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Frank Gaffney - The Indictment: Prosecuting the CCP for Crimes Against America and the World

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'The CCP is the mortal enemy of the US!' This is one of the opening lines in Frank Gaffney's latest bestseller "The Indictment" and we are delighted to welcome him to Hearts of Oak today. Frank has been a towering figure in the conservative movement for many decades from his time serving in the Reagan administration through to all the work done with Centre for Security Policy. He is the go to person on any issue relating to national security of the US and in his new book Frank sets out eight charges against The Chinese Communist Party that lay out the reason and basis for a prosecution against them. From their crimes against their own people to crimes against the whole world using biological warfare, espionage and infiltration while showing how the CCP are ravaging America's energy security and taking down the military. This book gives a roadmap for any Republican legislator and official to use before its too late.
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. serves as Vice Chair for the Committee on the Present Danger: China. The Committee on the Present Danger: China defends America through public education and advocacy against the full array of conventional and non-conventional dangers posed by the People’s Republic of China. As with the Soviet Union in the past, Communist China represents an existential and ideological threat to the United States and to the idea of freedom—one that requires a new American consensus regarding the policies and priorities required to defeat this threat. And for this purpose, it is necessary to bring to bear the collective skills, expertise and energies of a diverse group of experts on China, national security practitioners, human rights and religious freedom activists and others who have joined forces under the umbrella of the Committee on Present Danger: China.In 1988, he founded the Center for Security Policy. Mr. Gaffney serves at the Executive Vice Chairman for the Center. The Center has been nationally and internationally recognized as a resource for timely, informed and penetrating analyses of foreign and defense policy matters.Under President Ronald Reagan, he acted as the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy. He served as chairman of the High Level Group (NATO’s senior politico-military committee) and as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control.Policy under Assistant Secretary Richard Perle. He was also a Professional Staff Member on the Senate Armed Services Committee.Frank hosts Secure Freedom Radio, an hour-long, nationally syndicated program that airs every weeknight. His daily Secure Freedom Minute commentaries are heard on 200 stations coast-to-coast. He is a featured contributor to Breitbart Radio and a columnist for Breitbart.com. He appears often on national and international television networks such as Fox News, CNN and BBC. Over the years, his op.ed. articles have appeared in such publications as: The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The New Republic, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Washington Times, The Christian Science Monitor, The Los Angeles Times, National Review, Newsday, American Legion Magazine, and Commentary.Mr. Gaffney is Founder, President, and CEO of Save the Persecuted Christians (STPC), a not-for-profit, non-partisan educational corporation established in 2018 to inform Americans of the global crisis of rising anti- Christian violence and to hold state and non-state persecutors accountable for their crimes against humanity.Frank’s leadership has been recognized by numerous organizations including: the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Award (1987), the U.S. Business and Industry Council’s Defender of the National Interest Award (1994), the Navy League of the United States’ “Alfred Thayer Mahan Literary Achievement Award” (1999), and the Zionist Organization of America’s “Louis Brandeis Award” (2003).Mr. Gaffney received a B.S. in Foreign Service from Georgetown University and an M.A. from Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. 
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Frank Gaffney. And I was delighted that Frank had the time to join us. I've had the pleasure of being on his show numerous times. And he is one of the towering figures of the conservative movement across the world with a specific focus on security. But today he joins us to talk about his book, The Indictment, Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party for What It Has Done Against the West and it lays out nine charges against the CCP. So we we touch on most of them, on energy security, on the US military and how it's been attacked, on the economic battle that China has waged against the West, on the biological attack that we've seen over the last three years, and of course how China has captured a lot of the elites in America and the West, and not only the elites individuals but the institutions as well. So much to cover and he ends up with actually 20 action items and how we can respond to this. I know after listening to Frank you will want to get the book.It is a fantastic overview of the threat that we face from China. 
Frank Gaffney, it's wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you for your time. 
(Frank Gaffney)
The pleasure is really mine. Thank you for yours.Not at all. I think I first heard your name from Lord Pearson, who I've had the pleasure of working with for 10 years and when I first heard your name you sounded like a legendary figure who had their finger on the pulse policy-wise. You'd served in the Reagan administration so politically and you were doing public engagement and helping the public understand. So it is a delight to have you on with us. Thank you, I'm really appreciative of your time. 
Well I'm a huge fan of Malcolm Pearson's. We've had a mutual admiration society I think for a long time and I appreciate so much of the work that he's been doing as have you, Peter, at Hearts of Oak.And I'm always delighted to have a chance to have you on our program and look forward to the visit with you here on yours.
Not at all, it's great to have you. And the viewers obviously @FrankGaffney on all the social media platforms, at Twitter and everything else, and @SecureFreedom.And of course they can watch that.And Center for Security Policy is the organization which you're the founder of.Maybe we could start on that and let us know what led you to start the organization itself and why was it needed?I left the Reagan administration in the beginning of 1988 and looked about for an organization that did what I thought needed to be done to help people like me during my time in the Reagan Pentagon contend with the various challenges that policy makers have.Trying to stay not only engaged properly in various fights, both internal to the administration, as was true in that case, as well as externally, by enlisting the help of people on the outside.There didn't seem to be any efficient way of doing that, other than retail, which is, a very challenging thing when you've got a very busy program. I was able to establish that others felt as I did, that it would be useful to have an organization that could help senior policy makers inside the government, with a single phone call to bring in experts and others that they wanted to have engaged in those fights, if you will, from the outside with efficient connectivity, as they say.So we started the organization, the Center for Security Policy.Over the 35 years it's been in business, spawned a great many tiger teams and team Bs and working groups and coalitions and the like to try to basically advance what my old boss, Ronald Reagan, described as the practice of peace through strength and to help those in government in the executive branch on Capitol Hill, as well as the media and the public at large, understand the challenges we face and what needed to be done about them.And I'm very proud of the work that the center has been doing and happy to continue to be a part of it as its executive chairman.I think when I first came across you, your focus had been on Islam and that certainly had been what I have learned over the last 15 years.And this is a change to looking at a different threat, China.And that's what we're going to bring up the book. Let me bring up the screen itself.And this is the publication itself, the indictment, and it is available everywhere, Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World.And we're going to go into this chapter by chapter, looking at the charges you have.But yeah, that change, that focus from looking at Islam and the threat on to China. Tell us about that.
Well, I guess I would say the sort of arc of my career, such as it has been mostly downhill from my time with President Reagan, I have to say, but it's been fighting totalitarians of one stripe or another, first the Soviets, of course, during my time prior to the Reagan administration in the United States Senate with two terrific members of that body, Senator Scoop Jackson, a Democrat, and Senator John Tower, a Republican.Then, of course, during the Reagan administration, when we were really in the clinches, bringing down the Soviet Union, as Reagan promised he would do.And then, as you say, during the sort of interlude after the fall of the Soviet Union, the people who emerged to kind of fill the totalitarian vacuum, if you will, were what I think of as Sharia supremacists. It's not all Muslims. Of course, it's those who seek to impose this Islamic code of Sharia on the rest of us and use jihad to accomplish that. And that was a very serious threat at the time, but it has certainly been overshadowed and far surpassed in recent years by the emergence of yet another totalitarian, another communist one, that is to say the Chinese Communist Party. And what we've been doing in the past four years, Peter, is trying to essentially replicate some very important capabilities that I think helped Ronald Reagan define and then ultimately defeat his times, as he put it, existential threat to freedom, namely the Soviet Communist Party, one of which was something called the Committee on the Present Danger, which was this kind of pickup team of national security practitioners, subject matter experts, business leaders, and others who came together to really try to help Ronald Reagan, one of its members as a matter of fact, devise a strategy for taking down the evil empire. And he brought 30 or so members of that committee into his administration. Once, he had run on a platform of changing the trajectory from détente or appeasement, if you will, and maybe containment at best of the Soviets, to one of rolling back that evil empire and, freeing its enslaved peoples. Those members of the Committee on the Present Danger helped him do that, and the rest, as they say, is history. We've created, about four years ago, what we call the Committee on the Present Danger in China, to hopefully help elective officials accomplish a similar kind of course correction with what is, in fact, not only our time's existential threat to freedom, but I believe far and away the most serious we in the free world have ever faced, and that would be, again, the Chinese Communist Party or CCP.And one of the things that we've been doing over these past 9, 10, 11 months or so has been a series of webinars, some 70 of them, designed to do two things. One, to examine what the Chinese mean when they describe the practice of unrestricted warfare against America. And secondly, who has been helping them wage that kind of warfare against us in the United States and really the free world more generally. It's been a fascinating experience. I've had the privilege of moderating these programs.And what we came up with were well over 100 hours of very, very high-quality analysis, insights, policy recommendations, and the like. And what we wanted to do, basically, was to, distil the most important of those points, make them accessible to the audience and the public more generally. And that's where this book, The Indictment, came from, was that distilled essence and I've been very pleased to see that it's been selling well, I think because people know there's a problem with China, they don't just fully understand what it is and we're hoping to help explain it and give them action items as to what needs to be done now about it. 
I love the research then that's gone into it as you've given us an insight because often you see publications rushed out just simply going to market for the sake of publishing. But hearing about those 100 hours, those intense discussions, really understanding, I mean, it is a mammoth amount of research that's gone into it.
Well, it is. And again, I think the beauty of this is that people can have access to that research as well. In fact, at the back of the book, we have a list of all of the webinars that we drew upon and QR codes, which enable them very easily to go to the videotape, as they say, see them themselves. What we've got are basically, in most cases, just a quote or two from them. But there's really a, well, I think of it as kind of a graduate level course on the Chinese Communist Party.The warfare that it's been engaged in, its ambitions for global hegemony, and how far advanced it now is towards realizing that objective, thanks in part to the help of what they call captured elites, especially here in the United States.
I love, looking even just at the beginning of the introduction, one of the short paragraphs was you jump straight in and you see exactly where you understand the issue to be.The Chinese Communist Party is the United States' mortal enemy.The CCP explicitly seeks America's destruction as long as devastating, I bet, pre-violent, unrestricted warfare techniques against us for decades with the help of their friends amongst American captured elites. I just thought, because sometimes authors slowly go into the topic, but you put it straight out there, this is the threat we face.
Kind of up front, yeah. And partly that's because I think, you know, there's a famous expression here in the States, Peter, as you may know, that says a conservativeis a liberal who has been mugged by reality. And I think an awful lot of Americans, and I think people around the world for that matter, have been mugged by the reality of the Chinese, well, biological warfare attack against all of us using this so-called SARS-CoV-2 virus, the Wuhan virus, the Chinese Communist Party biological warfare engineered virus that made the pandemic of COVID-19 possible. And to the extent that they have been mugged by reality and have some sense that there's something really seriously wrong with what the Chinese are doing, there's an appetite for learning more that I think requires just directness and candour and that's what we've tried to bring to this book, The Indictment.
Well, we'll jump into that charge which is the fourth one, that the CCP has waged biological warfare against America and the rest of the world. I'm wondering is this the first time that many people have woken up to the reality with all the information coming out about the origins of it, with China being able to provide the protection equipment, being able to provide the testing equipment, being able to provide everything seemingly extremely quickly.Do you think that was a wake-up call for many people?
I think so. I pray so, because it's certainly urgently needed. And just a word about kind of the structure of the book under the rubric of it being an indictment.We have a number of charges, and you've mentioned charge number four is that the Chinese Communist Party deliberately launched a biological warfare attack against the United States and the world.And that's based on an analysis not only that, in fact, this virus came out of a, biowarfare laboratory in Wuhan called the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This is now more and more generally accepted as what happened, after years of being lied to and otherwise told, no, no, no, it came out of nature.But the real kicker, Peter, and what makes this indisputably a biological warfare attack is that however the virus got out of the laboratory, and we just don't know for sure whether it was by accident or deliberately.What we do know is that the Chinese communists deliberately sent it overseas.And again, as you know, Peter, by contrast, they were ensuring that nobody left Wuhan to go anywhere else in China.But if they wanted to get on a plane to some international destination, especially here, they were on their way.So that is why we consider it to be deliberate, purposeful, malevolent, and in fact a proof of concept of something else that's also in that chapter about charge four, which is very disconcerting, needless to say.And that is that about 20 years ago, the man who was at the time the defense minister of China.A general by the name of Qi Haoqian, spoke in secret to a group of party leaders and told them, among other things, that Deng Xiaoping, the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, the man who brought us, by the way, Tiananmen Square, back in the early 1990s, had given as a charge to the biowarfare program of China, which, by the way, is illegal, the mission of depopulating the United States so that it could be colonized by China.So this episode was, I think, a precursor, a test, a proof of concept, if you will, of what may well be in store for us with a lot worse, a lot more virulent bioengineered viruses or what have you, in that arsenal of such products that the Chinese have been beavering away at for decades now.
The first charge the CCP has perpetrated crimes against the people of China and it's captive nations.We kind of have been aware in the West of how the Chinese people living in China are treated with all different types of controls.I mean, you started on that, a focus on how it's treating its own people, before taking it wider. I mean, tell us more about that.Yeah, this seems to be the right place to start, not only to help people calibrate on the nature of the Chinese Communist Party, namely that it is the most murderous regime in history.It has killed, probably conservatively, a hundred million of its own people. And by that I mean people that it claims are their people, the Tibetans, the Uyghurs, the Southern Mongolians, people now in Hong Kong, people who are really enslaved peoples of China. But the vast majority of that number are Han Chinese themselves, who've been starved, who've been tortured to death, that their organs harvested who've otherwise been thrown into gulags and slave labour camps and all the rest. The point is that never in the history of the world, really if you take the entire history of the world, have you ever seen anything like the killing machine that the Chinese Communist Party has represented, especially if you add, as I think we have to, the 400 million children they have murdered in the womb, they boast about it.And by some estimates, it's probably 500 million at this point.Whatever the number is, it's just staggering.And people need to understand that for two reasons. One, both to properly calibrate, as I say, the character of this enemy we face, but also to realize that if you think about it, even for a half a minute, any regime that treats its own people that badly is not going to treat ours better.So this is one of the reasons why we start with the crimes against humanity by the Chinese Communist Party and then pivot to eight other charges, including the one we discussed, the biological warfare one, that constitute, we think, war crimes against this country and others. 
Well then you move on to CCP is at war with America and it's interesting, myself looking at when we had the Cold War, we had the Iron Curtain, which was the line between the West and between the USSR. And it was a war. And yet when you look at China, the same discussion, the same rhetoric, the same words are not used. And we're just told it's just an economic powerhouse that is fighting for, I guess, control of certain parts. But it's not a war as such. Tell us why you you are saying that the CCP is at war with America?Well, for one reason, they've declared war on America, a little known fact. And I'm not speaking about the publication in 1999. Obviously, with the permission of the Chinese Communist Party of a book entitled, unrestricted warfare, by two senior colonels in the People's Liberation Army, who by way went on to become decorated general officers subsequently, so this was no rogue operation, but they proceeded to lay out I think some 20 different lines of attack that could be used and would be used by the Chinese Communist Party to weaken and take down, if they can, America without firing a shot.But beyond that, which is kind of, as they say in the intelligence business, a clue, the Chinese actually published in May of 2019, not in some secret document internal to the Chinese Party, but in the pages of its most important propaganda outlet, People's Daily, a declaration of, quote, people's war, unquote, against the United States of America. That again is a clue. And Xi Jinping, the general secretary now of the Chinese Communist Party, has made no secret of his belief that the Chinese have to defeat the United States, have to supplant it to become the rightful inheritors once again of the place in the world that the Chinese have historically considered to be theirs, namely the center of the universe, the middle kingdom, the dominant power on the planet.So, for all these reasons, I think it's just unmistakable that they are at war with us.Not necessarily that we want it or that we feel ourselves to be in that state, but that's the facts, ma'am.And if you don't understand it, as the famous Chinese strategist Sun Tzu made clear, you can't possibly win such a war.
China does seem to have an appetite for growth, for control, for dominance, and is happy to bring claims that are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old to lay claim. And the same kind of, I guess, conversation diplomacy in the West doesn't seem to work as well there. Is that a fair thought? 
Well, look, I think the Chinese have many attributes. And when I say the Chinese, I mean sort of the party, the Chinese Communist Party.Some of them are historical traits of Chinese emperors and other rulers, but some of them are unique to the Chinese Communist Party.One is patience, for sure.Another is the practice of deception.For sure. And a third is, going back again to Sun Tzu, to see what you can do to defeat your enemy without actually having to fight them. And all of those are part and parcel of the kind of warfare that the Chinese Communist Party has been waging against us. That general secretary I mentioned a a moment ago, Deng Xiaoping, at the end of the Soviet empire, as he observed essentially the Reagan strategy leading to its defeat, he resolved that that Cold War may be over, but a new Cold War was beginning between the United States and China, and whereas the Soviets had lost theirs, China would win the new one, and they would use what he came to call a hide-and-bide strategy to pull that off.What would that mean? Well, that would mean that they would hide their true intent, which is world domination, and they would bide their time patiently, as the Chinese often do.In the process, they would enlist as much help from elites in particular, what they would say captured elites in places like the United States, who would help with technology, know-how and investment dollars and other ways to both weaken the United States and strengthen communist China.This has played out brilliantly over the past three or four decades, to the point now where the current general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping, sees no need for hiding and biding any longer.He's rather, as I said earlier, frontally, aggressively showing that he intends to pursue, our destruction, including by not just these pre-violent or non-kinetic, unrestricted warfare techniques, Peter, but actually the old-fashioned kind, the shooting war kind as well.
And that capture in America, at least, we've kind of, the media have allowed us a little snapshot into some of the bribery, the espionage there, but we've kind of haven't seen much of it.But it does seem to be so deep, even looking at the institutions, the control that China have on simply educational institutions. I mean, tell us more about about how they've captured that, I guess, so easily.Well, they've done it, I think, partly by that hide-and-bide strategy, by having not only members of various sectors of our society, running from Wall Street and the financial sector to business more generally, to media, to academia, as you say, to Hollywood, And also, of course, our political elites. But they've got buy-in from the top levels of our government to the idea that we want to do whatever we can to enrich and even strengthen communist China.And all these other folks, again, especially those mavens of Wall Street, were only too happy to make good money, at least personally, by engineering the penetration of our society and influential elites by the Chinese Communist Party, but also doing everything they conceivably could do to both enrich and enhance the power of what is in fact our mortal enemy.It's insane. It is reckless. It has put us in extreme peril, I believe, but I think that's essentially how this has worked out over time, and of course, you know, it has to be said.The more culpable such individuals in these elites have become of clearly aiding and abetting our enemy, the more incentive they've had not to acknowledge that reality, to cover it up, to continue to perpetuate it and prosper in doing so personally, but increasing, as I say, danger to the rest of us.In Charge 5 you talk about the economy and that certainly seemed to early on the Chinese were rolling this out.In the cold war you never talked about made in Russia it wasn't a thing but you think made in china and it is everywhere every product not only the electronic side but just everything is made in China.It seems as though they have taken a different route maybe than other times, certainly in the Cold War this was not the route that Russia went down, but the  economic attack, that seems to be specifically part of this attack by the CCP. 
You're absolutely right, and I think that this again goes back to that hide-and-bide idea of Deng Xiaoping. He recognized that one of the things that that enabled Ronald Reagan to take down the Soviet Union was that it had not fully integrated its economy with the West.It had tried to varying degrees, but not very successfully. And certainly when Reagan began his strategy of rolling back, he famously called it, we win, they lose, it became even more difficult the Soviets to have that kind of access and influence. The Chinese set about making sure that they were intimately engaged with Americans, both buying their products for a time and and doing deals that would give these American businessmen, particularly, access to the incredibly appetizing idea of 1 point x billion mouths needing toothbrushes or whatever.That was a kind of tractor beam, if you will, for getting American participation in and involvement with the Chinese Communist Party.Over time, of course, that changed dramatically. All of those industrial capabilities that we had that would sell stuff to China migrated to China. In some cases, quite literally, lock, stock, and barrel.Some of our factories were dismantled and rebuilt in China to sell us from there what we had previously sold them from here.I hail from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the heart of what is now called the Rust Belt.When I was growing up, it was Steel City. It became the Rust Belt, not out of some inevitable decline, but because the Chinese Communist Party's economic warfare essentially took down our steel industry by replicating it there and then for a fraction of the cost, usually through dumping, making it uneconomic to build real steel output here.But that was just one example. You mentioned electronics, you mentioned flat screens, televisions, any number of other things, medicines not least, we have allowed to become increasingly if not exclusively dependent upon China as a result of this kind of economic warfare.And it's madness. I mean, look, we saw in the pandemic the dangers associated with relying on China for not only medication, but personal protective equipment and testing and the rest of it.That is not an accident, comrade.That is by design. And it has made it very difficult for people to contemplate disengaging, decoupling, as it's called, from China.But as we say in the action part of the book, the specific steps, we recommend some 20 of them, we have no choice but to decouple because the Chinese are in the process of doing it to us and it will be extremely problematic if we have not made preparations to compensate for those sources.And of course President Trump understood this and one of his big themes was returning jobs back to America and he was maybe the first leader in the West to realize what was happening and actually do something about it. I mean, tell us about that because that's the chain and obviously with Biden being in, it's again trying to roll that back and seem to try and destroy the manufacturing base, the technology base, everything to make us more subservient on China. 
Right. I think Donald Trump, long before he became president, was very clear-eyed about the problem that we face from China. I've written a number of books on the subject and spoken about it at length for many years, decades I think. As president he sought to take some corrective steps. But this goes back to the point about captured elites.He was obstructed at every turn by people like Steve Mnuchin.The Secretary of the Treasury, Larry Kudlow, who had some shining moments, but unfortunately all too often sort of defaulted to we need to keep engaging and keep Wall Street happy and the like.And similarly, members of Congress, many of them relying on donors like the Wall Street mavens, were not keen on this decoupling and so resisted Trump.I think his single most effective effort was the use of tariffs, which he could more or less do unilaterally and that wasn't directly under the control of the Treasury Department as were things like investment flows and the like.But I just would say this, Peter, I think that the cumulative effect of what Donald Trump did was certainly to showcase the dangers we faced from China, and to try for the first time, really, since Nixon went there.To adjust the trajectory of our relationship. It's a shame. It's really, I think, a tragedy that he wasn't able to do more, partly, you know, I think, due to the considerations that I just talked about, but we'd have been even worse off than we are today if we'd had Hillary Clinton, for example, pursuing aggressively that same policy of doing the bidding of China, enabling its power to grow and otherwise weaken our own.The Chinese have a term for this, they call it comprehensive national power.And I think there's no doubt about it that as it is, especially as a result of the Biden administration, I kind of consider it the Obama-Biden 3.0 administration.But whatever you call it, it's definitely picked up where Obama left off.But the Chinese calculation is their comprehensive national power has greatly increased.And our comprehensive national power has greatly diminished.And unfortunately, that's partly why I think, and I hope I'm wrong about this, as I hope I'm wrong about everything, frankly, but especially this, that they have calculated that they can now, move into that next phase, a shooting war phase, perhaps not cost-free, but with sufficient impunity to make it worthwhile.Well, that's one of the other seven as CCP enablers are taking down the US military and Chinese military spending is huge and it seems though that's rising at a time where the US military are reducing in size and more worried about diversity issues and pronouns than they are about equipment and training. And of course, you could espionage with Chinese taking a lot of secrets and replicating and being ahead in the hypersonic missiles, being ahead of the US. I mean, tell us about that because it does seem that China are in a perfect position of strength going into any possible military confrontation. 
I don't know if it's a perfect position but I'm afraid they perceive it as a position of relative strength to ours, especially in in the Western Pacific, the immense build-up of their Navy,in a few short years, a product of decades of planning, to be sure, and building of shipyards.It's said that one of China's shipyards is larger than the entire footprint of every single American shipyard.And that translates into, of course, vastly greater capacity to push more platforms to sea.And the Chinese are doing that.And, you know, you have now a 300-some ship Navy in China, which is roughly the same size, a bit larger than ours.But when you realize that ours is deployed worldwide and much of it on the other side of a canal in Panama that the Chinese happened to control.It means we've got roughly half of our Navy confronting the entirety of their Navy.And their Navy is not only very modern and increasingly capable, as you say, of having advanced weapon systems on board, but also is now building, we're told, to something on the order of a 400 ship fleet.And that means, you know, we will be outgunned for sure.And to the point that you just made about hyper sonics, Peter, there's a study, as you know, that has just recently been published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute that found that in some 37, out of 44 different technology categories, most of them with relevance to military applications.China is ahead of the United States. So that qualitative edge that we've relied upon to offset quantitative disadvantages is now, I think, unfortunately, a thing of the past.And that's a very ominous thing indeed.Just the final thing to touch on is energy security. And I love the way the book goes through these.You get an absolute overall understanding of the threat. It's not just on the military or economic, but it's the energy security.And obviously Biden is doing all he can to destroy American independent energy policy.But even you see China with the boycotts of Russia energy, well, China and India step in and they just get energy on the cheap.But it seems though that energy security in America is really being degraded alarmingly.
Well again that's the point of the exercise. The Biden administration is deliberately dismantling not only our prospective energy dominance as Donald Trump is fond of talking about but also our energy independence. In favour of what?In favour of making us dependent on China for energy products like solar panels and windmills and even transformers for our electric grid, all of which creates a new supply chain that we simply cannot afford as a matter of national security to rely upon the goodwill of the Chinese to supply.But in a way, this makes a larger point. What I think is the case.And I really don't believe this is an exaggeration, Peter, every policy that the Biden administration has pursued, both domestic and foreign, certainly not just this energy security piece, has two things in common. One, they've all been bad for America. And two, they've all benefited, either directly or at least indirectly, the Chinese Communist Party.And that, I think, has something to do with the fact that the President of the United States is as one of our committee on the present danger China members of career, CIA undercover operative spy who used to recruit and run foreign agents for the United States. He says in the terms of the trade, his business, the lexicon, if you will, of intelligence, Joe Biden has to be described as a controlled asset of the Chinese Communist Party. And that explains a lot about what I just described, and why, again, it is not an accident that it is doing so much damage to us and further emboldening as well as empowering our mortal enemy of the Chinese Communist Party. 
And you mentioned, and we'll just finish on this, that you finish off the book, What Must We Do? 20 Action Items to Protect America and Defeat the CCP. People can go through all those, but you just want to mention, it's always good, you lay out a dark situation, a absolute threat to not only America but to the West itself. But you end off by giving actually points that there is a response that can happen. Let us know more about that. 
Well thank you. Yes, they're relatively brief but they really flow from the longer conversation in the earlier segment of the book where we're talking about the specific problems in these various areas. And it's mostly just common sense, frankly. It starts with understanding that we are, in fact, at war with the Chinese Communist Party. If you don't get that right, you're not going to do much of the rest of it, obviously. That we need to, in fact, adopt a war footing in response to the threat we're facing, much as the Chinese are on a war footing now. And again, increasingly, one that is seemingly meant to be a violent shooting or footing at that. But as important as anything we talk about is the urgent need to remove from positions of power and influence, those captured elites, especially if God forbid, we do in fact face the prospect of a violent conflict with China, we simply can't have as the commander-in-chief of the United States military. It's a controlled asset of the enemy.Another of the very important points, I think, taking a page out of the Reagan playbook, which of course I'm both an admirer of and played a small role in trying to implement. Namely, the delegitimization of the Chinese Communist Party as he delegitimized the evil empire of the Soviet Union is crucial for one other reason besides, you know, trying to make the lives miserable of the CCP. It helps to speak to the people of China, which, going back to where we started, have suffered more than anybody at the hands of the Chinese Communist Party have more interest than anybody in seeing the end of this party. They're not our enemy. We have no, I think, quarrel with the Chinese people. But the Chinese Communist Party is our enemy and theirs as well. And we need to delegitimate them. And we think the way to do that is to describe them as what they are, a transnational criminal organization.
Well, we'll finish on that. I'll again leave our viewers with, there it is, the indictment prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World is available anywhere, not only in the US, but in the UK, in Europe. Frank, I appreciate your time. As I said at the beginning, I'll repeat that you are a legendary figure in the conservative movement and your focus on security brings something quite fresh that others don't bring. So we do appreciate your time today.
And my yours, and thank you for those kind words, and back at you.We appreciate you all as well, and give my regards of Lord Pearson.

