Hearts of Oak Podcast

Dr Clare Craig - EXPIRED: The Untold Story of COVID, Media Attacks and Questioning the Existence of Viruses

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Dr Clare Craig has become known to many of us over the last 3 years for her medical wisdom and common sense shared on her Twitter account. For 15 years she worked in the NHS so her subsequent time in pathology and clinical data puts her in a perfect position to make sense of the Covid data bombarding us all. Clare joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her first book that was recently published titled 'Expired: Covid, the Untold Story'. She goes through 12 beliefs or assumptions we were all told as fact which she debunks in a clear and systematic way before discussing the media attacks which she has faced, including from so called 'friendly' media.We finish by looking at a new train of thought, that maybe viruses don't even exist, and Dr Craig eloquently puts forward the case to dismantle this argument.
Dr Clare Craig BM BCh FRCPath studied medicine at Cambridge University moving to Oxford for her final three years of clinical training. After qualifying she practised in the NHS for 15 years specialising as a diagnostic pathologist and becoming a fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. Subsequently she was the day to day lead for pathology and clinical data in the cancer arm of the 100,000 Genomes Project and worked in A.I. cancer diagnostics.From May 2020, she has worked full time, pro bono, on covid research, distilling the evidence for a lay audience. Since January 2021 she has co-chaired HART with Dr Jonathan Engler. HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team) is a multi-disciplinary body of experts who have provided an independent source of information on covid issues. Despite attempts to smear her (supported by government) she has continued speaking out and remained a consistent voice of reason and calm throughout the covid era.
'Expired: Covid the untold story' available from Amazon in paperback, audio-book and e-bookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C9FNHYTV/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
Connect with Dr Craig...TwitterX:         https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath?s=20HART Group:  https://www.hartgroup.org/
Interview recorded 19.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Clare Craig. 
I had the privilege of meeting Clare at a Workers for England Union conference earlier this year and she has for the last three years spoken boldly truth on COVID and on Twitter.Not one of her impersonators is the tagline and she's obviously got a medical background, studied Oxford, Cambridge, 15 years in the NHS and she joined us to talk about a book she has just had published her first book, Expired, Covid the Untold Story, and she goes through 12 of the lies, the myths that we were given, and systematically takes those apart. Very well written. And then we look at HART, the Health Advisory and Recovery Team that she has co-chaired since the beginning of 2021, why that's needed, the attacks they have had from the mainstream media, but also more surprisingly the attacks from the so-called friendly media, those that supposedly were on side with us, that often are the most vicious. 
Dr. Clare Craig, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for joining us. 
(Dr Clare Craig)
Thanks for having me on Peter.
No, great to have you on and can I just point out that she is not one of her impersonators. Do you know that tagline, that stuck with me and I knew what your tagline was before I knew who you were and I kept saying, what's this not one of her impersonators? Who is this person and then I delve deeper. So I love that little tagline you have on it.
Actually, my daughter persuaded me to remove it this week, so why do you say that, it's so embarrassing.And actually I haven't had an impersonator for a while, so I did take it off this week, so now I'm just me.Just you, all good, all good. And obviously, @ClareCraigPATH on Twitter, the best place to find you and then all the links out from there. And your background, obviously medical, studied medicine at Cambridge University before moving to Oxford. You were in the NHS 15 years, and then you worked a lot on the cancer side. That's possibly for another time. That's an intriguing side, just that, but we'll park that aside. We're going to get on to your book, which has just come out at the end of last month, expired. Get on to heart why, that was started, what that's for and then a couple of the stories that you have been highlighting as you have been doing for the last three years. But Claire if I can ask you first, just give us a little bit of your background and also your medical background because that actually gives you the, legitimacy to write a book which you've written.Okay, so yeah I'm a fully qualified doctor, I qualified in 2000 and you know I was a junior doctor on the hospital wards back in the day, but I went and specialised in diagnostics because it always struck me that that was the most important thing really, you've got to get that bit right and I also never had enormous faith in all that pharmaceutical companies told me about their drugs, and didn't particularly want to be a drug peddler.So I went down the diagnostics route from early on. And also that fascinated me because you get the full breadth of medicine and you get all the kind of scientific backing of it.And so it really felt like the meat to me of the subject.And so when I first started down the kind of COVID path, it was with that diagnostics hat on.So it was in summer of 2020.And as somebody who knows about medical testing, there were issues that were really clearly going on with how we were testing for COVID in that period.And there were clearly testing errors being treated as if they were real disease.And I didn't have time to dig into it at the time. So I had been home-schooling four children.And then it was the summer holidays. And so during the summer holidays, I was like, I can't wait for them to go back to school because I really want to get some data out and have a look at what's going on here.And so it was September when I did. And what I tried to do was check that hypothesis that there was a problem by looking at whether the people who are being diagnosed or in hospital and dying with a COVID label in the summer had the same characteristics as the ones in spring.Because there were certain things about COVID that were quite unique, like it killed 60% men in the spring of 2020.And there were far more Black people in ICU. And there were more diabetics and hypertensive.And there's all sorts of things that tell you that this is COVID without the test.So you can compare those and see how well the test is doing.And so I did that and it didn't look like it was doing very well.And I thought, well, what do I do with this?And I wasn't on social media or anything like that, really not my cup of tea, that kind of thing, nor is being on these sorts of shows, by the way, but I'm doing it anyway.But that, so you've grown your Twitter to a sizable following really on the back of you speaking truth on COVID.Yeah, I've kind of just tried to do that and you know I have just told people what the evidence is showing and there does seem to be an appetite for that because it's not being provided by mainstream sources and yeah that really is all that I have done. It's been a very odd journey really, the whole social media thing, because I remember getting stage fright repeatedly at particular points. The number of followers would go up to a hundred and I'd think, oh god, now that feels like I'm speaking to a lot of people and then it'd be a thousand and I'd have the same thing and I'd just go quiet for a while. I'd hit each of the landmarks and then it got so big that I just couldn't actually visualize it anymore and then just carried on. But yeah, every now and again I do, I'm astonished by how many people are listening to what I'm saying.But it is a huge responsibility and I think all of us who are speaking out, you're speaking out, as a real expert, a true expert, but there are many commentators and we really do, you do others, you have a responsibility in what we put out because there are a lot of people watching that and observing and taking that as fact and that is, that is pressure. 
Yeah, absolutely and, you know I have made mistakes along the way and so I have tried to always acknowledge that but there's this awful thing that happens where, if you make a mistake, especially when it's something that, like the it's more likely to be a mistake if it's something slightly shocking, something surprising.So you'll make a mistake and that will go really far and then you'll try and correct it if it's wrong and then that doesn't get picked up and so there's always that it's really really difficult because you can't go wrong. If you go wrong you can't really pull it back and you know I've learned that lesson the hard way. I think I've touched wood, it's been a while since I made a mistake that I've had to try and pull back on. But I was doing that earlier on and, you know, had to really learn that the hard way around. And the thing is that I'm going to make mistakes, right? That's the problem. And that's the whole problem with the way that free speech is approached at the moment, is that people seem to have this idea that you should be allowed to speak as long as you get everything right.Well, nobody.That means that nobody can speak, because everybody knows they're going to make mistakes at some point about some things.And so as soon as you're told that you're going to be cancelled if you make a single mistake, then you're basically silencing everybody.Yeah, 100%. Before we get on the bit, what point was it? Many of us were looking on at the information coming out.At daily death totals and I'm trying to make make sense of it and I've always found intriguing talking to those in the medical community because I want to hear kind of where they came from, what they were looking at, what they were suspicious about, how they viewed it. What was it for for you? Was there a point where you thought, hmm, this doesn't seem right.
Yeah, so I was really bought into the whole thing in spring 2020, and I think that the Diamond Princess story stopped me worrying about me and my husband and my children, but I was still worried about the system collapsing, and I was still worried about my parents, you know, I was still watching BBC, looking at the counts. I remember that, I really vividly remember actually, the time when it was about to peak and like the amount it had risen each day had slowed and every day you'd kind of say well has it fallen yet, has it fallen yet, and there was about a week before the death toll finally fell. But in that period you know I was completely bought into the whole thing and worried about the staff on the front line, volunteered myself to help but was never contacted and really it wasn't until the summer and that sort of testing issue that I started to properly question what was going on and then having you know put my face and my name online saying there's a problem here, really naively I expected one of two things to happen I thought either they're going to say oh no no no you've got that wrong you've looked into it and it's x y z or they'd say, oh yeah, you're right, we'll see what we can do to fix it. I really thought those were the two scenarios I was facing. But what actually happened was that I got attacked, and people tried to cancel me and then other people got in touch and introduced themselves and said, actually, you know, I've had this concern about my area of expertise. And so I was then kind of thrown into this world of scepticism with a lot of people who sounded genuine but who were clearly minorities in their field, as no one else in their field was saying this, it was just a few of them, or just them. I thought, well I can't just believe all these people because that's not rational.And so I had to sort of go back to first principles and try to figure out what they they were saying each time.And it took ages. And I wasn't working, so I could do it.But I was literally all hours of the day trying to figure out what was going on.And I always said it took about six months to figure out what was really happening.But I mean, that's not really true, because I've continued to learn about it since.I mean, it's been a huge amount of work to try to figure out what's going on.And that was part of the reason for writing the book, actually was, if I've just gone through all this complexity to try to get a handle on it, other people can't be expected to do that, you know, I want a shorter journey for other people.And obviously a lot of people have taken that journey independently and are where we're at, But what I really wanted for the book was to aim for people who are at the beginning and want to, well not necessarily the beginning, hopefully appeals to everyone. I learnt loads writing it and I think there'll be, you know, I think even though you know loads about it Peter, I hope you'd enjoy reading it because there's brilliant stories in there, there are new little bits of information you might not know. But the style I wanted to write it in was to avoid anyone running away, sticking their fingers in their ears, feeling foolish. I didn't want any of that and ultimately there's some brilliant books already out there for our side of the argument.But the titles are very off-putting to say the least to someone who's on the other side.And there's a lot of anger, understandably, in those books. And to be honest, there's a bit of anger in my book, too.But I've tried to keep it towards the end. Because I think if you're going to explain to people what's happened, the problem we had when I started out writing this in 2001 is that when you were speaking to someone about it face-to-face, You might take some little part of the puzzle, and you would explain that to them, and they'd understand it.And then they would be in cognitive dissonance because it didn't fit with all the other parts of the puzzle as they understood it.And so next time you met them, you'd be back at square one. And so I thought the only way to actually teach people about this is to have their attention for a considerable period of time, because you have to explain all the different facets in order to understand the whole.And so that was why I thought I'm going to have to write a book because otherwise people won't get it.So the book isn't really, it's not my Twitter feed. It's not the kind of maths and graphs and science, but that I could have written.And maybe one day I will write because I wanted it to really have a purpose, which was to be able to, you know, get through to people who maybe just now starting to get curious, who just now the fear starting to ebb, they're able to actually think rationally again, I want to talk to them.Well, I'll bring it up. Obviously there have been so many. Some look at the political failure.Ed book looks at the excess deaths that's happening. Others look at the media.Laura Dodsworth book looking at how fear was used in the media. And there are so many aspects of it.Here is, let me bring up, here is Expired, COVID, the untold story.And it's a large book. How, so you spent quite a while, I assume, working on it.What was that like? I've never written a book. I've talked to others who, big things have happened and they said, I have to put pen to paper and I have to put my thoughts down.Did you ever feel you were never going to get it finished because there's so much to cover?What was your kind of, was a narrow focus? Did that become wider?Were you concerned you, you know, you never get to covering everything?What was it like for you as someone writing the first book?So, I mean, all of the things that you just said, really. So, I set out to take each of these beliefs around COVID and start with where people were at and explain to them why they believe what they believed and then sort of show which parts of that story aren't very true.And I kind of came up with quite a few beliefs because there are all sorts of beliefs around COVID that are flawed.And then I thought, actually, that's not going to really be enough.So what I need to do is also explain to people, the psychology of belief, why we believe what we believe, what we take on trust, why we change our mind, how important authority is, how important fear is, because otherwise you haven't really understood why you've believed it all.So I put that bit in. And then it became also a little bit about sort of almost pseudo-religious aspects of it, the way we have these false prophets and the high priests and Puritans with their zero COVID claims.And so there was that theme running through it too.And actually at one point it was, got really too big.And so I pulled out the vaccine. I just thought, right, let's just do a book about the virus and how it spreads.And so the vaccine is gonna be book two and the treatments and the origin.So all the kind of slightly meatier topics. And actually the book two is also more about the witch hunts. And it's just like it's step two of the whole thing. So step one is the mild introduction version.And then it really ramps up. And so having done that, it was a more reasonable size.And then it sort of grew again.And so what was helpful about it taking? It really did take a lot of work.And I read loads of nonfiction.And whenever I read a nonfiction book, I always think, wow, that must have been so much work to do.And it is. It's so much work to do. But what I was hopeful about taking a long time is thatIt didn't change. So, you know, I'd written this story, I've explained everything in this way, and you think, well, over time, other things might be revealed, which would mean that you, might have to rewrite bits, or you might have emphasised things wrongly, and it didn't change.That was really reassuring, that after sitting on it, well, it wasn't sitting on it, but you know, after the editing and the typesetting, all the processes you have to go through, I didn't feel like it needed to be changed. It's the same story it held for that length of time. And, you know, it's also a brilliant reference book. So whilst doing it, it was really helpful to me because I knew where to go for all the different key bits of information because it was all there and referenced in the document I was working.
You go, you break down, you go through different, you call them beliefs.And you say, well, this is one belief and wasn't correct.COVID only spread through close contact or COVID would likely kill me or everyone's susceptible.And you go through each of them and disprove it.You even say, how does Scientists get things wrong? Wow, that's a break with tradition in this day and age where everything we are told from someone who has an educational background must be true because they've learned it in a university somewhere.What, as you were going through, tell us about, yeah, putting all those in and how you, I guess, how you went about refuting it because it is, we've all had these debates with friends, family, colleagues, and sometimes you feel as though you're hitting a brick wall And they're just saying, but the BBC told me.And you're like, no, let's think through. How did you feel just trying to break down these positions and nullify each of them.So, I mean, this was, like, the thinking behind it, I can't say this all 100% mine.You know, I've been talking to people about this stuff for a long, long time, and, you know, the people in HART in particular, and trying to figure out what was going on.And that took us on all sorts of different journeys. So sometimes where we ended up was in the history books 100 years ago, we're thinking, well, where did this come from, this idea?So the idea, say, of asymptomatic transmission.That's been around a long time, and it's never been based on anything more than it was a really good explanation for why some of the other myths don't look right in the real world.So there was this guy called Charles Chapin, who was a public health officer in Providence in Rhode Island.And he wrote a book in 1910, which became the textbook of public health medicine.And sure, he's a perfectly pleasant guy, but it's quite clear from his writing that he's got an issue with germs.He talks about how he has to touch things that people have touched on public transport, and the windowsills are all dirty, and people lick the pages of a book he might touch.So he's got this real issue with it.And he is absolutely passionate about close contact transmission.And he's passionate about it because he's living in an era where there's still a bit of a hangover from miasma theory.So the germ theories won the argument 50 years before him. And the miasma theory was discredited and was over.But people still talked about things being spread through the air.And they talked about, he calls it the sewer gas fogie, this idea that the smells from the sewer have got disease in them and you want to avoid it.And he thought this was completely wrong and that it was only spread through close contact for every disease except TB.He had an exception for TB because people had done this experiment where they put hamsters in cages at the top of a TB ward and the hamsters caught TB.So he thought, well, we'll exclude TB, but he basically grouped every other infectious disease, the same. So TB was different, but everything else must spread the same way.And he talks about mouth spray and how it's coming out in mouth spray.And so you have to be in close contact to somebody for a spread to occur.And he did some good things. Well, probably did some good things.So one of the things that made him so passionate about this was that there was evidence at the time that in infectious disease wards in the hospital, if you separated the beds a bit more, disease spread less in that ward.And so he thought, well, this is proof that it must all be from bodily fluids.And therefore, you know, we've got to really, we've got to make sure people are all doing this.And so that's what he was really evangelical about. And I think probably he was right that spreading out the beds reduced infection in hospitals.But it wasn't because of mouth spray. It was because of a variety of reasons, depending on the disease.And for respiratory diseases, it was largely because aerosols are at a much higher concentration than they are to a person that you are. But they can spread a long, long way.And anyway, so he had this theory. He wrote up his book. And towards the end of the book, he says, well, the real problem with my theory is influenza, because we know that it appears overnight, just rapidly, all across the world.And we get these massive surges that are too fast for it to be spread person to person.So he said, the only way to explain this is a symptomatic transmission.It must be that all of these people that are apparently healthy are the ones giving it to you.And then, at the end of the book, he says, probably wrong on most of this, but you know.So he kind of does this disclaimer where he says, obviously, this is just based on what we know today.There's bound to be more that we find out along the way.And I'm very happy to keep learning and accept that some of this is going to be wrong.And that bit obviously always gets completely ignored. And everyone bought into the close contact spread idea and bought into the asymptomatic transmission idea.And it doesn't really seem to have been questioned properly since.And the close contact transmission story has been questioned a lot by physicists who do work on aerosols.So often they were experienced in air pollutants and how they move.But the physics is the same for aerosols from people. And so they knew all about how aerosols could spread and how they'd go long distances.And we're saying this at the beginning of the pandemic, as it were, inverted commas, and they were shut down and ignored.They were called misinformation spreaders by the WHO. And what's interesting about that particular group though, is that they have always tried to go along with the narrative. So that they would always, in their writing, they'll say, well, we know that it's not droplet spreading it, which masks might be able to stop because a big droplet of saliva would be stopped by a mask.We think it's aerosols, but that means you need to mask more with better masks.So they kind of use that, I think. Well, I don't know if it's deliberate or subconscious, and maybe they do believe it.So that's a way in to the medical literature, is to say what your findings are, and then you sort of recite the scriptures of the public health high priests, and then you get published.It's ridiculous, but if you look at it, you can see that this has happened again and again throughout the last few years, where people will show a result that actually contradicts the scriptures, but in the abstract introduction and the discussion, they'll repeat the scriptures, and then they get published, and then they're through.And so that's what these people were doing as well, but I think they do believe it because they continue to talk about the importance of respiratory masks to reduce aerosol transmission.But do you think, so looking at this, usually with any business you assess what you're doing, you assess your relationship with the customer, you assess how you're growing and you keep looking at that and want to do things better and you get rid of things that aren't working. My huge worry, is that no one in position of authority seems to have learned anything. No one is willing to say actually we really screwed up on this in this area or that area. It's no no no we we did our best and if something happens again we'll probably do something similar. How is it that those in authority, I mean the medical, media, government. They're not learning from mistakes. It's weird.It's very, very weird. So they sort of do these kind of goalpost shifts, don't they?So with the vaccine, the goalpost was, well, it starts off with, we're going to get herd immunity and COVID is going to go away.And I think that was said repeatedly by all sorts of people.That was how it was sold at the beginning.And that was a justification for no one is safe until everyone is safe, which actually that phrase is still being used, still up on the WHO website.And then the evidence came out that actually that was not the case.These vaccines do not stop infections.And so they started saying, well, but they stop hospitalisations and deaths and emphasise that more.But at no point have they said, no, they don't stop infections.And so we still, and even in June, the Department of Health was still pushing adverts, last chance to get your first dose aimed at people like me who haven't had one.Because for good reason, and it's not bad to go and get one, but the reasoning can only be, to stop an infection. And they're still now justifying giving it to children, because the child lives with someone who believes that they are at risk. That's frightening. That's completely unethical and yet that justification is ongoing. But in the meantime, we've had good evidence since that actually it's worse than nothing. It's not that it's not stopping infection, the people who've had the most doses are the ones most likely to be infected.And that message is obviously being massively suppressed, but there's good evidence for it.And where there was sort of public health data sources that were showing this shifting trend that with Delta, the infections did appear to be more in the unvaccinated relatively.Over time that reduced, reduced, reduced, and then it went the wrong way and it became more in the vaccinated.And then that data source got pulled and that happened again and again across the world.And those data sources have not been put back up.And you think, well, what are we meant to think about that, guys?That's just the biggest signal that there's a terrible issue going on here.And so they might suppress this big, cleave-in study with 45,000 health care workers being tested repeatedly.Which clearly shows a dose dependency.But if they're not showing the real-world data either, you're like, well, you're just hiding this problem that you've created now.And we don't know where that problem's going to go. We don't know what that means longer term.And there seems to be a belief that almost everybody holds at the moment, which might well be right, that COVID's basically over now.It's done. But I am not 100% sure that is right. So if you look at wastewater sampling, which is obviously are pretty, that measure isn't affected by how often people are tested and all that kind of thing.It's just a straightforward measure over time. And it's starting to creep back up in the southern states of the USA, which at this time of year start to get COVID again.And it may be that it'll just come and go, but I'm not completely convinced by this story that everyone's had it.We're told repeatedly everyone's had it, based on blood donor samples, looking at antibodies, and they say, well, you know, we've traced it all through, and we've seen it rise and rise and rise, and now everybody's had it.But I'm not very sure that that data is right, because when you ask people, which I've done repeatedly, albeit on Twitter, but you know, samples of 20,000 people, and I've done it over time, every few months, and I'm always getting around the same answers, and it changes over time.But we're still at a point where about 40% of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people say they've not had this thing. You think, well that's a huge chunk if we're, you know, if it's working its way through the population, we've got some way to go yet.Where does that put the public in terms of trust in the health profession, because nowI think actually I really don't want to go and see my doctor.Not that you can anymore, because you have to go through four phone calls and have a full assessment by some person somewhere before you even see a doctor, but that's a separate issue.Simply, I think that if I go and see my doctor, all they're going to do is give me a load of drugs that they're probably making money on. And it's the last place. I mean, anyone who tells me that, oh, yes, you're sick because you don't have any symptoms.So if you have no symptoms, that means you're sick. That's great. Or because you've had a a box that's made in China and therefore that tells you, I mean it's, we used to not trust when I said made in China, now actually we have trusted our lives literally with that. But what from your assessment is, as someone who has worked in the health industry all your professional life, what's the damage this has done to the profession and to doctors and to the public going to see their medical professional. 
