Hearts of Oak Podcast

Katherine Macbean - How the People’s Health Alliance is Providing an Integrative Approach to Wellness

A warm welcome to our guest this episode, the founder of The People's Health Alliance, Katherine Macbean.Trust in our institutions are at an all time low. The police, courts and government are viewed with suspicion or even seen as the enemy of the people. With the enforced jabbing of an experimental 'vaccine', many are now even apprehensive of visiting their doctor or hospital. People are seeking to find advice from doctors and health care staff that they can trust so it is this need that The Peoples Health Alliance is attempting to fix. Katherine started The PHA as a way to connect the public to trusted doctors and to promote a holistic approach that does not simply rely on more and more drugs to fix health issues. Big Pharma has such a strong hold on our health industry and The PHA is seeking to break this stranglehold.The People's Health Alliance is an integrative approach to health that is an organic, people-led initiative, working at a community level to educate about true health and preventative approaches all without interference from government or big pharma.The PHA was established in April 2022 and has spread across 30+ counties in the UK with over one hundred individual community groups wanting to create a health hub in their area, all unique and serving their community in different ways. PHA have moved internationally with hubs currently being created in NZ, Australia, Canada, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain and the USA.Connect with Katherine and The People's Health Alliance...WEBSITE: https://the-pha.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TPHA_UK?s=20https://twitter.com/Win11We?s=20GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/PeoplesHealthAllianceFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/groups/470135028119956/TELEGRAM: https://t.me/ThePeoplesHealthAlliance/RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/user/ThePeoplesPodcastPODCAST: https://open.spotify.com/show/3J5i3EiTquLpgBzYJYIkRz?si=bb51fab718c846d3People’s Food & Farming Alliance....WEBSITE: https://the-pffa.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/PFFA_UK?s=20TELEGRAM: https://t.me/PFFAGrowYourOwnVote Freedom Project....WEBSITE: https://vote-freedom.org/Interview recorded 25.2.23Audio Podcast version available on Podbean and all major podcast directories... ⁣https://heartsofoak.podbean.com/To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more... https://heartsofoak.org/connect/Please subscribe, like and share!
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview just coming up with Katherine Macbean.She is the founder of the People's Health Alliance.[0:31] And this is something that's come up, I think, talking to Dr. David Cartland, he mentioned originally, and I was asking him about what system there is in place to provide access to healthcare if we do not want to use or can't use the NHS.And what Katherine has done in setting up this is phenomenal.We talk about why she set it up, what drove her to set this up.Quite a number of ambassadors they have on it, Dr. David Cartland and Dolores Cahill, along with many others, and many organizations linked with them.How it's set up, talking about this integrative approach to health, this joined up thinking where it's not just big pharma, here's a pill.Talk about mental health and the impact of the last couple of years on that, and the important of community action and community hubs, which I think we've got away from, but we need to return back to those and look at some projects she has coming up. So great website and you simply put in your details and it will show you a doctor, a health practitioner who lives close by and you can sort it by where you live, but also what you're looking for. All the links are in the description. I know you'll enjoy listening to Catherine as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
 
Katherine Macbean, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:52] Thank you for having me.
 
Not all. Katherine is the founder of the People's Health Alliance. We'll get into all of that soon. And there's the website underneath on your screen and in the description.And I encourage you all to go and have a look at it. But maybe Katherine, we could start with you given just a little bit of your background before you got to the point of actually setting up the organization. So give us a little bit of your background.[2:21] Yeah, so I woke up about 25 years ago. I was working in the grocery sector and a number of my clients would have the supermarkets come in, your Tesco's and Safeway and Asda and so forth.And I was watching the control that these supermarkets had at audit times and how these small businesses effectively were having to invest really heavily to keep up with the requirements of the supermarket and the supermarkets were making it very very difficult for these suppliers through contracts to deliver directly to people and I was watching this happen over a period of a year or two and the monopolization started to become really quite frightening to me. I could see where this would head, I could see where this would go and farmers were almost handing over and producers were handing over there, their sort of sovereignty as a business, if you like, over to the likes of the supermarkets. And so I started researching and going down these holes. And that's when you start finding the likes of Monsanto's of this world and various other organizations. And for those that have done it, they know where it heads and you go off in a lot of different directions. It was a lot slower process for me to sort of wake up and be fully aware, I think, than people nowadays, because I didn't have the internet at home back then. And you know, you really had to do proper research if you like. And as time went on I realized that there was going to come a point They were going to do something to mess up.[3:48] And there had to be solutions that were found as to how do you move forward from a situation like that?So for me personally, I'd lie awake for hours at night trying to find solutions.[3:58] And it was always for me about decentralization. It was about taking power back to the people, back to communities, not this centralized control that we see now.And you could see it was going in that direction even back then.So I started to create models in my head of what that could look like.And when, during that time, I went and worked in big bag, big chem, big feed, big seed. I worked for smaller organizations. I got myself into a position where I could go and deal directly with farmers and growers and producers and really understand what was happening. And then later on down the line, I went and worked in community projects. So again, I could understand how you work with volunteers, because I knew this was going to take people power. And when you're asking people to dedicate a big chunk of their lives to doing something outside of paid work, you have to know what you're dealing with and how that needs handling and how you can work with people to achieve your goals. So yeah, I spent a lot of time doing that and then when COVID hit within a month or two, for me it was the shoving the test up the nose thing for this prolific virus that was going around something, I thought yeah this is it, this is the time. And prior to that obviously we had Trump come in and upset the apple cart somewhat. So we could see there was the light at the end of the tunnel that was coming at that point. So for me, I started off just trying to get a feel within the movement, if you like, as it started growing as to who's authentic, who's not, how can we work.And I'm a single parent of three kids.[5:24] So, and I was working full time at the time. So for me to start something, I'm not gonna lie, I sat back and thought someone will do it in a minute.Someone will do something in a minute. Yeah, just waiting. And it became apparent that no one was actually going to take the bull by the horns and do some things that needed to happen.So I decided to do it. And PHA just organically started to be developed. And from there, it's just we launched last April and it's gone bonkers. It's been insane.[5:53] Well, tell us, I understand your thinking when you sit back and you wait for something to happen and you realize nothing happens.That's why it's fun jumping in and actually doing something.And I think we both probably end up talking to people and they tell us about their dreams.And we guys say, well, we've been doing X and Y, so why don't you do Z?And it's too much bother.But you've, I mean, it's fascinating, the simply before we get into people's health and self, just the people on the website.So let me bring up the website and let people see what they will see when they go on.That's just what you will see when you go on the website.But you've got a great number of ambassadors and anyone who has Dr. David Cartland or Dolores Cahill certainly been with us before and many others.Tell us about that kind of networking and pulling those like-minded people into the plans and the projects you had.[6:55] Yeah, so it wasn't difficult actually. It was just natural connections that were made because I'm a networker, I'm a connector, I love speaking with other people who are genuine and authentic.And there was certain like Sam White was the first guy I connected with and I went and met with Sam.You know, what he's been put through is just revolting. It's disgusting that any individual who's trying to help other people should go through what he's been through.And Dave Cartland, as such, has had similar issues afterwards.So once we kind of got established, I felt it was important that these guys felt not only were they supported by the people across the UK who knew what was going on, but they have much to offer.And we're, as a core group of volunteers who started PHA, none of us are medically trained.And we wanted to ensure that we could bring across supporters and ambassadors for PHA who come from a variety of different backgrounds, because what we do is integrative. It isn't just medical, it isn't just allopathic. We do believe there's space for both. And in fact, it's essential.We adopt both methods moving forward. So I got to connect with Sam and Dave, and we've all become really good friends, genuinely, you know, really good mates now. You know, we message each other regularly. They're real people. They're real people with feelings, and real people with skills and the real people who've got drive to make a difference and that's what we found with the ambassadors we work with, they all are so driven.[8:20] To bring real change to how we look at health as well as supporting accountability for what's taken place. And so just one-to-one I connected with them. One thing I think that's really important is we just remain human and we just remain really genuine and authentic in who we are and I think people like that about what we're doing. There's no egos involved with PHA, there's no agendas involved with PHA, it is about producing for the people and every single one of the ambassadors we've got including Dr Kat Linley who's been profoundly supportive on the medical side.[8:53] We need these people to help you know get message out there and the trouble we've got Peter is the same old adage across the board within the movement too few do very much for so many and we'd love to get more ambassadors on board to help and as time allows we'll get to it.
 
I love that that networking side as you pointed out the last three years one of the massive plus points in the midst of the chaos has been meeting people, connecting with people, making those new relationships of people maybe wouldn't traditionally have crossed. But looking at the, on the website you talk about a future where Big Pharma no longer has control over us and I think a lot of us have questioned that power that is over us and controls every area of our lives and not just big pharma but you have their big everything there's so many institutions and organizations but maybe want to tell us what the need is for the People's Health Alliance in the midst of that.[9:57] And yeah so tell us kind of how PHA fits into what need it addresses.
Yeah one of the main reasons I wanted to get started was it was the when the government announced that the NHS staff might be mandated for vaccines. And so for me, I could see there are a lot of doctors and nurses who would eventually become uncomfortable with this and want to leave.Now we don't want to lose that skill set, that expertise, that knowledge. You know, people still need healthcare across the UK. But we knew there were going to be far less medical practitioners available initially, because so many have swallowed what they were told. So, and there's such a place for natural approaches to health, more holistic approaches to health. And these guys, these homeopathic doctors and nutritionists and so forth, the knowledge they have is absolutely profound but they've always been pushed into the shadows because Big Pharma can't make money, a huge amount of money off the back of more natural approaches to health and preventative approaches to health. So whilst you look at Big Pharma and it just seems overwhelming, It's like, how do we stop this?How do we stop them? They are so big.[11:03] Actually, we have the power to do it. But we can start small. If you go into your community as a practitioner and start working with the more holistic and natural approaches and certainly in a preventative way, over time, you're going to eradicate the need for big pharma quite a lot more.Also what we want to support is if there are local producers in the UK who do manufacture and produce pharmaceuticals, essential pharmaceuticals, that's great.But by bringing it back to smaller businesses, bringing it back to a more community based way of living, you eradicate the need for the big control mechanisms that are there.And with everything we do under the People's Alliance, it is about eradicating that central power source and bringing the power back to the people, back to communities.So whilst Big Pharma, it seems like they're massive and they have a hold on everything.What you do in your community on the daily will eradicate the need for these big conglomerates that currently have the control in place.But we don't need them.We don't need them. And the sooner people realize that and step into their power, we're going to see change start to happen.
Yeah, I think we've all seen the Big Pharma are not there to help us help our health.They're there to make profits for their shareholders.That's why they exist. But we see the NHS system collapsing, whether by chance or by design, and I'm still trying to work that out personally.But yeah, the NHS completely collapsed.[12:29] Is what you're doing trying to set up another NHS? How does it kind of, when people see that as the model they understand, how does PHA fit into that understanding?
So we're not trying to replace the NHS. Predominantly what we're doing is creating safety nets and a way to start moving forward.So, you know, I've always been a huge proponent of the NHS. My mum's an NHS nurse for over 30 years. They've saved my life twice.You know, I've been on rallies in the past many years ago to support the NHS. It isn't a crack at the NHS per se, but the NHS are not performing.People cannot access health care. And so whilst we're not in a position right now as PHA to address things like secondary and acute care, We can certainly support at that primary care level and create safety nets.Another thing I foresaw coming was the fact that people might lose faith in the NHS.[13:19] And actually might say, no, I'm not going to go and see my doctor.I'm not going to go and see anyone about this or refuse to see it.They've lost confidence. So actually, it's really essential we still all take care of ourselves.And there's incredible practitioners out there who certainly at that primary care level can support people within the community.And it's giving them an affordable way to access that. But the beauty of what we do here is no health hubs will look the same from each other.It isn't about us at core who are providing resources and the information and so forth.It's about what you need in your community. So every single health hub looks unique, it looks a bit different. And what we want to encourage is more of that old school.[13:59] For the GPs to come in and create a relationship with the people within their community. At the the moment it's cattle fodder, you're in and out, five minutes, job done. The amount of GPs I've spoken to who really don't like working that way.So PHA want to bring back the opportunity for practitioners to connect with their patients on a one to one level, get to know them and understand them and people genuinely receiving solid support and advice on what they can do and how they can take care of themselves at home.Without the need as Dave Cartland put it, GP's just going there's a pill for every year or crack on, you know, we want to move away from that.
 
Yeah and I completely understand, I've got friends who are, don't want to go to their doctor because they are concerned if you're maybe older or weaker, they're worried about being forced to have jabs, they're worried about being forced to have medication that they don't want to have, so I completely get that concern about actually going and that trust is completely gone. But how is it set up practically? How does it work? Is it purely education? Is it actually people setting up a system where people can get treatment? Explain kind of how it does work and what your vision is for moving forward.[15:12] Yeah, so like I said, every hub is unique. So for example, we've got 10 physical hubs open in the UK in 10 months, which actually is profound. And it isn't us at core. This is the people doing it and doing it with very, very little money.So each one looks different.So some have what they call drop-ins, whereby their practitioners dedicate a morning a week, for example, to being able to see patients within their community and it's free of charge or donation is asked for.Some hubs are set up whereby they've got practitioners available all day, every day, where you can make an appointment, but we've asked every hub to ensure that there are schemes available for those in the community who may be on a low income or poverty situation. So we don't have people missing out.[15:54] Each hub looks different. And there's a really, really good reason for that.And that is because it's about empowering people.It's not about us at Central controlling things. It's about empowering and supplying resources for each community to create what it wants.So each one will look different, but there'll be a plethora of different practitioners available in every hub.It could be nutritionists, a homeopath, a chiropractor, and so on and so forth.And they refer to each other, different patients, depending on what they are analysing within that, you know, what they're finding with that patient.And then they can refer it over to a colleague who might be more expert in that field.And quite often, GPs, as it stands, and you know, you can speak to Dave Cartland about this, the amount of training they get in nutrition, for example, is actually pathetic.Whereas we know gut health and good nutrition is such an integral part of our health overall.So these hubs work differently. You don't see GPs often referring to anyone who will take a common sense, natural approach, if I'm honest, whereas these practitioners are encouraged to do so and they do.We've even got some groups who are creating, buying buses.and they're going to go around their local community and stop certain days each week for a few hours so people can access them, particularly those in a rural environment.That is one of the beauties of this. It is about empowering people to make decisions for what their community needs and doing it together.[17:21] And it's happening. We've got 30 counties now involved. We've got 30 hubs set up that serve in the community.Even if they haven't got a physical hub, there's virtual hubs. There are, like I say, the bus option.Some people are going and hiring a village hall for two mornings a week and just having a drop-in[17:36] situation where people can come by. So each one looks different and actually we love that, because this really is for people to create what they need for their community. Not be dictated to by somebody who doesn't go to their community and doesn't understand what's there or what the issues are. This is about the people identifying what they need and stepping into their power and creating it for others within their area.
 
It's a very different, it's an approach, a holistic approach I guess. We've come to reassess a lot of things, but I think for me it dawned whenever you were told, go and get your jab and you can get a doughnut. Okay, so how is that going to improve? And there is absolutely no focus or emphasis on healthcare, on nutritional value, on exercise, on physically looking. It was all get a jab, off a substance, and will make you all better. But I mean, tell us about that integrative approach, that whole approach, that connecting so many things, because that is maybe it's going back to what it was traditionally.[18:41] Or maybe it's reassessing and a new model going forward. But yeah, I mean, tell us that kind of connect approach, because that again, it's a departure from our traditional understanding of the NHS or healthcare.[18:56] Yeah, no, absolutely. Common sense, common sense is something that's brought back in. You know, back a number of years ago, decades ago, you know, your nan and your mum that have a kitchen cupboard full of natural herbs and teas and things that you could use tinctures to support your health.And we know the preventative way is the ideal way forward, let's be honest.So we do a huge amount in terms of education. It's available on the website on kitchen cupboard type[19:25] medical healing things you can do and so on and so forth.But what, for example, our health optimization program, which is on our website, I mean, anyone can take it up with stages one and two, but what it is, it's to help deal with the injured.And we take a very natural approach. but actually we look at things like gut health, stress, sleep, all of these different areas that actually anyone can go and look at the health optimization program and take something from it that will help build your immunity, but it's based on a natural common sense approach.And everything in our bodies is interconnected. We know that. So we also supply non-medical options for dealing with injuries that have been proven to replicate what you can do with certain pharmaceutical items. So we very much try and take a natural approach across the board. But we also don't deny the fact that there are situations whereby people do need to have an allopathic approach to their health and we absolutely welcome that.[20:28] But in terms of that preventative approach, we all have a responsibility to do something for ourselves. We've been led down this road based on fear over a number of decades about our health.The government across the world and the pharmaceutical companies have done an excellent job in letting us know how brittle we are, how likely we are to break, you know, and actually[20:50] that isn't the case. If we change the way we live and this is why it has to be an all-round the clock approach to how we move forward as societies because you know you've got the economic side, of things that makes a difference to how people's health looks, the societal differences across the board depending on where you live, on what you can do with your health and actually no we need to get, I hate to use the word equity, equality if you like, across society to deal with this because you've got mental health, you've not just got your physical health, we've got masses we need to do.And we have to see societal changes and that starts in your community, that starts with you people out there. So yeah, that's the kind of approach we take, but we're not here to dictate, we're here to guide and educate.
 
I guess ideally you'd want a system where people financially put in. I mean, when you think of the American model, in theory, that should work where you have an insurance scheme where you have something you pay in because what we pay in in our taxes doesn't seem to get anything out for the NHS and that's no longer free at the point of service anyway.So ideally you want something where you have more and more people becoming, I guess, paid up members who you pay. We pay subscriptions for many services so I don't see why we shouldn't pay it for access to health and healthcare we can trust. I mean, is that where because everything needs funding to make it happen. So tell us about that side.[22:20] Yeah, so that's the more difficult side of it, if you like, but it doesn't need to be hugely difficult, but it's a mindset shift. That's the biggest challenge is the mindset shift. So, for example, I was interviewing Dr. Kat Lindley this week, that'll be out soon. And we were talking about different models that doctors who leave the NHS can take in opening up their own practice within their community.And one of the model that Kat works with is[22:43] her patients pay a it's a sliding scale depending on what age you are and you pay a certain amounts each month. Now what that does is give the doctors the security of the financial income but she just makes herself available 24 seven.She doesn't just give a pill for I mean she takes a very holistic approach to how she deals with her patients and you would put Kat in the GP category I suppose in the UK.But she will, like if they've got the sniffles, are you taking your vitamins? Have you created this soup? What about doing this? You know, very holistic approach. At hub level, the way it works for a lot of the hubs is they're doing it again as a memberships thing. So you pay x amount each month and each hub will work that out, but you pay x amounts each month and you then can access all of the practitioners, for example, or some work on an independent level and they will give discounts to people who are, you know, financially not in a strong position. But what we've got to wrap our heads around in the UK is we do pay for the NHS. We pay quite heavily for the NHS. And what you see within the NHS is a massive amount of waste, huge amount of waste. And on the salaries for middle management, it's just unreal. I mean, we've looked at it. And actually, we could probably provide healthcare across the board, primary, secondary and acute care, for probably about one tenth of what the NHS is costing us right now. It's astounding and so much is wasted.[24:08] But that's because of the centralisation. It's about central bodies dictating to hospitals what they can spend, where they can spend it, who they can buy from and so forth. And actually they have no idea what that community looks like and what it needs. They have no idea what the requirements are on a local level. And as such, you've seen a one size fits all across the board. And that doesn't work. It's proven it doesn't work. If each hospital had control over its own budgets, its own finances, its own way forwards, who they bring in, the employment and so forth. I think we see a very, very different situation, but we don't have it. And until the government lets go of that and takes the power back to the hospitals or the local regions to take care of themselves, you're going to carry on seeing wastage. So don't think you don't pay for the NHS, you do pay for the NHS.I'm not saying the NHS should go, but what I am saying is I would love to see a situation whereby our tax money was allocated to us as people to spend on healthcare as we see fit, rather than us being dictated to and where our money should go.[25:03] Yeah, and we've certainly seen over the last three years, not just destruction on the NHS, on our health service, but also on health, people's health.When you're told stay at home, don't get any exercise, you don't really want to visit your daughter, it has a massive negative effect and then get jab with experimental jabs, another impact on health.So what this is, is needed, I guess, more than ever that nothing is working.The health service system is not functioning and people's health is in a much worse place than it was.And then you've got crazy, crazy waiting lists. And then you've got a supposed phone call with a doctor who will then someone somewhere will tell you without actually seeing anyone.The whole system is broken. tell us that impact on I guess healthcare since COVID and then the response to that.[26:03] Yeah, I mean, it's been dire. It's been absolutely dire. And we're seeing obviously with injuries, increasing issues across the board. It's a very difficult time for people. And I understand why people are frightened, people are worried. But actually raising your hand and saying, I need help right now is the best thing you can do. But I think we also need to bear in mind, It's not just been the physical health impact, a massive issue is the mental wellbeing. I mean, I cannot[26:31] express heavily enough just how much of an impact has taken place, even on those that are awake and aware and have seen it of what it is. You know, it's added a massive mental strain. And one thing that we're doing is working with partners across the UK. One in particular, our mental wellbeing ambassador, a lady called Helen Gibson, is currently beta testing, train of trainers on mental health first aid. So we're going to deliver that across the UK and train people like secondary level practitioners and so forth in how to deliver mental wellbeing first aid. It's going to be profound. And as people wake up, which they will, as people wake up across the UK, what we want to do is avoid any risk of kind of societal collapse because people just don't know how to cope. They don't know how to move forward. And this has affected our young people as well. This is not just us adults, our young people have been affected. It's incredibly important that we put a huge amount of onus and focus on how we can heal people on the mental side of things, how we can work with them to support them through that.And we need people across every single community getting trained in mental wellbeing first aid so we can catch them when they fall. Because this is about us, don't let the division come into this.That we've all got to help each other. We know who the bad guys are. They're the ones who should be getting our[27:44] anger, I suppose we want a better word, but no, we've got to put some onus here, not just on the physical wellbeing, which needs a lot of work, but on the mental wellbeing as well.But again, it's about education, it's about taking it back to basics, it's about good nutrition, good sleep, good gut health, you know, really start to take care of yourself, taking the good vitamins that you need.All of that's on our website and it's going to keep building and keep building those resources and education.But there are specialists out there, there are experts out there in this field.Go and find your local practitioners on our directory, on our website, and reach out to them.And if money is an issue, the amount we speak to who say, just put a little donation of what you can or let's just work something out moving forward.I've got one lady who happily will see her patients with a dozen eggs or something else in return.So don't be put off by the fact that they are private practitioners.Reach out because I tell you what the ones I'm speaking to are incredibly generous and kind.We are all here to help each other and we mustn't lose sight of that.[28:49] Let me focus on that a little bit more because I remember talking to David the first time I interviewed him and realizing, I think it could have been actually after the interview, realizing that we need a separate system that actually offers healthcare for individuals.And I remember earlier on David mentioning the People's Health Alliance and I've seen a number of initiatives in the US, which are of course always well funded and they can make things happen.We are always working seemingly on a shoestring in the UK where you have the individuals, but not necessarily the finance. America sometimes did the finance before the individuals.But here in the UK, looking on the website, it's not just that you have a dozen or so, GPs or health professionals around the country, but actually you have pages and pages and pages.So, I mean, tell us more about it because what you're building isn't actually on the education side, isn't actually saying, well, if you follow this, you'll be better and we need that. But it actually is about giving that access.And that's something that is desperately needed. And I have been concerned that that maybe wasn't happening, but that is literally what you're doing on the ground.[30:13] Absolutely. One of the most overwhelming things that happened when we, well, prior to us actually launching, was we connected with literally hundreds of holistic practitioners. It could be people from a background in homeopathy, it could be reflexology, it could be nutrition, chiropractor, osteoporosis.So many actually cried with joy that we were doing this genuinely cried with joy because they have been forced into the shadows.They haven't been taken seriously. And these guys, there's doctors out there, naturopathic doctors who are immense.They trained in both allopathic and holistic approaches.You know, the knowledge base out there is phenomenal. And we wanted to give a platform to these guys who want to shine a light on it.They have so much to offer. And because of Big Pharma and, you know, the NHS approach and so forth, they haven't been given the opportunity. I think you can still get homeopathic treatments paid for through the NHS in Scotland, but you can't in the UK and yet you used to be able to. But that's been taken away now. And these guys are incredible, absolutely incredible. They have so much to give, they are so excited to be able to have a light shining on them now so they can show what they can do. You know, we've got some homeopathic doctors who are having incredible success with some vaccine injured, for example. You know, people underestimate what is available out there and the amount of doctors we're seeing like your Sam Whites and others that are coming out of the NHS and actually training[31:38] in a different holistic sphere. So we are now connecting with different colleges and education providers across the UK to get discounts for people through PHAs. So if you're a doctor you want to leave the NHS, maybe you want to take a more holistic approach to how you treat your patients.You've still got the allopathic knowledge there, you're still able to access that, but maybe you want to understand more.[32:00] On the holistic side. So we're keen to get doctors and nurses trained up should they want it in different holistic practices. So it gives them a broader spectrum and knowledge as well as what other practitioners they can do when they refer. You know we want to give as many doctors the options as we can and nurses to get involved with it. But yeah it's been, it's not easy on the financial front because we ask for donations from the public. Great people are very kindly donating, we've got the power of the pound campaign where we ask people to donate one pound a month ongoing, you know, we're very realistic as to what's going on out there and what people are up against. But yeah, we haven't, in all honesty, we haven't sourced big funding, we haven't gone after big donors at this stage, we do need to do that. But as with everything, it's still relatively speaking, a small skeleton crew that are driving PHA forward. And there's so many hours, only so many hours in the day. But we're not here about big conferences, big marketing budgets, this sort of stuff, we could have ploughed money into that, but we're not, we're ploughing it back into functionality. And we want to plough more back into getting hub doors open. We've got so many hub groups this far away from opening their doors. And it might just be that financial thing, it could be just five grand they need to just flick the switch and be able to get live. So if anyone out there is in a position to donate, please kindly do. We are very transparent with where money is spent.[33:22] We are very frugal. And that's probably down to me. I've been a single mum for 25 years. You watch where every single penny goes and you use it in the most optimum way to have the biggest impact. So yeah, finances are difficult but we're not going out there getting money from Big Pharma. Integrity is key and we tend to lead by example.
Let me just show people where, because I didn't actually believe it until I was looking through your website. Many people talk about what's possible and give you a great spiel, then you realise the substance doesn't actually back it up. But if people go on to the website and click on the practitioners, you can get a map, you can put in your details. And as you can see, it is a lot of... We could go one by one, we could take maybe a few hours, literally, you can scroll down and people are there. So people could just go, they can put in their postcode and I looked and there are a number near me actually, just did a search while we've been speaking. But people can go, they can put in their postcode, they can put in their area and they can see and they can contact someone directly. Is that how it works?[34:40] Yep, absolutely. So we are just updating the hub list, which will be live hopefully by the end of the weekend. We're actually updating the whole website at the moment as we've worked out better ways for us to work. So and bear in mind, the majority of everything done through PHA is done by volunteers. And so that's why this is such a phenomenal success People aren't here making bundles of money. This has been done by the will of the people. But yes, you can go onto the map, go and look up a practitioner, you might have a particular modality that you're looking for, for example, you know, you might want to find a nutritionist. So you can go and find who is in your area, we make no promises, we make no, you know, anything outside of that. Because one thing that's happened as well, we want to encourage is people to figure things out for themselves. For so long, we've been spoon fed intentionally, we've been spoon fed on how we need to work our lives, who we need to go and see how things should be. And we're breaking the mould here, we're saying no, think for yourself, Find out what works for you.So we're doing lots and lots of Zooms and round tables with various members from different modalities.So people can start to learn, well, what's the difference between this and that type of modality?What works for me? It's about choice. It's about option. It's about you deciding what you need, not being told what you need, but you deciding what works for you.And we want to encourage that. And the practitioner directory is a great place to start.These guys, they've been checked.[36:03] We know they're legitimate, but it's over to you. It's over to you to take control of your health, be responsible for your health and use these practitioners to support you on your health journey.And, you know, one day we might have to come into secondary and acute care, but hey, we can start with primary care now because it's not costing us bundles of money that we don't have.But yeah, there's bigger plans. But unfortunately, we're going to need money for that and that time will come.
And what you're doing is needed. It's not just a one off thing, supposedly in the last few years of chaos and then it goes back.There is no going back to normal. This is the normal where we have seen actually some of the institutions as being against us, as being the enemy. And it's quite weird when you think that of the government, of the police, of the legal system, of the health system, not actually for you or working with you, but they're there for others. But so what you're doing is, is long term. It's not just, you know, over the last few years with COVID, well, we needed something, but now we're getting back to normal so we can just go back to the systems that we once trusted.They're gone. They're not there anymore. So what you're doing is for the long term.[37:18] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We have to all understand that we are going to need to create new ways forward, be that health, be that food production, be that education, be it local politics, alternative media. There are so many ways people can be empowered and helping to create the new. And as we're watching the old crumble, it's very important we start putting those safety nets into place because what we don't want to see is people full of fear, people full of worry that actually what now, the NHS is crumbling? What do I do? What do I do? Don't worry.All right, you've got the NHS still, it is still there, but it isn't necessarily a sustainable model right now.We're building for the future, not just us, other groups across the world.There's incredible authentic grassroots groups across the world doing fantastic work.And a lot of those will be highlighted on my new podcast. But, you know, there are community groups out there already doing it.[38:09] PHA has had such an impact that we've got hubs open in Australia, New Zealand.I mean, those two countries have been absolutely flying along.They're already open.They're working in less than six months. It's astounding. We've got groups opening up now in Portugal, Spain.Canada's not far away. It's really taken hold. And I think the reason it works so well is because we are not dictating what you should do.We're supplying you with bundles of information, resources, ideas, blueprints, all the rest of it, for you to go and create what you need.We've got a few very simple principles. We ask people to buy buy, like do no harm, for example.Very, very simple, but key ones.And it's over to you. You can do this. Don't think for a minute.You're only being told you can't do it by either your own mind or the government.Don't listen. You are more than capable of doing it and we need to build the future.And PHA is a solid part of that.[39:02] And the community action, the community hubs, it's going back to what it traditionally was and not just during COVID where we were told, stay away from each other, that people are bad.And therefore put that massive divide and destroyed any interaction and connections that people have.I mean, that kind of moving away, that losing connections with your neighbour or family or friends, that's been happening anyway, but COVID certainly has sped that up.So I guess it is essential and important that these community hubs go in place because they will provide that.I mean, when you go to your GP, you go there, you feel as though you're going to get more sick because the people you look around you and you just want to get out of there. So it's in and out.Again, what you're talking about with community hubs, with those networks is somewhere where you go for just more than actually to fix your health issue.It's about those connections and networking.
Yeah, I mean, we're connected to groups like the pharmacy cooperative.So on the PFA side, they're one of our partners.We are connected with some community assemblies. We've connected with a lot of groups across the UK.[40:13] And some of these guys are creating community hubs whereby there's an education element.They've got a PHA hub in there.They've got a PFA side to it or cooperative side to it, where the food's concerned for local food production.I mean, these hubs are becoming quite serious now, you know, and they are going to become the heart of communities and you're absolutely right, we're just producing a blueprint now actually[40:35] with our teams to create youth hubs across the UK and some of these will be adopted by the community hubs. Now our kids have had a tough time, you know, really I can't express enough how much we need to start doing for our young people to support them through it from the mental, physical and spiritual side of their own well-being and these youth hubs are going to be absolute lifesavers for some kids. You know, we've got a lot of young carers out there as it is. I think with the injuries, we're going to see more young carers coming to the fore. We need to take care of our children.And so these youth hubs will be educational. There'll be an escape, a safe escape for kids to go to. At the moment, you go to the park, young kids. What else is there? What really else is there?Screens. Screens. And we've seen the damage that can be caused by a number of social media apps and and so on and so forth. So we want to create environments for the communities to grow, to heal, to benefit on all levels and that includes our young people and these community hubs are going to become an essential part of building the new and moving forward together. Like you say, we've been ostracized from our neighbours and encouraged to have that distance intentionally. I don't believe for a second this is accidental, this is intentional. So you either let them win that or.[41:46] You say no, I'm actually going to go out there and connect with my neighbours, I'm going to go and and see my elderly neighbour who gets no visitors and have a cup of tea.I'm gonna go and look after the garden of my elderly neighbour who can't do it for herself.And hey, what, we'll grow some food for her and ourselves.There are a million different ways you can support the people in the community.Don't think for a second government to come into the rescue.They are not, certainly not the current government we've got.So we either sit back and wait for some sort of white horse that doesn't seem to be arriving, or we get off our butts and we do it for ourselves.And that's what we do. That's what other community groups do.That's it, our partners and affiliates that we work with encouraging people within their community to take back their power, step into it and support each other.[42:24] Yeah there's no one coming to help, it's us or no one. As we finish you dropped in some other things and maybe you can finish letting the people know what they are. You mentioned your podcast, you've mentioned PFFA which is the People's Food and Farming Alliance. I know we've talked before about the Vote Freedom Project, do you want to just touch on those to give us a flavour of what they are and what people should expect.
 
Yeah, absolutely. So because my heart[42:56] ultimately, historically has been in agriculture and farming, that's where I started my awakening and it's still an issue now. In fact, it's a more of an issue than it's ever been before. So we formed the People's Food and Farming Alliance last September. There's three strands to that of where we support through resources, education, that's grow your own, community growing groups and then farmers and producers. Now the grow your own is self-explanatory through community growing groups. We're connecting with groups out there, groups out there doing it.They are absolutely flying along and we've shown blueprints and models and we continue to do so, how you form a community growing group, why it's important and we connect with partners like the Pharmacy Cooperative and others in order to deliver logistical support in making that happen.We also have a partner like the Open Food Network which can be found on our website where they plot every single producer shop individual who produces food or food products for people across the UK, across the world actually. So you can go and find, similar to our directory, you can go and find who's local to you and you can start sourcing directly. And then the other side of it is supporting farmers and producers in very practical common sense ways through new accreditation systems, on-site butcheries, on-site feed mixes and so forth, because what we need to do is we need to take out the big controlling mechanisms which are the conglomerates and do it for ourselves.So, PFFA is about finding common sense solutions and getting them out there again into the communities.[44:19] We've also now got my podcast All Hands on Deck. That's now just starting off. And what that is, is to give a platform to those community groups and those individuals across the UK who are already making a difference. But they haven't got a big marketing budget. They haven't got a big way of communicating with the world. But that people need to know and be inspired by what is actually already going on. These are the heroes of the grassroots. These are the guys out there, not doing a song and dance about it, they're getting their heads down and getting it done.So if you're that's all just starting off now we've got a few episodes already up that's all hands on deck.[44:50] And the final thing that I'm working on is I've connected with a few people we've produced, we've just started the Vote Freedom project. Now what this is, is actually for me personally very essential. I don't have any faith in any party politics anymore. We've got MPs and would-be MPs across the country who are dictated to by their political party. They have to abide by certain rules, they could be influenced by donors, they could be influenced by the whip. What we want to to see is 650 freedom-loving MPs standing up in the Houses of Parliament in come 2024, who are there to just represent their constituents. A lot of reasons potential candidates go to the parties is because they need the support in terms of standing, the bureaucracy, the paperwork, dotting the i's, crossing the t's, the campaigning and so forth. The Vote Freedom Project will help do that with you.If you are genuinely, authentically looking to stand and support freedom for people across the UK, we'll support you through that so you can stand as an independent and that's what the Vote Freedom Project is all about.
 
Okay so it's all hands on deck and looking at the PFFA and that's just you put FF there instead of the H and Vote Freedom Project. All the links will be in the description whether you're watching or listening to the podcasting apps. Katherine thank you so much for coming on it's really exciting what's happened as I said I first heard it from David Cartland and it's exciting to see when something moves from an idea to actually rolling it out and it's happening.So thank you for coming on today and sharing what's happening.[46:20] Thank you so much for having me, Peter. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Not at all. Thank you and thank you to our viewers and listeners for tuning in.Do make use of all the links in the descriptions and we will see you very soon for our next interview.So thank you and goodbye.