Matt Le Tissier - Duped: False Information and Losing Trust in the Institutions

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Matt Le Tissier has experienced how fickle and nasty the British media can be. Overnight he went from being a football legend to a dangerous conspiracy theorist and anti vaxxer! 'Le God' returns to Hearts of Oak to talk about the ongoing attempts by the media to attack and discredit him. We discuss how even outlets we trusted as believers in free speech have apparently become government mouthpieces on the COVID new-speak and how can Britain only have one single MP who will challenge and question the COVID tyranny and jab nonsense.We also touch on Matt's team, Southampton. After 20 years in the top flight they have recently been relegated and we chat about what Matt thinks went wrong this season.So join us this episode for more straight talking and common sense from an absolute gentleman.
Matt Le Tissier is a bona fide football legend, often described as one of the most naturally talented players of his time, the man that south coast residents call ‘Le God’ and one of the most famous soccer stars of the 1990's.Matt joined Southampton FC on the YTS scheme in 1985, signed professional forms with them the following year at 16 years of age and for the next 16 years he put loyalty above riches and remained at the club.A hero to his fans for his creativity, he was the first midfielder to score 100 goals in the Premier League and Matt's penalty taking abilities were renowned, converting 47 out of 48 from the spot.Then for 15 years he was on our TV screens every week on Sky Sports giving his commentary on the Premier League football matches.This all came to a screeching halt when he tweeted his thoughts on the Ukraine/Russia conflict, refused to wear a badge on-air of an organisation he had no interest in being associated with and also retweeting a post that questioned the government line on COVID.These actions were apparently outside the accepted new-speak and for these crimes he was sacked.
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Interview recorded 18.5.23
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(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Matt Le Tissier who rejoins us and we start off looking at obviously the attacks that he has faced through the media on him and his family for simply questioning the COVID narrative and then how the media have turned on people like Andrew Bridgen, the one MP who's spoken up on vaccine harms and how the media have attacked him including media that we trusted like Spiked Online and what that means for our trust in those media institutions that we did rely on for news before.And then we look at 25 percent of Americans not having the jab, latest data coming out, that CDC originally said it was eight percent, three times higher. Again, everything is changing.And then we finish off just asking Matt how he stays sane in the midst of the chaos.And it's wonderful to have the football legend Matt Le Tissier back with us again.Matt, thank you for your time today.
(Matt Le Tissier)
My pleasure Pete, good to see you mate.Always good to have you on and if we can, well obviously your handle there is your Twitter handle, people can follow you and you tweet regularly so people can get all the information their own events you're at, speaking events, your thoughts on the news, everything is there.But maybe first, Matt, my commiserations to you on Southampton's, what, 11 seasons in the Premiership finishing. Yeah, that obviously was your life for many, many years.It must be quite sad whenever it all goes.
Yeah, it is sad.Obviously, no football fan likes to see their team relegated.But I think the saddest part of all for me was I was at the game on Saturday, a game that they needed to win to keep their hopes alive of staying up.And I just couldn't believe what I was watching. You know, the lack of commitment in the game from the players, the lack of effort at times, the lack of passion, the lack of urgency to try to get a result in front of your home fans was something that I had kind of not really witnessed before. And that was the saddest part of the whole season.I guess with clubs that are smaller clubs, it is a nigh on impossible task against the bigger teams who have the financial clout. There is a gap that I guess every season just gets wider.I mean I guess it kind of does, but the great thing about football is that you still, you still have a chance, you can still fight harder than the team that has spent the most money and give yourself a chance in a football match.And at times we have done that. I mean, we were one of the few teams that beat Manchester City this season, we knocked them out of the league cup.So there was occasions where they did play to their full potential and gave it a really good go.But over the last kind of few weeks, uh, the writing's kind of been on the wall.I mean, we had a bit of a decent performance at Arsenal, but again, capitulated right near the end, couldn't hold onto a lead and so, yeah, it's, it's been a disappointing and frustrating season, but it's not all down to financesyou know, you can look at that. Yeah. I look at the recruitment.I mean, you talk about finances, not many people mentioned that we've spent nearly 140 million pound this season.Now for Southampton, that is unheard of. You know, we just don't do that.And we only really spend money if we've sold a player for like 70 million or whatever.But this season we really heavily invested without bringing any money in.And we've ended up cut adrift at the bottom of the Premier League.So you have to kind of look at the department that was responsible for the recruitment of the players, and ask yourself, you know, did they spend that moneywisely and I have to say looking at the season as a whole, no they didn't.
I guess.On the bright side your season ticket will be a bit cheaper now.
Probably not because they still give me free tickets to go watch the game first of all but also you get that many more games in the championship it will feel like it's money saved but it really isn't you just get to watch four extra games.
As you've kind of spoken out. No one, I guess you also, whenever you're just seeing news and speaking out, maybe pushing back against some of the information that comes out.No one expects, I don't think, a massive backlash. I guess if you challenge something, you might get ridiculed, you might get mocked, you might get pulled up, but cancellation isn't really thought, of. Tell us about that as you've spoken up more and more over the last three years. I guess you you weren't expecting the backlash that you faced?Well, I kind of was expecting it after, I guess probably the very first controversial tweet I ever did before we even locked down, I think it was, when I tweeted, why are we making such a big deal about a virus that is only gonna affect the very elderly, and the already immunocompromised?And that was in March of 2020. And the reaction to that was it was quite something. I think it got the most likes of any tweet I've ever tweeted at the time, but it also got the most abuse in the replies, So at that point I thought hang on something's, something's not quite right I've never really had that reaction to a tweet before when I've just given my opinion on something, so I kind of knew early on and then the whole you know, COVID stuff, the George Floyd stuff, the Black Lives Matter, taking the knee, all that business, going against that probably cost me my job to a certain extent, but I wasn't going to be forced into wearing a badge of an organization that I had no desire to be associated with.And so I stood my ground knowing that, yeah, it might cost me my job, but at the end of the day, I think you've got to put your head on your pillow at night and know that you can sleep soundly by the decisions you've made in your life and the principles that you've stuck by.I guess you never thought that you'd end up being a commentator on the culture wars. That's probably the last thing you were thinking.
Yeah, if you'd have told me three years ago that I'd be on a news station giving my political take on things, I would have said you're absolutely mad, given that I'd never really taken any interest in politics, quite frankly. From a young age, I always felt like I never trusted politicians really to have the best interest of the people at heart. And so I'd never even voted in an election or anything. I just stayed clear of politics I just concentrated on my football career, you know building a life for my family. Making sure that I could home them and feed them. And that's kind of what I concentrated on until, March of 2020 when all of a sudden government overreach into my life, I got into a point where I was very uncomfortable with it and decided to stand up for what I thought was right.I enjoyed watching your time with LotusEaters and you went through some of the stories, many hit pieces that have been on you and I guess the hit pieces on family which really hit home.When you look back, I guess when it starts coming out you're thinking, wow, why are they going for me? I mean, they're obviously worried about what you're saying. It's not just, we're going to have a good kick at Matt Le Tissier. It's actually stuff that he's coming out with, we don't agree. And it's not simply, I guess, the journalists themselves who write it, it's from, higher up and the whole story is wheeled out. I mean, tell us about that, because I guess when it comes initially, you're not expecting it. Then you've begun to get accustomed to it, I guess, and think, well, bring it on.
Yeah, I think when you realize that you're going against the establishment and the weapons that they have at their destruction to try to take you down are pretty severe, you kind of get very used to it very early on. So, you know, I kind of made a point of not really reading my replies that much on social media. I kind of put my thoughts out there and just let it linger out out there for people to chew over.And then, you know, you get the hit pieces in the newspapers and I've had a bit of a disdain for newspapers anyway, given the way that they covered my footballing abilities in my career.And so I was kind of used to it. I mean, my football career really kind of primed me, for what was gonna happen over these last three years.And it's been an interesting ride, but as you say, you do, you get used to it. I was used to it.It didn't really affect me at all. You know, it affected my family and the people around me more.And I think sometimes that's the people that they aim to attack because they know that they can't get through me because I've got the skin of a rhino and I believe in what I'm saying.And so when they can't attack me, then the next best thing they'll do is obviously attack the people closest to me because they know that they're the people that I love and that'll affect me.But, I've stood firm, my family know my views and not all my family agree with my views.But, I've never fallen out with them about it. I'm quite happy to allow other people to have their view.And all I ask in return is that they respect me in the same way and the views that I have.And yeah, that's kind of been the crux of it all, really.I think it's important that we have debate in this country. I think it's important that the media should be showing both sides of the story and letting people make their own minds up what they think is right. We haven't had that and so I decided to highlight that because I thought it was important.Tell us about the new people you met, because it's a whole new world that we find ourselves in, not just in what's happening in our country and the world, but also with the people we've got to meet, with this being a completely new cause of forced jabs. None of us had thought, we would ever get that in the UK. In some countries, there are mandatory vaccines, but we haven't really had it in the UK. Tell us about that over the last three years, that journey going from football commentary to actually being at crowds and speaking at events and shoulder-to-shoulder with people who maybe you hadn't come across years before.
It's been incredible the people that I've met over the last few years because we share a common cause.If you'd have told me three years ago that I would have been interviewing people like Dr Peter McCullough, Robert Malone, Mike Yeadon, Dr. Tess Laurie, people like Ivor Cummins, who is probably one of the cleverest men I think I've ever spoke to in my life. He's just a genius for me. And so many more. It's just been incredible, the people that I've been in contact with. I never thought I would be kind of being invited to Zoom meetings where you know, Robert F. Kennedy will be speaking and it's just, it's just mad. I mean, I even got a free round of golf at the Trump International in Aberdeen through my friends at GETTR.So yeah, it's just, it's just been an amazing rollercoaster.
Watching the media and I've been intrigued with it, obviously the media that I guess we traditionally trusted, The Telegraph, Mail.I've grown up kind of on the right of politics thinking I trust them and they stand for free speech and people's personal responsibility and a whole range of issues and then seeing them capitulate completely. I mean what for you that there must have been parts of the media that you would have gone to and more or less trusted the information you were given. What's your thoughts now?
My thoughts now are that I no longer, there's many institutions that I've lost a lot of trust in, a lot of faith in, the media is one of them. I'm not sure I had a huge amount of trust in the newspaper industry anyway, from my experience as a footballer. I didn't realise probably until the last three years just how bad the mainstream news on the TV was in terms of the propaganda that that throws out. So yeah, my trust has been completely destroyed in mainstream media. My trust in government wasn't really there in the first place but that's gone. My trust in the scientific, the scientists around the world, my trust in those has disappeared. My trust in health agencies has disappeared. My trust in the NHS, they've behaved despicably over the last few years.They really have. And it's just, it's kind of turned your world upside down, really. I've kind of taken, taken things in my own hands, really. And I now, you know, tried to look after my health a little bit better, because I don't want to have to rely on those institutions anymore.And you know just try and live my life in the best way possible, in the happiest way possible without having to without having to interact with those kind of organisations.
What institutions then do, because it does shake up your world, and you mentioned the medical side, you mentioned you go to your doctor and that would have been fine. Now actually you think twice about it because you wonder what they will push, what they will force, what their views are.How do you then stay, I guess relatively sane because you see those institutions you trust. Do you say is it me or is it them? How do you kind of cope with that on a personal level?
I cope with it by doing everything in my life not to have to interact with them, so I try and keep myself healthy.I don't try and get myself into any trouble with the law and I just kind of go about my life and make sure that I have a balance in my life to to keep me happy, because at the end of the day, we are still here only once, apparently.Some people might argue that.And I wanna have as good a time as I can while I'm here. So I still make sure I have time to do the things in life that I enjoy, but also, it's also important to speak up about things that I think are harming the world, and about the organizations that I think are not helping people.They are wolf in sheep's clothing, unfortunately, and organizations like the WHO, United Nations, all those kind of things, not for me.Here in the UK we have one MP who has spoken out. We've had a few in Parliament but I've been, surprised at how few Conservative MPs who I thought would have been on the side of concerns of vaccine harms and excess deaths and all that, they've remained silent while Andrew Bridgen has been kicked and mauled and abused by the Conservative Party and then was forced out.I mean, he's someone who I know you've been on the stage with and I'm sure you've got to know.I mean, has that surprised you? There haven't been a number of others to come to support him, that we have one out of 650 actually on this.
I'm not sure it does surprise me, to be honest, given politicians' record down the years and also knowing the amount of corruption that is in Westminster, knowing the amount of influence pharmaceutical industry have over certain individuals. So it doesn't surprise me that there's only one. Yeah, I interviewed Andrew just before Christmas, on my GETTR live streams.And I'm very, very grateful for what Andrew has tried to do for the vaccine injured, like quite a few of us, we've tried to shine a light on this issue, because the government are completely ignoring them. And given that it was the government that were the ones that were heavily coercing people into taking these vaccines and now they've just, the ones that took them and were damaged by them, have just been completely thrown aside and ignored, I think is an absolute disgrace and the other 649 MPs need to hang their heads in shame for what they've done for these people.
Have you ever thought of putting yourself in the mix politically? I live and breath politics, we would have been opposites, but yes, I've kind of found myself on the sides with no political party affiliation. I'm seeing Andrew Bridgen actually has intrigued me to what might happen with Reclaim, with Lozza, and they're not the only ones. Have you thought of putting yourself mix because you should take Twitter to to the to the poling booth should you not?
Obviously I hadn't really thought about it seriously and it probably hadn't crossed my mind until I don't know maybe the last year or so when people have people have actually suggested that to me and I thought ah, do I really want to go down that route would it make any difference is the system rigged. But I certainly think if there was a new political party formed that was for the people, for the freedom of speech, then I would certainly back it. I might consider running for a party like that but it's not something that was ever kind of on my radar. No great ambition to be a politician, quite frankly, I feel like the whole system at the moment is actually a bit of a sham and I don't think we're getting represented properly by the parties that are in power. The two main parties look like two cheeks of the same arse to me. So if there was a way that that could be shaken up and I had trust in that process then yeah I'd consider it.
I mean is is alternative media a more powerful way of engaging with the public and changing their opinion to think,
Uh, I think so. I think alternative media over the last few years there has been such a rise, so many people that I now speak to in everyday life and I've had two conversations already this morning, a friend of mine rang me to speak about CBD, which I've just kind of got involved with and another guy just on my taking the dog out for a walk just before I came and spoke to you, randomly just stopped his car, got out, gave me a hug and said, thank you very much for standing up for what a lot of us believe in.We follow the same kind of people and we've got the same thoughts as you and we just wanted to say thank you for having the balls to stand up with a public persona, and say what lots of other people behind the scenes without a big profile and a big platform are thinking really.Yeah, because there is that massive disconnect. The media want to paint you and people who are speaking truth as dangerous and someone you cannot associate with.But actually, the response you said you get is probably the more normal response of gratitude and thanks.
It's amazing, out in what I call real life, not on social media, not in the mainstream media, in real life when I'm going about my business on a daily basis, playing golf with people, doing my after dinner speaking, going to events like Cheltenham races, which I went to a few weeks back, and the response there was just incredible this year.Honestly, I can't tell you how lifted I was by the amount of people that came up to thank me and wanted pictures taken with me, and didn't have a single negative comment from any of the public who were there at Cheltenham.It was really uplifting.You mentioned, just to ask you before going on, you mentioned CBD and you've been talking about that as having health benefits, and it's something which is, I guess, fairly new in the UK market.Why did you get involved in promoting that and encouraging others to take a look into it?
It's a rapidly growing market, first and foremost, and I'd been approached a while ago, And I kind of, first of all, I was quite sceptical about it.I was like, well, I don't really know enough about that to be promoting it.And I've never tried it. So they said, we'll send you some stuff, see what you think.And so I have, I've been trying, I've been using the CBD gummies, I've been using the sports gel.And I could honestly say with my hand on my heart, it's made a difference to me.And so that's why I'm now happy to, because I've tried it and I've looked into it.I've done a bit of research into it.And everything about it from what I've read, tells me that it's got some really helpful benefits for people, so that's why I was happy to get involved in promoting it.
Back on to some of the data that we've seen come out, I think the latest data is that 25% of Americans did not take the jab. And that was interesting because I think the CDC had about, 8%. So you've got a massive disconnect where the figure is three times difference. And then the UK was seeing that the booster, there's a website you can put in your postcode and the booster..
Yeah I've done it...
but the booster in my area it's one percent.
Same.
So what, again that reiterates the information we've got is very different and that seems to be getting through. Now that's publicly available, people can find out that no one else is getting this.
Well that for me basically summed up what was happening with the media, the propaganda that was being used, the psychological operations and I think they were saying it was five million I think it was in this country that they were saying the five million refus-niks, I think was the headline in one of the papers and then, yeah when the when the actual figures came out it was like 23 million or something and that's what they do, they try to make you feel in a tiny minority and they try to turn everybody else against you.That's how they do it. It's psychological manipulation. And that's why, the nudge unit, the behavioural insights team on the SAGE committee and all that kind of stuff.And if you kind of know about this stuff, it's really easy to see through it.But if you have no idea about it, then you are gonna continue to be duped.I think it's probably the best word for it.You're gonna be in positions where you're looking at information and thinking, oh, blimey, this is really bad, this is really bad.And these people over here, they're absolute nutcases because there's just like a tiny few of them and they're going completely opposite to what I'm being told by the government.But that's not the reality of the world. And these people, I'm afraid, are gonna have a big shock, I think, at some point down the line when they realize that actually the governmentdon't really give a shit about your health mate, and don't really care about you at all.In fact they'd rather you weren't on the planet.Well they're working hard on that. Duped is an interesting word because duped was the word that Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running for presidential candidate for the Republicans in America.He was on an interview and said that he feels that he was duped and then discussed that and moved on.It's fascinating when you have high profile people that are beginning to catch up and and waking up and speak.And that's kind of like a juggernaut that whenever the more and more people get on board speaking that truth, the higher profile, the dam will break.
Yeah, the harder it is for the media to then suppress the information, as more and more people speak out and more and more of the general public understand what the truth is, then it's harder and harder for the mainstream media to keep lying about it.And eventually you then force them into telling the truth. And this is how you do it with numbers.And that's why we see little snippets of the truth coming out, little admissions about things.Nobody told you when the vaccine first came out, not a single person from any pharmaceutical company told you that they didn't actually test the vaccine to see whether or not you could pass it on.Still, it wasn't tested for stopping transmission. Nobody, not a single person in the world told you that before the vaccine came out.Now that is quite an important bit of information, I'd say. And if you're gonna be starting to take an experimental injection, you probably should be able to have all the knowledge available to be able to let you make an informed decision on whether you take it or not.And people didn't have that.And they were duped. It was exactly the right word.
I'm amazed at the disconnect with people not trusting politicians, but then trusting them.Having the conversation, I'm thinking, the penny has to drop at one point.You hate this person with a passion, but you'll go and do anything they say.It's such a weird concept.
Well, that's because of, I believe, It's because of people's innate belief in their system that they want to feel safe.And it's the whole safety thing that these people pray on, everything is for your safety.Don't kill granny. It's all psychological manipulation.And they know that. And that overrides their emotions that they felt towards these politicians before all this happened.I guess, and you look back and you think, I didn't actually see many investigative pieces on these large drug companies. I didn't see them talking about Pfizer and the pay-outs they've had to make for harm. It's a whole back part of the story that actually the public have very little understanding about.
Absolutely. That was another one of the things that I looked into.The biggest criminal fine in history was paid by Pfizer back in 2009, 10 somewhere around there, and these pharmaceutical companies are not ethical companies. They are there to make money. They're not there to make you healthy. That's not their prime objective, their prime objective is to make money and if you think about it logically, if they came up with a cure for things, they'd be putting themselves out of business.So their objective is to just make you sick enough to make you need more tablets.And those tablets will always have a side effect. And guess what?We've got a tablet for that side effect.And when that tablet is used, that's got a side effect as well. And guess what?There's another tablet that can cure that side effect.And there's how they make all their money.
It's true, because looking at cancer, even begin to go down that rabbit hole, and very little of the conversation is about healthy lifestyle or what you eat.And it's simply, well, you need to go and go for radiotherapy or chemotherapy and blast all your body.And it's the most ludicrous way of trying to fix a problem by just destroying your whole body.And even now looking at that, and I remember talking to people years ago who'd have said, oh, there's a quack and they think that, you know, you can cure yourself by healthy eating, that sort of thing.But now I'm beginning to think, well, actually, the only reason why the root of therapy though, it is an industry that the drug companies exist for, maybe it's not true.Yeah, I think it's interesting. Well, I've spoken to quite a few people who have their own stories about people who were given six weeks to live because they had cancer, they went for an alternative therapy, and they're still alive and kicking today because they tried something a little bit different.And I think you're right, I think there are cancer treatments that have been suppressed by pharmaceutical companies because it's not in their interest to do that.On the free speech thing, I watched the short, only 30 minutes, I think, Andrew Bridgen interview on GB News with the person from Spiked Online. It was intriguing to watch, in many ways, but one of the ways was Andrew was logical. He was putting down the data that he had come across, and what you had back is conspiracy theorists, dangerous.I was blown away. It's something you expect, I guess, from an Antifa type of group, when they shout abuse at you whenever you're talking, but actually, grown up media, it's the same tactic that they're just shouting abuse and trying to demonize you.
Absolutely. They never rebut the data. You're right.They just call you names. You're either an anti something, or a conspiracy theorist, or a denier. These are all their favourite little terms that they just use to shout at you so they don't have to address the point in question. And that's something that's become pretty obvious to me over the last few years that once somebody shouts the conspiracy theory thing at you or calls you a denier or an anti, I mean, I've been an anti vaxxer, apparently, despite the fact that this is probably the only vaccine I've never taken in my life.My children were vaccinated. And so to be called an anti-vaxxer is like, well, it doesn't really add up, mate, does it?You're just using that term to try and shut down an argument because you don't really feel comfortable talking about it.Because in the back of your mind you probably know that I'm right.
The whole anti-vax kind of thing, well, actually, I wasn't before, but actually, I'm kind of beginning to lean that way now.
I'm exactly the same. I would never take another vaccine in my life now. They've completely destroyed my trust in all vaccines, completely destroyed it. They've absolutely shot themselves in the foot when it comes to me and a lot of other people like me who did used to trust that industry, who no longer do. And yeah, I'm not sure they they actually realized that that was going to be the case
Other data coming out is the excess deaths and I think it was a Daily Mirror headline that's basically said so many people are dying and we don't know why.
Doctors are baffled! Doctors are baffled, it's just incredible, I mean doctors have got to be the stupidest profession in the world if they are baffled by what is going on. 2,000 or more people dying every week than what would normally die.What could it possibly be? What's happened over the last couple of years that might just affect that? And then they go, oh, it's long COVID. That's what's doing it.And that just, for me, destroys their credibility even more. The fact that they can't even admit to going, oh maybe, just maybe, small part, might be because of these gene therapies that have come out.They won't even admit that and that just makes me more suspicious.When you look over all that's happened, you've got that, you've got the WHO meeting, the end of this month and that seemingly they will pass a resolution that will give them the right to tell governments how to run their health services in the case of an emergency.You've got that, you've got obviously all the central bank digital currencies, you've got what's happening in Netherlands with stopping farming.When you look at all that and you sit back, is there a specific one that really frustrates you?You think, If I put my finger in something that's it or is it just all parts of the jigsaw?
I mean there's a there's a lot of parts of the jigsaw. It's a multifaceted attack on humanity is what it is. I can't describe it any other way. Is there one bit that's more important than all the other bits? Do you know, for me the thing that's most important about probably everything, you talk about the specifics of the CBDCs and the farming and everything. But I think on top of everything sits freedom of speech.I think it's the foremost important thing that we have to protect to be able to shine a light on the corruption that's going on below with all the other stuff that's going on.We need to be able to shine a light on that without the fear of getting arrested because you've said something on social media that goes against the government. And so for me, the freedom of speech thing is the umbrella that covers every bit of corruption underneath it.
And it seems though the CBDC will be a massive part of that. I hadn't realized until actually, when Mike Yeadon spoke at an event the other week and I looked into it that when you pay with your credit card, if you pay on a card, then it's a record of you paying 10 pounds in Sainsbury's.But if you use CBDC then actually it breaks it down and it gives the government, I guess, the control they have in China with a social credit system.
Yep, they can start controlling just how much money you spend on certain foods a week. You can only buy so much meat if they want you to. It's a control mechanism that is just way beyond the pale when it comes to intrusion into the lives of the people of this country.
Matt, I appreciate you coming on, and well you were probably going to be playing golf today, it's a beautiful day, lovely golf weather is it?
I probably would of done if I hadn't of been speaking to you, I've got another one at 12 o'clock to do and then I'm going to head up to London and have dinner with some friends tonight.
Well I'll blame your 12 o'clock for stopping your golf and not mine.
Yeah it probably is the twelve.
Thank you for your time Matt.
Great to talk to you, Pete.