So for a long time I was really distraught about the damage this had done to the medical profession and the inability of my peers to see it. They couldn't see the harm that they each individually were causing and that's the thing isn't it, that because they're in the majority, because they're in the group, they sort of think, well I'm I'm doing the right thing.It's not me. It's not on me, any of this.But of course it is, because you didn't speak out. You didn't say the difference.You didn't show. You didn't question it. You didn't speak to your colleagues and say, we can't be doing it like this.Anyway, over time, I've come to not only be reconciled with the loss of trust, but actually, I see it in a completely different way.I think there was too much trust in doctors. There was too much.And I absolutely think that every patient who's properly sick needs a doctor that they can trust, a trusting relationship with their doctor.And that's absolutely what I would want if I was sick.But I think that trust has to be earned. And it shouldn't just be there just because of a white coat.That's not a good place to be. Because when you're acutely ill and anxious, of course, you want to just be able to put all of your faith in medicine.But that isn't probably where faith belongs. And, If it means that people are a little bit more questioning, a little bit more careful, a little bit more cautious about the advice, wanting to check what it really means and understand it for themselves, a little bit more careful about preventing having to ever see a doctor, if you can do all those things to keep yourself healthy so that you're not in front of a doctor.Then actually that's a good thing.I think all of those are good things. And I think as a society we perhaps have become more unhealthy because of this faith in the medical profession, being able to just solve all your ills. And very often in reality, I mean medicine's done some brilliant stuff. I mean I'm a really big fan of some aspects of Western medicine. We have testicular cancer used to kill young men and now almost all young men, if they're diagnosed early enough, they're going to be cured. It's a brutal treatment, but they get to live the rest of their life. And that's a phenomenal thing that is a really exciting achievement of the way that science has developed and taught us things. So I'm not anti-medicine in any way. But on the other hand, I know lots of people who take far too many drugs. And doctors are not very good good at stopping people taking drugs.And my father is one of the people that it brings to mind. But he actually died last year.But in the lead up to his death, it felt like he was consuming more pharmaceuticals than food.It was just the balance was completely wrong. And I'd been fighting for some years to get him off certain drugs that clearly weren't appropriate.And I couldn't get the doctors to stop it. And I didn't want to be the one that stopped it.His relationship was with his doctor, not with me.And I think he was sceptical about some of them, too, but didn't want to rock the boat.And that's not healthy, right? We need to have a medical profession that thinks as often about stopping this into starting them. because...That every medicine has a side effect, you know, they all have side effects and some, you know, if you get the dose right, hopefully it makes not much difference, but over time you might find that a side effect becomes a problem and then you're going back to the doctor and you're getting a drug to treat the side effect and these quickly enter a bit of a vicious cycle that we need to avoid if we want to have a healthy population.Can I, I want to ask you about HART, Health Advisory Recovery Team that you have co-chaired since the beginning of 2021 and I'm sure writing this book will not do your medical career in the UK any good and I'm amazed at people's willingness to speak truth despite the personal cost it is for them and I know to people like you I think wow if only we had more people like yourself in all different fields who would actually stand up and speak what they believe is right as opposed to following the line. But tell us about HART. I've read a lot of the information HART has put out.Is that a collection of those working in the medical profession that are questioning? Just tell us about that and what people can find on the website.So HART is a group of professionals but we're not all medics by any means.We've got other healthcare professionals including lots of psychotherapists who you know obviously they were very, concerned about the fear propaganda and the impact that everything's had on mental health. But we've also got other professionals including economists and ethicists and lawyers and all sorts of skill sets, because really it's not about just medicine.And so a good chunk of those people were speaking out independently and were being dismissed as being outliers or lone wolves and attacked as individuals. And so the person who set it up said, we've got to bring you guys together so that you can't be attacked like that and that you're speaking as one, which is why we did it. And we actually started off authoring different articles. We started off with a big review of the evidence, sort of going through different aspects of the narrative that didn't make sense based on conventional science.So there's something very interesting about how this played out in that if you have something new discovered in science.What happens is that the person with this sort of new hypothesis will say, Look now, I found this thing.And they might have to argue their case against the sort of established authorities who've got their evidence base where that didn't fit.So you've got this sort of new thing, new evidence up against the old guard and this old body of old beliefs.So that's where the battle lies. But with Covid, we had the authorities taking on a new belief system.And so in HART, we had the whole body of established scientific knowledge that we could rely on to say, well, this is actually what's going on.And so that's what was happening. It's we were writing based on decades of knowledge, saying, well, what they're saying there isn't right.And so what the benefit of that was, that a year on, we went back to that evidence review and we said, which of it did we get wrong? Because it's been a year, we've bound to got some of it wrong.Let's go back and review each of those things and update it.And when we did that, there wasn't very much we'd got wrong at all, because it was just common sense and broad understanding of how the world works compared to some really very strange new beliefs that had been introduced but had been bought by the whole population.So from that, we went on to writing weekly bulletins. So we've kind of tried to give an evidence-based review of things that have been happening in the world that mainstream media aren't covering.Largely around COVID, almost entirely around COVID.And so we have now this huge, this website's full of information, which again stacks up over time. You know, it hasn't really, all of it still works. And there was a time, in fact, it was in the summer of 2021, when we were quite badly under attack.And I had already been attacked brutally back in January 21 by Neil O'Brien, who was an MP.And at the time, he was a minister in the Justice Department.And he did this sort of Twitter shaming of me, where he pulled out tweets that I'd said and was essentially saying, oh my god, she said this. Look at this. She said this.And for some of them, I'd got it wrong. And so by all means, tease me, shame me. I made a mistake.But for quite a lot of them, I was just stating facts. I was saying things like the number of A&E attendances in this period was less than the period the year before.And that was something that didn't fit with what you'd expect, because that was during January 2021, when we were in the middle of the COVID wave.We're going to get overwhelmed. And so somebody who was reading the BBC and thinking we're about to be overwhelmed might read that and think, well, that's not true. It can't be true.But it was true. It was true. And I was being shamed by a minister saying, oh, my God, she said this. Can you believe it? What is this person? Call yourself a doctor.She's saying there's fewer attendances.There were fewer attendances. So it's a bit hard. It's really odd to know how to defend yourself.When someone's like calling you out for telling the truth, what's the defence there? Anyway, so that happened. And then in the summer of 2021, HART were using this kind of conversation software. So we were sort of sharing conversations with each other online, and it got hacked.So we were sort of illegally hacked, and the content of those conversations were shared.And within 24 hours of being hacked, a company called Logically AI contacted us and said, we're about to publish all of your chat logs, do you want to, you know, write to respond as if they're, as if they're journalists, right?So you're like, oh my God, what the hell is this? And we did actually give a response and they did print that response.But it turns out this company was a tiny setup that was formed by a 27 year old on his own who's still the only named shareholder director in the company, was given 1 and 1⁄2 million pounds by the government.And this is what they did. And if you go back now, actually, I just wrote an article recently for HART.You can find it on the website, where I went back to reviewing what they said about us in June 2021.And basically, the way they were trying to smear us was saying, these people say lockdowns don't work.These people say masks don't work. So they were literally saying that because our beliefs, well, our knowledge was conflicting with their beliefs, that was enough to be smeared.And so I went through in the Tweets and the article all the things that they were using to discredit us, to show that absolutely those have stood up over the course of time.And the one thing that was slightly more controversial was the last one, where people in the HART chat group we've been having a conversation abouthow certain people after their injections seem to have magnetism in their arm at the injection site and that sounds bonkers but actually there was really good evidence of that and people didKind of Vox Pox type videos where they were out in the street with people, complete strangers, asking them if they've been vaccinated and trying it out and half the time there was nothing there at all. But, you know, like 40% of the time, these magnets were sticking and you could feel the pull and it wasn't just, you know, it was only in that particular point in the arm, it wasn't in the other arm, it wasn't sweat, it was really clearly there was something going on there. But, you know, that is obviously quite an odd thing to be talking about. And we talked about it in the chat log in private saying, what do we do with this? What do you think about this? Because actually, that's how science works. You get to discuss things. And we didn't talk about it in public. But I did in this article that I just wrote just now, because I think this was a real phenomenon.I don't think it was microchipping and all that nonsense that people sort of, you know, but I do think it was a real phenomena. And the fact is that.So some, although we don't know all because it's all secretive, but some of the manufacturers who are making this product use magnetic beads to separate out the nucleic acid.So what happens is you have all sorts of stuff, sort of cellular machinery that's being used to make the product, and you have to go through purification steps along the way, otherwise you're gonna be injecting all sorts of gubbins.And so one of the ways to purify is to use magnetic beads that have antibodies on them that hold on to the bits that you're trying to separate out.And then you wash them clean.And then you use electric forces to get the magnets to release it.And then you've got what you need. But we know now that there were all sorts of contaminants in these vaccines. So we have DNA from the bacterial plasmids of being used that got into the vaccines.There's endotoxin from bacterial cell walls that seem to have got into some of the vaccines.So the idea that these magnetic beads never made it, never got sucked out along with the rest, is just, of course, they would have done sometimes.And so we can't prove how many of the manufacturing lines had magnetic beads.But the idea that some people have magnetic beads in them, having been injected with something that wasn't very pure, Yeah, I completely buy that.Yeah, that whole thing on different batches is a massive area.And just two things I want to ask you, one was the attacks.You've had friendly fire attacks. I mean, that article spiked, I think, that had issue.And the attacks are either calling you out for speaking truth or throwing names at you.Those are the two tactics, the truth. Yeah, that is what I said, or you're anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, whatever it's going to be.Has that surprised you, coming from angles that you think, actually, I thought we were kind of on the same side here.
I've never been called a flat earther. But yeah, I do get called things by people who were supposedly on the same side as me.And probably not as much as some people, because I kind of don't do anything dramatic ever.So I never quite get the same attention that some of them.I mean, I don't know if this is right, right? I'm not criticizing here. I really strongly believe that having a whole range of voices over a spectrum of beliefs is what free speech is about, and it's really, really important that all voices are heard. But my voice is a bit boring.You know, if there's a sort of level of evidence that you've got, you've sort of got a bar, and I will always go a bit below that bar to say, well, this is what we know.
We have some flamboyant characters who engage in this, I know.
Particularly, it's really interesting, the kind of cultural divide with the US.Because the US always, they go a bit above the bar.And I don't think that that's wrong. I think that's just a cultural difference.In the UK, you say, we've got proof of sort of this. And you under-exaggerate, and people believe you.Whereas in the US, if you're not going over the bar, they think you're talking about something else, because they have that, they just that's how they communicate about risk and about harm. And anyway, so there is that difference. But I have these days, the attacks I get it's friendly fire, it's all aroundthe virus not existing. So there's a lot of people who think that there is no such thing, and I'm not one of them and they get upset by that and you know I think they've probably been shut down more than most and I don't think that's helpful. As I said I think it's really important to hear all voices, but I'll just go through the arguments for why I think virus exists, if you like.So, I believe there was a new illness with characteristic symptoms. They're not completely unique symptoms, because there's only so many symptoms a body can have, right, but they're fairly characteristic. So, actually, one of the polls that I did was trying to work out, you know, who's who's had this thing, and I was talking to people who think they'd had it before testing was widely available, and comparing their answers to people who had it when testing was widely available.And basically, you could tell you had it because of how long it lasted, and because even if you didn't have characteristic symptoms, someone else who cohorted around the same time as you did. And, you know, so there were ways of telling without any testing at all whether or not, you'd had it and I've had it and I've had some weird symptoms. I had eye pain, I couldn't look sideways without my eyes really hurting and actually that's other people have reported that as well. So you know I think you can kind of tell if you've had it. So I think there was this disease with characteristic symptoms and I think it would have been noticed regardless but it would have probably been called a nasty flu if we'd had no molecular biology. And we know that there were instances of spread where groups of people caught it at the same time as each other in a particular place.So there was some kind of environmental factor that is responsible for the symptoms, right?And then we know that these people with these symptoms that caught at the same time as each other, are much more likely than other people to have this particular sequence of RNA when you test their orophants, right?And the sequence of, you know, the testing's not perfect, but the chances of these people testing positive compared to random people is massively different. So there was definitely something there and it's a very specific sequence.And then these same people also test positive for the proteins that that sequence produces.So you can say, well, look, you know, this is the sequence that codes for these proteins and that these people also have these proteins in them.And then they develop antibodies to those proteins over time, right?So you've got a whole sequence of things that say there is a virus.All of that to me says there is a virus.Now.The no virus people seem to be in various different camps, so some of them seem to think there's no viruses at all ever, which is ridiculous, because we've got biological systems which work based on replication of nucleic acid, and any system that's working based on, code is going to be susceptible to viruses, because why wouldn't there be a virus that can interact with that code? It's almost that's the harder thing to believe, is that you could have a system like that where there isn't such a thing as a virus. Now where I have some sympathy with the no virus people is that there are bits of evidence that don't completely fit with this narrative of scary virus out to get us, breathe it in, you get sick, you know there's all sorts of aspects of that that are wrong. So part of it's around the fact most of us aren't susceptible to any one variant, and parts of it's around the fact that our immune systems are developed such that they learn from other foreign material what apparently novel things would look like because it's only ever looking at shapes, it's not ticking off nucleic acid sequences on a list.And one of the things that I have sympathy with them over is that if you look at hospital COVID.You could come up with, based on the narrative, you'd come up with this theory.You'd say, OK, so we had this disease in the community.And over time, there'll be, after it's peaked in the community, you'd expect to see a peak of people coming through A&E, which is what happened.Coming through A&E, also testing positive, because they've been sick in the community and they've now got so sick they've got to come to hospital.And then you're going to have, after that, a peak of people in hospital who are breathing out the virus.And so the peak of people catching it in hospital should be after that.You've had a peak of virus, and then you get a peak of people who've caught it in hospital because you've got that sort of incubation period of a few days, and then it would all die away.But when you look at the data, that's not what happens.So what actually happens is that the peak of people testing positive in a hospital setting happens at the same time as it happens in the community.So there's something that's causing people, whether they're in hospital or in the community, to be susceptible in this wave-like manner that peaks and falls.And then some people get really sick following that.And I'm not suggesting the hospitalized population only had as much COVID as the community.They didn't. They had substantially more.But there you've got people who are, their immune systems, you know, are either very busy with something else or really not working very well at all because they're sick people. So of course you have a higher rate of spread among sick people than you do in the community. But the point is that there is something causing waves of susceptibility that we don't understand. And this has been talked about for a long, long time, but never really acknowledged. So there's a GP called Dr. Hope Simpson who worked in the, well, in the 30s, he set up as a GP and shortly afterwards, he turned his cute little Cirencester cottage, this 18th century cottage, into the epidemiological centre for influenza research.Well, I can't remember the exact title, but he gave it this very, very impressive sounding name.And he studied influenza and he studied it in a really holistic way.So he's got all sorts of evidence based on old parish death records going through his local area, what happened over time.And a lot of his work was based on people developing antibodies to influenza.And he showed that only 10% to 15% of people are susceptible to any wave.And he talked about this susceptibility. And he called these surges and what happened after them.He said that they were caused by a seasonal trigger. And I think that's a really useful term because there is a seasonality to it. It doesn't mean it's once a year, but there is definitely a predictable timing of these seasonal triggers.But we don't know what causes them. And actually, one of the things he reports in his book on influenza is that when you're working in a lab with animals on influenza and you're trying to infect the animals, and people have done this with all these careful experiments where they're looking at different temperatures and humidity and other environmental factors.And what they find is that, regardless of those factors that they're controlling carefully in their experiments, it's much easier to infect them in the winter.Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it? There's something going on there that we don't understand.And I think that the way the susceptibility isn't just around how likely you are to catch it.I think it's also how sick it makes people. Because we saw that the hospital fatality ratio, which was hard to measure at the very beginning because there wasn't as much hospital testing.But over time, by the time you get to April, May, there was actually plenty of hospital testing.And you see it fall quite dramatically, and then rise again with the next wave and fall again.You think, well, there's something to that, that there's more than.And it kind of makes sense to have.It makes sense of a lot of things, because we know that we've got variants in the community now.And we've had them every summer and yet it doesn't spread.And so, well, you know, how come this one that was around all summer not spreading.When people suddenly become susceptible to in the autumn and the winter, I think, why were none of them catching it in the summer? You know, it was around. And, you know, I get the idea of the mass of the spread, that it might start off slowly. And then, but actually, when you do the maths, the timing is not like it would be with close contact spread. So the all the modelers at the beginning, when Neil Ferguson et al, when they looked at their models of, you know, this person gives it to this person, gives it to this person, then they were anticipating a peak in July of 2020. That's when it should have peaked. And so that's why they believed lockdown had worked, because it peaked earlier than that. But, you know, it peaked, it peaked at the time of year that these things peak. So it wasn't, and we've seen so many ways subsequently, haven't we, across the world, across years now. And in this country, we see peak deaths in January, in April, in July, and then in sort of end of October, beginning of November. And it's been like that, sometimes it's not every single one of those every time, but those are the times when it might peak.And so people, the fact that people still, after three years, are claiming that the earlier peak was to do with lockdown and the second peak was to do with vaccination. Wow, really? Really? And all the subsequent peaks were natural ones. But those two, those two were different.Yes, it's bonkers. And if I could just leave people with the book, Expired: Covid, The Untold Story, you can get it as a paperback, you can get it as an e-book, you can get it as an audiobook, and Dr. Clare Craig will read that to you. It is her herself, so that is an extra treat. I always love when authors put in the time, and there's a lot of time, talking to many of them, of spending hours and hours recording that. So Dr. Clare Craig, thank you so much for joining us today.It's been great having you with us. 
Thank you very much for having me, Peter.

