people genuinely receiving solid support and advice on what they can do and how they can take care of themselves at home.Without the need as Dave Cartland put it, GP's just going there's a pill for every year or crack on, you know, we want to move away from that.
 
Yeah and I completely understand, I've got friends who are, don't want to go to their doctor because they are concerned if you're maybe older or weaker, they're worried about being forced to have jabs, they're worried about being forced to have medication that they don't want to have, so I completely get that concern about actually going and that trust is completely gone. But how is it set up practically? How does it work? Is it purely education? Is it actually people setting up a system where people can get treatment? Explain kind of how it does work and what your vision is for moving forward.[15:12] Yeah, so like I said, every hub is unique. So for example, we've got 10 physical hubs open in the UK in 10 months, which actually is profound. And it isn't us at core. This is the people doing it and doing it with very, very little money.So each one looks different.So some have what they call drop-ins, whereby their practitioners dedicate a morning a week, for example, to being able to see patients within their community and it's free of charge or donation is asked for.Some hubs are set up whereby they've got practitioners available all day, every day, where you can make an appointment, but we've asked every hub to ensure that there are schemes available for those in the community who may be on a low income or poverty situation. So we don't have people missing out.[15:54] Each hub looks different. And there's a really, really good reason for that.And that is because it's about empowering people.It's not about us at Central controlling things. It's about empowering and supplying resources for each community to create what it wants.So each one will look different, but there'll be a plethora of different practitioners available in every hub.It could be nutritionists, a homeopath, a chiropractor, and so on and so forth.And they refer to each other, different patients, depending on what they are analysing within that, you know, what they're finding with that patient.And then they can refer it over to a colleague who might be more expert in that field.And quite often, GPs, as it stands, and you know, you can speak to Dave Cartland about this, the amount of training they get in nutrition, for example, is actually pathetic.Whereas we know gut health and good nutrition is such an integral part of our health overall.So these hubs work differently. You don't see GPs often referring to anyone who will take a common sense, natural approach, if I'm honest, whereas these practitioners are encouraged to do so and they do.We've even got some groups who are creating, buying buses.and they're going to go around their local community and stop certain days each week for a few hours so people can access them, particularly those in a rural environment.That is one of the beauties of this. It is about empowering people to make decisions for what their community needs and doing it together.[17:21] And it's happening. We've got 30 counties now involved. We've got 30 hubs set up that serve in the community.Even if they haven't got a physical hub, there's virtual hubs. There are, like I say, the bus option.Some people are going and hiring a village hall for two mornings a week and just having a drop-in[17:36] situation where people can come by. So each one looks different and actually we love that, because this really is for people to create what they need for their community. Not be dictated to by somebody who doesn't go to their community and doesn't understand what's there or what the issues are. This is about the people identifying what they need and stepping into their power and creating it for others within their area.
 
It's a very different, it's an approach, a holistic approach I guess. We've come to reassess a lot of things, but I think for me it dawned whenever you were told, go and get your jab and you can get a doughnut. Okay, so how is that going to improve? And there is absolutely no focus or emphasis on healthcare, on nutritional value, on exercise, on physically looking. It was all get a jab, off a substance, and will make you all better. But I mean, tell us about that integrative approach, that whole approach, that connecting so many things, because that is maybe it's going back to what it was traditionally.[18:41] Or maybe it's reassessing and a new model going forward. But yeah, I mean, tell us that kind of connect approach, because that again, it's a departure from our traditional understanding of the NHS or healthcare.[18:56] Yeah, no, absolutely. Common sense, common sense is something that's brought back in. You know, back a number of years ago, decades ago, you know, your nan and your mum that have a kitchen cupboard full of natural herbs and teas and things that you could use tinctures to support your health.And we know the preventative way is the ideal way forward, let's be honest.So we do a huge amount in terms of education. It's available on the website on kitchen cupboard type[19:25] medical healing things you can do and so on and so forth.But what, for example, our health optimization program, which is on our website, I mean, anyone can take it up with stages one and two, but what it is, it's to help deal with the injured.And we take a very natural approach. but actually we look at things like gut health, stress, sleep, all of these different areas that actually anyone can go and look at the health optimization program and take something from it that will help build your immunity, but it's based on a natural common sense approach.And everything in our bodies is interconnected. We know that. So we also supply non-medical options for dealing with injuries that have been proven to replicate what you can do with certain pharmaceutical items. So we very much try and take a natural approach across the board. But we also don't deny the fact that there are situations whereby people do need to have an allopathic approach to their health and we absolutely welcome that.[20:28] But in terms of that preventative approach, we all have a responsibility to do something for ourselves. We've been led down this road based on fear over a number of decades about our health.The government across the world and the pharmaceutical companies have done an excellent job in letting us know how brittle we are, how likely we are to break, you know, and actually[20:50] that isn't the case. If we change the way we live and this is why it has to be an all-round the clock approach to how we move forward as societies because you know you've got the economic side, of things that makes a difference to how people's health looks, the societal differences across the board depending on where you live, on what you can do with your health and actually no we need to get, I hate to use the word equity, equality if you like, across society to deal with this because you've got mental health, you've not just got your physical health, we've got masses we need to do.And we have to see societal changes and that starts in your community, that starts with you people out there. So yeah, that's the kind of approach we take, but we're not here to dictate, we're here to guide and educate.
 
I guess ideally you'd want a system where people financially put in. I mean, when you think of the American model, in theory, that should work where you have an insurance scheme where you have something you pay in because what we pay in in our taxes doesn't seem to get anything out for the NHS and that's no longer free at the point of service anyway.So ideally you want something where you have more and more people becoming, I guess, paid up members who you pay. We pay subscriptions for many services so I don't see why we shouldn't pay it for access to health and healthcare we can trust. I mean, is that where because everything needs funding to make it happen. So tell us about that side.[22:20] Yeah, so that's the more difficult side of it, if you like, but it doesn't need to be hugely difficult, but it's a mindset shift. That's the biggest challenge is the mindset shift. So, for example, I was interviewing Dr. Kat Lindley this week, that'll be out soon. And we were talking about different models that doctors who leave the NHS can take in opening up their own practice within their community.And one of the model that Kat works with is[22:43] her patients pay a it's a sliding scale depending on what age you are and you pay a certain amounts each month. Now what that does is give the doctors the security of the financial income but she just makes herself available 24 seven.She doesn't just give a pill for I mean she takes a very holistic approach to how she deals with her patients and you would put Kat in the GP category I suppose in the UK.But she will, like if they've got the sniffles, are you taking your vitamins? Have you created this soup? What about doing this? You know, very holistic approach. At hub level, the way it works for a lot of the hubs is they're doing it again as a memberships thing. So you pay x amount each month and each hub will work that out, but you pay x amounts each month and you then can access all of the practitioners, for example, or some work on an independent level and they will give discounts to people who are, you know, financially not in a strong position. But what we've got to wrap our heads around in the UK is we do pay for the NHS. We pay quite heavily for the NHS. And what you see within the NHS is a massive amount of waste, huge amount of waste. And on the salaries for middle management, it's just unreal. I mean, we've looked at it. And actually, we could probably provide healthcare across the board, primary, secondary and acute care, for probably about one tenth of what the NHS is costing us right now. It's astounding and so much is wasted.[24:08] But that's because of the centralisation. It's about central bodies dictating to hospitals what they can spend, where they can spend it, who they can buy from and so forth. And actually they have no idea what that community looks like and what it needs. They have no idea what the requirements are on a local level. And as such, you've seen a one size fits all across the board. And that doesn't work. It's proven it doesn't work. If each hospital had control over its own budgets, its own finances, its own way forwards, who they bring in, the employment and so forth. I think we see a very, very different situation, but we don't have it. And until the government lets go of that and takes the power back to the hospitals or the local regions to take care of themselves, you're going to carry on seeing wastage. So don't think you don't pay for the NHS, you do pay for the NHS.I'm not saying the NHS should go, but what I am saying is I would love to see a situation whereby our tax money was allocated to us as people to spend on healthcare as we see fit, rather than us being dictated to and where our money should go.[25:03] Yeah, and we've certainly seen over the last three years, not just destruction on the NHS, on our health service, but also on health, people's health.When you're told stay at home, don't get any exercise, you don't really want to visit your daughter, it has a massive negative effect and then get jab with experimental jabs, another impact on health.So what this is, is needed, I guess, more than ever that nothing is working.The health service system is not functioning and people's health is in a much worse place than it was.And then you've got crazy, crazy waiting lists. And then you've got a supposed phone call with a doctor who will then someone somewhere will tell you without actually seeing anyone.The whole system is broken. tell us that impact on I guess healthcare since COVID and then the response to that.[26:03] Yeah, I mean, it's been dire. It's been absolutely dire. And we're seeing obviously with injuries, increasing issues across the board. It's a very difficult time for people. And I understand why people are frightened, people are worried. But actually raising your hand and saying, I need help right now is the best thing you can do. But I think we also need to bear in mind, It's not just been the physical health impact, a massive issue is the mental wellbeing. I mean, I cannot[26:31] express heavily enough just how much of an impact has taken place, even on those that are awake and aware and have seen it of what it is. You know, it's added a massive mental strain. And one thing that we're doing is working with partners across the UK. One in particular, our mental wellbeing ambassador, a lady called Helen Gibson, is currently beta testing, train of trainers on mental health first aid. So we're going to deliver that across the UK and train people like secondary level practitioners and so forth in how to deliver mental wellbeing first aid. It's going to be profound. And as people wake up, which they will, as people wake up across the UK, what we want to do is avoid any risk of kind of societal collapse because people just don't know how to cope. They don't know how to move forward. And this has affected our young people as well. This is not just us adults, our young people have been affected. It's incredibly important that we put a huge amount of onus and focus on how we can heal people on the mental side of things, how we can work with them to support them through that.And we need people across every single community getting trained in mental wellbeing first aid so we can catch them when they fall. Because this is about us, don't let the division come into this.That we've all got to help each other. We know who the bad guys are. They're the ones who should be getting our[27:44] anger, I suppose we want a better word, but no, we've got to put some onus here, not just on the physical wellbeing, which needs a lot of work, but on the mental wellbeing as well.But again, it's about education, it's about taking it back to basics, it's about good nutrition, good sleep, good gut health, you know, really start to take care of yourself, taking the good vitamins that you need.All of that's on our website and it's going to keep building and keep building those resources and education.But there are specialists out there, there are experts out there in this field.Go and find your local practitioners on our directory, on our website, and reach out to them.And if money is an issue, the amount we speak to who say, just put a little donation of what you can or let's just work something out moving forward.I've got one lady who happily will see her patients with a dozen eggs or something else in return.So don't be put off by the fact that they are private practitioners.Reach out because I tell you what the ones I'm speaking to are incredibly generous and kind.We are all here to help each other and we mustn't lose sight of that.[28:49] Let me focus on that a little bit more because I remember talking to David the first time I interviewed him and realizing, I think it could have been actually after the interview, realizing that we need a separate system that actually offers healthcare for individuals.And I remember earlier on David mentioning the People's Health Alliance and I've seen a number of initiatives in the US, which are of course always well funded and they can make things happen.We are always working seemingly on a shoestring in the UK where you have the individuals, but not necessarily the finance. America sometimes did the finance before the individuals.But here in the UK, looking on the website, it's not just that you have a dozen or so, GPs or health professionals around the country, but actually you have pages and pages and pages.So, I mean, tell us more about it because what you're building isn't actually on the education side, isn't actually saying, well, if you follow this, you'll be better and we need that. But it actually is about giving that access.And that's something that is desperately needed. And I have been concerned that that maybe wasn't happening, but that is literally what you're doing on the ground.[30:13] Absolutely. One of the most overwhelming things that happened when we, well, prior to us actually launching, was we connected with literally hundreds of holistic practitioners. It could be people from a background in homeopathy, it could be reflexology, it could be nutrition, chiropractor, osteoporosis.So many actually cried with joy that we were doing this genuinely cried with joy because they have been forced into the shadows.They haven't been taken seriously. And these guys, there's doctors out there, naturopathic doctors who are immense.They trained in both allopathic and holistic approaches.You know, the knowledge base out there is phenomenal. And we wanted to give a platform to these guys who want to shine a light on it.They have so much to offer. And because of Big Pharma and, you know, the NHS approach and so forth, they haven't been given the opportunity. I think you can still get homeopathic treatments paid for through the NHS in Scotland, but you can't in the UK and yet you used to be able to. But that's been taken away now. And these guys are incredible, absolutely incredible. They have so much to give, they are so excited to be able to have a light shining on them now so they can show what they can do. You know, we've got some homeopathic doctors who are having incredible success with some vaccine injured, for example. You know, people underestimate what is available out there and the amount of doctors we're seeing like your Sam Whites and others that are coming out of the NHS and actually training[31:38] in a different holistic sphere. So we are now connecting with different colleges and education providers across the UK to get discounts for people through PHAs. So if you're a doctor you want to leave the NHS, maybe you want to take a more holistic approach to how you treat your patients.You've still got the allopathic knowledge there, you're still able to access that, but maybe you want to understand more.[32:00] On the holistic side. So we're keen to get doctors and nurses trained up should they want it in different holistic practices. So it gives them a broader spectrum and knowledge as well as what other practitioners they can do when they refer. You know we want to give as many doctors the options as we can and nurses to get involved with it. But yeah it's been, it's not easy on the financial front because we ask for donations from the public. Great people are very kindly donating, we've got the power of the pound campaign where we ask people to donate one pound a month ongoing, you know, we're very realistic as to what's going on out there and what people are up against. But yeah, we haven't, in all honesty, we haven't sourced big funding, we haven't gone after big donors at this stage, we do need to do that. But as with everything, it's still relatively speaking, a small skeleton crew that are driving PHA forward. And there's so many hours, only so many hours in the day. But we're not here about big conferences, big marketing budgets, this sort of stuff, we could have ploughed money into that, but we're not, we're ploughing it back into functionality. And we want to plough more back into getting hub doors open. We've got so many hub groups this far away from opening their doors. And it might just be that financial thing, it could be just five grand they need to just flick the switch and be able to get live. So if anyone out there is in a position to donate, please kindly do. We are very transparent with where money is spent.[33:22] We are very frugal. And that's probably down to me. I've been a single mum for 25 years. You watch where every single penny goes and you use it in the most optimum way to have the biggest impact. So yeah, finances are difficult but we're not going out there getting money from Big Pharma. Integrity is key and we tend to lead by example.
Let me just show people where, because I didn't actually believe it until I was looking through your website. Many people talk about what's possible and give you a great spiel, then you realise the substance doesn't actually back it up. But if people go on to the website and click on the practitioners, you can get a map, you can put in your details. And as you can see, it is a lot of... We could go one by one, we could take maybe a few hours, literally, you can scroll down and people are there. So people could just go, they can put in their postcode and I looked and there are a number near me actually, just did a search while we've been speaking. But people can go, they can put in their postcode, they can put in their area and they can see and they can contact someone directly. Is that how it works?[34:40] Yep, absolutely. So we are just updating the hub list, which will be live hopefully by the end of the weekend. We're actually updating the whole website at the moment as we've worked out better ways for us to work. So and bear in mind, the majority of everything done through PHA is done by volunteers. And so that's why this is such a phenomenal success People aren't here making bundles of money. This has been done by the will of the people. But yes, you can go onto the map, go and look up a practitioner, you might have a particular modality that you're looking for, for example, you know, you might want to find a nutritionist. So you can go and find who is in your area, we make no promises, we make no, you know, anything outside of that. Because one thing that's happened as well, we want to encourage is people to figure things out for themselves. For so long, we've been spoon fed intentionally, we've been spoon fed on how we need to work our lives, who we need to go and see how things should be. And we're breaking the mould here, we're saying no, think for yourself, Find out what works for you.So we're doing lots and lots of Zooms and round tables with various members from different modalities.So people can start to learn, well, what's the difference between this and that type of modality?What works for me? It's about choice. It's about option. It's about you deciding what you need, not being told what you need, but you deciding what works for you.And we want to encourage that. And the practitioner directory is a great place to start.These guys, they've been checked.[36:03] We know they're legitimate, but it's over to you. It's over to you to take control of your health, be responsible for your health and use these practitioners to support you on your health journey.And, you know, one day we might have to come into secondary and acute care, but hey, we can start with primary care now because it's not costing us bundles of money that we don't have.But yeah, there's bigger plans. But unfortunately, we're going to need money for that and that time will come.
And what you're doing is needed. It's not just a one off thing, supposedly in the last few years of chaos and then it goes back.There is no going back to normal. This is the normal where we have seen actually some of the institutions as being against us, as being the enemy. And it's quite weird when you think that of the government, of the police, of the legal system, of the health system, not actually for you or working with you, but they're there for others. But so what you're doing is, is long term. It's not just, you know, over the last few years with COVID, well, we needed something, but now we're getting back to normal so we can just go back to the systems that we once trusted.They're gone. They're not there anymore. So what you're doing is for the long term.[37:18] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We have to all understand that we are going to need to create new ways forward, be that health, be that food production, be that education, be it local politics, alternative media. There are so many ways people can be empowered and helping to create the new. And as we're watching the old crumble, it's very important we start putting those safety nets into place because what we don't want to see is people full of fear, people full of worry that actually what now, the NHS is crumbling? What do I do? What do I do? Don't worry.All right, you've got the NHS still, it is still there, but it isn't necessarily a sustainable model right now.We're building for the future, not just us, other groups across the world.There's incredible authentic grassroots groups across the world doing fantastic work.And a lot of those will be highlighted on my new podcast. But, you know, there are community groups out there already doing it.[38:09] PHA has had such an impact that we've got hubs open in Australia, New Zealand.I mean, those two countries have been absolutely flying along.They're already open.They're working in less than six months. It's astounding. We've got groups opening up now in Portugal, Spain.Canada's not far away. It's really taken hold. And I think the reason it works so well is because we are not dictating what you should do.We're supplying you with bundles of information, resources, ideas, blueprints, all the rest of it, for you to go and create what you need.We've got a few very simple principles. We ask people to buy buy, like do no harm, for example.Very, very simple, but key ones.And it's over to you. You can do this. Don't think for a minute.You're only being told you can't do it by either your own mind or the government.Don't listen. You are more than capable of doing it and we need to build the future.And PHA is a solid part of that.[39:02] And the community action, the community hubs, it's going back to what it traditionally was and not just during COVID where we were told, stay away from each other, that people are bad.And therefore put that massive divide and destroyed any interaction and connections that people have.I mean, that kind of moving away, that losing connections with your neighbour or family or friends, that's been happening anyway, but COVID certainly has sped that up.So I guess it is essential and important that these community hubs go in place because they will provide that.I mean, when you go to your GP, you go there, you feel as though you're going to get more sick because the people you look around you and you just want to get out of there. So it's in and out.Again, what you're talking about with community hubs, with those networks is somewhere where you go for just more than actually to fix your health issue.It's about those connections and networking.
Yeah, I mean, we're connected to groups like the pharmacy cooperative.So on the PFA side, they're one of our partners.We are connected with some community assemblies. We've connected with a lot of groups across the UK.[40:13] And some of these guys are creating community hubs whereby there's an education element.They've got a PHA hub in there.They've got a PFA side to it or cooperative side to it, where the food's concerned for local food production.I mean, these hubs are becoming quite serious now, you know, and they are going to become the heart of communities and you're absolutely right, we're just producing a blueprint now actually[40:35] with our teams to create youth hubs across the UK and some of these will be adopted by the community hubs. Now our kids have had a tough time, you know, really I can't express enough how much we need to start doing for our young people to support them through it from the mental, physical and spiritual side of their own well-being and these youth hubs are going to be absolute lifesavers for some kids. You know, we've got a lot of young carers out there as it is. I think with the injuries, we're going to see more young carers coming to the fore. We need to take care of our children.And so these youth hubs will be educational. There'll be an escape, a safe escape for kids to go to. At the moment, you go to the park, young kids. What else is there? What really else is there?Screens. Screens. And we've seen the damage that can be caused by a number of social media apps and and so on and so forth. So we want to create environments for the communities to grow, to heal, to benefit on all levels and that includes our young people and these community hubs are going to become an essential part of building the new and moving forward together. Like you say, we've been ostracized from our neighbours and encouraged to have that distance intentionally. I don't believe for a second this is accidental, this is intentional. So you either let them win that or.[41:46] You say no, I'm actually going to go out there and connect with my neighbours, I'm going to go and and see my elderly neighbour who gets no visitors and have a cup of tea.I'm gonna go and look after the garden of my elderly neighbour who can't do it for herself.And hey, what, we'll grow some food for her and ourselves.There are a million different ways you can support the people in the community.Don't think for a second government to come into the rescue.They are not, certainly not the current government we've got.So we either sit back and wait for some sort of white horse that doesn't seem to be arriving, or we get off our butts and we do it for ourselves.And that's what we do. That's what other community groups do.That's it, our partners and affiliates that we work with encouraging people within their community to take back their power, step into it and support each other.[42:24] Yeah there's no one coming to help, it's us or no one. As we finish you dropped in some other things and maybe you can finish letting the people know what they are. You mentioned your podcast, you've mentioned PFFA which is the People's Food and Farming Alliance. I know we've talked before about the Vote Freedom Project, do you want to just touch on those to give us a flavour of what they are and what people should expect.
 