Richard Fairbrass - Not my Pride

Richard Fairbrass -  Not my Pride - Show notes and Transcript
We are currently in the holy month of Pride with every business and shop window sporting an obligatory rainbow or LGBTBS flag. Richard Fairbrass (one half of the dynamic British pop duo that is Right Said Fred) joins us to give his thoughts on Pride. Being a gay man, it is fascinating to have his thoughts on how pride has moved from rights to indoctrination. And of course we discuss the Fred's brand new album which is the good news story in this month of confusion and madness.
Richard Fairbrass is one half of legendary British pop band Right Said Fred. The Freds are one of the UK’s most enduring pop exports. Since forming in 1989, brothers Fred and Richard Fairbrass, have a list of achievements as songwriters and a band that include number #1 hits in 70 countries, they were also the first band to reach the number one slot in the US with a debut single since The Beatles.As multi-platinum award winning artists and songwriters, their global sales total 30 million and over 100 million plays on Spotify.They have writing credits on Taylor Swift and Sofi Tukker’s songs, their music has been featured in over 50 films and TV Shows and in excess of 100 commercials.The boys have performed with Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger and David Bowie plus plaudits from Madonna, Jay Z, and Prince to name but a few.30+ years on and 10 studio albums later, The Freds have found a new legion of fans with their no-nonsense views during the Covid ‘pandemic’ regarding lockdowns, masks, vaccines, nonsensical rules and all the regurgitated hysteria that surrounds it.They have been a staple feature at the huge anti-lockdown and freedom protests seen in London and have shown their integrity on their social media and in interviews, pointing out and challenging all the lies, scaremongering and hypocrisies that have been forced upon the population from the government and the main stream media.Right Said Fred are living proof that two music-loving brothers with an ear for a hit, plenty of passion, self-belief and a bit of critical thinking can defy all expectations and conquer the world – long live The Freds!
Their latest album 'The Singles' available from Amazon and all good record stores...https://www.amazon.co.uk/Singles-Right-Said-Fred/dp/B0BXXZR9YK/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=right+said+fred&rnid=1642204031&s=music&sr=1-5
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Interview recorded 14.6.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Richard Fairbrass, of course one half of the duo that is Right Said Fred and that's just Richard with us today not Fred and I want to talk to Richard about the topic Not My Pride but before we get into that we open up looking at the music side they've just got a new album coming out reworking of all of their singles. Fantastic album, you want to get hold of it, all the details are on their website.And of course you can get hold of all different merch and you can get hold of their autobiography which they released last year and we covered that a year ago. But today I want to talk to him about his experiences as someone who's gay with the whole month of pride, the whole LGBTQ++ BS has been forced on all of our throats and it's a fascinating, intriguing insight for me to understand where he is coming from and why he doesn't think pride is good.Talking about the commercial aspect, massive businesses, money behind it, media behind it, everyone is pushing it and forcing it at us.The whole LGBT agenda in schools, all of that great conversation.And Richard giving his insights, which I know you will love.
Nice to have you back with us again? Thank you for your time today.
(Richard Fairbrass)
It's a pleasure. Nice to be here.Thanks. Nice to see you, Peter.
Good to have you with us and lots been happening. First of all, @TheFreds on Twitter.Everyone can find you there. Right Said Fred is the website.And we want to go and talk about pride and your thoughts on that.But first, there's some better news this month.The better news is a release of a Right Said Fred album. Do you want to tell us about that?Because it's been, what, it was, I think, five years ago?Five years ago, so it could be longer.
Yeah, we have to be a bit abstemious sometimes, because we have to pay for it, because we're independent, so we've got to pay for the video ourselves.Well, this idea came to us through somebody else, who suggested that we should do an album of remixes.These are re-records.We've re-recorded every song, and also to include songs that are less well-known because nobody would play them during the lockdown and everything else.We wrote this stuff during lockdown, but it was just stuff that we enjoyed doing.We didn't necessarily plan to release it.So when we did the album, it's basically half and half. It's 50 re-recordings of established tracks, and the other half is brand new stuff, which includes a new single, Spiritual War.What was the video clip I saw of you? What's a German band? I loved it.
The Streichfrieder. That's on the album too. Yeah, exactly. Well, they're a German umpire band, what do you call it? That's how they make their living.And we did a radio thing down in Germany some time ago. And it was somebody else's idea, why don't they play on Too Sexy and we'll record it and do a carpool type thing.And to be honest, I mean, I'm useless at stuff like this. I would be the most hopeless A&R man ever to walk the earth.Because I just thought, this is going to be rubbish. And it's gone mental.Everybody loves it. So what do I know? Yeah, and they're great.They did a really good job. I went and did the vocal.And we drove around, I can't remember what town we were in.I don't know, it was in Germany somewhere, I can't remember.But the German fan base has been really good and the support of German radio has been really good.And it's less, it seems to be less fan-driven in Germany, but I can't be sure about that.
Of course, it was what, last year, you released your autobiography.
It was August last year,Tell us about that. What has that been like? People can find your life warts and all.I know that in the book.Tell us about that.
Well, Omnibus came to us with the idea and we worked with a guy called John McIver who has done a lot of that sort of rock and pop autobiography stuff.But I think what happened was, in my memory, we agreed all this prior to the first lockdown.And then when Fred and I started of making the mistake of having an opinion and actually verbalizing it.Omnibus walked away, and so did everybody else. So, yeah. So, bookshops and Waterstones was one.And in fact, back in the early days, it was WH Smith that was the most supportive, amazingly.But yeah, it was scuppered from day one, basically, because of who we are and what we say.So the thing is, with the sensitive issue, it's not that you're specifically told not to say something.You just know that if you do say something you will lose that job or that placement or whatever it happens to be, it's censorship in all but name actually.I grew up in a country, I thought I grew up in a country where saying what you thought and being a little bit out of the box, particularly for a pop musician you're expected to be a little bit out of the box.So I was stunned, Fred and I were both absolutely stunned when it became clear that 99% of artists, basically bought the story, and the people who didn't were ostracized.I mean, one good example was Eric Clapton, who merely told the story of the effect of the jab on him, and I think he lost the use of his hands for I don't know how long for, but enough for him to worry.And he merely did an interview, that's all he did. He didn't say, do this or don't do that, he just told his story.And the flack he got for it was depressing. So there's been a bit of learning curve, this is not necessarily the country that I thought it was.Certainly not my dad, he would have been amazed actually, I think.
Because you kind of think music industry, you kind of think it's raging against the system, it's saying what it wants, it's standing up for independence and freedom and to hell with anyone else.And yet it seems to fold and accept whatever mandates, controls, or restrictions are put in place, which is strange.
It is, yeah. I mean, if you go back into the 60s, when people like Joan Baez and Country Joe and the Fish and Bob Dylan and all these people were talking about, one, directly or indirectly about the war in Vietnam or race riots or whatever it happens to be, pop music and pop culture was at the forefront of that.And you didn't have to agree with their position, but they were allowed to have that position and make it known publicly.That is not the situation that we are in now in the West. It doesn't matter what particular position, what subject you're talking about.It's almost impossible not to offend and transgress upon somebody's sensitivities.And it cripples everything.It cripples speech. It cripples behaviour. And when we've been doing some radio interviews, What's interesting is, when you're on mic, the story is, the interviewer is very cagey about their position, but once the mic's off, and it's all, you know, it's not being recorded, the general consensus is, you know, I agree with what you're saying.And we've had that from musicians, musicians who don't say a word in public, and then we get these emails, or Facebook stuff, saying, keep going, guys, you know, it's great.And then they'll all take the jab to do a pub gig. It's just a,frankly, I think they've all been, it's shameful. I mean, it's, yeah, I can't think of a nice thing to say about people like Pink or anybody else.Well, the one nice thing we can is your website. And this is what people will find.rightsaidfred.com, I'm sure I recognize that warehouse from somewhere.I'm sure I've been there.Tell us about, yeah, the merchandise, all of that, what people can find on the website.
Well, a few years ago, we tried to design our own T-shirts and merch, and it was such a disaster.It was absolute, nobody thought that anything we thought was funny.Nobody else said it was funny.So we've been, we've got, in fact, in the storage, we've got bucket loads, boxes and boxes of T-shirts that we designed, that nobody wants.But this stuff designed by the guys at Plastic Head through Steve Beatty have done a really, really good job. and lots of different takes on a theme.And amazingly enough, they are t-shirts that I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear.The one you see, the ghost behind Fred, is obviously me.And that was the one that came out of the box first. But there are dozens and dozens of alternatives to that.Yeah, there's the Spiritual War song.
Yeah, Bob Moran.
I mean, how did that link up with Bob? Because Bob has kind of summed up what's been happening in his imagery.And then you bring the music to it. And it's fascinating to have those two sides of, I guess, the artistic, the creative art coming together and enforcing it.I mean, how did that come together?
Well, we went to Bob because we've met Bob on several functions and stuff about this. And we got to know him, we got to like him.And so we sent him, we asked if he would do graphics to the song.And we sent him the lyrics. And we made it clear that, one, we were prepared to pay for it.And two, that if he didn't want to do it and didn't like the song, fine, it didn't matter.But he loved the song, his wife loved the song, and they agreed to do it for nothing.Although the original of that artwork now is up for a bucketload of money.And he's done a brilliant job. I think it's absolutely, absolutely brilliant.And it makes you laugh. I mean, the picture of Sam Smith in the bottom right-hand corner, where he's just hysterical.
Its just hysterical, the thing is, the thing what I like is I like the fact that, the pop industry has become incredibly po-faced, I think. It's incredibly up its own rear end, you know.And if we were all just, you know, working on a cure for Alzheimer's or cancer, I could understand it, but it's pop music.And I think it's incredibly important to be passionate about what you do.So being passionate about pop music, I'm behind that.But be passionate about comment. Be passionate about everything other than doing what the corporates tell you.And there's an awful lot of that corporate stuff going on right now.And the reason I think a lot of artists are quiet is maybe it's because their label doesn't want them to speak out their management, their publishing, publishers there. I don't know. It doesn't matter who it is. I know from our experience, if we were still signed to our old label, we would have had phone calls. Can you not say that? Can you apologize for that? Can you know, and you've got to, you've got to say what you think. I just, life is too short for this nonsense. I know, I know it sounds corny, But when I'm shaving in the mirror, would I be able to look at myself happily if I had been bullshitting for the last two and a half years?No, I wouldn't. No. So it was we were between rock and hard place.We just had to do what we what we wanted to do. And the the fallout was the thing that surprised us more than anything else.Well, I know that many viewers and listeners will want to go on the website and get all the merchandise.And in doing that, supporting you as you have spoken out and being a voice, I guess, in the wilderness in the entertainment industry. So definitely.Yes, it has been a bit of a... I was kind of torn between being really angry that nobody more famous spoke out, and thinking, well, you know, in a way, if somebody more famous spoke out, they'd get all the attention.
That's true.
I was kind of... I was split, really, you know. But yeah, it was so clear to me. I mean, If you have a memory at all, and you look back to the days of John Smith or Robin Cook or Peter Shaw, imagine any of those people crying on a TV show like Matt Hancock did.It's not worthy of respect at all. And I think we have to, you know, the people say you get the newspapers you deserve, and maybe we're getting the politicians we deserve.
Yeah.Perhaps I think so, yeah.I want to discuss the whole issue on pride. It's always good to talk to people where your backgrounds are just so obvious.I mean, I'd be very socially conservative, grew up in a very traditional church.I want to understand your background, I guess the whole gay rights during whatever, 80s, 90s, and then before we jump into where we are at moment with pride and the alphabet soup. But I mean, set the scene. What was, for you as someone who's gay, what was that like, kind of fighting and standing up and trying to get those, I guess, freedoms and rights?
Well, it didn't really, it didn't dawn on me at all. When I was living in the countryside, there was one guy in the town who wore orange trousers, and it was always reckoned that he was probably gay. It was the orange trousers that gave it away.So I had quite a few girlfriends back then, but it never felt like, I never felt I connected. And it's I mean, so it was a really cerebral kind of connection. It just didn't work. And then I moved to London, and I hooked up with an American guy. And then we, and then he went back to America, who now lives in Alaska, I think. And then I met Stuart. And I met Stuart in a bar in Earl's Court, it was almost empty. I made the mistake of winking at him. And then he started walking over I remember thinking oh my god he's walking over oh no no no no no no and we were together for 28 years and that was what, and I think what made me more assertive about it was Stuart, he knew he was gay when he was 12, he told me and uh and my affection for Stuart was um, was so strong that I felt it would be really disrespectful to him to deny it, now I did deny it to start with, and you know the old saying, buy now, gay later.I don't know if you've ever heard that, but I think it's funny.Have you not heard that? If you're saying you'll buy, then buy now, gay later.And it's kind of true, I've got to say.And when the band first came out, and I came out, I think to The Sun, I think, and in all fairness to The Sun, they were very, very, very sort of civilized.When did you come out?
When the band first broke. Publicly.Because I knew that I wouldn't be able to lie. I knew that I couldn't make bullshit. I just couldn't.But I had this bizarre idea in my head that if I went down to the local newsagents and bought all the copies of the newspaper, nobody would know.What? Can you honestly believe that? That's what I thought. And I told mum.She cried for about a year.By this time, dad had passed away.And I didn't, I mean, Stuart and I, we lived in Fulham at the time, and we used to walk past Stanford Bridge, the football ground, hand in hand. And Stuart was 17 when we first met.And it never crossed my mind that it was an issue. I couldn't understand for the life of me why anybody would think our, the affection we have for each other was of any concern of anybody else's.I couldn't understand it, actually. It was really surprising to me.Stuart worked for Stonewall, I think, for a very short amount of time.But what was interesting to me, and we'll get on to it at some point about the idea of community, the gay community thing, when Stuart was ill, he was ill on and off for quite a long time, all the people that cared for Stuart, including me, apart from me, were all straight.His carer was straight, his live in helper, the daily helper was straight.We never got one call from any of the gay agencies, none of them.I don't think Stuart got a call even from Stonewall, despite the fact he'd worked there.So I agree with Douglas Murray on this matter. I think that there is no such thing as a gay community.It's just a whole bunch of gay people who think they're in a community.They're not, they're not, and also being gay is not that interesting or special.It just is, it's like talking about the shoe size or it's like talking about your hair colour or whatever, it just simply is. And there are plenty of people out there who have tried to turn it into some kind of brave campaign. And there's no doubt about it, for some people coming out, it does require a certain bravery, it demands a certain self-confidence and a decision in your own head that regardless of the result, the reaction we're going to get, you will stick by what you are.So I wouldn't say, but brave is a bit of a big word, I think, for coming out.I'm not sure that it is that. But unfortunately, we now have LGBTQ blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.And it's become something else. It's morphed into a blancmange of colours and numbers and letters.And it doesn't speak to me, and it doesn't speak to many, many, many gay people.And Douglas Murray talks about, he talks about when you see a low loader lorry at a pride and a bunch of gay disco bunnies all dancing to disco music, thinking that they're significant because they're gay.They're not. They're not. They're just gay. It's really, really simple.And it should be. In fact, I think, in a funny kind of way, the fact that the flag is so important to to some people, tells us that we haven't really moved on at all.What would be interesting to me is that nobody cares. You don't need a flag.You don't need to wave, do a pride march or anything else, because it is what it is.And we accept that in the same way that you don't have an immigrant day, or a black day, or a Jewish day, or whatever. A month, actually.So I would be much happier if the flag was unnecessary, and we just assumed that every bank, and every retail outlet, every corporation was gay friendly whatever the word is but you know tolerant and and unmoved by it you know so in a way I think this is what we're seeing now is a regressive, it's regressive rather than progressive I think back in the day as I said earlier when there was there was a political movement and Section 28 and all that stuff had to be fought.I get that, I really do get that, but we're in a post-liberation moment now.And I've said to Peter Tatchell a couple of times actually, some gay people, some gay men, think that liberation is to do with the amount of sex you have, as opposed to the love that you feel.I think that's a really, for me, that's quite an interesting dichotomy, I think, that gay people measure their liberation by the sex they have, as opposed to being honest about the love they feel.
That's a conversation I've kind of had with most of the people I've known who have been gay in work, in all different areas, and that's kind of the conversation, that they seem to be someone who goes from partner to partner, there's no monogamous relationship and they're happy to, over a few drinks, which I always think is strange to regale their exploits.This is true. But why is that? But yeah, you will you will get that anyway.But it's it seems to be that they never settled down.And it's always this. And is that kind of I've always kind of looked from the outside and thought, that's maybe just the thing that happens in the gay community, which we will touch a little bit.But yeah, tell us more of that.
Well, I think it's, I mean, I'm not against gay sex clubs. I've been to them. I'm not against saunas. I'm not against any of that. But I think the focus, and as I've got older, and now Stuart died 13 years ago, and I still think about him every single day. So what I'm confronted with is, What is that?And now I can't do casual stuff, I'm just not interested in it.Whereas I did back in the day.So I think some gay men are very, how can I say this? I don't want anybody to be offended by this, but I get the feeling a bit disconnected.A bit disconnected from their true feelings and what then their true wants and needs.And some men, in the same way that some men find it difficult, straight men to talk prostate cancer, some gay men find it difficult to talk about love and to talk about genuine affection. And I think that's something that needs addressing, but it might be one of those things that just happens organically over the years. We're actually still in quite a new period now with gayness, if you like, and homosexuality being so readily acceptable by so many people.So it may change over time. But I do think at the moment, I think there's too much of an emphasis on, as you say, the one-night stand and the sex clubs and all that.And I've done all that, and it was deeply unsatisfying.One of the things I do think, I've always thought this, I'm sure straight people think that gay sex is absolutely brilliant.And it really is not.It can be just as crap as straight sex. So let's not get the jealous thing going on.I do get this feeling that they think, some straight guy thought, I wish I was gay, then I could be doing this and that. No, it's not.It can be just as rubbish as anything else. But I think the rainbow thing and the LGBT thing has changed out of all recognition to what I understood it to be when it started.So I've never liked the expression queer. I hate that expression.It's an ugly word. I have nothing in common with trans. I'm not against trans at all.I think people are entirely entitled to live their life as they choose.But it has nothing to do with my life choices and the things that I'm seeking.So that the LGBTQ blah blah blah is a meaningless...It's a clown car, it's nonsense, and the alphabet people doesn't really interest me at all.In fact, I went to a march, well I didn't go to the march, I went to a watch a march back in the day, and it didn't speak to me at all, it just didn't.I looked at these people, it could have been a celebration of ceramics, or anything.I looked at them and thought, is this me? No, it's not, it's not me at all.And I think there are lots of gay people out there, lots of gay guys out there like that.And it's important to remember that lesbians and gay men want very different things, they have different demands, different wishes. And so I'm also very cynical about corporate endorsement. When I see the flag outside Barclays, or the flag outside Couts, or whatever, or the multi-coloured lighting inside a cathedral, come on, don't treat me like an idiot. This is Corporate, cynical, paper-thin support, means nothing.And in a way, if you need to protest that loudly, you've probably got a problem.
