Hearts of Oak Podcast

John Waters - How Uncontrolled Immigration Is Destroying Ireland

This episode, making a return to Hearts of Oak is the veteran Irish journalist, playwright, author, campaigner and political activist, John Waters.We have all seen the pictures coming from 'The Emerald Isle' of the protests against uncontrolled immigration. These demonstrations are very similar to what has been happening in the UK and John joins us to discuss the impact that mass immigration is having on Ireland. The damage to community cohesion and the blatant disregard for what is best for the citizens of Ireland is producing a pressure cooker atmosphere, those who raise concerns are branded as racists, bigots and being far right. Loving ones country is no longer accepted or tolerated by our politicians and media, have the government overplayed their hand and can the people of Ireland reclaim their country? Join us for John's expert analysis on this situation.John Waters is an Irish Thinker, Talker, and Writer. From the life of the spirit of society to the infinite reach of rock ‘n’ roll; from the puzzle of the human ‘I’ to the true nature of money; from the attempted murder of fatherhood to the slow death of the novel, he speaks and writes about the meaning of life in the modern world.He began part-time work as a journalist in 1981, with Hot Press, Ireland’s leading rock ‘n’ roll magazine and went full-time in 1984, when he moved from the Wild West to the capital, Dublin. As a journalist, magazine editor and columnist, he specialised from the start in raising unpopular issues of public importance, including the psychic cost of colonialism and the denial of rights to fathers under what is called family 'law'. He was a columnist with The Irish Times for 24 years when being Ireland's premier newspaper still meant something. He left in 2014 when this had come to mean diddly-squat, and drew the blinds fully on Irish journalism a year later. Since then, his articles have appeared in publications such as First Things, frontpagemag.com, The Spectator, and The Spectator USA. He has published ten books, the latest, Give Us Back the Bad Roads (2018), being a reflection on the cultural disintegration of Ireland since 1990, in the form of a letter to his late father. Connect with and support John...SUBSTACK: https://johnwaters.substack.com/WEBSITE: https://anti-corruptionireland.com/Interview recorded 20.2.23
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[0:22] John Waters, it is wonderful to have you with us and thank you for joining us once again.
It's a pleasure to be on with you again, Peter. Thank you very much.
Not at all. It's been, goodness, two years. I look back and it's January 2021, so please, accept my apologies for not having you on. More often we will do. And for the viewers and listeners, you can follow John on his substack, johnwaters.substack.com. I get it into my inbox and it will give you John's perspective and thoughts on a whole range of events.So, I do encourage you to go sign up for that and you can even sign up for the paid version, if you so wish and support John in that way.John, you're probably looking at the substack and I was reading through it today looking at your description.I noticed that you call yourself an Irish thinker, writer, and as Irish thinker, talker, and writer. That's the one.[1:23]I would have just put you on as a journalist, but that word is connotations.But yet you're the first guest I've ever had on who defines himself by being a thinker and a talker.
Yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. You've put your finger on there.I use, I come up with, try and come up with words of self-description that are not journalists, even though as a child I couldn't, the idea of being a journalist and having that name appended, that word appended to my name was like beyond a dream, you know, and now you know just connotations of just lying and scumry and just speaking on behalf of the power, attacking the vulnerable, you know, and so on and so on and so on. So yeah, it's really just an alternative to being regarded as describing myself really as a lying scum-bag, which you know, actually, I will try a little harder and I must come up with some more words for that because I think I'm going to need them for a little longer.[2:14] I think I could say this, someone born on the island of Ireland, born in the north and live in the south, it's so Irish. People think of the Irish as talkers, as thinkers.So it kind of fits into that little stereotype.
It does, yeah.It's a little bit pretentious, I have to say, a little bit affected, but it needs most.I kind of toy with the idea of reporter, but it doesn't really get me.I am, but it's a particular kind of writing, I guess. So journalist is a word, which, as I say, once treasured and hopeful, I hope will be treasured once again in our culture and our civilization. But at the moment it's the, it's the byword of a scumbag, you know?[2:58] Well, one issue that journalists have been silent on, we could have a range of issues, but the one we'll look at today is immigration and what's been happening in Ireland. Looking at it from over here on the mainland, as I would have called GB when I was back living in Ireland, Northern Ireland. But it seems to be an immigration level that's much higher than we've seen before. And the Irish have traditionally been a people of hospitality, of generosity, of open arms. But do you want to just give us your thoughts, your assessment on what exactly has been happening regarding immigration at the moment?[3:35] Well, as you say, Ireland always had a steady stream of people coming here to live and work and stay and be welcomed.And we didn't ever have an issue of rejecting any such people.But what's happening now and what has been happening for over 20 years is actually quite different, but increasingly so, acceleratingly so in the past three years since the so-called pandemic, which was used as a cover to bring in huge numbers, by night in planes. You would see them in the morning in Dublin with their cases dragging behind them, like 10 or 12 of them having come in from the airport. At the same time that the Irish people were locked down, and forbidden to go any more than 2 kilometres from their own homes. Half the world was coming to join us without any consultation with the Irish people. And this was a kind of an acceleration of a trend that had been with us with us for maybe 20 years going back to 2004 and the opening of the European borders, which you know.[4:33] The Irish people voted for. I didn't vote for it. I didn't agree with it. Not necessarily for that reason, although you know for reasons that I had fears that what was what is happening now would indeed happen. But so people did vote for the expansion of the European community and so on, the union and I didn't quibble with that. But it was clear from very early on, from maybe about 2005, 2007, that there were a lot of people coming into Ireland who were not Europeans and who didn't originate in Europe, that they were using Europe as a stepping stone to get into Ireland. Again, that was kind of something that had no context or no explanation in the context of what we had voted for. It wasn't being elaborated upon by politicians and so on.[5:24] And I remember at that time, around that time when I began to become aware of that, I started asking questions about it, but you weren't permitted to ask questions. To ask questions was racist. So if you wanted to know, I mean Ireland was at the time a population of under 4 million. And if you wanted to say, well, okay, well, like, you know, to somebody who wanted to open up our borders, well, like to what extent, you know, like, what is Ireland? You know, Is Ireland, as Thomas Davis prophesied, just a sand bank on which we walk about and indifferently and it doesn't really matter who's here, it doesn't matter why they're here, it doesn't matter, where they come from, it doesn't matter what their agendas are, or can we actually fix a number?That was the question that seemed to me to be the most germane, to say to these people, okay.[6:07] Fine, you want to bring in people, okay, but can you tell us who you're bringing in and can you tell us what your end game is? How many do you want to bring in? A population of less than 4 million?What? Another million? Oh, don't be ridiculous. Okay, fine. So you're saying that's too many.Okay, that's the start. Okay. Well, then let's say at the other end, the hypothesis maybe will say a dozen people.[6:34] Oh you play games, no no I'm not playing games, so it's not what is not a dozen, is not twelve, that's too few, fair enough I probably agree with you.[6:45] Now somewhere between twelve and a million is a figure that we need to fix on so can we work on that a little bit and maybe we end up with a figure that say four hundred and fiftythousand and twenty five. Right. OK. So on Monday morning after that, the four hundred, and fifty thousand and twenty sixth person arrives at Dublin airport and walks up the plane and says, here I am. And we say, sorry, you're very sorry. You're in hard luck. You know.[7:16] We're full up now. We've taken our quota. We said we would. And that says, I'm very sorry, but you're going to have to go back on the next plane. Is that racist? Is that racist? Well, of course, we know the answer to that it is racist, because there was never any question in these minds other than that. They would have free access, free free reign to bring as many people as they wanted into Ireland, which is an unlimited number. They have no limits. And they say this now, by the way, they say there is no upward seeding, there's no cap on migrants. We've already taken in nearly 100,000 Ukrainians, for example, in the last 10 months. And they're saying that we could expect the same again within a year. I mean, you know, and moreover, there's a concept which has been in use here in general, which we again is subterranean, of family reunification, whereby once one person comes in, they're entitled to bring in their extended family. And there's actually no upward limit on that either it appears but the average that we have found per person.[8:21] It's quite a shocking number is 20. So you think about say a hundred thousand Ukrainians coming into Ireland and having the right to bring in 20 people a piece say, and it's more if they want.[8:37] Well, what's that? You know, like, like, like that's 2 million people like that, without a single conversation with the Irish people about what they wish for their country, what they fear from this tendency.
But Ireland has had a massive change. The Ireland I grew up in in the 80s is a world away from the Ireland today.And that massive change, I mean, depending how you look at it, I look at it as someone who's, maybe a Christian or a conservative and see that massive change with the church being quite strong, with a cohesion in Ireland, understanding what it meant to be Irish. But that has been upended and Ireland has turned for me one of the most conservative countries, one of the most liberal countries. And a lot of those changes, I think, have happened again without the public necessarily being engaged with and asked and discussed, what are the consequences of these actions? Are they good or bad for the country? Is that a kind of fair assessment?
 
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean.[9:57] Basically we were told. I mean, this is essentially what we're talking about here, Peter, is, totalitarianism, as defined by Václav Havel, you know, where he was talking about, you know, that the future is prepared for you and you were told you must live in it and there are no options, there is no menu. This is it, you move in. You're no longer a sovereign person in your country.You are just simply a passenger and you're the same. You have the same rights if you have[10:24] as anybody who comes in. In fact, in practice, what we're finding is that the Indigenous population no longer have rights in this context at all. And the reason for that is very interesting, because what it actually is, it relates back to the United Nations and the United Nations taking up of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in the United States, which kind of gave a legal oomph to a, lot of the ideologies that were beginning to float around at that point. And in effect, what it means is that when a migrant comes to Ireland or any other country in Europe.[10:57] They are in effect a floating piece of UN jurisdiction. They bring with them all those kind of entitlements and rights which the UN will now provide them with but it is the Irish people who must pay for them.With their communities, with their homes, with their safety, with their security, with whatever is necessary in order to fulfil the contract with the UN has extended to this individual migrant.And the Irish people have no right to speak back to this. It is quite clear. They're, you know, they're just being bullied.I mean by so-called entertainers, by celebrities, so-called by NGOs, by government civil servants, all paid out of the Irish taxpayers' pocket.Now abusing the Irish taxpayer for asking simple questions about the future direction of his country and the chances of his or her children having a home to live in.[11:55] And the Irish people are saying no in increasing numbers. And thank God, because it has taken a long time for them to overcome their fear of being demonised, of being called names by these people.But now they realise that the price of silence is too great.It is the complete destruction of their metaphysical home and the loss of the birth right of their children.[12:18] How is this, I mean, Ireland is a country that you know what Irish means and probably a country with one of the strongest identities around the world has been, but that kind of identity, that heart and soul seems to be ripped out of the country.How is that, how has that happened? Or how has that been allowed to happen?I mean, we see it in the UK, self-hatred of the country, but you kind of thought being[12:54] Irish is something different, is something to really be proud about and the fabric of the society and culture.How has it changed completely?
Well, you see, Ireland's been under assault for 800 years, you know, I mean, first of all by Britain, but more recently for the past 100 years by its own people, you know, who have basically stepped into the role of colonizers within, native settlers, as it were.And that has now, you see this whole thing of demonization. The demonization, you talked about this kind of conservative liberal axis.I mean, I don't necessarily think the words are hugely useful anymore, any more than left and right are useful, but they do describe something in a sense.And certainly they divide the field and we can see more clearly.So it's useful enough to use them, they're not necessarily words that have a precise meaning. And you know we've now had, as you say, these culture wars for particularly in the last decade where we had a series of referendums which attacked the fundamental rights section of the Irish constitution on the basis of marriage, on the basis of abortion, on the basis of so-called rights of children, which are now, by the way. I oppose all these at referendum.[14:07] And interestingly the one in 2012 about so-called children's rights was the most baffling for people, as to why I would do that. They say are you opposed to children having rights? And I say absolutely not, but their rights must be vested in their parents, has always been the case. Now after this, and it was narrowly passed, what happened was that the state took on the role of, super-parent and now you see the fruits of it where a government minister stands up on her hind legs and tells people that she is going to allow children of 16 years of age to transition, to change genders without their parents' knowledge or consent. Now that's the culmination of what happened in 2012. So to answer your question, this is the conditions you see. You see, I believe, Peter, that actually Ireland was, I forget the word, but there is a word in Spanish for what they call a self coup. I think we had one such of those in Ireland in 2011, which precedes this period, just a little more over a decade ago. And what it was, was really that the American government[15:14] under Obama seemed to take Ireland under its wing and send all kinds of secretive forces into our midst, nor to manipulate and so on, and teach us the expertise of scumry. And we learned well. Our leaders learned well. They are complete scumbags now. And so one of the things they did, and particularly so in the 2015 referendum on marriage, was they launched these LGBT goons.[15:43] As almost like Rottweilers, you know, packs of Rottweilers into the culture, telling people what they could and could not say, therefore what they could and could not think. And they terrified the lives out of people because people at the time, this was new and they'd never seen anything.People, Irish people are gentle and you don't want to offend people and so on mostly.[16:03] They need to get over that by the way. What you actually ended up with was what I call a culture of mutism or lock job where people became afraid to open their mouth for fear of saying the wrong thing in the wrong company and that they would be pulled up and reprimanded and chastised by somebody And that's therefore what you actually found in the last decade.And I found this in places like up in the west of Ireland, where people never stop talking and saying the most outrageous things to each other, all my life. And not being afraid of that, or not even being offended by it, but enjoying the possibility that you could have these entangled, but now, when you would mention some slightly risqué subject, there was look around......[16:55] And then they would say, but you can't open your mouth.
 
Exactly the same here.When people will say to you, well said, completely agree with you.I also share that concerns, but I really can't speak up because it's X, Y, Z. And people, seem to have lost the courage. They still have that inside belief, but they've lost the courage to speak.
Yeah. There was a great novel published there about five years ago by Anna Burns called Milkman, which was about that culture in operation in Northern Ireland.And that really resonated with me when I read it more recently in the last couple of years.It's a powerful book in that sense because it really gets at the undertones of what happens in a consciousness, collective and individual, when that kind of pressure for Omerta, is actually bearing down upon that culture.And that, I think, has been the singular most effective instrument.And that's why people ask, why is it that the LGBT movement are always drifting around the immigration issue. Well, that's why.They're paid to silence people. That's their skill.[18:10] LGB Rottweilers, that image sticks with me. It's a perfect description. What about in the UK, our politicians have talked about immigration, our immigration, which is out of control, has happened under a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years.They keep telling us, don't worry, we're going to fix it. We're going to put the brakes on it, we're going to deal with it, but they never do. So there is talk. In Ireland, are they even talking about trying to do something or is there just ignoring the situation?
No, no. You see, what happens is, yes, exactly that, exactly what you've described there, Peter, that there is talk. Occasionally, intermittently, there is talk. But that talk is purely to to damp down the resistance and people to go back to their work, their everyday activities and forget about marching and chanting and so on.And you get that now they've been muttering about the government now, mutter about, oh, they're now revealing, for example, that 60% of the migrants coming into Ireland have no papers.[19:20] Now that's a shocking, none of us in our wildest nightmares would have dared make such an assertion that even say half or even a quarter of these people have no, we would have regarded a quarter of people of those people having no documents when they arrive here as an absolutely shocking statistic.They're saying 60%. The government is saying 60%. They're admitting culpability and they're implying by that that they're going to do something to stop it.But of course they're not. They're saying that to give the impression that everything is fine now.The government suddenly has realized that maybe they've gone too far or it's gone too far or there's too many people coming here. We didn't intend this to happen.They put out advertising all over the world, telling people that if they came to Ireland, they will get their front door key within four months.[20:05] Wow. Wow. That 60%. That is basically a green light because you're publicizing that there's no stopping. You and I going traveling, you don't have your passport, you're not going anywhere.[20:23] And yet that 60%, I saw that figure. That's just a big green light saying, you can come here, don't worry about any legality issues.
That's right. That's right. And you see the point is, here's the important point. The people doing this, whether they be politicians or civil servants or NGOs or whatever, they are people who can claim to be virtuous on the basis of forcing other people to accept all of these newcomers.While never actually, because they live in basically sheltered areas that are not affected.[20:58] And they parade in the streets and accuse other people of being racist, smug in the knowledge that they live in an area where the houses are too expensive for these people to go or for these people to be placed. The government can't afford that or wouldn't seek to do it.It has targeted working class community. It strikes me a little bit,[21:18] they look for families that are lacking in some problem, maybe marital difficulties or, alcoholism or something like that. So there's a weakness.And this is the condescension of these people that they imagine their working class communities, have a weak solidarity or that they don't really care about each other or whatever.They couldn't be further from the truth. It just shows how little they know about the people that actually they expect to vote for them.And what you're finding therefore is that people are actually, the very people, they would have been better off targeting. In fact, they should start to target now the people that were marching in Dublin yesterday, or on Saturday.I would suggest to them that[21:54] they would take their video, get the video from the guards who were obviously filming the march, as they always do, and just find out where all these people live and then move the migrants in there. And that they will deal with the problem like that, no problem. Let's see how that goes for them. We know it won't go because as soon as this begins to encroach on these people's own doorsteps, their compassion dissolves and evaporates. It's only when it's being imposed upon others, that they're feeding the capacity to be, as they put it, tolerant.
Well, exactly the same thing happened in the UK. They're putting these people, not in the affluent areas, that would affect those in charge, but in other areas, and there have been big demos up in Liverpool, I guess mirroring what has happened over there. But tell us about those demonstrations because you kind of stand up and you think, okay, the people are beginning to push back. The worry is that people just accept, but there seems to be pushback. So tell us about those kind of demonstrations.[23:04] Well, particularly, I think since the turn of the year in the working class era before actually in East Wall in Dublin, there was a community there being encroached upon and they rose up and very successfully and very momentously and a lot of people around the world started to pay attention to this. And then there have been other places in Mullingar for more, different towns around the countryside. And what you see there is not, you see the slimy lying media tried to present this as a far right and radicalized by these shadowy figures from abroad and so on.So the utter nonsense drivel, lies.[23:42] And what it's actually the communities themselves, it's women with prams marching.And of course, then what happens is that Antifa and these people that LGBT thugs, who want to just wade in with their hammers, etc. can't do that.And they're rather annoyed by this. and they accused the marchers of putting their children at risk.Well, there would be no risk if these scumbags didn't come near them.[24:09] You know, so, you know, like we need to get, I think, really, you might think my language is a little strong, but that's what I think is most important about this, that the Irish people learn to ramp up their outrage, and trust their repugnance of these people and speak the words that describe them.[24:30] Because when you are dealing with something profane, you have to use profane language.[24:36] Or you do not communicate its true nature. And that's why I use those words. And I think that's beginning to happen now. The two things are happening. One is that people are realizing that the cost of saying nothing, of being quiet, quiescent and mute is too great.
We need the same back when Ireland was founded, their uprising and then fighting to gain their independence and that's exactly what you need, fighting for the right to reclaim your culture, what it is to be Irish and to not let politicians decide for you. So it is exciting to see that.[25:17] Yes it is and it's interesting that it's come from the working class and there's a very interesting parallel here to be drawn with the COVID episode, because again in that episode we saw, the quiescence of the so-called intellectual classes, the educated classes, the artist classes, you know, the the journalists classes, you know, so on. And it, but when you actually went into a working class community, people were common sense to get above what was happening, and saw right through it. And so now, you know, this is the extraordinary thing that, you know, that a culture, and this is very important, that considering that the impact this has made in a short time, without any recourse to reasonable coverage in the national media, all antagonistic, all lying, all mendacious and so on.[26:08] Without artists, poets, singers, so-called, you know, singing songs at their rallies and so on.These are just ordinary people saying, no, no, enough, enough now. This is our country.We were born here. Our children have been born here. We want to preserve this country for them and for their children. And you will not destroy it. Because remember, there's another factor here, which is somewhat obviously opaque because the police force refused to police migrants by and large. But there have been countless stories of rapes, of all kinds of intimidation, of thefts.[26:48] And so on, which the authorities refuse to even speak about. And indeed in which they will be gladly twist the facts in order to make it look like it is the indigenous population that are responsible. And we've had several incidents of that in the past year. Going back this time last year, a woman called Ashley Murphy was murdered by a migrant. And immediately, again, under the influence of the American experience of street theatre and so on, the street, suddenly, almost like as soon as it happened, the street was flooded with people with placards protesting against Irish misogyny.You had the similar thing in Sligo then in April last, where two men, two gay men were, basically executed by a Muslim. They were decapitated and castrated.And the president and other people and the LGBT scumbags went out and attacked the Irish for being homophobic.[27:50] You couldn't make it up, really couldn't.
 
This is what you're dealing with.I mean, you're dealing with a country that is so corrupt that, you know, the word is completely inadequate.We need new words. You know, the word, the nearest word that I can come up with or that I've discovered, that kind of gives a resonance of where we are, Peter, in Ireland now is the word that describes the nature of our government.And that word is Kakistocracy. Kakistocracy. Government by the worst. Yeah.That's what we have in Ireland.[28:23] Kakistocracy.
 
Tell us about, because in the UK we are having people, obviously the boats coming over, the little boats coming over the English Channel from France into Dover, into Kent, that's what's visible.And that's I think 50,000 last year, talking about 80,000 plus this year.But you've also got, that's only part of the issue. I think we've had a million people come into the country last year, that's legal and illegal.But it is often the visible route or those little boats coming over, that's the immediacy.But there are many other ways.What is the situation with Ireland? Is it the boats coming in with goods and services and people on?Where is, where are the routes coming into Ireland?
These people are being bussed in, they're being brought in by the government now.Essentially they're being flown in, they're flying in on planes like by an ARC.There was a period when there were boats arriving and so on, but we've kind of moved on from that.There's no necessity for them to go surreptitiously. They can get a flight to Ireland, the government will pay for it.They're told by the NGOs not to display their papers. Whether they hold onto them or not, we don't know.On some instances they don't.They throw them in the bin on the way off the plane, whatever.And so on. And to put a kind of a quantifier on what's happening, I mean[29:51] It's very hard because you cannot trust a single word that the authorities tell you about anything.[29:57] But I do know certain things about this because, I mean, first of all, there is the anecdotal[30:05] facility that we have. And I know that many times, if I've been in the middle of Dublin, I don't want to go in there now because it's a terrible place. But you would walk maybe from a place like the Four Courts to the pier station, which is about a mile and a half. And I would, as an exercise to myself, listen to accents and say, well, what proportion of these are Irish?And generally the Irish proportion would come out as somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of those.[30:33] So that's kind of a snapshot. But the statistics, of course, don't bear any resemblance to that.Now, I don't say necessarily that that percentage in the middle of Dublin is accurate as to the entirety of the country, but it is an indicator of something. Now another indicator is if we look at some statistics that I've seen for the decade from up to 2019, which is just before the period I've been talking about, the Covid period, when it is clear that on average in that period 120,000, immigrants came into Ireland each year in that period. But interestingly as well, 105,000 Irish people left. Now you just think about that. So we still have emigration, which is a historical problem we've had in Ireland, going into the mid-19th century, they're called the famines, to great famines, as it were.[31:32] That amounts to like, you know, very interesting when you go into that, because when you take away, you see the government strategy is to cancel one out against the other, more or less. That isn't, this is actually a replacement of one by the other. And more than replacement. So that means that you have well over a million from that decade alone, you know, and that's their official figures.[31:54] Now, I don't believe these people are telling us anything like half the truth. So, you know, You have to say there are words now that we have 25% of our population is non-national.And that would have happened within, that would have gone from pretty much a very low base, in 20 years, and particularly acceleratingly as I say, so in the last two years.[32:16] Now, when you factor in then another element, which is the fertility rates, respective fertility rates of the indigenous population, the Irish population, which has been now in recent years subject by these politicians to an abortion referendum which legalized it and in fact is, funded by the public purse, right? We, even though we object to the murder of children, have to pay for it when our taxes, you know, it's obscene beyond description. But, you know, if you just compare it to the fertility rate, as people will know, you know, replacement rate for the population, the current population of a country is it needs 2.1 children per adult female. Now, the figure for Ireland given is 1.8 but when you zoom in on that you realize that actually that figure includes the incoming population. So it's not representative because in many instances the fertility rate among those populations like for example in Somalia is something like five.[33:15] And so on. So therefore what you're looking at a situation where Ireland has I would say an an estimate of 1.3, which is about as low as it has gone so far in Europe.[33:25] And that's way below the replacement rate. In fact, it's way beyond the level that at which the population falls off a cliff, which is said to be 1.6 in a generation you've gone.You've lost your population. You've lost your you were a mere lump within the society.And that's where we're headed.[33:45] And they seem intent and then when you say that to you, you know, this is where it gets completely laughable to actually, you know, even though the UN uses the term replacement in relation to, to, you know, elderly demographics and so on.If I or anybody on our side of the argument uses the word replacement, that's regarded as a racist concept.And they just will say that I'm just repeating it. And because they control the entirety of the media, that's what other people, the ordinary people who are affected by this, pick up and then throw it out without thinking.[34:17] Unless it until it comes to knock on their doors. That is what that they would if you say, if I start saying, oh, yeah, that's for replacement theory.That's a racist concept.You know, this sort of stuff. And another concept that is supposed to be racist is a cultural Marxism, which is the opinion ideology of all of this, which is the ideology of the use of a victim, as a battering ram to destroy Western civilization. And that's what's going on.
Tell us, because Ireland is a small country, 4 million, the UK is well, we're told as me...
We're five now Peter, sorry.
Oh you're five, sorry. But for a small country, And that's massively affected.With the UK, you go up to the Midlands, you go up to Bradford and areas like that, and there used to be a church in every street corner. It's literally now a mosque in every street corner.I've walked around seeing it.But the change really in the country, with a large country, the change has been a little bit more gradual.With Ireland, the change has been very rapid.I mean, because that is an utterly destructive effect on a country which is so small.
Oh yeah, well you can see that already. You can see it on the roads in the traffic, you know, and you can see it on the M50 which circles Dublin. It's just a gridlock in the evening time.You can see it in the hospitals which are overrun.[35:42] There's lots of ways you can measure it. And then they tell us that there's loads of capacity, Ireland's a big country, and a lot of landmass.And I find this particularly interesting because I've been around a long time, and I remember being involved in arguments trying to suggest that we need a better, more evenly distributed[36:05] distribution of resources throughout the country in order to make sure that the West and the the South grew in a proper way.And of course I was told there's nothing down there only bog, but now it seems they've forgotten about the bog and it seems we can now take tens of millions of foreigners in our country.So this is the thing, you see, okay, well look, Peter you have to really then stop because it's quite clear, and we go back to that word, kakistocracy.It's quite clear that the people doing this have no conscious or thoughts whatsoever for the effects it's going to have in so far as that they[36:46] don't care if they damage Ireland, they don't care if they destroy Ireland, they don't care what happens to the people of Ireland. That's quite clear. There's no doubt about it now. They're more or less saying that the Irish people are not entitled to get houses before migrants. That's policy now in effect. Even no matter how long they've been on the list, they're not entitled to to continue, they're taken off the list or they're pushed back and the migrants are ushered ahead.Now, you know, I, and this is all being used with a kind of a blackmail tactic of, you know, are you a Christian or are you not a Christian? All this nonsense. People who haven't a Christian hair on their heads. You know, like, so you then have to look at these people and ask, well, what is going on? Why are they doing this? Are these the same people who asked for our votes?[37:36] Not that long ago? Are these the people who promised that they would look after our country.[37:41] And that they would take care of it better than the others? Well, now one of the things we notice is that they're all saying the same thing. So that this isn't just that it's one party or the government, it's the government and the opposition and the fringe leftists or whatever they are parties down to maybe you'll get two or three independents who are dissenting in a certain kind of sort of a kind of way. And you have to say then that essentially what it means is that Ireland is completely captured and is captured by an ideology that is intent upon destroying it, and that the leadership and the political class know about this.And that they're working it through on behalf of the interest, whether they're being paid, whether they've been blackmailed, whether they've been threatened with hurt or damage, I don't know.[38:32] But they're doing it willingly. And they're doing it in such a barefaced way that no sensible person, could do other than gasp at what they're saying and what they're responsible for doing. So[38:45] the question then is how much longer it will take for the people fully to awaken.And see not just this issue but all the others as well. And then the next question is well, what could we possibly do about it? Well, you know, I've said it before, Peter, I think the only hope for Ireland really now is complete collapse. The complete collapse of the Irish economy for many years, maybe a decade, might actually have the consequence of readiness of all of these problems, readiness of the political establishment has been responsible. We thought we done that before, by the way, in 2010, 11. But they came back, the same people, which is a long story, but an interesting one. We might talk about it some other day. And, you know, so I think that, you know, if the Irish economy could collapse, and I think it might in the coming year or two.[39:40] I think, and Europe, of course, with it. I think that we would have a hope of basically our country going back[39:49] 30, 40 years and building again from the ground up.
 
