Hearts of Oak Podcast

James Delingpole - On a Mission From God: My Rekindled Faith

Show notes and Transcript
James Delingpole is a well known podcaster and social commentator who never minces his words, but he is also a man of deep faith and he returns to Hearts of Oak to tell us the story of how he rediscovered his Christian beliefs. In the UK, faith is a private matter that seems taboo and must never be discussed with others yet James is determined to go against this protocol as he knows the importance of faith and belief. He had a very traditional English childhood where the Church of England was a constant through his education, but once free from those schooling constraints he went his own way. But he has now gone full circle and re-embraced Christianity and found a whole new purpose in life. He shares with us how he now feels called to encourage others to find a meaning for their lives, James' boldness, clarity and certainty is an inspiration in an age of confusion and chaos.
James Delingpole is a writer, journalist, broadcaster, podcaster and columnist who has written for a number of publications, including the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, and The Spectator. He writes regularly for Breitbart London and has also published several novels and political books.James has published articles rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change and he has not been silent in these current crazy times, a fountain of knowledge and common sense when it comes to COVID, The Great Reset, conspiracies and tyrannical political control.And not forgetting, he is the host of the brilliant, popular and ever entertaining podcast, The Delingpod..... which can be found on all good podcast apps.
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Interview recorded 20.9.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
It is wonderful to have Mr Delingpod back with us again, James Delingpole. James, thank you so much for your time today. 
(James Delingpole)
It's a pleasure, Peter. 
Great to have you, and obviously you can follow James there is his Twitter handle, and Delingpod will bring up, everywhere and anywhere where the Delingpod is, whether it's audio you listen on the go, or whether you watch. I certainly enjoy it on Rumble, but I'll let the viewers and listeners choose their preferred platform to watch your many interviews.Now, James, I wanted to have you on. Actually, as I mentioned to you before we went on, it was chatting to Dick at the Comcast event at the beginning of the year.And the issue of faith came up in one after one of the sessions over a few drinks.So I was curious and wanted you to come on. I know there's something you've talked about, but maybe if I can step back a little bit and ask you what was your background kind of growing up in terms of faith and church?I have probably the classic background for a certain kind of Englishman, let's say. So I went to a prep school where we had chapel seven days a week, twice on Sundays, and then I went to a public school where there was a fairly similar arrangement.And I went to church at Christmas and possibly Easter.I think at the time I didn't really know it, but I was what I would probably call now a culturalChristian. I believed in the Church of England as a kind of institution, as part of the fabric of our heritage, you know, you had all thebeautiful churches run about the country. You had the vicar judging the marrows in the village fete and more tea vicar. And the church was there for when you got married and when you got buried, when you got christened. And this was part of the sort of the ritual formality that binds our country. I still respect that element, although I think it's greatly diminished in our culture.But in what you might call my normie days, I would have made a very good case, for the cultural importance of Christianity and of the Church of England, and just sort of giving a degree of shape and meaning to our lives.But what I didn't really, I didn't, I wouldn't say I was an atheist.I know I wasn't an atheist, because when I was at my prep school, I remember arriving at my prep school, I would have been about eight.And you get dropped off by your parents.And then the headmaster and headmistress pretend to be all friendly, like they do in front of your parents. And then your parents go. And then suddenly, you are.It's like being in prison. It really is like being in prison.You are shown to your dormitory.And your bed is not the comfy bed you had at home, where mommy kind of tucked you in and read you a story.It's this grim prison bed with this lumpy mattress and these scratchy blankets.And you're in a dormitory with these boys who, some of them, are crying in their pillows and stuff.And I remember that first night. And what do you do? I remember saying my prayers.Because I'd seen my dad, when I was very, very young, one of my earliest memories is going into my parents' bedroom and seeing my father kneeling down by his bed every night. He said his prayers.And so for me, it was something that you did. So I said my prayers.And I wonder now, looking back, whether a bit like,I think that I did myself a lot of good later on in life by being a cross-country runner at school.When you develop your lung capacity and your stamina at that age, it stands you in good stead for later life. And in a way, I wonder whether my prayers put me on the right footing, with God. And I suppose, did I say my prayers when I was at my public school at Morven? Probably I did. But as you know, there is a massive, there is a sort of cultural cringe towards Christianity, which I now understand is the work of the devil. You know, if you are the devil and the devil does exist. If you are the devil and you've got this institution, Christianity. How are you going to undermine it? Well, I think if you attack it head-on, what you're probably going to find is that people are going to resist and they're going to defend it. It's a bit like when big government pushes too hard.I just done a podcast with somebody who's, sorry, excuse my digressions here, but I quite like a digression. I just done a podcast with Monica Smit and Monica Smit, got, did 23 days in solitary confinement in an Australian prison cell because this punishment for resisting all the kind of vaccine mandates. And she was describing what it was like in the the state of Victoria, which, of all the places in the West, had about the most draconian COVID regulations anywhere in the world.And she said that there was a protest outside the state parliament in Victoria, in Melbourne.Which attracted 600,000 people, 600,000 people.The population, I think, of Victoria is 6 million. So when you discount all the people who were too young to attend or too old to attend, she reckoned it was probably about half of the state was up in arms against it.Because Dan Andrews, their wicked premier, pushed too hard.And I think it's the same where the devil knows this. The devil's a clever fellow.So he knows that if you want to undermine Christianity, you don't attack it head on.What you do is you make it this slightly embarrassing, uncool thing.And you infiltrate the church by making sure that you get priests, clerics, who don't really, they think that Christianity needs updating. You know, that Bible stuff, it's so old-fashioned. It's just like, they're not really.They're not very progressive on issues like homosexuality. And really, you need kind of gay marriage to, because the Bible was, happened a long time ago, and we've moved on since then.And also, you need, instead of psalms and robust hymns written by Charles Wesley with Jolly Tunes, what you need is people strumming guitars. And you need to rewrite the service book. So instead of having the old liturgy with its robust, sonorous, and beautiful language.You replace it with this touchy-feely, limp, toe rag, limp dishcloth stuff that's designed to make you feel awkward and embarrassed and to take you away from the numinous, from the spiritual side of things, which is the only side that really eats.In fact, what you do is you keep the religion, but you remove God.You remove the key element. And one of the things that's really excited me about my sort of discovery or rediscovery of Christianity is to realize that the supernatural element, the element which has largely been written out of Christianity in our secular culture, is the stuff that really matters.Because God is real.God created the Earth. I mean, despite what we're taught at schools, we're taught evolutionary theory is evolutionary fact. And it just doesn't stand up when you look into it.So my journey of faith has been rediscovering that God is real, that angels are real.Two of my followers, whatever we want to call them, have seen angels.I know demons are real. There's a friend of mine who can actually see the demons feeding off people.They harvest our emotional energy. Once you understand that this earthly world, the materium, is merely a kind of Earth-bound reflection of what is happening above in the spiritual realm, Only then do you really understand the nature of reality.Can I, I agree on that? When I talk to atheists, I say, I wish I had your faith to believe in nothing.When you see the complexity of the world. 
Yeah, that's a good one.
But can you, I'm assuming that when you left school, you kind of left that behind.I'm hearing kind of your faith as in prayer, that ritual was part of the education, but when you finish education, you left that behind, or did you keep some of that?
More or less, more or less. I had an interesting period where, when I had children.And every parent goes through this, how do you get your child into a school that is not totally shit, that is not going to break the bank. So in the early days, most of us, can't afford private education for our children. I mean, I did go private later on, but by various means, you know, sort of bursaries and helpful relatives and things like that. But you think, okay, well, got to get them into it, ideally a church. I can't do a Catholic school, because I'm not a Catholic, but Church of England Primary. And quite a lot of Church of England Primary schools know they've got you by the balls. They know that this is a way of enforcing church attendance among parents. So then it came down to what?Most churches are really grim places. And I mean, talking back then, the modern equivalent of talking about Zelensky and climate change, that they've got all these values which have nothing to do with Christianity.So you think, well, and some of them have really long services as well, really, really boring services.Luckily, we had family connections, traditions with a fantastic church called Chelsea Old Church on the embankment.It was Thomas Moore's church, I think.So lots of people have worshipped there. And it had a really good vicar called Peter Elvey.And Peter Elvey and his marvellous assistant, Susan Gaskell, who was this, she liked to sort of have a glass of champagne at 11 in the morning and with a few cigarettes.She was proper old school.And the congregation was really quite pucker. And this appealed to my snobbery apart from anything else.And I like the fact this is an old church. And I think it used the Book of Common Prayer, I think.But they had this great children's service.And in the middle of the service, they had a really good dressing up box.And if you were lucky, your children would be selected to act out whatever the day's scripture, what the day's reading was.And I started taking part in organizing this. And sometimes I would do some of the quizzes where you'd quiz the children on what been said in the story, and testing them, and throwing mini Mars bars to the child who got it.So I quite liked this. I didn't become a God-botherer. 
So this was your first, what, this may be 15 years ago, whatever. This is your first step back into the church, is it? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. But it reminded me of some of the things that are good about the church. But more, Do you know what, at the time I justified this to myself more on, I remember going back to my school, back to Malvern, and talking to one of the few staff that remained from my period there. He was a history teacher, and he was describing to me how children would come up, would start at, 13 year olds would arrive at the school, and none of them would know basic things like the biblical stories, which I think are one of the bedrocks of our culture. And this really matters to me. I mean, regardless of what you think about the spiritual element, we are a Christian country. Our literature, for example, which is possibly our greatest artistic speciality, if you like. Our literature is steeped in religious learning. I mean, I studied The Dream of the Rude. Anglo-Saxon poetry is all about Christ and the cross and stuff. And then you go through to Chaucer and Shakespeare and so on. Milton, obviously.They all have an understanding, they all write on the assumption that their audience knows things like the water into wine and all the stories.And I found it shocking that I was living in a world where this stuff had been written out of our history.Probably the generation after mine is the first generation in a thousand or more years that doesn't understand the basics of the Bible. And that was shocking. So I saw it as a cultural thing. I thought it was part of my children's education, number one. And probably also at the time, I believed something which I do not believe now. I thought that the great clash of, the great war, if you like, was between Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. I didn't realize that almost all alleged Muslim attacks are actually false flag operations masterminded by the dark side. So I thought, it's Lord of the Rings time. There is evil out there, and we can see what the evil looks like. And we've got to know what side we're on. We're on the side of Judeo-Christian culture, as I would have called it at the time.So I saw it as a cultural thing rather than as a spiritual thing.
So there came a point, I want to pick up on that, cultural Christianity near the end, because it's something I've been pondering about a lot, listening to a lot of commentators.But for you, you talked about going back to church. Then was there a wake-up point, or is it gradually, when you begun to realize, actually the Bible is true, God is real, and that then requires a response from me. 
That came later. So, about just before the fake pandemic craziness, I got very invested in Donald Trump. I thought that Donald Trump was was going to save us.I don't think that anymore. I don't believe there are any white hats.I think they're all compromised. But at the time, I sensed that something was very, very, very wrong with the world.And I think a lot of people who go down the rabbit hole have this traumatic experience in some way, whether it's somebody who's had all their money taken away by the banks, that they thought banks were respectable, or whatever.My own trauma was seeing the leadership of the free world, as I believed it was then, stolen in real time by skulduggery of such breath-taking overtness.It was so blatant.And I saw the entirety of the media, which I'd thought of as a journalist of 30 years, I thought, well, the media's job is to speak truth to power and all the things that Toby Young still believes in.I thought, well, the media will never allow this to happen. They're going to point out all this blatant stuff, ballot papers being discovered by the lorry load, filled in and stuff, and footage from the various counting stations and so on.Anyway, it didn't happen. I saw that the mainstream media, which I trusted to tell the truth, was gaslighting everyone, into believing that actually this was normal and that this senile, incontinent crook in the pay of communist China and stuff, who'd never even gone on the road because his handlers couldn't bear to let such a liability anywhere near the electorate, that somehow this guy Joe Biden had won and worst of all was all the people I'd thought of as my comrades in arms, the people who I thought of as the band of brothers who were going to fight with me in the foxholes alongside me, and I could trust them to guard my flanks because we were all in this one together, that great battle for freedom, for truth, they were participating in this lie.And it was a real, real, OK. I mean, I was desperately naïve.I think most of us are, though.I think because we're subject to this brainwashing process from the earliest stage.Our parents, who know no better, tell us. And then our schools brainwash us.And then the media brainwashes.And the entertainment industry brainwashes us. So it was really, and I went through this period of about three months where, I mean, I almost had a breakdown, actually.And then you start looking into various other things, trying to make sense of the world.And you realize that the whole world is a lie and an illusion, and that there are really, really bad people in charge.And that is the stage where you go from red-pilled to black-pilled.You think, we are totally stuffed. But then, parallel to this, there were various awakening moments. So I started noticing in my podcast that I was starting to talk about that I was, I started mentioning God more, and I was starting to talk about being on a mission from God. And I said it half flippantly.But I began to realize that actually, no, I wasn't saying this flippantly at all.I remember doing a podcast with Jamie Franklin from a Irreverend Pod.Yeah. And Jamie said to me, you know, I've noticed that some of the language you've started using is really quite, you know, religious, Christian in its overtones.And I thought, yeah, you're right, Jamie. What's going on here?There were a few other things, because it didn't... there wasn't a...A saw line moment of sort of blinding realization. It wasn't as simple as that.I remember I did a podcast with Jerry Marzynski, the psychiatrist from Arizona who'd worked a lot with paranoid schizophrenic in high security hospitals and prisons. And it's worth listening to the two podcasts I did with him, but Jerry, unlike most psychiatrists or prison shrinks, who'd prefer to dose their patients with chemical cosh's and just like, you know, turn them into zombies. He actually took the trouble to listen to what they were saying about the voices in their heads. And he discovered there was remarkable consistency in what the voices in the heads were saying was the sort of thing that demons would say, because these things are demons. And he found that the most effective treatment of these demons was the 23rd Psalm. So I thought that's interesting. I get kind of voices in my head, not demonic voices. Well, I mean, I think they are demonic voices. But I think when you say to yourself things like, God, you're such an idiot. I bloody hate you, you bastard, you stupid. I hate you. You really you'd be better off dead. You should die. I hate you. I used to get that all the time, especially after nights drinking, whatever, and stuff. So I started learning the 23rd Psalm, and then I learned Psalm 91. And then I thought, I quite like these Psalms. And what I found was that the Psalms made me based, for want of a better word, the Psalms are a great solace.And it's not without reason, I think, that novice monks, the first job when they joined the monastery was to learn the Psalter.They learned the whole lot, all 150 of the Psalms.The enemy, the forces of darkness, the Russell Brands of this world, they use words.They use words like spells, and the dark side uses spells.Christians too have spells, but we don't call them spells, because that's what they are. They are a form of magic, but they're holy magic. And when you say the Psalms, it gives you... you put on the whole armour of God. They protect you. They protect you from the dark forces. And I mean, There were other moments too. I found that I would have moments where...I didn't have a voice saying, I am God, and thou art my chosen one to go.But I do very much feel, really, really feel, that I've been given a mission, a purpose. And my purpose is twofold. It's one to red pill people, and one to white pill people.And I feel really, really comfortable about that. I don't feel at all embarrassed about talking about Christianity.When I go out into the world, when I'm hunting, for example, and the fact that I go hunting pisses some people off.And I say to them, OK, I wrote a piece about this on Substack once.I say, the world is controlled by Satanists who sacrifice children to the devil, and you're worried about fox hunting. Get real. I think anyone who's against fox hunting is not actually fit to be properly awake, so they don't get it.They don't get that the war on hunting is part of the forces of darkness's war on humanitygenerally, on us ordinary people. If you saw how communities are bound by rural communities, economically they're bound, socially they're bound, the qualities that they instil in the people who do it, you know, courage, camaraderie, a love of the countryside, you know, we even love the fox for goodness sake, I mean, because the fox is a key part of the deal and we respect the fox, we like the fox, the fox is our quarry, okay, he's our enemy in the sense that he trashes chickens and stuff, and if you've seen the hen house after a fox has been in there, it's carnage.Everything that's going on in the world right now is a war on humanity, and we are created in God's image. And that is why they do it. That is why they divide us in all sorts of ways, whether it's through religious schisms, whether it's through things like animal rights, a division between artificial entirely, I think, created by propaganda, between meat-eaters and non-meat-eaters.Almost every division in society is created by the forces of darkness to divide.I think, left to our own devices, we'd all get on really quite well.We wouldn't have wars.We definitely would not have wars. Wars are all engineered by a tiny, tiny, tiny satanic, class. Where am I going with this? I can't remember what the question was.
Actually, on the Psalms, you talk about the Psalms, reading the 23rd Plasms, 91st and others.You've just started a series on the Psalms. Gavin Ashenden, I think, was the second one I watched that.That's intriguing because the only other person, I think I've seen Alistair Williams do, kind of looking at different parts of the Bible. It's something that's frowned upon, as you said, frowned upon in the UK. It's not the American right that where people are fairly open about faith, whether it's real or not. So what led you to actually going through the Psalms and talking about it? Because that's quite a step change. It puts you out there, makes you vulnerable.It's outside your lane, all of that stuff. 