I remember going to Heathrow the other week, Walking in through one of the walkways on terminal two, I think it was, and the whole ceiling was lit up with, I thought, why, why, I just, I'm here because I want to flight, and yet, this is, it's pervading every part and it's, you want to flight, would you like a, a gay flight, would you like a trans flight, I'd just like a, a form of transport to get me from A to B.
Exactly. It's become, I mean, there's an estate agent around the corner, and first of all, a few months ago, they had thank the NHS everywhere. Now they've got the flag. It's this kind of knee-jerk reaction to whatever is happening at the time. I think my brother made the point, and I think it's a good point. For some people, the gay flag denotes for them, particularly if they live in more remote areas, it shows a level of support for them.So if there's a little flag in their local post office, it means they can walk in and feel relaxed about it.I understand the importance of the flag in those circumstances.But the corporate thing, I think we need to be very, very cynical about that.And there was a thing the other day, my brother was telling me about Zebra Crossing, which is now painted in the rainbow colours.And some gay activists were complaining that there were rubber marks on the thing, and they were saying, we've got to stamp out this hate.I mean, sorry, you know, you can't get your head around the idiocy of it.And of course, some people thrive on this, some people need a cause, they need to have something.Just simply living their life and looking after their friends and family and getting a job and all that stuff is just not enough. They have to be shouting and screaming about something.
Why is that? Because again with this kind of groupings, identities.And I know when, I remember coming to London 20 years ago, and you would connect with people who would be like-minded on, it could be on religion, it could be on pets, it could be on their workplace.And kind of, for me, my first thought was not to introduce myself as a heterosexual, that that would not, and kind of, in one way you're looking for friendship and therefore you're not kind of thinking, of the sexuality in terms of it.Why is it that kind of, so I perceive it's always pushed to be a grouping that has to be gathered around sex, and that has to be your prime identity, where surely it should just be one of many parts of you.
I agree, I absolutely agree with that. I think the people do, the people, there are some guys, that I used to know, and they would only ever watch gay movies, they'd only ever buy gay books, they'd only ever read a gay newspaper, their whole life was enveloped in the gay world, if you like. So they weren't connecting to the world beyond. And me being gay is the smallest part of me, really, actually. I mean, it's a very small... When I was with Stuart, it's a much bigger part of me, because that was part of my life. But now Stuart's gone, it's retreated in a way, and it's still... It's an important part of me, but it's not the most important part of me. And I agree with you. If I was meeting people, I would not introduce myself, hello, my name's Richard Fairbrass, I'm a gay man and I'm a singer, you know. I wouldn't do that.
So it's, the thing is, if you look at the, I mean, there's a thing in the picture of the White House with, you've seen the flags, you know, and there is something weird going on. There's definitely something weird going on. I don't know what it is. I think the gay, the LGBT flag thing has been co-opted by a whole lot of people who truly don't really give a crap about gay liberation or rights or anything, they're using it as a way of salving their conscience or polishing their halo.Douglas Murray thinks it's because, I'm not sure he's right about this, but he says after 2008, when all the banks absolutely screwed the world economy, the cheapest thing for them to do, to polish their credentials, was to come out as pro-gay. So whether that's true or not, I don't know. I met Stuart, in fact going back to the thing about the gay support groups and stuff, when I first came to London.The first thing I did actually was find, it was called Icebreakers, I think it was called.And it was just a small group of gay people in London that you could go along on one evening a week and get a level of support.Now, I'd come up to London from Sussex, and I didn't have any knowledge about this.I knew that I was probably gay, but I didn't really know how to express that or what it meant.So I went to this thing, and then that's when I met the American guy, and then he went back to America, and then I met Stuart. So that's how that worked out. But back in the day,and of course, we had the whole Section 28 and the whole AIDS thing back then, which changed the flavour of it a lot. Some of the British press were absolutely horrendous. The gay plague, it became, and it didn't help at all, particularly living with somebody who was positive. Stuart was positive nearly all the time we were together and it was incredibly hurtful that you know the don't die of ignorance and the you know the gravestone falling over and sadly we didn't have any politician, Lady Di performed an extraordinary you know positive had a positive image on the whole thing but sadly politicians were horrible and they are now actually I mean the House of Commons now is exactly the same it's compliant it's overall they're one or members obviously speaking out but overall it's compliant, it's weak, it's showing no leadership, it doesn't seem to have a moral compass and it is trashing rights and freedoms that previous generations in this country have fought for really hard and they're just paying it no heed at all.I don't think it's changed much. I think the gay thing is just one issue amongst many that have shown some people up to be less than we hoped. And I would say also, if you imagine when that idiot Springsteen was saying, you can only come to my show if you've been jabbed. Imagine him saying that in 1982, you can only come to my gig if you're HIV negative. We wouldn't tolerate it. Nobody would tolerate it. But for some inexplicable reason, we are tolerating it now. I don't understand.
Tell me about how you see the change happening in where we are now in the whole alphabet soup from gay rights.Was it because people thought actually now there was the same legal rights and protections for the gay community, so it's simply moving on?I mean, surely if you're working for something and you complete it, then you shut up shop.How did, how has that moved over into that? And why did it just not finish off and go on to, I don't know, the right for pets or something? I don't know.
Oh, I think I think a lot of it is to do with people who, as I said earlier, who absolutely need to have a crusade of one kind or another.So in the early days, it was, you know, LGB, then it became LGBT, then it became, you know, it just moves on. And there's a whole group of people within whether it was back in the day, the pink newspaper or or whatever it happens to be, there's there's a group of people whose lives have been defined by the position they've taken. And they won't, they don't want to let it go. You can't, in a way you can't blame them. So when there's, and suddenly there's a trans issue, Oh, we'll stick that in as well. That'll keep us going.Um, and I think that's truthfully, I think that's all it is. I mean, the trans trans rights issue. I, one of the questions I've, my brother and I ask all the time when they talk about trans rights, what rights do they not have? That's what I don't understand. They're not, you know, I wish somebody would tell me I can't do this or I can't do that. I wish somebody would would tell me what rights they don't have, but I have, but we went through a very difficult time when I was with Stuart at the time, and you tend to forget, he worked at BT and was sacked because nobody would touch his computer.We knew people in aerobics classes who wouldn't share mats with anybody else. It was a very, very, very weird time, and I had fag scratched on my car and I was spat out in the street and all that kind of stuff, you know, and it is infinitely better now. I mean, really, the difference is huge. But where it goes,I would hope that the movement, the LGBT blah, blah, blah, would kind of just fizzle out. And like I said earlier, I would be much happier if we just didn't need it, because people were already fully on board with the rights that other people have to lead their lives as they choose.So in a way, the flag and our obsession with the flag and our obsession with these communities such as they are, or whatever, is a sign that we haven't moved on, and in a way you could claim that we're actually going in the wrong direction.Is a straight person likely to be persuaded to be tolerant because they see a disco bunny on the back of a lorry?Personally, I don't think so. I think a lot of this, and it sounds really old-fashioned, but I think it's how you lead your life.And I think if you lead, you have to lead your life as you would other people, as you would wish other people to lead it.And the best way to encourage people to be tolerant and to try and understand it is to be gay or to be whatever you want to be and lead your life in a constructive and tolerant manner, which is why trans movement people shouting and screaming at the top of their voices and gluing themselves to whatever, they want to stop all oil people.That's never going to do it.It's never, ever, ever going to do it. You're going to have to lead by example.That's what you have to do. But sadly, we have a house of commons, which is empty of people capable of leading by example.Tell me about, because we've seen what's happening with another lobby organization, BLM, and how the finance for that seems to be fancy-driven.And then kind of looking into Stonewall and seeing the money that is raised from simply government departments signing up and schools signing up.It seems to have moved away from an issue of rights to simply an ability to generate money and airtime and noise.Is that a fair assessment?
I think it is. Also, I think it's like the SNP. I think it's symptomatic of people who fail to understand the old saying, they know the price of everything but the value of nothing.It's that. And like I said earlier, in terms of the BLM or whatever it is.There was bucket loads of money coming in, and you had some people in that grouping who were impressed by money.They weren't impressed by the campaign or the efforts they were making to achieve more equitable race relations in America, say.Suddenly there's a million pounds in the bank. It's like, oh, wow, this is the way to go.This is brilliant. I'll buy a house.You know, and that's, it's people just, in the same way I'd go back to it.But but the reason so many artists were so quiet during this whole two years, three years, whatever it is, is because of money.They were either paid to come across and flog the jab, which they knew nothing about, or they were quiet because they wanted to make a few quid and do some gigs.That's and that's it's the same old stuff, you know, and I haven't, I don't have any time for it.I don't have any respect for those people. So I've had to take a whole load of acts out of my iPod, sadly.I just can't listen to that stuff.
The whole trans stuff. And I now see a backlash.LGB Alliance, for instance, then standing up against this. And whenever the LG certainly movement was about understanding who you are, and then choosing that, where the T seems to be, well, you can decide over breakfast what you want to be, and you can bet, and that seems to take away from any rights that have been forced, if someone can pick and choose so easily at whim.That T, which seems to be, I would even use the term cancerous, the damage that it seems to have caused, that aggression, and you see trans lobbyists just beating up gay right activists or lesbians, and I think this is bonkers.
It is, it is, I know. I think the trouble is that the original idea of LGB... LGB kind of made sense. And now, because so much stuff has been tacked on, we're being forced to look at it afresh and decide, actually, what is this grouping of people?How real is it? And I don't think back in the day when there was a political campaign to work and to get some satisfaction on Section 28 and all that stuff, I don't think it mattered too much.I think everybody was too busy with that campaign.And now the campaign's over, and so much so that gay men can get married, gay men can, I mean, all those rights are all there now. But some people still need to fight for something.They always do, and tacking the T on, and then tacking the Q on, and all that kind of stuff.It's just a way of keeping this-
And the two spirit, don't forget about that.That is vital.
Yeah, I know, I know. It's just, I mean, to be honest with you, the minute I see that, when I get to Q, I can't be bothered anymore.I just can't, I don't care, I don't care who all those people are.I don't, it doesn't interest me in the slightest. And I think, I remember with Stuart on a couple of occasions, I'm remember saying to Stuart, I said, if you're in love with somebody, being gay is as fantastic and as amazing as being straight and being in love with somebody, there is no difference.I would have taken a bullet for Stuart, absolutely. I was never in any doubt about that.And that is what it is. And in a way, it's trivialized by this weird kind of faux politicking.Even the expression gay pride is nonsensical.You can't take pride in your shoe size. You can't take pride in your hair colour or anything else.You take pride in what you've achieved. you haven't achieved being gay, you just are.So pride in itself is a nonsense. It's linguistic rubbish. And I don't have any time for rubbish. Life's too short.
It was said, I think Jordan Peterson put up an image of Satan falling from heaven, and it was, pride comes before a fall.And it's weird, because as a Christian, that's how I see it. Pride being something negative, being one of the seven deadly sins, and now its celebrated. I was scratching my head, thinking, how did we get here?
Yeah, exactly. No, I've never, I mean, I understand a no shame day.I get that. There's nothing shameful about being gay, but being proud of it, I mean, if you make a little cabinet out of wood, then you'll really, you'll be proud of it.This is, I've made this. This is great, you know, but being proud of being me, just what I am, I just, I'm proud of the records. I'm proud of song writing, things we've achieved, but not simply stuff that I'm, that I've genetically been given.It doesn't, that I'd had nothing to do with.That doesn't seem to be sensible to me. It's interesting you should say that.Andrew Lawrence was saying the other day that Pride Month is very greedy, because it's a whole month.It's really greedy, isn't it? So you've got greed, then you've got pride, as you say, two of the deadly sins right in there.It's, I don't know, it just never, the 2 million, I mean, on Armistice Day, what do they do, get three minutes?And we get a month, really? You know, it's nonsense.It's a complete and utter, it's tokenistic politicking of the most crass kind.I just don't have anything to do with it. If anything, we should have a month of remembrance for the guys who sacrificed their lives in the First and Second World War, or whatever.And a three-minute silence for pride. Pride three minutes or no shame three minutes, whatever you want to call it. But a month, come on, it's self-aggrandizement of the most awful kind. I just don't get it.
What are your... you mentioned Stonewall and you mentioned Stuart who worked for them back in the days and how do you,My big issue with Stonewall and maybe similar organizations is the push to bring something which I don't think should be brought into schools. I think there's one thing having a public conversation and having that out, but when you bring something in schools, especially with little parental engagement and conversation, it seems to cross a line.I mean, what? Yeah, because when you go into most schools, you see the rainbow up for this month, and you think, is that really part of what education is about?
No, no, it's what propaganda is about.It's nothing to do with education.The other thing, the two things I think, that first of all, there's a kind of a reluctance to believe in innocence, which I think children have.And I don't think it's adults' job or business to try and corrupt that at all.I think we should allow kids to be as innocent for as long as possible.Adult life is absolutely hellish. Who wants to encourage them to become an adult any sooner than they have to.And the other thing I think is that this MAPS thing, which I've seen conflated with the LGBT thing, is really, really, really disgraceful.It certainly doesn't do the gay movement, whatever you want to call it, any favours.It speaks to a kind of perversion and ignorance. The power relationship between children and adults is a reality.And when adults deceive themselves into thinking that it's possible for a child to love an adult or an adult to love a child, it's complete and utter nonsense.It's also disrespectful. And also the journey that I made from being a child, working my way through to knowing who I am was my journey.That's my journey. I don't want anybody else to take it away from me.I don't want some twerking idiot in my primary school when I was a kid taking away my journey.It's mine. I think in a funny kind of way we're stealing something from people to find their own route. And once again, it's reminiscent of the fat jab that we're now looking at with the NHS. It's removing from people any sense of self-reliance, any sense of self-responsibility. Let the state do it. I'm going to have 12 burgers tonight because tomorrow I'm getting a jab. You know, it's nonsense. The whole thing is nonsense and, under a so-called conservative government it's quite bizarre. But I agree with you. I thinkthe school thing is very worrying. If I had kids I would probably do home-schooling or I'd find and a school set up outside of the main curriculum where there was more parental control.Not control necessarily, but information, more understanding.And we know a charity on the South Coast, HOPE, H-O-P-E, and their thing is about teaching in a much more holistic way and not propagandizing the whole time.And they are snowed under with interest from parents. So there is a market for this.And as we saw with Mulvaney, and as we saw with Target, and all these other, you know, there is a pushback against this nonsense gradually.What I don't understand is, as somebody quite rightly pointed out, when it comes to people talking, you know, the drag queens talking to children, why don't they read stories to elderly people?
Yeah.That's true.
I wonder why. Yeah. Yeah, it's worrying, I think.
Just to finish off on, can I, you talked about it fizzling out what we've seen with the many letters of the alphabet. That couldhappen. My other concern is that it will build up a lot of anger with many people who say this isn't right and depending on how as more and more letters get added onto it, and you obviously talk about minor attracted person and that, and people will get more and more angry and it could flare up and I'm kind ofhoping that it does fizzle out but my concern is that actually it keeps ramping up and you have an overspill of anger against it.
Yes I think that's trueI think it's also very damaging, some of this is very damaging to the efforts that gay homosexual people have to live a normal life. It's politicizing what shouldn't be politicized in the first place.
I would like it, like you, I would like it to fizzle out. I don't know whether I agree with you about it getting ramped up.I honestly don't know about that. But what I do think is that we have in this country at the moment some incredibly stupid politicians who do not understand.
Some?
Who do not understand the importance of culture and tribe and all that stuff.And having the importance of a moral compass, the importance of understanding what's changing in this country and how to manage it, they're just letting it rip.So I think schooling is a really big issue with the gay community.I think gay people need to think long and hard about what they actually want.What do we actually want? Do we want to be pantomime dames?Do we want to be on the back of a lorry with a feather boa, shouting and screaming at people who are just taking cameras and stuff? It's all terribly funny.Do we really want to be, I think Missouri in America with a guy with his trousers around his back, having his backside whipped by somebody, I mean, it's absurd.It's absurd. So we need to, frankly, we need to grow up.That's why I think it needs to happen. I think just if you want to put it in blatant sort of silly, a very sort of pithy expression. We need to grow up. We need to see that all that stuff is fine.It's absolutely fine. But it's not what we are. It's not the whole. It's by no means the whole story. It's one tiny part of the whole story. I've got two friends married, two guys married up in the north country and they've got a B&B and they run their lives and they're just two guys.They don't saunter down the road like Sam Smith in stilettos and sparkling knickers and all that stuff. They're just two blokes. And I think we need to grow up and stop being quite so impressed with ourselves, you know?Richard, thanks for coming on. It's insightful, certainly from my point of view, to have your thoughts on what we're seeing.So thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts on The Madness of Pride.
Thank you. Thanks Peter.
I'm just saying what you provided one of the most surreal moments, certainly of this year, maybe longer.And that was with you, with Nigel Farage on GB News, Nigel beginning to take his shirt off, dancing to I'm Too Sexy.That probably was one of the most surreal images of the year.So thank you for providing that.
Nigel's good, he's got a good sense of humour, Nigel. I like him.
Wonderful.So the viewers can make sure go to rightsaidfred.com, take advantage of all the merchandise that you see there.And what Plastichead have done is phenomenal. And you'll not be short of anything.And maybe Richard and Fred will get some of those, the B roll stuff that they have hidden away that they did. Maybe that'll come out later as special.But thank you, Richard, for your time.
It's a pleasure, Peter.