Abi Roberts - Arrested for Swearing, Police Overreach and the COVID Inquiry Whitewash

Show notes and Transcript
Arrested for swearing? Yes. This is what happened to Abi Roberts as she protested outside the COVID Inquiry in London. Abi returns to Hearts of Oak to discuss exactly what happened. Why did she feel compelled to protest outside the COVID Inquiry and will it reveal anything or is it just another cover up? Under what law did the police officer arrest her? What powers do our police now have in the UK and is this the end of any free speech?Is swearing actually now prohibited or is it just illegal for Welsh comedians?Can we regain our freedom of speech or has this so called 'Conservative' government destroyed it? Tune in for Abi's analysis following her unexpected night in the cells. *Might contain swearing! 
Abi Roberts is a British stand-up comedian, writer and commentator and is proud to be a stone in the shoe of the cowardly bauble-chasers in politics and the media.All lovers of truth, liberty, free speech and the pursuit of justice for the crimes committed over the last three years, are welcome to her party.Abi became a professional stand-up in 2012, and since then has played some of the biggest clubs across the UK, and had several sold-out shows at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. She became a comedian because she wanted to write her own material and have the freedom to express her worldview – and make thousands of people laugh at the absurdity and wonder of life.  Abi’s stand up show Anglichanka, which was about living and studying in Russia, gained her several 5 star rave reviews and the show toured the UK. She was the first comedian to do shows in Moscow in both English and Russian, as Abi explains “My father was a spy… sorry, diplomat, so I went to the Soviet Union as a kid and then in the early 1990s I studied opera at the Moscow Conservatoire"Abi hosts a daily podcast and writes regular articles on her Substack.  
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Interview recorded 21.7.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up with Abi Roberts, who re-joined us.Been a while since she was last with us.And of course, I know many of you will have seen the video of her being arrested for swearing.So she just tells us what she was there for, the Covid inquiry, which is in effect a whitewash, a little spoiler for you.She discusses what was happening there, why she was there at the whole yellow board, what that's about.And then the police telling her she'd be arrested if she swore again.So she did. And she was arrested. How the police have the right to arrest anyone, we look at the legislation and the overreach they now have.She was held in a cell until the middle of the night, then released.Why on earth that would be done? So join us as Abi shares her story in her unique style.Abi Roberts, it is wonderful to have you back. Thank you so much for joining us today.
(Abi Roberts)
It's my pleasure, Peter, my pleasure. A lot's happened since I last saw you.
Lots. We're going to talk about Abi's campaign to make swearing legal again.So we'll get into all of that. For the viewers @AbiRoberts on social media, on Twitter, everywhere else, and her Substack, abiroberts.substack.com.If you don't get that, actually, just if you never signed up simply just to read her article, I think that's a great article on what happened to her as she swore and was arrested.It's a fantastic article, it lays it all out.So it's well worth signing up Substack for that, and then you'll see everything else.But can we start, Abi?I'm going to play one of the video clips that sets the scene and then we'll discuss why we're there, and how in their swearing is not illegal on the streets of Britain.So let's play this two minute clip.
(Video plays)
Police: 
You are perfectly allowed to protest, you are not allowed to swear in the street.
Abi: 
I'm not allowed to swear in the street? It's OK if our government commits democide, cos' that's what's happened.
So you're saying to me, swearing in the street is worse, is illegal, but it's legal to lock people in their homes, and give them, coerce them, you know I'm telling the truth.
Police: 
Madam, here's your warning.
Abi: 
Have you been coerced? 
Police: 
Swear again you're going to get arrested.
Abi: 
Swear again? Well fuck... fuck you. 
Police: 
You are under arrest for swearing  
Abi: 
You are joking, you are joking, you are joking.You've seen this and you're all complicit.You know and you're going to call me an anti-vaxxer.I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti-democide. You absolute bastards.You're arresting me for swearing, but you're not talking about democide that's been committed against the British people, lockdowns, gene therapies, how dare you.You're getting all this guys, this is Britain, this is United Kingdom.If you're not angry, there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you.Police: 
Can you stop swearing? 
Abi: 
If I stop swearing, am I allowed to talk about democide?Am I allowed to talk about crimes against the British people?Do you agree with the lockdowns?Do you agree that the British people, they knew that thousands, hundreds of thousands of people were going to die.They knew at the very beginning that the lockdowns were going to kill thousands and thousands of people.Are you getting this? Are you recording any of this? 
Police: 
Listen to me.
Abi: 
So you agree the British government...
Police: 
I'm not getting into that.
Abi: 
And all the politicians were against the British people?
Police: 
We can have a conversation.
Abi: 
Can we? 
Police: 
Yeah. All we wanted you to do was stay on that side of the road.
Abi: 
Are you getting this? I'm being arrested for swearing.
Police: 
Just listen to what he's saying. 
Abi: 
I am listening. This is the UK! How dare you!
(video ends)So, that's Abi in full flow. 
Good grief. You know what, Peter? I don't think I've seen that in full.I'm actually, I feel quite, do you know what? I'm going to say it.I feel damn proud of myself.If only there were more people that told it how it is. 
100%.
When, you know what I mean? And it's weird. I feel good. God, I've got kind of goose bumps because obviously it was all just happening kind of in the moment.And, but wow, it's weird, you know, it's almost like a lot of the, like a lot of the stuff I've been doing for two and a half, three years has led to that moment, if that doesn't sound too, like, I have a dream, you know, it's like one of those things where you, you prepare for these things all your life, in little ways, you know, saying, saying what you mean, what you feel, without being afraid, and truth.It's weird, pure truth, when you speak it to power, has a way of cutting through any fear that you may have. I didn't feel, I don't know if you saw in the clip, I didn't feel, looking back at that now, I didn't feel afraid at all of the consequences, you know? 
Well, let's, so there are two issues here. One is the issue itself, which is the the COVID inquiry whitewash, they should have just just given it a full title. And the second issue is police overreach.Maybe let's start at the first one. Why were you there that fateful day, Abi?
That fateful day on the grassy knoll, which I mentioned in my article because it was a little grassy bank where all the the photographers and well, I've got a new collective noun for journalists.It's a shame of journalists.I don't include some people, including yourself. There are some people that stay out of that collective noun, but let's be honest, most journalists are a shame.If you compare them to Woodward and Bernstein, you know, those guys with the Watergate scandal, they dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and dug and got their sources, cross-referenced their sources.You know, you've read, you know the story. What a disgrace the press have been.Anyway, back to the day. So I basically, I went down that Tuesday morning, the 27th of June to meet my good friend Francis O'Neill.Who I believe you know, he was with his Yellow Boards. They do so much great work, they're grassroots activists, so they stand on roads, on roundabouts, and actually they're getting more and more traction, you know, with all sorts of issues, including the COVID-19 vaccines and the ULEZ, all that kind of, basically, yeah, government and overreach. And it's really, they do great work. So I went down to meet him at Dorland House where this COVID UK inquiry, can I just say before I forget, I saw you talk to Steve Bannon about it, it was, this was a, I wasn't really in any place to kind of talk to many people, but I just wanted to say that in answer to Steve's question about is it a whitewash, it's worse than that actually, it's, if you saw Matt Hancock talking on that, he was actually interviewed that day, the day I went down, he said that he thought the next time the lockdowns should be harder, faster, stricter.And that they didn't act quick enough and strict enough.So actually, everything we've said, many of us have said for the last three years, has come true, which is that they're going to, they're trying to corral people into this way of thinking.So I would just like to make that clear that in a weird way, it's worse than the Watergate scandal because so many of the crimes that have been committed as people are off the charts. I mean, I've seen various people I respect very much, including Brett Weinstein on his Dark Horse pod, say that the Nuremberg Code has been violated purely by using coercion and lack of consent, including informed consent. I mean, it's very important that we get these specifics right. And regardless of what is in, this is the point that I make in my article that I made very clear, including to the police, that what's in these gene therapies, these so-called vaccines, is sort of a side issue. The crime is the coercion.And when people say, but I wasn't forced, well, yeah, but you were told if you don't get them, then you lose your job, you can't travel, you lose your friends. Do you see what I mean?If you look up the definition of coercion, it includes blackmail, force, vilification, being told, well, you're a bad person, blah, blah, blah. So it's very important that people understand this. So that's one of the reasons I went down, was because I felt so strongly.Matt Hancock was in there and people, American viewers who may not know and people from around the world of course who watch this, he was the health secretary during the time, during the 2020 and part of 2021 when the vaccine rollout happened. He was cheering for it, he was fake crying going I can't believe it, we've got this miracle cure that we're going to coerce into the arms of the British people, which is a disgrace in itself. So I went down, met my fellow yellow boards, got into a chat with a few people who were kind of lurking by the entranceway. It's in Paddington, by the way, guys, if anyone, again, not from the UK. Paddington is a kind of main part of London, West London. So this building is kind of on a thoroughfare, on a main road. And then there's a little entranceway where it's kind of, it's like an official building where they were doing the inquiry and by the entrance there was a little table with three people and again in my article.My Substack article I mentioned this, there were two, I think two men and a woman and they had this like, I thought well they're on our side, you know because they were standing outside, you know how you just, you assume, they looked like the kind of people who would have been on all the marches that I went on and the woman said, I said I'll presume we're on the same side and the woman pointed over to the road where the yellow boards were and said, the anti-vaxxers are over there. Well, Peter, and viewers who know me, the red mist descended. And I just, and I turned, and I said to them, I thought, well, I'm not going to go into the MRNA. I'm not going to go into the scientific detail about what's in these things, because that's model, it's confused people, including myself by the way, so I thought no I'm going to go for the moral argument, which is that the coercion, the lack of informed or consent, any other consent, meant that it was violating the Nuremberg Code.So serious crimes have been committed against the globe, you know, in 90 countries around the world.So we're talking about millions and millions and millions of people just with this one action by world governments. And I mean, I've made, I said it slightly less, it was a bit shorter than that, just for, I'm just, I'm expanding because we're talking. And then, so I said that to them, and then turn around and I said, and that's not conjecture, that's fact.That's fact. So I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm anti-tyranny, I'm anti, you know, as you saw in the video, anti-democide, anti-lies, anti-coercion, you know, all those terrible Free speech, you know, being a free individual, all those kind of terrible things which some people are for. 
But can I ask, because obviously the so-called, media on the right that supposedly stand up for free speech, all of that, who were silent for the vast majority and suddenly come out at the very end to say oh look we overspent a little bit on PPE, oh it's really naughty, or the government official got a contract for this, that's really naughty. I mean after you've gone through the last two and a half years of control. So they have, I don't think any of the mainstream media have even called this art as just a whitewash that will hide over everything, because even if you have government failings of spending or the control of cronyism, but it's much deeper than that.It's collusion with the drug companies. 
Oh, yeah, completely. It's collusion.
Is Hancock, the person who, because it seems so he's been thrown under the bus, kind of, although he'll get a lucrative media career.It's kind of, well, he did some things, but the rest of us, we carry on as normal.That seems to be how this will be the outcome.
Well, this is the crazy thing, is that Matt Hancock is, I mean, it's a bit like, I have compared much to people's disgust, what happened to us, to people around the world to the early 1930s in Germany.I make that comparison with no shame, because it's the truth, or you could compare it to the Soviet Union in the first part of the 20th century, everything that was going on there, or name any other regime where they use force, intimidation, segregation, all those kinds of things.So you're talking about, I mean, the reason that Matt Hancock is the poster boy is because there's always gotta be a poster boy for the, what's the word, I was going to say scapegoat, but he's not, he's just a criminal.He's a criminal that happened to be part of a criminal establishment. And I'm very careful by the way to not just to target the Tories because Labour...In fact, everyone in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and the monarchy, you know, and I'm talking, by the way, if you'd spoken to me in 2019, Peter, I would have been like, oh, well, you know, it's really lovely because we've got the two-party system, you know, we've got the lovely Queen, we've got the whatever, blah, blah, blah. Wow, have my eyes been opened?You know, it's not about believing in every single conspiracy theory that anyone utters. You know, I'm always, I'm very particular about, this is why I'm so focused on this one issue, which is the last three years, the lockdowns, especially the vaccines in inverted commas, because I feel that such a terrible crime has been committed by, and also let's not forget the United States, you know, and again, I had nothing but love for the States. You know, I was going to to live there before I met my late husband.So I was going to, I got my visa. I got my O-1, which is a person of exceptional ability.I got that visa. I was going to go, man. I was going to go in 2008.It breaks my heart when I look at New York, what they did to Broadway, the Broadway actors.They made them, they made them get jabbed to like, well, otherwise you just can't work.So you see these wonder people like guys like Clifton Duncan, who's on, he said, well, I'm out then, I'm out. You, this is my body.This is my, this is, you know, my holy, sort of God-given body, get away with that stuff.So the United States, particularly the Democratic, Democrat states, honestly, I never thought I would see America go down that path, but holy shit, balls, guys.I know many people watching will agree with me, Americans. Canadians did the same thing.It is quite astounding the level, and I think people need to be aware of this, the level, the comparator between the 20th century, the first part of the 20th century, with all the dictators, with all the tyrants that there were around and that political sort of shadow that was cast, the similarities that there are with today.Trudeau, Biden, that his administration, in fact most of Europe, many countries, you know Germany and Austria, they were, I mean Austria went full fascist and so did Germany.They fell back into their, those tropes and maybe it's because there were so many marches and that it didn't go quite as, well I was going to say far as camps, but then Australia did have camps, They had lockdown camps in, is it Hope Springs? Or Hope... Do you remember there's a place in Australia, like a really lovely nature reserve, where people would have just been lovely to hang out and people I'm sure watching maybe have been there. I've seen videos of a woman trying to climb over the wall. She's climbing over a wall like The Great Escape, you know, from the Nazi camp.And then she's got those guards who like tug her back down.And then these people sitting there going, doing their video diaries, going, well, I'm sitting here, it's been my fourth day in isolation or whatever, in my, you know, and I'm like, what the hell, what the hell is this?And the same with a friend of mine, a well-known actor, he had to, well, he got the vaccines to go and work in America and he had to stay in a hotel. This is when he travelled for like...Maybe like a week or something, but like in a hotel room with like just a balcony.And honestly, to watch his videos, I was crying. I thought this is against everything that we, all of us, hold dear, you know, left or right. I mean, obviously the left have gone particularlyAWOL, you know, but I've started to think, Peter, because you know that I was a small c conservative, I suppose libertarian, you know, so all my thought processes were kind of down that. But I'm starting to think that actually, you know, this is something bigger, but that definitely has, it has echoes of that communist, you know, sort of, what's the word, collectivization, I would say. It has, that's why I think we look at the left and go, oh yeah, the similarities are so obvious, you know, but I think party politics is over. I think we're coming into a new era now.Yeah, because obviously the uni-party is the term used over in the state for the Republican Democrats and it seems to be that's across the world and governments combined to control and coerce everyone. I think the worst one in Australia I came across was a family whose child was seriously ill with some condition, the ambulance took them to a specialist hospital, which was over the state border in Australia, and the parents were not allowed to go and see their child as it lay dying. And what level of evilness would make an exception, whatever, but that didn't matter.It was, no, no, we must follow the diktat. 
Yeah, we must follow the, and that's the extraordinary thing, Peter. And actually, very sadly, I mean, I talk about this a lot on my podcast.Abi Daily. Well, I've addressed it so many times, I kind of, it's almost like it's a stock record, where you, the sad fact of the matter is that, and I think Graham Hancock may have said this, he's the guy that made the shows about possibly there being other civilisations that may have been around earlier than us, which is that the human race may suffer from amnesia. So you know how people are always saying, look back at history, don't forget history. You know all these wonderful quotes that float around about the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I don't know who said that, probably an American, but it's true, but the problem is we forget to be vigilant.What's happened now is that because of that, we're seeing the results of people not turning round and saying, enough. Like I said, I don't want to go into so much the party political thing but with the right, there's been a lot of times where I think to myself, is Roger Scruton enough to fight back, even though he's got great ideas about truth and beauty and goodness, which I totally hold dear, but is it enough for political change? Because at the moment we need more than that, as we've seen with Uxbridge last night. I think people are living in a bit of a cloud cuckoo land. And I say this in all seriousness, it's not going to cut it. With the Tories, we're like, oh, we're anti-ULEZ. Guys, this is the least of our problems and they vote in the Tories. Sorry, did you not see what the Tories have presided over the last three years and further back? I mean, like you said, Peter, though, you're right, it's a uni-party, it's Biden, it's this massive blob of sort of communo-fascist ideology, which is masquerading as, look at us, we're for the people, you know, yeah, we're just like introducing these things, these green things, you know, to save the planet and blah, blah. And of course, like you said, all the while it's for control.It's just to, because human beings, this is an anti-human ideology. Human beings are sort of like Stanley Johnson has said in his books, they're sort of an inconvenience, human beings, that's his view, rather than, you know, it's a gift from God, your life is a gift from God, you do with it. I was thinking about my grandpa, my wonderful Welsh gramps, Bob Roberts, his name was, and I was thinking, and he said, you know, your life is a gift, your talents are a gift.Use it. Use them. Use them as fully as you can. I'm not sure what he'd think about me being arrested.Actually, knowing him, he probably would be going, yeah, that's my girl.God love him, God rest him. But I think it's true.I think it's true. We have one life, so we may as well try and make it count.Not just for us, not just for now, but for the people that come after us.
You're 100%. Can I ask you, the inquiry is a tick box exercise, we see through the BS, the mainstream media will play the game and play along. Before we get on to your campaign making swearing legal again, can I ask you about how do you perceive it? Because as you said, three, four years, four or five years ago, you would have thought actually a two-party system, and we have a monarchy, which is kind of good.Now, all that our institutions are good for society. They keep us, all that.And then that's all changed. So we have lost trust in many people, lost trust in the police.There's no longer policing by consent. It is policing by force.Absolute change. Biggest change in what, 200 years in policing.Zero trust in politicians. You see the voting rates so low and across the board.I mean, the even zero trust in our legal system, our courts anyway, have collapsed under so-called Covid.And now it takes you a year.The whole thing has gone to ground. And the Conservatives, what is there to conserve if everything has been burned to the ground?And how do you view that? I mean, we both we both live in the UK and we would like to believe that institutions are positive for society.We're the opposite opinion, as are many others. 
Yeah, that's a good point.I've been thinking about this long and hard, actually. I remember having a conversation with Claire Fox.Hmm, how disappointing she is. Amazing, you know, how many communist revolutionaries there are who are far from revolutionary.In fact, if anything, they toe the line, the establishment line.I've met a few of them. I'm like, I actually said to one, I went, you should be ashamed of yourself that I'm one who's doing all the pushing back. So lots of roles have been reversed with this, which many of your viewers will be aware of, this weird inversion of things, as often happens in history. This isn't unusual. Well, it is, but it's not, if you know what I mean, because we have been here. I mean, there are countries that have suffered under tyrants and perverse ideologies, anti-human ideologies. But what was your question again? Oh, that's a two-party system.
But all the institutions, we've lost this completely. 
Oh, that's it.Yeah, you've reminded me about the Clare Fox chat. This was way back when I used to be on GB News.Mm, that's a whole, aren't they doing well, Peter?Oh, who'd have thought it? Anyway, that's a sight. 
And your favourite journalist there calling you an anti-vaxxer on the day, but that's a whole separate issue.Your favourite journalist, Tom, what's his name, 
Tom Harwood, yeah. Yes, exactly, who'd look very at home in a Hugo Boss suit and knee-high boots, and that's only at the weekends.That's from my article. Please read it, it's hilarious and sad at the same time.So in answer to your question, when Claire Fox and I had this chat when I was first on and she said that she thought the institutions could be saved from within.And I pushed back on this, I said, yeah, I don't think so, I don't think so, Claire.Because anyone that knows, this is what's so bizarre, Peter, anyone that knows anything, or claims to have read anything about anything, knows that the long march through the institutions that happened in Mao's China, happened in the Soviet Union, it happened in all these Marxist, let's use this paradigm, seeing as, because I know there will be maybe people watching going, yeah, but you've just said there's no such thing as left and right, but let's use this framework, is that the common purpose, this whole collectivization ideology has been creeping in and it's strangled everything like bindweed.So it's been happening for like maybe 30 years, maybe more than that actually.And the problem is, it's everywhere, it's woodworm in all the institutions, so like you said, everything's kind of collapsed.So I think, this is my personal view, is that no, the institutions should be rebuilt.And I don't mean build back better, I mean in the good sense that after the Enlightenment, you know, like Erasmus, you know, where we look around and say where are the good, where are the thinkers, the critical thinkers, I mean like myself, like yourself, can we have institutions that are the green shoots of, you know, for the next generation. So you have kids who go, oh, thank goodness for people like Abi Roberts and Peter Mcilvenna and various other people, because they saw the corruption, the evil that's in everything. Like you said, the judiciary, good grief. I was in the police cell thinking they could pin anything on me, these guys. That's a scary thought. I actually also thought, shall I fake a panic attack in the police cell. I was in there, by the way, viewers, for 17 hours. And I thought, and I'm claustrophobic as well, which didn't, I mean, I honestly, I've never prayed so hard in my life or sang so much to keep myself occupied. But I genuinely thought maybe I should fake a panic attack so that they'll let me out and I'll be with some medics. And then I thought, actually.Given what the medical profession have done the last three years, I would rather stay in the cell.Now that is, if that isn't a soundbite for 2023, I don't know what is.Abi Roberts would rather have stayed in a police cell with two Nigerians next door going, eh oh eh eh oh, like Nigerian Teletubbies, no comment, no comment bro, and smearing, you know, as I was told, because I smelt bleach and one of them had smeared his own excrement up the walls.I would rather have been in that cell, that damn cell, than be with doctors.So that's where we are, guys. But it's not just the UK, it's everywhere.So I hope that kind of answered your question, which is I've always believed in the, what the Russians did in Stalin's time, which is obviously you had many people who went along with it, the whisperers, they were called, you know, who whispered to, I may even have said this on one of our chats, that in Stalin's time, a lot of people just went along with it and used to grass up their neighbours and they were called the Whisperers.It just became this thing. So a lot of people go along with it and actually sort of get quite used to it.Oh, it's quite nice being locked at home. It's quite nice being forced, coerced into having injections.Oh, it's quite nice not being able to travel further than 15 minutes outside.You know what I mean? All these things, that's what happened under Stalin where everyone went, it's quite nice.Just only being able to have one cow, which the Kulaks, you know what I mean?All these little things people sort of started to think, well, maybe this is just our lot.We should rather than thinking, no, this is not our lot. This is not what life is for, what free life is for.But there were secrets of society. There were secret meetings and the catacombs, the true Christians, so not the Orthodox church that was hand in hand with Stalin.And they all met and they all prayed and they all, so children, educated children.So it was all happening, but sort of in parallel.Do you know what I mean? With the, so my view, and again, I said this to Lawrence Fox on a, God blimey, how the mighty have fallen.I said to him on a Twitter Spaces that I thought that we should start to have a parallel society.And he disagreed with that.Well, look what happened in Uxbridge last night. You know, I may be blonde, I may be a comedian, I may be silly and swear and the rest of it, But you know, a sharper mind you will not find talking about this kind of stuff.So you people can believe in their Labour versus Tory and their new parties and blah blah, but it's going to take a lot more than that.It's going to take a hell of a lot more. I mean, put it this way, Peter, I...Never thought I'd be arrested in this country for saying, fuck off, fuck you, whatever, standing with the police and the press, taking photographs of me outside a building where they were essentially lying about what's happened over the last three years.And that, but you know, like I said, I'm proud that I'm, it's something that, Um, yeah, that all,I didn't think I'd be in this position, but I'm I'm glad that I did it. I'm glad.
OK, so one ask about the police side. It seems that we are now at the stage and part of this, a lot of this is a so-called conservative government.Laws being put in place that give the police absolute right to make up stuff, and it's this whole thing of offens,e of anything which may, possibly might do in the next 100 years to someone reading it in the far-flung galaxy, may find offense, then that is enough.It seemed as though that was, and it means taking, if you're wearing brown shoes and the policeman thinks, no, I don't like brown shoes, that's offensive.They can literally come up with anything, and it seemed to be what he said it to you, And it was so funny looking back at him saying, what, if I swear again?And you're thinking, if I swear again, I should swear.
Well, also, you know, I spoke to an ex-policeman about this, who's on our side, by the way, very much on our side.So he was very high up in the police.And I spoke to a couple of people actually about, and obviously I can't reveal too much to you about things which may or may not happen with the process, but he said that if swearing was illegal, then I would have been arrested the first time.He said that's a point of that. And also, before anyone takes you by the arm, you know, you see the two, I don't know if it's in the clip, but the two policewomen, they really grip hold of me, took my arms.They're meant to say, We're going to now put our hands on you and take you, this is in the old days, the old school, They had to take you through everything.So you're seeing people that have been trained in a police college that is riddled with common purpose.I'm going to go back to that phrase, common purpose, look it up, Peter, you know what I'm talking about.The communitarian, this wonderful idea that everyone, hey, as long as everyone is abiding by this ideology, then it's okay for you to act beyond your authority.That's part of the common purpose thing, which is, by the way, a Marxist organisation.It was set up many years ago by the daughter of a Marxist called Julia Middleton.So look it up. It's all true.Whether that is running in tandem or not with what we're talking about, the global tyranny is kind of another matter.It's almost too coincidental that it's all kind of coming together.This whole offence thing, and in fact, the Public Order Act 1986 should really have been, I mean, it shouldn't even be there. And I'm very worried, Peter, about this online offence, online harms bill. There's a lot of stuff which will be used, stuff maybe we're seeing now in the media being used about people saying certain things, doing certain things, and Oh, in which case, then let's have let's have harsher laws.So I would say. 
But on the online city bill, so we've had Signal boss has said they will have to pull out because they do not give back doors to anyone.Wikipedia have said they will have to shut down their operation in the UK.I know Telegram have talked about, Apple have said it is.I mean, everyone is saying this is overreach to the nth degree.And yet the government don't give a damn. so-called conservative government think this is wonderful, let's shut everyone up.
Yes, exactly. The so-called conservative. I mean, this is what's weird though is I think we have to...We have to stop thinking in terms of, I'm afraid to say, in terms of Conservative and Labour, because whatever's taken over both those parties and everyone else in the House of Commons, let's be honest, all of them, is a dark force, is a dark ideological force.So we're in a historical, we are in a first, in Britain, in the sense that I mean, I again never thought I'd be sitting here saying that the two-party system, it's I mean, our democratic system is broken. It's completely broken. It's completely, it's been trashed, it's been stamped on and the people of this country need to wake up and realise that, you know, if you want to go to I mean, I heard someone the other day say, well, maybe China, a Chinese system wouldn't be that bad.Really? Really? Yeah. Brilliant. How fantastic.I mean, that's the level. People will go, well, even if we have to live in a tiny flat, a tiny room, you know, with our tokens, you know, with our, what's it?Compliance tokens, I call them. Yeah. All those things.And our currency, and have you been well behaved, all that. People, I'm sorry, Peter, but a lot of people, like I've said in history, will go along with it. They'll go, well, what's the worst that can happen?At least I'll get my food and I'll get my, because they don't prize freedom.They don't prize the idea. And when I say freedom, I don't mean freedom, like it's this weird sort of slogan.I mean the free soul, the spirit, The idea that freedom is not just about a word, it's about you and the extension of you around you.So including things that come out of your mouth, your utterances, all that is sacred.And including swearing, by the way. And I know people say, I know there might be some Christians watching saying, how could you be a Christian?Well, I am, I've got my lovely cross on, which by the way, they made me take off in the police station.I said to them, what am I going to do, stab myself in the eye with it?It's a cross for heaven's sake. Even though I did hear people down the other cells say we need to pray so they were let out. Hmm.That's interesting, Peter. 
Look, the thing...And there's so much we could cover, and I won't keep you all day. But I want to, in, you're arrested. I mean, if you are, you've sworn, and that is illegal, and you can be arrested, something like that should be, you would think, well, you get taken down the station, you get like a 50 pound, 100 pound fine, I don't know what. But you were actually kept, probably because they thought you were a danger to society? What is the benefit of keeping you locked in a cell instead of just processing you in 30 minutes and then letting you go?
Yeah, well, good question. And when I went down there, they told me that I, and again, it's in the article, they told me, the solicitor on the phone said, they'd agreed, they'd suggested, they'd said that this is the police, so they'd give me a £90 fine, which I could either pay in 21 days or take it to court.So like, you know, dispute it and take it to court. So that was, I was told by the solicitor, she said, you'll be out in the afternoon.That was the first phone call.Hours later, when I started to get the feeling that something wasn't quite right, because I was getting, being told different things by the police who were opening the little cell door where they put the food and water in, I thought, hang on a minute, they're gonna try and keep me in for 24 hours.And according to Francis, who came down to the station, bless him, and stayed there for hours, Francis O'Neill.And I didn't know that he was there until someone had said, by the way, I think there's a friend of yours out there.He's been waiting, I was like, oh my God.Apparently, a separate team got involved, a kind of protest team.But you know what, when I was in there, one of the coppers, and again, this is in the article, said, we're conflicted about letting you go because we don't know who's gonna replace you.And as I was leaving, one of the other police women who interviewed me said, we've talked to all the staff here, and they say you're by far the nicest criminal that they've ever met.
They probably wanted to keep you in. Because you would lighten up the mood.
They did. Well, I was just there on my plastic mat reading a book.I had, because one of the lovely police, well, I say lovely, he was really, he didn't want to shut the door, the cell door.He didn't want to shut it. And he said, I don't know why you're in here.He said, you know, he whispered. And then he took me out and he, I chose a couple of books to read. So I was reading, I was there with my Bernard Cornwall.Which I only know about because James Delingpole mentioned it on his, mentioned it on London Calling. 
Yeah, it must be good. 
And then another book. And I was just there, you know, with my cups of tea, you know, nibbling on a little biscuit. And I was just like there, you know, do praying, singing, thinking, this too shall pass. You know, I'm thinking, I was thinking to myself, you're not Solzhenitsyn. You're not, you're not Nelson Mandela. You're not, You know, many, you know, Artur Pawlowski, the lovely Polish priest who, by the way, can I just quickly say, he needs our help. His trial in Canada is, the verdict is going to be on August the 9th. So this man, you know, who told, who they, the police interrupted an Easter service and he told them they were Nazis and the Gestapo, quite rightly. He then made a speech at to the truckers rally in 2022.He was then put in prison for 51 days. In prison.So if he gets found guilty, this is the Canada, the wonderful Canada under Trudeau, he'll get 10 years, 10 years.So to round this up, it was 17 hours, but it was not in comparison to many people many people who have come before me, including Artur, Artur Palowski, sorry any Polish people if I'm getting the pronunciation wrong.God love him.He's one of my true heroes of this time, because he was prepared to say, no, no, I'm not gonna live in a country.I'm not going to give away my freedom to you and the freedom of my congregation, my flock.He said, as a shepherd, he said, it's my duty to protect my flock.And I'm like, oh my goodness, you know? Maybe Calvin Robinson could take a few notes.I told you, you weren't going to get, Peter knows me, that I have to slip in the odd, well, it's true, come on, enough of the tweed and the baubles.What about the people?
There are no restrictions, Abi. I don't think we've ever edited, literally, and I say this, start with you.I think the only, we removed one video, but with someone who just went crazy and started just going at us, that was only one.Piers Corbyn we removed because he couldn't use a camera and the internet.So it was just...
Oh bless Piers
It was embarrassing. But I don't think we've ever actually edited or removed anything.So what's the point? You want the guest on, you want them to talk because you want them to speak.
And I am making, I think I'm making, well, you know, I'm making a point.And this is something I've, don't forget, you know, I've, I've had a journey over the last three years.I've contemplate and, and wrestle, struggle with stuff and ideas and, and my faith, and all these kind of things.And all I would say is that, beware the baubles.It's become like my catchphrase in my, on my site with my Abi Daily family, and on Twitter, beware the baubles. And what I mean by that is, the Holy Grail was not a jewel-encrusted chalice.It was a simple wooden cup, and in that cup was the truth. And that's all you need to know. 
100%.Abi, just to finish, just last thought, does this mean that if I go outside now, doing the school run, and I happen to swear, because, I don't know, for whatever reason, a colleague comes to me and I say, holy shit, what was that?Is that now suddenly, I can now be arrested or something over here?Or is it simply that the police now have the power to use and abuse whoever they want to at will?I think it's the latter, you're right. I'm not sure, it's not the, I mean the swear word is part of it, but as Artur Pawlowski says, that when he was living under Soviet, it is in Poland, when the Soviets were around, is that the police could, if they could choose a man, so anyone, and fine something on them.That's what the police motto was in Poland at that time. So, you know, you look around, pick anyone in the street and you'd find they might have a parking fine, they might've had a row with a neighbour a few years ago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.And the point is, they could just go, Right, you're coming down with us.So the swearing was sort of incidental to the bigger picture.So you're right that it is the police powers and because they don't know.I mean, the guys at the police desk, they didn't even know what coercion meant.I had to explain to them. I said, don't tell me this is in the police, you know, in full view of all the, everyone working there. I said, don't tell me that there aren't people in this room who were thinking, maybe something might have gone wrong with the vaccines or I might have been harmed.And then the guy behind the desk said, I wasn't forced, I wanted to go on holiday to Spain.So this is the kind of people, this is the kind of, they need to go back to, the rule, what the principles of law actually.So again, we're back to starting new institutions, Peter. We're sort of back to this idea that...That there needs to be a sort of non-violent, philosophical revolution needs to happen.Like a new enlightenment, actually.
Completely. We'll finish, Abi Daily, it's in the name, it is Abi every day, tell us what people can find. How do they find it, and how can they actually listen?
Yeah, well, so it's abiroberts.substack.com. you've got it under my name there.You just go to that address, you then you can listen for free.You can go on, I don't have any paywall. You can subscribe, you can if you want to donate, chuck in a few quid.I've got people who do that as well. So there's like, you'll see that I did it free for a year, and then there was pledges. So people pledged.Quite a few people went, I want to pledge. So then you switch the toggle on and then it changes to this idea that people can say.So basically, what I'm saying is, everyone's welcome to the Substack family, to Abi Daily family.I've also got some gigs coming up. I wasn't going to because I had a bit of problems with some trolls.So I was a bit like I freaked out, but I thought they're not going to win, you damn bastards, you wankers. So I have got gigs coming up at the next week.I'm doing Newport with Katie Hopkins on Friday the 28th.Then I've got Southampton 29th with a great bill with Alastair Williams.Then I've got various things coming up.Actually, that's the first bit. People will be hearing this on Monday going, we didn't think you were doing any live gigs. Well, fuck you because I am.I don't care if people want to come along and go, you're whatever, I don't know, you're a loon. I am.
Yeah, we did a few days before, but it's going out on Monday, the 24th?On Monday the 24th. So everyone will get it.Make sure, and for the viewers, listeners, make sure and follow Abi on her Twitter or Substack. Everything will be up there. And Abi, you're one of the fun people I've gotten over the last few years.It's been three years of meeting a whole new set of people and losing a whole load of people as well.
Losing a whole load of, yes. 
I know. 
To the baubles.
Oh, but I love what you do and thank you so much for joining us, Abi, and sharing your crazy experiences getting locked up.It's my pleasure. One last thing before we clock off is We the People, the book that I'm, and this goes back to the COVID inquiry, Whitewash. We the People is an e-book that I released at the end of last year with lots of stories that were written to me about lockdowns, about jab injuries, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm redoing that book. So it's going to to be really going to be like a e-pub, no, published book.And there will probably be hard copies. And there'll be a launch and an audio version.So with Bob Moran's cartoons. So it's going to be laid out.And I'm going to give it to any person I meet. I was going to say MP.What good would that do?But basically, so people can understand the true horror of what's gone on.And if that's my contribution along with being arrested, Like I said, that's fine by me, you know, and I'll try and keep people laughing as well.
You always do. I look forward to having that launch. 
Yeah, bless you. Come to the launch for sure.
Oh, I'm coming anyway, so just tell me where it is.Exactly. Just gate crash. 
I'll be there. 
All the best. All the best people gate crash.
I'll be there. Abi, thanks so much for your time today.
Cheers. Not a problem. God bless you all.