Tina Descovich - How Moms for Liberty is Empowering Parents to Reclaim Education

Moms for Liberty have really put themselves on the map in two short years. Parents have been crying out for an organisation that helps them mobilise a common sense opposition to an increasingly woke education establishment and to connect like minded concerned families. Moms for Liberty founder, Tina Descovich joins us to discuss how it started and how they have grown all over the US to become the most visible group that stands up for parental rights at all levels of government and how this could be replicated in the UK and elsewhere.Join us this episode to be inspired and please share with all the moms, dads, grands, aunts, uncles and friends out there! Tina Descovich has a long record of fighting for students and parental rights in Florida and at the national level. She was elected to the Brevard County, FL school board in 2016. She was selected by her peers in 2017 to serve as Vice Chairman and Chairman in 2018. While on the school board she was a member of The Florida Coalition of School Board Members and served as the organization’s president in 2018. Tina currently serves on several non-profit boards in her community that are aimed at helping children. She and her husband Derek have five children. She is passionate about America and is dedicated to protecting liberty and freedom for the future of all children.Moms for Liberty are Moms, Dads, Grands, Aunts, Uncles and Friends.They welcome all that have a desire to stand up for parental rights at all levels of government.The founders are Tiffany and Tina, moms on a mission to stoke the fires of liberty. As former school board members, they witnessed how short-sighted and destructive policies directly hurt children and families. Now they are using their first-hand knowledge and experience to unite parents who are ready to fight those that stand in the way of liberty. Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government. Their vision is to see Americans empowered and thriving in a culture of Liberty.Moms for Liberty are joyful warriors who stand for truth, build relationships and empower others.Connect with Tina...TWITTER: https://twitter.com/TinaDescovich?s=20Connect with Moms for Liberty...WEBSITE: https://www.momsforliberty.org/TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Moms4LibertyFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/Moms4LibertyYOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2H19eKURyI364Q3Rv-o_5gInterview recorded 22.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up, this time with Tina Descovich from Moms for Liberty. We followed Moms for Liberty for quite a while. I bumped into her at an event over stateside a few weeks ago and it is really exciting what has been happening there.In two years they have grown all across the US, over 100,000 members with 270 chapters, groups all across America engaging with school boards, with schools and getting 270 or something people elected onto school boards. Really exciting. We talk about why they're there, why they're needed, their engagement with political figures. Obviously they started in Florida and you've got Governor Ron DeSantis who's a governor who understands that children must be protected from these ideologies and cannot be sexualised. So talk about how working in a state which understands that to working in states that maybe don't get that and where it's more uphill battle, mention the church and churches engagement with this issue and whether they need to become international. They've done so much in two years and it's an example to us in other countries at what can be done here where we are. So I know you'll enjoy listening to Tina as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
Tina Descovich, thank you so much for joining us today.[1:51] Glad to be here. Thanks for having me, Peter.
 
Not at all. Tina is co-founder of Mums For Liberty.All the links are in the description. MumsForLiberty.org and you can find her on her Twitter handle @TinaDescovich.And were going to talk about Mums For Liberty and I think I look back and you were first selected to a school board 2016. So you've been kind of involved in that whole area of engagement with our children, which we'll discuss why many parents don't. But tell us how you first got involved in that school board back in 2016.
Easy enough. I have two kids at home at the time in public schools. You know, I first got engaged, like most people do, volunteering in the classroom, things of that nature. As my oldest reached middle school, I started paying more attention to what was being brought home in the curriculum and being taught and started seeing some concerning things about American history.[2:50] Started asking more questions. And then here in Florida, in the United States, they passed some law that expanded testing for children. And it was just some absurd law. It was like it was being interpreted wrong locally also. And so school districts were creating these standardized tests, that all students were going to have to take for every grade level in every class. So it was like a massive stressful standardized test for kindergartners to take gym and art. And it was really ridiculous.And so I went down and I thought, you know, I talked to the school board and they're like, And it's not us. We didn't do it. It's the state's fault. And so I called my local representative, and he agreed to meet with me.And I went down there, and he said, we didn't do that. And I said, yes, you did.Let me show you the testing schedule from our district. And he was surprised.And to make a really long story short, the whole law, the policy, the way it was out on the road was changed within 30 days.And it really empowered me, just as an average mom that had a concern, it showed me that I could make a difference.A little bit of action, a few phone calls, and taking time to explain to people what's going on, I could really make a difference in education, in government, in all kinds of ways.So when the seat came open in 2016 in my area to run for school board, by then I had all kinds of issues I was concerned about in the school district.I decided to throw my hat in the ring and run for school board and won my election in 2016.[4:19] Tell us, two years ago you co-founded Moms for Liberty and you've grown rapidly in numbers and in recognition of what you're doing.[4:31] It seems as though looking from far away here in the UK at what you're doing there that many parents were just waiting for an organisation like what you've set up for them to belong to and be part of. Is that a fair assessment?[4:47] I would say 100%. We were watching parents as COVID was happening and schools were staying closed, and parents were trying to go to school board meetings to speak out, to ask for schools to be open, to change how the classes were being streamed into their homes or to talk about forced quarantining of healthy children. You know, most everyone saw they would get their mics shut off. School boards were closing doors and not allowing them in to speak. They were changing their speaking times from three minutes to one minute or 30 seconds or not allowing them to speak at all. And it was really a problem for a lot of parents in this country. And so, you know, we kind of looked, I say we, Tiffany Justice is the other co-founder of Moms for Liberty, and she also served on a school board in Florida from 2016 to 2020. And we have the same experiences. And so when we came off of our terms in 2020, and we kind of were having some conversations and looking at what was was going on, we thought, we know how to help these people really advocate, how to articulate what their concerns are and how to really make change.And so we launched Mom's for Liberty here in Florida. Our goal, we launched January 1, 2021.And our goal was just to kind of be in Florida, help parents in Florida advocate.That's what we knew. In two weeks, we got a call from Long Island, New York.[6:04] Mom said, I really want to start a chapter. I need one here.And I called Tiffany, and I'm like, I don't know anything about education in New York.In the United States. It's very different from state to state, the laws and how education is run and who has authority and control. And so I just said, I don't know anything about it. And she said, Tina, this really isn't about me and you. This is a movement and parents need this tool to be able to organize to make change. And so we said, okay, sure, we can do New York. And now here we are a little over two years and we have 270 chapters in 44 states and 115,000 moms that are actively[6:37] fighting on the ground.
 
How do you connect with that? Is it mainly through the website? You provide resources? I mean tell us how you actually pull that together and make sure those members have, I guess, the tools they need to actually stand up and engage with their school.
We started with no money. We started with $500 that I put forward and I bought some t-shirts that said Moms for Liberty and sold them for a 50% or 60% profit so that I could then build up enough to buy a new computer. I was thinking about it this morning actually, you know, the back bedroom $500 box of t-shirts and a 10-year-old Mac computer is what I designed our logo on and what I built our website on and it would just spin and spin and it was so painful and I remember being so excited when we finally had enough money to buy me a new computer so that I could make some of our graphics.Anyway, I digress a little bit. We worked on our website and social media. We used as a tool to[7:37] connect and recruit people. We have private Facebook groups that we would kind of meet in by chapter. But really, as we've grown, we are very well structured. We're organized by county.We have a chapter chair in each county. They register as a legal entity of Moms for Liberty.They meet in monthly chapter meetings, live meetings they're required to if they launch a chapter to actually have physical meetings where people show up.And they have an agenda to follow. They put together an agenda and it always includes reviewing what the school board is doing in your local community.And so we make sure you get eyes on that. And honestly, the minute anybody looks at a school board agenda, there's all kinds of things to stand up for and fight.So there's plenty, there's plenty there to do. We have monthly meetings via Zoom nationally where all the leaders of each organization get on and that's where we do a lot of our training.We've been traveling to states and doing state leadership trainings now that we've grown so much. And then annually we have our National Summit, which is just a, I can't even explain what our National Summit is like.We have 30 breakout sessions of training from everything, how to run from school board, how to run a campaign to issues like gender ideology, critical race theory that are facing us. We bring in experts. It's just, it's an amazing time. So that's going to be the summer in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And we're really looking forward to that.[8:58] What, what was it that kind of started you on this road? Was there a particular issue? Because now we're seeing a whole mass of issues which are impinging on, I guess, parents' right to parent and the state is pushing a lot of things that many, many parents are massively concerned about. But for you, was it a certain topic that you'd seen or a paper you'd seen that sparked off, you need to get involved?
 
So I, when I ran first for school board, one of the four key things I ran on was parental rights because I saw then that there were real concerns about school districts and higher levels of government making decisions that parents should be making about their children.[9:43] And it was the trend was not was not in parents favour of how that was going.Once I served on school board, I learned so many other things.And I can speak for Tiffany, my co-founder, because we have the same story when we say this.Once we served on school board, we saw not only the entities like school districts and state and local governments making decisions on behalf of children that parents should be making.We saw how much power teachers unions have in making decisions on behalf of children and families.And it was, it wasn't a pretty sight. Neither one of us liked it. We had to try to, and when you're serving on a school board, you can't push back against the teachers union. It's your job to be impartial. It's your job to bring everybody to the table for negotiations.There's it's really a complicated situation and you are ultimately the judge if there if the whole process goes to impasse And the district is fighting over salary with the union.[10:35] You're you have to be an impartial judge and act at that capacity So you're really cut your hands are tied on the work you can do in that area, So, you know once I was no longer on the school board I was able to I guess sing like a bird about about how government entities are stepping on parental rights and how unions are are really have way too much power in public education for a very long time.And so those are the things we focus on. Our mission, I'm not sure if I've stated that yet with you, but our mission at Moms for Liberty is to save America by unifying, educating, and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.It's a very specific mission. We stay laser focused, and I think that's why we are so successful.We have a very clear understanding that once you lose your right to raise your children, how you see fit, once someone else is able to make decisions on your behalf that you are just adamantly against, all is lost.Like your family's lost, your community's lost, and for us, America will be lost.
I think one of the strap lines used a lot is we do not co-parent with the government.I love that, because that...Makes you step back as a parent and think, well, that's true.Well, what right of the government?Because I think we have, in many countries in the West, we have entrusted our government too much and trust that they will do the right thing because you think the best of others.But I love that strap line. Would you not co-parent with the government?[12:04] Yeah, Tiffany first, I think, said that before Mom's Liberty was even born.She said it on her school board in a school board meeting one time.And so she brought that to the organization.We picked up on it. Our best-selling shirt for the first year was, we don't co-parent with the government shirt.We still have signs, and we use that, because it really defines what we're trying to say.And when we speak about it, we say, I will partner with my kids' teachers, 100%.We want to partner to help my child to be educated and be a better person.But we do not co-parent. You are not the parent. You're not the final say.I'll partner with you to make things better, but the final say is me.
And I think all it does, we talk about the culture wars. There are a lot of conversation about that.And it does boil down to actually the next generation. It boils down to children, it boils down to education.And I think what you're doing is getting to the root of that where often you will see different organizations trying to fight the fires.And it's interesting what you're doing because you are trying to get to the roots of where the issue is, which is educating our children, as only when that can be solved, then we can actually begin to win this.So yeah, I think what you're doing is central in regards to that.[13:22] In America, our NAEP scores, which are global test scores, came out last year.And America's scores were dismal at best.We have the worst reading scores that we've had since the 1980s and the worst math scores that we've ever had in the United States of America.Something is terribly wrong with our education system. People have known it instinctively for a while.Nobody's been able to really articulate the problem or, you know, hasn't just just haven't done a good job at articulating the problem.And then what we saw in 2020 with a lot of riots in our cities, a lot of racial tensions happening, it became even more clear, like, something is really, what is happening?People just couldn't quite figure out, how do we get here? How do we get to Antifa rioting in our streets?And how did this happen?And Tiff and I were like, we know how this happened. And so again, how do you stay silent?How do you go home and just take your kids and make dinner when you know you have the answer?And it's unfortunate.It's unfortunate. Our schools in America are so focused on social justice.They're so focused on all these issues that have nothing to do with reading and writing and arithmetic.And it's showing, it's showing in the test scores. It's showing in the riots in the streets.And what our chapters have found when they've really dug into curriculum, and assignments that have come home.[14:51] Is that there's a lot of anti-American rhetoric in our curriculum that we're teaching children.So why are there riots in the streets? Well, for the last 20 years or so, there's been anti-American curriculum.And so the students are getting these messages in public schools for 12 years that America is systemically bad, that our systems are broken, and the only way to fix them is to break them down completely and rebuild them.Parents don't believe that. That's not what I was taught in school.It's not what I believe now.And yet I send my child off and they're being taught that for 12 straight years.And so that's why there's riots in the streets.[15:27] We have exactly the same where children are taught to hate British life, British culture, British history, British empire, that's all bad and there's a rush to rewrite it. And that focus is really strange. I guess back in the day, if you look back other generations, people got involved in teaching. People wanted to be teachers because they wanted to make sure schools were doing well in arithmetic and writing and reading and there was a focus on that.[15:58] You sit back and look at it, how has that changed from you say it is now a focus on social justice and away from the basic building blocks which it's always been, teachers wouldn't really have brought their opinions in necessarily, it was simply to make sure the children could do the best at those, the three R's we call them, reading, writing, arithmetic.How has it changed so massively from that focus?
 
There's a couple answers I think here.One is the teaching colleges have, I don't think a lot of our teachers recognize that these are opinions that they're teaching.This is what they've been taught. That's why I say this has been going on for decades for us to get where we are.[16:44] It's what they were taught in school now. We're a generation behind.And then it's in the textbooks and curriculum that's handed to them.And why would they think any different?And so I can really see a glaring difference between older, really well-seasoned teachers right now and the new teachers that are coming in.And the new teachers, they're the ones coming straight into the classroom and saying, and they think they're being open-minded.They think they're being more inclusive and more accepting. But the new teachers that are coming out say, please tell me which pronoun you would like to be known by, you know, and the older teachers were like, it's a boy or a girl, I'm not doing this game. And unfortunately, the older teachers are starting to retire and all of our teachers are being replaced with the ones that just came out of teaching college that were taught the right thing to do on day one, the fair and the just thing to do is really ask their pronouns, not only on the day one, but every morning because know, they can change from day to day.[17:44] We've had a massive push on that. We've had a situation which has exploded, which is the biggest gender reassignment clinic for children here in the UK, which has now been shut down.Tavistock has now been shut down. In March, there are up to a thousand parents who are taking the government to court over it.But again, I'm thinking, when I look at it kind of politically, that's all happened under, in the UK, a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years. And it's curious because you used to think a conservative government used to conserve, used to keep those traditions, and yet, a lot of this confusion has happened under them. And as much as I think I would like to lay it at the feet of the left, of Biden, of the left of the UK. It seems to be that a lot on the[18:44] supposed right have also become confused and afraid to stand up for what is right. Is that kind of what you've seen as well?
 
Yeah, they're not confused. They are afraid. So, and I do lay this at the feet of the left. Absolutely. That's been their agenda. They are the the ones pushing it and they are the ones that have had a plan for decades to change and reform society into this. And it is working. What you can blame the conservatives for and the average American or British citizen that just wants to get up in the morning, go to work, come home, have dinner with your family, just average normal people is they don't want to be called a bigot. They don't want to be called a homophobe. They don't want to be a hateful person. And who does? Nobody wants to be that. And most conservatives, at least in America are just like, nice, mind to themselves, maybe go to church on Sundays, just want to spend time with their family. They don't want to be attacked on social media as a bigot.And so they think, well, I'll just be quiet, let them do them, and I'll do me and it'll be fine. But they have pushed so far, so far now that we can't just let them do them. It's not even happy. It's like they're not even happy. Let them do them. They're infiltrated our classrooms, whole states here in the United States, comprehensive sex ed, I don't want to make a leap on you, but it includes gender ideology.Whole states here, state of New Jersey, has adopted that for all the students in the state of New Jersey.So that means pre-K through third, by the end of second grade, I think.[20:09] Which here is like, what, five, six, seven year olds, they have to understand the gender identities and that it can be fluid.[20:16] That's not you do you and I do me. That's you pushing what you believe in your ideologies on me and my family and my kids. And that's why the final line in the sand for us, we're here, we're at it, we're moms.And boy do our moms take the heat and the criticism. I mean, just go on our social media right now and look at the comments.I delete the ones that have profanity or are really obscene, but I leave most of them up.And they just call you all hateful, hate monger, bigot. I leave those up.And it doesn't feel good, especially and it's your local community, it's your neighbours calling you that, but it's time to stand.[20:51] I think it was, I looked at your Wikipedia page, which isn't always the wisest thing, but I did have to laugh. It said, many have described Moms for Liberty to be an extremist group and they've been designated as a hate group. And I'm wondering, what is hateful or extremist about wanting the best for your children?
 
You know, it's actually been upgraded. It used to to say Moms for Liberty is an extremist hate group.And now somebody invested it to say many have called them as.I'm like, oh, well, at least they know. It's getting better.The Wikipedia page used to be really, really bad. The first time I read it, I was like, oh, my heck.But I don't know how all that works. They have people that keep submitting, and I don't have time to deal with it.So it's just, I'm thankful that it's a little better than it was.But yeah, do I look like an extremist?Am I a hate group? Do I hate anybody? No.It's not even how I function in life. And most of our moms are that way.We call ourselves, I was looking for my joyful warrior hat.We call ourselves joyful warriors at Moms for Liberty. We're gonna fight like that, but we're gonna do it with a smile on our face because this is serious business, but we don't want our kids seeing us angry and miserable and hateful.
Oh, that's a good way to look at it.[22:03] You looked at, tell us about kind of how states work. Cause here in the UK, our model is really, you've got within the whole of England, it's generally the same.You've got local education authorities, which would be smaller kind of areas, and they decide, and they're quite difficult to actually get into and find out what they're putting it out.In the US, you've got a clear demarcation, I guess, and more visible, which is state by state.Tell us how, kind of how much it does differ by states.[22:37] I have a question for you really fast. Are your school leaders in an area, are they elected or appointed?
So we have again, completely different and I have watched the school board meetings with jealousy, a lot of jealousy and envy because we don't have that. We have a small school board of governors and small, you may have maybe half a dozen, But it's not really talked about or publicized.And I know the school one of my children are at. They say, well, there's a five-year waiting list.And it's kind of more cloak and daggers. And it's not really out there where what you do is open.And people can see it. They can engage with it. So here the parents vote.But it's not that well known or publicized.[23:25] Sounds like you need some Moms for Liberty chapters in the UK to liven this up. So here, this is a hard topic for me to talk to you in another country about because I am so passionate about America's form of government. I think it's the best there is, and so I don't want to come off as arrogant or offensive to the British form of government, but I don't know exactly how it works.
Doing what you've done in two years, go for it. Say what you like.
I love our form of government. So first of all, our federal constitution, it basically says that if it's not written in this document, the authority belongs to the states. And so the federal constitution doesn't talk about education. So from day one when America was born, when we broke away from you all, education belonged to the state or even more local, actually. But in[24:23] in modern America, the states have really taken a priority on that.And it looks different from state to state, which is also fascinating to watch how it's set up, how it's structured.But the one thing that's the same and it's truly American is that school boards are elected except for one state, Hawaii.Hawaii appoints their school board for the whole state.And we're working on that because that is a problem for me. That is not American. And so you elect your school board members and the laws and policies that states have put in place.It's just beautiful. I mean, here where I live,all of the curriculum, when you adopt a textbook, you have to put it out publicly for two public school board meetings. You have to notify in your local paper that there's a book that's about to be adopted for your district. You have to stop the meeting, hit the gavel and say, because I was chair of our school board, is there anyone here tonight that wants to speak about this book we're about to adopt? You know, there's much more formal language than that. And you have to pause and then, you have to ask again. By law, you have to ask twice, is there anyone here? And you have to open up the microphone and let them complain all they want or support all they want the books you're about to adopt into a school district. And it's like that all across the country. So our form of government is set up for parents to be 100% involved and drive education in your local community.[25:38] However, I served on a school board. Parents did not take advantage of that, not the four years I was there. And so, you know, I would put out, we're about to adopt a textbook and I will tell you the room would be empty. And, you know, I would put it out on social. I would shout from the rooftops, We're about to adopt a history textbook.I'm just a school board member. I don't have time to review 12 years of history textbooks for every grade level before I adopt them. I need the community to be involved.I need parents to be doing this. And so it's one of the reasons we created Moms for Liberty the way we did.Now we have 115,000 moms and parents around the country that are taking the time to review these things.And they can give the feedback to their school board members.At a very minimum, they're being good citizens. They're participating in the process.And so yes, when you say you're jealous watching the school board meetings, I understand because I love it.It is, that's my like theatre. That's my Hollywood, watching school board meetings.
And you're obviously in a state, Florida, that has taken this seriously. We heard De Santis, I heard him speak the first time the other week over there in Miami talking about what he is doing, his track record, and you sit back and you think, wow, it's impressive he gets it. Tell us about that political engagement, because as you say, some states get it and some states don't.[27:00] Governor DeSantis has gotten it pretty much from the beginning, at least from Moms for Liberty. So when we first launched in 2021, a lot of the districts in Florida were still force masking children. And we were looking at some other countries that weren't doing that and, you know, just our own gut instincts. And my son, who was struggling with mental health issues, and it's just, it wasn't a good fit for him. And so we just, we had, we knew a lot of moms were just really frustrated with this, that they didn't get to decide if their child was going to wear a mask or not.And so our moms, you know, they bought their first Mom's Liberty t-shirt and they would make homemade posters and they would kind of like stalk Governor DeSantis.They would show up, if he was speaking about the economy, they would show up across the street in their shirts and their signs and it would say, get these masks off our kids, Governor DeSantis.And we had political operative type people tell us that is not the way to engage with the governor.It's not the way to engage politically. You guys are never going to be successful, but you try telling a mom that she can't do that, and so everywhere he travelled around the state, our moms were showing up with these signs.And it wasn't because we told them to, It's just because[28:04] they needed to tell the governor that he needed to help them because their school districts were not listening. And, you know, Governor DeSantis took that in. He would look, see the signs, and then lo and behold, there was some press conference where he was like, uh-uh, no more of this. Parents don't want this. And so he does that time and time again. He listens. He listens to the people on the ground and what they're saying, and then he takes action.And for me, I haven't seen that in the political world happen very often. And so we in Florida are very blessed and at Moms for Liberty we have been so thankful for all he has done to fight for parents.[28:37] And can school boards push back? So they're pushing back maybe what's happening in different states and in Florida it will be easier because you have a administration or government within the state that is more understanding of that and will be just as shocked I guess. But what happens happens if it's a state that, God forbid, anyone is living on the West Coast in California, and it's more difficult there. Do the school boards still have the authority if the parents are there involved to push back on it, or is it much more of an uphill battle depending on the state?
It is definitely much more of an uphill battle depending on the state, because state laws oftentimes direct what's going on at the school district level. In New York, for example, our chapters are really struggling. I mean, they're looking at forced vaccinations, you know, adding new vaccinations that they don't want their children to have. And the state[29:36] would make that law. And once they do, the school districts have to comply. In Florida, school districts derive their power from our state constitution. And so the state kind of trumps authority on most education issues. You know, they don't have the time, the energy or the patience to carry out all the laws and such that they vote in and enact. That's the job of the school board. So when you're elected to the school board position, you actually swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution, which outlines a lot of the education laws, statutes, and policies.[30:10] But it's different from state to state. In other states, school districts have more authority than they do in Florida. They derive their power sometimes from the city or the county. It's very interesting how it's set up. And so we help our chapters navigate through that in their area.[30:25] As we've grown, there's more chapters in each state. They actually form like state coalitions and then work on these things together with resources and tools to understand what's going on and fight it.
 
Can I ask you a question about another political engagement? But there's another side, I guess, which is church engagement. As Christians, we would like to see the church involved. But we've certainly seen here that maybe a fifth of our schools are church schools, part of the Church of England. So it is part of, we don't have any separation church and state.Anyway, that's a whole other issue. But those, the church schools are even worse than the others.And they've jumped into all this diversity and inclusion nonsense. They want all the whole pride displays on different floors of primary school and they're pushing all of that. What's it like there? What's kind of your engagement with the churches or where do the churches fit in to actually encouraging schools or speaking truth within that environment.[31:32] So, are you saying that church schools are also state schools in England?
Yeah, we have a weird mix where, I mean, traditionally schools were set up by the church, if you go back in history, and that has remained.We have a quasi-strained situation where they're set up by churches but still follow the state curriculum.So, it's a very strange mix we have in the UK, but you'd expect a church school set by the state church would actually be strong on biblical values of freedom, but actually often that is not the case and they've been as captured by the left and the diversity agenda as any other schools.
 
Yeah, you know, I'm going to go back to my Americanism here. It's one of the reasons we broke away from you guys was to get separated, you know, but here's the thing, we are returning back to that in a different, almost in a reverse way, because, you know, the woke nonsense is kind of a religion and it's capturing all the public schools. It's seeping over into our private schools. So for us, the religious schools are private schools. And so they can do what they want and how they want and parents pay for to attend those. And so parents[32:44] have a lot more control technically because they would say, I'm not going to give you $20,000 this year for my student to go if you keep that garbage in. And so it's a, it's a much more, you know, you can make it change quickly. But as far as the churches go here in America, you know, I think the consensus is it's been very disappointing. They, many of them, I'm not going to say all of them, but many of them are captured and have bought into this and they're scared and don't want to stand up. They hide behind churches saying that churches can't get involved in politics, they'll lose their non-profit status. So they hide, you know, we left you guys to separate church and and state, and then now they're hiding behind it to be weak, in my opinion.So that's a little bit different than the scope of Moms for Liberty.That's just kind of my personal opinion on what I'm watching here in the US.[33:35] No, no, of course. We've also found that when parents have raised these issues, actually friends of mine have told me that the response from the school has been, if you continue to oppose the gender ideology being taught in a primary school, so for five to 11-year-olds, then we will report you to social services.Those are church schools. So I guess in one way, parents will be concerned and afraid to engage with a school unless there is a backlash.Because you talk about the difference between paying for the education and not here.Generally, it's free.Paid for education is a small minority.But you don't want your child to be thrown out of a good school.And you think, well, maybe I can't get them in to good school.So I can see as a fallacy that maybe some parents just want to keep their heads down and think, kind of cross their fingers and hope it's okay.That's not really a way of dealing with it.[34:32] It's really not. And for even in the UK, like people have to organize. Your voice is always stronger together. One parent honestly can't make, I don't want to say that because I don't want to discourage people from getting involved. You should always stand up because the minute you stand up and are brave, more than likely someone will be brave with you. And then those two will be brave and then that should multiply to four and then to eight, etc. That's what we've seen in Moms for Liberty. But once you get those numbers, even if you don't vote in your school board members, but if you have a school, for example, and half of the parents are saying, this is not going to fly, people start to listen.And so the only way we're going to make change around the world is for parents to pull together and stand up and just say no.[35:17] And it seems to be a really dirty fight that we seem to have a group that are intent on how to go as far as sexually abusing children with teaching them, pushing something at them, which is not right.Whether or not you agree they're not certainly for young children, it's not right. And then you can take a conversation with older children. But that sexualized content shouldn't have any place in with young children. But then the flip side, I remember when it was over last in the US talking to a taxi driver and he was saying, you know, he was talking about the De Santis, and saying, well, you know, I think, you know, children get exposed to a lot the internet and also we need to help them understand. And I said, but do you know what they're being taught? And there's that, I guess, confusion with parents, how they deal with the onslaught of technology. And maybe they do need to learn something and I guess there's a lot of confusion when parents look at and think it wasn't like this in my day.[36:23] I think a lot of parents still don't know and they don't believe it. It's shocking.You know, even when we get called names, when we are concerned about some of these books that have pornography, they say, Oh, you just want to ban books, you guys are book burners. I'm like, Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Actually, like, look, oh, let me show you. Here you go. And so I carry it with me now. And I'm like, Oh, we don't want to ban a book. But let me show you should this be in an elementary school? And I won't do it. Because I don't know if you have any I don't know who who watches your show, but the stuff in here is pornography.It's been found in schools all across our country.It's literally children performing sex acts on each other. And it was on display at a middle school.So for 12 year olds in my community, and it's unacceptable.It is just plain unacceptable. And so call me a book burner, make a meme about me burning books and a fire in my living room.I don't care. I have no desire to ban any book. I think every book should be printed, published, sold, put it in our public libraries in the United States. You can even put it there.[37:21] But don't put it in our schools, especially when only one third of American children are reading on grade level.There is no need for this trash to be in there if kids can't even read.This literally has like, oh gosh, I can't even show you. It's cartoony drawings.You know, it's ridiculous.
And yet I've seen some school board meetings of parents reading out some of this and them being told stop it because it's not acceptable to read that out with adults.Yet it is acceptable for children. I don't know how we've got to that level of confusion where adults say that's wrong with adults, but it's fine with children.
 
Truth is under attack. You know that.[38:01] I know that. There is no truth anymore. I mean, there is truth, but people are so confused about everything. They don't know what to believe anymore. You know, when you don't even, when the Supreme Court justice on the United States Supreme Court can't articulate what a woman is, we are in a deficit of truth. And so everything is meant to be confusing and what we need are people to stand up and say, I know what's right. I know what's wrong. I know what truth is and say it loud and clear and boldly.
Look in the future and how you're growing Moms for Liberty. You mentioned about having international groups, UK groups. I mean, as you grow, you've gone much past Florida. So why stop on the US? Are you looking forward to take the model you have? Obviously with different education systems, different countries, there are different ways of tackling it, but what you've done is a model for how to take it elsewhere. Is that something you've thought about?[38:59] It is we've had a lot of requests from other countries Canada, we get like a ton of requests to start trying to need help. Yeah, Canada's in really bad shape for sure. I think we've had a couple from the UK. We've had them from all over Europe. And here's the thing, if you've got a listener that could help us figure out how to do that legally, I am open to it. I say that, but I haven't talked to Tiffany, the co founder yet. I mean, I've mentioned it to her her once, and she was like, oh, I don't even know how to do that.And so everything we've done so far, we have not known how to do, but we figured it out.Again, like Tiffany said to me when we expanded to New York and throughout the country, this is not ours to keep. This is a movement.This is not my business or my organization. It belongs to moms and parents and to truth and to reason.And so if you've got a listener that knows how to do it, please connect me to them if they reach out to you because I would gladly, slowly expand into other places if people wanted to start.I don't know if it'd be a chapter legally. I don't even know what the legal terminology would be, but I don't wanna keep the movement just to myself.[40:05] Well, certainly to our viewers and listeners, if that's something you're interested in, I would encourage you to certainly email us directly, info at heartsofoak.org or drop us a DM on any of the, you can contact Moms for Liberty directly, but certainly if you're UK based and wanna contact us, we will happily look through those and see what we can do because we've always wanted to facilitate.What are the six states or seven states you're still missing?[40:33] Alaska, no one in Alaska, apparently, is a mom's city yet. And Idaho, which is surprising.It's a pretty conservative state that has a lot of issues, but we don't have a chapter in Idaho yet.[40:47] Maine is a tough state. I know that that one is there. That's three. I'm not sure, honestly.There's some other smaller states. I don't know off the top of my head.
And as you grow, you mentioned the teacher training colleges and how I guess you're engaging with the parents. But then as that grows, then you will naturally have some look at there are other areas, the education that we can bring this understanding to. And teacher training colleges, Can you see a way of how you can raise people up to begin to get more involved there or how would that work?
I think that's somebody else's job. You know, we have a lot that we do and we are so overwhelmed and underfunded at this point that we try to stay within our scope.There's a lot of work we want to do, especially, you know, we have the knowledge and experience to train school board members once we work to get elected.We got 275 school board members elected last year, but we have no ability to support them once they're elected.[41:49] So different organizations like Leadership Institute have launched a training program.So luckily we were partnering with them. So once our people get elected, we're like, hey, go there and get trained.And then honestly, they need an organization because we have school board member organizations in the United States that then support school board members.But they're woke, they're completely captured. They're radicalized.And so we also need someone to build that. I mean, all these things we could do, but I just don't have the capacity, the bandwidth.I need other people to step up and really each level of this, including working with the teachers. I mean, we started here for a number of reasons.[42:28] If we can get the kids, get the stuff out of the schools at a young age, and then they get to the teachers college, if it's still woke when they get there, at least hopefully they'll be able to think critically enough to think past some of the stuff they're being taught.
Okay. To finish off, probably a quarter of our listeners are US based and maybe a third of our viewers.If someone is sitting in the US and watching or listening to this and think I wanna get involved, what is the best way for that?
Go to momsforliberty.org and hit join the fight. It's very easy.
Okay, that is simple and straightforward. We will leave it at that.. Tina, I appreciate your time.Thank you so much for coming along and sharing with our viewers and listeners what you're doing with Moms for Liberty. Thank you.
Thank you, Peter. I appreciate the conversation. Thank you so much.

The Week According To . . . Dominique Samuels

Welcome to our regular look back at the news, media and talking points from the past seven days as we roll out the red carpet for our guest this episode, a true free speech crusader, Dominique Samuels.Dominique is one of the top young UK political commentators so we look forward to her informed analysis on some of the stories and issues that have caught our attention this week including.....Protect the Kids: Drag Queen Story Hour in the UK.New Zealand: Records biggest rate of excess deaths in 100 years.Vaccine Injuries: Has the dam now broken? UK Immigration: Are the authorities taking the piss? Laughable questionnaire being handed out to channel migrants/Invaders.Conservative Chaos: 'Assassins' who knifed Boris now feeling the heat themselves.Low Traffic Neighbourhoods: Traders being sacrificed on the 'great green altar'.Roald Dahl: Original books to be kept in print following criticism.Central Bank Digital Currency: CBDC and the digital pound, A new form of money for households and businesses?Dominique Samuels is 23, born and bred in Manchester but living in London.She is a conservative political commentator, who draws on her knowledge from her degree in Politics with International Relations to inform her analysis and opinions.She has appeared on every mainstream media news channel including the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News, with regular appearances on GB News and Good Morning Britain.Dominique has also participated in long-form documentaries and reality TV programmes, having previously appeared on Channel 4's The Bridge and BBC documentary series Black and British which was awarded a Grierson Award for Best Constructed Documentary Series.Dominique also does her own broadcasting in the form of live-streaming on social media platform GETTR's 6.5 million users, regularly gaining an audience of up to 11 thousand on her streams.Connect with Dominique.....GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/dominiquetaegonTWITTER: https://twitter.com/Dominiquetaegon/TIK-TOK: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYAoMGB5/INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/dominiquetsamuels/YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DominiqueTaegon?sub_confirmation=1WEBSITE: https://www.dominiquetaegon.com/Originally broadcast live 25.2.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] Dominique Samuels, thank you so much for joining us today.
 
Thank you for having me this evening.
Not all, and I know you're feeling a little bit under the weather, so we're gonna do half an hour. I appreciate you coming.I know it is like whenever you have an interview scheduled and you don't feel up for it, so I appreciate you coming along.We'll do half an hour and then I will let you go and I'll finish off with some of the other stories.So thank you so much for jumping on.
Thanks for being understanding. It's just one of those, I don't know what it is.It started on Friday, actually, just feeling absolutely knackered.I've been sleeping most of today, to be honest.
Well, that's fine. As long as you don't pass it on to me, because I'm away to CPAC on Monday.
So thankfully, you know. Oh really? Wow. I'm so jealous.
Look, I'll send you the pictures. Don't worry.[1:08] Thanks. Whereabouts in the US do they do it?
 
In DC.
Oh, right. Oh, cool. I remember I went there for a Turning Point USA event in DC.It was the first time that I went there.Absolutely loved it. We went to the White House and we saw Donald Trump and Mike Pence speak in person. It was like this black leadership thing that TPUSA did. It was such a brilliant experience. Unforgettable.
Wow. Well, I'm looking forward to meeting the man himself, President Trump over there and all the speakers. So it will be good fun. But I'll send you pictures and next time you, can come over.
Yeah, no, one of these one of these days I'm going to CPAC definitely.[1:54] Not that I'm the one that invites people. So it's my first time. So anyway, we'll jump in. You can follow Dominique. There's her handle. Of course, you know her from GB News regularly from Mark Steyn show from Iconic from so many things. And of course, her own podcast, her own live stream on Twitter on Getter on
 
Now on YouTube.On YouTube. Now on YouTube. I think the handle is the same on YouTube, but I am sort of in the process of building it up.I recently did a interview with Andrew Bridgen MP, and they did particularly well.Let me just see if, do you mind if I share my screen? Of course you can.Just to promote my little thing here.
On YouTube.
 
Yeah.
So that...[2:46] Could you bring it up? I think I need to bring it up. There you go.Yeah. Right. Okay. So that is my YouTube. It's at DominiqueTaegon. So the handle is the same. And if you want to watch the Andrew Bridgen interview, it's there. Thank you for letting me do my little promo there.
I didn't actually know that a guest could share a screen to thank you've taught me something. Thank you, Dominique.[3:06] Well, I'm quite the seasoned restream user.
 