Yeah. They came about me like bees, which are extinct, even as the fire among the thorns.How could you not respond to language like that? I mean, the language of the liturgy is up there with Shakespeare. It was written about the same period. I mean, I just quoted, I hope accurately, the psalm I'm just learning, which is Psalm 118. The one I've been using is, I started out using the King James versions of the version of Psalm 23, and then just KJV.But then a lot of the psalm translations in KJV borrow quite heavily from Myles Coverdale, who was translating them about 50 or 60 years earlier. And I think there's a greater charm in his translations. And so those are the ones used in the Book of Common Prayer, which were were the psalms I learned at prep school, or the psalms we sang at prep school.And I remember at school.And I was thinking, why?Why are we singing these dirgy, I mean, OK, some of the hymns are bad enough.But the psalms, you didn't really know what the point of them was.They were just, but looking back, I'm glad that I've got these phrases lodged in my head, which I was, it was like having a kind of Proust-Madeleine moment where I came back to learning these psalms and recognizing these familiar phrases which I'd resented singing at school or sort of croaking at school, you know, the fowls of the air and the fishes of the sea, and whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea, so Lord our governor, Herakles, which is my name, in all the world.There was a point, and I doubt even the head of music, who was also one of the school's benders, who used to molest us, I'm sure was the case in most prep schools.Everyone had a kind of molesty master.I doubt he was much of a Christian, not least because he introduced with relish the alternative service book of the 1970s, that horrible yellow band thing with the horrible modern liturgy. So he was probably part of Satan's mission. But anyway, unwittingly, he inculcated us with the language of Miles Coverdale, which has stayed with me since. The Psalms are as,I mean, I'd love to be able to speak Hebrew and read them in the original Hebrew. But certainly in their translation by Coverdale and the team that put together the King James version.They work as literature. They also work as a form of solace, because what they do is tell you that however bad things may get, God is there for you. They're kind of like an instruction manual.It is better to trust in the Lord than put any confidence in man.It is better to trust in the Lord than put any confidence in princes.I mean, if you learn those two lines, in fact, one of them would do, it'd be a very good manual for living out your life, because you wouldn't be putting your trust in Russell Brand.You wouldn't be putting your trust in Donald Trump. you wouldn't be trusting, you just remind yourself that the most important thing is God.And the better your relationship with God, the better life you have. Because God works his holy magic. I mean, all Christians can testify this. All real Christians know that this stuff is not imaginary, that there are ways that God helps you, that the supernatural, the crazy stuff works. And the Psalms were a daily reminder of this. And so if you can ideally learn them, because you inhabit them more thoroughly than you do when you're reading them.I mean, I have a treasury of poetry in my head as well. I learned a representative poem by pretty much all our great poets. I mean, I don't practice them as much now because I'm too busy reciting the psalms in my head.But when you learn poetry, with your stumbling process by which you memorize these poems and you get it wrong, you actually go through the process the poet went through when he was writing this poem. And in the same way, I think when you learn the psalms, you, well, you inhabit them, and they inhabit you, and that is a lovely thing to have running through you every day.
Yeah, because there are numerous times in the Psalms where it says, tell my soul, speak to my soul, and it is a framework.It changes your focus, not only the Psalms, but Proverbs, a guide for living, and whatever you're going through personally, that is what gives you hope, and you're right.If you soak in that, you're infused with that, then that affects what you do.
They have direct practical uses as well. For example, Psalm 91, which is a warrior's psalm.Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, nor for the arrow that flyeth by day, nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.A thousand shall fall at thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee.".This, I understand, is the prayer recited by the US Marine Corps when they go into action, and probably many other soldiers as well. And it protects you. It protects you. So that's a good psalm to have up your sleeve. 
You talk about confidence in what the Bible teaches about taking that on and that becomes who you are. I'm curious because when I look at the Church of England and doubt and how that fits, I mean I grew up a pastor's kid, Baptist church, it was certainty, it was absolute, you knew what you believed. Then you look at the Church of England and kind of there's a lot of fear of offending, and I guess doubt becomes a virtue. I'm intrigued with that, where I like the absolute uncertainty that parts of the church bring to the Bible, it is the Word of God, it is true, where The Church of England  seems to struggle with that sense of truth.
Well, I don't think it's just the Church of England. I think that all the, well certainly, the Roman Catholic Church, certainly the Church of England, probably most churches, have been infiltrated by the forces of darkness. Obviously, as you would. I mean, if you were devil, it would be your key target. The Pope is the anti-Pope. The Pope is definitely batting for the wrong team. So is Welby. And yet, I quite like, I'm quite enjoying the fact at the moment that I am a sort of floating voter in that notionally I'm C of E. But I find much that is good in the Calvinists I speak to and in the Catholics, particularly the Latin mass.And it enables me, I think, to speak to all Christians rather than... I mean, I love the Orthodox Church. You're like, wow, I'd quite like to be an Orthodox monk on Mount Athos.But- 
We could do that together. That'd be good fun. 
It'd be fun. It saddens me that there are these- you see it on my telegram channels, that the Baptists and so on, and the Calvinists and whatever, they think that Catholicism isn't really Christianity because they accuse them of worshipping Mary and saying prayers to saints and stuff. And it's a throwback to the emperor Constantine. He never really converted to Christianity. That was just fake. And what he did was he borrowed all the kind of pagan goddesses and you know all this and I'm thinking...God. I don't want to speak for God. But I have a feeling that God is looking at these schisms and going, guys, lighten up, will you? You're all doing pretty much the right thing. I don't believe that he is so picky, that he is saying, well, the Catholics, they are pagans. Look at at the Asherah pole they've got standing in the middle of St. Peter's Square. How can they not?The other thing I've noticed about becoming a Christian, is that the upside is the church, the broad church, the joy you get talking to Christians about Christianity. So the other day I went riding and you're going to be on a horse talking to people for the next couple of hours if you're out on the hack. And some of them are boring, some of them are not. So met these people and two women up from London and I said to one of them.And what's your name and she said I'm called Mariam I said Mariam oh that's an interesting name. It sounds a bit...Ethiopian.  She said, I'm not Ethiopian. I'm originally from a Muslim background. I said, all right. Yeah, well, Mariam, yeah, I've heard it a lot. It's sort of the Copts. I kind of like the Coptic church. It's really old. And I didn't mention that they've got the Ark of the Covenant somewhere hidden in Ethiopia. But I said, yeah, I'm really interested in Christianity. It's just, I think, endlessly fascinating. She said, are you? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't get enough of it. And she said, I was baptized three months ago. And I said, oh, wow. So the whole of the rest of the ride, we had this great talk about God. So that's what I love about Christianity, the fellowship.[The downside is that you get lots of really annoying Christians who do things like telling you, hinting that you're not really Christian enough, or correcting you on sort of doctrinal inaccuracies. I've got views that I know are heretical. I'm not going to talk about them here, because I don't want to get stick from... But look, I think that you listen to the the words of Jesus. You follow the Psalms. You've got the creed to keep you on the straight and narrow. Go to church if you can. Take communion if you can. We're all on the same team, I think.Can I pick up, just to finish on that cultural Christianity, which has been in my head for a couple of years watching different commentators, politicians, probably more stateside, they kind of, they yearn for those days whenever Christianity gave a moral framework, I guess, and they seem to want the idea that Christianity brings without having the person of Christ.And I enjoy watching conservative commentators struggle with that, that they want this but they don't. And it's like something is so attractive, it looks good, but yet that relationship with Jesus, that actually calls them back.Yeah, I mean, didn't Tony Blair claim to be a Catholic once?I have my suspicions about other conservative MPs who go big on their Catholicism.In fact, I have my severe doubts about any of the MPs who play the Christian card, because I think they're all basically working for the other side.I think what we saw during... I hate to use the word COVID like it was real.But what we saw was the puppets of Satan just doing the devil's work to the people, trusting people who thought these were their elected representatives.I don't think that I, it's not for me to judge, but I don't think there are many MPs, any politicians anywhere in the world who are not going to burn in hell.
But what does that, because I know, I think Thierry Baudet was with you a while ago, and he talked about the Natcon conference.And he was fairly dismissive of that actually being conservative and not only the big issues, but actually what I took away looking at some of those was that Christianity no longer plays a part in those circles, apart from lip service.Is that a fair enough assessment or disagree with that? 
Totally. Yeah, I mean, Natcon is definitely another example of the devil at work. Yeah, yeah.I mean, name me an MP, a politician of any hue, who talks about real Christianity, as opposed to Erzat's Christianity. Yeah, they might like the values.None of those values involve actually believing in God. I mean, can you imagine if you asked any of them about how the world was made?All they'd be doing is thinking of the headline that X believes that, lol, the world was made by God.Come on, everyone knows that evolution is how. was Big Bang and then there was this apparently Charles Darwin tells us, you know, one of the greatest Britons as named by the BBC, so it must be true, They wouldn't go there, they just couldn't cope with it.Oh a hundred percent. I had Eric Metaxas on once talking about the death of atheism and it's a phenomenal book going into the none of this can be luck and chance, none of it, the complexity of, the world. Just a quick question, what about push back on you because you're not supposed to have a series on the Psalms on your channel, that's just not done here. Kind of what pushback, have people say, James, get back to discussing COVID the last three years.
Oh, it's no, no, do you know what? I don't get much of that. I get more, I get the occasional commentator, who has clearly been following me for a very long time in my, in my normie phase where I believed in things like the war on terror stuff.And they're looking at me now and thinking this guy has lost the plot.He thinks it's a conspiracy and what's more, he thinks the devil's kind of running the show.He needs to, you know, hasn't he read any history books? Surely he knows that it was the North Vietnamese that started the Vietnam War, you know, with their...Torpedo boat attack on the U.S. fleet. So their reference points are reference points of those trapped in the beast system. All the history books are written for the devil's party. All the politicians work for the devil's party. It's everywhere. Look, it says in 2 Corinthians, doesn't it? That Satan is the god of this world. And unless and until you understand that.You are missing the biggest piece in the jigsaw. You're never going to get it. You can be right about vaccines, that they're bad for you, and you can be right about the importance of bodily autonomy and stuff. You stand up all these principal things, but until you understand that this is a war between good and evil, which has taken place since the beginning of our time on this earth, you really don't get it at all, frankly. 
100 percent. That is the piece of the jigsaw people have to get to understand everything else. James, I appreciate you coming on. As I said at the beginning, I've been wanting to have this conversation with you and unpacking, so thanks so much for coming along and sharing your story with us. 
Well thank you very much, I really enjoyed talking about it, part of my holy mission from God. 
Thank you, I think the last guest you had on the Delingpod, just for the viewers and listeners that haven't seen, I think was Abi Roberts.And we had her on after she got arrested for swearing, and Abi is a force of nature, so if people want to catch the latest one, it is Abi Roberts on the Delingpod, everywhere and anywhere. So, James, thanks so much for your time today. 
Thanks, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Ben Harnwell

Welcome to our weekly show that looks back over the past seven days and this episode it's the return of the totally brilliant Ben Harnwell!As the international editor for Steve Bannon's War Room and the host of War Room: Rome, who better to talk us through what has captured his attention, piqued his interest or made his blood boil in the news, on social media and in the tabloids.Topics up for discussion...- Israel at War.- Laurence Fox hits out at GB News after learning of his dismissal while being detained on suspicion of conspiring to commit criminal damage to ULEZ cameras.- From a Capitol Hill basement, Bannon stokes The Republican Party meltdown.- American Voters Trust Trump.- Donald Trump followers targeted by the FBI as 2024 election nears.- Out of the 8K troops discharged over Biden’s COVID vaccine mandate, only 43 have re-joined.- Average credit card interest rate reaches its highest level in 30 years.- British university offers master’s degree in a course exploring the impact of magic and witchcraft on society.
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Originally broadcast live 7.10.23
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Links to stories...Israelhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/07/hamas-launches-attack-on-israel-with-5000-rockets-liveLaurence Fox https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-fox-arrested-after-video-showing-police-in-his-home-shared-on-social-media-12976589Bannon https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/politics/bannon-republicans-gaetz-mace.html?unlocked_article_code=nKib4hCg4u08suEva1AfWAcYLcVc6pgYSxJc7tDrWUEI1NqNBZeNMF87o-NOb-88TkLQjTOMY7hrLxU77IiA_AFRzrUnJvp9wwH7BGRNYIKNGHs_Q-uy1VcHWTBzFnAVGdkQeBvun4tT45yONrWjAcKgzbOWiO2TIqe-wMqUv9l2IBQ3ENJ7HJKYnkqPOHEyr7SduRe1p4pODgfRbkUv-YxhgCosg0qQRcsO9QxrbZDNtOfKYm1qC8wzlb66ZbRucx0e4kaTKCLaS6VrPhcYfcGkkdnhqmSFpjFl7qt5VfTlAG8z4q4mzAAJ7pZBSlv1LrK8YzIPJERxrxhMpSyynIof_VCUnLEq-OhP&smid=url-shareTrump Followers https://gettr.com/post/p2rzjw54b28Trust Trumphttps://gettr.com/post/p2rznl90addTroops Discharged https://leoterrell.com/out-of-the-8000-troops-discharged-over-bidens-vaccine-mandate-only-43-have-rejoined/?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=gtCredit Card https://themessenger.com/news/average-credit-card-interest-rate-reaches-its-highest-level-in-30-years-reportMaster’s degree in magic https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/oct/04/exeter-university-masters-degree-magic-occult

Diana West - Has America Become a Police State?

Show Notes and Transcript
Diana West returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss a shocking Rasmussen poll which found that two-thirds of American voters are worried that their country is turning into a police state. The poll was carried out last month and 72% of those surveyed were concerned that the US was becoming tyrannical, with a government that is engaged in mass surveillance, censorship, ideological indoctrination and the targeting of political opponents. Even more incredible is that a whopping 67% of Democrats agreed with these concerns. This is a step change on American opinion and shows the deep mistrust of the government from both Republican and Democrat voters. Diana also gives us some insights on why she thinks a majority of those polled also believe that “The FBI is a danger to the freedom and security of law-abiding Americans”. We also discuss Trump and then turn our attention to the plight of the J6’rs and the outrageous jail terms being handed out.
Rasmussen Reports Poll: https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1704947091657662531?s=20
Diana West is an award-winning journalist and the author of The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy, American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character and The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization. Diana is also one of 19 co-authors of Shariah:The Threat to America (a Center for Security Policy publication).Diana’s work has appeared in many publications and news sites including The American Spectator, Breitbart News, The Daily Caller, Dispatch International, The Epoch Times, Family Security Matters, Gates of Vienna, Manhattan, Inc., M, Inc., National Wildlife Magazine, The New Criterion, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, The Washington Post Magazine and The Weekly Standard. She has made numerous television, documentary and radio appearances, and addressed audiences including at the American Legion, the Danish Parliament, the Heritage Foundation, the Hudson Foundation, ICON, Institute for the Study of Strategy and Politics, Judicial Watch, the National Vietnam Veteran and Gulf War Coalition, the Naval War College, the Union League Club, and Yale.
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Interview recorded 25.9.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Diana West. It is wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for your time today.
(Diana West)
Oh, it's wonderful to be back with you, Peter. 