Well, you're right, because Ireland has grown really and had spectacular growth.[40:01] We're told the tiger economy with a lot of foreign investment because of the tax, low taxes, having an educated population, English speaking population right on the edge of Europe.And it's grown on the back of that and made Ireland a desirable despite all the different crashes.But if Ireland is no longer desirable, then people obviously move from Mogadishu to Dublin, because there's an attraction.But if the society collapses, that attraction goes. So that does make sense then that reverses that immigration.
Well, first of all, I want to clarify a little bit about the economic story because that is a mythology which is broadcast by political interests. The reality is that Irish economy[40:53] is dying, has been dying for decades. What you're talking about there, what they talk about, what they promote and trumpet around the world is a cuckoo in the nest economy which comprises entirely multinational corporations who benefit Ireland almost only to the extent that there's a little trickle which falls at their feet and that we lick up off the ground. The economy of Ireland, if they came into Ireland those people promising to create jobs and the assumption was that there would be jobs for Irish people. Google, take one example, would you like to guess how many of the the Irish population, what proportion of it is Irish, of the staff of Google?
You'd expect like maybe 50%?[41:37] 5%. And that draws the picture for you. This is a complete con. The Celtic Tiger was a con, of course it was. It was just simply a bicycle pumping up a bubble and then burst. And we ended up with a debt of something like 50 odd billion, which includes the debts of half of Europe as well well as our own. And now we are in this situation where we have all these, like for example, we have data processing plants in all over Ireland, hundreds of them, which are using up more electricity than the entire population put together. They're also using water to cool down these things, which means that this summer we're going to have a dramatic drought, in Ireland. Already the signs that the reservoirs are very low and we're still in February, the months that historically we were told fills the dikes, not only nowhere, the dikes are now empty or very near to us. And this is all part of the same pattern, you know. So the Irish economy has been struggling and of course it was delivered a series of absolutely lethal hammer blows during the COVID episode where many people were put out of business, small businesses, you know, all over the country. And that is still to work its way through.[43:00] So this is all happening at this time. Now you'd have to conclude Peter that this is clearly no plan, for the development of Ireland in any way what's happening. It is the plan for mysteriously and opaquely and so on and so on and so on. Who can possibly see into this? Who could predict it? Who could have predicted it? It is a plan for the destruction of Ireland, the permanent obliteration of the Irish people from their own country and their attestation by people who presumably by, by virtue of having no attachment to the sand bank, as it will be, as Thomas Davis warned us against, that they will be people that will simply just do whatever work they have to do, spend their money and not cause any trouble, that there will be no talking about patriotism or any of that nonsense in the future, and that the authorities and the secret unknowns who run the world will have no headaches emanating from the island of Ireland.[43:59] Well, just finally, looking at what's happened in the UK, actually a commentator I heard yesterday, on the radio was talking about the cohesion of a culture collapsing and people pushing back. AndI think that's just as we're seeing in Liverpool and in touched before. And I think that's what I see that hope that it's no longer shrugging your shoulders and accepting it, but it is a pushback, from the people.
 
I think it's, you see, it's so desperate now. We're now at the point where desperate measures are necessary. And you can't predict what will happen in that situation because you[44:39] can't judge people by their responses in peacetime. And you might have got the impression that the Irish people in the last three years were very docile and compliant and so on and so on. And some of them are undoubtedly, but I don't think they all are by any means. There's a spirit there.That burns, that has guttered a little bit in the last three years, but is now beginning to sort of liven up a little bit. And I think I wouldn't like to be a politician in the coming couple of years.[45:04] Exactly. Well, John, I appreciate you coming on and sharing what exactly has been happening over in Ireland. So thank you for being with us today.
Thank you, Peter. Great pleasure.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

How’s the craic?It's another Irish night at Hearts of Oak as David Vance joins us afresh to give us his honest and often scathing appraisals on the talking points, from the news and his social media this past week. Under the microscope this episode.....- The Invasion: Illegal channel migration expanding.- Tribunal due to rule on Shamima Begum’s citizenship case.- Florida issues new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer a heart attack after taking experimental Covid jab.- Better late than never: Past COVID infection 'as good as vaccines' at preventing severe illness.- Brexit: The betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons?- Trump statement on Sturgeon's resignation in Scotland.- Those prosecuted for silently praying outside an abortion clinic are cleared after arrest by police sparked fury.- Lolz. ‘Chinese spy balloon’ shot down over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.- Net Zero Bollocks: Log burner rule change in England could land users with £300 fines.- LGBT-BS 24/7: Trans NHS- Food inflation skyrockets in the UK. Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 18.2.23
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[0:22] Thank you for joining us. David Vance, thank you for coming on this evening to share your wisdom.[0:27] My pleasure. And don't forget, you're also streaming on Twitter as well.[0:33] We're on my Twitter and your Twitter, our Twitter. Two Twitters become one.[0:42] The wonders of technology. We'll pull in comments as they appear on the side. And as always, lots happening. I don't know if we will get through the stories. David, I noticed you had a[0:59] great guest. I'm sure all your guests are great. But Christina Bobb you had on recently. Do you want to just mention that just to give people a flavour of what they may have missed?
Well, very, very simple. It's kind of ironic. A lovely guest, a really good person. Christina, as you know, is an attorney to the Donald Trump 2024 campaign. She was involved back in 2020 as well. She'd written a book, Peter, about essentially the shenanigans concerning 2020 and the lessons to be drawn from that so that 2024 isn't a repeat of 2020. So we had a great conversation. She made a lot of good points. I mean, she's very much on the, ball and then I got an email the next day from our good friends at YouTube saying you're not allowed to discuss the 2020 election. How dare you? We're taking this video off our site and, and we're giving you a seven day strike.Take that Christina Bobb, take that David Vance, take that Donald Trump. This is the cancer that is[2:01] Google slash YouTube. So yeah, what can you say, Peter? You're having a civilized conversation.Christina is a very, I mean, she's an attorney, so she knows how to speak in non-inflammatory terms and kind of fact-based questioning, but that's not allowed, which tells me that the scandal of 2020, Is so great that over in YouTube and Google, they're just not prepared to countenance, you know, so[2:29] maybe with our friend, Wachiki, having left the building, maybe Google, I don't know if it's, going to write itself or not, but anyway, Trump won.
 
Exactly. Yeah, you should know better, David, than streaming it. Come on.
 
I'm reckless. Well, the thing is, Facebook, I streamed it there, It was fine. But YouTube, oh no, you can't do that one. So yeah, I think I'll be very[2:57] selective what I bothered streaming. In fact, actually, Peter, I might not even stream. I might, just do shorts over in YouTube because it's such a, it's such a censorious assess, but there's not a good content on it. Don't get me wrong. But for people like me that want to get out more, that's challenging stuff. But it's the first strike I've had in quite a while. So there you go.[3:23] Well let's jump into some of the stories and let's have a look at immigration and let's see if I can play this. My producer is away at the moment so it'll just be me. Let me see if I can pull this up.
[3:39] For the people smugglers, increased police activity around Dunkirk and Calais has made, their regular launch points more difficult to operate from. French authorities are also busy erecting miles of extra security fencing around those beaches and that's driving the small boats further south. For years the criminal gangs have predominantly used the shortest route, to the UK, pushing off first from the beaches around Calais, then expanding to include areas near Dunkirk. While occasional boats have been launched farther south, in the past six months this route using beaches near Boulogne has seen a significant spike in activity.And for maritime...
David, well, this is obviously immigration. This was GB News covering it, talking about the difficulties of these poor individuals not being able to go the shortest route. And we've been really selfish in telling them they have to go slightly further. But yeah, you'd posted at this. Tell us your, your thoughts. Because GP news is really the only one that highlight this issue.[4:49] Yeah, it's only a matter of time to off come declare that any conversation on this is off limits, Peter. But yeah, I mean, it's seen that and the thing that struck me is number one, oh, how awful that they're being forced around the French coast a bit. I mean, the right place to, push them would be right round and down to Spain so that they then have to head back across the Mediterranean to Northern African shores where many of them come from. But yeah, I mean, the way the way the media would have you believe, you know, the sheer inhumanity of it, why, don't we build a bridge so they, you know, or a slide so they can just slide across the English Channel. It's all farcical anyway. I couldn't care less where their, you know, their start-off point is. It should never, ever end with them landing on British shores is what I think. I think our obligation is to stop every boat from wherever it comes, with these criminal gangs, Peter, driving it, and then these, frankly, criminals who are on it.[5:53] Because if you partake in a criminal act, I'm afraid that makes you a criminal.It doesn't have any other walk of life, but apparently not to these poor, disadvantaged, vulnerable men of military age coming across the channel in the dinghies.So yeah, it's interesting what's happening. Also by the way, in that video, did you see the fence that the French are putting up?.It's a bit two foot tall. I mean, you could step over it. That's stopping nobody unless they are very vertically challenged. So most people are going right over that fence or right through that fence. And this is what we're paying millions and millions to the French. Better pay the French nothing, have a strong naval presence that actually stops the boats and stops them coming here.Because once they get here, it's all over for us. you know it's straight to hotels in Knowsley or wherever else they can be found.
But David, I thought the short fences were really quite racist because they're claiming that anyone who's a foreigner is very short and us Brits are very tall.[6:57] That's right. Yes. It's more racism. I'm glad you can see the racism here because it's important, we keep our eyes spotted for this. Yeah. It's kind of like it's such a shell operation from the French.I mean, they're doing the bare minimum. And I mean, ultimately, whether it's, you know, whether it's Calais or whether it's a bit further along, what does it matter? If they come here, they're in, so we have to stop them coming here. And of course, this is a serious point, as you know, and I'm sure those watching this understand, there's absolutely no desire on, the part of British political class to stop any of them. I mean, I've seen Nigel Farage talk about this and he's right about this. There's just no desire. They don't want to know. And as you also know, the only way we can really stop it anyway is if we leave the ECHR, if we invoke our own sovereignty, and as I say, if we actually do something, but we're too scared, to do it. Our politicians are too scared to do it. So yeah, it's going to be a slightly more southern sort of starting point for them, but the finishing point is always the same, the UK.
Yeah.[8:05] Well, let's look on to actually not people coming here, but people leaving and then not being able to get back.And if only they were all like Shamima Begum in that we would strip them off the right to stay.But this is, I think, shocking to most people, tribunal to rule on Shamima Begum's citizenship case next week.So she's in this legal battle with the government demanding, no, I know I'm a terrorist and I went off with ISIS but hey, I'm actually just a nice girl now, if they're right.But it's such a waste of time and money, it's madness.
 
It is Peter, it's all of that and worse.So I think there's a fair chance that Islamic bride Shamima Begum will be permitted back into the UK.You've seen, I'm sure people may have seen over the past couple of weeks.[8:58] Stories going out about her almost treating her like she's a model, a kind of a fashion icon.[9:05] This is the same lady who did say that she felt that the Manchester Arena bombing, that terrible event that happened back in 2017 was justified. She said that.Same lady who said, I mean, when you think of, I mean, I put a podcast out on this today, because I was contrasting.So Shamima Beggum being treated by the parts of the media as a fashion icon is kind of shocking.And yet she sympathized with the bomber, the Jihadi, who killed all those kids and their, moms and dads. So awful stuff.And at the same time, and this is where I draw the contrast, and this is why, yes, I I do hate the British establishment.Morrissey, the singer Morrissey, then releases an album or tries to release an album, the title track of which, is specifically about the rage he felt over the bombing at that Manchester Arena.And well, what's happened to him? Well, it's not being released.That's what's happened to him.[10:11] So he's taken a view, which I think many people will feel, looking back at events like that, we shouldn't look back.They say, don't look back in anger.Morrissey says, we should look back in anger. And I say that as well.But he's non-persona, he's cancelled.Meanwhile, I reckon there's a fair chance that Shamima Begum will come back to the UK, and be hailed as some kind of new woman, strong, empowered woman coming back to bring much needed diversity, which no doubt she picked up in the Islamic State camps to the UK.Oh, what joy.[10:48] Diversity, that's what we're missing. Before I jump on to some of our COVID stories, let me just pull up some of the comments here.I've got the Gettr tab open. So Tiger Boy 1985, first on Evening Peter and David.Then Canadian Mom 1997, Evening Peter and David. Biotech Babe, Chris Davis 33, Melismac.We have, I'm trying to, there are lots, yep, there are lots of you there.So I'm scrolling, scrolling. Thank you for, few picture comments there.Thank you for joining us.And I hope we'll provide some entertainment for you as the evening progresses.So let's stay on, let's jump on to COVID, from immigration to COVID.And is this really quite an unusual story?A story of course David that we thought should have been there right at the beginning, but anti-lockdown Florida, I don't know if the Daily Mail are saying that's good or bad, anyway, issues controversial new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer heart attack after COVID shot.So the Florida Health have put out a release telling doctors to issue these warnings.[12:07] It's quite an unusual story, quite an unusual thing happening now. What do you, this obviously caught your eye.
Well it did because I mean again the rank hypocrisy of the plagiarists in the Daily Mail.[12:21] I use the word plagiarist advisedly because it plagiarized me during the week.[12:26] So yeah, anti-lockdown Florida. Well, so is that pejorative? Can they not just say Florida? Do they have to put that in? There's the first point. The second point, it made me laugh this actually, you know, the issue of controversial new guidance. What's controversial about it? It's fact-based, no doubt about it, that we know empirically, no argument that the COVID jabs can cause[12:51] cardiovascular events such as heart attacks. So we know that. So, you know, I don't understand where the Daily Mail is coming from that, you know, they could cause heart attacks. Of course, they do cause heart attacks. We know that. But maybe Peter, I like the broader picture is perhaps, beyond the remit of the awful Daily Mail, is that this dam that is breaking, I've been going on about this now, I think the last time we talked as well, I think more and more as the weeks go by, the months go by they can't hold back.They just can't hold back the truth coming out about the jabs, about the adverse reactions, about all the horrors, the stuff that we were talking about, we were shouting about, back at the end of 2020 before they even started the jabs. We warned. And now, yeah, the Daily Mail, and I think this is, see, this is the function of organizations like the Daily Mail. They go ahead of the game a little bit to start maybe, you know, preparing people for the awful reality that, that the jabs do cause heart attacks and the jabs do everything but give you that which you were told.So I thought it was an interesting headline. So maybe the Daily Mail is just softening people up for whenever we get more and more stories, more and more information and we can see exactly what has been going on for two years.So I thought it was a significant headline, although I do dispute much of what the Daily Mail actually says.[14:21] Oh yeah, let me just bring up one of the graphs they also included, which again, this shows the adverse reactions and they actually say this is a 1700% increase.Now, it would be good if they had actually led with that instead of including that away at the beginning.Because they've given the reason and yeah, you're right, they're seemingly attacking, the officials in Florida.But yet they include the data that shows the reasons why.Again, it doesn't make sense. The story, the headline doesn't really connect with the truth they give.
That's right.Exactly, Peter. And all the way through this, we've argued from a position of facts and data, because, I think that's the only basis for argument really, because if it's just opinion, one, man's opinion is another man's poison.But when you look at the data, like that chart you just put up, I mean...You know, and there's more and more of this coming out. I mean, if you look at excess deaths.[15:24] which we've all been talking about, it's unstoppable now. I think Germany, I put up a thing today, Germany sitting at 50 percent excess deaths. Do you know? And I mean, and I take, there's no pleasure at all in being proven right. But by the same token, there's no pleasure about, being ignored when you're trying to do the right thing and warn people. So yeah, I mean, you know, it looks, wow, it looks like something happened in 2021. In fact, actually, if you look at Germany, which is even worse, you can actually see the big spikes in excess deaths and all these events, coincide with the first jab, the second jab and the booster jab. It's clear as day. And, you know, know, I think that they're at the point now where they know this just absolute deluge of information is going to overwhelm the defences they have stuck up for the past couple of years. So at least Peter, we've been on the right side throughout this. And I just feel sorry for people who, you know, who went along, who believed the authorities. And we have to be careful not to be, you know, too sort of patronising to them. I feel bad for them, because a lot of them have woken up themselves and said, whoa, no more of this for us.Mind you, if you're in Canada and you say that, you're not getting an organ transplant.[16:44] I saw that, pure evil from Trudeau.[16:48] So that was the Daily Mail wakening up, and this is Sky News wakening up.Past COVID infection, as good as vaccines at preventing severe illness.While the research suggests that natural immunity could be just as good as vaccines are preventing serious illness from COVID-19 infection, the study's authors encourage people to still get vaccinated to avoid any complications from the initial infection.David, unpack this.
 
Yeah, well, you see, yeah, this is interesting, this one, Peter, because, what they're trying to say is that natural immunity is as good as anything that the vaccines give.That's what they're trying to say. But at the same time, still encourage people to take the vaccines because sky like the BBC, like all mainstream media are 100% in the pocket of the government one way or another. So that's why they're saying that. But you see, I've got an issue with, I've always got issues with these things. I've got an issue with this because I dispute the fact that natural immunity is the important thing. That's what we all have.[18:02] And it's a really good defence mechanism. But they're trying to suggest that, yeah, it's as good as anything the vaccines give you. No, it's much better because the vaccines don't give you any immunity. The vaccines weaken your immune system. They call all these adverse reactions we've just been chatting about. So even in a way, Peter, I can't accept this bit of it, where they're saying, oh, the two jabs isn't any better than having natural immunity.It's way worse. It's way worse because natural immunity, what you've got, what I've got, which a lot of people watching this will have, it's not going to give us myocarditis or Bell's palsy or cripple us or give us infertility issues. None of those things from natural immunity. But, if you take an experimental mRNA jab, then there's a very good chance you might get potentially some of those things. So, you know, yeah, again, I think it's all softness up. So natural immunity.I remember the conversations. Don't you, way back with Fauci and this one and the likes of Chris Whitty, when people did bring up the, you know, the whole thing about, well, you know, natural immunity is very strong and I remember them looking straight into the camera[19:15] and lying and say, no, no, no, no, no, the vaccines, the super duper vaccines are much better.They're, you know, and you look back in it now, and sometimes it's like we've lived through a complete nightmare. And we lived through it. And we were awake and throughout it, you know, and you look back at what they were those guys were saying, and now they're confounded by the very story you put up and that's sky running it, by the way, who were big shells for the jab.So yeah, ultimately it's just interesting to watch this, isn't it?
They are big shills. The weird thing is that it talks about the studies, their 65 surveys, but they said it was partially funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
I thought that was a weird comment to include in the story.[20:05] Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, is that Sky covering their backsides?Uncle Bill phones them up and says, what's this? What are you trying to put out?I don't know. It was strange.But I mean, again, it's just ultimately as we both believe and many people watching believe, truth will out and the truth is emerging all the time.And so, you know, all of a sudden, yeah, natural immunity. Oh, it's really quite good.And these vaccines, well, maybe they're not what we told you they were. Maybe they're not.And you give it six months and give it a year. And I just think this is just going to, you know, that's why they have to distract us, Peter.That's why I think with these kind of stories breaking, that's why you've got UFOs over the United States.That's where I, that's why I also think, you know, we have disappearing women near the riverbank in the United Kingdom. I think it's distraction politics.Don't look there, look over there.So they're losing, you know, Zelensky and Ukraine, they're absolutely losing to Russia.So let's not talk about that. And then the COVID truth is emerging, let's not talk about that.Well, no, let's do talk about that. And I'm not, you know, and forget their silly youthful stories, their silly spy balloons and also bizarre stories about missing women.
Right. They're not again the myths that just utterly bonkers that story and being the main story and it's random. It just, yeah.[21:33] But anyway, we're enough down the rabbit hole, so let's continue.
Yeah, yeah, we can go a lot further than that.
We'll go there. Northern Ireland.[21:46] That we are told that it's all going to come good here. GB News reporting Rishi Sunak is saying don't worry, that major announcement coming up.But you don't really buy this. Your comment was the betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons.
Yeah, of course it does.I don't believe any of that. No, no.So this is obviously with regard to the Northern Ireland protocol and the fact that the DUP, won't go back into government until essentially the border of the Irish sea is removed. And, we have Sunak and the EU in cahoots with each other. And I think he came over here, Peter, on Friday, Sunak, for a flying visit. And I think that was to try, I mean, all the pro-EU parties seem really happy about it. They're real happy about it. DUP, I think, with good[22:40] reason or asking a lot of sort of we'll have to wait to see all the details. I think what the, see my theory about all of this is that the British government and Boris Johnson, they left Northern Ireland in the single market and subject to the ECJ for a good reason and that was that by leaving, a part of the UK in those areas that that created friction. How do you solve that friction? Well, if the rest of the UK was to be closer linked to the single market and closer linked to the ECJ, then there wouldn't be a problem at all. And I do think that's the end game. I don't know, they're not going to get to it, but that's where they want to get this one. So I reckon I've been here before so often in matters Northern Ireland, they play this game, you know, will there be a deal? Won't there be a deal? Oh, it's one minute to midnight. Oh, you know, all this stuff, all it's all theatre, it's all sort of media hype. And they'll come out with something and they'll try and bounce the DUP in it if they can. And I would hope, and I've spoken to DUP friends and said to them, you know, I think you should stick to what you've said all along. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. We shouldn't be treated any differently, no better, but no worse. We shouldn't have borders between us and the rest of our, you know, our fellow British citizens. And so if Sunak[24:06] can't respect that, then we should with all due respect tell the Prime Minister to go and do one because we're not interested. And it looks like there is some Brexiteer resistance within the, Conservative Party still that is similarly inclined to that mindset. So in other words, you know, Prime Minister, treat this part of the UK like everywhere else. Don't try and do[24:28] You know, sort of dodgy deals with the European Union. But yet I think he will try and do a dodgy deal with the European Union.[24:36] Well, what are your thoughts, because obviously following Northern Ireland politics, being, Northern Irish, but watching it from afar over here in London, Jeffrey Donaldson seems to be someone who is invisible. I mean, Arlene Foster was always out there on the media. And my perception is the DUP are completely silent, that they may be very vocal in Northern Ireland, but actually the message doesn't seem to be getting out there. Is that a fair assessment?[25:11] Well, they've got no media friends, you see, that's the problem. So if you take to the local media, the Northern Irish media, I mean, the only time the DUP has come on is to be beaten up.I have sympathies for the DUP. Like for example, like last, I mean here's a small example of the, utter cynicism of the media and the politicians towards the DUP. So they tried to push through a law called Dáithí's Law last week, Dáithí's Law, named after a little six-year-old boy who needed organ transplant. And this law would basically, if it was enabled in Northern Ireland, mean that[25:52] just like the rest of the UK, you would be automatically, the government would have first dabs to your body if you die. At the moment, we've got the much better position where we're naturally opted out, we have to opt in. So that's how it should be. Because there's no way the government should be able to claim that, which it does in England, Scotland and Wales. So that's a position. And what this law would do is bring us in line with the rest of the UK. And of course, it plays on the heartstrings, little boys, you know, they're going to die if they don't get the organ transplant. And the only way that can happen is if the DUP go back into the assembly, appoint a speaker and then enact the law. So to be fair to the DUP, they stood against that bit of emotional blackmail this week. So although Peter they're silent in media terms,[26:46] there's a relative strength still there. And I think electorally, they don't fear an election, unlike the conservatives. So there's good reason for them, hopefully not to cave. But like all political parties, you know this from yourself, there's a spectrum of opinion within each party.So there'll be some people in the DUP saying, well, maybe if it's not too bad a deal, we should go that way. But I think the fear of them then being seen to have compromised and sold out would mean that they'd be punished in the May council elections.So I think the DUP will probably dismiss whatever it is Rishi Sunak and the European Union have, plans. But it does tell you plenty that Sunak's in league with the EU.What more can I say?
 
You mentioned the story and I read that story and how it came across to me over here was that because an agreement has not been reached, obviously no one can get any transplants anymore, so the whole health system must have stopped. And that's how you get all these people dying because they can't get any transplants. So now you've explained, actually I completely understand.[28:00] What the truth is, but it shows how the media spin it.
Well, it absolutely does. I mean, this is the same media that was spinning because of the energy hikes and the government brought out £600 payments to help alleviate.People were saying, oh, unless the assemblies, Northern Ireland Stormont Assembly is put, back in place, no one's going to get anything. We got it all before anyone else in the UK.This is why I'm a great advocate for not having government. I've learned that by not having a functioning government here, things get done better and faster and without the same sort of political grandstanding and all the rest of it. So my sincere hope is that the the assembly is not restored and we continue in Limbo.It's great.[28:44] Now one politician you do like, we all like and miss is this man here, Mr. Donald Trump.This was a, I hadn't actually seen the statement until I saw it on your Twitter page and it, is beautiful.Let me just read this is the statement on, I was going to say the death of Nicola Sturgeon, resignation of Nicola Sturgeon. And Trump says, good riddance to failed, woke, extremist, Nicola Sturgeon of Scotland. This crazed leftist symbol. Oh, it is absolutely beautiful. And this is what we are missing. Trump actually causing chaos in the White House.
It's superb. It was the best bet. The whole thing about her resignation. This was the best. But this is the language, this is what makes people love Trump, I think. It certainly makes us love Trump because he absolutely didn't hold back at all. And he mentions, I mean, he's aware of the gender recognition reform, but he's aware of all of that stuff.I thought it was brilliant, Peter. Beautiful, as you say. Absolutely fantastic. And you compare that actually how Trump responded to her resignation to how Rishi Sunak responded saying, Oh, we would like to thank her for her service, blah, blah, blah.[30:09] I thought, you know, there was Trump. I mean, the only thing is he did bring up his golf course.I mean, he can't help these things, can he?Leave your golf, leave your golf course out of it.[30:19] I appreciate probably the SNP weren't helpful to him, but please.There's a difference. But it was otherwise 100 percent brilliant.And that's what we we missed. Those mean tweets. It's about time Donald Trump got himself onto Twitter, because if he's going to get elected, he needs that audience.
I agree. He needs to be everywhere as you and I are. So moving on to continuing the politics line, a piece of good news.And I think last week when I had Lewis Brackpool on, I think we just touched on this, mentioned this because it had just come out, but it's all come out now.And this is, you've interviewed her before David. Catholic woman prosecuted for silently praying outside abortion clinic is cleared after arrest by police sparked fury among supporters who condemned thought crime.It's also very good news, but it doesn't really clear up what actually are people's rights or not.But tell us about this because you've spoken to her, you've had Victoria or Isabel on.
 
Isabel, yeah, yeah.I had Isabel on for a chat there. The thing is, the background is pretty obvious.Was arrested for praying in the vicinity of an abortion clinic, silently.[31:40] And the very fact that that can happen in the UK should cause everyone great concern, you know.And when I spoke with Isabel, I mean, she knew that she was going to be taken to court this month, and they've dropped the case.Because they obviously decided on the balance of evidence that they probably couldn't get her on it.But I'm relieved about that because although having said that, as I did say to her at the time, When she was interviewed by the police and the policeman said to her, are you praying?Do you remember that? And she said, I might be.I might be. And on the basis of her saying, I might be, that's when the arrest was made.Now that's probably illegitimate.Had she said, yes, I was praying, then on the basis of the restriction order, because restriction order does actually say you're not allowed to do anything that could be perceived.So listen, it's a good news story. Let's not take it. I'm so happy for Isabel. I'm sure it's a lot of relief from her. But these kind of orders that they are definitely experimenting with, and maybe this one, they didn't get this one away, but there'll be somebody else and it'll be someone, innocuous, someone like Isabel who's a really decent person, a prayerful person, someone who,[33:04] you know, you couldn't fault the thing that she said. When I did the stream with her, I mean, the response from my viewers, Peter, was universally, this is such a courageous, brave, lady, but why is she being, why is she being, why was she arrested and why is she being prosecuted?And a lot of people outside the UK can't believe that it could happen, but it did. And we need to make sure that, you know, things like this don't reoccur. But ultimately, I'm happy that it's a good result for Isabel. But I hope other people could do it. Like if someone wanted to go and do pray outside an abortion clinic tomorrow, what would happen? And I guess, you know, I don't know.[33:43] It all points back to the politicization of her place and how the police operate in the country.And I think that's a big problem still.
 