Yeah, absolutely. So because my heart[42:56] ultimately, historically has been in agriculture and farming, that's where I started my awakening and it's still an issue now. In fact, it's a more of an issue than it's ever been before. So we formed the People's Food and Farming Alliance last September. There's three strands to that of where we support through resources, education, that's grow your own, community growing groups and then farmers and producers. Now the grow your own is self-explanatory through community growing groups. We're connecting with groups out there, groups out there doing it.They are absolutely flying along and we've shown blueprints and models and we continue to do so, how you form a community growing group, why it's important and we connect with partners like the Pharmacy Cooperative and others in order to deliver logistical support in making that happen.We also have a partner like the Open Food Network which can be found on our website where they plot every single producer shop individual who produces food or food products for people across the UK, across the world actually. So you can go and find, similar to our directory, you can go and find who's local to you and you can start sourcing directly. And then the other side of it is supporting farmers and producers in very practical common sense ways through new accreditation systems, on-site butcheries, on-site feed mixes and so forth, because what we need to do is we need to take out the big controlling mechanisms which are the conglomerates and do it for ourselves.So, PFFA is about finding common sense solutions and getting them out there again into the communities.[44:19] We've also now got my podcast All Hands on Deck. That's now just starting off. And what that is, is to give a platform to those community groups and those individuals across the UK who are already making a difference. But they haven't got a big marketing budget. They haven't got a big way of communicating with the world. But that people need to know and be inspired by what is actually already going on. These are the heroes of the grassroots. These are the guys out there, not doing a song and dance about it, they're getting their heads down and getting it done.So if you're that's all just starting off now we've got a few episodes already up that's all hands on deck.[44:50] And the final thing that I'm working on is I've connected with a few people we've produced, we've just started the Vote Freedom project. Now what this is, is actually for me personally very essential. I don't have any faith in any party politics anymore. We've got MPs and would-be MPs across the country who are dictated to by their political party. They have to abide by certain rules, they could be influenced by donors, they could be influenced by the whip. What we want to to see is 650 freedom-loving MPs standing up in the Houses of Parliament in come 2024, who are there to just represent their constituents. A lot of reasons potential candidates go to the parties is because they need the support in terms of standing, the bureaucracy, the paperwork, dotting the i's, crossing the t's, the campaigning and so forth. The Vote Freedom Project will help do that with you.If you are genuinely, authentically looking to stand and support freedom for people across the UK, we'll support you through that so you can stand as an independent and that's what the Vote Freedom Project is all about.
 
Okay so it's all hands on deck and looking at the PFFA and that's just you put FF there instead of the H and Vote Freedom Project. All the links will be in the description whether you're watching or listening to the podcasting apps. Katherine thank you so much for coming on it's really exciting what's happened as I said I first heard it from David Cartland and it's exciting to see when something moves from an idea to actually rolling it out and it's happening.So thank you for coming on today and sharing what's happening.[46:20] Thank you so much for having me, Peter. It's been an absolute pleasure.
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Tina Descovich - How Moms for Liberty is Empowering Parents to Reclaim Education

Moms for Liberty have really put themselves on the map in two short years. Parents have been crying out for an organisation that helps them mobilise a common sense opposition to an increasingly woke education establishment and to connect like minded concerned families. Moms for Liberty founder, Tina Descovich joins us to discuss how it started and how they have grown all over the US to become the most visible group that stands up for parental rights at all levels of government and how this could be replicated in the UK and elsewhere.Join us this episode to be inspired and please share with all the moms, dads, grands, aunts, uncles and friends out there! Tina Descovich has a long record of fighting for students and parental rights in Florida and at the national level. She was elected to the Brevard County, FL school board in 2016. She was selected by her peers in 2017 to serve as Vice Chairman and Chairman in 2018. While on the school board she was a member of The Florida Coalition of School Board Members and served as the organization’s president in 2018. Tina currently serves on several non-profit boards in her community that are aimed at helping children. She and her husband Derek have five children. She is passionate about America and is dedicated to protecting liberty and freedom for the future of all children.Moms for Liberty are Moms, Dads, Grands, Aunts, Uncles and Friends.They welcome all that have a desire to stand up for parental rights at all levels of government.The founders are Tiffany and Tina, moms on a mission to stoke the fires of liberty. As former school board members, they witnessed how short-sighted and destructive policies directly hurt children and families. Now they are using their first-hand knowledge and experience to unite parents who are ready to fight those that stand in the way of liberty. Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government. Their vision is to see Americans empowered and thriving in a culture of Liberty.Moms for Liberty are joyful warriors who stand for truth, build relationships and empower others.Connect with Tina...TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TinaDescovich?s=20Connect with Moms for Liberty...WEBSITE: https://www.momsforliberty.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Moms4LibertyFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/Moms4LibertyYOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2H19eKURyI364Q3Rv-o_5gInterview recorded 22.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up, this time with Tina Descovich from Moms for Liberty. We followed Moms for Liberty for quite a while. I bumped into her at an event over stateside a few weeks ago and it is really exciting what has been happening there.In two years they have grown all across the US, over 100,000 members with 270 chapters, groups all across America engaging with school boards, with schools and getting 270 or something people elected onto school boards. Really exciting. We talk about why they're there, why they're needed, their engagement with political figures. Obviously they started in Florida and you've got Governor Ron DeSantis who's a governor who understands that children must be protected from these ideologies and cannot be sexualised. So talk about how working in a state which understands that to working in states that maybe don't get that and where it's more uphill battle, mention the church and churches engagement with this issue and whether they need to become international. They've done so much in two years and it's an example to us in other countries at what can be done here where we are. So I know you'll enjoy listening to Tina as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
Tina Descovich, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:51] Glad to be here. Thanks for having me, Peter.
 
Not at all. Tina is co-founder of Mums For Liberty.All the links are in the description. MumsForLiberty.org and you can find her on her Twitter handle @TinaDescovich.And were going to talk about Mums For Liberty and I think I look back and you were first selected to a school board 2016. So you've been kind of involved in that whole area of engagement with our children, which we'll discuss why many parents don't. But tell us how you first got involved in that school board back in 2016.
Easy enough. I have two kids at home at the time in public schools. You know, I first got engaged, like most people do, volunteering in the classroom, things of that nature. As my oldest reached middle school, I started paying more attention to what was being brought home in the curriculum and being taught and started seeing some concerning things about American history.[2:50] Started asking more questions. And then here in Florida, in the United States, they passed some law that expanded testing for children. And it was just some absurd law. It was like it was being interpreted wrong locally also. And so school districts were creating these standardized tests, that all students were going to have to take for every grade level in every class. So it was like a massive stressful standardized test for kindergartners to take gym and art. And it was really ridiculous.And so I went down and I thought, you know, I talked to the school board and they're like, And it's not us. We didn't do it. It's the state's fault. And so I called my local representative, and he agreed to meet with me.And I went down there, and he said, we didn't do that. And I said, yes, you did.Let me show you the testing schedule from our district. And he was surprised.And to make a really long story short, the whole law, the policy, the way it was out on the road was changed within 30 days.And it really empowered me, just as an average mom that had a concern, it showed me that I could make a difference.A little bit of action, a few phone calls, and taking time to explain to people what's going on, I could really make a difference in education, in government, in all kinds of ways.So when the seat came open in 2016 in my area to run for school board, by then I had all kinds of issues I was concerned about in the school district.I decided to throw my hat in the ring and run for school board and won my election in 2016.[4:19] Tell us, two years ago you co-founded Moms for Liberty and you've grown rapidly in numbers and in recognition of what you're doing.[4:31] It seems as though looking from far away here in the UK at what you're doing there that many parents were just waiting for an organisation like what you've set up for them to belong to and be part of. Is that a fair assessment?[4:47] I would say 100%. We were watching parents as COVID was happening and schools were staying closed, and parents were trying to go to school board meetings to speak out, to ask for schools to be open, to change how the classes were being streamed into their homes or to talk about forced quarantining of healthy children. You know, most everyone saw they would get their mics shut off. School boards were closing doors and not allowing them in to speak. They were changing their speaking times from three minutes to one minute or 30 seconds or not allowing them to speak at all. And it was really a problem for a lot of parents in this country. And so, you know, we kind of looked, I say we, Tiffany Justice is the other co-founder of Moms for Liberty, and she also served on a school board in Florida from 2016 to 2020. And we have the same experiences. And so when we came off of our terms in 2020, and we kind of were having some conversations and looking at what was was going on, we thought, we know how to help these people really advocate, how to articulate what their concerns are and how to really make change.And so we launched Mom's for Liberty here in Florida. Our goal, we launched January 1, 2021.And our goal was just to kind of be in Florida, help parents in Florida advocate.That's what we knew. In two weeks, we got a call from Long Island, New York.[6:04] Mom said, I really want to start a chapter. I need one here.And I called Tiffany, and I'm like, I don't know anything about education in New York.In the United States. It's very different from state to state, the laws and how education is run and who has authority and control. And so I just said, I don't know anything about it. And she said, Tina, this really isn't about me and you. This is a movement and parents need this tool to be able to organize to make change. And so we said, okay, sure, we can do New York. And now here we are a little over two years and we have 270 chapters in 44 states and 115,000 moms that are actively[6:37] fighting on the ground.
 
