Hearts of Oak Podcast

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

Welcome to the latest edition of 'The Week According To' and we have the irrepressible Leilani Dowding back with us as we look at what has caught her eye or rattled her cage in this weeks news, articles and on social media. Up for discussion this episode...- Police to investigate 'hateful behaviour' after several Pride flags are defaced with homophobic graffiti in Gloucestershire.- California Democrats push a bill for 'fertility equality' that "will ensure that queer couples no longer have to pay more out of pocket to start families than non-queer families."- Former head of police watchdog charged with raping child.- Pollution in Oxford spikes as Low Traffic Neighbourhoods blamed.- A poll has shown that a quarter of the population of the UK believe Covid-19 was probably or definitely a hoax.- Is this the end of the road for electric cars?- Margaret Thatcher reminds us that the state has no source of money apart from that which people earn themselves in resurfaced video.- Obese influencer demands for more "inclusive" traveling!  "People with smaller bodies get to pay one fare; and we have to pay two fares"- US Providing $325 Million More in Aid for Ukraine.
Leilani Dowding is a regular contributor to The Mark Steyn Show.Half-Filipina, half-English, she is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant.Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers.She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.
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Originally broadcast live 17.6.23
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Links to topics discussed this episode....Pride flags https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12204057/Police-investigate-hateful-behaviour-Pride-flags-defaced-Gloucestershire.htmlFertility equalityhttps://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1667909850150453257?s=20Police noncehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/michael-lockwood-rape-charge-police-iopc-b2358787.htmlPollutionhttps://twitter.com/alanvibe/status/1669581599652839425?s=20Conspiracy https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/13/quarter-in-uk-believe-covid-was-a-hoax-poll-on-conspiracy-theories-findsElectric carshttps://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12180805/Its-end-road-troublesome-electric-cars.htmlThatcher VIDEO https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1669429763595816960?s=20Fat flyershttps://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1668710532667301888?s=20Ukrainehttps://www.voanews.com/a/us-providing-325-million-more-in-aid-for-ukraine-/7134105.html

John O’Looney - Excess Deaths, Turbo-Cancer and the Covid Inquiry Sham

Show-notes and Transcript
Great to have John O'Looney back with us to discuss the ongoing effects of the mass jab experiment. John has been in the funeral business for 16 years and his on the ground engagement with bereaved families gives us an insight into excess deaths. He joins us to give an update on what life has been like over the last twelve months. He also shares what he is seeing, and that is an alarming rise in the amount of people dying from cancer, especially younger people. He shares his thoughts on the Covid Inquiry that has just started in Westminster (spoiler...he would call it the Covid cover up or Covid sham). And we touch on his recent suspension from Twitter. John must be the only funeral director banned from Musk's platform of 'Free Speech'! Madness.
John O’Looney has been a funeral director in the UK for over 15 years, and with his family they run a successful business in Milton Keynes.John started noticing things were not right in late November 2019 when he saw a 'blow-up pandemic mortuary' in a local hospital which he was told was set up in preparation for 'something really horrible coming'.In 2021, as the vaccines rolled out, he was witness to a spike of unusual deaths, and while his peers and colleagues in the industry kept quiet, John bravely spoke out and questioned the narrative.MK Family Funeral Services https://www.mkffs.co.uk/about-us
Interview recorded 13.6.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with John O'Looney who joins us for the third time. His 16 years as a funeral director, he has an insight on what is happening regarding excess deaths and it's been a year since he was last with us and he gives us an update of what he has seen in the last year. We touch on the many conversations he has with relatives as they come in. He talks about how busy he is, twice as busy as normal, talks about that cancer seems to be behind a lot of it, of course all linked to the jab.What is that about? Something I've been looking at recently. And we discuss why he's being banned on Twitter. Once again, why would a funeral director be banned on Twitter? Something is not right. I thought it was a free speech platform, but hey. And then we look at the COVID inquiry that's just started in Parliament. Supposedly to get to the bottom of everything in, COVID, all the failures, but as John and I discuss, we think it'll just be a whitewash and I know many of you will feel exactly the same. It will not get to the bottom of anything, for if it did, it would find many politicians guilty and charged with massive crimes. I know you'll enjoy listening to John as he speaks truth as he has in over the last three years and is an inspiration to us all on holding to what is true and speaking out regardless of the consequences.Wonderful to have you back with us again. Thank you for your time today.
(John O'Looney)
No problem at all. It's great to be back. Thanks for having me on.
Not at all. It's been a year and I remember vividly a year ago because it was the hottest day of the year. I remember trying to get out of coming to see you, but I'm so glad I came to see you because I got to see where you work. So I remember that well.
Well, seeing is believing and a lot of people have come to the funeral home, you know, just to verify who I am and to give me a hug and to say thank you. And it's been overwhelming. It's It's been lovely.Oh, well, you know, for all the wrong reasons, you know, unfortunately,
I know, I know, but I want to obviously talk to you about your business and some of the issues you've had on that.And we have covered it before, but it's always good to get an update.And obviously at the moment, the COVID inquiries just started, and I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on that.But probably at the beginning I see that you have been suspended on Twitter.You must be the first funeral director to be banned on Twitter.What is it that you do that's so bad?
For one, I don't pull any punches, I'll say it as it is.And unfortunately, honesty is a crime these days that you get punished.And I called for capital punishment for these people, because I think that's the appropriate sentence.So the evidence is overwhelming. The evidence is, there's no doubt in anyone's mind, the Metropolitan Police are not doing their job.Mark Sexton and Peter Highland have presented a rock-solid case of overwhelming evidence.They're not doing their job.They're not pursuing it.The crime is clear.It's crime against humanity. It's genocide. It's democide.They should be taken to Nuremberg, they should be arrested by the police that we pay to uphold the law, they should be taken to Nuremberg, they should be tried with the overwhelming evidence, convicted on that evidence and sentenced with the appropriate sentence for the crimes they've committed. And the appropriate sentence for those crimes is capital punishment is death.And I make no qualms about that, that's what I want to see happen. I live for the opportunity to say, give my testimony in Nuremberg.But you've got a big reach. You obviously have exposed and spoken of what you've seen in your funeral parlour and despite Twitter trying to restrict you, you still have a huge following and your voice, your videos have gone far and wide, haven't they?Yes, yes. I could never initially understand why people engage with me and in the way that they do. I guess it's a combination of the serious nature of what's happened and the desire for truth and answers that they're just not going to get on MSM, you know, mainstream media. And also they know that I'm on the cold face and they know I'm telling the truth. They can look at me and they look in my eyes and they know.I don't have to try and convince them. I'll say as it is and people don't like that, then you need to start shouting about it and start, because only the people are going to save the people. It's no good relying on your police force. They're not going to do anything. I had a police officer in here six, seven days ago who I'm dealing with one of the funerals and openly admitted that the police won't act. They're under instruction because of the public panic it will create. So they're well aware of what's going on. That's what they're being told. The reason is not to pursue these criminals, these disgusting, corrupt, genocidal criminals, because of the public panic it will create when everyone realizes they've been poisoned.Well I think certainly from our point of view why we come to you and why others do is the chaos we face over the last three years and you're someone who understands from a professional point of view and you're legit. I mean just spending time with you there in the funeral parlour a year ago it was really worthwhile and I certainly benefited massively from seeing you and just sitting with you connecting with you and realizing that what you see is what you get and I think people appreciate that.
Yeah 100% I come you know my dad always said to me a couple of things he said, always treat people as you want to be treated you know, and me, what kind of guy would I be knowing what I know if I said nothing I'd be complicit. I'm not prepared to be complicit. I've been offered money, I don't want money. I've never taken in no amount of money, they could offer me 10 million pounds, I'd still tell them where to do one, you know. I'd still happily pull the noose and ......., you know, because these people are monsters. So I can't be bought.I'm not frightened of being honest. And I understand that the consequences of not speaking out are far more serious. And what puzzles me the most, and I've said this many times before, is the stupidity of these people that have taken the money and are going along with the narrative.What do they think the future holds for them? Because our future is their future. I can't believe they're so stupid, you know, what good is the money they've been given, going to be in the world these people have planned for us? Their stupidity is beyond belief, their wickedness is beyond belief and we will prevail, I tell you now, we will prevail. It'll be a very costly affair.But the people responsible will be held accountable and I feel very proud and humbled to be part of that, even at the expense of my own life, I really don't care.Well, John, for the first time in my life, before we go into your industry and then some of the stuff on the COVID inquiry, but for the first time in my life as a healthy 45-year-old, I've kind of thought, and I saw you at Jeff Wyatt's funeral, kind of I came away from that thinking, you know, I'd like someone like John O'Looney to actually look after my body when I pass away.
Do you know the, it's funny because my, well you tend to get a build a template when you do this kind of job and my response to that would be well I don't take youngsters but sadly I've had no choice because our government are actively killing them off, you know, that I'm still seeing and there's only so many times you can say the same story, it is exactly what I said it would be and what it was and we're still seeing way too many people coming in for this time of year should be probably doing half what I'm doing. I'm actually at the stage where I have nearly no room at the inn, you know, that's unheard of for this time of year. What everyone else is doing I really don't know, you'd have to ask other undertakers but they know, they know, I see the looks and they all give me a nod and because they know and they're too frightened to say anything, you know, and I get that but the reality is if they had a had a backbone and they had of spoke out this could have all been finished a long time ago and instead it's going to drag on and lives are going to be lost because they never spoke out.That's the bottom line you know these people have the power to change things and with that power comes a great responsibility and I suspect these people will look back and regret their actions at some point or their inactions whereas I will meet my maker with a clean conscience, and I'm not frightened you know so they can do whatever they want, I don't care, the life of your child is more important than mine. I'm 55, I've had most of my life.How long have you been a funeral undertaker? How long have you worked there?How long have you had the business?
So I'm in my 16th year now. 10 years of that was spent working for the co-op, nearly 10 years. The first five years was really good and then the second five years was just after the bank collapsed and they brought the money men in. It was all about propping the bank up, you know, the bank, debt and the emphasis changed very much I felt, I'd hasten to that's my opinion and to give you an example they used to get the girls to do arranging and it would be I could overhear the conversations the managers would give the girls and it was you know tell them you're going to do the best for their mum and show my best coffin and that kind of thing whereas that's not something I would ever do I don't it doesn't sit well with me trying to get people to spend a thousand pound on a coffin for cremation. So I decided to set up my own business to not operate like that and I've been going six years now and it's really on on the template of treating people the way I want to be treated.If you do that, you haven't got it. And I don't earn anything like the same money, I know when I knocked on doors looking to get in as a funeral director and you see all the Aston Martins sitting outside and the big posh premises and I've got an 11 year old Mondeo.Because it's not about the money. I have to get paid because I've got bills to pay myself, but I'm not a wealthy guy and I would die poor, I suspect, you know, because I'm not very mercenary.I care very much about people and I think, the only way I could say is I reinforce that by putting my arse on the line for people. I'm not prepared. The amount of money that I was offered in an email to give my story as an exclusive and then contractually not talk to anyone else, would have paid my mortgage in then some and I wasn't prepared to do that. I've still got a mortgage and I do wonder if I'll ever pay it now.
Well just to touch on your business for going on Milton Keynes Family Funeral Services and it's a service that we will all need at some point in our lives, before we touch on the COVID stuff. But yeah I mean what is that people can come to you, they can go on the website, the links will be in the description and they can use your services for something that we all require at some point in our lives.
Most definitely, I mean obviously I would say I do get a lot of calls from people, people say you'll ruin your business, If you speak out, it'll ruin your business.It doesn't. People respect your integrity. They see that you actually care about people.There are so many people in this industry who don't really care.They just go through the motions. It's 9 to 5. For me, this is not a job. It's a vocation.Caring about something is not something I ever switch off, be that 3 o'clock in the morning or 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning.You have to get up. You have to go and do it. And you have to care.So I get a lot of people ring up, especially since this last two years of genocide, asking me to look after them, and logistically it's just impossible because they're too far out, you know.Unless they want a Milton Keynes funeral, it's very difficult to do a time in for a funeral in Timbuktu and know that I'm going to get there and not be able to look after 10 other families that I'm looking after.So it's, you know, it's very frustrating wanting to help everyone.And if you operate on that kind of template, it's very successful.So you do get to the stage where you get that crossroads where you think, do I employ?And I don't want to become the very thing that I left in the co-op.I wasn't happy there. It was very toxic. There were a lot of people.How do I get someone to be as enthusiastic and as caring as me and my missus are?They're not. You're going to dilute your level of service. And I'm not looking to build an empire.I'm just looking to look after people come through the door and they're broken.And quite often, people come through the door now they've not only lost someone, they know their loved one's been murdered by the state.You imagine how that feels and to be able to make some sort of difference professionally by giving them a bit of care and compassion, I find it really quite rewarding.
Well, I've been there and I've seen the many cards that you receive, the outpouring of thanks, of gratitude for that support, which you are at a hugely difficult time. I mean, what is that like, kind of going through?
It's humbling, but in honesty, I don't feel like I'm doing anything really special.All I'm doing is caring. Isn't that something we should all be doing for each other, whether it's a child that's fell over and cut their knee, or somebody, a stranger crying at a bus stop, and you stop and say, are you all right, love?You know, why shouldn't we, you know, what's special about caring for people?You know, I lost my dad. He was only 57 when he died.And he had something terrible called motor neurone. So he wasted away and he was all twisted and he couldn't even wipe his arse.And I remember when he died feeling a mixture of grief and relief and then guilt for the relief.How can you be relieved your dad's died?But he was in a condition you wouldn't keep a dog and he'd be the first one to say that.And the reality is he took his own life actually two weeks before he would probably would have died anyway.He was knackered, bless him. So I kind of know that pain and then you can relate to that. That's why I think it's very hard for young people to get in the industry for example, because they've got no life experience of that kind of scenario so it's difficult then to relate to someone and be able to know what they want to hear and be able because you've never had that life experience. That said I would urge any youngster looking for a job for life, if you're excuse the pun, to get into the funeral industry. You know the co-op and a firm called Dignity are good, they're big players in the industry and they're a good place to get a foot in the door to get experience and then to go and set up on your own because really the end game is go and work for yourself and I'm not talking about financially but to be able to do it the way you want to do it where it's not all about sales and funeral numbers. It's not funeral numbers, it's mum, it's dad, it's a child, it's a son, it's a daughter, it's so much more than a funeral number.Tell us, you were one of the, certainly the first that I came across, that as a funeral director spoke out at what they were seeing, the excess deaths, what you were finding in people's arteries.In effect, you were a whistle-blower and kind of working in Parliament, I've seen that term whistle-blower being used and the protection that gives or should give. How did you feel?Did you feel any protection as you spoke out?
No, not really. I guess, I mean, people have suggested to me that to keep talking protects me.I never really spoke out considering myself and my own position.If I was solely bothered about me, I probably wouldn't have said anything.I kind of, as a man with a moral compass, who cares very much about others, if you see a blind man crossing the road, would you go and intervene, or would you pull your phone out to film the incident?You know sadly we live in a society where half of the people with this nut case that was allegedly going around stabbing people babies and stuff you know you've got three three or four people filming it.What's that about? It kind of suggests to me that either it's a very sick elaborate setup, just to keep us all distracted from the real story, or there are some very sick people about who are more bothered about likes or earning money from the news story and the payment for the footage. For me, do you know how many films I've got like that on my phone? None, because it wouldn't enter my mind to film it. I'd just get stuck in and give them a right good hiding, its a sad world.It's a sad world. And it just is what it is.Unfortunately, I think that was one of the hardest things. I think when I spoke out initially, I'll be clear.I believed in COVID when it first came out, probably for about 12 weeks.And then as time went on, I gradually saw through the lie until I was utterly convinced.And then, of course, I had the meeting with Sir Graham Brady in Westminster.And I was in no doubt.Life's never been the same since sadly
I'm assuming that Graham Brady hasn't emailed you following that to ask you for your input further
Um no no Graham Brady won't he's a gutless scumbag, I'll make it very clear, I don't pull any punches, he sat there and he listened to what we all said then said it's above his pay grade there's nothing he can do, he's a scumbag, with with power comes responsibility to wield that power and leave a legacy. Now, you can leave different legacies. Do you want to leave it one of good? Do you want to be remembered as someone special who cared about others or do you want to be remembered as someone who sold their soul to the demons and that's what he's done. All he's bothered about is him and his perceived seat on the ark. The same as all of them. They all know if Graham Brady knows, Boris Johnson knows, Rishi Sunak knows, they know, they know and they choose not to do anything about it which is why the police are not doing anything about because they're under orders. On April the 28th of 2022 I went toMilton Keynes Police Station, Thames Valley Police Station, with the great Mark Sexton.God bless him, he's a wonderful man. And I asked to speak to an officer, you know, as a local funeral director concerned about a number of deaths. He seemed very keen. He said sit down. He went upstairs. He came back with a totally different attitude. He'd been told not to talk to us. The incident number was 1068, for those who are interested. We were told that they were, we were told to sit and wait. So we waited a couple of hours. Then he came down and said there's no one free, there's no one free? To talk about a number of deaths? they're all out there pointing speed traps or chasing people for posting hate crimes, you know, Muppets, they're Muppets and I've lost all respect for the police to be honest.And I don't care if they're only doing what they're told to do, they should hang their heads in shame, they made an oath and they're breaking that oath and they should be ashamed of themselves. And I do wonder if there's any coppers left with a backbone or a moral compass, again and I would say to them, what do you think guys, the future holds for you? When they dealt with the last of us, when the last of us has been dealt with in whatever fashion, whatever the plan be. What do you think the future holds for you guys?You haven't got a seat on the ark. Don't be fools. You know, they're tools, they're being used and once they've fulfilled their purpose like all tools, they get discarded, I can't believe there's so many of them are so cowardly.
Well, look, we've, it was a year ago, I spoke to you and you talked about the excess deaths you were seeing and what you were finding when you did the autopsies. Kind of a year on, what is your assessment or perception or view of what is happening? What are you still seeing to this day?
I'm still seeing unnatural numbers of, to give you an insight, I'm seeing an unnatural number of deaths in young people, primarily from cancers and from sudden heart attacks or strokes in people that didn't have any prior history. I look on my wall, to the right of me, there's one, two, three, four, five of my friends, my personal friends that I've grown up in their 40s and 50s that have died in the last 12 months, every one of them was vaccinated.Yeah, yeah, it's a real gallery of heartache, you know. So last week on the 7th, I received an email and this is one of many that I receive constantly because people reach out to me, they know I can be trusted, you know.So it says, hi, John, I contacted you last year supporting your views on COVID and the vaccine mandate.I realize you are busy, but just to let you know how this thing is playing out in my workplace.I'm a nurse of 17 years, and I've spent the last eight years in palliative care settings.Over the past 18 months, there have been a massive increase in cancers diagnosed in those under 50.The time between diagnosis and death is often a few weeks or so before any treatment can even be started.Cancer of the bile duct, cancer of the appendix. I've never heard of this previously.Glioblastoma is now common, especially in the under 40s. It is heart-breaking, yet people are blind to see the cause. It is so sad.Apologies for my rambling. Thanks for continuing to speak outdespite the negative impact it may bring you. Kind regards. And I'm not going to say her name.But that's just one email of, I get them constantly.I have police officers sitting here telling me they know what's going on.They can't do anything out because they're not allowed.They're not allowed.It doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it right. What are people going to do? And while I commend all of these efforts through the courts, it's a double-edged sword, so I believe the Covid inquiry is a joke it's just to percate the masses as as they go further down the madness on climate change and 15 minute cities and and destroying the food chain.And closing all the farms down, an interesting conversation I had today, I had started a little bit late, I took my dog for a walk in the morning because my missus had to go and collect a deceased from Birmingham, early start because the mortuary is only open eight till nine. What's that about? Eight till nine in the morning, an hour to collect deceased. Yeah, so she had to leave at the crack of dawn and I was saddled with taking the dog out, which I don't mind, he's lovely, bless him, he's a little cockapoo. So I'm over the fields, at the back of our house there's a wood and there's then endless fields of wheat this year, the farmers planted, and there's a guy with a tripod and as I'm coming up I can see him and I thought he was taking photographs, and as I got closer, there's like a little flying saucer, not a camera.And I kind of said, Oh, hi, you know, I said, what are you doing?And he said, I'm a geo surveying. I said, okay. Um, why is that? And he said, because they're going to turn it into a solar farm.So I said, what'd you mean? He said the whole, yeah, they're going to turn it into a solar panel farm. That's what it's going to be.He said and that's the plan for the whole of the UK farms are going to go to solar farms, and he actually agreed it's insane but said it's his job and if he doesn't do it somebody else will.
