Hearts of Oak Podcast

Dr David Cartland - NHS Silencing Whistleblowers: Is the GMC Fit for Purpose?

Show notes and Transcript...
Dr David Cartland joins Hearts of Oak once again to discuss his ongoing battles as a wide awake doctor. For over 2 years he has had to fight, not only for his credibility in the NHS but for his continued employment. He shares his ongoing battle with the GMC (General Medical Council) who seek to destroy GP's on the basis of random complaints about their social media posts. In the middle of this skirmish, David finds himself 'persona non grata' and struggles to find locum jobs as a doctor in a country that is in desperate need for medical professionals. We end with Dr Cartland sharing the many stories he hears each day of horrific vaccine injuries.
Dr David Cartland (MBChB MRCGP) is a fully qualified doctor and GP.He is also one of the most censored professionals in the UK.Dr Cartland has a 1st class degree in Biomedical science including a year of specialist immunology and microbiology/virology training that included statistical analysis, and it is this area of expertise that has had particular relevance and value in allowing him to professionally assess the mass of government, NHS, MHRA, pharmaceutical and ONS data on Covid-19 and Covid-19 Vaccine Adverse Reactions, which has been published since the declaration of the ‘pandemic’ in UK.Between his two degrees David worked for a year in the angiogenesis research group at the University of Birmingham and he is a published author in angiogenesis research.At his graduation he recited the Hippocratic oath.Part of this powerful oath is a vow.A vow to ‘Primum non nocere’- first do no harm.After years of training and sacrifice, followed by many happy years in a professional practice as a highly respected doctor, in February 2022 David took the difficult decision to resign as a GP.
Follow and support Dr Cartland at the following links....WEB: https://drcartland.com/X: https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/DrCartlandTRUTH: https://truthsocial.com/@drdavidcartlandDONATE: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/drcartland
PEOPLES HEALTH ALLIANCE: https://the-pha.org/ WORLD COUNCIL FOR HEALTH: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/ DOCTORS FOR PATIENTS UK: https://doctorsforpatientsuk.com/
Dr Cartland’s original testimony titled ‘Breaking the Silence’ can be read here....https://metatron.substack.com/p/breaking-the-silence 
Interview recorded 19.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.David Cartland, who's back with us again. And David joins us to discuss his experiences of being investigated over two years now by the General Medical Council, the GMC.It is the regulatory body that investigates doctors' malpractice or failures. And because of initially anonymous reports complaining about a social media profile, he has been investigated.He discusses that process and the GMC have absolute power, they can remove a doctor's ability to practice medicine in the UK. So it is, they are judge and jury, court martial. We also go into how the NHS silences whistle-blowers. He shares some of the stories of his patients that he has seen vaccine injuries and we also discuss his difficulty of simply getting a job as a locum in surgeries. 
Dr. David Cartland, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for your time today. 
(Dr David Cartland)
No, thanks for having me, Peter. It's always a pleasure to chat. 
Good to chat. I think last time you were with me is probably our last video at the end of last year. Time flies past, but it's good to have you back. Lots to cover, not only about you but what you see professionally. But if I can @CartlandDavid on Twitter, that's where you can follow David's many pieces of information put out regularly. So if you're not already following him, do. Although,David, you've become quite high profile. Maybe just touch on that and then before we get onto of the GMC stuff and some of the cases you see.But what is it like to be kind of the voice of reason? Because I guess when you go into profession, you're there as part of the system. You put your head down, you do the good that you've been trained to do.It's quite different for you because a lot of doctors now in the media, in the public sphere, are talking about. What has it been like over the last three years? 
It's really strange because I get a lot of feedback that I've kind of stuck my head above the parapet and I'm brave and I've got balls of steel or whatever they say, but you know I see it as simply my duty to do what I've done.You know I've said this many times, you know, I've stuck my neck on the line but really not because I've spoke out about ethical principles of consent, bodily autonomy, not coercing patients to take medical treatments that they aren't being fully informed about number one, but you know, that we haven't got any safety data for, you know, defending children and pregnant moms, you know, there was never any roll out data for both cohorts. And so that's the two easy wins, I thought I picked, you know, the ethical issues and the pregnancy safety, lack of safety data and the children and vaccine injuries and speaking out about lockdowns and masks and for doing so, you know, the NHS supposedly supports whistle blowing, they call it a learning culture, a no-blame culture, let's talk about these things without any blame until you whistle blow.And then, like I found out, to my detriment in a couple of arenas, really, as soon as you whistle blow about concerns that you've got. Concerns that still to this day remain unanswered.That's the other thing. You could easily shut me off with some data. Very easy to do.Correct my blasphemous views on all of this, just sit me down and show me the error of my ways and hasn't happened for two and a half days. It's been a full two and a half years, should I say.It's been a cancel culture as other people in the arena have found, you know, you look at Andrew Bridgen, all he did was ask questions and asked to take a closer look at the data. You look at footballers, Matt Le Tissier, you know, speaking out and saying, look, we need to look at this, footballers are collapsing left, right and centre, let's stop, let's investigate this. Similar to me, I'm just saying like this isn't ethically right, this isn't safe, we're not following evidence-based practice here, but yeah to somehow out of all of this become, I googled myself the other day because I said a third's really let me go because they said they'd googled me, so I thought let's.Have five minutes and see what you can come up with when you google Dave Cartland.One thing that comes up is internet personality, so that's the surrealness of where we are at the moment in that for somehow doing the job, following my Hippocratic oath, following principles of safety evidence based practice and ethics and these are all GMC guidance's as well you know I keep reminding on Twitter my fellow colleagues of the guides the guidelines that we have you know about the duty of candour whistleblowing ethics you know making sure you know we're gaining informed consent these are all enshrined in the GMC and as we'll talk about later on in the discussion the GMC they've got some slightly double standards when it comes to who to go after. 
I guess there was some point where it went from criticism within the profession, so disagreements with fellow doctors, fellow professionals, to a, more bigger investigation and checking up. I mean how did that step change come?
Yeah, where to start with that? So yeah, I mean, it has been kind of, it started off as kind of anonymous reporting. So the first I ever heard of the GMC, being involved in me was, I found it in my junk email box from my NHS mail account, saying that there'd been some sort of hearing about me about spreading COVID misinformation, and that a decision had been made that there was no case to answer for. This was in April, I think, 2021, it goes all the way back to that.That was without your input, you just... 
So that was without my knowledge, my input, but even though they found there was no case to answer, they escalated it to NHS Performance Advisory Committee.And so you'll see on Twitter, I posted a reflective piece they asked me to do at that point to explain how I got to my position. I actually got to present to the GMC at the time as well, not the GMC, NHS PAG committee and their six doctors.I had the floor for about an hour, went through data, my concerns, and with specific reference to the reflective piece that I posted.And, you know, at the very end, I just said to them, any comment, any information on what, you know, any rebuttal to what I presented?And they just said, look, we're not here to discuss the content of your views on COVID.We're here to discuss, and it was a really strange comment they made.They said, we're here to discuss your mental health, your fitness to practice, and your fitness for purpose.I always remember that comment, fitness for purpose. And it kind of all fizzled out after that.They closed the case, and then pretty much, you know, every month or two, I'd get a dumping from the GMC saying we've had these 15, mostly anonymous complaints from various characters, either from Twitter or ex-colleagues I used to work with saying, we've had these 15, 20 complaints just to let you know, FYI, this is the content that's sending you the redacted complaints.And you'd just been told that you were getting this flurry of complaints about COVID misinformation, conspiracy theories, and all the rest of it. And some of them are quite comical.I was called a dangerous individual, I've been called Harold Shipman 2023.And all the rest of it and so you know they were throwing them out which is good but then it kind of got a little bit more nefarious in that you know, firstly the council culture in my own community, so I've been you know, I've been I moved down to Cornwall for the work life balance, I didn't wake up one morning and say I tell you what I'm going to be a crazy anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist and commit career suicide. I said what I saw I had genuinely held and still unrebutted concerns as previously mentioned on safety ethics and an evidence-based medicine and not being followed.And for that, I've received a cancellation, blacklisting. I've applied recently for, in Cornwall, we've got a lack of doctors. We've got a massive issue with GPs in particular.I'm an ED-trained GP, so I'm kind of dual-trained, and I teach medical students.I've got background in science.I'm a published scientist, did a degree with quite heavy weighting in immunology.And we've got somewhere around 25 jobs out there all the time, consistently. Whenever you look at the website advertising for GP jobs, there's always 25 jobs.So I applied for 25 jobs about six, seven months ago, and I got three responses.The rest just ignored me.Their jobs are still being advertised, by the way. And the three letters that I got back were essentially we don't employ anti-vaxxers or your views on vaccines don't align with the ethos of our vaccine centre, for example.So it started off like that.And even now, I mean, I've been let go from locum surgeries now because I retweeted an Andrew Tate video six months ago.That's a genuine example of why I've just been let go from three weeks worth of work, you know, and I didn't really know who Andrew Tate was. If I'm honest, I must've just seen something on Twitter, retweeted it without doing a full, you know, biography check on the person.And then that was enough cause for the GP surgery to let me go.And that was actually a surgery that had massively positive feedback from the work that I'd done.And then the other surgeries then, you know, putting the phone down on agencies they mentioned the name Dr Cartland, literally putting the phone down on them saying and then the agency would get back to them and say was that technically correct.Was that a technical issue with the line? I said, no, no, no.You mean Dr. David Cartland from Cornwall? Oh, no, no, we don't employ anti-vaxxers at our surgery.We'd rather not employ a doctor.We would rather have no doctor than have him.And there's been several examples across the last six months where surgeries have gone without a medic for a whole day than have me, who's offered my services to them.And I've got email confirmation of that. So it started off a little bit like that, cancellation in my locality.I mean, cancellation by the village that I live in, the town I live in.Literally bizarre because as you mentioned earlier you know outside of Cornwall, I'm quite, there's a profile there you know people know who I am people recognize me but not in my home village they think I'm a leper and they treat me like a leper so very odd and then the GMC stuff started a bit more insidiously then with with the usual suspects on Twitter.. 
So okay tell us what the GMC the General Medical Council there'll be many watching not in the UK so what exactly is that body what does it do?
So the GMC are there, General Medical Council are there to kind of oversee doctors conduct, doctors you know any issues around their abilities practice safely, you know so clinical negligence etc so they've got kind of lots of overreach into into what doctors do but I mean the way you complain about a doctor is you can literally go on to an online page completely you can say anything you want and I've seen this in action, like literally you can say, Dr. Cartland tweeted this.And this was what a lot of the complaints were that I was getting.It was about social media activity.But I did come across, you know, I had the devil in me at some point in the past, about seven or eight months ago.And I decided to do a sort of feature on Twitter where I went into some of the TV doctors.And I thought, I'm going to out some of the outrageous statements that Van Tam, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock.I did a week of going after the politicians and just quoted what they said in their own press conferences and, you know, the next slide, please, conferences that they were doing. And then I moved on to the TV doctors. And I went to Dr. Ranj, Dr. Amir Khan, Dr. Sarah Kayat, Dr.Hilary Jones, and I basically published the biggest whoppers that they'd ever told, you know, like, Dr. Ranj said, you know, take one COVID-19 vaccine, and you're 100%, 100%, it's always 100% safe and effective of avoiding hospital or going, becoming unwell, or dying of COVID-19. That's what he said, or worse. And I just posted it. And that's been taken now by the GMC to be examples of my bullying.The charges against me at the moment are bullying, incitement of hatred to fellow professionals, and online harassment.So they've tried the misinformation, they've tried the mental health, they've tried the conspiracy theories on professional behaviour, social media guidance, and now they've moved on to what can only be described as a coordinated complaint.I've got evidence of all the complainants collaborating together in chat rooms, and making this an effort to get me struck off.So as we stand today, you know, I've been all of the complainants, for example, have been given the chance to give an oral statement against me. You know, Dr. Ranj gave a 110 page victim statement in inverted commas. And it was like reading a fantasy novel. Honestly, I've read it, it's an embarrassment really to the GMC, but they've took it seriously on the lines of bullying and harassment. And what have I done? I've posted 'This Morning' interview where he made outrageous claims that misled a lot of people, you know, nothing's 100% RSA, you know, this cup of tea, it's not 100% safe, I could choke on it, I could drop the cup on my foot, I could drop, you know, the hot liquid on my crotch, you know, and it's not, it's not 100% safe, is it? So all of these doctors made the claim of 100% safety. One particular complainant said it was 100% safe tovaccinate pregnant women, and then went on to say that the vaccine reduced miscarriage rates, and then went on to equally tell a whopper around what technology was used in the vaccine, saying it was identical to the influenza vaccine, without naming names for this particular doctor.But, you know, they've been able to formulate that my retweet of, you know, their false claims has been labelled as, what did they say in the one complaint, I've set my anti-vax mob upon them, and, you know, they're all playing the mental health card now, saying that because of Dr Cartland, they're suffering with their mental health and anxiety and all the rest of it playing the victim beautifully.Very strange goings on and to me I mean it's a big overreach really GMC are they there to comment on my twitter feed? you know that's what it seems to have come down to.
But well, what is the the process do you get an email or letter through to say you need to appear in front of somewhere, just being told you're under investigation and you said you were before them so what input do you have with that?
That's a really good question, so in all in all of this you get kind of, you get I'm infamous at GMC now so I've got my own complaints member of staff so I've been allocated my own member of staff for the inundation that they've had.But essentially that person will then update me on the process.And the process has been the three complainants have been given the oral witness statements.And they've gone to town on me really and dug back into my timeline.There's clear collaboration between them. Meaning one particular complaint, the GMC have actually helped the complainant go through my Twitter feed and look at interviews to look for examples of alleged transphobia.So there was a period about three months ago where I went in heavy on the strange things that we're seeing in the sexualization of children, sex trafficking.There's the drag queen story hour that we've had in Cornwall.Some of the videos I'm seeing online about inappropriate things going on in front of children.People clad in gimp suits with kids stroking them.You've probably seen the images. Men clad with sex toys all over them, multi-coloured sex toys, making a complete fool of themselves really in front of children.And calling that out, and again, charge number eight on the GMC charge list is I've showed hostility towards the LGBTQ community.I've had lots of input from LGBTQ people, show me a lot of support, actually, because they're fed up of it.They're fed up of this kind of leaning into the agenda and the overreach of it, this minor attracted persons, the, we need to start having sympathy for paedophilia, we need to start looking deep into the psychology, normalizing it and then going off on things like, you know, in schools now we've got kids in our locality identifying as cats. I mean, how on earth have we ended up with that? You know, when we've got people being referred off a puberty blockade at the age of 12 and genital mutilation, that to the GMC there is evidence of my hostility towards LGBTQ and they're jumping on anything at the moment. Clearly I've got a target on my head.So none of it has to do necessarily with your medical understanding or ability or giving someone the wrong drugs. It's simply your views, what's in your head.And it's strange how a tweet can affect how you actually carry out, listen to a patient diagnosing them. It's, their opposites.
They're saying it just affects confidence in the profession, so another colleague, I won't mention the name at the moment, is having a case reopened for bringing the profession into disrepute.Affecting public confidence with their conspiracy theories in inverted commas. But I mean, I'll tell you what's happened, just to finish off what I meant to say just about the GMC proceedings. So all three complainants got the chance of an oral statement. They've been either to the building in GMC HQ or they've given a Zoom, you know, face-to-face. I've not been afforded that privilege so basically what they've done is clumped all three complaints together into about 600 pages of evidence and I mean the evidence is pathetic, simple as that it's not it wouldn't you know if it was a murder case it would be thrown out, you know it's absolutely embarrassing but all the way through this I've got a clear evidence of all three complainants colluding, inciting against me, getting people to and they've done it for other doctors like Aseem Malhotra, please report this doctor to the GMC, well that's incitement isn't it. And I've got evidence of this.In fact, one of the complainants has been, is a very notorious chap on Twitter.Again, I can't name his name, but a notorious bully, troll, spreader of misinformation.And this guy has been bullying me for two years and has had the audacity to accuse me of bullying.I said to the GMC, I've got pages and pages of information where he's called me Harold Shipman or he's had me arrested or I've been struck off.I'm dangerous, I'm dodgy, I'm unsafe to practice, I'm a liar.I've got all of these screenshots. He's even questioned my mental health, publicly saying I should be sectioned, I'm mentally unstable.He's been speaking to my family and they're all increasingly concerned about my mental health. I've got all this, but can you show it to the GMC? Do they want to see it?No, they don't. not letting me give, you know, get beyond the administrative system to speak to a decision maker. So it's been very much guilty till proven innocent and they backed that up by, about a month ago, they demanded of me my full, you know, who I work for as a locum, what surgeries, which hospitals I work in and they wanted me to go back six months to name what surgeries I work at and the reason for that was they wanted to send out a letter before I've even had a chance to give evidence to say Dr. Cartland has been accused by some high profile TV doctors of bullying, harassment and online incitement and that's gone out to every surgery that I've either worked for or currently worked for and I absolutely begged them not to do that. I said look, this is clearly a guilty till proven innocent approach to the situation, please let me at least give my chance of defending myself. I mean to be fair to them, they've been clear in the letter that, you know there is no fitness to practice hearing here and it's not, you know, they haven't even made a decision on that they're just collating so what's the point of sending the letter. I said to them this is only going to give me financial and reputational damage, they still sent it and since then the three surgeries have not offered me a single locum shift, so as predicted they want to wait till the investigation's over and that's natural of course, why would you want to employ a doctor by choice that, you know, it's hard enough for me to get a surgery to take me for half a day when they're absolutely desperate, you know, it's it's such a waste but can't explain that. Guilty to all, even innocent. 
How long has the process with the GMC, how long has that been going on for and how long does it, is there a fixed time period, can they keep it open for indefinitely, what's the process?
Yeah that's a great question as well, I don't know, I've not been very transparent through the whole time, it's been, I've been dangled by a piece of string since like I say April two years ago, with various different, you know, aspects, like I say I first found out about investigation from a junk email. It's just the communication has been terrible as well. They've not kept me up to date really. They keep telling me they dropped a lot of the charges against me without informing me that they dropped a lot of charges against me. What GMC like to do as well is they send you emails that are quite anxiety inducing about five to five in the evening, and they're all knocking off at five o'clock. So even in that approach it's like well.There's method in that, they're doing that on purpose, you know, to send an email at 10 to 5 with, you know, this is the witness statement for Dr. X and then you're going into the weekend and you can't fight your corner and, you know, all they've done along in terms of pastoral care, you know, at the end of the day this is very stressful, you know, I'm going into the next month not knowing if I'm going to be in front of a fitness to practice hearing for the crimes of promoting evidence-based practice ethics and safety.And I don't know where my next pay check's coming from. It's just, it's bizarre.And all they've done is they've given me a Samaritan's number and to contact the BMA 24-hour helpline, completely separate to them. There's been no pastoral support.In fact, there's been no pastoral support at all. I've tried all through the last year to reach out.It's hard enough to do that as a doctor, reaching out to other doctors, and I've ended up passed from pillar to post. No one can offer me any support, any help.I even went to my own GP at a time when I was having a lot of stress, I wasn't sleeping.GP essentially, in a nutshell, signed me off work for six months with stress and depression.Sent me bucket loads of antidepressants, sleeping tablets and anxiolytics and then zero point during that, I've still got the boxes by the way, I never used them, but the point I was trying to make is not one single doctor or nurse spoke to me in that six months and assessed me and gave me copious amounts of drugs during that time and signed me up and made a diagnosis actually based upon e-consults, which is what doctors are doing now. They're not even seeing patients to this day. They're still doing telephone consults, you know, triaging everything out, you know, only seeing on the day emergencies and this is what's contributing in a way to some, only a small amount of the excess mortality that we see and they're just not seeing patients hence, not diagnosing or processing and doing their job, still hiding behind the COVID. I worked at a surgery a few weeks ago and the doctors are all still masked up. They've got two, three masks on some of them, gloves on, aprons on, visors, they change between every patient and they've had five or six jabs at each of these doctors. So we've created this bizarre kind of germ OCD phobia kind of mentality. I can't explain it. 
It is. Maybe four months ago, five months ago, I went to the hospital with one of my kids and I went in and the doctor said, I'm sorry, you'll obviously need to wear a mask. I said, I'm exempt. He goes, no, no, no, you can't be exempt. I said, yes, I'm exempt, I can show you, the government. And he goes, oh well, it's too dangerous.If you refuse to wear a mask, we'll have to have the consultation in the corridor.So we moved out of his room and we were in the corridor of a busy hospital and he carried out the consultation in the corridor, because the corridor was safe, but his room was not. And I thought, you don't even argue when you're with children, you just... 
And this is in 2023, Peter, isn't it? The insanity continues and now we've got the old... Eris, is it? Eris, the variant, and they're trying to stoking up the fear porn.The goddess of destruction, they've named this one after all, chaos or something like that.So they're really working on getting the anxiety levels up and people will fall for it.The doctors have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.Absolutely easy meat it's been to con the doctors. I mean, how to explain what happens to you there?You know, you've been taken out to a corridor. It's just insane.You know, if you see a doctor in a mask, I would go and ask to see another doctor.I'd go so far as to say that, you know, It's an instant IQ assessment for me.The data's out there about damage. Not only is it pointless, I keep trying to explain, you've got eyes as well.If you sneeze into somebody's eyes, you still can contract. So unless you've got goggles on.Doesn't matter what you wear on your face. There are studies that show it's dangerous to your blood gas.You can become hypercapnic, hypoxic.Quite swiftly, I have to put in one arm. Spoke to a lady at my son's optician appointment last week, and you could see she was struggling to breathe.You're speaking and she's and you can see it bellowing out and just like you don't need to put that on, it doesn't work, but her excuse to me was it just makes the older patients feel safer, but it's fraud isn't it, it doesn't it doesn't do what it says on the tin but that's just a small cog in this deception isn't it. 
One last question on the GMC and then maybe touching some of the cases you have seen what powers do the GMC have? 