You are, I know, I know. But yeah, I love that interview with Andrew Bridgen, really worthwhile watching. If anyone hasn't seen it, I don't know where you've been, but if you haven't seen it, then do make sure and watch that. It is absolutely worthwhile. Let's jump in with the news. We've lots of stories to cover and we'll cover these four major ones. And the first one, I know you you posted this Dominique, if it's going to come up, which is about low traffic neighbourhoods.So the link is in the description on most of them. And this is obviously about low traffic neighbourhoods being promoted as supporting neighbourhood businesses and entrepreneurs.Nothing could be further from the truth. But tell us why the whole issue of 15 minute cities has really caught your eye.[4:02] Well, the whole issue of 15-minute cities for me was quite alarming because when you actually do your research and you look on the people that promote these 15-minute cities, you know, slash low traffic neighborhoods, number one, they have a real issue with the private use of cars.So really, there are various studies done by what I call these psychopaths that do look to limit private car use.How do they do that? By making everyone swap out for electric vehicles, taxing people out of driving, that sort of thing. I mean, we've seen that with the Youles controversy with Sadiq Khan, basically just making it costlier and more difficult for drivers to actually navigate. So that's the number one thing that was quite suspicious. But the biggest thing for me was actually they mentioned COVID as this sort of convenient conduit for people to realize that, you know, actually it's so much more convenient for us to be within 15 minutes of each other. And when you actually look at that outside of their romanticized and falsified version, there are thousands, millions of people that really, really suffered during those unscientific authoritarian psychopathic lockdowns. There are people that lost their businesses, people that committed suicide, people that died at home because they couldn't[5:25] access NHS treatment. So this romanticized idea that it made us realize all of these things, maybe it did for the people that are privileged enough to have been able to enjoy that, who were celebrating working from home, but for the people whose businesses relied on[5:42] society operating normally, that's not quite a rosy picture, is it? So it's no surprise with that article that you referenced, that various studies showed that in terms of customers returning to these businesses.It dropped extremely low. I can't remember specifically, but I think particularly in Oxford, because of all of the basically hoops that these drivers have to get through, and Oxford's a touristy area, so people come from outside of Oxford to come and see it because it's a beautiful place, they're just not doing it anymore. Because what is the point? It's too expensive, there's nowhere to park, and it's basically just hostile towards the revenue that many businesses rely on.And that's the real difficulty. Small businesses do not benefit from 15 minute cities.
And I mean the whole thing, congestion charge in London being rolled out, I think it's seven days a week.And that is a massive impact. And where I might think maybe jump in my car and go somewhere,Actually, I don't do that. But Projam, could you bring up the demo that there was a demo, obviously Oxford has been the one that has been pushed.And I just want to bring up this because it's the European Conservative and this is it.[7:00] Thousands protesting in a 50 minute city in Oxford. If you just scroll that down and there were massive, I watched some of the videos and huge groups of people and I was a bit jealous I wasn't able to get there. But it shows there is opposition because sometimes we'll be told don't worry, this is a conspiracy, this is just a small group of those on the right who are angry about this, but actually people are galvanised and opposing this and I saw many of those videos and I thought, wow, this is good, the fight is on, bring it on.
Yeah, about 2000 people, probably more, were there, they turned out, they protested, they demonstrated, Antifa turned up calling them fascists, which is just really odd.I mean, Antifa sort of make themselves out to be these like anti-establishment radicals, but really they're just establishment boot lickers in my opinion.And I mean, who are they funded by as well? Because they've been dotted around quite a few demonstrations, you know.So there was the drag queen story hour demonstration at Tate Modern,[8:16] recently they were there and things got heated because of them.But also most interestingly, the protest in Knowsley, you know, about the refugees in the hotels.So Antifa were allegedly there as well. And apparently they actually showed up and that's when things got violent actually.And it's not an uncommon thing in America. They turn up at protests and those protests seemingly always get violent.So interesting. I'd love to know who's dotting them around in the UK because I think it's weird.
Yeah, I mean, it could be hope not hate, obviously been one of the organizations who may be linked to that, but you're right, they do pop up and the violence ensues. And I,[8:59] I would love to try and understand what goes on in their, their heads with this low traffic neighbourhood. I mean, the destruction it does to businesses. If you're a local business, if you're a shop that needs people to come in, but no one can actually drive in and park outside for 20 minutes or in the car park for half an hour and pop in. I mean, it destroys your business.A local business, an independent business cannot operate online and they rely on those people and you see the empty streets and it's heart-breaking, especially post-COVID that they can't recover.
Yeah. And it's like, I mean, what do these, you know, what do the proponents of these 15-minute cities want? Do they want us all to be just completely reliant on corporations? Do they, they want us to just be completely reliant on these massive chains?Do they want us to all shop at Amazon groceries?Because Amazon has grocery stores around the UK now.That's a really interesting question because all of the lefties that claim to be all anti-capitalism, oh, you know, let's be organic and independent.A lot of the things that they are screaming and shouting for destroy small businesses.[10:09] Yeah. Well, they haven't thought this through. I think that's working out Dominique. There was another story which I know you had posted on this roll down. This is a BBC story today actually saying that seems as though they're backed down.This is original books to be kept in print following criticism. So scroll down Pro Jam, and there was an attempt by the publishers to rewrite many of the books. They had issues with a whole range of the phrases. What they didn't like, female and they didn't like fat, they didn't like ugly, they had a whole list of words. But it looks like common sense has prevailed in this at least.
Yeah, you know, that is the wonderful thing because common sense seems to be quite scarce in Britain today, but[11:07] I mean, let's just be honest, there shouldn't even need to be two additions in the first place, in my view, although this is a positive thing. You know, it just makes you think if you are offended by male cloud men and male non gender neutral umpah lumpahs, because these are some of the changes, by the way, guys. So cloud men in James and the Giant Peach are cloud people.Umpa Lumpas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are gender neutral.In Matilda, Miss Trunchbull isn't a female, she's a woman.Now I have my suspicions about that because of the new definition of what a woman is.Being a woman can be anyone that puts on a skirt and decides that they are one.But female is a very distinct thing, which is obviously why they've chosen to take it out.Boys and girls aren't allowed in, I think it's the hungry crocodile.Crocodile, it's instead just children.Now the publishers said that they have a duty to protect children from offensive content. What is offensive about a cloud man?What is offensive about male oompa-lumpa? It literally makes no sense.And if you're offended by that, I would suggest, you know, you should probably, take a long hard look in the mirror or alternatively get a grip.But I'm glad that now we can actually vote with our feet and choose what we want to read instead of it being dictated to us by this insular group of people that are clearly very disconnected from reality.[12:37] Yeah, because you can have the the woke section where people who are offended by everything they can shop and then we can have the normal one for the rest of us.[12:45] Normal people to read.
 
Yeah, the normal section. But I was interested to see the people responding. So, you know, Ricky Gervais, who you'd expect to jump into something and cause some heat. And he jumped in on this.And then Camilla is being kind of lauded as the one who stepped in and told authors to think remain true to your calling. I thought that was a curious intervention by the Royal Family.
Yeah, it was a curious thing, positive nonetheless, but I'm not going to be sitting here and being like, oh, yay, you know, all of a sudden we've got an anti-Woke Queen consort and King, because all they do is churn out Wokeism. And perhaps it's because of their offices, you know, their PR offices, they think that if they subscribe to all these mainstream sort of left-wing causes, for example, the King's coronation is apparently all, it's all going to be about refugees and NHS workers and LGBTQ.These, you know, these groups[13:52] on the large part think the monarchy represents something really pernicious and nasty and backward about Britain. So the idea that, you know, he should be pandering so strongly to these groups, I think, is counterintuitive. But nonetheless, it was good to see the Queen consort actually saying something good, rather than something woke. My suspicions, my, I suppose, little theory would be that this intervention was to get people, I think, back on their side that feel a bit alienated by the monarchy as of recent because King Charles, I mean, they obviously know what's being said on Twitter online. They know that King Charles is sort of being looked at as the woke king. So it's a helpful intervention.[14:37] I'd love to know if conversations were had before and already the publishers had agreed and then Camilla comes out and she's treated as a savior. You don't believe anything these days. So I wonder what happened behind the scenes.
Yeah. I mean, the press were briefed. I know that. The press were briefed that it was about the Roald Dahl saga. Like it was specifically about that. Although she purposely didn't mention it because obviously they're supposed to be neutral. They did make a point of briefing the press. So make of that what you will.
Exactly. Lets.... Drag Queen Story Hour for children,There have been a lot around this issue and it keeps happening.I don't know, can you play that video, Pro Jam, as we have it in the background?But this, again, another one of these...[15:29][15:37] Okay, well, let's go enough with that. I don't even want to watch that. But this in South East London, it's the whole issue of children engaged in this. I mean, you've spoken about this a number of times, Dominique. Tell us your thoughts on this whole issue, which seems to be springing up more and more.[15:57] Well, you know, drag queens Story Hour imported from the US as a most really bad woke ideas.Been imported from the US, it's spreading like wildfire across the UK. As I mentioned previously, there was that protest outside Tate Modern against the drag queen Ida HD. She was hired to read to kids. Even with this particular drag queen, Ida HD has quite a checkered past when it comes to certain friends that Ida has supported online. For example, there's one called Darren Moore, who died recently, who was a convicted child rapist. He was convicted in 1999 of raping a boy under 16, four counts, and was then convicted in 2011 for breaching his sex offenders order, because he was found to be working with kids as a coach, as a gymnastics coach, I think it was, or a dance coach and Ida very publicly was like my friend, donate to this go fund me so your friend's a sex offender and you're wanting to read to kids that's concerning and anyone that's concerned about that is a far right bigot apparently but in this particular case I was messaged on Twitter[17:17] by a concerned parent basically saying I mean look what's going on in Lewisham it's the at the Honour Oak Pub in Lewisham where that video is from, where you can see a grown man scantily clad, doing the splits in really inappropriate clothing.And when people say, oh, you know, you're just paranoid that this is sexualized.If you go on to the Instagram account, it's been deleted, but there's a video that I did on Instagram actually showing the original post. This drag queen is called Copper Top Queen.[17:51] And in the caption of the Instagram post, it said, wear a mini skirt, they said.It'll be sexy, they said.And as you can see in the video, the drag queen is like hinching up the skirt to do the splits.Why would you need to look sexy at an event involving children?That's red flag number one. It's inappropriate. And the drag queen featured in that video commented on my Instagram post saying, nothing physically harmful happened to the children, you and your far right views.He's been extremely threatening towards other concerned parents with really misogynistic undertones actually, because most people that are talking about this are women, concerned parents with children.And the thing is, is that I think the UK government needs to ban drag queen events involving children.I mean, as far as I'm aware, it's been done in Florida. It needs to be done here.They're inappropriate. And I'm genuinely concerned about the safety of children where these events are concerned.If you look at the picture and the video, the only people laughing and guffawing and having a good time are the parents.The children look utterly confused because they don't know what's going on.[19:02] And they're probably terrified as well, actually. There was another person that commented on my Instagram post, a childhood survivor of sexual assault, that said, this makes me really uncomfortable.It reminded her of grooming.And it is grooming, because what you're trying to do is you're trying to desensitize children to this sort of overtly sexual and suggestive behavior so that they think it's normal.And what happens, because children's brains are literally like sponges.They absorb information and things that they see, and they mimic them and copy them.What happens when you see children acting like that with each other in the playground?It's disgusting. And I think any parent taking their kids to see things like that should be investigated, to be honest, because how on earth you could think that that is appropriate is completely beyond me.There's another baby cabaret group that I've been directed to.It's called Kababarave. So for anyone that's interested.[20:00] I'm gonna be doing a video about this soon called Kebab-a-Rave.That is a baby cabaret, so it's for babies. It's aimed at babies.And some of the images and the videos I've seen have been absolutely disgusting.Stripper gear, half naked women, men with barely any clothes on doing the splits with all of their legs spread, a Santa strippingwhile babies are there. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm genuinely concerned. I think the government needs to get involved, as do child services, 100%.
 
You've talked a lot about this and tried to highlight this. You've engaged with commentators, but when you look at politicians and how they respond to me, it's a win-win for any so-called conservative.Any parent will be on their side if they say, look, this is not appropriate. Just come up with that statement. And I don't understand. It's not a difficult issue. It's not something they need to work through or put out a group to find out what parents think. I mean, it's normal. Why do you, I mean, how is it that our politicians don't say, look, there's a line and this is not right for children, maybe right for adults and you can do what you like, children. It's quite easy to win-win.
It's easy as pie. And for the so-called conservative party to not be saying something about this.[21:27] And not actually be putting forward legislation, because that's what I want to see. I want to see legislation. If they would have any chance of winning the next election, they need to start talking about things like this, because this isn't just a culture war issue. It's not.This is about a child's safety and a child's sexualization issue by people that think that children need to be exposed to heavily sexualized and suggestive themes and you need to ask the question of why? Why do they want children to be exposed to that? Now I'm not saying all of these people are paedophiles or whatever, although you know it factually has been found that sexual predators have found their way in those organizations 100%. I'm not saying, but the people supporting them, I think a lot of them genuinely do think that this is about acceptance and kindness and inclusion. And it's just not. It's really, really inappropriate. And people like that though, they need to be ignored because they don't know what they're talking about, genuinely. And I'm sick to death of trying to reason with people. Even the people that say, Oh, I mean, pantomime dames.Like, are you thick? How can you compare a pantomime dame fully clothed by the way?[22:44] To a drag queen in literal strip heels and a mini skirt with big fake boobs, gyrating themselves in front of kids. How could you even make that comparison?
I know. I know. You're right. I've seen some of the comments and some of the posts you put up and when you try and engage and you can't get anywhere because these people seem to be intent on sexualizing children.[23:06] Yeah, I know. You've got to ask why? Why is that okay with you? There's something not right there.[23:12] Yeah, completely. Let's go on to, we'll do our final story together and this is on the Central Bank digital currency. This is a consultation paper. It was out the 7th of February, but you put it up and I think it's quite important because we certainly haven't referred to this specific paper. Bank of England, the digital pound, a new form of money for households and business? And this is consultation, the Bank of England. I didn't know the Bank of England did their own consultations. I thought that's a whole other area. But it says the Bank of England and HM Treasury publication, and they talk about the way we use money is changing and talking about using a digital pound. I know you've done a number of things on central bank digital currencies.Tell us kind of why you're concerned. Is this not just the way we're moving forward? Tell us why you're concerned on this.
 
Well, again, I think that argument is interesting about, oh, this is the way things are going now. Because look, the argument has been made. Most of us don't really use cash that much in our day to day lives or transactions. I don't. I use Apple Pay. It's just convenient. But you've also got to ask the question of what is the problem that CBDCs are seeking to be the solution to because we already have the infrastructure in the UK for contactless payments.[24:39] For card payments. That infrastructure has been there. We probably have one of the best infrastructures for these types of payments in the world. So a need for a CBDC is completely different. And the difference is, is that it will be government regulated. So that's, what it is. It's a central bank, central bank digital currency. So banks and by extension our government. I know we say, oh, but you know, the Bank of England is separate. You know, it's separate, but it's not, it's not really. This is like a government controlled currency where they can track all of your transactions. So effectively like sort of the track and trace we saw during the pandemic, they can track all your transactions, see what you're spending money on. And it makes you extremely vulnerable to financial discrimination.So say for example, you've got these psychos talking about, you know, we need to have carbon points. Everyone needs to be attributed a specific number of carbon points.Use too many of your carbon points one day, blocks from making certain transactions.Or if you have participated in a protest that's inconvenient for the government, they can block you from your own money. We saw as much in Canada. You know, remember during the trucker protests.[25:56] And we've sort of seen what the future of CBDC is in places in Asia and Africa.So in Nigeria, there have been riots recently because of a deliberate cash shortage that the Nigerian central bank has triggered. So they've actually had a digital currency since 2021.It's called the eNira. And with this eNira, do you know it's been rejected by about 99% of Nigeria, they've got about 225 million people there and cash is still favored for most transactions. I'm going to have to wipe my nose. One second...
She'll be back.[26:54] But this is a, this is a huge issue and, um, from the purpose of...
Woo.Oh my gosh.[27:12] Sorry about that. I could just see like shining under my nose.
But just to finish off Dominique, because it's the whole issue with digital currency, the whole point of them was about privacy, was about taking control back to the individual, owning your money and not having government control.And this kind of is a perverse way of looking at it. It takes that and throws it on its head and says by the government, we're not going to let you take control of your money.We're going to pull back control. So it's, even when they talk about digital currency, digital currency is about freedom and control for the individual.But this puts it all the way back.
Yeah, exactly.the thing you were right with cryptocurrency, is that specifically Bitcoin, is that it can't be tracked and traced in the same way.But our governments have obviously seen that and want to capture it and again, want it to be for some element of control. So in Nigeria, most of them have rejected the CBDC in informal transactions.So do you know what the central bank did?It created a deliberate cash shortage by announcing that all the old Naira notes were invalid and they had like probably a month to cash in all the old notes to receive new ones. So what you found were people queuing all outside of the ATMs, couldn't[28:35] get access to their money, riots. And then recently the bank announced that they were going to be using a new technology to save this eNaira that's basically failed. And I'm worried that that sort of stuff will happen here. But also I think lastly, the most important point with this is that you can't have a CBDC without a digital ID and you can't have a digital ID without a CBDC because it all comes hand in hand. It makes transactions a lot easier, but it also allows the government to track you a lot easier. And that's why we should also be talking about and speaking out against digital ID as well. Because with this sort of thing, you will have no privacy.And for people that say, oh, if you don't commit crime, then it's no problem.That's not the point.What about people that are domestic abuse victims that need cash, for example, to escape.[29:28] Their partners? What about old people who actually don't understand all of this technology?There are some real issues here that really do disadvantage the most vulnerable in our society. And also..with regards to even the 50 minute cities. What about disabled people as well that actually need to drive and need to use cars to get around? That was something that I meant to say actually as well.
Yeah, it takes away all that privacy, puts full control and your right digital ID is very much part of that. Dominique, I've got to let you go. I appreciate you coming along. Thank you so much. Even though you're feeling under the weather, thank you for jumping along and joining us today.
Oh, my pleasure. I really enjoyed it.
Not at all. I'll carry on and I'll let you go and we'll speak soon.
All right. I'd love to be back.
 
Thanks Dominique.
 
All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye.[30:17] That was Dominique. Let me, I know what it's like whenever you get called in for interviews and you're just not feeling great and feeling under the weather.And I appreciate her coming along. It's easier to sometimes say, no, I'll give it a miss.But I appreciate her giving her time. But there were some other stories I wanted to touch on.This is one that actually I hadn't put on the list with Dominique, but I think is really important.How's my sound Pro Jam? Is that okay? Give me a thumbs up. He was telling me, yeah, my sound wasn't great. Let me try and pull in some comments on, there are a lot of things, a story today that appeared. But let me try and pull in some comments.Something fell in my room. I don't know what that was.[31:09] Robert McKair, one or two Central American countries have adopted Bitcoin as their currency.Yep. Agra Shed. Who else do we have? Pemshed. Tiffengirl. Who I can pull up. Bockels42 noted NWO and WEF. I couldn't agree more. Do drop your comment. Let me know how you're watching, where you're watching with Dominique on if I can pull in some of those. That would be absolutely wonderful. Yes, let me know Bob Moran you cant fix anything if you keep asking for more government regulation. Yep, completely agree. DTaylor7, Evening All on the beginning, Villan 82, Frankie Boyes, great to have you all on. Thank you so much for being with us. This is the story that came up today and I want to touch on. And I'll spin through the other stories.[32:06] This was a story that had Lord Pearson, who is, I have the privilege of working with Lord Pearson in the House of Lords for the last 12 years. And I've also had the privilege of working with Baroness Cox, who's absolutely wonderful, actually was the Conservative Deputy Speaker in the House of Lords back in the day, now sits as an independent.And this is a secret House of Lords circle showed to have worked with the far right.Email blunder, Sparks inquiry a new issues group collaboration with Islamophobes.That could have been my email blunder, could have been Lord Pearson's, I don't know.But if we scroll down this Pro Jam, I want to pull this because it is a story that is done by, well this is The Guardian, but it's basically been done, yep, it's been done by hope not hate or hate not hope.[32:55] So, a secretive organisation, Accused of Collaborating, it's not really secretive, I've been there for many years, has been operating under the House of Lords for more than a decade.It is more than a decade.The organisation called New Issues Group, it's not an organisation, it's simply groups of people coming together under a name, so it could be easily tagged and identified, includes the former UKIP leader Malcolm Pearson and the Tory former Deputy Speaker of the House of Lords, Baroness Cox. The cache of documents, I don't think there's a cache of documents.[33:29] Acquired by anti-fascist group, pro-fascist group, hate not hope, even suggests that a figure who would become one of the UK's most notorious anti-Muslim activists drafted a question to be asked in the House of Lords by group members. I think they're referring to, who are they referring to? I actually lose track. Maybe Anne Marie Waters are referring to. But it talks about this group, which is supposedly a shadowy group, there's Anne Marie's picture. It's not a shadowy group. It's simply in effect a talking house. It's a group that comes together to discuss some of the issues, especially around Baroness Cox's bill to give Muslim women the protections they don't currently enjoy because if they're married, they're not married under UK law, they're married under Islamic law and they don't get the protections they desperately need and require. That has to change to make sure that a Muslim woman is treated exactly the same[34:29] as any other married woman and her husband does not have the right to divorce you, say that three times and she's divorced with no recompense to anything because she's not married under British law. It's absolute travesty that we have hundreds of thousands of Muslim women have zero rights under British law because their marriage is not recognised under British law and the Baroness has been trying to introduce a bill for over a decade and the government refused to put it in because they don't give a damn about Muslim women who have no rights under British law.[35:04] Let's call it as it is. This was the Sky News one.Westminster accounts. Baroness Cox forced to declare financial interest after a leak revealed links to anti-Islam activists. Baroness Cox has taken funding from an American organization run by evangelical, so by Christians.Sky News have got a problem that Christians have donated money to the Baroness to help and all the great humanitarian work that she does all across the world. Wonderful work the Baroness does and she's one of the most active members of the House of Lords I have seen in my over a decade of having the privilege of working there. So Christian groups, absolutely fine. Anti-gay marriage campaigns, well, you've got every right to stand against marriages, not between one man and one woman, no problem. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.[36:04] She holds regular meetings with prominent critics of Islam. I have had the honour of being in many of those meetings and it is wonderful to spend time with great individuals who served this country so well and continue to serve it well into their 80s and they could put their feet up and they could be sipping cocktails around the pool sometime, but no, they choose to come in and meet with others, work with others and do what is right. And yet, hate not hope are angry at these people who want to give back to Britain.
Moving on, I think I'll do a whole piece on that because I was shocked, hate not hope had emailed myself or had emailed Alan. They emailed Lord Pearson, Baroness Cox, many others, finding out what the shadowy group was about, which is simply a collection of individuals, like-minded individuals that want to discuss the issues with radical Islam and the freedoms we have in the West. And when that clash comes together, what happens? And we need to discuss as Lord Pearson has always said, can we talk about Islam? He just simply wants to talk about it.And for wanting to talk about it you get attacked with every label under the sun. Let's move on.[37:32] This story is, this is why I didn't want Dominique to come on YouTube, even though she's got a YouTube channel. I saw actually the YouTube video with John Waters has gone really well. We have to be very careful with videos we put on YouTube. We have to see how we use YouTube properly because it's not a bastion of free speech like GETTR, like rumble on the website, like Twitter is at at the moment. Many others, Truth Social, gab that we use, but not for video stuff.There's so many great platforms available there and we need to know how to use them.But at the moment, we are holding off on YouTube. We need to see how we use that effectively because it is a huge platform, but it's a huge platform that you can't talk about this...New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.[38:28] Let me read that to you again. You can see it. Let that sink in.New Zealand records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years.This should be the biggest story.Biggest in 100 years? Not COVID.[38:47] Not COVID. Something else is happening. Is it the more or less enforced vaccination of an experimental substance that didn't even go through trials with the vaccine group on Diny and Rachel a couple of weeks ago and they talked about the vaccine control group that is there because we have no data on the unvaxxed.We don't actually have any data because it's not divided up.In fact, Pfizer initially started the trial.So they would monitor those who were un-vaxxed, un-jabbed, un-jabbed, that's not even vaxxer, vaccination, let's set that aside, who were un-jabbed with this experimental chemical, whatever went in their arm, and those who were.So those who received the jab, those who didn't.And after I think it was four months, I can be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.If I remember after four months, they scrapped that and they just jabbed all those who were unjabbed as a control.The opposite of what a control group should be. You can monitor those.They scrapped that and people still think this is safe because it's been through a control group and tested.[40:05] Utter bull shit. It is not. And people need to wake up and see this for what it is.Okay, we'll blast through these. The next one, Projam, even Fox News is now covering vaccine injuries.I think we'll...[40:29] Let's play this. Do you wanna? I've got Dominique still up. Apologies.Pro Jam, do you wanna just play this? Can we play this?
As we told angle viewers in February of 2020, and by the way, at the time when he came on the show to the protestations of Anthony Fauci, we could never, ever trust China on this.We turn now to a COVID controversy of a different kind. My next guest, a physician from Roseville, California says that he's treated more than 4,000 COVID patients.And of those, he says hundreds experience vaccine related injuries, including chest pain, cancer, and in women, menstrual irregularity and even pregnancy loss.[41:12] Dr. Michael Huang joins me now. Dr. Huang, thanks for being with us tonight.....[41:17] Right. Well, not you can get the idea.And it's wonderful that, sorry, messing up with graphics, that Fox News are actually covering this at long last.Someone who said they treated 4,000 patients for COVID and hundreds, they're seeing vaccine injuries.Let's take that as 10%, hundreds, let's say 400, 4,000 for sake of a, or let's say 200, 5%.If 5% of people are having injuries due to vaccine, this needs to be stopped immediately and to be analysed and tested and find out what is happening. That would be the right thing to do. That would be the correct thing to do. That would be the safe thing to do.But it's not the financially prudent thing to do for these vaccine companies. Why should they stop it if they're making so much money? And it's a printing press for them. Health, safety, that's not the main issue. Stopping the spread of COVID, that's not the main issue.The main issue is making money and taking a medical emergency and printing as much money as you can for your shareholders as a limited company. That's what it's all about.I know you know that.I know that. Many of us know that. It's up to us to try and get the word out, especially as these companies push to move away from emergency use authorization to full authorization.I saw an application yesterday with could have been Pfizer for one of their updated.[42:47] Jabs and they're moving to get full approval for it.Nothing could be more dangerous although my concern is the damage has already been done through these mRNA jabs fully untested and trialled on children.[43:04] Can't get much more evil than that.
 
On to the next story. This is looking at terrorism. This is a little survey that those who arrive in the country illegally are asked to do. Now the government have failed to get a grip on our immigration out of control but they're going to do a survey, an English survey, and this is going to fix our problem. So have you ever been involved in crime or terrorism? Yes or no. The fast track questionnaire handed the channel migrants seeking asylum. If we scroll down, so this will attempt to streamline the process, migrants will be granted refugee status on the basis of 10 page questionnaire. Can you believe it? Well, it is true. So let me, I'll read some of this. So this seems to get rid of the massive backlog. The questionnaire asks more than 50 questions in total, such as how they reached the UK. If we scroll down and we have, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. The questions, no, no, keep picking it up. Yep. Have you ever been involved in war crimes.[44:17] Crimes against humanity or genocide? No, that's only the British government, I think. Maybe Matt Hancock could answer yes for that. Have you ever been involved in terrorist activities? No, I think that was just Tony Blair wasn't it? Have you ever expressed views at justified terrorist violence?Do you have any documents or other evidence to confirm who you are? No, because they got rid of it because that's how they're told to do it. Have you ever been employed by the military?[44:44] How did you get to the UK? They're asking that. Were you subject to human trafficking?How much did the journey to the UK cost?What question now? Please reply your receipts and we'll refund you.I think that's where we're going. Send us your bills and we'll give it all back to you.Don't you worry. Would you like a new house while you're at it?This is a concerted government. Please, any of you who haven't woken up to this who believe a Tory government are the saviours, they are not. They are the enemy. They are the problem and they are not going to fix this mess. This has happened under their watch, under 13 years of supposedly conservative government, conservative in name only. I don't see any political party actually wanting to, actually do anything about this because you need to be polling. Back in my UKIP days, had to be pulling 15% plus to get anywhere and really about 18% to get a slew of seats in the House of Commons. And even if that happens, you're a small party on the back benches, so there's not much you can do.
 
This last story, I'm not sure if we can bring up, purging of the assassins. A story on the end there, looking at the Conservative Party and how they choose those who will stand.[46:11] And this story goes one way, but I want to take it a slightly different way.And I think we'll finish off on this.Purging of the assassins as local conservative parties pick their next candidates for the next election, many of the 60 or so MPs who knifed Boris are feeling the heat themselves.This is the process that for the next general election, an MP needs to get the vote, the permission to stand as a candidate for their local conservative constituency, local conservative grouping. They can't just do it themselves and just because they're an MP doesn't get them right to stand as a conservative MP in the next election. Strange quirk of British politics. And they have to go with cap in hand and say, please, Conservative Association, please allow us to stand again. And more often than not, of course, the answer is yes. But It can be a way that the local association can punish the MP.And I guess a way of making, keeping that connection between MPs and their constituents, their local party, those on the ground and not just the, the high up part of the concerted party.[47:24] So in theory it's a good idea, but all this is about poor Boris.And it's interesting how some of these people will fare because I am assuming that many conservative associations are angry at how the conservative party have run roughshod over freedoms and civil liberties.They may be angry at how vaccinations were forced on many, the NHS, the health system, many others.It was enforced upon them and they would lose their jobs if they didn't get it.A lot of anger and little Rishi Sunak.Richie, Rishi, Sunak, rich, worth more than the queen or the king, we are on to the king, right? Worth more than the monarchy.First time ever in history that the prime minister has had greater wealth than the sovereign. He doesn't get it.He doesn't get it. And I think a lot of conservative MPs will be punished.I think a lot of them will jump ship before because there's no way they're going to win as a conservative MP when they have destroyed this country in every way imaginable.[48:35] They are the biggest bunch of crooks. Many of them are quite evil, especially with forcing a jab upon people that was never ever ever fully tested, never ever ever tested on children, never went through its trials, But the trials were cancelled after months and yet it was given to people and they were told it was fine.And now all the stories come back and injuries. So many issues and of course people like Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative Party, number 10, they didn't want people like that to stand.Independent minded MPs that will speak up for what they believe is right and not necessarily just fall under what the government say.We'll watch and see what happens. really interesting.[49:25] And I am watching this closely because of course we're all interested in what happens.I think that will be enough for tonight.Let me pull up some of your comments on GETTR if you're watching GETTR.I can't pull the other comments up.My apologies for not being able to pull them all up.Let's go from the bottom up. Okay.[49:54] Bookles, 42, know the WHO, independent candidate of the future, yep, but I don't know what they can achieve with our current electoral system.Pem's head, Tory's aren't Tory. The name Tory goes back a long time actually as a derogatory term, but anyway, we'll knock it into that history.Pem's head, Tory HQ, partially a candidate into my mum's constituency, they've just deselected her. I love it.I love it. The fight back between the grassroots part of the party and the machine at the top.Agshed, not conservative anymore.Nope. Buccos 42, unfortunately, Reform UK or ProJab genocide.That is a big concern.I'll not go deeply into that because we're not about attacking or picking off others, any party who is pro-JAB and criticises Novak Djokovic who wanted to get in Australia and did the right thing to get in and then was attacked by the leader of any political party and mocked and ridiculed.I have no time for....But that's a whole other issue.James Simmons, there are lots of others, I'll not go into them.[51:10] James Simmons says sexualized children should be a criminal offence, a punishment by the British people.Yep, should be a criminal offence. Anyone who's involved in that should be on the sex offence register and should be jailed up until it can be proved they're no longer a danger to children, no longer want to sexualize children.I think that is about it.[51:30] So thank you for joining. Thank you for watching. Great to have you with us always.It was great fun having Dominique for the first time and hopefully we'll have her back soon.Fit and sound and well and healthy. Next week I'm off to CPAC.We've got some great interviews that we've done in the bag.We'll post those when they come out, Monday, Thursday. And I'll be reporting over there from CPAC.A message from Steve Bannon to say make sure and come to the war room. We'll have you on live. Many others will be there. I'll report there, give you an update as much as I can.Never been there before so first time. I know Nigel is going there. It'll be good to see him. I don't know if any other British folks going over, but I'll try and make a beeline for any others I can find. I'll report as much as I can, take as many interviews and clips with people over there. And I'll be back after CPAC. So thank you for being with us.Thank you for watching on whichever platform you're on and have a good rest of your weekend.We will see you back on Monday with an interview that will tell you about[52:47] closer to the time. So thank you and good night to you all.

Clay Clark - The Great ReAwakening Vs The Great Reset

Give us a Woo! Clay Clark returns to Hearts of Oak to talk on the topic of the latest ReAwaken America Tour event. "The Great ReAwakening vs The Great Reset". On one side we have powerful international organisations that are seeking to control every area of our lives. Digital ID's. Central Bank Digital Currencies. Vaccine passports. Control of countries health responses to any crisis. The list goes on. On the other side people like Clay through the tour are opening peoples eyes to this new evil and helping them rediscover a passion for freedom and nationalism, truth and faith.Clay Clark is a father of five kids, the organizer, emcee and host of the General Flynn ReAwaken America Tour, the former “U.S. SBA Entrepreneur of the Year” for the State of Oklahoma, a member of the Forbes Business Coach Council, an Amazon best-selling author, the founder of several multi-million dollar companies and the host of the Thrivetime Show podcast which has been number one overall on the iTunes business podcast charts 6 times!The 'ReAwaken America Tour' and 'Time To Free America' aims to expose “The COVID-19 / Great Reset” agenda being pushed by Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, China, and other elite globalists that hate God and America.The ReAwaken America Tour exists to expose the election fraud, medical fraud, religious fraud, monetary fraud and mainstream media fraud that has been used to push the “COVID-19 Great Reset Agenda.”Their call to action is to get people back to God because they believe that true repentance and salvation is needed to save America.Find Clay at.....Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheClayClark?s=20&t=V6OoZyY3dO0ek1Wm8ghDAATruth: https://truthsocial.com/@ClayClarkWebsite: https://timetofreeamerica.com/Podcast: https://www.thrivetimeshow.com/reawaken-america-tour/Links mentioned during interview...https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/central-banks-and-digital-currency/overview/
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Thank you for joining us on another interview coming up with Clay Clark. Clay Clark, of course, is overseeing the Reawaken America Tour. He's been with us before. And actually, as this goes out, it'll be the 27th event over the two years in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And we talk about a lot of things. We talk about the tour, we talk about who's connected with and what the core issues are, which is about control, control from the WEF, vaccine passports, digital ID, central bank digital currencies, end of cash, all of that. So we talk about that control basically is at the heart of what the WEF are, trying to do. And then we end up talking about his input with Donald J. Trump, President Trump, and how he is helping him understand some of these things and the people around him, which is essential because we can educate the masses, but our leaders also need to be educated.And then in the beginning we went a little funny direction talking about, I asked him about the church and doing the role of the church and we went on some Bible exegesis.So I love interviews, you never know where they'll go.I thoroughly enjoyed that.And then we moved back on to the tour. So I think there's something for all of you.I know you'll enjoy it as much as I did.[1:38] Clay Clark, thank you so much for joining us once again.
 