Wow.
What is the matter with these people? How can they not see? How can they not see, if I said to you, listen, we've got an agenda. We want to depopulate. I need you to poison kids for me. What would be the price that you would do it for them? I just can't. It does. There is no price.I wouldn't care what they offer me, what threats they did. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it.You know, and I can't believe these people are doing roles, fulfilling roles that they know is going to harm the community, everyone, and still going through it. So that's a really interesting conversation. And I kind of said, you know, I mentioned about the farms in Holland and what they were doing there, and that's the plan here is to turn every farm they possibly can into a solar farm.
Yeah, no, we drive across the country and you see fields covered and it's unbelievable.
Yeah, well now they're doing the massive farms at the back of us.
Yes. Can I add that the COVID inquiry, it was, well, it's just started, literally, today, as we record two days before this goes out, and it was interesting reading the media that now suddenly are interested in freedoms, although they didn't really give a damn the last two and a half years, but suddenly they're supposedly switched on.But actually the COVID inquiry was urging people who came to it to test for COVID before the hearings. Immediately you saw this is charade. If that is the first step, it's charade.
It's total bullshit you know. From the beginning and when you look at people, I can remember talking very early on to a BBC reporter, Anna Brees, who is a truther, who had a range of masks for sale on her website.You know, when you're like, come on, what is the hypocrisy?GB News, the People's Channel, you know, the amount of times I've reached out to them, they don't want to talk to me. And when you listen to them, you had Mark Steyn doing a really good job and a couple of others. The rest of it is exact same MSM bullshit.Pushing trans this and trans that and climate change. And don't get me wrong, I don't care what someone wants to be. Do you know what? Quietly, privately, the same as I have to.You know, if I went around barking how heterosexual I was at everyone, they'd soon get sick of me.You know, it's an agenda. It's smoke and mirrors. It's to divide us and to get us all busy fighting each other, ignoring the real story. And that's genocide. You know, people need to wake up. And the same with all these stabbings. I'm not convinced these are genuine events. I would have to personally speak to the families. You can't believe anything you see on the news. And I watched the video footage. I worked on the door for seven years as a doorman in pubs and clubs.I know what it's like when it kicks off. I've been attacked with a knife myself as a younger man.It isn't realistic. The footage doesn't look remotely real to me personally and I thinkthere's a great possibility that it's orchestrated to divide us with the community that they're important, to keep us all busy attacking each other, not actually focusing on who the real enemy is to all of us.
I agree, it looks, I felt exactly the same watching the footage.
It's just, it just doesn't look real, it doesn't feel real, it looks horrid, there's no sense of real urgency or panic or, you know, what adult in their right mind would film babies being stabbed?They clearly knew what was going on but chose to film it. It's just utter rubbish, I just don't believe it and this is the same, brought to us by the same people telling us it's safe and effective, you know, no it isn't, no it isn't, I'm putting people in coffins in record numbers even now, I don't believe a word these people are saying, in fact I am in my experience now whatever they tell me, the truth is the polar opposite.Well at the inquiry talking about 226,977 deaths where COVID was recorded on the death certificate, the interesting thing is they admit that they were significantly higher amongst those with dementia, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, so they list a whole load of issues that would make you vulnerable to anything and could contribute to death and yet it's all down to COVID.
I spoke to many of the carers in these care homes. Obviously, the care home is an environment I go in regularly. It comes up in conversation. Some carers are far more vocal and truthful than others. I know what they did. I know what they did. They got a great big payment for every COVID death. They got a great big payment for everyone they could convince needed ventilating, to damage their lungs. They got payments for everyone they could throw remdesivir in. They got payments for everyone that could throw baricidinib in and toxilizumab.I've challenged the hospital. I've been ignored by powers after my stay.I know what they've done. They know what they've done. They've done it for money and they're stupid and they've got to live with their self now.Whatever way this goes, they've got to live with their self. I tell you the way it's going to go is there's going to be a great deal of civil unrest because more and more people are going to lose loved ones. You only have to look at the ONS data.I would say a third of the people that are coming in now are really, really angry because they know what's happened, they know, they know.Some of them are not aware, they're blissfully unaware. So well done, New World Order, because you've convinced them, you're slaughtering them, and convincing them is nothing you've done.I know what you've done, I know what you've done.And a growing number of people know what you've done.You will be held accountable, you will be held accountable. I'm gonna push, along with many others, to see that that happens.And I look forward to going right to the head of the snake.And I'm not frightened of them. I'm not frightened of them.What disgusting, despicable people. You know, soulless, Satanists, soulless scumbags.
Oh, they're complete. It's weird when you see how the media report on us.But The Guardian were reporting that 25% of people don't believe the COVID narrative.And I actually was encouraged by that, that obviously the media are worried.
Oh, I can tell you, there's a great awakening and there's nothing they can do to stop it.And the harder they try, the more people see it. So let them do their worst.I love it. I love the fact that it's now getting really quite dark because now people are seeing the truth.These people's days are numbered.They're gonna lose everything they've got.They're gonna lose it all. and I'm gonna be one of the people to make sure it happens.Tell us about the conversations you have with, you touched on a little bit, but with those who come in, whenever it, through the conversations, you will understand actually it is the jab that's actually caused this.
Well, I kind of, during the arrangement process, very early on, we were having to ask people, you know, was mum or dad jabbed, you know, because initially we kind of thought, well, you know, does it mean that they're less contagious to dress or wash, and of course we have a draconian government who have abused people's human rights laws and they pushed them and forced them and blackmailed them and coerced them into having these jabs and then made it really important that you're up to date on your vaccines you know there's going to be a passport there's going to be a you know brutalizing people abusing their own citizens so people have been very forthcoming if I've asked and and it's very difficult really with someone in their 80s for example you may say that there's a chance that that person would pass away anyway and I understand that but when I'm getting a record number of people in their 30s, 40s and 50s, especially, 40s and 50s being the key areas of un, record numbers, I've never seen anything like, it. I'm pretty sure when someone comes through the door and they're 45 years old, they've got no history of heart trouble and they've had a sudden heart attack and then I ask what's the vaccine. Oh yeah, they've had all their vaccines.They know, they know, a lot of these people know. Now I'm not there as a conspiracy theorist to say oh yeah you know your mum, not only have you lost your mum, your mum was murdered. You know I'm not, it's not my place to do that, I'm there to help them but if they bring it up and they say it was the vaccine, I'm happy to talk to them about it and then I'm happy to tell them my experience and the look on their face as the truth dawns on them and they know, they know anyway, all they need is someone on the cold face to confirm what they already know, and the reaction when they speak to the coroners and they know the coroner's a liar, you know, someone's lying to your face, they know, they know, they go to the inquest and they they know, they can see the lies and there's nowhere to go. I get call after call after call after call asking me where can I get a second opinion, where can I get, you can't because you could get a private post-mortem done. It'd be the scumbag coroner who works for the government doing it privately taking more money off you. You know when it's like, what's the point?You know, they're not going to um I've complained to the coroner, the local coroner, I've complained to the chiefCoroner of England and I got a four-word reply. So, I emailed him and I said, what are you doing about all these massive number of thrombosis deaths that we're seeing? I know you're seeing it because I'm seeing them here.They're not unique to me and I got a four-word reply we follow government policy that was it, so government policy is to list the cause of death, the cause of death was thrombosis.Government policy dictates you don't go any further than that so they're not because they're, doing what they're told to do isn't that what the Nazis did, uh in Nuremberg I remember, I've seen the videos where they said we were doing what we told to do, doesn't make it right it doesn't mean that you don't avoid the noose. And these people must know, they must know what the future holds for them. There is no seat on the ark for any of them, there is no seat on the ark. It's only together we're going to stop this and we're going to look back on history and we're going to be grateful that we actually came together and wish we'd done it earlier.You know, people need to realize there is no, there, our future is their future. You know, whether I'm here or not, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter. The idea is for me to leave a legacy of truth, to inspire others, to push for the change that is clearly needed. It's a must.Otherwise, there'll be nothing left for God to save. There'll be nothing left.These people are gonna destroy everything, except them in their little bunkers with their food store or whatever. You know, it's sickening, absolutely sickening.But this is the battle we face. This is why we're here, isn't it?So I'll embrace that task. And every death doesn't dishearten me.It makes my resolve stronger to push for that justice.And that's what I'm gonna continue to do until they nail me and I have a sudden heart attack or a sudden, very aggressive cancer.I know what the risks are. I don't care.
At the beginning you talked about you're busier than ever, you've no space. What does that mean?So here in a funeral home my capacity is about 15. I'm at 13 at the moment. Usually this time of year I would have four or five. So is that because I'm running a successful business in year six and building a reputation as a good undertaker apart from a conspiracy theorist?Yes, probably is, uh your reputation or okay. If you said there was a 50% increase in year six, I, should have seven or eight in and I've got thirteen.Why is that? I don't know. You tell me, I kind of said what I thought.What do others think? What is what are other undertakers doing in their funerals? I don't know. I look at the ONS consistently 20%. 20%, 20%.Yeah. I think the last one went down to 9% in excess deaths. Nobody is bothered. Nobody wants to know why. Nobody is at all bothered.You know, it'd be interesting to see this COVID inquiry debacle touches on that andI worked it out actually in World War II. Over the course of days, it's an interesting statistic, I've got the numbers somewhere, I'll throw them over, but during the duration of World War II, British soldiers there was, well the first uh excess deaths works out at 284 a day um covid, sorry excess deaths at the moment historically there were 284 a day, in world war it It was 175 they were losing a day.160 yeah, that's the difference it's 100 higher than world war II in excess deaths, unexplained excess deaths and the commonest thing I see on paperwork now is death unascertained death unascertained, how can that, how can they not know when I'm pulling this white stuff out of their arteries, you know that grows post-mortem apparently, it only grows post-mortem so after you die your arteries fill up with like white rubber, it's, but you know it's it's so frustrating but the truth is out there it's in the numbers isn't it you know so they can say what they like, I'll be remembered for the right reasons.
You've talked about what you pull out of arteries and we had Richard Hirschman on before and telling the same thing, what is the response to others in the industry?Because they're seeing the same thing, I assume.
Yeah, this is the stuff. (Shows blood clots in glass jar)
Wow.
So this is like a white calamari stuff. This came from the neck of a 31 year old woman.Single incision, straight case, she wasn't post-mortem.And when he withdrew the nozzle of the embalming pump, this flew out.This never happens, it's not normal.
It's not normal, that's what I was gonna say, it's not normal.
It's not normal. It's never happened. My embalmer said the same thing. He's got 20 years. He's BIE registered.You know, British Institute of Embalmers. They've all actually been warned openly warned not to say anything to anyone about any concerns that they have, can only report it to to their their media advisor kind of officer, Kate. I think her name is, it was very interesting. So, they have a bi-monthly British Institute of Embalmers magazine and that's given out to embalmers as members of the BIE and there's a clear warning in there, you know, you don't talk to anyone with any concerns. Why would you not, why would you even tell people that? Surely if you have concerns, you should raise those concerns. No, not according to the BIE, you don't talk about it.Your role as you look at the bodies, as you talk to the relatives, you're talking about how they have died. I mean you talk about the excess, the cancer rates and that's one particular that I've looked into and I'm shocked at. We've heard of the myocarditis, the heart issues and we've had Ed Dowd on before. I mean is it a range of issues which you're seeing that seem to be caused by the the jab itself.
It's mainly super aggressive cancer. So cancer, right? I'll touch on that. Pre COVID jab, people come in and I'm a people person. I get to know that family from the first phone call, collect a near loved one from the place of death, be that the hospital in the home where district nurses visited them and put them out in their misery, basically bless them. And so you build a bond. And at some point you would say to these people, so what happened to mum, what happened to dad with a cancer death and they would give you their cancer story if you like, and it would be a three, four, five year story, now we're getting people will like Helen, said in the email that I've got, six weeks, eight weeks, 12 weeks, too quickly to even get treated where they're actually presenting at stage four. And there's a reason for that. So this mRNA, it reprograms your T cells.So the way it works is everyone develops cancer in their body. As they get old, their cells reproduce and you get the odd cell that reproduces and it's broken. That's a cancer. And your T cell detects this and it goes, oh, there's a cancer. Pow. And it zaps it. As you get older, your ability to do that falters. Well, what happens is with these vaccines, it's switching that T cell off. So as these form, they're totally unchecked. And this is why we're getting people die from cancer. They didn't even tell me the number. I think it's number 48 is what, gene 48, whatever that is, or, you know, but it's a T cell basically that tackles cancer.They turn that off. So of course, then the cancer runs riot. And that's why they're dying in eight weeks instead of two or three or four or five years, you know. And again, we're seeing people dying from cancers that are really unheard of, super rare ones.It sticks out like a sore thumb. I've got hospice nurses writing to me to say the same thing.They're seeing the numbers. I'm seeing the numbers in people in their 40s, people in their 50s that just didn't die before. To give you an idea of how unusual it is now.When I worked for the co-op, we were, the hub I was working in, we were doing about 800 funerals a year and it was busy and busy as a relative term, to the amount of staff you've got there but to give you an idea, I do about 160 funerals a year here, I guess, a ballpark figure and when I worked for the co-op and we would do it 800 a year, I could count the amount of people, 150 on one hand, in a 12 month period. I've had that in some months. 150. Yeah, it's phenomenal increase, phenomenal and that correlates, I've had insurance specialists get in touch with me and say we're really worried, we're seeing incredible numbers of policy pay-outs in the under 50s because they're all dying of cancer after being vaccinated, that you know it's undeniable and it's, it certainly is there to the point we're having an inquiry, well why are they having an inquiry if it's safe and effective, because they know and they're just trying to placate people and carry on with the agenda, do you know it's insane and it can only ever end one way and I believe us in civil unrest sadly and I don't want people to kick off and start smashing and burning. I want them just to simply turn their backs on these people and say no, we're not, we're not, no.We're not doing it anymore. When they announce the next lockdown, be that for climate change or because of civil unrest, they've cultivated by throwing thousands and thousands of young men from a far away country and then throwing out loads of propaganda saying how terrible they are whilst encouraging them perhaps to be terrible. You know, whatever the reason for the next lockdown, Don't comply. Don't do it.Don't do it. I'm not saying that you have to be committing crime, but don't be locked up in your own houses. Don't follow, you know, don't let your business go under because you're not going to work.That's what they want. That's what they want. And even talking about it and thinking about it, it's insane really, but this is the position these demons have put us in. An Agenda 2030 is very much underway, you know. The sooner people wake up, the sooner we've got a chance collectively to stop it and change it and put these people at the head of the snake in a position where they understand they're going to lose everything unless they backtrack and stop it and throw a few people under the bus, your Fauci, your Gates and that's what they're going to have to do because otherwise they will lose everything and I can't wait for that day, be I here to see it or not.
Because I'm expecting watching the inquiry they will throw the odd person under the bus who's a nobody like Hancock or someone.
I want to see all of them. Everyone is guilty. And then, providing we can keep them in a position where they don't commit suicide in the prison cell, which seems to be a very common occurrence, doesn't it, with anyone who holds key information. I want to see Gates, Fauci, you know, even the likes of Soros. What a scumbag he is. You know, what he's done is unbelievable. He's the devil incarnate, you know. And, oh, you're anti-Semitic if you say anything, no I'm not, you know. The reality is it doesn't matter what religion the guy is, he is a scumbag, he is the devil's own and you know I hope there is a God, I believe there is and I hope that he deals with him and Soros doesn't look like he's got much life left in him anyway and I will celebrate his death like Christmas.He's a scumbag. He's an absolute scumbag. What he's done is wickedness, absolute wickedness.Even from when he was a teenager, robbing the dead.You know, and he did it because other people would have. Like, that makes it right, you know?And what an awful person? And he's just gone from one demonic act to the next.I'm looking forward to seeing... There's a documentary about to emerge from Mel Gibson on the child trafficking in Hollywood.I think we're all waiting for that with bated breath. Let's hope there's a catalyst. There must be some police officers or military somewhere that are a force for good and have a moral compass and a backbone and care about children. There must be. So let's hope there is such a force, or a collective force, be that an international collective force of good that wants to force the change that's really needed to save humanity from these people.No, 100%, 100%. Can I finish off with a point, which I think I've done each time I've been with you, just to point out that you actually, weirdly, someone who works in the funeral business benefits from excess deaths because it's business, weirdly, but yet you are speaking out, so there's nothing for you to gain from speaking out.
No, I've got everything to lose, I've got nothing to gain.Do you know what, I was never short of work.I was never short of work. I like to look after people that have had a full life.I don't want to look after seven-year-old kids who died a week after being vaccinated.I don't want to look after 32-year-old mums of three who've got sudden, very aggressive, unexplained breast cancer that takes them in three weeks.I don't want to do that. I shouldn't have to do that. But my government has poisoned people.And I don't think it's naïve of you because Graham Brady, his face, at the meeting, it said the story.He said, I can't stop it. above my pay grade. These, we've let the wrong people get into power and it's time that we had a purge and we got rid of them and we put people in there with a moral compass. You know, we'd be better off with a dustbin, a dustbin man in Westminster running the show with a moral compass.It would do better for all of us, you know. It's, we've got to see change. We've got to see, and I'm not talking about reform and all the other bollocks. You know, I want to see a total dissolution of Parliament and a re-fabrication, you know, the whole, everything, it needs to go, the lot of them, they're all scumbags and I think what illustrated it for me more than anything else was when Mr Andrew Bridgen stood up to voice concerns over an unprecedented number of constituents dying and they all got up and walked out and then you've got these haggard, poisonous old men of privilege, going around and berating two young female MPs and bullying them out.And not to listen. You know, that's not democracy. That's not democracy. That's Nazis.They're mental. What's the matter with them? And it makes me really quite angry and animated.And that's what people need. I think they need to get angry and build on their moral compass, and force the change that's needed. We are the power. They're nothing without us.They're nothing. They're haggard old men sitting in a posh house somewhere. They're nothing without us. We don't comply. They've got nothing. And that's what I would urge people. It's the same same as voting, right? There is no democracy. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Labour, Tories, two sides of the same coin. So I would urge everyone to go to the ballot box because, you have to go and vote. If you don't vote, you give your consent to whoever's voted in.So you have to go and write across your ballot in black ink. I do not consent. Put it in the spoilt ballot papers. They are counted. They represent the feeling of the public.So, don't sit at home thinking, oh, it's a waste of time, it is a waste of time voting, but go and vote to spoil your ballot paper and write, I do not consent.That way you're withdrawing your consent to whatever candidate is voted in.You have to go and do it. You can use their process against them, you know, don't sit back and think it's a waste of time. I'm not going.I can tell you, I'll go down there. I'll be down there and I'll put, I do not consent across my ballot paper.That's counted as a spoiled paper. numbers are revealed, let these scumbags get in on a couple of thousand votes with 25,000 spoiled papers and see them shuffle their way into their second home and all their expenses paid no electric bill, no gas bill because we pay their bills scumbags, scumbags.John I can't agree with you more and as an honour to speak with you, a voice of reason and you've become a figure that people look to and listen for your balls of courage.
Well I care very much about them, and I would care very much about them from beyond the grave and I'll run back into the light to get back at them because I will never give up, I will never give up and I never, I'm not going to be politically correct and pull punches, I'll tell them as I feel it is and I think I speak for a lot of people.
Absolutely, well thank you so much John for your time today once again.
And yours Peter, God bless you and God bless everyone.
 