They've got the power to end your career, literally, so that's where we are with my particular cases, that they're going to, two people get to decide, one's a lay person and I don't get to speak to these people. I've got the opportunity to write a written rebuttal and they turn the sand timer off 14 days ago so I've left it for a few days and I've got 14 more days to respond and then that goes to a decision maker which is a doctor, a lay person to decide is it fitness to practice or not and that's where the fun begins if it is a fitness to practice and in a kind of dark way. I hope they do because I hope to air my facts and figures to them in public and I think this is the reason they haven't taken some of the higher profile doctors to fitness to practice because it goes on public record. We come out with all of our data, we talk about excess mortality, we talk about our clinical experiences and it all comes out in the open and I don't think they want that. That's why they go for things like bullying and online harassment and breaking the social media guidance or there's a new guidance come out on LGBTQ+ now, all you need to do is offend, that's the measure now you have to leave your faith for example at the door and if the level of being able to report the doctor to the GMC is just merely offending somebody with your view and again at that fitness to practice that literally is what it says on the tin, are you fit to practice or not and we see it now in some of the cases of people being struck off, it's very nefarious, people are, and it's not based on safety, it doesn't seem to be harming patients that brings about the charges are being struck off anymore it can be what you're offending somebody or you know your twitter feed or retweeting an Andrew Tate video for example, it's just bizarre I mean what what jurisdiction should the GMC have over my private, where's that private, public social media. I've got freedom of speech, you know, I'm a lot of these views and they're quite you know within their rights to debate me but I'm two and a half years in now, not a single doctor, no one from the LMC, no one from the GMC, no one from the NHS, the chief medical officer runs away from me down here, the MP runs away from me down here.No one wants to have the conversation and so we all know what that is.But it's just so dark, isn't it, that, you know, a good doctor here is not able to work in one of the most under doctored areas of the NHS.And, you know, it's only patients that suffer. It's not me. I'm doing okay with my private work, you know, so, you know, it's one of those.Well, actually, let's touch on that, the private work side on your website.Let people know what they can find because this is, I think, a way forward and what you're offering is essential and exciting that's happening, it's sad to see it has to happen.But tell us what people, is it people in the local area that they can basically connect with you and have a diagnosis?
Yeah, so the service has been set up with a deliberate eye on what the GMC have been up to.So I've kind of called it a kind of off-grid, off-matrix kind of medical experience.So I don't know anyone else who's doing it, really. So it's kind of novel in its approach.So I've had to be careful what I call it. Obviously, I am a GP, I'm a doctor, so I'm allowed to use those titles.But I've had to kind of draw a line as to what needs to be regulated and what I can do in an unregulated fashion.So for example, if I prescribe a drug, that needs to be regulated.You need a GMC license to practice, CQC registration.Now, if I keep patient notes, I need GDPR regulation. So I've had to pitch it, the model, at where I can be unregulated, like a life coach, for example.So I call what I do health coaching.I call it clinical navigation, clinical signposting. I call it health advocacy.And that's what I do. I'm a voice of reason. I'm a medically trained person, ex-scientist, that is there for patients to come to and listen.One of the key things I get is as to why people book in with me is, A, that they trust me for standing up against all of this this nonsense, so it's a trust issue and that trust has been lost. These people you're never gonna trust doctors ever again.And they come to me because they value my opinion and I listen.It's a simple case of having an hour, you know, I charge in a very ethical price, you know, it's far below what, you know, the standards for a private GP appointment would be.It's a quarter of that. And I sit with the patient for an hour and I listen and I take the history.And even this very morning, I had three cases of vaccine injured patients that just, they were quite emotional, really, both the two younger girls, because they just got heard.They were listened to and acknowledged instead of being gas lit and told it was all in their head and there was absolutely no chance of that.But going back to the service, it's growing month on month.It's going really well. I work from this office.I work every morning seven days a week, 363 days a year.So accessibility is there. You get the same doctor twice.You actually get a doctor, which is a bonus.In general practice, if you actually get a doctor, you've struck gold, haven't you?So they're the USPs really, and you'll get an honest opinion.Sometimes I do have to direct people back into the NHS to take our blood tests, for example.But that's what I'm there for. I'm a health advocate.And so like one of the patients this morning, I've written what I call a kick the doctor up the backside letter to get the doctor to do some basic investigations with a girl that's been having chest pain and palpitations within a week of the vaccine.And they haven't even done an ECG.They've done their blood tests. a referral for 24-hour ECG monitoring. They've not done a referral for an echocardiogram. Just basics. You know, we're seeing a lot of clinical and criminal negligence now in the patients that I see, particularly from the vaccine injury community. So that's what you get in a nutshell.So yeah, go to drcartland.com and have a peek.Tell us more about what you're seeing because I'm assuming that you may see people that have gone to their doctor, nothing's happening, the doctor refuses to even consider this could be vaccine injury and therefore they come across you and speak to you. But tell us kind of how that's worked and what are some of the stories that you've heard from patients? 
Yeah so the stories are quite classic actually. So what I would say from the outset is I've not spoke to a vaccine injured patient that has got the same story. So there's different kind of severities of symptoms, there's different timelines, there's some are immediate, some are sort of medium term, some are slightly longer term. But the one thing that's really consistent with these patients is that temporal relationship to the vaccine. They're in good health, the two patients this morning.In good health, fit and healthy. One was an 18 year old and within two days of having the vaccine and the second patient was within two weeks having some heart pain, chest discomfort.They then venture off to their doctor and every case is the same.The doctor will immediately, as soon as the patient mentions the vaccine word, that's it.It's almost like crucifix comes out at that point. The room changes, the mood changes, the aggression levels of the doctor change and they dismiss the patient with immediate effect and just say, look, this is absolutely 100% nothing to do with the vaccine whatsoever.But these are the same doctors, if you remember, that had, you know, they were putting down COVID-19 for every death. You know, you can have a positive test and get struck by lightning the day after. And they put COVID-19 as a death certificate, they'll put in COVID-19 as 1A when people have died of cancer.And it was quite extraordinary. But what they're telling these people is, either it's in their head, the amount of people who've got bizarre symptoms, and some people have got some really eclectic, strange, medically unexplainable symptoms.So they come and they've got a bit of this and a bit of that, and it doesn't fit into a conventional diagnosis or criteria to diagnose things like MS, for example.They get brain fog with numb left arm with weakness of the right calf and incontinence of urine, for example.That doesn't fit into any conventional neurological diagnosis. I'm hearing of cases where neurologists are seeing the patients.Telling them it's absolutely not 100% nothing to do with the vaccine. They're not even touching the patient with a tendon hammer. They're not examining them and just dismissing them as functional neurological disorder, aka they're making it up. It's in their head, despite you know, coming on two days after the vaccine. The latest thing I'm hearing is they're telling vaccine injury patients that it's from long COVID, everything's long COVID. So these doctors who deny a day after the vaccine, somebody, you know, going into fits, is anything to do with the vaccine, are the same doctors who were saying, oh, actually, the latest one is even more dark, asymptomatic long COVID. So I'll give you a real life example of a 31 year old who I saw about a month ago at surgery, who had two AstraZeneca's. After each AstraZeneca, she had a blood clot on her leg, one on each leg. Then they went on to booster with a Moderna in December this year, just gone. And this was a 31 year old girl. She had a mini stroke a week later and then she had a full-blown stroke.And when she had to have surgery, a bilateral stroke, blood clots on the brain.And she was told, and I saw this in the neurological letters, that she'd been, this was from an asymptomatic COVID-19, long COVID infection, that had caused a stroke and this was all within a month of a Moderna booster. Absolutely incredible and then, you know, I tell patients, you know, it's highly likely but the issue we've got here is really that we can't ever prove it.There isn't really a way of absolutely proving it. We're looking at ways of really nailing this correlation, causation thing now.So there is a way of finding out antibodies, if you've got antibodies, for example, to nucleocapsid protein and the S-protein, and if you've got both, then there's an equal argument that it could have been the COVID infection.But what we have got now is patients that are just measuring for antibodies for the S-protein, which is a spike protein, and not the nucleocapsid protein.So that completely knocks out the possibility that it can be long COVID-related, because there's no evidence of the nucleocapsid protein.So we need to find that test that really is that eureka moment in helping these patients.And a lot of work I do is around spike protein detox.And we're all, whether you believe in shedding or not, that's up for discussion, but we really need to get detoxifying our bodies and I've really turned myself around in the last eight or nine weeks because I've been vaccinated as you know, and it's really messed with me, it's messing my cognition, my memory, lots of brain fogs, lots of mental fatigue, obviously there's a lot of confounders here about all the stress going on, but at the same time, I felt like I was going into dementia at 41 years of age and really turned it around. So anyone who's got any concerns about spike protein, obviously not just me, don't just contact me. I'm not just selling my service.There are lots of protocols out there now from World Council for Health, People's Health Alliance.You've got the FLCCC, I Recover Protocol.My protocol is publicly available on Twitter for free. It's all about detoxification of the spike protein.That's the pathology here.And that's common across the board. It really was a flawed thing to do, get the body to produce this non-human spike protein through the mRNA.Surprise, surprise, it's causing autoimmunity, it's causing cancers, it's causing inflammation in the body, it's causing immune system destruction, it's causing micro-plotting, endothelial dysfunction.It really is poisonous stuff. So yeah, anyone who's had a jab needs to look at, for themselves and for their relatives and loved ones, what we can to get rid of the spike protein.Lots of literature out there.Yeah, PHA, certainly World Health Alliance, fantastic work.So what you're basically pointing out is they are providing solutions.
Absolutely, yeah. And these are grassroots organizations picking up momentum with each passing month.Both of the aforementioned, they're grassroots, they're run by people that give a lot of time for free to help set up an alternative to the NHS.And, you know, honesty is at the centre of it all, you know, being open, being honest, and not for profit.None of these people are here to make money. They're here to provide a service.And if you go, for example, to the PHA website, you'll see that there's a whole directory of people that can help.It's not just the NHS. It's not, you don't have to go with the Stockholm syndrome, of going through the primary care system and being gaslit, you know, go contact people.There's directories of people that are, Naturopathic is the best way to put it.It doesn't have to be drugs. My own protocol's got one medicine on there, the rest is all plant-based. Anti-inflammatories, supplements, things like that.Things like keto diets, paleo-ketogenic diet, carnivore diets, that can really help get your body detoxed from anything from spike protein to heavy metals and all the crap that's in our food.We're toxic people now because it's everywhere. It's in the food chain, it's in the water, it's in the sky.So we're getting, you need to detox.
100%. Can I just ask you about doctors, whenever a patient goes to a doctor, are doctors kind of given information they go by, or is it purely in their head? Because obviously when someone comes in they refuse to accept it's vaccine harm. Is that simply because they're in, I guess, in some ways the pocket of the pharma industry, or because they just are too busy, they haven't looked, or because they're following guidance from elsewhere?
A bit of everything, really. I think when I do get to chat to it, and I do all the time, I get told not to talk about COVID in surgeries. I make it my business to enlighten the staff that are vaccinating people. So I worked in a room last week with a lady who was jabbing pregnant moms and kids with the COVID vaccine, so she was enlightened by me. So what I would say is the combination of doctors have got egos, number one, egos and God complexity, thinking they are the powers that be.Number two, they're complicit.They've been putting these jabs into people's arms.What's more concerning is people who've been jabbing through the last two and a half years don't even know that it's a novel technology.You completely lose them when you talk about gene therapy and immunomodulatory therapy.MRNA, a paramedic last week said, what's MRNA?And she'd been jabbing it into people's arms for the last two and a half years.And really that's not acceptable. The only defence I do have, and again, I've been dabbling a little bit back into the NHS the last few months, is that your just run ragged.You start your day at eight o'clock, you finish at six.Your halftime break's a home visit, where you're driving around, particularly in Cornwall, like there's quite distance the homes are from the surgery.And so you're driving with your sandwich in your mouth and your crisps while you're driving around, and you get back and you start again.It's like eat, sleep, repeat, and you don't have time.That's my only slight defence is that you run ragged and I think deliberately so.So doctors just haven't got the energy.You know, those days I did a few weeks ago, I haven't got time to get up and read the Lancet Journal or the evidence data for excess mortality. And it's not a good enough excuse, but you know, it's a factor in the equation that needs to be considered, that people are run ragged.And hence they don't know the Pfizer data, you know, the Pfizer documents that I've read cover to cover.These people haven't even heard of the Pfizer documents because they're that frazzled at the end of the day.And then the money, you know, it's been a big money maker for the whole of primary care hospitals.You know, they've cleared their debts from all of this. So I'll never understand why doctors aren't putting two and two together when you've got somebody that in a very short timeframe after a novel gene therapy, you know, has developed X, Y, and Z symptoms and how it can't be in the differential diagnosis at the least, that's just clinical negligence.You know, it's, this whole denial of the timeframe, you know, these well healthy young people. I've had some harrowing stories in the last few months of people that have lost legs, lost the use of the legs, you know, becoming incontinent, transverse myelitis, MS cases, turbo cancers, blood clots at the age of 18, all in proximity to the vaccine. All of them have one thing in common, it's absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine, according to their medical professional. It's just not good enough because we have to start helping these people. One thing's for sure, I've never jabbed a single individual. I've not given an mRNA jab to a single human, but I'm the only one seeming, along with a small pocket of UK doctors, trying to find answers and solutions. And we work day and night, and we're the bad boys of the profession, working day and night, often for nothing, to try and find solutions to what will be looked back on as the biggest crime against humanity. Of that, I'm certain. 
100% agree with you. Dr David Cartland, I really appreciate you coming on, giving us an update on what's happening with you and what you're seeing as a professional. I'm assuming the best place is on your Twitter. They can follow what's happening with the GMC and whenever you're coming, as you're going through that process, you'll keep your followers up to date on @CartlandDavid. 
That's the one. There are a few imposters, nice to be popular, but if you type in David Cartland into Twitter, you'll see there's about 25 versions of me, but that, you've got the twitter tag right there on the screen, so look out for the imposters because they are asking people for money personal details and you try to report to twitter to stop them but no, if they put parody in their profile they're allowed to say what they want, it's incredible, the amount of bullying I've had Peter is just, it's incredible, and yet I'm in the dock for being a bully, it's so bittersweet really to accept. 
Hmm, no completely. Well yeah, @CartlandDavid, make sure and get it right.Nowhere else but there. 
David, thank you so much for your time today.
No, thanks for having me. It's always good to share what I'm seeing.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

Hearts of Oak's head honcho is flying solo again this episode, so join Peter as he has a word or two to say about what has stood out to him on social media, in the news and across the globe this past seven days.In the spot-light today......- Trending: Far Right - Canadian Conservative Pierre Poilievre slams a reporter for saying "experts" are accusing him of "dog-whistling to the far right" by criticising the WEF's globalist policies.- #FJB: Biden regime to reinstate COVID-19 restrictions beginning with mask mandate as “COVID Cases Rise”?- Leave the Kids Alone: The far right’s fixation on paedophilia is dangerous?- Moms for Liberty poised to clash with teachers unions over school board races across the US.- UK Grooming Gangs: Five men found guilty of plying two schoolgirls (12/13 years of age) with drink and drugs before sexually abusing them in Rochdale.- Died Suddenly...- Refugee accuses the Government of having policies of “hostility and deterrence” after six died when a boat carrying migrants sank off the coast of France.- Woke at War: Transgender journalist becomes spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defence Forces to inform US and European citizens about events at the front line.
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.Described as an 'all round good egg' and 'so laid back he is almost horizontal', Peter is also a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Originally broadcast live 19.8.23
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Links to articles discussed...Trending Far Right  https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1692066948614435215?s=20Pierre Poilievre https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1691877924977475732?s=20Biden Regimehttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/just-time-election-biden-regime-reinstate-covid-19/The far right’s fixation https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-far-rights-fixation-on-pedophilia-is-dangerousMoms for Libertyhttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/moms-for-liberty-poised-to-clash-with-teachers-unions-over-school-board-races-nationwideGrooming Gangshttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12418211/Five-men-guilty-sexually-abusing-schoolchildren-rochdale.htmlDied suddenly https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12412043/Parents-Olympic-swimmer-Helen-Smart-comprehend-death-43.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubuttonRefugee https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-government-english-channel-afghanistan-kettering-b1100398.htmlTransgender https://spzh.news/en/news/75232-us-transgender-becomes-the-face-of-uaf-media-project-for-western-countries

Dr Sebastian Gorka - Election Integrity, Indictments Strengthening Trump and the Lunacy of the Left

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Dr Sebastian Gorka joins Hearts of Oak to discuss the latest bout of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr Gorka is a unique figure in the US media and political scene as he is originally a Londoner with Hungarian background which gives him a deep understanding of European culture and politics. And as someone who served in the Trump White House he has seen many attacks from the left and from The GOP on DJT. The most recent indictment (No 3) is just the latest attack from the establishment who fear President Trump more than anyone else. There is no end to their hate and fear of MAGA. Dr Gorka also discusses election integrity and the lack of action to protect this process before moving onto the latest sorry saga in the Hunter soap opera (an appointed special counsel) and we finish up by looking at Dr Gorka's 2016 book "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War" and why this topic is no longer part of the conversation.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka was named as the newest Talk Show Host on the Salem Radio Network Platform, and began his show AMERICA FIRST on New Years Day, 2019. His ascent to this role could not have been more unusual, or more of a true “American Story.”To find out how it began, you have to go back to the 1950s, to Communist controlled Hungary.Hoping for freedom after the utter devastation of the Second War, the proud nation of Hungary was instead taken over by a Stalinist dictatorship subordinate to Moscow. One young man, who had suffered under the Nazis, decided to resist and so Paul Gorka created a secret Christian student organization to subvert the Communist stranglehold of his homeland. Paul was eventually betrayed by the British double-agent Kim Philby, arrested by the Secret Police, tortured and then given a life sentence for fighting for democracy and liberty.After two years in solitary confinement, two years down a prison coal mine, and two years in the central political prison in Budapest, Paul was eventually liberated by the brave freedom fighters of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. With the 17-year old daughter of a fellow political prisoner, Paul escaped across the minefields along the border of Western Hungary to a life of liberty in the UK, where Paul and Susan would be married and their son, Sebastian, was born.With parents who had lived as children under fascism and then escaped Communist Hungary, Sebastian was raised to love freedom. And his love of talk-radio developed early. As a child he would listen late into the night to the shows of the London Broadcasting Company with a small transistor radio under his pillow. It was with this special family background, and growing up under the influence of the Conservative warrior Margaret Thatcher, that Sebastian learned how to fight totalitarian ideologies, be they Fascism, Communism, or Global Jihadism.He would end up serving in the British Army reserve in a Military Intelligence unit, then after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in the first freely-elected Conservative administration in Hungary. The after the 9/11 attacks he became a professor on a Pentagon-funded counter-terrorism program run out of Germany.In 2008 he moved to America with his family where he continued to work for the Defense Department and become a proud American citizen in 2012. He obtained his doctorate in Political Science from Corvinus University in Budapest and was a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. In Washington, he served as Associate Dean for Congressional Affairs and Relations to the Special Operations Community at National Defense University and has also taught on the Masters program at Georgetown University.In 2020, President Donald Trump named Gorka to the National Security Education Board. This board provides strategic consultation and was established by congressional act in 1991.Dr. Gorka has briefed the CIA, the DIA, the US Navy Seals, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, served as an expert for the DoJ during the Boston Bombing trial, and testified before Congress on the threat of Global Jihadism. He remains a guest instructor at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, at Fort Bragg, the home of the Green Berets.
Connect with Dr Gorka....X:  https://twitter.com/SebGorka?s=20GETTR:  https://gettr.com/user/sebgorkaTRUTH:  https://truthsocial.com/@SebGorkaSUBSTACK:  https://substack.com/@sebastiangorkaWEBSITE:  https://www.sebgorka.com/
Interview recorded 16.8.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.Sebastian Gorka. You will, of course, know him from his media time, but also his time in the White House. But we start this conversation looking at his background. He was born in the UK, grew up in London, also lived in Budapest for 16 years. Hungarian is his first language, and he brings a unique perspective, I think, to the US, understanding UK and US culture and politics more than most others. But then we of course get on to President Trump and his latest indictment. Number three, he will need a trophy cabinet to collect these. We discuss what exactly is happening. We discuss election integrity. We discuss David Wise being the special counsel, on the Hunter Biden case. And then we end up with something completely different, looking at Islam or Islamism or Jihad. The first book I read of Sebastian was Defeating Jihad, The Winnable War.A lot to pack in, in 45 minutes. 
Dr. Sebastian Gorka, it is wonderful to have you with us today.Thank you for your time. 
(Dr Sebastian Gorka)
Thank you for inviting me today. 
Not all. And obviously, @SebGorka on Twitter, GETTR, Substack is there, Sebastian Gorka, America first, what, every day, Monday to Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Time. There's a lot. And of course your latest book, The War for America's Soul, is out and available. Lots to discuss, but if I can mention your website on your merchandise.I loved it. sebastiangorkastore.com. First of all, your FBI, Fascist Bureau of Intimidation, but then your LGBTQ, which I thought was lovely.You looked well in LGBTQ, let's get Biden to quit. I loved it.
Yeah, it's sad. The FBI t-shirt, Fascist Bureau of Intimidation is now our second hottest selling item on the website, SebGorkaStore.com.And even before that, I designed a mug.With a photograph of the Gestapo and an FBI agent in his raid jacket with the big letters FBI.And this was six months ago, or maybe it was after the raid on President Trump's home.And I said, you know, 80 years from Germany to the United States, the FBI, Biden's Gestapo.And my producer, who's a pretty forward-leaning guy, pretty hardcore conservative, he said, that's a little bit too much, Seb.Yeah, that's a little bit.That is like the number one item, because sadly, and this kind of, I don't wanna go into too much detail here, but before I joined the White House, I did a lot of work with the FBI. I trained them.I trained literally thousands of agents and intelligence analysts on the ideology of Jihad.That was my job with my wife.We had the only external contract providing that kind of training to the Bureau.And I was proud to do that. Now, after what the FBI has become, raiding the homes of pro-life ministers, raiding President Trump's home on a trumped up garbage documents charge.If the FBI knocked on my door right now, Peter, I'd tell them, go talk to my lawyers, sod off.I mean, this is what has happened to America under the radical leftist neo-Marxist cabal that is today's Democrat Party.Its bonkers and I want to end with that touch on the Islam on the jihad because Defeating Jihad was at the first time I came across a book by you and I remember, it is this book here Defeating Jihad, fantastic book but we'll we will end off on that but if I can maybe start with, I mean you don't you don't need an introduction even for a UK audience, it's your, but you're not the typical, U.S. media or political personality. Your military, national security and political background is British and European. Do you want to touch on that because that sets you apart from many others?