Thank you. And of course, people can find you @RealDianaWest on Gab, and DianaWest.net is the website. People can look at either of those for your regular updates. And today, of course, a lot happening stateside, and we had, I think, Colonel Allen West on, probably about a week or two ago, looking at some aspects, more or less looking at the Republicans taking control of the House of Representatives a year on what's happened.But today we want to look on, is America becoming a police state? And this is a Rasmussen poll that you had sent over, which is fascinating reading. It gives an insight into those in the, U.S. and how they see things happen. And it is this here, looking at a police state. And the first question was, a police state is a tyrannical government that engages in mass surveillance, censorship, ideological indoctrination, and targeting of legal opponents. How concerned are you that America is becoming a police state? We can see overall 72 percent of the public said yes, they believe that America is becoming a tyrannical government that engages in mass surveillance with, you can see there in the poll, 67% of Democrats, 72% of Republicans, and 76% of GOP. Basically, we have a majority of the US public believing that is the case. So tell me about this poll, what you thought as a US citizen when you read that two-thirds of America do believe that their country is becoming a surveillance state?This, can I just preface my remarks by saying this is a surreal conversation, that we are having this conversation. I'm still trying to get used to this.I suppose, you know, my flippant comment would be, oh, they've been reading my stuff.No, no, this I think in some ways the most shocking aspect of the poll where there's the shock that the United States is becoming a police state. There's the shock that this is a poll question that is asked in very kind of, solemn or, you know, practical terms, very unexciting, just a poll question.Now, is the United States become a police state? Then such a large number, even including Democrats who generally lag on these things. And to find a consensus is good, as terrible.Terrible that it reflects the reality that I do believe we are in a police state, a new kind of police state, let us say, but also that it is a recognition by the public, as Rasmussen has polled them, that is not dependent on the mainstream media, on most, if not all, pretty much government officials, the academy, any sorts of institutions.This is alternate media, this is believe in your lying eyes, and it's also word of mouth.And so maybe there's a positive development in the sense that we're all coming on to the same page, but it's also the realization that our institutions, our leadership is part of that police state in terms of suppressing the truth.Could you see the Democrats, kind of we end up looking at them as a block, but in one way we see looking at the Republican side as split between MAGA wanting something different, wanting America first and the traditional establishment Republican, but then kind of you put it together and it is a uni party in effect.So it was intriguing that one, as you pointed out, the Democrat voters actually saw this.They've got a Democrat politician in the White House. how could they vote for someone and then accept that restriction?Well, it's... It doesn't, the Democrat side of this poll actually doesn't match other polls that I would say run parallel to this one. There was recently a real clear politics poll on freedom of speech.And this sort of reflected a little bit more of what I commonly see or what one commonly sees when Republicans and Democrats are pulled separately on these questions.Republicans tend to believe far more ardently in the importance of freedom of speech, whereas Democrats tend to believe speech should be regulated by the government, which is something we are seeing happening.In terms of the Rasmussen poll, that's a question I really can't answer unless there is just so much widespread disaffection and embarrassment at what is put forward as American leadership.I mean, you know me, Peter, I've been saying since 2020 that America underwent a coup in 2020.A rolling coup d'etat that went on from 2016 with the advent of candidate Trump to 2020 when they removed him from his second term. So this of course would be an embarrassment. The leadership here.As everything I've studied tells me, is in effect a puppet of some other forces. We know not exactly what. So yes, maybe Democrats as well are noticing the embarrassment of being forced to to submit to a demented man connected to corruption and treason as has been revealed over these years as well. So maybe they're just as embarrassed as anyone else and that is what was reflected in this poll and stricken it's not just a matter of embarrassment it's it's a deep we are We're all stricken here.And suffering. We're suffering the consequences. Again, in terms of American leadership, we have none. Just look at all of the indicators. We have what is referred to as the border crisis.It's not a crisis, it's a war. We have endless onslaughts at this point, as I'm sure you and your viewers are well aware, and suffering yourselves. We are now having this incredible uptick of illegal immigration invasion at our southern border, our northern border as well, but the southern border, of course, is much more extreme. And the people running this government, let's say, are making every provision to keep this going, to provide for these people.To wreck our cities and communities with more and more and more. And indeed, it's at the point now where you had a Democrat in New York City, Mayor Adams, actually say immigration is going to ruin this city. Well, it already has, but it's incredible when these people actually step out for a moment anyway and acknowledge reality. So we are in a crisis at so many levels, it's really hard to know how to even put it all together in this, just in terms of of cogent conversation.It's really a hot mess at this point.
Well, I wanna pick you up more on what Adams said, the mayor of New York, because that was intriguing.I was there a few weeks ago, and that, I guess, division within the Democrats, some of them waking up to the reality, is intriguing.Here's a picture that Rasmussen put up on their Twitter account just recently.And the whole issue of Biden himself.This shows him having a video call, I guess, with world leaders, probably in the mid of the plandemic, the COVID nonsense and not wanting to socialize himself.Obviously no one else in the room, in case they all died of this horrendous epidemic.But what about Biden himself? are Americans wakening up to his failure of leadership.And his inability, I guess, to lead America on the world stage?Well, I guess it depends who you talk to, because again, if he is a puppet in the White House, he's being controlled by some other forces.Those who actually support him or support his agenda will still defend it.I mean, you have liberal columnists, for example, like David Brooks or people like that, who talk about this wonderful economy or this wonderful candidate for a second term.It's a surreal experience when you actually see people supporting it.But as far as what Americans are waking up to, it's...We are not in normal times. And so therefore the political mechanisms that we normally look to for change or for redress or for continuity are broken. And so whatever it is that Americans are waking up to in terms of realizing how much trouble we're in, and again at every level, I think what is to people that I talk to, and I'm not talking to to a lot of Biden supporters.But I think there is this growing realization that we are in a rather helpless state.There's this sense that there's this election taking shape and these candidates trotting before us, including President Trump, who's having an extraordinary set of appearances, whereby he is received like a Messiah in many of these.I mean, I'm not trying to be blasphemous, but there is something incredible about the outpouring to this figure, this one man.But I think there's also this realization that what happened last time was never fixed, and I refer to 2020, and we still have all of these pitfalls, these handicaps on a free election, to put it mildly.And so it's almost like the whole thing is sort of a reality show that you unwittingly get sucked into, kind of cheering along or participating in, or thinking, gee, maybe we all could vote really again.But then you have this realization that this is all very alternate reality time.And so it's a really strange time in America. It's very dark time, I'm afraid to say.And where it leads, what conditions we'll be looking at next year come election time, I couldn't even possibly tell you. I just don't think it's going to be good.So that's kind of where things are as far as I see them. 
Because on one side, you've got people that believe in the electoral system, which is vast majority of us up until recently.And of course, in the UK, most of Europe, it is a paper ballot system.I know in the US, you've gone full flank into having a system that can be tweaked and changed.And corrupted at the flick of a switch, at the flick of a computer code.But you're right, to my side, very little has changed. And I worry about those who push in the thought that actually the election can change things where the system you're relying on hasn't changed.Am I missing something here?
No, no, and I think it may be something deep in human nature that is just difficult to accept the the terminus of a system of a democratic system the realization that yes, they will they will tell Rasmus and yeah I'm afraid we're going to be a police state or we are a police state. But then we can vote we can vote and and there is this.It may just be a inability to look into an abyss and really see what's happening. So it is a difficult time and people do get sucked in and emotionally it's almost as if they need to. We've gone through so much battering, all of us, going back certainly within the last three years starting with the whole COVID plandemic, the complete fraudulent shutdown of life as we knew it. And given the powers that were on display for that in concert, in absolute synchronicity all around the world that were able to affect the shutdown of our rights, of our businesses, of our lives, of our schools, of our children, all the rest of it, that still hangs over us.And so it's very much connected with what happened in electoral politics, to be sure.So maybe people are starting to understand it, but as with this amazing, shocking, overwhelming immigration crisis, alien invasion crisis, you can come to a realization and yet...It's too late. It's too late. What can you do? The fix or the pushback or the fight is so much more difficult when you've been lulled into or somehow paralyzed into inaction. And you know.Speaking of the Republican Congress, and I'm sure what Allen West was saying, my brother was saying, they've done nothing. They've had wonderful, wonderful hearings. And I've come to call them a chat show. Congress is a chat show. They have great guests. They, you know, come back next week and nothing happens. Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida had a fantastic kind of rant about this with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business this weekend where he made this case, she was really applauding what had been done by under Kevin McCarthy, the speaker, and Matt Gaetz was making the case, the reality, that nothing has been done.And let's just look at what the Republicans in charge could do.They could impeach, they can defund, they can even bring in the absolutely criminal judges of the D.C. Circuit who have been flouting and abandoning and abusing due process in all of the January 6 cases, which we haven't spoken of yet, but I know you're interested in that, that have come before the bench.They could bring them in and talk to them. They could impeach them.They could impeach the Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Mayorkas, who is overseeing our border invasion.They've done nothing. So it's, again, this feeling of helplessness when all of your institutions have essentially fallen or perhaps imploded from within and you didn't notice it.No, we'll get on the J6. The whole issue with with Gaetz and the Freedom Caucus is intriguing, certainly for me here in the UK. We don't have any Freedom Caucus in the Conservative Party, as we have in the UK. So I love the way you have that element holding the Republican Party to account. Tell us more about, because we've seen the conversations on the debt ceiling, but it goes much wider than that, and Matt Gaetz seems to have held his nerve along with that block and holding McCarthy to account. Tell us more about that.Well, they've been pushing, certainly pushing him and trying to hold him to account, but again, the power of the House is quite profound. You know, when you talk about, is America a police state?Well, a police state cannot function if the three branches of government, which are supposed to be co-equal, our executive, our legislative, and our congressional branch, judiciary, I'm sorry, judicial, executive, and law-making branches are supposed to be all co-equal.And of course, over the past century, we've essentially seen our presidency, the executive branch pretty much turned into a king, a kind of a king. And we've seen the House, or the Congress,House and Senate, we've seen them fall into, again, this chat show, certainly when the Republicans are in control. And so the fact that we are in this terrible place has a lot to do with the failure of Republicans in the House going back at least, I mean, you can, we can go through a history lesson, but I would say at least in the last 10 years, certainly from the Obama years to these years, the House has been empowered at very key points in our history during with the Obamacare period, around when the House and the Republicans came back, won historic victory in 2014 on the heel, something like the Freedom Caucus, but the Tea Party movement.And then kicked us all in the teeth by doing nothing, doing nothing.And then, you know, forward here, we get to the same kind of place where they are.They are putting forward a line and certainly the Freedom Caucus is extremely helpful in honing that line and keeping that sounding much more MAGA or much more, I would frankly say, constitutional and traditional.But again, there is no execution of House powers that do anything to balance or prevent the police state situation we're in from taking hold.And so that is really, it kind of neutralizes really the good that the Freedom Caucus could do because the bulk of the party and the leadership of the party is still holding a line, still backstopping, essentially, the left. And that's just reality. So it is, again, a uniparty with a very loud and noisy Freedom Caucus, which makes us all feel good. But, you know, Gaetz was right. Nothing has been done that could be done, according to their constitutional responsibility. Oath.Actually the curious thing is this the 70% believing that America is a police state, they're not getting that from the mainstream media, talk to us about how they are being informed because that goes against everything that has been pushed out.
Right well I think if all of say, the Trump, Biden, et cetera had happened in 2010, let's say, instead of 2020, I don't think people would think we were in a police state.I think we would have been fooled lock, stock and barrel and people might've thought, hey, we should have had some recounts. But I really think where we were 10, 12, 15 years ago was a very different place. We've been through a lot.We've been through a lot. And certainly the COVID plandemic was a major education for everyone. but what it did, because a lot of people have seen through that, through personal experience. I think what it did was cause a lot of people to say, well, hey, if the government can lie to us about a, quote, virus, which may or may not exist, and lock us down and destroy our world, and lying about it, and still are lying about it, even as we're experiencing a die-off that is going to approach genocidal levels before we're done, I'm afraid, what else they lie about us? And you go back and you start seeing, I'm just talking about my own experience, but I know it's mirrored in other people, you start looking at the 9-11 narrative again, you start looking at the JFK narrative again, and for me, because I study these things too, it does track back to the Pearl Harbor narrative as well. And so you start realizing, you know, Gulf of Tonkin in the Vietnam War narrative, you start realizing the extent to which the United States government, the Central Intelligence Agency. All other institutions connected, including the press, have been on board in terms of creating these crises to control us, to change our system as they fancy it.It has made people at this point, I think, much more awake. Then, of course, this summer, we went through a crisis that was barely covered in the media, which is a common thread for all of these things, terrible media coverage, of course, or propaganda, and so on. The fire that destroyed the city of Lahaina on the island of Maui in Hawaii. People don't believe the government narrative that global warming caused that fire. And people are still wondering where are all the children?Why did a wildfire do this? Why did the government of Lahaina not sound the alarm, not allow water to be used, keep people in the city?All of these shocking measures before you even get to the ignition of the fire itself.But people are smarter now and more savvy.I think that's why you get to that large number in the Rasmussen poll.We've been through a lot. And there's also this sense that I think Donald Trump was such an interrupter of the 2020, what was it, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, dictatorship, tyranny plan when he came on the scene in 2016, that they really had to go for it in ways that are far cruder and far more visible to us than they would have had Hillary Clinton come in in 2016.We would not be in this terrible crisis in a way. I think things would be much, we would have gone much more smoother and smoothly into oblivion and digital slavery and all the rest of it.But I think that this has been such a, you know, bumptious era and such a, you know, just bomb-popping era because they were not expecting Trump to come along. What did Trump do?Trump in 2016 awakened the dead part of America. Dead. It was gone. The MAGA people, people who'd given up on the system and were downtrodden. Can I tell you a quick anecdote? I have a friend who was a very established and celebrated news photographer, in the swamp at one of the major metropolitan dailies of the country.And he was out with Trump in 2016. He was out again in 2020.And I remember him saying to me that in 2016, he was shooting these rallies that Trump was going to all over, including the Rust Belt and everywhere else around the country, that the people coming out to see him, many, many thousands of people were down and out, looked terrible, poor, sad, sacks.When he went out again in 2020, they were, even after COVID, they were good looking, they were proud, they were outspoken, they were successful looking.He said it was the most amazing change.That's what Trump did. He awakened the American people who had been utterly disenfranchised by the Uniparty in Washington.And that's why they've had to be so extreme and crazy and aggressive in their consolidation of power.And I think the end game is messier and more violent as a result of it.But it's just where we are.I remember being a CPAC in March and being near the front block, I'm watching Trump's speech an hour and a half along with a prior smoldering speech.And I had never seen him in person, never seen him speak.There's nothing like it. That energy, that drive, that passion, that vision.It's not a, I'm a politician and here are my 10 point plan. It's something which actually connects with you within and drives you.And it's something that's basically not on the British scene at all.And that's why I loved being there and just being part of that and watching him.Well, it really was quite a phenomenon and, you know, where we are now is, you know, we're in such a, we're in such a difficult place.But it's heartening on the one side because he was a leader, you know, he is a very much a charismatic megafauna to use the term from natural history, but he was able to do such, a profound thing for America in just giving people a voice. And it turned out that's the American voice. And I do believe that in 2020, he won a historic landslide, the likes of which we'd never seen in American history. And that is what was stolen from us. It's not just him. It's stolen from him, but it is stolen from the people. And that is what this ruling clack, has complete and utter contempt for, and that is why they're so cruel.They're so cruel and dehumanizing, and it's the kind of people that can take you to a transhumanist place.They could hardly be worse in terms of where they rank on a humanity scale.And I think we see that, again, more clearly than we would have had the same kind of mechanism happened 10 years earlier because we are experienced now and we've been through it and we see it.
Which is why the battle for Trump winning in 24 is even more difficult. I want to bring you on to the second question on the Rasmussen poll. Do you agree or disagree with this statement, the FBI is a danger to the freedom and security of law abiding Americans? I think for 36 of Democrats agree, 45% of Independents agree, and 65% of Republicans agree, which is 50%.So in that you have 50% of Americans agreeing that the FBI is a danger.That's quite a change. What has kind of pushed the American people to that realization?One-third of Democrats, two-thirds of Republicans, 50% overall, that the FBI is a threat to them?
Well, I would say it's not a threat, it's the enemy of.And it became the federal police force that actually J. Edgar Hoover, the famous and much maligned, you know, famous 20th century director, feared that it would become and worked very hard to prevent it from becoming a federal police force. Because in this guise, it has become, it has taken on the guise of dictatorship polices, polices, that sounds like a funny, police forces, stormtroopers. And you can, all you have to do to know that I'm not just exaggerating, is look at the footage of the endless assaults on the homes of people who could very easily, be asked to appear at the police station to be arraigned. They have gone into, this started it started during the Trump years.And, you know, he is, President Trump is to blame for appointing Christopher Wray, a complete swamp creature, to be the director of the FBI.But it began during the Trump years with some extremely like military style assaults on the homes of various Trump people who were coming under arrest, whether it was Paul Manafort, Roger Stone.I think it was something like, gosh, it was dozens of SWAT officers in full tactical gear, including helicopters.And in the case of Roger Stone, it was frog men, because he happens to live near a body of water, coming to arrest him, this man who comes to the door in a t-shirt and shorts in the middle of the night.You know, it's absolutely a demonstration of raw, naked aggression against the American people.And this has been started, you know, with one or two cases. and now it is the norm for people in the political opposition movements.And this would certainly include many of the January 6th protesters who have been arrested for the protest on January 6th.These are non-violent, non-criminal, no one with records kind of thing, ordinary citizens being assaulted by the FBI in their homes with their families and their wives, et cetera, to be arrested and you look at that a few times and you think, oh, that's a danger.That's certainly a danger to our rights. And then you also understand the surveillance, the new surveillance.Normal procedures, which once upon a time would have been brought them into court for violation of our Fourth Amendment rights against illegal surveillance, search and seizure.It is now de rigueur to do something called geofencing, which has to do with surveilling a person through their phone and other media devices to see where they're going, what they're doing, their banking, their other habits.This is absolutely normal and again, it goes back about 10 12 years, When we learned from Edward Snowden. We learned it from Edward Snowden that all of our data was being sucked up by the federal government and logged into massive,I don't know what they are massive, uh online clouds all over the country or out West in these giant places, this is completely unconstitutional and director at the time of national intelligence Clapper perjured himself telling Congress that this was not happening. But of course Congress never actually recommended that he be indicted and he was never indicted and prosecuted. Another great moment in congressional history and judicial history, but this is where we are, where our rights have been taken from us and I think people understand that and when you have no rights and you have a SS-style federal police force arresting political opponents of the regime that took power in 2020, you go, yes, ergo sum, police state.Yeah. Tell us about the J6, because we've had Jake Lang on a number of times with Brandon Straka on recently.And of course, we've seen a 22-month imprisonment for the leader of Proud Boys who wasn't even there. And yet the media by and large think this is normal for someone to be jailed for something. They weren't even there whenever the so-called offence happens. What is happening with that conversation? Is it becoming more public, the frustration, or is it just something that's accepted because people have believed the lie that this was an insurrection.Well. I'd like to see some recent Rasmus and polling on that. I think that there is a great understanding, after especially after some of the video footage came out on the Tucker Carlson show, early in the summer or last spring. I can't remember exactly when it was it was spring or summer, And people saw that these great big boogeymen that were depicted to us with all kinds of Hollywood stylings actually were walking quite peacefully through the Capitol.And many people had never even seen that.And that started to really have a change of opinion, I do believe.In terms of, again, the FBI and the police state question, I think it very much figures into the discovery and revelations, which again, are not covered in a widespread fashion, but do seem to be getting out thanks to some intrepid reporters like Joseph Haneman at Epoch Times, Julie Kelly, and some others who are doing wonderful work and the work of the defense attorneys as well, who have revealed that there were federal agents answering to the FBI and other bodies present at the Capitol, leading or exhorting the protesters on to either violence or violent acts or entry into areas they ordinarily would not have gone into.And this has been documented to a point where even the groups such as Proud Boys, you mentioned when Enrique Tarrio getting the 22 year sentence, not being there, he was in a hotel room in Baltimore at the time, The Proud Boys were infiltrated by federal assets.The Oath Keepers, another one of these groups who were there to provide security for speakers and others who had been attacked at these kinds of rallies by Antifa, who's fine, they don't get any sorts of indictments, or Black Lives Matter, same, they too were infiltrated by federal informants. And so this, again, is part of the FBI picture that people are responding to, and the police state notion. We have political, politics has been effectively outlawed in the United States.We are essentially this, they are trying to consolidate a one party state with its, you know, Republican acolytes just for cover and for interesting chat show material.But they are essentially outlawing political opposition to a point where opposition groups are infiltrated and then falsely or entrapped into conspiracies.We saw that with the so-called Fed-napping, kidnapping, federal kidnapping of a plot against Michigan Governor Whitmer, which turned out to be a complete FBI-arranged entrapment.And we're starting to see some restitution in the courts on that.Oh gosh, I had a second one that also... Oh, oh, the, well, I'm sorry, go on, you had a question.