The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna

Greetings and welcome! We should of been joined by our dear friend, David Vance, but he is a little under the weather with a frog in his throat.It is possibly the first time ever that David has been lost for words, so that just won't do!But the show must go on so our intrepid leader is flying solo.Coming live from Northern Ireland, This is The Week According To . . . Peter Mcilvenna.After the By-Elections this week, Peter has a look at the polls across the UK then sets his sight further afield and looks at the state of play in The Netherlands, Spain, Germany and Austria.Then he gives us his thoughts on some of the stories on how the migration invasion is being handled on both sides of the pond and finishes with a warning why its not the best idea to glue your hands to things to save the planet!
Peter Mcilvenna currently works for Lord Pearson of Rannoch (One of Margaret Thatcher’s last Lords appointees and former UKIP leader) in the House of Lords.He has also worked as a Senior Researcher in City Hall for the UKIP assembly members and as UKIP’s National Campaign Manager during the 2019 Local and European Elections.Prior to this Peter travelled across the UK for two years speaking at churches under the banner "Can we talk about Islam".He also worked at Christian Concern (a Christian lobby organisation) and before that was on staff at Kensington Temple (one of the largest churches in the UK) for nearly ten years.Peter is married with two children, has a strong Christian faith and has attended Kensington Temple, a large Black majority Pentecostal church in West London, since 2002 when he first came to London.He is a self confessed 'Plane Geek', a keen flyer, holding a pilot's licence for the past fifteen years and takes to the skies whenever he can.Peter co-founded Hearts of Oak with Alan Craig as they were becoming increasingly alarmed at the world wide woke agenda and they set out to create a populist Free Speech Alliance aimed at countering the cultural Marxism that pervades all areas of our lives.Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London.
Originally broadcast live 22.7.23
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Links to discussed topics...UK By-Electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66264317Sunak by-electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66266024UK Pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682394394706563072Netherlands pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElectsSpanish electionhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/spanish-election-offers-opportunity-to-far-right-as-pp-seeks-powerSpain pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1681055492838227968German pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682684286007230464Austrian pollshttps://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1682663771679125504Hotels small boat arrivalshttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/19/hotels-occupied-by-resettled-afghans-being-cleared-for-small-boat-arrivalsUK migrant bargehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66099583NYC mayor Eric Adams https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66259075.amphttps://www.nyc.gov/assets/home/downloads/pdf/press-releases/2023/AsylumSeekersUpdate_EngSp2_Flyer_006.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdeliveryClimate activists https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/climate-activists-glue-their-hands-on-airport-runway-might-need-amputation/articleshow/101751499.cms

Dr Steve Turley - Are We Seeing the Revitalisation of Christian Civilisation? A New Conservative Age is Rising

Show notes and Transcript
For years Dr Steve Turley has been bringing an optimistic and upbeat analysis of current events. His Turley Talks are some of the most popular social commentaries in the Conservative sphere.  He joins Hearts of Oak to ask if we are seeing the revitalization of Christian civilization and a new Conservative age? We look at the political shockwaves happening across Europe with the rise of populist conservative political parties in many countries. And we end off looking at the rise of the parallel economy as a bulwark against the increasing woke economic wave that is sweeping through many large corporations.
Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University) is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker, and author who is widely considered one of the most exciting voices in today’s growing patriot movement.Dr. Steve’s popular YouTube channel has over 1 million subscribers and daily showcases his expertise in the rise of nationalism, populism, and traditionalism throughout the world. His videos, podcasts and writings on civilization, society, culture, education, and the arts are widely renowned.
Connect with Dr Steve and join the movement of Courageous Patriots...WEBSITE:         https://turleytalks.com/TWITTER:         https://twitter.com/DrTurleyTalksYOUTUBE:        https://www.youtube.com/@DrSteveTurleyTVPODCASTS:      https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/turley-talks/id1520478046
Interview recorded 17.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr Steve Turley. You'll have seen his Turley Talks, and I've loved watching these over the last few years, bringing an optimistic and hopeful message, looking at world events, looking at the political side, and often quite at odds with a more dour, conservative message, which we sometimes see in the media. But we look at, are we seeing the revitalization of Christian civilization? A new conservative age is rising. And we look at the political winds, the political conservative winds blowing across Europe and how they're changing also in the US. Why is that? We look at a search for spiritual meaning in the midst of the moral vacuum decay collapse of society when there is no right and wrong. People are searching for meaning and often people are looking to faith and to Christianity for that. And then we finish off on parallel economies.This is a pushback on the woke corporation, the woke agenda, the progressive wave that is coming through commerce and we are seeing a new set of companies that don't want to force that upon our throats and want to cater for a more traditional conservative market. 
Dr Steve Turley, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for your time.
(Dr Steve Turley)
It's my honour, Peter. Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here with you.
Oh, thank you. And you can find @DrTurleyTalks on Twitter, @SteveTurleyTV, obviously on YouTube. All the links are in the description, but turleytalks.com and the many podcasts at Turley Talks, but all the links are there in the description. And Dr. Steve Turley is internationally recognized, best-selling author. I didn't actually realize one of the books, touching on C.S. Lewis. Anyone who writes anything on C.S. Lewis is wonderful to have on. So from my home town back in Belfast. 
Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's right.
But you're a scholar, speaker, obviously, Turley Talks. I think you've been putting stuff up since, what, 2016, 2017, something like that? 
That's right. Yeah, we started on November 1st, 2016, just seven days leading up to November 8th, which was what I like to call Brexit Part Two, which was the election of Donald Trump. And so I started there. I made one video per day analysing the current political situation. I made the argument, the extended argument, that Trump was going to win against all odds, as it were. And of course, I spent the next few weeks gloating and we just kept going.Yeah, give us a little bit of your background. Probably 80%, well, 75% of our viewers are UK, 15% US, and then the rest all over. So, Dr. Steve, could you just take a moment and introduce yourself to our UK audience who may not be as familiar with you as others?Yeah, well, I'm Dr. Steve Turley. Technically, I'm an internationally recognized scholar, speaker and author, that's part of the elevator pitch. But I've spent most of my life either in the world of music, my first degree was in classical guitar, or in theology. My other degrees are in theological studies, the last one being a PhD from Durham University in the UK.Which we were just talking about. And as a result, I was in academia for a number of years, both at the university level as well as classical schools. Classical schools are going through a bit of a renaissance here in the States and as well as in Europe where we're going back to the great books tradition, Latin, Greek, the importance of theology as the queen of the sciences and so on.So I spent about 20 years, 18 years in that world and then a friend of mine suggested I start doing some YouTube videos to analyse the political and cultural scene going on back in 2016. It was obviously very exciting. Brexit had just passed in June, which I mean, I didn't think it stood a chance and I was, of course, hoping for it, but when I saw it actually happening, that's when I I realized a lot of the scholarship that I had encountered at Durham University, which we can develop a bit, called post-secular studies.That's when I started to see some of the ramifications of those studies actually in real time. So my friend suggested I do something akin to that kind of analysis for people with the upcoming Trump-Clinton election, which I did. And the channel turned out to be a hit, as it were, over time. And so I ended up leaving academia and going into broadcasting full-time. And I've since written 20 books on various subjects, and we now have over a million subscribers to the YouTube channel. And really in the end, my daily analysis is one of looking at current events in light of, of what I would call very real conservative trends.And so my analysis tends to be very optimistic for the conservative, which is fair, which cuts against the grain and rightly so, fully noted.We've lived for the last 300 years in what's called the modern world and the modern world's inherently leftist, liberal, anti-traditionalists, you know, it's...Keep science and religion worlds apart, they have nothing to do with each other, and on and on and on. So rightly so, we've been rightly frustrated, but that modern age is coming to an end and a new world is rising. And so what I try to do is provide hope for courageous patriots with daily optimistic broadcasting of news and events.
Can I start with your tagline on your YouTube, it's the secular world is at its brink and a new conservative age is rising. Tell us about, because bad news sells better than good news, which you mentioned in the conservative circles. Tell us why you use that, I guess that tagline, that message.
Yeah. Well, I, you know, I have you guys over on the other side of the pond to blame for that, I would say a little bit of it when I was doing my doctoral studies at Durham University.It was while I was there that I came across a field of study that's broadly known as post-secular studies, and it's a huge field of study. I mean, it deals with, philosophy and law and fashion and media and politics, you name it, and involves all kinds of scholars like Jürgen Habermas, a sociologist, he's really the one who kind of coined the phrase decades ago, Peter Berger's another one, Charles Taylor, Talal Asad, they're all united in their assessment that what's known as the secularization thesis is for all practical purposes dead in the social sciences. So secularization thesis is this notion, it was very popular in the early 20th century.It's this notion that the more educated and technological society becomes, the less religious it will be. So sociologists like Max Weber, Emil Durkheim, they all saw secularity and progressivism and so forth, as just basically baked into the cake of this progressive, evolutionary movement of history. And what these post-secular scholars were arguing is that thesis, for all practical purposes, is dead. And they made the argument that very few contemporary sociologists will take the secularization thesis seriously today. And that's because, as it turns out, religion is more prevalent in our world today. It's actually, well, I should say it's just as prevalent in our world today as it's always been. And in fact as Rodney Stark at Baylor University would put it, we're actually going through the single greatest religious renewal the world has ever seen. But the key here is that what all of these different scholars are noticing in their own way, in their own bent, and their own degree of, you know, strength or certitude, is that this return of religion that's going on all over the world, because of this extraordinary religious renewal, the world's political order is changing.So these aren't just personal private sentiments that people are just having new religious experiences of. No, this is changing the balance of power. This is something that's enacting a kind of paradigm shift we haven't seen probably in 300 years.In other words, we're increasingly shifting away from the world order that began in Europe with the Enlightenment in the 18th century, that was founded on the fundamental tenets of scientific rationalism as a one-size-fits-all vision of reality for everyone, that became universalized through colonization and industrialization and globalization and westernization.And what we're seeing here now is more and more populations rejecting that modern world, and embracing what's commonly called a more post-modern or post-secular world.That's ultimately working itself out with populations going back, going back to nation, culture, custom, tradition, most particularly religious traditions, to quite literally, ironically, pre-modern beliefs and practices, while at the same time maintaining modern technology. So this is something akin to what Guillaume Fay argued, or what he called archaeo-futurism.Some have called it techno-primitivism, but it's the notion that the antithesis between science and religion and church and state, you know, technology and tradition, that's at the heart of the modern age, that antithesis has collapsed. And now the two are joining forces, like we're seeing with the rise of neo-Orthodox Russia or neo-Confucian China, Shinto Japan, Hindu nationalist India with the BJP party there, the neo-Ottoman vision of Erdogan in Turkey.Of course, we saw it in 1979 with the rise of theocratic Iran. Now we've got theocratic Afghanistan, now we've got neo-traditionalism absolutely on fire all throughout the African continent and on and on and on and on.And I think it's taken Western powers by surprise. I mean, it doesn't matter if you're dealing with the Dolts in D.C.or the bullies in Brussels or the demons of Davos, my comic book names for them.But Western elites just don't really know what to do with this new, far more traditionalist, conservative world. Or that's how I use the term conservatives, ultimately is a traditionalist.That's what, that's what unites a Texas conservative with a with a Hindu conservative in, you know, in India.Because they don't know what to do with this world order because it doesn't respond to the political and economic manipulative pressures that the West has learned to rely on over the last several decades and sort of closed the loop here to make things even worse for them.The same dynamics are manifesting themselves in the West. But obviously from a different vantage point, because we were really the centre, the epicentre of this industrialism, of this globalism, of this enlightenment, sort of ideology that has morphed into a very bizarre wokeness.But we're seeing comparable nationalist, populist, traditionalist trends on both sides of the Atlantic, with the Brexit and Trump earthquakes happening literally within days of each other, what, 90 days or so, just a few months of each other, more than that. But Trump actually campaign back in 2016. There was a time in the mid-summer when he said, call me Mr. Brexit.I mean, he was a huge supporter of Brexit, a huge supporter of dismantling the liberal world order and the globalist institutions that make up that order. So while there's all kinds of hiccups and and there's all kinds of oppressions and all kinds of roadblocks and frustrations and setbacks.There's really nothing the Dolts in DC or the Bullies in Brussels can do to stop this tectonic shift that's happening underneath their feet. No political paralysis in the palace of Westminster, can stop it because again it's a foundational paradigm shift from secular to post-secular, from modern to post-modern, and so secular modernist sentiments and structures are indeed withering away. 
You talk about kind of religion, spirituality, and certainly it's strange because we have this search for meaning in an age of chaos where there is no order, no right and wrong, no truth, and people are looking at spirituality. Certainly I have seen it here in the UK, people once again opening their Bibles, trying to understand what it is all about.So you have that rise of inquisitiveness, of curiosity, and at the same time, certainly from a Christian point of view, you've got a very weak church that seems to have bought into that lie, the progressive lie. What are your thoughts on that, and how does that work out in the U.S.?Oh yeah, in terms of the mainline churches, we're seeing very much the same thing. I mean, what happened, of course, is in the modern experiment, the church got privatized. I mean, even in the UK in many respects, even though you have a national church there.And we get to see it and we're actually enamoured by it whenever there's a coronation or a royal wedding or a funeral, a monarchical funeral, whatever. 
You can have the Church of England any day, Steve. Please take it. 
I went to school with some of the clergy in Durham and I was shocked by some of the interaction I had with them. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. And again, we're facing it here to the extent that the Episcopal Church manifests our wing of the Anglican Church or the United Methodist Church. Mainline denominations have basically gone the way of modernity, and it's because they got privatized. And we have to just remember that, you know, if you just compare the way, like we were just talking about the beauties of Durham, medieval cities, where the church was in the urban planning of the medieval city, of course, it was right at the very centre. I mean, you've got a map of the Christian image, a Christian cosmos in every medieval city here in the states the New England commonwealth drew from similar frames of reference, the church steeple, the highest building in the commonwealth there with it with a town green and Edenic green in its front and like you look at modern urban planning today, where's the church? if it's even there it's been it's been pushed into the place of consumerism you know, it's right next to pizzerias and dry cleaners and it's and what's happened as a result is the truth has been privatized because public life and private life operate by very different dynamics. Public deals with the obligatory, whereas private is more optional, right? Public is objective, private is subjective, public applies to all, private applies to only some. So when you privatize the church, what you do is you basically wither, you hollow out its truth and its moral claims because truth is public, it's not private.Truth is objective, it's not subjective. Truth applies to all by definition, not to only some.And so when you're pushed into the social equivalent of a Weight Watchers program or the YMCA or like a pizzeria or whatever.If you're pushed into that equivalent, you can know more proclaimed truth than they can.That's what got hollowed out of the gospel. So the gospel no longer weighs on us, like it would have, say, just in the 18th century. So the clergy, I mean, they're more interested in all these gimmicks and church marketing programs and the like. I'm broad brushing, but you know where I'm coming from. In the states, we do, since church and state are so separated here, in one sense, right, the church can be actually pretty vibrant here at local levels. And so many leftists think we live in a default theocracy in all the red states, or even more specifically, sort of the red counties where the church exercises, very conservative church exercises, so much inordinate influence and the like, but there are very, very heavy barriers placed on that, where it's not allowed to rise to more national levels. They do everything they can to quell that.But it does seem to be, for all kinds of reasons, particularly demographic reasons, it does seem to be rising in a way that they just can't clamp down on anymore.
And Christian faith still seems to be something that's seemed positive, certainly in, generally in politics. I mean, when you look at the front bench of, in parliament, of any MP, the last thing they would ever want to say is they'd go to a church or they may be a Christian. That's just not on the radar. In the US, it still seems that that is part of, kind of, the identity, and even Joe Biden claims he's a Christian, and I'll let him take that up with God personally, but how does that, because you still seem to have that as a central tenant, as an anchor, certainly in the political sphere.Yeah, right. Exactly. It's still very, very strong here. It's right. I mean, I guess we would be more akin to the Irish side of the UK, where religion is just a stronger part in the United States. Yeah, it's no coincidence that secularization thesis was actually formulated in Europe because that's what they were seeing. They were seeing these radical secularizing forces as liberalism, and the liberal project began to take over in Europe. And yeah, it just, it took over here in the States to a certain extent, particularly among our elite, but that never really made it into the heartland. We, for whatever reason, we just were able to keep, I guess maybe it's just the frontier sort of culture that we have here, but in our rural and in ex-urban areas, Christianity's just been able to flourish.I think largely also because of the demographic revolution that's happening today, where liberalism more or less destroyed the family, they stopped having kids.And so with all these alternative lifestyles or just with very secularized conceptions of the family, woke liberals, while busying themselves trying to take over every cultural institution in the nation and being very successful in doing so.They forgot to procreate. So for whatever reason they omitted replacing themselves from the cultural takeover plan. So we have a number of studies, Ed Dutton actually has an excellent studies, he's in the UK, Durham fellow as well, on the extraordinary fertility differences between atheists and religionists and liberals and conservatives. And in all kinds of demographic studies all over the world, but particularly in North America and Europe, we're seeing a very clear and direct relationship between, for lack of better term, you know, how right-wing you are, particularly how religiously conservative you are, and how many children you have. And the demographic discrepancy is extraordinary, and that seems with the United States and with its concentrated population, that's having some pretty profound effects. So yeah, it'd be very hard to win an election here nationally and be hostile, overtly hostile to faith in your expressions. Like you said, I think Joe Biden's incredibly hostile to faith. Just ask any Christian baker, for example.But he will never admit to that. He'll always try to say, oh, I'm a good churchgoing, Catholic and blah, blah, blah.Obama did the same thing. Yeah.Clinton, you know, scenes of him singing in his church choir.You just, there's no way around it.You have to, you have to do this. If anything, Trump, Trump may have been probably the least overtly Christian fellow we had, but I mean, his pod, they were, it was so woven into his policies that it just, it didn't matter.
No, absolutely. Can I ask you, obviously the message you bring, a hopeful message, and I've seen you on numerous, I think I saw you on Seb Gorka the other day. The only person kind of I come across with that, kind of more positive outlook possibly is Steve Bannon. But yours, I mean, do you, are you told, come on Steve, it's really, look, we've got this against, we've got that against, just come on, it's and you're living in a fairy world.How do you kind of cope with that pushback that just fit into the this is a fight and it's a dark fight and we may win in the end?How do you kind of cope against that? The choice to tune that positivity down?
Yeah, yeah. They I've been accused of pushing copious copium on. Oh, no, absolutely.And again, well, the irony to it all is when I first came across post-secular scholarship, I didn't believe it. I thought it was applicable to the Middle East, Africa, particularly Sub-Saharan Africa.Maybe I noticed Russia being in the orthodox tradition. I noticed Russia was doing quite well.But outside of that, I mean, I came across this during the Obama era, right after the Obama era started in 2009.And I just, I didn't buy it. I thought the West was shot. The West was done.So I share, ironically, I have shared in that kind of pessimism.But the more I studied, the more I was confronted with the data and the more I'm seeing the political outworking's happening that data just is is playing itself out it's just getting confirmed and I think too one of the ways of thinking about the current climate we're in particularly spiritual climate analytically helpful way of seeing it it is through the prism of post secularism sort of a counter reading of it, we have to recognize how frustrated and disconcerted our secular left is. Remember, secular progressivism lived by the notion that religion was on its way out. Conservatism was on its way out.Traditionalism was on its way out. It was an evolutionary throwback that had no relevance to us today. And so you have the likes of like a Sam Harris who's repeatedly and openly expressed his utter dismay as to the stubbornness of particularly American Christianity but also Islam, not just its persistence but its actual growth and flourishing. And so to these people who've admittedly captured all the cultural levers of power, to these people, we're not supposed to be around, Peter.So a lot of the persecution that we're facing here, political, cultural, economic, the de-banking, the latest trend of de-banking that Nigel Farage has had to deal with, these persecutions are happening precisely because we're not supposed to be here. We're not supposed to persist.So I see a lot of the the obstacles and the frustrations that we face as an ironic confirmation. That the jokes on them. We're winning. We're not going away. They can clamp down as hard as they want on us. We've got all the demographic back winds behind us blowing in our direction. One of the fascinating statistics is that in just three decades, they predict there will be one liberal woman here in the United States for every so-called, for every four far-right women. And it's just because when all is said and done, right-wingers are having families and in many ways, bigger than ever, because you take in consideration child mortality rates having imploded.So we're having more kids than ever, and we have the data on whether or not those kids retain that conservatism into adulthood.And the answer is yes, because the more conservative, the more you tend to rely on parallel structures, like Bible colleges or home-schooling or what have you.And the United States and Britain are number one and number two in terms of home-schooling populations.Populations. Interestingly enough, Russia is number three, which is also fascinating.But so what we're seeing is we're seeing 70%, 80% retention rates among young people.We've studied particularly with the Amish, the Amish population.And the Amish retention rates have actually been going up over the last 30 years. Eric Kaufman, who's a Canadian expat at University of London, has done a lot of writing on this.And back in the 70s and 80s, if I recall, they had about a 70% retention level. About 30% of their kids would go through Rundspringe, this kind of, you get to flirt a little bit with the outside world. About 30% of them said, no, I like this. I'm going to stay in the outside world. And they basically become Mennonite, so they stay close to their families, but they have more freedom with modern technology and so forth.Those numbers have hit upwards of 80% or 90% retention of late.So the more woke and crazy our society gets, ironically, the more traditionals hang on to their kids.So there's just no way around it.They're disappearing. We're growing. And there's nothing they can do to stop that.And so as long as those dynamics are in place, Kauffman says by 2030, the United States culture war should tip dramatically in favour of the right permanently, or at least for the foreseeable future.We're estimated to have upwards of 300 million Mormons in our country just by the end of the century, 300 million Amish by the end of next century.So we're basically evangelicals, Mormons, Amish. I know there's a joke in there somewhere.I haven't quite figured it out yet. It can't be walking into a bar, Mormons don't drink, but three guys walked into a bar.But Europe is the same thing. Now it's slower because you don't have the density of the population and the Bible Belt per se, but you look at what Viktor Orban's doing in Hungary.
Can I ask, because you've written and one of the things that I've enjoyed about, what you put out is that youcover what's happening in Europe and I wouldn't want to criticize the wonderful U.S.commentators and maybe not looking at Europe. We certainly in Europe look to the U.S. for kind of... 
Terrible. No, you could criticize, they completely ignore you and it makes me upset, because at least Eastern Europe particularly they're ahead of us. You know, we're all honouring Viktor Orban but we were talking about Viktor Orban six years ago before anybody knew his name around here. So yes, no, go ahead, beat them up all you want, Peter.He's an absolute rock, but it's not, I mean, two of the, uh, two podcasts you put out recently, France's right-wing party surge and first persons riots. In other words, WEF, Dutch government collapses, and that's going to be phenomenal to watch that with the new farming party.But all across, I mean, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Italy, uh, Austria, Germany, it's, it's happening all over and how, I guess, as an American commentator, do you view what's happening?Because I think a lot of us maybe in Europe had thought, you know, we're post-Christian in Europe and conservatism is very much out of fashion and this liberal way of this, the EU just knitting everyone together, throwing off the nation-state and suddenly you've got a push back on nearly every single country across Europe. How do you see that from the States?Absolutely, yeah. I think again, well, getting my doctorate in the UK helped, no question, to kind of broaden my horizons to what was going on in the world. But also, when I encountered the post-secular studies, a lot of it was on Europe and the trends that were happening, particularly starting in Eastern Europe, going into Central Europe, talking a lot about Hungary and Poland. We were just seeing the rise of the Law and Justice Party Poland back around that time. And I really thought, and again, you have to remember this was during our Obama era. I really saw the so-called far right. They're not far right. They're just, you know, the apostles of common sense, I think you would call it, but I was noticing that we were already seeing the 300% surge in so-called far right parties, these nationalist populist parties. And I really thought, wow, something's going to happen in Europe before we know it. And then again, this is before Brexit sentiments came in. The Cornell sociologistMabel Berezin has written about what she calls post-security politics. And it's very interesting because she argues that the nation state historically promised to provide three things, secure borders, a stable economy, and a space for the celebration and perpetuation of a population's customs, traditions, and religion. And what Berezin argued is that, of course, over the last three, four decades, we've seen all those securities just erode as a result of globalization, so border security eroding as a result of mass unfettered immigration, economic security eroding through what's called a global division of labour, where manufacturing and industrial factory jobs are shipped out to third world nations, while capital and finance are relocated in urban centres, leaving rural populations highly disenfranchised.So that's where you got the Yellow Vest uprising in France, where there were no jobs, where rural folk were living. They had to commute to the big cities to work.But they couldn't work there because the gentrification of those cities through finance had jacked up the real estate prices.So there was no work where they lived, and they couldn't live where there was work.And then they're commuting an hour and a half each way.And then Macron slaps a fuel tax on them to pay for some green initiative.And that just blew up into the Yellow Vest uprising.So we saw that kind of post-security politics there. And then the cultural security has eroded through progressive political correctness, redefining our traditions as racist and bigoted and all kinds of phobic.At the same time, we're seeing this mass influx of migrants coming in with a different culture, different language and so forth.So it goes right back to the border security. So it's a closed loop, as it were, a self-enforcing loop.And so post-security politics was manifesting itself very clearly in the rise of bootleg parties.That's a neat phrase. again, I think goes back to Eric Kaufman, where the centre-right, centre-left were in their political paralysis.They refused to deal with any of those issues, any border security, any economic security, any cultural security.And so you ended up seeing the rise of these so-called, we call them third parties here in the parliamentary system, and they started to win.Nigel being one of the most extraordinary examples of that. I mean, back in 2019, one in three Brits voted for a party for the European Parliament elections before Brexit was finally instituted.And even then, you know, we know we got the issues, but they voted for the Brexit party and it was only what, six weeks old, five or six weeks old.The Tories collapsed.It was absolutely astonishing and the Tories only had their best election ever months later with Nigel basically bowing out and giving his blessing that if you want Brexit, put Boris back in. So you're seeing these, if you've got border security, economic, I'm sorry, yeah, border security, economic security, and cultural security as the new main issues of European populations, then you inevitably see nationalism, populism, and traditionalism emerging as the political forces that are changing politics in the continent.Now again, bullies in Brussels are doing everything they can to stop it. You'll hear them talk that way, as you well know, where you just hear them say, well, we have instruments that we can use to force compliance and things like that. But increasingly, it's just not working. Finland, you mentioned, the Sweden Democrats, the rise of the AFD in Germany. They're doing everything they can to try to prevent the AFD from running in their next national election because it looks like right at this point they're going to come in second only to, formally, Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats. So the Vox party in Spain, keep an eye on that next week. They have their, socialist government collapsed and they're going to probably boot out Sanchez and they're going to probably get into a coalition government with the Podemos party, the centre-right party, so you have something very much like what we're having in Finland, in Sweden, in Greece where the left just collapsed, and on and on and on. I think France is next. I think National Rally is poised to win a very impressive national election. And then if they begin to coalition with the centre-right Republicans and a couple of the others, Eric Zemmour's party and so forth. Now suddenly France is going to be a, the France that was supposed to be the globalist space par excellence forEurope's new emperor, Emmanuel Macron, now they're going to have a government more on par with Viktor Orban. It's incredible.
It is and we could have the AFD arrive second in Germany, could have a freedom party first in Austria next year and Le Pen leading France. I mean that would just be the most beautiful scenario... 
And it's happening, that's the thing, what we try to do, every day on my channel and what you're doing is we're tapping into the trends that are moving, in this direction. So a lot of people are late to the party. A lot of people are like, what's going on in Europe? This is amazing stuff. Well, it's Nigel Farage first came on the scene in the 1990s. This is stuff that's been happening. I mean, remember the European union sanctioned Austria when the when the freedom party first got a certain amount of the vote. And if I recall, that was back in the 1990s as well, well before the 2008 global financial crisis. These are seeds that have been germinating for a while, and they've already been sown, and now we're just going to witness how big the harvest is.Another part of the jigsaw, and we'll finish up on this area, but is the economic side. And one of your phrases from your website is, now is the time to build a parallel economy, to live out our God-given freedoms and leave a legacy of faith, family and freedom for our children and grandchildren.And that idea of a parallel economy intrigues me, especially when you see corporations bound to wokeness and being severely damaged because of it, happily. Tell us more about that parallel economy because we've talked about kind of the spiritual and the political side but, you also need to have a juggernaut, an economic juggernaut, taking that on and people need an alternative and this is what a lot of the conversation has been about a parallel economy.Absolutely, and again it's a term or it's a concept that's also European as well. I mean just in terms of the way it was formalized and written about, I'm thinking in particular of Václav Havel, Václav Benda, and the Soviet-dominated Czechoslovakia in the 1970s and 80s.They wrote a lot about what they called a parallel polis, and they actually pointed to churches and the concept of the churches in Jerusalem as this notion of being able to create an alternative society where citizens can live out truth in the midst of a society dominated by lies, like in the Soviet period, and the more we live out truth, the more we reveal those lies to be what they actually are, fabrications and the like. So, obviously, Václav Havel was a brilliant fellow, ended up becoming president of Czechoslovakia and then the Czech Republic.And the Berlin Wall fell within just a decade or so of those writings.So we're taking a lot of inspiration from that as we live in a kind of, well, what scholars actually call a refeudalization. I've heard the term refeudalization for the United States, and I've heard the term neo-medievalism when applied to Europe because of the EU functioning very similarly to, say, the Holy Roman Emperor or something, or the Roman Catholic Church,working in that way, having sort of ultimate control over districts and emerging sovereign nations and the like. But refeudalization refers, it's a very helpful model to see what's going on today, because it refers to ways in which the structure of society is increasingly reflecting the, this kind of caste system. So for example, today, like say in the medieval period, you have an astonishing concentration of wealth and power in the hands of very, very few. So five years ago, 400 billionaires owned half the world's assets. Today, that number's dropped to a hundred. Now, thank God one of them is on our side. Elon Musk is, and that, and he's just, he's been one of the biggest boosts to this parallel economy that's trying to provide a different kind of space from this neo-feudalism or refeudalization.But it's not just the billionaires and the bureaucrats that are that are teaming up.There's also a new kind of radicalized fundamentalism involving all things woke, the environment, gender and race. And again, that's where bureaucrats and billionaires, you can really see them teaming up where you have corporations now enforcing ESG and DEI.And this is where the demons and Davos come in. They're enforcing stuff that none of us would ever vote for, right, from our politicians, but because bureaucrats and billionaires are hooking up here with this bizarre kind of ideological fundamentalism.Where there's no room for dissent whatsoever, dissenters are heretics, but instead of a clerical class, now it's a clerisy class, a class of pseudo-intellectuals from the universities, the professional class, the credential class that are imposing an ideological inquisition on the whole of the population. But again, the good news is what we're seeing is something akin to a Protestant revolt that we saw coming out of that feudalized period, and the Protestant revolt in many ways was a populist revolt where the people had the right to the scriptures and so on and so forth and to pray and to have a direct relationship to God, And so what we're seeing, I think, is we're seeing a new kind of Protestant revolt in the form of a parallel economy where more and more people are with money and investment opportunities and seeing extraordinary business opportunities are starting to pump lots and lots of money into an economy that is the only requirement of being a part of it is you must disown all things woke. Anything woke is not allowed.Anything else, you're come on in. You're going to love it. So we're seeing the Sound of Freedom movie.It's number one at the box office. It's about to hit a hundred million dollars in revenue.This is all as the Disney's new Indiana Jones has just bombed and as a matter of fact, Disney. I just came across a stat the other day, Disney has lost nearly 1 billion dollars in its last eight releases. Nobody's going to see it anymore, So they're going to alternative movies. Um, they're going to alternative stores. They're boycotting, well, I would say they're going to alternative beer, but I don't think bud light is beer quite frankly. I'm partial to British beer myself, but you see Bud Light's sales on the tank, Target, you know, they had their pride section for children in their clothing store.Target is a department store here in the States.They're falling apart because of a boy, actually Boycott Target was a song and it hit number one on iTunes.It's just amazing stuff going on. And it's happening at the same time, even within the Democratic Party.There are constituencies like Muslims who are pushing back against the LGBT agenda.So in Hamtramck, Michigan, which is a Detroit district, it votes 70% Democrat, but they have the first all Muslim city council there.They were the first city council to vote unanimously to officially ban the rainbow LGBT pride flag from flying on any and all city public property.And these were all Democrats. And Democrats and the woke just don't know what to do with this, because they're seeing all of their cultural products basically going bankrupt.And now they're even seeing what was up until now very loyal voting constituents rebelling against them as well.It does really look like it's starting to implode. And this parallel economy may indeed be the mainstream economy within the next five to 10 years.Dr. Steve Turley, I appreciate you coming on and sharing that optimism and upbeat message, which I think is often missing in commentary. So thank you so much for joining us today.
Thank you, Peter. It's been my honour.