How do you connect with that? Is it mainly through the website? You provide resources? I mean tell us how you actually pull that together and make sure those members have, I guess, the tools they need to actually stand up and engage with their school.
We started with no money. We started with $500 that I put forward and I bought some t-shirts that said Moms for Liberty and sold them for a 50% or 60% profit so that I could then build up enough to buy a new computer. I was thinking about it this morning actually, you know, the back bedroom $500 box of t-shirts and a 10-year-old Mac computer is what I designed our logo on and what I built our website on and it would just spin and spin and it was so painful and I remember being so excited when we finally had enough money to buy me a new computer so that I could make some of our graphics.Anyway, I digress a little bit. We worked on our website and social media. We used as a tool to[7:37] connect and recruit people. We have private Facebook groups that we would kind of meet in by chapter. But really, as we've grown, we are very well structured. We're organized by county.We have a chapter chair in each county. They register as a legal entity of Moms for Liberty.They meet in monthly chapter meetings, live meetings they're required to if they launch a chapter to actually have physical meetings where people show up.And they have an agenda to follow. They put together an agenda and it always includes reviewing what the school board is doing in your local community.And so we make sure you get eyes on that. And honestly, the minute anybody looks at a school board agenda, there's all kinds of things to stand up for and fight.So there's plenty, there's plenty there to do. We have monthly meetings via Zoom nationally where all the leaders of each organization get on and that's where we do a lot of our training.We've been traveling to states and doing state leadership trainings now that we've grown so much. And then annually we have our National Summit, which is just a, I can't even explain what our National Summit is like.We have 30 breakout sessions of training from everything, how to run from school board, how to run a campaign to issues like gender ideology, critical race theory that are facing us. We bring in experts. It's just, it's an amazing time. So that's going to be the summer in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And we're really looking forward to that.[8:58] What, what was it that kind of started you on this road? Was there a particular issue? Because now we're seeing a whole mass of issues which are impinging on, I guess, parents' right to parent and the state is pushing a lot of things that many, many parents are massively concerned about. But for you, was it a certain topic that you'd seen or a paper you'd seen that sparked off, you need to get involved?
 
So I, when I ran first for school board, one of the four key things I ran on was parental rights because I saw then that there were real concerns about school districts and higher levels of government making decisions that parents should be making about their children.[9:43] And it was the trend was not was not in parents favour of how that was going.Once I served on school board, I learned so many other things.And I can speak for Tiffany, my co-founder, because we have the same story when we say this.Once we served on school board, we saw not only the entities like school districts and state and local governments making decisions on behalf of children that parents should be making.We saw how much power teachers unions have in making decisions on behalf of children and families.And it was, it wasn't a pretty sight. Neither one of us liked it. We had to try to, and when you're serving on a school board, you can't push back against the teachers union. It's your job to be impartial. It's your job to bring everybody to the table for negotiations.There's it's really a complicated situation and you are ultimately the judge if there if the whole process goes to impasse And the district is fighting over salary with the union.[10:35] You're you have to be an impartial judge and act at that capacity So you're really cut your hands are tied on the work you can do in that area, So, you know once I was no longer on the school board I was able to I guess sing like a bird about about how government entities are stepping on parental rights and how unions are are really have way too much power in public education for a very long time.And so those are the things we focus on. Our mission, I'm not sure if I've stated that yet with you, but our mission at Moms for Liberty is to save America by unifying, educating, and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.It's a very specific mission. We stay laser focused, and I think that's why we are so successful.We have a very clear understanding that once you lose your right to raise your children, how you see fit, once someone else is able to make decisions on your behalf that you are just adamantly against, all is lost.Like your family's lost, your community's lost, and for us, America will be lost.
I think one of the strap lines used a lot is we do not co-parent with the government.I love that, because that...Makes you step back as a parent and think, well, that's true.Well, what right of the government?Because I think we have, in many countries in the West, we have entrusted our government too much and trust that they will do the right thing because you think the best of others.But I love that strap line. Would you not co-parent with the government?[12:04] Yeah, Tiffany first, I think, said that before Mom's Liberty was even born.She said it on her school board in a school board meeting one time.And so she brought that to the organization.We picked up on it. Our best-selling shirt for the first year was, we don't co-parent with the government shirt.We still have signs, and we use that, because it really defines what we're trying to say.And when we speak about it, we say, I will partner with my kids' teachers, 100%.We want to partner to help my child to be educated and be a better person.But we do not co-parent. You are not the parent. You're not the final say.I'll partner with you to make things better, but the final say is me.
And I think all it does, we talk about the culture wars. There are a lot of conversation about that.And it does boil down to actually the next generation. It boils down to children, it boils down to education.And I think what you're doing is getting to the root of that where often you will see different organizations trying to fight the fires.And it's interesting what you're doing because you are trying to get to the roots of where the issue is, which is educating our children, as only when that can be solved, then we can actually begin to win this.So yeah, I think what you're doing is central in regards to that.[13:22] In America, our NAEP scores, which are global test scores, came out last year.And America's scores were dismal at best.We have the worst reading scores that we've had since the 1980s and the worst math scores that we've ever had in the United States of America.Something is terribly wrong with our education system. People have known it instinctively for a while.Nobody's been able to really articulate the problem or, you know, hasn't just just haven't done a good job at articulating the problem.And then what we saw in 2020 with a lot of riots in our cities, a lot of racial tensions happening, it became even more clear, like, something is really, what is happening?People just couldn't quite figure out, how do we get here? How do we get to Antifa rioting in our streets?And how did this happen?And Tiff and I were like, we know how this happened. And so again, how do you stay silent?How do you go home and just take your kids and make dinner when you know you have the answer?And it's unfortunate.It's unfortunate. Our schools in America are so focused on social justice.They're so focused on all these issues that have nothing to do with reading and writing and arithmetic.And it's showing, it's showing in the test scores. It's showing in the riots in the streets.And what our chapters have found when they've really dug into curriculum, and assignments that have come home.[14:51] Is that there's a lot of anti-American rhetoric in our curriculum that we're teaching children.So why are there riots in the streets? Well, for the last 20 years or so, there's been anti-American curriculum.And so the students are getting these messages in public schools for 12 years that America is systemically bad, that our systems are broken, and the only way to fix them is to break them down completely and rebuild them.Parents don't believe that. That's not what I was taught in school.It's not what I believe now.And yet I send my child off and they're being taught that for 12 straight years.And so that's why there's riots in the streets.[15:27] We have exactly the same where children are taught to hate British life, British culture, British history, British empire, that's all bad and there's a rush to rewrite it. And that focus is really strange. I guess back in the day, if you look back other generations, people got involved in teaching. People wanted to be teachers because they wanted to make sure schools were doing well in arithmetic and writing and reading and there was a focus on that.[15:58] You sit back and look at it, how has that changed from you say it is now a focus on social justice and away from the basic building blocks which it's always been, teachers wouldn't really have brought their opinions in necessarily, it was simply to make sure the children could do the best at those, the three R's we call them, reading, writing, arithmetic.How has it changed so massively from that focus?
 
There's a couple answers I think here.One is the teaching colleges have, I don't think a lot of our teachers recognize that these are opinions that they're teaching.This is what they've been taught. That's why I say this has been going on for decades for us to get where we are.[16:44] It's what they were taught in school now. We're a generation behind.And then it's in the textbooks and curriculum that's handed to them.And why would they think any different?And so I can really see a glaring difference between older, really well-seasoned teachers right now and the new teachers that are coming in.And the new teachers, they're the ones coming straight into the classroom and saying, and they think they're being open-minded.They think they're being more inclusive and more accepting. But the new teachers that are coming out say, please tell me which pronoun you would like to be known by, you know, and the older teachers were like, it's a boy or a girl, I'm not doing this game. And unfortunately, the older teachers are starting to retire and all of our teachers are being replaced with the ones that just came out of teaching college that were taught the right thing to do on day one, the fair and the just thing to do is really ask their pronouns, not only on the day one, but every morning because know, they can change from day to day.[17:44] We've had a massive push on that. We've had a situation which has exploded, which is the biggest gender reassignment clinic for children here in the UK, which has now been shut down.Tavistock has now been shut down. In March, there are up to a thousand parents who are taking the government to court over it.But again, I'm thinking, when I look at it kind of politically, that's all happened under, in the UK, a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years. And it's curious because you used to think a conservative government used to conserve, used to keep those traditions, and yet, a lot of this confusion has happened under them. And as much as I think I would like to lay it at the feet of the left, of Biden, of the left of the UK. It seems to be that a lot on the[18:44] supposed right have also become confused and afraid to stand up for what is right. Is that kind of what you've seen as well?
 
Yeah, they're not confused. They are afraid. So, and I do lay this at the feet of the left. Absolutely. That's been their agenda. They are the the ones pushing it and they are the ones that have had a plan for decades to change and reform society into this. And it is working. What you can blame the conservatives for and the average American or British citizen that just wants to get up in the morning, go to work, come home, have dinner with your family, just average normal people is they don't want to be called a bigot. They don't want to be called a homophobe. They don't want to be a hateful person. And who does? Nobody wants to be that. And most conservatives, at least in America are just like, nice, mind to themselves, maybe go to church on Sundays, just want to spend time with their family. They don't want to be attacked on social media as a bigot.And so they think, well, I'll just be quiet, let them do them, and I'll do me and it'll be fine. But they have pushed so far, so far now that we can't just let them do them. It's not even happy. It's like they're not even happy. Let them do them. They're infiltrated our classrooms, whole states here in the United States, comprehensive sex ed, I don't want to make a leap on you, but it includes gender ideology.Whole states here, state of New Jersey, has adopted that for all the students in the state of New Jersey.So that means pre-K through third, by the end of second grade, I think.[20:09] Which here is like, what, five, six, seven year olds, they have to understand the gender identities and that it can be fluid.[20:16] That's not you do you and I do me. That's you pushing what you believe in your ideologies on me and my family and my kids. And that's why the final line in the sand for us, we're here, we're at it, we're moms.And boy do our moms take the heat and the criticism. I mean, just go on our social media right now and look at the comments.I delete the ones that have profanity or are really obscene, but I leave most of them up.And they just call you all hateful, hate monger, bigot. I leave those up.And it doesn't feel good, especially and it's your local community, it's your neighbours calling you that, but it's time to stand.[20:51] I think it was, I looked at your Wikipedia page, which isn't always the wisest thing, but I did have to laugh. It said, many have described Moms for Liberty to be an extremist group and they've been designated as a hate group. And I'm wondering, what is hateful or extremist about wanting the best for your children?
 
You know, it's actually been upgraded. It used to to say Moms for Liberty is an extremist hate group.And now somebody invested it to say many have called them as.I'm like, oh, well, at least they know. It's getting better.The Wikipedia page used to be really, really bad. The first time I read it, I was like, oh, my heck.But I don't know how all that works. They have people that keep submitting, and I don't have time to deal with it.So it's just, I'm thankful that it's a little better than it was.But yeah, do I look like an extremist?Am I a hate group? Do I hate anybody? No.It's not even how I function in life. And most of our moms are that way.We call ourselves, I was looking for my joyful warrior hat.We call ourselves joyful warriors at Moms for Liberty. We're gonna fight like that, but we're gonna do it with a smile on our face because this is serious business, but we don't want our kids seeing us angry and miserable and hateful.
Oh, that's a good way to look at it.[22:03] You looked at, tell us about kind of how states work. Cause here in the UK, our model is really, you've got within the whole of England, it's generally the same.You've got local education authorities, which would be smaller kind of areas, and they decide, and they're quite difficult to actually get into and find out what they're putting it out.In the US, you've got a clear demarcation, I guess, and more visible, which is state by state.Tell us how, kind of how much it does differ by states.[22:37] I have a question for you really fast. Are your school leaders in an area, are they elected or appointed?
So we have again, completely different and I have watched the school board meetings with jealousy, a lot of jealousy and envy because we don't have that. We have a small school board of governors and small, you may have maybe half a dozen, But it's not really talked about or publicized.And I know the school one of my children are at. They say, well, there's a five-year waiting list.And it's kind of more cloak and daggers. And it's not really out there where what you do is open.And people can see it. They can engage with it. So here the parents vote.But it's not that well known or publicized.[23:25] Sounds like you need some Moms for Liberty chapters in the UK to liven this up. So here, this is a hard topic for me to talk to you in another country about because I am so passionate about America's form of government. I think it's the best there is, and so I don't want to come off as arrogant or offensive to the British form of government, but I don't know exactly how it works.
Doing what you've done in two years, go for it. Say what you like.
I love our form of government. So first of all, our federal constitution, it basically says that if it's not written in this document, the authority belongs to the states. And so the federal constitution doesn't talk about education. So from day one when America was born, when we broke away from you all, education belonged to the state or even more local, actually. But in[24:23] in modern America, the states have really taken a priority on that.And it looks different from state to state, which is also fascinating to watch how it's set up, how it's structured.But the one thing that's the same and it's truly American is that school boards are elected except for one state, Hawaii.Hawaii appoints their school board for the whole state.And we're working on that because that is a problem for me. That is not American. And so you elect your school board members and the laws and policies that states have put in place.It's just beautiful. I mean, here where I live,all of the curriculum, when you adopt a textbook, you have to put it out publicly for two public school board meetings. You have to notify in your local paper that there's a book that's about to be adopted for your district. You have to stop the meeting, hit the gavel and say, because I was chair of our school board, is there anyone here tonight that wants to speak about this book we're about to adopt? You know, there's much more formal language than that. And you have to pause and then, you have to ask again. By law, you have to ask twice, is there anyone here? And you have to open up the microphone and let them complain all they want or support all they want the books you're about to adopt into a school district. And it's like that all across the country. So our form of government is set up for parents to be 100% involved and drive education in your local community.[25:38] However, I served on a school board. Parents did not take advantage of that, not the four years I was there. And so, you know, I would put out, we're about to adopt a textbook and I will tell you the room would be empty. And, you know, I would put it out on social. I would shout from the rooftops, We're about to adopt a history textbook.I'm just a school board member. I don't have time to review 12 years of history textbooks for every grade level before I adopt them. I need the community to be involved.I need parents to be doing this. And so it's one of the reasons we created Moms for Liberty the way we did.Now we have 115,000 moms and parents around the country that are taking the time to review these things.And they can give the feedback to their school board members.At a very minimum, they're being good citizens. They're participating in the process.And so yes, when you say you're jealous watching the school board meetings, I understand because I love it.It is, that's my like theatre. That's my Hollywood, watching school board meetings.
And you're obviously in a state, Florida, that has taken this seriously. We heard De Santis, I heard him speak the first time the other week over there in Miami talking about what he is doing, his track record, and you sit back and you think, wow, it's impressive he gets it. Tell us about that political engagement, because as you say, some states get it and some states don't.[27:00] Governor DeSantis has gotten it pretty much from the beginning, at least from Moms for Liberty. So when we first launched in 2021, a lot of the districts in Florida were still force masking children. And we were looking at some other countries that weren't doing that and, you know, just our own gut instincts. And my son, who was struggling with mental health issues, and it's just, it wasn't a good fit for him. And so we just, we had, we knew a lot of moms were just really frustrated with this, that they didn't get to decide if their child was going to wear a mask or not.And so our moms, you know, they bought their first Mom's Liberty t-shirt and they would make homemade posters and they would kind of like stalk Governor DeSantis.They would show up, if he was speaking about the economy, they would show up across the street in their shirts and their signs and it would say, get these masks off our kids, Governor DeSantis.And we had political operative type people tell us that is not the way to engage with the governor.It's not the way to engage politically. You guys are never going to be successful, but you try telling a mom that she can't do that, and so everywhere he travelled around the state, our moms were showing up with these signs.And it wasn't because we told them to, It's just because[28:04] they needed to tell the governor that he needed to help them because their school districts were not listening. And, you know, Governor DeSantis took that in. He would look, see the signs, and then lo and behold, there was some press conference where he was like, uh-uh, no more of this. Parents don't want this. And so he does that time and time again. He listens. He listens to the people on the ground and what they're saying, and then he takes action.And for me, I haven't seen that in the political world happen very often. And so we in Florida are very blessed and at Moms for Liberty we have been so thankful for all he has done to fight for parents.[28:37] And can school boards push back? So they're pushing back maybe what's happening in different states and in Florida it will be easier because you have a administration or government within the state that is more understanding of that and will be just as shocked I guess. But what happens happens if it's a state that, God forbid, anyone is living on the West Coast in California, and it's more difficult there. Do the school boards still have the authority if the parents are there involved to push back on it, or is it much more of an uphill battle depending on the state?
It is definitely much more of an uphill battle depending on the state, because state laws oftentimes direct what's going on at the school district level. In New York, for example, our chapters are really struggling. I mean, they're looking at forced vaccinations, you know, adding new vaccinations that they don't want their children to have. And the state[29:36] would make that law. And once they do, the school districts have to comply. In Florida, school districts derive their power from our state constitution. And so the state kind of trumps authority on most education issues. You know, they don't have the time, the energy or the patience to carry out all the laws and such that they vote in and enact. That's the job of the school board. So when you're elected to the school board position, you actually swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution, which outlines a lot of the education laws, statutes, and policies.[30:10] But it's different from state to state. In other states, school districts have more authority than they do in Florida. They derive their power sometimes from the city or the county. It's very interesting how it's set up. And so we help our chapters navigate through that in their area.[30:25] As we've grown, there's more chapters in each state. They actually form like state coalitions and then work on these things together with resources and tools to understand what's going on and fight it.
 