No, no, I just wanted to ask about the whole Ray Epps thing, because you've got seemingly individuals, part of the intelligence service, part of the FBI, who are moving the situation along.And they seem to get a slap on the wrist where people who were not even there get 22 years.It seems absolutely ludicrous. And zero pushback from the media.Well, it does. And this is the problem when you have such a, you know, such a sublant, submissive media or compliant media. But yes, Ray Epps is highly regarded, widely regarded even before January 6 as a federal asset. The night before he was exhorting people to be sure and go into the Capitol. And he was actually kind of razzed by the crowd. It's on video as a Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed.People are pointing to him saying, don't go in the Capitol, he's a Fed.So there was suspicion about him from the start, but of course, yes, he recently was charged with one misdemeanour, very rare.There may not be maybe more than one other of his poor defendants who came up with such a small charge, but given that he was doing what other people who've been slapped with much harsher charges and sentences, It's extremely suspicious.There's also the problem, which is not covered adequately in the media, of the federal government concocting evidence and planting it.And this is something that was established in court by the lawyers for Jeremy Brown, who was a former Special Forces veteran that the FBI tried to recruit as an informant before January 6.He refused. He was there. He's part of the Oathkeeper Group or had a relationship with the Oathkeeper Group. And essentially, nine months later, he was arrested and charged with having had explosives, a grenade, at the Capitol. But long story short, that grenade had no DNA from Jeremy Brown.And had DNA from a woman on it. It was planted in his van. And then there was also with the Proud boys, there was literally a document that was supposed to show they had a plan for insurrection that has been shown to have been essentially pushed into Enrique Tarrio's phone through a very strange chain of custody. Again, this kind of thing is not unusual, and you see the feds, creating this as an event, a la the Reichstag fire of yore in Nazi Germany, where it was a created event, to cause all kinds of political repercussions, and the destruction of political opposition, same thing here. So this must be getting out there because people have such a strong reaction on that police state question.But certainly it's proof, you know, it's evidence and the media hushes it up, but somehow you can find out about it and you, you know, people need to find out about it because it's truly shocking. And that's why this is now known as as the Fed-surrection.
Oh, completely. I mean, they're...Let's end off on another Rasmussen poll that they had put up and there are so many aspects to this.But this was a poll they put up just days ago. 56% of likely voters think the cheating, and I love that word that they're willing to use, will affect the 2024 election according to Rasmussen poll survey. Do you think that's changed since 2020 and if so what's changed since 2020 that will make your outcome different? 56% across the board, this is again across the board, it's not Republican, Democrat, 56% think that cheating affected the election.What does that mean for you for a U.S. citizen going forward looking ahead for, actually it's just a year away, just over a year away, for the next elections. How does that inspire you? How does that influence you? How does that encourage you to, I guess, engage with that political process?Well, it's very discouraging, and again, it gives you the feeling that you're participating in somebody else's reality show, and there's that sense that I won't be manipulated, but it's kind of almost a tribal right. You want to be, you want to participate, and you want to believe that it's an election. I don't believe in the election. I believe in miracles, so I suppose I will hold out the hope for a miracle, but at this point, we are post-election, post-electoral, post-democratic. We are existing under an illegitimate regime and I don't think that that has necessarily become widely understood. People still rail against Democrats or rail against Biden for this or that. This is a junta. You know, this happens in many other countries. It's happened all over the world. It was not supposed to happen here, but it did. And part of the success of this coup, is in the fact that it is censored and suppressed.
100%. Diana, there are lots we could discuss and I appreciate you coming on and sharing, certainly with our main UK audience, with the War Room Posse, who will obviously know this issue well.Just to finish off, I guess as a journalist, as someone who observes what's happening and tries to inform the public. What is your take on a lot of what you've seen? I mean you put out a strong line that America has to return to some of those roots of integrity, of election integrity, of media integrity, but how do you see that looking forward and what kind of is your key message, I guess, that you bring to the American people through your many writings over the following year?Well, now that's the hardest question of all. I think that we are—this is not a joke, you know, where we are.And I think that at this point, it's very important to take care of yourself and your family and be prepared for the storm. Because I don't think this ends well. That's not the normal uplifting message, but I do think people are taking this more seriously. We are at a point where our government is aggressively killing us and destroying our country. So it really is a time for a miracle. It's time for a miracle.
100%. To the viewers, we first had Diana on to discussing her book, which is 10 years old now, actually, American Betrayal, the secret assault on our nation's character, and just somethingaside as we finish that is an intriguing insight into the change of American society through the influence and onslaught of communism from the USSR and how that developed over time. So I'd encourage our viewers and listeners to get hold of that for something maybe fairly different from the conversation we've had, but I think it's essential to understand what has happened historically and then understanding that, being equipped with that information, I think we can better look forward to what we face ahead of us. Diana, thank you so much for joining us. People can find you @RealDianaWest obviously on gab and dianawest.net online. Thank you for sharing your insights on this huge topic which you know I'm certainly watching eagerly although I have no participation in the US election coming up in a year but we certainly look to you across the pond as hope politically, economically, militarily.Journalistically, maybe that's gone out the window, but we still look to you.So thank you so much for coming on today and sharing that. 
Well, thank you, Peter.It's always a pleasure to speak with you.

Gareth Icke - How the EU Shuts Down Dissenting Voices

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Gareth Icke joins us to discuss all things censorship. His Dad, David Icke has been banned from travelling to the EU for the past 2 years because of his "hurtful" comments and has just had his appeal overturned. He is regarded as a threat to community cohesion and free speech and the judge in the Netherlands has, surprise surprise, sided with the government and rejected his appeal against his travel ban. So anyone can have their right to travel in Europe blocked because they stand up for free speech?This is on top of the censorship being introduced through the Online Safety Bill in the UK and similar legislation in the EU. Gareth explains how and why we have been targeted and what we can do to ensue freedom of speech remains across Europe and beyond.
Gareth Icke is an activist, a singer/songwriter, an author, a former international beach soccer player, the presenter of ‘Right Now’, an uncensored current affairs show on the Ickonic Network and is also the son of the legendary truth warrior David Icke.He has been attending protests and rallies since he was a small boy and he's worked tirelessly in the movement for truth and continues to do so through docu-series, films, books, podcasts, rallies, speaking engagements and much more.Gareth's weekly show, 'Right Now', goes out every Friday at 7pm on ickonic.com.It gives guests from all over the world a chance to say their bit, covering a huge range of subjects that the mainstream doesn’t want you to hear about.
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Gareth Icke, it is wonderful to have you back with us again. Thanks so much for joining us today.
(Gareth Icke)
It's a pleasure, mate. It's always nice to chat to you.
Good to have you on. And of course, @GarethIcke on Twitter, @Ickonic, also on Twitter.Do you wanna, in case we have, obviously, many viewers from the Stateside as well, they may not come across Ickonic, do you wanna just give them a one minute precept of what they can find there and how they can find your material?
Yeah, well, Ickonic's a free speech platform, basically born out of censorship.So when Twitter started banning everyone a few years back, YouTube were banning everyone, Vimeo kicked off all the videos and all that sort of stuff.Parler came along as a bit of a free speech platform and then was quickly sidelined by the fact that it was using Amazon servers or whatever.So it became quite obvious to us that actually, Oh mate, no, you're gonna need the whole shebang in-house, because it doesn't matter if 5% of your infrastructure is owned by them and 95% by you.If they can pull that 5%, they can pull the lot down. So Ickonic was built and it came along, basically from November, 2019, and then the world went mental just a couple of months later.So we've kind of been at the coalface a bit from the very beginning, in terms of trying to get information out there and trying to get whistle-blowers testimonies out there and all that sort of stuff.So, and it's quite funny to be honest, Peter, cause I'm looking at things now that are widely accepted.And it's like, mate.People like me and people like you were talking about that three years ago and, being sent tinfoil hat memes. But there you go, but we keep plodding along don't we?I thought this was funny the other day because I don't know what your feelings are on this actually Pete because I've not spoke to you about it, but the Lucy Letby case is a bit, there's more to know there isn't there? This convicted child serial killer here in England, there's certainly more to know about that case. And I saw, oh goodness me, what's his name, writes for The Daily Mail, was very good during covid at the start and then went a bit quiet, Im trying to remember his name now, his Twitter handle is ClarkeMicah, oh man, whats his name. My brains gone. It will come to me in a minute, he wrote an article anyway in The Mail this week, 'Why is no-one talking about the Lucy Letby case?, I wish someone else would talk about itIt's like, yeah, we have been.
Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. 
Hitchens, Peter Hitchens. That was it. 
Peter Hitchens.Um, no, but a lot of these issues, you end up shouting the TV saying, we were saying that two years ago, three years ago, why did you not, and suddenly it's accepted.And I know, I know. 
Yeah, exactly. Vaccines being a huge one of them, you know, that, that kind of stuff is funny that you have, well, not funny, actually, it's, it's absolutely disgusting, but you have people like Sarah Kayat, who came on national TV and said that these are 100% safe and effective. They do this, they do that.People would have gone and got shot as a result of that and are now paying the price.And even though she was proven incorrect, she's still on telly now.And people like you and me get censored and deleted off stuff and whatever, and it's like...It's funny because we're literally not telling anyone to do anything.We just say, you've got to ask questions, that's it.
When you've got a blood clot or heart attack it's a bit too late to question what you've done so, but yeah.So much and actually wanted to chat to you today about restrictions on travel with those who have a dissenting voice or different view. And of course this, your father was banned from traveling to the Netherlands back in November last year, I think it was, for a freedom demo. And we'll get on to that specific, but I think probably back a couple of years ago, pre-COVID, I would have thought it's important for a government to be able to ban bad people coming in. You don't want people to disrupt the country. We need that mechanism in place. Now my opinion's gone the other way because I think at that point I trusted, institutions or governments to an extent now that's completely gone out the window.Well I think the thing is as well with you know these people that are apparently in positions of power that they're not really in positions of power at all which is why they need to try and silence people because I always think that comes from a position of weakness. It's likeI'll only fight you in the ring if you have your hands tied behind your back.You wouldn't be doing that if you were confident, that's ridiculous. So when you've got things like the online safety bill going through at the moment, they're controlling the narrative in terms of tech companies and they're controlling the narrative in terms of what people can say online.You can, you know, non-person people which is what they obviously tried to do with Alex Jones. But what you can't do then is stop someone taking to the street with a bullhorn and just putting their view out there so all of a sudden you're stopping people from traveling as well. The thing with my dad, it was insane, he was asked to speak at an anti-war rally.Right, so he was literally just going to fly into Amsterdam, speak at an anti-war rally, fly home, probably the next day, done. But they caused such a hoo-ha about it that they actually not only banned him from Holland for two years, they banned him from 26 other European nations, which are part of something called the Schengen List. And what people don't realise is, obviously, my dad was already banned from Australia, but countries like Canada and countries like America, the USA, they take the Schengen list as red. So you might well be banned from 26 European countries, but you try and go in America, you're banned from there as well, Sunshine.So he's essentially banned from, you know, and New Zealand is another nation that does the same, takes the same thing. So you're essentially banned from a large percentage of the world.Well, certainly the parts of the world that speak English that you can converse with you know, easily, for wanting to attend an anti-war rally. And what's crazy, is that they basically, you know, they made up all these allegations, all of which were completely false. They ruled on those allegations and he was banned. So then some solicitors, some lawyers in Holland took umbrage with it and so they actually worked for free, they weren't even hired. They were like, no, we're not having this. So they appealed on behalf of my dad.And so we were all watching it as the Dutch government had to basically make their case to the judge. And so they were, you know, saying all this stuff. And it was funny because the, Dutch lawyers on my dads side were literally just, they were throwing tennis balls and they were just smacking everyone out of the park. And it was actually quite, it was almost painful to watch, Peter, I actually almost felt bad for the government, right, because their spokesman that was there was so confused and lost, he didn't really know what was going on. And so all these accusations were all knocked out the park, rubbish, this is rubbish, here's the evidence, why it's rubbish, blah blah. So in the end it ended up with one thing, which was my dad had said that people, and this was in a documentary Renegade that was like made years and years ago, where he was saying that we the many, we the population, we the world population need to put down our fault lines of race and colour and sexuality and income bracket and all this bollocks and we need to stand as one against those that are basically trying to rule all of us by dividing us and then ruling us. We need to stand up, we need to come together. That was apparently a rallying cry against government which is therefore terrorism.
Wow. 
So I'm laughing, honestly, I'm watching it and I'm laughing. We've got Chrissy, my dad's partner, she's Dutch, so she's translating it and I'm laughing because I'm going, oh mate, they are in big trouble here, this is hilarious. And then the judge goes, yeah, yeah, sounds about right, yeah, bang. So upholds it, right? And so there was the other appeal which took place, about a week ago, where again, they had to rule and they were supposed to give their verdict.They then made my dad wait 10 weeks. So, you know, he can't travel anywhere for 10 weeks.And then they came in with a verdict saying with the judge who doesn't even lift her head up because she's so bloody shamed. The, yeah, if the government says you're a danger, then yeah, you're a danger. So yeah, you're banned still. 
So that's what's come out now that they, they agree.And because he was banned because I read different things, it's always fun to read what the BBC, what the mainstream media are saying, and then you understand where they're coming from, that he was a risk to public order. I think he said, the BBC said he would cause tensions between different groups and disrupt public order. And that's a, you're right, that's a red flag to any, if any government sees this individual is a risk to public order.You don't want them in your country. So it would make sense for every other country to follow that judgment, that statement. 
Well, that's the thing. But what was, what was funny about that is I got an email, it actually came to me. So they notified him that he was banned from 26 European countries by emailing his son. Right. I got the email. It's extraordinary. So it's in Dutch. So obviously I don't speak Dutch. So I sent it across to Christiana. I was like, what does this say? So then she came back saying, this is insane. They're using anti-terror legislation to ban him. So I was like, oh my goodness me, that's extraordinary. So I then went public with that. I was like, I've just got an email from the Dutch saying that they're banning him from 26 nations based on anti-terrorism legislation and a danger to public order and a danger to society. I then just got jumped on by loads of your Matthew Sweet, that BBC knobhead, people like that all jumping on me going, oh the Dutch, did they all email you together? It's like.You know what I meant, dickhead. You know what I meant. And then a Dutch newspaper got in touch with me basically, you know, trying to fact check it saying that no, they didn't say he was a terrorist. I didn't say they said he was a terrorist. I said it was anti-terror legislation, which is what they were using to ban him. I've literally got the email, mate. And he wouldn't let go, this guy. And in the end he did, you know, because obviously he realized, because then they actually started during the appeal using the word terrorism. So at that point, I think he had he had to crawl back under his little rock. But for a while he was on my case, this this Dutch journalist guy. And when I say on my case, I mean, like replying to my tweets underneath saying that's not true. It's like, read the email now, mate. And so, you know, they all kind of, sort of, went for me a little bit about announcing it, which was hilarious to me, because it's like, hang on a minute, so I've just told you that a man who's never been, accused of a crime, has never been investigated for a crime, has never been tried for a crime, certainly never therefore convicted for a crime, is banned from 26 countries because he wanted to attend an anti-war rally, and your issue with it is the fact that I use the term the Dutch, not the fact that this is happening, this is a man in his 70s, do you know what I mean? Like, what the hell are you on about? And it kind of puts things into perspective as well. When I saw, you know, this whole outcry with the whole Russell Brand thing. Now, I found that weird, if I'm honest, Peter, because none of us know if he's guilty or not. I don't know what he's like.I don't know him. I don't know what he's like around women. I know he's a bit of a sleazeball.That doesn't mean, of course, he's a rapist, but yeah, he's a bit of a sleazeball. Can I believe?Yeah, of course I could. But can I believe someone's setting him up? Yeah, I can believe that as well. I don't have the answers. Therefore, my opinion is, I don't know. Let's see what happens. Whereas lots of people within the alternative or so called alternative, if you can call GB news alternative, all jumped on this whole he must be innocent thing. And I, remember reading it thinking, What are you doing? You haven't got a clue if he's innocent or not. This is extraordinary. Like, wow, man, this is madness. Yeah, none of them said anything when my dad got banned from 26 countries didn't say a word.So it's like, you know, this guy who's a multi multi millionaire is demonetized by YouTube. Yeah, that's wrong. But you're kicking off about that, but you're not bothered about a man who's banned from 26 countries.It's quite odd to me, actually, how people can pick and choose who they wish to defend and who they don't wish to defend in terms of freedom.It's, you know, freedom for everyone or freedom for no one, surely. 