Hey, thank you for allowing me to be here and thank you for not changing your accent.
It's great. It's great to have you.You can follow the Clay Clark there, the hashtag or the handle on Twitter and at Clay Clark on truth, which we've been using more and more actually using truth social.Of course, the Thrive Time Show.com.All the links are in the description and Clay, I believe we're doing this two days before, This is going to go out on Thursday the 23rd. And I believe you will be in Tulsa, Oklahoma on the 27th evening of your tour.Tell us about that.[2:18] Well, OK, this is what's happening here, Peter. I'm trying to help save freedom.I know that's what you're doing as well.And so I've met some great people on this on this journey. I've met, you know, Jim Breuer, Mel Kay, General Flynn, Cash Patel, Devin Nunes, I mean, just Eric Trump, whatever. They're great, great people.And what I'm trying to do with this tour is to create a platform for these voices to be heard, so that the patriots who want freedom can know what's going on and they can know what to do.And so we have an event coming up in May at a Trump Doral, that's in May, that's in Miami, Florida, for anybody that doesn't know that's Trump Doral in May.And then we have August in Las Vegas, Nevada.Well, the event in May, it's not gonna be, you know, until May, so there's a little bit of time in between now and then.And people are buying tickets for the May event in Las Vegas, and there's a great energy and momentum to it.I talked to the hotel there in Miami, and they said the Trump resort is saying they're selling more rooms than they've ever sold ever related to one specific event.And the event's not until May. The Las Vegas event, they said they're selling tickets at a record rate.So there's all sorts of great things. They're selling rooms at a record rate.But Jim Breuer and I got to talking, and Greg Locke, and we decided that what we needed to do[3:34] is an event on March 23rd and kind of a reverse Davos, if you will.Davos, they get together and they have their events where the self-proclaimed elites get together, and lecture you and I about decreasing our carbon footprint after they arrive there in a gas guzzling jet.And we thought, you know what, let's have one night where we just have a blasty blast, where we share the truth, we stream live to a million people.And so we're gonna do it March 23rd in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Right now, the actual attendance in my building will be about 500 people, but the actual streaming attendance will be, at least a half million or more, and it's gonna be a wonderful night.So if you love Jim Breuer, the comedian, you're gonna have a great time, you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be phenomenal. If you love the preaching and teaching of the word of God, Pastor Greg Locke will be here, Dr. Stella Emanuel, Pastor Leon Benjamin.Looking at the names here. We have just a great line-up of Simone Gold, the doctor, she'll be here.[4:28] You've got Mel K, the legendary investigative journalist. So it's really going to be a wonderful time, but it's going to be kind of in a trimmed down format. Amanda Grace, the prophet, will be here. Dr. Mark Sherwood, Pastor Jackson Laumeier. So it's going to be a little bit of a variety pack, and it's going to be like a Reawaken America Tour light, kind of a smaller event, but But it will be packed and the energy will be there.
Sounds awesome. I wish I was in Tulsa. I'm just back from Trump Hotel in Doral.I was there last week. So wrong week. Wrong month.
 
How was it? How was it?
One day, the man himself, he called in for a five, six minute phone call.Great, and I met someone cool there. I grit two, three days. Good fun.
But did you stay on the resort or did you stay off the resort?
I just stayed about a mile away.So it was full. So we just paid just out. But beautiful venue, beautiful atmosphere, really exciting.But I want to ask you, because the great reset, I am wondering whether the WEF, the globalist that we've all, seen, really have overplayed their hand.And they've come out of the shadows, certainly during the last three years, and have exposed themselves. And I'm just curious whether you think they may have maybe overplayed their hand and being too confident?[5:50] Well, I think I'm a fact guy, you know, so my niche is I'm a fact man. That's what I do. I think it's healthy for everybody out there. If you're listening, find your niche and scratch it.Okay, so like I'm very good at growing companies. And I'm very good at facts when it gets into like opinion of what could happen. My natural bias, we have a bias, my natural bias, people say, how can you possibly have this bias if you're successful?My natural bias is I'm very sceptical of everything. And I'm very somewhat call it pessimistic. But I don't believe, in the best in humanity. I don't believe that most ideas are a good business idea. I don't believe that most employees are actually doing their job during the workday. I don't believe that the government is here to help. And because of those things, I've had a lot of success because I plan for that which I can control.Now there's other people out there that are naturally optimistic and they're going, woo, the Patriots are in control, baby, woo.And I say, well, I have met now, I mean, Cash Patel, General Flynn, Eric Trump, Tenpenny, so many great speakers, you can see them at timetofreeamerica.com.And I can tell you, these people are better than advertised in person, just great people. You think they're great, but when you're around them, you go, these are great people. However..[7:12] they don't have a secret overarching plan that allows them as white hats to somehow be in control. And I think that is a punch in the gut that some people just don't want to hear.I think people are just give me something positive. You know, I don't have that for you.But what I can say is that the gospel, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21, that is real stuff. It's real. It's going to happen.The Bible is not fake, so it's going to happen. It's going to happen.And I don't think the Bible is somehow fake or not accurate or negative or bad because it doesn't say what I want it to say sometimes.So I would just say we are living through the fulfilment of that which was prophesied and bring about there who's new to the Bible.The Bible is about 73, 74% historical and 25 to 27% prophetic, depending upon who tells you this. So the prophetic parts are coming to pass.[8:12] So if you were an optimist, you would go, this is exciting. Woo, this is the most exciting time to live to quote Ric Flair.Woo. You know, and, but to, uh, for anybody that doesn't know Ric Flair was a professional wrestler, which is fake wrestling to quote Ric Flair.Woo. And so that's what he would do all the time. Woo. Or in my case, I go, uh, it's a little bit terrifying.Uh, a little bit terrifying here. I'm a researcher, so I'm always finding this stuff before most people. And so I find this to be an epic period of time.[8:44] And people say epic, what does that mean? An epic story or movie is where somebody tries to overcome evil in route to the good triumphing over evil.And I believe we're seeing evil and I believe we're seeing good.And I believe it's, I would describe this time as epic.[9:03] And what you're doing on the Reawaken America Tour, it really is, when you talk about the Bible, it really is what the church's role should be.And I find this really interesting that you have organizations that aren't the church, aren't necessarily, their purpose is not the role of church, but they've stepped into the gap and they are speaking of it.
Well, now we're going to get into a little theological debate here today.So I believe that when Jesus was instructing his disciples, his apostles, his people, he began to discuss that the church was his body.The body was his church. The church was his body.Now, some of you might disagree, but you know, so you read the Bible.I encourage you to look these verses up here.I've got many of them to my right here. You can read Romans 12 verse 4-5 says, for we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office.1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 27-31, now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular.I mean, I could sit there and read these all day. Ephesians chapter three verse six says, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of his promise in the Christ of the gospel.[10:24] So the body, what is the body? is the body? What? What is the body? I would argue that you are the body. If you believe in Christ, you're the body of Christ. That's what you are. And so we are the church. We are the church, you know, or two or more gathered. So I think, somehow, somewhere, I don't know when I don't I don't I'm not a big I went to Oral Roberts University. I really don't like, seminary. I went to Oral Roberts University. Probably a lot of people have been launched into ministry. And it's been great.But I've discovered that a lot of people, they go to Bible college or seminary and they start to have these weird, beliefs they have. So I'm just gonna give you a few Peter, like there's one denomination in America that believes if you play musical instruments, you are going to hell. And they[11:08] will just, I'm serious, they do. There's another group of there's another denomination in America, they believe that you are not, worthy to pray to God yourself, you need to have a person you pray to. So you pray to that person, you confess to that, person, then they pray to God for you because you're not worthy. There's another denomination I know, I'm thinking, just think of three right now, that actually right now is trying to bring in as many gay pastors as possible.[11:35] So, there's this thing in the Bible that says it'll be the great falling away, okay?And this would be 1 Timothy for anybody out there who's wanting to get into the Word of God today.I'll try to cite all my sources so that way you know that I'm not just making up random things as is par for the course in many churches today. Okay, so you want to open up your Bible to Timothy, all right, Timothy, and I'm just going to read the Bible refers to this great falling away.Okay, so 1 Timothy chapter 4, okay, says here, the Spirit speaketh expressly," kind of important, underline it, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.[12:17] Pastors. Ladies and gentlemen, we're celebrating our first gay pastor.What? Speaking lies and hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron. Andy Stanley, the pastor in America, mega church, he actually said you have to go, to get groceries, but you don't have to go to church. That's why he was doing the lockdown.It says, forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to receive with blessings of them, which believe and know the truth. You know, the pope is pushing this idea of limiting your meat intake. I mean, this is first Timothy chapter four, right there. What?I mean, TD Jakes, mega church pastor, he's pushing the shots with Tony Fauci. These are real, things Rick Warren is pushing the world economic forum. So I would say[13:02] I am doing my job as a struggling evangelist. I am going out there and reading the gospel, not claiming to have some knowledge. I'm not a charlatan. I don't have some super knowledge of the Bible that other people don't have. I'm just opening up the Bible and I'm saying, hey, everybody, open the Bible because the Bible talks about mixing the miry clay with iron. Daniel chapter two verse 43 and Daniel had a vision that God gave him of how it would all end and it says, And there it says, and whereas thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.What? He saw it as the fourth kingdom and Klaus Schwab is calling it the fourth industrial revolution. Schwab is wanting to mix miry clay with iron, transhumanism, man with machine.What? Revelation chapter 13 verse 16 through 18. Unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works if you look up W02020 060606 and you look at the Microsoft patent with a publication number W02020 060606 unless you're drunk or you don't have a mind that works you will see that that exactly fulfils mechanically the mark of the beast and someone says I don't I don't like that.[14:20] I don't like what you're doing there because what you're doing is you're trying to mix in the Bible, with practical life and the practical life that I live cannot possibly relate to the Bible because then it would cause me to change things. Oh no, I don't want to change things. I just want to go to church because it's something fun to do. Here's the exciting thing for you folks. I'm going to send you a patent here. I'm going to send you a patent in this private chat. This will freak you out. I mean if this is not the mark of the beast patent, look at this one. Everybody's got to see see this one. It's good old US patent 2021 0082583. I mean, you have a sound mind. You look at that patent. What does that thing look like to you.[15:01] We will include that in the description for viewers. I'll not put it on screen, but we'll certainly include that. So I encourage everyone to go and have a look at that.Can I ask you, moving, I could ask you a lot of other church analogies, but I want to move slightly off and talk about what we're seeing in the Great Reset really is all about control, isn't it?We've seen the vaccine passports, seen digital IDs, end of cash, central bank digital currency. It's all about a new level of controlling and telling people what they can or cannot do.[15:34] Correct. And I want people to understand this. If you haven't looked it up, folks, just go to Google or DuckDuckGo and type in MIT CBDCs. MIT CBDCs. I wrote you a motivational song, folks. But I'm not gonna sing it to you.I'm just listening folks, I'm serious.Everybody, some people say, I don't have the time to do it. I'm not motivated.Not your listeners, but some people say, Clay, you're telling me to type in MIT CBDC.I just, I have carpal tunnel.Can you sing me a song? Could you motivate me? I don't wanna, but if you look it up, not your listeners are motivated, but some people aren't. And you go there and you look it up, you're going to see that MIT has created the central bank digital currencies.Now, not to alarm you, but the MIT also, the same MIT, has funded the creation of the Quantum Dot.[16:24] The Quantum Dot, look it up folks. Now the Quantum Dot is what?The Quantum Dot is a technology that allows you to store your financial or medical records under your skin.That's what the Quantum Dot is. And guess what the name of the new central bank digital currency system is, they're rolling out. the name of the new company that's throwing out the central bank digital currencies.Their CEO, his name is Gilbert Verdean.It's called Quant. Quant. Yes, that is what they want.It is Quant. And now think about this, the name of the Google supercomputer that powers CERN.You know, CERN has a 666 logo. By the way, CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo, Revelation 9-11.[17:07] Wow.
 
CERN is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911. Look at folks, Revelation 911 and CERN's logo is 666 and it's powered by the Google Chrome Google Chrome, what it's powered by Google and the Google Chrome logo is 666 CERN is powered by the Google Chrome what CERN with the 666 logo is located on top of the former temple of Apollo Revelation 911 the computer that powers CERN is called the Google quantum computer has a 666 logo and Elon Musk refers to the AI technology they're using as summoning the demon. So I just I don't know if people are quite aware of the dystopian nightmare that awaits us if we don't stop the great reset. So Peter, what I do is I do I try to do about five to 10 shows a day with great people like yourself. And I try to cite, all my sources. I try to never give people hyperbolic things that could be true. I focus on facts. And I try to do that because the world doesn't need my opinion, they need facts. And most people just don't know these things.And so if you want to find all this information out, you can also go to time2freeamerica.com.And when you go there, everything I've cited on today's show or have said on today's show, it's all cited there at time2freeamerica.com.[18:19] I'm just looking at actually what you'd given MIT, I did, but it actually says on the Bank of England first, where is a concept of a CBDC in its 2015.I just want to put that to our UK viewers. And of course, Prince Charles and King Charles was at the 2020 WF conference when his initiative, his institute launched that public great reset along with the WEF.So Britain are certainly very much intertwined in this. So for those of you who are not in the States don't think this is a U.S. problem, it's worldwide, isn't that correct?
You are correct. And I think it's very important that we all begin to understand what is happening.We dial in, we begin to wake up to what is happening. I have a little audio clip I want to play for you.Should play just fine. This is the first person you're going to hear is Yuval Noah Harari for a reverse good time.If you have a bad time, someone says, I want to have a bad time. That sounds great.Go to Rumble and type in Yuval Noah Harari. Someone says, who's the guy that will guarantee me a bad time?Oh, yeah, this guy right here. He'll kill the joy. Yuval Noah Harari.He's the top advisor for this guy, Klaus Schwab.[19:30] And he's going to be speaking here. I want you to listen to what he says.Let's do this, here we go, folks.
 
Ideally, the response to COVID should be the establishment of a global healthcare system.[19:42] A basic healthcare system for the entire human race.
The Biden administration has negotiated deals to give the world health organisation authority over US pandemic policies.
New international health accords avoids necessary senate approval. The Biden administration is preparing to sign up the United States to a legally binding accord with the world health organisation that would give the Geneva based UN subsidiary the authority to dictate Americas policies during a pandemic, written under the banner of
[20:12] the world together equitably, the zero draft grants the World Health Organization the power to declare and manage a global pandemic emergency. Once a health emergency is declared, all signatories, including the United States, would submit to the authority of the World Health Organization regarding treatments, government regulations such as lockdowns and vaccine mandates, global supply chains, and monitoring and surveillance of populations.
You've written extensively on the topic that you've asked me to speak to, mastering the fourth industrial revolution.The Internet of bodies will for the first time mean that software will start causing physical harm to human bodies with some regularity.Could there be a connection between those two? COVID makes it, it accelerates the process of digitalization and automatization.It legitimizes the deployment of mass surveillance and it makes surveillance go under your skin.
It makes surveillance go under your skin.[21:15] What?[21:18] Isn't that crazy?
 
And that just came out just days ago. That is brand new information.And again, this is being exposed and showing even if we had the government in charge and many of us don't, they actually are extremely weak and they're handing the authority over to these, multinational faceless organizations.
 
Correct and they have no problem with giving away, our sovereignty to the World Health Organization, the World Health Organization that by the way promoted locked, they're basically a puppet organization of China, I'll say it that way.So China, they welded people into their homes, locked people into their homes.They're still taking people to these bizarre quarantine facilities.I mean, they have a zero COVID policy. I mean, this is worse.You talk about the surveillance state.They want to put surveillance under your skin.And that's going to be in charge of the World Health Organization.That's going to be in charge of every country.That's what's happening right there. But again, if you read the Bible, all this stuff is was prophesied.It was prophesied. That's what's happening right now.So we're in a spot right now where we're seeing the fulfilment of the Bible in front of us. Luke 21, Matthew chapter 24, And some people go, woo, this is exciting, the most exciting time I've ever seen. I love it. Yes![22:37] Other people like me say, I'm not really excited about this, but here we are.So I choose the decision that I made that I make every day is I choose to come on shows like yours, and to share the truth about what is happening. And then I get sued. So the former head of security and strategy for Dominion, Eric Coomer, sued me for defamation, sued the TOUR. So if you go to time to freeamerica.com and you click on the button, you can learn about the lawsuit, and it's expensive. And I do these events where I operated a loss because I let people name their price. I wish that every patriot was sitting around with $500 or $1,000 of discretionary income that they could spend at one of my events, but this is not the reality. So I tell people they can name their price. And the only event I've ever set a floor on or the lowest price you can pay, is the event we're doing in Doral in Miami because you were there, but you can only fit about 3,000 people in there. And because my legal costs have gone up, as well as the security costs, the security costs are a huge thing because Trump is now running for president. So the security costs went up. It didn't make the seating capacity go up. So we have to charge 175 minimum for that one.Now in Las Vegas, we have a little more run room because it'll be a bigger venue. In that event, in August, we can let people name their price and pay whatever price they want to pay. But again, And it's time to free America.com.People can learn more about that. They're time to free America.com.[24:04] There it is on the screen. Um, to other, you talk to them, the reawakened tour is all about education and you're presenting truth.It is a lot of truth to take, but tell us about, as you travel the country, if you find a, a willingness, uh, an acceptance of what is happening, a desire to do something about it, tell us kind of the response that you've got as you meet the public across the last two years.
Well, I mean, these are encouraging, it's factual. Usually I find a group of people that are very decent, they love America, they love of God and they are hearing most of this for the first time.[24:39] I know this because I asked them, I say, by show of hands, I do this halfway through day one, usually day two, I say, how many of you are learning about what's in the shots for the first time and every hand goes up? Woo.Okay, how many of you are discovering right now for the first time the mechanics of mRNA modified nanotechnology? Hands go up.I mean, it's amazing. People show up to see Jim Breuer or Eric Trump or Michael Lindell, or maybe names that are more known than my mind.You know, I'm pretty confident no one comes to see me, but when they show up, they learn all this stuff, and their lives are changed.And so I feel like my job right now is to help reawaken the world and to share the truth about what's going on.And I feel like it is something I'm called to do. It's not something that I wanted to do. I view it as a duty.And I just encourage everybody out there, you know, I still have five kids.I don't have, still five kids. I still own businesses. That hasn't changed.So now I get up every day at 3 a.m.[25:41] And I work until nine. This is my schedule right now is 3 a.m. to six every day.And then some days till nine. And it just depends on what the obligations are.Because there's not, if we do not get this information out now, we're not gonna be able to go back and go, well, I wish I would have said that.So right now I have a speaking engagement on Saturday that I'm preparing for.And so I've carved out a wonderful time at 3 a.m. tomorrow to make my outline for the presentation because there's very few things happening at 3 a.m.And so we all have to sacrifice. And I just encourage everybody out there, get involved in whatever capacity you can in helping wake up your family and friends.And if you are stateside and you can join us at the Reawaken America Tour, I encourage you to get those tickets at timetofreeamerica.com.Again, timetofreeamerica.com. Trump Doral in May and then Las Vegas, Nevada at Trump International in August.[26:37] Can I finish off just by looking at slightly separately, talking about education and educating the masses, the public, but I watched an interview you did with Mary Grace maybe a week ago, and you talked about educating Trump's team, educating leadership.Do you wanna just let us know a little bit about that? Cause that's exciting because we need government as well as the public to be educated.
I can say, my role is to meet with everybody who is around President Trump and to share with them the truth about a lot of things, but specifically the models that said 2.2 million people would die are false.So the whole fear for the very beginning was falsely created because the models that said that 2.2 million people would die from COVID are false.Two, the polymerase chain reaction tests continue to be falsely calibrated to inflate cases.Three, COVID continues to be treatable with budesonide, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.Four, the system and method for testing for COVID-19. The system and method for testing for COVID-19 was patented in 2015.[27:35] And the technology that goes under your skin allows them to win.It's called surveillance under the skin. You can see all the patents at, time2freeamerica.com forward slash revelation.Then if that part goes well, I explained to them, hey, I say, did you know that 1971 Klaus Schwab started the World Economic Forum for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 America got off the gold standard for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that America started trading with China for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger?Are you aware that 1971 the Pope completed the creation of a building with a snakehead theme called his audience hall. What did you know that in 1971, America began sacrificing babies to bail abortion? Did you know that in 1971, the book Rules for Radicals was written and dedicated to Lucifer? And they go, what? And so when you go over all that, if you haven't heard it, you got to get all that whole presentation down into about five minutes. And if it goes well, it's like a game show, you earn five more minutes. Yeah. And so I've been meeting with people and I try not to ask for anything. I don't know, don't say, and now sign my face or now speak at my event or I don't do that. I just try to educate and that's what I'm doing and we'll see what happens.
 
It's interesting because obviously Trump has got some criticism.[28:46] For being involved with Warp Speed, all of that, but I kind of give him the benefit of the doubt, I assume that you've got a team of advisors that you don't necessarily get to pick or put in there.[28:58] You're saying he has it, Trump has a team of, had a team of advisors?
Yeah, I'm trying to because obviously Trump was involved in Warp Speed, a worldwide effort, and he certainly faces, has faced criticism for that.
Yeah, let me walk you through this real quick. And this is something that Eric Trump had said on one of our shows before so I can vouch, for it.But basically, Eric said that when President Trump got into the White House, they were were told that since the time of Reagan, you're supposed to hire 4,000 employees, in your first 70 days.And that's been since Reagan, you know, so you're supposed to fill the roster with 4,000, new employees in 60 days. So, and that's something they've been doing since Reagan, you know, so it's like the RNC is just putting people everywhere. And you know, Trump didn't know who Mike Pence was, and that he would certify a fraudulent election. I mean, he didn't know.[29:50] Deborah Birx. I mean, she'd been there for 20 years, didn't know who Fauci was. And, you know, these people had been there for years, all plotting this plan. And he just happened to be the president that I might, I think that Trump received many more votes than people thought he would get on the first go around. So I don't think that there was ever that was that I don't think that was part of the great reset plan was to have Trump there. And so I think because Trump was there, it created a situation where they're kind of thinking, what do we do? Because he went to Trump went to the World Economic Forum and told him he's going to put America first and not going to yield to the the globalist agenda. So I mean, President Trump, to his credit[30:29] tried to get that wall built, fought back, kept us out of wars, made the economy take off, got inflation way down. And then you know, the pandemic that was planned for years, showed up.And you know, I, Trump didn't know that was gonna happen. So I if I was President Trump, I'd like to think that I would have quickly discovered that Fauci was a Fauci was a pathological liar and that Deborah Birx was, you know, as well, but I but I, He did not, right? And so hindsight is 2020, but I can just say my prayers and thoughts are with President Trump and may he lead our country back to greatness and may he help liberate the free world.[31:05] And I think on that, Clay, I will thank you for your time. Really appreciate you coming along and sharing and all the links for our viewers. So thank you for joining us today.
Thanks for carving me and my crazy schedule. Thanks for carving me into your, along me, my crazy schedule to fit into your schedule. Thank you so much.
Always welcome. Thank you very much. Bye.

John Waters - How Uncontrolled Immigration Is Destroying Ireland

This episode, making a return to Hearts of Oak is the veteran Irish journalist, playwright, author, campaigner and political activist, John Waters.We have all seen the pictures coming from 'The Emerald Isle' of the protests against uncontrolled immigration. These demonstrations are very similar to what has been happening in the UK and John joins us to discuss the impact that mass immigration is having on Ireland. The damage to community cohesion and the blatant disregard for what is best for the citizens of Ireland is producing a pressure cooker atmosphere, those who raise concerns are branded as racists, bigots and being far right. Loving ones country is no longer accepted or tolerated by our politicians and media, have the government overplayed their hand and can the people of Ireland reclaim their country? Join us for John's expert analysis on this situation.John Waters is an Irish Thinker, Talker, and Writer. From the life of the spirit of society to the infinite reach of rock ‘n’ roll; from the puzzle of the human ‘I’ to the true nature of money; from the attempted murder of fatherhood to the slow death of the novel, he speaks and writes about the meaning of life in the modern world.He began part-time work as a journalist in 1981, with Hot Press, Ireland’s leading rock ‘n’ roll magazine and went full-time in 1984, when he moved from the Wild West to the capital, Dublin. As a journalist, magazine editor and columnist, he specialised from the start in raising unpopular issues of public importance, including the psychic cost of colonialism and the denial of rights to fathers under what is called family 'law'. He was a columnist with The Irish Times for 24 years when being Ireland's premier newspaper still meant something. He left in 2014 when this had come to mean diddly-squat, and drew the blinds fully on Irish journalism a year later. Since then, his articles have appeared in publications such as First Things, frontpagemag.com, The Spectator, and The Spectator USA. He has published ten books, the latest, Give Us Back the Bad Roads (2018), being a reflection on the cultural disintegration of Ireland since 1990, in the form of a letter to his late father. Connect with and support John...SUBSTACK: https://johnwaters.substack.com/WEBSITE: https://anti-corruptionireland.com/Interview recorded 20.2.23
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[0:22] John Waters, it is wonderful to have you with us and thank you for joining us once again.
It's a pleasure to be on with you again, Peter. Thank you very much.
Not at all. It's been, goodness, two years. I look back and it's January 2021, so please, accept my apologies for not having you on. More often we will do. And for the viewers and listeners, you can follow John on his substack, johnwaters.substack.com. I get it into my inbox and it will give you John's perspective and thoughts on a whole range of events.So, I do encourage you to go sign up for that and you can even sign up for the paid version, if you so wish and support John in that way.John, you're probably looking at the substack and I was reading through it today looking at your description.I noticed that you call yourself an Irish thinker, writer, and as Irish thinker, talker, and writer. That's the one.[1:23]I would have just put you on as a journalist, but that word is connotations.But yet you're the first guest I've ever had on who defines himself by being a thinker and a talker.
Yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. You've put your finger on there.I use, I come up with, try and come up with words of self-description that are not journalists, even though as a child I couldn't, the idea of being a journalist and having that name appended, that word appended to my name was like beyond a dream, you know, and now you know just connotations of just lying and scumry and just speaking on behalf of the power, attacking the vulnerable, you know, and so on and so on and so on. So yeah, it's really just an alternative to being regarded as describing myself really as a lying scum-bag, which you know, actually, I will try a little harder and I must come up with some more words for that because I think I'm going to need them for a little longer.[2:14] I think I could say this, someone born on the island of Ireland, born in the north and live in the south, it's so Irish. People think of the Irish as talkers, as thinkers.So it kind of fits into that little stereotype.
It does, yeah.It's a little bit pretentious, I have to say, a little bit affected, but it needs most.I kind of toy with the idea of reporter, but it doesn't really get me.I am, but it's a particular kind of writing, I guess. So journalist is a word, which, as I say, once treasured and hopeful, I hope will be treasured once again in our culture and our civilization. But at the moment it's the, it's the byword of a scumbag, you know?[2:58] Well, one issue that journalists have been silent on, we could have a range of issues, but the one we'll look at today is immigration and what's been happening in Ireland. Looking at it from over here on the mainland, as I would have called GB when I was back living in Ireland, Northern Ireland. But it seems to be an immigration level that's much higher than we've seen before. And the Irish have traditionally been a people of hospitality, of generosity, of open arms. But do you want to just give us your thoughts, your assessment on what exactly has been happening regarding immigration at the moment?[3:35] Well, as you say, Ireland always had a steady stream of people coming here to live and work and stay and be welcomed.And we didn't ever have an issue of rejecting any such people.But what's happening now and what has been happening for over 20 years is actually quite different, but increasingly so, acceleratingly so in the past three years since the so-called pandemic, which was used as a cover to bring in huge numbers, by night in planes. You would see them in the morning in Dublin with their cases dragging behind them, like 10 or 12 of them having come in from the airport. At the same time that the Irish people were locked down, and forbidden to go any more than 2 kilometres from their own homes. Half the world was coming to join us without any consultation with the Irish people. And this was a kind of an acceleration of a trend that had been with us with us for maybe 20 years going back to 2004 and the opening of the European borders, which you know.[4:33] The Irish people voted for. I didn't vote for it. I didn't agree with it. Not necessarily for that reason, although you know for reasons that I had fears that what was what is happening now would indeed happen. But so people did vote for the expansion of the European community and so on, the union and I didn't quibble with that. But it was clear from very early on, from maybe about 2005, 2007, that there were a lot of people coming into Ireland who were not Europeans and who didn't originate in Europe, that they were using Europe as a stepping stone to get into Ireland. Again, that was kind of something that had no context or no explanation in the context of what we had voted for. It wasn't being elaborated upon by politicians and so on.[5:24] And I remember at that time, around that time when I began to become aware of that, I started asking questions about it, but you weren't permitted to ask questions. To ask questions was racist. So if you wanted to know, I mean Ireland was at the time a population of under 4 million. And if you wanted to say, well, okay, well, like, you know, to somebody who wanted to open up our borders, well, like to what extent, you know, like, what is Ireland? You know, Is Ireland, as Thomas Davis prophesied, just a sand bank on which we walk about and indifferently and it doesn't really matter who's here, it doesn't matter why they're here, it doesn't matter, where they come from, it doesn't matter what their agendas are, or can we actually fix a number?That was the question that seemed to me to be the most germane, to say to these people, okay.[6:07] Fine, you want to bring in people, okay, but can you tell us who you're bringing in and can you tell us what your end game is? How many do you want to bring in? A population of less than 4 million?What? Another million? Oh, don't be ridiculous. Okay, fine. So you're saying that's too many.Okay, that's the start. Okay. Well, then let's say at the other end, the hypothesis maybe will say a dozen people.[6:34] Oh you play games, no no I'm not playing games, so it's not what is not a dozen, is not twelve, that's too few, fair enough I probably agree with you.[6:45] Now somewhere between twelve and a million is a figure that we need to fix on so can we work on that a little bit and maybe we end up with a figure that say four hundred and fiftythousand and twenty five. Right. OK. So on Monday morning after that, the four hundred, and fifty thousand and twenty sixth person arrives at Dublin airport and walks up the plane and says, here I am. And we say, sorry, you're very sorry. You're in hard luck. You know.[7:16] We're full up now. We've taken our quota. We said we would. And that says, I'm very sorry, but you're going to have to go back on the next plane. Is that racist? Is that racist? Well, of course, we know the answer to that it is racist, because there was never any question in these minds other than that. They would have free access, free free reign to bring as many people as they wanted into Ireland, which is an unlimited number. They have no limits. And they say this now, by the way, they say there is no upward seeding, there's no cap on migrants. We've already taken in nearly 100,000 Ukrainians, for example, in the last 10 months. And they're saying that we could expect the same again within a year. I mean, you know, and moreover, there's a concept which has been in use here in general, which we again is subterranean, of family reunification, whereby once one person comes in, they're entitled to bring in their extended family. And there's actually no upward limit on that either it appears but the average that we have found per person.[8:21] It's quite a shocking number is 20. So you think about say a hundred thousand Ukrainians coming into Ireland and having the right to bring in 20 people a piece say, and it's more if they want.[8:37] Well, what's that? You know, like, like, like that's 2 million people like that, without a single conversation with the Irish people about what they wish for their country, what they fear from this tendency.
But Ireland has had a massive change. The Ireland I grew up in in the 80s is a world away from the Ireland today.And that massive change, I mean, depending how you look at it, I look at it as someone who's, maybe a Christian or a conservative and see that massive change with the church being quite strong, with a cohesion in Ireland, understanding what it meant to be Irish. But that has been upended and Ireland has turned for me one of the most conservative countries, one of the most liberal countries. And a lot of those changes, I think, have happened again without the public necessarily being engaged with and asked and discussed, what are the consequences of these actions? Are they good or bad for the country? Is that a kind of fair assessment?
 
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean.[9:57] Basically we were told. I mean, this is essentially what we're talking about here, Peter, is, totalitarianism, as defined by Václav Havel, you know, where he was talking about, you know, that the future is prepared for you and you were told you must live in it and there are no options, there is no menu. This is it, you move in. You're no longer a sovereign person in your country.You are just simply a passenger and you're the same. You have the same rights if you have[10:24] as anybody who comes in. In fact, in practice, what we're finding is that the Indigenous population no longer have rights in this context at all. And the reason for that is very interesting, because what it actually is, it relates back to the United Nations and the United Nations taking up of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in the United States, which kind of gave a legal oomph to a, lot of the ideologies that were beginning to float around at that point. And in effect, what it means is that when a migrant comes to Ireland or any other country in Europe.[10:57] They are in effect a floating piece of UN jurisdiction. They bring with them all those kind of entitlements and rights which the UN will now provide them with but it is the Irish people who must pay for them.With their communities, with their homes, with their safety, with their security, with whatever is necessary in order to fulfil the contract with the UN has extended to this individual migrant.And the Irish people have no right to speak back to this. It is quite clear. They're, you know, they're just being bullied.I mean by so-called entertainers, by celebrities, so-called by NGOs, by government civil servants, all paid out of the Irish taxpayers' pocket.Now abusing the Irish taxpayer for asking simple questions about the future direction of his country and the chances of his or her children having a home to live in.[11:55] And the Irish people are saying no in increasing numbers. And thank God, because it has taken a long time for them to overcome their fear of being demonised, of being called names by these people.But now they realise that the price of silence is too great.It is the complete destruction of their metaphysical home and the loss of the birth right of their children.[12:18] How is this, I mean, Ireland is a country that you know what Irish means and probably a country with one of the strongest identities around the world has been, but that kind of identity, that heart and soul seems to be ripped out of the country.How is that, how has that happened? Or how has that been allowed to happen?I mean, we see it in the UK, self-hatred of the country, but you kind of thought being[12:54] Irish is something different, is something to really be proud about and the fabric of the society and culture.How has it changed completely?
Well, you see, Ireland's been under assault for 800 years, you know, I mean, first of all by Britain, but more recently for the past 100 years by its own people, you know, who have basically stepped into the role of colonizers within, native settlers, as it were.And that has now, you see this whole thing of demonization. The demonization, you talked about this kind of conservative liberal axis.I mean, I don't necessarily think the words are hugely useful anymore, any more than left and right are useful, but they do describe something in a sense.And certainly they divide the field and we can see more clearly.So it's useful enough to use them, they're not necessarily words that have a precise meaning. And you know we've now had, as you say, these culture wars for particularly in the last decade where we had a series of referendums which attacked the fundamental rights section of the Irish constitution on the basis of marriage, on the basis of abortion, on the basis of so-called rights of children, which are now, by the way. I oppose all these at referendum.[14:07] And interestingly the one in 2012 about so-called children's rights was the most baffling for people, as to why I would do that. They say are you opposed to children having rights? And I say absolutely not, but their rights must be vested in their parents, has always been the case. Now after this, and it was narrowly passed, what happened was that the state took on the role of, super-parent and now you see the fruits of it where a government minister stands up on her hind legs and tells people that she is going to allow children of 16 years of age to transition, to change genders without their parents' knowledge or consent. Now that's the culmination of what happened in 2012. So to answer your question, this is the conditions you see. You see, I believe, Peter, that actually Ireland was, I forget the word, but there is a word in Spanish for what they call a self coup. I think we had one such of those in Ireland in 2011, which precedes this period, just a little more over a decade ago. And what it was, was really that the American government[15:14] under Obama seemed to take Ireland under its wing and send all kinds of secretive forces into our midst, nor to manipulate and so on, and teach us the expertise of scumry. And we learned well. Our leaders learned well. They are complete scumbags now. And so one of the things they did, and particularly so in the 2015 referendum on marriage, was they launched these LGBT goons.[15:43] As almost like Rottweilers, you know, packs of Rottweilers into the culture, telling people what they could and could not say, therefore what they could and could not think. And they terrified the lives out of people because people at the time, this was new and they'd never seen anything.People, Irish people are gentle and you don't want to offend people and so on mostly.[16:03] They need to get over that by the way. What you actually ended up with was what I call a culture of mutism or lock job where people became afraid to open their mouth for fear of saying the wrong thing in the wrong company and that they would be pulled up and reprimanded and chastised by somebody And that's therefore what you actually found in the last decade.And I found this in places like up in the west of Ireland, where people never stop talking and saying the most outrageous things to each other, all my life. And not being afraid of that, or not even being offended by it, but enjoying the possibility that you could have these entangled, but now, when you would mention some slightly risqué subject, there was look around......[16:55] And then they would say, but you can't open your mouth.
 