No, it is, it is. And of course all this happening under conservative government, as I do always like to point out, so much for that. And this is, again, this isn't a story about, pro-life or pro-choice, it's a story about freedom of speech and the right to stand on a corner and to pray. So it is about those fundamental freedoms and it's not necessarily about the whole abortion debate.[34:17] It's really exactly, it's not about the abortion debate at all really. I mean if people want to have a silent prayer in the vicinity of, and we talked about this at the time, it's such an, incredibly stupid law. I can't believe that they conceived of this and that councils and whatnot are using it to create these situations around different places, you know. But yeah, it's just and saying, I mean, you mentioned the fact that it's happening under a conservative, government. No, it's not because this isn't a conservative government. These bunch of imposters in the conservative party, almost unilaterally, not maybe all of them, but almost unilaterally, are fake conservatives. I mean, they haven't conservative bone in their body.They don't care about free speech. They don't care about all the things which I reckon that all the patriotic people who would have in times gone by, sort of, were the Conservative Party, believing. They don't care about any of those things. It's all about power, it's all about[35:20] control, it's all about stamping down on free speech. And, you know, so, yeah, so they're not, I just wanted to correct you, they're not really conservatives, they're imposter conservatives.
Conservative in name only.
 
In name only. Cheetos, yeah. Cheetos Peter, yeah.
So let's go, you touched on the balloon UFOs, let's touch because there have been new revelations David.And the new revelation is, according to The Sun, that the Chinese spy balloon shot over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.I mean this just changes the whole story.
 
I know, it's clown world.It's absolute clown world. I think with the release of the Epstein papers, which we've now seen all the details on, I, think having narratives like this, which did dominate the media, I mean, it was amazing.And then here we go, Peter, as you say, you've got it up on the screen there.It may have belonged to the US amateur ballooning group. So you know, what he sent up, what was it?[36:24] I can't remember what the aircraft was.
 
It was an F-22 they sent up,a very expensive trip, a very expensive trip actually.To shoot down a 32-inch balloon.So just a small balloon.[36:40] Yeah, as I pointed out, the real balloon problem is in the White House.It's not up in the 40,000 feet or whatever these balloons were.But yeah, you had all this madness going on in the past week or so, and all these objects being shot down, as you say, at extreme expense.And the White House even initially saying, well, we don't know about the balloons.We don't know where these objects, where they come from.ET phone home. And so they were almost going with the, it could be extra-terrestrial story.And then because that was so ludicrous, then they started to back away from that.And then it was China, China, China. But actually, Peter, what's interesting is back in 2017, 2018, the US was boasting about the fact that it was trialling,[37:30] I don't understand this balloons. I mean, are we going back in time?I mean, do you know what I mean? We got satellites. What do we want balloons for?They were doing balloons as well. So, I mean, it doesn't surprise me that this could be a US balloon.[37:46] I don't know why the Chinese would be wanting to use that kind of tech. But then other people have said, oh, the one that was shot down over the Atlantic, you know, when it got the one that was spotted over Montana by a farmer, how come Norad or how come no US intelligence services were able to tell us about it, but a farmer was able to spot it and make its way all across the, states before being shot down. Some people have said, well, it actually had anti-gravity.I mean, what do you believe? It could go to Mach 5 and have anti-gravity. And I'm thinking, well, if it could do that, how come they shot it down? So I don't know. Look, anything coming out, of the white house, your best advice is just don't believe it.[38:35] I mean, Mach 5, that would be what, three and a half thousand miles an hour. That's the fastest balloon. I don't know if balloons can travel three and a half thousand miles an hour.[38:46] Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you that Phileas Fogg would be envious. He'd be around the world in 80 minutes, never mind 80 days if he was doing that kind of speed. But we still don't really know exactly what went on other than its distraction politics and that's honestly what I really think this whole story was about. It was so bizarre the media all jumped on it Peter as you know over here Rishi Sunak declared that oh yeah there's any of those balloons over the UK I'll not hesitate to send up the, well whatever we've got left of the RAF to shoot them down so I mean your guess is as good as mine what it actually was. But it definitely was a distraction.[39:33] It was. If this was a 32 inch balloon, hobbyist balloon, then it was not the massive thing.But I'll just give you a... So an F-22 being a plane buff, the F-22 Rapture, it actually is around $85,000 per hour to fly it. So that's all it costs. It's a very expensive trip to shut down a hobbyist balloon.That's the first.But I saw a CNN story and the CNN story was they had secretly got into China and secretly gone to somewhere 300 miles away from Beijing to a secret air base and it was making these, balloons and there were all these big...This was a massive investigation by CNN.What? Yeah, it doesn't add up.
 
Yeah, listen, that's why nobody watches CNN.CNN is a stealth news channel.It doesn't actually have any viewers.It puts out this garbage, probably again to try and prop up the White House fantasy about this here.[40:46] Honestly, I would have thought that China has the technology if it wants to spy.I mean, look, for goodness sake, how many Americans have got TikTok on their phone?If you want to spy, if that's your thing, and I'm sure the Chinese do it, but I'm sure the Americans do it too.If they want to spy, you can do it through a mobile phone. You don't need to put balloons, but I do find the balloon just on the tech side of things.So we're going back. I mean, what next? Pigeons, are we gonna have spy pigeons, that have little cameras attached to them and they've been trained to fly over US military bases, shoot down the pigeons, spot the pigeon, those of a certain age will remember that.Wonderful cartoons, spot the pigeon. So yeah, it's all mad, it's insanity.Again, that's the times in which we live.
 
Don't give Biden any ideas. He'll be releasing the pigeons.[41:37] This is a story which actually is about two and a half weeks old, but you read posts and I think it's, I don't know if I covered it, so it's good to highlight what is happening. And there's a bit and I didn't realize. And this is log burner rule change in England, could land users with £300 fine. And actually you scroll down and it says that households in England, you're safe over there in Northern Ireland, you can emit your five grams of smoke per hour. But households in England could face fines up to £300 and even criminal records. So, a criminal record. So you've got all these illegal immigrants coming in, you've got all the grooming gangs, and yet the focus from the government is that you can't emit more than three grams of smoke per hour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how much hot air does the government emit per hour? This is ridiculous.English people have been burning wood, Peter, since time immemorial. I mean, and these wooden, these burners like that in the picture there that you've got above there in the story.I mean, lots of people have got these. My sister has these in, one of these in her house. And[42:59] people, if anything, were actually encouraged to get these. And now, as you say, you could end up, with a criminal record because you're burning logs in your home to keep warm. And of course, I wonder is this because they want to squeeze us in energy so you can't afford your gas if you're using gas or if you're using oil, you can't afford your oil. So what we're going to do is we're going to just corner off the wood. Don't think you'll go into the forest and forage wood and then use that no no no because we're going to be tracking your smoke emissions and if, they're above X amount as you say then that's a fine. We'll empower the local council to you know to have a never mind a traffic warden, a smoke warden, someone who will go around checking for you know tell-tale signs, coming from your chimney or whatever and yeah slap you with a fine and maybe you could end up with a criminal record because you want to stay warm?[44:01] Are you kidding me?But anyway, yeah, I thought that was, you know, it's another one of these ones, it's England, so it's not here for me.But undoubtedly, you know, when these lunatics get these ideas, they spread out like 15 minute cities.Same idea.
Yeah, there was another one on Net Zero and I didn't include although I meant to, which was a post you put up about the cost of breakfasts and talked about a cost of 22% and anyone who goes to buy butter or eggs or milk knows the crazy cost.And I guess we're told that's how we're winning this war. how we're beating Russia by actually meaning we can no longer afford to buy food,butter literally has doubled in the last year as of eggs.And it just, again, I don't think it's us that are winning.Talking to Callum on Thursday and he's just back from his Russia trip.So it seems a Russia winning and not us.Yeah, take that Putin. doubling our inflation, we're going to make it impossible to have, as you say, eggs and[45:11] butter and milk and all these staple foods. And this is why you see that my argument in this as well is that the inflation figures that they play around with are so deceptive. Ordinary people know that[45:26] If they go to, yeah, look, you go to the supermarket, you do your grocery shop, that's when you know what real inflation is.And there you have Peter, you've put it up on the screen, I can see, you know, all these things.Look at the double digit inflation way, way up, 20 plus percent and above.And that's all inflicted on British families by the government's insane sanctions against Putin, which have had this kind of blowback. And we're paying it. And Callum's right. I just put out Russian exports have gone up. Russian imports have gone down. Their economy is much more balanced.[46:11] Specifically Europe, Western Europe, it's committing economic hari-kari to, well, not really to teach Putin a lesson because Putin's happy, I would have thought he sees the state that we're all in. But I feel bad for people who, you know, on fixed income, say pensioners, who have to go to the supermarket. And you mentioned butter there. Like, where are they going to find all that extra money from? Not from their pensions. So where?Well, they don't. So what they do is they scrape and save and they try and make do with less. And that's where my anger against the government comes from. I think of the people, disadvantaged people, the people on fixed incomes, the elderly people, and they live in the real world. You go to the supermarket, Peter, like you have to get your food. And at the same time, they're being hit by huge heating bills. And this is all to teach Putin a lesson. I mean, the only lesson is we should never have gone along with sanctions against Russia. Absolute stupidity but then there's a globalist agenda in place there as we all know.[47:18] But we're all suffering, but of course I'm so glad that Rishi Sunak doesn't have to suffer because I'm sure he doesn't worry if bread's gone up from 80p to £1.50.I'm sure it doesn't really take a dent in his budget.
Well if you're married to a billionairess, it probably is something you're going to be able to cope with, you know. But yeah, exactly. I mean, this shows you the detachment of[47:41] a lot of the politicians from ordinary working families, or indeed retired families, either which way. It shows you that they cannot appreciate what must be going through many ordinary people's, household budgets. Like how the hell do we cope with this? How do I feed my kids? How do I do this, that and the other? Because as you showed there, Peter, those are real price increases. So whenever, the BBC tells us, oh, good news, the ONS said inflation is down to 10.1%. Do me a favour.No, we're not buying that. That's another thing we're not buying. We know that on things that really matter to people like food, it's double digit all the way up 20, 30%. And that's not likely to go down anytime soon. Because remember, energy costs and food manufacturing is a big, element of the final bill. So that's why businesses reflect a lot of this in the end price. They have to or they go bust. And they're not being given the level of subsidy, by the way, that they need.So I just think this will stay here for a good bit of, you know, maybe the rest of this year.[48:48] Well, it's good that there wasn't a fixed income. Maybe pensioners will be helping the war by dying of hunger or will die by freezing. That all helps Rishi Sunak. Yeah. The rest of them.
It's very noble of them. Yeah. A sacrifice which Rishi wants them to do.
 
So, onto the NHS.A friend of mine actually didn't, we talked and he was going to go and see the doctor and didn't go because of his concern that he would be forced to have a jab.And if you're maybe older or less mobile, that is a concern.But this is the other concern that you go and this thing appears in front of you.Now that is some mug shot.Oh, that is some mugshot. And this is John Harrell Trans NHS.Just wanted to say how lovely all my colleagues have been in treating me just as one of the, girls. These people used to get help.[49:47] They did and they still need help, but they're not getting it. Instead they're being indulged.I mean, look at this. Just read the rest of that out for everyone there, Peter.
So in treating me just one of the girls in my new NHS post, interesting time with one young female patient who wanted to be treated by a female and I felt I need to explain I was a trans female. She's just said, that is fine. You're female. And he wanted a female nurse to treat me.
Yeah, things that never happened. Does anyone actually believe that? If I was in an NHS bed and something like that came towards me, honestly, I would be right out of that bed, out of that ward and away down the road. There's no way. But yeah, I mean, NHS trans nurse.And by the way, she says to that, she's got a new NHS post. So this is our wonderful NHS in action, putting people who I would say have got some form of, at least I'll be polite, cognitive dissonance, to put it politely, or mental issues in some regards, it shouldn't be[50:59] treating people, Peter. They should be being treated, I think. But hey, what can you say?That's the NHS. It's good to know what the NHS priorities are, trans nurses. Well worth your taxes.
 
But David, it is good that you obviously commented if that...thing came along then suddenly it feels much better. Actually it does help with the healing process.
It does, it picks it up. Honestly if I was a death door and I seen that angel of death coming towards me I would be gone. So as you say, maybe it's a miracle cure they're going to introduce one of those in every NHS ward and watch those bed occupancy rates go down through the floor as, As everyone legs it.[51:45] David, let's just want to face off for the clip you put up. And the weird thing, this is this is the really weird thing.[51:54] I was looking at this this afternoon and I thought, did I look at this because David tweeted it?I know because you tweeted three hours ago.So I was looking at it completely differently, having a little chuckle.And that is a Monty Python sketch. Oh, yeah. I just thought I would play it as we finish because it is good to end on humour.I'm a little bit confused why I was looking at that as you were as well separately.[52:24] So let's just play this. I think there's a longer for this is just one minute.I'll play this in 60 seconds. But I'll play this.[52:36] Give me a moment.[52:39] I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.
What?[52:46] It's my right as a man.
Well, why'd you want to be Loretta, Stan?[52:53] I want to have babies.
You want to have babies?It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.But you can't have babies.
Don't you oppress me.I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb.[53:07] Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?[53:14] Here, I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans.[53:23] But that he can have the right to have babies.[53:26] Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.Sister, sorry.
What's the point?[53:34] What?
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?[53:41] It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality. Great line.
Yeah, yeah. We're not going to top that one, Peter. That is the first line.[53:58] No. Yeah, but yeah, that came up on my TikTok, actually. That's where I saw that one.Because I like comedy stuff too, you know.And wasn't that prophetic though? the Pythons did that. So that's from obviously the life of Brian, which came out in 1981, or maybe 79.79, yeah. Yeah, 79. And I remember going to see that movie way back then, you know, as a child.And it was really, you know, it was really funny and people thought, well, you would never actually have conversations like that. And then 2023, you talked about the trans nurse, you know, and you realize that we are living in a post-Monty Python world whereby the surreal is now being made. We have to believe that it's real. But the payoff from John Cleese is excellent. It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
 
Let me put just some comment at the end on GETTR, Tommy AU, you, Canadian mom 1997, Huckle3229 Hisalways Vicky and more. Thank you for tuning in David.Thank you for joining us as always.
No, my absolute pleasure. I was having a good laugh. I do think Peter in times of darkness,[55:19] and you know, pressures in all kinds of ways, it's healthy for us to all to laugh, to laugh at the oppressors, to laugh at the tyrants, to laugh at all of this madness. I think it keeps us sane. So I think this has been good for my mental health as well. So thank you for the opportunity and thanks for all the viewers. I recognise a lot of those names. Thank you folks for being here with, Peter as well. I make sure you support Peter by and also make sure you see me on Monday night in in my study at 8 p.m.When we're gonna be talking actually, Peter, with a lovely lady that you and I both met three weeks ago, Charlotte.
 
Ah, Charlotte, yes.
 
Because in Countess of Burnley she...[56:05] Baroness of Burnley.
 
Baroness of Burnley, yeah. Yeah, Charlotte's coming on for an hour of giggles on Monday night, so we'll keep the humour motif going I think for as long as we can.
 
She's good fun.The viewers will enjoy it. So you can watch either, you can watch that live and then flick over to Hearts of Oak or vice versa, whichever you so wish.So everything is there. But David, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Peter.
 
And thank you to all our viewers.Or if you're downloading this listening on the go as a podcast on Podbean or any of the podcasting apps.Thank you so much for listening. And we'll be back with you on Monday with John Waters looking at what's happening in Ireland with the immigration invasion, which one in four hotels are now booked up by immigrants.So it's lovely hospitality has now gone out of control and destroying the country.So tune in for that on Monday.
Do you know Peter, Peter, just popping in. I was down in Dublin myself just about a week ago.
And did you get a free hotel as well?
Well, I was going to say, I was trying, there's a couple of what I would call business hotels where people meet up for coffees and have a chat.[57:22] They're all closed. They are closed and they're only open. They're, they're, they're for essentially, um, well, yeah, the, uh, the immigrants.So it's amazing what's happening. So that should be a great chat with John on Monday night.Look forward to that.
And then Charlotte with David also on Monday. So I wish you, our viewers, listeners, wonderful rest of your Saturday.Good weekend. And we'll see you on Monday.  

Callum - англичанин в России / An Englishman in Russia

This episode we welcome Callum back to Hearts of Oak as he joins us to discuss his latest trip. First it was an Afghanistan vacation, then a cheeky weekend in Serbia and now his recent sabbatical takes him to Russia! He is best known for being the co-host on the hugely popular Lotus Eaters Podcast and is now carving out a 'dark tourism' niche for himself by showing us these countries in a way we have never seen before. His report on his latest trip to Russia, including the Donbass region is a must see, absolutely fascinating viewing. The media tell us one story. Callum is showing the other side.Watch the documentaries of his adventures...Russia: https://youtu.be/B0i0zbuCIIMAfghanistan: https://youtu.be/2oMW5pL9Z4wSerbia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Q_Tp0IVzc&t=3s
Our previous interview with him...
Callum - رجل إنجليزي في كابول / An Englishman in Kabul 
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[0:22] Callum, it is great to have you back with us once again.
 
Oh hello, thank you for having me again.
Not at all. You go to these weird and wonderful places in the world, so it's always good to get a completely different viewpoint. So thanks for coming on and obviously the links to not only this trip but all the other ones are in the description. So people can just click and go to your Britannica, Politica YouTube, which actually gave me it gives me so many ads. So it's obviously popular if it's throwing up so many ads
 
I don't think YouTube's found out yet. I think they're just doing our travel vlog, right?Nothing unusual there.[1:03] I thoroughly enjoyed it but to our viewers obviously you've done, This is your third one, isn't it? because you were on talking about your Afghan trip and then you did a little sneaky week ender in Serbia.And then this is number three.Yeah. In the series.
 
I'm trying to go to Chitels for fun. So we did Afghanistan, which thanks to Miles.When we went to Serbia, I mean, the main thing there wasn't, I mean, it was Serbian culture and whatnot, but also we went to go meet the migrants.So loads of Afghans and whatnot, they come up through Serbia.One of the main routes because they're not in the EU to then get into the EU via Hungary or Croatia and then to the rest of where we are.So we went and interviewed those guys and those guys are just not great. I'll be honest.I was not filled with confidence meeting those people because they have no interest in us.They have no interest in anything that is with the West. It's literally just gibs.They're not in danger in the slightest. So whatever. There's that. So go check that video out.And the most recent one was I decided I'd go to New Russia.[2:12] So not only old Russia, as we know it, the Russian Federation, but the new provinces.So I went down to Luhansk and saw what life was like there at the moment.
Well, let's get into all this. This is an Englishman in Russia and not some of your others.Again, the links for those documentaries there in the description.But I guess Russia is easier to get into than Afghanistan, but maybe more difficult than Serbia, so its kind of in the middle.[2:41] I mean, what do you define by more difficult, I suppose?
 
Well, you did. It's probably slightly more difficult.Maybe there aren't as big a range of flights and then you still have to go and pay for your visa.So, I mean, you just go to Serbia. I've been to Serbia quite a few times and you can drive there.So it's actually kind of more accessible, I guess.[3:04] But you got there, your hotel. I love the way you... What was it? Big ass bed.Very nice. Big ass TV. Very nice. Carpet. Very nice. I love the surprise to see carpet.But yeah, it was a decent hotel.
 
It was a very nice carpet. I'll be honest. I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was. I was like, oh, it's great. Like just to have such a high quality, who cares, carpet, right? You just leave it, you forget it for 10 years, turns into a piece of crap. No one ever replaces it. No, this has been replaced recently by the feel of it.But the getting into part, when I went to Afghanistan, you pay for the visa, you pay for the flight, whatever it was. I think it was, what was it?30 hours or something of flights. So that was pain.But going through security, you turn up, fill in some form, no one reads it, no one interviews you.What are you going to do? Make the place worse? Good luck.But Russia right now, of course, they're taking their security extremely, extremely seriously.For the understandable reason. So I got taken to a separate room after my passport just failed to scan.[4:16] Okay, they take the passport off you. You're then looking around and you notice that the only people with you are a bunch of people from like Egypt and then some Ukrainians.That's gonna be fun. They then move you to another room where you just get told to sit and wait. How long?[4:34] Four hours later. I've been here for four hours. What's going on? Wait. Thanks. Cool. Everyone around you by that point. The Ukrainians have left. They're fine. You're still there with all the Egyptians.And then eventually you get dragged into a third room where you just have to get, I don't know if the word is interrogated, but they want to know everything about your life.And a mate of mine who's also British, who was only visiting Russia, not the new regions, he had the same experience.So apparently this is for, if not EU citizens, at least all UK citizens, which is you get enhanced security, which is they check your phone, they check what you got in your bag, They ask you what you're doing, who you know, they call them up, ask them why the hell you're here, they want to know where your parents live, the whole shebang.[5:20] So yeah, I mean, that's worse than the Taliban, but you know, it's understandable.
Taliban is up there. Hey, I'm sorry, DJ Q says Zelensky green question mark.So is that a Zelensky t-shirt you have?
 
No, I got this before him.He's stealing my look, if anything.
Victoria Willing there says, Mcduck is tasty. We'll get on to that in a bit.But one of the big things obviously is cash. So you were showing your hoards of cash on your desk when you got to the hotel.Obviously cash is the only way. I mean, tell us what that was like.[6:00] Yeah. So for the Russians, people seem to think, so I had all the cash and the people thought that everyone just uses cash there.No. As soon as we kicked them off the payment system in the West, they've just logged onto a new one.[6:13] British, it all works, it's fine. And everything they pay with this card, I saw very few people carrying cash. The only people that affects are us. So when we turn up as foreigners, we have to bring piles of cash now because you won't have a card that works. And if you think, oh, we'll just open a Russian bank, put money in there and then use a card. Yeah, you can, but it's not the easiest thing in the world. And also, I don't know, do you really want to go through that rigmarole. It's easy just to carry the cash. So yeah, if you're going to go, definitely take US dollars. That's the best thing. The other thing is euros. I tried some British pounds. No bank in all of Moscow would accept my British pounds. So I tried like five.
 
What was it like?I remember when I was living in Bulgaria and I could open up a bank account and it had to be US dollar. So whenever you went to get money, you'd queue up, the 20 years ago at the end of ATO, you'd queue up, you'd eventually get your dollars, you'd join another queue, and then you'd get, that would give you a slip to exchange it into lever. And then you join the third queue, and that would give you lever as about 45 minutes. But how do you just go in and you had to show ID and exchange your money? You don't even need ID. You just turn up to an exchange place, as much dollars, um, they'll give you whatever. I think if you did a high enough amount.[7:37] So if you did like a couple of grand or something like that in one go, maybe a grand, they'd ask you for ID and documentation, but if you do like a few hundred here and there, no one cares. So it's, it's very relaxed.
 
Or if only we were like that. And what, so you, yeah, you got there, you, You checked it. The hotel was an impressive hotel. I mean, the lobby was huge.[7:58] Yeah, it's an old Stalinist building. I think Stalin used to have dignitaries stay there.[8:03] Beautiful building from the outside as well. If people want to look it up, Hotel Hilton, Leningradskaja. Really old. They actually have a video playing in the lobby of all the different people who have stayed there and Soviet propaganda about how great it is, which is really weird.But whatever. One way of advertising your hotel, propaganda films.
I think it was number 50 out of like 750. I guess it wasn't packed full of foreigners.[8:30] It was. I didn't see a single Russian person staying though. There was some Brazilian journalist I met on the last day. He was really nice. What was weird there is he was also, because we're sort of set up in this mindset of the West right now, at least generally, you know, we're combating Russia and Russia's bad and the West is good and we're helping, whatever, like your thing, right?But when you speak to someone from Brazil or the world that's just away from this dichotomy, it just didn't give a crap. I was talking to him, he was like, yeah, I just don't care. I'm just, here to cover a story about this, that or the other Russian-Brazilian trade relations. But when, it came to the conflict, he was just like, who wins, wins. Not interested. So when you met anyone in that hotel that seemed to be that position. I didn't find any Westerners.
Quite refreshing. So the first thing was going to get food. I loved it. You went to McDonald's via an off license. So I'm off to McDonald's the next thing you are looking at vodka. So you seem to be more interested in getting your vodka fitting in Russia than getting your Big Mac.[9:42] Yeah, well the vodka is two euros. Sorry, two dollars, not two euros. A bottle. You know how you get to check out in this country and you'll see a bunch of confectionary?They just have crates of different kinds of vodka, all for two bucks.So if you're just popping home, why not get a bottle while you're driving? I don't know.[9:58] It works. I mean, I don't know if it works, but it's how they live.
But they do survive on vodka. The Balkans survive on brandy and I guess Russians on vodka.But tell us about food. Whenever you did get food, it was Subway.That's not really Russian cuisine, is it?[10:19] No, I get criticised in a few comments. Like in Afghanistan, people were like, why didn't you eat Afghan food?I do.It's just not very interesting, I didn't find, when looking through the footage.It was me staring at a bunch of borscht or pilemi, which is like pierogis. But I don't know.It's all nice. I don't really have anything insightful to say about it other than it's nice.So it just seems like a bit of a waste of time because you don't know what it is.You don't have the flavour in your mouth. Right?But if I could tell you about their version of Subway or McDonald's, you know what that tastes like. You've got a reference point. So I just thought it was a bit more interesting.But some people say in the chat, Freddos are a safe bet. They always are.
Still looking for that KitKat. Did you bring any?
No, I'm not. Did you bring those? It was KitKats. I think it was Cadbury buttons.The Caramel ones and the Plain ones and some other stuff I gave away.I only filmed the buttons.I'm actually thinking of reaching out. I mentioned that I want to get sponsored by Cadbury.Why not? It'll be funny as hell for them. They've got nothing going on.You want to go to the middle of nowhere and sell Cadbury to random village people?Sure.
 
On this trip, I actually saw you eating more than I've ever seen you eat in my whole life.I think every next clip was you eating somewhere.[11:40] Hey, boys go eat.
 
Another thing that struck me was the architecture, the buildings.They look quite impressive.When you think of England and lots of things being knocked down and built up, you kind to think Russia as well, it'll be communist, it'll be massive concrete blocks, which you kind of get over all different parts of Eastern Europe. But it seemed to have a beautiful, architecture, beautiful buildings. I think you commented on that.[12:12] Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of aspects. So once you get into the more rural parts of Russia.[12:18] So Moscow and St. Petersburg are the classic amazing cities, westerners go there for a couple of days and that's their experience, which is fine. And they're the most astounding places.And the Stalinist architecture for all the bastard things that Stalin did, his Stalinist architecture is really good. The Metro is unbelievable in the sense of how beautiful it is. People big it up a lot and I always thought maybe it's overrated. I've been there before this trip, but still, every time I go back, I'm like, that's gold. I hate going to London and seeing the comparison. The Elizabeth Line opened earlier in London and people raving about it. It looks like shit. Sorry to swear, but it is awful. Just modernist nonsense that'll look terrible in 10 years. Everything in the Moscow Metro looks like that five star hotel, but underground.It's amazing how good that stuff is. But once you do get out into... So I went to Rostov in the south, which is a fairly big city, or some of the places around there, Novoshanskoye, or.[13:20] Kimishkish, or whatever the hell it was called, the one in the middle. And then, and then Luhanskoye, yeah, you get the commie blocks, commie blocks, or still a thing. But you, You do get the occasional building that they've just redone and it looks like something from the Romanov era.So they seem to be having the same sort of transition that maybe you've seen in Hungary, or I saw in Serbia where they've got the old buildings, they were run down and now they're building them back up.So the entire Slavic world seems to be experiencing that, as well as the Hungarians, which is nice.[13:53] And we don't have it.
 
Yeah, same in Bulgaria. You get them all being put back together and rebuilt and remembering their history after trying to forget about the communist past or life before then. They're trying to find it again. And of course, flags. One other thing I noticed, lots of Russian flags and of course, communist paraphernalia. But the two flags that were missing, which I think are our national flags, our LGBT flag and Ukraine flag, it was quite nice. Those didn't exist there.
 