No, it is.And I'm exactly the same line as you on the Brand issue, on the sidelines.And I'm amazed how commentators and journalists suddenly become experts at whatever topic is thrown at them without looking at it.They just overnight, they suddenly know all about the case. That is impossible and frustrating.
It's very strange. And it's on both sides as well, mate. Like, you know, that's what I said in my monologue last week and I've got a little bit of ear 'ole grief for that.But it was that the fact that you can decide, we're now at a point as a society, we can decide whether someone is guilty or not of sexual assault based on what their politics are and whether we agree with them or not.That's mental. So people will look at Russell Brand and go, oh, he's a conspiracy theorist.Yeah, he's definitely a wrongun and guilty.And then the other side will go, no, no, no, no. He was anti-jab. He can't be guilty.What do you mean? It's just madness. The only people that know whether he's guilty or not is him and the people that are accusing him.So the idea of jumping, you know, I mean, innocent until proven guilty, of course, you know, having the government write to people like Rumble to try and get him taken off and demonetized, that's extraordinary.And I'm bang against that. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Brand, but that doesn't matter.Bang against that, that's outrageous. But the idea that people, like you say, can comment and say that he's innocent.You haven't got a clue, mate.None of us do. 
Well, that is obviously, I guess at some point or other will go through the courts. So we'll touch on the social media side a bit more. On the travel side, I was intrigued because obviously there is pressure from left-wing governments and individuals to restrict the movement of other people. We've seen that over the last three years and this was a two-year travel ban. And it says actually the Amsterdam's Mayor, Police and Prosecutors Office asked originally the demonstration organizers to uninvite Mr. Icke for his hurtful statements. I didn't know a hurtful. Something you say may hurt someone's feelings. So it's basically if someone's feelings are hurt then that must ban you from world travel. Wow.
You can't say anything now without hurting someone's feelings though. Do you know what I mean?If you say that a woman can't have a cock, that's offending someone. It's just madness. And also, who cares if people are offended? Like, honestly, who cares? It's just words, man.Like, I see things all the time that I think of a bang out of order and disgusting. I think having men shake their naked arses in front of kids in the street pretty frickin disgusting. But, do you know what I mean. I don't see these people getting banned from nations. It's extraordinary.It really is very, we're in a real, we're in a real weird place. But I also think that we're in a weird place because there is a fear there within the establishment that people are waking up massively on a much, much bigger scale.And I think they were starting to wake up. I think we've discussed this before, people were waking up even before the Rona.The Rona just absolutely accelerated it because people started to smell a rat and also people sat at home and had more time to look at stuff that they'd never looked at before.And it would start to resonate with them, hang on, I might be on to something.And so it feels very much like they're just trying to get the stable door shut.And part of that will be to do with shutting up the other side.You know, shut them up online, don't talk to them on the mainstream media, only ever have your voices on the mainstream media, ban them from countries so they can't travel and speak to people in person.You know, I mean, they've been doing that to my dad long before they banned him from traveling.You know, the fact that he's touring around the UK at the minute, and it's called the secret tour where the loca... I don't even know the locations, Peter. I don't even know where they are. It's that hush-hush that I don't even know where the venues are. So people will message me like a couple of days before Oh, you couldn't give us a heads up, could you?And even if it's people I know, Peter, and I've known for years and I trust them, I'm like, mate, I don't even know. I don't even know. That's how cloak and dagger it has to be because, if these anti-hate organisations find out where they are, they will harass and threaten the venues. That's what they do. They contact the venues, they say, he's this, he's that, don't put him on. And if the people then have the courage to go either, well, that's not true. I've read his books, or, well, I believe in free speech, then they threaten the staff.And that's what they do.We can't, they use very, very clever terminology. They say, well, we can't guarantee the safety of your staff then based on X, Y, and Z.And they just plants that seed. So, a venue organizer will be, Oh, geez, I mean, I've got to protect my staff.Sorry.Sorry, boys. I've got to pull it, you know. 
It's true.It is that commercial pressure and no one wants their building smashed up, but also is this, the whole question I think regarding, one regarding the social media side, but also regarding the courts, which we've seen is, who's the arbitrator of truth, or what is permitted speech, and we have all these words thrown around, misinformation and disinformation, and then we have the fact checking, so the government tell us what is accepted and what is not. This is brand new this level of government alliance of what is permitted and what is not and if you fall in one category and then there is there is punishment and I guess this is the government obviously with the online safety bill trying to catch up with the scope and range and reach that the internet provides. 
Yeah and the thing is as well is it's you know it's it's cleverly designed currently to be cheered on by one side. So people who identify as left leaning at the minute will be cheering on the online safety bill because it's sold to protect them from far right extremists and protect their kids from grooming and all this kind of stuff when it's obviously doing nothing of the sort. But what these people don't realise is that these left leaning people that are now cheering it on with the same left leaning people that were being marginalised and shut up because they were calling out the invasion of Iraq not that long ago. And so narrative switch and they shift and governments are very, very contradictory. And so these people that are cheering it on now it will come and bite them in the arse in two years, three years, four years. And you know, it's the same thing you have all the time. It's that first they came for. So I mean, the people are so short sighted, it's extraordinary. Everyone should be defending free speech. I can't stand a lot of nonsense that comes out of people. But they should be able to say it.Because I shouldn't expect free speech if they can't have it, it's not how it exists. Everyone should be able to speak freely and their ideas out in the open and debated. This is the thing that people don't seem to realize as well, by shutting people up and silencing people and marginalizing people, you don't stop them thinking a certain way, you just drive them underground.And so actually, what you'll end up doing is creating extremists.And that's not hard to do that if you start making people feel like they don't have a voice.It's that whole, what is it, riots are the language of the unheard or whatever.And that can go to even bigger extremes than that.I feel like it's a really important time at the moment.It's a really important time. And, you know, it's interesting, you mentioned about these, these anti hate groups and these fact checkers, because they are up to their neck in it.They're political organizations. You know, I just saw the other day, you've got the Centre for countering digital hate, which is an organization that's pushed massively for the online safety bill, Damien Collins, who is a big cheerleader, he's a he's a member of that organization. And the front man of that organization, Imran Ahmed, no one knows anything really about him. I mean, he's a former investment banker.He was a spin doctor for Angela Eagle when she was standing against Corbyn.But what they don't realize is, oh no, no, no, no, no, no. They're an independent organization. Okay.Why then on Companies House is Imran Ahmed still a director of Labour Campaigns Limited?So you've got a guy that's the director of an organization on one side of the political sphere in the UK, while his other organization that's independent, is shutting down debate and shutting down people that are saying anything against the narrative.I mean, it's extraordinary that it's there in black and white for people to see, yetThe BBC, Sky News, whoever, even CNN and MSNBC have rolled out Imran Ahmed on the regular, to give his opinion on hate, the state of hate. I've got my name in that this year, state of hate. It's a badge of honour. 
We were in it one year and then a second year and it was a bigger piece. And I really wanted to write to hope not hate and say, uh, really excited that we're growing in presence. Please let us know what we could do better next year to have a larger spread, because I would like a double page spread. What do I need to do to do that? And just mock them. 
Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's also, you know, they're always what they accuse you of. So you look at these silencing organisations, these narrative managing organisations, they're full of hate, like they're absolutely full of hate. The way that they talk about people and the things they say about people and the emotions that they evoke in other people against these people.Is just hatred and then you actually look at the people they're saying are hate figures and most of them are just freedom fighters that have not got a hateful bone in their body. You know, it really is extraordinary. It really is extraordinary. We are in an inverted world.
I think we've lost, you talk about the media and we've lost that investigative journalism that you would have thought decades ago where hard work would have been done as a scoop and even if it went against the norm or against a newspaper's editorial that there was an ability to put that out. That seems to have gone and certainly in the last three years I guess it will continue where the media becomes a mouthpiece of the government whether it's COVID, whether it's online safety bill, whatever the next thing is.They will simply do what they are told and that's a level, certainly we haven't witnessed in our lifetime. 
No, there's still some about trying to do good stuff, but like you say, they get bizarrely marginalised and maligned and attacked for going against the tribe. One of them, I think, Max Blumenthal was one of them, who was a darling of the left when he was calling out Israel, as he continues to do. Yet when COVID hit and everyone started wetting their sheets and he started calling out draconian measures and restrictions and mask mandates and jab mandates. Well, Max has lost his mind. No, he hasn't. No, he hasn't. He's exactly the same man as he was before, which was trying to call out wrongdoing. And now, obviously, he runs the grey zone. The the the left is now Slava Ukraine.So they they just they think he's really gone off the deep end just because he's now calling out NATO, but you were calling out NATO.It's just the narrative shifted within your tribe and you didn't leave your tribe because that's what I belong as. That's my social media. I'll have to update my bio if I leave the tribe.It's hard work that. So they have to stay within the confines of that tribe. And it's the same on the right. Don't get me wrong. People have mental gymnastics to explain away things.I mean, the Trumpsters are kings of that. When he pushed the jab.What? When he didn't pardon Julian Assange? What? What's that? I'm sorry, I've got to go.Do you know what I mean? Like people, they don't want to... No, no, no, he just did that because...Deep state and that. Like people have these mental gymnastics too because they don't want to admit that actually, okay, you know, your tribe is faltering as well, you know. That's why I'm not part of a tribe, Peter. 
No, I think people see Messiah figures everywhere and that's the danger whenever you lift people up to that level and don't see them as leaders but as flawed individuals who can screw up at any moment. It's a very dangerous position to be in and you see that on both sides, your right, left and right.
Well that's one concern I had with the whole Russell Brand thing, you know, there was two sides to it which was he's definitely guilty because he's a wrong un and then he's anti-vax and he's definitely innocent because he's on our side. Those are the two seem to be the suit polar extremes. And then I'm thinking in the middle of it, I'm thinking, well, I don't really trust this guy. I've never really trusted Russell Brand. He's invented himself more times than Cher.He just kind of tries to find a little, you know, little gap in the market. Or, you know, what can I what can I how can I exploit that free or, you know, the alternative freedom movements growing, that's quite popular, their money's as worth as much as anyone else's, right? I'll get myself in there. You know, I can remember the times when he was being chucked in the fountain at Trafalgar Square, people seem to forget that he, was trying to sort of, you know, co-op that sort of stuff as well. And people saw through him then.And so I'm looking at it and I'm going, do you know what? if you wanted to infiltrate a movement.What better way than being attacked and taken down by the establishment?It gives you some credibility. If you're going undercover into an organization, the police will give you a kicking, the police will arrest you, even if you're an undercover copper, because it gives you then more validity to the group that you're infiltrating. So there's a little part of that. And then I'm looking at it, I'm thinking the freedom movement, whatever you want to call it, it doesn't need leaders.I've never believed it. The truth is just the truth. And the more people that speak it, the more the world will improve, I think and the more people will be held accountable, but it doesn't need leaders It doesn't need that Messiah complex. Like you say everyone along you get make a statue of him doesn't need any of that nonsense, Yet, we've been given leaders. We didn't ask for him I don't know if you asked for Andrew Tate to be a spokesman for our movement. I certainly didn't, I mean, I didn't ask for Andrew Tate. I didn't ask for for Russell Brand to be you know, the spokesman for our organization, our movement and our freedom and our awakening yet we were given them and now we're watching them systematically getting taken down and in some ways taking some of us, not me and you because we've kept our powder dry on it because we don't know the answer, but it will take down a lot of people. Russell Brands, you know, if he is investigated and he is found guilty and he has been up to no good, How are some of these social commentators and some of these TV presenters? I mean this game over mate. No, my I mean my on both, on both Tate and Brand my huge issue is when individuals are as narcissistic as that, whenever it is purely, and we've both met all great people over the last three years in all of this.And to meet people who are high profile, but also humble, and it's not about them, but it's about the issue. You really warm to that, but then you look at the Brands and Tates of this world, I think that level of narcissism just really turns me off.
Yeah, it's, you know, for me, I'm always looking forward. So it's like, how can we make this world a better place?And, you know, I look at, like you've said, some people we've met during this time, people like Dr. Cartland, people that have lost everything and spoken out the whole time is incredible.And, you know, if my, like my daughter was poorly the other day and I was flying solo, so I just get proper paranoid.She was all like, she'd got a real temperature and I was just like,  so I just messaged Dr. Cartland, I sent him a video of her while she was sleeping, with her breathing and stuff like that. He's messaging me back, he's checking up the next morning, how is she, you know. So I mean, it's just like, these are genuine people.And then, and then the ones that are promoted, like you say, yeah, like, oh, here I am with my, you know, Bugatti. I don't give a shit, mate. Give a shit. What are you on about? It's just, that's not what this is about. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's extraordinary. And, you know, both of them are quite guilty of having this whole sort of word salad nonsense as well, where they would just chat away word salad that had a few long words in it so it makes them sound intelligent. But actually half the time they're not saying anything and half the time they're only saying things that people that get banned from 26 countries were saying years and years years and years ago.There's nothing new there, you know, it's and what makes me laugh a little bit, I have to say, is that, you know, Brand will be put on the mainstream media brand will be, will be pushed and, you know, how many million on this network and how many million on this social platform.Because he's a socially approved freedom fighter, but then they won't touch my dad, because it's too dangerous. You can't touch an Icke, it'll backfire on you if you touch an Icke.And it's like, or that's not how it ended up there, is it? That's not how it ended up.Do you know what I mean? So it's like, people will speak out on behalf of Brand because it's the safe thing to do. I'm not sure it is really. I'm not sure it is at all.
No, when someone gets a free pass on social media, you always wonder. I wonder looking at YouTube, but those who don't have strikes, who can say what they like, and I'm thinking, I'm sure they said exactly what I was saying, and yet I got hit. And that protected status makes you wonder where they've come from and why they're there.
Well, exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's uproar, like you say that he's been demonetized from by YouTube and you think, but you know, if my dad even has a video that someone interviews him and they put on YouTube, they delete it straight away. To the point where when people want to get my dad on YouTube, anonymous have done it a couple of times where they've featured him, they will they will edit his voice, they make it sound really deep, and they doctor the voice so it gets past the algorithm. So on one hand, you've got someone who's got algorithms of their voice set up so that they can't even say a bloody word on YouTube. And then on the other hand, you've got someone that you've just demonetized. And it's kind of, you know, I don't agree with either of those things, but the fact that some are very happy to put their careers on the line to stick up for one, but don't say a word on the other, I find quite odd.Oh yeah, 100%. Can I go back and look at the legal side, which we started on, and that's, used in regards to the freedom of social media and battles happening between what people can and cannot say and what restrictions there are. But how have you seen, we've seen the battles on COVID restrictions, on fines and lockdowns, and those have, I don't see them as been massively successful through the courts. You've obviously watched over the last year with your father going through the court system there. How have you seen that? Because again, the court, you have to have a way of pushing back against that level of government tyranny. Have the courts worked in that regard as you've seen or not at all? 
Not really, not from what I've seen. I've seen the odd victory here and there on an individual level maybe in terms of a job reinstatement or, suing an employer for wrongful dismissal or something like that but on the largest scale, you know, these people own the courts.Like I said, the ruling on my dad, the judge doesn't even look up.If you took her out to a wine bar and you went out the back to a private room and just said, look, no one can hear what you're saying in here, she would almost certainly be like, yeah, I think it's nonsense, outrageous.Yeah, but that's not what you ruled.That's not what you ruled, and that's not what the one ruled before when they were trying to say that he was a terrorist and all this sort of stuff.If you get these people on their own, then they would probably go, yeah, I don't agree with it, but it's more than my job's worth.And that's what a lot of these people are like. They just don't realize that actually this is coming for them in the end.It's coming for their kids and their grandkids as well.And it's so massively short-sighted, which is why I find people like Dr Cartland so great because they are, they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause, whereas others aren't.And unfortunately, these are people in positions that actually could make a difference.If you could have a judge that could rule and have a real landmark ruling for freedom, then that could send ripples, but no one seems to have the courage to do it.