Yeah, I appreciate it. So yeah, I've had a pretty crazy whirlwind of a career. My parents escaped communist Hungary during the revolution in 56. My father created a secret Catholic student's organization in college to undermine the communist takeover.He was betrayed by Kim Philby, one of the Cambridge Apostles, one of the worst traitors of the Cold War.He was arrested at the age of 20, tortured and given a life sentence in a political prison.After six years, he was liberated literally by the revolutionaries who captured a Soviet tank in 56.And with the 17-year-old daughter of a fellow prisoner, he escaped to the West over a minefield, They made it to the UK.A few years later, they were married and those are my parents.I grew up in the UK, speaking Hungarian. My first language was Hungarian.I learned English in preschool and kindergarten.
Hungarian is a difficult language.It is, yeah. According to the State Department, it is the hardest non-pictographic language.So if you leave out Chinese and Korean, it's the hardest non-pictographic because it's not related to anything.You can learn the Romance languages, the Indo-European languages.It's irrelevant. it is this kind of Martian language in the middle of Europe.I think it wires your brain differently. It's good for cognitive capacity if you can speak that language and other ones.Then in college, so I went to London University. In college, a buddy of ours used to disappear every two weeks and wouldn't come out drinking with us.One Friday, I said to him, dude, you're coming out with us this weekend.He said, no, I can't.Where are you going? And he refused to tell me. And I said, well, I'm not going to let you go unless you tell me where you're going. And he said, I can't tell you, but why don't you come with me?And I was this long-haired philosophy and theology student. I had hair down to my chin and kind of like on a bet, on a dare, I said, oh, okay.So I followed my buddy to this unmarked building in downtown London, this red brick building.And it turned out to be the headquarters of the Military Intelligence Reserve.So the intelligence cause TA element in London, and it was selection weekend.And I was given a pair of overalls with about 30 other people.And I'd driven in a lorry to the middle of nowhere.And I did selection for this weird iconoclastic bunch of eccentrics in the intelligence core.And I loved it. I mean, linguists, interrogators, photographic interpreters.So I joined the territorial army intelligence core in college, loved it.Then the whole communist system collapses.And because I spoke Hungarian, French, German, and English and had served in a British military unit.That parlayed itself into a job working for the first conservative, freely elected government in Hungary.So I ended up working as an assistant to the deputy minister of defense, helping the former Warsaw Pact Hungary get into NATO.So, that was milestone number two. And then just to cut it short, 9-11 hits, I had a bit of background in counterterrorism.And I'm invited to teach on a Pentagon-funded counterterrorism training course out of Germany.There's this beautiful base the Americans never gave back to the Germans after World War II.It's called Garmisch-Partenkirchen in the Marshall Center.And for four years, I would commute between Budapest and Bavaria.And I teach counterterrorism to a group of international officers.And eventually that translated to me and my American wife and our kids moving to America.I became a U.S. citizen, a professor of irregular warfare at National Defense University, at the Marine Corps University.And the last kind of milestone is the book you held up. The book, Defeating Jihad, got onto people's radar screens and helped me to get a job in the White House working for President Trump.I was deputy assistant to the president for strategy based upon all the work I'd done in counter-terrorism.And now I have a national radio show, And God's been very good to me, Peter.Funny, from Ealing to Budapest to D.C, it's quite a journey. Can I, because in the US, I think probably from my point of view, there's only maybe Steve Hilton and Raheem Kassam who have an understanding of what happens over in Europe, both in being heavily involved in politics in the UK.So you're kind of a fish out of water there, and see things quite differently.I mean, the whole election integrity stuff, I know watching the votes coming in in London many times, it is a paper ballot.We would never consider an electronic voting machine. So you see things quite differently that way.Well, I do. And I'm kind of galled by the fact that, look, there's only one flag on the moon, and it's America's flag.And there's six of them. So we managed, out of all the nations on God's green earth, to send men to the moon half a dozen times.And we can't have modern elections run in ways that are fitting for a superpower.I mean, think about it.We don't have voter ID. In many states of the union, you don't have to prove who you are when you go and vote.You say who you are.They look up your name and your address. And if you can confirm the address in the big record in front of the poll worker, you're given a ballot and you vote, which is asinine.Democrats say showing an ID at the polling station is voter suppression of minorities, which of course is the most bigoted thing you can say because you're saying black people and brown people are too stupid to get a driver's license is really what the Democrats are saying.And not only that, thanks to COVID and many other things, we don't have an election day.Here in Virginia, I live just outside Washington, D.C. in Virginia, which is now run by a conservative governor, but even he has failed to change the fact that in the Commonwealth of Virginia, this probably shock your listeners, and if you don't believe anything I say, please do look it up.We have 45 days of voting.We vote for a month and a half before the election, which is just asinine.I mean, Mexico, which is in the midst of a drug-fueled insurgency, has voter ID.India, with a billion people, has voter ID. And the fact that we can't count our votes on election day and it's one day, and we don't have voter ID, it tells you why things like 2020 can happen.Okay, let's talk about President Trump. We've just seen another indictment.I'm kind of thinking he's gonna have to have a trophy cabinet of all these indictments because they're building up.What on earth is going on?
Well, yeah, he posted on his social media site, Truth Social, last week after the third indictment here in Washington, DC.He, you know, tongue-in-cheek, he said, well, one more indictment and I've got this election sewn up.It's insane, I mean, utterly insane.And he's right. I mean, every time, you know, they drop another, you know, facetious, false indictment, his popularity actually increases.What's going on? I'll tell you what's going on. President Trump is a force of nature.In 2016, he got 64 million votes.Four years later, after being called a racist, a misogynist, an Islamophobe, a Nazi, and a white supremacist for four years by the mainstream media, he got 10 million more votes, which is unheard of. He got 74 million votes, the most of any incumbent president in history, despite the fact that the Democrats mailed out 81 million ballots to be not voted on on election day, but to be filled in by somebody somewhere and then posted back or dropped into collective ballot harvesting boxes. So despite all of the shenanigans, he gets more votes than any incumbent president. Now they don't have COVID, to have that cover of mailing out ballots, and they're very worried. The Uni-party, and look, I said this when I was in the White House.I said it when I left the White House, Donald Trump won despite the Republican Party and not thanks to the Republican Party.He is a deadly threat to the vested interests of the Uni-party, as Steve Bannon calls it.Why? Because he's not owned by any of their special interests.He's not owned by the Chamber of Commerce that owns the GOP.He's not owned by Big Oil or Big Pharma.He's not owned by the unions like the Democrats are. He is a clear and present dangerto the quote-unquote political elite that just wants to control the lives of 330 million people, irrespective of what those people want. So, you know, the Democrats have to put him in prison.He's now, depending on which poll you look at, Peter, he's 20 to 40 points ahead of his nearest rival, the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis. I mean, he is the de facto Republican nominee, and in the latest polling, he's beating Biden as well. So they're just desperate. They are throwing everything at him. This latest indictment, I know your listeners probably won't watch it or read it.
This latest indictment is so Kafka-esque. It's so KGB tactics.They have indicted Mayor Giuliani, one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, who put five Mafia dons in prison when he was a prosecutor in New York prior to becoming the mayor of New York. They have indicted him for conspiracy because he retweeted a tweet saying, please call your state representatives and senators to request a special session so we can verify the results of the election. That tweet is deemed to be a felony by this woman, this prosecutor in Fulton County, who by the way, a little bit of a delicious tidbit, is the daughter of a former Black Panther extremist. I mean, you cannot make this stuff up. They have to stop him because he's not controlled by them. 
And I mean what happened to Rudy was intriguing living through 9-11 watching America's mayor as he became and absolutely loved and yet because of his support for Trump the establishment just turns on him. I mean apart from Trump that he is the biggest example of the lunacy of the establishment. Yeah I mean look at you know go back and just Google 9-11 and Rudy Giuliani, and you'll see the cover of Newsweek, the cover of Time.He's standing there at ground zero on the pile of rubble.He's getting the New Yorkers back on their feet after 3,000 Americans and others were murdered by jihadi terrorists.And now he's some kind of traitor who should be given 200 years in prison.But look, it's not about Rudy. I mean, it happens to everybody.It happens to me or anybody else who works for the president or supports the president.But look at what happened to him. Remember Donald Trump five years ago.No, no, let's go six years ago. Let's go 10 years ago.Donald Trump was loved by everybody. I mean, rap singers rapped about being the Donald.You know, he would have lauded cameo appearances in, you know, Home Alone 2, the movie.He had, for 14 years, the most popular reality TV show in America.The Apprentice was the most popular reality TV show in America.He was loved. Everybody wanted to be the Donald. Everybody.The second he comes down the escalator, The second, he says, I'm a conservative and I want to be your president, he's the devil incarnate.This tells you what you're dealing with. This is who the left have become. This isn't your grandfather or even your father's Democrat party. Strong national security, pro-life, Catholics.The likes of JFK or Scoop Jackson, they would not be allowed into today's Democrat party.Today's left is open borders, if you're white, you're an oppressor, America is bad.This is what we're dealing with.So I've long said on my radio show, forget political labels, forget little r or little d, it's not conservative or liberal, it's not Republican or Democrat.The dividing line today in America and for much of our civilization is whether you love the country or not. If you love America, then you're in one tribe.If you hate America, then you're going to vote Democrat. Think about Obama, and it all starts with Obama.Obama said what during the election campaign?He said, I am going to fundamentally change this nation.Now, I don't know if you're married, Peter, but imagine if you said to your wife, I'm going to fundamentally change you, right? I don't think your wife would be too happy.You don't fundamentally change anything you love. You fundamentally change things you don't like or you hate. This is the perverse situation our civilization is in. We are being lorded over by people who hate the countries they come from and the civilizations they live in.I mean, translate it into another sector. Imagine you're a businessman and you utterly detest Coca-Cola.Why would you want to become the CEO of Coca-Cola, right? I mean, I don't know how these – it's perverse.Why would you wish to be in charge of that which you detest, unless, of course, you want to destroy it?
Well, we're seeing that self-hatred across Europe, all on the left, where the left has abandoned its working class roots and become part of this woke agenda.But then the whole MAGA is a pushback on that and it's something different.It's not just the normal Republicans wanting states to be read. It's actually winning back the country and as someone in the UK it's fascinating watching the rise of the MAGA movement that puts your own country first which should be the norm.Yeah, I mean, think about it. You are lambasted. People are literally cancelled if they're public figures and they put on a red hat with the, letters M A G A.And what does that hat say? Is it a swastika?Is it the hammer and sickle, which would be fine, of course, for the left?No, it means make America great again.So you must be excoriated. You must be completely isolated and shunned from polite society if you want to make your country great again.I mean, it's truly beggar's belief, and again, it's not politics.I don't read autobiographies. I don't have the patience for autobiographies, but there's two.If you want to understand what's happened to America, there's two that I can't recommend more, and they're really life-changing, especially Andrew Breitbart's Righteous Indignation.His book on how as a drunk, mindless student at Tulane University, he suddenly became a conservative because he saw what they were doing to a black judge because he dared to be a nominee to the Supreme Court, and a conservative.This is the Clarence Thomas hearings.And chapter six of his book, Righteous Indignation, if you want to understand what the left has become, he paints it all from Antonio Gramsci in an Italian prison cell all the way through the Frankfurt School to Alinsky to Clinton to Obama.It is a masterpiece. So his book, Read Righteous Indignation.If you want to know what happened to conservative politics and to America, I was in the White House and it was Thanksgiving weekend and my boss Steve Bannon said, hey, you've got to read this book by J.D. Vance called Hillbilly Elegy.And I'm like, not interested. My wife had a copy of it.And it was Thanksgiving weekend. Went away for the long weekend.And I read the whole book that weekend. And the interesting about J.D. is, he's from a hillbilly family. He's from a real country, working class family.And he was no Trump supporter. When he wrote this, he was not a fan of Trump.Now he's a very Trumpian senator in DC.He's one of only two senators out of a hundred that I'll let on my show because he's a citizen politician, not a career politician.And in his book, which you can read in two days, three days.He just chronicles what happened to the working class in America through the eyes of his family.So how the people who literally built America, who travelled from Tennessee, from Kentucky to Ohio, became the factory workers, facilitated this incredible blossoming of prosperity and freedom after World War II, how basically the Republican Party took a massive dump on them 50 years ago and said, we can make stuff cheaper in China, we can make stuff cheaper in Mexico, we don't need factories in America, and consciously destroyed these families and said, yeah, fentanyl, who cares about fentanyl? Who cares about working class overdoses? We need to get the next shareholder meeting to demonstrate double digit growth for our companies.So this is why MAGA, this is why Brexit, this is why Maloney, this is why Modi.Because it's not party politics, it's people saying, you know what, my nation matters, and the people who built that nation matter, and we don't want to have career politicians who don't give a crap about the will of the people who say, I will represent you, become elected, and then do the polar opposite of what they were elected to do.So it's not about President Trump. It's about a global phenomenon, of the recrudescence of national sovereignty.And it's so fascinating that, you know, the word populism is a dirty word, which is, you have to stop for a second.Populism? You mean policies that are popular with the majority of the people, that's bad.If that's bad, you're either a communist or a fascist.And by the way, let's be clear, fascism is a left-wing policy. If you look at who Mussolini was, who invented fascism, it wasn't Hitler. The fasces is an ancient Roman symbol. If you look at the fact that he was an ardent communist before he invented fascism in the 1920s, you have to understand what these people are, whether they're AOC, whether they're Bernie Sanders, or whether they're Obama, whether they're you know, Klaus Schwab.These are fascists.No completely. We're seeing, actually it's exciting, the rise in populism, with many populist parties doing extremely well in Europe, until the poll, until the election, often in Spain, once we're going to have a majority with the party on the right, and suddenly they don't get that. Now the AFD, they're discussing banning the AFD because they're polling second in Germany. It's kind of the same tactics that we're seeing in America, more brazen, but we're seeing those same tactics to silence populism in Europe as well.Yeah, there's, this isn't well understood, so how we got here and what happened in 15 and 16, I strongly recommend to your viewers, there's a genius level guy who's been on my show several times, he was the head of cyber for the State Department in the Trump administration, His name is Mike Benz, B-E-N-Z, and you should get him on your show.I'm happy to connect you. And Mike Benz kind of, he made the light bulb go off for me because he explains, and he has a website called the Foundation for Freedom Online, where he has all the receipts, all the documents, all the inside video conferences from, you know, the global elitists admitting what they're doing.And Mike Benz, his huge contribution is the following. The foreign policy elite, which is totally Uniparty, right?I mean, let's be clear. The Republicans, the Democrats, when it comes to being a global police and blah, blah, blah, there's been a unanimity on that since the 1990s.And the foreign policy elite, quote unquote, built a complete superstructure to target and undermine populism abroad, whether it's Orbán in Hungary, whether it's Brexit with Obama coming and telling the British, you better not vote for independence because you'll be at the back of the queue, giggle, giggle, right?So for 30 years, they've created a system to undermine populist movements in other countries saying, oh, that's not good for us.So let's have a system where we're funding these NGOs, undermining conservatives because they're scary and fascist.And then what happened after 30 years of building this infrastructure to target the likes of Orbán or Brexiteers, when Trump comes along, what do they do?It's like the gun turrets of the ship turn from facing outwards to facing inwards.And the quote-unquote disinformation tools, the censorship tools, were targeted against populists at home. Again, do not take my word for it.Go and look at the unclassified documentation of how the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security were meeting with Twitter executives in Palo Alto on a weekly basis to have individual accounts deleted.How the story of Hunter Biden's laptop, which is, you know, all of the crimes of the Biden family, was suppressed by Palo Alto.And when that story broke, when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke four weeks before the election in 2020, you know, I tried to retweet it on my account.You couldn't, if you cut and paste the link onto your Twitter and you try to press post, it would refuse to post.Now that, you know, that's okay, I guess, I guess if you're trying to undermine an election in Cuba, but if you're doing it at home in front of your own citizens, that's when the light bulb goes off and you realize, yeah, these are fascists using fascist tools to control information to what end?Not to protect us from some boogeyman, but to maintain their grasp on power.Well, let me ask you on that issue, because I think a few days ago, program was sweetheart deal, David Wise is now special counsel. And I was trying to scratch my head trying to understand this because it seemed to be good, but then why is this happening now?For what reason? What is Biden playing at in putting this in play now? And then it was really David Wise was good, then not. So what is happening on that? But we've had Miranda Devine, Garrett Ziegler. We've discussed the stuff on Hunter, but suddenly this appears out of nowhere.Well, it's very easy to explain why, because they have to protect the Biden's for the next 15 months.I mean, remember, David Weiss is the Wilmington, Delaware, U.S. attorney who investigated Hunter Biden for four years, waited until last month to give him a sweetheart deal with universal immunity that he didn't disclose to the judge, and the judge exploded in Wilmington, Delaware, to give him a universal immunity deal on the felonious handgun purchase, the non-payment of taxes.He waited for all the other crimes to expire past their five-year statute of limitations.So he's the guy who's protected the Biden's for five years.And now, because of the pressure on the Biden's, his boss at the Department of Justice, the Attorney General, makes him, quote-unquote, special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden even further.Why? Well, very simply, if he's still under investigation, you can't ask questions about him in Congress.That's the buried lead.If an individual is under quote-unquote active investigation, when the attorney general is next testifying in front of Congress, and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee says, We want to talk about the $20 million that was sent to Hunter Biden from China and then split up amongst the family, including Joe.The attorney general says, excuse me, Mr. Chairman, this is an ongoing case I cannot comment.So it's just blatant political top cover from an existing biased individual.And by the way, it's also fascinating, if you read the statute, the statute in black and white says a special counsel is appointed when there is conflict of interest.The reigning regime, because of their implied connections, cannot fairly investigate a case.You hire somebody from outside of government.You find a lawyer, an attorney, a judge who's not part of the federal government to be the ombudsman, to be the fair investigator. You can't hire your flunky deputy from Wilmington.So the whole thing is in contravention of statute itself. But why?Because they have to protect Biden for the next 15 months.On to, at CPAC, I heard many of the candidates speak, except DeSantis, and I heard him speak in Florida a month before at CNP. And as much as I love what DeSantis has done in Florida, but my thinking is if Trump is in the ring, you don't get in the ring. You can't win. And like some of the other candidates, they're maybe looking for a position in the White House.DeSantis thinks he can beat Trump or, I mean, explain that because Trump has an unassailable lead. Why would you be crazy enough to step into the ring and try and beat him?
Well, look, ego. I mean, why are people like that fat embarrassment, Chris Christie, or losers like Asha Hutchinson that nobody's heard of? Why are they running? Or Mike Pence.Mike Pence's political career after January 6th is dead. I mean, it is forever dead.The guy who said 48 hours, I played the video on my show multiple times last week, the guy who says two days before January 6th.Yes, there were serious problems with the election, and we're going to find out, and I'm going to do my duty as president of the Senate.And then he caves, the yellow belly completely collapses. That guy, nobody's, anybody who supported President Trump, or 74 million of them, none of them are going to vote for him, who ran and hid. So why the heck is he running? So there's a saying in Hungary that these are the people who if they jumped off their ego onto their IQ, they'd be committing suicide.So a lot of these people, it's just totally out of touch ego. For Vivek, who's been very deferential to President Trump, but has said, look, there are people who will vote for me who won't vote for Trump, which is fine. You can say that. But he's the guy who went to Miami the day of the president's arraignment, said, if I'm elected, I'm going to pardon President Trump.And he's sitting there with a truth social hat on, President Trump's media app. This guy is playing it very smart. I had him on my show multiple times and said, Vivek, you're not going to win, But I'd love to see you as the Jared Kushner of a second Trump term.You're an incredibly successful private business entrepreneur.You should be the innovation guy in the next Trump cabinet. So he's playing a very canny game.When it comes to DeSantis, I said on my radio show maybe two years ago, or at least a year and a half ago, if he's smart.He comes in as the vice president. He supports President Trump, he runs with him, and then in 2028, he just slides into the top slot. If he knows what he's doing, that's what he does.And he has just, it's like, you know, during the Vietnam War, it's like there's peace protesters that poured gasoline on themselves, poured petrol on themselves, and then, you know, self-immolated.This campaign has self-immolated for a couple of very clear reasons.Number one, and even off the record, his fans will tell you this, he's a charismatic black hole.I mean, he has no charisma. I think he's on the scale. I think he's a little bit on the scale and he doesn't have, he has a little bit of that autistic incapacity to socialize.That's why his wife is essential. His wife is this beautiful, charming, erudite woman.She kind of makes up for his complete lack of charm.So number one, you gotta charm voters. Number two, his, I call it his honour deficit.I mean, what he said on the Monday after the brag, the New York indictments were leaked against President Trump was appalling.I mean, just utterly appalling. He made two quips about, I don't know about hush money for porn stars, giggle, giggle, right, as the governor of Florida. And then he says, I'm not gonna get involved because I've got business in Florida.Hey, dickhead, President Trump lives in Florida. Look at the map.Mar-a-Lago is in Florida. He is a citizen of the state over which you preside, and you're not gonna get involved.And lastly, if you know his backstory, the most galling of all, he's a former JAG.He's a former member of the Judge Advocate Corps, which means what?He's a former military prosecutor.Of all people, the probity of the judiciary should be of importance to him.And he says, I'm not gonna get involved.When a prosecutor in Manhattan deletes the statute of limitations.Expunges it so he can charge President Trump with something that happened years ago that didn't happen, and you don't have an opinion?I mean, utter, utter honesty and integrity deficit. And you know, the dumbest thing of all?All he needed to say, just one sentence, this is an outrage and it should outrage all conservatives and I will not stand for it as governor of the Florida, of the state in which President Trump lives. One sentence and he would have looked like a leader. And then one additional thing, I'm not sure percentage wise, but for a lot of people who care about foreign policy, his utter U-turn on Ukraine was a disaster. When he says on, I think it was Tucker's show, So, we don't care about this, it's not relevant, he gets a lot of crap, and then 72 hours later he says, oh yes, Ukraine is important, dude.This is the only thing you had to prove something on, okay? You've been running Florida, you've got a little bit of domestic credentials, the one thing you have to convince people of is your foreign affairs national security credentials.When you do a 180 on war in Europe, not a good look, not a good look.