Exactly the same here.When people will say to you, well said, completely agree with you.I also share that concerns, but I really can't speak up because it's X, Y, Z. And people, seem to have lost the courage. They still have that inside belief, but they've lost the courage to speak.
Yeah. There was a great novel published there about five years ago by Anna Burns called Milkman, which was about that culture in operation in Northern Ireland.And that really resonated with me when I read it more recently in the last couple of years.It's a powerful book in that sense because it really gets at the undertones of what happens in a consciousness, collective and individual, when that kind of pressure for Omerta, is actually bearing down upon that culture.And that, I think, has been the singular most effective instrument.And that's why people ask, why is it that the LGBT movement are always drifting around the immigration issue. Well, that's why.They're paid to silence people. That's their skill.[18:10] LGB Rottweilers, that image sticks with me. It's a perfect description. What about in the UK, our politicians have talked about immigration, our immigration, which is out of control, has happened under a so-called conservative government for the last 13 years.They keep telling us, don't worry, we're going to fix it. We're going to put the brakes on it, we're going to deal with it, but they never do. So there is talk. In Ireland, are they even talking about trying to do something or is there just ignoring the situation?
No, no. You see, what happens is, yes, exactly that, exactly what you've described there, Peter, that there is talk. Occasionally, intermittently, there is talk. But that talk is purely to to damp down the resistance and people to go back to their work, their everyday activities and forget about marching and chanting and so on.And you get that now they've been muttering about the government now, mutter about, oh, they're now revealing, for example, that 60% of the migrants coming into Ireland have no papers.[19:20] Now that's a shocking, none of us in our wildest nightmares would have dared make such an assertion that even say half or even a quarter of these people have no, we would have regarded a quarter of people of those people having no documents when they arrive here as an absolutely shocking statistic.They're saying 60%. The government is saying 60%. They're admitting culpability and they're implying by that that they're going to do something to stop it.But of course they're not. They're saying that to give the impression that everything is fine now.The government suddenly has realized that maybe they've gone too far or it's gone too far or there's too many people coming here. We didn't intend this to happen.They put out advertising all over the world, telling people that if they came to Ireland, they will get their front door key within four months.[20:05] Wow. Wow. That 60%. That is basically a green light because you're publicizing that there's no stopping. You and I going traveling, you don't have your passport, you're not going anywhere.[20:23] And yet that 60%, I saw that figure. That's just a big green light saying, you can come here, don't worry about any legality issues.
That's right. That's right. And you see the point is, here's the important point. The people doing this, whether they be politicians or civil servants or NGOs or whatever, they are people who can claim to be virtuous on the basis of forcing other people to accept all of these newcomers.While never actually, because they live in basically sheltered areas that are not affected.[20:58] And they parade in the streets and accuse other people of being racist, smug in the knowledge that they live in an area where the houses are too expensive for these people to go or for these people to be placed. The government can't afford that or wouldn't seek to do it.It has targeted working class community. It strikes me a little bit,[21:18] they look for families that are lacking in some problem, maybe marital difficulties or, alcoholism or something like that. So there's a weakness.And this is the condescension of these people that they imagine their working class communities, have a weak solidarity or that they don't really care about each other or whatever.They couldn't be further from the truth. It just shows how little they know about the people that actually they expect to vote for them.And what you're finding therefore is that people are actually, the very people, they would have been better off targeting. In fact, they should start to target now the people that were marching in Dublin yesterday, or on Saturday.I would suggest to them that[21:54] they would take their video, get the video from the guards who were obviously filming the march, as they always do, and just find out where all these people live and then move the migrants in there. And that they will deal with the problem like that, no problem. Let's see how that goes for them. We know it won't go because as soon as this begins to encroach on these people's own doorsteps, their compassion dissolves and evaporates. It's only when it's being imposed upon others, that they're feeding the capacity to be, as they put it, tolerant.
Well, exactly the same thing happened in the UK. They're putting these people, not in the affluent areas, that would affect those in charge, but in other areas, and there have been big demos up in Liverpool, I guess mirroring what has happened over there. But tell us about those demonstrations because you kind of stand up and you think, okay, the people are beginning to push back. The worry is that people just accept, but there seems to be pushback. So tell us about those kind of demonstrations.[23:04] Well, particularly, I think since the turn of the year in the working class era before actually in East Wall in Dublin, there was a community there being encroached upon and they rose up and very successfully and very momentously and a lot of people around the world started to pay attention to this. And then there have been other places in Mullingar for more, different towns around the countryside. And what you see there is not, you see the slimy lying media tried to present this as a far right and radicalized by these shadowy figures from abroad and so on.So the utter nonsense drivel, lies.[23:42] And what it's actually the communities themselves, it's women with prams marching.And of course, then what happens is that Antifa and these people that LGBT thugs, who want to just wade in with their hammers, etc. can't do that.And they're rather annoyed by this. and they accused the marchers of putting their children at risk.Well, there would be no risk if these scumbags didn't come near them.[24:09] You know, so, you know, like we need to get, I think, really, you might think my language is a little strong, but that's what I think is most important about this, that the Irish people learn to ramp up their outrage, and trust their repugnance of these people and speak the words that describe them.[24:30] Because when you are dealing with something profane, you have to use profane language.[24:36] Or you do not communicate its true nature. And that's why I use those words. And I think that's beginning to happen now. The two things are happening. One is that people are realizing that the cost of saying nothing, of being quiet, quiescent and mute is too great.
We need the same back when Ireland was founded, their uprising and then fighting to gain their independence and that's exactly what you need, fighting for the right to reclaim your culture, what it is to be Irish and to not let politicians decide for you. So it is exciting to see that.[25:17] Yes it is and it's interesting that it's come from the working class and there's a very interesting parallel here to be drawn with the COVID episode, because again in that episode we saw, the quiescence of the so-called intellectual classes, the educated classes, the artist classes, you know, the the journalists classes, you know, so on. And it, but when you actually went into a working class community, people were common sense to get above what was happening, and saw right through it. And so now, you know, this is the extraordinary thing that, you know, that a culture, and this is very important, that considering that the impact this has made in a short time, without any recourse to reasonable coverage in the national media, all antagonistic, all lying, all mendacious and so on.[26:08] Without artists, poets, singers, so-called, you know, singing songs at their rallies and so on.These are just ordinary people saying, no, no, enough, enough now. This is our country.We were born here. Our children have been born here. We want to preserve this country for them and for their children. And you will not destroy it. Because remember, there's another factor here, which is somewhat obviously opaque because the police force refused to police migrants by and large. But there have been countless stories of rapes, of all kinds of intimidation, of thefts.[26:48] And so on, which the authorities refuse to even speak about. And indeed in which they will be gladly twist the facts in order to make it look like it is the indigenous population that are responsible. And we've had several incidents of that in the past year. Going back this time last year, a woman called Ashley Murphy was murdered by a migrant. And immediately, again, under the influence of the American experience of street theatre and so on, the street, suddenly, almost like as soon as it happened, the street was flooded with people with placards protesting against Irish misogyny.You had the similar thing in Sligo then in April last, where two men, two gay men were, basically executed by a Muslim. They were decapitated and castrated.And the president and other people and the LGBT scumbags went out and attacked the Irish for being homophobic.[27:50] You couldn't make it up, really couldn't.
 
This is what you're dealing with.I mean, you're dealing with a country that is so corrupt that, you know, the word is completely inadequate.We need new words. You know, the word, the nearest word that I can come up with or that I've discovered, that kind of gives a resonance of where we are, Peter, in Ireland now is the word that describes the nature of our government.And that word is Kakistocracy. Kakistocracy. Government by the worst. Yeah.That's what we have in Ireland.[28:23] Kakistocracy.
 
Tell us about, because in the UK we are having people, obviously the boats coming over, the little boats coming over the English Channel from France into Dover, into Kent, that's what's visible.And that's I think 50,000 last year, talking about 80,000 plus this year.But you've also got, that's only part of the issue. I think we've had a million people come into the country last year, that's legal and illegal.But it is often the visible route or those little boats coming over, that's the immediacy.But there are many other ways.What is the situation with Ireland? Is it the boats coming in with goods and services and people on?Where is, where are the routes coming into Ireland?
These people are being bussed in, they're being brought in by the government now.Essentially they're being flown in, they're flying in on planes like by an ARC.There was a period when there were boats arriving and so on, but we've kind of moved on from that.There's no necessity for them to go surreptitiously. They can get a flight to Ireland, the government will pay for it.They're told by the NGOs not to display their papers. Whether they hold onto them or not, we don't know.On some instances they don't.They throw them in the bin on the way off the plane, whatever.And so on. And to put a kind of a quantifier on what's happening, I mean[29:51] It's very hard because you cannot trust a single word that the authorities tell you about anything.[29:57] But I do know certain things about this because, I mean, first of all, there is the anecdotal[30:05] facility that we have. And I know that many times, if I've been in the middle of Dublin, I don't want to go in there now because it's a terrible place. But you would walk maybe from a place like the Four Courts to the pier station, which is about a mile and a half. And I would, as an exercise to myself, listen to accents and say, well, what proportion of these are Irish?And generally the Irish proportion would come out as somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of those.[30:33] So that's kind of a snapshot. But the statistics, of course, don't bear any resemblance to that.Now, I don't say necessarily that that percentage in the middle of Dublin is accurate as to the entirety of the country, but it is an indicator of something. Now another indicator is if we look at some statistics that I've seen for the decade from up to 2019, which is just before the period I've been talking about, the Covid period, when it is clear that on average in that period 120,000, immigrants came into Ireland each year in that period. But interestingly as well, 105,000 Irish people left. Now you just think about that. So we still have emigration, which is a historical problem we've had in Ireland, going into the mid-19th century, they're called the famines, to great famines, as it were.[31:32] That amounts to like, you know, very interesting when you go into that, because when you take away, you see the government strategy is to cancel one out against the other, more or less. That isn't, this is actually a replacement of one by the other. And more than replacement. So that means that you have well over a million from that decade alone, you know, and that's their official figures.[31:54] Now, I don't believe these people are telling us anything like half the truth. So, you know, You have to say there are words now that we have 25% of our population is non-national.And that would have happened within, that would have gone from pretty much a very low base, in 20 years, and particularly acceleratingly as I say, so in the last two years.[32:16] Now, when you factor in then another element, which is the fertility rates, respective fertility rates of the indigenous population, the Irish population, which has been now in recent years subject by these politicians to an abortion referendum which legalized it and in fact is, funded by the public purse, right? We, even though we object to the murder of children, have to pay for it when our taxes, you know, it's obscene beyond description. But, you know, if you just compare it to the fertility rate, as people will know, you know, replacement rate for the population, the current population of a country is it needs 2.1 children per adult female. Now, the figure for Ireland given is 1.8 but when you zoom in on that you realize that actually that figure includes the incoming population. So it's not representative because in many instances the fertility rate among those populations like for example in Somalia is something like five.[33:15] And so on. So therefore what you're looking at a situation where Ireland has I would say an an estimate of 1.3, which is about as low as it has gone so far in Europe.[33:25] And that's way below the replacement rate. In fact, it's way beyond the level that at which the population falls off a cliff, which is said to be 1.6 in a generation you've gone.You've lost your population. You've lost your you were a mere lump within the society.And that's where we're headed.[33:45] And they seem intent and then when you say that to you, you know, this is where it gets completely laughable to actually, you know, even though the UN uses the term replacement in relation to, to, you know, elderly demographics and so on.If I or anybody on our side of the argument uses the word replacement, that's regarded as a racist concept.And they just will say that I'm just repeating it. And because they control the entirety of the media, that's what other people, the ordinary people who are affected by this, pick up and then throw it out without thinking.[34:17] Unless it until it comes to knock on their doors. That is what that they would if you say, if I start saying, oh, yeah, that's for replacement theory.That's a racist concept.You know, this sort of stuff. And another concept that is supposed to be racist is a cultural Marxism, which is the opinion ideology of all of this, which is the ideology of the use of a victim, as a battering ram to destroy Western civilization. And that's what's going on.
Tell us, because Ireland is a small country, 4 million, the UK is well, we're told as me...
We're five now Peter, sorry.
Oh you're five, sorry. But for a small country, And that's massively affected.With the UK, you go up to the Midlands, you go up to Bradford and areas like that, and there used to be a church in every street corner. It's literally now a mosque in every street corner.I've walked around seeing it.But the change really in the country, with a large country, the change has been a little bit more gradual.With Ireland, the change has been very rapid.I mean, because that is an utterly destructive effect on a country which is so small.
Oh yeah, well you can see that already. You can see it on the roads in the traffic, you know, and you can see it on the M50 which circles Dublin. It's just a gridlock in the evening time.You can see it in the hospitals which are overrun.[35:42] There's lots of ways you can measure it. And then they tell us that there's loads of capacity, Ireland's a big country, and a lot of landmass.And I find this particularly interesting because I've been around a long time, and I remember being involved in arguments trying to suggest that we need a better, more evenly distributed[36:05] distribution of resources throughout the country in order to make sure that the West and the the South grew in a proper way.And of course I was told there's nothing down there only bog, but now it seems they've forgotten about the bog and it seems we can now take tens of millions of foreigners in our country.So this is the thing, you see, okay, well look, Peter you have to really then stop because it's quite clear, and we go back to that word, kakistocracy.It's quite clear that the people doing this have no conscious or thoughts whatsoever for the effects it's going to have in so far as that they[36:46] don't care if they damage Ireland, they don't care if they destroy Ireland, they don't care what happens to the people of Ireland. That's quite clear. There's no doubt about it now. They're more or less saying that the Irish people are not entitled to get houses before migrants. That's policy now in effect. Even no matter how long they've been on the list, they're not entitled to to continue, they're taken off the list or they're pushed back and the migrants are ushered ahead.Now, you know, I, and this is all being used with a kind of a blackmail tactic of, you know, are you a Christian or are you not a Christian? All this nonsense. People who haven't a Christian hair on their heads. You know, like, so you then have to look at these people and ask, well, what is going on? Why are they doing this? Are these the same people who asked for our votes?[37:36] Not that long ago? Are these the people who promised that they would look after our country.[37:41] And that they would take care of it better than the others? Well, now one of the things we notice is that they're all saying the same thing. So that this isn't just that it's one party or the government, it's the government and the opposition and the fringe leftists or whatever they are parties down to maybe you'll get two or three independents who are dissenting in a certain kind of sort of a kind of way. And you have to say then that essentially what it means is that Ireland is completely captured and is captured by an ideology that is intent upon destroying it, and that the leadership and the political class know about this.And that they're working it through on behalf of the interest, whether they're being paid, whether they've been blackmailed, whether they've been threatened with hurt or damage, I don't know.[38:32] But they're doing it willingly. And they're doing it in such a barefaced way that no sensible person, could do other than gasp at what they're saying and what they're responsible for doing. So[38:45] the question then is how much longer it will take for the people fully to awaken.And see not just this issue but all the others as well. And then the next question is well, what could we possibly do about it? Well, you know, I've said it before, Peter, I think the only hope for Ireland really now is complete collapse. The complete collapse of the Irish economy for many years, maybe a decade, might actually have the consequence of readiness of all of these problems, readiness of the political establishment has been responsible. We thought we done that before, by the way, in 2010, 11. But they came back, the same people, which is a long story, but an interesting one. We might talk about it some other day. And, you know, so I think that, you know, if the Irish economy could collapse, and I think it might in the coming year or two.[39:40] I think, and Europe, of course, with it. I think that we would have a hope of basically our country going back[39:49] 30, 40 years and building again from the ground up.
 
Well, you're right, because Ireland has grown really and had spectacular growth.[40:01] We're told the tiger economy with a lot of foreign investment because of the tax, low taxes, having an educated population, English speaking population right on the edge of Europe.And it's grown on the back of that and made Ireland a desirable despite all the different crashes.But if Ireland is no longer desirable, then people obviously move from Mogadishu to Dublin, because there's an attraction.But if the society collapses, that attraction goes. So that does make sense then that reverses that immigration.
Well, first of all, I want to clarify a little bit about the economic story because that is a mythology which is broadcast by political interests. The reality is that Irish economy[40:53] is dying, has been dying for decades. What you're talking about there, what they talk about, what they promote and trumpet around the world is a cuckoo in the nest economy which comprises entirely multinational corporations who benefit Ireland almost only to the extent that there's a little trickle which falls at their feet and that we lick up off the ground. The economy of Ireland, if they came into Ireland those people promising to create jobs and the assumption was that there would be jobs for Irish people. Google, take one example, would you like to guess how many of the the Irish population, what proportion of it is Irish, of the staff of Google?
You'd expect like maybe 50%?[41:37] 5%. And that draws the picture for you. This is a complete con. The Celtic Tiger was a con, of course it was. It was just simply a bicycle pumping up a bubble and then burst. And we ended up with a debt of something like 50 odd billion, which includes the debts of half of Europe as well well as our own. And now we are in this situation where we have all these, like for example, we have data processing plants in all over Ireland, hundreds of them, which are using up more electricity than the entire population put together. They're also using water to cool down these things, which means that this summer we're going to have a dramatic drought, in Ireland. Already the signs that the reservoirs are very low and we're still in February, the months that historically we were told fills the dikes, not only nowhere, the dikes are now empty or very near to us. And this is all part of the same pattern, you know. So the Irish economy has been struggling and of course it was delivered a series of absolutely lethal hammer blows during the COVID episode where many people were put out of business, small businesses, you know, all over the country. And that is still to work its way through.[43:00] So this is all happening at this time. Now you'd have to conclude Peter that this is clearly no plan, for the development of Ireland in any way what's happening. It is the plan for mysteriously and opaquely and so on and so on and so on. Who can possibly see into this? Who could predict it? Who could have predicted it? It is a plan for the destruction of Ireland, the permanent obliteration of the Irish people from their own country and their attestation by people who presumably by, by virtue of having no attachment to the sand bank, as it will be, as Thomas Davis warned us against, that they will be people that will simply just do whatever work they have to do, spend their money and not cause any trouble, that there will be no talking about patriotism or any of that nonsense in the future, and that the authorities and the secret unknowns who run the world will have no headaches emanating from the island of Ireland.[43:59] Well, just finally, looking at what's happened in the UK, actually a commentator I heard yesterday, on the radio was talking about the cohesion of a culture collapsing and people pushing back. AndI think that's just as we're seeing in Liverpool and in touched before. And I think that's what I see that hope that it's no longer shrugging your shoulders and accepting it, but it is a pushback, from the people.
 
I think it's, you see, it's so desperate now. We're now at the point where desperate measures are necessary. And you can't predict what will happen in that situation because you[44:39] can't judge people by their responses in peacetime. And you might have got the impression that the Irish people in the last three years were very docile and compliant and so on and so on. And some of them are undoubtedly, but I don't think they all are by any means. There's a spirit there.That burns, that has guttered a little bit in the last three years, but is now beginning to sort of liven up a little bit. And I think I wouldn't like to be a politician in the coming couple of years.[45:04] Exactly. Well, John, I appreciate you coming on and sharing what exactly has been happening over in Ireland. So thank you for being with us today.
Thank you, Peter. Great pleasure.

The Week According To . . . David Vance

How’s the craic?It's another Irish night at Hearts of Oak as David Vance joins us afresh to give us his honest and often scathing appraisals on the talking points, from the news and his social media this past week. Under the microscope this episode.....- The Invasion: Illegal channel migration expanding.- Tribunal due to rule on Shamima Begum’s citizenship case.- Florida issues new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer a heart attack after taking experimental Covid jab.- Better late than never: Past COVID infection 'as good as vaccines' at preventing severe illness.- Brexit: The betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons?- Trump statement on Sturgeon's resignation in Scotland.- Those prosecuted for silently praying outside an abortion clinic are cleared after arrest by police sparked fury.- Lolz. ‘Chinese spy balloon’ shot down over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.- Net Zero Bollocks: Log burner rule change in England could land users with £300 fines.- LGBT-BS 24/7: Trans NHS- Food inflation skyrockets in the UK. Pureblood David Vance will not submit, and he will not comply.He used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused!In the battle for truth and liberty, David chooses the front line, he has been writing and talking politics for a long time and is a published author, political commentator and podcaster extraordinaire!If the Covid 19 plandemic taught him one lesson it is that critical reasoning and a healthy contempt for the mainstream media are desirable armoury in the fight against tyranny.Follow and support David on the following links.Website: https://davidvance.net/GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/davidvanceTwitter: https://twitter.com/DVATW?s=20&t=vaRYl6wCZ4_ZLJ9DB0xpXQTikTok: http://tiktok.com/@thedavidvanceLocals: https://thedavidvance.locals.com/BrandNewTube: https://brandnewtube.com/@TheDavidVanceChannelPodcast: https://vancedavidatw.podbean.com/Originally broadcast as a live news review 18.2.23
*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.
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[0:22] Thank you for joining us. David Vance, thank you for coming on this evening to share your wisdom.[0:27] My pleasure. And don't forget, you're also streaming on Twitter as well.[0:33] We're on my Twitter and your Twitter, our Twitter. Two Twitters become one.[0:42] The wonders of technology. We'll pull in comments as they appear on the side. And as always, lots happening. I don't know if we will get through the stories. David, I noticed you had a[0:59] great guest. I'm sure all your guests are great. But Christina Bobb you had on recently. Do you want to just mention that just to give people a flavour of what they may have missed?
Well, very, very simple. It's kind of ironic. A lovely guest, a really good person. Christina, as you know, is an attorney to the Donald Trump 2024 campaign. She was involved back in 2020 as well. She'd written a book, Peter, about essentially the shenanigans concerning 2020 and the lessons to be drawn from that so that 2024 isn't a repeat of 2020. So we had a great conversation. She made a lot of good points. I mean, she's very much on the, ball and then I got an email the next day from our good friends at YouTube saying you're not allowed to discuss the 2020 election. How dare you? We're taking this video off our site and, and we're giving you a seven day strike.Take that Christina Bobb, take that David Vance, take that Donald Trump. This is the cancer that is[2:01] Google slash YouTube. So yeah, what can you say, Peter? You're having a civilized conversation.Christina is a very, I mean, she's an attorney, so she knows how to speak in non-inflammatory terms and kind of fact-based questioning, but that's not allowed, which tells me that the scandal of 2020, Is so great that over in YouTube and Google, they're just not prepared to countenance, you know, so[2:29] maybe with our friend, Wachiki, having left the building, maybe Google, I don't know if it's, going to write itself or not, but anyway, Trump won.
 
Exactly. Yeah, you should know better, David, than streaming it. Come on.
 
I'm reckless. Well, the thing is, Facebook, I streamed it there, It was fine. But YouTube, oh no, you can't do that one. So yeah, I think I'll be very[2:57] selective what I bothered streaming. In fact, actually, Peter, I might not even stream. I might, just do shorts over in YouTube because it's such a, it's such a censorious assess, but there's not a good content on it. Don't get me wrong. But for people like me that want to get out more, that's challenging stuff. But it's the first strike I've had in quite a while. So there you go.[3:23] Well let's jump into some of the stories and let's have a look at immigration and let's see if I can play this. My producer is away at the moment so it'll just be me. Let me see if I can pull this up.
[3:39] For the people smugglers, increased police activity around Dunkirk and Calais has made, their regular launch points more difficult to operate from. French authorities are also busy erecting miles of extra security fencing around those beaches and that's driving the small boats further south. For years the criminal gangs have predominantly used the shortest route, to the UK, pushing off first from the beaches around Calais, then expanding to include areas near Dunkirk. While occasional boats have been launched farther south, in the past six months this route using beaches near Boulogne has seen a significant spike in activity.And for maritime...
David, well, this is obviously immigration. This was GB News covering it, talking about the difficulties of these poor individuals not being able to go the shortest route. And we've been really selfish in telling them they have to go slightly further. But yeah, you'd posted at this. Tell us your, your thoughts. Because GP news is really the only one that highlight this issue.[4:49] Yeah, it's only a matter of time to off come declare that any conversation on this is off limits, Peter. But yeah, I mean, it's seen that and the thing that struck me is number one, oh, how awful that they're being forced around the French coast a bit. I mean, the right place to, push them would be right round and down to Spain so that they then have to head back across the Mediterranean to Northern African shores where many of them come from. But yeah, I mean, the way the way the media would have you believe, you know, the sheer inhumanity of it, why, don't we build a bridge so they, you know, or a slide so they can just slide across the English Channel. It's all farcical anyway. I couldn't care less where their, you know, their start-off point is. It should never, ever end with them landing on British shores is what I think. I think our obligation is to stop every boat from wherever it comes, with these criminal gangs, Peter, driving it, and then these, frankly, criminals who are on it.[5:53] Because if you partake in a criminal act, I'm afraid that makes you a criminal.It doesn't have any other walk of life, but apparently not to these poor, disadvantaged, vulnerable men of military age coming across the channel in the dinghies.So yeah, it's interesting what's happening. Also by the way, in that video, did you see the fence that the French are putting up?.It's a bit two foot tall. I mean, you could step over it. That's stopping nobody unless they are very vertically challenged. So most people are going right over that fence or right through that fence. And this is what we're paying millions and millions to the French. Better pay the French nothing, have a strong naval presence that actually stops the boats and stops them coming here.Because once they get here, it's all over for us. you know it's straight to hotels in Knowsley or wherever else they can be found.
But David, I thought the short fences were really quite racist because they're claiming that anyone who's a foreigner is very short and us Brits are very tall.[6:57] That's right. Yes. It's more racism. I'm glad you can see the racism here because it's important, we keep our eyes spotted for this. Yeah. It's kind of like it's such a shell operation from the French.I mean, they're doing the bare minimum. And I mean, ultimately, whether it's, you know, whether it's Calais or whether it's a bit further along, what does it matter? If they come here, they're in, so we have to stop them coming here. And of course, this is a serious point, as you know, and I'm sure those watching this understand, there's absolutely no desire on, the part of British political class to stop any of them. I mean, I've seen Nigel Farage talk about this and he's right about this. There's just no desire. They don't want to know. And as you also know, the only way we can really stop it anyway is if we leave the ECHR, if we invoke our own sovereignty, and as I say, if we actually do something, but we're too scared, to do it. Our politicians are too scared to do it. So yeah, it's going to be a slightly more southern sort of starting point for them, but the finishing point is always the same, the UK.
Yeah.[8:05] Well, let's look on to actually not people coming here, but people leaving and then not being able to get back.And if only they were all like Shamima Begum in that we would strip them off the right to stay.But this is, I think, shocking to most people, tribunal to rule on Shamima Begum's citizenship case next week.So she's in this legal battle with the government demanding, no, I know I'm a terrorist and I went off with ISIS but hey, I'm actually just a nice girl now, if they're right.But it's such a waste of time and money, it's madness.
 
It is Peter, it's all of that and worse.So I think there's a fair chance that Islamic bride Shamima Begum will be permitted back into the UK.You've seen, I'm sure people may have seen over the past couple of weeks.[8:58] Stories going out about her almost treating her like she's a model, a kind of a fashion icon.[9:05] This is the same lady who did say that she felt that the Manchester Arena bombing, that terrible event that happened back in 2017 was justified. She said that.Same lady who said, I mean, when you think of, I mean, I put a podcast out on this today, because I was contrasting.So Shamima Beggum being treated by the parts of the media as a fashion icon is kind of shocking.And yet she sympathized with the bomber, the Jihadi, who killed all those kids and their, moms and dads. So awful stuff.And at the same time, and this is where I draw the contrast, and this is why, yes, I I do hate the British establishment.Morrissey, the singer Morrissey, then releases an album or tries to release an album, the title track of which, is specifically about the rage he felt over the bombing at that Manchester Arena.And well, what's happened to him? Well, it's not being released.That's what's happened to him.[10:11] So he's taken a view, which I think many people will feel, looking back at events like that, we shouldn't look back.They say, don't look back in anger.Morrissey says, we should look back in anger. And I say that as well.But he's non-persona, he's cancelled.Meanwhile, I reckon there's a fair chance that Shamima Begum will come back to the UK, and be hailed as some kind of new woman, strong, empowered woman coming back to bring much needed diversity, which no doubt she picked up in the Islamic State camps to the UK.Oh, what joy.[10:48] Diversity, that's what we're missing. Before I jump on to some of our COVID stories, let me just pull up some of the comments here.I've got the Gettr tab open. So Tiger Boy 1985, first on Evening Peter and David.Then Canadian Mom 1997, Evening Peter and David. Biotech Babe, Chris Davis 33, Melismac.We have, I'm trying to, there are lots, yep, there are lots of you there.So I'm scrolling, scrolling. Thank you for, few picture comments there.Thank you for joining us.And I hope we'll provide some entertainment for you as the evening progresses.So let's stay on, let's jump on to COVID, from immigration to COVID.And is this really quite an unusual story?A story of course David that we thought should have been there right at the beginning, but anti-lockdown Florida, I don't know if the Daily Mail are saying that's good or bad, anyway, issues controversial new guidance to doctors telling them to warn patients they could suffer heart attack after COVID shot.So the Florida Health have put out a release telling doctors to issue these warnings.[12:07] It's quite an unusual story, quite an unusual thing happening now. What do you, this obviously caught your eye.
Well it did because I mean again the rank hypocrisy of the plagiarists in the Daily Mail.[12:21] I use the word plagiarist advisedly because it plagiarized me during the week.[12:26] So yeah, anti-lockdown Florida. Well, so is that pejorative? Can they not just say Florida? Do they have to put that in? There's the first point. The second point, it made me laugh this actually, you know, the issue of controversial new guidance. What's controversial about it? It's fact-based, no doubt about it, that we know empirically, no argument that the COVID jabs can cause[12:51] cardiovascular events such as heart attacks. So we know that. So, you know, I don't understand where the Daily Mail is coming from that, you know, they could cause heart attacks. Of course, they do cause heart attacks. We know that. But maybe Peter, I like the broader picture is perhaps, beyond the remit of the awful Daily Mail, is that this dam that is breaking, I've been going on about this now, I think the last time we talked as well, I think more and more as the weeks go by, the months go by they can't hold back.They just can't hold back the truth coming out about the jabs, about the adverse reactions, about all the horrors, the stuff that we were talking about, we were shouting about, back at the end of 2020 before they even started the jabs. We warned. And now, yeah, the Daily Mail, and I think this is, see, this is the function of organizations like the Daily Mail. They go ahead of the game a little bit to start maybe, you know, preparing people for the awful reality that, that the jabs do cause heart attacks and the jabs do everything but give you that which you were told.So I thought it was an interesting headline. So maybe the Daily Mail is just softening people up for whenever we get more and more stories, more and more information and we can see exactly what has been going on for two years.So I thought it was a significant headline, although I do dispute much of what the Daily Mail actually says.[14:21] Oh yeah, let me just bring up one of the graphs they also included, which again, this shows the adverse reactions and they actually say this is a 1700% increase.Now, it would be good if they had actually led with that instead of including that away at the beginning.Because they've given the reason and yeah, you're right, they're seemingly attacking, the officials in Florida.But yet they include the data that shows the reasons why.Again, it doesn't make sense. The story, the headline doesn't really connect with the truth they give.
That's right.Exactly, Peter. And all the way through this, we've argued from a position of facts and data, because, I think that's the only basis for argument really, because if it's just opinion, one, man's opinion is another man's poison.But when you look at the data, like that chart you just put up, I mean...You know, and there's more and more of this coming out. I mean, if you look at excess deaths.[15:24] which we've all been talking about, it's unstoppable now. I think Germany, I put up a thing today, Germany sitting at 50 percent excess deaths. Do you know? And I mean, and I take, there's no pleasure at all in being proven right. But by the same token, there's no pleasure about, being ignored when you're trying to do the right thing and warn people. So yeah, I mean, you know, it looks, wow, it looks like something happened in 2021. In fact, actually, if you look at Germany, which is even worse, you can actually see the big spikes in excess deaths and all these events, coincide with the first jab, the second jab and the booster jab. It's clear as day. And, you know, know, I think that they're at the point now where they know this just absolute deluge of information is going to overwhelm the defences they have stuck up for the past couple of years. So at least Peter, we've been on the right side throughout this. And I just feel sorry for people who, you know, who went along, who believed the authorities. And we have to be careful not to be, you know, too sort of patronising to them. I feel bad for them, because a lot of them have woken up themselves and said, whoa, no more of this for us.Mind you, if you're in Canada and you say that, you're not getting an organ transplant.[16:44] I saw that, pure evil from Trudeau.[16:48] So that was the Daily Mail wakening up, and this is Sky News wakening up.Past COVID infection, as good as vaccines at preventing severe illness.While the research suggests that natural immunity could be just as good as vaccines are preventing serious illness from COVID-19 infection, the study's authors encourage people to still get vaccinated to avoid any complications from the initial infection.David, unpack this.
 
Yeah, well, you see, yeah, this is interesting, this one, Peter, because, what they're trying to say is that natural immunity is as good as anything that the vaccines give.That's what they're trying to say. But at the same time, still encourage people to take the vaccines because sky like the BBC, like all mainstream media are 100% in the pocket of the government one way or another. So that's why they're saying that. But you see, I've got an issue with, I've always got issues with these things. I've got an issue with this because I dispute the fact that natural immunity is the important thing. That's what we all have.[18:02] And it's a really good defence mechanism. But they're trying to suggest that, yeah, it's as good as anything the vaccines give you. No, it's much better because the vaccines don't give you any immunity. The vaccines weaken your immune system. They call all these adverse reactions we've just been chatting about. So even in a way, Peter, I can't accept this bit of it, where they're saying, oh, the two jabs isn't any better than having natural immunity.It's way worse. It's way worse because natural immunity, what you've got, what I've got, which a lot of people watching this will have, it's not going to give us myocarditis or Bell's palsy or cripple us or give us infertility issues. None of those things from natural immunity. But, if you take an experimental mRNA jab, then there's a very good chance you might get potentially some of those things. So, you know, yeah, again, I think it's all softness up. So natural immunity.I remember the conversations. Don't you, way back with Fauci and this one and the likes of Chris Whitty, when people did bring up the, you know, the whole thing about, well, you know, natural immunity is very strong and I remember them looking straight into the camera[19:15] and lying and say, no, no, no, no, no, the vaccines, the super duper vaccines are much better.They're, you know, and you look back in it now, and sometimes it's like we've lived through a complete nightmare. And we lived through it. And we were awake and throughout it, you know, and you look back at what they were those guys were saying, and now they're confounded by the very story you put up and that's sky running it, by the way, who were big shells for the jab.So yeah, ultimately it's just interesting to watch this, isn't it?
They are big shills. The weird thing is that it talks about the studies, their 65 surveys, but they said it was partially funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
I thought that was a weird comment to include in the story.[20:05] Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, is that Sky covering their backsides?Uncle Bill phones them up and says, what's this? What are you trying to put out?I don't know. It was strange.But I mean, again, it's just ultimately as we both believe and many people watching believe, truth will out and the truth is emerging all the time.And so, you know, all of a sudden, yeah, natural immunity. Oh, it's really quite good.And these vaccines, well, maybe they're not what we told you they were. Maybe they're not.And you give it six months and give it a year. And I just think this is just going to, you know, that's why they have to distract us, Peter.That's why I think with these kind of stories breaking, that's why you've got UFOs over the United States.That's where I, that's why I also think, you know, we have disappearing women near the riverbank in the United Kingdom. I think it's distraction politics.Don't look there, look over there.So they're losing, you know, Zelensky and Ukraine, they're absolutely losing to Russia.So let's not talk about that. And then the COVID truth is emerging, let's not talk about that.Well, no, let's do talk about that. And I'm not, you know, and forget their silly youthful stories, their silly spy balloons and also bizarre stories about missing women.
Right. They're not again the myths that just utterly bonkers that story and being the main story and it's random. It just, yeah.[21:33] But anyway, we're enough down the rabbit hole, so let's continue.
Yeah, yeah, we can go a lot further than that.
We'll go there. Northern Ireland.[21:46] That we are told that it's all going to come good here. GB News reporting Rishi Sunak is saying don't worry, that major announcement coming up.But you don't really buy this. Your comment was the betrayal of Northern Ireland beckons.
Yeah, of course it does.I don't believe any of that. No, no.So this is obviously with regard to the Northern Ireland protocol and the fact that the DUP, won't go back into government until essentially the border of the Irish sea is removed. And, we have Sunak and the EU in cahoots with each other. And I think he came over here, Peter, on Friday, Sunak, for a flying visit. And I think that was to try, I mean, all the pro-EU parties seem really happy about it. They're real happy about it. DUP, I think, with good[22:40] reason or asking a lot of sort of we'll have to wait to see all the details. I think what the, see my theory about all of this is that the British government and Boris Johnson, they left Northern Ireland in the single market and subject to the ECJ for a good reason and that was that by leaving, a part of the UK in those areas that that created friction. How do you solve that friction? Well, if the rest of the UK was to be closer linked to the single market and closer linked to the ECJ, then there wouldn't be a problem at all. And I do think that's the end game. I don't know, they're not going to get to it, but that's where they want to get this one. So I reckon I've been here before so often in matters Northern Ireland, they play this game, you know, will there be a deal? Won't there be a deal? Oh, it's one minute to midnight. Oh, you know, all this stuff, all it's all theatre, it's all sort of media hype. And they'll come out with something and they'll try and bounce the DUP in it if they can. And I would hope, and I've spoken to DUP friends and said to them, you know, I think you should stick to what you've said all along. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. We shouldn't be treated any differently, no better, but no worse. We shouldn't have borders between us and the rest of our, you know, our fellow British citizens. And so if Sunak[24:06] can't respect that, then we should with all due respect tell the Prime Minister to go and do one because we're not interested. And it looks like there is some Brexiteer resistance within the, Conservative Party still that is similarly inclined to that mindset. So in other words, you know, Prime Minister, treat this part of the UK like everywhere else. Don't try and do[24:28] You know, sort of dodgy deals with the European Union. But yet I think he will try and do a dodgy deal with the European Union.[24:36] Well, what are your thoughts, because obviously following Northern Ireland politics, being, Northern Irish, but watching it from afar over here in London, Jeffrey Donaldson seems to be someone who is invisible. I mean, Arlene Foster was always out there on the media. And my perception is the DUP are completely silent, that they may be very vocal in Northern Ireland, but actually the message doesn't seem to be getting out there. Is that a fair assessment?[25:11] Well, they've got no media friends, you see, that's the problem. So if you take to the local media, the Northern Irish media, I mean, the only time the DUP has come on is to be beaten up.I have sympathies for the DUP. Like for example, like last, I mean here's a small example of the, utter cynicism of the media and the politicians towards the DUP. So they tried to push through a law called Dáithí's Law last week, Dáithí's Law, named after a little six-year-old boy who needed organ transplant. And this law would basically, if it was enabled in Northern Ireland, mean that[25:52] just like the rest of the UK, you would be automatically, the government would have first dabs to your body if you die. At the moment, we've got the much better position where we're naturally opted out, we have to opt in. So that's how it should be. Because there's no way the government should be able to claim that, which it does in England, Scotland and Wales. So that's a position. And what this law would do is bring us in line with the rest of the UK. And of course, it plays on the heartstrings, little boys, you know, they're going to die if they don't get the organ transplant. And the only way that can happen is if the DUP go back into the assembly, appoint a speaker and then enact the law. So to be fair to the DUP, they stood against that bit of emotional blackmail this week. So although Peter they're silent in media terms,[26:46] there's a relative strength still there. And I think electorally, they don't fear an election, unlike the conservatives. So there's good reason for them, hopefully not to cave. But like all political parties, you know this from yourself, there's a spectrum of opinion within each party.So there'll be some people in the DUP saying, well, maybe if it's not too bad a deal, we should go that way. But I think the fear of them then being seen to have compromised and sold out would mean that they'd be punished in the May council elections.So I think the DUP will probably dismiss whatever it is Rishi Sunak and the European Union have, plans. But it does tell you plenty that Sunak's in league with the EU.What more can I say?
 