Tera Dahl - Time for Republicans to Champion Legal Law-Abiding Immigration and Stop the Green Card Jabs

Show notes and Transcript
Tera Dahl joins Hearts of Oak, bringing her deep understanding of policy and her many years experience in the media. She has worked on Capital Hill in Michele Bachmann's office in Congress, in the Trump administration in the White House and most recently at USAID. Her Media expertise started with Breitbart and she now works with Real America Voice. Immigration and foreign policy are two of her areas of unbridled knowledge and she shares with us her concerns that Green Card law-abiding immigrants are being faced with a choice. Either they take the COVID shot or their application will not be processed. Green Card or your life. But a different story for those entering illegally, they are not forced to take the jab.The Republicans need to be championing this issue and standing up for law and order and the right to choose what toxins go into your body. Tera also shares her concerns at the out of control Fentanyl problem seen in many urban areas in the US. We finish by asking why the US have abandoned their role of intervention abroad and retreated from everywhere....except Ukraine.
Article in Gateway Pundit...'It’s Time for Republicans to Champion the Rights of Legal Law-Abiding immigrants and Stop the Green Card Jab Mandates' by Peter Mcilvennahttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/its-time-republicans-champion-rights-legal-law-abiding/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=its-time-republicans-champion-rights-legal-law-abiding
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Tera Dahl, who I've got to know over the last few months. She served with Michelle Bachmann as her Chief of Staff. She was also in the Trump administration, National Security Council, and she brings to us a wealth of knowledge of policy, but also from her media background, Breitbart and Real America Voice, and she joins us today to talk about immigration.
This issue that legal immigrants must get a COVID jab. If you want your green card status to be finalised, you must go for medical check and have a COVID jab, despite the mandates all being lifted, despite illegals flooding over the border. And we talk about this issue, why it needs to be a key issue for MAGA and Trump. We talk about immigration being so politicised. Then we talk about other things like fentanyl, the drug issue that's happening in America, how it has blighted American society. And then we end up talking to Tera about her great expertise and understanding of geopolitical events. She's travelled to Afghanistan, Iraq, to many war-torn countries by herself with Michelle Bachmann, but also with USAID and she shares that understanding of geopolitical issues. 
Tera Dahl, it is wonderful to have you with us today.Thank you so much for your time. 
(Tera Dahl)
Well, thank you so much for having me, Peter.It is great to be with you. 
Not at all.For the viewers, Tera and I, I met Tera back when I was over at CNP, actually, on the East Coast.We had a nice catch up over lunch, connected by a mutual friend, but Tera, former Chief of Staff for Congresswoman, Michelle Bachmann, and she put us in touch with Michelle.We've had Michelle on twice, talking about education and about the WHO, and Tera is former Deputy Chief of Staff, National Security Council.I'm going to stop there because Tera, your brief is large and your background is vast.Could I, before we get into the topic on immigration and wider, can I ask you just to take a moment and introduce yourself.
Yeah, absolutely. So I got into politics when I was in college. I started volunteering with Michelle Bachmann, who was a state senator at the time in Minnesota. She was my representative.I was at St. Cloud State University, and I heard her speak, and I just had tears rolled down my eyes. I didn't know if I was a Democrat. I didn't know if I was a Republican at that time, but I knew when I heard Michelle Bachmann speak that it resonated in my heart, and I wanted to support her candidacy for U.S. Congress.So I signed up as a volunteer and just started, you know, calling people, doing phone calls, doing door knocking, doing mailing.And then I eventually moved to D.C. when Michelle got elected and became, started very, just staff assistant, and worked my way up to senior advisor for Congressman Bachmann and really focusing on terrorism.She sat on the House Intel Committee, and so I did mostly the national security and the foreign policy for her.And that's really when I started getting involved with what was going on with the war on terrorism.I spent time over in Afghanistan.I spent time in Iraq with the American Red Cross serving our American troops during that period.Michelle was so amazing. She would let me leave for six months to go volunteer with the American Red Cross in Iraq, come back, work for her.Then I would go to Afghanistan and come back, and she would bring me back in again.So I just had opportunities to really, to see first-hand what was going on, on the ground over in the wars.In the war zones. And I also then, after leaving Michelle's office, I spent time during the Arab Spring under President Obama. And that's where I really, my eyes were very much open to just the false narratives that were coming out of the mainstream media. That's how I got involved with journalism. I never planned on writing. I happened to be overseas in Egypt during the counter revolution, when you had 30 million Egyptians go to the street and ask for new elections against the Muslim Brotherhood government, and so I happened to be on the ground during that time, and I saw how CNN was handling it, New York Times, Washington Post, and I said, this is not what, the reality on the ground is not what is being written by our mainstream media, and that was impacting policy. They were using the articles and the media coverage to be able to impact policy, and so that's how I got involved in journalism. I ended up going back to Northern Iraq during the in the war against ISIS.I spent time with the Libyans who were in exile in Egypt.I went to Syria, had gone to Nigeria. So I've just done a lot on the ground, which has really impacted how I have really pushed back then against really trying to write the truth, and countering that false narrative from the mainstream media.But then I went into the 2016 Trump campaign and National Security Council transition team.I went into the White House as General Kellogg's Deputy Chief of staff for the National Security Council.And eventually at the last year of the Trump administration, I was over at USAID as senior advisor in the Conflict Prevention and Stabilization Bureau and working on the women's security issues and the conflict prevention over at USAID.
Tell us about USAID. That's fascinating and something I know very little about as a Brit.Tell us about that. 
Well USAID I think has really started out as a good organization, a good concept, but I think what's really happened right now over at USAID, especially after working there, I've seen just a lot of the issues, a lot of the, way that we spend money is being misspent and it's not really in the national security or American interests. And so I could really go down USAID and foreign funding in general, and I think the big question to ask, and I think I would argue, is foreign funding constitutional?I think that's changed a lot. I think we're spending a lot of money on foreign funding that we should not be spending. And I think a big contrast is President Trump. President Trump has been very outspoken on that and very much using economic leverage for diplomacy, whereas I think right now we're giving a lot of money at USAID and it's going through USAID topeople and areas that it's not being well spent for the betterment of America and I think what really happens with USAID is it's almost like you create a problem and then we give USAID more money to solve that problem that we've already created. So I think you could really get into the funds and how it's spent and there needs to be a lot of oversight at USAID and I guess if I could give an opinion on the foreign funding, I think we really need to dismantle USAID in general and put it under another agency and another department because the money isn't being well spent.And you're not really seeing the return on investment. If you give money, even a taxpayer dollar, that's taxpayer dollars, what's your return on that investment? I don't think you're seeing that.Well, we'll maybe touch on that in a little bit, but if I want to maybe start on immigration, I'd put a piece together basically with a number of mutual friends behind the scenes helping that, and it was this time for Republicans to champion the rights of legal law-abiding immigrants and stop the green card jab mandates. Maybe I can ask you what is the, we've had Jaeson Jones and you were amazing on connecting us with Jaeson and he was great talking about the southern border and the issues there. But immigration, I guess, how has immigration become so politicised and what is the situation at the moment?I think it really has become politicised and it's sad because what's happening is that you're actually under this Biden administration, they're weaponizing the, immigration system. And when I say that, I mean, they're using, they're bringing in all the illegal immigrants, and I believe they're doing it for their purposes, for votes. And instead of supporting legal immigration, this isn't about immigration. This is about legal immigration versus illegal immigration. And you wrote an excellent piece, Peter, on this. And the debate needs to be, especially with the Republicans, has to be on the illegal immigration versus legal immigration.I think we're not against immigration. No one's against immigration, but you have to go through the ports of entry and you have to do it the legal way. And I think that's what you're seeing right now under this administration is they're allowing hundreds of thousands, millions of illegal immigrants into the United States right now, which is look at the fentanyl that's causing over 100,000 deaths every single year.You're looking at the crime rate that has gone up. I feel like every community in the United States, I think is seeing and feeling the impact of the illegal immigration that is coming under the Biden administration.You're feeling it in neighbourhoods that you would never suspect you would see it in.You're seeing more crime, more people that are on drugs.I see it in my neighbourhood. I see it everywhere I go, the impact of the Biden administration's illegal immigration policies.And I think it's impacting, Not only are we losing thousands of Americans because of fentanyl, but our hospitals are being overrun, which is going to increase our health insurance and our access to healthcare.Our education system is being overrun.We're having to pay as American taxpayers for these illegal immigrants who are coming in illegally.And I think that's the big debate. And like you said, Peter, in your article, just to touch on that is, what's going on too is the vaccination requirements with the illegal immigrants that are coming in, there's no requirement for them to be vaccinated with the COVID-19 vaccine.They don't have to be.So you're having hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in that are not vaccinated, and the Biden administration seems to be completely okay with that.Not only are they illegally entering the United States, but they're not being required to get a COVID-19 vaccine.But now compare that to what is happening with the legal immigrants who are trying to go through the process legally, who want to contribute to the United States, who want to better our society.And go through the process, and get the green card, and say the pledge, and assimilate into our nation. Not integrate, assimilate into America. And they're being required to get the COVID vaccine. They have to choose between health, as you greatly said in your piece, Peter, they have to choose between health and freedom. And they shouldn't have to do that. And I think that people are not realizing that. I don't think the Republicans, I don't think Congress, I don't think the American people realize, they think that the Biden administration removed that COVID-19 vaccine requirement, but they didn't. They lifted it almost everywhere else, but these, illegal immigrants who are coming into the United States, and you could say, well, why would they do that? What benefit would that be for the Biden administration to not allow illegal immigrants to be required to have the vaccine, but they're mandating it on the legal immigrants who are coming here and going through the process that no one else is doing. They could just run through the southern border and get in like all the other illegal immigrants, but they're going through it the right way.And they're being required to do the vaccine. Well, what benefit is that?Well, I would say because those legal immigrants go through a process where they have to know the constitution, they have to know American history, they have to know the Pledge of Allegiance.They want to be here. They understand what freedom is. They understand what America means.And they're doing this and it takes years and years in a very long process to get through, and they go through it and they appreciate America, probably will vote Republican.So you have legal immigrants who probably will be voting Republican, and they're required to get the vaccine, where the illegal immigrants, probably majority will vote Democrat. And I think that is ultimately why you're seeing this administration completely do treasonous acts and policy. I would say completely treasonous not obeying the law not abiding by the Constitution with their immigration policies, so it's an issue. That's not being highlighted I'm very grateful that you wrote that article Peter and I think a lot of people are not aware of that and it's an issue That we really need to drive to the forefront especially heading into the 2024 elections I think Republicans really need to take on the issue and really say this is about illegal immigration and legal immigration.
Legal immigration and illegal immigration. That's what it is.And there's legal ways to come into the United States. You can go through the ports of entry and you can go through the process and get your green card.And that's the way that we need to be doing it. And we need to shut down any illegal ways to come into the United States.
It's weird looking at it as a European, as a Brit.And we have absolutely failed in our integration via immigration across Europe.And we've seen the riots in France, which show that we have segregation and not any integration.And America's kind of prided itself on that integration of people coming from all over, under one flag, under one constitution, under one belief system, and then coming together as Americans.And we have never really had that in Europe.We have allowed separate communities to exist side by side as ghettos.It just goes against the whole American dream, really.Yeah, absolutely it does. And I know, like, let's look at France right now, what has just recently happened in France, and look at their immigration policies and what it's done to that country.You know, like, we have to have legal means to come into the United States, but we also have to protect our borders. And I think Europe is a perfect example. I did, when I was doing my master's degree at Regent University, I spent time over at Oxford University, and one of our classes was really studying the European immigration models and looking down each country and the different countries and their different policies. And the concept that we were really looking into is, are the immigrants assimilating into European cultures or are they integrating? And that's the key question. Are they assimilating? Are they adapting to the culture, the constitution? Are they abiding by the constitution? Are they becoming American? That's what, when you used to to come to the United States, it was you become American, right?You become that culture. You have to abide by that constitution.And we're not seeing that.And it was really interesting back in 2007 when I spent that time at Oxford University studying the integration versus assimilation of immigrants in Europe and seeing now where that trajectory has gone and the problems that you have in England, the problems that France is facing.Look at all the immigrants that are coming over in Italy just recently as well.And a lot of them, I think, are not Italian-looking people, if you've seen the videos.They're chanting Allah Akbar when they're coming off those boats, and if you've seen the videos.So it's a threat that we need to do.It's for your own countries. They have to be able to have a system, an immigration system, where you are assimilating into that country. And that's why, like, when you have legal immigration in the United States, you have to study the constitution.You have to pledge allegiance to the United States of America.You understand the country that you're coming into and you're saying, I am going to live under this constitution, right?You're gonna contribute to American society. And it's a vast difference between the illegal immigrants who are crossing on the Southern border into the United States and in Europe as well.
So it's a huge issue for 2024. And I think you're seeing the candidates right now in the United States, like President Trump in 2016, that is what he ran on.He ran on the wall. He ran on building a wall.And at that time, a lot of people weren't even focusing on immigration.They were looking at the border as immigration and immigration only, and not through the lens of national security.And I would argue that we need to be looking at the immigration issue, not through legal and illegal immigration, but also it's a national security issue right now.We could have met up 15 years ago then, as you were around the corner in Oxford, but anyway, it's taken 15 more years.The issue of, because this should be a perfect issue for MAGA and Trump, but I separate that from the Republicans, because the Republicans are generally far away from MAGA as an institution, And we've had guests on before talking about Trump, I guess, redefining the Republican Party in his image of putting America first.But that America first policy, I guess is key. And it fits in perfectly with the immigration issue.And I think Trump last time talked a lot about the border, talked a lot about building the wall.But this issue of actually those who go through legally, because those who try and break into your country, those are the last people you want involved.Yet those who go through the process, who do things legally, who study what has to be done as a law-abiding citizen and go through those steps, those are exactly the people you want because you know they will fit into society, they will do what has to be done, they will care for their communities, they will actually care for their neighbours.Those are the people that actually kind of want to fit into that American dream.So this issue of legal immigrants getting a fair treatment is like a red meat issue really to MAGA and Trump. 
Yeah absolutely and I don't think you're seeing the Republicans take hold of that narrative as they should be.That's why your article is very good because you're laying it out.And to be honest, this was a new issue to me too.I just took it for granted that when the Biden administration lifted all of the requirements on the COVID-19 vaccination, I assumed that would include all legal immigrants.And this was something that reading your article, it was new to me to be able to, that I didn't know that that was, that they were withholding green cards for those people that have probably taken years and years to be able to finally get that green card. It takes a lot of work, it takes a lot of time, and the process is not easy to get that green card. And when they finally can get it, now they're saying, the Biden administration is now saying you either have to get that COVID-19 vaccination or you don't get your green card.So, that's a big issue. It's a big issue for Republicans to take hold of that and to say that we should have to make these legal immigrants who have done the right thing by going through the legal process, it makes them a very small number, percentage of those who are coming illegally into the United States, you know, when they had the chance to come illegally with everybody else, but they're doing it the right way and they should be honoured and they should be to be able to get that green card 100% without any requirement to get that COVID-19 vaccine, especially when we're seeing all of the negative effects from the COVID-19 vaccine.I've seen people in my family, my loved ones, my relatives, who after the COVID vaccine, we lost them.And so if that was a situation where I had a loved one that had to choose between getting a green card and getting the vaccine, you can't make that decision.There's no way that you could force me, myself, to get that COVID-19 vaccine, just because of the health risk of that.So that is something I don't think Republicans understand. I don't think people realize that that is going on.So your piece was really good, Peter, to really highlight it because I think a lot of times just bringing things into transparency, when you shine a light on issues, it does so much more because then people understand what is going on.And I think this is an issue they were trying to just hide under the rug because they made it look like that it was lifted and it's not. 
Well I pay credit to my ghost-writer but if I can ask how does that fit in with the with the Republicans, possibly RINO, you can touch on that, but having partial control of Capitol Hill. I'm assuming that immigration issues lie solidly with the White House.But please correct me. So what is the situation, how much noise and, well less noise, but how much movement can actual Republicans on Capitol Hill make on this issue of a fair treatment for legals as opposed to illegals? 
I think Congress, you know, we have the three different branches of government, but our legislative branch is the most powerful branch because it's closest to the people, right? And it holds the power of the purse. And our founding fathers created a legislative branch that way to be the most influential and powerful because it is closest to the people. And that's why it does hold the power of the purse. And when you have the power of the purse, you can leverage that, and you can do a lot of, you have a lot of influence. For a perfect example, even when I was over at USAID, when we wanted to be able to cut some of the programs that were not benefiting any kind of American interest in any way.You know, we had to go, we got calls from the Senate, we got calls from the Congress, even though it was under a Republican Trump administration, Congress still had leverage, the Senate still had leverage, so I think even with immigration, even though it would be, we have Biden in the White House, there's a lot that Congress can do, I think for one thing, bring transparency to the issue, hold a hearing on it, hold a congressional hearing it, look into it, Look at all the identify all the cases right now where green cards for legal immigrants are being held up because of the vaccine requirement. That's something that Congress can definitely do. You can, have a subcommittee look into it immediately starting today to start making phone calls and start tracking all of the legal immigrants who are coming into the United States who are being required to get vaccines if they're being held up from their green cards. That is something they can do right now. That's a debate that's going on right now with the defence authorization bill.Congress is saying that you can't do a lot of the things that the Pentagon wants to do, but they're holding it up. So they have a lot of leverage right now. There's a lot of that's what's going on with the Pentagon too, with the vaccine requirements where the Pentagon had fired thousands of servicemen because they didn't get the vaccine. And now they're at a point where where they're pushing back and they're filing lawsuits saying that they were illegally, unconstitutionally let go from the military and they want to serve again.So that debate right now with their vaccine requirements is going on right now.So this is a great, just another example of the Biden administration overstepping their boundaries and overstepping what they can constitutionally do, which you've seen them do over and over.Every single day they're breaking the constitution, every single day they're breaking the law, but hold them accountable and push back and say, no, you can't do that.You don't have, you cannot require the COVID-19 vaccine for the legal immigrants.I think that is something they definitely can do.You mentioned fentanyl. Let me, I want to ask you about the the drug issue, a little bit off topic, but I was, I've never seen drug abuse as visible until I went to the U.S. last year, and that was predominantly in L.A., where sadly I don't think I'd ever want to go again on the west coast.And just people out of it, wandering through the streets, zombie-like status, people lying all over the pavements, needles everywhere.I've literally never seen anything like that in all my travels on nearly every European country many times.Tell us about this fentanyl issue because it does seem to be completely out of control. And we've had, maybe in the last year, we've had UK media doing large reports, large stories, not only in newspapers but on TV, actually reporting the literally out of control situation of drug abuse in the US.Is that a fair assessment, kind of, what are your thoughts as an American to the current situation.Yeah, I think you're seeing the impact, and you're seeing it every single area.You're hearing it from people who have lost loved ones.It's becoming way too common where somebody's son, daughter, mother, father, brother, sister was killed by fentanyl, from fentanyl, and it's happening too often, and it's too close to home for most Americans.And you see it, even like I was saying. You're seeing the crime and the impact of the illegal immigration policies under the Biden administration in your local community.But a lot of that, like I've seen a change in my area where I live in Florida.I've seen a change just from last summer.We're seeing a lot of people on the streets that are on, you know, there are on drugs, they are hunched over and you can tell that and they are, you know, they're homeless, they're on drugs. You're seeing that and it's impacting people no matter where you live.
Doesn't matter if you live in the most elite neighbourhood your area will be impacted by the increase of fentanyl in the United States and it's the largest number of death, more people die from fentanyl than any other thing between 18, and 34 years old in the United States I think it's around 34, 40 years and younger but that's the largest the cause of death for Americans in the United States. So it has to get, we have to be able to address it and I think there's a lot more that can be done, Ultimately, I know you had Jaeson Jones on here. He's the number one expert on the cartels on the southern border.You can't get anyone better than Jaeson Jones. But he talks a lot about the cartels and that's where you have to really be able to go after the cartels. Designate them as a foreign terrorist organization and get to the core underlining cause of what is allowing all this fentanyl to come into the United States and go after it and basically you know cut the snake's head off and that's where you're gonna see, be able to really address the fentanyl issue, but it has to be addressed.You never know who's going to be impacted, your closest friends.I know people close to me who lost a loved one because of fentanyl, and it is a big issue.And I'm surprised to hear that you saw that the most when you came to the United States.And that says a lot.And why is that? Is that a mixture of, you've got open borders, completely open borders, even in so-called Republican states. You have, I guess, lax punishments, and you have a number of states legalising drugs higher and higher level. I guess you've got lack of church involvement, and both of us are strong Christians, and the church really should be taking a role in some of these issues which damage society and they're not. Or is it just simply politicians engaged in other things, busy with more pressing issues for them than this? How has it slipped in to American society?Well, I think, number one, open borders. I mean, our borders are completely open. We have no operational control at the borders. It's basically run by the cartels. Operational control is by the cartels. So we definitely have to get control of our borders. That is number one.But number two, I'm glad you hit on, Peter, the role of the church, especially in American society, right? We have basically self-rule government, where we want a limited government that stays within their jurisdictions. And I'm always, as the American way, government's not going to solve your problems. Government needs to get out of the way. Government needs to be able to create kind of like a sidewalk. They need to be able to create space so that people can live freely and just protect that space. And so that's where like the role of the church comes in.You can never change. Government can't change people's hearts. Government is not going to be the solution for America. God is going to be the solution for America because only God can change the hearts of the American people. And that's what the founders believed.And that's why they created our system of government that way, is that the government is meant to protect the church, right? So that we can have that freedom of religion, and government will protect our freedom of worship. Wherever religion we choose, government is to protect that. That is a right that Americans have in the United States, and that government cannot interfere in that. And so that's where the role of the church does need to step in. Government can't fix it. Yes, we do need to secure our borders, absolutely. But on the other hand, exactly what you said, the church needs to step in, absolutely needs to step in, and we need to be able to have, if you look at our statistics for those that go to church and believe in God, it's sad, and we're seeing a decline in the United States of that.But I also believe that we're on the greatest verge of a revival as well.I really do think that as well, and that's what ultimately is going to solve the fentanyl problem.We can only do what we can do policy-wise, but ultimately God has to change our hearts too.Government is meant to create the situation so that we have the ability to be able to make those changes, the ability to be able to do what we can do and not interfere in that. So we do definitely need to have the Church step up into helping with programs for fentanyl and just getting to know God, getting to know the Lord, having a personal relationship with Him that's gonna transform your heart. 
100% nothing beats a personal relationship with Jesus.That changes a lot. 
No, absolutely. 
Tera, can I just ask you personally, you've had, we've touched on, immigration, we've touched on the drugs issue and you, I guess, as someone who has been in Congress, served with a Congressman, your time in the White House, then you've also had in media with, certainly in the Breitbart days and more recently with Real America Voice. So you've got a perspective from the policy side but also from the media side. How do you with those two hats, how do you look at what's happening and what are the issues which you, as an American personally are most concerned about.
I think that's really key points because those are the two key, It's policy and the media drives policy, And I really saw that as I mentioned earlier in the show Peter, the reason I even got into journalism was because I was on the ground in Egypt, during the counter revolution in 2013 when you had 30 million Egyptians go to the streets.to remove the Muslim Brotherhood from government and CNN covered the Muslim Brotherhood, the terrorists who were tied to Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations who were committing violence on the street.It was very similar to what happened with BLM here in the United States back in 2020 when you had CNN and you had mainstream media standing in front of burning buildings saying, You know, here's a BLM, you know, protest, but it's mostly peaceful when you had the building burning behind you.Well, that's what I saw when I was on the ground over in the Middle East during the Arab Spring.The mainstream media was completely lying and driving a false narrative.And that false narrative was impacting our policy.That's what the Pentagon watched. That's what members of Congress watched.That's what impacted the Obama administration. Then when they came out and they were going to cut aid to Egypt for removing a terrorist organization who was in power, who was terrorizing and destroying Egypt.And so I saw the impact that media has on our policy. So when I was coming from a policy field heading, you know, I had worked in Congress, I had been on the presidential campaign with Michelle Bachmann during the 2012 presidential election, and coming from that field I saw how much media matters. When you give a false narrative, that is what they use to make their policy. And another perfect example that I went through that same way where they use the media to impact their policy was the Mueller investigation. I worked in the White House. I came in the first day of day one. I worked at the National Security Council. And I remember watching, I was in my office and I remember watching CNN and they said they were launching the special counsel, the Mueller investigation, the special counsel on President Trump and his ties to Russia.And I remember thinking, you know, that Russia, like, you know, obviously that's not gonna have anything to do with me. There's no impact there." Well, I was wrong because the Mueller investigation actually, it really impacted anyone who served on the campaign, anyone who went into the transition team. And when we look back at that, how did the Mueller investigation start? The Mueller investigation started because they were leaking false narratives, false articles in the media.And then what happened? Well, the FBI was the one leaking those articles and then they launched an investigation using those articles. So what's happened today in our culture and Europe and England, all over CNN International, all mainstream media, and you have it just as bad as we have it.And thank you for doing what you do because you're a voice of truth against the mainstream media who's just projecting a false narrative, but that false narrative is actually a political arm of the Democratic Party.That's what's happening. The media has turned into the political arm of the Democratic Party.So they create a narrative, or they follow with a narrative.And so I really was able to see the impact that the mainstream media has on our policy.
When I went overseas during the Arab Spring under the Obama administration, I was on the ground in Egypt when you had 30 million Egyptians come out to the streets to call for early elections against the Muslim Brotherhood regime and the Morsi regime, who were tied to Al-Qaeda, who were committing terrorist acts, who were persecuting Christians, who were making women wear the hijab and cut their hair and the Egyptians said we've had enough and well what I saw was CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, all reported completely on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood and they ignored the 30 million Egyptians who were in a line, who stood with American values, like they wanted to have freedom, they wanted to remove a terrorist organizations who we were still at war with, America was still at war with in Afghanistan and Iraq, we were still losing American troops to Al Qaeda-linked terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet the media was portraying it that it was a military coup, that was not the truth, and that impacted our policy, where then the Biden administration wanted to cut aid to Egypt.That was what was happening, and I saw it on the ground, and I thought that's when I started writing. That's when I started speaking out because I saw the impact that the media has and nobody else was on the ground. No journalists were there. I was the only journalist basically pushing back that was on the ground with real footage with the truth to say this isn't what's happening, this isn't the truth and that's going to impact our policy. And that's what really began my journey where I went from all these different Arab Spring countries to be able to really get on the ground and to be able to really see first-hand what was happening because I saw how important it was because I came from the policy field and I saw that they were watching CNN at the Pentagon, they were watching Al Jazeera at the Pentagon, and that was impacting their policy. And so what I did then after that, because I saw how much it matters for people to see first-hand and get the truth, we had delegations. We sponsored delegation after delegation after delegation that included members of the mainstream media, that included former generals, people that had a voice that they could see for themselves.You see it yourself, and then you go back and you say what you saw.But don't listen to The New York Times, don't listen to The Washington Post.You see it first-hand, because this is going to impact America's national security for, a very long time. And that was prior to the ISIS taking over in the ISIS caliphate that was prior to that the Islamic caliphate that happened in Iraq and Syria. So just imagine if what had happened, if people didn't push back from the Arab Spring. You would have had Egypt fall to the Islamist. You would have had Libya fall. You would have had Syria fall. Tunisia would have fallen So just think of how different that policy would have been had the mainstream media had their way, had the Obama administration had their way. But the point is, is that I've seen it first-hand, the impact, and when I worked for President Trump on the Trump campaign, then following that, my time on the ground with the Arab Spring, I saw the same actors coming against President Trump, and that was before fake news was fake news. So I was calling out fake news before any, before other people were labelling it fake news, and I saw how the New York Times would write about Trump.And I saw how Washington Post would write about Trump and CNN, and that was all new. Like at that time, people didn't quite realize how the media had really turned in to a political arm of the Democratic Party, right? It was, we didn't really tie that together, that it was so strong, because that really happened, I think, under the Obama administration, is when you just had this complete turnover to the Democratic Party. They just used the Democratic Party's talking points. You know, there's really no freedom or liberty within the mainstream media anymore. They basically just go off their political talking points. I think the DNC might just email them their talking points of the day and that's what they use because they all have the same points on every single show. And so that's where I saw like when when the same people were coming after Trump I thought yes he's the right guy, he's the right candidate, and this is the person that I want to support. And then we saw just how fake news completely into the Trump administration, I dealt with it over and over again, the fake news and just how they are, they're so, they're so manipulating the American public.But thank you for doing what you do because you are a voice of truth.And I'm sure that's a similar story with the need for having real, true media. It matters.
Oh, it does, and we lack it. The US, I think over there, stateside, you've got much more established alternative media sources. We are still playing catch-up massively.But just to finish off, can I just ask you again on that international side, on that. You've got a grasp of geopolitics of the international side, and we may in the UK mock the Americans for never venturing beyond the borders of the US, not having passports, all of that. And yet, being the world's policeman, although we may mock it, I think in Europe, Europe relies on America being a strong voice of reason because the EU don't have the ability, don't have the capability, don't have the money, don't have the organizational ability, everything. They just don't have it. So the EU, Europe as a whole and the UK look to America for buying that stability and God forbid we have China take that role which looks like what is going to happen and watching the Afghanistan debacle, you kind of shake your head. Where does it leave the U.S. at the moment for being that voice of reason, that moral framework, that world's policeman in effect throughout the world?
Well I think Afghanistan is a perfect example right now. I spent time in Afghanistan, I spent time out with the Marines in Helmand province. I've seen, I've have been at the bedside of our troops that have come back into the hospitals.So I've been there, I've seen it. And to see what happened in Afghanistan under this administration is completely treasonous.There was no reason that we needed to abruptly depart Afghanistan the way that we did.No, we should have kept Bagram. I think we basically gave Bagram over an airfield right to China.And it was a very strategic location, Bagram. It's by China.By Iran, it's by Afghanistan. It was a very strategic location for us to have that airfield.And that is something I know that under a Trump administration, that's the difference that you see between these administrations. So the Biden administration completely, that was, it was it was treasonous in my opinion to leave it after all the investment that the United States has done over 20 years and we basically handed it over to China, Russia and Iran. That's where we're seeing it and I think what's happening though is you really have a continuation of the Obama presidency right now in the Biden presidency. So they're continuing and this is according to Obama's own words when President Biden took office in a New York Times article, President Obama said that 90% of the people working for Biden are from his staff, are from his administration, and they're just continuing the policies from the Obama administration.And what you saw under the Obama administration was really a policy of leading from behind.We were showing weakness. We were emboldening our enemies and alienating our allies.And it was like that was the foreign policy that we saw under the Obama administration.And it's the same policies that are being under the Biden administration.And it's not a good time for America when we look at, I mean, it's a hopeful time because I think we're looking at 2024, we have the Republicans in Congress.I think we're seeing, there's a lot of hope. I think we have more religious freedom than we've ever had with some of these Supreme Court cases.Like we have a lot of amazing things happening in our country, but we have a lot of dangerous things as well, especially that's coming in from our southern border.And when you have a weak administration and you're portraying a sense of weakness, look at what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine.That happened immediately when the Biden administration took power.That never would have happened if the Biden administration didn't pull out of Afghanistan and portray a sense of weakness. That's what happened.
They showed weakness. Russia took advantage of it and went into Ukraine.And now what are we looking at? We're probably looking at China invading Taiwan.And the next threat that we're going to look at, I believe, is China going to invade Taiwan.And that's going to critically impact the United States at home, it's gonna impact Europe, it's gonna impact the world.But I think that's the threat that we're facing right now, and we're looking at the threat coming in from the southern border.We've seen a 900% increase in Chinese nationals coming through the southern border.That's almost 10,000 Chinese nationals, and a majority of those, out of those almost 10,000, 8,200 of them are Chinese military-aged men.Coming through our southern border just in the last fiscal year.So that's about the last seven months where we used to see very low numbers.We used to be like around, I think, believe years prior, 100, 200, and now we're seeing almost 10,000 in this fiscal year already.And so the threat from China at our southern border is as a big... Cuba, let's look at Cuba, they're building a spy base right now in Cuba, 80 miles away from Florida, where I live right now.So we're seeing this emboldening China right now, and I just don't think that if you don't have a strong defence like Ronald Reagan, right, peace through strength, build a strong military so that you deter your adversaries.And that's not what we're doing, that's not what we're prioritizing.And so when I think when we look at Ukraine right now, you really have China wanting us to be involved in Ukraine because they're going through our supplies or using our resources so that when they can take our eye off the ball of them and focus on Ukraine, and then they'll have an opportunity to invade Taiwan.But it's all because the administration is portraying this sense of weakness.And you can't do that. America is the number one strongest nation in the world, and we cannot portray weakness because when we do, it impacts everybody.And that's where I think you're seeing these other allies, especially our Arab allies, are starting to look under the Obama administration, when we really abandoned them, we abandoned them and they're looking at China and they're looking at Russia.And so we're pushing our allies towards our enemies and that policy is just a trajectory in the wrong direction.And so I'm just really hoping for 2024 and really hoping that we have a new administration to steer us in the right direction.100% and I got my Trump hat behind me so I've nailed my colours to the mast.Not that it matters, I'm not an American, so I don't have a right to vote.Tera, it's been wonderful having you on. I really appreciate your insights on all of these issues.And I've enjoyed watching you on Frank Gaffney, on War Room with Steve Bannon.Are you going to be on our screens more often then?
Well, let's see, I'm not sure. 
I hope so. Tera, thank you so much for being with us today.
Thank you, Peter. God bless you.
 