What are your thoughts on how we've seen three indictments, as I said, the more they do, the more Trump's support goes up.And I guess every MAGA wants that mugshot of Trump because what they're trying is not working.His support going up and they thought they could I guess embarrass conservative voters to make them think he was too toxic. It's not working and yet they keep trying. Do they keep on that tactic? Do they try something else? Because at the moment it's not working. 
Well look you're trying you're trying to get me to, channel lunatics. What they're doing isn't rational. What they're doing is. When you believe, I mean, let's just say one example.This individual has been labelled by the left, by Democrats, and by the mainstream media, the mainstream media, as a Nazi and a white supremacist, as an anti-Semite.This is the man who, after 23 years of broken promises from Clinton to Bush to Obama, 23 years of presidents saying, yeah, yeah, we're going to move the embassy, broken promises for 23 years, President Trump comes in and says, yeah, we're going to move the embassy and we're going to recognize Jerusalem.That guy whose daughter converted to Judaism, whose grandchildren are Jewish, he's the anti-Semite?I mean, it is a cult. I mean, TDS used to be a joke.Trump derangement syndrome, we threw that around as a joke.It's not a joke. It's a clinical condition. When you accuse a man of being a dictator.Who did nothing dictatorial, in fact, had the most open administration ever, was giving impromptu press conferences for 40 minutes as he's getting on Marine One, the helicopter, That guy's a dictator?, but the people you voted for are literally sending teams of armed FBI agents to bust down the door of a pro-life preacher in Philadelphia in front of his seven screaming kids.But that administration, they're the good guys. So I can't, look, my job, my whole life has been strategy.That's the thing I do. That was my title in the White House.That's based upon reality, empirical evidence, on logic. I can't tell you what their strategy is because it's based upon rank hatred, recuperation, and just irrationality. I mean think about this every indictment, every indictment has made him more popular and raised him more money. I had Lord Black on my show yesterday, Lord Conrad Black, and he said, he made this point that kind of like, boom, you know, kind of obvious, but yeah.Nothing they've done, nothing they've done has hurt him. Zero.So why are they doing it?Because they're insane, and because they think that if they can actually put him in prison, they can get Biden re-elected.And the joy of it all, and this is what I say with some, you know, frequency on my show, is the other side, they're evil bastards.I mean, really, if you are okay with having a 14-year-old girl, healthy girls, breasts removed in the name of transgenderism or chemically castrating a 12-year-old boy because he thinks he's a girl. If you're okay with that, you're actually demonic. I mean, you are pure evil in league with the dark one. So no doubt, evil, cunning evil bastards.But they're also stupid. This is the nice thing about... It's also dangerous because stupid people can be dangerous, but they're really dumb. They don't have a Newt Gingrich. They don't have a Victor Davis Hanson on their side. Thank the good Lord, all right? I mean, they're really dumb because they haven't even read the Constitution, Peter. The Constitution of the United States is pretty clear about who can be president. You have to be in your 30s. You have to be 35 or older.You have to be a natural born citizen, born to Americans. You don't have to be born in America.That's not correct. You have to be born to American citizens and you have to be a permanent resident in America for at least the last 14 years before the election. That's it. You can be a felon.You can have been charged and convicted of crimes that would lead to 400 years in prison.It doesn't matter. You can still be the president. That's how stupid they are.I just want to finish off on the book I mentioned, obviously your latest book, The War for America's Soul, I think that was 2019, and that is available. But I said at the beginning, defeating jihad, the winnable war. Just to finish, just on a completely different subject, the issue of, and for years I've studied Islam, for 10, 12, 13 years, and it's that cultural clash between the freedoms that Islam has and the freedoms the West have and then jihad, Islamism coming out of that. And it's not a topic that seems to be on the table for discussion a lot. And I was intrigued going to CPAC and it wasn't even mentioned and yet that is a threat just as China is a threat, just like many other issues are a threat. And I wanted just to finish on kind of your thoughts on that and why it is not part of the mainstream discussion.
Well, it's not part of the mainstream discussion here in America, and for a very good reason.I mean, think about it.ISIS was on the front pages for years and years and years. I mean, American citizens being beheaded on video, the Yazidi Christian hostage-taking, Jordanian fighter pilots being burnt alive in cages.People forget ISIS was a thing. This was the biggest jihadi insurgency in history.I mean, they controlled multiple countries in the Middle East.And when we came in, we said no. President Trump said, unleash Special Operations Command, unleash Fort Bragg, unleash Delta, and get the stinking lawyers out of the way.I mean, like Shakespeare said, kill the lawyers first.We got the lawyers out of the way, and what happened?We have been told by Obama that ISIS is a generational issue.You're just going to have to suck it up and live with it. He actually said a generational issue.President Trump said, no, kill them all.Within five months of us coming into the administration, the caliphate, the caliphate of ISIS had ceased to be.People forget that. I mean, who talks about ISIS now? Nobody because we let our boys give them all a dirt nap.That's why it's not on the radar screen. Does it mean it's over? No, absolutely not.Does it mean that there won't be jihadi attacks in America because this administration is letting 6,000 illegal immigrants across the border every single day?You think you got it bad with a couple of rubber dinghies in the channel?Try 6,000 a day. We've had at least 40 people on the terrorist watch list come across the border that we know of, that we know of. So I'm not saying it won't come back.Why it's not on the radar screen? Because of the bloody good job our guys did back in 2016 and 2017 and 2018.But no, if you want to understand the threat of jihad, you have to understand that...The biggest lie since 9-11 is that they're not Muslims, right?That Al-Qaeda and ISIS are not Muslims. Well, no, that's actually a lie.Read the Quran. Read chapter 9, verse 29. Hunt down the infidel after the holy month and kill them all unless they surrender.That's not Seb Gorka speaking.That's not Bin Laden. that's actually the word of God as quote-unquote dictated to the illiterate merchant Muhammad you know in Medina in Mecca 1400 years ago. The idea that these are perversions of Islam.Yeah you're an apologist for those who are living a very pure form of Islam because who was Muhammad?He wasn't quote-unquote the last prophet. Muhammad was, if he existed at all, he was what? He was a warrior. He is a man who went to Medina and literally wiped out a whole Jewish tribe, literally wiped out whole Arab polytheistic tribes. To the last man jackal, he killed them.That's who Muhammad was. The idea that it's the religion of peace. Well, then learn Arabic.Islam doesn't mean peace. It means submission. Submission to what? To the will of Allah.And what kind of God is that? It's a very different God from the Jewish God.It's a very, very different God from the Christian God.It is a God of zero relationship to the believer and a man, not a man, a deity who can be utterly capricious.If Allah says murder is good tomorrow, it's good. And he can change his mind the day after and say it's bad.He's not truth. God for Christians is the good. There's no such conceptualization of the good.You're not allowed to describe God, right? You're not allowed to talk about his essence. That is blasphemy.To say that you know God, or you are in relationship with God is totally haram.It is total blasphemy in the Islamic faith.But these are the ground truths that you're not allowed to talk about.But people need to read the Quran, read the Quran, read the reliance of the traveller, read the actual Muslim texts about Muhammad, and then understand why...Here's the last example. Why? There's no such thing as an Arab motorcar.Not only is there no such thing as an Arab motorcar, Peter, there isn't an Arab bicycle.Think about that. That tells you about what this deformed theology has done, to knowledge, truth, and science. The best book on all of this, and it's a short read, it's about 250 pages, is my friend Robert Riley's The Closing of the Muslim Mind.His discussion on the deformed theology that explains why Al-Qaeda, why no Muslim bicycles, Why 9-11? It is mandatory. It was one of the texts I made mandatory for the officers that I trained when I was still a professor. 
Dr. Sebastian Gorka, I appreciate your time today. Thank you so much.
God bless all of you, all of your viewers. Thank you, Peter. Keep doing what you do.

Col (Ret) John R Mills - The Nation Will Follow: First Hand Experiences Fighting the Deep State

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Col. (Ret) John R. Mills is former Director of Cybersecurity Policy and International Affairs at the Department of Defense. You will have seen his many appearances on War Room with Steve Bannon where he brings his in-depth understanding of national security to the War Room posse. John is also part of the Center for Security Policy, Committee on Present Danger China. A year ago he published "The Nation Will Follow: First hand Experiences Fighting the Deep State and the Action Plan for the American Citizen". We start by discussing how John first became aware of the existence of the Deep State through a brief encounter with a colleague in one of the many corridors of the Pentagon. He unpacks what exactly the Deep State is, how it is anti God and why it will stop at nothing to take down President Donald J Trump and we finish by looking at John's next book which will be published within months which goes deeper into the war against the Deep State.
COL (Ret) John R. Mills is the former director of cybersecurity policy, strategy, and international affairs at the Department of Defense.COL (Ret) Mills has had an immense impact on a number of significant national security events over the last 40 years, from the Cold War, Peace Dividend, War on Terror, World in Chaos, and the era of Great Power Competition. He has served multiple combat tours, this service has been both in uniform and as a senior civilian for the Department of Defense and included service with the National Security Council at the White House across two Administrations. He has served in joint, conventional, and special operations units and as a senior staff planner on the Chairman’s Joint Staff.John is a part of the Center for Security Policy, Committee on Present Danger China, Spectrum consulting group, an adjunct Professor for a major University’s Graduate Program, founder of the National Election Integrity Association, and a regular Op-Ed writer for the Epoch Times, NewsMax, and Daily Middle East.
There is a Deep State – and this is the citizen plan of action for what they can do in their immediate neighborhood, the ground upon which they live.That plan involves activating and equipping all citizens with the knowledge of how to represent themselves locally to make a national difference.In a raw, personal and bold account, Colonel Retired John Mills will show us how he, like Whitaker Chambers, played a part in both allowing the Deep State to get a foothold in the federal government and then taking action against it.What is needed is decisive action, directed at the right, precise topics, at the levels of government we know best.The Nation Will Follow is your guide and plan to take that action and take on the Deep State.
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(Hearts of Oak)
Colonel John Mills, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for your time.
(Col Ret John Mills)
Peter, an absolute honour to be on your show. Thank you.
Absolutely great to have you. And people can see where they can find you, @ColonelRetJohn, on Truth and on GETTR, the nationwillfollow.com, which we're going to get into, but I encourage everyone to go and make use of the website and see what John has put together. And, John, you're so many people, touch a former director of cyber security policy. I know you served 35 years as a colonel and senior civilian, and you've been involved, as I've learned from just reading the book, at many different areas and aspects of, I guess, the government level, the military level, the Pentagon, so many areas. But it's probably better for me to ask you to introduce yourself and touch on some of those areas, because I certainly can't give honour to all the things you've done. So maybe take a moment or two to introduce yourself. Maybe two thirds of our viewers are UK, we're about 20% US, but two thirds are the UK. So take a minute to and introduce yourself to our audience before we jump into your book.Yeah, thank you, Peter. And also ColonelRetJohn on Substack will be Colonel Ret John all the time more Colonel Ret John than you can handle. And it'll just be a firehose of Colonel Ret John on Substack. But so Peter, I mean, I stopped counting at 35 years because I still have, I still do consulting, I'm very heavily involved in think tanking and things like that.So I'm very involved in the game, but I stopped counting at 35 years, but I kind of break up my time into five eras of service. I came in during the Reagan years and the Cold War.A child of the Cold War, I grew up in the Cold War with nuclear weapons, on alert, not too far from where I grew up.I came in during the Cold War, during the last decade of the Cold War, and it was an exciting time. It was the Reagan era.We were good, they were bad, and we were gonna put the Soviets out of business.It was as simple as that.It was an exciting time, some of the Reagan years. Then it evolved into the peace dividend years.I did a tour in Bosnia, worked closely with the British in peace making and peacekeeping in Bosnia.Learned a lot about a lot of things. So those are the peace dividend years when we'd wonder what is the purpose of our military?What do we do with our military?And then it evolved into the War on Terror. But it was, we even, even before then, this person named Osama kept on coming up in meetings, Osama.This guy, Osama, what does this have to do with us? But I don't get it. Who is this guy?Training camps in Afghanistan. So, I don't understand what's going on.So, it was the War on Terror years. And it was, it was a righteous anger in the response.But you know, as time has gone on, who knows some of the truth of things that went on.But it was as we spun up the US and world machine to hunt down terrorists, for a period of time, things seemed to be working. But that started to morph into from the war on terror to the, I called it the, during the Obama, Biden years, the world in chaos, the world in chaos.And then it became the, after that we'd say great power competition.And now, as we realized what was going on with China, and now it's the great showdown with China.The fifth act is the great showdown with China and the battle to save the republic here in America and actually worldwide. 
Well I know we've had Frank Gaffney on talking about his book The Indictment on China. I know you're a fellow of the CSB, so one of your many other parts that you play. But going on to the book, if I can just bring up, this is what the viewers will find on the website. The Nation will follow. I'd encourage everyone to go there. I enjoyed John's book on audio. You can obviously get it as a hardback, paperback. And so much to find, so please go to the website and make use of the information available there. Order your copy. It's a short book, 200 pages. You can read it quite quickly. It'll give you such an overview ofThe Deep State, really, in the situation there. But maybe I can bring you back. Chapter two, Encounter on the A-Ring, and the quote there, which obviously made you think of what was happening, was, we see more opportunities with her. Do you want to talk about that encounter and how that maybe opened your eyes to what was happening deeper.Well, thank you, Peter. So roughly, it was like July 2016. And I was rushing to a meeting in the Pentagon, you always go to the A-Rank so you can get you can spin around and come out to the, the other part of the Pentagon. You can get to anywhere part of in the Pentagon in eight minutes, if you know, know how to navigate. I was rushing to a meeting. That's what you do in the Pentagon, you rush to meetings and I was in the A-ring, the inner circle of the A-ring and I ran into somebody who had been a Bush appointee, somebody I trusted, somebody I worked with very closely together, somebody I looked at as a mentor, a friend and I just, we ran into each other.I said, well, what are you up to? Where are you going? He says, well, I'm being a greybeard.That's being a sage counsel during some something, some meeting. I'm a grey beard.And and I and I said, well, you know, I said, well, the didn't mean be political, but it was he was a Republican and a Republican appointee.And I said, well, the convention's coming up at this point in time.Trump had knocked out 16 in a row.I was originally a Cruz guy. But hey, after seeing 16 knockouts in a row, I'm Trump.OK. And I said, well, you're going to support Trump at the convention because I knew he was going to the convention. He said, this changed, first thing that changed my life was becoming a saved believer in Christ, but the second and not as important, but pretty important was what he said. He said, when I said, are you going to support Trump at the convention? He said, no, we see more opportunities with her.And I was just, for a second I was just, I didn't know what to say and then I almost lunged at him and I said, who is we and what opportunities do you see? And I just, everything flashed in front of my eyes and my career. I said, Donald J. Trump was right. There is a swamp, there is a deep state, and I just ran headlong right into it. I was shocked.And that, must, is you hadn't come across this in your time in the military. Maybe touch on how you made the step from, I guess, serving, you mentioned serving in Bosnia, how you, that move to actually being in the Pentagon, because the Pentagon is, I've driven past a number of times, and it's this iconic building. How did you end up actually physically being in there?Well, that's a very interesting question. So after 9-11, I was actually with another government agency at that time.I was in San Antonio. We home-schooled our son.I was at a big conference in San Antonio on 9-11, I had my son with me.He was in the room doing his work, but the TV was on. I
He said, Dad, you need to come to the TV, something's going on.So I said, oh my. So bottom line, once we got back to the DCC, which is a story in itself, it's in the book.I was actually sent to Central Command, Central Command, and I was in the J5, and I worked for Admiral Cunningham, Admiral Cunningham, not British fleet, Admiral Cunningham from earlier days, but I mean, this is American Navy, Admiral Cunningham.We had no standing con plan or contingency plan for Afghanistan, shockingly enough.We have a lot of what we call con plans, not for everything.And this is one we didn't have for Afghanistan. So I was working outside of the Admiral's office with me, somebody from another government agency, an army planner, and a couple of Air Force C-17 drivers.And so we're kind of trying to come up with the plan.And so his door would be open and Rumsfeld or my president would be on the line saying, what is the blankety blank plan? Give us something.And I felt like a script writer in Hollywood because we're outside, you know, okay, here's the deal. Here's what, here's the next one. They don't like that one.Okay, here's what we're going to do next. So anyway, we came up with the plan for Afghanistan.Shortly after that, I was sent to the Joint Staff because they needed a war planner inside what is called the J3 on the Joint Staff.This is the highest staff in the universe. This was, until woke-ism, the best staff in the universe, all due respect to Whitehall, and I love my British Five Eyes partners.And I've spent time in Whitehall, And I,  there's more on that in the book, but so I went to J3 Special Operations to finish off the Afghan plan, work on other places like Yemen, which is such a beautiful and lovely country and so friendly and nice.And then we started working on the plan for removing Mr. Hussein and started recruiting regime exiles and putting that plan together and executing that plan and going to Iraq to help stand up post-regime change government.So that's how I ended up in the Pentagon. That's how I ended up in the Pentagon.
Wow. There's another part of the book that you describe a chance encounter with someone, whether it's chance or not is another issue, but on your way to London, and I remember listening to this, you discussing sitting at dinner and a strange encounter there, which I guess further made you think of what was happening.Do you wanna explain that to the viewers?
Thank you, Peter. Yeah, this was October, first few days of October, six, seven, eight, nine, that area. And I was in, I was going to London for a Five Eyes meeting on information sharing. I was the American senior official to the Five Eyes information sharing, the five English speaking countries. On the plane, I saw somebody who had worked for years. He was a very senior FBI official, had retired. We chit chatted a bit on the plane and didn't quite understand what he was doing in London. But a few nights later.Dinner, totally unrelated to the Five Eyes meeting, a common friend of ours had been in London and was giving a dinner. And at the dinner, my call, my retired senior law enforcement colleague, we all stand up and kind of sing for our supper and tell what are we, what is it we're passionate about? And he had an absolute meltdown. Remember, this is 30 days out from the election, and an absolute meltdown about Trump. And we're going to prove that Trump is a Russian asset, which later, when he gave classified testimony to Adam Schiff and it was revealed, he totally said, we have nothing, we have nothing on Trump.So he, when he was, when he rose his right, when he gave, took an oath and was giving testimony, he said, we have nothing, we have nothing.But in this public thing, he says, we're going to prove Trump is a Russian asset.And I go, this is, this is insane.Well, I've never seen him so just crazed like this. And I'm looking around the room, you know, people are probably globalist elites and they're all going fine, because they're saying, oh, come on, Hillary's going to clean up the floor with this Trump guy. It's going to be a knockout. I go, this is crazy. This is crazy. 30 days before the election. And if you do the forensics, and I did the forensics later because I gave a large statement on this to the Durham investigation, is when I did the forensics, he was a good friend of Comey, I knew that he was a good friend of Comey.The only reason he would have been in London was to talk to chief of station.That's an American term for the senior CIA official, Chief of Station.Gina Haspel, Gina Haspel to finalize the Fusion GPS story, which was later proven to be fake.Everybody lied about it. It was stunning. And I'm going, what am I witnessing? Somebody I trust.I've been at many meetings at the White House, many meetings sitting across the table as we introduced the mass surveillance system from 2007-2014 and the Comprehensive National Cyber Security Initiative. And that was a good idea at the time. We're going to target bad people, terrorists. What could possibly go wrong?And I want to get on the Trump side. And you made one step from Cruz to Trump. I was Carson Cruz Trump, so I took another step on. But at the beginning, in the first part, you have a chapter simply entitled, What is the Deep State? And we have touched on this just once before, actually, in many interviews, only once with Alex Newman, and he's coming out from a commentator's point of view, but you're coming out of from someone who's served in the military.So a different aspect. So maybe you can explain, this is a term which I guess is, more familiar to our US audience and maybe our UK audience and is often, disparaged, dismissed and ridiculed, mocked and thrown out by the media, which makes you wonder when the media are throwing something out and dismissing something that makes you wonder why they are dismissive so quickly. But the deep state, maybe take a while and introduce what is actually the Deep State.Well, I think you can break the deep state down to three basic components.The first are the technocrats, and these are the senior ranking officials that kind of float in and out of government at the, as we're finding out, the fifth, I call it the fifth branch of government, the non-profits in America.They go to the think tanks. I'm all for think tanks. I'm all for, but I'm for transparency and accountability. I'm all for think tanks, but they float into university. I'm a college professor, university professor myself and do a graduate course. I'm all for that, but, they kind of float in and out. These are the Fauci's. These are the Fauci's. Now Fauci actually never left government. He was literally the highest paid bureaucrat in the US government, But he was not just a simple bureaucrat.He was a very senior technocrat that were, these are the ones that are the high priests of what is truth and what is the narrative.And they cannot be questioned or you will be blacklisted.You'll be side-lined if you dare question the technocrats. But then there's the bureaucrats.Those are the careerists.They can be uniformed military. They can be civilians, and I've been both.You take an oath in office of both, in uniform or as a civilian in the US government.But these are the bureaucrats that are beholden to the idea of no matter what the question is, the answer is government and more government.Doesn't matter what the question is, The answer is a government program.So you've got the technocrats, the bureaucrats, and then you've got the plutocrats. And these are the wealthy. Many of them dominate big tech. Nothing wrong with being wealthy. Nothing wrong with that at all, as long as it was properly and legally accrued. But they have immense wealth.And as we saw with, you know, with big tech, you know, Elon Musk, you know, Facebook, Amazon, Jeff Bezos, all these, you know, they have immense power in America. You also have the venture capitalists that, you know, we're finding out and I've been to many of them, There's Anne Greeson Horowitz, Kleiner Perkins, Sequoia, etc. on Sand Hill Road in Silicon Valley.So these plutocrats have immense wealth, nothing wrong with being wealthy, but they have undue influence and access because of that wealth.So those are the three major components of the deep state.