You mentioned the story and I read that story and how it came across to me over here was that because an agreement has not been reached, obviously no one can get any transplants anymore, so the whole health system must have stopped. And that's how you get all these people dying because they can't get any transplants. So now you've explained, actually I completely understand.[28:00] What the truth is, but it shows how the media spin it.
Well, it absolutely does. I mean, this is the same media that was spinning because of the energy hikes and the government brought out £600 payments to help alleviate.People were saying, oh, unless the assemblies, Northern Ireland Stormont Assembly is put, back in place, no one's going to get anything. We got it all before anyone else in the UK.This is why I'm a great advocate for not having government. I've learned that by not having a functioning government here, things get done better and faster and without the same sort of political grandstanding and all the rest of it. So my sincere hope is that the the assembly is not restored and we continue in Limbo.It's great.[28:44] Now one politician you do like, we all like and miss is this man here, Mr. Donald Trump.This was a, I hadn't actually seen the statement until I saw it on your Twitter page and it, is beautiful.Let me just read this is the statement on, I was going to say the death of Nicola Sturgeon, resignation of Nicola Sturgeon. And Trump says, good riddance to failed, woke, extremist, Nicola Sturgeon of Scotland. This crazed leftist symbol. Oh, it is absolutely beautiful. And this is what we are missing. Trump actually causing chaos in the White House.
It's superb. It was the best bet. The whole thing about her resignation. This was the best. But this is the language, this is what makes people love Trump, I think. It certainly makes us love Trump because he absolutely didn't hold back at all. And he mentions, I mean, he's aware of the gender recognition reform, but he's aware of all of that stuff.I thought it was brilliant, Peter. Beautiful, as you say. Absolutely fantastic. And you compare that actually how Trump responded to her resignation to how Rishi Sunak responded saying, Oh, we would like to thank her for her service, blah, blah, blah.[30:09] I thought, you know, there was Trump. I mean, the only thing is he did bring up his golf course.I mean, he can't help these things, can he?Leave your golf, leave your golf course out of it.[30:19] I appreciate probably the SNP weren't helpful to him, but please.There's a difference. But it was otherwise 100 percent brilliant.And that's what we we missed. Those mean tweets. It's about time Donald Trump got himself onto Twitter, because if he's going to get elected, he needs that audience.
I agree. He needs to be everywhere as you and I are. So moving on to continuing the politics line, a piece of good news.And I think last week when I had Lewis Brackpool on, I think we just touched on this, mentioned this because it had just come out, but it's all come out now.And this is, you've interviewed her before David. Catholic woman prosecuted for silently praying outside abortion clinic is cleared after arrest by police sparked fury among supporters who condemned thought crime.It's also very good news, but it doesn't really clear up what actually are people's rights or not.But tell us about this because you've spoken to her, you've had Victoria or Isabel on.
 
Isabel, yeah, yeah.I had Isabel on for a chat there. The thing is, the background is pretty obvious.Was arrested for praying in the vicinity of an abortion clinic, silently.[31:40] And the very fact that that can happen in the UK should cause everyone great concern, you know.And when I spoke with Isabel, I mean, she knew that she was going to be taken to court this month, and they've dropped the case.Because they obviously decided on the balance of evidence that they probably couldn't get her on it.But I'm relieved about that because although having said that, as I did say to her at the time, When she was interviewed by the police and the policeman said to her, are you praying?Do you remember that? And she said, I might be.I might be. And on the basis of her saying, I might be, that's when the arrest was made.Now that's probably illegitimate.Had she said, yes, I was praying, then on the basis of the restriction order, because restriction order does actually say you're not allowed to do anything that could be perceived.So listen, it's a good news story. Let's not take it. I'm so happy for Isabel. I'm sure it's a lot of relief from her. But these kind of orders that they are definitely experimenting with, and maybe this one, they didn't get this one away, but there'll be somebody else and it'll be someone, innocuous, someone like Isabel who's a really decent person, a prayerful person, someone who,[33:04] you know, you couldn't fault the thing that she said. When I did the stream with her, I mean, the response from my viewers, Peter, was universally, this is such a courageous, brave, lady, but why is she being, why is she being, why was she arrested and why is she being prosecuted?And a lot of people outside the UK can't believe that it could happen, but it did. And we need to make sure that, you know, things like this don't reoccur. But ultimately, I'm happy that it's a good result for Isabel. But I hope other people could do it. Like if someone wanted to go and do pray outside an abortion clinic tomorrow, what would happen? And I guess, you know, I don't know.[33:43] It all points back to the politicization of her place and how the police operate in the country.And I think that's a big problem still.
 
No, it is, it is. And of course all this happening under conservative government, as I do always like to point out, so much for that. And this is, again, this isn't a story about, pro-life or pro-choice, it's a story about freedom of speech and the right to stand on a corner and to pray. So it is about those fundamental freedoms and it's not necessarily about the whole abortion debate.[34:17] It's really exactly, it's not about the abortion debate at all really. I mean if people want to have a silent prayer in the vicinity of, and we talked about this at the time, it's such an, incredibly stupid law. I can't believe that they conceived of this and that councils and whatnot are using it to create these situations around different places, you know. But yeah, it's just and saying, I mean, you mentioned the fact that it's happening under a conservative, government. No, it's not because this isn't a conservative government. These bunch of imposters in the conservative party, almost unilaterally, not maybe all of them, but almost unilaterally, are fake conservatives. I mean, they haven't conservative bone in their body.They don't care about free speech. They don't care about all the things which I reckon that all the patriotic people who would have in times gone by, sort of, were the Conservative Party, believing. They don't care about any of those things. It's all about power, it's all about[35:20] control, it's all about stamping down on free speech. And, you know, so, yeah, so they're not, I just wanted to correct you, they're not really conservatives, they're imposter conservatives.
Conservative in name only.
 
In name only. Cheetos, yeah. Cheetos Peter, yeah.
So let's go, you touched on the balloon UFOs, let's touch because there have been new revelations David.And the new revelation is, according to The Sun, that the Chinese spy balloon shot over Alaska last week may have belonged to US amateur ballooning group.I mean this just changes the whole story.
 
I know, it's clown world.It's absolute clown world. I think with the release of the Epstein papers, which we've now seen all the details on, I, think having narratives like this, which did dominate the media, I mean, it was amazing.And then here we go, Peter, as you say, you've got it up on the screen there.It may have belonged to the US amateur ballooning group. So you know, what he sent up, what was it?[36:24] I can't remember what the aircraft was.
 
It was an F-22 they sent up,a very expensive trip, a very expensive trip actually.To shoot down a 32-inch balloon.So just a small balloon.[36:40] Yeah, as I pointed out, the real balloon problem is in the White House.It's not up in the 40,000 feet or whatever these balloons were.But yeah, you had all this madness going on in the past week or so, and all these objects being shot down, as you say, at extreme expense.And the White House even initially saying, well, we don't know about the balloons.We don't know where these objects, where they come from.ET phone home. And so they were almost going with the, it could be extra-terrestrial story.And then because that was so ludicrous, then they started to back away from that.And then it was China, China, China. But actually, Peter, what's interesting is back in 2017, 2018, the US was boasting about the fact that it was trialling,[37:30] I don't understand this balloons. I mean, are we going back in time?I mean, do you know what I mean? We got satellites. What do we want balloons for?They were doing balloons as well. So, I mean, it doesn't surprise me that this could be a US balloon.[37:46] I don't know why the Chinese would be wanting to use that kind of tech. But then other people have said, oh, the one that was shot down over the Atlantic, you know, when it got the one that was spotted over Montana by a farmer, how come Norad or how come no US intelligence services were able to tell us about it, but a farmer was able to spot it and make its way all across the, states before being shot down. Some people have said, well, it actually had anti-gravity.I mean, what do you believe? It could go to Mach 5 and have anti-gravity. And I'm thinking, well, if it could do that, how come they shot it down? So I don't know. Look, anything coming out, of the white house, your best advice is just don't believe it.[38:35] I mean, Mach 5, that would be what, three and a half thousand miles an hour. That's the fastest balloon. I don't know if balloons can travel three and a half thousand miles an hour.[38:46] Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you that Phileas Fogg would be envious. He'd be around the world in 80 minutes, never mind 80 days if he was doing that kind of speed. But we still don't really know exactly what went on other than its distraction politics and that's honestly what I really think this whole story was about. It was so bizarre the media all jumped on it Peter as you know over here Rishi Sunak declared that oh yeah there's any of those balloons over the UK I'll not hesitate to send up the, well whatever we've got left of the RAF to shoot them down so I mean your guess is as good as mine what it actually was. But it definitely was a distraction.[39:33] It was. If this was a 32 inch balloon, hobbyist balloon, then it was not the massive thing.But I'll just give you a... So an F-22 being a plane buff, the F-22 Rapture, it actually is around $85,000 per hour to fly it. So that's all it costs. It's a very expensive trip to shut down a hobbyist balloon.That's the first.But I saw a CNN story and the CNN story was they had secretly got into China and secretly gone to somewhere 300 miles away from Beijing to a secret air base and it was making these, balloons and there were all these big...This was a massive investigation by CNN.What? Yeah, it doesn't add up.
 
Yeah, listen, that's why nobody watches CNN.CNN is a stealth news channel.It doesn't actually have any viewers.It puts out this garbage, probably again to try and prop up the White House fantasy about this here.[40:46] Honestly, I would have thought that China has the technology if it wants to spy.I mean, look, for goodness sake, how many Americans have got TikTok on their phone?If you want to spy, if that's your thing, and I'm sure the Chinese do it, but I'm sure the Americans do it too.If they want to spy, you can do it through a mobile phone. You don't need to put balloons, but I do find the balloon just on the tech side of things.So we're going back. I mean, what next? Pigeons, are we gonna have spy pigeons, that have little cameras attached to them and they've been trained to fly over US military bases, shoot down the pigeons, spot the pigeon, those of a certain age will remember that.Wonderful cartoons, spot the pigeon. So yeah, it's all mad, it's insanity.Again, that's the times in which we live.
 
Don't give Biden any ideas. He'll be releasing the pigeons.[41:37] This is a story which actually is about two and a half weeks old, but you read posts and I think it's, I don't know if I covered it, so it's good to highlight what is happening. And there's a bit and I didn't realize. And this is log burner rule change in England, could land users with £300 fine. And actually you scroll down and it says that households in England, you're safe over there in Northern Ireland, you can emit your five grams of smoke per hour. But households in England could face fines up to £300 and even criminal records. So, a criminal record. So you've got all these illegal immigrants coming in, you've got all the grooming gangs, and yet the focus from the government is that you can't emit more than three grams of smoke per hour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how much hot air does the government emit per hour? This is ridiculous.English people have been burning wood, Peter, since time immemorial. I mean, and these wooden, these burners like that in the picture there that you've got above there in the story.I mean, lots of people have got these. My sister has these in, one of these in her house. And[42:59] people, if anything, were actually encouraged to get these. And now, as you say, you could end up, with a criminal record because you're burning logs in your home to keep warm. And of course, I wonder is this because they want to squeeze us in energy so you can't afford your gas if you're using gas or if you're using oil, you can't afford your oil. So what we're going to do is we're going to just corner off the wood. Don't think you'll go into the forest and forage wood and then use that no no no because we're going to be tracking your smoke emissions and if, they're above X amount as you say then that's a fine. We'll empower the local council to you know to have a never mind a traffic warden, a smoke warden, someone who will go around checking for you know tell-tale signs, coming from your chimney or whatever and yeah slap you with a fine and maybe you could end up with a criminal record because you want to stay warm?[44:01] Are you kidding me?But anyway, yeah, I thought that was, you know, it's another one of these ones, it's England, so it's not here for me.But undoubtedly, you know, when these lunatics get these ideas, they spread out like 15 minute cities.Same idea.
Yeah, there was another one on Net Zero and I didn't include although I meant to, which was a post you put up about the cost of breakfasts and talked about a cost of 22% and anyone who goes to buy butter or eggs or milk knows the crazy cost.And I guess we're told that's how we're winning this war. how we're beating Russia by actually meaning we can no longer afford to buy food,butter literally has doubled in the last year as of eggs.And it just, again, I don't think it's us that are winning.Talking to Callum on Thursday and he's just back from his Russia trip.So it seems a Russia winning and not us.Yeah, take that Putin. doubling our inflation, we're going to make it impossible to have, as you say, eggs and[45:11] butter and milk and all these staple foods. And this is why you see that my argument in this as well is that the inflation figures that they play around with are so deceptive. Ordinary people know that[45:26] If they go to, yeah, look, you go to the supermarket, you do your grocery shop, that's when you know what real inflation is.And there you have Peter, you've put it up on the screen, I can see, you know, all these things.Look at the double digit inflation way, way up, 20 plus percent and above.And that's all inflicted on British families by the government's insane sanctions against Putin, which have had this kind of blowback. And we're paying it. And Callum's right. I just put out Russian exports have gone up. Russian imports have gone down. Their economy is much more balanced.[46:11] Specifically Europe, Western Europe, it's committing economic hari-kari to, well, not really to teach Putin a lesson because Putin's happy, I would have thought he sees the state that we're all in. But I feel bad for people who, you know, on fixed income, say pensioners, who have to go to the supermarket. And you mentioned butter there. Like, where are they going to find all that extra money from? Not from their pensions. So where?Well, they don't. So what they do is they scrape and save and they try and make do with less. And that's where my anger against the government comes from. I think of the people, disadvantaged people, the people on fixed incomes, the elderly people, and they live in the real world. You go to the supermarket, Peter, like you have to get your food. And at the same time, they're being hit by huge heating bills. And this is all to teach Putin a lesson. I mean, the only lesson is we should never have gone along with sanctions against Russia. Absolute stupidity but then there's a globalist agenda in place there as we all know.[47:18] But we're all suffering, but of course I'm so glad that Rishi Sunak doesn't have to suffer because I'm sure he doesn't worry if bread's gone up from 80p to £1.50.I'm sure it doesn't really take a dent in his budget.
Well if you're married to a billionairess, it probably is something you're going to be able to cope with, you know. But yeah, exactly. I mean, this shows you the detachment of[47:41] a lot of the politicians from ordinary working families, or indeed retired families, either which way. It shows you that they cannot appreciate what must be going through many ordinary people's, household budgets. Like how the hell do we cope with this? How do I feed my kids? How do I do this, that and the other? Because as you showed there, Peter, those are real price increases. So whenever, the BBC tells us, oh, good news, the ONS said inflation is down to 10.1%. Do me a favour.No, we're not buying that. That's another thing we're not buying. We know that on things that really matter to people like food, it's double digit all the way up 20, 30%. And that's not likely to go down anytime soon. Because remember, energy costs and food manufacturing is a big, element of the final bill. So that's why businesses reflect a lot of this in the end price. They have to or they go bust. And they're not being given the level of subsidy, by the way, that they need.So I just think this will stay here for a good bit of, you know, maybe the rest of this year.[48:48] Well, it's good that there wasn't a fixed income. Maybe pensioners will be helping the war by dying of hunger or will die by freezing. That all helps Rishi Sunak. Yeah. The rest of them.
It's very noble of them. Yeah. A sacrifice which Rishi wants them to do.
 
So, onto the NHS.A friend of mine actually didn't, we talked and he was going to go and see the doctor and didn't go because of his concern that he would be forced to have a jab.And if you're maybe older or less mobile, that is a concern.But this is the other concern that you go and this thing appears in front of you.Now that is some mug shot.Oh, that is some mugshot. And this is John Harrell Trans NHS.Just wanted to say how lovely all my colleagues have been in treating me just as one of the, girls. These people used to get help.[49:47] They did and they still need help, but they're not getting it. Instead they're being indulged.I mean, look at this. Just read the rest of that out for everyone there, Peter.
So in treating me just one of the girls in my new NHS post, interesting time with one young female patient who wanted to be treated by a female and I felt I need to explain I was a trans female. She's just said, that is fine. You're female. And he wanted a female nurse to treat me.
Yeah, things that never happened. Does anyone actually believe that? If I was in an NHS bed and something like that came towards me, honestly, I would be right out of that bed, out of that ward and away down the road. There's no way. But yeah, I mean, NHS trans nurse.And by the way, she says to that, she's got a new NHS post. So this is our wonderful NHS in action, putting people who I would say have got some form of, at least I'll be polite, cognitive dissonance, to put it politely, or mental issues in some regards, it shouldn't be[50:59] treating people, Peter. They should be being treated, I think. But hey, what can you say?That's the NHS. It's good to know what the NHS priorities are, trans nurses. Well worth your taxes.
 
But David, it is good that you obviously commented if that...thing came along then suddenly it feels much better. Actually it does help with the healing process.
It does, it picks it up. Honestly if I was a death door and I seen that angel of death coming towards me I would be gone. So as you say, maybe it's a miracle cure they're going to introduce one of those in every NHS ward and watch those bed occupancy rates go down through the floor as, As everyone legs it.[51:45] David, let's just want to face off for the clip you put up. And the weird thing, this is this is the really weird thing.[51:54] I was looking at this this afternoon and I thought, did I look at this because David tweeted it?I know because you tweeted three hours ago.So I was looking at it completely differently, having a little chuckle.And that is a Monty Python sketch. Oh, yeah. I just thought I would play it as we finish because it is good to end on humour.I'm a little bit confused why I was looking at that as you were as well separately.[52:24] So let's just play this. I think there's a longer for this is just one minute.I'll play this in 60 seconds. But I'll play this.[52:36] Give me a moment.[52:39] I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.
What?[52:46] It's my right as a man.
Well, why'd you want to be Loretta, Stan?[52:53] I want to have babies.
You want to have babies?It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.But you can't have babies.
Don't you oppress me.I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb.[53:07] Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?[53:14] Here, I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans.[53:23] But that he can have the right to have babies.[53:26] Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.Sister, sorry.
What's the point?[53:34] What?
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?[53:41] It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality. Great line.
Yeah, yeah. We're not going to top that one, Peter. That is the first line.[53:58] No. Yeah, but yeah, that came up on my TikTok, actually. That's where I saw that one.Because I like comedy stuff too, you know.And wasn't that prophetic though? the Pythons did that. So that's from obviously the life of Brian, which came out in 1981, or maybe 79.79, yeah. Yeah, 79. And I remember going to see that movie way back then, you know, as a child.And it was really, you know, it was really funny and people thought, well, you would never actually have conversations like that. And then 2023, you talked about the trans nurse, you know, and you realize that we are living in a post-Monty Python world whereby the surreal is now being made. We have to believe that it's real. But the payoff from John Cleese is excellent. It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
 
Let me put just some comment at the end on GETTR, Tommy AU, you, Canadian mom 1997, Huckle3229 Hisalways Vicky and more. Thank you for tuning in David.Thank you for joining us as always.
No, my absolute pleasure. I was having a good laugh. I do think Peter in times of darkness,[55:19] and you know, pressures in all kinds of ways, it's healthy for us to all to laugh, to laugh at the oppressors, to laugh at the tyrants, to laugh at all of this madness. I think it keeps us sane. So I think this has been good for my mental health as well. So thank you for the opportunity and thanks for all the viewers. I recognise a lot of those names. Thank you folks for being here with, Peter as well. I make sure you support Peter by and also make sure you see me on Monday night in in my study at 8 p.m.When we're gonna be talking actually, Peter, with a lovely lady that you and I both met three weeks ago, Charlotte.
 
Ah, Charlotte, yes.
 
Because in Countess of Burnley she...[56:05] Baroness of Burnley.
 
Baroness of Burnley, yeah. Yeah, Charlotte's coming on for an hour of giggles on Monday night, so we'll keep the humour motif going I think for as long as we can.
 
She's good fun.The viewers will enjoy it. So you can watch either, you can watch that live and then flick over to Hearts of Oak or vice versa, whichever you so wish.So everything is there. But David, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Peter.
 
And thank you to all our viewers.Or if you're downloading this listening on the go as a podcast on Podbean or any of the podcasting apps.Thank you so much for listening. And we'll be back with you on Monday with John Waters looking at what's happening in Ireland with the immigration invasion, which one in four hotels are now booked up by immigrants.So it's lovely hospitality has now gone out of control and destroying the country.So tune in for that on Monday.
Do you know Peter, Peter, just popping in. I was down in Dublin myself just about a week ago.
And did you get a free hotel as well?
Well, I was going to say, I was trying, there's a couple of what I would call business hotels where people meet up for coffees and have a chat.[57:22] They're all closed. They are closed and they're only open. They're, they're, they're for essentially, um, well, yeah, the, uh, the immigrants.So it's amazing what's happening. So that should be a great chat with John on Monday night.Look forward to that.
And then Charlotte with David also on Monday. So I wish you, our viewers, listeners, wonderful rest of your Saturday.Good weekend. And we'll see you on Monday.  

Callum - англичанин в России / An Englishman in Russia

This episode we welcome Callum back to Hearts of Oak as he joins us to discuss his latest trip. First it was an Afghanistan vacation, then a cheeky weekend in Serbia and now his recent sabbatical takes him to Russia! He is best known for being the co-host on the hugely popular Lotus Eaters Podcast and is now carving out a 'dark tourism' niche for himself by showing us these countries in a way we have never seen before. His report on his latest trip to Russia, including the Donbass region is a must see, absolutely fascinating viewing. The media tell us one story. Callum is showing the other side.Watch the documentaries of his adventures...Russia: https://youtu.be/B0i0zbuCIIMAfghanistan: https://youtu.be/2oMW5pL9Z4wSerbia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Q_Tp0IVzc&t=3s
Our previous interview with him...
Callum - رجل إنجليزي في كابول / An Englishman in Kabul 
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[0:22] Callum, it is great to have you back with us once again.
 
Oh hello, thank you for having me again.
Not at all. You go to these weird and wonderful places in the world, so it's always good to get a completely different viewpoint. So thanks for coming on and obviously the links to not only this trip but all the other ones are in the description. So people can just click and go to your Britannica, Politica YouTube, which actually gave me it gives me so many ads. So it's obviously popular if it's throwing up so many ads
 
I don't think YouTube's found out yet. I think they're just doing our travel vlog, right?Nothing unusual there.[1:03] I thoroughly enjoyed it but to our viewers obviously you've done, This is your third one, isn't it? because you were on talking about your Afghan trip and then you did a little sneaky week ender in Serbia.And then this is number three.Yeah. In the series.
 
I'm trying to go to Chitels for fun. So we did Afghanistan, which thanks to Miles.When we went to Serbia, I mean, the main thing there wasn't, I mean, it was Serbian culture and whatnot, but also we went to go meet the migrants.So loads of Afghans and whatnot, they come up through Serbia.One of the main routes because they're not in the EU to then get into the EU via Hungary or Croatia and then to the rest of where we are.So we went and interviewed those guys and those guys are just not great. I'll be honest.I was not filled with confidence meeting those people because they have no interest in us.They have no interest in anything that is with the West. It's literally just gibs.They're not in danger in the slightest. So whatever. There's that. So go check that video out.And the most recent one was I decided I'd go to New Russia.[2:12] So not only old Russia, as we know it, the Russian Federation, but the new provinces.So I went down to Luhansk and saw what life was like there at the moment.
Well, let's get into all this. This is an Englishman in Russia and not some of your others.Again, the links for those documentaries there in the description.But I guess Russia is easier to get into than Afghanistan, but maybe more difficult than Serbia, so its kind of in the middle.[2:41] I mean, what do you define by more difficult, I suppose?
 
Well, you did. It's probably slightly more difficult.Maybe there aren't as big a range of flights and then you still have to go and pay for your visa.So, I mean, you just go to Serbia. I've been to Serbia quite a few times and you can drive there.So it's actually kind of more accessible, I guess.[3:04] But you got there, your hotel. I love the way you... What was it? Big ass bed.Very nice. Big ass TV. Very nice. Carpet. Very nice. I love the surprise to see carpet.But yeah, it was a decent hotel.
 
It was a very nice carpet. I'll be honest. I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was. I was like, oh, it's great. Like just to have such a high quality, who cares, carpet, right? You just leave it, you forget it for 10 years, turns into a piece of crap. No one ever replaces it. No, this has been replaced recently by the feel of it.But the getting into part, when I went to Afghanistan, you pay for the visa, you pay for the flight, whatever it was. I think it was, what was it?30 hours or something of flights. So that was pain.But going through security, you turn up, fill in some form, no one reads it, no one interviews you.What are you going to do? Make the place worse? Good luck.But Russia right now, of course, they're taking their security extremely, extremely seriously.For the understandable reason. So I got taken to a separate room after my passport just failed to scan.[4:16] Okay, they take the passport off you. You're then looking around and you notice that the only people with you are a bunch of people from like Egypt and then some Ukrainians.That's gonna be fun. They then move you to another room where you just get told to sit and wait. How long?[4:34] Four hours later. I've been here for four hours. What's going on? Wait. Thanks. Cool. Everyone around you by that point. The Ukrainians have left. They're fine. You're still there with all the Egyptians.And then eventually you get dragged into a third room where you just have to get, I don't know if the word is interrogated, but they want to know everything about your life.And a mate of mine who's also British, who was only visiting Russia, not the new regions, he had the same experience.So apparently this is for, if not EU citizens, at least all UK citizens, which is you get enhanced security, which is they check your phone, they check what you got in your bag, They ask you what you're doing, who you know, they call them up, ask them why the hell you're here, they want to know where your parents live, the whole shebang.[5:20] So yeah, I mean, that's worse than the Taliban, but you know, it's understandable.
Taliban is up there. Hey, I'm sorry, DJ Q says Zelensky green question mark.So is that a Zelensky t-shirt you have?
 
No, I got this before him.He's stealing my look, if anything.
Victoria Willing there says, Mcduck is tasty. We'll get on to that in a bit.But one of the big things obviously is cash. So you were showing your hoards of cash on your desk when you got to the hotel.Obviously cash is the only way. I mean, tell us what that was like.[6:00] Yeah. So for the Russians, people seem to think, so I had all the cash and the people thought that everyone just uses cash there.No. As soon as we kicked them off the payment system in the West, they've just logged onto a new one.[6:13] British, it all works, it's fine. And everything they pay with this card, I saw very few people carrying cash. The only people that affects are us. So when we turn up as foreigners, we have to bring piles of cash now because you won't have a card that works. And if you think, oh, we'll just open a Russian bank, put money in there and then use a card. Yeah, you can, but it's not the easiest thing in the world. And also, I don't know, do you really want to go through that rigmarole. It's easy just to carry the cash. So yeah, if you're going to go, definitely take US dollars. That's the best thing. The other thing is euros. I tried some British pounds. No bank in all of Moscow would accept my British pounds. So I tried like five.
 
What was it like?I remember when I was living in Bulgaria and I could open up a bank account and it had to be US dollar. So whenever you went to get money, you'd queue up, the 20 years ago at the end of ATO, you'd queue up, you'd eventually get your dollars, you'd join another queue, and then you'd get, that would give you a slip to exchange it into lever. And then you join the third queue, and that would give you lever as about 45 minutes. But how do you just go in and you had to show ID and exchange your money? You don't even need ID. You just turn up to an exchange place, as much dollars, um, they'll give you whatever. I think if you did a high enough amount.[7:37] So if you did like a couple of grand or something like that in one go, maybe a grand, they'd ask you for ID and documentation, but if you do like a few hundred here and there, no one cares. So it's, it's very relaxed.
 
Or if only we were like that. And what, so you, yeah, you got there, you, You checked it. The hotel was an impressive hotel. I mean, the lobby was huge.[7:58] Yeah, it's an old Stalinist building. I think Stalin used to have dignitaries stay there.[8:03] Beautiful building from the outside as well. If people want to look it up, Hotel Hilton, Leningradskaja. Really old. They actually have a video playing in the lobby of all the different people who have stayed there and Soviet propaganda about how great it is, which is really weird.But whatever. One way of advertising your hotel, propaganda films.
I think it was number 50 out of like 750. I guess it wasn't packed full of foreigners.[8:30] It was. I didn't see a single Russian person staying though. There was some Brazilian journalist I met on the last day. He was really nice. What was weird there is he was also, because we're sort of set up in this mindset of the West right now, at least generally, you know, we're combating Russia and Russia's bad and the West is good and we're helping, whatever, like your thing, right?But when you speak to someone from Brazil or the world that's just away from this dichotomy, it just didn't give a crap. I was talking to him, he was like, yeah, I just don't care. I'm just, here to cover a story about this, that or the other Russian-Brazilian trade relations. But when, it came to the conflict, he was just like, who wins, wins. Not interested. So when you met anyone in that hotel that seemed to be that position. I didn't find any Westerners.
Quite refreshing. So the first thing was going to get food. I loved it. You went to McDonald's via an off license. So I'm off to McDonald's the next thing you are looking at vodka. So you seem to be more interested in getting your vodka fitting in Russia than getting your Big Mac.[9:42] Yeah, well the vodka is two euros. Sorry, two dollars, not two euros. A bottle. You know how you get to check out in this country and you'll see a bunch of confectionary?They just have crates of different kinds of vodka, all for two bucks.So if you're just popping home, why not get a bottle while you're driving? I don't know.[9:58] It works. I mean, I don't know if it works, but it's how they live.
But they do survive on vodka. The Balkans survive on brandy and I guess Russians on vodka.But tell us about food. Whenever you did get food, it was Subway.That's not really Russian cuisine, is it?[10:19] No, I get criticised in a few comments. Like in Afghanistan, people were like, why didn't you eat Afghan food?I do.It's just not very interesting, I didn't find, when looking through the footage.It was me staring at a bunch of borscht or pilemi, which is like pierogis. But I don't know.It's all nice. I don't really have anything insightful to say about it other than it's nice.So it just seems like a bit of a waste of time because you don't know what it is.You don't have the flavour in your mouth. Right?But if I could tell you about their version of Subway or McDonald's, you know what that tastes like. You've got a reference point. So I just thought it was a bit more interesting.But some people say in the chat, Freddos are a safe bet. They always are.
Still looking for that KitKat. Did you bring any?
No, I'm not. Did you bring those? It was KitKats. I think it was Cadbury buttons.The Caramel ones and the Plain ones and some other stuff I gave away.I only filmed the buttons.I'm actually thinking of reaching out. I mentioned that I want to get sponsored by Cadbury.Why not? It'll be funny as hell for them. They've got nothing going on.You want to go to the middle of nowhere and sell Cadbury to random village people?Sure.
 
On this trip, I actually saw you eating more than I've ever seen you eat in my whole life.I think every next clip was you eating somewhere.[11:40] Hey, boys go eat.
 
Another thing that struck me was the architecture, the buildings.They look quite impressive.When you think of England and lots of things being knocked down and built up, you kind to think Russia as well, it'll be communist, it'll be massive concrete blocks, which you kind of get over all different parts of Eastern Europe. But it seemed to have a beautiful, architecture, beautiful buildings. I think you commented on that.[12:12] Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of aspects. So once you get into the more rural parts of Russia.[12:18] So Moscow and St. Petersburg are the classic amazing cities, westerners go there for a couple of days and that's their experience, which is fine. And they're the most astounding places.And the Stalinist architecture for all the bastard things that Stalin did, his Stalinist architecture is really good. The Metro is unbelievable in the sense of how beautiful it is. People big it up a lot and I always thought maybe it's overrated. I've been there before this trip, but still, every time I go back, I'm like, that's gold. I hate going to London and seeing the comparison. The Elizabeth Line opened earlier in London and people raving about it. It looks like shit. Sorry to swear, but it is awful. Just modernist nonsense that'll look terrible in 10 years. Everything in the Moscow Metro looks like that five star hotel, but underground.It's amazing how good that stuff is. But once you do get out into... So I went to Rostov in the south, which is a fairly big city, or some of the places around there, Novoshanskoye, or.[13:20] Kimishkish, or whatever the hell it was called, the one in the middle. And then, and then Luhanskoye, yeah, you get the commie blocks, commie blocks, or still a thing. But you, You do get the occasional building that they've just redone and it looks like something from the Romanov era.So they seem to be having the same sort of transition that maybe you've seen in Hungary, or I saw in Serbia where they've got the old buildings, they were run down and now they're building them back up.So the entire Slavic world seems to be experiencing that, as well as the Hungarians, which is nice.[13:53] And we don't have it.
 
Yeah, same in Bulgaria. You get them all being put back together and rebuilt and remembering their history after trying to forget about the communist past or life before then. They're trying to find it again. And of course, flags. One other thing I noticed, lots of Russian flags and of course, communist paraphernalia. But the two flags that were missing, which I think are our national flags, our LGBT flag and Ukraine flag, it was quite nice. Those didn't exist there.
 
Yeah, I mean, there's certainly one of the Ukrainian flags. What is funny about all that is that you see, I mean, I don't not understand the reasons as to why, but in Ukraine, you've seen endless videos of them smashing up statues or anything that was Russian or represents Soviet Union or anything like that. Some of them are understandable where it's like, you know, Lenin, screw that guy, Stalin, screw that guy, whatever, right?But then they started smashing up like Russian authors. Some of them were even like half Ukrainian.[14:59] It all just, I think it seems like people in Ukraine are a bit caught up in that. I don't know.But in Moscow and Rostov, from what I saw, there's loads of Ukrainian writer statues or, you know, the Hotel Ukraina, things like this. They've not got rid of anything Ukrainian, because of course they don't really seem to think they're going to destroy Ukraine as a thing or, the Ukrainian language. But you could argue being invaded and therefore have this massive of Ukraine phobia or something.So there's that argument for sure.As for the LGBT flags.[15:34] Yeah, yeah, none. Didn't see any BLM flags either. Now I think about it.
But that's part of what I certainly like about Russia. And generally when you look at a lot of the Eastern European countries, that they have pride in their identity, they have confidence in their identity.And in the West, we've lost that. all of kind of big bear Russia and for it can seem like an aggressor maybe to some of the smaller countries. Actually, at least it has pride in its identity.
 
Absolutely. I mean, that is one of the things people get confused about. There's some aspect of the right, specifically the right I'm going to talk about here, who get a bit obsessed with Russia. Many of them have never been and never going to be going there. So it's a bit strange from those folks because they kind of get caught caught up in the propaganda, I find.[16:30] But for those who have been, everyone can appreciate it. And it's not just Russia.You find this in Poland. You find this in probably Bulgaria and et cetera.An acceptance of patriotism, an acceptance of, like, this is where I'm born.It's my land. That's why it's good.Not because I'm better than everyone else, but because it's mine, which we don't in the West.We actively suppress that.It's embarrassing that we do so.And when it comes to the homosexual stuff as well, my understanding is that in Russia, it's not a crime to be gay. If you want to be gay, that's fine.If you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, I don't know how accepting Russian[17:05] Culture of that being public. But I know that the most recent thing I saw in terms of legality, just if anyone's game is planning on visit, I don't think you'll have a problem as long as there's no public displays of affection, I imagine. Like, I know that's a most traditionalist place, to put it politely. But when it comes to the legal side, the only thing they have is that they banned, firstly, it was LGBT propaganda aimed at children. That was banned.
Come on, come on.
Very Hungarian.[17:38] You know, Ron De Santis would probably approve of that original law, which was just, look, you can't have this stuff aimed at kids. If it's a kids program, if it's aimed 18 or below, you can't do that. If you're aiming a program 18 or above the wave, you want to give a crap.I think whilst I was there, they expanded the law now to include 18 and above, which of course is far more controversial and far less about, let's say, freedom in that regard.But that is what it says. One of the things about this sort of traveling, I don't want to pass too much of a judgment on the places I'm going because I'm just trying to tell you what's there. I ain't living there. So I'm not going to sit around and tell you how they should change their laws because It's foreign land, we have no influence, what would be the point?I barely have any influence in my own country.
But I guess that's similar to that stance in Russia. It's actually similar to Serbia and certainly similar to Afghanistan.So I think that's what ties those three countries together.
 