Were you given any access? I think part of my concern also is that decisions are made behind closed doors or access is not given to the rulings, to the conversations, how they came up with that. You've got like a final, this is it. You're not allowed to say that. You're not allowed to travel here.You're not allowed to be on that platform. And you don't actually know, if you don't know how the person has got there, there is no way to reason or push back. How was it in this case, in the Netherlands? 
Oh, exactly the same, mate. Basically, my dad was in the office.He was like, right, I've got to go in now and I'll get the ruling. He knew what the ruling would be.Everyone sat in the office, knew what the ruling would be. It's obvious, you know. Um, so he literally just went in there, sat in the office, got told by the judge what the ruling was, and then within 10 minutes walked out of the office again. There's no involvement in any way of where that decision making has come from. You know, you've, it's stupid really, because you've had to wait 10 weeks for someone to tell you what you already knew they were going to say.They could have just sent you a WhatsApp voice note saying, yeah, you're not coming in son.Save my time. 
Or drop you an email. 
Yeah. Yeah. From the Dutch. But that's the thing, isn't it?We knew what the answer would be. There's no involvement on that decision-making process, but there never is. You think about COVID, Johnson would just come out and stand at that podium at 5 PM and tell you what the situation was going to be. There was never any, input. There was never a referendum on any restriction. No one got a say in anything.We're just listening to the experts, those ones with hundreds of thousands of shares in pharmaceutical companies, those experts, I saw this, actually, this is GB news, right? Because I know what we're saying earlier about GB news being alternative, right? So GB news put an article out about how an expert was saying that this, that this COVID strain was going to do x, y, and z. And this was going to be worse than whatever, and millions more would die. I don't know who the other millions are before, but apparently millions more are gonna die. And it says it in the headline, expert. So I'm like, right, okay, well, I'm gonna look who the expert is. So I had a look at the expert, expert was, it's a financial consultant that was part of procuring the first round of vaccines.
Wow.
So it's a businesswoman. But it said COVID expert. I don't even know what that means.I mean, surely me and you are COVID experts after three years of this nonsense, but it's just funny, isn't it? Because people don't read the small print.They don't. People just see headlines and they know that.They know that's why they do it.So you put that in the headline. The amount of times you see a headline, you go, oh my God, you read the story, which most people don't and you go, well, that's not what they said at all.That's not, that's not even what the story is, but people read headlines. That's what they do.
And there was a on, on GB news. One thing was stuck with me when the Brand situation came out and he had talked about online safety bill as a reason why he was being restricted and banned and GB news said, well, he is, you said the online safety bill was become law, which is not true.No, it more or less. I mean, what, what is King Charles not going to stamp it?It's passed. It is what going to become, but they were putting that doubt in people's mind.And again, I thought, no, that is, that, that is misinformation.That is saying something which isn't true just to discredit someone.And I thought journalists are supposed to delve a little bit deeper, but no. 
No, they don't.They don't. And the thing is with, I always think with alternative organisation or so-called alternative, The litmus test really, on a personal level, is whether they'll touch a member of our family or not.Cause it's, it's the most offensive four letter word in the world at the moment, our surname. Right. So I got asked to go on to, I think you were there when I got asked, I think it might've been when we were in Gibraltar, I got asked to go onto GB news and I laughed and I laughed. I went right. Yeah. Okay. I'll talk to anyone, me. So I was like, right. Okay. Let's, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen, right?What they're gonna do is they're gonna start advertising it. And then I'll get a message saying, I'm sorry. We double booked you. That's what I think is going to happen. So, it was Jen that I was talking to, she was like, well, maybe, but we'll go for it anyway. I was like, all right, fine. So I was out walking with my mate, we walked from Chesterfield to Sheffield, which anyone that knows England, that's quite a stomp, right?About 20 miles. 
On one of your crazy walks. 
On one of my crazy walks. Yeah. So so me and my mate are stomping along. Now I'm supposed to be in London the next morning to go and do this GB news thing. I knew it wasn't happening. So I've got a hotel in Sheffield for the night before, right? Worst case scenario, if I'd have got up in the morning, and it was still on, I would have just hopped on on the train straight down, bosh and I'd have done it, it'd have been fine.But I wasn't gonna put myself out. I wasn't gonna get a hotel there the night before or anything like that, because I knew, whatever.So then I got a message saying, oh, can you plug it? Because they're gonna plug the interview now.I went, all right, mate, yeah, no worries. So I put it on my social media, right?I sat down, this was at Rother Valley Country Park, it's about 50%, about 50% of the walk through.There's a nice country pub there.Do a good pizza and a pint, right? So me and my mate sat there.The time it took me to tuck into a pizza, which anyone that knows me, ain't long, right?Bosh, I already had a message, right? Oh, there isn't a show this week actually, there's made a mistake.I went, all right, so I was gonna go for the double book, but okay, isn't the show this week?That's slightly left field, but either way I've been cancelled, right?About 10 minutes after it's been announced.And then weirdly enough on the next day, there was a show, there was a show, weirdly enough, just didn't have me on it, right?And I just thought then, do you know what I mean? I'm not, I don't say anything offensive.I'm not going to come on telly and effing Jeff and, And, you know.Anything else, you know, but what's happened is you've announced that it's on and you've got a phone call pretty quickly.Because of the surname, you're not having it, you know.Yet you have these other people that are apparently going to change the world, they can get their faces on every TV screen and they can get a microphone in front of their face whenever they want.
 No, but actually the flip side of that is, that's why we do generally pre-records. We do the Saturday evening live and it's with guests.We kind of have on semi-regularly, but other guests, because you put out that you're doing a live and then they phone up and say, oh, I've had all these complaints or I'm being attacked or I'm really sorry.I can't do it. And generally, if that happens, the guest you're going to have on is surprised at the vitriol they've got from some hope not hate somewhere. And they don't want to get the shit. I get that.I don't want to give them that either, but that's why it's often, you're probably the same doing pre records. Cause then it's in the bag and it will go out.
Well, we, yeah. I mean, early in doing the show here, I would do, you know, a little video a couple of days before, you know, on the show this week, we've got Joe blogs, we've got X, Y, Z, X.Y, you know, any questions you want to ask them, you know, whatever, that kind of thing to get a bit of sort of audience participation.And then that happened to us a lot, the same thing.These people are just get attacked and whatever, and then you'd soon have a cancellation email.So we're the same mate.We interview people, we do the show, it's all done. And then we'll do a promo and put that out publicly once it's all in the bag.Cause yeah, you're right. You know, we've had people before involved in politics, people that are involved with the NHS.That have cancelled on us because they've got ear 'ole grief, you know, which is extraordinary, really.I think it would happen less so now, but in the early days of the Rona, when everyone was petrified to say boo to a goose, that it happened all the time, mate, all the time.There were, you know, it was funny, because once where I ended up interviewing Rich Willett, right, who's a mate, but he was actually doing, you know, he was releasing a documentary.So it was a decent enough interview to talk about a documentary, about the freedom of speech and about the war of the words and how the media was, you know, controlling the narrative.So it was, it was a cool interview. And I always like to talk to Rich anyway, but I got like some grief online. I will be, people are subscribing to see you talk to your mate.And I'm thinking, well, one, it's an interesting interview, but two, there was about three other guests that all bottled it.And so in the end, you're sat here and you go, right, so.We either don't have a show or we do something different, which is what we did.People, particularly in the early days, wouldn't have a clue of the amount of times I was sat at the desk behind me with my head in my hands because we lost another guest for that reason.
I'm surprised how much people want an easy life. I still am because I thought I was compliant to an extent and then I've realized I don't really give a shit and enjoy that fight, enjoy that pushback. If someone says you can't do this, I'll say I'm going to do it.I'm surprised that most other people are really, they just, they just fit in and that spark, that fight, maybe it's just been battered out of them over the years.
A little bit. I mean, I guess, yeah, a little bit, it's been battered out of people where people are just kind of, you know, weary of the battle really and done with it. But on, the other hand, I think it can go the other way. Like, so for me, I took loads of shite as a kid, which wasn't very pleasant in the media and all that kind of stuff. And some people could then, you know, call themselves, you know, where is the result of all that nonsense and want to quite always want to be no, I just want to be me. I want to be no, I just want to be known as me rather than someone else's son. Do you know what I mean?And I get that. I've felt like that, you know, can I just be myself, please? And, you know, even now I still get stuff going on, you know, your, your dad's is like one guy commentated, you know, he was on one of the what's up podcast clips. I mean, rich, just having a laugh. It's a joke. It's a comedy podcast. And we put this, this clip out and this guy replied saying, you know, your dad was a genius.He's doing this and that. And you're just acting like an effing idiot.And it's like, yeah, it's almost like I'm not him, isn't it?So it's almost like I'm not him. 
You're a person. 
Yeah. Imagine that.But I, but I look at that now, that time as a kid and how brutal that was.And I think that was, that was my basic training.So actually the idea of what people think the idea and the fact that I spent time in a wheelchair as a kid as well, obviously getting all the grief that you'd get for that, that kind of knocked out of you as well. It knocked out that, giving a monkeys what people think.Do you know what I mean? People say, I've got a problem with you, and you go, okay, I haven't. Good luck.You're the one with the problem then. You've just said you've got a problem with me.Yes, that's right. You've got a problem. I'll see you later.
Yeah, leave it with them.Can I just, final thought, can I just ask you about the legal side? Where does it go?The difficulty I guess we all have is which legal avenues will do something which is against what the government are telling them to do.So that must restrict, because people say, you know, if you have a legal battle and you fail, then you can go to the next level, the next level. Kind of, what are your thoughts when something happens like your dad on that restriction?Do you just have to then accept it or what?That's a good question. The minute I don't know, I mean, you can just appeal again and again and again, but you, smacking the mic over, but you know what's coming back.It's just another judge with the same, not making eye contact thing, you know, I mean, sure, you know, you could go, people go, you need to go to the court of human rights, you can go to this and go to that. And you look at them thinking, really, you don't think they're owned? Like, no, there's no independent body within any of these organizations. So, you know, because the, these cult so called elites are so weak, really, and so paranoid that they have to own all 22 players and the referee just to make sure they can win the game because they know they can't win it otherwise. I think the trick in the end will be basically stepping away from the game, stepping out of the stadium and actually having no part of it, which is how I am politically.You know, people say, oh, you don't vote. You've got no right to say anything. Yeah, I have.I have. I've got a choice between AIDS and cancer. Why would I do that? And so there are more and more people that can say no to it and just step away from all of these organisations. Oh, you've got to do that, that's how it's done.Is it? Does it have to be? Does it have to be how it's done?And if there's enough people, again, this is the thing, Peter, that comes down to it's numbers game all the time, isn't it?You know, March, 2020, you're locking down. No, you're not.No, you're not. If enough people said that, it was over before it even started.But unfortunately people let the wolf in the front door and then they cry when the wolf's going through their mom's wardrobe. Well, of course they are. You let them in the door, what did you expect was gonna happen?And that's the thing, isn't it? It's a case of drawing a line and say, no, not doing it.You know, and if you're going to bring in gender theory and critical race theory and all this bullshit in the school, you fill your boots, mate, but I'm taking my kids out. And then you see how many academies survive when there's 14 kids in a school year because everyone else has taken them out.And that's what has to happen. You know, people, there's that whole thing, isn't it?Oh yeah, we're going to lose cash.Do you use cash? No?Okay. And everyone has that point. There's things I buy sometimes that I can't afford.I don't have the cash and I might have to put it on a credit card. So I'm not going to be one of those people pontificating. But at the same time, if you can use cash and you've got the cash in the bank, take it out and use it. Or don't complain that it's being taken away. These are the things that we can do. You look at even with Rumble, you go, right, who's pulled support from Rumble?Okay, ASOS, right, well, I don't buy ASOS clothes anymore then.Burger King, nope, don't eat Burger King anymore. You know, I don't eat Burger King anyway, but that's where people can make a difference, you know, because I would occasionally, because I refuse Starbucks, one, because they're a horrendous organization, two, because the coffee's shit and bitter, so I'm not a fan of it.But I would have a Costa fairly regularly, every other day, probably.I've not had one since they're promoting double mastectomies.And so, you know, someone might watch this and go, oh, I bet they're well terrified that they're not getting their 12 pound a week off you.Maybe not, but if there's 100,000 like me, they might be a little bit terrified.And that's the point, isn't it? And that's what we need to do.We need to, because I'm not all for cancel culture at all. You're free to sell your coffee, I just won't buy it.And that's what I think people need to do.Because they're using this way of to try and destroy us and to try and destroy Rumble and anyone else that's on Rumble. At the end of the day, Russell Brand is just the face of it.But if Rumble goes down, ain't Russell Brand that's getting taken down.It's everyone on there.So it's much bigger than him.Um, and all these things are much bigger than him and much bigger than Tate and all these names that were given, like I say, these, you know, beware of false prophets and all that. But I think that's where we can make a stand.We can avoid using these organizations and avoid giving them our money.You know, why would you give money to people that have absolute contempt for you?100%. And that's a perfect ending to finish on something we can do, because often we feel powerless or individuals can feel, but actually we all have economic power and power to choose where we go, who we shop with, who we connect with. 
So yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We have the power to either go along with stuff or not as well, because, you know, even with masks and and all that stuff that they're going to try and bring back.Just don't go along with it.Yeah, I wasn't. I was walking into shops and I wasn't wearing them.I never wore one in a shop. I was going into pubs, you know, when they were making you stand up and put one on if you need the toilet. I never did any of that.And guess what? Nothing happened.
You can just say no. Yes. Gareth, I appreciate it's always good to chat to you.Thank you so much for coming on and sharing not only the restrictions on the social media side, but what's been happening with your dad and his travel restrictions and that court ruling. So thanks so much for joining us today.
That's a pleasure, mate. I did say to my dad as well, when they lift the ban, we're all going to chip in to take him on a Viking river cruise.So that's going to save me a few quid now that they've not left it.
That sounds a great live stream, a Viking river cruise.Thanks so much, Gareth.
Cheers, mate. Take care. Bye, mate.

The Week According To . . . Karli Bonne’

Welcome to your regular dose of news-based chat and opinion where we have a look at some of the headlines that have garnered our attention and take a deep dive into the social media accounts of our free-thinking guests and this episode is the welcome return of our good friend from across the pond, Karli Bonne'.Already a firm favourite of our fervid fans, Karli takes no prisoners and has her finger firmly on the pulse of all that is happening in MAGA world and beyond.Topics in the spot-light this episode...- Republicans opposed to Donald Trump are having to come to terms with an uncomfortable truth: Time is running out to deny him the party’s presidential nomination.- Newt Gingrich claims the Republican primary is already over - and Trump has won.- Trump imitates Biden- where am I?- Biden trails Trump in head to head match-up.- House holds first Biden Impeachment Inquiry hearing.- 18 House Republicans vote against a move to defund "Pride Month" celebrations at the Defense Department.- Recent vote marks a major moment in changing perceptions on how House Republicans view Ukraine.- Elon Musk: Citizen Journalist.- Mar-a-Lago judge’s developer-hating past is a big win for Donald Trump.- Roseanne Barr: Comedy is still legal and free speech is still a thing.
Karli Bonne' is a retired model, dancer and a Rockstar wanna be.Now she is a full blown MAGA maniac video clipper with three phones, continuously laughing at the establishment because it’s like holy water on a demon, and these demons must be eradicated.
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Originally broadcast live 30.9.23
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Links to stories...Hopes begin to fade for Republicans looking to stop Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/29/politics/anti-trump-republicans-primary-election/index.htmlNewt Gingrich https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12575377/Newt-Gingrich-claims-Republican-primary-Trump-won-Former-House-Speaker-says-debate-waste-time-barely-viewers.htmlTrump imitates Bidenhttps://gettr.com/post/p2rk3xva86cTrump lead  https://gettr.com/post/p2riy4l61eeBiden Impeachment  https://truthsocial.com/@KarliBonne/111144566721123480Pride Monthhttps://gettr.com/post/p2rkeg42b94Ukrainehttps://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1707726278835450020?s=20Elon Muskhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/09/29/elon-musk-citizen-journalist-heres-why-the-tesla-billionaire-visited-the-texas-mexico-border/Bing bong, bonghttps://truthsocial.com/@KarliBonne/111150613474104048Mar-a-Lago https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/mar-a-lago-judges-developer-hating-past-is-a-big-win-for-donald-trump/Roseanne Barr https://x.com/therealroseanne/status/1707919748326207865?s=20

Right Said Fred LIVE: A Discussion on Freedom of Speech, COVID and Lockdowns

The Winston Smith Literary Review Presents...
An Evening With Right Said Fred: A Discussion on Freedom of Speech, COVID and Lockdowns
LIVE FROM Wallingford Town Hall Nr Oxford, England
Right Said Fred are one of the UK’s most enduring pop exports. Since forming in 1989, brothers Fred and Richard Fairbrass, have a list of achievements as songwriters and a band that include number #1 hits in 70 countries, they were also the first band to reach the number one slot in the US with a debut single since The Beatles.As multi-platinum award winning artists and songwriters, their global sales total 30 million and over 100 million plays on Spotify.They have writing credits on Taylor Swift and Sofi Tukker’s songs, their music has been featured in over 50 films and TV Shows and in excess of 100 commercials.The boys have performed with Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger and David Bowie plus plaudits from Madonna, Jay Z, and Prince to name but a few.30+ years on and 10 studio albums later, The Freds have found a new legion of fans with their no-nonsense views during the Covid ‘pandemic’ regarding lockdowns, masks, vaccines, nonsensical rules and all the regurgitated hysteria that surrounds it.They have been a staple feature at the huge anti-lockdown and freedom protests seen in London and have shown their integrity on their social media and in interviews, pointing out and challenging all the lies, scaremongering and hypocrisies that have been forced upon the population from the government and the main stream media.Right Said Fred are living proof that two music-loving brothers with an ear for a hit, plenty of passion, self-belief and a bit of critical thinking can defy all expectations and conquer the world – long live The Freds!