Alex Jones - America Destroyed By Design #AlexJonesWasRight

Show-Notes and Transcript: Alex Jones - America Destroyed By Design #AlexJonesWasRight
For over 25 years Alex Jones has built up InfoWars, a news organisation that strikes fear into the heart of the establishment. He has never backed down or followed anyone else's path and in 1998, in his first documentary called 'America Destroyed by Design', Alex laid out the threats to America.He showed the public how Communist China, The Bilderbergs and the Trilateral Commission were the enemy. Five years ago Big Tech tried to finish Alex off, yet all they have done is make him the force he is today.An absolute honour for him to join us at Hearts of Oak, enjoy and please share.
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(Hearts of Oak)Hearts of Oak. Thank you so much for your time.
(Alex Jones)
Thanks for having me.
Not at all.
We'll just jump in. It's, look, it's been nearly 25 years since you started InfoWars, and I wonder what moved you? I mean, what was your assessment of what was available and why did you decide to actually start something?
Well, Wikipedia says InfoWars started in 1999. That's not true.I got the website in 1997, but it says it was registered in 99. That's not right.I got on air in 94 on local access TV as a guest on shows, and then I got my own show in 95 and got a local radio show in 97.I got syndicated in 98, and I just I was aware of what was going on in the world.I had read a lot of books about the new world order and globalism because family had given them to me that were informed.So I was kind of fast-tracked to know what was coming. And then I saw what family had warned me about when I was young, actually all over the place.So I began to research, not just the books written by the John Birch Society and people like Barry Goldwater.But I started reading stuff by Anthony Sutton, who was the top archivist at Congress.Then I started actually reading the books he recommended written by the bad guys, like the Georgetown mentor and political science professor, Carol Quigley, who wrote Tragedy and Hope.So when I was about 18, I read that 1100 page book that described the entire way they control the world.And how US intelligence emerged, the British intelligence after World War II, now they were establishing a planetary government and what they wanted to do and how they wanted to break up the family and basically create a form of communism for the public but robber baron fascism at the top for the big corporations, and and really like the 1970s movie Rollerball where there's a corporate elite that rule the planet and they are above the law, And even if you're a champion Rollerballer like James Caan is, the executive wants his wife just to execute the power and takes her and she has to marry him and there are no nation states in the future, there's only, megacities, which the globalists say they're going to end the nation-state and only create these city-states, like we see with the Vatican or the city of London inside London or Israel.That's really the model, or what they're setting up in Saudi Arabia, they call The Line.They're setting up several other sovereign cities within Saudi Arabia.So that's really the model where they're all exempt, we're all made poor, and then a big UN World Peace Force controls things, we're all disarmed.It's really a dystopic system they're establishing and building.So I learned about it when I was young. It was kind of background noise.But then by the time I got out of high school and saw it actually happening.Then I decided to make it my life's destiny to fight these people.And I really innately believe in humanity, was betting on humanity, that this was the next big authoritarian, totalitarian threat to humanity.And I knew that communism and Nazism have been spinoffs of this very group in their own writings.And so I really felt threatened by it and a sense of destiny that I was going to battle them, because I could see what they wrote about in the 50s was done by the 70s.What they wrote about the 70s was completed by the 90s.And so I was sitting there in the 90s reading their horrible plans for Agenda 2020, which they basicallyalmost got done but are a little bit behind, maybe five ten percent behind, but they basically got most of what they wanted very ambitious strategy by 2020, then I of course saw their Agenda 2030 program that is just absolutely like beyond Hitlerian, you've got the WEF head spokesman saying you're useless eaters quoting Hitler.But it's okay because he's Jewish. Which is just totally bizarre and just the future is not human, Cyborgs will rule by 2047.You will eat bugs, you will like it. We won't have cities, we'll have communes by 2030.We're gonna depopulate you by 90%.I mean, I shudder to think how they're gonna try to get their goal by 2030.Their program is falling apart, they're behind schedule, but they only accelerated each time they get behind.And when faced with such a dystopian movement, the average person has a learned helplessness, a normalcy bias, kind of a Stockholm syndrome thing where people just go, this can't be real.I'm just choosing not believe this. But I will assure you, ladies and gentlemen, all you gotta do is watch a WEF event or read their transcripts.And when you read it, it's so diabolical, it's so Lex Luthor that it's hard to fathom it.But it's hard to believe that World War II happened and that 25 million Russians died and 24 million Germans died and that Hitler ran around and killed tens of millions of people.I mean, it's just, but it happened.And we've lived in the West, kind of sheltered by the Renaissance and by the fumes of Christianity.But those fumes have now run low and the fires of liberty have gone out and tyranny is exploding again.But historically, once the tyranny explodes and lifts its ugly head, there's always a Renaissance against it. So we are in a do or die situation right now.
Well, I watched America Destroyed by Design quite a while ago and then had re-watched it, and it actually intrigued me that you were calling out the Communist China.You're also calling out the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg's.I mean, how has it taken like a decade after at least for most conservative voices to actually understand that China is a threat and even just more recently the Trilateral Commission, which isn't really on anyone's radar?Well, you're right. I mean, if you look at the Trilateral Commission and the CFR, the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Politburo of China.There's a couple hundred men.And a few women that run the planet and they're Europeans and they're Asian. And there's a few Latin Americans and a few Africans, but it's mainly European and and Asian.And they are a eugenics cult and they want a lot of such technology and they do not believe in the public having a future and they're extremely dystopic, I mean they believe in a dystopic program for humanity. They believe in collapsing civilization, and then using that reorganization to launch a new form of civilization, a technocracy after that.And I can see their elitist point. It was a lot of aimless people, and there's a lot of resources getting used.But who puts them in charge of making those decisions? And I think the public should be told this is happening to them, that sperm counts are down 90%, that they're knowingly allowing industrial chemicals into the food chain that do give us cancer and do make us infertile, and that they brag about how they did that.So they put Trojan horses, not just in the cell phones to listen to us and track us, they've got Trojan horses in the GMO crops to sterilize us.And it's not just that it's, but not, you know, they're not just neglecting us.They are doing this by design.As you talk about the Trilateral Commission set up by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller in the mid 1970s, it was a super management group basically like a finance arm of the Bilderberg group.Which is the very top, basically the same members, to then coordinate the round table groups below them to a better level.So absolutely, the Trilateral Commission is right at the top.But again, if you see who's on the National Security Council of Countries, if you see who's on the UN Security Council, you see who's, you know, the heads of the central banks, literally, it's a couple hundred people.And then on the steering committees, it's about 20. So, Campbell wrote the book.The committee of 300, it's a Campbell. I've interviewed him many times, my brain. I'm tired today. But that was the old name of the British East India Company, Corporate management. So when I talk about it being a UK based thing, it's not, it's not an Anglophile or an Anglophobe thing. It's not the British that run it. It's not even King Charles it's just that management system of covert corporate control with interlocking corporate directorates, then controlling government militaries is the model and the centre of the wheel of the management directive and directorate.And so that's what it is. It's the British empire merged with the US empire.But not to make the empire for freedom or the people, it exploits the people of North America, exploits the people of the UK, exploits the people of Australia and Canada and everywhere.And it is a system that is in competition with the Renaissance and with productivity and with Christianity, real Christianity, not corporate Christianity.And so that's why it's at war and has to bring down the first world.They're not bringing down the first world to raise the third world.They're lowering the first world so people never aspire to that again.And so the third world goes down, the old world goes down, we all collapse on each other.And then the city states will then take on themselves high-tech breakaway civilization that only operates just like the Hunger Games books, which again, is based on what they really wanna build, where you have these high-tech regions, high-tech systems, and then everybody else is kept in squalor.Well, some of the organizations more recently, the WEF and the WHO, they seem to be blatant in what they want to do, it's not hidden. When you were doing this 25 years ago, it was hidden.You were exposing what they didn't want to expose. Now, they televise some of the WHO stuff. It is out there.And now full movement towards restricting travel with vaccine passports in the next year.How has that moved away from that being blatant and open from being hidden?
Well, that's what's so frustrating about this is,I was just successful at getting this out to a large audience. I certainly did not develop much of the research. I mean, I've gone out and covered things myself and done, and you've gotten the latest info, but I, I mean, there was a hardcore group of people around the world, mainly who'd worked in military and intelligence, who was read into this and, decided to say, I'm not gonna be part of this. Like both sides of my family, you know, had people that were working in the military and intelligence. And that's who I first heard about all this from when I was a small child.And then it was just background noise. So, the fact that I knew about this, and then they would deny it existed and say, I made it all up.And Alex Jones is the guy that came up with this, as you know, been a narrative for many years.But really what's happening is there comes a point that they have to emerge.And so they're building it behind the scaffolding. You ever seen a big ship get launched?They'll have big doors or a big curtain.They're building the ship behind that. And then finally, the day to launch the ship comes and they pull back the giant curtains and here's this huge, beautiful ship, slides off the blocks into the ocean.And then they break some champagne on the bow of it.And so in the last decade, really, they pulled back the curtain, showed us the ship and said, but it's good.So we were telling them they're building a ship behind there for tyranny, they're building world government, they're gonna bring up the family, cut the resources off. They're going to take your guns. They're going to beat your GMO. They're going to fry you with 5G.They're going to, we're reading all their plans because we're behind the curtain.And then they realize at a certain point.Toto can pull back the curtain if they kept denying it while it's out in the open that would just give us more credibility. So they passed the Rubicon where they censor and attack and demonize those of us that are critical of the global government. But at the same time unveil it and roll it out as if it's something good and the answer to all the problems that they help create and so we've gone from the mask being on to the emergence. It's kind of like in World War II.Submarines would run out of torpedoes really quick but they had their deck gun to sink ships with so the Germans particularly would be out there on a big mission. They already sunk a bunch of ships, already used their 10 torpedoes, but there's more ships to blow up, more ships to sink.They gotta rise up and use the deck gun to sink the ships. And so that's what they've done, is the submarine has emerged and is shooting at us right now, and saying it's shooting at us, and saying to the intelligent people, resistance is futile, you better roll over right now, nobody can stop us, the future's not human, you better join us.And a lot of people are going, whoa, this is real, what do I do to get on board?And then a lot of other people that were asleep just go, eh, nothing you can do.And then those of us that knew we could stop it are saying, see, we warned you.But it doesn't take a majority to stop this.If anything, when you read Yuval Noah Harari, who's the high priest of these guys, and Ray Kurzweil and these guys, and Prince Charles, who's King Charles now, and Klaus Schwab, I mean, I've read their books, I've read their writings, not just their speeches.They are maniacs. I mean, they are, we are invincible. Humans are gonna live forever.We're about to be Gods, but first we've got to get rid of the general public.And what we're doing is beautiful work, and we're so amazing.Yeah, Hitler had his thousand-year Reich, and look how long it lasted.So they are purposely trying to invoke mass Stockholm syndrome in us by pushing this giant utopia that really is a dystopia.So they're telling us all the dystopia happening is because we haven't submitted their plan.But you can pull back and see the dystopias coming from them.They say global warming's why we had the virus.Not it came from a lab. And more viruses are coming because we're in the jungles. Oh! You know, oh my gosh, uh, the third world because of global warming is coming here not from two years of lockdowns and mass starvation.And a big international gallop poll of the migrants. It was 10 000. They did just a few months ago 90 some percent said we've been locked down for years. The farms and ranches are closed. The factories are closed There's no food. We have to come here and the UN organized us in our respective countries to come here. So the UN turns your food off, locks you up, shuts you down and then organizes you to then invade the first world, where they're now clients of this group that's just been brought in.This has all been battle-gamed, war-gamed, actuaried.And if we just admit it's happening, and admit it's going on and stop living in denial, we can then organize, get control of local governments, then national governments and stop this.But if we don't, it is the design collapse of all the nation states, huge wars, controlled viral releases to bring in tyranny, safe zone cities that are self-sufficient and locked down during viral attacks, While they're in the cities, it's wink, wink, you wanna be in the city because you can even be in a rural place.They're gonna fly over with a drone and nerve gas you and say it was the virus.And I mean, I've seen the plans. I've seen some of these classified plans, they reclassified about their drone attack plans.They can fly over with synthetic opiates that kill you dead in a hammer, that dissipate in just a week or so. And so it's only gonna be people that are in these compact mega cities that are gonna be protected, but they themselves are gonna be under an authoritarian control as well.So they're gonna panic all the money to run into these compact cities.These city-states, while it's road war on the outside and the rest of us get wiped out. That's their plan.
Well, you've set out what we face. In the midst of that, you have built something huge and your name is far and wide. I mean, the only other person I know who does four hours a day is Steve Bannon.I mean, tell us how you've grown that through blood, sweat and tears to be the voice of reason worldwide that it is now.I mean, how's that? Yeah, tell us about that.
Well, I mean, look, I've been on the air since 1994, and it was all knowing this was real.Because again, they didn't make a big deal about it. They were all very humble, very polite people.But I just was so blessed to grow up around people that, my mom's dad, my grandfather was a World War II vet and Army Air Corps, and then worked for the oil companies, but also so, worked with some inventors on secret weapon projects for the Pentagon. And then, like I said, his son was, you know, high level on all this. And then, my dad's had a family, which family was like that. So I was just really, really, really, really blessed. And they were Patriots and, and they didn't like the way it was going. So I'm sitting around the, you know, the dinner table. I'm three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years old.By the time I was like 12 or 13, they didn't really talk about the stuff in front of me because, you know, this is all secret stuff they were talking about, but like, kids aren't kids are not listening. So I was knee high to a grasshopper, you know, listening to all this stuff and just being blown away by it.And then I kind of became a teenager and chase girls and kind of forgot about it.And then I went to community college, decided I wanted to go to college.And it was all just America's horrible. Communism's good. We're going to get your guns. White people are bad. I'm like, well, this is everything I got warned about. I was like, I better do something about this. And so that was it. And then I just like, Oh, access TV is a place. Cause I try to get jobs in radio and they said no.And I tried to send in tapes of me doing a show. And I mean, this one I'm like 18, 19 and it didn't discourage me.And I remember when I was 18, I sent, they were having a contest to hire a new talk show host.So ended up hiring Jeff Ward, former NFL kicker, friend of mine now and I'm 18.And, or 19, I guess it was about 18. They had a contest, because they'd gotten rid of their other talk show host.In fact, the new company bought it, they fired everybody, or most of the people.And they said, send in your tapes. And so they would sit there and play like five minutes of a tape, of somebody being a talk show host.And they played mine, and the guy said, you want to be in show business, Alex Jones, you'll never be in show business.And of course, that guy that was there doing it, he had come in to run the contest, but he wanted the job, he didn't get it, which was funny.But, and then I'm sitting there watching Access TV, and I'm watching a documentary for the John Byrd society.And I'm like, I've heard every bit of this. And they're playing like Welch tapes and, you know, Senator tapes and stuff out of Congress.And there were people re-airing the Iran-Contra hearings with Oliver North and all this stuff.So I just got fascinated at like 19 on Access TV.And I said, because Access TV started here in Austin. It had three channels.It had all these leftist professors too that were like old time left.So they were putting on documentaries about the CIA and Vietnam and the New World Order and Kennedy assassination.So I'm sitting there, I mean, it was like half the stuff on the channel.It was either old women doing aerobics and like churches or gardening shows.They had some comedy shows too.Or it was like, it was probably 30, 40% conspiracy. And it was the best stuff there was.It was all like real.It wasn't UFOs and Bigfoot. It was like, you know, just everything. And so I sat there and watched that in between jobs.I had, I sat there and watched Access TV for about two years. And then I went, wait a minute, I'm trying to get jobs at radio stations. And I'd gone down to community college and the RTF they were teaching radio television film, was like 20 years old, It was like a joke. So I knew that was worthless. I went to the UT media department. It was even more worthless, So I said I'm not going to go here to learn this so I said I'm going to go do Access TV, but I'm kind of spending 10 minutes on the history, but it is fascinating. That was all able to happen.So here we are today, and we went through this process of being censored and then really attacking us and suing us and writing court cases against us.And it's kind of like in the winter, they say if you cut back rose bushes down to nothing, they come back three times bigger in the spring.And so it wasn't fun having our arms cut off and put through all this.And then it's come out in Congress. I mean, they turned the CIA loose on us, Justice Department, dirty tricks. I mean, it was just, it was really amazing.It was kind of entertaining.And so the education I've gotten the last five years with all that deep state stuff was very interesting.And then because we're still here, and then now everybody can see what we warned of is coming true, exactly as we said, it has really hit a zeitgeist that I don't deserve.It's because it's so, it's not due to my intelligence or any of that, that I just was in the right place at the right time my whole life.And I see God working through me to be at this position that I'm now at.And I see any way they slice it, they're gonna lose.Now, will there be a nuclear war in the process? Will a lot of us have to die?Yeah, the path we're on is very destructive, but at the end, I can assure the globalists, and I'm sure they've really studied this, there's no way they're gonna survive in their bunkers while they release a bioweapon and kill everybody. and there's no way they're going to get away with a nuclear war and then survive in their bunkers. I mean an example is, Mark Zuckerberg. I was just in Kauai for two weeks. I rarely take off that long, but I had to I just had to relax.And the locals and construction companies were rolling out the red carpet when I was there and people were coming to the hotel I was at here and I was there and they were like major construction companies and look at the photos and look I don't care if I signed it on disclosure. You need to know, he's building a submarine base and here's photos. They've got like these big bubble tents as big as football fields over the property with dump trucks going in and out and underground bases and all this stuff.And of course, I know the history of Kauai. It's like Cheyenne Mountain in the Pacific.It's got anti-ballistic missile systems. It's got nukes on it.It's got particle beams to shoot down, you know, stuff in the space program.I mean, and it's got a big underground mountain and Edward Snowden was there and, you know, you watch the movie Snowden, he's under those mountains right there.That's what's going on. Of course, no one even really pays attention or knows it.Most of the locals don't even know there's a giant secret military base under there.But here's the locals just all saying, screw him.And because he tried to steal a bunch of native land and stuff, then I went and looked it up and sure enough, he can't hide it. It's all on record.But how does he think building a big underground bunker is going to protect him if a, if a plague gets released and it's killing, say half the population, or, or if there's, if there's an end to civilization, he is a hated person.And I know he's got robots and a lot of stuff there, a lot of robot drones and things, but I'm not threatening Mark Zuckerberg.I wish you no harm.I'm just saying, how do they think armoured redoubts in New Zealand or armoured redoubts in Tasmania of all places, or, or, or armoured redoubts in Kauai, or a lot of the smarter ones are setting up stuff, right by the tree line and the, up by the Arctic in Northern Canada, we're talking, you know, an hour by jet, even a small town.Okay. So, and I mean, they're, they are busy, busy, busy, hiding in the middle of nowhere.And they've got research, a lot of stuff's in northern Canada. And I know people that have been there, And because again, they don't think people talk, they're flying in the women. They're flying in the entertainment They're flying in the food And they think, take Larry Page. He won't set foot in a country now. He's out on these big giant yachts, that owns islands, you know in the in the South Pacific everything. I mean, I was told this by, one of his deputy directors, 16, 17 years ago. I talked about it all the time for James Cameron.And they're like, you know why James Cameron is out finding Titanic stuff and has these fleets of big ships?And he lives in New Zealand now. He knows what's coming, the collapse of civilization, whether it's engineered or not.And the only safe place they think will be out on ships.Well, that's why they had big articles out this week about floating cities for the elites and in the future.So they've sucked things dry, dumb people down, cut off resources, and now have put themselves in a trap, of thinking they're gonna be in control of this collapse, and they even think it's too late now.So if Elon Musk has done anything, he believes he can turn it around.Whether he's for them or not, or whether he's an opportunist, or whether he sees their weak and wants to be the saviour, like Trump does, whatever's really in his heart.Whether he's Satan's champion or not.You know, as he said he was on Halloween.The issue is, he's saying we need to have 2.2 kids. We need fossil fuels to even make electric cars. Once you stop promoting fuel exploration, there won't be enough fuel to make the jump into the new technologies, which the actuaries are there. So he's being very honest. And I think it kind of pearls before swine with the establishment itself, because, they've already decided stuff's dystopic and, uh, they've already decided to try to ride this tiger. But if you really pull back, they're now starting to kind of go, wait. Maybe we should tap the brakes a little bit on this.Maybe this isn't as controllable as we once thought.
Can I just, we're finishing, can I ask you one point, economic point, we're seeing the boycotts.
No, no, I came on late. I can do 10 more minutes if you want, brother.
So the boycotts of Bud Light, of Target, of Wickes, and I'm wondering, are we seeing a wake up of conservatives realizing they have economic power?What you said is absolutely true, and I should have started the whole interview saying, buycotts are powerful and boycotts are powerful.The SEGs, the UN control, the social credit score is a corporate government boycott of you and your freedom, and punishing you for not behaving the way they want.But we have the power still before they shut down the local economy, which they're trying to do, the Amish, the truck farms, the farmer's markets.The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, as the Chinese say.We've got to start building new economies. We've got to start building local economies.We got to go to the thrift store instead of the big box store.It doesn't mean we don't go to the big box store sometimes, but more and more supporting local communities, supporting local restaurants, local hotels, local infrastructure is absolutely critical in this fight.And so, yes, you see the SEGs or the ESGs, both the ESGs with BlackRock and BlackRock losing close to a trillion dollars last year of investor and state pension funds funding.So they pulled back last December and said, we're not going tosupport ESG's anymore, but then all the companies they fund by the thousands, they got more aggressive, people saw through that.And Larry Fink of BlackRock just said a week ago or two weeks ago, he said.We're going to control you with money and ESG's are going to run your life.So we have to understand they've got their big corporate centralized power, but only the power we give them.So pull your money out of them, put it in local independent things, and then support independent media, support independent farming, support independent manufacturers, support independent mom and pops. Big box is the enemy.And obviously, if you want to fly across the world, you got to go with a big airline.And obviously, if you want to, you know, there's the times you're going to have to pay the tithe to the enemy.But as much as you can pull back from them, and as much as you can put pressure on the the big corporations, because so many of them aren't fully controlled by the globalists.They just let the globalists dictate things because they see the globalist threat of boycotting them or harassing them or investigating them as bigger than the threat from you boycotting them.But we're seeing this all over the place. The Dodgers stadium.I was going to have, and I've seen this group online. They're all over the country where they simulate sex and urinating on the cross and it's it's true black magic, you know rituals. That's what they do. They they desecrate icons, And they were going to have this group of men saying they're quote 'women and nuns', do this, and dodger stadium was going to have them in the halftime show, or during a break doing it and honour them, instead they waited five hours before the thing was open, before the gates was open, let them in to do it and hope people didn't pay attention.But still, the boycott's massive.So that was going to be front and centre. Now it's not.Target's lost tens of billions, Anheuser-Busch has lost 24 billion.But you notice, as soon as those companies were in trouble, other companies stampeded, to be demonized because they want going into the future, the best ESG scores.Yes, the buycott, who you support and the boycott is still our ace in the hole.And people need to realize we have it and they need to use it.On your, that they haven't killed you off. You talked about censorship 2018.I think it was where every company, one after the other, just took you off, tried to remove you.I mean, I've read that you are actually appealing to a younger demographic.And it's not the traditional older conservative market, but actually your appeal is spreading.I mean, is that a reason why they haven't managed to kill you off?That's a complex question, and I don't really have all the answers, but here's what I know.Anything that they're trying to censor, people then have a Streisand effect and want to, fine.Some days my shows are great, really informative, other days they're just okay. I'm not the end-all be-all, but because they tried to make me enemy number one, that had a major blowback, effect on them. But because we started off on Access TV and talk radio, and because we were always happened to have our own infrastructure.We had to build this. So we were one of the few groups that had an infrastructure when they got censored and shut down.And so because of that, we had a great effect. And I should remember when I do interviews or point out, a lot of folks don't know we're on air. They see clips everywhere and say, that guy's still there?And I'm getting tens of millions of views a day with clips that people decide to upload.That's really the power of the people. It's not my power, it's their power.I'm an imperfect vessel and just delivering the information.But really the ball is in the people's court, but infowars.com bannedvideo, I'm on the air weekdays, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m.Everything's archived at banned.video.It takes a lot of money to run the infrastructure, satellite uplinks, you name it.So we've got one foot in old media, cable TV, local radio stations, TV stations, got quite a few.We don't publish those stations because they get harassed. And then we're still on global shortwave, at least for the time being, and that has quite an audience.And then we're, you know, on all the new platforms and all the new systems and rumble everywhere else.And then people understand it's a revolutionary act to go into enemy territory and take clips of the show and go put it on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and, uh, TikTok, you name it.And we haven't reached our peak, in 2016 when we had conservatively, I mean, 50 million people a day, we're either tuning into the show or watching a clip.But we've come back, I'd say, to 15, 20 million a day, and it's going straight up.So, that's the people, that's their excitement and you know, going out and finding where I said something 20 years ago and then showing a clip of the news today. And that's what's great is I never saved all my old tapes I never you know, stuff got put in storage facilities and got hot and it was bad. So we threw it out. I mean I didn't, I've been firing and forgetting so I can't even find my original bohemian grove tapes. Who knows where they're at?But so many other people recorded us on VHS or saved it on DVD or saved it on a hard drive. That now there's this whole renaissance of Alex Jones clips and my guests.I mean, it's not just me, I'm a small part of it. It's all the great guests and so many of them are dead now.I mean, all these amazing people that fought tyranny in such an incredible way.You know, Jordan Maxwell and Anthony Hilderst and Jerry Rivers still alive, but you know, they're not doing a lot of media now.And Ted Gunderson and just the list goes on and on and on.And Charlotte Isserby and Phyllis Schlafly. I mean, just hundreds of people.Jack McClann that are dead now, but they live on.And I get a big thrill when somebody sends me, cause I don't really track this, but friends and family, people send me links all the time. So I'm like, hey, look at this.You and Jack McClann, 500,000 views on YouTube.And it's predicting the police state and the cashless society like 20 years ago.And we're like, Oh, you know, here's this clip of you talking about the paedophile rings.And one day they'll have marches in the street, coming to take your kids.And then it's from like 15 years ago. And then, and it's got a million views.And it's just like that, the exciting part is that, is that all these people now are saying, let me check my hard drive, Alex Jones on there?Or, and again, it's not just me. They're finding all these other trailblazers like Ron Paul and others that predicted what was going on and they're carrying the ball down the field.And I just want to say this to viewers.We don't want to be in a position though where they've released a new plague and it doesn't kill one tenth of one percent, it kills 20 percent and the power is going off and there's troops in the street and robot drones flying around and people go, oh my god, Alex Jones was right.I don't want people, you know, when the total collapse comes going, I don't want to be proven right. I want to stop Agenda 2030.I want to stabilize stuff. I want to get the globalists out of power but stick them on an island like we did Napoleon because here's the deal, I'm a vengeful person and they deserve to be executed after they're tried by a jury of their peers and convicted, but that makes them more dangerous, when you put them in a corner. I really want to offer amnesty to the New World Order and just say, you're going to have your money stripped and your power stripped, and then you're going to be put on house arrest somewhere, or we can pick some place where you want to be. You gotta stop.And I think if we give them an out like that, they may back off.But we've gotta first make, we can't just oppose their globalist plan, their eugenics plan, their transhumanist operation.We have to then propose a better system and an open free market competition, egalitarian system that takes care of the little people, but bases it on competition to make us all stronger from our weakest to our strongest, and that really opens up the technology, opens up the future.But the elite, so-called elite, are threatened by all this new technology and freedom that messes up their monopolies.That's why they wanna control collapse or neo-feudalism to try to get control again.And this is all an exercise of them trying to get control.I say to them, don't you see how your attempt to get control is losing control?I mean, I'll use the analogy with a woman.A woman may think you're the best guy ever, super hot, she wants to date with you, okay?And you can't believe this super hot chick wants to date with you.But she wants you, she's turned on. If you act insecure and push her and act weird and say, are you sure you wanna go out and call her 10 times and do all this, you're not gonna get her.But if you're nice to her and say, hey Kate, I'll see ya, it's all gonna happen.And it's the same thing with the globalists. You're squeezing us, enslaving us, trying to dominate us so that you can stay in power. You're gonna lose everything.And you've already lost, there's no way you're gonna fix this.In fact, we may not be able to fix it.In the end, don't worry, you'll be destroyed and we'll be able to maybe rebuild something, but it might take a hundred years.It'd be much better for you right now to give up. But you can't do that unless you know how they operate, you've done the research, and you address them at that level.And believe me, you address the New World Order at a high level, and they give you a piece of BS, you get them back with five angles, and more than they even understand, they go, okay, well, why aren't you with us? You understand that we're just trying to stabilize things. No, you're not.And so, again, they're not that powerful, folks. If they've tried to hire me 15 times, if they've offered me $100 million dollars on this crap before. They're not that powerful. They're grandparents.[36:39] Grand monopolies, they got fabulously rich, they are all scared, surrounded by a bunch of yes men, and they've got some Carnegie plan to end war by getting rid of men. And then all you see is them getting rid of civilization. I mean, it's just, it's totally uncool. It's not going to work.And we have to develop a plan B to this and then just say, we're not even asking you to join us, we're going to build plan B. And as everything goes to hell, people are going to know it's it's your plan A that didn't work and was bad, they're gonna join us in plan B.So really, I've been thinking of the name of a podcast that I wanted to launch for a while.I really think it's plan B.Because we've got to have a plan B and we can't wait for them to realize that they've screwed up and give up.We have to go ahead and build it now.Alex, I massively appreciate your time. I'm hoping your cat isn't a person of interest still.
Yes, it's my daughter, it's my six-year-old daughter. We had bandit cat, the most awesome cat ever, but it was always getting out and it got run over and my daughter was three and she goes where did bandit go?And I said, honey, he, you know, he must've moved somewhere, moved in with his family.And she said, well, I want another cat.So we got Mushu, I didn't know how magic ragdolls were.I was talking to Joe Rogan about it, well you got ragdolls. He was, oh, they're like dogs, they are super smart.So we get this ragdoll cat, She names it Mushu. I named it worm, he worms around the ground, really cute, huge cat, beautiful, smart. The cat without ever being trained, uses the toilet, One day I walk into the bathroom and I'm sitting there brushing my teeth and I look over in this bathroom, you know stall at my house and the cat is peeing on the toilet. I don't mean to get a little gross, so the cat is like a rocket scientist of cats and yes, they have, the federal courts have questioned about it and they may want to take it in my bankruptcy. So that's a true story.
Well, we'll finish on that, Alex, it's been great having you with us.Thank you for your time today.
God bless you, brother. I appreciate you.