Yeah, I mean, there's certainly one of the Ukrainian flags. What is funny about all that is that you see, I mean, I don't not understand the reasons as to why, but in Ukraine, you've seen endless videos of them smashing up statues or anything that was Russian or represents Soviet Union or anything like that. Some of them are understandable where it's like, you know, Lenin, screw that guy, Stalin, screw that guy, whatever, right?But then they started smashing up like Russian authors. Some of them were even like half Ukrainian.[14:59] It all just, I think it seems like people in Ukraine are a bit caught up in that. I don't know.But in Moscow and Rostov, from what I saw, there's loads of Ukrainian writer statues or, you know, the Hotel Ukraina, things like this. They've not got rid of anything Ukrainian, because of course they don't really seem to think they're going to destroy Ukraine as a thing or, the Ukrainian language. But you could argue being invaded and therefore have this massive of Ukraine phobia or something.So there's that argument for sure.As for the LGBT flags.[15:34] Yeah, yeah, none. Didn't see any BLM flags either. Now I think about it.
But that's part of what I certainly like about Russia. And generally when you look at a lot of the Eastern European countries, that they have pride in their identity, they have confidence in their identity.And in the West, we've lost that. all of kind of big bear Russia and for it can seem like an aggressor maybe to some of the smaller countries. Actually, at least it has pride in its identity.
 
Absolutely. I mean, that is one of the things people get confused about. There's some aspect of the right, specifically the right I'm going to talk about here, who get a bit obsessed with Russia. Many of them have never been and never going to be going there. So it's a bit strange from those folks because they kind of get caught caught up in the propaganda, I find.[16:30] But for those who have been, everyone can appreciate it. And it's not just Russia.You find this in Poland. You find this in probably Bulgaria and et cetera.An acceptance of patriotism, an acceptance of, like, this is where I'm born.It's my land. That's why it's good.Not because I'm better than everyone else, but because it's mine, which we don't in the West.We actively suppress that.It's embarrassing that we do so.And when it comes to the homosexual stuff as well, my understanding is that in Russia, it's not a crime to be gay. If you want to be gay, that's fine.If you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, I don't know how accepting Russian[17:05] Culture of that being public. But I know that the most recent thing I saw in terms of legality, just if anyone's game is planning on visit, I don't think you'll have a problem as long as there's no public displays of affection, I imagine. Like, I know that's a most traditionalist place, to put it politely. But when it comes to the legal side, the only thing they have is that they banned, firstly, it was LGBT propaganda aimed at children. That was banned.
Come on, come on.
Very Hungarian.[17:38] You know, Ron De Santis would probably approve of that original law, which was just, look, you can't have this stuff aimed at kids. If it's a kids program, if it's aimed 18 or below, you can't do that. If you're aiming a program 18 or above the wave, you want to give a crap.I think whilst I was there, they expanded the law now to include 18 and above, which of course is far more controversial and far less about, let's say, freedom in that regard.But that is what it says. One of the things about this sort of traveling, I don't want to pass too much of a judgment on the places I'm going because I'm just trying to tell you what's there. I ain't living there. So I'm not going to sit around and tell you how they should change their laws because It's foreign land, we have no influence, what would be the point?I barely have any influence in my own country.
But I guess that's similar to that stance in Russia. It's actually similar to Serbia and certainly similar to Afghanistan.So I think that's what ties those three countries together.
 
[18:45] Maybe, I just know it's a bit more...Because they don't really have any pride in being Afghan in that same way that the Serbs, the Russians do, in being Serbian and Russian.
Yeah, but I think that's something, I'm thinking of the LGBT stuff.
Oh yeah, well they're all certainly on that train. I think the Afghans win that competition though, because Allah Akbar.
Yeah Allah doesn't do the LGBT stuff very well.
No.
 
One of the few things they'll command him or Muhammad for, but we'll not get into that conversation.
 
I think they're accepting of T's. I think T is still okay.
T? Do you think so?
So in Iran, for example, tea is okay, because if you're found being homosexual in Iran, there is a Quranic solution, which is that clearly this man is not a homosexual man, because that would be a crime against nature according to the Quran.So in fact, he is transgender. He was a woman the whole time, therefore it's not gay.So you either accept that bargain and go through the surgery or get killed.[19:48] So that's the tragedy of being homosexual in Iran. But it does mean that the transgender acceptance is a thing.So I don't know if that's your world, Silver lining.I don't know what to talk about. I'm advertising to the transgender adventure brigade out there.
Anyway, moving on. The Metro, how much of the Metro did you use?Because as you said, the pictures I've seen, how impressive it is.And you had that little clip of it.But did you go on it a lot? Obviously you didn't, you got told off for filming all this.[20:25] Yeah, I don't know if that's it's a really weird place for filming in that sense.So I've never seen this in any Slavic country except Russia.Russia seems to still have it was explained to me. So, for example, if you get on a train in Russia, let's avoid the metro first.You have to present your passport. You have to go through airport style security and then you get on the train.You can't just tap and walk in.No, very serious about that.[20:51] I thought this is because of counterterrorism. I was told the reason for this, and also the fact that people checking your papers all have these communist style hats with communist logos on still, is because under the Soviet Union, of course.
You mean like this?
Yeah, exactly like that.
 
I could have given that to you to keep warm because you kept getting cold.
Well, I would have looked like a police officer if I got arrested.But no, they've got these railway workers.There was no freedom of movement in Soviet Union. You have to have papers to be able to move to the next town or wherever, I was told, at least at one point.So that system is still there for the trains. So when you go on the metro, same thing.You walk into the metro and there's meta detectors.And if you're holding a bag nine times out of 10, someone will shout at you in Russian.You freak out. But then they just take your bag, shove it in a metal detector, nothing, you know, it, gets scanned, there's no bombs. They just give it back to you, bugger off.And then there's some lady at the escalators who's just like on her phone on every escalator, I don't know why she's there. Just pointless.But there's like security everywhere. So you don't know what you can and can't film.But then I tried to film too close to the tracks and then three guys came over and all, started shouting at me. I was just like, sorry, not Russian.Leave me alone.
 
How visible was your filming?[22:16] I always found it's better to be, if you're ever going to travel to somewhere strange and film, do it publicly.If you're seen trying to secretly film, that's way worse because you can explain, oh, sorry, I'm a stupid foreigner from the foreigner land.And in any culture, they'll be like, yeah, whatever, just bugger off and it'll be over.So always just hold up the camera, look like an American tourist pretty much.And that's usually what I do.The only exemptions to that is probably when I was in Taliban land and we try and maybe, not attract attention.
 
But the black markers.
Yeah, I mean, you don't really want to attract that attention.So the only exception.
What was it, did people look at you cynically or with suspicion?Because obviously someone from the West must be coming to put something negative out about Russia. Was that part of it? Because you said you had to wait four hours to get in.Is that a kind of thinking behind a lot of the maybe suspicion of the West?[23:25] To be honest, maybe this is just me being lucky. On this entire trip, I didn't find any suspicious people being suspicious of me except security, and that's their job, so fair enough, or in Luhansk.So the civilians there were a bit distrusting because we spoke to people and tried to ask, do you mind if we interview you, ask you these questions, we're showing the questions.I had a guy look over them just to make sure it wouldn't spook the hell out of anyone.He said, yeah, no, those are fine. But no one, no one would talk to us because they're just that scared.I think for a couple of reasons, which is that if the Ukrainians come back and they're on camera saying something nice about Russia and maybe something will happen, maybe they're worried that they'll say something wrong and get in trouble or something.I don't know. That's the only place I felt any problems. I mean, I ran into a guy in a flea market in Rostov and jabbering away in half Russian, half English with this dude and the other people around us, all friendly.Go to an Irish pub, start talking about the situation, all friendly, all smiles.I never had to explain and sit there and be like, oh yes, I am here to film about Great Russia or something to get someone's trust because they're incredibly isolated.Any foreigner who comes there and is like, yeah, I want to show what life's like, they're[24:48] immediately just like thank you for coming. You know, show people.So.
 
War Museums, you did some filming, some beautiful tanks in different places, but yeah, tell, us about that. And is that a, do you have a specific tank fetish?
Oh, who doesn't like tanks? Come on. So, yeah, there's a few places I went. There's the Victory Museum in Moscow, which if anyone goes to Moscow, it's the easiest place to go on holiday.Go for a weekend or two with a loved one. It's a very romantic place to be as well, especially even winter. Definitely take your girl to the Victory Museum, because even though it's military nonsense, you know, women don't generally like staring at, there's enough there to be fun. There's enough light shows and stuff I didn't really have time to show in the video that they have. There's some old remakes of the Reichstag you can go and see.[25:48] Uh any kind of gun any kind of tank there's patriot park i went to that's a big thing in Russia, various uh there's sort of like theme parks throughout the country and it's just piles of every weapon you could think of every tank every plane, railway tanks or railway guns, and I don't know why they're called that it's like a railway car right but covered in artillery and, and anti-tank guns and machine guns.The idea is you drive the train into the town and shoot it up.
I don't remember that on Thomas the Tank Engine.
 
No, but it should have been.A Russian Thomas the Tank Engine is a whole other thing.But that's, you can also shoot any gun you want there. I chose the Mosin.I was kind of annoyed because we just didn't have the time on the way back out.I just, I had to leave because of time.But I'd love to go back to Patriot Park because it was 500 rubles for like 100 rounds or something on an LMG.I had loads of money left though because I just hadn't spent it.I wish I'd just gone back to Patriot Park and be like, chh, dada, dada, dada, dada, dada, for 30 minutes straight, because that's just fun.So yeah, if you like shooting, that's easy too.
 
Well, did you, I can't remember, you went with someone there, or did you just turn up as a foreigner saying I'd like to shoot things?[27:03] So the trip was a bit weird. I knew a couple of people in Russia from a previous trip.So I met them in Moscow. I met friends of friends of friends.Your network very quickly expands once you just ask, hey, do you know anyone who's around tomorrow?I went to like an Indian market with a lady, for example. That was really funny actually, because we're walking around and I hear the Indian music and I see the brands and the spices.I was instantly transported back to the UK.[27:29] You get what I mean? Which just was so weird because she didn't get it either.She was like, what do you mean it's like the UK? I'm like, you don't know. You just don't know.[27:41] So that was fun. So you start meeting friends like that and then when I got a train I was going to go meet someone else. So I had someone with me at any given time. Some people seem to think, that someone was chaperoning me like it's the Soviet Union. I can't transmit enough how much things have changed since the Soviet Union. It's not like that at all. Even when I went to Luhansk, the Russian soldier guy I had with me, he was only with me like half the time. And even when he was with me, he didn't even know what he was getting in for, frankly. I decided where we wanted to go. I decided what we're going to see, who we're going to talk to, what we're doing today.
[28:20] He was a quirky character.
 
Yeah, I mean, he was just a friend of a friend of a friend was Rostov. Great guy, made friends with him. I said, look, the guy was going to go meet has been blown up by a mortar.I'm kind of buggered. Do you know what he could take me to the new regions? He says, you know, I have a friend introduced me to an Afghani weird character, big moustache, larger than life, goes to Ukraine a lot, has been fighting since 2014, killing people. He did mention to me at one point apparently he fought in Syria which okay because he talks a lot about Wagner.I never really got to the question about whether or not he worked for Wagner but whatever.[29:04] Fit as a fiddle, clearly does a lot of stuff. He's out there right now, he's upgraded his telegram, he's out fighting today I think. But he seemed to just be some guy because he agreed to take me. And then when we got to the border, it was like, don't speak about this, don't speak about that. And I'm like, brother, you don't know what you're getting in for. Because, of course we get taken to additional security and he's like, oh, it's been 10 minutes. I'm, like, no, it's not going to be 10 minutes. We're getting stuck for four hours talking to Russian border guard, then military intelligence, and then even more. We were just like, who the hell are you?And then when we're going around Luhansk, everything's fine.He knows everyone there. He's been fighting and he used to live in Luhansk for years.That's the thing about all the nationalists, the people who are fighting there, they've, all got massive connections to Ukraine, like family connections.This is a real family thing for them. It's not some group of guys who have no connection to the land.All their family live there or their grandparents live there or something.So that's fine. On the way back out, of course same border, checkpoint, more security.I just remember we got off the bus in Rostov, he was just so pissed at me.So he was just like, oh for god's sake.Like it was just some guy, he didn't know what he was getting in for.I was just like, yeah sorry man, it's gonna be a lot of stops.My passport's cancer in this place.[30:28] Yeah, it's free to travel around. If you meet friends of friends, you'll be able to meet someone in any given town. And if they're a friend of a friend, they'll be nice to you.
So what was the part that's kind of partially Russian, partially Ukrainian? Is that Luhansk or the other one, Rostov?
Yeah, so to explain for people who might not know the situation Ukraine became a country after the Soviet Union collapsed. It used to basically just be a Soviet Republic of USSR, I don't think a Ukrainian nation really existed before in peacetime. You could argue maybe like the kingdoms of the root of, Kevin Rusev's me, but yeah, I did I mean in modern times probably, then stuff happens, politics Russia ended up annexing Crimea and then there was an uprising in these two places called Donetsk and Luhansk, large Russian populations, Stalin's fault as most things are as to why there's so many Russians.[31:34] If I think that the next used to be called Stalino, because of course These people rose up. They've been fighting an insurgency for years with help from Moscow, And then when the Russian army moved in properly, not just, you know, unofficially, they have now annexed Luhansk province, Donetsk province, Zaporizhian and Kherson.So we went to the Luhansk province, which that place has been a battlefield for, what has it been, eight years, something like that.They've now got all of that province under control. We didn't feel any active threat. There was no, like, range for artillery to kill us.To kill us, there was range for missiles to kill us or airstrikes.You can see bullet holes in all the buildings, much for the buildings been blown up.[32:22] But as for what it is, it's according to the Ukrainians, their lands, all of it.According to the Russians, they've annexed it, it belongs to them now.And according to the people who live there, from what I saw, I didn't see anyone Ukrainian.I didn't see anything that made me think Ukraine, everything that made me think of Russia.The flags, the people, the food, the apartments.The place used to be a large Russian area, even when it was part of Ukraine.And since the uprising eight years ago, and then ever since.Anyone who is pro-Ukraine has probably left.I've read multiple stories online of people used to live in these places, more than the stories I've read, but same thing will be happening in Luhansk.If you were pro-Ukrainian or a young person who's Ukrainian or any of that sort, you've probably gone.Why would you have stayed?In which case the result, I imagine if they did do a census, even if it's done by the UN, run by Canadians or Bangladeshis, there's no interest.The demographics of that place have probably hugely changed.So that's an argument for claiming the land, obviously. I did hear a story from a Russian lady who works for a Western organization in Moscow.So she's got access to both sides. One of the things the Ukrainian government's doing, is near the front line, if there's Ukrainians living there, they desperately want the Ukrainians to continue living there.[33:51] Because if the Ukrainians leave, that's yet more territory that has a huge deficit of Ukrainians versus Russians.So whenever some kind of peace deal ends up coming, you've got less of an argument and the Russians are playing the same game.Don't get me wrong, but it's just funny to me how when it comes down to what everyone understands, the claim of a land is just having your people there.And from what I saw in Luhansk, I didn't see anything Ukrainian.[34:20] I know they're going to be Ukrainians that are like that, but that's how it is, man.
I hadn't worked out actually before watching your video because in the middle you kind of look at the geopolitics of the area, but I actually didn't realize that Ukraine was, only a province of Russia because other countries like Bulgaria have got a thousand year history, and other countries had to fight and there was, I should think Slovenia had like a three-week, battle with the USSR to actually gain their freedom as a country. But Ukraine existed as a part, as a province, as opposed to a separate country. So it is quite different, Ukraine, when you look at the other kind of satellite states, the USSR.[35:02] Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting, actually, because so Ukraine was basically a province of the Russian Empire, nothing special. And then when that collapse and you get Soviet Union, most of it was in the Soviet Union. Sure, it was made into a Soviet republic.This is mostly just PR. Anyone looking at the history can tell that, but it's an integral part of the Soviet Union.It's not flourishing in that way or independent in that way that Bulgaria or any of the satellites are.Since independence in the 90s, that's when you really start to get this, it's seemingly and someone could correct me if I'm wrong, this actual solidifying of what are we?And seeing because I mean that's where you get the changes of okay no we should be focusing on the Ukrainian language not this bilingual state this hyper focus and celebration specifically of Ukrainian culture to make it aware in people's minds. One of the great conversations I had was with a guy in a bar in Rostov his half of his family Ukrainian living around that region.[36:06] Again everyone you goddamn meet in this area there's cross-border families no one's some kind of rabid nationalist just for their side. It's not like I'm Bosnian, I'm Croatian or something. There's no crossover. No, there's massive crossover in ethnic times.But he mentioned that he used to go on holiday to Ukraine all the time. And he had gone to the 2000s, everything was cool, meet anywhere you want, no problem. And then around about 2014 and there throughout he started just getting random hostility from people he's on holiday with as if you know He'd like murdered 14 Ukrainian babies or something like we talking to them in Russian. They're talking[36:48] Russian to him because they think he's from Ukrainian Russian province and then if I don't hear some the Russian Federation They just stopped talking to him and they start talking Ukrainian and refused to use the Russian language, So what the hell was that about and then ever since this guy was mentioninghe's been on so many more holidays, even before the special operation.And it just got worse and worse and worse.I still haven't been to Ukraine. I'd love to go if it's safe.I don't know how badly some people might take the video I made there, but I'm happy to show the Ukrainian side as well.I'm not got problem with that.But my best guess from what I can see and what I heard is that the Ukrainian identity and Ukrainian culture really is something new in historical terms in the way it is now.And that proper split of when nothing to do with Russia is very new.
What was it like when you were getting the bus down to Luhansk?You're kind of thinking, well, I'm going to somewhere which is on the edge of a war zone that's disputed territory. Were you slightly apprehensive going down there?[37:54] So when we got on the bus from Rostov, you then get to the old border, and that's what the border checkpoint is, about hour three and a half into that checkpointI did honestly sit there and think, what am I doing with my life?Why don't I just stay home? Why don't I just play video games? Who cares?Oh God. Cause you don't know. Maybe the phone call gets made and the guy at the top just goes, arrest him.Fuck him. Like, who is this?Thankfully it got to someone and they just said, yes. Um, don't know who,[38:21] Thanks bro. And then when you get on the bus to the war zone and I honestly, I felt great.Um, don't know if there's something wrong with me, but[38:32] there's something about, I was the same with Afghanistan. I don't know how to put this into words, probably.Maybe you've had this in Eastern Europe when it was less lawful as well.There's something about those kind of places where everything's a bit serious in the regard of only serious things matter, life or death matters.Whether or not you've got a vaccine passport, it's like the stupidest question you could ever ask, that kind of environment.I love it. Because it doesn't feel like you're being controlled anymore, even though everything around you is men with guns, army soldiers, people who could probably kill you if they had no reason to but just felt like it.[39:14] It still feels freer in that way. Am I making any kind of sense?
Well, I think the seriousness comes from that life can be harder in those places.And I think in the West we have entertained ourselves to death where there actually life is, you're right, more serious.Here life is what you want to watch on YouTube that evening or that day.It's, or how many likes you have for something that's life is reduced down to that trivialness where there it is life and death. It is more serious.
It's way more real.And you actually care about like what you're going to eat tonight, for example, such a, mundane thing. But like I genuinely was thinking about, Oh God, what we're going to have dinner.And so the kind of stress you get from that is almost rewarding in a way.I was trying to have this conversation today about like the acceptance of corruption and why it makes life better.I don't mean bribery, but I was thinking about some more. So when I got on the plane from Afghanistan on the way back.[40:13] I get to this front of the queue, blah, blah, blah, blah, sorry, man, I don't speak Pashtun English. Oh, no problem, sir.And then they take my bag, they wrap it up, And then the guy says, vaccine passport, sir.[40:26] I ain't got a vaccine. He didn't need a vaccine to get into Afghanistan. So I look at him and just go, I ain't got one.He looks at me like utter confusion, like he's never had this before. Gets his supervisor up, the supervisor just looks at him just annoyed and just goes.[40:42] Walks off and the guy just goes, oh bugger off. Just lets me through.[40:47] When like someone who's getting paid minimum wage turns down the stupid pointless laws that we all know are stupid and pointless.It's just a much better life. If he was checking the bag and said, did you put a bomb there?And I said, well, yeah, but you know, I want to blow up the plane.He obviously would have arrested me on the spot. He doesn't not care about serious things.But when it comes to stupid stuff like your vaccine pass, no one gives a crap.And they shouldn't give a crap in that country. But you do that in the West.It's still illegal for me to go to the United States because of the vaccine stuff.If I get that some TSA agent is going to be like, we haven't got it, you've got to go back.[41:24] Bro, what the hell do you care? You're getting paid minimum wage to work in the TSA.You give a crap about the vaccine?No, like you shouldn't for Christ's sake. And it's, we had that in the UK as well.It's not even that rare to us. Remember when Boris was caught with his pants down, he was having parties and the day after, none of those rules applied anymore.Security guys didn't bother trying to stop people for not wearing masks. Nobody gave a crap.We had that culture for a day there. That's what I mean. The fact that those petty laws mean nothing.And when I was in Luhansk and you're back in a zone it's, you know, state of war.[41:59] None of that petty crap means anything. I don't know, it's something spiritually that just makes you happier in a really messed up way because you're in a really messed up place. It's liberating.[42:14] When I last time was flying from Bulgaria and you had to wear masks, it must have been last summer, and everyone had to wear a mask. You wear a mask, they all get on the plane and as soon as they're sitting down, they all just drop it down to their chin. Literally, all the Bulgarians.[42:34] Here, people would have it up over their nose. Here, of course, you've got the, Air Stewardesses checking people. I know I've got friends, Air Stewardesses, and they said they spent all their time checking masks. Where in Bulgaria, they realized it just was a load of crap. Therefore, they didn't, they kind of would pay lip service, but really they knew it was nonsense where in the UK they paid not only did they pay lip service, but they believed, everything they were told. And it's that ability to think for yourselves. And it's quite weird when you come from the West. And so that's what I noticed. I guess you noticed that as well, that they just don't fit in and don't accept things just because you're told them.
Yeah, I mean, like a chap in the chat is mentioning anarchism. It's not anarchism.Like in it was the same thing with Afghanistan and Luhansk there is utter security in your position, no one's gonna kill you for no reason, you know if you blaspheme or something in Afghanistan you're buggered but don't do that if uh there's an ISIS terrorist in Afghanistan, there's Taliban every hundred meters with guns that dude's dead before he gets to you in Luhansk there are tanks and army soldiers everywhere, someone tries to start something they're getting arrested or shot immediately you couldn't feel safer in terms of like no one's gonna stab me it's not, It's not like you're in Birmingham.There's none of that, personal threat.[43:51] But the actual rules of life matter again, the things the state are doing, is actually something you can respect, security.That's the number one concern. That's what's actually going on.But none of this, oh, nonsense.Mentality exists. Andrew Tate actually described this in a really interesting way.And maybe you'll get it as well. He was in Romania.He walks into the gas station. And the Romanian guy goes, you need a mask and he just, I don't know, sorry, I thought the story wrong. He's in the UK, goes to a gas station, the guy says, you need a mask. He's like, bro, I filled up the car, here's the money. He says, no, you need to wear a mask before I can make you pay. He's like.[44:31] If you take the money or I'm leaving with the gas for free, I don't.[44:35] I'm not putting on a mask. What are you talking about? The dude starts losing it and he's like, no, you have to wear a mask or I can't take your money. Bro, you're getting paid minimum wage to, to work in a gas station?What the hell do you care? Like if Shell have this policy of you worst man, you think the CEO of Shell gives a crap if the new customer walking in is wearing a mask when he pays.No, nobody cares. This rule is meaningless. Everyone in the room knows it.And yeah, I don't know if it's our Protestant work ethic or something, but the Anglosphere worker who's getting paid minimum wage just goes, the rules are the rules, like a German.And he's just like, yeah, must implement the rules. No one's going to make him implement those rules.He does it to himself.[45:15] And then Tate mentions, you do that in Romania. Same situation.You walk in, the Iranian guy will say, sir, you must wear a mask.And you say, I'm not doing it.And the Romanian worker will go, eh. Not because he wouldn't do that if you were like, I'm not going to pay.[45:31] You've got to pay. That's important. But on stupid nonsensical rules, I don't waste my time with this.And we don't have that in the West.It annoys the crap out of me.
 
I remember some Bulgarians telling me you have to wear a mask because they were wearing one on their chin.It's just like, it's so weird. Do you realize it's just like a piss take?It's like, we don't give a shit. You kind of pretend. It's like, yeah, so weird.
But it's that part of the outside. Once you get outside the Western world, that's really the metric.It's not like corruption and bribery or the law doesn't apply.It's the, I'm not listening to nonsense mindset.And you have that in spades in Russia of the people? So I can appreciate that of the people.Sure, there's other problems.Sure, no, I don't agree with those things. But when I talk about this thing, and you'll recognize it as well in Bulgaria, Tate recognized in Romania, really the ex-Soviet nations really know how to go.I don't care what the dear leader's saying. For a good reason.
One thing I want to ask you that actually didn't really talk about, I don't think, but I live in London and sometimes it's difficult to find English people living in London.I assume over there in Russia it's still fairly Russian. I guess it hasn't been hit by the multicultural nonsense.[46:59] So this is a big criticism of Putin from the Russian nationalists I found on both the trips I've done there.And it's true, it's a valid criticism, which is that if you go to Moscow, for example, yep, there's a lot of Russians, but they have some of the same problems we have.The reason for this is because not only is the Russian Federation a huge country, huge amount of ethnic diversity just because it's so big, and there are loads of ethnic republics inside that are made up of ethnic minorities that travel all over the place.They also have the Kazakhstan border, which is ridiculously huge. They don't really man it.They don't really have the ability to man it. So that's not happening. In which case, they have loads of illegals, not to mention the legal immigration from those countries, because the quality of life working in Moscow as a taxi driver is way better, blah, blah, blah.One of the funny stories I got told, so there's a huge amount of those people in Moscow, which is visible, especially in the taxi drivers. One of the stories I got told is that the mayor of Moscow was talking about the fact that they're putting up Uzbek language signs below the Russian signs in this district in Moscow because the Uzbeks are taking too long in the metro. They'll get out, they'll stare at the signs, they don't really know where, they're going. So he's putting up the Uzbek language. And this lady's telling me the story and I'm looking at her like, lady, I've been here three days, I can read Cyrillic. You're[48:18] telling me these people live in Moscow and they can't read a Russian metro sign about, which street they live on. It was just kind of strange that kind of cuck-oldery in that sense of having no standards for your ethnic minorities. You treat them like children. You should just give up all of your culture and language and everything else because, oh, well, they can't read the signs.Learn to read then. I mean, it's not a big ask, learning to read. So they do have those problems as well. It's just nowhere near what we have in the UK. And for them, it's really only in these, big hubs like Moscow where all the money is. So, you know, I don't, this is why I mean by like some sections of the right who have never been to Russia, don't know anything about it, will fetishize, Putin and be like, yeah, he's tough on immigration and whatnot. Yeah, it compared to us, sure. But it doesn't mean there's no problems.And it's[49:14] again, same solution, which is just say no. We're not putting up Uzbek language signs.Learn to read, you goddamn losers.That's the correct response. What do you mean you can't read?Education's free.
 
Exactly. Let's finish off on food. Looking for food you got McDuck.I'm kind of thinking, did you order a big duck and that just doesn't sound right.Tell us about it because these places, obviously, Western companies have pulled out and then you get McDuck.What was that like?
 
It probably takes a little bit slower.In the Russian Federation, the old Russia, the Western companies pulled out.You've got mainly the ones you'll find in day-to-day life. Ikea isn't there.Very few Russians went to Ikea. It's very much a rich person thing.So it means nothing. You've got McDonald's, which has been changed to its tasty full stop.It's now run by some Russian guy, all the profits stay in Russia.Supply chains are all the same. All the food comes from Russia. Nothing's changed.So great. That's actually a net win for them. They're no longer sending money to the McDonald's USA company.Starbucks, same deal.There were a couple of others you'll find in day to day life.[50:35] Again, all the products don't come from the West. So, I mean, remember the West is basically a service economy for a place like Russia, and in which case they can do the services. It's not hard.In fact, they could pay Russians to do it, save money.[50:49] And then in Luhansk, because that used to be Ukraine and has been for eight years in a state, of conflicts, they care even less about copyright laws.So they opened McDuck, which I still have the wrappers for.[51:02] And that's the McDonald's there. Yeah, it literally has the Disney font, which is illegal.And they have the Disney characters that they put out, which I guess is illegal.What was weird there is that the interior design of McDonald's, remember when it used to be black and white squares or whatever, and then they changed it so it was those wavy patterns, and they had these wooden things behind the benches that would have gaps missing.
Yeah, like slats.
 