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Streaming LIVE exclusively on Hearts of OakRecorded 28.9.23
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Andrew Bridgen MP - A Bridgen Too Far for the UK Government

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Andrew Bridgen MP is one of those rare individuals in UK politics. He is driven by convictions and critical thinking as opposed to fame and power which is the norm in Westminster (or on Capital Hill I assume). He was an absolute Brexiteer and led part of that campaign for The UK to have freedom from the EU. He joins Hearts of Oak to discuss how he fought for Brexit all through his political life, but his biggest battle has been against the Covid Tyranny imposed on us by the UK government. Andrew spoke up for all who have been vaccine injured and for that he was thrown out of the Conservative party and vilified in the media. But the Conservatives loss was the gain of The Reclaim Party as he now represents them as the MP for North West Leicestershire.His bravery and boldness is plain for all to see and as long as we have people like Andrew Bridgen in Parliament, we have a glimmer of hope in the UK.
Andrew Bridgen was elected in 2010 after spending 25 years running his successful family business, AB Produce, based in the constituency at Measham. Prior to this Andrew attended local state schools and Nottingham University. He has also trained as an officer in the Royal Marines. During his time in Parliament, Andrew has been a prolific speaker and has campaigned on a variety of local and national issues in Parliament. Locally Andrew campaigned for grant funding to bring all of NW Leics District Council housing up to the Decent Homes Standards.Andrew has also campaigned for better transport infrastructure which led to the duelling of the A453 and the planned electrification of the midland mainline. He has also worked with business and community groups to bring down the rate of unemployment in the District, as well as holding a jobs fair. On a national level, Andrew led the successful campaigns to decriminalise non-payment of the TV Licence and to scrap Air Passenger Duty for Children. He has also used his business experience to serve on the Regulatory Reform Committee as well as the Deregulation and the Enterprise Bill committee.
Connect with Andrew...X: https://x.com/ABridgen?s=20The Reclaim Party: https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/andrew-bridgen
Interview recorded 22.9.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Andrew Bridgen, it is wonderful to speak to you today. Thank you so much for your time.
(Andrew Bridgen MP)
Yeah, you're welcome. 
Andrew Bridgen, of course you can find him @ABridgen on Twitter and he has served as Member of Parliament for North West Leicestershire since 2010, re-elected 2015, 2017 and 2019 with a whopping 62% off the vote, one of the few MPs with anywhere near that. Obviously, thrown out of the Conservative Party, the whip removed, and then that was in April 2023 for raising concerns on the Covid jab, and Andrew now represents the Reclaim Party in Parliament as an MP.Andrew, may I ask you first, what got you into politics? You entered Parliament in 2010.What made you think it would be a good idea to get into politics?
Frustration, Peter, and I've been running a business for 22 years, which would start it up the thousand pounds. So I've been I've been MD and chairman of the company and we built it up to 25 million turnover company employing 300 people by 2006. And I'd give, I'd been interested in politics. I joined the Conservatives in 1983 at Nottingham University.And I'd been chairman of the Institute of Directors and on the council of the IOD in Pall Mall, and through working during the Blair years with the East Midlands Regional Assembly as a business member. Obviously I'd met a lot of ministers and I can't say that I was impressed.Well, it was pretty clear they were going to bankrupt us. So a group of friends, most, they were all really sort of small and medium-sized business people and their wives, we used to meet in a pub locally and every Friday night it was sort of a groundhog day, so they always moaned about the state of the country.I'd given a reasonable donation to the Conservative Party in 2005 and I think we had a half a percent swing to the Conservatives so worked out at that rate we're never going to get rid of Tony Blair.And so they moaned every Friday night and it eventually it got to me but I mean by that time I was running a business that was making about three million pounds a year across the group.I've got a good management team and no debt whatsoever and one pint of Marston's Pedigree on a Friday night too many and I said to this group of collected individuals, that's it then. It's no good relying on anybody else.There's only us. So in North West Leicestershire was supposed to be a rock solid Labour seat. The council I don't think had ever been conservative controlled properly. I think they may have had control for about three months once out of 40 years after a by-election. So I said well you all stand for the council, the district council, I'll stand for MP, we'll take over and we'll get it sorted and to a man and a woman every single one of them agreed. And so I put most of the money up for the, I put the money up for the campaign and I got the nomination.Nobody really wanted to be the MP for North West Leicestershire, well the candidate for North West Leicestershire because no one, the Conservatives told me we can't win North West Leicestershire, 83rd target seat. They also said they weren't giving me any money but I said that's fine, I've got my own money and my factory was in the, in the, so I actually did have a payroll vote.So 300 people plus their families in the constituency and the District Council elections came round first in 2007 and I was already selected as the parliamentary candidate. I ran those elections and put the money up and it was the first time the Conservatives had put a full slate up in the seat and they said I was running them too thin but I always thought basically if you didn't put a candidate up at an election it's very difficult to see how how they're going to vote for somebody aren't they? So we put a full slate of candidates up and took Labour down to five councils out of 38 in one night, the biggest swing in the country in the District Council elections in 2007. We took control of the council obviously, and I had the second biggest swing in against Labour in 2010, so I turned a rock-solid four and a half thousand Labour majority with a much loved Labour MP, who sadly died, into seven and a half thousand Conservatives at one, so that's like a 12.5% swing.The seat's my home and, you know, I'm very comfortable in North West Leicestershire.And we moved it to, in 2015, it went up to 11,200 majority.And despite Theresa May's best efforts in 17 with her manifesto, which was appalling, I moved it up to 13,300 majority.Then in 19, I led the leave campaign in the referendum for the East Midlands.I told my seat that if they didn't back me I would have to resign as their MP because we didn't agree on the big issues but to be honest Peter I was fairly sure they would. So the East Midlands voted 59-41 to leave and my own seat voted 61 39 and I'm actually the MP who persuaded Boris Johnson to back leave.He was no way that he was a natural Brexiteer and also if you look back on YouTube you'll find that on the eve of the referendum Boris Johnson came to my seat and we went round Ashby de la Zouch. That's when I told him we were going to win and you should have seen his face when I told him we were going to win. I don't think that that wasn't actually part of the plan Peter and in fact he tried to talk me out of it he said no no it's going to be close but we're not going to win. I said no no we're going to win tomorrow.No, it's going to be close. I said, well, maybe I said, but certainly not around here, not around here. It's not going to be close. You know, the bit we're running. So, and then in 19, on the get Brexit done election, which now seems so much happened since 19. It feels like a very long time ago, more than four years away. And I got a 20,400 majority, it was 62.8% of the vote.And the BBC, I had no sleep that night, the next morning the BBC interviewed me and they said, Mr Bridgen, you must be delighted, this is your fourth election victory, each time you've increased your vote, you've increased your majority, your percentage of the vote, you must be delighted.I said, no, it's terrible actually.They said, why is it terrible?I said, well, I've, you know, it's nine years since I was first elected as the MP, I've delivered the highest economic growth in the country. We've taken the poorest constituency in Leicestershire and made it the richest, the only part of Leicestershire with above-average UK salaries and wages. We've got the happiest place to live in the Midlands now, Colville, which was the most deprived town in Leicestershire.I said one in three of the electorate are still not voting for me. I'm gonna have to work much much harder. 
Tell me about that whole Brexit battle. I mean my time was UKIP and UKIP was easy because 100% of Kippers were on board. The Conservative Party have always had that tension and division over Europe. What was that like actually in the Conservative Party pushing something that wasn't necessarily what the Conservatives wanted? 
Well it wasn't what the establishment wanted, all the established parties were backing Remain.I think it was interesting that the Conservative Party was like, a very civilized internal war, and there were probably only a quarter to 30 percent of conservative MPs who were for leave, so still the majority were, remain, or indifferent, and some of them maintaining indifference, which I mean, I don't know what you're into politics for. If a big question like whether we should remain or leave the European Union, they say, I don't want to get involved in this.I'll just sit down and see what my people say. I mean, that's not exactly leadership, is it?I mean, I think that should be pretty much automatic deselection, if you can't make your mind up on that sort of issue.And what comes back to mind is that the Conservative Party, we used to, when I was in the Conservative Party, before they threw me out, well, first I'll tell you this, Conservatives have never been encouraged in the Conservative Party, they're only ever tolerated.And the Conservative Party, Parliamentary Party, had something called an away day every two years, and they pay for them in advance to get a good deal. So despite the fact that there was this internal schism over the referendum that was coming, the party had paid for an away weekend in Oxfordshire at this basically hotel that's like a Bond villain's hideout, with an underground lecture theatre, which is a very weird place, and because we paid for it, we were told we'd all got to go there, and this is only sort of three months before the referendum, and we had a very civilised weekend of talking about policy, but no one mentioned the EU and no one mentioned the referendum over the whole two and a half days and the dinner, but I do remember that Craig Oliver sat with me at the final dinner he sat next to me on my table at the final dinner and I told him, I said have you got yourself another job lined up for when you lose, and he said to me he said that's fine he said if we win by one vote that's it settled and that's that's it done. I said well I'll be honest I'll take though I'll take that on as as it cuts both ways, you know, if we win by one. And I knew we were going to win, Peter, because, I'd been around the East Midlands and I could tell we were definitely going to win. But it's about driving the vote up because it wasn't just winning by a seat, all the votes were cumulative, so every vote counted.And what I'd sussed out is in my seat and in the East Midlands is that people who didn't normally vote were going to come out and vote. They weren't, those people who didn't normally engage with politics, they weren't coming out to, they weren't coming out to vote for the status quo, they were voting for change. So I concentrated my campaigning efforts the last six weeks.And did a lot of campaigning and also I was running a load of field operatives who were, 90% of it, they were UKIP. The Remain campaign had nobody on the ground willing to deliver leaflets, hardly at all, for them. We were destroying them on the ground battle. Obviously, in the air campaign we could only be responsive because they got all the media, they got all the established parties, and we were the insurgents. So that was more of a struggle, but on the ground we were doing very, very well. And what I'd sussed out was that people were going to come out and vote who didn't normally vote and every time I saw the polls I was not disappointed because I knew that we were probably, we probably got five or six percent better than the polls were saying because these people who were going to come out and vote and they told me they were and I believe they were, They're not engaged in politics, they're not on YouGov's polling panel, and when Com Res or somebody else rang them up and they said, oh, I'm going to vote to leave the European Union, they'd say, well, did you vote in the last general election? No.Did you vote in the local? No. Did you vote in the one before? No. Have you ever voted? No.And they'd put them down as zero chance of voting. Well, I knew as long as we got those people out, it was all going to come as a bit of a surprise to the Remain campaign.In North West Leicestershire, and we counted our votes, so I know it's fine, I know exactly what the vote was in North West Leicestershire, but you could terminate my seat of North West Leicestershire until the next boundary changes.I think it was a sort of 70-75% turnout to get me in in 2010, important election.And then ever since then, as my majority had gone up, the turnout had gone down and it dropped to sort of 68.5% or something in 19. But I mean, it was a stonking massive majority.And obviously the referendum, I was very encouraged when it was nearly 80%.And I'd spent all my time in Northwest Leicestershire and across the East Midlands. In my villages, I mean, it's a general election, they turn out 85 percent anyway. I'm not going to squeeze much more out of those people. You know, it's very hard to squeeze that they're on the second, third pressings of the pips. So I went to all the areas that normally turn out 50, 55, 60 percent because there was plenty of low-hanging fruit and you know it was that turnout in North West Leicestershire and across the East Midlands some people who didn't normally vote and that's why we won and that's why the polling was so wrong and that's what people like David Cameron who'd come to my seat in 2008 when he was leader of the opposition and he really upset me Peter so I'm a a candidate. We've just taken the council with the biggest swing in the country for the first time in living memory and Cameron told me in front of constituents that my seat was a dump and it should never be conservative. And they weren't giving me any money and I said I don't need your money and to be honest David if that's your view, never ever come to my constituency again and I will with it. And to be honest, David Cameron is a man of his word, he never came, he never came again. So that's fine. And I think now my majority is bigger than Whitney, so I meanwhat a dump the Cotswolds must be. North West Leicestershire. And we've gentrified. So people used to say Coalville was a very poor place and it didn't have a chance and now it's Coalville and proud. In fact I'm speaking to you from Coalville today. 
I want to get on to the COVID discussion situation, but just you, you talked at the beginning about having a business and I guess part of your reason for getting into politics was you wanted the government to butt out, you want local businesses to be able to get on, to have, not to have restrictions on them actually doing well, making money, employing people. What kind of other kind of interests or passions?
Well, I've actually cut my teeth in politics when I was chair of the Institute of Directors, which they didn't like particularly because they were fairly pro-EU, is that I got involved as a businessman in the,business for sterling in the no campaign to keep the pound so 25 years ago and thank goodness we didn't join the euro otherwise I mean it'd be much much more difficult to extract ourselves.Yes and Simon Wolfson the chairman of Next we used to meet at Enderby in his boardroom and plot business for Sterling in the No campaign.So I suppose that's where I got involved. And a chap called Chris Eaton Harris, who's gone on to great things, apparently, he was an MEP.And his father had a fruit and vegetable wholesale pitch in Covent Garden Market.And since I was into washing, packing, and distributing vegetables, mostly potatoes, nothing sexy.Chris was one of my customers. I used to buy from Mark Potatoes from Mark Spencer.And Philip Dunn as well. They're farmers.So we had the whole supply chain between us, do you know what I mean?But I made most of the money. 
Which is just as well because they're not in parliament.
Just as well. So yeah, I wanted to put something back and yeah, that's where we ended up.
Obviously being a Brexiteer, there was backlash in the media, there was probably some pushback within the party itself.But I guess none of that even prepared you for the backlash whenever you addressed COVID tyranny.Is that a fair assessment? 
Well I know that the two years under Theresa May were purgatory quite honestly. I mean I was a Spartan so I voted three times against Theresa May's deal which you know it wasn't, you know, some colleagues were conflicted and there was Steve Baker crying his eyes out. Well I mean there's nothing to cry about because I've already voted against it twice, it hasn't got any better and once you've come to the conclusion, which was the correct conclusion, that Theresa May's deal was constitutionally and democratically worse than being in the European Union. I mean at least if you're in the European Union you have a chance of leaving whereas Theresa May's deal we would be in vassalage forever and there's no way of leaving. Well I mean that's not a deal, not in my name and that vote on the third time Theresa May's deal came up before the Commons I was pretty convinced that there were probably going to be 28 Conservatives in the no lobby. The rest of Parliament would vote yes and that we would have been slung out of the Conservative Party within a few days. That was where I thought we were. Thank goodness. I mean we always criticise Jeremy Corbyn but he is a man of principle and he is secretly a Brexiteer really I think and he marched the Labour Party in behind us and the rest, as they say, is history. But I mean, a politically savvy Keir Starmer would never, would have taken Theresa May's deal and consigned us to EU vassalage. So thank goodness it was Jeremy Corbyn. But he did win the Conservatives the 19th election. That wasn't, down to Boris, it was pure fear of Jeremy Corbyn. 
Yeah, no, it was, you don't want Corbyn, 100% I remember that well. 
Well, I actually had two, during that 19 election, I can remember when I was going around the doorsteps, two members, two paid-up locally members of the Labour Party came to me and said I'll be voting Conservative, I can't vote for Jeremy Corbyn. And they actually told me they were paid up members of the Labour Party locally.Well I mean if you, I mean that is your core, ultra core vote. They weren't even voting for him.Wow. On to the COVID. I've never seen anything and I mean I've loved politics, forever with Northern Ireland parties, the DUP and we've had Ian Paisley and Sammy Wilson on before and then conservatives then over to UKIP, but nothing has divided people like what we've had in the last three years with the COVID tyranny. But you spoke a step, it wasn't just on the restrictions that we had, that civil liberty, but you also saw what was happening with harms and went on that. Tell us about that, how you worked that out, because that was a big step and that was an unacceptable step. 