The Week According To . . . Leilani Dowding

Welcome to the latest edition of 'The Week According To' and we have the irrepressible Leilani Dowding back with us as we look at what has caught her eye or rattled her cage in this weeks news, articles and on social media. Up for discussion this episode...- Police to investigate 'hateful behaviour' after several Pride flags are defaced with homophobic graffiti in Gloucestershire.- California Democrats push a bill for 'fertility equality' that "will ensure that queer couples no longer have to pay more out of pocket to start families than non-queer families."- Former head of police watchdog charged with raping child.- Pollution in Oxford spikes as Low Traffic Neighbourhoods blamed.- A poll has shown that a quarter of the population of the UK believe Covid-19 was probably or definitely a hoax.- Is this the end of the road for electric cars?- Margaret Thatcher reminds us that the state has no source of money apart from that which people earn themselves in resurfaced video.- Obese influencer demands for more "inclusive" traveling!  "People with smaller bodies get to pay one fare; and we have to pay two fares"- US Providing $325 Million More in Aid for Ukraine.
Leilani Dowding is a regular contributor to The Mark Steyn Show.Half-Filipina, half-English, she is a former Page Three Girl and was crowned Miss Great Britain in 1998, going on to represent her country in the Miss Universe pageant.Leilani had a starring role in The Real Housewives of Cheshire and has appeared on The Big Breakfast, This Morning, Celebrity Wrestling and in numerous national newspapers.She is a proud 'Freedom Fighting Refusnik' and an unmissable commentator on world affairs, with her stance against tyranny and wokeness, Leilani has found a whole new army of fans.
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Originally broadcast live 17.6.23
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Links to topics discussed this episode....Pride flags https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12204057/Police-investigate-hateful-behaviour-Pride-flags-defaced-Gloucestershire.htmlFertility equalityhttps://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1667909850150453257?s=20Police noncehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/michael-lockwood-rape-charge-police-iopc-b2358787.htmlPollutionhttps://twitter.com/alanvibe/status/1669581599652839425?s=20Conspiracy https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/13/quarter-in-uk-believe-covid-was-a-hoax-poll-on-conspiracy-theories-findsElectric carshttps://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12180805/Its-end-road-troublesome-electric-cars.htmlThatcher VIDEO https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1669429763595816960?s=20Fat flyershttps://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1668710532667301888?s=20Ukrainehttps://www.voanews.com/a/us-providing-325-million-more-in-aid-for-ukraine-/7134105.html

John O’Looney - Excess Deaths, Turbo-Cancer and the Covid Inquiry Sham

Show-notes and Transcript
Great to have John O'Looney back with us to discuss the ongoing effects of the mass jab experiment. John has been in the funeral business for 16 years and his on the ground engagement with bereaved families gives us an insight into excess deaths. He joins us to give an update on what life has been like over the last twelve months. He also shares what he is seeing, and that is an alarming rise in the amount of people dying from cancer, especially younger people. He shares his thoughts on the Covid Inquiry that has just started in Westminster (spoiler...he would call it the Covid cover up or Covid sham). And we touch on his recent suspension from Twitter. John must be the only funeral director banned from Musk's platform of 'Free Speech'! Madness.
John O’Looney has been a funeral director in the UK for over 15 years, and with his family they run a successful business in Milton Keynes.John started noticing things were not right in late November 2019 when he saw a 'blow-up pandemic mortuary' in a local hospital which he was told was set up in preparation for 'something really horrible coming'.In 2021, as the vaccines rolled out, he was witness to a spike of unusual deaths, and while his peers and colleagues in the industry kept quiet, John bravely spoke out and questioned the narrative.MK Family Funeral Services https://www.mkffs.co.uk/about-us
Interview recorded 13.6.23
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Transcript
(Hearts of Oak)
Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with John O'Looney who joins us for the third time. His 16 years as a funeral director, he has an insight on what is happening regarding excess deaths and it's been a year since he was last with us and he gives us an update of what he has seen in the last year. We touch on the many conversations he has with relatives as they come in. He talks about how busy he is, twice as busy as normal, talks about that cancer seems to be behind a lot of it, of course all linked to the jab.What is that about? Something I've been looking at recently. And we discuss why he's being banned on Twitter. Once again, why would a funeral director be banned on Twitter? Something is not right. I thought it was a free speech platform, but hey. And then we look at the COVID inquiry that's just started in Parliament. Supposedly to get to the bottom of everything in, COVID, all the failures, but as John and I discuss, we think it'll just be a whitewash and I know many of you will feel exactly the same. It will not get to the bottom of anything, for if it did, it would find many politicians guilty and charged with massive crimes. I know you'll enjoy listening to John as he speaks truth as he has in over the last three years and is an inspiration to us all on holding to what is true and speaking out regardless of the consequences.Wonderful to have you back with us again. Thank you for your time today.
(John O'Looney)
No problem at all. It's great to be back. Thanks for having me on.
Not at all. It's been a year and I remember vividly a year ago because it was the hottest day of the year. I remember trying to get out of coming to see you, but I'm so glad I came to see you because I got to see where you work. So I remember that well.
Well, seeing is believing and a lot of people have come to the funeral home, you know, just to verify who I am and to give me a hug and to say thank you. And it's been overwhelming. It's It's been lovely.Oh, well, you know, for all the wrong reasons, you know, unfortunately,
I know, I know, but I want to obviously talk to you about your business and some of the issues you've had on that.And we have covered it before, but it's always good to get an update.And obviously at the moment, the COVID inquiries just started, and I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on that.But probably at the beginning I see that you have been suspended on Twitter.You must be the first funeral director to be banned on Twitter.What is it that you do that's so bad?
For one, I don't pull any punches, I'll say it as it is.And unfortunately, honesty is a crime these days that you get punished.And I called for capital punishment for these people, because I think that's the appropriate sentence.So the evidence is overwhelming. The evidence is, there's no doubt in anyone's mind, the Metropolitan Police are not doing their job.Mark Sexton and Peter Highland have presented a rock-solid case of overwhelming evidence.They're not doing their job.They're not pursuing it.The crime is clear.It's crime against humanity. It's genocide. It's democide.They should be taken to Nuremberg, they should be arrested by the police that we pay to uphold the law, they should be taken to Nuremberg, they should be tried with the overwhelming evidence, convicted on that evidence and sentenced with the appropriate sentence for the crimes they've committed. And the appropriate sentence for those crimes is capital punishment is death.And I make no qualms about that, that's what I want to see happen. I live for the opportunity to say, give my testimony in Nuremberg.But you've got a big reach. You obviously have exposed and spoken of what you've seen in your funeral parlour and despite Twitter trying to restrict you, you still have a huge following and your voice, your videos have gone far and wide, haven't they?Yes, yes. I could never initially understand why people engage with me and in the way that they do. I guess it's a combination of the serious nature of what's happened and the desire for truth and answers that they're just not going to get on MSM, you know, mainstream media. And also they know that I'm on the cold face and they know I'm telling the truth. They can look at me and they look in my eyes and they know.I don't have to try and convince them. I'll say as it is and people don't like that, then you need to start shouting about it and start, because only the people are going to save the people. It's no good relying on your police force. They're not going to do anything. I had a police officer in here six, seven days ago who I'm dealing with one of the funerals and openly admitted that the police won't act. They're under instruction because of the public panic it will create. So they're well aware of what's going on. That's what they're being told. The reason is not to pursue these criminals, these disgusting, corrupt, genocidal criminals, because of the public panic it will create when everyone realizes they've been poisoned.Well I think certainly from our point of view why we come to you and why others do is the chaos we face over the last three years and you're someone who understands from a professional point of view and you're legit. I mean just spending time with you there in the funeral parlour a year ago it was really worthwhile and I certainly benefited massively from seeing you and just sitting with you connecting with you and realizing that what you see is what you get and I think people appreciate that.
Yeah 100% I come you know my dad always said to me a couple of things he said, always treat people as you want to be treated you know, and me, what kind of guy would I be knowing what I know if I said nothing I'd be complicit. I'm not prepared to be complicit. I've been offered money, I don't want money. I've never taken in no amount of money, they could offer me 10 million pounds, I'd still tell them where to do one, you know. I'd still happily pull the noose and ......., you know, because these people are monsters. So I can't be bought.I'm not frightened of being honest. And I understand that the consequences of not speaking out are far more serious. And what puzzles me the most, and I've said this many times before, is the stupidity of these people that have taken the money and are going along with the narrative.What do they think the future holds for them? Because our future is their future. I can't believe they're so stupid, you know, what good is the money they've been given, going to be in the world these people have planned for us? Their stupidity is beyond belief, their wickedness is beyond belief and we will prevail, I tell you now, we will prevail. It'll be a very costly affair.But the people responsible will be held accountable and I feel very proud and humbled to be part of that, even at the expense of my own life, I really don't care.Well, John, for the first time in my life, before we go into your industry and then some of the stuff on the COVID inquiry, but for the first time in my life as a healthy 45-year-old, I've kind of thought, and I saw you at Jeff Wyatt's funeral, kind of I came away from that thinking, you know, I'd like someone like John O'Looney to actually look after my body when I pass away.
Do you know the, it's funny because my, well you tend to get a build a template when you do this kind of job and my response to that would be well I don't take youngsters but sadly I've had no choice because our government are actively killing them off, you know, that I'm still seeing and there's only so many times you can say the same story, it is exactly what I said it would be and what it was and we're still seeing way too many people coming in for this time of year should be probably doing half what I'm doing. I'm actually at the stage where I have nearly no room at the inn, you know, that's unheard of for this time of year. What everyone else is doing I really don't know, you'd have to ask other undertakers but they know, they know, I see the looks and they all give me a nod and because they know and they're too frightened to say anything, you know, and I get that but the reality is if they had a had a backbone and they had of spoke out this could have all been finished a long time ago and instead it's going to drag on and lives are going to be lost because they never spoke out.That's the bottom line you know these people have the power to change things and with that power comes a great responsibility and I suspect these people will look back and regret their actions at some point or their inactions whereas I will meet my maker with a clean conscience, and I'm not frightened you know so they can do whatever they want, I don't care, the life of your child is more important than mine. I'm 55, I've had most of my life.How long have you been a funeral undertaker? How long have you worked there?How long have you had the business?
So I'm in my 16th year now. 10 years of that was spent working for the co-op, nearly 10 years. The first five years was really good and then the second five years was just after the bank collapsed and they brought the money men in. It was all about propping the bank up, you know, the bank, debt and the emphasis changed very much I felt, I'd hasten to that's my opinion and to give you an example they used to get the girls to do arranging and it would be I could overhear the conversations the managers would give the girls and it was you know tell them you're going to do the best for their mum and show my best coffin and that kind of thing whereas that's not something I would ever do I don't it doesn't sit well with me trying to get people to spend a thousand pound on a coffin for cremation. So I decided to set up my own business to not operate like that and I've been going six years now and it's really on on the template of treating people the way I want to be treated.If you do that, you haven't got it. And I don't earn anything like the same money, I know when I knocked on doors looking to get in as a funeral director and you see all the Aston Martins sitting outside and the big posh premises and I've got an 11 year old Mondeo.Because it's not about the money. I have to get paid because I've got bills to pay myself, but I'm not a wealthy guy and I would die poor, I suspect, you know, because I'm not very mercenary.I care very much about people and I think, the only way I could say is I reinforce that by putting my arse on the line for people. I'm not prepared. The amount of money that I was offered in an email to give my story as an exclusive and then contractually not talk to anyone else, would have paid my mortgage in then some and I wasn't prepared to do that. I've still got a mortgage and I do wonder if I'll ever pay it now.
Well just to touch on your business for going on Milton Keynes Family Funeral Services and it's a service that we will all need at some point in our lives, before we touch on the COVID stuff. But yeah I mean what is that people can come to you, they can go on the website, the links will be in the description and they can use your services for something that we all require at some point in our lives.
Most definitely, I mean obviously I would say I do get a lot of calls from people, people say you'll ruin your business, If you speak out, it'll ruin your business.It doesn't. People respect your integrity. They see that you actually care about people.There are so many people in this industry who don't really care.They just go through the motions. It's 9 to 5. For me, this is not a job. It's a vocation.Caring about something is not something I ever switch off, be that 3 o'clock in the morning or 1 o'clock on a Sunday morning.You have to get up. You have to go and do it. And you have to care.So I get a lot of people ring up, especially since this last two years of genocide, asking me to look after them, and logistically it's just impossible because they're too far out, you know.Unless they want a Milton Keynes funeral, it's very difficult to do a time in for a funeral in Timbuktu and know that I'm going to get there and not be able to look after 10 other families that I'm looking after.So it's, you know, it's very frustrating wanting to help everyone.And if you operate on that kind of template, it's very successful.So you do get to the stage where you get that crossroads where you think, do I employ?And I don't want to become the very thing that I left in the co-op.I wasn't happy there. It was very toxic. There were a lot of people.How do I get someone to be as enthusiastic and as caring as me and my missus are?They're not. You're going to dilute your level of service. And I'm not looking to build an empire.I'm just looking to look after people come through the door and they're broken.And quite often, people come through the door now they've not only lost someone, they know their loved one's been murdered by the state.You imagine how that feels and to be able to make some sort of difference professionally by giving them a bit of care and compassion, I find it really quite rewarding.
Well, I've been there and I've seen the many cards that you receive, the outpouring of thanks, of gratitude for that support, which you are at a hugely difficult time. I mean, what is that like, kind of going through?
It's humbling, but in honesty, I don't feel like I'm doing anything really special.All I'm doing is caring. Isn't that something we should all be doing for each other, whether it's a child that's fell over and cut their knee, or somebody, a stranger crying at a bus stop, and you stop and say, are you all right, love?You know, why shouldn't we, you know, what's special about caring for people?You know, I lost my dad. He was only 57 when he died.And he had something terrible called motor neurone. So he wasted away and he was all twisted and he couldn't even wipe his arse.And I remember when he died feeling a mixture of grief and relief and then guilt for the relief.How can you be relieved your dad's died?But he was in a condition you wouldn't keep a dog and he'd be the first one to say that.And the reality is he took his own life actually two weeks before he would probably would have died anyway.He was knackered, bless him. So I kind of know that pain and then you can relate to that. That's why I think it's very hard for young people to get in the industry for example, because they've got no life experience of that kind of scenario so it's difficult then to relate to someone and be able to know what they want to hear and be able because you've never had that life experience. That said I would urge any youngster looking for a job for life, if you're excuse the pun, to get into the funeral industry. You know the co-op and a firm called Dignity are good, they're big players in the industry and they're a good place to get a foot in the door to get experience and then to go and set up on your own because really the end game is go and work for yourself and I'm not talking about financially but to be able to do it the way you want to do it where it's not all about sales and funeral numbers. It's not funeral numbers, it's mum, it's dad, it's a child, it's a son, it's a daughter, it's so much more than a funeral number.Tell us, you were one of the, certainly the first that I came across, that as a funeral director spoke out at what they were seeing, the excess deaths, what you were finding in people's arteries.In effect, you were a whistle-blower and kind of working in Parliament, I've seen that term whistle-blower being used and the protection that gives or should give. How did you feel?Did you feel any protection as you spoke out?
No, not really. I guess, I mean, people have suggested to me that to keep talking protects me.I never really spoke out considering myself and my own position.If I was solely bothered about me, I probably wouldn't have said anything.I kind of, as a man with a moral compass, who cares very much about others, if you see a blind man crossing the road, would you go and intervene, or would you pull your phone out to film the incident?You know sadly we live in a society where half of the people with this nut case that was allegedly going around stabbing people babies and stuff you know you've got three three or four people filming it.What's that about? It kind of suggests to me that either it's a very sick elaborate setup, just to keep us all distracted from the real story, or there are some very sick people about who are more bothered about likes or earning money from the news story and the payment for the footage. For me, do you know how many films I've got like that on my phone? None, because it wouldn't enter my mind to film it. I'd just get stuck in and give them a right good hiding, its a sad world.It's a sad world. And it just is what it is.Unfortunately, I think that was one of the hardest things. I think when I spoke out initially, I'll be clear.I believed in COVID when it first came out, probably for about 12 weeks.And then as time went on, I gradually saw through the lie until I was utterly convinced.And then, of course, I had the meeting with Sir Graham Brady in Westminster.And I was in no doubt.Life's never been the same since sadly
I'm assuming that Graham Brady hasn't emailed you following that to ask you for your input further
Um no no Graham Brady won't he's a gutless scumbag, I'll make it very clear, I don't pull any punches, he sat there and he listened to what we all said then said it's above his pay grade there's nothing he can do, he's a scumbag, with with power comes responsibility to wield that power and leave a legacy. Now, you can leave different legacies. Do you want to leave it one of good? Do you want to be remembered as someone special who cared about others or do you want to be remembered as someone who sold their soul to the demons and that's what he's done. All he's bothered about is him and his perceived seat on the ark. The same as all of them. They all know if Graham Brady knows, Boris Johnson knows, Rishi Sunak knows, they know, they know and they choose not to do anything about it which is why the police are not doing anything about because they're under orders. On April the 28th of 2022 I went toMilton Keynes Police Station, Thames Valley Police Station, with the great Mark Sexton.God bless him, he's a wonderful man. And I asked to speak to an officer, you know, as a local funeral director concerned about a number of deaths. He seemed very keen. He said sit down. He went upstairs. He came back with a totally different attitude. He'd been told not to talk to us. The incident number was 1068, for those who are interested. We were told that they were, we were told to sit and wait. So we waited a couple of hours. Then he came down and said there's no one free, there's no one free? To talk about a number of deaths? they're all out there pointing speed traps or chasing people for posting hate crimes, you know, Muppets, they're Muppets and I've lost all respect for the police to be honest.And I don't care if they're only doing what they're told to do, they should hang their heads in shame, they made an oath and they're breaking that oath and they should be ashamed of themselves. And I do wonder if there's any coppers left with a backbone or a moral compass, again and I would say to them, what do you think guys, the future holds for you? When they dealt with the last of us, when the last of us has been dealt with in whatever fashion, whatever the plan be. What do you think the future holds for you guys?You haven't got a seat on the ark. Don't be fools. You know, they're tools, they're being used and once they've fulfilled their purpose like all tools, they get discarded, I can't believe there's so many of them are so cowardly.
Well, look, we've, it was a year ago, I spoke to you and you talked about the excess deaths you were seeing and what you were finding when you did the autopsies. Kind of a year on, what is your assessment or perception or view of what is happening? What are you still seeing to this day?
I'm still seeing unnatural numbers of, to give you an insight, I'm seeing an unnatural number of deaths in young people, primarily from cancers and from sudden heart attacks or strokes in people that didn't have any prior history. I look on my wall, to the right of me, there's one, two, three, four, five of my friends, my personal friends that I've grown up in their 40s and 50s that have died in the last 12 months, every one of them was vaccinated.Yeah, yeah, it's a real gallery of heartache, you know. So last week on the 7th, I received an email and this is one of many that I receive constantly because people reach out to me, they know I can be trusted, you know.So it says, hi, John, I contacted you last year supporting your views on COVID and the vaccine mandate.I realize you are busy, but just to let you know how this thing is playing out in my workplace.I'm a nurse of 17 years, and I've spent the last eight years in palliative care settings.Over the past 18 months, there have been a massive increase in cancers diagnosed in those under 50.The time between diagnosis and death is often a few weeks or so before any treatment can even be started.Cancer of the bile duct, cancer of the appendix. I've never heard of this previously.Glioblastoma is now common, especially in the under 40s. It is heart-breaking, yet people are blind to see the cause. It is so sad.Apologies for my rambling. Thanks for continuing to speak outdespite the negative impact it may bring you. Kind regards. And I'm not going to say her name.But that's just one email of, I get them constantly.I have police officers sitting here telling me they know what's going on.They can't do anything out because they're not allowed.They're not allowed.It doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it right. What are people going to do? And while I commend all of these efforts through the courts, it's a double-edged sword, so I believe the Covid inquiry is a joke it's just to percate the masses as as they go further down the madness on climate change and 15 minute cities and and destroying the food chain.And closing all the farms down, an interesting conversation I had today, I had started a little bit late, I took my dog for a walk in the morning because my missus had to go and collect a deceased from Birmingham, early start because the mortuary is only open eight till nine. What's that about? Eight till nine in the morning, an hour to collect deceased. Yeah, so she had to leave at the crack of dawn and I was saddled with taking the dog out, which I don't mind, he's lovely, bless him, he's a little cockapoo. So I'm over the fields, at the back of our house there's a wood and there's then endless fields of wheat this year, the farmers planted, and there's a guy with a tripod and as I'm coming up I can see him and I thought he was taking photographs, and as I got closer, there's like a little flying saucer, not a camera.And I kind of said, Oh, hi, you know, I said, what are you doing?And he said, I'm a geo surveying. I said, okay. Um, why is that? And he said, because they're going to turn it into a solar farm.So I said, what'd you mean? He said the whole, yeah, they're going to turn it into a solar panel farm. That's what it's going to be.He said and that's the plan for the whole of the UK farms are going to go to solar farms, and he actually agreed it's insane but said it's his job and if he doesn't do it somebody else will.