Anni Cyrus - Iran Shows That Islam Remains a Clear and Present Danger to the West

While the focus has been on the Covid Tyranny, the loss of personal freedoms, the impending rollout of digital ID's and CBDC's and China, its easy to forget that Islam remains a threat to all our freedoms. Anni Cyrus joins us to remind us that the rise of Islam has not gone away and its threats to our freedoms and way of life remains and grows. We look at the Islamic Republic of Iran that exemplifies the Islamic threat, their economic clout (linking with the BRICS economies) and its growing military threat that should be a wake up call to the West.
Aynaz “Anni” Cyrus is the founder of ‘Live Up To Freedom’, she was born in 1983 into an Islamic family in Iran, after the Islamic Revolution removed the Shah and turned the “mini-America” of the Middle East into an Islamic tyranny. Given no choice, Aynaz was labeled as a Muslim by birth. Under Sharia (Islamic Law) she grew up under total Islamic dominance by her father, a Sheikh, and her mother, a Quran teacher.At age nine, Aynaz rejected Islam completely in her heart and mind. It happened on her 9th birthday when the Islamic state, in a public ceremony, declared the absurdity that she would be, from that day forward by law, an adult woman.Over the next six years, Aynaz suffered terrible, but legal by Islamic Law, abuses and punishments at the hands of many Islamic males of Iran. After being forcibly sold by her own father into an extremely violent marriage, Aynaz desperately sought escape from her hell as a child bride. Even after being visibly battered one last time, the Islamic courts denied her a divorce from the man who was clearly bound to beat her to death.So at age 15, facing death by one way or the other, Aynaz got herself smuggled out of Iran, to save her own life. Knowing nothing of the life of freedom for women and girls outside of Iran or Islam, she ran into what she calls “The Unknown.” But her running was a crime, for which, to this day, she stands condemned to death by stoning under Sharia.Aynaz then gained asylum in Turkey through the United Nations. But, as an unaccompanied minor, she was obligated to wait three more years. Finally, at age 18 her petition to become an American citizen was approved. After a further delay following 9/11, Anyaz was allowed entry into the United States on August 8, 2002. She became a naturalized and proud American citizen in 2010.Since 2011, Aynaz has produced the popular Internet video series, “The Glazov Gang”, hosted by renowned author in the counter-jihad movement, Dr. Jamie Glazov. Aynaz also appears in many of the show’s hundreds of segments. Years of her media appearances are found in public speaking venues, interviews, videos, and articles, published in affiliation with The David Horowitz Freedom Center, Jihad Watch, Breitbart, American Thinker, Worldview Weekend, and American Truth Project, to mention a few.
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Interview recorded 7.6.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up with Anni Cyrus, who re-joins us after being with us a year ago.And last year, we focused purely on Islam as the ideology as a religion.This time, we focus more on the geopolitics. And we really start with Islam dropping off the agenda. Why that's so?With the rise of the focus on COVID tyranny, China, press freedoms and free speech.Should we be concerned that Islam is not on the agenda? Then we look at energy, where Iran fits into this really in the Middle East with a focus away on Russian energy and where Iran fits this and Iran's connections with the BRICS economy, that economic powerhouse and what that means for the West.Does that mean a removal from the US's power and influence in the world?We touch on military. Iran firing its first hypersonic missile.What could go wrong with that? And then we end off looking at Islam itself as the ideology, its role, its place in America. Should we be concerned? We've talked a lot about Europe, and its place, haven't touched so much on America. So what does that mean for America? A lot packed in. I know you love listening to Anni as she shares her insights on Islam and the geopolitical issues. 
Anni Cyrus, it's wonderful to have you back with us again. Thank you for your time today.(Anni Cyrus)
It is my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me back. 
Not at all. It's been nearly a year since you were back with us on July 2022, last year.My escape from Islam and why the West needs to wake up and people can find that if you look back a year ago.Today I think we want to look at why Islam has dropped off the agenda with so much focus on other issues, rightly so.I think the focus has come off Islam. So we want to delve into that but people can find you @Anni_Cyrus on Twitter. You're elsewhere. GETTR, Instagram. Everywhere else and liveuptofreedom.com is the website.Of course, your Lindell TV. Where's the best place to catch you, Anni?
liveuptofreedom.com, that would be the place where you find all the other links, all the videos, either my own shows or my appearances on other programs, liveuptofreedom.com is the best place to go.
Okay, well the viewers and listeners can go there. Now, as I said at the beginning, it seems Islam has slipped off the agenda with the focus on, I guess, COVID tyranny that we've all faced, the focus on China, and rightly so, has been one of the biggest threats to certainly the US and the world. I think our attention is focused on that and off Islam. I'm wondering, first of all, am I right to be concerned for that change of focus? 
Oh, most definitely. I've been concerned since day one when I started noticing the shift, which of course in America, it started from 2020, the election and the covid situation and the vaccine mandates and on and on and on.Yes, because it's I have always said as long as like cancer, you want to monitor that all time. No matter what comes up, you still get your annual check-up.And that's the thing. It's still pretty much as much of an enemy to human society as it was two days ago, two years ago and 20 years ago.But sadly, as you said, it's been kind of faded away or not enough attention is being paid to Islam or as I call the green side of the red-green axis.So yes, it's still very much there. The same way it was before COVID happened, before everything else started happening.It's still there.
And tell us about you because you are touching on many other things but you've still kept your major focus on your concerns of Islam, on the clash that we have between the freedoms that Islam takes away and the dominant place that it is bringing to the West.What is it like for you as you keep sounding the alarm on that issue?
I would say for last year and a half. I do feel like I'm just screaming in the forest.Nobody's listening. Okay, I should say nobody but majority of people aren't even listening, and again, I understand you when when you don't see aSeptember 11 happening you might think the danger is over, when you see so many Muslims are being elected in different countries for different positions. You're like, well, you know, they learn to coexist, so I understand why most people wouldn't listen, but it is very frustrating because I, you know see the writing on the wall. I follow all the news from Middle East in the Islamic countries I see the involvement of Western countries that are literally, enabling more and more powerful countries like Islamic Republic of Iran and I can see it. I can feel it I just don't tend to be able to get people to understand equal amounts of time and attention is needed for stopping this very smooth on the ground movements of Islamization.
I want to get into geopolitics as you mentioned on Iran and other parts, but certainly over the last 12 months I've been in the US a lot and been probably three different major conferences, including at CPAC and Islam simply wasn't on the agenda and you listen to all the speeches, all the issues and they're all absolutely important, essential, we need to understand.But Islam wasn't on it and that's more probably looking at it from a political point of view and it doesn't seem to be there. I mean what are your thoughts as you look on the political discourse on this.Well, let me start here. One of the main reasons that you don't hear much about Islam from Politic aspect of life if you put it that way in any country, especially United States of America, UK, Canada it's the fact that, you you cannot know, you do not want to be labelled as Islamophobe why you go let's say Congress you go on the floor and you got you know, Muslims like Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib is standing there, that awkward moment needs to be avoided because we are the Western countries that have the spoiled, behaviour mentality. We don't we want to avoid conflict. We want to avoid confrontation We want to avoid possibly being removed from our positions losing that fancy pay check we have so we will look the other way, that's on that angle. But as far as the events such as CPAC or DNC or any of them, there are two problems number one again. You don't want to lose funding, You don't want to lose the sponsors and you also don't want to start receiving bomb threats on your events because then people won't show up if somebody said I remember in 2018 I had a event summer in Minnesota and the morning of the event where Steve called that well, there's a bomb threat on the church, you're about to show up.I'm like, I'm still showing up. The church said, we're still going to let you show up.But guess what? People didn't show up.The speaker showed up, the venue stayed in place, but the audience didn't show up because they weren't going to risk their life to learn about this danger.So you put all of that together, it becomes to where they will, I'm not saying they're doing the right thing.Maybe they shouldn't do what they're doing. They shouldn't avoid talking about it.For example, where Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar or Obama or Keith Ellison or any of them that come out, as of right now we have 218, Muslim Practicing Sharia members inside United States of America's government from locally all the way to federal government offices.218, and we're willing to not chase after any of them to call them out on their Anti-American anti-Semitic anti-human behaviour or requests such as Ilhan Omar's, blasphemy Anti-islamophobia deals that she's trying to push, because we either they either don't want to lose their head because when you chase after Islam when you expose Islam you automatically will have a bounty that's gonna be taken from Quran 9 5 we had on wherever you find them, So most people prefer to keep their life, I guess.
I understand that. From a human point of view, I get that. But as you certainly and we are trying to do is seek truth and speak up on injustices that you find.But looking at the geopolitical side of it, I guess with the move away from Russian energy and Biden's move away from US energy, where they're seeming to cut their nose off, spite their face, and we, I guess, our reliance on other countries and into that steps Iran.Do you think, have you seen Iran gain legitimacy because the West is desperate for other sources and seemingly not looking at those sources underneath its own feet?
I wouldn't say they are gaining or they will gain legitimacy, but I will say this, considering I strongly believe all of this was orchestrated, all of these walkaways were orchestrated, Because at the end of the day, there's this very, very, very old saying by, forgive me as I draw a blank on her name every time I want to say her name, but it was Israel's prime minister who said, as long as Mullahs are in charge of Middle East, the Western powers will become more powerful.On that note, they had to give more power to Mullahs. Now when we say Mullahs, we're not just talking about Iran's regime.We're talking about Taliban. We talk about ISIS, we talk about Al-Qaeda, and I know most of your audience hopefully are aware that most of these literal names of, you know, the regime of Iran and the Taliban, they are all made by Western countries, specifically UK, France, and US. In order to regain that power that they needed, the chaos that needs to be in place in Middle East, they did what they did, you know, US, the most disastrous, embarrassing withdrawal of our history from Afghanistan, handing it over to Taliban, having an agreement with Taliban.I covered this while ago based on leaked documentations that United States of America signed an agreement with Taliban that we shall never attack Taliban.Now we'll explain what happened at the airport. That's why our soldiers had a stand down order in Afghanistan that very day because we have made a promise to never attack Taliban as long as they're in power.Now, this agreement was signed in February of 2020, February of 2020, way before Taliban even took power.So for anybody who thinks Taliban just jumped on an opportunity and took Afghanistan.No. Agreement was signed way before we even decided to withdraw from Afghanistan. Iran, yes sanctions are lifted, we're just about to give him another 17 billion dollars frozen asset between China and Iraq, No, sorry, not China South Korea and Iraq, and we had to walk away from all of these energies so we could pretend like we're giving legitimacy to Iran to start becoming our source for the lack of energy we need.Oh, it does. And you mentioned, you did a video just a few days ago on that US and Iran can reach a deal soon on release of frozen funds. Talks between Iran and US on the release of Tehran's frozen assets could result in a deal, and you mentioned 10 billion. To most viewers, listeners, that would be sound crazy. Why would the US be doing a deal with Iran? Who does that benefit? What purpose is it for? I mean, explain to us as you see why that is happening and how that benefits anyone.So let me go back to what I just said. The Prime Minister of Israel is saying as long as Mullahs are in power in the Middle East, the Western countries become more powerful.So September of last year, there was an uprising in Iran.People of Iran were tired of this tyranny. They started an uprising that turned into a full-on revolution, and the government or the regime of Iran started becoming very desperate in all shapes and forms.It was time for their current ally, being United States of America, or more specifically Biden regime, to come to rescue.The more funding available for the regime of Iran, the better they can stay in control if you call it and that's what did happen The first release of a billion dollars that we did for them back in I believe February or late January, to today you notice that the revolution has died down it has slowed down.
32,000 Iranians in prison, political prisoners every morning two to three Iranians are being hung and executed for blasphemy or or propaganda against the regime, or being a spy for Israel, you name it.They pick your title, whatever.And the regime is staying in power again, currently. So to answer your question of who's gonna benefit from this would be the mullahs and the regime of Iran, and furthermore, the Biden regime, or also we can say the elite, we can say the globalist.Again, I don't really have a specific title for them. How did they benefit from it?That's as United States of America has been a target for a very long time.And I don't mean couple of years, I mean decades.United States of America had to be taken down. The best way to describe this is how my boss, Jamie Glazov put it in his, one of his books, United in Hate, where the left likes to burn America down, and build their own deluded utopia on the ashes left behind.Islam has always been the best tool to burn down anything because when Islam comes in they strip you of your culture your language your mentality, your personality, your humanity everything goes away, that's why red green axis is started because the red, they knew there is no way they can easily easily conquer any of the modern, civilized Western countries because we're aware of history.That's when Islam came in to do the job for them and not to give you too much of a preacher a long history lesson, but bottom line is those who would like to change our lives as free, countries will benefit from this deal because the more money the regime, the more they stay in power, the more they can finance all the jihad attacks more of their, you know, sleeper cells itself can be imported into countries like UK and US and Canada, the time is right, they just started their major attack, which I have estimated within a year, by the time the next presidential election is done in America is when we will see a series of coordinated jihadist attack in United States, big cities, schools and churches.
Because obviously the argument from Sleepy Joe would be that, and probably for most of West is that all you need is to help those poor Islamic countries that are suffering and if we can give them an economic boost then we can all be friends and we can have global peace.You're saying that the way to fix this is not necessarily economic?No, here's a few things by the way. We don't call him Sleepy Joe anymore, we call him a slippery. 
That's true.
So, now that being said, that's been clear, seriously, this guy slips a lot, doesn't he?Slippery Joe can have that argument, but as far as having, you know, the argument of the best way to stop Iran from having nuclear weapon is diplomacy.That's what the talking point of Lincoln has been.But the there are a few problems. Number one Iran already has the nuke, Netanyahu did a, seminar and he showed all the documents that Iran has nukes already so there is no goal of stopping Iran from having nuke. So that's right there. The second part is if we do this and this and that as Obama started at hope, for peace, If you study the behaviour of any of the 50 countries that is led by Islam, meaning the constitution of the country is Islam and Sharia, you come to realize, considering there is no peace involved in the cult itself, you can't expect any peace from the leaders of the cult either.That's just, again, deluded utopia, deluded peace. Now, it's kind of funny, but I do sometimes say, if you look at the language of Islam, which is Arabic, the letter P doesn't exist.How do they claim peace?If they can pronounce it, I'll accept it. Because they don't have Pepsi in Arabic countries, they have Bepsi. And they don't call my language Parsi. You all know as Iran's language is Farsi.Our language is not Farsi, it's Parsi. When it was conquered by Islam, they turned it into Farsi because they couldn't pronounce Parsi.So if any of them can pronounce peace, I'll accept it from them.I know this seems like a very tiny thing that is irrelevant, but the lies start from right there and it goes all the way to Biden saying, this is for the sake of human society.We need to unfreeze all these assets, give them more money so they can become peaceful.It's the same scenario. If we take away your second amendment, bad guys are not gonna have guns anymore.That's how much sense this deal is making to us right now.Obviously, the economic side that I've seen the whole BRICS countries coming together.And I think I read that Iran's trade with BRICS exceeded 34 billion in 11 months.And it seems that Iran are finding bedfellows with Brazil and Russia and India, China, South Africa, and that is growing.Does that take away the power of the US? Obviously, they're not punishing Iran, they want a trade with Iran, but Iran and other Islamic countries, I guess, will be becoming part of this new global economic bloc that really disposes America's place in the world.Well, the thing is that they have that ability, thanks to U.S. right now, because part of the sanctions that were lifted originally in October of 2021 was this very deal you're talking about.Their ability to be part of this huge boost of economy for them.Does it take away the power from people of America to have any hope to push back against Iran's regime?Yes. But from the elite again, the Biden regime. No, it actually gives them more leverage because the more powerful the Iran regime becomes either I don't know if you followed that part, but September of last year when it was the first time ever Ebrahim Raisi the current president of Iran, landed in New York with his own private government jet in New York Airport is when I said fellow Americans wake up, 44 years ago at the Iran Tehran Cemetery, Khomeini said let the plan begin, We will take down the great Satan America and we will wipe Israel off the map, today we have Ibrahim Raisi known as butcher of Tehran, under investigation for Crimes against humanity under personal sanction by government of United States of America just landed in New York.What power There is no power left, not for us.They have gained all the power.The alliance has been completed.But the question is again, are people listening? 
What about the military side?I mean, Iran or a economic power, I mean, what's nearly 100 million people, it's a powerful entity in terms of mass and numbers, and it's been working on its military. I think I read, recently about them unveiling their first hypersonic missile in challenge, not only to the West but in Israel. We'll touch on Israel a bit, but that growing, I guess, military supremacy, that Iran have, and Iran seem to be, I guess, ahead of other Islamic countries, probably because US have partnered closely with other Islamic countries up north where Iran have been held as a more prior state, but as they're welcomed in, I mean it's frightening to anyone who cares about freedom to see Iran having military capability of hypersonic missiles, which means that's beyond the capability of America to actually defend itself.
Well, that's true. And here's the thing.Iran and Russia since the Ukraine crisis now, let me do that, since the Ukraine crisis, Iran and Russia have created this very strong alliance as far as military equipment goes, right and then right before that what we left Afghanistan, I'll remember if the United States of America's military left about 85 billion dollar equipment behind, Taliban got those equipment and more than 70% of it was sold to Iran and they started using the technology either replicating or using the technology to advance their military equipment. This is all within year and a half getting close to two years, comes August is two years. So yes, I understand especially my fellow Americans they do not like it when I say this, but the reality is if Iran decides to wipe Israel off the map tomorrow, they have the capability right now.And that is why last week there was a release that when the United States of America's representative decided to meet with Oman's president to turn Oman into the new middleman between Iran and America because Qatar was the middleman before.Some of the officials of Israel were aware and they hoped for the best.Because even the Israeli government is very well that since they're not going to do because here's the thing Israel also has what it takes to go up against Iran but as we both know the Israeli government isn't going to do that. They're so worried about their image. They are not going to first make the first move, I actually said it once and I received a lot of backlash, so don't attack Peter if you don't like what I'm about to say, come attack me on my page, but the point is how many times have you heard of Israeli governmentalmost cornering Hamas and they're receiving a phone call from America to say ceasefire and they're like ceasefire.They are not going to do this, most of people out there. Unfortunately anti-Semitism is on the rise and it's the most, practice in human act, I'm not sure what they're worried about. I don't think their image could get any worse than it is already in the world but they're not going to attack so they go behind our representatives, like best of luck, go get them. They're gonna sign an agreement with you. That's where we're at. So yes, Iran can hit New York. From Iran they have what it takes to hit New York tomorrow.But again, unfortunately, it why they're doing that we're training our military members here, with all the respect to everyone who has served this country I owe you my life, but the new generation of our military is, let me wake up in the morning and decide which bathroom I'm going to feel like using.That's how we're going to defend ourselves.
Tell us about, because you mentioned Israel, how does Israel fit into this?Because it seems as though the West are empowering nations that have been a threat to Israel, have been a threat to stability and peace in the Middle East.And Israel being, I guess, the big dog with the military power and the economic power have held that peace in the Middle East.But with a stronger round, one focus you have on the threat against the US, but as you touched on, it's the threat against Israel.I mean, as you've watched that happen, what are your thoughts on how that actually could affect that stability?Well, I wouldn't agree that Israel has, you know, helped the peace in Middle East. The reason I wouldn't agree as for example, you know on a bias note, September of last year. There's an uprising by November. There's a full-on revolution in Iran and everybody knows for a fact, there are more than enough Assad members in Tehran by itself, that could have just given the very last hope to Iranian people which is weapons and fighters to overthrow the regime.That didn't happen. When Netanyahu was back in office, he released a video making promise that he's with the people of Iran.Well, we appreciate the words, Bibi, but are you actually gonna do something? No.You're just gonna release more videos just like Biden regime did, and all the RINO members of our government here, we are with the people of Iran, but then tomorrow we're gonna release $8 billion frozen assets, so the regime can have more weapons to shoot and kill people on the streets of Tehran. So on that note I don't see necessarily as right holding the peace, but I do believe Israel is, playing mid-ground with all parties involved. Do I know the politics behind it? No. Do I know why they're doing it? Absolutely not. Well, I do but I'd rather not mention that yet on air. But the point is, if Israel would take control of their own country, their own military, their own people, and stop listening to America, for example, Middle East could be in absolute peace.Because the only thing it takes for Middle East to come to absolute peace, it might even modernize itself, because it has a smart people, rich culture, almost 3,000 years of music.All it takes is to remove the mullahs from Iran, and Israel has what it takes to do that.They haven't done it yet.So I can't give you a better answer than I really pray that Netanyahu comes to who he was seven, eight years ago, takes control, and instead of just making a bunch of threats, take action.People of Iran, inside Iran and outside of Iran, we have made it very clear we will appreciate either Israel or America to step in and set us free.So it's not like they're worried about Iran turning into Iraq or Afghanistan.Iran is neither of those. Iran is not Syria.Iran is a very rich country by nature, and people of Iran are standing by, asking for foreign help right now.All it takes is for one of these countries to actually answer the call, and then you can watch peace flow all over Middle East.
I guess it's a chance for Benjamin Netanyahu to actually put his foot down because he has been on the political scene for so long in Israel, regained power.He's not going to be leader of Israel forever. He's not going to lose and win another election.Therefore it's his chance to stamp his authority.
Let me mention one more thing just in case if we move on from this.Recently, a historic day took place in Israel. The crown prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, made a visit to Israel.After 44 years, the son of the last king of Iran made a visit to Israel as an official prince of Iran.He reached out and he announced that if we receive any support for him to gain power back in Iran, they can count on Iran to become their ally once again.We have gone that far to give Netanyahu all the approval he would ask, including the current prince who has 90% of Iranian people's vote to come back, and he has never been de-crowned.So technically he is our crowned prince. You made a visit two weeks ago and pretty much said, you can count on us to become your ally once again, if you help us take the country back.
Going on specifically to Islam itself, we touched on the geopolitics, but Islam itself, we are seeing, and we probably touched on this when we spoke a year ago, but a rise certainly within Europe and in many of our metropolitan areas with Brussels being what 30 percent Islamic, Paris being probably 15 to 18 percent, London being about 15 percent.And a big growth, massive demographic changes. Certainly in the UK we've seen Islam growing at ten times the speed than the national general population. Do you want to give us thoughts on in the US what it is like because it doesn't seem to be such a threat in the US and then of course the fear is the lawmakers sit back and think actually this is maybe a European problem but isn't a US problem? 
Oh it's most definitely a US problem. The reason you see it as more threat in Europe is because none of the European countries have our constitution.Therefore, if one person, for example, criticizes Islam or shows a picture of Mohammed, there will be a massive backlash and it will be reported. Whereas in America, due to our constitution and what's left of our freedoms to practice, we get to do more of pushback, and it doesn't seem as chaotic as Europe.However, as I said, if you think about the number, so supposedly 1.2% of American population are Muslim. 1.2, right?That's very tiny, but they have 218 representatives all across the country.Does that look like a minority to you? No, it doesn't.So when it comes to America, you've got to look at the crisis a little differently.For example, we have situations in America where you have the school district in Michigan forcefully feeding every single kid at school halal meat.No one has pushed back because they don't want to be Islamophobic, right?So they're allowing their kid to eat the halal meat, which is okay.No, not okay. I actually really hate the taste of halal meat.It is dry because they dried meat.But the problem is when they're paying for their kids' food, they're also funding jihad because part of the halal meat requires Islamic taxes. Where does Islamic tax go?Part of it goes to jihad.So these are the little small tiny ways that we're facing issues here.But as I said, because of Biden regime, because of economy, because of fake crisis of Second Amendment, you barely notice it, but they have grown a lot more in America during the evacuation of Afghanistan, as I covered, more than 65,000 Afghans were lifted, brought to America.We don't know who they are. We don't know where they are because at some point we just opened all the gates of all the military bases.We're like, welcome to America. Get out there.Later on, almost 100 of them ended up having ties to Islamic terror.Recently at the border were, you know, arresting Islamic soldiers coming in.So it's just a bigger country, I guess, with a bigger population, with a lot of more freedoms for us to fight back.But the crisis here is, if not worse, just as bad as Europe.And is it just in pockets or across? Because obviously in Michigan it has a large Muslim population, other places as pockets. I mean, is it an issue just in terms of states or should it be one that lawmakers across the country take it seriously?
It is not per state because right now across America, every single state does have mosques.I don't mean a mosque, mosques. Depending on the size of the state. Some states are further conquered but every state is having the issues of Islamization and when you have Congress, again going back to your Ilhan Omars pressure on anti-islamophobia bill that is a federal law. That's just right. You make happen, That means the entire country needs to pay attention.You might have less Muslim here and more Muslim over there, whatever the case might be.But when they're pushing for federal laws against our freedoms to protect Muslims, then it is a nationwide problem.
What's the, we've seen very few politicians across Europe being vocal.Those who have been vocal live under armed guard. And I guess that's a warning. Are there politicians in the US that are vocal and see this as a legitimate threat to US freedoms?As that right now? No. No.We don't have I can't think of anyone who is vocal about the problem, I mean there there was a time when they would at least say, you know radical Islam, but they don't even say that anymore, right now, and now you need to keep in mind. I don't necessarily think they're not talking about it, because they don't want to talk about it is that the division in our government has never been as bad as it is today. There was a time when it was a party line, you know Democrats versus Republicans Now you have so many divisions you got the socialist liberals and then you have the progressive liberals and then you have the Democrats, you have the traditional Democrats and then you have the conservatives and you have the RINOS, you have the far right, you have the Republic, there is just too much chaos for anyone to pay attention to well, we should talk about Islam issues in America. Yeah, it's just, Unfortunately, they the attack from within has been successful enough that, you know, they're just letting it be. I personally, when I had, Congressman Jim Jordan on my program. I did bring up the Iran deal with him and he did the best he could to respond to you know, what are you gonna do about it part? But with every topic we talked about it wasn't it didn't seem as anyone is concerned including Jim Jordan about the Islamic attack or the Islamic issue everybody was worried about, you know.And to an extent, I understand, you know, Hunter Biden's laptop and Biden family crimes and, you know, China and COVID and vaccine and all that. But again, unfortunately, as we said at the beginning of this program, nobody's realizing that the less you pay attention to the green part, the stronger the green part will come to you.
And I guess maybe to finish off with an institution which you'd expect to speak up is the Church.And we have certainly seen a silence and a fear of the Church in the UK.I don't know whether the Church really exists in any strong shape across the rest of Europe.What's it like in America? Is the church vocal against that clash that Islam brings, which is anti-Christian in everything, but also anti-freedom. Or is there silence and fear?I would take silence and fear over what they really do. More and more churches are actually joining the interfaith dialogue in America.More and more churches are sending their people to mosques to listen to imams preach Islam.More and more churches are coming to accept that Jesus in the Quran is our Jesus.So they're actually selling us to Islam. Some of them very well at birth, some of them based on being not educated on the topic of Islam, listening to the imams, believing their taqiyya and actually thinking we can coexist.I mean, the biggest growing Christ-lam movement is in the United States of America and Canada.For those of your audience who may not know what Christ-lam is, Christ-lam is basically believing the Jesus of Islam and claiming to be a Christian.Be a Christian who believes Mohammed was the last messenger and Jesus was not but a messenger who came to spread Islam.That's Christ-lam.
And there's very, there's, we are, I guess we're seeing similar, I don't know where in the UK, it's simply because churches are afraid and don't want controversy and simply want to exist, or whether they actually believe that. It's a curious mix that we are seeing in the UK.That's the thing, I think it is, I don't think all of them know what they're getting themselves into. I do believe some of them are flat-out receiving the payment and going along with the game, some of them might be afraid and that was one of my biggest argument. I was turned away from a church, based on my activities. I was rejected as a Christian because as a Christian I am not to judge, nor am I to you know, say the things I say about other people. And what I did tell that person who was turning me around I said It's okay. You can question my faith. That is your right, but I want you to know as a leader, as a Religious leader I Can tell you this much as a pastor.You do not have the right to not defend your faith in order to stay alive. So if you want to judge me go in the mirror and judge yourself first, You're to be killed, if need to be, while leading your people through the right path.What you're doing out of fear, when you tell me, I don't need the drama that comes with you to my church, you're telling me that you're afraid of their threat.So a lot of people do that. 
Anni, I appreciate your input on this. It's a massive subject and I know our viewers and listeners will benefit massively from your overview on the geopolitical side but also on Islam as a separate entity and ideology. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing today.
Absolutely, my pleasure. Thank you, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Gareth Icke