The Week According To . . . Karli Bonne’

Saturday Night Live and this episode we head back across the pond to welcome back, by public demand, the totally awesome Karli Bonne'.Karli runs arguably the No 1 MAGA and current affairs social media account on the web, so this is a lady with her finger firmly on the pulse of what's happening now.So who better than 'The Cackling Conservative' to talk through what has piqued our interest in the news, in articles and from her social media posts over the past seven days?So buckle up 'Midnight Riders' as Karli is sure to have the snowflakes scurrying to their safe spaces.Topics in the cross-hairs this episode...- Stop the green card jab mandates: It’s time for Republicans to champion the rights of legal law-abiding immigrants.- Zelensky mocks request for gratitude towards Western taxpayers.- Leftist Judge rules that citizens are not allowed to examine voting machine tabulators without a court order, – opening the door for lawsuits against Pro-Trump researchers.- MAGA 2024: Trump holds 37 point lead for the Republican nomination. - 'I'm not a number 2 guy': Ron DeSantis says he won't be Donald Trump's running mate if he doesn't win GOP nomination.- The power of Tucker Carlson.- Pence: America is not his concern.- US military runs low on ammunition and plans on sending cluster bombs to Ukraine.... which are banned in 120 countries.- ‘Sound of Freedom’ movie flying high to rave reviews.
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Kim Isherwood - Sex Ed at Three: Education or Indoctrination?