Yeah, you know the kind of design I'm thinking of?That's what they have in Ukraine, Luhansk, the Russian territory, because it's just not been touched in like eight years, it's still clean.All the fryers make the same beeping noises.[51:40] You could buy a black bread Big Mac, which I didn't do because I don't like a black bread.But in Russia, they've got the modern ones because it's only a year ago that changed.When I asked people about all of that, no one could have given a crap.This is something I really, I'm kind of annoyed about that the delusion so many people have in the West about Russia, they think it's just like the West, and it's just as effective as if we lost McDonald's tomorrow, people would be freaking out.[52:12] McDonald's was even only in quite good places in Russia. The people who went there, Russian people don't like McDonald's all that much.They've got their own fast foods, which are frankly better.Smoked salmon is so easy to get there for some reason, so cheap compared to your crappy Big Mac.And even then[52:31] If you're a Russian and some company does that, not only do you not care. If they ever came back, you're not going to go back and shop with them because they betrayed your country.So it's a lose-lose on that front. Places like Burger King hasn't left. They're making bank.McDonald's left, but they're open. So our biggest competitor decided to leave the country. What a retard. Make loads of money. And for the companies doing that, the argument is made that, oh, maybe they did it for moral reasons.[53:01] You think any of these companies do anything for moral? Are you high? No.They're not doing it for Ukrainian nationalism reasons either.None of these companies are Ukrainian. None of them have big markets in Ukraine.They've done this because some letter was sent from the White House.All their CEOs are actually that dumb and have just been taken on with the current thing and jumped in on it.I don't think any of these CEOs actually care about the morality question in any of this. And I cannot stress enough things in Russia are not collapsing as a result of the sanctions. I was re-watching the YouTube channel called LaserPig.I quite like the guy. I've got nothing against him. I love his content. Tank stuff. Love that.Anyway, so he did some videos about when the war started and I was going back and just checking out, what people were saying when it first kicked off. And one of the predictions he makes, for example, is like, oh, the conditions in Russia are perfect for being about the same as the Russian Revolution in 1918.You know, it was sort of a weird thing to say then after being there, food's cheaper than ever. Gas is cheaper than ever.I don't know if you saw it's 19 pence for unlimited gas in the Luhansk.
I saw you enjoying just watching gas burn.
 
Oh, it was great.[54:21] Life could not be more normal. I met people who were anti-Putin as well.I met people who were anti-special operation, anti-war, all of that.And I asked them, what's changed then for you? Because I mean, you're not gonna tell me everything's fine because you're some Russian nationalist who just is sitting there writing Zeds on everything you find.And they just, all of them without thought were just like, well, not really anything.The only lady I could find who told me anything changed was she worked in selling high-tech equipment.So like high tech cameras or high tech computer systems, right?And she said, so I asked her, well, OK, that must have been blocked off now, because those companies aren't doing it in Russia.And she says, no.I said, what do you mean? Is it where they fly to Kazakhstan and then the plane flies to Moscow?So the worst thing that's happened to them on a human level is like really high tech stuff is up 20% in cost.And only rich people were buying that anyway, so they don't give a crap.And like when I went to the GUM, the GYM, the richest place, the Harrods of Russia and all the Western stores have a little sign that's saying down due to technical issues. They're all still paying rent. They all still have equipment. They also have the lights on in those stores. They are just waiting for the right time to reopen those stores. They do not want to give up those spots. They make mad money on those things in normal circumstances. And those companies, again, if you're rich and you want to buy Louis Vuitton and you're Putin's mistress, easily done. Kazakhstan exists. We'll fly it in darling.[55:50] It really kind of hurts me that it seems to have done so little, not because I necessarily want Russians to suffer or something, but just because I am being endlessly propagandized in the West, but trust me, something's being, nothing is being done.The average life of an average Russian has not been affected at all.The rich Russians, not affected at all.If someone wants to make an argument about like their banking industry has taken a hit, and maybe there's some long-term effects there, you can argue.Sure, I don't know anything about that, so I'm not going to speak on it.But if someone wants to think that the average life is about to make the Russian population rise up and overthrow, and you're not living in reality, come back down. Okay.For them, life is more normal than it's ever been. Something weird is happening in our country to do with war.Okay. I'm Russian. That happens every 20 years. It's not new.[56:39] So here, while our fuel bills have quadrupled, actually we're still winning.Even though family finances are decimated. It's a weird winning.Very weird.
I actually played a game with everyone I met, even the border guards.So I messaged a mate of mine, I was like, so what's the average gas bill?Because I only have electricity in my apartment here.And he's a landlord, so he's got a few apartments and friends.So he told me, okay, so there's this lady who pays this much.That's about average right now.And so I converted it into roubles and show everyone. Same reaction every single time.[57:12] Serious not that serious. Yes. Yes true. Oh.[57:20] Then they'd ask me how much does the average English person make convert it back into roubles, It's not enough for them to think that's normal because they were like you this much of your salary goes on just gas.[57:33] Yeah, there are so many people in this part of the civilization, who I found are still deluded into thinking that they're living some cold, miserable hell, and we're the ones who are doing just a little bit rough around the winter.No, man, we're really suffering and they're not noticing it.[57:54] That's the truth of the matter. You can be mad about that, you can wish it was the opposite, it's not.
Just final thought is that what you talked about, they don't survive on McDonald's, not a big thing if they lose these brands. I think a sign that the West has collapsed is people sitting at home being able to order a McDonald's to come to your home. It's just literally bonkers that actually our populations in the West are living on McDonald's. Just, a sad state of affairs. You can get it with a bike directly to your front door. What am I? And you said salmon maybe? No, no, no. Let's go for a Big Mac and fries. Okay.
I'm imagining you looking out the window, seeing Deliveroo and just be like, this is the end of the West. Because I eat a lot of McDonald's. I happen to have a McDonald's right next to my apartment.So pro tip, double cheeseburger, small fries, three quid.[58:52] Best cost for money you can get. And I quite like the concept.It's a very capitalistic mindset, maximize calories, lowest cost, all that stuff gets the rightest part of my capitalist brain.Excited.I know a friend who used to work at McDonald's and he loved the calculation of how quickly you could wrap stuff, would save this many pennies and all that nonsense.[59:15] But if you're really deluded enough to think without McDonald's, Russia is finished or Saudi Arabia is finished or China is finished or some other country you don't like.[59:24] Number one, you're high. Number two, what happens when Burger King stays?That's right, nothing. Nothing happens.And we really seem to have a lot less power than we think we do.The idea that Western sanctions will really cripple the enemy in North Korea, yeah.In Iran, apparently it had some large effect. In a place like Russia that has all the damn resources, it couldn't mean less.Like, we've got all this stuff, it's just the services we don't have.High-level things but if you've already set them up for them.Okay, copy paste. Copyright, what's that?
 
Yeah, and of course they still have access to the Chinese markets. So what Britain says, we're not buying or whatever, that's okay, we'll just go to China.
 
You guys don't make anything anymore. Like the world really has changed about who makes things, who's important in that dynamic, and we mentally haven't caught up to that. We aren't, leveraging what we have and instead thinking, oh, we can make them suffer with this, and it doesn't work.[1:00:26] Callum, thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts. I don't know whether an African shithole country is going to be next on your list.
 
I mean, if you have any recommendations.I think I recommended Zimbabwe. I was thinking about turning up in a Rhodesian light infantry uniform. I just go and see what's left of Rhodesia. But I called a mate who used to be there, he's like, yeah, they'll probably kill you. I was like, maybe not.
 
Well, the guy you met, the weird guy, the dancing guy, the moustache guy, some undercover terrorist guy.
Evgeny. No, no, no. He's like a soldier slash, you know, soldier of fortune. I don't know.
I was just thinking whether Lotus Eaters would have paid your ransom.I could see this going horribly wrong.
Originally, he didn't ask for any money either. He was just like, yeah, I'll do it for free.By the time I'd ruined his week, I was just like, yeah, here's 100 quid.
Thanks for joining us. And our viewers and listeners, obviously Britannica Politica, you can find the videos there in the description. And however you're watching, the links should be in there. Or if you're listening on podcasting apps, the links are also there. So, Callum, Thank you once again for joining us.[1:01:47] Thanks so much for having me. I'll come around next time I go to some hellhole.
No, no, you didn't bring any AK-47s back or t-shirts, no?[1:01:57] I got some Hello Kitty t-shirts actually. Maybe I should sell stuff.
Have you still got Hello Kitty?Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know how much of that I could say. So I've got all the Russian stuff, still I've got some merch. Got on my Twitter page. There's a full list there of the things, Afghan, Serbian and Russian stuff. If it has a quote teat selling sold out, it's sold out.If it don't, I probably got it. Message me on Twitter or SubscribeStar.If you want to support me, subscribe to SubscribeStar. But the Hello Kitty shirts.So guy I knew in Afghan, I said to him, like, bring them to the UK.I'll come pick them up. He did that.[1:02:33] Bad news. He's gone bye-bye now. So the shirts I have are the last shirts I'm ever getting.So limited supply.
 
Like all your friends keep dying in these places. It's weird.
Well, I mean, it's not Miami.
That is true. That is true. Give us your handle again on Twitter.I think it's @akkadsecretary. It's called Callum. There's a picture of me with Luhansk sign behind me and a couple of Russian soldiers off to kill people. Who knows?
And people can click on the subscribe star there and they can actually support your extensive travels.
 
Yeah. Again, if you go to the YouTube channel, you'll find these things fairly easily around there somewhere.
Okay. Perfect. Well, on that, I'll say goodbye to our viewers and we'll see you on Saturday with David Vance and his week's review of the news.So thank you very much for tuning in, for watching. Have a good rest of your Thursday.We'll see you back on Saturday. Thank you very much and good night to you all.

Rachael & Diny - Vaccine Control Group: Collecting Essential Data on the Unvaccinated

We are delighted to welcome two wonderful ladies to Hearts of Oak. We have followed the great work of the Vaccine Control Group from the beginning of the Covid chaos, so the founders Rachael and Diny join us to discuss the journey and growth of this assemblage that seeks to show and oppose the lies of the mRNA experimental gene therapy injection. The people originally allocated by the pharmaceutical companies to be part of a control group for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, have almost all been vaccinated now meaning that the official, long term control group for the Covid vaccine research no longer exists.In to this gap stepped Rachael and Diny who had a vision to collect the long-term health data of the vax-free from every country, to provide the missing control group to the SARS-CoV-2 vaccinated; thus enabling independent and transparent, comparative analysis of the mass vaccination policy.It has grown exponentially all across the world as it meets and addresses a need, not only does it record the data for the unvaccinated, it also acts as a declaration of your 'pureblood' status and participation in the control group. This is a call to action for every SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-free individual in the world to join together in the most important study of our time – this is your opportunity to do something incredibly important for the future of your children by standing up to be a valuable and active participant of the world’s largest and truly independent control group.Link to Robert Verkerk PhD study discussed during the episode...- Self-Selected COVID-19 “Unvaccinated” Cohort Reports Favorable Health Outcomes and Unjustified Discrimination in Global Survey: https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/43“The Vaccine Control Group is a worldwide, independent, long-term study that is seeking to provide a baseline of data from unvaccinated individuals for comparative analysis with the vaccinated population, to evaluate the success of the Covid-19 mass vaccination program and assist future research projects. This study is not, and will never be, associated with any pharmaceutical enterprise as its impartiality is of paramount importance.”Get involved today at the following links...- Website: www.vaxcontrolgroup.com- Pre-registration page for new Covid injected participants to join: https://members.vaxcontrolgroup.com/preregister- Community: https://www.vcgwiki.com/index.php/community- Telegram: https://t.me/joinchat/vYOoXyzT-VY1MDc0- Twitter: https://twitter.com/VaxControlGroup?s=20&t=wNQcGsiNz2SvbaQkEX4OLg- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/493614538559474- GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/CGCoopInterview recorded 6.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Interview just coming up, looking at the vaccine control group and I had the delight of bumping into Rachael and also Diny at the event in Derby, the comedy podcast event.They were there with a table, a vaccine group table. And it's something I came across way at the beginning as I was trying to work out how you get past these mandates and also looking at what data was being collected on on vaxed. I came across this group, fascinating group. So I had a really great interview with both Rachael and Diny talking about what the group is, why it's needed, about the mandates being dropped and whether the group is still needed, how it can be used as a[1:09] control group for whatever is coming next. So it's not just a one-off, it can be used for other things, how you can support them with a £6 a quarter to get those cards, which you need to get. And, by that £6 a quarter you help fund what they are doing. Talk about how they're now all over the world, about the telegram groups, how people can share information, their Zoom calls you can be part of.So much to talk about and great to catch up with them on this essential venture they have started, from nothing. So I know you love hearing from Rachel and Diny.
 
So thank you for joining us, Hearts of Oak. And it is wonderful to have two people, an organization that I have wanted for months and that is Rachael and Diny from the Vaccine Control Group. Thank you both of you you for joining us today.[2:02] You're welcome. Thank you for having us. Great to have you and I bumped into you both in Derby and[2:09] great to see you're stalled and I've followed what you've done as of many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. We'll get into all of that but the details are there, the website is there and we'll put some of the Telegram links as well in the description, Vaxcontrolgroup.com. If I can maybe first ask how you both came to the point of launching, this initiative, this project, which is something that none of us thought we would ever need, but maybe separately how you came to be at the point of overseeing such a mammoth task?[2:48] (Diny) I'll start off. It was basically a meme that people who weren't vaccinated were saying, I'm in the control group because we obviously knew that there wasn't a control group for those people who'd been vaccinated because the control group had been vaccinated. And because I'd been part of starting a local freedom cooperative in Eastbourne and we're trying to get ways to do things in lockdown, try to find what we could do to try and fix things. And we realised with this meme that there actually wasn't a control group. And because my husband's a database developer and very experienced with data, we sort of talked and said, well, actually, we could do this as a group.We could actually set up our own control group, but there are only a small amount of us, about 70, and it wouldn't have really worked. We realised we needed it on a global scale. So we said, well, why don't we just create a database for the world and get everyone in a control group who's not vaccinated, as you do.So we just got about writing one, creating it, and in a spare room in our spare time.[3:56] Put some of our savings into it, and just sort of got started.And we were just writing the questions when we met Rachael.
(Rachael) Yep.So I'm Rachael. I was working as an A&E nurse for, well, when all of it kicked off really in March 2020.So yeah, it's a pretty crazy story in itself really.I come to the realization that what we were being told wasn't all the truth.And I ended up leaving my job and I didn't really know where to turn.If I was the only one that felt like I did. And I came across somehow the Stand in the Park groups.So that's when I found Diny.So she was in my local Stand in the Park group. And I heard about this control group idea and just really couldn't wait to be involved, really.So that's when I came and came and sat down and helped them with the questions to get going.So I went from there really.[4:52] Rach, because we've had NHS 100, we've had Alan from Together Declaration, we've had lots of groups, but some people were impacted more than others.And I guess, Rachael, you were one of those people who was really impacted because this was mandatory for you in your employment.
(R) Well, I'd already left by then actually, Peter, but it was a massive impact on me. I'd say my whole world flipped upside down. So in the beginning, I was completely terrified along with my colleagues about what we were going to see and what was to come. I went through the whole thing of not having PPE. I was fighting to wear a mask at work at one point. We were debating whether to move out and protect our kids, all that crazy stuff. And it wasn't until I actually left work for a few weeks and started reflecting on what was going on and my mum started asking me a few questions and it was her health as well that I started looking into natural ways of helping her that made me realise that everything I was taught wasn't the truth and made me[5:54] question everything really and that's when I decided then that I couldn't go back. So I actually handed my notice in early 2021 before the vaccine rollout came.[6:04] Wow. Wow. Can maybe let me ask you to explain there may be some of our viewers and listeners, I don't know where they've been if they don't know what the vaccine control group is, but they may have missed it. So for those of our viewers and listeners who have missed it, can you explain what exactly it is?[6:25] (D) Can I start? it's in two parts really. So at the heart of it, we are collecting the data of those people who've chosen not to take the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, to look at their long-term health outcomes. It's a multi-generational study because this is a multi-generational problem.[6:43] The people who've been vaccinated now who go on to have children and their children, we don't know what this is going to do to them. So we are studying the health outcomes and that is the really, really important long-term aspect of what we're doing. It's behind everything. It's health sovereignty really. It's you being able to know what's going to happen and having the choice.I won't say about what the next stage is, but I'll let you talk about the other aspect of the community.
(R) So we realised quite quickly actually when people started joining, because originally we didn't even market it or really share it that much, it just spread by word of mouth and people just started joining from everywhere really. It's incredible.And by the time we knew it, we had different groups of people in different countries.And so that's when we started up our Telegram groups. We thought we needed somewhere that people could come and chat and ask us questions as well. Because in the beginning, we were really, really asked a lot of questions, you know, who are you that are taking our data? We were really mistrusted in the beginning. They thought we were a government scheme.
 
(D) We're not.[7:47] Could have been part of the Nudge Unit number 10 or something. Who knows?[7:51] (R) People still get, we still get that though, from people that haven't heard about us. And that's fair enough, you know, we're happy people are questioning everything. But back to the telegram, so we started off with a few telegram groups and they just grew and grew and we realized we needed different language groups, different speciality groups, we needed like parents, university students, NHS workers at one point, that was you know a really cool group at one point and so we just expanded from there and we wanted to give back to those people that are constantly giving, us their data every month because what they're doing is really, really invaluable for everybody for the future. We wanted to give them support back and then we started to set up Zooms as well so that they originally started as Q&A Zooms so that we could just answer to everybody who we were and what we were doing and why and just so they could get a feel for us and meet us and ask us any questions. And they turned into a sharing and caring Zoom. That's what we call them now. So people from all over the world join. We've got a bunch of regular people who we've really made friends with over the years and they tell us what's happening in their own countries. We hear what's going on on the ground and we've formed a really good friendship group from that and we support people that are lonely.And yes, but just growing really lovely community really. So that's the second part. Yeah and...[9:12] No, no, go for it.
 
(D) The third part, which is, it's kind of turned into a monster of itself, is the cards. So our, idea initially when we very first started this was that we knew that people who haven't been vaccinated traditionally keep that quiet, but this was something much bigger than that. This was, you know, for the COVID vaccine, we felt that everyone should stand up and say, look, I haven't been vaccinated against it. I've got good reasons. Whatever those reasons are, they're my reasons, they're good reasons. We need to stand up, be proud of that because it's our choice and show other people that they don't need to hide as well. So we came up with the idea of these cards, which are sort of, you know, it's to be visible. That's the main reason. But the other reason was that we know, both being moms, we've each got three children, that kids can be coerced into vaccinations in schools, especially with things like the HPV. And in fact, my daughter didn't have it. And, you know, we had very sort of strict words about, you know, when they try and talk you into it, you know. So we decided that we needed to help them in some way. And that was to put on the card.[10:20] 'Must not be vaccinated'. And the idea is that this can act as a shield. So if someone's trying to coerce you, it was mainly for the children, but obviously any adult can use it too. They can say, look, you know, I've got this, I can't be vaccinated for this, I, you know, I'm not supposed to have it.No one's going to go against that. You know, it just gives them that extra bit of security.Adults have been using it too, though. It's been absolutely amazing. People have used it in all sorts of situations, but also they've used it in situations where the vaccine's been mandatory.So health workers have used it to keep their jobs in all sorts of countries, not just the UK, but countries like Australia, which is crazy. People have used to get into hospitals to see, their loved ones when they haven't been allowed into hospital. People have used it to get into other countries where vaccines are mandated. Even now, people are still using it to get into, the United States. It isn't an exemption of any sort. It is simply a card that helps you be visible in your right to not take this particular vaccine. But it just gives you confidence and power in your own rights, that's, you know, that's, it's not accepted by governments at all.[11:30] Or anyone. It's not, you know, we were very careful to make sure it didn't try and look like any kind of vaccine pass because we didn't want it to be a fake pass. You know, people said, or you're making a fake pass. No, it's not trying to be, it's not looking like one. It is simply what it is. And that's a card of membership for our cooperative that says you are unvaccinated, but also it's a little shield that you can use to say, look, this is, you know, don't come near me me with that needle.[11:56] One of the things I love about it is, and I pick up on some of those individual things, but thatmany people complain. People are good at sitting around and being frustrated and venting that frustration with friends and family and it's kind of round that table in the pub and going there for an hour and unloading everything that's happening.But there are very few people who actually think, well, this is a problem, but maybe we can do something about it.You're obviously individuals who've decided this is the problem, we could bitch and moan about it, but actually we could try and find a solution.It probably would have been easier just to sit and moan about it.What kind of spurred you into, we need to come up with something that fixes the issue that lies in front of us?[12:45] (R) That's an easy one and I think lots of people relate, but it's our children.Diny said we've got three children each and we saw their future being destroyed and them, not being allowed access to what they would want to do in the future, being unvaccinated, you know, not being able to travel, not being able to do the college courses they wanted potentially.So we felt really strongly that we need to do something in order to fix their future.So yeah,
 
(D) we weren't having it. We were just like, no, we're not having it. This is our kid's future and everyone else's kids, they're not going to screw it up for them. So we decided to fix it or try.
None of us have ever expected to be in this situation. So you try solutions and there's some work, some don't. But I remember talking to a friend and he had written, he had got a solicitor to write a letter to the school telling them what would happen and he would go for every single teacher who is involved in forcing that. He maybe had the finances to do that. But what you're provided is a way that everyone can do it. They don't need to have access to legal, which is costly, but simply by getting this, it is a way.
And I'd encourage and tell us about this, how people can actually give it, it's free.[13:59] But I would encourage everyone to actually sign up and it's what, 5, 10 pounds, a quarter ?Tell us about that because everything costs money to happen.And I, as not part of the scheme, can encourage all our viewers and listeners to make sure and pay for it because nothing comes for free. Tell us about that side.[14:19] (R) Do you want to say that, ?
(D) Yeah, okay. So when you join the vaccine control group.[14:26] The vaccinecontrolgroup.com, you don't have to pay at all to start with. Anyone can join for free, put in your data. I mean, you know, we're asking for your data. So it's a bit weird that you would actually have to pay for it. That is an unusual concept to have to pay to be in a study. So, everyone can be free if they want to be in the majority of people are, they don't pay to to participate. However, we are a cooperative, and we've got a cooperative model in that those people who want to fund us who want to help keep this going for, you know, we're expecting 30 years. And it does cost a lot. It's, we've got a team now, it's not cheap to do. Our idea for a funding model was that they would become members at it's £24 a year, that's £6 a quarter.So that's less than a cup of coffee taken out once a month. Our aim is to keep it as accessible as possible.We just need to keep this going. We're not looking to make loads of money out of it.We simply need to keep the thing going. That's all it's about.So yeah, it's six pounds a quarter.People can cancel any time they want. Those people who become associates of the control group, they get sent the plastic printed card.Everyone who is a free participant gets a digital version of it, which does exactly the same thing.So the benefit is that you are simply helping to fund this really, really important study going onwards.
(R) And allow it to remain independent.
(D) Well, yeah, that is the main important thing about it. Yeah.[15:53] That we're completely independent, because if we were to ask for funding from anyone else, and people have said, well, why don't you go to universities, ask for the funding?We have heard all the stories about who funds them. We don't want that.So we're not getting funding from anywhere other than our participants.And that's, you know, we're really, reallystrict on that.
 
If it came out that Pfizer were sponsoring that wouldn't be very good.[16:17] (D) That'd be awkward.
 
(R) Definitely not.[16:21] Tell us about the cards when people sign up and they pay the £6 a quarter, they get the cards.That must and probably remains a mammoth endeavour to get those cards out. I remember sitting and looking at the telegram groups and some people saying, I got my card in a week and others saying I'm in Australia and I'm so waiting on mine.
 
That's a huge process to get those out worldwide.
 
(R) Yeah it's taken us a long time to learn all this. Obviously we started off with no knowledge whatsoever of what we were doing and we bought our first few card machines and we got the printing right and everything but yeah we ended up getting a franking machine for the postage a couple of months in just because we were the post offices were literally saying no we're we're not doing it anymore because we would turn up with so much post and they just refused to do it and we were we were spreading it around different towns and different post offices just so that we could get them sent but we ended up having to do that ourselves so yeah it's been a massive learning curve and then we've had you know people get in touch saying I want a card in my language I want it in my language so we always went back to them and said well if you can provide a translation for us then we'll be happy to create that so we've now got.[17:29] I can't remember how many now 15 or 16 yeah something like that and we're building them still. So, so yeah, that was that was fun learning how but we had our kids working with us in the beginning, we had six card printers in one room at one point when we moved out of Diny's spare room, got a little office room and we had all the teenagers printing them for us and posting them.
(D) So they loved it. They really enjoyed it. We paying them a little bit for it. And they thought it was absolutely wonderful.[17:56] Yeah, wasn't it because when you start something you want success, but you don't know what success will look like. And then when something does pick up, you think, it was easier before.What was that when it started to really take off? And you said you didn't publicize it, but it was just spread because everyone was trying to find a solution to this.And suddenly you get the orders in.[18:18] What was that like? As you said, wow, this this is really impacting a lot of people.[18:24] (R) Yeah, it was it was the success stories that really did it for us.And I remember just reading some of them in the beginning. I was managing the telegram groups in the beginning.We've got a lovely lady doing that for us now. But yeah, we actually created a telegram group specifically for those stories.And they're just amazing. You know, just heartfelt stories of people that could go and visit their dying relative when they weren't allowed before.And that, you know, every time we heard one of those, it just kept you going.
(D) Yeah, but we could actually make a difference to people's lives in other countries.It's just, it's mental.
(R) Yeah, we didn't expect that.
And did you expect other initiatives to happen in other countries because in theory you'd set up something and think well we'll provide for the UK and people who need it and then suddenly requests come from all over.I assume you were not expecting a worldwide demand.[19:17] (D) We wanted it because we realized that the only way that we could actually show what was definitely happening to those people who haven't taken the vaccine was to show it all over the world in, different geographical locations, in different socioeconomic locations. And if that same thing, that same outcome was happening in Alaska, in France, in Italy, in Africa, then you've got a trend because one of the limitations with the study is that it is anecdotal, it's self-reported. And we know that.So we've talked to an awful lot of people. We've had amazing people giving us brilliant advice, people with doctorates and health professionals.And we were told that we need to get quantities of data, ideally over a million people, so that we've got large amounts in all those different areas that show that there's a trend of, we're either all doing really well or we're all dropping dead.Either way, we've got to show a trend and we need people to do that.[20:11] Tell us how the control group, because I think people initially come into this thinking, I want to kind of pass out of jail.I want a card out of jail. I don't want to get out of this.And then you realize actually there's much more to it than simply having that card behind that, which in effect is the purpose of the group, is a vaccine control group where people, enter their information each month.About that kind of the information people give and then the I guess the difficulty of actually keeping that data, bringing it together and then having it so you can use it to report later on.[20:51] (R) Yeah, so I'll explain a little bit about what we ask. So first of all, we ask for baseline health conditions, for example.So when somebody signs up, it's, you know, what medical conditions might you already suffer with so that we can see kind of what their baseline health is.And then every month we ask them a short questionnaire. And when we first put that in, it's all being re-changed now.Now so we'll explain about what it's changing too but we ask have they had COVID, the severity of the illness, were they hospitalized, what medications they take, what supplements they take, if they test, if they wear masks, for how long, any discrimination. We ask people to report if they've been discriminated or you know sacked from their employment for example because of their vaccine status. Have I missed anything?[21:39] (D) Just trying to think, no.
 
(R) It's hard because we're just redoing everything so that's like old stuff to remember. But that's kind of what we asked for in the beginning and we have had some people have a look at the data so far. So early on we had Dr Rob Verkirk of ANH, he came in and had a look at the data and he actually wrote a paper that got published. When was that published?[22:03] (D) Oh goodness me. Anyway, it was published. It was published. It's on our website.
We will put the link in the description. It's a good thing about doing pre-record. We will put that link in the description. So, send it to me and it will be there.
(R) Thank you. So, basically, he came and had a look at all the data and compiled it into a paper and he uploaded it to ResearchGate, which is like an open...Oh, can't even... ...Episodes? No, I've forgotten what the word's called now.[22:36] (D) Preprint?
 
(R) yeah that's it, a pre-print server and they're quite easy to upload on a pre-print server really because it's not you know a journal or a peer-reviewed journal for example, but it actually got taken down which we weren't expecting so they literally removed it and I can't even remember the reason.
 