[18:45] Maybe, I just know it's a bit more...Because they don't really have any pride in being Afghan in that same way that the Serbs, the Russians do, in being Serbian and Russian.
Yeah, but I think that's something, I'm thinking of the LGBT stuff.
Oh yeah, well they're all certainly on that train. I think the Afghans win that competition though, because Allah Akbar.
Yeah Allah doesn't do the LGBT stuff very well.
No.
 
One of the few things they'll command him or Muhammad for, but we'll not get into that conversation.
 
I think they're accepting of T's. I think T is still okay.
T? Do you think so?
So in Iran, for example, tea is okay, because if you're found being homosexual in Iran, there is a Quranic solution, which is that clearly this man is not a homosexual man, because that would be a crime against nature according to the Quran.So in fact, he is transgender. He was a woman the whole time, therefore it's not gay.So you either accept that bargain and go through the surgery or get killed.[19:48] So that's the tragedy of being homosexual in Iran. But it does mean that the transgender acceptance is a thing.So I don't know if that's your world, Silver lining.I don't know what to talk about. I'm advertising to the transgender adventure brigade out there.
Anyway, moving on. The Metro, how much of the Metro did you use?Because as you said, the pictures I've seen, how impressive it is.And you had that little clip of it.But did you go on it a lot? Obviously you didn't, you got told off for filming all this.[20:25] Yeah, I don't know if that's it's a really weird place for filming in that sense.So I've never seen this in any Slavic country except Russia.Russia seems to still have it was explained to me. So, for example, if you get on a train in Russia, let's avoid the metro first.You have to present your passport. You have to go through airport style security and then you get on the train.You can't just tap and walk in.No, very serious about that.[20:51] I thought this is because of counterterrorism. I was told the reason for this, and also the fact that people checking your papers all have these communist style hats with communist logos on still, is because under the Soviet Union, of course.
You mean like this?
Yeah, exactly like that.
 
I could have given that to you to keep warm because you kept getting cold.
Well, I would have looked like a police officer if I got arrested.But no, they've got these railway workers.There was no freedom of movement in Soviet Union. You have to have papers to be able to move to the next town or wherever, I was told, at least at one point.So that system is still there for the trains. So when you go on the metro, same thing.You walk into the metro and there's meta detectors.And if you're holding a bag nine times out of 10, someone will shout at you in Russian.You freak out. But then they just take your bag, shove it in a metal detector, nothing, you know, it, gets scanned, there's no bombs. They just give it back to you, bugger off.And then there's some lady at the escalators who's just like on her phone on every escalator, I don't know why she's there. Just pointless.But there's like security everywhere. So you don't know what you can and can't film.But then I tried to film too close to the tracks and then three guys came over and all, started shouting at me. I was just like, sorry, not Russian.Leave me alone.
 
How visible was your filming?[22:16] I always found it's better to be, if you're ever going to travel to somewhere strange and film, do it publicly.If you're seen trying to secretly film, that's way worse because you can explain, oh, sorry, I'm a stupid foreigner from the foreigner land.And in any culture, they'll be like, yeah, whatever, just bugger off and it'll be over.So always just hold up the camera, look like an American tourist pretty much.And that's usually what I do.The only exemptions to that is probably when I was in Taliban land and we try and maybe, not attract attention.
 
But the black markers.
Yeah, I mean, you don't really want to attract that attention.So the only exception.
What was it, did people look at you cynically or with suspicion?Because obviously someone from the West must be coming to put something negative out about Russia. Was that part of it? Because you said you had to wait four hours to get in.Is that a kind of thinking behind a lot of the maybe suspicion of the West?[23:25] To be honest, maybe this is just me being lucky. On this entire trip, I didn't find any suspicious people being suspicious of me except security, and that's their job, so fair enough, or in Luhansk.So the civilians there were a bit distrusting because we spoke to people and tried to ask, do you mind if we interview you, ask you these questions, we're showing the questions.I had a guy look over them just to make sure it wouldn't spook the hell out of anyone.He said, yeah, no, those are fine. But no one, no one would talk to us because they're just that scared.I think for a couple of reasons, which is that if the Ukrainians come back and they're on camera saying something nice about Russia and maybe something will happen, maybe they're worried that they'll say something wrong and get in trouble or something.I don't know. That's the only place I felt any problems. I mean, I ran into a guy in a flea market in Rostov and jabbering away in half Russian, half English with this dude and the other people around us, all friendly.Go to an Irish pub, start talking about the situation, all friendly, all smiles.I never had to explain and sit there and be like, oh yes, I am here to film about Great Russia or something to get someone's trust because they're incredibly isolated.Any foreigner who comes there and is like, yeah, I want to show what life's like, they're[24:48] immediately just like thank you for coming. You know, show people.So.
 
War Museums, you did some filming, some beautiful tanks in different places, but yeah, tell, us about that. And is that a, do you have a specific tank fetish?
Oh, who doesn't like tanks? Come on. So, yeah, there's a few places I went. There's the Victory Museum in Moscow, which if anyone goes to Moscow, it's the easiest place to go on holiday.Go for a weekend or two with a loved one. It's a very romantic place to be as well, especially even winter. Definitely take your girl to the Victory Museum, because even though it's military nonsense, you know, women don't generally like staring at, there's enough there to be fun. There's enough light shows and stuff I didn't really have time to show in the video that they have. There's some old remakes of the Reichstag you can go and see.[25:48] Uh any kind of gun any kind of tank there's patriot park i went to that's a big thing in Russia, various uh there's sort of like theme parks throughout the country and it's just piles of every weapon you could think of every tank every plane, railway tanks or railway guns, and I don't know why they're called that it's like a railway car right but covered in artillery and, and anti-tank guns and machine guns.The idea is you drive the train into the town and shoot it up.
I don't remember that on Thomas the Tank Engine.
 
No, but it should have been.A Russian Thomas the Tank Engine is a whole other thing.But that's, you can also shoot any gun you want there. I chose the Mosin.I was kind of annoyed because we just didn't have the time on the way back out.I just, I had to leave because of time.But I'd love to go back to Patriot Park because it was 500 rubles for like 100 rounds or something on an LMG.I had loads of money left though because I just hadn't spent it.I wish I'd just gone back to Patriot Park and be like, chh, dada, dada, dada, dada, dada, for 30 minutes straight, because that's just fun.So yeah, if you like shooting, that's easy too.
 
Well, did you, I can't remember, you went with someone there, or did you just turn up as a foreigner saying I'd like to shoot things?[27:03] So the trip was a bit weird. I knew a couple of people in Russia from a previous trip.So I met them in Moscow. I met friends of friends of friends.Your network very quickly expands once you just ask, hey, do you know anyone who's around tomorrow?I went to like an Indian market with a lady, for example. That was really funny actually, because we're walking around and I hear the Indian music and I see the brands and the spices.I was instantly transported back to the UK.[27:29] You get what I mean? Which just was so weird because she didn't get it either.She was like, what do you mean it's like the UK? I'm like, you don't know. You just don't know.[27:41] So that was fun. So you start meeting friends like that and then when I got a train I was going to go meet someone else. So I had someone with me at any given time. Some people seem to think, that someone was chaperoning me like it's the Soviet Union. I can't transmit enough how much things have changed since the Soviet Union. It's not like that at all. Even when I went to Luhansk, the Russian soldier guy I had with me, he was only with me like half the time. And even when he was with me, he didn't even know what he was getting in for, frankly. I decided where we wanted to go. I decided what we're going to see, who we're going to talk to, what we're doing today.
[28:20] He was a quirky character.
 
Yeah, I mean, he was just a friend of a friend of a friend was Rostov. Great guy, made friends with him. I said, look, the guy was going to go meet has been blown up by a mortar.I'm kind of buggered. Do you know what he could take me to the new regions? He says, you know, I have a friend introduced me to an Afghani weird character, big moustache, larger than life, goes to Ukraine a lot, has been fighting since 2014, killing people. He did mention to me at one point apparently he fought in Syria which okay because he talks a lot about Wagner.I never really got to the question about whether or not he worked for Wagner but whatever.[29:04] Fit as a fiddle, clearly does a lot of stuff. He's out there right now, he's upgraded his telegram, he's out fighting today I think. But he seemed to just be some guy because he agreed to take me. And then when we got to the border, it was like, don't speak about this, don't speak about that. And I'm like, brother, you don't know what you're getting in for. Because, of course we get taken to additional security and he's like, oh, it's been 10 minutes. I'm, like, no, it's not going to be 10 minutes. We're getting stuck for four hours talking to Russian border guard, then military intelligence, and then even more. We were just like, who the hell are you?And then when we're going around Luhansk, everything's fine.He knows everyone there. He's been fighting and he used to live in Luhansk for years.That's the thing about all the nationalists, the people who are fighting there, they've, all got massive connections to Ukraine, like family connections.This is a real family thing for them. It's not some group of guys who have no connection to the land.All their family live there or their grandparents live there or something.So that's fine. On the way back out, of course same border, checkpoint, more security.I just remember we got off the bus in Rostov, he was just so pissed at me.So he was just like, oh for god's sake.Like it was just some guy, he didn't know what he was getting in for.I was just like, yeah sorry man, it's gonna be a lot of stops.My passport's cancer in this place.[30:28] Yeah, it's free to travel around. If you meet friends of friends, you'll be able to meet someone in any given town. And if they're a friend of a friend, they'll be nice to you.
So what was the part that's kind of partially Russian, partially Ukrainian? Is that Luhansk or the other one, Rostov?
Yeah, so to explain for people who might not know the situation Ukraine became a country after the Soviet Union collapsed. It used to basically just be a Soviet Republic of USSR, I don't think a Ukrainian nation really existed before in peacetime. You could argue maybe like the kingdoms of the root of, Kevin Rusev's me, but yeah, I did I mean in modern times probably, then stuff happens, politics Russia ended up annexing Crimea and then there was an uprising in these two places called Donetsk and Luhansk, large Russian populations, Stalin's fault as most things are as to why there's so many Russians.[31:34] If I think that the next used to be called Stalino, because of course These people rose up. They've been fighting an insurgency for years with help from Moscow, And then when the Russian army moved in properly, not just, you know, unofficially, they have now annexed Luhansk province, Donetsk province, Zaporizhian and Kherson.So we went to the Luhansk province, which that place has been a battlefield for, what has it been, eight years, something like that.They've now got all of that province under control. We didn't feel any active threat. There was no, like, range for artillery to kill us.To kill us, there was range for missiles to kill us or airstrikes.You can see bullet holes in all the buildings, much for the buildings been blown up.[32:22] But as for what it is, it's according to the Ukrainians, their lands, all of it.According to the Russians, they've annexed it, it belongs to them now.And according to the people who live there, from what I saw, I didn't see anyone Ukrainian.I didn't see anything that made me think Ukraine, everything that made me think of Russia.The flags, the people, the food, the apartments.The place used to be a large Russian area, even when it was part of Ukraine.And since the uprising eight years ago, and then ever since.Anyone who is pro-Ukraine has probably left.I've read multiple stories online of people used to live in these places, more than the stories I've read, but same thing will be happening in Luhansk.If you were pro-Ukrainian or a young person who's Ukrainian or any of that sort, you've probably gone.Why would you have stayed?In which case the result, I imagine if they did do a census, even if it's done by the UN, run by Canadians or Bangladeshis, there's no interest.The demographics of that place have probably hugely changed.So that's an argument for claiming the land, obviously. I did hear a story from a Russian lady who works for a Western organization in Moscow.So she's got access to both sides. One of the things the Ukrainian government's doing, is near the front line, if there's Ukrainians living there, they desperately want the Ukrainians to continue living there.[33:51] Because if the Ukrainians leave, that's yet more territory that has a huge deficit of Ukrainians versus Russians.So whenever some kind of peace deal ends up coming, you've got less of an argument and the Russians are playing the same game.Don't get me wrong, but it's just funny to me how when it comes down to what everyone understands, the claim of a land is just having your people there.And from what I saw in Luhansk, I didn't see anything Ukrainian.[34:20] I know they're going to be Ukrainians that are like that, but that's how it is, man.
I hadn't worked out actually before watching your video because in the middle you kind of look at the geopolitics of the area, but I actually didn't realize that Ukraine was, only a province of Russia because other countries like Bulgaria have got a thousand year history, and other countries had to fight and there was, I should think Slovenia had like a three-week, battle with the USSR to actually gain their freedom as a country. But Ukraine existed as a part, as a province, as opposed to a separate country. So it is quite different, Ukraine, when you look at the other kind of satellite states, the USSR.[35:02] Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting, actually, because so Ukraine was basically a province of the Russian Empire, nothing special. And then when that collapse and you get Soviet Union, most of it was in the Soviet Union. Sure, it was made into a Soviet republic.This is mostly just PR. Anyone looking at the history can tell that, but it's an integral part of the Soviet Union.It's not flourishing in that way or independent in that way that Bulgaria or any of the satellites are.Since independence in the 90s, that's when you really start to get this, it's seemingly and someone could correct me if I'm wrong, this actual solidifying of what are we?And seeing because I mean that's where you get the changes of okay no we should be focusing on the Ukrainian language not this bilingual state this hyper focus and celebration specifically of Ukrainian culture to make it aware in people's minds. One of the great conversations I had was with a guy in a bar in Rostov his half of his family Ukrainian living around that region.[36:06] Again everyone you goddamn meet in this area there's cross-border families no one's some kind of rabid nationalist just for their side. It's not like I'm Bosnian, I'm Croatian or something. There's no crossover. No, there's massive crossover in ethnic times.But he mentioned that he used to go on holiday to Ukraine all the time. And he had gone to the 2000s, everything was cool, meet anywhere you want, no problem. And then around about 2014 and there throughout he started just getting random hostility from people he's on holiday with as if you know He'd like murdered 14 Ukrainian babies or something like we talking to them in Russian. They're talking[36:48] Russian to him because they think he's from Ukrainian Russian province and then if I don't hear some the Russian Federation They just stopped talking to him and they start talking Ukrainian and refused to use the Russian language, So what the hell was that about and then ever since this guy was mentioninghe's been on so many more holidays, even before the special operation.And it just got worse and worse and worse.I still haven't been to Ukraine. I'd love to go if it's safe.I don't know how badly some people might take the video I made there, but I'm happy to show the Ukrainian side as well.I'm not got problem with that.But my best guess from what I can see and what I heard is that the Ukrainian identity and Ukrainian culture really is something new in historical terms in the way it is now.And that proper split of when nothing to do with Russia is very new.
What was it like when you were getting the bus down to Luhansk?You're kind of thinking, well, I'm going to somewhere which is on the edge of a war zone that's disputed territory. Were you slightly apprehensive going down there?[37:54] So when we got on the bus from Rostov, you then get to the old border, and that's what the border checkpoint is, about hour three and a half into that checkpointI did honestly sit there and think, what am I doing with my life?Why don't I just stay home? Why don't I just play video games? Who cares?Oh God. Cause you don't know. Maybe the phone call gets made and the guy at the top just goes, arrest him.Fuck him. Like, who is this?Thankfully it got to someone and they just said, yes. Um, don't know who,[38:21] Thanks bro. And then when you get on the bus to the war zone and I honestly, I felt great.Um, don't know if there's something wrong with me, but[38:32] there's something about, I was the same with Afghanistan. I don't know how to put this into words, probably.Maybe you've had this in Eastern Europe when it was less lawful as well.There's something about those kind of places where everything's a bit serious in the regard of only serious things matter, life or death matters.Whether or not you've got a vaccine passport, it's like the stupidest question you could ever ask, that kind of environment.I love it. Because it doesn't feel like you're being controlled anymore, even though everything around you is men with guns, army soldiers, people who could probably kill you if they had no reason to but just felt like it.[39:14] It still feels freer in that way. Am I making any kind of sense?
Well, I think the seriousness comes from that life can be harder in those places.And I think in the West we have entertained ourselves to death where there actually life is, you're right, more serious.Here life is what you want to watch on YouTube that evening or that day.It's, or how many likes you have for something that's life is reduced down to that trivialness where there it is life and death. It is more serious.
It's way more real.And you actually care about like what you're going to eat tonight, for example, such a, mundane thing. But like I genuinely was thinking about, Oh God, what we're going to have dinner.And so the kind of stress you get from that is almost rewarding in a way.I was trying to have this conversation today about like the acceptance of corruption and why it makes life better.I don't mean bribery, but I was thinking about some more. So when I got on the plane from Afghanistan on the way back.[40:13] I get to this front of the queue, blah, blah, blah, blah, sorry, man, I don't speak Pashtun English. Oh, no problem, sir.And then they take my bag, they wrap it up, And then the guy says, vaccine passport, sir.[40:26] I ain't got a vaccine. He didn't need a vaccine to get into Afghanistan. So I look at him and just go, I ain't got one.He looks at me like utter confusion, like he's never had this before. Gets his supervisor up, the supervisor just looks at him just annoyed and just goes.[40:42] Walks off and the guy just goes, oh bugger off. Just lets me through.[40:47] When like someone who's getting paid minimum wage turns down the stupid pointless laws that we all know are stupid and pointless.It's just a much better life. If he was checking the bag and said, did you put a bomb there?And I said, well, yeah, but you know, I want to blow up the plane.He obviously would have arrested me on the spot. He doesn't not care about serious things.But when it comes to stupid stuff like your vaccine pass, no one gives a crap.And they shouldn't give a crap in that country. But you do that in the West.It's still illegal for me to go to the United States because of the vaccine stuff.If I get that some TSA agent is going to be like, we haven't got it, you've got to go back.[41:24] Bro, what the hell do you care? You're getting paid minimum wage to work in the TSA.You give a crap about the vaccine?No, like you shouldn't for Christ's sake. And it's, we had that in the UK as well.It's not even that rare to us. Remember when Boris was caught with his pants down, he was having parties and the day after, none of those rules applied anymore.Security guys didn't bother trying to stop people for not wearing masks. Nobody gave a crap.We had that culture for a day there. That's what I mean. The fact that those petty laws mean nothing.And when I was in Luhansk and you're back in a zone it's, you know, state of war.[41:59] None of that petty crap means anything. I don't know, it's something spiritually that just makes you happier in a really messed up way because you're in a really messed up place. It's liberating.[42:14] When I last time was flying from Bulgaria and you had to wear masks, it must have been last summer, and everyone had to wear a mask. You wear a mask, they all get on the plane and as soon as they're sitting down, they all just drop it down to their chin. Literally, all the Bulgarians.[42:34] Here, people would have it up over their nose. Here, of course, you've got the, Air Stewardesses checking people. I know I've got friends, Air Stewardesses, and they said they spent all their time checking masks. Where in Bulgaria, they realized it just was a load of crap. Therefore, they didn't, they kind of would pay lip service, but really they knew it was nonsense where in the UK they paid not only did they pay lip service, but they believed, everything they were told. And it's that ability to think for yourselves. And it's quite weird when you come from the West. And so that's what I noticed. I guess you noticed that as well, that they just don't fit in and don't accept things just because you're told them.
Yeah, I mean, like a chap in the chat is mentioning anarchism. It's not anarchism.Like in it was the same thing with Afghanistan and Luhansk there is utter security in your position, no one's gonna kill you for no reason, you know if you blaspheme or something in Afghanistan you're buggered but don't do that if uh there's an ISIS terrorist in Afghanistan, there's Taliban every hundred meters with guns that dude's dead before he gets to you in Luhansk there are tanks and army soldiers everywhere, someone tries to start something they're getting arrested or shot immediately you couldn't feel safer in terms of like no one's gonna stab me it's not, It's not like you're in Birmingham.There's none of that, personal threat.[43:51] But the actual rules of life matter again, the things the state are doing, is actually something you can respect, security.That's the number one concern. That's what's actually going on.But none of this, oh, nonsense.Mentality exists. Andrew Tate actually described this in a really interesting way.And maybe you'll get it as well. He was in Romania.He walks into the gas station. And the Romanian guy goes, you need a mask and he just, I don't know, sorry, I thought the story wrong. He's in the UK, goes to a gas station, the guy says, you need a mask. He's like, bro, I filled up the car, here's the money. He says, no, you need to wear a mask before I can make you pay. He's like.[44:31] If you take the money or I'm leaving with the gas for free, I don't.[44:35] I'm not putting on a mask. What are you talking about? The dude starts losing it and he's like, no, you have to wear a mask or I can't take your money. Bro, you're getting paid minimum wage to, to work in a gas station?What the hell do you care? Like if Shell have this policy of you worst man, you think the CEO of Shell gives a crap if the new customer walking in is wearing a mask when he pays.No, nobody cares. This rule is meaningless. Everyone in the room knows it.And yeah, I don't know if it's our Protestant work ethic or something, but the Anglosphere worker who's getting paid minimum wage just goes, the rules are the rules, like a German.And he's just like, yeah, must implement the rules. No one's going to make him implement those rules.He does it to himself.[45:15] And then Tate mentions, you do that in Romania. Same situation.You walk in, the Iranian guy will say, sir, you must wear a mask.And you say, I'm not doing it.And the Romanian worker will go, eh. Not because he wouldn't do that if you were like, I'm not going to pay.[45:31] You've got to pay. That's important. But on stupid nonsensical rules, I don't waste my time with this.And we don't have that in the West.It annoys the crap out of me.
 
I remember some Bulgarians telling me you have to wear a mask because they were wearing one on their chin.It's just like, it's so weird. Do you realize it's just like a piss take?It's like, we don't give a shit. You kind of pretend. It's like, yeah, so weird.
But it's that part of the outside. Once you get outside the Western world, that's really the metric.It's not like corruption and bribery or the law doesn't apply.It's the, I'm not listening to nonsense mindset.And you have that in spades in Russia of the people? So I can appreciate that of the people.Sure, there's other problems.Sure, no, I don't agree with those things. But when I talk about this thing, and you'll recognize it as well in Bulgaria, Tate recognized in Romania, really the ex-Soviet nations really know how to go.I don't care what the dear leader's saying. For a good reason.
One thing I want to ask you that actually didn't really talk about, I don't think, but I live in London and sometimes it's difficult to find English people living in London.I assume over there in Russia it's still fairly Russian. I guess it hasn't been hit by the multicultural nonsense.[46:59] So this is a big criticism of Putin from the Russian nationalists I found on both the trips I've done there.And it's true, it's a valid criticism, which is that if you go to Moscow, for example, yep, there's a lot of Russians, but they have some of the same problems we have.The reason for this is because not only is the Russian Federation a huge country, huge amount of ethnic diversity just because it's so big, and there are loads of ethnic republics inside that are made up of ethnic minorities that travel all over the place.They also have the Kazakhstan border, which is ridiculously huge. They don't really man it.They don't really have the ability to man it. So that's not happening. In which case, they have loads of illegals, not to mention the legal immigration from those countries, because the quality of life working in Moscow as a taxi driver is way better, blah, blah, blah.One of the funny stories I got told, so there's a huge amount of those people in Moscow, which is visible, especially in the taxi drivers. One of the stories I got told is that the mayor of Moscow was talking about the fact that they're putting up Uzbek language signs below the Russian signs in this district in Moscow because the Uzbeks are taking too long in the metro. They'll get out, they'll stare at the signs, they don't really know where, they're going. So he's putting up the Uzbek language. And this lady's telling me the story and I'm looking at her like, lady, I've been here three days, I can read Cyrillic. You're[48:18] telling me these people live in Moscow and they can't read a Russian metro sign about, which street they live on. It was just kind of strange that kind of cuck-oldery in that sense of having no standards for your ethnic minorities. You treat them like children. You should just give up all of your culture and language and everything else because, oh, well, they can't read the signs.Learn to read then. I mean, it's not a big ask, learning to read. So they do have those problems as well. It's just nowhere near what we have in the UK. And for them, it's really only in these, big hubs like Moscow where all the money is. So, you know, I don't, this is why I mean by like some sections of the right who have never been to Russia, don't know anything about it, will fetishize, Putin and be like, yeah, he's tough on immigration and whatnot. Yeah, it compared to us, sure. But it doesn't mean there's no problems.And it's[49:14] again, same solution, which is just say no. We're not putting up Uzbek language signs.Learn to read, you goddamn losers.That's the correct response. What do you mean you can't read?Education's free.
 
Exactly. Let's finish off on food. Looking for food you got McDuck.I'm kind of thinking, did you order a big duck and that just doesn't sound right.Tell us about it because these places, obviously, Western companies have pulled out and then you get McDuck.What was that like?
 
It probably takes a little bit slower.In the Russian Federation, the old Russia, the Western companies pulled out.You've got mainly the ones you'll find in day-to-day life. Ikea isn't there.Very few Russians went to Ikea. It's very much a rich person thing.So it means nothing. You've got McDonald's, which has been changed to its tasty full stop.It's now run by some Russian guy, all the profits stay in Russia.Supply chains are all the same. All the food comes from Russia. Nothing's changed.So great. That's actually a net win for them. They're no longer sending money to the McDonald's USA company.Starbucks, same deal.There were a couple of others you'll find in day to day life.[50:35] Again, all the products don't come from the West. So, I mean, remember the West is basically a service economy for a place like Russia, and in which case they can do the services. It's not hard.In fact, they could pay Russians to do it, save money.[50:49] And then in Luhansk, because that used to be Ukraine and has been for eight years in a state, of conflicts, they care even less about copyright laws.So they opened McDuck, which I still have the wrappers for.[51:02] And that's the McDonald's there. Yeah, it literally has the Disney font, which is illegal.And they have the Disney characters that they put out, which I guess is illegal.What was weird there is that the interior design of McDonald's, remember when it used to be black and white squares or whatever, and then they changed it so it was those wavy patterns, and they had these wooden things behind the benches that would have gaps missing.
Yeah, like slats.
 
Yeah, you know the kind of design I'm thinking of?That's what they have in Ukraine, Luhansk, the Russian territory, because it's just not been touched in like eight years, it's still clean.All the fryers make the same beeping noises.[51:40] You could buy a black bread Big Mac, which I didn't do because I don't like a black bread.But in Russia, they've got the modern ones because it's only a year ago that changed.When I asked people about all of that, no one could have given a crap.This is something I really, I'm kind of annoyed about that the delusion so many people have in the West about Russia, they think it's just like the West, and it's just as effective as if we lost McDonald's tomorrow, people would be freaking out.[52:12] McDonald's was even only in quite good places in Russia. The people who went there, Russian people don't like McDonald's all that much.They've got their own fast foods, which are frankly better.Smoked salmon is so easy to get there for some reason, so cheap compared to your crappy Big Mac.And even then[52:31] If you're a Russian and some company does that, not only do you not care. If they ever came back, you're not going to go back and shop with them because they betrayed your country.So it's a lose-lose on that front. Places like Burger King hasn't left. They're making bank.McDonald's left, but they're open. So our biggest competitor decided to leave the country. What a retard. Make loads of money. And for the companies doing that, the argument is made that, oh, maybe they did it for moral reasons.[53:01] You think any of these companies do anything for moral? Are you high? No.They're not doing it for Ukrainian nationalism reasons either.None of these companies are Ukrainian. None of them have big markets in Ukraine.They've done this because some letter was sent from the White House.All their CEOs are actually that dumb and have just been taken on with the current thing and jumped in on it.I don't think any of these CEOs actually care about the morality question in any of this. And I cannot stress enough things in Russia are not collapsing as a result of the sanctions. I was re-watching the YouTube channel called LaserPig.I quite like the guy. I've got nothing against him. I love his content. Tank stuff. Love that.Anyway, so he did some videos about when the war started and I was going back and just checking out, what people were saying when it first kicked off. And one of the predictions he makes, for example, is like, oh, the conditions in Russia are perfect for being about the same as the Russian Revolution in 1918.You know, it was sort of a weird thing to say then after being there, food's cheaper than ever. Gas is cheaper than ever.I don't know if you saw it's 19 pence for unlimited gas in the Luhansk.
I saw you enjoying just watching gas burn.
 
Oh, it was great.[54:21] Life could not be more normal. I met people who were anti-Putin as well.I met people who were anti-special operation, anti-war, all of that.And I asked them, what's changed then for you? Because I mean, you're not gonna tell me everything's fine because you're some Russian nationalist who just is sitting there writing Zeds on everything you find.And they just, all of them without thought were just like, well, not really anything.The only lady I could find who told me anything changed was she worked in selling high-tech equipment.So like high tech cameras or high tech computer systems, right?And she said, so I asked her, well, OK, that must have been blocked off now, because those companies aren't doing it in Russia.And she says, no.I said, what do you mean? Is it where they fly to Kazakhstan and then the plane flies to Moscow?So the worst thing that's happened to them on a human level is like really high tech stuff is up 20% in cost.And only rich people were buying that anyway, so they don't give a crap.And like when I went to the GUM, the GYM, the richest place, the Harrods of Russia and all the Western stores have a little sign that's saying down due to technical issues. They're all still paying rent. They all still have equipment. They also have the lights on in those stores. They are just waiting for the right time to reopen those stores. They do not want to give up those spots. They make mad money on those things in normal circumstances. And those companies, again, if you're rich and you want to buy Louis Vuitton and you're Putin's mistress, easily done. Kazakhstan exists. We'll fly it in darling.[55:50] It really kind of hurts me that it seems to have done so little, not because I necessarily want Russians to suffer or something, but just because I am being endlessly propagandized in the West, but trust me, something's being, nothing is being done.The average life of an average Russian has not been affected at all.The rich Russians, not affected at all.If someone wants to make an argument about like their banking industry has taken a hit, and maybe there's some long-term effects there, you can argue.Sure, I don't know anything about that, so I'm not going to speak on it.But if someone wants to think that the average life is about to make the Russian population rise up and overthrow, and you're not living in reality, come back down. Okay.For them, life is more normal than it's ever been. Something weird is happening in our country to do with war.Okay. I'm Russian. That happens every 20 years. It's not new.[56:39] So here, while our fuel bills have quadrupled, actually we're still winning.Even though family finances are decimated. It's a weird winning.Very weird.
I actually played a game with everyone I met, even the border guards.So I messaged a mate of mine, I was like, so what's the average gas bill?Because I only have electricity in my apartment here.And he's a landlord, so he's got a few apartments and friends.So he told me, okay, so there's this lady who pays this much.That's about average right now.And so I converted it into roubles and show everyone. Same reaction every single time.[57:12] Serious not that serious. Yes. Yes true. Oh.[57:20] Then they'd ask me how much does the average English person make convert it back into roubles, It's not enough for them to think that's normal because they were like you this much of your salary goes on just gas.[57:33] Yeah, there are so many people in this part of the civilization, who I found are still deluded into thinking that they're living some cold, miserable hell, and we're the ones who are doing just a little bit rough around the winter.No, man, we're really suffering and they're not noticing it.[57:54] That's the truth of the matter. You can be mad about that, you can wish it was the opposite, it's not.
Just final thought is that what you talked about, they don't survive on McDonald's, not a big thing if they lose these brands. I think a sign that the West has collapsed is people sitting at home being able to order a McDonald's to come to your home. It's just literally bonkers that actually our populations in the West are living on McDonald's. Just, a sad state of affairs. You can get it with a bike directly to your front door. What am I? And you said salmon maybe? No, no, no. Let's go for a Big Mac and fries. Okay.
I'm imagining you looking out the window, seeing Deliveroo and just be like, this is the end of the West. Because I eat a lot of McDonald's. I happen to have a McDonald's right next to my apartment.So pro tip, double cheeseburger, small fries, three quid.[58:52] Best cost for money you can get. And I quite like the concept.It's a very capitalistic mindset, maximize calories, lowest cost, all that stuff gets the rightest part of my capitalist brain.Excited.I know a friend who used to work at McDonald's and he loved the calculation of how quickly you could wrap stuff, would save this many pennies and all that nonsense.[59:15] But if you're really deluded enough to think without McDonald's, Russia is finished or Saudi Arabia is finished or China is finished or some other country you don't like.[59:24] Number one, you're high. Number two, what happens when Burger King stays?That's right, nothing. Nothing happens.And we really seem to have a lot less power than we think we do.The idea that Western sanctions will really cripple the enemy in North Korea, yeah.In Iran, apparently it had some large effect. In a place like Russia that has all the damn resources, it couldn't mean less.Like, we've got all this stuff, it's just the services we don't have.High-level things but if you've already set them up for them.Okay, copy paste. Copyright, what's that?
 
Yeah, and of course they still have access to the Chinese markets. So what Britain says, we're not buying or whatever, that's okay, we'll just go to China.
 
You guys don't make anything anymore. Like the world really has changed about who makes things, who's important in that dynamic, and we mentally haven't caught up to that. We aren't, leveraging what we have and instead thinking, oh, we can make them suffer with this, and it doesn't work.[1:00:26] Callum, thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts. I don't know whether an African shithole country is going to be next on your list.
 
I mean, if you have any recommendations.I think I recommended Zimbabwe. I was thinking about turning up in a Rhodesian light infantry uniform. I just go and see what's left of Rhodesia. But I called a mate who used to be there, he's like, yeah, they'll probably kill you. I was like, maybe not.
 
Well, the guy you met, the weird guy, the dancing guy, the moustache guy, some undercover terrorist guy.
Evgeny. No, no, no. He's like a soldier slash, you know, soldier of fortune. I don't know.
I was just thinking whether Lotus Eaters would have paid your ransom.I could see this going horribly wrong.
Originally, he didn't ask for any money either. He was just like, yeah, I'll do it for free.By the time I'd ruined his week, I was just like, yeah, here's 100 quid.
Thanks for joining us. And our viewers and listeners, obviously Britannica Politica, you can find the videos there in the description. And however you're watching, the links should be in there. Or if you're listening on podcasting apps, the links are also there. So, Callum, Thank you once again for joining us.[1:01:47] Thanks so much for having me. I'll come around next time I go to some hellhole.
No, no, you didn't bring any AK-47s back or t-shirts, no?[1:01:57] I got some Hello Kitty t-shirts actually. Maybe I should sell stuff.
Have you still got Hello Kitty?Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know how much of that I could say. So I've got all the Russian stuff, still I've got some merch. Got on my Twitter page. There's a full list there of the things, Afghan, Serbian and Russian stuff. If it has a quote teat selling sold out, it's sold out.If it don't, I probably got it. Message me on Twitter or SubscribeStar.If you want to support me, subscribe to SubscribeStar. But the Hello Kitty shirts.So guy I knew in Afghan, I said to him, like, bring them to the UK.I'll come pick them up. He did that.[1:02:33] Bad news. He's gone bye-bye now. So the shirts I have are the last shirts I'm ever getting.So limited supply.
 
Like all your friends keep dying in these places. It's weird.
Well, I mean, it's not Miami.
That is true. That is true. Give us your handle again on Twitter.I think it's @akkadsecretary. It's called Callum. There's a picture of me with Luhansk sign behind me and a couple of Russian soldiers off to kill people. Who knows?
And people can click on the subscribe star there and they can actually support your extensive travels.
 
Yeah. Again, if you go to the YouTube channel, you'll find these things fairly easily around there somewhere.
Okay. Perfect. Well, on that, I'll say goodbye to our viewers and we'll see you on Saturday with David Vance and his week's review of the news.So thank you very much for tuning in, for watching. Have a good rest of your Thursday.We'll see you back on Saturday. Thank you very much and good night to you all.