Wow.
What is the matter with these people? How can they not see? How can they not see, if I said to you, listen, we've got an agenda. We want to depopulate. I need you to poison kids for me. What would be the price that you would do it for them? I just can't. It does. There is no price.I wouldn't care what they offer me, what threats they did. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it.You know, and I can't believe these people are doing roles, fulfilling roles that they know is going to harm the community, everyone, and still going through it. So that's a really interesting conversation. And I kind of said, you know, I mentioned about the farms in Holland and what they were doing there, and that's the plan here is to turn every farm they possibly can into a solar farm.
Yeah, no, we drive across the country and you see fields covered and it's unbelievable.
Yeah, well now they're doing the massive farms at the back of us.
Yes. Can I add that the COVID inquiry, it was, well, it's just started, literally, today, as we record two days before this goes out, and it was interesting reading the media that now suddenly are interested in freedoms, although they didn't really give a damn the last two and a half years, but suddenly they're supposedly switched on.But actually the COVID inquiry was urging people who came to it to test for COVID before the hearings. Immediately you saw this is charade. If that is the first step, it's charade.
It's total bullshit you know. From the beginning and when you look at people, I can remember talking very early on to a BBC reporter, Anna Brees, who is a truther, who had a range of masks for sale on her website.You know, when you're like, come on, what is the hypocrisy?GB News, the People's Channel, you know, the amount of times I've reached out to them, they don't want to talk to me. And when you listen to them, you had Mark Steyn doing a really good job and a couple of others. The rest of it is exact same MSM bullshit.Pushing trans this and trans that and climate change. And don't get me wrong, I don't care what someone wants to be. Do you know what? Quietly, privately, the same as I have to.You know, if I went around barking how heterosexual I was at everyone, they'd soon get sick of me.You know, it's an agenda. It's smoke and mirrors. It's to divide us and to get us all busy fighting each other, ignoring the real story. And that's genocide. You know, people need to wake up. And the same with all these stabbings. I'm not convinced these are genuine events. I would have to personally speak to the families. You can't believe anything you see on the news. And I watched the video footage. I worked on the door for seven years as a doorman in pubs and clubs.I know what it's like when it kicks off. I've been attacked with a knife myself as a younger man.It isn't realistic. The footage doesn't look remotely real to me personally and I thinkthere's a great possibility that it's orchestrated to divide us with the community that they're important, to keep us all busy attacking each other, not actually focusing on who the real enemy is to all of us.
I agree, it looks, I felt exactly the same watching the footage.
It's just, it just doesn't look real, it doesn't feel real, it looks horrid, there's no sense of real urgency or panic or, you know, what adult in their right mind would film babies being stabbed?They clearly knew what was going on but chose to film it. It's just utter rubbish, I just don't believe it and this is the same, brought to us by the same people telling us it's safe and effective, you know, no it isn't, no it isn't, I'm putting people in coffins in record numbers even now, I don't believe a word these people are saying, in fact I am in my experience now whatever they tell me, the truth is the polar opposite.Well at the inquiry talking about 226,977 deaths where COVID was recorded on the death certificate, the interesting thing is they admit that they were significantly higher amongst those with dementia, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, so they list a whole load of issues that would make you vulnerable to anything and could contribute to death and yet it's all down to COVID.
I spoke to many of the carers in these care homes. Obviously, the care home is an environment I go in regularly. It comes up in conversation. Some carers are far more vocal and truthful than others. I know what they did. I know what they did. They got a great big payment for every COVID death. They got a great big payment for everyone they could convince needed ventilating, to damage their lungs. They got payments for everyone they could throw remdesivir in. They got payments for everyone that could throw baricidinib in and toxilizumab.I've challenged the hospital. I've been ignored by powers after my stay.I know what they've done. They know what they've done. They've done it for money and they're stupid and they've got to live with their self now.Whatever way this goes, they've got to live with their self. I tell you the way it's going to go is there's going to be a great deal of civil unrest because more and more people are going to lose loved ones. You only have to look at the ONS data.I would say a third of the people that are coming in now are really, really angry because they know what's happened, they know, they know.Some of them are not aware, they're blissfully unaware. So well done, New World Order, because you've convinced them, you're slaughtering them, and convincing them is nothing you've done.I know what you've done, I know what you've done.And a growing number of people know what you've done.You will be held accountable, you will be held accountable. I'm gonna push, along with many others, to see that that happens.And I look forward to going right to the head of the snake.And I'm not frightened of them. I'm not frightened of them.What disgusting, despicable people. You know, soulless, Satanists, soulless scumbags.
Oh, they're complete. It's weird when you see how the media report on us.But The Guardian were reporting that 25% of people don't believe the COVID narrative.And I actually was encouraged by that, that obviously the media are worried.
Oh, I can tell you, there's a great awakening and there's nothing they can do to stop it.And the harder they try, the more people see it. So let them do their worst.I love it. I love the fact that it's now getting really quite dark because now people are seeing the truth.These people's days are numbered.They're gonna lose everything they've got.They're gonna lose it all. and I'm gonna be one of the people to make sure it happens.Tell us about the conversations you have with, you touched on a little bit, but with those who come in, whenever it, through the conversations, you will understand actually it is the jab that's actually caused this.
Well, I kind of, during the arrangement process, very early on, we were having to ask people, you know, was mum or dad jabbed, you know, because initially we kind of thought, well, you know, does it mean that they're less contagious to dress or wash, and of course we have a draconian government who have abused people's human rights laws and they pushed them and forced them and blackmailed them and coerced them into having these jabs and then made it really important that you're up to date on your vaccines you know there's going to be a passport there's going to be a you know brutalizing people abusing their own citizens so people have been very forthcoming if I've asked and and it's very difficult really with someone in their 80s for example you may say that there's a chance that that person would pass away anyway and I understand that but when I'm getting a record number of people in their 30s, 40s and 50s, especially, 40s and 50s being the key areas of un, record numbers, I've never seen anything like, it. I'm pretty sure when someone comes through the door and they're 45 years old, they've got no history of heart trouble and they've had a sudden heart attack and then I ask what's the vaccine. Oh yeah, they've had all their vaccines.They know, they know, a lot of these people know. Now I'm not there as a conspiracy theorist to say oh yeah you know your mum, not only have you lost your mum, your mum was murdered. You know I'm not, it's not my place to do that, I'm there to help them but if they bring it up and they say it was the vaccine, I'm happy to talk to them about it and then I'm happy to tell them my experience and the look on their face as the truth dawns on them and they know, they know anyway, all they need is someone on the cold face to confirm what they already know, and the reaction when they speak to the coroners and they know the coroner's a liar, you know, someone's lying to your face, they know, they know, they go to the inquest and they they know, they can see the lies and there's nowhere to go. I get call after call after call after call asking me where can I get a second opinion, where can I get, you can't because you could get a private post-mortem done. It'd be the scumbag coroner who works for the government doing it privately taking more money off you. You know when it's like, what's the point?You know, they're not going to um I've complained to the coroner, the local coroner, I've complained to the chiefCoroner of England and I got a four-word reply. So, I emailed him and I said, what are you doing about all these massive number of thrombosis deaths that we're seeing? I know you're seeing it because I'm seeing them here.They're not unique to me and I got a four-word reply we follow government policy that was it, so government policy is to list the cause of death, the cause of death was thrombosis.Government policy dictates you don't go any further than that so they're not because they're, doing what they're told to do isn't that what the Nazis did, uh in Nuremberg I remember, I've seen the videos where they said we were doing what we told to do, doesn't make it right it doesn't mean that you don't avoid the noose. And these people must know, they must know what the future holds for them. There is no seat on the ark for any of them, there is no seat on the ark. It's only together we're going to stop this and we're going to look back on history and we're going to be grateful that we actually came together and wish we'd done it earlier.You know, people need to realize there is no, there, our future is their future. You know, whether I'm here or not, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter. The idea is for me to leave a legacy of truth, to inspire others, to push for the change that is clearly needed. It's a must.Otherwise, there'll be nothing left for God to save. There'll be nothing left.These people are gonna destroy everything, except them in their little bunkers with their food store or whatever. You know, it's sickening, absolutely sickening.But this is the battle we face. This is why we're here, isn't it?So I'll embrace that task. And every death doesn't dishearten me.It makes my resolve stronger to push for that justice.And that's what I'm gonna continue to do until they nail me and I have a sudden heart attack or a sudden, very aggressive cancer.I know what the risks are. I don't care.
At the beginning you talked about you're busier than ever, you've no space. What does that mean?So here in a funeral home my capacity is about 15. I'm at 13 at the moment. Usually this time of year I would have four or five. So is that because I'm running a successful business in year six and building a reputation as a good undertaker apart from a conspiracy theorist?Yes, probably is, uh your reputation or okay. If you said there was a 50% increase in year six, I, should have seven or eight in and I've got thirteen.Why is that? I don't know. You tell me, I kind of said what I thought.What do others think? What is what are other undertakers doing in their funerals? I don't know. I look at the ONS consistently 20%. 20%, 20%.Yeah. I think the last one went down to 9% in excess deaths. Nobody is bothered. Nobody wants to know why. Nobody is at all bothered.You know, it'd be interesting to see this COVID inquiry debacle touches on that andI worked it out actually in World War II. Over the course of days, it's an interesting statistic, I've got the numbers somewhere, I'll throw them over, but during the duration of World War II, British soldiers there was, well the first uh excess deaths works out at 284 a day um covid, sorry excess deaths at the moment historically there were 284 a day, in world war it It was 175 they were losing a day.160 yeah, that's the difference it's 100 higher than world war II in excess deaths, unexplained excess deaths and the commonest thing I see on paperwork now is death unascertained death unascertained, how can that, how can they not know when I'm pulling this white stuff out of their arteries, you know that grows post-mortem apparently, it only grows post-mortem so after you die your arteries fill up with like white rubber, it's, but you know it's it's so frustrating but the truth is out there it's in the numbers isn't it you know so they can say what they like, I'll be remembered for the right reasons.
You've talked about what you pull out of arteries and we had Richard Hirschman on before and telling the same thing, what is the response to others in the industry?Because they're seeing the same thing, I assume.
Yeah, this is the stuff. (Shows blood clots in glass jar)
Wow.
So this is like a white calamari stuff. This came from the neck of a 31 year old woman.Single incision, straight case, she wasn't post-mortem.And when he withdrew the nozzle of the embalming pump, this flew out.This never happens, it's not normal.
It's not normal, that's what I was gonna say, it's not normal.
It's not normal. It's never happened. My embalmer said the same thing. He's got 20 years. He's BIE registered.You know, British Institute of Embalmers. They've all actually been warned openly warned not to say anything to anyone about any concerns that they have, can only report it to to their their media advisor kind of officer, Kate. I think her name is, it was very interesting. So, they have a bi-monthly British Institute of Embalmers magazine and that's given out to embalmers as members of the BIE and there's a clear warning in there, you know, you don't talk to anyone with any concerns. Why would you not, why would you even tell people that? Surely if you have concerns, you should raise those concerns. No, not according to the BIE, you don't talk about it.Your role as you look at the bodies, as you talk to the relatives, you're talking about how they have died. I mean you talk about the excess, the cancer rates and that's one particular that I've looked into and I'm shocked at. We've heard of the myocarditis, the heart issues and we've had Ed Dowd on before. I mean is it a range of issues which you're seeing that seem to be caused by the the jab itself.
It's mainly super aggressive cancer. So cancer, right? I'll touch on that. Pre COVID jab, people come in and I'm a people person. I get to know that family from the first phone call, collect a near loved one from the place of death, be that the hospital in the home where district nurses visited them and put them out in their misery, basically bless them. And so you build a bond. And at some point you would say to these people, so what happened to mum, what happened to dad with a cancer death and they would give you their cancer story if you like, and it would be a three, four, five year story, now we're getting people will like Helen, said in the email that I've got, six weeks, eight weeks, 12 weeks, too quickly to even get treated where they're actually presenting at stage four. And there's a reason for that. So this mRNA, it reprograms your T cells.So the way it works is everyone develops cancer in their body. As they get old, their cells reproduce and you get the odd cell that reproduces and it's broken. That's a cancer. And your T cell detects this and it goes, oh, there's a cancer. Pow. And it zaps it. As you get older, your ability to do that falters. Well, what happens is with these vaccines, it's switching that T cell off. So as these form, they're totally unchecked. And this is why we're getting people die from cancer. They didn't even tell me the number. I think it's number 48 is what, gene 48, whatever that is, or, you know, but it's a T cell basically that tackles cancer.They turn that off. So of course, then the cancer runs riot. And that's why they're dying in eight weeks instead of two or three or four or five years, you know. And again, we're seeing people dying from cancers that are really unheard of, super rare ones.It sticks out like a sore thumb. I've got hospice nurses writing to me to say the same thing.They're seeing the numbers. I'm seeing the numbers in people in their 40s, people in their 50s that just didn't die before. To give you an idea of how unusual it is now.When I worked for the co-op, we were, the hub I was working in, we were doing about 800 funerals a year and it was busy and busy as a relative term, to the amount of staff you've got there but to give you an idea, I do about 160 funerals a year here, I guess, a ballpark figure and when I worked for the co-op and we would do it 800 a year, I could count the amount of people, 150 on one hand, in a 12 month period. I've had that in some months. 150. Yeah, it's phenomenal increase, phenomenal and that correlates, I've had insurance specialists get in touch with me and say we're really worried, we're seeing incredible numbers of policy pay-outs in the under 50s because they're all dying of cancer after being vaccinated, that you know it's undeniable and it's, it certainly is there to the point we're having an inquiry, well why are they having an inquiry if it's safe and effective, because they know and they're just trying to placate people and carry on with the agenda, do you know it's insane and it can only ever end one way and I believe us in civil unrest sadly and I don't want people to kick off and start smashing and burning. I want them just to simply turn their backs on these people and say no, we're not, we're not, no.We're not doing it anymore. When they announce the next lockdown, be that for climate change or because of civil unrest, they've cultivated by throwing thousands and thousands of young men from a far away country and then throwing out loads of propaganda saying how terrible they are whilst encouraging them perhaps to be terrible. You know, whatever the reason for the next lockdown, Don't comply. Don't do it.Don't do it. I'm not saying that you have to be committing crime, but don't be locked up in your own houses. Don't follow, you know, don't let your business go under because you're not going to work.That's what they want. That's what they want. And even talking about it and thinking about it, it's insane really, but this is the position these demons have put us in. An Agenda 2030 is very much underway, you know. The sooner people wake up, the sooner we've got a chance collectively to stop it and change it and put these people at the head of the snake in a position where they understand they're going to lose everything unless they backtrack and stop it and throw a few people under the bus, your Fauci, your Gates and that's what they're going to have to do because otherwise they will lose everything and I can't wait for that day, be I here to see it or not.
Because I'm expecting watching the inquiry they will throw the odd person under the bus who's a nobody like Hancock or someone.
I want to see all of them. Everyone is guilty. And then, providing we can keep them in a position where they don't commit suicide in the prison cell, which seems to be a very common occurrence, doesn't it, with anyone who holds key information. I want to see Gates, Fauci, you know, even the likes of Soros. What a scumbag he is. You know, what he's done is unbelievable. He's the devil incarnate, you know. And, oh, you're anti-Semitic if you say anything, no I'm not, you know. The reality is it doesn't matter what religion the guy is, he is a scumbag, he is the devil's own and you know I hope there is a God, I believe there is and I hope that he deals with him and Soros doesn't look like he's got much life left in him anyway and I will celebrate his death like Christmas.He's a scumbag. He's an absolute scumbag. What he's done is wickedness, absolute wickedness.Even from when he was a teenager, robbing the dead.You know, and he did it because other people would have. Like, that makes it right, you know?And what an awful person? And he's just gone from one demonic act to the next.I'm looking forward to seeing... There's a documentary about to emerge from Mel Gibson on the child trafficking in Hollywood.I think we're all waiting for that with bated breath. Let's hope there's a catalyst. There must be some police officers or military somewhere that are a force for good and have a moral compass and a backbone and care about children. There must be. So let's hope there is such a force, or a collective force, be that an international collective force of good that wants to force the change that's really needed to save humanity from these people.No, 100%, 100%. Can I finish off with a point, which I think I've done each time I've been with you, just to point out that you actually, weirdly, someone who works in the funeral business benefits from excess deaths because it's business, weirdly, but yet you are speaking out, so there's nothing for you to gain from speaking out.
No, I've got everything to lose, I've got nothing to gain.Do you know what, I was never short of work.I was never short of work. I like to look after people that have had a full life.I don't want to look after seven-year-old kids who died a week after being vaccinated.I don't want to look after 32-year-old mums of three who've got sudden, very aggressive, unexplained breast cancer that takes them in three weeks.I don't want to do that. I shouldn't have to do that. But my government has poisoned people.And I don't think it's naïve of you because Graham Brady, his face, at the meeting, it said the story.He said, I can't stop it. above my pay grade. These, we've let the wrong people get into power and it's time that we had a purge and we got rid of them and we put people in there with a moral compass. You know, we'd be better off with a dustbin, a dustbin man in Westminster running the show with a moral compass.It would do better for all of us, you know. It's, we've got to see change. We've got to see, and I'm not talking about reform and all the other bollocks. You know, I want to see a total dissolution of Parliament and a re-fabrication, you know, the whole, everything, it needs to go, the lot of them, they're all scumbags and I think what illustrated it for me more than anything else was when Mr Andrew Bridgen stood up to voice concerns over an unprecedented number of constituents dying and they all got up and walked out and then you've got these haggard, poisonous old men of privilege, going around and berating two young female MPs and bullying them out.And not to listen. You know, that's not democracy. That's not democracy. That's Nazis.They're mental. What's the matter with them? And it makes me really quite angry and animated.And that's what people need. I think they need to get angry and build on their moral compass, and force the change that's needed. We are the power. They're nothing without us.They're nothing. They're haggard old men sitting in a posh house somewhere. They're nothing without us. We don't comply. They've got nothing. And that's what I would urge people. It's the same same as voting, right? There is no democracy. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Labour, Tories, two sides of the same coin. So I would urge everyone to go to the ballot box because, you have to go and vote. If you don't vote, you give your consent to whoever's voted in.So you have to go and write across your ballot in black ink. I do not consent. Put it in the spoilt ballot papers. They are counted. They represent the feeling of the public.So, don't sit at home thinking, oh, it's a waste of time, it is a waste of time voting, but go and vote to spoil your ballot paper and write, I do not consent.That way you're withdrawing your consent to whatever candidate is voted in.You have to go and do it. You can use their process against them, you know, don't sit back and think it's a waste of time. I'm not going.I can tell you, I'll go down there. I'll be down there and I'll put, I do not consent across my ballot paper.That's counted as a spoiled paper. numbers are revealed, let these scumbags get in on a couple of thousand votes with 25,000 spoiled papers and see them shuffle their way into their second home and all their expenses paid no electric bill, no gas bill because we pay their bills scumbags, scumbags.John I can't agree with you more and as an honour to speak with you, a voice of reason and you've become a figure that people look to and listen for your balls of courage.
Well I care very much about them, and I would care very much about them from beyond the grave and I'll run back into the light to get back at them because I will never give up, I will never give up and I never, I'm not going to be politically correct and pull punches, I'll tell them as I feel it is and I think I speak for a lot of people.
Absolutely, well thank you so much John for your time today once again.
And yours Peter, God bless you and God bless everyone.
 