And I guess the deep state had no intention, the media had no intention, the establishment had no intention of Trump actually winning that election.And that changed the whole game. Suddenly someone was in the White House that was not part of the plan in whichever way you want to take that.Tell us about that because you talk about that the forces that are there that really were opposing Trump at every step.Yeah, absolutely.Government has grown out of control and there are those in government say they're conservative, they're not conservative, most of them, they're beholden to government and big government and all powerful government, but in early 2016, we started suddenly these meetings started happening where the Russians are meddling in the election again.Okay, well, interesting. And the cyber response group was a group that I was one of the original members of going back 2008, 2009. Because of several reasons, I would say I was eased out of that group. And these tremors and indicators were coming from the cyber response group.So in these very classified meetings, we start, several people start going, tee hee, tee hee, It's the Russians again, and they're very interested in this Trump guy.Very interested, and a lot of this is coming from our Five Eyes partners, because if you understand the American process of intelligence collection, we have very, what are supposed to be strict controls, but an end around that existed.It was not normally used, but used was when one of your Five Eyes partners would come up to the operations table, because at most of these, these operations centers, you normally have your five eyes partners who are, who are there right with you. So you got a Brit, you got, Canadian, and an Australian and, and maybe 25% of a New Zealander, because they have to cover everything. So...You know, you know, it too well.
So, and it's a wonderful partnership and it's a good partnership, but it's part of the basis for what spun out of control.So they could, you could come up and it's called, it's called a table drop where one of your partners, and this can be used in several situations, but you know, your back is turned, you know, you're at the, you're at the centre table on the watch floor.Of your Five Eyes partners walks up, you turn around, you turn back, and there's a piece of paper on the table. And it's like, ooh, what is that? Ooh, this is good. Ooh, it's very interesting. And, oh, it didn't come from us. So I don't have to worry if there is an American national in this collection because it didn't come from us.It didn't come from us. It came from one of our partners. So there was that aspect, because there was all these inferences that all of this was coming from our Five Eyes partners, that Trump was mocked and pilloried for daring to say, because remember, he brought that up. And everybody's, oh, come on, come on. What are you talking about? No, no, that's exactly what happened.That's exactly what happened. So a few days after the election, I was called by one of my careerist colleagues on the classified, the top secret phones, and John, you have got to be involved in this. We're standing up an interagency committee to finalize the Russian narrative anddelay or block Trump's first inauguration. I said, I just, I just, as soon as I sung up the phone, I just put my head in my hands on my desk. I said, I cannot believe this is going on. The simple short story is we ran the asset, but I'm a careerist. I took an oath of office.If Trump is a Russian asset, I want to know about it. So the bottom line, November, December of 2016, we spun up. The outcome was there were no dinosaurs in this dinosaur park. There was no information. So, so this is what, this is one of the, we have Intel community assessments. I've been involved in a number, national intelligence estimates.That's why we're spending $80 billion a year on the US intelligence community.And that's an unclassified number that it's released. It's right on the DNI website.And in this, there was no information. So in my write-up, because when that process, the package comes back to the departments and agencies, I write an action memo for the Secretary of Defense, who was Ash Carter, he's now dead.And I said, sir, my recommendation is not concur. There is no information that shows that Trump is a Russian asset.Even though the executive summary said Trump is a Russian asset, if you look in the body, there's nothing. We got nothing.And I was told John, stand down, cease and desist. Ash already signed his Comey and Brennan are personally hands on keyboard typing this very brief document.Which came out it's not the unclassified version is on the DNI website but if there's very little difference between these classified and top secret versions, its like what's the difference why do we even have two versions.And they Oh, John, John, you don't understand we said, small dog, but in the public version, we said puppy, all the difference in the world. Okay, I said, This is utterly ridiculous. But so you never get a director of CIA, or FBI, personally typing these memos, that's what you have a staff for. And so this was a total coup before to try and prevent block Trump from even getting into office, but that the war never ceased and never stopped to this day.John, I want to get on to the second book coming out. When you do anything with, I guess, the War Room Posse, having Stephen K. Bannon writing the intro, it becomes bigger and is part of a series now.But I want to, as a Christian, I'm intrigued by someone who talks about their faith as quite central, and listening to that, that came across, and it's, I guess, a balance against the deep state that wants to remove that and provide its own truth and security.But you talk about your Christian faith as providing, I guess, a foundation, a confidence, a certainty for you personally. How has that played, what importance has that played, I guess, in your career in the military and what you're doing now?
Well, we want to be, we live in this world as Christians, but we should not conform or be part of this world. Man, which includes man and woman, is imperfect and fallen, and we have to always realize that, but the secularist, those who want to drive God out of the public discussion are, it's all about me.It's about me, me, me, and we're perfect. We have,It is this presumption, and it's faulty, that we have ultimate knowledge of everything, and we are masters of our situation. We aren't. We aren't. And being a saved believer in Christ gives you what I call a known starting point in life, whether you're talking about position, navigation, or timing, or you're talking about life, it's a known starting point, and it sets you out differently. And I'll just give you a little vignette of why we should be different and just not fall into what is the trend of the day? Is it the cult of transgenderism? Is it this? Is it that? No, no, the book, Bible, King James Version, that's what I read, it's enduring, it transcends time, almost said the wrong word there, transcends time. And no matter what, it gives you a known starting point. And in the business of government or the business of business, in life, you're going to be have a lot of questionable situations, you're going to be put in whether you like it or not. And having a moral compass, that known starting point is a foundation, but a quick vignette. I used to have to travel with this Japanese general. And one time, he came up to me, and we were getting ready to go out on the day together to do some things. And he comes up to me. John, something is different about you, you're different, why are you different?And I said, well, sir, I looked around, I go, I just didn't expect this, I said, sir, I'm a saved believer in Christ, and I'd like to share that message with you of his plan of salvation.He was like, but it was an honour, this Japanese general, he'd seen something different in me. And I really appreciate that, respected it, and hopefully I was a good witness for Christ in that situation.I've stayed in contact with him and hopefully planted that seed.So that's where I think it's very important, Peter.John, thanks for sharing your faith story. As I said, it's always fascinating.And as I said before, what you started out, you may not have intended to be serious, I have no idea.I know that Worm has a habit of making things bigger and grander and growing things.And you're, the second book coming out, War Against the Deep State. When is this coming out?
It's available for pre-order now on thenationwillfollow.com.Should be out in the fall here, September, October time period, and it's a great follow-up book that gives, talks about several things.One of the big messages in The Nation Will Follow is in the American governance system, it's all about action, action, action at the county level.We have roughly 3,300 counties in America and county equivalents, a city can be a county.And it's all about government. It's all about the foundation of our governance.And if anybody is not happy with the way things are going in the swamp in D.C., the swamp in D.C. and the elite stand upon the shoulders of the nanny staters at the county level.What the left has done in America is, over 50 years, they've taken over the seven common centres of gravity in America and our county. It's the school board, county council, election board, registrar, judges, sheriffs, and prosecutors. We have to take those back. We've lost them over 50 years. In book two, we go into greater detail on that. We give some good success stories. We also talk about the foundations of the surveillance state, which I was one of the creators of, unfortunately, in the 2007 to 2014.So more- 
That's something that fascinates me because we have now seen live facial recognition across London, across the UK, widened out, and a huge abuse of, so we have the online safety bill coming in the UK, which will bring in the most, the biggest control, I guess, of what is said online.And I know that a number of, I know that Wikipedia, Signal, a number of others said they'll have to pull out of the UK.But talk to us about that mass surveillance state because that seems to be where we are going as a society.Well, in the book, Ordinance of the Deep State, I give the genesis and foundation of mass surveillance.And it was really, as the war on terror started, we realized we need to be better on scale. And now I've learned to be very careful about that word scale, globalists and elites and deep staters love the word scale, because they want to always control on scale. But yeah, tracking, hacking, individual cell phone is one thing or an individual computer is one thing. Doing it in an enduring manner on a mass scale is something very different. And you have to automate, you have to do it, use artificial intelligence, you can't just use throw more humans at the problem. So you have to create these structures. The foundation was the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative started during the, toward the end of the Bush period, Obama came on board, they did a review, they liked it, they loved it, they wanted more of it, so they poured gas on it. And it exploded because it's almost intoxicating to the policy person, to the senior official. And the question is not, it was not, it was no longer can we, the question should have been should we, because it got out of control.It just, it became, when you see the mass scale that is capable, that is possible, Everybody just,just goes bonkers they lose their minds they said yeah, it's you could get anything you want in split seconds and believe me, people don't understand this until we've actually sat in the, one of the control centres at one of the intelligence communities or five eyes partners and see what what what I mean by that because it's it's breath-taking what can be had, we seeHollywood versions. But a lot of this stuff is, and sometimes is even better, and it becomes dangerous because it starts to establish a mastery of government over the citizen.In the American system, definitely, the people are the owners of the government, not the other way around.But if you're one of the elite, going in and out of government, think tanks, universities, You don't worry about what the common folks say.It's irrelevant, because they're too stupid. And that's been said.I've seen that at the White House. I've heard that said at the White House on both the Bush and the Obama era.A citizen is too stupid to know what they want, yet we're going to decide for them.Verbatim, that's been said.And that's bad. That is really dangerous.Because then you start the pathway down to socialism, totalitarianism, communism, and that's dangerous.So these are tools and the campuses out in the Virginia countryside that have now been established are derived from that program.Actually, I managed, I was the DOD senior lead for that and I had budget oversight over immense amount of money.And a lot of those campuses out on the Virginia countryside were born from that program. And so no longer do we have your old school CIA operative trying to buy off somebody in some remote country. I mean, that's dangerous. It's dirty.You don't get to see the kids and family at night. So why don't you just do it remotely and do it remotely. But it also became exciting because, what, who cares about what's going overseas. What about domestically? Why don't we just use it to start unmasking those Americans and expose what those Americans are saying in these intercepts? We're supposed to be focused on the foreign threat. No, no, no, we don't care about the foreign threat. We want to know who's opposing Obamacare? Who's opposing the growth of government? Who doesn't agree with us? And we just had an incredibly important court order.I'm number 862 on the Twitter top 10,000 of those silenced by Twitter, you know, and we just had an incredible court finding where a federal judge in Louisiana said, hold on federal government.You can't collude with big tech. You are not allowed to collude with big tech on this. He goes, I don't, this is wrong. You cannot do this. We knew, everybody knew about this. We knew about this. We knew about this. And, you know, and Merrick Garland's Department of Justice, instead of saying, you're right, judge, we shouldn't collude with big tech to spy on American citizens.Merrick Garland is, and just got overruled, introduced a petition to, you know, stay that judge's ruling. Why? Because DHS CISA on Glebe Road wants to continue what they call the customer access portal, where government officials can directly reach into big tech and social media and identify and throttle American citizens. And again, that's very important for me.I have a legal team working on a filing.This was a huge, huge finding for this judge to, to, to cease this program and we need to know the truth. And who's leading this right now? Jenny Silly.Jenny Silly, retired Army O5 from, spent a lot of time at Fort Meade, very close to Keith Alexander, the former director of NSA and, and Cyber Command.And she was one of the ones I worked on in the early days of the CNCI.And she's upset, Biden's upset that they can't collude with big tech to silence America.Ladies and gentlemen, we got to fight.We got to fight and we got to bring down the deep state because they will, they will destroy every one of us.And I know that, although I watched it closely, and I know you talk about that, the cancer of big government and that big tech collusion. Maybe I could ask you about the Durham report, because obviously many of those in position of power have done all they can do. They failed to keep Trump out in 2016, but they've done all they can do to try and discredit him.And that's been part of the Durham report. Do you want to just let us know how that has transpired?What kind of has been the outcome of that? 
Well, I gave a number of statements. I had to update them as more truth was revealed to the Durham investigation. And I know we didn't get a slam dunk home run or whatever the British sports appropriate British sports term is.We didn't get a, yeah, I know Steve Bannon and others, I mean, I wasn't totally happy, but there were many good things that came out.Now, first of all, I'd say the mere fact that Durham was able to release a report, if you, understand the deepest part of the deep state is the Department of Justice and the Department to Justice front office.I worked with them closely during the Trump years and getting anything out of the DOJ front office was a miracle.Because they hated Trump and they were totally undermining Barr, even though Barr was in the end the best anyway either, but they were totally undermining Barr, everything.So the mere fact that he got it out was incredible.The second thing was he also, It was a horrific indictment, informal indictment of the entire federal law enforcement and intelligence community.The third, I would say, now I think this was part of the negotiation between Bulldog Durham and Garland to get the report out is, yeah, you've got this FBI retired guy McGonigal, the senior executive, he's been arrested, indicted for taking payoffs from the Russians, but we're not gonna call it part of the Durham report.We're just gonna announce it, it's gonna be separate, and we're not gonna connect it to the Durham report.Very likely information I gave at Durham led to McGonigal, and for everybody's reference, Charles McGonigal in 2015, 2016 was the senior FBI official in charge of counterintelligence in the FBI field office, the largest FBI field office.And so here's the guy who's supposed to be investigating Russia interference in the election, Russia penetration of the Trump campaign, and he retires and is arrested for what?Unlawfully working for the Russians. Now, of course, the pious elitist would say, oh, but he was retired. It has nothing to do with his government service. Oh, come on.These things just don't come out of thin air. Those tentacles of him working for the Russians go back years, years before he retired. So it was a huge finding. The guy who was supposed to be the trusted FBI chief in charge of Russia, Russia, Russia, has been arrested. His whole life is a mess now. He's going to prison, I guarantee that. And he's been arrested for working for the Russians. So that was huge. Now there's also five in, they're called criminal referrals, oftentimes just simplified to referrals. You never, I didn't get through 35 plus years of government service never being charged or indicted without understanding intimately the traps and the unforced errors of the environment, but you never want your name to be associated with a referral. That is known as a bad thing. Five criminal referrals are on page 11 of Durham. Well, three of those five sure sound an awful lot like information that I gave to the Durham investigation. So not a home run, maybe not even a triple, but there was good things that came out of the Durham report and these things take time. It's not over yet and we got to just keep on fighting and swinging. And as somebody from England said, never ever, ever, ever give up, never, ever surrender.Absolutely. Colonel Retired John Mills, I so appreciate you coming on. As I said, I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the book. If I can just bring it up once again to encourage, whether you're US, UK, Europe, you can get a hold of it either as a physical book or as an audiobook and then part two, the next part of the series is coming very soon.John said the fall for American viewers, autumn for UK viewers.It is coming soon, but do get a copy.You'll really enjoy reading, understanding what lies behind a lot of what we are seeing and it will educate you massively. 
So John, I appreciate you coming on.Thank you so much for your time today.
Peter, thank you so much. Honoured to be on with you, all my UK brothers and sisters and all freedom-loving people in Europe. Thank you so much, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

No guest this week as Peter is on his family holidays and is up a mountain, somewhere in South East Europe,but as always, our intrepid leader has a lot to say on some of the news stories, headlines and on social media from the past seven days.Topics up for discussion this episode....- Home Secretary Suella Braverman is under pressure to scrap refugee barge plan after legionella found.- Channel Migrants: The boats are getting bigger.- Hunter Biden: Naming Weiss Special Counsel may not change much.- BBC playing psychological games, as ever. Meet a "typical' NHS junior doctor.- Disney has a 'Dylan Mulvaney' moment as it partners with gender fluid influencer to promote clothing for girls.- Horse-Paste? FDA lawyer declares that doctors can prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19.- More young people are dying – and it's not COVID. Why aren't we searching for answers?- Special "vaccines" for covid employees.- Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's...... Lesbian-Nana!  
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.He is a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Recorded 12.8.23
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Links to articles discussed...Refugee barge https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrivalEnglish Channelhttps://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1689592537407696896?s=20Hunter Bidenhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/11/us/weiss-special-counsel-hunter-biden.htmlNHS junior doctorhttps://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1689916513786937344?s=20Disneyhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12391645/They-learned-Bud-Light-Disney-sparks-outrage-partners-trans-TikTok-influencer-Seann-Altman-seen-dressing-Minnie-Mouse-themed-red-frock-yellow-heels-bow-promote-girls-clothing.htmlIvermectin https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/doctors-can-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid-19-fda-5456584It's not COVIDhttps://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/08/11/more-americans-dying-than-before-pandemic-covid-deaths/70542423007/Special "vaccines" https://rumble.com/v367s7u-20-second-clip-special-vaccines-for-covid-employees.html

Brandon Straka - #WalkAway Campaign and My J6 Story

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Many of you will have seen Brandon Straka in tears after Trump won the Presidential election in 2016. He was a staunch Democrat, distraught at Hillary losing the election and his tears may have amused you then, but fast forward a few years and he is now one of Donald Trump's biggest supporters. Brandon joins Hearts of Oak to discuss why he stepped away from the Democrat Party and started the #WalkAway movement, with a vision to help encourage others just like him to abandon the divisive left. He also got caught up in the J6 madness, on the day Brandon went to Washington DC and moved with the crowd to the steps of the Capitol building, filming on his smartphone. He did not enter the building and left shortly after. Because of this, his house has been raided, his good name dragged through the courts and he has been targeted simply for being there on the day.
Brandon Straka is the founder of the #WalkAway campaign, a former liberal and former democratic party supporter who has very publicly walked away from the political left and created a social movement encouraging others to do the same.     His original YouTube video about his decision to leave the Democratic Party went viral in May of 2018, launching this explosive movement, uniting Americans across all demographics to leave the divisive left.Brandon frequently provides commentary on Fox News as a recurring guest on Justice with Jeanine Pirro, Fox & Friends, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and many more. His hour long, in-depth interview with Mark Levin on Life, Liberty, and that exposed millions to Brandon and the #WalkAway Campaign. President Trump publicly acknowledged his success in organizing the first ever #WalkAway March on Washington DC, with over 5,000 attendees. Brandon’s charismatic leadership and the #WalkAway message of unity and standing up against the left’s attack on American ideals resonates with people around the globe.Born and raised in rural Nebraska and now a resident of New York City, Brandon travels the nation promoting the #WalkAway Campaign message and sharing his desire to bring a new awareness and understanding to the reality of politics in America today and his mission to unify America.
Connect with Brandon and #WalkAway...WEBSITE:      https://www.brandonstraka.com/                     https://walkawaysocial.com/X:                  https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka?s=20                     https://twitter.com/RealWalkAway?s=20GETTR:          https://gettr.com/user/brandonstrakaRUMBLE:       https://rumble.com/user/BrandonStraka
Interview recorded 20.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Brandon Straka. He started the walk away movement when he walked away from the Democrat Party and went to the Republican Party, and we discuss why he set that up. Many people are disillusioned, but few start a movement, and the walk away campaign has been championed by everyone.Kari Lake recently, Donald J. Trump supported it and promoted it, and he was on every TV station whenever he launched the campaign. So we talk about that and why he got involved in that.And then on to J6, he's been caught up in January the 6th simply for filming outside on that day.And he talks about the FBI raiding his house, like a SWAT team holding them for days in jail.And what has happened in that? And also the lack of support from the Republicans.They clamoured for his support on the walk away campaign, but don't seem to be as interested in his story on J6. A lot to discuss and you will love listening to Brandon and you'll love his website which is one of the quirkiest websites I have come across in quite a a while.Brandon Straka, it is wonderful to have you with us. Thank you so much for your time today.
(Brandon Straka)
Thanks for having me. 
Not all great to have you and Brandon's links are @BrandonStraka on social media, brandonstraka.com website, and of course he's the founder of the #WalkAway campaign, former liberal, former democratic party supporter who publicly walked away in 2018. We'll get into to all of that and walkawaysocial.com.All the links are in the description. Please do check it out.But Bran, before I go into your background, I just want to bring up your website because I love your website. It stands out.It's that Batman, Robin cartoon nostalgia.I absolutely love it. I looked down and thought, I feel so jealous.So I just love your website.
Thank you. Oh, that's very kind. I, yeah, we, I designed that several years ago. And kind of meticulously worked with a graphic designer to put it all together. And it's, I'm glad to hear you say that because, you know, obviously the last couple of years of my life have been less than fun. And so sometimes, I don't know, sometimes I look at that website now and I'm like, does that really reflect who I am and how I feel and whatever?But ultimately, I'm glad to hear that somebody else loves the way that it looks, so that's good to hear. Thank you.
It just gave me a big smile. Good. I know the content is great, but just that that hit you at the beginning, so thank you for that.But Brandon, maybe go back to maybe give a little bit of your intro to our probably 80 percent, 75% UK audience, 20% US audience.Maybe give a little intro to yourself and then on to what it meant to define yourself as a liberal and part of or follower of the Democratic Party.Sure. Yeah, so basically, I guess my story is, obviously, I'm an American citizen who grew up in the Midwest in a small town in a state called Nebraska. I don't know how familiar people in the UK are with our states, but it's, you know, very kind ofagriculture driven state, lots of corn and cows and things like that. And that's where I grew up. I'm a gay guy who knew early on in life that I was gay. So to me, it was kind of important that I wanted to get out of a very kind of rural environment. And I always, well, and, you know, I don't know if it's to what degree it's because I'm gay or not, but I'm also, I think in my blood, just sort of a city person. So always wanted to move to New York City or somewhere kind of very fast paced and exciting. So after I graduated from high school, I moved to New York City. And, you know, I was a liberal my entire life. A lot of that was very influenced, I think, by the fact that I was gay growing up at a time when gay rights and gay cultural issues were very much wedge issues in politics and culture. And so I naturally found myself a part of the Democratic Party and the ideology of liberalism and all of my friends were liberals.I moved to New York City because I wanted to pursue an artist's life, really.I mean, I act and I sing and I consider myself a creative person.And so I wanted to kind of just go and live that kind of life at that kind of pace and sort of find my way.And so I adhered and I was very much devoted to the Democrat party, my entire adult life up until the year 2017, which would have been, um, you know, immediately after the 2016 election, between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, I voted for Hillary in 2016. I had just come off of voting for Barack Obama twice, in 2000, what eight in 2012. And, I was convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to win because that's what the media kept telling us was going to happen.I mean, they kept saying that Donald Trump was, you know, dangerous and deranged and his followers were dangerous and deranged, but they also kind of kept saying, but don't really worry about it too much because his, he's got no chance of winning.She's going to win in a landslide.It's going to be the most insane upstate, you know, landslide victory in history and actually on election day in 2016 they gave her like a 97 to 99 percent chance of winning. I remember reading polls that day that said he had a three percent or less chance of winning.Obviously, that's not how the election turned out. And so when he got elected in November of 2016, I was shattered and devastated and confused and I was angry and I was scared.Because again, the media that I trusted kept saying that this was a rise in bigotry and white supremacy and homophobia and xenophobia and all of these different things.And so I spent about two weeks after the 2016 election paralyzed with fear and anger and resentment and I mean, to the point of almost feeling somewhat dysfunctional because the media had really brainwashed everybody on the left to believe that anybody who supported Donald Trump was a horrible person who wanted to do harm to minorities and take people's rights away and roll back, you know, our progress and all of these different things.So, you know, even living in New York City, as I did, I spent weeks after the 2016 election walking down the street or being on the subway and kind of just looking around and being like, did you vote for him?Did you vote for him? Did you vote for him? You know, just one, because obviously people did.And so I was just wondering, well, where, who are all these covert bigots that live amongst us and how much danger am I actually in?And so after a few weeks of going through this kind of paralyzing fear and anxiety and all these things, I thought to myself, this is going to be a very long and very miserable four years if I don't try to get some sort of understanding about what happened.And so initially I just kind of went on this journey to understand two things.How did the media get it so wrong?And two, why would anybody vote for Donald Trump? And that started this journey.And I've been talking for a while, so I'll stop. But that's what began the journey of exploration, to try to understand how this happened and how the media got it so wrong. Then there were more specific moments that ultimately led to the switch in me.