(D) I think it was the Daily Mail put an article about it and that, kicked off, it was literally as soon as the article came out that it then came out again so
 
(R) Yeah, but the paper showed basically that the unvaccinated were doing quite well. So we had, quite low rates of hospitalization if people were suffering with COVID. It showed that all over the world people are really taking care of their health. So I think it was something like 70% were taking vitamins and supplements regularly to try and keep well. We also found out that, quite a high percentage of our database have had vaccinations in the past. So that really kind of screwed up their
 
 
 
(D) anti-vaxxer thing, not the anti-vaxxers they're looking for.
[23:42] I find actually that the government have made me, anti-vaxxer is the one who turned that up because I had no issue all the way up to now and it's only at this point that the government need to look at themselves for why there is any pushback because it's their fault.So thank you Matt Hancock for making me now be suspicious of anything coming from the Department of Health. I guess that's the same for you and I guess that's a story you're finding throughout.
(D) Yeah, we did actually ask, would you be willing to take vaccines in the future?I forget exactly what specific ones we asked about, but there was quite a high proportion.I think it's like 50% of people said they'd be much more cautious and probably say no to any kind of vaccine in the future.
 
(R) Even travel vaccines and such.
(D) Yeah, so they've actually made anti-vaxxers through this.
Tell us what has been the journey for you two in connections, in meeting people, and because this has, I guess, spawned a whole new community, a whole new group of connections and friendships and networks that didn't really exist. And I find sitting interviewing people and I thought, I wouldn't even have given that person the time of day, but now we find that there's something that unites us and you focus on that.So what has it been like for the two of you?[25:09] (D) Been crazy actually. I mean, at the very beginning of this journey, we had an awful lot of, who the hell are you? What are you doing? You know, you blue-haired freak have had quite a lot of scammers and grifters and oh my goodness. Yeah, which is, I mean, one of the reasons why we are on every single Zoom call so that people can ask us questions. And the first load, there were people[25:30] asking us questions. But we did have a lot of doctors talking to us secretly, which was quite funny. So doctors and scientists, they talked to us, but we weren't allowed to tell anyone they were talking to us. And so we came home to say to people, look, you know, there are lots of doctors that actually like what we're doing, support what we're doing, but we can't tell you who they are, and they're not going to say anything about it. And so we've had this really weird relationship with people. And, you know, obviously, we've had our participants, and they've been absolutely wonderful and incredibly supportive. But I think it's this last sort of six months, all of a sudden, people have realized that we're not grifters, scammers, we are truly actually doing this.I think there was also the worry that we were going to fail, that we were just a couple of idiot mums who were having a go at something we know nothing about, which we didn't. But we have learned so, so much. It's incredible because we have spent hours talking to doctors, scientists, researchers. We are learning everything we possibly can to make sure we do this incredibly well.
And suddenly people have realised that and realised that we are serious. We're not just faffing around doing something for our kids, we're going to fix this for our kids and we're going to do it the best way we know how. And so people suddenly, I don't know.[26:44] If they respect what, I think they respect what we're doing, maybe not us, but they respect what we're doing now and they understand that we are doing this properly. So from the medical perspective, we've been to a lot of events now and people have welcomed us and they're, talking to us and they're actually outwardly saying that they're supporting us now as well, which is lovely, which gives our participants a lot more faith in what we're doing too. So, It's been interesting.[27:09] Scary, because this is, I mean, I'm a science fiction writer, you know. I'm not used to dealing with PhD scientists. You know, it's, yeah, Rachael's a lot more medical and it's easier for you.
(R) But we haven't let any of it change us, have we? And that, you know, it's just brilliant.We're just us and we're just who we are. And I think that's why people relate to us as, well, because we're not trying to be anything we're not. We always say we come from nothing really and we're just a couple of mums but we've managed to do what we've done.
(D) And we admit when we don't know what we're doing but we always go and find out from someone who does know what they're doing. We get advice.
 
(R) Or we learn or we do live blood analysis courses.[27:51] So we know what's going on.
 
Well yeah you could write a whole science fiction novel in the last three years but that's a good material anyway for that next one.
 
(R) I think she wrote it before this.
(D) Well, I kind of wrote what I wrote was actually leading up to the world turning into this. So yeah.[28:12] Tell us about the data because I had actually, yeah, our next interview, actually just before this is Amy Kelly from Daily, DailyClout. And they've obviously published, that massive publication with 50 case studies of all different areas. And you look to that and you realize that what the data you're collecting isn't available. No one has certainly known in the echelons of society, known in the medical profession, known in the tech companies have thought of pulling together this data. And there are only a few countries actually that have, I mean, UK and Israel, seemingly that data is thrown up all the time, because other countries aren't collecting it. So what you're doing will be absolutely essential with that data.So tell us more about that because that is going to be extremely important going forward.[29:09] (D) Yeah, it's absolutely essential. And that's why after having our data analysed, initially, we realized there were lots of gaps, lots of things we could have asked better because we didn't know, you know, we did the best we could. But actually, you know, a year and a half down the line, we know[29:26] where this is going, the landscapes change too. So we're in the middle of and almost about to, relaunch a much more extensive questionnaire with much, much deeper questions.
(R) Yeah, when we started we had no idea what kind of adverse events we were even going to see at all. We could guess, but we didn't have a clue when we wrote our questions. So we've really dug down into what we need to look at now and we're going to have a massive section on pregnancy and fertility going forwards as well as heart issues. We came from, I think, the top headings of medical conditions such as heart, blood, lung conditions and now we've we've dug right down, we've got over a thousand different conditions people can select going, forward so we'll really be able to look at the data more clearly.And part of the relaunch going forward, the database developer is building some kind of warehouse that people can, data analysts can basically plug into.So we really want the data to be more available to everybody and we've only managed to get one paper written so far going backwards just because we're a small team and it's a lot of work. And we want to be able to push out data way more easily and readily. And another aspect of it is there's never, you know, there's never the data, the raw data.[30:42] So, you know, when you read something or look at a publication, for example, you can never really dig down to the raw data that they were looking at when they were analysing.And we want to make it as available as possible. So analysts in the future will be able to just plug in, we'll obviously make sure that they're trusted and they're doing it for good reason and they'll be able to plug in and analyse and put out way more publications going forward and they'll be able to spot trends in the data, look at certain aspects of the data.[31:12] Which is what's happening to pregnant women, for example. And I forgot to mention one of the most important things. And the most?We're not, well, yeah, it's all anonymized, definitely. But we're inviting those that have taken COVID vaccines in.So when we relaunch, we're officially inviting those that have had any number of any different COVID vaccine into the study so that we've got our own comparative cohort.And so again, we can support them that have been injured or regretful and you know, realized they've been lied to. So that's the huge change that, we're going to now.
(D) And even possibly the people that are happy to continue them, we're hoping that they'll want to say, well, prove me wrong and also provide their data.[31:56] I think that's essential people who have taken it because if, I mean, one of the demos was at, 10 days ago was for the vaccine injured and there were eight different people speaking about the devastating effect it has had on their health and their family and their lives.[32:12] One, that story is not really told. But two, it's vital that they can begin to put in their information to this because you will at least be willing to listen to them and allow them to put in that raw data and assess it where no one else is giving them the time of day. So I think it's, really quite essential and important as you're growing to add that facility on.[32:36] (R) Yeah, and as well as that important data, the community needs to expand and grow as well.And we've had vaccine injured people come and join our sharing and caring zooms with our regular participants. And it's just been absolutely amazing seeing how the understanding is growing and they're listening to each other. and we just want to bring people back together again and unite people.[32:58] Yeah it is.
 
So the best way, I want to touch on where we're going with it, but the best way for people to follow you on the website will have links to the Telegram groups and people can join those Zoom sessions can they?
 
(R) Yes they're open to absolutely everyone. On the community part of the website there's a menu on the left that says Zooms. Anyone can come and chat to us, we do them twice a week, we're always there.Yeah, different time zones.Yeah, different times a day. Yeah. And we also do community events as well. So we invite people on with, normally, it's normally to do with health and wellbeing, but it can be any interesting topic really, so that we can learn from people and they're open to everybody as well. So you can sign up to come along to one of those and ask the speaker questions.[33:48] Okay. Can I ask, looking forward, because people, I actually did think at one point, well, maybe it's all going to go away and we'll all be left alone. I don't think that will ever happen. So tell us what, because you put this together because you were faced with an issue, we were all faced with an issue. We're now told that's gone away. So you can now, certainly regarding travel and movement and possibly employment that's beginning to change. Where, does that leave you and what you're doing with the vaccine group?[34:27] (D) Still really important because people have been vaccinated and we don't know without studying what the outcomes are going to be for those people and their children long term. So that.[34:39] You know, you can't take the vaccine out of people, at least not that we know of yet.So that's going to be there for generations to come. So that hasn't gone away.And actually in the UK, things seem quite easy. In other countries, it really hasn't gone away.It's, you speak to people and it's still quite horrendous. And with what we're doing, the way we've designed it is that, yes, we're studying the COVID vaccine or the effects at the moment, but you don't know what else is going to come along.And actually, because we are a control group, we could effectively be a control group for anything that comes along.So while people are entering all of their health data, if suddenly people start to take the M-Pox vaccine, for example, well, if we've got loads of people who have and loads of people who haven't, and we've got people who are willing to study our information, our data, our anonymized data, fully anonymized.[35:29] Then there's nothing to stop us being a control group for everything else that they might want to throw at us, for the next big pandemic that Bill Gates has promised us.
It's round the corner, being dropped on us from a balloon somewhere near you.
(D)Yeah. You know, you just don't know what's going to happen.
(R) and we're pretty flexible. You know, we've been flexible since the beginning.We literally change our plans every week, depending on what we hear on our Zooms, whatever the landscape is, whatever people need. You know, we really think about that and take that, into consideration. And that's one of the main things that we get from the Zooms as well as, you know, making friends and supporting people. It's what do people need?Yeah. And we go with it, don't we? Yeah.
 
(D) And also all of the systems, the database, it's not an off the shelf system. It's been written from scratch, every bit of it. So we've got, we started off with just my husband writing everything day and night.[36:22] He's still doing it, but we've got a small team around him also doing that now. And so because it's, it's everything is designed specifically for this and for what we're doing and for what we want to do going forward.We can adjust it and alter it to be whatever it needs to be going on, just so that we can show what we need to show.That's the truth.
And I think therefore it's essential that there may be people watching who have been part of it, who have paid that six pounds a quarter, which everyone should be doing if they're part of it, and they may be thinking, you know, it's probably run its course and maybe I should just cancel.But certainly from my point of view, my viewpoint, it's essential.As you said, it's in effect, it's a blank slate that can be used for whatever is coming.And that means that it is vital for people to continue to support it by inputting data, but also with that financial support.[37:20] (D) Yes, yeah, absolutely. I mean, we understand it's hard times for everyone, which is why we've made it as cheap as possible.And also, you know, there's the free option and most people do go for that.We don't feel that we're asking too much by hoping that some people will feel that it's worth paying for because this could show, that the unvaccinated are doing brilliantly or it could show that actually we're all dying.But if that's the case, we want to know, we need to know whichever way it goes and we will show whichever way it goes.We need to know that information for us and for our kids. If it looks like the children who have been vaccinated they're not able to have children. They need to know that but they're not going to know that until those children have grown up another 10 years or 15 or however long it takes, you know, to find that out if this study stops.[38:10] You know, because we can't afford to fund it, then you're not going to find that information out, because no one else is doing it.
 
And to repeat how important it is, I only learned with my, interview with Amy Kelly that one of the studies they did was that Pfizer had started a control group for those who weren't Vax, so placebo group, and those who were getting the Vax.And that was going to run for, I think, two to three years.Then after four months, they just jabbed everyone. It defeats the whole.And when you hear stories like that, you realize that everything we thought was true about how these companies operate, actually threw that in the bin and it's purely about a rush to market.And therefore the data you have is essential because it's possibly unique and these companies don't have it.[39:03] (R) Yeah, exactly. And one thing we've learned just from doing this, which I didn't have a clue before, being a nurse even, that a lot of the studies that they do aren't even given a placebo anyway. They're giving a different treatment.They don't give them saline. They give them a different vaccine, for example.So there's never really a true control group. So what we're doing is unique.And we're completely independent. We're not biased at all. We're not funded by anyone.So this is the future for science. That's how we see it.It's a future where people can fund a truly independent thing, put their data in, and then we can find out what's going on in regard to anything, any treatment.[39:42] (D) And the users have a vested interest in it because they're part of it.They're the ones who are funding it. And because we're a cooperative, those who are associates, they're the people that we listen to for what we need to do.They're the ones who steer us.[39:57] Have you been surprised at the lack of vocal support for those who have chosen not to have this?Because I mean, for me politically, kind of on the right, I've been quite shocked at the, voices have only been on, well, people should kind of have freedoms, but really we need to jab them anyway.And all those freedoms you kind of think on the right, actually that collapsed.And as I found politically on the left you had a lot of calls for restrictions, for freedoms for individuals that traditionally, so the whole thing has got messed up and mixed up which has been great fun to watch.But for you, have you been surprised and expected, I guess, high profile figures to have stood up and spoken out and they've just remained silent?[40:49] (D)Yeah, I think we've been disappointed.
 
(R) Yeah, and we've actually spoken to some people and Diny's quite strict with them sometimes, you know, high profile people with big influences and she's like, you know, you know the truth, you know the right thing to do, now get out there and say it and you're quite good at doing it.
(D) I get quite arsey with them.
 
(R) Yeah, a bit disappointed with the lack, yeah, definitely
(D) But I can understand it as well because people are genuinely terrified.People are actually frightened that people who haven't taken the vaccine are going to infect them and kill them. They genuinely believe that because the media has done such[41:24] A good Psi-op on them. They genuinely are frightened for their lives. And so they see people like us as, well, I don't know what they see it as, but you know, we are potential killers for them, which is it's just bizarre. I meanI vaccinated my children up to a point and then I started to realize what was going on. And so[41:45] I stopped vaccinating them. They've had a couple of the MMR separately, but not all of them. So I've been awake to this for quite a while. And I know that you've got to keep quiet about it. You don't say to people, my kid hasn't had the HPV and they haven't had all the MMRs. You just don't say that because people automatically have been trained to be frightened of you. So I wasn't surprised of the reaction, but I'm angry at a lot of the high profile celebrities who have woken up and just don't want to lose their income through this. Because people like us, we've all given up, everything we were doing. Yes, we're actually working full time for this now. So we do take an income from it, just to be clear on that. We didn't initially because we were volunteers and everyone was volunteering, but you know this is full time, we have to live. But you know, initially we'd all had to step away from careers like everyone else had because we just couldn't carry on working because of, well Rachael chose to leave it. I lost most of my work because of everything and loads of people have lost so much through all of this.
(R) And that comes back to that and that's you know about thousands of people all around the world standing up and being part of a group and being proud of the fact that they're unvaccinated.
(D) And being honest about the fact that they're not being vaccinated.[43:12] Because I always give people a benefit of the doubt and now I'm just pissed off at people because we've all got something to lose. We're all in difficult situations. Most of us don't have a big pile of money that we can fall back on.We do live extremely tightly. And for people to say, yeah, but you know, they're a movie star or star, they would lose a contract.Well, what about us in our small flats, whatever, living that are struggling day to day with the kids, school runs and all that? We have something to lose as well.I think our media and society make it that if you're famous you've got a lot to lose but if you're the little guy you've got nothing to lose but often it can be the other way round.[43:56] (D) Yeah, absolutely and a lot of the celebrities have also taken, well we've been told that they've had the fake passports which also doesn't help the situation.Situation. Yes, I can understand that you don't want to give up this thing that you've worked incredibly hard for. But at the end of the day, this isn't like anything that's ever happened before.
(R) And it's not only what you're going to lose now, it's looking to the future. If they realise what we're heading into, none of us can have anything.
(D) Yeah, and they don't want to look into the future. People just don't want to see, you know, this is this is now it's going to go away.It's fine.I can understand it. I don't like it, but I can understand it.
Closing your eyes doesn't make you away. Can we finish just last point looking, you talked about having children, I've got two kids as well, two boys. And it's interesting conversations that as a parent you have with children, especially trying to protect them from the indoctrination, they have around what's happened the last three years.[44:59] But I think by getting the card, it's a great conversation topic with your children and then you talk to them about why this is needed and make sure they're prepared because my, worry, many parents worry, is that the parent tells the school it does not want this, but, the school thinks it knows best.And hey, the parent will thank them anyway so they just do whatever to the child.And that's why I think it's vital to train your children, to educate them and to prep them so they know how to respond, how to argue.So it's not just us as parents arguing for them, but actually put in them.And I think that part of the advice control group allows you to, I guess, teach them this so they can carry that forward.
(D) Yeah, absolutely. And on the other side of it, you can actually use the card, for example, to say, look, we're actually doing something good for society. We're not doing nothing. We're not sort of not taking this and not helping the situation. We're actually, contributing. Yeah, contributing our data so we can, you know, see which way it's going. So they are actually doing something. It's not doing nothing.
(R) Yeah, in terms of our children, they're both they're all home educated.
(D) Yeah, so Well, mine have dipped into school and out actually during the pandemic.
(R) Yeah, I literally dragged mine out of school and I quit my job.[46:20] So, yeah, they haven't been back since, bless them. But we've got a lovely community around us and we've been, you know, muddling in and helping and teaching them between us all sorts of skills.Yeah, I think mine thought probably I'd gone a bit crazy at the beginning because I'd completely flipped around what I was saying at home.[46:39] And I actually took my eldest daughter to one of the first protests that was happening in London.And it was then that she burst into tears when we got there and saw the enormity of it.And that's when she realized that what I was saying was right.But you do have to be careful with children and protect them.You know, you can't tell them, you know, you don't want to scare them, do you, with what's happening?
(D) No. But then on the flip side, they're being scared to death by what they're seeing in the media.But yeah, but actually, my eldest was at university during lockdown.And oh my goodness me, she was in one of the universities facing the one that had the fences being pulled down, well fences put up and then pulled down.And she actually had one of her friends commit suicide during it because of all of this.So the whole landscape's changed for the kids and they can either be terrified of COVID and whatever comes next, or they can be terrified of what's going on around them, but supported by people looking to a positive future of trying to do things to make things better.So we're, although, you know, it's, it's scary telling them all about this. And we do, you know, to different degrees, because they're all different ages, but they can see that we're doing something about it. And actually we're having a lot of fun doing it. It's, It's hard work what we're doing. It's sometimes heart-breaking, but we do make the most of having a laugh a lot.[48:05] Yeah. We have a lot of fun.
 
With what we faced, you need to laugh. I know when we do our news reviews on Saturdays, we try and look at something which is funny at the end because it could become very depressing and demoralizing and you need to use humour too. And that's why the event, Derby, was great, in comedy to just laugh at everything and stop yourself getting too depressed.
(D) Yes, definitely.
It's been wonderful talking to you and I know our viewers will go and make use of the website.Rachael and Diny, thank you for your time today.
(R&D) Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

No guest this episode as Peter is busy travelling and attending conferences but the show must go on, sofrom his hotel room we hear his considerations on some of the stories that have caught his attention including.....- Project Veritas: What on earth is going on?- Protesters clash with police at Liverpool hotel housing asylum seekers.- UK scheme to prevent terrorism has "apparently failed" repeatedly to identify attackers, a review has concluded.- MP calls to refocus domestic counter-terror programme to take in anti-vaxxers, incels and followers of the Trump-supporting, Q-anon.- Questions being asked at GB News as Mark Steyn quits.- Rotherham councillors ‘knew and stayed silent’ about town’s grooming gangs scandal.- Church of England to consider use of gender-neutral terms for God.- Arizona hospital on brink of collapse after spending $20 million on migrant care.- ISIS calls for attacks on Christians around the world in the wake of Koran book-burning in Sweden.Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.Recorded 10.2.23
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Amy Kelly - War Room & DailyClout: Exposing the Pfizer Lies and Coverups

Pfizer tried to hide it. The FDA tried to cover it up. But then came DailyClout and the War Room. The full analysis of 50 reports from the Pfizer data dump has now been published for the first time and Amy Kelly was the heroine who made it possible. She coordinated the efforts of over three thousand volunteer experts. Amy joins us to go through the most shocking findings of this report and gives us her insights into how, under her guidance, they put together the Pfizer jigsaw.Amy Kelly is the Program Director for the War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Project as well as being COO of DailyClout. She oversees the approximately 3,250 volunteers who are reviewing, analyzing, and reporting on the court-ordered, FDA-released Pfizer documents, as well as overseeing the approximately 350 volunteer attorneys who are identifying legal actions to be taken based on findings from the Pfizer documents. Additionally, she does research and provides answers to the public’s questions about adverse events found in the documents.Amy has over 20 years of experience as a Project Manager. Additionally, she is a certified Six Sigma Black Belt, certified in change management methodology, and has experience as a Business Analyst, Product Manager, and Strategist. Prior to working at DailyClout, she worked primarily in the telecommunications, transportation, and medical devices industries. Outside of work, she volunteers for education-related causes and in county political organizations.War Room / DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Volunteers’ Reports eBook: Find Out What Pfizer, FDA Tried to Conceal Kindle Edition on Amazon.....https://www.amazon.co.uk/DailyClout-Documents-Analysis-Volunteers-Reports-ebook/dp/B0BSK6LV5D/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=War+Room+%2F+DailyClout+Pfizer+Documents+Analysis+Volunteers%E2%80%99+Reports+eBook%3A+Find+Out+What+Pfizer%2C+FDA+Tried+to+Conceal&sr=8-1Connect with Amy and the Daily Clout.....War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Reports: https://behindthefdacurtain.substack.com/Amy Kelly Substack: https://substack.com/profile/101872272-amy-kellyAmy Kelly on GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/akamericaDaily Clout Website: https://dailyclout.io/Interview recorded 3.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. We've got Amy Kelly coming up. Amy Kelly is the Chief Operating Officer of, Daily Clout. Of course, we've had Naomi Wolf on many times who's the co-founder and CEO of Daily Clout. And Daily Clout, along with War Room, have produced a phenomenal document which pulls together, the Pfizer reports going through all the information that Pfizer dumped. And they've, have pulled together, I think, 50 case reports on all different areas. It is available to download directly as a PDF from Daily Clout and also is available to download on a Kindle from Amazon.You need to get hold of it. It is a seminal document that talks and shows the crimes that have been committed against humanity, against the world. They knew about it. The FDA knew about it.They didn't do proper testing.They got rid of documents. They got rid of trial documents. It's so much.[1:23] It is close to unbelievable, but yet we've seen it transpire right in front of our eyes.So Amy goes through so much of it, pulls together a number of the stories, and you will want to listen to it and you will want to get hold of it.So make sure you do. By doing that, you're informing yourself and also you're supporting the great work that, Daily Clout are doing. So enjoy Amy Kelly.
 
I am absolutely delighted to have Amy Kelly with me today from Daily Clout. Amy, thank you so much for your time today.[1:58] Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.
 
Not at all. It's always wonderful to look at the work that you're doing with Daily Clout in many areas and obviously in the last two years been focusing on the COVID vaccines.We want to talk today about the e-book. All the links are in the description.And this has just come out a few weeks ago.Let me bring it up on the screen. And if people go to dailyclout.io, they can get a copy of the documents put together down load it as a e-book, as a PDF, you can download directly on Amazon. Everything is there. The links are all in the description. But before I get into the book, can I ask you, Amy, how you ended up taking on such an enormous task of pulling together all this information. What led you up to that point.[3:01] Well, my background professionally is in project management and I've also got a background in business process improvement specifically something that's called Six Sigma or Lean Six Sigma. So that leads into what I'm going to say next. I actually signed up to be a volunteer on this project and when you sign up in the volunteer process and ask you like what your skill set is and mine was not you know many of which were available to choose from like a doctor nurse or statistician things like that so I'd build in the other input project management and process improvement and it just so happened I submitted that[3:47] form at the time when everything was really coming together and they needed somebody to take over the project and manage it because so many people have volunteered. And so Naomi reached out to me and asked me if I would be interested and I was intimidated at the thought of thousands of people but very passionate about this cause and so I said yes I would love to give it a try and see how it goes. So that's how I got involved.
And let me just, this is it on Amazon. You can download directly there.And it puts together the 50 reports. And I, there, when you, when you go through and see the great thing about this book is one you can pick up, you can go through some sections, set it down.You're not going to be tested on all 500 pages off it. Don't worry.But there are a whole lot. So one of the reports, Pfizer mRNA construct, why spike proteins causes disease, report six, safe and effective.We baked a different red flags in the Pfizer internal documents.Report seven, COVID-19 vaccines and pregnancy, risky business.Asking what did Pfizer know and when did they know it? The FDA fails to mention risk of heart damage in teens.[5:09] Looking at the missing pregnant women from their trial. Looking at micro RNA, which I had actually never come across, with adverse effects, rising babies, breastfed by vaccinated mothers.I just want to reinforce that any issue, any area that the viewer, the listener will have on this topic is covered.Absolutely everything is covered in it. And it is something you can pick up, you can understand and then be equipped to discuss that.As you've begun to get involved in this, was there a time where you thought, this is just too difficult?Obviously, Pfizer had meant it, so it was nearly impossible to actually get hold of everything.So when you were going through the data, were there times when you thought, this is just too big a task?
Actually, I haven't really felt that way and the reason is is because we have such an amazing group of volunteers, doing this project. I mainly am just coordinating how[6:19] documents are distributed between them for them to look at and then reviewing reports that are submitted and so forth I mean, there's a lot of other things that happen behind the scenes administratively.[6:30] But as far as thinking it's too big or too intimidating They have been all in for this and I just am honestly awed by their passion and commitment to it.And they have fantastic skill sets. We have so many doctors and as I mentioned statistician, medical researchers and this, is their area and I get messages from volunteers all the time saying I love reading medical studies and I'm like thank goodness because that's what we need. One thing that was maybe a little intimidating about it is a lot of the documents are very I call it tables heavy like they have bunches of tables of data but they, the tables of data are in a PDF so they aren't easily analysed but I put out a call to the volunteers because I knew we had a lot of data experts data analysts and sure enough there's a group that came together and formed their own group to extract the data out of those tables in the PDFs and put them into an Excel format to make them searchable and much more easy for others to use in doing research. So I'm supported by lots of wonderful people.[7:52] And of course you had those three and a half thousand volunteers that came from all over, to pull this together.But there's one side, you can have the information, but obviously the issue is to get it out to, the public. And it's not just Daily Clout's name on the front, but it's also War Room.So tell us about kind of that partnership and the effect of War Room and Steve Bannon actually getting the message out.[8:20] Well, that's an amazing partnership and we are so thankful to Mr. Bannon and his team.[8:29] When the Pfizer documents started coming out, Naomi was on War Room already on a somewhat regular basis.And my understanding is they were on there one day talking about these documents.And Mr. Bannon said, we have the greatest set of people watching.They're highly engaged and we're going to put the call out to see if people will help analyse this.Crowdsourcing this type of research is new as far as I know.And he put the call out and the volunteers started rolling in.So that's really an effort that he made happen. And then he's been so supportive through the whole process of letting us talk about what we're finding and go on and highlight reports that the volunteers have done.And just none of this would have happened without him.[9:26] He is a force of nature. Certainly is.Can I, you begin as a summary and you go through some of the findings and maybe I can just pick some of those and let you talk a little bit more around them and from your perspective what kind of stood out.But one of them is, and all of these will just blow people away, is if we haven't understood how awful the situation is when it's laid out step by step, it really does hit home.I think that's one of the really valuable parts of this document.But on the first one, Pfizer's claim of 95% efficacy was based on only a tiny number of COVID-19 cases in the clinical trials, 170 cases in over 40,000 trial precipitants.That blows you away. You think this mass amount of people actually testing and then when I first read that, I think in Spectator quite a few months ago, 170, that's mind blowing.[10:33] Yes, it is that it's such a small subset on which that was based and that report is fascinating to me for a lot of reasons.The people who wrote it are extremely talented and know their stuff.And one thing that I found interested in reading that report other than the tiny sample that was used was that there were what we call protocol deviations.So each clinical trial has protocols that must be followed.They lay them out and that's what you stick to unless you formally amend the protocol.And what happened with this one was there were protocol deviations.And those protocol deviations led to several of those 170 people being in a situation where they really should have been disqualified from the trial.And if I remember correctly, the number that would have remained was 164.And that doesn't meet the threshold to get emergency use authorization in the United States.So they kind of ignored some things they shouldn't have ignored in order to push it through.[11:49] Wow. I just want to go through and pick up some of these and then we'll open it up.Another one, number three said contrary to public statements by Pfizer and FDA, both, were aware of data showing that the vaccine ingredients travel from the injection site, throughout the bloodstream.We hear a lot about that of the whatever is in the vaccine going into one part of you and then traveling.And when those questions were asked, of course, those people were dismissed as crazy, as tinfoil hat.But again, you've looked at the data and the FDA and Pfizer were aware that this was an issue.[12:35] Yes, they were for sure. They did studies called bio-distribution studies and you, know that's this big term that really just means where do things travel through the body when they are put into the body. Let's look at all the places, it goes. And they did those studies and saw that it did indeed travel throughout, the body via the bloodstream. It gathered in organs such as the ovaries and the testes and the liver even in the bone marrow basically any organ you can think of almost it gathered in and so they had that information yet when it was rolled out to the public all of us were told it remains in the deltoid muscle that it's injected to in your arm and doesn't go throughout the body so, that was just that's almost worse than the not having informed consent it's just lying about it.[13:37] And they knew. There's another, I love the way you put out a statement and the numbers and you have to think, oh sorry, did I just read that? So in number four, Pfizer did not expect more than 158,000 separate adverse events to be reported during the initial 12 week rollout.158,000.[14:03] Tell us about that and how they responded to that.[14:07] Okay. So that is the period of time you're talking about is called the post-marketing period.And so that started with, it actually started with the UK rollout date.So on December 1st, 2020 through February 28th, 2021.And during that time, they're collecting reports of adverse events.So they had, I can't remember the exact numbers, a little over 42,000 cases of people having adverse events.And then among those 42,000 cases, there were the 158,000 something that you mentioned adverse events.So people were having multiple adverse events.That is a shocking document to read through. The appendix is eight pages long of just margin to margin adverse events that people had happened.And some things are minor that you would expect more like a fever or soreness at the injection site.But there are truly frightening things in there that,all kinds of diseases and autoimmune issues, which is another disease and just, Shocking shocking things to read through. I really encourage people to look at it. It's around[15:31] 1,190 separate adverse events of special interest. That's what's in the appendix versus, Just regular adverse events there's ones when they say they're of special interest that are of particular interest to what they call the sponsor, in this case, Pfizer, and they want to do more research on that. But no one was informed when they went to go get the vaccine, let's say after February 28, 2021, that there was this long list. So once again, people really can't give informed consent without knowing that they might be subjected to those kinds of events.
Because certainly in the UK when we had our daily press briefings, I'm sure you had in the US as well, you got those death figures each day.There certainly was nothing about any possible negative side.It was simply you must get it. I assume that was the same in the US.[16:28] Oh yes, it was the same in the US. I've talked to so many people, especially since I got into this line of work, who said, know, they went and got vaccinated. Nobody mentioned anything negative. You just walk in and sign a piece of paper saying that you consent and they give you an injection. And there may be the rare pharmacist or doctor or nurse, whoever's giving you the injection that mentions that there could be some adverse event, but that's definitely not the norm here. And from talking to people worldwide, it sounds like it's not the norm anywhere.
There's another key element in this and that is the effect on babies.In section five, it says, as Pfizer tracked adverse events during the first 12 weeks of the vaccine rollout, 270 pregnant women reported a vaccine injury, but Pfizer only followed 32 of them and 28 of their babies died.Once again, they seem to hide this. You talk about medicine and you talk about groups maybe who shouldn't get the first ones and pregnant women is generally regarded as in that, but they seem to have disregarded that completely.[17:52] Yes, they really have and it's honestly been shocking and so upsetting to see that happening, especially given that they had this data from early on showing a very high miscarriage rate among the women that they did follow who were pregnant.[18:12] And in addition to that, the babies that do make it to full term and are born are also having issues a lot of times from the mother if they're being breastfed and getting those ingredients through the breast milk.
Is that information getting out? Because I know that I was at an event here in London 10 days ago, two weeks ago, and it was, there were eight people on the platform talking about being vaccine injured and talking about how their lives had been destroyed really.And there's very little help for them because it's not even believed.Is that story beginning to get out of the effect on this and then those people actually receiving any health and care for that.[19:02] You're speaking about the vaccine injured now?
 