Can I ask you a question about another political engagement? But there's another side, I guess, which is church engagement. As Christians, we would like to see the church involved. But we've certainly seen here that maybe a fifth of our schools are church schools, part of the Church of England. So it is part of, we don't have any separation church and state.Anyway, that's a whole other issue. But those, the church schools are even worse than the others.And they've jumped into all this diversity and inclusion nonsense. They want all the whole pride displays on different floors of primary school and they're pushing all of that. What's it like there? What's kind of your engagement with the churches or where do the churches fit in to actually encouraging schools or speaking truth within that environment.[31:32] So, are you saying that church schools are also state schools in England?
Yeah, we have a weird mix where, I mean, traditionally schools were set up by the church, if you go back in history, and that has remained.We have a quasi-strained situation where they're set up by churches but still follow the state curriculum.So, it's a very strange mix we have in the UK, but you'd expect a church school set by the state church would actually be strong on biblical values of freedom, but actually often that is not the case and they've been as captured by the left and the diversity agenda as any other schools.
 
Yeah, you know, I'm going to go back to my Americanism here. It's one of the reasons we broke away from you guys was to get separated, you know, but here's the thing, we are returning back to that in a different, almost in a reverse way, because, you know, the woke nonsense is kind of a religion and it's capturing all the public schools. It's seeping over into our private schools. So for us, the religious schools are private schools. And so they can do what they want and how they want and parents pay for to attend those. And so parents[32:44] have a lot more control technically because they would say, I'm not going to give you $20,000 this year for my student to go if you keep that garbage in. And so it's a, it's a much more, you know, you can make it change quickly. But as far as the churches go here in America, you know, I think the consensus is it's been very disappointing. They, many of them, I'm not going to say all of them, but many of them are captured and have bought into this and they're scared and don't want to stand up. They hide behind churches saying that churches can't get involved in politics, they'll lose their non-profit status. So they hide, you know, we left you guys to separate church and and state, and then now they're hiding behind it to be weak, in my opinion.So that's a little bit different than the scope of Moms for Liberty.That's just kind of my personal opinion on what I'm watching here in the US.[33:35] No, no, of course. We've also found that when parents have raised these issues, actually friends of mine have told me that the response from the school has been, if you continue to oppose the gender ideology being taught in a primary school, so for five to 11-year-olds, then we will report you to social services.Those are church schools. So I guess in one way, parents will be concerned and afraid to engage with a school unless there is a backlash.Because you talk about the difference between paying for the education and not here.Generally, it's free.Paid for education is a small minority.But you don't want your child to be thrown out of a good school.And you think, well, maybe I can't get them in to good school.So I can see as a fallacy that maybe some parents just want to keep their heads down and think, kind of cross their fingers and hope it's okay.That's not really a way of dealing with it.[34:32] It's really not. And for even in the UK, like people have to organize. Your voice is always stronger together. One parent honestly can't make, I don't want to say that because I don't want to discourage people from getting involved. You should always stand up because the minute you stand up and are brave, more than likely someone will be brave with you. And then those two will be brave and then that should multiply to four and then to eight, etc. That's what we've seen in Moms for Liberty. But once you get those numbers, even if you don't vote in your school board members, but if you have a school, for example, and half of the parents are saying, this is not going to fly, people start to listen.And so the only way we're going to make change around the world is for parents to pull together and stand up and just say no.[35:17] And it seems to be a really dirty fight that we seem to have a group that are intent on how to go as far as sexually abusing children with teaching them, pushing something at them, which is not right.Whether or not you agree they're not certainly for young children, it's not right. And then you can take a conversation with older children. But that sexualized content shouldn't have any place in with young children. But then the flip side, I remember when it was over last in the US talking to a taxi driver and he was saying, you know, he was talking about the De Santis, and saying, well, you know, I think, you know, children get exposed to a lot the internet and also we need to help them understand. And I said, but do you know what they're being taught? And there's that, I guess, confusion with parents, how they deal with the onslaught of technology. And maybe they do need to learn something and I guess there's a lot of confusion when parents look at and think it wasn't like this in my day.[36:23] I think a lot of parents still don't know and they don't believe it. It's shocking.You know, even when we get called names, when we are concerned about some of these books that have pornography, they say, Oh, you just want to ban books, you guys are book burners. I'm like, Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Actually, like, look, oh, let me show you. Here you go. And so I carry it with me now. And I'm like, Oh, we don't want to ban a book. But let me show you should this be in an elementary school? And I won't do it. Because I don't know if you have any I don't know who who watches your show, but the stuff in here is pornography.It's been found in schools all across our country.It's literally children performing sex acts on each other. And it was on display at a middle school.So for 12 year olds in my community, and it's unacceptable.It is just plain unacceptable. And so call me a book burner, make a meme about me burning books and a fire in my living room.I don't care. I have no desire to ban any book. I think every book should be printed, published, sold, put it in our public libraries in the United States. You can even put it there.[37:21] But don't put it in our schools, especially when only one third of American children are reading on grade level.There is no need for this trash to be in there if kids can't even read.This literally has like, oh gosh, I can't even show you. It's cartoony drawings.You know, it's ridiculous.
And yet I've seen some school board meetings of parents reading out some of this and them being told stop it because it's not acceptable to read that out with adults.Yet it is acceptable for children. I don't know how we've got to that level of confusion where adults say that's wrong with adults, but it's fine with children.
 
Truth is under attack. You know that.[38:01] I know that. There is no truth anymore. I mean, there is truth, but people are so confused about everything. They don't know what to believe anymore. You know, when you don't even, when the Supreme Court justice on the United States Supreme Court can't articulate what a woman is, we are in a deficit of truth. And so everything is meant to be confusing and what we need are people to stand up and say, I know what's right. I know what's wrong. I know what truth is and say it loud and clear and boldly.
Look in the future and how you're growing Moms for Liberty. You mentioned about having international groups, UK groups. I mean, as you grow, you've gone much past Florida. So why stop on the US? Are you looking forward to take the model you have? Obviously with different education systems, different countries, there are different ways of tackling it, but what you've done is a model for how to take it elsewhere. Is that something you've thought about?[38:59] It is we've had a lot of requests from other countries Canada, we get like a ton of requests to start trying to need help. Yeah, Canada's in really bad shape for sure. I think we've had a couple from the UK. We've had them from all over Europe. And here's the thing, if you've got a listener that could help us figure out how to do that legally, I am open to it. I say that, but I haven't talked to Tiffany, the co founder yet. I mean, I've mentioned it to her her once, and she was like, oh, I don't even know how to do that.And so everything we've done so far, we have not known how to do, but we figured it out.Again, like Tiffany said to me when we expanded to New York and throughout the country, this is not ours to keep. This is a movement.This is not my business or my organization. It belongs to moms and parents and to truth and to reason.And so if you've got a listener that knows how to do it, please connect me to them if they reach out to you because I would gladly, slowly expand into other places if people wanted to start.I don't know if it'd be a chapter legally. I don't even know what the legal terminology would be, but I don't wanna keep the movement just to myself.[40:05] Well, certainly to our viewers and listeners, if that's something you're interested in, I would encourage you to certainly email us directly, info at heartsofoak.org or drop us a DM on any of the, you can contact Moms for Liberty directly, but certainly if you're UK based and wanna contact us, we will happily look through those and see what we can do because we've always wanted to facilitate.What are the six states or seven states you're still missing?[40:33] Alaska, no one in Alaska, apparently, is a mom's city yet. And Idaho, which is surprising.It's a pretty conservative state that has a lot of issues, but we don't have a chapter in Idaho yet.[40:47] Maine is a tough state. I know that that one is there. That's three. I'm not sure, honestly.There's some other smaller states. I don't know off the top of my head.
And as you grow, you mentioned the teacher training colleges and how I guess you're engaging with the parents. But then as that grows, then you will naturally have some look at there are other areas, the education that we can bring this understanding to. And teacher training colleges, Can you see a way of how you can raise people up to begin to get more involved there or how would that work?
I think that's somebody else's job. You know, we have a lot that we do and we are so overwhelmed and underfunded at this point that we try to stay within our scope.There's a lot of work we want to do, especially, you know, we have the knowledge and experience to train school board members once we work to get elected.We got 275 school board members elected last year, but we have no ability to support them once they're elected.[41:49] So different organizations like Leadership Institute have launched a training program.So luckily we were partnering with them. So once our people get elected, we're like, hey, go there and get trained.And then honestly, they need an organization because we have school board member organizations in the United States that then support school board members.But they're woke, they're completely captured. They're radicalized.And so we also need someone to build that. I mean, all these things we could do, but I just don't have the capacity, the bandwidth.I need other people to step up and really each level of this, including working with the teachers. I mean, we started here for a number of reasons.[42:28] If we can get the kids, get the stuff out of the schools at a young age, and then they get to the teachers college, if it's still woke when they get there, at least hopefully they'll be able to think critically enough to think past some of the stuff they're being taught.
Okay. To finish off, probably a quarter of our listeners are US based and maybe a third of our viewers.If someone is sitting in the US and watching or listening to this and think I wanna get involved, what is the best way for that?
Go to momsforliberty.org and hit join the fight. It's very easy.
Okay, that is simple and straightforward. We will leave it at that.. Tina, I appreciate your time.Thank you so much for coming along and sharing with our viewers and listeners what you're doing with Moms for Liberty. Thank you.
Thank you, Peter. I appreciate the conversation. Thank you so much.

The Week According To . . . Dominique Samuels

Welcome to our regular look back at the news, media and talking points from the past seven days as we roll out the red carpet for our guest this episode, a true free speech crusader, Dominique Samuels.Dominique is one of the top young UK political commentators so we look forward to her informed analysis on some of the stories and issues that have caught our attention this week including.....Protect the Kids: Drag Queen Story Hour in the UK.New Zealand: Records biggest rate of excess deaths in 100 years.Vaccine Injuries: Has the dam now broken? UK Immigration: Are the authorities taking the piss? Laughable questionnaire being handed out to channel migrants/Invaders.Conservative Chaos: 'Assassins' who knifed Boris now feeling the heat themselves.Low Traffic Neighbourhoods: Traders being sacrificed on the 'great green altar'.Roald Dahl: Original books to be kept in print following criticism.Central Bank Digital Currency: CBDC and the digital pound, A new form of money for households and businesses?Dominique Samuels is 23, born and bred in Manchester but living in London.She is a conservative political commentator, who draws on her knowledge from her degree in Politics with International Relations to inform her analysis and opinions.She has appeared on every mainstream media news channel including the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News, with regular appearances on GB News and Good Morning Britain.Dominique has also participated in long-form documentaries and reality TV programmes, having previously appeared on Channel 4's The Bridge and BBC documentary series Black and British which was awarded a Grierson Award for Best Constructed Documentary Series.Dominique also does her own broadcasting in the form of live-streaming on social media platform GETTR's 6.5 million users, regularly gaining an audience of up to 11 thousand on her streams.Connect with Dominique.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/dominiquetaegonTWITTER: https://twitter.com/Dominiquetaegon/TIK-TOK: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYAoMGB5/INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/dominiquetsamuels/YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DominiqueTaegon?sub_confirmation=1WEBSITE: https://www.dominiquetaegon.com/Originally broadcast live 25.2.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] Dominique Samuels, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
Thank you for having me this evening.
Not all, and I know you're feeling a little bit under the weather, so we're gonna do half an hour. I appreciate you coming.I know it is like whenever you have an interview scheduled and you don't feel up for it, so I appreciate you coming along.We'll do half an hour and then I will let you go and I'll finish off with some of the other stories.So thank you so much for jumping on.
Thanks for being understanding. It's just one of those, I don't know what it is.It started on Friday, actually, just feeling absolutely knackered.I've been sleeping most of today, to be honest.
Well, that's fine. As long as you don't pass it on to me, because I'm away to CPAC on Monday.
So thankfully, you know. Oh really? Wow. I'm so jealous.
Look, I'll send you the pictures. Don't worry.[1:08] Thanks. Whereabouts in the US do they do it?
 