Yeah, I've watched your videos you put out and you talk about friends sending you video clips and showing what the media tried to cover up.But I guess probably for me being someone on the right, I would have looked at your videos and enjoyed them, the ones of you crying and mocked. I think those of us on the right tend to mock those on the left, instead of winning them over.But so that's why I love the whole walkaway campaign because you've tried to win people over.So tell us how you went from all the way on the Democrat side to actually realizing that Trump wasn't really as bad as what he was made out, to actually beginning to pull people over because you could have just walked away from the Democrat party and that was it.
Yeah, you're right. Okay, so while I was kind of on this exploratory journey, there was this moment that happened that was completely transformative.And that was in January of 2017, would have been right around the time he was about to take office.I had posted on Facebook that essentially that I would never be able to understand how anyone could vote for a man who was capable of mocking a reporter's disability in front of a cheering crowd.You know, and you know, what the hell is wrong with this guy?What is wrong with all of you that voted for him? You know, what happened to the heart and soul of people in middle America or on the conservative side of the aisle?And that's when a woman named Diane, who used to babysit me when I was a kid, reached out to me privately. She sent me a link to a YouTube video that was entitled debunking that Trump mocked the disabled reporter.And she sent me this video that you know when I first saw the title of the video I was kind of outraged and just sort of like, oh god. This is gonna be more right-wing, propaganda and brainwashing and then I got kind of excited to watch it. So because I was like oh, I can't wait to watch this so I can tell her how stupid she is for falling for it. And so I click play and what I saw was a compilation of footage showing Donald Trump numerous times throughout the years, even back before he ran for president, doing that same voice and that same gesture that he did at his rally that day when he was accused of mocking a reporter's disability.But the commonality in every instance was that he was imitating somebody or making fun of somebody who was caught in a lie.Somebody who was flustered and somebody who was flailing because they had been caught doing something shady or being dishonest.And so it showed very conclusively and compellingly that Donald Trump did not mock that reporter's disability.What he was making fun of was the fact that that reporter who happened to be disabled had been caught in a lie.And so it really opened my eyes for the first time and a light went on sort of going, wait a minute.First of all, he obviously didn't really make fun of that reporter's disability, but second of all, if he didn't do that, why are outlets like CNN and MSNBC and others trying to make me believe that he did.And so that's when this journey that I was going on went into overdrive because I was like, well, how often is this happening?You know, because they very effectively manipulated my emotions and my outrage and my anger to make me believe something happened that didn't happen.And obviously with an intent to elicit some sort of reaction from me, that was very disturbing.So, how often is this happening and why?And so for the next several months, I basically did a deep dive trying to research how often the media is lying and manipulating and what the end game is and how often this is happening. And what I ultimately discovered is that it's constant, it's relentless, it's happening all the time. And they're putting a particular focus on if you're black or brown or LGBT or a minority of some kind, they're manipulating everybody.But if you're a minority, they're specifically targeting you and manipulating and exploiting your fear, your feeling of disenfranchisement, your feeling that you don't, have the same opportunities or the same chance in this country as other people do.And they're exploiting all of that. And they're doubling down and making you, they're never letting you forget that, that feeling inside of you, they're reinforcing it and making you believe that it's true.And then they're also telling you, and the only thing that you can do about this feeling that you have is support the democratic party, is be a part of the ideology of the political left, because these are the only people that care about you. This is, these are the only people that are looking out for your best interests are fighting on your behalf.And the Republicans hate you. The Republican party is out to get you.They want to take your rights away. They want to suppress you.They want to drive you out of the country.They want to cease your existence.And when I discovered that, I became really, really outraged, really outraged as a gay man, particularly.And so I made the decision to walk away from the Democratic Party and the left-wing media that I had been trusting.I felt hugely betrayed and outraged.And then I, it was a while later, I didn't walk away from the Democratic Party and instantly become a Republican or a Trump supporter.Supporter. That actually took the better part of six to eight or nine months of continued research and talking to people and watching videos and reading and understanding and researching.But ultimately, by the end of 2017, I did end up becoming a Trump supporter. I did end up registering as a Republican. And then the next year, 2018, that's over the course of that year and into 2018, I mean, I lost like 90% of my friends, maybe more. I had people turning on me who had known me my entire life. And not just turning on me, you know, creating vicious rumours that I was, that I joined a cult, that I was brainwashed, that I, you know, I'm sober. I quit drugs and alcohol eight and a half years ago at that time, I guess four years. And people were saying that I had relapsed, that I was drinking, that that I was doing drugs, all this different stuff.And I got so fed up with it.Which was really, I mean, like bullying and attacking and anything that they could do to pressure me, to silence me.Because at that point, I mean, I was an unknown person. I was just a regular guy living in New York City who was having this experience, but I was being attacked by my own friends and my own colleagues and family members.And so I just, I got really angry and fed up. And I just said, you know what?I'm gonna sit down and write down all of the reasons why I'm walking away from liberalism and the Democratic Party.And I'm going to shoot a video, put it out on my social media.And then anybody who wants to walk out of my life can do it once and for all.And whoever's left, I guess I'll know those are my real friends and people I can count on.So I wrote the script and I shot the video and I put it together and I showed it to some of my friends and they were like, this is amazing.This is bigger than just putting it on your Facebook page or, you know, whatever for your friends to see there, there's gotta be a lot of people in this country and maybe the whole world who are feeling the same way you're feeling, bullied, pushed away, ready to leave the political left, pushed away from the Democrat party, the ideology of liberalism.But they're also being bullied and basically treated the way people would treat somebody who's leaving a cult, you know, and all of these sort of bully tactics to get them to not leave. And, maybe there's an opportunity here to bring people together.And so I created a Facebook group called #walkaway campaign, and I put the video out and I just said, look, if you're feeling the same way I'm feeling, please join this group and share your own story.And it just exploded. I mean, the video went out and it got millions and millions of views.People started joining #walkaway campaign by the tens of thousands and thousands of videos and written testimonials coming into people telling their stories why they're walking away.And then by the end of 2020, which was two and a half years after I started #WalkAway, it had grown to 511,000 people who had joined, and we had tens of thousands of videos.And then on January 8th of 2021, my team and I woke up and Facebook had taken everything.They banned the group.They banned our personal accounts.All the content was gone. The group was gone. The membership was gone. Everything was gone.Facebook just flipped the switch and took it all away.
Well, let me ask you before we get to end off on J6, but I mean, that's a hell of a journey, how did it feel for you personally, someone who's a private individual supporting the Democrat Party privately to now being a public figure on the right championed by Trump.I mean, Kari Lake, who we're having on in a week, for her to call you out, say how much she loves what you're doing.Must kind of be, that that move from one side to the other, but from private to public, you must sit and think at times, this is just crazy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I'll tell you something.So okay, let's go back and kind of like explore that a little bit.So I released this video, right?I did that on May 26 of 2018. Within about a week, I started getting contacted by like little podcasts and little like AM radio stations, local stations, things like that.And I was so excited, so excited. I was just like, Oh my God, somebody wants to talk to me.Like someone cares what I think about anything like that's cool.So I said yes to everything. And I mean, to a certain degree, I still do, because I just, I think, first of all, I think it's important to always stay humble.And second of all, I think it's important to spread the message wherever, whenever you can.So, you know, every like I was getting calls from little radio stations and little podcasts and stuff.And I was like, yes, yes, yes. And then over the course of the next six weeks, it just grew and grew and grew and grew.And I started getting, you know, national radio interviews and some bigger name podcasts and things like that.But it was six weeks after I launched #walkaway.I got contacted by the Tucker Carlson show and they were like, you know what you're doing is amazing. We'd love to have you come on and talk about #walkaway.And I was like, now I had never done a television interview in my entire life. I had never been on television so my first experience going on television was on the number one cable television news show, in the entire country that was my entrée into the world of going on television.So Tucker had me on that night.And then the next night I was asked to come on the Laura Ingraham show.And then the day after that I was asked to come on the Charles Payne show on Fox.And then the day after that I was asked to come on Fox and Friends.And then the day after that I was asked to come on Judge Janine's Saturday night show on Fox. So I did Fox every single night that week.And then #walkaway was just everywhere. It was just like on everybody's mind, on everybody's lips, and everybody was making #walkaway videos. And they were getting like hundreds of thousands to millions of views.And then, yes, I was just kind of getting asked to go everywhere and, and do all this stuff.But here's the thing, definitely there were like little private moments where I would go, oh my God, this is crazy.You know, this is crazy.But it meant so much to me, and it still does. It means as much to me today as it did five years ago when things were going great, and things are, the last couple of years have been very, very difficult.But it means as much to me today as it did five years ago.I didn't spend much time, at all thinking about like, oh my God, this is amazing. Or what I did is amazing. Or this is crazy. My, I mean, once I felt like I had been given a gift and an opportunity to, I wanted to create a community and a movement that would support people to walk away from the democratic party. To me, it felt like a responsibility. So I didn't spend a lot of time being like, Oh my God, like, isn't it amazing that I'm on TV all the time? I was just like, we just got to keep that. How do we keep it growing? How do we keep it moving? What's the next right step? What's the next right thing to do? What's the, you know, and that's part of the reason why it's really,  I don't even think about this either. But like it, if I sat around and thought about how tragic it is, that Facebook took the group away and took the the community away, because honest to God, of all people in the entire country or the world, I probably got to enjoy it less than anybody. Because I didn't, I didn't have time to watch walkaway videos or read the posts in the community or, you know, I brought on a ton of volunteer, moderators and admins, and they were moderating all the posts and moderating the group and keeping everything going. I was out speaking in colleges and doing media interviews and doing public appearances and traveling the country, talking about walk away, walk away, walk away, doing the #walkaway events, town halls debates. I hardly got to even look at or enjoy the thing that I had created.And my thought was, let's just get through the 2020 election, cause this is like a freight train that's just going and going and going. And after we get through the 2020 election, things are going to calm down a little bit.And then I'm going to take like a month, just like, I'm just going to sit there and just watch walkaway videos and just like deep dive into the group and just enjoy it. And they took it away before I got a chance to do that.I'd love to ask you more but I want to end off on J6 because your story going from one side to the other, you couldn't have gone further over to being caught up in what has happened and I saw a video of you recently once again going for like drugs tests or something. Your story, but also possibly the the lack of support and I've watched this from afar of the Republican Party of those and we've had Jake Lang on who's languishing there in a DC cell, we followed others.And it's quite unbelievable that those who are caught up in the J6 stuff don't have the 100%, 110% support of the Republican Party. But how did you get caught up and kind of tell us about that, lack of support, if that's a fair enough comment? 
Totally fair. Yeah, so I was asked to be a speaker at a permitted event on Capitol grounds on January 6th.And so I travelled to DC with the intent and understanding that I was going to speak at the Capitol after the event at the Ellipse that President Trump spoke at.The event was always called March to Save America. The media cannot stop lying about January 6th.So the media wants you to think it was this event called Stop the Steal and that there was never like a march or that there was never a plan to go to the Capitol, that Trump told everyone to storm the Capitol.Not at all. I mean, everyone knew that we were gonna sit there and watch the president speak, that we were all gonna march to the Capitol and that there was another event at the Capitol.Everyone always knew that.I don't know why people decided to start breaking windows and going inside the Capitol.That started while all the rest of us were listening to President Trump speak.He didn't know it was happening.We didn't know it was happening. No one had any clue. So when he got done speaking and said, Let's go to the Capitol.That was always the plan. So I travelled over to the Capitol to do my speaking engagement, and as I was arriving, I started getting text messages from friends and colleagues, people saying, we're hearing on the news that people are going inside the building. And I thought, that sounds unusual. So I started shooting a video, and I walked up on the east side of the Capitol. That's the side I was coming in from. Now, it was the opposite side, the west side, where people were breaking barriers and fighting with police officers and breaking windows and all that craziness and commotion, which I still didn't know about, was happening on the west side.I was coming in from the east side. So when I arrived, there were zero police officers on the east side grounds. Zero. None. Huge crowd. Thousands of people all over the grounds and thousands of people up on the steps of the Capitol. Now, they weren't trying to get inside the Capitol. They weren't like, you know, they were all facing away from the Capitol, holding signs, singing songs, things like that.But when I got to the crowd of people on the steps, there was a man standing at the top, motioning down and shouting.They've opened the doors. They're letting us in. We're going inside. We're going inside.So I walked up to the top of the stairs. And when I got there, there were two large doors on the east side of the Capitol that were wide open and there was a crowd of hundreds of people.And some of them were trying to push their way in, and the rest of them were just kind of shooting a video, like I was doing.So I shot a video for eight minutes, and then a man came outside of the Capitol and got on a bullhorn and said, "'They've cleared Congress, everyone left the building, "'move out, move out.'" So I immediately, at that point, turned around and left.I never went inside the Capitol on January 6th. I didn't commit any violence, any vandalism, any theft, any destruction, and I left.And then I uploaded the video that I had just shot to Twitter.And then two and a half weeks later, an FBI, a team of FBI agents in tactical gear stormed my apartment, got me out of bed, put me in handcuffs, started stripping my apartment of my phones, my computers, my hard drives, my thumb drives, camera equipment, took me to jail.I spent several days in jail. And when I got out, I learned that I was being charged with multiple felonies and a misdemeanour.And while I was in jail, the news had, the same media that I walked away from, two and a half years before that, had written, is international news that the founder of the #walkaway movement had stormed the Capitol on January 6th and was encouraging violence and encouraging people to attack police officers, and encouraging a civil war.It was so insane. It was so insane. And basically this, I mean, it was just, it was nuts. I ended up within a week or two after getting out of jail, I got permanently banned by PayPal, Venmo, Stripe, Patreon, all my email services, my donor portals, we lost our Facebook group.I mean, it was just a mass annihilation of my life and they wouldn't even treat you like a person.I mean, when you would reach out and be like, why did you cancel my PayPal account?Why did you cancel whatever? The only response you would get was.Our investigation showed that you have engaged in political violence and this decision is permanent.It cannot be appealed.Don't come back. I even had one company tell me, if you come back to us, we're going to, you'll be hearing from our lawyers.Like, don't even try to respond to this or you'll be potentially involved in a legal situation.So there was no conversation. There was no reasoning with people.I got put on a TSA terrorism watch list.So when I tried to get on airplanes, I have a designation, what they call SSSS, where they put you through hours of screening with like nine TSA agents who, like, it's just insane what they put you through.And then when you get through it, they follow you around the airport.Sometimes they have dogs.It's nuts. But in the end, after a year, I ended up taking a plea deal, pleading guilty to a misdemeanour.And on that misdemeanour, I ended up getting jail time, three months of house arrest, three years of federal probation, community service, maximum fine, $5,000.And then I'm also now being sued by Capitol Police officers who I never met, I never saw, I never encountered on January 6th, but they're being funded by a Soros-funded non-profit law firm, and they're suing me and Donald Trump and a number of other people alleging, aiding and abetting assault and battery and all of these.I mean.It's indescribable what is happening in Washington DC, and the ways in which these institutions are weaponized to try to destroy anybody that they possibly can who somehow got involved in the January 6th narrative.And I'm of particular interest to them because I am the founder of the #walkaway movement.I'm trying to encourage people to leave the political left.And yeah, and as I've gone through all of this, which, by the way, has driven at least five people to suicide, five other J6ers who, at minimum, that's just who we know of.There are others we may not even know.But the way that people have been brutalized by these institutions and by the left-wing media has driven numerous people to kill themselves.I didn't make that decision, although it did cross my mind several times.And yeah, barely a word of support from anybody in the conservative movement, whether it's conservative influencers, media.I just got done telling you in this interview, the support that I had from the biggest cable news institutions when I created the #walkway campaign.But suddenly when I got arrested because of January 6th, it's like I was dead. I was a ghost. I didn't exist anymore. No one wants to talk to me.And members of Congress, the former president, I mean, it's just nothing, silence, total silence.And so anybody who's been ensnared into this J6 trap has had to endure all of this on their own with no help and no support. And as I said, I mean, it's been so devastating to people that a number of people have even chosen to take their own lives because of it.Wow. Brandon, I appreciate you coming on and sharing. I mean, two huge subjects, walking away from the left and J6, I know is ongoing, is still a hugely hot topic. So thanks for coming on and sharing what is happening. I know people can follow that on your social media and on the coolest website I've seen for a while. So they can see all of that there. So thanks for your time today. 
You're welcome. Thank you. And if I could just quickly tell people too, because because there was so much to unpack, we couldn't get into all of it.Facebook did take our group away, but one of the ways in which my team and I are fighting back is by launching our own social platform. So we are rebuilding the walkaway movement one person at a time with our own social media app called Walkaway Social.And this people can load this by going to the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store, it's called Walkaway Social.Right now it's for American users only. I am looking to expand that to make it worldwide.But if anybody's watching who is in the United States of America and keep checking back as we expand to global users, go to your app store, load WalkAway Social, join our community, and share your story.Whether you walked away from the political left or you support those who do, we want to hear from all of you.Yep, that's it right there. So people can go to walkawaysocial.com, and there's links there to load the apps.Get on there, watch the videos, share them on Twitter, Facebook, anywhere that you are, and upload your own story and support this movement as we fight our way back, please.Okay, it's there, make use of it. Everyone watching and listening, all the links will be in the description. Brandon, thanks so much for being with us today.
Thank you.

Avi Yemini - A Rebel From the Start: Setting the Record Straight

Show notes and Transcript
Avi Yemini is an Aussie dynamo. He brought his energy and determination to speak truth to the world, first through TR news and now heads up Rebel News Australia as the Chief Oz correspondent. He joins us to discuss his newly published autobiography "A Rebel From The Start: Setting The Record Straight". Working with Tommy Robinson and then with Ezra Levant has made him a target for the legacy media and political authorities, a lot has been written about Avi and the establishment have sought to neutralise him by demonising him. None of this has worked and in this book he tells his story for the first time. This is Avi as you have not seen or heard him before, giving the other side to the media's lies.
Avi Yemini is the Australia Bureau Chief for Rebel News. He's a former Israeli Defence Force marksman turned citizen journalist. Avi's most known for getting amongst the action and asking the tough questions in a way that brings a smile to your face.
A Rebel From The StartAvi Yemini: Setting the Record StraightAvailable in paperback or e-book from... https://www.rebelfromthestart.com/ and Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rebel-Start-Setting-Record-Straight/dp/B0C91KG18N/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=avi+yemeni&sr=8-1 
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Interview recorded 20.7.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview with Avi Yemini joining us once again and we're looking at his book A Rebel From the Start. Avi Yemini setting the record straight and there is a lot to set straight. He has been in the target hairs of the media, of the government, of the legal system and we obviously go into his background, big family, troubled difficult background and how he pulled his life together partially through the military and joining the Israeli military and how that really made him. And then on the journalism side, obviously working with Tommy and then working with Rebel, with Ezra, and how he's been a voice of reason during the COVID tyranny. He's been my go-to source certainly for Australian issues and he has been fearless.He has faced punishment for that. We look in the legal battles that he's faced, not only the media attacking his family and how he's had to defend them and fight for his kids.But also how he has gone through the courts and got the Victorian authorities to issue an apology for how they treated him as he was reporting on the news.Lots. I know you love listening to Avi, who is a little Aussie dynamo.Avi Yemini, it is wonderful to have you back with us again. Thanks so much for joining us today.
(Avi Yemini)
Thanks for having me, mate.
Not at all. It's been ages but obviously you have a book out which is telling your story.A rebel from the start, Avi Yemini setting the record straight and a lot's been written about you. You've been the target of many attacks and there's a lot to set straight. It is available in the UK. It is available anywhere on the website but also directly on Amazon.Those are your handles on Twitter and rebelfromthestart.com you can buy directly there or as I said on Amazon or anywhere else. Avi, first of all can I ask you why you put pen to paper. You're busy, you do so much stuff, you seem to be everywhere, filming, finding stories, working hard for Rebel there in Australia. It takes a lot of time and discipline, I guess, to set everything else aside and actually put pen to paper. So what made you actually write the book?Yeah, absolutely. Look, writing is difficult for me especially. I found it really hard, but, it was a project that I set myself to because for so many years now, probably six, seven years, they've been writing about me. And over the last few years, especially the last four or five years, some of those issues I wasn't even able to answer. So you had these people dragging my name through the mud, smearing me and whilst knowing I can't even respond.So finally, when I could respond to those issues, I thought, I'm going to write my entire story from beginning to end or till current to essentially set the record straight.So it's called A Rebel From The Start because that's pretty much as you read from day one, I was pretty much a rebel.The subtitle is setting the record straight because I'm finally, you finally get the chance to actually hear my story from me, somebody who's actually lived the entire story instead of people that want to cherry pick little bits that they've, managed to find that suits their version of me, that they want people, they want to portray.Right back to the beginning, you're obviously the first chapter and it does fit you, a born attention seeker.You're a big character, you enjoy the limelight and your videos show, you kind of use that to your advantage.You play on that and you connect with the audience using that.But I mean, really big family born into, you had issues with many things.Do you want to touch on that? Because your story is a story of actually struggling in areas and then actually changing your life and turning it round.Yeah, it's good. Look, you know what I find interesting about this conversation is I can tell you've actually read it. A lot of people that are talking about my book online especially they obviously haven't read it because they point to parts where they're trying to embarrass me and shame me on issues. Dude, I talk all about it. Yeah, that's how I started. I grew up in an ultra-orthodox family. I was born the night my family moved to Melbourne. I'm the 10th child of 17 children, the need for attention was probably started off as a survival mechanism and into my, you know, adult life. At times it was, it certainly helped me. Other times it got me into a bit of trouble. And I guess probably the same is true within my media career. It's, I do enjoy it. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I don't and enjoy the limelight, I love it.And sometimes it gets me into trouble and at other times that willingness and happiness to be in front of the camera when others may not be works to what I'm doing to my job.