Yeah, yeah.
 
Yes. I do think it's improving some.There, now that we're all being allowed to speak out a little bit more on social media about it, that message is getting out. There's videos being shared that are undeniable.And of course here, luckily, we've had Senator Ron Johnson, who has highlighted the vaccine injured.And now that we have the house has a Republican majority, they seem quite interested in pursuing that as well. So I think the message is going to get out. And I just think we've kind of reached a threshold where it almost can't be ignored. I was just talking about this with somebody yesterday, when you constantly are seeing people around you, either that are, you know, been vaccinated and boosted and keep getting COVID or they are injured from the vaccine and can't function like, they're injured. Some people may not think it's from the vaccine but they can't function like they used to or all the prominent people that we've seen dying and that's been reported is getting the message out more. I think we can't really ignore it in the same way it was being ignored previously.[20:24] Yeah, completely. So in number seven of the overview at the beginning, it says Pfizer's clinical trial documents suggest that this mRNA vaccine ingredient that instructs for spike protein can be transferred from one person to another by skin to skin contact inhalation and sexual intercourse through bodily fluids.And it's this term that comes up called shedding, which again, we were told nonsense and that was completely dismissed.It's in these documents to say no this actually is correct.[21:03] Yes, it was definitely a concern for Pfizer during the trial.They had it in their protocols, like you said, about skin to skin, inhalation and through, bodily fluids, including sexual contact.And so they knew it was a risk and we're looking out for it.And yet anyone who says they've experienced side effects from being around the vaccinated maybe living in a home when you're not vaccinated but you have people living with you who are, told you know, no you're crazy, that's a conspiracy theory.Even now when you look it up it's fact-checked everywhere if you look up vaccine shedding.[21:48] But it is a real thing and they warned against it and tried to keep particularly men and women, women of childbearing age separated during the trial.
Again, looking at men and in section nine, it says Pfizer did not evaluate adverse vaccine adverse effects on male fertility during clinical trials because the company was in a rush.That is an indictment. Oh, tell us, again, I guess there is a rush to get to market. But male fertility, fertility is fairly essential to the human race and yet they just weren't in a rush to get to, market and make money.[22:35] That's what it seems like. Yes, they really didn't look into it and toxicity tests they did during the trial.They did look at how females were affected and they're looking at rats in this particular situation.But they didn't do any, if I recall correctly, toxology testing on the male rats that had been exposed.So they just really didn't look into it. And again, going back to what we talked about earlier, they ignored that it was collecting in the testes, which clearly also affects men's fertility.[23:15] Yeah, because of it's-
 
And also, yeah, I was just thinking about how, as you see in that one report, everything is affected in male fertility, like the sperm concentration, sperm motility, certain cells that are related to reproductive organs that would affect in particular like still developing boys and stuff.Yeah, there were lots of effects they didn't put forth to fully inform people.
There is another looking at heart issues, which again is a topic that's coming up more more. And then this in point 12, it states during the vaccine rollout in early 2021, cases of, Mari pericarditis, words none of us knew before, inflammation of the heart lining and muscle, still can't really say it, were reported to Pfizer one month before the emergency use authorization for teens was granted. So tell us, because we hear a lot about this issue of heart problems, especially amongst boys.[24:28] Yes, I mean, there have been so many things that have come out and they were reported.As you might see even in the news now, they always say it's very rare, nothing to worry about that these boys or other people that are affected are going to recover. But what you listen to when you or what you hear when you listen to very well-informed cardiologists, is that the heart doesn't recover from that when the heart is damaged, it's damaged and you can't make it better. And there were reports of myocarditis and pericarditis in the post marketing period also. And in another report that was recently done about cardiovascular issues, we saw that they didn't include myocarditis and pericarditis in the cardiovascularcategory, they instead put it in an immune mediated autoimmune category.So it didn't count as a cardiovascular event. Now I did look into it and there is such a thing as immune mediated.[25:39] Yeah, I was like, again, like you not catching the cases of those.But that's from what I read a much more rare event than what we see related to the vaccine with myopericarditis, pericarditis, myocarditis.And so it was really sort of deceptive to not include it under the cardiovascular adverse events.
When you kind of look through some of these and want to pick up a few more, but the issue on heart issues, because here in the UK and in Europe, one of the vaccines that was available was AstraZeneca.I don't think it was available over there in the States.But that was stopped because of concerns of effects on the heart.But yet you've got Pfizer seemingly also concerns, but nothing happened.I mean, when you kind of look back and assess that, how is it that you think that one was stopped because of concerns, but another one was just given free rein and seemed to be the FDA knew some of these as well?[26:49] Right, and we ran into that in the US, not with AstraZeneca like you said was here, but with Johnson & Johnson, J&J shot, or Janssen, it's also marketed under.And they did pull that one back and say there's problems associated with it, but then they left Pfizer and Moderna out there still running strong with known heart issues associated with it.And of course, I don't know the inner workings of how they made all of those decisions, but it almost seems like they decided we're going to sacrifice one of them and then just keep promoting these other ones.And it's been shocking to me that they have not stopped it for the heart reasons.Now they are admitting that there are some heart issues.Again, they continue saying it's rare, it's passing.[27:44] I don't know that that doesn't seem true to me, but you're right.They know, and they just keep them out there and haven't pulled them back yet.I can't believe it because in any prior years prior to COVID, they would have been pulled, long ago for those reasons.
Because the conversation I had with family friends was, well, what's the rush?It can take 10 years for a vaccine to be fully developed, to be tested.And this is a miracle, if miracles are possible in reducing that time scale.But obviously there was a push to respond to a supposed threat and that's why corners were cut.But when you kind of look through some of the corners that were cut, what do you think will happen to those companies who have done this?Because the information is getting out there and I've seen Ron Johnson's Senate hearings and highlighting what's happening.The information is out there.Is it just that the US have been waiting for a change in control of the house to actually do something or the media can place it. When you look at that whole area, what are your thoughts?[29:14] Well, it definitely helps to have Republicans in control to do some investigating.The mainstream media is extremely complicit.I really view them as having blood on their hands or just completely ignoring what's been going on or that this information is readily available and they could be reporting on it.At a different time, this would have been like the biggest story in the world if they, had pursued it, but they haven't pursued it.And because so many corners were cut, the clinical trials have really been happening, since the start of December, 2020, and it's in real time.And control groups have mostly been eliminated. They wanted to eliminate all of the controlled groups, the mandates, and trying to get everyone injected so that you couldn't see the difference.[30:13] I personally think that there's going to be a lot of long-term fallout.So we're seeing some relatively short-term fallout now a couple years' worth, but who knows what's gonna happen, say 10 years down the road, when adolescents and younger people who were injected with these vaccines are maybe ready to start having families, And there could be all kinds of fallout from that.They may not be able to have a family at all or have the size family they want with what we've seen with reproductive issues.[30:51] You mentioned about the trials and here it states Pfizer phase three trial in humans was supposed to compare the vaccine group against the control group.So one group received a placebo, the other group received a vaccine and you look at them. That was supposed to go for two full years, but Pfizer eliminated most of the control group after four months.I mean, tell us again, that's short circuiting the system, but tell us about that, about removing those kind of control groups.[31:25] Well, I actually spoke with somebody who is very familiar with, for example, the FDA space and clinical trials.And what she told me was that when there is something that's considered essentially an emergency situation, it's looked negatively upon to withhold a potential solution from, those who are being in who are in the placebo group and so your company is basically doing the right thing quote-unquote to give it to the people in the placebo group because you wouldn't want to leave them unprotected and I[32:09] feel like that's being disingenuous honestly you know it feels more like they were trying to eliminate the placebo group so that you didn't really have something to balance it against but that's the official line of why you can do something like that.[32:28] Official and unofficial.
 
Yeah.
Now in one of the reports that I'm looking at, I can't remember which one, but talked about[32:39] withholding drugs that may have been beneficial. I don't know whether that was, I'm trying to find I don't know whether that was either Ivermectin or others, but again, we were told that you, get the vaccine, that is your protection.It's nothing to do with lifestyle or exercise and certainly there's no other drugs in the market. You must get that. Talk about that. I think one of the reports refers to that.[33:09] Yes, one of the reports does refer to that and I also can't remember the name of that drug off the top of my head.I believe it starts with a P, but they did know that it offered really good protection, against like getting severe COVID and being able to do treatment.It's the same thing we've heard with ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.If there's alternatives out there, then they can't push their drug to that they want you to have because you might have access to these other ones.So they've been suppressed or, you know, just it's almost been whitewashed to like where, say where they don't work.These things don't work when we have so many studies that show that they actually do work really well against COVID.But of course, there's low profits in already existing drugs, especially if they've gone into generic.[34:06] Another reason for rolling it out to everyone as you mentioned profits, but there maybe are groups that didn't need it actually at all or were not at risk and that is of course children.And I saw the report and I missed it again, but looking at the rush and push to give it to children, that was a disconnect from them actually requiring protection from anything.[34:39] So I mean, just touch on that as well.
 
Yeah, there was never any evidence, in my opinion, that children needed anything to protect them from COVID-19 unless they had other are severely compromising comorbidities, then they might need some treatments.But as most of us have heard by now, children get COVID, they may not even know they have COVID.If they have it, it looks like a cold. And there certainly wasn't a need for them to have, a quote unquote vaccine against this.And yet I again think this is driven by profits. That was a new group that they could, essentially push this upon and make money off of giving it to them.And, you know, get it, at least here in the U.S., get it onto the childhood vaccine schedule has been part of the goal.And then it becomes almost required or in many states actually required because what's recommended is required to go into schools in a lot of the U.S. states.And it's been heart-breaking to see them do this and not only do it, but even suggest boosters for children.[35:57]completely. And of course, the reason why people were told they needed a vaccine, and I don't think you touch on it in this, but was because a test told them that they had COVID and therefore all these tests, which I think I read that there were two of the tests.I think in the UK there might have been 48 or 45 providers and I think two of them got, if I can remember right, two of them were based in two hotel rooms in Shanghai.The companies didn't exist four months before and I think the contracts were something like 50 and 60 million for each of them.But again, it goes back to the whole testing thing and I don't think that's something that's covered. But again, that's a huge failing. I mean, not necessarily connected with the report, but what are your thoughts on that? Because we were, I guess, told that many people had something simply because we were testing from a company that had never done these things before.[37:11] Yes, the PCR test, just such a nightmare how all of that has gone down.And even the person who invented those has come out and said they were being used in a way that they should not be used.And they set something called the cycle threshold at a number that was so high that it will detect like remnants of viruses that aren't even active anymore.And so you are getting back all these positive tests that are really false positives.And then, you know, the mass media is out there going cases, cases, cases and reporting that for at least a full year.And like you said, the tests are generally coming out of China.I did actually read a specific thing on the tests that were in Europe, that almost all of those were from China. And I mean, it's hard to trust somebody who is such an enemy of ours, that they would be putting forth something that is actually going to work correctly for us.And now, and at least in the US, that they've lowered cycle thresholds, You are getting nearly as many positives when they test people.But.[38:33] I just, I feel like that is one of the places we most went wrong was testing, testing, testing.[38:40] You know, most people wouldn't have even known they had it if they didn't get tested. And another example of that is all the people who went into the hospital, for example, you know, for surgery, or, you know, whatever happened, and they test them for COVID, they didn't have any idea they they had COVID and so then they become, they do have COVID, but they don't know it.And then they become a COVID case that can be counted and the ever growing pile of COVID cases and a COVID hospitalization case that they have to stay in the hospital for something.[39:16] Yeah, no, completely. Exactly the same here.There were just two other points I want to pick up and I really did want to give an overview many of the areas that it covers and the viewers, the listeners will be in no doubt that this is a publication that they do need to get and can just click that link in the description, whether they're watching the video or listening to the podcasting platforms, it is there for you to click on. Another one of the points was in September 2021, Pfizer and the the FDA did a bait and switch by licensing a version of Pfizer's vaccine called Comornity.And although they claimed the Pfizer emergency use authorization was interchangeable or, equivalent, Pfizer documents show that only approximately 4% of the EUA vaccine was interchangeable.So this seems that they went with the approval of one type of drug and then have something which is fairly different and yet carry over that approval which goes against everything the public would think that these regulatory authorities are there to do.[40:33] Yes, like you said, definitely a bait and switch. And the way it was presented to the public was just completely false as well, at least in the US.All we heard from mainstream media was that it's been fully approved.There's been a version of the Pfizer vaccine that's fully approved, we're good to go.And that's all people heard because they didn't drill down on these news programs and so forth about it, but the fully approved version has never been available in the US and, I'm not sure where it even is available. So when you would tell people, no it's not, we're still under emergency use authorization because that's all that's available in the US, a lot of people don't believe that because of what they've heard on the news. And so it was it was trickery, it was just outright trickery in my opinion on both the parts of the companies, the FDA as well as the media.[41:37] Absolutely. There was one thing which actually I hadn't come across until I read this and we'll kind of finish off in this point. And it says here that in point 13, it was Pfizer did not disclose, that its COVID-19 vaccine ingredients include microRNA. We've all heard of mRNA but microRNA, which was an important natural component of gene expression and regulation and are associated with many diseases as well as a person's immunity. And again, there was no assessment for something which was quite novel and new. That's again something none of us have heard of that we, are receiving and no assessment of the harm or otherwise of this.[42:28] And I do remember that report. Unfortunately, micro RNA is something I'm not very well informed about.[42:35] And I need to revisit that report to it was very technical, And well done by somebody who really knows it well, but,[42:46] like you said, it's another thing that wasn't fully disclosed and[42:51] there are published lists of what's that's allegedly in the vaccine, but I continue to hear that we still don't know everything that's in the vaccine, that that hasn't been fully released.I don't know which side is telling the truth, but I tend to believe the pharmaceutical industry is withholding some information.And yeah, it's interesting to read about things like the microRNA and there's another report on pseudo-uridine, I think it's called in here, that is another ingredient that nobody would be familiar with, but it's very impactful in what it can do and people need to be informed about it.[43:37] Wow. There's a lot in it. I think the whole area we haven't delved that deeply into is the whole attack on reproductive we've touched on a little bit. But Amy, just in closing, I ask you, when you looked through all of this, at the beginning, we were not aware of this information, this information then goes public.For you personally, as you've looked through this data and you see the completed product, what kind of sits out with you or has surprised you the most or shocked you?Just for you personally, what stuck out?
Well, one thing is just how much was known before or very early on and withheld from the public like we were talking about earlier.[44:31] I can't believe that uninformed or informed consent became uninformed consent and was just thrown to the side.And that was that's a tenant of medicine and it always has been and I feel like the people that were giving these injections knew that they didn't have the information to give to people.And so that's been horrifying for me, as well as what I see happening.Like you said, with reproduction, that's also been one of the most shocking things that impacts the whole world, you know, the whole population.And the fact that there was going to be all these effects on reproduction seems like it was handed out in the protocols as the clinical trials were being done.And then they definitely knew and had information in the post marketing period right after the rollout.And yet people were just completely left out of that.And I'm a mom. I have a college-aged daughter and I love her friends and stuff I've been around for years and I just wonder what's going to happen with all of them as the years go on.And of course with their male friends as well too.I'm horrified by[45:55] how the companies and our government and our public health officials have been willing to sacrifice, humanity for what appears to be greed and a certain narrative or control.And of course, that one of the other things that has really bothered me through all of this is how it was used to like mandate behaviour, and mandate what you put in your body, which I found horrifying to watch.So there's shocking stuff that comes out every day.We just recently had another report come out that during the post-marketing period, there were children that were 11 and younger that were injected down to age two months, which there's not anything approved for two months.And you just wonder how that happened and how people could be complicit in making that happen. So lots of shocking information in here.I think there's between all of these reports, there's something for everyone that's going to really make an impact on how they view what's happened to all of us.[47:11] Wow. Well, to our viewers and listeners, please do go to dailyclout.io. You can download it as a a PDF if you have a Kindle then that is it on Amazon and you can download from there.So very final thing, Amy, what's been, tell us the response because it's just out, I think the last time we had Naomi on was before Christmas and it hadn't come out yet. So for you having the product together, completed, blood, sweat and tears over it, it goes out. What has been the response after you've released it.[47:45] Oh, it's been overwhelmingly positive. We've had so much interest. There's been about 11,000 copies sold now between the PDF and what's on Amazon. And also, I don't know if you're aware of this, but we are going to be coming out with a paperback. And I expect that to be out in about two to three weeks. We'll definitely make announcements around that. We've had a lot of people say they'd like to have physical copies. It's been overwhelming and so many people seem[48:20] honestly kind of overjoyed at finally having access to the real information because there's so much documentation that the FDA has released the Pfizer documents and it's very dense and hard to read through so to have it in these digestible reports that are much easier for the lay person to read has been warmly received.
 
It's strange being overjoyed at bad news but truth has to get out and you're right the public need to be informed and these companies held to account.
Amy thank you for your time I really appreciate you coming along and sharing the book thank you so much.[48:58] Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
 
Not at all. Thank you.

Mark Steele - 5G: Safe and Effective or a Weapons System?

This is an interview we have wanted to do for a while now after falling down a rabbit hole while reading an Alex Jones article a few months ago asking whether 5G was a weapons system.The topic of 5G is widely regarded as a tin-foil hat, crackpot theory by many but after the last 3 years we have learned not to trust those in authority and to keep an open mind as those in governance are often the enemy. Mark Steele is a weapons expert who has previously worked on projects for the Ministry of Defence, specialising in directional weapons systems, electromagnetic radiation weapons, direct energy weapons, EMP’s, weather modification weapons and he never shies away from what he considers the big picture. In our discussion he looks at the roll out of 5G and asks the big question: Is 5G safe and effective or is it a weapons system? It is all food for thought, be receptive to new ideas, never be afraid of asking the question and be ready for an answer that you don't always expect.Mark Steele is a British engineer, inventor, patent writer and weapons research scientist; an engineer with a materials science background, and inventor of the world’s first binocular optical wave guides, weapons sight systems, infrared thermal imaging head up displays, molecular reactors, signal processing, and transducer design, to name a limited few.As Chief Technology Officer (CTO) at the company that designed and brought to market the world’s first internationally approved head up display (HUD) product, accredited with a number of innovation awards, but more importantly regulated to a number of internationally recognized standards, including (DOT) Department of Transport ECE 22.05, as well as ANSI and others, he was relied upon in the establishment of international standards for augmented reality (AR) and virtual reality (VR) HUD systems.Mark's involvement with several research and development projects spans his entire working career and includes some of a sensitive nature due to Official Secrets Act 1911 restrictions and therefore he is not at liberty to disclose these in a public domain; suffice to say this work has led to an understanding of Department of Defense (DOD) contracts, the compartmentalization of weapon product design projects, and Directed Energy Weapons (DEW), whose existence has until recently been obscured and sometimes denied.For more information.....https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/Interview recorded 30.1.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview on a completely different topic. Mark Steele is about to join us and it is on 5G, whether it's damaging, dangerous, unsafe. It's a topicthat's come up a lot and Mark Steele is certainly a name that always pops up when you look at this issue. He has worked on this, studied this for a long time, the dangers of electromagnetic radiation generally and 5G and the negative aspect of that, whether it's planned or not,whether it's a kill weapon. I've heard that phrase used. Actually that phrase I think I read from Alex Jones last year where Alex Jones leads, I think we all follow eventually. That's onething I've learned. But over the last three years, I think we've called into question so many things and 5G I think fits into that box of things that some of us have begun to question.When we're told the vaccines are safe and effective, I think we can ask same about 5G. Is that safe and effective as well? So the same question.[1:24] Great conversation with Mark. We talked all about his background, looked at the 5G rollout, looked at why it's dangerous, looked at how it can be used.A lot in, in 45 minutes. We could have gone a lot longer, but it is a big subject and it's good to, I think, keep it short, certainly for the first time.So I know you'll enjoy Mark Steele immensely. So here he is.
 