In DC.
Oh, right. Oh, cool. I remember I went there for a Turning Point USA event in DC.It was the first time that I went there.Absolutely loved it. We went to the White House and we saw Donald Trump and Mike Pence speak in person. It was like this black leadership thing that TPUSA did. It was such a brilliant experience. Unforgettable.
Wow. Well, I'm looking forward to meeting the man himself, President Trump over there and all the speakers. So it will be good fun. But I'll send you pictures and next time you, can come over.
Yeah, no, one of these one of these days I'm going to CPAC definitely.[1:54] Not that I'm the one that invites people. So it's my first time. So anyway, we'll jump in. You can follow Dominique. There's her handle. Of course, you know her from GB News regularly from Mark Steyn show from Iconic from so many things. And of course, her own podcast, her own live stream on Twitter on Getter on
 
Now on YouTube.On YouTube. Now on YouTube. I think the handle is the same on YouTube, but I am sort of in the process of building it up.I recently did a interview with Andrew Bridgen MP, and they did particularly well.Let me just see if, do you mind if I share my screen? Of course you can.Just to promote my little thing here.
On YouTube.
 
Yeah.
So that...[2:46] Could you bring it up? I think I need to bring it up. There you go.Yeah. Right. Okay. So that is my YouTube. It's at DominiqueTaegon. So the handle is the same. And if you want to watch the Andrew Bridgen interview, it's there. Thank you for letting me do my little promo there.
I didn't actually know that a guest could share a screen to thank you've taught me something. Thank you, Dominique.[3:06] Well, I'm quite the seasoned restream user.
 
You are, I know, I know. But yeah, I love that interview with Andrew Bridgen, really worthwhile watching. If anyone hasn't seen it, I don't know where you've been, but if you haven't seen it, then do make sure and watch that. It is absolutely worthwhile. Let's jump in with the news. We've lots of stories to cover and we'll cover these four major ones. And the first one, I know you you posted this Dominique, if it's going to come up, which is about low traffic neighbourhoods.So the link is in the description on most of them. And this is obviously about low traffic neighbourhoods being promoted as supporting neighbourhood businesses and entrepreneurs.Nothing could be further from the truth. But tell us why the whole issue of 15 minute cities has really caught your eye.[4:02] Well, the whole issue of 15-minute cities for me was quite alarming because when you actually do your research and you look on the people that promote these 15-minute cities, you know, slash low traffic neighborhoods, number one, they have a real issue with the private use of cars.So really, there are various studies done by what I call these psychopaths that do look to limit private car use.How do they do that? By making everyone swap out for electric vehicles, taxing people out of driving, that sort of thing. I mean, we've seen that with the Youles controversy with Sadiq Khan, basically just making it costlier and more difficult for drivers to actually navigate. So that's the number one thing that was quite suspicious. But the biggest thing for me was actually they mentioned COVID as this sort of convenient conduit for people to realize that, you know, actually it's so much more convenient for us to be within 15 minutes of each other. And when you actually look at that outside of their romanticized and falsified version, there are thousands, millions of people that really, really suffered during those unscientific authoritarian psychopathic lockdowns. There are people that lost their businesses, people that committed suicide, people that died at home because they couldn't[5:25] access NHS treatment. So this romanticized idea that it made us realize all of these things, maybe it did for the people that are privileged enough to have been able to enjoy that, who were celebrating working from home, but for the people whose businesses relied on[5:42] society operating normally, that's not quite a rosy picture, is it? So it's no surprise with that article that you referenced, that various studies showed that in terms of customers returning to these businesses.It dropped extremely low. I can't remember specifically, but I think particularly in Oxford, because of all of the basically hoops that these drivers have to get through, and Oxford's a touristy area, so people come from outside of Oxford to come and see it because it's a beautiful place, they're just not doing it anymore. Because what is the point? It's too expensive, there's nowhere to park, and it's basically just hostile towards the revenue that many businesses rely on.And that's the real difficulty. Small businesses do not benefit from 15 minute cities.
And I mean the whole thing, congestion charge in London being rolled out, I think it's seven days a week.And that is a massive impact. And where I might think maybe jump in my car and go somewhere,Actually, I don't do that. But Projam, could you bring up the demo that there was a demo, obviously Oxford has been the one that has been pushed.And I just want to bring up this because it's the European Conservative and this is it.[7:00] Thousands protesting in a 50 minute city in Oxford. If you just scroll that down and there were massive, I watched some of the videos and huge groups of people and I was a bit jealous I wasn't able to get there. But it shows there is opposition because sometimes we'll be told don't worry, this is a conspiracy, this is just a small group of those on the right who are angry about this, but actually people are galvanised and opposing this and I saw many of those videos and I thought, wow, this is good, the fight is on, bring it on.
Yeah, about 2000 people, probably more, were there, they turned out, they protested, they demonstrated, Antifa turned up calling them fascists, which is just really odd.I mean, Antifa sort of make themselves out to be these like anti-establishment radicals, but really they're just establishment boot lickers in my opinion.And I mean, who are they funded by as well? Because they've been dotted around quite a few demonstrations, you know.So there was the drag queen story hour demonstration at Tate Modern,[8:16] recently they were there and things got heated because of them.But also most interestingly, the protest in Knowsley, you know, about the refugees in the hotels.So Antifa were allegedly there as well. And apparently they actually showed up and that's when things got violent actually.And it's not an uncommon thing in America. They turn up at protests and those protests seemingly always get violent.So interesting. I'd love to know who's dotting them around in the UK because I think it's weird.
Yeah, I mean, it could be hope not hate, obviously been one of the organizations who may be linked to that, but you're right, they do pop up and the violence ensues. And I,[8:59] I would love to try and understand what goes on in their, their heads with this low traffic neighbourhood. I mean, the destruction it does to businesses. If you're a local business, if you're a shop that needs people to come in, but no one can actually drive in and park outside for 20 minutes or in the car park for half an hour and pop in. I mean, it destroys your business.A local business, an independent business cannot operate online and they rely on those people and you see the empty streets and it's heart-breaking, especially post-COVID that they can't recover.
Yeah. And it's like, I mean, what do these, you know, what do the proponents of these 15-minute cities want? Do they want us all to be just completely reliant on corporations? Do they, they want us to just be completely reliant on these massive chains?Do they want us to all shop at Amazon groceries?Because Amazon has grocery stores around the UK now.That's a really interesting question because all of the lefties that claim to be all anti-capitalism, oh, you know, let's be organic and independent.A lot of the things that they are screaming and shouting for destroy small businesses.[10:09] Yeah. Well, they haven't thought this through. I think that's working out Dominique. There was another story which I know you had posted on this roll down. This is a BBC story today actually saying that seems as though they're backed down.This is original books to be kept in print following criticism. So scroll down Pro Jam, and there was an attempt by the publishers to rewrite many of the books. They had issues with a whole range of the phrases. What they didn't like, female and they didn't like fat, they didn't like ugly, they had a whole list of words. But it looks like common sense has prevailed in this at least.
Yeah, you know, that is the wonderful thing because common sense seems to be quite scarce in Britain today, but[11:07] I mean, let's just be honest, there shouldn't even need to be two additions in the first place, in my view, although this is a positive thing. You know, it just makes you think if you are offended by male cloud men and male non gender neutral umpah lumpahs, because these are some of the changes, by the way, guys. So cloud men in James and the Giant Peach are cloud people.Umpa Lumpas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are gender neutral.In Matilda, Miss Trunchbull isn't a female, she's a woman.Now I have my suspicions about that because of the new definition of what a woman is.Being a woman can be anyone that puts on a skirt and decides that they are one.But female is a very distinct thing, which is obviously why they've chosen to take it out.Boys and girls aren't allowed in, I think it's the hungry crocodile.Crocodile, it's instead just children.Now the publishers said that they have a duty to protect children from offensive content. What is offensive about a cloud man?What is offensive about male oompa-lumpa? It literally makes no sense.And if you're offended by that, I would suggest, you know, you should probably, take a long hard look in the mirror or alternatively get a grip.But I'm glad that now we can actually vote with our feet and choose what we want to read instead of it being dictated to us by this insular group of people that are clearly very disconnected from reality.[12:37] Yeah, because you can have the the woke section where people who are offended by everything they can shop and then we can have the normal one for the rest of us.[12:45] Normal people to read.
 
Yeah, the normal section. But I was interested to see the people responding. So, you know, Ricky Gervais, who you'd expect to jump into something and cause some heat. And he jumped in on this.And then Camilla is being kind of lauded as the one who stepped in and told authors to think remain true to your calling. I thought that was a curious intervention by the Royal Family.
Yeah, it was a curious thing, positive nonetheless, but I'm not going to be sitting here and being like, oh, yay, you know, all of a sudden we've got an anti-Woke Queen consort and King, because all they do is churn out Wokeism. And perhaps it's because of their offices, you know, their PR offices, they think that if they subscribe to all these mainstream sort of left-wing causes, for example, the King's coronation is apparently all, it's all going to be about refugees and NHS workers and LGBTQ.These, you know, these groups[13:52] on the large part think the monarchy represents something really pernicious and nasty and backward about Britain. So the idea that, you know, he should be pandering so strongly to these groups, I think, is counterintuitive. But nonetheless, it was good to see the Queen consort actually saying something good, rather than something woke. My suspicions, my, I suppose, little theory would be that this intervention was to get people, I think, back on their side that feel a bit alienated by the monarchy as of recent because King Charles, I mean, they obviously know what's being said on Twitter online. They know that King Charles is sort of being looked at as the woke king. So it's a helpful intervention.[14:37] I'd love to know if conversations were had before and already the publishers had agreed and then Camilla comes out and she's treated as a savior. You don't believe anything these days. So I wonder what happened behind the scenes.
Yeah. I mean, the press were briefed. I know that. The press were briefed that it was about the Roald Dahl saga. Like it was specifically about that. Although she purposely didn't mention it because obviously they're supposed to be neutral. They did make a point of briefing the press. So make of that what you will.
Exactly. Lets.... Drag Queen Story Hour for children,There have been a lot around this issue and it keeps happening.I don't know, can you play that video, Pro Jam, as we have it in the background?But this, again, another one of these...[15:29][15:37] Okay, well, let's go enough with that. I don't even want to watch that. But this in South East London, it's the whole issue of children engaged in this. I mean, you've spoken about this a number of times, Dominique. Tell us your thoughts on this whole issue, which seems to be springing up more and more.[15:57] Well, you know, drag queens Story Hour imported from the US as a most really bad woke ideas.Been imported from the US, it's spreading like wildfire across the UK. As I mentioned previously, there was that protest outside Tate Modern against the drag queen Ida HD. She was hired to read to kids. Even with this particular drag queen, Ida HD has quite a checkered past when it comes to certain friends that Ida has supported online. For example, there's one called Darren Moore, who died recently, who was a convicted child rapist. He was convicted in 1999 of raping a boy under 16, four counts, and was then convicted in 2011 for breaching his sex offenders order, because he was found to be working with kids as a coach, as a gymnastics coach, I think it was, or a dance coach and Ida very publicly was like my friend, donate to this go fund me so your friend's a sex offender and you're wanting to read to kids that's concerning and anyone that's concerned about that is a far right bigot apparently but in this particular case I was messaged on Twitter[17:17] by a concerned parent basically saying I mean look what's going on in Lewisham it's the at the Honour Oak Pub in Lewisham where that video is from, where you can see a grown man scantily clad, doing the splits in really inappropriate clothing.And when people say, oh, you know, you're just paranoid that this is sexualized.If you go on to the Instagram account, it's been deleted, but there's a video that I did on Instagram actually showing the original post. This drag queen is called Copper Top Queen.[17:51] And in the caption of the Instagram post, it said, wear a mini skirt, they said.It'll be sexy, they said.And as you can see in the video, the drag queen is like hinching up the skirt to do the splits.Why would you need to look sexy at an event involving children?That's red flag number one. It's inappropriate. And the drag queen featured in that video commented on my Instagram post saying, nothing physically harmful happened to the children, you and your far right views.He's been extremely threatening towards other concerned parents with really misogynistic undertones actually, because most people that are talking about this are women, concerned parents with children.And the thing is, is that I think the UK government needs to ban drag queen events involving children.I mean, as far as I'm aware, it's been done in Florida. It needs to be done here.They're inappropriate. And I'm genuinely concerned about the safety of children where these events are concerned.If you look at the picture and the video, the only people laughing and guffawing and having a good time are the parents.The children look utterly confused because they don't know what's going on.[19:02] And they're probably terrified as well, actually. There was another person that commented on my Instagram post, a childhood survivor of sexual assault, that said, this makes me really uncomfortable.It reminded her of grooming.And it is grooming, because what you're trying to do is you're trying to desensitize children to this sort of overtly sexual and suggestive behavior so that they think it's normal.And what happens, because children's brains are literally like sponges.They absorb information and things that they see, and they mimic them and copy them.What happens when you see children acting like that with each other in the playground?It's disgusting. And I think any parent taking their kids to see things like that should be investigated, to be honest, because how on earth you could think that that is appropriate is completely beyond me.There's another baby cabaret group that I've been directed to.It's called Kababarave. So for anyone that's interested.[20:00] I'm gonna be doing a video about this soon called Kebab-a-Rave.That is a baby cabaret, so it's for babies. It's aimed at babies.And some of the images and the videos I've seen have been absolutely disgusting.Stripper gear, half naked women, men with barely any clothes on doing the splits with all of their legs spread, a Santa strippingwhile babies are there. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm genuinely concerned. I think the government needs to get involved, as do child services, 100%.
 
You've talked a lot about this and tried to highlight this. You've engaged with commentators, but when you look at politicians and how they respond to me, it's a win-win for any so-called conservative.Any parent will be on their side if they say, look, this is not appropriate. Just come up with that statement. And I don't understand. It's not a difficult issue. It's not something they need to work through or put out a group to find out what parents think. I mean, it's normal. Why do you, I mean, how is it that our politicians don't say, look, there's a line and this is not right for children, maybe right for adults and you can do what you like, children. It's quite easy to win-win.
It's easy as pie. And for the so-called conservative party to not be saying something about this.[21:27] And not actually be putting forward legislation, because that's what I want to see. I want to see legislation. If they would have any chance of winning the next election, they need to start talking about things like this, because this isn't just a culture war issue. It's not.This is about a child's safety and a child's sexualization issue by people that think that children need to be exposed to heavily sexualized and suggestive themes and you need to ask the question of why? Why do they want children to be exposed to that? Now I'm not saying all of these people are paedophiles or whatever, although you know it factually has been found that sexual predators have found their way in those organizations 100%. I'm not saying, but the people supporting them, I think a lot of them genuinely do think that this is about acceptance and kindness and inclusion. And it's just not. It's really, really inappropriate. And people like that though, they need to be ignored because they don't know what they're talking about, genuinely. And I'm sick to death of trying to reason with people. Even the people that say, Oh, I mean, pantomime dames.Like, are you thick? How can you compare a pantomime dame fully clothed by the way?[22:44] To a drag queen in literal strip heels and a mini skirt with big fake boobs, gyrating themselves in front of kids. How could you even make that comparison?
I know. I know. You're right. I've seen some of the comments and some of the posts you put up and when you try and engage and you can't get anywhere because these people seem to be intent on sexualizing children.[23:06] Yeah, I know. You've got to ask why? Why is that okay with you? There's something not right there.[23:12] Yeah, completely. Let's go on to, we'll do our final story together and this is on the Central Bank digital currency. This is a consultation paper. It was out the 7th of February, but you put it up and I think it's quite important because we certainly haven't referred to this specific paper. Bank of England, the digital pound, a new form of money for households and business? And this is consultation, the Bank of England. I didn't know the Bank of England did their own consultations. I thought that's a whole other area. But it says the Bank of England and HM Treasury publication, and they talk about the way we use money is changing and talking about using a digital pound. I know you've done a number of things on central bank digital currencies.Tell us kind of why you're concerned. Is this not just the way we're moving forward? Tell us why you're concerned on this.
 