To match the hot weather we are seeing in England this weekend we bring you a scorcher of a show as Gareth Icke returns to put the world to rights!So join us for an hour of news driven chat, opinion and discussion as Gareth gives his unbridled thoughts on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and on social media.Under the microscope this episode....- Boris Johnson sensationally QUITS as an MP after Partygate probe.- Gender Dysphoria: Children are being seriously harmed.- Killer migrant who served only 2 years for killing a pensioner takes the piss out of the UK.- The European Commission and WHO launch landmark digital health initiative.- Pay with your palm? No thanks.- Pride Month: LGBTQ+BS in school curriculum and lessons from Prophet Muhammad.- "I'm a pregnant man and I do exist"- Universal Basic Income being trialled. - Ukrainian Bollywood Propaganda.
Gareth Icke is an activist, a singer/songwriter, an author, a former international beach soccer player, the presenter of ‘Right Now’, an uncensored current affairs show on the Ickonic Network and is also the son of the legendary truth warrior David Icke.He has been attending protests and rallies since he was a small boy and he's worked tirelessly in the movement for truth and continues to do so through docu-series, films, books, podcasts, rallies, speaking engagements and much more.Gareth's weekly show, 'Right Now', goes out every Friday at 7pm on ickonic.com.It gives guests from all over the world a chance to say their bit, covering a huge range of subjects that the mainstream doesn’t want you to hear about.
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James Lindsay - The Neo-Marxist Cultural Revolution Engulfing the West