Anni Cyrus - Iran Shows That Islam Remains a Clear and Present Danger to the West

While the focus has been on the Covid Tyranny, the loss of personal freedoms, the impending rollout of digital ID's and CBDC's and China, its easy to forget that Islam remains a threat to all our freedoms. Anni Cyrus joins us to remind us that the rise of Islam has not gone away and its threats to our freedoms and way of life remains and grows. We look at the Islamic Republic of Iran that exemplifies the Islamic threat, their economic clout (linking with the BRICS economies) and its growing military threat that should be a wake up call to the West.
Aynaz “Anni” Cyrus is the founder of ‘Live Up To Freedom’, she was born in 1983 into an Islamic family in Iran, after the Islamic Revolution removed the Shah and turned the “mini-America” of the Middle East into an Islamic tyranny. Given no choice, Aynaz was labeled as a Muslim by birth. Under Sharia (Islamic Law) she grew up under total Islamic dominance by her father, a Sheikh, and her mother, a Quran teacher.At age nine, Aynaz rejected Islam completely in her heart and mind. It happened on her 9th birthday when the Islamic state, in a public ceremony, declared the absurdity that she would be, from that day forward by law, an adult woman.Over the next six years, Aynaz suffered terrible, but legal by Islamic Law, abuses and punishments at the hands of many Islamic males of Iran. After being forcibly sold by her own father into an extremely violent marriage, Aynaz desperately sought escape from her hell as a child bride. Even after being visibly battered one last time, the Islamic courts denied her a divorce from the man who was clearly bound to beat her to death.So at age 15, facing death by one way or the other, Aynaz got herself smuggled out of Iran, to save her own life. Knowing nothing of the life of freedom for women and girls outside of Iran or Islam, she ran into what she calls “The Unknown.” But her running was a crime, for which, to this day, she stands condemned to death by stoning under Sharia.Aynaz then gained asylum in Turkey through the United Nations. But, as an unaccompanied minor, she was obligated to wait three more years. Finally, at age 18 her petition to become an American citizen was approved. After a further delay following 9/11, Anyaz was allowed entry into the United States on August 8, 2002. She became a naturalized and proud American citizen in 2010.Since 2011, Aynaz has produced the popular Internet video series, “The Glazov Gang”, hosted by renowned author in the counter-jihad movement, Dr. Jamie Glazov. Aynaz also appears in many of the show’s hundreds of segments. Years of her media appearances are found in public speaking venues, interviews, videos, and articles, published in affiliation with The David Horowitz Freedom Center, Jihad Watch, Breitbart, American Thinker, Worldview Weekend, and American Truth Project, to mention a few.
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(Hearts of Oak)
And hello, Hearts of Oak. Welcome to another interview coming up with Anni Cyrus, who re-joins us after being with us a year ago.And last year, we focused purely on Islam as the ideology as a religion.This time, we focus more on the geopolitics. And we really start with Islam dropping off the agenda. Why that's so?With the rise of the focus on COVID tyranny, China, press freedoms and free speech.Should we be concerned that Islam is not on the agenda? Then we look at energy, where Iran fits into this really in the Middle East with a focus away on Russian energy and where Iran fits this and Iran's connections with the BRICS economy, that economic powerhouse and what that means for the West.Does that mean a removal from the US's power and influence in the world?We touch on military. Iran firing its first hypersonic missile.What could go wrong with that? And then we end off looking at Islam itself as the ideology, its role, its place in America. Should we be concerned? We've talked a lot about Europe, and its place, haven't touched so much on America. So what does that mean for America? A lot packed in. I know you love listening to Anni as she shares her insights on Islam and the geopolitical issues. 
Anni Cyrus, it's wonderful to have you back with us again. Thank you for your time today.(Anni Cyrus)
It is my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me back. 
Not at all. It's been nearly a year since you were back with us on July 2022, last year.My escape from Islam and why the West needs to wake up and people can find that if you look back a year ago.Today I think we want to look at why Islam has dropped off the agenda with so much focus on other issues, rightly so.I think the focus has come off Islam. So we want to delve into that but people can find you @Anni_Cyrus on Twitter. You're elsewhere. GETTR, Instagram. Everywhere else and liveuptofreedom.com is the website.Of course, your Lindell TV. Where's the best place to catch you, Anni?
liveuptofreedom.com, that would be the place where you find all the other links, all the videos, either my own shows or my appearances on other programs, liveuptofreedom.com is the best place to go.
Okay, well the viewers and listeners can go there. Now, as I said at the beginning, it seems Islam has slipped off the agenda with the focus on, I guess, COVID tyranny that we've all faced, the focus on China, and rightly so, has been one of the biggest threats to certainly the US and the world. I think our attention is focused on that and off Islam. I'm wondering, first of all, am I right to be concerned for that change of focus? 
Oh, most definitely. I've been concerned since day one when I started noticing the shift, which of course in America, it started from 2020, the election and the covid situation and the vaccine mandates and on and on and on.Yes, because it's I have always said as long as like cancer, you want to monitor that all time. No matter what comes up, you still get your annual check-up.And that's the thing. It's still pretty much as much of an enemy to human society as it was two days ago, two years ago and 20 years ago.But sadly, as you said, it's been kind of faded away or not enough attention is being paid to Islam or as I call the green side of the red-green axis.So yes, it's still very much there. The same way it was before COVID happened, before everything else started happening.It's still there.
And tell us about you because you are touching on many other things but you've still kept your major focus on your concerns of Islam, on the clash that we have between the freedoms that Islam takes away and the dominant place that it is bringing to the West.What is it like for you as you keep sounding the alarm on that issue?
I would say for last year and a half. I do feel like I'm just screaming in the forest.Nobody's listening. Okay, I should say nobody but majority of people aren't even listening, and again, I understand you when when you don't see aSeptember 11 happening you might think the danger is over, when you see so many Muslims are being elected in different countries for different positions. You're like, well, you know, they learn to coexist, so I understand why most people wouldn't listen, but it is very frustrating because I, you know see the writing on the wall. I follow all the news from Middle East in the Islamic countries I see the involvement of Western countries that are literally, enabling more and more powerful countries like Islamic Republic of Iran and I can see it. I can feel it I just don't tend to be able to get people to understand equal amounts of time and attention is needed for stopping this very smooth on the ground movements of Islamization.
I want to get into geopolitics as you mentioned on Iran and other parts, but certainly over the last 12 months I've been in the US a lot and been probably three different major conferences, including at CPAC and Islam simply wasn't on the agenda and you listen to all the speeches, all the issues and they're all absolutely important, essential, we need to understand.But Islam wasn't on it and that's more probably looking at it from a political point of view and it doesn't seem to be there. I mean what are your thoughts as you look on the political discourse on this.Well, let me start here. One of the main reasons that you don't hear much about Islam from Politic aspect of life if you put it that way in any country, especially United States of America, UK, Canada it's the fact that, you you cannot know, you do not want to be labelled as Islamophobe why you go let's say Congress you go on the floor and you got you know, Muslims like Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib is standing there, that awkward moment needs to be avoided because we are the Western countries that have the spoiled, behaviour mentality. We don't we want to avoid conflict. We want to avoid confrontation We want to avoid possibly being removed from our positions losing that fancy pay check we have so we will look the other way, that's on that angle. But as far as the events such as CPAC or DNC or any of them, there are two problems number one again. You don't want to lose funding, You don't want to lose the sponsors and you also don't want to start receiving bomb threats on your events because then people won't show up if somebody said I remember in 2018 I had a event summer in Minnesota and the morning of the event where Steve called that well, there's a bomb threat on the church, you're about to show up.I'm like, I'm still showing up. The church said, we're still going to let you show up.But guess what? People didn't show up.The speaker showed up, the venue stayed in place, but the audience didn't show up because they weren't going to risk their life to learn about this danger.So you put all of that together, it becomes to where they will, I'm not saying they're doing the right thing.Maybe they shouldn't do what they're doing. They shouldn't avoid talking about it.For example, where Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar or Obama or Keith Ellison or any of them that come out, as of right now we have 218, Muslim Practicing Sharia members inside United States of America's government from locally all the way to federal government offices.218, and we're willing to not chase after any of them to call them out on their Anti-American anti-Semitic anti-human behaviour or requests such as Ilhan Omar's, blasphemy Anti-islamophobia deals that she's trying to push, because we either they either don't want to lose their head because when you chase after Islam when you expose Islam you automatically will have a bounty that's gonna be taken from Quran 9 5 we had on wherever you find them, So most people prefer to keep their life, I guess.
I understand that. From a human point of view, I get that. But as you certainly and we are trying to do is seek truth and speak up on injustices that you find.But looking at the geopolitical side of it, I guess with the move away from Russian energy and Biden's move away from US energy, where they're seeming to cut their nose off, spite their face, and we, I guess, our reliance on other countries and into that steps Iran.Do you think, have you seen Iran gain legitimacy because the West is desperate for other sources and seemingly not looking at those sources underneath its own feet?
I wouldn't say they are gaining or they will gain legitimacy, but I will say this, considering I strongly believe all of this was orchestrated, all of these walkaways were orchestrated, Because at the end of the day, there's this very, very, very old saying by, forgive me as I draw a blank on her name every time I want to say her name, but it was Israel's prime minister who said, as long as Mullahs are in charge of Middle East, the Western powers will become more powerful.On that note, they had to give more power to Mullahs. Now when we say Mullahs, we're not just talking about Iran's regime.We're talking about Taliban. We talk about ISIS, we talk about Al-Qaeda, and I know most of your audience hopefully are aware that most of these literal names of, you know, the regime of Iran and the Taliban, they are all made by Western countries, specifically UK, France, and US. In order to regain that power that they needed, the chaos that needs to be in place in Middle East, they did what they did, you know, US, the most disastrous, embarrassing withdrawal of our history from Afghanistan, handing it over to Taliban, having an agreement with Taliban.I covered this while ago based on leaked documentations that United States of America signed an agreement with Taliban that we shall never attack Taliban.Now we'll explain what happened at the airport. That's why our soldiers had a stand down order in Afghanistan that very day because we have made a promise to never attack Taliban as long as they're in power.Now, this agreement was signed in February of 2020, February of 2020, way before Taliban even took power.So for anybody who thinks Taliban just jumped on an opportunity and took Afghanistan.No. Agreement was signed way before we even decided to withdraw from Afghanistan. Iran, yes sanctions are lifted, we're just about to give him another 17 billion dollars frozen asset between China and Iraq, No, sorry, not China South Korea and Iraq, and we had to walk away from all of these energies so we could pretend like we're giving legitimacy to Iran to start becoming our source for the lack of energy we need.Oh, it does. And you mentioned, you did a video just a few days ago on that US and Iran can reach a deal soon on release of frozen funds. Talks between Iran and US on the release of Tehran's frozen assets could result in a deal, and you mentioned 10 billion. To most viewers, listeners, that would be sound crazy. Why would the US be doing a deal with Iran? Who does that benefit? What purpose is it for? I mean, explain to us as you see why that is happening and how that benefits anyone.So let me go back to what I just said. The Prime Minister of Israel is saying as long as Mullahs are in power in the Middle East, the Western countries become more powerful.So September of last year, there was an uprising in Iran.People of Iran were tired of this tyranny. They started an uprising that turned into a full-on revolution, and the government or the regime of Iran started becoming very desperate in all shapes and forms.It was time for their current ally, being United States of America, or more specifically Biden regime, to come to rescue.The more funding available for the regime of Iran, the better they can stay in control if you call it and that's what did happen The first release of a billion dollars that we did for them back in I believe February or late January, to today you notice that the revolution has died down it has slowed down.
32,000 Iranians in prison, political prisoners every morning two to three Iranians are being hung and executed for blasphemy or or propaganda against the regime, or being a spy for Israel, you name it.They pick your title, whatever.And the regime is staying in power again, currently. So to answer your question of who's gonna benefit from this would be the mullahs and the regime of Iran, and furthermore, the Biden regime, or also we can say the elite, we can say the globalist.Again, I don't really have a specific title for them. How did they benefit from it?That's as United States of America has been a target for a very long time.And I don't mean couple of years, I mean decades.United States of America had to be taken down. The best way to describe this is how my boss, Jamie Glazov put it in his, one of his books, United in Hate, where the left likes to burn America down, and build their own deluded utopia on the ashes left behind.Islam has always been the best tool to burn down anything because when Islam comes in they strip you of your culture your language your mentality, your personality, your humanity everything goes away, that's why red green axis is started because the red, they knew there is no way they can easily easily conquer any of the modern, civilized Western countries because we're aware of history.That's when Islam came in to do the job for them and not to give you too much of a preacher a long history lesson, but bottom line is those who would like to change our lives as free, countries will benefit from this deal because the more money the regime, the more they stay in power, the more they can finance all the jihad attacks more of their, you know, sleeper cells itself can be imported into countries like UK and US and Canada, the time is right, they just started their major attack, which I have estimated within a year, by the time the next presidential election is done in America is when we will see a series of coordinated jihadist attack in United States, big cities, schools and churches.
Because obviously the argument from Sleepy Joe would be that, and probably for most of West is that all you need is to help those poor Islamic countries that are suffering and if we can give them an economic boost then we can all be friends and we can have global peace.You're saying that the way to fix this is not necessarily economic?No, here's a few things by the way. We don't call him Sleepy Joe anymore, we call him a slippery. 
That's true.
So, now that being said, that's been clear, seriously, this guy slips a lot, doesn't he?Slippery Joe can have that argument, but as far as having, you know, the argument of the best way to stop Iran from having nuclear weapon is diplomacy.That's what the talking point of Lincoln has been.But the there are a few problems. Number one Iran already has the nuke, Netanyahu did a, seminar and he showed all the documents that Iran has nukes already so there is no goal of stopping Iran from having nuke. So that's right there. The second part is if we do this and this and that as Obama started at hope, for peace, If you study the behaviour of any of the 50 countries that is led by Islam, meaning the constitution of the country is Islam and Sharia, you come to realize, considering there is no peace involved in the cult itself, you can't expect any peace from the leaders of the cult either.That's just, again, deluded utopia, deluded peace. Now, it's kind of funny, but I do sometimes say, if you look at the language of Islam, which is Arabic, the letter P doesn't exist.How do they claim peace?If they can pronounce it, I'll accept it. Because they don't have Pepsi in Arabic countries, they have Bepsi. And they don't call my language Parsi. You all know as Iran's language is Farsi.Our language is not Farsi, it's Parsi. When it was conquered by Islam, they turned it into Farsi because they couldn't pronounce Parsi.So if any of them can pronounce peace, I'll accept it from them.I know this seems like a very tiny thing that is irrelevant, but the lies start from right there and it goes all the way to Biden saying, this is for the sake of human society.We need to unfreeze all these assets, give them more money so they can become peaceful.It's the same scenario. If we take away your second amendment, bad guys are not gonna have guns anymore.That's how much sense this deal is making to us right now.Obviously, the economic side that I've seen the whole BRICS countries coming together.And I think I read that Iran's trade with BRICS exceeded 34 billion in 11 months.And it seems that Iran are finding bedfellows with Brazil and Russia and India, China, South Africa, and that is growing.Does that take away the power of the US? Obviously, they're not punishing Iran, they want a trade with Iran, but Iran and other Islamic countries, I guess, will be becoming part of this new global economic bloc that really disposes America's place in the world.Well, the thing is that they have that ability, thanks to U.S. right now, because part of the sanctions that were lifted originally in October of 2021 was this very deal you're talking about.Their ability to be part of this huge boost of economy for them.Does it take away the power from people of America to have any hope to push back against Iran's regime?Yes. But from the elite again, the Biden regime. No, it actually gives them more leverage because the more powerful the Iran regime becomes either I don't know if you followed that part, but September of last year when it was the first time ever Ebrahim Raisi the current president of Iran, landed in New York with his own private government jet in New York Airport is when I said fellow Americans wake up, 44 years ago at the Iran Tehran Cemetery, Khomeini said let the plan begin, We will take down the great Satan America and we will wipe Israel off the map, today we have Ibrahim Raisi known as butcher of Tehran, under investigation for Crimes against humanity under personal sanction by government of United States of America just landed in New York.What power There is no power left, not for us.They have gained all the power.The alliance has been completed.But the question is again, are people listening? 
What about the military side?I mean, Iran or a economic power, I mean, what's nearly 100 million people, it's a powerful entity in terms of mass and numbers, and it's been working on its military. I think I read, recently about them unveiling their first hypersonic missile in challenge, not only to the West but in Israel. We'll touch on Israel a bit, but that growing, I guess, military supremacy, that Iran have, and Iran seem to be, I guess, ahead of other Islamic countries, probably because US have partnered closely with other Islamic countries up north where Iran have been held as a more prior state, but as they're welcomed in, I mean it's frightening to anyone who cares about freedom to see Iran having military capability of hypersonic missiles, which means that's beyond the capability of America to actually defend itself.
Well, that's true. And here's the thing.Iran and Russia since the Ukraine crisis now, let me do that, since the Ukraine crisis, Iran and Russia have created this very strong alliance as far as military equipment goes, right and then right before that what we left Afghanistan, I'll remember if the United States of America's military left about 85 billion dollar equipment behind, Taliban got those equipment and more than 70% of it was sold to Iran and they started using the technology either replicating or using the technology to advance their military equipment. This is all within year and a half getting close to two years, comes August is two years. So yes, I understand especially my fellow Americans they do not like it when I say this, but the reality is if Iran decides to wipe Israel off the map tomorrow, they have the capability right now.And that is why last week there was a release that when the United States of America's representative decided to meet with Oman's president to turn Oman into the new middleman between Iran and America because Qatar was the middleman before.Some of the officials of Israel were aware and they hoped for the best.Because even the Israeli government is very well that since they're not going to do because here's the thing Israel also has what it takes to go up against Iran but as we both know the Israeli government isn't going to do that. They're so worried about their image. They are not going to first make the first move, I actually said it once and I received a lot of backlash, so don't attack Peter if you don't like what I'm about to say, come attack me on my page, but the point is how many times have you heard of Israeli governmentalmost cornering Hamas and they're receiving a phone call from America to say ceasefire and they're like ceasefire.They are not going to do this, most of people out there. Unfortunately anti-Semitism is on the rise and it's the most, practice in human act, I'm not sure what they're worried about. I don't think their image could get any worse than it is already in the world but they're not going to attack so they go behind our representatives, like best of luck, go get them. They're gonna sign an agreement with you. That's where we're at. So yes, Iran can hit New York. From Iran they have what it takes to hit New York tomorrow.But again, unfortunately, it why they're doing that we're training our military members here, with all the respect to everyone who has served this country I owe you my life, but the new generation of our military is, let me wake up in the morning and decide which bathroom I'm going to feel like using.That's how we're going to defend ourselves.
Tell us about, because you mentioned Israel, how does Israel fit into this?Because it seems as though the West are empowering nations that have been a threat to Israel, have been a threat to stability and peace in the Middle East.And Israel being, I guess, the big dog with the military power and the economic power have held that peace in the Middle East.But with a stronger round, one focus you have on the threat against the US, but as you touched on, it's the threat against Israel.I mean, as you've watched that happen, what are your thoughts on how that actually could affect that stability?Well, I wouldn't agree that Israel has, you know, helped the peace in Middle East. The reason I wouldn't agree as for example, you know on a bias note, September of last year. There's an uprising by November. There's a full-on revolution in Iran and everybody knows for a fact, there are more than enough Assad members in Tehran by itself, that could have just given the very last hope to Iranian people which is weapons and fighters to overthrow the regime.That didn't happen. When Netanyahu was back in office, he released a video making promise that he's with the people of Iran.Well, we appreciate the words, Bibi, but are you actually gonna do something? No.You're just gonna release more videos just like Biden regime did, and all the RINO members of our government here, we are with the people of Iran, but then tomorrow we're gonna release $8 billion frozen assets, so the regime can have more weapons to shoot and kill people on the streets of Tehran. So on that note I don't see necessarily as right holding the peace, but I do believe Israel is, playing mid-ground with all parties involved. Do I know the politics behind it? No. Do I know why they're doing it? Absolutely not. Well, I do but I'd rather not mention that yet on air. But the point is, if Israel would take control of their own country, their own military, their own people, and stop listening to America, for example, Middle East could be in absolute peace.Because the only thing it takes for Middle East to come to absolute peace, it might even modernize itself, because it has a smart people, rich culture, almost 3,000 years of music.All it takes is to remove the mullahs from Iran, and Israel has what it takes to do that.They haven't done it yet.So I can't give you a better answer than I really pray that Netanyahu comes to who he was seven, eight years ago, takes control, and instead of just making a bunch of threats, take action.People of Iran, inside Iran and outside of Iran, we have made it very clear we will appreciate either Israel or America to step in and set us free.So it's not like they're worried about Iran turning into Iraq or Afghanistan.Iran is neither of those. Iran is not Syria.Iran is a very rich country by nature, and people of Iran are standing by, asking for foreign help right now.All it takes is for one of these countries to actually answer the call, and then you can watch peace flow all over Middle East.
I guess it's a chance for Benjamin Netanyahu to actually put his foot down because he has been on the political scene for so long in Israel, regained power.He's not going to be leader of Israel forever. He's not going to lose and win another election.Therefore it's his chance to stamp his authority.
Let me mention one more thing just in case if we move on from this.Recently, a historic day took place in Israel. The crown prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, made a visit to Israel.After 44 years, the son of the last king of Iran made a visit to Israel as an official prince of Iran.He reached out and he announced that if we receive any support for him to gain power back in Iran, they can count on Iran to become their ally once again.We have gone that far to give Netanyahu all the approval he would ask, including the current prince who has 90% of Iranian people's vote to come back, and he has never been de-crowned.So technically he is our crowned prince. You made a visit two weeks ago and pretty much said, you can count on us to become your ally once again, if you help us take the country back.
Going on specifically to Islam itself, we touched on the geopolitics, but Islam itself, we are seeing, and we probably touched on this when we spoke a year ago, but a rise certainly within Europe and in many of our metropolitan areas with Brussels being what 30 percent Islamic, Paris being probably 15 to 18 percent, London being about 15 percent.And a big growth, massive demographic changes. Certainly in the UK we've seen Islam growing at ten times the speed than the national general population. Do you want to give us thoughts on in the US what it is like because it doesn't seem to be such a threat in the US and then of course the fear is the lawmakers sit back and think actually this is maybe a European problem but isn't a US problem? 
Oh it's most definitely a US problem. The reason you see it as more threat in Europe is because none of the European countries have our constitution.Therefore, if one person, for example, criticizes Islam or shows a picture of Mohammed, there will be a massive backlash and it will be reported. Whereas in America, due to our constitution and what's left of our freedoms to practice, we get to do more of pushback, and it doesn't seem as chaotic as Europe.However, as I said, if you think about the number, so supposedly 1.2% of American population are Muslim. 1.2, right?That's very tiny, but they have 218 representatives all across the country.Does that look like a minority to you? No, it doesn't.So when it comes to America, you've got to look at the crisis a little differently.For example, we have situations in America where you have the school district in Michigan forcefully feeding every single kid at school halal meat.No one has pushed back because they don't want to be Islamophobic, right?So they're allowing their kid to eat the halal meat, which is okay.No, not okay. I actually really hate the taste of halal meat.It is dry because they dried meat.But the problem is when they're paying for their kids' food, they're also funding jihad because part of the halal meat requires Islamic taxes. Where does Islamic tax go?Part of it goes to jihad.So these are the little small tiny ways that we're facing issues here.But as I said, because of Biden regime, because of economy, because of fake crisis of Second Amendment, you barely notice it, but they have grown a lot more in America during the evacuation of Afghanistan, as I covered, more than 65,000 Afghans were lifted, brought to America.We don't know who they are. We don't know where they are because at some point we just opened all the gates of all the military bases.We're like, welcome to America. Get out there.Later on, almost 100 of them ended up having ties to Islamic terror.Recently at the border were, you know, arresting Islamic soldiers coming in.So it's just a bigger country, I guess, with a bigger population, with a lot of more freedoms for us to fight back.But the crisis here is, if not worse, just as bad as Europe.And is it just in pockets or across? Because obviously in Michigan it has a large Muslim population, other places as pockets. I mean, is it an issue just in terms of states or should it be one that lawmakers across the country take it seriously?
It is not per state because right now across America, every single state does have mosques.I don't mean a mosque, mosques. Depending on the size of the state. Some states are further conquered but every state is having the issues of Islamization and when you have Congress, again going back to your Ilhan Omars pressure on anti-islamophobia bill that is a federal law. That's just right. You make happen, That means the entire country needs to pay attention.You might have less Muslim here and more Muslim over there, whatever the case might be.But when they're pushing for federal laws against our freedoms to protect Muslims, then it is a nationwide problem.
What's the, we've seen very few politicians across Europe being vocal.Those who have been vocal live under armed guard. And I guess that's a warning. Are there politicians in the US that are vocal and see this as a legitimate threat to US freedoms?As that right now? No. No.We don't have I can't think of anyone who is vocal about the problem, I mean there there was a time when they would at least say, you know radical Islam, but they don't even say that anymore, right now, and now you need to keep in mind. I don't necessarily think they're not talking about it, because they don't want to talk about it is that the division in our government has never been as bad as it is today. There was a time when it was a party line, you know Democrats versus Republicans Now you have so many divisions you got the socialist liberals and then you have the progressive liberals and then you have the Democrats, you have the traditional Democrats and then you have the conservatives and you have the RINOS, you have the far right, you have the Republic, there is just too much chaos for anyone to pay attention to well, we should talk about Islam issues in America. Yeah, it's just, Unfortunately, they the attack from within has been successful enough that, you know, they're just letting it be. I personally, when I had, Congressman Jim Jordan on my program. I did bring up the Iran deal with him and he did the best he could to respond to you know, what are you gonna do about it part? But with every topic we talked about it wasn't it didn't seem as anyone is concerned including Jim Jordan about the Islamic attack or the Islamic issue everybody was worried about, you know.And to an extent, I understand, you know, Hunter Biden's laptop and Biden family crimes and, you know, China and COVID and vaccine and all that. But again, unfortunately, as we said at the beginning of this program, nobody's realizing that the less you pay attention to the green part, the stronger the green part will come to you.
And I guess maybe to finish off with an institution which you'd expect to speak up is the Church.And we have certainly seen a silence and a fear of the Church in the UK.I don't know whether the Church really exists in any strong shape across the rest of Europe.What's it like in America? Is the church vocal against that clash that Islam brings, which is anti-Christian in everything, but also anti-freedom. Or is there silence and fear?I would take silence and fear over what they really do. More and more churches are actually joining the interfaith dialogue in America.More and more churches are sending their people to mosques to listen to imams preach Islam.More and more churches are coming to accept that Jesus in the Quran is our Jesus.So they're actually selling us to Islam. Some of them very well at birth, some of them based on being not educated on the topic of Islam, listening to the imams, believing their taqiyya and actually thinking we can coexist.I mean, the biggest growing Christ-lam movement is in the United States of America and Canada.For those of your audience who may not know what Christ-lam is, Christ-lam is basically believing the Jesus of Islam and claiming to be a Christian.Be a Christian who believes Mohammed was the last messenger and Jesus was not but a messenger who came to spread Islam.That's Christ-lam.
And there's very, there's, we are, I guess we're seeing similar, I don't know where in the UK, it's simply because churches are afraid and don't want controversy and simply want to exist, or whether they actually believe that. It's a curious mix that we are seeing in the UK.That's the thing, I think it is, I don't think all of them know what they're getting themselves into. I do believe some of them are flat-out receiving the payment and going along with the game, some of them might be afraid and that was one of my biggest argument. I was turned away from a church, based on my activities. I was rejected as a Christian because as a Christian I am not to judge, nor am I to you know, say the things I say about other people. And what I did tell that person who was turning me around I said It's okay. You can question my faith. That is your right, but I want you to know as a leader, as a Religious leader I Can tell you this much as a pastor.You do not have the right to not defend your faith in order to stay alive. So if you want to judge me go in the mirror and judge yourself first, You're to be killed, if need to be, while leading your people through the right path.What you're doing out of fear, when you tell me, I don't need the drama that comes with you to my church, you're telling me that you're afraid of their threat.So a lot of people do that. 
Anni, I appreciate your input on this. It's a massive subject and I know our viewers and listeners will benefit massively from your overview on the geopolitical side but also on Islam as a separate entity and ideology. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing today.
Absolutely, my pleasure. Thank you, Peter.

The Week According To . . . Gareth Icke

To match the hot weather we are seeing in England this weekend we bring you a scorcher of a show as Gareth Icke returns to put the world to rights!So join us for an hour of news driven chat, opinion and discussion as Gareth gives his unbridled thoughts on some of the top stories bouncing around this week on the web, in the tabloids and on social media.Under the microscope this episode....- Boris Johnson sensationally QUITS as an MP after Partygate probe.- Gender Dysphoria: Children are being seriously harmed.- Killer migrant who served only 2 years for killing a pensioner takes the piss out of the UK.- The European Commission and WHO launch landmark digital health initiative.- Pay with your palm? No thanks.- Pride Month: LGBTQ+BS in school curriculum and lessons from Prophet Muhammad.- "I'm a pregnant man and I do exist"- Universal Basic Income being trialled. - Ukrainian Bollywood Propaganda.
Gareth Icke is an activist, a singer/songwriter, an author, a former international beach soccer player, the presenter of ‘Right Now’, an uncensored current affairs show on the Ickonic Network and is also the son of the legendary truth warrior David Icke.He has been attending protests and rallies since he was a small boy and he's worked tirelessly in the movement for truth and continues to do so through docu-series, films, books, podcasts, rallies, speaking engagements and much more.Gareth's weekly show, 'Right Now', goes out every Friday at 7pm on ickonic.com.It gives guests from all over the world a chance to say their bit, covering a huge range of subjects that the mainstream doesn’t want you to hear about.
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Links to topics discussed...Borishttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179163/Boris-Johnson-sensationally-QUITS-MP.htmlPuberty blockers https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12178335/Puberty-blockers-prescribed-young-people-clinical-research.htmlGender dysphoriahttps://twitter.com/ickonic/status/1667115695375634440?s=20Killer migranthttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12178353/Migrant-killer-21-suing-Home-Office-ruining-social-life.htmldigital healthhttps://www.who.int/news/item/05-06-2023-the-european-commission-and-who-launch-landmark-digital-health-initiative-to-strengthen-global-health-securityPalm Payhttps://twitter.com/HodlingCarla/status/1666141276918382600?s=20LGBT https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1666065028351692802?s=20LGBTQ curriculum https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-democrats-bill-require-lgbtq-curriculum-middle-high-schools-push-hate?intcmp=tw_fncLessons from Muhammad https://twitter.com/garethicke/status/1666081801348218881?s=20pregnant man https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/logan-brown-interview-2023Ukrainian Bollywood https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1665598735743700992?s=20Universal basic incomehttps://news.sky.com/story/universal-basic-income-trial-what-it-is-free-money-cash-payment-12896639