Well, again, I think that argument is interesting about, oh, this is the way things are going now. Because look, the argument has been made. Most of us don't really use cash that much in our day to day lives or transactions. I don't. I use Apple Pay. It's just convenient. But you've also got to ask the question of what is the problem that CBDCs are seeking to be the solution to because we already have the infrastructure in the UK for contactless payments.[24:39] For card payments. That infrastructure has been there. We probably have one of the best infrastructures for these types of payments in the world. So a need for a CBDC is completely different. And the difference is, is that it will be government regulated. So that's, what it is. It's a central bank, central bank digital currency. So banks and by extension our government. I know we say, oh, but you know, the Bank of England is separate. You know, it's separate, but it's not, it's not really. This is like a government controlled currency where they can track all of your transactions. So effectively like sort of the track and trace we saw during the pandemic, they can track all your transactions, see what you're spending money on. And it makes you extremely vulnerable to financial discrimination.So say for example, you've got these psychos talking about, you know, we need to have carbon points. Everyone needs to be attributed a specific number of carbon points.Use too many of your carbon points one day, blocks from making certain transactions.Or if you have participated in a protest that's inconvenient for the government, they can block you from your own money. We saw as much in Canada. You know, remember during the trucker protests.[25:56] And we've sort of seen what the future of CBDC is in places in Asia and Africa.So in Nigeria, there have been riots recently because of a deliberate cash shortage that the Nigerian central bank has triggered. So they've actually had a digital currency since 2021.It's called the eNira. And with this eNira, do you know it's been rejected by about 99% of Nigeria, they've got about 225 million people there and cash is still favored for most transactions. I'm going to have to wipe my nose. One second...
She'll be back.[26:54] But this is a, this is a huge issue and, um, from the purpose of...
Woo.Oh my gosh.[27:12] Sorry about that. I could just see like shining under my nose.
But just to finish off Dominique, because it's the whole issue with digital currency, the whole point of them was about privacy, was about taking control back to the individual, owning your money and not having government control.And this kind of is a perverse way of looking at it. It takes that and throws it on its head and says by the government, we're not going to let you take control of your money.We're going to pull back control. So it's, even when they talk about digital currency, digital currency is about freedom and control for the individual.But this puts it all the way back.
Yeah, exactly.the thing you were right with cryptocurrency, is that specifically Bitcoin, is that it can't be tracked and traced in the same way.But our governments have obviously seen that and want to capture it and again, want it to be for some element of control. So in Nigeria, most of them have rejected the CBDC in informal transactions.So do you know what the central bank did?It created a deliberate cash shortage by announcing that all the old Naira notes were invalid and they had like probably a month to cash in all the old notes to receive new ones. So what you found were people queuing all outside of the ATMs, couldn't[28:35] get access to their money, riots. And then recently the bank announced that they were going to be using a new technology to save this eNaira that's basically failed. And I'm worried that that sort of stuff will happen here. But also I think lastly, the most important point with this is that you can't have a CBDC without a digital ID and you can't have a digital ID without a CBDC because it all comes hand in hand. It makes transactions a lot easier, but it also allows the government to track you a lot easier. And that's why we should also be talking about and speaking out against digital ID as well. Because with this sort of thing, you will have no privacy.And for people that say, oh, if you don't commit crime, then it's no problem.That's not the point.What about people that are domestic abuse victims that need cash, for example, to escape.[29:28] Their partners? What about old people who actually don't understand all of this technology?There are some real issues here that really do disadvantage the most vulnerable in our society. And also..with regards to even the 50 minute cities. What about disabled people as well that actually need to drive and need to use cars to get around? That was something that I meant to say actually as well.
Yeah, it takes away all that privacy, puts full control and your right digital ID is very much part of that. Dominique, I've got to let you go. I appreciate you coming along. Thank you so much. Even though you're feeling under the weather, thank you for jumping along and joining us today.
Oh, my pleasure. I really enjoyed it.
Not at all. I'll carry on and I'll let you go and we'll speak soon.
All right. I'd love to be back.
 
Thanks Dominique.
 
All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye.[30:17] That was Dominique. Let me, I know what it's like whenever you get called in for interviews and you're just not feeling great and feeling under the weather.And I appreciate her coming along. It's easier to sometimes say, no, I'll give it a miss.But I appreciate her giving her time. But there were some other stories I wanted to touch on.This is one that actually I hadn't put on the list with Dominique, but I think is really important.How's my sound Pro Jam? Is that okay? Give me a thumbs up. He was telling me, yeah, my sound wasn't great. Let me try and pull in some comments on, there are a lot of things, a story today that appeared. But let me try and pull in some comments.Something fell in my room. I don't know what that was.[31:09] Robert McKair, one or two Central American countries have adopted Bitcoin as their currency.Yep. Agra Shed. Who else do we have? Pemshed. Tiffengirl. Who I can pull up. Bockels42 noted NWO and WEF. I couldn't agree more. Do drop your comment. Let me know how you're watching, where you're watching with Dominique on if I can pull in some of those. That would be absolutely wonderful. Yes, let me know Bob Moran you cant fix anything if you keep asking for more government regulation. Yep, completely agree. DTaylor7, Evening All on the beginning, Villan 82, Frankie Boyes, great to have you all on. Thank you so much for being with us. This is the story that came up today and I want to touch on. And I'll spin through the other stories.[32:06] This was a story that had Lord Pearson, who is, I have the privilege of working with Lord Pearson in the House of Lords for the last 12 years. And I've also had the privilege of working with Baroness Cox, who's absolutely wonderful, actually was the Conservative Deputy Speaker in the House of Lords back in the day, now sits as an independent.And this is a secret House of Lords circle showed to have worked with the far right.Email blunder, Sparks inquiry a new issues group collaboration with Islamophobes.That could have been my email blunder, could have been Lord Pearson's, I don't know.But if we scroll down this Pro Jam, I want to pull this because it is a story that is done by, well this is The Guardian, but it's basically been done, yep, it's been done by hope not hate or hate not hope.[32:55] So, a secretive organisation, Accused of Collaborating, it's not really secretive, I've been there for many years, has been operating under the House of Lords for more than a decade.It is more than a decade.The organisation called New Issues Group, it's not an organisation, it's simply groups of people coming together under a name, so it could be easily tagged and identified, includes the former UKIP leader Malcolm Pearson and the Tory former Deputy Speaker of the House of Lords, Baroness Cox. The cache of documents, I don't think there's a cache of documents.[33:29] Acquired by anti-fascist group, pro-fascist group, hate not hope, even suggests that a figure who would become one of the UK's most notorious anti-Muslim activists drafted a question to be asked in the House of Lords by group members. I think they're referring to, who are they referring to? I actually lose track. Maybe Anne Marie Waters are referring to. But it talks about this group, which is supposedly a shadowy group, there's Anne Marie's picture. It's not a shadowy group. It's simply in effect a talking house. It's a group that comes together to discuss some of the issues, especially around Baroness Cox's bill to give Muslim women the protections they don't currently enjoy because if they're married, they're not married under UK law, they're married under Islamic law and they don't get the protections they desperately need and require. That has to change to make sure that a Muslim woman is treated exactly the same[34:29] as any other married woman and her husband does not have the right to divorce you, say that three times and she's divorced with no recompense to anything because she's not married under British law. It's absolute travesty that we have hundreds of thousands of Muslim women have zero rights under British law because their marriage is not recognised under British law and the Baroness has been trying to introduce a bill for over a decade and the government refused to put it in because they don't give a damn about Muslim women who have no rights under British law.[35:04] Let's call it as it is. This was the Sky News one.Westminster accounts. Baroness Cox forced to declare financial interest after a leak revealed links to anti-Islam activists. Baroness Cox has taken funding from an American organization run by evangelical, so by Christians.Sky News have got a problem that Christians have donated money to the Baroness to help and all the great humanitarian work that she does all across the world. Wonderful work the Baroness does and she's one of the most active members of the House of Lords I have seen in my over a decade of having the privilege of working there. So Christian groups, absolutely fine. Anti-gay marriage campaigns, well, you've got every right to stand against marriages, not between one man and one woman, no problem. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.[36:04] She holds regular meetings with prominent critics of Islam. I have had the honour of being in many of those meetings and it is wonderful to spend time with great individuals who served this country so well and continue to serve it well into their 80s and they could put their feet up and they could be sipping cocktails around the pool sometime, but no, they choose to come in and meet with others, work with others and do what is right. And yet, hate not hope are angry at these people who want to give back to Britain.
Moving on, I think I'll do a whole piece on that because I was shocked, hate not hope had emailed myself or had emailed Alan. They emailed Lord Pearson, Baroness Cox, many others, finding out what the shadowy group was about, which is simply a collection of individuals, like-minded individuals that want to discuss the issues with radical Islam and the freedoms we have in the West. And when that clash comes together, what happens? And we need to discuss as Lord Pearson has always said, can we talk about Islam? He just simply wants to talk about it.And for wanting to talk about it you get attacked with every label under the sun. Let's move on.[37:32] This story is, this is why I didn't want Dominique to come on YouTube, even though she's got a YouTube channel. I saw actually the YouTube video with John Waters has gone really well. We have to be very careful with videos we put on YouTube. We have to see how we use YouTube properly because it's not a bastion of free speech like GETTR, like rumble on the website, like Twitter is at at the moment. Many others, Truth Social, gab that we use, but not for video stuff.There's so many great platforms available there and we need to know how to use them.But at the moment, we are holding off on YouTube. We need to see how we use that effectively because it is a huge platform, but it's a huge platform that you can't talk about this...New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.[38:28] Let me read that to you again. You can see it. Let that sink in.New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.This should be the biggest story.Biggest in 100 years? Not COVID.[38:47] Not COVID. Something else is happening. Is it the more or less enforced vaccination of an experimental substance that didn't even go through trials with the vaccine group on Diny and Rachel a couple of weeks ago and they talked about the vaccine control group that is there because we have no data on the unvaxxed.We don't actually have any data because it's not divided up.In fact, Pfizer initially started the trial.So they would monitor those who were un-vaxxed, un-jabbed, un-jabbed, that's not even vaxxer, vaccination, let's set that aside, who were un-jabbed with this experimental chemical, whatever went in their arm, and those who were.So those who received the jab, those who didn't.And after I think it was four months, I can be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.If I remember after four months, they scrapped that and they just jabbed all those who were unjabbed as a control.The opposite of what a control group should be. You can monitor those.They scrapped that and people still think this is safe because it's been through a control group and tested.[40:05] Utter bull shit. It is not. And people need to wake up and see this for what it is.Okay, we'll blast through these. The next one, Projam, even Fox News is now covering vaccine injuries.I think we'll...[40:29] Let's play this. Do you wanna? I've got Dominique still up. Apologies.Pro Jam, do you wanna just play this? Can we play this?
As we told angle viewers in February of 2020, and by the way, at the time when he came on the show to the protestations of Anthony Fauci, we could never, ever trust China on this.We turn now to a COVID controversy of a different kind. My next guest, a physician from Roseville, California says that he's treated more than 4,000 COVID patients.And of those, he says hundreds experience vaccine related injuries, including chest pain, cancer, and in women, menstrual irregularity and even pregnancy loss.[41:12] Dr. Michael Huang joins me now. Dr. Huang, thanks for being with us tonight.....[41:17] Right. Well, not you can get the idea.And it's wonderful that, sorry, messing up with graphics, that Fox News are actually covering this at long last.Someone who said they treated 4,000 patients for COVID and hundreds, they're seeing vaccine injuries.Let's take that as 10%, hundreds, let's say 400, 4,000 for sake of a, or let's say 200, 5%.If 5% of people are having injuries due to vaccine, this needs to be stopped immediately and to be analysed and tested and find out what is happening. That would be the right thing to do. That would be the correct thing to do. That would be the safe thing to do.But it's not the financially prudent thing to do for these vaccine companies. Why should they stop it if they're making so much money? And it's a printing press for them. Health, safety, that's not the main issue. Stopping the spread of COVID, that's not the main issue.The main issue is making money and taking a medical emergency and printing as much money as you can for your shareholders as a limited company. That's what it's all about.I know you know that.I know that. Many of us know that. It's up to us to try and get the word out, especially as these companies push to move away from emergency use authorization to full authorization.I saw an application yesterday with could have been Pfizer for one of their updated.[42:47] Jabs and they're moving to get full approval for it.Nothing could be more dangerous although my concern is the damage has already been done through these mRNA jabs fully untested and trialled on children.[43:04] Can't get much more evil than that.
 
On to the next story. This is looking at terrorism. This is a little survey that those who arrive in the country illegally are asked to do. Now the government have failed to get a grip on our immigration out of control but they're going to do a survey, an English survey, and this is going to fix our problem. So have you ever been involved in crime or terrorism? Yes or no. The fast track questionnaire handed the channel migrants seeking asylum. If we scroll down, so this will attempt to streamline the process, migrants will be granted refugee status on the basis of 10 page questionnaire. Can you believe it? Well, it is true. So let me, I'll read some of this. So this seems to get rid of the massive backlog. The questionnaire asks more than 50 questions in total, such as how they reached the UK. If we scroll down and we have, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. The questions, no, no, keep picking it up. Yep. Have you ever been involved in war crimes.[44:17] Crimes against humanity or genocide? No, that's only the British government, I think. Maybe Matt Hancock could answer yes for that. Have you ever been involved in terrorist activities? No, I think that was just Tony Blair wasn't it? Have you ever expressed views at justified terrorist violence?Do you have any documents or other evidence to confirm who you are? No, because they got rid of it because that's how they're told to do it. Have you ever been employed by the military?[44:44] How did you get to the UK? They're asking that. Were you subject to human trafficking?How much did the journey to the UK cost?What question now? Please reply your receipts and we'll refund you.I think that's where we're going. Send us your bills and we'll give it all back to you.Don't you worry. Would you like a new house while you're at it?This is a concerted government. Please, any of you who haven't woken up to this who believe a Tory government are the saviours, they are not. They are the enemy. They are the problem and they are not going to fix this mess. This has happened under their watch, under 13 years of supposedly conservative government, conservative in name only. I don't see any political party actually wanting to, actually do anything about this because you need to be polling. Back in my UKIP days, had to be pulling 15% plus to get anywhere and really about 18% to get a slew of seats in the House of Commons. And even if that happens, you're a small party on the back benches, so there's not much you can do.
 