This episode we are excited to welcome James Lindsay, a bestselling author who has spoken and written extensively against the woke onslaught.   His recent speech in the European Parliament looking at the Neo-Marxist Cultural Revolution that is engulfing us all has really gone viral. In this interview James looks at the Marxist thread that runs through Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory and we end by looking at his latest book "The Marxification of Education".
James Lindsay is a professional troublemaker, mathematician, author, internationally recognized speaker and the founder and president of New Discourses. James is a leading expert on Critical Race Theory and is best known for his relentless criticism of "Woke" ideology, the now-famous Grievance Studies Affair, and his bestselling books including Race Marxism and Cynical Theories, which has been translated into over a dozen languages. In addition to writing and speaking, he is the voice of the New Discourses Podcast and has been a guest on prominent media outlets including The Joe Rogan Experience, Glenn Beck, Fox News, and NPR.
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with James Lindsay.Of course, the founder and president of New Discourses, and I was delighted to get him on after seeing him at a number of conferences over stateside.And it was his recent speech in the European Parliament, which really intrigued me.I know that has really gone viral.And I think the title was the Neo-Marxist Cultural Revolution Engulfing the West, now known as WOKE.What a title, what a topic to bring to the European Parliament. So he discusses the kind of response on that and how a lot of the battle lines that we are on, theCritical Race Theory and also the Queer Theory, how those fit under that socialist Marxist umbrella. He unpacks that and then we end up on education. He's just written a book, the end of last year, on the Marxification of education. We have no time to get into the topic, but I just wanted to get his thoughts on why he'd put pen to paper on a book specifically focused on education. So much packed in. I, know you'll have followed James for a long time. I know you'll enjoy listening to his thoughts on speaking in the European Parliament on such a topic and unpacking some of those other issues. 
And hello Hearts of Oak. Today it is wonderful to have a best-selling author with us of many titles. We'll refer to some of them, The Marxification of Education and Race Marxism, The Truth About Critical Race Theory, amongst many others. An internationally recognized speaker, the privilege of hearing him first at the American Freedom Alliance conference back in June last year, and the founder and president of New Discourses, and that is James Lindsay. James, thank you so much for your time today.
(James Lindsay)
Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank you.It's great to have you and your handle there @ConceptualJames on Twitter, Gab, Truth, GETTR, and newdiscourses.com is the website. People can find everything there.Before we start, James, could I just ask you to take a moment and introduce yourself before we get down to the issue?That's actually a hard thing to do. I'm a very kind of peculiar character, I think, and kind of the whole thing.But the long and short of it is that my academic training was in mathematics.I received a PhD in mathematics, or completed one, I suppose.They didn't give it to me. They don't give those away.But I earned a PhD in mathematics in 2010.I immediately left academia after finishing my doctorate. I became disillusioned with the course that it seemed to be on at the time.Then I just worked for myself at a small private enterprise for a number of years.To be academically engaged, I got involved with fighting with people online basically.This led to discovering the woke movement quite early on.This led to my participation in what was called the grievance studies affair, which I'm fairly well known for, which is where we wrote a large number of at fake academic articles for feminist journals in 2017 and 18 for whatever it's worth there's a new film that just came out telling the backstory with all of that a man named Michael Nayna put that out and it's called The Reformers, so you can find that on his substack, which I think it's michaelnayna.substack.com, The Reformers is the name of the film.John Cleese apparently saw it the other day and loved it, so that's a pretty ringing endorsement.From there, I went on to write, actually, Cynical Theories next, which is a book that did extremely well at getting some of this information into people's hands.It's actually hit somewhere around a quarter million sales, so a lot of people had a chance to encounter these ideas, which is the ultimate goal.And then I built New Discourses from there and I spent all my time researching, studying.Basically the woke movement and all of its kind of intellectual, intellectual is a generous word for them, antecedents and forebears.So I created New Discourses with the goal, it says all fancy on my website, shining the light of objective truth into subjective darkness.But the fact, that was my business partner's idea, honestly, the goal was I want to study woke and understand woke and expose woke and everything that's tied to it as fast as I can create and publish materials.And so that's what it's for. So it hosts mostly three different podcasts that I have in-house as well as articles that I write, videos that I do, and you can find links to the books that I've written, which which we tend to publish in-house because publishers are so slow and this is moving so fast. So anyway, that's me. I don't know how many books I've technically written now because some of them are blurry and they're, you know, things I've done with other people and some of them have been translated into a large number of languages.Those are the things that people care about. A lot of people know me because I've been on Joe Rogan's podcast three times also, which gets you kind of in the public eye a little bit.
Okay, well, it's that criticism of woke ideology that I saw two months ago. You were in the European Parliament. You delivered a short address at a conference there, Woke a Culture War Against Europe. How did that come about and kind of how was that received?
Well, they just reached out to me. Apparently the group there, which is a European-wide political party called Identity and Democracy or Identity Democracy Foundation, something like this.I don't quite know the organizational structure of these things. They invited me because they put together a three conference series to be held there at the European Parliament in Brussels and asked, they thought that I would be a perfect voice for the inaugural of the three, the first of the three. And so they invited me to come to Brussels and speak at the parliament.And so I gratefully accepted and went over and somehow or rather luckily delivered what I believe is given the fact of the significance of the room that I think I delivered my best public address I've ever delivered, which worked out pretty good because I could have bombed that sucker.And it was very good and very succinct. Part of it was that I realized the night before talking to another audience that there's a language barrier that kind of cuts across my humour, so I had to be very plain spoken. Maybe I should take notes on that and deliver more plain spoken addresses in the future. But it was received extremely well. Now, of course, the room was largely composed of MEPs that are of that party, so you would expect them to be interested in these ideas.It was also, there was a group there, the other speaker was Frank Ferretti, and a fairly well-known guy.And so his organization had a contingent there. And other than that, it was actually kind of timed to correspond with a youth conference for the ID Foundation.And so it was primarily a lot of people in their twenties, political interns and people interested in political party, young people. So most of the people were in their twenties, they were younger.And of course, their energy is really good, really, really a positive reception there.It came out online and they got a little bit of attention. And then for whatever reason, I don't know why a month later it went viral and it has just blown up everywhere. And the reception online has been extraordinarily positive. I'm sure that there are people who are very unhappy that that happened, but I haven't heard much from them. 
Well that group, the ID group, is a fantastic group, probably the best bulwark against what is happening in Europe, and I've watched them closely through all my involvement of politics over the many years. But could I ask you, what was it like going into the, I guess, the ruling chamber in Europe and helping them understand the danger of socialism, which many of them call themselves socialists. They really do believe the state knows better than the individual. What was like kind of going into that? Obviously the ID group are on side, but as a chamber, as a parliament, they're very much against anything that will shine the light on the evils of socialism. So what was that like, kind of explain to them the dangers of socialism? 
Well I mean it was surprisingly, again surprisingly positive, I thought it might be quite hostile. I thought there might be at least some people who would come by,you know, interested to see what people against their view might say.But I don't get the impression, or at least anybody who did stayed very professional and very polite.It was a very I mean, I don't want to say it's a very bureaucratic building because I don't know that I got that impression.But it's a very, very professional environment. So that wasn't, it wasn't like where I spoke at North-western University a month ago and got heckled and yelled at and protested the whole time or anything like that.The building itself was more interesting than my experience inside of it, I don't know if you visited Brussels and seen this but so walking around there's a... Brussels is, I'm sorry any Belgians watching is not the most beautiful city Down in the older part of the city the older the where the castles and things are that part is quite nice but over by the Parliament is, it's just kind of plain European city. It's not particularly beautiful. So but there's a little park there that's okay. And I found it striking that right outside the backside of the European Parliament building, there's a small grassy area with a number, maybe a dozen, maybe two dozen, somewhere in between statues in the grass. And what they are, when you look at them at first, you think, what are these? Are these aliens or something very peculiar?And you look closer, but no, they're ostriches with their heads buried in the ground, all of them. So it looks like a three-legged thing, but it's not. It's an ostrich with its head buried in the sand and there are you know dozens of these and I thought that's a weird installation to have, you know, on on site then you come around to the front to go into the to the actual Parliament building which you can't do without passes and a guide and all these things you can't just go in, but there's this statue right by the door that I found very striking and it's of this kind of very angry almost Soviet looking woman holding up a very sharp, angular, I'm trying to dig into the semiotics here like aggressive European and, you know, Euro-e.And she's standing triumphantly over a man that she seems to have conquered, who looks quite dejected and broken and so, you know, there's there's this weird vibe about the place, plus it's this weird building of steel and glass and an otherwise kind of fairly quaint European city, that just this kind of this glass. It's not the scary circular one that's in Spain or wherever that is. It's but this is, you know, intimidating steel and glass structure, that is just so out of character for the rest of the city.But as far as being inside the building, we went afterwards, after it was all people that were on site. And then after the talk, there was a little reception out in the hallway. And that was all, nobody bothered us.And then we went upstairs to do some interviews.And there was at the interview area with all the cameras, the media area, with the good lighting and all of that, There was another group, and I don't know who exactly they were, Renew Europe or something like this, I think is what it said, and they had a European Union flag with the stars.But instead of it being solid blue, that kind of deep blue that they use, it was rainbow.I think the stars might have not been in a circle, but might have been in a heart or something silly. So I asked them, and so obviously these people are not my people, so I asked them, I said, I love your flag, can I borrow it for a picture?And they were quite accommodating and they had a friendly chat with me and they don't know my views, but they were polite and professional as one would expect in a building of that sort.So I didn't find it's, I find more hostility going into American government buildings from Democrats here in the US than I experienced in the EU.But that might've just been stroke of luck or something like that.
Just before I move to the issues, how do you see it? Because as an American, there is a culture where there is a battle happening, and it is one side against the other.When you look at Europe, it's much more one-sided than it is in the US.In the US, we look across the water and see the battle amongst the side of truth as being positive, strong, having arguments and holding the line, where in Europe, even the good countries have been succumbed into that EU of hating themselves and of rewriting history and all of that.How do you see that as an American?
Well, I'll point out first, because I do agree with you generally, not the Flemish, the Flemish do not have that attitude.For certain and I found that I was spending quite a bit of time with it with Flemish men and women and some of the Italians do not have that attitude and they were very nice to spend time with, even a few Germans would they're very German, you know, everything must be according to the protocol, you know, very, I love Germans, but no, the fact is, what I see in Europe is that Europe is far more tipped to socialism, far more tipped to kind of this overarching, less accountable or even unaccountable governance.This bureaucracy that's beyond the reach of the people, and it knows better, and therefore, you know, it's going to deal with the people for them than we see here in America.But it's not nearly as woke and that was actually kind of the crux of this conference that they wanted to put together is yes, yes, we know we're very socialist and we know we're very far down that road, but whatever's happening in the Anglosphere, so the UK is actually heavily included in this, it's a very different animal than continental Europe, is very crazy.It's properly almost insane. There was no confusion that I ran into among virtually anybody, about what a man and a woman for example, and in the European context. But the idea that the taxpayer money would just be wasted on everything that they want to do is, you know, just kind of taken for granted. It's just something they say, of course, this is how things work. Of course, the taxes will be crazy. Of course, we'll waste money on flying a stupid American over here and giving him lots of beer or something like this, you know, to show him a good time in Belgium. So it's a very different attitude. Europe is very dangerously tipped toward favourability toward socialism, but it's still repelling, and that was really again the crux of the conference, it's still repelling the very almost antinomian, insane, woke kind of, whether it's race, race politics is actually the most relevant. The sex and gender politics, people are a little bit naturally repellent to that still, but I don't think that that can last if they open the doors. So my goal was to warn Europe, like, yeah, you guys are already pretty well screwed up with socialism and maybe, you know, talking to the Flemish, maybe you can turn some of this around or do something with it in the future, but you do not know your danger if you think that you can kind of just not be proactive in keeping the woke ideology out.Yeah. You end, I don't know if it was actually the end or in the middle, telling them that according to Marx, socialism was not economic but religious in essence. Do you want to just kind of unpack that and is that why we are having this difficulty because it is religious in nature?Well Marx made it, he tried to make it look very much like it was economic. But if you read his earlier works, which sort of set the foundation and you catch the flavour of it throughout his as later works, Marx was very invested in this idea of understanding the world and man at a fundamental level. What is man? Who is man? And to answer these deep fundamental questions, and what does it require of man to do this? And so I actually think that he's more of a theologian in a kind of an anti-theology way. He's casting down God and replacing God with not man, but man enlightened to the secret truth of reality, which is that man is a social animal, a perfectly social being that lives not for himself but for the species when he's properly awakened to who he is.My contention is that if you take that as a fundamental substrate so that then it separates the world into the people who have access to power and the people who do not have access to power, then that they're intrinsically in conflict so that the underclass has to to awaken to its nature's true historical agents of change and seize the means of production, that the means of production are, in a sense, fungible.You can change them out.But the idea is that what are you producing? And everybody thinks it's, oh, it's economics.You're producing in the factory with goods and services. You're producing in the field with food and agricultural goods, and that's the hammer and the sickle, obviously.But no, you're producing man.You're producing man as who he's meant to be, which that's a fundamentally theological project, not a fundamentally economic project.And Marx believed that economic conditions to determine who man is.But if you were to say, well, it doesn't work, obviously in Britain and obviously in the United States and in Canada, economic conditions were not successful at agitating people into the historical class consciousness as change agents of history. But if you say that race or sex or gender or sexuality or whatever, those are actually the determinants. When you have material comfort.When you have, as some of the Marxists in the 20th century put it, an advanced capitalism that delivers the goods and allows people to build a good life, you are not going to get them on economic conditions. Economic conditions are not determinant of who they are. They are, but on a deeper level that they don't perceive. This is the thesis of Marcuse's one-dimensional man. You've been made one-dimensional. You can't even perceive the fact that economic conditions are relevant to your life. So instead, you have to come where it matters, which is in personal identity. If you're comfortable, where do you turn? You turn to yourself and you think about your identity and who you are in the world. And so identity politics became the weapon that allowed to subdue the West. So if you take out economic conditions as the producer of man, where the means of production have to be seized and you put in cultural issues around race or what it means to be a certain sexuality or what it means to be man or woman in terms of sex itself and gender, then you can just kind of get these other dimensions, whether it's critical race theory or queer theory or feminism as a kind of a Marxist flavour of feminism or within what they call critical pedagogy in education. It's who gets to be a knower and who doesn't. So being considered knowledgeable becomes a form of social property that has to be challenged by the people who are excluded from it by the existing knowing system.Listen to the way the woke talk. It's all about other ways of knowing and knowing systems and all of this. That's where this comes from. But it's the same fundamental architecture. It's, you have this theology of man, or maybe I think the technical word is an Anthroposophist, I can't even say it, anthrosophist, something. Anthro for man, sophi for, you know, sophistry.Sophistry of mankind.Somebody else can say it for me. I can write it.Type it out on the screen for you, but it's technically that, but you have this theology that has at its heart the idea that man is producing himself by some mechanism, and that mechanism can be seized by the underclass of its dynamic and taken over to transform what man and society is.And every one of their theories just, once you understand it that way, every one of their theories just falls out.So you can start making very keen guesses on what's going to happen as this progresses and develops.Here's one, I think I mentioned this in the EU, and I think it's very pertinent for the both European but also the UK context.So if you'll forgive me, just for simplicity, I'm going to consider the UK part of Europe.I know, we can't do that, but I don't want to have to say UK and Europe over and over again.So the broadly European, maybe I'll use broadly European context, that side of the Atlantic context, what you actually have, you guys live in, there is actually a text you can read.If you want to figure out what's happening in Europe, you read Douglas Murray's, The Strange Death of Europe.There is a single text, it's not that long, that you can read to fully understand whose Europe you live in, and it's John Paul Sartre's Europe.He wrote the foreword to Franz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth, so you're not going to go find one of Sartre's books.You're going to go get Wretched of the Earth, which is by Franz Fanon, who was a post-colonialist in the 50s and 60s in France.You're going to go get his book. And then he is from, I always get it wrong, Martinique. He'sfrom Martinique. And so he was in this kind of colonized condition, but also a French psycho analyst. And so that forward though has a very important part. The book is all about, the colonial condition. So who's a native and who's a settler. And now you have that same dynamic, that same mentality, the same exact structure of how it creates who you are as a person.And Fanon argues that violence is the only way to overcome the colonized condition.And Sartre writes in the foreword to this that Europe, he has a letter to Europe, and he's like, Europe, you better listen. The payment for colonization is coming.And this is in the 60s. What you need to do, early 60s, you need to do is you need to decide, are they gonna get it by violence or are you going to propitiate yourself and give it away and hope that the violence doesn't come?And he urges Europe to start giving away their society to their former colonies.When they come and make a claim on your society, give it to them.Maybe they won't be violent. Maybe they'll spare you.So in the kind of very Trumpian, I see a Trump hat behind you, so very Trumpian kind of slang language of the 2020s, go ahead Europe and cuck yourself before the people who you previously colonized, give your societies away to them or else there'll be blood, is the message.And that is literally the message that Europe adopted. So while you haven't in Europe broadly construed, although the UK has taken up with quite a bit of woke. Scotland is, in Ireland or Scotland especially, is particularly bad. You guys have taken up quite a lot of this, but the element of the broad woke pantheon of powered gods or whatever that really strikes hardest is this post-colonial status, which has allowed you or made it so that not only have you guys opened your borders utterly, but that the entire social welfare state that you guys have built up around your socialist sensibilities pours into this yawning black hole of need. And the reason is discoverable in a French existentialist Marxistswailing about a post-colonialist saying that there must be blood to pay for colonization, which is a very obviously you're not allowed to even say these things, but a very one-sided understanding of, the impacts of colonialism. Yes, bad, but also you're not even allowed to mention that yes, good, too. It was a mixed bag brought through brutality and much injustice for certain, but at the same time time. Ethiopia famously is the least or the only completely uncolonized, if I remember right, country in that area of Africa. And they're also the ones that have been struggling the most and the most backwards in many regards for so long. They were the Somalia and Ethiopia where when I grew up as a kid, it was, you know, the starving kids in Ethiopia, eat your peas because the starving kids in Ethiopia don't have any, you know, they were the, they the poster child of backwards and broken. Maybe that was a meme that's not true, I don't know, anyway, Europe has that on its plate, and I think that's comprehensible. I actually think the strange death of Europe is utterly comprehensible out of the foreword that, Sartre wrote. If you read any of Sartre, who the hell wants to live in his world?What a nightmare. Well, you do, and what a nightmare.
Tell us, because you mentioned colonialism, that's one of the battle lines, the critical race theory is one of the battle lines, you talked about that and how that fits under socialism.I know it was last year you published Race Marxism, the truth about critical race theory and people can get that.The links will be in the description for them to get hold of that and to go deeper into it. But how does critical race theory fit under the umbrella of socialism or Marxism?
Well, it's a redistribution of cultural capital that ties into actually redistributing material capital.So the idea is that there's this form of cultural property that white people erected for themselves during the colonial eras, particularly to justify colonialism and to justify slavery in the 17th century, primarily 16th and 17th centuries, going some into the 18th century.And falling apart in the 19th century. So this idea of whiteness as a cult form of cultural property that generates white supremacy and racial superiority and even racial identification was created by white people to enshrine their own power and to impose, racial identity and inferiority, social and cultural and even economic inferiority on others.So-called people of colour, but particularly blacks and critical race theory builds out completely from this.And the goal then is to seize the means of cultural production around the ideas of what it means to be a member of a certain race.And it's actually a very interesting theory because it's still, unlike some of these other woke theories which seem just off in the air, it's got one foot very firmly still rooted in material reality.It's in a sense a lot more, not explicitly Marxist, but much more critical and materialist.And if you read their early writings, in fact, if you read virtually all of their writings through the 1990s, and I expect, so 70s through the 90s, and I expect we're gonna see another rash of this writing coming now, given what's happening in the United States Supreme Court.It's a very American theory, by the way. It doesn't really fit in other contexts, and Europeans have noticed, as have Brits.Like, we didn't do this, what are you talking about? But the fact is what it's really centered around is seizing the means of affirmative action, is what it's ultimately about. And I don't say that to be cheeky. If you read their books, affirmative action is brought up as a core and key issuehundreds of times. It's not mentioned kind of tangentially here or there, it is a central issue that comes up again and again. And their goal is that they're seeing affirmative action gaining public disfavour through the, say, the 80s. They see, you know, the Supreme Court starting to say, well, maybe it needs a time limit. And they explicitly say, no, it doesn't need a time limit. Not only do we need to maintain it, we need to expand it. It needs to be bigger and more and more and more. So it's like it's very materialistic, seize the means of opportunity redistribution, I guess, in material resources. This is where the reparations conversations come in. And so it takes the entire architecture of literally of Marxism, infuses it with the later critical theory, and then recentres it in race. And in fact, you can find authors like Gloria Ladson Billings is a famous critical race theorist. In the 90s, she writes a paper called Toward a Critical Race Theory of Education. And what she says is in that paper, and I can't quote it from memory anymore, I used to do it a lot, but she says that, the point of critical race theory is to make race the central variable for understanding all inequality. So is where a classical Marxist would say that access to capital is the central concern that determines all inequality, and that's the production of man for critical race theorists, is that race actually supersedes that. And there's a wonderful book explaining all this that I thought was extremely clarifying and elucidating. It's one of the better books that I've read.It's by a former philosopher of race. I've been told I'm not allowed to call him a critical race theorist, technically. His name's Charles Mills, very famous guy. He wrote a book called The Racial Contract, which takes Rousseau's social contract and turns it into a racial phenomenon. But he also wrote a book called From Class to Race, where he explains how he moved from being a classical Marxist to a critical race philosopher. And he argues that he became convinced that at least in the American context, when we understand what Marx was really saying, what he really meant by ideology, what he really meant by social structures, superstructure, infrastructure, the base, and how they interact to create a structure of society, that race is by far the more relevant variable in American society, in American history. So he moves from, it's a book about his own philosophical journey, From Class to Race. And it's the title of the book, From Class to Race, by Charles Mills. It's a staggeringly interesting book. The first chapter was so eye-opening to understand Marx. It's one of the top three most important things I've read to understand Marx.And he's got a very heterodox view, according to Marxist standards. So people criticize my view of Marx, as I've largely derived it from Charles Mills, who's a Marxist, just a fairly heterodox one. He's late Charles Mills to be clear. I don't know if I mentioned he died a few years ago.But that's, in a nutshell, what critical race theory is. Rather than capital being the special form of private property that basically appropriates every deterministic thing in society, including who you are as a person, race becomes, whiteness in fact, becomes the central piece of private property.This is based off of a paper explicitly called Whiteness as Property, written by Cheryl Harris, a famous critical race theorist, in 1993.I think, they're always in really big ones, I think that one's Harvard Law Review. It might be Cornell Law Review. I have to always kind of look up and check where it was published, but it's one of these very big universities law review.And it's a very, it's like 93 pages. It's a very long article arguing that whiteness functions in parallel to the way that Marx lays out capital as a form of bourgeois private property. She even uses the phrase bourgeois property a few times in the paper, that the white people have set themselves up as a racial bourgeoisie and everything just kind of follows from there.And so critical race theory becomes this, that's why I titled the book Race Marxism, as a matter of fact, this Marxist theory of race. It latches onto that post-colonial, just for you broadly UK, European context folks, it latches onto that because there are often racial components to colonialism. I mean, if you've colonized Africa, most of the people you've colonized happen to be black. If you've colonized Asia, most of the people you've colonized happen to be Asian.So you can understand why they would attach these arguments about whiteness and race back through, and that's kind of the back door there in the UK-European context, is that they're using the colonial context and then saying, well, the real reason for all this was racial, where it's not, it's straight up, it's directly, openly, unabashedly, historically, imperial.It's the British empire was proudly an empire.The Spanish empire was proudly an empire. You know, their goal up until World War II, I think every European country threw on its hat to try to conquer the world of its empire.And then finally we realized with nuclear weapons and machine guns and jet airplanes and things like that, carpet bombing, maybe that's not good anymore.Maybe military colonization is not a functional approach for a humanity that wants to survive, into the 21st century.
Well, can I, then another battlefront, and you raised this so that you didn't really go into it in the speech, is queer theory.And I think that's where we have more of a battleground in Europe.Critical race theory seems to be less an issue, certainly in our education system, where it is queer theory, and of course, we're celebrating the holy month of pride this month.But tell us, how does that- How does that- 
The power be upon us.
And how does that fit under socialism queer theory?
Yeah, well, it's the same model. So if we understand this concept that there's economic conditions blah blah blah and you get all of Marxism that falls out from the Marxist kind of axioms, and then you say well if we consider economic production to be fungible for racial production as a cultural property, then you get critical race theory Well, if we consider both of those again to be fungible and we pull out that and we say well there's a certain class in society that have designated themselves by virtue of their larger numbers by virtue of having been successful and put themselves in positions of power, but they've declared themselves normal.And other people outside of that are not normal, or they're abnormal, or they're aberrant, or they're perverts, or they're queer, queer against normal, and the kind of even old meaning of the word, then queer theory falls out in your lap.It's just that simple. But this is a very scary phenomenon, whereas critical race theory at its very bottom has, and Marxism both at their very bottom, have a blatant visible grift involved.We're going to seize the means of production. We're going to establish a permanent and stronger and increasing, accelerating affirmative action regime.These are very blatant grifts. We're going to take resources and power for ourselves as an identifiable group of people or whatever.With the queer theory, it's a very different thing. They're looking at the cultural production, it is largely sex, gender, and sexuality, but it can apply to anything. Fat studies emerged mostly in the UK, as it turns out.So did the study of ability, what's called the social model of disability, is from a a man named Michael Oliver, who was a Brit.I don't remember where, if he was London or where, but they actually use the same underlying architecture and engine as queer theory. So now instead of it being about sex or gender or sexuality, it's about your body weight, your health status, your ability status as a very awkward politically correct term we use to not say handicapped or whatever.
Well, in America, is fatness now a designated characteristic in New York?I don't know how that's going to work, but yeah. 
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've been I noticed in December that I had some fatness going on. So I, believe, get this I started eating less and moving more and the fatness started to go away. It's incredible 
Revolutionary 
Yeah, I know you guys use fake measurements like kilos or stones or whatever that nobody knows what they are, I think I lost like I'll do it in stones. I think I lost 1.6 stone If I'm making up numbers correctly, whatever that works out to is 28 pounds.Maybe you could get repatriations for the time you were over with at all. I don't know could be 
I hope so but the idea with queer theory is anything that kind of the broad consensus of society considers normal is, illegitimately determined so that certain people get to have power. So what they're trying to do is seize the means of production of of normalcy, what people consider within the boundaries of normal or normative or even healthy or good behaviour, presentation, being, society.And that's very dangerous because unlike the other ones, see, critical race theory has to at the end of the day maintain its grift, right? Marxism at the end of the day has to maintain its grift.Queer theory, the second is let's say that they get LGBT or just LGB, they get gay acceptance, gay marriage, gay equality, gay everything, full civil rights movement that succeeds.I actually think that that's separate, by the way, the civil rights movement was more of a broadly liberal phenomenon, and I think it was separate from this very radical phenomenon.And there's a much historical and theoretical reason to accept that I know what I'm talking about with that claim, but you get broad LGBT acceptance in society, full equality in society, etc., and that becomes a new norm. Immediately you have to attack the new norm, and they actually have names for this. They have words. Homo-normativity. You've heard of heteronormativity that has to be combated. Homo-normativity has to be combated, and homo-normativity means the the broad acceptance of homosexual people in society, that's a problem because it actually prevents them from being radicalizable.Anything that would cause somebody to become a stable functioning member of society within the boundaries of normal has to be attacked. So every inch of ground queer theory takes, it has to turn around and wage war on its previous success to take it even further.They have to constantly, they call it queering. They have to constantly say, well, if you actually look at the people who designated that they're normal, a lot of them are perverts and private.So are they really normal? Or are they just repressed and have to keep their perversion in the closet?And that's just like other people being in the closet and they blur out all these contexts.But it's a war against normalcy. It's a war against norms.It's a war against decency and expectations of decency.It's also a war against any boundaries. The boundaries, you could say that, maybe it's artificial, the boundaries between heterosexual versus homosexual.But at some point, we're not talking about artificial boundaries, the paedophilia, bestiality, these kinds of very perverse things.The boundaries between what in the slang terms get called vanilla and kink.There's some kind of boundary.They say that these things are all actually, there is no boundary.There's no meaningful boundary and their goal is to dissolve those.So what ultimately happens is, queer theory is like a universal solvent.It's an acid that will dissolve anything. And anything that you try to put as a container around it, it necessarily has to dissolve that too.They even have, I thought there was just one, I looked it up, There are many papers that have some variation of queering queer theory as their title in their queer literature, Because queer theory itself had become too normative. So they have to queer that they have to make it even weirder less normative, and so it's uh it's socialist though in the sense that it's trying to seize the means of production and redistribute shares of social acceptance and opportunity, according to whether or not you're considered normal. Phrases like bring your whole self to work are very queer. Like, no, do not bring it. Leave most of yourself at home, as a matter of fact, is actually what we call professionalism. And that they would say that that's restrictive of people who say want to wear fetish gear to the office, kind of like we have in our White House happening right now. Kind of very visibly what we have. There's military officials wearing literally pup fetish, we had this bizarre character in charge of our nuclear waste and other things who was stealing women's clothing from airports and he's been arrested now three times for this.And it turns out he's a member of this troop that's now controversially the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in Los Angeles that is doing the very antinomian religious provocation at Dodger Stadium that's all in the news.He's not a current member, he was a former member Sam Brinton is this character's name, you know, bald, shiny head, looks like an alien, has a moustache dressed in a fabulous gown he stole from some woman of colour immigrant who built it, that you know herself.Very bizarre, but queer theory is well, who's this? There's an old sketch on Saturday Night Live. I encourage people to look this up It's it's the character's name is sex ed. So it's sex ed Vincent. His name is Ed Vincent. He's a sex educator Everybody should look this up This is the perfect expression of queer theory and actually post-modernism where he's describing very bizarre fetishes as a joke, right?It's very funny and he's obviously very nerdy weird guy, but then it's his tagline is, is that weird? well who's to say, and he's teaching like a class, is that weird? and everybody says like who's to say, that's the ultimate idea of queer theories is that outside of the boundaries of normal?Well who gets to say that obviously people who set themselves up that way so we're gonna redistribute who has the power to determine what is and is not normal including drag queens in front of children and you know, provocative displays pride parades as a parade for for civil rights or even to celebrate the fact that for many years homosexuals were very oppressed in society, often viciously oppressed in society a pride parade that would just march and you know wave flags or whatever for a day, as it used to be would be one thing. This isn't what happens at all this thing is this crazy celebration that sprawls now across not just a month with a season. The entire public square turns into a rainbow for for upwards of 60 days and beyond.It's you know, there are fetishists running around enticing children and doing crazy things. It's really turned into something like a much grosser version of carnival, and it's, their fundamental view is well, is that out of bounds?Well, it's illegitimate if anybody but us decide, every individual should get to decide for themselves what's publicly out of bounds. So this is, literally like it to some very Jordan Peterson issues. It's the chaos monster right or the chaos dragon It's Tiamat being released on society that will ultimately tear it apart.Just to finish off, your latest book published in December was an education, The Marxification of Education, Paolo Ferrer's critical Marxism and the Theft of Education. We have no time to go into the topic at all, it is there, links are all there for the viewers and listeners, but could I just ask you as we finish, why you wanted to write a book specifically on education.
Well I got sucked into it. I was gonna, I knew it was important and nobody was covering what's called Critical Pedagogy, the Critical Theory of Education.So I read a couple of books on it, got a little informed. I thought I would do a flyby, and just, you know, a reconnaissance flyby, give some people some pictures.And it turns out it was like trying to do a flyby of Jupiter, I just got sucked into the gravity and stuck.It's just a huge universe, and it's so complicated.But I wrote the book particularly, I call it, you know, The Theft of Education, because I kept encountering parents who were saying, they're telling me they're not doing this in our school, but I know they're doing it in our school, I experience it with my children.What's going on? And so I had read enough to understand the magic trick, how they've stolen education, what the mechanism is.And it actually is the same trick I've described. We don't have to go into the nitty gritties, but they've set up who gets to be constituted as a knower.Who does society recognize as a knowledgeable person versus somebody who's recognized as ignorant or outside of that.And they've created a Marxist seize the means of production program, where Paolo Ferrari did out of that.And then he created a mechanism in education where you use the academic material as an excuse to have political conversations.So that's how they do it.They don't technically teach critical race theory. They show a math problem and use it as an excuse to have a discussion about racial injustice and do this over and over and over again.Informed by critical race theory would be more accurate than teaching critical race theory.And so I wanted to pull back the veil on how that happens and what's really going on and that this is actually a cult brainwashing program.And the book has been very helpful to parents across at least the United States in that regard.It's being translated into Portuguese now, so we'll see what happens with that.Well, James, I appreciate you coming on. The issue of woke is, I think, the issue in whether society and cultures will survive or collapse, how you respond to them.So I appreciate you coming on and sharing your insights on those.
Yeah, well, I'm very glad to talk to you, very glad to get to spread the word.I think the European context has an interesting opportunity.UK is a little bit harder.You've already taken in a lot.But Europe has actually a chance, the ID group being that we mentioned before, being a great bulwark to stand up to this particular, very toxic aspect that will, as you can see, and whether it's the UK or Australia or Canada or the United States, that will rip a society apart if you let it in.
Yeah, we're seeing that happen. And you mentioned in Brussels, their issue is immigration. 30% Islamic. 
That clash between separate ideas of what culture should be and what freedom should be is why I would never want to live in Brussels. So, sorry. 
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you the truth just quickly that this whole, if we look at Marx as a theologian philosopher-ish kind of character, A lot of his model, he says he inverted it, but he derived it from Georg Hegel preceding him.And Hegel's belief, and Marx definitely adopted this part, was that history is this inexorable force, almost like a deity itself that has a trajectory and a purpose and a defined endpoint.And the key part is that it moves through conflict. And if you understand nothing else about everything we've just talked about, that the people that think this way, that have adopted this worldview, understand that they move history to a desired endpoint through generating conflict.You don't have to get into the granular details of how until later. You can understand many of these decisions. Why are you pulling in 30% of your population now is going to be a different religion with a different culture, and then you take tremendous care of them and inflame these tensions across the divide and cause these conflicts, because conflict moves history. In other words, truly their view, religiously speaking for Hegel explicitly, is that the conflict working itself out through history actually finishes or actualizes God. So God doesn't become God until the conflicts have all played out, so they have to generate the conflicts to create the finalized deity, at which point everything will be perfect at the so-called end of history with the people that live in it called the last man. 
Yeah. Well, we'll finish, James. The viewers and listeners @ConceptualJames on GETTR, Gab, Truth, Minds, wherever your preferred social media platform is, you'll find James on it, and of course newdiscourses.com. So thank you so much once again for your time, James. 
Yeah, thank you.

Edward Dowd - Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths

We are now witnessing the slow emergence of truth through our media. After ignoring vaccine injuries for the whole jab rollout, our newspapers are now reporting excess deaths but inexplicably refusing to link it to the jab. Edward Dowd returns to Hearts of Oak and he has written the most comprehensive book looking at excess deaths in 2021 and 2022. With his team he has brought his analytical expertise which made him a force in the financial industry to now looking at trends of excess deaths. One by one we are seeing countries reporting this tragic trend, Ed brings together data and hundreds of newspaper headlines to join the dots. Join us this episode as Ed puts the pieces of this jigsaw together to show the truth.Please share this important podcast with your family and friends.
 