But you, one of the chapters, and I remember when this was happening, one of the chapters, was guilty of wanting my kids. I can vividly remember different parts of your life played publicly, you're getting so much flack for so many things, but part of it was, you kind of personal life and your kids, and when the media bring in family, it is particularly hurtful. Tell us about that? 
Yeah look, those are one of the issues that I'm referring to where the media cherry-picked and that the media sat there through my criminal trial and they knew what was going on.And they decided to pick certain aspects to report in a really outlandish way that made it easy, you know, any rational good person would hate, when you run a headline, Avi Yemini found, or pleads guilty to assaulting ex-wife. It's pretty horrible stuff. Now they left out all the context around it. Some of it you're not allowed to report, but other parts of it you are certainly allowed to report. And I think sometimes when you know the whole story then, and if you're not allowed to report the parts that gives context, then maybe it's the kind of story you should let the private life be the private life, unless somebody is really a bad person.Look, I had to deal with that smear for years, silently, and you know, it's probably one of those things, as they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.Having to shut up is not in my nature, but it taught me to shut up and just cop it and to learn that, you know, no matter what they say about you, if you know the truth and they're not going to get to define you. Now after so many years I get to say, I get to have my say about that specific issue, the truth of that story is, I've never hit a woman in my life, let alone my ex-wife.I'm just not that kind of person.It was a relationship breakdown at the end. In fact, it was when I started a new relationship that this whole thing came up and that there's this kind of formula that women use. And I'm not alone. I know that there are many men, especially here in Australia. And I imagine probably also where you are, where the system, because of historically, the way that the awful way that so many women were treated, that the pendulum has swung all the way the other way, that now a man is guilty until proven innocent. And the problem with that is when you throw children into the mix, suddenly you're left with having to defend yourself, but also trying to get your kids.And so, if my kids weren't involved in all that, then I would happily, I'm not a person that's afraid of court.And you can, there's a lot of things you can say about me, but I ain't scared of a courtroom and I would happily fight to clear my name on things.But as soon as you attach my kids to it, so in short, while you have an open domestic violence case, you ain't getting your kids. So you have two ways of shutting down a domestic violence matter.One is plead guilty to what was essentially a summary offense at the lowest level of offending, the lowest crime that comes with a penalty of a fine. Even if you didn't commit it, plead guilty to it, close that domestic violence matter and get your kids. Or you can spend a couple of years trying to clear your name. And then whether you clear it or not, at the end of it you can fight to see your kids again. To me, it's a no brainer. You know, if I went back in time, I'd plead guilty to the same crime again because my kids matter more than my pride. That's essentially what this became, because I knew it was going to play out in public. It was whether, and I didn't even weigh it up because at the end of the day, it didn't matter to me. All I wanted was my kids and not only for my sake, but for their sake. But if you have to put it between your pride and your children, I think any good parent would pick their children.And I did it then and I would do it again.It is sad that we live in a society that that's where it's become.And I know that some of the intentions behind the way the system was structured was well intended.It was to protect vulnerable women. But unfortunately, I know in Australia that's true, and I imagine where you are as well, is a system that is abused by vindictive ex-partners.And in my case, it was when I started a new relationship, and you can read the full story in my book. Buthere I am today, for the first time, being able to tell people, no, what you hear about me, and that's the thing that I noticed over this period isI had people that have followed me for years and they would get on, you know, when my detractors would attack me with those labels and those smears and call me all sorts of horrible names, the one thing I am not. You'd have supporters who would either defend me by minimizing domestic violence or, you know, saying you haven't heard the other side of the story, which I guess that's probably the most accurate, or saying it didn't happen, whatever. And you also had a lot of people that probably followed my work and thought, oh, he has a nasty past. I think for the first time, now people can actually read my entire story and make up their mind for themselves instead of listening to either reporters who want to see nothing, nothing less than my complete destruction or the other side, my political opponents, people who view me as the enemy.And remember before they had that false domestic violence, I was the Jewish Nazi. So these are people that'll use anything to try bring down the person because they can't argue the message.And you know, to my supporters, I've been grateful to see them fighting for me and even when a lot of people would have taken my silence as an admission of guilt.There were those out there trying to defend me using, without any information, without any information.But now people can know the truth and know that, no, you haven't either been defending a domestic violence abuser, you haven't been defending somebody that has at least, I have a past, and we talk about my past in the book.Are just not like that. And, you know, I wouldn't feel, I know how so many must have felt because I wouldn't have felt comfortable defending or following somebody with potentially, potential domestic violence, you know, offenses and or somebody that's horrible to women.I wouldn't want to be known as that. So this has been for me a big weight off my chest and my shoulders.
Well, the media and I've come to the conclusion they are scum and I didn't actually think I would use terms as strong as that to describe media politicians.But what, because this was even before you were with Rebel, this was yeah, this was before that time.So what, what was it that you had done that so pissed off the media because they went for you and who the hell cares about some guy called Avi in a court and yet they had you in their crosshairs.Yeah look, aligning yourself and working with people, enemies of the state, I think been on your show a number of times, that probably didn't help.And look, anyone that dares to speak out about issues that goes against the grain, against the narrative is going to become a target by those that it threatens.And yeah, I understand I'm a massive threat to the mainstream establishment, the legacy media as just as much as I'm a big threat to the political class.You know, those that have always traditionally held all the power do not want to see the rise of uncontrollable attention seekers like me.
Fair point, yeah. Yeah, I wanna ask you about military because I wanted to join the Air Force, it didn't happen, but I enjoyed kind of my time, University Air Squadron, all that being drilled into, and I have friends who it's been the making of them in the military.And that seemed to be you. How did you end up going all the way to Israel and join the military?Why and how did that kind of set you up for the future?Look, I think I talk about it in the book, but it was, I was always, it was kind of in the back of my mind.I was, I had two older brothers that served and obviously my mom's whole family's there.My uncle died in the, in serving the IDF. So you know, it's deep rooted, but for me at that time in my life, I was actually, I signed up.They didn't know that, but I signed up from rehab. I was just getting off heroin and I was trying to sort my life out.And I knew that I had to kind of make some dramatic change not to fall into the same habit.So I chose the, in fact, I did go to one of the, I forgot what they call them, the Australian Army information sessions or whatever.And I remember at the time they were talking about applying and criminal histories and you know, I spent my whole teenage years in and out of the justice system.So I realized this was going to be a bit, a much harder road to go down.And then on top of that, I, when I thought of the Australian army, I thought, well, if I am deployed, I'm going to be fighting someone else's war.Whereas if I can go and join the Israeli army, at least I'll be fighting to protect my own family, my own people.So I signed up from rehab and the rest is history.And I certainly had an interesting service.
I want to jump onto the media side, because obviously I first came across you when you were working with Tommy, with TR News and then you moved over and started with Rebel.
Im still wearing his t-shirt. 
Yeah, I see that. I actually caught up with Ezra the other week. He was in London, so we had a good catch up. Rebel has been perfectly placed, I guess, with all the chaos of the last three years, and you've been right in the middle of that in one of the worst countries for the restrictions and controls and mind control of at every level that we've seen the last three years.How has that played out because it was, you weren't expecting a worldwide lockdown but certainly Rebel has grown massively in Canada on the back of being the one free speech news channel that will speak out, and you've been able to do that in Australia. Tell us about how that has panned out over the last three years.Yeah, it's interesting. So I joined Rebel officially, I did a couple of gigs, even while I was working for Tommy as freelance, up until then, but I joined on the 3rd of September of 2020. It was during a lockdown. And the 5th of September 2020, I went to report on a lockdown protest that was, and I was taken down to the ground by police and you know, it was, it was a bizarre time to be doing what we're doing and, but it just set, it was just so perfect.It was my second day at Rebel and I was arrested, surrounded and arrested.I thought that we're actually joking at the time when the commanding officer kind of came up to me. I thought he was bantering and I just couldn't believe what was happening.But it set me up for the rest, you know, the rest of what we were doing or Rebel in Australia.It really put us on the map with regards to being on the front line of citizen journalism in a time where the mainstream media had just lost their way.They were not speaking truth to power. They were actually just regurgitating the government's official lines.And they were happy there, cheering on the lockdowns, cheering on every single crazy totalitarian move that the government was making. And then you had little me and then also at the time you had somebody like Rukhshan who were in his studio.So don't judge Rukshan, Rukshan actually does good work. He just failed in his studio.He's sitting behind the screen laughing at me. So you had the, you know, even Rukshan.Rukshan was nobody before then. He wasn't working for anything.He was a wedding photographer, and I think he was pretty average at that too.And then he's laughing behind you. So for those of you on that side of the world, Rukshan's actually not.You actually can read about Rukshan in the book, but you know, that was my journey through Rebel and I think, Rebel was perfectly placed because they, unlike when I worked for Tommy, Rebel had the ability and the means and the will and the teams to take on these fights.So when I worked with Tommy, it was probably a few months before.Actually it was, it was January, 2020 when I was first arrested and that was while I still working for Tommy. And there was nothing I could really do to fight back, even though I knew it was unlawful, the arrest, there was nothing I could do because Tommy was having his own dramas and he was fighting his own, putting out his own fires. And the cops didn't realize that I'd signed up with Rebel because that was actually my first official day in the field for Rebel. So they thought they'll take me down and get rid of me, give me a move on order and I'll just have to cop it like I did the last time. But little did they know that I had joined Rebel and Rebel's first response was, sue them. We're suing them.And we did end up not only suing them for that one, we sued them for that, we sued them for the one when I worked for Tommy and then one more that they still thought they could get away with it, within that year, I think it was. No, January 2021. So for three arrests.And they ended up having to, you know, issue that grovelling apology.
How is that? I can imagine Ezra jumping up and down with glee when you're arrested.You're thinking, oh, oh crap. And he's thinking, yes, because he's thinking about how the audience see that and making that story.But yeah, I mean, going through. 
I don't think, look, I don't think he gets excited.I think, I think one of the things that I've learned from Ezra is he's always said, look at every situation and make lemonade from lemons. Just turn it into a positive. And that's the truth.When you're taken down like that and authorities standing over you with a boot on your neck and trying to intimidate and scare you, most people would cave.In fact, if I wasn't with Rebel, I'd probably be stuck and would have to.So we look at those situations and we say, hold on, how can we flip this script?How can we turn it on them? And that's exactly what we did.And not only does it, it ended up backfiring so badly for the state because not only did we fight and win, but them acting like that did the one thing they were trying to avoid.And why were they targeting me? Why did they want me to move out of that situation?Because they didn't want the world to see, they didn't want our things to go viral showing what they were doing.That you had militarized police trying to enforce health. Like it sounds crazy now when you go over it, but they didn't want people to see that.They wanted people to see the filtered reports by the mainstream media, which was reporting, you had a handful of crazy conspiracy theorists that were putting us all at risk.They didn't want you to see that police, the state in the name of health, were fully dressed in riot gear with crazy armour in these bulletproof trucks were kettling, like bringing the group of peaceful protesters, forcing them into groups where they one by one picked them off and violently arrested and processed. They didn't want people seeing that. So they arrested me thinking that'll get, and tried to move me on, thinking that that will get rid of the problem. But all that did was it attracted worldwide attention.It gave us the audience that they so desperately didn't want us to have.And it created the basis of our campaigns, which were fight the fines and pushing back.And we started all these campaigns off the back of that because people knew we were willing to stand up and fight. And not only from the safety of our studios, but in fact, on the street in front of everyone.That's why we were successful at what we did because we talked the talk but we also walked the walk.I think watching it because I was looking at what's happening across Europe because the UK were, actually in a much more favourable position. We didn't have the levels of evils with other governments but it was your reporting that actually turned me to what's happening in Australia and I was able to from the UK was able to catch up with Australia because of what you were putting out and you ended up, I think, for many people in Europe, being the go-to person for understanding what was happening down under. What was the other response from media? Were there other alternative media that were putting it out or was it? 
Yes, there was Rukshan at the time.If you ever watched any of the live feed, that was the rogue wedding reporter who they basically stopped him from being able to work.So he started live streaming and really giving his, he was narrating the protest, craziest protest, but Rukshan is this really calm immigrant is the best way to describe him.Is that the best way? Yeah. He says, yes, he's Sri Lankan.He's not, he was really calm when you watched his, if you go back onto Facebook and he would get 20, 30, 40 at points, there was like 60,000 people watching live scenes unfolding here in Melbourne, because the whole world was tuned in to see what was happening. So really, at the time there was the in Melbourne, there was the two of us, there was me that was doing these reports. So we would go out there, capture, talk to people, talk to the police, engage police are, you know, at points stand between the police and the protesters and challenge the police when they were overstepping.And often seeing, you know, certainly after they'd seen us winning in courts and things like that, they, you know, they would, step back and stand down.And then you had Rukshan that was doing these live, full live streams and just giving his commentary on what was unfolding in front of him.Weren't you banned? Was it New Zealand you were banned from? You were so dangerous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, they banned me from New Zealand and they used that rubbish, I don't know what you want to call it, the conviction that didn't meet the threshold.It was an absolute farce. But the funny thing is because it was an anti-government, it was that freedom movement that were running a protest over the weekend and we went down there. Well, we planned to go there. I got to the airport, they stopped me from even boarding the plane. The Qantas staff looked at, you know, they got this alert on my passport. It was the craziest thing. They said to me they'd never seen it.But the funniest thing from that whole story was as it unfolded, as, you know, the next day the prime minister was asked about it, acted like it had nothing to do with their government and, you know, freedom of information. Well, first we got an Interpol leak that proved that they that they were actually targeting us before even knowing why, if we were coming there, they just knew we were coming to report on this protest and they wanted to stop us and they were trying to get information.They were looking for criminal convictions so that they could use it as an excuse to ban us.And then later on Freedom of Information requests showed they were conspiring on the back and everything they were saying was a complete lie.And the real reason they wanted to stop us in their words was my propensity of inciting people with opposing views.Which I've memorized that line because it's so funny to think that a so-called democracy.Who take themselves seriously, really used, that was their basis to block somebody, an Australian, so their closest ally from coming in because I might incite somebody with other views.And through all of that, it was also, it was desire, it all came out first because the media were egging on the government.And I thought at the time, I told people, I go, watch, I'm gonna fight this to the end, but they're not gonna go to court.Cause yet what you have to do is, you have to, to be able to go to court, you've actually got to get, So I got refused at the border with essentially what's called a visa waiver around the world.But to be able to go to court and challenge it, you've got to get refused the actual visa.And I said, when I saw the freedom of information request, I go, there's no way these guys are going to court because I'll have the, now the former prime minister on the stand.And now she can't lie, especially because we have all the evidence.So I knew they were going to approve it.But they dragged their feet for almost a year in the hope that by the time I'm approved,I'm not really going to have something to do there. And if they would have let me in that weekend, I would have done a few reports, interviewed a few people. The protests had ended up being a bit of a fizzle, and I would have been gone in a few days. It would have been whatever.Now, a year later, when they had nothing else they could drag out, they approved it.And I know that they were assuming and hoping that it's all said and done.There's no real reason for me to go back. And if I go back, it's going to be even less of a thing than it was then.Little did they know that I'd just finished writing my book.And I thought there could be nowhere more appropriate for me to launch this book than the censorship capital of the West, if not the world.And so that's why I'm launching it there. And I love it because hook, line and sinker and my detractors in New Zealand, they're so angry that I'm coming after being originally banned.They don't care about all the other reasons. They don't even care that if the tables are turned, if they really want to see people banned because of their political views, they don't realize that the next government that can be conservative will ban their people.They don't care. They're not interested. All they, they're so full of hate.All they wanted to see was me banned.And they're getting so angry about it that they're even saying that my book should be banned.And I absolutely support their, their endeavours.And as long as they keep getting angry about it and talking about it, that's better for me, because I think when you start to tell people they're not allowed, that's what we saw through COVID. If you tell people they're not going to be allowed to read this book, and this is to your entire audience, you guys are not allowed to read this book. Whatever you do, do not go to rebel fromthestart.com and buy this book. When you tell people they're not allowed to do something, they suddenly want to do it. I'll tell you a little secret. Before COVID, I was a massive germaphobe. I'm still a germaphobe, but I was a massive germaphobe. I remember when COVID first started. I fell for the narrative at first. I thought people were crazy who didn't fall for it in the first month or so. I remember when people started washing their hands and using the alcohol thing on their hands. And I was so happy because finally the world was catching up with me. Everybody was clean for once. And then the government said, we've got to start doing this thing. I was like, nah, give me some germs. Give me those germs. I'm not going to wash my hands now because you tell me. It's the same idea. So I encourage myNew Zealand haters to keep telling people that I'm this bad, evil monster and my book should be burned. In fact, I think they should buy many copies to do an official book burning in New Zealand.It went, I think I read on Rebel News that it had gone to the top in Australia and New Zealand in the first day. That's what negative publicity does, I guess.
Absolutely. Yeah, number one, it was for almost a week, number one, Australia, New Zealand. And I'm sure it'll get there again when, close to the date of the launch, which is in August.But to your viewers, watch your space, because I don't mind that part of the world.
Very well. Last, I just want to ask you to finish about how it makes you feel about living in Australia, because I watch it from the UK and it makes me angry.And I'm not living in that totalitarian state. I have friends in Austria and Germany and Europe, and they've struggled with mandatory lockdowns, mandatory jabs, everything, being cut off from families.You probably had it, yeah, literally worse than anyone, maybe short of across the water with, with horsey face over in New Zealand.But how does that make you feel? Because it seems as though you, whatever's thrown at you, it just makes you stronger and more up for the fight.Yeah, look, I don't, I'm not somebody that believes in giving up and running away.So, and it's not, I can't leave. So maybe I'm just justifying it.Talk to me in five years, six years when my kids are old enough that I don't, I'm not bound to one place, but for now, I'm glad that I'm here to fight on because, uh, I think if we let Australia fall, if we let first Victoria and every other state fall, and we, there is no, if there is no opposition, then the rest, there's going to be nowhere safe in the way it's going to be safe where?So it's better to stay and fight for freedom where you are for everyone else. 
Absolutely well let me just bring it up once again the people can see it, there it is, Rebel From The Start Avi Yemini, setting the record straight. Get it on as I said on Amazon or get it directly on the website rebelfromthestart.com. Avi, thank you so much for your time. Always great to talk to you, love what you do. You're a absolute dynamo there. So thanks for coming on and sharing with our viewers about your book.Thanks for having me mate. Till next time.

Miriam Grossman MD - Lost in Trans Nation: The Gender Identity Battle in Your Own Home

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We think Dr Miriam Grossman has just written the most important book for parents today. It is titled "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" and it even comes with a forward from none other than Dr Jordan B Peterson. Dr Miriam joins Hearts of Oak to discuss this timely release which she wrote primarily to help parents navigate the trans narrative, imploring them to reject the advice of gender experts and politicians, to trust their guts, their parental instincts, in the face of an onslaught of ideologically driven misinformation that steers them and their children toward risky decisions which they may end up ruing for the rest of their lives.She tells us why the medical world and most of our institutions have been captured by this new dogma and how whistle-blowers have lifted the lid on this destructive industry.Please share Dr Grossman's message widely.   
Miriam Grossman MD is board certified in psychiatry and in the sub-specialty of child and adolescent psychiatry. Before gender ideology was on anyone’s radar, she warned parents about its falsehoods and dangers in her 2009 book about sexuality education, "You’re Teaching My Child WHAT?"Dr. Grossman’s practice currently focuses on gender-distressed young people and their parents. She believes that every child is born in the right body. Dr Grossman has been vocal about the capture of her profession by ideologues, leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents.The author of five books, Dr. Grossman's work has been translated into eleven languages. She has testified in Congress and lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations.Dr. Grossman is featured in the Daily Wire’s What Is A Woman?, Fox Nation’s The Miseducation of America, and many other documentaries.  Her expert psychiatric opinion is sought for witness testimony and court reports.
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Interview recorded 28.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment, with Dr. Miriam Grossman.You will probably have seen her on Matt Walsh's excellent What is a Woman, Daily Wire documentary.She was interviewed on that and she has written her latest book.Lost in Trans-Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness with foreword by none other than Dr. Jordan Peterson.And she joins us to discuss this book, which is an essential read for parents.If you're a parent you have to get this book. It will help you navigate the trans chaos which we are now all facing. She joined us to talk about the book, why she wrote it for parents, all the information there in the appendix for parents to really understand this issue and then we look at why everyone is pushing the whole trans narrative including all of those in the medical industry and of course her background in psychiatry and then we look at whistleblowing. Tavistock Clinic obviously whistle-blowers there exposing what was happening and the same thing is now happening in America and how important whistle-blowers are. So much packed in to a short interview for this fantastic book. 
Dr. Miriam Grossman it is wonderful to have you with us today thank you so much for your time. 
(Miriam Grossman MD)
Oh you are so welcome Peter thank you for having me. 
Not all I and as I was saying before I should come across you're teaching my child what which is quite a while ago, but people can find @Miriam_Grossman. They can follow you there on Twitter and MiriamGrossmanmd.com is the website. Everything is in the description. Of course your background is psychiatry and you find yourself on one specific topic, but before we get into the topic of the book which is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness', that we'll bring up in a moment. Could I ask you just to introduce yourself to, we have maybe 75% UK audience, 15% US. I'm sure people will have seen you in that wonderful...What is a woman? 