This last story, I'm not sure if we can bring up, purging of the assassins. A story on the end there, looking at the Conservative Party and how they choose those who will stand.[46:11] And this story goes one way, but I want to take it a slightly different way.And I think we'll finish off on this.Purging of the assassins as local conservative parties pick their next candidates for the next election, many of the 60 or so MPs who knifed Boris are feeling the heat themselves.This is the process that for the next general election, an MP needs to get the vote, the permission to stand as a candidate for their local conservative constituency, local conservative grouping. They can't just do it themselves and just because they're an MP doesn't get them right to stand as a conservative MP in the next election. Strange quirk of British politics. And they have to go with cap in hand and say, please, Conservative Association, please allow us to stand again. And more often than not, of course, the answer is yes. But It can be a way that the local association can punish the MP.And I guess a way of making, keeping that connection between MPs and their constituents, their local party, those on the ground and not just the, the high up part of the concerted party.[47:24] So in theory it's a good idea, but all this is about poor Boris.And it's interesting how some of these people will fare because I am assuming that many conservative associations are angry at how the conservative party have run roughshod over freedoms and civil liberties.They may be angry at how vaccinations were forced on many, the NHS, the health system, many others.It was enforced upon them and they would lose their jobs if they didn't get it.A lot of anger and little Rishi Sunak.Richie, Rishi, Sunak, rich, worth more than the queen or the king, we are on to the king, right? Worth more than the monarchy.First time ever in history that the prime minister has had greater wealth than the sovereign. He doesn't get it.He doesn't get it. And I think a lot of conservative MPs will be punished.I think a lot of them will jump ship before because there's no way they're going to win as a conservative MP when they have destroyed this country in every way imaginable.[48:35] They are the biggest bunch of crooks. Many of them are quite evil, especially with forcing a jab upon people that was never ever ever fully tested, never ever ever tested on children, never went through its trials, But the trials were cancelled after months and yet it was given to people and they were told it was fine.And now all the stories come back and injuries. So many issues and of course people like Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative Party, number 10, they didn't want people like that to stand.Independent minded MPs that will speak up for what they believe is right and not necessarily just fall under what the government say.We'll watch and see what happens. really interesting.[49:25] And I am watching this closely because of course we're all interested in what happens.I think that will be enough for tonight.Let me pull up some of your comments on GETTR if you're watching GETTR.I can't pull the other comments up.My apologies for not being able to pull them all up.Let's go from the bottom up. Okay.[49:54] Bookles, 42, know the WHO, independent candidate of the future, yep, but I don't know what they can achieve with our current electoral system.Pem's head, Tory's aren't Tory. The name Tory goes back a long time actually as a derogatory term, but anyway, we'll knock it into that history.Pem's head, Tory HQ, partially a candidate into my mum's constituency, they've just deselected her. I love it.I love it. The fight back between the grassroots part of the party and the machine at the top.Agshed, not conservative anymore.Nope. Buccos 42, unfortunately, Reform UK or ProJab genocide.That is a big concern.I'll not go deeply into that because we're not about attacking or picking off others, any party who is pro-JAB and criticises Novak Djokovic who wanted to get in Australia and did the right thing to get in and then was attacked by the leader of any political party and mocked and ridiculed.I have no time for....But that's a whole other issue.James Simmons, there are lots of others, I'll not go into them.[51:10] James Simmons says sexualized children should be a criminal offence, a punishment by the British people.Yep, should be a criminal offence. Anyone who's involved in that should be on the sex offence register and should be jailed up until it can be proved they're no longer a danger to children, no longer want to sexualize children.I think that is about it.[51:30] So thank you for joining. Thank you for watching. Great to have you with us always.It was great fun having Dominique for the first time and hopefully we'll have her back soon.Fit and sound and well and healthy. Next week I'm off to CPAC.We've got some great interviews that we've done in the bag.We'll post those when they come out, Monday, Thursday. And I'll be reporting over there from CPAC.A message from Steve Bannon to say make sure and come to the war room. We'll have you on live. Many others will be there. I'll report there, give you an update as much as I can.Never been there before so first time. I know Nigel is going there. It'll be good to see him. I don't know if any other British folks going over, but I'll try and make a beeline for any others I can find. I'll report as much as I can, take as many interviews and clips with people over there. And I'll be back after CPAC. So thank you for being with us.Thank you for watching on whichever platform you're on and have a good rest of your weekend.We will see you back on Monday with an interview that will tell you about[52:47] closer to the time. So thank you and good night to you all.

Clay Clark - The Great ReAwakening Vs The Great Reset

Give us a Woo! Clay Clark returns to Hearts of Oak to talk on the topic of the latest ReAwaken America Tour event. "The Great ReAwakening vs The Great Reset". On one side we have powerful international organisations that are seeking to control every area of our lives. Digital ID's. Central Bank Digital Currencies. Vaccine passports. Control of countries health responses to any crisis. The list goes on. On the other side people like Clay through the tour are opening peoples eyes to this new evil and helping them rediscover a passion for freedom and nationalism, truth and faith.Clay Clark is a father of five kids, the organizer, emcee and host of the General Flynn ReAwaken America Tour, the former “U.S. SBA Entrepreneur of the Year” for the State of Oklahoma, a member of the Forbes Business Coach Council, an Amazon best-selling author, the founder of several multi-million dollar companies and the host of the Thrivetime Show podcast which has been number one overall on the iTunes business podcast charts 6 times!The 'ReAwaken America Tour' and 'Time To Free America' aims to expose “The COVID-19 / Great Reset” agenda being pushed by Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, China, and other elite globalists that hate God and America.The ReAwaken America Tour exists to expose the election fraud, medical fraud, religious fraud, monetary fraud and mainstream media fraud that has been used to push the “COVID-19 Great Reset Agenda.”Their call to action is to get people back to God because they believe that true repentance and salvation is needed to save America.Find Clay at.....Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheClayClark?s=20&t=V6OoZyY3dO0ek1Wm8ghDAATruth: https://truthsocial.com/@ClayClarkWebsite: https://timetofreeamerica.com/Podcast: https://www.thrivetimeshow.com/reawaken-america-tour/Links mentioned during interview...https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/central-banks-and-digital-currency/overview/
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview coming up with Clay Clark. Clay Clark, of course, is overseeing the Reawaken America Tour. He's been with us before. And actually, as this goes out, it'll be the 27th event over the two years in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And we talk about a lot of things. We talk about the tour, we talk about who's connected with and what the core issues are, which is about control, control from the WEF, vaccine passports, digital ID, central bank digital currencies, end of cash, all of that. So we talk about that control basically is at the heart of what the WEF are, trying to do. And then we end up talking about his input with Donald J. Trump, President Trump, and how he is helping him understand some of these things and the people around him, which is essential because we can educate the masses, but our leaders also need to be educated.And then in the beginning we went a little funny direction talking about, I asked him about the church and doing the role of the church and we went on some Bible exegesis.So I love interviews, you never know where they'll go.I thoroughly enjoyed that.And then we moved back on to the tour. So I think there's something for all of you.I know you'll enjoy it as much as I did.[1:38] Clay Clark, thank you so much for joining us once again.
 
Hey, thank you for allowing me to be here and thank you for not changing your accent.
It's great. It's great to have you.You can follow the Clay Clark there, the hashtag or the handle on Twitter and at Clay Clark on truth, which we've been using more and more actually using truth social.Of course, the Thrive Time Show.com.All the links are in the description and Clay, I believe we're doing this two days before, This is going to go out on Thursday the 23rd. And I believe you will be in Tulsa, Oklahoma on the 27th evening of your tour.Tell us about that.[2:18] Well, OK, this is what's happening here, Peter. I'm trying to help save freedom.I know that's what you're doing as well.And so I've met some great people on this on this journey. I've met, you know, Jim Breuer, Mel Kay, General Flynn, Cash Patel, Devin Nunes, I mean, just Eric Trump, whatever. They're great, great people.And what I'm trying to do with this tour is to create a platform for these voices to be heard, so that the patriots who want freedom can know what's going on and they can know what to do.And so we have an event coming up in May at a Trump Doral, that's in May, that's in Miami, Florida, for anybody that doesn't know that's Trump Doral in May.And then we have August in Las Vegas, Nevada.Well, the event in May, it's not gonna be, you know, until May, so there's a little bit of time in between now and then.And people are buying tickets for the May event in Las Vegas, and there's a great energy and momentum to it.I talked to the hotel there in Miami, and they said the Trump resort is saying they're selling more rooms than they've ever sold ever related to one specific event.And the event's not until May. The Las Vegas event, they said they're selling tickets at a record rate.So there's all sorts of great things. They're selling rooms at a record rate.But Jim Breuer and I got to talking, and Greg Locke, and we decided that what we needed to do[3:34] is an event on March 23rd and kind of a reverse Davos, if you will.Davos, they get together and they have their events where the self-proclaimed elites get together, and lecture you and I about decreasing our carbon footprint after they arrive there in a gas guzzling jet.And we thought, you know what, let's have one night where we just have a blasty blast, where we share the truth, we stream live to a million people.And so we're gonna do it March 23rd in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Right now, the actual attendance in my building will be about 500 people, but the actual streaming attendance will be, at least a half million or more, and it's gonna be a wonderful night.So if you love Jim Breuer, the comedian, you're gonna have a great time, you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be phenomenal. If you love the preaching and teaching of the word of God, Pastor Greg Locke will be here, Dr. Stella Emanuel, Pastor Leon Benjamin.Looking at the names here. We have just a great line-up of Simone Gold, the doctor, she'll be here.[4:28] You've got Mel K, the legendary investigative journalist. So it's really going to be a wonderful time, but it's going to be kind of in a trimmed down format. Amanda Grace, the prophet, will be here. Dr. Mark Sherwood, Pastor Jackson Laumeier. So it's going to be a little bit of a variety pack, and it's going to be like a Reawaken America Tour light, kind of a smaller event, but But it will be packed and the energy will be there.
Sounds awesome. I wish I was in Tulsa. I'm just back from Trump Hotel in Doral.I was there last week. So wrong week. Wrong month.
 
How was it? How was it?
One day, the man himself, he called in for a five, six minute phone call.Great, and I met someone cool there. I grit two, three days. Good fun.
But did you stay on the resort or did you stay off the resort?
I just stayed about a mile away.So it was full. So we just paid just out. But beautiful venue, beautiful atmosphere, really exciting.But I want to ask you, because the great reset, I am wondering whether the WEF, the globalist that we've all, seen, really have overplayed their hand.And they've come out of the shadows, certainly during the last three years, and have exposed themselves. And I'm just curious whether you think they may have maybe overplayed their hand and being too confident?[5:50] Well, I think I'm a fact guy, you know, so my niche is I'm a fact man. That's what I do. I think it's healthy for everybody out there. If you're listening, find your niche and scratch it.Okay, so like I'm very good at growing companies. And I'm very good at facts when it gets into like opinion of what could happen. My natural bias, we have a bias, my natural bias, people say, how can you possibly have this bias if you're successful?My natural bias is I'm very sceptical of everything. And I'm very somewhat call it pessimistic. But I don't believe, in the best in humanity. I don't believe that most ideas are a good business idea. I don't believe that most employees are actually doing their job during the workday. I don't believe that the government is here to help. And because of those things, I've had a lot of success because I plan for that which I can control.Now there's other people out there that are naturally optimistic and they're going, woo, the Patriots are in control, baby, woo.And I say, well, I have met now, I mean, Cash Patel, General Flynn, Eric Trump, Tenpenny, so many great speakers, you can see them at timetofreeamerica.com.And I can tell you, these people are better than advertised in person, just great people. You think they're great, but when you're around them, you go, these are great people. However..[7:12] they don't have a secret overarching plan that allows them as white hats to somehow be in control. And I think that is a punch in the gut that some people just don't want to hear.I think people are just give me something positive. You know, I don't have that for you.But what I can say is that the gospel, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21, that is real stuff. It's real. It's going to happen.The Bible is not fake, so it's going to happen. It's going to happen.And I don't think the Bible is somehow fake or not accurate or negative or bad because it doesn't say what I want it to say sometimes.So I would just say we are living through the fulfilment of that which was prophesied and bring about there who's new to the Bible.The Bible is about 73, 74% historical and 25 to 27% prophetic, depending upon who tells you this. So the prophetic parts are coming to pass.[8:12] So if you were an optimist, you would go, this is exciting. Woo, this is the most exciting time to live to quote Ric Flair.Woo. You know, and, but to, uh, for anybody that doesn't know Ric Flair was a professional wrestler, which is fake wrestling to quote Ric Flair.Woo. And so that's what he would do all the time. Woo. Or in my case, I go, uh, it's a little bit terrifying.Uh, a little bit terrifying here. I'm a researcher, so I'm always finding this stuff before most people. And so I find this to be an epic period of time.[8:44] And people say epic, what does that mean? An epic story or movie is where somebody tries to overcome evil in route to the good triumphing over evil.And I believe we're seeing evil and I believe we're seeing good.And I believe it's, I would describe this time as epic.[9:03] And what you're doing on the Reawaken America Tour, it really is, when you talk about the Bible, it really is what the church's role should be.And I find this really interesting that you have organizations that aren't the church, aren't necessarily, their purpose is not the role of church, but they've stepped into the gap and they are speaking of it.
Well, now we're going to get into a little theological debate here today.So I believe that when Jesus was instructing his disciples, his apostles, his people, he began to discuss that the church was his body.The body was his church. The church was his body.Now, some of you might disagree, but you know, so you read the Bible.I encourage you to look these verses up here.I've got many of them to my right here. You can read Romans 12 verse 4-5 says, for we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office.1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 27-31, now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular.I mean, I could sit there and read these all day. Ephesians chapter three verse six says, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of his promise in the Christ of the gospel.[10:24] So the body, what is the body? is the body? What? What is the body? I would argue that you are the body. If you believe in Christ, you're the body of Christ. That's what you are. And so we are the church. We are the church, you know, or two or more gathered. So I think, somehow, somewhere, I don't know when I don't I don't I'm not a big I went to Oral Roberts University. I really don't like, seminary. I went to Oral Roberts University. Probably a lot of people have been launched into ministry. And it's been great.But I've discovered that a lot of people, they go to Bible college or seminary and they start to have these weird, beliefs they have. So I'm just gonna give you a few Peter, like there's one denomination in America that believes if you play musical instruments, you are going to hell. And they[11:08] will just, I'm serious, they do. There's another group of there's another denomination in America, they believe that you are not, worthy to pray to God yourself, you need to have a person you pray to. So you pray to that person, you confess to that, person, then they pray to God for you because you're not worthy. There's another denomination I know, I'm thinking, just think of three right now, that actually right now is trying to bring in as many gay pastors as possible.[11:35] So, there's this thing in the Bible that says it'll be the great falling away, okay?And this would be 1 Timothy for anybody out there who's wanting to get into the Word of God today.I'll try to cite all my sources so that way you know that I'm not just making up random things as is par for the course in many churches today. Okay, so you want to open up your Bible to Timothy, all right, Timothy, and I'm just going to read the Bible refers to this great falling away.Okay, so 1 Timothy chapter 4, okay, says here, the Spirit speaketh expressly," kind of important, underline it, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.[12:17] Pastors. Ladies and gentlemen, we're celebrating our first gay pastor.What? Speaking lies and hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron. Andy Stanley, the pastor in America, mega church, he actually said you have to go, to get groceries, but you don't have to go to church. That's why he was doing the lockdown.It says, forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to receive with blessings of them, which believe and know the truth. You know, the pope is pushing this idea of limiting your meat intake. I mean, this is first Timothy chapter four, right there. What?I mean, TD Jakes, mega church pastor, he's pushing the shots with Tony Fauci. These are real, things Rick Warren is pushing the world economic forum. So I would say[13:02] I am doing my job as a struggling evangelist. I am going out there and reading the gospel, not claiming to have some knowledge. I'm not a charlatan. I don't have some super knowledge of the Bible that other people don't have. I'm just opening up the Bible and I'm saying, hey, everybody, open the Bible because the Bible talks about mixing the miry clay with iron. Daniel chapter two verse 43 and Daniel had a vision that God gave him of how it would all end and it says, And there it says, and whereas thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.What? He saw it as the fourth kingdom and Klaus Schwab is calling it the fourth industrial revolution. Schwab is wanting to mix miry clay with iron, transhumanism, man with machine.What? Revelation chapter 13 verse 16 through 18. Unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works if you look up W02020 060606 and you look at the Microsoft patent with a publication number W02020 060606 unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works you will see that that exactly fulfils mechanically the mark of the beast and someone says I don't I don't like that.[14:20] I don't like what you're doing there because what you're doing is you're trying to mix in the Bible, with practical life and the practical life that I live cannot possibly relate to the Bible because then it would cause me to change things. Oh no, I don't want to change things. I just want to go to church because it's something fun to do. Here's the exciting thing for you folks. I'm going to send you a patent here. I'm going to send you a patent in this private chat. This will freak you out. I mean if this is not the mark of the beast patent, look at this one. Everybody's got to see see this one. It's good old US patent 2021 0082583. I mean, you have a sound mind. You look at that patent. What does that thing look like to you.[15:01] We will include that in the description for viewers. I'll not put it on screen, but we'll certainly include that. So I encourage everyone to go and have a look at that.Can I ask you, moving, I could ask you a lot of other church analogies, but I want to move slightly off and talk about what we're seeing in the Great Reset really is all about control, isn't it?We've seen the vaccine passports, seen digital IDs, end of cash, central bank digital currency. It's all about a new level of controlling and telling people what they can or cannot do.[15:34] Correct. And I want people to understand this. If you haven't looked it up, folks, just go to Google or DuckDuckGo and type in MIT CBDCs. MIT CBDCs. I wrote you a motivational song, folks. But I'm not gonna sing it to you.I'm just listening folks, I'm serious.Everybody, some people say, I don't have the time to do it. I'm not motivated.Not your listeners, but some people say, Clay, you're telling me to type in MIT CBDC.I just, I have carpal tunnel.Can you sing me a song? Could you motivate me? I don't wanna, but if you look it up, not your listeners are motivated, but some people aren't. And you go there and you look it up, you're going to see that MIT has created the central bank digital currencies.Now, not to alarm you, but the MIT also, the same MIT, has funded the creation of the Quantum Dot.[16:24] The Quantum Dot, look it up folks. Now the Quantum Dot is what?The Quantum Dot is a technology that allows you to store your financial or medical records under your skin.That's what the Quantum Dot is. And guess what the name of the new central bank digital currency system is, they're rolling out. the name of the new company that's throwing out the central bank digital currencies.Their CEO, his name is Gilbert Verdean.It's called Quant. Quant. Yes, that is what they want.It is Quant. And now think about this, the name of the Google supercomputer that powers CERN.You know, CERN has a 666 logo. By the way, CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo, Revelation 9-11.[17:07] Wow.
 
CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911. Look at folks, Revelation 911 and CERN's logo is 666 and it's powered by the Google Chrome Google Chrome, what it's powered by Google and the Google Chrome logo is 666 CERN is powered by the Google Chrome what CERN with the 666 logo is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911 the computer that powers CERN is called the Google quantum computer has a 666 logo and Elon Musk refers to the AI technology they're using as summoning the demon. So I just I don't know if people are quite aware of the dystopian nightmare that awaits us if we don't stop the great reset. So Peter, what I do is I do I try to do about five to 10 shows a day with great people like yourself. And I try to cite, all my sources. I try to never give people hyperbolic things that could be true. I focus on facts. And I try to do that because the world doesn't need my opinion, they need facts. And most people just don't know these things.And so if you want to find all this information out, you can also go to time2freeamerica.com.And when you go there, everything I've cited on today's show or have said on today's show, it's all cited there at time2freeamerica.com.[18:19] I'm just looking at actually what you'd given MIT, I did, but it actually says on the Bank of England first, where is a concept of a CBDC in its 2015.I just want to put that to our UK viewers. And of course, Prince Charles and King Charles was at the 2020 WF conference when his initiative, his institute launched that public great reset along with the WEF.So Britain are certainly very much intertwined in this. So for those of you who are not in the States don't think this is a U.S. problem, it's worldwide, isn't that correct?
You are correct. And I think it's very important that we all begin to understand what is happening.We dial in, we begin to wake up to what is happening. I have a little audio clip I want to play for you.Should play just fine. This is the first person you're going to hear is Yuval Noah Harari for a reverse good time.If you have a bad time, someone says, I want to have a bad time. That sounds great.Go to Rumble and type in Yuval Noah Harari. Someone says, who's the guy that will guarantee me a bad time?Oh, yeah, this guy right here. He'll kill the joy. Yuval Noah Harari.He's the top advisor for this guy, Klaus Schwab.[19:30] And he's going to be speaking here. I want you to listen to what he says.Let's do this, here we go, folks.
 
Ideally, the response to COVID should be the establishment of a global healthcare system.[19:42] A basic healthcare system for the entire human race.
The Biden administration has negotiated deals to give the world health organisation authority over US pandemic policies.
New international health accords avoids necessary senate approval. The Biden administration is preparing to sign up the United States to a legally binding accord with the world health organisation that would give the Geneva based UN subsidiary the authority to dictate Americas policies during a pandemic, written under the banner of
[20:12] the world together equitably, the zero draft grants the World Health Organization the power to declare and manage a global pandemic emergency. Once a health emergency is declared, all signatories, including the United States, would submit to the authority of the World Health Organization regarding treatments, government regulations such as lockdowns and vaccine mandates, global supply chains, and monitoring and surveillance of populations.
You've written extensively on the topic that you've asked me to speak to, mastering the fourth industrial revolution.The Internet of bodies will for the first time mean that software will start causing physical harm to human bodies with some regularity.Could there be a connection between those two? COVID makes it, it accelerates the process of digitalization and automatization.It legitimizes the deployment of mass surveillance and it makes surveillance go under your skin.
It makes surveillance go under your skin.[21:15] What?[21:18] Isn't that crazy?
 
And that just came out just days ago. That is brand new information.And again, this is being exposed and showing even if we had the government in charge and many of us don't, they actually are extremely weak and they're handing the authority over to these, multinational faceless organizations.
 
Correct and they have no problem with giving away, our sovereignty to the World Health Organization, the World Health Organization that by the way promoted locked, they're basically a puppet organization of China, I'll say it that way.So China, they welded people into their homes, locked people into their homes.They're still taking people to these bizarre quarantine facilities.I mean, they have a zero COVID policy. I mean, this is worse.You talk about the surveillance state.They want to put surveillance under your skin.And that's going to be in charge of the World Health Organization.That's going to be in charge of every country.That's what's happening right there. But again, if you read the Bible, all this stuff is was prophesied.It was prophesied. That's what's happening right now.So we're in a spot right now where we're seeing the fulfilment of the Bible in front of us. Luke 21, Matthew chapter 24, And some people go, woo, this is exciting, the most exciting time I've ever seen. I love it. Yes![22:37] Other people like me say, I'm not really excited about this, but here we are.So I choose the decision that I made that I make every day is I choose to come on shows like yours, and to share the truth about what is happening. And then I get sued. So the former head of security and strategy for Dominion, Eric Coomer, sued me for defamation, sued the TOUR. So if you go to time to freeamerica.com and you click on the button, you can learn about the lawsuit, and it's expensive. And I do these events where I operated a loss because I let people name their price. I wish that every patriot was sitting around with $500 or $1,000 of discretionary income that they could spend at one of my events, but this is not the reality. So I tell people they can name their price. And the only event I've ever set a floor on or the lowest price you can pay, is the event we're doing in Doral in Miami because you were there, but you can only fit about 3,000 people in there. And because my legal costs have gone up, as well as the security costs, the security costs are a huge thing because Trump is now running for president. So the security costs went up. It didn't make the seating capacity go up. So we have to charge 175 minimum for that one.Now in Las Vegas, we have a little more run room because it'll be a bigger venue. In that event, in August, we can let people name their price and pay whatever price they want to pay. But again, And it's time to free America.com.People can learn more about that. They're time to free America.com.[24:04] There it is on the screen. Um, to other, you talk to them, the reawakened tour is all about education and you're presenting truth.It is a lot of truth to take, but tell us about, as you travel the country, if you find a, a willingness, uh, an acceptance of what is happening, a desire to do something about it, tell us kind of the response that you've got as you meet the public across the last two years.
Well, I mean, these are encouraging, it's factual. Usually I find a group of people that are very decent, they love America, they love of God and they are hearing most of this for the first time.[24:39] I know this because I asked them, I say, by show of hands, I do this halfway through day one, usually day two, I say, how many of you are learning about what's in the shots for the first time and every hand goes up? Woo.Okay, how many of you are discovering right now for the first time the mechanics of mRNA modified nanotechnology? Hands go up.I mean, it's amazing. People show up to see Jim Breuer or Eric Trump or Michael Lindell, or maybe names that are more known than my mind.You know, I'm pretty confident no one comes to see me, but when they show up, they learn all this stuff, and their lives are changed.And so I feel like my job right now is to help reawaken the world and to share the truth about what's going on.And I feel like it is something I'm called to do. It's not something that I wanted to do. I view it as a duty.And I just encourage everybody out there, you know, I still have five kids.I don't have, still five kids. I still own businesses. That hasn't changed.So now I get up every day at 3 a.m.[25:41] And I work until nine. This is my schedule right now is 3 a.m. to six every day.And then some days till nine. And it just depends on what the obligations are.Because there's not, if we do not get this information out now, we're not gonna be able to go back and go, well, I wish I would have said that.So right now I have a speaking engagement on Saturday that I'm preparing for.And so I've carved out a wonderful time at 3 a.m. tomorrow to make my outline for the presentation because there's very few things happening at 3 a.m.And so we all have to sacrifice. And I just encourage everybody out there, get involved in whatever capacity you can in helping wake up your family and friends.And if you are stateside and you can join us at the Reawaken America Tour, I encourage you to get those tickets at timetofreeamerica.com.Again, timetofreeamerica.com. Trump Doral in May and then Las Vegas, Nevada at Trump International in August.[26:37] Can I finish off just by looking at slightly separately, talking about education and educating the masses, the public, but I watched an interview you did with Mary Grace maybe a week ago, and you talked about educating Trump's team, educating leadership.Do you wanna just let us know a little bit about that? Cause that's exciting because we need government as well as the public to be educated.
I can say, my role is to meet with everybody who is around President Trump and to share with them the truth about a lot of things, but specifically the models that said 2.2 million people would die are false.So the whole fear for the very beginning was falsely created because the models that said that 2.2 million people would die from COVID are false.Two, the polymerase chain reaction tests continue to be falsely calibrated to inflate cases.Three, COVID continues to be treatable with budesonide, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.Four, the system and method for testing for COVID-19. The system and method for testing for COVID-19 was patented in 2015.[27:35] And the technology that goes under your skin allows them to win.It's called surveillance under the skin. You can see all the patents at, time2freeamerica.com forward slash revelation.Then if that part goes well, I explained to them, hey, I say, did you know that 1971 Klaus Schwab started the World Economic Forum for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 America got off the gold standard for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that America started trading with China for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 the Pope completed the creation of a building with a snakehead theme called his audience hall. What did you know that in 1971, America began sacrificing babies to bail abortion? Did you know that in 1971, the book Rules for Radicals was written and dedicated to Lucifer? And they go, what? And so when you go over all that, if you haven't heard it, you got to get all that whole presentation down into about five minutes. And if it goes well, it's like a game show, you earn five more minutes. Yeah. And so I've been meeting with people and I try not to ask for anything. I don't know, don't say, and now sign my face or now speak at my event or I don't do that. I just try to educate and that's what I'm doing and we'll see what happens.
 
It's interesting because obviously Trump has got some criticism.[28:46] For being involved with Warp Speed, all of that, but I kind of give him the benefit of the doubt, I assume that you've got a team of advisors that you don't necessarily get to pick or put in there.[28:58] You're saying he has it, Trump has a team of, had a team of advisors?
Yeah, I'm trying to because obviously Trump was involved in Warp Speed, a worldwide effort, and he certainly faces, has faced criticism for that.
Yeah, let me walk you through this real quick. And this is something that Eric Trump had said on one of our shows before so I can vouch, for it.But basically, Eric said that when President Trump got into the White House, they were were told that since the time of Reagan, you're supposed to hire 4,000 employees, in your first 70 days.And that's been since Reagan, you know, so you're supposed to fill the roster with 4,000, new employees in 60 days. So, and that's something they've been doing since Reagan, you know, so it's like the RNC is just putting people everywhere. And you know, Trump didn't know who Mike Pence was, and that he would certify a fraudulent election. I mean, he didn't know.[29:50] Deborah Birx. I mean, she'd been there for 20 years, didn't know who Fauci was. And, you know, these people had been there for years, all plotting this plan. And he just happened to be the president that I might, I think that Trump received many more votes than people thought he would get on the first go around. So I don't think that there was ever that was that I don't think that was part of the great reset plan was to have Trump there. And so I think because Trump was there, it created a situation where they're kind of thinking, what do we do? Because he went to Trump went to the World Economic Forum and told him he's going to put America first and not going to yield to the the globalist agenda. So I mean, President Trump, to his credit[30:29] tried to get that wall built, fought back, kept us out of wars, made the economy take off, got inflation way down. And then you know, the pandemic that was planned for years, showed up.And you know, I, Trump didn't know that was gonna happen. So I if I was President Trump, I'd like to think that I would have quickly discovered that Fauci was a Fauci was a pathological liar and that Deborah Birx was, you know, as well, but I but I, He did not, right? And so hindsight is 2020, but I can just say my prayers and thoughts are with President Trump and may he lead our country back to greatness and may he help liberate the free world.[31:05] And I think on that, Clay, I will thank you for your time. Really appreciate you coming along and sharing and all the links for our viewers. So thank you for joining us today.
Thanks for carving me and my crazy schedule. Thanks for carving me into your, along me, my crazy schedule to fit into your schedule. Thank you so much.
Always welcome. Thank you very much. Bye.