Rachael & Diny - Vaccine Control Group: Collecting Essential Data on the Unvaccinated

We are delighted to welcome two wonderful ladies to Hearts of Oak. We have followed the great work of the Vaccine Control Group from the beginning of the Covid chaos, so the founders Rachael and Diny join us to discuss the journey and growth of this assemblage that seeks to show and oppose the lies of the mRNA experimental gene therapy injection. The people originally allocated by the pharmaceutical companies to be part of a control group for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, have almost all been vaccinated now meaning that the official, long term control group for the Covid vaccine research no longer exists.In to this gap stepped Rachael and Diny who had a vision to collect the long-term health data of the vax-free from every country, to provide the missing control group to the SARS-CoV-2 vaccinated; thus enabling independent and transparent, comparative analysis of the mass vaccination policy.It has grown exponentially all across the world as it meets and addresses a need, not only does it record the data for the unvaccinated, it also acts as a declaration of your 'pureblood' status and participation in the control group. This is a call to action for every SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-free individual in the world to join together in the most important study of our time – this is your opportunity to do something incredibly important for the future of your children by standing up to be a valuable and active participant of the world’s largest and truly independent control group.Link to Robert Verkerk PhD study discussed during the episode...- Self-Selected COVID-19 “Unvaccinated” Cohort Reports Favorable Health Outcomes and Unjustified Discrimination in Global Survey: https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/43“The Vaccine Control Group is a worldwide, independent, long-term study that is seeking to provide a baseline of data from unvaccinated individuals for comparative analysis with the vaccinated population, to evaluate the success of the Covid-19 mass vaccination program and assist future research projects. This study is not, and will never be, associated with any pharmaceutical enterprise as its impartiality is of paramount importance.”Get involved today at the following links...- Website: www.vaxcontrolgroup.com- Pre-registration page for new Covid injected participants to join: https://members.vaxcontrolgroup.com/preregister- Community: https://www.vcgwiki.com/index.php/community- Telegram: https://t.me/joinchat/vYOoXyzT-VY1MDc0- Twitter: https://twitter.com/VaxControlGroup?s=20&t=wNQcGsiNz2SvbaQkEX4OLg- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/493614538559474- GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/CGCoopInterview recorded 6.2.23
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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Interview just coming up, looking at the vaccine control group and I had the delight of bumping into Rachael and also Diny at the event in Derby, the comedy podcast event.They were there with a table, a vaccine group table. And it's something I came across way at the beginning as I was trying to work out how you get past these mandates and also looking at what data was being collected on on vaxed. I came across this group, fascinating group. So I had a really great interview with both Rachael and Diny talking about what the group is, why it's needed, about the mandates being dropped and whether the group is still needed, how it can be used as a[1:09] control group for whatever is coming next. So it's not just a one-off, it can be used for other things, how you can support them with a £6 a quarter to get those cards, which you need to get. And, by that £6 a quarter you help fund what they are doing. Talk about how they're now all over the world, about the telegram groups, how people can share information, their Zoom calls you can be part of.So much to talk about and great to catch up with them on this essential venture they have started, from nothing. So I know you love hearing from Rachel and Diny.
 
So thank you for joining us, Hearts of Oak. And it is wonderful to have two people, an organization that I have wanted for months and that is Rachael and Diny from the Vaccine Control Group. Thank you both of you you for joining us today.[2:02] You're welcome. Thank you for having us. Great to have you and I bumped into you both in Derby and[2:09] great to see you're stalled and I've followed what you've done as of many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. We'll get into all of that but the details are there, the website is there and we'll put some of the Telegram links as well in the description, Vaxcontrolgroup.com. If I can maybe first ask how you both came to the point of launching, this initiative, this project, which is something that none of us thought we would ever need, but maybe separately how you came to be at the point of overseeing such a mammoth task?[2:48] (Diny) I'll start off. It was basically a meme that people who weren't vaccinated were saying, I'm in the control group because we obviously knew that there wasn't a control group for those people who'd been vaccinated because the control group had been vaccinated. And because I'd been part of starting a local freedom cooperative in Eastbourne and we're trying to get ways to do things in lockdown, try to find what we could do to try and fix things. And we realised with this meme that there actually wasn't a control group. And because my husband's a database developer and very experienced with data, we sort of talked and said, well, actually, we could do this as a group.We could actually set up our own control group, but there are only a small amount of us, about 70, and it wouldn't have really worked. We realised we needed it on a global scale. So we said, well, why don't we just create a database for the world and get everyone in a control group who's not vaccinated, as you do.So we just got about writing one, creating it, and in a spare room in our spare time.[3:56] Put some of our savings into it, and just sort of got started.And we were just writing the questions when we met Rachael.
(Rachael) Yep.So I'm Rachael. I was working as an A&E nurse for, well, when all of it kicked off really in March 2020.So yeah, it's a pretty crazy story in itself really.I come to the realization that what we were being told wasn't all the truth.And I ended up leaving my job and I didn't really know where to turn.If I was the only one that felt like I did. And I came across somehow the Stand in the Park groups.So that's when I found Diny.So she was in my local Stand in the Park group. And I heard about this control group idea and just really couldn't wait to be involved, really.So that's when I came and came and sat down and helped them with the questions to get going.So I went from there really.[4:52] Rach, because we've had NHS 100, we've had Alan from Together Declaration, we've had lots of groups, but some people were impacted more than others.And I guess, Rachael, you were one of those people who was really impacted because this was mandatory for you in your employment.
(R) Well, I'd already left by then actually, Peter, but it was a massive impact on me. I'd say my whole world flipped upside down. So in the beginning, I was completely terrified along with my colleagues about what we were going to see and what was to come. I went through the whole thing of not having PPE. I was fighting to wear a mask at work at one point. We were debating whether to move out and protect our kids, all that crazy stuff. And it wasn't until I actually left work for a few weeks and started reflecting on what was going on and my mum started asking me a few questions and it was her health as well that I started looking into natural ways of helping her that made me realise that everything I was taught wasn't the truth and made me[5:54] question everything really and that's when I decided then that I couldn't go back. So I actually handed my notice in early 2021 before the vaccine rollout came.[6:04] Wow. Wow. Can maybe let me ask you to explain there may be some of our viewers and listeners, I don't know where they've been if they don't know what the vaccine control group is, but they may have missed it. So for those of our viewers and listeners who have missed it, can you explain what exactly it is?[6:25] (D) Can I start? it's in two parts really. So at the heart of it, we are collecting the data of those people who've chosen not to take the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, to look at their long-term health outcomes. It's a multi-generational study because this is a multi-generational problem.[6:43] The people who've been vaccinated now who go on to have children and their children, we don't know what this is going to do to them. So we are studying the health outcomes and that is the really, really important long-term aspect of what we're doing. It's behind everything. It's health sovereignty really. It's you being able to know what's going to happen and having the choice.I won't say about what the next stage is, but I'll let you talk about the other aspect of the community.
(R) So we realised quite quickly actually when people started joining, because originally we didn't even market it or really share it that much, it just spread by word of mouth and people just started joining from everywhere really. It's incredible.And by the time we knew it, we had different groups of people in different countries.And so that's when we started up our Telegram groups. We thought we needed somewhere that people could come and chat and ask us questions as well. Because in the beginning, we were really, really asked a lot of questions, you know, who are you that are taking our data? We were really mistrusted in the beginning. They thought we were a government scheme.
 
(D) We're not.[7:47] Could have been part of the Nudge Unit number 10 or something. Who knows?[7:51] (R) People still get, we still get that though, from people that haven't heard about us. And that's fair enough, you know, we're happy people are questioning everything. But back to the telegram, so we started off with a few telegram groups and they just grew and grew and we realized we needed different language groups, different speciality groups, we needed like parents, university students, NHS workers at one point, that was you know a really cool group at one point and so we just expanded from there and we wanted to give back to those people that are constantly giving, us their data every month because what they're doing is really, really invaluable for everybody for the future. We wanted to give them support back and then we started to set up Zooms as well so that they originally started as Q&A Zooms so that we could just answer to everybody who we were and what we were doing and why and just so they could get a feel for us and meet us and ask us any questions. And they turned into a sharing and caring Zoom. That's what we call them now. So people from all over the world join. We've got a bunch of regular people who we've really made friends with over the years and they tell us what's happening in their own countries. We hear what's going on on the ground and we've formed a really good friendship group from that and we support people that are lonely.And yes, but just growing really lovely community really. So that's the second part. Yeah and...[9:12] No, no, go for it.
 
(D) The third part, which is, it's kind of turned into a monster of itself, is the cards. So our, idea initially when we very first started this was that we knew that people who haven't been vaccinated traditionally keep that quiet, but this was something much bigger than that. This was, you know, for the COVID vaccine, we felt that everyone should stand up and say, look, I haven't been vaccinated against it. I've got good reasons. Whatever those reasons are, they're my reasons, they're good reasons. We need to stand up, be proud of that because it's our choice and show other people that they don't need to hide as well. So we came up with the idea of these cards, which are sort of, you know, it's to be visible. That's the main reason. But the other reason was that we know, both being moms, we've each got three children, that kids can be coerced into vaccinations in schools, especially with things like the HPV. And in fact, my daughter didn't have it. And, you know, we had very sort of strict words about, you know, when they try and talk you into it, you know. So we decided that we needed to help them in some way. And that was to put on the card.[10:20] 'Must not be vaccinated'. And the idea is that this can act as a shield. So if someone's trying to coerce you, it was mainly for the children, but obviously any adult can use it too. They can say, look, you know, I've got this, I can't be vaccinated for this, I, you know, I'm not supposed to have it.No one's going to go against that. You know, it just gives them that extra bit of security.Adults have been using it too, though. It's been absolutely amazing. People have used it in all sorts of situations, but also they've used it in situations where the vaccine's been mandatory.So health workers have used it to keep their jobs in all sorts of countries, not just the UK, but countries like Australia, which is crazy. People have used to get into hospitals to see, their loved ones when they haven't been allowed into hospital. People have used it to get into other countries where vaccines are mandated. Even now, people are still using it to get into, the United States. It isn't an exemption of any sort. It is simply a card that helps you be visible in your right to not take this particular vaccine. But it just gives you confidence and power in your own rights, that's, you know, that's, it's not accepted by governments at all.[11:30] Or anyone. It's not, you know, we were very careful to make sure it didn't try and look like any kind of vaccine pass because we didn't want it to be a fake pass. You know, people said, or you're making a fake pass. No, it's not trying to be, it's not looking like one. It is simply what it is. And that's a card of membership for our cooperative that says you are unvaccinated, but also it's a little shield that you can use to say, look, this is, you know, don't come near me me with that needle.[11:56] One of the things I love about it is, and I pick up on some of those individual things, but thatmany people complain. People are good at sitting around and being frustrated and venting that frustration with friends and family and it's kind of round that table in the pub and going there for an hour and unloading everything that's happening.But there are very few people who actually think, well, this is a problem, but maybe we can do something about it.You're obviously individuals who've decided this is the problem, we could bitch and moan about it, but actually we could try and find a solution.It probably would have been easier just to sit and moan about it.What kind of spurred you into, we need to come up with something that fixes the issue that lies in front of us?[12:45] (R) That's an easy one and I think lots of people relate, but it's our children.Diny said we've got three children each and we saw their future being destroyed and them, not being allowed access to what they would want to do in the future, being unvaccinated, you know, not being able to travel, not being able to do the college courses they wanted potentially.So we felt really strongly that we need to do something in order to fix their future.So yeah,
 
(D) we weren't having it. We were just like, no, we're not having it. This is our kid's future and everyone else's kids, they're not going to screw it up for them. So we decided to fix it or try.
None of us have ever expected to be in this situation. So you try solutions and there's some work, some don't. But I remember talking to a friend and he had written, he had got a solicitor to write a letter to the school telling them what would happen and he would go for every single teacher who is involved in forcing that. He maybe had the finances to do that. But what you're provided is a way that everyone can do it. They don't need to have access to legal, which is costly, but simply by getting this, it is a way.
And I'd encourage and tell us about this, how people can actually give it, it's free.[13:59] But I would encourage everyone to actually sign up and it's what, 5, 10 pounds, a quarter ?Tell us about that because everything costs money to happen.And I, as not part of the scheme, can encourage all our viewers and listeners to make sure and pay for it because nothing comes for free. Tell us about that side.[14:19] (R) Do you want to say that, ?
(D) Yeah, okay. So when you join the vaccine control group.[14:26] The vaccinecontrolgroup.com, you don't have to pay at all to start with. Anyone can join for free, put in your data. I mean, you know, we're asking for your data. So it's a bit weird that you would actually have to pay for it. That is an unusual concept to have to pay to be in a study. So, everyone can be free if they want to be in the majority of people are, they don't pay to to participate. However, we are a cooperative, and we've got a cooperative model in that those people who want to fund us who want to help keep this going for, you know, we're expecting 30 years. And it does cost a lot. It's, we've got a team now, it's not cheap to do. Our idea for a funding model was that they would become members at it's £24 a year, that's £6 a quarter.So that's less than a cup of coffee taken out once a month. Our aim is to keep it as accessible as possible.We just need to keep this going. We're not looking to make loads of money out of it.We simply need to keep the thing going. That's all it's about.So yeah, it's six pounds a quarter.People can cancel any time they want. Those people who become associates of the control group, they get sent the plastic printed card.Everyone who is a free participant gets a digital version of it, which does exactly the same thing.So the benefit is that you are simply helping to fund this really, really important study going onwards.
(R) And allow it to remain independent.
(D) Well, yeah, that is the main important thing about it. Yeah.[15:53] That we're completely independent, because if we were to ask for funding from anyone else, and people have said, well, why don't you go to universities, ask for the funding?We have heard all the stories about who funds them. We don't want that.So we're not getting funding from anywhere other than our participants.And that's, you know, we're really, reallystrict on that.
 
If it came out that Pfizer were sponsoring that wouldn't be very good.[16:17] (D) That'd be awkward.
 
(R) Definitely not.[16:21] Tell us about the cards when people sign up and they pay the £6 a quarter, they get the cards.That must and probably remains a mammoth endeavour to get those cards out. I remember sitting and looking at the telegram groups and some people saying, I got my card in a week and others saying I'm in Australia and I'm so waiting on mine.
 
That's a huge process to get those out worldwide.
 
(R) Yeah it's taken us a long time to learn all this. Obviously we started off with no knowledge whatsoever of what we were doing and we bought our first few card machines and we got the printing right and everything but yeah we ended up getting a franking machine for the postage a couple of months in just because we were the post offices were literally saying no we're we're not doing it anymore because we would turn up with so much post and they just refused to do it and we were we were spreading it around different towns and different post offices just so that we could get them sent but we ended up having to do that ourselves so yeah it's been a massive learning curve and then we've had you know people get in touch saying I want a card in my language I want it in my language so we always went back to them and said well if you can provide a translation for us then we'll be happy to create that so we've now got.[17:29] I can't remember how many now 15 or 16 yeah something like that and we're building them still. So, so yeah, that was that was fun learning how but we had our kids working with us in the beginning, we had six card printers in one room at one point when we moved out of Diny's spare room, got a little office room and we had all the teenagers printing them for us and posting them.
(D) So they loved it. They really enjoyed it. We paying them a little bit for it. And they thought it was absolutely wonderful.[17:56] Yeah, wasn't it because when you start something you want success, but you don't know what success will look like. And then when something does pick up, you think, it was easier before.What was that when it started to really take off? And you said you didn't publicize it, but it was just spread because everyone was trying to find a solution to this.And suddenly you get the orders in.[18:18] What was that like? As you said, wow, this this is really impacting a lot of people.[18:24] (R) Yeah, it was it was the success stories that really did it for us.And I remember just reading some of them in the beginning. I was managing the telegram groups in the beginning.We've got a lovely lady doing that for us now. But yeah, we actually created a telegram group specifically for those stories.And they're just amazing. You know, just heartfelt stories of people that could go and visit their dying relative when they weren't allowed before.And that, you know, every time we heard one of those, it just kept you going.
(D) Yeah, but we could actually make a difference to people's lives in other countries.It's just, it's mental.
(R) Yeah, we didn't expect that.
And did you expect other initiatives to happen in other countries because in theory you'd set up something and think well we'll provide for the UK and people who need it and then suddenly requests come from all over.I assume you were not expecting a worldwide demand.[19:17] (D) We wanted it because we realized that the only way that we could actually show what was definitely happening to those people who haven't taken the vaccine was to show it all over the world in, different geographical locations, in different socioeconomic locations. And if that same thing, that same outcome was happening in Alaska, in France, in Italy, in Africa, then you've got a trend because one of the limitations with the study is that it is anecdotal, it's self-reported. And we know that.So we've talked to an awful lot of people. We've had amazing people giving us brilliant advice, people with doctorates and health professionals.And we were told that we need to get quantities of data, ideally over a million people, so that we've got large amounts in all those different areas that show that there's a trend of, we're either all doing really well or we're all dropping dead.Either way, we've got to show a trend and we need people to do that.[20:11] Tell us how the control group, because I think people initially come into this thinking, I want to kind of pass out of jail.I want a card out of jail. I don't want to get out of this.And then you realize actually there's much more to it than simply having that card behind that, which in effect is the purpose of the group, is a vaccine control group where people, enter their information each month.About that kind of the information people give and then the I guess the difficulty of actually keeping that data, bringing it together and then having it so you can use it to report later on.[20:51] (R) Yeah, so I'll explain a little bit about what we ask. So first of all, we ask for baseline health conditions, for example.So when somebody signs up, it's, you know, what medical conditions might you already suffer with so that we can see kind of what their baseline health is.And then every month we ask them a short questionnaire. And when we first put that in, it's all being re-changed now.Now so we'll explain about what it's changing too but we ask have they had COVID, the severity of the illness, were they hospitalized, what medications they take, what supplements they take, if they test, if they wear masks, for how long, any discrimination. We ask people to report if they've been discriminated or you know sacked from their employment for example because of their vaccine status. Have I missed anything?[21:39] (D) Just trying to think, no.
 
(R) It's hard because we're just redoing everything so that's like old stuff to remember. But that's kind of what we asked for in the beginning and we have had some people have a look at the data so far. So early on we had Dr Rob Verkirk of ANH, he came in and had a look at the data and he actually wrote a paper that got published. When was that published?[22:03] (D) Oh goodness me. Anyway, it was published. It was published. It's on our website.
We will put the link in the description. It's a good thing about doing pre-record. We will put that link in the description. So, send it to me and it will be there.
(R) Thank you. So, basically, he came and had a look at all the data and compiled it into a paper and he uploaded it to ResearchGate, which is like an open...Oh, can't even... ...Episodes? No, I've forgotten what the word's called now.[22:36] (D) Preprint?
 
(R) yeah that's it, a pre-print server and they're quite easy to upload on a pre-print server really because it's not you know a journal or a peer-reviewed journal for example, but it actually got taken down which we weren't expecting so they literally removed it and I can't even remember the reason.
 
(D) I think it was the Daily Mail put an article about it and that, kicked off, it was literally as soon as the article came out that it then came out again so
 
(R) Yeah, but the paper showed basically that the unvaccinated were doing quite well. So we had, quite low rates of hospitalization if people were suffering with COVID. It showed that all over the world people are really taking care of their health. So I think it was something like 70% were taking vitamins and supplements regularly to try and keep well. We also found out that, quite a high percentage of our database have had vaccinations in the past. So that really kind of screwed up their
 
 
 
(D) anti-vaxxer thing, not the anti-vaxxers they're looking for.
[23:42] I find actually that the government have made me, anti-vaxxer is the one who turned that up because I had no issue all the way up to now and it's only at this point that the government need to look at themselves for why there is any pushback because it's their fault.So thank you Matt Hancock for making me now be suspicious of anything coming from the Department of Health. I guess that's the same for you and I guess that's a story you're finding throughout.
(D) Yeah, we did actually ask, would you be willing to take vaccines in the future?I forget exactly what specific ones we asked about, but there was quite a high proportion.I think it's like 50% of people said they'd be much more cautious and probably say no to any kind of vaccine in the future.
 
(R) Even travel vaccines and such.
(D) Yeah, so they've actually made anti-vaxxers through this.
Tell us what has been the journey for you two in connections, in meeting people, and because this has, I guess, spawned a whole new community, a whole new group of connections and friendships and networks that didn't really exist. And I find sitting interviewing people and I thought, I wouldn't even have given that person the time of day, but now we find that there's something that unites us and you focus on that.So what has it been like for the two of you?[25:09] (D) Been crazy actually. I mean, at the very beginning of this journey, we had an awful lot of, who the hell are you? What are you doing? You know, you blue-haired freak have had quite a lot of scammers and grifters and oh my goodness. Yeah, which is, I mean, one of the reasons why we are on every single Zoom call so that people can ask us questions. And the first load, there were people[25:30] asking us questions. But we did have a lot of doctors talking to us secretly, which was quite funny. So doctors and scientists, they talked to us, but we weren't allowed to tell anyone they were talking to us. And so we came home to say to people, look, you know, there are lots of doctors that actually like what we're doing, support what we're doing, but we can't tell you who they are, and they're not going to say anything about it. And so we've had this really weird relationship with people. And, you know, obviously, we've had our participants, and they've been absolutely wonderful and incredibly supportive. But I think it's this last sort of six months, all of a sudden, people have realized that we're not grifters, scammers, we are truly actually doing this.I think there was also the worry that we were going to fail, that we were just a couple of idiot mums who were having a go at something we know nothing about, which we didn't. But we have learned so, so much. It's incredible because we have spent hours talking to doctors, scientists, researchers. We are learning everything we possibly can to make sure we do this incredibly well.
And suddenly people have realised that and realised that we are serious. We're not just faffing around doing something for our kids, we're going to fix this for our kids and we're going to do it the best way we know how. And so people suddenly, I don't know.[26:44] If they respect what, I think they respect what we're doing, maybe not us, but they respect what we're doing now and they understand that we are doing this properly. So from the medical perspective, we've been to a lot of events now and people have welcomed us and they're, talking to us and they're actually outwardly saying that they're supporting us now as well, which is lovely, which gives our participants a lot more faith in what we're doing too. So, It's been interesting.[27:09] Scary, because this is, I mean, I'm a science fiction writer, you know. I'm not used to dealing with PhD scientists. You know, it's, yeah, Rachael's a lot more medical and it's easier for you.
(R) But we haven't let any of it change us, have we? And that, you know, it's just brilliant.We're just us and we're just who we are. And I think that's why people relate to us as, well, because we're not trying to be anything we're not. We always say we come from nothing really and we're just a couple of mums but we've managed to do what we've done.
(D) And we admit when we don't know what we're doing but we always go and find out from someone who does know what they're doing. We get advice.
 
(R) Or we learn or we do live blood analysis courses.[27:51] So we know what's going on.
 
Well yeah you could write a whole science fiction novel in the last three years but that's a good material anyway for that next one.
 
(R) I think she wrote it before this.
(D) Well, I kind of wrote what I wrote was actually leading up to the world turning into this. So yeah.[28:12] Tell us about the data because I had actually, yeah, our next interview, actually just before this is Amy Kelly from Daily, DailyClout. And they've obviously published, that massive publication with 50 case studies of all different areas. And you look to that and you realize that what the data you're collecting isn't available. No one has certainly known in the echelons of society, known in the medical profession, known in the tech companies have thought of pulling together this data. And there are only a few countries actually that have, I mean, UK and Israel, seemingly that data is thrown up all the time, because other countries aren't collecting it. So what you're doing will be absolutely essential with that data.So tell us more about that because that is going to be extremely important going forward.[29:09] (D) Yeah, it's absolutely essential. And that's why after having our data analysed, initially, we realized there were lots of gaps, lots of things we could have asked better because we didn't know, you know, we did the best we could. But actually, you know, a year and a half down the line, we know[29:26] where this is going, the landscapes change too. So we're in the middle of and almost about to, relaunch a much more extensive questionnaire with much, much deeper questions.
(R) Yeah, when we started we had no idea what kind of adverse events we were even going to see at all. We could guess, but we didn't have a clue when we wrote our questions. So we've really dug down into what we need to look at now and we're going to have a massive section on pregnancy and fertility going forwards as well as heart issues. We came from, I think, the top headings of medical conditions such as heart, blood, lung conditions and now we've we've dug right down, we've got over a thousand different conditions people can select going, forward so we'll really be able to look at the data more clearly.And part of the relaunch going forward, the database developer is building some kind of warehouse that people can, data analysts can basically plug into.So we really want the data to be more available to everybody and we've only managed to get one paper written so far going backwards just because we're a small team and it's a lot of work. And we want to be able to push out data way more easily and readily. And another aspect of it is there's never, you know, there's never the data, the raw data.[30:42] So, you know, when you read something or look at a publication, for example, you can never really dig down to the raw data that they were looking at when they were analysing.And we want to make it as available as possible. So analysts in the future will be able to just plug in, we'll obviously make sure that they're trusted and they're doing it for good reason and they'll be able to plug in and analyse and put out way more publications going forward and they'll be able to spot trends in the data, look at certain aspects of the data.[31:12] Which is what's happening to pregnant women, for example. And I forgot to mention one of the most important things. And the most?We're not, well, yeah, it's all anonymized, definitely. But we're inviting those that have taken COVID vaccines in.So when we relaunch, we're officially inviting those that have had any number of any different COVID vaccine into the study so that we've got our own comparative cohort.And so again, we can support them that have been injured or regretful and you know, realized they've been lied to. So that's the huge change that, we're going to now.
(D) And even possibly the people that are happy to continue them, we're hoping that they'll want to say, well, prove me wrong and also provide their data.[31:56] I think that's essential people who have taken it because if, I mean, one of the demos was at, 10 days ago was for the vaccine injured and there were eight different people speaking about the devastating effect it has had on their health and their family and their lives.[32:12] One, that story is not really told. But two, it's vital that they can begin to put in their information to this because you will at least be willing to listen to them and allow them to put in that raw data and assess it where no one else is giving them the time of day. So I think it's, really quite essential and important as you're growing to add that facility on.[32:36] (R) Yeah, and as well as that important data, the community needs to expand and grow as well.And we've had vaccine injured people come and join our sharing and caring zooms with our regular participants. And it's just been absolutely amazing seeing how the understanding is growing and they're listening to each other. and we just want to bring people back together again and unite people.[32:58] Yeah it is.
 
So the best way, I want to touch on where we're going with it, but the best way for people to follow you on the website will have links to the Telegram groups and people can join those Zoom sessions can they?
 
(R) Yes they're open to absolutely everyone. On the community part of the website there's a menu on the left that says Zooms. Anyone can come and chat to us, we do them twice a week, we're always there.Yeah, different time zones.Yeah, different times a day. Yeah. And we also do community events as well. So we invite people on with, normally, it's normally to do with health and wellbeing, but it can be any interesting topic really, so that we can learn from people and they're open to everybody as well. So you can sign up to come along to one of those and ask the speaker questions.[33:48] Okay. Can I ask, looking forward, because people, I actually did think at one point, well, maybe it's all going to go away and we'll all be left alone. I don't think that will ever happen. So tell us what, because you put this together because you were faced with an issue, we were all faced with an issue. We're now told that's gone away. So you can now, certainly regarding travel and movement and possibly employment that's beginning to change. Where, does that leave you and what you're doing with the vaccine group?[34:27] (D) Still really important because people have been vaccinated and we don't know without studying what the outcomes are going to be for those people and their children long term. So that.[34:39] You know, you can't take the vaccine out of people, at least not that we know of yet.So that's going to be there for generations to come. So that hasn't gone away.And actually in the UK, things seem quite easy. In other countries, it really hasn't gone away.It's, you speak to people and it's still quite horrendous. And with what we're doing, the way we've designed it is that, yes, we're studying the COVID vaccine or the effects at the moment, but you don't know what else is going to come along.And actually, because we are a control group, we could effectively be a control group for anything that comes along.So while people are entering all of their health data, if suddenly people start to take the M-Pox vaccine, for example, well, if we've got loads of people who have and loads of people who haven't, and we've got people who are willing to study our information, our data, our anonymized data, fully anonymized.[35:29] Then there's nothing to stop us being a control group for everything else that they might want to throw at us, for the next big pandemic that Bill Gates has promised us.
It's round the corner, being dropped on us from a balloon somewhere near you.
(D)Yeah. You know, you just don't know what's going to happen.
(R) and we're pretty flexible. You know, we've been flexible since the beginning.We literally change our plans every week, depending on what we hear on our Zooms, whatever the landscape is, whatever people need. You know, we really think about that and take that, into consideration. And that's one of the main things that we get from the Zooms as well as, you know, making friends and supporting people. It's what do people need?Yeah. And we go with it, don't we? Yeah.
 
(D) And also all of the systems, the database, it's not an off the shelf system. It's been written from scratch, every bit of it. So we've got, we started off with just my husband writing everything day and night.[36:22] He's still doing it, but we've got a small team around him also doing that now. And so because it's, it's everything is designed specifically for this and for what we're doing and for what we want to do going forward.We can adjust it and alter it to be whatever it needs to be going on, just so that we can show what we need to show.That's the truth.
And I think therefore it's essential that there may be people watching who have been part of it, who have paid that six pounds a quarter, which everyone should be doing if they're part of it, and they may be thinking, you know, it's probably run its course and maybe I should just cancel.But certainly from my point of view, my viewpoint, it's essential.As you said, it's in effect, it's a blank slate that can be used for whatever is coming.And that means that it is vital for people to continue to support it by inputting data, but also with that financial support.[37:20] (D) Yes, yeah, absolutely. I mean, we understand it's hard times for everyone, which is why we've made it as cheap as possible.And also, you know, there's the free option and most people do go for that.We don't feel that we're asking too much by hoping that some people will feel that it's worth paying for because this could show, that the unvaccinated are doing brilliantly or it could show that actually we're all dying.But if that's the case, we want to know, we need to know whichever way it goes and we will show whichever way it goes.We need to know that information for us and for our kids. If it looks like the children who have been vaccinated they're not able to have children. They need to know that but they're not going to know that until those children have grown up another 10 years or 15 or however long it takes, you know, to find that out if this study stops.[38:10] You know, because we can't afford to fund it, then you're not going to find that information out, because no one else is doing it.
 
And to repeat how important it is, I only learned with my, interview with Amy Kelly that one of the studies they did was that Pfizer had started a control group for those who weren't Vax, so placebo group, and those who were getting the Vax.And that was going to run for, I think, two to three years.Then after four months, they just jabbed everyone. It defeats the whole.And when you hear stories like that, you realize that everything we thought was true about how these companies operate, actually threw that in the bin and it's purely about a rush to market.And therefore the data you have is essential because it's possibly unique and these companies don't have it.[39:03] (R) Yeah, exactly. And one thing we've learned just from doing this, which I didn't have a clue before, being a nurse even, that a lot of the studies that they do aren't even given a placebo anyway. They're giving a different treatment.They don't give them saline. They give them a different vaccine, for example.So there's never really a true control group. So what we're doing is unique.And we're completely independent. We're not biased at all. We're not funded by anyone.So this is the future for science. That's how we see it.It's a future where people can fund a truly independent thing, put their data in, and then we can find out what's going on in regard to anything, any treatment.[39:42] (D) And the users have a vested interest in it because they're part of it.They're the ones who are funding it. And because we're a cooperative, those who are associates, they're the people that we listen to for what we need to do.They're the ones who steer us.[39:57] Have you been surprised at the lack of vocal support for those who have chosen not to have this?Because I mean, for me politically, kind of on the right, I've been quite shocked at the, voices have only been on, well, people should kind of have freedoms, but really we need to jab them anyway.And all those freedoms you kind of think on the right, actually that collapsed.And as I found politically on the left you had a lot of calls for restrictions, for freedoms for individuals that traditionally, so the whole thing has got messed up and mixed up which has been great fun to watch.But for you, have you been surprised and expected, I guess, high profile figures to have stood up and spoken out and they've just remained silent?[40:49] (D)Yeah, I think we've been disappointed.
 
(R) Yeah, and we've actually spoken to some people and Diny's quite strict with them sometimes, you know, high profile people with big influences and she's like, you know, you know the truth, you know the right thing to do, now get out there and say it and you're quite good at doing it.
(D) I get quite arsey with them.
 
(R) Yeah, a bit disappointed with the lack, yeah, definitely
(D) But I can understand it as well because people are genuinely terrified.People are actually frightened that people who haven't taken the vaccine are going to infect them and kill them. They genuinely believe that because the media has done such[41:24] A good Psi-op on them. They genuinely are frightened for their lives. And so they see people like us as, well, I don't know what they see it as, but you know, we are potential killers for them, which is it's just bizarre. I meanI vaccinated my children up to a point and then I started to realize what was going on. And so[41:45] I stopped vaccinating them. They've had a couple of the MMR separately, but not all of them. So I've been awake to this for quite a while. And I know that you've got to keep quiet about it. You don't say to people, my kid hasn't had the HPV and they haven't had all the MMRs. You just don't say that because people automatically have been trained to be frightened of you. So I wasn't surprised of the reaction, but I'm angry at a lot of the high profile celebrities who have woken up and just don't want to lose their income through this. Because people like us, we've all given up, everything we were doing. Yes, we're actually working full time for this now. So we do take an income from it, just to be clear on that. We didn't initially because we were volunteers and everyone was volunteering, but you know this is full time, we have to live. But you know, initially we'd all had to step away from careers like everyone else had because we just couldn't carry on working because of, well Rachael chose to leave it. I lost most of my work because of everything and loads of people have lost so much through all of this.
(R) And that comes back to that and that's you know about thousands of people all around the world standing up and being part of a group and being proud of the fact that they're unvaccinated.
(D) And being honest about the fact that they're not being vaccinated.[43:12] Because I always give people a benefit of the doubt and now I'm just pissed off at people because we've all got something to lose. We're all in difficult situations. Most of us don't have a big pile of money that we can fall back on.We do live extremely tightly. And for people to say, yeah, but you know, they're a movie star or star, they would lose a contract.Well, what about us in our small flats, whatever, living that are struggling day to day with the kids, school runs and all that? We have something to lose as well.I think our media and society make it that if you're famous you've got a lot to lose but if you're the little guy you've got nothing to lose but often it can be the other way round.[43:56] (D) Yeah, absolutely and a lot of the celebrities have also taken, well we've been told that they've had the fake passports which also doesn't help the situation.Situation. Yes, I can understand that you don't want to give up this thing that you've worked incredibly hard for. But at the end of the day, this isn't like anything that's ever happened before.
(R) And it's not only what you're going to lose now, it's looking to the future. If they realise what we're heading into, none of us can have anything.
(D) Yeah, and they don't want to look into the future. People just don't want to see, you know, this is this is now it's going to go away.It's fine.I can understand it. I don't like it, but I can understand it.
Closing your eyes doesn't make you away. Can we finish just last point looking, you talked about having children, I've got two kids as well, two boys. And it's interesting conversations that as a parent you have with children, especially trying to protect them from the indoctrination, they have around what's happened the last three years.[44:59] But I think by getting the card, it's a great conversation topic with your children and then you talk to them about why this is needed and make sure they're prepared because my, worry, many parents worry, is that the parent tells the school it does not want this, but, the school thinks it knows best.And hey, the parent will thank them anyway so they just do whatever to the child.And that's why I think it's vital to train your children, to educate them and to prep them so they know how to respond, how to argue.So it's not just us as parents arguing for them, but actually put in them.And I think that part of the advice control group allows you to, I guess, teach them this so they can carry that forward.
(D) Yeah, absolutely. And on the other side of it, you can actually use the card, for example, to say, look, we're actually doing something good for society. We're not doing nothing. We're not sort of not taking this and not helping the situation. We're actually, contributing. Yeah, contributing our data so we can, you know, see which way it's going. So they are actually doing something. It's not doing nothing.
(R) Yeah, in terms of our children, they're both they're all home educated.
(D) Yeah, so Well, mine have dipped into school and out actually during the pandemic.
(R) Yeah, I literally dragged mine out of school and I quit my job.[46:20] So, yeah, they haven't been back since, bless them. But we've got a lovely community around us and we've been, you know, muddling in and helping and teaching them between us all sorts of skills.Yeah, I think mine thought probably I'd gone a bit crazy at the beginning because I'd completely flipped around what I was saying at home.[46:39] And I actually took my eldest daughter to one of the first protests that was happening in London.And it was then that she burst into tears when we got there and saw the enormity of it.And that's when she realized that what I was saying was right.But you do have to be careful with children and protect them.You know, you can't tell them, you know, you don't want to scare them, do you, with what's happening?
(D) No. But then on the flip side, they're being scared to death by what they're seeing in the media.But yeah, but actually, my eldest was at university during lockdown.And oh my goodness me, she was in one of the universities facing the one that had the fences being pulled down, well fences put up and then pulled down.And she actually had one of her friends commit suicide during it because of all of this.So the whole landscape's changed for the kids and they can either be terrified of COVID and whatever comes next, or they can be terrified of what's going on around them, but supported by people looking to a positive future of trying to do things to make things better.So we're, although, you know, it's, it's scary telling them all about this. And we do, you know, to different degrees, because they're all different ages, but they can see that we're doing something about it. And actually we're having a lot of fun doing it. It's, It's hard work what we're doing. It's sometimes heart-breaking, but we do make the most of having a laugh a lot.[48:05] Yeah. We have a lot of fun.
 
With what we faced, you need to laugh. I know when we do our news reviews on Saturdays, we try and look at something which is funny at the end because it could become very depressing and demoralizing and you need to use humour too. And that's why the event, Derby, was great, in comedy to just laugh at everything and stop yourself getting too depressed.
(D) Yes, definitely.
It's been wonderful talking to you and I know our viewers will go and make use of the website.Rachael and Diny, thank you for your time today.
(R&D) Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you.