It's wonderful to have Mark Steele with us to unpack this. Mark, thank you for your time today.[1:55] Thanks Pete, that's just great to be on eventually so we can get the information about what's really going on.
I'm here now, the privilege of meeting Mark back end of last year and I kept meaning to come back to him and arrange a time to come on and hadn't and it was actually a friend over in the US had sent me an article on 5G and Mark's name was mentioned and I remembered I needTo get Mark on. So great to have you on. SaveUsNow.org.uk, you're very much involved in that.Actually, it's a political party, but there's a lot of information there as well. Do you want to maybe introduce yourself and touch on Save Us Now as well?[2:41] All right. Well, I've got a background, an engineering background. I'm an inventor, a patent writer and I've been involved in a number of projects over many, many years. I've spent well over.You know, 35 years in research and development, I've developed my own products, I've brought them to market. So I understand the, you know, the different types of, you know, how you go abouttaking something as an invention and then actually bring it to market. So through international standards, etc., all products have and are required to fit within some type of standardized regime.For safety. So you can't just be you know manufacturing things and send them across the world and them not being able to be safe to customers because obviously you're going to end up in a bit of trouble there.And what we've found is[3:34] A lot of this technology, they call it killer tech for a reason. Pretty lethal. I got myself exercised about the virtual reality headsets, you know, the VR headsets.I mean, how they got away with that, I'm not really sure how that's even trying to get away with it or even thinking that they can continue getting away with it.Not only does it make you sick, that optical radiation is extremely problematic.You kind of just, you know, focus optical radiation in people's eyes, but that's it. It's a whole other story to 5G. but it is interconnected.You know, the whole virtual world, this whole cloud computing network.[4:11] And what we did, I found in the early part of 2016, my local council had fitted LED streetlights with these antennas where they were spraying a lot of radiation, basically a spine piece of equipment,5Gs for back holing data out of its environment.Okay, so it basically just data scavengers and it's something that your local council want to sell to the highest bidder.Now, some of this equipment can actually listen to what people are saying.You know, you can actually pick up sound audio with them, some of it's urban radar.The really concerning bit, the equipment that we had in the Gateshead area, it had a dialectic, it was a high gain dialectic lens.Now that then, it's a whole other ball game.That allows me to target acquire and possibly do some serious damage or even kill somebody. These electromagnetic radiation weapons programs are working to seek weapons facility in the 80s.So understand about electromagnetic radiation, what we call direct energy in air, direct energy weapons.[5:18] They're lethal, all right. We know that because the Havana syndrome.Now governments have always tried to pretend that these pieces of equipment don't exist because they use them against dissidents.They've used them, you know what I mean? If you listen to Barry Trav, I'll tell you about the weapons that were used against, you know, dissidents in Ireland.Anybody who they don't like the look of, they can basically sit outside your home and pour this radiation into your home and cause you to have a neurological breakdown and actually cause physiological brain damage.So you can actually, you can actually, you can visit this, you can see it. And that's what we found in the Havana syndrome attack where there was a lot of misinformation being put out at first about it being an ultrasound weapon.I can tell you now these microwave radiation weapons are far more sophisticated.[6:13] Ultrasound is very helpful if it's for subsea, it's a far better medium to travel sound waves in and especially at distance.So you would use it if you're in air, you're gonna use a microwave radiation type weapon system. So we knew it was a microwave radiation weapon and what happened, the US government have had admit now.That the injuries that the embassy staff suffered were from microwave radiation because they're getting compensation for it.It was something they didn't wanna go there. These weapons systems have been around for 40s. The Germans were testing directional weapon systems on camp inmates.That technology went under operation, paperclip to the US. They then just kept on developing it.And some of this equipment is extremely, extremely sophisticated, far more advanced than what a lot of people would like to imagine.And you just don't see it because it's like I said, that's secret programs. Now, the Gateshead area, I spoke to the council, I spoke to a number of councillors and new councillors, so I spoke and I went to the council.[7:24] Which I explained my concerns about this particular type of technology.It was all just a little bit over the top of their heads. And I think deliberately, you know, these people are wilfully ignorant to this type of technology.[7:38] I explained how dangerous it potentially could be, how a great security risk it is, how these systems can be hacked into. I know the operating platform, the equipment that actually installed was already accessible by anybody.So this kit could be used for spying on the public, basically urban radar, it can also listen in on equipment in your home. And it was all part of this 5G network.[8:08] Local council denied it was 5G. They said it was some 2G piece of equipment anyway, I then didn't get anywhere with the council. That's why we set up the save us now movement.And it was to give us some political cover because there is an element of protection.[8:25] Especially, you know, I'm telling people the equipment that they're gonna install is gonna kill you I'm telling people exactly what we're now know to be true because in[8:33] 2018 when they took me to court, they took us to court to gag me. They had to gag us. What they said was I was frightening people in the locality by telling people that they would die from thisequipment that had been installed. Unfortunately at the time we only had a small increase, you know probably one two percent increase in heart attacks, two or three percent increase in stroke, which issignificant but not significant enough for you know for you to really you know get to the bottom of it and but unfortunately now we've got near 20 and 30 percent increases and week on weekwe're seeing an extra thousand people in the UK die and I can guarantee you this is the contaminated bio weapon which they call a vaccine and I know all about that program for tracking where on the battlefield,and it's interconnected with the 5G network but it they haven't weaponized it as a weapon yet because you you will see people when they weaponize this technology you'll see people just basically causing a tonic seizure and collapsing in the street. I haven't seen any videos of that in the UK. I saw quite a few of the tests of it in Wuhan and we've seen some from around the rest of the world. Now I know this might sound very very unbelievable and that's why I tellpeople that do your own research don't take my word for it. The council took me to court and[10:02] they said I was a conspiracy theorist, I was frightening vulnerable people and it was amazing that people actually believed me. However the problem that I had they had actually you know they put a lot of media coverage out, they took press releases out that went internationally,they were totally falsified, they were fabricated pieces of information and basically a criminal conspiracy to cover this whole thing up because what we had at the time in Gateshead was we had a large number of women losing babies in the full term had already measured the radiation levels in a number of people's bedrooms where we're getting lots of complaints so we had the actual evidence of this radiation impact and that radiation people have to always understand its accumulative overtime. So even though that's smaller amounts, you know, it's not as powerful as an x-ray,this radiation accumulates. So the more that you get, the more biological damage over time.It's how we get skin cancer.[11:03] Skin cancer occurs in people with you know poor diet etc but skin cancer occurs on people who continually go into the sun. So it's an accumulative radiation that's non-ionizing radiation and that's man that's natural occurring not man-made.Man-made something completely more toxic whereas you've got an immersive non-ionizing radiation emission from the sun that will give you skin cancer by the way even though they'll tell you you know these non-ionizing radiation emissions are perfectly safe however that's natural occurring it's immersive and weare symbiotic with natural occurring non-ionizing radiation we're symbiotic with it this man made something completely different it's toxic due to the square waves z-waves and the data packets thatare actually embedded in it, it brings it in this whole toxicity thing.[12:05] Can I just step back slightly because for me certainly, I think over the last three years during the pandemic, that a lot of people have begun to question a lot and I think it's intothat kind of reassessing our relationship between the authorities, the institutions and those we trusted.And I think when you come to this, we're told, don't worry, something is safe.Well, that doesn't mean it's safe. I'm going to question it. But for you, I mean, was there a point, was there something you read?Was it just a build-up of your knowledge and understanding that made you begin to question specifically on the 5G issue?
Well I always knew that you know this type of radiation causes pneumonia type symptoms so you know you'll get flu type symptoms viruses are inactive here what a doctor will exhibit you go to the doctors let's say you've got Epstein-Barr virus.[13:07] Now he's going to tell you you've got a virus what I'm going to tell you is you've been hit with a 50 hertz frequency which exhibits to the medical community as a virus most viruses, pneumonia, all these different, you know[13:22] Let's say medical conditions can be you know can be looked at there's some environmental pollutant that's actually caused them and obviously electromagnetic radiation man-made in particular.Is that pollution it's why a lot of people go in the sun you know when you go in the sun you get herpes simplex virus well it's basically just radiation pollution that comes out it's the bodytry to get it rid of this you know this pollutant that you've your body's absorbed you probably had too much and that's why you get people who go you know they go skiing and they end up getting their cold sores and how they get the cold sores obviously you've got a lot of light there but it's also reflecting on the snow and then bouncing back up into the face that's how you sometimes get a nice sun tan at the same time when you're skiing,So it's all electromagnetic radiation.So when the whole 5G thing and the whole coronavirus, corona is an electrical discharge by the way, on a 5G mask.So I mean, I'm not saying that that's, I think it's just people, you know, it's a bit like a corona from the sun, electromagnetic radiation emissions from the sun are called corona as well.So these radiation emissions cause all of the known symptoms that we saw exhibited with coronavirus.[14:47] But one of the things that we were alerted to early on was the flu vaccines and how the flu vaccines had been contaminated with tungsten was the main contaminant.Now, if I fill a body with tungsten, used tungsten in the filament for a reason. Okay. If I fill a body full of nano particulates.And tungsten is the main ingredient has no pharmacological reason why it would be in a vaccine.[15:17] And but if I hit that with a modulated frequency from any network you know wouldn't have to be 5G I mean obviously 5G is a lot more powerful it's a lot more focused so consequently it's going topose a significantly larger risk to people who've had the flu vaccine they're possibly going to get very sick and could possibly die and we know that there was corona type symptoms that medics were you know they were recognizing that these symptoms were right away 2019 well lo and behold 2019 was one of the main switch-ups for 5G.We were a test bed, Gateshead was a test bed, Bristol, Rotherham, there was other areas in the country so it's not an exhaustive list where these technologies were being tested. Anyway, we're going to the we get to the cold case.[16:11] When the council tried to gag us and unfortunately it was the biggest mistake they ever made because we got into the court and basically after they basically fabricated most of the evidencethey lied, fortunately had a police officer who was actually at that court case who told the truth they said I've made threats to kill several of them had and there was a police officer who wasactually in ear shot and he was one of the first witnesses on the stand and I made it quite clear about this threat to kill narrative and he said look Mr Steele I was you know Ididn't hear you threaten to kill anybody so I had one honest police officer who saved me from you know some possible other very serious charges of threatsto kill against the council the mayor, the mayor said you know I basically threatened her in the council chamber it's totally false, chief executive saidwent in the attacked in the council chamber that was totally false. Unfortunately you talk about serendipity there was a there was a chap who was actually in the public gallery a guy called StephenPreston he videotaped the whole thing so they'd basically lying in their statements and this video then pops up, judges watching it and he goes well come on Mr Steele how many times have you beento Gateshead council he's thinking this is a different time and I go once and he's[17:41] like you can see the judge totally dumbfounded so he's got these statements from the executive and the mayor saying I basically went to attack them and theyhad to eject us from the building and have us wrestle over the bill I mean you want to you talk about making stuff up I mean these people are just pathological liars but I mean politicians are, let's be honest.They've just proven themselves to be pathologicalized. I think we've got, you know, later, Sir Christopher Chew up probably a handful of conservatives, you know.[18:15] Bridgen who's doing a fantastic job, we've got some great MPs in there, I'll tell you what, we need a lot more because if this whole thing carries on it's going to be horrendous and.Like I said at that particular court case this equipment will kill and they won't be able to cover up the body count and that's exactly what we're seeing now. I did predict what was going to happen.[18:38] Let me put, because I think there are two separate things in my mind and I know I think I saw a similar statement from Alex Jones last year talking about people living close to 5G kill grids are going to die from cancer.I think we've all learned that Alex Jones could be called a prophet because a lot of what he says has come true.But there are two separate things. One is technology that has been used and with a rush to market, with a rush to making money, you have side effects. Another side is actually this is targeted for killing.[19:18] But on the danger side, because obviously you've got the electromagnetic spectrum, you've got x-rays, you've got microwaves, which can be very harmful if it's low burst.You've then got radio waves, which aren't harmful. Now you've got 5G, which we are told is not harmful, completely benign.But you're saying that part of the electromagnetic spectrum is extremely harmful. What is it about 5G? Is it because there's just going to be towers everywhere, that everyone's using it? Is it the widespread abuse? Is it targeted?Tell us specifically on that.
It's well there's two elements to it there's two technical parameters for 5G one's densification so let's say I had a large 2/3G network okay it could let's say be a telecare so a medical network I'll stick on every single on every single chimney pot and all of a sudden I've created a 5g network because 5g is about mesh networks and it's about densification now the densification the more radiation, the more toxic itis. That's how I know that that particular part of 5G, the densification is a weapon.[20:32] It's a weaponized part of it. The other specific, the other specific technical parameter of 5G is the focusing of radiation in air. So that can cause, there's a number of different antennas,phased arrays, one of the main ones where you have a number of different elements, you offset the signal and you cause a beam wave, a lobe of radiation in a densely packed field.And consequently and that's what they use for you know these active denial systems, they use a focused beam at the target, that's what 5G is. 5G is that equipment, it's the same equipment,However, the military will tell you that it's non lethal. That's absolute garbage. These are lethal technologies.I've got the pictures I can show you some of the victims. They're not.They're not healthy at all Uh, basically I'm gonna cook you to death. I mean some of these 5G mass. I mean we got some stuff.[21:35] Some antenna design 160 000 watts so you've got a thousand watts microwave cooker, are these can beamhundreds of thousands of watts and I mean we've got one piece of intelligence which shows it an antenna that can emit a 386 thousand watt beam in the main lobe at a target now. That's not going to cook a person That's just going to knock the house down.[22:02] so this equipment now one of the really interesting things if you look at the Microsoft.[22:11] Microsoft patents They've got patterns for delivering a cryptocurrency on bodily activity.Now we've already done the magnetiser's test, we've got guys across the country who are going out testing people near their magnets to show that they've got a magnetic field emission in the Deltoid.This is the people who, it's stable in the Deltoid. Some people that didn't aspirate the syringe consequently that, you know, they might just,could drop down dead immediately. It's where the nano particulates have migrated across the body.[22:50] But the real purpose of that COVID-19 injection is so they can inject a stable antenna in the deltoid, that can track you and it's all interconnected with Microsoft, the Azure,right, which is their 5G cloud computing piece of kit.It's all interconnected with the masts that they've attached to your street lights. So the street light furniture, Telenza,one of the main ones who are working with Microsoft to create this cloud computing system so they can analyse the data locally.[23:30] They can then harvest all that data back. The local authorities see you're their property so they're going to they're going to sell that data because obviously they can hear you they can see where your car's parked if your car's parked on a double yellow it'll get an automatic fine. They'llnot need traffic warnings to go out because obviously the urban radar can scan everything in real time and it can actually create this data that the council then sanction you if you put the wrong piece of material in a bin so they can monitor it smart bins they can see whether it's[24:06] if it's being recycled properly if it's not then you get another sanction this is what it's all about and also using goods in your home when you finish with your last tin of beans you put it in the bin and the next minute it up pops an advert for special offer for beans as that whoever whoeverthe high bidder. This is the technology that they're proposing what they haven't taken into consideration, the health effects. The health effects will kill are killing, we're seeing closeto three and a half thousand extra dead, four thousand extra dead over a five year and the five year average has been pretty big because it's been through a pandemic where unfortunately people whenthey switched this 5G on a lot of people who had had this these flu jabs were just dropping down dead, you know getting pneumonia type symptoms, basically it enhances the radiation that they were being bombarded with from the 5G switch on. So the whole thing's interconnected. Now I'm pretty sure behind the scenes is some very very nefarious activity going on because why would anybody want to putuh, nano-particulates into flu vaccines. there's no purpose for it. It was done deliberately, nefariously, and it was a malicious attack to create[25:27] this COVID-19 plandemic, and then what happens, they can then, they've come in with all of these control measures, you know, that, that central bank digitalcurrency, uh, you know, new type of digital passport, the digital prison, the whole digital prison warfare, your local councils have beenweaponized against their own populations. The trouble is with your local council, they're full of very, very thick people who want to try and encourage you to get into an electric car thatwill give you leukaemia and sterilize your children. But you see, they're that dim, they don't understand the mechanics what the real plan is depopulation and to steal all private wealth andall private industry private wealth so you've got councils now shutting down their local areas so traffic can't get down there private businesses then go bankrupt council gets into more and more debt because got more and more sick people got to remember since the switch on in 2019.They've actually added another half a million people to the full-time sickness register they've they've killed a few hundred thousand by the way,but they've already added another half a million to full-time sick.Now, anybody that understands the sickness claim issue at the minute, it's extremely difficult. I mean, I know a guy, he was smashed up in a car crash in 1976.[26:55] He has one of these disability scooters, drives around, has loads of health issues.[27:03] They actually signed them off just about six months ago and the reason for that is because you could actually go into the assessment, you can speak and you can get in front of a computerand you can use a computer because his hands are fine, you just can't walk around. So this is the type of activity and so if you think about sort of actually had to add another half a millionto those claimants that impacts on the local authority, it impacts on the local services,which and we can show that this radiation which does increase Parkinson's risk, cancer risk, diabetes, Crohn's disease, all these ailments, theseneurological damage, mental health problems, anxiety, suicide rates, stratospheric. You know I mean the Gateshead Council, it was so bad in Gateshead that whatthey did that carried out the study they've got a number of the institutions up here local universities to do a study and they came back and said it was universal credit that had caused this massive increase in in suicide however.[28:13] Bristol University had it was catastrophic, Bristol where students were committing suicide they weren't on universal credit so the whole narrative was that falsified and fabricated this.It was very similar to, there was a group set up in Sheffield and it was a Save Sheffield Trees Action Group.[28:39] Anybody in that group that mentioned, because obviously Amy who had the 5G contract to put this equipment into the street furniture, they had to chop down all the trees, large number of trees.Anywhere they found out there's somebody, a whistle-blower, the council wouldn't release the commercial contract and anyway, whistle-blower did release it.And they plan had chopped down 30,000 trees in the city so they could access this 5G network. Now, 5G in a sub gigahertz range can travel through trees.Not a problem, okay?The issue that you've got is when the trees get wet. if I was to pull what's called an EMP, electromagnetic pulse weapon, that would then cause you cause you problem but also the thing with trees they keep the cities cool and the whole point of climate change, I mean in Birmingham, I'm going to Birmingham, if anybody's in the area I'll be doing a talk on this on the seventh and I'm in court on the eighth, it's an online hearing but I have to be in Birmingham because of court.Well I'll be with the guy down there who's suffering absolutely horrendous,[29:55] like physical damage, psychological damage, burns skin burns off the radiation. He's EMF sensitive and obviously he gets rashes, burns, lots and lots of trouble with his body from this radiationpollution. Birmingham City Council have fitted 107,000 of these 100 milliwatt transmitters to every single streetlight. It's a legal urban radar network. It scans people's rooms, back holes allthe data. I don't know what collection cloud services they're using, but we'll probably find out. But this illegal urban radar, it's a total invasion of your privacy. Nobody warned you about it. Nobody told you anything about it. But these are a hundred thousand now. They'll tell you that,you know that equipment in if it's ignorant guidelines they only talk about one and not talking about a hundred and seven thousand you've got the multiplication of all these transmitters in a small environment and what happens this microwave radiation and those numbers a one milliwatt emission will cause a temperature increase okay so you'll get a thermal you'd actually feel it at 1 milliwatt[31:10] These are 100 milliwatt each and there's 107,000 of them and they're going oh the cities are getting warmer I wonder why I wonder why the cities are getting warmer and that's not the main the mainreason why climate change is happening that ionospheric radiate has where in the chem trail and where the chem trail in the sky and the bounce now that was over the horizon radar systems which Iknow quite a bit about and it's quite interesting a lot of these technologies are battlefield derivedweapon systems and they're coming to a town near you. I said they've weaponized your local council to do you harmwhich is in breach of the terrorism laws because it's a political agenda. The whole climate thing is a fraud. It's a total fraud, it's a total nonsense, a hoax just like that plandemic and what they're doing they're going to they're going to use that climate change narrative.[32:03] To force you into an electric car to sterilize you to give you leukaemia, sterilize your kids, they're putting radar, urban radar up which will now cause us cancer.So you've got ubiquitous amounts of emissions, urban radar, absolutely lethal where they're scanning the environment. Then you've got these urban radar transmitters on the street lights, 107,000 just in Birmingham. You've got this, all the smart meters, if anybody's got a smart meter, get it removed, it's all about control, it's not about you, it's so that they can control and switch you off whenever they want. Or they're going to actually burn your appliances out.All the appliances in your home now think about it, you've got a local authority right somebody gets on the phone and goes oh listen we've got a hundred thousand of these new LED tv. all of a sudden.[32:57] you wake up the next morning your led tv is broken and you've got to go and buy another one and they've just sold the advert on your smart and another smart tv you have in the house you see.The advert pop off special offer led I mean honestly this is exactly where they're going with this We, you know, this is the hill we're going to have to die on.[33:17] Can I take it? Cause I want to pick up on it being military technology because most of us have no idea what is actually developed and the public get to know decades later.But you've kind of got two groups of people. You've got bad actors and you've got useful idiots and both of those groups need to work together to prove something.When you look at the companies that are ruling this out, they are simply, I'm assuming, looking at making a large profit, getting market share. And that's what it's about to the shareholders. So when you've got a mobile phone company pushing a 5G network, pushing 5G phones, it's about making as much money for the shareholders.So are they simply useful idiots in this?[34:09] Absolutely, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Useful idiots, that's all they are.And your local councils, you see, one of the things with telecommunications networks, these mesh networks, first and foremost, the telecommunications act in Europe states they have to do these EIAs, these are environmental impact analysis.They haven't done that. You've got your local council allowing 5G, this large, the larger masts, allowing 5G masts to be installed.That's the government have told them, they've got to follow the guidance and not assess the environmental impact, not allowed to.So the councils are just doing as they're told, but they're in breach of the 2012 Social Care Act, which says your government and your local authority,the director for public health and your local authority in particular, has a duty to protect the health of the local population.So they're breaking the primary legislation so that they can follow some guidance because some twang in some government agency said.[35:12] Oh, by the way, when we do planning, we'll give them basic planning approval, but what we can't do, we're not allowed to look at health effects.That is just absolute, we can't look at the environmental impact.We can't, all we can do is look at the aesthetics. So if it doesn't look very nice, right? We'll put a big tower up, it doesn't look very nice, then you can object, but you can't object to it killing you, destroying the environment.Can't do anything and what you definitely can't do is look at the power output.[35:42] Councils have been given self-certification from the installers. All the installers we came across are empty vessels so that companies who don't have any assets or if there was any harm.[35:55] The equipment's uninsurable for harm. The tower itself is uninsurable from a fatigue mechanics perspective so it could topple on top of you they're not insured okay they're not insured so.There's no insurance they've just put this stuff in it's not tested to be safe it couldn't have been tested to be safe because if I tested it it would fail and that's why they never tested 5Gall the other communications networks your 4Gs 3Gs 2Gs 1G they were all tested for safety and that's why your first telecommunications masts got a fence round.But you see that antenna operates on inverse square law so you only have to be a few meters away from it and the radiation drops off significantly. I mean I wouldn't like to sit next to one for a long time.But you've got to remember you're driving past these, you're walking past them, you're only immersed in it in a few minutes and then all of a sudden the radiation drops off significantly.[36:51] What actually happened with 5G, they're putting masts on your streets, next to your schools, next to hospitals on top of hospitals. I mean there's one really interesting thing about UK hospitals youknow with the concrete buildings and the fabric of the building is actually starting to degrade to such a degree where they're worried that the roofs are going to fall in. Well if I pulse modulate[37:15] materials like with this energy because you know denser materials you're pulse modulating that energy's got to go somewhere and it can fracture materials like concrete, steel can allbe disassociated at specific pulse modulating frequencies that's how some of the vaporizing type of technology the weapons bits right they'd get really interesting as was so in 9-11 when the.Whole building just basically disappeared away across manhattan just blew away i mean that was that was quite interesting um i mean obviously they did use uh you know they did use normalexplosives but the more interesting part of that particular attack was the way just vaporized the building. That's the weapon I was invested in.[38:02] Tell us more about, because as this is rolled out, you see it in some countries being rolled out.I think South Korea might have been one of the first countries to have a network.What kind of data are you looking at? Because you're looking at data of the impact of the 5G electromagnetic waves. You can, I guess, test that.It's rolled out into a population. So how does that work? Because I guess whenever you see medical issues like cancer, we're all told cancer is going up, that seems to be linked to peoplegetting a jab. So that's a separate story. But changes in medical numbers, changes in cancer rates. How do you kind of analyse that and connect that back to 5G?[39:02] Well, there's a six sigma event, what happened in 2019, where the half a million people added to the sickness benefit. And it's specifically in and around the time when the 5G network was actually installed. radiation is an environmental pollutant. If I bring an environmental pollutant into anenvironment that all of a sudden a lot of people start getting cancer, the cancer rates and thereason why they're interconnected with the jab, the jab's full of nanoparticular contaminants.[39:32] If I then put the, when I vibrate that radiation at you and especially in the blanket coverage, which is the sub gigahertz frequency, travel straight through the body, but it has an effect.On those nanoparticulates because they then catch that radiation, they vibrate them and we can, you know if you look at explosives right,high-powered explosives on the battlefield create nano particulates. Now where soldiers you know get these you know I've got anumber of the you know these documents where post mortem you know people that have cancer in thekidney or the liver whatever and when they've actually you know done a biopsy looked at the soo-lec or microscopes they'veactually found that they what caused this cancer causing event is some nano particulates, so troops suffer it, you know, whether dealing with high explosives because you do create these nanoparticles. Nano particulates cause sterilization.[40:35] Why anybody want to be injecting anybody with any is just beyond, well it's not beyond our comprehension. We know they have a depopulation plan, we know they're attacking the West inparticular. It's all about, you know, depopulation, taking your money. If you understand the World Economic Forum, right, an international terrorism organization, right, who you've got most of your people in cabinets across the country, across the world, they're all involved with the WAF, the WAF,unfortunately are planning your death. They've got a plan in place, they're coming for you, fortunately, the whole thing seem to be falling a bit for them because unfortunately they didn't stabilize,the antenna in the deltoid due to rushing the technology getting people in check people not aspirating the syringe and consequently people dropping down dead immediately a lot of people thought uh yeah I'll not be having that so there's an awful lot of people haven't had the shot.Now, they have to come back.[41:35] And bring that again. Until you get every single person with that vaccine in them, their real life is totally at risk and that's the this is the problem. They're going to lock you down inthese digital cities, digital prisons, whether it be food supply or that and then they'll come along go you've got to take that. They have to get the tens of millions of people who haven't had it.[42:00] They have to get them vaccinated. So what I'm going to say to people is we are our adversary as a structured weaponized system against us we need to have a structured response toIt see I hear all of there's enough of us make no mistake about it what we don't have we don't have enough unity and the reason for that we've got a lot of state actors embedded in the movement. What I'm going to say is people, I always like to test them out very quickly,ask them some simple questions. Is 5G safe? Is it a weapon system? As soon as they go.[42:36] It's all, it's well, you know, that, that, and you, even if they're just ignorant, you don't want them about. If they tell you the vaccine's a vaccine or a biochemical weapon, we've got allthe data on that. I mean, Dr. David Martin does a fantastic job, not the only one, but does a fantastic job in identifying all the patents. In Bill Gates's patent, the antenna they've injected,into you that he's had a great deal of input into and bunged up all the different institutions to tell you that it's safe and effective. That antenna specifically so he can create a cryptocurrency.On your physical activity. That's what he's really after and he's put it in this Azure net with Azure.It's a Microsoft cloud platform so it'll be able to see you walking along the street from those transmitters on the top of the street lights so it's watching you and all of a sudden he's building a cryptocurrency on the back of it that's really where they're going, what he didn't know well.He probably did it's going to kill the larger proportion of the population so he ain't gonna get much on his cryptocurrency and at this rate we're seeing as of December I said it[43:48] early on the bio weapons got a two-year fuse for 24 months so it was the 8th of December in 2020 when they started the vaccines we're now starting to see as of December just gone.We're starting to see another thousand plus people every single week added to the kill rate.[44:10] If that carries on to the summer you know at the back end it's you're going to be there's going to to be 50,000 extra deaths per week in the UK and they've already killed them.[44:23] You know the fact that they've had that shot put in them. Now there is ways to mitigate it. If anybody's listening to this, you've had the vaccine, make no mistake about it, there is an antidote,get in touch. The greatest power to you is getting 5G stopped. I mean that 5G network, especially in the streetlights, can target acquire you and can eliminate you causing the atonic seizure. I just take you with an 868 pulse and that's it. You're dead.[44:51] Then I mean yeah if you've got somebody there who can start you back up you know if you've got a defibrillator on that then maybe you do have a chance. However if there's nobody about who knows how to use that equipment bringing your back round is going to be a problem.[45:05] Just to finish off, that connection between 5G and the mRNA vaccine and with them working together, I remember the first time I had Kate Shemirani on and she started talking about this.This was early on.I didn't know what to do with that conversation because it was just, wow. I think you learn things, you assess what's happening, you become more aware.But tell us more about, as we finish, that link between those two, because what you're saying the 5G masts can cause damage by themselves, but with what's in the mRNA, that that is actually helping it or affecting it in some way.So can we finish off on that?[45:57] You've got leakage of the mRNA, so if you've got these nanoparticles around the body and it's leaked into the body, then obviously the electromagnetic radiation pollution is going to be problematic to you. It just increases the toxicity because the nanoparticles they like sort of reflect.[46:12] They'll modulate at the frequency and what they'll do is they'll damage the cells, you get oxidative stress which is precursor to cancer. That's how you're getting people who are currently developing stage four, they're not even going to stage one, they're going to the doctors, they're not well,they get stage four and they're dead within months. That's what's happening.The other people where it's been stabilized in the deltoid it needs to be removed and we're looking at ways to get it removed but what I'm going to say to people get an ADM magnet, powerful earth magnet they're not expensive, test yourself in and around your deltoid if you get an attachment.Right get in touch with us we'll then put you on a protocol but what we'll do is we'll then goand take action. We need people, there's 30-40 million people in this country who are victims of a crime, they need justice and the sooner they start waking up to what's happened to them.And stop trying to pretend that you know it's something they just want to bury their head in, the only thing they're going to be buried in is in a coffin, right. They don't stop this 5G network,it's planning to kill them and the only thing that stopped it, this war in Ukraine could go hot.If it does, they need a civilian population. It's probably one of the reasons why they've held off.[47:27] Yeah. Mark, I appreciate your time. I'm glad that we got this sorted out eventually.Thank you for coming along and sharing your findings, your understanding, perspective on this. It's been fascinating. So thank you for your time today.
Thanks, Peter. I was pleased to be on.

The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Very excited for this one! Joining us this week on our regular irruption into the news, stories, headlines and social media is Lewis Brackpool.Lewis burst on to the alternative news scene with Rebel News and is now strengthening an already stellar line up at Ickonic Media, delivering more honest journalism and quality reporting skills whether it be documentaries, field reporting or writing, and this episode we take a deep dive into some of his recent articles. So as an advocate of free speech, we look forward to hearing Lewis' musings on this weeks topics including....- US secretary of state postpones China visit after spy balloon fiasco.- Nonce and former pop star Gary Glitter is released from prison.- Mother suing school who forced her 4-year-old to take part in a gay pride parade.- Climate propaganda in British schools funded by elite billionaire foundations.- Doctors suggest cutting the use of anaesthesia to “save the planet”.- Whitehall's Ministry of Truth: Secretive Whitehall units have been recording political dissent on social media. - The absolute state of CNN, reporting that black police officers involved in the heinous Tyre Nichols case might of been driven by racism.- Andrew Bridgen to sue 'Midazolam Matt Hancock' over criticism of Covid vaccine remarks.Lewis Brackpool is an independent journalist, broadcaster, commentator and a reporter for Ickonic media. His writing focus is politics, freedom of speech, news and current affairs.Here he discusses his journey into journalism."I’ve been in the alternative media for a couple of years. I was previously with another company, a Canadian-based company called Rebel News. I started there after being made redundant from my previous job as a flight attendant - or a ‘trolley dolly’ as they say!After that, I thought, ‘Right, I want to get back into politics’. I used to study it for a bit, but my views were completely different to what we were being taught back in the days of 6th Form, with all the programming that they were pushing on people, so I decided to make a YouTube channel.I did that for a year, built up some contacts, networked, really pushed out my viewpoint on various subjects, and then applied for a course to report on Rebel News." Now Lewis has joined the fantastic team at Ickonic Media and will continue to bring uncensored, unbiased and unique information in his own imitable style. Connect with Lewis.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/lewis_brackpoolTWITTER: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool?s=20&t=ugH3aHz8n6Su4agPZJouqQTELEGRAM: https://t.me/lewisbrackpool ICKONIC: https://www.ickonic.com/ Originally broadcast live 4.2.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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