Show notes and Transcript
Kim Isherwood heads up the most important campaign group in Wales.
Public Child Protection Wales seeks to protect children from state sexualisation and wake parents up to the evils being forced on their children.  Kim joins us to discuss what first alerted her to how the education system is been used to groom our children. She explains how the Welsh politicians and media have simply gone along with this evil with many of them actively promoting it. Without PCP Wales many parents would be none the wiser to what teachers are doing to their children. What can the public and parents do to get involved in this battle to save our children? Join us to be inspired and hear Kim explain how you can become part of the fightback, and please share with family and friends.
Kimberley Isherwood is first and foremost a mother and she is the Chair of Public Child Protection Wales (PCP Wales), a parent-led, not for profit organisation concerned at the way national and local Governments have failed children in safeguarding and education.Kim holds a degree in Criminology and Social Policy and a masters degree in Criminology and is a fully accredited Relationship & Sexuality Education teacher trainer doing a post grad in Applied Criminal Justice and Criminology.She is not afraid of hard work and is always ready to ask the questions others will not and last year PCP Wales took the Welsh Government to court over proposals to bring in comprehensive sexuality education for children as young as three.
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Interview recorded 10.7.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Kim Isherwood.I have followed Kim for about nine months now, and thrilled to have her on.She heads up an organisation called Public Child Protection Wales, and this is about safeguarding, protecting our children from the sexualisation onslaught that is coming all across the world.And she discusses why she's got involved in this, why she started the organisation, she discusses some of the teaching materials that are now being used to sexually abuse our children. And how parents, or if you're not a parent, you maybe have someone in your family, a child in your extended family, and you want to preserve their childhood life.You want to hold off this because there is an age-appropriate time for all of this. And Kim talks about that clash between parental rights and governmental rights. 
Kim Isherwood, it is wonderful to have you with us. Thanks for your time today.(Kim Isherwood)
No, thank you for your time, Peter. I really appreciate this.
Not at all. I've wanted you on for the last probably six or eight months. I've seen you at different things and what you cover is absolutely essential. As a parent, I understand that, you're a parent, but it's not just for parents, but those who have friends, nephews, nieces, whatever, because it affects everyone, I think, what we're going to discuss. But publicchildprotectionwales.org is where you can find Kim's excellent organisation. She's also on Twitter, @KimberlyTish. All those will be in the description, so make sure and follow what Kim is doing.But maybe before we get into PCP Wales, why it's needed, what you're doing, the education system, why it's not just Wales but all over the UK and actually worldwide what we're facing, could you take just a few minutes and introduce yourself to our viewers and listeners.
Well yeah as you said my name is Kim Isherwood and I always described myself as a child from the streets. I was homeless on and off from the age of 14 to 21 and I spent a bit of time in a youth offenders institute and that's where I discovered that institutional child sex abuse.Everybody in there had been abused you know so that's what I developed a passion for that obviously you know very close to my heart you're living with these girls for a long time and you you get to see a lot of what they've been through.Moving on, then I became a mother. My eldest son has autism and ADHD, so I then furthered my education in the realms of social policy.I then went on to do a few, I've done three university courses, a certificate in higher education for vulnerable adults, social policy and criminology, and then most recently a master's in criminology.So I've kept, obviously, the two fields separate. One was my passion and one was a passion as a mother.And then in January, 2020, I discovered an article online regarding sex education in three-year-olds.And these two worlds just collided, Peter. I was absolutely amazed at how these two fields could cross in such a way.I tried my best to look a bit further. And obviously then I discovered it was far more sinister, than what anybody's given it credit for, you know?So that's when I started the campaign against the sex education, it was just a Facebook group.And then later on, it was about six months later, we discovered further failings within our system.And that's when we established Public Child Protection Wales.Because I've spent the last 15 years supporting families of children with additional needs, forced adoptions, removals, and things like that.With this campaign, with the sex education and the casework that I do on a one-to-one basis with families, we felt we had no option other than to set up this organisation to try and address these issues and obviously our immediate concern right now is the sex education but we do have plans to go on and address all the safeguarding policies, rewrite the training in Wales and basically you try and make this the safest place in the world for raising and educating children which is not rocket science.I see the passion and enthusiasm, massive concern, it comes across, it's plain for all to see, you know the topic and you have a deep concern of what is happening.You read about it just in the media, you became aware, it's more and more public what's happening, our newspapers report it, just like entertainment news now, really. How did it hit you? And it doesn't hit so many other people, because I have the conversation with parents and they nod, but it doesn't seem to really hit them or get them. 
Well, I'm the kind of person that I need to prove things wrong. So I first discovered the sex education in 2013, and it was an article online, and it was talking about masturbation from age four in Spanish schools introduced to the World Health Organization. People were saying it was Jewish propaganda because it came from a website called Israel 360 and obviously I went looking. I found the document, this article was not propaganda and I was naïve, very very naïve, you know you're looking at the World Health Organization how on earth are they saying we are sexual from birth and we should be masturbating from birth, you know? So one thing led to another and it wasn't long before we found the source of this data, and I use that term loosely, you know? And so for me, when I discovered it in the Welsh documents then, you know, like seven years later, it was an absolute no-brainer.Again, naïve, I believe this wouldn't hit the British Isles, you know, and it literally took my heart sunk. I read a headline saying the Welsh government have removed your parental opt-out for sex education from age three. Now I want to categorically state that with my experience with institutional abuse, had I not known the origins of these frameworks, I probably would have thought, hmm, age three, but then I would have thought to myself, do you know what, it's needed to keep these children safe. That's what I would have thought, that's probably what I would have, to know what I mean, come to the conclusion about. But knowing the origin of this documentation, it reads like models of offending, you know, so the process people go to offend, it's like a step-by-step instruction, so I would say it's a manual of offending. And that was something I just could not let go of, you know, I cannot let go of that. It's one thing when it's across the pond and you can pass it off as crazy Yanks going through a faze or whatever, but it's something quite different than when it's actually in your living room, you know.So we could not let it go and we will never let it go, you know, for that reason.
I've been curious, kind of touching the political side, and then we'll get on to the website itself and what you have, because I, as someone maybe on the right, kind of in UKIP and all that, I've been happy to blame Labour, point the finger at Labour, but living in, someone from Northern Ireland living in London. England is just as bad when you have a pretend Conservative Party. We have it just as bad here. Northern Ireland's maybe the only part of the Union that has maybe held off a little bit more because it is more traditional in its viewpoint of many things. Have you looked at it politically and kind of wondered how it's not just one side of the political spectrum, but it seems to be right across. Everyone seems to have fallen for this.Yeah, well, what it was in, there's a document on our website, it was published by, Planned Parenthood Federation, and it's an overview of 25 countries. So in there on page 174, it discusses England, but in the corner of the page, it tells you that the studies in England apply to the whole of the UK.If you read page 8 it actually tells you and it states five select committees so we've assumed that this includes Southern Ireland. It states that all five select committees of the UK have adopted this sex education with the view for legislative changes and this took place in March 2017. So we're all in the same storm we're just in different boats so that would mean that it was the Labour government in Wales, it was a Conservative government for England, it was the SNP for Scotland, and I'm unaware who it would have been for Northern Ireland, I'm sorry.But yeah, so this is not a political issue, it seems to be, it's orders from above, you know, this is orders from above, this is the World Health Organisation, and the United Nations are pulling the strings on this. So again, I had no idea that all four UK countries were involved in this until after we'd started the campaign and my colleague had found the documentation.So even when we saw some of this less in common in England in 2018, I did think to myself, they need to get that sorted out, you know, because we knew exactly where this self-stimulation for four-year-olds had come from and again that was the United Nations. So yeah we're all in the same predicament here. A concerning thing is we've been legislated against in Wales harshly.Without having this lesson content as rough as they've had it in England and Scotland.But this will be applied to the whole of the UK. They've adopted the same thing.And the term I keep using is, if they have signed a contract for a BMW, they are not going to be driving a Focus into the classroom. It's that BMW that's coming. So this is something the whole of the UK need to be aware of now. We did prove this as well as fact in the judicial review.Our case should be out there now for public viewing. There are two claimants who referenced this global sex education, that's myself and one of the claimants that we had to anonymise. Well, this was proven as fact. These documents have now reached mainstream media with the Conservative politicians in Wales claiming they are outraged. Well, every Conservative politician in Wales had this evidence. They were asked to support us when we issued the letter before action to the Labour government and they have not supported us, but they will make statements on our behalf.So this is where we're at. This is not a party solution, it is a people solution.
Yeah, the pretend outrage from so-called conservatives. Let me bring up the website. This is the front page of the website. Tell us about starting PCP Wales, kind of the initial starting, and how you have, I guess, developed it, rolled it out, got people involved.Well, to tell you the truth, we had to learn everything. We had to learn how to build the website by ourselves. We got a nice team together, we wrote the constitution, opened the bank account and we have been, we've been pretty much building a brand you know we if you look at our demonstrations now everybody's there kitted out in their uniform and eventually Public Child Protection Wales sex education will be a tiny part of that because we've just, we're not happy with the children's commissioner, we're not happy with the safeguarding procedures here in Wales and having a degree in social policy being devolved for just 20 years, we don't feel that is good enough, we feel that we do have the skills to make this country far safer and we are not supported by the NSPCC, we are not supported by the Children's Commissioner, we are not supported by Barnardo's, therefore we do not think they should be funded in the way they are, they are irrelevant to us on the ground, so we are building our own organisation simply because they are not good enough, they are not filling the criteria, they are not keeping our children safe, therefore we've built Public Child Protection Wales with the view to dissolve the rest of the people really.Tell us your mission statement about promoting a high standard of safeguarding to the children of Wales. I think people are quite shocked that that is not in place already.A lot of the things that you talk about, people think well this is common sense. I'm sure they're already in place and then when you begin to look you find out actually there are next to no safeguarding procedures to actually protect children from sexualization. 
Well this is another thing what we have done is, everybody's groomed by the system you believe schools are places of safeguarding, so the first thing we did was we put our team through level two safeguarding exactly the same as the teachers, so people could understand what was going on. I obviously sit in on this training, I explain the differences and I try to get people to really think.So people assume schools are places of safeguarding, they assume these people are vetted.Well the DBS only detects convictions, so unless you've been convicted of a sexual assault, that's not going to be flagged up anyway. A PNC check now that would be more in depth, because that flags up reports you know concerns without the convictions and when you actually look, at the safeguarding procedures in general all of the training, I am yet to find a single piece of training that educates school staff on what happens within their institution. Now we get reports published by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse on the rates of sex abuse in schools and they claim, and I'm quoting the document here, that sex abuse in schools is an open secret.With over 40% of children who are being abused, they're aware of it happening to other children.So a major issue here is the fact that they are not trained in institutional child sex abuse.Now my argument here is simple. To protect your car from a car thief, you think like a car thief.To protect your house from a burglar, you think like a burglar. So to protect a child from a predator, you need to understand the mind and behaviour of predators, yet that training is completely absent. When you speak to a teacher about institutional child sex abuse, they will say what is that? Well you work in that environment? It is littered with abuses, why do you not know?So what we have, we have a system that develops policy based on statistics. Now they will use stats from the Office of National Statistics and the Crime Survey England and Wales.There you will find records of familial abuse, that's abuse at home and that's only because it's been reported. Now we built policy on these statistics because of that's what we've collected, yet institutional child sex abuse goes on for longer periods of time, there is usually multiple victims and it gets, and it doesn't get reported you know and you can look at another report by by the IICSA that claims schools are reluctant to report abuse.So we're not collecting these statistics.We will see academic reports years later about what happened years ago.But those stats are never collected, and they are never used for the development of policy.Well, I am the person who looks for the hidden statistics.So I do FOIs in police stations. I look at the Education Workforce Council fitness of practice panels.And when we are getting in excess of 200 sexual assaults and rapes in one Police Force. For three academic years and schools are reluctant to to report this abuse then we really do have issues you know and we also um, so the so the safeguarding procedure in school is simple, the level two safe guarders report concerns to the safeguard lead who is level three, well I'm safeguard lead, all my job is to decide whether it goes to the police, social services or the safeguarding board. That's all my job is. Now if you look at another report published it was jointly commissioned by the Welsh Government, Barnardo's and the serious sexual assaults.I can't remember the name of it now, but it's the serious sexual assaults department it is and I actually know the lady who wrote this report it was Dr Sue Roberts. Now she took cases from social services. So, we've got teachers believing this stuff is going to social services and it's being dealt with. Well, the social workers are not trained in child sex abuse at all.No social services are trained in child sex abuse in fine detail. They do their third-party training and that's it. Not only does it mention that, it states the social workers do not know what to do with the disclosure of abuse. They're not allowed to ask questions around the disclosure of abuse and they very often have to go to their supervisors or line managers. So what we're dealing with here is a report and pass system. If it is reported and passed it goes to social services and then it kind of flops anyway. So these are issues that we need to address and I've met loads of social workers who are really into child sex abuse but they've had to go and do a master's in criminology just to specialise in that field you know so we've got all these lines ofthese disciplines and these academic disciplines but they're not crossing, they're not overlapping. So we're very much within a system that has groomed us into believing schools are places of safeguarding when we're actually living in a system that does not address institutional child sex abuse and I suspect that is probably the reason why the media and politicians will not speak to us because every time they do, we mention institutional child sex abuse and that is never aired. In actual fact, it was one time on Jeremy Vine, he said we'll forget about that for now. So this is the kind of thing we're dealing with. Nobody wants to look at what's happening within our school system anyway. They believe the safeguards. They believe correct terminology for your genitalia safeguards as well. And again, that's a myth that we are setting out to prove is false.
One other thing you talk about in your mission statement is ensuring parental care involvement remains at the heart of all developments. And there's one side is, I guess, parents have trusted their children to the education system.I think what you're doing is helping wake parents up to that is not a trustworthy institution any longer.But then they think well don't worry as a parent I can get involved. I've seen story upon story that and personally I've seen, that's not the case. The school is not, schools are not necessarily welcoming parental involvement. Is that a fair assessment? 
That is absolutely a fair assessment and I'll bring your attention to a recent court case, the Claire Page case. So Claire Page wanted know her daughter was being taught in school via a third-party sex education organisation.They would not give her the resources. She found some very questionable stuff on the website, very graphic.Their personal lives as well you know are questionable and the court has actually decided it's not in the public interest to share these resources with parents. Now time and time again we keep coming up against this thing about copyright, the schools can't show us because of copyright and when you look at these third party organizations very often their only qualification is their sexuality, there is no safeguarding training even though we complain safeguarding trainers are not up to scratch. It's not there anyway. You know, they have no qualifications in child development, child psychology. There is nothing there. There's no professionalism there. But what we're actually dealing with here are complex specialist fields, you know, and they just being dished out by, it's where they're having a party during these people have got together for a party, cook this stuff up and they just throwing it out. Like it's the be-all and end-all. Well yeah, it's the be-all and end-all of childhood in a sense.
Because, well probably 25% of our viewers are US and then probably about 65 UK. And we, Kim, you, we both watched some of the videos of school board meetings in the US, with the parents reading out some of the awful materials. And it seemed to be they have a place to air it. We, in the UK, seem to be quite different. We don't seem to have that same public forum to air it and then the school can pick parents off one by one.
Yeah, well I've actually attended meetings and I've been kicked off the meetings because the government is sending out these people to front these organisations and tell parents things aren't, you know. So these organisations are supposed to be there to support the schools but then they're saying in the same sentence then that the teachers have the final say.Well how can the teachers have a final say over something you don't understand? They've brought you in for that so who is actually supporting who here and also when you ask them for the resources to back their statements, so correct terminology safeguards where's the research to support that? simply non-existent children can differentiate between good touch bad touch, where's the research to support that? it's practically it's non-existent you know, so these things these phrases are they throwing out there the non-existent anyway you know so if If they could back these things up, that would be something, you know, but they can't.Nobody will come in on a proper debate.No one will give us air time simply because what we are speaking is the truth and is common sense.And if it gets out what we are saying, then that's going to change the whole mindset of parents anyway, you know, because they are being told this stuff safeguards.Where is some of the push for it? I mean, I've been in my kids' schools, and you see the whole pride wall during Pride Month, and I don't think that should have any say.That's completely separate from LGBT lifestyles. When you're looking at schools, sexualisation in schools, that should have no part.Both cases, in a Church of England school, where I think sometimes in the UK we trust. And I'm saying that as a Christian, that we trust the Church of England.They will bring biblical, correct teaching. That's not the case. Where's the push coming from? Is it coming from those well-funded LGBT organizations like Stonewall? Is it fear of being called out? Where's it coming from? 
Yeah, so it is coming from these well-funded lobbyists.They are doing the work of the people from the top, you know, and that's it. Empty vessels make the loudest noise. They are getting all the airtime. You've got to have a victim and a demon for this kind of thing to work, so they will victimise people and then they'll demonise the common sense people then, you know. But this is coming from the third party lobbyists.They are open about it. You've got the work of Dr Ellie Barnes, who openly says she wants to smash heteronormativity. She references the work of Dr Alfred Kinsey and that work as tables of sexual abuse of children as young as two. So yeah we've got some questionable academics and like I said they are all linked to these lobbyist groups, they're all well funded and yeah that's that's where it's coming from basically. They have a say over everything, now a lot of people will say well you know but we we talk about straight relationships all the time we need to have this in school. Well actually no we don't because when I was in school you would only know your teacher's married if they had a ring or their name was Mrs. You know, if I said, Miss, have you got a boyfriend? I would be told to mind my own business. So that's a big point people are missing here.Where's the professionalism?What about parents when they speak out? I know a case in school I know well, and a teacher was finishing up and decided to explain to the children of seven-year-olds that she was a lesbian, getting married to a lesbian lover.And this is what lesbian was all about. And it started to describe lesbian sexual relationships to seven-year-olds.Obviously, no place in a school. When parents complained, they were threatened with being reported to social services.Is that... Tell us about that, because I think parents sometimes are a bit reticent, but I think it's probably you have to be wise and maybe how you approach engaging with a school.
Yeah, well this is something that is happening. Parents are being reported to social services because what people are not aware of is our children now have sexual and reproductive rights.So the first step of this education is if you interfere you're breaching your child's right to an education. The step further from that then is you're breaching your child's sexual and reproductive rights. So we are on a slippery slope here, you know, parents don't have a single say at all, but I have always had a great relationship with my son's school only because it was a three-way partnership, you know, school, child and the parent.Where are we going with this? You know, we know exactly where we're going with this.It's damage limitation now, isn't it?
Oh, yeah. What has been the response to you from organisations and media as you've tried to highlight the abuse that's happening in schools?
Well, the media are not reporting anything. I film every single altercation with the media anyway, and I also send them the evidence afterwards to show that we are, you know, speaking the truth.But the media won't publish any of that.You know, they have been publishing facts of our case. So the World Health Organization documentation, UNESCO documentation, but they don't want, they don't wanna show you guys exactly what's going on, you see?So now this is gonna be tomorrow's chip wrapper more than anything.But what I keep saying to the media is this, you don't like us because when you point your camera into our crowd, you don't know if it's a Christian or a lesbian. So out here in Wales, we have united every single minority group, every single group, religious, non-religious, sexualities, we have united them all. But that goes against everything they promote. That goes against every narrative that they push out there. They don't want the UK to know there is a group of common sense people in Wales fighting for the safety of their children. They want people to think we are bigots. They want people to think we are homophobic. Well, half of our panel is part of the LGBT community anyway. So again, you know, this is why they won't report on us because they can't demonize us. They have given a statement saying that this is misinformation and they are yet to point out what that misinformation is because we've proven it in court as fact.
On the website, again, people can get all the resources.Please do make use of it. And if you go to the here, the sex ed part, you can click resources, and there is a wide range of resources available there, telling you what is happening.And then it goes into some of the WHO stuff. Now, I guess it's strange, people don't think the WHO, What are they doing involved?When you look into this, you find organizations involved, which kind of surprises why they're getting.And they go through right from the beginning of zero to four, talking about masturbation, or at that age, children knowing what's best for them.I mean, tell us about how the kind of organizations, how they are pushing this agenda.Well, there's three theories, there's three underlying theories here. So one is we are sexual from birth. The other is the gender ideology, which means, well, they say gender is a social construct. Then the third is the queer theory, and that's being played as your hip and cool if you're queer. Well, actually, the main aim of queer theory is to queer all heteronormativity and to prove that there's not a binary between gender, sexuality, and the most concerning of all, there's no binary between adulthood and childhood. They don't believe in childhood, they believe childhood in a sense is a myth, and you know when you look into their work they say things like child plus adult equals okay, this is what we are dealing with here, these academic disciplines that's being promoted as something that's really cool, it's coming down from professors, you know in the universities so it's being sold as credible then but when you actually look into the stuff you expose these people for who they are, their social media then disappears. So these are people who cannot even stand by their conviction here, you know, if they could stand by that conviction, then that would be something.Tell us about the political pushback. As you've spoken, what's been the pushback, certainly from Welsh politicians?
So there's been absolutely no political pushback whatsoever. There was a handful of politicians against this, and then they didn't get in on the next election. So we had one politician they went from 23,000 votes the previous term all down to 1,200 when I know of a thousand non-voters that voted anyway. We had one member of the Senate who wasn't even on the ballot paper, so the people who were speaking out about this they seem to have disappeared.We had Kirsty Williams who was flying the flag for this education who gave a fantastic speech if anybody wants to see that on YouTube, she gave a nice performance saying how the children of Wales are banking on her, they are banking on her for this education, she did not sit in the next election she got off on the next stop, so we've got the politicians are acting like we don't exist basically they're not giving us any airtime they have even said that this is paedophile conspiracies when what we have said is these are paedophile policies and you only have to look at the paedophile information exchange manifesto to see that, you know, so again we've proven that as fact as well.There is no political pushback, there is a group in parliament, a group of about 40 politicians who are fighting against this gender ideology but again they're from all different political parties So there is no political pushback whatsoever. This is a political pantomime. This is a political agenda going into our schools. So you wouldn't expect any political pushback then because they all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.I was shocked in Westminster whenever the case you mentioned, getting parents getting access to the educational materials, that then one of the MPs has asked the government, we need to have access and say, well, you're part of a conservative government for 13 years, this happened under your watch.How is that, that seems the most natural thing for parents to have engagement and understand what their children are teaching, and yet schools seem to have hidden it away, as if this is something wrong and therefore you can't see. It's literally, we are sexually engaging with your child and you don't have a right to know. It's a weird concept for us to understand as parents.So the government were going to launch a campaign as a matter of urgency against the misinformation that we were putting out there. Well, we were still waiting for this campaign because if this education is as good as they say it is, they should be shouting it from the rooftops, not hiding it from us. So as a parent or any concerned citizen, you know, the children are all of our responsibility. The children are the future. What happens to them shapes the world, you know. And this is what we're dealing with. If this was as good as they said it was, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. They would have me on a live debate there and then, I've offered all 60 ministers of the Senate, all 650 ministers of Parliament. So if this was as good as they said it was, they would have me on TV and they would absolutely destroy me there and then splash this all over the newspapers and say, this is moral panic, this is exactly what you're having, you can access it at any time, this is going to keep your children safe. But they cannot do that. They cannot do it and we all know why they cannot do it. Because it's too sinister.Tell us, coming near the end, tell us about people getting involved with you. How do people get involved? How do they make a difference? 
So they can subscribe to our website, publicchildprotectionwales.org or you can join different sex education groups on Facebook, Twitter, follow the people that you know, follow the people in your area.We are building a coalition, so a UK-wide coalition. We are no longer being trapped with these invisible borders. This is not a devolved matter, this is a global matter.We have to unite this kingdom.We are currently in the process of working with different groups like the School Gate Campaign, Rally for the Children Cornwall, there's lots of different groups. We are removing the logos from our flyers, we're putting our work together, we are compiling a four-page flyer which is going to address all the issues in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. It's a universal leaflet, we will be raising money for all the groups to get this out there. We are on a mission to inform and educate. We're not here to debate and waste time, we're out there to inform people, connect, get people understanding they are not on their own in this, this is a global thing.We're supporting each other, we're meeting, we're networking, this is our opportunity now guys.We can cover a lot of ground over the six weeks holidays and then we can all meet in Parliament Square on the 13th of September to remind Rishi Sunak that we are watching, we are waiting, we are going nowhere. Our children are too precious to wait to be saved. So we will be looking into a nationwide sit-out, you know, removing children from school because that was powerful in Canada.There was 90 children, 90,000 children in this district and I think 30,000 were removed on the first day of Pride Month. That had a massive impact. We can do this guys, but we just get together, get networking. First point of contact, subscribe to our website, we'll keep you informed.Join the coalition against indoctrination and sexualization of children in schools.That's on Facebook, get on there guys and all groups are now working in unison.We are building a UK-wide coalition. This is a movement, only a movement can stop this.It was a movement that brought it in, only a movement can get it out.It has to be people power, no other way around it.Yeah, we've had Susan Mason on before a number of times, School Gates campaign does a fantastic job.Going to Westminster, that means what you're doing is important, not just for Wales, but wider. What you've started is looking at what's in Wales, but going to Westminster, shows actually that this is something that affects every single part of the UK and wider.
Well, this is it. So we were saying we're going to start small and then take them all.We had to focus on the fight in Wales because it was a preventative campaign. You see, there was already less than content around the rest of the UK. So it was preventative campaign ours was, and we always knew what happened here in Wales would affect the whole of the UK. So we tried really hard, do you know what I mean, to destroy this legislation. But the judicial system is simply not on our side. We always said this was going to be a case of uniting the kingdom, but we did focus our fight in Wales only because we had that judicial review.Now it's a damage limitation campaign, we all need to be on the front line now and that's what we are doing in Public Child Protection Wales. We're ensuring each group has what they need, we're encouraging them to meet, we're going to be supplying leaflets all around the country, and like I said we're in the process of putting these together now. Factual information that covers all four countries, a universal leaflet, everybody has a right to know.And I guess also important for anyone watching who is a teacher or involved in the education process, we kind of sometimes think the education process has been captured by a Marxist ideology, and that is true. But there still will be many good people in the education sector.And I guess important for teachers, if they see something that they think is inappropriate, they can, I guess, whistle-blow, they can pass the information on and highlight it.
Absolutely, yes, they could. And we will do everything in our power to keep that, confidential. We would never rename that teacher or where this information has come from. But we do have to be working together now. I suspect a lot of training that's gone on in recent years is alienating parents from the training and we do feel like you know the whole profession has turned against us but you can't do your job without us. Things are going to happen in your work environment where our children are, and the only people that's going to be able to help you are the parents. Now you've got to work with the parents because you are the ones the government has put on the front line. With this case law we've got here in work now, you are the ones in the firing line, we will be coming after teachers because that's our only option now. They've put you in this position, help us get you out of it.Kim, I really appreciate you coming on, what you're doing is absolutely essential and I think it's one of the key battles to actually protect our children from this ideology that wants the whole gender reassignment stuff, all of that, it's a slope that children cannot recover from, it's irreversible, some of that, and what's been forced on them.So thank you so much for coming on and sharing what you're doing with Public Child Protection Wales.
Oh, thank you for having us. We appreciate this. You know, we appreciate all the support we can get.

Kingsley Cortes - MAGA 2024: The Supreme Court Swallows the Red Pill and Lessons Learned from Trump 2020