Edward Dowd is currently a Founding Partner of Phinance Technologies, a global macro alternative investment firm.Ed has worked on Wall Street most of his career, spanning both credit markets and equity markets, some of the firms he worked for include HSBC, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette and Independence Investments.Most notably, he worked at Blackrock as a portfolio manager where he managed a $14 billion Growth equity portfolio for ten years.After BlackRock, he founded OceanSquare Asset Management with two former BlackRock colleagues.Ed's career was spent analysing companies and earning billions for hedge funds and his success grows from his ability to accurately predict which companies are legit winners in the making and to avoid fraudulent or weak investments.In early 2020, Ed famously made some accurate predictions on Twitter and in 2021, he began to back up his earlier prognostications with posts including data provided by the CDC, NIH and WHO.Shortly after that, Twitter banned him from the platform, saying that his posts were "against community guidelines" but thankfully since Elon Musk's acquisition of the company Ed has been reinstated and his followers are growing rapidly.With his investment theses on data gleaned from the WHO, CDC, NIH, life insurance industry and funeral home fiscal reports, Ed exposed the contagious deceit of Big Pharma Fraudand its devastating effects on financial markets and to our lives.
Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022‘Early in 2021, he noticed a rise of news anecdotes about sudden deaths among very fit athletes and other seemingly healthy young people across the country. His question was simple: What changed this year?’Available in hardcover and e-bookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BB8GWRLW/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Ed Dowd, who's been with us before, looking at finance. And this time he looks at something completely different, and that is his book published at the end of 2020. Many of you will have seen it, and that is Cause Unknown, the epidemic of sudden deaths in 2021 and 2022. And he brings his analytical mind, originally looking at financial trends, looking at death trends, let's call it what it is. And he opens the book with newspaper report upon newspaper report, scan upon scan, image upon image of how the media have reported on sudden deaths, at sudden adult death syndrome, deaths amongst children, amongst young people, it should not be happening. And yet he collates it all together, and that is the the hard-hitting part of this, that you see it all in one place.You realize, wow, this is what is happening from papers all across the world. He talks about those excess deaths, talks about the rise of the disability in workforce, talks about publishing this, the difficulty of publishing it, the response from publishers, from media. It is a huge topic, and a story that has to be told and I encourage you to get hold of the book, pass it on to friends, family, relatives, anyone who can read this because they need to grasp this subject and understand the tragic reality of what we face, not only here in the UK but all across the world. So I know you will be fascinated by this interview with Ed and you'll want to get the book after a few listen and hear him.And hello, Hearts of Oak. Wonderful to have you with us again and wonderful to have a returning guest. The last time we spoke on economics and finance, but this time we're going to focus on his book, Cause Unknown, the epidemic of unknown deaths in 2021 and 22, and that is Edward Dowd.Ed, thank you for your time today.
(Edward Dowd)
Great to be here. Thanks for having me on again.
Not all. I've literally been finishing your book on my Kindle. It's been a fascinating read, not an enjoyable read, but a fascinating read. And as I think over the last three years, we've had lots of fascinating reads that have not necessarily been enjoyable, but have opened the door and explained what is really happening. Your book, Cause Unknown, is one of them. And for our viewers, all the links are in the description.You can find Ed Dowd @DowdEdward on Twitter, on GETTR, everywhere else, but all the links are on the screen there and also in the description.But Ed, if I could probably begin, because your background is one on finance and I love watching your interview, or your conference speech at the American Freedom Alliance, World War III, just last month, a signpost of the sovereign debt bubble popping, what comes next.And that is a fascinating take on the financial side, but we're going to look on something completely different today, and that is your book published just the end of last year.But Ed, maybe we can ask you, first of all, what and how moved you from your focus on, I guess, a focus on the finance side, on investments, on trends in the financial sector? What moved you over to looking at what was happening with the excess deaths linked to COVID?
Well, so the bottom line is this. When the vaccine was introduced, I started hearing anecdotes about injuries and deaths, which I shouldn't be hearing statistically. If this thing was safe and let's forget effective, we know it's not effective, but if this thing was safe and had been vetted like a normal vaccine for seven to 10 years, we wouldn't be hearing, I wouldn't be hearing any anecdotes. So I became alarmed and I was also horrified by the propaganda campaign that seemed to fool lots of people into taking this thing. But then when the mandates came, that's when I lost my mind. I said, OK, here we go. I'm just, you know, look, I'm Irish Catholic, American, fifth generation, and I just don't like being told what to do. That's kind of my nature. And so when they told me I had to take this jab to literally interact with freedoms that were basic to the Constitution of America, that's when I said, OK, done here and started going to protests.I hooked up with Dr. Malone and came in October of 2021.And I had already, in my mind, said to myself, well, if the vaccine is really causing problems, and because this vaccine was not just a vaccine that was marketed to a specific group of people, but the whole globe, it should show up in what we call the metadata.And the first metadata I thought we'd look at would be the insurance company results and the funeral home results.And sure enough, at the end of 21, it showed up there. And I became the guy known as the fellow analysing excess mortality.And over time, I had a team kind of coalesced around me. It's not just some dude on the internet, ex-Wall Street guy.It's like I have two PhD physicists who started a firm called Finance Technology, spelled, PH instead of F. We have a website, phinancetechnologies.com.And since the book has been written, we've just continued our work.And it's a horror show. We've identified excess deaths.We've identified disabilities and injuries, all of which have gone off the rails since the vaccine introduction.So on Wall Street, when you pick a stock, which I was a stock picker, I ran a $14 billion, growth portfolio for BlackRock for 10 years.We grew from $2 to $14 billion over that time. You come up with an investment thesis for a stock and you want to be early to what's quote called the story.And usually there's a story in a stock where something fundamental is changing and you want to get there before the herd gets there and buy the stock.And then as your thesis is proven correct over time, the stock will go up.People will realize what you saw. And that's all I've done here with the vaccine issue, like I saw a trend.We analysed it. And unfortunately, I'm here to say the trend isn't getting any better.Excess deaths continue to stay alarmingly high. Disabilities are continuing to climb, granted not as a faster rate as they did in 21 into 22. But now we have injuries, which are identified by missed work time, and that exploded in 2022. And these numbers are not small.The numbers we've come up with are about 300,000 dead in the US from the vaccines.And of course, we do excess mortality for like Europe, the UK, we did Ireland, we did Australia, and it's all showing the same story, a mix shift from old to young, starting in 2021. And that's what I talk about in my book, the mixture from old to young, I use society of actuary data, look at disability data. So what I'm here to say is the book gets that and our research continues that it's been detrimental to your health to be employed in 21, 22 and continues in 23.And why is that? Why is the most healthy and youngest amongst us getting sicker than the general populations of these countries? Well, it's because they were mandated to take an experimental jab where the drug companies wanted to hide the clinical trial from you for 75 years.That's a fact that most people don't know, but it's true. And from that data that they didn't want you to see, we've been able to estimate all sorts of things.And we showed that in the clinical trials, the rate, the magnitude of severe adverse events is now expressing itself in the general population.It's a joke. This is an absolute joke.And in the book, we don't go into the who or why, primarily because I wasn't in the room when these decisions were made.But what I can say is at this point, they see the same data that I see and we all see, and it's a cover up.So whatever went down is a cover up now, and that's a crime.Well, I want to get, you mentioned Dr. Robert Malone, I had the privilege of staying over with him and Jill when I was last over in Virginia, and he's been on many times.Can I ask you about Skyhorse Publishing published this, and I guess there would be a reticence, in publishers to publish this information because it blows the lid on what has been happening.Before we go into some of the data and some of the charts that you have, can I just ask you what was it like to put this information out? What was the response like, negotiating to publishers, media response. Tell us what that was like.Well, so I didn't intend to write a book. Gavin De Becker, who lives on the island with me off Maui, he knows Tony Lyons, he's written books. And Bobby Kennedy, all three kind of approached me and pitched the idea of this book, because my data was coming at it from the Wall Street side of things, which is just trend analysis. I wasn't trying to figure out what the medical mechanisms of the vaccine were. There's a lot of debates and lots of back and forth.I'm just counting ones and zeros, dead, not dead, disabled, not disabled, injured, not injured. That shows up. So, you know, at the very least, let's assume I'm wrong. I'm 150 percent convinced it's the vaccine. If it's not the vaccine, let's assume I'm wrong. Something's going on. The numbers are the numbers. What is it? And more curiously, why are the authorities around the globe unwilling to want to talk about it. Well, the circular logic is it's because it's the vaccine. That's why they don't want to talk about it. You know, the numbers we have now are worse than the pandemic in 2020. The excess deaths, the disabilities and the injuries. We have a pandemic now and I call it the pandemic of the vaccinated.And that's that those are just facts. So Tony Lyons, Gavin approached me. I wrote the book.The book has been mostly ignored by the mainstream media. I did get on Tucker Carlson before he was fired.I've been on a couple of mainstream podcasts like Patrick Bet-David, who was brave enough to put me on. Kudos to him.And some others. But you know, I've been kind of, the book has been kind of ignored, even though it's been selling well.Recently, I've come under some new attacks. I think it's because I'm affiliated with the Kennedy campaign.I'm the co-treasurer on his campaign and I align myself with him because he's, you know, he's aware of the vaccine situation and he's all about freedom and truth.I may not agree on every topic with him, but without freedom and truth, we got nothing.We're kicking around other issues in the sandbox.So that's where we are. This is an ongoing fraud, an ongoing cover up.The US is like other countries are starting to back off from this thing, but the US supposedly the leader in global health care, continues to push this poison.Let's just call it what it is. It's poison. It doesn't work, and it's poisoning you.As a Wall Street guy, this was a stock that was coming under suspicion of having fraudulent accounting.You don't want to be the bag holder on the way down to zero.At the very least, this vaccine doesn't work. Why would you get a booster for something that doesn't work?Now we have serious concerns. Don't be on the wrong side of the trade.If you did get previously vaccinated, just stop. Don't do any more boosters.That's kind of my message. It's like, look, this thing doesn't work.There's a lot of questions around it.It's, in my humble opinion, absolute fraud. And over time, it's going to come out.So don't continue to take what I call the Russian roulette boosters.
Robert Kennedy Jr., I'm fascinated by his stand and I'm watching, obviously from across the pond in the UK, watching what is happening over there in the US and how he brings this conversation into, especially on the left, on the Democrat side, which you don't think I've had a full conversation on this. But can I bring up some of the data, some of the graphs, some of the information which you brought? And maybe you can talk us through. But this is some of the the yearly excess deaths that we've seen.And you can see there is a spike from 2020, but maybe you can kind of mention and help the viewers understand what they're looking at.
What country is this? I can't see.
This is Denmark.
Denmark's the classic example. So you see, these are, so we came up with methodology papers.First of all, you have to figure out how to measure excess death.The traditional way of doing it, and even the Society of Actuaries does this, is just to take a five-year average.The problem with that is it doesn't account for population growth or degrowth.So if the population's growing and you use just a five-year average, it'll make it look worse than it is, and conversely, if the population of the country's declining, it'll make it look better than it is.So we adjust for all that.And you can see with Denmark, they had a pretty consistent declining mortality rate that kind of went off the rails starting in 2020, but it's hit new highs in 2022.And on the right, you can see total population, I think. And basically, it shows that each successive year since 2020, more and more people are dying.So what do we know about Denmark? They're one of the most highly vaccinated countries.And every year it got worse. So let's assume it's not the vaccine, whatever they did in Denmark, and by the way, you can find this in all sorts of countries, Australia, you name it.It's gotten worse every successive year. So whatever they're doing is killing more people.So the health response has been a disaster.And since a major component of that health response is the vaccine.And it's continuing to get bigger in 2022. There you go. There's the answer.And what did Denmark do? Denmark basically, effectively, there's some wording people get on me about, but they effectively banned the vaccine for people under 50.And they said, it's better to get COVID than the vaccine. OK, so that's Orwellian speak for don't get the vaccine if you're healthy and under 50.This should be pulled off the markets for every age group. It's a disaster.So Denmark has decided to back off.Other countries are starting to back off. Switzerland came out and said that the liability now lies with the doctors that can continue to push this.So every country is starting to examine this slowly, except the US, which is interesting.I guess it's because it came from the US.But we've had Martin Sichert from AFD Politician in Germany talking about the excess deaths they've had in Germany.So I think what you're talking about in Denmark, we have seen, and in the UK, we have seen a certain massive amount of excess death.I think the Daily Mirror had a headline, we are seeing whatever percentage of excess deaths, and we don't know what is causing it. what you're talking about there in Denmark, I think it was 10% of excess deaths.We are seeing a similar level in the UK. So what you're, I guess, coming across, what you've written about is being extrapolated across many, many other countries.
Yeah. Other people are doing different work, different methodologies, but the answer is coming up the same.I mean, my objective in doing this was to highlight the issue.And people are like, oh, Ed, they're copying your work. I don't care.People to do as much of this as possible so it multiplies. I'm just one guy, one team.We hope that everybody does their own, every country does their own study.As long as we kind of agree on how to measure the baseline, because excess deaths are a mathematical calculation above what's expected due to like very predictable mortality paths.That's why insurance is a great business. People, insurance companies aren't dumb.They insure people because they know what the death rate is and they make money by charging premiums, and they collect more than they pay out.That's the essence of insurance, and insurance companies have had some rough times of late, paying out more than they expected.What's curious is the, I'm going to report on this soon, the Society of Actuaries put out their 2022 report this month.And we're looking at the data, and the excess mortality in the younger folks continues to be quite high, running in the 20% to 23% area.What's interesting is, in that report, they look at the general US population, and the group life people are dying at higher rates than the general US population, which never happened before. This was always a healthier group that all flipped in 21.And so this is a joke.If you're employed, you have a greater chance of dying than if you're not working for one of these large companies that forced you to get the vax.So as far as I'm concerned, the puzzle's been solved. We're just trying to wake up policymakers and those who are brave enough to stick their necks out, which I don't understand.People are dying and getting maimed and disabled. So anybody who is afraid is a coward.Now, if you don't know and you figure it out and you're in a position of power, take action.But if you know and you're just scared, well, you're a coward.
In your book, you talked about one insurance company, talked about the CEO of the one America insurance company publicly disclosed that during the third and fourth quarter of 2021, death in people of working age 18 to 64 was 40% higher than what it was before.I mean, that's huge. That is 40% higher. I'm surprised everything didn't stop and the whole media to focus on this.And yet that seemed to be ignored by the world's media.Yeah. So that came out at the end of 21 into January of 2022. And the CEO said the numbers, the numbers are correct. That actually was verified later by the Society of Actuaries.What he said for his company turned out to be the number for the whole industry. So 40 percent excess mortality across the board in 2022 for 25 through 64. Now, let's use his own words.His own words were, 10% increase is a once in a 200-year flood. 40% is off the charts.So now, at the time, what did he say? He blamed COVID. OK, he blamed COVID. Now, you've got to remember, in 2021, we had the original variant, which was the worst, then Delta, which was the second worst. And by the time he spoke, Omicron was starting to emerge, which is basically a common cold. So at the time he said that, he probably believed it, and he just was wrong. My job as an analyst on Wall Street is to sit in front of CEOs, listen to them, and bet against things I think that they're either incorrect about or lying about.I think he was just incorrect about that. And as time has rolled on, it's becoming more apparent that these excess deaths are non-COVID. So if it's non-COVID, what is it? Well, people blame drug overdoses and suicides, deaths of despair, and missed cancer screening, treatments or appointments. Let's go through each one of those. So in the third quarter of 2021, the excess mortality spiked to 84% for the age groups 25 to 44, which I call the millennials.These are people who shouldn't die. And their death rate was a lot lower during 2020.So it spiked to 84% in a three-month period, which is when the mandates hit in the US.And these group life policies are given to those who work at large Fortune 500 companies or mid-sized companies. If you're a small business, you don't have group life, OK?So these folks accelerated from around 30% excess mortality in the summer when Delta was raging into 84% by September, October of 2021.So to blame suicides is insane, because then you're saying that there was a group suicide pact amongst those with the best jobs.That's absurd. To say that they overdose on fentanyl and heroin is absurd because to get the policy claim, you have to be employed at the time.So, from my experience, fentanyl users and heroin users tend not to keep their jobs very long and tend not to be employed at these companies.And then the third excuse, missed cancer screening appointments.You know, I'm 56. I've never had one. Usually you get a cancer screening when you present with illness.You don't go pre-screen.They don't just, insurance companies don't spend money where they don't need to.So you don't go in and get these tests and then die in mass in the third quarter of 2021 from your 32, and I guess you didn't know you had colon cancer and you dropped dead in the third quarter of 2021.It's all nonsense.And then, obviously, since that spike, the vaccine program has waned.A lot of booster uptake has gone down.But what's disturbing to me is that the excess mortality in this group is still running around 23%, which is absurdly high and a problem.And injuries seem to be happening a lot, meaning missed work time, chronically ill.And if you're injured, you can move into the disabled category or the dead category.Categories aren't static.Well, let me bring up, because that's excess mortality. That is the scary thing.And before we go into some of the examples in your book, this is one of the charts.And right there..
Yeah, you can see the spike right there.Now, 100 is baseline. So you see 200%, which is 100%, and 179, which is 79% above.Averages to run 84% for the group 25 through 44. It's right there. Boom. That's what we call the event. That's what we call the smoking gun.
What has been the response, again, to the media?Because it is there. It is clear. You've done the research. You've shown the data. It's out there for all to see. You would expect the media to pick up on this and to run with this as the major story of the year. But this seemingly hasn't got out. What are your thoughts on that?Well, the good news is it's spreading word of mouth. So that's good. The bad news is the media is owned by the pharmaceutical industry because they, on the nightly news in the US, I think 75% of the nightly news budget is pharmaceutical spend. Now, all of media is not 75%. But I think the nightly news is basically sponsored by pharma. So they have huge incentive not to go against their gravy train. So you got that going. You got all of Congress and the Senate kind of still being lobbied by the pharmaceutical industry. And then you have the technology companies that are the platforms for social media. Now, Twitter's different. It's been bought by Elon. And I was banned from Twitter, but put back on in December. And I had 87,000 followers when I got turned back on. Now I have 216. So word about it is spreading, but it's slow and it's, you know, it's, it's never been more dangerous to be misinformed than right now. And it kind of makes me sick to my stomach. So there's a lot of vested interests. I call it a conspiracy of interest. To keep the lid on this, technology companies were excited about the surveillance technology cash flows they were going to get if this thing was going to be implemented forever, which it's not, with vaccine passports and quarterly jabs. So they gratefully did what the government told them, which was to censor. And it's come out from the Twitter files that there's a censor industrial complex. There's a whole host of companies that basically make money censoring folks.And so they don't want this to come out.The media definitely doesn't want this to come out and our health authorities that ram this through don't want this to come out. So it's kind of this, let's pretend it never happened and hope that people forget.The problem is these vaccines are still being offered.They're trying to bring out new ones. And until people who have already been injured know what the cause is, the doctors, who don't know any better, are going to treat the symptoms, not the result of the jab.And the jab, we believe, is compromising immune systems.You need to repair your immune system rather than treat shingles or whatever shows up from your compromised immune system.We're hearing of young people dying from pneumonia this winter.I mean, who the hell dies from pneumonia in your 30s?Well, I guess if you're vaccinated and boosted, you've got a chance of dying from pneumonia.Well, you talk about excess deaths, we will touch on that again later, but we've had in the UK big demonstrations. Truth Be Told is one organization which is highlighting the vaccine damage to people, the disability side.This is something which you bring up. Let me bring up one of the slides. This is the the labour force, 16 to 64.And this is the disability within that. And it's, again, you see the trend and suddenly there is a spike from early 2021 of that disability within the workforce.So it's not just deaths, but it's actually the inability to work and the damage that it's causing to individuals after having this.
Yeah, so we discovered the U.S. Bureau of Labour Statistics, which does, you know, disability numbers, and it went off the rails starting around February of 21.And when we delved even deeper, So the correlation with the vaccine uptake is 0.9. Now, people say correlation is not causation, whatever. At least the question needs at least to be asked and they don't even want to ask the question. But when we delved into the numbers a little deeper, you can break it down by employed versus the general population.And the general US population had not 8% increase in disabilities into November of 22. The employed population had a 31% increase in of disabilities into 2022. So again, the people who are employed generally speaking are much healthier than those who are unemployed, right? Correct?Because of by the very nature, you're getting up in the morning, drinking your coffee, and getting yourself to work. You know, if you're, you know, super young, you're not working.If you're super old, you're retired and you may be sick.But if you're able-bodied and able to get up and go do something, you're, generally speaking, a healthy individual.This all flipped in 2021.So of the 3.2 million individuals added to the disability survey done by this department.1.7 were employed. So half, more than half, of the newly disabled were employed.Shocking. We just dropped, so then we did another study on absence rates and work time lost, and we found that this accelerated, we put that out a couple months ago, we found that accelerated in the US in 2022 especially, and it was 13 standard deviations above the 20 year trend line, which is, just to understand what a standard deviation is, a three standard deviation event happens 0.03% of the time.13 is what we call a black swan event, should not be happening.Well, guess what we did recently? We put this out last week.We did an analysis of the UK disability data, our absence and work time loss data, and we found the exact same trend. And what's interesting is it actually went down in 2020 for your country.It went up in 2020 for us, but in your country, it went down.Then it went up in 21 and then exploded in 22, And it's 12 standard deviations above your 20 year trend.So whatever's going on in the UK is happening in the US. You got a sick workforce.And I guess it's climate change.
Let me bring up some of the, one of the things that really hit me, even when you open up the book and go through it, it is the, not just the stories, but actually those screenshots of the stories from the media, from the newspapers.And this is an example, and you opened up with healthy young athletes dying, died unexpectedly in their sleep, and the S.A.D new normal, the sudden adult deaths.Tell us about this, because it's quite a, I guess, a shocking, sobering opening up to the book, whenever you see, not just Ed, you talking about, you know, the names of people who have died, but actually it is all there, the media have recorded it and you're simply bringing it together.Yeah, so you'll notice all we do in this section is we link local news stories.We don't, we don't comment on individual people.We just link news stories of sudden athletic deaths. And again, the book puts a human face on it with these stories, and then I go into the data.And we can talk about sudden athletic deaths in a very interesting way.Did they happen before COVID vaccines? They sure did, but they're super rare.There was a study done in 2006 by the Switzerland Lausanne Institute that tried to put a number on this, and they found over 38 years, 1,101 such cases of people who died under age 35 on the field and that's 29 a year.You know, in the book, our list is not exhaustive. We have hundreds and hundreds of examples.That we'd be lucky to have a month with just 29 in it. Instead, we have months upwards of 80 across the globe. So as a trend guy, does this phenomenon occur before? Sure. But the frequency with which it's occurring is like tenfold what it was in the past. And again, why are the elite, most elite healthiest amongst us dropping dead on the field, you know, in a new frequency rate that's tenfold what it was. Well, it started in 21. And what changed? Mandates and vaccines, because schools and sports mandated all this stuff. So, look, if I'm wrong, I'd love to be wrong, but no one wants to talk about this, which is, you know, obviously very suspicious to me.And people want to pretend it's not going on, but it is, ideal in reality. I live in reality. And there's a bunch of people that want to live in la la land again. Good luck to you.When you've probably brought in trends from your financial side, people have been willing to look at it and it's showing where the market is heading. Therefore, you want to get in.And you would kind of think any trend, people want to understand what is happening earlier on to be ahead of the curve in effect.But this seems to be the opposite, that people don't want to see, don't want to understand, don't want to acknowledge.Whenever you are putting this down, were you expecting people to adopt, I guess, the same response as you would have in the financial sector.Well, so let me grab something. Someone made this for me, because I've been saying this a lot.Someone made this as a gift for me.You can't rationalize facts to someone whose position is based on emotion.It's a coffee mug. And that's something I learned when I was in business school.And I saw that on Wall Street.And for instance, let's talk about the Enron fraud. I knew it was a fraud.I got my firm out of the way of the disaster.I didn't catch the top, but we owned it. And once I realized it might be fraud, I'm not married emotionally to a stock because it's a piece of paper.A lot of people emotionally get emotional about stocks. And I had peers that I would talk to and say, hey, this thing's fraud.And they said, no, you're wrong.And I talked to the CEO, and he told me everything's fine. I go, well, that's the nature of a fraud.You talk to a CEO. And by the way, psychopaths that run these companies into zeros, frauds, they will act as if everything's fine and convince you, they will never admit to the fraud until they're in handcuffs.And that's what's going on here. So a lot of people that took this vaccine, that were emotional about it based in fear, and or, you know, adopted COVID as the new religion.It's become part of who they are, so they can't admit to it.So there's that going on. The good news is most people did not take this because it was a virtue.Most people were either threatened or were ambivalent about it.And now that they're learning, they'll pull a 180 and they're not emotionally attached.But there's a huge pocket of people still emotionally attached to this decision who who won't ever want to admit defeat.And there's also the vested interest, the conspiracy of interest, who may know that, it's a disaster, but they'll never admit to it either because, you know, they some of these people, again, I wasn't in the room, there may have been some malfeasance and fraud that's going to put people in jail.So they're going to they're going to run with this until they can't.And unfortunately, my prediction is as more and more people figure out what's happened and the injuries continue, eventually there'll be a kind of a tipping point and then there's going to be a lot of angry people, unfortunately.
As you've put this out, the book has been out since the end of 2022. What has been the kind of response, the engagement, obviously I've seen you on War Room many times discussing this. There must have been a reticence, I guess, to publish this information, which seemingly not only goes against the mantra from the government but goes against Big Pharma, which has got deep pockets. So there's a financial interest in going. It's not just going against the government edict, but it's going against the money system of Big Pharma.As you put this out, tell us about how it's been taken, how it's been accepted, that kind of fight I guess you had of putting out this information.Well, so we're running along. There's a saying, first, they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you. I went through the ignoring period. Then the fact checkers came in and tried to like, you know, laugh at me. Now they're starting to fight. I mean, it's our website was taken down last week. Our website was taken down and we were attacked. And now it's back up.Thank God. And I started to receive a line of personal attacks in certain areas of social media that seemed very coordinated. I'm not even going to talk about what they are because I'm not going to give any, you don't give the trolls anything to feed on. So just know that something shifted last week. It went from ignoring and laughing to coordinated attacks on the website and personal. So the good news is that says to me they're now fighting me because the word's getting out. The book was a number one seller for a long, long time.Sales have declined a little bit, as is natural in a book after its first six months. It'll probably catch a second wave soon as this breaks into the mainstream, and I'll probably go on more mainstream media type of things as they try to change the narrative and pretend they never were involved. But this is where we are. The fight has begun. And then after they fight you, you win. So winning is six to 12 months away, but we're in that, we're in the, I call, you know, people are like, are you scared? I'm like, no, this is the fun part. This is the good part. Now they have to pay attention.
Tell us about the, the, the data reporting, I guess, because the, the VAERS is the system you have in the U.S. to report side effects and adverse effects of vaccines.Looking at it from a non-medical, non-scientific point of view, as I've read into it, it seems to be a laborious, difficult process designed to maybe slow down reporting.But tell us the kind of the data which has been accessible to you and you've looked at, because not all countries report it.And fears, obviously, the US, the UK have reported, I've read Israel have reported a lot of stuff.Other countries have not reported it. Well, what has that been like for you looking at trying to access, I guess, this data.Well, we've written about VAERS, but that's not where most of our data comes from.We decided because of the nature of this jab, and it was so universal, it's going to show up in what we call the metadata, just the dead, the all-cause mortality, ones and zeros.And it has, and we've proven that.And it also showed up in other databases, like insurance actuarial databases, funeral home results.And it showed up at the US Bureau of Labour Statistics and the UK Labour Statistics, the ONS data there. So they can't hide it.The VAERS data, we tried looking at the data and it's problematic and it's hard to analyse and they do that on purpose.But just looking at the VAERS database, like eyeballing it, the number of adverse reports for this vaccine dwarfs any other vaccine we've ever seen.The naysayers on VAERS say, oh, these are fraudulent anti-vaxxers entering reports.First of all, it's an onerous process.Doing so, you can go to jail, and it usually is done by a doctor, and I don't think access to the average Joe is available.But we didn't lead with the VAERS data. We led with the government data of all-cause mortality, disabilities, and now injuries.And what's interesting is most countries are reporting them on time, although they're starting to delay that data. And the most egregious has been Canada.Canada has stopped reporting the dead people. So they're like six, eight months behind.And, you know, if you're if you're a first world country and you're a government, one of your jobs as a government is to count things.And, you know, that's that's that's, so third world countries like Africa have problems, you know, accessing records because a lot of people just don't even get birth certificates or register.But, you know, in developed nations, this data should be readily available once it becomes.And so Canada is either become a third world country, which I don't believe it is, or they're hiding the data, which I think they are.
Tell us about the, just to finish off with the viewers, the listeners, they obviously, this is a topic which many of our viewers and listeners have been extremely interested in with a number of guests, so they get hold of the book, Cause Unknown, they read through it, and they want to kind of do something, they've been informed. What were your thoughts on educating the public and giving them that information.What do they do with it, I guess, is a question for our viewers and listeners.
So let's just start with the book. The book was written, leaving out the who and the why on purpose, because we don't want people to get bogged down in that, which I can't prove, because that's all speculation.But what we can prove is something's going on.These numbers are the numbers. The lack of talking about these numbers, in my humble opinion, is a cover-up.In the book, we say our thesis is it's the vaccine.And we come at it from a Wall Street trend analysis perspective.It's a very sober, non-bombastic book.And what people have told me is they'll buy it for themselves because they already believe.They'll read it, then they'll hand it to a loved one.And there's lots of reports of people coming back to me saying that the book has been able to flip someone from getting boosters to not getting boosters.So the first step is buy the book for yourself, but then give the copy to someone else after you read it.Some people have bought multiple copies and given them to their whole family, whether they're received well or not.So that's one thing you can do. You can also go to our website, phinancetechnologies.com.We have all the data. You can use all the data there.If you want to go to your local school board, if you want to go to your congresswoman, if you want to go to your state reps.So it's like a force multiplier. And you know, it's just everyone needs to take some sort of action.And the action is inform, educate. I know some people live in liberal cities.They don't want to talk about it, but you can buy the book and leave it on your desk.You know, there was a story last week.I know someone who knew a guest was coming, they left the book out, and then the person came and they grabbed the book, and now they're questioning the vaccine.So that's kind of what this is. It's kind of a Paul Revere pamphlet, you know, like, the British are coming.It's a warning. And the warning is this. Don't take the thing, because we all know it doesn't work.So why take something that doesn't work, first?Second, my data shows something went off the rails starting in 2021.I'm 150, 200% convinced it's the vaccines, if it's not, then what is it?But at the very least, why take something that doesn't work?And that's the mission, just to save a marginal life, change a marginal mind, and that's it.That's why I wrote the book.I didn't write the book because it's fun, and I wrote the book to save people from making bad decisions.
Well, I live in a very liberal city, London, the UK, and I'm happy to have the conversation with friends, family, school pick up when I do that.And there's always a range of people that you can have this conversation with.So, Ed, I appreciate you coming on and discussing the book.I found it fascinating reading on my Kindle. Didn't get a hardback, but it was on the Kindle.Really enjoyed it. So thank you so much for putting in the time and effort and hard research, which I know goes into publishing anything like this. Thank you.Yeah, you're welcome. And I just want people to know it's not just me.There's a team behind a lot of what was in the book.Gavin De Becker had a team sourcing the stories.All the data that I presented was done with volunteers, my own research, my partners, Carlos and Yuri, Josh Sterling, who's now public.So, you know, this is not just some dudes with spreadsheets on the internet spreading misinformation.This is top-notch Wall Street research.My very last thought, sorry, is there'll have to be a Part B.There'll have to be an update to this because the data is coming out.You've set the groundwork, the data is continually coming out.Does that mean that you will have to update it and include the data which is progressively getting worse?
Yeah, probably at some point. I'm not looking forward to that because that requires work.We're also thinking, we have a website and we're thinking of figuring out a media strategy to maybe produce a pamphlet or a book that showcases the work from our website, which is even more comprehensive than my book.We also are trying to figure out a way to make PDFs that are downloadable rather than people screenshotting our work. So we're, you know, look, this is a volunteer effort.This is all pro bono.We have a hedge fund that we're looking to start at some point, but we put that on the back burner. Well, this is more important to get this information out.So we're not doing this. We're funding this out of our own pockets.So as we get volunteers who want to give us time and effort, this stuff will come.So we're, and our team's growing. We keep getting more and more volunteers from very different political ideologies.Very different. This cuts across left, right, green, red, blue, purple.This is team humanity. And if you're for truth and not being forced to take experimental gobbledygook into your arm, you're on our team.I find that 100%. So Ed, I appreciate you coming on and thank you to our viewers for tuning in and our listeners for listening.And do make sure you get a copy. All the links are in the description and do pass it on to friends, colleagues, those on the school gates, whoever, make sure they get the information.So Ed, thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you so much and I appreciate you.
 