I think there's an element of destiny about all of this Peter. When I was 18 and I'm the only member of my family that's been to university, I had a foreground because my parents weren'tvery wealthy, they were poor. So about two and a half percent of people went to University when I went in the 80s and I went to Nottingham locally but I studied biological sciences with biochemistry specializing in genetics, virology and behaviour. Oh dear! And I don't know why, just they were things I found quite fascinating so I've tried to keep my knowledge up soI mean in February when we'd had the 19 election and then we had a sort of six weeks period and then we had then we had COVID and everything changed. Well in the February I was sent and I looked through the scientific papers for the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, its effectiveness against coronaviruses and it was compelling. They were scientific papers and because I've got, my degree a very long time ago in those subjects I mean I can read them and I can understand the papers and I sent the papers to Mark Spencer, Chief Whip, and said the government need to look at this urgently, this could be could be very useful and also sent them to Jeremy Hunt who was at the time, Chair of the Health Select Committee, and I didn't get anything back from Spencer.And I also told Spencer, I said, you realise that I've got qualifications in all the areas that'll be useful, if you want some help in the number 10, with someone who can actually read the papers and understand it and put it across politically, I'll be quite happy to help. They never, Mr Stewart never asked me to help, and I rang up Jeremy Hunt a week later, and this shocked me, Peter and it will shock your listeners. So I rang him Hunt up and said Jeremy I sent you these papers, have you have you looked at them? And he said Andrew he said don't send me scientific papers he said I don't understand them and I said but Jeremy you're chairman of the health select committee and you were health secretary for seven years. I said what? You don't understand scientific papers, and what you have no access to anyone who does understand them he could actually explain them to you and he put the phone down and that was it and so my suspicion, so I hadn't got a great deal of confidence I did support the first lockdown because I don't think anybody knew, well somebody knew what was going on it certainly wasn't me, you know was it three weeks to flatten the curve.Anyway, so, and I was, from then on, things just didn't seem to stack up. The masks, I couldn't see the sense behind the masks.I mean, those paper masks, they are to stop saliva from the doctors and nurses going on to the patient's wounds and to stop blood and other bodily fluids squirting into the medic's mouths, which they don't really like, they don't like that.That's what they're there for. So not to stop viruses and the gaps around the edges And I was briefly in the military.And if you had a full nuclear biological chemical suit, you've only got an 80% chance of keeping a virus out.Well, I mean, that's not what these paper masks are. And I guess, I hated putting them on anyway.They're horrible. So I was on that. And then the continuous lockdowns, and Northwest Leicestershire was chucked in with Leicester.And so we were locked down as much as anywhere in the country.It was completely unprecedented and unwarranted.I also really objected to the schools being closed.And I objected. I mean, they were making the children wear masks.And even some schools were making the children wear masks when it wasn't mandated.And none of this seemed right.And there are some, speaking to some scientists who were speaking out about their concerns, And the fact that they were silenced, and they said all the science is all settled, I mean we've heard that one before several times, I'm sure we'll hear it again, but I mean science is never settled. It's a bit like politics, there's always another view, and if you can't defend your position, then there's something wrong. You know, every scientific thesis is open to challenge, or should be able to challenge, and most of them, I mean half of everything that doctors are taught in medical school within 10 years will be proved to be completely wrong.That's a fact, I mean that's just a fact. So, you know, the only constant is the evolution of science and new theories to supersede old ones and saying that, you know, we're not having any debate about this and cancelling eminent scientists. Then my concerns grew and grew and grew but I didn't want to believe the worst of the government. I actually am double vaccinated. They will call me an anti-vaxxer so which is difficult when I'm vaxxed.I'm more the sort of concerned vaxxed and I had two shots of AstraZeneca, I wish I had none, and I had a bad reaction after the second jab, which really, really hurt me.So I'd bitten my tongue, that also uncovered a lot of corruption around PPE.My whistle-blower was sacked. We uncovered £860 million worth of PCR tests that had disappeared from stock at Kuehne & Nagel were the distributor. We traced some of the unique barcodes and they turned up in Berlin. They'd been resold. So nearly a billion pounds. And my whistle-blower could only go back 12 months on his computer. And he was only in one of the three channels. He was in the channel to do with bulk. So it was only sort of prisons, schools, hospitals, things like that. But 860 million pounds worth of PCR tests had gone missing the taxpayer paid for. We took it to the government and the civil service.My whistle-blowers computer was switched off on the day and he was sacked within seven days, no investigation. I was pretty annoyed. And I mean, the corruption of the Boris Johnson regime was the first one I'd, and he was the he'd been the first Prime Minister I'd actually voted for and I was feeling very betrayed. So I hadn't voted for David Cameron, obviously, I voted for David Davies, and Cameron got in and I didn't vote for Theresa May. She got in. And so then Boris turned out to be as crooked as all the rest of them. So that wasn't good. And then my pretty view on the vaccines and the mRNA technology, the messenger ribonucleic acid technology.I was working behind the scenes and obviously Matt Hancock had to go and we had, Sajid Javid became health secretary.But there are about five Conservative MPs who are qualified doctors.Well Matt Hancock, not a good man, but he had said in the House of Commons that these vaccines were for adults, they weren't for children, so no one under 18 was going to have them.I know that every one of the doctors, qualified doctors, went to see Sajid Javid and told him not to use the experimental vaccines on under-18s and he listened to all of them and then approved it.It's interesting that these two health secretaries are both leaving the Commons at the next election, isn't it? I wonder where they'll land, you know what I mean?I suspect Peter, there'll be earning a lot more money than MPs get paid, let's just put it that way. And then when the MHRA came out in November last year and wanted to extend the experimental vaccines to babies, down to six months of age, and I'll declare an interest, I've got a five-year-old and I thought now, I've got to speak out and I knew there'd be a huge backlash from the party, politically and I knew the vested interests that were involved in it but I also knew that it was probably going to cost me my position in the Conservative Party because they were so committed, but that I could win, that I'm pretty sure I thought, well there's no point doing it for nothing, you've got to win and I was pretty sure that I could put the science over that there were no healthy child of that age had died anywhere in the world of COVID-19 so there was minimal, minuscule risk from the virus but there was a risk from the vaccine. I thought even the most pro-vaccine person I could persuade that since the manufacturers still had immunity from prosecution that there had to be a risk.But there was no risk for those children. I thought I could get that message across and we could actually do some good and so I'd spoken out in a Westminster Hall debate, in I think it was October and then on November 13th I secured an adjournment debate and and blew the lid off the childhood vaccines, vaccination with the experimental mRNA.And that night, my life changed. I was basically immediately cancelled by the mainstream media.And from that moment onwards, I had hundreds of thousands of emails from around the world from people who were telling me about the vaccine harms and the vaccine deaths that they were seeing and that was it really. So after that, although the government will say that I'm a conspiracy theorist and anti-science, anti-vax, and all the people who call me anti-science and everything, I mean they haven't got any science degrees between them and the fact is that the government, our government was never able to approve those vaccines for healthy under fives, whereas all the other countries around the world did. So despite the fact that they said that I was talking absolute rubbish, they never bought the policy and every other country did. And then we got round to sort of January and the infamous tweet, which was actually, I mean, yes, so I retweeted, I actually didn't do it, but it was retweeted on my Twitter, a tweet from Dr. Josh Guetzkow of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and it's fair to say that Mr. Guetzkow is a Jewish gentleman, that he'd been told by a top cardiologist that the rollout of the vaccine was the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust, and the party seized on that, the Conservative Party seized on that, to say I was an anti-Semite, and suspended me immediately from the party.I had a meeting at that time with a Conservative Party grandee who'd clearly been briefed by the party.We had an hour together in his office and I told him all of my concerns around the vaccine harms, the midazolam and morphine, the creation of the first wave of deaths by moving people out of care homes and then putting them onto the death pathway, putting them down, treating them with respiratory suppressants to give them the symptoms of COVID-19 which will appear on their on their death certificate and they were pretty much all cremated very shortly afterwards so there was no autopsies and we had an hour of that. I also knew that the person I was meeting with, because I'd done my research and I've got plenty of informers, he knew full well all of my concerns because he'd been told them. I also know that his sister had had to go into hospital after the second Pfizer jab with chest pains, but I didn't tell him any of this. And at the end of the meeting this grandee turned around to me, obviously with the party line, I've been suspended and said that there is currently no political appetite for your views on the vaccine, Andrew. They may well be in 20 years time and you're probably going to be proved right but in the meantime you need to bear in mind you're taking on the most powerful vested interest in the world with all the personal risk for you which that will entail, and at that point I said well the meeting's over then isn't it? I'm not, don't ever threaten me and I don't like being threatened by public school boys.You know, as a comprehensive school boy, if they had been at my school, they'd have spent most of their time with their head down the toilet. It was a very comprehensive education. So we basically called it a day at that and then they just fast-tracked the investigation and found me guilty and permanently expelled me from the Conservative Party, which is interesting because in their investigation what they didn't discover is I never put the tweet out myself anyway. I've never ever had the codes to my own Twitter. It was actually posted by my association chairman who remains in the Conservative Party. 
Can I ask you about... I need to ask you about the conversations with colleagues and obviously not breaking confidentiality of that, but working with Lord Pearson I'm always amazed people come to him after a debate and says well done. I could never say that but well done you said that. Did you have any kind of similar? 
Yes, it's coming up to a year since I first spoke out so yeah I've probably had 20, I probably had 30 backbenchers have come up to me and said you're definitely onto something with these vaccine harms, keep going but that's a million miles from standing in the chamber and saying anything. I've had senior members of the Conservative Party have come to me and said that they're going to speak out. I've had a very senior MP came to me before summer recess and said he'd been approached by a constituent representing 1,100 vaccine-harmed people and he'd have to speak out, but he hasn't, and I had a very senior minister who came to me and said that they're, I mean this is all in private in parliament, no witnesses, so I mean they can deny it if they want to, but you have my word it's the truth, and come to me and said you do realize that my sister's just taken the Moderna booster and now she's paralyzed from the neck down.And I said well that's that's that's terrible news but clearly you're going to have to speak out now aren't you? and they said no, well she doesn't want any publicity and they think they're going to get her to walk again. I said well you don't have to name names I mean you know, you've got to speak out you know and the minister said I'm not speaking out and walked off.And I don't know what to go, I mean, we're supposed to speak without fear or favour, you know, I think the job of an MP is to, certainly I see the job as being to represent, the people, start with my people in North West Leicestershire, against the government and the establishment.And now what we seem to have is a lot of MPs who represent the government and the establishment against the people.That's an inversion of the job of a Member of Parliament.They said to me, you know, why are you willing to die on the hill of vaccine harms, you know, of an issue?And I said, well, because that's the hill you're killing my people on.
No completely. I want to add two things to finish. One, you're in the Reclaim Party because that seemed to be the only option.Course you could do as an independent, that doesn't really happen in the UK, but also you're continually asking the government questions. One of the latest questions is did the MHRA inform the Minister of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine had been switched? Tell us about Reclaim and I'm assuming you're yet to receive an answer to that government question. 
Well Reclaim are a political party, they didn't have any MPs but they're well funded and they've got some lovely premises and they've got great people and they're also aligned with something called the Bad Law Project, so I have access to lawyers and solicitors and so I'm taking Matt Hancock to court for defamation and we have a very strong case. I'm probably going to take the Conservative Party to court for the way they handled my dismissal from the party, which is unbelievable.I'm on my fifth subject access request to the Cabinet Office.I mean, Peter, I've put in for all the information they're holding on me, and even when I'm over four, this is the fifth one going in now, I keep cutting down the number of keywords and compressing the time, and every time they come back and say, I mean, they must have a library on me.They haven't got a black book, they've got a whole library on me.And every time they come back and say, it's too much work.I mean, the last one was about 10 key words.And I said, it's only from 1st of January, 2017. I'll publish all the papers one day and it'll be fascinating, but goodness knows what they're hiding.They're certainly not willing to release any documentation. So I think we're going to have a massive, massive, massive bust up with the government over that.And if they're doing it to me, it won't be just me, will it?There'll be. Yeah, I mean, if there is any mitigation of my colleagues, and I'm not thinking of any any mitigation at all for their inactivity when so many of them,I mean, what you've got to understand, Peter, is people say to me, So there was a lovely female Conservative MP who will remain nameless, but she was elected in 19.And she came up to me a few months ago and said, Andrew, I'm really worried about you.You speak in the chamber on your own. You have all your meals on your own.You sit on your own table in the tea room and the dining room.No one talks to you. You seem really isolated. I'm really worried about you.I said, well, that's very touching. I said, but you've got to remember, 4,000 real people work in Parliament. The cooks, the cleaners, the waiters, the security guards, the police, I said, and they all come to me and 80% of those agree with me. So I'm not really isolated at all, am I? I said, actually, you're isolated, you just don't realise it. So it's not been that bad in Parliament. As far as the Pfizer data, it was again Dr. Josh Guetzkow sent me some from the Hebrew University, sent me some evidence and he's not a scientist, he's a criminologist but he's a specialist in fraud and he went through the Pfizer papers and discovered how they'd switched the vaccines. There were two batches in the initial batch, one that they basically made a Rolls-Royce vaccine up which they gave to 22,000 individuals and they had 22,000 in the placebo group who got a saline shot and that's what they got approval for with the MHRA and every other regulator around the world.But that wasn't the vaccine, that wasn't the Pfizer vaccine that was rolled out.And the smoking gun for the switch of the vaccines is the fact that the MHRA changed the protocols on day two of the mass rollout of the vaccination in the UK, and said that everyone got to stay at the vaccine centre for 15 minutes after day two because of the risk of anaphylactic shock and you only get anaphylaxis if there's endotoxins in the vaccines and you only get endotoxins in the vaccines if they're cultured up in bacteria such as Escherichia coli and the MHRA hadn't expected anaphylaxis because that is not how the vaccine that was given approval for was manufactured, it wasn't manufactured in bacteria with all the contaminants that would go with it.Now, you can't, to get approval for a drug, you have to use the same mechanism of production.You can't change anything because then you've got a different drug with different side effects.So basically, what my allegation is, supported by 44 pages of evidence supplied to me by a doctor of criminology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the government will not answer or even acknowledge, is that the vaccine that was rolled out in the UK and around the world was effectively completely untested and it also explains why the, I mean that the harms from the Pfizer trials of the very best vaccine they could make in in a very small, basically a bespoke vaccine that they made for 22,000 doses, I mean that was horrific enough and that should never have had approval but it was nothing like the harm profile we've seen in actuality through the VAERS system and the yellow card system and the fact that the vaccine is a different vaccine basically explains that as well. If they were doing that with Pfizer, I mean I have no doubt that Moderna and the same and of course I had the AstraZeneca vaccine which which was actually that bad.It was just quietly withdrawn, wasn't it? And it's interesting that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which is the AstraZeneca vaccine is not a messenger RNA.It's a DNA strand in an adenovirus vector.So it's different technology to the Pfizer and the Moderna. It's because obviously the DNA then will code for the messenger RNA. And so it's one step further back.It's interesting also that the, I asked for an urgent question in Parliament a few months ago because the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was withdrawn in America and I saw the FDA, the Federal Drugs Agency guidelines and it said stop basically, stop injecting the Johnson and Johnson and all stocks are to be destroyed. And the Johnson and Johnson that was also, a DNA strand not a messenger RNA strand and also in an adenovirus vector to get it into the into the cell. So it's interesting that basically both the vaccines, experimental vaccines were using the DNA adenovirus vector method, they were, both withdrawn and destroyed. But it is interesting that India are still producing effectively AstraZeneca under license. They call it Covishield in India. And of course they didn't stop the Australian version of the AstraZeneca vaccine until only a couple of months ago, so there's going to be a big kickoff there as well. So that's it. I sent it to the Attorney General because one of the questions I did ask was did the MHRA tell the Minister that they'd switched the vaccines, in which case if they didn't then the MHRA are guilty of potentially a crime which is I think it's a two-year prison sent us an unlimited fine, but if they did tell the minister, then how could the minister go out and say they're safe, effective, and tested when they knew that they weren't?I don't understand why the prime minister doesn't want to come back to me.I'm afraid the letter I sent him was a bit of a, do you still beat your wife question.There isn't a good answer, because either I'm going to nail the MHRA, or I'm going to nail the ministers.And it's also interesting, I think, you know, so many health ministers are deciding to not stand at the next general election.No, 100%. Andrew, I've watched your many speeches in the Commons and followed those written questions and I think for our UK viewers and listeners who are very frustrated at UK politics, I think as long as there remains someone like you speaking this truth, then there is hope. So thank you for what you do and thank you for your time today.
Thank you very much for having me on. I'm sure we'll speak again in the future.

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

We are delighted to have the lovely Leilani Dowding join us once again for our weekly trawl through the news, stories and articles from around the web and from her own social media feed.Leilani doesn't mix her words so we look forward to her thoughts as she vents on the topics this week, including...- Russell Brand: What has he got in store for us as he announces the return of his popular show on Rumble.- ‘Quit NOW!’ Calls for Caroline Dinenage to go as it emerges Rumble row MP didn't clear Russell Brand letter with own committee. - Rumble’s CEO responds to the UK Governments attempt at censorship.- Will the UKs Online Safety Bill break encryption for mass surveillance?- Zelensky asks 'Satanist' Marina Abramovic to be an ambassador for the Ukraine and to help rebuild schools.- The harrowing story of the young woman who died after a legal battle with an NHS trust over her treatment for a rare disorder has been named.- Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom expresses concern about his son’s interest in right-leaning figures like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson.- Footage emerges from the recent Palace of Versailles' sickeningly opulent event with WEF stooges Charles and Macron.- Car firms will still be forced to meet strict quotas for selling electric cars despite the ban on sales of new petrol and diesel vehicles being delayed.
Leilani Dowding is a regular contributor to The Mark Steyn Show.Half-Filipina, half-English, she is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant.Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers.She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.
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