I nearly forgot, goodness, I've watched it a billion times, and what they have done at the Daily Wire is fascinating. But can I ask you to introduce yourself before we get into the book itself?
Oh, sure, of course. Well, I'm a child, adolescent and adult psychiatrist. And, years ago, I was working exclusively with young people as a psychiatrist at the University of, California in Los Angeles. And I became alarmed at the number of kids that I was seeing, students that I was seeing who had a sexually transmitted infection, multiple abortions, worries about having HIV. And so I started to look into sex education at that time, and to study what young people are told about sexuality and about staying healthy.And I was really quite aghast. I discovered that the way that sex education stands at this time, not only in the US, but in the UK as well. In fact, I spoke about this in the House of Lords, 12 years ago. 
I work in the House of Lords, so I may just have started working at that time.Yeah. So I was terribly alarmed and disturbed, as I think any decent person would be, be to discover what kids were being taught at that time.And it was basically not about sexual health. It was about sexual freedom.And so essentially kids are being told at any age, whenever you feel ready for sexual behaviour, only you can decide and so on and so forth. And being introduced to what many people would consider fringe behaviours, but of course now times have changed and what used to be fringe is now just, you know, run-of-the-mill, I guess, you know, vanilla kind of stuff, but it really was quite alarming and it did answer the question for me of why are so many kids suffering at this time from sexually transmitted infections and abortions and, you know, the emotional part of it as well. So while I was doing that research about sex education, I kind of stumbled across gender ideology and what kids were being told about being male or female. I had never seen this stuff before, and this was back in maybe, I don't know, 2006 or 2007. This was a long time ago. And I discovered that students, even younger students, in elementary school, I'm not sure what you would call that in the UK, but that they were being told that there are many, you know, that there's a spectrum of identities in terms of male and female were just like two extreme ends of a spectrum that had many, many points in between.And in fact, that if we limit ourselves to just male and female, that's an oppressive paradigm.I'm sorry, an oppressive paradigm. I'm sorry Peter, I've been talking a lot, so my voice is getting weak.So it was put into the language of a political Marxist kind of language of that it's oppressive, and that it's false, and it's something that has to be brought down.So it was presented to kids in terms of a civil right, in terms of an entire class of people who were being oppressed by this idea of binary, which was a white male European idea.And I just said to myself, oh my goodness, what is this?You know, I'm a doctor, but you don't have to be a doctor to know that there are only two sexes, male and female. We are mammals. Mammals are dimorphic species. That means male and female.Other species may have another situation or they may be fluid. The clownfish apparently can be kind of a fluid situation there. We are not clownfish. We are mammals. And I was extremely alarmed that kids were being presented with these ideas that had no basis in medicine, no basis in science. And what they were was more like a belief system. An irrational belief system that told these kids, instructed these kids that the way that you feel at the moment is what you are. And that your biology, that's really not too important. So, you know, as doctor with tremendous respect for our biology. Again, I was alarmed at what this was going to, what effect this was going to have, especially on kids who were vulnerable, kids who might have other issues going on and might be destabilized by this idea that maybe, you know, they're in the the wrong body.And I wrote about that in my book, 'You're Teaching My Child What?', which came out in 2009.I had a chapter there called Genderland.And I compared what is being taught to kids to Alice in Wonderland, this bizarre, you fall down this hole and you land in a place that is bizarre and doesn't make sense, right?That's where Alice ended up in Wonderland.There were no, all the rules that she was used to didn't make sense and all the characters that she met didn't make sense.And that's how I felt as I was exploring this gender ideology that kids are being told.So I wrote in my chapter there, 2009, and by the way, people can read that chapter on my website.I have it up on merriamgrossmanmd.com.And so I warned parents and I said, these, these are not the idea.You don't want your kids, believing these ideas because this will be a disaster for children to think that they were in the wrong body and that they need to medically alter their bodies and maybe take hormones, medications for what essentially is going to be probably an emotional issue that they're having, and it may just be a temporary distress that they feel about their bodies. So we do not want to be giving these kids a medical interference.Anyway, unfortunately, it's taken this catastrophe that we're in right now to open people's eyes that our kids have been indoctrinated and are being indoctrinated every day with these ideas.And so my newest book is 'Lost in Trans Nation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness'.And it is exclusively about the transgender issue.And what I'm doing in this book is educating parents. This is not a book for professionals, although professionals will learn a lot, but it is written for everyday moms and dads to read and understand what this trans ideology is about and how it is not based in anything scientific or medical. It is an irrational belief system. And it has become a, turbo-charged crusade through our culture targeting our young and vulnerable kids.So the book gives parents what they need to not only to deal with it if they're living through it right now with one of their kids, but perhaps more importantly, to avoid it the future. So if your children are still small, it's a book that you want to have and learn how to reach your child before these gender zealots, I'm going to call them, reach your child because they are waiting to reach your child, they want to reach your child, and they want to instruct your child in this ideology. And part of the ideology parents need to know is that if parents don't agree and they don't, you know, and they're cautious and they, you know, if they if there's a child, let's say a boy, who announces to his parents that, I'm not your son, I'm your daughter, I want you to use this new name and these pronouns. And I want you to take me to a gender affirming therapist. And if parents just want to say, okay, well, one minute, one minute, you know, this is big. This is really big. So let's just, I want to ask questions. I want to do research. I want to find out. I am not going to use your new name at this at this moment. We need to do a lot of research. So the kids are told that a parent like that, who doesn't at once accept the new identity is a bad person.And that their home may not be a safe home. So you see, this drives a wedge between kids and their loving parents.I have been, for the past few years, seeing these families in my office, both the children or the teenagers and young adults who are distressed about their sex, as well as their parents.And this was one of the huge motivating factors that I realized parents need guidance.They have nowhere to turn.It's a little better now compared to when I started writing the book about, I don't know, a year ago, a year and a half ago or so.Now there are a few organizations, but they still might be difficult to locate.And the mainstream organizations, the doctors, the social workers, the school counsellors, principals, the government organizations, they're all going to go with this narrative that says, the child knows best.Let the child decide.Parents take the back seat, the child is driving, the child is driving in the driver's seat.We don't do this in any other field of medicine.This is not the practice of medicine.Can I ask you, let me bring up the website again, and that is the book you were talking about, 'You're teaching my child what?', with that chapter, Physician Exposes the Lies of Sex Education and How They Harm Your Child.This is the 'Lost in Trans Nation', just out by Skyhorse, who do so many good books I've learned over the years.But you start off with Jo Money's Dangerous Idea, chapter one.I will leave that aside because that's where this started.But then chapter two, Psychiatry's Dangerous Idea.How has the medical world and the educational world grasped on to this idea which, as you say, the child is the one making the decisions, it goes against everything we know as a society up until this point and suddenly everything gets thrown in the bin and now a child knows what they're doing.How did everyone kind of become bewitched by it?Okay, well, I'll mention also, now that you have the book up there, that the foreword is written by Dr. Jordan Peterson, and I'm forever grateful to Dr. Peterson for writing a phenomenal, phenomenal foreword.So you asked what happened to the medical and educational professions.I mean, the short answer is that there has been a crusade of believers in this belief system, this ideology, and they have been wildly successful in their march through our institutions.And I'm a medical doctor, so I'm particularly interested in what happened in my profession.And I can tell you that the watershed moment really in psychiatry was about 10 years ago, when the American Psychiatric Association, in their newest edition of the DSM, which is the Manual of Psychiatric Disorders, decided to remove a diagnosis of gender identity disorder.So until 10 years ago, it was considered a psychiatric disorder, for a person to feel so much distress over their sex that it really impacted, you know, their day-to-day function.And, you know, they insisted that they wanted to live life as the opposite sex and so on.So that was a, and also someone who had tremendous distress about their bodies, their genitals, their breasts and other characteristics of being male or female.It had to have been really causing significant distress for quite some time.Now, these cases of people with gender identity disorder were very, very rare.When I went to medical school, which was a while ago, but when I went to medical school and I did my training in psychiatry, and then in child psychiatry, I never saw one instance, one case of someone with gender identity disorder.It was so rare that, you know, we just thought of it as something that's in the textbooks that we're never gonna see even one case in our entire lives.So, you know, fast forward now, or, you know, five, eight years ago, and there's a veritable, tsunami epidemic of kids.And I'm sure your audience is aware that, you know, the Tavistock GIDS Clinic reported that the numbers of referrals that they got, went up by 5,000%.Yeah. 
That's that crazy graph, which just blows every sensible thought out of the water.
Correct.So the question, of course, when you look at that graph, everyone is going to ask what the heck is going on with the number of referrals.But just getting back, I wanna answer your question, Peter, about the American Psychiatric Association.So the decision that they made to remove the diagnosis of gender identity disorder, and replace it with the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was really a very big deal.Because what they did with that is that they said it's no longer a disorder.And instead of focusing on the identity part, that a person's identity did not match their, biology, they focused on the fact that a person has distress over it. So that if a person has that incongru...Well, if you want that mismatch, so to speak, between how they feel and their body, but they don't have significant distress over it.It's not a, there's no diagnosis.And that, I write about that and how that decision was made.And it was based on two things.Number one, it was based on compassion.Because the professionals who were in that group, that committee, who had the responsibility of studying this subject and making a decision, they were concerned about the very rare individuals who have the disorder.And have very difficult lives, and part of the reason that their lives are difficult is because of stigma. And so they wished to remove the stigma, and they felt that, the quality of life of those people would improve if psychiatry did not consider their condition a disorder. Now, there were a lot of people who argued for the entire diagnosis, the whole category just to be removed, completely taken out of the DSM. So why didn't they do that?Well, they didn't do it because, you see, people who have gender identity disorder or or gender dysphoria, whatever we're going to call it now, need treatment.They're going to very often go for mental health and medical and surgical treatment.Now, for that to be reimbursed, you need a code, a diagnosis for the insurance.I mean, I know that you have a national health service that's a little bit different than what we have over here.But I'm sure that you still need some sort of a code, right?I mean, something has to be considered, have a diagnosis in order to be paid for.So, those were the two things that were behind the decision for the American Psychiatric Association to make that change.And that was a huge change.Now, based on that, you know, other organizations, other groups, LGBT groups and human rights groups and all the organizations that are proponents of what's called now gender-affirming care, and transgender rights, and it's a movement.So they were able at that point to say, okay, not a disorder.Now I explain in my book that actually many years before psychiatry changed the DSM, this was already happening.It was already being accepted that it's a part of human diversity to feel this incongruence, between your body and your mind.So it was psychiatry kind of catching up.But once psychiatry, so to speak, caught up, then there was sort of like no end to the fact that kids could then be told, this is completely normal.If a girl is hating their breasts and their periods, and they're not a stereotypical girl, and they, you know, maybe they're a boy and that's just a normal variant.If you think, you know, you're 12 years old, you don't, you're worried about puberty, you feel more comfortable with the boys, you don't, you're not into makeup and you're not into having crushes on boys and you're not into dresses and all the rest of it, you know what?You might be a boy.So, you know, this was all very huge stuff that was going on, but most of the culture and society, didn't pick up on the significance of these developments.And based on the new DSM, the DSM-5 that came out in 2013 that I'm now talking about, you know, it had huge repercussions within medicine and within culture.And starting at around that time, or maybe one or two years after that, is when we started to see the numbers just explode.So you see that those years, you know, 2011 to 2015.Then there was a little dip. that little dip corresponds to COVID.And then it's just going sky high. And the reason for that dashed arrow, is because that is including the waiting list at GIDS Tavistock.There was a very long waiting list, very huge waiting list of kids.So getting back, you know, I'm providing all this material, for parents because I don't want them to be caught ignorant of all these very important facts. What happened in psychiatry?Where did these ideas come from?What's going on in the schools, what's going on in the legal system, what the effect is on parents to have a child who presents like this? How do you talk to your child the first, the very first few conversations? I have a model conversation there between a parent and a child on this subject when the child comes and says, I'm not your daughter, I'm your son. How a parent can handle it. I have a conversation there also between a parent and either a doctor or therapist.And how to discuss their child with the therapist or doctor who is insisting, that you have to affirm that child. Now, what I want parents to understand, is that there is no medical consensus on this issue. I think parents in the UK are better informed, I hope, than parents in the U.S. because you had the whole, Tavistock and the Keira Bell issue and then the Cass report and...
Well, can I, because I was outside the court a number of times filming Keira and an awful story, and that's taken whistle-blowers, and I talked to a number of the whistle-blowers in the UK.It's taken those whistle-blowers to expose, and one of the chapters is whistle-blowers, and I guess it is the same in the U.S. 
Well, we've only had one, I mean, I think there's been a second now. We did have, we have one, I have a chapter on the whistle-blower here, Jamie Reid, unbelievably courageous woman who was working at a gender clinic in St. Louis, Missouri, and she went and blew the whistle and what she described going on there just....I don't know. There's there's just no words for for that, what one doctor who was working in that gender clinic said. Describing what they do there. We are flying the plane while we are building it, So, yeah. The thing is, you know, we because of our medical system it's gonna take a lot of whistle-blowers here in the US. With you, you had Tavistock, and you had that central referral centre for all the kids in the UK.So it was an easier thing. I don't know how it's going to happen here.We are, day by day, there's more lawsuits against the doctors, which is good, but still, its not enough. And parents will find in my book, actually, that I have many, many tools. And in addition to the tools that I present and the information, the history, what I did is I conducted a survey of parents who have a trans, or had, have or had a transgender identifying child. And I asked them, how would you advise families that haven't gone through this yet but may go through it in the future? So I got responses from 500 parents from 17 different countries.And the book is dedicated to those 500 parents and I list their names. I mean, not most of them didn't use their real names for obvious reasons, but I don't know if you have the book there but in the in the beginning of the book the first pages list all those parents that I have devoted the book to and I say to to them that, you know, I spoke to them from their cars and their basements and their bathrooms because speaking to me, consulting with me, it was as if they were doing something criminal. And I say that they're not criminals, they are heroes. And the criminals are the sex educators and the teachers and the therapists and the surgeons that are that are indoctrinating the kids and then performing these procedures on them. Their day will come.Because when you mentioned Jordan Peterson and I remember reading a op-ed that he wrote a couple months ago, maybe six months ago, could it be longer, in the Daily Telegraph for the UK. He was full on in his anger at surgeons who carry this out and he talked about their butchering children and talked about punishment and I thought kind of that would have opened the floodgates in the media but still our media are very reticent on engaging this issue, but with Jordan riding the forward it requires people of that courage to put this out in the media. 
Well Dr. Peterson, you know, he's a warrior and I'm so grateful. He also had me on his podcast a few months ago. I spoke about the history, John Money. I, I also spoke a lot about the parents.My heart is really, I mean, of course, we're worried about the kids.Obviously everyone's worried about the kids, but people don't speak enough about the parents.And the parents, I recently spoke to a parent who grew up in a war-torn country.Where there was a genocide.And in that genocide, she lost her husband, other members of her family, and she lost a limb.And now she's losing her child to the transgender ideology and that is the worst thing she's ever been through.Losing a child to the transgender ideology and watching her child embark on hormones, she described to me as breaking her more than the genocide broke her.So this is a medical scandal of a huge proportion and I just want to protect families.That's what the book is about. It's about protecting families.I hope that it's easy for you there in the UK to get it.I've had some reports that people had a hard time getting it.But I think you should be able to get it on Amazon.
You can get it on Amazon. I think it's maybe 10-day post waiting.But you can get it.I think this is probably one of the most essential books that parents can read.I mean, for me, who does lots of interviews and programs, I'm vocal on everything, but I realized that a lot of parents are fearful.And you go through, one of the appendix dealing with schools, dealing with child protection services.It is all there to help parents with the internet, social media.Everything is there for parents to take up, to go through, and to go through those appendix.So it is absolutely essential. The stories are there, the background is there, what parents can do.Because I think, as you may have mentioned, parents can feel powerless, and they're worried about raising the issue because of child protection, because of school backlash.Well, they're not powerless. They're not powerless at all. The book empowers them.And I also want to mention, Peter, that it's never too early for parents to say to their kids, You know.You're you're a boy. You're a girl. It's wonderful. You've been a boy or a girl since the moment you were created. No one is assigning anything in the delivery room.It's not the doctor. It's not the midwife. That's assigning that, you from the moment. And I'm not saying that it's a it's a sex ed thing. You don't have to get into the birds and the bees I'm talking about just saying how wonderful it is that you're a boy, You've always been a boy. You will always be a boy and there's many different kinds of boys, There's boys who don't like soccer and cars and trains, there's boys that like, fashion and there's boys that like, literature and art and cooking, and there's all kinds of boys, and there's all kinds of girls.So you want to make sure that your child knows that. And so when they first hear this idea of sex being assigned at birth, I want the kid to just say, what?No, that's not right.That's not right. Why are you saying that to me? Instead of sitting there and just being a sponge. Kids are sponges.You have to reach your kid first. 
100% set those guidelines and affirm kids, affirm children for who they are and don't leave that openness.Can I just ask you Dr. Miriam about what you have faced because it's a crazy world when we say that someone who talks about this is brave.That's the mad situation we have entered into.But what has it been like for you calling out absolute, well, it has been common sense until five minutes ago, and suddenly everything is now open to interpretation and discussion.What has been the response to you putting this concise, well, it's not concise, it is a large publication, 500 pages, but everything is there.What has been the response to it?
Well, the response primarily is the book companies making it and the distributors of the book making it difficult for people to get it.So we have in the US Barnes and Noble, do you have that? We did have it and then they pulled out, but we are no Barnes and Noble, yes.Okay, so Barnes and Noble is the biggest book retailer in the world, I believe.And we have 300 stores here in the US.And when the book came out about a week and a half ago, it was simply unavailable in the stores and people were writing me and, you know, messaging me that they went into a Barnes and Noble and they were told the book is out of stock.And then when they would go online to the Barnes and Noble online and try to order it, they were also told the book is out of stock.So I contacted my publisher, as you say, Skyhorse.A just fantastic publisher, Tony Lyons. And he told me that they never ordered them.They just never ordered the book, so they said they were out of stock. Now, there have been complaints, and so about two days ago, they began to make the book available, but only a month from now. So, you know, let's put it this way. They're, you know, they're putting obstacles in front of people who would like to buy my book.And I will also add that Amazon has had many, probably over a dozen, bogus books on there trying to copy my book.And so when people, people that are listening, and I hope that you will get it, the best way to get it, you have to make sure that you're getting the right book. There's no soft cover. There's no guidebook. There's no synopsis. There's no workbook. So what you want to do is go to my website and use the link on my website or go onto my Twitter, which is at Miriam underscore Grossman, and there's a link right there. People have written me that they've ordered the wrong book and you know it's it's it's, they're upset, you know, they have to, they're it's not, it's you don't want to order the wrong book for heaven's sake and and be tricked, you know, and spend your money on it.Well, we have all the links in the description, however people are watching. It is available on hardback on Amazon in the UK at a one-week delivery time or is available on Kindle, which is how I read a lot of US books, because they're easily available. Just to finish off, can I ask you.Where do you think the pendulum is going in this? It has swung so far one direction, and certainly in the UK, it's begun to be a topic of conversation amongst parents. That hasn't filtered down into our education system or political system as yet, but it will happen. Yeah, tell us about, usually things swing too far one way and then they swing back. 
Yeah, well things have swung very far here in the U.S. where we have our major medical centres, you know, the best medical centres in the country, really, with gender clinics that are putting kids on an assembly line with little or no mental health evaluation, which, of course, is just preposterous because these kids need extensive mental health evaluations and care, and to not give that to them, not provide that, and to go straight to medical, you know, blockers and cross-sex hormones, which, by the way, I mean, you're probably aware, and your audience is probably aware, but in the U.S., people are not aware that there is no good long-term evidence of any benefit from those interventions.And there is evidence of terrible consequences. So there are places in the U.S. that still have on their websites that the blockers are reversible and that blockers are considered, widely considered, safe. That's just simply not true. We even had, about two weeks ago, there was a letter in the Wall Street Journal, a major news publication here.There was a letter signed by 21 experts, clinicians, gender clinicians from nine countries, essentially saying to the doctors here in the US, what are you doing?What are you doing?Yeah, so things are still pretty bad over here. You know, I want to ask you, since you're on the ground there, they decided to not close, Tavistock was going to close this year and then it was extended another year it's open?
So Tavistock was supposed to close. It was given a one year reprieve. It is still operating.Then they have found out that there are other clinics being set up with the same staff under the radar. But the actually good news is that puberty blockers, the government have now ruled them as not safe except for scientific purposes. So my understanding is those cannot be handed out as they were, and the government are doing an investigation. I mean, it's 15 years too late, but at least something is happening and those are no longer freely available.At least the Tavistock Clinic is being looked at with a microscope, but it has been given a one year reprieve and no one seems to know why.Interesting. That is interesting. Okay.
So yeah, lots of confusion here in the UK, but this year puberty blockers being restricted is a, is a massive win.So at least we're seeing movement in the right direction. 
You know, Peter, I want to mention that, um, I'm planning to be in London.Yeah, I'm coming to the, Jordan Peterson, you know, is forming ARC, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.And he invited me to come. I'm very honoured that he invited me to join in on that.And that's the end of October, beginning of November. So I will be in London.And I would love to to meet some of the people there, yourself included.We will talk about that after, we'll pull that together and I'll certainly be around. So I certainly look forward to that. Dr. Miriam, I so appreciate your time today and as I said, as a parent, as someone who commentates on this, this is an absolutely essential book and one that anyone in the UK can get on their Kindle or as hardback and they can just click on the links.So thank you for putting this publication together and thank you for coming on today and sharing your story.
You're welcome. I'm gonna say one more thing. I just got done narrating the entire book.
Oh, so when is that out? 
I did it. It should be pretty soon, the audio book.I did the whole thing. I didn't think I would be able to, but I did it and it was a great experience to read my book out loud.
I actually always love, because I listen  to quite a few audio books, and I love it when the author has done it, because you feel as though you get to know them.You're with them. It's personal.And I love that. So I look forward to that coming out, and we'll certainly do what we can do to promote it. 
Thank you, Peter.