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The Week According To . . . Lewis Brackpool

Welcome to our weekend edition of free speech and straight talking as Lewis Brackpool is back with us for an hour of news driven chat and discussion, giving his unbridled opinions on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and on his social media.In the cross-hairs this episode......- Rainbows everywhere! It's Pride month again.- Labour suspends MP over sexual harassment allegations.- The train-wreck interview between Andrew Tate and the BBC.- The Jeffrey Epstein Files: Unprecedented insight into late paedophile's network of power and influence.- Pray for Jamie Foxx.- Twitter, misgendering and What is a Woman?- North Korea has officially been elected to the WHO executive board.- World Health Organisation could gain powers to impose lockdown on UK.- Israeli data shows ZERO young, healthy individuals died of Covid-19.- Government to take legal action against Covid inquiry over Johnson WhatsApps.- Target has lost over $10 billion in market capitalisation after boycotts.- Fat people now officially a protected group in New York City.
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Debbie Georgatos - America Can We Talk? What Has Happened to US Exceptionalism

For years former attorney and Fox News radio political analyst, Debbie Georgatos has brought her unique mix of lawyerly logic and patriotic passion into a mix of news and interviews that she broadcasts live every Monday-Thursday on her show 'America Can We Talk?' and this episode she joins Hearts of Oak to look at American Exceptionalism. The US has always stood on its on two feet, The American dream was a beacon that shone throughout the world giving hope of a better future, America exhibited confidence and spoke of freedom from tyranny. But now that has all changed and "America is best" is under attack from the media, politics and an education system that wants to destroy the dream. It is now America AND China, America AND the Middle East, America AND Islam, America AND Globalism, America AND anyone and everyone else through an open border policy. Can American exceptionalism be regained? Should we be concerned about a weakened USA?Join us as Debbie discusses these issues and more.
Debbie Georgatos hosts the conservative talk show America, Can We Talk?. She is a public speaker, author, past Fox News Radio national political analyst, and former California labor/employment litigation attorney. The mission of her book, 'Ladies, Can We Talk?' and her show America, Can We Talk?  is to inspire more Americans to actively embrace American-style liberty, protect America’s exceptional nature, and claim their place in the American political conversation.Debbie speaks and writes about the issues that will shape America’s future, and about the many challenges facing America today, from race relations to border security, and from free markets to national defense, and many other topics.Her first book, Ladies, Can We Talk? America Needs Our Vote! speaks to women, encouraging them to embrace and value our constitutional rights and freedoms, and to vote to preserve the American-style liberty on which our country was founded.  She connects the dots between the “big government will take care of everything” politics, and the crushing of individual opportunity, incentive, achievement, and ultimately, happiness.Debbie brings to America’s political dialogue a unique mix of lawyerly logic, patriotic passion, and a friendly and personal tone.  She encourages all Americans to take part in the American political conversation and the respectful exchange of ideas. She enjoys speaking to groups of all ages and backgrounds.
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Interview recorded 23.5.23
 