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Kingsley Cortes is someone with a deep understanding of the political and social  media world. At GETTR Social Media she was integral, along with Jason Miller, to their incredible rise and Kingsley also served on the Trump 2020 campaign. She joins Hearts of Oak to share her experiences from that campaign and what lessons were learned that will make the Trump 2024 campaign a completely different beast.  We discuss how 'The Don' has been able to mould the party in his image and make MAGA so much more than just a political slogan. Then there is the revelation of the Supreme Court. We are now a year after the overturning of Roe vs Wade, how has it suddenly been red pilled with 3 huge decisions in one day?  Then we end up discussing voter demographics looking ahead to 2024.
Kingsley Cortes is the Digital Media Manager for 'Center for Renewing America', she is a political communications and marketing professional with experience in journalism, presidential campaign strategy, and social media. Kingsley most recently worked as Director of Operations at GETTR Social Media.Prior to GETTR, she served on President Donald J. Trump’s 2020 Re-election Campaign as Executive Assistant to the Senior Advisor for Strategy. Kingsley graduated in 2021 from the University of California Los Angeles with degrees in Political Science and Classical Studies.A Chicago native, she now resides in Arlington, Virginia.
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Interview recorded 5.7.23
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(Hearts of Oak)Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Kingsley Cortes. I got to know Kingsley through my time at GETTR. She at the moment is working for the Centre for Renewing America and was on the 2020 Trump campaign, and that's where we start, asking her about her experiences, what that was like, then looking ahead to 2024, whether Republicans have actually learned the games the Democrats play and whether they've learned how to more effectively play the game. And then we go on to so many things. MAGA, how MAGA has become much more than a slogan, how it is literally a way of life. Putting America first. Game-changer. The Supreme Court, how they've been red-pilled in the last few weeks and back overturning Roe v. Wade decision a year ago. How that has happened, how their Court has become so conservative. Part of it, of course, we discuss is in Trump's three nominations to the Supreme Court, which is huge. And then we just end up talking about the demographics, voting demographics, looking at 2024, the youth vote, and how that will play into the elections. 
Kingsley Cortes, it's wonderful that you could join us today. Thanks for your time.(Kingsley Cortes)
Thanks so much for having me, Peter. 
Not at all, and obviously we, well I knew you from back in the GETTR days. We'll maybe touch on that, but people can find you @KingsleyCortes on GETTR, Twitter, or those are the two main places.
GETTR, Twitter and Truth Social as well. I've opened an account on there.So yeah, you can find me, same username on all of the platforms.Please give me a follow. I put out a lot of content that I think is engaging and fresh. So check it out.
Definitely. And obviously you're heading up to digital media at Center for Renewing America.We'll touch on that. You are part of the leadership team of Washington, D.C. Young Republicans, and you obviously were part of the Trump 2020 campaign, which we'll delve into as well.I mean, tell us about Centre for a New America, because I love watching Russ Vought on War Room.And I hadn't come across, being a Brit, I can always make excuses.So I've enjoyed watching him there.But tell us a little bit, you've only been with Centre for a New America for a short time.
That is correct, yes, and you'll see a lot of our fellows or our president, Russ Vought on War Room frequently.I think we have, you know, someone at least from our office on there almost every day, which is fantastic.But at the Center for Renewing America, we're basically a Washington, D.C.based think tank, but we are kind of different from the establishment think tanks that have existed for years in you see in that I think we really have our finger on the pulse.Of the issues that the base cares about, right? Gone is the GOP of endless foreign wars, tax cuts, and gay marriage. We are here to fight the culture war. We're here to fight for American communities across this country. We have a large grassroots operation. And we're just here to fight for America, right? I think becoming proud of America's founding has really kind of devolved into something that people see as evil or as something that one shouldn't strive for. We want to renew that pride and that patriotism. So that's really our mission as an organization.And I run their digital media operation. So I'm putting out a bunch of content every day.We have a lot of folks that are on TV every day. I'm putting out clips of those, and we're really just kind of trying to shift the narrative, right? Shift from this Old Testament GOP thinking to the new kind of America first Republican party that we're seeing emerging here.So I'm really excited about the work that we're doing at the center. I think it's incredibly important. We're small, but we punch above our weight class. So please check us out on all the platforms as well. We're @amrenewctr for Centre. And give us a follow. And you know, if you like what we're doing, feel free to sign up for all of our email lists and things of that nature. But we're really trying to push forward this America First agenda. I think that is the bottom line.That is the only way we are going to save this country from decline. 
100%. I know you've just celebrated. We didn't celebrate, obviously, Fourth of July. Maybe you need a Centre for Renewal in the UK. I think we need something like that to challenge the, I guess, so-called conservative groups and parties that have absolutely failed on any engagement in the culture wars. 
Right, yeah. I think your Tory party maybe makes our GOP, which I complain about, look, you know, radical. So you guys have a bit of the same problem we do, that's for sure.
We really do. So let's get... Trump. Obviously, we have a Trump 2016, Trump 2020, and Trump 2024 is just around the corner.You were very much part of that 2020 campaign. Let us know how that happened and how did you find it? Most people have no idea what it's like to be in a political campaign of that level, so give us some kind of insights on what that was like for you.
Yeah, absolutely. So I kind of started out my career in politics when I was in college.I wrote for the National Pulse, which is a publication of Raheem Kassam, who you know, and that's kind of how I got my feet wet in this movement. I just applied, you know, online to do a free writing fellowship, and I was able to kind of explore how to frame a narrative, how to research political issues, and all of those things. And a couple of my articles did very well and I got to do a couple of war room appearances here and there. So through that I met Jason Miller who founded War Room Impeachment with Bannon and with Raheem Kassam.So you know, great network there and he ultimately dragged me on to the 2020 race and I worked with him there kind of as his deputy and we did a lot of marketing and communication strategy.But no, a presidential campaign, I mean, is all hands on deck. It's exhausting, you know, long hours for sure. It's high stress, it's fast paced, but I really enjoyed it because I believed in what we were fighting for.I believed, you know, that Trump was ushering in incredible wins for the American economy, for the American people. We were respected abroad again, right? And unfortunately, the election didn't go, you know, as planned. It was stolen. And, you know, I think that in the aftermath of that, we quite didn't have the litigation or the lawyer kind of strength to fight it wholeheartedly. But I think, you know, that election in many ways was a wake-up call.Not just on the election integrity front, but also on the big tech front. They censored the president of the United States. This was a totally unprecedented move. And I for one never thought, you know, the Silicon Valley oligarchs would be so bold. It was shocking to me that, you know, they would totally de-platform a duly elected president of the United States.And if you remember as well, it wasn't just him. The New York Post was, they had their account locked for a number of days for posting a story about the Hunter Biden laptop. I mean, the way that the media in many ways stole the election with big tech, colluding with our government was just absurd. It was unlike anything we had ever seen before. So I think for me, you know, being on that race at a high level, I realized exactly what we're up against, because I think for a long time, conservatives have kind of felt that we can work with the Democrats, right? We can reach bipartisan conclusions and bills. But I think this Democrat Party that we're dealing with in the modern age is totally unrecognizable to a Democrat, you know, of my grandpa's generation. These are radical neo-Marxist ideologues that are hell-bent on destroying the fabric of American society.So ultimately, you know that big tech kind of brazenness in censoring the president led me to really take an interest in pursuing big tech and free speech issues and that's why I wound up with Jason Miller at GETTR and we really tried to create a platform where all speech was allowed. You could engage in the exchange of ideas. You could have debates. So that was something that I think is really important to strive for as we continue. Whatever we do, whether that's working in politics or whether that's working, you know, in business, what have you, we all need to be embracing of ideas, right? We can't be afraid or be shut down by the leftist kind of mainstream thinking. We need to stand up for what we believe in and know that what we believe in is something that is foundational to America, right? It's embedded in our history and our heritage. So kind of a long answer for you there, but I just think, you know, the campaign in 2020 is a lesson and looking forward to 24.I think that there are a lot of things that we can take from 2020 that maybe we didn't do so well, or maybe that we did great.And I think we're going to really see in 2024 a clean, well-oiled machine.I think, you know, this Trump group, they know exactly what to do.Trump knows exactly what to do. He has his kind of marching orders.He has his mission. He knows how to take down the deep state that is aimed squarely at him and aimed squarely at the American people.Oh, 2024 is going to be so different. But about 2020, because looking at it as a Brit where our issue is tribal voting and people saying, I don't agree with that, but I'm going to vote for them anyway, because I've always, that's our kind of stuck in the rust. We don't have the mess, I guess, which you have. I've watched the voting regularly at many elections and the rush to get the paper ballots, you physically watch them, you can check everything, there are piles of them, everything is there. I'm wondering how it took until 2020 for Republicans to, wake up and think something's not right, because this obviously had been building up to then.Yeah, no, I mean, it's a fantastic question. As a Republican Party member, it's one that frustrates me greatly, right?How underprepared we have been for a lot of the tactics that the leftists have pulled, you know, just in the past 10, 20 years.I think that the Democrat Party kind of had a leg up because they've owned a lot of these kind of city operations and controls, right? They have a lot of institutional power when it comes to blue cities.So I think those kinds of environments gave them time to perfect their craft in a way.And I think a lot of Republicans, sadly, were just asleep at the wheel.I think Republicans, because we are good natured, because we are honest and we truly want the best for this country, we don't think like our enemy, right? We're not devious.We're not trying to cheat, of course, but what we've come to realize, I think, with Trump is that he's really pulled back the curtain, right, and shown us who these people are.He's shown us the Swamp's true colours. I mean, for so long, you know, we didn't know just how much the people in, you know, the D.C. Beltway despised those of us outside the Beltway, those of us who have traditional American values, but Trump kind of showed us who they are.And I think that's a wake-up call, right? we realize now that we're sort of playing a game of poker, one side's cheating, and we haven't been cheating this whole time, so we're wondering why we're losing, right?We need to get off the deck, right? Play a totally different game.We have always kind of tried to beat the Democrats at their own game, at their own kind of methods and ways of doing things, and we need to break out of that kind of mental matrix, I think, and I think Trump, because he was such an outsider, was able to do that.He was not in this typical, you know, DC pipeline where you go from the RNC to a different think tank.And then, you know, you become a lobbyist and you cash in and you don't really care about what Americans are thinking and you're not in touch with the issues that matter to them.And I think because Trump was totally outside that world, it allowed him to bring that different perspective.And of course there was backlash, right? The traditional kind of Republicans, what I like to call the establishment Republicans were fearful of that.They don't want someone to come in and kind of shake things up.So I think you're always gonna see those elements with Trump even in the 2024 campaign.You're gonna see folks at the RNC that aren't totally on his side that are maybe even kind of trying to hurt him in ways that are underhanded and things of that nature. But I think that what we need is someone who is an outsider. We can't have someone fix it from the inside, right? The system has become so entrenched, so corrupt, we need kind of a bulldozer to go through it and to just blow it all up and rebuild it as something that is really for the American people. And I think that person is Donald Trump in 2024. I think, you know, it's always been Trump. He has started something that cannot be put back in the bottle. You know, the genie can't be put back in the bottle. The America First movement isn't going anywhere, even after Trump. I think a lot of people in the UK as well with Brexit, I think you saw a lot of people wake up to just the way things had been done.It wasn't working for them. It didn't represent them. There was this cabal of global elite that that didn't have their national interests at heart. And I think the American people and perhaps the British people know that and they're ready to fight.They're not gonna forget.I remember at CPAC, listened to one and a half hours of Trump and it was pure theatre, loved it.We'll get into that and I won't talk about clashing the Republican establishment and what Trump brings in, but you mentioned about playing the game.And one of the things that Republicans are playing catch up is how you vote, getting people to vote.And again, in the UK, so different. We have, well, probably well over 90% is voting on the day.We don't have your drop boxes, your collect as many bits of paper and fill them in.We don't have that. We don't have weeks and weeks of voting.We have one day from seven in the morning till nine at night.Playing the game means understanding how the other half are doing it and coming up with a better attack. And on the voting, on the getting out early, I've heard a lot of conversation about that, certainly in the War Room, Bannon talking a lot about Republicans having to wake up. Does that mean the ground game is better on using the system and getting those votes out early?Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you talk about War Room, they mention this all the time, we need to be ballot harvesting, right? We need to be going up to individuals' doors, asking them to vote just as the Democrats have done. Republicans, again, because I think they're good-natured and honest, they want to vote typically in person on election day. They want to see their vote, you know, go in the machine. They want to present their ID. And there's no problem with that, right? Of course, that's a fantastic way to vote. But unfortunately a lot of the rigging that's happening is through the mail-in. So we can't shy away from the mail-in.And I think this is a mistake that we made on the 2020 campaign.We really went back and forth on the messaging, right? We said, oh, mail-ins are unconstitutional.We can't push for this, even with COVID. And then we also said, oh, wait, but if you do want to vote, you know, mail-in.If you do feel kind of, you know, it's a danger to your health going to your precinct, then please mail-in.So there was kind of a lot of back and forth.I think going along with our campaign messaging, I think we should have been much clearer on that.And I think you see President Trump being much clearer on that in his 24 race.But yeah, we can't shy away from mail-in voting.We have to have grassroots activists engaged as well. I think, you know, a lot of Republicans, they go to their day job and, you know, they follow politics as a hobby, but they're not really actively engaged in it.I think, you know, Democrats, all of them, it's basically their hobby, right, is politics.They're knocking on doors, they're protesting.They really have kind of cornered that activist market, especially for young people.So I tell people, you know, in DC all the time or outside of DC, just get off the side-lines, right?Run for your school board, become an election poll watcher. There are so many different things that you can do, even at small local levels that will make a change in your county, in your state, and ultimately in your country.We can't afford for anyone to be sitting this one out. I think this is truly the most pivotal election that we are going to have in American history. We are truly fighting for the future of our country.So we all have to be a part of it.We can't have any single person, you know.Just checked out or leaving it up to the professionals everyone has a role to play everyone has a vested interest in this country, too right, if you have kids if you have grandkids you want them to grow up in a nation as great as the one you remember. I talked to so many older folks or the boomer kind of generation. They have such fond memories of Reagan's America, right? It was such a wonderful place to live. It was safe. The economy was booming. We were kicking the Soviets butts. It was just a wonderful time and I think, you know, they see what our country has devolved into so quickly and they're disheartened but it really needs to kind of be a kick in the butt in many ways. They need to realize I need to fight for my children's future because I want them to have all of the freedoms and opportunities that I had as a kid and I think sadly those are slipping away. We are truly devolving into a radical Neo-Marxist kind of country with an ideology that is just pure evil. So we need to all be standing up and fighting against this and that starts at the ballot box, absolutely.Yeah. You talk about the establishment side and Trump, probably like no other, has shaped the party in his image to an extent, and probably even further shaped the Republican voter base in his image. I think that's probably more. And you mentioned Reagan. I don't know whether it's just people looking back and thinking it wasn't a great under Reagan. I don't know actually if at the time that it was seen as his party. So I think Trump's done it in a way that's never been seen before. Is that a fair enough comment?
Yes, absolutely. And again, I think it's just because he is that brash outsider, right?You can't fit him into any box.He doesn't fit a mould. And I think traditionally, republicanism has really represented states' rights, small government, few taxes. That's always what we've thought of as right wing in this country for decades.And I think Trump came in and he said, no, we have big government.It's not going away. I'm going to use it.I'm going to weaponize the government powers that I have to protect the American citizens and to go after this woke bureaucracy that we're seeing entrenched in DC.He's also pretty populist, right? We've seen a lot of economic policy advancements from him, that aren't, you know, your traditional, we just want tax cuts and that's it.He wants to give people a chance, particularly young people.He's talked about it on the campaign trail with his, you know, freedom cities idea, building different freedom cities across national parks in the country to give young people the opportunity to realize their American dream, right?Because I think so many young people in this economy today, they're crippled with student debt.Inflation is just hitting them really hard.The idea of someday owning a home, owning a car even, raising a family, paying for college, it all feels so out of reach.Young people have been really, really tarnished by the economy that Biden has largely created.But even just the Democrats have largely created for years, right?They've shipped all of our manufacturing jobs overseas to China since basically the 90s, And they've essentially ripped off the American worker so much that, you know, the notion of having wealth or being able to accrue wealth just totally feels, you know, like a fantasy. It doesn't feel like something worth doing anymore.I even think to, you know, my parents' generation, my dad was able to have a home, purchase a home, own a home.On one salary, right. Now, that's almost, you know, unheard of. Two parents have to be working to be able to to be able to purchase a house.So I think that the kind of populist bent that Trump gives the Republican party is definitely why it is kind of in his image now.It's something totally different than Republicanism we've seen before.It is something that is new.It is something that's for the people. It's engaged with the base.I think too, a lot of Republicans for years haven't been engaged with their voters.They've been listening to, you know, pollsters in Washington, D.C.Talking to New York stockbrokers about what they should do. They've never quite been as in touch with the average American as Donald Trump is. So I think that's the difference. I think that's why this is truly his party. But like I said before, once you know this Trump saga is over, after his 24 presidency, once we're done with Donald Trump, I think this America First movement is here to stay. I don't think it's going anywhere. 
Well, I remember in 2016, I remember looking at Ben Carson. I thought Ben Carson was the best choice and then looking at Ted Cruz. And then when Trump got the nomination and then had a MAGA slogan, which wasn't a slogan, it went far, usually elections have slogans, but I think it went far beyond a slogan to actually a way of life, is, are we going to put America first or not? And that really struck me because now politicians aren't supposed to say they'll put their country first.That's bad in a global system, but Trump said, like, screw you.I'm going to put America first. That's the priority.And how, I guess, has it taken that long? Because there hasn't been a priority and the slipping away of US influence, US manufacturing, jobs on US oil has been slipping away, not just under Democrat, but under Republican. So, I mean, tell us about that and how that's changed things.Yeah, so a lot of people don't know this. This actually really largely started with Joe Biden.In 2001, Joe Biden advocated for China's inclusion into the WTO.And after that, in the next decade, from 2001 to 2011, the Chinese took 2.7 million jobs from Americans.So I think in many ways, Biden has actually kind of been the chief architect of this offshoring to China and elsewhere, to India and various places.And I think that because Republicans started to put GDP kind of above the interests of their countrymen.All they cared about was GDP. All they cared about was trade deals, right?And Wall Street numbers and things of that nature. They kind of just went along with it.They said, oh yeah, a global system, you know, it's great for our stocks.It's great for the millionaires on Wall Street, on K Street, they're all making bajillions.They have no kind of reason to stop this globalization because it's serving them.So I think Republicans and Democrats together really kind of created this crisis.And it has accelerated like crazy. I mean, I certainly didn't think America's decline would be so swift, but in the past, I mean, 20 years, you have just seen our economy totally tank.You have seen communities across this country be ravaged by economic crises.They are no longer able to enjoy the things of life that their grandparents did.They are leasing cars, they're leasing apartments. I even saw the other day Apple was offering some sort of lease an iPhone deal.It's kind of the WEF model of, you know, you will own nothing and you will be happy.We've been sold this totally false bag of goods.And it's totally contradictory to our identity as Americans, right?Americans care about ownership.We're very individualistic. You know, we're rough and we'll fight for what we want.And that's always been our identity. And unfortunately, this kind of global identity that has superseded America's identity in the eyes of our beltway and coastal elite has really been one that doesn't align with our founding.And I think it's really just been a disservice to the American people as well.I mean, over 50% of Americans today say they are living pay check to pay check.I mean, that is just something that would be unheard of in the Reagan years or even earlier than that. So I think that we're seeinga truly economic crisis. And for young people especially, I think it's just going to be immensely difficult, right? It's just such a barrier to entry now that you can't even, you know, get rid of student loan debt, that your salary can't even pay for somewhere nice for you to live. It's just what they have totally done to young people and to just people in general across this country, I think is really sick. And Trump is the only one who really kind of brought it to the light. He was the only Republican who said, Hey, these trade deals, they're not working for you. They're not in our interest. Why are we pursuing them? Why are we kind of just for, you know, Oh, this is the way we've done it. Why is that our approach? We need a totally different mindset. We need to completely decouple from China, bring all of our manufacturing and jobs here. You even look at the situation in Taiwan, right? The reason that we're kind of so hesitant to get involved in Taiwan or wondering if we should get involved is because our semiconductors are there, right? Of course we want freedom for the Taiwanese, but that's a big part of it, right? And we're in this situation where all of our semiconductor manufacturing is over there and we're in kind of a pickle because of the establishment Republicans and Democrats, because they've shipped all of our jobs overseas, all over the world. And they've just, they've really kind of tarnished the American working class in doing so. So I think, you know, Trump is really at the forefront of bringing those jobs home. I think that is one of the only things that can revitalise this economy because unfortunately, it has been on a downward trajectory for far too long.
Supreme Court. They seem to be red pilled recently, like very recently. But stepping back, I mean Trump had nominated, was it, three Supreme Court judges and I was looking back andI mean, you look at Obama and Bush and Clinton, they did two in two terms.And I don't think, I mean...Two-thirds of our viewers are UK, about 20% are US, so most of our viewers won't realise the, I guess, importance and power that the Supreme Court has in US society in the law-making process.So tell us about it, because three Supreme Court judges is huge, that is a massive legacy, and who knows what will happen 24 to 2028?Yes. Right. No, absolutely. It is a massive accomplishment of the Trump administration.There is no question.And I think these three opinions that we've seen have been really encouraging for conservatives across the country. And of course, you know, we already see leftists now pushing ideas like packing the court.They're kind of flailing. I think they didn't think that, you know, conservatives would be able to fight back in this way using the court.And I think part of that is really an accomplishment of Trump.And I think it's a wonderful one.The affirmative action case in particular, I think is incredibly important. I mean, selecting individuals based on their race, not based on their merit or their skill set, is just totally backwards. And it's antithetical to every Western value that we've ever held, right? If you are able to do the work, if you are the most qualified candidate, then you should be selected, whether that is for a job promotion, for entry into a university, whatever it is. But unfortunately the left has totally turned that on its head and it's twisted it into this idea that race is all that matters and that we should judge people on the colour of their skin. And I just think as Americans, we have to stand up against that. I'm so encouraged to see the courts stand up against that. The other case, this student loan issue in particular, Biden's order using the COVID policies as leftover policies to justify his student loan cancellation of debt was completely against our American Constitution. There is no doubt about it. I will say, you know, I think conservatives need to come up with a creative approach to handle the student loan issue.So many of our young people, as I mentioned earlier, are saddled with debt. They've been kind of sold a false bill of goods. These universities have, you know, told them they need to attend in order to get a job and that they should major in something like gender studies, or even if they did major in something useful like engineering, the school has only taught them leftist indoctrination, right?That was something I experienced at my American university. I went to the University of California at Los Angeles.So, you know, it was totally in the lion's den there. And I was taking political science, which I wanted to be in politics. It was something that I thought would really prepare me and equip me, and boy, it did not.All I was told is that America's founding was evil, is that what it meant to be an American is to kill Native Americans. I mean, I was just totally, just faced with this radical leftism. I had professors who were openly Marxist. So I think, you know, in some capacity, we need to hold these universities accountable, right? They have large endowments.They should be paying at least a portion of the student loan debts that are just saddling and crippling our young people across this country, because what these institutions are doing is truly evil. They're jacking up the prices of college. I mean, I think when I paid my tuition, I was paying for green initiatives on campus.You can't say no to that kind of stuff. It's all wrapped in.I think these universities are really up to no good and we have to hold them accountable.And then the other case with the individual, the woman who didn't want to be conscripted to make the LGBTQ website, I think that's a massive win for social conservatism as well.I think that we've seen this kind of LGBTQ cult of indoctrination really forcing their hand on a lot of American institutions.You almost can't go anywhere in America in the month of June without seeing a rainbow flag or without being told you need to post that you stand in support with LGBTQ Americans.I mean, it's totally become in many ways a religion, right? We've always said in America, we have this separation of church and state.We don't anymore because our new state religion is this gender confusion.And we are exporting it across the world as well. We're sending money all over the world.We're funding pride parades in Prague, LGBTQ movie nights in Australia.I mean, the way that this group has been able to kind of co-opt the American government and American institutions is totally ludicrous.And what they are doing is really engaging in grooming, especially of young people, right?One in five Gen Z Americans now identifies as LGBTQ. It used to be, you know, they just kind of pushed forward this born this way narrative.And it was a very small subset of the population that kind of stuck to themselves.And, you know, no one really cared what they did in the privacy of their own bedroom, but it's not in your own bedroom anymore. We're seeing this out on the streets.We are seeing these marchers parading in front of kids, largely naked.It is just devolved into total degeneracy. So I think pushing back against that as well with that decision is a massive win for Christian or socially conservative individuals.And I'm really encouraged to see these wins from the court.I will say the Democrats are of course going to try to fight back, right?We already saw these universities with the affirmative action case say that they're going to consider race in things like the essay.So we have to be sure that we're enforcing these rulings, right?I think the Supreme Court makes the ruling and then it's up to congressional leadership to, in many ways, pass legislation that will enforce and strengthen that ruling.So I think that's something to watch for in the coming months here.
Yeah, all three surprised me. The LGBT one is probably the one that surprised me most and we've just struggled through Pride as well. And it's interesting because the church has not, really, really have collapsed in actually speaking truth and opposing that taking the rainbow and completely changing its meaning. But what is that, because here a lot of conservatives are so scared to even go against, because I think the aggression from, especially from the trans movement. What is it like, because MAGA seemed to be fully hardcore on these, in a way the Republican Party as a whole should be. And how is it that you've got a subsection, MAGA, actually willing to stand against the nonsense of Pride and everything it brings, but yet, if you look at the more established Republican who you'd think, I mean, you look at Fox News and they were promoting LGBT Pride Month. How has that happened?Right. I think that, you know, the kind of new right, this America First movement that Trump started, has really realized that the Christian conservatives we kind of mocked during the Obergefell decision that said, oh, you know, gay marriage is legal now. This will be a slippery slope. We mocked a lot of those people back in the day. And I was one of those, you know, I was a little bit more libertarian in my youth. I thought, you know, what you want to do is your business so long as it doesn't affect me. But I think those Christian conservatives who sounded the alarm were really right. Once, you kind of open the floodgates to a lot of this perversion, to a lot of this degeneracy.It sinks its teeth into almost every aspect of American life.You can't watch a children's show today that doesn't have a gay character.You can't, you know, walk into any university without being, you know, shown an LGBTQ flag or centre or things like that, right? It's absolutely ridiculous. So I think people have become so frustrated with how it's been shoved in their face because we were told, you know, oh, just be tolerant. They won't bother you. It won't affect your life. It affects everyone's day, every single moment now. So I think that realization that you can't just live and let live, right? There is always going to be some orthodoxy that is enshrined in the public square, and it needs to be an orthodoxy that is one of tradition, right? That is one of Western ideals of man and woman and marriage and things of that nature that are important and have stood the test of time. I think if our founders woke up today and they saw all of this craziness around us, they would be just shocked to the core. I mean, the way that the social decay has accelerated is absolutely nuts. So I think the new right and conservatives are kind of against the old Republican guard that think, oh, if you want to do that, that's fine. It doesn't affect me.Now it's in your kid's school, right? You're seeing teachers across the country that have gay books in their libraries or they're switching their child's pronouns without the knowledge of the parents.It's absolutely insane. And what they're doing is they're preying on children because those who cannot reproduce, they recruit, they groom.So what they're doing is they're targeting different opportunity demographics and that's largely children. And they're preying on a child's imaginative kind of creative point in their life, right? Because when you're a kid, you obviously you have no concept of your sexual self and you shouldn't until you reach puberty. That's very normal. That's how biology works.But unfortunately, the left has kind of gone after that period of maybe, you know, awkwardness. You had a growth spurt.You don't feel totally at home in your body.They're using that kind of growth and that period in a child's life and they're they're targeting it.They're twisting it and they're morphing it into something that is wholly evil.I mean, how awful is it to see trans violence across this country, too?I think we have truly sick, mentally ill people walking around.You have the Nashville shooter, for instance. There was a shooter just last night who police are saying was a cross-dresser.I think we have individuals who are really hurting, whether they have a mental illness.If that's body dysmorphia or something else.And what we're doing instead of giving them adequate care is we're just chopping off their fully functioning organs and injecting them with a bunch of foreign hormones. It is totally a recipe for disaster. And if we keep going down this road, we're going to have a population that is largely unstable and that's not conducive to societal success. That's not something we want to strive for. So we need to go after also a lot of these institutions that are pushing this stuff. I mentioned the universities earlier. They're a big portion of it. I think, big pharma is a big portion of it. They see these people as lifelong patients. They want to get them hooked on, you know, certain chemically castrating drugs, things like that. So we need to be really fighting against this stuff. And I think the new right, the America First Trump movement understands that, they know that this has gone too far, it's gone over the line. And we need to get back to our roots to our traditional concepts of gender, man and woman. 
Couldn't agree more. Keep it simple. There's only two. You're looking ahead to 2024. How does the, voting demographics break down? When you look at the youth vote, there are so many ones, but specifically looking at the youth vote. How do you see that working out? What are your thoughts on that?Yeah, so I think, you know, you'll hear a lot of Republicans say that Gen Z is a persuadable demographic. I'm not so sold being a member of that generation myself. As I mentioned, one in five Gen Z Americans identify as LGBTQ. I think this is truly the most radical generation that this country has ever seen. I think that these kids are Marxists. They've totally drunk the Kool-Aid and a lot of it too is largely not their fault, right? If you go to college apolitical in the United States, you are going to be a radical leftist by the time you get out. You have to go in with strong conservative values or you're just going to be indoctrinated, unfortunately, because your teachers, using their position of power, will espouse this radical left ideology that is just totally anti-American. It's not embracing of any other ideas or contrary views. So I think, you know, Gen Z is really going to be a problem for the Republican Party unless we start to shift narratives, right? Unless we start to really get ahead of issues that matter to young people. As I've been hitting home, you know, the economy is a major one. I talk to so many young people who just feel totally disenfranchised. They feel like their birth right has been stolen from them because they can't accumulate wealth. I'll give you an example. In 1998, which is the year I was born, millennials, Americans under 40, they held 13% of all national wealth.Today, that same age group, they hold just 5% of national wealth.So in almost 25 years, that's been cut in half.Young people are being totally wrecked by this economy. So I think starting to put issues at the forefront, like the ability to have a family on one income, you see Blake Masters talk about that a lot.JD Vance talk about that a lot.I think that's something that's huge and going to attract a lot of young people, a creative student loan approach as well. I mentioned, you know, thatI think colleges should be partially held accountable for it.I don't think it should just be up to the student to pay those off.A lot of times, traditional Republicans, they say, oh, you know, you took out the debt. It's your responsibility to pay.Absolutely. I think we should, you know, hold them accountable for at least some of it.But I also think these universities need to be punished.And then I think, you know, we need kind of a dual-pronged approach to that issue.I also think the social issues matter a lot to young people.I think the loudest voices in the conservative youth movement, sadly, are kind of the radical kids, you know, the pro-choice or the LGBTQ mafia. But I tell young people all the time, remember, there are so many young Americans across this country, in middle America, in the quote-unquote flyover states, that believe your values, right? They go to church, they prescribe to a two-gender viewpoint of life, they want to start a family someday. So I think just being loud and voicing your opinions if you are a traditional kind of conservative-minded American is so important because the left wins when we feel alone, when we feel like I'm shouting into the void, no one shares my opinions, I'm totally on an island here, I'm all alone. And I think that when we realize that there are so many voters out there that agree with us, I try to remind myself just every day, you know, how many people support Donald Trump. When I look at pictures of his rally in South Carolina, I think, oh, wow, I live in D.C. where I'm behind enemy lines and I'm surrounded by swamp monsters, but there are people in South Carolina that believe in this message and that believe in this president.So I think, you know, young people, they're out there.They're kind of a silent majority. They just feel like they've been silenced and they can't voice their opinion.They need to get loud.We need those people to come off the side-lines.With a campaign, obviously, I've heard DeSantis speak when I was over in Florida in February.Then heard Trump speak at CPAC, and I know I've talked to so many people, I know you've experienced different viewpoints in family, I'm sure it'll be across the country, and as much as I think DeSantis is brilliant for what he's done in Florida, if Trump's in the ring, you don't even get in it. I mean, Trump is Trump. You don't, you just cheer him on. And I'm perplexed why anyone thinks they should go up against Trump. 
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I agree with you, you know, I am not a DeSantis hater by any means I think what he's done for Florida is absolutely incredible particularly, you know during the COVID pandemic his leadership. He really was at the forefront of a lot of stuff pushing back against, you know Fauci and all the lunacy we saw coming from the CDC and HHS. So he has been really a fantastic governor for the state of Florida, but he's young, right?I think that you know, he certainly has a bright future maybe as our president someday. But I just don't think that time is yet. I don't think the Trump saga is over. You watch Trump on the campaign trail now. He is not missing a beat. He's totally 2016 Trump he looks as if he hasn't aged, that Florida Sun has been rather kind to him. His golf swing still just as strong as ever. So I think you know, we can't count him out he needs to finish what he started. I think too, there's always a learning curve with presidents, right? You get into the White House, you kind of have to get your bearings and assess the administrative state that's around you. That's what so many people don't realize is when you become president, you're kind of in charge of a lot of different agencies that are filled with individuals who aren't on your side. They didn't support your presidency. They've been working at, you know, the Department of Justice for the past 20 years. And they're totally, you know, a swamp creature that's radical and hates you and your platform and everything you ran for. So I think that can kind of be a difficult issue for a lot of presidents when they try to get things done.And I think Trump, he's used to that. He knows exactly who to fire. He knows where the bodies are buried. He kind of had that first term as a way to assessthe deep state, just how entrenched it is, where we need to go after it. I think he knows better than anybody how to totally disrupt this woke and weaponized bureaucracy, and that's why I'm behind him 100%. I think you also see the media freaking out about him. He is absolutely the most hated individual by the DC establishment, by the mainstream media, by the global elite, and that's why I love him because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Completely. Kingsley, thanks for coming on. Actually, I was wondering how you survived university and how you survived California. I think someone sent me a meme, stop complaining about your life. There are people literally living in California. How did you survive, it?
Oh, it was very difficult. It was tough. Luckily, I had Raheem Kassam's National Pulse as a way to creatively have an outlet, but it is, those kids are wacky over there on the West Coast.Well, thanks for joining us. I'm looking forward to, obviously the viewers and listeners can watch your content throughout the campaign and of course follow Centre for Renewing America.So thanks for joining us today Kingsley.
Thanks so much for having me, Peter.