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Debbie Georgatos.Debbie, I met back in 2018 in Texas, and we reconnected at the Counter for National Policy Conference in Miami in February.Debbie is the host of America Can We Talk, a talk show, radio and on video.I've loved watching many of her interviews. I asked her on to discuss US exceptionalism.What has happened to American exceptionalism? And we go into obviously introducing her show, the many guests she's had, what she's trying to do with that, and then we move on to, America used to be America alone, but is now America and China, America and globalism, America and the Middle East, that clash between Christianity and Islam. And then we end up looking at the Durham report that she has just done quite a bit of work on. It seems as though the whole Russian collusion was a hoax.Who would have thought? That's just broken, just come out, and those two years of attacks on Trump in his first two years as president were simply a way of smearing and destroying him, and there was no truth in it. That's all come out, and Debbie has covered this in depth, and it was wonderful for her to go into that and explain to us, the viewers and listeners, what exactly has come out.So loved chatting to Debbie, catch her on americacanwetalk.org.I know you'll love hearing from her, unpack these issues of US exceptionalism.And hello, Hearts of Oak. It is wonderful to have today with us the host for 'America, Can We Talk?' and founder and moderator of Women for Freedom Summits?And that is Debbie Georgatos. Debbie. Thank you for your time today.
(Debbie Georgatos)
Hi Peter, I'm grateful you invited me to join you and I loved having you on my show last week.
It was good fun being with you last week and it was, goodness, we met each other 2018 and hadn't seen each other since. So it was good bumping into you at CNP in Miami in February and it was great to be on your show. So thank you for joining us and lots to discuss as always.Obviously on the screen americacanwetalk.org and on Twitter @DebbieCanWeTalk. All the links will be in the description for everyone to follow. But before we jump in and look at, I think we want to talk about America Can We Talk, what has happened to U.S. exceptionalism, and it's a massive topic of America, I guess, moving away from its position in the world.But before we get onto that, before we get onto your show, before we get onto all the topics, can I ask you, Debbie, just to take a moment and introduce yourself for our probably 70% UK audience and 20% US.So take a moment and introduce yourself before we go onto your show and then onto the topic.
Thank you for that opportunity, Peter. I would love to. My name is Debbie Georgatos and I'm based now in Dallas, Texas.Our talk shows out of Dallas, Texas. But by way of quick background, I grew up in upstate New York and I'm a lawyer.I went to law school, I did all my schooling back East and used to be a litigator in California, defended businesses and employment disputes. And so I was mostly on the defence in employment related cases.And we came to Texas in the year 2000. My husband and I moved here because of his work and start-up companies.And when I got to Texas, we had three kids at home. I do the stay-at-home mom thing.Pretty early on I got involved in her and just you know, and here it was called Republican Women's Club it's just a bunch of women who got together and talked about political issues and I enjoyed it very much and they were had good speakers, but I might thought always was as I'm listening, you know I love learning but what do you do with it? And how do you be an activist?How do you do more than just learn important things and go home and tell your husband at dinner?Like what do you do about it?So and I also focus a lot on how women vote and you know, I am in America our political parties pretty much we still have two, Republican and Democrat and, Republicans are more of the patriots the people who believe in the Constitution and the ideas the Declaration of Independence. So anyway, I began studying women's voting patterns and realized how women tend to vote for big government. They vote for expansion of government, because they are lulled or lured in by the idea of sympathy for the less fortunate and so the best solution is big government and handout programs and they also vote that way because they are in my opinion duped or tricked into thinking that somehow the leftists in America are going to make life safer and fairer and better for minorities. So I wrote a book, I wrote a book in, 2012, I think it was, called Ladies, Can We Talk?And I just talked to women about how you vote and what's the outcome of that vote.What happens when you vote for expanded government and expanded government control over society.It was a little bit wonky. I'm the first to admit, pretty wonky. Lots and lots of you know, footnotes and details and data and charts and graphs just trying to make the point, you know, don't vote away America, don't vote vote away freedom and really from that book and some media interviews I got after that it just kind of morphed and rolled into having a talk show so I had a talk show on radio called 'Ladies, Can we talk?' on a big network here in America, for four and a half years and then actually the is a Salem radio and then the head of one of the board members of Salem said to me, it was some conference.(microphone drops)You're losing half your audience you should be calling your shots to preserve of America's freedom.
Okay, well, lots of discussion. I've loved watching a number of your most, or I think your most recent interview was Dr. Simone Gold.You had a replay of Frank Gaffney interview, and I've seen you put up the Reawaken America event from Trump Doral Hotel in Miami, where we met again.Maybe you wanna tell us about some of your guests and what you're trying to put out.
I would love to you know part of what happened when my husband and I moved to Texas in the year 2000 It became very politically active. And so we happened to have in the home where our kids grew up, We had a back house, which was large. It was a pool house, but we we turned into a meeting venue So we had many, we would invite conservatives who are activists candidates, elected officials, foundations, organizations.People with a conservative cause tied to saving america. So we hosted Good.I mean hundreds of events in our home and it was just a way to let people It was a private venue and people could come and talk more freely about the serious challenges facing America and and what was really the root of those challenges So we did that for many years and I worked on political campaigns trying to talk about, messaging and how you you know need to collapse down the big arguments that conservatives make into, bullet points and so I worked with Canada's elected officials. The bottom line was we met a lot of people so when I started doing my talk show, I already had a pretty big array of at least contacts and friends, you mentioned Frank Gaffney?He's been on the show many times and and actually he was the founder of Center for security policy, and all he studies and thinks about is the various ways in which America's national security is threatened So he's and he's a really an ideological thinker So he talks not just about some country being a military threat, but the ideologies that come into America and undermine our understanding of America. So it's he knows about China and Russia, etc, I also have had guests in the kind of social issues sphere. I had a woman on my show.Four weeks ago. I think you know, three weeks ago named Riley Gaines and she really I think has made international popularity She is a star swimmer a young woman who won like I think when she was 16 ranked first in the nation, an amazing swimmer went to University of Kentucky and won all sorts of events and her final NCAA which is the end of the college time for her and her swimming competition She was beat out by a guy who got to swim against the women because he said, you know I identify as a woman. I mean just preposterous crazy and that whole transgender craziness has really overtaken America So I try to talk about that how it undermines our culture our family and just undermines this rooting in truth because he's he's a guy in every way and so I have those kind of guests I am gonna be talking I have many a guest talking about the border situation in America we live in Texas a southern border is you know, a few hundred miles away and it's utterly unenforced don't let anyone tell you as well. It's just a few little openings. It's utterly, unenforced we are watching and and enabled legitimized invasion of our southern border enabled by our own government. That's what happened So I anyway, I've known lots of people who are politically active candidates and such but I always I want to avoid slogan slinging because I think too many people get turned off in politics If you just sling slogans or name-call, I have serious substantive discussions rooted in facts and data and try to introduce people to the deeper ideas about what makes America great, unique, extraordinary.
I love watching many of them and if they haven't caught up with them they can on AmericanCanWeTalk.org they're all available there to watch and all the links, rumble links everything else is in the description but there are a whole load I mean I grew up with a two, superpowers America and Russia, USSR and then America seemed to take the supremacy the upper hand and was the single superpower in the world. And we've had that up to probably recently, but then recently, we've seen the ascendancy of China. And it's an interesting clash, this not just America alone, but America and China. I mean, what are your thoughts on that as you see the kind of that competition, that replacement with, I guess, America and its values of freedom, of liberty, of the ability to make the best in your life.Anyone can achieve what they want to if they really believe in it.That's the American dream.And what China brings is something very different. I mean, as an American, what are your thoughts on that clash between two separate, I guess ideologies?Well, first of all Peter, I would say I would love if more Americans saw it as a clash. That would be very helpful, you know, you're exactly right. what has happened in America?Unseen really by many people but exposed by Frank Gaffney and many other people who are national security experts is the idea that China, has committed to itself. In fact, they had at their very large annual party meeting in, 2009 I think it was, promising that they intend to become the world's single superpower. They act, no is 1999 because 50 years later gonna be by 2049, They intend to be the world's single superpower. And so they really have a goal of not just, equalling America in military strength or manufacturing or standard of living. It's nothing like that.It is an agenda to really take to be in charge of the world, to dominate America and all other other countries. And so there's that piece of it is coming out of China. It is the ideology of the Chinese Communist Party itself, believing communism must be spread.And there's also an element in China of an ancient doctrine that the current leader, Xi Jinping, believes in, which is the idea that the Chinese people as a race, as an ethnicity, are really intended to be the rulers of the world. The English version of it is called Mandate from heaven, but they really think this and Xi Jinping says it in his speeches so China has that agenda and in some ways you can see the agenda and what they try to do but in many ways what they're doing to take down America, diminish America's role is more subtle.And it is you have to pay attention to what the experts are teaching you to really understand what they're doing one more little background is back in 1999. There was a, 1998 there was a book published by two Chinese generals high-level military in the Chinese comm in the military in China that, basically said here's our plan. Here's how we will take down America and they spell it out We weren't intended to see it, but they spell it out and a lot of it is is very subtle so the methods they are using they are very much trying to undermine, America the culture and our belief in ourselves.So they're spreading through Confucius Institutes at college campuses as well as many recruited people in America's government in the judiciary in Hollywood in all the places where influencers seem to abide they are trying to culturally bring down America, it's really to convince the American people that your country isn't as great as you think it is and within academia, especially and people are just kind of now waking up to this maybe in the last five years waking up to this the ideology of communism has become the dominant ideology in almost every university in America in the history departments political science departments, So you send your your sweet young child off to college thinking they're gonna get really smart because they're gonna you know, learn great things like universities used to do and what they are producing, America's universities through the influence of China and more broadly the communist ideology, they're producing students who emerge from college and they don't they don't only not only don't like America. They don't love America They don't like America. They think America is bad. They have an impression of America's history.Utterly unconnected to reality and they believe and they will spout how Communism or socialism is so much better and so much more fair and so much more just and capitalism is evil, so we have a generation of people coming out of universities that don't they don't even know who's been, hoodwinking them or brainwashing them they think they went and got educated and then they think their parents who don't agree with what they're saying must be old-school dark ignorant So you have that aspect of the kind of cultural takeover of America you have financial takeover America coming out of China. We have Chinese corporations listed on the stock exchanges in America andfar too complicated for this show, but I've done shows about it how when Chinese companies are in the stock exchanges in America?So and many of the funds in America allow, you know you have collections of people retirement accounts of people's money and they invest in funds, So those that money goes back to strengthen Chinese corporations There were a series of three laws in China passed was like 2017 18 and 19 that basically made it the law in China at every company in China.No matter what they make what they do who they are they're all obligated to give every bit of information about their customers about their company, everything they do to the Chinese Communist Party and they do and so you have as the analogy people the point people try to make you have American military people who serve their whole life who have retirement funds retirement funds into Chinese companies in America stock exchange to go to Chinese companies We're manufacturing the weapons who will kill America's military I mean it is the most extraordinary thing and convincing people China is an enemy, China is America's number one enemy is hard because people were taught for years that the whole idea is kind of a similar to détente, but you know, we're gonna make friends we're gonna expand this relationship and not realizing China really is now America's number one and really the world's number one mortal threat to the future of freedom,
Well, I want to get on that economic threat and that, I guess, credit system, which is controlling people across the West now.But I guess it's that ideology, let me touch on first, because here in Europe, you go to Eastern Europe and you talk to many people, and they remember what communism was like behind the Iron Curtain.America doesn't have that, and America is built on, well, during the Cold War, of course, there was that threat of communism from the USSR, from Russia, and Americans understood that that was against, that was detrimental to the whole American dream.That Cold War has gone to an extent and the worry is, I guess, that young people growing up now, they have no idea of the damage to communism. They have no idea of the threat of socialism.What is it currently like in America? Because that seems to, people don't seem to look on communism, socialism with such suspicion, but it's more out of curiosity now, I guess.
Yeah, you know, I'm in the era where we grew up speaking about, you know, the communist world was Russia and the countries they occupied.And we all spoke of America as the free world. It was just understood without really needing much explanation.We understood communism involved tyranny and involved government control of all of society.And in America, we saw that as an enemy.And it is part of this ideological invasion that we were talking about a minute ago. You do have more people, it isn't that they would I don't think there's a a huge majority of Americans who would say yes I'm in favour of socialism. I think communism is great there's a segment and sadly a growing segment that says they like socialism.But what they don't see are the ideas that are coming out of America's left. They are Marxist. It's Marxist by slow rolling, changing the way America thinks about things, changing the way what we appreciate and think about our sense of freedom in our country.So we are, we are succumbing to socialism, Marxism, communism by a slow rolling attack.And just a couple of quick examples.There is a bill now in our Congress. Now the sponsor of it is Bernie Sanders, who was a presidential candidate, who's an avowed, he's a communist, but he's got a bill that is saying, and he's in the Senate, the House side is sponsored by the member of Congress we often call AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.They're basically saying that the government should pay for breakfast lunch and dinner and a snack so it's three meals a day plus a snack for every student in America, it's not means tested. It's not that you know poor students may be starving, but they sell it as a way. I've been reading their propaganda they sell it as a way as how could a child be expected to learn if they're hungry which of course they can't I mean everyone, you know, you're adults we're we can't focus if we're really hungry. So you make the point? Well, look what we just got to take care of that look we can solve this and we are they always spout off big numbers America is a rich country We have you know X number of millionaires and billionaires and all this money sitting around, well, the fact is that is a massive step toward communist control over society disguised as kindness and charity and this is one of the points even in my book, you know now over ten years ago I was trying to make social programs, intentionally engender dependency. They teach you that it's kindness to provide larger and larger social programs and the result is of course that the average person, especially someone who grew up dependent on all sorts of government programs, doesn't even see that as abnormal. They don't see it as, well, I'm an exception. I really should be self-sufficient have a job, you know take care of myself. They see that's what life is So they are cultivating the culture of dependency still today in America. It's a form of how socialism takes over, It's not a and you know, COVID was a huge other problem. COVID was a time where we, subconsciously, agreed that the government could control a lot of our lives we they could decide whether you can leave your home and whether you have to wear a mask and whether you can open your business and I mean it was just used as a vehicle, a mentalmanipulation or people were calling it mass psychosis of America, fear was instilled, people felt afraid so they just waited to be told what to do and very few said, you know something about this isn't right, climate change is used the same way it instils fear it instils dependency and instils weakness, people are encouraged not to think just wait to be told what to do and then we'll keep you safe, and that's how you lose your freedom.Can I, American chat, but American globalism and that economic power, and I know President Trump attempted to try and bring back some of the manufacturing to the U.S. that had been given away.But it seems as though that globalism reduces America's position in the world economically and makes America reliant on other countries where America was self-sufficient for so long, long, as was Britain many, many years ago.But that move away, that globalization, and that, I guess, selling off America to the highest bidder, which seems to be more and more the Democrat policy, and America can't do it any better.Someone else can, and they can always do it cheaper.And that giving up of that American economic power. I mean, how do you view that?Because that's partially China rising up, I guess, and becoming the engine power of the world.But there are many other countries stepping into that as America seems to withdraw from it.Absolutely. I'm so glad I was making notes while you were talking. I think better if I'm taking notes, I will say I do think that you know, We're talking a minute ago about how these ideas are introduced in society and they're sold to you as a either it's uplifting or it's the new way to think it is its modern way It's not this old-fashioned way that your grandfather used to think these are new ideas and globalization is sold as a next modern step among thinking people.And you know, the word can mean many things.I mean, the concept that America and the entire world, we have global trade, we have products that grow certain places, made certain places.And so shipping and having trade and buying products from each other.Generally speaking or in the abstract, is a great idea. You know, you don't wanna shut yourself off from the world.You have connections if you purchase products from other countries.What happened in America was, and it was very intentional during the Obama years, Obama, and I think your listeners probably know, but Obama, his vice president was Biden, who is now our president.So this is, many people refer to the Biden presidency as Obama's third term, as more Obama ideology.But the short story is, they saw globalization as a way to be more enlightened, and so we're gonna globalize, and they tied it into World Economic Forum.Isn't this wonderful?We're all gonna work together for the betterment of all mankind.And so we're gonna find better ways to solve the world's problems.And lots of people say, well, who could be against that? That sounds good.What has become obvious is the World Economic Forum is part of the agenda to really minimize and eventually eliminate the notion of sovereign states, sovereign states that are self-sufficient.And the idea of World Economic Forum is, and their motive, their MO, their modus operandi is to use dangers or threats or concerns to monopolize power to grow to have countries surrender their power to the World Economic Forum who promises just like every communist since time began promises give us all the power. Give us all your money. We'll fix everything and that's really so the World Economic Forum a lot of headway in America many prominent American leaders and people who are you know in the government now attend and there they would say oh It's just a way to have conversations. But again, it's that creeping an important differentiation. Are they just sharing information and or are they working toward this one global governmentidea, which has been the dream of many leftists for for years and years, It's similar, and in America more people are starting to call that out saying, you know we don't want World Economic Forum dictating anything about our our climate policy or COVID policy And it was both, you know, Klaus Schwab the head of World Economic Forum. He writes about he doesn't even hide it, he talks about the idea. Yeah, we're gonna use climate change and then he had a whole other series we're gonna use COVID to essentially consolidate power in this international body taking to countries that thought they were sovereign and had their own policies and plans, we're not having anything of that, we're just not going to allow that and I don't want you know, Peter I mean my love your time the other one quick one I mentioned was the World Health Organization is another one where they are, you know, first of all controlled by China Number one is not an freestanding really lovely, organization working toward better world health it is run by a guy, who is a former Muslim terrorist and not a doctor. He's not even a medical doctor, he is a you know, he's a bad actor, he runs that organization and countries around the world are signing on to say, will let the World Health Organization take our sovereignty away and let them be the ones that decide when a pandemic should be declared, how we should react what vaccine should be required. We are giving away sovereignty, but I will say I realize I'm sounding negative so I do want to get to the point, there are a lot of Americans wide awake now for the first time in a long time I was thinking driving in all these organizations reach out to me. I'd love to be on your show I want to talk about what we're doing. People are waking up. They're recognizing this creeping loss of freedom, loss of America, loss of America's greatness, it's right around the corner if not already here. And so you need the people who understand what's happening to rise up and stand up for what America is.And people are wakening up to that threat from the WEF and the WHO meeting at the end of this month and the controls they will bring on countries.And I saw they've refused Taiwan again to be observer status, again, the power of China.We all see that in in many ways. But could I touch another area because you've got again American exceptionalism has been taken over by America and the Middle East and this is partially a clash between a weak Christianity in America and a strong Islam in the Middle East and this is a clash that we have seen across Europe and I know that you will see more and more in America and that's connected to immigration. But you see this clash between two powerhouses and Christianity seems to be weak in its ability to hold its ground and to know what it believes in. Islam seems to come in and then you've got the financial side of the Middle East. You've got the oil, you've got everything that backs that up.I mean, what are your thoughts on that clash, not only between Christianity in the West and Islam coming from the Middle East, but that America in the Middle East?Do I have an hour to answer this? On a very serious note.
We can do that on part B, the next show.Okay, on a very serious note, you know, every time there's a really bad event in America, there have been jihadist attacks in America.They had the Boston Marathon. We had one right here at Fort Hood, which is a military installation.We've had Islamic attacks in America. We have jihadist attacks, and we've had stories about a dad doing honour killing of his own child.So we've had these, and every time those happen, people kind of wake up again.They say, wow, this Islam, the teachings of Islam, at least those who follow what the Quran actually says.These are ideas are inconsistent with America and freedom and Christianity and but yet, you know when it was quiet.Nothing happens people kind of revert to their well, you know we're in a diverse nation and we want to embrace everyone and we're all about inclusivity blah blah blah very little, sustained attention to that the Islamic Jihadist movement in this world. It never ends it started with the writing of the Quran, it started with Muhammad and it goes on and has gone on since the time the Quran was unleashed on the world and so we have this movement in America that sadly doesn't pay attention until it's really late you're really very late and then related to that many people have been documenting there has been I mean It sounds like strange bedfellows, but there has been a locking of arms between the Marxist movement in America which is definitely on the rampage and the Islamic jihadist movement also on the rampage and the two of them locking arms together and they kind of can bond over their perception that they are victims. They're a minority. They're not treated fairly. They're not honoured But really it's a very dangerous alliance and it is it's front and centre in America today, And people are a little bit afraid to call it out you have to wait till an event happens and then try to remind people, you know this is why these are happening. These aren't just people who deviated from Islamic doctrine, deviated from the Koran. These are people who are following the Koran, who are committing these kind of actions. So yeah, they're, it's a very, and then your related point about Christianity in America. There's a great thinker in America. I think you probably know of him at Trevor Loudon. He's actually a New Zealand native and he's coming back to Texas in a few weeks and be on the show, buthe writes about the the essentially a communist take over the world. That's his whole point is watching his tracking communists and he did a film two or three years ago called enemies within the church and his entire point of the film was that the Marxist movement coming to America, trying to identify all the places of weakness also chose the Christian church of America and how you have Christian churches off on teaching about social justice warrior stuff, left-wing policies on every conceivable issue.Inclusivity which causes them eventually to lose the Gospels to lose the core of Christianity what Christianity means and teaches like their highest idea of Christianity is to say we have no beliefs any we don't really have any beliefs every everything goes anything goes and the church is in America is weakened because of that having said that again this rising love for freedom you see it in America you do see and hear more people speaking about and people put it on social media I want to find a church that is not sucked into social justice and welfare that you know social justice agenda I want a church that teaches the Gospels that holds to the Gospels and you see people actually talking about and I agree with both these points you want to find churches Christian churches that actually understand America's unique identity was born that came out of the scriptures. The idea of man having individual rights from God because you were born, at the very least, to life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness and many other things, the equality of all men, the ideas of America are the ideas of the scriptures, of the Judeo-Christian scriptures, and people want to find churches that will say so.I know we're going on lots of topics, but I do think that I just want to give our viewers and listeners a taster, because there are all these, I guess, from different angles and that destruction of American exceptionalism.And I want to talk about immigration, but I do want, and I know you've covered this recently in your show, and this is on the Durham Report, because this is a clash between, I guess, America and the FBI, America and what's happening internally.The other things we've talked about are external threats, but yet you also have internal threats which are actually probably more concerning because those internal threats are accepted as good and positive for the country. Unpack that again to a non-US audience of what the Durham report has unveiled to the US people. I know it's not possible to do it in a short space of a tie, but I think it's essential for viewers to just scratch a little bit to see what exactly that is unveiling.I'd be so happy to, so everyone in the world I think heard when President Trump came along he ran for presidency in 2015 and 2016 He won in 2016 and early on in his candidacy in his campaign a story emerged out of Washington that somehow Russia was colluding with President Trump to steal the election from Hillary Clinton and she was the Democrat the leftist candidate and this Trump Russia collusion as it turned out to be hoax really took hold in the media in America and so we spent it continued during the campaign after Trump won he's in office the first two and a half plus years while he was in office his investigation was ongoing our American so-called Justice Department the DOJ Department of Justice was investigating the FBI which is a bureau part of the DOJ the FBI's a Federal Bureau of Investigation they spent millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hoursinvestigating supposed Trump Russia collusion finally the Democrats who are orchestrating the whole thing The DOJ announced, you know, actually there's nothing to this at all after thorough investigation. There was no Trump Russia collusion Sorry, our bad didn't happen and so then there was a report there was an investigation ordered by a guy named Durham and he is a he's an attorney with a DOJ and he was appointed to investigate where in the world, since there was no Trump-Russia collusion, nothing to it, where did it come from? How did this get started? And he reported finally last week, he released his report, 306 pages, I'm not through it all, but I will, but I will tell you that one thing he had to say, the top points, which are simply mind-blowing, one was there was no basis at all.That's what he concluded. There was no reason for the DOJ to even think that there was Trump-Russia collusion there was nothing to it. I mentioned to you before we started today. Peter that the British intelligence, when the DOJ shared the information with British intelligence and said look this is what we're looking into we think that Trump colluded with the Russians. It was literally the you know, kind of,It was a massive eye roll and utter dismissal the words were something like this is it that's what you're going to investigate It was absurd. They literally on paper laughed at the DOJ for making this allegation So they figured out early on nothing to it the Durham report realized it points out there was nothing to it It also points out that our president Obama along with Joe Biden our current president along with Hillary Clinton, along with the head of the CIA, John Brennan, and every other major player who orchestrated and continued this push for the Trump-Russia collusion investigation.They all knew as of October 2016 that it was all made up. And if you didn't know who it was made up by, they knew, and the American people have known for a long time, made up by Hilary Clinton herself.Hilary Clinton, the Democrat candidate for president, and her law firm, Perkins Coie, They smear campaign firm. They hired cooked up. It was a complete campaign stunt, that was a Trump Russia collusion was and Hillary Clinton. I have clips of her galore, Blathering on and on complaining about Trump Russia collusion and she made it up, her whole team made it up. So part of what is now occurring in America is the Durham report is you know, Obviously the DOJ is corruption at the highest levels not one, DOJ attorney, not one FBI agent during the entire farce spoke up. No one said, you know, actually there's nothing to this. Actually Hilary made this up. Actually, there's no evidence at all no one did and so there's great concern and I support the idea that when we have sane people again running America meaning Republican controlled House and Senate and White House, There needs to be an actual dismantling of the DOJ and FBI has to be done carefully you can't have no federal law enforcement agencies but they have massive weeding out as needed because this is a culture of corruption. It goes beyond just I mean, This is a not just a culture of corruption It's a culture of thinking their job as the top law enforcement agencies in America, their job is to go after the political opponent that's what they thought their job was and I know this happened this investigation continued even when Donald Trump was president But you have to understand he can appoint the head of the agency. He picked made terrible choices in running those agencies andthose people were of the mindset as they had always been their leftist they are pushing the leftist agenda the Marxist agenda, Trump got in the way their mission from the time he came along was somehow find a way to destroy Trump, they're still doing it now in a variety of other investigations ongoing but this was really for many people an eye-opening time,more people need to wake up and realize the depth of corruption that just permeated DOJ FBI CIA NSA all of these top agencies that we not only pay with our tax dollars but we entrust them with a system of justice in this country and what they're telling us is the system of justice the rule of law is utterly gone. They are a witch-hunt mentality persecuting their political opponents.It's the same thing happening to the January 6th defendants, probably a topic for another day, but same thing they're doing and going after the documents at Mar-a-Lago when Biden had far worse documents and no authority, no even arguable authority to have them, but nothing happens to him.There is a massive double standard.It's worse than double standard.It's a persecution of political opponents and an absolute whitewashing of anyone who is of any wrongdoing, no matter what it is, if that person supports the leftist agenda in America.
I mean, is there a way through it? Because you talk about draining the swamp and that's about the political system in Washington, but you've touched on the FBI and the institutions.Then you look at the media, you look at the court system in Kari Lake's fighting there in Arizona, the whole issue of vote counting not being done properly.I mean, there are a range of issues. And I mean, what are your thoughts on,I guess it all boils down to a hatred and a fear of Trump, that he connects with people on a level that actually maybe America hasn't seen for quite a while and strikes fear into the heart of the Democrats and they will use any tactic to discredit him.Is there a way through using the system whenever seemingly so many parts of the system are set against Trump himself.
I'm sorry, you mean Trump getting back in the White House?
Yes, I mean that clash, because we've discussed some of the FBI adamant on taking Trump down.We've seen the media, we've seen so many, we've seen obviously the Twitter files beginning to come out.There are so many battles, and I wonder what your thoughts are on actually having a successful conclusion to a political vote system against all those different ideologies.Uh Peter that is the famous 64 000 question. In fact, you know, I had um show, people over on my show will stay after and talk and and you mentioned recently the Clay Clark tour the reawaken tour a common conversation, essentially is okay. We're all well informed. We understand, you know, Russian collusion Russian collusion was a hoax the borders unenforced. Covid was a hoax in terms of the way it was imposed on people and the common question people get is, well, who's going to be our leader?Who can be a leader to stand up, expose it all? And I do think the answer is Trump as to our presidential campaign, but really there's no one person. It is, this is a,to my view, this is a groundswell of the American people demanding a return of the rule of law in our country demanding a return to border and sovereignty to individual liberty. There needs to be a massive groundswell, because there is no one person is going to solve all these things. There are literally I will tell you I truly think a majority of Americans agree with most of what I'm saying. I think Americans know Americans know our country is corrupt, Biden did not win in 2020 everyone paying attention knows that he didn't win the election, Trump won the people overwhelmingly chose him but they wouldn't let him govern and so there's a groundswell that knows this and I think you do hear people expressing concern more and more.What are we gonna do to stop them? How can we make this leftist Marxist takedownstop and I don't think I mean and obviously people get a little concerned about whether, you know there would actually emerge within America a second Civil War and I hate that thought and I always say we got to find better ways to do it, but there need to be brave American people deciding that absolutely no matter what it takes I will stand up in my school board and my community about critical race theory and the transgender lunacy I'm going to insist that actual history of America is taught that American patriotism is taught as part of teaching about America. Their battles are at school boards. They are for election integrity We have not just a Donald Trump's election was stolen in 2020.Which is a whole other topic we could talk about sometime if you want. But there is massive election fraud in this country so we have to have just like in a real army where you send, you know One unit has to go fight at this shore and one unit has to fight on you know wherever else it is, at sea and one unit is defending. We have to, as Americans, decide we're going to take back this country. We're going to stand up for it. And you've got to find your lane and fight. It involves pressure on your elected officials. We in Texas, what Texas is often considered, you know, the leader of liberty in America, the most free state, the one that that loves American freedom.We could not get meaningful election integrity legislation passed in our legislature.So it takes massive citizen involvement. It takes elected officials afraid they won't get re-elected, afraid that their money will be cut off.It is a massive, I mean, it took the left, whatever you wanna call it, 80 or 100 years to get us to this point where America is at a tipping point.It's gonna take a while, but I do think, I think the ideas of America are right.I think they are God-given rights from the very founding. And I think the American people do realize that but it takes, we can't sit back and wait for the perfect politician to come along or the perfect leader of the movement. There are many many people speaking up and doing things that matter. Get on board with the thing that you care about the most as the presidential election, by the way I think unless they have massive theft Trump is going to win the primary. We have a primary and I think he's going to win the general as I will ask people I pose this at the close of my show yesterday with uh, Simone Gold was on who's a great American patriot.What happens in 2024?If it's again Trump versus Biden and again it's stolen and then they announced well, look at this as a matter of fact now we got 110 million votes for Biden and everyone knows it isn't true everyone what's going to happen then, What will happen to America then if you don't like that picture get in the fight now?
Debbie, I appreciate you coming on. We don't even have time to talk about immigration or the whole education side on those school boards meetings that we have certainly watched with jealousy, I guess, in the UK because we don't have that sort of thing. But I appreciate you coming on, Monday to Thursday at 3 p.m. I can just remind us where people can find you and what they can find.
Thank you so very much. My website is americacanwetalk.org we do run the show on the website and that is the safest place to go, americacanwetalk.org but we also put the show out on rumble which is out americacanwetalk I think it says America can we talk with Debbie Georgatos We put it out on Twitter and on Twitter I'm @DebbieCanWeTalk it's on every conceivable social media platform that exists includingTrump's truth social also say Trump social truth social. It's not on YouTube because sadly I was permanently banned from YouTube.For putting a doctor on the show who pointed out that ivermectin is really effective to deal with COVID. That was that actually and so I am permanently banning YouTube and until someday that can be rectified I won't be there, but everywhere else you can look and the show is called America Can we talk if you just start even typing in on your search bar America Can we talk?Debbie G because you probably cannot pronounce my last name which is for Georgatos, but Debbie G it will come up I'd love to have you listen like the page come to the page read our blogs I just I love and I say it since I've been doing public speaking for 10 years. I love the American political conversation. It's part of the idea of freedom that you can talk about issues and share facts and listen to other people. That's what that's a robust idea the First Amendment and we need to reclaim that because among many other things happening in America there is a very much censoring your freedom of speech in this country, which is utterly inconsistent with the idea of America
Debbie I appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts on American exceptionalism and sharing what people can find on American we talk So thank you so much
Peter thank you for having me. It's just great to see you great to be on your show. Thank you so much.